From owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Thu Mar 31 12:32:55 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325AAAE2948 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 12:32:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from torfinn.ingolfsen@getmail.no) Received: from bouvier.getmail.no (bouvier.getmail.no [84.210.184.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67091A92 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 12:32:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from torfinn.ingolfsen@getmail.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bouvier.getmail.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99ECF4424E for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 14:22:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bouvier.getmail.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bouvier.get.c.bitbit.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id POk_JGx0ID3e for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 14:22:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bouvier.getmail.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2676D4950A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 14:22:49 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.4 bouvier.getmail.no 2676D4950A DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=getmail.no; s=8A9C8B4C-D727-11E2-8095-B6466E6B3FA2; t=1459426969; bh=uFD4Fjpmze65SmpSTkOmGm380pfLkjyDVeUXn84n22k=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Mime-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YhNaJE2wJaMuUkM6wrh94Kyhm4eDEi0Sp9XoaZUjNgH1d7lS3jy0ctWc9EV6xtz63 Kv4l9jKopUR18Ihc36Bd5k9BQgNI1e4WAf+hSKiU5DfhwZBe0t6DL3ex1qZgneYWsS nsM4CEy9nAProuzBPb5sjhKt97KrCgpD1ZQvvg3c= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bouvier.get.c.bitbit.net Received: from bouvier.getmail.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bouvier.get.c.bitbit.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id wi1qwn-aqSL5 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 14:22:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kg-core1.kg4.no (cm-84.215.226.9.getinternet.no [84.215.226.9]) by bouvier.getmail.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F1F2B4424E for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 14:22:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 14:22:43 +0200 From: Torfinn Ingolfsen To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommended laptop for FreeBSD 10.2 Xfce workstation? Message-Id: <20160331142243.6e81d13b04bb549362a1fea2@getmail.no> In-Reply-To: <56F6290E.10500@holgerdanske.com> References: <56F6290E.10500@holgerdanske.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 12:32:55 -0000 On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 23:15:42 -0700 David Christensen wrote: > freebsd-mobile: > > I'm looking for a new or used laptop that is known to work correctly > with FreeBSD 10.2, Xfce, Firefox, Thunderbird, (whatever free) Office, > etc., plus encryption and virtualization. > Notes on your points: 1. Intel Graphics might not work. Most modern laptops use UEFI, which allows you to use scfb - it might work, but it isn't a graphics race horse. 13. There are only a limited number of sd card controllers that has been tested - if the laptop has a different one, it might not be detected at all. Some things you haven't mentioned: suspend / hibernation - this might not work at all. FWIW, my newest laptop have a SSD instead of a "spinning rust" hard drive - this makes shutdown / startup time acceptable for me, so I don't need suspend - I simply shutdown my laptop before going somewhere else. YMMV. battery time - on some laptops, FreeBSD's power management isn't as good as in other operating systems (for example Linux), resulting in a shorter run-time on battery when you run FreeBSD on the machine. Question: 4. Why do you want to have an optical drive built into your laptop? Do you use optical media that often? For me, I use optical media rarely these days, so a usb connected optical reader / burner is enough. It is hard to recommend anything specific; currently any given laptop model lasts about 3 - 6 months before the vendor drops it (or changes internal components). Also, figuring out what the internal components actually are (in hope of matching against FreeBSD supported hardware list) is difficult as vendors rarely describe the specification at that level of detail. HTH -- Torfinn Ingolfsen