From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 02:23:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA18406 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 02:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.siemens.at (proxy.siemens.at [192.138.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA18363; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 02:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol1.gud.siemens.co.at (sol-f.gud.siemens-austria) by proxy.siemens.at with SMTP id AA29367 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Sun, 9 Jun 1996 11:22:55 +0200 Received: from ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at by sol1.gud.siemens.co.at with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7 for ) id m0uSghz-0001zPC; Sun, 9 Jun 96 11:22 MET DST Received: by ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at (1.37.109.16/1.37) id AA120601941; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 11:19:01 +0200 From: "Hr.Ladavac" Message-Id: <199606090919.AA120601941@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at> Subject: Re: Breaking ffs - speed enhancement? To: dyson@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 11:19:01 +0200 (MESZ) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606050648.BAA00451@dyson.iquest.net> from "John S. Dyson" at Jun 5, 96 01:48:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In his e-mail John S. Dyson wrote: > > It is missing an LFSCK, and contrary to what alot of people might say, IMO it > is needed. That is likely where most of the work would be. > > My guess is that just getting LFS running sort-of reliably would be 2wks+- full > time of work, if you understand things to begin with. It is not a night or > two of work, but probably not a couple of months full time either. There are > some patches from Margot (I am not sure if we have integrated them), and also > some VM system work (to eliminate alot of usually unnecessary copies). > If someone will take the project on, and get the code running as-is, I will > do the work to clean up the VM stuff (and help with working the kernel > VM/vfs_bio interface issues.) > > Jeffery Hsu is working on the VFS stuff right now, so I would suggest waiting > until his stuff settles out (or at least track it), but alot of prelim work > could start immediately. > > So, I guess what I am saying is that if someone will take the lead, I'll > help!!! They say that he who volunteers is a fool. I guess I am the Fool, then :) I hope the sources on 2.1 CD are good enough for preliminary reading. Do you perhaps know where are the patches and additional documentation (i.e. papers, etc ?) /Marino > > John > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 05:25:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA23002 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 05:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA22986; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 05:25:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199606091225.FAA22986@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Breaking ffs - speed enhancement? To: lada@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at (Hr.Ladavac) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 05:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199606090919.AA120601941@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at> from "Hr.Ladavac" at Jun 9, 96 11:19:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hr.Ladavac wrote: > > I hope the sources on 2.1 CD are good enough for preliminary reading. Do you > perhaps know where are the patches and additional documentation (i.e. > papers, etc ?) i have collected a number of papers describing LFS for my own edification. i can mail them out or put them up for ftp. anyone interested? Beating the I/O Bottleneck: A Case for Log-Structured File Systems Ousterhout Douglis Thu Jan 30 09:08:17 1992 The LFS Storage Manager Ousterhout Rosenblum Wed May 1 10:49:13 1991 The Design and Implementation of a Log-Structured File System Rosenblum Ousterhout Wed Jul 24 10:22:49 1991 Experiences with Implementing a Log-Structured File System Chilimbi Myllymaki Weiss An Implementation of a Log-Strcutured File System for UNIX Seltzer Bostic McKusick Staelin Sun Dec 6 17:26:35 1992 93 usenix File System Logging Versus Clustering: A Performance Comparison Seltzer Smith Balakrishnan Chang McMains 95 usenix in addition be sure to read ousterhout's home page concerngin his differences with seltzer about LFS. (dont have the url handy, the search engines will find it for you) jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 05:40:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA29009 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 05:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA28991; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 05:40:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199606091240.FAA28991@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: East Asian Mail Relays Wanted To: hackers, questions Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 05:40:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk the recent addition of mail-relays has been a real boon to the FreeBSD community--the mail moves faster and with less delay than ever before. we would like to continue this effort ;) mail-relays are needed for .th, .tw, .hk, .nz, .kr, .my any sites able to volunteer to handle the east asian sites? .th thailand .tw taiwan .hk hong kong .nz new zealand .kr korea .my malayasia each of message to these domains has an average of 1 recipient a well-relayed domain has an average of at least 6 recipients per message Poul-Henning Kamp's earlier mail described the desired features of a mail-relay site. authorization from the site good connectivity control over its own dns Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > The email load on freebsd.org is still too high for our little setup, > so we would like to find four to eight mail-relays to share the load > of the "heavy" domains: > > .net .com .org .us .gov .mil > > What we need is: > > 1. a machine, we prefer FreeBSD, obviously :-) > > 2. that is well connected (Min T1) (needed BW is a couple of kbyte/sec) > > 3. has plenty of space in /var (> 40 Mb free) > > 4. is up 24h/24h > > 5. has some cpu cycles to burn. > > 6. is accepted by the owner of the machine, facility and net to > be used for this purpose. > > What we want to do: > > Make an mx-record that points to your machine, so that you machine will > receive some share of the emails to domains mentioned above and deliver > them to the recipients. > > Why ? > Because we can deliver one copy to your machine, which will then deliver > 1 copy to each the 10 destination machines, thus saving bandwidth at > freebsd.org. > > What happens if your machine goes down ? > Some mail will be stuck on your machine, but freebsd.org will just deliver > new emails to other machines in this group of mail-relays. > > Is there any software to install ? > No. We rely on sendmail as it comes right out of the box. > > Is there any configuration to deal with ? > No. > > Is there any extra work for me ? > No. > > Do I get anything for it ? > No. > (We will mention you on our web-side and in the handbook, but that's all.) > > Yes, I can help you! > Send email to mailgeeks@freebsd.org, please tell us a little about the > machine, its net connection, who has approved this use, which of the > domains listed above you would be willing to serve and a traceroute > to freebsd.org from the machine. > > Thanks in advance! > > Poul-Henning > jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 07:24:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA05749 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 07:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sierra.zyzzyva.com (ppp0.zyzzyva.com [198.183.2.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05622; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 07:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zyzzyva.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sierra.zyzzyva.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA07124; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 09:22:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199606091422.JAA07124@sierra.zyzzyva.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Terry Lambert , grog@lemis.de, hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The -stable problem: my view In-reply-to: jkh's message of Fri, 07 Jun 1996 16:40:55 -0700. <17086.834190855@time.cdrom.com> X-uri: http://www.zyzzyva.com/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 09:22:09 -0500 From: Randy Terbush Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [Non-commercial break during clash of the titans...] Has anyone in this argument ever looked at Aegis as a project management tool? I've only read through the README, but it reportedly does most (all?) of the things that Terry is suggesting. I realize there is quite a legacy here with CVS, but this might still be worth a look. ARCHIVE SITE The latest version of Aegis is available by anonymous FTP from: Host: ftp.nau.edu (134.114.64.90) Dir: /pub/Aegis File: aegis.2.3.tar.Z # the complete source File: aegis.2.3.patch.Z # patch to take 2.2 to 2.3 File: aegis.2.3.ps.Z # PostScript of the User Guide File: aegis.2.3.faq # Frequently Asked Questions From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 07:41:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA10361 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 07:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10336; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 07:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id aa23651; 9 Jun 96 14:41 GMT Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa28517; 9 Jun 96 14:08 +0100 Received: (from fhackers@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.12) id KAA01634; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 10:59:25 GMT Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 10:59:25 GMT Message-Id: <199606091059.KAA01634@jraynard.demon.co.uk> From: James Raynard To: bde@zeta.org.au CC: hackers@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199606090548.PAA26171@godzilla.zeta.org.au> (message from Bruce Evans on Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:48:18 +1000) Subject: Re: bit 7 in filenames Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> Bruce Evans writes: > > > The symbolic link succeeds unless: > > [ENOTDIR] > > A component of the name2 prefix is not a directory. > > > [EINVAL] Either name1 or name2 contains a character with the high-order > > bit set. > > >HUH ???? > > This anachronism is in most of the man pages for system calls that involve > path names. Do I detect another job to do as part of my libc cleanup? 8-) > >Actually there should be an error return, if I try to make a filename > >that is illegal for the filesystem. > > >For instance > > create("/msdosfs/foo:bar") > >is an invalid name... > > It's not invalid for msdosfs :-). :-(. Neither is creat("/msdosfs/a2345678: > this is a very long not to mention invalid msdos path.name", 0666). Will this still be true after the msdosfs re-write? -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland | http://www.freebsd.org/~jraynard/ james@jraynard.demon.co.uk | jraynard@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 07:46:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA11834 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 07:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA11787; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 07:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA22914; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:46:19 +0200 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA07760 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:46:12 +0200 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA12942 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:33:37 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA00454; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:49:55 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199606091349.PAA00454@yedi.iaf.nl> X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands Subject: Re: Breaking ffs - speed enhancement? To: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:49:55 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: lada@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199606091225.FAA22986@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Jun 9, 96 05:25:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jonathan M. Bresler wrote... > > Hr.Ladavac wrote: > > > > I hope the sources on 2.1 CD are good enough for preliminary reading. Do you > > perhaps know where are the patches and additional documentation (i.e. > > papers, etc ?) > > i have collected a number of papers describing LFS for my > own edification. i can mail them out or put them up for > ftp. anyone interested? And what about putting them somewhere on the release CDs? I suppose there is some space to put 'm? Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 07:56:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA15281 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 07:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luke.pmr.com (luke.pmr.com [206.224.65.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA15122; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 07:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.pmr.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA29931; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 09:54:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Bob Willcox Message-Id: <199606091454.JAA29931@luke.pmr.com> Subject: Re: The -stable problem: my view To: randy@zyzzyva.com (Randy Terbush) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 09:54:20 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, terry@lambert.org, grog@lemis.de, hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606091422.JAA07124@sierra.zyzzyva.com> from Randy Terbush at "Jun 9, 96 09:22:09 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Randy Terbush wrote: > > ARCHIVE SITE > The latest version of Aegis is available by anonymous FTP > from: > Host: ftp.nau.edu (134.114.64.90) > Dir: /pub/Aegis > File: aegis.2.3.tar.Z # the complete source > File: aegis.2.3.patch.Z # patch to take 2.2 to 2.3 > File: aegis.2.3.ps.Z # PostScript of the User Guide > File: aegis.2.3.faq # Frequently Asked Questions I did not find the version af aegis that you refer to above at ftp.nau.edu. The higest version number there seems to be 2.2. Is there somewhere else to get version 2.3? Thanks, -- Bob Willcox bob@luke.pmr.com Austin, TX From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 08:38:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA28766 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 08:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from distortion.eng.umd.edu (distortion.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28668; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 08:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skipper.eng.umd.edu (skipper.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.208]) by distortion.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13989; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 11:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chuckr@localhost) by skipper.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA07186; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 11:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 11:35:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@skipper.eng.umd.edu To: Bob Willcox cc: Randy Terbush , jkh@time.cdrom.com, terry@lambert.org, grog@lemis.de, hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The -stable problem: my view In-Reply-To: <199606091454.JAA29931@luke.pmr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Bob Willcox wrote: > Randy Terbush wrote: > > > > ARCHIVE SITE > > The latest version of Aegis is available by anonymous FTP > > from: > > Host: ftp.nau.edu (134.114.64.90) > > Dir: /pub/Aegis > > File: aegis.2.3.tar.Z # the complete source > > File: aegis.2.3.patch.Z # patch to take 2.2 to 2.3 > > File: aegis.2.3.ps.Z # PostScript of the User Guide > > File: aegis.2.3.faq # Frequently Asked Questions > > I did not find the version af aegis that you refer to above at > ftp.nau.edu. The higest version number there seems to be 2.2. Is > there somewhere else to get version 2.3? I found it, go look at: ftp.agso.gov.au:/pub/Aegis There's something called "cook" there that is supposed to work with it, you might want to get the latest (1.9) version of that while you're looking (I did). > > Thanks, > -- > Bob Willcox > bob@luke.pmr.com > Austin, TX > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 08:42:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA00106 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 08:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sierra.zyzzyva.com (ppp0.zyzzyva.com [198.183.2.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA29908; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 08:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zyzzyva.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sierra.zyzzyva.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA17621; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 10:41:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199606091541.KAA17621@sierra.zyzzyva.com> To: Bob Willcox cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, terry@lambert.org, grog@lemis.de, hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The -stable problem: my view In-reply-to: bob's message of Sun, 09 Jun 1996 09:54:20 -0500. <199606091454.JAA29931@luke.pmr.com> X-uri: http://www.zyzzyva.com/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 10:40:58 -0500 From: Randy Terbush Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Try ftp.bmr.gov.au:/pub/Aegis Seems his README is a bit out of date. This is not a new project BTW. I seem to recall a 1.0 announcement a couple of years ago. > Randy Terbush wrote: > > > > ARCHIVE SITE > > The latest version of Aegis is available by anonymous FTP > > from: > > Host: ftp.nau.edu (134.114.64.90) > > Dir: /pub/Aegis > > File: aegis.2.3.tar.Z # the complete source > > File: aegis.2.3.patch.Z # patch to take 2.2 to 2.3 > > File: aegis.2.3.ps.Z # PostScript of the User Guide > > File: aegis.2.3.faq # Frequently Asked Questions > > I did not find the version af aegis that you refer to above at > ftp.nau.edu. The higest version number there seems to be 2.2. Is > there somewhere else to get version 2.3? > > Thanks, > -- > Bob Willcox > bob@luke.pmr.com > Austin, TX From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 09:41:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA13969 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 09:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Sisyphos (Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13904; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 09:40:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by Sisyphos id AA01848 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Sun, 9 Jun 1996 18:09:57 +0200 Message-Id: <199606091609.AA01848@Sisyphos> From: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 18:09:57 +0200 In-Reply-To: Dave Hayes "Re: Using two NCR 53C825 controllers blows up?" (Jun 8, 16:27) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(2) 7/9/95) To: Dave Hayes Subject: Re: Using two NCR 53C825 controllers blows up? Cc: scsi@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 8, 16:27, Dave Hayes wrote: } Subject: Re: Using two NCR 53C825 controllers blows up? } "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" writes: } >What kind of machine is this? } } Oops, sorry. It's not a name brand per se. It is an "Intel Advanced } ZP" motherboard. AMI Bios, and I don't have the revision handy. } } >However, the "second" card was actually installed with a lower address } >or IRQ or something. The only thing that made it come "after" the } >first was because it was hacked into the BIOS that way. After } >bootstrapping, NT doesn't use the BIOS anymore, and so would make the } >"second" controller into the first controller under NT, and the } >"first" controller would become the second. The drives on the } >controllers, of course, would then follow the new order. Very very } >annoying. } } That's real swell, now how do I find out whether it's doing that? } These NCR cards have jumpers to switch between INT A/B/C/D, but } I don't think PCI interrupts are as simple as ISA ones. Do I hafta } play with the jumpers? No, PLEASE always use INT A for a single function PCI device (like the NCR is) ! You may try swapping the locations of your controllers, or the direction of the PCI bus probe (it currently scans from low to high device numbers, as suggested in the PCI spec, but it seems there are PCI BIOS implementations that probe from high device numbers to low numbers). If there is one non-WIDE and one WIDE NCR card in a system, then the NCR SDMS software appears to always make the non-WIDE the primary controller (ie. will try to boot from it). Look into the LINT kernel config file for the syntax required to hardwire SCSI drives. This will permit you to specify drive names independently of the probe order. Let me know if all of this does not solve your problem ... Regards, STefan -- Stefan Esser, Zentrum fuer Paralleles Rechnen Tel: +49 221 4706021 Universitaet zu Koeln, Weyertal 80, 50931 Koeln FAX: +49 221 4705160 ============================================================================== http://www.zpr.uni-koeln.de/~se From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 10:05:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA20577 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 10:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mongoose.bostic.com (bostic@mongoose.BSDI.COM [205.230.230.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20557 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 10:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bostic@localhost) by mongoose.bostic.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) id MAA23493; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:15:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Keith Bostic Message-Id: <199606091615.MAA23493@mongoose.bostic.com> To: bostic@bsdi.com Subject: nex/nvi version 1.67 released. Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Version 1.67 of nex/nvi is now available. All of the changes since 1.66 were bug fixes of one form or another, mostly minor. If I don't hear of any problems with 1.67 in the next week, it will replace 1.34 as the new "stable" version. If you're interested in a further review of the changes that have been made, a complete change log is included with the distribution, in the file docs/changelog. Version 1.67 is available for anonymous ftp from the usual two sites: ftp.cs.berkeley.edu:ucb/4bsd/nvi.ALPHA.1.67.tar.gz ftp.bostic.com:pub/nvi.ALPHA.1.67.tar.gz (The UC Berkeley site is likely to provide faster transfer speeds.) Please let me know if you have any problems, and as always, thanks for using nvi! --keith From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 10:30:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA25719 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 10:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irbs.irbs.com ([199.182.75.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25661 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 10:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.irbs.com (8.7.5/8.6.6) id NAA22113 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:29:22 -0400 (EDT) From: John Capo Message-Id: <199606091729.NAA22113@irbs.irbs.com> Subject: Re: nex/nvi version 1.67 released. To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:29:22 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199606091615.MAA23493@mongoose.bostic.com> from Keith Bostic at "Jun 9, 96 12:15:22 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk 1.66 and 1.67 core if you tag out of a modified file. This patch has been sent to Keith. *** ex/ex_tag.c.orig Mon Jun 3 14:09:58 1996 --- ex/ex_tag.c Sun Jun 9 13:15:14 1996 *************** *** 798,804 **** CIRCLEQ_REMOVE(&tqp->tagq, tp, q); free(tp); } ! CIRCLEQ_REMOVE(&exp->tq, tqp, q); free(tqp); return (0); } --- 798,806 ---- CIRCLEQ_REMOVE(&tqp->tagq, tp, q); free(tp); } ! if (tqp->q.cqe_next && tqp->q.cqe_prev) ! CIRCLEQ_REMOVE(&exp->tq, tqp, q); ! free(tqp); return (0); } John Capo jc@irbs.com IRBS Engineering FreeBSD Servers and Workstations (954) 792-9551 Unix/Internet Consulting - ISP Solutions From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 10:59:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA00664 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 10:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00659 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 10:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA10126 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:59:25 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:59:24 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Bounce buffers in current vs stable Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I recently moved from stable to current (may 1 snapshot) and have begun to ponder bounce buffers, since I have a 32 megabytes of ram in an ISA system and an Adaptec 1542C SCSI controller. Unfortunately I don't have any benchmarks from 2.1, but under current the my system feels a lot slower than before the upgrade. When paging starts, things really slow to a crawl down to a crawl. I'm wondering if any kernel/vm wizards would be able to speculate on whether or not bounce buffer performance may have been a casualty of general vm system changes. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 12:11:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA08765 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA08752; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:11:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199606091911.MAA08752@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Breaking ffs - speed enhancement? To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Cc: lada@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199606091349.PAA00454@yedi.iaf.nl> from "Wilko Bulte" at Jun 9, 96 03:49:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Wilko Bulte wrote: > > As Jonathan M. Bresler wrote... > > > > Hr.Ladavac wrote: > > > > > > I hope the sources on 2.1 CD are good enough for preliminary reading. Do you > > > perhaps know where are the patches and additional documentation (i.e. > > > papers, etc ?) > > > > i have collected a number of papers describing LFS for my > > own edification. i can mail them out or put them up for > > ftp. anyone interested? > > And what about putting them somewhere on the release CDs? I suppose there > is some space to put 'm? i dont know if that is legal. some of the papers are from the various usenix conferences. others were published in other magazines, etc.....i fear that we would have to contact all the authors for permission. i dont know the restrictions and legalities involved. jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 12:55:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA13979 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eac.iafrica.com (slipper101139.iafrica.com [196.7.101.139]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13957 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by eac.iafrica.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA00223; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 21:19:28 +0200 From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199606091919.VAA00223@eac.iafrica.com> Subject: Re: bit 7 in filenames To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 21:19:27 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606090636.IAA04585@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 9, 96 08:36:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch wrote: > > As Bruce Evans wrote: > > > falsely advertises that _POSIX_NO_TRUNC is 1 (no-trunc for > > _all_ supported file systems) and man pages misspell > > pathconf("/mountpoint", _PC_NAME_MAX) as 255. > > msdosfs can hardly count as a ``supported file system''. >:-) I raised this in -questions the other day, and this may be a good opportunity to get it into -hackers: As there has been some interest expressed in getting the msdosfs working (better) immediately, I'm going to be spending time over the next two weeks looking at this. What I have in mind is a series of fixes to correct the most serious problems: mostly those that actually result in corruption to the DOS FS or ffs. This is really intended just as a stop-gap measure, as the fundamental design of the msdosfs is seriously broken in all sorts of ways. Most of the code for the new msdosfs (now `vfatfs') is complete, but -- given the low level of general interest in/knowledge about the FAT/VFAT filesystem on FreeBSD -- there really doesn't seem much point in getting this into current until the very late stages of beta testing. All this is mostly FYI, but also to encourage anyone interested in the msdosfs quick fix to sign up and check it out. -- Robert Nordier From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 12:59:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA14454 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eac.iafrica.com (slipper101139.iafrica.com [196.7.101.139]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA14424; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by eac.iafrica.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA00271; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 21:49:49 +0200 From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199606091949.VAA00271@eac.iafrica.com> Subject: Re: bit 7 in filenames To: fhackers@jraynard.demon.co.uk (James Raynard) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 21:49:48 +0200 (SAT) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, hackers@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606091059.KAA01634@jraynard.demon.co.uk> from "James Raynard" at Jun 9, 96 10:59:25 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk James Raynard wrote: [...] > > >Actually there should be an error return, if I try to make a filename > > >that is illegal for the filesystem. > > > > >For instance > > > create("/msdosfs/foo:bar") > > >is an invalid name... > > > > It's not invalid for msdosfs :-). :-(. Neither is creat("/msdosfs/a2345678: > > this is a very long not to mention invalid msdos path.name", 0666). > > Will this still be true after the msdosfs re-write? The vfatfs (== rewritten msdosfs) will not actually create files containing illegal DOS filename characters. Currently, however, it offers a `translate' option which does a semi-intelligent mapping between characters valid on BSD and DOS. (Invalid DOS filename characters are those below 0x20, as well as the following sixteen: " * + , . / : ; < = > ? [ \ ] | All other characters including 0x20 and characters >= 0x80 are legal.) With the translate option enabled, Bruce's example would be acceptable, would be mapped to (say) /msdosfs/a2345678 this is a very long not to mention invalid msdos path.name (which DOS itself would accept) and would result in the file A2345678.NAM on a FAT filesystem. -- Robert Nordier From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 13:31:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA17993 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17977 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17896; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:31:32 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id WAA15288; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:30:59 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.Alpha.4/keltia-uucp-2.8) id VAA02299; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 21:57:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199606091957.VAA02299@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: The -stable problem: my view To: bob@luke.pmr.com (Bob Willcox) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 21:57:02 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Hackers' list) In-Reply-To: <199606091454.JAA29931@luke.pmr.com> from Bob Willcox at "Jun 9, 96 09:54:20 am" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#2093 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Bob Willcox said: > I did not find the version af aegis that you refer to above at > ftp.nau.edu. The higest version number there seems to be 2.2. Is > there somewhere else to get version 2.3? I got a 2.3 a few months ago. 2 Apr 1995 595.3 Ko /sources/prog/tools/aegis.2.3.tar.gz It lists the same address in the README as wrote Randy. I don't remember where I got it though. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #8: Sat Jun 8 15:07:49 MET DST 1996 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 13:43:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19541 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-42-165.ut.nl.ibm.net [139.92.42.165]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19467; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA00723; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:54:40 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199606091054.MAA00723@vector.jhs.no_domain> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.jhs.no_domain: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams), hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org, Terry Lambert Subject: Re: The -stable problem: my view From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Mailer: EXMH version 1.6.5 95 12 11, PGP available In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Jun 1996 17:59:42 PDT." <17510.834195582@time.cdrom.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 12:54:39 +0200 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Reference: > From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > > The question here seems to be "how can we give the users a tree which > always builds", right? Well, that's certainly not a new question. > Even crazed expatriate brits like Julian Stacey have been calling for > that sort of scheme for years! :-) You called ? :-) Re. CVS: I suggest, for future policy, (& not WRT past history :-) ... Anyone who wantonly breaks Current (& forces everyone to need make -i) for more than the duration of a single short commit session, should have his commits backed out, & CVS privelege suspended for 7 days, during which the person is free to meditate on the disruption caused, & to prepare new better tested diffs. After initial rigorous enforcement, only occasional later enforcement would be required. Only exception: After _prior_ posted permission from CVS master, where breaking the tree is certified as really unavoidable. Re. Stable: I suggest boring work is best left to those with a paid incentive. `Stable' is a quasi-professional service: ( A labour intensive mix of some `current' technology plus testing ), & is a burden on unpaid volunteers. So leave boring work to those with a financial incentive, who could be: - External support services that may set up, offering for FreeBSD, services similar to that which Cygnus offers for FSF. - Custom consultantcy & support people or firms. - A FreeBSD Inc. funded `stable' maintenance group if Jordan & co. drum up sufficient funds from commercial users. - If Walnut Creek Inc determine `Stable' to be of financial benefit to WC inc, then those people funded by WC. Serious@freebsd.org is (or was) available, for companies prepared to pay serious commercial amounts of money (upwards of hundreds of dollars I suggest) for commercial support. Such paid work could include Stable maintenance). Personal Disclosure: I am a Unix developer/supporter, with personal & business interests in Releases & Current, but no `Stable' paying customers or hosts. Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 14:01:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA21220 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA21212; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA02136; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:59:35 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606092059.NAA02136@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: bit 7 in filenames To: rnordier@iafrica.com (Robert Nordier) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:59:35 -0700 (MST) Cc: fhackers@jraynard.demon.co.uk, bde@zeta.org.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199606091949.VAA00271@eac.iafrica.com> from "Robert Nordier" at Jun 9, 96 09:49:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The vfatfs (== rewritten msdosfs) will not actually create files > containing illegal DOS filename characters. > > Currently, however, it offers a `translate' option which does a > semi-intelligent mapping between characters valid on BSD and DOS. > > (Invalid DOS filename characters are those below 0x20, as well as > the following sixteen: > > " * + , . / : ; < = > ? [ \ ] | > > All other characters including 0x20 and characters >= 0x80 are > legal.) > > With the translate option enabled, Bruce's example would be > acceptable, would be mapped to (say) > > /msdosfs/a2345678 this is a very long not to mention invalid > msdos path.name > > (which DOS itself would accept) and would result in the file > > A2345678.NAM > > on a FAT filesystem. Actually, the IFS documentation with the SDK states that a directory name can contain: o $ \ % ' - _ @ ~ ` ! ( ) ^ ^ | `- blank space `- degree symbol A file name may contain: o $ \ % ' - _ @ ~ ` ! ( ) The following special characters can also be used in long file names (but not short ones): : + , ; = [ ] Blank spaces can be anywhere in the long name, but blank spaces and periods at the end of a long name are ignored. Case is preserved on storage, but ignored on lookup (DOS has seperate interfaces for directory lookup as opposed to file opening). I can also give you the "short name generation rules" (which aren't really documented anywhere). They require directory iteration and use of a monotonically increasing numeric "tail" substitution into the file name (not affecting the extension, if any). I have somewhat of an advantage, having been involved in a project that ported the Heidemann framework and some of the FS modules and most of the BSD FS kernel environment to Windows 95. 8-). The conversion to parsed-path stuctures greatly aids in use of Unicode and DOS code-page interoperability... you will need to incorporate a number of patches if you expect to be able to support two name binding, lookup, or Unicode storage (We have a UFS where we have made these modifications). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 14:33:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA24086 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA24077; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ag12495; 9 Jun 96 21:32 GMT Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa29848; 9 Jun 96 21:43 +0100 Received: (from fhackers@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA04041; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:19:11 GMT Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:19:11 GMT Message-Id: <199606091319.NAA04041@jraynard.demon.co.uk> From: James Raynard To: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org CC: lada@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at, dyson@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199606091225.FAA22986@freefall.freebsd.org> (jmb@freefall.freebsd.org) Subject: Re: Breaking ffs - speed enhancement? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I hope the sources on 2.1 CD are good enough for preliminary reading. Do you > > perhaps know where are the patches and additional documentation (i.e. > > papers, etc ?) > > i have collected a number of papers describing LFS for my > own edification. i can mail them out or put them up for > ftp. anyone interested? Hmm, don't suppose anyone has anything similar for portals? (I've got a paper by Stevens and Pendry on the 4.4BSD implementation, but that's all). TIA -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland | http://www.freebsd.org/~jraynard/ james@jraynard.demon.co.uk | jraynard@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 14:35:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA24373 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luke.pmr.com (luke.pmr.com [206.224.65.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24334; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.pmr.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA03062; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:33:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Bob Willcox Message-Id: <199606092133.QAA03062@luke.pmr.com> Subject: Re: The -stable problem: my view To: randy@zyzzyva.com (Randy Terbush) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:33:11 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, terry@lambert.org, grog@lemis.de, hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606091541.KAA17621@sierra.zyzzyva.com> from Randy Terbush at "Jun 9, 96 10:40:58 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Randy Terbush wrote: > Try ftp.bmr.gov.au:/pub/Aegis > > Seems his README is a bit out of date. Got it! Thanks to all who responded! -- Bob Willcox bob@luke.pmr.com Austin, TX From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 14:42:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA25093 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA25088; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA05621; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 00:45:22 +0300 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 00:45:22 +0300 (EET DST) From: Narvi To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: Wilko Bulte , lada@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Breaking ffs - speed enhancement? In-Reply-To: <199606091911.MAA08752@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eat good food, preserve nature, be nice to all nice people :) On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > As Jonathan M. Bresler wrote... > > > > > > Hr.Ladavac wrote: > > > > > > > > I hope the sources on 2.1 CD are good enough for preliminary reading. Do you > > > > perhaps know where are the patches and additional documentation (i.e. > > > > papers, etc ?) > > > > > > i have collected a number of papers describing LFS for my > > > own edification. i can mail them out or put them up for > > > ftp. anyone interested? > > > > And what about putting them somewhere on the release CDs? I suppose there > > is some space to put 'm? > > i dont know if that is legal. some of the papers are from the > various usenix conferences. others were published in other > magazines, etc.....i fear that we would have to contact all > the authors for permission. I have a strange feeling that in most cases contacting the magazine first may be sufficent. And they should be able to say if you have to ask the permisssion of the author (in some cases, there is a notice on the bottom of the first page saying that for making copies you have to...). Sander > > i dont know the restrictions and legalities involved. > > jmb > -- > Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG > FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 14:58:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA26312 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26306 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zap.io.org (taob@zap.io.org [198.133.36.81]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA15167; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:56:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: Michael Smith cc: bde@zeta.org.au, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slow tty updates and high load, but idle CPU In-Reply-To: <199605200730.RAA20879@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 May 1996, Michael Smith wrote: > > Try 'ps axl', which should list the names of the wait channels, or just > 'ps axO wchan'. Okay, I ran into the problem again. The reason for the delayed followup is that it takes a couple of weeks for it to manifest itself, and I was on holiday for a week at the end of May (hi Jordan, hi David!). 'ps axl' shows that all affected processes (pine, less, trn, irc, etc., etc.) are waiting on "ttybf2", if that rings a bell for anyone. I've upgraded our shell servers to 2.2-960501-SNAP and will continue to watch for similar behaviour. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 15:06:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA27303 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA27294; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:06:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199606092206.PAA27294@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Breaking ffs - speed enhancement? To: fhackers@jraynard.demon.co.uk (James Raynard) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: lada@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at, dyson@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606091319.NAA04041@jraynard.demon.co.uk> from "James Raynard" at Jun 9, 96 01:19:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk James Raynard wrote: > > > > I hope the sources on 2.1 CD are good enough for preliminary reading. Do you > > > perhaps know where are the patches and additional documentation (i.e. > > > papers, etc ?) > > > > i have collected a number of papers describing LFS for my > > own edification. i can mail them out or put them up for > > ftp. anyone interested? > > Hmm, don't suppose anyone has anything similar for portals? (I've got > a paper by Stevens and Pendry on the 4.4BSD implementation, but that's > all). at the moment that is all i have as well. you all are just too much. i figure that *no one* is working lfs here is something i can do as time allows. i collect the papers and bang. everyone is interested in lfs. right outta nowhere. fine. found stevens and pendry's paper on friday. figure, well there are all doing lfs now. i'll grab portals. fits with security needs that i have. a lot of it is user-land, easier to work. *smack* now someone is asking about portals. well, i have a new policy. i am going to collect material for any section of FreeBSD i want improved. people should start working on it within 3 days time. >-; jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 15:21:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA28655 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:21:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28650 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA17796; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:17:23 +1000 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:17:23 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199606092217.IAA17796@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, taob@io.org Subject: Re: Slow tty updates and high load, but idle CPU Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > 'ps axl' shows that all affected processes (pine, less, trn, irc, >etc., etc.) are waiting on "ttybf2", if that rings a bell for anyone. >I've upgraded our shell servers to 2.2-960501-SNAP and will continue >to watch for similar behaviour. It shouldn't happen, since this was fixed in -stable on 1996/01/03. Workaround in 2.1R: open a lot of pty pairs; leave them all open and don't otherwise use them. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 15:24:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA28899 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28890 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zap.io.org (taob@zap.io.org [198.133.36.81]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA15429 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 18:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 18:23:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Memory leak or reporting problem in 2.2-960501-SNAP? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I noticed a couple of oddities with our newly upgraded 2.2-SNAP machines. One is an apparently huge discrepancy between the amount of real memory used reported by 'top' and from adding up the RSS column in 'ps aux'. For example, on our Web/FTP server (Apache 1.0.3, wu-ftpd 2.4): >>>>> # ps aux | awk '{sum+=$6} END {print sum}' 46104 # top -n 0 load averages: 0.48, 0.71, 0.76 18:10:49 96 processes: 1 running, 95 sleeping Mem: 91M Active, 480K Inact, 18M Wired, 16M Cache, 5862K Buf, 3532K Free Swap: 262M Total, 128K Used, 262M Free <<<<< 'top' says 91M active (there's 128M in this machine), but the numbers from 'ps' barely add up to half that. Our news server shows expected behaviour: >>>>> # ps aux | awk '{sum+=$6} END {print sum}' 105716 # top -n 0 load averages: 0.27, 0.61, 0.57 18:13:30 110 processes: 3 running, 107 sleeping Mem: 68M Active, 2092K Inact, 18M Wired, 40M Cache, 6337K Buf, 176K Free Swap: 262M Total, 128K Used, 262M Free <<<<< I would expect to see the sum of RSS to exceed actual physical RAM usage (particularly on our news server, which makes heavy use of shared memory segments). But to have RSS add up to half the size of what 'top' says? Something seems broken there. The other weirdness I saw this morning was on the abovementioned news server. I'll just reproduce the output of 'top' and 'ps' here, since I have *no* idea what was going on here. I restarted innd with a binary compiled with -g and about half an hour later, the server swapped itself to death. Note the amount of "active memory" as well as innd.debug's RSS size. I rebooted the server and now all seems well, running the same innd.debug binary. >>>>> # top load averages: 0.75, 0.74, 0.67 13:09:57 109 processes: 2 running, 101 sleeping, 6 zombie Cpu states: 3.4% user, 0.0% nice, 20.6% system, 4.9% interrupt, 71.2% idle Mem: 868K Active, 4232K Inact, 20M Wired, 17M Cache, 7196K Buf, 180K Free Swap: 262M Total, 56M Used, 206M Free, 21% Inuse, 408K In, 1860K Out PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 23164 news -6 0 296K 192K biowai 0:09 4.46% 4.46% in.nnrpd 22505 news 2 0 296K 96K select 0:02 5.67% 3.97% in.nnrpd 22402 news 30 0 300K 188K RUN 0:27 3.66% 3.66% in.nnrpd 22812 root 30 0 356K 232K RUN 0:06 2.17% 2.17% top 21687 news -18 0 25M 12K swread 3:57 1.79% 1.79% innd.debug 22462 news 2 0 308K 96K sbwait 0:01 0.04% 0.04% in.nnrpd # ps aux USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TT STAT STARTED TIME COMMAND news 23164 6.5 0.2 296 192 ?? D 1:05PM 0:10.49 -zot.io.org HE root 2 6.0 0.0 0 12 ?? DL Tue12PM 0:13.26 (pagedaemon) news 22402 4.0 0.2 300 188 ?? D 12:51PM 0:27.33 -zap.io.org HE root 3 2.3 0.0 0 12 ?? DL Tue12PM 2:31.29 (vmdaemon) news 23194 2.0 0.0 0 0 ?? Z - 0:00.00 (in.nnrpd) news 21687 1.7 0.0 24636 12 ?? Ds 12:44PM 3:57.46 (innd.debug) [...] <<<<< -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 15:30:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA29460 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.tfs.com ([140.145.16.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29455; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.tfs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01185; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:30:01 -0700 (PDT) To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Breaking ffs - speed enhancement? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 09 Jun 1996 15:06:53 PDT." <199606092206.PAA27294@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 15:30:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1183.834359400@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199606092206.PAA27294@freefall.freebsd.org>, "Jonathan M. Bresler" writes: > > well, i have a new policy. i am going to collect material for any > section of FreeBSD i want improved. people should start working on > it within 3 days time. >-; > You know, that is not a bad idea at all. Why don't you start to make it a section in the handbook ? Would you be able to balance a cap that says "FreeBSD Librarian" on top of your postmaster cap ? :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 15:53:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA03335 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03319 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA29425; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:53:20 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199606092253.RAA29425@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Memory leak or reporting problem in 2.2-960501-SNAP? To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:53:19 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Jun 9, 96 06:23:22 pm Reply-To: dyson@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I would expect to see the sum of RSS to exceed actual physical RAM > usage (particularly on our news server, which makes heavy use of > shared memory segments). But to have RSS add up to half the size of > what 'top' says? Something seems broken there. > The RSS refers to the pages mapped into the process, but those pages may or may not be "active." Active has to do with the in-memory priority (sort of). Whether or not a page is mapped has little to do with that. > > The other weirdness I saw this morning was on the abovementioned > news server. I'll just reproduce the output of 'top' and 'ps' here, > since I have *no* idea what was going on here. I restarted innd with > a binary compiled with -g and about half an hour later, the server > swapped itself to death. Note the amount of "active memory" as well > as innd.debug's RSS size. I rebooted the server and now all seems > well, running the same innd.debug binary. > > > # ps aux > USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TT STAT STARTED TIME COMMAND > news 23164 6.5 0.2 296 192 ?? D 1:05PM 0:10.49 -zot.io.org HE > root 2 6.0 0.0 0 12 ?? DL Tue12PM 0:13.26 (pagedaemon) > news 22402 4.0 0.2 300 188 ?? D 12:51PM 0:27.33 -zap.io.org HE > root 3 2.3 0.0 0 12 ?? DL Tue12PM 2:31.29 (vmdaemon) > news 23194 2.0 0.0 0 0 ?? Z - 0:00.00 (in.nnrpd) > news 21687 1.7 0.0 24636 12 ?? Ds 12:44PM 3:57.46 (innd.debug) > [...] > <<<<< > EEEK!!! I think that I have a fix for that, that I am willing to commit to -current. 2.2-current is MUCH MUCH better in the VM arena than snap right now. I have been holding off anything but simple bug fixes in current, and I'll commit the proposed (maybe) fix for that tonight (Sun.) It has been very painful, but the VM code is better than it has ever been (except for perhaps a few lurking bugs.) John From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 16:18:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA07685 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eac.iafrica.com (slipper119225.iafrica.com [196.7.119.225]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA07668 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by eac.iafrica.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA00185; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:14:09 +0200 From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199606092314.BAA00185@eac.iafrica.com> Subject: Re: bit 7 in filenames To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:14:08 +0200 (SAT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606092059.NAA02136@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Jun 9, 96 01:59:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert wrote: > > > The vfatfs (== rewritten msdosfs) will not actually create files > > containing illegal DOS filename characters. > > > > Currently, however, it offers a `translate' option which does a > > semi-intelligent mapping between characters valid on BSD and DOS. > > > > (Invalid DOS filename characters are those below 0x20, as well as > > the following sixteen: > > > > " * + , . / : ; < = > ? [ \ ] | > > > > All other characters including 0x20 and characters >= 0x80 are > > legal.) > > > > With the translate option enabled, Bruce's example would be > > acceptable, would be mapped to (say) > > > > /msdosfs/a2345678 this is a very long not to mention invalid > > msdos path.name > > > > (which DOS itself would accept) and would result in the file > > > > A2345678.NAM > > > > on a FAT filesystem. > > Actually, the IFS documentation with the SDK states that a directory > name can contain: > > o $ \ % ' - _ @ ~ ` ! ( ) > ^ ^ > | `- blank space > `- degree symbol > > A file name may contain: > > o $ \ % ' - _ @ ~ ` ! ( ) Thanks. Though the whole business of Microsoft documentation versus Microsoft practice tends to be rather a sore point. Over the last few years, I've disassembled and commented probably several thousand lines of MS-DOS 3.30, 5.00, and 6.22 code, including large chunks of 'io.sys' and 'msdos.sys', as well as (relevant stuff) much of 'format.com' and some parts of 'fdisk.exe'. And recently I've also been running seemingly endless tests on 'scandisk', in the course of developing the 'fsck_msdos' utility. Some observations to come out of this are: (a) If Microsoft documents any technical details about DOS, it almost invariably gets them wrong. (b) No two programmers at Microsoft seem to have the same idea about what is and isn't legal, at least for the FAT FS. That the Microsoft programmers don't seem to know what the $\%'-_@~`!() the real technical details are, half the time, tends to be evident in all sorts of ways. For instance, the problems that have arisen relating to use of the 0xe5 character in filenames _should_ have been at least somewhat predictable. And evidently whoever implemented filename checking in 'scandisk' has his own personal ideas about what is (0x7f) and what isn't (0x00) acceptable.... [List of further boring and abstruse technical details reluctantly omitted.] There is also the further issue of compatibility with various non-Microsoft versions of DOS. These include not only the IBM and ex-Digital Research stuff, but systems like Mike Podanoffsky's RxDOS and Pat Villani's DOS-C (used by the `Free-DOS Project'). I think the point is that, ultimately, it has to be a matter of `do as we do', not `do as we say'. Which doesn't, of course, mean that knowing what the party line is, isn't useful and even interesting. As regards specifics, a creat("a c e g .i k", 0666); is certainly acceptable to MS-DOS 6.22, so it is hard to know quite what to make of the directory/file-naming distinction for the space character, for instance. > > The following special characters can also be used in long file names > (but not short ones): > > : + , ; = [ ] > > Blank spaces can be anywhere in the long name, but blank spaces and > periods at the end of a long name are ignored. > > Case is preserved on storage, but ignored on lookup (DOS has seperate > interfaces for directory lookup as opposed to file opening). > > > I can also give you the "short name generation rules" (which aren't > really documented anywhere). They require directory iteration and > use of a monotonically increasing numeric "tail" substitution into > the file name (not affecting the extension, if any). > > > I have somewhat of an advantage, having been involved in a project > that ported the Heidemann framework and some of the FS modules and > most of the BSD FS kernel environment to Windows 95. 8-). I'd certainly appreciate all the information you can supply, if you don't mind taking the trouble. I've tested a lot of Linux, Mach, NetBSD, and GNU DOS FS-related code in the last few months, and what is particularly evident is a lack of rigorous attention to detail. Besides that, even in the generalities, I'm such I could learn a lot from your experience. > The conversion to parsed-path stuctures greatly aids in use of > Unicode and DOS code-page interoperability... you will need to > incorporate a number of patches if you expect to be able to > support two name binding, lookup, or Unicode storage (We have a > UFS where we have made these modifications). Yes, this is an area in the new vfatfs implementation that still needs work. -- Robert Nordier From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 16:29:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA10136 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA10128 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA05192; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:29:21 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606092329.QAA05192@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: bit 7 in filenames To: rnordier@iafrica.com (Robert Nordier) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:29:20 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606092314.BAA00185@eac.iafrica.com> from "Robert Nordier" at Jun 10, 96 01:14:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'd certainly appreciate all the information you can supply, if you > don't mind taking the trouble. I've tested a lot of Linux, Mach, > NetBSD, and GNU DOS FS-related code in the last few months, and what is > particularly evident is a lack of rigorous attention to detail. Besides > that, even in the generalities, I'm such I could learn a lot from your > experience. Stuff directly related to the undocumented interactions of IFS is the intellectual property of my employer. So if it's something that would help you build a Windows95 or WindowsNT FS, I can't tell you. 8-(. The lower level BSD FS interface stuff, the lookup interface stuff, and what is or isn't a legal DOS name, I can give you data on. The algorithm for name generation has been disclosed elsewhere, so I don't feel bad about that. Obviously, since I've been hacking the BSD FS interface since the late 80's, I can give you any data there as well. 8-). > > The conversion to parsed-path stuctures greatly aids in use of > > Unicode and DOS code-page interoperability... you will need to > > incorporate a number of patches if you expect to be able to > > support two name binding, lookup, or Unicode storage (We have a > > UFS where we have made these modifications). > > Yes, this is an area in the new vfatfs implementation that still needs > work. Yeah, this falls into the BSD FS interface area. Let me know what you need on that. The big issue of Unicode vs. non-Unicode names coexisting hinges on having the caller clean up the path structures that it sends down to the FS instead of expecting the FS to do it for you. I can send you the patches (or you can pull them off of freefall -- I submitted themabout a year ago). Let me know when you get to this. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 16:31:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA10413 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10403; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zap.io.org (taob@zap.io.org [198.133.36.81]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA15761; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 19:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 19:30:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: dyson@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Memory leak or reporting problem in 2.2-960501-SNAP? In-Reply-To: <199606092253.RAA29425@dyson.iquest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, John S. Dyson wrote: > > The RSS refers to the pages mapped into the process, but those pages > may or may not be "active." Active has to do with the in-memory > priority (sort of). Whether or not a page is mapped has little to > do with that. So what should I trust if I'm evaluating the memory load on a server? 'ps' obviously does not account for all aspects of memory usage. I always found the breakdown in 'top' to be quite useful, except for this one instance showing 91M active with only ~50 httpd's and ~20 ftpd's running. > EEEK!!! I think that I have a fix for that, that I am willing to commit > to -current. Goody. :) > 2.2-current is MUCH MUCH better in the VM arena than snap right now. > I have been holding off anything but simple bug fixes in current, and > I'll commit the proposed (maybe) fix for that tonight (Sun.) Quick questions here (and I guess this goes back to the -stable vs. -current discussion elsewhere)... I'm running a 2.2-SNAP and not the recently released 2.1-SNAP. To which snapshot are you referring? > It has been very painful, but the VM code is better than it has ever > been (except for perhaps a few lurking bugs.) Cool, and here I thought FreeBSD's VM was already pretty much state-of-the-art in terms of speed and efficiency. :) Thanks. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 16:33:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA10890 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10875 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zap.io.org (taob@zap.io.org [198.133.36.81]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA15765; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 19:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 19:32:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: Bruce Evans cc: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: Slow tty updates and high load, but idle CPU In-Reply-To: <199606092217.IAA17796@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Bruce Evans wrote: > > It shouldn't happen, since this was fixed in -stable on 1996/01/03. That would be marvellous, since the state of the ttys after a couple of weeks of uptime is pretty much the only thing that forces a premature reboot of the shell servers around here. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 16:43:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA13524 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13507 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA10656 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:47:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: TCP/IP code wiz? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there any trivially easy way to make sure keepalive is set on all sockets on a given machine? I'm having a hellacious time on my FTP server with sessions just hanging around until the end of time. Thinking that it may be useful for other services as well, (nnrp, pop), etc, a global patch or a sysctl variable would be keenest. Has anybody done this? Anybody want to make a few bucks doing this? From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 17:17:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA17957 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17948; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA05432; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 19:17:19 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199606100017.TAA05432@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Memory leak or reporting problem in 2.2-960501-SNAP? To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 19:17:19 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Jun 9, 96 07:30:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, John S. Dyson wrote: > > > > The RSS refers to the pages mapped into the process, but those pages > > may or may not be "active." Active has to do with the in-memory > > priority (sort of). Whether or not a page is mapped has little to > > do with that. > > So what should I trust if I'm evaluating the memory load on a > server? 'ps' obviously does not account for all aspects of memory > usage. I always found the breakdown in 'top' to be quite useful, > except for this one instance showing 91M active with only ~50 httpd's > and ~20 ftpd's running. > There have been complaints from other people in this area. I am staying away from the VM system for a week or two (to let others into the playpen :-)). I have been thinking about a reliable way of showing memory loading. Generally, your system will be able to sustain a very slight amount of paging without a major performance hit (if you have placed swap on disk drives that don't have competing filesystem operations.) The problem is that the system will use as much memory as it has... So, if one measures their memory loading by looking at their active page stats, then all except the most lightly loaded systems will show essentially 100% loading. I might use some of my copious spare time, staying away from the playpen, to quickly write a rough version of the utility. There are alot of other things on my plate though. It is probably best to give the system (and other developers) a chance at the VM stuff right now, so the measurement process might be a good diversion. > > > 2.2-current is MUCH MUCH better in the VM arena than snap right now. > > I have been holding off anything but simple bug fixes in current, and > > I'll commit the proposed (maybe) fix for that tonight (Sun.) > > Quick questions here (and I guess this goes back to the -stable > vs. -current discussion elsewhere)... I'm running a 2.2-SNAP and not > the recently released 2.1-SNAP. To which snapshot are you referring? > 2.2 (current) -- I very seldom look at 2.1 (stable) (except for the cases where davidg is in a pickle, and needs another helping hand.) > > It has been very painful, but the VM code is better than it has ever > > been (except for perhaps a few lurking bugs.) > > Cool, and here I thought FreeBSD's VM was already pretty much > state-of-the-art in terms of speed and efficiency. :) Thanks. > We previously handled heavy loads very well, but we lagged the L-word (however it is spelled, with or without the G :-)) in certain aspects of single user performance. Now for forks/execs we are at parity or faster even under light load (from 2.1 to 2.2 we have speeded up forks by 3x and fork/execs by about 2x.) There is another group of people working on the code, where we should see another performance increase. I guess, no matter where one is, one can ALMOST ALWAYS do better. John From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 18:14:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA25576 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 18:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25571; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 18:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zap.io.org (taob@zap.io.org [198.133.36.81]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA16649; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 21:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 21:12:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: "John S. Dyson" cc: dyson@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Memory leak or reporting problem in 2.2-960501-SNAP? In-Reply-To: <199606100017.TAA05432@dyson.iquest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, John S. Dyson wrote: > > Generally, your system will be able to sustain a very slight amount of > paging without a major performance hit Luckily, none of the systems here page very much during normal usage, and with the way memory prices are now, it shouldn't be too difficult to keep up with demand. :) > The problem is that the system will use as much memory as it has... True, but the partitioning of memory is different, and that's what I'm interested in. I just rebooted our Web/FTP server. Here's the header from 'top', again with about 60 httpd's and 10 ftpd's running: load averages: 0.41, 0.42, 0.28 21:07:47 103 processes: 1 running, 102 sleeping Cpu states: 5.3% user, 0.0% nice, 12.9% system, 8.3% interrupt, 73.5% idle Mem: 61M Active, 1536K Inact, 19M Wired, 22M Cache, 6413K Buf, 25M Free Swap: 262M Total, 4000K Used, 258M Free, 2% Inuse This intuitively looks more "correct" than the 91M active I saw earlier, under similar load. I generally ignore the amount of cache reported, since it grows and shrinks with the amount of otherwise free memory. > Now for forks/execs we are at parity or faster even under light load > (from 2.1 to 2.2 we have speeded up forks by 3x and fork/execs by > about 2x.) There is another group of people working on the code, > where we should see another performance increase. *applause* *applause* -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 18:26:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA27805 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 18:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27772; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 18:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02692; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 20:26:28 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199606100126.UAA02692@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Memory leak or reporting problem in 2.2-960501-SNAP? To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 20:26:28 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Jun 9, 96 09:12:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > True, but the partitioning of memory is different, and that's what > I'm interested in. I just rebooted our Web/FTP server. Here's the > header from 'top', again with about 60 httpd's and 10 ftpd's running: > > load averages: 0.41, 0.42, 0.28 21:07:47 > 103 processes: 1 running, 102 sleeping > Cpu states: 5.3% user, 0.0% nice, 12.9% system, 8.3% interrupt, 73.5% idle > Mem: 61M Active, 1536K Inact, 19M Wired, 22M Cache, 6413K Buf, 25M Free > Swap: 262M Total, 4000K Used, 258M Free, 2% Inuse > > This intuitively looks more "correct" than the 91M active I saw > earlier, under similar load. I generally ignore the amount of cache > reported, since it grows and shrinks with the amount of otherwise free > memory. > I think I know what is happening now, the pageout daemon is necessary for the statistics that you are talking about to be meaningful. There is really no mechanism to show what is happening. The pages are placed onto the cache queue by the pageout daemon (or the vfs_bio) when memory is in short supply. Pages normally cycled through the buffer cache or when processes exit are left on the active queue. The "excessive" active queue numbers shouldn't clog up your system or anything evil like that. When you want to get a reasonable snapshot of your memory loading under light load conditions, run a program that loads memory for a very short while, and the system will reach an equilibrium with short term accurate statistics. John From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 18:43:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA04204 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 18:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA04195 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 18:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA08137 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 18:43:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199606100143.SAA08137@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Does FreeBSD run on s-mos cardio-486?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 18:43:08 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk http://www.smos.com/card.html Could the above become FreeMan ? 8) Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 18:52:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA07352 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 18:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.gslink.com (steve@server.gslink.com [205.157.143.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA07297; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 18:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by server.gslink.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA13467; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:03:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:03:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Schwartz To: hackers@freebsd.org cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Boot Up Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We run BSDI at work on our internet provider, so I decided to try and install FreeBSD at home on my personal computer. I went on irc and talked to a few people in #FreeBSD and they told me that it is possible to run FreeBSD along with Windows95 and WindowsNT 4.0. After that, I ftped into ftp.cdrom.com /pub/FreeBSD/2.1.0-RELEASE/src and got the boot.flp. I also got the rawrite.exe out of /pub/FreeBSD/2.1.0-RELEASE/tools. I first tried to run rawrite.exe in virgin dos. I put in the disk, but the image onto it, and then rebooted, and it gave me 'Read Error'. I thought it was a disk problem so I put it in another disk, copied the image to it also. This time, when I rebooted on it, it just sat there in the boot up. It would begin to read off of the floppy, (as if it was going to boot) but then the light would turn off, and the computer woudl just sit there. So I put that disk into the computer that was sitting next to me (my brothers) and FreeBSD bootted up perfectly. It extracted the kernal, and came to a color menu with installation options. I am trying to figure out if there is a reason why FreeBSD does not like my computer. Is there anything that would prevent it from booting? I have Windows95, WindowsNT4.0, and a free dos partition that I was going to install Linux or FreeBSD on. I have a 486/75Mhz with 8mb of ram. My brothers is a 486/66 8mb ram. I am confused what is going on. I am going to upgrade my computer to a Pentium 150mhz 16mb ram June 20th, but I want to install FreeBSD too much, and can't wait. I think it would be neat to fool around with, and help me at my job. Any information would be greatly appreciated!! ------------------------------------- Steve Schwartz -- steve@gslink.com GlobeSat Communications Inc. GSLink ISP Dept. -- Technical Support (W) 703-716-9000 (Fax) 703-716-9003 ------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 18:54:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA07894 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 18:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gandalf.me.ksu.edu (joed@gandalf.me.ksu.edu [129.130.41.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07889 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 18:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from joed@localhost) by gandalf.me.ksu.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA10885 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 20:54:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe Diehl Message-Id: <199606100154.UAA10885@gandalf.me.ksu.edu> Subject: linux_ioctl.tar.gz for 2.1.0-RELEASE To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 20:54:03 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sometime ago Amancio posted about a linux_ioctl.tar.gz package which is needed to get sound working under linux doom... My understanding is that several months ago these were added to -current, and have then probably moved on into -stable by now... But I'm not at a point I can upgrade to stable right now. Does anyone still have the linux_ioctl package sitting around somewhere? Thanks --- Joe Diehl Network and Systems Administrator KSU College of Engineering From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 19:05:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA11832 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 19:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eac.iafrica.com (slipper101135.iafrica.com [196.7.101.135]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA11785 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 19:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by eac.iafrica.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA00468; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:00:38 +0200 From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199606100200.EAA00468@eac.iafrica.com> Subject: Re: bit 7 in filenames To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:00:37 +0200 (SAT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606092329.QAA05192@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Jun 9, 96 04:29:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert wrote: > > > I'd certainly appreciate all the information you can supply, if you > > don't mind taking the trouble. I've tested a lot of Linux, Mach, > > NetBSD, and GNU DOS FS-related code in the last few months, and what is > > particularly evident is a lack of rigorous attention to detail. Besides > > that, even in the generalities, I'm such I could learn a lot from your > > experience. > > Stuff directly related to the undocumented interactions of IFS is > the intellectual property of my employer. So if it's something > that would help you build a Windows95 or WindowsNT FS, I can't > tell you. 8-(. > > The lower level BSD FS interface stuff, the lookup interface stuff, > and what is or isn't a legal DOS name, I can give you data on. > > The algorithm for name generation has been disclosed elsewhere, so > I don't feel bad about that. > > Obviously, since I've been hacking the BSD FS interface since the > late 80's, I can give you any data there as well. 8-). > > > > > The conversion to parsed-path stuctures greatly aids in use of > > > Unicode and DOS code-page interoperability... you will need to > > > incorporate a number of patches if you expect to be able to > > > support two name binding, lookup, or Unicode storage (We have a > > > UFS where we have made these modifications). > > > > Yes, this is an area in the new vfatfs implementation that still needs > > work. > > Yeah, this falls into the BSD FS interface area. Let me know what > you need on that. The big issue of Unicode vs. non-Unicode names > coexisting hinges on having the caller clean up the path structures > that it sends down to the FS instead of expecting the FS to do it > for you. I can send you the patches (or you can pull them off of > freefall -- I submitted themabout a year ago). Let me know when > you get to this. Thanks, Terry. In the short term, I'm going to be dropping the vfatfs work in favor of quick-fixing some problems in the msdosfs code. But beyond that, and when client work allows, I want to look at resolving the few remaining vfatfs design issues. I'm pretty sure the name generation algorithm is actually discussed somewhere among the MSDN stuff, though I may have seen the info elsewhere. Anyway, getting at VFAT details isn't a problem; so it would probably reduce potential non-disclosure concerns not to rely on you for those. Where advice is most likely to be useful (as in most needed) is the area of interaction with/changes to the BSD FS interface, and possibly also on some purely general (vaguely religious) principles of FS implementation (ie. choosing between alternative approaches). On that basis, I'll work towards wanting some advice in a few weeks. :) -- Robert Nordier From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 19:06:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA12056 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 19:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA11997; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 19:06:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ab21001; 10 Jun 96 2:06 GMT Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa20467; 10 Jun 96 2:32 +0100 Received: (from fhackers@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.12) id BAA18707; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:11:12 GMT Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:11:12 GMT Message-Id: <199606100111.BAA18707@jraynard.demon.co.uk> From: James Raynard To: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org CC: lada@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at, dyson@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199606092206.PAA27294@freefall.freebsd.org> (jmb@freefall.freebsd.org) Subject: Re: Breaking ffs - speed enhancement? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > at the moment that is all i have as well. OK, thanks anyway. > you all are just too much. i figure that *no one* is working lfs > here is something i can do as time allows. i collect the papers > and bang. everyone is interested in lfs. right outta nowhere. Blame it on the VM changes finally pulling together. > fine. found stevens and pendry's paper on friday. figure, well > there are all doing lfs now. i'll grab portals. fits with > security needs that i have. a lot of it is user-land, easier to > work. > > *smack* now someone is asking about portals. 8-) I did actually post here on Thursday saying I was interested in portals... > well, i have a new policy. i am going to collect material for any > section of FreeBSD i want improved. people should start working on > it within 3 days time. >-; ... but maybe I'm being a bit greedy, as I'm also working on libc (not quite as glamorous, though). Feel free to take on portals if you want. -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland | http://www.freebsd.org/~jraynard/ james@jraynard.demon.co.uk | jraynard@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 20:35:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA15486 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 20:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA15455 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 20:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA05083; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:31:03 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199606100401.NAA05083@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Does FreeBSD run on s-mos cardio-486?? To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:31:02 +0930 (CST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606100143.SAA08137@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr." at Jun 9, 96 06:43:08 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty Jr. stands accused of saying: > > http://www.smos.com/card.html > > Could the above become FreeMan ? 8) Sure. Buy me one and a set of peripherals and I'll make it work. A DX4/100 the size of a credit card is a pretty impressive thing, but the pricing is pretty harsh. > Amancio -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 9 20:53:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA22557 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 20:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA22515 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 20:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id WAA13995; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:52:20 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199606100352.WAA13995@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: TCP/IP code wiz? To: mrcpu@cdsnet.net (Jaye Mathisen) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:52:20 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Jaye Mathisen" at Jun 9, 96 04:47:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is there any trivially easy way to make sure keepalive is set on all > sockets on a given machine? I'm having a hellacious time on my FTP server > with sessions just hanging around until the end of time. > > Thinking that it may be useful for other services as well, (nnrp, pop), > etc, a global patch or a sysctl variable would be keenest. > > Has anybody done this? Anybody want to make a few bucks doing this? Hi Jaye, I did this, I submitted "sysctl" patches against 2.1R, and I don't think anyone ever committed or did anything with them, because sysctl had "changed" and I didn't have a -current system to hack on. I can probably dig up the patches, if you are interested, if you are willing to go Round Two of getting them integrated into FreeBSD's -current tree.. it is running on several of my machines. (If I sound a little exasperated, I am, since one in ten little feature patches I submit actually get applied, and it's been a really crappy week, and my tolerance is at an all time low). If you want to send me a few bucks that's fine too. I run a free public access UNIX system that is always short on resources. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 00:42:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA27463 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 00:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uu.elvisti.kiev.ua (acc0.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA27317 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 00:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.129]) by uu.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17772; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:46:36 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) id KAA16456; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:46:10 +0300 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199606100746.KAA16456@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: Need help with DDB (IPfilter 3.0.4, logging panices FreeBSD) To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:46:10 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: darrenr@cyber.com.au, stesin@elvisti.kiev.ua, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ipfilter@coombs.anu.edu.au In-Reply-To: <199606080053.KAA10626@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 8, 96 10:53:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, # bcopy (and all other functions written in assembler) doesn't set up the # frame pointer, so stack traces in it don't work right. Usually, the # previous function's args are shown as bcopy's args and the previous # function's name isn't shown. They are easy to see by examining the # stack (x/x $esp,10). Oh, thanks. Didn't know this. # >The kernel has "options DDB", no compiler optimization, # # Not even the default -O? Yes, I threw it away, being afraid to get even more strange results from the debugger. Today CPUs _are_ fast enough. :) # >config(8) had '-g' switch (note: linkage of the kernel failed with this # >switch combo; ld didn't find _memcmp symbol, why? I added libc.a to the # # memcmp is a C library function that isn't available in the kernel. I guess that with '-g' present gcc doesn't put an inline equivalent of it in the resulting code? Thanks! (I'll probably try it once more, but I hope I localized the erroneous code already. Stupid me -- why didn't I realize that "block in log body ..." never actually logged "body" for me? :( -- With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. +380 (44) 2760188 +380 (44) 2713457 +380 (44) 2713560 "You may delegate authority, but not responsibility." Frank's Management Rule #1. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 00:58:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA04439 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 00:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA04378 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 00:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA03941; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:55:24 +1000 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:55:24 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199606100755.RAA03941@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, stesin@elvisti.kiev.ua Subject: Re: Need help with DDB (IPfilter 3.0.4, logging panices FreeBSD) Cc: darrenr@cyber.com.au, hackers@freebsd.org, ipfilter@coombs.anu.edu.au Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ># memcmp is a C library function that isn't available in the kernel. > I guess that with '-g' present gcc doesn't put an inline > equivalent of it in the resulting code? No, but compiling without -O inhibits inlines. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 01:46:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA22752 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d210.ndiasb.kiev.ua (d210.ndiasb.kiev.ua [194.44.4.27]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA22207; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uu.elvisti.kiev.ua (acc0.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.132]) by d210.ndiasb.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA00390; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:46:02 +0300 Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.129]) by uu.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19216; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:45:29 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) id LAA17470; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:45:29 +0300 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199606100845.LAA17470@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: The -stable problem: my view To: narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee (Narvi) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:45:24 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, karl@mcs.com, grog@lemis.de, hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Narvi" at Jun 8, 96 12:53:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, # 2) Couldn't maintaining of stable look like: # a) The core team suggest that it would be nice if somebody would # bring feature x over to -stable. if the feature mentioned is "new" -- than -stable can't be officially called "stable" any more. If it isn't -- why waste time of those great guys who are making FreeBSD? Donate your own time to do testing if you want to get more features, isn't it Ok? -- With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. +380 (44) 2760188 +380 (44) 2713457 +380 (44) 2713560 "You may delegate authority, but not responsibility." Frank's Management Rule #1. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 02:02:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA29816 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 02:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA29785 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 02:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18724; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:49:04 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id KAA30426; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:43:31 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.Alpha.4/keltia-uucp-2.8) id KAA04920; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:25:04 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199606100825.KAA04920@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: TCP/IP code wiz? To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:25:04 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: mrcpu@cdsnet.net, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199606100352.WAA13995@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from Joe Greco at "Jun 9, 96 10:52:20 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#2093 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Joe Greco said: > I can probably dig up the patches, if you are interested, if you are willing > to go Round Two of getting them integrated into FreeBSD's -current tree.. > it is running on several of my machines. Is that parameter what you're looking for ? net.inet.tcp.always_keepalive: 0 ------------------------------------------------------------ phk 96/04/04 03:17:05 Modified: sys/netinet tcp_timer.c Log: Add a sysctl (net.inet.tcp.always_keepalive: 0) that when set will force keepalive on all tcp sessions. Setsockopt(2) cannot override this setting. Maybe another one is needed that just changes the default for SO_KEEPALIVE ? Requested by: Joe Greco Revision Changes Path 1.15 +7 -2 src/sys/netinet/tcp_timer.c ------------------------------------------------------------ -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #8: Sat Jun 8 15:07:49 MET DST 1996 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 02:56:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA20319 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 02:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.siemens.at ([192.138.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA20205; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 02:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol1.gud.siemens.co.at (sol-f.gud.siemens-austria) by proxy.siemens.at with SMTP id AA24561 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:51:51 +0200 Received: from ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at by sol1.gud.siemens.co.at with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7 for ) id m0uT3dX-000210C; Mon, 10 Jun 96 11:51 MET DST Received: by ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at (1.37.109.16/1.37) id AA244850291; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:51:31 +0200 From: "Hr.Ladavac" Message-Id: <199606100951.AA244850291@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at> Subject: Re: Breaking ffs - speed enhancement? To: fhackers@jraynard.demon.co.uk (James Raynard) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:51:31 +0200 (MESZ) Cc: terry@lambert.org, dyson@freebsd.org, jehamby@lightside.com, bde@zeta.org.au, dufault%hda@sel1.zit.th-darmstadt.de, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606070242.CAA02710@jraynard.demon.co.uk> from "James Raynard" at Jun 7, 96 02:42:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In his e-mail James Raynard wrote: > > Actually I was thinking about jumping in, but on portals, as I've just > read a paper on it and thought it seemed quite interesting (I found it > somewhere under http://www.noao.edu/~rstevens/, BTW). > > On the other hand, if there's going to be a "team assault" on > LFS... 8-) Portals are great. Especially since I have a ClearCase clone that works with symlinks, and which would benefit immensely from a working portal interface. Can you say MVFS? I thought you could :) There is no end of things one can achieve with a working portalfs. This leads to another point. It seems to me that there will be some co-op work on (new) filesystems under FreeBSD. How about freebsd-fs mailing list? /Marino > > -- > James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland | http://freefall.freebsd.org/~jraynard/ > james@jraynard.demon.co.uk | jraynard@freebsd.org > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 04:57:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA07838 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DATAPLEX.NET (SHARK.DATAPLEX.NET [199.183.109.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA07812 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 199.183.109.242 by DATAPLEX.NET with SMTP (MailShare 1.0fc5); Mon, 10 Jun 1996 06:55:43 -0600 Message-ID: Date: 10 Jun 1996 06:55:22 -0500 From: "Richard Wackerbarth" Subject: Re(2): Re(2): The naming of branches To: "FreeBSD Hackers" Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" X-Mailer: Mail*Link PT/Internet 1.6.0 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In a dialog with Rodney Grimes: > I have no problem with that, but sending this to me in private email is > not going to get it to happen, I am not the repository manager, this needs > to be on the list or it won't happen.... I recognize that private e-mail (unless perhaps with the "person in charge") is not going to cause changes. However, I also prefer using private e-mail when continuing a discussion and only posting summaries that may be of general interest.. Therefore, I post this summary: I my discussion with Rodney Grimmes about the history of the naming conventions in the cvs tree, I commented that I thought that the name "2_1" was more appropriate than "2_1_0" for the "head" of the 2.1 branch because that branch includes 2.1.0, 2.1.1, 2.1.2, etc. To this he replied: > > > That is up to the CVS manager and release team to decide, > > > but the rational of having them be a tuple is that they are > > > all the same length and it makes it quite easy to see the _BP, > > > _RELEASE, _ALPHA, etc no matter what level you are at. > > > > In that case call it "2_1_X". It is confusing to be looking for > > something that comes after 2.1.5 and find it under 2.1.0. > > I have no problem with that, but sending this to me in private email is > not going to get it to happen, I am not the repository manager, this needs > to be on the list or it won't happen.... -- Richard Wackerbarth rkw@dataplex.net -- ...computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and weigh only 1/2 tons. -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 05:44:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA28219 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 05:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA28193 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 05:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA19513 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 05:43:53 -0700 (PDT) To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Any remaining installation wish-list items out there? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 05:43:53 -0700 Message-ID: <19511.834410633@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In case it wasn't already evident by the recent spate of hacking in /usr/src/release/sysinstall, I'm sort of planning on sweeping up the last of the outstanding problems/issues with this utility and retiring it in peace. Yes, I know I've been threatening to retire it for over a year now, but there were just too many problems with it for me to be able to set it aside with a clear conscience up to now, and the last round of improvements bringing me pretty close to "satisfied" with the state of it and ready to resume work on setup. So, if there's anything about the state of sysinstall that really annoys you (or an enhancement you think would really be worth its weight), please speak up now! Enhancement suggestions with accompanying diffs most cheerfully accepted of all! :-) Thanks.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 06:14:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA05697 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 06:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.iafrica.com (root@chain.iafrica.com [196.7.74.174]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA05594 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 06:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by chain.iafrica.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA00816; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:56:50 +0200 (SAT) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:56:48 +0200 (SAT) From: Root Dude To: Robert Nordier cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bit 7 in filenames In-Reply-To: <199606091919.VAA00223@eac.iafrica.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Robert Nordier wrote: >What I have in mind is a series of fixes to correct the most serious >problems: mostly those that actually result in corruption to the >DOS FS or ffs. I lost my entire var partition due to a particularly nasty bit of accessing a partition that had Disk Manager on it :-( >This is really intended just as a stop-gap measure, as the fundamental >design of the msdosfs is seriously broken in all sorts of ways. Now you tell me ;-) >Most of the code for the new msdosfs (now `vfatfs') is complete, Is it in -current already ? Regards, Khetan Gajjar. --- Visit me at http://www.iafrica.com/~khetan/ UUNet-Internet Africa Operations help@iafrica.com or 0800-030-002 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 06:59:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA14569 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 06:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pancake.remcomp.fr (root@pancake.remcomp.fr [194.51.30.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA14522 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 06:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zapata.omnix.fr.org (zapata [128.127.10.1]) by zapata.omnix.fr.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA12660 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:27:36 +0200 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:27:35 +0200 (MET DST) From: didier@omnix.fr.org To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: firewall (ipfw) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The company I'm working for plan to install a permanent acces to internet through an analogic leased line and two 32kb modems. to protect our application in plan to install the firewall builtin FreeBSD I've never used ipfw and I dont have any experience with firewalls. could you tell me how I could set up this machine thanks for your help -- Didier Derny | My computer is Microsoft Free... didier@omnix.fr.org | FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE site From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 07:00:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA14815 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA14486; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 06:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA09703; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:55:00 +0300 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:54:59 +0300 (EET DST) From: Narvi To: "Andrew V. Stesin" cc: hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The -stable problem: my view In-Reply-To: <199606100845.LAA17470@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk CC list trimmed a bit... On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Andrew V. Stesin wrote: > Hi, > > # 2) Couldn't maintaining of stable look like: > # a) The core team suggest that it would be nice if somebody would > # bring feature x over to -stable. > > if the feature mentioned is "new" -- than -stable can't be > officially called "stable" any more. If it isn't -- why waste > time of those great guys who are making FreeBSD? Donate your > own time to do testing if you want to get more > features, isn't it Ok? The whole idea of this statement was quite simple I think - that the core-team wouldn't waste their time on -stable, but would just suggest that a given feature (I don't mean this kernel or userland patch or other) should be brought over to -stable. After which the person (or persons) would do it in their own time. The things wouldn't be new (but already somewhat tested out in -current) and certainly nothing would be commited before it has been tested out. Sander > > -- > > With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. > > +380 (44) 2760188 +380 (44) 2713457 +380 (44) 2713560 > > "You may delegate authority, but not responsibility." > Frank's Management Rule #1. > From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 07:14:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA16610 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.siemens.at (proxy.siemens.at [192.138.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA16450; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol1.gud.siemens.co.at (sol-f.gud.siemens-austria) by proxy.siemens.at with SMTP id AA11332 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:12:27 +0200 Received: from ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at by sol1.gud.siemens.co.at with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7 for ) id m0uT7hi-0001zPC; Mon, 10 Jun 96 16:12 MET DST Received: by ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at (1.37.109.16/1.37) id AA062675927; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:12:07 +0200 From: "Hr.Ladavac" Message-Id: <199606101412.AA062675927@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at> Subject: Re: Breaking ffs - speed enhancement? To: gpalmer@freebsd.org (Gary Palmer) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:12:07 +0200 (MESZ) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <21463.834407438@palmer.demon.co.uk> from "Gary Palmer" at Jun 10, 96 12:50:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In his e-mail Gary Palmer wrote: > > "Hr.Ladavac" wrote in message ID > <199606100951.AA244850291@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at>: > > Portals are great. Especially since I have a ClearCase clone that works > > with symlinks, and which would benefit immensely from a working portal > > interface. Can you say MVFS? I thought you could :) There is no end of > > things one can achieve with a working portalfs. > > May I ask what you feel is missing/broken from Portals? (I haven't > read the paper, but I have worked on improving our portal FS already) Well, all I've seen is what I've seen in the manpage and sources. I did not actually test it, but I think one needs the ability to add more than /p/ip and /p/unix (whatever they are named.) I'd like to use it as a clone of Atria MVFS and ClearAudit. Naturally, my portal daemon will have to do that, somehow. Since I did not test it, do the portals work, and from which OS version onwards? > > > This leads to another point. It seems to me that there will be some > > co-op work on (new) filesystems under FreeBSD. How about freebsd-fs > > mailing list? > > There is one already I think :-) Shall we move there, then? /Marino > > Gary > -- > Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member > FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info > From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 07:26:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA24123 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shogun.tdktca.com ([206.26.1.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA24100 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shogun.tdktca.com (daemon@localhost) by shogun.tdktca.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with ESMTP id JAA07631 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:27:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from orion.fa.tdktca.com ([163.49.131.130]) by shogun.tdktca.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id JAA07624 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:27:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from orion (alex@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.fa.tdktca.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA19217; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:32:45 -0500 Message-ID: <31BC320C.3454CA09@fa.tdktca.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:32:44 -0500 From: Alex Nash Organization: TDK Factory Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; Linux 1.2.13 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: didier@omnix.fr.org CC: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: firewall (ipfw) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk didier@omnix.fr.org wrote: > > The company I'm working for plan to install a permanent acces to internet > through an analogic leased line and two 32kb modems. > > to protect our application in plan to install the firewall builtin FreeBSD > > I've never used ipfw and I dont have any experience with firewalls. > > could you tell me how I could set up this machine >From /etc/rc.firewall (in -current): # If you don't know enough about packet filtering, we suggest that you # take time to read this book: # # Building Internet Firewalls # Brent Chapman and Elizabeth Zwicky # # O'Reilly & Associates, Inc # ISBN 1-56592-124-0 # # For a more advanced treatment of Internet Security read: # # Firewalls & Internet Security # Repelling the wily hacker # William R. Cheswick, Steven M. Bellowin # # Addison-Wesley # ISBN 0-201-6337-4 There is also an excellent firewall discussion in the handbook. See section 6.4, currently available at: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook71.html#73 Note that the syntax of ipfw has changed from that documented in the handbook (I'm working on it, really!). To get acquainted with the new syntax: - type ipfw without any arguments to see the usage - look at ipfw(8) <-- I'm fixing this one too - and peruse /etc/rc.firewall in -current. BTW, this probably should be moved to freebsd-security. Alternatively, I'd be happy to discuss this with you off-line. Alex From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 07:28:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA25382 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fgate.flevel.co.uk (fgate.flevel.co.uk [194.6.101.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA25012 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dev@localhost) by fgate.flevel.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA15651 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:30:15 +0100 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:30:14 +0100 (BST) From: Developer To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 64 bit IP addresses? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I was wondering if there were any plans to support 64 bit IP addresses within FreeBSD and if anyone know how viable it would be to use the new larger 64 bit addresses on a FreeBSD based network? Please could people reply by email to: dev@flevel.co.uk Thanks very much. Trefor S. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 07:34:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA00274 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from novell.com (prv-ums.Provo.Novell.COM [137.65.40.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA00237; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from INET-PRV-Message_Server by fromGW with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:34:36 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:40:12 -0600 From: DARREND@novell.com (Darren Davis) To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Ahhhhhhhhhh! Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk There is too much noise, I think I need a straight jacket! I came back to my email from the weekend, and I had over 400 hundred emails. All this is just two days! Most are from the FreeBSD mailing lists. I can't keep up with this! There needs to be a better way. I must admit some of my problems with managing my email are due to the tools I am unfortunately forced to use. (Hey Terry, remember GroupWise under Unix?) For those of you who have not experienced GroupWise, take my recommendation DON'T! What are the thoughts on breaking this stuff out of mail lists and into news groups? (At least there I can use kill files to eliminate the noise.) Or, must I suffer this fate? Any suggestions on how to manage this much email? Jordan, how do you deal with all this traffic? Thanks for letting me make some noise about the noise. Darren From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 07:51:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA10256 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA10215; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uu.elvisti.kiev.ua (acc0.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.132]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id HAA22754; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.129]) by uu.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28288; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:41:11 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) id RAA11918; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:41:11 +0300 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199606101441.RAA11918@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: The -stable problem: my view To: narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee (Narvi) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:41:10 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: stesin@elvisti.kiev.ua, hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Narvi" at Jun 10, 96 04:54:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk # # CC list trimmed a bit... # Thanks, sorry, I didn't mention. # > if the feature mentioned is "new" -- than -stable can't be # > officially called "stable" any more. If it isn't -- why waste # > time of those great guys who are making FreeBSD? Donate your # > own time to do testing if you want to get more # > features, isn't it Ok? # # The whole idea of this statement was quite simple I think - that the # core-team wouldn't waste their time on -stable, but would just suggest # that a given feature (I don't mean this kernel or userland patch or # other) should be brought over to -stable. After which the person (or # persons) would do it in their own time. The things wouldn't be new (but # already somewhat tested out in -current) and certainly nothing would be # commited before it has been tested out. No, I meant that anything more than a "simple bugfixes" as a post-release branch will take way more efforts from the men who are actually taking care of that source tree. What for if nobody pays? This isn't "fun", as many persons already mentioned. And if you, an me, and whoever else, overall -- more than a half of the FreeBSD user community, 2/3 probably -- will spend time on backporting features from -current to "stable", who on the Earth will do a thorough testing of -current itself? The overall progress of FreeBSD will be slowed down, 'cause no way for -current to become really stable and clean until "-stable" is alive. That's what I meant. -- With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. +380 (44) 2760188 +380 (44) 2713457 +380 (44) 2713560 "You may delegate authority, but not responsibility." Frank's Management Rule #1. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 08:55:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA20384 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20358; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id IAA24333; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA10857; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:48:23 +0300 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:48:23 +0300 (EET DST) From: Narvi To: "Andrew V. Stesin" cc: stesin@elvisti.kiev.ua, hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The -stable problem: my view In-Reply-To: <199606101441.RAA11918@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Andrew V. Stesin wrote: > # > # CC list trimmed a bit... > # > Thanks, sorry, I didn't mention. > > # > if the feature mentioned is "new" -- than -stable can't be > # > officially called "stable" any more. If it isn't -- why waste > # > time of those great guys who are making FreeBSD? Donate your > # > own time to do testing if you want to get more > # > features, isn't it Ok? > # > # The whole idea of this statement was quite simple I think - that the > # core-team wouldn't waste their time on -stable, but would just suggest > # that a given feature (I don't mean this kernel or userland patch or > # other) should be brought over to -stable. After which the person (or > # persons) would do it in their own time. The things wouldn't be new (but > # already somewhat tested out in -current) and certainly nothing would be > # commited before it has been tested out. > > No, I meant that anything more than a "simple bugfixes" as a > post-release branch will take way more efforts from the men who > are actually taking care of that source tree. What for if nobody > pays? This isn't "fun", as many persons already mentioned. > > And if you, an me, and whoever else, overall -- more than a > half of the FreeBSD user community, 2/3 probably -- will spend > time on backporting features from -current to "stable", who on the > Earth will do a thorough testing of -current itself? > The overall progress of FreeBSD will be slowed down, 'cause > no way for -current to become really stable and clean until "-stable" > is alive. > > That's what I meant. Sure. My approach is the "conservative" one. If that what I suggested would be called a rule system, then there surely was a rule for the case -stable didn't move on fast enough. And it will move fast enough only if there are people *willing* to deal -stable. -stable can't and never will replace -current (at least IMHO). But anything released surely should be stable... Sander > > -- > > With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. > > +380 (44) 2760188 +380 (44) 2713457 +380 (44) 2713560 > > "You may delegate authority, but not responsibility." > Frank's Management Rule #1. > From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 10:04:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA25031 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from covina.lightside.com (covina.lightside.com [198.81.209.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA25011 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by covina.lightside.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uTANb-0004K6C; Mon, 10 Jun 96 10:03 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:03:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Jake Hamby To: Darren Davis cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Darren Davis wrote: > > What are the thoughts on breaking this stuff out of mail lists and into > news groups? (At least there I can use kill files to eliminate the noise.) > Or, must I suffer this fate? Any suggestions on how to manage this much > email? Jordan, how do you deal with all this traffic? > > Thanks for letting me make some noise about the noise. > > Darren I would also like to know what tools (under Unix) are available to break up incoming mail by mailing list. Right now I'm using pine (no jokes, please, it's a good mail program!) and it puts a + sign by personal messages, but is there any way to split individual mailing lists into different folders? Can MH do this (I tried it *briefly* but didn't look at all of the MANY options). Please reply personally, I don't want to clog up hackers unnecessarily. ---Jake From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 10:14:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA25494 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cd.iidpwr.com ([204.33.177.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA25484 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tam@localhost) by cd.iidpwr.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA10531 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:17:22 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:17:22 -0700 From: Tony Tam Message-Id: <199606101717.KAA10531@cd.iidpwr.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk FreeBSD hackers, Good morning, FreeBSD hackers. I would like some help on DigiBoard PC/Xe. I am using FreeBSD-2.1.0-RELEASE. I compiled my kernel with the following option: device dgb0 at isa? port 0x320 iomem 0xfc0000 iosiz ? tty Following messages comes up when I am trying to boot my FreeBSD with the above option: dgb0: port 0x320 mem 0xfc0000 dgb0: got reset after 0 us dgb0: PC/Xe 64/8K (windowed) dgb0 at 0x320-0x323 maddr 0xfc0000 msize 8192 on isa dgb0: internal memory segment 0xf000 dgb0: got reset after 0 us dgb0: switched to window 0x0 dgb0: switched to window 0x7 dgb0: switched to window 0x7 dgb0: switched to window 0x0 dgb0: switched to window 0x0 dgb0: reset dropped after 0 us dgb0: switched to window 0x0 dgb0: BIOS download failed dgb0: Error#(0x0,0x0) code=0x0 Yours truly, Tony Tam +------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Tony Tam | Imperial Irrigation District | | Imperial Irrigation District | 333 E. Barioni Blvd. | | email: tam@cd.iidpwr.com | P.O. BOX 937 | | tel: (619) 339 9454 | Imperial, CA 92251 | | fax: (619) 339 9189 | U.S.A. | +------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 10:18:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA25753 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.internet.com (yipee-p.internet.com [198.183.190.115]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25732; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oneida.internet.com (oneida.internet.com [198.183.190.138]) by mail.internet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16981; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from reichert@localhost) by oneida.internet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA27079; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:18:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Reichert Message-Id: <199606101718.NAA27079@oneida.internet.com> Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: reichert@internet.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From: DARREND@novell.com (Darren Davis) > > There is too much noise, I think I need a straight jacket! > > I came back to my email from the weekend, and I had over 400 hundred emails. > All this is just two days! Most are from the FreeBSD mailing lists. > I can't keep up with this! There needs to be a better way. I must admit > some of my problems with managing my email are due to the tools I am unfortunately > forced to use. (Hey Terry, remember GroupWise under Unix?) For those > of you who have not experienced GroupWise, take my recommendation DON'T! > > What are the thoughts on breaking this stuff out of mail lists and into > news groups? (At least there I can use kill files to eliminate the noise.) > Or, must I suffer this fate? Any suggestions on how to manage this much > email? Jordan, how do you deal with all this traffic? Actaally, I've got a mail-list management issue that is certainly interesting: Long ago, I took to using procmail to break out my mail upon delivery to various folders. I noted that several times _daily_ that procmail was dropping core. Well, I hacked procmail to requeue the mail upon a segfault, and after a few days, guess what I found? Seventy-nine mail messages from hackers, bugs, and stable ! I haven't gone pawing through debuggers to see what the issue is, but will have to if I want my mail to be delivered. Have anyone else seen wierd behaviour from this? I note that even with with all of the debugging stuff turned on, the resulting core file died way out in a library somewhere... For what it's worth, I'm running 2.1R and procmail v3.10. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 10:24:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA26292 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26278; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA27086; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:24:16 +0200 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA04941 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:23:39 +0200 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA24912 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:04:02 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.12/8.6.6) id XAA04500; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:36:12 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199606092136.XAA04500@yedi.iaf.nl> X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands Subject: Re: Breaking ffs - speed enhancement? To: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:36:12 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: lada@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199606091911.MAA08752@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Jun 9, 96 12:11:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jonathan M. Bresler wrote... > > > i have collected a number of papers describing LFS for my > > > own edification. i can mail them out or put them up for > > > ftp. anyone interested? > > > > And what about putting them somewhere on the release CDs? I suppose there > > is some space to put 'm? > > i dont know if that is legal. some of the papers are from the > various usenix conferences. others were published in other > magazines, etc.....i fear that we would have to contact all > the authors for permission. > > i dont know the restrictions and legalities involved. How unfortunate.. :( _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 10:24:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA26332 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26325 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA17083 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:24:13 -0700 Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id SAA22423; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:21:12 +0100 (BST) To: Developer cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: 64 bit IP addresses? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:30:14 BST." Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:21:11 +0100 Message-ID: <22421.834427271@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Developer wrote in message ID : > I was wondering if there were any plans to support 64 bit IP addresses > within FreeBSD and if anyone know how viable it would be to use the new > larger 64 bit addresses on a FreeBSD based network? 64 bit addressing == IPv6. To the best of my knowledge, no-one is using IPv6 except for testing and development. There are several IPv6 implimentations available for FreeBSD, but at this time there are no immediate plans for incorporation of IPv6 features into FreeBSD. If you want to experiment with IPv6, a quick search of our list archives (or, alternatively, AltaVista) will turn up the v6 implimentations available for FTP that support FreeBSD. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 10:30:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA26768 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26763 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA09243; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:29:56 -0600 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:29:56 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199606101729.LAA09243@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: reichert@internet.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! In-Reply-To: <199606101718.NAA27079@oneida.internet.com> References: <199606101718.NAA27079@oneida.internet.com> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Reichert writes: > Long ago, I took to using procmail to break out my mail upon delivery to > various folders. I noted that several times _daily_ that procmail was > dropping core. > > Well, I hacked procmail to requeue the mail upon a segfault, and after a few > days, guess what I found? > > Seventy-nine mail messages from hackers, bugs, and stable ! > > I haven't gone pawing through debuggers to see what the issue is, but will > have to if I want my mail to be delivered. > > Have anyone else seen wierd behaviour from this? I note that even with with > all of the debugging stuff turned on, the resulting core file died way out > in a library somewhere... Hmm, never. Maybe I've been lucky, but I've never had *any* problems with procmail that weren't operator error (like moving the binary and not updating my .forward, creating bogus .procmailrc files). > For what it's worth, I'm running 2.1R and procmail v3.10. I was running 3.10 for quite a while, but upgraded to a newer version earlier this year. procmail v3.11pre3 However, I know that many other people who use procmail also have had problems. I guess I'm just lucky! Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 10:47:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA27829 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seine.cs.UMD.EDU (seine.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.59]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27824 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by seine.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00753; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606101747.NAA00753@seine.cs.UMD.EDU> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Routing Protocols Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:47:03 -0400 From: Rohit Dube Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I was wondering if there are any free implementations of the following (native FreeBSD or otherwise). a) RIP / IGRP / OSPF b) BGP / EGP c) MOSPF / DVMRP / PIM d) SNMP e) IPv6 f) RSVP THANKS in advance. --rohit. PS: Some of this might be obvious but I am still putting together my FreeBSD machine. Please bear with me. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 11:14:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA29422 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org ([207.40.47.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA29417 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nightmare (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [206.230.42.65]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA29311 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:11:44 -0600 Message-ID: <31BC655F.500F9F30@ics.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:11:44 -0600 From: Gary Aitken X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: dns failure Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On a system acting as a gateway, I'm suddenly getting the following message logged for dns searches : named[78]: ns_req: no address for root server nslookup for an arbitrary system will fail with: *** localhost.dreamchaser.org can't find ics.com: Server failed dig shows: ; <<>> DiG 2.1 <<>> ics.com ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch ;; got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 6 ;; flags: qr rd ra; Ques: 1, Ans: 0, Auth: 0, Addit: 0 ;; QUESTIONS: ;; ics.com, type = A, class = IN Yet ping, traceroute, and everything else seem to work just fine from the machine. The dns failures prevent any other machine on the local ethernet from getting out. Explicitly asking nslookup or dig to use some other non-local name server works. Can anyone give me some hints on what's going on? -- Gary Aitken garya@ics.com (business) garya@dreamchaser.org (personal) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 11:24:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA00251 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00246 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA17484 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:20:20 -0700 Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id TAA22601; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:17:26 +0100 (BST) To: Rohit Dube cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Routing Protocols In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:47:03 EDT." <199606101747.NAA00753@seine.cs.UMD.EDU> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:17:25 +0100 Message-ID: <22599.834430645@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rohit Dube wrote in message ID <199606101747.NAA00753@seine.cs.UMD.EDU>: > a) RIP / IGRP / OSPF routed / gated / gated (gated is in ports, routed is in the base system. The routed in -stable (and every -RELEASE to date) only does RIP v1, the one in -current does RIP v2. Gated also does both v1 and v2 RIP AFAIR) > b) BGP / EGP gated / gated > c) MOSPF / DVMRP / PIM dunno / mrouted / dunno (mrouted is in the base system) > d) SNMP Work in progress (hopefully a port real soon now). A past port of CMU's SNMP should be on ftp.freebsd.org somewhere I believe (or it used to be). If you have the CDROM of 2.1.0-RELEASE, it's in the `xperimnt' distribution. > e) IPv6 Several implimentations available. See mail archives or do a web search to find them. > f) RSVP Rings a bell, but I can't remember why :-( Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 11:30:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA00659 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irbs.irbs.com ([199.182.75.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00650 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.irbs.com (8.7.5/8.6.6) id OAA02107; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:28:35 -0400 (EDT) From: John Capo Message-Id: <199606101828.OAA02107@irbs.irbs.com> Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! To: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Cc: reichert@internet.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199606101729.LAA09243@rocky.sri.MT.net> from Nate Williams at "Jun 10, 96 11:29:56 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams writes: > > Hmm, never. Maybe I've been lucky, but I've never had *any* problems > with procmail that weren't operator error (like moving the binary and > not updating my .forward, creating bogus .procmailrc files). > > > For what it's worth, I'm running 2.1R and procmail v3.10. > > I was running 3.10 for quite a while, but upgraded to a newer version > earlier this year. > > procmail v3.11pre3 > > However, I know that many other people who use procmail also have had > problems. I guess I'm just lucky! > I've been running procmail v3.11pre3 as the local delivery agent for over a year and its wonderful. Never seen it dump core. John Capo jc@irbs.com IRBS Engineering FreeBSD Servers and Workstations (954) 792-9551 Unix/Internet Consulting - ISP Solutions From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 11:37:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA01214 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tippy.cybernet.com (tippy.cybernet.com [192.245.33.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01208 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pcobb@localhost) by tippy.cybernet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA10344; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:35:29 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.4-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: pcobb@cybernet.com From: "Paul N. Cobb" To: Jake Hamby Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! Cc: Darren Davis , hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 10-Jun-96 Jake Hamby wrote: >>On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Darren Davis wrote: >> >> What are the thoughts on breaking this stuff out of mail lists and into >> news groups? (At least there I can use kill files to eliminate the noise.) >> Or, must I suffer this fate? Any suggestions on how to manage this much >> email? Jordan, how do you deal with all this traffic? >> >> Thanks for letting me make some noise about the noise. >> >> Darren > >I would also like to know what tools (under Unix) are available to break >up incoming mail by mailing list. Right now I'm using pine (no jokes, >please, it's a good mail program!) and it puts a + sign by personal >messages, but is there any way to split individual mailing lists into >different folders? Can MH do this (I tried it *briefly* but didn't look >at all of the MANY options). Please reply personally, I don't want to >clog up hackers unnecessarily. > >---Jake Use xfmail, it has rules to separate mail into different folders It's great. All point and click, real easy to use. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Cobb Research Engineer pcobb@cybernet.com Cybernet Systems Corp. (313)668-2567 Ann Arbor, MI 'Is this a special moment or should we be disturbed?' - The Tick ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 11:41:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA01638 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rk.ios.com (rk.ios.com [198.4.75.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01630 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rashid@localhost) by rk.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA14884; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:39:16 -0400 From: Rashid Karimov Message-Id: <199606101839.OAA14884@rk.ios.com> Subject: Re: Routing Protocols To: rohit@cs.UMD.EDU (Rohit Dube) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199606101747.NAA00753@seine.cs.UMD.EDU> from "Rohit Dube" at Jun 10, 96 01:47:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi, > > I was wondering if there are any free implementations of the > following (native FreeBSD or otherwise). > > a) RIP / IGRP / OSPF > b) BGP / EGP > c) MOSPF / DVMRP / PIM > d) SNMP > e) IPv6 > f) RSVP RIP OSPF ISIS EGP BGP - try gated ( well , it's the only one). www.merit.edu should have links to the source. This is de-facto standard in Internet today and works just fine on FreeBSD. Rashid. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 11:47:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA02174 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02167 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id NAA14787; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:45:59 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199606101845.NAA14787@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: 64 bit IP addresses? To: dev@fgate.flevel.co.uk (Developer) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:45:59 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Developer" at Jun 10, 96 03:30:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I was wondering if there were any plans to support 64 bit IP addresses > within FreeBSD and if anyone know how viable it would be to use the new > larger 64 bit addresses on a FreeBSD based network? > > Please could people reply by email to: dev@flevel.co.uk > > Thanks very much. How about the new larger IPv6 128 bit addresses? ... JG From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 11:56:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA02877 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp ([131.113.32.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA02741 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.4Wbeta3) id DAA28179; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 03:55:23 +0900 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 03:55:23 +0900 Message-Id: <199606101855.DAA28179@frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: ohashi@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp Subject: New character device number wanted. (IBM Smart Capture PCMCIA) From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.18PL3] 1994-08/01(Mon) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I'm maintainer of FreeBSD PC-card package. We want a new Character Device number for our new driver "scc" (IBM Smart Capture Card PCMCIA I/II). This driver will be available soon (maybe at our next release of PC-card package). Please allocate a new character device number for this device. Thank you. -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html Department of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 12:03:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04421 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seine.cs.UMD.EDU (seine.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.59]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04416 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by seine.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01502; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606101903.PAA01502@seine.cs.UMD.EDU> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Routing Protocols In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:36:57 CDT." <199606101836.NAA08541@enteract.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:03:48 -0400 From: Rohit Dube Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -------- On Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:36:57 -0500 (CDT) tqbf@enteract.com writes: =>> f) RSVP => =>What's RSVP? => ____ RSVP stands for Resource ReServation Protocol. It is a protocol which seeks to provide QoS guarantees over the internet, mostly for multicast type traffic. As one would guess, this is a carryover from the ATM world. --rohit. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 12:08:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA05197 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from battra.telebase.com (root@battra.telebase.com [192.132.57.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05180 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wormhole.telebase.com by battra.telebase.com id PAA27464; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from odo.telebase.com (root@odo.telebase.com [172.16.2.217]) by wormhole.telebase.com (8.7.3/8.6.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA04238; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bmc@localhost) by odo.telebase.com (8.7.5/8.6.9.1) id PAA06231; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606101908.PAA06231@telebase.com.> From: Brian Clapper To: DARREND@novell.com (Darren Davis) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! In-Reply-To: <108976225@toto.iv> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Darren" == Darren Davis writes: Darren> What are the thoughts on breaking this stuff out of mail lists and Darren> into news groups? (At least there I can use kill files to Darren> eliminate the noise.) Or, must I suffer this fate? Any Darren> suggestions on how to manage this much email? Jordan, how do you Darren> deal with all this traffic? My solution is to digest the stuff here through Majordomo, since the `freebsd.org' mailing lists aren't "digested" at the source. Throw majordomo up on a Unix box, create a local digest for each list in question, and subscribe that digest to the FreeBSD list. Then, subscribe yourself to your local digest. You're in control of Majordomo, so you can control how often the queued messages are compiled into a digest and shipped out. Set the threshold higher for really busy lists. Run a cron-driven shell script each night to ensure that the digests get built at least once a day. This approach has worked very well for us for more than a year. We use local mailing lists for a lot of Internet lists, partly to minimize traffic to our mailer (i.e., every one who's interested can subscribe to the local mailing list "exploder", rather than the real list), and partly to permit us to make digests out of lists that aren't digested. Or the FreeBSD guys can make digest versions of all the existing lists. Whatever. ---- Brian Clapper .............................................. bmc@telebase.com http://www.netaxs.com/~bmc/ ............. PGP public key available on request The attacker must vanquish; the defender need only survive. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 12:09:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA05416 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from battra.telebase.com (root@battra.telebase.com [192.132.57.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05409 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wormhole.telebase.com by battra.telebase.com id PAA27599; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from odo.telebase.com (root@odo.telebase.com [172.16.2.217]) by wormhole.telebase.com (8.7.3/8.6.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA04249; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bmc@localhost) by odo.telebase.com (8.7.5/8.6.9.1) id PAA06243; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606101909.PAA06243@telebase.com.> From: Brian Clapper To: Jake Hamby Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! In-Reply-To: <132673441@toto.iv> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Jake" == Jake Hamby writes: Jake> I would also like to know what tools (under Unix) are available to Jake> break up incoming mail by mailing list. Right now I'm using pine (no Jake> jokes, please, it's a good mail program!) and it puts a + sign by Jake> personal messages, but is there any way to split individual mailing Jake> lists into different folders? Can MH do this (I tried it *briefly* Jake> but didn't look at all of the MANY options). Please reply Jake> personally, I don't want to clog up hackers unnecessarily. Look at the `filter' program that's part of the `elm' distribution. ---- Brian Clapper .............................................. bmc@telebase.com http://www.netaxs.com/~bmc/ ............. PGP public key available on request I don't like spinach, and I'm glad I don't, because if I liked it I'd eat it, and I just hate it. -- Clarence Darrow From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 12:16:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA05920 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05915 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from woodlawn.uchicago.edu (root@woodlawn.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.9]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA20746; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:15:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from woodlawn.uchicago.edu (csdayton@localhost.uchicago.edu [127.0.0.1]) by woodlawn.uchicago.edu (8.7.1/8.7.2) with ESMTP id OAA04086; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:16:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199606101916.OAA04086@woodlawn.uchicago.edu> In-reply-to: Nate Williams's message of Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:29:56 -0600 To: Nate Williams cc: hackers@freebsd.org, reichert@internet.com Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! Reply-To: csdayton@midway.uchicago.edu References: <199606101718.NAA27079@oneida.internet.com> <199606101729.LAA09243@rocky.sri.MT.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:16:54 CDT From: Soren Dayton Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Brian Reichert writes: > > Long ago, I took to using procmail to break out my mail upon delivery to > > various folders. I noted that several times _daily_ that procmail was > > dropping core. procmail did not work reliably on BSD 4.4 until the 3.11 prereleases..... Or so says the author Soren From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 12:21:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA06613 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU (root@premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.33.172]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA06603; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU (localhost.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA22766; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:21:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199606101921.MAA22766@premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: "Gary Palmer" cc: Rohit Dube , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Routing Protocols In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:17:25 BST." <22599.834430645@palmer.demon.co.uk> From: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-to: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:21:21 -0700 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Caveat: I'm not too savvy about the FreeBSD-specific aspects (e.g. ports vs. packages, specific version numbers with FreeBSD, etc.). "Gary Palmer" writes: > Rohit Dube wrote in message ID > > c) MOSPF / DVMRP / PIM > > dunno / mrouted / dunno PIM: Some folks on the mbone list were talking about dense mode PIM in a beta version of gated-3.5. > > e) IPv6 > > Several implimentations available. See mail archives or do a web > search to find them. http://playground.sun.com/pub/ipng/html/ipng-main.html > > f) RSVP > > Rings a bell, but I can't remember why :-( It's not a routing protocol, it's a resource ReSerVation Protocol. Not widely deployed (yet). I think that prototype implementations come with the newer *source* distributions of IP multicast. Cheers, Bruce. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 12:25:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07329 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07303 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id VAA21636 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:24:21 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA27511 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:24:20 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA05140 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:04:44 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199606101904.VAA05140@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Any remaining installation wish-list items out there? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:04:44 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <19511.834410633@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Jun 10, 96 05:43:53 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > In case it wasn't already evident by the recent spate of hacking in > /usr/src/release/sysinstall, I'm sort of planning on sweeping up the > last of the outstanding problems/issues with this utility and retiring > it in peace. The ``garbage on screen'' bug i just mentioned in another mail. (Leftover libdialog garbage when the partition editor is called.) It was at least still around in the 05/01 SNAP CDROM i've just received a couple of days ago. (I had to install it as a hardware test suite immediately upon receipt. :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 12:26:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07456 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07435 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id VAA21658; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:24:31 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA27524; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:24:31 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA05365; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:17:14 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199606101917.VAA05365@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Re(2): Re(2): The naming of branches To: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:17:14 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from Richard Wackerbarth at "Jun 10, 96 06:55:22 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Richard Wackerbarth wrote: > I my discussion with Rodney Grimmes about the history of the naming > conventions in the cvs tree, I commented that I thought that the name "2_1" > was more appropriate than "2_1_0" for the "head" of the 2.1 branch because > that branch includes 2.1.0, 2.1.1, 2.1.2, etc. This might be true, but we have already once changed our paradigm (between 2.0 and 2.0.5 -- from RELEASE_X_Y to RELENG_X_Y_Z), and changing it too often is IMHO causing more confusion than clarity. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 12:38:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA09495 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA09428 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id VAA22033; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:36:21 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA27727; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:36:20 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA05524; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:27:51 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199606101927.VAA05524@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: dns failure To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:27:51 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: garya@ics.com (Gary Aitken) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <31BC655F.500F9F30@ics.com> from Gary Aitken at "Jun 10, 96 12:11:44 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Gary Aitken wrote: > On a system acting as a gateway, > I'm suddenly getting the following message logged for dns searches : > > named[78]: ns_req: no address for root server Somebody else recently complained about this, too. It looked from his description as if the named did expire the root server entries after exactly the given TTL (~ 41 days). Oh well, the `cache' entries are intended to never expire?! -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 12:44:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA10635 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.tfs.com ([140.145.16.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10624; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.tfs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02533; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:43:51 -0700 (PDT) To: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, ohashi@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp Subject: Re: New character device number wanted. (IBM Smart Capture PCMCIA) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Jun 1996 03:55:23 +0900." <199606101855.DAA28179@frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:43:50 -0700 Message-ID: <2531.834435830@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I'm maintainer of FreeBSD PC-card package. We want a new Character >Device number for our new driver "scc" (IBM Smart Capture Card PCMCIA >I/II). > >Please allocate a new character device number for this device. Already done at request of original author. 76 I belive. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 12:58:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA12224 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sarenet.es (sollube.sarenet.es [192.148.167.16]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12215 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arnor.sarenet.es by sarenet.es (8.7.5/ADD-HUB) id VAA00279; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:39:35 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <31BC7B5B.41C67EA6@sarenet.es> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:45:31 +0200 From: Borja Marcos X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Breaking ffs - speed enhancement? References: <199606092136.XAA04500@yedi.iaf.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk There are some interesting papers about LFS in the "Sprite" CDROM. I think it was distributed by Walnut Creek. Also, you can find Margo Saltzer's thesis in http://www.cs.berkeley.edu (look for her name in the document server) Borja. Wilko Bulte wrote: > > As Jonathan M. Bresler wrote... > > > > > i have collected a number of papers describing LFS for my > > > > own edification. i can mail them out or put them up for > > > > ftp. anyone interested? > > > > > > And what about putting them somewhere on the release CDs? I suppose there > > > is some space to put 'm? > > > > i dont know if that is legal. some of the papers are from the > > various usenix conferences. others were published in other > > magazines, etc.....i fear that we would have to contact all > > the authors for permission. > > > > i dont know the restrictions and legalities involved. > > How unfortunate.. :( > > _ __________________________________________________________________________ > | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl > |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- *********************************************************************** Borja Marcos * Internet: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11 1 izq * borjam@well.com 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) * CompuServe: 100015,3502 SPAIN * *********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 13:32:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA17165 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from covina.lightside.com (covina.lightside.com [198.81.209.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17116; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by covina.lightside.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uTDco-0004JrC; Mon, 10 Jun 96 13:31 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:31:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jake Hamby To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: BeBox mention of FreeBSD... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Saw this in the latest issue of the Be newsletter. Apparently I'm a registered Be developer now, but I'm going to save my money for a little bit before springing to buy one. Any BeBox owners on this list want to comment? For those of you who haven't heard of Be, http://www.be.com/ Thomas J. Merritt, president of CodeGen, on the BeBox: "I think it would make a terrific networking server. The only other thing that comes close in price/performance is a generic PC loaded with FreeBSD, ^^^^^^^ but that's a pain to configure. Windows NT and pay-for UNIX cost more, and other desktop OS's don't offer memory protection or other niceties the BeBox has." Parag adds, "With the GeekPort, the BeBox could also be nice as a user-friendly factory floor controller." ---Jake From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 13:37:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA17787 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from covina.lightside.com (covina.lightside.com [198.81.209.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17781; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by covina.lightside.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uTDiG-0004KDC; Mon, 10 Jun 96 13:37 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:37:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jake Hamby To: "Hr.Ladavac" cc: James Raynard , terry@lambert.org, dyson@freebsd.org, bde@zeta.org.au, dufault%hda@sel1.zit.th-darmstadt.de, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Breaking ffs - speed enhancement? In-Reply-To: <199606100951.AA244850291@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Hr.Ladavac wrote: > > This leads to another point. It seems to me that there will be some > co-op work on (new) filesystems under FreeBSD. How about > freebsd-fs mailing list? > > /Marino I just subscribed to freebsd-fs since this topic is interesting to me (and something I'd like to help on, having been the person to bring up LFS in the first place). I suggest we take any further conversations on LFS, Portals, or even msdosfs (and the guy who's working on vfatfs) to that mailing list. Thanks! ---Jake From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 13:57:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19991 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apollo.intermind.com (apollo.intermind.com [206.40.151.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19982; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from malkav.intermind.com ([206.40.150.122]) by apollo.intermind.com (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-11400) with SMTP id AAA225; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:02:34 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960610205658.00abedec@intermind.com> X-Sender: jnoetzel@intermind.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:56:58 -0700 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jnoetzel@intermind.com (Jeremy Noetzelman) Subject: Netscape Commerce Servers Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know about FreeBSD ports of the Commerce server and the News server? I know we've got Navigator ports, but I'd like to get a couple server ports as well if we have them available. Jeremy --- Jeremy Noetzelman jnoetzel@intermind.com Operations Specialist Intermind Corporation From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 14:09:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA21581 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21568 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA17184 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:13:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Anybody using a FreeBSD box as a gateway/BGP4 router with Sprint or MCI? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 14:39:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA27799 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eac.iafrica.com (slipper119228.iafrica.com [196.7.119.228]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27753 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:39:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by eac.iafrica.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA00753; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 23:36:01 +0200 From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199606102136.XAA00753@eac.iafrica.com> Subject: Re: bit 7 in filenames To: root@chain.iafrica.com (Root Dude) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 23:35:59 +0200 (SAT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Root Dude" at Jun 9, 96 11:56:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Khetan Gajjar wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Robert Nordier wrote: > > >What I have in mind is a series of fixes to correct the most serious > >problems: mostly those that actually result in corruption to the > >DOS FS or ffs. > > I lost my entire var partition due to a particularly nasty bit > of accessing a partition that had Disk Manager on it :-( > > >This is really intended just as a stop-gap measure, as the fundamental > >design of the msdosfs is seriously broken in all sorts of ways. > > Now you tell me ;-) > > >Most of the code for the new msdosfs (now `vfatfs') is complete, > > Is it in -current already ? No, the vfatfs is probably about 80 percent complete, but still in pieces, and not expected in -current for a while. As the msdosfs code has changed comparatively little, the msdosfs fixes will probably apply to most recent versions of FreeBSD. These patches should be out in a few weeks and will address the problem of corrupting BSD partitions. -- Robert Nordier From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 14:51:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA01005 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org ([207.40.47.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA00980 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nightmare (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [206.230.42.65]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA00344; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:48:27 -0600 Message-ID: <31BC9829.64880EEB@ics.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:48:25 -0600 From: Gary Aitken X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joerg Wunsch CC: FreeBSD hackers Subject: Re: dns failure References: <199606101927.VAA05524@uriah.heep.sax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > named[78]: ns_req: no address for root server > > Somebody else recently complained about this, too. It looked from his > description as if the named did expire the root server entries after > exactly the given TTL (~ 41 days). Oh well, the `cache' entries are > intended to never expire?! Hmmm, I don't think this is it. The TTL from the root sites is 7 days, with a serial 19960607000. The TTL from named.root or the cache is ~41 days, but starting when? If it's the time when named was started, I've got lots of time left :-). ns_req.c has the following comment around the code which spits out this message: ** Don't go into an infinite loop if ** the admin gave root NS records in the cache ** file without giving address records ** for the root servers. The cache file is the standard one from ftp.rs.internic.net, and contains entries with both NS records and A records, so, as usual, I'm confused... -- Gary Aitken garya@ics.com (business) garya@dreamchaser.org (personal) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 14:57:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA02508 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA02456; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA04670; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:57:15 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606102157.OAA04670@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: BeBox mention of FreeBSD... To: jehamby@lightside.com (Jake Hamby) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:57:15 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, chat@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Jake Hamby" at Jun 10, 96 01:31:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Saw this in the latest issue of the Be newsletter. Apparently I'm a > registered Be developer now, but I'm going to save my money for a little > bit before springing to buy one. Any BeBox owners on this list want to > comment? For those of you who haven't heard of Be, http://www.be.com/ > > Thomas J. Merritt, president of CodeGen, on the BeBox: > "I think it would make a terrific networking server. The only other thing > that comes close in price/performance is a generic PC loaded with FreeBSD, > ^^^^^^^ > but that's a pain to configure. Windows NT and pay-for UNIX cost more, and > other desktop OS's don't offer memory protection or other niceties the > BeBox has." Parag adds, "With the GeekPort, the BeBox could also be nice > as a user-friendly factory floor controller." I saw that too... I've been a registered developer for a while now. I have previous PPC commitments which I am struggling to meet, so I can't really throw any work into yet another box at this time. If you've been following thecomp.sys.powerpc group from the early days, Gassee and I exchanged some articles where he was very pro a third party OS for their box (I have more private email bolstering that opinion) and there is an outstanding public offer of support from Be to that effect (if anyone is interested). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 14:59:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA02997 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA02950; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA04680; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:59:22 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606102159.OAA04680@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Netscape Commerce Servers To: jnoetzel@intermind.com (Jeremy Noetzelman) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:59:22 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960610205658.00abedec@intermind.com> from "Jeremy Noetzelman" at Jun 10, 96 01:56:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know about FreeBSD ports of the Commerce server and the News > server? I know we've got Navigator ports, but I'd like to get a couple > server ports as well if we have them available. The BSDI commerce server runs (but didn't Netscape just drop BSDI so the can concentrate on the NT platform where Microsoft has already won?). The Walnut Creek secure ordering page is a Netscape Commerce Server on FreeBSD. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 15:03:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA03726 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03719 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA04692; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:02:17 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606102202.PAA04692@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Anybody using a FreeBSD box as a gateway/BGP4 router with Sprint or MCI? To: mrcpu@cdsnet.net (Jaye Mathisen) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:02:17 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jaye Mathisen" at Jun 10, 96 02:13:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ ... ] ] This box is doing full BGP4 peering with sprint +30,000 routes. [ ... ] ] Nathan Stratton CEO, NetRail, Inc. Your Gateway to the World! ] --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ] Phone (703)524-4800 NetRail, Inc. ] Fax (703)534-5033 2007 N. 15 St. Suite B-5 ] Email sales@netrail.net Arlington, Va. 22201 ] WWW http://www.netrail.net/ Access: (703) 524-4802 guest ] --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 15:23:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA05573 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05567 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.iafrica.com (root@chain.iafrica.com [196.7.74.174]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA19023 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:23:28 -0700 Received: from localhost (khetan@localhost) by chain.iafrica.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA07060; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:15:07 +0200 (SAT) X-Authentication-Warning: chain.iafrica.com: khetan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:15:07 +0200 (SAT) From: Khetan Gajjar To: Robert Nordier cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bit 7 in filenames In-Reply-To: <199606102136.XAA00753@eac.iafrica.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Robert Nordier wrote: >No, the vfatfs is probably about 80 percent complete, but still in >pieces, and not expected in -current for a while. Ok. >As the msdosfs code has changed comparatively little, the msdosfs >fixes will probably apply to most recent versions of FreeBSD. >These patches should be out in a few weeks and will address the >problem of corrupting BSD partitions. What about dos partitions ? ;-) Regards, Khetan Gajjar. --- Visit me at http://www.iafrica.com/~khetan/ UUNet-Internet Africa Operations help@iafrica.com or 0800-030-002 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 15:23:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA05612 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05606 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.iafrica.com (root@chain.iafrica.com [196.7.74.174]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA19026 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:23:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (khetan@localhost) by chain.iafrica.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA07065; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:17:18 +0200 (SAT) X-Authentication-Warning: chain.iafrica.com: khetan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:17:18 +0200 (SAT) From: Khetan Gajjar To: "Paul N. Cobb" cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Paul N. Cobb wrote: > Use xfmail, it has rules to separate mail into different folders Three problems - a) have to have x installed, b) Darren is already using GroupWise and c) it pulls mail out of your inbox and stores it in it's own directories. Great if that's all you use, but if you use other mail programs you're a bit stuffed. >It's great. All point and click, real easy to use. I agree. What's the GroupWise client like ? Regards, Khetan Gajjar. --- Visit me at http://www.iafrica.com/~khetan/ UUNet-Internet Africa Operations help@iafrica.com or 0800-030-002 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 15:24:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA05693 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05677 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:24:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.iafrica.com (root@chain.iafrica.com [196.7.74.174]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA19029 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:23:57 -0700 Received: from localhost (khetan@localhost) by chain.iafrica.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA07035; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:10:04 +0200 (SAT) X-Authentication-Warning: chain.iafrica.com: khetan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:10:03 +0200 (SAT) From: Khetan Gajjar To: Darren Davis cc: hackers@freebsd.org, stable@iafrica.com Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Darren Davis wrote: >There is too much noise, I think I need a straight jacket! I agree. Any reason to cross post to hackers and stable ? My reply is cross-posted to give stable something else to mutter about besides paying for stable ;-) >I came back to my email from the weekend, and I had over 400 hundred emails. You can filter it in a) your mail program or b) a external filter program. I can only comment on Pine (yes, there is at least *one* person using Pine ;-) - the latest (3.93) has built in filtering, although I don't know how good it is - I don't use it. I use procmail (procmail-3.11p4) which is in the ports (/usr/ports/mail/procmail) to filter mail for myself and my root user. Procmail works very well for me. I've set it up to filter all my mail to certain files in the /home/khetan/mail and /root/mail directory, and because ~/mail is Pine's default mail folder, it reads it as a ordinary mail folder. You'll probably find Root's .procmailrc very useful. Please find included my filtering for root (the filtering for Khetan is just as an example - the principle is the same for both). Both work fine; for root, it filters about 800 messages (about 1mb) in less than 10 seconds, and for Khetan it filtes about 300 messages in less than 4 seconds. I'm running -stable, but have used the same tools on -release and they work fine for me. Being on a dial-up, you learn how to spend as little time on-line as possible. Both users need a .forward file, something to the effect of ---.forward for khetan--- "| IFS=' ' && p=/usr/local/bin/procmail && test -f $p && exec $p -Yf- || exit 75 #khetan" ---.forward for khetan--- ---.forward for root--- "| IFS=' ' && p=/usr/local/bin/procmail && test -f $p && exec $p -Yf- || exit 75 #root" ---.forward for root--- They also need a .procmailrc, something to the effect of : ---.procmailrc for khetan--- LOGFILE=/home/khetan/procmail.log :0: *^To.*callbacks /home/khetan/mail/callbacks :0: *^cc.*callbacks /home/khetan/mail/callbacks :0: *^To.*helpdesk /home/khetan/mail/helpdesk :0: *^cc.*helpdesk /home/khetan/mail/helpdesk ---.procmailrc for khetan--- ---.procmailrc for root--- LOGFILE=/root/procmail.log :0: *^Subject:.*tcpd /root/mail/tcpd :0: *^Subject:.*chain /root/mail/chain :0: *^From.*owner-freebsd-questions /root/mail/questions :0: *^From.*owner-freebsd-emulation /root/mail/emulation :0: *^From.*owner-freebsd-current /root/mail/current :0: *^From.*owner-freebsd-stable /root/mail/stable :0: *^From.*owner-freebsd-hackers /root/mail/hackers :0: *^From.*owner-freebsd-announce /root/mail/announce :0: *^From.*owner-freebsd-security /root/mail/security :0: *^Subject:.*SECURITY /root/mail/chain ---.procmailrc for root--- Regards, Khetan Gajjar. --- Visit me at http://www.iafrica.com/~khetan/ UUNet-Internet Africa Operations help@iafrica.com or 0800-030-002 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 15:28:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA06288 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05959; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id XAA23234; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 23:25:07 +0100 (BST) To: Jeremy Noetzelman cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Netscape Commerce Servers In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:56:58 PDT." <2.2.32.19960610205658.00abedec@intermind.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 23:25:07 +0100 Message-ID: <23231.834445507@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jeremy Noetzelman wrote in message ID <2.2.32.19960610205658.00abedec@intermind.com>: > Does anyone know about FreeBSD ports of the Commerce server and the News > server? I know we've got Navigator ports, but I'd like to get a couple > server ports as well if we have them available. I haven't seen the news server, but the commerce server comes with it's own installation system, so a port isn't necessary (and with servers, doing ports is often difficult as you may want to go add a new user to /etc/passwd, etc). Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 15:33:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA07578 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07564; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA20909; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:32:51 -0700 (PDT) To: DARREND@novell.com (Darren Davis) cc: hackers@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:40:12 MDT." Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:32:51 -0700 Message-ID: <20907.834445971@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Or, must I suffer this fate? Any suggestions on how to manage this much > email? Jordan, how do you deal with all this traffic? I don't, I just suffer through hours of reading it each day. There are a couple of things we can do to help. 1. END THE BLOODY CROSS-POSTING! During our recent debate, the start of which had -stable, -hackers and -current (plus myself) on the cc line, I got 4 different copies of every single follow-up in what turned out to be a long and boring thread. 2. END THE LONG AND BORING THREADS! It should be evident to most people with an intellect and social sensitivity exceeding that of motor oil that, after the 3rd or 4th iteration, any long-winded trestise on "The ax register and making complete audit trails of every transition from bootup to shutdown" is going to appeal to a very limited audience and probably bore the rest so badly that they'll be chewing through their VGA cables just to escape the thread before long. For #1, I'm actually going to ask our long-suffering postmaster if there's any way for us to kill cross-postings automatically. Quite frankly, if something is sent to any of the major FreeBSD mailing lists (hackers/stable/current) then I think that it's already quite enough and if the user feels the need to cross-post then they're probably trying to lump too many things into one message and should break it down to a specific interest group level anyway. If there's some way for us to build a table of precedence and make automated decisions like "if hackers and stable on cc line, stable wins" then I'm all for instituting this immediately. People aren't showing any degree of self-control at all in how they follow-up to things, simply whacking `r' (or whatever) blindly and not even checking the header. Yes, there are messages which start life with a legitimate reason for being cross-posted but they still lead to long threads which don't, so we might as well just cap the problem at the source. The second problem I'm not sure about, though I guess we could try and be self-policing about it. If it looks like someone is going on excessively in the lists then I encourage each and every subscriber who doesn't like it to send them a _personal email_ telling them to tone it down. I figure after somebody receives 2 or 3 messages saying "take it to private email, already!!" they'll be more inclined to cut to the chase. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 15:56:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA12704 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12691 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA21114; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) To: reichert@internet.com cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:18:15 EDT." <199606101718.NAA27079@oneida.internet.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:56:23 -0700 Message-ID: <21112.834447383@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [Cc trimmed - PLEASE trim the cc lines! There was absolutely no reason to send this to both -hackers and -stable, thanks!] > Long ago, I took to using procmail to break out my mail upon delivery to > various folders. I noted that several times _daily_ that procmail was > dropping core. I've noticed the exact same problem, which is why I no longer use procmail. :-( Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 16:04:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA14445 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gluon.mep.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (gluon.mep.ruhr-uni-bochum.de [134.147.160.165]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14389 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from roberte@localhost) by gluon.mep.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA21690; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:03:17 +0200 From: Robert Eckardt Message-Id: <199606102303.BAA21690@gluon.mep.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Subject: Re: dns failure To: garya@ics.com (Gary Aitken) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:03:16 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <31BC655F.500F9F30@ics.com> from "Gary Aitken" at Jun 10, 96 12:11:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Gary, > Can anyone give me some hints on what's going on? I just read your mail about the named problem. I have the same problem, also on a machine acting as a gateway. I'm interested in any similarities/differences in your configuration compared to mine. (I haven't got any hint yet -- except for someone else also having the same problem -- it seems, that it is not so rare.) I don't understand, why named isn't using one of the forwarders ??? For completeness, I append my mail I sent last week to -hackers. (Sorry, if you have it already) Robert 8<--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: named forgets how to resolve Hi, on one of our servers I have a serious problem with the name server. (The machine is a Pentium/133 runnning 2.1-RELEASE from WC, serving NFS for a few PCs and WWW and as a router -- so, no big load) It has two ed-Interfaces. Name: server.dekanat-bio.ruhr-uni-bochum.de Addresses: 134.147.236.159, 134.147.133.33 After a few days it forgets how to resolve names. It can still reverse resolve addresses. The problem occured first after about 40 days uptime. But now, a week and a reboot later, it happened again. Noteably, the problems started always on Thursday, 2:00am o'clock (/etc/daily ?). foreach x ( messages* ) foreach? grep ns_req: / $x | head -3 foreach? end messages:Jun 6 02:00:31 server named[70]: ns_req: no address for root server messages:Jun 6 11:42:12 server named[70]: ns_req: no address for root server messages:Jun 6 12:34:02 server named[70]: ns_req: no address for root server messages.0:May 30 02:00:32 server named[70]: ns_req: no address for root server messages.0:May 30 02:21:45 server named[70]: ns_req: no address for root server messages.0:May 30 04:23:34 server named[70]: ns_req: no address for root server I looked through the database at freefall.freebsd.org, and found a similar case (Subject: Named goes wobbly after a while), but I don't see that the solution (use current named.root, no syntax error in named.*, and refer to existing hosts in SOA only) applies here. I have to 'kill -TERM' and restart it to get it working again. (for the next week ? :-) A 'kill -HUP 70' gives with syslog at daemon.*: Jun 6 22:30:29 server named[70]: reloading nameserver Jun 6 22:30:29 server named[70]: Ready to answer queries. Jun 6 22:30:29 server named[70]: USAGE 834093029 833648478 CPU=4.3792u/2.28068s CHILDCPU=0.010436u/0.010706s Jun 6 22:30:29 server named[70]: NSTATS 834093029 833648478 A=408 NS=1 SOA=585 PTR=2172 MX=14 AXFR=2 ANY=1292 Jun 6 22:30:29 server named[70]: XSTATS 834093029 833648478 RQ=4474 RR=299 RIQ=0 RNXD=87 RFwdQ=225 RFwdR=225 RDupQ=0 RDupR=7 RFail=0 RFErr=0 RErr=0 RTCP=172 RA XFR=2 RLame=0 ROpts=0 SSysQ=68 SAns=4083 SFwdQ=225 SFwdR=225 SDupQ=7 SFail=0 SFErr=0 SErr=0 RNotNsQ=4013 SNaAns=3114 SNXD=63 Jun 6 22:32:03 server named[70]: ns_req: no address for root server Jun 6 22:34:48 server named[70]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) Jun 6 22:34:48 server named[70]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) Jun 6 22:34:48 server named[70]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) Jun 6 22:34:48 server named[70]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) Jun 6 22:34:48 server named[70]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) Jun 6 22:34:48 server named[70]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) Jun 6 22:34:48 server named[70]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) Jun 6 22:34:48 server named[70]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) Jun 6 22:34:48 server named[70]: sysquery: no addrs found for NS (F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) Jun 6 22:34:48 server named[70]: ns_req: no address for root server [...] 8<--- /etc/named.boot: ------------------------------------------------------- ; named.boot directory /etc/named.d ; type domain source host/file backup file primary dekanat-bio.ruhr-uni-bochum.de /etc/named.d/named.hosts secondary 133.147.134.in-addr.arpa 134.147.32.40 /etc/named.d/named.rev primary 0.0.127.in-addr.arpa /etc/named.d/named.local cache . /etc/named.d/named.cache forwarders 134.147.222.4 134.147.32.40 8<--- /etc/named.d/named.cache: ---------------------------------------------- [...] ; file named.root ; ; last update: Nov 8, 1995 ; related version of root zone: 1995110800 ; ; ; formerly NS.INTERNIC.NET ; . 3600000 IN NS A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 3600000 A 198.41.0.4 [...] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The server is subnetted 0xffffffe0 and gets its reverse address information from the computer center (134.147.32.40), which maintains the database for the 134.147.133.0-subnet. Any hints or requests to provide further information are welcome. Thanks, Robert -- Robert Eckardt ( Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, Inst.f.Theor.Physik, NB6/169 ) Universitaetsstrasse 150, D-44780 Bochum, Germany ----X---8---- Telefon: +49 234 700-3709, Telefax: +49 234 7094-574 8 E-Mail: RobertE@MEP.Ruhr-Uni-Bochum.de --------8---- URL: http://WWW.MEP.Ruhr-Uni-Bochum.de/ >>> Fuer die einen ist es bloss ein Betriebssystem, <<< >>> fuer die anderen ist es der laengste Virus der Welt. .... Windows 95 <<< From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 16:05:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA14744 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toccata.fugue.com (toccata.fugue.com [204.254.239.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14738 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mellon@localhost) by toccata.fugue.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA27841 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:05:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199606102305.QAA27841@toccata.fugue.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Swapped ethertype in BPF output? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:05:18 -0700 From: Ted Lemon Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm the author of the Internet Software Consortium DHCP server. One of the operating systems on which ISC dhcpd is supported is FreeBSD. A FreeBSD user has reported a problem in that on FreeBSD, BPF apparently swaps the ethertype supplied by the user program when sending a packet. If true, this breaks code in dhcpd that works on all other platforms that support BPF, including NetBSD, BSD/OS, and DEC Alpha OSF/1. Is this user correct, and if so, is this a known bug that is going to be fixed, or a ``feature''? The FreeBSD port is completely clean other than this, and I would really prefer not to have to put in an ifdef for something like this. _MelloN_ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 16:12:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA16562 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16530; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA06992; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:08:38 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199606102338.JAA06992@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: BeBox mention of FreeBSD... To: jehamby@lightside.com (Jake Hamby) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:08:37 +0930 (CST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Jake Hamby" at Jun 10, 96 01:31:42 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry would probably have something to say here... Jake Hamby stands accused of saying: > > Thomas J. Merritt, president of CodeGen, on the BeBox: > "I think it would make a terrific networking server. The only other thing > that comes close in price/performance is a generic PC loaded with FreeBSD, > ^^^^^^^ > but that's a pain to configure. Windows NT and pay-for UNIX cost more, and *snort* How is anything going to be anything less 'painful' to configure? Last I read the only ethernet adapter the Be OS supported was the NE2000, which makes for a great network server, riiight. > other desktop OS's don't offer memory protection or other niceties the > BeBox has." Parag adds, "With the GeekPort, the BeBox could also be nice > as a user-friendly factory floor controller." Anyone who puts a BeBox on the 'factory floor' has rocks in their head. The 'GeekPort' isn't up to any sort of serious industrial interfacing, and the BeBox box wouldn't have a hope of survival. > ---Jake -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 16:26:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA19773 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:26:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DATAPLEX.NET (SHARK.DATAPLEX.NET [199.183.109.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19745 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 199.183.109.242 by DATAPLEX.NET with SMTP (MailShare 1.0fc5); Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:25:44 -0600 Message-ID: Date: 10 Jun 1996 18:25:33 -0500 From: "Richard Wackerbarth" Subject: Re(2): Re(2): Re(2): The naming of branches To: "hackers@FreeBSD.org" , "Joerg Wunsch" X-Mailer: Mail*Link PT/Internet 1.6.0 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > This might be true, but we have already once changed our paradigm > (between 2.0 and 2.0.5 -- from RELEASE_X_Y to RELENG_X_Y_Z), and > changing it too often is IMHO causing more confusion than clarity. Did you read the rest of it? Rodney explained why you went to X-Y-Z. I have no problem with that. However, I still suggest that "2_2_X" will serve every function that I have seen presented and still avoid the disorientation that "2_2_0" causes after there is a 2_2_0_RELEASE and development continues on the 2_2 branch. -- Richard Wackerbarth rkw@dataplex.net -- ...computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and weigh only 1/2 tons. -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 16:27:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA20141 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20096; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA17913; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:30:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen To: Terry Lambert cc: Jeremy Noetzelman , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netscape Commerce Servers In-Reply-To: <199606102159.OAA04680@phaeton.artisoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Does anyone know about FreeBSD ports of the Commerce server and the News > > server? I know we've got Navigator ports, but I'd like to get a couple > > server ports as well if we have them available. > > The BSDI commerce server runs (but didn't Netscape just drop BSDI > so the can concentrate on the NT platform where Microsoft has > already won?). > Mail was sent to the BSD/OS list from the people at BSD/OS saying that this was patently false, and that announcements from both parties would be coming soon. Netscape's strength was the cross-platform work, I doubt they trivially throw it away. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 16:43:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA23366 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ulantris.infinop.com (root@ulantris.infinop.com [205.230.144.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23355; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from john@localhost) by ulantris.infinop.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA06144; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:45:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "John A. Booth" Message-Id: <199606102345.SAA06144@ulantris.infinop.com> Subject: T-shirts for donations ;)...Maybe????? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:45:36 -0500 (CDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <21137.834447620@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 10, 96 04:00:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Also, there was mention of non-profit status. I think it would be time and > > money well spent to make it so that contributions were tax deductible. This > > Just to clarify this once more: If there were enough money coming in > to offset the headache of the additional bookkeeping, I'd do it (and I think $25.00 donation (for a BSD daemon t-shirt/FreeBSD related attire) may go over well. Any comments?... From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 16:45:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA23785 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23762 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA19007; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606102343.QAA19007@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: lestat.nas.nasa.gov: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Ted Lemon Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swapped ethertype in BPF output? Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:43:35 -0700 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:05:18 -0700 Ted Lemon wrote: > I'm the author of the Internet Software Consortium DHCP server. One > of the operating systems on which ISC dhcpd is supported is FreeBSD. > A FreeBSD user has reported a problem in that on FreeBSD, BPF > apparently swaps the ethertype supplied by the user program when > sending a packet. If true, this breaks code in dhcpd that works on > all other platforms that support BPF, including NetBSD, BSD/OS, and > DEC Alpha OSF/1. > > Is this user correct, and if so, is this a known bug that is going to > be fixed, or a ``feature''? The FreeBSD port is completely clean > other than this, and I would really prefer not to have to put in an > ifdef for something like this. Hi Ted ... long time no see :-) It's not just the ethertype, from what I can tell...See the following kludge in NetBSD's rbootd(8) (the HP Remote Maintainance Protocol boot server): int SendPacket(rconn) register RMPCONN *rconn; { /* * Set Ethernet Destination address to Source (BPF and the enet * driver will take care of getting our source address set). */ bcopy((char *)&rconn->rmp.hp_hdr.saddr[0], (char *)&rconn->rmp.hp_hdr.daddr[0], RMP_ADDRLEN); #ifdef __FreeBSD__ /* BPF (incorrectly) wants this in host order. */ rconn->rmp.hp_hdr.len = rconn->rmplen - sizeof(struct hp_hdr); #else rconn->rmp.hp_hdr.len = htons(rconn->rmplen - sizeof(struct hp_hdr)); #endif /* * Reverse 802.2/HP Extended Source & Destination Access Pts. */ rconn->rmp.hp_llc.dxsap = htons(HPEXT_SXSAP); rconn->rmp.hp_llc.sxsap = htons(HPEXT_DXSAP); [ . . . ] It's been there ever since Mike Hibler and I helped a fellow recover a fairly dead HP-BSD system ... the guy ended up netbooting NetBSD/hp300, mounting his HP-BSD filesystems, and recovering his data (darn, those old HP-IB drives :-) All the guy had was a NeXT and a PC on which he could install FreeBSD (happened to have a 2.0.5 CD laying around...) I don't know if it's a bug or feature (and, am not really willing to make a guess either way :-), but just wanted to point out that it seems as if the packet length needs to be in the wrong order, too... ----save the ancient forests - http://www.bayarea.net/~thorpej/forest/---- Jason R. Thorpe thorpej@nas.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center Home: 408.866.1912 NAS: M/S 258-6 Work: 415.604.0935 Moffett Field, CA 94035 Pager: 415.428.6939 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 16:54:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA25238 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25230 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA18380; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:59:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:59:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199606102359.TAA18380@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Jaye Mathisen From: dennis@etinc.com (Dennis) Subject: Re: Anybody using a FreeBSD box as a gateway/BGP4 router with Sprint or MCI? Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk you might want to ask that question our mailing list, as we have several customers doing this. Send the message to et-users@etinc.com. Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 16:56:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA25418 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25397; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA05054; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:55:16 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606102355.QAA05054@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: BeBox mention of FreeBSD... To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:55:16 -0700 (MST) Cc: jehamby@lightside.com, hackers@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606102338.JAA06992@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Jun 11, 96 09:08:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Terry would probably have something to say here... Yup. > Jake Hamby stands accused of saying: > > > > Thomas J. Merritt, president of CodeGen, on the BeBox: > > "I think it would make a terrific networking server. The only other thing > > that comes close in price/performance is a generic PC loaded with FreeBSD, > > ^^^^^^^ > > but that's a pain to configure. Windows NT and pay-for UNIX cost more, and > > *snort* How is anything going to be anything less 'painful' to configure? > Last I read the only ethernet adapter the Be OS supported was the NE2000, > which makes for a great network server, riiight. Well, there are drivers for other boards now. It'd be pretty easy to port BSD drivers for the thing. > > other desktop OS's don't offer memory protection or other niceties the > > BeBox has." Parag adds, "With the GeekPort, the BeBox could also be nice > > as a user-friendly factory floor controller." > > Anyone who puts a BeBox on the 'factory floor' has rocks in their head. > The 'GeekPort' isn't up to any sort of serious industrial interfacing, > and the BeBox box wouldn't have a hope of survival. Actually, the BeOS has good RT support that FreeBSD lacks. Coupled with the RS-485 capable ports, it's make an OK control box, though it seems more like a prototype set-top box than anything else to me. I would have a hard time trusting the "geekport" because of the ISA interfacing logic used throughout... I wish they had used the Apple or Motorolla or DEC parts and not put an ISA in there at all (stayed straight PCI). The argument at the time was lack of ethernet (not a problem) sound (GUS, etc. -- not a problem), and internal support for IDE (which is a dumb idea anyway, when they have SCSI). So, "geekport" aside, I think that it would make a nice little embedded systems controller. I remember when IOmega was using Commodore 64's loaded from tape drives to run their optical interferometry hardware for their Zirconium bonding in their Bernoulli heads. Don't underestimate cheap hardware with NMI-based scheduling. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 16:57:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA25586 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25555; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA21165; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:57:01 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id BAA23457; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:56:15 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.Alpha.4/keltia-uucp-2.8) id BAA08114; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:14:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199606102314.BAA08114@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: 64 bit IP addresses? To: gpalmer@freebsd.org (Gary Palmer) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:14:30 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: dev@flevel.co.uk, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <22421.834427271@palmer.demon.co.uk> from Gary Palmer at "Jun 10, 96 06:21:11 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#2093 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Gary Palmer said: > 64 bit addressing == IPv6. IPv6 uses 128 bits addresses not 64 bits. They'll look like "ethernet" adresses in hex : 1234:34bb:2323:876f:dead:beef:c0de:0000. The test version T4B of bind 4.9.4 does support the 'AAAA' RR for 12 bits addresses. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #8: Sat Jun 8 15:07:49 MET DST 1996 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 16:57:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA25598 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25562 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA21158; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:56:56 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id BAA23452; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:56:14 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.Alpha.4/keltia-uucp-2.8) id BAA08158; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:21:33 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199606102321.BAA08158@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: dns failure To: garya@ics.com (Gary Aitken) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:21:33 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <31BC655F.500F9F30@ics.com> from Gary Aitken at "Jun 10, 96 12:11:44 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#2093 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Gary Aitken said: > > named[78]: ns_req: no address for root server Verify you're using the latest root servers cache file from Nov. 8. ; This file holds the information on root name servers needed to ; initialize cache of Internet domain name servers ; (e.g. reference this file in the "cache . " ; configuration file of BIND domain name servers). ; ; This file is made available by InterNIC registration services ; under anonymous FTP as ; file /domain/named.root ; on server FTP.RS.INTERNIC.NET ; -OR- under Gopher at RS.INTERNIC.NET ; under menu InterNIC Registration Services (NSI) ; submenu InterNIC Registration Archives ; file named.root ; ; last update: Nov 8, 1995 ; related version of root zone: 1995110800 -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #8: Sat Jun 8 15:07:49 MET DST 1996 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 16:57:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA25617 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25553; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA21160; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:56:57 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id BAA23451; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:56:13 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.Alpha.4/keltia-uucp-2.8) id BAA08147; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:19:12 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199606102319.BAA08147@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! To: reichert@internet.com Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:19:12 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: stable@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606101718.NAA27079@oneida.internet.com> from Brian Reichert at "Jun 10, 96 01:18:15 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#2093 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Brian Reichert said: > For what it's worth, I'm running 2.1R and procmail v3.10. Throw away (very far) 3.10 and only use 3.11pre3 or 3.11pre4 (I don't know of any more recent). No core dump. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #8: Sat Jun 8 15:07:49 MET DST 1996 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 16:57:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA25626 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25583 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA21162; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:56:59 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id BAA23453; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:56:14 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.Alpha.4/keltia-uucp-2.8) id BAA08169; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:23:12 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199606102323.BAA08169@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: dns failure To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:23:11 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, garya@ics.com In-Reply-To: <199606101927.VAA05524@uriah.heep.sax.de> from J Wunsch at "Jun 10, 96 09:27:51 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#2093 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that J Wunsch said: > exactly the given TTL (~ 41 days). Oh well, the `cache' entries are > intended to never expire?! They will but the server will recontact one of the root servers and get the table. I've probably a mail somewhere in french which explain how it works. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #8: Sat Jun 8 15:07:49 MET DST 1996 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 16:58:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA25794 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gordius.gordian.com (gordius.gordian.com [192.73.220.81]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25789 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from delphi.gordian.com (delphi.gordian.com [192.73.220.125]) by gordius.gordian.com (8.7.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA19803; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by delphi.gordian.com (8.7.2/8.6.9) id QAA14378; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606102358.QAA14378@delphi.gordian.com> From: Steve Khoo To: Rob Snow CC: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Rob Snow's message of Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:33:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: NFS problem: Irix 5.2 server, 2.2-960501-SNAP client References: <199606071932.MAA08925@delphi.gordian.com> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Rob" == Rob Snow writes: Rob> On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Steve Khoo wrote: Rob> [SNIP] >> >> Thanks for the all responses and suggestions... It looks like the >> problem is related to diskstriping on the Irix 5.2. We've been >> playing around with diskstriping on the sgi to improve performance. I >> truned off diskstriping and rebooted the sgi lastnight and all seems >> to be fine now. I supposed it is possible that the sgi was somehow >> hosed and rebooting fixed it. However, this is unlikely because nfs >> mounts to other systems were still working; I did umount and mount on >> sunos and hp machines to the sgi and worked without a problem. I'll >> have to test it again with striping truned ON on the sgi later, just >> to double check; Since this sgi is a production unit, I can't be >> rebooting it too many times. Rob> Just checking it on my Indigo2 - Irix 6.2 and mounted an xfs partition Rob> with no problem. I've seen problems with Irix and mounting other Rob> filesystems, usually solved by -o vers=2 to force v2 instead of v3. >> Anyway, we are pretty impressed with this P6 unit so far. We did some >> benchmarking with a realworld example(we use a gcc cross-compiler for >> embeded mips system and built one of our source tree), and here are >> the resuls: >> >> SGI 21 mins >> P6(NFS) 16 mins >> P6(local) 7 mins Rob> Good looking numbers! >> >> The source tree is on the SGI server. P6(NFS) is the compile time for >> the P6 with the source tree mounted via NFS from the SGI. P6(local) >> is with the source tree copied over to a local disk on P6. >> >> System specs: >> >> SGI Challenge S server (Irix 5.2) >> 150 Mhz R4600 MIPS Processor >> 160MB RAM >> Fast Wide Differential SCSI Controller >> Seagate Barracuda FWD SCSI drives: 2's and 4's >> 10BaseT NIC Rob> Is this a PC (Primary cache only) or SC (L2 cache added)? It has 256K L2 Cache. >> >> P6 (FreeBSD 2.2-960501-SNAP, kernel rebuilt without FAILSAFE option >> and all the other unnecessary drivers) >> Intel Pentium Pro 200 Mhz CPU >> 64M EDO RAM >> Asus P/I-P6RP4, Orion chipset stepping B0 motherboard >> NCR Fast Wide Differential SCSI Controller >> 4G Seagate Barracuda FWD SCSI drive >> SMC 9332DST 10/100BaseT DC2114 based NIC >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Steve E. Khoo Gordian >> Systems Manager 20361 Irvine Ave >> Internet: steve@gordian.com Santa Ana Heights, CA 92707 >> Phone: (714)850-0205 FAX: (714)850-0533 >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob> -- Rob> Rob Snow Rob> Sr. Systems Administrator Rob> Landmark Graphics Corporation BTW, what kind of nfs performance should I be getting from the above P6 system as an NFS server? I'm getting pretty disappointing results: On an isolated 100BaseT network I'm only getting: IOZONE performance measurements: 247132 bytes/second for writing the file 4488887 bytes/second for reading the file This is from a p5-100Mhz 512K PB Cache / 32M RAM nfs client. SEK From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 16:59:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA25846 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [204.214.4.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25839 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.104.23.160] by fly.HiWAAY.net; (8.7.5/1.1.8.2/21Sep95-1003PM) id SAA05822; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:59:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:03:31 -0500 To: hackers@freebsd.org From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>I would also like to know what tools (under Unix) are available to break >>up incoming mail by mailing list. Right now I'm using pine (no jokes, >>please, it's a good mail program!) and it puts a + sign by personal >>messages, but is there any way to split individual mailing lists into >>different folders? Can MH do this (I tried it *briefly* but didn't look >>at all of the MANY options). Please reply personally, I don't want to >>clog up hackers unnecessarily. >> >>---Jake > > Use xfmail, it has rules to separate mail into different folders >It's great. All point and click, real easy to use. This is a most timely discussion for me. As until next week I'm still sorting email with Eudora Pro on a Mac IIvx (mandatory FreeBSD content: often the Mac routes mail thru my FreeBSD system, but not tonight). But next week the Mac goes on to its next life and I start living on my FreeBSD box. Will be sad to see the Mac and its 19" monitor go but I've scrounged an SE/30 for nostalgia (and Quicken). So while I'm off the subject: anyone know of a Quicken-like application for FreeBSD? :-) -- David Kelly N4HHE, n4hhe@amsat.org, dkelly@hiwaay.net ============================================================= To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. - Thomas Edison From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 17:00:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA26030 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA25997; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA05069; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:59:14 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606102359.QAA05069@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Netscape Commerce Servers To: mrcpu@cdsnet.net (Jaye Mathisen) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:59:14 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, jnoetzel@intermind.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Jaye Mathisen" at Jun 10, 96 04:30:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Does anyone know about FreeBSD ports of the Commerce server and the News > > > server? I know we've got Navigator ports, but I'd like to get a couple > > > server ports as well if we have them available. > > > > The BSDI commerce server runs (but didn't Netscape just drop BSDI > > so the can concentrate on the NT platform where Microsoft has > > already won?). > > > Mail was sent to the BSD/OS list from the people at BSD/OS saying that > this was patently false, and that announcements from both parties would be > coming soon. > > Netscape's strength was the cross-platform work, I doubt they trivially > throw it away. I read this on 3 seperate news groups and in one press release about (nominally from?) Netscape. I had assumed that it was at the request of BSDI to change their method of distribution so that you couldn't buy the BSDI version except through BSDI (I thought maybe BSDI had an OEM agreement inked or something). If this isn't true, then Netscape and BSDI need to widen the scope of their damage control in their press releases to that effect; a joint press release announcing the next BSDI version with an assurance of continued support wouldn't be a bad idea. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 17:06:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA26619 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from covina.lightside.com (covina.lightside.com [198.81.209.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA26612; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by covina.lightside.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uTGyY-0004KBC; Mon, 10 Jun 96 17:06 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:06:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jake Hamby To: Michael Smith cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BeBox mention of FreeBSD... In-Reply-To: <199606102338.JAA06992@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Michael Smith wrote: > Terry would probably have something to say here... > > Jake Hamby stands accused of saying: > > > > Thomas J. Merritt, president of CodeGen, on the BeBox: > > "I think it would make a terrific networking server. The only other thing > > that comes close in price/performance is a generic PC loaded with FreeBSD, > > ^^^^^^^ > > but that's a pain to configure. Windows NT and pay-for UNIX cost more, and > > *snort* How is anything going to be anything less 'painful' to configure? > Last I read the only ethernet adapter the Be OS supported was the NE2000, > which makes for a great network server, riiight. The BeBox would be less painful to configure if Be had control over the hardware specs (a la Macintosh or Sun), which since they are using stock PCI and ISA cards, they don't. Therefore it is not "plug and play" any more than a PC running FreeBSD. And I agree the driver support for these PCI and ISA cards is very limited (though to their credit, the NE2000 is THE most popular card and clones only cost $20, so the average hobbyist will love it). But I think the author meant that UNIX is a pain to configure, whereas BeOS is all point and click, but unlike the MacOS has a serious multithreaded, SMP kernel under the hood. > > other desktop OS's don't offer memory protection or other niceties the > > BeBox has." Parag adds, "With the GeekPort, the BeBox could also be nice > > as a user-friendly factory floor controller." > > Anyone who puts a BeBox on the 'factory floor' has rocks in their head. > The 'GeekPort' isn't up to any sort of serious industrial interfacing, > and the BeBox box wouldn't have a hope of survival. Yeah, the GeekPort is strictly for hobbyists. A factory floor needs a GPIB (the old IEEE-488) controller, most likely would not be too difficult to interface an ISA IEEE-488 card to a BeBox (but if you're doing that, just get a PC). After all, lots of factories used Commodore 64's originally to control the factory line because of the readily available IEEE cartridges. Scary thought! ---Jake > -- > ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ > ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ > ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ > ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ > ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ > From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 17:19:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA27838 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27824 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.7.5/CET-v2.1) with SMTP id JAA02481; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:19:02 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:19:02 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: Rohit Dube cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Routing Protocols In-Reply-To: <22599.834430645@palmer.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Gary Palmer wrote: > > d) SNMP > > Work in progress (hopefully a port real soon now). A past port of > CMU's SNMP should be on ftp.freebsd.org somewhere I believe (or it I'm using the ucd-snmp, the port in progress, from ftp.ece.ucdavis.edu and the diffs from ftp.ki.net/pub/users/scrappy. It's a lot easier to setup than CMU's because of the example configs they provide. It also doesn't spew out all the incomprehensible garbage on startup that most of us directed to /dev/null. -mike hancock From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 17:19:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA27852 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hemi.com (hemi.com [204.132.158.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA27837 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mbarkah@localhost) by hemi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA28455; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:18:16 -0600 From: Ade Barkah Message-Id: <199606110018.SAA28455@hemi.com> Subject: Re: Anybody using a FreeBSD box as a gateway/BGP4 router with Sprint or MCI? To: mrcpu@cdsnet.net (Jaye Mathisen) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:18:15 -0600 (MDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jaye Mathisen" at Jun 10, 96 02:13:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Re: Using FreeBSD as a BGP4 router with Sprint or MCI You may want to check with them first. FreeBSD can talk BGP4 with Gated, but Sprint and MCI may not allow you to use "non-validated" routers. For example, at least last year, the Sprint required everyone to use Cisco routers when multihomed. Regards, -Ade ------------------------------------------------------------------- Inet: mbarkah@hemi.com - HEMISPHERE ONLINE - ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 17:25:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA28455 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DATAPLEX.NET (SHARK.DATAPLEX.NET [199.183.109.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28431 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 199.183.109.242 by DATAPLEX.NET with SMTP (MailShare 1.0fc5); Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:25:18 -0600 Message-ID: Date: 10 Jun 1996 19:25:05 -0500 From: "Richard Wackerbarth" Subject: Re(2): Ahhhhhhhhhh! To: "FreeBSD Hackers" X-Mailer: Mail*Link PT/Internet 1.6.0 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan writes: > For #1, I'm actually going to ask our long-suffering postmaster if > there's any way for us to kill cross-postings automatically. Quite > frankly, if something is sent to any of the major FreeBSD mailing > lists (hackers/stable/current) then I think that it's already quite [I won't send a copy of this directly to Jordan because he will get it on "hackers"] There is an automated solution that accomplishes the same thing without excluding anyone. The major complaint is that since you are subscribed to all three lists, you get 3 or 4 copies of the same message. The solution is to avoid having yourself subscribed to multiple lists. What you wish to do is subscribe to the single list that is the set union of the various lists. Consider this logical (not actual implementation) scheme. There are 8 lists. 1. Just stable 2. Just current 4. Just hackers 3. stable and current 5. stable and hackers 6. current and hackers 7. stable, current, and hackers 8. None of the above Each subscriber would belong to exactly one list. Each message that comes in is sent to a) 4 sublists if addressed to only one list b) 6 sublists if addressed to two lists c) 7 sublists if addressed to all three lists. This scheme could be expanded to more lists but the complexity doubles for each additional list and I expect that these three could be sufficient to handle the vast majority of the redundant traffic. -- Richard Wackerbarth rkw@dataplex.net -- ...computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and weigh only 1/2 tons. -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 17:27:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA28674 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA28667; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA05216; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:25:57 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606110025.RAA05216@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: T-shirts for donations ;)...Maybe????? To: john@ulantris.infinop.com (John A. Booth) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:25:57 -0700 (MST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199606102345.SAA06144@ulantris.infinop.com> from "John A. Booth" at Jun 10, 96 06:45:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Also, there was mention of non-profit status. I think it would > > > be time and money well spent to make it so that contributions > > > were tax deductible. This > > > > Just to clarify this once more: If there were enough money coming in > > to offset the headache of the additional bookkeeping, I'd do it (and > > I think $25.00 donation (for a BSD daemon t-shirt/FreeBSD related attire) > may go over well. Any comments?... If you are doing the whole PBS thing... Donation Premium $50 "Contributor T-shirt", not available otherwise $100 "Daemon plushie" $150 "T shirt and plushie" $200 T-shirt, plushie, "special edition CDROM" $300 T-shirt, plushie, "special edition CDROM", Signed by author(s) "Design and Implementation" book ... "Special edition CDROM" includes XInside Motif? Dunno -- think of some way to make it special, besides a different "not available otherwise" silkscreen... non-profit (tax deductible donations) status would help... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 17:28:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA28991 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apocalypse.superlink.net (root@apocalypse.superlink.net [205.246.27.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28976; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from marxx@localhost) by apocalypse.superlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA03602; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:38:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Charles C. Figueiredo" To: Darren Davis cc: hackers@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Darren Davis wrote: > There is too much noise, I think I need a straight jacket! > > I came back to my email from the weekend, and I had over 400 hundred emails. > All this is just two days! Most are from the FreeBSD mailing lists. > I can't keep up with this! There needs to be a better way. I must admit > some of my problems with managing my email are due to the tools I am unfortunately > forced to use. (Hey Terry, remember GroupWise under Unix?) For those > of you who have not experienced GroupWise, take my recommendation DON'T! > > What are the thoughts on breaking this stuff out of mail lists and into > news groups? (At least there I can use kill files to eliminate the noise.) > Or, must I suffer this fate? Any suggestions on how to manage this much > email? Jordan, how do you deal with all this traffic? > > Thanks for letting me make some noise about the noise. > > Darren > > > > How about giving procmail a shot? _M "I don't want to grow up, I'm a BSD kid. There's so many toys in /usr/bin that I can play with!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Charles C. Figueiredo Marxx marxx@superlink.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 17:32:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA29416 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29388; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA07546; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:27:26 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199606110057.KAA07546@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: BeBox mention of FreeBSD... To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:27:25 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, jehamby@lightside.com, hackers@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606102355.QAA05054@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Jun 10, 96 04:55:16 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert stands accused of saying: > > > > Anyone who puts a BeBox on the 'factory floor' has rocks in their head. > > The 'GeekPort' isn't up to any sort of serious industrial interfacing, > > and the BeBox box wouldn't have a hope of survival. > > Actually, the BeOS has good RT support that FreeBSD lacks. Coupled > with the RS-485 capable ports, it's make an OK control box, though > it seems more like a prototype set-top box than anything else to me. I'm not knocking the BeOS - I know next to nothing about it. I _did_ however spend a fair amount of time studying the available lit. on the physical hardware, and it's another desktop box. It's just not up to surviving a 'factory floor' environment. It needs an IP555 or better case to start with, and a real power supply. > I would have a hard time trusting the "geekport" because of the > ISA interfacing logic used throughout... I wish they had used the More of a worry is the lack of any sort of real isolation on the port. One slip with your prototype and the motherboard is toast. Not much of an "experimenters' dream" if you ask me. > So, "geekport" aside, I think that it would make a nice little > embedded systems controller. Too big. Too expensive. > I remember when IOmega was using Commodore 64's loaded from tape > drives to run their optical interferometry hardware for their > Zirconium bonding in their Bernoulli heads. Don't underestimate > cheap hardware with NMI-based scheduling. I'm not. But the Be isn't particularly cheap, and certainly isn't particularly physically or electrically robust. Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled diet of "CVS week". > Terry Lambert -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 17:35:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA29622 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toccata.fugue.com (toccata.fugue.com [204.254.239.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA29617 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mellon@localhost) by toccata.fugue.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA28148; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:35:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199606110035.RAA28148@toccata.fugue.com> To: Jason Thorpe cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swapped ethertype in BPF output? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:43:35 PDT." <199606102343.QAA19007@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:35:06 -0700 From: Ted Lemon Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi Ted ... long time no see :-) Sigh. Yeah! Things have been crazy! > It's not just the ethertype, from what I can tell...See the following > kludge in NetBSD's rbootd(8) (the HP Remote Maintainance Protocol boot > server): That doesn't make sense. There isn't any length in the ethernet header! _MelloN_ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 17:39:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA29999 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bbs.mpcs.com (root@bbs.mpcs.com [204.215.226.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29989 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.mpcs.com (news@news1.mpcs.com [204.215.226.8]) by bbs.mpcs.com (8.7.3/8.7.3/MPCS) with ESMTP id UAA29289 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:38:52 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by news1.mpcs.com (8.7.3/8.7.3/MPCS) id UAA32607; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:38:48 -0400 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Path: hgoldste From: hgoldste@mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein) Newsgroups: muc.lists.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! Date: 11 Jun 1996 00:38:46 GMT Organization: disorganization Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: hg@penny.n2wx.ampr.org NNTP-Posting-Host: bbs.mpcs.com X-Newsreader: slrn (0.8.5) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 10 Jun 1996 16:54:13 +0200, Darren Davis wrote: : There is too much noise, I think I need a straight jacket! : : I came back to my email from the weekend, and I had over 400 hundred emails. : All this is just two days! Most are from the FreeBSD mailing lists. : I can't keep up with this! There needs to be a better way. I must admit : some of my problems with managing my email are due to the tools I am unfortunately : forced to use. (Hey Terry, remember GroupWise under Unix?) For those : of you who have not experienced GroupWise, take my recommendation DON'T! : : What are the thoughts on breaking this stuff out of mail lists and into : news groups? (At least there I can use kill files to eliminate the noise.) Nasin in Munich reflects many of the freebsd lists (but not stable :( ) onto network news. This list, for example, shows up as muc.lists.freebsd.hackers . That's how I read it... -- Howard Goldstein From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 17:42:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA00507 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00500 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA19384; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606110041.RAA19384@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: lestat.nas.nasa.gov: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Ted Lemon Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swapped ethertype in BPF output? Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:41:00 -0700 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:35:06 -0700 Ted Lemon wrote: > Sigh. Yeah! Things have been crazy! Tell me about it.. :-) > > It's not just the ethertype, from what I can tell...See the following > > kludge in NetBSD's rbootd(8) (the HP Remote Maintainance Protocol boot > > server): > > That doesn't make sense. There isn't any length in the ethernet > header! Eek, and now that I look at it, the HP RMP length field is in the same place as ethertype ... So, rather than the "more than one place" (been a long day), why don't we say "there's precedence for kludging around the bug"... :-) ----save the ancient forests - http://www.bayarea.net/~thorpej/forest/---- Jason R. Thorpe thorpej@nas.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center Home: 408.866.1912 NAS: M/S 258-6 Work: 415.604.0935 Moffett Field, CA 94035 Pager: 415.428.6939 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 17:52:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA01932 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA01921 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA02092 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:52:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199606110052.RAA02092@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:56:23 PDT." <21112.834447383@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:52:44 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, I use exmh + mh + glimpse + pgp 8) All my mail gets filtered thru .maildelivery and it works just fine for me. Also, I inc my mail from my netcom account and it also gets filter If you are going to be on freebsd* mailing lists you *got* to have a filter program or some way of organizing and searching thru your mail. Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 17:56:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA02251 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toccata.fugue.com (toccata.fugue.com [204.254.239.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA02246 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mellon@localhost) by toccata.fugue.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA28219; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:56:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199606110056.RAA28219@toccata.fugue.com> To: Jason Thorpe cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swapped ethertype in BPF output? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:41:00 PDT." <199606110041.RAA19384@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:56:29 -0700 From: Ted Lemon Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Eek, and now that I look at it, the HP RMP length field is in the > same place as ethertype ... So, rather than the "more than one > place" (been a long day), why don't we say "there are precedents for > kludging around the bug"... :-) Sigh. So it would seem. Still, I feel like I might as well lean a little - this is definitely bogus. _MelloN_ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 17:59:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA02437 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:59:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fyeung5.netific.com (netific.vip.best.com [205.149.182.145]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA02431; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from fyeung@localhost) by fyeung5.netific.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA02223; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:04:56 GMT From: francis yeung Message-Id: <199606101804.SAA02223@fyeung5.netific.com> Subject: Re: T-shirts for donations ;)...Maybe????? To: john@ulantris.infinop.com (John A. Booth) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:04:56 +0000 () Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, questions@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199606102345.SAA06144@ulantris.infinop.com> from "John A. Booth" at Jun 10, 96 06:45:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > > Also, there was mention of non-profit status. I think it would be time and > > > money well spent to make it so that contributions were tax deductible. This > > > > Just to clarify this once more: If there were enough money coming in > > to offset the headache of the additional bookkeeping, I'd do it (and > > I think $25.00 donation (for a BSD daemon t-shirt/FreeBSD related attire) may > go over well. Any comments?... > Not a bad idea. I go for that. Francis > > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 18:05:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03277 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toccata.fugue.com (toccata.fugue.com [204.254.239.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA03272 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mellon@localhost) by toccata.fugue.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id SAA28278; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:05:28 -0700 Message-Id: <199606110105.SAA28278@toccata.fugue.com> cc: Jason Thorpe , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swapped ethertype in BPF output? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:56:29 PDT." Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:05:27 -0700 From: Ted Lemon Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Still, I feel like I might as well lean a little - this is > definitely bogus. (blush) And, of course, if I had looked more closely at the headers and noticed this was going to freebsd-hackers, I probably would have stated that a bit more politely. I do think it's bogus, but I don't know why it was done, and based on my experiences with FreeBSD people so far, I'm sure there was some good reason for doing it this way. So I am trying to lean on y'all about it, but you obviously have every right to lean back. Sorry for the offensive faux pas. :'( _MelloN_ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 18:08:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03630 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03622 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA19478; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606110107.SAA19478@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: lestat.nas.nasa.gov: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Ted Lemon Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swapped ethertype in BPF output? Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:07:08 -0700 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:56:29 -0700 Ted Lemon wrote: > Sigh. So it would seem. Still, I feel like I might as well lean a > little - this is definitely bogus. ...and one has to wonder how many programs are broken as a result... *sigh* ----save the ancient forests - http://www.bayarea.net/~thorpej/forest/---- Jason R. Thorpe thorpej@nas.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center Home: 408.866.1912 NAS: M/S 258-6 Work: 415.604.0935 Moffett Field, CA 94035 Pager: 415.428.6939 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 18:16:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA04830 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04818 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA18815; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606110116.SAA18815@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Jason Thorpe cc: Ted Lemon , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Swapped ethertype in BPF output? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:41:00 PDT." <199606110041.RAA19384@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:16:41 -0700 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >On Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:35:06 -0700 > Ted Lemon wrote: > > > Sigh. Yeah! Things have been crazy! > >Tell me about it.. :-) > > > > It's not just the ethertype, from what I can tell...See the following > > > kludge in NetBSD's rbootd(8) (the HP Remote Maintainance Protocol boot > > > server): > > > > That doesn't make sense. There isn't any length in the ethernet > > header! > >Eek, and now that I look at it, the HP RMP length field is in the same >place as ethertype ... So, rather than the "more than one place" (been a >long day), why don't we say "there's precedence for kludging around the >bug"... :-) ehh, uhh, well, send me a context diff for however people want it in the kernel. :-) -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 18:20:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA05735 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05154 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id CAA24153; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 02:16:19 +0100 (BST) To: Ade Barkah cc: Jaye Mathisen , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Anybody using a FreeBSD box as a gateway/BGP4 router with Sprint or MCI? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:18:15 MDT." <199606110018.SAA28455@hemi.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 02:16:19 +0100 Message-ID: <24151.834455779@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ade Barkah wrote in message ID <199606110018.SAA28455@hemi.com>: > You may want to check with them first. FreeBSD can talk BGP4 with > Gated, but Sprint and MCI may not allow you to use "non-validated" > routers. For example, at least last year, the Sprint required > everyone to use Cisco routers when multihomed. I don't believe that is an issue nowadays, since I am using an ISP who runs GateD and is multi-homed off SPRINT & AGIS, and is shortly going directly into MAE-East with a T3 line. I believe Dennis (dennis@etinc.com) has also explicitly stated (or one of his customers has) that they are using GateD to peer with both SPRINT and MCI. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 18:21:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA05916 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from night.xinside.com (root@night.xinside.com [199.164.187.35]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA05903; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from night.xinside.com (rav@nova.xinside.com [199.164.187.199]) by night.xinside.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA19576; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:29:53 -0600 Message-ID: <31BCCC0F.167EB0E7@xinside.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:29:51 -0600 From: Richard Van Dyke Organization: X Inside Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; BSD/OS 2.0 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: phk@freebsd.org CC: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: AHA 6360 with Tanberg 4220 tape? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm having some problems with the AIC adaptec 6360 (yes I know very slow.. it's only ocasionally driving a CD ROM and less often a tape drive.. and can save a slot since it is on a Sound Blaster already on the system) single chip HBA. It appears that the driver support supports the CD ROM (Toshiba xm3401-b) but chokes "unable to empty a SCSI FIFO" if I connect my tape drive (Tanberg TDC 4220). I've increased the SCSI latency to 30 seconds with no change (besides waiting 15 more seconds..). I think I need to tweek something more fundamental in the 6360 driver.. Using a AHA 1542b recgnizes the drive, but a AHA 1510 (AIC-6260) does not with the same error. As a wise sage pointed out, I could shell out for another HBA, but that kinda goes against the "Frugal Gourmet" mentality that I like so much about FreeBSD. Is it really stupid to even consider using a tape drive with a 6360? I'm assuming the answer is, "it will just take a little longer..". Comments and any suggestions welcome. -- ph: +1 303/298-7478 fax: +1 303/298-1406 mailto:rav@xinside.com X Inside,Inc "X Technology Specialists" http://www.xinside.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 18:34:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA08268 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08257 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA18869; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606110134.SAA18869@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Ted Lemon cc: Jason Thorpe , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swapped ethertype in BPF output? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:05:27 PDT." <199606110105.SAA28278@toccata.fugue.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:34:43 -0700 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Still, I feel like I might as well lean a little - this is >> definitely bogus. > >(blush) And, of course, if I had looked more closely at the headers >and noticed this was going to freebsd-hackers, I probably would have >stated that a bit more politely. > >I do think it's bogus, but I don't know why it was done, and based on >my experiences with FreeBSD people so far, I'm sure there was some >good reason for doing it this way. So I am trying to lean on y'all I think this is a matter of something that wasn't done rather than something that was. If the problem is with the type getting switched in the kernel, then it is likely that it's always been this way (inherited from 4.4BSD). I'd be happy to be proven wrong, however. In any case, I'd just as well see it changed to whatever people think is "correct". It seems to me that BPF should return the data to the user process exactly as it was received. The closest thing I could find when looking through the CVS logs is this from if_ethersubr.c (and all of the ethernet drivers): revision 1.4 date: 1994/11/24 14:29:38; author: davidg; state: Exp; lines: +11 -8 Moved conversion of ether_type to host byte order out of ethernet drivers and into ether_input(). It was silly to have bpf want this one way and ether_input want it another way. Ripped out trailer support from the few remaining drivers that still had it. ...but as far as I recall, this didn't change the calling convention of bpf_*tap at all. >about it, but you obviously have every right to lean back. Sorry for >the offensive faux pas. :'( Not offensive at all. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 18:40:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA08633 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08628 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA19728; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606110138.SAA19728@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: lestat.nas.nasa.gov: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: davidg@root.com Cc: Ted Lemon , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swapped ethertype in BPF output? Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:38:50 -0700 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:34:43 -0700 David Greenman wrote: > I'd just as well see it changed to whatever people think is "correct". For `consistency', I'd think that userland should see it in network order, where `consistency' is `consistency with other systems and with everything else in the packet'. ----save the ancient forests - http://www.bayarea.net/~thorpej/forest/---- Jason R. Thorpe thorpej@nas.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center Home: 408.866.1912 NAS: M/S 258-6 Work: 415.604.0935 Moffett Field, CA 94035 Pager: 415.428.6939 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 18:42:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA08747 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA08735 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA20190 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:42:40 -0700 Received: from bunghole.dunn.org (bunghole.dunn.org [206.158.7.243]) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA24327 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606110142.VAA24327@ns2.harborcom.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bradley Dunn" Organization: Harbor Communications To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:38:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! Reply-to: dunn@dunn.org Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.31) Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk While following this thread, an idea popped into my mind. The Apache developers list is summarized every week by UK Web. See: http://www.ukweb.com/support/apacheweek/ Maybe we could round up some volunteers to summarize the major lists (hackers,current,stable,questions,security) and post the summaries weekly on the web. This, of course, doesn't eliminate the cross-posting or dead horse threads. It also precludes any interaction in the discussions by someone who just reads the summaries. Yet it would provide a valuable service for many of the people on these lists, I think. Most of us just sit back and watch the majority of the time. I would be willing to handle one of the lists. Comments? On 11 Jun 96 at 0:10, Khetan Gajjar wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Darren Davis wrote: > > >There is too much noise, I think I need a straight jacket! > > I agree. Any reason to cross post to hackers and stable ? My reply > is cross-posted to give stable something else to mutter about > besides paying for stable ;-) > > >I came back to my email from the weekend, and I had over 400 > >hundred emails. > > You can filter it in a) your mail program or b) a external filter > program. I can only comment on Pine (yes, there is at least *one* > person using Pine ;-) - the latest (3.93) has built in filtering, > although I don't know how good it is - I don't use it. > > I use procmail (procmail-3.11p4) which is in the ports > (/usr/ports/mail/procmail) to filter mail for myself and my root > user. Bradley Dunn HarborCom You were expecting a witty saying? From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 18:57:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA09696 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA09686; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:57:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199606110157.SAA09686@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! To: bmc@telebase.com (Brian Clapper) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Cc: DARREND@novell.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199606101908.PAA06231@telebase.com.> from "Brian Clapper" at Jun 10, 96 03:08:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Clapper wrote: > > >>>>> "Darren" == Darren Davis writes: > > Darren> What are the thoughts on breaking this stuff out of mail lists and > Darren> into news groups? (At least there I can use kill files to > Darren> eliminate the noise.) Or, must I suffer this fate? Any > Darren> suggestions on how to manage this much email? Jordan, how do you > Darren> deal with all this traffic? > > My solution is to digest the stuff here through Majordomo, since the > `freebsd.org' mailing lists aren't "digested" at the source. Throw hold on there now pardner! several of the major lists are digested! certainly, hackers questions, and . send "lists" to majordomo for a list of all the lists that we support. if people want others digested, i can do that. but not announce or security-notifications. these are *very* low volume lists and should be propagated immediately jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 19:07:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA10114 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from battra.telebase.com (root@battra.telebase.com [192.132.57.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA10109; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wormhole.telebase.com by battra.telebase.com id WAA01686; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from willow.willscreek.com (root@willow.willscreek.com [172.16.11.101]) by wormhole.telebase.com (8.7.3/8.6.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA11005; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bmc@localhost) by willow.willscreek.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA00421; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606110206.WAA00421@willow.willscreek.com> From: Brian Clapper To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: DARREND@novell.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! In-Reply-To: <199606110157.SAA09686@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <199606101908.PAA06231@telebase.com.> <199606110157.SAA09686@freefall.freebsd.org> Reply-To: Brian Clapper Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Jonathan" == Jonathan M Bresler writes: Jonathan> hold on there now pardner! Jonathan> several of the major lists are digested! certainly, hackers Jonathan> questions, and . send "lists" to majordomo Jonathan> for a list of all the lists that we support. I checked the web page, rather than asking majordomo as I should've. Mea culpa. Still, I figured I would be corrected if I mispoke. :-) No insult intended. Thanks to Jonathan, there's your e-mail volume solution. ----- Brian Clapper ....................... bmc@WillsCreek.COM -or- bmc@telebase.com http://www.netaxs.com/~bmc/ ......... PGP public key available on request He who lives without folly is less wise than he believes. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 19:10:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA10413 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA10406; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:10:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199606110210.TAA10406@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: WARNING! incorrect mail filters results in being unsubscribed. To: DARREND@novell.com Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20907.834445971@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 10, 96 03:32:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Or, must I suffer this fate? Any suggestions on how to manage this much > > email? Jordan, how do you deal with all this traffic? > > I don't, I just suffer through hours of reading it each day. folks, a little warning about mail filters and the like. you bounce 30 message in one day back and me and WHACK! you are unsubscribed. now i will make allowances for obvious errors , figuring that you might notice the complete absence of mail, but that will only get you one more day of grace. i get from 300 - 2500 messages a day athe postmaster mailbox and i dont read all these %^)(#*@^& "file not found" messages. you can always resubscribe ;) consider this a formal warning. jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 19:38:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA12475 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA12469; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:38:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199606110238.TAA12469@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Re(2): Ahhhhhhhhhh! To: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Richard Wackerbarth" at Jun 10, 96 07:25:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Richard Wackerbarth wrote: > > The major complaint is that since you are subscribed to all three lists, you > get 3 or 4 copies of the same message. The solution is to avoid having > yourself subscribed to multiple lists. What you wish to do is subscribe to the > single list that is the set union of the various lists. > > Consider this logical (not actual implementation) scheme. > > There are 8 lists. in this example. there are about 51 FreeBSD mailing lists. 2^51 (hmmm....des is 2^56) allocate 1 byte for each that's (uhhh 20 is mega, 30 is giga, 40 is tera, 50 is peta!) 2 peta bytes ;)))) now that a little cruel, i must admit, but combinartorial explosion is a marvelous thing. just look at the number of people in the world. all from a little glob of matter that didnt know when to stop evoling ;) stable, current, hackers, questions...thats 16 already. ugh i aint real excited about setting up 32 lists (5 done already) > 1. Just stable > 2. Just current > 4. Just hackers > > 3. stable and current > 5. stable and hackers > 6. current and hackers > > 7. stable, current, and hackers > > 8. None of the above jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 19:47:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA13111 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA13106 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA00972; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:46:13 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606110246.TAA00972@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Swapped ethertype in BPF output? To: thorpej@nas.nasa.gov Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:46:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: davidg@Root.COM, mellon@fugue.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606110138.SAA19728@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> from "Jason Thorpe" at Jun 10, 96 06:38:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I'd just as well see it changed to whatever people think is "correct". > > For `consistency', I'd think that userland should see it in network > order, where `consistency' is `consistency with other systems and with > everything else in the packet'. Depends. Are you imposing meaning on the bytes by swapping them, and is that meaning potentially incorrect (ie: can I get packets where the meaning isn't the same, and therefore swapping is incorrect?). I think that the commited change to move the assumption above the BPF layer was done to support one of the AppleTalk servers (can't remember which one, off the top of my head) because you could not assume that the packet was Etherne_II vs. 802.2 vs. 802.3. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 20:07:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA15017 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA14987 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Glock.COM (glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id UAA07412 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA00726; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 23:04:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199606110304.XAA00726@Glock.COM> Subject: ST43400N To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 23:04:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone used one of these (Seagate ST43400N)? I got one for $379 ($.13/M) recently, and just tried to get it going (after spending an hour modifying my case to take a full height drive). I only tried with FreeBSD 2.1.0R and DOS 6.22. Under FreeBSD, it probes just fine, 2777M. But when I try to read from it or write to it, the system hangs, spitting out "ccb timeout" and some value that changes each time the error is printed. Under DOS 6.22 when I try "format c:" I get "Invalid device parameters from device driver." Anyone have any ideas? I'm sorta up a creek here... :( Thanks in advance! -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@goof.com http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 20:11:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA15447 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA15418; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:10:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199606110310.UAA15418@freefall.freebsd.org> To: fs, hackers Subject: LFS papers available Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk the LFS papers that i listed earlier are available in freefall.freebsd.org:/home/jmb/Papers. i wont be able to put them up for ftp till i get my regular net access back (damn terminal server leaks and locked... needs to be rebooted.....grrrr) if someone would be willing to put them up for ftp i can even mail them to you ;) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 20:13:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA15752 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucthpx.uct.ac.za (ucthpx.uct.ac.za [137.158.128.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA15740 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ucthpx.uct.ac.za (Smail3.1.29.1 #41) id m0uTJt8-000vZoC; Tue, 11 Jun 96 05:13 SAST Received: from leftside by leftside.its.uct.ac.za with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0uTCVm-000054C; Mon, 10 Jun 96 21:20 SAT Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:20:25 +0200 (SAT) From: Peter van Heusden X-Sender: pvh@leftside To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adduser program in C In-Reply-To: <9660.832995609@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 May 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > The dialog library is a bogus layer for abstracting this type of thing. > > > > You want a command line tool that can be used by a generic UI using > > a dialog library or a GUI making Motif calls, etc., to avoid code > > duplication. > > Sure, but for now I'd be happy to see a more functional adduser > replacement - so far, none of the efforts which have set out > to do this have born any fruit. :( > Hm. What is on the wish list? As a fairly hardened perl hacker, I might find some time to Help Save the World here. Peter From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 20:37:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA17756 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toccata.fugue.com (toccata.fugue.com [204.254.239.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA17737 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mellon@localhost) by toccata.fugue.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id UAA28829; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:35:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199606110335.UAA28829@toccata.fugue.com> To: Terry Lambert cc: thorpej@nas.nasa.gov, davidg@root.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swapped ethertype in BPF output? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:46:13 PDT." <199606110246.TAA00972@phaeton.artisoft.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:35:30 -0700 From: Ted Lemon Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Depends. Are you imposing meaning on the bytes by swapping them, > and is that meaning potentially incorrect (ie: can I get packets > where the meaning isn't the same, and therefore swapping is incorrect?). In order for the byte order on the packet to be wrong, the kernel has to do something extra to it. The behaviour of all the other BPF systems I've tried is to leave the packet alone and assume that the user program knows what it's doing. I believe that this makes the most sense. > I think that the commited change to move the assumption above the BPF > layer was done to support one of the AppleTalk servers (can't remember > which one, off the top of my head) because you could not assume that > the packet was Etherne_II vs. 802.2 vs. 802.3. This may explain why I've never been able to get CAP working on NetBSD/i386 or NetBSD/pmax (both little-endian), but it works just fine on SunOS (big-endian). Based on what you've said and based on my experiences trying to figure out the CAP sources, I'd guess that the bug is in CAP, not in BPF as it was *before* that change was made to it. _MelloN_ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 21:27:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA20999 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:27:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20982 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA09923; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606110427.AAA09923@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Authentication-Warning: whizzo.transsys.com: Host localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Rohit Dube cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: Routing Protocols References: <199606101903.PAA01502@seine.cs.UMD.EDU> In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:03:48 EDT." <199606101903.PAA01502@seine.cs.UMD.EDU> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:27:43 -0400 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > -------- > On Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:36:57 -0500 (CDT) tqbf@enteract.com writes: > =>> f) RSVP > => > =>What's RSVP? > => > ____ > > RSVP stands for Resource ReServation Protocol. > It is a protocol which seeks to provide QoS > guarantees over the internet, mostly for > multicast type traffic. ...and it's a way for an end-system/host to ask the network to do something (resource reservation) which it doesn't actually know how to do yet. louie From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 21:43:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA22331 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA22314 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA09949; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606110443.AAA09949@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Authentication-Warning: whizzo.transsys.com: Host localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! References: <199606110052.RAA02092@rah.star-gate.com> In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:52:44 PDT." <199606110052.RAA02092@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:43:31 -0400 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Well, I use > exmh + mh + glimpse + pgp 8) > If you're using MH, then you may find this perl script useful. It's both quick and dirty. It searches a specified folder for messages which have a Message-Id: header field which is a duplicate of another message previously encountered. It adds the duplicate message to the 'dups' sequence which you can then delete as 'rmm dups'. Later, when this has worked for more than a week, perhaps the script will do that as well. louie #!/usr/bin/perl # # add duplicated messages to 'dups' sequence # $ENV{'MHCONTEXT'}="/tmp/mh.$$"; chop($m = `mhpath +`); open(CTX, "<$m/context") || die "Can't open $m/context\n"; open(NEWCTX, ">$ENV{'MHCONTEXT'}") || die; while () { print NEWCTX; } close(CTX); close(NEWCTX); foreach $arg (@ARGV) { if ($arg eq "-a") { open(FLD, "folders -fast -noheader -recurse|"); while () { chop; push(@folders, $_); } close FLD; next; } if ($arg eq "-v") { $verbose++; $| = 1; next; } if ($arg eq "-l") { $list++; $verbose++; $| = 1; next; } $arg =~ s/^\+//; push(@folders, $arg); } if (!defined(@folders)) { chop($curfolder = `folder -fast`); push(@folders, $curfolder); } foreach $folder (@folders) { open(SCAN, "scan +$folder -wi 999 -format '%(msg) %<{message-id}%{message-id}%|NONE%>'|"); print "folder +$folder:" if $verbose; while() { chop; ($msg,$id) = split; next if $id =~ /NONE/; if (defined($IDS{$id})) { push(@DUPS, $msg); print "msg: $msg msgid: $id DUP of $IDS{$id}!\n"; } else { $IDS{$id} = $msg; } } close(SCAN); system "mark +$folder -seq dups -zero @DUPS"; } unlink $ENV{'MHCONTEXT'}; From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 22:16:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA24473 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA24465 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA22843; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:16:06 -0700 (PDT) To: Peter van Heusden cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adduser program in C In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 10 Jun 1996 21:20:25 +0200." Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:16:05 -0700 Message-ID: <22841.834470165@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hm. What is on the wish list? As a fairly hardened perl hacker, I might > find some time to Help Save the World here. Anyone around here still have that adduser "spec" I devised about 3 - 4 months ago? I can't find it in my mailing list archives. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 22:23:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA24853 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA24826; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id HAA05122; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:21:55 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id HAA05761; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:21:55 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA08925; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:18:07 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199606110518.HAA08925@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: AHA 6360 with Tanberg 4220 tape? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:18:07 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: phk@freebsd.org, rav@xinside.com (Richard Van Dyke) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <31BCCC0F.167EB0E7@xinside.com> from Richard Van Dyke at "Jun 10, 96 07:29:51 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Richard Van Dyke wrote: > Is it really stupid to even consider using a tape drive with a 6360? I'm > assuming the answer is, "it will just take a little longer..". No, it's only stupid to use anything with the current aic6360 driver. <:) I've had my own personal saga with it once as well, and this was at FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 time. Nothings seems to have happened to this driver meanwhile, except the ``routine tasks'' like devfs integration. You call it ``orphaned''? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 22:30:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA25079 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca [131.104.48.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25074; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from josh@localhost) by eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA02766; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:27:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Josh Tiefenbach Message-Id: <199606110527.BAA02766@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca> Subject: Re: LFS papers available To: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Cc: fs@freefall.freebsd.org, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606110310.UAA15418@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at "Jun 10, 96 08:10:53 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > the LFS papers that i listed earlier are available in > freefall.freebsd.org:/home/jmb/Papers. Those papers are now avail for ftp at: ftp://ftp.scis.org/pub/lfs/ More to follow, as I dig them up josh -- Josh Tiefenbach | "No, I'm not going to explain it. If you President, | can't figure it out, you didnt want to Society for Computing | know anyways..." -- Larry Wall and Information Science. | Email: josh@scis.org Web: http://www.scis.org/~josh/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 22:51:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA26708 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA26698; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id HAA05817; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:50:44 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id HAA06034; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:50:43 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA09007; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:25:26 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199606110525.HAA09007@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:25:26 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: postmaster@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <20907.834445971@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Jun 10, 96 03:32:51 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > For #1, I'm actually going to ask our long-suffering postmaster if > there's any way for us to kill cross-postings automatically. Quite Precendence list sucks. Anyway, majordomo could bounce back any mail that has more than two of the major lists included, or more than 10 items total in the Cc. (Two lists must be acceptable, so you can transfer a thread from one list into another one by the means of Reply-To.) This has a few effects: . since the mail will be bounced to the sender in case of being considered undue, the sender will be informed, . no mail will potentially delivered to the wrong list of recipients, . #1 and #2 will hopefully ``discipline'' the users and teach them to edit To and Cc lines in a group reply. ;-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 10 23:37:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA02240 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 23:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02052 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 23:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.7.5/8.6.5) id MAA11206; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 12:37:20 +0600 (GMT+0600) From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199606110637.MAA11206@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Re: your mail To: tam@cd.iidpwr.com (Tony Tam) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 12:37:20 +0600 (ESD) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199606101717.KAA10531@cd.iidpwr.com> from "Tony Tam" at Jun 10, 96 10:17:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > FreeBSD hackers, > > Good morning, FreeBSD hackers. > > I would like some help on DigiBoard PC/Xe. > > I am using FreeBSD-2.1.0-RELEASE. I compiled my kernel with the following option: > > device dgb0 at isa? port 0x320 iomem 0xfc0000 iosiz ? tty > > > Following messages comes up when I am trying to boot my FreeBSD with the above option: > > dgb0: port 0x320 mem 0xfc0000 > dgb0: got reset after 0 us > dgb0: PC/Xe 64/8K (windowed) > dgb0 at 0x320-0x323 maddr 0xfc0000 msize 8192 on isa > dgb0: internal memory segment 0xf000 > dgb0: got reset after 0 us > dgb0: switched to window 0x0 > dgb0: switched to window 0x7 > dgb0: switched to window 0x7 > dgb0: switched to window 0x0 > dgb0: switched to window 0x0 > dgb0: reset dropped after 0 us > dgb0: switched to window 0x0 > dgb0: BIOS download failed > dgb0: Error#(0x0,0x0) code=0x0 Does your machine have over 15M of memory ? If so, you need to map your Digiboard to some address in the ISA address hole (between 640K and 1M). -SB From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 00:03:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA08807 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.164]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA08795; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA05092; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:05:09 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:05:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: Steve Schwartz cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Boot Up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Steve Schwartz wrote: > virgin dos. I put in the disk, but the image onto it, and then rebooted, > and it gave me 'Read Error'. I thought it was a disk problem so I put it > in another disk, copied the image to it also. This time, when I rebooted > on it, it just sat there in the boot up. It would begin to read off of > the floppy, (as if it was going to boot) but then the light would turn > off, and the computer woudl just sit there. Hm. My first guess would either be that you have a BIOS setting somewhere disabling floppy boot or your floppy drive is broke. > I have a 486/75Mhz with > 8mb of ram. My brothers is a 486/66 8mb ram. I am confused what is > going on. I am going to upgrade my computer to a Pentium 150mhz 16mb ram > June 20th, but I want to install FreeBSD too much, and can't wait. I > think it would be neat to fool around with, and help me at my job. Do you have any other interesting hardware? Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 00:38:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA11043 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toccata.fugue.com (toccata.fugue.com [204.254.239.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA11038 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mellon@localhost) by toccata.fugue.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id AAA29287; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:38:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199606110738.AAA29287@toccata.fugue.com> To: davidg@root.com cc: Jason Thorpe , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swapped ethertype in BPF output? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:16:41 PDT." <199606110116.SAA18815@Root.COM> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:38:32 -0700 From: Ted Lemon Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > ehh, uhh, well, send me a context diff for however people want it in the > kernel. :-) Be careful what you ask for - you may get it! :') I believe that the patch below is the right way to solve the problem, although I'm by no means positive, since I don't have a FreeBSD machine to check it on. The patch is on the latest FreeBSD kernel snapshot (960606). It's not clear to me how this worked in 4.4BSD. The code just after the 4.4BSD merge in the NetBSD tree does the right thing, albeit in a slightly less efficient way. But this may be based on the previous NetBSD code, which is also correct. The changes below actually only do a runtime swap for AF_ISO and AF_CCITT (as if anybody cared) - otherwise the swap is done on a constant (ETHERTYPE_XXX) at compile time. So in addition to being (IMHO) correct, these changes make the code slightly faster. Not that I can claim credit for this - the changes are analogous to changes made by mycroft in the NetBSD tree. _MelloN_ *** sys/net/if_ethersubr.c~ Wed Jun 5 12:49:24 1996 --- sys/net/if_ethersubr.c Tue Jun 11 00:19:52 1996 *************** *** 145,154 **** mcopy = m_copy(m, 0, (int)M_COPYALL); off = m->m_pkthdr.len - m->m_len; ! type = ETHERTYPE_IP; break; #endif #ifdef NS case AF_NS: ! type = ETHERTYPE_NS; bcopy((caddr_t)&(((struct sockaddr_ns *)dst)->sns_addr.x_host), (caddr_t)edst, sizeof (edst)); --- 145,154 ---- mcopy = m_copy(m, 0, (int)M_COPYALL); off = m->m_pkthdr.len - m->m_len; ! type = htons (ETHERTYPE_IP); break; #endif #ifdef NS case AF_NS: ! type = htons (ETHERTYPE_NS); bcopy((caddr_t)&(((struct sockaddr_ns *)dst)->sns_addr.x_host), (caddr_t)edst, sizeof (edst)); *************** *** 190,194 **** if (m == NULL) return (0); ! type = m->m_pkthdr.len; l = mtod(m, struct llc *); l->llc_dsap = l->llc_ssap = LLC_ISO_LSAP; --- 190,194 ---- if (m == NULL) return (0); ! type = htons (m->m_pkthdr.len); l = mtod(m, struct llc *); l->llc_dsap = l->llc_ssap = LLC_ISO_LSAP; *************** *** 226,230 **** } } ! type = m->m_pkthdr.len; #ifdef LLC_DEBUG { --- 226,230 ---- } } ! type = htons (m->m_pkthdr.len); #ifdef LLC_DEBUG { *************** *** 267,271 **** senderr(ENOBUFS); eh = mtod(m, struct ether_header *); - type = htons((u_short)type); (void)memcpy(&eh->ether_type, &type, sizeof(eh->ether_type)); --- 267,270 ---- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 00:51:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA11414 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA11406 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id AAA09713 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA15125; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:49:29 +0300 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:49:28 +0300 (EET DST) From: Narvi To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Peter van Heusden , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adduser program in C In-Reply-To: <22841.834470165@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eat good food, preserve nature, be nice to all nice people :) On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Hm. What is on the wish list? As a fairly hardened perl hacker, I might > > find some time to Help Save the World here. > > Anyone around here still have that adduser "spec" I devised about 3 - > 4 months ago? I can't find it in my mailing list archives. > > Jordan > It is possible that I still have it around - I'll try to look it up. Sander From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 01:19:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA12848 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from valis.worldgate.com (root@valis.worldgate.com [198.161.84.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA12827; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gras-varg.worldgate.com (root@gras-varg.worldgate.com [198.161.84.12]) by valis.worldgate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA05219; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 02:19:01 -0600 Received: (from skafte@localhost) by gras-varg.worldgate.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id CAA00736; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 02:19:00 -0600 (MDT) From: Greg Skafte Message-Id: <199606110819.CAA00736@gras-varg.worldgate.com> Subject: IP Firewall gotchas To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@worldgate.com Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 02:18:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL14 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk After much experimenting I have noticed, that the current version of ip_fw.c etc. in freebsd _stable_ does not have any provisions for igmp or ip multicast. So I have had to open the firewall a little wider that I would like to accomadate this scenario. I was expermenting with gated 3.5beta3 to talk to our ospf routers and noticed depending on the rules I selected, there were no ospf transfers. After a few tcpdumps and careful placement of packet accounting I found that the total in and out packets did not exactly match the various rule sets. guess why ospf uses multicast and igmp packets. Has any one hacked ip_fw.[c,h] and ipfw to allow for more _modern_ ip support or is this stuff hiding in _current_. would people be interested in hacking ip_fw.[c,h] to assist in these higher order ip functions .... I dont normally read the mail lists so write directly to me and I will mail a summary to the appropriate lists. -- Internet: skafte@worldgate.com Voice: +403 428 0150 When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a whole lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the simplest thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex.(janet morris) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 01:31:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA13575 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.pa-consulting.com (ns.pa-consulting.com [193.118.224.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA13560 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SMTPGATE.PA-CONSULTING.COM by ns.pa-consulting.com (8.6.4) id JAA05129; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:40:23 +0100 Received: by SMTPGATE.PA-CONSULTING.COM with Microsoft Mail id <31BDA174@SMTPGATE.PA-CONSULTING.COM>; Tue, 11 Jun 96 09:40:20 PDT From: Duncan Barclay To: freebsd-hackers Subject: Aotu mounter +NFS LKM Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 09:15:00 PDT Message-ID: <31BDA174@SMTPGATE.PA-CONSULTING.COM> Encoding: 24 TEXT, 149 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-MS-Attachment: AMD_DIFF. 4316 05-09-1996 22:46 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear All Over the weekend I decided to try and get amd to help me mount floppies. After reading the manuals and understanding it I got down to work but it didnt. After a while it dawned on me that amd uses nfs, ergo one needs nfs in the kernel, as I run a standalone machine I dont have nfs compiled into my kernel. Ahh I thought what about the nfs lkm? Does it load using modload...no panic after panic after panic. However all was not lost, run mountd or nfsd or nfsiod and the lkm is installed correctly. So patch up amd to check for nfs and load the module if it is not there. Diffs included Duncan Barclay [[ AMD_DIFF : 2309 in AMD_DIFF. ]] Only in /cdrom/usr/src/usr.sbin/amd/amd: 00_TRANS.TBL diff -c amd/ChangeLog /cdrom/usr/src/usr.sbin/amd/amd/ChangeLog *** amd/ChangeLog Sun Feb 18 13:16:45 1996 --- /cdrom/usr/src/usr.sbin/amd/amd/ChangeLog Wed May 25 15:22:04 1994 *************** *** 1,13 **** - Sun Feb 17 1996 Duncan Barclay - * (amd.c) Added in LKM checking for nfs. - - * (ufs_ops.c) Removed FS_NOTIMEOUT flag for ufs filesystems - so that they can timeout on floppy disks. - This may really break if amd is started with a -r flag. I - haven't tried it... - - * Also updated manpage to refelct LKM bit. - Sun Jun 7 19:01:37 1992 Jan-Simon Pendry (jsp at achilles) * Code cut for BSD 4.4 alpha. --- 1,3 ---- diff -c amd/Makefile /cdrom/usr/src/usr.sbin/amd/amd/Makefile *** amd/Makefile Sun Feb 18 13:12:58 1996 --- /cdrom/usr/src/usr.sbin/amd/amd/Makefile Sun Aug 7 10:04:11 1994 *************** *** 28,32 **** .PATH: ${.CURDIR}/../rpcx ${.CURDIR}/../config .include "Makefile.config" ! .include "../Makefile.inc" .include --- 28,32 ---- .PATH: ${.CURDIR}/../rpcx ${.CURDIR}/../config .include "Makefile.config" ! .include "../../Makefile.inc" .include diff -c amd/amd.8 /cdrom/usr/src/usr.sbin/amd/amd/amd.8 *** amd/amd.8 Sun Feb 18 13:06:21 1996 --- /cdrom/usr/src/usr.sbin/amd/amd/amd.8 Wed May 25 15:22:02 1994 *************** *** 183,204 **** .Fl v option and a fuller description is available in the program source. - .Pp - If - .Nm amd - detects that the running kernel does not include - .Tn NFS - support, it will attempt to load a loadable kernel module containing - .Tn NFS - code, using - .Xr modload 8 - by way of - .Xr vfsload 3 . - If this fails, or no - .Tn NFS - LKM was available, - .Nm amd - exits with an error. .Sh FILES .Bl -tag -width /axx .It Pa /a --- 183,188 ---- diff -c amd/amd.c /cdrom/usr/src/usr.sbin/amd/amd/amd.c *** amd/amd.c Sun Feb 18 12:56:57 1996 --- /cdrom/usr/src/usr.sbin/amd/amd/amd.c Wed May 25 15:22:00 1994 *************** *** 56,62 **** #include #include #include - #include char pid_fsname[16 + MAXHOSTNAMELEN]; /* "kiska.southseas.nz:(pid%d)" */ char *progname; /* "amd" */ --- 56,61 ---- *************** *** 196,220 **** char *domdot; int ppid = 0; int error; - struct vfsconf *vfc; /* ! * Make sure some built-in assumptions are true before we start. ! * Like NFS is in the kernel. (dmlb 18/2/96) */ - vfc = getvfsbyname("nfs"); - if(!vfc && vfsisloadable("nfs")) { - if(vfsload("nfs")) - err(1, "vfsload(nfs)"); - endvfsent(); /* flush cache */ - vfc = getvfsbyname("nfs"); - } - - if(!vfc) { - errx(1, "NFS support is not available in the running kernel"); - } - - #define MAXNFSDCNT 20 assert(sizeof(nfscookie) >= sizeof (unsigned int)); assert(sizeof(int) >= 4); --- 195,204 ---- char *domdot; int ppid = 0; int error; /* ! * Make sure some built-in assumptions are true before we start */ assert(sizeof(nfscookie) >= sizeof (unsigned int)); assert(sizeof(int) >= 4); diff -c amd/ufs_ops.c /cdrom/usr/src/usr.sbin/amd/amd/ufs_ops.c *** amd/ufs_ops.c Sat Feb 17 23:46:16 1996 --- /cdrom/usr/src/usr.sbin/amd/amd/ufs_ops.c Wed May 25 15:22:02 1994 *************** *** 169,185 **** 0, /* ufs_umounted */ find_afs_srvr, #ifdef FLUSH_KERNEL_NAME_CACHE ! FS_MKMNT|FS_UBACKGROUND|FS_AMQINFO #else /* FLUSH_KERNEL_NAME_CACHE */ ! FS_MKMNT|FS_UBACKGROUND|FS_AMQINFO #endif /* FLUSH_KERNEL_NAME_CACHE */ }; - /* dmlb 2/96 - * The above two options lines used to read - * FS_MKMNT|FS_NOTIMEOUT|FS_UBACKGROUND|FS_AMQINFO - * which means that ufs file systems cannot timeout. - * I removed this so that I can mount floppys and unmount them okay - * - */ #endif /* HAS_UFS */ --- 169,178 ---- 0, /* ufs_umounted */ find_afs_srvr, #ifdef FLUSH_KERNEL_NAME_CACHE ! FS_MKMNT|FS_NOTIMEOUT|FS_UBACKGROUND|FS_AMQINFO #else /* FLUSH_KERNEL_NAME_CACHE */ ! FS_MKMNT|FS_NOTIMEOUT|FS_UBACKGROUND|FS_AMQINFO #endif /* FLUSH_KERNEL_NAME_CACHE */ }; #endif /* HAS_UFS */  From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 01:46:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA14490 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DATAPLEX.NET (SHARK.DATAPLEX.NET [199.183.109.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA14480 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 199.183.109.242 by DATAPLEX.NET with SMTP (MailShare 1.0fc5); Tue, 11 Jun 1996 03:46:20 -0600 Message-ID: Date: 11 Jun 1996 03:46:05 -0500 From: "Richard Wackerbarth" Subject: Multiple Mailing lists To: "hackers@freebsd.org" , "Jonathan M. Bresler" X-Mailer: Mail*Link PT/Internet 1.6.0 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jonathan Bresler writes: >> There are 8 lists. > in this example. there are about 51 FreeBSD mailing lists. If you could read, you would notice that I acknowledged that there were other lists. However, many of them are not a problem. I doubt there there is much cross posting to ctm-src-2_1 and something else :-) If we handle the "most common offenses" we will have solved 99% of the problem. I suspect that most people could live with the rest. > stable, current, hackers, questions...thats 16 already. ugh > i aint real excited about setting up 32 lists (5 done already) Only if you offer all the combinations. Actually, I don't see a real problem having even 128 lists if we automate the signup process so that it is transparent. The individual lists are just (the equivalent of) alias records used for distribution. A fairly simple Perl (or other language) script can compute the code number of the resulting list that is appropriate for individual additions or deletions from each of the named lists. -- Richard Wackerbarth rkw@dataplex.net -- ...computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and weigh only 1/2 tons. -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 01:50:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA14684 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA14677 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pancake.remcomp.fr (pancake.remcomp.fr [194.51.30.1]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id BAA10016 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zapata.omnix.fr.org (zapata [128.127.10.1]) by zapata.omnix.fr.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA16964 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:30:42 +0200 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:30:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: didier@omnix.fr.org To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD 2.2-current May 1st cdrom Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I tried to install FreeBSD 2.2-current without any success. the first part was ok. it installed the file systems but has been unable to install the rest of dists. I install dists manually from a 2.1-stable file system. the I've not been able to reboot. disk scsi id=0: quantum fireball (freebsd 2.1-stable) disk scsi id=1: quantum maverick msdos disk scsi id=4: seagate hawk (freebsd 2.2-current) when I try to boot with: sd(2,a)/kernel I got a list of line C:0 S:0 H:0 and nothing else do you have any suggestion ? -- Didier Derny | My computer is Microsoft Free... didier@omnix.fr.org | FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE site From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 01:51:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA14724 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA14719 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id BAA10028 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA01582 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:47:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199606110847.BAA01582@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:25:26 +0200." <199606110525.HAA09007@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:47:06 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Personally, I think that we should either go to usenet or provide a Web Interface to this mailing list. I would love to unsubscribe however there is still interesting material flowing thru. Right now, if I suspect that a thread is inmaterial I just select all the messages and hit delete . So if you have something interesting and relevant to this mailing list I suggest you change the subject line cause I am very certain that I am not the only one who does bulk deletes 8) Amancio >From The Desk Of J Wunsch : > As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > For #1, I'm actually going to ask our long-suffering postmaster if > > there's any way for us to kill cross-postings automatically. Quite > > Precendence list sucks. Anyway, majordomo could bounce back any mail > that has more than two of the major lists included, or more than 10 > items total in the Cc. (Two lists must be acceptable, so you can > transfer a thread from one list into another one by the means of > Reply-To.) > > This has a few effects: > > . since the mail will be bounced to the sender in case of being > considered undue, the sender will be informed, > > . no mail will potentially delivered to the wrong list of recipients, > > . #1 and #2 will hopefully ``discipline'' the users and teach them > to edit To and Cc lines in a group reply. > > ;-) > > -- > cheers, J"org > > joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 01:58:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA15204 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jkh@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA15193 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:58:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199606110858.BAA15193@freefall.freebsd.org> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Don't hit.. Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here's a really warped and twisted idea I just got.. You know how most commercial software installers take advantage of the "dead time" during system installation to give the user lots of handy tips on the kinds of things they might encounter or how to send off a warranty registration card, etc and so forth? Well. Erm.. It wouldn't be all that hard to make the sysinstall do that in novice mode, either. Given an array of tip strings like "Be sure and see our web pages at http://www.freebsd.org!", I could whap them up along with the "progress bar" dialog during the installation. Lot of dead time spent looking at that stupid status bar. What do you think? Puke, wretch, gag me with a microsoft splash product screen or sort of a good idea? If you have opinions verging more towards the "good idea" side, send me your tip strings and I'll collect them.. If you think this idea is hateful and you'd personally refuse to use sysinstall ever again if it were incorporated (though what are you doing in "novice" mode, dude? :) then let me know that, too. Thanks! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 03:03:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA19682 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 03:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA19677 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 03:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA00420 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 03:03:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199606111003.DAA00420@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Don't hit.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:58:32 PDT." <199606110858.BAA15193@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 03:03:33 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I like your idea. Do you think that it would be a warp idea to have on one of the flyers how much traffic went tru ftp.freebsd.org 8) Also, any interesting freebsd systems like the cluster of freebsd boxes which does mpeg-2 encoding in real-time 8) BTW: your info-mercials should be less than 15 minutes because thats what it took me to install FreeBSD-2.2 from a 6x cdrom 8) Oh, I know you can install freebsd from a file system a lot quicker still 15 minutes from a cdrom is damn good. It could have taken a lot less if I had not install the sources for X... Amancio >From The Desk Of "Jordan K. Hubbard" : > Here's a really warped and twisted idea I just got.. You know how > most commercial software installers take advantage of the "dead time" > during system installation to give the user lots of handy tips on > the kinds of things they might encounter or how to send off a warranty > registration card, etc and so forth? Well. Erm.. It wouldn't From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 03:33:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA21515 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 03:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.gslink.com (steve@server.gslink.com [205.157.143.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA21510; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 03:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by server.gslink.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA23241; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:44:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:44:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Schwartz To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Boot Up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hm. My first guess would either be that you have a BIOS setting > somewhere disabling floppy boot or your floppy drive is broke. > > > I have a 486/75Mhz with > > 8mb of ram. My brothers is a 486/66 8mb ram. I am confused what is > > going on. I am going to upgrade my computer to a Pentium 150mhz 16mb ram > > June 20th, but I want to install FreeBSD too much, and can't wait. I > > think it would be neat to fool around with, and help me at my job. > > Do you have any other interesting hardware? When I stuck the FreeBSD boot disk in my computer just froze. When I put BSDI's boot disk in got the following message: Warning, CMOS geometry for C: is mapped, too many heads Mapped Geometry: 63 sectors 64 heads 787 cylinders Drive geometry: 63 sectors 16 heads 3148 cylinders I have on my C: a 1.6 Western Digital with 3 partitions. A 900MB (Win95) 250(Empty for Unix/Linux) and 350(NT4.0) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 03:48:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA22502 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 03:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fgate.flevel.co.uk (fgate.flevel.co.uk [194.6.101.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA22495; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 03:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dev@localhost) by fgate.flevel.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA24968; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:52:32 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:52:32 +0100 (BST) From: Developer To: Gary Palmer cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 64 bit IP addresses? In-Reply-To: <22421.834427271@palmer.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Gary Palmer wrote: > Developer wrote in message ID > : > > I was wondering if there were any plans to support 64 bit IP addresses > > within FreeBSD and if anyone know how viable it would be to use the new > > larger 64 bit addresses on a FreeBSD based network? > > 64 bit addressing == IPv6. > > To the best of my knowledge, no-one is using IPv6 except for testing > and development. There are several IPv6 implimentations available for > FreeBSD, but at this time there are no immediate plans for > incorporation of IPv6 features into FreeBSD. > > If you want to experiment with IPv6, a quick search of our list > archives (or, alternatively, AltaVista) will turn up the v6 > implimentations available for FTP that support FreeBSD. Thanks for that.. do you know the ftp site address for this? I'd be interested to know how the tcp applications handle the larger IP addresses when they are not built for it? Regards, Trefor S. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 04:01:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA23199 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 04:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hda (ip86-max1-fitch.zipnet.net [199.232.245.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA23181; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 04:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda (8.6.11/8.6.9) id HAA26599; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:07:30 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199606111107.HAA26599@hda> Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Cc: DARREND@novell.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20907.834445971@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 10, 96 03:32:51 pm Reply-to: hdalog@zipnet.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I don't, I just suffer through hours of reading it each day. > > There are a couple of things we can do to help. > (Climb up on the soapbox) 1. Automatically bounce back anything cross posted between hackers/stable/current (in either "To:" or "Reply-to") forcing the originator to select only one major list. Use -announce for anything that really has to go between more than one of these lists. I don't know enough about majordomo to know if this works out of the box. 2. Move a thread to a new list by sending a separate message that says "moving to " as the body. Hopefully no one will reply to it. 3. Use appropriate subjects! I won't even read a message with an inappropriate subject. For some reason I just had to know what "Ahhhh!" was about. 4. Don't change discussion content without changing the title. Start a new thread with the extracted pearl, an appropriate title, and on the proper list. 5. Use -chat. 6. Add -policy, or use -chat for -policy. When there is no technical content in a thread it doesn't belong on a technical list. Ideally I'd move this over to -chat but I know that will not work, resulting in this being carried on in two places. This message has no technical content, and so it will be appropriate in the future for chastising me for sending it to -hackers. And most importantly: 7. The biggest responsibility falls on the originator. Once a thread is off on the wrong list, with the wrong subject, or has started discussing something new without changing the list or the subject it is too late to do much as follow ups will go all over the place. -- Peter Dufault Real-Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 05:31:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA06563 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 05:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA06552 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 05:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA03875; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:30:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199606111230.IAA03875@Glock.COM> Subject: Re: ST43400N To: mrm@MARMOT.Mole.ORG (M.R.Murphy) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606111129.EAA27514@meerkat.mole.org> from "M.R.Murphy" at Jun 11, 96 04:29:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk M.R.Murphy writes: > > Anyone used one of these (Seagate ST43400N)? I got one > > for $379 ($.13/M) recently, and just tried to get it going (after > > spending an hour modifying my case to take a full height drive). > > I only tried with FreeBSD 2.1.0R and DOS 6.22. Under FreeBSD, it > > probes just fine, 2777M. But when I try to read from it or write > > to it, the system hangs, spitting out "ccb timeout" and some > > value that changes each time the error is printed. Under DOS > > 6.22 when I try "format c:" I get "Invalid device parameters from > > device driver." Anyone have any ideas? I'm sorta up a creek > > here... :( Thanks in advance! > You want to share what you've tried for the /etc/disktab entry for the > device? The drive hangs before a "fdisk sd1" completes, so I haven't even gotten as far as writing a disktab for it, since I can't get the probed geometry values for it. -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@goof.com http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 05:39:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA08155 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 05:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from green.eggtech.com (green.eggtech.com [206.149.28.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA08082; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 05:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mikee@localhost) by green.eggtech.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA04146; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:39:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:39:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199606111239.HAA04146@green.eggtech.com> From: Mike Eggleston To: john@ulantris.infinop.com CC: jkh@time.cdrom.com, questions@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <199606102345.SAA06144@ulantris.infinop.com> (john@ulantris.infinop.com) Subject: Re: T-shirts for donations ;)...Maybe????? Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "John" == John A Booth writes: >> > Also, there was mention of non-profit status. I think it would >> be time and > money well spent to make it so that contributions >> were tax deductible. This >> >> Just to clarify this once more: If there were enough money coming >> in to offset the headache of the additional bookkeeping, I'd do it >> (and > I think $25.00 donation (for a BSD daemon t-shirt/FreeBSD related > attire) may go over well. Any comments?... I'd donate for a t-shirt or mug, etc. Just like Public Access TV stations. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 06:20:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA18203 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail13.digital.com (mail13.digital.com [192.208.46.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA18184 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from muggsy.lkg.dec.com by mail13.digital.com (8.7.5/UNX 1.2/1.0/WV) id JAA12661; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from whydos.lkg.dec.com by muggsy.lkg.dec.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) with SMTP id AA07110; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:12:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whydos.lkg.dec.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA24849; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:16:46 GMT Message-Id: <199606110916.JAA24849@whydos.lkg.dec.com> X-Authentication-Warning: whydos.lkg.dec.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: davidg@root.com Cc: Ted Lemon , Jason Thorpe , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swapped ethertype in BPF output? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:34:43 MST." <199606110134.SAA18869@Root.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:16:33 +0000 From: Matt Thomas Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I think the input side is OK. It's just the output side that's broken. This is due to the ether_type being in host order when ether_output is called with a dst sockaddr of AF_UNSPEC. Under NetBSD and BSD/OS the ether_type is in network order. Since arp is the primary caller of ether_output with an AF_UNSPEC dst sockaddr. Note that FDDI does not suffer from this problem. bpf calls fddi_output with a sockaddr of AF_IMPLINK which tells fddi_output to not touch the packet expect for the source address. The attached diffs (relative to 2.1.0-RELEASE sources) show one possible solution. Matt Thomas Internet: matt@3am-software.com 3am Software Foundry WWW URL: http://www.3am-software.com/bio/matt.html Westford, MA Disclaimer: I disavow all knowledge of this message --- net/if_ethersubr.c.orig Sun Jun 11 19:31:39 1995 +++ net/if_ethersubr.c Tue Jun 11 09:08:21 1996 @@ -144,12 +144,12 @@ if ((m->m_flags & M_BCAST) && (ifp->if_flags & IFF_SIMPLEX)) mcopy = m_copy(m, 0, (int)M_COPYALL); off = m->m_pkthdr.len - m->m_len; - type = ETHERTYPE_IP; + type = htons(ETHERTYPE_IP); break; #endif #ifdef NS case AF_NS: - type = ETHERTYPE_NS; + type = htons(ETHERTYPE_NS); bcopy((caddr_t)&(((struct sockaddr_ns *)dst)->sns_addr.x_host), (caddr_t)edst, sizeof (edst)); if (!bcmp((caddr_t)edst, (caddr_t)&ns_thishost, sizeof(edst))) @@ -189,7 +189,7 @@ M_PREPEND(m, 3, M_DONTWAIT); if (m == NULL) return (0); - type = m->m_pkthdr.len; + type = htons(m->m_pkthdr.len); l = mtod(m, struct llc *); l->llc_dsap = l->llc_ssap = LLC_ISO_LSAP; l->llc_control = LLC_UI; @@ -225,7 +225,7 @@ (caddr_t)eh->ether_shost, sizeof (edst)); } } - type = m->m_pkthdr.len; + type = htons(m->m_pkthdr.len); #ifdef LLC_DEBUG { int i; @@ -266,7 +266,6 @@ if (m == 0) senderr(ENOBUFS); eh = mtod(m, struct ether_header *); - type = htons((u_short)type); (void)memcpy(&eh->ether_type, &type, sizeof(eh->ether_type)); (void)memcpy(eh->ether_dhost, edst, sizeof (edst)); --- netinet/if_ether.c.orig Sun Jul 23 05:26:13 1995 +++ netinet/if_ether.c Tue Jun 11 09:07:03 1996 @@ -262,7 +262,7 @@ eh = (struct ether_header *)sa.sa_data; bzero((caddr_t)ea, sizeof (*ea)); (void)memcpy(eh->ether_dhost, etherbroadcastaddr, sizeof(eh->ether_dhost)); - eh->ether_type = ETHERTYPE_ARP; /* if_output will swap */ + eh->ether_type = htons(ETHERTYPE_ARP); /* if_output will not swap */ ea->arp_hrd = htons(ARPHRD_ETHER); ea->arp_pro = htons(ETHERTYPE_IP); ea->arp_hln = sizeof(ea->arp_sha); /* hardware address length */ @@ -526,7 +526,7 @@ ea->arp_pro = htons(ETHERTYPE_IP); /* let's be sure! */ eh = (struct ether_header *)sa.sa_data; (void)memcpy(eh->ether_dhost, ea->arp_tha, sizeof(eh->ether_dhost)); - eh->ether_type = ETHERTYPE_ARP; + eh->ether_type = htons(ETHERTYPE_ARP); sa.sa_family = AF_UNSPEC; sa.sa_len = sizeof(sa); (*ac->ac_if.if_output)(&ac->ac_if, m, &sa, (struct rtentry *)0); From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 06:24:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA19575 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA19292 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA17775; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:26:53 +0300 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:26:53 +0300 (EET DST) From: Narvi To: Rohit Dube cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Routing Protocols In-Reply-To: <199606101747.NAA00753@seine.cs.UMD.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Rohit Dube wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering if there are any free implementations of the > following (native FreeBSD or otherwise). > > a) RIP / IGRP / OSPF > b) BGP / EGP Covered by Gated, I think > c) MOSPF / DVMRP / PIM > d) SNMP There was recently some discussion on this > e) IPv6 It is said that there is, but nothing has been commited as far as I know. Sander > f) RSVP > > > THANKS in advance. > > --rohit. > > PS: Some of this might be obvious but I am still putting together my > FreeBSD machine. Please bear with me. > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 06:26:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA20294 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from battra.telebase.com (root@battra.telebase.com [192.132.57.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA20281 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wormhole.telebase.com by battra.telebase.com id JAA00916; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from odo.telebase.com (root@odo.telebase.com [172.16.2.217]) by wormhole.telebase.com (8.7.3/8.6.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA18618; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bmc@localhost) by odo.telebase.com (8.7.5/8.6.9.1) id JAA12427; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606111326.JAA12427@telebase.com.> From: Brian Clapper To: David Kelly Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Quicken (was Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh!) In-Reply-To: <129338953@toto.iv> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "David" == David Kelly writes: David> So while I'm off the subject: anyone know of a Quicken-like David> application for FreeBSD? :-) Curtis Olson's Check Book Balancer (CBB). The latest version of CBB is available at: ftp.me.umn.edu:/pub/finance/cbb-[version].tar.gz It requires perl 4.036 or later (perl5 is preferred) and tk4.0 or later. It'll read Quicken input files, apparently. ---- Brian Clapper .............................................. bmc@telebase.com http://www.netaxs.com/~bmc/ ............. PGP public key available on request How can you work when the system's so crowded? From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 06:42:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA24263 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA24249 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA04272; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:42:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199606111342.JAA04272@Glock.COM> Subject: Re: ST43400N To: mrm@MARMOT.Mole.ORG (M.R.Murphy) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606111308.GAA27767@meerkat.mole.org> from "M.R.Murphy" at Jun 11, 96 06:08:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk M.R.Murphy writes: > > M.R.Murphy writes: > > > > Anyone used one of these (Seagate ST43400N)? I got > > > > one for $379 ($.13/M) recently, and just tried to get it > > > > going (after spending an hour modifying my case to take > > > > a full height drive). I only tried with FreeBSD 2.1.0R > > > > and DOS 6.22. Under FreeBSD, it probes just fine, 2777M. > > > > But when I try to read from it or write to it, the system > > > > hangs, spitting out "ccb timeout" and some value that > > > > changes each time the error is printed. Under DOS 6.22 > > > > when I try "format c:" I get "Invalid device parameters > > > > from device driver." Anyone have any ideas? I'm sorta > > > > up a creek here... :( Thanks in advance! > > > You want to share what you've tried for the /etc/disktab > > > entry for the device? > > The drive hangs before a "fdisk sd1" completes, so I haven't > > even gotten as far as writing a disktab for it, since I can't > > get the probed geometry values for it. > When it probed 2777M, what else did it say? sd1(ncr0:2:0): Direct-Access sd1(ncr0:2:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. 2777MB (5688447 512 byte sectors) > What kind of SCSI interface do you have? What low-level > formatters do you have available? It's an NCR810 controller. I don't believe it has any low-level formatting capability, and I don't think it came with much software, but I can see if it will let me lowlevel format it. Do you think that the problem is the low-level formatting of the device? Here's some info the sheet on the ST43400N has: ---- ** Already low-level formatted at the factory with six spare sectors per cylinder, one spare cylinders/unit, one system cylinder/unit, and one diagnostic cylinder/unit. ---- -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@goof.com http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 06:43:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA24405 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zygorthian-space-raiders.MIT.EDU (ZYGORTHIAN-SPACE-RAIDERS.MIT.EDU [18.70.0.61]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA24395 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mycroft@localhost) by zygorthian-space-raiders.MIT.EDU (8.7.4/8.6.11) id JAA21684; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:43:26 -0400 (EDT) To: Ted Lemon Cc: Jason Thorpe , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swapped ethertype in BPF output? References: <199606110035.RAA28148@toccata.fugue.com> From: mycroft@mit.edu (Charles M. Hannum) Date: 11 Jun 1996 09:43:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: Ted Lemon's message of Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:35:06 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: September Gnus v0.83/Emacs 19.30 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ted Lemon writes: > > > It's not just the ethertype, from what I can tell...See the following > > kludge in NetBSD's rbootd(8) (the HP Remote Maintainance Protocol boot > > server): > > That doesn't make sense. There isn't any length in the ethernet > header! RMP uses 802.3 encapsulation. The `packet length' field of 802.3 is in the same place as the `packet type' field of Ethernet II. The relevant FreeBSD code uses host byte order for both. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 06:47:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA25133 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA24883; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA18139; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:45:35 +0300 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:45:35 +0300 (EET DST) From: Narvi To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Don't hit.. In-Reply-To: <199606110858.BAA15193@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Here's a really warped and twisted idea I just got.. You know how > most commercial software installers take advantage of the "dead time" > during system installation to give the user lots of handy tips on > the kinds of things they might encounter or how to send off a warranty > registration card, etc and so forth? Well. Erm.. It wouldn't > be all that hard to make the sysinstall do that in novice mode, > either. Given an array of tip strings like "Be sure and see our > web pages at http://www.freebsd.org!", I could whap them up along > with the "progress bar" dialog during the installation. Lot of > dead time spent looking at that stupid status bar. > > What do you think? Puke, wretch, gag me with a microsoft splash product > screen or sort of a good idea? If you have opinions verging more > towards the "good idea" side, send me your tip strings and I'll collect > them.. If you think this idea is hateful and you'd personally refuse to use > sysinstall ever again if it were incorporated (though what are you > doing in "novice" mode, dude? :) then let me know that, too. Cool!!! We could even make a ascii-movie featuring Chuck.... :-) No the idea is really good. The way to go. Will there be a way of suggesting the tips? Some kind of contest? :-) Sander > > Thanks! > > Jordan > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 06:51:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA25979 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zygorthian-space-raiders.MIT.EDU (ZYGORTHIAN-SPACE-RAIDERS.MIT.EDU [18.70.0.61]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA25970 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mycroft@localhost) by zygorthian-space-raiders.MIT.EDU (8.7.4/8.6.11) id JAA21712; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:51:51 -0400 (EDT) To: Ted Lemon Cc: Terry Lambert , thorpej@nas.nasa.gov, davidg@root.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Swapped ethertype in BPF output? References: <199606110335.UAA28829@toccata.fugue.com> From: mycroft@mit.edu (Charles M. Hannum) Date: 11 Jun 1996 09:51:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: Ted Lemon's message of Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:35:30 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: September Gnus v0.83/Emacs 19.30 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ted Lemon writes: > > This may explain why I've never been able to get CAP working on > NetBSD/i386 or NetBSD/pmax (both little-endian), but it works just > fine on SunOS (big-endian). It worked more or less `out of the box' for me. It was hard to avoid people projectile vomiting at me when I mentioned I had installed it, though. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 07:22:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA02413 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02401 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id JAA19975 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:21:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:21:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199606111421.JAA19975@plains.nodak.edu> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: T-shirts for donations ;)...Maybe????? Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In a "free" organization money matters become a dangerous (but increasingly necessary) force. We went through all of this muck when a group of individuals were interested in starting a support for hire buisness. Complaints were simular to what we see now, would the patches/new support be bundled back, and when. Hopefully, they were not boo-ed out the idea, consultants for buisnesses are needed. Remember, with the FreeBSD copyright, a person can resell FreeBSD as long as proper permission is given. We knew that when we gave the code/time to FreeBSD. I think there are places that an inovative person(s) can make a living from FreeBSD that would be mutually benifical to all parties and the rest of us should be incouraging them. I am sure there are many developers out in FreeBSD-land that need to use their personal money to buy equipment to write device drivers and some of us do not have a lot money to buy new equipment and therefore some devices are not supported. It would be nice to have a "grant" fund that can buy equipment to advance FreeBSD driver support. I think there are many overly worked FreeBSD people that deserve money for there time. But firstly, paying them will hurt the moral of the volunteer group, it seems to me there is a perception that "others are getting rich off my free labor into FreeBSD"; this is UNTRUE, I think the hardest worker are losing money on their FreeBSD work. Secondly, I do not think we can finacially sustain paying developers using *volunteer money* for the long term. Remember the UCB [history] (said in the "remember the alamo" yell). At the end, they spent many hours trying to raise money. I wish a FreeBSD.org self-support consultant service would work, but it is percieved as a bad thing that it probably will eventually be created by a seperate business. I better stop now before I start a bitch session on PBS-style of needing to give a gift to get a donation. --mark. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 07:39:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA03975 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03969 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zap.io.org (taob@zap.io.org [198.133.36.81]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03192; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:38:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: Jake Hamby cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Jake Hamby wrote: > > Right now I'm using pine (no jokes, please, it's a good mail program!) I've given up Elm for Pine long, long ago after its development ground to a halt. Pine 3.92 is rather nice, and 3.93 purportedly fixes several minor bugs I've come across (minor enough that I haven't seen the need to upgrade yet). Procmail splits up incoming mail into individual files in ~/mail, and Pine is configured to list those files with longer descriptive names. Nice combination. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 07:41:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA04231 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04221; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zap.io.org (taob@zap.io.org [198.133.36.81]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03196; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:40:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: reichert@internet.com cc: jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! In-Reply-To: <199606101718.NAA27079@oneida.internet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Brian Reichert wrote: > > For what it's worth, I'm running 2.1R and procmail v3.10. Throw procmail 3.10 away!!! I had odd problems with 3.10 on both BSD/OS and FreeBSD. Upgrade to the latest procmail 3.11 prerelease (3.11pre3, I think it is). It fixes *many* problems on BSD systems and it has worked flawlessly here, including properly locking NFS- mounted mailboxes. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 07:44:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA04630 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04619 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zap.io.org (taob@zap.io.org [198.133.36.81]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03222; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:44:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Any remaining installation wish-list items out there? In-Reply-To: <19511.834410633@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > In case it wasn't already evident by the recent spate of hacking in > /usr/src/release/sysinstall, I'm sort of planning on sweeping up the > last of the outstanding problems/issues with this utility and retiring > it in peace. Was the problem with /etc/sysconfig ever resolved? I think the local-vs-UTC determination is also still a little wonky (especially the "Does this make sense" confirmation dialog, which never printed the correct time for me). Unfortunately, I think I'm blind to most of the buglets, subconsciously working my way around them. :-/ ;-) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 08:03:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA05790 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05780 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA25573; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:03:04 -0700 (PDT) To: Brian Tao Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any remaining installation wish-list items out there? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:44:40 EDT." Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:03:03 -0700 Message-ID: <25571.834505383@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Was the problem with /etc/sysconfig ever resolved? I think the Yes, it was. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 08:04:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA05867 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.aros.net (mailhub.aros.net [205.164.111.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05860; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from terra.aros.net (terra.aros.net [205.164.111.10]) by mailhub.aros.net (8.7.5/Unknown) with ESMTP id JAA25749; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:42:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from angio@localhost) by terra.aros.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) id JAA08203; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:04:35 -0600 From: Dave Andersen Message-Id: <199606111504.JAA08203@terra.aros.net> Subject: Re: Don't hit.. To: jkh@freefall.freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:04:35 -0600 (MDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606110858.BAA15193@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 11, 96 01:58:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk 1) Your web page tip 2) "The FreeBSD handbook contains a wealth of information" 3) "There is a list of Frequently Asked Questions online at http:/..." 4) "You can search the mailing list archives for problems and solutions at ..." 5) "FreeBSD t-shirt, complete with daemon. http:..." 6) "FreeBSD is supported by an extensive set of mailing lists. http://..." 7) "If you'd like to contribute to the FreeBSD project, see...." But perhaps best: 7) Do *not* delete the math device from your kernel and ask about it on -questions. Well, it was a thought. :-) -Dave Andersen Lo and behold, Jordan K. Hubbard once said: > > Here's a really warped and twisted idea I just got.. You know how > most commercial software installers take advantage of the "dead time" > during system installation to give the user lots of handy tips on > the kinds of things they might encounter or how to send off a warranty > registration card, etc and so forth? Well. Erm.. It wouldn't > be all that hard to make the sysinstall do that in novice mode, > either. Given an array of tip strings like "Be sure and see our > web pages at http://www.freebsd.org!", I could whap them up along > with the "progress bar" dialog during the installation. Lot of > dead time spent looking at that stupid status bar. > > What do you think? Puke, wretch, gag me with a microsoft splash product > screen or sort of a good idea? If you have opinions verging more > towards the "good idea" side, send me your tip strings and I'll collect > them.. If you think this idea is hateful and you'd personally refuse to use > sysinstall ever again if it were incorporated (though what are you > doing in "novice" mode, dude? :) then let me know that, too. > > Thanks! > > Jordan > -- angio@aros.net Complete virtual hosting and business-oriented system administration Internet services. (WWW, FTP, email) http://www.aros.net/ http://www.aros.net/about/virtual "There are only two industries that refer to thier customers as 'users'." From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 08:06:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA06010 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06004; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zap.io.org (taob@zap.io.org [198.133.36.81]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA03386; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:06:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Don't hit.. In-Reply-To: <199606110858.BAA15193@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Here's a really warped and twisted idea I just got.. Next you'll want a graphical login screen while FreeBSD boots!!! :) > You know how most commercial software installers take advantage of the > "dead time" during system installation to give the user lots of handy > tips on the kinds of things they might encounter or how to send off a > warranty registration card, etc and so forth? A clean install of bin+compat21+des+doc+manpages takes about 2 minutes over 10Mbps Ethernet to a local FTP mirror. Less than 6 minutes from "insert boot floppy" to "see login: prompt after rebooting from sysinstall". We're just too damn fast. :) The banners would only be readable if installing off a slow CD-ROM, off floppy or over a PPP connection. How about putting another option in to display banners (defaulting to on)? -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 08:12:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA06375 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from novell.com (sjf-ums.sjf.novell.com [130.57.10.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA06370 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from INET-SJF-Message_Server by fromGW with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:09:23 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:18:31 -0700 From: DARREND@novell.com (Darren Davis) To: pcobb@cybernet.com, khetan@iafrica.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! - Reply Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> Khetan Gajjar 6/10 4:17pm >>> I agree. What's the GroupWise client like ? Regards, Khetan Gajjar. --- Visit me at http://www.iafrica.com/~khetan/ UUNet-Internet Africa Operations help@iafrica.com or 0800-030-002 >>> Groupwise is similar in functionality to a straight jacket. {:-) Darren From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 08:40:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA08181 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08139 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emu.fsl.noaa.gov (kelly@emu.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.32]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10507; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:39:52 GMT Message-Id: <199606111539.PAA10507@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA273317591; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:39:51 -0600 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:39:51 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Don't hit.. Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Here's a really warped and twisted idea I just got.. You know how > most commercial software installers take advantage of the "dead time" > during system installation to give the user lots of handy tips on > the kinds of things they might encounter or how to send off a warranty > registration card, etc and so forth? Well. Erm.. Deja vu! I did the exact same thing for our advanced hydrometeorological display system. It takes a long time to initialize, so I whipped up some Tcl/Tk code to show the NOAA and FSL logos, a progress indicator, and randomly chosen handy tips. It was a way to let forecasters know about features they might not've realized existed. EVERYONE HATED IT! :-( The main reason was that after the third crash and restart, the last thing a forecaster wanted was a perky, helpful, and annoying set of tips scrolling by---especially when he's trying to get a tornado warning out to the public. Of course, FreeBSD's situation is different, and a set of tips might actually help out in some cases. But consider all the possible mindsets a user might be in during an install ... ``Damn, I misconfigured the port address! Damn, I didn't leave enough space for /usr/games! Damn, it panicked! Damn, these tips are annoying!'' -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 09:04:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA09572 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from novell.com (prv-ums.Provo.Novell.COM [137.65.40.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09560 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from INET-PRV-Message_Server by novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:05:33 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:11:18 -0600 From: Darren Davis To: dkelly@hiwaay.net, bmc@telebase.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Quicken (was Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh!) - Reply Encoding: 18 Text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> Brian Clapper 6/11 7:26am >>> Curtis Olson's Check Book Balancer (CBB). The latest version of CBB is available at: ftp.me.umn.edu:/pub/finance/cbb-[version].tar.gz It requires perl 4.036 or later (perl5 is preferred) and tk4.0 or later. It'll read Quicken input files, apparently. ---- Brian Clapper .............................................. bmc@telebase.com http://www.netaxs.com/~bmc/ ............. PGP public key available on request How can you work when the system's so crowded? >>> Excellent, has anybody made a port of it? Darren From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 09:10:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA09825 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from novell.com (prv-ums.Provo.Novell.COM [137.65.40.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09818 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from INET-PRV-Message_Server by novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:11:19 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:16:56 -0600 From: Darren Davis To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: T-shirts for donations ;)...Maybe????? - Reply Encoding: 12 Text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> Mark Tinguely 6/11 8:21am >>> I better stop now before I start a bitch session on PBS-style of needing to give a gift to get a donation. --mark. >>> Too late, I will bitch a little. If FreeBSD did the PBS style of fund raising I would have to start calling it GuiltWare! {:-) Darren From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 09:17:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA10296 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10291 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee ([193.40.6.121]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id JAA13830 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA19112; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 19:06:35 +0300 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 19:06:34 +0300 (EET DST) From: Narvi To: Sean Kelly cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Don't hit.. In-Reply-To: <199606111539.PAA10507@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Sean Kelly wrote: > > Here's a really warped and twisted idea I just got.. You know how > > most commercial software installers take advantage of the "dead time" > > during system installation to give the user lots of handy tips on > > the kinds of things they might encounter or how to send off a warranty > > registration card, etc and so forth? Well. Erm.. > > Deja vu! > > I did the exact same thing for our advanced hydrometeorological > display system. It takes a long time to initialize, so I whipped up > some Tcl/Tk code to show the NOAA and FSL logos, a progress indicator, > and randomly chosen handy tips. It was a way to let forecasters know > about features they might not've realized existed. > > EVERYONE HATED IT! :-( > > The main reason was that after the third crash and restart, the last > thing a forecaster wanted was a perky, helpful, and annoying set of > tips scrolling by---especially when he's trying to get a tornado > warning out to the public. > > Of course, FreeBSD's situation is different, and a set of tips might > actually help out in some cases. But consider all the possible > mindsets a user might be in during an install ... ``Damn, I > misconfigured the port address! Damn, I didn't leave enough space for > /usr/games! Damn, it panicked! Damn, these tips are annoying!'' Another oppourturnity for FreeBSD to do something right - add an option to a visible-enough place saying "disable tips". Anyways, people who have done it several times are likely to switch over to custom install just to try out if they will manage better with it. Sander > > -- > Sean Kelly > NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov > Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 10:04:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA12194 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12142; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id KAA14983; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id SAA21365; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:51:29 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199606111651.SAA21365@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Don't hit.. To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:51:29 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: jkh@freefall.freebsd.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Jun 11, 96 11:05:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > A clean install of bin+compat21+des+doc+manpages takes about 2 > minutes over 10Mbps Ethernet to a local FTP mirror. Less than 6 > minutes from "insert boot floppy" to "see login: prompt after > rebooting from sysinstall". We're just too damn fast. :) > > The banners would only be readable if installing off a slow > CD-ROM, off floppy or over a PPP connection. How about putting The install method is somehow an indication of the the type of user, and can be used as an hint to select which messages to show. I wouldn't be worried if the install is fast and you get fewer messages. Also, many people also install X+ kernel sources, and those take some time to load. Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 10:25:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA13582 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from covina.lightside.com (covina.lightside.com [198.81.209.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA13568 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by covina.lightside.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uTXBR-0004K6C; Tue, 11 Jun 96 10:24 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:24:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Jake Hamby To: Dave Andersen cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Don't hit.. In-Reply-To: <199606111504.JAA08203@terra.aros.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > 7) Do *not* delete the math device from your kernel and ask about > it on -questions. > > Well, it was a thought. :-) > > -Dave Andersen Argh! And to think that was probably my fault for saying it wasn't needed if you didn't have a hardware FPU in Chapter 5 of the FreeBSD Handbook (which thankfully has been corrected for many months on the Web page and in -current, but still lurks on the 2.1.0-RELEASE CD).. :-( ---Jake From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 10:29:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA13836 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:29:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA13831 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.demon.net (office.demon.net [193.195.224.1]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id KAA25080 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:29:44 -0700 Received: from aj149.du.pipex.com by office.demon.net id aa26789; 11 Jun 96 18:18 +0100 Received: (from fhackers@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.12) id RAA06440; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:06:44 GMT Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:06:44 GMT Message-Id: <199606111706.RAA06440@jraynard.demon.co.uk> From: James Raynard To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Header files Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just a couple of things I've noticed recently, mainly concerning header files:- 1. The return type of sethostid(): it's a long according to lib/libc/compat-43/sethostid.c, according to the man page it's an int and unistd.h says it's void! Which (if any!) of these is correct? 2. The stdio library requires fpos_t to be an 8-byte type. In stdio.h, it's typedef'd as an off_t if neither _ANSI_SOURCE or __STRICT_ANSI__ are defined, with a comment saying "When we switch to gcc 2.4 we will use __attribute__ here." Do we have any plans to switch to gcc 2.4? 8-) 3. has a comment saying that 2147483648 is an unsigned int for 32-bit two's complement ANSI compilers. However, it's an unsigned long for 32-bit ANSI compilers, regardless of the binary encoding used. -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland james@jraynard.demon.co.uk jraynard@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 11:18:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA16862 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA16847 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA03593; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:18:21 +0200 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA03011 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:18:02 +0200 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA11581 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Tue, 11 Jun 1996 19:45:33 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.12/8.6.6) id XAA02547; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 23:03:59 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199606102103.XAA02547@yedi.iaf.nl> X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands Subject: Re: firewall (ipfw) To: didier@omnix.fr.org Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 23:03:58 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "didier@omnix.fr.org" at Jun 10, 96 02:27:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As didier@omnix.fr.org wrote... > > The company I'm working for plan to install a permanent acces to internet > through an analogic leased line and two 32kb modems. > > to protect our application in plan to install the firewall builtin FreeBSD > > I've never used ipfw and I dont have any experience with firewalls. I think you then better get yourself a copy of O'Reilly's 'Building Internet Firewalls' before you attempt to grow one yourself. I found this book most instructive Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 11:36:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA17726 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17720; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA04094; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:35:01 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606111835.LAA04094@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: T-shirts for donations ;)...Maybe????? To: mikee@green.eggtech.com (Mike Eggleston) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:35:00 -0700 (MST) Cc: john@ulantris.infinop.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199606111239.HAA04146@green.eggtech.com> from "Mike Eggleston" at Jun 11, 96 07:39:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> > Also, there was mention of non-profit status. I think it would > >> be time and > money well spent to make it so that contributions > >> were tax deductible. This > >> > >> Just to clarify this once more: If there were enough money coming > >> in to offset the headache of the additional bookkeeping, I'd do it > >> (and > > > I think $25.00 donation (for a BSD daemon t-shirt/FreeBSD related > > attire) may go over well. Any comments?... > > I'd donate for a t-shirt or mug, etc. Just like Public Access TV > stations. Mugs! I forgot "contributor-only" mugs! BTW: the use of the "premium" is intentional. It means that for a tax-deductible corp (which FreeBSD Inc. isn't) that the entire donation remains deductible. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 11:43:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18009 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18001 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA04109; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:42:24 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606111842.LAA04109@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Adduser program in C To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:42:24 -0700 (MST) Cc: pvh@leftside.its.uct.ac.za, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <22841.834470165@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 10, 96 10:16:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hm. What is on the wish list? As a fairly hardened perl hacker, I might > > find some time to Help Save the World here. > > Anyone around here still have that adduser "spec" I devised about 3 - > 4 months ago? I can't find it in my mailing list archives. I was unable to find it in my "ADMIN" save area, sorry... I must have seriously disagreed with it. 8-) 8-). Have you looked in the list archives? Maybe this is a chance to improve archive searching? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 11:50:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18332 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DeepCore.dk (aalb25.pip.dknet.dk [194.192.0.185]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18327; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sos@localhost) by DeepCore.dk (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA26752; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:39:03 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199606111839.UAA26752@DeepCore.dk> Subject: Re: Don't hit.. To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:39:02 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: jkh@freefall.freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Brian Tao at "Jun 11, 96 11:06:18 am" From: sos@freebsd.org Reply-to: sos@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Brian Tao who wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > Here's a really warped and twisted idea I just got.. > > Next you'll want a graphical login screen while FreeBSD boots!!! :) That could be easily arranged ! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 11:51:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18376 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18370 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA04138; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:50:38 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606111850.LAA04138@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Don't hit.. To: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:50:38 -0700 (MST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606111539.PAA10507@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> from "Sean Kelly" at Jun 11, 96 09:39:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The main reason was that after the third crash and restart, the last > thing a forecaster wanted was a perky, helpful, and annoying set of > tips scrolling by---especially when he's trying to get a tornado > warning out to the public. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TIP-TEXT v1.05 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Did you know... There are only 9 minutes remaining to warn the unsuspecting schmucks in Wichita, but 4 minutes left until the system is up? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 12:47:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA20794 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 12:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apollo.intermind.com (apollo.intermind.com [206.40.151.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20787; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 12:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from malkav.intermind.com ([206.40.150.122]) by apollo.intermind.com (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-11400) with SMTP id AAA99; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 12:52:37 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960611194702.00b74b50@intermind.com> X-Sender: jnoetzel@intermind.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 12:47:02 -0700 To: Terry Lambert , mrcpu@cdsnet.net (Jaye Mathisen) From: jnoetzel@intermind.com (Jeremy Noetzelman) Subject: Re: Netscape Commerce Servers Cc: terry@lambert.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 04:59 PM 6/10/96 -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: >I read this on 3 seperate news groups and in one press release about >(nominally from?) Netscape. > >I had assumed that it was at the request of BSDI to change their >method of distribution so that you couldn't buy the BSDI version >except through BSDI (I thought maybe BSDI had an OEM agreement >inked or something). > >If this isn't true, then Netscape and BSDI need to widen the scope >of their damage control in their press releases to that effect; a >joint press release announcing the next BSDI version with an assurance >of continued support wouldn't be a bad idea. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org Interestingly enough, I recieved mail from the local sales manager, who told me that there would be no initial BSDI release, as it was unclear whether Netscape or BSDI would be doing the port. Damn politics. ;) Jeremy --- Jeremy Noetzelman jnoetzel@intermind.com Operations Specialist Intermind Corporation From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 12:56:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA21343 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 12:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Sisyphos (Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21327 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 12:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by Sisyphos id AA13636 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Tue, 11 Jun 1996 21:55:12 +0200 Message-Id: <199606111955.AA13636@Sisyphos> From: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 21:55:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: "matthew c. mead" "Re: ST43400N" (Jun 11, 9:42) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(2) 7/9/95) To: "matthew c. mead" Subject: Re: ST43400N Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 11, 9:42, "matthew c. mead" wrote: } Subject: Re: ST43400N } M.R.Murphy writes: } } > > The drive hangs before a "fdisk sd1" completes, so I haven't } > > even gotten as far as writing a disktab for it, since I can't } > > get the probed geometry values for it. } } > When it probed 2777M, what else did it say? } } sd1(ncr0:2:0): Direct-Access } sd1(ncr0:2:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. } 2777MB (5688447 512 byte sectors) } } > What kind of SCSI interface do you have? What low-level } > formatters do you have available? } } It's an NCR810 controller. I don't believe it has any } low-level formatting capability, and I don't think it came with } much software, but I can see if it will let me lowlevel format } it. Do you think that the problem is the low-level formatting of } the device? Here's some info the sheet on the ST43400N has: } } ---- } ** Already low-level formatted at the factory with six spare sectors } per cylinder, one spare cylinders/unit, one system cylinder/unit, and } one diagnostic cylinder/unit. } ---- The NCR can be used to low level format any SCSI drive with the "scsiformat" command, though I doubt it will make much of a difference. If you are running a -current kernel, then please try one built with "options FAILSAFE". This will disable use of tagged command queues, which are the most likely cause of the problem you report. If the drive works with tags disabled, then I'll send further directions to find out whether it is possible to work around that problem. (You may comment out the call to scsi_start_unit() in /sys/scsi/sd.c for a test.) Regards, STefan -- Stefan Esser, Zentrum fuer Paralleles Rechnen Tel: +49 221 4706021 Universitaet zu Koeln, Weyertal 80, 50931 Koeln FAX: +49 221 4705160 ============================================================================== http://www.zpr.uni-koeln.de/~se From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 12:58:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA21442 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 12:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21434 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 12:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA25258 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:02:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: port-supfile getting distfiles? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I installed the 960606 snap. When I run sup, on ports-supfile, I get ports/distfiles *even* though ports-distfiles is commented out, and only port-all is uncommented. ports-all is documented as not containing distfiles. So either supscan is doing something weird, or the docs are wrong. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 13:01:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA21693 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inet-gw-0.ey.ca (inet-gw-0.EY.CA [132.220.23.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA21687 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sobeco.sobeco.com (server-001.EY.CA [132.220.12.5]) by inet-gw-0.ey.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA11621 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:01:03 -0400 Received: by sobeco.sobeco.com(5.65+/IDA-1.3.5) id AA03313; Tue, 11 Jun 96 16:00:31 -0400 From: "s.millions" Message-Id: <9606112000.AA03313@sobeco.sobeco.com> Subject: MAX Filesystem size To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 16:00:30 EDT Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stacy's dumb question of the day.... what is the max. size for a ufs filesystem on 2.1.0-R? Or, another way, how many 4GB drives can I string together with ccd and make a single filesystem? :-) I looked in TFM, but I couldn't find the answer. -stacy From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 13:01:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA21752 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21742 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA07036; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:01:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199606112001.QAA07036@Glock.COM> Subject: Re: ST43400N To: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606111955.AA13636@Sisyphos> from "Stefan Esser" at Jun 11, 96 09:55:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stefan Esser writes: > On Jun 11, 9:42, "matthew c. mead" wrote: > } Subject: Re: ST43400N > } M.R.Murphy writes: > } > > The drive hangs before a "fdisk sd1" completes, so I haven't > } > > even gotten as far as writing a disktab for it, since I can't > } > > get the probed geometry values for it. > } > When it probed 2777M, what else did it say? > } sd1(ncr0:2:0): Direct-Access > } sd1(ncr0:2:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. > } 2777MB (5688447 512 byte sectors) > } > What kind of SCSI interface do you have? What low-level > } > formatters do you have available? > } It's an NCR810 controller. I don't believe it has any > } low-level formatting capability, and I don't think it came with > } much software, but I can see if it will let me lowlevel format > } it. Do you think that the problem is the low-level formatting of > } the device? Here's some info the sheet on the ST43400N has: > } ** Already low-level formatted at the factory with six spare sectors > } per cylinder, one spare cylinders/unit, one system cylinder/unit, and > } one diagnostic cylinder/unit. > The NCR can be used to low level format any SCSI drive > with the "scsiformat" command, though I doubt it will > make much of a difference. Hmm. That's the last hope I was clinging to. > If you are running a -current kernel, then please try > one built with "options FAILSAFE". This will disable > use of tagged command queues, which are the most likely > cause of the problem you report. > If the drive works with tags disabled, then I'll send > further directions to find out whether it is possible > to work around that problem. (You may comment out the > call to scsi_start_unit() in /sys/scsi/sd.c for a test.) Do the above two paragraphs apply to a 2.1.0-RELEASE kernel as well? This drive is on a 2.1.0-R system. -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@goof.com http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 13:03:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA21881 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA21872; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:03:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA04345; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:02:53 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606112002.NAA04345@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Don't hit.. To: jehamby@lightside.com (Jake Hamby) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:02:52 -0700 (MST) Cc: angio@aros.net, jkh@freefall.freebsd.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Jake Hamby" at Jun 11, 96 10:24:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > 7) Do *not* delete the math device from your kernel and ask about > > it on -questions. > > > > Well, it was a thought. :-) > > > > -Dave Andersen > > Argh! And to think that was probably my fault for saying it wasn't needed > if you didn't have a hardware FPU in Chapter 5 of the FreeBSD Handbook > (which thankfully has been corrected for many months on the Web page and > in -current, but still lurks on the 2.1.0-RELEASE CD).. :-( Actually, it's the fault of having an option for a non-optional kernel component. The whole idea is inherently bogus. The fix needs to go into the config code and the default config files --- i386/isa/ncr5380.c optional nca device-driver ! i386/isa/npx.c optional npx device-driver i386/isa/pcaudio.c optional pca device-driver --- i386/isa/ncr5380.c optional nca device-driver ! i386/isa/npx.c standard npx device-driver i386/isa/pcaudio.c optional pca device-driver --- Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 13:20:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA23414 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA23379 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA04421; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:19:08 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606112019.NAA04421@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: MAX Filesystem size To: stacy@server-001.ey.ca (s.millions) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:19:07 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9606112000.AA03313@sobeco.sobeco.com> from "s.millions" at Jun 11, 96 04:00:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Stacy's dumb question of the day.... what is the max. size for a ufs > filesystem on 2.1.0-R? Or, another way, how many 4GB drives can I > string together with ccd and make a single filesystem? :-) > > I looked in TFM, but I couldn't find the answer. 2TB or 512 4G drives. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 13:43:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA25668 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25657 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from campa.panke.de (anonymous224.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.224]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA24626; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 22:25:23 +0200 Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA00964; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 22:15:29 +0200 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 22:15:29 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider Message-Id: <199606112015.WAA00964@campa.panke.de> To: Terry Lambert Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard), pvh@leftside.its.uct.ac.za, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adduser program in C In-Reply-To: <199606111842.LAA04109@phaeton.artisoft.com> References: <22841.834470165@time.cdrom.com> <199606111842.LAA04109@phaeton.artisoft.com> Reply-to: Wolfram Schneider MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert writes: >> Anyone around here still have that adduser "spec" I devised about 3 - >> 4 months ago? I can't find it in my mailing list archives. >Have you looked in the list archives? >Maybe this is a chance to improve archive searching? Searching works well. Choose group -current and -hackers, search for 'jordan AND adduser' and look for a long mail ;-) Search Results: document 
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> 	Ok. Where can I find the list of requirements? I.e. --
> 	what functionality _must_ be present? what shall be?

std options for all invocations:
[-uid uid] [-gid gid] [-user user] [-group group] [-home homedir] [-name name]
[-shell shell] [-realhome realhome] [-after uid] 

-uid	specify the uid to use, otherwise it will be chosen automatically
	(see also -after).

-gid	specify the gid to use, otherwise it's set automatically to track
	the uid.

-user	Specify the username to use [no default]

-group	Check that gid also exists under name group - if not, it should
	be added under this name (e.g. group:*:gid:user).  Default is not
	to mess with /etc/group.

-home	Specify the location of the home directory.  By default it will
	go to /home/${user} if not overriden in /etc/adduser.cf

-name	Specify full name (+ any other GCOS info).

-shell	Specify a different shell (than the default) to use.

-realhome  If different from home, make home dir here instead and
	make a symlink from home to here.

-after	If chosing uid automatically, start search after this uid.
	Search will stop at the next free "hole".


Commands:

adduser -add [..stdopts] [-skel skeldir]

adduser -delete [key]

adduser -exists [key]

adduser -modify [key] [..stdopts]

Examples:

adduser -add -uid 2035 -gid 2035 -user jkh -realhome /a/jkh \
	-home /home/jkh \
	-name "Jordan K. Hubbard" \
	-shell /usr/local/bin/bash

	Adds me with very specific settings.

adduser -add -user fred -name "Fred K. Schmertz"

	Adds a user fred with the next available uid/gid and
	using the default shell/home dir/etc values.

adduser -delete -user joe
adduser -delete -uid 710

	Would delete users matching these criteria (any of the
	stdargs should be usable as keys).

adduser -exists -uid 507
adduser -exists -group ftp

	Returns 1 if key matches.  In the case of -group, /etc/group
	is actually checked.  For use in scripts.

adduser -modify -uid 701 -name "Irving Q. Steenbottle"

	Finds uid 701 and changes the name field accordingly, leaving
	other fields unaltered.

> 	What the program _must not_ do? What kind of UI is

Crash?  Ruin the password file?  :-)

> 	required or recommended? Will it become (potentially) a part

I think the UI issue should be left alone to implement one level
further up, if desired.  The first UI interface should probably be
libdialog based, just for consistency.

Oh yeah, it should also read an /etc/adduser.cf for default
configuration information (which I think it should *not* prompt the
user about - just choose reasonable defaults!  The "adduser
configuration" phase on the first startup of our current adduser
really confuses a lot of people! :-(

					Jordan
From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 13:50:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA26338 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26324 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id PAA16634; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:47:17 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199606112047.PAA16634@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: MAX Filesystem size To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:47:16 -0500 (CDT) Cc: stacy@server-001.ey.ca, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606112019.NAA04421@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Jun 11, 96 01:19:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > 2TB or 512 4G drives. Bzzt but thank you for playing!! ;-) I can't believe I get to correct Terry of all people... ;-) There is currently a limit of 32 possible SCSI disks, due to the sd() device number macros. (yes I realize this is slated to "go away", but the fact is, it's a limit in today's released versions) This suggests that you could create a 128GB array out of conventional 4GB disks, or a 736GB array out of the new Elite 23GB drives.. Or you could get yourself a RAID that appears as a single SCSI target and do whatever the heck you want. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 13:54:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA26781 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (root@buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA26743; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet1.buffnet.net (mmdf@buffnet1.buffnet.net [205.246.19.10]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA17783; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:54:25 GMT Received: from buffnet3.buffnet.net by buffnet1.buffnet.net id aa18073; 11 Jun 96 16:55 EDT Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:55:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Superuser To: Terry Lambert cc: Mike Eggleston , john@ulantris.infinop.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: T-shirts for donations ;)...Maybe????? In-Reply-To: <199606111835.LAA04094@phaeton.artisoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Terry Lambert wrote: > > >> > Also, there was mention of non-profit status. I think it would > > >> be time and > money well spent to make it so that contributions > > >> were tax deductible. This > > Mugs! I forgot "contributor-only" mugs! > > BTW: the use of the "premium" is intentional. It means that for a > tax-deductible corp (which FreeBSD Inc. isn't) that the entire > donation remains deductible. > This will probably sound incredibly naive - but is there a central place people should donate to? I was under the impression most of the boat was floated by the cd-rom people. If there is a place where someone of conscience ought to send in a buck or 3, I would be thankful for that information. Ive found freeBSD to be very helpful and woul like to assist the cause! From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 13:55:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA26930 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26878 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from campa.panke.de (anonymous224.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.224]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA25535; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 22:48:32 +0200 Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA01044; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 22:48:22 +0200 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 22:48:22 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider Message-Id: <199606112048.WAA01044@campa.panke.de> To: "s.millions" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: MAX Filesystem size In-Reply-To: <9606112000.AA03313@sobeco.sobeco.com> References: <9606112000.AA03313@sobeco.sobeco.com> Reply-to: Wolfram Schneider MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk s. millions writes: >Stacy's dumb question of the day.... what is the max. size for a ufs >filesystem on 2.1.0-R? Or, another way, how many 4GB drives can I >string together with ccd and make a single filesystem? :-) theoretically 8TB, practically 1TB. See mmap(2) in -current. Wolfram From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 14:00:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA27266 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27239; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA19237; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:56:08 -0400 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199606112056.QAA19237@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: style and diction To: kline@tera.com (Gary Kline) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606112034.NAA21213@athena.tera.com> from "Gary Kline" at Jun 11, 96 01:34:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > According to Garrett Wollman: > > < > > > > Whatever became of style, diction, and other programs from the "writer's workbench?" > > > > So far as I know, these programs have never been part of the BSD > > system. I associate them exclusively with System V and its > > predecessors (and thus the ATTIS/USG/USL/Novell/SCO side of the > > family). > > > > The diction suite was part of 4.4BSD-alpha. But it got > snagged out during the litigation that gave us Lite2. > > I bought some DOS shareware years ago that was a clone > of part of the functionality of diction, style, etc., so > it can't be that hard to clone. Just requires someone > with an exceptional grasp of English. Plus the savvy > to do the hack... . > > diction was written by profs at Brown or Cornell or one > of those 15 or more years ago. It might not hurt to > ask people in the English Department <> if > they'd like to help create a clone or a superset. > > gary kline Ah, what I'd like to see is "learn" reimplemented. Anyone ever see that on the net anywhere? Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | 17 Meredith Drive, Tinton Falls, NJ 07724, 908-389-3592 | pechter@shell.monmouth.com I'll run Win95 on my box when you pry the keyboard from my cold, dead hands. FreeBSD, OS/2, CP/M, RT11, spoken here. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 14:07:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA27725 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27705 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA13818; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:05:41 -0600 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:05:41 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199606112105.PAA13818@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Terry Lambert Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Don't hit.. In-Reply-To: <199606112002.NAA04345@phaeton.artisoft.com> References: <199606112002.NAA04345@phaeton.artisoft.com> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The fix needs to go into the config code and the default config files > > > --- > i386/isa/ncr5380.c optional nca device-driver > ! i386/isa/npx.c optional npx device-driver > i386/isa/pcaudio.c optional pca device-driver > --- > i386/isa/ncr5380.c optional nca device-driver > ! i386/isa/npx.c standard npx device-driver > i386/isa/pcaudio.c optional pca device-driver > --- This 'fix' doesn't work. If it were that easy it would have been done long ago. Please test changes before submitting them. :) Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 14:25:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA28572 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28554 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hasty@localhost) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA03492 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:21:25 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:21:25 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Message-Id: <199606112121.OAA03492@rah.star-gate.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: What is the status of threads for FreeBSD... Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 15:21:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA02429 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA02419 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA16381 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 00:21:01 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA03882 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 00:20:58 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA10708 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 00:16:55 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199606112216.AAA10708@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: ST43400N To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 00:16:53 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199606112001.QAA07036@Glock.COM> from "matthew c. mead" at "Jun 11, 96 04:01:19 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As matthew c. mead wrote: > Do the above two paragraphs apply to a 2.1.0-RELEASE > kernel as well? This drive is on a 2.1.0-R system. They don't, but you can at least try to run the drive at only 5 MB/s (or perhaps even async for testing), by using ncrcontrol. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 15:26:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA02767 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02755 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA00264; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:26:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199606112226.SAA00264@Glock.COM> Subject: Re: ST43400N To: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606112010.AA13884@Sisyphos> from "Stefan Esser" at Jun 11, 96 10:10:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stefan Esser writes: > On Jun 11, 16:01, "matthew c. mead" wrote: > } Subject: Re: ST43400N > } > If you are running a -current kernel, then please try > } > one built with "options FAILSAFE". This will disable > } > use of tagged command queues, which are the most likely > } > cause of the problem you report. > } > If the drive works with tags disabled, then I'll send > } > further directions to find out whether it is possible > } > to work around that problem. (You may comment out the > } > call to scsi_start_unit() in /sys/scsi/sd.c for a test.) > } Do the above two paragraphs apply to a 2.1.0-RELEASE > } kernel as well? This drive is on a 2.1.0-R system. > Look at /sys/pci/ncr.c (line 6242 in -stable): > ncr_setmaxtags (tp, SCSI_NCR_MAX_TAGS); > Change this into: > ncr_setmaxtags (tp, 0); > This is part of what FAILSAFE does in current kernels ... > The paragraph about scsi_start_unit() applies to 2.1.0R. Ahh, thanks for all of these tips. I didn't end up having to use any of them, thankfully. The drive started working just fine after I low level formatted it. Thanks to everyone that gave me suggestions and detailed their drive configurations! -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@goof.com http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 15:40:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA03852 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:40:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03843 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA04739; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:39:06 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606112239.PAA04739@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: MAX Filesystem size To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:39:06 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, stacy@server-001.ey.ca, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606112047.PAA16634@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from "Joe Greco" at Jun 11, 96 03:47:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > 2TB or 512 4G drives. > > Bzzt but thank you for playing!! ;-) I can't believe I get to correct > Terry of all people... ;-) > > There is currently a limit of 32 possible SCSI disks, due to the sd() > device number macros. > > (yes I realize this is slated to "go away", but the fact is, it's a limit > in today's released versions) Not if you put the drives in an external RAID array. Then they are one device. You can span multiples of these using CCD to get truly large devices. Satoshi was dooing a 1TB using 23G disks with a external subsystems; I don't know what the current status is (check the CCD home page for details). > This suggests that you could create a 128GB array out of conventional 4GB > disks, or a 736GB array out of the new Elite 23GB drives.. > > Or you could get yourself a RAID that appears as a single SCSI target and do > whatever the heck you want. Yes, that's the configuration that's meaningful. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 15:41:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA03917 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03912 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA04753; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:41:12 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606112241.PAA04753@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Don't hit.. To: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:41:12 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199606112105.PAA13818@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Jun 11, 96 03:05:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > The fix needs to go into the config code and the default config files > > > > > > --- > > i386/isa/ncr5380.c optional nca device-driver > > ! i386/isa/npx.c optional npx device-driver > > i386/isa/pcaudio.c optional pca device-driver > > --- > > i386/isa/ncr5380.c optional nca device-driver > > ! i386/isa/npx.c standard npx device-driver > > i386/isa/pcaudio.c optional pca device-driver > > --- > > This 'fix' doesn't work. If it were that easy it would have been done > long ago. Please test changes before submitting them. :) This wasn't a submission, it was a posting. I *did* do a submission about 4 months ago, but it was rejected on the basis that the NPX option was supposed to move to referring ONLY to the emulation seperate from intrinsic FPU support, so you could pull the emulator out without pulling out the emulator/FPU switch code (I believe Bruce was working on it). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 15:51:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA04462 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA04454 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA17073 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 00:50:49 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA04530 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 00:50:48 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA13990 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 00:22:04 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199606112222.AAA13990@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Re(2): Re(2): Re(2): The naming of branches To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 00:22:03 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from Richard Wackerbarth at "Jun 10, 96 06:25:33 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Richard Wackerbarth wrote: > > This might be true, but we have already once changed our paradigm > > (between 2.0 and 2.0.5 -- from RELEASE_X_Y to RELENG_X_Y_Z), and > > changing it too often is IMHO causing more confusion than clarity. > > > Did you read the rest of it? Of course. And my answer was: don't gratuitously change it yet again, for purely cosmetic reasons. (The tag names are already hard-wired into my fingers anyway. :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 16:23:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA06778 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06766; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA02650; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606112322.QAA02650@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Terry Lambert cc: jehamby@lightside.com (Jake Hamby), angio@aros.net, jkh@freefall.freebsd.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Don't hit.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:02:52 PDT." <199606112002.NAA04345@phaeton.artisoft.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:22:36 -0700 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> > 7) Do *not* delete the math device from your kernel and ask about >> > it on -questions. >> > >> > Well, it was a thought. :-) >> > >> > -Dave Andersen >> >> Argh! And to think that was probably my fault for saying it wasn't needed >> if you didn't have a hardware FPU in Chapter 5 of the FreeBSD Handbook >> (which thankfully has been corrected for many months on the Web page and >> in -current, but still lurks on the 2.1.0-RELEASE CD).. :-( > >Actually, it's the fault of having an option for a non-optional kernel >component. The whole idea is inherently bogus. > >The fix needs to go into the config code and the default config files > > >--- > i386/isa/ncr5380.c optional nca device-driver >! i386/isa/npx.c optional npx device-driver > i386/isa/pcaudio.c optional pca device-driver >--- > i386/isa/ncr5380.c optional nca device-driver >! i386/isa/npx.c standard npx device-driver > i386/isa/pcaudio.c optional pca device-driver >--- I haven't tried this, but it CAN'T work. The information provided in addition to the actual specification of "npx0" (port, irq, interrupt vector) is also non-optional, and there is no way to specify it in the files file. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 17:12:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA09652 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from melb.werple.net.au (melb.werple.net.au [203.9.190.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09647 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cimaxp1.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by melb.werple.net.au (8.7.5/8.7.3/2) with UUCP id JAA02196 for mira!freebsd.org!hackers; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:29:55 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199606112329.JAA02196@melb.werple.net.au> Received: by cimaxp1.cimlogic.com.au; (5.65/1.1.8.2/10Sep95-0953AM) id AA15415; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:30:10 +1000 From: John Birrell Subject: Re: What is the status of threads for FreeBSD... To: rah.star-gate.com!hasty@melb.werple.net.au (Amancio Hasty Jr.) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:30:09 +1000 (EST) Cc: freebsd.org!hackers@melb.werple.net.au In-Reply-To: <199606112121.OAA03492@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr." at Jun 11, 96 02:21:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As of last week, libc_r builds and installs OK (for me) from -current. I know of two problems, one with select() and one with _exit(). I have local patches for these, and I'm working on a set of patches for -current that won't get me yelled at (!). And then there's an update required to match POSIX 1003.1c draft 11 (the current stuff is mostly draft 4 to match OSF/1^H^H^H^H^Hanother system we use). We sucessfully use the libc_r from -current with an otherwise 2.1R installation including the non-threaded X libraries. Window refreshes are a lot faster, even on a dog-of-a-machine. Regards, -- John Birrell CIMlogic Pty Ltd jb@cimlogic.com.au 119 Cecil Street Ph +61 3 9690 6900 South Melbourne Vic 3205 Fax +61 3 9690 6650 Australia Mob +61 18 353 137 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 17:32:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA10314 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10309; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA27786; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:28:55 -0700 (PDT) To: Superuser cc: Terry Lambert , Mike Eggleston , john@ulantris.infinop.com, questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: T-shirts for donations ;)...Maybe????? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:55:43 EDT." Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:28:55 -0700 Message-ID: <27784.834539335@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > This will probably sound incredibly naive - but is there a central place > people should donate to? I was under the impression most of the boat was > floated by the cd-rom people. See http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/submitters.html Thanks! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 17:47:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA11182 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA11173 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:47:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA21730; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:41:59 +1000 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:41:59 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199606120041.KAA21730@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: fhackers@jraynard.demon.co.uk, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Header files Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >2. The stdio library requires fpos_t to be an 8-byte type. In stdio.h, > it's typedef'd as an off_t if neither _ANSI_SOURCE or > __STRICT_ANSI__ are defined, with a comment saying "When we switch > to gcc 2.4 we will use __attribute__ here." > Do we have any plans to switch to gcc 2.4? 8-) I plan to fix this when we switch to gcc-2.7. The necessary attribute is __attribute__((__mode__(__DI__)) but __DI__ isn't supported in versions of gcc before 2.7. gcc-2.4 through gcc-2.6 support __attribute__((__mode__(DI)) but this can't be used since an application might define DI. I actually plan to declare fpos_t as __BSD_OFF_T__ and define __BSD_OFF__ using __attribute__. >3. has a comment saying that 2147483648 is an > unsigned int for 32-bit two's complement ANSI compilers. However, > it's an unsigned long for 32-bit ANSI compilers, regardless of the > binary encoding used. Ugh. The corresponding problem doesn't occur for UINT_MAX because UINT_MAX is defined as a hex literal and the type rules work more naturally for hex. However, our ULONG_MAX is broken in the opposite way (it has type `unsigned'). The comment could be fixed by writing 0x80000000. I prefer to write all the limits in hex anyway. I did this for 386BSD-0.1 and FreeBSD-1.x inherited the changes, but 4.4BSDLite did it differently. NetBSD writes all the limits in hex and uses `U' and `L' suffixes to get the types right. It also uses a `U' suffix for UCHAR_MAX and USHRT_MAX to get the types wrong (`unsigned', but should be `int' for the i386, since the integral promotions convert both unsigned char and unsigned short to int. There are longstanding bugs and bogons in our definitions of the quad limits. A comment says that gcc requires that they be written as expressions. This isn't true for gcc-2.6. gcc in fact screws up the expressions. E.g., this breaks strtouq(). strtouq("4294967296", 0, 0) returns 18446744073709551615ull instead of 4294967296ull (18446744073709551615 may be more recognisable if it is written as 0xffffffffffffffff or 2^64 - 1). This is fixed in gcc-2.7. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 18:15:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA13116 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linus.demon.co.uk (linus.demon.co.uk [158.152.10.220]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12913 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mark@localhost) by linus.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA07808 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 02:12:52 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199606120112.CAA07808@linus.demon.co.uk> From: mark@linus.demon.co.uk (Mark Valentine) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 02:12:51 +0100 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: small sed bugfix (PR#908) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can I tempt anyone to review and/or commit the tiny fix for an annoying sed bug which I submitted in December, with a view to having this or a similar fix in 2.1.5? It doesn't seem to make the sed regressions tests any noisier than they already were... I'm appending a copy of . Cheers, Mark. -- 8< ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Problem Report bin/908 sed bug with trailing backslashes Confidential no Severity serious Priority medium Responsible freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org State open Class sw-bug Submitter-Id current-users Arrival-Date Thu Dec 21 17:00:01 PST 1995 Last-Modified Wed Dec 27 23:30:01 PST 1995 Originator Mark Valentine Organization Release FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386 Environment n/a Description Sed misinterprets the pair of backslashes at the end of line 2 of the following script, resulting in line 3 being taken as part of the inserted text. 1i\ char foo[] = "\\ s/$/\\n\\/ $a\ "; GNU sed and SunOS 4.1.3 sed insert a single line ending with a backslash, and treat line three as a substition command. How-To-Repeat $ echo test | sed -f char foo[] = "\ s/$/\n\/ test "; $ echo test | /usr/gnu/bin/sed -f char foo[] = "\ test\n\ "; Fix Audit-Trail From: mark@linus.demon.co.uk (Mark Valentine) To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Subject: Re: bin/908: sed bug with trailing backslashes Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 07:19:57 +0000 > From: Mark Valentine > Date: Thu 21 Dec, 1995 > Subject: bin/908: sed bug with trailing backslashes > >Description: > > Sed misinterprets the pair of backslashes at the end of line 2 of > the following script, resulting in line 3 being taken as part of > the inserted text. > > 1i\ > char foo[] = "\\ > s/$/\\n\\/ > $a\ > "; This small patch to usr.bin/sed/compile.c seems to fix it. It replaces escaping backslashes in the input buffer with NULs, and uses those to determine whether the newline was escaped, rather than looking for a (possibly escaped) preceding backslash. --- compile.c.dist Wed Aug 16 21:21:55 1995 +++ compile.c Thu Dec 28 06:32:03 1995 @@ -628,11 +628,11 @@ EATSPACE(); for (; *p; p++) { if (*p == '\\') - p++; + *p++ = '\0'; *s++ = *p; } size += s - op; - if (p[-2] != '\\') { + if (p[-2] != '\0') { *s = '\0'; break; } This patch doesn't seem to break any of the regression tests. Mark. Unformatted -- 8< ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Mark Valentine at Home From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 18:26:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA14136 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [206.151.208.162]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA14131 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA06927; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:26:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:26:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" X-Sender: winter@sasami To: Sean Kelly cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Don't hit.. In-Reply-To: <199606111539.PAA10507@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Sean Kelly wrote: > Of course, FreeBSD's situation is different, and a set of tips might > actually help out in some cases. But consider all the possible > mindsets a user might be in during an install ... ``Damn, I > misconfigured the port address! Damn, I didn't leave enough space for > /usr/games! Damn, it panicked! Damn, these tips are annoying!'' I don't think I've ever seen all the little progress bars... /bin/ls hits the disk about 20 seconds after the filesystems get created and I'm off and running on the holo-shell. :) In addition, they can switch to the debug screen if they want to see something different. :) Have a good one. | Matthew N. Dodd | winter@jurai.net | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | | Technical Manager | mdodd@intersurf.net | http://www.intersurf.net | | InterSurf Online | "Welcome to the net Sir, would you like a handbasket?"| From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 18:30:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA14346 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from melb.werple.net.au (melb.werple.net.au [203.9.190.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA14338 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by melb.werple.net.au (8.7.5/8.7.3/2) with SMTP id LAA04885; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:30:33 +1000 (EST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA00332; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:30:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199606120130.SAA00332@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: John Birrell cc: freebsd.org!hackers@melb.werple.net.au Subject: Re: What is the status of threads for FreeBSD... In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:30:09 +1000." <199606112329.JAA02192@melb.werple.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:30:29 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, I am eager to get the patches and at work we also use OSF. As for 2.1R or -current I can use either one, mostly because I have two disks one is 2.1-stable and the other is 2.2-current Tnks! Amancio >From The Desk Of John Birrell : > As of last week, libc_r builds and installs OK (for me) from -current. > I know of two problems, one with select() and one with _exit(). I have > local patches for these, and I'm working on a set of patches for -current > that won't get me yelled at (!). And then there's an update required to > match POSIX 1003.1c draft 11 (the current stuff is mostly draft 4 to match > OSF/1^H^H^H^H^Hanother system we use). > > We sucessfully use the libc_r from -current with an otherwise 2.1R > installation including the non-threaded X libraries. Window refreshes > are a lot faster, even on a dog-of-a-machine. > > Regards, > > -- > John Birrell CIMlogic Pty Ltd > jb@cimlogic.com.au 119 Cecil Street > Ph +61 3 9690 6900 South Melbourne Vic 3205 > Fax +61 3 9690 6650 Australia > Mob +61 18 353 137 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 18:57:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA15553 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA15548 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.7.5/CET-v2.1) with SMTP id KAA12776 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:57:07 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:57:07 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: scriptless PPP authentication Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I had a quick look at the getty sources and it looks like you could easily put in some code to detect PPP and launch pppd with (chap|pap) instead of login. I saw code like this done in mgetty in the archives of the screaming hordes. Has anyone done this yet? If not I'll write the short bit of code and post the context diffs. Basically, you can place a simple ppp detect state machine in the loop in getname() between the read and the login name buffer building code. getname()'s return value would have to be changed from (true|false) to (unix login|ppp|nothing). Then do the following in getty's main loop: getname() if login exec login else if ppp exec pppd requireauth otherwise nothing This makes Win95 PPP login real easy. -mike hancock From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 18:57:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA15598 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA15592 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA14856 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:54:59 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199606120224.LAA14856@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Stupid driver question... To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:54:58 +0930 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm sure I've seen this asked before, but I can't find or recall the answer. How can a driver tell whether it's being built in a 2.1 or 2.2 kernel? (More specifically, I have a driver I'd like to keep as a single file that needs to be built into 2.1R and -current kernels) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 19:12:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA16409 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 19:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.via.net (ns.via.net [140.174.204.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA16398 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 19:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from joe@localhost) by ns.via.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA02909 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 19:11:56 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 19:11:56 -0700 From: Joe McGuckin Message-Id: <199606120211.TAA02909@ns.via.net> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: DEC PCI Ethernet board problem Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk About 1/3 of the time, after rebooting, the system won't find the ethernet card - forcing me to reboot one more time. Has anyone else seen this? From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 19:31:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA17330 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 19:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uuserve.on.ca (uuserve.on.ca [192.139.145.85]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA17324 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 19:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rjr@localhost) by sparks.empath.on.ca (8.7.5/8.6.12) id WAA16691; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 22:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 22:30:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert J. Rutter" Message-Id: <199606120230.WAA16691@sparks.empath.on.ca> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Newsgroups: local.freebsd-hackers Reply-To: rjr@sparks.empath.on.ca Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >What are the thoughts on breaking this stuff out of mail lists and into >news groups? (At least there I can use kill files to eliminate the noise.) > Or, must I suffer this fate? Any suggestions on how to manage this much >email? Jordan, how do you deal with all this traffic? > >Thanks for letting me make some noise about the noise. > >Darren I use procmail and Cnews to post digests and mailing lists to local newsgroups. These are both from the 2.1R CDROM. I then read them with trn (3.6). Articles with related subject lines are automagically threaded by trn, so unwanted threads can be spotted easily and killed (or put in a kill file). Cnews expires messages depending on how long I want to keep a particular group available for reference. Hope this helps. This method is a little slow and is tedious to set up but it sure beats wading through the 1000+ messages per week I would otherwise have in my mailbox. Wrt to going to newsgroups; you will see the useful content/noise ratio drop by an order of magnitude (if other mailing lists that have done the same are any indication). Please don't even consider it. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 20:15:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA20063 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA20057 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:15:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA01050 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:15:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199606120315.UAA01050@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: duplicate mail messages Content-ID: <1012.834549305.0@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:15:39 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1012.834549305.1@rah.star-gate.com> Some of you may find this interesting and remember to use the latest procmail. I myself have not tried out procmail over here however I am going to give it a try 8) ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Replied: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:02:37 -0700 Replied: Andrew J Cosgriff Replied: exmh-users@sunlabs.eng.Sun.COM Return-Path: Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by mail5 (8.6.13/Netcom) id QAA26480; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:37:35 -0700 Received: by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id QAA24216; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:09:51 -0700 Received: filtered by sunlabs.eng.sun.com (SunLabs-1.2) id AA26937; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:08:10 -0700 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM) by sunlabs.eng.sun.com (SunLabs-1.2) id AA26911; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:08:05 -0700 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id QAA04214; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:08:22 -0700 Received: by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id QAA23775; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:08:20 -0700 Received: (from Uunico@localhost) by perki0.connect.com.au id JAA26749 (8.7.5/IDA-1.6 for exmh-users@sunlabs.eng.Sun.COM); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:08:14 +1000 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: perki0.connect.com.au: Uunico set sender to ajc@ufo.dev.unico.com.au using -f >Received: from ufo (ufo [192.168.21.21]) by padre.dev.unico.com.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00088 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 08:08:03 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199606112208.IAA00088@padre.dev.unico.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.6 3/24/96 To: exmh-users@sunlabs.eng.Sun.COM Subject: Re: duplicat mail messages :( boundary="===_0_Mon_Jun_10_23:31:08_PDT_1996" In-Reply-To: hasty's message of Mon, 10 Jun 1996 23:32:16 -0700. <199606110632.XAA00867@rah.star-gate.com> X-Attribution: ajc X-Uri: X-Face: PBPJ+.AE`FBN4$}H rwwEhJ)x?-5$MQ%Z)svNR@Q\WG6[GDr,}a@8ULwGWBsk,Pqxm!Z- Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 08:07:30 +1000 From: Andrew J Cosgriff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-exmh-users@sunlabs.eng.Sun.COM Precedence: bulk "Amancio Hasty Jr." wrote: > >We are having somewhat of a problem on FreeBSD with duplicate mail >messages sent to our various mailings lists . The following >script or at least the idea of it helps to alleviate our >traffic. It would be nice if someone could converted it to >tcl and integrate it into exmh. Of course, if you're using procmail (and why aren't you ? :), something like Avoid duplicates (by Message ID) :0 Wh: msgid.lock | formail -D 16384 msgid.cache put at the top of your procmailrc works just fine and you don't need to remember to run anything periodically... Enjoy, Andrew. -- - Andrew J Cosgriff - ajc@bing.wattle.id.au - Mobile : +61-14-856-122 SysAdmin / Support Dude, UNICO Computer Systems PGP & MIME ok and preferred "...Lemon Curry ???" ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0-- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 20:30:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA21998 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA21993 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [204.214.4.2]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id UAA24733 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.104.22.180] by fly.HiWAAY.net; (8.7.5/1.1.8.2/21Sep95-1003PM) id WAA16767; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 22:27:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 21:42:31 -0500 To: Darren Davis , bmc@telebase.com From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Quicken (was Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh!) - Reply Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:11 AM -0500 6/11/96, Darren Davis wrote: >>>> Brian Clapper 6/11 7:26am >>> >Curtis Olson's Check Book Balancer (CBB). The latest version of CBB is >available at: > > ftp.me.umn.edu:/pub/finance/cbb-[version].tar.gz > >It requires perl 4.036 or later (perl5 is preferred) and tk4.0 or later. >It'll read Quicken input files, apparently. >---- >Brian Clapper .............................................. bmc@telebase.com >http://www.netaxs.com/~bmc/ ............. PGP public key available on request >How can you work when the system's so crowded? > >>>> >Excellent, has anybody made a port of it? I've thought if I were to write a Quicken replacement I'd call it Stiffen, or has somebody beat me to it? :-) -- David Kelly N4HHE, n4hhe@amsat.org, dkelly@hiwaay.net ============================================================= To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. - Thomas Edison From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 20:33:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA22210 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA22191; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA04275; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606120333.UAA04275@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: fs@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Reply-to: fs@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199606111540.LAA03533@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca> (message from Josh Tiefenbach on Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:40:56 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: Breaking ffs - speed enhancement? From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Speaking of filesystems, does anyone know about works done on very large (disk) filesystems? By "large", I'm talking in the range of 100GB - 5TB. I know that FFS will have some problems once we go over about 200GB (multi-hour fsck being one). But all we can find are studies on tape-based systems (how to migrate stuff to/from disk, etc.)... Thanks Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 20:42:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA23001 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA22982 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA28576; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:41:20 +1000 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:41:20 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199606120341.NAA28576@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: nate@sri.MT.net, terry@lambert.org Subject: Re: Don't hit.. Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> > ! i386/isa/npx.c standard npx device-driver >I *did* do a submission about 4 months ago, but it was rejected on the >basis that the NPX option was supposed to move to referring ONLY to the >emulation seperate from intrinsic FPU support, so you could pull the >emulator out without pulling out the emulator/FPU switch code (I >believe Bruce was working on it). Actually, npx should be entirely for the hardware so that you can disable the hardware without breaking the emulator(s). Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 11 23:26:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA02059 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 23:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA02042 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 23:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id IAA27573; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 08:20:34 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA09013; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 08:20:34 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA03546; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 08:15:22 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199606120615.IAA03546@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: scriptless PPP authentication To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 08:15:21 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: michaelh@cet.co.jp (Michael Hancock) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from Michael Hancock at "Jun 12, 96 10:57:07 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Michael Hancock wrote: > I had a quick look at the getty sources and it looks like you could easily > put in some code to detect PPP and launch pppd with (chap|pap) instead of > login. I saw code like this done in mgetty in the archives of the > screaming hordes. > > Has anyone done this yet? If not I'll write the short bit of code and > post the context diffs. There's a PR open for it, and you might even find the discussion it was causing in the hackers list in our mailing list archives. (The PR is *with* a fix.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 01:05:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA06675 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 01:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gandalf.me.ksu.edu (joed@gandalf.me.ksu.edu [129.130.41.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA06658 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 01:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from joed@localhost) by gandalf.me.ksu.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA22519 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 03:04:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe Diehl Message-Id: <199606120804.DAA22519@gandalf.me.ksu.edu> Subject: Motif and FreeBSD To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 03:04:54 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, A few weeks ago I posted asking about compiling Motif under FreeBSD. I'd like to thank everyone who replied again.... I was able to compile Motif 2.0 and have now been compiling and running Motif apps for about a week. I do still have my install notes sitting around... If there is any interest I could clean them up a little bit and post them somewhere. Though the compile worked out to be fairly simple. Btw- The existing version of flex in 2.1.0-RELEASE (v 2.4.7 I believe) is not high enough to compile Motif, instead I needed to fetch and install v2.5.3... Anyway to get this updated in future release of FreeBSD? Thanks again.. :) --- Joe Diehl Network and Systems Administrator KSU College of Engineering From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 02:26:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA11211 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 02:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA11132 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 02:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de) by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V5.0-4 #13110) id <01I5TIECL8SG001RBT@mail.rwth-aachen.de>; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:20:26 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA04594; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:29:00 +0200 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:28:59 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Subject: Re: Motif and FreeBSD In-reply-to: <199606120804.DAA22519@gandalf.me.ksu.edu> To: joed@engg.ksu.edu (Joe Diehl) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-to: Christoph Kukulies Message-id: <199606120929.LAA04594@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL16 (25)] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hello, > > A few weeks ago I posted asking about compiling Motif under FreeBSD. I'd > like to thank everyone who replied again.... I was able to compile Motif 2.0 > and have now been compiling and running Motif apps for about a week. > > I do still have my install notes sitting around... If there is any interest > I could clean them up a little bit and post them somewhere. Though the > compile worked out to be fairly simple. > > Btw- The existing version of flex in 2.1.0-RELEASE (v 2.4.7 I believe) is > not high enough to compile Motif, instead I needed to fetch and install > v2.5.3... Anyway to get this updated in future release of FreeBSD? flex is also in ports/devel/flex and you might get it to your machine this way. Though the version there is v2.5.2 you might try to bump the version number in the Makefile, pull from the master site and build (after removing files/md5 since the checksum wouldn't fit anymore). > > Thanks again.. :) > > --- > Joe Diehl > Network and Systems Administrator > KSU College of Engineering > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 02:35:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA12058 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 02:35:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egeo.unipg.it (egeo.unipg.it [141.250.1.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA12039 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 02:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by egeo.unipg.it (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/MH-1.09) id AA11213; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:33:26 +0200 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:33:26 +0200 From: peppe@unipg.it (Giuseppe Vitillaro) Message-Id: <9606120933.AA11213@egeo.unipg.it> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: paging activity on Adaptec 1542B Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to use an old SCSI Adaptec 1542b controller to setup my new Pentium FreeBSD WS, with FreeBSD 2.1.0R. The controller alredy has the updated 3.20 Adaptec BIOS and firmware. I'm just testing the configuration using a little program that just produce a lot of paging activity. Here is the program: ================================================ #include #include #include #define LEN 20*1024*1024 int main ( int argc, char **argv ) { char *p; int i=0,j; time_t t; p = malloc(LEN); if (!p) { printf("Alloc error\n"); exit(1); } while(++i) { for ( j=0; j < LEN; j++ ) p[j] = 0xAA; sleep(60); time(&t); printf ("%010d - %s", i, ctime(&t)); fflush(stdout); } free(p); return ( 0 ); } ================================================ The machines has 16Mb RAM, so this innocent program is just stressing the machine by continuosly paging in and out. The machine work fine for one o two days, then panics with messages like: Jun 11 19:26:04 phoenix /kernel: swap_pager_finish: I/O error, clean of page 2e7000 failed Jun 11 19:26:04 phoenix /kernel: sd0(aha0:0:0): timed out Jun 11 19:26:04 phoenix /kernel: adapter not taking commands.. frozen?! Jun 11 19:26:05 phoenix /kernel: Debugger("aha1542") called. Jun 11 19:26:05 phoenix /kernel: Jun 11 19:26:05 phoenix /kernel: sd0(aha0:0:0): timed out Jun 11 19:26:05 phoenix /kernel: adapter not taking commands.. frozen?! Jun 11 19:26:05 phoenix /kernel: Debugger("aha1542") called. Jun 11 19:26:05 phoenix /kernel: AGAIN Jun 11 19:26:05 phoenix /kernel: aha0: MBO 02 and not 00 (free) Jun 11 19:26:05 phoenix /kernel: sd0(aha0:0:0): timed out Jun 11 19:26:05 phoenix /kernel: adapter not taking commands.. frozen?! Jun 11 19:26:05 phoenix /kernel: Debugger("aha1542") called. Jun 11 19:26:05 phoenix /kernel: Jun 11 19:26:06 phoenix /kernel: sd0(aha0:0:0): timed out Jun 11 19:26:06 phoenix /kernel: adapter not taking commands.. frozen?! Jun 11 19:26:06 phoenix /kernel: Debugger("aha1542") called. Jun 11 19:26:06 phoenix /kernel: AGAIN Jun 11 19:26:06 phoenix /kernel: aha0: MBO 02 and not 00 (free) Jun 11 19:26:06 phoenix /kernel: sd0(aha0:0:0): timed out Jun 11 19:26:06 phoenix /kernel: adapter not taking comman I already tried to change the disk (thinking an HW error) but I had the same problem again. The problem doesn't seems to present if the machine is not paging so much. Looking to this list I found another reference (but to a 2940 I believe) on the same problem. Any idea on what may be wrong? I suspect a SW problem, but may be at the same time an HW problem. Thank in advance, Peppe. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 02:58:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA13247 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 02:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.34.47]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA13242 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 02:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (localhost.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA19589 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 02:58:29 -0700 From: Josh MacDonald Message-Id: <199606120958.CAA19589@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: strange mmap programming bug Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 02:58:28 -0700 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm having this problem. I don't know if its only on FreeBSD or not, as I have only experienced it on FreeBSD and its hard to reproduce. Occasionally, when a program of mine exits abnormally, it seems that small files which were opened O_RDONLY and then mmaped are being modified. I am mmaping the entire file. I have only noticed this for files smaller than PAGESIZE. The file's length is changed to be exactly 4096 bytes with zero's padding the original data. Basically, its fd = open(filename, O_RDONLY) fstat(fd, &sbuf) mmap(0, sbuf.st_size, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, fd, 0) with the appropriate error checks. Does anyone have an idea what could be happening? -josh From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 05:46:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA29541 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 05:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA29536 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 05:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chuck@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id IAA08299; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 08:45:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 08:45:41 -0400 From: Charles Green Message-Id: <199606121245.IAA08299@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> In-Reply-To: Terry Lambert "Re: T-shirts for donations ;)...Maybe?????" (Jun 10, 17:25) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: T-shirts for donations ;)...Maybe????? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert stands accused of saying: } Date: Jun 10, 17:25 } Subject: Re: T-shirts for donations ;)...Maybe????? } > > > Also, there was mention of non-profit status. I think it would } > > > be time and money well spent to make it so that contributions } > > > were tax deductible. This } > > } > > Just to clarify this once more: If there were enough money coming in } > > to offset the headache of the additional bookkeeping, I'd do it (and } > } > I think $25.00 donation (for a BSD daemon t-shirt/FreeBSD related attire) } > may go over well. Any comments?... } } If you are doing the whole PBS thing... } } Donation Premium } } $50 "Contributor T-shirt", not available otherwise } $100 "Daemon plushie" } $150 "T shirt and plushie" } $200 T-shirt, plushie, "special edition CDROM" } $300 T-shirt, plushie, "special edition CDROM", Signed by } author(s) "Design and Implementation" book } ... } "Special edition CDROM" includes XInside Motif? Dunno -- think of } some way to make it special, besides a different "not available } otherwise" silkscreen... I think a special edition CDROM with commercial software on it is a good idea. Assuming a portion of the proceeds go to the commercial software developers, it also helps support those companies that took the time and effort to port their apps to FreeBSD. } } non-profit (tax deductible donations) status would help... } } } Terry Lambert } terry@lambert.org } --- } Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present } or previous employers. }-- End of excerpt from Terry Lambert -- Charles Green, PRC Inc. UN*X System Administration 22 Powell Ave. Apt. B UN*X Security & Whitesboro, NY 13492 Programming From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 06:40:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA02309 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 06:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from teil.soft.net (tata_elxsi.soft.net [164.164.10.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA02303 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 06:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by teil.soft.net (920330.SGI/920502.SGI.JF) for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG id AA13583; Wed, 12 Jun 96 19:10:12 -0800 From: rishim@teil.soft.net (Rishi Gautam) Message-Id: <9606130310.AA13583@teil.soft.net> Subject: Need help for pseudo driver To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:10:11 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi I want to write a pseudo device on FreeBSD. I want the number of pseudo-interface to be configurable? Please tell me what I have to do in the kernel configuration file and also in the driver code. For this I looked on in the SLIP driver. It's include "sl.h" in the if_sl.c. But I couldn't find the file in the src tree. Is the file will created after running the config command, or it will be automatically created during the compilation? I am also confused about the define value NSL in if_sl.c. Could you tell me where it is defined. In my pseudo driver I want to use such values, which will be same as the unit number for the pseudo device entry in the MYKERNEL configuration file . Please send the information to me. Thanking you. Rishi G M rishim@teil.soft.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 07:24:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA04377 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 07:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA04360 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 07:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id bf13806; 12 Jun 96 15:22 +0100 Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa17698; 12 Jun 96 14:57 +0100 Received: (from fhackers@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.12) id BAA00958; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 01:07:46 GMT Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 01:07:46 GMT Message-Id: <199606120107.BAA00958@jraynard.demon.co.uk> From: James Raynard To: taob@io.org CC: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Brian Tao on Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:44:40 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: Any remaining installation wish-list items out there? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> Brian Tao writes: > > On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > In case it wasn't already evident by the recent spate of hacking in > > /usr/src/release/sysinstall, I'm sort of planning on sweeping up the > > last of the outstanding problems/issues with this utility and retiring > > it in peace. Requiescat in pacem... > Was the problem with /etc/sysconfig ever resolved? I think the Changing the subject slightly, did anyone ever get around to sorting out a utility for adding an extra disk to an installed system? I've performed some rather brutal surgery on sysinstall and managed to cut out practically everything that's not related to configuring disks; what's left compiles and (as far as I can tell from some very cautious testing on my only disk) looks as though it can fdisk/disklabel without doing anything harmful. However, I think I've gone about as far as I can with my limited setup and it really needs someone with a spare disk (or even better, a spare machine) to knock it into shape. The main things that need doing are adding some code to newfs the disk, re-write the menus and of course give it a thorough testing. I don't think it would be very difficult to finish it off (and earn the eternal gratitude of multitudes of FreeBSD users 8-) Anyone interested? -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland james@jraynard.demon.co.uk jraynard@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 07:32:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA04918 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 07:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA04906 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 07:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id ar13576; 12 Jun 96 15:19 +0100 Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa17510; 12 Jun 96 14:56 +0100 Received: (from fhackers@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.12) id LAA05014; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:09:09 GMT Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:09:09 GMT Message-Id: <199606121109.LAA05014@jraynard.demon.co.uk> From: James Raynard To: bde@zeta.org.au CC: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199606120041.KAA21730@godzilla.zeta.org.au> (message from Bruce Evans on Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:41:59 +1000) Subject: Re: Header files Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> Bruce Evans writes: > > >2. The stdio library requires fpos_t to be an 8-byte type. In stdio.h, > > it's typedef'd as an off_t if neither _ANSI_SOURCE or > > __STRICT_ANSI__ are defined, with a comment saying "When we switch > > to gcc 2.4 we will use __attribute__ here." > > > Do we have any plans to switch to gcc 2.4? 8-) > > I plan to fix this when we switch to gcc-2.7. The necessary attribute is > > __attribute__((__mode__(__DI__)) > > but __DI__ isn't supported in versions of gcc before 2.7. gcc-2.4 through > gcc-2.6 support > > __attribute__((__mode__(DI)) > > but this can't be used since an application might define DI. I see. Thanks. > I actually plan to declare fpos_t as __BSD_OFF_T__ and define __BSD_OFF__ > using __attribute__. I've got some patches (which I'll commit tonight) that get stdio to compile cleanly with gcc -Wall. I tried throwing in a few more warnings, including -ansi, just for fun, and got tons of complaints about fpos_t, which is why I started looking at it. (Although -ansi isn't really appropriate for this kind of code anyway). > >3. has a comment saying that 2147483648 is an > > unsigned int for 32-bit two's complement ANSI compilers. However, > > it's an unsigned long for 32-bit ANSI compilers, regardless of the > > binary encoding used. > > Ugh. The corresponding problem doesn't occur for UINT_MAX because > UINT_MAX is defined as a hex literal and the type rules work more > naturally for hex. However, our ULONG_MAX is broken in the opposite way > (it has type `unsigned'). It should be be written as 0xffffffffUL, as you mention below. > The comment could be fixed by writing 0x80000000. I prefer to write all > the limits in hex anyway. I did this for 386BSD-0.1 and FreeBSD-1.x > inherited the changes, but 4.4BSDLite did it differently. NetBSD writes > all the limits in hex and uses `U' and `L' suffixes to get the types > right. It also uses a `U' suffix for UCHAR_MAX and USHRT_MAX to get the > types wrong (`unsigned', but should be `int' for the i386, since the > integral promotions convert both unsigned char and unsigned short to int. > There are longstanding bugs and bogons in our definitions of the quad > limits. A comment says that gcc requires that they be written as > expressions. This isn't true for gcc-2.6. gcc in fact screws up the > expressions. E.g., this breaks strtouq(). strtouq("4294967296", 0, 0) > returns 18446744073709551615ull instead of 4294967296ull > (18446744073709551615 may be more recognisable if it is written as > 0xffffffffffffffff or 2^64 - 1). This is fixed in gcc-2.7. Oh, I didn't realise that. -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland james@jraynard.demon.co.uk jraynard@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 07:43:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA06006 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 07:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06001 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 07:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA01161; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 07:39:20 -0700 (PDT) To: James Raynard cc: taob@io.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any remaining installation wish-list items out there? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jun 1996 01:07:46 GMT." <199606120107.BAA00958@jraynard.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 07:39:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1159.834590360@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Changing the subject slightly, did anyone ever get around to sorting > out a utility for adding an extra disk to an installed system? Hmmmm. Well, if you can manage to access a copy of sysinstall that's fairly recent, let me know if: sysinstall diskPartitionEditor and sysinstall diskLabelEditor Seem to meet your criteria. If you're feeling very bold, you can try: sysinstall diskPartitionEditor diskLabelEditor diskLabelCommit and combine the operations into a short tour. If you think this approach has potential (and avoiding brutal and risky surgery is always generally a good thing :-) then let me know how/if you'd see it improved upon. Jordan > > I've performed some rather brutal surgery on sysinstall and managed to > cut out practically everything that's not related to configuring > disks; what's left compiles and (as far as I can tell from some very > cautious testing on my only disk) looks as though it can > fdisk/disklabel without doing anything harmful. > > However, I think I've gone about as far as I can with my limited setup > and it really needs someone with a spare disk (or even better, a spare > machine) to knock it into shape. The main things that need doing are > adding some code to newfs the disk, re-write the menus and of course > give it a thorough testing. I don't think it would be very difficult > to finish it off (and earn the eternal gratitude of multitudes of > FreeBSD users 8-) > > Anyone interested? > > -- > James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland > james@jraynard.demon.co.uk > jraynard@FreeBSD.ORG > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 08:11:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA09784 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 08:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from novell.com (prv-ums.Provo.Novell.COM [137.65.40.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA09776 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 08:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from INET-PRV-Message_Server by novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:13:04 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:18:08 -0600 From: Darren Davis To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: 64bit support? Encoding: 11 Text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am aware that GCC has 64bit integers (long long) support. I was hoping to find a more compiler portable approach for handling 64 bit numbers. Is anyone aware of a 64bit package either in the form of libraries or macros that can handle basic 64bit math? Thanks, Darren R. Davis Senior Software Engineer Novell, Inc. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 08:26:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA12017 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 08:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12011 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 08:26:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA01393; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:21:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199606121521.LAA01393@Glock.COM> Subject: Re: ST43400N To: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606112010.AA13884@Sisyphos> from "Stefan Esser" at Jun 11, 96 10:10:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stefan Esser writes: Well, I know this is a second reply, but while I was asleep last night the thing started doing those ccb timeouts again. The system still worked, but it took me 5 minutes to log in and reboot it the kernel was so busy with the disk errors. I'm gonna try some of the sugeestions below: > } > If you are running a -current kernel, then please try > } > one built with "options FAILSAFE". This will disable > } > use of tagged command queues, which are the most likely > } > cause of the problem you report. > } > If the drive works with tags disabled, then I'll send > } > further directions to find out whether it is possible > } > to work around that problem. (You may comment out the > } > call to scsi_start_unit() in /sys/scsi/sd.c for a test.) > } Do the above two paragraphs apply to a 2.1.0-RELEASE > } kernel as well? This drive is on a 2.1.0-R system. > Look at /sys/pci/ncr.c (line 6242 in -stable): > ncr_setmaxtags (tp, SCSI_NCR_MAX_TAGS); > Change this into: > ncr_setmaxtags (tp, 0); > This is part of what FAILSAFE does in current kernels ... Ok, I did this. > The paragraph about scsi_start_unit() applies to 2.1.0R. If things don't work this way I'll remove that next. Thanks for the suggestions. -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@goof.com http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 09:49:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA16178 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cd.iidpwr.com ([204.33.177.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16173 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:49:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tam@localhost) by cd.iidpwr.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA14979; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:51:55 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:51:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Tam To: babkin@hq.icb.chel.su cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: DigiBoard Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Serge A. Babkin wrote: > > > > > FreeBSD hackers, > > > > Good morning, FreeBSD hackers. > > > > I would like some help on DigiBoard PC/Xe. > > > > I am using FreeBSD-2.1.0-RELEASE. I compiled my kernel with the following option: > > > > device dgb0 at isa? port 0x320 iomem 0xfc0000 iosiz ? tty > > > > > > Following messages comes up when I am trying to boot my FreeBSD with the above option: > > > > dgb0: port 0x320 mem 0xfc0000 > > dgb0: got reset after 0 us > > dgb0: PC/Xe 64/8K (windowed) > > dgb0 at 0x320-0x323 maddr 0xfc0000 msize 8192 on isa > > dgb0: internal memory segment 0xf000 > > dgb0: got reset after 0 us > > dgb0: switched to window 0x0 > > dgb0: switched to window 0x7 > > dgb0: switched to window 0x7 > > dgb0: switched to window 0x0 > > dgb0: switched to window 0x0 > > dgb0: reset dropped after 0 us > > dgb0: switched to window 0x0 > > dgb0: BIOS download failed > > dgb0: Error#(0x0,0x0) code=0x0 > > Does your machine have over 15M of memory ? If so, you need to map > your Digiboard to some address in the ISA address hole (between > 640K and 1M). > > -SB Serge, Thank you for sharing your knowledge with me. Yes, my machine has more than 15M of RAM. It has 32M byte of RAM. I have tried what you recommend. I compiled my kernel with the following option now: device dgb0 at isa? port 0x320 iomem 0xf0000 iosiz ? tty But I am still having problems. Following is the error messsage I am having: dgb0: port 0x320 mem 0xf0000 dgb0: got reset after 0 us dgb0: PC/Xe 64/8K (windowed) dgb0 at 0x320-0x323 maddr 0xf0000 msize 8192 on isa dgb0: internal memory segment 0xf000 dgb0: got reset after 0 us dgb0: switched to window 0x0 dgb0: switched to window 0x7 dgb0: switched to window 0x7 dgb0: switched to window 0x0 dgb0: wrong code in BIOS at addr 0xc00 : 0x84 instead of 0x28 dgb0: wrong code in BIOS at addr 0xc01 : 0xa9 instead of 0x43 dgb0: wrong code in BIOS at addr 0xc02 : 0x1 instead of 0x29 dgb0: wrong code in BIOS at addr 0xc03 : 0x3c instead of 0x20 dgb0: wrong code in BIOS at addr 0xc04 : 0x15 instead of 0x43 dgb0: 4th memory test (BIOS load) fails dgb0: switched to window 0x0 dgb0: reset dropped after 0 us dgb0: switched to window 0x0 dgb0: BIOS download failed dgb0: Error#(0x2020,0x2020) code=0x2e30 Any idea? Management is eager to make the DigiBoard working with FreeBSD. Now, they provide me time and material. So it is the best opportunity to get the DigiBoard works. -- Yours truly, Tony Tam +------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Tony Tam | Imperial Irrigation District | | Imperial Irrigation District | 333 E. Barioni Blvd. | | email: tam@cd.iidpwr.com | P.O. BOX 937 | | tel: (619) 339 9454 | Imperial, CA 92251 | | fax: (619) 339 9189 | U.S.A. | +------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 10:29:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA18144 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18127; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.12/1.53) id TAA16720; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:26:54 +0200 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199606121726.TAA16720@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: Re: the books are here ! To: Gary.Jennejohn@munich.netsurf.de (Gary Jennejohn), freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:26:53 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: gruner@leo.org, br@stiller.netland.inka.de, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, fcb@gwynedd.freenix.fr, guido@freebsd.org, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, micheel@fokus.gmd.de, dutchman@spase.nl, lars@elbe.desy.de, babafou@ensta.fr, root@totum.plaut.de, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, regnauld@hsc.fr, pb@fasterix.freenix.fr, jesse@csmd.cs.Uni-Magdeburg.DE, lmcsato@lmc.ericsson.se, se@zpr.uni-koeln.de, thomas@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de, wosch@freebsd.org, piero@strider.free.it, jhs@freebsd.org, khe@muc.ditec.de In-Reply-To: <199606031121.LAA01894@peedub.gj.org> from Gary Jennejohn at "Jun 3, 96 11:21:56 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gary Jennejohn wrote: > books shipped to me. It was NOT cheap ! My 10 books cost 131 USD to > ship. Add on the re-shipping cost and it may have been cheaper to > have Readme.Doc ship the books directly to each person who ordered. > I can't say. I just got my credit card bill of this month. The guys at readme.doc took $95.76 for 2 books. That is $27 for shipping. I thnk that is rediculous. I am thinking about ghaving my credit card company undoing the transaction. I think we shouldnt do business with these guys anymore. Any other advise of your side maybe? -Guido From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 10:55:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA19676 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19631; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de) by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V5.0-4 #13110) id <01I5TZS5Y1XS001ZFH@mail.rwth-aachen.de>; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:38:44 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA05865; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:47:05 +0200 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:47:05 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Subject: Re: the books are here ! In-reply-to: <199606121726.TAA16720@gvr.win.tue.nl> To: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Cc: Gary.Jennejohn@munich.netsurf.de, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, gruner@leo.org, br@stiller.netland.inka.de, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, fcb@gwynedd.freenix.fr, guido@freebsd.org, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, micheel@fokus.gmd.de, dutchman@spase.nl, lars@elbe.desy.de, babafou@ensta.fr, root@totum.plaut.de, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, regnauld@hsc.fr, pb@fasterix.freenix.fr, jesse@csmd.cs.Uni-Magdeburg.DE, lmcsato@lmc.ericsson.se, se@zpr.uni-koeln.de, thomas@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de, wosch@freebsd.org, piero@strider.free.it, jhs@freebsd.org, khe@muc.ditec.de Reply-to: Christoph Kukulies Message-id: <199606121747.TAA05865@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL16 (25)] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Gary Jennejohn wrote: > > books shipped to me. It was NOT cheap ! My 10 books cost 131 USD to > > ship. Add on the re-shipping cost and it may have been cheaper to > > have Readme.Doc ship the books directly to each person who ordered. > > I can't say. > > I just got my credit card bill of this month. The guys at readme.doc > took $95.76 for 2 books. That is $27 for shipping. I thnk that is > rediculous. I am thinking about ghaving my credit card company undoing Note that DHL shipping is always expensive. That's their price.It's fast and it is two day air mail. It has to be kind of blamed to ourselves that we didn't negotiate that beforehand. > the transaction. I think we shouldnt do business with these guys anymore. Don't be so harsh :-) The price we payed ($ 33.00 vs. $ 48.00 single list price) is OK. I asked at my local book store and their price would have been more than DM 110,-- (at least they said, more likely more). Paying around DM 80,-- (including shipping within Europe) is OK. Again, for the future, say, BSD 4.5 (:-) we should think of better shipping modalities. > > Any other advise of your side maybe? > > -Guido --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 10:56:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA19817 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19803 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id SAA19248; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:30:39 +0100 (BST) To: rishim@teil.soft.net (Rishi Gautam) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Need help for pseudo driver In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:10:11 -0800." <9606130310.AA13583@teil.soft.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:30:39 +0100 Message-ID: <19246.834600639@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rishi Gautam wrote in message ID <9606130310.AA13583@teil.soft.net>: > For this I looked on in the SLIP driver. It's include "sl.h" in > the if_sl.c. But I couldn't find the file in the src tree. > Is the file will created after running the config command, or it will > be automatically created during the compilation? sl.h is generated by config. > I am also confused about the define value NSL in if_sl.c. Could > you tell me where it is defined. NSL is defined in sl.h :-) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 11:15:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA20958 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20946 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA07074; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:15:15 +0200 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA25680 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:14:49 +0200 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA20872 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:32:08 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.12/8.6.6) id XAA03563; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 23:20:26 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199606112120.XAA03563@yedi.iaf.nl> X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands Subject: Re: MAX Filesystem size To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 23:20:26 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: stacy@server-001.ey.ca, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199606112019.NAA04421@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Jun 11, 96 01:19:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Terry Lambert wrote... > > > Stacy's dumb question of the day.... what is the max. size for a ufs > > filesystem on 2.1.0-R? Or, another way, how many 4GB drives can I > > string together with ccd and make a single filesystem? :-) > > > > I looked in TFM, but I couldn't find the answer. > > 2TB or 512 4G drives. > But expect some weirdness at sizes well below that 2Tb. I tested up to 20G or so (with a hardware based raid). With my current hardware I can go to 14*4.3Gb, so I'll (time permitting) try that before 2.2R goes out Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 11:21:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA21334 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA21328 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA06484; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:20:18 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606121820.LAA06484@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: MAX Filesystem size To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:20:18 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, stacy@server-001.ey.ca, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199606112120.XAA03563@yedi.iaf.nl> from "Wilko Bulte" at Jun 11, 96 11:20:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Stacy's dumb question of the day.... what is the max. size for a ufs > > > filesystem on 2.1.0-R? Or, another way, how many 4GB drives can I > > > string together with ccd and make a single filesystem? :-) > > > > > > I looked in TFM, but I couldn't find the answer. > > > > 2TB or 512 4G drives. > > > > But expect some weirdness at sizes well below that 2Tb. I tested up > to 20G or so (with a hardware based raid). > > With my current hardware I can go to 14*4.3Gb, so I'll (time > permitting) try that before 2.2R goes out If you upgrade to -current and add Satoshi's patch, you can get well over 200G (which is what he has tested, so far, according to the CCD page). You should look at the CCD WWW page. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 12:08:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA24121 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smoke.microwiz.com (smoke.microwiz.com [206.100.22.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24116 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jpm.microwiz.com (jpm.microwiz.com [206.100.22.140]) by smoke.microwiz.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA10586 Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606121909.MAA10586@smoke.microwiz.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John McNamee" Organization: MicroWizards To: Tony Tam Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:13:21 PST Subject: Re: DigiBoard CC: hackers@freebsd.org Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > device dgb0 at isa? port 0x320 iomem 0xf0000 iosiz ? tty You're trying to map the Digiboard on top of the BIOS ROM. You need to find an *UNUSED* area of memory in the 640K to 1M area. See the Digiboard manual for a list of possible choices. I suggest 0xd8000. You should also contact Oleg N Panashchenko for information on Digiboard driver patches. -- John McNamee MicroWizards Voice: 702-825-3535 / FAX: 702-825-3443 http://www.microwiz.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 13:34:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA00610 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA00595; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA06704; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:33:29 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606122033.NAA06704@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Breaking ffs - speed enhancement? To: fs@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:33:29 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199606120333.UAA04275@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> from "Satoshi Asami" at Jun 11, 96 08:33:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Speaking of filesystems, does anyone know about works done on very > large (disk) filesystems? By "large", I'm talking in the range of > 100GB - 5TB. > > I know that FFS will have some problems once we go over about 200GB > (multi-hour fsck being one). But all we can find are studies on > tape-based systems (how to migrate stuff to/from disk, etc.)... Contact Matt Day about soft updates, which are running under Windows 95 in the cubilcle next to mine (mday@elbereth.org). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 13:36:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA00808 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmc.eng.comsat.com (cmc.eng.comsat.com [134.133.169.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA00796 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmc (cmc.eng.comsat.com) by cmc.eng.comsat.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22903; Wed, 12 Jun 96 13:57:56 EDT Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:40:06 -0400 (EDT) From: MARC Giannoni Subject: DigiBoard drivers To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've got the dgb driver working on a PC/8e, but there are problems. One problem is that a process will hang when closing a digi port, the other is that the driver can crash the kernel. To test the driver, I am using "kermit" to connect to a "Telebit" modem and do some AT commands. The version I am using comes with the 2.1-RELEASE: * dgb.c $Id: dgb.c,v 1.2.2.2 1995/10/13 03:41:22 davidg Exp $ I tried the patch from Serge A. Babkin, but it didn't help, however I also saw a post that claimed this patch was not really correct. At this point I am trying to port the '-current' version of dgb.c to 2.1 but this is difficult, and I am beginning to doubt if it will work. Are there any new patches for dgb.c? -OR- Where can I get the correct version? | Marc V. Giannoni | Voice: (301) 428-2547 | | COMSAT Mobile Communications | Fax: (301) 601-5959 | | 22300 Comsat Drive | Internet: marc@cmc.eng.comsat.com | | Clarksburg, MD 20871 | Title: Software Engineer | From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 13:38:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA01005 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA00999 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA06718; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:37:34 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606122037.NAA06718@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: T-shirts for donations ;)...Maybe????? To: green@fang.cs.sunyit.edu (Charles Green) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:37:34 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199606121245.IAA08299@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> from "Charles Green" at Jun 12, 96 08:45:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > } ... > } "Special edition CDROM" includes XInside Motif? Dunno -- think of > } some way to make it special, besides a different "not available > } otherwise" silkscreen... > > I think a special edition CDROM with commercial software > on it is a good idea. Assuming a portion of the proceeds go to > the commercial software developers, it also helps support those > companies that took the time and effort to port their apps to > FreeBSD. Actually, thinking more on this, I'd like to see a SunSoft-like key-based commercial software distribution CDROM. Install the demo version, call up with a credit card to get a key to turn it intothe real thing. I've played with a bunch of these for SPARC SunOS and Solaris. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 14:10:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA04359 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04353 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA04824 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:14:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Interesting networking note from Sun, may affect BSD... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I can send the article to anybody who requests it. Basically, many of the speed enhancements that improved high-speed media performance, caused low-speed media degradation to get even worse... This may apply to FreeBSD, perhaps a networking guru could take a look. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 14:15:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA04925 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04897 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA07502; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:15:53 +0200 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA03290 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:15:21 +0200 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA26765 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:50:29 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA00509; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:38:49 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199606121738.TAA00509@yedi.iaf.nl> X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands Subject: Re: MAX Filesystem size To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:38:49 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, stacy@server-001.ey.ca, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199606112047.PAA16634@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from "Joe Greco" at Jun 11, 96 03:47:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Joe Greco wrote... > This suggests that you could create a 128GB array out of conventional 4GB > disks, or a 736GB array out of the new Elite 23GB drives.. Hmm, supposedly we'll get 8-9 Gb 3.5" drives at work. That would give me a 14*(8 or 9) Gb max 'disk' on our raid arrays. I sure plan to test a pre-2.2 to see what happens ;-) I'm afraid we won't get 14 23Gb disks (a few maybe, but not 14) :) Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 14:44:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA07051 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:44:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from peedub.gj.org (newpc.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07041 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peedub.gj.org (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA07254; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:37:53 GMT Message-Id: <199606122337.XAA07254@peedub.gj.org> X-Authentication-Warning: peedub.gj.org: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: Michael Smith Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Stupid driver question... Reply-To: Gary Jennejohn In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:54:58 +0930." <199606120224.LAA14856@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:37:53 +0000 From: Gary Jennejohn Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith writes: > >I'm sure I've seen this asked before, but I can't find or recall the answer. > >How can a driver tell whether it's being built in a 2.1 or 2.2 kernel? > >(More specifically, I have a driver I'd like to keep as a single file that > needs to be built into 2.1R and -current kernels) > the way I handled this in the new ISDN code (which compiles under 2.1R, -stable, -current and NetBSD) was to include and then use `#if BSD > 199306' for code which was restricted to -current. Of course, this won't work for stuff which was brought into -stable from -current but isn't in 2.1R. Luckily, there isn't any code in the ISDN stuff for which this is true. --- Gary Jennejohn Home - Gary.Jennejohn@munich.netsurf.de Work - gjennejohn@frt.dec.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 15:20:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA08836 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08831 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chuck@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA11910; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:20:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:20:03 -0400 From: Charles Green Message-Id: <199606122220.SAA11910@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> In-Reply-To: Terry Lambert "Re: T-shirts for donations ;)...Maybe?????" (Jun 12, 13:37) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: T-shirts for donations ;)...Maybe????? Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert stands accused of saying: } Date: Jun 12, 13:37 } Subject: Re: T-shirts for donations ;)...Maybe????? } } Actually, thinking more on this, I'd like to see a SunSoft-like } key-based commercial software distribution CDROM. Install the } demo version, call up with a credit card to get a key to turn } it intothe real thing. I've played with a bunch of these for } SPARC SunOS and Solaris. Iggdrasil does this with their Linux distribution. } } } Terry Lambert } terry@lambert.org } --- } Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present } or previous employers. }-- End of excerpt from Terry Lambert -- Charles Green, PRC Inc. UN*X System Administration 22 Powell Ave. Apt. B UN*X Security & Whitesboro, NY 13492 Programming From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 15:28:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA09458 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.34.47]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA09451 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (localhost.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA21366; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:27:42 -0700 From: Josh MacDonald Message-Id: <199606122227.PAA21366@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU> To: "John S. Dyson" cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: strange mmap programming bug In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:35:23 CDT." <199606121435.JAA01198@dyson.iquest.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:27:41 -0700 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > I'm having this problem. I don't know if its only on FreeBSD or not, > > as I have only experienced it on FreeBSD and its hard to reproduce. > > > > Occasionally, when a program of mine exits abnormally, it seems that > > small files which were opened O_RDONLY and then mmaped are being > > modified. I am mmaping the entire file. I have only noticed this > > for files smaller than PAGESIZE. The file's length is changed to > > be exactly 4096 bytes with zero's padding the original data. > > > More questions: > What filesystems were you using? > How much paging was going on? > Were you ever doing ANY read/write style I/O > to that file? (even in another process.) > > Tell me all you can... There has been a problem > (that hasn'nt been seen in -current) with mmap. > If you can run -current, try that also. > > Thanks... > John Sorry for not providing enough information. This is on a UFS filesystem, SCSI, 1G Seagate 1080N. The machine is FreeBSD deceit.xcf.berkeley.edu 2.2-960323-SNAP FreeBSD 2.2-960323-SNAP #0: Mon May 6 19:57:34 PDT 1996 root@:/home3/2.2-960323-SNAP-src/sys/compile/DECEIT i386 The machine has one other local filesystem mounted which is also a SCSI disk. I don't know how much paging was going on, I have 32 megs of ram and the machine was not too loaded. The process may have been paging due to it basically mmaps each of a (possibly long--100 in this case) list of files to compute checksum and then replace RCS-style keywords. Thinking about it further, I guess the file may have been the last one open before forking an RCS CI command on the file. I don't know how RCS opens files. I will try to reproduce this again. -josh From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 15:36:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA10074 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gandalf.me.ksu.edu (joed@gandalf.me.ksu.edu [129.130.41.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10066 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from joed@localhost) by gandalf.me.ksu.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA26260; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:35:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe Diehl Message-Id: <199606122235.RAA26260@gandalf.me.ksu.edu> Subject: Re: Motif and FreeBSD To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:35:57 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606120929.LAA04594@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph P. Kukulies" at Jun 12, 96 11:28:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Christoph P. Kukulies wrote: > > > Btw- The existing version of flex in 2.1.0-RELEASE (v 2.4.7 I believe) is > > not high enough to compile Motif, instead I needed to fetch and install > > v2.5.3... Anyway to get this updated in future release of FreeBSD? > > flex is also in ports/devel/flex and you might get it to your > machine this way. Though the version there is v2.5.2 you might > try to bump the version number in the Makefile, pull from the > master site and build (after removing files/md5 since the checksum > wouldn't fit anymore). > Oh don't get me wrong, flex-2.5.3 compiled right out of the box... Longest part of the install was ftping the source... Just wondering about have FreeBSD come with the new version instead of the older 2.4.7 package. Either way is irrelevent to me... I can install the package easy enough. 8-) --- Joe Diehl Network and Systems Administrator KSU College of Engineering From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 16:06:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA13077 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA13068 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA11250 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:06:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199606122306.QAA11250@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: cthreads ->pthreads Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:06:35 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone has a wrapper to allow programs using cthreads to use pthreads? Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 16:08:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA13163 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.demon.net (office.demon.net [193.195.224.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA13148 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ai214.du.pipex.com by office.demon.net id aa11749; 13 Jun 96 0:01 +0100 Received: (from fhackers@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.12) id TAA08850; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:59:19 GMT Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:59:19 GMT Message-Id: <199606121959.TAA08850@jraynard.demon.co.uk> From: James Raynard To: jkh@time.cdrom.com CC: taob@io.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <1159.834590360@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: Any remaining installation wish-list items out there? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Changing the subject slightly, did anyone ever get around to sorting > > out a utility for adding an extra disk to an installed system? > > Hmmmm. Well, if you can manage to access a copy of sysinstall that's > fairly recent, let me know if: > > sysinstall diskPartitionEditor > > and > > sysinstall diskLabelEditor Blimey! I never knew it could do that. (That's the second time today! Not secretly writing a replacement for Emacs, are you? 8-) > Seem to meet your criteria. If you're feeling very bold, you can try: > > sysinstall diskPartitionEditor diskLabelEditor diskLabelCommit > > and combine the operations into a short tour. I put in a -fake (I'm bold, but not quite that bold, at least not without a spare disk!) and got "You must partition the disk(s) before this option can be used." at the commit stage. (It's already partitioned, BTW and I entered all the mount points in the label editor). I also got an error message when it tried and failed to mount a CDROM I had in the drive... > If you think this approach has potential (and avoiding brutal and > risky surgery is always generally a good thing :-) then let me know > how/if you'd see it improved upon. Hmm. I took out the "what kind of MBR do you want" dialogue as presumably they've already got one on their first disk. And I didn't get the failed CD mount as I stripped out all the CD and networking code... Apart from that, though, I can't claim that what I've got is any better. And the point about surgery is well taken - the patient is still looking rather green about the gills! 8-) -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland james@jraynard.demon.co.uk jraynard@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 16:28:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA13848 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA13843 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA04318 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:28:45 -0700 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ao08091; 12 Jun 96 23:24 GMT Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa07939; 12 Jun 96 23:49 +0100 Received: (from fhackers@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.12) id TAA08850; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:59:19 GMT Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:59:19 GMT Message-Id: <199606121959.TAA08850@jraynard.demon.co.uk> From: James Raynard To: jkh@time.cdrom.com CC: taob@io.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <1159.834590360@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: Any remaining installation wish-list items out there? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Changing the subject slightly, did anyone ever get around to sorting > > out a utility for adding an extra disk to an installed system? > > Hmmmm. Well, if you can manage to access a copy of sysinstall that's > fairly recent, let me know if: > > sysinstall diskPartitionEditor > > and > > sysinstall diskLabelEditor Blimey! I never knew it could do that. (That's the second time today! Not secretly writing a replacement for Emacs, are you? 8-) > Seem to meet your criteria. If you're feeling very bold, you can try: > > sysinstall diskPartitionEditor diskLabelEditor diskLabelCommit > > and combine the operations into a short tour. I put in a -fake (I'm bold, but not quite that bold, at least not without a spare disk!) and got "You must partition the disk(s) before this option can be used." at the commit stage. (It's already partitioned, BTW and I entered all the mount points in the label editor). I also got an error message when it tried and failed to mount a CDROM I had in the drive... > If you think this approach has potential (and avoiding brutal and > risky surgery is always generally a good thing :-) then let me know > how/if you'd see it improved upon. Hmm. I took out the "what kind of MBR do you want" dialogue as presumably they've already got one on their first disk. And I didn't get the failed CD mount as I stripped out all the CD and networking code... Apart from that, though, I can't claim that what I've got is any better. And the point about surgery is well taken - the patient is still looking rather green about the gills! 8-) -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland james@jraynard.demon.co.uk jraynard@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 16:34:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA14220 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wdl1.wdl.loral.com (wdl1.wdl.loral.com [137.249.32.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14210 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hps.sso.loral.com (hps.wdl.loral.com) by wdl1.wdl.loral.com (5.x/WDL-2.4-1.0) id AA06182; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:34:01 -0700 Received: by hps.sso.loral.com (4.1/SSO-SUN-2.04) id AA01538; Wed, 12 Jun 96 19:20:57 EDT Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:20:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Toren X-Sender: rpt@hps To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cthreads ->pthreads In-Reply-To: <199606122306.QAA11250@rah.star-gate.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I don't know if you can call it a wrapper, but the X11R6 distribution has a threads include file the the threaded server used to make a virtual layer above both of these ( I seem to remember). You can probably use that as a guide for mapping an equivelance. It may not be pre-build but it is a place to start....shrug... ==================================================== Rip Toren | The bad news is that C++ is not an object-oriented | rpt@miles.sso.loral.com | programming language. .... The good news is that | | C++ supports object-oriented programming. | | C++ Programming & Fundamental Concepts | | by Anderson & Heinze | ==================================================== On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Amancio Hasty Jr. wrote: > > Anyone has a wrapper to allow programs using cthreads to use pthreads? > > Tnks, > Amancio > > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 16:36:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA14313 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kachina.jetcafe.org (kachina.jetcafe.org [206.117.70.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14305 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([127.0.0.1]) by kachina.jetcafe.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09383 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606122336.QAA09383@kachina.jetcafe.org> X-Authentication-Warning: kachina.jetcafe.org: Host [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Shared Memory and SHMMAXPGS Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:36:06 -0700 From: Dave Hayes Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Found in /usr/src/sysi386/include/vmparam.h: #define SHMMAXPGS 1024 /* XXX until we have more kmap space */ What does this mean? If I increase this size, what will break? ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet I have learned silence from the talkative, toleration from the intolerant, and kindness from the unkind; yet strange, I am ungrateful to those teachers. -- Kahlil Gibran From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 17:16:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA16748 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.aros.net (root@shell.aros.net [205.164.111.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16737 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from angio@localhost) by shell.aros.net (8.7.5/Unknown) id SAA24446; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:16:11 -0600 (MDT) From: Dave Andersen Message-Id: <199606130016.SAA24446@shell.aros.net> Subject: Re: Shared Memory and SHMMAXPGS To: dave@kachina.jetcafe.org (Dave Hayes) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:16:11 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606122336.QAA09383@kachina.jetcafe.org> from Dave Hayes at "Jun 12, 96 04:36:06 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL13 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is the maximum number of shared pages that the kernel will allow to be allocated for the sysv shared memory. Increasing it won't hurt, it'll just increase your memory requirements a bit. -Dave Andersen Lo and behold, Dave Hayes once said: > Found in /usr/src/sysi386/include/vmparam.h: > #define SHMMAXPGS 1024 /* XXX until we have more kmap space */ > > What does this mean? If I increase this size, what will break? > ------ > Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org > Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet > > I have learned silence from the talkative, toleration from the intolerant, > and kindness from the unkind; yet strange, I am ungrateful to those > teachers. -- Kahlil Gibran > -- angio@aros.net Complete virtual hosting and business-oriented system administration Internet services. (WWW, FTP, email) http://www.aros.net/ http://www.aros.net/about/virtual "There are only two industries that refer to their customers as 'users'." From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 17:33:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA17724 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA17719 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA11798; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:31:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199606130031.RAA11798@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Richard Toren cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cthreads ->pthreads In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:20:56 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:31:19 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am going to do my own mapping 8) Just started and it is probably not going to take that much well at least for what I need for my project at work . When I am done I will ask permission from my client to see if I can distribute the cthreads->pthreads mapping. Right now , I am using pthreads-1_60_beta4_1 on 2.1-stable. I tried to compile the latest pthreads however it seems that is a bit confused with structs related to time structs. Can't wait till we get SMP support with threads 8) Tnks! Amancio >From The Desk Of Richard Toren : > I don't know if you can call it a wrapper, but the X11R6 distribution > has a threads include file the the threaded server used to make > a virtual layer above both of these ( I seem to remember). > You can probably use that as a guide for mapping an equivelance. > It may not be pre-build but it is a place to start....shrug... > > ==================================================== > Rip Toren | The bad news is that C++ is not an object-oriented | > rpt@miles.sso.loral.com | programming language. .... The good news is that | > | C++ supports object-oriented programming. | > | C++ Programming & Fundamental Concepts | > | by Anderson & Heinze | > ==================================================== > On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Amancio Hasty Jr. wrote: > > > > > Anyone has a wrapper to allow programs using cthreads to use pthreads? > > > > Tnks, > > Amancio > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 18:26:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA20132 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20126 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA21945; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:22:27 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199606130152.LAA21945@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: T-shirts for donations ;)...Maybe????? To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:22:27 +0930 (CST) Cc: green@fang.cs.sunyit.edu, terry@lambert.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606122037.NAA06718@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Jun 12, 96 01:37:34 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert stands accused of saying: > > Actually, thinking more on this, I'd like to see a SunSoft-like > key-based commercial software distribution CDROM. Install the > demo version, call up with a credit card to get a key to turn > it intothe real thing. I've played with a bunch of these for > SPARC SunOS and Solaris. I (and probably anyone else not in the continental US) would _NOT_ like this. Can you guess why? Now a PGP-based mailback system that kept records so that if your system and the key got hosed you could re-request the key _without_being_billed_ would have some merit. Maybe. > Terry Lambert -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 18:52:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA21101 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gordius.gordian.com (gordius.gordian.com [192.73.220.81]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA21084; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from delphi.gordian.com (delphi.gordian.com [192.73.220.125]) by gordius.gordian.com (8.7.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA11568; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by delphi.gordian.com (8.7.2/8.6.9) id SAA15400; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606130152.SAA15400@delphi.gordian.com> From: Steve Khoo To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: "Dmitri Beloslioudtsev"'s message of Wed, 12 Jun 1996 05:07:41 +0400 (MSD) Subject: Re: 2.2-960501-SNAP and Digital DC21041 Ethernet - some errors. References: Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Dmitri" == "Dmitri Beloslioudtsev" writes: Dmitri> Hello! Dmitri> I have a problem using Digital DC21041 Ethernet PCI card Dmitri> with 2.2-960501-SNAP. Seems to me that the driver can't Dmitri> correctly determine the type of ethernet media (I have Dmitri> BNC). But if I boot linux or boot DOS and run card's Dmitri> diagnostic program, then after reboot FreeBSD works Dmitri> correctly and flawlessly. Like linux or diagnostic Dmitri> program "cure" the card and after that FreeBSD works OK. Dmitri> If I try to boot FreeBSD immediately after power on, it Dmitri> hangs almost at end of kernel boot process immediately Dmitri> before running init. If I change the cards in the slots I Dmitri> was able to boot FreeBSD, but in that case the network Dmitri> card is not working and commands like 'arp -a' hangs (but Dmitri> can be terminated). I got a similar problem in 2.2-960501-SNAP. The SMC Etherpower 10/100 cards in my P6 keep coming up in 100BaseT while it's only connected to 10BaseT network. It's happening more than 50% during reboot. It's getting worse now since we have two of those cards in the system now. Is there a way to force it to do 10BaseT instead? SEK From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 19:20:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA22578 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA22552; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id TAA05098; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA00298; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606130216.TAA00298@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Steve Khoo cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 2.2-960501-SNAP and Digital DC21041 Ethernet - some errors. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:52:22 PDT." <199606130152.SAA15400@delphi.gordian.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:16:39 -0700 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I got a similar problem in 2.2-960501-SNAP. The SMC Etherpower 10/100 >cards in my P6 keep coming up in 100BaseT while it's only connected to >10BaseT network. It's happening more than 50% during reboot. It's >getting worse now since we have two of those cards in the system now. >Is there a way to force it to do 10BaseT instead? Yes, use the link2 flag to ifconfig. I think "link2" forces 100Mbps and "-link2" forces 10Mbps. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 19:38:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25819 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA25812 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (smurf@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA12634 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:38:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199606130238.TAA12634@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Nexgen chip and freebsd support Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:38:36 -0700 From: Scott MacFiggen Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just got though discussing this on the freebsd-questions list and it seems Freebsd does not have any support for the Nexgen nX586 chip. My question, it is possible to get someone clued to hack in support for the Nexgen chip? I was looking at the Linux patch for nexgen chip supprt and it does not seem all that complicated. FreeBSD works fine on the chip when configured for a 386 but from looking at the linux patch, it implies that this causes a performance hit because some of the chips features are not being taken advantage of. Next question, is the above true? Is the chip being underutilzed having the kernel being configured for a 386? I am currently working as a contracter at Nexgen as a sysadmin so I might be able to get support from the inside if someone is interested in working on this. -Scott From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 19:42:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA26431 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26398; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id TAA05229; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA23149; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:39:31 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199606130239.TAA23149@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 2.2-960501-SNAP and Digital DC21041 Ethernet - some errors. To: steve@gordian.com (Steve Khoo) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199606130152.SAA15400@delphi.gordian.com> from Steve Khoo at "Jun 12, 96 06:52:22 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >>>>> "Dmitri" == "Dmitri Beloslioudtsev" writes: > > Dmitri> Hello! > > Dmitri> I have a problem using Digital DC21041 Ethernet PCI card > Dmitri> with 2.2-960501-SNAP. Seems to me that the driver can't > Dmitri> correctly determine the type of ethernet media (I have > Dmitri> BNC). But if I boot linux or boot DOS and run card's > Dmitri> diagnostic program, then after reboot FreeBSD works > Dmitri> correctly and flawlessly. Like linux or diagnostic > Dmitri> program "cure" the card and after that FreeBSD works OK. > Dmitri> If I try to boot FreeBSD immediately after power on, it > Dmitri> hangs almost at end of kernel boot process immediately > Dmitri> before running init. If I change the cards in the slots I > Dmitri> was able to boot FreeBSD, but in that case the network > Dmitri> card is not working and commands like 'arp -a' hangs (but > Dmitri> can be terminated). > > I got a similar problem in 2.2-960501-SNAP. The SMC Etherpower 10/100 > cards in my P6 keep coming up in 100BaseT while it's only connected to > 10BaseT network. It's happening more than 50% during reboot. It's > getting worse now since we have two of those cards in the system now. > Is there a way to force it to do 10BaseT instead? Yes, add -link2 to the ifconfig string in /etc/sysconfig, that should force it back to 10BaseT. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 19:55:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA28730 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA28720 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA25817; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:53:16 -0700 (PDT) To: Terry Lambert cc: green@fang.cs.sunyit.edu (Charles Green), hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: T-shirts for donations ;)...Maybe????? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:37:34 PDT." <199606122037.NAA06718@phaeton.artisoft.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:53:15 -0700 Message-ID: <25814.834634395@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Actually, thinking more on this, I'd like to see a SunSoft-like > key-based commercial software distribution CDROM. Install the [Jordan shudders violently] From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 20:10:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA00469 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gordius.gordian.com (gordius.gordian.com [192.73.220.81]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00462; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from delphi.gordian.com (delphi.gordian.com [192.73.220.125]) by gordius.gordian.com (8.7.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA14825; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by delphi.gordian.com (8.7.2/8.6.9) id UAA16639; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606130309.UAA16639@delphi.gordian.com> From: Steve Khoo To: davidg@Root.COM CC: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: David Greenman's message of Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:16:39 -0700 Subject: Re: 2.2-960501-SNAP and Digital DC21041 Ethernet - some errors. References: <199606130152.SAA15400@delphi.gordian.com> <199606130216.TAA00298@Root.COM> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "David" == David Greenman writes: >> I got a similar problem in 2.2-960501-SNAP. The SMC Etherpower 10/100 >> cards in my P6 keep coming up in 100BaseT while it's only connected to >> 10BaseT network. It's happening more than 50% during reboot. It's >> getting worse now since we have two of those cards in the system now. >> Is there a way to force it to do 10BaseT instead? David> Yes, use the link2 flag to ifconfig. I think "link2" David> forces 100Mbps and David> "-link2" forces 10Mbps. Thanks! It works. '-link2' forces 10Mbps. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 20:46:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA04763 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aeffle.Stanford.EDU (sequence.Stanford.EDU [171.65.76.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA04756 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by aeffle.Stanford.EDU; id AA26577; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:46:36 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:46:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Howard Lew To: Scott MacFiggen Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Nexgen chip and freebsd support In-Reply-To: <199606130238.TAA12634@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Scott MacFiggen wrote: > > I just got though discussing this on the freebsd-questions list and > it seems Freebsd does not have any support for the Nexgen nX586 > chip. > I guess you mean no specific NexGen support... The NexGen Nx586 PF series do work with kernel.GENERIC > My question, it is possible to get someone clued to hack in support > for the Nexgen chip? > > I was looking at the Linux patch for nexgen > chip supprt and it does not seem all that complicated. FreeBSD > works fine on the chip when configured for a 386 but from > looking at the linux patch, it implies that this causes > a performance hit because some of the chips features are not > being taken advantage of. > > Next question, is the above true? Is the chip being underutilzed > having the kernel being configured for a 386? > > I am currently working as a contracter at Nexgen as a sysadmin so > I might be able to get support from the inside if someone is interested > in working on this. > > -Scott > > ---- || Shoppers Network BEST PRICES, FULLY x86 COMPATIBLE & FAST!!! || PO BOX 16627 Cyrix 686s now available! || San Francisco, CA 94116 Email - info@shoppersnet.com | ------------------------------> WWW - http://www2.shoppersnet.com -------------------------------> WWW - http://www.shoppersnet.com/shopping From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 22:04:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA14300 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tombstone.sunrem.com (tombstone.sunrem.com [206.81.134.54]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA14293 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from brandon@localhost) by tombstone.sunrem.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA11405; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:04:11 -0600 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:04:10 -0600 (MDT) From: Brandon Gillespie To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Compiling 'UPS' in FreeBSD.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ok, I've grabbed the latest ups source and attempted to compile it. I have managed to get it to the point of linking, at which point it bombs when trying to link to certain functions (which it 'in theory' defines). As I've reached whits end this evening I'm wondering if anybody else has attempted to compile it (successfully or no). There was a few problems of searched directories (fixed in the Makefile), a problem where a #define somewhere outside of the ups code of 'DT_UNKNOWN' was conflicing with an enum, and another problem where it did a simple test for BSD and then attempted to #include . Thanks for any help rendered.. -Brandon Gillespie (he who is tired of not having a nice debugger)- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 22:18:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA16091 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:18:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16084 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA10759; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606130517.WAA10759@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Scott MacFiggen cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nexgen chip and freebsd support In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 12 Jun 96 19:38:36 -0700. <199606130238.TAA12634@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:17:40 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I just got though discussing this on the freebsd-questions list and >it seems Freebsd does not have any support for the Nexgen nX586 >chip. I would be surprised and disappointed if it didn't Just Work without special support. What exactly does this chip need that other chips don't? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 12 22:38:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA19036 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from explorer.netserv.chula.ac.th (explorer.netserv.chula.ac.th [161.200.192.200]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA18976; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlantis.chula.edu (atlantis.chula.edu [161.200.224.6]) by explorer.netserv.chula.ac.th (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id MAA08550; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:46:42 GMT Received: from localhost by atlantis.chula.edu (8.7.5) id KAA00309; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:47:25 +0700 (GMT+0700) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:47:25 +0700 (GMT+0700) From: CYBERBOY To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Darren Davis , hackers@FreeBSD.org, postmaster@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! In-Reply-To: <20907.834445971@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear everybody I would like my e-mail account to be removed from "hackers@FreedBSD.org" what should I do,please ? (I have a BIG junk mails in my mail box too,and it made me sick reading all heading of 'em to seperate them from other mails sent from my friends) I won't use xmail or sth. like it,just want to be removed from this mailing list.Anyway,a newsgroup idea sounds good,I agreed. :-) Ravis. ===================================================================== CyBeRbOy ----> Mr.RaViS TaSaKoRn. "Politics are for the moment,equation is for eternity" ALBERT EINSTEIN e-mail: gc727305@netserv.chula.ac.th g37rtk@chulkn.car.chula.ac.th URL: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/5393/ ===================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 00:02:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA25177 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 00:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA24857 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.7.5/8.6.5) id MAA28686; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:50:14 +0600 (GMT+0600) From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199606130650.MAA28686@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Re: DigiBoard To: tam@cd.iidpwr.com (Tony Tam) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:50:14 +0600 (ESD) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Tony Tam" at Jun 12, 96 09:51:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > dgb0: BIOS download failed > > > dgb0: Error#(0x0,0x0) code=0x0 > > > > Does your machine have over 15M of memory ? If so, you need to map > > your Digiboard to some address in the ISA address hole (between > > 640K and 1M). > > > > -SB > Serge, > > Thank you for sharing your knowledge with me. > > Yes, my machine has more than 15M of RAM. It has 32M byte of RAM. > > I have tried what you recommend. I compiled my kernel with the following option now: > > device dgb0 at isa? port 0x320 iomem 0xf0000 iosiz ? tty > > But I am still having problems. Following is the error messsage > I am having: > > > dgb0: port 0x320 mem 0xf0000 Perhaps, BIOS resides at this address. Try addressed in range 0xC0000-0xEFFFF. You can just try every address in this range with 8K step but better read the description of your machine, look in setup and find 8K of free space in this range. > Management is eager to make the DigiBoard working with FreeBSD. > Now, they provide me time and material. So it is the best opportunity > to get the DigiBoard works. BTW, do you have the latest version with patches from Oleg Panaschenko ? If not I can send it to you, it has some serious bugs fixed. -SB From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 01:46:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA05365 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 01:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.siemens.at (proxy.siemens.at [192.138.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA05210 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 01:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol1.gud.siemens.co.at (sol-f.gud.siemens-austria) by proxy.siemens.at with SMTP id AA20340 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:34:59 +0200 Received: from ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at by sol1.gud.siemens.co.at with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7 for ) id m0uU7rm-00020DC; Thu, 13 Jun 96 10:34 MET DST Received: by ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at (1.37.109.16/1.37) id AA249134877; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:34:37 +0200 From: "Hr.Ladavac" Message-Id: <199606130834.AA249134877@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at> Subject: Re: bit 7 in filenames To: khetan@iafrica.com (Khetan Gajjar) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:34:37 +0200 (MESZ) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Khetan Gajjar" at Jun 11, 96 00:15:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In his e-mail Khetan Gajjar wrote: > >These patches should be out in a few weeks and will address the > >problem of corrupting BSD partitions. > > What about dos partitions ? ;-) Shame is on you for keeping your important stuff in a dos partition. :):) /Marino > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 01:55:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA06420 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 01:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA06408 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 01:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA28084 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 01:55:05 -0700 (PDT) To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Anyone else noticed.. Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 01:55:04 -0700 Message-ID: <28078.834656104@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk That Intel is dumping their 200Mhz P6 aurora motherboards *with* CPU on the market for a street price of $1300 or less? This can't help but have interesting effects on the <$5000K server market. I'm logged into a machine based around one of these right now and it's one darn fine little compile/compute server, I can tell you that. Satoshi's building packages on it for 2.1.5R at a mile a minute right now.. With 64MB of memory and an AHC2940UW controller / XP32150W 2GB drive combo (plus the usual misc serial/net/vga bits), this machine apparently set its owner back somewhere in the neighborhood of $3600. Just food for thought. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 03:59:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA12248 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 03:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA12243 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 03:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA20613; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 03:59:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199606131059.DAA20613@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone else noticed.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jun 1996 01:55:04 PDT." <28078.834656104@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 03:59:12 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of "Jordan K. Hubbard" : > That Intel is dumping their 200Mhz P6 aurora motherboards *with* CPU > on the market for a street price of $1300 or less? This can't help > but have interesting effects on the <$5000K server market. > > I'm logged into a machine based around one of these right now and it's > one darn fine little compile/compute server, I can tell you that. > Satoshi's building packages on it for 2.1.5R at a mile a minute > right now.. When you guys get a chance , can you time a kernel compile with a "-pipe" option? Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 05:39:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA18399 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 05:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA18388 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 05:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA06175; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 05:38:44 -0700 (PDT) To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone else noticed.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jun 1996 03:59:12 PDT." <199606131059.DAA20613@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 05:38:44 -0700 Message-ID: <6173.834669524@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > When you guys get a chance , can you time a kernel compile with a "-pipe" > option? I assume you mean a GENERIC kernel? Using 2.1-stable as the source tree and clean compile & libkern directories, I get the following time for it: loading kernel rearranging symbols text data bss dec hex 970752 65536 78812 1115100 1103dc 211.56 real 173.32 user 27.29 sys 3696 maximum resident set size 1005 average shared memory size 1076 average unshared data size 165 average unshared stack size 281094 page reclaims 12 page faults 0 swaps 1381 block input operations 698 block output operations 4032 messages sent 8554 messages received 0 signals received 13247 voluntary context switches 12986 involuntary context switches Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 06:02:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA20172 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA20165 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA23446; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:02:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199606131302.GAA23446@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone else noticed.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jun 1996 05:38:44 PDT." <6173.834669524@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:02:03 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Interesting your system is about twice as fast as mine. I wonder if you are having problems with the PCI bus... At any rate, here are my stats: P100 Asus Motherboard 32MB adaptec 2940 SEAGATE ST32430N 2.1 gig Later on the week , I am going to switch to an adaptec 2940 UW and a Seagate Barrucuda 4.1 GIG (7200 rpm) Just waiting for my fast wide external scsi case which shall be in today. My build was done running X. I did a make clean then: time -l make 909312 77824 103056 1090192 10a290 474.89 real 405.94 user 38.91 sys 3588 maximum resident set size 1041 average shared memory size 1124 average unshared data size 164 average unshared stack size 235919 page reclaims 78 page faults 0 swaps 1663 block input operations 609 block output operations 3920 messages sent 8624 messages received 0 signals received Tnks, Amancio >From The Desk Of "Jordan K. Hubbard" : > > When you guys get a chance , can you time a kernel compile with a "-pipe" > > option? > > I assume you mean a GENERIC kernel? Using 2.1-stable as the source > tree and clean compile & libkern directories, I get the following time > for it: > > loading kernel > rearranging symbols > text data bss dec hex > 970752 65536 78812 1115100 1103dc > 211.56 real 173.32 user 27.29 sys > 3696 maximum resident set size > 1005 average shared memory size > 1076 average unshared data size > 165 average unshared stack size > 281094 page reclaims > 12 page faults > 0 swaps > 1381 block input operations > 698 block output operations > 4032 messages sent > 8554 messages received > 0 signals received > 13247 voluntary context switches > 12986 involuntary context switches > > Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 06:08:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA20877 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rich.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu (root@RICH.ISDN.BCM.TMC.EDU [128.249.250.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA20868 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from richc.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu (root@richc.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu [128.249.250.37]) by rich.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA03315; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:08:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: (rich@localhost) by richc.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) id IAA04317; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:07:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:07:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199606131307.IAA04317@richc.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu> From: Rich Murphey To: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl CC: Gary.Jennejohn@munich.netsurf.de, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, gruner@leo.org, br@stiller.netland.inka.de, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, fcb@gwynedd.freenix.fr, guido@freebsd.org, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, micheel@fokus.gmd.de, dutchman@spase.nl, lars@elbe.desy.de, babafou@ensta.fr, root@totum.plaut.de, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, regnauld@hsc.fr, pb@fasterix.freenix.fr, jesse@csmd.cs.Uni-Magdeburg.DE, lmcsato@lmc.ericsson.se, se@ZPR.Uni-Koeln.DE, thomas@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de, wosch@freebsd.org, piero@strider.free.it, jhs@freebsd.org, khe@muc.ditec.de In-reply-to: <199606121726.TAA16720@gvr.win.tue.nl> (guido@gvr.win.tue.nl) Subject: Re: the books are here ! Reply-to: rich@rich.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk |From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) |Gary Jennejohn wrote: |> books shipped to me. It was NOT cheap ! My 10 books cost 131 USD to |> ship. Add on the re-shipping cost and it may have been cheaper to |> have Readme.Doc ship the books directly to each person who ordered. |> I can't say. | |I just got my credit card bill of this month. The guys at readme.doc |took $95.76 for 2 books. That is $27 for shipping. I thnk that is |rediculous. I am thinking about ghaving my credit card company undoing |the transaction. I think we shouldnt do business with these guys anymore. | |Any other advise of your side maybe? I needed a copy quickly, so I had them send me one via UPS 2 day for $33.95 + $9.50 shipping and it arrived right on schedule. The $9.50 was the actual UPS charge for the shipping and they shipped the book the day I called, so they did an excellent job for me. Perhaps the overseas shipping service is very expensive and is to blame? Rich From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 06:29:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA22565 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA22558 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA07580; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:28:24 -0700 (PDT) To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone else noticed.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:02:03 PDT." <199606131302.GAA23446@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:28:24 -0700 Message-ID: <7578.834672504@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Interesting your system is about twice as fast as mine. I wonder if > you are having problems with the PCI bus... At any rate, here are my stats: Well, the boards currently shipping apparently claim the "new Intel 450KX B0 Orion Chipset", but who knows what that means. I've heard that there are additional problems out beyond B0, but David would know better than I. > 474.89 real 405.94 user 38.91 sys Yeah, that's about average for a high-end P5. With my P5/133 I get "435.64 real 380.14 user 24.26 sys", which is about what you'd expect. You need a P6 to drop below the 3 minute barrier though. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 06:38:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA23360 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from doberman.cisco.com (doberman.cisco.com [171.69.1.178]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA23353 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (amcrae@localhost) by doberman.cisco.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA21556; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:37:33 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:37:33 -0700 From: Andrew McRae Message-Id: <199606131337.GAA21556@doberman.cisco.com> To: "Nate Williams" Subject: Re: gated & pccard don't get along Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk nate@trout.sri.MT.net (Nate Williams): > [ Emailed to posted as well ] > In article , Nick Sayer wrote: >>Perhaps it is too much to expect gated to deal with an interface >>suddenly appearing where it previously didn't exist. But if I >>boot my laptop without the Ethernet card in and then insert it, >>gated dumps core. Is there a fix for this? It's one of only two >>tiny problems left keeping this implementation from being perfect >>(the other being mss0's tendency to squeal when used). >> > > You could *hack* around the problem by making sure the card is always > attached at boot-time even if it's not found, so gatewd wouldn't hae a > new interface to deal with. The philosophy of pccard is that *any* card can be inserted at any time; it would be hard to ensure all the resources of all the possible cards are pre-allocated just in case. > > Or, you could work-qaround the problem and only startup gated when you > insert the pc-card. To be honest, I'm planning on doing more work on > getting better hooks setup for running/stopping things when the ethernet > cards are inserted/removed (setting up default routers, IPFW stuff, etc..). Having thought long and hard about this, I have come to the conclusion that having hot-swappable resources and interfaces is a great idea in theory, but the kernel (and parts of the user-land and daemons) generally assumes that devices are not going to appear and disappear at random intervals. It is pretty scary to think of the changes required to really make the system understand this concept fully. The net code is a good example; whilst the insert/remove scripts can already do some of these things (like add default routes etc.), we are really working with a bit of glue around the edges, and not tackling some of the core problems. One issue is the way various bits get informed about changes [e.g a card being pulled]. The need is for programs to be started or stopped, signals sent, kernel tables to be modified, daemons to be informed [e.g gated] etc. Berny Goodheart and I were talking about this, and his suggestion is to implement a registry scheme, I imagine with a graph of dependancies and some IPC etc. Tandem (Berny's employer) uses such a scheme to implement hot swap in their high availability architecture. Having worked on such a scheme myself, I appreciate the complexity. Unfortunately, you can't implement just a *little* bit of the scheme. If you do *any* form of hot swap, you have to go the whole hog. Cisco also support hot-swap, and even when it's designed in from day one, it is still a significant effort to make it work. So I guess I am saying that the little bit of glue around the edges is a pretty good scheme for FreeBSD, unless some serious effort is undertaken. Thus I would consider pccard to not really offer hot swap, but more of a `user friendly hardware bus'. Having said that, I think the glue holds together as much as can be expected :-) I am tempted to say, "It's not pccard's fault, but all the rest of the system for not handling hot swap". That is a comforting, but specious argument. I *am* glad to see it is being put to good use. > Nate Cheers, Andrew McRae (amcrae@cisco.com) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 07:03:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA25112 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shogun.tdktca.com ([206.26.1.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA25094 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shogun.tdktca.com (daemon@localhost) by shogun.tdktca.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with ESMTP id JAA00466 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:04:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from orion.fa.tdktca.com ([163.49.131.130]) by shogun.tdktca.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id JAA00457 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:04:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from orion (alex@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.fa.tdktca.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA00997; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:05:16 -0500 Message-ID: <31C0201B.2B96D64E@fa.tdktca.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:05:15 -0500 From: Alex Nash Organization: TDK Factory Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; Linux 1.2.13 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: "Amancio Hasty Jr." , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone else noticed.. References: <7578.834672504@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Yeah, that's about average for a high-end P5. With my P5/133 I > get "435.64 real 380.14 user 24.26 sys", which > is about what you'd expect. > > You need a P6 to drop below the 3 minute barrier though. :-) Or a dual processor P5 running make -j :) Alex From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 07:20:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA26163 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA26151 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA08846; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:18:28 -0700 (PDT) To: Alex Nash cc: "Amancio Hasty Jr." , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone else noticed.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:05:15 CDT." <31C0201B.2B96D64E@fa.tdktca.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:18:28 -0700 Message-ID: <8844.834675508@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Or a dual processor P5 running make -j :) Your numbers please.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 07:24:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA26368 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shogun.tdktca.com ([206.26.1.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA26360; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shogun.tdktca.com (daemon@localhost) by shogun.tdktca.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with ESMTP id JAA00569; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:26:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from orion.fa.tdktca.com ([163.49.131.130]) by shogun.tdktca.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id JAA00560; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:26:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from orion (alex@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.fa.tdktca.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA01051; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:27:01 -0500 Message-ID: <31C02534.7E0645F5@fa.tdktca.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:27:00 -0500 From: Alex Nash Organization: TDK Factory Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; Linux 1.2.13 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: phk@freebsd.org, "Amancio Hasty Jr." , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone else noticed.. References: <8844.834675508@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Or a dual processor P5 running make -j :) > > Your numbers please.. :-) Poul? (Poul recently posted some impressive make -j times on the SMP list. Unfortunately, I didn't keep that message.) Alex From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 08:15:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA00343 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (call4.bsi.com.br [200.250.250.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA00328 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lenzi@localhost) by localhost (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA05193; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:02:50 GMT Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:02:49 +0000 () From: "Lenzi, Sergio" X-Sender: lenzi@localhost To: didier@omnix.fr.org cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: firewall (ipfw) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Jun 1996 didier@omnix.fr.org wrote: > > > The company I'm working for plan to install a permanent acces to internet > through an analogic leased line and two 32kb modems. > > to protect our application in plan to install the firewall builtin FreeBSD > > > I've never used ipfw and I dont have any experience with firewalls. > > > could you tell me how I could set up this machine > > > thanks for your help > OK, Didier. setup the firewall code by including the options IPFIREWALL.... this options is in lines 199-201 of the LINT sample file in the directory: /usr/src/sys/i386/conf. configure the kernel config -n ... go to the directory for compilation, remove ip*.o, do a make all install. after that. read the man pages for command ipfw. ex: ipfw addf deny all to any via ed0 -> deny all ip that is routed to your net via the ed0 network card. ipfw addf accept all to any 80 via ed0 -> accept only web trafic (port 80) to your network. and so on...... Try playing around with it... it is easy... by From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 08:21:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA00778 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rayearth.rim.or.jp (uucp@rayearth.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.242]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00768 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by rayearth.rim.or.jp (8.7.5/3.4W3-uucp1) with UUCP id AAA07082 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 00:20:34 +0900 (JST) Received: (from mit@localhost) by unya.rim.or.jp (8.6.12/3.3W704/05/95) id VAA26762 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:18:50 +0900 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:18:50 +0900 From: Kazuyoshi Michishita Message-Id: <199606131218.VAA26762@unya.rim.or.jp> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: subscribe Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk subscribe From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 09:23:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA03435 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:23:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03429 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gab.isi.edu by zephyr.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-23) id ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:23:34 -0700 Posted-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by gab.isi.edu (5.65c/4.0.3-6) id ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:23:33 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:23:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Subramaniam Vincent To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: gated.conf In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I need to setup the gated daemon for my freeBSD system. would appreciate if someone could point me to some info on the /etc/gated.conf file for routing protocol configs, & filters. vince From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 09:26:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA03684 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03679 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA01222; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:26:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199606131626.MAA01222@Glock.COM> Subject: pentium pro motherboards? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:26:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone have any pentium pro motherboard recommendations? I'm assuming there are some out now that do not exhibit the 4M/s memory bandwidth limitation... -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@goof.com http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 09:30:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA03916 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03911 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA19062; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:29:53 -0600 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:29:53 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199606131629.KAA19062@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Andrew McRae Cc: "Nate Williams" , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gated & pccard don't get along In-Reply-To: <199606131337.GAA21556@doberman.cisco.com> References: <199606131337.GAA21556@doberman.cisco.com> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ... > Having thought long and hard about this, I have come to the > conclusion that having hot-swappable resources and interfaces > is a great idea in theory, but the kernel (and parts of the user-land > and daemons) generally assumes that devices are not going to > appear and disappear at random intervals. It is pretty scary to > think of the changes required to really make the system understand > this concept fully. The net code is a good example; whilst the > insert/remove scripts can already do some of these things (like > add default routes etc.), we are really working with a bit > of glue around the edges, and not tackling some of the core > problems. Yet. :) This actually came up last night during one of the conversations Poul and I had after dinner. > One issue is the way various bits get informed about > changes [e.g a card being pulled]. The need is for programs > to be started or stopped, signals sent, kernel tables to be > modified, daemons to be informed [e.g gated] etc. I agree. The 'glue' in FreeBSD is pretty weak in this area. > Berny Goodheart and I were talking about this, and his > suggestion is to implement a registry scheme, I imagine with > a graph of dependancies and some IPC etc. Tandem (Berny's > employer) uses such a scheme to implement hot swap > in their high availability architecture. Having worked on such a scheme > myself, I appreciate the complexity. Unfortunately, you can't implement > just a *little* bit of the scheme. If you do *any* form of > hot swap, you have to go the whole hog. Cisco also support > hot-swap, and even when it's designed in from day one, it is > still a significant effort to make it work. While I agree in reality, in practice I think although we can't have 'the best' solution I think we can make the current glue a bit more useful, especially given the fact that we already pull in /etc/sysconfig which contains most of the 'customization' informtaion. > So I guess I am saying that the little bit of glue around > the edges is a pretty good scheme for FreeBSD, unless some > serious effort is undertaken. Thus I would consider pccard > to not really offer hot swap, but more of a `user friendly > hardware bus'. Having said that, I think the glue holds > together as much as can be expected :-) I hope we can make it stickier. :) Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 09:38:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA04192 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rk.ios.com (rk.ios.com [198.4.75.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04187 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rashid@localhost) by rk.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA02968; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:37:18 -0400 From: Rashid Karimov Message-Id: <199606131637.MAA02968@rk.ios.com> Subject: Re: gated.conf To: svincent@ISI.EDU (Subramaniam Vincent) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Subramaniam Vincent" at Jun 13, 96 09:23:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > I need to setup the gated daemon for my freeBSD system. would appreciate > if someone could point me to some info on the /etc/gated.conf file for > routing protocol configs, & filters. > Unless you have a copy of gated distribution - get it, there are lots of examples for different environments and protos mixes. Rashid From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 10:08:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA05301 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05235 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id PAA21433; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:00:28 +0100 (BST) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Anyone else noticed.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jun 1996 01:55:04 PDT." <28078.834656104@time.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:00:28 +0100 Message-ID: <21431.834674428@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote in message ID <28078.834656104@time.cdrom.com>: > That Intel is dumping their 200Mhz P6 aurora motherboards *with* CPU > on the market for a street price of $1300 or less? This can't help > but have interesting effects on the <$5000K server market. With suitable revisions of the Orion chipset (i.e. stepping `B' or later)? Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 11:32:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA10821 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10816; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA08712; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:29:37 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606131829.LAA08712@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Ahhhhhhhhhh! To: gc727305@netserv.chula.ac.th (CYBERBOY) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:29:36 -0700 (MST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, DARREND@novell.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org, postmaster@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "CYBERBOY" at Jun 12, 96 10:47:25 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I would like my e-mail account to be removed from "hackers@FreedBSD.org" > what should I do,please ? (I have a BIG junk mails in my mail box too,and > it made me sick reading all heading of 'em to seperate them from other > mails sent from my friends) > I won't use xmail or sth. like it,just want to be removed from this > mailing list.Anyway,a newsgroup idea sounds good,I agreed. :-) Did you save your subscription response? It probably looked like: ======================================================================== If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send the following command in email to "Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG": unsubscribe freebsd-hackers gc727305@netserv.chula.ac.th ======================================================================== Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 11:40:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA11163 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA11157 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA08746; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:38:13 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606131838.LAA08746@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: T-shirts for donations ;)...Maybe????? To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:38:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, green@fang.cs.sunyit.edu, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606130152.LAA21945@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Jun 13, 96 11:22:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Actually, thinking more on this, I'd like to see a SunSoft-like > > key-based commercial software distribution CDROM. Install the > > demo version, call up with a credit card to get a key to turn > > it intothe real thing. I've played with a bunch of these for > > SPARC SunOS and Solaris. > > I (and probably anyone else not in the continental US) would _NOT_ like > this. Can you guess why? No, actually. > Now a PGP-based mailback system that kept records so that if your system > and the key got hosed you could re-request the key _without_being_billed_ > would have some merit. Now I can guess: you don't trust the people selling the keys to keep track of the keys you own. This is an administrative problem on the order of maintaining a registered user database -- something nearly every software vendor does anyway (and which all successful ones who wish repeat sales do). Keeping track of the fax copies of the key sent to you is on the order of keeping track of the CDROM you installed from (which you would also need to be able to reinstall). If you lost the CDROM, having the key available via email wouldn't help, would it? And if they put the binaries on the net (your next obvious argument), then they would need to license the patent that covers net distribution of binaries using license keys. Nolo contendre. The magic thing here, of course, is that the license service software would need to come with the system. It's logical that the people selling the server software would let anyone distribute it, since the place they get paid for is the code that links to the application. Obviously, if a system came with ABC Software's license server, if I were doing a port to that system, I'd use ABC Software's client in my product. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 11:43:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA11274 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA11269 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gab.isi.edu by zephyr.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-23) id ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:43:40 -0700 Posted-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by gab.isi.edu (5.65c/4.0.3-6) id ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:43:39 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:43:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Subramaniam Vincent To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Anyone else noticed.. In-Reply-To: <21431.834674428@palmer.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've come to understand that the Intel Auroroa motherboards (one the PCI mbd choices...) are broken for ATM card support. (dont seem to work..) . So for those of you who want to grab this hardware, you may want to check this out esp if u plan to use ATM on the freeBSD platform later.. *caution* On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Gary Palmer wrote: > "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote in message ID > <28078.834656104@time.cdrom.com>: > > That Intel is dumping their 200Mhz P6 aurora motherboards *with* CPU > > on the market for a street price of $1300 or less? This can't help > > but have interesting effects on the <$5000K server market. > > With suitable revisions of the Orion chipset (i.e. stepping `B' or > later)? > > Gary > -- > Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member > FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 11:45:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA11407 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA11392 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA08774; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:42:40 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606131842.LAA08774@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Anyone else noticed.. To: alex@fa.tdktca.com (Alex Nash) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:42:40 -0700 (MST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <31C0201B.2B96D64E@fa.tdktca.com> from "Alex Nash" at Jun 13, 96 09:05:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Yeah, that's about average for a high-end P5. With my P5/133 I > > get "435.64 real 380.14 user 24.26 sys", which > > is about what you'd expect. > > > > You need a P6 to drop below the 3 minute barrier though. :-) > > Or a dual processor P5 running make -j :) I was just going to say... 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 11:54:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA11907 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freenet.carleton.ca (root@freenet.carleton.ca [134.117.1.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA11897 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freenet3.carleton.ca (dg225@freenet3.carleton.ca [134.117.1.22]) by freenet.carleton.ca (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA11237 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:54:29 -0400 Received: (dg225@localhost) by freenet3.carleton.ca (8.6.12/NCF-Sun-Client) id OAA21600; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:54:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:54:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199606131854.OAA21600@freenet3.carleton.ca> From: dg225@freenet.carleton.ca (Jason Ward) To: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: cdrom Reply-To: dg225@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Please send me the free cdrom. Before i give you my address E-MAIL me at dg225 -- Jason Ward From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 12:01:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA12225 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA12220 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id ag06659; 13 Jun 96 19:47 +0100 Received: from longacre.demon.co.uk ([158.152.156.24]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa11112; 13 Jun 96 13:43 +0100 From: Michael Searle Message-ID: To: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: 64bit support? References: <199606122228.PAA09479@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:18:14 BST X-Mailer: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk owner-hackers-digest@freefall.freebsd.org wrote: > I am aware that GCC has 64bit integers (long long) support. I was > hoping to find a more compiler portable approach for handling 64 bit > numbers. Is anyone aware of a 64bit package either in the form of > libraries or macros that can handle basic 64bit math? Uh, me too. :) Please send any information on 64-bit maths either to me as well or to hackers. -- Michael Searle - searle@longacre.demon.co.uk From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 12:28:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA13057 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scooter.quickweb.com (scooter.quickweb.com [199.212.134.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13048 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mark@localhost) by scooter.quickweb.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id PAA16161; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:27:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Mayo To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 430VX motherboards Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I finally got the cash together to buy a new FreeBSD system, and I was looking for motherboard recomendations. I've heard the 430HX chipset from Intel is quite good, and I _think_ I recall someone saying that ASUS makes a good board with the 430HX in it.. is this correct and if so what was that model number again?? I've also been hereing the the new 430VX chipset (which supports SDRAM) is way fast. Does anyone make these yet? (I prefer ASUS cause I've had nothing but good experiences with ASUS so far) . I know DELL makes one, but it comes loaded with multimedia crap and no SCSII (huh? ;-) TIA, -Mark :%t$sig -- Oops, thought I was in vi.. ------------------------------------------- | Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com | | C-Soft www.quickweb.com | ------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 13:02:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA14760 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA14751 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA08899; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:01:45 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606132001.NAA08899@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: gated & pccard don't get along To: amcrae@cisco.com (Andrew McRae) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:01:45 -0700 (MST) Cc: nate@sneezy.sri.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606131337.GAA21556@doberman.cisco.com> from "Andrew McRae" at Jun 13, 96 06:37:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Having thought long and hard about this, I have come to the > conclusion that having hot-swappable resources and interfaces > is a great idea in theory, but the kernel (and parts of the user-land > and daemons) generally assumes that devices are not going to > appear and disappear at random intervals. It is pretty scary to > think of the changes required to really make the system understand > this concept fully. The net code is a good example; whilst the > insert/remove scripts can already do some of these things (like > add default routes etc.), we are really working with a bit > of glue around the edges, and not tackling some of the core > problems. One issue is the way various bits get informed about > changes [e.g a card being pulled]. The need is for programs > to be started or stopped, signals sent, kernel tables to be > modified, daemons to be informed [e.g gated] etc. You have to move to message-based event processing, of course, instead of just signal-based with daemons. The point is to *not* have to run babysitting daemons. > Berny Goodheart and I were talking about this, and his > suggestion is to implement a registry scheme, I imagine with > a graph of dependancies and some IPC etc. Tandem (Berny's > employer) uses such a scheme to implement hot swap > in their high availability architecture. Having worked on such a scheme > myself, I appreciate the complexity. Unfortunately, you can't implement > just a *little* bit of the scheme. If you do *any* form of > hot swap, you have to go the whole hog. Cisco also support > hot-swap, and even when it's designed in from day one, it is > still a significant effort to make it work. Yes, but it needent involve a registry. The problems are on the order of those addressed by the 1.2 APM BIOS specification (www.intel.com, search, APM). The issue is to allow the system to be sufficiently modular so that you can add/revoke modules as a result of a plug/unplug event. For networking, this means transient mounts (mounts are the *most* persistent network connections) and some small changes to the FS code (which require devfs to keep them small). > So I guess I am saying that the little bit of glue around > the edges is a pretty good scheme for FreeBSD, unless some > serious effort is undertaken. Thus I would consider pccard > to not really offer hot swap, but more of a `user friendly > hardware bus'. Having said that, I think the glue holds > together as much as can be expected :-) I'd like to see a serious effort. The RAID hot swap is partially supported by SCSI reprobe, and other capabilities need to be similarly supported. > I am tempted to say, "It's not pccard's fault, but all the > rest of the system for not handling hot swap". That is a comforting, > but specious argument. I *am* glad to see it is being put > to good use. It *is* the rest of the system's fault. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 13:04:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA14880 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nrlmry.navy.mil (HELIUM.NRLMRY.NAVY.MIL [199.9.2.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA14874 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:04:53 -0700 (PDT) From: norton@nrlmry.navy.mil Received: from norton (norton.nrlmry.navy.mil) by nrlmry.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24149; Thu, 13 Jun 96 13:04:58 PDT Received: by norton (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA26558; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:03:21 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:03:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199606132003.NAA26558@norton> To: searle@longacre.demon.co.uk Cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: (message from Michael Searle on Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:18:14 BST) Subject: Re: 64bit support? Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Perhaps the gmp package at athena-dist.mit.edu is something you might be interested in looking at. I've never used it, but it appears to be an arbitrary precision math library. I missed the beginning of the thread and am not sure if you are interested in high precision math, or something else. Attached is part of the README. -dave THE GNU MP LIBRARY GNU MP is a library for arbitrary precision arithmetic, operating on signed integers, rational numbers, and floating point numbers. It has a rich set of functions, and the functions have a regular interface. GNU MP is designed to be as fast as possible, both for small operands and for huge operands. The speed is achieved by using fullwords as the basic arithmetic type, by using fast algorithms, by carefully optimized assembly code for the most common inner loops for a lots of CPUs, and by a general emphasis on speed (instead of simplicity or elegance). The speed of GNU MP is believed to be faster than any other similar library. The advantage for GNU MP increases with the operand sizes for certain operations, since GNU MP in many cases has asymptotically faster algorithms. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 13:06:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA14965 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:06:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA14960 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA08912; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:04:51 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606132004.NAA08912@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: gated & pccard don't get along To: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:04:51 -0700 (MST) Cc: amcrae@cisco.com, nate@sneezy.sri.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199606131629.KAA19062@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Jun 13, 96 10:29:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Berny Goodheart and I were talking about this, and his > > suggestion is to implement a registry scheme, I imagine with > > a graph of dependancies and some IPC etc. Tandem (Berny's > > employer) uses such a scheme to implement hot swap > > in their high availability architecture. Having worked on such a scheme > > myself, I appreciate the complexity. Unfortunately, you can't implement > > just a *little* bit of the scheme. If you do *any* form of > > hot swap, you have to go the whole hog. Cisco also support > > hot-swap, and even when it's designed in from day one, it is > > still a significant effort to make it work. > > While I agree in reality, in practice I think although we can't have > 'the best' solution I think we can make the current glue a bit more > useful, especially given the fact that we already pull in /etc/sysconfig > which contains most of the 'customization' informtaion. Uh, why the hell can't we have the *best* soloution? Someone has to have the *best* souloution. Why not us? (Hyped off of "Triumph of the Nerds"). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 13:35:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA16537 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cis.usouthal.edu (cis.usouthal.edu [192.245.221.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA16523 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by cis.usouthal.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17276; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:34:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:34:33 -0500 (CDT) From: David Hansen Subject: Re: cdrom To: Jason Ward Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199606131854.OAA21600@freenet3.carleton.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk is there a free cdrom? On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Jason Ward wrote: > Please send me the free cdrom. Before i give you my address E-MAIL me at dg225 > > -- > Jason Ward > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 14:37:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA19865 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cd.iidpwr.com ([204.33.177.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19860 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tam@localhost) by cd.iidpwr.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA17389 for hackers@freefall.freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:40:24 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:40:24 -0700 From: Tony Tam Message-Id: <199606132140.OAA17389@cd.iidpwr.com> To: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: DigiBoard Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Oleg N Panashchenko wrote: > > In article you wrote: > : Serge A. Babkin wrote: > : > Does your machine have over 15M of memory ? If so, you need to map > : > your Digiboard to some address in the ISA address hole (between > : > 640K and 1M). > : > > : > -SB > : Serge, > : Thank you for sharing your knowledge with me. > : Yes, my machine has more than 15M of RAM. It has 32M byte of RAM. > : I have tried what you recommend. I compiled my kernel with the following option now: > : device dgb0 at isa? port 0x320 iomem 0xf0000 iosiz ? tty > : But I am still having problems. Following is the error messsage > : I am having: > : Any idea? > > ISA address hole between 640K and 1M is partially occupied. > Usually, memory map of this range is like the following: > > 0xa0000 - 0xbffff - VGA+ video RAM > 0xc0000 - 0xc7fff - VGA BIOS > 0xf0000 - 0xfffff - Main system BIOS > > There are other devices that use this memory - SCSI controllers, several > (ancient) Ethernet cards and so. You need to check manuals for your > motherboard and add-on cards to find if they occupy memory range in > ISA address hole. > > As you see, 0xf0000 is already occupied. So, you need to select another > address again. Try, for example, with 0xd0000. > > Another problem can occur if you motherboard has 'Shadow memory' at the selected > address enabled. Verify that it is turned off in CMOS setup. > > Hint: It is not necessary to rebuild kernel every time you change > I/O address / IRQ / memory range for your hardware. Just type 2 symbols > at 'boot:' prompt: > > -c > > and answer 'visual' at the next prompt. Changes you made in the following > menu will be saved, so this and next time you will boot with changed > options. > > Oleg > > PS. If digiboard will be recognized by your box, ( I am sure, it will > be so), try to upgrade digiboard driver from > > ftp://tav.kiev.ua/pub/unix/FreeBSD/dgb_helg-Apr20.tgz Thank you for your information. My DigiBoard PC/8e is working with your new driver dgb_helg-Apr20.tgz now. It seems that the DigiBoard can only work at 0xd0000. I have tried 0xc8000, but no luck. Anyway, thank you for your help. -- Yours truly, Tony Tam +------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Tony Tam | Imperial Irrigation District | | Imperial Irrigation District | 333 E. Barioni Blvd. | | email: tam@cd.iidpwr.com | P.O. BOX 937 | | tel: (619) 339 9454 | Imperial, CA 92251 | | fax: (619) 339 9189 | U.S.A. | +------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 15:42:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA26288 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA26246 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA03764 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:41:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199606132241.PAA03764@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: slocal and duplicate messages 8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:41:11 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, mh's slocal has an option to delete duplicate messages . The option is MSGID . This a what part of my mh configuration file looks like: # FreeBSD specific options (for FreeBSD-1.x, remove BSD44) options BSD42 BSD43 BSD44 WAITINT UNISTD VSPRINTF MORE='"/usr/bin/more"' options NORUSERPASS DBMPWD POSIX NTOHLSWAP SYS5DIR OVERHEAD MSGID FCNTL options BIND MIME SENDMTS SMTP WHATNOW ZONEINFO options GCOS_HACK RENAME LOCALE MSGID Basically, is the same as the mh ports except that I added MSGID. Now on my home directory, I did: touch .maildelivery.db This enables the caching of duplicate mail messages For further info just take a look at mh's slocal.c Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 16:16:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA02308 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA02294; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA00289; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:16:15 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606132316.QAA00289@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Anyone else noticed.. To: alex@fa.tdktca.com (Alex Nash) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:16:15 -0700 (MST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, phk@freebsd.org, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <31C02534.7E0645F5@fa.tdktca.com> from "Alex Nash" at Jun 13, 96 09:27:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Yeah, that's about average for a high-end P5. With my P5/133 I > get "435.64 real 380.14 user 24.26 sys", which > is about what you'd expect. > > You need a P6 to drop below the 3 minute barrier though. :-) Or a dual processor P5 running make -j :) My dual P90, building GENERIC: 437.02 real ~72% per processor with no real kernel reentrancy (real reentrancy would probal jack it up to 92-94%, if fine-grained). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 16:53:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA11106 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apollo.intermind.com (apollo.intermind.com [206.40.151.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11092 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from malkav.intermind.com ([206.40.150.122]) by apollo.intermind.com (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-11400) with SMTP id AAA225 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:58:56 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960613235322.00e8954c@intermind.com> X-Sender: jnoetzel@intermind.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:53:22 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org From: jnoetzel@intermind.com (Jeremy Noetzelman) Subject: 3Com Etherlink III PCI Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is the above card, the 3com Etherlink III PCI supported under -stable? I couldnt find an entry when I looked.... Jeremy --- Jeremy Noetzelman jnoetzel@intermind.com Operations Specialist Intermind Corporation From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 17:30:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA17868 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 17:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aeffle.Stanford.EDU (sequence.Stanford.EDU [171.65.76.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA17862 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 17:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by aeffle.Stanford.EDU; id AA10225; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 17:29:39 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 17:29:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Howard Lew To: Mark Mayo Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 430VX motherboards In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Mark Mayo wrote: > Hi all, I finally got the cash together to buy a new FreeBSD system, and > I was looking for motherboard recomendations. I've heard the 430HX > chipset from Intel is quite good, and I _think_ I recall someone saying > that ASUS makes a good board with the 430HX in it.. is this correct and > if so what was that model number again?? > > I've also been hereing the the new 430VX chipset (which supports SDRAM) is > way fast. Does anyone make these yet? (I prefer ASUS cause I've had > nothing but good experiences with ASUS so far) . I know DELL makes one, > but it comes loaded with multimedia crap and no SCSII (huh? ;-) > Well, because we sell the new Triton IIIs, I had a chance to test a couple out, they seem pretty good. They have the PCI-PCI bridge for those interested. It's not an Asus, but a FreeTech motherboard. It has jumper settings for the Pentium 200 (3x66) too! It also supports the AMD K5 and Cyrix 6x86. The ones we tried are very stable and the Award BIOS has lots of new additional features in the CMOS (if you like tweaking the settings). The SDRAM support is via a DIMM slot. Looks like a winner! ---- || Shoppers Network BEST PRICES, FULLY x86 COMPATIBLE & FAST!!! || PO BOX 16627 Cyrix 686s now available! || San Francisco, CA 94116 Email - info@shoppersnet.com | ------------------------------> WWW - http://www2.shoppersnet.com -------------------------------> WWW - http://www.shoppersnet.com/shopping From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 17:32:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA17986 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 17:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA17981 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 17:32:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.rwwa.com (localhost.rwwa.com [127.0.0.1]) by spooky.rwwa.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA18627 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:33:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199606140033.UAA18627@spooky.rwwa.com> X-Authentication-Warning: spooky.rwwa.com: Host localhost.rwwa.com didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink III PCI In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:53:22 PDT." <2.2.32.19960613235322.00e8954c@intermind.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:33:12 -0400 From: Robert Withrow Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk jnoetzel@intermind.com said: > Is the above card, the 3com Etherlink III PCI supported under > -stable? I couldnt find an entry when I looked.... As far as I can tell no. I back-ported the -current driver to 2.1, and got the card working well enough to answer pings and other simple traffic, but it wouldn't do NFS or other stuff. I havn't had a chance to play with the driver. I'm told both the driver and the card are buggy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 592 8935, Net: witr@rwwa.COM From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 18:29:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA23181 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 18:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23172 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 18:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA28814; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:24:26 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199606140154.LAA28814@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: 64bit support? To: norton@nrlmry.navy.mil Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:24:24 +0930 (CST) Cc: searle@longacre.demon.co.uk, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606132003.NAA26558@norton> from "norton@nrlmry.navy.mil" at Jun 13, 96 01:03:21 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk norton@nrlmry.navy.mil stands accused of saying: > > > Perhaps the gmp package at athena-dist.mit.edu is something you might > be interested in looking at. I've never used it, but it appears to be gmp is already in the standard system : /usr/lib/libgmp.a /usr/lib/libgmp.so.2.0 /usr/lib/libgmp_p.a However the original poster was looking for a portable 64-bit integer arithmetic solution, which is totally unrelated. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 18:37:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA23678 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 18:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23671 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 18:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA28903; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:34:32 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199606140204.LAA28903@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: T-shirts for donations ;)...Maybe????? To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:34:31 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, terry@lambert.org, green@fang.cs.sunyit.edu, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606131838.LAA08746@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Jun 13, 96 11:38:13 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert stands accused of saying: > > > Now a PGP-based mailback system that kept records so that if your system > > and the key got hosed you could re-request the key _without_being_billed_ > > would have some merit. > > Now I can guess: you don't trust the people selling the keys to keep > track of the keys you own. That's one. Then take the fact that being an offshore trader and because your transactions are verbal only, there's no decent consumer protection, no paper trail that can be followed to catch a shoddy vendor etc. Then there's the simple fact that it's an incredible pain in the ass to have to get up at 4am just to be able to buy something over the phone. > Obviously, if a system came with ABC Software's license server, if I > were doing a port to that system, I'd use ABC Software's client in > my product. Go chat to Globetrotter then. They keep sending me annoying emails about training courses in California, which are even less interesting to me 8) It would quite possibly be a Big Plus to have FlexLM native on FreeBSD. It'd certainly clear a few headaches around here. > Terry Lambert -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 19:52:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA00871 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA00865 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id TAA22549; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma022545; Thu Jun 13 19:51:25 1996 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA00774; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:50:58 -0700 From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199606140250.TAA00774@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: ISC dhcp, AF_UNSPEC & bpf bugs To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jmf@free-gate.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199606080600.XAA12797@Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Jun 7, 96 11:00:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >I am currently trying to port the ISC DHCP server to FreeBSD. In the > >process, I found 2 problems related to the BPF implementation, which > >they use to send packets on specific interfaces. > > > >1. When sending a packet via BPF, the ether type gets byte-swapped. > > This issue keeps coming up - I think it was the AppleTalk people the last > time. I personally could care less which way it is and don't have an opinion. > Someone just decide which way it fits the standard usage model the best and > send in a diff. > > -DG > > David Greenman > Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project Sorry if I wasn't paying attention, but what eventually happened with regards to this... did it get fixed? Thanks, -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie L. Cobbs, archie@whistle.com * Whistle Communications Corporation From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 20:08:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA01607 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01602 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id UAA22624; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma022622; Thu Jun 13 20:07:38 1996 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA01509; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:07:38 -0700 From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199606140307.UAA01509@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: config To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:07:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stupid question (re -current): When you add an option to your kernel config file that's not listed in i386/conf/options.i386, like IPFIREWALL for example, you should see "-DIPFIREWALL" on all the compilation command lines when you do a make, right? Then I think the latest changes to the "config" program have broken it because this isn't happening for some of my targets. For example, given the config file TEST included below, config generates this seemingly sparse makefile definition: IDENT= -DI386_CPU -DI486_CPU -DI586_CPU -DCOMPAT_43 -DDEVFS -DMSDOSFS \ -DFFS -DINET Is this right?? Thanks, -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie L. Cobbs, archie@whistle.com * Whistle Communications Corporation ### ### kernel configuration ### ident TEST maxusers 10 machine "i386" ### Hardware peculiarities cpu "I386_CPU" cpu "I486_CPU" cpu "I586_CPU" #cpu "I686_CPU" # aka Pentium Pro(tm) options BOUNCE_BUFFERS #include support for DMA bounce buffers options "AUTO_EOI_1" #options "AUTO_EOI_2" ### Debugging stuff options DDB options COMCONSOLE #console on serial port! options BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER #a BREAK on a comconsole goes to options KTRACE #kernel tracing ### IP stuff options INET #InterNETworking options MROUTING #Multicast routing options IPFIREWALL #firewall #options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE #print information about ### IPX stuff #options IPX #IPX/SPX communications protocols #options IPXIP #IPX in IP encapsulation (not available) #options IPTUNNEL #IP in IPX encapsulation (not available) #options IPXPRINTFS=0 #IPX/SPX Console Debugging Information #options IPX_ERRPRINTFS=0 #IPX/SPX Console Debugging Information ### Filesystems options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options PROCFS #Process filesystem options DEVFS #devices filesystem ### Sys-V messaging options SYSVSHM options SYSVSEM options SYSVMSG ### Misc options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console #options FAILSAFE options QUOTA #enable disk quotas options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 ########################## Drivers ############################### ### Basic hardware stuff config kernel root on wd0 controller isa0 device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" irq 13 vector npxintr ### Console device vt0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector pcrint options "PCVT_FREEBSD=210" options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor ### Floppy (eventually to go away) controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 #disk fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 ### IDE hard disk XXX we should add the appropriate "flags" -- see LINT controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 vector wdintr disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 #disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1 ### Serial ports (3) device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 vector siointr device sio2 at isa? port "IO_COM3" tty irq 5 vector siointr ### Ethernet: NE2000 compatible cards device ed1 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 9 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr device ed0 at isa? port 0x320 net irq 10 iomem 0xe0000 vector edintr ### Pseudo-devices that don't correspond to hardware pseudo-device pty 16 pseudo-device tun 4 pseudo-device bpfilter 16 pseudo-device loop pseudo-device ether pseudo-device log pseudo-device gzip pseudo-device speaker #Play IBM BASIC-style noises out your speaker From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 20:15:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA02058 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA02053 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id UAA22668; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma022666; Thu Jun 13 20:15:07 1996 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA01595; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:15:07 -0700 From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199606140315.UAA01595@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: config To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:15:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk D'oh! Nevermind the previous question about config.. I was missing that the conf/options file is also consulted by ``config'' ... and now I see that IPFIREWALL has gone into there... -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie L. Cobbs, archie@whistle.com * Whistle Communications Corporation From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 20:21:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA02322 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA02294 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id EAA07443; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:20:35 +0100 (BST) To: Archie Cobbs cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: config In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:07:37 PDT." <199606140307.UAA01509@bubba.whistle.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:20:34 +0100 Message-ID: <7441.834722434@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Archie Cobbs wrote in message ID <199606140307.UAA01509@bubba.whistle.com>: > > Stupid question (re -current): > > When you add an option to your kernel config file that's not listed > in i386/conf/options.i386, like IPFIREWALL for example, you should > see "-DIPFIREWALL" on all the compilation command lines when you > do a make, right? Check /sys/conf/options too :-) (non processor specific stuff) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 20:26:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA02621 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pdx1 (pdx1.world.net [192.243.32.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA02614 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from suburbia.net (suburbia.net [203.4.184.1]) by pdx1 (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA27843 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:27:02 -0700 Received: (proff@localhost) by suburbia.net (8.7.4/Proff-950810) id NAA07084 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:25:30 +1000 From: Julian Assange Message-Id: <199606140325.NAA07084@suburbia.net> Subject: Re: ISC dhcp, AF_UNSPEC & bpf bugs To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:25:29 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199606140250.TAA00774@bubba.whistle.com> from "Archie Cobbs" at Jun 13, 96 07:50:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >I am currently trying to port the ISC DHCP server to FreeBSD. In the > > >process, I found 2 problems related to the BPF implementation, which > > >they use to send packets on specific interfaces. > > > > > >1. When sending a packet via BPF, the ether type gets byte-swapped. > > Various field in struct ip are also delt with in host-byte-order when using SOCK_RAW, which I thought was particularly silly. -- "Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies, The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis, _God in the Dock_ +---------------------+--------------------+----------------------------------+ |Julian Assange RSO | PO Box 2031 BARKER | Secret Analytic Guy Union | |proff@suburbia.net | VIC 3122 AUSTRALIA | finger for PGP key hash ID = | |proff@gnu.ai.mit.edu | FAX +61-3-98199066 | 0619737CCC143F6DEA73E27378933690 | +---------------------+--------------------+----------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 21:27:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA05586 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA05579 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA01717; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:26:29 -0700 (PDT) To: David Hansen cc: Jason Ward , FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: cdrom In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:34:33 CDT." Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:26:29 -0700 Message-ID: <1714.834726389@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk No, this man is simply confused. :-) Jordan > is there a free cdrom? > > On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Jason Ward wrote: > > > Please send me the free cdrom. Before i give you my address E-MAIL me at dg 225 > > > > -- > > Jason Ward > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 21:37:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA06208 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06203 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA03768; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606140436.VAA03768@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Archie Cobbs cc: jmf@free-gate.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ISC dhcp, AF_UNSPEC & bpf bugs In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:50:57 PDT." <199606140250.TAA00774@bubba.whistle.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:36:16 -0700 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> >I am currently trying to port the ISC DHCP server to FreeBSD. In the >> >process, I found 2 problems related to the BPF implementation, which >> >they use to send packets on specific interfaces. >> > >> >1. When sending a packet via BPF, the ether type gets byte-swapped. >> >> This issue keeps coming up - I think it was the AppleTalk people the last >> time. I personally could care less which way it is and don't have an opinion. >> Someone just decide which way it fits the standard usage model the best and >> send in a diff. >> >> -DG >> >> David Greenman >> Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > >Sorry if I wasn't paying attention, but what eventually happened with >regards to this... did it get fixed? This has been fixed in -current. I haven't decided yet if the change will be brought into -stable. Any opinions about that? -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 21:56:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA07117 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07105; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id NAA03998; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA03809; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:54:06 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606071954.MAA03809@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: The -stable problem: my view To: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:54:06 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606071953.NAA00238@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Jun 7, 96 01:53:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Try using it _seriously_ someday and no explanation will be necessary. > > > Suffice it to say that it has absolutely nothing to do with the > > > documentation. > > > > The problem with CVS is access protocol. > > No, the problem is that CVS doesn't handle diverging source trees very > well. The access to the tree is *completely* and *utterly* irrelevant > to the problems at hand, and just because you want it changed doesn't > mean you should get on your soapbox and call for it's implentation. > > Stick the to *problem* that's being discussed, not one that you (and > only you) consider to be a real problem with CVS. > > You're tryin to break the model that CVS was designed for, and this part > of the model is *NOT* one of the problems FreeBSD is facing now. Nate: you're wrong. The main argument against "let's get rid of -stable" is that -stable is known to be buildable. If -current were known to be buildable, it would support the argument for getting rid of -stable. CVS can reconcile source trees (merge branch tags) just fine... we did that sort of thing at Novell with a CVS version of three years ago, no problems. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 22:13:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA07820 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07815 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA02490; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:10:28 -0700 (PDT) To: Michael Smith cc: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert), green@fang.cs.sunyit.edu, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: T-shirts for donations ;)...Maybe????? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:34:31 +0930." <199606140204.LAA28903@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:10:28 -0700 Message-ID: <2488.834729028@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It would quite possibly be a Big Plus to have FlexLM native on FreeBSD. It'd > certainly clear a few headaches around here. Yuck. I say again, Yuck. That's like deliberately wishing for herpes. :-) [yeah yeah, I know, when you need it you need it] Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 22:41:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA09573 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA09568 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA31202; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 07:41:14 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id HAA22371; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 07:40:17 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.Alpha.4/keltia-uucp-2.8) id GAA00466; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 06:59:00 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199606140459.GAA00466@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: config To: archie@whistle.com (Archie Cobbs) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 06:58:59 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606140307.UAA01509@bubba.whistle.com> from Archie Cobbs at "Jun 13, 96 08:07:37 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#2111 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Archie Cobbs said: > For example, given the config file TEST included below, config generates > this seemingly sparse makefile definition: > > IDENT= -DI386_CPU -DI486_CPU -DI586_CPU -DCOMPAT_43 -DDEVFS -DMSDOSFS \ > -DFFS -DINET > > Is this right?? Yes, you should read cvs-all. Several options have been moved into their own opt_*.h in order to have dependencies over kernel options. Now, you can change options and only recompile the files that are needed... Watch for opt_ipfw.h in your compile directory. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #11: Thu Jun 13 11:01:47 MET DST 1996 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 13 22:57:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA10096 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA10084 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA02844; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:55:46 -0700 (PDT) To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: slocal and duplicate messages 8) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:41:11 PDT." <199606132241.PAA03764@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:55:45 -0700 Message-ID: <2842.834731745@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Basically, is the same as the mh ports except that I added MSGID. Huh. The -current port seems to already have this on as well. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 00:37:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA14989 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 00:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA14983 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 00:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA02565; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:34:34 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199606140804.RAA02565@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: T-shirts for donations ;)...Maybe????? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:34:33 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, terry@lambert.org, green@fang.cs.sunyit.edu, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2488.834729028@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 13, 96 10:10:28 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard stands accused of saying: > >>It would quite possibly be a Big Plus to have FlexLM native on FreeBSD. It'd >>certainly clear a few headaches around here. > > Yuck. I say again, Yuck. That's like deliberately wishing for herpes. :-) > [yeah yeah, I know, when you need it you need it] So is running a commercial Linux binary on FreeBSD (but boy does it kill the same app on Linux under -current; muchos gracias to John and the gang!) Nevertheless, it would make life for, say, WordPerfect users easier; AFAIR the license manager is _the_ hairball when it comes to running WP. I'm not looking forward to when RSI go to FlexLM-for-Linux at the end of the year - I can see some _very_ heated email between us and their support droids until we get it sorted. > Jordan -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 01:03:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA16252 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16246 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00961; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 23:08:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199606140408.XAA00961@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: slocal and duplicate messages 8) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:55:45 MST." <2842.834731745@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 23:08:43 -0500 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of "Jordan K. Hubbard" : > > Basically, is the same as the mh ports except that I added MSGID. > > Huh. The -current port seems to already have this on as well. :-) > > Jordan Okay, I just probably didn't spot right away... At any rate, it is working fine over . So crossposters, beware I will only get one message from you !! 8) Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 01:10:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA16519 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16491 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA08529; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:07:42 -0700 (PDT) To: Amancio Hasty cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: slocal and duplicate messages 8) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jun 1996 23:08:43 CDT." <199606140408.XAA00961@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:07:42 -0700 Message-ID: <8527.834739662@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Okay, I just probably didn't spot right away... At any rate, it is working > fine over . So crossposters, beware I will only get one message from > you !! 8) Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work for me. I reinstalled MH, just to make sure, and touched a $HOME/.maildelivery.db file, which has not changed size from 0 since. Was there some other step involved? :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 01:20:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA17121 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pancake.remcomp.fr (root@pancake.remcomp.fr [194.51.30.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA17112 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zapata.omnix.fr.org (zapata [128.127.10.1]) by zapata.omnix.fr.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA16666 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:58:00 +0200 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:58:00 +0200 (MET DST) From: didier@omnix.fr.org To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 2.2-SNAPSHOT CDROM (boot problem) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi I've several hard disk. sd0: FreeBSD 2.1-stable sd1: msdos sd2: FreeBSD 2.2-current (2.2-snapshot cdrom) if I unplug sd0 and sd1 I can work on 2.2-current without any problem it's really unpleasant to have to open my machine to boot FreeBSD and I would like to be able to boot directly from sd2 I can force the aha2940 to boot from sd2 but the kernel mount sd0 root instead of sd2 sd(2,a)/kernel gives me: Errors C:0 H:0 S:0 ... .. on several lines thanks for your help -- Didier Derny | My computer is Microsoft Free... didier@omnix.fr.org | FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE site From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 02:01:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA19410 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 02:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from melb.werple.net.au (melb.werple.net.au [203.9.190.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA19401 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 02:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cimaxp1.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by melb.werple.net.au (8.7.5/8.7.3/2) with UUCP id SAA21378 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:26:56 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199606140826.SAA21378@melb.werple.net.au> Received: by cimaxp1.cimlogic.com.au; (5.65/1.1.8.2/10Sep95-0953AM) id AA06477; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:27:38 +1000 From: John Birrell Subject: Nonblocking writes to pipes hang To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:27:37 +1000 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk G'day, We're having problems with non-blocking writes to pipes under FreeBSD 2.1R and 2.2-current (supped middle of last week). The test program (below) gives the following results: OSF/1 V3.1 65536 bytes written to pipe HPUX V10.01 8192 bytes written to pipe NetBSD 1.1A/i386 4096 bytes written to pipe The program on either FreeBSD 2.1R or 2.2-current just hangs. Only a kill -9 will interrupt it. Can anyone explain what is going on? #include #include #include #include #include #include #include int main() { char *p_buff; int desc[2]; int ierr = 0; long num; size_t buffsize = 100000; if ((p_buff = (char *) malloc(buffsize)) == NULL) { printf("Error allocating %lu bytes\n", (unsigned long) buffsize); ierr = 1; } else { memset(p_buff, 'a', buffsize); *(p_buff + buffsize - 1) = '\0'; if (pipe(desc) != 0) { printf("Error %d from pipe()\n", errno); ierr = 1; } else if (fcntl(desc[1], F_SETFL, O_NONBLOCK) != 0) { printf("Error %d from pipe()\n", errno); ierr = 1; } else if ((num = write(desc[1], p_buff, buffsize)) < 0) { printf("Error %d from write()\n", errno); ierr = 1; } else { printf("%ld bytes written to pipe\n", num); } } return (ierr); } Thanks, -- John Birrell CIMlogic Pty Ltd jb@cimlogic.com.au 119 Cecil Street Ph +61 3 9690 6900 South Melbourne Vic 3205 Fax +61 3 9690 6650 Australia Mob +61 18 353 137 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 02:23:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA21792 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 02:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from teil.soft.net (tata_elxsi.soft.net [164.164.10.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA21732 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 02:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by teil.soft.net (920330.SGI/920502.SGI.JF) for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG id AA01353; Fri, 14 Jun 96 14:53:09 -0800 From: rishim@teil.soft.net (Rishi Gautam) Message-Id: <9606142253.AA01353@teil.soft.net> Subject: Need Information To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:53:08 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi How do i create a new kernel global variables? How do set those variables from user prcocess? How do I enable the kernel debugger in the FreeBSD? Do I need to install some packeage or do I have to recompile the kernel with setting some kernel configuration variable? Thanking you in anticipation for your help. Rishi From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 02:26:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA22490 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 02:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.NL.net (ns.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA22170 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 02:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spase by ns.NL.net via EUnet id AA15408 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:33:55 +0200 Received: from phobos.spase.nl (phobos [192.9.200.238]) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA13348; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:31:51 +0200 From: Kees Jan Koster Received: (dutchman@localhost) by phobos.spase.nl (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA00692; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:30:22 +0200 Message-Id: <199606140830.KAA00692@phobos.spase.nl> Subject: Re: 64bit support? - Reply To: DARREND@novell.com (Darren Davis) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:30:22 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: from "Darren Davis" at Jun 13, 96 10:38:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Yes, I would be very interested in it. I actually came to the conclusion > that moving to C++ was probably my best approach and allready started writing > a quad class. It would be nice to see what you did. > Well. Eventually I found it back, I had to rip it from the production source. I'm sorry, but I made some last-minute changes that I could not test. Someone had copied the contents of the original quad.h into another file %-( Anyway, here it is. I am interested in any changes/fixes you may have. CAVEATS: - The multiplication code is flaky. I never needed it ;) - Now that I look at the code again, perhaps the passing of 'const quad' as 'const quad &'. Gee, I really learned some more c++ in the past year ;) - There are plenty of details to improve. Groetjes, Kees Jan (dutchman@spase.nl) ======- snip -=============================================== // // quad.h, by Kees Jan Koster. // Defines two 64-bit types, quad and u_quad. // #ifndef QUAD_H #define QUAD_H // // Definitions // #include #ifdef __GNUC__ typedef unsigned long long int u_quad; #else #ifndef __cplusplus #error Use c++ to compile classes quad and u_quad. #endif class quad { public: /* Construction... */ quad () {} quad (const long int low) { hi = (low < 0L ? -1L : 0L); lo = (u_long) low; } quad (const long int high, const u_long low) {hi = high; lo = low;} quad (const quad &q) {hi = q.hi; lo = q.lo;} /* Comparing... */ int operator == (const quad q) {return hi == q.hi && lo == q.lo;} int operator != (const quad q) {return hi != q.hi || lo != q.lo;} int operator > (const quad q) {return (hi == q.hi ? lo > q.lo : hi > q.hi);} int operator < (const quad q) {return (hi == q.hi ? lo < q.lo : hi < q.hi);} int operator >= (const quad q) {return (hi == q.hi ? lo >= q.lo : hi > q.hi);} int operator <= (const quad q) {return (hi == q.hi ? lo <= q.lo : hi < q.hi);} /* Logical operations... */ long int operator & (u_long mask) {return lo & mask;} quad operator & (const quad &mask) {return quad (hi & mask.hi, lo & mask.lo);} quad operator | (const quad &mask) {return quad (hi | mask.hi, lo | mask.lo);} quad operator ^ (const quad &mask) {return quad (hi ^ mask.hi, lo ^ mask.lo);} quad operator &= (const quad &mask) {return quad (hi &= mask.hi, lo &= mask.lo);} quad operator |= (const quad &mask) {return quad (hi |= mask.hi, lo |= mask.lo);} /* Unary operations... */ quad operator ~ (void) {return quad (~hi, ~lo);} quad operator ! (void) {return quad (0L, (hi || lo ? 0L : 1L));} quad operator + (void) {return *this;} quad operator - (void) { register u_long low = (~lo) + 1L; /* If the result (low) is zero, there was carry. */ return quad (~hi + (lo ? 0L : 1L), low); } /* Shifting... */ quad operator >> (const int shift) { return shift > 32 ? quad ((hi < 0L ? -1L : 0L), hi >> (shift - 32)) : quad (hi >> shift, (lo >> shift) | (hi << (32 - shift))); } quad operator << (const int shift) { return shift > 32 ? quad (lo << (shift - 32), 0L) : quad ((hi << shift) | (lo >> (32 - shift)), lo << shift); } /* Arithmetic operations... */ quad operator + (const quad q) { register u_long low = lo + q.lo; /* If the result (low) is smaller than lo (or q.lo), there was carry. */ return quad (hi + q.hi + (low < lo ? 1L : 0L), low); } quad operator - (const quad q) { register quad r = q; /* Hack to avoid q being variable... */ return (*this) + -r; /* C++ won't accept -q if q is constant */ } quad operator * (quad q) /* ** Note: This implementation only multiplies the lower long ints */ { register const long int a = lo & 0xffffL, b = (lo >> 16) & 0xffffL; register const long int c = q.lo & 0xffffL, d = (q.lo >> 16) & 0xffffL; register sign = 0; if (hi < 0) {sign = !sign; lo = -lo;} if (q.hi < 0) {sign = !sign; q.lo = -q.lo;} if (sign) return -(quad (0L, a*c) + (quad (0L, b*c) << 16) + (quad (0L, a*d) << 16) + quad (b*d, 0L)); else return quad (0L, a*c) + (quad (0L, b*c) << 16) + (quad (0L, a*d) << 16) + quad (b*d, 0L); } /* Other stuff... */ void print (FILE *file) { fprintf (file, "0x%08lx%08lx", hi, lo); } char* hex(char *s) { sprintf (s, "0x%08lx%08lx", hi, lo); return s; } private: long int hi; u_long lo; } class u_quad { public: /* Construction... */ u_quad (void) {hi=0L;lo=0L;} u_quad (const u_long low) {hi = 0L;lo = low;} u_quad (const u_long high, const u_long low) {hi = high; lo = low;} u_quad (const u_quad& q ) {hi = q.hi; lo = q.lo;} /* Comparing... */ int operator == (const u_quad q) {return hi == q.hi && lo == q.lo;} int operator != (const u_quad q) {return hi != q.hi || lo != q.lo;} int operator > (const u_quad q) {return (hi == q.hi ? lo > q.lo : hi > q.hi);} int operator < (const u_quad q) {return (hi == q.hi ? lo < q.lo : hi < q.hi);} int operator >= (const u_quad q) {return (hi == q.hi ? lo >= q.lo : hi > q.hi);} int operator <= (const u_quad q) {return (hi == q.hi ? lo <= q.lo : hi < q.hi);} /* Logical operations... */ long int operator & (u_long mask) {return lo & mask;} u_quad operator & (const u_quad &mask) {return u_quad (hi & mask.hi, lo & mask.lo);} u_quad operator | (const u_quad &mask) {return u_quad (hi | mask.hi, lo | mask.lo);} u_quad operator ^ (const u_quad &mask) {return u_quad (hi ^ mask.hi, lo ^ mask.lo);} u_quad& operator &= (const u_quad &mask) {hi &= mask.hi; lo &= mask.lo; return *this;} u_quad& operator |= (const u_quad &mask) {hi |= mask.hi; lo |= mask.lo; return *this;} /* Unary operations... */ u_quad operator ~ (void) {return u_quad (~hi, ~lo);} u_quad operator ! (void) {return u_quad (0L, (hi || lo ? 0L : 1L));} u_quad operator + (void) {return *this;} quad operator - (void) { register u_long low = (~lo) + 1L; /* If the result (low) is zero, there was carry. */ return quad (~hi + (lo ? 0L : 1L), low); } /* Shifting... */ u_quad operator >> (const int shift) { return (shift == 0) ? u_quad(hi,lo) : ( shift > 32 ? u_quad (0L, hi >> (shift - 32) ) : u_quad (hi >> shift, (lo >> shift) | (hi << (32 - shift))) ) ; } u_quad operator << (const int shift) { return (shift == 0) ? u_quad(hi,lo) : ( shift > 32 ? u_quad ((shift > 63 ? 0L : lo << (shift - 32)), 0L) : u_quad ((hi << shift) | (lo >> (32 - shift)), lo << shift) ); } /* Arithmetic operations... */ u_quad operator + (const u_quad q) { u_quad result; register u_long low = lo + q.lo; // If the result (low) is smaller than lo (or q.lo), there was carry. return u_quad (hi + q.hi + ((low < lo) || (low < q.lo)), low); } u_quad operator * (u_quad q); /* u_quad operator * (u_quad q) { // CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION // CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION // // SIGNED MULTIPLICATION !!! // // CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION // CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION // remeber sign int sign = !!((hi & 0x80000000L) ^ (q.hi & 0x80000000L)); u_long a_hi=hi,a_lo=lo; u_long b_hi=q.hi,b_lo=q.lo; // remove signs if (a_hi & 0x80000000L) { // negate //invert a_hi=~a_hi;a_lo=~a_lo; // add one if(a_lo==0xFFFFFFFFL) { a_hi=a_hi+1L;a_lo=0L; } else { a_lo++; } } if (b_hi & 0x80000000L) { // negate // invert b_hi=~b_hi;b_lo=~b_lo; // add one if(b_lo==0xFFFFFFFFL) { b_hi=b_hi+1L;b_lo=0L; } else { b_lo++; } } // multiply int i; u_long c_hi=0L,c_lo=0L; for(i=0;i<32;i++) { // addition if (a_lo & 1) { // c = c + b c_lo = c_lo + b_lo; c_hi = c_hi + b_hi + ((c_lo < b_lo) ? 1L : 0L); } // shift // a >> 1 a_lo >>= 1; a_lo |= ((a_hi & 1L)?(0x80000000L):0L); a_hi >>= 1; // b << 1 b_hi <<= 1; b_hi |= ((b_lo & 0x80000000L)?1L:0L); b_lo <<= 1; } // set sign if (sign) { // c = -c //invert c_hi=~c_hi;c_lo=~c_lo; // add one if(c_lo==0xFFFFFFFFL) { c_hi=c_hi+1L;c_lo=0L; } else { c_lo++; } } return u_quad(c_hi,c_lo); } */ /* Other stuff... */ void print (FILE *file) { fprintf (file, "0x%08lx%08lx", hi, lo); } char* hex(char *s) { sprintf (s, "0x%08lx%08lx", hi, lo); return s; } private: u_long hi; u_long lo; } #endif // __GNUC__ #endif // QUAD_H // // -eof- From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 02:32:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA24227 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 02:32:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA24185 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 02:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA01584; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:31:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199606140931.EAA01584@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: slocal and duplicate messages 8) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:07:42 MST." <8527.834739662@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:31:49 -0500 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of "Jordan K. Hubbard" : > > Okay, I just probably didn't spot right away... At any rate, it is working > > fine over . So crossposters, beware I will only get one message from > > you !! 8) > > Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work for me. I reinstalled MH, just > to make sure, and touched a $HOME/.maildelivery.db file, which has not > changed size from 0 since. Was there some other step involved? :-) > > Jordan Well, you are going to have to do some good old debugging. I have a .maildelivery to sort out my mail;however, I didn't change it for the MSGID option. -rw------- 1 hasty wheel 16384 Jun 14 04:12 .maildelivery.db The file started out with size 0. from mh/uip/slocal.c #ifdef MSGID #ifdef BSD44 #define MSGID_PAGFILE ".maildelivery.db" #define MSGID_PAGFNO dbm_dirfno #else #define MSGID_PAGFILE ".maildelivery.pag" #define MSGID_PAGFNO dbm_pagfno #endif ... #ifdef MSGID struct stat st; static int first = 1; if (stat (MSGID_PAGFILE, &st) != NOTOK) { /* * Allow a user to trigger the database by creating an * empty database file. That gets us here, now we need * to remove it so DBM will create and initialize it properly. */ if (st.st_size == 0 && first) { first = 0; (void) unlink(MSGID_PAGFILE); } if (check_msgid (fd, ".maildelivery") == DONE) return OK; } #endif From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 02:39:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA25561 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 02:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from public.bta.net.cn (public.bta.net.cn [202.96.0.97]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA25530; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 02:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from robinson@localhost) by public.bta.net.cn (8.6.8.1/8.6.9) id RAA12045; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:39:10 +0800 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:39:10 +0800 From: Michael Robinson Message-Id: <199606140939.RAA12045@public.bta.net.cn> To: nate@sri.MT.net, terry@lambert.org Subject: Re: The -stable problem: my view Cc: FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >The main argument against "let's get rid of -stable" is that -stable >is known to be buildable. No. The main argument against "let's get rid of -stable" is that kernel panics are antagonistic to getting real work done. Some people (such as myself) depend on FreeBSD to do real work. Some people (so far, not myself) need bug fixes or new features as part of doing real work, and would rather not wait 15 months between releases. >If -current were known to be buildable, >it would support the argument for getting rid of -stable. If release-quality code could be packaged every three months, *that* would support the argument for getting rid of -stable. -Michael Robinson From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 03:01:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA29806 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 03:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA29788 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 03:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA00340; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 05:01:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199606141001.FAA00340@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Michael Robinson cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The -stable problem: my view In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:39:10 +0800." <199606140939.RAA12045@public.bta.net.cn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 05:01:14 -0500 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Michael Robinson : > >The main argument against "let's get rid of -stable" is that -stable > >is known to be buildable. > > No. The main argument against "let's get rid of -stable" is that kernel > panics are antagonistic to getting real work done. Some people (such as > myself) depend on FreeBSD to do real work. Some people (so far, not myself) > need bug fixes or new features as part of doing real work, and would rather > not wait 15 months between releases. > > >If -current were known to be buildable, > >it would support the argument for getting rid of -stable. > > If release-quality code could be packaged every three months, *that* would > support the argument for getting rid of -stable. Well, I think that we need -stable simply because is a stable base. To develop -current for a long time without taking a "stable" snapshot is really asking for it. As for -stable going away thats fine with me . People who depend on -stable can most likely afford to keep a -stable release till they can justify the cost of switching to -current. The question to ask is: when is -current going to become -stable? Oh and lets trimm the CC for the benefit of those who don't have dup message protection 8) Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 04:58:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA11157 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ios.internet-ireland.ie (ios.internet-ireland.ie [194.235.224.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA11146 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from naxos.internet-ireland.ie (naxos.internet-ireland.ie [194.235.226.164]) by ios.internet-ireland.ie (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA29187; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:57:55 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by naxos.internet-ireland.ie (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA16140; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:58:11 +0100 Message-Id: <199606141158.MAA16140@naxos.internet-ireland.ie> X-Authentication-Warning: naxos.internet-ireland.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Robert Withrow cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink III PCI In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:33:12 EDT." <199606140033.UAA18627@spooky.rwwa.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:58:11 +0100 From: Colman Reilly Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk jnoetzel@intermind.com said: > Is the above card, the 3com Etherlink III PCI supported under > -stable? I couldnt find an entry when I looked.... As far as I can tell no. I back-ported the -current driver to 2.1, and got the card working well enough to answer pings and other simple traffic, but it wouldn't do NFS or other stuff. I havn't had a chance to play with the driver. I'm told both the driver and the card are buggy. Hmm. Well's here my experience with them: I reported a few weeks ago really strange problems - 30kbps on the Etherlink III when downloading from UNIX box. Then the problem got stranger. My upload times where closer to 3Mbps. Uh? Looks like the version of the card I have and the driver just don't get on at all. So I ordered SMC cards and replaced the whole lot. They work just lovely under Windows 95, and the SMC cards give me up to 9MB throughput. My diagnosis is that the interupt for outgoing data is never caught, and the timeout code has to expire before the next packet happens. There are no interupt or other conflicts visible anywhere. Just looks like the driver and the card don't get on. The Etherlink III Pci Combo is a 3c590C revision B. Colman From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 04:58:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA11228 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wdl1.wdl.loral.com (wdl1.wdl.loral.com [137.249.32.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA11222 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.sso.loral.com (miles.wdl.loral.com) by wdl1.wdl.loral.com (5.x/WDL-2.4-1.0) id AA09326; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:57:59 -0700 Received: by miles.sso.loral.com (4.1/SSO-SUN-2.04) id AA06187; Fri, 14 Jun 96 07:56:10 EDT Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 07:56:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Toren X-Sender: rpt@miles To: Brandon Gillespie Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Compiling 'UPS' in FreeBSD.. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brandon; I think you are as stuck as I am. Back when I got my first FreeBSD release (2.0R) I tried and failed to get 2.45 to compile. At that time the problem was that the structures in the kernel and core file weren't the same as NetBsd(?). I tried for a month of so to get someone who was familiar with the internals to take a look at it without a single response. I also had patches to UPS that did C++ and we had used it for 2 years on a commercial project because it was so much better than ObjectCenter at the time. I have new patches to the 3.14 version for C++, but use them only on our Solaris machines. I haven't tried UPS 3.14 on FBSD since I expected just the problem you are having. Sorry.... ==================================================== Rip Toren | The bad news is that C++ is not an object-oriented | rpt@miles.sso.loral.com | programming language. .... The good news is that | | C++ supports object-oriented programming. | | C++ Programming & Fundamental Concepts | | by Anderson & Heinze | ==================================================== On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Brandon Gillespie wrote: > Ok, I've grabbed the latest ups source and attempted to compile it. I > have managed to get it to the point of linking, at which point it bombs > when trying to link to certain functions (which it 'in theory' defines). > As I've reached whits end this evening I'm wondering if anybody else has > attempted to compile it (successfully or no). There was a few problems > of searched directories (fixed in the Makefile), a problem where a > #define somewhere outside of the ups code of 'DT_UNKNOWN' was conflicing > with an enum, and another problem where it did a simple test for BSD and > then attempted to #include . > > Thanks for any help rendered.. > > -Brandon Gillespie (he who is tired of not having a nice debugger)- > From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 09:06:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA25045 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tombstone.sunrem.com (tombstone.sunrem.com [206.81.134.54]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25039 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from brandon@localhost) by tombstone.sunrem.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA15422; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:06:24 -0600 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:06:23 -0600 (MDT) From: Brandon Gillespie To: Richard Toren cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Compiling 'UPS' in FreeBSD.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk With the following patch ups-3.14-beta compiles in FreeBSD 2.1-R, up to the linking point, at which it gets a few undefined symbols. I've done a little bit of tracking, but to the best of my knowledge these functions ARE compiled in... (sigh), I'll get back on this tomorrow but if any adventurous individuals wish to help I would appreciate it :) -- the death: Linking ups with gcc -O2 ... ao_aout.o: Undefined symbol `_scan_ao_symtab' referenced from text segment ao_aout.o: Undefined symbol `_do_ao_postscan_stuff' referenced from text segment ao_aout.o: Undefined symbol `_core_dread' referenced from text segment ao_aout.o: Undefined symbol `_core_dread' referenced from text segment ao_aout.o: Undefined symbol `_core_readstr' referenced from text segment *** Error code 1 Stop. -- the patch: diff -rc ups-3.14-beta.old/Makefile ups-3.14-beta/Makefile *** ups-3.14-beta.old/Makefile Mon Jun 5 04:13:42 1995 --- ups-3.14-beta/Makefile Fri Jun 14 09:51:28 1996 *************** *** 5,14 **** # You may want to edit some of the following variables. # Where to install the X11 binary ! X11BIN = /usr/local/X11 # Where to install the SunView binary ! SUNVIEWBIN = /usr/local/Sunview # Where to put the manual page MANDIR = /usr/local/man/man1 --- 5,14 ---- # You may want to edit some of the following variables. # Where to install the X11 binary ! X11BIN = /usr/local/X11R6 # Where to install the SunView binary ! #SUNVIEWBIN = /usr/local/Sunview # Where to put the manual page MANDIR = /usr/local/man/man1 *************** *** 19,33 **** # The directory where X include files live. # Comment out or change this line if you don't want # /usr/openwin/include searched ! X11INCLUDE=-I/usr/openwin/include # The arguments to cc needed to link against the Xlib library. # Change this to an explicit path (e.g. /usr/X11/lib/libX11.a) # if your Xlib lives in a place that won't be found by -lX11. ! X11LIB = -lX11 # Extra flags to pass to the build of the Wn library. ! X11WNFLAGS=INCLUDEDIRS=${X11INCLUDE} # If you want you can pass make variable assignments to the # subdirectory makefiles by uncommenting and editing the --- 19,33 ---- # The directory where X include files live. # Comment out or change this line if you don't want # /usr/openwin/include searched ! X11INCLUDE=-I/usr/X11R6/include # The arguments to cc needed to link against the Xlib library. # Change this to an explicit path (e.g. /usr/X11/lib/libX11.a) # if your Xlib lives in a place that won't be found by -lX11. ! X11LIB = "-L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11" # Extra flags to pass to the build of the Wn library. ! #X11WNFLAGS=INCLUDEDIRS=${X11INCLUDE} # If you want you can pass make variable assignments to the # subdirectory makefiles by uncommenting and editing the *************** *** 53,64 **** MAKE = make # for makes that don't do this automatically ! CC = cc ! CFLAGS = -g # Use these flags by default ! RANLIB = : ! SVR4_LINKFLAGS=-R/usr/openwin/lib -L/usr/openwin/lib LINKFLAGS = ${SVR4_LINKFLAGS} # Flags for SunOS 4.1.3 --- 53,64 ---- MAKE = make # for makes that don't do this automatically ! CC = gcc ! CFLAGS = -O2 # Use these flags by default ! RANLIB = ranlib ! #SVR4_LINKFLAGS=-R/usr/openwin/lib -L/usr/openwin/lib LINKFLAGS = ${SVR4_LINKFLAGS} # Flags for SunOS 4.1.3 diff -rc ups-3.14-beta.old/ups/ao_aout.c ups-3.14-beta/ups/ao_aout.c *** ups-3.14-beta.old/ups/ao_aout.c Wed May 24 12:22:49 1995 --- ups-3.14-beta/ups/ao_aout.c Fri Jun 14 09:50:01 1996 *************** *** 31,37 **** --- 31,41 ---- #include #include #ifndef OS_BSDI + #ifndef __FreeBSD__ #include + #else + #include + #endif #endif #ifndef OS_SUNOS diff -rc ups-3.14-beta.old/ups/ao_symparse.c ups-3.14-beta/ups/ao_symparse.c *** ups-3.14-beta.old/ups/ao_symparse.c Sun Jun 4 14:17:09 1995 --- ups-3.14-beta/ups/ao_symparse.c Fri Jun 14 09:35:36 1996 *************** *** 1569,1575 **** ++s; break; case 'J': ! dimtype = DT_UNKNOWN; ++s; break; default: --- 1569,1575 ---- ++s; break; case 'J': ! dimtype = fbsd_DT_UNKNOWN; ++s; break; default: *************** *** 1578,1584 **** } *p_dimtype = dimtype; ! *p_val = (dimtype == DT_UNKNOWN) ? 0 : parse_subrange_signed_num(&s); *p_s = s; } --- 1578,1584 ---- } *p_dimtype = dimtype; ! *p_val = (dimtype == fbsd_DT_UNKNOWN) ? 0 : parse_subrange_signed_num(&s); *p_s = s; } diff -rc ups-3.14-beta.old/ups/ci_init.c ups-3.14-beta/ups/ci_init.c *** ups-3.14-beta.old/ups/ci_init.c Sun Jun 4 14:46:31 1995 --- ups-3.14-beta/ups/ci_init.c Fri Jun 14 09:36:15 1996 *************** *** 156,162 **** initialiser->in_list = first; } ! if (dim->di_htype == DT_UNKNOWN) { dim->di_high = count - 1; dim->di_htype = DT_CONSTANT; } --- 156,162 ---- initialiser->in_list = first; } ! if (dim->di_htype == fbsd_DT_UNKNOWN) { dim->di_high = count - 1; dim->di_htype = DT_CONSTANT; } diff -rc ups-3.14-beta.old/ups/ci_util.c ups-3.14-beta/ups/ci_util.c *** ups-3.14-beta.old/ups/ci_util.c Sun Jun 4 14:47:29 1995 --- ups-3.14-beta/ups/ci_util.c Fri Jun 14 09:36:38 1996 *************** *** 452,458 **** type->ty_base = base; type->ty_dim = NEW(dim_t); type->ty_dim->di_ltype = DT_CONSTANT; ! type->ty_dim->di_htype = (expr != NULL) ? DT_CONSTANT : DT_UNKNOWN; type->ty_dim->di_low = 0; type->ty_dim->di_type = ci_code_to_type(TY_INT); if (expr != NULL) { --- 452,458 ---- type->ty_base = base; type->ty_dim = NEW(dim_t); type->ty_dim->di_ltype = DT_CONSTANT; ! type->ty_dim->di_htype = (expr != NULL) ? DT_CONSTANT : fbsd_DT_UNKNOWN; type->ty_dim->di_low = 0; type->ty_dim->di_type = ci_code_to_type(TY_INT); if (expr != NULL) { diff -rc ups-3.14-beta.old/ups/symtab.h ups-3.14-beta/ups/symtab.h *** ups-3.14-beta.old/ups/symtab.h Sun Jun 4 14:25:36 1995 --- ups-3.14-beta/ups/symtab.h Fri Jun 14 09:59:55 1996 *************** *** 156,162 **** DT_CONSTANT, /* Compile-time bounds */ DT_FPREL, /* Runtime bound, stored at fp+offset */ DT_APREL, /* Runtime bound, stored at ap+offset */ ! DT_UNKNOWN /* Runtime bound, not known */ } Dimtype; /* Array size description. For C, the type of the range must be int --- 156,164 ---- DT_CONSTANT, /* Compile-time bounds */ DT_FPREL, /* Runtime bound, stored at fp+offset */ DT_APREL, /* Runtime bound, stored at ap+offset */ ! fbsd_DT_UNKNOWN /* Runtime bound, not known */ ! /* FreeBSD defines DT_UNKNOWN in sys/dirent.h as ! something else all together, BJG */ } Dimtype; /* Array size description. For C, the type of the range must be int diff -rc ups-3.14-beta.old/ups/va_type.c ups-3.14-beta/ups/va_type.c *** ups-3.14-beta.old/ups/va_type.c Sun Jun 4 14:29:11 1995 --- ups-3.14-beta/ups/va_type.c Fri Jun 14 09:36:53 1996 *************** *** 241,247 **** addr = ap + offset; break; ! case DT_UNKNOWN: *p_val_known = FALSE; return; --- 241,247 ---- addr = ap + offset; break; ! case fbsd_DT_UNKNOWN: *p_val_known = FALSE; return; From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 09:20:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA25724 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cd.iidpwr.com ([204.33.177.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25707 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tam@localhost) by cd.iidpwr.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA18728; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:21:54 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:21:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Tam To: helg@tav.kiev.ua cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Digiboard Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Oleg, I am having a very interesting situation. The baud rate on my old DigiBoard, which utilizes 16450 chips, can be as high as 115200. But the highest baud rate on my new DigiBoard PC/8e is only 57600. I understand the PC/8e is "intelligent." So I assume the baud rate should be higher too. Is that assumption correct? By the way, could you tell me what is the differnece between PC/8e and old DigiBoard? What does "intelligent" refer to? What is the maximum baud rate on PC/8e? Yours truly, Tony Tam +------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Tony Tam | Imperial Irrigation District | | Imperial Irrigation District | 333 E. Barioni Blvd. | | email: tam@cd.iidpwr.com | P.O. BOX 937 | | tel: (619) 339 9454 | Imperial, CA 92251 | | fax: (619) 339 9189 | U.S.A. | +------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 10:29:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA29689 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29661 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02174 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:29:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199606141729.MAA02174@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 to: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: slocal and duplicate messages 8) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:07:42 MST." <8527.834739662@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:29:10 -0500 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of "Jordan K. Hubbard" : > > Okay, I just probably didn't spot right away... At any rate, it is working > > fine over . So crossposters, beware I will only get one message from > > you !! 8) > > Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work for me. I reinstalled MH, just > to make sure, and touched a $HOME/.maildelivery.db file, which has not > changed size from 0 since. Was there some other step involved? :-) > > Jordan Has anyone managed to get working the slocal option of suppressing duplicate messages? Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 11:00:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA03292 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nike.efn.org (gurney_j@garcia.efn.org [198.68.17.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03284 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gurney_j@localhost) by nike.efn.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA00872; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 00:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 00:57:31 -0700 (PDT) From: John-Mark Gurney Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney To: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: has union mount been fixed? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm wondering because right now I'm running 2.2-960323-SNAP... and I'm getting some interesting behavior... basicly I have made a cd of part of my anon ftp site but want to contiue to be able to add and modify it (union is perfect for this) so I mount the cd: mount -t cd9660 /dev/cd1a /mnt then because the cd is a read-only file system I can't do: mount -t union /usr/anon /mnt/anon (which I really don't want to do because of what would happen) but instead do this: mount_union -b /mnt /usr which then produces this line in df: /mnt 1246647 1096524 78569 93% /usr which is what is should be as /usr and /mnt are: /dev/sd0s1f 894431 744308 78569 90% /usr /dev/cd1a 352216 352216 0 100% /mnt now the wierd thing happens... the directories and files are not "passed up" from the lower file system when I do an ls... I just get an empty directory... but when I try to read the file... it does exist... so the requests are being passed to the lower file system... just not upon look up... could this have anything to do with caching node info? and not cleaning it when it gets changed? I'm running on 24megs of ram and this is basicly a personal machine so there is very little (if any) swapping that happens... it's cpu is a Amd 5x86-133-P75T (that is the full name I believe) but it actually outperforms a friends P90 using sysinfo (norton's)... I'm using a Bt946c, a conner CFP1060S 1gig drive for /usr, /, /var, and swap... the cdrom drive is a Chinon cds-535... thanks for all your help... TTYL.. John-Mark gurney_j@efn.org http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Modem/FAX: (541) 683-6954 (FreeBSD Box) Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD (unix) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 11:27:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA05268 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05261 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA13670; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:27:14 -0700 (PDT) To: John-Mark Gurney cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: has union mount been fixed? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 14 Jun 1996 00:57:31 PDT." Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:27:13 -0700 Message-ID: <13668.834776833@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm wondering because right now I'm running 2.2-960323-SNAP... and I'm > getting some interesting behavior... basicly I have made a cd of part of I'm not surprised. :-) The union filesystem code is broken and has been broken for a long time. It is written in ancient legend that one day the great Hsu will arise again, bearing 4.4 Lite2 integration patches and paving the way for unionfs's eventually return! On when this day might come, however, the legend grows murky and vague! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 11:59:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA07128 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07121 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tav.kiev.ua (tav-sita.sita.kiev.ua [193.124.50.39]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id LAA22530 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from helg@localhost) by tav.kiev.ua (8.6.12/5) id VAA14305; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:46:17 +0300 To: tam@cd.iidpwr.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org References: From: Oleg N Panashchenko Organization: Maxis Labs Date: Fri, 14 Jun 96 21:46:16 +0300 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Digiboard X-Mailer: BML [UNIX Beauty Mail v.1.39] Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I am having a very interesting situation. The baud rate on my old > DigiBoard, which utilizes 16450 chips, can be as high as 115200. But the > highest baud rate on my new DigiBoard PC/8e is only 57600. I have reports from people, who successfully use Digiboard PC/Xe at 115200. Please be more specific: what experiment resuled in this conclusion? The most correct experiment in my mind is the following: 1. Plug modem to COM1 (usual 16450) and say: $ cu -l /dev/cuaa1 -s 115200 ATZ and see OK 2. Plug modem to the first port of Digiboard and see something different $ cu -l /dev/cuaD00 -s 115200 .... Note that 115200 is not supported by low-speed MODEMS. Usually v34 (28800) modems are capable to talk with COM port at speed <=115200 v32bis (14400) modems <=57600 v22bis (2400) modems <=9600 So, look at your modem manual to verify that it can talk at 115200. > I understand > the PC/8e is "intelligent." So I assume the baud rate should be higher > too. Is that assumption correct? By the way, could you tell me what is > the differnece between PC/8e and old DigiBoard? What does "intelligent" > refer to? Main benefit of intelligent Digi is that it does not load your main CPU as much, as board with many 16450 chips. As a result, your box can handle more incoming connections simultaneously at higher speeds. To receive a byte from 16450 chip you need to service one interrupt request. Typical computer can handle about 10K serial interrups per second = 80000 bps total - on all ports (hackers, please, correct me if I'm wrong). At the other side, with intelligent Digi data is buffered in the board memory (several K bytes per channel), so they can be transferred to PC memory much more efficiently - it is no problem to serve 16 or even more high speed modems with this board. > What is the maximum baud rate on PC/8e? 115200 > Tony Tam > > +------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ > | Tony Tam | Imperial Irrigation District | > | Imperial Irrigation District | 333 E. Barioni Blvd. | > | email: tam@cd.iidpwr.com | P.O. BOX 937 | > | tel: (619) 339 9454 | Imperial, CA 92251 | > | fax: (619) 339 9189 | U.S.A. | > +------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Oleg From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 11:59:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA07161 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07155 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tav.kiev.ua (tav-sita.sita.kiev.ua [193.124.50.39]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id LAA22538 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from helg@localhost) by tav.kiev.ua (8.6.12/5) id VAA14360; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:48:45 +0300 To: tam@cd.iidpwr.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org References: From: Oleg N Panashchenko Organization: Maxis Labs Date: Fri, 14 Jun 96 21:48:44 +0300 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Digiboard X-Mailer: BML [UNIX Beauty Mail v.1.39] Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk 1. Plug modem to COM1 (usual 16450) and say: $ cu -l /dev/cuaa1 -s 115200 ^^^ Sorry, this shoud be cuaa0 Oleg From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 12:24:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA09402 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09395 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA07816; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606141922.MAA07816@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: lestat.nas.nasa.gov: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: John-Mark Gurney , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: has union mount been fixed? Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:21:58 -0700 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:27:13 -0700 "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > I'm not surprised. :-) The union filesystem code is broken and has > been broken for a long time. It is written in ancient legend that one > day the great Hsu will arise again, bearing 4.4 Lite2 integration > patches and paving the way for unionfs's eventually return! On when > this day might come, however, the legend grows murky and vague! :-) John Kohl has done a lot of work on the union filesystem for us NetBSD folk. Might take a look at it. -- save the ancient forests - http://www.bayarea.net/~thorpej/forest/ -- Jason R. Thorpe thorpej@nas.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center Home: 408.866.1912 NAS: M/S 258-6 Work: 415.604.0935 Moffett Field, CA 94035 Pager: 415.428.6939 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 14:59:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA22601 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from julian@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA22588 for hackers; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:59:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199606142159.OAA22588@freefall.freebsd.org> To: hackers Subject: unexpected gcc behaviour in freebsd? Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The following program doesn't do what I expected.. is this right? I spent an hour chasing a problem in a driver because of this... > cat x.c #include unsigned short a,b; main() { unsigned short a,b; a = 0; b = ~a; if ( b == ~a) { printf("expected result\n"); } else { printf("unexpected result\n"); } exit(0); } > cc x.c > ./a.out unexpected result > the operation ~a seems to promote to LONG which causes odd behaviour.. certainly seems broken to me.. anyone have 2.7.2 to check this on.. gcc on freefall seems to do the unexpected thing.. julian . From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 15:58:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA28878 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28849 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cd.iidpwr.com ([204.33.177.3]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA10815 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:59:59 -0700 Received: from cd.iidpwr.com (cd.iidpwr.com [204.33.177.3]) by cd.iidpwr.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA19992; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:55:52 -0700 Message-ID: <31C1D1D7.41C67EA6@cd.iidpwr.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:55:51 -0700 From: Tony Tam Organization: Imperial Irrigation District X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: helg@tav.kiev.ua CC: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Digiboard References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Oleg N Panashchenko wrote: > > > I am having a very interesting situation. The baud rate on my old > > DigiBoard, which utilizes 16450 chips, can be as high as 115200. But the > > highest baud rate on my new DigiBoard PC/8e is only 57600. > > I have reports from people, who successfully use Digiboard PC/Xe at 115200. > > Please be more specific: what experiment resuled in this conclusion? Here is the experiment I did with my old DigiBoard: I am using a Practical Peripherals PM288MTII V.34 modem. The maximum baud rate of the modem is 115200. bash# cu -l /dev/cuaa5 -s 115200 Connected. at&v ACTIVE PROFILE: DTE:115200 8N1 DCE: B16 B1 E1 L1 M1 N1 P Q0 V1 W0 X4 Y0 &A0 &B1 &C1 &D2 &G0 &K3 &Q5 &R0 &S0 &U0 &Y0 S00:001 S01:000 S02:043 S03:013 S04:010 S05:008 S06:002 S07:090 S08:002 S09:006 S10:014 S11:095 S12:050 S25:005 S26:001 S30:000 S36:007 S37:015 S38:020 S43:000 S46:002 S48:007 S63:000 S82:128 S86:000 S95:000 S101:000 S108:001 S109:4095 S110:006 STORED PROFILE 0: B16 B1 E1 L1 M1 N1 P Q0 V1 W0 X4 Y0 &A0 &B1 &C1 &D2 &G0 &K3 &Q5 &R0 &S0 &U0 S00:001 S02:043 S06:002 S07:090 S08:002 S09:006 S10:014 S11:095 S12:050 S25:005 S26:001 S30:000 S36:007 S37:015 S38:020 S46:002 S48:007 S63:000 S82:128 S95:000 S101:000 S108:001 S109:4095 S110:006 STORED PROFILE 1: B16 B1 E1 L1 M1 N1 P Q0 V1 W0 X4 Y0 &A0 &B1 &C1 &D2 &G0 &K3 &Q5 &R0 &S0 &U0 S00:001 S02:043 S06:002 S07:090 S08:002 S09:006 S10:014 S11:095 S12:050 S25:005 S26:001 S30:000 S36:007 S37:015 S38:020 S46:002 S48:007 S63:000 S82:128 S95:000 S101:000 S108:001 S109:4095 S110:006 TELEPHONE NUMBERS: &Z0= &Z1= &Z2= &Z3= OK Result: I got all the parameters of my modem and "OK" prompt back. Here is the experiment I did with PC/8e: I am using the same modem as above. bash# cu -l /dev/cuaD000 -s 115200 Connected. at (no respond) Result: I don't get any respond back from the modem. No OK prompt. Here is the second experiment with the PC/8e and the same modem, but lower speed: bash# cu -l /dev/cuaD000 -s 57600 Connected. at&v ACTIVE PROFILE: DTE:57600 8N1 DCE: B16 B1 E1 L1 M1 N1 P Q0 V1 W0 X4 Y0 &A0 &B1 &C1 &D2 &G0 &K3 &Q5 &R0 &S0 &U0 &Y0 S00:001 S01:000 S02:043 S03:013 S04:010 S05:008 S06:002 S07:090 S08:002 S09:006 S10:014 S11:095 S12:050 S25:005 S26:001 S30:000 S36:007 S37:015 S38:020 S43:000 S46:002 S48:007 S63:000 S82:128 S86:000 S95:000 S101:000 S108:001 S109:4095 S110:006 STORED PROFILE 0: B16 B1 E1 L1 M1 N1 P Q0 V1 W0 X4 Y0 &A0 &B1 &C1 &D2 &G0 &K3 &Q5 &R0 &S0 &U0 S00:001 S02:043 S06:002 S07:090 S08:002 S09:006 S10:014 S11:095 S12:050 S25:005 S26:001 S30:000 S36:007 S37:015 S38:020 S46:002 S48:007 S63:000 S82:128 S95:000 S101:000 S108:001 S109:4095 S110:006 STORED PROFILE 1: B16 B1 E1 L1 M1 N1 P Q0 V1 W0 X4 Y0 &A0 &B1 &C1 &D2 &G0 &K3 &Q5 &R0 &S0 &U0 S00:001 S02:043 S06:002 S07:090 S08:002 S09:006 S10:014 S11:095 S12:050 S25:005 S26:001 S30:000 S36:007 S37:015 S38:020 S46:002 S48:007 S63:000 S82:128 S95:000 S101:000 S108:001 S109:4095 S110:006 TELEPHONE NUMBERS: &Z0= &Z1= &Z2= &Z3= OK Result: I got all the parameters of my modem and "OK" prompt back. I draw my conclusion based on the above experiments. -- Yours truly, Tony Tam +------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Tony Tam | Imperial Irrigation District | | Imperial Irrigation District | 333 E. Barioni Blvd. | | email: tam@cd.iidpwr.com | P.O. BOX 937 | | tel: (619) 339 9454 | Imperial, CA 92251 | | fax: (619) 339 9189 | U.S.A. | +------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 19:58:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15984 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15977 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA00744; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606150258.TAA00744@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: slocal and duplicate messages 8) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:07:42 PDT." <8527.834739662@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:58:01 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of "Jordan K. Hubbard" : > > Okay, I just probably didn't spot right away... At any rate, it is working > > fine over . So crossposters, beware I will only get one message from > > you !! 8) > > Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work for me. I reinstalled MH, just > to make sure, and touched a $HOME/.maildelivery.db file, which has not > changed size from 0 since. Was there some other step involved? :-) > I think I found the missing mh link !!! Try this: Create a .forward in your home directory and add this line to it: "| /usr/local/lib/mh/slocal -user your_login" In my case I have: cat .forward "| /usr/local/lib/mh/slocal -user hasty" Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 20:33:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA18685 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (root@morrison-c20.aa.net [204.157.220.152]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA18665 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (smpatel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA02113; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:32:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: Jason Thorpe cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , John-Mark Gurney , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: has union mount been fixed? In-Reply-To: <199606141922.MAA07816@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Jason Thorpe wrote: > John Kohl has done a lot of work on the union filesystem for us NetBSD > folk. Might take a look at it. I have NetBSD's unionfs work ported to FreeBSD if anyone wants the patches.. I'm not going to commit them because it would just make Jeff's job even harder if I commit that stuff now. Sujal From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 22:33:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA26540 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA26534 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id WAA13182 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:33:52 -0700 Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA23723; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:32:30 -0600 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:32:30 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199606150532.XAA23723@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Quick-Time viewer? Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there such a thing for FreeBSD? How about a QT -> mpeg converter? There are some files for a MAC my co-workers create, and we'd like to be able to demo them with a PC running FreeBSD on the road, but I don't know of any way of viewing a Quick-Time movie, and everything I see appears to be pretty MAC-centric. Thanks! Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 22:46:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA27105 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27100 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA16393; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:45:29 -0700 (PDT) To: Nate Williams cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Quick-Time viewer? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:32:30 MDT." <199606150532.XAA23723@rocky.sri.MT.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:45:28 -0700 Message-ID: <16391.834817528@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk xanim conquers all! :-) > Is there such a thing for FreeBSD? How about a QT -> mpeg converter? > > There are some files for a MAC my co-workers create, and we'd like to be > able to demo them with a PC running FreeBSD on the road, but I don't > know of any way of viewing a Quick-Time movie, and everything I see > appears to be pretty MAC-centric. > > Thanks! > > > Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 22:58:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA27789 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27782 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id WAA25537 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA23762; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:53:38 -0600 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:53:38 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199606150553.XAA23762@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Nate Williams , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Quick-Time viewer? In-Reply-To: <16391.834817528@time.cdrom.com> References: <199606150532.XAA23723@rocky.sri.MT.net> <16391.834817528@time.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ QT for FreeBSD ] > xanim conquers all! :-) Not all unfortunately! QT Video Codec: Radius Cinepak depth=24 is unsupported by this executable. *sigh* Thanks for the hint though. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 23:11:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA28864 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (root@orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA28858 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (scanner@localhost) by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA24159; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 02:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 02:11:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Watson To: Nate Williams cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Quick-Time viewer? In-Reply-To: <199606150532.XAA23723@rocky.sri.MT.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Nate Williams wrote: > Is there such a thing for FreeBSD? How about a QT -> mpeg converter? > > There are some files for a MAC my co-workers create, and we'd like to be > able to demo them with a PC running FreeBSD on the road, but I don't > know of any way of viewing a Quick-Time movie, and everything I see > appears to be pretty MAC-centric. in the /packages/graphics directory there is a package called xanim it play's QT's. I think Chris -- ===================================| Webspan Inc., ISP Division. FreeBSD 2.1.0 is available now! | Phone: 908-367-8030 ext. 126 -----------------------------------| 500 West Kennedy Blvd., Lakewood, NJ-08701 Turning PCs into Workstations | E-Mail: scanner@webspan.net http://www.freebsd.org | SysAdmin / Network Engineer / Security ===================================| Member BSDNET team! http://www.bsdnet.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 14 23:29:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA00595 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00581 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA08477; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 16:28:11 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199606150658.QAA08477@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Quick-Time viewer? To: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 16:28:10 +0930 (CST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199606150532.XAA23723@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Jun 14, 96 11:32:30 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams stands accused of saying: > > Is there such a thing for FreeBSD? How about a QT -> mpeg converter? > > There are some files for a MAC my co-workers create, and we'd like to be > able to demo them with a PC running FreeBSD on the road, but I don't > know of any way of viewing a Quick-Time movie, and everything I see > appears to be pretty MAC-centric. 'xanim' from the ports collection seems to work OK here. > Nate -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 01:23:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA08126 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 01:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bacchus.eng.umd.edu (bacchus.eng.umd.edu [129.2.94.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA08121 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 01:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.8.22.159] (annex8-15.dial.umd.edu [128.8.22.159]) by bacchus.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA25648 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:23:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: crb@bacchus.eng.umd.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:23:42 -0400 To: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org From: crb@glue.umd.edu (Christopher R. Bowman) Subject: RFC on L.W Jolite books Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anybody have a review or comment on the following two books? How relevant would these be? Operating Systems Source Code Secrets (The 386 Bsd Operating System Reference, Vol 1) by L.W Jolite Volume 1 Hardcover List: $49.95 -- Amazon.com Price: $49.95 Published by Peer to Peer Communications Publication date: February 1, 1996 ISBN: 1573980269 Virtual Memory System Source Code Secrets (The 386 Bsd Operating System Reference, Vol 2) by L. W. Jolite Volume 2 Hardcover List: $44.95 -- Amazon.com Price: $44.95 Published by Peer to Peer Communications Publication date: June 1996 ISBN: 1573980277 --------- Christopher R. Bowman crb@eng.umd.edu My home page From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 01:37:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA08898 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 01:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA08892 for hackers; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 01:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 01:37:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199606150837.BAA08892@freefall.freebsd.org> To: hackers Subject: Re: has union mount been fixed? Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk There is an up to date Lite2 diff against -current as of 1 hour ago in http://www.freebsd.org/~hsu/diff.6-15. We need someone to merge in NFS and to help in debugging. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 03:52:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA15933 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 03:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA15926 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 03:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA08350; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 20:50:07 +1000 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 20:50:07 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199606151050.UAA08350@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: helg@tav.kiev.ua, tam@cd.iidpwr.com Subject: Re: Digiboard Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Main benefit of intelligent Digi is that it does not load your main CPU >as much, as board with many 16450 chips. As a result, your box can handle >more incoming connections simultaneously at higher speeds. To receive a byte >from 16450 chip you need to service one interrupt request. Typical >computer can handle about 10K serial interrups per second = 80000 bps total - >on all ports (hackers, please, correct me if I'm wrong). What's a typical computer? :-) A 486/33 running FreeBSD can handle about 50K 16450-serial interrupts/second in raw mode = slightly more than 4 * 115200 bps total = slightly more than 2 lines at 115200 bidirectional. 2 lines at 115200 or 8 lines at 28800 (average) is a reasonable practical limit, since 4 lines at 115200 might take all the cpu. Cooked mode input has a much higher overhead (5-10 times, so 0 lines at 115200 is a reasonable practical limit :-). A 386/20 can handle about 20K 16450-serial interrupts/second. 16550 UARTs reduce interrupts by a factor of 15. They only reduce the total overhead by a factor of about 3 on a 486/33, because i/o and software overheads are quite large. The reduction is a smaller factor on slower machines and a larger factor on faster machines. On very fast machines, the overhead is dominated by i/o overhead. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 05:22:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA22646 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 05:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA22636 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 05:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id OAA04461; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 14:21:22 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id OAA09907; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 14:20:58 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA01659; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 14:06:28 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199606151206.OAA01659@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: 2.2-SNAPSHOT CDROM (boot problem) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 14:06:28 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: didier@omnix.fr.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "didier@omnix.fr.org" at "Jun 14, 96 09:58:00 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As didier@omnix.fr.org wrote: > I can force the aha2940 to boot from sd2 but the kernel mount sd0 root > instead of sd2 > > sd(2,a)/kernel > > gives me: > > Errors C:0 H:0 S:0 2:sd(2,a)/kernel should help. You need a fairly recent bootstrap on sd0 however. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 05:47:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA23322 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 05:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA23317 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 05:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allegro.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0uUujo-000QaYC; Sat, 15 Jun 96 14:46 MET DST From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA00575 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 14:28:14 +0200 Message-Id: <199606151228.OAA00575@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Mods for netstat To: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 13:45:23 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm currently following a problem with broadcast messages, and discover that netstat -r doesn't indicate whether the route is a broadcast address or not. At the same time, I discover that the man page claims to flag black holes, but the mod must have fallen into a black hole... Here are a couple of patches which address both these points. Is there a more formal way of submitting this sort of thing? Greg RCS file: RCS/route.c,v retrieving revision 1.15 diff -wu -r1.15 route.c --- route.c 1996/06/10 21:03:38 1.15 +++ route.c 1996/06/15 11:41:59 @@ -96,6 +96,8 @@ { RTF_WASCLONED,'W' }, { RTF_PRCLONING,'c' }, { RTF_PROTO3, '3' }, + { RTF_BLACKHOLE,'B' }, + { RTF_BROADCAST,'b' }, { 0 } }; RCS file: RCS/netstat.1,v retrieving revision 1.8 diff -wu -r1.8 netstat.1 --- netstat.1 1996/06/08 00:54:18 1.8 +++ netstat.1 1996/06/15 11:41:42 @@ -231,6 +231,7 @@ 2 RTF_PROTO1 Protocol specific routing flag #2 3 RTF_PROTO3 Protocol specific routing flag #3 B RTF_BLACKHOLE Just discard pkts (during updates) +b RTF_BROADCAST The route represents a broadcast address C RTF_CLONING Generate new routes on use c RTF_PRCLONING Protocol-specified generate new routes on use D RTF_DYNAMIC Created dynamically (by redirect) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 06:07:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA24061 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 06:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA24047 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 06:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA12653; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 23:04:02 +1000 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 23:04:02 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199606151304.XAA12653@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: cimaxp1!jb@werple.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Nonblocking writes to pipes hang Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >We're having problems with non-blocking writes to pipes under >FreeBSD 2.1R and 2.2-current (supped middle of last week). The >test program (below) gives the following results: >... >The program on either FreeBSD 2.1R or 2.2-current just hangs. >Only a kill -9 will interrupt it. >Can anyone explain what is going on? Writes of >= 8192 bytes are just broken. pipe_direct_write() is called in this case and it never checks the PIPE_NBIO flag. Pipes of size < 8191 probably work but are considerably less efficient. On a P133 with I586_FAST_BCOPY and a profiling kernel, I get about 30MB/sec through pipes with block sizes in the range 4K to 8K-1 and about 54M/sec for a block size of 8K. The max is about 64M/sec for a block size of 16K. Non-profiling kernels are slightly faster (up to 68MB/sec). The maximum speed of bcopy on this system is about 77MB/sec. My pipe throughput test program shows another interesting pipe bug. When WORK_AROUND_FREEBSD_BUGS is not defined, the reader sometimes hangs waiting for EOF even though the writer has closed the pipe (or has exited). This is caused by last-close semantics being broken as designed. The fileops close function only gets called when both the reader and the writer have closed the pipe. Thus if the reader is waiting for input and the writer dies, the pipe code doesn't get notified and the reader continues waiting for input that can never arrive. For named pipes, input can arrive, but reads still block for too long. POSIX.1 requires that reads unblock when the pipe is closed by all processes that had it open for writing. FreeBSD's bidirectional pipes seem to fix the problem for the wrong reason - it is impossible to close a read/write descriptor while you're reading from it, so it is impossible for all writers to close a pipe that you're reading from. Bruce #if 0 #define DEBUG #endif #define WORK_AROUND_FREEBSD_BUGS #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include static sig_atomic_t caught; #ifdef DEBUG static pid_t child; #endif static char *progname; static void catch(int sig) { #ifdef DEBUG fprintf(stderr, "pid %ld caught signal %d\n", child, sig); #endif caught = 1; } static void usage(void) { fprintf(stderr, "usage: %s [blocksize [timefor]]\n", progname); exit(1); } int main(int argc, char **argv) { size_t blocksize; void *buf; #ifndef DEBUG pid_t child; #endif char *ep; int errs; int fd[2]; ssize_t nread; ssize_t nwritten; struct timeval start, finish; int status; unsigned timefor; long long totread; double tottime; long long totwritten; unsigned long ulblocksize; unsigned long ultimefor; progname = argv[0]; if (argc < 1 || argc >= 4) usage(); blocksize = 4096; if (argc >= 2) { ulblocksize = strtoul(argv[1], &ep, 0); if (ulblocksize == 0 || ulblocksize > INT_MAX) { fprintf(stderr, "%s: invalid blocksize %lu\n", progname, ulblocksize); } blocksize = ulblocksize; } timefor = 1; if (argc >= 3) { ultimefor = strtoul(argv[2], &ep, 0); if (ultimefor == 0 || ultimefor > INT_MAX) { fprintf(stderr, "%s: invalid timefor %lu\n", progname, ultimefor); } timefor = ultimefor; } buf = malloc(blocksize); if (buf == NULL) { perror("malloc"); exit(1); } memset(buf, 0, blocksize); if (signal(SIGALRM, catch) == SIG_ERR) { perror("signal"); exit(1); } if (pipe(fd) != 0) { perror("pipe"); exit(1); } #ifdef WORK_AROUND_FREEBSD_BUGS if (siginterrupt(SIGALRM, 1) != 0) { perror("signal"); exit(1); } #endif if (gettimeofday(&start, (struct timezone *) NULL) != 0) { perror("gettimeofday"); exit(1); } switch (child = fork()) { case -1: perror("fork"); exit(1); case 0: if (alarm(timefor) != 0) { perror("child alarm"); exit(1); } totread = 0; while (!caught) { nread = read(fd[0], buf, blocksize); if (nread <= 0) { if (nread < 0 && (nread != -1 || !caught || errno != EINTR)) { perror("read"); exit(1); } #ifdef DEBUG if (nread == -1 && errno == EINTR) fprintf(stderr, "%s: child EINTR\n", progname); #endif break; } totread += nread; } if (gettimeofday(&finish, (struct timezone *) NULL) != 0) { perror("gettimeofday"); exit(1); } tottime = finish.tv_sec - start.tv_sec + (finish.tv_usec - start.tv_usec) * 1e-6; fprintf(stdout, "blocksize %u : read %qd bytes in %.6f seconds\n", blocksize, totread, tottime); #ifdef DEBUG fprintf(stderr, "%s: child exiting\n", progname); #endif exit(0); default: errs = 0; if (alarm(timefor) != 0) { perror("parent alarm"); ++errs; goto out; } totwritten= 0; while (!caught) { nwritten = write(fd[1], buf, blocksize); if (nwritten <= 0) { if (nwritten != -1 || !caught || errno != EINTR) { fprintf(stderr, "%s: wrote %d\n", progname, nwritten); perror("write"); ++errs; } break; } totwritten += nwritten; } out: if (close(fd[0]) != 0) { perror("close"); ++errs; } if (close(fd[1]) != 0) { perror("close"); ++errs; } #ifdef DEBUG fprintf(stderr, "%s: parent waiting\n", progname); #endif if (waitpid(child, &status, 0) != child) { perror("wait"); ++errs; } else if (!WIFEXITED(status) || WEXITSTATUS(status) != 0) { fprintf(stderr, "%s: bad exit status %x\n", progname, status); ++errs; } #ifdef DEBUG fprintf(stderr, "totwritten = %qd\n", totwritten); #endif exit(errs == 0 ? 0 : 1); } } From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 06:23:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA24456 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 06:23:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA24447 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 06:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id PAA05884; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 15:22:09 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id PAA10378; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 15:22:01 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA02635; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 15:12:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199606151312.PAA02635@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Need Information To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 15:12:31 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: rishim@teil.soft.net (Rishi Gautam) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <9606142253.AA01353@teil.soft.net> from Rishi Gautam at "Jun 14, 96 02:53:08 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Rishi Gautam wrote: > How do i create a new kernel global variables? int new_variable; somewhere in a kernel source file. > How do set those variables from user prcocess? You don't. They are kernel variables. (Actually, you can hack through the kernel via /dev/mem, but it's not recommendable.) The regular access to the kernel from a user program is via a system call, so the kernel can maintain control. You might consider the sysctl library function as well. > How do I enable the kernel debugger in the FreeBSD? Do I need to options DDB in the kernel config file. > install some packeage or do I have to recompile the kernel with setting > some kernel configuration variable? You should read the section about kernel debugging in the handbook. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 06:23:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA24482 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 06:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA24473 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 06:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id PAA05870; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 15:21:56 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id PAA10375; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 15:21:49 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA02701; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 15:16:55 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199606151316.PAA02701@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: paging activity on Adaptec 1542B To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 15:16:55 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: peppe@unipg.it (Giuseppe Vitillaro) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <9606120933.AA11213@egeo.unipg.it> from Giuseppe Vitillaro at "Jun 12, 96 11:33:26 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Giuseppe Vitillaro wrote: > Jun 11 19:26:04 phoenix /kernel: swap_pager_finish: I/O error, clean of page 2e7000 failed > Jun 11 19:26:04 phoenix /kernel: sd0(aha0:0:0): timed out > Jun 11 19:26:04 phoenix /kernel: adapter not taking commands.. frozen?! > Jun 11 19:26:05 phoenix /kernel: Debugger("aha1542") called. > Any idea on what may be wrong? I suspect a SW problem, but > may be at the same time an HW problem. With so many machines on the world working well with the AHA154X, i would suspect a hardware problem (perhaps something regarding bad termination). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 06:40:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA25126 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 06:40:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA25121 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 06:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA02554; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 08:40:32 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199606151340.IAA02554@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Quick-Time viewer? To: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 08:40:32 -0500 (EST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, nate@sri.MT.net, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606150553.XAA23762@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Jun 14, 96 11:53:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > [ QT for FreeBSD ] > > > xanim conquers all! :-) > > Not all unfortunately! > > QT Video Codec: Radius Cinepak depth=24 is unsupported by this executable. > > *sigh* Thanks for the hint though. > All you have to do is go to the original FTP site, and find the radius cinepak binary (.o) (they originally said that it worked only on NetBSD, and now admit to it working on FreeBSD -- but I knew all along, because I just blindly tried it a year or so ago), and follow their instructions. Voila ( I don't know how to make an a with an acute accent on my keyboard) -- it works!!! I can watch the toystory trailer, married with children clips, and merrie melodies clips/gifs -- all of the intellectual material that I want!!! John From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 08:27:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA29642 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 08:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maelstrom.CC.McGill.CA (maelstrom.CC.McGill.CA [132.206.35.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA29635 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 08:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from yves@localhost) by maelstrom.CC.McGill.CA (8.7.1/8.6.10) id LAA18470; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:25:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Yves Lepage Message-Id: <199606151525.LAA18470@maelstrom.CC.McGill.CA> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: IBM HD's Cc: yves@maelstrom.CC.McGill.CA Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, During my attemps to install FreeBSD on some 50 machines for one of the Inet96 workshops, I had to fight with a few of these machines which had one of these two kind of HD: - IBM-DALA - Quantum Fireball I could partition the disks no problem and I could do a bad block scan with also no problem. Problems began when I created the Unix filesystems. First, I'd get an error message that FreeBSD couldn't swap on wd0s2b because the device is not configured. Then, the creation of a filesystem on wd0a would fail. Just as if the labeler didn't know how to access these disks. I suspect that these two disks have a strange controller (IDE). Did anyone encounter this kind of problem before and if so, what did they do to solve it? Thanks a lot, Yves Lepage PS: yes I did play with the geometry parameters but that didn't do anything. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 09:01:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA01512 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01502 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA20614; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:01:25 -0700 (PDT) To: Yves Lepage cc: hackers@freebsd.org, yves@maelstrom.CC.McGill.CA Subject: Re: IBM HD's In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:25:53 EDT." <199606151525.LAA18470@maelstrom.CC.McGill.CA> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:01:25 -0700 Message-ID: <20612.834854485@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > - Quantum Fireball I can also verify this one - we had a machine at the office with one of these drives in it (before it was torn apart for scrap :-) and we never could get FreeBSD to install on it. Exact same symptoms. I never did figure out what was going on and the machine is history now so I never will.. Hmmmm. I wonder if the output of `boot -v' would be helpful. FreeBSD is clearly not happy with its attempts to write on this drive, there must be something "special" about it! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 09:22:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA02433 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02428 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id LAA00228; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:21:53 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199606151621.LAA00228@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Quick-Time viewer? To: toor@dyson.iquest.net (John S. Dyson) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:21:53 -0500 (EST) Cc: nate@sri.MT.net, jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606151340.IAA02554@dyson.iquest.net> from "John S. Dyson" at Jun 15, 96 08:40:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > cinepak binary (.o) (they originally said that it worked only on NetBSD, and > now admit to it working on FreeBSD -- but I knew all along, because I just > blindly tried it a year or so ago), and follow their instructions. Voila ( > I don't know how to make an a with an acute accent on my keyboard) -- ^^^^^ I meant grave... > it works!!! I can watch the toystory trailer, married with children > clips, and merrie melodies clips/gifs -- all of the intellectual material > that I want!!! > > John > > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 09:26:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA02631 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02625 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA24715; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 10:26:28 -0600 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 10:26:28 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199606151626.KAA24715@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: "John S. Dyson" Cc: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams), jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Quick-Time viewer? In-Reply-To: <199606151340.IAA02554@dyson.iquest.net> References: <199606150553.XAA23762@rocky.sri.MT.net> <199606151340.IAA02554@dyson.iquest.net> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > [ QT for FreeBSD ] > > > > > xanim conquers all! :-) > > > > Not all unfortunately! > > > > QT Video Codec: Radius Cinepak depth=24 is unsupported by this executable. > > > > *sigh* Thanks for the hint though. > > > All you have to do is go to the original FTP site, and find the radius > cinepak binary (.o) (they originally said that it worked only on NetBSD, and > now admit to it working on FreeBSD -- but I knew all along, because I just > blindly tried it a year or so ago), and follow their instructions. Yep, I was using the port from 2.1 and it didn't work, but the current port works great. Thanks! Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 09:46:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA03546 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br (kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br [143.106.13.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03529 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from vazquez@localhost) by kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br (8.7.5/8.6.12/FreeBSD2.1) id NAA00823; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 13:42:00 GMT From: Pedro A M Vazquez Message-Id: <199606151342.NAA00823@kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br> Subject: Re: IBM HD's To: yves@CC.McGill.CA (Yves Lepage) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 13:42:00 +0000 () Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, yves@maelstrom.CC.McGill.CA In-Reply-To: <199606151525.LAA18470@maelstrom.CC.McGill.CA> from "Yves Lepage" at Jun 15, 96 11:25:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yves Lepage said: > > > - Quantum Fireball > > I could partition the disks no problem and I could do a bad block scan > with also no problem. Problems began when I created the Unix filesystems. > > First, I'd get an error message that FreeBSD couldn't swap on > wd0s2b because the device is not configured. Then, the creation > of a filesystem on wd0a would fail. Just as if the labeler > didn't know how to access these disks. > Hmmm, I don't know about SCSI but the IDE 1.08 Quantum Fireball works just fine for me : wdc0: unit 1 (wd1): , 32-bit, multi-block-8 wd1: 1039MB (2128896 sectors), 2112 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S it the fastest IDE we run here Pedro From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 09:53:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA03886 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from indurain.cse.ogi.edu (indurain.cse.ogi.edu [129.95.50.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03876 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by indurain.cse.ogi.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA02302; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:53:25 -0700 From: Jon Inouye Message-Id: <9606151653.AA02302@indurain.cse.ogi.edu> Subject: Re: gated & pccard don't get along To: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Date: Sat, 15 Jun 96 9:53:24 PDT In-Reply-To: <199606131843.LAA11283@freefall.freebsd.org>; from "owner-hackers-digest@freefall.freebsd.org" at Jun 13, 96 11:43 am X-Hpvue$Revision: 1.8 $ Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Vue-Mime-Level: 4 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andrew McRae writes: > Having thought long and hard about this, I have come to the > conclusion that having hot-swappable resources and interfaces > is a great idea in theory, but the kernel (and parts of the user-land > and daemons) generally assumes that devices are not going to > appear and disappear at random intervals. It is pretty scary to > think of the changes required to really make the system understand > this concept fully. The net code is a good example; whilst the > insert/remove scripts can already do some of these things (like > add default routes etc.), we are really working with a bit > of glue around the edges, and not tackling some of the core > problems. One issue is the way various bits get informed about > changes [e.g a card being pulled]. The need is for programs > to be started or stopped, signals sent, kernel tables to be > modified, daemons to be informed [e.g gated] etc. Hot swapping network cards without obtrusive side effects is the idea behind what I call Physical Media Independence (PMI). The modular construction of the 4.4BSD network stack (and great documentation thanks to Wright&Stevens) makes it relatively straightforward to support PMI in FreeBSD. All bindings between network data structures and interfaces need to be re-bound when an interface becomes available (such as when a card gets unplugged). This includes ARP entries, route entries, multicast groups, BPF attachments, and all the applications interacting with the network stack (such as routed/gated). Connection that are dependent on invariant IP addresses are harmed if the new interface does not have the same name as the old. Mobile IP helps out in this case, allowing the available interface to assume the unavailable interface's IP address. TCP's retransmission timer also causes problems if you take too long to switch media (exponential backoff). The local retransmission timer can be reset as part of the re-binding process, but the remote retransmission timer is harder to access. One solution (published by Ramon Caceres, IEEE Journal of Selected Areas in Communications, June '95) is to send a triple ACK to take advantage of the long fat networks (LFN) support in contemporary networking stacks. I haven't had a chance to implement this yet. I haven't thought a lot about a router (active rather than passive routed/gated) with hot swappable interfaces. When you unplug an interface, you can't send any messages to neighboring hosts/routers informing them of your intention to disconnect! In this case, the user may have inform the system before disconnecting. In the worst cause, the router timeouts will notice the disconnection and take appropriate action. > Berny Goodheart and I were talking about this, and his > suggestion is to implement a registry scheme, I imagine with > a graph of dependancies and some IPC etc. Tandem (Berny's > employer) uses such a scheme to implement hot swap > in their high availability architecture. Having worked on such a scheme > myself, I appreciate the complexity. Unfortunately, you can't implement > just a *little* bit of the scheme. If you do *any* form of > hot swap, you have to go the whole hog. Cisco also support > hot-swap, and even when it's designed in from day one, it is > still a significant effort to make it work. I built such a dependency scheme using `grep' and with lots of hand analysis. A colleague is working on a better "guard tracking" tool using compilation techniques such as dependency graphs and alias analysis. This only works for the kernel sources, and we need another interface to allow applications to `register' themselves for events of interest to them. For example, the WinSock-2 API has a NetworkAvailability field in the flowspec used during Connect(). When the kernel cannot maintain this guarantee, an event is sent to the application. What to do with legacy applications that don't use such a meta-interface is an open question. If you have a reference to the Tandem scheme I'd appreciate it. PMI is a lot like fault tolerance, except the faults are "expected" and the network media is often heterogeneous. The basic concepts of fault detection, fault isolation, and recovery are the same. Sidenote: Jim Binkley (http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~jrb), at Portland State, is working on adding Mobile IP to FreeBSD. -- Jon Inouye EMAIL: jinouye@cse.ogi.edu Distributed Systems Research Group WWW : http://www.cse.ogi.edu/~jinouye/ Computer Science and Eng. Dept. PHONE: (503) 690-1009, FAX: (503) 690-1553 Oregon Graduate Institute of Science & Technology (aka OGI) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 10:44:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA06431 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 10:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (root@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06425 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 10:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA06172 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 01:44:41 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: haywire.DIALix.COM: news set sender to usenet-request@haywire.dialix.com using -f Received: from GATEWAY by haywire.DIALix.COM with netnews for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (problems to: usenet@haywire.dialix.com) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: 15 Jun 1996 17:44:34 GMT From: peter@spinner.DIALix.COM (Peter Wemm) Message-ID: <4pusq2$3f5$3@haywire.DIALix.COM> Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Australia. References: <199606061945.FAA18814@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Subject: Re: Somebody explain this to me again.. :-) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199606061945.FAA18814@godzilla.zeta.org.au>, bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) writes: >>> echo 'INSTALL= install -C' >> /etc/make.conf >>> cd /usr/src >>> make obj depend all install >>> make all install >>> >>> This is completely sufficient for the needs of everyone who isn't >>> bootstrapping a new compiler or library, or building releases. > >>This is more or less what: > >>setenv NOCLEAN yes >>make world > >>buys you (except that you're not doing the build-tools target which buys >>you more time). Thanks to Peter... > > Except it isn't obvious how to continue it when it crashes. 'make -DNOCLEAN world' is pretty much an "All bets are off!" type option. I run it periodically, but then again, I read every single commit message, and look over a good deal of the diffs too, so I have a pretty good idea what to expect. As for "Hmm, where did it get up to?", I always 'script' builds so I can see exactly where, so I can decide whether to manually finish the last step or two and then 'make depend && make all && make install' And then I go and do something stupid and edit stdio.h or sys/errno.h which hits 99.9% of the .depends for each target and have to start from scratch next time. > Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 11:37:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA08345 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mole.mole.org (marmot.mole.org [204.216.57.191]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA08340 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mole.mole.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA27090; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:30:25 GMT Received: from meerkat.mole.org(206.197.192.110) by mole.mole.org via smap (V1.3) id sma027088; Sat Jun 15 18:30:23 1996 Received: (from mrm@localhost) by meerkat.mole.org (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA10473; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:29:53 -0700 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:29:53 -0700 From: "M.R.Murphy" Message-Id: <199606151829.LAA10473@meerkat.mole.org> To: vazquez@IQM.Unicamp.BR, yves@CC.McGill.CA Subject: Re: IBM HD's Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, yves@maelstrom.CC.McGill.CA Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > > - Quantum Fireball > > > > I could partition the disks no problem and I could do a bad block scan > > with also no problem. Problems began when I created the Unix filesystems. > > > > First, I'd get an error message that FreeBSD couldn't swap on > > wd0s2b because the device is not configured. Then, the creation > > of a filesystem on wd0a would fail. Just as if the labeler > > didn't know how to access these disks. > > > Hmmm, I don't know about SCSI but the IDE 1.08 Quantum Fireball works > just fine for me : > > wdc0: unit 1 (wd1): , 32-bit, multi-block-8 > wd1: 1039MB (2128896 sectors), 2112 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S > > it the fastest IDE we run here > A Fireball SCSI 1.08 works for me. I use the whole drive for FreeBSD. Adaptec 1542B, AMD DX4/120. Right now it's a non-boot drive, though I used it in the past as a boot drive. meerkat# disklabel -r sd1 # /dev/rsd1c: type: SCSI disk: qp1080s3 label: flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 32 tracks/cylinder: 64 sectors/cylinder: 2048 cylinders: 1042 sectors/unit: 2134016 rpm: 3600 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 65536 0 4.2BSD 1024 8192 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 31) b: 65536 65536 swap # (Cyl. 32 - 63) c: 2134016 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 1041) d: 2134016 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 1041) e: 2002944 131072 4.2BSD 1024 8192 0 # (Cyl. 64 - 1041) h: 2134016 0 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 0 - 1041) meerkat# -- Mike Murphy mrm@Mole.ORG +1 619 598 5874 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 11:58:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA09007 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09002 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zap.io.org (taob@zap.io.org [198.133.36.81]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18423; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 14:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 14:57:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L cc: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl Subject: Incremental [s]pwd.db updates? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk About 9 months ago, Guido van Rooij (guido@gvr.win.tue.nl) was working on a modification to pwd_mkdb that allows for incremental updating of the databases, for use with passwd/chfn/chsh and friends when only the record of one user needs changing. What is its current status? We are moving one of our authentication servers from a BSD/OS 2.0 machine (which does have incremental pwd.db updating) to a FreeBSD 2.2-SNAP machine (which does not). It currently contains 14271 lines, but will be growing to 150,000 or more before September. No problems with uids > 65536, but it takes a little over 4 minutes to rehash on an otherwise idle P100. With 150,000 users it will take the better part of an hour for each update. Is there any relatively stable code available for testing? I'd really rather not have to press a BSD/OS machine into service just for that one feature if I can get the same for FreeBSD (or NetBSD, for that matter). -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 13:01:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA12911 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 13:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12906 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 13:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.12/1.53) id WAA24925; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 22:01:14 +0200 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199606152001.WAA24925@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: Re: Incremental [s]pwd.db updates? To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 22:01:14 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Brian Tao at "Jun 15, 96 02:57:58 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao wrote: > About 9 months ago, Guido van Rooij (guido@gvr.win.tue.nl) was > working on a modification to pwd_mkdb that allows for incremental > updating of the databases, for use with passwd/chfn/chsh and friends > when only the record of one user needs changing. What is its current > status? > I'm working on it right now. I will have a -current version first. Given the release plans for 2.1.5 I dont think it will make it to that version. I can send you some patches if you like. Use at your own risk. > We are moving one of our authentication servers from a BSD/OS 2.0 > machine (which does have incremental pwd.db updating) to a FreeBSD > 2.2-SNAP machine (which does not). It currently contains 14271 lines, > but will be growing to 150,000 or more before September. No problems > with uids > 65536, but it takes a little over 4 minutes to rehash on > an otherwise idle P100. With 150,000 users it will take the better > part of an hour for each update. > It will only speed up chpass, passwd, chfn, chsh. Plus a minor speedup for pwd_mkdb in general. Plus adding users can be done more effeciently. But the you have to tweak you adduser a bit (I dont have patches for the standard adduser in FreeBSD). A vipw(8) will still take a long time. -Guido From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 16:25:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24168 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 16:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk (jraynard.demon.co.uk [158.152.42.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA24148 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 16:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from fhackers@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA13002; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 22:23:59 GMT Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 22:23:59 GMT Message-Id: <199606152223.WAA13002@jraynard.demon.co.uk> From: James Raynard To: mark@linus.demon.co.uk CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199606120112.CAA07808@linus.demon.co.uk> (mark@linus.demon.co.uk) Subject: Re: small sed bugfix (PR#908) Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Can I tempt anyone to review and/or commit the tiny fix for an annoying > sed bug which I submitted in December, with a view to having this or a > similar fix in 2.1.5? It doesn't seem to make the sed regressions tests > any noisier than they already were... Are there any sed gurus in the house who can comment on this? If not, perhaps you might be better to advised to mail the author, who appears to be Diomidis Spinellis Cheers James > I'm appending a copy of . > > Cheers, > > Mark. > > -- 8< ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Problem Report bin/908 > > sed bug with trailing backslashes > > Confidential > no > Severity > serious > Priority > medium > Responsible > freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org > State > open > Class > sw-bug > Submitter-Id > current-users > Arrival-Date > Thu Dec 21 17:00:01 PST 1995 > Last-Modified > Wed Dec 27 23:30:01 PST 1995 > Originator > Mark Valentine > Organization > Release > FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386 > Environment > > n/a > > > Description > > Sed misinterprets the pair of backslashes at the end of line 2 of > the following script, resulting in line 3 being taken as part of > the inserted text. > > 1i\ > char foo[] = "\\ > s/$/\\n\\/ > $a\ > "; > > GNU sed and SunOS 4.1.3 sed insert a single line ending with a > backslash, and treat line three as a substition command. > > > How-To-Repeat > > $ echo test | sed -f > char foo[] = "\ > s/$/\n\/ > test > "; > > $ echo test | /usr/gnu/bin/sed -f > char foo[] = "\ > test\n\ > "; > > > Fix > Audit-Trail > > From: mark@linus.demon.co.uk (Mark Valentine) > To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG > Cc: Subject: Re: bin/908: sed bug with trailing backslashes > Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 07:19:57 +0000 > > > From: Mark Valentine > > Date: Thu 21 Dec, 1995 > > Subject: bin/908: sed bug with trailing backslashes > > > >Description: > > > > Sed misinterprets the pair of backslashes at the end of line 2 of > > the following script, resulting in line 3 being taken as part of > > the inserted text. > > > > 1i\ > > char foo[] = "\\ > > s/$/\\n\\/ > > $a\ > > "; > > This small patch to usr.bin/sed/compile.c seems to fix it. It replaces > escaping backslashes in the input buffer with NULs, and uses those to > determine whether the newline was escaped, rather than looking for a > (possibly escaped) preceding backslash. > > --- compile.c.dist Wed Aug 16 21:21:55 1995 > +++ compile.c Thu Dec 28 06:32:03 1995 > @@ -628,11 +628,11 @@ > EATSPACE(); > for (; *p; p++) { > if (*p == '\\') > - p++; > + *p++ = '\0'; > *s++ = *p; > } > size += s - op; > - if (p[-2] != '\\') { > + if (p[-2] != '\0') { > *s = '\0'; > break; > } > > This patch doesn't seem to break any of the regression tests. > > Mark. > > Unformatted > > -- 8< ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > Mark Valentine at Home > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 17:17:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA25389 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 17:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from melb.werple.net.au (melb.werple.net.au [203.9.190.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25384 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 17:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cimaxp1.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by melb.werple.net.au (8.7.5/8.7.3/2) with UUCP id JAA28030 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 09:17:02 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199606152317.JAA28030@melb.werple.net.au> Received: by cimaxp1.cimlogic.com.au; (5.65/1.1.8.2/10Sep95-0953AM) id AA10198; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 09:16:55 +1000 From: John Birrell Subject: Re: Nonblocking writes to pipes hang To: zeta.org.au!bde@melb.werple.net.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 09:16:54 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, jb@cimlogic.com.au In-Reply-To: <199606151304.XAA12653@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 15, 96 11:04:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ Bruce, thanks for taking the trouble to give a detailed reply. 8-). ] > Writes of >= 8192 bytes are just broken. pipe_direct_write() is > called in this case and it never checks the PIPE_NBIO flag. Is this easy to fix, or should we code to ensure we only do non-blocking writes < 8192? I assume the problem exists in both 2.1R and 2.2-current. > My pipe throughput test program shows another interesting pipe bug. > When WORK_AROUND_FREEBSD_BUGS is not defined, the reader sometimes hangs > waiting for EOF even though the writer has closed the pipe (or has > exited). Ugh. We rely on this _working_. The most common case where we use pipes is to re-direct output from one program to another. Our build process, for instance, execs cc, ar, ld etc with stdout and stderr piped back to the build program (which we use instead of make) so that we can save error and warning messages in the build version history. The only way that our build program knows when there is nothing more to read from the pipe when it is closed by the writer. > This is caused by last-close semantics being broken as > designed. The fileops close function only gets called when both the > reader and the writer have closed the pipe. Thus if the reader is > waiting for input and the writer dies, the pipe code doesn't get > notified and the reader continues waiting for input that can never > arrive. For named pipes, input can arrive, but reads still block for > too long. POSIX.1 requires that reads unblock when the pipe is closed > by all processes that had it open for writing. FreeBSD's bidirectional > pipes seem to fix the problem for the wrong reason - it is impossible > to close a read/write descriptor while you're reading from it, so it > is impossible for all writers to close a pipe that you're reading from. I don't know how we can work around this problem. Are there any issues that would prevent this problem being fixed? To us it is a "job-stopper". > > Bruce Regards, -- John Birrell CIMlogic Pty Ltd jb@cimlogic.com.au 119 Cecil Street Ph +61 3 9690 6900 South Melbourne Vic 3205 Fax +61 3 9690 6650 Australia Mob +61 18 353 137 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 18:03:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA26832 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.34.47]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA26825 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmacd@localhost) by paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA15386 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:03:25 -0700 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:03:25 -0700 From: Josh MacDonald Message-Id: <199606160103.SAA15386@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Linux sound support? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a -current system as of several hours ago (which, by the way, works again--X had been rebooting the machine several days earlier). I'm running Quake in linux emulation, but there's no sound. I asked Steve Wallace a while ago if sound should work and he said it should. So, should it still? Or what's the deal? -josh From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 18:32:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA29767 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA29739 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA31411; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 11:27:21 +1000 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 11:27:21 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199606160127.LAA31411@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: cimaxp1!jb@werple.net.au, zeta.org.au!bde@melb.werple.net.au Subject: Re: Nonblocking writes to pipes hang Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, jb@cimlogic.com.au Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Writes of >= 8192 bytes are just broken. pipe_direct_write() is >> called in this case and it never checks the PIPE_NBIO flag. >Is this easy to fix, or should we code to ensure we only do non-blocking It should be easy for the author :-). >writes < 8192? I assume the problem exists in both 2.1R and 2.2-current. No, it is only in -current. The code for nameless pipes was completely rewritten for -current. >> My pipe throughput test program shows another interesting pipe bug. >> When WORK_AROUND_FREEBSD_BUGS is not defined, the reader sometimes hangs >> waiting for EOF even though the writer has closed the pipe (or has >> exited). >Ugh. We rely on this _working_. The most common case where we use pipes I had trouble duplicating the problem with my benchmark program. Here's a minimal program to demonstrate the problem: --- main() { char buf[1]; int fd[2]; pipe(fd); switch(fork()) { case -1: perror("fork"); exit(1); case 0: #ifdef CLOSE close(fd[1]); #endif read(fd[0], buf, sizeof buf); printf("reader exiting\n"); exit(0); default: sleep(1); printf("writer exiting\n"); exit(0); } } --- This works right if CLOSE is defined. Otherwise the reader hangs. The behaviour under Linux is identical. Apparently I was wrong about where the critical extra vnode reference comes from. >is to re-direct output from one program to another. Our build process, >for instance, execs cc, ar, ld etc with stdout and stderr piped back to >the build program (which we use instead of make) so that we can save >error and warning messages in the build version history. The only way >that our build program knows when there is nothing more to read from >the pipe when it is closed by the writer. Pipes usually work in such setups, so I guess everything is being careful about closing unused fd's. >I don't know how we can work around this problem. Are there any issues >that would prevent this problem being fixed? To us it is a "job-stopper". Vnode reference counting problems aren't easy to fix without introducing other problems. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 18:42:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA00578 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00568 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07653; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606160141.SAA07653@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Josh MacDonald cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux sound support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:03:25 PDT." <199606160103.SAA15386@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:41:39 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Josh MacDonald : > > I have a -current system as of several hours ago (which, by the > way, works again--X had been rebooting the machine several > days earlier). I'm running Quake in linux emulation, but there's > no sound. I asked Steve Wallace a while ago if sound should > work and he said it should. So, should it still? Or what's > the deal? > > -josh > Hi Where can I get "Quake"? Dumb question do you know if your sound setup works? Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 19:00:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA01006 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 19:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.34.47]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA01000 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 19:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (localhost.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA15474; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 19:00:12 -0700 From: Josh MacDonald Message-Id: <199606160200.TAA15474@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU> To: Amancio Hasty cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux sound support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:41:39 PDT." <199606160141.SAA07653@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 19:00:11 -0700 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quake, by the makers of DOOM, is about 1000 times better than its predecessor. You can get it off ftp.idsoftware.com. You can browse the net to find internet quake servers. Its deathmatch only, no monsters yet. This game is going to rule when its finished, the release they put out a few months ago is an alpha. -josh My sound setup works as far as I can tell, I can play .au files, I don't know of a rigorous test. > From The Desk Of Josh MacDonald : > > > > I have a -current system as of several hours ago (which, by the > > way, works again--X had been rebooting the machine several > > days earlier). I'm running Quake in linux emulation, but there's > > no sound. I asked Steve Wallace a while ago if sound should > > work and he said it should. So, should it still? Or what's > > the deal? > > > > -josh > > > > Hi > > Where can I get "Quake"? > > Dumb question do you know if your sound setup works? > > Tnks, > Amancio > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 19:30:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA02129 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 19:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02111 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 19:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08157; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 19:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606160230.TAA08157@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Josh MacDonald cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, qtest1@idsoftware.com Subject: Re: Quake info In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 15 Jun 1996 19:19:15 PDT." <199606160219.TAA18405@deceit.xcf.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 19:30:29 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yeap, good ol' ID . Well we don't have support for the mmap stuff on the sound driver.. At least I don't over here.. If someone else wants to step in and provide the support I will more than happy to assist. Additionally, since there is no FreeBSD port I have very little incentive to support Quake. Regards, Amancio >From The Desk Of Josh MacDonald : > +----------------------------------------+ > | The Official Quake Deathmatch TEST | > | Released Saturday, February 24th, 1996 | > | Copyright (C) 1996 id Software, inc. | > +----------------------------------------+ > | Linux Subsystem Documentation | > | by Dave Taylor | > +----------------------------------------+ > > This is Quake for Linux, test 1a. It was compiled and tested under an > ELF 1.3.62 system with the tasd-3.5-beta7 sound code, using gcc 2.7.0 > and libc.so.5.0.9. You must first download the qtest1.zip package (you > can find it at quake.best.com:/pub/idsoftware) and unpack that in a > directory. Then, place the xquake executable in that directory and run > it from there. You must be able to run ELF applications. > > This version of Quake requires that you have the new mmapable sound > driver. You can find the sound code at tasd-3.5-beta7.tar.gz from > ftp.best.com/pub/front/tasd. This code allows Quake to memory-map the > sound DMA buffer, eliminating a seperate sound process, lowering > latency, and better-modelling DOS code. This code does *not* work with > the GUS, though there are some reports that it works with the GUS MAX. > Linux GUS support may or may not happen. > > This also contains a version called xf86quake, featuring the new DGA > code in XFree 3.1.2D which is available at ftp.xfree86.org. DGA allows > direct access to the frame buffer, page flipping, proper mouse behavior, > and proper keyboard behavior. As it stands, the function which does > page flips is waiting for the vertical retrace. This causes the game to > run much slower, so xquake may be faster for now. This will be fixed > soon. In addition, there are problems grabbing the colormap with this > version. If you experience trouble with this, kill your window manager > before running the game and start it up after leaving. xf86quake > requires that your virtual desktop size be twice the current resolution, > or page-flipping will not work. So for instance, if you are running > your X server at 320x200, your virtual desktop size must be 320x400 or > larger. xf86quake must also be run as root in order to memory-map the > frame buffer. > > There are no Linux-specific command-line options, variables, or > commands, beyond what is mentioned in the sound.txt file. > > The purpose of this release is to test for bugs & compatability > problems. Please do not send comments back to personal e-mail accounts. > They will be ignored. Submit bug reports to qtest1@idsoftware.com. > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 19:44:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA02742 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 19:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (root@morrison-c12.aa.net [204.157.220.144]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02728 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 19:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (smpatel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA00551; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 22:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 22:43:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: Josh MacDonald cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux sound support? In-Reply-To: <199606160103.SAA15386@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 15 Jun 1996, Josh MacDonald wrote: > I have a -current system as of several hours ago (which, by the > way, works again--X had been rebooting the machine several > days earlier). I'm running Quake in linux emulation, but there's > no sound. I asked Steve Wallace a while ago if sound should > work and he said it should. So, should it still? Or what's > the deal? Quake sound will not currently work. Look for support in -current in about a month or so (after USS-Lite is brought in). Sujal From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 20:44:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA08903 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 20:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA08775; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 20:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA14100; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 20:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606160344.UAA14100@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: port-i386@netbsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Reply-To: michaelv@HeadCandy.com Followup-To: michaelv@HeadCandy.com Subject: write-through bit for 486's with write-back cache Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 20:44:18 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I can't find this anywhere on AMD's or Intel's web sites. Their programming docs are pathetically lacking in the web access category. On the AMD "enhanced" 486DX4 and 5x86 chips, they have write-back on-chip cache. However, they mention a bit in CR0 called "PWT" that supposedly makes all cache lines always marked "shared", which effectively makes the cache write-through. Does anyone have a technical reference or programmer's manual for either the AMD 486DX4, 5x86, or Intel 486DX4 chips that specifically details CR0 and this "PWT" bit? I'm assuming the Intel 486DX4 "writeback-enhanced" chips use the same CR0 bit. Hopefully I am assuming correctly. Alternatively, does anyone have a Pentium programmer's manual they could look in to see if they Pentium has this PWT bit in it's CR0 register. Thanks for your help... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 23:08:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA18394 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 23:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA18371; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 23:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0uVCFA-000wz5C; Sun, 16 Jun 96 00:27 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA834905202; Sun, 16 Jun 96 01:06:22 PST Date: Sun, 16 Jun 96 01:06:22 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9605158349.AA834905202@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: michaelv@HeadCandy.com, port-i386@netbsd.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: write-through bit for 486's with write-back cache Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Cyrix will gladly provide you with the answer to this one. If it's not on their Web pages, it's in their docs. Cyrix was, after all, first with a write-back cache. --Brett From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 15 23:56:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA21389 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 23:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21364; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 23:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA14419; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 23:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606160654.XAA14419@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Brett Glass" cc: port-i386@netbsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: write-through bit for 486's with write-back cache In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 16 Jun 96 01:06:22 -0800. <9605158349.AA834905202@ccgate.infoworld.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 23:54:54 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Cyrix will gladly provide you with the answer to this one. If it's not on >their Web pages, it's in their docs. Cyrix was, after all, first with a >write-back cache. Right. They'll all happily send me the info, but I can't find this level of programming info on any of their sites. And, I want to know right now, dammit! :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------