From owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 12 11:06:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1C71065722 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:06:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C281E8FC0C for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:06:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4CB6xJt038045 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:06:59 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) id m4CB6xNM038041 for freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:06:59 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:06:59 GMT Message-Id: <200805121106.m4CB6xNM038041@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: gnats set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Using ISDN with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:07:00 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems Serious problems Non-critical problems S Tracker Resp. 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From owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 15:54:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA4AB106566B for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 15:54:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net) Received: from mail.cksoft.de (mail.cksoft.de [62.111.66.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BE88FC20 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 15:54:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net) Received: from localhost (amavis.str.cksoft.de [192.168.74.71]) by mail.cksoft.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3821841C7A4 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 17:35:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cksoft.de Received: from mail.cksoft.de ([62.111.66.27]) by localhost (amavis.str.cksoft.de [192.168.74.71]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FB6YNyWfK5Dv for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 17:35:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.cksoft.de (Postfix, from userid 66) id DB1DB41C7A3; Thu, 15 May 2008 17:35:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net (maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net [10.111.66.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.int.zabbadoz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B105344487F for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 15:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 15:33:48 +0000 (UTC) From: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" X-X-Sender: bz@maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20080515152254.B47338@maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net> X-OpenPGP-Key: 0x14003F198FEFA3E77207EE8D2B58B8F83CCF1842 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Subject: HEADS UP: I4B going away entirely X-BeenThere: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Using ISDN with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 15:54:53 -0000 Hi, this email is to inform you that I4B will be entirely removed from CVS from FreeBSD 7 and 8 soon. The problem as previously pointed out is missing locking and the reason this hasn't happened/finished was the lack of time and the catching up with what happened in freebsd infrastructure the last years resulting in a larger rewrite for parts. Bjoern -- Bjoern A. Zeeb Stop bit received. Insert coin for new game. From owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 16 16:24:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A9E106566B for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 16:24:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maillist@ovb.ch) Received: from ovbis01.ovb.ch (ovbis01.ovb.ch [213.188.32.144]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DDDE8FC24 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 16:24:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maillist@ovb.ch) Received: from ovbas07.ovb.ch ([213.180.173.199] helo=[192.168.30.103]) by ovbis01.ovb.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Jx2Gh-0008G9-Tv for freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 May 2008 17:54:52 +0200 Message-ID: <482DAE4B.8050806@ovb.ch> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:54:51 +0200 From: Oliver von Bueren User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org References: <20080515152254.B47338@maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net> In-Reply-To: <20080515152254.B47338@maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-Id: ovb Subject: Re: HEADS UP: I4B going away entirely X-BeenThere: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Using ISDN with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 16:24:04 -0000 Hi Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: > this email is to inform you that I4B will be entirely removed from CVS > from FreeBSD 7 and 8 soon. > > The problem as previously pointed out is missing locking and the > reason this hasn't happened/finished was the lack of time and the > catching up with what happened in freebsd infrastructure the last years > resulting in a larger rewrite for parts. OK then, FreeBSD does not support ISDN out of the box anymore. Primary, that's a sad thing, but it is also a good thing for change. I don't want to start a big discussion about which version of I4B is in the tree again, but I just recently read that HPS is in a final stage of the USB4BSD implementation and my understanding is, that this is going to be in the tree then. As the motivation of this U4B was the elimination of GIANT from I4B-HPS, wouldn't this be the opportunity to go that route for this as well? I mean, FreeBSD for me is still the OS to use for ISDN and VoIP on standard pc hardware as well as (or especially for) embedded systems. Oliver From owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 16 21:08:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB4F106566C for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 21:08:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@reifenberger.com) Received: from mail-out.m-online.net (mail-out.m-online.net [212.18.0.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24CE98FC1D for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 21:08:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@reifenberger.com) Received: from mail01.m-online.net (mail.m-online.net [192.168.3.149]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6728321D6F7; Fri, 16 May 2008 22:54:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (unknown [192.168.1.157]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C4890012; Fri, 16 May 2008 22:54:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from localhost ([192.168.3.149]) by localhost (scanner1.m-online.net [192.168.1.157]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O4ktEL+6Hrww; Fri, 16 May 2008 22:54:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.reifenberger.com (ppp-88-217-86-22.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.86.22]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 May 2008 22:54:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.reifenberger.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0A94E1A76A; Fri, 16 May 2008 22:54:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 22:54:06 +0200 From: Michael Reifenberger To: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" Message-ID: <20080516205406.GA14098@gw.reifenberger.com> References: <20080515152254.B47338@maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080515152254.B47338@maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Priority: normal Cc: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: I4B going away entirely X-BeenThere: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Using ISDN with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:08:16 -0000 On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 03:33:48PM +0000, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: > Hi, > > this email is to inform you that I4B will be entirely removed from CVS > from FreeBSD 7 and 8 soon. > Is this realy necessary? RELENG_7 still gives me an fine answering machine without problems using c4b + your patches against the kernel. What do we gain by axing? -- Bye/2 --- Michael Reifenberger Michael@Reifenberger.com http://www.Reifenberger.com From owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 16 23:38:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B77E1065670 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 23:38:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hselasky@c2i.net) Received: from swip.net (mailfe16.swipnet.se [212.247.155.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A36C8FC1B for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 23:38:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hselasky@c2i.net) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=CbxPQ_JQPqOOAcWINsEA:9 a=jnKH_oj9bm-uEzJJC1EA:7 a=2YrbVGQYNtYzMWVZq1tYHQvXeDsA:4 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 Received: from [193.217.167.134] (account mc467741@c2i.net HELO [10.0.0.249]) by mailfe16.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.13) with ESMTPA id 199246725; Fri, 16 May 2008 22:38:27 +0200 From: Hans Petter Selasky To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 22:39:54 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20080515152254.B47338@maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net> <482DAE4B.8050806@ovb.ch> In-Reply-To: <482DAE4B.8050806@ovb.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200805162239.55495.hselasky@c2i.net> Cc: Subject: Re: HEADS UP: I4B going away entirely X-BeenThere: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Using ISDN with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 23:38:31 -0000 Hi, My ISDN4BSD has some non-technical issues that makes it difficult for some people to commit to the main FreeBSD tree. I am however working on a new product called openzap.hps: svn --username anonsvn --password anonsvn checkout svn://svn.turbocat.net/i4b/trunk/openzap.hps If someone wants to mentor this project with regard to a future FreeBSD commit, please feel free to step forward. Looking back at the history: ISDN4BSD was my first FreeBSD hardware driver project. I started working on this around year 2000. At some point I got very much attention about my YES and NO macros and how I generated a complete ISDN driver from a single macro. The main reason for doing it like that was that it saved me a lot of time when I wanted to propagate changes into "N" different drivers at the same time without having to edit "N" different files. Simply because I wasn't sure how the best way was to do it. There are some things in my ISDN4BSD that are not so smart designwise. For example my ISDN4BSD does not support zero copy of data from the hardware into a mbuf, hence I have not seen any ISDN hardware that implements zero copy. Most ISDN hardware I've been working with either: 1) Uses a PIO FIFO. 2) Uses a ring buffer in RAM. When I started working on USB the PCI USB host hardware was working quite different than my ISDN hardware and many issues like cache syncing popped up during development which I never thought about when working with my ISDN4BSD system. My plan is to use the lessons I've learned from my first ISDN4BSD and then my USB4BSD when I design my OPENZAP.HPS. Hopefully it will turn out much better. --HPS On Friday 16 May 2008, Oliver von Bueren wrote: > Hi > > Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: > > this email is to inform you that I4B will be entirely removed from CVS > > from FreeBSD 7 and 8 soon. > > > > The problem as previously pointed out is missing locking and the > > reason this hasn't happened/finished was the lack of time and the > > catching up with what happened in freebsd infrastructure the last years > > resulting in a larger rewrite for parts. > > OK then, FreeBSD does not support ISDN out of the box anymore. Primary, > that's a sad thing, but it is also a good thing for change. > > I don't want to start a big discussion about which version of I4B is in > the tree again, but I just recently read that HPS is in a final stage of > the USB4BSD implementation and my understanding is, that this is going > to be in the tree then. As the motivation of this U4B was the > elimination of GIANT from I4B-HPS, wouldn't this be the opportunity to > go that route for this as well? > > I mean, FreeBSD for me is still the OS to use for ISDN and VoIP on > standard pc hardware as well as (or especially for) embedded systems. > > Oliver > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isdn > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isdn-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"