From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 27 20:47:57 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA23717 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 20:47:57 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA23691 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 20:47:47 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA09748; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 11:47:30 +0800 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 11:47:30 +0800 From: Brian Tao Message-Id: <199508280347.LAA09748@aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: New Secure HTTP Server Software for BSD/OS et al. Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc In-Reply-To: <41qtqi$m84@sierra.onr.com> Organization: Institute of Biomedical Sciences, Academia Sinica Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Didn't know where best to send this, so I'll stick in chat to reduce the clutter in other lists. These folks have binaries for BSD/OS, so I imagine it would not be too difficult to produce a FreeBSD one as well. We should pepper them with requests (I'm mailing in my form right now). In article <41qtqi$m84@sierra.onr.com> you write: > >Onramp Access, Inc. of Austin, TX is close to completing an >agreement with a local software company that has developed >high-performance server software for secure publishing and >communications on the Internet and other TCP/IP-based networks. >The servers are fully interoperable with WWW clients such as >the Netscape Navigator. The servers are SSL compatible using >RSA based security and will be available on the following >operating systems for the first release: > >Sun OS 4.1.3, BSD/OS, Linux, Windows NT, and SPARC Solaris 2.3. > >Onramp Access is doing a quick market study and would like to >get potential customer feedback to the following questions. If you >have an interest in a product like this your feedback would be >most appreciated. > >Are you interested in such a product? >(Yes / No) > >What operating system do you require for this product? >(List the most important ONE only) > >How soon will you want to purchase such a system? >(Now, 1 month, 3 months, 6 months, more than 6 months) > >How will you want to pay for the product? >(Visa, MC, AMEX, Check, COD) > >If the product were available today, would you order it if the >cost was reasonable? >(Yes / No) > >Up to what price would you pay for such a product? >($3,995, $4,495, $4,995, $5,995) > >Maintenance fees are expected to be $995/yr.- > >Is telephone support imperative or would an Internet based Email >and FAQ support system be sufficient? >(Yes / No) > >Please forward all responses to chad@onr.com > > >=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+==+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ >Chad Kissinger High Speed SLIP/PPP chad@onr.com >President Access 512-322-9200 >Onramp Access, Inc.(tm) in Austin, TX http://www.onr.com >Publishers of THE AUSTIN INTERNET YELLOW PAGES(tm) at http://www.yp.com > -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 27 22:33:26 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id WAA02054 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 22:33:26 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA02046 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 22:33:17 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA10285; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:31:39 +0800 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:31:39 +0800 From: Brian Tao Message-Id: <199508280531.NAA10285@aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw> To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com Subject: Re: INN 1.4unoff2 ready for alpha testing Newsgroups: news.software.nntp In-Reply-To: <41id66$jel@brasil.moneng.mei.com> References: <3ujug1$l3f@dodgson.math.psu.edu> <40603a$4km@panix3.panix.com> <418ev0$qn1@eden.adam.com.au> <8768jobn8l.fsf@interbev.mindspring.com> Organization: Institute of Biomedical Sciences, Academia Sinica Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In article <41id66$jel@brasil.moneng.mei.com> you write: > >I am running 23179 groups on a 5GB spool + .6GB NOV database quite reliably >(one "crash" in the last two months and it was probably due to outside >factors, which reset the system). The system is a 486DX/33 with 32MB of >RAM, running FreeBSD 2.0.5R. It is tight on memory, taking about 7 hours to >complete news.daily. No readers though, right? >I have just started running 23207 groups on an 8GB spool + 2GB NOV database >on a Pentium 100 system with 64MB RAM, running a slightly later version of >FreeBSD (had to pick up a device driver for the customer's twin channel SCSI >controller, sweet boards). This system is spec'd to handle 50 simultaneous >active nnrp clients and eight nntplinks without huffing and puffing. >Reliably. Okay, cough it up, Joe. What's your secret? :) We've got a P90 with 128 megs of RAM, spool and overviews for 16000 groups split across three spindles on a Bt-946C controller, running BSD/OS 2.0 with 8 nntplink feeds and peaking around 150 simultaneous in.nnrpd's. It's dying under that kind of load, our spool is chronically 36 hours behind and ps reports each in.nnrpd process takes up over 2 megs virtual and 1600K resident. I'm tempted to ditch the whole thing, buy an all-new Triton P100 system (the current one is Saturn-based, I think), drop a couple of NCR controllers in it and run FreeBSD instead. *sigh* -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 28 01:51:59 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id BAA13119 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 01:51:59 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA13107 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 01:51:45 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA28966 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:51:36 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA10926 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:51:35 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with UUCP id KAA11201 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:28:22 +0200 Received: by bonnie.tcd-dresden.de (8.6.8/8.6.6) id KAA26470; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:06:01 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:06:01 +0200 From: j@bonnie.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) Message-Id: <199508280806.KAA26470@bonnie.tcd-dresden.de> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux or FreeBSD Reply-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc In-Reply-To: <41l9eo$17h@park.uvsc.edu> References: <409iah$inf@galaxy.ucr.edu> <40alp5$psg@agate.berkeley.edu> <413bkc$3t2@kadath.zeitgeist.net> <1995Aug24.222509.28085@state.systems.sa.gov.au> <41ko58$rqh@hamilton.maths.tcd.ie> Organization: Private U**x site, Dresden. Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk For those who haven't seen it, finally a technically interesting comparision between the various free unix systems, by Terry: In article <41l9eo$17h@park.uvsc.edu> you write: >tim@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) wrote: >] I run Linux and FreeBSD, and I have never noticed the slightest difference. >] >] I read all these comments, "FreeBSD does this better", "Linux does that better", >] and I just wonder how many of the posters have actually tested their conclusions. >] >] In my view, the only serious difference is that Linux documentation is much better. >] I said this before, and was flamed for my impertinence. >] In fact, I only mentioned it to suggest that if FreeBSD is to flourish >] it ought to look to its documentation. >] >] Personally, I think there is room in the world for Linux and FreeBSD. > >Me too. > >However, I run both Linux and FreeBSD on a daily basis, and I have >to say that a single packet drop takes a lot longer to recover from >on Linux. I don't notice anything on BSD, but there appears to be >some problem with the TCP restart timers that I haven't bothered >to track down on Linux yet. > >Basically, the BSD box will still get packets through, whereas the >Linux box wil drop the rlogin connection. > >This mostly occurs when I'm starting up elm on a remote system >where I typically have a 2500 message mailbox. > >On a noisy net connection (Alternet), I use the Linux box as an X >terminal for the BSD box to go out, rather than going out directly >from the Linux box to work around the problem. > > >The BSD box seemed to get "hiccups" -- that is, the program startup >of an xterm from the linux box is not instantaneous. I thought >this was a problem with the fill algorithm on the BSD disk caching, >meaning it was waiting for a free block. Turns out that this is a >Linux problem with swapping the X window manager (twm) when the >box is busy. > > >BSD still negotiates linemode when telnetting to some Solaris >boxes. Bloody annoying -- so does Windows 95's Telnet, and so >does Linux, though. mostly it's a screwup caused by using "resize" >from OpenWin3 in your .cshrc. > > >I've done kernel developement in both BSD and Linux. For the most >part, the BSD kernel is an easier environment to develop in, but >the Linux environment has several plusses as well. The first plus >is the kernel module loading interface in Linux is much closer to >my original design for BSD, with the restricted exported symbol >list. I'm allowed to criticise BSD's method because I designed it >back before Novell bought USL as a stopgap for console developement. > >The second plus in the Linux kernel is also a minus. Linux copies >in path names from user space using a single routine; it does not >have a copyinstr. This is both bad and good. It's good because >some of the hacking I'm doing now could benefit greatly from having >just one point to change. BSD uses copyinstr to pull in pathnames, >pathnames used as data, pathnames used as hybridized data, strings >that are data, and pathnames explicitly pulled in for binary >compatability. This is also bad, since Linux can't support the >data usage or the binary compatability usage without a lot of >extra warts. Host names for NFS mounts using a kernel NFS client, >login names for setlogin/getlogin, module names for the kernel >module unload, and environment strings translated for binary >compatability all fall into the "wart" category on Linux. I've >sent several patches in through friends who are involved in the >Linux community to file system code. > >Other than that, BSD's kernel design is more orthogonal. The >binary compatability issues have been most elegantly solved by >NetBSD, though they too have their warts (they effectively use >variant symbolic links, but the special case the lookup code >to get hit twice with a relative path rather than implementing >real variant symbolic links or the logcal naming support needed >to make them really work). FreeBSD is the next most elegant, and >Linux is probably least elegant because of the aformentioned >binary compatability warts. > >Linux is suboptimal in the error case. In many instances, an >error will amplify and become a full blown problem. I've sent >several patches in through friends who are involved in the Linux >community... none are explicitly from me, but they *are* there. > >As far as distributions are concerned, well, FreeBSD is most >uniform, followed by Linux (though you have to pick the one you >get with care -- there are many Linux distributions, even if >there is only one true kernel), followed by NetBSD (they spend >their time porting, not packaging). With FreeBSD, the file >locations, and which files constitute a part of the distribution, >don't change as arbitrarily as they do in Linux. > > >The Linux move towards STREAMS (as bad as STREAMS is in many >peoples opinions) opens up the possibility of running more >commercial code. Like the NetWare for UNIX server. There is >occasional noise on the Samba list about writing a NetWare >server -- why hasn't this been done? Well, you are over 400 >NCP's which you have to support, none of which you can obtain >a description for without non-disclosure prohibiting you from >building a NetWare server. It's a near impossible task (even >the commercial NetWare clones, as in Windows NT and Puzzle systems. >don't correctly implement everything that's needed -- they need >a NetWare server on the wire and they need to use Novell's >utilities). So STREAMS is a plus for Linux, though it's long >term and shouldn't factor into a short term decision. > > >Documentation is an issue, but it's also a red herring. There is >a significant amount of printed literature that deals with BSD >and UNIX that is directly applicable to BSD. It's just not >necessarily labelled "BSD". The Linux documentation that exists >is rarely more useful than the printed materials not specific to >BSD when it comes to doing "interesting things". The main cry >in these cases (like writing device drivers) is that "the source >code is the documentation". > > >If you take a good, hard look under the sheets, there are massive >differences between FreeBSD and NetBSD, let alone either of them >and Linux. Unfortunately, all three are moving targets, so it's >not possible to provide a fair qualatative analysis without getting >flames to death by people who fix the problems you note in the >analysis between the time you note them and the time you post >about them (or worse: fix them between the first and second posting >and then flame you for the second posting. 8-)). > > > Terry Lambert > terry@cs.weber.edu >--- >Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present >or previous employers. > -- cheers, J"org private: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 28 05:05:23 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id FAA27758 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 05:05:23 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA27750 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 05:05:19 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA10835; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:04:05 +0800 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:04:04 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Joerg Wunsch cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: We need more FreeBSD goodies? In-Reply-To: <199508251732.TAA04268@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 25 Aug 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > > > Of course, I proudly wear my cute little Daemon T-shirt, > > Hey, where did'ya get _this_? Walnut Creek was giving them away at the booth at the Toronto Comdex this past summer. A friend of mine came back from the show with one, and I just *had* to get one of my own, so I went down the next day, picked up 2.0.5 and the T-shirt. Wearing it right now, as a matter of fact. :) -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 28 05:07:24 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id FAA27921 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 05:07:24 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA27913 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 05:07:10 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA10846; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:06:52 +0800 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:06:51 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Gary Palmer cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Here's what I'm thinking... In-Reply-To: <1939.809388801@palmer.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 25 Aug 1995, Gary Palmer wrote: > > No. What we need to do is to give a test on the FAQ's before we let > the installation complete... You can't install without having first > read and understood the FAQ & associated documentation :-) "Now, before we go on to installing FreeBSD 2.1 on your hard drive, you'll just have to answer a few more questions. First, how do you add a second drive ... " :) -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 28 08:54:02 1995 Return-Path: jmb Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA09933 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 08:54:02 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 08:54:02 -0700 From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199508281554.IAA09933@freefall.FreeBSD.org> To: freebsd-chat-outgoing sorry to bother you all but i am testing a change in the bulk_mailer ignore this message ;) From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 28 08:56:00 1995 Return-Path: jmb Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA10021 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 08:56:00 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 08:56:00 -0700 From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199508281556.IAA10021@freefall.FreeBSD.org> To: freebsd-chat-outgoing please ignore this test of bulk_mailer From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 28 08:56:29 1995 Return-Path: jmb Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA10082 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 08:56:29 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 08:56:29 -0700 From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199508281556.IAA10082@freefall.FreeBSD.org> To: freebsd-chat-outgoing please ignore this test of bulk_mailer From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 28 08:57:58 1995 Return-Path: jmb Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA10211 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 08:57:58 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 08:57:58 -0700 From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199508281557.IAA10211@freefall.FreeBSD.org> To: freebsd-chat-outgoing please ignore From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 28 09:08:27 1995 Return-Path: jmb Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA11387 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:08:27 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:08:27 -0700 From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199508281608.JAA11387@freefall.FreeBSD.org> To: freebsd-chat-outgoing more too ignore From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 28 09:18:07 1995 Return-Path: jmb Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA11955 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:18:07 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:18:07 -0700 From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199508281618.JAA11955@freefall.FreeBSD.org> To: freebsd-chat-outgoing ignore again From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 28 09:27:46 1995 Return-Path: jmb Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA12397 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:27:46 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:27:46 -0700 From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199508281627.JAA12397@freefall.FreeBSD.org> To: freebsd-chat-outgoing foobar From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 28 09:29:10 1995 Return-Path: jmb Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA12522 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:29:10 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:29:10 -0700 From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199508281629.JAA12522@freefall.FreeBSD.org> To: freebsd-chat-outgoing foobarbar From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 28 09:37:41 1995 Return-Path: jmb Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA12916 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:37:41 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:37:41 -0700 From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199508281637.JAA12916@freefall.FreeBSD.org> To: freebsd-chat-outgoing fie fie foo fum From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 28 09:45:41 1995 Return-Path: jmb Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA12968 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:45:41 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:45:41 -0700 From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199508281645.JAA12968@freefall.FreeBSD.org> To: freebsd-chat-outgoing last one i havope From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 31 11:13:53 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA15764 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 11:13:53 -0700 Received: from chrome.onramp.net (chrome.onramp.net [199.1.166.202]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA15758 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 11:13:52 -0700 Received: from localhost.jdl.com (localhost.jdl.com [127.0.0.1]) by chrome.onramp.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA03205; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 13:12:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199508311812.NAA03205@chrome.onramp.net> X-Authentication-Warning: chrome.onramp.net: Host localhost.jdl.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4GB Drives In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 31 Aug 1995 10:33:11 PDT." <199508311733.KAA12130@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Clarity-Index: null Threat-Level: none Software-Engineering-Dead-Seriousness: There's no excuse for unreadable code. Net-thought: If you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your Kill file. Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 13:12:57 -0500 From: Jon Loeliger Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [Way off topic spontaneously routed this to `chat'...] Apparently, "Rodney W. Grimes" scribbled: > None, I use stacks of 535MB drives for what ever capacity I need (easy > to do when you buy them in the 10 paks and use NCR controllers and have > unlimited space for them (I don't use cases, it's all on table tops :-)). You use tables? I just leave 'em dangle by the cable out the side of the machines. Three cats. Carpet too. :-) jdl From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 31 17:23:15 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id RAA02621 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 17:23:15 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA02606 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 17:23:06 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id CAA29822; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 02:22:49 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id CAA16150; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 02:22:49 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA28234; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 22:41:16 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199508312041.WAA28234@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: gencat bloat [Re: /usr/src/usr.bin/ee] To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 22:41:15 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: petri@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Reply-To: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9828.809875091@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Aug 31, 95 06:18:11 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 393 Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > 3. A lot of people do want natural language support. The whole world > does not speak english, as much as we americans would sometimes like > it to.. :-) You actually don't count as an American any more. :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 31 18:06:05 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA03982 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 18:06:05 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA03975 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 18:06:02 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA12797; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 18:03:51 -0700 To: chat@freebsd.org, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: petri@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Subject: Re: gencat bloat [Re: /usr/src/usr.bin/ee] In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 31 Aug 1995 22:41:15 +0200." <199508312041.WAA28234@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 18:03:50 -0700 Message-ID: <12795.809917430@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > 3. A lot of people do want natural language support. The whole world > > does not speak english, as much as we americans would sometimes like > > it to.. :-) > > You actually don't count as an American any more. :-) Na, echt? Ach, du Scheisse! Was mach' ich dann jetzt? :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 31 19:57:24 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA07278 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 19:57:24 -0700 Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [205.218.122.51]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA07272 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 19:57:22 -0700 Received: (from winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA09763; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 21:53:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 21:53:18 -0500 (CDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" X-Sender: winter@sasami To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: And now for something completely different.. In-Reply-To: <6769.809819254@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 30 Aug 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > ping www.micros0ft.com Wow, that was different. :) > How they ever got this one past the NIC, I just don't know! :-) Same way the rest of the .com domains are getting past. Internic is using an auto approver for all .com domains to reduce load. Hum... | Matthew N. Dodd | winter@jurai.net | "Don't go wasting your emotion, | | Technical Manager | mdodd@intersurf.net | lay all your love on me." - IS | | InterSurf Online - "Welcome to the net Sir, would you like a handbasket?" | From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 1 11:37:48 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA12963 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:37:48 -0700 Received: from shell.monmouth.com (shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.1]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA12957 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:37:47 -0700 Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA23792 for freebsd-chat@freefall.cdrom.com; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:40:26 -0400 From: Pechter Message-Id: <199509011840.OAA23792@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: Test/Release cycle. To: freebsd-chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:40:26 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Don's FList drop" at Sep 1, 95 01:20:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1089 Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, Stephen McKay wrote: > > > I for one am impressed with the dedication of the core team to this parallel > > development system. It requires a lot of extra work, and they aren't the > > ones that benefit. We are. > > Personally I think astonished or agog more describes my reaction. The > amount of work these people put into something free is nothing less than > amazing, and it's made my personal and work life more pleasant. If any of > the core team is ever passing through Miami, I've got a free beer with > your name on it. (Well, not yet, but I've got magic markers and can write > quick under pressure) > Agreed. I'm good for drinks in NJ... Core Team:Anyone coming to Unix Expo or the Trenton Computerfest let me know. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | The postmaster always pings twice. Lakewood MicroSystems | 17 Meredith Drive, 908-389-3592 | Tinton Falls, NJ 07724 pechter@shell.monmouth.com | From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 1 13:14:11 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA17205 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:14:11 -0700 Received: from chrome.onramp.net (chrome.onramp.net [199.1.166.202]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA17197 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:14:07 -0700 Received: from localhost.jdl.com (localhost.jdl.com [127.0.0.1]) by chrome.onramp.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA08986; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 15:13:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199509012013.PAA08986@chrome.onramp.net> X-Authentication-Warning: chrome.onramp.net: Host localhost.jdl.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Pechter cc: freebsd-chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Test/Release cycle. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 Sep 1995 14:40:26 EDT." <199509011840.OAA23792@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: jdl@chromatic.com Clarity-Index: null Threat-Level: none Software-Engineering-Dead-Seriousness: There's no excuse for unreadable code. Net-thought: If you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your Kill file. Date: Fri, 01 Sep 1995 15:13:13 -0500 From: Jon Loeliger Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Apparently, Pechter scribbled: > > Personally I think astonished or agog more describes my reaction. The > > amount of work these people put into something free is nothing less than > > amazing, and it's made my personal and work life more pleasant. If any of > > the core team is ever passing through Miami, I've got a free beer with > > your name on it. (Well, not yet, but I've got magic markers and can write > > quick under pressure) > > > Agreed. I'm good for drinks in NJ... OK, I'll cover Dallas :-) Speaking of which, I'm headed out to Mtn View next week. Anyone out there (core or lurker) wanna wear FreeBSD shirts and hit the Tied house? jdl From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 2 00:24:08 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id AAA29278 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 00:24:08 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA29260 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 00:23:56 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA26236; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 15:23:50 +0800 Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 15:23:49 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: Mailing list spam by Maher Katbah (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Looks like the problem's been taken care of now. :) As a side note, that gavron@aces.com sure is a snarky little bastard. Proceeded to lecture me about how I should be sending my complaints to postmaster@azstarnet.com (which I cc'd already) and not him because he works for azstarnet's NAP and is thus not responsible for their user's behaviour (fine). You'd think the guy never heard of just hitting the 'd' key or bouncing the mail to someone else. Sheesh. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 23:52:26 -0700 (MST) From: James Abolt To: Brian Tao Cc: gavron@ACES.COM, postmaster@AZSTARNET.COM Subject: Re: Mailing list spam by Maher Katbah Thank-you for the note. Due to several complaints and previous occurances, the individuals account has been disabled. James soon to be "NetCop@azstarnet.com" From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 2 16:42:17 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id QAA11486 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 16:42:17 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA11468 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 16:42:13 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id BAA20260 ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 01:42:10 +0200 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id BAA00932 ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 01:42:09 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.frmug.fr.net (8.7.Beta.11/keltia-uucp-2.4) id WAA06036; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 22:07:28 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199509022007.WAA06036@keltia.frmug.fr.net> Subject: Re: Microsoft runs BSD!!! To: sysseh@devetir.qld.gov.au (Stephen Hocking) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 22:07:28 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org Reply-To: roberto@Keltia.Freenix.FR (Ollivier Robert) In-Reply-To: <199508290724.HAA25088@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> from "Stephen Hocking" at Aug 29, 95 07:24:04 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1022 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME7a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Stephen Hocking said: > Over in the unixware groups, there was some mention that Microsoft's > web servers were running Unix (BSDI 2.0, to be precise). Telnet > www.microsoft.com.... Last time I checked, Microsoft's mail servers were running Xenix with an old version of sendmail (5.65 not even IDA...). IBM main machine (ibm.net) was probably running AIX on a PC-RT (it answer BSD 4.3 to telnet). -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia 2.2-CURRENT #16: Tue Aug 22 01:54:17 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 2 16:42:17 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id QAA11493 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 16:42:17 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA11476 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 16:42:15 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id BAA20268 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 01:42:12 +0200 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id BAA00938 for chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 01:42:12 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.frmug.fr.net (8.7.Beta.11/keltia-uucp-2.4) id WAA06063 for chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 22:10:22 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199509022010.WAA06063@keltia.frmug.fr.net> Subject: Re: We need more FreeBSD goodies? To: chat@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Chat Mailing List) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 22:10:21 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: roberto@Keltia.Freenix.FR (Ollivier Robert) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1022 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME7a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk A mug with the daemon on it would be very nice too... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia 2.2-CURRENT #16: Tue Aug 22 01:54:17 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 2 16:55:57 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id QAA12631 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 16:55:57 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA12624 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 16:55:54 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA09478; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 16:55:47 -0700 To: roberto@Keltia.Freenix.FR (Ollivier Robert) cc: chat@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Chat Mailing List) Subject: Re: We need more FreeBSD goodies? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 02 Sep 1995 22:10:21 +0200." <199509022010.WAA06063@keltia.frmug.fr.net> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 1995 16:55:47 -0700 Message-ID: <9476.810086147@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk We're making these right now! Jordan > A mug with the daemon on it would be very nice too... > -- > Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net > FreeBSD keltia 2.2-CURRENT #16: Tue Aug 22 01:54:17 MET DST 1995