From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 1 04:30:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA28674 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 04:30:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA28593 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 04:30:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id EAA27035; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 04:30:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.nk.rim.or.jp (mail.nk.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA28280 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 04:25:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuma@nk.rim.or.jp) Received: from oasis.laurel.nk.rim.or.jp (ppp025.nk.rim.or.jp [202.247.176.25]) by mail.nk.rim.or.jp (8.8.5/3.6W-RIMNET-98-06-09) with ESMTP id VAA13902 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 21:25:46 +0900 (JST) Received: by oasis.laurel.nk.rim.or.jp (8.8.8/3.3W6-mini980720) id OAA01070; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 14:59:39 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199811010559.OAA01070@oasis.laurel.nk.rim.or.jp> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 14:59:39 +0900 (JST) From: kuma@jp.freebsd.org Reply-To: kuma@jp.freebsd.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/8525: A typo in fixprint.8 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 8525 >Category: docs >Synopsis: '.Mn mountd' should be '.Nm mountd', I guess. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Nov 1 04:30:01 PST 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Norihiro Kumagai >Organization: FreeBSD Japanese Manpage Translation Project >Release: FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386 >Environment: 3.0-RELEASE Distribution >Description: In 'fixmount.8', we can find the following phrase: To take care of these cases, the remote /etc/rmtab file has to be edited and restarted. I guess it should be: To take care of these cases, the remote /etc/rmtab file has to be edited and mountd restarted. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Apply the following patch; --- fixmount.8-org Sat Oct 24 00:05:26 1998 +++ fixmount.8 Sun Nov 1 14:54:10 1998 @@ -152,7 +152,7 @@ the remote .Pa /etc/rmtab file has to be edited and -.Mn mountd +.Nm mountd restarted. .Pp The RPC timeouts for >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 1 04:52:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA01209 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 04:52:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA01203 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 04:52:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from w@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id NAA21839; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 13:52:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from w@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from w@localhost) by campa.panke.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA00850; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 08:48:49 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from w) Message-ID: <19981101084848.A846@panke.de.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 08:48:48 +0100 From: Wolfram Schneider To: Malartre , Sue Blake , Peter da Silva , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New prototype for the FreeBSD homepage References: <19981028151508.A8115@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <19981028232318.35249@nothing-going-on.org> <19981029132834.A17530@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de>,<19981029132834.A17530@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <19981101061204.63924@welearn.com.au> <199810312135.PAA17201@bonkers.taronga.com> <19981101084334.31126@welearn.com.au> <363BFA57.E061C36@aei.ca> <363BFCB9.6B2C278C@aei.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <363BFCB9.6B2C278C@aei.ca>; from Malartre on Sun, Nov 01, 1998 at 01:16:26AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1998-11-01 01:16:26 -0500, Malartre wrote: > > Or simply write in BOLD in the right column under "What is FreeBSD" > > "FreeBSD is an advanced BSD UNIX operating system for "PC-compatible" > > computers, developed and maintained by a large team of individuals. > > It is not a simple application, but a powerfull operating system at > > the same level has Win95 and MacOS that don't run Win95-MacOS > > applications." > > In a better/more concise way than me. > > Cya > And a screenshot which would be different from Win95 would be helpfull > for a newbie to understand the concept. Including some Xterm and the > normal stuff like Netscape/The Gimp, etc... >From my memory, FreeBSD screenshots are available at http://www.cdrom.com Wolfram To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 1 06:53:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA16306 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 06:53:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cepheus.azstarnet.com (cepheus.azstarnet.com [169.197.56.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA16300 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 06:53:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rpratt@azstarnet.com) Received: from azstarnet.com (dialup21ip098.tus.azstarnet.com [169.197.40.98]) by cepheus.azstarnet.com (8.8.5-nerd/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA23213; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 07:53:06 -0700 (MST) X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <363C75F1.6897733A@azstarnet.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 07:53:37 -0700 From: Randy Pratt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Malartre CC: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install Preview of FreeBSD 2.2.7 References: <363BBF42.CF8C57F3@azstarnet.com> <363BF2F0.D1012DE3@aei.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Malartre wrote: > > Randy wrote: > > > > I finished the Install Preview of FreeBSD 2.2.7 and uploaded to: > > http://www.freebsd.org/~rpratt/227/index.html > > > > Thanks for all the direct comments on the last version. Those were > > incorporated as well as a general re-organization in multiple page > > format. > > > > Randy > Great work! > Just one error: > Starting from:http://www.freebsd.org/~rpratt/227/ftp_anon.html > to:http://www.freebsd.org/~rpratt/227/freebsdboot.html > The link at bottom:Install Preview of FreeBSD : FreeBSD Bootup > is pointing to www.freebsd.org/index.html > I think it should be pointing to > http://www.freebsd.org/~rpratt/227/index.html > Tank you It's corrected. Thanks. I apologize to the group for the incorrect email address on my last post. Randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 1 10:14:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11908 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 10:14:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vedanix.welearn.com.au (vedanix.welearn.com.au [203.35.200.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11901 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 10:14:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@vedanix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by vedanix.welearn.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA10959; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 05:21:37 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Message-ID: <19981102052137.50161@welearn.com.au> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 05:21:37 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Sean Kelly Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: Handbook reorganisation Mail-Followup-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Sean Kelly , Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <363A1E89.DFEC36A0@plutotech.com> <18181.909783311@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <18181.909783311@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Fri, Oct 30, 1998 at 01:35:11PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Oct 30, 1998 at 01:35:11PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Commenting on the new organization would be easier if we were to make a > > statement about what the intended goal and audience is: should the > > handbook be targeted to the lowest, most computer-unaware user possible, > > or is some familiarity with Unix assumed (for example)? This should be > > I think the only real answer to this question is: Yes. :-) > > The usual compromise approach is to make each chapter or section > follow the same basic flow pattern: You start with simple, 3-4 letter > words for the beginning and focus on "how to" style information and > then gradually get more technical until you're covering hacker-level > information at the end, capped by a further reading section that > really goes off into the deep end if one exists. That sounds great if the levels are clearly marked. Some chapters or sections will be mostly easy stuff and some will move to more advanced stuff very early. The start and stop signs need to be obvious. The first few times I read the Handbook, I read it from cover to cover without any idea that some was unnecessary. The "easy" bits were as incomprehensible to me as the advanced stuff so it seemed like it all had to be conquered before installing. > That way the novice users can just read as far as they need to and > stop (which their limited attention spam more or less guarantees > anyway ;) Ahem :-) their attention span is the same, i.e., they can take in exactly the same amount of new information as anyone else. It is difficult for doc writers to realise how many unfamiliar concepts can be crammed into a single sentence which sounds like a single point to them. Some novices study on anyway, and get so fed up with the effort (not knowing they can stop) that they never actually install the damn thing. > whereas the pros can skim the beginning and only start reading > seriously at the point where the information density seems high > enough. Yes, make them wade through too much boring stuff and they won't bother reading what we wish they would read either :-) I like Nik's new outline. It fits my perspective a lot better than the old. It will still need clear travel guides for different kinds of users, whoever we decide they are. Here's some brainstorming in case any is helpful... nothing concrete, sorry, just a perspective for now. I'd like to be able to pick up the handbook and instantly find what an inexperienced new user needs without much searching, and get that only to the level required for now (with links to more info of course) and in a sequence that resembles the order in which it can be used. The stuff that leads to "Look Ma, I'm _using_ FreeBSD" is critical. Things like: 1 How to get FreeBSD (options, pros and cons) 2 Very basic installation instructions, but including puzzles like - how to name and number the machine - lots on how to do an FTP installation (easier to do than it seems) - whether/how to install what packages at that time* - how to recognise when the installation has finished and if it worked - links all along to more installation info in case of trouble 3 Getting around from the shell prompt (WTF is a shell?); shutdown 4 Using ee for now, and mention better options for later 5 Anything that must be done or checked right after installing (using 3&4) 6 Installing the GUI window thing (oh, it's called X? it's not freebsd?) 7 Using X (how to get out, resolution, how the mouse works for copying, etc) 8 Connecting to my ISP (bugger the jargon, that's what I want to do) 9 Installing more packages (use packages or ports? why? how?) 10 Misc orientation stuff: - Things happen by themselves, like find at 2am, atrun; it's OK. - Locate doesn't work until Saturday; what do those root messages mean? - Getting more ttys and mounting (extended) DOS partitions They're all first day need to know topics for, e.g., Microsoft refugees working alone from home on their first FreeBSD system, and most of it's already in there somewhere. It can be too hard to find these topics from the contents unless you know what their section would be classified under. For example, I wouldn't have expected to find the windowing GUI thing under "Applications". Better organisation will help a lot but an additional read-these-first list might still be necessary. As you point out, it's important to tell people not only where to start, but also where to stop. One way of doing this is to use a very brief overview of a topic in point form, marking the essential newbie information for first time reading. Another is to present a guide to first use of the handbook, and yet another is to mark the actual pages. (Do people still hand out those bibles with lots of passages underlined for lazy converts with short attention spans? That's the approach.) If you don't tell newbies what to read, you take pot luck; if you don't tell them what *not* to read, they'll try to read it all then give up completely. We never hear from these people, but others do. It's starting to sound like I'm looking for a separate clueless newbies document, but no, I'd see that as counterproductive. It should all be mentioned in the one spot, with pointers to lots of tutorials for even more in depth easy treatment, but without assuming the reader has enough experience to choose what to read when. Most people are really new at some of this and want more advanced info on some other aspects, so it's convenient to have it all together; everyone starts with the handbook. And the handbook must be readily available in a recognisably Microsoft-friendly format if they are to read it before installing, and it would be nice if there was some easy way to identify and print just the first-needed sections from Microsoft, because that's what people will be trying to do with it. (Think about it: col -b is absurd) You can keep the stuff about allowing people to dial in, networking, firewalls, quotas, window manager choices and config, and other hacker stuff for later reading, but please do include everyone's skills under the "contributing to FreeBSD" heading, however humble they seem. Good habits start early. It might be useful to take a similar look from several other perspectives, and see how many of them can be accommodated in the one document because of the improved structure. The picture I've painted here must look awful to people who basically know what they're doing. Yes, I will be prepared to put my pen where my mouth is if there are holes to fill. For now I'm just throwing ideas around for criticism. * In a few weeks I'll be trying to get around this by bundling a small starter set of packages together that will suit those without a clue, together with some config files and doccos similarly aimed. I'm still trying to get a clue myself though :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 1 12:44:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03876 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:44:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03871 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:44:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from antwerp@time.cdrom.com) Received: (from antwerp@localhost) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20293; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:44:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from antwerp) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:44:43 -0800 (PST) From: Kim Message-Id: <199811012044.MAA20293@time.cdrom.com> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Greetings, docs team! Cc: antwerp@time.cdrom.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, docs project folks. This is kim manton (antwerp@time.cdrom.com), secret invisible docs project lurker/groupie since 386BSD->present. I've been secret and invisible due to the fact that I haven't had the time to work directly on the project (rent and all that) until recently. I've been a lurker/groupie due to the fact that I've quite literally been living with the project (in the form of one Jordan Hubbard + the ever-expanding herd of machines/cats) since it began (and before, if such a time ever existed). I have also been a contracting technical writer for the last 15+ years, specializing in UNIX (BSD, *of course* :-)), X Window System, Networking/Telecoms, Server/Client apps, UNIX Sysadmin, and sundry other UNIX-ish topics. You can see my resume on my webpage on time (http://time.cdrom.com/~antwerp) (NOTE: both the webpage and the rez are going through massive update, so access may come and go until both are stabilized -- keep trying). I've taken a break from contracting to (a) regain my sanity and (b) do some work on the FreeBSD docs project. I've been working on a new (separate) Installation and Configuration Guide(s), and a docplan/outline for a complete standard UNIX format docset. I hadn't seen much happening on the docs project until very recently -- other than the massive and heroic effort to convert the handbook to the O'Reilly docbook DTD (!yow!) -- so I've just been off in a corner doing my own thing. Now it looks like some major organized effort is shaping up to redo the docs, so I thought I'd let you know I'm around and available to do some work. I also have some ideas about how to recruit new writers and maybe even possibly get some actual real ($$) resources for the docs project. I'll send that out in a separate message. Also, I am interested in helping out with the marketing pubs end of the spectrum (press releases, glossies, datasheets, whitepapers, advertising, etc.). If anyone else out there would like to work on that (or already is!), you can email me at antwerp@time.cdrom.com. [A draft of the install guide will be posted around the end of next week on my webpage. This project is separate from the handbook, but if you want to incorporate it, go for it.] Best regards, -kim manton antwerp@time.cdrom.com antwerp@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 1 18:20:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15792 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 18:20:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15735 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 18:20:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id SAA29638; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 18:20:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15686; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 18:18:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <199811020218.SAA15686@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 18:18:58 -0800 (PST) From: rv@fore.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/8535: insufficient support documentation for kld Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 8535 >Category: docs >Synopsis: insufficient support documentation for kld >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: high >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Nov 1 18:20:00 PST 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Rajesh Vaidheeswarran >Organization: >Release: 3.0-RELEASE >Environment: FreeBSD freebsd.eng.fore.com 3.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE #0: Sun Nov 1 15:27:24 EST 1998 bash@freebsd.eng.fore.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/FB30 i386 >Description: The release notes state that kld is the preferred method of loading modules into the kernel, replacing "lkm and bogosity that went with it" Unfortunately, lkms came with extensive documentation and examples that I cannot locate for kld. So, the question is: Where is the kld documentation? Or.. Should one continue to write for lkm in the absence of such documentation? Thanks >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 1 20:50:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA03327 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 20:50:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA03291 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 20:49:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id UAA08088; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 20:50:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA02970; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 20:46:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <199811020446.UAA02970@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 20:46:36 -0800 (PST) From: anton@rime.com.ua To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/8538: Unable to install FreeBSD from MS-DOS filesystem Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 8538 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Unable to install FreeBSD from MS-DOS filesystem >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Nov 1 20:50:00 PST 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Anton Krasovsky >Organization: Trans-M-radio >Release: 3.0-RELEASE >Environment: Don't have it for now >Description: When installing from MS-DOS volume wich have 3.0-RELEASE distribution in directory \FREEBSD (as shown in install help for Selecting Media Type) install says that it is unable to retrive following distributions "bin man ..." e.g. selected ones, unless I set name of directory where FreBSDis located as a release name in Options menu. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 2 01:10:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA07565 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:10:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07498 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:09:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id BAA04260; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:10:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA06513 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:01:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkb@shell6.ba.best.com) Received: (from jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) id BAA02748; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:00:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199811020900.BAA02748@shell6.ba.best.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:00:38 -0800 (PST) From: jkb@best.com Reply-To: jkb@best.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/8542: ipf.1 -> ipf.8 ? Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 8542 >Category: docs >Synopsis: ipf man page should be moved from section 1 to section 8 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Nov 2 01:10:00 PST 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jan B. Koum >Organization: >Release: FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386 >Environment: FreeBSD 3.0 >Description: man page for ipf should be moved from section 1 to section 8 for the following reasons: 1. This is a an "admin" utility 2. ipfw is a section 8 3. Most of ipf-like man pages (ipfstat, ipftest, etc) point to ipf(8) >How-To-Repeat: man 8 ipf ; man 1 ipf >Fix: mv /usr/share/man/man1/ipf.1.gz /usr/share/man/man8/ipf.8.gz It also seem that /usr/src/contrib/ipfilter/man/man.8 is more up-to-date then /usr/src/contrib/ipfilter/man/man.1 I guess /usr/src/sbin/ipf/Makefile also needs to be changed? Or is there a reason for ipf.8 not to be installed? --- Makefile.old Mon Nov 2 01:53:35 1998 +++ Makefile Mon Nov 2 02:01:16 1998 @@ -3,9 +3,9 @@ .PATH: ${.CURDIR}/../../contrib/ipfilter ${.CURDIR}/../../contrib/ipfilter/man PROG= ipf -MAN1= ipf.1 MAN4= ipf.4 MAN5= ipf.5 +MAN8= ipf.8 SRCS= ipf.c parse.c opt.c CFLAGS+=-DIPL_NAME=\"/dev/ipl\" -I- -I${.CURDIR}/../../sys/netinet -I${.CURDIR}/../../contrib/ipfilter >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 2 01:10:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA07574 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:10:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07502 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:10:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id BAA04269; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:10:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07156 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:06:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkb@shell6.ba.best.com) Received: (from jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) id BAA03519; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:05:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199811020905.BAA03519@shell6.ba.best.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:05:54 -0800 (PST) From: jkb@best.com Reply-To: jkb@best.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/8543: ipfstat(8) typo Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 8543 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Man page uses /vmunix instead of /kernel >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Nov 2 01:10:01 PST 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jan B. Koum >Organization: >Release: FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE >Environment: FreeBSD 3.0 >Description: The "FILES" section of ipfstat(8) man page refers to "/vmunix": FILES /dev/kmem /dev/ipl /dev/ipstate /vmunix Also in "DESCRIPTION": The kernel name defaults to /vmunix >How-To-Repeat: man ipfstat >Fix: coredump# diff -u ipfstat.8.old ipfstat.8 --- ipfstat.8.old Sat Jun 20 18:29:07 1998 +++ ipfstat.8 Mon Nov 2 02:07:57 1998 @@ -14,7 +14,7 @@ \fBipfstat\fP examines /dev/kmem using the symbols \fB_fr_flags\fP, \fB_frstats\fP, \fB_filterin\fP, and \fB_filterout\fP. To run and work, it needs to be able to read both /dev/kmem and the -kernel itself. The kernel name defaults to \fB/vmunix\fP. +kernel itself. The kernel name defaults to \fB/kernel\fP. .PP The default behaviour of \fBipfstat\fP is to retrieve and display the accumulated statistics which have been @@ -73,7 +73,7 @@ .br /dev/ipstate .br -/vmunix +/kernel .SH SEE ALSO ipf(8) .SH BUGS >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 2 02:35:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA17169 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 02:35:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA17068; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 02:34:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@FreeBSD.org) From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id CAA07888; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 02:34:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 02:34:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199811021034.CAA07888@freefall.freebsd.org> To: anton@rime.com.ua, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/8538 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Unable to install FreeBSD from MS-DOS filesystem State-Changed-From-To: open-closed State-Changed-By: jkh State-Changed-When: Mon Nov 2 02:34:22 PST 1998 State-Changed-Why: As stated in the 3.0 release ERRATA, the directory name has changed. Call it C:\3.0-RELEASE instead of C:\FREEBSD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 2 05:19:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09116 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 05:19:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09108 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 05:19:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id OAA02926; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 14:19:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04454; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:10:29 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from wosch) Message-ID: <19981102091028.C4407@panke.de.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:10:28 +0100 From: Wolfram Schneider To: Marty Cawthon , Wolfram Schneider Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New prototype for the FreeBSD homepage References: <19981028151508.A8115@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Marty Cawthon on Fri, Oct 30, 1998 at 03:33:15AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1998-10-30 03:33:15 +0000, Marty Cawthon wrote: > Guten Tag, Herr Schneider > > COMMENT > I like the looks of this new page. > The layout is easy to follow and find things. > > IDEA FOR CONSIDERATION > Perhaps it is worth testing the new pages using > "http://validator.w3.org" Good idea! I did not test if the new layout confirm to the standard(s). I just checked if it looks good with the common browsers (Netscape 1,2,3,4; lynx, Internet Explorer) and in small or large (1000x800) window size. If you (or someone else) find a HTML bug in the homepage please send the correction to doc@freebsd.org Wolfram > > I was particularly impressed with the idea of "automatically generating > an outline" using the HTML headings. As people rely more on search > engines to find things, having a search engine 'understand' the logical > layout of your web page will become more important for returning > and presenting meaningful "hits" to the searcher. > The validator site has an "automatic outline" creation option to test > the "logical layout" of your web page. > > A reason to validate to the w3 specifications is to support the concept > of Internet Standards that are independent of control by vendors > (specifically Microsoft and Netscape). It seems that Open HTML standards > might be agreeable to many in the FreeBSD community, and one that the > FreeBSD web page might want to explicitly support, perhaps by displaying > the "Validated HTML 4" icon. > > I LIKE THIS IDEA > I am working on redesigning our own web pages to be HTML4 valid. > The new HTML 4 specifications are forcing me to learn style sheets, and > to separate the logical (HTML) markup from the display (style sheet) > markup. > It is extra work, but for my company's pages I have believe it is the > right direction to go. Perhaps also good for FreeBSD... > > This idea is offered for thought. > The new page layout is very handsome, and reflects much thought and work. > > Marty Cawthon > ChipChat > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 2 07:53:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA28772 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 07:53:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from carp.gbr.epa.gov (carp.gbr.epa.gov [204.46.159.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA28751; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 07:53:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjenkins@carp.gbr.epa.gov) Received: (from mjenkins@localhost) by carp.gbr.epa.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19976; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:52:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mjenkins) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:52:46 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Jenkins Message-Id: <199811021552.JAA19976@carp.gbr.epa.gov> To: willow@tds.edu Subject: Re: tcpdump Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 13:27:37 -0500 (EST) > From: Willow > > when trying to run tcmpdump as root I get the following: > > tcpdump: /dev/bpf0: Device not configured > > Any ideas why? As everyone said, add the "bpfilter" line to a config file, rebuild the new kernel with this new config file, install the new kernel as /kernel (make install), and, lastly, reboot your system to start the new kernel! See "Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel" in the Handbook for more info. (Ahhh, a new FreeBSD homepage, nice.) This is a FAQ but I don't see it in the FreeBSD FAQ. Can someone add it? Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 2 09:17:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09459 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:17:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09441 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:17:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from w@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id SAA04621; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:17:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from w@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from w@localhost) by campa.panke.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA06021; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:21:55 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from w) Message-ID: <19981102132154.A5993@panke.de.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:21:54 +0100 From: Wolfram Schneider To: Kim , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Greetings, docs team! References: <199811012044.MAA20293@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <199811012044.MAA20293@time.cdrom.com>; from Kim on Sun, Nov 01, 1998 at 12:44:43PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1998-11-01 12:44:43 -0800, Kim wrote: > I also have some ideas about how to recruit new writers and maybe even > possibly get some actual real ($$) resources for the docs > project. I'll send that out in a separate message. Also, I am > interested in helping out with the marketing pubs end of the spectrum > (press releases, glossies, datasheets, whitepapers, advertising, > etc.). If anyone else out there would like to work on that (or already > is!), you can email me at antwerp@time.cdrom.com. I think the missing PR department is currently our biggest problem. Wolfram -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.freebsd.org/~w/ FreeBSD Webmaster To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 2 09:35:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11408 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:35:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from microdin.ru (jumbo.microdin.ru [195.128.73.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11401 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:35:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sch@microdin.ru) Received: from formoza (dial-up91.microdin.ru [195.128.72.91]) by microdin.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA12894 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:35:24 +0300 (????) Message-Id: <199811021735.UAA12894@microdin.ru> From: "Alexey Shishkin" To: Subject: trouble with Handbook Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:31:51 +0300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sirs! I've downloaded your Handbook in HTML format several times, but couldn't extract a single file form it, because my archiver wasn't able to read it. Each time I tried to extract files from archive it gave an error message: 'Error reading header after processing 0 entries'. My archiver, WinZip 6.2, so far has been working well for about a year. What may be the likely reason of the problem? Could you, please, suggest something? I'd appreciate any kind of help. regards Alexey Shishkin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 2 10:44:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17020 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 10:44:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16978 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 10:43:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from diabolique.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.58.142]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA2BE9; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:43:49 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199811021735.UAA12894@microdin.ru> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 19:47:51 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Alexey Shishkin Subject: RE: trouble with Handbook Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 02-Nov-98 Alexey Shishkin wrote: > My archiver, WinZip 6.2, so far has been working well for about a year. see http://www.winzip.com version 7.0 is out and most likely supports better tar.gz handling. On a sidenote, tar.gz files might get downloaded wrongly by Netscape under Windows. Just a hint... --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl Junior Network/Security Specialist FreeBSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 2 12:00:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25424 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:00:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25358 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:00:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id MAA05741; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:00:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:00:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199811022000.MAA05741@freefall.freebsd.org> To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG From: grady@xcf.berkeley.edu (Steven Grady) Subject: Re: docs/8010: handbook's mailing list list is outdated Reply-To: grady@xcf.berkeley.edu (Steven Grady) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/8010; it has been noted by GNATS. From: grady@xcf.berkeley.edu (Steven Grady) To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/8010: handbook's mailing list list is outdated Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 11:52:40 -0800 I also noticed that the multimedia list is not listed. Steven "Step aside, sensitive love letters are my specialty: `Dear Baby, Welcome to Dumpsville -- Population: you.'" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 2 12:07:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26699 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:07:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ocean.campus.luth.se (ocean.campus.luth.se [130.240.194.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26681 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:07:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se) Received: (from karpen@localhost) by ocean.campus.luth.se (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA24949; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:01:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from karpen) From: Mikael Karpberg Message-Id: <199811022001.VAA24949@ocean.campus.luth.se> Subject: Re: trouble with Handbook In-Reply-To: from Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai at "Nov 2, 98 07:47:51 pm" To: asmodai@wxs.nl (Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:01:59 +0100 (CET) Cc: sch@microdin.ru, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai: > On 02-Nov-98 Alexey Shishkin wrote: > > My archiver, WinZip 6.2, so far has been working well for about a year. > > see http://www.winzip.com > > version 7.0 is out and most likely supports better tar.gz handling. I have had NO problems with tar or gz files in winzip... it has worked flawlessly for AGES. (Except for the fact that due to the format it uses a temp directory and actually untars the whole thing to be able to view the file, but that's another matter) > On a sidenote, tar.gz files might get downloaded wrongly by Netscape under > Windows. I think this is much more likely to be the cause. Try and use some other FTP program and get the file. And see to that you use "binary" transfer. /Mikael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 2 12:27:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29333 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:27:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from carp.gbr.epa.gov (carp.gbr.epa.gov [204.46.159.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29323 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:27:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjenkins@carp.gbr.epa.gov) Received: (from mjenkins@localhost) by carp.gbr.epa.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20478 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 14:27:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mjenkins) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 14:27:14 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Jenkins Message-Id: <199811022027.OAA20478@carp.gbr.epa.gov> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: new homepage comment Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I like the new homepage but I have a suggestion. Let the sidebar come all the way to the top, move the FreeBSD image to the right, and move the select server into the sidebar. See www.perl.com and www.oreilly.com for examples. Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 2 12:30:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29823 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:30:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29610; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:28:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id VAA06154; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:28:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA06401; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:57:35 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from wosch) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:57:35 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199811021257.NAA06401@campa.panke.de.freebsd.org> From: Wolfram Schneider To: jfieber@FreeBSD.ORG cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: search result presentation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If I search in the web pages (web, handbook, FAQ) I get a list of filenames, e..g: The archive www contains the following items relevant to `plip': 1. http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ39.html Score: 422; Lines: 79; -11-1998; Archive: www 2. http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ37.html Score: 394; Lines: 54; -11-1998; Archive: www 3. http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ38.html Score: 358; Lines: 133; -11-1998; Archive: www [...] The filename is not very informative. Is it possible to print the title of the documents too?, e.g. 1. Can I install on my laptop over PLIP (Parallel Line IP)? http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ39.html Score: 422; Lines: 79; -11-1998; Archive: www 2. Help! I can't install from tape! http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ37.html Score: 394; Lines: 54; -11-1998; Archive: www 3. Connect 2 FreeBSD boxes over a parallel line (PLIP) http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ38.html Score: 358; Lines: 133; -11-1998; Archive: www [...] Wolfram To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 2 15:25:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24524 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:25:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24516 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:25:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21370; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 23:20:10 GMT (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19981102232010.63991@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 23:20:10 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: DocBook markup guide for the Handbook Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, There's the beginnings of a DocBook markup guide for the Handbook at Some entities haven't been fixedup (“ == ``, ” = '', … = ...) but that's the majority of things that are marked up in the Handbook. Comments appreciated. This is a first draft. N -- C.R.F. Consulting -- we're run to make me richer. . . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 2 16:08:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02195 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:08:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02105 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:08:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kelly@plutotech.com) Received: from plutotech.com (tampopo.plutotech.com [206.168.67.161]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA09465; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:08:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <363E4964.24A5FEDA@plutotech.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 17:08:04 -0700 From: Sean Kelly Organization: Pluto Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton CC: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DocBook markup guide for the Handbook References: <19981102232010.63991@nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In the guide at , you wrote: Each chapter.sgml file will not be a complete SGML document. In particular, they will not have their own DOCTYPE line at the start of the file. This is unfortunate for two reasons; Yes, it is indeed unfortunate, but not necessary either, is it? Why can't each chapter be a complete SGML document with a DOCTYPE declaration that's later entity-included into the book? I could've sworn that works. --Sean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 2 16:30:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06364 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:30:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06311 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:30:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id QAA18980; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:30:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from rosemary-gw.fsl.noaa.gov (rosemary-gw.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.253.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06150 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:29:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kelly@rosemary-gw.fsl.noaa.gov) Received: (from kelly@localhost) by rosemary-gw.fsl.noaa.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10062; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:28:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kelly) Message-Id: <199811030028.RAA10062@rosemary-gw.fsl.noaa.gov> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:28:50 -0700 (MST) From: Sean Kelly Reply-To: kelly@rosemary-gw.fsl.noaa.gov To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/8547: Various updates to authors.sgml, printing.sgml Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 8547 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Various updates to authors.sgml, printing.sgml >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Nov 2 16:30:01 PST 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Sean Kelly >Organization: Pluto Technologies >Release: FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386 >Environment: Not relevant. >Description: Here are some diffs to the printing chapter based on suggestions gathered up over the months. The diffs to /doc/handbook/printing.sgml contains changes to the form-feed eject sequence for HP/PCL-based printers, plus a better filter script for Ghostscript scan conversion for non-PostScript printers. It also updates the acknowledgements to credit those who've suggested the changes. The diffs to /doc/handbook/authors.sgml just changes my email address from "kelly@fsl.noaa.gov" to "kelly@plutotech.com". Please review and commit. >How-To-Repeat: Not relevant. >Fix: Here: --- printing.sgml.orig Thu Oct 15 11:21:44 1998 +++ printing.sgml Thu Oct 15 11:23:05 1998 @@ -5,8 +5,6 @@ The FreeBSD Documentation Project - -
Printing with FreeBSD <author> Sean Kelly <tt/kelly@fsl.noaa.gov/ @@ -1228,10 +1226,9 @@ # Installed in /usr/local/libexec/hpif # # Simply copies stdin to stdout. Ignores all filter arguments. -# Tells printer to treat LF as CR+LF. Writes a form feed character -# after printing job. +# Tells printer to treat LF as CR+LF. Ejects the page when done. -printf "\033&k2G" && cat && printf "\f" && exit 0 +printf "\033&k2G" && cat && printf "\033&l0H" && exit 0 exit 2 </code> @@ -2317,17 +2314,26 @@ if [ "$first_two_chars" = "%!" ]; then # - # It is PostScript; use Ghostscript to scan-convert and print it + # It is PostScript; use Ghostscript to scan-convert and print it. + # + # Note that PostScript files are actually interpreted programs, + # and those programs are allowed to write to stdout, which will + # mess up the printed output. So, we redirect stdout to stderr + # and then make descriptor 3 go to stdout, and have Ghostscript + # write its output there. Exercise for the clever reader: + # capture the stderr output from Ghostscript and mail it back to + # the user originating the print job. # - /usr/local/bin/gs -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -q -sDEVICE=djet500 -sOutputFile=- - \ - && exit 0 + exec 3>&1 1>&2 + /usr/local/bin/gs -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -q -sDEVICE=djet500 \ + -sOutputFile=/dev/fd/3 - && exit 0 else # # Plain text or HP/PCL, so just print it directly; print a form # at the end to eject the last page. # - echo $first_line && cat && printf "\f" && exit 0 + echo $first_line && cat && printf "\033&l0H" && exit 0 fi exit 2 @@ -2340,7 +2346,6 @@ That is it. You can type <tt/lpr plain.text/ and <tt/lpr whatever.ps/ and both should print successfully. - <sect2><heading>Conversion Filters<label id="printing:advanced:convfilters"></heading> @@ -2559,7 +2564,7 @@ # Installed in /usr/local/libexec/hprf # -printf "\033&k2G" && fpr && printf "\f" && exit 0 +printf "\033&k2G" && fpr && printf "\033&l0H" && exit 0 exit 2 </code> And we will add this line to the <tt>/etc/printcap</tt> @@ -4051,6 +4056,19 @@ <tag/&a.jehamby;/ For the Ghostscript-to-HP filter. + + <tag/&a.jfieber;/ + + For debugging why printing from Windows 95 to a FreeBSD + system simulating a PostScript printer with Ghostscript + didn't produce correct output, and suggesting a fix, which + is included herein. + + <tag/Stephen Montgomery-Smith <tt/<stephen@math.missouri.edu>// + + For suggesting using "\033&l0H" instead of "\f" to + eject the last page on HP printers; the latter could eject + an extra blank page while the former never does. <tag/My wife, Mary Kelly <tt/<urquhart@argyre.colorado.edu>// --- authors.sgml.orig Thu Oct 15 11:21:53 1998 +++ authors.sgml Thu Oct 15 11:21:56 1998 @@ -335,8 +335,8 @@ name='<kato@FreeBSD.ORG>'></tt>"> <!ENTITY a.kelly "Sean Kelly - <tt><htmlurl url='mailto:kelly@fsl.noaa.gov' - name='<kelly@fsl.noaa.gov>'></tt>"> + <tt><htmlurl url='mailto:kelly@plutotech.com' + name='<kelly@plutotech.com>'></tt>"> <!ENTITY a.ken "Kenneth D. Merry <tt><htmlurl url='mailto:ken@FreeBSD.ORG' --------------2D9E99B1B1C1D05FAEB2907D-- >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 2 17:04:28 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10482 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:04:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10474 for <doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:04:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (aeiusrF-42.aei.ca [206.186.205.42]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA20259; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:03:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <363E562B.BA287FEA@aei.ca> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 20:02:36 -0500 From: Malartre <malartre@aei.ca> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wolfram Schneider <wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org> CC: Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au>, Peter da Silva <peter@taronga.com>, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New prototype for the FreeBSD homepage References: <19981028151508.A8115@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <19981028232318.35249@nothing-going-on.org> <19981029132834.A17530@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de>,<19981029132834.A17530@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <19981101061204.63924@welearn.com.au> <199810312135.PAA17201@bonkers.taronga.com> <19981101084334.31126@welearn.com.au> <363BFA57.E061C36@aei.ca> <363BFCB9.6B2C278C@aei.ca> <19981101084848.A846@panke.de.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wolfram Schneider wrote: > From my memory, FreeBSD screenshots are available at http://www.cdrom.com > > Wolfram Yes, but the new_user/linux_user/whatever_user will go on FreeBSD.org first. He will probably want to know what's unix -visually-. He won't go on cdrom.com to check a screenshot. I'm sure a good screenshot should be used to advocate it, on the top of the page. -- [Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 3 01:16:49 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA13385 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 01:16:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall1.lehman.com (firewall1.Lehman.COM [192.147.65.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA13376 for <doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 01:16:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nclayton@lehman.com) From: nclayton@lehman.com Received: from relay.lehman.com by firewall1.lehman.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA02125; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 04:16:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from cmgrelay1.messaging-svcs.lehman.com by relay.lehman.com (4.1/LB-0.6) id AA15000; Tue, 3 Nov 98 04:16:03 EST Received: from lonmailhost.lehman.com by cmgrelay1.messaging-svcs.lehman.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA10943; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 04:16:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from lonadminvnm.lehman.com by lonmailhost.lehman.com (SMI-8.6/Lehman Bros. V1.5) id JAA05426; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:15:58 GMT Received: from lonadmin80.lehman.com by lonadminvnm.lehman.com (4.1/Lehman Bros. V1.6) id AA10435; Tue, 3 Nov 98 09:15:57 GMT Received: by lonadmin80.lehman.com (SMI-8.6/Lehman Bros. V1.5) id JAA22136; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:15:57 GMT Message-Id: <19981103091556.O20122@lehman.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:15:56 +0000 To: Sean Kelly <kelly@plutotech.com>, Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk> Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DocBook markup guide for the Handbook References: <19981102232010.63991@nothing-going-on.org> <363E4964.24A5FEDA@plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <363E4964.24A5FEDA@plutotech.com>; from Sean Kelly on Mon, Nov 02, 1998 at 05:08:04PM -0700 Organization: Lehman Brothers Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Nov 02, 1998 at 05:08:04PM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote: > In the guide at <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/hb/markup-guide.html>, > you wrote: > > Each chapter.sgml file will not be a complete SGML > document. In particular, they will not have their > own DOCTYPE line at the start of the file. > > This is unfortunate for two reasons; > > Yes, it is indeed unfortunate, but not necessary either, is it? Why > can't each chapter be a complete SGML document with a DOCTYPE > declaration that's later entity-included into the book? I could've > sworn that works. It doesn't work. % cat test.sgml <!DOCTYPE sect1 PUBLIC "-//Davenport//DTD DocBook V3.0//EN" [ <!ENTITY p SYSTEM "para.sgml"> ]> <sect1> <title>A small section &p; % cat para.sgml A DocBook paragraph. % nsgmls -s test.sgml nsgmls:para.sgml:1:2:E: "DOCTYPE" declaration not allowed in instance % echo "A Docbook paragraph." > para.sgml % nsgmls -s test.sgml % Hence the work around of Emacs local variables and a driver file. N -- --+==[ Systems Administrator, Year 2000 Test Lab, Lehman Brothers, Inc. ]==+-- --+==[ 1 Broadgate, London, EC2M 7HA 0171-601-0011 x6492 ]==+-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 3 02:07:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18636 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 02:07:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall1.lehman.com (firewall1.Lehman.COM [192.147.65.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18630 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 02:07:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nclayton@lehman.com) From: nclayton@lehman.com Received: from relay.lehman.com by firewall1.lehman.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA15617; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 05:07:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from cmgrelay1.messaging-svcs.lehman.com by relay.lehman.com (4.1/LB-0.6) id AA18457; Tue, 3 Nov 98 05:07:02 EST Received: from lonmailhost.lehman.com by cmgrelay1.messaging-svcs.lehman.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA18615; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 05:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from lonadminvnm.lehman.com by lonmailhost.lehman.com (SMI-8.6/Lehman Bros. V1.5) id KAA09222; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 10:06:57 GMT Received: from lonadmin80.lehman.com by lonadminvnm.lehman.com (4.1/Lehman Bros. V1.6) id AA17597; Tue, 3 Nov 98 10:06:57 GMT Received: by lonadmin80.lehman.com (SMI-8.6/Lehman Bros. V1.5) id KAA22183; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 10:06:56 GMT Message-Id: <19981103100655.Q20122@lehman.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 10:06:55 +0000 To: Kim , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Greetings, docs team! References: <199811012044.MAA20293@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199811012044.MAA20293@time.cdrom.com>; from Kim on Sun, Nov 01, 1998 at 12:44:43PM -0800 Organization: Lehman Brothers Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Kim, On Sun, Nov 01, 1998 at 12:44:43PM -0800, Kim wrote: > I've taken a break from contracting to (a) regain my sanity and > (b) do some work on the FreeBSD docs project. I've been working > on a new (separate) Installation and Configuration Guide(s), and > a docplan/outline for a complete standard UNIX format docset. Have you seen the (v. recent) discussion I kicked off about this? > I hadn't seen much happening on the docs project until very > recently -- other than the massive and heroic effort to convert the > handbook to the O'Reilly docbook DTD (!yow!) -- Thanks. It's been keeping me busy :-) > so I've just been off in a corner doing my own thing. Now it looks > like some major organized effort is shaping up to redo the docs, > so I thought I'd let you know I'm around and available to do some work. OK. If the next round of discussion about my proposed changes is positive I'm going to 1. Finish getting the DocBook Handbook to the point where it can replace the LinuxDoc one. 2. Implement the framework for the new documentation set -- I think we've probably gone beyond the realms of a Handbook now. The framework will use a lot of the content from the existing Handbook. Equally, there will be a lot of sparse areas, and sections which will need some rewriting. I think that's the majority of the work that will need doing. In the mean time, any comments you have about my proposed changes would be very welcome. > I also have some ideas about how to recruit new writers and maybe even > possibly get some actual real ($$) resources for the docs > project. Sounds good. > I'll send that out in a separate message. Also, I am > interested in helping out with the marketing pubs end of the spectrum > (press releases, glossies, datasheets, whitepapers, advertising, > etc.). If anyone else out there would like to work on that (or already > is!), you can email me at antwerp@time.cdrom.com. Also sounds good. There's effort happening on the advocacy mailing list (advocacy@freebsd.org) right now about press releases and the like. I can't speak for them, but it might be worth getting in touch with the folks behind freebsdmall.com as well. > [A draft of the install guide will be posted around the end of next week > on my webpage. This project is separate from the handbook, but if > you want to incorporate it, go for it.] There's at least one other guide floating around, Randy Pratt's at Have you seen it? Perhaps the two of you could collaborate? N -- --+==[ Systems Administrator, Year 2000 Test Lab, Lehman Brothers, Inc. ]==+-- --+==[ 1 Broadgate, London, EC2M 7HA 0171-601-0011 x6492 ]==+-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 3 03:45:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA25503 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 03:45:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA25498; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 03:45:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id MAA13566; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:45:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09463; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:12:23 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from wosch) Message-ID: <19981103121222.A9454@panke.de.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:12:22 +0100 From: Wolfram Schneider To: Bill Fenner Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [shiva@yagosys.com: Missing CVS link ?] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Forwarded message from Shiva Shenoy ----- Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 13:56:28 -0800 From: Shiva Shenoy Reply-To: shiva@yagosys.com Organization: Yago Systems X-Accept-Language: en To: wosch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Missing CVS link ? Hi, On the page http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#cvs --------------------------------------- Every change (with accompanying log message explaining its purpose) from FreeBSD 2.0 to the present is stored here, and can be easily viewed from here (click on the link). There does not seem to be a link to view the CVS history. It would be very helpful if there was a web front end to view the CVS logs. Regards -shiva shiva@yagosys.com ----- End forwarded message ----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 3 07:43:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23283 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 07:43:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt053n18.san.rr.com (dt053n18.san.rr.com [204.210.34.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23275; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 07:43:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt053n18.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04928; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 07:42:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@gorean.org) Message-ID: <363F2470.1B1B1B7F@gorean.org> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 07:42:40 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE-1101 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wolfram Schneider CC: Bill Fenner , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, shiva@yagosys.com Subject: Re: [shiva@yagosys.com: Missing CVS link ?] References: <19981103121222.A9454@panke.de.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > It would be very helpful if there was a web front end to view the > CVS logs. It would be very helpful if you clicked on the link "CVS Repository" :) -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 3 09:55:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA12997 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:55:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12991 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:55:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kelly@plutotech.com) Received: from plutotech.com (tampopo.plutotech.com [206.168.67.161]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19721; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 10:55:24 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <363F438B.E4876C0D@plutotech.com> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 10:55:23 -0700 From: Sean Kelly Organization: Pluto Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kim CC: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Greetings, docs team! References: <199811012044.MAA20293@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kim wrote: > Hello, docs project folks. Hi, Kim. > This is kim manton (antwerp@time.cdrom.com), secret invisible docs > project lurker/groupie since 386BSD->present. Rather describes my role after writing the Printing chapter of the handbook. :-) Anyway, welcome aboard! I look forward to seeing new materials for FreeBSD! Take care. --Sean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 3 11:36:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27242 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:36:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27234 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:36:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from RJohns7047@aol.com) From: RJohns7047@aol.com Received: from RJohns7047@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id HNMCa04682 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:36:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <62e10d11.363f5b20@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:36:00 EST To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: (no subject) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 167 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 3 11:55:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA29710 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:55:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from CSDAlpha2.sbu.ac.uk (csdalpha2.sbu.ac.uk [136.148.1.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA29705 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:55:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sivathsa@sbu.ac.uk) From: sivathsa@sbu.ac.uk Received: from ice.sbu.ac.uk (ice.sbu.ac.uk [136.148.1.17]) by CSDAlpha2.sbu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16367 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 20:02:11 GMT Received: by ice.sbu.ac.uk (MX V5.0) id 25; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:54:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:54:59 +0000 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <009CEAEC.4D0876C0.25@ice.sbu.ac.uk> Subject: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook.html Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.7.2 X-Personal_name: siva X-From: uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 3 12:20:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03935 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:20:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03857 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:20:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id MAA03180; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:20:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.dragondata.com (home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03113 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:14:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toasty@home.dragondata.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by home.dragondata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id OAA26679; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:14:10 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199811032014.OAA26679@home.dragondata.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:14:10 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Day Reply-To: toasty@home.dragondata.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/8559: Update to open(2) man page to reflect ENXIO behavior with fifos Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 8559 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Update to open(2) man page to reflect ENXIO behavior with fifos >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Nov 3 12:20:01 PST 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Kevin Day >Organization: DragonData Internet Services >Release: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 >Environment: >Description: >How-To-Repeat: --- open.2.orig Tue Nov 3 13:40:29 1998 +++ open.2.new Tue Nov 3 13:41:51 1998 @@ -213,6 +213,10 @@ The named file is a character special or block special file, and the device associated with this special file does not exist. +.It Bq Er ENXIO +The named file is a fifo, no process has +this fifo open for reading, and the arguments specify it is +to be opened for writing. .It Bq Er EINTR The .Fn open Perhaps the description for ENXIO directly above this insertion describes this but it's not very clear. :) >Fix: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 3 12:41:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06676 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:41:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.nobreak.com (ns.nobreak.com [210.105.79.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06633 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:41:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobreak@nobreak.com) Received: from nobreak.com (nobreak.nobreak.com [210.105.79.103]) by ns.nobreak.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA21119 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 05:57:51 +0900 Message-ID: <363F6A62.25ACCBF@nobreak.com> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 05:41:06 +0900 From: Seung-young Kim Reply-To: nobreak@nobreak.com Organization: Nobreak Technologies, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: typing mistake at support.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think there is a mistake at the page support.html. --- French -- majordomo@freebsd.francenet.fr or WWWW. --- Is it correct 'WWWW.' ? If not. Please adjust correctly... >From beautiful Korea.... -- * R&D / Senior researcher: Seung-young Kim * Tel: +82-42-828-7887/8 , Fax: +82-42-828-7889 * Homepage: http://nobreak.nobreak.ne.kr __________________________________________________ Nobreak Technologies, Inc. http://www.nobreak.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 3 12:52:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08432 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:52:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from virginia.videobank.it ([193.70.32.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA08416 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:52:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bagman@videobank.it) Received: from default (unverified [193.70.32.38]) by virginia.videobank.it (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 03 Nov 1998 21:53:35 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01be07b7$b3ecc200$262046c1@default> From: "Peter Bagnato" To: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:52:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does FreeBSD support the FAT32 file system? Thanks, Peter Bagnato To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 3 14:52:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27274 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:52:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27261 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:52:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id XAA19280 for doc@freebsd.org; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:52:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA11186 for doc@freebsd.org; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:39:55 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from wosch) Message-ID: <19981103233953.A11182@panke.de.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:39:53 +0100 From: Wolfram Schneider To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [danielh@privat.toplink.de: FreeBSD WebPage] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Forwarded message from Daniel Haischt ----- Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 21:23:54 +0100 From: Daniel Haischt To: wosch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD WebPage Hello I'm working at a WebDesign studio which is developing huge web sites for companys like Porsche Microsoft Hewlett Packard etc. I'm running FreeBSD now for about a year (including a web-, pop-, irc-, and ftp server. I'm completly satisfied with the stability of FreeBSD and so I want to give something in return to the whole FreeBSd community. Regarding to your new web site's Look & Feel you may need some help for your site. Whenever you need some help, (maybe you want to realize some other web related projects in the near future), feel free to contact me. Best Regards Daniel Haischt ----- End forwarded message ----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 3 15:10:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00174 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:10:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from happy.smileys.net ([203.38.43.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00158 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:10:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leon@brooks.smileys.net) Received: from brooks.smileys.net (IDENT:leonb@modem-2-06.smileys.net [203.38.43.103]) by happy.smileys.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA15702 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 07:18:23 +0800 Message-ID: <363F8E2F.73998D04@brooks.smileys.net> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:13:51 +0000 From: Leon Brooks Organization: Would be nice X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: The FreeBSDaemon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Who draws this little critter? Is it possible to get one drawn of him playing ice-hockey? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 3 15:11:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00418 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:11:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ocean.campus.luth.se (ocean.campus.luth.se [130.240.194.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00404 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:11:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se) Received: (from karpen@localhost) by ocean.campus.luth.se (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA02655; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 00:05:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from karpen) From: Mikael Karpberg Message-Id: <199811032305.AAA02655@ocean.campus.luth.se> Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <000a01be07b7$b3ecc200$262046c1@default> from Peter Bagnato at "Nov 2, 98 07:52:54 pm" To: bagman@videobank.it (Peter Bagnato) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 00:05:56 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Peter Bagnato: > Does FreeBSD support the FAT32 file system? This question should have been sent to questions@FreeBSD.ORG, as this is a mailinglist for discussing documentation issues. To answer your question (which is probably in the FAQ. Read that first next time): Yes, FreeBSD supports FAT32, FAT, and VFAT. /Mikael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 3 16:20:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12186 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:20:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12173 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:20:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (aeiusrF-16.aei.ca [206.186.205.16]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA19676; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:19:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <363F9D6B.867EE62F@aei.ca> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 19:18:51 -0500 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mikael Karpberg CC: Peter Bagnato , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail References: <199811032305.AAA02655@ocean.campus.luth.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mikael Karpberg wrote: > > According to Peter Bagnato: > > Does FreeBSD support the FAT32 file system? > > This question should have been sent to questions@FreeBSD.ORG, as this is > a mailinglist for discussing documentation issues. > > To answer your question (which is probably in the FAQ. Read that first > next time): Yes, FreeBSD supports FAT32, FAT, and VFAT. > > /Mikael I didn't find it in the FAQ. I proposed a solution sometime ago, notify me if it's not the place to add something to the FAQ: --------- Q: Can FreeBSD read FAT32 partitions? A: Yes it can, the 2.2.7 and 3.x versions of the FreeBSD Operating System support it. Assuming that wd0s1 is your first FAT32 partition, you can execute the mount command has root: "# mkdir /dos" "# chmod 770 /dos" "# mount -v -t msdos /dev/wd0s1 /dos" or read only: "# mount -rv -t msdos /dev/wd0s1 /dos" or add it in the /etc/fstab file: "/dev/wd0s1 /dos msdos rw 0 0" or read only: "/dev/wd0s1 /dos msdos ro 0 0" WARNING: this text may have some error in it. --------- Cya -- [Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 4 02:07:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28135 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 02:07:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from 990.net ([202.102.24.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA28114 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 02:07:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owen@pub.cz.jsinfo.net) Message-Id: <199811041007.CAA28114@hub.freebsd.org> Received: (fmail 8759 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1998 08:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o-m?dept) (10.77.99.186) by 10.74.32.90 with SMTP; 4 Nov 1998 08:37:14 -0000 From: "Owen" To: Subject: Maybe FressBSD\bin\bin.* exist error on FTP sites? Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:37:41 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=HZ-GB-2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Help! While installing FreeBSD from a DOS partition on HP Brio model 8210 PC, it reports *checksum error* after BIN.AB installed and till *gzip* return error 1 for decompressing BIN.AI to stop installation. The problem can't be solved by re-download. Please help me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 4 02:07:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28224 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 02:07:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from 990.net ([202.102.24.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA28195 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 02:07:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owen@pub.cz.jsinfo.net) Message-Id: <199811041007.CAA28195@hub.freebsd.org> Received: (fmail 11749 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1998 08:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o-m?dept) (10.77.100.166) by 10.74.32.90 with SMTP; 4 Nov 1998 08:41:49 -0000 From: "Owen" To: Subject: Maybe FressBSD\bin\bin.* exist error on FTP sites? Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:41:48 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Help! While installing FreeBSD from a DOS partition on HP Brio model 8210 PC, it reports *checksum error* after BIN.AB installed and till *gzip* return error 1 for decompressing BIN.AI to stop installation. The problem can't be solved by re-download. Please help me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 4 04:12:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA12912 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 04:12:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA12887 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 04:12:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from w@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id NAA25591; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:06:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from w@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from w@localhost) by campa.panke.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13647; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:04:00 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from w) Message-ID: <19981104120359.A13643@panke.de.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:03:59 +0100 From: Wolfram Schneider To: nobreak@nobreak.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: typing mistake at support.html References: <363F6A62.25ACCBF@nobreak.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <363F6A62.25ACCBF@nobreak.com>; from Seung-young Kim on Wed, Nov 04, 1998 at 05:41:06AM +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I fix it yesterday. Wolfram On 1998-11-04 05:41:06 +0900, Seung-young Kim wrote: > I think there is a mistake at the page support.html. > > --- > French -- majordomo@freebsd.francenet.fr or WWWW. > --- > > Is it correct 'WWWW.' ? > If not. Please adjust correctly... > > >From beautiful Korea.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 4 10:56:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11933 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:56:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from joshua.enteract.com (joshua.enteract.com [207.229.129.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA11926 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:56:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from djhoward@joshua.enteract.com) Received: (qmail 25466 invoked by uid 1032); 4 Nov 1998 18:56:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19981104125648.E14392@enteract.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:56:48 -0600 From: dannyman To: Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DocBook markup guide for the Handbook References: <19981102232010.63991@nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981102232010.63991@nothing-going-on.org>; from Nik Clayton on Mon, Nov 02, 1998 at 11:20:10PM +0000 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Nov 02, 1998 at 11:20:10PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > Comments appreciated. This is a first draft. A tag would make it more Netscape bookmark-friendly. :) -d -- // dannyman yori aiokomete || Our Honored Symbol deserves \\/ http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ || an Honorable Retirement (UIUC) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 4 15:30:13 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29797 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:30:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [195.178.136.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29785 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:30:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Eyad@hosix.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua) Received: from hosix.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (0@hosix.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.100.0.6] (may be forged)) by ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA04141 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 01:29:28 +0200 (EET) Received: from hosix.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (eyad.hosix.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.100.24.6]) by hosix.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (1.2.3.4/hidden) with ESMTP id BAA19201 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 01:29:27 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3640E417.1BFACD7@hosix.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 01:32:39 +0200 From: "Mr.Eyad" <Eyad@hosix.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear sir... Whow I can add fvmw95 to my Xwindows and to make it activeble To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 4 15:42:09 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02244 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:42:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02187 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:41:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA23857; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:39:56 GMT (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19981104233956.60729@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:39:56 +0000 From: Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk> To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: DocBook conversion report / CSS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, DocBook conversion continues apace. The handbook is now split into chunks, and is now at the same level (in terms of content) as the original LinuxDoc handbook was back when I started this (1st April this year, for what it's worth). Known problems; - The stylesheet ignores the remap attribute when rendering <xrefs> so most of the internal links look wrong. - The build process isn't particularly elegant. - Content from the current Handbook needs merging in. - Extended entities (” and friends) aren't converted. - None of the other formats are generated yet. I'm working on these -- more news soon. Still, here's something for you all to look at <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/handbook/index.html> That includes a CSS stylesheet that I've whipped together. If anyone knows CSS, perhaps they could tell me why, in pages such as slipc.html, everything after the second heading is indented too far to the left? Or is it just my browser (Netscape 4.04)? Cheers, N -- C.R.F. Consulting -- we're run to make me richer. . . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 4 17:20:31 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18576 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 17:20:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from 990.net ([202.102.24.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA18567 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 17:20:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owen@pub.cz.jsinfo.net) Message-Id: <199811050120.RAA18567@hub.freebsd.org> Received: (fmail 14926 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1998 01:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o-m?dept) (10.77.100.61) by 10.74.32.90 with SMTP; 5 Nov 1998 01:10:28 -0000 From: "Owen" <owen@pub.cz.jsinfo.net> To: <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: May FressBSD_2.2.7-Release\bin\bin.* exist error on FTP sites? Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:10:19 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=HZ-GB-2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Help! While installing FreeBSD 2.2.7 Release from a DOS partition on HP Brio model 8210 PC, it reports *checksum error* after BIN.AB installed and till *gzip* return error 1 for decompressing BIN.AI to stop installation. The problem can't be solved by re-download. How can I do? Please help me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 4 23:55:01 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA00831 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:55:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00822 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:54:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Starborn56@aol.com) From: Starborn56@aol.com Received: from Starborn56@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id HHGCa02083 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 02:54:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <ce20aef9.364159a3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 02:54:11 EST To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Betatesters? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 231 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I was wondering if your site, projects needed betatest. I have tested from Dec 97. I have many hours a day online testing. I also see a vacancy for 1 or more positions in the company. I can handle on line help, public relations, and testing your software, drivers. Email me back if you are interested for more info. Best regards, starborn56@aol.com Nancy Genovese To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 5 12:45:29 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28535 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:45:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28439; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:44:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA12146; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 21:40:14 +0100 (MET) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.9.0) id VAA09520; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 21:40:12 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19981105214011.A8120@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 21:40:11 +0100 From: Wolfram Schneider <wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de> To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SWISH - Simple Web Indexing System Reply-To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Did someone tried this tool? Any good experiences? http://sunsite.Berkeley.EDU/SWISH-E/ SWISH-Enhanced is a fast, powerful, flexible, and easy to use system for indexing collections of Web pages or other text files. Key features include the ability to limit searches to certain HTML tags (META, TITLE, comments, etc.). The SWISH-E software is free, and we include a package of Perl programs that enable anyone who is authorized to create and maintain their own indexes (AutoSwish). SWISH-E is an enhanced version of SWISH, which was originally written by Kevin Hughes and modified and released with his permission. -- Wolfram Schneider <wosch@freebsd.org> http://freebsd.org/~w/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 5 15:23:55 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18419 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:23:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18411 for <doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:23:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17474; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:15:30 GMT (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19981105231529.08090@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:15:29 +0000 From: Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk> To: Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk>, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DocBook conversion report / CSS References: <19981104233956.60729@nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <19981104233956.60729@nothing-going-on.org>; from Nik Clayton on Wed, Nov 04, 1998 at 11:39:56PM +0000 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 04, 1998 at 11:39:56PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > Known problems; > > - The stylesheet ignores the remap attribute when rendering <xrefs> > so most of the internal links look wrong. Fixed. Instead of using <xref linkend="target" remap="foo">, use <link linkend="target">foo</link> > - The build process isn't particularly elegant. Still true. > - Content from the current Handbook needs merging in. Still true. > - Extended entities (” and friends) aren't converted. Not automated, but <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/handbook/index.html> is a copy of the Handbook with them converted (I think I've got all of them). > - None of the other formats are generated yet. Still true. Of the URL above; > That includes a CSS stylesheet that I've whipped together. > > If anyone knows CSS, perhaps they could tell me why, in pages such as > slipc.html, everything after the second heading is indented too far to > the left? Or is it just my browser (Netscape 4.04)? Well, it's not my browser, since Navigator 4.05 for Solaris does the same thing. Any CSS gurus in the house? N -- C.R.F. Consulting -- we're run to make me richer. . . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 5 15:32:31 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19463 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:32:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19458 for <doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:32:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19233; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:26:07 GMT (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19981105232607.20311@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:26:07 +0000 From: Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk> To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SWISH - Simple Web Indexing System References: <19981105214011.A8120@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <19981105214011.A8120@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de>; from Wolfram Schneider on Thu, Nov 05, 1998 at 09:40:11PM +0100 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 05, 1998 at 09:40:11PM +0100, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > Did someone tried this tool? Any good experiences? > > http://sunsite.Berkeley.EDU/SWISH-E/ Yes, a few years ago. I may even have some Perl CGI glue to parse the output and turn it into HTML if you want. N -- C.R.F. Consulting -- we're run to make me richer. . . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 5 15:54:14 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21863 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:54:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail001.mediacity.com (mail001.mediacity.com [205.216.172.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA21858 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:54:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from philenet@ispchannel.com) Received: (qmail 8861 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1998 00:01:05 -0000 Received: from cm2081662537.coralsprings.ispchannel.com (HELO ispchannel.com) (208.166.25.37) by mail001.mediacity.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 1998 00:01:05 -0000 Message-ID: <36423920.C6975157@ispchannel.com> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:47:44 -0500 From: Joe Bowra <philenet@ispchannel.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: freebsd cd's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i was wondering if you can help me. i downloaded the freebsd disk images from ftp.freebsd.org/pub/freebsd/incoming/iso-3.0 and the only program i have to make a copy of cd's is adaptec cd creator - and im running windows. is there any way i can make get the disk images on cd? please respond to philenet@ispchannel.com thanks joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 5 23:09:22 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA26303 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:09:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA26272 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:09:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21212; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:41:51 GMT (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19981105234151.50311@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:41:51 +0000 From: Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk> To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Opentag? Does this help localization? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, Has anyone else (particularly any of the translation teams) had a look at OpenTag, <URL:http://www.opentag.org/>? I think this might make the job of the translation teams easier, but I'm not convinced. N -- C.R.F. Consulting -- we're run to make me richer. . . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 5 23:23:07 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27691 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:23:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ss1000.ms.mff.cuni.cz (ss1000.ms.mff.cuni.cz [195.113.19.221]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA27594 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:22:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mhor5157@ss1000.ms.mff.cuni.cz) Received: from ulab-8.ms.mff.cuni.cz (mhor5157@ulab-8.ms.mff.cuni.cz [195.113.16.38]) by ss1000.ms.mff.cuni.cz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02232 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:22:26 +0100 Received: from localhost (mhor5157@localhost) by ulab-8.ms.mff.cuni.cz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA02640 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:22:24 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: ulab-8.ms.mff.cuni.cz: mhor5157 owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:22:24 +0100 (MET) From: Martin Horcicka <mhor5157@ss1000.ms.mff.cuni.cz> X-Sender: mhor5157@ulab-8.ms.mff.cuni.cz To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Widely implemented subset Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.981106075845.1936A-100000@ulab-8.ms.mff.cuni.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, my question is not tightly related to FreeBSD but to documentation. I certainly do know about attempts to make standard for unix programming (POSIX, SUS etc.) but these documents tell what unix SHOULD look like (...) and do not tell what existing systems REALLY look like. Is there any document which sumarizes some widely implemented subset of unix features? I think we all need something that tells us "If you use function blabla you will successfully compile it (and it will behave correctly) on the following systems (...) since their following versions (...)". Is there any such document? Martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Nov 6 02:33:11 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA12962 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 02:33:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from brutus.daloft.com ([199.250.168.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA12957 for <doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 02:33:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from remove@alpha-com.net) Received: from mail.alpha-com.net (host-209-214-80-93.ath.bellsouth.net [209.214.80.93]) by brutus.daloft.com (8.9.0/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA04668; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 05:35:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199811061035.FAA04668@brutus.daloft.com> From: AlphaCom <remove@alpha-com.net> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 05:20:39 Subject: Cheap PC Parts and Internet Services Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To: undisclosed-recipients:; We invite you to visit the site of AlphaCom Technologies, Inc. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Nov 6 05:11:36 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA27846 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 05:11:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA27836 for <doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 05:11:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA00959; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:10:37 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id OAA03595; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:10:37 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19981106141037.12372@follo.net> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:10:37 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund <eivind@yes.no> To: Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk>, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DocBook conversion report / CSS References: <19981104233956.60729@nothing-going-on.org> <19981105231529.08090@nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <19981105231529.08090@nothing-going-on.org>; from Nik Clayton on Thu, Nov 05, 1998 at 11:15:29PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 05, 1998 at 11:15:29PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > - Extended entities (” and friends) aren't converted. > > Not automated, but > > <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/handbook/index.html> > > is a copy of the Handbook with them converted (I think I've got all of > them). http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/handbook/skey.html shows … as text. I don't know if this is considered as part of the above statement, but it should be fixed at some point. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Nov 6 05:27:12 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29506 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 05:27:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29500 for <doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 05:27:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from chronias.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.59.138]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA5BDD for <doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:26:54 +0100 Message-ID: <XFMail.981106143051.asmodai@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 14:30:51 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> To: FreeBSD Documentation <doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Homepage banner Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi guys, slight request/suggestion to the frontpage/homepage maintainers: How about adding a banner that links the three *BSD sites ? This might also require asking OpenBSd and NetBSD offcourse, but it would make for a handy fast linkage of the *BSD effort... --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl Junior Network/Security Specialist FreeBSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Nov 6 05:27:17 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29543 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 05:27:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29529 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 05:27:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from chronias.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.59.138]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA40EB; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:27:00 +0100 Message-ID: <XFMail.981106143056.asmodai@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <363F8E2F.73998D04@brooks.smileys.net> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 14:30:56 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> To: Leon Brooks <leon@brooks.smileys.net> Subject: RE: The FreeBSDaemon Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 03-Nov-98 Leon Brooks wrote: > Who draws this little critter? Is it possible to get one drawn of him > playing ice-hockey? Kevin Mc*something unpronouncable* see http://www.daemonnews.org for an article on the Daemon. Hope this helps, --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl Junior Network/Security Specialist FreeBSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Nov 6 05:27:22 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29586 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 05:27:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29566 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 05:27:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from chronias.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.59.138]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA4119; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:27:06 +0100 Message-ID: <XFMail.981106143102.asmodai@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <ce20aef9.364159a3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 14:31:02 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> To: Starborn56@aol.com Subject: RE: Betatesters? Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 05-Nov-98 Starborn56@aol.com wrote: > Hello, > I was wondering if your site, projects needed betatest. I have tested > from Dec 97. Tested FreeBSD? > I have many hours a day online testing. Uh huh, hope ye realised that about 80% (or something like that JKH is bound to know the exact figures ;) of the FreeBSD project is *free/volunteer* work. Always glad for more testers =) > I also see a vacancy for 1 or more positions in the company. I can > handle > on line help, public relations, and testing your software, drivers. Eh? Vacancy? *wonders* > Email me back if you are interested for more info. *G* What were ye aiming at? =) --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl Junior Network/Security Specialist FreeBSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Nov 6 05:32:26 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA00146 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 05:32:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA00123 for <doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 05:32:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from chronias.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.59.138]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA508C for <doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:32:03 +0100 Message-ID: <XFMail.981106143603.asmodai@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 14:36:03 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> To: FreeBSD Documentation <doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: User Guide to Programming Tools Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Whoaha, that document is outdated =) No mentions of JDK on the page and I bet more languages could be mentioned on it too... --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl Junior Network/Security Specialist FreeBSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Nov 6 06:59:01 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07763 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 06:59:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mushi.colo.neosoft.com (mushi.colo.neosoft.com [206.109.6.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA07746 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 06:58:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@taronga.com) Received: (qmail 24880 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1998 14:58:26 -0000 Received: from bonkers.neosoft.com (HELO bonkers.taronga.com) (root@206.109.2.48) by mushi.colo.neosoft.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 1998 14:58:26 -0000 Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA12931; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:58:24 -0600 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:58:24 -0600 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199811061458.IAA12931@bonkers.taronga.com> To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Newsgroups: taronga.freebsd.doc Subject: Re: Homepage banner References: <XFMail.981106143051.asmodai@wxs.nl> Organization: none X-No-Archive: yes Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <XFMail.981106143051.asmodai@wxs.nl>, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> wrote: >How about adding a banner that links the three *BSD sites ? "The BSD Webring?" -- This is The Reverend Peter da Silva's Boring Sig File - there are no references to Wolves, Kibo, Discordianism, or The Church of the Subgenius in this document "The GCOS GERTS interface is so bad that a description here is inappropriate. Anyone seeking to use this interface should seek divine guidance." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Nov 6 07:33:41 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11525 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:33:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA11520 for <doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:33:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chrisb@odin.France.Sun.COM) Received: from France.Sun.COM ([129.157.188.1]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id HAA24923 for <doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:33:28 -0800 Received: from odin.France.Sun.COM by France.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-sd.fkk200) id QAA08121; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 16:33:26 +0100 Received: from orwell by odin.France.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA26783; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 16:32:47 +0100 Message-Id: <199811061532.QAA26783@odin.France.Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 16:32:23 +0100 (MET) From: Christine McKinty - Sun Microsystems <chrisb@odin.France.Sun.COM> Reply-To: Christine McKinty - Sun Microsystems <chrisb@odin.France.Sun.COM> Subject: FreeBSD manpages in SGML? To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: chrisb@odin.France.Sun.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: NT1U1FiTa9eFgOqGSlxD4g== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.0 CDE Version 1.2 SunOS 5.6 sun4m sparc Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I learned from your Documentation Current Projects page that you are going to be providing the documentation in SGML in future. Are you also planning to convert the manpages? I'm working on a project that will deliver a very large set of manpages, including some from the FreeBSD 2.2.7 release. Our home-grown manpages are marked up in SGML. It would be great if I had everything in the same format! Regards, Chris McKinty To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Nov 6 07:57:57 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15059 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:57:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt053n18.san.rr.com (dt053n18.san.rr.com [204.210.34.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA15054 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:57:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt053n18.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04339; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:57:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@gorean.org) Message-ID: <36431C5F.BD0A8169@gorean.org> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 07:57:19 -0800 From: Studded <Studded@gorean.org> Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE-1101 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Horcicka <mhor5157@ss1000.ms.mff.cuni.cz> CC: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Widely implemented subset References: <Pine.GSO.3.96.981106075845.1936A-100000@ulab-8.ms.mff.cuni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A) this belongs on freebsd-questions. B) when you send your question to that list, keep in mind that it's impossible to answer this question without knowing more about your specific goals. Good luck, Doug Martin Horcicka wrote: > > Hi, > my question is not tightly related to FreeBSD but to documentation. > I certainly do know about attempts to make standard for unix programming > (POSIX, SUS etc.) but these documents tell what unix SHOULD look like > (...) and do not tell what existing systems REALLY look like. > Is there any document which sumarizes some widely implemented subset of > unix features? I think we all need something that tells us "If you use > function blabla you will successfully compile it (and it will behave > correctly) on the following systems (...) since their following versions > (...)". Is there any such document? > > Martin > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Nov 6 09:56:11 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04330 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:56:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from niobe.ewox.org (ppp071.uio.no [129.240.240.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04324 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:56:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from finrod@niobe.ewox.org) Received: (from finrod@localhost) by niobe.ewox.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA00726; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 18:55:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from finrod) To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Logos on the main www page Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: finrod@ewox.org (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 06 Nov 1998 18:55:47 +0100 Message-ID: <86r9vgd7to.fsf@niobe.ewox.org> Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The logos at the bottom of the main page make the page too wide for 640x480 (or even for higher resolutions - I'm one of those old- fashioned people who like their browsers in A4 format, which is roughly 650x750 on a 1024x768 display). Could they be split into two lines, with the "powered by" logos on top and the three others below? Also, the FreeBSD Mall logo doesn't look good in such a small size. The contrast is too low, so the word "MALL" is hard to read and the daemon is nearly invisible against the red background; and the grey background doesn't look good against the white background of the page DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - finrod@ewox.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Nov 6 10:42:33 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11003 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:42:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10995 for <doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:42:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfieber@fallout.campusview.indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA01075; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 13:40:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 13:40:54 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber <jfieber@indiana.edu> To: Wolfram Schneider <wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org> cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: search result presentation In-Reply-To: <199811021257.NAA06401@campa.panke.de.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9811061338030.482-100000@fallout.campusview.indiana.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 2 Nov 1998, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > If I search in the web pages (web, handbook, FAQ) > I get a list of filenames, e..g: I have a re-write of the cgi that I need to bring over that fixes all these problems, and has some other features as well. I'll see about dusting it off and making it work on...I guess it is still hub that is doing the mailing lists? I know that is where the indexing takes place because I get the output of the indexing cron job once a week.... -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Nov 6 11:46:04 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19389 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:46:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19331 for <doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:45:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from chronias.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.58.164]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA21BB; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:45:42 +0100 Message-ID: <XFMail.981106204944.asmodai@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199811061458.IAA12931@bonkers.taronga.com> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 20:49:44 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> To: (Peter da Silva) <peter@taronga.com> Subject: Re: Homepage banner Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 06-Nov-98 Peter da Silva wrote: > In article <XFMail.981106143051.asmodai@wxs.nl>, > Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> wrote: >>How about adding a banner that links the three *BSD sites ? > > "The BSD Webring?" Sounds cool... Link to BSDi, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD and get the others to use the same gif/jpeg etc... btw, www.bsd.org is also registered... FYI, --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl Junior Network/Security Specialist FreeBSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Nov 6 12:15:57 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25302 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 12:15:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from niobe.ewox.org (ppp114.uio.no [129.240.240.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25274 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 12:15:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from finrod@niobe.ewox.org) Received: (from finrod@localhost) by niobe.ewox.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA02025; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 21:15:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from finrod) To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: An and Aq macros Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: finrod@ewox.org (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 06 Nov 1998 21:15:30 +0100 Message-ID: <86sofw4ly5.fsf@niobe.ewox.org> Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can any of you doc wizards tell me why the An and Aq macros (used for authors' names and email addresses in man pages) appear to behave nondeterministically? Take a look at fetch(3) on FreeBSD-CURRENT; sometimes a line break is inserted between the name and email address, and sometimes not. The result is grueling, to say the least. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - finrod@ewox.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Nov 6 12:23:10 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26433 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 12:23:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26383 for <doc@Freebsd.org>; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 12:22:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22508; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:15:47 GMT (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19981106201547.11656@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:15:47 +0000 From: Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk> To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Doc. Project. Primer, please read and comment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK, you know how it is. This was going to be a small, simple tutorial on how to use DocBook with the Documentation Project, and how the Handbook is built. It's grown a bit :-) It's now what I'm calling "The FreeBSD Documentation Project Primer for Contributors". The idea is that someone comes along to the -doc mailing list and says "Hi, I'd like to contribute, what can I do?". We say "Please go and read *this* (or at least, skip those bits you're comfortable with, read those bits that are new to you). This'll bring you up to speed on what the Project is, how it works, what we use, enough SGML to get you started, and information on how the Handbook, FAQ, and web site are put together. Then go to the Doc. Proj. projects page on the web site and pick something you like the look of. OK?" As ever, I need criticisms and contributors. - I think the SGML Primer is pretty much complete. Could people please read through it and let me know if it's confusing or if the information should be reordered or augmented. - The Tools section needs fleshing out. - The SGML Markup section needs fleshing out. HTML is completely empty; I can fill that in later myself, or someone else can do it (please!) DocBook is a little disorganised, since I haven't done anything with it since I changed the direction of this tutorial. I'll sort that out soon. LinuxDoc is empty, and will stay that way unless someone writes something to go in there. I know next to nothing about the DTD. - The FAQ should cover how the FAQ is made, what files make it up, and so on. If the FAQmeister could step up to the plate on this one. . . (or anyone else for that matter). - The Handbook section -- I've got most of the text for this, unfortunately it's mixed in with the DocBook section. I'll split it out later. - The Website. As with the FAQ. At least here I already know how the website is put together, and could write this myself if no one wants to. - Writing style is my own list of do's and don'ts. Please feel free to suggest more. - Ditto to "Using sgml-mode with Emacs". - See also will be pointers to other references. It's pretty empty at the moment. It's at <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/primer/index.html> (or will be within a few minutes of this message hitting the lists). N -- C.R.F. Consulting -- we're run to make me richer. . . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Nov 6 12:23:30 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26550 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 12:23:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26503 for <doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 12:23:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22028; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:12:01 GMT (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19981106201201.39065@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:12:01 +0000 From: Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk> To: Eivind Eklund <eivind@yes.no>, Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk>, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DocBook conversion report / CSS References: <19981104233956.60729@nothing-going-on.org> <19981105231529.08090@nothing-going-on.org> <19981106141037.12372@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <19981106141037.12372@follo.net>; from Eivind Eklund on Fri, Nov 06, 1998 at 02:10:37PM +0100 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Nov 06, 1998 at 02:10:37PM +0100, Eivind Eklund wrote: > On Thu, Nov 05, 1998 at 11:15:29PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > - Extended entities (” and friends) aren't converted. > > > > Not automated, but > > > > <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/handbook/index.html> > > > > is a copy of the Handbook with them converted (I think I've got all of > > them). > > http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/handbook/skey.html > > shows … as text. Damn. Noted and fixed in the next version. Anyone seen any others? N -- C.R.F. Consulting -- we're run to make me richer. . . 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Tom Sawer atualissima@fenixnet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Nov 7 13:42:30 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13060 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 13:42:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13037 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 13:42:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08822; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 21:14:16 GMT (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19981107211415.05931@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 21:14:15 +0000 From: Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk> To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: TeX problems; Doc. Proj. needs you! Reply-To: nik@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ multi-posted, because of x-post limits, to -hackers, -advocacy, -newbies, and -doc. -hackers, because we might have some hackers who know TeX, but wouldn't think of reading -doc because they don't think they can write. -advocacy, for similar reasons -newbies, for similar reasons (some of the folks in there are new to FreeBSD, but not knew to Unix and/or Unix apps) -doc, because it's Doc. Proj. related. Also posted to comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc. Reply-To set back to me, nik@freebsd.org ] Calling all TeX hackers, your Documentation Project needs you. The Handbook has been converted to DocBook. This process is (bar some merging from current content) complete. One of the last hurdles is getting PostScript and PDF versions of the Handbook generated. When that's done, we can retire the LinuxDoc version (and start working on the FAQ, and other tutorials). I don't know TeX, and I don't have reference materials handy. There's also a bunch of other Doc. Proj. related stuff that I can do to help bring others up to speed. So I need your help. Briefly, this is how the Handbook is now arranged; * The DocBook Handbook is in the doc/en/handbook subdirectory of the CVS tree. There's a Makefile in there, which should work, as long as you've installed ports/textproc/docproj -- this is a meta-port which will pull in all the others. * The Handbook is processed by an application called Jade. Jade produces a .tex file. * This .tex file then needs to be used, in conjunction with some macros, called JadeTeX, to produce a DVI file. The JadeTeX macros also have a PDF variant. JadeTex needs teTeX v0.9. In theory, that's all the pieces that are needed. I can sort of get things to work. But there are problems, and I don't know how to fix them. This where I've got to so far; * Download and install textproc/docproj from the ports system. This will give you Jade, the DTDs for the Doc. Proj. (don't worry, you don't need to know what they are) and supporting applications. * Download and install print/teTeX-beta from the ports system (you want a version which identifies itself as 0.9-YYMMDD). It's large, ~30MB of required distfiles. * Configure TeX with /usr/local/bin/texconfig. - Rebuild the ls-R database - Change the hyphenation table. Uncomment the British entry (and keep a stiff upper lip as you do so). - Set an xdvi default papertype - Set a dvips default papertype - In the fonts menu, add global write permissions * Fetch the JadeTeX macro package from a CTAN repository, such as <URL:http://tug.org/applications/jadetex/> You want the contents of that directory and all the subdirectories, so somewhere that supports on the fly tarring of directories is useful. The RCS string in jadetex.dtx should be 2.3 or higher. * Install it. It comes with a Makefile, but it's got problems; 1. The line tex -ini "&hugelatex" jadetex.ini doesn't work, there is no &hugelatex. I used &latex. 2. It references dsssl.def and isoents.tex. I don't know where they come from. 3. Building pdfjadetex doesn't work, due to problems with hyperref. Ignoring those problems, I can get it to install using the Makefile. * Checkout a copy of /doc/en/handbook/ from the CVS repository. You'll also need /doc/en/sgml checked out (and in the same relative position in the filesystem). Run make handbook.tex and wait for it to generate a ~5MB .tex file. If the "handbook.tex" target doesn't exist, it means I haven't committed the Makefile yet. Instead, you can run the following /usr/local/bin/jade -c ../../sgml/catalog \ -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog \ -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/3.0/catalog \ -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog \ -d /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/print/docbook.dsl \ -t tex handbook.sgml * Bump up your TeX limits, since the Handbook's size pushes TeX fairly hard. In particular, you want these settings hash_extra = 60000 pool_size = 1000000 max_strings = 70000 in /usr/local/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf (adjust the path depending on your $PREFIX setting). * Run tex "&jadetex" handbook.tex You will see errors go by, but it will eventually generate handbook.dvi. The generated file has some problems, in particular, most of the ISO entities (>, ö, and so on) are still in that form, and haven't been translated. Also, the table of contents doesn't have the page numbers correct. You should also be able to do tex "&pdfjadetex" handbook.tex to get the PDF version. I can't do this because of the hyperref problems I outline above. If you can get this working, *and* come up with a jadetex port, I'll be very grateful. If you can get this working, and can give me detailed instructions so that I can write a jadetex port, I'll still be pretty grateful :-) Many thanks to anyone who can help with this. N -- C.R.F. Consulting -- we're run to make me richer. . . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Nov 7 13:42:54 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13182 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 13:42:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13098 for <doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 13:42:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA10685; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 21:29:32 GMT (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19981107212931.28126@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 21:29:31 +0000 From: Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk> To: Christine McKinty - Sun Microsystems <chrisb@odin.France.Sun.COM>, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD manpages in SGML? References: <199811061532.QAA26783@odin.France.Sun.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199811061532.QAA26783@odin.France.Sun.COM>; from Christine McKinty - Sun Microsystems on Fri, Nov 06, 1998 at 04:32:23PM +0100 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Nov 06, 1998 at 04:32:23PM +0100, Christine McKinty - Sun Microsystems wrote: > I learned from your Documentation Current Projects page that you are > going to be providing the documentation in SGML in future. Are you > also planning to convert the manpages? Only in the sense that I've idly thought that it might be a project to tackle in the medium future. I haven't got much beyond that stage though. > I'm working on a project that will deliver a very large set of > manpages, including some from the FreeBSD 2.2.7 release. Our home-grown > manpages are marked up in SGML. It would be great if I had everything in the > same format! Would you be doing the conversion? We currently provide translations of the manual pages into different languages, and we could treat this as just another language (pretty much). Would you be interested in co-ordinating this and keeping them up to date? N -- C.R.F. Consulting -- we're run to make me richer. . . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Nov 7 13:43:00 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13236 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 13:43:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13180; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 13:42:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11901; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 21:39:33 GMT (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19981107213933.43220@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 21:39:33 +0000 From: Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>, Chad David <davidc@acns.ab.ca>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Documentation (was Re: freebsd-hackers-digest V4 #299) Reply-To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3644A494.C40D3C8F@acns.ab.ca> <12568.910468750@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <12568.910468750@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Sat, Nov 07, 1998 at 11:59:10AM -0800 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ x-posted to hackers, where it started, and doc, where it should continue. Reply-to set to doc] On Sat, Nov 07, 1998 at 11:59:10AM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Yes, well, technical docs of this nature are definitely a job which > requires that someone actively keep it up to date or it becomes > rapidly worthless. I know nothing about it, but what are people's thoughts on using some sort of 'literate' programming system (is that the right term?) in FreeBSD. After a day spent playing with TeX, the Web2c system is obviously the nearest example. Or maybe there's a C equivalent to JavaDoc? As I say, I know nothing about these things, I'm just throwing it out as a discussion point. > Nik Clayton has just taken over as the new > Documentation Project Manager (yea Nik!) and perhaps this is something > he'd be willing to give you some bootstrapping assistance with. Certainly. Ask and ye shall receive and all that. The -doc mailing list is the general place to ask these sorts of questions (as Jordan has indicated). Take a look at <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/primer/index.html> for my half-completed draft of a primer for contributors to the FreeBSD documentation effort. I'm trying to get a critical mass of documents together so that the learning curve is sufficiently shallow for most people that they can just get stuck in documenting, rather than spending time fighting with the toolchain. > His > early docs on coming to grips with SGML are already quite good and I > imagine that the Docbook DTD could be used (or enhanced) to do > programmer's API documentation just as well as the Handbook. Absolutely. DocBook is designed for exactly that sort of technical documentation. In fact, Someone on -doc recently made the suggestion that we shift the manual pages from *roff format to DocBook. That's possibly a touch too controversial at the moment, but might not be beyond the bounds of possiblity for the medium term future. In fact, it might be worth doing that within the Doc. Project, treating them as another translation (similar to the Japanese translation) of the manual pages? See the (short) thread in -doc starting with a message from Christine McKinty, <chrisb@odin.France.Sun.COM>, subject is "FreeBSD manpages in SGML?", messageID is <199811061532.QAA26783@odin.France.Sun.COM>. > > depressing to joyfully congratulate myself for getting my first LKM > > device driver to work, only to read five minutes later in Jordan's 3.0 > > announcement that LKM was dead. > > Sorry about that.. . Is it at least some consolation that what it's > getting replaced with is a whole lot better? :) It's also still useful. There are a lot of 2.2.x systems out there for which it will be useful. And it can be added to a growing corpus of sample documentation to point people to and say "Steal ideas from this." :-) > > Point me at what needs to be documented. I am only one person, but > > /usr/src/sys :-) And pick a part of that, particularly if you're already familiar with it. Better still, work out who's responsible for it (say, syscons, maintained by Soren) and work with them. Ideally, you don't want them making large changes without first working with you to make sure it stays documented. This is one of my concerns with the Handbook at the moment. For example, the section on how FreeBSD boots is getting more and more out of date as -current progresses, and I don't know if anyone's stuck their hand up to document it. N -- C.R.F. Consulting -- we're run to make me richer. . . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Nov 7 15:04:24 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20223 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:04:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20200; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:04:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id AAA04413; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 00:03:17 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 00:03:16 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>, Chad David <davidc@acns.ab.ca>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Documentation (was Re: freebsd-hackers-digest V4 #299) References: <3644A494.C40D3C8F@acns.ab.ca> <12568.910468750@time.cdrom.com> <19981107213933.43220@nothing-going-on.org> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 08 Nov 1998 00:03:16 +0100 In-Reply-To: Nik Clayton's message of "Sat, 7 Nov 1998 21:39:33 +0000" Message-ID: <xzpww57umvf.fsf@hrotti.ifi.uio.no> Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id PAA20205 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk> writes: > Or maybe there's a C equivalent to JavaDoc? I'm sure any halfway competent Perl hacker could write one in a few hours. I've done similar stuff for a project I worked on this summer. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Nov 7 15:26:40 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21835 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:26:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gvinpin.grad.kiev.ua (KievglavArhit-UTC-28k8.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21818; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:26:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA) Received: from Shevchenko.Kiev.UA (cam [10.0.0.50]) by gvinpin.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA25226; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 01:25:04 +0200 Message-ID: <3644D6B7.C10CBF9E@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 01:24:39 +0200 From: Ruslan Shevchenko <Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA> Reply-To: rssh@grad.kiev.ua X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav" <dag-erli@ifi.uio.no> CC: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>, Chad David <davidc@acns.ab.ca>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Documentation (was Re: freebsd-hackers-digest V4 #299) References: <3644A494.C40D3C8F@acns.ab.ca> <12568.910468750@time.cdrom.com> <19981107213933.43220@nothing-going-on.org> <xzpww57umvf.fsf@hrotti.ifi.uio.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav wrote: > > Nik Clayton ?nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk? writes: > ? Or maybe there's a C equivalent to JavaDoc? > > I'm sure any halfway competent Perl hacker could write one in a few > hours. I've done similar stuff for a project I worked on this summer. > This problem can be very simple or very huge, depend from what you want to receive. for very simple friend of javadoc you can look at my sdoc. http://cam.grad.kiev.ua/~rssh/sdoc/ Now I need *really* C++ documentation generator and think about creating gcc backend. > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- @= //RSSH mailto:Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA CORBA in Ukraine & ex-USSR: http://www.corbadev.kiev.ua To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Nov 7 15:31:24 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22330 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:31:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.nobreak.com (ns.nobreak.com [210.105.79.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22325 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:31:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobreak@nobreak.com) Received: from nobreak.com (nobreak.nobreak.com [210.105.79.103]) by ns.nobreak.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA23331; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 08:49:38 +0900 Message-ID: <3644D831.79A3CD38@nobreak.com> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 08:30:57 +0900 From: Seung-young Kim <nobreak@nobreak.com> Reply-To: nobreak@nobreak.com Organization: Nobreak Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, admin@kr.freebsd.org, doc@kr.freebsd.org Subject: Dear FreeBSD Documentation Project.. (about house-moving) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear FreeBSD Documentation Project.. Our project homepage for Korean documentation had been moved to new sweet room (it's our official site) So, can you adjust our project url at the page '/docproj/translations.html' ? --- The FreeBSD Korean Documentation Project Web: http://www.kr.freebsd.org/projects/doc-kr/ E-Mail: doc@kr.freebsd.org --- Currently we are still working handbook...it's half available.. :).. Wait for us! immediately we go ... Best Regards........from beautiful Korea... -- * R&D / Senior researcher: Seung-young Kim * Tel: +82-42-828-7887/8 , Fax: +82-42-828-7889 * Homepage: http://nobreak.nobreak.ne.kr __________________________________________________ Nobreak Technologies, Inc. http://www.nobreak.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Nov 7 15:37:41 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22960 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:37:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22921; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:37:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA04875; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 10:07:13 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id KAA02828; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 10:07:13 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981108100712.V499@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 10:07:12 +1030 From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> To: nik@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TeX problems; Doc. Proj. needs you! References: <19981107211415.05931@nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19981107211415.05931@nothing-going-on.org>; from Nik Clayton on Sat, Nov 07, 1998 at 09:14:15PM +0000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday, 7 November 1998 at 21:14:15 +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > Calling all TeX hackers, your Documentation Project needs you. > > The Handbook has been converted to DocBook. This process is (bar some > merging from current content) complete. One of the last hurdles is getting > PostScript and PDF versions of the Handbook generated. When that's done, > we can retire the LinuxDoc version (and start working on the FAQ, and > other tutorials). I did some playing around with this a couple of years ago. At that time, it was possible to convert the sgml stuff into either TeX or *roff source. I tried both routes to PostScript, and found the appearance of the *roff-derived version to be superior. There's something about stuff which has been formatted with TeX which shouts "look at me, I've been formatted with TeX". In addition to that, I consider TeX to be a piece of *(&$*. This is not lack of experience: I used TeX for years before being forcibly converted to *roff. If there's any interest in going the *roff path, count me in. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Nov 7 16:21:02 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29147 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:21:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from saffron.fsl.noaa.gov (saffron.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.253.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29128; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:20:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kelly@plutotech.com) Received: from plutotech.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saffron.fsl.noaa.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00304; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 17:20:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kelly@plutotech.com) Message-ID: <3644E3C4.D41B60C5@plutotech.com> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 17:20:20 -0700 From: Sean Kelly <kelly@plutotech.com> Organization: Pluto Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> CC: nik@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TeX problems; Doc. Proj. needs you! References: <19981107211415.05931@nothing-going-on.org> <19981108100712.V499@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > ... There's > something about stuff which has been formatted with TeX which shouts > "look at me, I've been formatted with TeX". Funny, I'd say the same thing about documents coming out of *roff. But with either system, it's possible, with enough work, to create output that doesn't reveal its origins. For example, many are surprised that the invoices I print for consulting work come out of plain TeX. For a sample, see: http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/sampleInvoice.ps --Sean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Nov 7 16:23:10 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29452 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:23:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29446; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:23:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01938; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 00:19:32 GMT (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19981108001932.19745@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 00:19:32 +0000 From: Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk> To: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>, nik@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TeX problems; Doc. Proj. needs you! References: <19981107211415.05931@nothing-going-on.org> <19981108100712.V499@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <19981108100712.V499@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Sun, Nov 08, 1998 at 10:07:12AM +1030 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Nov 08, 1998 at 10:07:12AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Saturday, 7 November 1998 at 21:14:15 +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > Calling all TeX hackers, your Documentation Project needs you. [...] > I did some playing around with this a couple of years ago. At that > time, it was possible to convert the sgml stuff into either TeX or > *roff source. I tried both routes to PostScript, and found the > appearance of the *roff-derived version to be superior. There's > something about stuff which has been formatted with TeX which shouts > "look at me, I've been formatted with TeX". True enough. That could just be people using similar styles, fonts, and so on. It gets pretty easy to spot web pages that have been processed by Norm Walsh's DocBook HTML stylesheets as well :-) > In addition to that, I consider TeX to be a piece of *(&$*. This is > not lack of experience: I used TeX for years before being forcibly > converted to *roff. If there's any interest in going the *roff path, > count me in. Chuck Robey's mailed me and expressed interest in doing this, but says he won't be able to get to it for 45 days or so, because of real world commitments. If you wanted to liase with him that would be great. I think the most useful contribution would be a *roff backend for Jade, because we then have something that's not tied to any one DTD. I have no idea how difficult that would be to do, and involves C++ (you may or may not consider that a plus). Failing that, anything that can read DocBook and spit it *roff is good, and will be greeted with open arms. Can we go from *roff to PDF? N -- C.R.F. Consulting -- we're run to make me richer. . . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Nov 7 16:28:02 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00274 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:28:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00234 for <doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:27:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03012; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 00:27:21 GMT (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19981108002721.10430@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 00:27:21 +0000 From: Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk> To: nobreak@nobreak.com, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, admin@kr.freebsd.org, doc@kr.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dear FreeBSD Documentation Project.. (about house-moving) References: <3644D831.79A3CD38@nobreak.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <3644D831.79A3CD38@nobreak.com>; from Seung-young Kim on Sun, Nov 08, 1998 at 08:30:57AM +0900 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Nov 08, 1998 at 08:30:57AM +0900, Seung-young Kim wrote: > Our project homepage for Korean documentation had been moved to > new sweet room (it's our official site) > > So, can you adjust our project url at the page > '/docproj/translations.html' ? Done. The change should take effect within 24 hours. Many thanks for maintaining these. N -- C.R.F. Consulting -- we're run to make me richer. . . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Nov 7 16:45:04 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02578 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:45:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02570; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:45:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA05147; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 11:14:45 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id LAA02935; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 11:14:43 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981108111442.Y499@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 11:14:42 +1030 From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> To: Sean Kelly <kelly@plutotech.com> Cc: nik@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TeX problems; Doc. Proj. needs you! References: <19981107211415.05931@nothing-going-on.org> <19981108100712.V499@freebie.lemis.com> <3644E3C4.D41B60C5@plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <3644E3C4.D41B60C5@plutotech.com>; from Sean Kelly on Sat, Nov 07, 1998 at 05:20:20PM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday, 7 November 1998 at 17:20:20 -0700, Sean Kelly wrote: >> ... There's >> something about stuff which has been formatted with TeX which shouts >> "look at me, I've been formatted with TeX". > > Funny, I'd say the same thing about documents coming out of *roff. Examples? I've been using *roff for a while now, and I still can't recognize them. Of course, you can end up recognizing specific macro sets, but that's not the same thing. > But with either system, it's possible, with enough work, to create > output that doesn't reveal its origins. Agreed. But I've never seen anybody go to the trouble in TeX. To quote "Porting UNIX Software": More than anywhere else in porting, it is good for your state of mind to steer clear of TeX internals. The assumptions on which the syntax is based differ markedly from those of other programming languages. For example, identifiers may not contain digits, and spaces are required only when the meaning would otherwise be ambiguous (to TeX, not to you), so the sequence fontsize300 is in fact the identifier fontsize followed by the number 300. On the other hand, it is almost impossible to find any good solid information in the documentation, so you could spend hours trying to solve a minor problem. I have been using TeX frequently for years, and I still find it the most frustrating program I have ever seen. [1] [1] When I wrote this sentence, I wondered if I wasn't overstating the case. Mike Loukides, the author of Programming with GNU Software, reviewed the final draft and added a single word: Amen. > For example, many are surprised that the invoices I print for consulting > work come out of plain TeX. For a sample, see: > > http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/sampleInvoice.ps I'm not. I used to do that too, but I changed to *roff quite some time after changing everything else. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Nov 7 21:44:14 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA01649 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 21:44:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from saffron.fsl.noaa.gov (saffron.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.253.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01641; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 21:44:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kelly@plutotech.com) Received: from plutotech.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saffron.fsl.noaa.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00978; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 22:43:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kelly@plutotech.com) Message-ID: <36452F94.36F5A2E1@plutotech.com> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 22:43:48 -0700 From: Sean Kelly <kelly@plutotech.com> Organization: Pluto Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nik@FreeBSD.ORG CC: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TeX problems; Doc. Proj. needs you! References: <19981107211415.05931@nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The Handbook has been converted to DocBook. And there was much rejoicing! > * Download and install print/teTeX-beta from the ports system (you want > a version which identifies itself as 0.9-YYMMDD). It's large, ~30MB of > required distfiles. What's the difference between teTeX and regular TeX? I've never heard of teTeX until you mentioned it, and the ports description isn't terribly helpful. > * Install it. It comes with a Makefile, but it's got problems; > > 1. The line > > tex -ini "&hugelatex" jadetex.ini > > doesn't work, there is no &hugelatex. I used &latex. That's probably someone's configuration for a latex with a larger "pool" size. I haven't encountered problems with using the standard latex (yet). > 2. It references dsssl.def and isoents.tex. I don't know where > they come from. Those are built into jadetex.dtx; they're generated when you "make". My hurdles are just getting the "make" to run cleanly. I've had to fetch the latex AMS fonts package and the latex Graphics package so far. And ulem.sty. And OT2enc.def, but renamed to ot2enc.def. And the ec metafont package. And fancyhdr.sty. And yet more! Blech. (Maybe all those are built into teTeX?) Maybe a better place to get jadetex is from the CTAN's /tex-archive/macros/jadetex directory, which includes a directory "cooked" which seems to have all the stuff I'm missing. Finally, it fails to build not finding a language.dat file for French. Merde. I think I'll throw in the towel for now and try again tomorrow with teTeX. :-( Sometimes, I genuinely hate TeX. --Sean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message