From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 23 14:52:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA04370 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 14:52:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinto.accesscomm.net (root@[204.189.106.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04364 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 14:52:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from n2m36.accesscomm.net (n2m36.accesscomm.net [204.189.106.98]) by pinto.accesscomm.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14521 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 16:51:18 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703232251.QAA14521@pinto.accesscomm.net> From: "The Old Wolf" To: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Date: Sun, 23 Mar 97 16:56:06 -0600 Reply-To: "The Old Wolf" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Compiling a new kernel Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Okay, I cvsup'd ALL for 2.2 onot my 2.1.7 system. When I run config on my kernel it croaks on %SFILES in the makefile.i386 file. What am I missing? Do I ned to dl some other binaries beside cvsup before I can move on? Dan UNIX: we get more done on one command line then most other OS's do all day HTTP://users.accesscomm.net/~kane From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 24 06:21:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA09642 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 06:21:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from tomcat1.tbe.com (tomcat1.tbe.com [140.165.22.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA09633 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 06:20:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [140.165.60.174] by tomcat1.tbe.com via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) id IAA03786; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 08:20:48 -0600 X-Sender: dkelly@peecee.tbe.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199703190628.WAA21253@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 07:49:06 -0600 To: Richard Wackerbarth From: David Kelly Subject: Re: src-2.1.0292 ctm update? Cc: stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 1:16 AM -0600 3/19/97, Richard Wackerbarth wrote: >At 12:28 AM -0600 3/19/97, Don Lewis wrote: >>I got 12 of 13 parts of src-2.1.0292 in the mail over the last few days. >>I never received part 1, and it appears that ftp.freebsd.org didn't either. > >I just resent part 1 to both the fast and the slow lists. >Would someone from each list please confirm that they have received all parts. > >Send replys to my personal mailbox rkw@dataplex.net within the next 6 hours >(1400Z on 19Mar) >I'll post another message if I need any feedback after that time. Maybe I'm not alone in missing some segments. Wouldn't bother you otherwise. Any recommendations on where I can ftp the missing files? PeeCee: {1004} ls -lt /usr1/CTM/tmp total 712 -rw------- 1 dkelly wheel 50284 Mar 24 04:18 src-cur.2816.gz+003-003 -rw------- 1 dkelly wheel 70452 Mar 19 01:27 src-2.1.0292.gz+001-013 -rw------- 1 dkelly wheel 41610 Mar 17 05:09 src-cur.2809.gz+001-002 -rw------- 1 dkelly wheel 70452 Mar 16 19:34 src-2.1.0292.gz+009-013 -rw------- 1 dkelly wheel 70452 Mar 16 19:31 src-2.1.0292.gz+008-013 -rw------- 1 dkelly wheel 70452 Mar 16 19:30 src-2.1.0292.gz+005-013 -rw------- 1 dkelly wheel 70452 Mar 16 19:29 src-2.1.0292.gz+010-013 -rw------- 1 dkelly wheel 70402 Mar 16 19:29 src-2.1.0292.gz+013-013 -rw------- 1 dkelly wheel 70452 Mar 16 19:28 src-2.1.0292.gz+011-013 -rw------- 1 dkelly wheel 70452 Mar 16 19:27 src-2.1.0292.gz+012-013 -rw------- 1 dkelly wheel 70452 Mar 16 19:27 src-2.1.0292.gz+007-013 PeeCee: {1005} date Mon Mar 24 07:45:05 CST 1997 PeeCee: {1006} -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@tomcat1.tbe.com (wk), dkelly@hiwaay.net (hm) ====================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 24 10:18:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA23550 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 10:18:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from dresden.bmc.com (dresden.bmc.com [198.64.253.250]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23539 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 10:18:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by dresden.bmc.com (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA161277375; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:16:15 -0600 Received: from cherry.bmc.com(172.17.1.25) by dresden.bmc.com via smap (3.2) id xma016013; Mon, 24 Mar 97 12:15:56 -0600 Received: from sunny.bmc.com (sunny.bmc.com [172.19.200.35]) by cherry.bmc.com with SMTP (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA01873 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:17:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost.bmc.com by sunny.bmc.com; (1.38.193.4/1.1.8.2/08Sep94-1118AM) id AA25659; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:17:33 -0600 Message-Id: <3336C53D.DF3@accesscomm.net> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:17:33 -0600 From: Dan Harty X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.05 9000/712) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 2.2 upgrade.. again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Okay, I tried doing make world with the 2.2 code and it bombs out on me (Unfortunately I'm not at my box, so I can't say exactly where) However, my main question is this. CAN I do a make world compile to 2.2 from a 2.1.7 machine and then run a config on my kernal and compile up to that, or am I stuck doing an installed upgrade. I cvsup'ed src=all, and I can't seem to move. Do I need to upgrade the gcc compiler first? Is that upgrade handled by make world? I apologize if I am directing these questions to the wrong list, but I've never had trouble with an upgrade before (from 2.1 to 2.1.7) but I also understand that 2.2 has some major changes. Help appreciated Dan -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Generic Duck and Weave: The above expressed views do not reflect those of BMC Software or their subsidiaries unless otherwise noted. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 24 12:03:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA01855 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:03:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01843 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:03:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15064; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:03:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703242003.MAA15064@austin.polstra.com> To: kane@accesscomm.net Subject: Re: 2.2 upgrade.. again Newsgroups: polstra.freebsd.stable In-Reply-To: <3336C53D.DF3@accesscomm.net> References: <3336C53D.DF3@accesscomm.net> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: stable@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:03:21 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <3336C53D.DF3@accesscomm.net>, Dan Harty wrote: > Okay, > I tried doing make world with the 2.2 code and it bombs out > on me (Unfortunately I'm not at my box, so I can't say exactly where) > However, my main question is this. CAN I do a make world compile to > 2.2 from a 2.1.7 machine and then run a config on my kernal and > compile up to that, or am I stuck doing an installed upgrade. Yes, you can do a "make world" upgrade from 2.1.7 to 2.2. It helps to remove your whole /usr/obj tree first, and also to use "find" to get rid of all symbolic links named "obj" in your /usr/src tree. After doing that, a make world should run all the way to completion. At least, it did for me. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 24 12:30:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA03422 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:30:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from gate.ticl.co.uk (gate.ticl.co.uk [193.32.1.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03410 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from desktop.ticl.co.uk ([193.32.1.15]) by gate.ticl.co.uk (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA07104 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 20:12:41 GMT Message-Id: <199703242012.UAA07104@gate.ticl.co.uk> From: "Peter Curran" To: Subject: HP 6020 support Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 20:25:08 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can somebody please confirm that the HP 6020 CD-R drive is compatible with the older 4020 model (which does not appear to be available any longer) and that I can therefore use wormcontrol? Many thanks Peter From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 24 12:50:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA04839 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:50:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from serge.jbj.org (serge.JBJ.ORG [198.178.231.60]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA04825 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from serge@localhost) by serge.jbj.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA19416; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:49:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:49:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199703242049.PAA19416@serge.jbj.org> From: Serge Pashenkov To: jdp@polstra.com CC: kane@accesscomm.net, stable@freeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199703242003.MAA15064@austin.polstra.com> (message from John Polstra on Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:03:21 -0800) Subject: Re: 2.2 upgrade.. again Sender: owner-stable@freeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Try to connect to yotsu.jbj.org -- it has echo server running with 10 sec delay, so you can try to hear yourself to make sure your equipment and setup is fine. serge From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 25 07:44:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA19375 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 07:44:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdc3.cdc.net (nobody@cdc3.cdc.net [205.217.64.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA19366 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 07:44:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by cdc3.cdc.net (Chattanooga Data Connection, Inc. 423/266-3369) id KAA23572; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from cdc3.cdc.net(205.217.64.4) by cdc3 via smap (V2.0beta) id xma023563; Tue, 25 Mar 97 10:44:21 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:44:21 -0500 (EST) From: Hardwarez Man To: Peter Curran cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HP 6020 support In-Reply-To: <199703242012.UAA07104@gate.ticl.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yes the drivers are out of alpha and work well with both HP drives. On Mon, 24 Mar 1997, Peter Curran wrote: > Can somebody please confirm that the HP 6020 CD-R drive is compatible with > the older 4020 model (which does not appear to be available any longer) and > that I can therefore use wormcontrol? > > Many thanks > > Peter > > > From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 25 16:28:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA25398 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anasazi.com (mailhost.anasazi.com [138.113.128.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA25390 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:28:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from chad.anasazi.com by mailhost.anasazi.com (5.65/3.7) id AA05353; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:27:27 -0700 Received: by chad.anasazi.com (5.65/3.7) id AA06234; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:27:26 -0700 From: chad@anasazi.com (Chad R. Larson) Message-Id: <9703260027.AA06234@chad.anasazi.com> Subject: SUP server To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:27:24 -0700 (MST) Reply-To: chad@anasazi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The SUP server "sup.FreeBSD.org" appears to be down, and has been for several days. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-870-3330 chad@anasazi.com chad@anasaz.UUCP chad@dcfinc.com Anasazi, Inc. - 7500 North Dreamy Draw Drive, Suite 120, Phoenix, Az 85020 From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 25 17:11:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA28697 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:11:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA28690 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:11:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA00288 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [208.2.87.4] (cod.dataplex.net [208.2.87.4]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00106; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:09:26 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: rkw@shrimp.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9703260027.AA06234@chad.anasazi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:01:54 -0600 To: chad@anasazi.com From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: SUP server Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 6:27 PM -0600 3/25/97, Chad R. Larson wrote: >The SUP server "sup.FreeBSD.org" appears to be down, and has been for >several days. That may be. Change to CVSup. Sup is a depricated protocol. From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 25 17:11:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA28714 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:11:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.uniserve.com (mercury.uniserve.com [204.191.197.248]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA28688 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:11:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by mercury.uniserve.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id RAA00437; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:07:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:16:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: "Chad R. Larson" cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SUP server In-Reply-To: <9703260027.AA06234@chad.anasazi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Mar 1997, Chad R. Larson wrote: > The SUP server "sup.FreeBSD.org" appears to be down, and has been for > several days. > > -crl > -- > Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? > 602-870-3330 chad@anasazi.com chad@anasaz.UUCP chad@dcfinc.com > Anasazi, Inc. - 7500 North Dreamy Draw Drive, Suite 120, Phoenix, Az 85020 > sup? Its been depreciated, hasn't it? Tom From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 25 18:53:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA07879 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 18:53:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07870 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 18:53:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970116) with ESMTP id VAA14072; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:51:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.webspan.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (WEBSPN/970116) with ESMTP id VAA22214; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:51:26 -0500 (EST) To: chad@anasazi.com cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: SUP server In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:27:24 MST." <9703260027.AA06234@chad.anasazi.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:51:26 -0500 Message-ID: <22211.859344686@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chad R. Larson wrote in message ID <9703260027.AA06234@chad.anasazi.com>: > The SUP server "sup.FreeBSD.org" appears to be down, and has been for > several days. SUP is being depreciated in favour of CVSup and CTM. I suggest you switch to one or other of them. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 25 19:12:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA09382 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:12:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-07.netcom.ca [207.181.94.71]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09375 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:12:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id XAA00687; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 23:11:59 -0400 (AST) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 23:11:53 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: "Chad R. Larson" cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SUP server In-Reply-To: <9703260027.AA06234@chad.anasazi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Mar 1997, Chad R. Larson wrote: > The SUP server "sup.FreeBSD.org" appears to be down, and has been for > several days. > Sup has been dead for several months now, but they finally decided to bury it over the past few days :) Check out CVSup, which is what replaced sup From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 25 23:45:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA23687 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 23:45:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA23680 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 23:45:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (bradley@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id CAA25447 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 02:42:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 02:42:44 -0500 (EST) From: Bradley Dunn X-Sender: bradley@ns2.harborcom.net To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 16 char usernames merge? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am just wondering...Are there are any plans to merge the 16 character username changes into the RELENG_2_2 branch? I know the original commit message said: "This is not for 2.2! This needs to get shaken out longer term in 3.0." but, hey, that was almost four months ago. :) Just curious...Thanks! pbd -- "...Thought that I was warm like a mother, lover, brother Brother, she was wrong Me, I don't long to belong" Tears for Fears -- "Cold" From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 00:05:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA24545 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 00:05:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from shaman.lycaeum.org (SHAMAN.LYCAEUM.ORG [206.54.73.27]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA24540 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 00:05:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (edmond@localhost) by shaman.lycaeum.org (Partyon/dude!) with SMTP id BAA12480; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 01:05:05 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 01:05:05 -0700 (MST) From: "Andrew N. Edmond" To: The Hermit Hacker cc: "Chad R. Larson" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SUP server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Tue, 25 Mar 1997, Chad R. Larson wrote: > > > The SUP server "sup.FreeBSD.org" appears to be down, and has been for > > several days. > > > Sup has been dead for several months now, but they finally decided > to bury it over the past few days :) > > Check out CVSup, which is what replaced sup Well, after spending a few hours reading all about CVSup, downloading the binary for my 2.1.5 machine, and getting a supfile from the stable tree, it's a no go. Most of my FreeBSD friends were using sup to download the updated source/port trees and this unexpected switch is causing no end of trouble! I appreciate all the (*free*) work the development team puts into FreeBSD, but if I may be so bold as to ask for at least a little information and/or steps needed switch from being a SUP user to a CVSup user? Oh yes, here is the error I am receiving, and the three supfiles I've tried are attached: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ shaman: {96} less supfile.cvsup # # Note: this supfile is for ftp.FreeBSD.org to sup the FreeBSD sources # from sup.FreeBSD.ORG, not for the use of YOUR machine! For # supfiles suitable for general consumption, please look into # FreeBSD-current/src/share/FAQ/extras. # #src-eBones release=cvs host=freefall.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 #src-secure release=cvs host=freefall.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-all release=cvs host=freefall.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ shaman: {93} cvsup -g -L 2 supfile.cvsup Parsing supfile "supfile.cvsup" Nonexistent base directory "/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable" for collection "src-base" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ shaman: {94} cvsup -g -L 2 supfile Parsing supfile "supfile" Nonexistent base directory "/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable" for collection "src-base" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ shaman: {95} less supfile # # Note: this supfile is for ftp.FreeBSD.org to sup the FreeBSD sources # from sup.FreeBSD.ORG, not for the use of YOUR machine! For # supfiles suitable for general consumption, please look into # FreeBSD-current/src/share/FAQ/extras. # src-base release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-bin release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete olduse-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-eBones release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-etc release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-games release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-gnu release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-include release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-lib release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-libexec release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-sbin release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-secure release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-share release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-sys release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-usrbin release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-usrsbin release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: \-/ :::::::: Andrew N. Edmond - finger for PGP key :::::::::: \-/ /-\ :::::: ............ :::::: /-\ \-/ ::: edmond@lycaeum.org :::::: an1@anon.nymserver.com ::: \-/ /-\ : Director of the Lycaeum :: the Nymserver Administrator : /-\ \-/ ::: www.lycaeum.org :::::: www.nymserver.com ::: \-/ ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 03:33:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA04013 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 03:33:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anasazi.com (mailhost.anasazi.com [138.113.128.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA04007 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 03:33:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from chad.anasazi.com by mailhost.anasazi.com (5.65/3.7) id AA09131; Wed, 26 Mar 97 04:32:30 -0700 Received: by chad.anasazi.com (5.65/3.7) id AA07173; Wed, 26 Mar 97 04:32:28 -0700 From: chad@anasazi.com (Chad R. Larson) Message-Id: <9703261132.AA07173@chad.anasazi.com> Subject: Re: -current and -stable mailing lists To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 04:32:27 -0700 (MST) Reply-To: chad@anasazi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ok, Jordan. You asked the question (and stirred up a bunch of traffic on this list). Did you come to any conclusion? Forwarded message: > So we picked poor names for our branches. We blew it. It's not that > hard to do in an evolutionary environment like this one, but now > rather than continue to natter on for another dozen rounds about how > terrible the current naming scheme is, I really would prefer to see > the "general public" answer these two simple questions: > > a) Would the confusion caused by an abrupt name change > exceed the confusion caused by the current conventions? > > b) Assuming that the answer to (a) is no and now you've got > carte blanche to change things, what names would you choose > to describe the 3 tracks of development (mostly quiescent, > current release track, bleeding edge development) which you > feel would most adequately convey their purpose to the > layperson? Explain your rationale for each choice. > > Jordan -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-870-3330 chad@anasazi.com chad@anasaz.UUCP chad@dcfinc.com Anasazi, Inc. - 7500 North Dreamy Draw Drive, Suite 120, Phoenix, Az 85020 From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 06:33:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA11523 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 06:33:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from obiwan.aceonline.com.au (obiwan.aceonline.com.au [203.103.90.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA11518 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 06:33:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (adrian@localhost) by obiwan.aceonline.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA29240; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 22:29:34 +0800 (WST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 22:29:34 +0800 (WST) From: Adrian Chadd To: "Andrew N. Edmond" cc: The Hermit Hacker , "Chad R. Larson" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SUP server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (I'm a bit late but..:) Here is my cvsup file. Its set for the australian cvsup server, but thats a trivial thing to change. It also misses the non-export stuff, again, not hard to add. The source gets stuck in /usr/src . (default path) IMHO, cvsup is much nicer than sup, and I am surprised it was supported for so long. Cya. -- Adrian Chadd | UNIX, MS-DOS and Windows ... | (also known as the Good, the bad and the | ugly..) From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 07:42:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA17150 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 07:42:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from Bob.cstone.net (bob.cstone.net [205.197.102.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA17143 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 07:42:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from Gosub.cstone.net ([205.197.102.33]) by Bob.cstone.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11972) with ESMTP id AAA2588; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:42:27 -0500 Message-ID: <333944D3.5B39@cstone.net> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:46:28 -0500 From: pauln@cstone.net (Paul Nguyen) Reply-To: pauln@cstone.net Organization: Cornerstone Networks X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b2 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Andrew N. Edmond" CC: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SUP server X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andrew N. Edmond wrote: > On Tue, 25 Mar 1997, Chad R. Larson wrote: > > > The SUP server "sup.FreeBSD.org" appears to be down, and has been for > > several days. > > > Sup has been dead for several months now, but they finally decided > to bury it over the past few days :) > > Check out CVSup, which is what replaced sup Well, after spending a few hours reading all about CVSup, downloading the binary for my 2.1.5 machine, and getting a supfile from the stable tree, it's a no go. Most of my FreeBSD friends were using sup to download the updated source/port trees and this unexpected switch is causing no end of trouble! I appreciate all the (*free*) work the development team puts into FreeBSD, but if I may be so bold as to ask for at least a little information and/or steps needed switch from being a SUP user to a CVSup user? Oh yes, here is the error I am receiving, and the three supfiles I've tried are attached: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ shaman: {96} less supfile.cvsup # # Note: this supfile is for ftp.FreeBSD.org to sup the FreeBSD sources # from sup.FreeBSD.ORG, not for the use of YOUR machine! For # supfiles suitable for general consumption, please look into # FreeBSD-current/src/share/FAQ/extras. # #src-eBones release=cvs host=freefall.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 #src-secure release=cvs host=freefall.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-all release=cvs host=freefall.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ shaman: {93} cvsup -g -L 2 supfile.cvsup Parsing supfile "supfile.cvsup" Nonexistent base directory "/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable" for collection "src-base" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ shaman: {94} cvsup -g -L 2 supfile Parsing supfile "supfile" Nonexistent base directory "/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable" for collection "src-base" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ shaman: {95} less supfile # # Note: this supfile is for ftp.FreeBSD.org to sup the FreeBSD sources # from sup.FreeBSD.ORG, not for the use of YOUR machine! For # supfiles suitable for general consumption, please look into # FreeBSD-current/src/share/FAQ/extras. # src-base release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-bin release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete olduse-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-eBones release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-etc release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-games release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-gnu release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-include release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-lib release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-libexec release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-sbin release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-secure release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-share release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-sys release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-usrbin release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 src-usrsbin release=cvs host=sup.FreeBSD.org base=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable hostbase=/home prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable delete old use-rel-suffix tag=RELENG_2_1_0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I think you are using the sup supfiles, I maybe wrong though. Take a look in /usr/share/examples/cvsup for the cvsup supfiles, they look a little different. Though it took the sup fileserver to be down to get me to figure out there was a new method, I wouldn't go back to sup now if it came back up, cvsup is a lot faster and a lot cleaner. -Paul From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 08:54:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA23226 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:54:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA23220 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:54:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA14155; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:53:58 -0800 (PST) To: chad@anasazi.com cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -current and -stable mailing lists In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 26 Mar 1997 04:32:27 MST." <9703261132.AA07173@chad.anasazi.com> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:53:58 -0800 Message-ID: <14152.859395238@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Ok, Jordan. You asked the question (and stirred up a bunch of traffic > on this list). Did you come to any conclusion? Yes. I came to the conclusion that there is still too much variance in what people want (which I expected) and that I'm not changing a single thing about our branch naming as a result. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 10:19:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04561 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:19:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA04550 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:19:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from imp by rover.village.org with local (Exim 1.60 #1) id 0w9xIE-0005OT-00; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:19:26 -0700 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: SUP Message-Id: From: Warner Losh Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:19:26 -0700 Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk So sup is really really dead. What do people that want to get the stuff do who aren't running FreeBSD? Has cvsup been ported? Warner From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 11:19:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA11854 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:19:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11844 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:19:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA15007; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:19:19 -0800 (PST) To: Warner Losh cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SUP In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:19:26 MST." Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:19:19 -0800 Message-ID: <15004.859403959@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > So sup is really really dead. What do people that want to get the stuff > do who aren't running FreeBSD? Has cvsup been ported? Ported to... what? :-) And as we said before, sup is only as dead as its users want it to be. There's nothing stopping another site from jumping up and deciding to run a sup server for these bits. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 11:55:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA16607 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:55:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA16592 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org [127.0.0.1] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.60 #1) id 0w9ynB-0005dB-00; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:55:29 -0700 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: SUP Cc: stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:19:19 PST." <15004.859403959@time.cdrom.com> References: <15004.859403959@time.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:55:29 -0700 From: Warner Losh Message-Id: Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <15004.859403959@time.cdrom.com> "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: : > So sup is really really dead. What do people that want to get the stuff : > do who aren't running FreeBSD? Has cvsup been ported? : : Ported to... what? :-) Well, I did have OpenBSD in mind. Right now they update their copy of FreeBSD source tree with sup (they get the CVS tree). They are a little upset that sup has gone away w/o an announcement of that fact, but in an organization like this, that can't be helped. : And as we said before, sup is only as dead as its users want it to : be. There's nothing stopping another site from jumping up and deciding : to run a sup server for these bits. :-) That's true. I just wanna know what the most supported way is at the moment. I don't have a problem switching to something else as long as it has approx the same charactersitics as sup: relatively low latency, gets the whole tree, etc, etc. I'm thinking of actually moving it over to CTM since that is already ported to OpenBSD and I don't have to worry about porting a large Modula-3 runtime library. Before I do that, however, I'd like ot know what the best way to get the sources daily is so that in 3 months I'm not changing again. Warner From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 11:59:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17074 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:59:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17062 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:59:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA15303; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:59:41 -0800 (PST) To: Warner Losh cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SUP In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:55:29 MST." Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:59:41 -0800 Message-ID: <15299.859406381@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Well, I did have OpenBSD in mind. Right now they update their copy of > FreeBSD source tree with sup (they get the CVS tree). They are a > little upset that sup has gone away w/o an announcement of that fact, > but in an organization like this, that can't be helped. We never announced the day that sup died, it is true, but it's also true that we announced its impending demise for months before finally pulling the plug. It hardly happened in secret, and it's more the case here that a lot of people simply never stopped using the "backwards-compatibility" sup server we provided on spatter, one which we threatened might go away at any time and was only hastened on its way by spatter's untimely demise. > That's true. I just wanna know what the most supported way is at the > moment. I don't have a problem switching to something else as long as CVSup and CTM, that's basically it. The FTP site is also updated once a day, so if people just want to mirror the CVS tree and check whatever they like out of it, that's always been an option (since we opened up the CVS repo, anyway). Jordan From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 12:05:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA17846 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:05:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA17823 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:04:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org [127.0.0.1] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.60 #1) id 0w9ywG-0005eY-00; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:04:52 -0700 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: SUP Cc: stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:59:41 PST." <15299.859406381@time.cdrom.com> References: <15299.859406381@time.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:04:52 -0700 From: Warner Losh Message-Id: Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <15299.859406381@time.cdrom.com> "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: : > Well, I did have OpenBSD in mind. Right now they update their copy of : > FreeBSD source tree with sup (they get the CVS tree). They are a : > little upset that sup has gone away w/o an announcement of that fact, : > but in an organization like this, that can't be helped. : : We never announced the day that sup died, it is true, but it's also : true that we announced its impending demise for months before finally : pulling the plug. It hardly happened in secret, and it's more the : case here that a lot of people simply never stopped using the : "backwards-compatibility" sup server we provided on spatter, one which : we threatened might go away at any time and was only hastened on its : way by spatter's untimely demise. I understand that. It might have been nice to give warning. However, I do understand how a volunteer organization works and am not too upset. : > That's true. I just wanna know what the most supported way is at the : > moment. I don't have a problem switching to something else as long as : : CVSup and CTM, that's basically it. The FTP site is also updated once : a day, so if people just want to mirror the CVS tree and check : whatever they like out of it, that's always been an option (since we : opened up the CVS repo, anyway). Hmmm, hand't thought of the ftp site option. Which machine is this? If it isn't freefall, then this would be an option, since OpenBSD been getting updated once a day. Warner From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 12:12:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA18947 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:12:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18939 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:12:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA15373; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:12:16 -0800 (PST) To: Warner Losh cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SUP In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:04:52 MST." Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:12:16 -0800 Message-ID: <15369.859407136@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I understand that. It might have been nice to give warning. However, [jkh beats his head against the wall] But I'm saying we DID give warning! Lots of warning! More than adequate warning! The problem is that people don't friggin' LISTEN to warnings when we give them! We might as well be talking to a field of stumps when we say "Sup is going away soon! Everyone upgrade to CVSup and CTM OK? OK??" The fact is that no matter what we did, including parking the Goodyear Blimp over your house with a flashing "Upgrade to CVSup! Upgrade, Warner, Upgrade!" banner on its belly, you probably wouldn't upgrade until forced to at gunpoint. You have other demands on your schedule and upgrades are a hassle, we know that, but please don't misidentify a human nature issue as a byproduct of "volunteer organization", OK? :-) > Hmmm, hand't thought of the ftp site option. Which machine is this? [jkh wonders if Warner has had his coffee this morning] I could mention one obvious choice, but wouldn't that sort of be an insult to your intelligence? :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 12:16:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA19439 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:16:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA19424 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:16:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org [127.0.0.1] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.60 #1) id 0w9z7O-0005gd-00; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:16:22 -0700 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: SUP Cc: stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:12:16 PST." <15369.859407136@time.cdrom.com> References: <15369.859407136@time.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:16:22 -0700 From: Warner Losh Message-Id: Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <15369.859407136@time.cdrom.com> "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: : > Hmmm, hand't thought of the ftp site option. Which machine is this? : : [jkh wonders if Warner has had his coffee this morning] : : I could mention one obvious choice, but wouldn't that sort of be an : insult to your intelligence? :-) Hmmm. No, just haven't had lunch yet. And yes, I did find them on the obvious place. Never noticed them there before. Warner From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 13:19:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA26739 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:19:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from kachina.jetcafe.org (kachina.jetcafe.org [207.155.21.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA26728 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:19:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([127.0.0.1]) by kachina.jetcafe.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA16048; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:19:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703262119.NAA16048@kachina.jetcafe.org> X-Authentication-Warning: kachina.jetcafe.org: Host [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Warner Losh , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SUP Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:19:33 -0800 From: Dave Hayes Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > But I'm saying we DID give warning! Lots of warning! More than > adequate warning! The problem is that people don't friggin' LISTEN to > warnings when we give them! We might as well be talking to a field of > stumps when we say "Sup is going away soon! Everyone upgrade to CVSup > and CTM OK? OK??" Er, Jordan? Much as I hate to stop a good flame, a better way of saying this might be to cite the mail message(s) you used to announce this. As an aside, I only found out that SUP was deprecated by reading the handbook. I -am- watching stable@freebsd.org. ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors and miss From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 13:23:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA27136 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:23:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from kilgour.nething.com (kilgour.nething.com [204.253.210.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27119 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:23:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from randy.nething.com (randy.nething.com [204.253.210.83]) by kilgour.nething.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA19217 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:20:50 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970326152247.007dedd0@nething.com> X-Sender: rberndt@nething.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:22:47 -0600 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Randy Berndt Subject: Re: SUP In-Reply-To: <15369.859407136@time.cdrom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:12 PM 3/26/97 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> I understand that. It might have been nice to give warning. However, > >[jkh beats his head against the wall] > >But I'm saying we DID give warning! Lots of warning! More than >adequate warning! The problem is that people don't friggin' LISTEN to >warnings when we give them! We might as well be talking to a field of >stumps when we say "Sup is going away soon! Everyone upgrade to CVSup >and CTM OK? OK??" [Defense of Jordan's efforts mode: ON] I am one of the "lower life forms" (basic clueless admin type), but I do subscribe to stable, current and announce. ---> Even I knew Sup was a dead dog, and that you should switch to CVSup. There was quite a conversation about it at the time. I don't use any of them at the moment, but I checked out CVSup when I saw the change notice (quite a while ago). [Defense of Jordan's efforts mode: OFF] Now, of course, that's not to say that I haven't missed something in the messages, then asked Jordan why he didn't announce it :) Randy Berndt ---------------------------------- AOS/VS, FreeBSD, DOS: I'm caught in a maze of twisty little command interpreters, all different. From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 13:36:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28805 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:36:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28799 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:36:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [204.69.236.50] (GATEWAY.SKIPSTONE.COM [198.214.10.129]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA01731; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:36:10 -0600 (CST) Date: 26 Mar 97 15:38:18 -0600 Subject: Re: SUP From: "Richard Wackerbarth" To: "Warner Losh" Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Cyberdog/2.0b1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Mar 26, 1997 1:55 PM, Warner Losh wrote: >That's true. I just wanna know what the most supported way is at the >moment. I don't have a problem switching to something else as long as >it has approx the same charactersitics as sup: relatively low latency, >gets the whole tree, etc, etc. I'm thinking of actually moving it >over to CTM I feel certain that both CVSup and CTM will be around for some time. They each have characteristics which make them superior to the other for certain "customers". I would STRONGLY encourage EVERYONE to use CTM rather than CVSup if they are routinely updating (be it daily or weekly). CTM has the advantage of being both "push" technology and "store and forward". Its drawbacks are that it does not do dynamic recovery of partially trashed trees and that it updates only periodically. However, there are very few individuals who do not have direct access to freefall and really need updates more than once or twice a day. As for rebuilding partially trashed trees, I would argue that it that is necessary other than on extremely rare occasions, the user is not practicing "safe hex" and should change their methodology. From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 13:41:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29491 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA29472 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:41:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org [127.0.0.1] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.60 #1) id 0wA0Rj-0005q8-00; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:41:27 -0700 To: "Richard Wackerbarth" Subject: Re: SUP Cc: stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "26 Mar 1997 15:38:18 CST." References: Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:41:27 -0700 From: Warner Losh Message-Id: Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message "Richard Wackerbarth" writes: : or twice a day. As for rebuilding partially trashed trees, I would : argue that it that is necessary other than on extremely rare : occasions, the user is not practicing "safe hex" and should change : their methodology. Hmmm, I've only had to reconstruct trees when I ran out of disk space due to a large number of items coming into the tree. What could I have done to prevent that? That's really the only problem I've had with CTM other than an occasional "oops" where things like eBones or secure have gone out accidentally... I'll see about setting up the CTM stuff on the OpenBSD machine that needs it. Should be relatively simple... Warner From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 14:48:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06506 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:48:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06464; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:48:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [204.69.236.50] (GATEWAY.SKIPSTONE.COM [198.214.10.129]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA03662; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:47:56 -0600 (CST) Date: 26 Mar 97 16:50:03 -0600 Subject: Re: FreeBSD-SA-97:02: Buffer overflow in lpd From: "Richard Wackerbarth" To: "FreeBSD Security Officer" Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Cyberdog/2.0b1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Mar 26, 1997 3:37 PM, FreeBSD Security Officer wrote: >FreeBSD-SA-97:02 Security Advisory ... >Affects: FreeBSD 2.1.7 and earlier and FreeBSD 2.2 snapshots > before 1997/02/25 suffer from this problem. >Corrected: FreeBSD-current as of 1997/02/25 > FreeBSD 2.2 as of 1997/02/25 May I ask why you failed to include this correction in our 2.1 distribution? That is still the "stable" branch and SHOULD receive this kind of support at least until 2.2 gains some maturity in the real world. From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 14:48:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06569 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:48:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06562 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:48:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA02707; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:18:35 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199703262248.JAA02707@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: SUP In-Reply-To: from Warner Losh at "Mar 26, 97 11:19:26 am" To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:18:35 +1030 (CST) Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Warner Losh stands accused of saying: > So sup is really really dead. What do people that want to get the stuff > do who aren't running FreeBSD? Has cvsup been ported? Not sure. You want to start with the Modula3 stuff, and that means JDP. I would certainly kill for something better than cup or CTM for tracking other systems; ftp-ing base deltas or using sup is like swimming in warm manure - you'll do it for the gold ingot at the bottom, but not because you like it. > Warner -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 14:53:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07047 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:53:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from hil-img-1.compuserve.com (hil-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.177.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA07037 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:53:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by hil-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id RAA17457; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:52:40 -0500 Date: 26 Mar 97 17:51:08 EST From: Berend de Boer <100120.3121@CompuServe.COM> To: "'FreeBSD stable'" Subject: Re: -current and -stable mailing lists Message-ID: <970326225108_100120.3121_EHU116-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You wrote: >> Ok, Jordan. You asked the question (and stirred up a bunch of traffic >> on this list). Did you come to any conclusion? > >Yes. I came to the conclusion that there is still too much variance >in what people want (which I expected) and that I'm not changing a >single thing about our branch naming as a result. :-) Everyone (or almost everyone) agreed on one thing: the current naming scheme is confusing. Then some proposals were put forward and of course as many people there are, as many proposals, but they were not that different, they all had the same intent: make the naming scheme more intuitive. I think we should now list the proposals, number them, and have a vote. Groetjes, Berend. From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 15:09:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08678 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:09:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anasazi.com (mailhost.anasazi.com [138.113.128.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA08669 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:09:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from chad.anasazi.com by mailhost.anasazi.com (5.65/3.7) id AA19592; Wed, 26 Mar 97 16:08:27 -0700 Received: by chad.anasazi.com (5.65/3.7) id AA08251; Wed, 26 Mar 97 16:08:24 -0700 From: chad@anasazi.com (Chad R. Larson) Message-Id: <9703262308.AA08251@chad.anasazi.com> Subject: Re: SUP To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:08:22 -0700 (MST) Cc: imp@village.org, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <15369.859407136@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 26, 97 12:12:16 pm Reply-To: chad@anasazi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The fact is that no matter what we did, including parking the Goodyear > Blimp over your house with a flashing "Upgrade to CVSup! Upgrade, > Warner, Upgrade!" banner on its belly, you probably wouldn't upgrade > until forced to at gunpoint. You have other demands on your schedule > and upgrades are a hassle, we know that, but please don't misidentify > a human nature issue as a byproduct of "volunteer organization", OK? :-) It =is= a human nature thing. I've been using SUP all along. I understood that much of the world was using CVSup, but SUP was working for me and I didn't want to invest time/effort learning another method. I feared I could wind up killing quite a lot of time, learning the ins and outs of CVS, etc. Why change unless I had to. This week, I had to. It turned out not to be too painful. A lot of necessary information is =only= in the on-line handbook at www.FreeBSD.org; it's nowhere to be found on my 2.1.7 machines. But an evening with Section 17.2 of that handbook, and the man page got me running. I took the easy way out and picked up the static binaries to avoid having to build and deal with Modula-3. I agree that a little more explicit notice would have been appreciated. "It's going away someday" doesn't carry the same imperative as "we're shutting it down next week." -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-870-3330 chad@anasazi.com chad@anasaz.UUCP chad@dcfinc.com Anasazi, Inc. - 7500 North Dreamy Draw Drive, Suite 120, Phoenix, Az 85020 From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 15:17:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09431 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:17:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09421 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA16078; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:17:15 -0800 (PST) To: Dave Hayes cc: Warner Losh , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SUP In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:19:33 PST." <199703262119.NAA16048@kachina.jetcafe.org> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:17:15 -0800 Message-ID: <16074.859418235@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > But I'm saying we DID give warning! Lots of warning! More than > > adequate warning! The problem is that people don't friggin' LISTEN to > > warnings when we give them! We might as well be talking to a field of > > stumps when we say "Sup is going away soon! Everyone upgrade to CVSup > > and CTM OK? OK??" > > Er, Jordan? Much as I hate to stop a good flame, a better way of > saying this might be to cite the mail message(s) you used to announce > this. Well, here's the article which started it. The entire thread which ensued would be too long to post, but the eventual concensus was a resigned "OK, fine, we'll abandon sup - CVSup is simply that much easier to maintain and it's a lot less load on freefall if we don't have to cvs update two trees every day for sup, so a reasonable cost/benefit ratio would seem to exist for this change." Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:12:06 -0700 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" To: John Polstra Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern vfs_subr.c > Are we still supposed to be maintaining RELENG_2_1_0? I thought that > ended when 2.1.5 came out. Just asking -- either way is fine with me. The concensus seems to be that we'll use it as a "support branch" up until the point where some variant of 2.2 is stable enough to upgrade to, then it truly will fade away. I don't expect to be doing any more releases along that branch, mind you, but there's no reason not to throw the folks who are still following it the occasional bone. Speaking of which, what do folks think about shutting down sup access to -stable and forcing a move towards CTM and CVSup for -stablefolk? It's *very* wasteful to have all those supfilesrv process's scanning the entire source tree for what are, at most, a couple of changes a week, not to mention the overhead of cvs updating the checked out version of -stable for sup on freefall. Jordan From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 15:34:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11419 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:34:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from kachina.jetcafe.org (kachina.jetcafe.org [207.155.21.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11404 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:34:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([127.0.0.1]) by kachina.jetcafe.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16896; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:34:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703262334.PAA16896@kachina.jetcafe.org> X-Authentication-Warning: kachina.jetcafe.org: Host [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Warner Losh , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SUP Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:34:08 -0800 From: Dave Hayes Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan writes: > Dave Hayes writes: > > Jordan writes: > > > But I'm saying we DID give warning! Lots of warning! More than > > > adequate warning! The problem is that people don't friggin' LISTEN to > > > warnings when we give them! We might as well be talking to a field of > > > stumps when we say "Sup is going away soon! Everyone upgrade to CVSup > > > and CTM OK? OK??" > > Er, Jordan? Much as I hate to stop a good flame, a better way of > > saying this might be to cite the mail message(s) you used to announce > > this. > Well, here's the article which started it. The entire thread which > ensued would be too long to post, but the eventual concensus was a > resigned "OK, fine, we'll abandon sup - CVSup is simply that much > easier to maintain and it's a lot less load on freefall if we don't > have to cvs update two trees every day for sup, so a reasonable > cost/benefit ratio would seem to exist for this change." ... > Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:12:06 -0700 > From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > To: John Polstra > Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org ... > Speaking of which, what do folks think about shutting down sup access > to -stable and forcing a move towards CTM and CVSup for -stablefolk? Here's your communication problem. People may or may not follow discussions. Perhaps an "official" announcement on the "official" channels (for some definition of "official") would solve this problem in the future? There -is- a freebsd-announce mailing list right? Just announce it next time. I know its an extra step. ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet A certain person may have, as you say, a wonderful presence. I do not know. What I do know is that the person has a wonderfully delightful absence. From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 15:38:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11741 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:38:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11736 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA16208; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:38:10 -0800 (PST) To: chad@anasazi.com cc: imp@village.org, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SUP In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:08:22 MST." <9703262308.AA08251@chad.anasazi.com> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:38:09 -0800 Message-ID: <16205.859419489@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I agree that a little more explicit notice would have been appreciated. > "It's going away someday" doesn't carry the same imperative as "we're > shutting it down next week." Like I said, it "shut itself down" when spatter crashed. Now I'm supposed to predict hard disk failure, on top of all my other jobs? :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 15:54:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA12716 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:54:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12710 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:54:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA16343; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:54:23 -0800 (PST) To: Dave Hayes cc: Warner Losh , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SUP In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:34:08 PST." <199703262334.PAA16896@kachina.jetcafe.org> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:54:23 -0800 Message-ID: <16339.859420463@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Here's your communication problem. People may or may not follow > discussions. Perhaps an "official" announcement on the "official" > channels (for some definition of "official") would solve this problem > in the future? That's an oversimplification of events. I only sent you the start of the thread, as I said, I did not send you every single message in the discussion, up to and including the point where it was more generally announced that the last official sup server was going away and we were in "compatibility only mode." On the 6th of March, I then announced the death of spatter.freebsd.org in -hackers, posting a follow-up shortly afterwards that any services running on it should also be considered suspended until alternate providers could be found. The CNAME for sup.freebsd.org was also pointed to burka.rdy.com, a site which is still running a sup server as far as I know. I really don't know what more we could have done. Yes, I could have posted a more official announcement, but considering that the sup users were supposed to have transitioned over 6 months previously (my first message suggesting this as an advisable course of action was sent in August of 1996!) I just didn't think about it. It's not like spatter was or is the *only* sup site alive at the time. Jordan From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 16:06:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA13642 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:06:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13632 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:06:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970116) with ESMTP id TAA03706; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 19:04:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.webspan.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (WEBSPN/970116) with ESMTP id TAA24440; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 19:04:35 -0500 (EST) To: Warner Losh cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , stable@freebsd.org From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: SUP In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:04:52 MST." Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 19:04:35 -0500 Message-ID: <24438.859421075@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Warner Losh wrote in message ID : > I understand that. It might have been nice to give warning. However, > I do understand how a volunteer organization works and am not too > upset. In Jordan's defence, we DID give warning. We announced that the sup server on Freefall was going to be `core/committers only' (maybe major mirrors too) and be depreciated fast because of the load it was putting poor old freefall under. There are (or were) to the best of my knowledge, other SUP servers that were put forward for public use that were not under our control. The status of those other servers today I am not sure of. Unfortunately, it seems a bit like our `grab the gammas folks and beat the living daylights out of them so we can make a good release' pleas, it fell on deaf ears. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 16:23:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA14935 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:23:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA14884; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:23:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org [127.0.0.1] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.60 #1) id 0wA2y4-00066m-00; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:23:00 -0700 To: "Richard Wackerbarth" Subject: Re: FreeBSD-SA-97:02: Buffer overflow in lpd Cc: "FreeBSD Security Officer" , stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "26 Mar 1997 16:50:03 CST." References: Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:23:00 -0700 From: Warner Losh Message-Id: Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message "Richard Wackerbarth" writes: : On Wed, Mar 26, 1997 3:37 PM, FreeBSD Security Officer : wrote: : >FreeBSD-SA-97:02 Security : Advisory : ... : : >Affects: FreeBSD 2.1.7 and earlier and FreeBSD 2.2 snapshots : > before 1997/02/25 suffer from this problem. : >Corrected: FreeBSD-current as of 1997/02/25 : > FreeBSD 2.2 as of 1997/02/25 : : May I ask why you failed to include this correction in our 2.1 : distribution? : That is still the "stable" branch and SHOULD receive this kind of support : at least until 2.2 gains some maturity in the real world. That was an oversight in the advisory. This has been corrected in the 2.1 branch at the same time it was corrected in the 2.2 and -current branches. Warner From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 16:25:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15164 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:25:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA15153 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:25:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org [127.0.0.1] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.60 #1) id 0wA30R-00067C-00; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:25:27 -0700 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: SUP Cc: chad@anasazi.com, stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:38:09 PST." <16205.859419489@time.cdrom.com> References: <16205.859419489@time.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:25:27 -0700 From: Warner Losh Message-Id: Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <16205.859419489@time.cdrom.com> "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: : Like I said, it "shut itself down" when spatter crashed. Now I'm : supposed to predict hard disk failure, on top of all my other jobs? :-) There were some recent dilberts that had Dilbert predict all "unplanned down times" and his boss didn't get it :-). Warner From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 16:31:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA16165 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:31:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA16135; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:31:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org [127.0.0.1] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.60 #1) id 0wA367-000688-00; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:31:19 -0700 Subject: Re: FreeBSD-SA-97:02: Buffer overflow in lpd To: "Richard Wackerbarth" , "FreeBSD Security Officer" , stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:23:00 MST." References: Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:31:18 -0700 From: Warner Losh Message-Id: Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In message Warner Losh writes: : That was an oversight in the advisory. This has been corrected in the : 2.1 branch at the same time it was corrected in the 2.2 and -current : branches. I just wanted to add that I wrote the advisory, and it was my first one. I also muffed the date, so I'm going to put a revised version (signed of course) on the FTP site. Warner -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMzm/wNxynu/2qPVhAQErdwP/QHTYH8i1KrJTk4piDJBnKEqrFtKtM4oy nrQhFtr5NDuRyade7/xGinRlqKXBPsV8ZUFM2+9ie9PHj9lqJnVlUABWypuAQMbH SGdMrygZ+HfjsE9RPIP26b1ARo4HJgcqlsnLEKi4M+KSsqrdQeRw/DkZCW4J7GHT ZUY93ROaE6s= =qXLg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 16:39:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA16740 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:39:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from bofh.noc.best.net (rone@bofh.noc.best.net [205.149.163.54]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16730 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:39:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rone@localhost) by bofh.noc.best.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA23062; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:39:10 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Echeverri Message-Id: <199703270039.QAA23062@bofh.noc.best.net> Subject: Re: SUP In-Reply-To: <16339.859420463@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Mar 26, 97 03:54:23 pm" To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:39:10 -0800 (PST) Cc: imp@village.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard writes: On the 6th of March, I then announced the death of spatter.freebsd.org in -hackers, posting a follow-up shortly afterwards that any services running on it should also be considered suspended until alternate providers could be found. The CNAME for sup.freebsd.org was also pointed to burka.rdy.com, a site which is still running a sup server as far as I know. Until last night, when it was shut off permanently. I just didn't think about it. It's not like spatter was or is the *only* sup site alive at the time. As far as i know, burka was the only one left. I suppose burka's admin could've given more warning, but he's been busy lately... rone -- Ron Echeverri Best Internet Usenet Administration rone@best.net +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ "hindsight" "second-guessing" "handholding" "pie in the sky" From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 16:50:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA17649 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:50:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.uniserve.com (mercury.uniserve.com [204.191.197.248]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA17640 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:50:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by mercury.uniserve.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id QAA10625; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:46:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:55:34 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Bradley Dunn cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 16 char usernames merge? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 26 Mar 1997, Bradley Dunn wrote: > Hi, > > I am just wondering...Are there are any plans to merge the 16 character > username changes into the RELENG_2_2 branch? I know the original commit > message said: > "This is not for 2.2! This needs to get shaken out longer term in 3.0." > but, hey, that was almost four months ago. :) > > Just curious...Thanks! > > pbd > > -- > "...Thought that I was warm like a mother, lover, brother > Brother, she was wrong > Me, I don't long to belong" > Tears for Fears -- "Cold" > > It is easy change, but so many ports depend on utmp.h, so they would need to be re-built. I don't think 2.1 will EVER get this change. I've doing this change to my own tree for some time, but I don't use many of the ports. Tom From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 16:55:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA18048 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:55:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from bofh.noc.best.net (rone@bofh.noc.best.net [205.149.163.54]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18041 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rone@localhost) by bofh.noc.best.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA24443; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:55:15 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Echeverri Message-Id: <199703270055.QAA24443@bofh.noc.best.net> Subject: Re: SUP In-Reply-To: <9703262308.AA08251@chad.anasazi.com> from "Chad R. Larson" at "Mar 26, 97 04:08:22 pm" To: chad@anasazi.com Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:55:15 -0800 (PST) Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chad R. Larson writes: Why change unless I had to. This week, I had to. It turned out not to be too painful. This sums it up for me, too. I switched over when spatter died and burka was overwhelmed with new suppers. A lot of necessary information is =only= in the on-line handbook at www.FreeBSD.org; it's nowhere to be found on my 2.1.7 machines. But an evening with Section 17.2 of that handbook, and the man page got me running. I took the easy way out and picked up the static binaries to avoid having to build and deal with Modula-3. It didn't even take me that long, fortunately; all i had to do was go to /usr/ports/net/cvsup, "make install", and convert my supfiles to cvsupfiles. Most of the delay was waiting for modula-3 to finish building (holy shit! i thought emacs was big....). rone -- Ron Echeverri Best Internet Usenet Administration rone@best.net +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ "hindsight" "second-guessing" "handholding" "pie in the sky" From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 17:21:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA19723 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:21:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19717 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:21:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02249; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:21:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703270121.RAA02249@austin.polstra.com> To: imp@village.org Subject: Re: SUP Newsgroups: polstra.freebsd.stable In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: stable@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:21:04 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article , Warner Losh wrote: > So sup is really really dead. What do people that want to get the stuff > do who aren't running FreeBSD? Has cvsup been ported? It's reasonably portable to POSIX-like systems. For example, the latest beta version (14.1.4) builds more-or-less out of the box on Linux systems. I say "more-or-less" just because the Makefiles are FreeBSD-specific. But you can build it by hand quite simply by going into 4 subdirectories in the right order and typing "m3build" Other than the issue of the Makefiles, there were no problems reported for Linux. The main difference (from a portability standpoint) between 14.1.1 and 14.1.4 is that I included the necessary bits of "libmd" in 14.1.4. People on non-FreeBSD systems always had trouble getting that part built before. 14.1.4 is in the BETA subdirectory at the standard distribution points. It's really called beta only because I had a few more features I wanted to put in before making a full-fledged release. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 17:39:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA21160 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:39:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21148 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA04549; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:08:16 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199703270138.MAA04549@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: SUP In-Reply-To: <199703270055.QAA24443@bofh.noc.best.net> from Ron Echeverri at "Mar 26, 97 04:55:15 pm" To: rone@bofh.noc.best.net (Ron Echeverri) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:08:16 +1030 (CST) Cc: chad@anasazi.com, stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ron Echeverri stands accused of saying: > > It didn't even take me that long, fortunately; all i had to do was go > to /usr/ports/net/cvsup, "make install", and convert my supfiles to > cvsupfiles. Most of the delay was waiting for modula-3 to finish > building (holy shit! i thought emacs was big....). ... and of course if you'd read any of the announcements, you would have gone to ftp<.nation>.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/cvsup and grabbed the latest binary client, which is statically linked and requires no extra help at all. > Ron Echeverri Best Internet Usenet Administration rone@best.net -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 17:40:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA21316 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:40:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21311 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:40:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02369; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:40:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703270140.RAA02369@austin.polstra.com> To: imp@village.org Subject: Re: SUP Newsgroups: polstra.freebsd.stable In-Reply-To: References: <15004.859403959@time.cdrom.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: stable@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:40:02 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article , Warner Losh wrote: > In message <15004.859403959@time.cdrom.com> "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > : > So sup is really really dead. What do people that want to get the stuff > : > do who aren't running FreeBSD? Has cvsup been ported? > : > : Ported to... what? :-) > > Well, I did have OpenBSD in mind. If OpenBSD will run statically-linked FreeBSD executables (will it?), then there's no porting to be done. There's at least one BSDi machine that's just using the static CVSup executable, and it's working fine. One important note: you might have to add a magic "@M3novm" option to the command line on non-FreeBSD systems. Don't ask. :-) John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 17:46:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA21757 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:46:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21751 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA02473; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:44:32 +1100 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:44:32 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199703270144.MAA02473@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: imp@village.org, rkw@dataplex.net Subject: Re: SUP Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Hmmm, I've only had to reconstruct trees when I ran out of disk space >due to a large number of items coming into the tree. What could I >have done to prevent that? That's really the only problem I've had >with CTM other than an occasional "oops" where things like eBones or >secure have gone out accidentally... I've had to edit the CTM updates about 20 times due to them failing when I ran out of disk space. (Technique: edit .ctm_status to reduce the number by 1; then remove items that have already been updated from the CTM input file; then run ctm and note the md5 mismatch; then edit the CTM input file to fix the mismatch.) I think this easier now using some option to ignore already-updated files. BTW, ctm -? doesn't give a usage message. Bruce From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 17:55:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA22433 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:55:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA22416 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:54:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02297; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:26:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703270126.RAA02297@austin.polstra.com> To: chad@anasazi.com Subject: Re: SUP Newsgroups: polstra.freebsd.stable In-Reply-To: <9703262308.AA08251@chad.anasazi.com> References: <9703262308.AA08251@chad.anasazi.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: stable@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:26:29 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <9703262308.AA08251@chad.anasazi.com>, Chad R. Larson wrote: > Why change unless I had to. > > This week, I had to. It turned out not to be too painful. A lot of > necessary information is =only= in the on-line handbook at > www.FreeBSD.org; it's nowhere to be found on my 2.1.7 machines. True, that's the price of progress. New things are (hopefully) better than old things. :-) > But an > evening with Section 17.2 of that handbook, and the man page got me > running. Hmm, wasn't the "supconv" utility plus the "Quick Start for FreeBSD SUP Users" section of the man page adequate? Is there something I could do to improve those parts? > I took the easy way out and picked up the static binaries to > avoid having to build and deal with Modula-3. Probably a good idea. I never get any bug reports about problems building CVSup, but I get plenty about problems building Modula-3. :-( John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 17:55:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA22472 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:55:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA22464 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:55:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02324; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:33:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703270133.RAA02324@austin.polstra.com> To: edmond@shaman.lycaeum.org Subject: Re: SUP server Newsgroups: polstra.freebsd.stable In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: stable@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:33:18 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article , Andrew N. Edmond wrote: > Well, after spending a few hours reading all about CVSup, downloading the > binary for my 2.1.5 machine, and getting a supfile from the stable tree, > it's a no go. > [...] > I appreciate all the (*free*) work the development team puts into FreeBSD, > but if I may be so bold as to ask for at least a little information and/or > steps needed switch from being a SUP user to a CVSup user? > > Oh yes, here is the error I am receiving, and the three supfiles I've > tried are attached: > [...] > shaman: {93} cvsup -g -L 2 supfile.cvsup > Parsing supfile "supfile.cvsup" > Nonexistent base directory "/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable" for > collection "src-base" I'm sorry you're having trouble, but the answer to this is in the manual page: base=base This specifies a directory under which cvsup will maintain its bookkeeping files, describing the state of each collec- tion on the client machine. The base directory must already exist; cvsup will not create it. The default base directory is /usr/local/etc/cvsup. Just create the directory, and try again. Section 17.2 of the FreeBSD Handbook might also be helpful. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 18:11:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA23459 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:11:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA23454 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:11:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02551; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:11:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703270211.SAA02551@austin.polstra.com> To: rone@bofh.noc.best.net Subject: Re: SUP Newsgroups: polstra.freebsd.stable In-Reply-To: <199703270055.QAA24443@bofh.noc.best.net> References: <199703270055.QAA24443@bofh.noc.best.net> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: stable@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:11:21 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199703270055.QAA24443@bofh.noc.best.net>, Ron Echeverri wrote: > It didn't even take me that long, fortunately; all i had to do was go > to /usr/ports/net/cvsup, "make install", and convert my supfiles to > cvsupfiles. Most of the delay was waiting for modula-3 to finish > building (holy shit! i thought emacs was big....). Heh. You should have seen it before I stripped it down to the bare essentials ... :-) -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 23:40:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA10585 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:40:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebee.tu-graz.ac.at (root@freebee.tu-graz.ac.at [129.27.193.128]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA10579 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:40:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from dwarf.tu-graz.ac.at (isdn068.tu-graz.ac.at [129.27.240.68]) by freebee.tu-graz.ac.at (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA08690 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:40:13 +0100 Received: (from rmike@localhost) by dwarf.tu-graz.ac.at (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA00183; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:40:04 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:40:03 +0100 (MET) From: Michael Ranner Reply-To: rmike@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: ppp problem? Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry, I forgot! These problems appeared under 2.1.5R /\/\ichael Ranner - rmike@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at http://www.sbox.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rmike/ . . + + . - - - - - ----* . . + Where there's foo, there's fire! From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 23:40:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA10608 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:40:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebee.tu-graz.ac.at (root@freebee.tu-graz.ac.at [129.27.193.128]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA10597 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from dwarf.tu-graz.ac.at (isdn068.tu-graz.ac.at [129.27.240.68]) by freebee.tu-graz.ac.at (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA08701 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:40:19 +0100 Received: (from rmike@localhost) by dwarf.tu-graz.ac.at (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA00436; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:35:37 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:35:37 +0100 (MET) From: Michael Ranner Reply-To: rmike@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: ppp and SIOCAIFADDR: File exists Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello there! I have problems with /usr/sbin/ppp. Every second start I get the error message "SIOCAIFADDR: File exists". But the output of the ppp.log seems to be ok, and it also says "PPP on dwarf", so that it seems it has a ppp connection. Sometimes I get also the message "rtinit: wrong ifa ...", but I dont know, if this has something to do with the first error message. Thanks, /\/\ichael Ranner - rmike@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at http://www.sbox.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rmike/ . . + + . - - - - - ----* . . + Where there's foo, there's fire! From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 26 23:47:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA10996 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:47:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anasazi.com (mailhost.anasazi.com [138.113.128.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA10990 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:47:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from chad.anasazi.com by mailhost.anasazi.com (5.65/3.7) id AA23134; Thu, 27 Mar 97 00:47:10 -0700 Received: by chad.anasazi.com (5.65/3.7) id AA09178; Thu, 27 Mar 97 00:47:07 -0700 From: chad@anasazi.com (Chad R. Larson) Message-Id: <9703270747.AA09178@chad.anasazi.com> Subject: documentation suggestion To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:47:06 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <755.859362576@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 25, 97 11:49:36 pm Reply-To: chad@anasazi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just spent a couple of hours trying to put together my first "package" under FreeBSD. I had come to the conclusion that the "@srcdir" pseudo filename in the contents file was broken. I solved my riddle by reading the source code to pkg_create. That's why we're all here, right? Here's the contents file I was trying to use: @name ediff-v2 @owner bin @group bin @srcdir /usr/local/src/ediff @cwd /usr/local/bin ediff @cwd /usr/local/man/man1 ediff.1 You've probably already spotted the error. Here's the file that finally worked: @name ediff-v2 @owner bin @group bin @cwd /usr/local/bin @srcdir /usr/local/src/ediff ediff @cwd /usr/local/man/man1 @srcdir /usr/local/src/ediff ediff.1 Silly me. I took the word "override" in the man page literally. I quote: @srcdir directory Sets the internal directory pointer for _creation only_ to directory. That is to say that it overrides @cwd for package creation but not extraction. How about instead for the second sentence to read "Works just like @cwd except it is ignored during extraction." -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-870-3330 chad@anasazi.com chad@anasaz.UUCP chad@dcfinc.com Anasazi, Inc. - 7500 North Dreamy Draw Drive, Suite 120, Phoenix, Az 85020 From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 27 00:01:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA11658 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:01:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA11648 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:00:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA09880; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:00:54 -0800 (PST) To: chad@anasazi.com cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: documentation suggestion In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:47:06 MST." <9703270747.AA09178@chad.anasazi.com> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:00:54 -0800 Message-ID: <9876.859449654@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Silly me. I took the word "override" in the man page literally. I > quote: > > @srcdir directory > Sets the internal directory pointer for _creation only_ to directory. > That is to say that it overrides @cwd for package creation but > not extraction. > > How about instead for the second sentence to read "Works just like @cwd > except it is ignored during extraction." Uh, but it's correct. :-) @srcdir really does override, that is to say overlay, @cwd. The two values can exist independantly of one another and @srcdir is only preferred if seen during creation, after that the @cwd variable takes precedence. Jordan From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 27 00:40:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA13920 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:40:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from python.shoal.net.au (andrew@python.shoal.net.au [203.26.44.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA13911 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by python.shoal.net.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA07901; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:39:42 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:39:42 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew Perry To: Michael Ranner cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ppp and SIOCAIFADDR: File exists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk don't these usually go to questions? i think you have to make sure you don't ifconfig tun0 in /etc/sysconfig user ppp will do this automatically Andrew Perry andrew@shoal.net.au On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Michael Ranner wrote: > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:35:37 +0100 (MET) > From: Michael Ranner > To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > Subject: ppp and SIOCAIFADDR: File exists > > > Hello there! > > I have problems with /usr/sbin/ppp. Every second start I get the error > message "SIOCAIFADDR: File exists". But the output of the ppp.log seems > to be ok, and it also says "PPP on dwarf", so that it seems it has a ppp > connection. > > Sometimes I get also the message "rtinit: wrong ifa ...", but I dont > know, if this has something to do with the first error message. > > Thanks, > > /\/\ichael Ranner - rmike@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at > http://www.sbox.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rmike/ > . . + > + . > - - - - - ----* > . . + > Where there's foo, there's fire! > > From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 27 10:06:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04830 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 10:06:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from nora.pcug.co.uk (Nora.PCUG.CO.UK [192.68.174.71]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA04806 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 10:06:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from imdb.demon.co.uk by nora.pcug.co.uk id aa03196; 27 Mar 97 18:05 GMT Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:05:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Rob Hartill X-Sender: robh@localhost To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: make word failures Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk With cvsup'ed src'es, a make world dies with: cc -O2 -m486 -pipe -c /usr/src/sbin/dumpfs/dumpfs.c /usr/src/sbin/dumpfs/dumpfs.c: In function `dumpfs': /usr/src/sbin/dumpfs/dumpfs.c:150: structure has no member named `fs_headswitch' /usr/src/sbin/dumpfs/dumpfs.c:150: structure has no member named `fs_trkseek' *** Error code 1 I've seen this on two machines. One that was moving from 2.1.7 to 2.2 and another that had a week old 2.2 on it but was cvsup'ed this morning to see if it'd break too. Also, in /usr/src/sbin/fsirand Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/src/sbin/fsirand cc -O2 -m486 -pipe -c fsirand.c cc -O2 -m486 -pipe -static -o fsirand fsirand.o -lutil fsirand.o: Undefined symbol `_srandomdev' referenced from text segment *** Error code 1 -=-=- Are the sources messed up or did I break something at this end ? thanks in advance. rob From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 27 10:07:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02493 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:52:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02435 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:52:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id GAA04039 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 06:25:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id IAA25122; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:24:15 -0600 Received: from p75.mixcom.com(198.137.186.25) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma025078; Thu Mar 27 14:23:47 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970327081617.00ba6ac0@mixcom.com> X-Sender: sysop@mixcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:16:17 -0600 To: rmike@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: ppp and SIOCAIFADDR: File exists Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 08:35 AM 3/27/97 +0100, Michael Ranner wrote: > >Hello there! > >I have problems with /usr/sbin/ppp. Every second start I get the error >message "SIOCAIFADDR: File exists". But the output of the ppp.log seems >to be ok, and it also says "PPP on dwarf", so that it seems it has a ppp >connection. This is normal, at least when you alias an IP to the ether port. >Sometimes I get also the message "rtinit: wrong ifa ...", but I dont >know, if this has something to do with the first error message. No clue. ------------------------------------------- Jeff Mountin - System/Network Administrator jeff@mixcom.net MIX Communications Serving the Internet since 1990 From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 27 12:31:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA19114 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:31:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (kerouac.deepwell.com [207.212.140.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19106 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:31:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from baudelaire ([207.212.140.188]) by kerouac.deepwell.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12198) with SMTP id AAA176 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:25:58 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970327203022.0097a320@deepwell.com> X-Sender: Matt@deepwell.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:30:22 -0800 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Matt Eagleson Subject: Re: make word failures Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have also had this on a 2.2 machine I cvsup'ed last night. I am doing something wrong?? At 06:05 PM 3/27/97 +0000, you wrote: >With cvsup'ed src'es, a make world dies with: > >cc -O2 -m486 -pipe -c /usr/src/sbin/dumpfs/dumpfs.c >/usr/src/sbin/dumpfs/dumpfs.c: In function `dumpfs': >/usr/src/sbin/dumpfs/dumpfs.c:150: structure has no member named `fs_headswitch' >/usr/src/sbin/dumpfs/dumpfs.c:150: structure has no member named `fs_trkseek' >*** Error code 1 >Are the sources messed up or did I break something at this end ? From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 27 13:14:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA22793 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anasazi.com (mailhost.anasazi.com [138.113.128.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA22783 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:14:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from chad.anasazi.com by mailhost.anasazi.com (5.65/3.7) id AA02838; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:13:56 -0700 Received: by chad.anasazi.com (5.65/3.7) id AA10220; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:13:53 -0700 From: chad@anasazi.com (Chad R. Larson) Message-Id: <9703272113.AA10220@chad.anasazi.com> Subject: Re: documentation suggestion To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:13:51 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9876.859449654@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 27, 97 00:00:54 am Reply-To: chad@anasazi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Silly me. I took the word "override" in the man page literally. I > > quote: > > > > @srcdir directory > > Sets the internal directory pointer for _creation only_ to directory. > > That is to say that it overrides @cwd for package creation but > > not extraction. > > > > How about instead for the second sentence to read "Works just like @cwd > > except it is ignored during extraction." > > Uh, but it's correct. :-) > > @srcdir really does override, that is to say overlay, @cwd. The two > values can exist independantly of one another and @srcdir is only > preferred if seen during creation, after that the @cwd variable > takes precedence. > > Jordan > But look at my first cut (the one that didn't work). Up near the top I had a @srcdir that pointed to the dirctory (/usr/local/src/ediff) where the development of the package was taking place. I expected that to take precedence ("override") during the creation process. But the subsequent @cwd statements (to /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/man) still caused a "-C" switch to be shoved down the pipe to tar. I ended up having to cover each @cwd with another @srcdir, and in that order. An understandable behavior, having read the code. But not what I read the man page to say. I'm suggesting verbage in the man page to clarify the behavior. That is, that @srcdir is ignored during extraction and acted upon during creation, but that @cwd is acted upon both times. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-870-3330 chad@anasazi.com chad@anasaz.UUCP chad@dcfinc.com Anasazi, Inc. - 7500 North Dreamy Draw Drive, Suite 120, Phoenix, Az 85020 From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 27 13:20:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA23546 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:20:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from Bob.cstone.net (bob.cstone.net [205.197.102.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA23507 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:20:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from Gosub.cstone.net ([205.197.102.33]) by Bob.cstone.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11972) with ESMTP id AAA20426 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:20:29 -0500 Message-ID: <333AE588.46DC@cstone.net> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:24:24 -0500 From: pauln@cstone.net (Paul Nguyen) Reply-To: pauln@cstone.net Organization: Cornerstone Networks X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b2 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make word failures X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <2.2.32.19970327203022.0097a320@deepwell.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Matt Eagleson wrote: I have also had this on a 2.2 machine I cvsup'ed last night. I am doing something wrong?? At 06:05 PM 3/27/97 +0000, you wrote: >With cvsup'ed src'es, a make world dies with: > >cc -O2 -m486 -pipe -c /usr/src/sbin/dumpfs/dumpfs.c >/usr/src/sbin/dumpfs/dumpfs.c: In function `dumpfs': >/usr/src/sbin/dumpfs/dumpfs.c:150: structure has no member named `fs_headswitch' >/usr/src/sbin/dumpfs/dumpfs.c:150: structure has no member named `fs_trkseek' >*** Error code 1 >Are the sources messed up or did I break something at this end ? I cvsup'ed two days ago on 3 machines here and everything went fine here. I did the 2_2_1_RELENG. Maybe you guys should try cvsuping again today. -Paul From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 27 15:43:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03576 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:43:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03563 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:43:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA09477; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:43:01 -0800 (PST) To: chad@anasazi.com cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: documentation suggestion In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:13:51 MST." <9703272113.AA10220@chad.anasazi.com> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:43:01 -0800 Message-ID: <9474.859506181@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > An understandable behavior, having read the code. But not what I read > the man page to say. I'm suggesting verbage in the man page to clarify > the behavior. That is, that @srcdir is ignored during extraction and > acted upon during creation, but that @cwd is acted upon both times. Hrm. OK, send me the diffs and I'll review/commit. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 28 15:39:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA12535 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 15:39:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (kerouac.deepwell.com [207.212.140.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12530 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 15:39:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from dante.deepwell.com ([207.212.140.203]) by kerouac.deepwell.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12198) with SMTP id AAA77 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 15:33:22 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970328153553.00bb90ac@deepwell.com> X-Sender: matt@deepwell.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 15:35:53 -0800 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Matt Eagleson Subject: Make World Failure (Still) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I must be stupid but I can't get RELENG_2_2 to make. cc -O2 -m486 -pipe -c /usr/src/sbin/dumpfs/dumpfs.c /usr/src/sbin/dumpfs/dumpfs.c: In function `dumpfs': /usr/src/sbin/dumpfs/dumpfs.c:150: structure has no member named `fs_headswitch' /usr/src/sbin/dumpfs/dumpfs.c:150: structure has no member named `fs_trkseek' *** Error code 1 This is the supfile I'm using: ----------------------------------- *default tag=RELENG_2_2 *default host=releng22.FreeBSD.org *default prefix=/usr *default base=/usr/local/etc/cvsup *default release=cvs delete use-rel-suffix compress src-all cvs-crypto ----------------------------------- What am I doing wrong? From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 28 21:25:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA09888 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 21:25:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs.rice.edu (cs.rice.edu [128.42.1.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09875 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 21:24:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from asia.cs.rice.edu (asia.cs.rice.edu [128.42.1.167]) by cs.rice.edu (8.8.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA18732 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 23:24:39 -0600 (CST) From: "Mark W. Krentel" Received: (from krentel@localhost) by asia.cs.rice.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id XAA08927 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 23:24:38 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 23:24:38 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703290524.XAA08927@asia.cs.rice.edu> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Make World Failure (Still) Sender: owner-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > cc -O2 -m486 -pipe -c /usr/src/sbin/dumpfs/dumpfs.c > /usr/src/sbin/dumpfs/dumpfs.c: In function `dumpfs': > /usr/src/sbin/dumpfs/dumpfs.c:150: structure has no member named > `fs_headswitch' > /usr/src/sbin/dumpfs/dumpfs.c:150: structure has no member named `fs_trkseek' > *** Error code 1 A friend of mine cvsup'd RELENG_2_2 on Thursday and ran into the same problem, so he did some digging through the source code. Look in the CVS repository (under "Support" from www.freebsd.org). Wednesday night, there was a change to /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/fs.h. Look at entry 1.7.2.1 and the diffs to 1.7. They include: long fs_npsect; /* # sectors/track including spares */ long fs_interleave; /* hardware sector interleave */ long fs_trackskew; /* sector 0 skew, per track */ - long fs_headswitch; /* head switch time, usec */ - long fs_trkseek; /* track-to-track seek, usec */ +/* fs_id takes the space of the unused fs_headswitch and fs_trkseek fields */ + long fs_id[2]; /* unique filesystem id */ /* sizes determined by number of cylinder groups and their sizes */ daddr_t fs_csaddr; /* blk addr of cyl grp summary area */ long fs_cssize; /* size of cyl grp summary area */ And you can see that the two names that dumpfs.c wants were changed. Oh well, it happens, no reason to panic. There's already an update to dumpfs.c in current. Hopefully it will find its way into 2.2 fairly soon. Mark Krentel Rice University From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 28 22:40:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA12964 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 22:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA12959 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 22:40:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA19012; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 22:40:21 -0800 (PST) To: "Mark W. Krentel" cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Make World Failure (Still) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 28 Mar 1997 23:24:38 CST." <199703290524.XAA08927@asia.cs.rice.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 22:40:21 -0800 Message-ID: <19009.859617621@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Look in the CVS repository (under "Support" from www.freebsd.org). > Wednesday night, there was a change to /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/fs.h. > Look at entry 1.7.2.1 and the diffs to 1.7. They include: I just got annoyed enough to commit a fix. :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 29 16:24:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA24128 for stable-outgoing; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 16:24:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ohio.river.org (ohio.river.org [199.4.65.219]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24121 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 16:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dhawk@localhost) by ohio.river.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA07858; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 16:23:27 -0800 (PST) From: David Hawkins Message-Id: <199703300023.QAA07858@ohio.river.org> Subject: Location of cvsup? (was Re: SUP) To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 16:23:27 -0800 (PST) Cc: stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703270138.MAA04549@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Mar 27, 97 12:08:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > ... and of course if you'd read any of the announcements, you would > have gone to ftp<.nation>.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/cvsup and grabbed the > latest binary client, which is statically linked and requires no extra > help at all. I tried ftp.freebsd.org and ftp.ca.freebsd.org and didn't find the already compiled cvsup there in that path (or in ports or RELEASE, etc.) Anyone got a pointer to where I can get the above mentioned file? Thanks. (I haven't been on the list that long and missed any prior announcement -- like I missed the previous announcement that sup was going away.) later, david -- David Hawkins -- dhawk@river.org Do you know what a pessimist is? A person who thinks everybody as nasty as himself, and hates them for it. -- George Bernard Shaw From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 29 17:41:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA26835 for stable-outgoing; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 17:41:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ohio.river.org (ohio.river.org [199.4.65.219]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26830 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 17:41:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dhawk@localhost) by ohio.river.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA09505 for stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 17:40:49 -0800 (PST) From: David Hawkins Message-Id: <199703300140.RAA09505@ohio.river.org> Subject: CVSup - Found It! Never Mind To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 17:40:49 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Turns out it's on a machine called freefall: Where to Get CVSup ------------------ CVSup is free software. It is available from the following FTP sites: ftp://freefall.freebsd.org/pub/CVSup/ ftp://ftp.polstra.com/pub/FreeBSD/CVSup/ (slow; avoid if possible) Full sources as well as FreeBSD binaries are available: cvsup-bin-14.1.1.tar.gz FreeBSD static binaries for the client cvsupd-bin-14.1.1.tar.gz FreeBSD static binaries for the server cvsup-14.1.1.tar.gz Sources ** later, david -- David Hawkins -- dhawk@river.org Do you know what a pessimist is? A person who thinks everybody as nasty as himself, and hates them for it. -- George Bernard Shaw