From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 03:40:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB18716A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:40:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.finnovative.net (mail.finnovative.net [204.247.59.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E02743D39 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:40:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linuxuser@finnovative.net) Received: from [192.168.1.124] ([192.168.55.1]) by mail.finnovative.net over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:40:08 -0800 Message-ID: <41FC5717.7030100@finnovative.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:40:07 -0800 From: Joaquin Menchaca User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.2; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org References: <41F170F1.2010701@finnovative.net> <41F490F0.9020901@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <41F490F0.9020901@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2005 03:40:08.0715 (UTC) FILETIME=[651F35B0:01C5067D] Subject: Mac mini and FreeBSD - broadcom X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:40:09 -0000 Peter Grehan wrote: >> In order to get one on the first day, I had to take a standard >> config. So, I don't have bluetooth or airport extreme on this >> Mac-mini. I have no idea what FreeBSD might do with those. > > > Nothing yet. Maybe never :-( > > They're both Broadcom parts with no public documentation. I've used > external Bluetooth USB dongles successfully on FreeBSD/PPC. Seriously?!?!! OMG. I just was reading Linux Unwired, and they warned that there is no support for Broadcom due to that problem, documentation or cooperation. That's horrible. I wonder if the wireless lan kit for the shuttles (http://global.shuttle.com/Product/Accessories/acc_Spec.asp?A_id=40) might fit nicely into the mini... Though, I hope they don't use broadcom either. If it'll help maybe we should write letters to CE0 "Scott A. McGregor" and CTO "Dr. Henry Samueli": Broadcom Corporation 16215 Alton Parkway Irvine, California USA 92618 Perhaps nothing will heppn, but then you never know... - joaquin From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 03:40:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1FD16A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:40:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.finnovative.net (mail.finnovative.net [204.247.59.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44DA443D39 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:40:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linuxuser@finnovative.net) Received: from [192.168.1.124] ([192.168.55.1]) by mail.finnovative.net over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:40:11 -0800 Message-ID: <41FC571B.40502@finnovative.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:40:11 -0800 From: Joaquin Menchaca User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.2; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org References: <41F170F1.2010701@finnovative.net> <41F490F0.9020901@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <41F490F0.9020901@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2005 03:40:12.0043 (UTC) FILETIME=[671B05B0:01C5067D] Subject: Mac mini and FreeBSD - broadcom X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:40:12 -0000 Peter Grehan wrote: >> In order to get one on the first day, I had to take a standard >> config. So, I don't have bluetooth or airport extreme on this >> Mac-mini. I have no idea what FreeBSD might do with those. > > > Nothing yet. Maybe never :-( > > They're both Broadcom parts with no public documentation. I've used > external Bluetooth USB dongles successfully on FreeBSD/PPC. Seriously?!?!! OMG. I just was reading Linux Unwired, and they warned that there is no support for Broadcom due to that problem, documentation or cooperation. That's horrible. I wonder if the wireless lan kit for the shuttles (http://global.shuttle.com/Product/Accessories/acc_Spec.asp?A_id=40) might fit nicely into the mini... Though, I hope they don't use broadcom either. If it'll help maybe we should write letters to CE0 "Scott A. McGregor" and CTO "Dr. Henry Samueli": Broadcom Corporation 16215 Alton Parkway Irvine, California USA 92618 Perhaps nothing will heppn, but then you never know... - joaquin From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 03:40:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB0216A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:40:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.finnovative.net (h204-247-59-114.ncal.verio.net [204.247.59.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6475D43D4C for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:40:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linuxuser@finnovative.net) Received: from [192.168.1.124] ([192.168.55.1]) by mail.finnovative.net over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:40:25 -0800 Message-ID: <41FC5729.7060506@finnovative.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:40:25 -0800 From: Joaquin Menchaca User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.2; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org References: <41F170F1.2010701@finnovative.net> <41F490F0.9020901@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <41F490F0.9020901@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2005 03:40:25.0777 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F4AAA10:01C5067D] Subject: Mac mini and FreeBSD - broadcom X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:40:26 -0000 Peter Grehan wrote: >> In order to get one on the first day, I had to take a standard >> config. So, I don't have bluetooth or airport extreme on this >> Mac-mini. I have no idea what FreeBSD might do with those. > > > Nothing yet. Maybe never :-( > > They're both Broadcom parts with no public documentation. I've used > external Bluetooth USB dongles successfully on FreeBSD/PPC. Seriously?!?!! OMG. I just was reading Linux Unwired, and they warned that there is no support for Broadcom due to that problem, documentation or cooperation. That's horrible. I wonder if the wireless lan kit for the shuttles (http://global.shuttle.com/Product/Accessories/acc_Spec.asp?A_id=40) might fit nicely into the mini... Though, I hope they don't use broadcom either. If it'll help maybe we should write letters to CE0 "Scott A. McGregor" and CTO "Dr. Henry Samueli": Broadcom Corporation 16215 Alton Parkway Irvine, California USA 92618 Perhaps nothing will heppn, but then you never know... - joaquin From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 06:27:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A37716A4CE; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 06:27:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp2.server.rpi.edu (smtp2.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB9D43D3F; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 06:27:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp2.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j0V6RTBA009273; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:27:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <41F8678A.5020005@freebsd.org> References: <41F170F1.2010701@finnovative.net> <41F3AFBD.60505@freebsd.org> <41F47300.3050406@freebsd.org> <41F47C1C.2060608@freebsd.org> <41F48BBB.3080708@freebsd.org> <41F8678A.5020005@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:27:28 -0500 To: Peter Grehan From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mac mini and FreeBSD - buildworld X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 06:27:31 -0000 At 2:01 PM +1000 1/27/05, Peter Grehan wrote: >> >>I tried to do a buildworld of the latest /usr/src, and that dies >>while trying to build libasn1 in kerberos5, with an >> 'Abort trap (core dumped)' >>in cc. However, I was able to do a complete build/install cycle >>if I started with the snapshot of /usr/src which was installed by >>the CD. It looks like that /usr/src might include a few important >>changes which haven't been committed yet. > > Yes: the main one is the toolchain patch: > > www.freebsd.org/~grehan/sysv4.h.diff > > Half of this patch is in gcc source: not sure what's happening with >the __PIC__ portion since I haven't been able to raise David O'Brien >on that matter. > > There's another one for module support: > > www.freebsd.org/~grehan/rs6000.c.diff > > .. but that won't stop a successful build. Okay. I added those two updates, and I was able to do a complete buildworld/installworld cycle. The only noticeable problem when I rebooted was a stream of complaints about ttya, so I just changed the entry for that from 'on' to 'off' in /etc/ttys. > There's a minor sysinstall diff, but no major ones I can think of. I thought I would look to see if there were other updates which might be of interest. It looks like the src tree that you built from was from about 1:48 EST on Dec 27th. Comparing that src-tree to the one on the CD image, I noticed the following: lib/libstand/cd9660.c - something about HFS/ISO9660 hybrid CD's an Apple OpenFirmware 3 sys/dev/gem/if_gem.c - some changes wrt IFQ maxlen and dequeue. sys/dev/ofw/ofw_console.c - "ofw_nopoll" variable introduced to neutralize a while loop in ofw_timeout(). sys/dev/zs/* - several changes probably tied to tty's sys/modules/Makefile - changes wrt the building of modules for 'mem', 'uart', 'syscons' and 'netgraph' (it seems to completely drop 'mem', but I suspect that's a mistake...) sys/powerpc/conf/GENERIC - a couple of changes. I actually used this GENERIC (from the src tree on the ISO) for my own system build. sys/powerpc/powerpc/* - several changes which I didn't look through. At least some (if not all) of these have been committed to HEAD since the snapshot on the Mac ISO. usr.sbin/sysinstall/config.c - minor change to recognize partitions of type = "apple" for powerpc. There were a few other files which had useful-looking changes, but the changes have already been committed to HEAD. Also, there were quite a few files which had changes that had something to do with "spinlocks" vs "critical" areas. I didn't even want to think about pretending to figure those out... The build that I did used the sources from Dec 27th, plus the two updates you mentioned. That seems to be working okay, but I haven't pushed it too much. Sometime this week I'm going to try another build with an up-to-date snapshot of HEAD, the two updates you pointed at, and perhaps some of the others listed above. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 09:20:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C17516A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:20:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from liberty.onthenet.com.au (liberty.OntheNet.com.au [203.22.124.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B394C43D45 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:20:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from [203.144.31.113] (CPE-31-113.dsl.onthenet.net [203.144.31.113]) j0V9KpnP059670; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:20:52 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <41FDF9CF.9020900@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:26:39 +1000 From: Peter Grehan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garance A Drosihn References: <41F170F1.2010701@finnovative.net> <41F3AFBD.60505@freebsd.org> <41F47300.3050406@freebsd.org> <41F47C1C.2060608@freebsd.org> <41F48BBB.3080708@freebsd.org> <41F8678A.5020005@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mac mini and FreeBSD - buildworld X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:20:55 -0000 Hi Garance, > Okay. I added those two updates, and I was able to do a complete > buildworld/installworld cycle. Great news :-) > The only noticeable problem when I > rebooted was a stream of complaints about ttya, so I just changed > the entry for that from 'on' to 'off' in /etc/ttys. Yes, that's a relic of the recent tty subsystem changes. I'll fix that. I'll go through the mods: > lib/libstand/cd9660.c - something about HFS/ISO9660 hybrid CD's > an Apple OpenFirmware 3 The HFS/9660 hybrid CDs have an Apple partition map, with the second partition starting 16 sectors into the CD. This is what OpenFirmware sees when given 'cd:' without a partition number. The mod to libstand was an attempt to modify the iso9660 offset calculations when given 'cd:', but since I put in the cmd-line argument to the loader, which allows 'cd:0' to be specified, this change is no longer relevant. > sys/dev/gem/if_gem.c - some changes wrt IFQ maxlen and dequeue. That's some patches I've been trying for ALTQ. Should be committed soon. > sys/dev/ofw/ofw_console.c - "ofw_nopoll" variable introduced to > neutralize a while loop in ofw_timeout(). This is to better support running the kernel in the gdb psim ppc simulator. Without nopoll, a read from the OpenFirmware console blocks, so this has to be set to 1 inside the debugger to allow forward progress. I might commit this just to avoid keeping my diff alive. > sys/dev/zs/* - several changes probably tied to tty's This was Marius Stobl's patch to the zs driver. I've not really exercised it. > sys/modules/Makefile - changes wrt the building of modules for > 'mem', 'uart', 'syscons' and 'netgraph' (it seems > to completely drop 'mem', but I suspect that's a > mistake...) Yeh, that was the mem module to-and-fro a while back. I'll bring this up to date and commit it, since modules should really be built by default from now on. > sys/powerpc/conf/GENERIC - a couple of changes. I actually used > this GENERIC (from the src tree on the ISO) for > my own system build. Yep, just ALTQ and PF I think. These can be dumped into GENERIC now. I'm going to pull EHCI since it doesn't work too well with external drive enclosures. > usr.sbin/sysinstall/config.c - minor change to recognize partitions > of type = "apple" for powerpc. Without this one the /etc/fstab file isn't written, so I'll try and get this committed. > Also, there were quite a few files which had changes that had > something to do with "spinlocks" vs "critical" areas. I didn't > even want to think about pretending to figure those out... This was John Baldwin's patches. I've backed these out in my own tree, but I think they'll make an appearance soon in HEAD. > The build that I did used the sources from Dec 27th, plus the two > updates you mentioned. That seems to be working okay, but I haven't > pushed it too much. Sometime this week I'm going to try another > build with an up-to-date snapshot of HEAD, the two updates you > pointed at, and perhaps some of the others listed above. Better get my X changes in then :) later, Peter. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 10:26:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB13316A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:26:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web50203.mail.yahoo.com (web50203.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 51DB143D2D for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:26:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from babaloomunchies@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 81336 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2005 10:25:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=NWhkLV9ge6Xtc9B03RPj5Wod2wLXkcCqeHTuDfRNGH1RxngyaMuuOeUrv5IcB0oUTgDqjDM0fq06gVRgx1ixS/smCO33G5Pbe5gCSGAzTbLfmPTC5aS4RFUddOU8wMz6atYiIETeh3L3JFFdgtoSrrM7xEdcTZ5gxJqiwxgrIfY= ; Message-ID: <20050131102559.81334.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.115.229.21] by web50203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 02:25:59 PST Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 02:25:59 -0800 (PST) From: babaloo munchies To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: ppc status page outdated X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:26:00 -0000 Hello, I noticed the FreeBSD ppc page's latest news if from 2002. Is the project dead or is the page just horribly out of date? I think you're going to see lots of FreeBSD ppc interest soon, so if the project is alive, it might be a good idea to update the webpage if possible. If the project is dead, then bring it back! We need it! (Is the project progressing? Will FreeBSD soon work on PPC (i.e. Mac?)) thanks, bubbles __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 14:03:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F167B16A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:03:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.fuse.net (mail-out1.fuse.net [216.68.8.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 163D743D55 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:03:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cokane@ramen.cokane.org) Received: from gx4.fuse.net ([216.196.253.14]) by smtp1.fuse.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050131140151.WXEQ18019.smtp1.fuse.net@gx4.fuse.net> for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:01:51 -0500 Received: from ramen.cokane.org ([216.196.253.14]) by gx4.fuse.net (InterMail vG.1.02.00.02 201-2136-104-102-20041210) with SMTP id <20050131140207.MEAA13012.gx4.fuse.net@ramen.cokane.org> for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:02:07 -0500 Received: (qmail 74344 invoked by uid 1001); 31 Jan 2005 10:10:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:10:40 +0000 From: Coleman Kane To: babaloo munchies Message-ID: <20050131101040.GA41827@ramen> References: <20050131102559.81334.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050131102559.81334.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ppc status page outdated X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:03:50 -0000 --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some of the info is scattered around. Check out=20 http://people.freebsd.org/~grehan/ for more up-to-date info. On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 02:25:59AM -0800, babaloo munchies wrote, and it wa= s proclaimed: > Hello, >=20 > I noticed the FreeBSD ppc page's latest news if from > 2002. Is the project dead or is the page just > horribly out of date? >=20 > I think you're going to see lots of FreeBSD ppc > interest soon, so if the project is alive, it might be > a good idea to update the webpage if possible. If the > project is dead, then bring it back! We need it! (Is > the project progressing? Will FreeBSD soon work on > PPC (i.e. Mac?)) >=20 > thanks, >=20 > bubbles >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ppc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB/gQeuDFwFZcwSdoRAkM9AJ9atNRDyUc8tUx3+k2ZOMjFeY3fpQCfTQLN JkjTzhSoVuPIxGlt1Ia8Zbk= =8Utu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 04:04:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0145F16A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 04:04:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kobudo.homeunix.net (84-245-177-154.bpool.celox.de [84.245.177.154]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6276D43D31 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 04:04:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nealie@kobudo.homeunix.net) Received: from [10.0.0.8] (wtibook.home [10.0.0.8]) by kobudo.homeunix.net with esmtp; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:59:27 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2e0a01a01f29b3b4c89ea0489a907179@kobudo.homeunix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org From: Neal Nelson Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:59:26 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: PowerBook G3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 04:04:38 -0000 Hi all. I was wondering if it was possible to install FreeBSD onto a PowerBook G3 (3500). It has OpenFirmware 2.something, so the boot instructions don't work for this. I was able to install NetBSD < 2.0 on this if that's any help. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 04:08:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA69F16A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 04:08:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from liberty.onthenet.com.au (liberty.OntheNet.com.au [203.22.124.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E4E43D1F for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 04:08:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from [203.144.31.113] (CPE-31-113.dsl.onthenet.net [203.144.31.113]) j1248CnP067720; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:08:14 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <42005387.4020502@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:13:59 +1000 From: Peter Grehan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Neal Nelson References: <2e0a01a01f29b3b4c89ea0489a907179@kobudo.homeunix.net> In-Reply-To: <2e0a01a01f29b3b4c89ea0489a907179@kobudo.homeunix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PowerBook G3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 04:08:16 -0000 Hi Neal, > I was wondering if it was possible to install FreeBSD onto a PowerBook > G3 (3500). It has OpenFirmware 2.something, so the boot instructions > don't work for this. That's right. Amongst other things, v2.x requires the loader to be in XCOFF format instead of ELF, and some of the OpenFirmware calls used by the current loader aren't supported. > I was able to install NetBSD < 2.0 on this if that's any help. NetBSD is pretty good about supporting older models :) later, Peter. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 23:29:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE6D16A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:29:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.finnovative.net (h204-247-59-114.ncal.verio.net [204.247.59.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D584143D2F for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:29:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linuxuser@finnovative.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([192.168.55.105]) by mail.finnovative.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:29:37 -0800 Message-ID: <4201625C.6070706@finnovative.net> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:29:32 -0800 From: Joaquin Menchaca User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org References: <41F170F1.2010701@finnovative.net> <41F3AFBD.60505@freebsd.org> <41F47300.3050406@freebsd.org> <41F47C1C.2060608@freebsd.org> <41F48BBB.3080708@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <41F48BBB.3080708@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 23:29:37.0526 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F7CC960:01C5097F] Subject: Re: Mac mini and FreeBSD - dmesg.boot! X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 23:29:39 -0000 Hi, I noticed that the Disk Utility is way limited. I cannot create/resize partitions on installation of OS. :-( I went out and bought Drive Genius which has a re-partitioning feature. - jm From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 00:38:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8071A16A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:38:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.finnovative.net (mail.finnovative.net [204.247.59.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4813743D53 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:38:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linuxuser@finnovative.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([192.168.55.105]) by mail.finnovative.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:38:18 -0800 Message-ID: <42017276.1010304@finnovative.net> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:38:14 -0800 From: Joaquin Menchaca User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mauro References: <1106542417.29481.168.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41F4ADC1.8070201@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <41F4ADC1.8070201@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2005 00:38:18.0605 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7D789D0:01C50988] cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: airport estreme with Freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:38:19 -0000 Peter Grehan wrote: > Hi Mauro, > >> It seems there are some bsd people messing around with airport extreme. >> I'm wondering if freebsd macppc will be able to make use of this. >> Are you guys aware of this? How far is this along? Usable? > > > I'm quite sure the airport-extreme hardware in recent notebooks can't > be supported by open source o/s's because Broadcom hasn't released the > documentation and firmware required to write drivers. > > later, > > Peter. This has been an outstanding issue on all platforms including Linux. I read about this in Linux Unwired. My take on it is that Broadcom feels that they have a competitive advantage, and documenting their stuff, would compromise that advantage. That's only a theory from discussions with my UNIX Admin buddies. :-) From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 06:25:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7696A16A4CF for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:25:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from liberty.onthenet.com.au (liberty.OntheNet.com.au [203.22.124.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E0743D41 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:25:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from [203.144.19.141] (CPE-19-141.dsl.OntheNet.net [203.144.19.141]) j136PgnP072629; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:25:43 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <4201C54A.8090009@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 16:31:38 +1000 From: Peter Grehan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joaquin Menchaca References: <1106542417.29481.168.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41F4ADC1.8070201@freebsd.org> <42017276.1010304@finnovative.net> In-Reply-To: <42017276.1010304@finnovative.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: airport estreme with Freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 06:25:47 -0000 > This has been an outstanding issue on all platforms including Linux. I > read about this in Linux Unwired. My take on it is that Broadcom feels > that they have a competitive advantage, and documenting their stuff, > would compromise that advantage. That's only a theory from discussions > with my UNIX Admin buddies. :-) That's one theory, and another is that the WiFi manufacturers don't want to allow hackers to modify radio power settings or they'll lose their FCC licenses for the product. later, Peter. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 08:08:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB4C16A4CE; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:08:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (outbound05.telus.net [199.185.220.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A1643D4C; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:08:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mcepeda@ualberta.ca) Received: from [192.168.0.113] (really [142.59.231.163]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP <20050203080806.PHSB7841.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@[192.168.0.113]>; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 01:08:06 -0700 From: Mauro To: Peter Grehan In-Reply-To: <4201C54A.8090009@freebsd.org> References: <1106542417.29481.168.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41F4ADC1.8070201@freebsd.org> <42017276.1010304@finnovative.net> <4201C54A.8090009@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 01:08:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1107418085.4125.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: airport estreme with Freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 08:08:08 -0000 I don't buy the theory about government frequencies. This theory asks one to believe that government frequencies are not intercepted or tampered with in some fashion. They are tampered with and can be done so easily. Legally sold scanners enable one to listen in to all sorts of private signals. Also, mundane Radio shack parts apparently will allow the techy in the know to manipulate government frequencies. The idea that they keep their specs in the dark because an insignificant number of geeks might want to fool around with government frequencies is not sound because these are not numbers to worry about, and because it's not as if broadcom would be setting a precedence enabling the manipulation of government frequencies by the public. The concept of broadcom not releasing specs because they do not want to "step on government toes" is also problematic because it is ethnocentric. It assumes that these set of frequencies are illegal in all localities where wireless is sold (globally). Although I have not studied it, this is probably not so. The one about having competitive edge makes sense. Especially considering the history, one of refusal to co-operate I'm told, that broadcom towards free/open source movements. This a propietary linux driver for airport extreme: http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz As for an opensource project for airport extreme, its here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-bcom4301/ I have to say, link such as this one: http://www.monkey.org/openbsd/archive/misc/0307/msg00808.html suggest that some people do have airport extreme working, contrary to common opinion. On a related note, I found this: "http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-bcom4301/ Now the above link is working towards a driver that willl be portable to various archs. And they do have access to the specs of airport extreme by way of an unnamed company. The problem is that these devs are obligated to not divulge publically. That's why it is going slow. It is interesting to note that their site mentions, to the best of my recollection and presumably prior to getting access to specs, that they hope some company will feel obligated by gpl to make the specs public or co-operate with open/free source devs (I'm paraphrasing). What I understand from this is that airport extreme uses open/free source code in their driver. Thus, if this is true, in my opinion braodcom is violating gpl license because gpl obligates them to make public the source. The only exception to the above rule is if broadcom were not to distribute the driver they could keep the source (and changes) to themselves. But since drivers for airport extreme hardware (a broadcom product) are distributed with OSs, the drivers should be opened up (again my interpretation of gpl). Perhaps, broadcom's refusal to co-operate with the public directly is their legal attempt around this. They dump the responcibility of providing drivers for their hardware to apple (as per an email I have from them). They basically told me, your want drivers, get them from apple. Yeah right, as if apple is going to distribute linux drivers! Shows how stubborn and how commited they are to their refusal to co-operate with free source (idiots in my book). Apple's whole reason behind broadcom and the odd connector is obviously to limit interoperablity. Ergo, it's an attempt to lock their hardware customers to their bloated and slow OS (or at least this is how I feel being an owner of a 2004 ibook with airport extreme). I give broadcom two fingers up, three if you count ..." On Thu, 2005-03-02 at 16:31 +1000, Peter Grehan wrote: > > This has been an outstanding issue on all platforms including Linux. I > > read about this in Linux Unwired. My take on it is that Broadcom feels > > that they have a competitive advantage, and documenting their stuff, > > would compromise that advantage. That's only a theory from discussions > > with my UNIX Admin buddies. :-) > > That's one theory, and another is that the WiFi manufacturers don't > want to allow hackers to modify radio power settings or they'll > lose their FCC licenses for the product. > > later, > > Peter. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ppc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 15:04:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E10E16A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:04:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hermes.oxyd.fr (mx.oxyd.net [195.137.249.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A99243D2D for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:04:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pcasidy@casidy.com) Received: from [212.43.253.140] (helo=smtp.casidy.net) by hermes.oxyd.fr with asmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Cx50d-0008Bc-Of for freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:04:35 +0100 Received: from casidy.com (unknown [192.168.1.5]) by smtp.casidy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6ABB870 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:04:31 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:13:28 +0100 (CET) From: pcasidy@casidy.com To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: <20050204150431.0E6ABB870@smtp.casidy.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-auth-smtp-user: postmaster@casidy.com X-abuse-contact: abuse@oxyd.fr Subject: Booting mini-inst on Pegasos I X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 15:04:37 -0000 Hi! For you information, I have just take a few minutes to try the miniinst iso on a Pegasos I: using boot /pci/ide/cd boot/loader.;1 it has been able to boot but freeze after/while loading loader.conf. Here is a trace (handcopied) <<<-- begin of transcript -->>> FreeBSD/Open Firmware/PowerPC bootstrap loader, Revision 0.1 (root@emacfbsd.ptree32.com.au, Wed Dec 29 11:32.39 UTC 2004) Memory: 262144KB Booted from: /pci@80000000/ide7,1/cd@1,1 Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf \ <<<-- end of transcript -->>> Unfortunately, as I have not been able to boot over the network (broken NIC?), I am not able to debug it yet (I may try to build an iso soon) --=20 Philippe CASIDY Consultant G=E9nie Logiciel - Syst=E8mes & R=E9seaux Informatiques T=E9l : +33 (0)5 61 76 99 89 Fax : +33 (0)5 61 76 97 04 http://www.casidy.com/ Mon catalogue de formation est disponible: http://www.casidy.com/fr_Forma= tions.html From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 23:29:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85FBB16A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:29:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from liberty.onthenet.com.au (liberty.OntheNet.com.au [203.22.124.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC69243D1F for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:29:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from [203.144.19.141] (CPE-19-141.dsl.OntheNet.net [203.144.19.141]) j14NT5nP080746; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:29:07 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <420406A4.8070300@freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 09:35:00 +1000 From: Peter Grehan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pcasidy@casidy.com References: <20050204150431.0E6ABB870@smtp.casidy.net> In-Reply-To: <20050204150431.0E6ABB870@smtp.casidy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Booting mini-inst on Pegasos I X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:29:23 -0000 > For you information, I have just take a few minutes to try the miniinst > iso on a Pegasos I: > > using boot /pci/ide/cd boot/loader.;1 it has been able to boot but > freeze after/while loading loader.conf. > > Here is a trace (handcopied) > > <<<-- begin of transcript -->>> > FreeBSD/Open Firmware/PowerPC bootstrap loader, Revision 0.1 > (root@emacfbsd.ptree32.com.au, Wed Dec 29 11:32.39 UTC 2004) > Memory: 262144KB > Booted from: /pci@80000000/ide7,1/cd@1,1 > > Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf > \ > <<<-- end of transcript -->>> I'm surprised it made it that far! I can absolutely guarantee that the kernel won't work even if it could be loaded because the system controller used on the Pegasos isn't supported. To debug the loader, I'd recommend inserting printfs in appropriate places. From the above, it looks like it's falling over somewhere while loading the kernel. Be prepared to do lots of CD burning if you can't boot over the net :) later, Peter.