From owner-freebsd-fs Mon Jun 18 8:14:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from brunel.uk1.vbc.net (brunel.uk1.vbc.net [194.207.2.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0E537B401 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:14:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lloyd@vbc.net) Received: from localhost (lloyd@localhost) by brunel.uk1.vbc.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5IFENR99581 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:14:27 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: brunel.uk1.vbc.net: lloyd owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:14:23 +0100 (BST) From: Lloyd Rennie X-Sender: lloyd@brunel.uk1.vbc.net To: fs@freebsd.org Subject: fsck query Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When I learnt to use fsck, it was under linux. There, it had a switch to force it to check the whole of a filesystem instead of just the inodes/filesizes/dates etc - in other words a full surface scan instead of just a consistency check. The manpage for fsck under FreeBSD has no such switch. Any idea how I can achieve this? Please reply to me directly, as I'm not currently subscribed to the FS list. -- Lloyd Rennie VBCnet GB Ltd lloyd@vbc.net tel +44 (0) 117 929 1316 http://www.vbc.net fax +44 (0) 117 927 2015 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Mon Jun 18 11:14:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71BA237B401 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:14:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA50706; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:14:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Lloyd Rennie Cc: fs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fsck query References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 18 Jun 2001 20:14:14 +0200 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Lloyd Rennie writes: > When I learnt to use fsck, it was under linux. There, it had a switch to > force it to check the whole of a filesystem instead of just the > inodes/filesizes/dates etc - in other words a full surface scan instead of > just a consistency check. The manpage for fsck under FreeBSD has no such > switch. If you're trying to find out if your disk has surface errors, just dd from it into /dev/null. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Mon Jun 18 11:20:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from softarch.com (softarch.com [38.215.28.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0BFD37B403 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:20:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ryand@softarch.com) Message-id: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:24:32 -0700 Subject: Newbie Documentation To: fs@freebsd.org From: "Ryan Dary" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello. I am new to this list. I am wondering if there is any documentation that would help someone understand what it takes to build a file system. Something general to start out with, then continue towards the implementation details. - Ryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Mon Jun 18 13:13:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C8037B401 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:13:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32951; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:13:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:13:19 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: Ryan Dary Cc: fs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie Documentation Message-ID: <20010618161319.A32939@blackhelicopters.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from ryand@softarch.com on Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 11:24:32AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 11:24:32AM -0700, Ryan Dary wrote: > Hello. I am new to this list. I am wondering if there is any > documentation that would help someone understand what it takes to build a > file system. Something general to start out with, then continue towards > the implementation details. Ryan, Your best bet is "The Design and Implementation of the 4.4 BSD Operating System", available at most online bookstores. Good luck! ==ml -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Tue Jun 19 4: 8:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mail.webmonster.de (datasink.webmonster.de [194.162.162.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 47CBA37B401 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 04:08:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karsten@rohrbach.de) Received: (qmail 33684 invoked by uid 1000); 19 Jun 2001 11:09:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:09:05 +0200 From: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Lloyd Rennie , fs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fsck query Message-ID: <20010619130905.F30037@mail.webmonster.de> Mail-Followup-To: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Lloyd Rennie , fs@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="27ZtN5FSuKKSZcBU" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from des@ofug.org on Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:14:14PM +0200 X-Arbitrary-Number-Of-The-Day: 42 X-URL: http://www.webmonster.de/ X-Disclaimer: My opinions do not necessarily represent those of my employer Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --27ZtN5FSuKKSZcBU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dag-Erling Smorgrav(des@ofug.org)@2001.06.18 20:14:14 +0000: > Lloyd Rennie writes: > > When I learnt to use fsck, it was under linux. There, it had a switch = to > > force it to check the whole of a filesystem instead of just the > > inodes/filesizes/dates etc - in other words a full surface scan instead= of > > just a consistency check. The manpage for fsck under FreeBSD has no su= ch > > switch. >=20 > If you're trying to find out if your disk has surface errors, just dd > from it into /dev/null. one might note that this specific issue is addressed by diskcheckd by ben/phk in -current. according to phk the MFC to -stable is on it's way, perhaps it is already committed. /k --=20 > "Dort wo andere Moral besitzen hat sie ein Loch." --Erich Kaestner KR433/KR11-RIPE -- WebMonster Community Founder -- nGENn GmbH Senior Techie http://www.webmonster.de/ -- ftp://ftp.webmonster.de/ -- http://www.ngenn.n= et/ karsten&rohrbach.de -- alpha&ngenn.net -- alpha&scene.org -- catch@spam.de GnuPG 0x2964BF46 2001-03-15 42F9 9FFF 50D4 2F38 DBEE DF22 3340 4F4E 2964 B= F46 Please do not remove my address from To: and Cc: fields in mailing lists. 1= 0x --27ZtN5FSuKKSZcBU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7LzLQM0BPTilkv0YRAvGQAJ9mmeJyTzccEmNCmim1F0y17FeuMACeKNf4 y06ZuFMRS4oC8k2O4PMn/r0= =JIti -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --27ZtN5FSuKKSZcBU-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Tue Jun 19 4:45:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A4637B403 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 04:45:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA54494; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:45:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" Cc: Lloyd Rennie , fs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fsck query References: <20010619130905.F30037@mail.webmonster.de> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 19 Jun 2001 13:45:47 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20010619130905.F30037@mail.webmonster.de> Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Karsten W. Rohrbach" writes: > one might note that this specific issue is addressed by diskcheckd by > ben/phk in -current. according to phk the MFC to -stable is on it's way, > perhaps it is already committed. No, diskcheckd(8) serves a different purpose: it tries to trigger surface errors early while they can still be circumvented by remapping the damaged sectors. That's not quite the same as discovering and reporting existing surface errors. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Tue Jun 19 11:12:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mail7.bigmailbox.com (mail7.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C9EE37B401 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:12:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from petko_bg@cannabismail.com) Received: œby mail7.bigmailbox.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA28089; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:12:08 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:12:08 -0700 Message-Id: <200106191812.LAA28089@mail7.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [213.137.32.182] From: "petko popadiyski" To: fs@freebsd.org Subject: DEVFS configuration Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org HI, Could you explain me in simple manner how i can configure DEVFS. I can't find documentation about that and i i don't understand the man pages for mount_devf and devfs. ------------------------------------------------------------ YourName@CannabisMail.com for FREE ! http://www.CannabisMail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Tue Jun 19 11:15:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD4E37B403 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:15:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5JIE5r97556; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:14:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: "petko popadiyski" Cc: fs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEVFS configuration In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:12:08 PDT." <200106191812.LAA28089@mail7.bigmailbox.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:14:05 +0200 Message-ID: <97554.992974445@critter> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200106191812.LAA28089@mail7.bigmailbox.com>, "petko popadiyski" wri tes: >HI, > Could you explain me in simple manner how i can configure DEVFS. I can't find documentation about that and i i don't understand the man pages for mount_devf and devfs. Pressuming we are talking about -current: add option DEVFS to your kernel and everything happens automatically. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Tue Jun 19 11:17: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBAA37B401 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:17:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f5JIFlu05284; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:15:47 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:15:47 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: petko popadiyski Cc: fs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEVFS configuration Message-ID: <20010619111547.A4697@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <200106191812.LAA28089@mail7.bigmailbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200106191812.LAA28089@mail7.bigmailbox.com>; from petko_bg@cannabismail.com on Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 11:12:08AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 11:12:08AM -0700, petko popadiyski wrote: > HI,=20 > Could you explain me in simple manner how i can configure DEVFS. I > can't find documentation about that and i i don't understand the man pages > for mount_devf and devfs. In -current you just compile a kernel without the NODEVFS option (default). In -stable it's broken and you can't use it. -- Brooks --cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7L5bSXY6L6fI4GtQRArlFAJ487Sbjb2SaiAKiTMiEH5U5HHHf0QCgu6iT UYtMyayqqE4RBcJH57B2LOk= =JOIa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Tue Jun 19 12:16:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D41637B401 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:16:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from iedowse@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 19 Jun 2001 20:16:44 +0100 (BST) To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: CFR: UFS directory hashing Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:16:44 +0100 From: Ian Dowse Message-ID: <200106192016.aa70837@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If there are no objections, I would like to commit the UFS_DIRHASH patch in the next few days. The current patch is at http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~iedowse/FreeBSD/dirhash.diff4 and if anyone is interested, there is a RELENG_4 version at: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~iedowse/FreeBSD/dirhash_releng_4.diff This patch has been discussed already on -hackers a few weeks ago, and I have incorporated many of the suggested improvements. For anyone who missed that discussion, a brief description is below. Ian The idea of this code is to maintain a throw-away in-core data structure for large directories, allowing all operations to be performed quickly without the need for linear searches. This new behaviour is completely optional, and it is only enabled when the kernel is compiled with "options UFS_DIRHASH". The implementation uses a hash array that maps filenames to the directory offset at which the corresponding directory entry exists. A simple spillover mechanism is used to deal with hash collisions, and some extra summary information permits the quick location of free space within the directory itself for create operations. The in-core data structures have a memory requirement approximately equal to half of the on-disk directory size. Currently there are two sysctls that determine which directories get hashed: vfs.ufs.dirhashminsize Minimum directory on-disk size for which hashing should be used (default 2.5k). vfs.ufs.dirhashmaxmem Maximum system-wide amount of memory to use for directory hashes (default 2Mb). When the memory limit is reached, the implementation will try to recycle dirhash memory from other directories as necessary. If it fails to build up the hash structures for any reason, the code reverts to the normal linear searches. Even on a relatively slow machine (200Mhz P5), I'm seeing a file creation speed that remains at around 1000 creations/second for directories with more than 100,000 entries. Without this patch, I get less than 20 creations per second on the same directory (in both cases soft-updates is enabled). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Tue Jun 19 13:13:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from sneakerz.org (sneakerz.org [216.33.66.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F325137B403 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:13:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@sneakerz.org) Received: by sneakerz.org (Postfix, from userid 1092) id 33D5C5D01F; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:13:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:13:43 -0500 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Ian Dowse Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CFR: UFS directory hashing Message-ID: <20010619151343.B4543@sneakerz.org> References: <200106192016.aa70837@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200106192016.aa70837@salmon.maths.tcd.ie>; from iedowse@maths.tcd.ie on Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 08:16:44PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Ian Dowse [010619 14:16] wrote: > > The idea of this code is to maintain a throw-away in-core data > structure for large directories, allowing all operations to be > performed quickly without the need for linear searches. This new > behaviour is completely optional, and it is only enabled when the > kernel is compiled with "options UFS_DIRHASH". I'm sick of loosing benchmarks because of non-optimal default settings, can this please be made the default? Btw, excellent work. :) -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Wed Jun 20 23:21:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from glatton.cnchost.com (glatton.cnchost.com [207.155.248.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CADEE37B403 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 23:21:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bakul@bitblocks.com) Received: from bitblocks.com (adsl-209-204-185-216.sonic.net [209.204.185.216]) by glatton.cnchost.com id CAA14821; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 02:21:25 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.13] Message-ID: <200106210621.CAA14821@glatton.cnchost.com> To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: Strange scsi disk behavior on a freebsd system Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 23:21:23 -0700 From: Bakul Shah Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Readonly mount of the disk allows me to access files on it fine but fsck fails with messages like ** /dev/da0a ** Last Mounted on /u ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes UNKNOWN FILE TYPE I=6 CLEAR? [yn] n UNKNOWN FILE TYPE I=15 CLEAR? [yn] n UNKNOWN FILE TYPE I=38 CLEAR? [yn] n UNKNOWN FILE TYPE I=47 CLEAR? [yn] n UNKNOWN FILE TYPE I=56 CLEAR? [yn] n UNKNOWN FILE TYPE I=70 CLEAR? [yn] n UNKNOWN FILE TYPE I=79 CLEAR? [yn] This goes on an on. I also see messages like PARTIALLY ALLOCATED INODE I=4149 CLEAR? [yn] n ls -l on the file with inode=6 reveals nothing funny. catting the file shows nothing abnormal. `dd /dev/null bs=1m' works fine. `camcontrol defects da0 -f bfi' fails with an error: camcontrol: Error returned from read defect data command The disk has two partitions and both have the same problem. So finally I newfsed one of the two partitions and even on a freshly newfsed partition I get the same sort of errors. Why would readonly mount, ls, cat and dd work but fsck fail? The same behavior has been observed for the past 6+ months (after the disk was moved long distance) on various freebsd-current kernels. This is an old 4Gig drive. The disk data is already saved and I do intend to throw the disk away but this behavior puzzles me. This behavior seems disk related not s/w related but why would only fsck complain? Any guesses anyone? 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Thu Jun 21 1:45:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from tiku.hut.fi (tiku.hut.fi [130.233.228.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C8A37B403 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 01:45:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sparvu@alpha.hut.fi) Received: from alpha.hut.fi (sparvu@alpha.hut.fi [130.233.224.50]) by tiku.hut.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14227 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:45:45 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:45:45 +0300 (EET DST) From: Stefan Parvu To: fs@freebsd.org Subject: softupdates questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I have couple of questions related with SoftUpdates: 1. Why is not recommended to enable softupdates in / slice ? Do you have any example or some hints here ? 2.dirpref is a module developed by OpenBSD group or it is as default with softupdates ? 3. There is some concern about to integrate dirpref to FreeBSD . Why is this ? Are any specific changes to fsck or other tools regarding dirpref ? Thanks, stefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Thu Jun 21 3:34: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C92537B403 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 03:34:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA64206; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:34:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Stefan Parvu Cc: fs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: softupdates questions References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 21 Jun 2001 12:34:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 32 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Stefan Parvu writes: > 1. Why is not recommended to enable softupdates in / slice ? > Do you have any example or some hints here ? Because when you delete a file with soft updates, the space it occupies isn't released immediately, so if your / partition is short on space you may have trouble running 'make installworld'. > 2.dirpref is a module developed by OpenBSD group or it is as default with > softupdates ? The term "dirpref" refers to the algorithm that determines the optimal placement of new directories and files on disk. It's not an add-on module, nor is it specific to the soft updates mechanism - you can't have FFS without some kind of dirpref algorithm. What you're probably thinking of is Grigoriy Orlov's new dirpref algorithm, which is supposed to be 5% to 10% than the old one. I don't know if Grigoriy is an OpenBSD devloper, though OpenBSD integrated his code a few days before we did. Details about the new dirpref code are available in the CVS logs (e.g. rev 1.20 of src/sys/ufs/ffs/fs.h, or CVSROOT/commitlogs/sys.010601.gz) > 3. There is some concern about to integrate dirpref to FreeBSD . Why is > this ? Are any specific changes to fsck or other tools regarding dirpref ? It was integrated in early April. I can't remember there being any controversy over it. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Thu Jun 21 9:42:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from sneakerz.org (sneakerz.org [216.33.66.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03EC237B406 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:42:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@sneakerz.org) Received: by sneakerz.org (Postfix, from userid 1092) id 650B25D01F; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:42:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:42:10 -0500 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Stefan Parvu , fs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: softupdates questions Message-ID: <20010621114210.T4543@sneakerz.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from des@ofug.org on Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 12:34:00PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Dag-Erling Smorgrav [010621 05:34] wrote: > Stefan Parvu writes: > > > 3. There is some concern about to integrate dirpref to FreeBSD . Why is > > this ? Are any specific changes to fsck or other tools regarding dirpref ? > > It was integrated in early April. I can't remember there being any > controversy over it. old fsck + new dirpref == spammed superblock, meaning that some fields required by the new dirpref would be zero'd after fsck, this would cause a divide by zero fault in the kernel. there was a patch added to recognize spammed dirpref values and reinit them, so this is no longer a problem. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Thu Jun 21 10: 4:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from tiku.hut.fi (tiku.hut.fi [130.233.228.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B5637B401 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:04:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sparvu@alpha.hut.fi) Received: from alpha.hut.fi (sparvu@alpha.hut.fi [130.233.224.50]) by tiku.hut.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04906; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:04:07 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:04:06 +0300 (EET DST) From: Stefan Parvu To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , fs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: softupdates questions In-Reply-To: <20010621114210.T4543@sneakerz.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thank you all guys. I've got the picture. stefan On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:42:10 -0500 > From: Alfred Perlstein > To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav > Cc: Stefan Parvu , fs@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: softupdates questions > > * Dag-Erling Smorgrav [010621 05:34] wrote: > > Stefan Parvu writes: > > > > > 3. There is some concern about to integrate dirpref to FreeBSD . Why is > > > this ? Are any specific changes to fsck or other tools regarding dirpref ? > > > > It was integrated in early April. I can't remember there being any > > controversy over it. > > old fsck + new dirpref == spammed superblock, meaning that some fields > required by the new dirpref would be zero'd after fsck, this would > cause a divide by zero fault in the kernel. > > there was a patch added to recognize spammed dirpref values and > reinit them, so this is no longer a problem. > > -Alfred > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Thu Jun 21 14: 3:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from web11207.mail.yahoo.com (web11207.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BC5C937B403 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:03:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from naja1969@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010621210340.34177.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.4.92.5] by web11207.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:03:40 PDT Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:03:40 -0700 (PDT) From: naja Subject: XFS porting to FreeBSD? To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Does anyone know who is porting XFS to FreeBSD? Please point me to XFS port on FreeBSD website & initial source of XFS port. thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Thu Jun 21 16: 9:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from tao.org.uk (genesis.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CAD237B401 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:09:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@tao.org.uk) Received: by tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id E1B32572; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 00:09:07 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 00:09:07 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: naja Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFS porting to FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20010622000907.L767@tao.org.uk> References: <20010621210340.34177.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VBq/nvTu32OVLBUP" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010621210340.34177.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com>; from naja1969@yahoo.com on Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 02:03:40PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --VBq/nvTu32OVLBUP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 02:03:40PM -0700, naja wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Does anyone know who is porting XFS to FreeBSD? Please point me to XFS > port on FreeBSD website & initial source of XFS port. I know of at least one committer that is porting XFS, but there is no working code yet, and I imagine that it's going to take a little while because they've got a job ;). 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