From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 3 14:47:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4382316A400 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:47:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trigves@yahoo.com) Received: from web52706.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52706.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D681913C46A for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:47:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trigves@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 49740 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2007 14:21:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=p2lCrwaPeEkXyHzm8SvhDpGYoUV1Rb9y1F5+nfN6B6JV2ZSVyXCn/TCwH4H/levVdNDuwGJyiBl/xVpKexKdHYEt4LXyJx1gGKkIBXymbUGltymje3ziDtTpFxXaEIOWpRfipGgRZR3J/TtEOCtarLNL6pWtiab83Om/U5+MRyc=; X-YMail-OSG: BWqP52gVM1mwFusnvslKJfB_PIhu22aXFn6lFJtNiCwebsxF4CrEsMAHYmQVH.t85g-- Received: from [195.98.12.130] by web52706.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 07:21:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.23.1 YahooMailWebService/0.7.41.14 Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 07:21:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Trigve Siver To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Message-ID: <160044.47186.qm@web52706.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: joystick with sound blaster live! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 14:47:53 -0000 Hi all, I have a gameport joystick which is connected to sound blaster live! gameport (it is a PCI card). But joystick doesn't work. I have googled some stuff that joystick connected through PCI card gameport isn't supported. Is it true? If yes what should be done to make it working? thanks Trigve ___________________________________________________________________________________ You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 3 16:27:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A95116A400 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 16:27:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@digitalstratum.com) Received: from mail.mundomateo.com (static-24-56-193-117.chrlmi.cablespeed.com [24.56.193.117]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56AEC13C487 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 16:27:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@digitalstratum.com) Received: from [10.0.81.13] (unknown [10.0.81.1]) by mail.mundomateo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5EBBDC44 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4662E72B.70003@digitalstratum.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:07:07 -0400 From: Matthew Hagerty Organization: Digital Stratum User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Promise TX2300 array not detected. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matthew@digitalstratum.com List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:27:45 -0000 Greetings, I have a Promise TX2300 (latest BIOS 2.5.0.3122) that I'm trying to use with 6.2R. I set up a two disk mirror using the card's BIOS utility, but when I go to install FBSD my disk selection is only ad4 and ad6, the array is not being recognized (I believe I should have an ar0 in the list as well). I can install on a single disk just fine, I just can't get FBSD to see the array. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Matthew From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 3 17:44:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E989D16A400 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 17:44:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lukas@razik.de) Received: from fmmailgate02.web.de (fmmailgate02.web.de [217.72.192.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF3513C44B for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 17:44:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lukas@razik.de) Received: from smtp05.web.de (fmsmtp05.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.4.166]) by fmmailgate02.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4375A84C2700; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 19:23:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [88.76.44.213] (helo=[192.168.0.7]) by smtp05.web.de with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (WEB.DE 4.108 #197) id 1HutWQ-0004dT-00; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:05:42 +0200 Message-ID: <4662F5BF.4090709@razik.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:09:19 +0200 From: Lukas Razik User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de-AT; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060417 FreeBSD/i386 X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matthew@digitalstratum.com References: <4662E72B.70003@digitalstratum.com> In-Reply-To: <4662E72B.70003@digitalstratum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: lukas@razik.de X-Sender: X-Provags-ID: Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Promise TX2300 array not detected. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:44:23 -0000 Hello Matthew! You can read my experience with the TX4310 controller (same as TX2300 but with 4 ports and RAID5 support - TX4300 doesn't have RAID5): http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/2006-May/003505.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/2006-May/003506.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/2006-May/003507.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/2006-May/003508.html I hope you will get it work with the 'atacontrol' command: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=atacontrol&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+6.2-RELEASE&format=html The problem for me with atacontrol was that after booting Windows my /dev/arX device always has been destroyed. My solution was: Buying a 3ware 8006-2LP 2-port SATA HARDWARE RAID Controller which has better performance than the TX4310 although it's SATA and not SATA-II and also very good Linux support. Regards and Good Luck! Lukas Matthew Hagerty wrote: > Greetings, > > I have a Promise TX2300 (latest BIOS 2.5.0.3122) that I'm trying to use > with 6.2R. I set up a two disk mirror using the card's BIOS utility, > but when I go to install FBSD my disk selection is only ad4 and ad6, the > array is not being recognized (I believe I should have an ar0 in the > list as well). > > I can install on a single disk just fine, I just can't get FBSD to see > the array. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Matthew > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 3 23:06:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CBD16A400 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 23:06:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@digitalstratum.com) Received: from mail.mundomateo.com (static-24-56-193-117.chrlmi.cablespeed.com [24.56.193.117]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADA413C45E for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 23:06:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@digitalstratum.com) Received: from [10.0.81.13] (unknown [10.0.81.1]) by mail.mundomateo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB46BDC44; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 19:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4663496A.40202@digitalstratum.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:06:18 -0400 From: Matthew Hagerty Organization: Digital Stratum User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lukas Razik References: <4662E72B.70003@digitalstratum.com> <4662F5BF.4090709@razik.de> In-Reply-To: <4662F5BF.4090709@razik.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Promise TX2300 array not detected. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matthew@digitalstratum.com List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 23:06:50 -0000 Matthew Hagerty wrote: > Greetings, > > I have a Promise TX2300 (latest BIOS 2.5.0.3122) that I'm trying to > use with 6.2R. I set up a two disk mirror using the card's BIOS > utility, but when I go to install FBSD my disk selection is only ad4 > and ad6, the array is not being recognized (I believe I should have an > ar0 in the list as well). > > I can install on a single disk just fine, I just can't get FBSD to see > the array. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Matthew > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Lukas Razik wrote: > Hello Matthew! > > You can read my experience with the TX4310 controller (same as TX2300 > but with 4 ports and RAID5 support - TX4300 doesn't have RAID5): > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/2006-May/003505.html > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/2006-May/003506.html > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/2006-May/003507.html > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/2006-May/003508.html > > I hope you will get it work with the 'atacontrol' command: > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=atacontrol&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+6.2-RELEASE&format=html > > > The problem for me with atacontrol was that after booting Windows my > /dev/arX device always has been destroyed. > > My solution was: > Buying a 3ware 8006-2LP 2-port SATA HARDWARE RAID Controller which has > better performance than the TX4310 although it's SATA and not SATA-II > and also very good Linux support. > > Regards and Good Luck! > Lukas > Lukas, Thanks for the info, I'll give atacontrol a try. I never used it, and really didn't know such a utility existed. Does it actually write something to the disks that lets the array be recognized by FreeBSD? I'm assuming I would: 1. Set the array in the TX2300 BIOS. 2. Boot with live file system disk and use atacontrol to make the array. 3. Reboot with install disk and install on ar0. Is think correct or am I missing part of the picture. Also, once the array is built, can I still use dedicated partitions, or do I have to use compatible partitions? I can only assume that atacontrol has to write something to the disks themselves? Thanks, Matthew From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 4 22:06:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 604F216A481 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 22:06:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jjreynold@ip72-223-32-153.ph.ph.cox.net) Received: from fed1rmmtai106.cox.net (fed1rmmtai106.cox.net [68.230.241.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8CB13C46A for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 22:06:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jjreynold@ip72-223-32-153.ph.ph.cox.net) Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070604212220.WETU15717.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:22:20 -0400 Received: from ip72-223-32-153.ph.ph.cox.net ([72.223.32.153]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 7ZNK1X0023JDq600000000; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:22:19 -0400 Received: from whale.home-net (whale.home-net [192.168.1.2]) by ip72-223-32-153.ph.ph.cox.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l54LMJbt017926 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:22:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jjreynold@dolphin.home-net) Received: from whale.home-net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whale.home-net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l54LMI2l029974 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:22:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jjreynold@whale.home-net) Received: (from jjreynold@localhost) by whale.home-net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l54LMIK3029971; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:22:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jjreynold) From: John Reynolds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18020.33418.651466.347807@whale.home-net> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:22:18 -0700 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.3.1 Cc: Subject: support for components of Gigabyte GA-965P-S3 motherboard? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:06:27 -0000 Hello all, I searched the archives for GA-965P-S3 and other permutations looking for information about the components that come on this Gigabyte motherboard. I didn't find much except stuff related to -current. Can people relate any experiences using this motherboard under -stable or -current? It appears from my reading that in -current the audio will be supported through snd_hda, correct (ICH8 + Realtek ALC883)? Does it work well? What about the Marvell 8056 ethernet? I couldn't find much information about that one though--does the msk happen to support this one too (though the man page doesn't specifically say so)? What about any PATA/SATA problems / issues / successes? Any success (or failurea) stories with the components on this motherboard (whether it be in -current or -stable) would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! -Jr -- John & Jennifer Reynolds johnjen at reynoldsnet.org www.reynoldsnet.org Structural/Physical Design - some group - Intel jreynold at sedona.ch.intel.com Running FreeBSD since 2.1.5-RELEASE. KT7JCR FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! "Unix is user friendly, it's just particular about the friends it chooses." From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 4 23:20:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295CB16A41F for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:20:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gcorcoran@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E156913C46A for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:20:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gcorcoran@rcn.com) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 04 Jun 2007 19:20:18 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.3-GA) with ESMTP id ITA98263; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-55-230.c3-0.tlg-ubr5.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com (HELO [10.56.78.161]) ([207.172.55.230]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 04 Jun 2007 19:20:11 -0400 Message-ID: <46649F51.70809@rcn.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:25:05 -0400 From: Gary Corcoran User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Reynolds References: <18020.33418.651466.347807@whale.home-net> In-Reply-To: <18020.33418.651466.347807@whale.home-net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: support for components of Gigabyte GA-965P-S3 motherboard? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:20:19 -0000 John Reynolds wrote: > Hello all, > > I searched the archives for GA-965P-S3 and other permutations looking for > information about the components that come on this Gigabyte motherboard. I > didn't find much except stuff related to -current. I just built a new PC based on a Gigabyte GA-965GM-S2 board. Not exactly the same, but it seems very similar except mine has built-in video. Since it is intended for a personal file server, all I wanted was VGA. > Can people relate any experiences using this motherboard under -stable or > -current? It appears from my reading that in -current the audio will be > supported through snd_hda, correct (ICH8 + Realtek ALC883)? Does it work well? > What about the Marvell 8056 ethernet? I couldn't find much information about > that one though--does the msk happen to support this one too (though the man > page doesn't specifically say so)? > > What about any PATA/SATA problems / issues / successes? > > Any success (or failurea) stories with the components on this motherboard > (whether it be in -current or -stable) would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! I installed the May 2007 snapshot of current because I wanted to try ZFS. I haven't tried a lot yet, but here's what I found: DVD-RW drive connected to PATA (JMicron controller) worked fine for install. Later, a hard disk connected to the same PATA cable along with the DVD-RW also worked. SATA ports provided by ICH8 work fine in AHCI mode (only tried 1.5Gbps SATA for now). "Gigabyte SATA" ports as they call the 5th and 6th ports provided by the JMicron controller, probed okay, but a SATA hard disk wasn't recognized with the ports set to AHCI mode. Putting those SATA ports back to old compatible "IDE" mode let the disk work. I haven't tried the audio. The Marvell 8056 ethernet is supported by the msk driver. It probes and attaches okay, but, long story short, it is unusable. Pinged okay, but just trying to vi a small file over the network crashed the network connection. Another time the lights on the network switch were constantly going off and on every few seconds. It's just unusable in its current state. When I get time, I'll try to provide a proper report to -current and get some help, but for now I had to plug in an Intel card in a PCI slot. Gary From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 5 00:26:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C2E16A421 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 00:26:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jjreynold@ip72-223-32-153.ph.ph.cox.net) Received: from fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (fed1rmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.241.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF2213C489 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 00:26:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jjreynold@ip72-223-32-153.ph.ph.cox.net) Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070605002655.BUZD1540.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:26:55 -0400 Received: from ip72-223-32-153.ph.ph.cox.net ([72.223.32.153]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 7cSu1X00M3JDq600000000; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:26:54 -0400 Received: from whale.home-net (whale.home-net [192.168.1.2]) by ip72-223-32-153.ph.ph.cox.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l550QsIB018828; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:26:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jjreynold@dolphin.home-net) Received: from whale.home-net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whale.home-net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l550Qs92030541; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:26:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jjreynold@whale.home-net) Received: (from jjreynold@localhost) by whale.home-net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l550QsCA030538; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:26:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jjreynold) From: John Reynolds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18020.44494.161536.424781@whale.home-net> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:26:54 -0700 To: Gary Corcoran In-Reply-To: <46649F51.70809@rcn.com> References: <18020.33418.651466.347807@whale.home-net> <46649F51.70809@rcn.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.3.1 Cc: John Reynolds , , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: support for components of Gigabyte GA-965P-S3 motherboard? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 00:26:55 -0000 [ On Monday, June 4, Gary Corcoran wrote: ] > > I just built a new PC based on a Gigabyte GA-965GM-S2 board. Not exactly > the same, but it seems very similar except mine has built-in video. Since > it is intended for a personal file server, all I wanted was VGA. similar enough--I'm mostly interested in reports about the onboard NIC and sound. > DVD-RW drive connected to PATA (JMicron controller) worked fine for install. > Later, a hard disk connected to the same PATA cable along with the DVD-RW > also worked. cool. > > SATA ports provided by ICH8 work fine in AHCI mode (only tried 1.5Gbps SATA > for now). again, cool. > I haven't tried the audio. from what I can gather it looks like -current is supporting this ICH8/RealTec combo fairly well. There appears to be diff's to apply to -STABLE with a "use at your own risk" type clause attached. > The Marvell 8056 ethernet is supported by the msk driver. It probes and attaches > okay, but, long story short, it is unusable. Pinged okay, but just trying to > vi a small file over the network crashed the network connection. Another time > the lights on the network switch were constantly going off and on every few > seconds. It's just unusable in its current state. When I get time, I'll try > to provide a proper report to -current and get some help, but for now I had > to plug in an Intel card in a PCI slot. interesting ... yes, it'd be nice if this was supported, but the board has enough PCI slots to use "working" NICs ..... thanks for your report! -Jr -- John & Jennifer Reynolds johnjen at reynoldsnet.org www.reynoldsnet.org Structural/Physical Design - some group - Intel jreynold at sedona.ch.intel.com Running FreeBSD since 2.1.5-RELEASE. KT7JCR FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! "Unix is user friendly, it's just particular about the friends it chooses." From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 5 01:17:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173C416A400 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:17:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from cydem.org (S0106000103ce4c9c.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.27.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F043713C469 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:17:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: by cydem.org (Postfix/FreeBSD, from userid 58) id C0992912F1; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:58:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on cydem.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.8 Received: from soralx (unknown [192.168.0.240]) by cydem.org (Postfix/FreeBSD) with ESMTP id 9611C912EA for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:57:58 -0700 From: To: Message-ID: <20070604175758.1e5f51ff@soralx> In-Reply-To: <18020.33418.651466.347807@whale.home-net> References: <18020.33418.651466.347807@whale.home-net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.9.1 (GTK+ 2.10.12; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: support for components of Gigabyte GA-965P-S3 motherboard? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 01:17:07 -0000 > Can people relate any experiences using this motherboard under > -stable or -current? It appears from my reading that in -current the > audio will be supported through snd_hda, correct (ICH8 + Realtek > ALC883)? Does it work well? What about the Marvell 8056 ethernet? I > couldn't find much information about that one though--does the msk > happen to support this one too (though the man page doesn't > specifically say so)? > > What about any PATA/SATA problems / issues / successes? _GA-965P-DS3_ Audio: snd_hda works reasonably well for playback (thanks Ariff!). Also, believe it or not, I'm not even disgusted with the integrated audio's quality. Net: Surprisingly, Marvell have a binary driver for 5.x and 6.x. Look for e.g. 'mykbsd60x86' package on their web site. BTW, it'd be nice if someone could make a port... Seems to work. SATA/IDE: Intel's ICH8 SATA controllers are quite good, as usual. JMicron's controller doesn't like atapicam in kernel, though (halts during boot). Might be something troubleshootable. > -Jr [SorAlx] ridin' VN1500-B2 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 5 04:55:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6753916A468 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 04:55:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from schitzo.solgatos.com (pool-71-117-239-32.ptldor.fios.verizon.net [71.117.239.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46BB013C465 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 04:55:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from schitzo.solgatos.com (localhost.home.localnet [127.0.0.1]) by schitzo.solgatos.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l554tV14008247 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:55:31 -0700 Received: from sopwith.solgatos.com (uucp@localhost) by schitzo.solgatos.com (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with UUCP id l554tV3O008244 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:55:31 -0700 Received: from localhost by sopwith.solgatos.com (8.8.8/6.24) id EAA17749; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 04:51:20 GMT Message-Id: <200706050451.EAA17749@sopwith.solgatos.com> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:51:20 +0100 From: Dieter Subject: Re: Non-raid PCIe SATA controller with 8 ports? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 04:55:34 -0000 > - as you mentioned, without the battery backup the cache on the > controller would have to be write-through, which disabled much of > the advantage of the thing. > I can't have NCQ on the NVidia SATA ports, Yes, very annoying to choose hardware that supports NCQ and then discover you can't use it due to no software support. :-( Surely someone can translate this from penguin to daemon? http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/jgarzik/libata/archive/2.6.17-nv-adma.patch.bz2 > and hence have to use the disk's write cache. Huh? Is a write-back cache in a disk somehow safer than a write-back cache in a controller? We really really need NCQ. :-/ From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 6 20:24:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C8716A421 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 20:24:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lukas@razik.de) Received: from fmmailgate02.web.de (fmmailgate02.web.de [217.72.192.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A71713C4AD for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 20:24:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lukas@razik.de) Received: from smtp07.web.de (fmsmtp07.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.215]) by fmmailgate02.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE8185E8356; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:24:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [84.63.98.110] (helo=[192.168.0.7]) by smtp07.web.de with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (WEB.DE 4.108 #197) id 1Hw23U-0001K8-00; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:24:32 +0200 Message-ID: <466718DC.2030600@razik.de> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:28:12 +0200 From: Lukas Razik User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de-AT; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060417 FreeBSD/i386 X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matthew@digitalstratum.com References: <4662E72B.70003@digitalstratum.com> <4662F5BF.4090709@razik.de> <4663496A.40202@digitalstratum.com> In-Reply-To: <4663496A.40202@digitalstratum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: lukas@razik.de X-Sender: lukasrazik@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Otc7CB/XJk2NynbjCtz5XMXVLYMsMvSNndT6i qHdtkVreGbfDFT0gvpowQbquk0z6fkEXIFe7eTvjeGp19pbhAP KTdsrBxgY= Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Promise TX2300 array not detected. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:24:35 -0000 Matthew Hagerty schrieb: > Matthew Hagerty wrote: > >> Greetings, >> >> I have a Promise TX2300 (latest BIOS 2.5.0.3122) that I'm trying to >> use with 6.2R. I set up a two disk mirror using the card's BIOS >> utility, but when I go to install FBSD my disk selection is only ad4 >> and ad6, the array is not being recognized (I believe I should have an >> ar0 in the list as well). >> >> I can install on a single disk just fine, I just can't get FBSD to see >> the array. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Matthew >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > Lukas Razik wrote: > >> Hello Matthew! >> >> You can read my experience with the TX4310 controller (same as TX2300 >> but with 4 ports and RAID5 support - TX4300 doesn't have RAID5): >> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/2006-May/003505.html >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/2006-May/003506.html >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/2006-May/003507.html >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/2006-May/003508.html >> >> I hope you will get it work with the 'atacontrol' command: >> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=atacontrol&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+6.2-RELEASE&format=html >> >> >> The problem for me with atacontrol was that after booting Windows my >> /dev/arX device always has been destroyed. >> >> My solution was: >> Buying a 3ware 8006-2LP 2-port SATA HARDWARE RAID Controller which has >> better performance than the TX4310 although it's SATA and not SATA-II >> and also very good Linux support. >> >> Regards and Good Luck! >> Lukas >> > > Lukas, > > Thanks for the info, I'll give atacontrol a try. I never used it, and > really didn't know such a utility existed. Does it actually write > something to the disks that lets the array be recognized by FreeBSD? > I'm assuming I would: > > 1. Set the array in the TX2300 BIOS. > 2. Boot with live file system disk and use atacontrol to make the array. > 3. Reboot with install disk and install on ar0. > > Is think correct or am I missing part of the picture. Also, once the > array is built, can I still use dedicated partitions, or do I have to > use compatible partitions? I can only assume that atacontrol has to > write something to the disks themselves? > > Thanks, > Matthew > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hi Matthew! Yes, that's right but it's important how you use atacontrol... Your stripe size will be 16kB i think (see TX2300 BIOS settings), so you have to set 32 in atacontrol (because 32 * 512B = 16kB). To add your adX and adY device you could enter: atacontrol create RAID0 32 adX adY or atacontrol create RAID0 32 adY adX The order is important! You can figure the right order out by: 1. Setting the array in the TX2300 BIOS 2. Running Linux with the right module or Windows Installation CD (with the TX2300 drivers from floppy disk) 3. Partitioning the "RAID device" You needn't install any of these Operating Systems... 4. Restart the system and... then you can run FreeBSD from an Installation CD and try to create an arZ device by using atacontrol. If you restart the system and see the new arZ device during the installation, so you've entered the devices in the right order. otherwise you should delete the arZ device by atacontrol and create a new one with passing the ad devices in another order. If you've more questions then ask... :-) Good luck and best regards! Lukas From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 6 20:56:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6716D16A400 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 20:56:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from designaproduct.biz (135-shost.hostoffice.hu [195.228.74.135]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2A513C4B7 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 20:56:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from [172.16.0.43] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by designaproduct.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54EE71DD424 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4667193F.7050407@shopzeus.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:29:51 +0200 From: Laszlo Nagy User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ASUS P5LD2 SE LGA775 (Intel 945P) - is compatible? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:56:05 -0000 Hi All, I'm about to buy a new motherboard ASUS P5LD2 SE LGA775 (Intel 945P) with Intel Core 2 Duo 1.86 GHz 4M (E6320) s775 processor. I guess the processor is okay and I can use SMP with i386 arch. The more important question is the network card. This motherboard has an onboard RTL8111B PCIe Gbit LAN card. I would like to use this computer as a terminal server for diskless machines so I badly need gigabit ethernet working. I tried to check the NOTES file/hardware compatibility list, but I could not find information. Can you please confirm that I will be able to use it? Thanks, Laszlo From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 6 23:33:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472D716A400 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 23:33:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@digitalstratum.com) Received: from mail.mundomateo.com (static-24-56-193-117.chrlmi.cablespeed.com [24.56.193.117]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF0F13C43E for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 23:33:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@digitalstratum.com) Received: from [10.0.81.13] (unknown [10.0.81.1]) by mail.mundomateo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00083BDC44; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46674449.6090109@digitalstratum.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 19:33:29 -0400 From: Matthew Hagerty Organization: Digital Stratum User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lukas Razik References: <4662E72B.70003@digitalstratum.com> <4662F5BF.4090709@razik.de> <4663496A.40202@digitalstratum.com> <466718DC.2030600@razik.de> In-Reply-To: <466718DC.2030600@razik.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Promise TX2300 array not detected. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matthew@digitalstratum.com List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:33:48 -0000 Lukas Razik wrote: > Matthew Hagerty schrieb: >> Matthew Hagerty wrote: >> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> I have a Promise TX2300 (latest BIOS 2.5.0.3122) that I'm trying to >>> use with 6.2R. I set up a two disk mirror using the card's BIOS >>> utility, but when I go to install FBSD my disk selection is only ad4 >>> and ad6, the array is not being recognized (I believe I should have >>> an ar0 in the list as well). >>> >>> I can install on a single disk just fine, I just can't get FBSD to >>> see the array. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Matthew >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> >> Lukas Razik wrote: >> >>> Hello Matthew! >>> >>> You can read my experience with the TX4310 controller (same as >>> TX2300 but with 4 ports and RAID5 support - TX4300 doesn't have RAID5): >>> >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/2006-May/003505.html >>> >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/2006-May/003506.html >>> >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/2006-May/003507.html >>> >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/2006-May/003508.html >>> >>> >>> I hope you will get it work with the 'atacontrol' command: >>> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=atacontrol&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+6.2-RELEASE&format=html >>> >>> >>> The problem for me with atacontrol was that after booting Windows my >>> /dev/arX device always has been destroyed. >>> >>> My solution was: >>> Buying a 3ware 8006-2LP 2-port SATA HARDWARE RAID Controller which >>> has better performance than the TX4310 although it's SATA and not >>> SATA-II and also very good Linux support. >>> >>> Regards and Good Luck! >>> Lukas >>> >> >> Lukas, >> >> Thanks for the info, I'll give atacontrol a try. I never used it, >> and really didn't know such a utility existed. Does it actually >> write something to the disks that lets the array be recognized by >> FreeBSD? I'm assuming I would: >> >> 1. Set the array in the TX2300 BIOS. >> 2. Boot with live file system disk and use atacontrol to make the array. >> 3. Reboot with install disk and install on ar0. >> >> Is think correct or am I missing part of the picture. Also, once the >> array is built, can I still use dedicated partitions, or do I have to >> use compatible partitions? I can only assume that atacontrol has to >> write something to the disks themselves? >> >> Thanks, >> Matthew >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > Hi Matthew! > > Yes, that's right but it's important how you use atacontrol... > > Your stripe size will be 16kB i think (see TX2300 BIOS settings), so > you have to set 32 in atacontrol (because 32 * 512B = 16kB). > > To add your adX and adY device you could enter: > atacontrol create RAID0 32 adX adY > or > atacontrol create RAID0 32 adY adX > The order is important! > > You can figure the right order out by: > 1. Setting the array in the TX2300 BIOS > 2. Running Linux with the right module or > Windows Installation CD (with the TX2300 drivers from floppy disk) > 3. Partitioning the "RAID device" > You needn't install any of these Operating Systems... > 4. Restart the system and... > > then you can run FreeBSD from an Installation CD and try to create an > arZ device by using atacontrol. > If you restart the system and see the new arZ device during the > installation, so you've entered the devices in the right order. > otherwise you should delete the arZ device by atacontrol and create a > new one with passing the ad devices in another order. > If you've more questions then ask... :-) > > Good luck and best regards! > Lukas > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hey Lukas, Thanks for the response! Wow, that seems like a messy procedure, but I'll go see if I can get things working. I only have three questions at this point: 1. What is atacontrol doing that lets FreeBSD see the array? 2. After using atacontrol, is this now a software or hardware array? 3. Is there anyone I can send my card to who can fix FreeBSD? It seems this card used to work, and after a BIOS update from Promise, FreeBSD support broke. I'd be glad to loan my card to whoever can fix the driver or whatever it takes. Thanks, Matthew From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 7 03:48:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3FA16A46D for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 03:48:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from etc@fluffles.net) Received: from auriate.fluffles.net (cust.95.160.adsl.cistron.nl [195.64.95.160]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608BE13C4B0 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 03:48:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from etc@fluffles.net) Received: from 195-241-125-45.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl ([195.241.125.45] helo=[10.0.0.18]) by auriate.fluffles.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Hw8zB-0007ql-Jh; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 05:48:33 +0200 Message-ID: <46678017.6080602@fluffles.net> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 05:48:39 +0200 From: Fluffles User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matthew@digitalstratum.com References: <4662E72B.70003@digitalstratum.com> <4662F5BF.4090709@razik.de> <4663496A.40202@digitalstratum.com> <466718DC.2030600@razik.de> <46674449.6090109@digitalstratum.com> In-Reply-To: <46674449.6090109@digitalstratum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Lukas Razik , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Promise TX2300 array not detected. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 03:48:49 -0000 Matthew Hagerty wrote: > Hey Lukas, > > Thanks for the response! Wow, that seems like a messy procedure, but > I'll go see if I can get things working. I only have three questions > at this point: > > 1. What is atacontrol doing that lets FreeBSD see the array? > 2. After using atacontrol, is this now a software or hardware array? > 3. Is there anyone I can send my card to who can fix FreeBSD? If i understand correctly, you're using firmware RAID, also called fake RAID. It's called Fake RAID because the controller itself does not handle the "RAID thing" but rather leaves it to drivers (software) to implementent the RAID0/RAID1 handling, just like software RAID would. In Windows, you get this working by using drivers, whereas for Linux and BSD often no drivers are provided. Instead, FreeBSD is able to read the so called "meta information" stored on the drives to read "oh hey this disk is said to be part of a RAID0 array, and this is disk0 of in total 2 disks with x KB stripesize". And later it finds the other disk part of the array, it can then use it's own RAID0 or RAID1 implementation and create software RAID on it, just like a Windows driver would do it. You see, even firmware/fake RAID is still software RAID; its all implemented in the drivers. The only difference to true software RAID is that it adds bootstrap support whereas one cannot boot from a software RAID0 array. So to answer your first two questions: 1) atacontrol is used to create a RAID0 array using manual parameters, while normally these parameters would be read from the on-disk metadata (in the drive's last sector) 2) it is and always has been a software array, also in windows. only if the host OS cannot see the physical disks behind the controller you're talking about hardware RAID. Those controllers usually cost over 200 dollar; they are the real thing. So to be quite blunt.. your hardware controller gives you software RAID, not hardware RAID. Hope this gives some background. Good luck, - Veronica From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 7 16:24:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03BE516A468 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:24:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@digitalstratum.com) Received: from mail.mundomateo.com (static-24-56-193-117.chrlmi.cablespeed.com [24.56.193.117]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20BFB13C4BA for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:24:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@digitalstratum.com) Received: from mundomateo.com (localhost.mundomateo.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mundomateo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA30BDC44; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 192.85.50.1 (SquirrelMail authenticated user matthew) by mundomateo.com with HTTP; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <21250.192.85.50.1.1181233456.squirrel@mundomateo.com> In-Reply-To: <46678017.6080602@fluffles.net> References: <4662E72B.70003@digitalstratum.com> <4662F5BF.4090709@razik.de> <4663496A.40202@digitalstratum.com> <466718DC.2030600@razik.de> <46674449.6090109@digitalstratum.com> <46678017.6080602@fluffles.net> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:24:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew Hagerty" To: "Fluffles" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Promise TX2300 array not detected. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matthew@digitalstratum.com List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:24:28 -0000 On Wed, June 6, 2007 11:48 pm, Fluffles wrote: > Matthew Hagerty wrote: > >> Hey Lukas, >> >> >> Thanks for the response! Wow, that seems like a messy procedure, but >> I'll go see if I can get things working. I only have three questions >> at this point: >> >> 1. What is atacontrol doing that lets FreeBSD see the array? >> 2. After using atacontrol, is this now a software or hardware array? >> 3. Is there anyone I can send my card to who can fix FreeBSD? >> > > If i understand correctly, you're using firmware RAID, also called fake > RAID. It's called Fake RAID because the controller itself does not > handle the "RAID thing" but rather leaves it to drivers (software) to > implementent the RAID0/RAID1 handling, just like software RAID would. In > Windows, you get this working by using drivers, whereas for Linux and > BSD often no drivers are provided. Instead, FreeBSD is able to read the > so called "meta information" stored on the drives to read "oh hey this disk > is said to be part of a RAID0 array, and this is disk0 of in total 2 disks > with x KB stripesize". And later it finds the other disk part of the > array, it can then use it's own RAID0 or RAID1 implementation and create > software RAID on it, just like a Windows driver would do it. > > You see, even firmware/fake RAID is still software RAID; its all > implemented in the drivers. The only difference to true software RAID is > that it adds bootstrap support whereas one cannot boot from a software > RAID0 array. So to answer your first two questions: > > > 1) atacontrol is used to create a RAID0 array using manual parameters, > while normally these parameters would be read from the on-disk metadata (in > the drive's last sector) 2) it is and always has been a software array, > also in windows. only if the host OS cannot see the physical disks behind > the controller you're talking about hardware RAID. Those controllers > usually cost over 200 dollar; they are the real thing. So to be quite > blunt.. your hardware controller gives you software RAID, not hardware > RAID. > > > Hope this gives some background. > Good luck, > > > - Veronica > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Veronica, Thanks for the info. I guess I assumed that once you got BIOS support for the RAID from the controller that you were into the "real deal". Seems that this is not always the case. So, cheap RAID cards only offer boot support - bummer. Why do I always have to learn this stuff the expensive way? ;-) I'm still curious about the "meta data" that atacontrol seems to write, and what possibly changed in the BIOS revision of the TX2300 that FreeBSD used to be able to recognize the arrays, but now can't. I did, however, manage to get the RAID working with atacontrol. Went like this: 1. Set up the array in the TX2300 BIOS. 2. Install FreeBSD from CD on to ad4 only (ad4 and ad6 are the two drives attached). 3. Boot, login as root. 4. Execute: atacontrol create RAID1 ad4 ad6 5. Reboot with install disk in CD. 6. Reinstall on ar0 which is not available. I did not have a live filesystem disc or I could probably have skipped the initial install, but a minimal install only takes 5 minutes so it was not a big deal. After the second install, everything came up on the ar0 array and worked fine. I ran some basic stress tests and was getting 16MB/sec write speed and 46MB/sec read. So, I'm off to find a "real" SATA2 PCI RAID card... :-( Thanks for all the help. Matthew From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 7 16:46:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA15216A468 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:46:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick@kiwi-computer.com) Received: from kiwi-computer.com (keira.kiwi-computer.com [63.224.10.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 668A713C45D for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:46:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick@kiwi-computer.com) Received: (qmail 96498 invoked by uid 2001); 7 Jun 2007 16:46:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 11:46:53 -0500 From: "Rick C. Petty" To: Matthew Hagerty Message-ID: <20070607164653.GB95991@keira.kiwi-computer.com> References: <4662E72B.70003@digitalstratum.com> <4662F5BF.4090709@razik.de> <4663496A.40202@digitalstratum.com> <466718DC.2030600@razik.de> <46674449.6090109@digitalstratum.com> <46678017.6080602@fluffles.net> <21250.192.85.50.1.1181233456.squirrel@mundomateo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <21250.192.85.50.1.1181233456.squirrel@mundomateo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Promise TX2300 array not detected. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rick-freebsd@kiwi-computer.com List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:46:54 -0000 On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 12:24:16PM -0400, Matthew Hagerty wrote: > > After the second install, everything came up on the ar0 array > and worked fine. I ran some basic stress tests and was getting 16MB/sec > write speed and 46MB/sec read. > > So, I'm off to find a "real" SATA2 PCI RAID card... :-( "real" RAID cards cost an order of magnitude more than fakeraid cards. What is your reason behind getting real hardware RAID? From my own personal testing and online research, software RAID outperforms most real RAID cards. So if your reasoning is based on performance gain, you may be in for another shock. If your reasoning is so that you can multi-boot different OSes without requiring drivers, then you may have a compelling reason to go to hardware RAID. However, most cases fakeraid is good enough. -- Rick C. Petty From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 7 19:03:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF17016A468 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:03:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@digitalstratum.com) Received: from mail.mundomateo.com (static-24-56-193-117.chrlmi.cablespeed.com [24.56.193.117]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB9C13C480 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:03:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@digitalstratum.com) Received: from 24.56.193.117 (localhost.mundomateo.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mundomateo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B72BDC44; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 15:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 192.85.50.1 (SquirrelMail authenticated user matthew) by 24.56.193.117 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 15:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <25389.192.85.50.1.1181242998.squirrel@24.56.193.117> In-Reply-To: <20070607164653.GB95991@keira.kiwi-computer.com> References: <4662E72B.70003@digitalstratum.com> <4662F5BF.4090709@razik.de> <4663496A.40202@digitalstratum.com> <466718DC.2030600@razik.de> <46674449.6090109@digitalstratum.com> <46678017.6080602@fluffles.net> <21250.192.85.50.1.1181233456.squirrel@mundomateo.com> <20070607164653.GB95991@keira.kiwi-computer.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 15:03:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew Hagerty" To: rick-freebsd@kiwi-computer.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Promise TX2300 array not detected. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matthew@digitalstratum.com List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 19:03:20 -0000 On Thu, June 7, 2007 12:46 pm, Rick C. Petty wrote: > On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 12:24:16PM -0400, Matthew Hagerty wrote: > >> >> After the second install, everything came up on the ar0 array >> and worked fine. I ran some basic stress tests and was getting 16MB/sec >> write speed and 46MB/sec read. >> >> So, I'm off to find a "real" SATA2 PCI RAID card... :-( >> > > "real" RAID cards cost an order of magnitude more than fakeraid cards. > What is your reason behind getting real hardware RAID? From my own > personal testing and online research, software RAID outperforms most real > RAID cards. So if your reasoning is based on performance gain, you may > be in for another shock. If your reasoning is so that you can multi-boot > different OSes without requiring drivers, then you may have a compelling > reason to go to hardware RAID. However, most cases fakeraid is good > enough. > > -- Rick C. Petty > > My reasoning for a hardware RAID is so I can set it and forget it. If a drive fails (I'm setting up a mirror), I want to be able to just swap the drive and carry on without worrying about having to do something at the BIOS or OS level (controller should rebuild the mirror). Performance in my case is tertiary to reliability and stability. The TX2300 might have been the wrong choice, but you would not have known from reading the marketing material... The TX2300 was also blowing errors taskqueue timeout errors (http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org/msg01541.html) on the first machine I had it in, so now I'm a little skeptical about using the card. Matthew From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 7 19:58:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A13C16A421 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:58:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick@kiwi-computer.com) Received: from kiwi-computer.com (keira.kiwi-computer.com [63.224.10.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C1D813C4B0 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:58:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick@kiwi-computer.com) Received: (qmail 675 invoked by uid 2001); 7 Jun 2007 19:58:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:58:28 -0500 From: "Rick C. Petty" To: Matthew Hagerty Message-ID: <20070607195828.GA368@keira.kiwi-computer.com> References: <4662E72B.70003@digitalstratum.com> <4662F5BF.4090709@razik.de> <4663496A.40202@digitalstratum.com> <466718DC.2030600@razik.de> <46674449.6090109@digitalstratum.com> <46678017.6080602@fluffles.net> <21250.192.85.50.1.1181233456.squirrel@mundomateo.com> <20070607164653.GB95991@keira.kiwi-computer.com> <25389.192.85.50.1.1181242998.squirrel@24.56.193.117> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <25389.192.85.50.1.1181242998.squirrel@24.56.193.117> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Promise TX2300 array not detected. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rick-freebsd@kiwi-computer.com List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 19:58:30 -0000 On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 03:03:18PM -0400, Matthew Hagerty wrote: > > My reasoning for a hardware RAID is so I can set it and forget it. If a > drive fails (I'm setting up a mirror), I want to be able to just swap the > drive and carry on without worrying about having to do something at the > BIOS or OS level (controller should rebuild the mirror). Performance in I know of no RAID cards that don't require you to do something at the BIOS level.. on every card I've seen, if you swap a drive you must go into the BIOS and tell the RAID card to reconfigure the new drive. Even on cards which have hot spares, if you swap the drive you need to tell it about the new disk. And with "real" RAID, how do you know if the RAID is having problems? I haven't seen good solutions (doesn't mean they don't exist) that didn't require OS-level drivers and at least some OS-level interaction. But with software RAID I can write my own shell scripts that detect unplugged drives and use S.M.A.R.T. tools to monitor drive health. Also, if you "feel" safer about somebody's random RAID card, how do you know there isn't a firmware bug? At least with software RAID, the software is likely public and most bugs have been worked out, or you have some control over the operation. Unless the RAID card comes with a warranty to protect your data at all costs (i.e. they will pay you the value of your data if anything is lost), you're taking a gamble. > my case is tertiary to reliability and stability. The TX2300 might have > been the wrong choice, but you would not have known from reading the > marketing material... Marketing also tells me that my 500 GB drive has 500 GB of storage space, when really it has 500 billion bytes... All manufacturers are guilty of using buzzwords to sell their products. The TX2300 *is* a RAID card after all, but does it require OS support? The easy trick to distinguish between fakeraid and real is whether they list "Supported operating systems" or package a driver CD. If it doesn't require OS support, why are they giving you OS drivers? > The TX2300 was also blowing errors taskqueue timeout errors > (http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org/msg01541.html) Looks like that was in 6.1. 6.2 (-stable) at least doesn't have nearly as many of these issues. In fact I haven't seen one crop up since I upgraded a few months ago. > on the first machine I had it in, so now I'm a little skeptical about > using the card. Try it out and see if you have the same problems. Perhaps it is fixed in 6.2. -- Rick C. Petty From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 8 02:05:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B79F16A400 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 02:05:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@digitalstratum.com) Received: from mail.mundomateo.com (static-24-56-193-117.chrlmi.cablespeed.com [24.56.193.117]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39AE13C45A for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 02:05:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@digitalstratum.com) Received: from [10.0.81.13] (unknown [10.0.81.1]) by mail.mundomateo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102E8BDC44; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4668B947.6070408@digitalstratum.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:04:55 -0400 From: Matthew Hagerty Organization: Digital Stratum User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rick-freebsd@kiwi-computer.com References: <4662E72B.70003@digitalstratum.com> <4662F5BF.4090709@razik.de> <4663496A.40202@digitalstratum.com> <466718DC.2030600@razik.de> <46674449.6090109@digitalstratum.com> <46678017.6080602@fluffles.net> <21250.192.85.50.1.1181233456.squirrel@mundomateo.com> <20070607164653.GB95991@keira.kiwi-computer.com> <25389.192.85.50.1.1181242998.squirrel@24.56.193.117> <20070607195828.GA368@keira.kiwi-computer.com> In-Reply-To: <20070607195828.GA368@keira.kiwi-computer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Promise TX2300 array not detected. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matthew@digitalstratum.com List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 02:05:15 -0000 Rick C. Petty wrote: > On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 03:03:18PM -0400, Matthew Hagerty wrote: > >> My reasoning for a hardware RAID is so I can set it and forget it. If a >> drive fails (I'm setting up a mirror), I want to be able to just swap the >> drive and carry on without worrying about having to do something at the >> BIOS or OS level (controller should rebuild the mirror). Performance in >> > > I know of no RAID cards that don't require you to do something at the BIOS > level.. on every card I've seen, if you swap a drive you must go into the > BIOS and tell the RAID card to reconfigure the new drive. Even on cards > which have hot spares, if you swap the drive you need to tell it about the > new disk. > > And with "real" RAID, how do you know if the RAID is having problems? I > haven't seen good solutions (doesn't mean they don't exist) that didn't > require OS-level drivers and at least some OS-level interaction. But with > software RAID I can write my own shell scripts that detect unplugged > drives and use S.M.A.R.T. tools to monitor drive health. > > Also, if you "feel" safer about somebody's random RAID card, how do you > know there isn't a firmware bug? At least with software RAID, the > software is likely public and most bugs have been worked out, or you have > some control over the operation. Unless the RAID card comes with a > warranty to protect your data at all costs (i.e. they will pay you the > value of your data if anything is lost), you're taking a gamble. > > >> my case is tertiary to reliability and stability. The TX2300 might have >> been the wrong choice, but you would not have known from reading the >> marketing material... >> > > Marketing also tells me that my 500 GB drive has 500 GB of storage space, > when really it has 500 billion bytes... All manufacturers are guilty of > using buzzwords to sell their products. The TX2300 *is* a RAID card after > all, but does it require OS support? The easy trick to distinguish between > fakeraid and real is whether they list "Supported operating systems" or > package a driver CD. If it doesn't require OS support, why are they giving > you OS drivers? > > >> The TX2300 was also blowing errors taskqueue timeout errors >> (http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org/msg01541.html) >> > > Looks like that was in 6.1. 6.2 (-stable) at least doesn't have nearly as > many of these issues. In fact I haven't seen one crop up since I upgraded > a few months ago. > > >> on the first machine I had it in, so now I'm a little skeptical about >> using the card. >> > > Try it out and see if you have the same problems. Perhaps it is fixed in > 6.2. > > -- Rick C. Petty > Rick, Thanks for the info. You make some good points for using a software RAID, I'll have to do a little more research and run some simulated failures so I know how to deal with the real failure when it comes. I am installing 6.2, I was referencing that link mostly for the errors which are exactly what I was getting. That probably was a little confusing since that link was referencing 6.1. Sorry. I found a thread that said it was not known if the problem could be solved in the drivers, and was due to aggressive timing on the card and that Promise was known for such things. After reading that I tried the card in a different computer and the errors went away. Does not leave me with a lot of confidence. Matthew From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 8 14:16:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6C016A469 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:16:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lukas@razik.de) Received: from fmmailgate02.web.de (fmmailgate02.web.de [217.72.192.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3292013C45D for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:16:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lukas@razik.de) Received: from smtp06.web.de (fmsmtp06.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.172]) by fmmailgate02.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F3D8641143; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:16:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [88.76.50.147] (helo=[192.168.0.7]) by smtp06.web.de with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (WEB.DE 4.108 #197) id 1HwfGa-0003He-00; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:16:40 +0200 Message-ID: <466965A2.9040603@razik.de> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:20:18 +0200 From: Lukas Razik User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de-AT; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060417 FreeBSD/i386 X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matthew@digitalstratum.com References: <4662E72B.70003@digitalstratum.com> <4662F5BF.4090709@razik.de> <4663496A.40202@digitalstratum.com> <466718DC.2030600@razik.de> <46674449.6090109@digitalstratum.com> <46678017.6080602@fluffles.net> <21250.192.85.50.1.1181233456.squirrel@mundomateo.com> <20070607164653.GB95991@keira.kiwi-computer.com> <25389.192.85.50.1.1181242998.squirrel@24.56.193.117> In-Reply-To: <25389.192.85.50.1.1181242998.squirrel@24.56.193.117> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: lukas@razik.de X-Sender: lukasrazik@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+FuGQUYXOnBYApIuo+WZjS8ajEcmYzDlDfEjJg 2rtAc+8Vk4aBuNOJT5VxWH6JWztZeKJKHLIvWw2nUqBBzMO48z WM2BjRRYw= Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Promise TX2300 array not detected. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 14:16:43 -0000 Matthew Hagerty schrieb: > On Thu, June 7, 2007 12:46 pm, Rick C. Petty wrote: > >>On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 12:24:16PM -0400, Matthew Hagerty wrote: >> >> >>>After the second install, everything came up on the ar0 array >>>and worked fine. I ran some basic stress tests and was getting 16MB/sec >>> write speed and 46MB/sec read. >>> >>>So, I'm off to find a "real" SATA2 PCI RAID card... :-( >>> >> >>"real" RAID cards cost an order of magnitude more than fakeraid cards. >>What is your reason behind getting real hardware RAID? From my own >>personal testing and online research, software RAID outperforms most real >>RAID cards. So if your reasoning is based on performance gain, you may >>be in for another shock. If your reasoning is so that you can multi-boot >>different OSes without requiring drivers, then you may have a compelling >>reason to go to hardware RAID. However, most cases fakeraid is good >>enough. >> >>-- Rick C. Petty >> >> > > > My reasoning for a hardware RAID is so I can set it and forget it. If a > drive fails (I'm setting up a mirror), I want to be able to just swap the > drive and carry on without worrying about having to do something at the > BIOS or OS level (controller should rebuild the mirror). Performance in > my case is tertiary to reliability and stability. The TX2300 might have > been the wrong choice, but you would not have known from reading the > marketing material... > > The TX2300 was also blowing errors taskqueue timeout errors > (http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org/msg01541.html) > on the first machine I had it in, so now I'm a little skeptical about > using the card. > > Matthew > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hi Matthew! As I wrote you in my first eMail I took the 3ware 8006-2LP 2-port SATA RAID Controller (REAL HARDWARE RAID) which you can get new under $150 and used under $100... It works vergy good with FreeBSD (maybe also with other BSDs) Linux and Windows. I've compared its performance with my TX4310 (which is similar to the TX4300 but with RAID5 support and the TX4300 is same like TX2300 but has 4 ports) under Windows XP with SiSoft Sandra. The 8006-2LP has a better performance than the TX4310 although it's SATA. I don't think that it's important if you use a SATA or SATAII controller because the bottleneck will be your hard discs. Another advantage of Hardware RAID cards is that they don't stress the CPU like Software or Fake RAID cards so you get more computing time for other programs. Regards, Lukas From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 8 14:19:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F3F16A400 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:19:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from designaproduct.biz (135-shost.hostoffice.hu [195.228.74.135]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C78F13C45A for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:19:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from [172.16.0.43] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by designaproduct.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27351DD429 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4669651E.4030101@shopzeus.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:18:06 +0200 From: Laszlo Nagy User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: make.conf for Core 2 Duo E6320 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 14:19:32 -0000 Hi, Do you know what kind of options should I use in make.conf to take advantage of my Core 2 Duo E6320 processor? Thanks, Laszlo From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 8 15:01:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A2816A400 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:01:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noerd@daemonical.org) Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com (mailout02.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC8E13C44C for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:01:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noerd@daemonical.org) Received: from fwd34.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Hwfer-0007iO-0A; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:41:45 +0200 Received: from localhost (ZG3N2UZroe0gi3OrGEk0X4ecw7ij8laXkwHvXbpWyouAkKk8c0hjZY@[84.165.90.91]) by fwd34.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1Hwfep-0SrJEu0; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:41:43 +0200 Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:41:43 +0200 From: Oliver Herold To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070608144142.GA52860@asgard.home> References: <4669651E.4030101@shopzeus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4669651E.4030101@shopzeus.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-04-06) X-ID: ZG3N2UZroe0gi3OrGEk0X4ecw7ij8laXkwHvXbpWyouAkKk8c0hjZY@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 3eb02bbc-334d-473c-9cba-1952dd0ce535 Subject: Re: make.conf for Core 2 Duo E6320 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:01:42 -0000 http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags#Intel_Core_2_Duo.2FQuad_.2F_Xeon_51xx.2F53xx But I wouldn't do it, maybe i686 is of some use to some extent, but the more you customize, the more can and will certainly break. Cheers, Oliver On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 04:18:06PM +0200, Laszlo Nagy wrote: > > Hi, > > Do you know what kind of options should I use in make.conf to take advantage > of my Core 2 Duo E6320 processor? > Thanks, > > Laszlo > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Murphy's Discovery: Do you know Presidents talk to the country the way men talk to women? They say, "Trust me, go all the way with me, and everything will be all right." And what happens? Nine months later, you're in trouble! From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 8 17:20:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159F516A469 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:20:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick@kiwi-computer.com) Received: from kiwi-computer.com (keira.kiwi-computer.com [63.224.10.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9585D13C448 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:20:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick@kiwi-computer.com) Received: (qmail 28402 invoked by uid 2001); 8 Jun 2007 17:20:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 12:20:53 -0500 From: "Rick C. Petty" To: Matthew Hagerty Message-ID: <20070608172053.GA25954@keira.kiwi-computer.com> References: <4662F5BF.4090709@razik.de> <4663496A.40202@digitalstratum.com> <466718DC.2030600@razik.de> <46674449.6090109@digitalstratum.com> <46678017.6080602@fluffles.net> <21250.192.85.50.1.1181233456.squirrel@mundomateo.com> <20070607164653.GB95991@keira.kiwi-computer.com> <25389.192.85.50.1.1181242998.squirrel@24.56.193.117> <20070607195828.GA368@keira.kiwi-computer.com> <4668B947.6070408@digitalstratum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4668B947.6070408@digitalstratum.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Promise TX2300 array not detected. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rick-freebsd@kiwi-computer.com List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:20:57 -0000 On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 10:04:55PM -0400, Matthew Hagerty wrote: > > Thanks for the info. You make some good points for using a software > RAID, I'll have to do a little more research and run some simulated > failures so I know how to deal with the real failure when it comes. In some cases, hardware RAID is necessary, but not just because marketing says you need it. > I am installing 6.2, I was referencing that link mostly for the errors > which are exactly what I was getting. That probably was a little > confusing since that link was referencing 6.1. Sorry. I found a thread > that said it was not known if the problem could be solved in the > drivers, and was due to aggressive timing on the card and that Promise > was known for such things. After reading that I tried the card in a > different computer and the errors went away. Does not leave me with a > lot of confidence. I've witnessed the Promise card timing issues myself.. it sure does matter what motherboard it's in, and some of your BIOS settings can affect it. But I've also seen that the cards behave better in 6.2 in general. -- Rick C. Petty From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 9 23:04:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73A016A400 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 23:04:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j_guojun@lbl.gov) Received: from smtp123.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (smtp123.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [69.147.64.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7EAFA13C45E for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 23:04:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j_guojun@lbl.gov) Received: (qmail 57943 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2007 22:37:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.9?) (jinmtb@sbcglobal.net@75.36.165.38 with plain) by smtp123.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2007 22:37:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9pIkF3gVM1mlVd6jTGouOdfW3NqMOzNNap.9vAXZVJIZVjWGCeHJG7UIDRjZAnCgSqnu4F1L4Q-- Message-ID: <466B2B9F.5010308@lbl.gov> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 15:37:19 -0700 From: "Jin Guojun [VFFS]" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20061027 X-Accept-Language: en, zh, zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: what causes error -- ELF interpreter /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 not found X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 23:04:05 -0000 I have multiple FreeBSD 6.2 machines with different hardware, but one of them encountered this strange error when running program "wine". I could not figure out what causes such error since /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 absolutely exists, otherwise no program will run. It does not matter if the wine is pre-compiled in packages or I built it from ports. All other machine do NOT have such problem. I reinstalled this machine a few times, and it always does the same thing. However other programs run well. Would this is related to some particular hardware issue? This one is ECS 848P-A7 motherboard with Intel P4 506+ CPU, plus 2 GB memory. Other machines are HP AMD64 laptop, DELL Dual XEON, DELL Intel Laptop, and AMD XP 2100+, and none of them ever had such problem. 129 /data: ldd `which wine` /usr/local/bin/wine: ELF interpreter /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 not found /usr/local/bin/wine: signal 6 130 /data: ll /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 158712 Jan 11 23:39 /libexec/ld-elf.so.1* 131 /data: wine ELF interpreter /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 not found Abort 132 /data: which wine /usr/local/bin/wine Does someone have an idea what is happening here? -Jin