From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 19 01:57:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38DF16A4CE; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 01:57:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F5B43D31; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 01:57:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8J1v9TH014963; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i8J1v9Fo014962; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:57:08 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: Brad Davis Message-ID: <20040919015708.GC14356@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20040918.161309.35654157.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <10215.199.201.236.2.1095524659.squirrel@199.201.236.2> <20040918162718.50dce0f1@localhost> <12393.199.201.236.2.1095541809.squirrel@199.201.236.2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <12393.199.201.236.2.1095541809.squirrel@199.201.236.2> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: Tom Rhodes cc: Hiroki Sato cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 01:57:10 -0000 On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 03:10:09PM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > On Sat, September 18, 2004 2:27 pm, Tom Rhodes said: > > Currently I'm in Washington D.C. with DES working on the BIND9 > > import, amungst other things. If someone from doc could give > > this work a decent pass then I'll be extremely happy. > > Sure you are ;P Yeah, he is. Really. Well, I'm not there. But I heard about it from DES and I'm sure you'll agree that's a more credible source. :-))) -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 19 02:19:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699E416A4CE; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 02:19:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E2C43D1D; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 02:19:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (64-144-75-99.client.dsl.net [64.144.75.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8J2Jdex004658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:19:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:20:14 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Ken Smith Message-Id: <20040918222014.76e55e2b@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20040919015708.GC14356@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20040918.161309.35654157.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <10215.199.201.236.2.1095524659.squirrel@199.201.236.2> <20040918162718.50dce0f1@localhost> <12393.199.201.236.2.1095541809.squirrel@199.201.236.2> <20040919015708.GC14356@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Tom Rhodes cc: Hiroki Sato cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 02:19:42 -0000 On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:57:08 -0400 Ken Smith wrote: > On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 03:10:09PM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > > On Sat, September 18, 2004 2:27 pm, Tom Rhodes said: > > > Currently I'm in Washington D.C. with DES working on the BIND9 > > > import, amungst other things. If someone from doc could give > > > this work a decent pass then I'll be extremely happy. > > > > Sure you are ;P > > Yeah, he is. Really. Well, I'm not there. But I heard about it from > DES and I'm sure you'll agree that's a more credible source. :-))) Just call the cell phone and ask to speak with either myself or DES. :) HAHA, I have proof, I can't fake DES's accent for anything. :) -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 19 08:24:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A7A16A4CE for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 08:24:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from woozle.rinet.ru (woozle.rinet.ru [195.54.192.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2A643D2F for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 08:24:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woozle.rinet.ru (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i8J8OW5v058773 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:24:32 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:24:32 +0400 (MSD) From: Dmitry Morozovsky To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040919122112.B56801@woozle.rinet.ru> X-NCC-RegID: ru.rinet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: committers guide inconsistency X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 08:24:34 -0000 Dear colleagues, How long is a ports freeze? Usually an hour or two. However, for at least last couple of 4.x and 5.x releases, ports freeze lasts for one to free weeks. Possibly, time to update the guide? Sincerely, D.Marck [DM5020, MCK-RIPE, DM3-RIPN] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Dmitry Morozovsky --- D.Marck --- Wild Woozle --- marck@rinet.ru *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 19 10:51:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4940316A4CE; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 10:51:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA85E43D2D; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 10:51:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1C8zHy-00072n-Ml; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:51:26 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:51:26 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Brad Davis Message-ID: <20040919105126.GV1538@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Brad Davis , Hiroki Sato , doc@freebsd.org References: <20040918.161309.35654157.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <10215.199.201.236.2.1095524659.squirrel@199.201.236.2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9iFHQ9JnogSZzyzY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <10215.199.201.236.2.1095524659.squirrel@199.201.236.2> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: Hiroki Sato cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 10:51:28 -0000 --9iFHQ9JnogSZzyzY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 10:24:19AM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: >=20 > On Sat, September 18, 2004 1:13 am, Hiroki Sato said: > > Hi all, > > > > As announced, the doc/ tree is now in a slush. Please postpone all > > non-essential changes until after the doc/ tree is tagged (currently > > scheduled for 24 September, 2004). > > > > While this is not a real freeze, if you need to commit a relatively > > large change to fix or improve our documentation for 5.3-RELEASE, > > please put a note for translators onto your commit log. >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I have a complete rewrite of the Firewall section. I have been trying to > work with Tom, but I think he is busy doing other stuff. I would like to > see this make it in before the 5.3 release. If anyone is interested I have > patches and the HTML output here: >=20 > http://freebsd.so14k.com/firewall/ >=20 > It needs to be merged against the current version of the handbook, but > that shouldn't be too hard. Comment #1 Brad: there are whitespace changes mixed in here. With a patch of this size, that's bad (because it means it will take a long time for someone to take them out again). Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --9iFHQ9JnogSZzyzY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBTWSuocfcwTS3JF8RApMzAJ98gYnRY3aEUDwmyhjIr8eHVn5i4ACfd7Im MznKS39gN3eHibgyDZBVaXQ= =/ZIN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9iFHQ9JnogSZzyzY-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 19 10:52:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC0B516A4CE; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 10:52:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8102343D46; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 10:52:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1C8zJG-00073F-S4; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:52:46 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:52:46 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Brad Davis , Hiroki Sato , doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040919105246.GW1538@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Brad Davis , Hiroki Sato , doc@freebsd.org References: <20040918.161309.35654157.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <10215.199.201.236.2.1095524659.squirrel@199.201.236.2> <20040919105126.GV1538@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Eb2dXAwtBqAM4EkP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040919105126.GV1538@submonkey.net> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 10:52:48 -0000 --Eb2dXAwtBqAM4EkP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 11:51:26AM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 10:24:19AM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > >=20 > > On Sat, September 18, 2004 1:13 am, Hiroki Sato said: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > As announced, the doc/ tree is now in a slush. Please postpone all > > > non-essential changes until after the doc/ tree is tagged (currently > > > scheduled for 24 September, 2004). > > > > > > While this is not a real freeze, if you need to commit a relatively > > > large change to fix or improve our documentation for 5.3-RELEASE, > > > please put a note for translators onto your commit log. > >=20 > > Hi, > >=20 > > I have a complete rewrite of the Firewall section. I have been trying to > > work with Tom, but I think he is busy doing other stuff. I would like to > > see this make it in before the 5.3 release. If anyone is interested I h= ave > > patches and the HTML output here: > >=20 > > http://freebsd.so14k.com/firewall/ > >=20 > > It needs to be merged against the current version of the handbook, but > > that shouldn't be too hard. >=20 > Comment #1 Brad: there are whitespace changes mixed in here. With a > patch of this size, that's bad (because it means it will take a long > time for someone to take them out again). You are also missing a element for your entry in the authorgroup. I'll read the rest of it before I reply again, I promise. ;-) Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --Eb2dXAwtBqAM4EkP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBTWT+ocfcwTS3JF8RAjHTAKCDwhoQ8Hwd6+sYp3irX5muvIGpJQCgyXH3 v7dj+dZoeFHmu4fJOrd7pis= =a2ek -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Eb2dXAwtBqAM4EkP-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 19 14:52:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2394416A4CE for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 14:52:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6422D43D48 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 14:52:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (64-144-75-99.client.dsl.net [64.144.75.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8JEq8ex008509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 19 Sep 2004 10:52:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 10:52:42 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Dmitry Morozovsky Message-Id: <20040919105242.4ae37b40@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20040919122112.B56801@woozle.rinet.ru> References: <20040919122112.B56801@woozle.rinet.ru> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: committers guide inconsistency X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 14:52:11 -0000 On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:24:32 +0400 (MSD) Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: Hey Dmitry, long time no chat. :) > Dear colleagues, > > > > How long is a ports freeze? > > > > Usually an hour or two. > > > > > However, for at least last couple of 4.x and 5.x releases, ports freeze lasts > for one to free weeks. Possibly, time to update the guide? Are you not a doc committer too? If so then just fix it with a mentor approved patch; if not then send a patch to the list and someone will pick it up. Or something along those lines. If you think it's easier to fix outright then let me know. Thanks! -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 19 17:53:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A417716A532 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:53:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [195.170.0.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13CE43D5D for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:53:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-b122.otenet.gr [212.205.244.130]) i8JHr1Ot019746; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:53:02 +0300 Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i8JHofeL076625; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:50:41 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id i8JHPEfa064352; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:25:14 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:25:14 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Remko Lodder Message-ID: <20040919172514.GD2907@gothmog.gr> References: <414C2915.8000309@elvandar.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <414C2915.8000309@elvandar.org> Phone: +30-2610-312145 Mobile: +30-6944-116520 cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question regarding 'placeholders' (Translations) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:53:16 -0000 On 2004-09-18 14:24, Remko Lodder wrote: > --- chapter_orig.sgml Sat Aug 14 14:35:33 2004 > +++ chapter.sgml Sat Sep 18 14:20:02 2004 > @@ -442,6 +442,32 @@ > --> > > > + > + > + > + How should i handle untranslated documents when i want to > + import them into the &os; cvs tree? > + > + > + > + If you have untranslated documents, or documents which are > + not yet reviewed, you should use so called > + placeholders. The correct syntax for using > + those placeholders is: > + > + <sect1> > + <title>* Translated title</title> > + > + <para></para> > + </sect1> > + > + The para statements are used to fill the sections. If > + they do not exist it will result in a failing build. If > + you have a sect2 or deeper statement in your chapter, please > + put the para statements in the deepest section. > + > + > + > > This looks fine. You can even simplify the text of the last paragraph a bit by using: Section elements (sect, sect1, etc.) require at least some content. To silence the SGML parser, you can use the empty trick until you have real content to add. - Giorgos From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 19 19:05:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ADD716A4CE; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:05:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A8D43D4C; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:05:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8JJ5KPS009248; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:05:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8JJ5Jxg009247; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:05:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:05:19 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Giorgos Keramidas Message-ID: <20040919190519.GG60807@abigail.blackend.org> References: <414C2915.8000309@elvandar.org> <20040919172514.GD2907@gothmog.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040919172514.GD2907@gothmog.gr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-PRERELEASE cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question regarding 'placeholders' (Translations) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:05:30 -0000 On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 08:25:14PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2004-09-18 14:24, Remko Lodder wrote: > > --- chapter_orig.sgml Sat Aug 14 14:35:33 2004 > > +++ chapter.sgml Sat Sep 18 14:20:02 2004 > > @@ -442,6 +442,32 @@ > > --> > > > > > > + > > + > > + > > + How should i handle untranslated documents when i want to > > + import them into the &os; cvs tree? > > + > > + > > + > > + If you have untranslated documents, or documents which are > > + not yet reviewed, you should use so called > > + placeholders. The correct syntax for using > > + those placeholders is: > > + > > + <sect1> > > + <title>* Translated title</title> > > + > > + <para></para> > > + </sect1> > > + > > + The para statements are used to fill the sections. If > > + they do not exist it will result in a failing build. If > > + you have a sect2 or deeper statement in your chapter, please > > + put the para statements in the deepest section. > > + > > + > > + > > > > > > This looks fine. You can even simplify the text of the last paragraph a > bit by using: > > Section elements (sect, sect1, etc.) require at least some content. > To silence the SGML parser, you can use the empty trick > until you have real content to add. How this could be fine? This patch does not clearly state that the non-translated text must not be left in the SGML files. And the placeholders used are non-efficient, just try to put one in the Handbook and read the TOC, you will see... And what means the * ? Something in progress? The logic would say to use something like Non-translated title * To Be Translated * or Non-translated title * Translation In Progress * which are easily understable and easy to locate in a (large) TOC. Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 19 23:40:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4296616A4CE; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 23:40:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from valentine.liquidneon.com (valentine.liquidneon.com [216.38.206.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A53343D48; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 23:40:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from so14k@so14k.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by valentine.liquidneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C26855; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:40:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from valentine.liquidneon.com ([216.38.206.180]) by localhost (valentine.liquidneon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32264-04; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:40:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from boom.house.so14k.com (67-41-215-55.dnvr.qwest.net [67.41.215.55]) by valentine.liquidneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D72854; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:40:07 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Davis To: Ceri Davies Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:40:06 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20040918.161309.35654157.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20040919105126.GV1538@submonkey.net> <20040919105246.GW1538@submonkey.net> In-Reply-To: <20040919105246.GW1538@submonkey.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200409191740.06579.so14k@so14k.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at liquidneon.com cc: Hiroki Sato cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 23:40:11 -0000 On Sunday 19 September 2004 04:52, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 11:51:26AM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 10:24:19AM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > > > On Sat, September 18, 2004 1:13 am, Hiroki Sato said: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > As announced, the doc/ tree is now in a slush. Please postpone all > > > > non-essential changes until after the doc/ tree is tagged (currently > > > > scheduled for 24 September, 2004). > > > > > > > > While this is not a real freeze, if you need to commit a relatively > > > > large change to fix or improve our documentation for 5.3-RELEASE, > > > > please put a note for translators onto your commit log. > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have a complete rewrite of the Firewall section. I have been trying > > > to work with Tom, but I think he is busy doing other stuff. I would > > > like to see this make it in before the 5.3 release. If anyone is > > > interested I have patches and the HTML output here: > > > > > > http://freebsd.so14k.com/firewall/ > > > > > > It needs to be merged against the current version of the handbook, but > > > that shouldn't be too hard. > > > > Comment #1 Brad: there are whitespace changes mixed in here. With a > > patch of this size, that's bad (because it means it will take a long > > time for someone to take them out again). > > You are also missing a element for your entry in the > authorgroup. > > I'll read the rest of it before I reply again, I promise. ;-) I'll begin working on this now. I'd like to invite all of you to help me on IRC in #freebsd-doc on irc.freenode.net. Regards, Brad -- Quigley's Law: Whoever has any authority over you, no matter how small, will atttempt to use it. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 01:05:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96BCF16A4CE; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:05:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from valentine.liquidneon.com (valentine.liquidneon.com [216.38.206.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E58B43D3F; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:05:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from so14k@so14k.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by valentine.liquidneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE399854; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:05:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from valentine.liquidneon.com ([216.38.206.180]) by localhost (valentine.liquidneon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32457-10; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:05:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from boom.house.so14k.com (67-41-215-55.dnvr.qwest.net [67.41.215.55]) by valentine.liquidneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414C2804; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:05:58 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Davis To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:05:56 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20040918.161309.35654157.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20040919105246.GW1538@submonkey.net> <200409191740.06579.so14k@so14k.com> In-Reply-To: <200409191740.06579.so14k@so14k.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200409191905.56649.so14k@so14k.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at liquidneon.com cc: Ceri Davies cc: doc@freebsd.org cc: Hiroki Sato Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:05:59 -0000 On Sunday 19 September 2004 17:40, Brad Davis wrote: > On Sunday 19 September 2004 04:52, Ceri Davies wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 11:51:26AM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 10:24:19AM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > > > > On Sat, September 18, 2004 1:13 am, Hiroki Sato said: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > As announced, the doc/ tree is now in a slush. Please postpone > > > > > all non-essential changes until after the doc/ tree is tagged > > > > > (currently scheduled for 24 September, 2004). > > > > > > > > > > While this is not a real freeze, if you need to commit a > > > > > relatively large change to fix or improve our documentation for > > > > > 5.3-RELEASE, please put a note for translators onto your commit > > > > > log. > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I have a complete rewrite of the Firewall section. I have been trying > > > > to work with Tom, but I think he is busy doing other stuff. I would > > > > like to see this make it in before the 5.3 release. If anyone is > > > > interested I have patches and the HTML output here: > > > > > > > > http://freebsd.so14k.com/firewall/ > > > > > > > > It needs to be merged against the current version of the handbook, > > > > but that shouldn't be too hard. > > > > > > Comment #1 Brad: there are whitespace changes mixed in here. With a > > > patch of this size, that's bad (because it means it will take a long > > > time for someone to take them out again). > > > > You are also missing a element for your entry in the > > authorgroup. > > > > I'll read the rest of it before I reply again, I promise. ;-) > > I'll begin working on this now. I'd like to invite all of you to help me on > IRC in #freebsd-doc on irc.freenode.net. Whitespace cleaned up and entry added o' Capitan! Regards, Brad -- Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 01:05:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96BCF16A4CE; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:05:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from valentine.liquidneon.com (valentine.liquidneon.com [216.38.206.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E58B43D3F; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:05:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from so14k@so14k.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by valentine.liquidneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE399854; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:05:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from valentine.liquidneon.com ([216.38.206.180]) by localhost (valentine.liquidneon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32457-10; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:05:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from boom.house.so14k.com (67-41-215-55.dnvr.qwest.net [67.41.215.55]) by valentine.liquidneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414C2804; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:05:58 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Davis To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:05:56 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20040918.161309.35654157.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20040919105246.GW1538@submonkey.net> <200409191740.06579.so14k@so14k.com> In-Reply-To: <200409191740.06579.so14k@so14k.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200409191905.56649.so14k@so14k.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at liquidneon.com cc: Ceri Davies cc: doc@freebsd.org cc: Hiroki Sato Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:05:59 -0000 On Sunday 19 September 2004 17:40, Brad Davis wrote: > On Sunday 19 September 2004 04:52, Ceri Davies wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 11:51:26AM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 10:24:19AM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > > > > On Sat, September 18, 2004 1:13 am, Hiroki Sato said: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > As announced, the doc/ tree is now in a slush. Please postpone > > > > > all non-essential changes until after the doc/ tree is tagged > > > > > (currently scheduled for 24 September, 2004). > > > > > > > > > > While this is not a real freeze, if you need to commit a > > > > > relatively large change to fix or improve our documentation for > > > > > 5.3-RELEASE, please put a note for translators onto your commit > > > > > log. > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I have a complete rewrite of the Firewall section. I have been trying > > > > to work with Tom, but I think he is busy doing other stuff. I would > > > > like to see this make it in before the 5.3 release. If anyone is > > > > interested I have patches and the HTML output here: > > > > > > > > http://freebsd.so14k.com/firewall/ > > > > > > > > It needs to be merged against the current version of the handbook, > > > > but that shouldn't be too hard. > > > > > > Comment #1 Brad: there are whitespace changes mixed in here. With a > > > patch of this size, that's bad (because it means it will take a long > > > time for someone to take them out again). > > > > You are also missing a element for your entry in the > > authorgroup. > > > > I'll read the rest of it before I reply again, I promise. ;-) > > I'll begin working on this now. I'd like to invite all of you to help me on > IRC in #freebsd-doc on irc.freenode.net. Whitespace cleaned up and entry added o' Capitan! Regards, Brad -- Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 03:10:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C9A16A4CE for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:10:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9771C43D2F for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:10:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K3AM6Z020541 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:10:22 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8K3AMOO020540; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:10:22 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:10:22 GMT Message-Id: <200409200310.i8K3AMOO020540@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Chris Pepper Subject: Re: docs/71782: mount_nfs man page is a bit out of date X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chris Pepper List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:10:22 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/71782; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Chris Pepper To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Guy Harris Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/71782: mount_nfs man page is a bit out of date Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:55:39 -0400 At 12:15 AM +0000 2004/09/16, Guy Harris wrote: > >Number: 71782 >>Category: docs > >Synopsis: mount_nfs man page is a bit out of date > >Description: >The mount_nfs man page claims that NFS-over-TCP is mainly a BSD thing: > > -T Use TCP transport instead of UDP. This is recommended for > servers that are not on the same LAN cable as the client. (NB: > This is NOT supported by most non-BSD servers.) > >and > >BUGS > Due to the way that Sun RPC is implemented on top of UDP (unreliable > datagram) transport, tuning such mounts is really a black art that can > only be expected to have limited success. For clients mounting servers > that are not on the same LAN cable or that tend to be overloaded, TCP > transport is strongly recommended, but unfortunately this is restricted > to mostly 4.4BSD servers. Further, all three occurrences of 'cable' should be 'segment', as most of us are using network segments or subnets that involve multiple cables (via hubs or switches). One cable per segment (thicknet) is an anachronism. Chris -- Chris Pepper: Rockefeller University: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 08:10:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FFD216A4CE; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:10:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [195.170.0.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B8543D58; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:10:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229])i8K8A52g017495; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:10:06 +0300 Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (orion [127.0.0.1]) i8K89uMj005232; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:09:56 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost)i8K89ubY005231; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:09:56 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:09:56 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Marc Fonvieille Message-ID: <20040920080956.GA5153@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <414C2915.8000309@elvandar.org> <20040919172514.GD2907@gothmog.gr> <20040919190519.GG60807@abigail.blackend.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040919190519.GG60807@abigail.blackend.org> cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question regarding 'placeholders' (Translations) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:10:09 -0000 On 2004-09-19 21:05, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 08:25:14PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > This looks fine. You can even simplify the text of the last > > paragraph a bit by using: > > > > Section elements (sect, sect1, etc.) require at least some > > content. To silence the SGML parser, you can use the empty > > trick until you have real content to add. > > How this could be fine? > This patch does not clearly state that the non-translated text must not > be left in the SGML files. And the placeholders used are non-efficient, > just try to put one in the Handbook and read the TOC, you will see... I posted before reading your other replies. After reading through the entire thread I think leaving it up to the translation team to decide is the best thing to do (as long as untranslated text is *not* commited verbatim). > And what means the * ? Something in progress? This is probably an influence of older Handbook/FAQ versions that included starred sections to mark the parts of the docs that needed to be filled in. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 09:04:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F9B16A4ED for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:04:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from volginfo.ru (ns.volginfo.ru [217.23.84.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9860143D53 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:04:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from den@FreeBSD.org) Received: from FreeBSD.org (llp-13.vistcom.ru [217.23.84.68]) by volginfo.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071A0200E; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:04:43 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <414E9D27.4060202@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:04:39 +0400 From: Denis Peplin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040205 X-Accept-Language: ru, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Remko Lodder References: <414C2915.8000309@elvandar.org> In-Reply-To: <414C2915.8000309@elvandar.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question regarding 'placeholders' (Translations) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:04:43 -0000 Hello! Remko Lodder wrote: > > How does the Russian Project handle this? > > > Translated title * > > > Small correction (we use this form): Non-translated title * Not translated yet. I prefer to use this for chapter/sect1, and simply skip sect2,3... if it not needed for xrefs. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 11:01:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D707E16A4CE for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:01:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1E443D5D for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:01:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KB16Km000503 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:01:06 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8KB15sa000497 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:01:05 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:01:05 GMT Message-Id: <200409201101.i8KB15sa000497@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:01:07 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The problem is understood and a solution is being sought. f - feedback Further work requires additional information from the originator or the community - possibly confirmation of the effectiveness of a proposed solution. p - patched A patch has been committed, but some issues (MFC and / or confirmation from originator) are still open. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on, due to lack of information or resources. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested -- or when fixing the problem is abandoned. Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- s [2000/07/19] docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags o [2001/05/24] docs/27605 doc Cross-document references () s [2002/03/08] docs/35678 doc docproj Makefiles for web are broken for o [2002/03/21] docs/36168 doc -pthread/_THREAD_SAFE docs missing in gcc o [2002/09/14] docs/42762 doc ppp.8 has no description of $env and ~use o [2002/11/15] docs/45303 doc Bug in PDF DocBook rendering o [2003/12/29] docs/60679 doc pthreads documentation does not describe o [2004/01/19] docs/61558 doc New SMC 2602W cards, using the ADM8211, a o [2004/01/20] docs/61605 doc Improve documentation for i386 disk geome o [2004/02/10] docs/62665 doc setting up X display subsystem function i o [2004/03/10] docs/64063 doc Size of block in File System Quota docume o [2004/08/25] docs/70952 doc Handbook section 16.6.2 has bad example o [2004/09/04] docs/71359 doc /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf contain 13 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2001/02/02] docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) o [2001/04/02] docs/26286 doc *printf(3) etc should gain format string s [2001/06/03] docs/27843 doc [PATCH] make.conf WITH_* variables aren't o [2001/07/26] docs/29245 doc top(1) manpage doesn't understand SMP a [2001/08/23] docs/30008 doc This document should be translated, comme p [2001/09/27] docs/30873 doc ``ip'' man page does not specify byte ord o [2001/10/07] docs/31109 doc replace gif images w/ png ones due to pat o [2002/01/05] docs/33589 doc Patch to doc.docbook.mk to post process . o [2002/01/09] docs/33724 doc [patch] a very minor documentation error o [2002/01/14] docs/33852 doc split(1) man page implies that input file o [2002/01/14] docs/33877 doc Documentet behaviour of SF_flags for non- a [2002/02/16] docs/35011 doc There are no commands called "diskless" o o [2002/02/22] docs/35222 doc mailing list archive URL regexp suboptima o [2002/03/06] docs/35608 doc mt(1) page uses "setmark" without explana o [2002/03/06] docs/35609 doc mt(1) page needs explanation of "long era o [2002/03/06] docs/35612 doc ps(1) page "state" description doesn't me o [2002/03/07] docs/35642 doc lo(4) page maybe should document optional o [2002/03/07] docs/35644 doc lo(4) page presumes familiarity with prin o [2002/03/07] docs/35646 doc cp(1) page needs a "Bugs" section. o [2002/03/07] docs/35648 doc rc.conf; add note about "flags" to both f o [2002/03/08] docs/35686 doc blackhole(4) page seems to contradict its o [2002/03/08] docs/35687 doc /etc/nsmb.conf missing mention of readers o [2002/03/10] docs/35732 doc adduser(8) page has obsolete reference an o [2002/03/16] docs/35943 doc at(1) config files are misplaced in /var/ o [2002/03/16] docs/35953 doc hosts.equiv(5) manual is confusing or wro o [2002/03/28] docs/36432 doc Proposal for doc/share/mk: make folded bo o [2002/03/29] docs/36449 doc symlink(7) manual doesn't mention trailin s [2002/05/07] docs/37843 doc manual for pthread_setschedparam is wrong o [2002/05/18] docs/38225 doc change "CDROM" to "CD-ROM" o [2002/05/25] docs/38556 doc EPS file of beastie, as addition to exist o [2002/05/27] docs/38620 doc Committers Guide and CVS o [2002/05/31] docs/38772 doc firewall_type feature not mentioned on Ha o [2002/06/07] docs/38982 doc developers-hanbook/Jail fix p [2002/06/08] docs/39044 doc The man page for rot13(6) never mentions o [2002/06/13] docs/39213 doc No rc(4) man page o [2002/06/15] docs/39348 doc kenv fetch of hostname requires dhcp/boot o [2002/06/19] docs/39530 doc access(2) man page has unnecessarily broa o [2002/06/25] docs/39824 doc Various tweaks for doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/bo o [2002/07/10] docs/40423 doc Keyboard(4)'s definition of parameters to o [2002/07/11] docs/40443 doc Update books/faq/book.sgml for USB .ko's o [2002/07/21] docs/40851 doc [PATCH] "mergemaster -p" in UPDATING's "C o [2002/07/28] docs/41089 doc pax -B option does not mention interactio o [2002/08/02] docs/41270 doc confusing directions for kernelconfig cha o [2002/08/19] docs/41791 doc Documentation formatting error o [2002/08/20] docs/41807 doc natd -punch_fw "bug" o [2002/08/20] docs/41820 doc Device driver confusion in Handbook (2.3) a [2002/08/27] docs/42058 doc Documentation: Installing Oracle 8i onto o [2002/10/04] docs/43651 doc stab(5) incorrectly states to include jus o [2002/10/09] docs/43861 doc non-trivial typo in wicontrol man page o [2002/10/11] docs/43941 doc Rationale for Upgrade Sequence o [2002/10/15] docs/44074 doc ln(1) manual clarifications [patch] o [2002/10/23] docs/44400 doc ipfw(8) has contradictions in bridged and o [2002/10/24] docs/44435 doc sysctl manpage: add example for tcsh o [2002/10/29] docs/44594 doc Handbook doesn't mention drivers.flp for o [2002/12/02] docs/45940 doc burncd missing info o [2002/12/11] docs/46196 doc Missing return value in (set_)menu_format o [2002/12/16] docs/46291 doc correlation between HZ kernel config para o [2002/12/16] docs/46295 doc please add information to Nvi recovery em o [2003/01/06] docs/46793 doc DEVICE_POLLING can not be used with SMP, o [2003/01/28] docs/47575 doc Clarify requirements for IPFW2 in STABLE o [2003/01/28] docs/47594 doc [PATH] passwd(5) incorrectly states allow o [2003/01/30] docs/47690 doc builtin(1) manpage is wrong about externa o [2003/01/31] docs/47705 doc wc(1) manpage has poor explanations. f [2003/02/02] docs/47818 doc ln(1) manpage is confusing f [2003/02/07] docs/48038 doc [PATCH] add Tips and Tricks section into o [2003/02/28] docs/48767 doc wrong key numbers for left/right windows o [2003/03/06] docs/48980 doc [PATCH] nsgmls -s errors and sect. 3.2.1 o [2003/03/23] docs/50211 doc [PATCH] Fix textfile creation o [2003/04/03] docs/50573 doc return values for res_query/res_search/re o [2003/04/07] docs/50677 doc [PATCH] update doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/ o [2003/04/10] docs/50773 doc NFS problems by jumbo frames to mention i o [2003/05/06] docs/51875 doc atkbd(4) adjustment o [2003/05/06] docs/51891 doc DIAGNOSTICS in ed driver manpage don't ma o [2003/05/07] docs/51921 doc ls(1) manpage lacks some information abou o [2003/05/11] docs/52071 doc [PATCH] Add more information about soft u o [2003/05/25] docs/52672 doc Porter's Handbook: couple of corrections o [2003/06/13] docs/53303 doc mount(2) man page error o [2003/06/21] docs/53575 doc Change to Handbook Section 20.9 o [2003/06/21] docs/53596 doc Updates to mt manual page o [2003/06/25] docs/53732 doc quota output and man page do not document o [2003/07/13] docs/54451 doc [patch] i386_{get|set}_ldt manual page is o [2003/07/26] docs/54879 doc man 1 jot, -r description o [2003/08/12] docs/55482 doc DUMP has access to block devices in a JAI o [2003/08/17] docs/55653 doc chflags.1 - note that not all tools chfla o [2003/09/24] docs/57153 doc S_IRWXU missing in fstat(2) man page? o [2003/09/30] docs/57388 doc INSTALL.TXT enhancement: mention ok promp o [2003/10/04] docs/57569 doc error on gensetdefs(8) man page o [2003/10/13] docs/57926 doc amd.conf.5 poorly format as it has both m o [2003/10/13] docs/57974 doc man page apropos for select macros (FD_SE o [2003/10/13] docs/57978 doc Type miss of GPIB in Hardware Notes o [2003/10/16] docs/58111 doc Handbook 12.4.3 Rebuilding ATA RAID1 Arra o [2003/10/28] docs/58615 doc update for Vinum chapter of Handbook: des o [2003/10/30] docs/58710 doc killpg(2) contains an error regarding sen o [2003/11/07] docs/59044 doc doc.docbook.mk does not properly handle a o [2003/11/19] docs/59477 doc Outdated Info Documents at http://docs.fr o [2003/11/21] docs/59565 doc [PATCH] FAQ doesn't cover definition of g o [2003/11/24] docs/59649 doc Outdated 4.4BSD Documents at http://docs. o [2003/11/30] docs/59835 doc ipfw(8) man page does not warn about acce o [2003/12/23] docs/60529 doc resolver(5) man page is badly out of date o [2003/12/24] docs/60544 doc getenv(3) manpage doesn't state the retur o [2004/01/08] docs/61070 doc Installation docs misleading: PResizer i o [2004/01/13] docs/61301 doc [patch] Manpage patch for aue(4) to enabl o [2004/01/21] docs/61667 doc Obsolete documentation on FreeBSD PnP o [2004/01/25] docs/61859 doc Incorrect informaiton about trace command o [2004/01/25] docs/61878 doc LSI megaraid 150-x cards not included in o [2004/02/04] docs/62364 doc Misleading information in the handbook o [2004/02/05] docs/62402 doc easily circumventable Blade150 problem o [2004/02/06] docs/62412 doc one of the diskless boot methods describe o [2004/02/12] docs/62719 doc cross-reference pccardd and devd o [2004/02/12] docs/62724 doc host(1) manpage does not include informat o [2004/02/16] docs/62914 doc Reference development(7) in other parts o o [2004/02/22] docs/63215 doc Wrong prototypes in mi_switch(9) (ref doc o [2004/03/03] docs/63676 doc [patch] Fix some tag errors. o [2004/03/03] docs/63719 doc lptcontrol(8) manpage omits -s from a lis o [2004/03/05] docs/63808 doc No manpage for devfs.conf o [2004/03/27] docs/64807 doc Handbook section on NAT incomplete o [2004/04/02] docs/65065 doc improper language ntpd man pages o [2004/04/13] docs/65477 doc Installation Instruction fail to mention o [2004/04/14] docs/65530 doc minor improvement to getgrent.3 o [2004/04/22] docs/65895 doc incorrect "omshell" link in "dhclient" ma o [2004/04/26] docs/65988 doc incorrect references to ppp.conf in handb o [2004/04/29] docs/66091 doc ppp(8) docs out-of-date for -CURRENT o [2004/05/04] docs/66264 doc [patch] libexec/rtld/rtld.1 typo fixes no o [2004/05/04] docs/66265 doc [patch] Document what -f and LD_TRACE_LOA o [2004/05/05] docs/66296 doc [patch] contrib/amd/amq/amq.8 uses log_op o [2004/05/07] docs/66343 doc unlisted supported card on man page for w o [2004/05/09] docs/66426 doc handbook update (desktop section): web br o [2004/05/10] docs/66483 doc [patch] share/man/man4/csa.4 grammar nits o [2004/05/17] docs/66768 doc 4_RELENG share/man/man4/ng_one2many.4 MFC o [2004/05/17] docs/66770 doc [patch] share/man/man4/ng_pppoe.4 tyops, o [2004/05/23] docs/67078 doc [patch] MFC of a rtld(1) man page is inco f [2004/06/10] docs/67806 doc Let 5.x users know how to boot into singl o [2004/06/13] docs/67893 doc boot.8's -m description is insufficient. o [2004/06/28] docs/68453 doc [patch] rc.subr.8 o [2004/07/02] docs/68606 doc Porter's Handbook: document how to write o [2004/07/09] docs/68843 doc Dates on rc.subr(8) & rc(8) are whack. o [2004/07/09] docs/68845 doc The .At macro produces unexpected results o [2004/07/19] docs/69271 doc Porter's Handbook: hint on proper pkg-mes o [2004/07/21] docs/69383 doc disklabel = bsdlabel in 5.X or later o [2004/08/03] docs/69968 doc minor clarification in mac glossary o [2004/08/09] docs/70217 doc Suggested rewrite of docproj/sgml.sgml o [2004/08/11] docs/70310 doc [PATCH] Add information about DragonFly o [2004/08/16] docs/70506 doc re_format(7) contains many extra '=' o [2004/08/19] docs/70652 doc New man page: portindex(5) o [2004/08/23] docs/70856 doc List of flags and their aliases in `man 1 o [2004/08/24] docs/70916 doc msync.2 manpage update o [2004/08/25] docs/70943 doc remove -k from gdb.1 manual o [2004/09/10] docs/71555 doc how to run matlab on 5.2 o [2004/09/14] docs/71735 doc Update Road Map for 5-STABLE: ia64 and sc o [2004/09/14] docs/71737 doc [PATCH] FAQ update: Binary drivers from N o [2004/09/14] docs/71739 doc amd.8 points to old web-page o [2004/09/16] docs/71782 doc mount_nfs man page is a bit out of date o [2004/09/17] docs/71826 doc [PATCH] Whitespace cleanup o [2004/09/18] docs/71862 doc [PATCH] FAQ update: Use entity &xorg; ins 154 problems total. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 11:06:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F9816A4CE; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:06:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C66243D48; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:06:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1C9M04-0001iB-TR; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:06:28 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:06:28 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Brad Davis Message-ID: <20040920110628.GA2493@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Brad Davis , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org, Hiroki Sato References: <20040918.161309.35654157.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20040919105246.GW1538@submonkey.net> <200409191740.06579.so14k@so14k.com> <200409191905.56649.so14k@so14k.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200409191905.56649.so14k@so14k.com> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org cc: Hiroki Sato cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:06:30 -0000 --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 07:05:56PM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > On Sunday 19 September 2004 17:40, Brad Davis wrote: > > On Sunday 19 September 2004 04:52, Ceri Davies wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 11:51:26AM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > > > > On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 10:24:19AM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > > > > > On Sat, September 18, 2004 1:13 am, Hiroki Sato said: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > As announced, the doc/ tree is now in a slush. Please postpone > > > > > > all non-essential changes until after the doc/ tree is tagged > > > > > > (currently scheduled for 24 September, 2004). > > > > > > > > > > > > While this is not a real freeze, if you need to commit a > > > > > > relatively large change to fix or improve our documentation for > > > > > > 5.3-RELEASE, please put a note for translators onto your commit > > > > > > log. > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I have a complete rewrite of the Firewall section. I have been tr= ying > > > > > to work with Tom, but I think he is busy doing other stuff. I wou= ld > > > > > like to see this make it in before the 5.3 release. If anyone is > > > > > interested I have patches and the HTML output here: > > > > > > > > > > http://freebsd.so14k.com/firewall/ > > > > > > > > > > It needs to be merged against the current version of the handbook, > > > > > but that shouldn't be too hard. > > > > > > > > Comment #1 Brad: there are whitespace changes mixed in here. With a > > > > patch of this size, that's bad (because it means it will take a long > > > > time for someone to take them out again). > > > > > > You are also missing a element for your entry in the > > > authorgroup. > > > > > > I'll read the rest of it before I reply again, I promise. ;-) > > > > I'll begin working on this now. I'd like to invite all of you to help m= e on > > IRC in #freebsd-doc on irc.freenode.net. >=20 > Whitespace cleaned up and entry added o' Capitan! Nice one, thanks. Is everyone else happy (doceng/translators) if this were to go in before the release? Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBTrm0ocfcwTS3JF8RAiOsAKCO7tRdZ8T21JNiW0o8QUbdyxswPACfYX8u nA+tz9Xr1+mig1BUFRGKYrI= =R9y1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 11:06:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F9816A4CE; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:06:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C66243D48; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:06:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1C9M04-0001iB-TR; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:06:28 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:06:28 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Brad Davis Message-ID: <20040920110628.GA2493@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Brad Davis , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org, Hiroki Sato References: <20040918.161309.35654157.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20040919105246.GW1538@submonkey.net> <200409191740.06579.so14k@so14k.com> <200409191905.56649.so14k@so14k.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200409191905.56649.so14k@so14k.com> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org cc: Hiroki Sato cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:06:30 -0000 --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 07:05:56PM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > On Sunday 19 September 2004 17:40, Brad Davis wrote: > > On Sunday 19 September 2004 04:52, Ceri Davies wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 11:51:26AM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > > > > On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 10:24:19AM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > > > > > On Sat, September 18, 2004 1:13 am, Hiroki Sato said: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > As announced, the doc/ tree is now in a slush. Please postpone > > > > > > all non-essential changes until after the doc/ tree is tagged > > > > > > (currently scheduled for 24 September, 2004). > > > > > > > > > > > > While this is not a real freeze, if you need to commit a > > > > > > relatively large change to fix or improve our documentation for > > > > > > 5.3-RELEASE, please put a note for translators onto your commit > > > > > > log. > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I have a complete rewrite of the Firewall section. I have been tr= ying > > > > > to work with Tom, but I think he is busy doing other stuff. I wou= ld > > > > > like to see this make it in before the 5.3 release. If anyone is > > > > > interested I have patches and the HTML output here: > > > > > > > > > > http://freebsd.so14k.com/firewall/ > > > > > > > > > > It needs to be merged against the current version of the handbook, > > > > > but that shouldn't be too hard. > > > > > > > > Comment #1 Brad: there are whitespace changes mixed in here. With a > > > > patch of this size, that's bad (because it means it will take a long > > > > time for someone to take them out again). > > > > > > You are also missing a element for your entry in the > > > authorgroup. > > > > > > I'll read the rest of it before I reply again, I promise. ;-) > > > > I'll begin working on this now. I'd like to invite all of you to help m= e on > > IRC in #freebsd-doc on irc.freenode.net. >=20 > Whitespace cleaned up and entry added o' Capitan! Nice one, thanks. Is everyone else happy (doceng/translators) if this were to go in before the release? Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBTrm0ocfcwTS3JF8RAiOsAKCO7tRdZ8T21JNiW0o8QUbdyxswPACfYX8u nA+tz9Xr1+mig1BUFRGKYrI= =R9y1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 11:24:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C80016A4CE for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:24:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (eos.ocn.ne.jp [222.146.51.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C48943D39 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:24:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from delta.allbsd.org (p43012-adsao12honb4-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp [219.161.232.12]) by smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4208E3188; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:24:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (alph.allbsd.org [192.168.0.10]) by delta.allbsd.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i8KBNdbT007507; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:23:40 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:23:13 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20040920.202313.18282358.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> To: ceri@submonkey.net From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <20040920110628.GA2493@submonkey.net> References: <200409191740.06579.so14k@so14k.com> <200409191905.56649.so14k@so14k.com> <20040920110628.GA2493@submonkey.net> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 4.0.68 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Mon_Sep_20_20_23_13_2004_983)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:24:14 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Mon_Sep_20_20_23_13_2004_983)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ceri Davies wrote in <20040920110628.GA2493@submonkey.net>: ceri> Is everyone else happy (doceng/translators) if this were to go in before ceri> the release? Yes, please commit it as soon as possible. Thanks! -- | Hiroki SATO ----Security_Multipart(Mon_Sep_20_20_23_13_2004_983)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBTr2jTyzT2CeTzy0RAsmbAJ9CSHvFy+RUGBt28Bsarym4UVZ0lQCeMEMX ter3NckLG1wXCJm0DPgE0lM= =pcaE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Mon_Sep_20_20_23_13_2004_983)---- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 13:31:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE7016A4CE for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:31:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [195.170.0.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C690743D5D for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:31:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229])i8KDUjAw009638; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:30:51 +0300 Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (orion [127.0.0.1]) i8KDUW9e039209; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:30:32 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost)i8KDUPng039208; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:30:25 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:30:25 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Ceri Davies , Brad Davis Message-ID: <20040920133025.GB38865@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <20040918.161309.35654157.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20040919105246.GW1538@submonkey.net> <200409191740.06579.so14k@so14k.com> <200409191905.56649.so14k@so14k.com> <20040920110628.GA2493@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040920110628.GA2493@submonkey.net> cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: New firewall section (was: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:31:11 -0000 On 2004-09-20 12:06, Ceri Davies wrote: > > Referring to ... http://freebsd.so14k.com/firewall/ > > Is everyone else happy (doceng/translators) if this were to go in before > the release? FWIW, the new text is definitely a lot more detailed than what we already have (which is absolutely GREAT) but it has many places where a bit of improvement is needed :-/ There are a few parts that I wanted to mail Brad about asking for extra clarifications, rewordings, changes in the style and/or content of this. I just didn't get a chance to read the entire chapter carefully. Here's what I have so far: : - encryption. FreeBSD 4.4 changed libcrypt.a to : + encryption. &os;  4.4 changed libcrypt.a to There's an extra space in there which invalidates  . : - Kerberos as distributed for FreeBSD. However, you should refer to the : + Kerberos as distributed for &os; However, you should refer to the A fullstop has been trimmed here... : - during the initial installation of FreeBSD. This will install : + during the initial installation of &os; This will install ... and here. : + : + Brad : + Davis : + Converted and Updated by : + Can we write this as: Converted to SGML and updated by A conversion usually has a target format ;-) : + An Introduction : + All software firewall applications are based on monitoring : + network packet traffic flow to and from your system. The values : + of selected packet control fields can be interrogated by : + user-written rules to allow or deny packet traffic based on your : + security needs. : + : + Selection can be based on source and destination IP address, : + the source and destination port number, the type of protocol : + used (TCP, UDP, ICMP), or any combination of the above. Firewall : + software applications provide a much, much finer level of : + control than that provided by a hardware router. They can be : + used to protect a single &os; system or a complete internal : + network (LAN) by preventing public Internet traffic from making : + arbitrary connections to your internal network. They may also be : + used to prevent public Internet entities from spoofing internal : + IP addresses and to disable services you do not want accessed : + from the public Internet or by internal LAN users. : + : + Finally, firewalls may be used to support NAT (network : + address translation), which allows an internal network using : + private IP addresses to share a single connection to the public : + Internet, or letting commercial users share a range of static : + public IP address automatically among the Lan users. It seems like too much has been squeezed to fit in a single paragraph of text. Parts of the first paragraph are explained in the second, along with what a firewall can or cannot do. NAT was initially left out but added later on as a third paragraph. This would probably look a bit less confusing if written in a slightly different style: % Introduction % % All software-based firewalls provide some way to filter incoming % and outgoing traffic that flows through your system. The firewall % uses one or more sets of rules to inspect the network % packets as they come in or go out of your network connections and % either allows the traffic through or blocks it. The rules of the % firewall can inspect one or more characteristics of the packets, % including but not limited to: the protocol type, the source or % destination host address and the source or destination port. % % Firewalls greatly enhance the security of your network, your % applications and services. They can be used to do one of more of % the following things: % % % % To protect and insulate the applications, services and % machines of your internal network from unwanted traffic coming % in from the public Internet. % % % % To limit or disable access from hosts of the internal % network to services of the public Internet. % % % % To support network address translation (NAT), which allows % your internal network to use private IP addresses and share a % single connection to the public Internet (either with a single % IP address or by a shared pool of automatically assigned public % addresses). % % In ``Firewall Rule Set Types'' the words ``inclusive'' and ``exclusive'' should probably be quoted the first time they're used (a glossary entry would be nice too near that first use). A few whitespace issues still remain, e.g. this: : + An exclusive firewall allows all services through except : + for those matching a set of rules that block certain services. : + should probably be changed to move the closing in the previous line (or pull ``services.'' one line further below, if wrapping is an issue). Extra whitespace like this can probably cause unwanted whitespace in the output too, if the stylesheets aren't paranoid about trimming EOL-EOP whitespace (end of line, end of paragraph). : + When you use your browser to access a web site there are : + many internal functions that happen before your screen fills : + with the data from the target web site. Your browser does not : + receive one large file containing all the data and display : + format instructions at one time. Each internal function accesses : + the public Internet in multiple send/receive cycles of packets : + of information. When all the packets containing the data finally : + arrive, the data contained in the packets is combined together : + to fill your screen. Each service has its own port number. The : + port number 80 is for web page services. So you can code your : + firewall to only allow web page session start requests : + originating from your LAN to pass through the firewall out to : + the public Internet. What is a ``service''? It sort of jumps out of this paragraph to the unwary reader without any apparent relation to the web site introduction above it. : + &os; has two different firewall software products built : + into the base system. They are IPFILTER (i.e. also known as IPF) : + and IPFIREWALL (i.e. also known as IPFW). IPFIREWALL has the : + built in dummynet traffic shaper facilities for controlling : + bandwidth usage. DUMMYNET is optional and has to explicitly be enabled. It's also a kernel option like IPFIREWALL and IPFILTER, so it should probably be capitalized too if the first two are. : + The IPFW sample rule set (found in : + /etc/rc.firewall) delivered in the basic : + install is outdated, complicated and does not use stateful : + rules on the interface facing the public Internet. It : + exclusively uses legacy stateless rules which only have the : + ability to open or close the service ports. The IPFW example : + stateful rules sets presented here supercede the : + /etc/firewall.rc file distributed with the : + system. What are the ``service ports'' referred to here? : + The OpenBSD PF user's guide is here: : + . : + Please trim the unnecessary whitespace here too. : + The author of IPFILTER is Darren Reed. IPFILTER is not : + operating system dependent. IPFILTER is a open source : + application and has been ported to &os;, NetBSD, OpenBSD, : + Sun, HP, and Solaris operating systems. IPFILTER is actively : + being supported and maintained, with updated versions being : + released regularly. Sun and HP are not operating systems. Perhaps SunOS and HP/UX was meant to be added here near Solaris? : + The IPFILTER program runs in the kernel and consists of the : + firewall and separate NAT facilities. IPFILTER also has : + user-land front-end interactive interfaces for controlling the : + firewall rules, NAT, packet accounting, and the logging : + facility. Program IPF is used to load the firewall rules. : + Program IPNAT is used to load the firewall NAT rules. Program : + IPFSTAT reports on packet filter statistics and lists active : + rules sets. Program IPMON monitors IPFILTER for logged packets. : + The syntax of this paragraph is, well, strange. "Program FOO does BAR" doesn't really make sense in English. Almost every sentence of this has to be changed to something else: % IPFILTER is based on a kernel-side firewall and NAT mechanism % that can be controlled and monitored by userland interface programs. % The firewall rules can be set or deleted with the &man.ipf.8; % utility. The NAT rules can be set or deleted with the &man.ipnat.8; % utility. The &man.ipfstat.8; utility can print run-time statistics % for the kernel parts of IPFILTER. The &man.ipmon.8; program can log % IPFILTER actions to the system log files. There are a few places where verbatim quotes are used. These should probably be replaced with , or other SGML elements. : + of "the last matching rule wins" and used only stateless type of : : : + using rules that contain the 'quick' option and the stateful : : : + 'keep state' option. This is the basic framework for coding an I haven't had time to review the rest of the text, but since everyone is anxious to get this committed (which I fully understand), I'll probably wait until after 5.3-RELEASE to do a sweep of the security chapter and propose a cleanup diff. Giorgos From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 14:08:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729BE16A4CE; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:08:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF7D43D48; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:08:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1C9Opk-0002v4-0o; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:08:00 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:07:59 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Giorgos Keramidas Message-ID: <20040920140759.GD2493@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Giorgos Keramidas , Brad Davis , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <20040918.161309.35654157.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20040919105246.GW1538@submonkey.net> <200409191740.06579.so14k@so14k.com> <200409191905.56649.so14k@so14k.com> <20040920110628.GA2493@submonkey.net> <20040920133025.GB38865@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="a2FkP9tdjPU2nyhF" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040920133025.GB38865@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New firewall section (was: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:08:02 -0000 --a2FkP9tdjPU2nyhF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 04:30:25PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2004-09-20 12:06, Ceri Davies wrote: > > > > Referring to ... http://freebsd.so14k.com/firewall/ > > > > Is everyone else happy (doceng/translators) if this were to go in before > > the release? >=20 > FWIW, the new text is definitely a lot more detailed than what we already= have > (which is absolutely GREAT) but it has many places where a bit of improve= ment > is needed :-/ >=20 > There are a few parts that I wanted to mail Brad about asking for extra > clarifications, rewordings, changes in the style and/or content of this. > I just didn't get a chance to read the entire chapter carefully. If you're available now, and would like to work at this, please do. I haven't read the whole patch yet either, and won't until this evening at the earliest. I pretty much only have evenings available for a good time from now. I'd rather this was correct before it gets committed, especially as I believe that the current text is simply less shiny as opposed to incorrect. Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --a2FkP9tdjPU2nyhF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBTuQ/ocfcwTS3JF8RAoFcAJ0V8DKX7qXR0WHaNFxjbTChi6bWUwCeOpIP Shj5HG9YHm9PQmex9/jSDRs= =LMCV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --a2FkP9tdjPU2nyhF-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 14:16:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BBD16A4CE for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:16:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kane.otenet.gr (kane.otenet.gr [195.170.0.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8FDC43D41 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:16:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229])i8KEGK3K005064; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:16:31 +0300 Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (orion [127.0.0.1]) i8KEG9oJ001177; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:16:09 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost)i8KEG4mS001176; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:16:04 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:16:04 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Ceri Davies , Brad Davis , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040920141604.GA1156@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <20040918.161309.35654157.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20040919105246.GW1538@submonkey.net> <200409191740.06579.so14k@so14k.com> <200409191905.56649.so14k@so14k.com> <20040920110628.GA2493@submonkey.net> <20040920133025.GB38865@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> <20040920140759.GD2493@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040920140759.GD2493@submonkey.net> Subject: Re: New firewall section (was: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:16:58 -0000 On 2004-09-20 15:07, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 04:30:25PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > On 2004-09-20 12:06, Ceri Davies wrote: > > > > > > Referring to ... http://freebsd.so14k.com/firewall/ > > > > > > Is everyone else happy (doceng/translators) if this were to go in before > > > the release? > > > > There are a few parts that I wanted to mail Brad about asking for extra > > clarifications, rewordings, changes in the style and/or content of this. > > I just didn't get a chance to read the entire chapter carefully. > > If you're available now, and would like to work at this, please do. I'm at work, so there's an upper limit of the time I can spend on `other' tasks, but I'll try to send you a review until later tonight :) From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 16:00:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03A416A4D3 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:00:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B629243D5D for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:00:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (acs-24-154-239-170.zoominternet.net [24.154.239.170]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8KG0Fex015075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:00:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:00:56 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Giorgos Keramidas Message-Id: <20040920120056.263e66c1@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20040920141604.GA1156@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <20040918.161309.35654157.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20040919105246.GW1538@submonkey.net> <200409191740.06579.so14k@so14k.com> <200409191905.56649.so14k@so14k.com> <20040920110628.GA2493@submonkey.net> <20040920133025.GB38865@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> <20040920140759.GD2493@submonkey.net> <20040920141604.GA1156@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Ceri Davies Subject: Re: New firewall section (was: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:00:51 -0000 Hello, I would personally like to thank you all for helping me while I was away working on other parts of the tree. Since the specific BIND9 glue has not been committed yet; my doc work may be sporadic at best. But you've all just really helped out a lot and I'm extremely appreciative. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 16:13:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA0516A4CE; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:13:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [195.170.0.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3248643D49; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:12:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229])i8KGCtp1028151; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:12:55 +0300 Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (orion [127.0.0.1]) i8KGCkC4038174; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:12:46 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost)i8KGCkIg038173; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:12:46 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:12:46 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Ceri Davies , Brad Davis Message-ID: <20040920161246.GA19738@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <20040918.161309.35654157.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20040919105246.GW1538@submonkey.net> <200409191740.06579.so14k@so14k.com> <200409191905.56649.so14k@so14k.com> <20040920110628.GA2493@submonkey.net> <20040920133025.GB38865@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> <20040920140759.GD2493@submonkey.net> <20040920141604.GA1156@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040920141604.GA1156@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New firewall section (was: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:13:00 -0000 On 2004-09-20 17:16, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2004-09-20 15:07, Ceri Davies wrote: > > If you're available now, and would like to work at this, please do. > > I'm at work, so there's an upper limit of the time I can spend on > `other' tasks, but I'll try to send you a review until later tonight :) I think this needs a fair bit of work, but if I find the time to sit down and reorganize, copy, paste, merge and test all of the changes I have in mind, I'll reply again later tonight. Right now, all I have is a comparative TOC for the two sections (before and after the patch submitted by Brad). OLD LAYOUT | NEW LAYOUT ========================================|====================================== | + Introduction | + Introduction | + What Is a Firewall? | + Firewall Rule Set Types - Packet Filtering Routers | - Proxy Servers | + Firewall Software Applications | + What does IPFW allow me to do? | + OpenBSD's PF Firewall | + Enabling IPFW on FreeBSD | + The IPFILTER (IPF) Firewall | - Enabling IPF + Configuring IPFW | - Kernel Options - Altering the IPFW Rules | - Available rc.conf Options - Listing the IPFW Rules | - IPF - Flushing the IPFW Rules | - IPFSTAT - Clearing the IPFW Packet Counters | - IPMON | - IPMON Logging + Example Commands for IPFW | - The Format of Logged Messages | - Building the Rule Script + Building a Packet Filtering Firewall | - IPF Rule Sets | - IPF Rule Syntax + IPFW Overhead and Optimization | . ACTION | . IN-OUT | . OPTIONS | . SELECTION | . PROTO | . SRC_ADDR/DST_ADDR | . PORT | . TCP_FLAG | . STATEFUL | - Stateful Filtering | - Inclusive Rule set Example | - NAT | - IPNAT | - IPNAT Rules | - How NAT Works | - Enabling IPNAT | - NAT for a Very Large LAN | . Assigning Ports to Use | . Using a pool of public | addresses | - Port Redirection | - FTP and NAT | . IPNAT Rules | . IPNAT FTP Filter Rules | . FTP NAT Proxy Bug | | + IPFW | - Enabling IPFW | - Kernel Options | - /etc/rc.conf Options | - The IPFW Command | - IPFW Rule Sets | . Rule Syntax | . CMD | . RULE# | . ACTION | . Logging | . Selection | . Stateful Rule Option | . Logging Firewall Messages | . Building Rule Script | . Stateful Ruleset | . An Example Inclusive Ruleset | . An Example NAT and Stateful | Ruleset | ________________________________________|______________________________________ It's obvious with just a quick glance that the proposed patch contains a hell of a lot more material than the original chapter. It also removes some parts that I consider useful[1]; it lacks a fair bit in the area of organization and presentation of the topics discussed[2]; it contains several forward references[3] and pushes with a bit more strength than I'd like for an ``inclusive'' type of firewall for all FreeBSD installations. Most of these, especially the last point, are things I've discussed with Joseph J. Barbish in the past on -questions and privately. Now that this has finally (yeah, it was abou time!) started being integrated to the Handbook, I'd like to ask for approval from Joseph, Brad (who put a tremendous amount of work in this already), Ceri and our translators to hold back for a couple of days until I reshape this a bit. It's great stuff. I most certainly want it in the Handbook for 5.3-RELEASE. But it's going to take at least a couple of days until I have something to show you all, and I'm not sure if asking for a delay so close to the tagging of the doc/ tree for 5.3-RELEASE is reasonable. What do you all think? Do we have the time to spend a few days organizing, enhancing and bringing this new wonderful piece of documentation into the Handbook? It's a big diff (more than 3000 lines now) and I'm a bit worried the translators won't really have the time to work on this even if it goes in CVS tonight. - Giorgos PS: I don't have Joseph's email address anymore. Can someone (i.e. Brad) forward this to him, in case he's not subscribed to the -doc list. ----- Notes ----- [1] I'm referring to the IPFW overhead section and the introductory material of the original text which is IMHO in a better shape and contains a lot more details about what this section is about, what a firewall is and why it's useful. [2] The sub-sections and sub-sub-sections of IPF and IPFW seem to be just a mixed listing of concepts, commands, tools and ideas. I'd prefer something that resembled `theoretical background' near the beginning and a `task driven' list at the end of each different firewall-type with a lot of the common theory stuff moved as far up as possible. [3] For instance, in the IPF sub-section ``Building the Rule Script'' is before the explanation of what a ``rule set'' is. There are a few more, but I have to give a good look at this before I decide what's in the right place and what is not. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 16:18:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAFF16A4CE; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:18:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CDA943D3F; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:18:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:18:22 -0500 Message-ID: <414F02CA.3040808@daleco.biz> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:18:18 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040712 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Rhodes References: <20040919122112.B56801@woozle.rinet.ru> <20040919105242.4ae37b40@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20040919105242.4ae37b40@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2004 16:18:22.0859 (UTC) FILETIME=[7337ADB0:01C49F2D] cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org cc: Dmitry Morozovsky Subject: Re: committers guide inconsistency X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:18:22 -0000 Tom Rhodes wrote: >On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:24:32 +0400 (MSD) >Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: > >Hey Dmitry, long time no chat. :) > > > >>Dear colleagues, >> >> >> >> How long is a ports freeze? >> >> >> >> Usually an hour or two. >> >> >> >> >>However, for at least last couple of 4.x and 5.x releases, ports freeze lasts >>for one to free weeks. Possibly, time to update the guide? >> >> > >Are you not a doc committer too? If so then just fix it >with a mentor approved patch; if not then send a patch to the >list and someone will pick it up. Or something along those >lines. If you think it's easier to fix outright then let me >know. Thanks! > > Seems the favored term is "slush" rather than "freeze" for /doc since 4.10, anyway ... do they have "slush" in .ru, or is everything frozen year-round ?? :-D Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 17:02:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1F916A4D0; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:02:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F1243D2F; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:02:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (acs-24-154-239-170.zoominternet.net [24.154.239.170]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8KH2cex015318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:02:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:03:19 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Giorgos Keramidas Message-Id: <20040920130319.562e0c8a@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20040920161246.GA19738@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <20040918.161309.35654157.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20040919105246.GW1538@submonkey.net> <200409191740.06579.so14k@so14k.com> <200409191905.56649.so14k@so14k.com> <20040920110628.GA2493@submonkey.net> <20040920133025.GB38865@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> <20040920140759.GD2493@submonkey.net> <20040920141604.GA1156@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> <20040920161246.GA19738@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New firewall section (was: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:02:41 -0000 On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:12:46 +0300 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2004-09-20 17:16, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > On 2004-09-20 15:07, Ceri Davies wrote: > > > If you're available now, and would like to work at this, please do. > > > > I'm at work, so there's an upper limit of the time I can spend on > > `other' tasks, but I'll try to send you a review until later tonight :) > > I think this needs a fair bit of work, but if I find the time to sit down and > reorganize, copy, paste, merge and test all of the changes I have in mind, > I'll reply again later tonight. Right now, all I have is a comparative TOC > for the two sections (before and after the patch submitted by Brad). > Your request, to me, sounds extremely valid. I'll begin the work of writing the PF section while you work away on this. I made a promise to one Max Laier and one Robert Watson that I would consider getting this done before 5.3. Thanks! -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 17:12:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A63B16A4CE; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:12:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7E743D2D; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:12:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1C9Rii-0004As-R2; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:12:56 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:12:56 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Giorgos Keramidas Message-ID: <20040920171256.GE2493@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Giorgos Keramidas , Brad Davis , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <20040918.161309.35654157.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20040919105246.GW1538@submonkey.net> <200409191740.06579.so14k@so14k.com> <200409191905.56649.so14k@so14k.com> <20040920110628.GA2493@submonkey.net> <20040920133025.GB38865@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> <20040920140759.GD2493@submonkey.net> <20040920141604.GA1156@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> <20040920161246.GA19738@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JBi0ZxuS5uaEhkUZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040920161246.GA19738@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New firewall section (was: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:12:58 -0000 --JBi0ZxuS5uaEhkUZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 07:12:46PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > Most of these, especially the last point, are things I've discussed with > Joseph J. Barbish in the past on -questions and privately. Now that this= has > finally (yeah, it was abou time!) started being integrated to the Handboo= k, > I'd like to ask for approval from Joseph, Brad (who put a tremendous amou= nt of > work in this already), Ceri and our translators to hold back for a couple= of > days until I reshape this a bit. No objection from here. Let me know if you need help. Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --JBi0ZxuS5uaEhkUZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBTw+YocfcwTS3JF8RAqMyAJ0VZD1DdwSh3tMuAaK+GaDKT3VWRACfXjOq L76/JFAmFBZqWBz+hpRvHY4= =iDfP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --JBi0ZxuS5uaEhkUZ-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 17:15:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58DA016A4CE; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:15:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39A143D3F; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:15:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1C9Rkw-0004Cg-CD; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:15:14 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:15:14 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Marc Fonvieille Message-ID: <20040920171514.GF2493@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Marc Fonvieille , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org References: <200409171850.i8HIoBs7030039@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MZf7D3rAEoQgPanC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200409171850.i8HIoBs7030039@freefall.freebsd.org> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/71826: [PATCH] Whitespace cleanup X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:15:15 -0000 --MZf7D3rAEoQgPanC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 06:50:11PM +0000, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > The following reply was made to PR docs/71826; it has been noted by GNATS. >=20 > From: Marc Fonvieille > To: Joel Dahl > Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: docs/71826: [PATCH] Whitespace cleanup > Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:42:45 +0200 >=20 > On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 08:27:45PM +0200, Joel Dahl wrote: > > >Description: > > The attached patch fixes some whitespaces in > > doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/multimedia/chapter.sgml > > > =20 > This was often discussed in past (consult the freebsd-doc archives). > With often the same result: when it's not "mandatory", we leave the > things in this state. If this is the consensual view (I don't recall the discussion), then please close the PR. Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --MZf7D3rAEoQgPanC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBTxAiocfcwTS3JF8RAnxSAKCMy6O2q6uy6sGUvWZfgOwUbJ+PPQCeLsIf YtkCtnTCiW49Ekcn/0Kj/Ig= =h3Yc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MZf7D3rAEoQgPanC-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 17:20:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5524A16A4CE for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:20:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490EF43D39 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:20:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KHKTA4066014 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:20:29 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8KHKT9i066013; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:20:29 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:20:29 GMT Message-Id: <200409201720.i8KHKT9i066013@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Ceri Davies Subject: Re: docs/71826: [PATCH] Whitespace cleanup X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ceri Davies List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:20:29 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/71826; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ceri Davies To: Marc Fonvieille Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/71826: [PATCH] Whitespace cleanup Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:15:14 +0100 --MZf7D3rAEoQgPanC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 06:50:11PM +0000, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > The following reply was made to PR docs/71826; it has been noted by GNATS. >=20 > From: Marc Fonvieille > To: Joel Dahl > Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: docs/71826: [PATCH] Whitespace cleanup > Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:42:45 +0200 >=20 > On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 08:27:45PM +0200, Joel Dahl wrote: > > >Description: > > The attached patch fixes some whitespaces in > > doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/multimedia/chapter.sgml > > > =20 > This was often discussed in past (consult the freebsd-doc archives). > With often the same result: when it's not "mandatory", we leave the > things in this state. If this is the consensual view (I don't recall the discussion), then please close the PR. Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --MZf7D3rAEoQgPanC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBTxAiocfcwTS3JF8RAnxSAKCMy6O2q6uy6sGUvWZfgOwUbJ+PPQCeLsIf YtkCtnTCiW49Ekcn/0Kj/Ig= =h3Yc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MZf7D3rAEoQgPanC-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 17:27:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29FCA16A4CE; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:27:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F53843D41; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:27:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8KHRYMU048209; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:27:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8KHRX7r048208; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:27:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:27:33 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Giorgos Keramidas Message-ID: <20040920172733.GC47164@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20040918.161309.35654157.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20040919105246.GW1538@submonkey.net> <200409191740.06579.so14k@so14k.com> <200409191905.56649.so14k@so14k.com> <20040920110628.GA2493@submonkey.net> <20040920133025.GB38865@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> <20040920140759.GD2493@submonkey.net> <20040920141604.GA1156@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> <20040920161246.GA19738@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040920161246.GA19738@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-PRERELEASE cc: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New firewall section (was: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:27:39 -0000 On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 07:12:46PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: [...] > > It's great stuff. I most certainly want it in the Handbook for 5.3-RELEASE. > But it's going to take at least a couple of days until I have something to > show you all, and I'm not sure if asking for a delay so close to the tagging > of the doc/ tree for 5.3-RELEASE is reasonable. > > What do you all think? Do we have the time to spend a few days organizing, > enhancing and bringing this new wonderful piece of documentation into the > Handbook? It's a big diff (more than 3000 lines now) and I'm a bit worried > the translators won't really have the time to work on this even if it goes in > CVS tonight. > It's a shame everyone awake just after the doc/ slush announce and not earlier after some reminders :))) Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 17:27:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831E916A4CE; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:27:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D4943D5A; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:27:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8KHRsU2048242; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:27:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8KHRsgL048241; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:27:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:27:54 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Giorgos Keramidas Message-ID: <20040920172733.GC47164@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20040918.161309.35654157.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20040919105246.GW1538@submonkey.net> <200409191740.06579.so14k@so14k.com> <200409191905.56649.so14k@so14k.com> <20040920110628.GA2493@submonkey.net> <20040920133025.GB38865@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> <20040920140759.GD2493@submonkey.net> <20040920141604.GA1156@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> <20040920161246.GA19738@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040920161246.GA19738@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-PRERELEASE cc: doceng@freebsd.org cc: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New firewall section (was: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:27:56 -0000 On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 07:12:46PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: [...] > > It's great stuff. I most certainly want it in the Handbook for 5.3-RELEASE. > But it's going to take at least a couple of days until I have something to > show you all, and I'm not sure if asking for a delay so close to the tagging > of the doc/ tree for 5.3-RELEASE is reasonable. > > What do you all think? Do we have the time to spend a few days organizing, > enhancing and bringing this new wonderful piece of documentation into the > Handbook? It's a big diff (more than 3000 lines now) and I'm a bit worried > the translators won't really have the time to work on this even if it goes in > CVS tonight. > It's a shame everyone awake just after the doc/ slush announce and not earlier after some reminders :))) Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 17:48:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E2416A4CE for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:48:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E17243D54 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:48:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1C9SH6-0004fn-RX; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:48:28 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:48:28 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Remko Lodder Message-ID: <20040920174828.GH2493@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Remko Lodder , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <414C2915.8000309@elvandar.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OgApRN/oydYDdnYz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <414C2915.8000309@elvandar.org> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question regarding 'placeholders' (Translations) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:48:30 -0000 --OgApRN/oydYDdnYz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 02:24:53PM +0200, Remko Lodder wrote: > Hi there, >=20 > I asked in a reply to Xin Li and Denis Peplin, i want to define > a correct and global agreement on how we as translation teams > should use placeholders. >=20 > The Dutch Project follows the style of the German Project, > while the Russian Project does that in another way. >=20 > How do the German/Dutch projects handle the placeholders? >=20 > Like this: >=20 > > * Translated title >=20 > > >=20 > How does the Russian Project handle this? >=20 > > Translated title * >=20 > > >=20 > Can we please decide what works best, and use that globally? Well, the "correct" way to do this would be to use the releaseinfo element in the places concerned - I've attached an example diff for the French handbook (fr for very mundane reasons that I won't concern anyone with here). What's wrong with this? It doesn't currently produce any output to clearly differentiate the two. That, however, is a toolchain issue that could be corrected quite easily. What's good about this? Everyone is using the same, correct, way of marking up non-translated sections/chapters which keeps the sticklers happy. Even better, everyone can render it whichever way they damn well please, which keeps the anarchists from upsetting all of the "normals". Obviously, I'm not on a translation team (the only other language I speak well is "foul"), but these are the provisions that DocBook has made for this situation. Anything else will make transitioning to anything else a major PITA if/when it ever becomes necessary. Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --OgApRN/oydYDdnYz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBTxfsocfcwTS3JF8RAiZWAJ4sNysHAg6gC0zFzNjqfJz8DiLsSQCgiPWy yMPBaDZz4TWn4kNqrgNphn4= =esru -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OgApRN/oydYDdnYz-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 17:50:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B09616A4CF for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:50:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 239F643D2D for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:50:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KHokIp066753 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:50:46 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8KHokMQ066752; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:50:46 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:50:46 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200409201750.i8KHokMQ066752@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Joel Dahl Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2AA16A4CE for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:47:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EADB743D41 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:47:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from joel@automatvapen.se) Received: by av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id E55E337F77; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:47:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D301137E75 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:47:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dude.automatvapen.se (t5o955p94.telia.com [212.181.189.94]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 553F837E48 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:47:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dude.automatvapen.se (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:47:22 +0200 Message-Id: <20040920174718.553F837E48@smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:47:22 +0200 From: "Joel Dahl" To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/71946: [PATCH] Reference X.org instead of XFree86 in "FreeBSD on Laptops" article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Joel Dahl List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:50:47 -0000 >Number: 71946 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] Reference X.org instead of XFree86 in "FreeBSD on Laptops" article >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Sep 20 17:50:46 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Joel Dahl >Release: FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p9 i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD dude.automatvapen.se 5.2.1-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p9 #1: Sat Jul 10 16:52:28 CEST 2004 root@dude.automatvapen.se:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WORKSTATION i386 >Description: The attached patch changes the laptop article to reference X.org instead of XFree86. The original link to the "Driver status page for XFree86" gave me a 404, so I removed it since I could not find anything equivalent for X.org that was static, not version dependent, feel free to correct me on this. I also removed all references to XFree86 because I think that the move from XFree86 to X.org is enough explained in the handbook. However, if needed, a note about this would be simple to add to this article. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- xorg.diff begins here --- --- article.sgml Sun Aug 8 18:28:56 2004 +++ new.article.sgml Mon Sep 20 19:34:23 2004 @@ -20,7 +20,6 @@ &tm-attrib.freebsd; &tm-attrib.linux; &tm-attrib.microsoft; - &tm-attrib.xfree86; &tm-attrib.general; @@ -50,32 +49,29 @@ the &a.mobile.name; list. - &xfree86; + &xorg; - Recent versions of &xfree86; work with most display adapters + Recent versions of &xorg; work with most display adapters available on laptops these days. Acceleration may not be supported, but a generic SVGA configuration should work. Check your laptop documentation for which card you have, - and check in the &xfree86; documentation or - the Driver Status for - &xfree86; page + and check in the &xorg; documentation to see whether it is specifically supported. If it is not, use a generic device (do not go for a name which just looks - similar). In &xfree86; version 4, you can try your luck - with the command XFree86 -configure + similar). You can try your luck + with the command Xorg -configure which auto-detects a lot of configurations. The problem often is configuring the monitor. Common - resources for &xfree86; focus on CRT monitors; getting a + resources for &xorg; focus on CRT monitors; getting a suitable modeline for an LCD display may be tricky. You may be lucky and not need to specify a modeline, or just need to specify suitable HorizSync and VertRefresh ranges. If that does not work, the best option is to check web resources devoted to configuring X on laptops (these are often Linux oriented sites but it does not matter because both systems - use &xfree86;) and copy a modeline posted by someone for similar + use &xorg;) and copy a modeline posted by someone for similar hardware. Most laptops come with two buttons on their pointing @@ -88,10 +84,8 @@ Option "Emulate3Buttons" - in the XF86Config file in the InputDevice - section (for &xfree86; version 4; for version 3, put just the line - Emulate3Buttons, without the quotes, in the - Pointer section.) + in the xorg.conf file in the InputDevice + section. @@ -292,7 +286,7 @@ Display Power Management - The X window system (&xfree86;) also includes display power + The X window system (&xorg;) also includes display power management (look at the &man.xset.1; manual page, and search for dpms there). You may want to investigate this. However, this, too, works inconsistently on laptops: it --- xorg.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 17:51:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6ECB16A4CE for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:51:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB0F43D55 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:51:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1C9SKG-0004iI-3i; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:51:44 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:51:44 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Remko Lodder Message-ID: <20040920175144.GI2493@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Remko Lodder , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <414C2915.8000309@elvandar.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Tu8ztk+XgTAiG9Id" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <414C2915.8000309@elvandar.org> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question regarding 'placeholders' (Translations) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:51:45 -0000 --Tu8ztk+XgTAiG9Id Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="54ZiyWcDhi/7bWb8" Content-Disposition: inline --54ZiyWcDhi/7bWb8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 02:24:53PM +0200, Remko Lodder wrote: > Hi there, >=20 > I asked in a reply to Xin Li and Denis Peplin, i want to define > a correct and global agreement on how we as translation teams > should use placeholders. >=20 > The Dutch Project follows the style of the German Project, > while the Russian Project does that in another way. >=20 > How do the German/Dutch projects handle the placeholders? >=20 > Like this: >=20 > > * Translated title >=20 > > >=20 > How does the Russian Project handle this? >=20 > > Translated title * >=20 > > >=20 > Can we please decide what works best, and use that globally? Well, the "correct" way to do this would be to use the releaseinfo element in the places concerned - I've attached an example diff for the French handbook (fr for very mundane reasons that I won't concern anyone with here). What's wrong with this? It doesn't currently produce any output to clearly differentiate the two. That, however, is a toolchain issue that could be corrected quite easily. What's good about this? Everyone is using the same, correct, way of marking up non-translated sections/chapters which keeps the sticklers happy. Even better, everyone can render it whichever way they damn well please, which keeps the anarchists from upsetting all of the "normals". Obviously, I'm not on a translation team (the only other language I speak well is "foul"), but these are the provisions that DocBook has made for this situation. Anything else will make transitioning to anything else a major PITA if/when it ever becomes necessary. Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --54ZiyWcDhi/7bWb8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="fr.handbook.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Index: mac/chapter.sgml =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/fr_FR.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mac/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 chapter.sgml --- mac/chapter.sgml 30 Jul 2004 07:33:45 -0000 1.1 +++ mac/chapter.sgml 20 Sep 2004 17:34:05 -0000 @@ -4,8 +4,11 @@ --> =20 + + Traduction en Cours + =20 - Mandatory Access Control ** Traduction en Cours ** + Mandatory Access Control =20 Synopsis Index: ppp-and-slip/chapter.sgml =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/fr_FR.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ppp-and-slip/chapte= r.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.8 diff -u -r1.8 chapter.sgml --- ppp-and-slip/chapter.sgml 10 Jul 2004 16:40:06 -0000 1.8 +++ ppp-and-slip/chapter.sgml 20 Sep 2004 17:32:02 -0000 @@ -116,7 +116,8 @@ =20 - Using User PPP ** Traduction en Cours ** + Traduction en Cours + Using User PPP =20 @@ -1086,7 +1087,8 @@ =20 - Using SLIP ** Traduction en Cours ** + Traduction en Cours + Using SLIP Index: printing/chapter.sgml =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/fr_FR.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/printing/chapter.sg= ml,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.3 chapter.sgml --- printing/chapter.sgml 29 Jul 2002 17:53:40 -0000 1.3 +++ printing/chapter.sgml 20 Sep 2004 17:34:09 -0000 @@ -7,7 +7,10 @@ --> =20 - Printing ** Traduction en Cours ** + + Traduction en Cours + + Printing =20 Synopsis Index: security/chapter.sgml =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/fr_FR.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/security/chapter.sg= ml,v retrieving revision 1.10 diff -u -r1.10 chapter.sgml --- security/chapter.sgml 1 Aug 2004 16:38:55 -0000 1.10 +++ security/chapter.sgml 20 Sep 2004 17:32:46 -0000 @@ -107,13 +107,15 @@ =20 - Introduction ** Traduction en Cours ** + Traduction en Cours + Introduction =20 =20 - Securing FreeBSD ** Traduction en Cours ** + Traduction en Cours + Securing FreeBSD =20 @@ -1249,7 +1251,8 @@ =20 - Firewalls ** Traduction en Cours ** + Traduction en Cours + Firewalls =20 Index: serialcomms/chapter.sgml =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/fr_FR.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/serialcomms/chapter= =2Esgml,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.3 chapter.sgml --- serialcomms/chapter.sgml 29 Jul 2002 17:53:40 -0000 1.3 +++ serialcomms/chapter.sgml 20 Sep 2004 17:34:13 -0000 @@ -7,7 +7,10 @@ --> =20 - Serial Communications ** Traduction en Cours ** + + Traduction en Cours + + Serial Communications =20 Synopsis --54ZiyWcDhi/7bWb8-- --Tu8ztk+XgTAiG9Id Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBTxivocfcwTS3JF8RAin1AJ9Uo4w/g/41NKADbz7NOhbaK5GRRQCghQZA OPOkqNQhJAza86NaDNK+Cx4= =H1CK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Tu8ztk+XgTAiG9Id-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 18:56:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AABF316A4CE for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:56:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C0F43D2D for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:56:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8KIu1lY049791; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:56:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8KIu00d049790; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:56:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:56:00 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Ceri Davies , Remko Lodder , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040920185600.GE47164@abigail.blackend.org> References: <414C2915.8000309@elvandar.org> <20040920174828.GH2493@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qjNfmADvan18RZcF" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040920174828.GH2493@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-PRERELEASE Subject: Re: Question regarding 'placeholders' (Translations) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:56:06 -0000 --qjNfmADvan18RZcF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 06:48:28PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: >=20 > Well, the "correct" way to do this would be to use the releaseinfo > element in the places concerned - I've attached an example diff for the > French handbook (fr for very mundane reasons that I won't concern anyone > with here). >=20 > What's wrong with this? It doesn't currently produce any output to > clearly differentiate the two. That, however, is a toolchain issue that > could be corrected quite easily. > > What's good about this? Everyone is using the same, correct, way of > marking up non-translated sections/chapters which keeps the sticklers > happy. Even better, everyone can render it whichever way they damn well > please, which keeps the anarchists from upsetting all of the "normals". >=20 > Obviously, I'm not on a translation team (the only other language I > speak well is "foul"), but these are the provisions that DocBook has > made for this situation. Anything else will make transitioning to > anything else a major PITA if/when it ever becomes necessary. > This is a very good idea: *info + correct rendering. And this would let teams to choose what they want/need to put in the *info Marc --qjNfmADvan18RZcF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBTye+81T1MWxkgcoRAnVtAJ9NPefoa5LVRK0dIaM2KGffxibnIgCgnHDV JxtHpz3InUQnpe7J/mBTmdo= =Jwd6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qjNfmADvan18RZcF-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 20:07:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1605816A4CE for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:07:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790A243D45 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:07:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id D987011AB2; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:07:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:07:51 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Atte Peltomaki Message-ID: <20040920200751.GF767@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <20040917210312.GA70203@norsu.kameli.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NtwzykIc2mflq5ck" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040917210312.GA70203@norsu.kameli.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: snd_*(4) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:07:54 -0000 --NtwzykIc2mflq5ck Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2004.09.17 21:03:12 +0000, Atte Peltomaki wrote: > I started working on the missing device specific sound driver manual > pages some time ago. Since then, I've got a new job and so far it has > taken pretty much all my time. I dunno if I'm able to finish any more Thats OK, I know the drill. > pages before deadline, but I'm sure I won't be doing sound(4) itself. Actually ru has already handles that. > What I have now finished is in http://kameli.org/man/ so feel free to > pick one as reference and write the rest :-) OK, I just committed the one which wasn't committed already (snd_ess(4)). Thanks for working on this. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen FreeBSD Documentation Team --NtwzykIc2mflq5ck Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBTziXh9pcDSc1mlERAmFTAKCYNykeKanOB7x5nNSLhX6Wb3L+JQCgqGO6 iGhl35VEgDPimzeRsWncqqw= =wwFj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NtwzykIc2mflq5ck-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 20:16:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0CC216A4CE; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:16:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818F143D53; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:16:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jmg@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (jmg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8KKGw98086851; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:16:58 GMT (envelope-from jmg@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8KKGwL1086847; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:16:58 GMT (envelope-from jmg) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:16:58 GMT From: John-Mark Gurney Message-Id: <200409202016.i8KKGwL1086847@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jmg@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, jmg@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/50773: NFS problems by jumbo frames to mention in bge man page X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:16:58 -0000 Synopsis: NFS problems by jumbo frames to mention in bge man page Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->jmg Responsible-Changed-By: jmg Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Sep 20 20:15:40 GMT 2004 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'm going to take over this.. information that is general to to all ethernet cards supporting jumbo frames should not be in a card specific man page.. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=50773 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 20:33:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE9516A4CE for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:33:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web50303.mail.yahoo.com (web50303.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BF11243D53 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:33:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murcielako@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040920203310.67503.qmail@web50303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.116.0.105] by web50303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:33:10 CDT Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:33:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jorge Mario G." To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: example conf file a doc or a conf file? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:33:11 -0000 Hi there I have a couple of patches ofr some /usr/local/share/examples files should I send'em to docs or conf? Jorge ===== _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Información de Estados Unidos y América Latina, en Yahoo! Noticias. Visítanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 22:12:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678C616A4D7; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:12:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (eos.ocn.ne.jp [222.146.51.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72C143D54; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:12:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from delta.allbsd.org (p43012-adsao12honb4-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp [219.161.232.12]) by smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5504526; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:12:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (alph.allbsd.org [192.168.0.10]) by delta.allbsd.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i8KMBubT010955; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:11:56 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:11:06 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20040921.071106.23004479.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> To: blackend@FreeBSD.org From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <20040918152344.GF60807@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20040918133247.GD60807@abigail.blackend.org> <20040918143037.GC25840@daemon.li> <20040918152344.GF60807@abigail.blackend.org> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 4.0.68 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Tue_Sep_21_07_11_06_2004_155)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: josef@FreeBSD.org cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Question regarding 'placeholders' (Translations) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:12:08 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Tue_Sep_21_07_11_06_2004_155)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marc Fonvieille wrote in <20040918152344.GF60807@abigail.blackend.org>: blackend> The original problem was just the fact the english text of blackend> non-translated part should not kept for obvious reason of blackend> space/bandwidth space. *This* point should be mentioned somewhere, if blackend> it's not already done. Then people are free to use the way they prefer: blackend> skeletons or not, custom placeholders etc. I agree with this. Probably we do not need a strict rule of the style of placeholders because it is mainly for the translators, not for the readers. If we need to make clear which part is not translated yet, keeping the "original revision" line suffices. Probably we have no objection to that the translators can use a placeholder when they want to commit a partly-finished translation of large document in order to make it buildable. Some styles are already suggested, but which should be used is a bikeshed problem, I think. -- | Hiroki SATO ----Security_Multipart(Tue_Sep_21_07_11_06_2004_155)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBT1V6TyzT2CeTzy0RAocRAJ4/PbT6WoC1AibiDTgsME/J6HCQ0QCeOCwm iCGenNvnaetb9tuZ0ZVJMG8= =0+n5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Tue_Sep_21_07_11_06_2004_155)---- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 22:27:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B6516A4CE for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:27:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from valentine.liquidneon.com (valentine.liquidneon.com [216.38.206.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D5143D1D for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:27:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from so14k@so14k.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by valentine.liquidneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D03866; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:27:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from valentine.liquidneon.com ([216.38.206.180]) by localhost (valentine.liquidneon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 48983-04; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:27:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from boom.house.so14k.com (67-41-215-55.dnvr.qwest.net [67.41.215.55]) by valentine.liquidneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F06A377; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:27:23 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Davis To: Ceri Davies Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:27:21 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20040918.161309.35654157.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <10215.199.201.236.2.1095524659.squirrel@199.201.236.2> <20040920110924.GB2493@submonkey.net> In-Reply-To: <20040920110924.GB2493@submonkey.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200409201627.21634.so14k@so14k.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at liquidneon.com cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:27:27 -0000 On Monday 20 September 2004 05:09, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 10:24:19AM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > > On Sat, September 18, 2004 1:13 am, Hiroki Sato said: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > As announced, the doc/ tree is now in a slush. Please postpone all > > > non-essential changes until after the doc/ tree is tagged (currently > > > scheduled for 24 September, 2004). > > > > > > While this is not a real freeze, if you need to commit a relatively > > > large change to fix or improve our documentation for 5.3-RELEASE, > > > please put a note for translators onto your commit log. > > > > Hi, > > > > I have a complete rewrite of the Firewall section. I have been trying to > > work with Tom, but I think he is busy doing other stuff. I would like to > > see this make it in before the 5.3 release. If anyone is interested I > > have patches and the HTML output here: > > > > http://freebsd.so14k.com/firewall/ > > > > It needs to be merged against the current version of the handbook, but > > that shouldn't be too hard. > > Brad, > > Silly question, but you do have an OK from JJB for this, right? > (I still haven't read all of the patch, which is why it may be a silly > question). Yep :) Regards, Brad -- The sun was shining on the sea, Shining with all his might: He did his very best to make The billows smooth and bright -- And this was very odd, because it was The middle of the night. -- Lewis Carroll, "Through the Looking Glass" From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 22:59:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEECF16A4CE; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:59:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from valentine.liquidneon.com (valentine.liquidneon.com [216.38.206.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B7A43D1F; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:59:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from so14k@so14k.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by valentine.liquidneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9129B866; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from valentine.liquidneon.com ([216.38.206.180]) by localhost (valentine.liquidneon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 49406-03; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from boom.house.so14k.com (67-41-215-55.dnvr.qwest.net [67.41.215.55]) by valentine.liquidneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10B4377; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:59:01 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Davis To: Giorgos Keramidas Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:59:00 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20040918.161309.35654157.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20040920110628.GA2493@submonkey.net> <20040920133025.GB38865@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> In-Reply-To: <20040920133025.GB38865@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200409201659.00842.so14k@so14k.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at liquidneon.com cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org cc: Ceri Davies Subject: Re: New firewall section (was: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:59:03 -0000 Hi Giorgos, Thanks for your comments I have merged all of them except the few below I have questions about. > : + The IPFW sample rule set (found in > : + /etc/rc.firewall) delivered in the basic > : + install is outdated, complicated and does not use stateful > : + rules on the interface facing the public Internet. It > : + exclusively uses legacy stateless rules which only have the > : + ability to open or close the service ports. The IPFW example > : + stateful rules sets presented here supercede the > : + /etc/firewall.rc file distributed with the > : + system. > > What are the ``service ports'' referred to here? This does need better wording.. I can't come up with anything right now. > : + The OpenBSD PF user's guide is here: > : + . > : + > > Please trim the unnecessary whitespace here too. Well the period is at line 71, so I pushed the down so I wouldn't go over the 72 line rule. Also I have encountered an undefined &man.ipnat.8 Regards, Brad -- Hummingbirds never remember the words to songs. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 20 23:47:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B2FE16A4CE; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:47:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from valentine.liquidneon.com (valentine.liquidneon.com [216.38.206.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF2643D3F; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:47:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from so14k@so14k.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by valentine.liquidneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E02869; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:47:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from valentine.liquidneon.com ([216.38.206.180]) by localhost (valentine.liquidneon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 49568-08; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:47:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from boom.house.so14k.com (67-41-215-55.dnvr.qwest.net [67.41.215.55]) by valentine.liquidneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980F2868; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:47:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Davis To: Giorgos Keramidas Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:47:30 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20040918.161309.35654157.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20040920141604.GA1156@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> <20040920161246.GA19738@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> In-Reply-To: <20040920161246.GA19738@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200409201747.30689.so14k@so14k.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at liquidneon.com cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New firewall section (was: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:47:32 -0000 > Most of these, especially the last point, are things I've discussed with > Joseph J. Barbish in the past on -questions and privately. Now that this > has finally (yeah, it was abou time!) started being integrated to the > Handbook, I'd like to ask for approval from Joseph, Brad (who put a > tremendous amount of work in this already), Ceri and our translators to > hold back for a couple of days until I reshape this a bit. I just want to stay involved and help see this through to completion :) Regards, Brad Davis From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 04:19:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837EE16A4CE for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 04:19:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D81243D4C for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 04:19:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (localhost [127.0.0.1])i8L4JKxQ000544; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:19:21 +0300 Received: (from keramida@localhost) by igloo.linux.gr (8.12.11/8.12.11/Debian-5) id i8L4JK7Q000539; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:19:20 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: igloo.linux.gr: keramida set sender to keramida@ceid.upatras.gr using -f Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:19:19 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Brad Davis Message-ID: <20040921041919.GA32654@igloo.linux.gr> References: <20040918.161309.35654157.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20040920110628.GA2493@submonkey.net> <20040920133025.GB38865@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> <200409201659.00842.so14k@so14k.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200409201659.00842.so14k@so14k.com> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.199, required 5, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.70, BAYES_00 -4.90) X-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New firewall section (was: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 04:19:57 -0000 On 2004-09-20 16:59, Brad Davis wrote: > > : + The IPFW sample rule set (found in > > : + /etc/rc.firewall) delivered in the basic [...] > > > > What are the ``service ports'' referred to here? > > This does need better wording.. I can't come up with anything right now. I'll see if I can come up with something. > > : + The OpenBSD PF user's guide is here: > > : + . > > : + > > > > Please trim the unnecessary whitespace here too. > > Well the period is at line 71, so I pushed the down so I > wouldn't go over the 72 line rule. IMHO, it's ok to keep longer lines in the source when there is no obvious way to split the text. > Also I have encountered an undefined &man.ipnat.8 That should have been &man.ipnat.1;. I was writing the comments in a haste and didn't check my entities, but we can easily fix that :-) From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 05:12:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6326D16A4CE for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 05:12:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDAC943D41 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 05:12:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost ([192.168.0.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8L5CMex018541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 21 Sep 2004 01:12:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 01:13:03 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: "Jorge Mario G." Message-Id: <20040921011303.42109ef4@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20040920203310.67503.qmail@web50303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040920203310.67503.qmail@web50303.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: example conf file a doc or a conf file? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 05:12:24 -0000 On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:33:10 -0500 (CDT) "Jorge Mario G." wrote: > Hi there > I have a couple of patches ofr some > /usr/local/share/examples files > should I send'em to docs or conf? Might as well pass em this way. :) -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 06:30:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B996616A4CE for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:30:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB16243D2D for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:30:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8L6UZwD016036 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:30:35 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8L6UZB3016035; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:30:35 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:30:35 GMT Message-Id: <200409210630.i8L6UZB3016035@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: docs/71826: [PATCH] Whitespace cleanup X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Giorgos Keramidas List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:30:35 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/71826; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Ceri Davies , Marc Fonvieille Cc: bug-followup@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/71826: [PATCH] Whitespace cleanup Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:54:45 +0300 On 2004-09-20 18:15, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 06:50:11PM +0000, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > > > The attached patch fixes some whitespaces in > > > doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/multimedia/chapter.sgml > > > > This was often discussed in past (consult the freebsd-doc archives). > > With often the same result: when it's not "mandatory", we leave the > > things in this state. > > If this is the consensual view (I don't recall the discussion), then > please close the PR. Every commit increases the disk space the particular file needs on the CVS repository server, on all the CVS mirrors, on all the copies of the tree that users keep privately at their home or work, etc. Bearing this in mind, I have to agree with Marc. Whitespace commits should only be done rarely, if there's no real problem they might solve (such as aesthetic issues of a particular output format, wrapping of output documents, or similar). Yes, please close this PR. When someone does a few content commits to the multimedia chapter a whitespace commit can follow. Fixing spaces just for the sake of fixing spaces isn't really worth the disk space it will take. - Giorgos From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 07:57:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69F016A4CE for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:57:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [195.170.0.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9FB43D45 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:57:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229])i8L7vHBu005992; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:57:18 +0300 Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (orion [127.0.0.1]) i8L7v8K7003958; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:57:08 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost)i8L7v8hp003957; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:57:08 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:57:08 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." Message-ID: <20040921075707.GA3123@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <20040919122112.B56801@woozle.rinet.ru> <20040919105242.4ae37b40@localhost> <414F02CA.3040808@daleco.biz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <414F02CA.3040808@daleco.biz> cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: committers guide inconsistency X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:57:27 -0000 On 2004-09-20 11:18, "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." wrote: >Tom Rhodes wrote: >>On 19 Sep 2004 12:24:32 +0400 Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: >>> Dear colleagues, >>> >>> >>> >>> How long is a ports freeze? >>> [...] >> >>Are you not a doc committer too? If so then just fix it with a mentor >>approved patch; if not [...] > > Seems the favored term is "slush" rather than "freeze" for /doc since > 4.10, anyway ... do they have "slush" in .ru, or is everything frozen > year-round? :-D The change mentioned above refers to the ports tree though, which does have a "freeze". The "slush" of the doc tree is not really a freeze. At least, some changes can go in the /doc tree during the slush period too. - Giorgos From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 10:15:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A659A16A4CE; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:15:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878C243D54; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:15:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (keramida@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8LAF5Rw037433; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:15:05 GMT (envelope-from keramida@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LAF5k0037429; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:15:05 GMT (envelope-from keramida) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:15:05 GMT From: Giorgos Keramidas Message-Id: <200409211015.i8LAF5k0037429@freefall.freebsd.org> To: rosti_bsd@yahoo.com, keramida@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/70856: List of flags and their aliases in `man 1 chflags` is not clear X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:15:05 -0000 Synopsis: List of flags and their aliases in `man 1 chflags` is not clear State-Changed-From-To: open->patched State-Changed-By: keramida State-Changed-When: Tue Sep 21 10:13:41 GMT 2004 State-Changed-Why: I committed a fix for this in HEAD. An MFC will be done in a few days. Thanks for your help improving FreeBSD :) http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=70856 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 14:01:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE05C16A4CE; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:01:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5725643D2D; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:01:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:01:21 -0500 Message-ID: <4150342C.9080908@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:01:16 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040712 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas References: <20040919122112.B56801@woozle.rinet.ru> <20040919105242.4ae37b40@localhost> <414F02CA.3040808@daleco.biz> <20040921075707.GA3123@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> In-Reply-To: <20040921075707.GA3123@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2004 14:01:21.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[79623B90:01C49FE3] cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: committers guide inconsistency X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:01:19 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >On 2004-09-20 11:18, "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." wrote: > > >>Tom Rhodes wrote: >> >> >>>On 19 Sep 2004 12:24:32 +0400 Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Dear colleagues, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> How long is a ports freeze? >>>> [...] >>>> >>>> >>>Are you not a doc committer too? If so then just fix it with a mentor >>>approved patch; if not [...] >>> >>> >>Seems the favored term is "slush" rather than "freeze" for /doc since >>4.10, anyway ... do they have "slush" in .ru, or is everything frozen >>year-round? :-D >> >> > >The change mentioned above refers to the ports tree though, which does have >a "freeze". The "slush" of the doc tree is not really a freeze. At least, >some changes can go in the /doc tree during the slush period too. > >- Giorgos > > Doh! Sorry for wasted time/bw.... KDK From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 14:40:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723A816A4CE; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:40:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66A243D41; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:40:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (acs-24-154-239-170.zoominternet.net [24.154.239.170]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8LEeUex022194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:40:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:41:11 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Giorgos Keramidas Message-Id: <20040921104111.49cf576e@localhost> In-Reply-To: <200409210630.i8L6UZB3016035@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <200409210630.i8L6UZB3016035@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/71826: [PATCH] Whitespace cleanup X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:40:32 -0000 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:30:35 GMT Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > The following reply was made to PR docs/71826; it has been noted by GNATS. > > From: Giorgos Keramidas > To: Ceri Davies , > Marc Fonvieille > Cc: bug-followup@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: docs/71826: [PATCH] Whitespace cleanup > Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:54:45 +0300 > > On 2004-09-20 18:15, Ceri Davies wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 06:50:11PM +0000, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > > > > The attached patch fixes some whitespaces in > > > > doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/multimedia/chapter.sgml > > > > > > This was often discussed in past (consult the freebsd-doc archives). > > > With often the same result: when it's not "mandatory", we leave the > > > things in this state. > > > > If this is the consensual view (I don't recall the discussion), then > > please close the PR. > > Every commit increases the disk space the particular file needs on the CVS > repository server, on all the CVS mirrors, on all the copies of the tree that > users keep privately at their home or work, etc. Bearing this in mind, I have > to agree with Marc. Whitespace commits should only be done rarely, if there's > no real problem they might solve (such as aesthetic issues of a particular > output format, wrapping of output documents, or similar). > > Yes, please close this PR. When someone does a few content commits to the > multimedia chapter a whitespace commit can follow. Fixing spaces just for the > sake of fixing spaces isn't really worth the disk space it will take. Oh forget this. There is a LOT of storage space that went to the cluster for home directories and I think the CVS repo. What happened to it, well, I don't know ... -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 17:10:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1F216A4CF for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:10:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C808043D5A for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:10:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LHAPVs094294 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:10:25 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LHAP4t094293; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:10:25 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:10:25 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200409211710.i8LHAP4t094293@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Joonatan Kaartinen Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA17E16A4CE for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:01:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F56343D1F for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:01:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LH1C5c009003 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:01:12 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LH1CsB009001; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:01:12 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200409211701.i8LH1CsB009001@www.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:01:12 GMT From: Joonatan Kaartinen To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Subject: docs/71980: Handbook says that no other software is known to be able to resize NTFS... X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:10:26 -0000 >Number: 71980 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Handbook says that no other software is known to be able to resize NTFS... >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Sep 21 17:10:25 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Joonatan Kaartinen >Release: N/A >Organization: - >Environment: >Description: There is a line in handbook that says: "PartitionMagic is the only known application that can resize NTFS." This is no longer accurate. There is an utility available from http://linux-ntfs.sf.net/ called ntfsresize that can also resize NTFS partitions. It's included by default in Linux live-cd called Knoppix. Also present in Debian in package ntfsprogs. I have used the utility a couple of times. No problems so far. I have no idea how portable the utilities are, though. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 17:32:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B836216A4CE; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:32:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D1E43D2F; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:32:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8LHWceT090143; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:32:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LHWcAc090142; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:32:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:32:37 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20040921173237.GA90010@abigail.blackend.org> References: <200409210630.i8L6UZB3016035@freefall.freebsd.org> <20040921104111.49cf576e@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040921104111.49cf576e@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-PRERELEASE cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: docs/71826: [PATCH] Whitespace cleanup X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:32:42 -0000 On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 10:41:11AM -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > Oh forget this. There is a LOT of storage space that went to > the cluster for home directories and I think the CVS repo. What > happened to it, well, I don't know ... > And what about the mirrors, the bandwidth used etc... ? Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 17:48:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5D316A4CE; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:48:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1E943D39; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:48:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1C9okx-000Dou-KS; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:48:47 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:48:47 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Marc Fonvieille Message-ID: <20040921174847.GN2493@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Marc Fonvieille , Tom Rhodes , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, Giorgos Keramidas References: <200409210630.i8L6UZB3016035@freefall.freebsd.org> <20040921104111.49cf576e@localhost> <20040921173237.GA90010@abigail.blackend.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+nG9yj4eE4W6Oba0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040921173237.GA90010@abigail.blackend.org> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: Tom Rhodes cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: docs/71826: [PATCH] Whitespace cleanup X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:48:48 -0000 --+nG9yj4eE4W6Oba0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 07:32:37PM +0200, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 10:41:11AM -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > >=20 > > Oh forget this. There is a LOT of storage space that went to > > the cluster for home directories and I think the CVS repo. What > > happened to it, well, I don't know ... > > >=20 > And what about the mirrors, the bandwidth used etc... ? Guys, chill. When I said "I don't recall the discussion", that's exactly what I meant. Not "I don't believe such a discussion took place", or "I don't believe that this was the consensus reached". Just "I don't remember". Since at least two people *do* remember the discussion, there's no need to rehash it for my benefit - I'll read the archives if I decide to care. Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --+nG9yj4eE4W6Oba0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBUGl/ocfcwTS3JF8RAgLyAJ9PF1oXvdLWT1klj8+sxJIxYtYpvgCeOrZs vufcG2hundLy5LbIqHD6/88= =HJlr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+nG9yj4eE4W6Oba0-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 17:51:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F8B16A4CE; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:51:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B40A43D2D; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:51:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (acs-24-154-239-170.zoominternet.net [24.154.239.170]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8LHpBex023621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:51:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:51:52 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Marc Fonvieille Message-Id: <20040921135152.7abdd35a@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20040921173237.GA90010@abigail.blackend.org> References: <200409210630.i8L6UZB3016035@freefall.freebsd.org> <20040921104111.49cf576e@localhost> <20040921173237.GA90010@abigail.blackend.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: docs/71826: [PATCH] Whitespace cleanup X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:51:18 -0000 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:32:37 +0200 Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 10:41:11AM -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > > Oh forget this. There is a LOT of storage space that went to > > the cluster for home directories and I think the CVS repo. What > > happened to it, well, I don't know ... > > > > And what about the mirrors, the bandwidth used etc... ? Do any of the mirrors need more disk space? -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 17:54:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B46AA16A4CE; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:54:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF7E43D2F; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:54:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (acs-24-154-239-170.zoominternet.net [24.154.239.170]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8LHsAex023660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:54:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:54:51 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Ceri Davies Message-Id: <20040921135451.646adf97@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20040921174847.GN2493@submonkey.net> References: <200409210630.i8L6UZB3016035@freefall.freebsd.org> <20040921104111.49cf576e@localhost> <20040921173237.GA90010@abigail.blackend.org> <20040921174847.GN2493@submonkey.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Marc Fonvieille cc: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: docs/71826: [PATCH] Whitespace cleanup X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:54:12 -0000 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:48:47 +0100 Ceri Davies wrote: > On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 07:32:37PM +0200, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 10:41:11AM -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > > > > Oh forget this. There is a LOT of storage space that went to > > > the cluster for home directories and I think the CVS repo. What > > > happened to it, well, I don't know ... > > > > > > > And what about the mirrors, the bandwidth used etc... ? > > Guys, chill. I'm not trying to fight, I'm just being honest here. > > When I said "I don't recall the discussion", that's exactly what I > meant. Not "I don't believe such a discussion took place", or "I don't > believe that this was the consensus reached". Just "I don't remember". > > Since at least two people *do* remember the discussion, there's no need > to rehash it for my benefit - I'll read the archives if I decide to > care. Heh, I don't recall seeing any accusations about the ability of your memory; I just wanted to raise my hand about "whitespace changes being useless" which I feel that sometimes it's very useful. Every open a file in vi(1), not in an xterm, and have sentences which break in the middle of a word onto another line? Ever arrow around the file jumping paragraphs at a time? That is an extreme annoyance. :) -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 18:11:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F36416A4E0; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:11:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB31543D45; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:11:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id 7A04511AE0; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:11:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:11:15 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20040921181114.GK773@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <200409210630.i8L6UZB3016035@freefall.freebsd.org> <20040921104111.49cf576e@localhost> <20040921173237.GA90010@abigail.blackend.org> <20040921174847.GN2493@submonkey.net> <20040921135451.646adf97@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Xsn3knLL3qrmRbVI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040921135451.646adf97@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Ceri Davies cc: Marc Fonvieille cc: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: docs/71826: [PATCH] Whitespace cleanup X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:11:17 -0000 --Xsn3knLL3qrmRbVI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2004.09.21 13:54:51 -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:48:47 +0100 > Ceri Davies wrote: >=20 > > When I said "I don't recall the discussion", that's exactly what I > > meant. Not "I don't believe such a discussion took place", or "I don't > > believe that this was the consensus reached". Just "I don't remember". > >=20 > > Since at least two people *do* remember the discussion, there's no need > > to rehash it for my benefit - I'll read the archives if I decide to > > care. >=20 > Heh, I don't recall seeing any accusations about the ability of > your memory; I just wanted to raise my hand about "whitespace > changes being useless" which I feel that sometimes it's very > useful. >=20 > Every open a file in vi(1), not in an xterm, and have sentences > which break in the middle of a word onto another line? Ever > arrow around the file jumping paragraphs at a time? That is > an extreme annoyance. :) Since this is being discussed anyway... I think whitespace changes should be done if the whitespace gets in the way, that is, if the "broken" whitespace in a file, in any way, get in the way of real work I see no problem in fixing the whitespace, before or after doing actual changes (or when planning to change something). I still think whitespace changes should not be done just for the heck of it, but I have no reason to think this is actually a problem. I have faith that my fellow committers know when it's OK, and when it's just a waste of disk-space/bandwidth, since I have yet to see somebody actually committing useless whitespace fixes. And that was all I have to say on the topic, so please go back to your regular scheduled bikeshed^Wshow ;-). --=20 Simon L. Nielsen FreeBSD Documentation Team --Xsn3knLL3qrmRbVI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBUG7Ch9pcDSc1mlERAnWbAJsGyos5IuKII8h1STqy53ldu/WhxgCfS645 yMCsEHhwPkPrJ15RZLq+px0= =2fZS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Xsn3knLL3qrmRbVI-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 18:16:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808E716A4CE; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:16:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ED3143D3F; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:16:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8LIGJTH015813; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i8LIGJnh015812; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:16:18 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20040921181618.GA15353@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <200409210630.i8L6UZB3016035@freefall.freebsd.org> <20040921104111.49cf576e@localhost> <20040921173237.GA90010@abigail.blackend.org> <20040921135152.7abdd35a@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040921135152.7abdd35a@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org cc: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: docs/71826: [PATCH] Whitespace cleanup X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:16:20 -0000 On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 01:51:52PM -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > Do any of the mirrors need more disk space? Well, if you're offering I could use some: Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on /dev/dsk/emcpower0c 966545724 915554520 2663920 100% /ftp [ You don't want to know what that's attached to... ] -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 18:26:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5892616A4CE; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:26:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE0C43D1F; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:26:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8LIQ6Ks091046; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:26:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LIQ5a9091045; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:26:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:26:05 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: "Simon L. Nielsen" Message-ID: <20040921182605.GB90010@abigail.blackend.org> References: <200409210630.i8L6UZB3016035@freefall.freebsd.org> <20040921104111.49cf576e@localhost> <20040921173237.GA90010@abigail.blackend.org> <20040921174847.GN2493@submonkey.net> <20040921135451.646adf97@localhost> <20040921181114.GK773@zaphod.nitro.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="huq684BweRXVnRxX" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040921181114.GK773@zaphod.nitro.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-PRERELEASE cc: Tom Rhodes cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Ceri Davies cc: Marc Fonvieille cc: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: docs/71826: [PATCH] Whitespace cleanup X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:26:09 -0000 --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 08:11:15PM +0200, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: [...] >=20 > And that was all I have to say on the topic, so please go back to your > regular scheduled bikeshed^Wshow ;-). >=20 In fact, we missed an important thing, the origin/source of the problem. Who add "non normal" whitespaces or long lines etc. ? Answer: The committers Who are the committers? Answer: Us The bikeshed could not exist without us :))) Marc --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBUHI781T1MWxkgcoRAux8AJ9eNXYbkRYegbOQLy6uDe1Ylu+lbwCfa5o+ B21y7GkQn1RYxrCPqkhCFYg= =ecj0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --huq684BweRXVnRxX-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 18:35:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E72416A4CE; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:35:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B192143D5D; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:35:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (acs-24-154-239-170.zoominternet.net [24.154.239.170]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8LIZmex023987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:35:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:36:29 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Ken Smith Message-Id: <20040921143629.73413973@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20040921181618.GA15353@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <200409210630.i8L6UZB3016035@freefall.freebsd.org> <20040921104111.49cf576e@localhost> <20040921173237.GA90010@abigail.blackend.org> <20040921135152.7abdd35a@localhost> <20040921181618.GA15353@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Marc Fonvieille cc: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: docs/71826: [PATCH] Whitespace cleanup X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:35:54 -0000 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:16:18 -0400 Ken Smith wrote: > On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 01:51:52PM -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > Do any of the mirrors need more disk space? > > Well, if you're offering I could use some: > > Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on > /dev/dsk/emcpower0c 966545724 915554520 2663920 100% /ftp > > [ You don't want to know what that's attached to... ] > SCSI or IDE? -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 18:52:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C11D16A4CE; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:52:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F3443D2D; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:52:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8LIpxTH016882; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i8LIpwep016881; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:51:58 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20040921185158.GA16447@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <200409210630.i8L6UZB3016035@freefall.freebsd.org> <20040921104111.49cf576e@localhost> <20040921173237.GA90010@abigail.blackend.org> <20040921135152.7abdd35a@localhost> <20040921181618.GA15353@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20040921143629.73413973@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040921143629.73413973@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Ken Smith cc: Marc Fonvieille cc: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: docs/71826: [PATCH] Whitespace cleanup X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:52:02 -0000 On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 02:36:29PM -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:16:18 -0400 > Ken Smith wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 01:51:52PM -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > > > Do any of the mirrors need more disk space? > > > > Well, if you're offering I could use some: > > > > Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on > > /dev/dsk/emcpower0c 966545724 915554520 2663920 100% /ftp > > > > [ You don't want to know what that's attached to... ] > > SCSI or IDE? > > -- > Tom Rhodes FCAL. 73Gb drives inside an EMC-4700 SAN. Told ya you don't want to know what it's attached to... :-) -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 19:16:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A8F16A4CE; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:16:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (eos.ocn.ne.jp [222.146.51.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D913543D41; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:16:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from delta.allbsd.org (p43012-adsao12honb4-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp [219.161.232.12]) by smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E877B3D72; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 04:16:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (alph.allbsd.org [192.168.0.10]) by delta.allbsd.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i8LJGBbT016624; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 04:16:12 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 04:14:30 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20040922.041430.63060831.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> To: simon@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org From: Hiroki Sato X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 4.0.68 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Wed_Sep_22_04_14_30_2004_436)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: status of 5.3 TODO items X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:16:33 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Wed_Sep_22_04_14_30_2004_436)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I would like to make sure the status of the following items as the day of RELENG_5_3 branch is approaching... > +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Issue | Status | Responsible | Description | > |-------------------+-------------+---------------+----------------------| > | | | | The snd(4) and | > | | | | pcm(4) drivers have | > | | | | been renamed but | > | | | | their manual pages | > | | | | are still outdated. | > | | | | sound(4) has to be | > | | | | added and pcm(4), | > | | | | csa(4), gusc(4), | > | sound(4) related | In progress | Simon L. | sbc(4), and | > | manual pages | | Nielsen | uaudio(4) should be | > | | | | revised. Other | > | | | | manual pages which | > | | | | refer to pcm(4) (if | > | | | | any) should possibly | > | | | | be revised, too. In | > | | | | addition, supported | > | | | | cards list needs to | > | | | | be updated. | > +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Simon, I think necessary changes have been committed. Is this still in progress? > +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | | | | Some parts are | > | | | | outdated. doc/70485 | > | | | | has been committed, | > | | | | but more work is | > | | | | needed to reflect | > | | | | the realities. bmah@ | > | | | | pointed out that we | > | Installation | Not done | Tom Rhodes | should have | > | Notes | | | "quick-start" | > | | | | installation guide | > | | | | for each platform | > | | | | instead of the | > | | | | current ones because | > | | | | they become too long | > | | | | and difficult to be | > | | | | maintained. | > |-------------------+-------------+---------------+----------------------| > | | | | Ch.11.4 and 11.5 of | > | | | | the Handbook must be | > | | | | updated to mention | > | rc.d scripts | In progress | Tom Rhodes | the new rc.d scripts | > | | | | and some ports use | > | | | | /etc/rc.conf for | > | | | | their configuration. | > +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Tom, could you tell me the status of these? -- | Hiroki SATO ----Security_Multipart(Wed_Sep_22_04_14_30_2004_436)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBUH2YTyzT2CeTzy0RAqczAKCp35F2VRKj08ilLX5LvyUI5R/weQCgu9Re 9Zy7xK+q3hJVjatmtIsHXLc= =1Ek5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Wed_Sep_22_04_14_30_2004_436)---- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 19:35:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3DC16A4CE; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:35:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D094543D4C; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:35:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (acs-24-154-239-170.zoominternet.net [24.154.239.170]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8LJZfex024379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:35:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:36:23 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Hiroki Sato Message-Id: <20040921153623.7de78c1c@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20040922.041430.63060831.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> References: <20040922.041430.63060831.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: trhodes@FreeBSD.org cc: doc@FreeBSD.org cc: simon@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: status of 5.3 TODO items X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:35:45 -0000 On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 04:14:30 +0900 (JST) Hiroki Sato wrote: [SNIP] I thought the previous email was just sent to Simon and I; oh well. I'm sorry if you wanted it archived in the doc mailing list archive, but I sent you a private reply. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 19:52:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2C616A4CE; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:52:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E278F43D48; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:52:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id A555911AE0; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:52:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:52:32 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Hiroki Sato Message-ID: <20040921195232.GL773@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <20040922.041430.63060831.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jtcAeju3WzRmRF+o" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040922.041430.63060831.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: trhodes@FreeBSD.org cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: status of 5.3 TODO items X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:52:35 -0000 --jtcAeju3WzRmRF+o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2004.09.22 04:14:30 +0900, Hiroki Sato wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I would like to make sure the status of the following items > as the day of RELENG_5_3 branch is approaching... >=20 > > +--------------------------------------------------------------------= ----+ > > | Issue | Status | Responsible | Description = | > > |-------------------+-------------+---------------+------------------= ----| > > | | | | The snd(4) and = | > > | | | | pcm(4) drivers ha= ve | > > | | | | been renamed but = | > > | | | | their manual page= s | > > | | | | are still outdate= d. | > > | | | | sound(4) has to b= e | > > | | | | added and pcm(4),= | > > | | | | csa(4), gusc(4), = | > > | sound(4) related | In progress | Simon L. | sbc(4), and = | > > | manual pages | | Nielsen | uaudio(4) should = be | > > | | | | revised. Other = | > > | | | | manual pages whic= h | > > | | | | refer to pcm(4) (= if | > > | | | | any) should possi= bly | > > | | | | be revised, too. = In | > > | | | | addition, support= ed | > > | | | | cards list needs = to | > > | | | | be updated. = | > > +--------------------------------------------------------------------= ----+ >=20 > Simon, I think necessary changes have been committed. > Is this still in progress? The sound infrastructure manual page (pcm(4)) and the existing device manual pages have been updated, but there is still missing manual pages for the rest of the sound devices. Unfortunatly I currently don't have that much time for FreeBSD, so I doubt will be able to work more on this before 5.3 is released. Anyway, I think this task can be marked as done, since the important part is done (by ru). --=20 Simon L. Nielsen FreeBSD Documentation Team --jtcAeju3WzRmRF+o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBUIaAh9pcDSc1mlERAk+FAJ0T9UlZgUxSVRFcYNoGoC9df6vKOwCff4aV 2+Y7ZN33yCV0Oe5NqQQ4E9U= =h5ZL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jtcAeju3WzRmRF+o-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 22:58:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC3916A4CE; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:58:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493BB43D2D; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:58:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from max@love2party.net) Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C9taC-0000DF-00; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:58:00 +0200 Received: from [84.128.140.189] (helo=donor.laier.local) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C9taC-0007Ac-00; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:58:00 +0200 From: Max Laier To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:56:43 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1782488.KOh9NazlDb"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200409220056.59900.max@love2party.net> X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:61c499deaeeba3ba5be80f48ecc83056 cc: trhodes@freebsd.org cc: ceri@submonkey.net cc: keramida@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New firewall section (was: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:58:02 -0000 --nextPart1782488.KOh9NazlDb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline [ Sorry for joining in late or broken references. Have not been on -doc, ye= t ] On Thursday 01 January 1970 00:59, wrote: > > Referring to ... http://freebsd.so14k.com/firewall/ > > > > Is everyone else happy (doceng/translators) if this were to go in before > > the release? I'd like to put in "a few" more words about pf in terms of FreeBSD (somethi= ng=20 in the flavor of 14.8.5.1 through 14.8.5.3) I will followup with a writeup = of=20 what I have in mind in ~2-4h. Do with it, whatever you feel is appropriate. Great work, please don't let me delay you here! But thanks for considering. =2D-=20 /"\ Best regards, | mlaier@freebsd.org \ / Max Laier | ICQ #67774661 X http://pf4freebsd.love2party.net/ | mlaier@EFnet / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News --nextPart1782488.KOh9NazlDb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBULG7XyyEoT62BG0RAlbkAJ9xgKqKXa42nEe6QQVp7fTp5qMgGQCfaLTa KSjoBNE76GHCq/QYH7hew18= =SZXl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1782488.KOh9NazlDb-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 22 01:02:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F3116A4CE; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:02:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9649743D1D; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:02:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from max@love2party.net) Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C9vWw-0004cQ-00; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:02:46 +0200 Received: from [84.128.140.189] (helo=donor.laier.local) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C9vWt-0005Vk-00; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:02:45 +0200 From: Max Laier To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:01:28 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200409220056.59900.max@love2party.net> In-Reply-To: <200409220056.59900.max@love2party.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1104227.NuIls5FU7m"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200409220301.38350.max@love2party.net> X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:61c499deaeeba3ba5be80f48ecc83056 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: trhodes@freebsd.org cc: ceri@submonkey.net cc: keramida@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New firewall section (was: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:02:47 -0000 --nextPart1104227.NuIls5FU7m Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary-01=_t7MUBvVrvfEubeh" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline --Boundary-01=_t7MUBvVrvfEubeh Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 22 September 2004 00:56, Max Laier wrote: > [ Sorry for joining in late or broken references. Have not been on -doc, > yet ] > > On Thursday 01 January 1970 00:59, wrote: > > > Referring to ... http://freebsd.so14k.com/firewall/ > > > > > > Is everyone else happy (doceng/translators) if this were to go in > > > before the release? > > I'd like to put in "a few" more words about pf in terms of FreeBSD > (something in the flavor of 14.8.5.1 through 14.8.5.3) I will followup wi= th > a writeup of what I have in mind in ~2-4h. Do with it, whatever you feel = is > appropriate. > > Great work, please don't let me delay you here! But thanks for considerin= g. Attached is the updated for pf. Just some scribbling, but I guess=20 people will still find it usefull to get the grip. Just tell me what you=20 think of it and what I can do to help. Thanks! =2D-=20 /"\ Best regards, | mlaier@freebsd.org \ / Max Laier | ICQ #67774661 X http://pf4freebsd.love2party.net/ | mlaier@EFnet / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News --Boundary-01=_t7MUBvVrvfEubeh-- --nextPart1104227.NuIls5FU7m Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBUM7yXyyEoT62BG0RAsJGAJ4zX9HUdBjmJg3uWk5PyqNn2KaM1wCfWy4O f6wrOrY5DJTOw0ggz2l8/mg= =SSyc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1104227.NuIls5FU7m-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 22 01:05:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8CE16A4CE for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:05:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C2443D49 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:05:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from max@love2party.net) Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C9vZT-0004u5-00 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:05:23 +0200 Received: from [84.128.140.189] (helo=donor.laier.local) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C9vZS-0001nC-00 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:05:22 +0200 From: Max Laier To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:04:20 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200409220056.59900.max@love2party.net> <200409220301.38350.max@love2party.net> In-Reply-To: <200409220301.38350.max@love2party.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2686509.4eBZ3qlo7A"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200409220304.22302.max@love2party.net> X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:61c499deaeeba3ba5be80f48ecc83056 Subject: Re: New firewall section (was: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:05:24 -0000 --nextPart2686509.4eBZ3qlo7A Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary-01=_W+MUB3RfLuQhMDL" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline --Boundary-01=_W+MUB3RfLuQhMDL Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 22 September 2004 03:01, Max Laier wrote: > On Wednesday 22 September 2004 00:56, Max Laier wrote: > > [ Sorry for joining in late or broken references. Have not been on -doc, > > yet ] > > > > On Thursday 01 January 1970 00:59, wrote: > > > > Referring to ... http://freebsd.so14k.com/firewall/ > > > > > > > > Is everyone else happy (doceng/translators) if this were to go in > > > > before the release? > > > > I'd like to put in "a few" more words about pf in terms of FreeBSD > > (something in the flavor of 14.8.5.1 through 14.8.5.3) I will followup > > with a writeup of what I have in mind in ~2-4h. Do with it, whatever you > > feel is appropriate. > > > > Great work, please don't let me delay you here! But thanks for > > considering. > > Attached is the updated for pf. Just some scribbling, but I guess > people will still find it usefull to get the grip. Just tell me what you > think of it and what I can do to help. Thanks! The mailinglist doesn't seem to like "Type: text/sgml" ... resend, sorry! =2D-=20 /"\ Best regards, | mlaier@freebsd.org \ / Max Laier | ICQ #67774661 X http://pf4freebsd.love2party.net/ | mlaier@EFnet / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News --Boundary-01=_W+MUB3RfLuQhMDL Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="pf.firewall.sgml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="pf.firewall.sgml" OpenBSD's Packet Filter (PF) firewall As of July 2003 the OpenBSD firewall software application named PF was ported to &os;. It is part of &os version 5.3 and later. PF is a complete, full featured firewall that contains ALTQ for bandwidth usage management much the same as dummynet provides in IPFW. Of all the &os; firewalls, PF has the best user documentation. The OpenBSD project does such an outstanding job of maintaining the PF users' guide that it will not be made part of this handbook firewall section as that would just be duplicated effort. For older 5.x version of &os; you can find PF in the &os; ports collection here: security/pf. More info can be found at the PF for &os; web-site: . The OpenBSD PF user's guide is here: . PF in &os; 5.x is at the level of OpenBSD version 3.5. The port from the &os; ports collection at the level of OpenBSD version 3.4. Keep that in mind when browsering the user's guide. Enabling PF PF is included in the basic &os; install for versions newer than 5.3 as a separate run time loadable module. PF will dynamically load its kernel loadable module when the rc.conf statement pf_enable="YES" is used. The loadable module was created with &man.pflog.4; logging enabled. Kernel options It is not a mandatory requirement that you enable PF by compiling the following options into the &os; kernel. It is only presented here as background information. Compiling PF into the kernel causes the loadable module to never be used. Sample kernel config PF option statements are in the /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES kernel source and are reproduced here. device pf device pflog device pfsync pf tells the compile to include Packet Filter as part of its core kernel. pflog enables the optional &man.pflog.4; pseudo network device which can be used to log traffic to a &man.bpf.4; descriptor. The &man.pflogd.8; daemon can be used to store the logging information to disk. pfsync enables the optional &man.pfsync.4; pseudo network device that is used to monitor state changes. As this is not part of the loadable module one has to build a costum kernel to use it. These settings will take affect only after you have built and installed a kernel with them set. Available rc.conf Options You need the follow statements in /etc/rc.conf to activate PF at boot time. pf_enable="YES" # Enable PF (load module if required) pf_rules="/etc/pf.conf" # rules definition file for pf pf_flags="" # additional flags for pfctl startup pflog_enable="YES" # start pflogd(8) pflog_logfile="/var/log/pflog" # where pflogd should store the logfile pflog_flags="" # additional flags for pflogd startup If you have a LAN behind this firewall and have to forward packets for the computers in the LAN or want to do NAT you have to enable the following option as well. gateway_enable="YES" # Enable as Lan gateway --Boundary-01=_W+MUB3RfLuQhMDL-- --nextPart2686509.4eBZ3qlo7A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBUM+WXyyEoT62BG0RAmnjAJ0elIjBSHYj00k90jQzlZL1h1Y1ZwCdEYEa zeiJtwDaKyOHjoaF4fjcYS8= =CpRv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2686509.4eBZ3qlo7A-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 22 01:09:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EAA316A4CE for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:09:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB34A43D45 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:09:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost ([192.168.0.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8M19Zex026338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:09:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:10:11 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Max Laier Message-Id: <20040921211011.28646391@localhost> In-Reply-To: <200409220304.22302.max@love2party.net> References: <200409220056.59900.max@love2party.net> <200409220301.38350.max@love2party.net> <200409220304.22302.max@love2party.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New firewall section (was: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:09:37 -0000 On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:04:20 +0200 Max Laier wrote: > On Wednesday 22 September 2004 03:01, Max Laier wrote: > > On Wednesday 22 September 2004 00:56, Max Laier wrote: > > > [ Sorry for joining in late or broken references. Have not been on -doc, > > > yet ] > > > > > > On Thursday 01 January 1970 00:59, wrote: > > > > > Referring to ... http://freebsd.so14k.com/firewall/ > > > > > > > > > > Is everyone else happy (doceng/translators) if this were to go in > > > > > before the release? > > > > > > I'd like to put in "a few" more words about pf in terms of FreeBSD > > > (something in the flavor of 14.8.5.1 through 14.8.5.3) I will followup > > > with a writeup of what I have in mind in ~2-4h. Do with it, whatever you > > > feel is appropriate. > > > > > > Great work, please don't let me delay you here! But thanks for > > > considering. > > > > Attached is the updated for pf. Just some scribbling, but I guess > > people will still find it usefull to get the grip. Just tell me what you > > think of it and what I can do to help. Thanks! > > The mailinglist doesn't seem to like "Type: text/sgml" ... resend, sorry! Since I already have a WIP, I'll work on putting this together. Thanks Max! -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 22 01:36:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA66416A4CE; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:36:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D0E43D39; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:36:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from max@love2party.net) Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C9w3k-0000dS-00; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:36:40 +0200 Received: from [84.128.140.189] (helo=donor.laier.local) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C9w3j-0004Ow-00; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:36:40 +0200 From: Max Laier To: Tom Rhodes Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:35:21 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200409220056.59900.max@love2party.net> <200409220304.22302.max@love2party.net> <20040921211011.28646391@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20040921211011.28646391@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart37787478.9CMiPh72Ve"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200409220335.34510.max@love2party.net> X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:61c499deaeeba3ba5be80f48ecc83056 cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New firewall section (was: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush begins) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:36:42 -0000 --nextPart37787478.9CMiPh72Ve Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 22 September 2004 03:10, Tom Rhodes wrote: > On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:04:20 +0200 > > Max Laier wrote: > > On Wednesday 22 September 2004 03:01, Max Laier wrote: > > > On Wednesday 22 September 2004 00:56, Max Laier wrote: > > > > [ Sorry for joining in late or broken references. Have not been on > > > > -doc, yet ] > > > > > > > > On Thursday 01 January 1970 00:59, wrote: > > > > > > Referring to ... http://freebsd.so14k.com/firewall/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Is everyone else happy (doceng/translators) if this were to go = in > > > > > > before the release? > > > > > > > > I'd like to put in "a few" more words about pf in terms of FreeBSD > > > > (something in the flavor of 14.8.5.1 through 14.8.5.3) I will > > > > followup with a writeup of what I have in mind in ~2-4h. Do with it, > > > > whatever you feel is appropriate. > > > > > > > > Great work, please don't let me delay you here! But thanks for > > > > considering. > > > > > > Attached is the updated for pf. Just some scribbling, but I > > > guess people will still find it usefull to get the grip. Just tell me > > > what you think of it and what I can do to help. Thanks! > > > > The mailinglist doesn't seem to like "Type: text/sgml" ... resend, sorr= y! > > Since I already have a WIP, I'll work on putting this together. Thank you! I was afraid, you'd be too busy with BIND9 (thank you for that o= ne=20 as well!) hence I though submitting *somehthing* to the discussion might be= a=20 good idea. I'll happily proof-read pf parts of the documentation if you wan= t=20 me to. =2D-=20 /"\ Best regards, | mlaier@freebsd.org \ / Max Laier | ICQ #67774661 X http://pf4freebsd.love2party.net/ | mlaier@EFnet / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News --nextPart37787478.9CMiPh72Ve Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBUNbmXyyEoT62BG0RAvOvAJwPsIkjH+p3DUyci6hxeVhjdBDfcwCaA1G0 DaPAI4x2NL50t0GlWDoKI0I= =nnaQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart37787478.9CMiPh72Ve-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 22 06:11:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E59316A4CE for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 06:11:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from woozle.rinet.ru (woozle.rinet.ru [195.54.192.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EEC43D41 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 06:11:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marck@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woozle.rinet.ru (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i8M6BBDh095013 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:11:11 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from marck@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:11:11 +0400 (MSD) From: Dmitry Morozovsky X-X-Sender: marck@woozle.rinet.ru To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20040922100938.Y92969@woozle.rinet.ru> X-NCC-RegID: ru.rinet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: authorgroup description in articles X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 06:11:13 -0000 Dear colleagues, in freebsd.dsl we have the following comment and such construction works in book chapters ok. However, when I try to use it inside article's articleinfo, it is not rendering correctly (AFAICC). No references in fdp-primer, and, unfortunately, my dsl/dtd knowledge are rather weak, hence my question here. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, D.Marck [DM5020, MCK-RIPE, DM3-RIPN] --------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** Dmitry Morozovsky --- D.Marck --- Wild Woozle --- marck@FreeBSD.org *** --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 22 08:48:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCEF116A4CE; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:48:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6DE43D49; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:48:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1CA2nO-000JKw-TB; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:48:14 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:48:14 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Dmitry Morozovsky Message-ID: <20040922084814.GU2493@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Dmitry Morozovsky , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20040922100938.Y92969@woozle.rinet.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TPGKQYD3WP7vMswh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040922100938.Y92969@woozle.rinet.ru> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: authorgroup description in articles X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:48:16 -0000 --TPGKQYD3WP7vMswh Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="GMArzDD+OGn24EFp" Content-Disposition: inline --GMArzDD+OGn24EFp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 10:11:11AM +0400, Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: > Dear colleagues, >=20 > in freebsd.dsl we have the following comment >=20 > >=20 > and such construction works in book chapters ok. However, when I try to u= se it > inside article's articleinfo, it is not rendering correctly (AFAICC). Naive, untested, patch attached. Please try that out. Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --GMArzDD+OGn24EFp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="f.dsl.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Index: freebsd.dsl =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dsl,v retrieving revision 1.82 diff -u -r1.82 freebsd.dsl --- freebsd.dsl 30 Aug 2004 09:19:35 -0000 1.82 +++ freebsd.dsl 22 Sep 2004 08:45:55 -0000 @@ -837,6 +837,8 @@ authorgroup shows up as a separate sentence. --> =20 =20 + (element articleinfo=20 + (process-children)) (element chapterinfo=20 (process-children)) (element sect1info=20 @@ -849,6 +851,8 @@ (process-children)) (element sect5info=20 (process-children)) + (element (articleinfo authorgroup author) + (literal (author-list-string))) (element (chapterinfo authorgroup author) (literal (author-list-string))) (element (sect1info authorgroup author) @@ -870,6 +874,8 @@ (process-children) (literal ". ")))) =20 + (element (articleinfo authorgroup) + (custom-authorgroup)) (element (chapterinfo authorgroup) (custom-authorgroup)) (element (sect1info authorgroup) --GMArzDD+OGn24EFp-- --TPGKQYD3WP7vMswh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBUTxOocfcwTS3JF8RAqrTAJ9PL7ECxW9BeF0SidSauhRzeEtUxQCgxYaM eFC937myF0VVEKzHnRdGNtQ= =ceWr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TPGKQYD3WP7vMswh-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 22 09:56:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 815) id 7A05316A4CF; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:56:48 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:56:48 +0000 From: Murray Stokely To: Ceri Davies , Dmitry Morozovsky , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20040922095648.GC32890@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20040922100938.Y92969@woozle.rinet.ru> <20040922084814.GU2493@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040922084814.GU2493@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Subject: Re: authorgroup description in articles X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:56:48 -0000 Yes, Ceri's patch looks correct. I wrote that comment and the original support for the authorgroup information, but this was only an issue for the Handbook at the time. - Murray On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 09:48:14AM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 10:11:11AM +0400, Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > > > in freebsd.dsl we have the following comment > > > > > > > > and such construction works in book chapters ok. However, when I try to use it > > inside article's articleinfo, it is not rendering correctly (AFAICC). > > Naive, untested, patch attached. Please try that out. > > Ceri > -- > It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. > Index: freebsd.dsl > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dsl,v > retrieving revision 1.82 > diff -u -r1.82 freebsd.dsl > --- freebsd.dsl 30 Aug 2004 09:19:35 -0000 1.82 > +++ freebsd.dsl 22 Sep 2004 08:45:55 -0000 > @@ -837,6 +837,8 @@ > authorgroup shows up as a separate sentence. --> > > > + (element articleinfo > + (process-children)) > (element chapterinfo > (process-children)) > (element sect1info > @@ -849,6 +851,8 @@ > (process-children)) > (element sect5info > (process-children)) > + (element (articleinfo authorgroup author) > + (literal (author-list-string))) > (element (chapterinfo authorgroup author) > (literal (author-list-string))) > (element (sect1info authorgroup author) > @@ -870,6 +874,8 @@ > (process-children) > (literal ". ")))) > > + (element (articleinfo authorgroup) > + (custom-authorgroup)) > (element (chapterinfo authorgroup) > (custom-authorgroup)) > (element (sect1info authorgroup) From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 22 10:19:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77FE16A4CE; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:19:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from woozle.rinet.ru (woozle.rinet.ru [195.54.192.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB9143D66; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:19:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marck@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woozle.rinet.ru (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i8MAJIMV014815; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:19:18 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from marck@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:19:18 +0400 (MSD) From: Dmitry Morozovsky X-X-Sender: marck@woozle.rinet.ru To: Murray Stokely In-Reply-To: <20040922095648.GC32890@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20040922141218.P92969@woozle.rinet.ru> References: <20040922100938.Y92969@woozle.rinet.ru> <20040922084814.GU2493@submonkey.net> <20040922095648.GC32890@hub.freebsd.org> X-NCC-RegID: ru.rinet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=KOI8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT cc: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: authorgroup description in articles X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:19:21 -0000 On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Murray Stokely wrote: MS> Yes, Ceri's patch looks correct. 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Sincerely, D.Marck [DM5020, MCK-RIPE, DM3-RIPN] --------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** Dmitry Morozovsky --- D.Marck --- Wild Woozle --- marck@FreeBSD.org *** --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 22 14:50:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A8016A4CE for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:50:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E5143D1F for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:50:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8MEoUox079920 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:50:30 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8MEoUxk079919; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:50:30 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:50:30 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200409221450.i8MEoUxk079919@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Hiroo Ono Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1284316A4CE for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:45:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.parknet.ne.jp (mail.parknet.ne.jp [210.171.161.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBF443D5A for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:45:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hiroo@oikumene.gcd.org) Received: from chrysanthe.oikumene.gcd.org [210.171.168.15] by mail.parknet.ne.jp with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.10) id A100B90136; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 23:45:20 +0900 Received: from chrysanthe.oikumene.gcd.org (hiroo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8MEjm4F008982 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 23:45:48 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hiroo@oikumene.gcd.org) Received: (from hiroo@localhost)i8MEjl14008981; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 23:45:47 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hiroo) Message-Id: <200409221445.i8MEjl14008981@chrysanthe.oikumene.gcd.org> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 23:45:47 +0900 (JST) From: Hiroo Ono To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/71998: Possible mistake in FAQ. X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:50:30 -0000 >Number: 71998 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Possible mistake in FAQ. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Sep 22 14:50:29 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Hiroo Ono >Release: FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD chrysanthe.oikumene.gcd.org 4.10-STABLE FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE #18: Wed Sep 15 01:26:56 JST 2004 ports@chrysanthe.oikumene.gcd.org:/build/usr/src/sys/CHRYSANTHE i386 >Description: I found two possible mistakes in doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml. (I am not sure if the first is really a mistake. It may come from my poor ability in English.) Here they are: A dialog will pop up requesting the number of cylinders, heads and sectors. Type the numbers found from the BIOS separates by forward slashes. Is the wording of "separates" here gramatically correct? This phrase can be easily understood even without the following example, but I could not figure out what the subject of "separates", and got a little bit confused when translating it. 5000 heads, 250 sectors and 60 sectors would be entered as 5000/250/60 5000 cylinders, 250 heads and 60 sectors? >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 22 14:57:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5881D16A4CE; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:57:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C01943D46; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:57:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (ceri@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8MEvXjn080291; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:57:33 GMT (envelope-from ceri@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from ceri@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8MEvXX0080287; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:57:33 GMT (envelope-from ceri) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:57:33 GMT From: Ceri Davies Message-Id: <200409221457.i8MEvXX0080287@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ceri@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, ceri@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/71998: Possible mistake in FAQ. X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:57:33 -0000 Synopsis: Possible mistake in FAQ. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ceri Responsible-Changed-By: ceri Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Sep 22 14:57:00 GMT 2004 Responsible-Changed-Why: Grab this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=71998 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 22 18:03:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F7916A4CE for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:03:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rnudnd.nut.roche.com (mail-external-nutley.roche.com [196.3.51.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E6243D4C for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:03:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from robert.chambers@ROCHE.COM) Received: from rnumsemcn01.nala.roche.com ([151.120.132.70]) by ROCHE.COM (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30907) with ESMTP id <01LF656KZ2IM98ACAK@ROCHE.COM> for doc@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ridmsempf01.nala.roche.com ([162.132.7.104]) by rnumsemcn01.nala.roche.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:01:54 -0400 Received: from ridmsem01.nala.roche.com ([162.132.7.105]) by ridmsempf01.nala.roche.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:01:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:01:54 -0500 From: "Chambers, Robert {D106~Indianapolis}" To: doc@FreeBSD.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6556.0 Thread-Topic: Bad Doc Link Thread-Index: AcSgzj4ueaqePstXQtOehhlrpOpGqw== content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2004 18:01:54.0313 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E5BD790:01C4A0CE] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Bad Doc Link X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:03:54 -0000 Yo,=20 Page: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/networking.html#PAR ALLEL-CONNECT 12.6. How do I connect two FreeBSD systems over a parallel line using PLIP? Please see the PLIP section <../../../../doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/plip.html> of the Handbook. Link is non-existent "If you believe their press releases (Microsoft), then you probably deserve whatever happens to you," said Vadim Yasinovsky, president of Clear Software, Inc. in Brookline, Mass. "If you don't learn from history, then you are an idiot by definition."=20 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 22 18:19:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F378A16A4CE for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:19:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E3443D2F for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:19:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1CABiJ-0001j2-Fk; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:19:35 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:19:35 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: "Chambers, Robert {D106~Indianapolis}" Message-ID: <20040922181935.GA2493@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , "Chambers, Robert {D106~Indianapolis}" , doc@FreeBSD.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JjNtGRvLZqzR8wa5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Bad Doc Link X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:19:39 -0000 --JjNtGRvLZqzR8wa5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 01:01:54PM -0500, Chambers, Robert {D106~Indianapol= is} wrote: > Yo,=20 >=20 >=20 > Page: >=20 > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/networking.html#PAR > ALLEL-CONNECT >=20 > 12.6. How do I connect two FreeBSD systems over a parallel line using > PLIP? > Please see the PLIP section > <../../../../doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/plip.html> of the > Handbook. >=20 >=20 > Link is non-existent Corrected, thank you. Should hit the website within 24 hours. (in case you need it quickly, the correct file is network-plip.html). Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --JjNtGRvLZqzR8wa5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBUcI3ocfcwTS3JF8RAgEXAJ9tcpBZzlJvn3Y9YcLCF8s52CHDWwCcDNBU 9P1sXhJxyu83+MaDj8N14TQ= =bagc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --JjNtGRvLZqzR8wa5-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 22 18:50:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F6616A4CE for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:50:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B073043D1F for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:50:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1CACCe-0001xU-Ls for doc@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:50:56 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:50:56 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20040922185056.GB2493@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , doc@FreeBSD.org References: <200409221826.i8MIQxRm057332@repoman.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Mla3UN0L0Ly2to/J" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200409221826.i8MIQxRm057332@repoman.freebsd.org> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq book.sgml X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:50:58 -0000 --Mla3UN0L0Ly2to/J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 06:26:59PM +0000, Ceri Davies wrote: > ceri 2004-09-22 18:26:59 UTC >=20 > FreeBSD doc repository >=20 > Modified files: > en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq book.sgml=20 > Log: > Correct some grammar and note an area for improvement. How much are these changes annoying translators? I have more. Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --Mla3UN0L0Ly2to/J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBUcmQocfcwTS3JF8RAnJNAJ9qRBsikhS4e6aRsFB3EpP7YablZQCfVKbE oCx8l/KpJ/WdU1pilCruA6c= =Yh7b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Mla3UN0L0Ly2to/J-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 22 21:17:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FCE316A4CE; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:17:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9994B43D31; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:17:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1CAEU8-0003Ij-RV; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:17:08 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:17:08 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Dmitry Morozovsky Message-ID: <20040922211708.GF2493@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Dmitry Morozovsky , Murray Stokely , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20040922100938.Y92969@woozle.rinet.ru> <20040922084814.GU2493@submonkey.net> <20040922095648.GC32890@hub.freebsd.org> <20040922141218.P92969@woozle.rinet.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="irrheVdOic6+Kbak" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040922141218.P92969@woozle.rinet.ru> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Murray Stokely Subject: Re: authorgroup description in articles X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:17:10 -0000 --irrheVdOic6+Kbak Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 02:19:18PM +0400, Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: > On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Murray Stokely wrote: >=20 > MS> Yes, Ceri's patch looks correct. I wrote that comment and the > MS> original support for the authorgroup information, but this was only an > MS> issue for the Handbook at the time. >=20 > Hmm, it does not seem to work here. Both before and after the patch this = source >=20 > > .... > > > ?????? > ???????? > ??????? ?? ??????? ????: > > > ??????? > ??????????? > > >=20 > is rendered to >=20 >
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>=20 >=20 > While in handbook the same set (s,articleinfo,chapterinfo,) would render = to >=20 > ??????? ?? ??????? ????:= > ??????? ???????????, ?????? ????????. >=20 > Any clues? None. Perversely enough, authorgroups work as expected within sect1info elements and similar, just not articleinfo. Don't let it hinder you though - the markup *is* correct, there is just something strange happening which we will eventually get to the root of (famous last words). Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --irrheVdOic6+Kbak Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBUevUocfcwTS3JF8RAvCTAJ0Rv2gF1fclXho+TcARVoMqwLq0cgCgmKTF KXywu3LSqYiBV56iQ4eT084= =bomh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --irrheVdOic6+Kbak-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 22 22:08:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D525B16A4CF for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:08:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C04C43D53 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:08:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1CAFHZ-0004WV-25 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 23:08:13 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 23:08:13 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20040922220812.GG2493@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , doc@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NpJxosW6I2mTcxQ7" Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies Subject: Stylesheet commits X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:08:15 -0000 --NpJxosW6I2mTcxQ7 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="xa9f45Qb6lv8AimG" Content-Disposition: inline --xa9f45Qb6lv8AimG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am I allowed to make commits to the stylesheets in doc/share/sgml/ during the slushie? I have attached the commits that I'd like to make, here are the reasons: __Diffs against doc/share/sgml/spellcheck.dsl sort.sp.dsl) Sorts the ignored elements in the spellcheck.dsl. new.sp.dsl) Applies after sort.sp.dsl is applied. Adds email, ulink and username to the ignored elements. __Diff to doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dsl amp.fbsd.dsl) Outputs '&' rather than '&' in the links to man.cgi. Taking en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/checkpoint as an example, this eliminates 40 out of 41 warnings from w3's validator. I certainly won't cry if the answer is no, but it would be nice. Cheers, Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --xa9f45Qb6lv8AimG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="sort.sp.dsl" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Index: spellcheck.dsl =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/share/sgml/spellcheck.dsl,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 spellcheck.dsl --- spellcheck.dsl 14 Jul 2004 05:28:11 -0000 1.1 +++ spellcheck.dsl 22 Sep 2004 21:34:28 -0000 @@ -34,25 +34,25 @@ (next-match)))) --> =20 - (element programlisting - (empty-sosofo)) - - (element screen + (element command (empty-sosofo)) =20 - (element hostid + (element devicename (empty-sosofo)) =20 (element filename (empty-sosofo)) =20 - (element devicename + (element hostid (empty-sosofo)) =20 (element otheraddr (empty-sosofo)) =20 - (element command + (element programlisting + (empty-sosofo)) + + (element screen (empty-sosofo)) =20 ]]> --xa9f45Qb6lv8AimG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="new.sp.dsl" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --- spellcheck.dsl.o Wed Sep 22 22:37:29 2004 +++ spellcheck.dsl Wed Sep 22 22:42:21 2004 @@ -40,6 +40,9 @@ (element devicename (empty-sosofo)) =20 + (element email + (empty-sosofo)) + (element filename (empty-sosofo)) =20 @@ -53,6 +56,12 @@ (empty-sosofo)) =20 (element screen + (empty-sosofo)) + + (element ulink + (empty-sosofo)) + + (element username (empty-sosofo)) =20 ]]> --xa9f45Qb6lv8AimG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="amp.fbsd.dsl" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Index: freebsd.dsl =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/dcvs/doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dsl,v retrieving revision 1.82 diff -u -r1.82 freebsd.dsl --- freebsd.dsl 30 Aug 2004 09:19:35 -0000 1.82 +++ freebsd.dsl 22 Sep 2004 21:50:57 -0000 @@ -206,14 +206,14 @@ (m (select-elements (children n) (normalize "manvolnum"))) (v (attribute-string (normalize "vendor") n)) (u (string-append "http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?que= ry=3D" - (data r) "&" "sektion=3D" (data m)))) + (data r) "&" "amp;" "sektion=3D" (data m)))) (case v - (("current") (string-append u "&" "manpath=3DFreeBSD+6-curre= nt")) - (("xfree86") (string-append u "&" "manpath=3DXFree86+4.4.0")) - (("xorg") (string-append u "&" "manpath=3DX11R6.7.0")) - (("netbsd") (string-append u "&" "manpath=3DNetBSD+1.6.1")) - (("openbsd") (string-append u "&" "manpath=3DOpenBSD+3.4")) - (("ports") (string-append u "&" "manpath=3DFreeBSD+Ports")) + (("current") (string-append u "&" "amp;" "manpath=3DFreeBSD+= 6-current")) + (("xfree86") (string-append u "&" "amp;" "manpath=3DXFree86+= 4.4.0")) + (("xorg") (string-append u "&" "amp;" "manpath=3DX11R6.7.= 0")) + (("netbsd") (string-append u "&" "amp;" "manpath=3DNetBSD+1= =2E6.1")) + (("openbsd") (string-append u "&" "amp;" "manpath=3DOpenBSD+= 3.4")) + (("ports") (string-append u "&" "amp;" "manpath=3DFreeBSD+= Ports")) (else u)))) =20 (element application ($bold-seq$)) --xa9f45Qb6lv8AimG-- --NpJxosW6I2mTcxQ7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBUffMocfcwTS3JF8RAh/JAJ9ZrC1VRMmcECyxcO2cFImgMH3JCQCgjpz4 rd1gJ3mJKRzjJ3onXxO5EWU= =JaeI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NpJxosW6I2mTcxQ7-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 23 01:46:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF30616A4CE for ; 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APNIC Staff ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - $Id: dbmon,v 1.1 2003/03/13 09:03:54 root Exp $ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 23 02:20:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9DB316A4CE for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:20:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A241D43D53 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:20:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8N2KP2H069439 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:20:25 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8N2KPGi069438; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:20:25 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:20:25 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200409230220.i8N2KPGi069438@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Brad Davis Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA11E16A4CE for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:18:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from valentine.liquidneon.com (valentine.liquidneon.com [216.38.206.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C1A43D31 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:18:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bdavis@house.so14k.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by valentine.liquidneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF97889 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:18:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from valentine.liquidneon.com ([216.38.206.180]) by localhost (valentine.liquidneon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 85521-03 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:18:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mccaffrey.house.so14k.com (67-41-215-55.dnvr.qwest.net [67.41.215.55]) by valentine.liquidneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C947F2 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:18:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mccaffrey.house.so14k.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6B4E6B81; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:18:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20040923021841.6B4E6B81@mccaffrey.house.so14k.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:18:41 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Davis To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/72018: Add example of how to use cvs over ssh X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Brad Davis List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:20:26 -0000 >Number: 72018 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Add example of how to use cvs over ssh >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Sep 23 02:20:24 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Brad Davis >Release: FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD mccaffrey.house.so14k.com 4.10-STABLE FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE #0: Fri May 28 08:02:41 MDT 2004 root@mccaffrey.house.so14k.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MCCAFFREY i386 >Description: Add example of how to use cvs over ssh >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- doc-ori/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors/chapter.sgml Wed Sep 22 20:02:30 2004 +++ doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors/chapter.sgml Wed Sep 22 20:14:09 2004 @@ -468,6 +468,18 @@ &prompt.user; cvs logout + + + Using SSH to check out the src tree + + &prompt.user; cvs -d freebsdanoncvs@anoncvs.FreeBSD.org:/home/ncvs co src +The authenticity of host 'anoncvs.freebsd.org (128.46.156.46)' can't be established. +DSA key fingerprint is 52:02:38:1a:2f:a8:71:d3:f5:83:93:8d:aa:00:6f:65. +Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes +Warning: Permanently added 'anoncvs.freebsd.org' (DSA) to the list of known hosts. + + + >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 23 02:40:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F73716A4CE for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:40:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD5A43D3F for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:40:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8N2eHbj069794 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:40:17 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8N2eHGY069793; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:40:17 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:40:17 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200409230240.i8N2eHGY069793@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Brad Davis Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCE216A4CE for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:38:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from valentine.liquidneon.com (valentine.liquidneon.com [216.38.206.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A0F43D45 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:38:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bdavis@house.so14k.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by valentine.liquidneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6446B889 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:38:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from valentine.liquidneon.com ([216.38.206.180]) by localhost (valentine.liquidneon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 85639-03 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:38:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mccaffrey.house.so14k.com (67-41-215-55.dnvr.qwest.net [67.41.215.55]) by valentine.liquidneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE174F2 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:38:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mccaffrey.house.so14k.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3B8B2B81; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:38:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20040923023850.3B8B2B81@mccaffrey.house.so14k.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:38:50 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Davis To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/72019: Reference correct dhcp port X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Brad Davis List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:40:18 -0000 >Number: 72019 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Reference correct dhcp port >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Sep 23 02:40:17 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Brad Davis >Release: FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD mccaffrey.house.so14k.com 4.10-STABLE FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE #0: Fri May 28 08:02:41 MDT 2004 root@mccaffrey.house.so14k.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MCCAFFREY i386 >Description: The dhcrelay file is not part of the dhcp server install anymore. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- doc-ori/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-servers/chapter.sgml Wed Sep 22 20:33:55 2004 +++ doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-servers/chapter.sgml Wed Sep 22 20:35:00 2004 @@ -2917,7 +2917,7 @@ environments where one DHCP server forwards a request from a client to another DHCP server on a separate network. If you require this functionality, then install the net/isc-dhcp3-server port. The + role="package">net/isc-dhcp3-relay port. The &man.dhcrelay.8; manual page provided with the port contains more detail. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 23 02:50:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E33016A4CE for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:50:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5AA43D41 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:50:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8N2oQhd070018 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:50:26 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8N2oQpG070017; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:50:26 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:50:26 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200409230250.i8N2oQpG070017@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Matthias Andree Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D00C16A4CE for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:43:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unimail.uni-dortmund.de (mx1.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.128.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E9143D41 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:43:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matthias.andree@web.de) Received: from m2a2.myip.org (8n0wl4yyupegxoat@p508EF74D.dip.t-dialin.net [80.142.247.77]) (authenticated bits=0)i8N2hYxt006591 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 04:43:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AFE101B217; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 04:43:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20040923024333.AFE101B217@merlin.emma.line.org> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 04:43:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Matthias Andree To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/72020: i386 boot(8) references obsolete disklabel(8) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Andree List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:50:27 -0000 >Number: 72020 >Category: docs >Synopsis: i386 boot(8) references obsolete disklabel(8) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Sep 23 02:50:25 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Matthias Andree >Release: FreeBSD 5.3-BETA5 i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD merlin.emma.line.org 5.3-BETA5 FreeBSD 5.3-BETA5 #4: Wed Sep 22 01:51:37 CEST 2004 toor@merlin.emma.line.org:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/MA5 i386 >Description: The boot(8) manual page still references the now-obsolete disklabel(8) manual page, rather than the current bsdlabel(8) manual page. (See the SEE ALSO section.) >How-To-Repeat: man boot >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 23 04:59:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F52F16A4CE; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 04:59:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B40F43D45; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 04:59:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brooks@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (brooks@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8N4xN0v086752; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 04:59:23 GMT (envelope-from brooks@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from brooks@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8N4xN6I086748; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 04:59:23 GMT (envelope-from brooks) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 04:59:23 GMT From: Brooks Davis Message-Id: <200409230459.i8N4xN6I086748@freefall.freebsd.org> To: matthias.andree@web.de, brooks@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, brooks@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/72020: i386 boot(8) references obsolete disklabel(8) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 04:59:23 -0000 Synopsis: i386 boot(8) references obsolete disklabel(8) State-Changed-From-To: open->patched State-Changed-By: brooks State-Changed-When: Thu Sep 23 04:58:30 GMT 2004 State-Changed-Why: I've patched this in CURRENT and will MFC before release. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->brooks Responsible-Changed-By: brooks Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Sep 23 04:58:30 GMT 2004 Responsible-Changed-Why: I've patched this in CURRENT and will MFC before release. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=72020 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 23 06:13:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5078016A4CE; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 06:13:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0C243D6D; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 06:13:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from delphij@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (delphij@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8N6DYXV037172; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 06:13:34 GMT (envelope-from delphij@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from delphij@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8N6DYxQ037168; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 06:13:34 GMT (envelope-from delphij) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 06:13:34 GMT From: Xin LI Message-Id: <200409230613.i8N6DYxQ037168@freefall.freebsd.org> To: delphij@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, delphij@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/72018: Add example of how to use cvs over ssh X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 06:13:34 -0000 Synopsis: Add example of how to use cvs over ssh Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->delphij Responsible-Changed-By: delphij Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Sep 23 06:13:05 GMT 2004 Responsible-Changed-Why: Handle http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=72018 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 23 09:07:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B1316A4CE; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:07:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D3843D2F; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:07:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (ceri@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8N97D5K049048; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:07:13 GMT (envelope-from ceri@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from ceri@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8N97Dgq049044; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:07:13 GMT (envelope-from ceri) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:07:13 GMT From: Ceri Davies Message-Id: <200409230907.i8N97Dgq049044@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ceri@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, ceri@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/72019: Reference correct dhcp port X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:07:13 -0000 Synopsis: Reference correct dhcp port Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ceri Responsible-Changed-By: ceri Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Sep 23 09:06:55 GMT 2004 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll handle this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=72019 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 23 09:31:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B3716A4CE for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:31:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2664043D31 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:31:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1CAPxE-000Ozq-Lj for doc@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:31:56 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:31:56 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20040923093156.GI2493@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20040922220812.GG2493@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NJ866PXMcXz+O0Zc" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040922220812.GG2493@submonkey.net> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies Subject: Re: Stylesheet commits X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:31:58 -0000 --NJ866PXMcXz+O0Zc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 11:08:13PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > amp.fbsd.dsl) > Outputs '&' rather than '&' in the links to man.cgi. > Taking en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/checkpoint as an example, > this eliminates 40 out of 41 warnings from w3's validator. A www/ built with the above patch is available for testing at http://submonkey.net/~ceri/data/. Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --NJ866PXMcXz+O0Zc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBUpgMocfcwTS3JF8RArKfAJ0VIDA/fCCVRIkchrn6o9I7KiVuWACgyis1 aoDQ/UNjtjav709zEDC1NQw= =bpot -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NJ866PXMcXz+O0Zc-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 23 10:33:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41B416A4CF; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:33:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B97543D49; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:33:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8NAXpJT066597; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:33:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8NAXpn2066596; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:33:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:33:51 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Ceri Davies , doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20040923103351.GA66383@abigail.blackend.org> References: <200409221826.i8MIQxRm057332@repoman.freebsd.org> <20040922185056.GB2493@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040922185056.GB2493@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-PRERELEASE Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq book.sgml X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:33:54 -0000 --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 07:50:56PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 06:26:59PM +0000, Ceri Davies wrote: > > ceri 2004-09-22 18:26:59 UTC > >=20 > > FreeBSD doc repository > >=20 > > Modified files: > > en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq book.sgml=20 > > Log: > > Correct some grammar and note an area for improvement. >=20 > How much are these changes annoying translators? I have more. > It depends. Often what people call "grammar changes" also means a subtle rewording and not only adding a missing "s", etc. This gives work to translators. A translator reads every commit, so he will spend more or less time on any commit. Anyway, if your changes are not mandatory or not simple grammar or typos fix, you should postpone them. Marc --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBUqaN81T1MWxkgcoRAhM9AKCUIQKIi7g7igN9crLMVz97MT9RxwCgiQ4a p1dmIjseYmdOfiWrXmeBRv0= =8Ygl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 23 14:31:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D7016A4D0 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:31:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gandalf.online.bg (gandalf.online.bg [217.75.128.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ABF5D43D1D for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:31:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roam@ringlet.net) Received: (qmail 14900 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2004 14:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO straylight.m.ringlet.net) (217.75.134.254) by gandalf.online.bg with SMTP; 23 Sep 2004 14:28:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 1714 invoked by uid 1000); 23 Sep 2004 14:32:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:32:19 +0300 From: Peter Pentchev To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20040923143219.GA981@straylight.m.ringlet.net> Mail-Followup-To: Tom Rhodes , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org References: <200409210630.i8L6UZB3016035@freefall.freebsd.org> <20040921104111.49cf576e@localhost> <20040921173237.GA90010@abigail.blackend.org> <20040921135152.7abdd35a@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040921135152.7abdd35a@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/71826: [PATCH] Whitespace cleanup X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:31:39 -0000 --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 01:51:52PM -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:32:37 +0200 > Marc Fonvieille wrote: >=20 > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 10:41:11AM -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > >=20 > > > Oh forget this. There is a LOT of storage space that went to > > > the cluster for home directories and I think the CVS repo. What > > > happened to it, well, I don't know ... > > > > >=20 > > And what about the mirrors, the bandwidth used etc... ? >=20 > Do any of the mirrors need more disk space? It's not just the mirrors, either. I don't know about you, but I personally like having a local copy of the repository, so diffs, logs, annotate's, branch checkouts and such are, well, faster :) [CC list trimmed a bit] G'luck, Peter --=20 Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@cnsys.bg roam@FreeBSD.org PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 If there were no counterfactuals, this sentence would not have been paradox= ical. --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBUt5z7Ri2jRYZRVMRAo59AJ9TiK1rryIT5CVy9JucLGSd5cEyJACgsoqh koIZVB8Pt6NcTQiSoAbMEcE= =9Lb3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 23 15:10:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1430B16A4CE for ; 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Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:07:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257F043D58 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:07:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8NF7Z8m070770 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:07:35 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8NF7ZpU070769; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:07:35 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200409231507.i8NF7ZpU070769@www.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:07:35 GMT From: Simon Hewison To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Subject: docs/72035: Handbook creating-cds.html mentions systils/mkisofs, which has moved X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:10:02 -0000 >Number: 72035 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Handbook creating-cds.html mentions systils/mkisofs, which has moved >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Sep 23 15:10:01 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Simon Hewison >Release: 6.0-CURRENT >Organization: Zymurgic Fluid Transfer Association >Environment: FreeBSD irnbru 6.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 6.0-CURRENT #0: Tue Sep 14 22:24:55 BST 2004 root@irnbru.noc.demon.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/IRNBRU i386 >Description: mkisofs has moved in the ports tree to be part of sysutils/cdrtools >How-To-Repeat: Try to follow instructions in handbook for burning CDs. >Fix: pkg_add -r cdrtools >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 23 15:30:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974E316A4CE; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:30:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A7443D54; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:30:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (ceri@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8NFUePN008024; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:30:40 GMT (envelope-from ceri@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from ceri@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8NFUevO008020; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:30:40 GMT (envelope-from ceri) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:30:40 GMT From: Ceri Davies Message-Id: <200409231530.i8NFUevO008020@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ceri@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, ceri@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/72035: Handbook creating-cds.html mentions systils/mkisofs, which has moved X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:30:40 -0000 Synopsis: Handbook creating-cds.html mentions systils/mkisofs, which has moved Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ceri Responsible-Changed-By: ceri Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Sep 23 15:30:24 GMT 2004 Responsible-Changed-Why: Assign to me. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=72035 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 24 13:30:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3278616A4D1 for ; 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Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:24:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from valentine.liquidneon.com (valentine.liquidneon.com [216.38.206.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7EB43D3F for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:24:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bdavis@house.so14k.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by valentine.liquidneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E608B0 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:24:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from valentine.liquidneon.com ([216.38.206.180]) by localhost (valentine.liquidneon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12730-05 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:24:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mccaffrey.house.so14k.com (67-41-215-55.dnvr.qwest.net [67.41.215.55]) by valentine.liquidneon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A8F8AF for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:24:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mccaffrey.house.so14k.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C2E63CD0; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:24:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20040924132403.C2E63CD0@mccaffrey.house.so14k.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:24:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Davis To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/72058: Note that Apache 2.x contains SSL by default X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Brad Davis List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:30:26 -0000 >Number: 72058 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Note that Apache 2.x contains SSL by default >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Sep 24 13:30:25 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Brad Davis >Release: FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD mccaffrey.house.so14k.com 4.10-STABLE FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE #0: Fri May 28 08:02:41 MDT 2004 root@mccaffrey.house.so14k.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MCCAFFREY i386 >Description: Note that Apache 2.x contains SSL by default >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- doc-ori/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-servers/chapter.sgml Wed Sep 22 20:33:55 2004 +++ doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-servers/chapter.sgml Fri Sep 24 07:11:05 2004 @@ -4247,9 +4247,12 @@ that you can run a secure web server on &os;. If you have not yet installed - Apache, then a version of Apache - that includes mod_ssl may be installed with the www/apache13-modssl port. + Apache, then a version of + Apache 1.3.x that includes + mod_ssl may be installed with the + www/apache13-modssl port. + Otherwise www/apache2 contains + SSL support by default. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 24 17:50:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394CE16A4CE for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:50:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D25D43D48 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:50:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8OHoHxK045286 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:50:17 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8OHoGZN045285; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:50:17 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:50:17 GMT Message-Id: <200409241750.i8OHoGZN045285@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Ceri Davies Subject: Re: docs/72058: Note that Apache 2.x contains SSL by default X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ceri Davies List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:50:17 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/72058; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ceri Davies To: Brad Davis Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/72058: Note that Apache 2.x contains SSL by default Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:48:09 +0100 On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 07:24:03AM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > --- doc-ori/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-servers/chapter.sgml Wed Sep 22 20:33:55 2004 > +++ doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-servers/chapter.sgml Fri Sep 24 07:11:05 2004 > @@ -4247,9 +4247,12 @@ > that you can run a secure web server on &os;. > > If you have not yet installed > - Apache, then a version of Apache > - that includes mod_ssl may be installed with the - role="package">www/apache13-modssl port. > + Apache, then a version of > + Apache 1.3.x that includes > + mod_ssl may be installed with the > + www/apache13-modssl port. > + Otherwise www/apache2 contains > + SSL support by default. Conjunctive adverbs are really to be avoided at the beginning of a sentence, if you don't want the bears to get you. Ceri -- It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 24 17:59:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D195D16A4CE for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:59:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51DB143D39 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:59:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (acs-24-154-239-170.zoominternet.net [24.154.239.170]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8OHxeex048891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:59:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:00:19 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Peter Pentchev Message-Id: <20040924140019.3cc3bf42@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20040923143219.GA981@straylight.m.ringlet.net> References: <200409210630.i8L6UZB3016035@freefall.freebsd.org> <20040921104111.49cf576e@localhost> <20040921173237.GA90010@abigail.blackend.org> <20040921135152.7abdd35a@localhost> <20040923143219.GA981@straylight.m.ringlet.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/71826: [PATCH] Whitespace cleanup X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:59:42 -0000 On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:32:19 +0300 Peter Pentchev wrote: > On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 01:51:52PM -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:32:37 +0200 > > Marc Fonvieille wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 10:41:11AM -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > > > > > > Oh forget this. There is a LOT of storage space that went to > > > > the cluster for home directories and I think the CVS repo. What > > > > happened to it, well, I don't know ... > > > > > > > > > > And what about the mirrors, the bandwidth used etc... ? > > > > Do any of the mirrors need more disk space? > > It's not just the mirrors, either. I don't know about you, but I > personally like having a local copy of the repository, so diffs, logs, > annotate's, branch checkouts and such are, well, faster :) I keep a local copy also, but I'm not one to mind whitespace changes that much. Regardless, we all have different views and I think that a lot of people here try to accomidate these. I've kept whitespace changes down, because, well, I don't want to deal with complaints over it. Trust me, if I wanted to piss people off with whitespace changes I could. (see the amount of whitespace fixes which could be applied to different chapters.) -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 24 18:46:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B6A16A4CE for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:46:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx2.synaptics-uk.com (mx2.synaptics-uk.com [194.203.111.209]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B50543D48 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:46:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gmccaughan@synaptics-uk.com) Received: from firewall.synaptics-uk.com ([194.203.111.212] helo=uk_exchange.synaptics-uk.com) by mx2.synaptics-uk.com with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1CAv7y-0007tB-7V for doc@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:49:06 +0100 Received: from [172.20.11.5] (dogbert.synaptics-uk.com [172.20.11.5]) by uk_exchange.synaptics-uk.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 32PDDZ8A; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:48:16 +0100 From: Gareth McCaughan To: doc@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:46:08 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200409241946.09076.gmccaughan@synaptics-uk.com> Subject: CVSUP mirrors in the UK and the FreeBSD handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:46:42 -0000 The current version of the Handbook says that there are mirrors in the UK at cvs{,2,3,4}.uk.freebsd.org . The actual state of play at present seems to be that ... - cvsup.uk.freebsd.org is not responding to cvsup connections, although it is pingable - cvsup2.uk.freebsd.org exists but is overloaded - cvsup3.uk.freebsd.org doesn't resolve - cvsup4.uk.freebsd.org has a disastrously out-of-date mirror; when I pointed cvsup at it my ports collection got downgraded (!) The first two problems are presumably transient, but the other two seem more serious -- especially the last. I think the list of cvsup servers could do with an update. (I've mailed mirror@teleglobe.net, which I hope is the right address, to alert them to the problem with cvsup4.) -- Gareth McCaughan From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 24 19:19:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A26F16A4CF; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:19:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (eos.ocn.ne.jp [222.146.51.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3534143D31; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:19:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from delta.allbsd.org (p43012-adsao12honb4-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp [219.161.232.12]) by smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3545C2F15; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 04:19:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (alph.allbsd.org [192.168.0.10]) by delta.allbsd.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i8OJFjbT035329; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 04:15:46 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 04:11:50 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20040925.041150.102135615.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> To: doc@FreeBSD.org From: Hiroki Sato X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 4.0.68 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Sat_Sep_25_04_11_50_2004_059)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org Subject: HEADS UP: doc tagging schedule slightly changed X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:19:46 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Sat_Sep_25_04_11_50_2004_059)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Although the doc tree tagging was originally planned to be on 24 September, we are going to do the tagging around 23:30 UTC on 25 September, 2004. We still have some efforts in the English version which are not committed yet, so I think I will slide the tag of such files after the tagging if necessary, instead of pushing back the schedule. If you have patches which should be included in the release, please ask doceng@. However, please be conservative until the actual release date because changes to the English version can increase workload of the translation teams. Also, translations can be merged even after the tagging if requested. Please commit your efforts and do not hesitate to inform us. I will post a reminder again just before the tagging. Thank you for your cooperation and keep up the good work! -- | Hiroki SATO ----Security_Multipart(Sat_Sep_25_04_11_50_2004_059)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBVHF2TyzT2CeTzy0RAt/GAJ9t+5vztUvBp+tc/hZiMkKdPoo7iACfZ9n2 HdBHL17JDikD1D1PvWsiWDs= =6iaY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Sat_Sep_25_04_11_50_2004_059)---- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 24 19:50:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F165E16A4CE for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:50:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av9-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (av9-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE90C43D3F for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:50:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pawel.worach@telia.com) Received: by av9-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 10A6537EF9; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:50:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.164]) by av9-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E4B37EE2 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:50:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from corona.sajd.net (h16n2fls31o265.telia.com [217.208.189.16]) by smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B2437E4F for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:50:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sajd@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corona.sajd.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i8OJob4K044495 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:50:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pawel.worach@telia.com) Message-ID: <41547A8D.2030301@telia.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:50:37 +0200 From: Pawel Worach User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (X11/20040815) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [patch] gif(4) typo X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:50:40 -0000 to be or double be. - Pawel --- /usr/src/share/man/man4/gif.4 Mon Feb 24 23:53:22 2003 +++ gif.4 Fri Sep 24 21:48:32 2004 @@ -78,7 +78,7 @@ Note that IPv6 link-local addresses (those that start with .Li fe80:: ) -will be automatically be configured whenever possible. +will be automatically configured whenever possible. You may need to remove IPv6 link-local addresses manually using .Xr ifconfig 8 , if you want to disable the use of IPv6 as the inner header From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 24 20:12:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17AE216A4CE for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:12:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2C643D1F for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:12:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8OKC2Qc018471; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:12:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8OKC1kG018470; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:12:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:12:00 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Pawel Worach Message-ID: <20040924201200.GK9094@abigail.blackend.org> References: <41547A8D.2030301@telia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41547A8D.2030301@telia.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-PRERELEASE cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [patch] gif(4) typo X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:12:07 -0000 On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 09:50:37PM +0200, Pawel Worach wrote: > to be or double be. > Fixed, thanks. Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 25 00:22:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228B016A4CE; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:22:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF5543D1F; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:22:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1CB0KB-000LuD-4X; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 01:22:03 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 01:22:03 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20040925002203.GX2493@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Tom Rhodes , Peter Pentchev , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org References: <200409210630.i8L6UZB3016035@freefall.freebsd.org> <20040921104111.49cf576e@localhost> <20040921173237.GA90010@abigail.blackend.org> <20040921135152.7abdd35a@localhost> <20040923143219.GA981@straylight.m.ringlet.net> <20040924140019.3cc3bf42@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MXE3caftPhBF8dmD" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040924140019.3cc3bf42@localhost> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/71826: [PATCH] Whitespace cleanup X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:22:04 -0000 --MXE3caftPhBF8dmD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 02:00:19PM -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:32:19 +0300 > Peter Pentchev wrote: >=20 > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 01:51:52PM -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:32:37 +0200 > > > Marc Fonvieille wrote: > > >=20 > > > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 10:41:11AM -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > > >=20 > > > > > Oh forget this. There is a LOT of storage space that went to > > > > > the cluster for home directories and I think the CVS repo. What > > > > > happened to it, well, I don't know ... > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > And what about the mirrors, the bandwidth used etc... ? > > >=20 > > > Do any of the mirrors need more disk space? > >=20 > > It's not just the mirrors, either. I don't know about you, but I > > personally like having a local copy of the repository, so diffs, logs, > > annotate's, branch checkouts and such are, well, faster :) >=20 > I keep a local copy also, but I'm not one to mind whitespace > changes that much. Regardless, we all have different views and > I think that a lot of people here try to accomidate these. I've > kept whitespace changes down, because, well, I don't want to > deal with complaints over it. Trust me, if I wanted to piss > people off with whitespace changes I could. (see the amount of > whitespace fixes which could be applied to different chapters.) I have found one reason for avoiding whitespace commits that I really believe in: it destroys the usefulness of "cvs annotate". Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --MXE3caftPhBF8dmD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBVLoqocfcwTS3JF8RAkVkAJ4oiDqD7JwMAEcrs+eGwpqh5iqwjwCeJMTw P4C098vEUo4Yr9ZcIdCIjNk= =ee1P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MXE3caftPhBF8dmD-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 25 00:25:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD0416A4CE; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:25:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317E143D3F; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:25:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1CB0Ns-000Lvv-Hz; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 01:25:52 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 01:25:52 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Gareth McCaughan Message-ID: <20040925002552.GY2493@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Gareth McCaughan , doc@freebsd.org, hubs@FreeBSD.org References: <200409241946.09076.gmccaughan@synaptics-uk.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="c8/nVrK+l7NVnhuJ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200409241946.09076.gmccaughan@synaptics-uk.com> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: doc@freebsd.org cc: hubs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: CVSUP mirrors in the UK and the FreeBSD handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:25:53 -0000 --c8/nVrK+l7NVnhuJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 07:46:08PM +0100, Gareth McCaughan wrote: > The current version of the Handbook says that there are mirrors > in the UK at cvs{,2,3,4}.uk.freebsd.org . The actual state of > play at present seems to be that ... >=20 > - cvsup.uk.freebsd.org is not responding to > cvsup connections, although it is pingable >=20 > - cvsup2.uk.freebsd.org exists but is overloaded >=20 > - cvsup3.uk.freebsd.org doesn't resolve >=20 > - cvsup4.uk.freebsd.org has a disastrously out-of-date > mirror; when I pointed cvsup at it my ports collection > got downgraded (!) >=20 > The first two problems are presumably transient, > but the other two seem more serious -- especially the > last. I think the list of cvsup servers could do with > an update. cvsup.uk.freebsd.org certainly works; it is where I get my updates from. The correct list to deal with this is hubs@FreeBSD.org, who I have duly CC'd. Ceri > (I've mailed mirror@teleglobe.net, which I hope is > the right address, to alert them to the problem with > cvsup4.) --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --c8/nVrK+l7NVnhuJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBVLsQocfcwTS3JF8RAtjXAJ4mnZ2873ptL9dovr39XJ1aEz2eJACghWzF 0+7HVBaowQqyVz0brkjPAMg= =q60W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --c8/nVrK+l7NVnhuJ-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 25 00:27:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D52C16A4CE; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:27:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A1143D31; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:27:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1CB0PZ-000LwX-KE; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 01:27:37 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 01:27:37 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Hiroki Sato Message-ID: <20040925002737.GZ2493@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Hiroki Sato , doc@FreeBSD.org, doceng@FreeBSD.org References: <20040925.041150.102135615.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FXy67hQeDqxxjNHK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040925.041150.102135615.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc tagging schedule slightly changed X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:27:38 -0000 --FXy67hQeDqxxjNHK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Sep 25, 2004 at 04:11:50AM +0900, Hiroki Sato wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > Although the doc tree tagging was originally planned to be on > 24 September, we are going to do the tagging around 23:30 UTC > on 25 September, 2004. >=20 > We still have some efforts in the English version which are not committed > yet, so I think I will slide the tag of such files after the tagging > if necessary, instead of pushing back the schedule. If you have patches > which should be included in the release, please ask doceng@. However, > please be conservative until the actual release date because changes to = the > English version can increase workload of the translation teams. The stuff about named in the handbook needs updating as well now. Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --FXy67hQeDqxxjNHK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBVLt5ocfcwTS3JF8RAmN0AJ94FUxcnS3qnwRya83J9wJ2gNoxRgCgxGj0 MNiVp0ikfTZF6lqO2GAzLSU= =7M0c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FXy67hQeDqxxjNHK-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 25 02:50:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1346B16A4CE for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:50:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D2543D2D for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:50:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8P2oTi1021699 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:50:29 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8P2oTqL021697; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:50:29 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:50:29 GMT Message-Id: <200409250250.i8P2oTqL021697@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Brad Davis Subject: Re: docs/72058: Note that Apache 2.x contains SSL by default X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Brad Davis List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:50:30 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/72058; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Brad Davis To: Ceri Davies , FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/72058: Note that Apache 2.x contains SSL by default Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:44:18 -0600 On Friday 24 September 2004 11:48, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 07:24:03AM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > > --- doc-ori/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-servers/chapter.sgml > > Wed Sep 22 20:33:55 2004 +++ > > doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-servers/chapter.sgml Fri > > Sep 24 07:11:05 2004 @@ -4247,9 +4247,12 @@ > > that you can run a secure web server on &os;. > > > > If you have not yet installed > > - Apache, then a version of > > Apache - that includes > > mod_ssl may be installed with the > role="package">www/apache13-modssl port. + > > Apache, then a version of > > + Apache 1.3.x that includes > > + mod_ssl may be installed with the > > + www/apache13-modssl port. > > > > + Otherwise www/apache2 contains > > + SSL support by default. > > Conjunctive adverbs are really to be avoided at the beginning of a > sentence, if you don't want the bears to get you. Ack! BEARS!!! RUN! Do you have something in mind to replace this? -- Oh, I am a C programmer and I'm okay I muck with indices and structs all day And when it works, I shout hoo-ray Oh, I am a C programmer and I'm okay From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 25 11:10:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E3F16A4DD for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:10:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718FA43D1F for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:10:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8PBAax8011870 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:10:36 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8PBAZGK011869; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:10:35 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:10:35 GMT Message-Id: <200409251110.i8PBAZGK011869@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Ceri Davies Subject: Re: docs/72058: Note that Apache 2.x contains SSL by default X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ceri Davies List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:10:36 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/72058; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ceri Davies To: Brad Davis Cc: FreeBSD Gnats Submit Subject: Re: docs/72058: Note that Apache 2.x contains SSL by default Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:09:46 +0100 On Sat, Sep 25, 2004 at 02:50:29AM +0000, Brad Davis wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 07:24:03AM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > > > --- doc-ori/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-servers/chapter.sgml > > > Wed Sep 22 20:33:55 2004 +++ > > > doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-servers/chapter.sgml Fri > > > Sep 24 07:11:05 2004 @@ -4247,9 +4247,12 @@ > > > that you can run a secure web server on &os;. > > > > > > If you have not yet installed > > > - Apache, then a version of > > > Apache - that includes > > > mod_ssl may be installed with the > > role="package">www/apache13-modssl port. + > > > Apache, then a version of > > > + Apache 1.3.x that includes > > > + mod_ssl may be installed with the > > > + www/apache13-modssl port. > > > > > > + Otherwise www/apache2 contains > > > + SSL support by default. > > > > Conjunctive adverbs are really to be avoided at the beginning of a > > sentence, if you don't want the bears to get you. > > Ack! BEARS!!! RUN! Don't panic, just invest in one of these: http://projecttroy.com.nexx.com/website/index.html. > Do you have something in mind to replace this? Perhaps just: SSL support is also available in www/apache2, where it is enabled by default. or something along those lines? Ceri -- It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 25 14:30:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394F116A4CE for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:30:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108EB43D1F for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:30:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8PEUSn8039148 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:30:28 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8PEUSQg039147; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:30:28 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:30:28 GMT Message-Id: <200409251430.i8PEUSQg039147@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: "Brad Davis" Subject: Re: docs/72058: Note that Apache 2.x contains SSL by default X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Brad Davis List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:30:29 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/72058; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Brad Davis" To: "Ceri Davies" Cc: "FreeBSD Gnats Submit" Subject: Re: docs/72058: Note that Apache 2.x contains SSL by default Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:20:54 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, September 25, 2004 5:09 am, Ceri Davies said: > On Sat, Sep 25, 2004 at 02:50:29AM +0000, Brad Davis wrote: >> > On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 07:24:03AM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: >> > > --- >> doc-ori/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-servers/chapter.sgml >> > > Wed Sep 22 20:33:55 2004 +++ >> > > doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-servers/chapter.sgml >> Fri >> > > Sep 24 07:11:05 2004 @@ -4247,9 +4247,12 @@ >> > > that you can run a secure web server on &os;. >> > > >> > > If you have not yet installed >> > > - Apache, then a version of >> > > Apache - that includes >> > > mod_ssl may be installed with the >> > > > role="package">www/apache13-modssl port. + >> > > Apache, then a version of >> > > + Apache 1.3.x that includes >> > > + mod_ssl may be installed with the >> > > + www/apache13-modssl port. >> > > >> > > + Otherwise www/apache2 >> contains >> > > + SSL support by default. >> > >> > Conjunctive adverbs are really to be avoided at the beginning of a >> > sentence, if you don't want the bears to get you. >> >> Ack! BEARS!!! RUN! > > Don't panic, just invest in one of these: > http://projecttroy.com.nexx.com/website/index.html. > >> Do you have something in mind to replace this? > > Perhaps just: > > SSL support is also available in > www/apache2, where it is > enabled by default. > > or something along those lines? Sounds good to me. Shall I make a new diff? :) Regards, Brad Davis From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 25 14:42:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4D816A4CE for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:42:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd.org.cn (dns3.freebsd.org.cn [61.129.66.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7E2A243D48 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:42:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from delphij@frontfree.net) Received: (qmail 95762 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2004 14:38:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beastie.frontfree.net) (219.239.98.7) by mail.freebsd.org.cn with SMTP; 25 Sep 2004 14:38:44 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.frontfree.net [127.0.0.1]) by beastie.frontfree.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259A7130F4F for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:42:42 +0800 (CST) Received: from beastie.frontfree.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (beastie.frontfree.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01137-05 for ; 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charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Here is a patch that will catch up the removal of PFIL_HOOKS from HEAD and RELENG_5: http://people.freebsd.org/~delphij/patch-security Ceri@ has reminded me that there are still others working on the security/ chapter, so it is probably better to post the patch instead of committing it to the repository :-) Cheers, --=20 Xin LI http://www.delphij.net/ See complete headers for GPG key and other information. --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBVYPc/cVsHxFZiIoRAglRAJ9E5vko2LUwz5VNBt//li/8jalUbwCfQYgw rcfsSc7JIAje5XksJnRmU+c= =nLDm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 25 16:10:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F00B516A4CF for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:10:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D002D43D55 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:10:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8PGANYn052152 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:10:23 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8PGANlu052151; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:10:23 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:10:23 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200409251610.i8PGANlu052151@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Gavin Atkinson Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7235A16A4CE for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:05:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-gw0.york.ac.uk (mail-gw0.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.245]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A878D43D1D for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:05:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ga9@buffy.york.ac.uk) Received: from buffy.york.ac.uk (buffy.york.ac.uk [144.32.226.160]) by mail-gw0.york.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8PG56N7020471 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:05:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from buffy.york.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by buffy.york.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i8PCJPmK011116 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:19:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ga9@buffy.york.ac.uk) Received: (from ga9@localhost) by buffy.york.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id i8PCJPGI011115; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:19:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ga9) Message-Id: <200409251219.i8PCJPGI011115@buffy.york.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:19:25 +0100 (BST) From: Gavin Atkinson To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/72080: Updates to FAQ chapter 6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gavin Atkinson List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:10:24 -0000 >Number: 72080 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Updates to FAQ chapter 6 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Sep 25 16:10:23 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Gavin Atkinson >Release: FreeBSD 5.3-BETA2 i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD buffy.york.ac.uk 5.3-BETA2 FreeBSD 5.3-BETA2 #9: Mon Sep 6 15:59:27 BST 2004 root@buffy.york.ac.uk:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 >Description: A couple of small updates to the Commercial Applications section of the FAQ. >How-To-Repeat: N/A >Fix: patch also at http://www.devrandom.co.uk/freebsd/faq6.diff --- faq6.diff begins here --- Index: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.653 diff -u -r1.653 book.sgml --- doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml 22 Sep 2004 19:38:51 -0000 1.653 +++ doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml 24 Sep 2004 13:39:41 -0000 @@ -4465,10 +4465,10 @@ works flawlessly on FreeBSD. The easiest way to install the &linux; version of StarOffice is through the FreeBSD Ports - collection. Future versions of the + collection. The open-source OpenOffice - suite should work as well. + suite also works, and is also in the Ports Collection. @@ -4479,7 +4479,7 @@ - The Open Group has released the source code to &motif; 2.1.30. + The Open Group has released the source code to &motif; 2.2.2. You can install the open-motif package, or compile it from ports. Refer to the ports section of the @@ -4776,6 +4776,19 @@ + + + + Are there any commercial web browsers avaliable for &os;? + + + + Yes. Opera is a multi-platform web browser and is available for &os;. + See www.opera.com for details. + A version of Opera, paid for by banner ads, is also available in ports. + + + --- faq6.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 25 16:10:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C26216A4CE for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:10:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8E943D48 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:10:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8PGAOY3052165 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:10:24 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8PGAOwb052164; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:10:24 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:10:24 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200409251610.i8PGAOwb052164@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Gavin Atkinson Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7519A16A4CF for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:05:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-gw0.york.ac.uk (mail-gw0.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.245]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88F643D55 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:05:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ga9@buffy.york.ac.uk) Received: from buffy.york.ac.uk (buffy.york.ac.uk [144.32.226.160]) by mail-gw0.york.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8PG56N9020471 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:05:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from buffy.york.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by buffy.york.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i8PCRkAI011228 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:27:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ga9@buffy.york.ac.uk) Received: (from ga9@localhost) by buffy.york.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id i8PCRkIB011227; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:27:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ga9) Message-Id: <200409251227.i8PCRkIB011227@buffy.york.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:27:46 +0100 (BST) From: Gavin Atkinson To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/72081: Updates to FAQ chapter 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gavin Atkinson List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:10:24 -0000 >Number: 72081 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Updates to FAQ chapter 7 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Sep 25 16:10:23 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Gavin Atkinson >Release: FreeBSD 5.3-BETA2 i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD buffy.york.ac.uk 5.3-BETA2 FreeBSD 5.3-BETA2 #9: Mon Sep 6 15:59:27 BST 2004 root@buffy.york.ac.uk:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 >Description: A handful of updates to the User Applications section of the FAQ. Update for .tbz packages, update for location of packages on ftp sites, URL changes, and correct procedure for updating the ports collection ("ports upgrade kits" haven't existed for a long time...) >How-To-Repeat: N/A >Fix: (patch also at http://www.devrandom.co.uk/freebsd/faq7.diff) --- faq7.diff begins here --- Index: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.653 diff -u -r1.653 book.sgml --- doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml 22 Sep 2004 19:38:51 -0000 1.653 +++ doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml 24 Sep 2004 13:49:12 -0000 @@ -4804,7 +4804,7 @@ ports/ directory. We also support the concept of a - package, essentially no more than a gzipped + package, essentially no more than a compressed binary distribution with a little extra intelligence embedded in it for doing whatever custom installation work is required. A package can be installed and uninstalled @@ -4816,7 +4816,7 @@ post-configuration menu item) or invoke the &man.pkg.add.1; command on the specific package files you are interested in installing. Package files can usually be - identified by their .tgz suffix and + identified by their .tgz or .tbz suffix and CDROM distribution people will have a packages/All directory on their CD which contains such files. They can also be downloaded @@ -4835,11 +4835,21 @@ - for 5.X-CURRENT + for 5.X-RELEASE/5-STABLE - ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-5-current + url="ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-5-stable/"> + ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-5-stable + + + + + + for 6.X-CURRENT + + + ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6-current @@ -4886,7 +4896,7 @@ After installing the news/inn package or port, an excellent place to start is Dave + url="http://www.visi.com/~barr/INN.html">Dave Barr's INN Page where you will find the INN FAQ. @@ -4923,9 +4933,12 @@ If you are running a FreeBSD version that lags - significantly behind -CURRENT or -STABLE, you may need a ports - upgrade kit from - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/. If you are up to date, + significantly behind -CURRENT or -STABLE, you may need to update + your Ports Collection with &man.cvsup.1; + as described in the + Handbook. + If you are up to date, then someone might have committed a change to the port which works for -CURRENT but which broke the port for -STABLE. Please submit a bug report on this with the --- faq7.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 25 16:10:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A90AF16A4CE for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:10:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2BF43D48 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:10:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8PGAOYO052178 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:10:24 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8PGAOCf052177; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:10:24 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:10:24 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200409251610.i8PGAOCf052177@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Gavin Atkinson Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3914516A4D0 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:05:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-gw0.york.ac.uk (mail-gw0.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.245]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B553943D2D for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:05:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ga9@buffy.york.ac.uk) Received: from buffy.york.ac.uk (buffy.york.ac.uk [144.32.226.160]) by mail-gw0.york.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8PG56N5020471 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:05:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from buffy.york.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by buffy.york.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i8PFxCSd011751 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:59:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ga9@buffy.york.ac.uk) Received: (from ga9@localhost) by buffy.york.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id i8PFxCTi011750; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:59:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ga9) Message-Id: <200409251559.i8PFxCTi011750@buffy.york.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:59:12 +0100 (BST) From: Gavin Atkinson To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/72082: Updates to the FAQ chapter 3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gavin Atkinson List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:10:24 -0000 >Number: 72082 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Updates to the FAQ chapter 3 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Sep 25 16:10:24 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Gavin Atkinson >Release: FreeBSD 5.3-BETA2 i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD buffy.york.ac.uk 5.3-BETA2 FreeBSD 5.3-BETA2 #9: Mon Sep 6 15:59:27 BST 2004 root@buffy.york.ac.uk:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 >Description: Various updates to the FAQ chapter 3 (Installation) to bring it up to date with respect to 5.X and other developments. >How-To-Repeat: N/A >Fix: (Patch also available at http://www.devrandom.co.uk/freebsd/faq3.diff ) --- faq3.diff begins here --- Index: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.653 diff -u -r1.653 book.sgml --- doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml 22 Sep 2004 19:38:51 -0000 1.653 +++ doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml 25 Sep 2004 15:51:22 -0000 @@ -1123,7 +1123,11 @@ floppies/kernel.flp and floppies/mfsroot.flp. These images need to be copied onto floppies by tools like - fdimage or &man.dd.1;. + fdimage or &man.dd.1;. + In &os; 5.3 and later, the boot floppies have been restructured + and you need floppies/boot.flp and + all the floppies/kernX + files (of which there are currently two). If you need to download the distributions yourself (for a DOS filesystem install, for instance), below are some @@ -1132,7 +1136,7 @@ - bin/ + base/ (bin/ in 4.X) @@ -1230,10 +1234,13 @@ - You will need a 386 or better PC, with 5 MB or more of RAM + For versions prior to 5.X, you will need a 386 or better + PC, with 5 MB or more of RAM and at least 60 MB of hard disk space. It can run with a low end MDA graphics card but to run X11R6, a VGA or better video - card is needed. + card is needed. For &os; 5.X you will need a 486 or better + PC, with 8 MB or more of RAM and at least 150 MB of hard disk + space. See also . @@ -1248,9 +1255,10 @@ FreeBSD 2.1.7 was the last version of FreeBSD that could be installed on a 4MB system. FreeBSD 2.2 and later - needs at least 5MB to install on a new system. + needs at least 5MB, and &os; 5.X needs at least 8MB to + install on a new system. - All versions of FreeBSD will run + All versions of FreeBSD prior to 5.X will run in 4MB of RAM, they just cannot run the installation program in 4MB. You can add extra memory for the install process, if you like, and then after the system is up and @@ -1294,13 +1302,13 @@ - Can &windows; 95/98 co-exist with FreeBSD? + Can &windows; co-exist with FreeBSD? - Install &windows; 95/98 first, after that FreeBSD. - FreeBSD's boot manager will then manage to boot Win95/98 and - FreeBSD. If you install &windows; 95/98 second, it will boorishly + Install &windows; first, after that FreeBSD. + FreeBSD's boot manager will then manage to boot &windows; and + FreeBSD. If you install &windows; second, it will boorishly overwrite your boot manager without even asking. If that happens, see the next section. @@ -1308,7 +1316,7 @@ - &windows; 95/98 killed my boot manager! + &windows; killed my boot manager! How do I get it back? @@ -1429,13 +1437,13 @@ It has been reported that later IBM BIOS revisions may have reintroduced the bug. This + url="http://docs.FreeBSD.org/cgi/mid.cgi?20010427133759.A71732">This message from Jacques Vidrine to the &a.mobile; describes a procedure which may work if your newer IBM laptop does not boot FreeBSD properly, and you can upgrade or downgrade the BIOS. - If you have an earlier BIOS, and upgrading is not an option a + If you have an earlier BIOS, and upgrading is not an option, a workaround is to install FreeBSD, change the partition ID FreeBSD uses, and install new boot blocks that can handle the different partition ID. @@ -1683,7 +1691,7 @@ If you are running FreeBSD 3.X or earlier, also look at the Mobile + url="http://www.jp.freebsd.org/PAO/">Mobile Computing page. @@ -1808,7 +1816,7 @@ - When I boot FreeBSD I get Missing Operating + When I boot FreeBSD for the first time after install I get Missing Operating System. What is happening? @@ -1877,15 +1885,17 @@ Building a new kernel was originally pretty much a required step in a FreeBSD installation, but more recent releases have - benefited from the introduction of a much friendlier kernel - configuration tool. When at the FreeBSD boot prompt (boot:), + benefited from the introduction of much friendlier kernel + configuration methods. In 4.X and earlier, when at the FreeBSD boot prompt (boot:), use the flag and you will be dropped into a visual configuration screen which allows you to configure the - kernel's settings for most common ISA cards. + kernel's settings for most common ISA cards. In &os; 5.X + this has been replaced by much more flexible "hints" which + can be set from the loader prompt. - It is still recommended that you eventually build a new + It may still be worthwhile building a new kernel containing just the drivers that you need, just to save a - bit of RAM, but it is no longer a strict requirement for most + bit of RAM, but it is no longer necessary for most systems. @@ -2029,11 +2039,19 @@ - For memory, the limit is 4 gigabytes. If you plan to install - this much memory into a machine, you need to be careful. You will - probably want to use ECC memory and to reduce capacitive - loading use 9 chip memory modules versus 18 chip memory - modules. + The limit is 4 gigabytes on a standard &i386; install. + Beginning with &os; versions 4.9 and 5.1, more memory can be + supported through &man.pae.4;. This does require a kernel + recompile, with an extra option to enable PAE: + + options PAE + + &os;/PC-98 has a limit of 4 GB memory, and PAE can not + be used with it. On &os;/Alpha, the limit on memory depends + on the type of hardware in use - consult the Alpha Hardware + Release Notes for details. Other architectures + supported by &os; have much higher theoretical limits on + maximum memory (many terabytes). --- faq3.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 25 16:54:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8E316A4CF; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:54:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F07043D55; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:54:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (ceri@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8PGs5ix053468; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:54:05 GMT (envelope-from ceri@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from ceri@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8PGs5PL053464; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:54:05 GMT (envelope-from ceri) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:54:05 GMT From: Ceri Davies Message-Id: <200409251654.i8PGs5PL053464@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ceri@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, ceri@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/72058: Note that Apache 2.x contains SSL by default X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:54:05 -0000 Synopsis: Note that Apache 2.x contains SSL by default Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ceri Responsible-Changed-By: ceri Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Sep 25 16:53:31 GMT 2004 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll get this committed after the slush is over. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=72058 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 25 17:10:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4AC16A4CE; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:10:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2C243D39; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:10:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (ceri@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8PHAphr058909; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:10:51 GMT (envelope-from ceri@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from ceri@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8PHApZS058905; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:10:51 GMT (envelope-from ceri) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:10:51 GMT From: Ceri Davies Message-Id: <200409251710.i8PHApZS058905@freefall.freebsd.org> To: gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk, ceri@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, ceri@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/72080: Updates to FAQ chapter 6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:10:52 -0000 Synopsis: Updates to FAQ chapter 6 State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed State-Changed-By: ceri State-Changed-When: Sat Sep 25 17:09:39 GMT 2004 State-Changed-Why: Looks reasonable. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ceri Responsible-Changed-By: ceri Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Sep 25 17:09:39 GMT 2004 Responsible-Changed-Why: Assign to me. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=72080 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 25 17:13:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83EF16A4CF; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:13:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75A943D48; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:13:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (ceri@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8PHDfwO059082; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:13:41 GMT (envelope-from ceri@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from ceri@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8PHDfXh059077; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:13:41 GMT (envelope-from ceri) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:13:41 GMT From: Ceri Davies Message-Id: <200409251713.i8PHDfXh059077@freefall.freebsd.org> To: gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk, ceri@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, ceri@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/72081: Updates to FAQ chapter 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:13:42 -0000 Synopsis: Updates to FAQ chapter 7 State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed State-Changed-By: ceri State-Changed-When: Sat Sep 25 17:12:15 GMT 2004 State-Changed-Why: Pretty much spoton. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ceri Responsible-Changed-By: ceri Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Sep 25 17:12:15 GMT 2004 Responsible-Changed-Why: Add to my pending queue. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=72081 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 25 17:16:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC8516A4CE; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:16:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99A143D3F; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:16:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (ceri@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8PHGpVO059170; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:16:51 GMT (envelope-from ceri@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from ceri@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8PHGppU059166; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:16:51 GMT (envelope-from ceri) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:16:51 GMT From: Ceri Davies Message-Id: <200409251716.i8PHGppU059166@freefall.freebsd.org> To: gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk, ceri@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, ceri@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/72082: Updates to the FAQ chapter 3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:16:52 -0000 Synopsis: Updates to the FAQ chapter 3 State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed State-Changed-By: ceri State-Changed-When: Sat Sep 25 17:16:00 GMT 2004 State-Changed-Why: This one should go in before tagging. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ceri Responsible-Changed-By: ceri Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Sep 25 17:16:00 GMT 2004 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll look at this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=72082 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 25 18:25:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5FD516A4CE for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:25:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rillonia.org (adsl-209-233-23-82.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.233.23.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F2043D3F for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:25:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ruxpin@rillonia.org) Received: (from ruxpin@localhost) by rillonia.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8PIaWp08499; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:36:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "'TeddyRuxpin'" Message-Id: <200409251836.i8PIaWp08499@rillonia.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:36:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Web docs about CD install X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:25:49 -0000 Greetings! I am in process of trying to install FreeBSD 5.2.1 from ftp downloaded .iso CDs (created on a win98 system) on a year-old PC hardware (1.7G P4 PCI bus etc.) In the past I have installed Win3.11, win95, win98, win2k, Linux from 7.x thru fedora, and NetBSD. I have a few clues on installing. Your CD install process has a big up-front problem! SUMMARY: You need a clear and up-front section in CD install listing the 4 CD names, what they do and how to use them. You probably need better switching on options within the CDs depending on what the CD really contains. DETAILS: Your web page has a 'Getting FreeBSD' link, which I followed, and got to an FTP site, dir suitable for my machine and the version I want. There are 4 .iso listed. No clue but names as to what they are. Checking notes elsewhere - Web page has NO info (or its well hidden) on what iso does what! I found a hint - that one can buy a '4 CD set' - conclusion - I need all 4. I ftp all 4, check the md5 sums, burn them to CD. No problem. Which to Boot? NO instructions on the website. All I have are names on CDs. Try BootOnly... Well it boots. Does not config much, looks like it does not have install. No options to go to another CD. No clues about CDs. Try CD-boot disc1.iso - it does not boot. I get grub presumably from HD. Try miniinstall.iso. This boots and does an install. I selected mostly defaults. It formats the HD and installs OS. but no X? There is a packages to install option - all it seems to select is perl. That looks wrong, but theres no other option to insert other CD, and I would expect disc1 and or disc2 to have the packages - they are more like the right size. But how to use them? Still fiddling... TR