From owner-freebsd-emulation Tue Jun 18 14:23:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA27957 for emulation-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.129.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27944 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mailhost.worldnet.att.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA00729; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 21:23:48 GMT Message-Id: <199606182123.VAA00729@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Received: from 25.bridgeton-2.mo.dial-access.att.net(199.69.37.25) by mailhost.worldnet.att.net with SMTP id A632; Tue Jun 18 21:23:26 1996 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 96 15:24:18 -0700 From: Paul Kersey X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22ATT (Windows; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emulation@FreeBSD.org Subject: (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-emulation@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I want to join your mailing list. From owner-freebsd-emulation Tue Jun 18 17:00:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA11269 for emulation-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from galois.nscf.org (Galois.nscf.org [192.48.117.201]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA11262 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by galois.nscf.org with UUCP (5.67b/1.2) id AA19259; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:52:28 -0400 Received: by wa4phy.async.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA00702; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:52:02 -0400 From: sam@wa4phy.async.com (S.W. Drinkard) Message-Id: <199606182352.TAA00702@wa4phy.async.com> Subject: Re: (no subject) To: galois!worldnet.att.net!pkersey (Paul Kersey) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Cc: FreeBSD-Emulation@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199606182123.VAA00729@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> from "Paul Kersey" at Jun 18, 96 03:24:18 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-emulation@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I want to join your mailing list. > It appears that you have succesfully done so Paul. I'm sorry to report tho, since I joined this mailing list about 3-4 months ago, there has been maybe 4-5 messages posted, and I think I started it, just wondering if I was actually subscribed, and if there had been any activity. Sorry to report too, that there still has been no activity on this list. I'm beginning to think the folks who hack the code either forgot about us, or no one has the time/inclination to bother with mess-dos emulation. I apologize for sounding negative, since I just volunteered to do docs, but maybe another soul can shed some light on what has been accomplished as far as the ms-dos emulation port. -sam- From owner-freebsd-emulation Tue Jun 18 20:50:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA01423 for emulation-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 20:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01409 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 20:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA28961; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:51:40 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199606190421.NAA28961@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: (no subject) To: sam@wa4phy.async.com (S.W. Drinkard) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:51:39 +0930 (CST) Cc: galois!worldnet.att.net!pkersey@freefall.freebsd.org, FreeBSD-Emulation@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606182352.TAA00702@wa4phy.async.com> from "S.W. Drinkard" at Jun 18, 96 07:51:59 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk S.W. Drinkard stands accused of saying: > the time/inclination to bother with mess-dos emulation. I apologize for > sounding negative, since I just volunteered to do docs, but maybe another > soul can shed some light on what has been accomplished as far as the > ms-dos emulation port. Every time this is asked, I explain that I HAVE NO TIME TO WORK ON THIS JUST NOW, and point to the repeated postings I've made pointing to where the current state of play is, and what to do. I would hope that the archive of this list is available somewhere so that people can get to these messages. I'm sorry. I'd like to have a life, and hack on something fun for once, but at the moment if I want to meet our ship date I can't afford to enjoy myself. > -sam- -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-emulation Tue Jun 18 21:08:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA05227 for emulation-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 21:08:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA05206 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 21:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id VAA07079; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 21:08:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 21:08:48 -0700 From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199606190408.VAA07079@kithrup.com> To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, sam@wa4phy.async.com Subject: Re: (no subject) Cc: FreeBSD-Emulation@freebsd.org, galois!worldnet.att.net!pkersey@freefall.freebsd.org Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> the time/inclination to bother with mess-dos emulation. I apologize for >> sounding negative, since I just volunteered to do docs, but maybe another >> soul can shed some light on what has been accomplished as far as the >> ms-dos emulation port. >Every time this is asked, I explain that I HAVE NO TIME TO WORK ON THIS >JUST NOW, and point to the repeated postings I've made pointing to where >the current state of play is, and what to do. And I, who have the time (sorta), don't really have the resources (although that is changing, and when I get my new machine up and running, working on DOS support is THE FIRST THING I WILL WORK ON). Sean. From owner-freebsd-emulation Thu Jun 20 10:23:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA26076 for emulation-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emcity.cs.twsu.edu (emcity.cs.twsu.edu [156.26.10.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26067 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by emcity.cs.twsu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01086; Thu, 20 Jun 96 12:17:39 CDT Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:17:38 -0500 (CDT) From: john goerzen To: FreeBSD-emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Status of DOS emulator? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am wondering what the status of FreeBSD's DOS emulator is. For instance, how soon will it be able to run basic PX/XT-style (real mode) DOS programs? Also, will it be able to run DOS programs over a terminal that is not the console? Ie, a null-modem cable? I am pondering a switch to NetBSD because it will run DOSEMU. I want to know if staying with FreeBSD will be worth the wait, and how long that wait will be. Thanks in advance for all your help! (ps...please cc a copy of your reply to me via e-mail because I'm not yet subscribed to this list. Thanks.) From owner-freebsd-emulation Thu Jun 20 10:42:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA27153 for emulation-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27148 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA01439; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:42:07 -0700 (PDT) To: john goerzen cc: FreeBSD-emulation@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Status of DOS emulator? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:17:38 CDT." Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:42:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1437.835292526@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-emulation@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I am wondering what the status of FreeBSD's DOS emulator is. For The project is moribund for now. Those people who actually have the gumption to work on it are either time or hardware constrained, and the rest seem to be waiting in the wings for final delivery. > I am pondering a switch to NetBSD because it will run DOSEMU. I want to > know if staying with FreeBSD will be worth the wait, and how long that > wait will be. I thought NetBSD used the same code now - the BSDI dos emulator (which is called Rundos, not DOSEMU - DOSEMU comes from the Linux camp). Jordan From owner-freebsd-emulation Thu Jun 20 20:48:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA13597 for emulation-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 20:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13592 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 20:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA08565; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:50:54 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199606210420.NAA08565@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Status of DOS emulator? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:50:53 +0930 (CST) Cc: jgoerzen@cs.twsu.edu, FreeBSD-emulation@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1437.835292526@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 20, 96 10:42:06 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard stands accused of saying: > > > I am pondering a switch to NetBSD because it will run DOSEMU. I want to > > know if staying with FreeBSD will be worth the wait, and how long that > > wait will be. > > I thought NetBSD used the same code now - the BSDI dos emulator (which > is called Rundos, not DOSEMU - DOSEMU comes from the Linux camp). NetBSD have both the BSDI emulator (doscmd) and a port of DOSEMU. Rundos is even more moribund (but possibly originally technically superior to either of the above; certainly more ambitious). > Jordan -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-emulation Fri Jun 21 20:43:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA24951 for emulation-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 20:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from onyx.southwind.net (root@onyx.southwind.net [204.95.83.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24944; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 20:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from Ucomplet@localhost) by onyx.southwind.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with UUCP id WAA29696; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 22:36:22 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: onyx.southwind.net: Ucomplet set sender to jgoerzen@complete.org using -f Received: (from jgoerzen@localhost) by complete.org (8.7.5/8.7.2) id VAA05739 for msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 21:16:51 -0500 (CDT) From: John Goerzen Message-Id: <199606220216.VAA05739@complete.org> Subject: Re: Status of DOS emulator? To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 21:16:50 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199606210420.NAA08565@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from Michael Smith at "Jun 21, 96 01:50:53 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Jordan K. Hubbard stands accused of saying: > NetBSD have both the BSDI emulator (doscmd) and a port of DOSEMU. > Rundos is even more moribund (but possibly originally technically superior > to either of the above; certainly more ambitious). I am facing a very difficult decision here and maybe some of you can help me regain my sanity :-) I have asked some questions of both NetBSD and OpenBSD. In response, I did get some very helpful answers. I also got a lot of hostility, like "That's a stupid question. What did you expect?" OpenBSD people seem to hate NetBSD people, the ones that they owe their existance to. I even saw a message, don't ask me why it was CC'd to me, where an OpenBSD person said he knew of 20 serious bugs in NetBSD but refused to tell the NetBSD people about it because he thought they were "pricks". Plus, the OpenBSD developer (probably the leader of the project) basically called me stupid for asking what was in the snapshots. I don't want to be perpetually running prerelease code like I would be in OpenBSD, and I don't care for all the fighting. Both systems have a big lack of documentation and have poor serial code (which is important to me), so I will be not switching to either of them. Just a word here to you guys at FreeBSD: thanks for the great website, it has lots of useful info. NetBSD/OpenBSD had very little. My decision is now this: FreeBSD or Linux. I know right off the bat that I will lose some of FreeBSD's legendary stability. What I need to know is how much. Also, how much more secure is FreeBSD than Linux? I am running a BBS sort of thing, where anybody in the public gets free dialin FreeBSD shell account. I don't want to open up my system like that under an OS that isn't secure. DOS emulation is becoming more important to me. Unix still doesn't have a decent word processor that I've seen. WordPerfect 5.0, a very outdated DOS word processor, is much better than even the best Unix word processor I've seen so far. (Yes, I have tried Andrew). I hate booting to DOS. It feels like I'm going back 20 years in computer history. Probably that's true :-) I lose multitasking, stability, etc. It's enough to turn my stomach So I need advice. And I thank everyone here for being polite in spite of my long messages! -- John Goerzen | Turn your PC into a Workstation for FREE! Custom programming | Check out www.freebsd.org NOW! For free FreeBSD jgoerzen@complete.org | Unix shell access, 316-367-8490 with your modem. From owner-freebsd-emulation Sat Jun 22 20:13:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA25841 for emulation-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 20:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw.pu.ru (gw.pu.ru [193.124.85.219]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA25836 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 20:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from VexedVox.stud.pu.ru (root@localhost) by gw.pu.ru (8.6.10/8.6.6) with UUCP id HAA10099 for freebsd.org!freebsd-emulation; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 07:25:26 +0400 Organization: SPb State University Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA00209; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:57:16 +0400 From: Alexey Pialkin Message-Id: <199606221957.XAA00209@localhost> Subject: Re: Status of DOS emulator? To: time.cdrom.com!jkh@VexedVox.stud.pu.ru (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:57:15 +0000 (WET DST) Cc: cs.twsu.edu!jgoerzen@VexedVox.stud.pu.ru, freebsd.org!FreeBSD-emulation@VexedVox.stud.pu.ru In-Reply-To: <1437.835292526@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 20, 96 10:42:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I am wondering what the status of FreeBSD's DOS emulator is. For > > The project is moribund for now. Those people who actually have the > gumption to work on it are either time or hardware constrained, and > the rest seem to be waiting in the wings for final delivery. And a lot of people wait for FreeBSD 2.1.5 with built-in VM86 support :) -- /====================================U _a' /( / Alexey Pialkin N ~~ _}\ \( - / dragonfair@VexedVox.stud.pu.ru I \(,_(,\\ / 2:5030/247 X ._>, _>,``==>