From owner-freebsd-java Sun Nov 14 17:22:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mail.delanet.com (hermes.delanet.com [208.9.136.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F72C14C99 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:22:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmc@WILLSCREEK.COM) Received: (qmail 84005 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1999 01:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO footbridge.willscreek.com) (206.231.177.121) by mail.delanet.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 1999 01:20:17 -0000 Received: from current.willscreek.com (current.willscreek.com [172.16.87.1]) by footbridge.willscreek.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA14002; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:21:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199911150121.UAA14002@footbridge.willscreek.com> From: Brian Clapper MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:20:58 -0500 (EST) To: Jake Burkholder Cc: Dmitry Golovashkin , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: parsin in Java In-Reply-To: <19991112181351.396151FD9@io.yi.org> References: <19991112174341.25434.qmail@nwcst293.netaddress.usa.net> <19991112181351.396151FD9@io.yi.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 12 November, 1999, at 10:13 (-0800) Jake Burkholder wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > I am wondering whether there are Java packages > > which would be equivalent to `yacc,' `bison,' and `flex' (parsing). > > Have a look at java-cup and jlex, in the ports collection. Another good one (IMO) is ANTLR. It's LL(k), not LALR(1), which can require some adjusting, if you're used to yacc/lex. However, I've used ANTLR, and I rather like it. See www.antlr.org for details. -Brian Brian Clapper, bmc@WillsCreek.COM, http://WWW.WillsCreek.COM/ When you're not looking at it, this fortune is written in FORTRAN. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Nov 16 10: 2:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from soleil.uvsq.fr (soleil.uvsq.fr [193.51.24.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DC61521C for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:02:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hpc@prism.uvsq.fr) Received: from lucifer.prism.uvsq.fr (lucifer.prism.uvsq.fr [193.51.25.7]) by soleil.uvsq.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.2) with ESMTP id TAA51615 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:02:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from gibet.prism.uvsq.fr (hpc@gibet.prism.uvsq.fr [193.51.25.3]) by lucifer.prism.uvsq.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.2) with ESMTP id TAA27093 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:02:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from (hpc@localhost) by gibet.prism.uvsq.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.2) id TAA20134 for java@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:02:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:02:12 +0100 From: Henri-Pierre CHARLES To: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? Message-ID: <19991116190212.A20073@gibet.prism.uvsq.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Joe Yandle write : >I just submitted an RFE to the JDC. The id is 97555; however, it will be >a while before it actually appears on the JDC bug list. Thanks, but I can't find it (with the Id and with FreeBSD keyword), are you sure of the Id ? -- % Henri-Pierre.Charles@prism.uvsq.fr PRiSM, Université de Versailles % Tel: 01 39 25 43 44 45, Av. des États Unis 78000 Versailles % Il reste 3906780 secondes jusqu'au 01/01/2000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Nov 16 10:23:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from sith.wlcg.com (209-9-101-127.sdsl.cais.net [209.9.101.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1579E14DE1 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:23:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@wlcg.com) Received: from localhost (joe@localhost) by sith.wlcg.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id NAA26518; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:25:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sith.wlcg.com: joe owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:25:51 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Yandle To: Henri-Pierre CHARLES Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19991116190212.A20073@gibet.prism.uvsq.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >I just submitted an RFE to the JDC. The id is 97555; however, it will be > >a while before it actually appears on the JDC bug list. > > Thanks, but I can't find it (with the Id and with FreeBSD > keyword), are you sure of the Id ? > That was the submission ID; the bug ID which I was assigned is 4288745. I forwarded the confirmation letter from sun to the list, if anyone wants it email me and I'll send it to you. I've checked the bug list every day since I was given my confirmation, but the bug has yet to show up. For the record: BugID: 4288745 URL: http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/index.html The mail I received said that it would be a few days before it showed up, but this is getting ridiculous. Joe Yandle Internet Programmer Westlake Consulting Group To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Nov 16 14:35:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from msn166-109.med.und.nodak.edu (msn166-109.med.und.NoDak.edu [134.129.166.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD2114C8E for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:35:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bpederson@geocities.com) Received: from accord.med.und.nodak.edu ([134.129.166.13] helo=geocities.com) by msn166-109.med.und.nodak.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11nrCZ-0000BE-00 for java@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:35:51 -0600 Message-ID: <3831DC2D.848D7EE@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:35:25 -0600 From: Barry Pederson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe Yandle wrote: > > I've checked the bug list every day since I was given my confirmation, but > the bug has yet to show up. For the record: > > BugID: 4288745 > URL: http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/index.html > > The mail I received said that it would be a few days before it showed up, > but this is getting ridiculous. Try this: http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4288745.html I got the first three votes! heh..sort of like slashdot I guess :P Anyhow, my old favorite bug: 4093633 doesn't seem to be going anywhere, so I transferred my votes to this one :) Barry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Nov 16 14:41:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from sith.wlcg.com (209-9-101-127.sdsl.cais.net [209.9.101.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B840715129 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:41:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@wlcg.com) Received: from localhost (joe@localhost) by sith.wlcg.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id RAA30062; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:44:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sith.wlcg.com: joe owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:44:19 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Yandle To: Barry Pederson Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <3831DC2D.848D7EE@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Try this: > > http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4288745.html > Great! By the way, the nonsense at the top is there because the bug report asked me to give the output of running java -version. I didn't realize it was going to be put at the top of the description. Ugh. Nate, I really think you should try to get slashdot to list this URL. If we slashdot their server with thousands of votes in one day, I think our chances will be astronomically better. That is, as long as the script kiddies behave. Joe Yandle Internet Programmer Westlake Consulting Group To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Nov 16 14:46:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D0571528F for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:46:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA02676; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:46:47 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:46:47 -0600 (CST) From: Steve Price To: Joe Yandle Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Joe Yandle wrote: # Nate, I really think you should try to get slashdot to list this URL. If # we slashdot their server with thousands of votes in one day, I think our # chances will be astronomically better. That is, as long as the script # kiddies behave. You might also try sending a couple of lines to nik@freebsd.org and see if he will put it on the 'bsd' section at least. -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Nov 16 15: 3:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from schuimpje.snt.utwente.nl (schuimpje.snt.utwente.nl [130.89.238.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38D114D58 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:03:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeroen@vangelderen.org) Received: from vangelderen.org (wit395301.student.utwente.nl [130.89.235.121]) by schuimpje.snt.utwente.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A74286E; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:03:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3831E295.EAF7ABAA@vangelderen.org> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:02:45 +0100 From: "Jeroen C. van Gelderen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Barry Pederson Cc: java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? References: <3831DC2D.848D7EE@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Barry Pederson wrote: > Try this: > > http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4288745.html > > I got the first three votes! heh..sort of like slashdot I guess :P > > Anyhow, my old favorite bug: 4093633 doesn't seem to be going anywhere, > so I transferred my votes to this one :) Top 1 RFE is a request for JDK-for-Linux which gained 4517 votes. The RFE in spot 2 has 751 votes and we should be able to do better than that. All vote please... Cheers, Jeroen -- Jeroen C. van Gelderen - jeroen@vangelderen.org Interesting read: http://www.vcnet.com/bms/ JLF To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Nov 16 15:16: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (ns.mt.sri.com [206.127.79.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165A114D06 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:16:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA08574; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:15:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA05068; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:15:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:15:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199911162315.QAA05068@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Joe Yandle Cc: Barry Pederson , java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: References: <3831DC2D.848D7EE@geocities.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4288745.html > > > > Great! By the way, the nonsense at the top is there because the bug > report asked me to give the output of running java -version. I didn't > realize it was going to be put at the top of the description. Ugh. > > Nate, I really think you should try to get slashdot to list this URL. How would I go about doing that? Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Nov 16 15:18:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (ns.mt.sri.com [206.127.79.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93BAD14E4E for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:18:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA08603; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:18:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA05086; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:18:12 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:18:12 -0700 Message-Id: <199911162318.QAA05086@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Joe Yandle Cc: Barry Pederson , java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: References: <3831DC2D.848D7EE@geocities.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4288745.html Thanks Joe, we're up to 49 votes already. :) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Nov 16 16:28:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from bbcon.com.au (firewall.bbcon.com.au [203.28.19.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140C514BD3 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:28:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jsutton@bbcon.com.au) Received: from firewall.bbcon.com.au (stargate [10.0.0.1]) by bbcon.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA01842; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:28:16 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jsutton@bbcon.com.au) Received: from localhost (jsutton@localhost) by firewall.bbcon.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA02939; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:29:56 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jsutton@bbcon.com.au) X-Authentication-Warning: stargate.home: jsutton owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:29:56 +1100 (EST) From: Joel Sutton X-Sender: jsutton@stargate.home To: Joe Yandle Cc: Barry Pederson , java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [JAVA] Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Joe Yandle wrote: > Nate, I really think you should try to get slashdot to list this URL. > If we slashdot their server with thousands of votes in one day, I > think our chances will be astronomically better. That is, as long as > the script kiddies behave. What about the daily daemon news? Or FreeBSD rocks? I'll see if I can get some of the members of my user group to get in on the act. Cheers, Joel... --- Joel Sutton | Busy Bee Consulting Phone: 0409 426-563 | Melbourne, Australia Email: jsutton@bbcon.com.au | http://www.bbcon.com.au/ VicFUG Webmaster/Acting President | http://www.vicfug.au.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 4:14:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from bluebottle.calcaphon.com (calcaphon.demon.co.uk [193.237.19.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2807E14C09 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 04:13:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@calcaphon.com) Received: from bluebottle.calcaphon.com (bluebottle.calcaphon.com [10.0.0.1]) by bluebottle.calcaphon.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA53009; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:13:27 GMT (envelope-from dfr@calcaphon.com) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:13:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Nate Williams Cc: Joe Yandle , Barry Pederson , java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <199911162318.QAA05086@mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Nate Williams wrote: > > > http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4288745.html > > Thanks Joe, we're up to 49 votes already. :) Make that 341... -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@calcaphon.com Technical Director, Qube Software Ltd. Phone: +44 171 289 4201 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 6:48: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from sith.wlcg.com (209-9-101-127.sdsl.cais.net [209.9.101.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A9A415252 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:47:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@wlcg.com) Received: from localhost (joe@localhost) by sith.wlcg.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id JAA02781; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:50:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sith.wlcg.com: joe owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:50:37 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Yandle To: Nate Williams Cc: Barry Pederson , java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <199911162315.QAA05068@mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Nate Williams wrote: > > > http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4288745.html > > > > > > > Great! By the way, the nonsense at the top is there because the bug > > report asked me to give the output of running java -version. I didn't > > realize it was going to be put at the top of the description. Ugh. > > > > Nate, I really think you should try to get slashdot to list this URL. > > How would I go about doing that? > http://slashdot.org/submit.pl I think our chances of getting listed are much greater if you identify yourself as the head of the FreeBSD-java project. thanks, Joe Yandle Internet Programmer Westlake Consulting Group To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 6:51:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 29F95152BA for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:51:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spades_mcgee@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19991117145149.3346.rocketmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.19.169.70] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:51:49 PST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:51:49 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Reply-To: chris@tourneyland.com Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? To: java@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 391 as of 9:49 EST - and yet it's not showing up in the Top 25 list. Weird - I'd think that list would just be a database query so it would never be behind the times. Guess not, and a darn shame, since it would be #2 and climbing. - Chris --- Doug Rabson wrote: > On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Nate Williams wrote: > > > > > > http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4288745.html > > > > Thanks Joe, we're up to 49 votes already. :) > > Make that 341... > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@calcaphon.com > Technical Director, Qube Software Ltd. Phone: +44 > 171 289 4201 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the > message > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 6:55:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from sith.wlcg.com (209-9-101-127.sdsl.cais.net [209.9.101.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FBF14D28 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:55:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@wlcg.com) Received: from localhost (joe@localhost) by sith.wlcg.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id JAA02839; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:58:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sith.wlcg.com: joe owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:58:19 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Yandle To: chris@tourneyland.com Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19991117145149.3346.rocketmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4288745.html > > 391 as of 9:49 EST - and yet it's not showing up in > the Top 25 list. Weird - I'd think that list would > just be a database query so it would never be behind > the times. Guess not, and a darn shame, since it would > be #2 and climbing. > Look at the bottom of the page: [ This page was updated: 14-Nov-99 ] You'd think they would have a dynmic system in place... Joe Yandle Internet Programmer Westlake Consulting Group To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 6:59:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from sith.wlcg.com (209-9-101-127.sdsl.cais.net [209.9.101.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A0114C9E; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:59:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@wlcg.com) Received: from localhost (joe@localhost) by sith.wlcg.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id KAA02898; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:02:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sith.wlcg.com: joe owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:02:35 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Yandle To: nik@freebsd.org Cc: Steve Price , java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Nik, From what I understand, you have some control over the freebsd section of slashdot. I submitted an RFE to Sun asking for a supported jdk port for freebsd, and we're trying to get as many votes on the Java developer connection as possible. If you can get us some slashdot exposure, I think our chances of getting taken seriously by Sun will be far greater. The URL for the RFE is: http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4288745.html thanks, Joe Yandle Internet Programmer Westlake Consulting Group To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 7:37:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B7F51530D for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:37:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spades_mcgee@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19991117153716.14122.rocketmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.19.169.70] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:37:16 PST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:37:16 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Reply-To: chris@tourneyland.com Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? To: java@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Okay, I can't hold back any longer. What's slashdot? - Chris --- Joe Yandle wrote: > Hi Nik, > > >From what I understand, you have some control over > the freebsd section of > slashdot. I submitted an RFE to Sun asking for a > supported jdk port for > freebsd, and we're trying to get as many votes on > the Java developer > connection as possible. > > If you can get us some slashdot exposure, I think > our chances of getting > taken seriously by Sun will be far greater. > > The URL for the RFE is: > > http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4288745.html > > thanks, > > Joe Yandle > Internet Programmer > Westlake Consulting Group > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the > message > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 7:44:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mail.mediainbox.com (mail.mediainbox.com [206.80.217.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B208514FC3 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:44:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from charvey@mediainbox.com) Received: (qmail 30680 invoked by uid 500); 17 Nov 1999 16:00:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:00:25 -0700 (MST) From: To: chris@tourneyland.com Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19991117153716.14122.rocketmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Slashdot is news for nerds... Check it out at http://www.slashdot.org FYI, I've posted a message to Javalobby (http://www.javalobby.org) as well. Hopefully, it'll make it past the editors and onto their message board. On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Chris wrote: > Okay, I can't hold back any longer. > > What's slashdot? > > - Chris > > > > --- Joe Yandle wrote: > > Hi Nik, > > > > >From what I understand, you have some control over > > the freebsd section of > > slashdot. I submitted an RFE to Sun asking for a > > supported jdk port for > > freebsd, and we're trying to get as many votes on > > the Java developer > > connection as possible. > > > > If you can get us some slashdot exposure, I think > > our chances of getting > > taken seriously by Sun will be far greater. > > > > The URL for the RFE is: > > > > > http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4288745.html > > > > thanks, > > > > Joe Yandle > > Internet Programmer > > Westlake Consulting Group > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the > > message > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 7:49:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from sith.wlcg.com (209-9-101-127.sdsl.cais.net [209.9.101.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7EB152BA for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:49:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@wlcg.com) Received: from localhost (joe@localhost) by sith.wlcg.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id KAA03277; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:52:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sith.wlcg.com: joe owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:52:32 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Yandle To: chris@tourneyland.com Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19991117153716.14122.rocketmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Okay, I can't hold back any longer. > > What's slashdot? > Ack! You uncultured heathen! Slashdot is a news portal that describes itself as 'News for Nerds. Stuff that matters.' Kind of like Wired, but without the pretensions. It's most commonly known for the so called 'Slashdot effect', which occurs when a site is listed on Slashdot. Since slashdot gets about half a million hits a day, any site which is listed on slashdot gets a massive beating as all the slashdot users visit. The frequent consequence of this is server death for the unfortunate site. It's also commonly known for its bias towards free operating systems, sometimes to the point of snobbery. Thus, is we got an article on slashdot requesting people to vote for the freebsd port, we'd very likely get tens of thousands of votes in a single day. Joe Yandle Internet Programmer Westlake Consulting Group To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 9:44: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from web902.mail.yahoo.com (web902.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C483814D90 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:43:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spades_mcgee@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19991117174336.3896.rocketmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.19.169.70] by web902.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:43:36 PST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:43:36 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Reply-To: chris@tourneyland.com Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? To: java@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --- charvey@mediainbox.com wrote: > Slashdot is news for nerds... > > Check it out at http://www.slashdot.org Thank you Thank you!(And thanks to Joe too.) News for Nerds, ay? The good news is that I'd never heard of it; the bad news is I just checked it out and find it exciting. I don't care HOW in it's supposed to be to be a nerd, it's still hard to accept. Is FreeBSD not generally covered by slashdot? If not, I guess that's about to change, and kudos for whoever's good idea it was to get cozy with them (and the same goes for whoever suggested the bug report). How exciting! Chris ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 9:48:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from sith.wlcg.com (209-9-101-127.sdsl.cais.net [209.9.101.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929AE14A15 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:47:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@wlcg.com) Received: from localhost (joe@localhost) by sith.wlcg.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id MAA04393; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:50:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sith.wlcg.com: joe owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:50:33 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Yandle To: chris@tourneyland.com Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19991117174336.3896.rocketmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Is FreeBSD not generally covered by slashdot? If not, > I guess that's about to change, and kudos for > whoever's good idea it was to get cozy with them (and > the same goes for whoever suggested the bug report). > There is a *BSD section: http://slashdot.org/index.pl?section=bsd However, the slant is usually more towards Linux, sometimes at the expense of the *BSDs. Joe Yandle Internet Programmer Westlake Consulting Group To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 9:55:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (ns.mt.sri.com [206.127.79.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A84F1537D for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:55:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA17724; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:55:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA08914; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:54:59 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:54:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199911171754.KAA08914@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: chris@tourneyland.com Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19991117174336.3896.rocketmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> References: <19991117174336.3896.rocketmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Is FreeBSD not generally covered by slashdot? If not, > I guess that's about to change, and kudos for > whoever's good idea it was to get cozy with them (and > the same goes for whoever suggested the bug report). Working on my submission now... Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 10:17:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (ns.mt.sri.com [206.127.79.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61DAB14F8B for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:17:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA17926; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:17:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA09030; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:17:49 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:17:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199911171817.LAA09030@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Joe Yandle Cc: chris@tourneyland.com, java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Slashdot posting (was Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD?) In-Reply-To: References: <19991117174336.3896.rocketmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, Here's what I posted to slashdot. It's weak, but it's the best I could do on short notice. :) Nate ps. I don't like my title given that I don't consider myself the head of the team, but I guess it lends more credibility to the posting. :( ------------- As head of the current FreeBSD/JDK porting development team (http://www.freebsd.org/java), it's been difficult to finish our JDK2 efforts due to lack of help from Sun. In order to try and make JDK2 on FreeBSD a reality, we are lobbying Sun using a RFE (Request For Enhancement) on the Java Developer network to demonstrate to them the number of people interested in seeing FreeBSD as a supported Java platform.

Please click on the following URL, and add your votes to compel Sun into allocating resources towards getting a native FreeBSD port of JDK2 (and JDK3, etc...) finished.

http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4288745.html 

(Note, voting requires that you be registed on the Java Developer
Connection, which is free.)

This is good for open-source operating systems, and Java in general since FreeBSD is a great server platform used by many of the major internet portal sites (Yahoo, Hotmail), and would allow FreeBSD to compete as a Java server platform directly with less 'open' systems such as WinNT.

Thanks!

Nate Williams - Head of FreeBSD/Java development project. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 10:21:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (ns.mt.sri.com [206.127.79.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246C715317 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:21:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA17984; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:21:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA09100; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:21:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:21:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199911171821.LAA09100@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Doug Rabson Cc: java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: References: <199911162318.QAA05086@mt.sri.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson writes: > On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Nate Williams wrote: > > > > > http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4288745.html > > > > Thanks Joe, we're up to 49 votes already. :) > > Make that 341... We're up to 460 now, and moving up fast. Thanks everyone! Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 10:21:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from sith.wlcg.com (209-9-101-127.sdsl.cais.net [209.9.101.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086BA1532E for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:21:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@wlcg.com) Received: from localhost (joe@localhost) by sith.wlcg.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id NAA04758; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:23:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sith.wlcg.com: joe owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:23:54 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Yandle To: Nate Williams Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slashdot posting (was Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD?) In-Reply-To: <199911171817.LAA09030@mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks Nate. I went ahead and posted a few hours ago, but given your 'status', they're more likely to post yours than mine. Joe Yandle Internet Programmer Westlake Consulting Group To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 10:31:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from isis.uniandes.edu.co (isis.uniandes.edu.co [157.253.54.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3889C1523C for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:30:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ser-garc@uniandes.edu.co) Received: from isis (isis [157.253.54.5]) by isis.uniandes.edu.co (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA00465 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:27:47 -0500 (GMT+5) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:27:47 -0500 (GMT+5) From: SeRgIo ArTuRo GaRcIa X-Sender: ser-garc@isis To: java@freebsd.org Subject: RFE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I posted it on JavaLobby (www.javalobby.org) I hope that will get some new votes :) Sergio Arturo Garcia "That is not dead which ser-garc@uniandes.edu.co can eternal lie, http://www.calabozo.com/sergio Yet with strange aeons, ***************************** even Death may die." A.A. 18269 Santafe de Bogota, COLOMBIA Howard P. Lovecraft To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 10:37:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from cbl-skelly3.hs.earthlink.net (CBL-skelly3.hs.earthlink.net [209.178.114.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE1E15433 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:37:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kelly@ad1440.net) Received: from ad1440.net (uta003594.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.211.36]) by cbl-skelly3.hs.earthlink.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA77788 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:37:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kelly@ad1440.net) Message-ID: <3832F648.3CE7E15C@ad1440.net> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:39:04 -0800 From: Sean Kelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? References: <199911162318.QAA05086@mt.sri.com> <199911171821.LAA09100@mt.sri.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nate Williams wrote: > We're up to 460 now, and moving up fast. And I've just figured this out (duh) ... you can use your three vote slots all on the same bug/RFE. Each individual can show three times the support for Java on FreeBSD! :-) Who was it that said "vote early and vote often"? --Sean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 10:42:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8078B14F4A for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:42:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spades_mcgee@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19991117184245.26384.rocketmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.19.169.70] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:42:45 PST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:42:45 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Reply-To: chris@tourneyland.com Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? To: java@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org By the way, are the other @freebsd.org lists on board with this? If not, they would certainly help the numbers. - C ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 10:45: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from sith.wlcg.com (209-9-101-127.sdsl.cais.net [209.9.101.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38B714F68 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:44:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@wlcg.com) Received: from localhost (joe@localhost) by sith.wlcg.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id NAA04994; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:47:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sith.wlcg.com: joe owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:47:46 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Yandle To: chris@tourneyland.com Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19991117184245.26384.rocketmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > By the way, are the other @freebsd.org lists on board > with this? If not, they would certainly help the > numbers. > Or we might get severly flamed for being offtopic... Joe Yandle Internet Programmer Westlake Consulting Group To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 10:55:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (ns.mt.sri.com [206.127.79.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EACB14F8B for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:55:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA18372; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:55:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA09477; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:55:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:55:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199911171855.LAA09477@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: chris@tourneyland.com Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19991117184245.26384.rocketmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> References: <19991117184245.26384.rocketmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > By the way, are the other @freebsd.org lists on board > with this? If not, they would certainly help the > numbers. My feeling is that anyone interested in FreeBSD/Java should be on this list... Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 11:11:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D368C14C31 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:11:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spades_mcgee@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19991117191142.4078.rocketmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.19.169.66] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:11:42 PST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:11:42 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Reply-To: chris@tourneyland.com Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? To: java@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Or we might get severly flamed for being offtopic... On questions, sure. But on advocacy and isp? Actually, I'd think the people on questions would be interested in helping Sun support Java on FreeBSD, even if they aren't active in Java and aren't on the Java list. Would a "Sorry if this is off-topic, but we're trying to get Sun to be more supportive in porting Java to FreeBSD . . ." posting really anger anyone? But I'll leave that up to you guys. Just an idea. - Chris ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 11:22:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from moe.nycrc.net (gabriel.nycrc.net [209.73.202.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 59DCB1534E for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:22:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@nycrc.net) Received: (qmail 32783 invoked by uid 1001); 17 Nov 1999 19:22:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:22:26 -0500 From: Vince Gonzalez To: Nate Williams Cc: chris@tourneyland.com, java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? Message-ID: <19991117142226.A32765@moe.nycrc.net> References: <19991117184245.26384.rocketmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> <199911171855.LAA09477@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199911171855.LAA09477@mt.sri.com>; from Nate Williams on Wed, Nov 17, 1999 at 11:55:23AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 17, 1999 at 11:55:23AM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: > > By the way, are the other @freebsd.org lists on board > > with this? If not, they would certainly help the > > numbers. > > My feeling is that anyone interested in FreeBSD/Java should be on this > list... Though the folks on advocacy@ might be happy to help the cause. --vince To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 11:28: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from sith.wlcg.com (209-9-101-127.sdsl.cais.net [209.9.101.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED7014A24 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:28:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@wlcg.com) Received: from localhost (joe@localhost) by sith.wlcg.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id OAA05415; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:30:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sith.wlcg.com: joe owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:30:54 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Yandle To: chris@tourneyland.com Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19991117191142.4078.rocketmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Or we might get severly flamed for being offtopic... > > On questions, sure. But on advocacy and isp? Actually, > I'd think the people on questions would be interested > in helping Sun support Java on FreeBSD, even if they > aren't active in Java and aren't on the Java list. Now that I think about it, you're right, we'd probably be okay on advocacy and isp. > Would a "Sorry if this is off-topic, but we're trying > to get Sun to be more supportive in porting Java to > FreeBSD . . ." posting really anger anyone? > If anyone here is on one of those lists, I say go ahead and post. I'm not sure about the setup, but majordomo will probably bounce any posts that don't come from list members. Joe Yandle Internet Programmer Westlake Consulting Group To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 12:59:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76E014D84; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:59:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA42470; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:58:10 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:58:10 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Joe Yandle Cc: nik@freebsd.org, Steve Price , java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? Message-ID: <19991117205809.A39532@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Joe Yandle on Wed, Nov 17, 1999 at 10:02:35AM -0500 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 17, 1999 at 10:02:35AM -0500, Joe Yandle wrote: > Hi Nik, > > >From what I understand, you have some control over the freebsd section of > slashdot. I submitted an RFE to Sun asking for a supported jdk port for > freebsd, and we're trying to get as many votes on the Java developer > connection as possible. > > If you can get us some slashdot exposure, I think our chances of getting > taken seriously by Sun will be far greater. > > The URL for the RFE is: > > http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4288745.html This requires registration. Is there a non-registration-required section I can point people at? If not, I can pretty much guarantee that within the first 10 posts someone will say "OK, use and to access this", which might be counter-productive if it annoys Sun. Either way I can run the story, I just wanted to check back with you first. N -- If you want to imagine the future, imagine a tennis shoe stamping on a penguin's face forever. --- with apologies to George Orwell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 13: 2:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from sith.wlcg.com (209-9-101-127.sdsl.cais.net [209.9.101.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77D814C09; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:02:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@wlcg.com) Received: from localhost (joe@localhost) by sith.wlcg.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id QAA06621; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:05:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sith.wlcg.com: joe owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:05:44 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Yandle To: Nik Clayton Cc: Steve Price , java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19991117205809.A39532@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > The URL for the RFE is: > > > > http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4288745.html > > This requires registration. Is there a non-registration-required section > I can point people at? > No, registration is required. > If not, I can pretty much guarantee that within the first 10 posts someone > will say "OK, use and to access this", which might > be counter-productive if it annoys Sun. > Each registration allows you to have only three votes, so if someone were to post this it wouldn't help anyone. Anyone who wanted to vote would have to register themselves. Of course, Sun might get suspicious when they see a lot of registrations with the username 'asdf123' ;) > Either way I can run the story, I just wanted to check back with you first. > thanks Nik, Joe Yandle Internet Programmer Westlake Consulting Group To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 13:13:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (ns.mt.sri.com [206.127.79.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC1014F41; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:13:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA19690; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:13:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA10454; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:13:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:13:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199911172113.OAA10454@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Nik Clayton Cc: Joe Yandle , Steve Price , java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19991117205809.A39532@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <19991117205809.A39532@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > >From what I understand, you have some control over the freebsd section of > > slashdot. I submitted an RFE to Sun asking for a supported jdk port for > > freebsd, and we're trying to get as many votes on the Java developer > > connection as possible. > > > > If you can get us some slashdot exposure, I think our chances of getting > > taken seriously by Sun will be far greater. > > > > The URL for the RFE is: > > > > http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4288745.html > > This requires registration. Is there a non-registration-required section > I can point people at? Nope. Sun is trying to use this to avoid the thing we're doing. :) > If not, I can pretty much guarantee that within the first 10 posts someone > will say "OK, use and to access this", which might > be counter-productive if it annoys Sun. Every use has three votes. If someone re-uses a username, they'll still only be using 3 votes total. The users must register themselves in order to have their votes count.... Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 13:55:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43646156C4; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:55:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22285; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:55:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:55:00 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: Joe Yandle Cc: Nik Clayton , Steve Price , java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Joe Yandle wrote: > > > > > > The URL for the RFE is: > > > > > > http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4288745.html > > > > This requires registration. Is there a non-registration-required section > > I can point people at? > > > > No, registration is required. > > > If not, I can pretty much guarantee that within the first 10 posts someone > > will say "OK, use and to access this", which might > > be counter-productive if it annoys Sun. > > > > Each registration allows you to have only three votes, so if someone were > to post this it wouldn't help anyone. Anyone who wanted to vote would > have to register themselves. > > Of course, Sun might get suspicious when they see a lot of registrations > with the username 'asdf123' ;) Impossible. Sun enforces unique usernames, the entire subject was a reasonable thing to ask, but absolutely not a worry. Besides, with all the Java resources available at Sun for the free regustration, not registering is indefensible. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include C programming, Electronics, 213 Lakeside Dr. Apt. T-1 | communications, and signal processing. Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD-current(i386) and (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD-current(Alpha) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 14: 3:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from sith.wlcg.com (209-9-101-127.sdsl.cais.net [209.9.101.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61BA514E07; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:03:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@wlcg.com) Received: from localhost (joe@localhost) by sith.wlcg.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id RAA07181; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:06:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sith.wlcg.com: joe owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:06:24 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Yandle To: Chuck Robey Cc: Nik Clayton , Steve Price , java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Impossible. Sun enforces unique usernames, the entire subject was a > reasonable thing to ask, but absolutely not a worry. I didn't mean that everyone would register using 'asdf123' as their username. I was saying that when people have to register for something that they don't plan on ever using again, they generally type 'asdf'. Since usernames have to be unique on any real system, the system will respond with something like "We're sorry, but username 'asdf' is already taken. However, 'asdf109' is still available". The 109 comes from the fact that asdf[0-108] are already taken by other lazy people who didn't feel like having a real username. So when a sysadmin sees a lot of these usernames, it's a sign that people aren't taking things seriously. This could lead to Sun ignoring the multitude of votes that are liklely to result from a slashdot effect. Of course, they might not check or care. Joe Yandle Internet Programmer Westlake Consulting Group To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 17 14:46:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from csmd2.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (csmd2.CS.Uni-Magdeburg.De [141.44.22.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1E514A1D for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:46:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jesse@mail.CS.Uni-Magdeburg.De) Received: from quitte.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (quitte-atm [141.44.30.41]) by csmd2.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA18591 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:45:58 +0100 (MET) Received: (from jesse@localhost) by quitte.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id XAA17823; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:45:50 +0100 (MET) To: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? References: From: Roland Jesse In-Reply-To: Joe Yandle's message of "Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:06:24 -0500 (EST)" Date: 17 Nov 1999 23:45:49 +0100 Message-ID: <0v903w7n4y.fsf@cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe Yandle writes: > So when a sysadmin sees a lot of these usernames, it's a sign that people > aren't taking things seriously. Not necessarily. Whenever my prefered user name is already taken, I try whether or not appending 42 or 314 helps out. Not that these are numbers taken out of mind laziness, though. :) Roland To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Nov 18 5:56:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D9A1513B for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 05:56:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA42540; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:56:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Message-Id: <199911181356.IAA42540@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:56:02 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Joe Yandle Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 17-Nov-99 Joe Yandle wrote: >> > http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4288745.html >> >> 391 as of 9:49 EST - and yet it's not showing up in >> the Top 25 list. Weird - I'd think that list would >> just be a database query so it would never be behind >> the times. Guess not, and a darn shame, since it would >> be #2 and climbing. >> > > Look at the bottom of the page: > > [ This page was updated: 14-Nov-99 ] > > You'd think they would have a dynmic system in place... I get a broken link trying to view the Top 25 Bugs/RFE's. BTW, we are up to 771 votes now. Hopefully the -advocacy list can get us up to 1000. > Joe Yandle > Internet Programmer > Westlake Consulting Group --- John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Nov 18 7:39:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from sith.wlcg.com (209-9-101-127.sdsl.cais.net [209.9.101.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C4315120 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 07:39:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@wlcg.com) Received: from localhost (joe@localhost) by sith.wlcg.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id KAA31775; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:42:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sith.wlcg.com: joe owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:42:35 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Yandle To: John Baldwin Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of JDK for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <199911181356.IAA42540@server.baldwin.cx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I get a broken link trying to view the Top 25 Bugs/RFE's. BTW, we are > up to 771 votes now. Hopefully the -advocacy list can get us up to > 1000. > Speaking of advocacy, did anyone ever get around to posting to advocacy and isp? I noticed that we got listed on announce, in addition to our slashdot listing this morning (thanks Nate!). Joe Yandle Internet Programmer Westlake Consulting Group To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Nov 18 9: 1:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from sith.wlcg.com (209-9-101-127.sdsl.cais.net [209.9.101.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF16315469 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:01:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@wlcg.com) Received: from localhost (joe@localhost) by sith.wlcg.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id MAA01491 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:04:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sith.wlcg.com: joe owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:04:39 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Yandle To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: GUI toolkit Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In all the excitement of the past few days (we're over 1000, congrats everyone!), I never got around to asking a question that's been nagging me for some time. Why do the unix jdk releases invariably use Motif as their GUI toolkit? Apart from the fact that it's the oldest toolkit around, I see very little to recommend it. When I first began writing Linux GUI apps a few years ago, I used Motif for this reason. However, I was never satisfied with their appearance; Motif just isn't an attractive toolkit. I looked around, and eventually settled on GTK+. It's good looking and has a liberal license (LGPL, which is basically the GPL without the viral clauses, so you can link it with proprietary code). I guess this question is mostly posed towards Nate, but everyone else feel free to respond. Why don't we consider changing the widget set? Is it a matter of keeping source compatibility with other UNIX JDKs? Is it familiarity with Motif? Maybe it's just a desire to keep from having to rewrite all the widget code? curious, Joe Yandle Internet Programmer Westlake Consulting Group To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Nov 18 9:21:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from faust27-s.rz.uni-frankfurt.de (faust27-s.rz.uni-frankfurt.de [141.2.149.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A9A715120 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:21:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from buchmann@stud.uni-frankfurt.de) Received: from hendrix.inet.de (actually NAFp2-024.rz.uni-frankfurt.de) by faust27-eth.rz.uni-frankfurt.de with Local SMTP (PP); Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:20:53 +0000 Received: (from buchmann@localhost) by hendrix.inet.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01114 for freebsd-java@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:21:57 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:21:57 +0100 From: Jan Buchmann To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: freebsd thread-question Message-ID: <19991118182157.A1059@hendrix.inet.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello to all freebsd java users, first: the good news: the RFE reached 1000 votes :-). second: some some questions about porting java to freebsd (I don't really know to much about differences between different OSs, but I'll just ask my questions from what I've heard.): 1. Shouldn't it be easier for SUN or another party to port the original Solaris JDK to FreeBSD systems) cause both OSs derive from the original BSD and FreeBSD is not a completly new implementation of *nix, like Linux is? 2. Does FreeBSD have a kernel-thread implementation, so that a port can use native-threads? 3. Is it possible to use Linux JDK1.2 under FreeBSD with native-threads? 4. Does anyone know if IBM wants to do a JDK-Port to FreeBSD (their Linux-JDK is pure native threads)? 5. What are the main differences between Solaris, AIX and FreeBSD under the view of porting or implementing JDK1.2? I don't know if this system-specific questions are right in this list, but i ask anyway :-). I really appreciate the work of the Porting Team, and the company I work for is using it for production use. Thanks Nate and all the others and I hope you can answer some of my questions. Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Nov 18 9:24:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (ns.mt.sri.com [206.127.79.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34C615433 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:24:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA00254; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:24:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA15765; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:24:46 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:24:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199911181724.KAA15765@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Joe Yandle Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: GUI toolkit In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > In all the excitement of the past few days (we're over 1000, congrats > everyone!), I never got around to asking a question that's been nagging me > for some time. Why do the unix jdk releases invariably use Motif as their > GUI toolkit? Apart from the fact that it's the oldest toolkit around, I > see very little to recommend it. Because the source is written to use Motif, since that was the only stable fairly bug-free available on Unix when JDK1.0 was released. One can argue that this is still the case. :( Sun also *owns* the rights to Motif, so they can use it for no cost, and CDE *is* Sun's platform, which requires a Motif look-and-feel, and CDE uses that format because of the same reasons stated above IMO. > When I first began writing Linux GUI apps a few years ago, I used Motif > for this reason. However, I was never satisfied with their appearance; > Motif just isn't an attractive toolkit. I looked around, and eventually > settled on GTK+. It's good looking and has a liberal license (LGPL, which > is basically the GPL without the viral clauses, so you can link it with > proprietary code). That wouldn't work for Sun, which *needs* to be able to use something it has complete access to. Of note, they modified the Motif source code on the most recent releases to fix bugs in the JDK. Unfortunately, we have no access to those changes, so we're missing out on those fixes, but on Solaris those fixes are now present since Sun ships their own 'modified' Motif shlib. > I guess this question is mostly posed towards Nate, but everyone else > feel free to respond. Why don't we consider changing the widget set? Is > it a matter of keeping source compatibility with other UNIX JDKs? Is it > familiarity with Motif? Maybe it's just a desire to keep from having to > rewrite all the widget code? The latter more than anything else, simply because when the 'baseline' code uses Motif, any time you diverge from it you lose all semblance of being able to track what happens w/regard to new features and such as patched versions are released. Doing a non-Motif AWT is *very much* non-trivial. None of the other JVM's have gotten it right right (Kaffe, etc..), although they are close. It's a hard problem, and given we can't even get the stock stuff working right in JDK2, I don't see us even starting to have a solution if we didn't use Motif... Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Nov 18 9:31:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (ns.mt.sri.com [206.127.79.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B938515120 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:31:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA00334; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:31:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA15817; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:31:38 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:31:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199911181731.KAA15817@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Jan Buchmann Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd thread-question In-Reply-To: <19991118182157.A1059@hendrix.inet.de> References: <19991118182157.A1059@hendrix.inet.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > first: the good news: the RFE reached 1000 votes :-). Thanks to everyone who voted on the RFE, and especially to Joe who actually submitted the request. I'm not sure what effect (if any) it will have on Sun, but at least at this point they see that there is a vibrant FreeBSD user community, which may make other queries easier.. > second: some some questions about porting java to freebsd (I don't > really know to much about differences between different OSs, but I'll > just ask my questions from what I've heard.): > > 1. Shouldn't it be easier for SUN or another party to port the > original Solaris JDK to FreeBSD systems) cause both OSs derive from > the original BSD and FreeBSD is not a completly new implementation of > *nix, like Linux is? Nope. Actually, it's easier to take the Linux changes and apply them, since we both use XFree86. Solaris is based on SVR4, not BSD code, so actually the Linux code-base actually is a better start. Solaris is really it's own beast. > 2. Does FreeBSD have a kernel-thread implementation, so that a port > can use native-threads? How, but for most things, native-threads aren't a big win, and can often be a big lose because context switching in the kernel is *much* more costly, so most multi-threaded programs run much faster using userland code. > 3. Is it possible to use Linux JDK1.2 under FreeBSD with native-threads? Maybe, I don't know. > 4. Does anyone know if IBM wants to do a JDK-Port to FreeBSD (their > Linux-JDK is pure native threads)? We don't have native threads, so it would be hard. > 5. What are the main differences between Solaris, AIX and FreeBSD > under the view of porting or implementing JDK1.2? I have no idea about AIX, but the difficulty is usually related to XFree86 (fonts and such), using select instead of poll, and the lack of threaded libraries on FreeBSD. This is a somewhat trivial lilst, as there are lots more things to do, but those are some big ones. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Nov 18 9:45:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from faust27-s.rz.uni-frankfurt.de (faust27-s.rz.uni-frankfurt.de [141.2.149.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 69E3815477 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:45:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from buchmann@stud.uni-frankfurt.de) Received: from hendrix.inet.de (actually NAFp2-236.rz.uni-frankfurt.de) by faust27-eth.rz.uni-frankfurt.de with Local SMTP (PP); Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:45:35 +0000 Received: (from buchmann@localhost) by hendrix.inet.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01274 for freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:46:36 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:46:36 +0100 From: Jan Buchmann To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd thread-question Message-ID: <19991118184636.B1059@hendrix.inet.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19991118182157.A1059@hendrix.inet.de> <199911181731.KAA15817@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <199911181731.KAA15817@mt.sri.com>; from nate@mt.sri.com on Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 10:31:38AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for the quick clarification Nate, Do you know if there are plans to make more features like kernel-threadsi, threaded libraries or a solution to the select-poll issue available in next releases of FreeBSD (I don't know anything about 4.0). Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Nov 18 10:13:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (ns.mt.sri.com [206.127.79.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42FC15496 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:12:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA00775; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:12:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA16108; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:12:57 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:12:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199911181812.LAA16108@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Jan Buchmann Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd thread-question In-Reply-To: <19991118184636.B1059@hendrix.inet.de> References: <19991118182157.A1059@hendrix.inet.de> <199911181731.KAA15817@mt.sri.com> <19991118184636.B1059@hendrix.inet.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Do you know if there are plans to make more features like > kernel-threads There is work within the FreeBSD/JDK team to have some sort of kernel threads work. > threaded libraries or a solution to the select-poll > issue available in next releases of FreeBSD (I don't know anything > about 4.0). The select-poll stuff has been done. What's holding up the JDK1.2 port at this time is trying to get it linked with Motif in a legally distributable way. So far I haven't been able to overcome the technical and legal hurdles.... I can do one or the other, but not both. :( Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Nov 18 10:26:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from poboxer.pobox.com (ferg5200-2-111.cpinternet.com [208.149.16.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF9714D82 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:26:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alk@poboxer.pobox.com) Received: (from alk@localhost) by poboxer.pobox.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA39157; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:25:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from alk) From: Anthony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:25:58 -0600 (CST) X-Face: \h9Jg:Cuivl4S*UP-)gO.6O=T]]@ncM*tn4zG);)lk#4|lqEx=*talx?.Gk,dMQU2)ptPC17cpBzm(l'M|H8BUF1&]dDCxZ.c~Wy6-j,^V1E(NtX$FpkkdnJixsJHE95JlhO 5\M3jh'YiO7KPCn0~W`Ro44_TB@&JuuqRqgPL'0/{):7rU-%.*@/>q?1&Ed Reply-To: alk@pobox.com To: nate@mt.sri.com Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd thread-question References: <19991118182157.A1059@hendrix.inet.de> <199911181731.KAA15817@mt.sri.com> <19991118184636.B1059@hendrix.inet.de> <199911181812.LAA16108@mt.sri.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14388.17489.519655.157704@avalon.east> Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoth Nate Williams on Thu, 18 November: : : The select-poll stuff has been done. What's holding up the JDK1.2 port : at this time is trying to get it linked with Motif in a legally : distributable way. So far I haven't been able to overcome the technical : and legal hurdles.... I can do one or the other, but not both. :( : Personally, I would be overjoyed by a Lesstif version. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Nov 18 10:30:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from sith.wlcg.com (209-9-101-127.sdsl.cais.net [209.9.101.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA47C15496 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:30:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@wlcg.com) Received: from localhost (joe@localhost) by sith.wlcg.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id NAA03673; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:33:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sith.wlcg.com: joe owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:33:15 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Yandle To: Anthony Kimball Cc: nate@mt.sri.com, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd thread-question In-Reply-To: <14388.17489.519655.157704@avalon.east> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Personally, I would be overjoyed by a Lesstif version. > I hadn't thought about that. Since Lesstif is LGPL, you could legally distribute it dynamically linked. Wasn't it the static linking of Motif that's holding things up now? Joe Yandle Internet Programmer Westlake Consulting Group To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Nov 18 11:28: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (ns.mt.sri.com [206.127.79.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886F214D10 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:27:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA01520; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:27:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA16545; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:27:49 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:27:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199911181927.MAA16545@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Joe Yandle Cc: Anthony Kimball , nate@mt.sri.com, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd thread-question In-Reply-To: References: <14388.17489.519655.157704@avalon.east> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Personally, I would be overjoyed by a Lesstif version. > > I hadn't thought about that. Since Lesstif is LGPL, you could legally > distribute it dynamically linked. Wasn't it the static linking of Motif > that's holding things up now? I have 'legal' issues with LessTif. I'm concerned about the legality of the LessTif source code (how it was obtained), and I don't want to involve SRI, myself, or FreeBSD in any potential problems. Call me paranoid, but I'm just not willing to distribute a binary version linked against Lesstif, or distribute with a Lesstif library. Plus the fact that the Lesstif version works very poorly and requiere hacks to the JDK sources that I'm no longer aware of makes it a non-choice in my mind. :( Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Nov 18 11:47:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from poboxer.pobox.com (ferg5200-2-111.cpinternet.com [208.149.16.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7177D150ED for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:47:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alk@poboxer.pobox.com) Received: (from alk@localhost) by poboxer.pobox.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA39521; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:47:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from alk) From: Anthony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:47:10 -0600 (CST) X-Face: \h9Jg:Cuivl4S*UP-)gO.6O=T]]@ncM*tn4zG);)lk#4|lqEx=*talx?.Gk,dMQU2)ptPC17cpBzm(l'M|H8BUF1&]dDCxZ.c~Wy6-j,^V1E(NtX$FpkkdnJixsJHE95JlhO 5\M3jh'YiO7KPCn0~W`Ro44_TB@&JuuqRqgPL'0/{):7rU-%.*@/>q?1&Ed Reply-To: alk@pobox.com To: nate@mt.sri.com Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd thread-question References: <14388.17489.519655.157704@avalon.east> <199911181927.MAA16545@mt.sri.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14388.22355.400948.4942@avalon.east> Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Howzabout a dynamically linked version? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Nov 18 11:49:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (ns.mt.sri.com [206.127.79.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A97E15526 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:49:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA01767; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:49:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA16763; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:49:30 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:49:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199911181949.MAA16763@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: alk@pobox.com Cc: nate@mt.sri.com, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd thread-question In-Reply-To: <14388.22355.400948.4942@avalon.east> References: <14388.17489.519655.157704@avalon.east> <199911181927.MAA16545@mt.sri.com> <14388.22355.400948.4942@avalon.east> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Howzabout a dynamically linked version? It wouldn't work 'out-of-the-box', since I can't distribute (legally) Motif, and I won't distribute it with LessTif. I don't consider this acceptable... Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Nov 18 11:55: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (ns.mt.sri.com [206.127.79.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3793915487 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:54:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA01829 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:54:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA16830; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:54:43 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:54:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199911181954.MAA16830@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Needed: Requirement for JDK1.2.2 release X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rather than stating all the things that won't help the process along, let me mention somethign that will help the process. If *someone* has access to a 'robust' copy of Motif 1.2 source that builds under FreeBSD (note, the stock code blows chunks all over, so that won't work), *AND* they are willing to provide me a libXm.a that is compiled -fpic (*not* libXm.so) for FreeBSD 3.X/ELF, then we could have a FreeBSD JDK1.2 for ELF. FreeBSD 2.2 will take a bit more work. I have a number of Motif licenses, and can provide them to the person to verify that I can legally use the library if the provider is concerned. With a copy of said library in place, I can legally link in the Motif library into one of the JDK shared libraries, and with some linker hackers, make sure that this library is 'legal' to distribute. This would allow me to use Motif (legally), and would hopefully overcome the technical problems I've had in trying to make a working JDK1.2.2. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Nov 18 12:15:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from poboxer.pobox.com (ferg5200-2-111.cpinternet.com [208.149.16.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89BE314E12 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:15:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alk@poboxer.pobox.com) Received: (from alk@localhost) by poboxer.pobox.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA39633; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:14:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from alk) From: Anthony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:14:51 -0600 (CST) X-Face: \h9Jg:Cuivl4S*UP-)gO.6O=T]]@ncM*tn4zG);)lk#4|lqEx=*talx?.Gk,dMQU2)ptPC17cpBzm(l'M|H8BUF1&]dDCxZ.c~Wy6-j,^V1E(NtX$FpkkdnJixsJHE95JlhO 5\M3jh'YiO7KPCn0~W`Ro44_TB@&JuuqRqgPL'0/{):7rU-%.*@/>q?1&Ed Reply-To: alk@pobox.com To: nate@mt.sri.com Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd thread-question References: <14388.17489.519655.157704@avalon.east> <199911181927.MAA16545@mt.sri.com> <14388.22355.400948.4942@avalon.east> <199911181949.MAA16763@mt.sri.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14388.24034.946364.679292@avalon.east> Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoth Nate Williams on Thu, 18 November: : > Howzabout a dynamically linked version? : : It wouldn't work 'out-of-the-box', since I can't distribute (legally) : Motif, and I won't distribute it with LessTif. : : I don't consider this acceptable... : It's not good for everybody, but it's certainly good for everyone who has motif (and *might* just be good for some who have lesstif). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Nov 18 12:21:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (ns.mt.sri.com [206.127.79.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF94150B2 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:21:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA02113; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:21:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA17073; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:21:45 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:21:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199911182021.NAA17073@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: alk@pobox.com Cc: nate@mt.sri.com, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd thread-question In-Reply-To: <14388.24034.946364.679292@avalon.east> References: <14388.17489.519655.157704@avalon.east> <199911181927.MAA16545@mt.sri.com> <14388.22355.400948.4942@avalon.east> <199911181949.MAA16763@mt.sri.com> <14388.24034.946364.679292@avalon.east> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > : > Howzabout a dynamically linked version? > : > : It wouldn't work 'out-of-the-box', since I can't distribute (legally) > : Motif, and I won't distribute it with LessTif. > : > : I don't consider this acceptable... > : > > It's not good for everybody, but it's certainly good for everyone > who has motif (and *might* just be good for some who have lesstif). Call me old-fashioned, but unless it's helpful to everyone, or at least a large number of folks, I have very little motivation to help a 'select' few. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message