From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 00:14:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA02777 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 00:14:12 -0700 Received: from redline.ru (root@mail.redline.ru [194.87.69.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA02754 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 00:13:39 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 17:38:41 +0400 (GMT+0400) From: Anthony Graphics X-Sender: agl@mail.redline.ru To: Steven G Kargl cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mount "features" In-Reply-To: <199505261719.KAA14569@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 26 May 1995, Steven G Kargl wrote: > Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 10:19:19 -0700 (PDT) > From: Steven G Kargl > To: Anthony Graphics > Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: mount "features" > > According to Anthony Graphics: > > > > I'm doing the following thing: > > mount /dev/fd0 /mnt > > (on the write protected floppy) Well, getting tons of errors from the kernel, > > ok > > mount -r /dev/fd0 /mnt > > /dev/fd0 on /mnt: Device busy > > :-0 > > mount -r /dev/fd0.1440 /mnt > > ok :-0 > > I consider it strange at least... > > > What is the filesystem on the floppy? > > mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt > mount -t ufs /dev/fd0 /mnt I suppose it ufs (boot floppy from some SNAP) > > -- > Steven G. Kargl | Phone: 206-685-4677 | > Applied Physics Lab | Fax: 206-543-6785 | > Univ. of Washington |---------------------| > 1013 NE 40th St | FreeBSD 2.1-current | > Seattle, WA 98105 |---------------------| > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 00:15:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA02855 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 00:15:34 -0700 Received: from redline.ru (root@mail.redline.ru [194.87.69.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA02842 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 00:15:19 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 17:45:51 +0400 (GMT+0400) From: Anthony Graphics X-Sender: agl@mail.redline.ru To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: In-Reply-To: <199505261746.KAA02577@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 26 May 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 10:46:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: Rodney W. Grimes > To: Anthony Graphics > Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: > > There have been no changes to the ncr.c driver since the 0412 SNAP > was made. > > > > > ncr0 rev 2 int a irq 9 on pci0:1 > > reg 20: virtual=0xf4786000 physical=0xfbfff000 size=0x100 > > Can you provide information about what devices are on your > scsi bus? > > Have you tripple checked that you have only the two ends of the scsi > bus terminated and nothing in the middle? Look, what I have on the bus is just NCR itself and Quantum lightning that used to work with aha1542 under 0412 before, so there nothing like a terminated device in the middle. I booted 2.0-RELEASE ok, but then I was unable to recompile 0412 under it (gcc-2.6.3 with -O0 was giving various signals trapped: most often it was 11 sometimes 10 rarely 5) Well, rerunning /usr/bin/make was helpful with times but I've gotr stuck with vfs_func.c or something like that: no matter how much I've re running make: signal 11 trapped. Well I'm running the 0412-SNAP distribution, still under 0322 I have _the same problem_ as in the 0412 :-( And I can't roll back to 2.0-RELEASE because kvm_make or something like this coredumps (what is probably what should be expected but I was surprised ;-) So, the kernel hangs on the ncr detection :-( AGL > > > I do believe the driver for NCR is much better in FreeBSD than in Linux, > > could somebody at least tell me _which_ kernel works on it. > > The 0412 SNAP kernel is the latest and greatest as far as the NCR > driver goes: > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/pci/ncr.c,v > ... > description: > ---------------------------- > revision 1.36 > date: 1995/03/31 00:05:08; author: se; state: Exp; lines: +4 -12 > Include for standard definition of offsetof() instead of > defining it explicitly in the driver. > ---------------------------- > As you can see the last change was made 3/31, 12 days before the SNAP > was rolled. > > > I've moved the hard drive from the FreeBSD box with Adaptec1542 > > after the CPU burned Adaptec and suicided itself after it, > > > > Can anybody point me the place where I can pick up the _binary_ > > of the latest kernel. (I had different levels of success with > > 2.0 and 950322, nothing seems to be working :-( ) > > Thanx! > > Please include in Cc: I'm not on freebsd-hackers. > > AGL > > > > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 00:17:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA02923 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 00:17:05 -0700 Received: from redline.ru (root@mail.redline.ru [194.87.69.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA02909 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 00:16:52 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 17:48:33 +0400 (GMT+0400) From: Anthony Graphics X-Sender: agl@mail.redline.ru To: Bruce Evans cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mount "features" In-Reply-To: <199505262028.GAA12512@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 27 May 1995, Bruce Evans wrote: > Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 06:28:16 +1000 > From: Bruce Evans > To: agl@redline.ru, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: mount "features" > > >mount /dev/fd0 /mnt > >(on the write protected floppy) Well, getting tons of errors from the kernel, > >ok > > Mount (rw) and open ([r]w) don't check for writability. The mount succeeds > and you get errors later. Nope, mount after this step shows that floppy is _not_ mounted: if it was mounted I won't be posting here. > > >mount -r /dev/fd0 /mnt > >/dev/fd0 on /mnt: Device busy > >:-0 > > The device is apparently still mounted. See above. > > >mount -r /dev/fd0.1440 /mnt > >ok :-0 > > In FreeBSD, you can mount multiple times at the same mount point. Each > mount gives another layer that hides the previous layer if the default > mount options are used. fd0.1440 is different from fd0 as far as mount > can tell, so the mount is permitted. > Sure thing but note that first mount _failed_ It is not a problem however: there are surely more important things left to do, still I'm curious a bit AGL > Bruce > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 00:20:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA03119 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 00:20:19 -0700 Received: from redline.ru (root@mail.redline.ru [194.87.69.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA03100 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 00:20:02 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 17:50:04 +0400 (GMT+0400) From: Anthony Graphics X-Sender: agl@mail.redline.ru To: Bruce Evans cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mount "features" In-Reply-To: <199505262028.GAA12512@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 27 May 1995, Bruce Evans wrote: > Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 06:28:16 +1000 > From: Bruce Evans > To: agl@redline.ru, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: mount "features" > > >mount /dev/fd0 /mnt > >(on the write protected floppy) Well, getting tons of errors from the kernel, > >ok > > Mount (rw) and open ([r]w) don't check for writability. The mount succeeds > and you get errors later. > > >mount -r /dev/fd0 /mnt > >/dev/fd0 on /mnt: Device busy > >:-0 > > The device is apparently still mounted. > > >mount -r /dev/fd0.1440 /mnt > >ok :-0 > > In FreeBSD, you can mount multiple times at the same mount point. Each > mount gives another layer that hides the previous layer if the default > mount options are used. fd0.1440 is different from fd0 as far as mount > can tell, so the mount is permitted. > > Bruce > Oh well, guys, I forgot to tell you that it was in 2.0-RELEASE kernel running on the 0412 distribution: so it's not too strange I suppose, well, still can't boot 0412 on the ASUS SP3G's NCR 53c810 :-[ AGL From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 00:38:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA03502 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 00:38:39 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA03496 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 00:38:36 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA05328; Sun, 28 May 1995 00:36:39 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505280736.AAA05328@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: mount "features" To: agl@mac.glas.apc.org (Anthony Graphics) Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 00:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Anthony Graphics" at May 27, 95 05:50:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2066 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Sat, 27 May 1995, Bruce Evans wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 06:28:16 +1000 > > From: Bruce Evans > > To: agl@redline.ru, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org > > Subject: Re: mount "features" > > > > >mount /dev/fd0 /mnt > > >(on the write protected floppy) Well, getting tons of errors from the kernel, > > >ok > > > > Mount (rw) and open ([r]w) don't check for writability. The mount succeeds > > and you get errors later. > > > > >mount -r /dev/fd0 /mnt > > >/dev/fd0 on /mnt: Device busy > > >:-0 > > > > The device is apparently still mounted. > > > > >mount -r /dev/fd0.1440 /mnt > > >ok :-0 > > > > In FreeBSD, you can mount multiple times at the same mount point. Each > > mount gives another layer that hides the previous layer if the default > > mount options are used. fd0.1440 is different from fd0 as far as mount > > can tell, so the mount is permitted. > > > > Bruce > > > Oh well, guys, I forgot to tell you that it was in 2.0-RELEASE > kernel running on the 0412 distribution: so it's not too strange I suppose, > well, still can't boot 0412 on the ASUS SP3G's NCR 53c810 :-[ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That was the missing detail I needed to find your boot problem. From Boyd Faulker I have the following that made his system boot with the ASUS PCI/I-483SP3G board and FreeBSD 950412 SNAP. Still do not under stand why this fixed it, but it did: ] OK. I recompiled the boot floppy kernel numerous times and removing the ] wt0 and mcdX entries allows the probe to continue. I have not unplugged ] my IDE devices, wd0 and wd1. Try doing using the -c option to the boot and disable the st0 and mcd* entries. If this gets you past the hang with your NCR controller let me know ASAP so that I can try to get a real fix for this. I don't have one of the boards here, and they are on back order with my supplier :-(. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 00:44:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA03814 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 00:44:16 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA03802 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 00:44:14 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA05343; Sun, 28 May 1995 00:43:38 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505280743.AAA05343@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: To: agl@mac.glas.apc.org (Anthony Graphics) Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 00:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Anthony Graphics" at May 27, 95 05:45:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2995 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Fri, 26 May 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 10:46:57 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Rodney W. Grimes > > To: Anthony Graphics > > Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org > > Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: > > > > There have been no changes to the ncr.c driver since the 0412 SNAP > > was made. > > > > > > > > ncr0 rev 2 int a irq 9 on pci0:1 > > > reg 20: virtual=0xf4786000 physical=0xfbfff000 size=0x100 > > > > Can you provide information about what devices are on your > > scsi bus? > > > > Have you tripple checked that you have only the two ends of the scsi > > bus terminated and nothing in the middle? > Look, what I have on the bus is just NCR itself and Quantum lightning > that used to work with aha1542 under 0412 before, so there nothing > like a terminated device in the middle. I think I matched your problem to another person. But do realize scsi bus termination errors are the #1 cause for failure so I will always remind people right from the start to check this. Even after doing that I have found my self on site to repair a ``broken'' system, only to find what I told them on the phone to check the did not and infact had an incorrectly terminated bus. There are still 2 places for you to have an error in your scsi termination even with this simple set up. Are the terminators enabled and powered up on the NCR controller, and on the Quantum Lightning drive. Just because a scsi bus works on one controller does not make it right, the termination could have been enabled on the 1542 and disabeld on the NCR for example. > I booted 2.0-RELEASE ok, but then I was unable to recompile 0412 > under it (gcc-2.6.3 with -O0 was giving various signals trapped: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Please don't try to fuss with compiler options when building the kernel, It can cause problems, we compile the way we set things up because that is what we know to work. You put more variables into the equations when you do this type of stuff!! > most often it was 11 sometimes 10 rarely 5) > Well, rerunning /usr/bin/make was helpful with times but I've > gotr stuck with vfs_func.c or something like that: no matter > how much I've re running make: signal 11 trapped. > Well I'm running the 0412-SNAP distribution, still under 0322 > I have _the same problem_ as in the 0412 :-( > And I can't roll back to 2.0-RELEASE because kvm_make or something like > this coredumps (what is probably what should be expected but I was surprised > ;-) > So, the kernel hangs on the ncr detection :-( That was the exact sympton Boyd had, see my other email, on his system. I wish you had said up front you where using the on board NCR 810 of an ASUS PCI/I-486SP3G, it would have tripped my memory sooner that I had been here before. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 02:37:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA16908 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 02:37:16 -0700 Received: from prosun.first.gmd.de (prosun.first.gmd.de [192.35.150.136]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA16894 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 02:37:09 -0700 Received: from freebsd.first.gmd.de by prosun.first.gmd.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21843; Sun, 28 May 95 11:37:02 +0200 Received: by freebsd.first.gmd.de (KAA23839); Sun, 28 May 1995 10:40:28 +0200 From: Andreas Schulz Message-Id: <199505280840.KAA23839@freebsd.first.gmd.de> Subject: Re: I Am Still Dizzy ... To: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 10:40:28 +0159 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505272338.QAA13046@netcom14.netcom.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr" at May 27, 95 04:38:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 573 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I installed an ISDN line and settle for an Ascend Pipeline 50 ISDN router. > > I have compression enable actual transfer of gzip files is about > 11kbytes/sec :) You are using channel bundling on it ? Then this value looks normal to me :-). You must not be paying for the line on a per minute base, i don't use both channels, will be to expensive here in germany :-(. ATS ( ats@first.gmd.de or ats@cs.tu-berlin.de ) Andreas Schulz GMD-FIRST 12489 Berlin-Adlershof Rudower Chaussee 5 Gebaeude 13.10 Tel: +49-30-6392-1856/+49-177-2134745 Germany/Europe From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 03:38:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA21810 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 03:38:26 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA21782 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 03:38:09 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA04136; Sun, 28 May 1995 18:37:37 +0800 Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 18:37:37 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Amancio Hasty Jr cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: I Am Still Dizzy ... In-Reply-To: <199505272338.QAA13046@netcom14.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 27 May 1995, Amancio Hasty Jr wrote: > > I have compression enable actual transfer of gzip files is about > 11kbytes/sec :) I take it that you are using a two 64kbps lines bonded together then? Man, that's half the bandwidth between Taiwan and the U.S. :( -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 15:39:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA06523 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 15:39:15 -0700 Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (peter@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA06517 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 15:39:10 -0700 Received: (from peter@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12/DIALix) id GAA22768; Mon, 29 May 1995 06:39:04 +0800 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 06:39:03 +0800 (WST) From: Peter Wemm To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: aargh! How to handle 128 ttys on a system? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a Specialix SI and XIO driver running on a FreeBSD-current box here. There's only one problem.. It supports up to 128 ports per host - how the !@#^&% does one use meaningful names for them all without colliding with some other driver? Also, the probe/attach only leaves the card in a quiescent state. I'm using a user mode program the uploads the firmware for the host controller and booting it in /etc/rc*. This step also configures the port array. Was there a decision made on the best place to put these during the boot sequence? I still have an unresolved problem though.. I'm getting an obscure panic after a line is hung while being flow control blocked.. Something like: "putc to a clist with no reserved cblocks" or something like that. My first browse over the code doesn't pick up anything obvious yet. It appears to be happening after DCD goes up after getty has done a blocking open in carrier wait. I'm wondering if it's some peculiar variation between the different clist implementations of different OS's. One more thing.. I really dont want to statically allocate 256 tty structures (attached printer support..) at compile, when in fact there may be as little as 4 ports present at boot. I had a look at the other drivers, and there seems to be some sort of taboo on dynamically allocating the tty structure.. Things like: #if __FreeBSD__ >= 2 /* cant dynamically allocate ttys yet */ #else /* bsdi || FreeBSD 1.x || netbsd */ ... code to allocate the tty structures .... #endif and so on. What gives? OBTW: How many minor numbers can I have? I snooped in /dev and found some unit numbers up in the high millions... This would be really nice if I dont have to try and resort to multiple major's. Currently, there is a maximum of 128 ports. It currenty uses a single minor per port, which is configured to optionally hotwire DCD for terminals. There are no cua ports. and there is a control minor. To fit that in, the driver currently only allows 31 of the ports on the 4'th host card to be used. There's no room to spare if there's 256 minors supported. (the minor() macro in is certainly.. umm.. "interesting.." ). it might make sense to use the lower 8 bits as a port number, and bits 16 upwards as a "type".. 0 = modem, 1 = terminal (DCD ignored), 2 = transparent print, 3 = (maybe) cua and so on. Does that sound reasonable? IMHO: CUA ports are a crude hack which suck pretty badly. I really dont want to propagate it if possible. We use our own getty which does uucp style locking, and initialises the modem, and manually answers it when it sends a RING. Rather similar to mgetty I guess, but it solved all our modem problems.. This doesn't work with the cua scheme very well at all. Transparent print is far more useful to us than cua ports.. Tip can (IMHO) go jump. We use taylor-uucp dialing routines in our pppd, so that's not an issue for us. I'm currently using the "test" major number, 20. For those that dont know, Specialix systems are a host controller card, which provides a control bus, buffering, cooking, etc, and the remote panels are either custom logic (the old SI series), or a pair of CD1440's in the XIO panels. Each panel has 8 ports, and each host card supports 4 panels in a bus arrangement, and the drivers generally support 4 host cards per system, either in interupt driven mode, or by polling every 10 milliseconds. (there's a decent buffer size..). [ Incidently, It has no similarity to the the other CD1440 cards, because the hardware interface does not expose you to the actual panels. The host firmware does all that. ] They run at 115K on all ports. So.. Who can I bug for assistance in figuring out why the code can panic on FreeBSD clists and not on BSDI 2.0 clists? (I'm assuming that something needs some subtle, non-obvious change because of the way ttys/clists are implemented here... BTW: I'm a native speaker of STREAMS.. this clist stuff is pretty alien to me...) And next on my list of drivers to port, is the Stallion high-speed sync serial card driver that we use. (In case you haven't guessed, I'm out to make an Annex/Netblazer alternative.. ;-) -Peter From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 16:00:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA06758 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 16:00:06 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA06751 ; Sun, 28 May 1995 16:00:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Peter Wemm cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: aargh! How to handle 128 ttys on a system? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 29 May 95 06:39:03 +0800." Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 16:00:05 -0700 Message-ID: <6749.801702005@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > And next on my list of drivers to port, is the Stallion high-speed sync > serial card driver that we use. > > (In case you haven't guessed, I'm out to make an Annex/Netblazer > alternative.. ;-) I have no immediate answers to any of your questions, but I can say this: YES!! I would be most appreciative if someone out there more knowledgable with the sio driver than I could help Peter. This is a good cause! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 16:37:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA07279 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 16:37:12 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA07273 ; Sun, 28 May 1995 16:37:10 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id TAA22493; Sun, 28 May 1995 19:29:56 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 19:29:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: aargh! How to handle 128 ttys on a system? To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Peter Wemm , hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <6749.801702005@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk just in case you are hanging back, not sure about this. here is the nic's data on peter ;) DIALix Services (DIALIX-DOM) P.O. Box 153 Doubleview, WA, 6018 Australia Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Wemm, Peter D. (PW65) peter@PERTH.DIALIX.OZ.AU +61-9-244-2433 +61-18-638-249 (FAX) +61-9-368-1813 Record last updated on 08-Mar-94. On Sun, 28 May 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > And next on my list of drivers to port, is the Stallion high-speed sync > > serial card driver that we use. > > > > (In case you haven't guessed, I'm out to make an Annex/Netblazer > > alternative.. ;-) > > I have no immediate answers to any of your questions, but I can > say this: YES!! > > I would be most appreciative if someone out there more knowledgable > with the sio driver than I could help Peter. This is a good cause! > > Jordan > Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 16:52:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA07519 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 16:52:30 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA07513 ; Sun, 28 May 1995 16:52:29 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id QAA09627; Sun, 28 May 1995 16:52:24 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199505282352.QAA09627@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: aargh! How to handle 128 ttys on a system? To: jmb@kryten.atinc.com (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 16:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, peter@haywire.DIALix.COM, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at May 28, 95 07:29:55 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1563 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk and he's running on what is (to some extent) my machine I have when I'm at home in PERTH.. :) (I think it has a different motherboard) DIALIX is one of the major ISP players in Perth and Australia.. it'd be a nice reference :) (You may remember that when i'm in AUS my address is julian@dialix.oz.au) > > > just in case you are hanging back, not sure about this. here is the > nic's data on peter ;) Why would anyone be hanging back :) ? I'm sure he exists (or that hologram drives pretty well) > > DIALix Services (DIALIX-DOM) > P.O. Box 153 > Doubleview, WA, 6018 > Australia > > Technical Contact, Zone Contact: > Wemm, Peter D. (PW65) peter@PERTH.DIALIX.OZ.AU > +61-9-244-2433 +61-18-638-249 (FAX) +61-9-368-1813 > > Record last updated on 08-Mar-94. > > > On Sun, 28 May 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > And next on my list of drivers to port, is the Stallion high-speed sync > > > serial card driver that we use. > > > > > > (In case you haven't guessed, I'm out to make an Annex/Netblazer > > > alternative.. ;-) > > > > I have no immediate answers to any of your questions, but I can > > say this: YES!! > > > > I would be most appreciative if someone out there more knowledgable > > with the sio driver than I could help Peter. This is a good cause! > > > > Jordan > > > > Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. > | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy > play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 > ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 16:55:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA07587 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 16:55:19 -0700 Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA07580 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 16:55:15 -0700 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by disperse.demon.co.uk id aw26142; 29 May 95 0:38 +0100 Received: from bagpuss.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa07805; 29 May 95 0:07 +0100 Received: (karl@localhost) by bagpuss.demon.co.uk (3.1/3.1) id XAA11927; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:56:22 +0100 From: Karl Strickland Message-Id: <199505282256.XAA11927@bagpuss.demon.co.uk> Subject: Anyone built a config -g'd kernel lately? To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 23:56:21 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 669 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I tried to build a -current kernel (src about 4 days old) with config -g, and it reboots almost immediately on startup, it doesnt even finish printing the 'text=xxxxx, data=xxxx bla bla bla' line. (I did a strip -x on the newly installed kernel). Building the kernel from the same sources without a '-g' option to config results in a kernel that works fine. Anyone else seen this? -- ------------------------------------------+----------------------------------- Mailed using ELM on FreeBSD | Karl Strickland PGP 2.3a Public Key Available. | Internet: karl@bagpuss.demon.co.uk | From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 18:16:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA09063 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 18:16:34 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA09057 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 18:16:32 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA26856 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 20:47:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 20:47:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199505290047.UAA26856@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: hackers@FreeBSD.org From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: High speed serial port Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> And next on my list of drivers to port, is the Stallion high-speed sync >> serial card driver that we use. >> >> (In case you haven't guessed, I'm out to make an Annex/Netblazer >> alternative.. ;-) > Of course if you want a finished product that will give you something much better than a netblazer you could try the ET/5025-16 T1 board from Emerging Technologies. With integrated hardware PPP, Frame Relay and Cisco Serial protocol support and full software support from the vendor. db From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 19:09:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA10565 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 19:09:23 -0700 Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu (root@maroon.tc.umn.edu [128.101.118.21]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA10553 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 19:09:15 -0700 From: pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu Received: by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Sun, 28 May 95 21:08:49 -0500 Message-Id: <2fc92cb14317002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Subject: Problems when adding a 3rd SCSI drive To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 21:08:49 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3122 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I decided to try putting in a spare SCSI disk drive I had laying around into my system, and I'm having nothing but problems. I don't think that all of the problems are FreeBSD's fault, since I'm having problems under DOS, too. Current hardware installed: Adaptec 2842VL SCSI controller ID 7 Seagate ST1230N disk drive ID 0 Seagate ST31230N disk drive ID 1 Archive 2150S tape drive ID 2 Rodime 3085S disk drive ID 5 <---- this is the drive I'm trying to add FreeBSD system is -current as of 5/25. I know that the Rodime drive is good and works with FreeBSD, since I had previously used it under FreeBSD before I got the ST31320 drive (about 2.5 months ago). Never had any problems then. I can also run the "verify media" option from the SCSIselect stuff on the Adaptec card. I was able to get the drive formatted under DOS by setting the Adaptec SCSIselect option to make the BIOS recoginize more than two hard drives. Subsequent reboots would sometimes hang up. When things are hung up either under DOS or FreeBSD the LED on the controller is on rock solid, and the LED on the Rodime drive is also on rock solid. None of the other drive lights are lit up. Windows also won't start, and running something like "msd" under dos will usually lock it up when it scans the hard disks. I have to turn off the Adaptec BIOS option that allows more then 2 hard disk to even have a chance of getting FreeBSD booted (I kinda expected that). FreeBSD usually locks up the same way while trying to mount the root device. Sometimes it gets a little past that, but not much (I've *almost* made it into single user mode a couple of times). If it gets that far (mounting root, going into single user mode), when it does lock up, the AHC driver starts complaining about scsi device timeouts. About 50% of the time it hangs reading the kernel off the drive on sd0. With this drive installed, the Rodime drive has the terminators installed, and it is the last drive on the SCSI chain. I did remember to remove the terminators from the drive that previously was the last drive on the chain. When this drive was previously in my system, it was the last drive on the chain, so the terminators were never removed from the drive. I've pulled the cables out a couple of times and reconnected everything without any luck. Does anyone have any ideas what might be wrong? I would suspect the aic7xxx driver, except for the fact that I see the same problem under DOS. Does the SCSI id have to be < the SCSI id of the tape drive for some reason? I really don't care if the drive ever works under DOS, just under FreeBSD, but I unless I can get it working right under DOS, I doubt that I have a chance to get it working under FreeBSD. Any help would be appreciated. Note: this mail address will be going away on Jun 1st, and I'm still not sure what my new one will be. If you are trying to reply to me after that date, you can mail me at mpp@freefall.cdrom.com to make sure that I get the message. -- Mike Pritchard pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu "Go that way. Really fast. If something gets in your way, turn" From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 19:30:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA12235 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 19:30:43 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA12220 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 19:30:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199505290230.TAA12220@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA21091; Sun, 28 May 1995 22:30:30 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: SYSV Shared Mem supported/work ? To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 22:30:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 322 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I seem to recall some discussion a couple weeks ago that SYSVSHM isnt support/doesnt work. Is this true or am I hallucinating? (The reason I ask is the new linux lkm requires it.. :) -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 19:58:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA12757 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 19:58:53 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA12750 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 19:58:37 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA24888; Mon, 29 May 1995 12:55:12 +1000 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 12:55:12 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199505290255.MAA24888@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org, peter@haywire.DIALix.COM Subject: Re: aargh! How to handle 128 ttys on a system? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I have a Specialix SI and XIO driver running on a FreeBSD-current box >here. There's only one problem.. It supports up to 128 ports per host >- how the !@#^&% does one use meaningful names for them all without >colliding with some other driver? Find all programs that depend on ttys being named tty?? and fix them. >Also, the probe/attach only leaves the card in a quiescent state. I'm >using a user mode program the uploads the firmware for the host controller >and booting it in /etc/rc*. This step also configures the port array. >Was there a decision made on the best place to put these during the boot >sequence? No, but if serial lines are used for networking, then they must be initialized very early, before /etc/netstart is run. >I still have an unresolved problem though.. I'm getting an obscure panic >after a line is hung while being flow control blocked.. Something like: >"putc to a clist with no reserved cblocks" or something like that. My first >browse over the code doesn't pick up anything obvious yet. It appears to >be happening after DCD goes up after getty has done a blocking open in >carrier wait. I'm wondering if it's some peculiar variation between the >different clist implementations of different OS's. The clist reservation stuff is nonstandard. Drivers shouldn't be affected by it unless they do something wrong. In your case the driver apparently calls l_rint() after DCD goes up but before it calls l_open(). The clists aren't fully allocated until l_open() is called (and logically go away when l_close() is called). TS_ISOPEN tells you if the first l_open() has been called; running at spltty() throughout TIOCSETD and close() should prevent l_rint() being called after l_close() has been called. >One more thing.. I really dont want to statically allocate 256 tty >structures (attached printer support..) at compile, when in fact there >may be as little as 4 ports present at boot. I had a look at the other >drivers, and there seems to be some sort of taboo on dynamically >allocating the tty structure.. Things like: >#if __FreeBSD__ >= 2 >/* cant dynamically allocate ttys yet */ >#else /* bsdi || FreeBSD 1.x || netbsd */ >... code to allocate the tty structures .... >#endif >and so on. What gives? ttselect() used to require an array of tty structs. It no longer does, but the drivers haven't been changed. More annoyingly, parts of the tty struct need to live across closes, so you can never deallocate a tty struct. Dynamic allocation isn't free, and it would be silly to have lots of physical ports without ever using them, so static allocation works better in most cases. It only loses when there might be a huge number of ports (128) and you want to allocate the maximum number statically, but most target systems don't have that many ports. >OBTW: How many minor numbers can I have? I snooped in /dev and found Minor numbers are 23 bits (there are various bugs if the high bit is used, starting with mknod(8) using atoi() to convert its args. atoi() provides no error checking and is based on strtol(), which truncates all numbers >= 0x80000000 to 0x7fffffff). >some unit numbers up in the high millions... This would be really nice >if I dont have to try and resort to multiple major's. Currently, there >is a maximum of 128 ports. It currenty uses a single minor per port, >which is configured to optionally hotwire DCD for terminals. There are no >cua ports. and there is a control minor. To fit that in, the driver >currently only allows 31 of the ports on the 4'th host card to be used. >There's no room to spare if there's 256 minors supported. (the minor() >macro in is certainly.. umm.. "interesting.." ). it might >make sense to use the lower 8 bits as a port number, and bits 16 upwards >as a "type".. 0 = modem, 1 = terminal (DCD ignored), 2 = transparent >print, 3 = (maybe) cua and so on. Does that sound reasonable? I'd say to use type bits from the top down except for other problems with large minor numbers: tar only supports 18 bit minor numbers and silently truncates bits 18-31; cpio for the default format only supports 8 bit minor numbers and silently truncates bits 8-31 (cpio works right for some non-default formats); pax loses the same as the worst cpio format. The tar limit would not be so much of a problem if minor numbers were contiguous. I hope all FreeBSD tty drivers will support the same control interface: 1 bit in minor number: cua select 2 bits in minor number: control select 00 = normal port 01 = initial state port 02 = lock state port 03 = spare (status port?) Special behaviours modem/terminal/transparent print/cua can be programmed into internal state bits in the initial and lock state ports. This is more flexible. You can still encode the behaviour in other minor bits by programming the initial and lock state ports, except possibly cua behaviour which requires special handling of sleeping opens on the non-cua port. (Aliased ports requires special handling too - what do you do if there is an open sleeping waiting for DCD on the modem port when something attempts to open the ignore-DCD port? The cua handling of putting the sleeping open into a deeper sleep seems best.) >IMHO: CUA ports are a crude hack which suck pretty badly. I really dont Some users like them. You have a special application. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 20:39:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA13675 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 20:39:11 -0700 Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (peter@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA13643 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 20:37:51 -0700 Received: (from peter@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12/DIALix) id LAA03778; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:36:04 +0800 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 11:36:03 +0800 (WST) From: Peter Wemm To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: aargh! How to handle 128 ttys on a system? In-Reply-To: <199505282352.QAA09627@ref.tfs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 28 May 1995, Julian Elischer wrote: > > and he's running on what is (to some extent) my machine I have when I'm > at home in PERTH.. :) > (I think it has a different motherboard) Yep. I actually moved the major components from my work machine into Julian's, because I went for a nostalgia trip and with SimCity under X. :-) Along the way, I got rather interested... :-) I've spent a lot of time in the past porting stuff from the *BSD systems into SVR4 rather than change OS's (because of the lack of drivers for various hardware in the free OS's). With the specialix driver basically working, that cures _the_ major obstacle for us. BTW: Julian: What came over you when you partitioned that drive? 31 Meg swap space? :-) ?? Sure makes it hard to get a crash dump of a machine with 32M in it. (I've since found about options "MAXMEM=31000") > DIALIX is one of the major ISP players in Perth and Australia.. > it'd be a nice reference :) > (You may remember that when i'm in AUS my address is julian@dialix.oz.au) NetBSD has done quite well for itself in this area.. There are a few few NetBSD based providers over here that spring to mind. > > just in case you are hanging back, not sure about this. here is the > > nic's data on peter ;) > Why would anyone be hanging back :) ? > I'm sure he exists (or that hologram drives pretty well) Heh. Tell that to the owner of the porsche that I bumped into last year... :-) Oh, also, I restored a '-p' option to tunefs that I had been missing from my SVR4 machines... On Julian's drive, I see: tunefs: maximum contiguous block count: (-a) 1 tunefs: rotational delay between contiguous blocks: (-d) 4 ms tunefs: maximum blocks per file in a cylinder group: (-e) 1024 tunefs: minimum percentage of free space: (-m) 10% tunefs: optimization preference: (-o) time I have a question: Are these appropriate for clustering? I remember with SunOS, rotdelay needed to be zero and maxcontig > 1 for clustering to kick in. Is this still the case with FreeBSD's clustering? Patch follows.. (It also fixes a documentation bug, -A was not in the manpage). Yes, I know the same info can be extracted with dumpfs, but I think this is far more convenient than trying to find which options are tuneable in the largeish dumpfs output. Cheers, -Peter *** tunefs.old.c Thu May 26 14:35:06 1994 --- tunefs.c Mon May 29 10:09:20 1995 *************** *** 117,122 **** --- 117,137 ---- Aflag++; continue; + case 'p': + warnx("maximum contiguous block count: (-a) %d", sblock.fs_maxcontig); + warnx("rotational delay between contiguous blocks: (-d) %d ms", sblock.fs_rotdelay); + warnx("maximum blocks per file in a cylinder group: (-e) %d", sblock.fs_maxbpg); + warnx("minimum percentage of free space: (-m) %d%%", sblock.fs_minfree); + warnx("optimization preference: (-o) %s", sblock.fs_optim == FS_OPTSPACE ? "space" : "time"); + if (sblock.fs_minfree >= MINFREE && + sblock.fs_optim == FS_OPTSPACE) + warnx(OPTWARN, "time", ">=", MINFREE); + if (sblock.fs_minfree < MINFREE && + sblock.fs_optim == FS_OPTTIME) + warnx(OPTWARN, "space", "<", MINFREE); + + continue; + case 'a': name = "maximum contiguous block count"; if (argc < 1) *************** *** 233,238 **** --- 248,254 ---- fprintf(stderr, "\t-e maximum blocks per file in a cylinder group\n"); fprintf(stderr, "\t-m minimum percentage of free space\n"); fprintf(stderr, "\t-o optimization preference (`space' or `time')\n"); + fprintf(stderr, "\t-p no change - just prints current tuneable settings\n"); exit(2); } *** tunefs.old.8 Wed Mar 15 17:10:47 1995 --- tunefs.8 Mon May 29 10:06:18 1995 *************** *** 39,48 **** --- 39,50 ---- .Nd tune up an existing file system .Sh SYNOPSIS .Nm tunefs + .Op Fl A .Op Fl a Ar maxcontig .Op Fl d Ar rotdelay .Op Fl e Ar maxbpg .Op Fl m Ar minfree + .Op Fl p .Bk -words .Op Fl o Ar optimize_preference .Ek *************** *** 54,59 **** --- 56,65 ---- The parameters which are to be changed are indicated by the flags given below: .Bl -tag -width Ds + .It Fl A + The file system has several backups of the super-block. Specifying + this option will cause all backups to be modified instead of only the + primary super-block. This is potentially dangerous - use with caution. .It Fl a Ar maxcontig This specifies the maximum number of contiguous blocks that will be laid out before forcing a rotational delay (see *************** *** 103,108 **** --- 109,120 ---- higher overhead for file writes. The kernel normally changes the preference automatically as the percent fragmentation changes on the file system. + .It Fl p + This option shows a summary of what the current tuneable settings + are on the selected file system. More detailed information can be + obtained in the + .Xr dumpfs 8 + manual page. .El .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr fs 5 , From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 21:52:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA16251 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 21:52:09 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA16245 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 21:52:08 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id VAA10803; Sun, 28 May 1995 21:52:02 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199505290452.VAA10803@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: aargh! How to handle 128 ttys on a system? To: peter@haywire.DIALix.COM (Peter Wemm) Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 21:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Peter Wemm" at May 29, 95 11:36:03 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 984 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > BTW: Julian: What came over you when you partitioned that drive? > 31 Meg swap space? :-) ?? Sure makes it hard to get a crash dump of a > machine with 32M in it. (I've since found about options "MAXMEM=31000") hey it was a small machine the motherboard only fitted 16MB.. (steal the DOS partition? (I think there may be one)) > > > Oh, also, I restored a '-p' option to tunefs that I had been missing from > my SVR4 machines... On Julian's drive, I see: > > tunefs: maximum contiguous block count: (-a) 1 > tunefs: rotational delay between contiguous blocks: (-d) 4 ms > tunefs: maximum blocks per file in a cylinder group: (-e) 1024 > tunefs: minimum percentage of free space: (-m) 10% > tunefs: optimization preference: (-o) time yeah sorry, I never got around to tuning and let it use defaults.... works a lot better if you lie about the geometry too, and tell the fs it has one head and 2MB/track or do.... From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 23:06:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA18168 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:06:52 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA18160 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:06:44 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA05867; Mon, 29 May 1995 14:06:35 +0800 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 14:06:34 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Karl Strickland cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Anyone built a config -g'd kernel lately? In-Reply-To: <199505282256.XAA11927@bagpuss.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 28 May 1995, Karl Strickland wrote: > > I tried to build a -current kernel (src about 4 days old) with config -g, > and it reboots almost immediately on startup, it doesnt even finish printing > the 'text=xxxxx, data=xxxx bla bla bla' line. (I did a strip -x on the > newly installed kernel). > > Building the kernel from the same sources without a '-g' option to config > results in a kernel that works fine. Did you strip the kernel both times? I have the same early-reboot problem if I strip my kernels (without the -g option to config). I first ran into the problem when I was testing out the pcvt 3.20 drivers. I made a note of it to Joerg Wunsch and he wasn't sure what to make it of it either, since a kernel shouldn't crash when you strip it. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 23:12:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA18283 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:12:56 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA18277 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:12:33 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA05879; Mon, 29 May 1995 14:11:44 +0800 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 14:11:44 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problems when adding a 3rd SCSI drive In-Reply-To: <2fc92cb14317002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 28 May 1995 pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu wrote: > > Rodime 3085S disk drive ID 5 <---- this is the drive I'm trying to add Just a wild guess here... the Rodime drive was originally intended for use on a Macintosh, was it? I've had practically no luck getting older Rodime "Macintosh" hard drives running on any other platform (including the RamFAST SCSI interface on my Apple IIGS, which is typically quite tolerant about weird SCSI drive firmware). I don't know if that's your problem here, but the name "Rodime" triggered a few bad memories. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 23:28:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA18530 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:28:30 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA18524 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:28:28 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA00500; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:27:50 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505290627.XAA00500@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: aargh! How to handle 128 ttys on a system? To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 23:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, peter@haywire.DIALix.COM In-Reply-To: <199505290255.MAA24888@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at May 29, 95 12:55:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 719 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ... > >Also, the probe/attach only leaves the card in a quiescent state. I'm > >using a user mode program the uploads the firmware for the host controller > >and booting it in /etc/rc*. This step also configures the port array. > >Was there a decision made on the best place to put these during the boot > >sequence? > > No, but if serial lines are used for networking, then they must be > initialized very early, before /etc/netstart is run. This could be handled by /etc/start_if.${ifn} within /etc/netstart, it is one of the reasons that is even there. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 23:44:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA18859 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:44:43 -0700 Received: from ns.dknet.dk (root@ns.dknet.dk [193.88.44.42]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA18850 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:44:36 -0700 Received: from login.dknet.dk by ns.dknet.dk with SMTP id AA15395 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j for ); Mon, 29 May 1995 08:44:31 +0200 Received: by login.dknet.dk (4.1/SMI-4.1DKnet00) id AA10783; Mon, 29 May 95 08:42:26 +0200 Message-Id: <9505290642.AA10783@login.dknet.dk> Subject: Re: SYSV Shared Mem supported/work ? To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Mon, 29 May 95 8:42:25 MET DST Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505290230.TAA12220@freefall.cdrom.com>; from "Charles Henrich" at May 28, 95 10:30 pm From: sos@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: sos@FreeBSD.org X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Charles Henrich who wrote: > > I seem to recall some discussion a couple weeks ago that SYSVSHM isnt > support/doesnt work. Is this true or am I hallucinating? (The reason I ask is > the new linux lkm requires it.. :) It works (kind of) for the Linux stuff, but it has many "features" not found in the "real" shm stuff. I'm going to look at it sometime soon... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org | sos@login.dknet.dk) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 28 23:55:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA19020 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:55:57 -0700 Received: from prosun.first.gmd.de (prosun.first.gmd.de [192.35.150.136]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA19012 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:55:47 -0700 Received: from freebsd.first.gmd.de by prosun.first.gmd.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24959; Mon, 29 May 95 08:55:35 +0200 Received: by freebsd.first.gmd.de (HAA21616); Mon, 29 May 1995 07:59:01 +0200 From: Andreas Schulz Message-Id: <199505290559.HAA21616@freebsd.first.gmd.de> Subject: Re: Problems when adding a 3rd SCSI drive To: pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 07:59:00 +0159 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <2fc92cb14317002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> from "pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu" at May 28, 95 09:08:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 690 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Current hardware installed: > > Adaptec 2842VL SCSI controller ID 7 > Seagate ST1230N disk drive ID 0 > Seagate ST31230N disk drive ID 1 > Archive 2150S tape drive ID 2 > Rodime 3085S disk drive ID 5 <---- this is the drive I'm trying to add Try to set it up in the Adaptec BIOS as a slow 5Mbyte drive and async only. The problems you are seeing may be caused from mixing very old cruft ( Rodime, SCSI I? ) with new fast drives Seagate ST31230N is a fast, synchronous 10Mbyte drive. ATS ( ats@first.gmd.de or ats@cs.tu-berlin.de ) Andreas Schulz GMD-FIRST 12489 Berlin-Adlershof Rudower Chaussee 5 Gebaeude 13.10 Tel: +49-30-6392-1856/+49-177-2134745 Germany/Europe From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 00:47:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA19685 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 00:47:13 -0700 Received: from redline.ru (root@mail.redline.ru [194.87.69.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA19675 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 00:46:25 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 11:36:57 +0400 (GMT+0400) From: Anthony Graphics X-Sender: agl@mail.redline.ru To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: In-Reply-To: <199505280743.AAA05343@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 28 May 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > I think I matched your problem to another person. But do realize > scsi bus termination errors are the #1 cause for failure so I will > always remind people right from the start to check this. Even after > doing that I have found my self on site to repair a ``broken'' system, > only to find what I told them on the phone to check the did not and > infact had an incorrectly terminated bus. > > There are still 2 places for you to have an error in your scsi termination > even with this simple set up. Are the terminators enabled and powered up > on the NCR controller, and on the Quantum Lightning drive. > Ok, ASUS SP3G always comes with NCR termination enabled. As for Quantum lightning, there are two physical units representing terminators and they are in place. Anyway, kernel -c disable wt0 disable mcd0 disable mcd1 helped (well mcd0 and mcd1 was on irq 10 and 11 and these ones are configured for pci Slots 1 & 2 on asus, I have no idea how pci bus works, but when I was installing Mach32 into the slot 1 on the very same board in the machine running linux I had a conflict with AGUS which was using the very same irq. I wonder whether the problem was IRQ conflict or mcd autoprobing) > Just because a scsi bus works on one controller does not make it right, > the termination could have been enabled on the 1542 and disabeld on > the NCR for example. > Sure thing, but it's enabled in my case. > > I booted 2.0-RELEASE ok, but then I was unable to recompile 0412 > > under it (gcc-2.6.3 with -O0 was giving various signals trapped: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Please don't try to fuss with compiler options when building the kernel, > It can cause problems, we compile the way we set things up because that > is what we know to work. You put more variables into the equations when > you do this type of stuff!! > Ok, I run 'config MYSYSTEMNAME' again and tried to compile: cc1 still boiling out with error 'exited on signal 11(sometimes other random signal, often 10)) Well, somebody pointed out optimization code is broken in 2.6.3 so I tried to simplify freebsd-hacker's life (and can't compile 2.6.2 because I have only one FreeBSD box at the site :-( ) Anyway, 2.6.3 seemed to come with 940412 if my memory serves me and I don't keep 2.6.3 sources here, and 2.6.3 used to compile MYSYSTEMNAME before I switched to the machine with the ASUS SP3G board... One thing to mention: I have compiled and installed gnu make into /usr/local/bin/make and /usr/local/bin precedes /usr/bin in my path, so I cd /sys/compile/MYSYSTEMNAME and /usr/bin/make it have nothing to do with problems with unexpected signal trapped by cc1 I suppose? > > most often it was 11 sometimes 10 rarely 5) > > Well, rerunning /usr/bin/make was helpful with times but I've > > gotr stuck with vfs_func.c or something like that: no matter > > how much I've re running make: signal 11 trapped. > > Well I'm running the 0412-SNAP distribution, still under 0322 > > I have _the same problem_ as in the 0412 :-( > > And I can't roll back to 2.0-RELEASE because kvm_make or something like > > this coredumps (what is probably what should be expected but I was surprised > > ;-) > > So, the kernel hangs on the ncr detection :-( > Now after successfully booting 0412SNAP kvm_mkdb still causes this printing appearing on the console: May 29 11:24:11 relay /kernel: pid 209: kvm_mkdb: uid 0: exited on signal 10 Bus error (core dumped) > That was the exact sympton Boyd had, see my other email, on his system. > I wish you had said up front you where using the on board NCR 810 of > an ASUS PCI/I-486SP3G, it would have tripped my memory sooner that I > had been here before. > I'm sorry: never knew which part would be essential for the trouble report. Thanx! Partially succeeded: 0412 boots at least. Strange: the system I used before was some VLB of unknown origin with SIMMS of unknown origin and it worked, now when I assembled the machine from parts supplied by the well known producers it ain't working ;-) Ok here what it is: super tower case with 2 fans and 400 Watt PSU (nearly empty) ASUS SP3G with 256k cache (that came with the board) and Intel-100Mhz DX4 (to tell you truth we 've purchased Intel 100Mhz just to minimize dip switching on the ASUS ;-) two 16MB NEC SIMMS (with parity sure thing) Then came SMC Ultra 8013TPC and Cirrus Logic (some ISA model) SVGA board. AST4 board & Cronyx. Well all four ISA slots are occupied and no PCI slots are occupied AGL > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD > From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 01:20:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA20489 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 01:20:45 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA20479 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 01:20:37 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA00655; Mon, 29 May 1995 01:13:44 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505290813.BAA00655@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: To: agl@mac.glas.apc.org (Anthony Graphics) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 01:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Anthony Graphics" at May 29, 95 11:36:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 6736 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Sun, 28 May 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > I think I matched your problem to another person. But do realize > > scsi bus termination errors are the #1 cause for failure so I will > > always remind people right from the start to check this. Even after > > doing that I have found my self on site to repair a ``broken'' system, > > only to find what I told them on the phone to check the did not and > > infact had an incorrectly terminated bus. > > > > There are still 2 places for you to have an error in your scsi termination > > even with this simple set up. Are the terminators enabled and powered up > > on the NCR controller, and on the Quantum Lightning drive. > > > Ok, ASUS SP3G always comes with NCR termination enabled. There is a jumper on the motherboard to turn it off though. > As for Quantum lightning, there are two physical units representing > terminators and they are in place. I need to update my Quantum drive manual, don't have the Lightning or the Fireball series data in it. There may also be a enable/disable jumper besides the Resistor Packs. (It is true, some Quantum drives have both removable r-packs, and jumpers to enable/disable termination.) > Anyway, kernel -c > disable wt0 > disable mcd0 > disable mcd1 > helped (well mcd0 and mcd1 was on irq 10 and 11 and these ones > are configured for pci Slots 1 & 2 on asus, I have no idea how > pci bus works, but when I was installing Mach32 into the slot 1 > on the very same board in the machine running linux I had > a conflict with AGUS which was using the very same irq. > I wonder whether the problem was IRQ conflict or mcd autoprobing) Something is going funky here with these drivers and the ASUS board, it is not the interrupts since the probes fail and we never do the IRQ attach. I'll have to wait until my back ordered SP3G boards come in so I can debug this :-(. > > Just because a scsi bus works on one controller does not make it right, > > the termination could have been enabled on the 1542 and disabeld on > > the NCR for example. > > > Sure thing, but it's enabled in my case. Okay, just making sure. > > > I booted 2.0-RELEASE ok, but then I was unable to recompile 0412 > > > under it (gcc-2.6.3 with -O0 was giving various signals trapped: > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > Please don't try to fuss with compiler options when building the kernel, > > It can cause problems, we compile the way we set things up because that > > is what we know to work. You put more variables into the equations when > > you do this type of stuff!! > > > Ok, I run 'config MYSYSTEMNAME' again and tried to compile: > cc1 still boiling out with error 'exited on signal 11(sometimes other random > signal, often 10)) :-(, well, at least I got you booting SNAP-950412. > > Well, somebody pointed out optimization code is broken in 2.6.3 > so I tried to simplify freebsd-hacker's life (and can't compile 2.6.2 > because I have only one FreeBSD box at the site :-( ) > Anyway, 2.6.3 seemed to come with 940412 if my memory serves > me and I don't keep 2.6.3 sources here, and 2.6.3 used to compile > MYSYSTEMNAME before I switched to the machine with the ASUS SP3G board... Well, one problem at a time, since we got the boot going, we need to move on to this signal 10/11 problem. Have you set the external cache to write through mode. The Saturn chip set used on the ASUS PCI/I-486SP3G has a bus master DMA cache invalidation bug (it fails to invalidate cache entries written by the NCR controller to main memory), this should fix your signal 10/11 problem. > One thing to mention: I have compiled and installed gnu make into > /usr/local/bin/make and /usr/local/bin precedes /usr/bin in my path, > so I cd /sys/compile/MYSYSTEMNAME > and /usr/bin/make > it have nothing to do with problems with unexpected signal trapped by cc1 > I suppose? Nope, cache bug in the board I am sure is what you are seeing. Set the *External* cache to *Write-through* and your problem will vanish. > > > most often it was 11 sometimes 10 rarely 5) > > > Well, rerunning /usr/bin/make was helpful with times but I've > > > gotr stuck with vfs_func.c or something like that: no matter > > > how much I've re running make: signal 11 trapped. > > > Well I'm running the 0412-SNAP distribution, still under 0322 > > > I have _the same problem_ as in the 0412 :-( > > > And I can't roll back to 2.0-RELEASE because kvm_make or something like > > > this coredumps (what is probably what should be expected but I was surprised > > > ;-) > > > So, the kernel hangs on the ncr detection :-( > > > Now after successfully booting 0412SNAP kvm_mkdb still causes this printing > appearing on the console: > > May 29 11:24:11 relay /kernel: pid 209: kvm_mkdb: uid 0: exited on signal 10 > Bus error (core dumped) See above... > > That was the exact sympton Boyd had, see my other email, on his system. > > I wish you had said up front you where using the on board NCR 810 of > > an ASUS PCI/I-486SP3G, it would have tripped my memory sooner that I > > had been here before. > > > I'm sorry: never knew which part would be essential for the > trouble report. And I forget to tell you about the cache bug on this board, gee, how stupid of me!!! > Thanx! > Partially succeeded: 0412 boots at least. Strange: the system > I used before was some VLB of unknown origin with SIMMS of unknown > origin and it worked, now when I assembled the machine from parts > supplied by the well known producers it ain't working ;-) But you didn't buy it from a ``well known source'' who works all this out before he ships them :-) :-) :-) > Ok here what it is: > super tower case with 2 fans and 400 Watt PSU (nearly empty) EEkksss... a 400W power supply with less than 100W of load on it can easily go out of regulation. Most power supplies have a minium load requirement to do proper regulation. This is often 10 to 25% of full load. Your little SP3G, DX4-100(3.3V chip, not much draw there!), 16MB, and probably 1 disk drive are drawing <100W. Please put a high quality DVM on the +5 supply at the motherboard connector and check it. Also check the ripple with a scope, if you can. > ASUS SP3G with 256k cache (that came with the board) and Intel-100Mhz DX4 > (to tell you truth we 've purchased Intel 100Mhz just to minimize > dip switching on the ASUS ;-) > two 16MB NEC SIMMS (with parity sure thing) > Then came SMC Ultra 8013TPC > and Cirrus Logic (some ISA model) SVGA board. > AST4 board & Cronyx. > Well all four ISA slots are occupied and no PCI slots are occupied :-) -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 02:43:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA23064 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 02:43:41 -0700 Received: from redline.ru (root@mail.redline.ru [194.87.69.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA23043 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 02:43:01 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 13:40:57 +0400 (GMT+0400) From: Anthony Graphics X-Sender: agl@mail.redline.ru To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: In-Reply-To: <199505290813.BAA00655@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 29 May 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > I need to update my Quantum drive manual, don't have the Lightning or > the Fireball series data in it. There may also be a enable/disable > jumper besides the Resistor Packs. (It is true, some Quantum drives > have both removable r-packs, and jumpers to enable/disable termination.) > Not the 540S we have here. It have only three jumpers for setting scsi id. Anyway we've got the drive without the manual. > > Anyway, kernel -c > > disable wt0 > > disable mcd0 > > disable mcd1 > > helped (well mcd0 and mcd1 was on irq 10 and 11 and these ones > > are configured for pci Slots 1 & 2 on asus, I have no idea how > > pci bus works, but when I was installing Mach32 into the slot 1 > > on the very same board in the machine running linux I had > > a conflict with AGUS which was using the very same irq. > > I wonder whether the problem was IRQ conflict or mcd autoprobing) > > Something is going funky here with these drivers and the ASUS board, > it is not the interrupts since the probes fail and we never do the > IRQ attach. I'll have to wait until my back ordered SP3G boards > come in so I can debug this :-(. > > > > Just because a scsi bus works on one controller does not make it right, > > > the termination could have been enabled on the 1542 and disabeld on > > > the NCR for example. > > > > > Sure thing, but it's enabled in my case. > > Okay, just making sure. > > > > > I booted 2.0-RELEASE ok, but then I was unable to recompile 0412 > > > > under it (gcc-2.6.3 with -O0 was giving various signals trapped: > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > > > Please don't try to fuss with compiler options when building the kernel, > > > It can cause problems, we compile the way we set things up because that > > > is what we know to work. You put more variables into the equations when > > > you do this type of stuff!! > > > > > Ok, I run 'config MYSYSTEMNAME' again and tried to compile: > > cc1 still boiling out with error 'exited on signal 11(sometimes other random > > signal, often 10)) > > :-(, well, at least I got you booting SNAP-950412. The same problem was in 2.0 so it's not something introduced in the recent SNAPshots, just something that is in the way FreeBSD deals with Saturn2 I guess... > > > Well, one problem at a time, since we got the boot going, we need to > move on to this signal 10/11 problem. Have you set the external cache > to write through mode. The Saturn chip set used on the ASUS PCI/I-486SP3G > has a bus master DMA cache invalidation bug (it fails to invalidate > cache entries written by the NCR controller to main memory), this should > fix your signal 10/11 problem. Switched DMA Line Buffer Mode to Standard and ISA Master Buffer Mode to Standers just in case: still no luck. Btw, what 486 PCI boards do work properly (The ones without NCR ok) ? > > > One thing to mention: I have compiled and installed gnu make into > > /usr/local/bin/make and /usr/local/bin precedes /usr/bin in my path, > > so I cd /sys/compile/MYSYSTEMNAME > > and /usr/bin/make > > it have nothing to do with problems with unexpected signal trapped by cc1 > > I suppose? > > Nope, cache bug in the board I am sure is what you are seeing. Set the > *External* cache to *Write-through* and your problem will vanish. ^^^^^^^^^^ There is only one "Cache Update Policy"(CUP) switch and I guess it relates to the external cache. Are there motherboards out there that let one to control the update policy for an internal cache ;-0 ? I turned CUP into Wr-Through mode (are you sure the bug ain't fixed in rev 4.0 aka Saturn-2?), and it haven't helped. Still getting sig 11 :-( Well, I've disabled external cache at all: no light at the end of the tunnel; disabled page modes, write buffers, etc: nothing helps. And I've increased both dram and sram wait states to 1 cycle, (two NEC's 9chip simms are 60 ns, so 0 should be enough I guess, but anyway just a sefety precaution) : still no luck. > > > > most often it was 11 sometimes 10 rarely 5) > > > > ;-) > > > > So, the kernel hangs on the ncr detection :-( > > > > > Now after successfully booting 0412SNAP kvm_mkdb still causes this printing > > appearing on the console: > > > > May 29 11:24:11 relay /kernel: pid 209: kvm_mkdb: uid 0: exited on signal 10 > > Bus error (core dumped) > > See above... > > > > That was the exact sympton Boyd had, see my other email, on his system. > > > I wish you had said up front you where using the on board NCR 810 of > > > an ASUS PCI/I-486SP3G, it would have tripped my memory sooner that I > > > had been here before. > > > > > I'm sorry: never knew which part would be essential for the > > trouble report. > > And I forget to tell you about the cache bug on this board, gee, how > stupid of me!!! > Nope, I have no idea whether the bug with write-back is gone but changing flush policy to write-through haven't resolved the problem: cc1 still gets random fatal sig 11 receptions. > > Thanx! > > Partially succeeded: 0412 boots at least. Strange: the system > > I used before was some VLB of unknown origin with SIMMS of unknown > > origin and it worked, now when I assembled the machine from parts > > supplied by the well known producers it ain't working ;-) > > But you didn't buy it from a ``well known source'' who works all this > out before he ships them :-) :-) :-) > Well if I were living in the CA (or US at least) I 'd probably buying from the company like yours, still there's no company like that here in Moscow, and we can't wait looong time before equipment gets shipped. Still, some things like Cisco AS5100 are too expensive here anyway so we'd have to buy them in US (and at least such things can be planned in advance: not the VLB motherboards burning cpus & adaptecs). > > Ok here what it is: > > super tower case with 2 fans and 400 Watt PSU (nearly empty) > > EEkksss... a 400W power supply with less than 100W of load on it > can easily go out of regulation. Most power supplies have a minium > load requirement to do proper regulation. This is often 10 to 25% of > full load. Your little SP3G, DX4-100(3.3V chip, not much draw there!), > 16MB, and probably 1 disk drive are drawing <100W. Please put a Well, 32MB to be precise ;-) Still, I'll try to add more load asap ;-) Surely Yours, AGL From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 03:01:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA23544 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 03:01:58 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA23536 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 03:01:56 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA07237; Mon, 29 May 1995 19:40:44 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199505291010.TAA07237@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Problems when adding a 3rd SCSI drive To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 19:40:44 +0930 (CST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at May 29, 95 02:11:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1400 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao stands accused of saying: > > On Sun, 28 May 1995 pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu wrote: > > > > Rodime 3085S disk drive ID 5 <---- this is the drive I'm trying to add > > Just a wild guess here... the Rodime drive was originally intended > for use on a Macintosh, was it? I've had practically no luck getting > older Rodime "Macintosh" hard drives running on any other platform > (including the RamFAST SCSI interface on my Apple IIGS, which is > typically quite tolerant about weird SCSI drive firmware). I don't > know if that's your problem here, but the name "Rodime" triggered a > few bad memories. I'll second that one - I've done quite a lot of work on various SCSI peripherals, and Mac-specific firmware is the kiss of death for lots of models, either in performance or just plain functionality. (I used to use an Atari TT, which was even more tolerant than the GS, and had some _very_ nice tools, and still had lots of grief). > Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 07:10:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA28749 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 07:10:01 -0700 Received: from dub-img-4.compuserve.com (dub-img-4.compuserve.com [198.4.9.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA28742 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 07:09:55 -0700 Received: by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id KAA07535; Mon, 29 May 1995 10:09:23 -0400 Date: 29 May 95 10:05:19 EDT From: MALCOLM BOFF <100305.2043@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:hackers@FreeBSD" Subject: Adaptec AHA-2940 Message-ID: <950529140518_100305.2043_BHG44-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk FROM : 100305.2043@compuserve.com I recently purchased the FreeBSD CD-ROM from Walnut Creek and I have been unable to install. When booting from the boot disk I do not see the disks (sd0, sd1) and (F)edit requests a disk number which therefore takes me no further. The info on boot scrolls so quickly that I cannot read it so I assume that it does not understand my SCSI adapter which is an Adaptec AHA-2490/2940W PCI-to Fast SCSI. Is there anything I can do about this ? I cannot see any source code that creates the disk image 'floppies\boot.flp' so I am stuck ! Any help appreciated ! Malcolm G. Boff From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 08:11:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA00231 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 08:11:54 -0700 Received: from mail.id.net (kilroy.id.net [152.160.9.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA00225 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 08:11:43 -0700 Received: from zeus.id.net (zeus.id.net [152.160.9.11]) by mail.id.net (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA28816 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:11:45 -0400 From: Robert Shady Received: (rls@localhost) by zeus.id.net (8.6.8/8.6.6) id LAA08744 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:11:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199505291511.LAA08744@zeus.id.net> Subject: Problems with 2.0 SNAP To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 11:11:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1220 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've installed the latest SNAP release of FreeBSD 2.0, and most everything seems to be going okay so far. I am really excited about the new features and speed improvements that have been made. The only problem I seem to be having since upgrading from FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 is this... I have a single process, a Mud game, that runs under the uid of "mud", gid of "games". It seems to work okay, until the process eats up about 14MB of RAM, at which point it Seg-Faults. Under 1.1.5.1 it worked flawlessly. It seems to do much better if I run it as root, but it still seems to seg-fault at some point. I'm not sure exactly, but I'm guessing it may have something to do with a limit on the amount of ram per process, or the number of files per process. If anybody has any idea what may be causing this, please respond to this message. Is there any way to tell how many files a process has open? Have these limits changed since 1.1.5.1? I am running under TCSH 6.04, if that makes a difference. Is there some way of increasing these limits for a specific user? This machine pretty much does nothing else currently but run this game. 486/DX2-80 AMD w/32 MB 540MB IDE Disk SMC Elite Ultra Ethernet FreeBSD 2.0 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 08:15:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA00352 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 08:15:44 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA00343 ; Mon, 29 May 1995 08:15:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199505291515.IAA00343@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Andreas Schulz cc: pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problems when adding a 3rd SCSI drive In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 29 May 95 07:59:00 +0159." <199505290559.HAA21616@freebsd.first.gmd.de> Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 08:15:40 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> Current hardware installed: >> >> Adaptec 2842VL SCSI controller ID 7 >> Seagate ST1230N disk drive ID 0 >> Seagate ST31230N disk drive ID 1 >> Archive 2150S tape drive ID 2 >> Rodime 3085S disk drive ID 5 <---- this is the drive I'm trying to add > >Try to set it up in the Adaptec BIOS as a slow 5Mbyte drive >and async only. The problems you are seeing may be caused from mixing >very old cruft ( Rodime, SCSI I? ) with new fast drives Seagate ST31230N >is a fast, synchronous 10Mbyte drive. > > > ATS ( ats@first.gmd.de or ats@cs.tu-berlin.de ) > >Andreas Schulz GMD-FIRST 12489 Berlin-Adlershof Rudower Chaussee 5 >Gebaeude 13.10 Tel: +49-30-6392-1856/+49-177-2134745 Germany/Europe It may also be that you are using a portion of your cable that is bad, so you don't see the problem unless you attach any device to that section of cable. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 08:35:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA01005 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 08:35:06 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA00998 ; Mon, 29 May 1995 08:35:05 -0700 Message-Id: <199505291535.IAA00998@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: MALCOLM BOFF <100305.2043@compuserve.com> cc: "INTERNET:hackers@FreeBSD" Subject: Re: Adaptec AHA-2940 In-reply-to: Your message of "29 May 95 10:05:19 EDT." <950529140518_100305.2043_BHG44-1@CompuServe.COM> Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 08:35:04 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >FROM : 100305.2043@compuserve.com > >I recently purchased the FreeBSD CD-ROM from Walnut Creek and I have >been unable to install. When booting from the boot disk I do not see >the disks (sd0, sd1) and (F)edit requests a disk number which therefore >takes me no further. The info on boot scrolls so quickly that I cannot read >it so I assume that it does not understand my SCSI adapter which is an >Adaptec AHA-2490/2940W PCI-to Fast SCSI. Is there anything I can do about >this ? I cannot see any source code that creates the disk image 'floppies\boot >.flp' >so I am stuck ! > >Any help appreciated ! > >Malcolm G. Boff The 2940 was not supported in 2.0R. 2.0.5 does support that controller and should be availible shortly. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 08:44:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA01189 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 08:44:35 -0700 Received: from merlin.nando.net (root@merlin.nando.net [152.52.2.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA01099 ; Mon, 29 May 1995 08:39:02 -0700 Received: from nando.net.nando.net (parsifal.nando.net) by merlin.nando.net (4.1/davel-nando/Jan95) id AA05959; Mon, 29 May 95 11:38:30 EDT Received: by nando.net.nando.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20935; Mon, 29 May 95 11:39:12 EDT From: kmitch@nando.net (kmitch) Message-Id: <9505291539.AA20935@nando.net.nando.net> Subject: Adaptec 2940 different From 2940W?? To: questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 11:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 938 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have been trying to get an Adaptec 2940W working with 3 SCSI-2 devices. None of the devices are wide, but I was under the understanding that the 2940W could handle either or BOTH. The devices I am trying to get running are: Micropolis 4110S 1.02 Gig Hard Drive (ID 1) Teac CD-50 CDROM (ID 4) Conner CFP1080S 1.03 Gig Hard Drive (ID 6) The problem I am having is when the SCSI bus gets a lot of activity (ie compiliation or file copying), I get Timeout errors. I have tried various things to try and find the problem. Lowering the Sync Rate, Disabling Sync Negotiation, and Disabling Disconnection. I have also tried eliminating different devices, but no matter what I try I get timeout errors. I had a 2940 (no wide) in the machine for a little while (the place where I bought it, sent me the wrong one by mistake), and I didn't have any problem with that card. Is there anyone out there with a 2940W that has had success?? From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 08:57:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA01550 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 08:57:12 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA01482 ; Mon, 29 May 1995 08:54:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199505291554.IAA01482@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: kmitch@nando.net (kmitch) cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 different From 2940W?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 29 May 95 11:39:12 EDT." <9505291539.AA20935@nando.net.nando.net> Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 08:54:13 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I have been trying to get an Adaptec 2940W working with 3 SCSI-2 devices. Non >e >of the devices are wide, but I was under the understanding that the 2940W coul >d >handle either or BOTH. It can. >The devices I am trying to get running are: > >Micropolis 4110S 1.02 Gig Hard Drive (ID 1) >Teac CD-50 CDROM (ID 4) >Conner CFP1080S 1.03 Gig Hard Drive (ID 6) > >The problem I am having is when the SCSI bus gets a lot of activity (ie >compiliation or file copying), I get Timeout errors. I have tried various >things to try and find the problem. Lowering the Sync Rate, Disabling Sync >Negotiation, and Disabling Disconnection. I have also tried eliminating >different devices, but no matter what I try I get timeout errors. > >I had a 2940 (no wide) in the machine for a little while (the place where I >bought it, sent me the wrong one by mistake), and I didn't have any problem wi >th >that card. Is there anyone out there with a 2940W that has had success?? What version of FreeBSD are you running. There are patches only availible in FreeBSD-current or the "soon to be released" 2.0.5 that deal with known timeout problems with Micropolis drives. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 09:14:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA01863 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 09:14:16 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA01857 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 09:14:15 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id JAA12115; Mon, 29 May 1995 09:11:52 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199505291611.JAA12115@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Anyone built a config -g'd kernel lately? To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 09:11:52 -0700 (PDT) Cc: karl@bagpuss.demon.co.uk, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at May 29, 95 02:06:34 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 650 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Did you strip the kernel both times? I have the same early-reboot > problem if I strip my kernels (without the -g option to config). I > first ran into the problem when I was testing out the pcvt 3.20 > drivers. I made a note of it to Joerg Wunsch and he wasn't sure what > to make it of it either, since a kernel shouldn't crash when you strip > it. I think the symbol loading code in the bootblocks can get confused, at least I've seen signs of that too... -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 10:05:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA02783 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 10:05:39 -0700 Received: from bigdipper.iagi.net (bigdipper.iagi.net [198.6.14.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA02777 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 10:05:37 -0700 Received: (from adhir@localhost) by bigdipper.iagi.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA06791; Mon, 29 May 1995 12:34:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 12:34:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Alok K. Dhir" To: Anthony Graphics cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On the ASUS SP3G I had the same problems with various programs exiting on sig 11, etc until I increased the external cache wait states to 1 in the BIOS. On Mon, 29 May 1995, Anthony Graphics wrote: > On Sun, 28 May 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > I think I matched your problem to another person. But do realize > > scsi bus termination errors are the #1 cause for failure so I will > > always remind people right from the start to check this. Even after > > doing that I have found my self on site to repair a ``broken'' system, > > only to find what I told them on the phone to check the did not and > > infact had an incorrectly terminated bus. > > > > There are still 2 places for you to have an error in your scsi termination > > even with this simple set up. Are the terminators enabled and powered up > > on the NCR controller, and on the Quantum Lightning drive. > > > Ok, ASUS SP3G always comes with NCR termination enabled. > As for Quantum lightning, there are two physical units representing > terminators and they are in place. > Anyway, kernel -c > disable wt0 > disable mcd0 > disable mcd1 > helped (well mcd0 and mcd1 was on irq 10 and 11 and these ones > are configured for pci Slots 1 & 2 on asus, I have no idea how > pci bus works, but when I was installing Mach32 into the slot 1 > on the very same board in the machine running linux I had > a conflict with AGUS which was using the very same irq. > I wonder whether the problem was IRQ conflict or mcd autoprobing) > > > Just because a scsi bus works on one controller does not make it right, > > the termination could have been enabled on the 1542 and disabeld on > > the NCR for example. > > > Sure thing, but it's enabled in my case. > > > > I booted 2.0-RELEASE ok, but then I was unable to recompile 0412 > > > under it (gcc-2.6.3 with -O0 was giving various signals trapped: > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > Please don't try to fuss with compiler options when building the kernel, > > It can cause problems, we compile the way we set things up because that > > is what we know to work. You put more variables into the equations when > > you do this type of stuff!! > > > Ok, I run 'config MYSYSTEMNAME' again and tried to compile: > cc1 still boiling out with error 'exited on signal 11(sometimes other random > signal, often 10)) > > Well, somebody pointed out optimization code is broken in 2.6.3 > so I tried to simplify freebsd-hacker's life (and can't compile 2.6.2 > because I have only one FreeBSD box at the site :-( ) > Anyway, 2.6.3 seemed to come with 940412 if my memory serves > me and I don't keep 2.6.3 sources here, and 2.6.3 used to compile > MYSYSTEMNAME before I switched to the machine with the ASUS SP3G board... > > One thing to mention: I have compiled and installed gnu make into > /usr/local/bin/make and /usr/local/bin precedes /usr/bin in my path, > so I cd /sys/compile/MYSYSTEMNAME > and /usr/bin/make > it have nothing to do with problems with unexpected signal trapped by cc1 > I suppose? > > > > most often it was 11 sometimes 10 rarely 5) > > > Well, rerunning /usr/bin/make was helpful with times but I've > > > gotr stuck with vfs_func.c or something like that: no matter > > > how much I've re running make: signal 11 trapped. > > > Well I'm running the 0412-SNAP distribution, still under 0322 > > > I have _the same problem_ as in the 0412 :-( > > > And I can't roll back to 2.0-RELEASE because kvm_make or something like > > > this coredumps (what is probably what should be expected but I was surprised > > > ;-) > > > So, the kernel hangs on the ncr detection :-( > > > Now after successfully booting 0412SNAP kvm_mkdb still causes this printing > appearing on the console: > > May 29 11:24:11 relay /kernel: pid 209: kvm_mkdb: uid 0: exited on signal 10 > Bus error (core dumped) > > > That was the exact sympton Boyd had, see my other email, on his system. > > I wish you had said up front you where using the on board NCR 810 of > > an ASUS PCI/I-486SP3G, it would have tripped my memory sooner that I > > had been here before. > > > I'm sorry: never knew which part would be essential for the > trouble report. > Thanx! > Partially succeeded: 0412 boots at least. Strange: the system > I used before was some VLB of unknown origin with SIMMS of unknown > origin and it worked, now when I assembled the machine from parts > supplied by the well known producers it ain't working ;-) > Ok here what it is: > super tower case with 2 fans and 400 Watt PSU (nearly empty) > ASUS SP3G with 256k cache (that came with the board) and Intel-100Mhz DX4 > (to tell you truth we 've purchased Intel 100Mhz just to minimize > dip switching on the ASUS ;-) > two 16MB NEC SIMMS (with parity sure thing) > Then came SMC Ultra 8013TPC > and Cirrus Logic (some ISA model) SVGA board. > AST4 board & Cronyx. > Well all four ISA slots are occupied and no PCI slots are occupied > > AGL > > > > -- > > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > > Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD > > > Alok K. Dhir Internet Access Group, Inc. adhir@iagi.net (301) 652-0484 Fax: (301) 652-0649 http://www.iagi.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 11:04:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA03703 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:04:38 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA03686 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:04:31 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA26228; Mon, 29 May 1995 12:02:13 -0600 Message-Id: <199505291802.MAA26228@rover.village.org> Subject: Re: Problems when adding a 3rd SCSI drive To: Andreas Schulz , pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 29 May 1995 08:15:40 PDT Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 12:02:12 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk : It may also be that you are using a portion of your cable that is bad, : so you don't see the problem unless you attach any device to that section : of cable. Or maybe it is the infamous SCSI terminator problem.... Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 11:15:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA03968 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:15:14 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA03962 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:15:12 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA01363; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:13:55 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505291813.LAA01363@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Problems when adding a 3rd SCSI drive To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 11:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ats@freebsd.first.gmd.de, pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505291802.MAA26228@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at May 29, 95 12:02:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 666 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > : It may also be that you are using a portion of your cable that is bad, > : so you don't see the problem unless you attach any device to that section > : of cable. > > Or maybe it is the infamous SCSI terminator problem.... The person did cover the terminatin issue in his first posting, but I failed to notice if it was active or passive termination. When you start to run more than 2 fast scsi-ii devices you really really really should go active termination (Heck, I do it for 1 device any more!!) -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 11:19:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA04095 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:19:15 -0700 Received: from cs.pdx.edu (root@cs.pdx.edu [131.252.20.183]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA04088 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:19:14 -0700 Received: from sirius.cs.pdx.edu (root@sirius.cs.pdx.edu [131.252.20.199]) by cs.pdx.edu (8.6.10/CATastrophe-12/23/94-P) with ESMTP id KAA16968; Mon, 29 May 1995 10:43:41 -0700 for Received: from localhost (jrb@localhost.cs.pdx.edu [127.0.0.1]) by sirius.cs.pdx.edu (8.6.10/CATastrophe-9/18/94-C) with ESMTP id KAA22513; Mon, 29 May 1995 10:42:09 -0700 for Message-Id: <199505291742.KAA22513@sirius.cs.pdx.edu> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Van Jacobson releases vat/sd/wb for linux Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 10:42:08 -0700 From: James Binkley Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anything that could be done to get them to make vat/sd/wb binaries for freebsd? The following forwarded from the rem-conf mbone list. In any case, the discussion of multicast problems is interesting. regards, Jim Binkley jrb@cs.pdx.edu --------------------------------------------------------- ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: rem-conf-request@es.net Return-Path: Received: from osi-west.es.net (osi-west.es.net [128.55.32.32]) by cs.pdx.edu (8.6.10/CATastrophe-12/23/94-P) with SMTP id BAA00659; Sat, 27 May 1995 01:47:45 -0700 for Received: from rx7.ee.lbl.gov by osi-west.es.net with ESnet SMTP (PP); Sat, 27 May 1995 00:08:46 -0700 Received: by rx7.ee.lbl.gov (8.6.12/1.43r) id AAA23238; Sat, 27 May 1995 00:09:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199505270709.AAA23238@rx7.ee.lbl.gov> To: mbone@isi.edu, rem-conf@es.net Subject: linux vat, sd & wb available on ftp.ee.lbl.gov Date: Sat, 27 May 95 00:09:17 PDT From: Van Jacobson Two weeks ago I sent a message saying we had just purchased a machine for linux development & it would probably take about two weeks to port vat, sd & wb to linux. Thanks to a lot of help from Craig Leres, it only took 9 days. We then spent 4 days trying (unsuccessfully) to fix a problem with the linux multicast code so we could offer a patch with the tools. Since the tools are usable even without fixing the kernel problem, we've decided to release them without a kernel patch. They're available in the usual place. I.e., ftp://ftp.ee.lbl.gov/conferencing/vat/linux-vat-3.5.tar.Z ftp://ftp.ee.lbl.gov/conferencing/wb/linux-wb-1.59.tar.Z ftp://ftp.ee.lbl.gov/conferencing/sd/linux-sd-1.17.tar.Z Everything has been build under the Slackware 1.2.8 distribution. The tools were all linked '-static' in the hopes of minimizing problems with different versions of various libraries. They were also all compiled "-g" so interested parties could send us gdb tracebacks with bug reports. Since -g makes the binaries huge, you might want to strip them if your system is tight on disk space. Let us know of any problems. Thanks. - Van Jacobson & Steve McCanne - ------------ This is the README.linux from vat: Notes on vat for linux. Wed May 24 08:50:53 PDT 1995 This is the first release of vat for linux. It has had very little testing so expect bugs. There are some minor problems due to the way PC audio cards work & a major problem from a missing part of the linux multicast code. The audio problems are: - Most PC audio is half-duplex (cannot play & record at the same time) so none of the 'speakerphone' or full-duplex audio modes of vat are available. Essentially you always run in "mike mutes net" mode. We have a PAS-16 on order (the one card we know of that does full duplex audio) and hope to work on full-duplex linux audio support whenever it shows up. That's probably at least a month away. - The linux audio driver doesn't include any way to set the play or record volume so the volume sliders do nothing. The major problem is the multicast code is that multicast through the loopback interface does not work. This is a very serious deficiency since local (loopback) multicast sockets are used to implement "conference busses" that vat/vic/etc. use to do things like pass the audio hardware between different vats, automatically switch video windows on audio activity, etc. We, and others, also have floor & conference control agents (for moderated meetings) and key distribution agents (for private meetings with dynamic membership control) in the works. None of these things will work on linux without fixing the linux kernel. I was hoping to come up with a patch for this but, since the loopback interface is used (wrongly, in my view) to implement the IP_MULTICAST_LOOP socket option, quite a lot of code needs to be changed & I haven't yet figured out enough of the linux socket buffer & locking/ipl conventions to make the changes. Ignoring the future tools that won't work, right now you will find that the lack of local multicast makes it *very* difficult to switch the audio between multiple instances of vat. You will probably want to run just one at a time. There is another, minor, multicast bug that doesn't allow the multicast ttl to be set to 0 (the spec specifically defines 0 as "this machine"). I think the code in linux/net/inet/ip.c should be patched as follows: diff -c -r1.1 ip.c *** 1.1 1995/05/27 06:24:35 - --- ip.c 1995/05/27 06:25:28 *************** *** 2090,2096 **** unsigned char ucval; ucval=get_fs_byte((unsigned char *)optval); ! if(ucval<1||ucval>255) return -EINVAL; sk->ip_mc_ttl=(int)ucval; return 0; - --- 2090,2096 ---- unsigned char ucval; ucval=get_fs_byte((unsigned char *)optval); ! if(ucval>255) return -EINVAL; sk->ip_mc_ttl=(int)ucval; return 0; This bug currently has little effect but will be annoying if the loopback bug is fixed. Good luck. Please send any bug reports to "vat@ee.lbl.gov". Thanks. ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 11:40:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA04603 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:40:34 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA04597 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:40:26 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <139>; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:55:54 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 11:55:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Longer usernames Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've decided to make my system incompatible with the world by changing the maximum username length. Problem is, I forgot where the appropiate constant is stored. BTW, I know this was discussed here before, so I checked the mailing list archive, however the keyword search feature is next to useless since the AND operator doesn't work as described. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 11:48:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA04697 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:48:02 -0700 Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (hasty@netcom14.netcom.com [192.100.81.126]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA04691 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:48:02 -0700 Received: by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA01573; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:47:07 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 11:47:07 -0700 From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) Message-Id: <199505291847.LAA01573@netcom14.netcom.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: vat Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Anything that could be done to get them to make vat/sd/wb binaries >for freebsd? The following forwarded from the rem-conf mbone list. Yeap, instant constant flame specially after his stupid announcement about the audio stuff. I already sent my flame.... Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 11:51:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA04762 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:51:01 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA04756 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:51:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199505291851.LAA04756@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA06819; Mon, 29 May 1995 14:50:58 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: Large UID space/ To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 14:50:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 301 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Are there any plans on making a 32bit UID space workable? If I were to take on the task, would there be any major stumbling blocks that I would hit in the kernel? -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 12:04:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA04957 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 12:04:41 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA04950 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 12:04:38 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA01411; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:38:47 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505291838.LAA01411@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: To: agl@mac.glas.apc.org (Anthony Graphics) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 11:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Anthony Graphics" at May 29, 95 01:40:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 4217 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Well, one problem at a time, since we got the boot going, we need to > > move on to this signal 10/11 problem. Have you set the external cache > > to write through mode. The Saturn chip set used on the ASUS PCI/I-486SP3G > > has a bus master DMA cache invalidation bug (it fails to invalidate > > cache entries written by the NCR controller to main memory), this should > > fix your signal 10/11 problem. > > Switched DMA Line Buffer Mode to Standard and > ISA Master Buffer Mode to Standers > just in case: still no luck. > Btw, what 486 PCI boards do work properly (The ones without NCR ok) ? ASUS PVI-486AP4 works just fine. It does have a 2 master limit, but that is clearly documented in the MB book for it. Please set all BIOS values to ``Setup Default'' then change the external cache to write through mode (CUP as the screen says I guess, been a month since I played with this board) and disable ISA GAT mode. Do NOT make any other changes. I can't track things if we go off tweaking all over the place. > > > One thing to mention: I have compiled and installed gnu make into > > > /usr/local/bin/make and /usr/local/bin precedes /usr/bin in my path, > > > so I cd /sys/compile/MYSYSTEMNAME > > > and /usr/bin/make > > > it have nothing to do with problems with unexpected signal trapped by cc1 > > > I suppose? > > > > Nope, cache bug in the board I am sure is what you are seeing. Set the > > *External* cache to *Write-through* and your problem will vanish. > ^^^^^^^^^^ There is only one "Cache Update Policy"(CUP) switch and I guess > it relates to the external cache. Are there motherboards out > there that let one to control the update policy for an internal cache ;-0 ? Right, this is a 486 you can't change the internal cache policy on it like you can on a Pentium. > I turned CUP into Wr-Through mode (are you sure the bug ain't fixed > in rev 4.0 aka Saturn-2?), and it haven't helped. Still getting sig 11 :-( > Well, I've disabled external cache at all: no light at the end of the tunnel; > disabled page modes, write buffers, etc: nothing helps. > And I've increased both dram and sram wait states to 1 cycle, > (two NEC's 9chip simms are 60 ns, so 0 should be enough I guess, > but anyway just a sefety precaution) : still no luck. > I am quite sure the bug is not fixed in Saturn II, aka Saturn >= Rev 4., If you had a Saturn I based board I would tell you to turn your external cache off as the bug in it is very serious and prevents any type of external cache from being used with bus mastered devices. What is the CPUID value for this CPU chip?? Does this happen to be a stepping 0 Intel 486DX4/100?? Please send me the lines from dmesg that are similiar to this: FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-19950529 #0: Mon May 29 07:40:06 1995 rgrimes@capo1.aac.dev.com:/var/src/sys/compile/GNDRSH CPU: 90-MHz Pentium 735\\90 (Pentium-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x524 Stepping=4 Features=0x1bf real memory = 66715648 (16288 pages) avail memory = 64196608 (15673 pages) ... > > > Ok here what it is: > > > super tower case with 2 fans and 400 Watt PSU (nearly empty) > > > > EEkksss... a 400W power supply with less than 100W of load on it > > can easily go out of regulation. Most power supplies have a minium > > load requirement to do proper regulation. This is often 10 to 25% of > > full load. Your little SP3G, DX4-100(3.3V chip, not much draw there!), > > 16MB, and probably 1 disk drive are drawing <100W. Please put a > > Well, 32MB to be precise ;-) Still, I'll try to add more load asap ;-) If you can please do the voltage measurement to make sure the power supply is putting out 4.95 to 5.05V at the motherboard power supply connector. Also please tripple check the motherboard jumper settings (I know you said you did not want to fuss with them, but I have seen some really strange things caused by not setting up the board correctly, and if I recall you do need to tweak a few jumpers to set that board up correctly for a DX4/100 vs the factory settings. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 18:34:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA00419 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 18:34:55 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA07019 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 13:28:40 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43010>; Mon, 29 May 1995 22:28:29 +0200 Received: (from jhs@localhost) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA21512 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 29 May 1995 22:28:23 +0200 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 22:28:23 +0200 From: Julian Howard Stacey Message-Id: <199505292028.WAA21512@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: jhs .forward dissapered, sorry if replies are late Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk my .forward dissapered on a relay site, so some mail has been piling up unobserved (not all, though stuff for jhs@vector... got through) Apologies if any replies are overdue, I'll get to it. Julian S --- Julian Stacey From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 18:39:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA00561 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 18:39:23 -0700 Received: from orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil ([158.9.11.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA08750 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 15:13:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199505292213.PAA08750@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA068415387; Mon, 29 May 1995 18:09:47 -0400 From: william pechter ILEX Subject: Re: Anyone built a config -g'd kernel lately? To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 18:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-hackers) In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at May 29, 95 02:06:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 602 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Sun, 28 May 1995, Karl Strickland wrote: > > > > I tried to build a -current kernel (src about 4 days old) with config -g, > > and it reboots almost immediately on startup, it doesnt even finish printing > > the 'text=xxxxx, data=xxxx bla bla bla' line. (I did a strip -x on the > > newly installed kernel). > > > > Building the kernel from the same sources without a '-g' option to config > > results in a kernel that works fine. Interesting -- since I have this problem only on booting from hard disk with the install disks on the entire 2.x series. Booting from floppy works ok. Bill From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 18:42:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA00642 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 18:42:15 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA06132 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 12:55:50 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id MAA12809; Mon, 29 May 1995 12:55:45 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199505291955.MAA12809@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: vat To: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 12:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505291847.LAA01573@netcom14.netcom.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr" at May 29, 95 11:47:07 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 627 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > >Anything that could be done to get them to make vat/sd/wb binaries > >for freebsd? The following forwarded from the rem-conf mbone list. > > Yeap, instant constant flame specially after his stupid announcement > about the audio stuff. what stupid announcement? > > I already sent my flame.... I think FLAME isn not the way to make friends.. > > Amancio > I sent him a message pointing out that as we can run the BSDI binaries with some ammount of success, that to produce a native binary should not be too much of a problem, and that we can make all resources he needs available to help him do it.... julian From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 18:48:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA01045 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 18:48:32 -0700 Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [204.215.209.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA08243 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 14:33:21 -0700 Received: (from bugs@localhost) by ns1.win.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA03623 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 29 May 1995 17:37:46 -0400 From: Mark Hittinger Message-Id: <199505292137.RAA03623@ns1.win.net> Subject: re: Longer usernames To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 17:37:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 891 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From: Tom Samplonius > > I've decided to make my system incompatible with the world by changing > the maximum username length. Problem is, I forgot where the appropiate > constant is stored. > I needed to support 10 character user names in order to convert our installed base over to freebsd. This did not require a kernel change. I changed /usr/include/utmp.sh UT_NAMESIZE to 10. Recompile everything, don't forget xterm. Reboot in single user mode and clear out the utmp file. This has been working for several months without trouble. In param.h there is a kernel parameter MAXLOGNAME which is 12. So if you want more than 10 you might have to recompile the kernel to support it. It tried to blow it out to 16 character usernames but ran into some kernel crashes so I back out (since I really only needed 10). Regards, Mark Hittinger bugs@win.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 18:51:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA01152 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 18:51:25 -0700 Received: from orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil ([158.9.11.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA08725 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 15:11:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199505292211.PAA08725@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA068345335; Mon, 29 May 1995 18:08:55 -0400 From: william pechter ILEX Subject: Re: Anyone built a config -g'd kernel lately? To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 18:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-hackers) In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at May 29, 95 02:06:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1012 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Sun, 28 May 1995, Karl Strickland wrote: > > > > I tried to build a -current kernel (src about 4 days old) with config -g, > > and it reboots almost immediately on startup, it doesnt even finish printing > > the 'text=xxxxx, data=xxxx bla bla bla' line. (I did a strip -x on the > > newly installed kernel). > > > > Building the kernel from the same sources without a '-g' option to config > > results in a kernel that works fine. > > Did you strip the kernel both times? I have the same early-reboot > problem if I strip my kernels (without the -g option to config). I > first ran I get this problem with 2.0 Release and the 4/12 snap ... I've been unable to get 2.0 up on both my 386 and 486. Any suggestions... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter |Systems Administrator | N2RDI Ilex Systems |170 Patterson Ave | Shrewsbury, New Jersey 07702 908-532-2369 |pechter@sesd.ilex.com | pechter@stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 18:54:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA01211 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 18:54:20 -0700 Received: from mpp.com (dialup-4-66.gw.umn.edu [128.101.96.66]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA07378 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 13:47:00 -0700 Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mpp.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA00707 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 29 May 1995 15:46:14 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard Message-Id: <199505292046.PAA00707@mpp.com> Subject: Re: Problems when adding a 3rd SCSI drive To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 15:46:13 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199505291813.LAA01363@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at May 29, 95 11:13:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1174 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone who responded to my message. Unfortunately, after trying for a few hours this morning, I have decided that the Rodime drive (SCSI-I) and the newer Seagate drive (SCSI-II) cannot live together on the same SCSI controller. I tried removing everything else except those two drives from the system, and anytime I touched the Seagate drive, the Rodime would lock up. In regards to termination, I tried swapping the drives around and making the Seagate the terminating drive, but no luck either. I also tried 3 different cables. Nothing would make them work together. My other Seagate drive which is also SCSI-I has no problem living with the SCSI-II drive, and the Rodime has no problems when it is running with the SCSI-I Seagate drive. Howver, I did finally get the drive running on my system, but I cheated :-). I stuck in an old Adaptec 1542B card I had sitting around and started running the Rodime drive off of that card. Although I'm not sure it was worth all the trouble I went through just to get another 65MB of disk space... -- Mike Pritchard pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu "Go that way. Really fast. If something gets in your way, turn" From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 19:00:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA01285 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 19:00:03 -0700 Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (root@netcom14.netcom.com [192.100.81.126]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA07358 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 13:46:08 -0700 Received: by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id NAA16540; Mon, 29 May 1995 13:40:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 13:40:42 -0700 From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) Message-Id: <199505292040.NAA16540@netcom14.netcom.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org, vat@ee.lbl.gov Subject: Re: vat Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > > >Anything that could be done to get them to make vat/sd/wb binaries > > >for freebsd? The following forwarded from the rem-conf mbone list. > > > > Yeap, instant constant flame specially after his stupid announcement > > about the audio stuff. > what stupid announcement? > > > > I already sent my flame.... > I think FLAME isn not the way to make friends.. > > > > Amancio > > > > > I sent him a message pointing out that as we can run the BSDI binaries with > some ammount of success, that to produce a native binary should not be too > much of a problem, and that we can make all resources he needs available > to help him do it.... Many including myself for the past few years have mailed him the same information and we have received NIL back from him. *Steve Macanne* at least was very kind to respond. Kudos to him in the diplomacy area! > > julian > > >From his posting: We have a PAS-16 on order (the one card we know of that does full duplex audio) and hope to work on full-duplex linux audio support whenever it shows up. That's probably at least a month away. ---- The PAS-16 are problematic and in some motherboards it generates a horrible noise . The work around is to defined in the linux sound driver "BROKEN_BUS_CLOCK". They are other quality issues with the PAS-16. They are well aware that the GUSes support dual dma in fact Steve Mcanne forwards people to me so I can give them the code. --- > - The linux audio driver doesn't include any way to set the > play or record volume so the volume sliders do nothing. Dumb again, if Van doesn't know how all he has to do is ask! Later, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 29 19:06:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA01446 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 19:06:53 -0700 Received: from easynet.com (easy1.easynet.com [199.2.26.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA05887 ; Mon, 29 May 1995 12:42:08 -0700 Received: by easynet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0sGAgL-000reNC; Mon, 29 May 95 12:40 WET DST Message-Id: From: brian@MediaCity.com (Brian Litzinger) Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 different From 2940W?? To: kmitch@nando.net (kmitch) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 12:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9505291539.AA20935@nando.net.nando.net> from "kmitch" at May 29, 95 11:39:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 606 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have been trying to get an Adaptec 2940W working with 3 SCSI-2 devices. None > ... > The problem I am having is when the SCSI bus gets a lot of activity (ie > compiliation or file copying), I get Timeout errors. I have tried various > things to try and find the problem. Lowering the Sync Rate, Disabling Sync > Negotiation, and Disabling Disconnection. I have also tried eliminating > different devices, but no matter what I try I get timeout errors. I'm running a 2940W with three narrow devices without problems. I have a 2.1GB HD, CDROM, and Archive DAT. Brian Litzinger brian@easynet.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 00:03:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA25454 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 00:03:16 -0700 Received: from redline.ru (root@mail.redline.ru [194.87.69.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA25443 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 00:02:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 11:00:49 +0400 (GMT+0400) From: Anthony Graphics X-Sender: agl@mail.redline.ru To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: In-Reply-To: <199505291838.LAA01411@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 29 May 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 11:38:46 -0700 (PDT) > From: Rodney W. Grimes > To: Anthony Graphics > Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: > > > > Well, one problem at a time, since we got the boot going, we need to > > > move on to this signal 10/11 problem. Have you set the external cache > > > to write through mode. The Saturn chip set used on the ASUS PCI/I-486SP3G > > > has a bus master DMA cache invalidation bug (it fails to invalidate > > > cache entries written by the NCR controller to main memory), this should > > > fix your signal 10/11 problem. > > > > Switched DMA Line Buffer Mode to Standard and > > ISA Master Buffer Mode to Standers > > just in case: still no luck. > > Btw, what 486 PCI boards do work properly (The ones without NCR ok) ? > > ASUS PVI-486AP4 works just fine. It does have a 2 master limit, but > that is clearly documented in the MB book for it. > > Please set all BIOS values to ``Setup Default'' then change the external > cache to write through mode (CUP as the screen says I guess, been a > month since I played with this board) and disable ISA GAT mode. Do > NOT make any other changes. I can't track things if we go off tweaking > all over the place. > > > > > One thing to mention: I have compiled and installed gnu make into > > > > /usr/local/bin/make and /usr/local/bin precedes /usr/bin in my path, > > > > so I cd /sys/compile/MYSYSTEMNAME > > > > and /usr/bin/make > > > > it have nothing to do with problems with unexpected signal trapped by cc1 > > > > I suppose? > > > > > > Nope, cache bug in the board I am sure is what you are seeing. Set the > > > *External* cache to *Write-through* and your problem will vanish. > > ^^^^^^^^^^ There is only one "Cache Update Policy"(CUP) switch and I guess > > it relates to the external cache. Are there motherboards out > > there that let one to control the update policy for an internal cache ;-0 ? > > Right, this is a 486 you can't change the internal cache policy on it like > you can on a Pentium. > > > I turned CUP into Wr-Through mode (are you sure the bug ain't fixed > > in rev 4.0 aka Saturn-2?), and it haven't helped. Still getting sig 11 :-( > > Well, I've disabled external cache at all: no light at the end of the tunnel; > > disabled page modes, write buffers, etc: nothing helps. > > And I've increased both dram and sram wait states to 1 cycle, > > (two NEC's 9chip simms are 60 ns, so 0 should be enough I guess, > > but anyway just a sefety precaution) : still no luck. > > > > I am quite sure the bug is not fixed in Saturn II, aka Saturn >= Rev 4., > If you had a Saturn I based board I would tell you to turn your external > cache off as the bug in it is very serious and prevents any type of > external cache from being used with bus mastered devices. > > What is the CPUID value for this CPU chip?? Does this happen to be > a stepping 0 Intel 486DX4/100?? Please send me the lines from ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ yes. Anything wrong with it > dmesg that are similiar to this: > > FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-19950529 #0: Mon May 29 07:40:06 1995 > rgrimes@capo1.aac.dev.com:/var/src/sys/compile/GNDRSH > CPU: 90-MHz Pentium 735\\90 (Pentium-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x524 Stepping=4 > Features=0x1bf > real memory = 66715648 (16288 pages) > avail memory = 64196608 (15673 pages) FreeBSD 2.0.950412-SNAP #0: Thu Apr 13 14:11:34 1995 jkh@time.cdrom.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC CPU: i486 DX4 (486-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x480 Stepping=0 Features=0x3 real memory = 33161216 (8096 pages) avail memory = 30629888 (7478 pages) Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 not found at 0x280 ed1 at 0x300-0x31f irq 10 maddr 0xd8000 msize 16384 on isa ed1: address 00:00:c0:d3:7a:52, type WD8013EPC (16 bit) sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A sio2 not found at 0x3e8 sio3 not found at 0x2e8 lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface lpt1 not found at 0xffffffff lpt2 not found at 0xffffffff fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 72065B fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 not found at 0x1f0 wdc1 not found at 0x170 bt0 not found at 0x330 uha0 not found at 0x330 ahc1 not found ahb0 not found aha0 not found at 0x330 aic0 not found at 0x340 nca0 not found at 0x1f88 nca1 not found at 0x350 sea0 not found wt0: disabled, not probed. mcd0: disabled, not probed. mcd1: disabled, not probed. scd0 not found at 0x230 eg0 not probed due to I/O address conflict with ed1 at 0x310 ep0 not probed due to I/O address conflict with ed1 at 0x300 ie0 not found at 0x360 ix0 not probed due to I/O address conflict with ed1 at 0x300 le0 not probed due to I/O address conflict with ed1 at 0x300 lnc0 not found at 0x280 lnc1 not probed due to I/O address conflict with ed1 at 0x300 ze0 not probed due to I/O address conflict with ed1 at 0x300 zp0 not probed due to I/O address conflict with ed1 at 0x300 matcd0 not found at 0xffffffff npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface Probing for devices on the pci0 bus: configuration mode 2 allows 16 devices. chip0 rev 4 on pci0:0 ncr0 rev 2 int a irq 9 on pci0:1 reg20: virtual=0xf4786000 physical=0xfbfff000 size=0x100 ncr0: restart (scsi reset). ncr0 scanning for targets 0..6 (V2 pl21 95/03/21) ncr0 waiting for scsi devices to settle (ncr0:0:0): "QUANTUM LIGHTNING 540S 241E" is a type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ncr0:0:0): Direct-Access sd0(ncr0:0:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. 525MB (1075649 512 byte sectors) chip1 rev 132 on pci0:2 pci0: uses 256 bytes of memory from fbfff000 upto fbfff0ff. pci0: uses 256 bytes of I/O space from e800 upto e8ff. changing root device to sd0a pid 250: cc1: uid 0: exited on signal 11 pid 255: cc1: uid 0: exited on signal 6 pid 260: cc1: uid 0: exited on signal 6 CPU: ser # A4212608CA Here, motherboard settings: JP17,18 Open JP22 1&2 JP21 2&3 JP26 1&2 JP27 2&3 JP28 1&2 JP29 2&3 JP18,20 1&2 - Ext CPU Speed 33 MHz JP3[012] 1&2 - SL CPU JP33 open (x3 Internal clock) JP34 2&3 JP35 1&2 JP36 2&3 JP38 Open > > ... > > > > Ok here what it is: > > > > super tower case with 2 fans and 400 Watt PSU (nearly empty) > > > > > > EEkksss... a 400W power supply with less than 100W of load on it > > > can easily go out of regulation. Most power supplies have a minium > > > load requirement to do proper regulation. This is often 10 to 25% of > > > full load. Your little SP3G, DX4-100(3.3V chip, not much draw there!), > > > 16MB, and probably 1 disk drive are drawing <100W. Please put a > > > > Well, 32MB to be precise ;-) Still, I'll try to add more load asap ;-) > > If you can please do the voltage measurement to make sure the power > supply is putting out 4.95 to 5.05V at the motherboard power supply > connector. > Ok, will do, but tell me first if anything wrong with dmesg output. (stepping 0 486 in particular) > Also please tripple check the motherboard jumper settings (I know you > said you did not want to fuss with them, but I have seen some really > strange things caused by not setting up the board correctly, and if > I recall you do need to tweak a few jumpers to set that board up > correctly for a DX4/100 vs the factory settings. > Nope, I've seen nothing should be changed. AGL > > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 00:25:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA25863 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 00:25:49 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA25857 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 00:25:45 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA02866; Tue, 30 May 1995 00:12:27 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505300712.AAA02866@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: To: agl@mac.glas.apc.org (Anthony Graphics) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 00:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Anthony Graphics" at May 30, 95 11:00:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2900 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ... > > I am quite sure the bug is not fixed in Saturn II, aka Saturn >= Rev 4., > > If you had a Saturn I based board I would tell you to turn your external > > cache off as the bug in it is very serious and prevents any type of > > external cache from being used with bus mastered devices. > > > > What is the CPUID value for this CPU chip?? Does this happen to be > > a stepping 0 Intel 486DX4/100?? Please send me the lines from > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ yes. Anything wrong with it Possibly, I have 2 other sites reporting strange signals and or crashes and both of them have stepping 0 Intel 486DX4/100 CPU chips. Can you please send me ALL of the markings on both the top and the bottom of the chip. I have an open incident number with Intel on this and need that information to add to the report. If possible get your hands on a stepping 1 CPU and see if the problem just goes away. > > dmesg that are similiar to this: > > > > FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-19950529 #0: Mon May 29 07:40:06 1995 > > rgrimes@capo1.aac.dev.com:/var/src/sys/compile/GNDRSH > > CPU: 90-MHz Pentium 735\\90 (Pentium-class CPU) > > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x524 Stepping=4 > > Features=0x1bf > > real memory = 66715648 (16288 pages) > > avail memory = 64196608 (15673 pages) > > FreeBSD 2.0.950412-SNAP #0: Thu Apr 13 14:11:34 1995 > jkh@time.cdrom.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC > CPU: i486 DX4 (486-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x480 Stepping=0 Features=0x3 Yep, it is a stepping 0 :-(. Intel won't confirm the problem, but with 3 sites now reporting this I am getting mighty suspecious!! > > CPU: > ser # A4212608CA I need *ALL* the numbers, both top and bottom. If there is a white tag on the bottom of the CPU that says warranty void if removed do not remove it. If you have a warranty on the CPU chip take it back and get a stepping 1 CPU from who ever you got it from. > Here, motherboard settings: > JP17,18 Open > JP22 1&2 > JP21 2&3 > JP26 1&2 > JP27 2&3 > JP28 1&2 > JP29 2&3 > > JP18,20 1&2 - Ext CPU Speed 33 MHz > JP3[012] 1&2 - SL CPU > JP33 open (x3 Internal clock) > JP34 2&3 > JP35 1&2 > JP36 2&3 > JP38 Open > > I don't have a MB or the book for it here so I can't look these up. But from your comments it looks right. ... > > If you can please do the voltage measurement to make sure the power > > supply is putting out 4.95 to 5.05V at the motherboard power supply > > connector. > > > Ok, will do, but tell me first if anything wrong with dmesg output. > (stepping 0 486 in particular) I suspect, but do not have confirmation that this stepping of the chip erroniously asserts a privilidge instruction fault under certain conditions. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 02:23:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA14076 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 02:23:58 -0700 Received: from redline.ru (root@mail.redline.ru [194.87.69.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA14027 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 02:23:18 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 13:20:48 +0400 (GMT+0400) From: Anthony Graphics X-Sender: agl@mail.redline.ru To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: In-Reply-To: <199505300712.AAA02866@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk tOn Tue, 30 May 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > Can you please send me ALL of the markings on both the top and > the bottom of the chip. I have an open incident number with Intel > on this and need that information to add to the report. If possible > get your hands on a stepping 1 CPU and see if the problem just goes > away. > Top markings: Intel(r) IntelDX4 tm iCOMP tm index=435 A80486DX4-100 | C405053W | &E 3VOLT SX900 | INTEL (M)(C)'89'93 Marks on the Bottom (on the pin's grid side): A4212608CA White label: WARRANTY VOID IF TORN 13080595 Don't know what's under the label: and I checked it twice, so the possibility of mistake here is minimal. AGL > I need *ALL* the numbers, both top and bottom. If there is a white > tag on the bottom of the CPU that says warranty void if removed do > not remove it. If you have a warranty on the CPU chip take it back > and get a stepping 1 CPU from who ever you got it from. Ok, I have another DX100 in the production machine under Linux, will have to wait until the non-pick hours to check the stepping of it (/proc/cpuinfo in linux ain't reporting stepping) Btw can you tell me what's stepping (I have in turn to explain to our suppliers I suspect). Is it something like release? SY, AGL From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 02:37:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA16232 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 02:37:31 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA16219 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 02:37:24 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id CAA03294; Tue, 30 May 1995 02:35:02 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505300935.CAA03294@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: To: agl@mac.glas.apc.org (Anthony Graphics) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 02:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Anthony Graphics" at May 30, 95 01:20:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2287 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > tOn Tue, 30 May 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > Can you please send me ALL of the markings on both the top and > > the bottom of the chip. I have an open incident number with Intel > > on this and need that information to add to the report. If possible > > get your hands on a stepping 1 CPU and see if the problem just goes > > away. > > > Top markings: > Intel(r) > IntelDX4 tm > iCOMP tm index=435 > > A80486DX4-100 > | C405053W > | &E 3VOLT SX900 > | INTEL (M)(C)'89'93 > > Marks on the Bottom (on the pin's grid side): > A4212608CA > White label: WARRANTY VOID IF TORN Well then, go get it replace under WARRANTY :-) :-) :-) > 13080595 > > Don't know what's under the label: and I checked it twice, > so the possibility of mistake here is minimal. Okay, thanks, I will call Intel in the morning and add it to my current incident report. > AGL > > I need *ALL* the numbers, both top and bottom. If there is a white > > tag on the bottom of the CPU that says warranty void if removed do > > not remove it. If you have a warranty on the CPU chip take it back > > and get a stepping 1 CPU from who ever you got it from. > > Ok, I have another DX100 in the production machine under Linux, will have > to wait until the non-pick hours to check the stepping of it > (/proc/cpuinfo in linux ain't reporting stepping) Btw can you tell me > what's stepping (I have in turn to explain to our suppliers I suspect). Is > it something like release? It is something like a release, there are stepping numbers and mask revisions. The stepping number gives you a rought idea of what revision the chip is at, kinda like knowing it is 2.0 but not if it is 2.0.1 or 2.0.2 or 2.0.3, with that SX900 number I can look up in a table and find out exactly what mask revision it is (kinda like knowing it is infact exactly 2.0.3). Intel needs this for the incident report since the problem may be with only one mask revision. They also need the other gunk to figure out what fab it was built in (this is the number under that white tag since I don't see a fab plant id in the ones you gave me (most of them say ``MALAY''). -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 03:22:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA22516 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 03:22:51 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA22496 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 03:22:45 -0700 Received: from minnow.render.com (render.demon.co.uk [158.152.30.118]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA08231 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 03:22:46 -0700 Received: (from dfr@localhost) by minnow.render.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA03774; Tue, 30 May 1995 11:06:03 +0100 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 11:06:02 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SYSV Shared Mem supported/work ? In-Reply-To: <199505290230.TAA12220@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 28 May 1995, Charles Henrich wrote: > I seem to recall some discussion a couple weeks ago that SYSVSHM isnt > support/doesnt work. Is this true or am I hallucinating? (The reason I ask is > the new linux lkm requires it.. :) It works well enough for the MIT-SHM X extension. I use it every day and haven't seen any problems with it since I imported it into the 2.0 kernel from NetBSD. -- Doug Rabson, RenderMorphics Ltd. Mail: dfr@render.com Phone: +44 171 251 4411 FAX: +44 171 251 0939 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 03:51:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA26577 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 03:51:23 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA26563 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 03:51:09 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA00279; Tue, 30 May 1995 18:49:44 +0800 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 18:49:43 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: In-Reply-To: <199505300712.AAA02866@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 30 May 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > Possibly, I have 2 other sites reporting strange signals and or > crashes and both of them have stepping 0 Intel 486DX4/100 CPU > chips. If it helps to have a negative datapoint: I have two ASUS 486 PVI-SP3 motherboards with stepping 0 Intel 486DX4/100 CPU's and the PCI-SC200 NCR controller from ASUS, both running Quantum Empire 1080S drives. No problems with the most recent snapshot (had them for almost a month now). FreeBSD 2.0.950412-SNAP #0: Mon May 15 17:55:35 CST 1995 taob@falcon.ibms.sinica.edu.tw:/usr/sys/compile/LEO CPU: i486 DX4 (486-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x480 Stepping=0 Features=0x3 real memory = 16384000 (4000 pages) avail memory = 15007744 (3664 pages) [...] ncr0 rev 2 int a irq 11 on pci0:12 reg20: virtual=0xf2f59000 physical=0xfafff000 size=0x100 ncr0: restart (scsi reset). ncr0 scanning for targets 0..6 (V2 pl21 95/03/21) ncr0 waiting for scsi devices to settle (ncr0:6:0): "QUANTUM EMPIRE_1080S 1220" is a type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ncr0:6:0): Direct-Access sd0(ncr0:6:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. 1029MB (2109376 512 byte sectors) pci0: uses 8388864 bytes of memory from fafff000 upto fb7fffff. pci0: uses 256 bytes of I/O space from e800 upto e8ff. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 03:53:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA26890 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 03:53:52 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA26869 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 03:53:47 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id DAA03439; Tue, 30 May 1995 03:53:11 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505301053.DAA03439@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 03:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at May 30, 95 06:49:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1051 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Tue, 30 May 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > Possibly, I have 2 other sites reporting strange signals and or > > crashes and both of them have stepping 0 Intel 486DX4/100 CPU > > chips. > > If it helps to have a negative datapoint: I have two ASUS 486 > PVI-SP3 motherboards with stepping 0 Intel 486DX4/100 CPU's and the > PCI-SC200 NCR controller from ASUS, both running Quantum Empire 1080S > drives. No problems with the most recent snapshot (had them for > almost a month now). Incomplete data point, I need all the numbers from the chip, it could very well be specific to one mask revision set (and the stepping won't tell you *exactly* what mask set was used, you need the ``Spec'' number off the part (normally 2 letters and 3 digits). Then Intel still needs me to provide the other numbers, so without a complete set of numbers it is not a data point for me :-(. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 06:10:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA19915 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 06:10:47 -0700 Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [204.215.209.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA19903 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 06:10:44 -0700 Received: (from bugs@localhost) by ns1.win.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA13127 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 May 1995 09:15:24 -0400 From: Mark Hittinger Message-Id: <199505301315.JAA13127@ns1.win.net> Subject: mailing lists To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 09:15:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 164 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It may be worth bagging the mailing lists entirely and going for newsgroups instead. It means you've hit the big time :-) Regards, Mark Hittinger bugs@win.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 06:18:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA21622 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 06:18:37 -0700 Received: from redline.ru (root@mail.redline.ru [194.87.69.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA21566 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 06:18:15 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 17:11:59 +0400 (GMT+0400) From: Anthony Graphics X-Sender: agl@mail.redline.ru To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: In-Reply-To: <199505300935.CAA03294@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 30 May 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: The problem was processor for sure. I've replaced it with another one from the production machine and everything then compiled flawlessly (the processor was stepping 0 however also) AGL > Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 02:35:02 -0700 (PDT) > From: Rodney W. Grimes > To: Anthony Graphics > Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: > > > > > tOn Tue, 30 May 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > Can you please send me ALL of the markings on both the top and > > > the bottom of the chip. I have an open incident number with Intel > > > on this and need that information to add to the report. If possible > > > get your hands on a stepping 1 CPU and see if the problem just goes > > > away. > > > > > Top markings: > > Intel(r) > > IntelDX4 tm > > iCOMP tm index=435 > > > > A80486DX4-100 > > | C405053W > > | &E 3VOLT SX900 > > | INTEL (M)(C)'89'93 > > > > Marks on the Bottom (on the pin's grid side): > > A4212608CA > > White label: WARRANTY VOID IF TORN > > Well then, go get it replace under WARRANTY :-) :-) :-) > > > 13080595 > > > > Don't know what's under the label: and I checked it twice, > > so the possibility of mistake here is minimal. > > Okay, thanks, I will call Intel in the morning and add it to my > current incident report. > > > AGL > > > I need *ALL* the numbers, both top and bottom. If there is a white > > > tag on the bottom of the CPU that says warranty void if removed do > > > not remove it. If you have a warranty on the CPU chip take it back > > > and get a stepping 1 CPU from who ever you got it from. > > > > Ok, I have another DX100 in the production machine under Linux, will have > > to wait until the non-pick hours to check the stepping of it > > (/proc/cpuinfo in linux ain't reporting stepping) Btw can you tell me > > what's stepping (I have in turn to explain to our suppliers I suspect). Is > > it something like release? > > It is something like a release, there are stepping numbers and mask > revisions. The stepping number gives you a rought idea of what revision > the chip is at, kinda like knowing it is 2.0 but not if it is 2.0.1 or > 2.0.2 or 2.0.3, with that SX900 number I can look up in a table and > find out exactly what mask revision it is (kinda like knowing it is > infact exactly 2.0.3). Intel needs this for the incident report since > the problem may be with only one mask revision. > > They also need the other gunk to figure out what fab it was built > in (this is the number under that white tag since I don't see a fab > plant id in the ones you gave me (most of them say ``MALAY''). > > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 06:54:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA00236 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 06:54:07 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA00217 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 06:54:03 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id JAA06506; Tue, 30 May 1995 09:55:18 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199505301355.JAA06506@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Re: mailing lists To: bugs@ns1.win.net (Mark Hittinger) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 09:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505301315.JAA13127@ns1.win.net> from "Mark Hittinger" at May 30, 95 09:15:23 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 512 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Mark Hittinger writes: > It may be worth bagging the mailing lists entirely and going for newsgroups > instead. Er, although I must say that I'm fond of threading newsreaders, they only work if you have access to a reliable news server. I suspect the number of people with reliable mail connections is larger than those with relibale news connections. -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 07:02:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA02496 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 07:02:24 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA02442 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 07:02:14 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id JAA25313; Tue, 30 May 1995 09:53:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 09:53:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: mailing lists To: Mark Hittinger cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505301315.JAA13127@ns1.win.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 30 May 1995, Mark Hittinger wrote: > It may be worth bagging the mailing lists entirely and going for newsgroups > instead. > > It means you've hit the big time :-) i have just sorted the addresses in hackers to rationalize mail delivery. all addresses in the same domain have been collected together. the order of delivery is now: addresses local to freefall; addresses local to cdrom.com; the rest of the world in ascii sort order. (the sort is based on top level domain, then sub-domain, and so on) this should speed up mailing list processing jmb Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 07:34:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA11320 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 07:34:12 -0700 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA11296 ; Tue, 30 May 1995 07:34:07 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 07:34:07 -0700 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199505301434.HAA11296@freefall.cdrom.com> To: jfieber@cs.smith.edu Subject: Re: mailing lists Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Through the magic of gatewaying, you can still receive the newsgroup through mail as you wish. This is not a good reason not to move to newgroups. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 07:37:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA11596 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 07:37:54 -0700 Received: from dvals1.larc.nasa.gov (dvals1.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.4.96]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA11586 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 07:37:52 -0700 Received: (from branson@localhost) by dvals1.larc.nasa.gov (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA08499; Tue, 30 May 1995 10:37:37 -0400 From: Branson Matheson Message-Id: <199505301437.KAA08499@dvals1.larc.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: mailing lists To: bugs@ns1.win.net (Mark Hittinger) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 10:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505301315.JAA13127@ns1.win.net> from "Mark Hittinger" at May 30, 95 09:15:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 688 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > It may be worth bagging the mailing lists entirely and going for newsgroups > instead. Please don't! some of us dont have time to go thru all the cruft that appears on the news groups. I appreciate the policies and proceedures that we have maintained on content on these mailing lists... It would be a Bad Thing (tm) to get rid of them! -branson -- MATHESON, E BRANSON E.B.MATHESON@LaRC.NASA.GOV Mail Stop 931 COMPUTER SCIENCES CORPORATION NASA Langley Research Center Assigned to Operations Support Division Hampton, VA 23681-0001 Phone +1 804 864-9700 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 08:02:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA15475 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 08:02:46 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA15460 ; Tue, 30 May 1995 08:02:41 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id KAA26698; Tue, 30 May 1995 10:54:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 10:54:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Reply-To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: mailing lists To: Jeffrey Hsu cc: jfieber@cs.smith.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505301434.HAA11296@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 30 May 1995, Jeffrey Hsu wrote: > Through the magic of gatewaying, you can still receive the newsgroup > through mail as you wish. This is not a good reason not to move to > newgroups. from what i remember of the discussion the last time, the objection to newsgroups is the cruft. news seems to invite more content-free postings than mailing lists. a one-way connection (mail2news) would be fine several sites are now gating the mailing lists to news locally. with the new sorting of addresses mail may start flowing faster. especially for those in australia. (domain .au, pity the poor south africans, domain .za). the next is to see how many users are at the various domains and have them distribute the mail locally, rather than having freefall contact 4 different machines in apana.org.au, for instance (sorry guys, you are at the top to the list, so you're easiest to find, and get picked on ;) unfortunately, there just does not appear to be that much overlap in addresses. even an isp like netcom only shows 9 addresses out of the 527 current subscribed to hackers ;( ( 527??? now bad, huh? ;) jmb Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 09:22:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA01781 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 09:22:48 -0700 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA01767 ; Tue, 30 May 1995 09:22:47 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 09:22:47 -0700 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199505301622.JAA01767@freefall.cdrom.com> To: jmb@kryten.atinc.com Subject: Re: mailing lists Cc: hackers Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk especially for those in australia. (domain .au, pity the poor south africans, domain .za). the next is to see how many users are at the various domains and have them distribute the mail locally, rather than having freefall contact 4 different machines in apana.org.au, for instance This is starting to sound like the normal Usenet propagation, except you have to set it up manually. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 09:50:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA11376 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 09:50:43 -0700 Received: from prben002.puritben.com ([146.214.145.202]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA11335 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 09:50:35 -0700 Received: from narnia by prben002.puritben.com (NX5.67c/NX3.0M) id AA10200; Tue, 30 May 95 09:49:32 -0700 Received: from mrtumnus.puritben.com by narnia.puritben.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05653; Tue, 30 May 95 09:49:48 PDT Date: Tue, 30 May 95 09:49:48 PDT From: rlm@narnia.puritben.com (Ronald L. McDaniels) Message-Id: <9505301649.AA05653@narnia.puritben.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mailing lists - need I say more? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Reply To: ron@cts.com mail: 1. notice that my mail flag is up .1 sec 2. double-click icon .1 sec news: 1. Call my Internet Provider 60 sec 2. Login 60 sec 3. invoke news reader 60 sec 4. go to the correct newsgroup 10 sec common: {3,4}. read submission(s) 1-3,000,000 sec :-) Ronald L. McDaniels Independent Computer Consultant & Itinerant UNIX hacker ron@cts.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 10:05:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA16027 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 10:05:17 -0700 Received: from nietzsche (annex1s21.urc.tue.nl [131.155.12.31]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA15986 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 10:05:12 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nietzsche (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA16104 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 15:16:59 +0100 Message-Id: <199505301416.PAA16104@nietzsche> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Eizo monitor specs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 15:16:59 +0100 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, This may not be the most appropriate place to ask, but since there is so much technical knowhow bundled here I'll go ahead anyway. I have had my monitor in repair for over two months now and the repair guy (a friend) says the Eizo distributor does not have the Eizo 9400i monitor diagrams in stock and it will take a while. They couldn't (wouldn't) say how long. So I'm wondering is there a quicker way to get the electrical diagrams for the Eizo 9400i monitor, perhaps via a US contact point? Thanks a lot for any info, Marc. Marc van Kempen wmbfmk@urc.tue.nl He's dead Jim ..., kick him if you don't believe me. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 10:05:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA16132 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 10:05:33 -0700 Received: from nietzsche (annex1s21.urc.tue.nl [131.155.12.31]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA16075 ; Tue, 30 May 1995 10:05:23 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nietzsche (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA16085; Tue, 30 May 1995 15:13:03 +0100 Message-Id: <199505301413.PAA16085@nietzsche> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 2.0.5 ALPHA bugs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 15:13:02 +0100 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, I just took a look at the installation program for 2.0.5 ALPHA and there were several bugs in the help documents and fonts. When choosing the German language, the README does not appear to use the right characters. The accented characters are not displayed right. Furthermore the characters like j y g q don't appear right on my notebook. The bottomparts are duplicated: 'j' * | | | _ / will appear like: * | | | _ / | _ / This did not happen with the 2.0 installation utility. Also when changing language, the language selection window does not disappear after selecting another language. It doesn't do this all the time though. Sometimes it will clear the window, other times not. Regards, Marc. Marc van Kempen wmbfmk@urc.tue.nl He's dead Jim ..., kick him if you don't believe me. Marc van Kempen wmbfmk@urc.tue.nl He's dead Jim ..., kick him if you don't believe me. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 10:12:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA18874 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 10:12:42 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA18834 ; Tue, 30 May 1995 10:12:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Marc van Kempen cc: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.0.5 ALPHA bugs In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 May 95 15:13:02 BST." <199505301413.PAA16085@nietzsche> Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 10:12:36 -0700 Message-ID: <18828.801853956@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > When choosing the German language, the README does not appear to > use the right characters. The accented characters are not displayed > right. Furthermore the characters like j y g q > don't appear right on my notebook. The bottomparts are duplicated: This is actually a bug in that doc file, not sysinstall. If you look at the German usage file, it looks fine. I have a request out to the German translator to fix this and he says he'll do that shortly! > Also when changing language, the language selection window does not > disappear after selecting another language. It doesn't do this all > the time though. Sometimes it will clear the window, other times not. It tends to not do it for Russian, and I've no idea why! I've got screen clearing directives _all over the place_ in the language setting code and dialog() still seems to get very confused. Andrey and I will be working on this, no doubt. Thanks for the feedback! If those were your only problems, I'm actually pretty happy! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 10:59:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA03219 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 10:59:53 -0700 Received: from petrified.cic.net (petrified.cic.net [192.131.22.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA03183 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 10:59:49 -0700 Received: (from altitude@localhost) by petrified.cic.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA02560 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 May 1995 13:59:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199505301759.NAA02560@petrified.cic.net> Subject: bind493BETA17 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 13:59:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Tang X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 334 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi. I've been trying to compile bind 493b17 on freebsd-2.0R. Unfortunately, It fails in herror.c with an error message about parse error before __dead2 (in the /usr/include/unistd.h file.) Can someone tell me what the __dead2 is for? And how to get around this error without removing it from the header file? thanx. ...alex... From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 11:12:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA06375 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 11:12:18 -0700 Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA06360 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 11:12:14 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA00723; Tue, 30 May 1995 13:11:57 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Tue, 30 May 95 13:11 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Tue, 30 May 95 13:11 CDT Message-Id: Subject: Re: Eizo monitor specs To: wmbfmk@urc.tue.nl (Marc van Kempen) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 13:11:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "Lars Fredriksen" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505301416.PAA16104@nietzsche> from "Marc van Kempen" at May 30, 95 03:16:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 839 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Marc van Kempen writes: > > > Hi, > > This may not be the most appropriate place to ask, but since there > is so much technical knowhow bundled here I'll go ahead anyway. > > I have had my monitor in repair for over two months now and the > repair guy (a friend) says the Eizo distributor does not have > the Eizo 9400i monitor diagrams in stock and it will take a while. > They couldn't (wouldn't) say how long. > > So I'm wondering is there a quicker way to get the electrical diagrams > for the Eizo 9400i monitor, perhaps via a US contact point? I think they are called Nanao in the US. Don't know how the model numbers map though. Lars -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Lars Fredriksen fredriks@mcs.com (home) lars@fredriks.pr.mcs.net (home-home) fredriks@asiago.cs.wisc.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 11:24:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA09234 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 11:24:04 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA09223 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 11:24:02 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA10631; Tue, 30 May 95 12:17:14 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9505301817.AA10631@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Problems when adding a 3rd SCSI drive To: pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Mike Pritchard) Date: Tue, 30 May 95 12:17:13 MDT Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505292046.PAA00707@mpp.com> from "Mike Pritchard" at May 29, 95 03:46:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Thanks to everyone who responded to my message. Unfortunately, after trying > for a few hours this morning, I have decided that the Rodime drive (SCSI-I) > and the newer Seagate drive (SCSI-II) cannot live together on the same SCSI > controller. I tried removing everything else except those two drives from > the system, and anytime I touched the Seagate drive, the Rodime would lock > up. In regards to termination, I tried swapping the drives around > and making the Seagate the terminating drive, but no luck either. > I also tried 3 different cables. Nothing would make them work together. > My other Seagate drive which is also SCSI-I has no problem living with > the SCSI-II drive, and the Rodime has no problems when it is running > with the SCSI-I Seagate drive. Jumper sync negotiation off on the SCSI-II Seagate. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 11:25:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA09452 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 11:25:19 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA09418 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 11:25:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA01746 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 12:24:52 -0600 Message-Id: <199505301824.MAA01746@rover.village.org> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mailing lists In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 30 May 1995 10:37:37 EDT Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 12:24:51 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk : Please don't! some of us dont have time to go thru all the cruft that : appears on the news groups. I appreciate the policies and proceedures : that we have maintained on content on these mailing lists... It would : be a Bad Thing (tm) to get rid of them! Agreed. While there is sometimes a bogus thread, that tends to be a self correcting problem. Warner [[ I set my reply-to so that the response should go to chat@freebsd.org ]] From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 11:28:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA10259 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 11:28:36 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA10219 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 11:28:25 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA01775; Tue, 30 May 1995 12:27:17 -0600 Message-Id: <199505301827.MAA01775@rover.village.org> To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: mailing lists Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 30 May 1995 10:54:36 EDT Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 12:27:17 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk : unfortunately, there just does not appear to be that much overlap : in addresses. even an isp like netcom only shows 9 addresses out of the : 527 current subscribed to hackers ;( ( 527??? now bad, huh? ;) Would it make sense to find 10 sites that can handle forwarding 50 messages each to other sites near them? That way freefall gets a break and only has to send 10 messages for each one that comes in (plus, say, the people that are local to freefall). Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 11:43:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA13041 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 11:43:10 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA13021 ; Tue, 30 May 1995 11:43:05 -0700 Message-Id: <199505301843.LAA13021@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) cc: pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Mike Pritchard), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems when adding a 3rd SCSI drive In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 May 95 12:17:13 MDT." <9505301817.AA10631@cs.weber.edu> Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 11:43:05 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> Thanks to everyone who responded to my message. Unfortunately, after trying >> for a few hours this morning, I have decided that the Rodime drive (SCSI-I) >> and the newer Seagate drive (SCSI-II) cannot live together on the same SCSI >> controller. I tried removing everything else except those two drives from >> the system, and anytime I touched the Seagate drive, the Rodime would lock >> up. In regards to termination, I tried swapping the drives around >> and making the Seagate the terminating drive, but no luck either. >> I also tried 3 different cables. Nothing would make them work together. >> My other Seagate drive which is also SCSI-I has no problem living with >> the SCSI-II drive, and the Rodime has no problems when it is running >> with the SCSI-I Seagate drive. > >Jumper sync negotiation off on the SCSI-II Seagate. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@cs.weber.edu If its sync negotiation, just disable it in SCSI-Select on the Adaptec. >--- >Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present >or previous employers. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 12:20:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA20685 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 12:20:05 -0700 Received: from odin.INS.CWRU.Edu (chet@odin.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.102]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA20495 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 12:19:18 -0700 Received: (chet@localhost) by odin.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.10+cwru/CWRU-2.1-ins) id PAA10232; Tue, 30 May 1995 15:02:39 -0400 (from chet) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 15:01:52 -0400 From: Chet Ramey To: arnold@skeeve.atl.ga.us, composer@beyond.dreams.org, friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu, joshua5@cs.bu.edu, dob@inel.gov, mjo@msen.com, jason@servio.slc.com, timbo@ig.co.uk, trost@cse.ogi.edu, zoo@armadillo.com, lubkin@cs.rochester.edu, james@bigtex.cactus.org, dbrooks@ics.com, Greg.Onufer@Eng.Sun.COM, kre@munnari.oz.au, tmwalden@saturn.sys.acc.com, torvalds@cc.helsinki.fi, i.watson@lilly.com, glenn@mathcs.emory.edu, penningt@reason.psc.edu, devet@adv.iaehv.nl, grog@lemis.de, djm@eng.umd.edu, wieting@tweety.llnl.gov, geoffc@research.att.com, de5@ornl.gov, kayvan@satyr.sylvan.com, smd@uunet.ca, asjl@connect.com.au, mark@comp.vuw.ac.nz, david@cs.dal.ca, jwe@che.utexas.edu, Karl.Kleinpaste@GODIVA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU, bammi@cadence.com, sanders@bsdi.com, tramey@boi.hp.com, sandro@elf.com, drich@sgi.com, carson@cs.columbia.edu, dbecker@legato.com, deven@asylum.sf.ca.us, remy@ccs.neu.edu, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, dtm@nsd.3com.com, kjetilho@ifi.uio.no, cam@iinet.com.au, wbader@EECS.Lehigh.Edu, hniksic@neumijko.srce.hr, mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov, jsh@canary.com, gjb@gba.oz.au, andreas@MPA-Garching.MPG.DE, pgf@foxharp.boston.ma.us, peterc@suite.sw.oz.au, brown@eff.org, bothner@cygnus.com, tudor@cs.pub.ro, fox@cac.washington.edu, hag@gnu.ai.mit.edu, root@candle.pha.pa.us, neal@ctd.comsat.com, grw@tamu.edu, schwab@issan.informatik.uni-dortmund.de, haible@ma2s2.mathematik.uni-karlsruhe.de, rfg@segfault.us.com Subject: New version of bash-1.14.5 beta available Reply-To: chet@po.CWRU.Edu Message-ID: <9505301901.AA10216.SM@odin.INS.CWRU.Edu> Read-Receipt-To: chet@po.CWRU.Edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I have updated the bash-1.14.5 beta version available for anonymous ftp from ftp://slc2.ins.cwru.edu/pub/hidden/bash-1.14.5.tar.gz Several bugs, one or two serious, reported with the previous beta have been fixed. I want to get this one tested fairly quickly so I can get it onto the next GNU CD. As always, thanks for your help. -- ``The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.'' - Chaucer Chet Ramey, Case Western Reserve University Internet: chet@po.CWRU.Edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 12:56:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA29331 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 12:56:57 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA29312 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 12:56:54 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA11704; Tue, 30 May 95 13:49:59 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9505301949.AA11704@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as Netware client? -Reply To: bens@jhbs.com.au (Ben Seaman MIS) Date: Tue, 30 May 95 13:49:58 MDT Cc: SUPERVISOR@alb.asctmd.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "Ben Seaman MIS" at May 30, 95 10:00:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > You might have more feedback if you could configure a FreeBSD system > > as a tunnel to tunnel IPX/SPX over a TCP/IP connection to link remote > > networks. Do you have routing support? Unfortunately, I'm not in > > an environment where I can even test it any more. > > We use FreeBSD boxes to do basic IP routing, and we may have a > requirement to route IPX as well. Does the code currently support this? The above quoted portion of my message is a request for clarification on this very issue. 8-). I *believe* routing was supported the last time the IPX code was discussed. Unfortunately, I can't remember for sure and alternet has been screwy for more than a week now, and it's near impossible for me to verify one way or the other without a reliable net connect to one of the places I archive crap. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 13:20:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA05837 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 13:20:41 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA05823 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 13:20:38 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA11864; Tue, 30 May 95 14:13:54 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9505302013.AA11864@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: mailing lists To: bugs@ns1.win.net (Mark Hittinger) Date: Tue, 30 May 95 14:13:53 MDT Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505301315.JAA13127@ns1.win.net> from "Mark Hittinger" at May 30, 95 09:15:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > It may be worth bagging the mailing lists entirely and going for newsgroups > instead. > > It means you've hit the big time :-) On that note, let me suggest some future discussion subjects that are bound to come up on a newsgrouped list: o Which is Better, Linux or FreeBSD? o Why don't FreeBSD and NetBSD Just Merge? o Why Not Distribute FreeBSD Under GPL? o Why Don't You All Work on Linux Instead? o Porno Search Results: 12 Topics Found! o Forgive My Dribblings, But You Should All Buy 386BSD 2.0 With all due respect, we started on news groups and moved to lists for the signal-to-noise ratio. I think the arguments still apply. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 13:38:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA10904 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 13:38:04 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA10861 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 13:37:58 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA11943; Tue, 30 May 95 14:30:47 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9505302030.AA11943@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: mailing lists To: jmb@kryten.atinc.com Date: Tue, 30 May 95 14:30:46 MDT Cc: hsu@freefall.cdrom.com, jfieber@cs.smith.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at May 30, 95 10:54:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > with the new sorting of addresses mail may start flowing faster. > especially for those in australia. (domain .au, pity the poor south > africans, domain .za). the next is to see how many users are at the > various domains and have them distribute the mail locally, rather than > having freefall contact 4 different machines in apana.org.au, for instance > (sorry guys, you are at the top to the list, so you're easiest to find, > and get picked on ;) > > unfortunately, there just does not appear to be that much overlap > in addresses. even an isp like netcom only shows 9 addresses out of the > 527 current subscribed to hackers ;( ( 527??? now bad, huh? ;) We need regional subscription and exploders, actually. One exploder per country would help greatly: From regional subscribers | V global-hackers | | To other central sites 'lcl' <---------------' | | V >From other central sites 'global' ------------> lcl-hackers | V To regional subscribers That way, if an international link goes down, there's one delay, instead of one per subscriber in that country. It also reduces the amount of international traffic that must be transported over *high cost* links. Multiple regions in the US _could_ be a good idea, but issues of route balancing, etc. are pretty bizarre (could be done, though). Subscription requests could be forwarded from the central location to regional exploders without problems (subscribe request from .za? forward it as a subscribe request to the .za regional exploder). It might even be desirable to have the ability to place distribution restrictions by region to allow native-language exchanges (though probably not unless the questions list is to be handled locally). On the other hand, Linux currently runs a private newsgroup heirarchy for their lists (instead of mailing them) and it's possible that that would be a better soloution at this level of complexity. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 14:29:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA28147 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 14:29:12 -0700 Received: from inetgwy.asctmd.com (inetgwy.asctmd.com [198.59.170.33]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA28097 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 14:29:06 -0700 From: SUPERVISOR@alb.asctmd.com Received: from alb.asctmd.com (alb.asctmd.com [198.59.170.34]) by inetgwy.asctmd.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA16615 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 16:41:19 -0600 Received: from ALBUQUERQUE-Message_Server by alb.asctmd.com with WordPerfect_Office; Tue, 30 May 1995 15:36:28 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: WordPerfect Office 4.0 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 15:32:47 -0700 To: terry@cs.weber.edu, bens@jhbs.com.au Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD as Netware client? -Reply -Reply Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > You might have more feedback if you could configure a FreeBSD system > > as a tunnel to tunnel IPX/SPX over a TCP/IP connection to link remote > > networks. Do you have routing support? Unfortunately, I'm not in > > an environment where I can even test it any more. > > We use FreeBSD boxes to do basic IP routing, and we may have a > requirement to route IPX as well. Does the code currently support this? The above quoted portion of my message is a request for clarification on this very issue. 8-). I *believe* routing was supported the last time the IPX code was discussed. Unfortunately, I can't remember for sure and alternet has been screwy for more than a week now, and it's near impossible for me to verify one way or the other without a reliable net connect to one of the places I archive crap. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< If I remember correctly, the netipx code will route IPX packets between two ethernet interfaces. I don't believe that the PPP driver was modified support routing of IPX packets. I believe that the interfaces are configured to route when more than a single IPX has been assigned with ifconfig. I also believe that the program IPXrouted requires a little work to be more sophisticated. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 15:19:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA15594 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 15:19:23 -0700 Received: from cs.pdx.edu (root@cs.pdx.edu [131.252.20.183]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA15574 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 15:19:22 -0700 Received: from sirius.cs.pdx.edu (root@sirius.cs.pdx.edu [131.252.20.199]) by cs.pdx.edu (8.6.10/CATastrophe-12/23/94-P) with ESMTP id OAA18161; Tue, 30 May 1995 14:57:55 -0700 for Received: from localhost (jrb@localhost.cs.pdx.edu [127.0.0.1]) by sirius.cs.pdx.edu (8.6.10/CATastrophe-9/18/94-C) with ESMTP id OAA10004; Tue, 30 May 1995 14:56:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199505302156.OAA10004@sirius.cs.pdx.edu> To: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: vat In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 29 May 1995 13:40:42 PDT." <199505292040.NAA16540@netcom14.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 14:56:19 -0700 From: James Binkley Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >From his posting: > > > We have a PAS-16 on order (the one card we know of that does > full duplex audio) and hope to work on full-duplex linux audio > support whenever it shows up. That's probably at least a > month away. > >---- >The PAS-16 are problematic and in some motherboards it generates >a horrible noise . The work around is to defined in the linux >sound driver "BROKEN_BUS_CLOCK". They are other quality issues >with the PAS-16. > >They are well aware that the GUSes support dual dma in fact Steve Mcanne >forwards people to me so I can give them the code. Aren't the PAS more or less history at this point? I thought they were hard to get, and weren't necessarily even being built now? Just 2nd-hard scuttlebutt but I would guess that life in the "soundcard" lane on the pcs is a hard way to make money, especially when you are competing with "creative logic" (very creative in the way they (ab)use IRQ 7). :-> Jim Binkley jrb@cs.pdx.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 15:28:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA18093 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 15:28:44 -0700 Received: from devnull (devnull.mpd.tandem.com [131.124.4.29]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA18066 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 15:28:39 -0700 Received: from olympus by devnull (8.6.8/8.6.6) id RAA10486; Tue, 30 May 1995 17:28:26 -0500 Received: by olympus (4.1/TSS2.1) id AA25014; Tue, 30 May 95 17:28:33 CDT From: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner) Message-Id: <9505302228.AA25014@olympus> Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: To: agl@mac.glas.apc.org (Anthony Graphics) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 17:28:31 -0500 (CDT) Cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Anthony Graphics" at May 29, 95 11:36:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 5798 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > On Sun, 28 May 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > I think I matched your problem to another person. But do realize > > scsi bus termination errors are the #1 cause for failure so I will > > always remind people right from the start to check this. Even after > > doing that I have found my self on site to repair a ``broken'' system, > > only to find what I told them on the phone to check the did not and > > infact had an incorrectly terminated bus. > > > > There are still 2 places for you to have an error in your scsi termination > > even with this simple set up. Are the terminators enabled and powered up > > on the NCR controller, and on the Quantum Lightning drive. > > > Ok, ASUS SP3G always comes with NCR termination enabled. > As for Quantum lightning, there are two physical units representing > terminators and they are in place. > Anyway, kernel -c > disable wt0 > disable mcd0 > disable mcd1 I took these out of my config and I boot fine. > helped (well mcd0 and mcd1 was on irq 10 and 11 and these ones > are configured for pci Slots 1 & 2 on asus, I have no idea how > pci bus works, but when I was installing Mach32 into the slot 1 > on the very same board in the machine running linux I had > a conflict with AGUS which was using the very same irq. > I wonder whether the problem was IRQ conflict or mcd autoprobing) > > > Just because a scsi bus works on one controller does not make it right, > > the termination could have been enabled on the 1542 and disabeld on > > the NCR for example. > > > Sure thing, but it's enabled in my case. Ditto. > > > > I booted 2.0-RELEASE ok, but then I was unable to recompile 0412 > > > under it (gcc-2.6.3 with -O0 was giving various signals trapped: > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > Please don't try to fuss with compiler options when building the kernel, > > It can cause problems, we compile the way we set things up because that > > is what we know to work. You put more variables into the equations when > > you do this type of stuff!! > > > Ok, I run 'config MYSYSTEMNAME' again and tried to compile: > cc1 still boiling out with error 'exited on signal 11(sometimes other random > signal, often 10)) I don't have problems with sig 10's or 11's but then I am running current. > > Well, somebody pointed out optimization code is broken in 2.6.3 > so I tried to simplify freebsd-hacker's life (and can't compile 2.6.2 > because I have only one FreeBSD box at the site :-( ) > Anyway, 2.6.3 seemed to come with 940412 if my memory serves > me and I don't keep 2.6.3 sources here, and 2.6.3 used to compile > MYSYSTEMNAME before I switched to the machine with the ASUS SP3G board... > > One thing to mention: I have compiled and installed gnu make into > /usr/local/bin/make and /usr/local/bin precedes /usr/bin in my path, > so I cd /sys/compile/MYSYSTEMNAME > and /usr/bin/make > it have nothing to do with problems with unexpected signal trapped by cc1 > I suppose? > > > > most often it was 11 sometimes 10 rarely 5) > > > Well, rerunning /usr/bin/make was helpful with times but I've > > > gotr stuck with vfs_func.c or something like that: no matter > > > how much I've re running make: signal 11 trapped. > > > Well I'm running the 0412-SNAP distribution, still under 0322 > > > I have _the same problem_ as in the 0412 :-( > > > And I can't roll back to 2.0-RELEASE because kvm_make or something like > > > this coredumps (what is probably what should be expected but I was surprised > > > ;-) > > > So, the kernel hangs on the ncr detection :-( Yeah, I found the exact point once. My box isn't connected at the moment so I can't point it out. It is in the interrupt code, though. > > > Now after successfully booting 0412SNAP kvm_mkdb still causes this printing > appearing on the console: > > May 29 11:24:11 relay /kernel: pid 209: kvm_mkdb: uid 0: exited on signal 10 > Bus error (core dumped) > > > That was the exact sympton Boyd had, see my other email, on his system. > > I wish you had said up front you where using the on board NCR 810 of > > an ASUS PCI/I-486SP3G, it would have tripped my memory sooner that I > > had been here before. > > > I'm sorry: never knew which part would be essential for the > trouble report. > Thanx! > Partially succeeded: 0412 boots at least. Strange: the system > I used before was some VLB of unknown origin with SIMMS of unknown > origin and it worked, now when I assembled the machine from parts > supplied by the well known producers it ain't working ;-) > Ok here what it is: > super tower case with 2 fans and 400 Watt PSU (nearly empty) Big tower with less wattage. > ASUS SP3G with 256k cache (that came with the board) and Intel-100Mhz DX4 > (to tell you truth we 've purchased Intel 100Mhz just to minimize > dip switching on the ASUS ;-) Ditto but AMD 486 DX 40 Mhz running at 33Mhz > two 16MB NEC SIMMS (with parity sure thing) Two 8 meg simms Rod sold me. > Then came SMC Ultra 8013TPC > and Cirrus Logic (some ISA model) SVGA board. Asus PCI Video, yanked, no difference. > AST4 board & Cronyx. > Well all four ISA slots are occupied and no PCI slots are occupied SMC 8013. Yanked, no difference. Gravis UlraMAX. Yanked, no difference. I got it to work once but not sure what I did. I should yank the board out and populate it slowly. Now really eager to do it though. > > AGL > > > > -- > > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > > Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD > > > At least I'm not crazy. Thanks. -- _______________________________________________________________________ Boyd Faulkner faulkner@isd.tandem.com _______________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 15:41:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA21735 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 15:41:13 -0700 Received: from jolt.eng.umd.edu (jolt.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA21715 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 15:41:08 -0700 Received: from cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (cappuccino.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.14]) by jolt.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA05688; Tue, 30 May 1995 18:40:41 -0400 Received: (chuckr@localhost) by cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id SAA08289; Tue, 30 May 1995 18:40:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 18:40:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: Mark Hittinger , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mailing lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 30 May 1995, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > On Tue, 30 May 1995, Mark Hittinger wrote: > > > It may be worth bagging the mailing lists entirely and going for newsgroups > > instead. > > > > It means you've hit the big time :-) > > i have just sorted the addresses in hackers to rationalize mail > delivery. all addresses in the same domain have been collected together. > the order of delivery is now: addresses local to freefall; addresses > local to cdrom.com; the rest of the world in ascii sort order. (the > sort is based on top level domain, then sub-domain, and so on) > > this should speed up mailing list processing Good work. I, for one, would not like to see the mail list go, becuase the noise level on the usenet newsgroups is way too high. Too many folks just interested in flame wars over stupid topics. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 7608 Topton St. | New Carrollton, MD 20784 | I run Journey2 (Freebsd 2.0) and n3lxx (301) 459-2316 | (FreeBSD 1.1.5.1) and am I happy! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 15:47:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA23569 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 15:47:53 -0700 Received: from devnull (devnull.mpd.tandem.com [131.124.4.29]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA23546 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 15:47:47 -0700 Received: from olympus by devnull (8.6.8/8.6.6) id RAA11753; Tue, 30 May 1995 17:47:35 -0500 Received: by olympus (4.1/TSS2.1) id AA25386; Tue, 30 May 95 17:47:44 CDT From: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner) Message-Id: <9505302247.AA25386@olympus> Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: To: agl@mac.glas.apc.org (Anthony Graphics) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 17:47:43 -0500 (CDT) Cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Anthony Graphics" at May 30, 95 05:11:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3324 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > On Tue, 30 May 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > The problem was processor for sure. I've replaced it with another > one from the production machine and everything then compiled flawlessly > (the processor was stepping 0 however also) > AGL But does it still fail on boot if wt0, mcd0 ans mcd1 are enabled? Boyd > > Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 02:35:02 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Rodney W. Grimes > > To: Anthony Graphics > > Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org > > Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: > > > > > > > > tOn Tue, 30 May 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > > > Can you please send me ALL of the markings on both the top and > > > > the bottom of the chip. I have an open incident number with Intel > > > > on this and need that information to add to the report. If possible > > > > get your hands on a stepping 1 CPU and see if the problem just goes > > > > away. > > > > > > > Top markings: > > > Intel(r) > > > IntelDX4 tm > > > iCOMP tm index=435 > > > > > > A80486DX4-100 > > > | C405053W > > > | &E 3VOLT SX900 > > > | INTEL (M)(C)'89'93 > > > > > > Marks on the Bottom (on the pin's grid side): > > > A4212608CA > > > White label: WARRANTY VOID IF TORN > > > > Well then, go get it replace under WARRANTY :-) :-) :-) > > > > > 13080595 > > > > > > Don't know what's under the label: and I checked it twice, > > > so the possibility of mistake here is minimal. > > > > Okay, thanks, I will call Intel in the morning and add it to my > > current incident report. > > > > > AGL > > > > I need *ALL* the numbers, both top and bottom. If there is a white > > > > tag on the bottom of the CPU that says warranty void if removed do > > > > not remove it. If you have a warranty on the CPU chip take it back > > > > and get a stepping 1 CPU from who ever you got it from. > > > > > > Ok, I have another DX100 in the production machine under Linux, will have > > > to wait until the non-pick hours to check the stepping of it > > > (/proc/cpuinfo in linux ain't reporting stepping) Btw can you tell me > > > what's stepping (I have in turn to explain to our suppliers I suspect). Is > > > it something like release? > > > > It is something like a release, there are stepping numbers and mask > > revisions. The stepping number gives you a rought idea of what revision > > the chip is at, kinda like knowing it is 2.0 but not if it is 2.0.1 or > > 2.0.2 or 2.0.3, with that SX900 number I can look up in a table and > > find out exactly what mask revision it is (kinda like knowing it is > > infact exactly 2.0.3). Intel needs this for the incident report since > > the problem may be with only one mask revision. > > > > They also need the other gunk to figure out what fab it was built > > in (this is the number under that white tag since I don't see a fab > > plant id in the ones you gave me (most of them say ``MALAY''). > > > > > > -- > > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > > Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD > > > -- _______________________________________________________________________ Boyd Faulkner faulkner@isd.tandem.com _______________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 15:56:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA26395 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 15:56:10 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA26365 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 15:56:07 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <192>; Tue, 30 May 1995 16:12:07 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 16:11:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: SUPERVISOR@alb.asctmd.com cc: terry@cs.weber.edu, bens@jhbs.com.au, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD as Netware client? -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 30 May 1995 SUPERVISOR@alb.asctmd.com wrote: > If I remember correctly, the netipx code will route IPX packets between > two ethernet interfaces. I don't believe that the PPP driver was modified > support routing of IPX packets. I believe that the interfaces are > configured to route when more than a single IPX has been assigned with > ifconfig. I also believe that the program IPXrouted requires a little work to > be more sophisticated. Are there any docs on IPX available somewhere? Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 16:02:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA29004 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 16:02:34 -0700 Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (hasty@netcom14.netcom.com [192.100.81.126]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA28983 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 16:02:30 -0700 Received: by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA09948; Tue, 30 May 1995 16:01:31 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 16:01:31 -0700 From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) Message-Id: <199505302301.QAA09948@netcom14.netcom.com> To: hasty@netcom.com, jrb@cs.pdx.edu Subject: Re: vat Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >Aren't the PAS more or less history at this point? I thought Oh, the company file for chapter 11 or something to that effect at one point their stock was worth pennies. Since then, they are trying to make a come back .... Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 16:24:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA07699 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 16:24:31 -0700 Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [204.215.209.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA07681 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 16:24:29 -0700 Received: (from bugs@localhost) by ns1.win.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA07953 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 May 1995 19:26:35 -0400 From: Mark Hittinger Message-Id: <199505302326.TAA07953@ns1.win.net> Subject: Re: mailing lists (fwd) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 19:26:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 950 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Terry writes: > > We need regional subscription and exploders, actually. One exploder per > country would help greatly: > I think this is probably the way to go. We need to start considering how to deal with things when the list size gets 5 to 10 times larger than the current list sizes. I belive 2.0.5 will be very a big boost in this process. I am getting a substantially increasing rate of questions from linux people that are "trying" freebsd for the first time. They load it and are quick converts. Are *we* ready to deal with *that*? (yikes) The core team is doing a great job, and the handling of communications is going to get harder real soon. I hadn't though of the problems inherent in propogating news overseas. Another idea is to have some "sup" directories containing archives of the traffic. Say /usr/mail/hackers/may95.archive, ect. It would be nice to be able to grep it all. Regards, Mark Hittinger bugs@win.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 16:38:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA12641 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 16:38:13 -0700 Received: from physics.su.oz.au (dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA12583 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 16:38:04 -0700 Received: by physics.su.oz.au id AA03928 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for hackers@freebsd.org); Wed, 31 May 1995 09:37:08 +1000 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199505302337.AA03928@physics.su.oz.au> Subject: Re: mailing lists To: jmb@kryten.atinc.com Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 09:37:07 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at May 30, 95 10:54:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1119 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > with the new sorting of addresses mail may start flowing faster. >especially for those in australia. (domain .au, pity the poor south >africans, domain .za). the next is to see how many users are at the >various domains and have them distribute the mail locally, rather than >having freefall contact 4 different machines in apana.org.au, for instance >(sorry guys, you are at the top to the list, so you're easiest to find, >and get picked on ;) I've noticed for a while now that the mail I receive from hackers comes via munnari.oz.au rather than directly from freefall. When I looked into this, I found that mail I sent to myself from freefall (both to here and to a few other domains in .au) also came via munnari. I'd assumed that this was setup to allow all mailing list traffic to .au to go from one connection from freefall. Was this intentional? Do others in .au see this? We certainly don't have an MX pointing to that site. The down side of this from my point of view is that munnari.oz.au often has a long mail queue, and it isn't unusual for the mail to be delayed and out of order. David From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 16:40:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA13604 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 16:40:46 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA13578 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 16:40:43 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id TAA10195; Tue, 30 May 1995 19:32:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 19:32:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: mailing lists (fwd) To: Mark Hittinger cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505302326.TAA07953@ns1.win.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 30 May 1995, Mark Hittinger wrote: > Another idea is to have some "sup" directories containing archives of > the traffic. Say /usr/mail/hackers/may95.archive, ect. It would be > nice to be able to grep it all. we have searchable mail archives take a look at http://www.freebsd/org/How/mail-archive.html. try out 'erase pencil mark' ;) jmb Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 17:06:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA20847 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 17:06:25 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA20825 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 17:06:19 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id TAA10918; Tue, 30 May 1995 19:57:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 19:57:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Reply-To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: mailing lists To: David Dawes cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199505302337.AA03928@physics.su.oz.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 May 1995, David Dawes wrote: > I've noticed for a while now that the mail I receive from hackers comes > via munnari.oz.au rather than directly from freefall. When I looked > into this, I found that mail I sent to myself from freefall (both to > here and to a few other domains in .au) also came via munnari. I'd > assumed that this was setup to allow all mailing list traffic to > .au to go from one connection from freefall. Was this intentional? Do > others in .au see this? We certainly don't have an MX pointing to that > site. The down side of this from my point of view is that > munnari.oz.au often has a long mail queue, and it isn't unusual for the strange the mail logs on freefall show: May 25 05:48:13 freefall sendmail[22630]: FAA22624: to=David Dawes , delay=00:32:12, mailer=smtp, relay=physics.su.oz.au. [129.78.129.1], stat=Sent (Ok) May 25 17:40:36 freefall sendmail[24835]: RAA24788: from=, size=627, class=0, pri=30627, nrcpts=1, msgid=<199505260039.AA16549@physics.su.oz.au>, proto=SMTP, relay=dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1] May 24 20:11:13 freefall sendmail[9661]: UAA09649: from=, size=269, class=0, pri=30269, nrcpts=1, msgid=<199505250307.AA12320@physics.su.oz.au>, proto=SMTP, relay=dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1] May 25 01:09:20 freefall sendmail[17911]: AAA17909: to=David Dawes , delay=00:33:39, mailer=smtp, relay=physics.su.oz.au. [129.78.129.1], stat=Sent (Ok) May 23 18:55:37 freefall sendmail[24270]: SAA24254: to=David Dawes , delay=00:24:32, mailer=smtp, relay=physics.su.oz.au. [129.78.129.1], stat=Sent (Ok) nothing before that in the logs or after may 25th perhaps the situation has changed. dont know. i'll check the logs on this mail as well. jmb Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 17:16:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA22455 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 17:16:15 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA22443 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 17:16:12 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA16413 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Tue, 30 May 1995 19:06:17 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA25448; 30 May 95 19:05:38 CDT (Tue) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA25445; Tue, 30 May 1995 19:05:37 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199505310005.TAA25445@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: mailing lists To: bugs@ns1.win.net (Mark Hittinger) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 19:05:37 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505301315.JAA13127@ns1.win.net> from "Mark Hittinger" at May 30, 95 09:15:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 144 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > It may be worth bagging the mailing lists entirely and going for newsgroups > instead. Newsgroups are not a replacement for mailing lists. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 17:17:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA22583 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 17:17:06 -0700 Received: from victor.innovus.com (victor.innovus.com [192.75.186.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA22571 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 17:17:01 -0700 Received: (from martin@localhost) by victor.innovus.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA27048; Tue, 30 May 1995 20:29:30 -0400 From: Martin Renters Message-Id: <199505310029.UAA27048@victor.innovus.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as Netware client? -Reply -Reply To: SUPERVISOR@alb.asctmd.com Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 20:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "SUPERVISOR@alb.asctmd.com" at May 30, 95 03:32:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 489 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > If I remember correctly, the netipx code will route IPX packets between > two ethernet interfaces. I don't believe that the PPP driver was modified > support routing of IPX packets. I believe that the interfaces are > configured to route when more than a single IPX has been assigned with > ifconfig. I also believe that the program IPXrouted requires a little work to > be more sophisticated. Where is the latest netipx code anyway and is anyone still actively working on it? Martin From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 17:36:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA25752 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 17:36:57 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA25716 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 17:36:46 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA30243; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:30:27 +1000 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 10:30:27 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199505310030.KAA30243@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: altitude@umich.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bind493BETA17 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >I've been trying to compile bind 493b17 on freebsd-2.0R. >Unfortunately, It fails in herror.c with an error message about parse >error before __dead2 (in the /usr/include/unistd.h file.) >Can someone tell me what the __dead2 is for? And how to get around this >error without removing it from the header file? __dead2 says that the function doesn't return. It is defined in . The application apparently provides its own wrong . Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 17:46:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA27708 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 17:46:48 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA27695 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 17:46:47 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id RAA21178 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 May 1995 17:46:46 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199505310046.RAA21178@ref.tfs.com> Subject: [On the new Install] To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 17:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2545 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Ok, I've tried out the new install first impression: not bad at all. things that didn't appear obvious, etc.: when slicing and dicing^H^H^H^H^H^H^H partitionning, there was no comforting little "Commit this to disk NOW" option on any of the menues.. I'm still not totally sure when the new disklabel and mbr are written to disk, but assume it's later... if so it should be written somewhere that this is the case.. (on each screen affected.. e.g. "These changes will only be written to disk when you select to proceed with the install (and answer the "really mean it" question." When selecting 'Geometry' (G) it would be nice if the 3 fields were individually enterable, in such a way that total records was a multple of the 3, and setting heads and sectors would set the correct 'cyls' for the correct total size, and then over-riding that cyls would produce a corrected 'total sectors'. working ut how mant tracks you have is a pain when switching geometries, and a likely point of human error.. Many screens (e.g. setting up netowrk stuff and intallation type) have simply EXIT and QUIT as their two bottom entries, yet you can't get to EXIT.. it you hit return when EXIT appears selected, you instead select one of the entries above it.. using upand down arrow will not go to the EXIT entry. This leaves the user in some doubt as to whether his selection has been accepted, as the only way to get out of the screen is through QUIT which intuitively suggests (to me at least) abandonning any changed fields. (example of above.... the X11 selection sreens need an 'accept' entry, EXIT doesn't work...) but quit seems to select what you want. (it's all a little confusing) There is no way to get those last N blocks (not a whole 'cylinder') into a slice (particularly the BSD slice, at least not without doing mental arithmetic.. (once again prone to pilot error)). there is no comment that the VT4 shell is CHROOT'ed to the hd.. this should be made plain... it toke me about 5 minutes to figure out why I couldn't get to /mnt when I could see it in 'mount' :) We know all the names for various SLICE types so why not print them... I have the impression that I may have had a hard time if I'd wanted to do something a little less normal. I still couldn't directly edit fdisk of disklabel entries which is something I think is important for non-standard installs.. I also didn't see how one could do a 'partial re-install' if one had a partly corrupted FS, and wanted to just download again, without newfsing everything... julian From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 17:55:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA28656 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 17:55:00 -0700 Received: from physics.su.oz.au (dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA28623 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 17:54:53 -0700 Received: by physics.su.oz.au id AA07042 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for hackers@freebsd.org); Wed, 31 May 1995 10:54:22 +1000 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199505310054.AA07042@physics.su.oz.au> Subject: Re: mailing lists To: jmb@kryten.atinc.com Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 10:54:17 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at May 30, 95 07:57:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1562 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >On Wed, 31 May 1995, David Dawes wrote: > >> I've noticed for a while now that the mail I receive from hackers comes >> via munnari.oz.au rather than directly from freefall. When I looked >> into this, I found that mail I sent to myself from freefall (both to >> here and to a few other domains in .au) also came via munnari. I'd >> assumed that this was setup to allow all mailing list traffic to >> .au to go from one connection from freefall. Was this intentional? Do >> others in .au see this? We certainly don't have an MX pointing to that >> site. The down side of this from my point of view is that >> munnari.oz.au often has a long mail queue, and it isn't unusual for the > >strange the mail logs on freefall show: > >May 25 05:48:13 freefall sendmail[22630]: FAA22624: to=David Dawes >, delay=00:32:12, mailer=smtp, >relay=physics.su.oz.au. [129.78.129.1], stat=Sent (Ok) >May 25 17:40:36 freefall sendmail[24835]: RAA24788: >from=, size=627, class=0, pri=30627, nrcpts=1, >msgid=<199505260039.AA16549@physics.su.oz.au>, proto=SMTP, >relay=dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1] It looks like it is back to delivering directly. I must admit that I haven't checked this for a little while, but there was a long period where the mail was not coming directly. I've just looked back though some of the mail I've kept from this list, and it looks like it stopped using the indirect route after 8 April. It had been using the indirect route for at least a few months prior to that. David From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 18:27:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA06554 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 18:27:28 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA02572 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 18:16:16 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id SAA21296; Tue, 30 May 1995 18:16:15 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199505310116.SAA21296@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: [On the new Install] To: julian@ref.tfs.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 18:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505310046.RAA21178@ref.tfs.com> from "Julian Elischer" at May 30, 95 05:46:45 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1048 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > first impression: not bad at all. Thanks. > There is no way to get those last N blocks (not a whole 'cylinder') > into a slice (particularly the BSD slice, at least not without > doing mental arithmetic.. (once again prone to pilot error)). And you shoulnd't be able to, because next time we will get a wrong geometry guess if that is your only slice. > I have the impression that I may have had a hard time > if I'd wanted to do something a little less normal. > I still couldn't directly edit fdisk of disklabel entries which > is something I think is important for non-standard > installs.. I also didn't > see how one could do a 'partial re-install' > if one had a partly corrupted FS, and wanted to just download again, > without newfsing everything... There is a willdfully undocumented prototype "W"izard command on both the label and partition screens. -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 18:56:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA15373 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 18:56:15 -0700 Received: from fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp (fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp [164.71.1.133]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA15276 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 18:55:46 -0700 Received: from fdmmail.fujitsu.co.jp by fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W5-MX941209-Fujitsu Mail Gateway) id KAA00261; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:55:31 +0900 Received: from fdm.fujitsu.co.jp by fdmmail.fujitsu.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W5-MX950127-Fujitsu Domain Mail Master) id KAA18532; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:20:08 +0900 Received: from sysrap by fdm.fujitsu.co.jp (5.65/6.4J.6) id AA14267; Wed, 31 May 95 10:20:08 +0900 Received: from seki.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp by spad.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sGcZ5-0001SdC; Wed, 31 May 95 10:27 JST Date: Wed, 31 May 95 10:15:03 JST From: Masahiro SEKIGUCHI Message-Id: <9505310115.AA11607@seki.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RELNOTES, 2.0.5 ALPHA, on fe driver Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In RELNOTES of 2.0.5 ALPHA, "2.2 Ethernet cards", the Ethernet interface supported by fe driver is explained as "Fujitsu MB86960A family of NICs." # Thank you core team for integrating it in official distribution. It is technically correct, but I'd like to suggest to use the names of the cards, just like other drivers. For example, ed-driver-supported interfaces are listed as "SMC Elite ..., Novell NE1000, NE2000, ..." instead of "National Semiconductor DS8390." I enclosed a proposed patch to the RELNOTES. One more (digressive?) comments on the same part of RELNOTES. The title of the section reads "Ethernet cards", but it lists an FDDI card! How abount change it as "Ethernet (and other network) cards"? Thanks, --- cut here ------ cut here ------ cut here ------ cut here --- *** RELNOTES.old Wed May 31 08:54:46 1995 --- RELNOTES Wed May 31 08:57:56 1995 *************** *** 494,499 **** --- 494,501 ---- 2.2. Ethernet cards + Allied-Telesis AT1700 and RE2000 cards + SMC Elite 16 WD8013 ethernet interface, and most other WD8003E, WD8003EBT, WD8003W, WD8013W, WD8003S, WD8003SBT and WD8013EBT based clones. SMC Elite Ultra is also supported. *************** *** 503,509 **** DEC DC21140 based NICs (SMC???? DE???) DEC FDDI (DEFPA/DEFEA) NICs ! Fujitsu MB86960A family of NICs Intel EtherExpress --- 505,511 ---- DEC DC21140 based NICs (SMC???? DE???) DEC FDDI (DEFPA/DEFEA) NICs ! Fujitsu FMV-181 and FMV-182 Intel EtherExpress --- cut here ------ cut here ------ cut here ------ cut here --- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 19:31:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA20642 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 19:31:26 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA20628 ; Tue, 30 May 1995 19:31:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Julian Elischer cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [On the new Install] In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 May 95 17:46:45 PDT." <199505310046.RAA21178@ref.tfs.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 19:31:21 -0700 Message-ID: <20621.801887481@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > things that didn't appear obvious, etc.: > when slicing and dicing^H^H^H^H^H^H^H partitionning, > there was no comforting little "Commit this to disk NOW" option > on any of the menues.. Well, you can `(U)ndo' at any time, so it seemed a little pointless to put the "point of no return button" there. You _are_ asked the Big Question later, when you go to actually write the whole mess out with the (I)nstall menu item. Would you prefer I call it (W)rite? I can and did at one point, but it just didn't quite look right. > I'm still not totally sure when the new disklabel and mbr are written > to disk, but assume it's later... if so it should be written > somewhere that this is the case.. It says in pretty bold letters "We are about to write all over your disk - last chance, etc etc.." Perhaps you didn't read that dialog? :-) > When selecting 'Geometry' (G) > it would be nice if the 3 fields were individually enterable, > in such a way that total records was a multple of the 3, Hmm.. This assumes that I have the correct total size.. :-) Not to be uncooperative, but I think I'm going to leave this one the way it is. It's not THAT hard to use, and anything else would be a lot more arcane for me to write. > Many screens (e.g. setting up netowrk stuff and intallation type) > have simply EXIT and QUIT as their two bottom > entries, yet you can't get to Huh?? You mean OK and Cancel, right? > This leaves the user in some doubt as to whether his selection has > been accepted, as the only way to get out of the screen is through QUIT > which intuitively suggests (to me at least) abandonning any changed Uhh.. On every menu where "looping" like this occurs (generally for good reason) it does say "select Cancel" when done. I don't really see how I can make it mny plainer than that! :-) Are we talking about the same installation here? :-) > There is no way to get those last N blocks (not a whole 'cylinder') > into a slice (particularly the BSD slice, at least not without > doing mental arithmetic.. (once again prone to pilot error)). The cylinder rounding is done in libdisk and was generally felt to be a good thing. Perhaps we can make it optional, with a knob someplace. > there is no comment that the VT4 shell is CHROOT'ed to the hd.. > this should be made plain... it toke me about 5 minutes > to figure out why I couldn't get to /mnt when I could see it in 'mount' Heck, the VT4 isn't even _documented_.. :-) It's really meant to be a special "wizard" feature only. > We know all the names for various SLICE types so why not print them... Excuse me? All the ones we know, we print. > if I'd wanted to do something a little less normal. > I still couldn't directly edit fdisk of disklabel entries which > is something I think is important for non-standard > installs.. I also didn't How do you suggest that work? It's difficult for me to react to this when I'm not esactly sure what you have in mind.. :) > see how one could do a 'partial re-install' > if one had a partly corrupted FS, and wanted to just download again, > without newfsing everything... > No problem. Just (M)ount the entries rather than creating them. When the partition and label editors are doc'd, this will be explained in more detail. Thanks for the feedback! You're the first who's really said anything, aside from Poul who doesn't count since he helped me write all of this! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 20:29:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA00756 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 20:29:56 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA00744 ; Tue, 30 May 1995 20:29:54 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id UAA21742; Tue, 30 May 1995 20:29:52 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199505310329.UAA21742@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: [On the new Install] To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 20:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20621.801887481@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at May 30, 95 07:31:21 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 4087 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > I'm still not totally sure when the new disklabel and mbr are written > > to disk, but assume it's later... if so it should be written > > somewhere that this is the case.. yes but you don't know that until you GET there.. meanwhile, two screens before, you're worrying if what you are doing is writing or not.. I'd more want a message saying "This is not being written yet.. it's safe to play with this screen" or something.. see, YOU know that it's not written later, but the first time user is sitting there sweating blood for no reason..... > > > it would be nice if the 3 fields were individually enterable, > > in such a way that total records was a multple of the 3, > > Hmm.. This assumes that I have the correct total size.. :-) > > Not to be uncooperative, but I think I'm going to leave this one the > way it is. It's not THAT hard to use, and anything else would be > a lot more arcane for me to write. I think you are wrong.. it assumes you have EITHER the correct size or correct number of cylinders.. for IDE and SCSI, you DO have the correcdt size anyhow.. > > > Many screens (e.g. setting up netowrk stuff and intallation type) > > have simply EXIT and QUIT as their two bottom > > entries, yet you can't get to > > Huh?? You mean OK and Cancel, right? (whatever.. the point is you can't GET to OK on some of them) > > > This leaves the user in some doubt as to whether his selection has > > been accepted, as the only way to get out of the screen is through QUIT > > which intuitively suggests (to me at least) abandonning any changed > > Uhh.. On every menu where "looping" like this occurs (generally for > good reason) it does say "select Cancel" when done. I don't really see > how I can make it mny plainer than that! :-) CANCEL IN EVERY OTHER APPLICATION ON EARTH means 'leave it untouched!' > > Are we talking about the same installation here? :-) no, you are seeing it as a person who knows what it's doing, and I'm seeing it as a new user.. > > > There is no way to get those last N blocks (not a whole 'cylinder') > > into a slice (particularly the BSD slice, at least not without > > doing mental arithmetic.. (once again prone to pilot error)). > > The cylinder rounding is done in libdisk and was generally felt to be a > good thing. Perhaps we can make it optional, with a knob someplace. I've argued this one with poul > > > there is no comment that the VT4 shell is CHROOT'ed to the hd.. > > this should be made plain... it toke me about 5 minutes > > to figure out why I couldn't get to /mnt when I could see it in 'mount' > > Heck, the VT4 isn't even _documented_.. :-) It's really meant to be > a special "wizard" feature only. (well it DOES put up a message about starting it, (good idea)) > > > We know all the names for various SLICE types so why not print them... > > Excuse me? All the ones we know, we print. no, 99 for example is MACH.. you don't print that, even though old fdisk knows about it (came from MACH after-all) I know I just watched it again.. > > > if I'd wanted to do something a little less normal. > > I still couldn't directly edit fdisk of disklabel entries which > > is something I think is important for non-standard > > installs.. I also didn't > > How do you suggest that work? It's difficult for me to react to this > when I'm not esactly sure what you have in mind.. :) let me edit a table you can slurp back in... > > > see how one could do a 'partial re-install' > > if one had a partly corrupted FS, and wanted to just download again, > > without newfsing everything... > > > > No problem. Just (M)ount the entries rather than creating them. oh that's so obvious!, surely you can make it more inscrutible? > When the partition and label editors are doc'd, this will be explained > in more detail. oh.. > > Thanks for the feedback! You're the first who's really said anything, aside > from Poul who doesn't count since he helped me write all of this! :-) > > Jordan > Over-all good marks.. I just need tp try it a few more times to see what annoys me.. :) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 20:35:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA02333 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 20:35:46 -0700 Received: from alpha.dsu.edu (ghelmer@alpha.dsu.edu [138.247.32.12]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA02319 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 20:35:43 -0700 Received: (from ghelmer@localhost) by alpha.dsu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA12433; Tue, 30 May 1995 22:35:41 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 22:35:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Guy Helmer To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Announcing FreeBSD 2.0.5 ALPHA! In-Reply-To: <199505300844.BAA08337@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 30 May 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > It gives me great pleasure to announce the release of FreeBSD 2.0.5-ALPHA! And the people said, "Hooray!" > ... > NOTE: If you're installing directly from ftp you can simply grab the > boot.flp image from the floppies directory... It's an awesome installation process! However, I have tried installing it on a PC with an older 300MB ESDI drive that has several bad sectors; initially, I tried to just un-tar the distribution over my old 2.0-950412-SNAP filesystem (which had been installed over an old 1.1 installation), but the 2.0.5-ALPHA kernel complained that it couldn't mount the root partition because of a bad bad144 table. So, I did a complete install from scratch, set the "check for bad sectors" flag when I re-created the FreeBSD partition on the drive, and watched it work over the disk for about 3 hours (it found and added eight bad spots to the bad144 table). Then, the installation procedure hung after it installed the compat1x dist :-( To make a long story longer, I completed the configuration by hand (the handy shell on ttyv4 is great!), copied /kernel.GENERIC to /kernel, and tried to boot the system. Alas, the copied kernel wouldn't boot because of a read error on a particular sector; I booted with kernel.GENERIC, tried to cat /kernel to /dev/null, and it bombed with a read error on a block that was in the bad144 table (I double-checked the table, and the bad block was there...). If there isn't an obvious solution to the problem, I'll probably just wait 'till I can swap a SCSI or IDE drive for the ESDI. I don't have time to do much more debugging on the problem (I have to head to a couple of conferences, one of which where I've been invited to do a presentation on FreeBSD!), but I can boot the system and get the particulars on the layout of the slices and maybe get the location of the bad144 table if need be... > Jordan Thanks again for a great system and all the work that has been done, Guy Helmer Guy Helmer, Dakota State University Computing Services - ghelmer@alpha.dsu.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 20:37:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA03000 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 20:37:56 -0700 Received: from GS81.SP.CS.CMU.EDU (GS81.SP.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.205.91]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA02994 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 20:37:55 -0700 Received: from localhost by GS81.SP.CS.CMU.EDU id aa11714; 30 May 95 23:37 EDT From: moto@CS.cmu.edu To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RELNOTES 2.0.5A about de driver Reply-To: moto@CS.cmu.edu Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 23:37:35 -0400 Message-ID: <11712.801891455@GS81.SP.CS.CMU.EDU> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, Congratulation for releasing 2.0.5 Alpha. I haven't installed it yet, but I'd like to make a comment on RELNOTES. In section 2.2, it says: DEC DC21140 based NICs (SMC???? DE???) and SMC???? should be 'SMC EtherPower', I guess. I'm not sure but it's based on a DEC DC21040 chip. My card (EtherPower) is recognized as: de0 rev 35 int a irq 11 on pci0:6 reg20: virtual=0xf4786c00 physical=0xffbffc00 size=0x80 de0: enabling 10baseT/UTP port de0: DC21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.3 Ethernet address 00:00:c0:5f:76:0e and works great under 954012 SNAP. # I can hardly wait for 2.0.5R :-) ============================================================================== Motonori Shindou Carnegie Mellon University SCS Graduate Student e-mail: moto@cs.cmu.edu, NiftyServe: GEG04056 WWW: http://www.cs.cmu.edu:8001:/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/moto/WWW/moto-home.html TEL: 412-362-9636 FAX: 412-362-9634 ============================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 20:44:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA04597 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 20:44:17 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA04587 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 20:44:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199505310344.UAA04587@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA04267; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:44:13 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: PCI Probe's To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 23:44:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 753 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On a compaq proliant the PCI probe of the system finds no devices. Linux doesnt work either, nor Novell Server stuff. Here is a explanation from Compaq, does it make sense, and with this data point can any progress be made? Thanks! Compaq Deskpro machines that contain a PCI bus have protected mode 32 bit PCI services located at the end address of memory (4 gigabytes). This memory address is not usable by Novell Server software and similar software that cannot manage non-contiguous blocks of extended memory. PCI drivers that do direct calls to the PCI 32 bit address will not function in this environment. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 20:48:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA05226 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 20:48:52 -0700 Received: from kksys.skypoint.net (kksys.skypoint.net [199.86.32.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA05216 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 20:48:50 -0700 Received: from starfire.mn.org by kksys.skypoint.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0sGd5d-0003HyC; Tue, 30 May 95 21:00 CDT Received: (from john@localhost) by starfire.mn.org (8.6.8/1.2.1) id WAA03636 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 30 May 1995 22:12:22 -0500 From: John Lind Message-Id: <199505310312.WAA03636@starfire.mn.org> Subject: panic: page fault booting 2.0.5A To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 22:12:21 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 701 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Machine: 25Mhz 386, no 387, 4Mb RAM, WD1007V, NE2000 (non-standard location), Emerald QIC-36 (PC-36) controller at 0x300, Orchid ProDesigner II SVGA (Note that FreeBSD does not support the Emerald controller -- it is there for MS-DOS operation). Kernel config: disabled all but fdc0, wdc0, sio*, lpt*, and npx (otherwise, the system locked right after looking for wdc1). Booting from the installation floppy, after configuration, I got to: /stand/sysinstall running as init Installation system initializing.. panic: page fault I will be happy to do anything I can to gather more info. John Lind, Starfire Consulting Services E-mail: john@starfire.MN.ORG USnail: PO Box 17247, Mpls MN 55417 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 21:16:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA07999 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:16:43 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA07937 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:16:05 -0700 Received: from LOCALHOST (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA00245 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 22:14:50 -0600 Message-Id: <199505310414.WAA00245@rover.village.org> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Boot disks insane? Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 22:14:49 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I just grabbed boot.flp and root.flp from the 2.0.5-ALPHA directory on ftp.freebsd.org (yes, it has been released, but the announcement is stuck in mailq hell, I'm told). Anyway, I can't boot root.flp, and its size is quite odd (392,704 bytes) Should these have been .gz? Or am I just immagining things and need to refetch them? Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 21:38:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA10330 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:38:00 -0700 Received: from fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp (fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp [164.71.1.133]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA10312 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:37:53 -0700 Received: from fdmmail.fujitsu.co.jp by fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W5-MX941209-Fujitsu Mail Gateway) id NAA27031; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:37:44 +0900 Received: from fdm.fujitsu.co.jp by fdmmail.fujitsu.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W5-MX950127-Fujitsu Domain Mail Master) id NAA02132; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:37:13 +0900 Received: from sysrap by fdm.fujitsu.co.jp (5.65/6.4J.6) id AA23343; Wed, 31 May 95 13:37:12 +0900 Received: from seki.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp by spad.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sGfdp-0001OUC; Wed, 31 May 95 13:44 JST Date: Wed, 31 May 95 13:32:09 JST From: Masahiro SEKIGUCHI Message-Id: <9505310432.AA11899@seki.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp> To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Japanese documents for 2.0.5? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I tried the boot floppy of 2.0.5-ALPHA. The sysinstall menu for Language had a selection for "Japanese (Romaji)", but all documents shown under the selection was English. I remember there was a discussion on Japanese messages for sysinstall. I don't remember any conclusion, however. (I was so busy then.) I also remember there was a call for translators of various languages. I guess the reason why all documents are shown in English is because you lack a translator. I think I can work on them. Please let me know if you need a help. I want to make FreeBSD friendly for Japanese uses as much as possible. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 21:38:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA10389 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:38:37 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA10379 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:38:35 -0700 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 00:38:26 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: Mark Hittinger , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mailing lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 30 May 1995, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > On Tue, 30 May 1995, Mark Hittinger wrote: > > > It may be worth bagging the mailing lists entirely and going for newsgroups > > instead. > > > > It means you've hit the big time :-) > > i have just sorted the addresses in hackers to rationalize mail > delivery. all addresses in the same domain have been collected together. > the order of delivery is now: addresses local to freefall; addresses > local to cdrom.com; the rest of the world in ascii sort order. (the > sort is based on top level domain, then sub-domain, and so on) > > this should speed up mailing list processing > Actually, that wouldn't speed it up much. I'm running several mailing lists and digests with 5000+ users and with that approach, since it goes out as one sendmail process, each transient failure will delay the rest of the list for 5 to 10 minutes. For example, I am running the GUS Daily Digest and that list has 2000+ users with the digest size being 20-30k once a day it goes out, it will take 17 hours to finish sending to everyone on a SUN SparcStation 5 on a T3 link on mail.nws.orst.edu since there are about 5% transient failures which delays the sending of the digest to the rest of the list for a couple hours since even though if you did sorting, it will still go out as one sendmail progress. What I did was used Keith Moore's bulk_mailer which I put for gus-general-digest-outgoing alias for majordomo to redirect to instead of sendmail since bulk_mailer will sort up to 10 domains for each sendmail process that it sends to sendmail so that you have several sendmail process running at once. This has made the digest take 30 minutes to complete instead of 17 hours. This was recently discussed on the majordomo-workers mailing list at GreatCirle.com. Hope this helps. Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 Mailing Lists Admin mail.nws.orst.edu - SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU Running FreeBSD - Real Un*x for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 21:41:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA10669 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:41:13 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA10655 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:41:11 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id VAA22343; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:41:01 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199505310441.VAA22343@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: panic: page fault booting 2.0.5A To: john@starfire.mn.org (John Lind) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 21:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505310312.WAA03636@starfire.mn.org> from "John Lind" at May 30, 95 10:12:21 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 643 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Machine: 25Mhz 386, no 387, 4Mb RAM, WD1007V, NE2000 (non-standard location), > Emerald QIC-36 (PC-36) controller at 0x300, Orchid ProDesigner II SVGA > (Note that FreeBSD does not support the Emerald controller -- it is there > for MS-DOS operation). > > Kernel config: disabled all but fdc0, wdc0, sio*, lpt*, and npx (otherwise, > the system locked right after looking for wdc1). What does the kernel say in "Pages free" (line 7 or so of the boot mesgs). -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 21:44:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA10952 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:44:07 -0700 Received: from blob.best.net (blob.best.net [204.156.128.88]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA10945 ; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:44:06 -0700 Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA18552; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:36:52 -0700 Received: from geli.clusternet (rcarter.vip.best.com [204.156.137.2]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA08014; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:37:07 -0700 Received: (from rcarter@localhost) by geli.clusternet (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA02865; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:35:31 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 21:35:31 -0700 From: "Russell L. Carter" Message-Id: <199505310435.VAA02865@geli.clusternet> To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, julian@ref.tfs.com Subject: Re: [On the new Install] Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk |> |> Uhh.. On every menu where "looping" like this occurs (generally for |> good reason) it does say "select Cancel" when done. I don't really see |> how I can make it mny plainer than that! :-) |CANCEL IN EVERY OTHER APPLICATION ON EARTH means 'leave it untouched!' I sort of think it ought to do this too; I use quite a lot of windoze software where I get into a bad looking place and then go 'Oh well, CANCEL, no harm done.' If I were a bozo new user I sure would like windoze semantics in the dialog boxes... It has been 18 months since I had a Mac on my desk but I don't remember it being any different. Maybe too late, but I'm busy upgrading everything I have via make worlds. Regards, Russell From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 21:45:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA11104 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:45:26 -0700 Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.57]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA11098 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:45:25 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id VAA11214 ; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:45:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Warner Losh cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Boot disks insane? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 May 1995 22:14:49 MDT." <199505310414.WAA00245@rover.village.org> Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 21:45:07 -0700 Message-ID: <11213.801895507@westhill.cdrom.com> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message <199505310414.WAA00245@rover.village.org>, Warner Losh writes: >I just grabbed boot.flp and root.flp from the 2.0.5-ALPHA directory on >ftp.freebsd.org (yes, it has been released, but the announcement is >stuck in mailq hell, I'm told). Yep. >Anyway, I can't boot root.flp, and its size is quite odd (392,704 >bytes) Should these have been .gz? Or am I just immagining things and >need to refetch them? The root.flp is just the tools needed to get the system up and running a bit more smoothly than with what's on the boot.flp. It used to be `cpio.flp', but we changed the name as everyone wondered what the fsck cpio was, and why I needed a floppy full of it! Also, there used to be a kernel on the root disk, but with kzip'd kernels now, we can have a full generic kernel on the boot disk, and hence the kernel on the root(/cpio) disk is gone and the root.flp image is noticably smaller :-) Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 21:45:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA11178 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:45:54 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA11170 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:45:53 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id VAA22378; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:45:46 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199505310445.VAA22378@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Announcing FreeBSD 2.0.5 ALPHA! To: ghelmer@alpha.dsu.edu (Guy Helmer) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 21:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Guy Helmer" at May 30, 95 10:35:41 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 736 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > NOTE: If you're installing directly from ftp you can simply grab the > > boot.flp image from the floppies directory... > > It's an awesome installation process! > > However, I have tried installing it on a PC with an older 300MB ESDI drive > that has several bad sectors; initially, I tried to just un-tar the Hmm, we cannot guarantee to find all badspots with a simple read-check, but that you have trouble with badspots on the list makes me wonder if your boot-blocks got updated right. Try to wipe the disk entirely before installing again... -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 21:47:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA11319 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:47:05 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA11313 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:47:03 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id VAA22391; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:46:44 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199505310446.VAA22391@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Boot disks insane? To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 21:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505310414.WAA00245@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at May 30, 95 10:14:49 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 372 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Anyway, I can't boot root.flp, and its size is quite odd (392,704 > bytes) Should these have been .gz? Or am I just immagining things and > need to refetch them? You only need boot.flp... -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 22:14:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA15063 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 22:14:51 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA15052 ; Tue, 30 May 1995 22:14:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Julian Elischer cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [On the new Install] In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 May 95 20:29:51 PDT." <199505310329.UAA21742@ref.tfs.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 22:14:48 -0700 Message-ID: <15051.801897288@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I'd more want a message saying "This is not being written yet.. > it's safe to play with this screen" > or something.. Hmmm. > I think you are wrong.. > it assumes you have EITHER the correct size or correct number of cylinders.. > for IDE and SCSI, you DO have the correcdt size anyhow.. Huh? It doesn't assume anything of the kind! It simply lets you edit all three fields as one string. And hey, I ain't changin' it so there's not much point in arguing over it anyway! :-) If you feel like working something up that you think is better suited then I'm not at all adverse to looking over/adopting your code, it's just not important enough to me to do anything about it personally! > > Huh?? You mean OK and Cancel, right? > (whatever.. the point is you can't GET to OK on some of them) Well, I _am_ constrained somewhat by the objects that libdialog gives me! In this particular case, I have no other way of knowing when the user wants to leave the menu! When you're selecting an item and hitting return, what you're REALLY doing is selecting the OK button (you'll notice that the cursor stays over it after the arrow keys have brought you to some item of choice). If I want to leave, rather than make a choice, then I have to use Cancel. Sorry, but again - if you want to see some other behavior, you'll have to make the (reliable!) hacks to libdialog yourself and submit them. I have zero interest in making changes of that sort at this late stage! > CANCEL IN EVERY OTHER APPLICATION ON EARTH means 'leave it untouched!' See above. > no, you are seeing it as a person who knows what it's doing, > and I'm seeing it as a new user.. I'm also seeing it as a person who knows what's easily _possible_, so kindly try to take a little of that into account. I'm not wholly blind to good end-user-oriented suggestions, believe me, but if a lot of the things you're asking for were EASY then you may rest assured that I'd have done them already! To return the accusation, I think you're not thinking enough like a FreeBSD hacker yourself, and you're not making informed suggestions based on a reasonable analysis of the tools available. Please go look at libdialog (and heck, sysinstall) a little more before you get too far out with the suggestions, please! > no, 99 for example is MACH.. you don't print that, even though old fdisk > knows about it (came from MACH after-all) I know I just watched it again.. Well, I'll take it up with Poul. I thought that we were handling all known types, sorry! > let me edit a table you can slurp back in... Ok! > > No problem. Just (M)ount the entries rather than creating them. > oh that's so obvious!, surely you can make it more inscrutible? Like I said, there WILL be a help file there that makes it pretty obvious! If the user is not willing to even read what doc is there (when it's made available) then I truly have no interest in bending over backwards to accomodate them. There has to be some give and take, and I have the sneaking suspicion that you yourself didn't read ANY of the documentation files! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 22:17:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA15518 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 22:17:02 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA15509 ; Tue, 30 May 1995 22:17:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Warner Losh cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Boot disks insane? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 May 95 22:14:49 MDT." <199505310414.WAA00245@rover.village.org> Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 22:17:00 -0700 Message-ID: <15506.801897420@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk You only need to grab and boot `boot.flp'. Root.flp is a gzip'd tar file image! :-) Jordan > I just grabbed boot.flp and root.flp from the 2.0.5-ALPHA directory on > ftp.freebsd.org (yes, it has been released, but the announcement is > stuck in mailq hell, I'm told). > > Anyway, I can't boot root.flp, and its size is quite odd (392,704 > bytes) Should these have been .gz? Or am I just immagining things and > need to refetch them? > > Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 22:38:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA18220 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 22:38:17 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA18211 ; Tue, 30 May 1995 22:38:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Masahiro SEKIGUCHI cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, sa2c@and.or.jp Subject: Re: Japanese documents for 2.0.5? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 May 95 13:32:09 +0200." <9505310432.AA11899@seki.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp> Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 22:38:14 -0700 Message-ID: <18207.801898694@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I tried the boot floppy of 2.0.5-ALPHA. The sysinstall menu for > Language had a selection for "Japanese (Romaji)", but all documents > shown under the selection was English. Only the "Usage" document is in Romaji for 2.0.5A. I've since received a README and will probably get most of the other documents translated for 2.0.5R. Satoshi Niimi is doing most of the translation work, but if he needs help with it then I'm sure he'd be happy to take you up on your offer! Satoshi? > I remember there was a discussion on Japanese messages for sysinstall. > I don't remember any conclusion, however. (I was so busy then.) I > also remember there was a call for translators of various languages. > > I guess the reason why all documents are shown in English is because > you lack a translator. I think I can work on them. Please let me > know if you need a help. > > I want to make FreeBSD friendly for Japanese uses as much as possible. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 22:48:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA19052 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 22:48:57 -0700 Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA19039 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 22:48:54 -0700 Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6) id AAA00304; Wed, 31 May 1995 00:45:18 -0400 From: "House of Debuggin'" Message-Id: <199505310445.AAA00304@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: Boot disks insane? To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 00:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505310414.WAA00245@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at May 30, 95 10:14:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1800 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk They say this Warner Losh person was kidding when he wrote: > I just grabbed boot.flp and root.flp from the 2.0.5-ALPHA directory on > ftp.freebsd.org (yes, it has been released, but the announcement is > stuck in mailq hell, I'm told). I saw it on comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce over here a short while ago. > Anyway, I can't boot root.flp, and its size is quite odd (392,704 > bytes) Should these have been .gz? Or am I just immagining things and > need to refetch them? > > Warner *chuckle* Uhm... either this is a fiendishly clever troll, or somebody up there has it in for Jordan. You're supposed to boot the boot.flp image, not the root.flp image. The boot.flp image is the boot disk; root.flp is actually the cpio.flp image from previous releases in disguise. You shouldn't need to do anything except dd or rawrite both images to floppies and boot the boot.flp disk. No gunzipping or other such arcane rituals should be required. Didn't you notice that boot.flp is 1228800 bytes in size, which is exactly big enough to fit onto a 5.25" high density diskette? The funny thing is that I remember seeing the commit message where Jordan renamed cpio.flp to root.flp, and in the log entry he said he did it to reduce confusion. I guess you showed him. :) -Bill -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~T~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Møøse Illuminati: ignore it and be confused, or join it and be confusing! ~~~~~~~~~ FreeBSD 2.1: "We can kick your operating system's ass!" ~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 23:17:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA20250 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:17:35 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA20243 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:17:32 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA29888; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:17:22 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505310617.XAA29888@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: RELNOTES 2.0.5A about de driver To: moto@CS.cmu.edu Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 23:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <11712.801891455@GS81.SP.CS.CMU.EDU> from "moto@CS.cmu.edu" at May 30, 95 11:37:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1299 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Hi, > > Congratulation for releasing 2.0.5 Alpha. I haven't installed it yet, > but I'd like to make a comment on RELNOTES. > > In section 2.2, it says: > > DEC DC21140 based NICs (SMC???? DE???) SMC9332 EtherPower 10/100 > and SMC???? should be 'SMC EtherPower', I guess. I'm not sure but it's > based on a DEC DC21040 chip. My card (EtherPower) is recognized as: That is the 10MB/sec only card, the ones being talked about above are dual mode 10MB and 100MB/sec cards. > > de0 rev 35 int a irq 11 on pci0:6 > reg20: virtual=0xf4786c00 physical=0xffbffc00 size=0x80 > de0: enabling 10baseT/UTP port > de0: DC21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.3 Ethernet address 00:00:c0:5f:76:0e This is the SMC8432 card. > and works great under 954012 SNAP. There have been several bugs fixed since then in the driver, but they are rarely noticed bugs. Be carefull after reboots, the card can corrupt memory during a reboot in this version of FreeBSD. If you see strangness on your system do a cold power cycle boot or update to 2.0.5A. > # I can hardly wait for 2.0.5R :-) :-), I can, I am about burnt out :-) -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 23:18:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA20292 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:18:51 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA20282 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:18:49 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA29899; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:18:39 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505310618.XAA29899@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: PCI Probe's To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 23:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505310344.UAA04587@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Charles Henrich" at May 30, 95 11:44:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 908 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > On a compaq proliant the PCI probe of the system finds no devices. Linux > doesnt work either, nor Novell Server stuff. Here is a explanation from > Compaq, does it make sense, and with this data point can any progress be made? > Thanks! > > Compaq Deskpro machines that contain a PCI bus have protected mode 32 bit PCI > services located at the end address of memory (4 gigabytes). This memory > address is not usable by Novell Server software and similar software that > cannot manage non-contiguous blocks of extended memory. PCI drivers that do > direct calls to the PCI 32 bit address will not function in this environment. All PCI 2.0 compliant systems have protected mode 32 bit PCI services located in the end of addressable memory. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 23:31:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA20715 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:31:33 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA20709 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:31:29 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA00237; Wed, 31 May 1995 00:30:45 -0600 Message-Id: <199505310630.AAA00237@rover.village.org> To: "House of Debuggin'" Subject: Re: Boot disks insane? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 31 May 1995 00:45:15 EDT Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 00:30:43 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk : They say this Warner Losh person was kidding when he wrote: Yes. He was, but how did you know :-) : Uhm... either this is a fiendishly clever troll, or somebody up there : has it in for Jordan. No. It was an HONEST mistake. I misread the README.FIRST and thought all I needed was *r*oot.flp. So I go off and get it and discover that I was wrong.... : Didn't you notice that boot.flp is 1228800 bytes in size, which is : exactly big enough to fit onto a 5.25" high density diskette? Yes. But in the past there have been two disks, one much larger than the other.... and usually you booted the smaller one (gzipped) and the larger one had all the useful files you needed. : The funny thing is that I remember seeing the commit message where : Jordan renamed cpio.flp to root.flp, and in the log entry he said he : did it to reduce confusion. I guess you showed him. :) :-(. I'll never get a FreeBSD 2.0.5 CD at this rate :-) Anyway, I encountered a large number of problems with installing this release. I tried to do the FTP release thing (from a local host) and found that I got an unspecified error -1 no matter what host I pointed it at. Maybe I did something wrong, but it sure was frustrating to discover this. I don't think that ncftp is on boot.flp. I couldn't find it when I used that useful shell on the forth screen. Also, there should be some way to mount old file systems so that you can just ftp the files from ftp.freebsd.org to your local hard disk (say overnight when you know the load is low) and thenn do the install. As it was, I had to unpack them by hand to get a somewhat bootable system. Then I tried to continue with things like configure and the like, but they didn't have any effect, so I've been cranking things by hand. All this to find out if I can use the ijppp to test against a ppp product that I'm working on (the one on 2.0R seems useless :-(. It would be nice if there was some way to say "There's my 2.0R disks, figure out all these silly questions from that system, do the right thing with the new system, and be about your business," but I understand that is a 2.1R project. The new install is cool and fairly nice, but the disk disk partition and disk label tools need some feedback as to what happens when you hit . It would be nice if it remembered mount points accross reboots, but that is minor... Oh, is it "safe" to use old, unconverted file systems with the 2.0.5-ALPHA *AND* the 2.0R kernel at the same time (meaning that sometimes the 2.0R kernel is reading/writing them, and at other times the 2.0.5-ALPHA kernel is reading/writing them). I got lots of warnings when I booted saying that the label was hosed on my old disks, since parts of it weren't completely within the bounds of the disk. All in all, this is a much improved install system, despite my complaints about it. It will likely need some polish around the edges before it is ready for 2.0.5R (Sorry Jordan). Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 23:38:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA20939 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:38:31 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA20933 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:38:30 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id XAA22684; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:37:49 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199505310637.XAA22684@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Boot disks insane? To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 23:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Cc: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505310630.AAA00237@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at May 31, 95 00:30:43 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 805 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Anyway, I encountered a large number of problems with installing this > release. I tried to do the FTP release thing (from a local host) and > found that I got an unspecified error -1 no matter what host I pointed Well, tell us about it. Select the "Extra debugging" on the Options menu, and tell us what ALT-F2 tells you... > It would be nice if there was some way to say "There's my 2.0R disks, > figure out all these silly questions from that system, do the right > thing with the new system, and be about your business," but I > understand that is a 2.1R project. We will happily recive code that does that.. :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 30 23:39:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA20981 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:39:34 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA20975 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:39:31 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA28697; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:42:32 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA00808; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:39:40 -0700 Message-Id: <199505310639.XAA00808@corbin.Root.COM> To: moto@CS.cmu.edu cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RELNOTES 2.0.5A about de driver In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 May 95 23:37:35 EDT." <11712.801891455@GS81.SP.CS.CMU.EDU> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 23:39:38 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >In section 2.2, it says: > > DEC DC21140 based NICs (SMC???? DE???) > >and SMC???? should be 'SMC EtherPower', I guess. I'm not sure but it's >based on a DEC DC21040 chip. My card (EtherPower) is recognized as: > >de0 rev 35 int a irq 11 on pci0:6 > reg20: virtual=0xf4786c00 physical=0xffbffc00 size=0x80 >de0: enabling 10baseT/UTP port >de0: DC21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.3 Ethernet address 00:00:c0:5f:76:0e The 21140 based SMC card is the SMC 9332, and the DEC version is a DE500-XA. These are the 100BaseT cards (100Mbit). The card you have is the 10Mbit one and should be under a seperate section. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 00:08:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA21886 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 00:08:26 -0700 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA21879 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 00:08:20 -0700 Received: from cc.uq.oz.au by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au id <01964-0@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>; Wed, 31 May 1995 17:01:59 +1000 Received: by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-E0.3a) id RAA05730; Wed, 31 May 1995 17:06:03 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Message-Id: <199505310706.RAA05730@pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG cc: syssgm@devetir.qld.gov.au Subject: xten stole my uid! Date: Wed, 31 May 95 17:06:02 EST Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >From back in the 386BSD 0.1 days, I've used uid 100 for my personal account. Now the default master.passwd allocates this to xten. The new policy seems to be to allocate user accounts in the 1000+ range, but targeting uid 100 when there are only 12 entries in master.passwd seems a tad vindictive! Stephen. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 00:31:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA23334 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 00:31:21 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA23309 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 00:31:15 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA00270; Wed, 31 May 1995 00:31:01 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505310731.AAA00270@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: xten stole my uid! To: syssgm@devetir.qld.gov.au (Stephen McKay) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 00:31:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, syssgm@devetir.qld.gov.au In-Reply-To: <199505310706.RAA05730@pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au> from "Stephen McKay" at May 31, 95 05:06:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1031 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > >From back in the 386BSD 0.1 days, I've used uid 100 for my personal account. > Now the default master.passwd allocates this to xten. The new policy seems > to be to allocate user accounts in the 1000+ range, but targeting uid 100 > when there are only 12 entries in master.passwd seems a tad vindictive! But if you look at the max value (sans nobody who is always -1) it is 267. Unix vendors have long been using uid's below 500 for specific things and normal folks should try to avoid them (I do on all the systems I administer and have been for avoiding them for a long long time (8 years seems about when I started using 500 and above, before that it was 100 and above)). Some of these uid's are well known values, but expect for the 2.2 release to them all to be renumber, we have been carrying some of that baggage for too long IMHO. Sorry.. it happens... :-( -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 00:32:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA23952 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 00:32:39 -0700 Received: from redline.ru (root@mail.redline.ru [194.87.69.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA23620 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 00:32:06 -0700 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 11:20:13 +0400 (GMT+0400) From: Anthony Graphics X-Sender: agl@mail.redline.ru To: Boyd Faulkner cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: In-Reply-To: <9505302247.AA25386@olympus> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 30 May 1995, Boyd Faulkner wrote: > > one from the production machine and everything then compiled flawlessly > > (the processor was stepping 0 however also) > > AGL > > But does it still fail on boot if wt0, mcd0 ans mcd1 are enabled? > > Boyd Haven't checked yet: will check when I'd get a proper {working ;-)} cpu unit, I guess it won't boot with those devices enabled anyway (and I do not need them anyway ;-) AGL From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 01:07:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA01403 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 01:07:11 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA01370 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 01:07:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Warner Losh cc: "House of Debuggin'" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Boot disks insane? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 May 95 00:30:43 MDT." <199505310630.AAA00237@rover.village.org> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 01:07:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1365.801907625@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Yes. But in the past there have been two disks, one much larger than > the other.... and usually you booted the smaller one (gzipped) and > the larger one had all the useful files you needed. I'll doc this better for 2.0.5R - I promise.. :-) > Anyway, I encountered a large number of problems with installing this > release. I tried to do the FTP release thing (from a local host) and > found that I got an unspecified error -1 no matter what host I pointed > it at. Maybe I did something wrong, but it sure was frustrating to > discover this. I don't think that ncftp is on boot.flp. I couldn't > find it when I used that useful shell on the forth screen. Strange! I have done numerous ftp installs, over everything from PCMCIA ethernet cards to PPP to SLIP! Are you sure your DNS stuff is set up properly? Netmask? Did you try a URL by IP address? (e.g. ftp://192.222.333.444/pub/FreeBSD/2.0.5-ALPHA/). I'd like to debug this, if you'd be so kind.. I'm relying on this kind of feedback to make 2.0.5R work! > Also, there should be some way to mount old file systems so that you > can just ftp the files from ftp.freebsd.org to your local hard disk > (say overnight when you know the load is low) and thenn do the > install. As it was, I had to unpack them by hand to get a somewhat > bootable system. UFS installation should do the job.. > Then I tried to continue with things like configure and the like, but > they didn't have any effect, so I've been cranking things by hand. Feh? I'd be interested in details. Again, I certainly have tested most of that to destruction and am surprised to hear that it's giving you so much trouble! > It would be nice if there was some way to say "There's my 2.0R disks, > figure out all these silly questions from that system, do the right > thing with the new system, and be about your business," but I > understand that is a 2.1R project. I'm glad you understand that.. :-) :-) > The new install is cool and fairly nice, but the disk disk partition > and disk label tools need some feedback as to what happens when you > hit . It would be nice if it remembered mount points accross > reboots, but that is minor... I can't remember the mountpoints since they're not stored anywhere! :-( I could parse fstab if I found it, but after the slice changes it would almost certainly be wrong. anyway. > Oh, is it "safe" to use old, unconverted file systems with the > 2.0.5-ALPHA *AND* the 2.0R kernel at the same time (meaning that > sometimes the 2.0R kernel is reading/writing them, and at other times > the 2.0.5-ALPHA kernel is reading/writing them). Should be no problem, modulo the slice code bitching at you. > All in all, this is a much improved install system, despite my > complaints about it. It will likely need some polish around the edges > before it is ready for 2.0.5R (Sorry Jordan). No offense taken - that's why I'm doing this ALPHA! I'm totally open to any specific suggestions you or anyone else might have and, as Poul will tell you, am generally quick to implement anything I think is a good idea. This install is by no means frozen in stone yet! If you (and I mean the generic "you", not just Warner) have suggestions for changes to the code or the docs (or, even better, patches for any of the above :-) I'm _very_ interested in hearing from you! I may have come on a little strong with Julian, and I really don't mean to be snappy about feedback. I am tired and there's a vertebra twisted in my neck that is causing me considerable pain (%@&%*!! chiropractor is closed on Tuesdays! :-( ) so I may be a little on edge, but I'm still very interested in feedback. Some of it may be utterly impractical, and when it is I'll simply say so, but I still want to hear it! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 01:46:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA06101 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 01:46:18 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA06081 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 01:45:52 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA08752; Wed, 31 May 95 10:45:32 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id KAA15761 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:58:18 +0200 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 10:58:18 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199505310858.KAA15761@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: mcast and sd Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In my previous posting I said that the other machine's sd did not see the session on the one machine. I now found out that the machine that is running the mrouted does not see the session while the one machine immediately sees the session that is opened on the other machine. MOZART opens sd opens a new session BLUES (runs mrouted connected to MBONE) opens sd (mozarts' session does not show up) opens a new session MOZART immediately after that sees the session on blues So I wonder what's wrong. Why does BLUES not see MOZARTs sessions? --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950531 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0531 #0: Wed May 31 06:16:35 MET DST 1995 root@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 01:56:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA06492 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 01:56:46 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA06480 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 01:56:37 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA11214 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 31 May 1995 18:42:31 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199505310912.SAA11214@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: 2.0.5A Installation observations. To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 18:42:30 +0930 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3158 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk OK; I thought I'd do my bit for the cause, and have a tinker with the 2.0.5A bootdisk. I haven't gone any further coz the australian mirror isn't up yet 8) Here are some observations, based on reading the docco and then plunging into the setup process. 1) The FTP options screen gives no indication of whether options are set or not, and no apparent way of turning them off afterwards. I suspect that it should be two radiobuttons (failure options) and two checkboxes for the other options, rather than four menu entries. 2) The options->extra debugging says 'toggle', but all it does is turn it on, and the next option turns it off. Shouldn't that be another checkbox? 3) There are _lots_ of "Command output is on debugging screen" messages displayed, at possibly confusing times. I suspect that this is because I had the 'extra debugging' turned on, which is MSF. 4) (This has already been raised) In the master partition editor, the ESC-to-exit option should really be ESC-to-continue, as otherwise the gutfeeling implication is that you're abandoning your changes. 5) The "Distribution Selection" dialog has an accidental newline in the description text at the top of the dialog. (Nitpick) 6) In the "Network Configuration" dialog, the bottomline text displayed for the netmask option has a typo : "for this interfaace" 7) The netmask field in the "Network Configuration" dialog doesn't "work" - specifically, when you cursor out of it, it's cleared. When you exit the dialog, the debugging output shows no signs of setting the netmask. (I tried decimal, hex, and "my cat has fleas", none caused either an error or a result) 8) If the user fails to read the instructions saying DO NOT COME BACK UNTIL YOU HAVE A PPP connection (I don't, I was pretending 8) and comes back (or perhaps if the connection fails, or they "didn't mean it"), the extraction fails with a couple of "unknown error -1" messages and "couldn't extract all of the dists, Residue: bdf", and then proceeds to announce that the installation completed OK. 9) Selecting "Install" from the main menu with no slices defined causes a lockup with a blank blue screen. (You have to visit the slice editor first, I actually generated this by going through the whole process and then going back and deleteting the FreeBSD slice.) There are a few rough edges left, and I think that libdialog is responsible for a large number of these, but on the whole this is a very spiffy installation indeed. I can't wait to slather it all over my poor unsuspecting disks 8) Jordan : I'm aware that this is a public forum, and that you have a sore vertebra, but I suspect we should be asking your SO to thank you on our behalf 8) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 02:24:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA09322 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 02:24:15 -0700 Received: from cs.huji.ac.il (cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA09299 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 02:24:05 -0700 Received: from picton.cs.huji.ac.il by cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA15536 (5.67b/HUJI 4.153 for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 12:23:25 +0300 Received: by picton.cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA01880 (5.65c/HUJI 4.114 for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 12:23:25 +0300 Message-Id: <199505310923.AA01880@picton.cs.huji.ac.il> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Hackers Mailing List) Subject: Re: Boot disks insane? In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 31 May 1995 00:30:43 -0600 . <199505310630.AAA00237@rover.village.org> From: Amos Shapira Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 12:23:23 +0300 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Warner Losh wrote: |Also, there should be some way to mount old file systems so that you |can just ftp the files from ftp.freebsd.org to your local hard disk |(say overnight when you know the load is low) and thenn do the |install. As it was, I had to unpack them by hand to get a somewhat |bootable system. You mean this is impossible? Maybe it's not related but I'm planning to help a friend install the latest SNAP (maybe 2.0.5 ALPHA now that it's out) on a new disk on a mainly-linux system. What I planned is to copy the relevant files to a dos partition and point sysinstall to it when it asks. (the machine is not directly on the net so I had to download things through a DAT). Is this possible? |All in all, this is a much improved install system, despite my |complaints about it. It will likely need some polish around the edges |before it is ready for 2.0.5R (Sorry Jordan). Never ran anything before the latest SNAP but I found it very convenient so far (didn't finish installation due to problems with a touchy 1542CF SCSI controller + a new cable). Cheers, --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for 133 Shlomo Ben-Yosef st. | glory, for its people had been chosen Jerusalem 93 805 | by the finest judges in England." ISRAEL amoss@cs.huji.ac.il | -- Anonymous From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 02:27:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA02290 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 01:11:07 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA02103 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 01:10:18 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA08371; Wed, 31 May 95 10:09:39 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id KAA15647 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:22:26 +0200 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 10:22:26 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199505310822.KAA15647@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: mcast and sd/vat/wb Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm asking someone with experience in using the sd/vat/wb software: When I start a sd session on one machine and start sd on another machine, shouldn't the session of the one machine show up in the session directory of the other machine immediately? With me it doesn't though I have both machines configured MROUTING, bpfilter 4, mcast routes are set up. The 'other' machine is running mrouted and has a connection to the MBONE. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950531 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0531 #0: Wed May 31 06:16:35 MET DST 1995 root@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 05:00:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA24748 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 05:00:16 -0700 Received: from fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp (fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp [164.71.1.133]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA24738 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 05:00:11 -0700 Received: from fdmmail.fujitsu.co.jp by fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W5-MX941209-Fujitsu Mail Gateway) id VAA22098; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:00:02 +0900 Received: from fdm.fujitsu.co.jp by fdmmail.fujitsu.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W5-MX950127-Fujitsu Domain Mail Master) id UAA18762; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:59:30 +0900 Received: from sysrap by fdm.fujitsu.co.jp (5.65/6.4J.6) id AA14118; Wed, 31 May 95 20:59:30 +0900 Received: from seki.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp by spad.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sGmXq-0004Q8C; Wed, 31 May 95 21:06 JST Date: Wed, 31 May 95 20:54:27 JST From: Masahiro SEKIGUCHI Message-Id: <9505311154.AA12666@seki.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp> To: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: mcast and sd References: <199505310858.KAA15761@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >MOZART >opens sd >opens a new session > >BLUES (runs mrouted connected to MBONE) >opens sd (mozarts' session does not show up) >opens a new session >MOZART immediately after that sees the session on blues If this is the exact order you did, there is nothing strange at all. Try creating another session on MOZART when sd is running on BLUES. It will immediately shown on sd on BLUES. Or, if you just wait 5 minutes or more, the "missing" session will be shown on BLUES. It is a normal behaviour of sd. If an sd creates a new session, it sends packets to notify a session is alive. The packet is sent either (1) immediately after the session is created, or (2) every 5 minutes. So, when you start sd, you have to wait max. 5 minutes before the sd shows all pre-existing sessions. It may be hard to recognize this behaviour, since sd plays a trick with the file ~/.sd_cache to reduce the delay. Please verify the above scenario. I believe presence of mrouted is irrelevant. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 06:08:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA01246 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:08:09 -0700 Received: from bronze.coil.com (bronze.coil.com [198.4.94.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA01239 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:08:07 -0700 Received: from localhost (echet@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.12) id JAA21712 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:10:41 -0400 From: Eric Chet Message-Id: <199505311310.JAA21712@bronze.coil.com> Subject: FTP Install Problems 2.0.5 ALPHA To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 09:10:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 866 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hello I would first like to say 2.0.5 ALPHA looks great so far, now if I can get past the install utility :-) I don't have any problems setting everything up, everything goes smoothly. I'm trying to install over FTP with a modem and ppp. I get a "FTP unspecified error -1" when it tries to connect. I switch to the debug screen it says "DEBUG: Connection failed: No route to host(65)" I'm trying to connect to ftp.FreeBSD.ORG. I have tried every other host on the list with the same result :-(. What is the IP for ftp.FreeBSD.ORG and FreeBSD.cdrom.com? I would like to try them direct. I did check the ppp " show route " it gives me the proper information Provider IP: 198.4.94.1 My Dynamic IP: 198.4.94.140 I will be on the system all day, I want to get this working. Please email and post to the list. Thank You Eric Chet echet@coil.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 06:19:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA03229 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:19:51 -0700 Received: from alpha.dsu.edu (ghelmer@alpha.dsu.edu [138.247.32.12]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA03214 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:19:49 -0700 Received: (from ghelmer@localhost) by alpha.dsu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA15578; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:19:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 08:19:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Guy Helmer To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Announcing FreeBSD 2.0.5 ALPHA! In-Reply-To: <199505310445.VAA22378@ref.tfs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 30 May 1995, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > However, I have tried installing it on a PC with an older 300MB ESDI drive > > that has several bad sectors; initially, I tried to just un-tar the > > Hmm, we cannot guarantee to find all badspots with a simple read-check, > but that you have trouble with badspots on the list makes me wonder if > your boot-blocks got updated right. > > Try to wipe the disk entirely before installing again... This morning I remembered what I had done -- I had gone through the install, hung up after unpacking the compat1x dist, and then run through the install again without setting the "check for bad blocks" flag in the partition screen. Just now I booted the system in single-user mode, "disklabel -e wd0", and added "badsect" to the flags line, rebooted, and now the system seems to be using the bad-block table correctly. I had hoped that the bad-block table would be relocated towards the front of the disk, but at least on my system, the bad block table is still near the end of the drive (well beyond cyl 1024 on my untranslated-disk...). > Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Guy Helmer, Dakota State University Computing Services - ghelmer@alpha.dsu.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 06:28:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA03934 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:28:11 -0700 Received: from miller.cs.uwm.edu (miller.cs.uwm.edu [129.89.35.13]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA03923 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:28:09 -0700 Received: (from james@localhost) by miller.cs.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) id IAA10628; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:27:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 08:27:32 -0500 From: Jim Lowe Message-Id: <199505311327.IAA10628@miller.cs.uwm.edu> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Subject: Re: mcast and sd/vat/wb Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" > Subject: mcast and sd/vat/wb > > I'm asking someone with experience in using the sd/vat/wb software: > > When I start a sd session on one machine and start sd on another machine, > shouldn't the session of the one machine show up in the session directory > of the other machine immediately? No. The protocol only broadcasts a message every 3 minutes or so. You won't see sessions until this broadcast is sent out and only if your machine receives the udp packet correctly. If you start the sd on the listening machine, then start a session it should show up immediately. > > With me it doesn't though I have both machines configured MROUTING, bpfilter 4, > mcast routes are set up. The 'other' machine is running mrouted and > has a connection to the MBONE. > If you are connected to the mbone you should see a bunch of other sessions once you start sd. It can take several minutes for you to get everything. While the reasons for this might not be immediately obvious, think of the number of hosts on the mbone -- if every time someone started a session directory originators had to multicast all their data, the mbone would be flooded. I beleive you only need the MROUTING option if you are going to be using your machine as an Mbone router. Do you have a default route set up for the multicast (224.0.0.0) network? BTW: The mir space docking is going to happend at 8:35 pm tonight. They will most likely have it live on the mbone. -Jim From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 06:36:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA05489 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:36:01 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA05473 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:35:58 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id JAA02544; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:27:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 09:27:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: mailing lists To: -Vince- cc: Mark Hittinger , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 May 1995, -Vince- wrote: > > this should speed up mailing list processing > > > > Actually, that wouldn't speed it up much. I'm running several > mailing lists and digests with 5000+ users and with that approach, since > it goes out as one sendmail process, each transient failure will delay the > rest of the list for 5 to 10 minutes. For example, I am running the GUS > Daily Digest and that list has 2000+ users with the digest size being > 20-30k once a day it goes out, it will take 17 hours to finish sending to ugh....17 hours, even several hours is just too much > everyone on a SUN SparcStation 5 on a T3 link on mail.nws.orst.edu since > there are about 5% transient failures which delays the sending of the > digest to the rest of the list for a couple hours since even though if > you did sorting, it will still go out as one sendmail progress. What I > did was used Keith Moore's bulk_mailer which I put for where can i find it. archie failed me and the May archives from majordomo-users describes how to use it but not how to find it ;( none of majordomo-workers, majordomo-users or list-managers has a pointer to an ftp site. a pointer to an ftp site, PLEASE! :)) how did you solve the problem of two copies of each messages being sent to everyone? jmb Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 06:38:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA05983 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:38:37 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA05977 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:38:36 -0700 Received: from mailbox.syr.edu (mailbox.syr.EDU [128.230.1.5]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA18152 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:38:42 -0700 Received: from forbin.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/SUM-V8-1.0) id JAA18070; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:37:13 -0400 Received: by forbin.syr.edu (5.x/Spike-2.0) id AA11246; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:37:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 09:37:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Sedore X-Sender: cmsedore@forbin.syr.edu To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.x - can it run in 4Mb? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 26 May 1995, Hector Gonzalez Jaime wrote: > > On Thu, 25 May 1995, Karl Strickland wrote: > > > Im interested in installing FreeBSD 2.x on a 486/33 with only 4Mb of ram. > > The box acts as a dedicated internet router, routing between sl0 and two > > ethernet boards. > > > > As of the 032295 Snapshot, it runs with 4 megs, but I couldn't be > installed with 4 megs, so as a workaround, I put some extra chips on the > system for installation, and when all was installed and extracted I > returned the original 4 megs to the system, and it worked great. > > Specifically, during installation, when the bindist was extracted 4 megs > were insufficient, even with a 16 megs swap partition on the system, I > don't know if it was active. The 950412 snap installed on my 386SX-20 with 4mb of RAM via NFS over SLIP using the boot floppy procedure. Just the bindist and man pages, though. -Chris Chris Sedore Syracuse University From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 06:41:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA06161 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:41:58 -0700 Received: from inetgwy.asctmd.com (inetgwy.asctmd.com [198.59.170.33]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA06155 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:41:56 -0700 From: SUPERVISOR@alb.asctmd.com Received: from alb.asctmd.com (alb.asctmd.com [198.59.170.34]) by inetgwy.asctmd.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA02109 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:54:18 -0600 Received: from ALBUQUERQUE-Message_Server by alb.asctmd.com with WordPerfect_Office; Wed, 31 May 1995 07:49:45 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: WordPerfect Office 4.0 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 07:45:39 -0700 To: martin@victor.innovus.com Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD as Netware client? -Reply -Reply -Reply Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where is the latest netipx code anyway and is anyone still actively working on it? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I have not performed any changes to the netipx code which was uploaded to ftp.freebsd.org in February. I still have a copy of these patches relative to a 2.0R source tree. If necessary, I can place them in a public archive again. Mike Mitchell (505) 856-8000 Work From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 06:42:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA06198 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:42:21 -0700 Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA06192 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:42:20 -0700 Received: from ast.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQysck10950; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:42:17 -0400 Received: from trsvax.fw.ast.com (fw.ast.com) by ast.com with SMTP id AA15772 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for uunet!freebsd.org!current); Wed, 31 May 1995 06:42:34 -0700 Received: by trsvax.fw.ast.com (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.1) id ; Wed, 31 May 95 08:44 CDT Received: by nemesis.lonestar.org (Smail3.1.27.1 #18) id m0sGo0D-0004w1C; Wed, 31 May 95 08:40 CDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 May 95 08:40 CDT To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com (Frank Durda IV) Sent: Wed May 31 1995, 08:40:05 CDT Subject: Problems with 2.0.5-Alpha Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I have two existing systems that were running SNAP-0412 without incident that I have tried to install 2.0.5-Alpha on. This has been a failure. The system is a DEC 1027, also known as a GRid 433, also known as a Tandy 4833, also, well you get the idea. These are 486DX-33 systems, with external cache modules, 8Meg RAM, a single 540 IDE drive. No SCSI, CD-ROMs removed, WD8013 network card (0x2, 0x280, 0xd400), standard COM1, COM2, LPT1 and nothing else. OAK or WDC VGA adapters, depending on the machine. With 8Meg present (what they have had for months), I note on the F2 screen that dozens of processes are aborting with: Process 402 Killed by vm_pageout -- out of swap The installation appears to be working although many help files appear missing. I expected some to be missing, but not all - the true error may be a killed process rather than a missing file. Anyway, the installation gets to "Making device files" and just sits there forever. I suspect it didn't actually make file systems as that step reportedly took about one second. I halted the system and added memory from an identical system, bringing it up to 12 Meg thinking the additional RAM might avoid the swap altogether. But now the system starts up: Booting the kernelel...done (yes, it is displayed that way) BIOS basemem (639K) != RTC basemem (640K) and it just hangs at this point. So I tried 4Meg, as the system is supposed to work with just 4Meg. The system also hangs after the BIOS BASEMEM message. So I returned to 8Meg memory size and it boots but by monitoring screen 2 it is obvious it is killing processes left and right, starting with process 6. Then I switched to 16Meg. It also hangs. But if I move the same plug-in memory board loaded with the 16Meg on it to the second machine, that system gets a trap when booting 2.0.5-Alpha: Booting the kernel BIOS basemem (639K) != RTC basemem (640K) Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x1c fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0186235 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b, gran 1 processor eflags = resume, IOPL=0 current process = 0 () interrupt mask = net tty bio panic: page fault hit reset please This is 100% reproducible on one system and doesn't seem to happen on the other. The only difference was that the machine that paniced had video shadowing disabled in the BIOS. Again, both these systems ran 1.1.5.1, and all the SNAPs since February and have been used for numerous "make worlds" without incident. The system with the panic hasn't had its hard disk wiped yet, so after the panic, I simply let the system boot the last snap from hard disk and it ran fine with no hardware changes at all with the 16Meg present. So with 2.0.5-Alpha, neither system runs at all unless exactly 8Meg is present and it gets out of swap errors with 8Meg present. Constructive suggestions are welcome and I'll be happy to try any experiments to resolve this. Fastest address is uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com Frank Durda IV |"The Knights who say "LETNi" or uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com (Fastest Route)| demand... A SEGMENT REGISTER!!!" ...letni!rwsys!nemesis!uhclem |"A what?" ...decvax!fw.ast.com!nemesis!uhclem |"LETNi! LETNi! LETNi!" - 1983 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 06:56:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA07231 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:56:45 -0700 Received: from inetgwy.asctmd.com (inetgwy.asctmd.com [198.59.170.33]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA07216 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:56:37 -0700 From: SUPERVISOR@alb.asctmd.com Received: from alb.asctmd.com (alb.asctmd.com [198.59.170.34]) by inetgwy.asctmd.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA02358 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:09:01 -0600 Received: from ALBUQUERQUE-Message_Server by alb.asctmd.com with WordPerfect_Office; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:04:27 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: WordPerfect Office 4.0 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 08:00:23 -0700 To: tom@uniserve.com Cc: terry@cs.weber.edu, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, bens@jhbs.com.au Subject: Re: FreeBSD as Netware client? -Reply Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are there any docs on IPX available somewhere? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< IPX is extremely similar to Xerox Network Services (XNS). Novell appears to have extended XNS and renamed it to IPX. (The previous statement may be a gross over simplification to some.) The code available in the netns directory was used as the basis for netipx. I used various materials which describe the IPX DOS client interface to glean information about IPX. Also, I have uploaded a file SPX.DOC to ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming which is a Novell description of SPX. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 06:56:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA07215 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:56:36 -0700 Received: from rrnet.com (rrnet.com [198.81.198.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA07167 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:55:25 -0700 Received: from localhost (erich@localhost) by rrnet.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA22915; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:58:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 08:58:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "Eric L. Hernes" Subject: sound blaster driver To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I'm having a bit of a problem with a sound-blaster card that i have here. It's an ancient 8-bit model. The card is recognized at bootup, but when I cat somefile.au >/dev/audion, the first chunk of the sound file plays and then just hangs, 'til i hit ^c. This thing has behaved this way since 2.0R (but it worked under linux, yuck). It hasn't really been a problem until now, as I am really close to having convinced all of the linux users here to use FreeBSD for a production sound/graphics platform. And we have thousands of these cards which we will need to use. The card is configured for dma1, irq7. config line looks like this: device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 7 conflicts drq 1 vector sbintr probe looks like this... From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 06:57:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA07303 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:57:44 -0700 Received: from rrnet.com (rrnet.com [198.81.198.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA07297 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:57:42 -0700 Received: from localhost (erich@localhost) by rrnet.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id JAA22971; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:00:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 09:00:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "Eric L. Hernes" Subject: ds0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk what is ds0, i just fetched the -current kernel sources, built and booted a kernel (running on a 0412-snap system). now i get the message bpf: ds0 attached during the probe. is this new, or have I just been overlooking it all along? in either case, what is it used for? eric. -- erich@rrnet.com erich@lodgenet.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 07:23:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA10454 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 07:23:36 -0700 Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA10448 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 07:23:33 -0700 Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.6.11/8.6.10) id JAA02270; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:23:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 09:23:19 -0500 From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199505311423.JAA02270@plains.nodak.edu> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Subject: Re: mcast and sd/vat/wb Content-Length: 392 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I had a simular problem and Bill Fenner (fenner@parc.xerox.com) fixed this problem in the 3.5 release of the mrouted code. Unfortunately, this release was finished after the deadline for 2.0.5. But you can still ftp the the files from: ftp://ftp.parc.xerox.com/pub/net-research/ipmulti/mrouted3.5.tar.gz I do not know if the 3.5 kernel files are still available at this location. --mark. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 07:32:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA11185 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 07:32:03 -0700 Received: from haven.ios.com (haven.ios.com [198.4.75.45]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA11172 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 07:31:56 -0700 Received: (from rashid@localhost) by haven.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA24385 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:34:38 -0400 From: "Rashid Karimov." Message-Id: <199505311434.KAA24385@haven.ios.com> Subject: Smooth upgrade to 2.0.5 from latest SNAP - HOW ? To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 10:34:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 763 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi there folx, Will the ususal scheme with untarring bin/kernel src/recompiling play as it used to be ? Are there any significant changes in the FS formats ( I've heard about table of bad blocks - is this new ? Will the old FS work in this case ? )... I have already 2 FreeBSD servers with total of 4.000 accounts , so that's really important for me ( anyways, the systems have 1-2G primary HDD with the system itself, and 4G secondary with user partitions , so probably I'll be able to get new 1G SCSI , install the system and all apps on it and just swap the disks, so the downtime will be some 5 minutes ). And final question - those lucky guys who already installed the new system - WHAT about QUOTAs ???? Does IT WORK ? ? ? Rashid From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 07:33:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA11431 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 07:33:35 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA11416 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 07:33:31 -0700 Message-Id: <199505311433.HAA11416@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com (Frank Durda IV) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with 2.0.5-Alpha In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 May 95 08:40:00 CDT." Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 07:33:31 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Are you configuring ANY swap on these systems? There must be some or the install will fail (or so I believe). >I have two existing systems that were running SNAP-0412 without incident >that I have tried to install 2.0.5-Alpha on. This has been a failure. > >The system is a DEC 1027, also known as a GRid 433, also known as a >Tandy 4833, also, well you get the idea. > >These are 486DX-33 systems, with external cache modules, 8Meg RAM, >a single 540 IDE drive. No SCSI, CD-ROMs removed, WD8013 network >card (0x2, 0x280, 0xd400), standard COM1, COM2, LPT1 and nothing else. >OAK or WDC VGA adapters, depending on the machine. > >With 8Meg present (what they have had for months), I note on the F2 screen >that dozens of processes are aborting with: > > Process 402 Killed by vm_pageout -- out of swap > >The installation appears to be working although many help files appear >missing. I expected some to be missing, but not all - the true error >may be a killed process rather than a missing file. > >Anyway, the installation gets to "Making device files" and just >sits there forever. I suspect it didn't actually make file systems >as that step reportedly took about one second. > >I halted the system and added memory from an identical system, bringing >it up to 12 Meg thinking the additional RAM might avoid the swap >altogether. But now the system starts up: > > Booting the kernelel...done (yes, it is displayed that way) > BIOS basemem (639K) != RTC basemem (640K) > >and it just hangs at this point. > >So I tried 4Meg, as the system is supposed to work with just 4Meg. >The system also hangs after the BIOS BASEMEM message. So I returned >to 8Meg memory size and it boots but by monitoring screen 2 it is obvious >it is killing processes left and right, starting with process 6. > >Then I switched to 16Meg. It also hangs. But if I move the same >plug-in memory board loaded with the 16Meg on it to the second machine, >that system gets a trap when booting 2.0.5-Alpha: > > Booting the kernel > BIOS basemem (639K) != RTC basemem (640K) > Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode > fault virtual address = 0x1c > fault code = supervisor read, page not present > instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0186235 > code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b, gran 1 > processor eflags = resume, IOPL=0 > current process = 0 () > interrupt mask = net tty bio > panic: page fault > hit reset please > >This is 100% reproducible on one system and doesn't seem to happen >on the other. The only difference was that the machine that paniced >had video shadowing disabled in the BIOS. > >Again, both these systems ran 1.1.5.1, and all the SNAPs since February >and have been used for numerous "make worlds" without incident. The >system with the panic hasn't had its hard disk wiped yet, so after >the panic, I simply let the system boot the last snap from hard disk >and it ran fine with no hardware changes at all with the 16Meg present. > >So with 2.0.5-Alpha, neither system runs at all unless exactly 8Meg >is present and it gets out of swap errors with 8Meg present. > > >Constructive suggestions are welcome and I'll be happy to try any >experiments to resolve this. > >Fastest address is uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com > >Frank Durda IV |"The Knights who say "LETNi" >or uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com (Fastest Route)| demand... A SEGMENT REGISTER!!! >" >...letni!rwsys!nemesis!uhclem |"A what?" >...decvax!fw.ast.com!nemesis!uhclem |"LETNi! LETNi! LETNi!" - 1983 > -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 07:38:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA11939 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 07:38:09 -0700 Received: from mpp.com (dialup-4-53.gw.umn.edu [128.101.96.53]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA11927 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 07:38:05 -0700 Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mpp.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA02395; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:35:06 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard Message-Id: <199505311435.JAA02395@mpp.com> Subject: Re: Boot disks insane? To: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (House of Debuggin') Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 09:35:06 -0500 (CDT) Cc: imp@village.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505310445.AAA00304@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> from "House of Debuggin'" at May 31, 95 00:45:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 382 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Anyway, I can't boot root.flp, and its size is quite odd (392,704 > > bytes) Should these have been .gz? Or am I just immagining things and > > need to refetch them? Maybe the root floppy should be called something else to avoid confusion? utils.flp? tools.flp? -- Mike Pritchard pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu "Go that way. Really fast. If something gets in your way, turn" From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 07:58:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA13885 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 07:58:47 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA13869 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 07:58:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199505311458.HAA13869@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA02956; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:58:30 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: Re: PCI Probe's To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 10:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505310618.XAA29899@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at May 30, 95 11:18:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 416 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > All PCI 2.0 compliant systems have protected mode 32 bit PCI services located > in the end of addressable memory. So do you have any idea then why on a Compaq the PCI bus probe returns absolutely nothing, even though there are cards present, and the BIOS sees them just fine? -crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 08:34:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA16392 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:34:14 -0700 Received: from bigdipper.iagi.net (bigdipper.iagi.net [198.6.14.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA16381 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:34:11 -0700 Received: (from adhir@localhost) by bigdipper.iagi.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA08508; Wed, 31 May 1995 11:28:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 11:28:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Alok K. Dhir" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: On the install procedure In-Reply-To: <20621.801887481@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I have a couple of comments about the install: 1. During any extraction processes, one has to sit there and wait with nothing to do. It would be nice if on the Alt-F2 screen the untar/ungzipping would be done verbosely so that one could watch the various filenames go zipping by. That's much easier to sit through than a static screen and a churning disk. This should be pretty easy to do I suspect. 2. It would be nice if tzsetup would either set your CMOS clock to GMT for you, or at least tell you what the heck to set it to based on your timezone. It took me a while to figure out what the heck GMT was so I could set the CMOS clock to it. 3. The sysinstall asked me twice what my net info was, and still didn't retain it. Once during package retrieval when I told it to get them via FTP. Again after the install to set up some basic files. Yet when it rebooted, I was still using myname.mydomain.com. It didn't change until I went through sysconfig and changed it myself. I think the only place it added my host info was to the hosts file. Can't think of anything else offhand. It is basically an excellent install - easier than any other Unix I've installed (Linux, UnixWare, NextStep, OSF/1 3.2 (on an Alpha)). I think the FTP install is a great idea. Congrats, BTW. 2.0.5 (close enough anyway, I'm running a SUP of about 5/25/95) is rock solid - as solid, in fact, as our old 1.1.5.1 box. Yep, I said old - I've updated it to FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-19950528 and it is working great! (knocking on wood) Alok K. Dhir Internet Access Group, Inc. adhir@iagi.net (301) 652-0484 Fax: (301) 652-0649 http://www.iagi.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 08:34:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA16467 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:34:55 -0700 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA16456 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:34:53 -0700 Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA29970; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:31:48 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199505311531.KAA29970@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: mailing lists To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 10:31:47 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jmb@kryten.atinc.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505301827.MAA01775@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at May 30, 95 12:27:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > : unfortunately, there just does not appear to be that much overlap > : in addresses. even an isp like netcom only shows 9 addresses out of the > : 527 current subscribed to hackers ;( ( 527??? now bad, huh? ;) > > Would it make sense to find 10 sites that can handle forwarding 50 > messages each to other sites near them? That way freefall gets a > break and only has to send 10 messages for each one that comes in > (plus, say, the people that are local to freefall). I'm already handling it for several Milwaukee users. I can probably take on a dozen more, but 50 might be a lot (too many). ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 08:41:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA17092 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:41:52 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA17086 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:41:51 -0700 Received: from gratiano.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.55]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14670(3)>; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:40:03 PDT Received: from localhost by gratiano.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177863>; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:40:00 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: James Binkley cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Van Jacobson releases vat/sd/wb for linux In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 29 May 95 10:42:08 PDT." <199505291742.KAA22513@sirius.cs.pdx.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 08:39:50 PDT From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <95May31.084000pdt.177863@gratiano.parc.xerox.com> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message <199505291742.KAA22513@sirius.cs.pdx.edu> you write: >Anything that could be done to get them to make vat/sd/wb binaries >for freebsd? The BSD/OS binaries that they release work just fine (barring some audio driver problems, which are a FreeBSD problem). Bill From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 08:43:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA17221 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:43:06 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA17215 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:43:05 -0700 Received: from gratiano.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.55]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14720(6)>; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:41:23 PDT Received: from localhost by gratiano.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177863>; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:41:15 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: vat In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 29 May 95 11:47:07 PDT." <199505291847.LAA01573@netcom14.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 08:41:11 PDT From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <95May31.084115pdt.177863@gratiano.parc.xerox.com> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message <199505291847.LAA01573@netcom14.netcom.com> you write: >Yeap, instant constant flame... Flaming is about the best way to get Van to completely ignore you. Bill From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 08:50:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA17869 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:50:30 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA17283 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:43:48 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA13030; Wed, 31 May 95 17:43:08 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id RAA01837; Wed, 31 May 1995 17:55:55 +0200 Message-Id: <199505311555.RAA01837@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: mcast and sd To: seki@sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp (Masahiro SEKIGUCHI) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 17:55:55 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) In-Reply-To: <9505311154.AA12666@seki.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp> from "Masahiro SEKIGUCHI" at May 31, 95 08:54:27 pm From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1544 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > >MOZART > >opens sd > >opens a new session > > > >BLUES (runs mrouted connected to MBONE) > >opens sd (mozarts' session does not show up) > >opens a new session > >MOZART immediately after that sees the session on blues > > If this is the exact order you did, there is nothing strange at all. > > Try creating another session on MOZART when sd is running on BLUES. > It will immediately shown on sd on BLUES. In fact, it does not appear on BLUES. I don't see any session at all on BLUES (the machine running mrouted to the MBONE). I just got an interesting hint from Mark Tinguely and I'm trying to track it. > > Or, if you just wait 5 minutes or more, the "missing" session will be > shown on BLUES. It did not show in half an hour. > > It is a normal behaviour of sd. > > If an sd creates a new session, it sends packets to notify a session > is alive. The packet is sent either (1) immediately after the session > is created, or (2) every 5 minutes. So, when you start sd, you have to > wait max. 5 minutes before the sd shows all pre-existing sessions. > > It may be hard to recognize this behaviour, since sd plays a trick > with the file ~/.sd_cache to reduce the delay. > > Please verify the above scenario. I believe presence of mrouted is > irrelevant. > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950531 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0531 #0: Wed May 31 06:16:35 MET DST 1995 root@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 08:55:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA18177 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:55:59 -0700 Received: from dns.netvision.net.il (root@dns.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA18164 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:55:56 -0700 Received: from Burka.NetVision.net.il (root@Burka.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.15]) by dns.netvision.net.il (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA19018; Wed, 31 May 1995 18:56:16 +0300 Received: (from gena@localhost) by Burka.NetVision.net.il (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA05304; Wed, 31 May 1995 19:06:56 +0300 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 19:06:56 +0300 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.1 Beta on FreeBSD From: Gennady Sorokopud To: "Eric L. Hernes" Subject: RE: sound blaster driver Cc: , Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I also noticed this strange behavior. If i disable lpt0 (it's also on irq 7) the problem disappears. Moving SB to another IRQ will also solve the problem. Seems like there is something fishy in the "conflicts" stuff... In message Eric L. Hernes writes: > >I'm having a bit of a problem with a sound-blaster card that i have here. >It's an ancient 8-bit model. The card is recognized at bootup, but when >I cat somefile.au >/dev/audion, the first chunk of the sound file plays and >then just hangs, 'til i hit ^c. > >This thing has behaved this way since 2.0R (but it worked under linux, yuck). >It hasn't really been a problem until now, as I am really close to having >convinced all of the linux users here to use FreeBSD for a production >sound/graphics platform. And we have thousands of these cards which we >will need to use. > >The card is configured for dma1, irq7. > >config line looks like this: >device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 7 conflicts drq 1 vector sbintr > >probe looks like this... > > Gena | gena@NetVision.net.il | finger gena@NetVision.net.il for more info | | Date: 05/31/95 | Time: 19:05:01 | | This message was sent by XF-Mail From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 09:08:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA19075 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:08:19 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA19047 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:08:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199505311608.JAA19047@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA06280; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:08:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 12:08:11 -0400 From: Charles Henrich To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: mailing lists X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #10 (NOV) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Im currently gating the mailing lists (all of em) into local newsgroups here at MSU, they are one-way only and have a boiler plate stuck on the end of each one to make that clear. I could easily feed other folks these pseudo-newsgroups which should reduce the direct-mailing load quite a bit. I feed news to australia directly, so they get the stuff within minutes of the time I get it, im also connected to many major usenet hubc. Basically I see most everything within an hour of a post. This could go a long way to easing the load (not to mention I dont know how the hell you folks deal with getting 15 different mailling lists worth of data piling up in your mailbox, it would make me go mad!) -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 09:09:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA19321 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:09:20 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA19263 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:09:00 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43359>; Wed, 31 May 1995 18:06:41 +0200 Received: (from jhs@localhost) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA20867 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 31 May 1995 17:03:01 +0200 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 17:03:01 +0200 From: Julian Howard Stacey Message-Id: <199505311503.RAA20867@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Here is a Csh script to Index which CTM updates affect which source files. Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Here is a small script to Index which CTM updates affect which source files. I wrote it to help me hunt a bug in groff (subject of an adjacent mail). ( To pre-empt anyone else asking me "what is CTM ?" ... see 2.0 CD-ROM filesys/usr/src/usr.sbin/ctm ) Share & Enjoy --- Julian Stacey Tel. +49 89 268616. Fax Modem: 2608126 http://www.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de/people/jhs.html -------------- #!/bin/csh # ctm_index by jhs@freebsd.org # Index which CTM updates affect which source files. # Useful when faced with the question: # Which CTM patches changed src/bin/something/main.c ? # for when something is broken, & one wants to recover a previous # version from an older CTM version, whose CTM number is not known. # Output Example: # /pub/freebsd/ctm/src-cur/index.rest.gz: # gnu/usr.bin/man/makewhatis/makewhatis.perl 0472 # gnu/usr.bin/man/makewhatis/makewhatis.perl 0467 # See Also: man (5) ctm cd /pub/freebsd/ctm foreach j ( src-cur ports-cur src-cvs ports-cvs ) pushd $j/deltas >& /dev/null zgrep '^CTMF[MSNR]' * | \ sed -e "s/$j.//" | \ sed -e 's/.gz:CTMF[MSNR]//' | \ uniq | \ awk '{print $2,$1;}' | \ grep -v '^.ctm_status' | \ sort -r \ > ../index popd >& /dev/null end pushd src-cur >& /dev/null grep " 0372R20" index > index.base grep -v " 0372R20" index > index.rest rm index gzip -f index* popd >& /dev/null pushd ports-cur >& /dev/null grep " 0249A" index > index.base grep -v " 0249A" index > index.rest rm index gzip -f index* popd >& /dev/null --------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 09:10:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA19472 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:10:04 -0700 Received: from crash.ops.neosoft.com (root@crash.ops.NeoSoft.COM [198.64.212.50]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA19464 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:10:03 -0700 Received: (from smace@localhost) by crash.ops.neosoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) id LAA02774 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 31 May 1995 11:08:53 -0500 From: Scott Mace Message-Id: <199505311608.LAA02774@crash.ops.neosoft.com> Subject: vat with -current? To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 11:08:52 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 62 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Does have vat working with -current FreeBSD? Thanks, Scott From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 09:12:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA19841 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:12:06 -0700 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA19829 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:12:04 -0700 Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id LAA00176; Wed, 31 May 1995 11:10:41 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199505311610.LAA00176@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: mailing lists To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 11:10:40 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jmb@kryten.atinc.com, hsu@freefall.cdrom.com, jfieber@cs.smith.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9505302030.AA11943@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at May 30, 95 02:30:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > On the other hand, Linux currently runs a private newsgroup heirarchy > for their lists (instead of mailing them) and it's possible that that > would be a better soloution at this level of complexity. This could be an ideal distribution medium between "distribution points": nntplinks are trivial to set up, and the flood fill paradigm tends to ensure that a message will reach all points as soon as possible. Note that I am advocating using this as a _distribution_ medium. I am not advocating making all the mailing lists available via Usenet (although I would _also_ like to see this), nor am I advocating the retirement of the mailing lists. I am purely suggesting an efficient, more reliable "backbone" distribution method that would provide a foundation for a very resilient, very fast distributed mail list system. Before people start bitching about "Usenet delays" and crud, let me point out that it is quite possible to run a "mini-feed" that would handle *ONLY* FreeBSD list traffic (probably on top of some large news server). This could be quite efficient. Small example: you have three distribution sites in the U.S. Maybe cdrom.com, mu.edu, and xyz.org. Each of these sites configures their news servers to handle an additional "freebsd.*" hierarchy. Each of them opens an nntplink to the other two, feeding JUST this hierarchy. Now, two of the sites also nntplink to the regional exploder in England, two nntplink to the regional exploder in Germany, and two nntplink to Japan. Japan and England nntplink, Japan and Russia link, and Germany and Russia link. (I think that makes everybody with redundant connections, if not, keep going until it is so). All links are two-way. Real world solution is obviously somewhat larger in scale. Each Usenet spool pulls messages from the Usenet groups, and forwards it to the local mail hub (maybe the same machine), which then proceeds to mail it to the regional members of the group. Now, the Usenet groups would be private - they would be purely for intersite transit, to assure redundancy. You can get rid of all the news<->mail gateway assumptions by doing this (encapsulate the mail messages, perhaps even uuencode, to deter folks from trying to "use" the groups). This is a nifty way to propagate messages. If there is sufficient interest in doing something like this (it would not be too difficult, technically), I would be interested in setting up and staging a proof-of-concept demo. I have control over two news servers, and presumably we could get cdrom.com to participate.. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 09:23:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA21281 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:23:04 -0700 Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA21261 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:23:01 -0700 Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6) id LAA01279; Wed, 31 May 1995 11:19:39 -0400 From: "House of Debuggin'" Message-Id: <199505311519.LAA01279@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Add NIS config to sysinstall, please To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 11:19:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1433 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Maybe it's really cleverly hidden, but I wasn't able to find a NIS client configuration option in the 'Network Services Configuration' menu. I suggest adding an menu for this. The following steps would be involved: 1) Ask the user for the NIS domain name to use. 2) Put this domain name into /etc/sysconfig 3) Change nisclient_flags in /etc/sysconfig from "NO" to "-s" 4) Add '+:::::::::' to /etc/master.passwd (and rebuild the password database) 5) Add '+:*::' to /etc/group This will turn on basic NIS services. It is also possible to use NIS for /etc/netgroups, /etc/ethers, /etc/bootparams, and of course /etc/hosts if you're really into that sort of thing. For 2.1, I also suggest adding options to turn on and configure rarpd and bootparamd, along with a warning that rarpd requires BPF support in the kernel. Someone will have to add entries to /etc/rc for these services first, of course. :) -Bill -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~T~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Møøse Illuminati: ignore it and be confused, or join it and be confusing! ~~~~~~~~~ FreeBSD 2.1: "We can kick your operating system's ass!" ~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 09:34:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA24209 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:34:48 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA24192 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:34:39 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <194>; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:50:54 -0700 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 09:50:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: -Vince- , Mark Hittinger , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mailing lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 May 1995, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > everyone on a SUN SparcStation 5 on a T3 link on mail.nws.orst.edu since > > there are about 5% transient failures which delays the sending of the > > digest to the rest of the list for a couple hours since even though if > > you did sorting, it will still go out as one sendmail progress. What I > > did was used Keith Moore's bulk_mailer which I put for > > where can i find it. archie failed me and the May archives from > majordomo-users describes how to use it but not how to find it ;( Zmailer supports multiple simultaneous transport agents. If you have the RAM and bandwidth, you can do parallel delivery of hundreds of messages at once. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 09:49:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA27007 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:49:47 -0700 Received: from rrnet.com (rrnet.com [198.81.198.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA26995 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:49:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (erich@localhost) by rrnet.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id LAA28151; Wed, 31 May 1995 11:52:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 11:52:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "Eric L. Hernes" Subject: Re: sound blaster driver To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 May 1995, Eric L. Hernes wrote: oops, looks like that message got chopped. heres the rest of it.. > > I'm having a bit of a problem with a sound-blaster card that i have here. > It's an ancient 8-bit model. The card is recognized at bootup, but when > I cat somefile.au >/dev/audion, the first chunk of the sound file plays and > then just hangs, 'til i hit ^c. > > This thing has behaved this way since 2.0R (but it worked under linux, yuck). > It hasn't really been a problem until now, as I am really close to having > convinced all of the linux users here to use FreeBSD for a production > sound/graphics platform. And we have thousands of these cards which we > will need to use. > > The card is configured for dma1, irq7. > > config line looks like this: > device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 7 conflicts drq 1 vector sbintr > > probe looks like this... > the probe really looks like this From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 09:58:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA28718 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:58:53 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA28705 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:58:50 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA02459; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:58:35 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505311658.JAA02459@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: PCI Probe's To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 09:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505311458.HAA02292@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Charles Henrich" at May 31, 95 10:58:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 588 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > All PCI 2.0 compliant systems have protected mode 32 bit PCI services > > located in the end of addressable memory. > > So do you have any idea then why on a Compaq the PCI bus probe returns > absolutely nothing, even though there are cards present, and the BIOS > sees them just fine? No, I do not know the answer to that, sorry. But then Compaq often does do some funny things. Can you boot -v and see what that says?? -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 10:14:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA00303 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:14:05 -0700 Received: from eureka.gdl.iteso.mx (eureka.gdl.iteso.mx [148.201.131.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA00289 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:13:58 -0700 Received: (from cacho@localhost) by eureka.gdl.iteso.mx (8.6.8/8.6.6) id LAA00884; Wed, 31 May 1995 11:15:43 -0600 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 11:15:42 -0600 (CST) From: Hector Gonzalez Jaime To: Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG cc: phk@ref.tfs.com, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: 2.0.5A FTP problem (ed driver) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I began installing 2.0.5A yesterday (don't laugh, our internet lines are slooowwww) and all was going well, but today I saw some error messages on the screen, something about being unable to extract the xdm-config stuff, and when I checked, the debug screen had these messages ------- 3449 blocks .... 8070 blocks .... 560 blocks .... 6 blocks .... delete net default --------- And then I tried to ping my system, but it is marked as down. I can switch to/from the screens, but I don't think deleting the default network is a good thing at all (specially when downloading the first distribution is such a pain) Is it a problem with the ed driver?, what can I do to help you debug this? Hector From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 10:16:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA00470 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:16:08 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA00464 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:16:07 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id KAA24143; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:16:02 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199505311716.KAA24143@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: FTP Install Problems 2.0.5 ALPHA To: echet@coil.com (Eric Chet) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 10:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505311310.JAA21712@bronze.coil.com> from "Eric Chet" at May 31, 95 09:10:39 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 430 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > and FreeBSD.cdrom.com? I would like to try them direct. > > I did check the ppp " show route " it gives me the proper information > > Provider IP: 198.4.94.1 > My Dynamic IP: 198.4.94.140 You need to fill in the "default router" field too... -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 10:25:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA01351 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:25:49 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA01329 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:25:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199505311725.KAA01329@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA08735; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:25:35 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: Re: PCI Probe's To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 13:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505311658.JAA02459@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at May 31, 95 09:58:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 711 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > So do you have any idea then why on a Compaq the PCI bus probe returns > > absolutely nothing, even though there are cards present, and the BIOS > > sees them just fine? > > No, I do not know the answer to that, sorry. But then Compaq often > does do some funny things. Can you boot -v and see what that > says?? All you get is a Probing PCI Bus Configuration mode 2 supports 16 devices and then its done with PCI. I've put in some debugging in the PCI code, type is always 0xffffffff and it tag.tag is 0, we never see a bridge controller or any other PCI device. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 10:29:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA01762 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:29:35 -0700 Received: from miller.cs.uwm.edu (miller.cs.uwm.edu [129.89.35.13]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA01740 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:29:12 -0700 Received: (from james@localhost) by miller.cs.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) id MAA14338; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:29:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 12:29:09 -0500 From: Jim Lowe Message-Id: <199505311729.MAA14338@miller.cs.uwm.edu> To: erich@rrnet.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sound blaster driver Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > From: "Eric L. Hernes" > Subject: sound blaster driver > > > I cat somefile.au >/dev/audion, the first chunk of the sound file plays and > then just hangs, 'til i hit ^c. > > The card is configured for dma1, irq7. > It looks like the sb is missing the irq somehow. Is you parallel port configured for irq 7 also? -Jim From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 10:57:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA27316 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:51:36 -0700 Received: from star-gate.com (bettina.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA27308 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:51:34 -0700 Received: (from hasty@localhost) by star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA01925 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:40:11 -0700 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 09:40:11 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Message-Id: <199505311640.JAA01925@star-gate.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Van Jacobson releases vat/sd/wb for linux Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message <199505291742.KAA22513@sirius.cs.pdx.edu> you write: >Anything that could be done to get them to make vat/sd/wb binaries >for freebsd? The BSD/OS binaries that they release work just fine (barring some audio driver problems, which are a FreeBSD problem). Bill ---- Cough, Excuse me? Well okay so you don't like what I say. Fine ask someone like Jim Lowe Amancio P.S: Hint it will be nice to have vat interface the sound driver in FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 10:58:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA03118 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:58:46 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA03108 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:58:43 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id NAA09440; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:49:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 13:49:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: mailing lists To: Tom Samplonius cc: -Vince- , Mark Hittinger , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 May 1995, Tom Samplonius wrote: > Zmailer supports multiple simultaneous transport agents. If you have > the RAM and bandwidth, you can do parallel delivery of hundreds of > messages at once. Zmailer is a full sendmail replacement.....rather go with a smaller, more directed package that just speeds up delivery. from the README: - How will it affect my current system? Two programs will be replaced: /usr/lib/sendmail (with a functionality emulator), and /bin/rmail (for completeness). Nothing else will be changed, so it is very easy to back out if you want to. that's a bit more intrusive than i would prefer. but, tom, thanks for the pointer. are you presently using zmailer? and if so which version, i have zmailer2.2.e6.tar.gz here. Vince, HELP!! where is bulk-mailer? jmb Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 11:12:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA03906 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 11:12:01 -0700 Received: from trout.sri.MT.net (trout.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.12]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA03900 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 11:11:56 -0700 Received: (from nate@localhost) by trout.sri.MT.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) id MAA12856; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:09:32 -0600 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 12:09:32 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199505311809.MAA12856@trout.sri.MT.net> In-Reply-To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" "Re: mailing lists" (May 31, 1:49pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , Tom Samplonius Subject: Re: mailing lists Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Zmailer supports multiple simultaneous transport agents. If you have > > the RAM and bandwidth, you can do parallel delivery of hundreds of > > messages at once. > > Zmailer is a full sendmail replacement.....rather go with a > smaller, more directed package that just speeds up delivery. ... FWIW, our ISP recently switched *from* Zmailer back to sendmail after they had lots of problems with it. According to our ISP, Zmailer didn't support things such as aliases, .forward file, and such w/out alot of work and in their environment sendmail was much easier to maintain over the long-term. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 11:25:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA27899 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:54:40 -0700 Received: from rrnet.com (rrnet.com [198.81.198.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA27891 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:54:39 -0700 Received: from localhost (erich@localhost) by rrnet.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id LAA28368; Wed, 31 May 1995 11:57:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 11:57:44 -0500 (CDT) From: "Eric L. Hernes" Subject: Re: sound blaster driver To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 May 1995, Eric L. Hernes wrote: oops, looks like that message got chopped. heres the rest of it.. > > I'm having a bit of a problem with a sound-blaster card that i have here. > It's an ancient 8-bit model. The card is recognized at bootup, but when > I cat somefile.au >/dev/audion, the first chunk of the sound file plays and > then just hangs, 'til i hit ^c. > > This thing has behaved this way since 2.0R (but it worked under linux, yuck). > It hasn't really been a problem until now, as I am really close to having > convinced all of the linux users here to use FreeBSD for a production > sound/graphics platform. And we have thousands of these cards which we > will need to use. > > The card is configured for dma1, irq7. > > config line looks like this: > device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 7 conflicts drq 1 vector sbintr > > probe looks like this... > the probe really looks like this From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 11:37:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA06157 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 11:37:28 -0700 Received: from apollo.hq.nasa.gov (apollo.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.121.87]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA06151 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 11:37:26 -0700 Received: from wirehead.hq.nasa.gov (wirehead.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.121.88]) by apollo.hq.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA03056; Wed, 31 May 1995 18:38:19 GMT Received: from localhost (cshenton@localhost) by wirehead.hq.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA05432; Wed, 31 May 1995 18:38:19 GMT Message-Id: <199505311838.SAA05432@wirehead.hq.nasa.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: wirehead.hq.nasa.gov: cshenton owned process doing -bs X-Authentication-Warning: wirehead.hq.nasa.gov: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mailing lists In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 May 1995 09:27:23 EDT." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <5428.801945498.1@wirehead.hq.nasa.gov> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 14:38:19 -0400 From: Chris Shenton Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 May 1995 09:27:23 -0400 (EDT), "Jonathan M. Bresler" said: Jonathan> On Wed, 31 May 1995, -Vince- wrote: Jonathan> ugh....17 hours, even several hours is just too much We were running a NASA Public affairs list with about 15K users (on SunOS) using MojoDaemon -- er, MajorDomo -- and it was taking days, for the same DNS/SMTP or other transient failures you cite. We manually split the list into 10-20 sublists, and it went out *much* faster, an hour or two. Jonathan> where can i find it [bulk_mailer]. archie failed me and the Jonathan> May archives from majordomo-users describes how to use it Jonathan> but not how to find it ;( I asked around and got some good pointers on comp.mailing-list.software.admin (or whatnot). Most everyone pointed me to smartlist, running on procmail. It is clever enough to automatically slit lists based con criteria like how many sendmails it can run versus speed, etc. It also sounded like it had serious error checking to remove names with hard failures. Never got around to playing with it -- got put on other projects. :-( Jonathan> none of majordomo-workers, majordomo-users or Jonathan> list-managers has a pointer to an ftp site. I understand the MojoDaemon developers are working on being able to parallelize their sends, so that may be available there by now... From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 11:42:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA06722 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 11:42:40 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA06714 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 11:42:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199505311842.LAA06714@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA11723; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:42:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 14:42:35 -0400 From: Charles Henrich To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: mailing lists X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #10 (NOV) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Now, the Usenet groups would be private - they would be purely for intersite transit, to assure redundancy. You can get rid of all the news<->mail gateway assumptions by doing this (encapsulate the mail messages, perhaps even uuencode, to deter folks from trying to "use" the groups). This is a Dont do something assinign like that, as I said in another message I already one-way gateway into newsgroups here at MSU, and its entirely to useful. I can actually read and track ALL of the damn lists with no problem. Users still are forced to email to the list to get posts in, so we cut way down on any garbage noise. A boiler plate is stuck on the end of each message explaining that a post here wont do any good. I've also named the groups lists.freebsd.* so its very apparent whats what. -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 11:46:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA07064 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 11:46:08 -0700 Received: from devnull (devnull.mpd.tandem.com [131.124.4.29]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA07058 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 11:46:06 -0700 Received: from olympus by devnull (8.6.8/8.6.6) id NAA25750; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:45:55 -0500 Received: by olympus (4.1/TSS2.1) id AA26630; Wed, 31 May 95 13:45:53 CDT From: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner) Message-Id: <9505311845.AA26630@olympus> Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: To: agl@mac.glas.apc.org (Anthony Graphics) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 13:45:52 -0500 (CDT) Cc: faulkner@devnull.mpd.tandem.com, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Anthony Graphics" at May 31, 95 11:20:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 887 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > On Tue, 30 May 1995, Boyd Faulkner wrote: > > > > one from the production machine and everything then compiled flawlessly > > > (the processor was stepping 0 however also) > > > AGL > > > > But does it still fail on boot if wt0, mcd0 ans mcd1 are enabled? > > > > Boyd > Haven't checked yet: will check when I'd get a proper {working ;-)} cpu unit, > I guess it won't boot with those devices enabled anyway (and > I do not need them anyway ;-) > AGL > Except that the release boot diskettes come with these puppies enabled. That is how I found out I had the problem. I am borrowing an Intel 486/66 tomorrow so I will be able to test this as well. Boyd -- _______________________________________________________________________ Boyd Faulkner faulkner@isd.tandem.com _______________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 12:06:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA09096 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:06:35 -0700 Received: from rrnet.com (rrnet.com [198.81.198.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA09088 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:06:33 -0700 Received: from localhost (erich@localhost) by rrnet.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id OAA02282; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:09:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 14:09:40 -0500 (CDT) From: "Eric L. Hernes" Subject: Re: sound blaster driver To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk ok, i've got the soundblaster working now!! sorry about the chopped messages, my providor's disk was full :( I believe that this officially constitutes as a nail in the Linux coffin (as far as Lodgenet is concerned!) eric. -- erich@rrnet.com erich@lodgenet.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 12:26:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA12589 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:26:46 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA12560 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:26:35 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <208>; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:43:09 -0700 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 12:42:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Nate Williams cc: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mailing lists In-Reply-To: <199505311809.MAA12856@trout.sri.MT.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 May 1995, Nate Williams wrote: > FWIW, our ISP recently switched *from* Zmailer back to sendmail after > they had lots of problems with it. According to our ISP, Zmailer didn't > support things such as aliases, .forward file, and such w/out alot of > work and in their environment sendmail was much easier to maintain over > the long-term. Competely bogus. Zmailer supports aliases. Zmailer has special security consisderations for .forward files, but you can override them so they work just like Sendmail. Unless, you speak sendmail.cf as as a second-language, Zmailer will be easier to configure. However, Zmailer isn't without problems, but those certainly aren't them. Main problem is some weirdness in the scheduler of versions 2.99.X that cause it to generate bogus error messages. Either use 2.2e6, or 2.99.14 with a scheduler from an earlier version. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 12:48:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA15705 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:48:22 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA15200 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:44:07 -0700 Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA00479 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:44:12 -0700 Received: from ast.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQysdi12142; Wed, 31 May 1995 15:42:17 -0400 Received: from trsvax.fw.ast.com (fw.ast.com) by ast.com with SMTP id AA20482 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for uunet!freebsd.org!current); Wed, 31 May 1995 12:42:34 -0700 Received: by trsvax.fw.ast.com (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.1) id ; Wed, 31 May 95 14:43 CDT Received: by nemesis.lonestar.org (Smail3.1.27.1 #18) id m0sGtI2-0004w1C; Wed, 31 May 95 14:18 CDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 May 95 14:18 CDT To: gibbs@freefall.cdrom.com From: uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com (Frank Durda IV) Sent: Wed May 31 1995, 14:18:49 CDT Subject: Re: Problems with 2.0.5-Alpha Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [1]Justin T. Gibbs writes: [1]Are you configuring ANY swap on these systems? There must be some or [1]the install will fail (or so I believe). This is all running from the boot floppy, not from hard disk. We haven't gotten far enough to use the hard disk when things die. In 2.0.5-Alpha, do you have to partition the floppy now or do something more exotic than dd if=boot.flp of=/dev/rfd0a bs=9k to make the boot floppy? Swap partition on floppies? (If this is needed it should be in the .flp image.) Note I can remove the hard disk drive completely (and set BIOS accordingly) and the systems will still hang with 4, 12 or 16 Meg present on one machine, and the other machine will hang with 4 or 12 meg, and panic on boot with 16 Meg present. With 8 Meg, both systems will boot but constantly are killing processes due to out-of-swap, which the install hasn't created yet. Again, both machines were running SNAP 0420 just fine and had both run SNAPs since February without incident. They also ran 1.1.5.1 fine. FYI, I tried to define the hard drive on one of the two systems as follows: 60 Meg existing DOS partition /dos 35 Meg root / 32 Meg swap ~410Meg /usr But as I mentioned, I don't think the install process actually made filesystems and it certainly never booted from the hard disk, so I doubt any swap space on the hard disk was ever accessed. I brought the 2.0.5-Alpha boot disk into work and have found two more different models that boot from floppy OK on 0420 SNAP but hang or act goofy on 2.0.5-Alpha, so this is serious. Frank Durda IV From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 12:49:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA15871 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:49:31 -0700 Received: from haven.ios.com (haven.ios.com [198.4.75.45]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA15855 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:49:27 -0700 Received: (from rashid@localhost) by haven.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA18450 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 31 May 1995 15:51:36 -0400 From: "Rashid Karimov." Message-Id: <199505311951.PAA18450@haven.ios.com> Subject: SCSI tape at target 1 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 15:51:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 293 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi there, With what options should I compile the kernel to have support for the SCSI tape at target 1 ? The tape is recognized at the system boot by the kernel .... I've enabled "device st0" and st1 already ... What will be the device name ? /dev/rst1 ? /dev/rst0 ? Thank you From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 12:55:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA16624 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:55:41 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA16606 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:55:39 -0700 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 15:55:22 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: Mark Hittinger , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mailing lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 May 1995, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > On Wed, 31 May 1995, -Vince- wrote: > > > > this should speed up mailing list processing > > > > > > > Actually, that wouldn't speed it up much. I'm running several > > mailing lists and digests with 5000+ users and with that approach, since > > it goes out as one sendmail process, each transient failure will delay the > > rest of the list for 5 to 10 minutes. For example, I am running the GUS > > Daily Digest and that list has 2000+ users with the digest size being > > 20-30k once a day it goes out, it will take 17 hours to finish sending to > > ugh....17 hours, even several hours is just too much > Yeah, it's because all the transient failures are slowing down the sendmail since it goes as one process.. > > everyone on a SUN SparcStation 5 on a T3 link on mail.nws.orst.edu since > > there are about 5% transient failures which delays the sending of the > > digest to the rest of the list for a couple hours since even though if > > you did sorting, it will still go out as one sendmail progress. What I > > did was used Keith Moore's bulk_mailer which I put for > > where can i find it. archie failed me and the May archives from > majordomo-users describes how to use it but not how to find it ;( > > none of majordomo-workers, majordomo-users or list-managers has a > pointer to an ftp site. > > a pointer to an ftp site, PLEASE! :)) > It was in the April archives for list-managers and here's the info from Keith Moore: From: Keith Moore Subject: Re: Bulk_mailer? Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 01:51:21 -0400 > > I use Keith Moore's "bulk_mailer" program. It takes a list of > > addresses, a message file, sorts the address list by domain, splits > > the list up so that N domains appear in each section of addresses, > > and starts a sendmail for each one. > This sounds really useful - where can it be found? look in ftp://cs.utk.edu/pub/moore/email/ for files bulk_mailer.{c,README,Makefile} No warranty, but if people tell me about bugs I'll try to fix them. One gotcha: if the message doesn't have a To: header, sendmail will add an Apparently-To header for every address in the envelope. (Someday I'll fix bulk_mailer to add a dummy To: header if one is missing.) Keith Moore > what's the best format of a 'dummy' header to use when sending > bulk mail ? I like to add: To: undisclosed-recipients:; It fulfills the RFC 822 requirement, and fools sendmail into not generating the Apparently-To header. Some sendmail configs will (incorrectly) try to rewrite the address, but that doesn't usually cause problems. (And when it does, it only causes problems for sites downstream from the broken mailer). Keith Moore From: Keith Moore Subject: Re: Bulk_mailer? Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 21:47:27 -0400 Okay, I hacked my bulk_mailer program to add a To: undisclosed-recipients:; header to any message which lacks a To, Cc, or Bcc header. More general header-munging would be nice, but probably goes in a separate program. ftp://cs.utk.edu/pub/moore/email/bulk_mailer.* -- Keith Moore http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ Computer Science Dept. / Univ of Tenn / 107 Ayres Hall / Knoxville TN 37996 > how did you solve the problem of two copies of each messages > being sent to everyone? > Hmmm, it only did that the first time I ran it but afterwards, it went smoothly. Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD - Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 12:57:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA16950 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:57:46 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA16941 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:57:44 -0700 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 15:57:31 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: Tom Samplonius cc: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , Mark Hittinger , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mailing lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 May 1995, Tom Samplonius wrote: > > On Wed, 31 May 1995, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > > everyone on a SUN SparcStation 5 on a T3 link on mail.nws.orst.edu since > > > there are about 5% transient failures which delays the sending of the > > > digest to the rest of the list for a couple hours since even though if > > > you did sorting, it will still go out as one sendmail progress. What I > > > did was used Keith Moore's bulk_mailer which I put for > > > > where can i find it. archie failed me and the May archives from > > majordomo-users describes how to use it but not how to find it ;( > > Zmailer supports multiple simultaneous transport agents. If you have > the RAM and bandwidth, you can do parallel delivery of hundreds of > messages at once. > > Tom > Hmmm, How much RAM is needed and is this anything like SmartMailer that people are also using? Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD - Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 13:07:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA18379 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:07:11 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA18362 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:07:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com (Frank Durda IV), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with 2.0.5-Alpha In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 May 95 07:33:31 PDT." <199505311433.HAA11416@freefall.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 13:07:07 -0700 Message-ID: <18361.801950827@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Are you configuring ANY swap on these systems? There must be some or > the install will fail (or so I believe). He'd have to be - the install won't let you proceed without it. Perhaps the amount of swap is too _small_?? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 13:20:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA20474 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:20:58 -0700 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA20446 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:20:48 -0700 Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id PAA00965; Wed, 31 May 1995 15:19:58 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199505312019.PAA00965@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: mailing lists To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 15:19:57 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505311842.LAA06714@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Charles Henrich" at May 31, 95 02:42:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Dont do something assinign like that, as I said in another message I already > one-way gateway into newsgroups here at MSU, and its entirely to useful. I can > actually read and track ALL of the damn lists with no problem. Users still are > forced to email to the list to get posts in, so we cut way down on any garbage > noise. A boiler plate is stuck on the end of each message explaining that a > post here wont do any good. > > I've also named the groups lists.freebsd.* so its very apparent whats what. You missed the whole point. NOBODY is discussing Usenet. I am suggesting the use of a transport mechanism for communications between regional mail hubs. I have a transport mechanism which provides redundancy and fault tolerance in a distributed environment. We can use it to allow the mail hubs to pass their messages back and forth in a reliable fashion. It just happens to be the netnews mechanism. Use of the netnews mechanism to provide internodal communications does not imply a "one way gateway into newsgroups" or any other such stuff. All of which is totally independent of the point I am trying to make and apparently flew right over everybody's head. I want to move data from Point A to Point B. I choose to use pre-existing tools and technology, much the way Hesiod is piggybacked on DNS, and decide to encode and encapsulate my data within a standard netnews posting. I post the article. Since it is encoded (uuencoded, perhaps), nobody can make sense of it. It is in a "private" hierarchy, anyways. Because I've set up a few high speed nntplinks, I can "flood" my little mini-news-transport system fairly quickly (maybe 3 or 4 hops from the US to Moscow), and rapidly transmit messages around the globe. Each regional mail hub then snags these messages and redistributes them to the regional members of the list. This has nothing, nada, no connection with Usenet - other than the fact that it is probably piggybacked on top of a small number of existing Usenet spools, since that's probably more convenient to do. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 13:22:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA20717 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:22:42 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA20688 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:22:34 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA08394; Wed, 31 May 1995 22:21:58 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA29076 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 31 May 1995 22:21:58 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA08280 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 31 May 1995 22:18:42 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199505312018.WAA08280@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Anyone built a config -g'd kernel lately? To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 22:18:42 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505282256.XAA11927@bagpuss.demon.co.uk> from "Karl Strickland" at May 28, 95 11:56:21 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 777 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Karl Strickland wrote: > > I tried to build a -current kernel (src about 4 days old) with config -g, > and it reboots almost immediately on startup, it doesnt even finish printing > the 'text=xxxxx, data=xxxx bla bla bla' line. (I did a strip -x on the > newly installed kernel). There's an open PR (from me) for this. Somebody suspected "strip" to be the offender, but it seems that there are more bugs. By now, you're apparantly not able to boot a stripped kernel at all. You have to boot it unstripped, which leads to a ~ 7 MB kernel causing a 16 MB machine being not able to boot multi-user (due to insufficient memory). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 13:26:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA21607 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:26:36 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA21580 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:26:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "House of Debuggin'" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Add NIS config to sysinstall, please In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 May 95 11:19:34 EDT." <199505311519.LAA01279@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 13:26:27 -0700 Message-ID: <21573.801951987@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Maybe it's really cleverly hidden, but I wasn't able to find a NIS client > configuration option in the 'Network Services Configuration' menu. > I suggest adding an menu for this. The following steps would be involved: Um. I thought about this and decided "2.1". It's just not something I have time for at the moment - sorry! Jordna From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 13:27:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA21773 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:27:51 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA21742 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:27:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 16:27:21 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: Tom Samplonius , Mark Hittinger , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mailing lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 May 1995, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > On Wed, 31 May 1995, -Vince- wrote: > > > > Vince, HELP!! where is bulk-mailer? > > > > It's at: ftp://cs.utk.edu/pub/moore/email/bulk_mailer.* > > Let me know what difference in sending time you see. > > i got it here in my hot little hands now :)))))) Oh good to hear that! :) Anyways, do you know where I can get that zmailer thing so I'll keep it in mind should I ever need it like I was going to replace sendmail . Also, I meant SmartList was what some people were using and not SmartMailer... Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD - Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 13:30:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA22098 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:30:03 -0700 Received: from locust.cic.net (pauls@locust.cic.net [192.131.22.8]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA22076 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:29:50 -0700 Received: (from pauls@localhost) by locust.cic.net (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id QAA06005; Wed, 31 May 1995 16:29:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 16:29:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Southworth To: Nate Williams cc: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , Tom Samplonius , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mailing lists In-Reply-To: <199505311809.MAA12856@trout.sri.MT.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 May 1995, Nate Williams wrote: > FWIW, our ISP recently switched *from* Zmailer back to sendmail after > they had lots of problems with it. According to our ISP, Zmailer didn't > support things such as aliases, .forward file, and such w/out alot of > work and in their environment sendmail was much easier to maintain over > the long-term. There is periodic discussion about this on comp.mail.sendmail. From what I've seen, a lot of sites are switching back to sendmail v8 from zmailer, and a lot of them are doing it for reasons of load handling (and a number of them were very large sites). --Paul From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 14:01:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA28961 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:01:34 -0700 Received: from gordius.gordian.com (gordius.gordian.com [192.73.220.81]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA28583 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:59:45 -0700 Received: from hermes (hermes.gordian.com [192.73.220.111]) by gordius.gordian.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA25186; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:59:14 -0700 Received: by hermes (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for @gordius.gordian.com:hackers@freebsd.org id AA18474; Wed, 31 May 95 13:59:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 31 May 95 13:59:13 -0700 From: steve@gordian.com (Steve Khoo) Message-Id: <9505312059.AA18474@hermes> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: problem Installing 2.0.5-ALPHA/XFree86 3.1.1u1 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk - Setup - 486DX2/66 Adaptec 1542CF 1.5GB DEC SCSI-II Installation via NFS from SGI server running IRIX5.2 Installing 'Everything' with all XFree86 options - problem - 1) Installation attempted to install 'customizable xdm runtime configuration file' but didn't find the package 'X311xdmcf'. Instead, the XF86311 directory contains 'X311xdcf.tgz'. 2) System hangs during installation of 'X311xicf'. 3) System hangs during installation of 'X311pex'. SEK -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve E. Khoo Gordian Systems Manager 20361 Irvine Ave Internet: steve@gordian.com Santa Ana Heights, CA 92707 Phone: (714)850-0205 FAX: (714)850-0533 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 14:13:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA00783 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:13:21 -0700 Received: from karon.dynas.se (karon.dynas.se [192.71.43.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA00745 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:13:09 -0700 Received: from spirit.dynas.se by karon.dynas.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0sGv4P-000EUhC; Wed, 31 May 95 23:12:53 +0200 Received: by spirit.dynas.se (Smail3.1.28.1 #32) id m0sGv4P-000JgDC; Wed, 31 May 95 23:12:53 +0200 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 23:12:53 +0200 (MET DST) From: Mikael Hybsch To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 2.0.5-ALPHA installation hangs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I'm trying to install 2.0.5 from a DOS partition. If I tell sysinstall to get the distribution from a DOS partition it asks which one (I have 2, on different disks). Later when it tries to mount the dos partition it always fails. (I don't remember the error message now). Anyway, The other way I tried was to instead ask it to mount my dos partition in the Labeling menu, and to tell it to get the distribution from a mounted filesystem. This works, but (now comes the real problem) after unpacking root.flp, the last message on screen 2 is something like "DEBUG: Preparing /etc/fstab". Then nothing more happends. If I go to screen 4 there is a zero size /etc/fstab. If I press ^C I can choose to abort and reboot. I have tried some different configurations but it always stops in the same place. -- Mikael Hybsch Email: micke@dynas.se DynaSoft, Dynamic Software AB Phone: +46-8-615 84 00 Hammarby Fabriksv 13, Box 92058 Fax: +46-8-641 92 00 S-120 06 STOCKHOLM, SWEDEN From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 14:18:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA17167 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:59:28 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA17159 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:59:27 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id MAA24678; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:59:18 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199505311959.MAA24678@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: SCSI tape at target 1 To: rashid@haven.ios.com (Rashid Karimov.) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 12:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505311951.PAA18450@haven.ios.com> from "Rashid Karimov." at May 31, 95 03:51:35 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 478 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk by default the first scsi tape found is st0 the second is st1, etc... It will find them whatever ID you put them on.. in increasing ID order. julian > > Hi there, > > > With what options should I compile the kernel > to have support for the SCSI tape at target 1 ? > The tape is recognized at the system boot by > the kernel .... I've enabled "device st0" and st1 > already ... > > What will be the device name ? /dev/rst1 ? /dev/rst0 ? > > > Thank you > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 14:26:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA02405 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:26:17 -0700 Received: from news.rim.or.jp (news.rim.or.jp [202.255.181.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA02387 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:26:10 -0700 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news.rim.or.jp (8.6.10+2.4W/3.3W-rim1.0) with UUCP id GAA13317; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 06:26:01 +0900 Received: from us.and.or.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by us.and.or.jp (8.6.11/3.3W8) with ESMTP id GAA08136; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 06:18:29 +0900 Message-Id: <199505312118.GAA08136@us.and.or.jp> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Masahiro SEKIGUCHI , FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Japanese documents for 2.0.5? In-reply-to: ""Jordan K. Hubbard""'s message of "Tue, 30 May 1995 22:38:14 MST." <18207.801898694@freefall.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 06:18:28 +0900 From: NIIMI Satoshi Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I tried the boot floppy of 2.0.5-ALPHA. The sysinstall menu for > > Language had a selection for "Japanese (Romaji)", but all documents > > shown under the selection was English. > > Only the "Usage" document is in Romaji for 2.0.5A. I've since received > a README and will probably get most of the other documents translated for > 2.0.5R. Satoshi Niimi is doing most of the translation work, but if he > needs help with it then I'm sure he'd be happy to take you up on your > offer! Satoshi? The documantation and translation are still in progress (at least for me). I translated documents only which are sent to me directly from Jordan. I thought other documents might be change so I didn't check them. > > I remember there was a discussion on Japanese messages for sysinstall. > > I don't remember any conclusion, however. (I was so busy then.) I > > also remember there was a call for translators of various languages. The boot.flp contains Romaji and JIS version of Japanese message. But now, only Romaji version can be displayed. Are there port of kanji hand, world21 or kon to display Kanji text? > > I guess the reason why all documents are shown in English is because > > you lack a translator. I think I can work on them. Please let me > > know if you need a help. Thanx! If Jordan send me many documents to translate, I would ask you. > > I want to make FreeBSD friendly for Japanese uses as much as possible. It is also my wish. -- NIIMI Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 14:33:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA03230 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:33:26 -0700 Received: from crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (root@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu [129.101.119.223]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA03217 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:33:22 -0700 Received: from pain.csrv.uidaho.edu (pain.csrv.uidaho.edu [129.101.114.109]) by crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA29837 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:32:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199505312132.OAA29837@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [2.0.5A] -- arp/llinfo problem. X-Real-Name: Faried Nawaz X-Address: Box 3582, Moscow, Id 83843-1914 X-Phone: 1 (208) 882 8896 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 14:32:59 -0700 From: Faried Nawaz Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk hi, i just installed 2.0.5A on a machine that was running 2.0R, and i'm having trouble doing any networking stuff with it. i keep getting May 30 19:10:09 spider /kernel: arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo when i telnet to the machine. this happens with and without the transactional tcp stuff. it happens with a custom kernel too, both with and without the GATEWAY option. machine "i386" cpu "I586_CPU" ident spider maxusers 32 #options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options NFS #Network Filesystem options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 options "SCSI_DELAY=15" #Be pessimistic about Joe SCSI device options SYSVSHM options SYSVSEM options SYSVMSG options GATEWAY config kernel root on sd0 controller isa0 controller pci0 controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 controller bt0 at isa? port "IO_BT0" bio irq ? vector btintr controller scbus0 device sd0 device sd1 device sd2 device cd0 #Only need one of these, the code dynamically grows device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" irq 13 vector npxintr device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 vector siointr device lpt0 at isa? port? tty irq 7 vector lptintr device ed1 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 9 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr pseudo-device loop pseudo-device ether pseudo-device log pseudo-device pty 64 pseudo-device speaker pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's pseudo-device vn 4 the boot messages are FreeBSD 2.0.5-ALPHA #0: Tue May 30 19:32:37 PDT 1995 fn@spider:/usr/src/sys/compile/spider CPU: 100-MHz Pentium 815\100 (Pentium-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x525 Stepping=5 Features=0x1bf real memory = 33161216 (8096 pages) avail memory = 31449088 (7678 pages) Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed1 at 0x300-0x31f irq 9 on isa ed1: address 00:40:05:17:8c:27, type NE2000 (16 bit) sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 72065B fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in bt0: Bt946C/ 0-PCI/EISA/VLB(32bit) bus bt0: reading board settings, busmastering, int=15 bt0: version 4.25J, async only, parity, 32 mbxs, 32 ccbs bt0: targ 0 async bt0: targ 1 async bt0: targ 2 async bt0: Enabling Round robin scheme bt0 at 0x330 irq 15 on isa bt0 waiting for scsi devices to settle (bt0:0:0): "FUJITSU M2684S-512 2035" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(bt0:0:0): Direct-Access 507MB (1039329 512 byte sectors) (bt0:1:0): "SEAGATE ST31250N 0003" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd1(bt0:1:0): Direct-Access 973MB (1994037 512 byte sectors) (bt0:2:0): "SONY CD-ROM CDU-76S 1.0a" type 5 removable SCSI 2 cd0(bt0:2:0): CD-ROM cd present.[94975 x 2048 byte records] npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface Probing for devices on the pci0 bus: configuration mode 1 allows 32 devices. pci0:0: vendor=0x1039, device=0x406, class=multimedia [not supported] map(10): mem32(80000010) map(14): mem64(80000010) map(18): mem32(80000018) map(1c): mem64(80000018) map(20): mem32(80000020) map(24): mem64(80000020) pci0:1: vendor=0x1039, device=0x8, class=old [not supported] pci0:12: vendor=0x1095, device=0x640, class=storage [not supported] vga0 rev 2 int a irq 255 on pci0:13 pci0:17: vendor=0x104b, device=0x1040, class=storage [not supported] map(10): io(4000) pci0: uses 4194304 bytes of memory from 80000000 upto 803fffff. thanks, faried. ps: it rocks. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 14:52:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA04551 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:52:02 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA04542 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:51:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: steve@gordian.com (Steve Khoo) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problem Installing 2.0.5-ALPHA/XFree86 3.1.1u1 In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 May 95 13:59:13 PDT." <9505312059.AA18474@hermes> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 14:51:53 -0700 Message-ID: <4540.801957113@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > 1) Installation attempted to install 'customizable xdm runtime > configuration file' but didn't find the package 'X311xdmcf'. > Instead, the XF86311 directory contains 'X311xdcf.tgz'. Fixed last night, thanks. > 2) System hangs during installation of 'X311xicf'. > > 3) System hangs during installation of 'X311pex'. Probably because it "unmounted" the current media before getting to that stage - I fixed that too! New floppies soon. BTW, please don't send mail to BOTH hackers and current, only one or the other please! Jordan > > SEK > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Steve E. Khoo Gordian > Systems Manager 20361 Irvine Ave > Internet: steve@gordian.com Santa Ana Heights, CA 92707 > Phone: (714)850-0205 FAX: (714)850-0533 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 14:53:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA04605 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:53:14 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA04595 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:53:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Mikael Hybsch cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.0.5-ALPHA installation hangs In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 May 95 23:12:53 +0200." Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 14:53:07 -0700 Message-ID: <4591.801957187@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I'm trying to install 2.0.5 from a DOS partition. > If I tell sysinstall to get the distribution from a DOS partition > it asks which one (I have 2, on different disks). Later when it tries to > mount the dos partition it always fails. (I don't remember the error > message now). Could you let me know? It's actually pretty important! :-( > from a mounted filesystem. This works, but (now comes the real problem) > after unpacking root.flp, the last message on screen 2 is something like > "DEBUG: Preparing /etc/fstab". Then nothing more happends. If I go to This is a bug I just fixed - if you don't assign a mountpoint to a DOS partition, it does this. Assign a mountpoint and all is well! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 15:13:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA19042 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:11:51 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA18998 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:11:37 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id QAA12801; Wed, 31 May 1995 16:02:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 16:02:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: mailing lists To: -Vince- cc: Tom Samplonius , Mark Hittinger , hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 May 1995, -Vince- wrote: > > Vince, HELP!! where is bulk-mailer? > > It's at: ftp://cs.utk.edu/pub/moore/email/bulk_mailer.* > Let me know what difference in sending time you see. i got it here in my hot little hands now :)))))) Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 15:20:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA05822 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 15:20:10 -0700 Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA05810 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 15:20:04 -0700 Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6) id RAA01881; Wed, 31 May 1995 17:16:41 -0400 From: "House of Debuggin'" Message-Id: <199505312116.RAA01881@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: Add NIS config to sysinstall, please To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 17:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <21573.801951987@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at May 31, 95 01:26:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2413 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk They say this Jordan K. Hubbard person was kidding when he wrote: > > > Maybe it's really cleverly hidden, but I wasn't able to find a NIS client > > configuration option in the 'Network Services Configuration' menu. > > I suggest adding an menu for this. The following steps would be involved: > > Um. I thought about this and decided "2.1". It's just not something I > have time for at the moment - sorry! Fair enough, I guess. How about this then: it would be really, really, really, REALLY helpful if there were a pause between the time where the emergency holographic shell comes up and the distribution extraction begins. This might have been mentioned already. If not, consider that it would make setting up a bastardized system with an NFS-mounted /usr filesystem a lot simpler. I'm in the middle of trying to do this now, and I'm having to cheat in a big way; the machine I'm using is very slow, and I have enough lag time before /usr is populated to do the mount manually. As it is, the extraction (I'm talking about everything after the root.flp image here) comes up immediately after the shell is spawned, and there's no way to pause the extraction and resume it once it gets going. As it happens, this is really the only serious problem I've bumped into so far. I'm attempting to do a binary-only install on a 386sx/16Mhz system with an 8-bit 3c503 card, 4Mb of RAM and a 20Mb Seagate ST-225 XT-class drive -- with bad blocks on it, no less. The kernel reports only 3.8Mb of RAM in the system. I'm getting quite a few 'Process XX killed by vm_pageout -- out of swap' message on the debug screen, but things are still moving right along in spite of this. The bad144 scan is taking an obnoxiously long time to run, but I can deal with that. Yes, I'm insane. But it never hurts to torture test, right? > > Jordna > Wow: you are tired, aren't you. :) -Bill -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~T~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Møøse Illuminati: ignore it and be confused, or join it and be confusing! ~~~~~~~~~ FreeBSD 2.1: "We can kick your operating system's ass!" ~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 15:28:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA06218 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 15:28:49 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA06208 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 15:28:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: NIIMI Satoshi cc: Masahiro SEKIGUCHI , FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Japanese documents for 2.0.5? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Jun 95 06:18:28 +0900." <199505312118.GAA08136@us.and.or.jp> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 15:28:43 -0700 Message-ID: <6207.801959323@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I translated documents only which are sent to me directly from Jordan. > I thought other documents might be change so I didn't check them. That's fine, and a good idea! :-) > The boot.flp contains Romaji and JIS version of Japanese message. But > now, only Romaji version can be displayed. Are there port of kanji > hand, world21 or kon to display Kanji text? I'm afraid not.. I need a font and a screen map, like we have for Cyrillic. I would like very much to have this, so if you need information on font formats you can talk to Soren Schmidt Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 15:37:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA01531 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:19:24 -0700 Received: from locust.cic.net (pauls@locust.cic.net [192.131.22.8]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA01517 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:19:21 -0700 Received: (from pauls@localhost) by locust.cic.net (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id RAA07378; Wed, 31 May 1995 17:19:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 17:19:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Southworth To: Tom Samplonius cc: Nate Williams , "Jonathan M. Bresler" , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mailing lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 May 1995, Tom Samplonius wrote: > Competely bogus. Zmailer supports aliases. Zmailer has special > security consisderations for .forward files, but you can override them so > they work just like Sendmail. Unless, you speak sendmail.cf as as a > second-language, Zmailer will be easier to configure. I would argue with you about this, but I really thing this should go to private mail or usenet by now. --Paul From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 16:00:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA18240 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:06:16 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA18212 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:06:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Rashid Karimov." cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Smooth upgrade to 2.0.5 from latest SNAP - HOW ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 May 95 10:34:37 EDT." <199505311434.KAA24385@haven.ios.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 13:06:07 -0700 Message-ID: <18204.801950767@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Will the ususal scheme with untarring bin/kernel src/recompiling > play as it used to be ? Erm.. No. :-( > Are there any significant changes in the FS formats ( I've heard > about table of bad blocks - is this new ? Will the old FS work > in this case ? )... It will work, but you will get warnings spewed at you every time you boot up. We went to a new "Slices" paradigm (where's that slice.doc, Poul & Bruce?? :-) which has made laying down your partitions again a pretty good idea! > I have already 2 FreeBSD servers with total of 4.000 accounts , > so that's really important for me ( anyways, the systems have > 1-2G primary HDD with the system itself, and 4G secondary with > user partitions , so probably I'll be able to get new 1G SCSI , > install the system and all apps on it and just swap the disks, > so the downtime will be some 5 minutes ). Backups! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 16:11:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA17095 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:58:59 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA17077 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:58:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Eric Chet cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FTP Install Problems 2.0.5 ALPHA In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 May 95 09:10:39 EDT." <199505311310.JAA21712@bronze.coil.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 12:58:56 -0700 Message-ID: <17076.801950336@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I'm trying to install over FTP with a modem and ppp. I get > a "FTP unspecified error -1" when it tries to connect. I switch > to the debug screen it says "DEBUG: Connection failed: No route to host(65)" > I'm trying to connect to ftp.FreeBSD.ORG. I have tried every other host > on the list with the same result :-(. What is the IP for ftp.FreeBSD.ORG > and FreeBSD.cdrom.com? I would like to try them direct. Hint: Go to the emergency holographic shell on VTY4 and try to "ping" those hosts directly. It truly does sound like the default route isn't pointing at the right place, or your ISP is confusing something. The ppp command on VTY3 has lots of useful commands for showing the state of the connection (the "show" commands) which might also prove useful. I'm looking at how I might doc this all better - anyone care to carefully cut out the best parts of the ppp man page and put them into a standalone (formatted) document that I might stick into the install? I don't have time to do it myself, and using the entire doc is out of the question - it's too big for a boot floppy! :-) Thanks.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 16:30:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA20017 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:18:13 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA19984 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:18:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Alok K. Dhir" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: On the install procedure In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 May 95 11:28:22 EDT." Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 13:18:00 -0700 Message-ID: <19980.801951480@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > 1. During any extraction processes, one has to sit there and wait with > nothing to do. It would be nice if on the Alt-F2 screen the > untar/ungzipping would be done verbosely so that one could watch the > various filenames go zipping by. That's much easier to sit through than a > static screen and a churning disk. This should be pretty easy to do I > suspect. Turn extra debugging mode on. It won't show you the filenames (yet - I'll change that) but it will show you plenty of other stuff to keep you occupied.. I was going to put a little VGA "space invaders" game on VTY5, but we ran out of time.. :-) > 2. It would be nice if tzsetup would either set your CMOS clock to > GMT for you, or at least tell you what the heck to set it to based on > your timezone. It took me a while to figure out what the heck GMT was so > I could set the CMOS clock to it. I don't think this is easy to do. > 3. The sysinstall asked me twice what my net info was, and still didn't > retain it. Once during package retrieval when I told it to get them via > FTP. Again after the install to set up some basic files. Yet when it Huh? There's no FTP option for package retreival! :-) It should probably not bring itself up if the network is already configured, but I didn't want to have the nightmare of the 2.0 install repeated where you'd enter a bogus value for something and then when you tried to go back, the generic "get his network parameters" routine would say "Hey, I've already got this stuff, I'll just return." Screaming frustration and a reset. I could get around this by making several entrypoints to that dialog, one of which would wipe all the old values first, but there are only so many hours in the day.. :-) I'll try to get to it. > Can't think of anything else offhand. It is basically an excellent > install - easier than any other Unix I've installed (Linux, UnixWare, > NextStep, OSF/1 3.2 (on an Alpha)). I think the FTP install is a great > idea. Gee, thanks! Praise! It's nice to get a little of that amid all the rocks flying in this direction! :-) > Congrats, BTW. 2.0.5 (close enough anyway, I'm running a SUP of about > 5/25/95) is rock solid - as solid, in fact, as our old 1.1.5.1 box. Yep, > I said old - I've updated it to FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-19950528 and it is > working great! This I like to hear! Thanks for the feedback.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 16:57:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA14278 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 16:57:06 -0700 Received: from scruz.net (nic.scruz.net [165.227.1.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA13593 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 16:48:56 -0700 Received: from joeh.sj.scruznet.com by scruz.net (8.6.9/1.34) id QAA17158; Wed, 31 May 1995 16:48:43 -0700 Date: Wed, 31 May 95 16:26:24 PDT From: "Joseph C. Ho" Subject: How to get install to recognize Quad-Speed CD-ROM? To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Howdy, I am entirely new to FreeBSD and will apologize up front for asking anything silly or too trivial. I've just purchased the Walnut Creek FreeBSD 2.0 CR-ROM and I am having trouble getting it installed. Here is my problem. The initial installation process went somewhat painfully until I realized that I was suppose to type wd(1,a)/kernel instead of hd(1,a)/kernel when the boot prompt appears. Now I get to the point where it is ready to install the bindist files. The problem is FreeBSD is unable to see my CD-ROM, a Mitsumi Quad-speed IDE CD-ROM. My question is: how do I get the files from the CD-ROM to the hard drive when it can't mount /dev/mcd0a to /mnt? My system configuration: Gateway 2000 P5-90 1.44 3 1/2" FD 1.2 5 1/4" FD HD1: Western Digital 540MB (master) HD2: Maxter 1260MB (slave) slice 1: FreeBSD slice 2: Reserved slice 3: extended MS-DOS (both hard drives are connected to the PCI (primary) IDE connector on the motherboard) CD-ROM: Mitsumi Quad-Speed, model CRMC-FX400 (the CD-ROM is connected to the ISA (secondary) IDE connector on the motherboard; this CD-ROM is set to being a Master) Memory: 8MB Modem/Sound Card: Boca Research Sound Expression 14.4 VSp, combo modem and sound card. (I've also connected the CD-ROM to this card, which has a CD-ROM controller interface; this didn't work either) Graphics Card: ATI GX Mach 64 w/ 2MB PCI DRAM I noticed in the FreeBSD FAQ that the Mitsumi FX001D(16bit 2x Speed) is supported. Does this mean Quad-Speed CD-ROMs are not supported? If so, what kind of work-arounds exist? Thanks ahead of time for any assistance offered. I hate to think I'm screwed and have to give up on FreeBSD. Joseph Ho joeh@scruznet.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 17:16:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA16005 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 17:16:29 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA15972 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 17:16:14 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA27825 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Wed, 31 May 1995 19:08:35 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA21350; 31 May 95 19:07:48 CDT (Wed) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA21347; Wed, 31 May 1995 19:07:47 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199506010007.TAA21347@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: [On the new Install] To: rcarter@geli.com (Russell L. Carter) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 19:07:46 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, julian@ref.tfs.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505310435.VAA02865@geli.clusternet> from "Russell L. Carter" at May 30, 95 09:35:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 281 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > |CANCEL IN EVERY OTHER APPLICATION ON EARTH means 'leave it untouched!' > I sort of think it ought to do this too; I use quite a lot of windoze > software where I get into a bad looking place and then go > 'Oh well, CANCEL, no harm done.' Yep. Call it "Accept" or "Complete". From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 17:46:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA18436 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 17:46:01 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA18427 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 17:45:57 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA28074 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Wed, 31 May 1995 19:36:24 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA21406; 31 May 95 19:13:48 CDT (Wed) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA21403; Wed, 31 May 1995 19:13:48 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199506010013.TAA21403@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: [On the new Install] To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 19:13:46 -0500 (CDT) Cc: julian@ref.tfs.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <15051.801897288@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at May 30, 95 10:14:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 554 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Well, I _am_ constrained somewhat by the objects that libdialog gives > me! In this particular case, I have no other way of knowing when the > user wants to leave the menu! When you're selecting an item and > hitting return, what you're REALLY doing is selecting the OK button Ah-ha! It's motif semantics. "Go to next entry" is "Tab" and return is "OK". One of the many ways Motif sucks. You either have to live with it and tell people not to hit RETURN until the screen is complete, or make RETURN act like TAB and use some other key for RETURN. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 17:46:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA18482 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 17:46:27 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA18471 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 17:46:22 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA28072 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Wed, 31 May 1995 19:36:12 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA21382; 31 May 95 19:11:32 CDT (Wed) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA21379; Wed, 31 May 1995 19:11:32 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199506010011.TAA21379@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: [On the new Install] To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 19:11:31 -0500 (CDT) Cc: julian@ref.tfs.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <15051.801897288@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at May 30, 95 10:14:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 760 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Well, I _am_ constrained somewhat by the objects that libdialog gives > me! In this particular case, I have no other way of knowing when the > user wants to leave the menu! When you're selecting an item and > hitting return, what you're REALLY doing is selecting the OK button > (you'll notice that the cursor stays over it after the arrow keys have > brought you to some item of choice). If I want to leave, rather than > make a choice, then I have to use Cancel. Sorry, but again - if you > want to see some other behavior, you'll have to make the (reliable!) > hacks to libdialog yourself and submit them. I have zero interest in > making changes of that sort at this late stage! Add an entry "Finished: YES/NO"? Or changing "Cancel" to "Complete"? From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 19:09:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA24596 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 19:09:42 -0700 Received: from squid.umd.edu (squid.umd.edu [129.2.40.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA24588 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 19:09:38 -0700 Received: by squid.umd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA13668; Wed, 31 May 1995 22:18:12 -0400 From: fcawth@squid.umd.edu (Fred Cawthorne) Message-Id: <9506010218.AA13668@squid.umd.edu> Subject: Problem with 2.0.5-Alpha and SMC Elite Ultra Combo's BNC??? To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 31 May 95 22:18:12 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Has something changed with the ed0 driver using the SMC Elite 16C Ultra combo card?? I get "device timeouts" when I try to use the thing with the BNC port. Do I need some ifconfig option now?? It seems to be probed fine. I will check to make sure the irq is correct, but it has worked fine for the last few releases.. I had the lockup problem at the "Creating /etc/fstab" message when installing on a different machine. (I didn't assign a mount point for dos...) I put in an old 8 bit WD8003 and at least the ethernet worked. I will try the new disks tomorrow on a dell 75MHz pentium with 1 gig IDE, and a 90MHz Pentium with NCR scsi and 1.7 gig scsi drive. Also, I could't mount the zip disks I had working with 950322 snapshot. It complained about a bad superblock or something. I may have done something wrong when I made the disks... I will investigate this further when I get the system running. Fred. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 19:42:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA25726 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 19:42:04 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA25593 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 19:36:27 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id WAA22885; Wed, 31 May 1995 22:27:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 22:27:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: [Q] Recommended laptop To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk the lease on my laptop has expired and it is time to get a new one ;) i want X! and 2 serial ports (hopefully). recommendations please. what laptops do you all use? jmb Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 20:15:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA26540 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:15:04 -0700 Received: from netcom3.netcom.com (cove@netcom3.netcom.com [192.100.81.103]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA26534 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:15:03 -0700 Received: by netcom3.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id UAA02286; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:14:03 -0700 From: cove@netcom.com (Cove Schneider) Message-Id: <199506010314.UAA02286@netcom3.netcom.com> Subject: 1.44m Boot images and 2.0.5 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 20:14:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 325 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi all, I recently downloaded 2.0.5 to discover that there exists only a 1.2m boot image -- I only have a 1.44m and a 360k drive.. So I'm in a bit of a bind.. Could some kind soul build a 1.44 boot image? I'd sure appreciate it.. Thanks.. -- Cove Schneider cove@netcom.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 20:14:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA26525 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:14:54 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA26517 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:14:48 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA17491; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:09:19 +1000 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:09:19 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506010309.NAA17491@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com Subject: Re: Problems with 2.0.5-Alpha Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Booting the kernelel...done (yes, it is displayed that way) > BIOS basemem (639K) != RTC basemem (640K) `kernelel' is caused by unnecessarily(?) "restoring" the bios area at the end of kzipboot/boot.c. This trashes the BIOS state. In particular, the row and column gets set to a previous value and the next string printed overwrites a previous string: [cursor saved here] Uncompressing kernel... done [cursor restored here] Booting the kernel [overwrites "Uncompressing..."] Booting the kernelel... [ final result] done [ second line of final result ] Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 20:24:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA26676 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:24:30 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA26670 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:24:27 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA03781; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:27:28 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA02206; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:24:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199506010324.UAA02206@corbin.Root.COM> To: fcawth@squid.umd.edu (Fred Cawthorne) cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with 2.0.5-Alpha and SMC Elite Ultra Combo's BNC??? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 May 95 22:18:12 EDT." <9506010218.AA13668@squid.umd.edu> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 20:24:36 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >Has something changed with the ed0 driver using the SMC Elite 16C Ultra >combo card?? I get "device timeouts" when I try to use the thing with Yes; when the kernel is configured for the board to be at a specific irq, the board must be at that irq or you'll get the timeouts. The previous behavior was to always assume that the soft-configed irq that was read from the board was the irq to use. This caused the driver to be quite broken for people using the "hard" settings. You can have the old behavior if you specify "irq ?" in the config file or 0 or -1 in userconfig (-c at bootup). -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 20:26:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA26707 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:26:01 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA26701 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:25:59 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id UAA26659; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:25:51 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506010325.UAA26659@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: 1.44m Boot images and 2.0.5 To: cove@netcom.com (Cove Schneider) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 20:25:50 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506010314.UAA02286@netcom3.netcom.com> from "Cove Schneider" at May 31, 95 08:14:03 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 441 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I recently downloaded 2.0.5 to discover that there exists only a 1.2m boot > image -- I only have a 1.44m and a 360k drive.. So I'm in a bit of a bind.. > Could some kind soul build a 1.44 boot image? I'd sure appreciate it.. The 1.2 fits on a 1.44 too :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 20:27:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA26751 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:27:52 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA26745 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:27:48 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA17838; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:20:59 +1000 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:20:59 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506010320.NAA17838@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: dawes@physics.usyd.edu.au, jmb@kryten.atinc.com Subject: Re: mailing lists Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >>> I've noticed for a while now that the mail I receive from hackers comes >>> via munnari.oz.au rather than directly from freefall. When I looked >>> into this, I found that mail I sent to myself from freefall (both to >>> here and to a few other domains in .au) also came via munnari. I'd >>> assumed that this was setup to allow all mailing list traffic to >>> .au to go from one connection from freefall. Was this intentional? Do Yes, it was to get the foreign site to do more of the work. >>> others in .au see this? We certainly don't have an MX pointing to that >>> site. The down side of this from my point of view is that >>> munnari.oz.au often has a long mail queue, and it isn't unusual for the >> >>strange the mail logs on freefall show: I complained about this too. munnari often delayed 12-24 hours and I got direct replies to some of my mail before I got the indirect echo from freefall via munnari. >It looks like it is back to delivering directly. I must admit that I It was stopped when the big relay sites (ENUNET ...) complained. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 21:02:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA27272 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:02:05 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA27264 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:02:03 -0700 Message-Id: <199506010402.VAA27264@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: cove@netcom.com (Cove Schneider) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 1.44m Boot images and 2.0.5 In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 May 95 20:14:03 PDT." <199506010314.UAA02286@netcom3.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 21:02:02 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >Hi all, > >I recently downloaded 2.0.5 to discover that there exists only a 1.2m boot >image -- I only have a 1.44m and a 360k drive.. So I'm in a bit of a bind.. >Could some kind soul build a 1.44 boot image? I'd sure appreciate it.. > >Thanks.. > >-- >Cove Schneider cove@netcom.com You can rawrite the image to a 1.44MB floppy, its just that it will only consume 1.2MB of the space! :) -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 21:16:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA27512 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:16:12 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA27506 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:16:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199506010416.VAA27506@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA07548; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 00:16:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 00:16:02 -0400 From: Charles Henrich To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Problem with 2.0.5-Alpha and SMC Elite Ultra Combo's BNC??? X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #10 (NOV) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Has something changed with the ed0 driver using the SMC Elite 16C Ultra > combo card?? I get "device timeouts" when I try to use the thing with The 2.0.5-Alpha kernel is much much more picky with settings than the snapshot'd kernels. Boot the kernel with -c, and set the irq/iomem/port settings of ed0 to match your card exactly. After that all works well (well as well as its working right now ;) -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 21:17:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA27536 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:17:11 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA27526 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:17:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: cove@netcom.com (Cove Schneider) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 1.44m Boot images and 2.0.5 In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 May 95 20:14:03 PDT." <199506010314.UAA02286@netcom3.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 21:17:08 -0700 Message-ID: <27525.801980228@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I recently downloaded 2.0.5 to discover that there exists only a 1.2m boot > image -- I only have a 1.44m and a 360k drive.. So I'm in a bit of a bind.. > Could some kind soul build a 1.44 boot image? I'd sure appreciate it.. Heh. We're not THAT stupid! :-) The 1.2Mb image works for _both_ types of disks.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 21:25:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA27746 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:25:40 -0700 Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.57]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA27740 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:25:39 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id VAA07043 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:25:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: cove@netcom.com (Cove Schneider) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 1.44m Boot images and 2.0.5 In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 May 1995 20:14:03 PDT." <199506010314.UAA02286@netcom3.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 21:25:31 -0700 Message-ID: <7042.801980731@westhill.cdrom.com> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message <199506010314.UAA02286@netcom3.netcom.com>, Cove Schneider writes: >I recently downloaded 2.0.5 to discover that there exists only a 1.2m boot >image -- I only have a 1.44m and a 360k drive.. So I'm in a bit of a bind.. >Could some kind soul build a 1.44 boot image? I'd sure appreciate it.. There is no such thing as a 1.44Mb boot image - the boot.flp (which is designed to fit on a 5.25" floppy drive) will also work fine on a 1.44Mb 3.5" drive, and I can confirm that it works as I've done the install about 20 times over the past week! Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 21:33:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA27944 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:33:01 -0700 Received: from saul4.u.washington.edu (spaz@saul4.u.washington.edu [140.142.83.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA27938 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:33:00 -0700 Received: by saul4.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17391; Wed, 31 May 95 21:32:55 -0700 X-Sender: spaz@saul4.u.washington.edu Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 21:32:55 -0700 (PDT) From: John Utz To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: "Rashid Karimov." , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Smooth upgrade to 2.0.5 from latest SNAP - HOW ? In-Reply-To: <18204.801950767@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Uh -oh.... On Wed, 31 May 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Will the ususal scheme with untarring bin/kernel src/recompiling > > play as it used to be ? > > Erm.. No. :-( > > > Are there any significant changes in the FS formats ( I've heard > > about table of bad blocks - is this new ? Will the old FS work > > in this case ? )... > > It will work, but you will get warnings spewed at you every time you > boot up. We went to a new "Slices" paradigm (where's that slice.doc, > Poul & Bruce?? :-) which has made laying down your partitions again > a pretty good idea! > arg, i am still running the march snap ( the bad ld.so one ) i thought that the fs was static by then. This is not the case? reinstall from scratch? no preserve? bummer! > > Backups! :-) i know, but, ... oh well, done it before, do it again... > Jordan > ******************************************************************************* John Utz spaz@stein.u.washington.edu idiocy is the impulse function in the convolution of life From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 21:36:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA28101 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:36:49 -0700 Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA28092 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:36:20 -0700 Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA09501 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 10:36:29 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199506010536.KAA09501@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Digiboard To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 10:36:29 +0500 (GMT+0500) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 353 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Does somebody wants to test the Digiboard driver ? It's not a complete driver now, it's a part only. The problem is I began to wrote this driver and then lost access to the card. I need volunteers to carry out any experiments. Serge Babkin ! (babkin@hq.icb.chel.su) ! Headquarter of Joint Stock Commercial Bank "Chelindbank" ! Chelyabinsk, Russia From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 21:41:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA28196 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:41:32 -0700 Received: from physics.su.oz.au (dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA28190 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:41:28 -0700 Received: by physics.su.oz.au id AA13819 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for hackers@freebsd.org); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:41:20 +1000 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199506010441.AA13819@physics.su.oz.au> Subject: 2.0.5-ALPHA To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:41:18 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 232 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I still haven't seen the 2.0.5-ALHPA announcement. Could someone repost it, or at least tell me how long the ALPHA period is planned to be? I'm trying to decide if it is worth putting it on ftp.physics.usyd.edu.au tonight. David From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 21:43:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA28233 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:43:02 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA28227 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:43:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199506010443.VAA28227@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA09055; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 00:42:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 00:42:53 -0400 From: Charles Henrich To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Problem with 2.0.5-Alpha and SMC Elite Ultra X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #10 (NOV) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Yes; when the kernel is configured for the board to be at a specific irq, > the board must be at that irq or you'll get the timeouts. The previous > behavior was to always assume that the soft-configed irq that was read from > the board was the irq to use. This caused the driver to be quite broken for > people using the "hard" settings. You can have the old behavior if you specify > "irq ?" in the config file or 0 or -1 in userconfig (-c at bootup). Wait a minute, how come the change? I would expect that the vast vast majority of cards out there are using soft settings, why not make the hard-settings folks have to go into -c and leave it for soft settings as the normal case (Which is the more common case afterall!) -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 22:37:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA00542 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 22:37:38 -0700 Received: from physics.su.oz.au (dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA00532 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 22:37:20 -0700 Received: by physics.su.oz.au id AA15504 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for hackers@freebsd.org); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:37:07 +1000 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199506010537.AA15504@physics.su.oz.au> Subject: Re: 2.0.5-ALPHA To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:37:05 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199506010441.AA13819@physics.su.oz.au> from "David Dawes" at Jun 1, 95 02:41:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 327 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >I still haven't seen the 2.0.5-ALHPA announcement. Could someone repost it, >or at least tell me how long the ALPHA period is planned to be? I'm >trying to decide if it is worth putting it on ftp.physics.usyd.edu.au >tonight. I've just been sent a copy of the information (thanks Peter), so you can ignore this now. David From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 22:57:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA01091 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 22:57:21 -0700 Received: from magic.winnet.net (magic.winnet.net [204.215.2.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA01085 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 22:57:20 -0700 Received: (from piero@localhost) by magic.winnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA26438; Wed, 31 May 1995 17:05:20 -0400 From: Piero Serini Message-Id: <199505312105.RAA26438@magic.winnet.net> Subject: Re: xten stole my uid! To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 17:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Cc: syssgm@devetir.qld.gov.au, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505310731.AAA00270@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at May 31, 95 00:31:01 am Reply-To: Piero@winnet.net Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.0-SNAP X-Phone-Number: +1 (305) 535 3090 X-Faqs-Maintained: Elm (comp.mail.elm), Mail Archive Servers (comp.mail.misc) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 710 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hello. Quoting from Rodney W. Grimes: >>From back in the 386BSD 0.1 days, I've used uid 100 for my personal account. ... Me too. ... > is 267. Unix vendors have long been using uid's below 500 for specific > things and normal folks should try to avoid them (I do on all the ... I definetely agree with Stephen and I will NOT change my uid. *I* am a specific thing to my system, I know it loves me and it thinks of me as a special person and not as "normal folk". I will change xten to some other uid on each and every installation. Bye, -- # $Id: .signature,v 1.0 1995/02/05 17:34:46 piero Exp $ Piero Serini From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 31 23:46:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA02052 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 23:46:59 -0700 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (cove@netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA02046 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 23:46:58 -0700 Received: by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id XAA02840; Wed, 31 May 1995 23:45:59 -0700 From: cove@netcom.com (Cove Schneider) Message-Id: <199506010645.XAA02840@netcom17.netcom.com> Subject: Re: 1.44m Boot images and 2.0.5 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Hackers) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 23:45:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1070 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Do'h! My apologize to every one who responded. After 10 or 15 failed attempts, with many different disks, I figured that there had to be something in the image that expected something at a certain offset. I donno, I guess I just had _really_ bad luck with disks or something of the sort .. I finally got it to work.. :^) (arg!) Anyhow, in luu of putting my self in yet another embarrassing position: Why can't the installation program mount my dos partition to complete the installation? I get an error message saying that it couldn't mount /dos.. Okay, so I went to ttyv4, where the shell was and poked around.. There doesn't seem to be mount on the disk. Since ls didn't exists I had to improvise with find, maybe I missed something. I did notice though that the partition program was just calling my dos partition "fat", not msdos as in the 2.0 partition program. Ps. Really, I'm not as clue-less as I may sound! I'll port something to make up for my installation blunders.. :-) -- Cove Schneider cove@netcom.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 00:42:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA02822 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 00:42:11 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA02813 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 00:42:05 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA24640; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:38:06 +1000 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:38:06 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506010738.RAA24640@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu Subject: Re: Problem with 2.0.5-Alpha and SMC Elite Ultra Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> Yes; when the kernel is configured for the board to be at a specific irq, >> the board must be at that irq or you'll get the timeouts. The previous >> behavior was to always assume that the soft-configed irq that was read from >> the board was the irq to use. This caused the driver to be quite broken for >> people using the "hard" settings. You can have the old behavior if you specify >> "irq ?" in the config file or 0 or -1 in userconfig (-c at bootup). >Wait a minute, how come the change? I would expect that the vast vast majority >of cards out there are using soft settings, why not make the hard-settings >folks have to go into -c and leave it for soft settings as the normal case >(Which is the more common case afterall!) Because the old behaviour was a bug. Configuring the irq to anything other than "?" (-1 in userconfig) says that you really want that irq no matter what the soft settings say. You get soft settings for the normal case by saying what you mean ("irq ?") in the configuration. Most of the isa scsi drivers break this rule and silently blow away the configured irq and other parameters. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 00:55:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA02984 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 00:55:27 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA02978 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 00:55:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 03:55:11 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Upgrading to 2.05A Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I am going to be upgrading from 2.0 -current as of 2 weeks ago to 2.05A, can I just install the 2.05A source and do a make world or do I have to do a reinstall? I don't have a tape backup but is it possible to back up to floppies instead if it is really required? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD - Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 02:10:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA06405 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 02:10:19 -0700 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA05705 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 01:55:43 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 01:55:43 -0700 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199506010855.BAA05705@freefall.cdrom.com> To: announce Subject: New installation floppys for 2.0.5A Cc: hackers Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone for their feedback! I've made a number of improvements (and expect to make many more) to the installation process and uploaded the new floppies to: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.0.5-ALPHA/UPDATES/ This will also be on the mirror sites shortly. Please try these out and let me know what you think! Your feedback is even more important as we draw closer to the 2.0.5R release date! Thanks. Jordan P.S. If you follow up to this, PLEASE remove announce from the Cc: line! Thank you! From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 03:14:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA09677 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 03:14:45 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA09639 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 03:13:56 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id MAA06819 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:13:09 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id MAA23042 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:13:08 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199506011013.MAA23042@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Upgrading to 2.05A To: vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu (-Vince-) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:13:07 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "-Vince-" at Jun 1, 95 03:55:11 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD BUILT-19950501 ctm#617 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 592 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I am going to be upgrading from 2.0 -current as of 2 weeks ago to > 2.05A, can I just install the 2.05A source and do a make world or do I > have to do a reinstall? I don't have a tape backup but is it possible to > back up to floppies instead if it is really required? Any help would be You should be able to just do a make world to get a working 2.0.5A. -current is not that different from 2.0.5 except for the installation stuff. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 04:18:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA13405 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 04:18:22 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA13397 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 04:18:18 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA02257 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 05:48:39 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA04246; 1 Jun 95 05:39:04 CDT (Thu) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id FAA04243; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 05:39:03 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199506011039.FAA04243@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: Problem with 2.0.5-Alpha and SMC Elite Ultra To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 05:39:03 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu In-Reply-To: <199506010738.RAA24640@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 1, 95 05:38:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 647 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >Wait a minute, how come the change? I would expect that the vast vast majority > >of cards out there are using soft settings, why not make the hard-settings > >folks have to go into -c and leave it for soft settings as the normal case > >(Which is the more common case afterall!) > Because the old behaviour was a bug. Configuring the irq to anything other > than "?" (-1 in userconfig) says that you really want that irq no matter > what the soft settings say. You get soft settings for the normal case by > saying what you mean ("irq ?") in the configuration. What he's saying is, I think, that the default boot kernel should use IRQ ?. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 04:19:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA13462 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 04:19:44 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA13453 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 04:19:38 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA02253 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 05:48:27 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA04226; 1 Jun 95 05:36:30 CDT (Thu) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id FAA04223; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 05:36:30 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199506011036.FAA04223@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: xten stole my uid! To: Piero@winnet.net Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 05:36:30 -0500 (CDT) Cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, syssgm@devetir.qld.gov.au, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505312105.RAA26438@magic.winnet.net> from "Piero Serini" at May 31, 95 05:05:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 234 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Quoting from Rodney W. Grimes: > >>From back in the 386BSD 0.1 days, I've used uid 100 for my personal account. > ... > Me too. Ditto. I see no reason for system UIDs over 99. THere's plenty of room in the number space down there. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 05:45:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA15649 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 05:45:06 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA15643 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 05:45:02 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id FAA04489; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 05:47:46 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id FAA02515; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 05:44:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199506011244.FAA02515@corbin.Root.COM> To: Peter da Silva cc: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans), freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu Subject: Re: Problem with 2.0.5-Alpha and SMC Elite Ultra In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Jun 95 05:39:03 CDT." <199506011039.FAA04243@bonkers.taronga.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 05:44:51 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> >Wait a minute, how come the change? I would expect that the vast vast majority >> >of cards out there are using soft settings, why not make the hard-settings >> >folks have to go into -c and leave it for soft settings as the normal case >> >(Which is the more common case afterall!) > >> Because the old behaviour was a bug. Configuring the irq to anything other >> than "?" (-1 in userconfig) says that you really want that irq no matter >> what the soft settings say. You get soft settings for the normal case by >> saying what you mean ("irq ?") in the configuration. > >What he's saying is, I think, that the default boot kernel should use IRQ ?. It can't - more than half of the if_ed supported cards don't have a soft config capability, so changing it to ? would break them. ...besides, this would still create a mystery for cards that do have soft config but are currently configured for the hard setting. I like the new method better, but I do see a need for better diagnostics at probe time to tell the user that the irq is bogus. If it weren't for this being very difficult to get right for all cases, it would have already been done. My general sentiment is that this is the GENERIC kernel and that it's not a big deal for people to set this in userconfig (-c) - it will be made automatically permanent via 'dset' during the first normal bootup. ...or people can build a custom kernel (they should anyway). -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 06:05:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA16136 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 06:05:18 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temp@temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA16130 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 06:05:13 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA12163; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:04:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:04:29 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Re: New installation floppys for 2.0.5A To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506010855.BAA05705@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I've ftp the lastest. Very nice work. ( the person that wrote the new Disklabel, did a GREAT job) the version of floppies just before the 3:00am ones, work for me, FTP, the newest ones Do not. Says Error ftp "'" should be ftp:// (*&^*^*$ dsfsd) I tried it many times, and I'm not typing the ' The NFS worked great, but I get an error in the /bin directory, gunzip, unexpected end of file, thats after the install screen said 100%. incase one of the bin files where corrupt, I reftped 5 at the top, 5 in middle and 5 files at the end, Same thing. No way to see what file it's having problem with, alt-f2 just shows .............. and for some strange reason it didn't copy Xf86311 at all, and trying selecting many times. still doesn't reboot when you quit the install program, I don't get the blue screen, I get things like can't umount nfs can't umount /dev/fd0 ( not correct, but it's the floppy anyway, I'm use to linux) then it sits there. > Thanks to everyone for their feedback! > > I've made a number of improvements (and expect to make many more) to > the installation process and uploaded the new floppies to: > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.0.5-ALPHA/UPDATES/ > > This will also be on the mirror sites shortly. Please try these out > and let me know what you think! Your feedback is even more important > as we draw closer to the 2.0.5R release date! > > Thanks. > > Jordan > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 06:49:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA18173 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 06:49:34 -0700 Received: from rrnet.com (rrnet.com [198.81.198.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA18161 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 06:49:33 -0700 Received: from localhost (erich@localhost) by rrnet.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA15501; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 08:52:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 08:52:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "Eric L. Hernes" Subject: Netscape, Doom, and Linux To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I just got the linux emulator stuff up, and kind of working. doom dies with a `broken pipe', and bsdi's netscape `cannot execute binary file' so I've got the worst of both worlds. (I missed the patch which fixes this). so just for a goof, I thought I'd try linux's netscape, and it nearly worked. It works well for all of the hosts on my local net, but if I try to get anything off the real internet I get: resolv+: "bind" is an invalid keyword resolv+: "hosts" is an invalid keyword just thought it was kind of curious that it got that far. eric. -- erich@rrnet.com erich@lodgenet.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 07:57:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA21467 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 07:57:15 -0700 Received: from EndersBox.iadfw.net (endersbox.iadfw.net [204.178.72.68]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA21453 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 07:57:05 -0700 Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by EndersBox.iadfw.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id EAA00531; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 04:56:05 -0500 From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199506010956.EAA00531@EndersBox.iadfw.net> Subject: NMBCLUSTERS=2048 To: davidg@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 04:56:04 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text Content-Length: 731 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk David, Many many thanks for your suggestion to add 'options NMBCLUSTERS=2048' to the config for our news server... We have a new record! Beat the old one by four days! 9:45AM up 6 days, 16:59, 1 user, load averages: 0.56, 0.38, 0.32 I haven't done anything with the new alpha yet, but if this is representative, it should be able to handle heavy network loads, even when swap-bound! EXCELLANT WORK! KEEP IT UP! Jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" jbryant@endersbox.iadfw.net, System administrator, Internet America From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 09:02:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA22858 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:02:31 -0700 Received: from tserv.lodgenet.com (root@[204.157.148.70]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA22806 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:01:07 -0700 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (jake.lodgenet.com [204.124.120.30]) by tserv.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA01178 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:01:10 -0500 Received: (from erich@localhost) by jake.lodgenet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA00675; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:02:46 -0500 Received: from freefall.cdrom.com (freefall.cdrom.com [192.216.222.4]) by rrnet.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA27573 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 00:32:18 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA28101 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:36:49 -0700 Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA28092 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:36:20 -0700 Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA09501 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 10:36:29 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199506010536.KAA09501@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Digiboard To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 10:36:29 +0500 (GMT+0500) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 353 Status: RO X-Status: A Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Does somebody wants to test the Digiboard driver ? It's not a complete driver now, it's a part only. The problem is I began to wrote this driver and then lost access to the card. I need volunteers to carry out any experiments. Serge Babkin ! (babkin@hq.icb.chel.su) ! Headquarter of Joint Stock Commercial Bank "Chelindbank" ! Chelyabinsk, Russia From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 09:02:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA22846 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:02:25 -0700 Received: from tserv.lodgenet.com (root@[204.157.148.70]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA22798 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:00:58 -0700 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (jake.lodgenet.com [204.124.120.30]) by tserv.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA01170 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:01:04 -0500 Received: (from erich@localhost) by jake.lodgenet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA00651; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:02:39 -0500 Received: from freefall.cdrom.com (freefall.cdrom.com [192.216.222.4]) by rrnet.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA24188 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 13:12:01 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA25690 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 07:45:47 -0700 Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [204.215.209.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA25681 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 07:45:42 -0700 Received: (from bugs@localhost) by ns1.win.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA29131 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 May 1995 10:47:39 -0400 From: Mark Hittinger Message-Id: <199505221447.KAA29131@ns1.win.net> Subject: multi virtual web sites To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 10:47:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1046 Status: RO Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Brian Tao's message earlier this weekend made me pick up one of my backburner projects and see if FreeBSD was up to the task. Dare I even think it? :-) Brian is right, the ifconfig alias supports multiple aliases per ethernet port, unlike most unix's that support one. How convenient!! You learn something new every day. So if you grab the patches for your web server from: http://www.thesphere.com/%7Edlp/TwoServers You get to have more than TwoServers since you happen to be a FreeBSD person. Beat that drum! Pound! Pound! I use the CERN httpd and the patches went in very easily. I had to fool around a little bit with the technique. The bind() call needs to be executed with privilege, so you have to run as root. This is nasty, however, the "parentuserid"/"parentgroupid" can get you around that little nasty. SO! Yet another FreeBSD solution to a major problem that I was putting off because 2 was not so good, and hacking a ppp loopback was going to take some time. This is great. Regards, Mark Hittinger bugs@win.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 09:03:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA22893 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:03:21 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA22880 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:03:07 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA25735; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:03:03 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id SAA06292 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:03:03 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA10766 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:45:49 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506011545.RAA10766@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Diagnostics for a hanging machine? To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:45:48 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199505230018.RAA06382@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at May 22, 95 05:18:25 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1110 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Also an older thread, but just my $ 0.02: As Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > Well, I spend about an hour with the machine trying to figure out > > how to get it to recognize the controller as bt0. No go. How do I get the > > BT742 into NON Adaptec 1542 mode? I have it at 0x330, irq 12, and the bt0 > > device does *not* recognize it. Once it's probed and fails, it picks it up > > as aha0. Any ideas? Thanks for the help! > > Does it have an enhanced mode in the setup screen for it???? Can you > send me the !BTxxxx.xxx EISA config file for it, I can probably figure > it out from that. I don't think it's got an `enhanced mode' entry in the config. Once i'm back at home, i can also mail you the EISA cfg file, should nobody have done it yet. My Bt742A is working with: ISA DMA emulation disabled; the non-default value for the interrupt trigger method (edge triggering, i think); a bus clock as close to 8 MHz as possible. Burst mode does work, too. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 09:05:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA22983 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:05:31 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA22894 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:03:22 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA25727; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:03:01 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id SAA06286 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:03:01 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA10628 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:30:03 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506011530.RAA10628@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cool gadget in XFree86 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:30:03 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199505241755.KAA22913@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at May 24, 95 10:55:01 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 521 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > I just remade my XFree86 and found the Xnest server. ... > (Very useful if you play with window managers I presume, perfectly useless > otherwise :-) It sometimes also proved useful for me in combination with the `-query' option, to log into another machine (especially from non-PC machines, where you cannot run mutliple hardware X servers). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 09:07:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA23084 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:07:48 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA23044 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:07:00 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA25731; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:03:02 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id SAA06289 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:03:02 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA10703 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:39:34 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506011539.RAA10703@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Detecting the ft driver.. To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:39:34 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <27650.799961408@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at May 8, 95 12:30:08 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 779 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I've never used a floppy tape under FreeBSD and am about to assume > that if I can open /dev/ft0, a floppy tape exists (I won't use it > directly as I know about the necessity of ft, but I just want to be > able to "probe" it this way). > > Any reasons why this won't work? I realize that this answer is late, but 'ya know why. It should work. ft.c tracks the probe status within ftopen(), and it returns either ENXIO (unit number out of bounds) or ENODEV (probe failed). The error code is bogus (Operation not supported by device, should also be ENXIO instead), but it should satisfy your needs. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 09:14:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA23253 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:14:48 -0700 Received: from tserv.lodgenet.com (root@[204.157.148.70]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA23229 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:13:22 -0700 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (jake.lodgenet.com [204.124.120.30]) by tserv.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA01271; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:13:38 -0500 Received: (from erich@localhost) by jake.lodgenet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA00891; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:15:16 -0500 Received: from freefall.cdrom.com (freefall.cdrom.com [192.216.222.4]) by rrnet.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA19701 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:16:18 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA21467 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 07:57:15 -0700 Received: from EndersBox.iadfw.net (endersbox.iadfw.net [204.178.72.68]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA21453 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 07:57:05 -0700 Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by EndersBox.iadfw.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id EAA00531; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 04:56:05 -0500 From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199506010956.EAA00531@EndersBox.iadfw.net> Subject: NMBCLUSTERS=2048 To: davidg@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 04:56:04 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text Content-Length: 731 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk David, Many many thanks for your suggestion to add 'options NMBCLUSTERS=2048' to the config for our news server... We have a new record! Beat the old one by four days! 9:45AM up 6 days, 16:59, 1 user, load averages: 0.56, 0.38, 0.32 I haven't done anything with the new alpha yet, but if this is representative, it should be able to handle heavy network loads, even when swap-bound! EXCELLANT WORK! KEEP IT UP! Jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" jbryant@endersbox.iadfw.net, System administrator, Internet America From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 09:25:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA23547 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:25:09 -0700 Received: from dns.netvision.net.il (root@dns.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA23538 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:25:05 -0700 Received: from Burka.NetVision.net.il (root@Burka.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.15]) by dns.netvision.net.il (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA08211; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:25:25 +0300 Received: (from gena@localhost) by Burka.NetVision.net.il (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA08713; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:36:08 +0300 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:36:08 +0300 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.1 Beta on FreeBSD From: Gennady Sorokopud To: "Eric L. Hernes" Subject: RE: Netscape, Doom, and Linux Cc: Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I noticed the same thing. After Doom dies with "broken pipe" it want't even run because it "could not get any shared memory". It starts once again only after i reboot the system :-) Loading and unloading the emulator does not help. In message Eric L. Hernes writes: > >I just got the linux emulator stuff up, and kind of working. > >doom dies with a `broken pipe', and >bsdi's netscape `cannot execute binary file' >so I've got the worst of both worlds. (I missed the patch which fixes this). > >so just for a goof, I thought I'd try linux's netscape, >and it nearly worked. It works well for all of the hosts on >my local net, but if I try to get anything off the real internet I get: > > resolv+: "bind" is an invalid keyword > resolv+: "hosts" is an invalid keyword > >just thought it was kind of curious that it got that far. > >eric. >-- >erich@rrnet.com >erich@lodgenet.com > > Gena | gena@NetVision.net.il | finger gena@NetVision.net.il for more info | | Date: 06/01/95 | Time: 19:32:24 | | This message was sent by XF-Mail From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 09:31:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA23706 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:31:45 -0700 Received: from rrnet.com (rrnet.com [198.81.198.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA23699 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:31:42 -0700 Received: from localhost (erich@localhost) by rrnet.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id LAA20277; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:34:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:34:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "Eric L. Hernes" Subject: RE: Netscape, Doom, and Linux To: Gennady Sorokopud cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Gennady Sorokopud wrote: > I noticed the same thing. > > After Doom dies with "broken pipe" it want't even run > because it "could not get any shared memory". It starts once again > only after i reboot the system :-) Loading and unloading the emulator > does not help. you can also do an `ipcrm -m ' where is optained from an `ipcs' command then you can run doom again and watch the `broken pipe' all over agin. > Gena | gena@NetVision.net.il > | finger gena@NetVision.net.il for more info > | > | Date: 06/01/95 > | Time: 19:32:24 > | > | This message was sent by XF-Mail > erich. -- erich@rrnet.com erich@lodgenet.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 09:50:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA25104 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:50:13 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA23875 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:36:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199506011636.JAA23875@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Gennady Sorokopud cc: "Eric L. Hernes" , freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Netscape, Doom, and Linux In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Jun 95 19:36:08 +0300." Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 09:36:24 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Remove the sndserver program. >I noticed the same thing. > >After Doom dies with "broken pipe" it want't even run >because it "could not get any shared memory". It starts once again >only after i reboot the system :-) Loading and unloading the emulator >does not help. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 09:51:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA25180 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:51:07 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA25174 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:51:06 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:50:41 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: Ollivier Robert cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Upgrading to 2.05A In-Reply-To: <199506011013.MAA23042@blaise.ibp.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Ollivier Robert wrote: > > I am going to be upgrading from 2.0 -current as of 2 weeks ago to > > 2.05A, can I just install the 2.05A source and do a make world or do I > > have to do a reinstall? I don't have a tape backup but is it possible to > > back up to floppies instead if it is really required? Any help would be > > You should be able to just do a make world to get a working 2.0.5A. -current > is not that different from 2.0.5 except for the installation stuff. Really? I was told that the 2.05A sources would allow me to upgrade but I won't get any of the disk optimizations and other things without doing a full install and I would need to do a full reinstall to get properly optimized and coverted to the slice code since there will probably be no backwards compatibility of this in 2.1. Can anyone confirm this? Jordan? Thanks. Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD - Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 09:58:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA25435 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:58:42 -0700 Received: from cancer.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.250]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA25425 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:58:27 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by cancer.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA02639; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:58:28 +0800 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:58:27 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Can't boot a new 2.0.5A system Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I don't know how you other folks did it, but I can't boot a freshly installed 2.0.5A disk. I go through all the steps, choosing logical choices, but then when it goes to reboot, I get "Missing operating system". Disk is a Quantum Empire 1080S, using the entire disk for FreeBSD. I tried it both with and without a boot manager. No difference. I noticed the partition editor creates a small 22-block partition when I say "Use entire disk". No way to delete it, so I figure that's some sort of boot code thingy. The "Make startable" command isn't documented anywhere, but I tried it on my FreeBSD partition. Still won't boot. What's the secret? I have two pages of handwritten notes on bugs/glitches/typos in the installer alone, so don't go pressing that CD-ROM just yet. ;-) -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 11:09:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA29802 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:09:44 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA29796 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:09:40 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA05038; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:09:05 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506011809.LAA05038@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: xten stole my uid! To: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Piero@winnet.net, syssgm@devetir.qld.gov.au, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506011036.FAA04223@bonkers.taronga.com> from "Peter da Silva" at Jun 1, 95 05:36:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 769 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > Quoting from Rodney W. Grimes: > > >>From back in the 386BSD 0.1 days, I've used uid 100 for my personal account. > > ... > > Me too. > > Ditto. I see no reason for system UIDs over 99. THere's plenty of room in the > number space down there. > It is a fact that there is little I can do about this in the real world, we can fix FreeBSD but that is not going to take care of HP-UX, SunOS, Solaris, Domain/OS and all the other variants that do infact assign uid's well into the 200 range on some of them. I already said I was going to seriously collapse this at 2.2, please stop the extra useless email. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 11:12:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA29877 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:12:44 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA29870 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:12:43 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA29698; Thu, 1 Jun 95 12:05:51 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506011805.AA29698@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: [Q] Recommended laptop To: jmb@kryten.atinc.com (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 95 12:05:51 MDT Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at May 31, 95 10:27:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > the lease on my laptop has expired and it is time to get a new one ;) > > i want X! and 2 serial ports (hopefully). > > recommendations please. what laptops do you all use? There is a NEC Versa model that has an 800x600 display. This is the same box that is OEM'ed by AT&T as "The Globalyst" that has the 800x600. In an article in Computer Shopper, NEC has promised 1024x768 some time this year. Personally, I find 640x480 totally unusable. For an 80 column 14 point/2 point spacing JIS 208 font, 1280x1024 is a minimal display. Typical usage is to live with 40 columns and double-width Kanji. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 11:49:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA03107 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:49:16 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA03101 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:49:15 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA03152; Thu, 1 Jun 95 12:40:30 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506011840.AA03152@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: [On the new Install] To: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 95 12:40:29 MDT Cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, julian@ref.tfs.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506010013.TAA21403@bonkers.taronga.com> from "Peter da Silva" at May 31, 95 07:13:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Ah-ha! > > It's motif semantics. "Go to next entry" is "Tab" and return is "OK". > > One of the many ways Motif sucks. You either have to live with it and tell > people not to hit RETURN until the screen is complete, or make RETURN act > like TAB and use some other key for RETURN. You are supposed to use 'tab' and hit 'space' when the tab group that contains only that button is selected. To avoid the 'return' behaviour, you have to not set a default button (and this has to be done explicitly, since the first button in the button list is default). The 'return' behaviour is also widget-dependent; for instance, if you have a multi-line text input widget, it will go to the next line in the widget instead. So just changing it to a tab is bogus. Alternately, you could expect users to understand Motif/MS Windows semantics by virtue of previous exposure. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 12:25:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA10914 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:25:55 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA10894 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:25:50 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA06449; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:25:34 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA08477; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:25:33 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA11971; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:04:34 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506011904.VAA11971@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: 1.44m Boot images and 2.0.5 To: cove@netcom.com (Cove Schneider) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:04:33 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506010645.XAA02840@netcom17.netcom.com> from "Cove Schneider" at May 31, 95 11:45:59 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 328 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Cove Schneider wrote: > > > ... Since ls didn't exists I had to improvise with > find, maybe I missed something. Hint: ``echo *'' is poor man's replacement for a missing ``ls''. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 12:27:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA11148 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:27:16 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA11101 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:26:59 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA06453; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:25:35 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA08480 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:25:34 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA12104 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:18:12 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506011918.VAA12104@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Review this hardware please To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:18:11 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199505230016.RAA06371@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at May 22, 95 05:16:50 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 656 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > Award ISA/PCI 586 Bios > > Best PCI/Pentium BIOS I have seen! Should be at version 4.50 or later. But this is not perchance the same Award BIOS as mine that totally jams if one tries to disable Video BIOS shadowing? After this, my BIOS refused to do anything after testing the memory. Since the CMOS is one of the Dallas chips with internal battery, it wasn't even possible to blow the CMOS and start over from scratch. (Just my DM 0.23, as a warning for other people.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 13:15:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA19807 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:15:57 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA19793 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:15:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Temptation cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: New installation floppys for 2.0.5A In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Jun 95 09:04:29 EDT." Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 13:15:53 -0700 Message-ID: <19790.802037753@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I've ftp the lastest. Very nice work. > ( the person that wrote the new Disklabel, did a GREAT job) Heh, thanks! :) > the version of floppies just before the 3:00am ones, work for me, FTP, > the newest ones Do not. Says > Error ftp "'" should be ftp:// (*&^*^*$ dsfsd) > I tried it many times, and I'm not typing the ' Urk? Hmmm.. Ok, let me look into this! > and for some strange reason it didn't copy Xf86311 at all, and trying > selecting many times. I thought I fixed that. Drat! I'll be doing some more changing and testing today. Sorry about these errors, folks! The problems involved are kind of.. Tricky! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 13:25:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA21835 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:25:39 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA21792 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:25:30 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43110>; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:23:06 +0200 Received: (from jhs@localhost) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA01692 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:24:55 +0200 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:24:55 +0200 From: Julian Howard Stacey Message-Id: <199506011324.PAA01692@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: suggestions for fixit floppy Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Suggestion for a small enhancement to the Boot Floppy. I had to repair a bad disk label on my `current' FreeBSD, & used the 1.2M 950210-Snap. (D)isklabel (E)dit Changesize only allows one to edit sizes in Megabytes ... Not helful when one knows the precise sector count required (not a multiple of N Megabytes). I suggest the input routine be slightly enhanced to allow e.g. s130000 to force a sector count of 130000, (as opposed to 130000 Mbyte). It'll add a few bytes of code, but it'll enhance the recovery capability of the Boot Flop, & will add less extra space than the existing N Meg to number of sectors conversion presumably does. (I don't know how the new 2.0.5 boot floppy performs, haven't got one yet.) Julian S From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 13:25:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA21904 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:25:57 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA21853 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:25:45 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43102>; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:23:38 +0200 Received: (from jhs@localhost) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA09670 for hackers%freebsd.org@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 08:30:35 +0200 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 08:30:35 +0200 From: Julian Howard Stacey Message-Id: <199506010630.IAA09670@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: freefall mail load Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Re. freefall's mail load recently: CTM patches normally range from 500 bytes to 15K, but the last one was: 525074 May 31 19:11 src-cur.0681.gz presumably that may have made some difference, when sent to everyone on the CTM list. Julian S jhs@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 13:40:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA24716 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:40:05 -0700 Received: from miller.cs.uwm.edu (miller.cs.uwm.edu [129.89.35.13]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA24671 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:39:54 -0700 Received: (from james@localhost) by miller.cs.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) id PAA20210 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:39:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:39:51 -0500 From: Jim Lowe Message-Id: <199506012039.PAA20210@miller.cs.uwm.edu> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Interval timer/System clock Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I have a question about the system interval timer. I am not sure why it is behaving the way it is. Shouldn't the interval timer in the system have a resolution of HZ rather than HZ/2? I ran the attached test program on various systems and compiled the following results: OS type Processor Min possible interval timer (seconds) ------------- --------- ------------------ OSF 3.0 Alpha 0.005 Solaris 2.4 Sun 4 0.01 Ultrix 4.4 Mips 0.004 FreeBSD 2.0.5 Pentium 0.02 NetBSD 1.0a 386 0.01 Note that FreeBSD returns 0.02 rather than 0.01 which I would expect for a 100 Hz clock. Also, it would be nice to have a faster interval timer (0.005 secs) for various Multimedia/Real Time applications. I assume I can just add the line ``OPTIONS "HZ=512"'' to my configuration file, but if I do -- will I break anything obvious? Thanks for any help or suggestions. -Jim -----snip here for itest.c--- #include #include #include #define ITIMER_REAL 0 #define ITIMER_VIRTUAL 1 #define ITIMER_PROF 2 #include static unsigned int num_ints; #define NUM_MS 1 void timer_int() { num_ints++; return; } int main() { struct timeval tv, tvo; struct itimerval it; struct sigaction action; double u,v; action.sa_handler = timer_int; sigaction(SIGALRM, &action, NULL); num_ints = 0; u = 0; it.it_interval.tv_sec = 0; it.it_interval.tv_usec = NUM_MS; it.it_value.tv_sec = 0; it.it_value.tv_usec = NUM_MS; setitimer(ITIMER_REAL, &it, NULL); gettimeofday(&tvo, NULL); while(1) { pause(); gettimeofday(&tv, NULL); v = (tv.tv_sec - tvo.tv_sec) + 1e-6 * (tv.tv_sec - tvo.tv_sec); if(v - u > 1.0) { printf("%d %8.8f %8.8f %8.8f secs\r", num_ints, v, (double)num_ints/v, v/(double)num_ints); fflush(stdout); u = v; } } } --PAA20140.802039138/miller.cs.uwm.edu-- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 13:41:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA25079 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:41:32 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA25056 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:41:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: -Vince- cc: Ollivier Robert , FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Upgrading to 2.05A In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Jun 95 12:50:41 EDT." Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 13:41:26 -0700 Message-ID: <25051.802039286@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Really? I was told that the 2.05A sources would allow me to > upgrade but I won't get any of the disk optimizations and other things > without doing a full install and I would need to do a full reinstall to > get properly optimized and coverted to the slice code since there will > probably be no backwards compatibility of this in 2.1. Can anyone > confirm this? Jordan? Thanks. This is all true. Please folks, don't mislead people by telling them that "upgrades" are a simple matter of holding your left foot in the air while extracting the bindist over a system in single user mode while "Muskrat Love" is playing on the radio. Sure, it might _work_ but whether or not it works 100% is another matter, and WE get to pick up the pieces afterwards in the questions list! THERE IS NO UPGRADE PATH FROM 2.0R TO 2.0.5! I'm sorry, I wish there was, but there wasn't time to do the work. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 14:08:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA01434 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:08:45 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA01427 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:08:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Brian Tao cc: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: Can't boot a new 2.0.5A system In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Jun 95 00:58:27 +0800." Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 14:08:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1426.802040922@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I don't know how you other folks did it, but I can't boot a > freshly installed 2.0.5A disk. I go through all the steps, choosing > logical choices, but then when it goes to reboot, I get "Missing > operating system". Geometry correct? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 14:22:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA02693 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:22:08 -0700 Received: from sedhps01.mdc.com (SEDHPS01.MDC.COM [130.38.110.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA02684 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:22:05 -0700 Message-Id: <199506012122.OAA02684@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by sedhps01.mdc.com ($Revision: 1.37.109.9 $/16.2) id AA0636612437; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:26:45 -0500 From: Jim Babb Subject: Re: New installation floppys for 2.0.5A To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Thu, 1 Jun 95 16:26:45 CDT Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <19790.802037753@freefall.cdrom.com>; from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 01, 95 1:15 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > and for some strange reason it didn't copy Xf86311 at all, and trying > > selecting many times. > > I thought I fixed that. Drat! > The mixed case of the Xf86 file names are a problem for a DOS install. All of the names get reduced to lower case only after the DOS partition is mounted, but the install script is looking for some upper case letters. Jim From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 14:33:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA03476 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:33:18 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA03468 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:33:14 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id OAA00219; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:33:12 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199506012133.OAA00219@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Interval timer/System clock To: james@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Jim Lowe) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506012039.PAA20210@miller.cs.uwm.edu> from "Jim Lowe" at Jun 1, 95 03:39:51 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 292 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk The timers are really the user-end view of a ball of spaghetti you don't really want to get into too much :) FreeBSD can change it's system clock to 16KHz to run audio through the speaker.. but somehow (!) the other timers appear unchanged.. bde is the man to speak to about that.. julian From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 14:51:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA04983 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:51:41 -0700 Received: from uuneo.neosoft.com (mailman@uuneo.NeoSoft.COM [198.64.84.252]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA04972 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:51:38 -0700 Received: (from mailman@localhost) by uuneo.neosoft.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) id QAA26612 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:51:33 -0500 Received: from concorde.neosoft.com(198.65.161.214) by uuneo.neosoft.com via smap (V1.3) id sma026421; Thu Jun 1 16:50:14 1995 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:50:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Daniel Baker X-Sender: dbaker@concorde.neosoft.com To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD on 286? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I've got an old 286 box with an 80 meg hard drive.. Is there any change that I can get FreeBSD running on it? I think I can put memory in there, it's only got 640k of memory now.. :-) heh, I'll add another 8 megs... Daniel Baker -- NeoSoft Student Assistant (UseNet, FTP & CivNet Admin.) DBaker@NeoSoft.COM DBaker@Concorde-Mail.NeoSoft.COM ** http://www.neosoft.com/neosoft/staff/dbaker/default.html ** From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 15:02:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA05700 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:02:23 -0700 Received: from case.cioe.com (case.cioe.com [204.120.165.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA05666 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:02:04 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by case.cioe.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA00334; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:05:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:05:30 -0500 From: Steve Ames Message-Id: <199506012205.RAA00334@case.cioe.com> To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: username length question? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I've got tacacs running on a freebsd (current 05/31) system. Problem I'm running into now: On some dial in connections that establish PPP there is a password on a specific IP address. When I ran tacacs on my sunos machine this was no biggie... just create a "user" with a name such as 127.0.0.1, give it a password and your done. Under FreeBSD this stopped working as most IP addresses are longer than 8 characters... sigh. What changes do I need to make to make it go? -Steve From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 15:16:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA06655 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:16:55 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA06647 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:16:53 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id AAA17126 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:16:46 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id AAA25954 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:16:45 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199506012216.AAA25954@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Netscape, Doom, and Linux To: erich@rrnet.com (Eric L. Hernes) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:16:45 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "Eric L. Hernes" at Jun 1, 95 08:52:50 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD BUILT-19950501 ctm#617 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 557 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > doom dies with a `broken pipe', and Add "." or the directory where you did put the doom binaries. The broken pipe is for the sndserver (which doesn't work anyway :-)) > bsdi's netscape `cannot execute binary file' > so I've got the worst of both worlds. (I missed the patch which fixes this). You'll not be able to run 386BSD static binaries without the patch either. Time for me to recompile rz/sz :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 15:20:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA07022 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:20:29 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA07013 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:20:27 -0700 Received: from gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com ([13.252.21.73]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14503(4)>; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:19:41 PDT Received: by gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11534; Thu, 1 Jun 95 18:19:48 EDT Message-Id: <9506012219.AA11534@gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com> To: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Installing Anything... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 01 Jun 1995 13:41:26 PDT." <25051.802039286@freefall.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:19:47 PDT From: "Marty Leisner" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Well, I have a very simple question: How is it possible to boot a two disk system (a boot disk and a root disk) and see if anything works... I have the Infomagic November release of freebsd 2.0, made slices, didn't want to touch my master boot record, and booting I get a panic -- can't mount root... I want to boot a simple system on floppies and then exanime the hard disk (Linux has this approach and I really like it). I'm looking to work on dosemu on freebsd and bringing layered file systems to linux... marty From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 15:28:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA07753 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:28:11 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA07747 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:28:06 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id AAA17213 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:27:53 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id AAA26033 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:27:53 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199506012227.AAA26033@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Upgrading to 2.05A To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:27:52 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu, FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <25051.802039286@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 1, 95 01:41:26 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD BUILT-19950501 ctm#617 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 406 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > THERE IS NO UPGRADE PATH FROM 2.0R TO 2.0.5! I'm sorry, I wish there > was, but there wasn't time to do the work. Vince said he was under -current, not 2.0R ! If you're -current, upgrading to 2.0.5A is a matter of recompilation or did I miss something ? -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 15:37:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA08311 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:37:53 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA08301 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:37:49 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:37:34 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Ollivier Robert , FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Upgrading to 2.05A In-Reply-To: <25051.802039286@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Really? I was told that the 2.05A sources would allow me to > > upgrade but I won't get any of the disk optimizations and other things > > without doing a full install and I would need to do a full reinstall to > > get properly optimized and coverted to the slice code since there will > > probably be no backwards compatibility of this in 2.1. Can anyone > > confirm this? Jordan? Thanks. > > This is all true. Please folks, don't mislead people by telling them > that "upgrades" are a simple matter of holding your left foot in the > air while extracting the bindist over a system in single user mode > while "Muskrat Love" is playing on the radio. Sure, it might _work_ > but whether or not it works 100% is another matter, and WE get to pick > up the pieces afterwards in the questions list! > > THERE IS NO UPGRADE PATH FROM 2.0R TO 2.0.5! I'm sorry, I wish there > was, but there wasn't time to do the work. Does this rule apply to upgrade from 2.0 -current to 2.0.5? Is there something different about the fs code that requires reformating and repartitioning the disks for 2.0.5 from -current? Thanks! Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD - Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 15:41:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA08567 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:41:15 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA08559 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:41:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:40:56 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: Ollivier Robert cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Upgrading to 2.05A In-Reply-To: <199506012227.AAA26033@blaise.ibp.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Ollivier Robert wrote: > > THERE IS NO UPGRADE PATH FROM 2.0R TO 2.0.5! I'm sorry, I wish there > > was, but there wasn't time to do the work. > > Vince said he was under -current, not 2.0R ! If you're -current, upgrading > to 2.0.5A is a matter of recompilation or did I miss something ? I did say I was under 2.0 -current and not 2.0R. I didn't realize that part from Jordan's post but thanks for clarifying it. I thought with -current, only the sources changed so a make world would do or has the fs code actually changed? Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD - Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 15:49:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA09364 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:49:35 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA09354 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:49:34 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id PAA00588; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:49:31 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199506012249.PAA00588@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD on 286? To: dbaker@Concorde-Mail.NeoSoft.COM (Daniel Baker) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Daniel Baker" at Jun 1, 95 04:50:04 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 533 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk No, but at the cost of a 386 MB 2nd hand ($100) you would do better to upgrade anyhow. > > I've got an old 286 box with an 80 meg hard drive.. Is there any change > that I can get FreeBSD running on it? > > I think I can put memory in there, it's only got 640k of memory now.. :-) > heh, I'll add another 8 megs... > > > Daniel Baker -- NeoSoft Student Assistant (UseNet, FTP & CivNet Admin.) > DBaker@NeoSoft.COM > DBaker@Concorde-Mail.NeoSoft.COM > ** http://www.neosoft.com/neosoft/staff/dbaker/default.html ** > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 16:21:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA11797 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:21:52 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA11789 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:21:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199506012321.QAA11789@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA19051; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:21:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:21:36 -0400 From: Charles Henrich To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Cant boot a new 2.0.5A system X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #10 (NOV) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I don't know how you other folks did it, but I can't boot a > freshly installed 2.0.5A disk. I go through all the steps, choosing > logical choices, but then when it goes to reboot, I get "Missing > operating system". I've been having similar problems big time. It appears that the partitioning tools are looking at the drive geometry ONLY, but newfs is using the (possibly) translated geometries that the BIOS is reporting. This is causing me bigtime problems :( On another note, the "options" menu's should be check box'd just like the software installation menu's, makes things more obvious. -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 16:26:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA12024 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:26:18 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temp@temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA12016 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:26:15 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA12665; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:25:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:25:26 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Re: New installation floppys for 2.0.5A To: Jim Babb cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506012122.OAA02684@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I tried to install it from Linux NFS drive. bypassed it all. Never isntalled any of the files. But you are correct it's a problem for a Dos/Floppy install. ( which doesn't work for me yet anyway) On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Jim Babb wrote: > > > and for some strange reason it didn't copy Xf86311 at all, and trying > > > selecting many times. > > > > I thought I fixed that. Drat! > > > The mixed case of the Xf86 file names are a problem for a DOS install. > All of the names get reduced to lower case only after the DOS partition > is mounted, but the install script is looking for some upper case letters. > > Jim > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 16:32:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA12306 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:32:56 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temp@temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA12297 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:32:53 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA12680; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:32:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:32:10 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Memory fault To: "hackers@freefall.cdrom.com" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk - Core dumped isn't good is it?? I get that just about every second line when the system boots up. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 16:35:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA12406 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:35:41 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA12399 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:35:40 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id QAA00759; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:35:35 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506012335.QAA00759@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Cant boot a new 2.0.5A system To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506012321.QAA11789@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Charles Henrich" at Jun 1, 95 07:21:36 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 749 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I don't know how you other folks did it, but I can't boot a > > freshly installed 2.0.5A disk. I go through all the steps, choosing > > logical choices, but then when it goes to reboot, I get "Missing > > operating system". > > I've been having similar problems big time. It appears that the partitioning > tools are looking at the drive geometry ONLY, but newfs is using the (possibly) > translated geometries that the BIOS is reporting. This is causing me bigtime > problems :( It is 100% paramount for success that you enter the bios-geometry correct. -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 16:37:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA12477 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:37:17 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA12469 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:37:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199506012337.QAA12469@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA19100; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:37:08 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: Re: Cant boot a new 2.0.5A system To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506012335.QAA00759@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Jun 1, 95 04:35:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 343 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > It is 100% paramount for success that you enter the bios-geometry correct. Make perfect sense, but how the hell do I find out what it is, and secondly how come the installer doesnt use it as it used to? -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 16:37:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA12490 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:37:22 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA12481 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:37:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Jim Babb cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: New installation floppys for 2.0.5A In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Jun 95 16:26:45 CDT." <199506012122.OAA02684@freefall.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 16:37:20 -0700 Message-ID: <12480.802049840@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > The mixed case of the Xf86 file names are a problem for a DOS install. > All of the names get reduced to lower case only after the DOS partition > is mounted, but the install script is looking for some upper case letters. Are you SURE of this? All the tests we've done have shown the case to be remapped automagically.. We can take an upper case file, stick it on a DOS partition and retreive it using either case. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 16:39:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA12626 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:39:26 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA12619 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:39:25 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id QAA00792; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:39:22 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506012339.QAA00792@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Cant boot a new 2.0.5A system To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506012337.QAA00775@ref.tfs.com> from "Charles Henrich" at Jun 1, 95 07:37:08 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 469 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > It is 100% paramount for success that you enter the bios-geometry correct. > > Make perfect sense, but how the hell do I find out what it is, and secondly how > come the installer doesnt use it as it used to? If you boot -v there it should be printed out. It's not at all easy :-( -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 16:44:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA12961 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:44:10 -0700 Received: from crash.ops.neosoft.com (root@crash.ops.NeoSoft.COM [198.64.212.50]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA12953 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:44:08 -0700 Received: (from smace@localhost) by crash.ops.neosoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) id SAA00782 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:42:46 -0500 From: Scott Mace Message-Id: <199506012342.SAA00782@crash.ops.neosoft.com> Subject: multicast patches for ep0? To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:42:45 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 79 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Does anyone have any patches to let ep0 devices do multicast? Thanks, Scott From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 17:03:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA14094 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:03:51 -0700 Received: from squid.umd.edu (squid.umd.edu [129.2.40.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA14081 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:03:48 -0700 Received: by squid.umd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA18759; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:12:13 -0400 From: fcawth@squid.umd.edu (Fred Cawthorne) Message-Id: <9506020012.AA18759@squid.umd.edu> Subject: Re: Can't boot a new 2.0.5A system To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 95 20:12:13 EDT Cc: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <1426.802040922@freefall.cdrom.com>; from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 1, 95 2:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > I don't know how you other folks did it, but I can't boot a > > freshly installed 2.0.5A disk. I go through all the steps, choosing > > logical choices, but then when it goes to reboot, I get "Missing > > operating system". > > Geometry correct? > > Jordan > I have this same problem on my machine. A Pentium-90 with NCR scsi and 1.7 gig Micropolis drive. The boot floppy fdisk got the geometry wrong for some reason. (It is correct when the disk is probed...) I tried entering the correct geometry and it still wouldn't boot. I had to boot with the floppy and load hd(0,a)/kernel. I installed on a 1 gig ide drive on another machine and it worked fine. Why does the fdisk on the install disk give me funny geometry?? I tried using FreeBSD on the whole disk, and having some dos in the beginning... Also, install's fdisk gives me 7000 something cylinders, so I really doubt translation is going on anywhere... Does anybody have any ideas?? I will continue trying tomorrow. (I tried to manually write the boot blocks with disklabel also...) Oh, yeah, and disklabel says something like "superblock size = 0" Fred. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 17:08:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA14388 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:08:22 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA14379 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:08:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Daniel Baker cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on 286? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Jun 95 16:50:04 CDT." Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 17:08:20 -0700 Message-ID: <14378.802051700@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I've got an old 286 box with an 80 meg hard drive.. Is there any change > that I can get FreeBSD running on it? Nope, sorry! Your only hope is Xenix or the local rifle club (I recommend the latter on the grounds that you'll have a lot more fun than you will with the former). Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 17:12:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA14745 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:12:18 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA14738 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:12:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Marty Leisner" cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Installing Anything... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Jun 95 15:19:47 PDT." <9506012219.AA11534@gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 17:12:12 -0700 Message-ID: <14728.802051932@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Well, I have a very simple question: > How is it possible to boot a two disk system > (a boot disk and a root disk) > and see if anything works... With 2.0, it's not. You need to look into the 2.0.5 "fixit" disk. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 17:13:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA14958 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:13:51 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA14950 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:13:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) cc: vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu, FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Upgrading to 2.05A In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Jun 95 00:27:52 +0200." <199506012227.AAA26033@blaise.ibp.fr> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 17:13:49 -0700 Message-ID: <14949.802052029@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Vince said he was under -current, not 2.0R ! If you're -current, upgrading > to 2.0.5A is a matter of recompilation or did I miss something ? No, you didn't. I'm reading too fast again! :-( Foo. If I keep this up, somebody's going to take my gun away! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 17:16:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA15317 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:16:50 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA15311 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:16:49 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id RAA00968; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:16:41 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506020016.RAA00968@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Cant boot a new 2.0.5A system To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506012337.QAA12469@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Charles Henrich" at Jun 1, 95 07:37:08 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 615 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > It is 100% paramount for success that you enter the bios-geometry correct. > > Make perfect sense, but how the hell do I find out what it is, and secondly how > come the installer doesnt use it as it used to? > The surest and easiest way to get it 100% right (by definition) is: boot dos delete all freebsd slices make (at least) one dos slice boot boot.flp (delete dos slice if you don't want it) create freebsd slice(s) -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 17:21:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA15793 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:21:54 -0700 Received: from GlobalXS.nl (asterix.GlobalXS.nl [193.67.240.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA15785 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:21:51 -0700 Received: (from wvdriel@localhost) by GlobalXS.nl (8.6.9/8.6.11) id CAA01007; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 02:20:51 +0200 Message-Id: <199506020020.CAA01007@GlobalXS.nl> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 95 02:21:10 DST From: wvdriel@GlobalXS.nl (W. van Driel) Reply-To: wvdriel@GlobalXS.nl (W. van Driel) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: W. van Driel's PMMail v1.1 Subject: DIGIBOARD drivers Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I'm vewwy interested in FreeBSD. I understand that you seek BETA testers, I'm a Internet Service Provider in the Netherlands. How can I help. I have capacity enough to start a BETA site for you. Give me everything i need, and you have a full beta test site! phone me between 10:00 - 21:00 local time +31 1883 10393 My name is Walter van Driel CEO GlobalXS.nl Dutch Channel Ltd. The Netherlands Met vriendelijke groet, Mit freundlichen Gruss, With many Greetings, -- -- Walter van Driel -- wvdriel@GlobalXS.nl -- Dutch Channel Ltd. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 17:29:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA16458 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:29:08 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA16452 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:29:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: New floppies Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 17:29:06 -0700 Message-ID: <16450.802052946@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.0.5-ALPHA/UPDATES Come and get 'em! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 17:34:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA16722 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:34:21 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA16714 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:34:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: wvdriel@globalxs.nl (W. van Driel) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DIGIBOARD drivers In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Jun 95 02:21:10 +0700." <199506020020.CAA01007@GlobalXS.nl> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 17:34:18 -0700 Message-ID: <16713.802053258@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I'm vewwy interested in FreeBSD. > > I understand that you seek BETA testers, I'm a Internet Service > Provider in the Netherlands. Uhh... You're not being very specific.. :-) I know from previous discussions with this man that he's actually looking to test the DIGIBOARD support, not just FreeBSD in general (we have PLENTY of FreeBSD testers in the Internet Service Provision business, thanks!). Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 17:36:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA16799 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:36:09 -0700 Received: from tfs.com (mailhub.tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA16793 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:36:08 -0700 Received: by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) Message-Id: From: julian@TFS.COM (Julian Elischer) Subject: I call it the "NT sniper bug". (fwd) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:35:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3856 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Just say no.. I'm sure we might all bare this one in mind I bet we'll hear about it sometime > > Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 15:05:06 -0400 > Forwarded-by: bostic@CS.Berkeley.EDU (Keith Bostic) > Subject: I call it the "NT sniper bug". > > Forwarded-by: matthew green > Forwarded-by: Richard Michael Todd > Forwarded-by: randy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randall E. Cotton) > > langner@seufert.de (Ernst Langner) writes: > > > In our network I've sometimes seen the ICMP Message "host unreachable". > > It was generated by a PC running Windows NT 3.5. There was trafic between > > two stations e.g. two sun workstations. The NT PC sends the ICMP message > > to one of the sun stations unmotivated. Such messages are normaly > > generated by gateways, I can't find any reason for a station in a LAN > > environment to generate such a message. It seems to be a bug. The sun > > workstation ignores this ICMP message. But we are using some X terminals > > too. They believe what the message says and break down a session. > > YES, YES, YES! > > I just recently saw this here at University of Illinois, Urbana/Champaign. > I call it the "NT sniper bug". A UNIX software distribution process > between subnets in different buildings was consistently and inexplicably > failing at what appeared to be random times. Analysis of the traffic > (Network General Sniffer) showed the cut connections were due to an ICMP > type 3 (Destination Unreachable) code 1 (Host Unreachable) packet. > According to the ICMP spec (RFC792), such packets may only be sent from > routers. I assumed the source was indeed a router and perhaps there was > a problem with the network in the other building. When I learned it was > a PC, I was intrigued to say the least. > > After travelling to the other building, tracking down the offending > machine and seeing that all it was running was NT, I didn't even > believe my eyes at first ("gotta be an IP address conflict", I said to > myself, "something else has got to be the culprit"). But thorough > testing (again, with a Sniffer) prooved it beyond any doubt... > > Every once in a while at what appeared to be random intervals, this > machine was choosing an apparently arbitrary IP packet on the Ethernet > (regardless of its addressed destination) and generating an ICMP host > unreachable error packet to its source, dutifully including the first > portion of the victim packet. > > This bug is truly subtle and insidious. It's as if NT, disguised as an > innocent user-friendly operating system, is surreptitiously playing > "network sniper", firing off single-packet shots that can trash > arbitrary TCP connections present on or passing through the immediately > attached net. I bet most people that have it don't even know it. > > By the way, the reason why it must be a bug is threefold: > > First of all, NT shouldn't even be *aware* of traffic that isn't > addressed to it. my own theory is that the host being shot at is brave enough to have sent out a 'arp request' as it's own arp table entry for the other machine had just timed out... [JRE] hmm wonder if uSoft want to make all other machines appear unreliable :) > Secondly, any such packet that errantly makes it to > NT's TCP/IP stack *should* be ignored by that stack. Thirdly, an NT > workstation, not being a router, absolutely should never send an ICMP > host unreachable packet. Pretty hoarked, if you ask me. > > If anyone else has seen this behavior, please send me e-mail, or better > yet, reply to the group - it may be of wide interest. I'd like to band > together, if possible, to figure out a solution - dealing with MS Tech > Support on this is not exactly high on my list of strategies. > > Randall Cotton > Network Analyst > University of Illinois > Network Administrator Support > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 17:45:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA17420 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:45:51 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA17412 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:45:45 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA19318; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:43:38 +1000 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:43:38 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506020043.KAA19318@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, james@miller.cs.uwm.edu Subject: Re: Interval timer/System clock Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >I have a question about the system interval timer. I am not sure why it >is behaving the way it is. >Shouldn't the interval timer in the system have a resolution of HZ rather >than HZ/2? I "fixed" hzto() by adding 1 to allow for the current partial clock tick. This stops usleep(10000) from returning after as little as 10 usec when the current clock tick expires. It causes usleep(1000000) in a loop to take an average of 2000000 - (a few) usec instead of 1000000 - (a few) usec. It breaks the it_interval arg to setitimer(). The fix may be to subtract 1 from hzto() in realitexpire(). realitexpire() is synchronized with the clock interrupt so it shouldn't compensate for partial clock ticks. Initial intervals of less than 1 clock tick could be handled more accurately by calling microtime() from hzto() to determine the current partial clock tick. However, microtime() is slow. >Also, it would be nice to have a faster interval timer (0.005 secs) for >various Multimedia/Real Time applications. I assume I can just add the line >``OPTIONS "HZ=512"'' to my configuration file, but if I do -- will >I break anything obvious? Yes, it will break time adjustment. has many hard-coded assumptions that hz == 100, e.g., SHIFT_HZ = 7. This problem may only be serious if you use timed or xntpd or the undocumented option PPS_SYNC. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 17:48:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA17555 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:48:37 -0700 Received: from distortion.eng.umd.edu (distortion.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA17549 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:48:32 -0700 Received: from espresso.eng.umd.edu (espresso.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.13]) by distortion.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id UAA11623; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:48:20 -0400 Received: (chuckr@localhost) by espresso.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id UAA07129; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:48:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:48:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: -Vince- , Ollivier Robert , FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Upgrading to 2.05A In-Reply-To: <25051.802039286@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Really? I was told that the 2.05A sources would allow me to > > upgrade but I won't get any of the disk optimizations and other things > > without doing a full install and I would need to do a full reinstall to > > get properly optimized and coverted to the slice code since there will > > probably be no backwards compatibility of this in 2.1. Can anyone > > confirm this? Jordan? Thanks. > > This is all true. Please folks, don't mislead people by telling them > that "upgrades" are a simple matter of holding your left foot in the > air while extracting the bindist over a system in single user mode > while "Muskrat Love" is playing on the radio. Sure, it might _work_ > but whether or not it works 100% is another matter, and WE get to pick > up the pieces afterwards in the questions list! > > THERE IS NO UPGRADE PATH FROM 2.0R TO 2.0.5! I'm sorry, I wish there > was, but there wasn't time to do the work. > > Jordan If this is true, I'm curious just what I'm gaining with the new filesystem, besides a new way to refer to partitions. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 7608 Topton St. | New Carrollton, MD 20784 | I run Journey2 (Freebsd 2.0) and n3lxx (301) 459-2316 | (FreeBSD 1.1.5.1) and am I happy! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 17:51:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA17695 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:51:47 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temp@temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA17687 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:51:42 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA12857; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:51:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:51:00 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Re: New installation floppys for 2.0.5A To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <19790.802037753@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Update: Thu Jun 1 16:38:31 PDT 1995 trying this set. Trying FTP option Everything worked correctly untill this point Debug: Command 'cd /mnt/stand; find etc | cpio -pdmv /mnt' returns status of 0 Debug: Setting variable _runningOnRoot to yes Debug: Starting an emergency holographic shell over on the 4th screen Debug: Generating /etc/fstab file Debug: mkdir(/proc) Debug: mkdir(/proc..) Cursor sits right here. No drive lights or active. Install screen is Blue with Cursor on the botton left. Screen 4 Warning: This shell is chroot()'d to /mnt and I can type and play with things ( by way if this is wrong place to send or if I'm sending to much or not enough info, someone tell me) Now I'm going to try the NFS install. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 18:07:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA18464 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:07:15 -0700 Received: from gordius.gordian.com (gordius.gordian.com [192.73.220.81]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA18457 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:07:13 -0700 Received: from hermes (hermes.gordian.com [192.73.220.111]) by gordius.gordian.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA16599 for <@gordius.gordian.com:hackers@freefall.cdrom.com>; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:06:41 -0700 Received: by hermes (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for @gordius.gordian.com:hackers@freefall.cdrom.com id AA12533; Thu, 1 Jun 95 18:06:40 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 95 18:06:40 -0700 From: steve@gordian.com (Steve Khoo) Message-Id: <9506020106.AA12533@hermes> To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506010855.BAA05705@freefall.cdrom.com> (jkh@freefall.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: New installation floppys for 2.0.5A Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Installing 'Everything' via NFS, I get the following message: "Unable to transfer the XXX distribution from host:/foo/bar/2.0.5-ALPHA" where XXX is src, XF86311, XF86-xc, XF86-co. At the end, I get: "Couldn't extract all of the distributions. Residue: ca0" SEK From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 18:13:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA18910 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:13:19 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA18901 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:13:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Temptation cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, announce@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New installation floppys for 2.0.5A In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Jun 95 20:51:00 EDT." Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 18:13:17 -0700 Message-ID: <18899.802055597@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Debug: Setting variable _runningOnRoot to yes > Debug: Starting an emergency holographic shell over on the 4th screen > Debug: Generating /etc/fstab file > Debug: mkdir(/proc) > Debug: mkdir(/proc..) > Cursor sits right here. No drive lights or active. I'm really sorry, folks! I seem to have really mucked it up someplace. I've put a warning in the UPDATES area to this effect and am working on fixing this one right now. I'm sure it's something really obvious, once I see it, but something in the new non-anon login code I added is hanging up the works. I've added a bunch of debugging code (which is generally useful in its own right and will probably stay) to aid in tracking this down and am working on this one right now. Sorry for the premature release of these broken floppy images! I fixed DOS and broke FTP.. :-( Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 18:31:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA21251 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:31:00 -0700 Received: from pyromania.apana.org.au (pyromania.apana.org.au [202.12.87.123]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA21241 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:30:57 -0700 Received: (from john@localhost) by pyromania.apana.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA05717 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:23:38 +1000 From: John Herks Message-Id: <199506020123.LAA05717@pyromania.apana.org.au> Subject: Backing up on Exabyte 8MM Tape ?? To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:23:38 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 755 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk What is the correct format for backing up and restoring (a directory tree) on a Exabyte tape drive ??? Do I use tar or mt ? Here is my dmesg output -: ncr0 targ 6 lun 0: type 1(sequential) removable SCSI2 ncr0 targ 6 lun 0: st0(ncr0:6:0): 200ns (5 Mb/sec) offset 8. st0: density code 0x0, drive empty -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _--_|\ John Herks / \ Pyromania Internet Access Melbourne \_.--._/ Phone: +613-9650-4776 v email: john@pyromania.apana.org.au www : http://pyromania.apana.org.au --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 18:47:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA21897 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:47:06 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA21881 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:47:01 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA06194; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:46:42 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506020146.SAA06194@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Upgrading to 2.05A To: chuckr@Glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu, roberto@blaise.ibp.fr, FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "Chuck Robey" at Jun 1, 95 08:48:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1930 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > Really? I was told that the 2.05A sources would allow me to > > > upgrade but I won't get any of the disk optimizations and other things > > > without doing a full install and I would need to do a full reinstall to > > > get properly optimized and coverted to the slice code since there will > > > probably be no backwards compatibility of this in 2.1. Can anyone > > > confirm this? Jordan? Thanks. > > > > This is all true. Please folks, don't mislead people by telling them > > that "upgrades" are a simple matter of holding your left foot in the > > air while extracting the bindist over a system in single user mode > > while "Muskrat Love" is playing on the radio. Sure, it might _work_ > > but whether or not it works 100% is another matter, and WE get to pick > > up the pieces afterwards in the questions list! > > > > THERE IS NO UPGRADE PATH FROM 2.0R TO 2.0.5! I'm sorry, I wish there > > was, but there wasn't time to do the work. > > > > Jordan > > If this is true, I'm curious just what I'm gaining with the new > filesystem, besides a new way to refer to partitions. Minfree change from 5% to 8% to correct for serious over allocation problems (davidg knows more about this). Newfs parameter changes to effectivly eliminate all the rot delay optimizations that are actually slow downs for almost every modern disk on the market. A nice clean defrag'ed set of system binaries is another side effect that can be a substantial gain if you have run a few 100 make worlds on a system. [If you don't belive the last one, do a clean install on a disk then setting it running make worlds in a loop, come back after about 5 times, reboot and look at the fsck fragmentation values] -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 18:54:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA22200 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:54:11 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA22186 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:54:07 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id SAA01398; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:54:00 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199506020154.SAA01398@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Upgrading to 2.05A To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Cc: chuckr@Glue.umd.edu, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu, roberto@blaise.ibp.fr, FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506020146.SAA06194@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 1, 95 06:46:42 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 896 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Minfree change from 5% to 8% to correct for serious over allocation > problems (davidg knows more about this). Newfs parameter changes to > effectivly eliminate all the rot delay optimizations that are actually > slow downs for almost every modern disk on the market. > > A nice clean defrag'ed set of system binaries is another side effect > that can be a substantial gain if you have run a few 100 make worlds > on a system. [If you don't belive the last one, do a clean install > on a disk then setting it running make worlds in a loop, come back > after about 5 times, reboot and look at the fsck fragmentation values] this is all true, but doesn not mean they can't upgrade.. they are just not going to get some new speedups.. personally, I prefer to upgrade, live with it.. and newfs my partitions one by one once I've got the system up and stabel with a good backup.. :) julian From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 18:58:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA22460 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:58:18 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temp@temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA22452 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:58:12 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA12937; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:57:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:57:23 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Re: New installation floppys for 2.0.5A To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Update: Thu Jun 1 16:38:31 PDT 1995 NFS install. when installing /bin I still get this (this may by problem, corupt files?) ................................................................................ gunzip: stdin: unexpected end of file /stand/cpio: premature end of file Debug: cpio returned error status of 1! Unable to transfer the bin distribution from ....../../../ Do you want to retry this distr. later /src ......................................................................... /mnt: optimization changed from TIME to SPACE ........................................................................ 26313 blocks Debug: wait for gunzip returned status of -1! Unable to transfer the src distribution from ....../../../ Do you want to retry this distr. later ( I hope I don't have to reftp /bin and /src, those took for ever to get) After it's done compat20, it says Couldn't extract all of the dists. Residue:880 it seems to be the XFree86, since when I goto configuration, it says XF86 cannot be found( I think, it flashes so fast, and nothing on screen 1) I did tell NFS to install all of XFree but not the src Changing local password for root. new password: ( type in four char password) Please enter a longer password. new password: ( type same four char password) ( it accepts it this time, I don't know if its suppose to work this way, so I thought say something (i've never gotten Freebsd to install this far before)) All done. quit quit Syncing disks... 7 6 4 done unmount of /nfs failed (BUSY) (hang) Guess I'll try Dos part and floppies next From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 19:03:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA19002 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:14:49 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA18996 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:14:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199506020114.SAA18996@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA19485; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:14:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:14:46 -0400 From: Charles Henrich To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: 2.0.5-ALPHA: Memory fault, sig 11 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #10 (NOV) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It appears that the 2.0.5-ALPHA kernel has several massive conflicts that cause endless core dumps and signal 11 traps during the boot phase, and then during execution of codes such as systat. Once a custom kernel is rebuilt however, things are much cleaner. I dont know whats different between the kernel config for the snapshots and for 2.05A but whatever it is, we need to get it back to the snapshot phase, we're thing never (for me anyway) screwed up on a dozen different machines.. -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 19:04:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA22834 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:04:45 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temp@temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA22822 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:04:35 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA12958; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:03:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:03:51 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Re: New installation floppys for 2.0.5A To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, announce@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <18899.802055597@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk No problem Jordan, I think you guys are doing a Great job. I've bought 3(maybe 4 ) freebsd cd's over the last year or so, Walnut Creek, and ftped tree src many times and NONE of them have ever worked on any of machines. I've never gotten this far with Freebsd, tiny little bugs here and there can be worked out, I was finnally got to login for once, had errors but that will be fixed. > I'm really sorry, folks! I seem to have really mucked it up > someplace. I've put a warning in the UPDATES area to this effect and > am working on fixing this one right now. I'm sure it's something > really obvious, once I see it, but something in the new non-anon login > code I added is hanging up the works. I've added a bunch of debugging > code (which is generally useful in its own right and will probably > stay) to aid in tracking this down and am working on this one right > now. > > Sorry for the premature release of these broken floppy images! > I fixed DOS and broke FTP.. :-( > > Jordan > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 19:08:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA22994 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:08:19 -0700 Received: from fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp (fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp [164.71.1.133]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA22976 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:08:08 -0700 Received: from fdmmail.fujitsu.co.jp by fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W5-MX941209-Fujitsu Mail Gateway) id LAA18629; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:07:55 +0900 Received: from fdm.fujitsu.co.jp by fdmmail.fujitsu.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W5-MX950127-Fujitsu Domain Mail Master) id LAA05814; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:07:24 +0900 Received: from sysrap by fdm.fujitsu.co.jp (5.65/6.4J.6) id AA05012; Fri, 2 Jun 95 11:07:24 +0900 Received: from seki.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp by spad.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sHMFw-0003ZFC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 11:14 JST Date: Fri, 2 Jun 95 11:02:19 JST From: Masahiro SEKIGUCHI Message-Id: <9506020202.AA15673@seki.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: New floppies References: <16450.802052946@freefall.cdrom.com> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.0.5-ALPHA/UPDATES > >Come and get 'em! I tried it. (One dated 950601.) I found that sysinstall included in it shows English messages only. I tried French, Russian, and Japanese, for USAGE and README. The screen font, however, seemed to be changed when I selected a language. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 19:17:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA23616 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:17:17 -0700 Received: from gw0.telebase.com (root@gw0.telebase.com [192.132.57.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA23601 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:17:08 -0700 Received: from gw1.telebase.com by gw0.telebase.com id WAA01614 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:25:10 -0400 Received: from khan.telebase.com (chuck@khan.telebase.com [192.132.57.215]) by gw1.telebase.com (8.6.12/8.6.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA11305 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 02:23:18 GMT Received: (from chuck@localhost) by khan.telebase.com (8.6.12/8.6.9.1) id WAA00928 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:20:26 -0400 From: Chuck Murcko Message-Id: <199506020220.WAA00928@telebase.com.> Subject: xinetd 2.1.4 for FreeBSD 2.x To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:20:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 804 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I have finished porting xinetd-2.1.4 to FreeBSD 2.0. Xinetd is a replacement for inetd/tcp_wrappers, among other things. It also handles UDP and RPC services, something tcp_wrappers can't. If you're interested, you can pick up the source from: ftp.telebase.com, directory /pub/security. I don't have access to this list yet (we're subscribing a majordomo mail exploder here) so if you use xinetd and have comments, please feel free to mail them to me. Thanks. PS: I used FreeBSD2.0-950412-SNAP for the port. At some point I'll get a Walnut Creek sub and/or get on the current release program. This is one very nice OS to play on. chuck Chuck Murcko Telebase Systems, Inc. Wayne PA chuck@telebase.com And now, on a lighter note: "The chain which can be yanked is not the eternal chain." -- G. Fitch From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 19:22:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA23893 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:22:34 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA23882 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:22:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Temptation cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: New installation floppys for 2.0.5A In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Jun 95 21:57:23 EDT." Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 19:22:19 -0700 Message-ID: <23881.802059739@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > when installing /bin I still get this (this may by problem, corupt files?) > > ............................................................................. ... > gunzip: stdin: unexpected end of file > /stand/cpio: premature end of file > Debug: cpio returned error status of 1! This is almost certainly corrupt files. You should check them again. > ......................................................................... > /mnt: optimization changed from TIME to SPACE > ........................................................................ Not enough space allocated to / or /usr! > new password: ( type same four char password) ( it accepts it this time, > I don't know if its suppose to work this way, so I thought say something > (i've never gotten Freebsd to install this far before)) Feature. > Syncing disks... 7 6 4 done > unmount of /nfs failed (BUSY) > (hang) You're probably parked in that directory with the shell on ALT-F4! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 19:24:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA23996 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:24:34 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA23983 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:24:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Masahiro SEKIGUCHI cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: New floppies In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Jun 95 11:02:19 +0200." <9506020202.AA15673@seki.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 19:24:25 -0700 Message-ID: <23978.802059865@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk This is fixed. New floppies that hopefully work with ALL the distribution methods (we're testing all of them this time :-) will be up for ftp shortly. Jordan > >ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.0.5-ALPHA/UPDATES > > > >Come and get 'em! > > I tried it. (One dated 950601.) > > I found that sysinstall included in it shows English messages only. I > tried French, Russian, and Japanese, for USAGE and README. The screen > font, however, seemed to be changed when I selected a language. > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 19:38:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA21609 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:39:55 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA21603 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:39:52 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA06178; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:39:44 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506020139.SAA06178@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: It's new floppy time, folks! To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506020023.RAA15909@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 1, 95 05:23:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1037 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Yes, I've fixed another mess-o-bugs! Thanks again to all for your > feedback. Response has been simply tremendous, and I get the ... > o ix0 (Intel etherexpress) probed too soon, confusing other devs. Not the ix0 driver, it was ie0 vs ep0 that the order changed on, I still don't know if there is a problem with some one possible smashing the ix0 driver by hitting port 0x100 as the Intel docs don't say anything about a port there. Also the ix0 probe is a readonly probe until it finds what is called the BART chip signature value which involves a complicated read sequence from 1 port. Not very likely to screw up another board doing 4 inb's to board I/O address + 0xF. > I've also added a number of "seat belts" to the installation, making > it much more difficult to hurt yourself. Please let me know how it > goes! But I don't like seat belts :-) :-) :-) -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 19:44:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA25325 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:44:25 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA25311 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:44:19 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id TAA01688; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:44:14 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506020244.TAA01688@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: It's new floppy time, folks! To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506020139.SAA06178@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 1, 95 06:39:44 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 436 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I've also added a number of "seat belts" to the installation, making > > it much more difficult to hurt yourself. Please let me know how it > > goes! > > But I don't like seat belts :-) :-) :-) Well I like seat belts better than (hot) air bags :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 20:08:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA26954 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:08:32 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA26939 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:08:21 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA00352; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:08:07 +0800 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:08:04 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: Can't boot a new 2.0.5A system In-Reply-To: <1426.802040922@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > I don't know how you other folks did it, but I can't boot a > > freshly installed 2.0.5A disk. I go through all the steps, choosing > > logical choices, but then when it goes to reboot, I get "Missing > > operating system". > > Geometry correct? Hmmmm... I thought one of the reasons why I bought a SCSI drive was to avoid worrying about stuff like geometry and cylinder translations and what not. At least I never had to worry about it on any other computer with a SCSI disk until now. The older installers guessed it correctly, so I didn't touch the settings on this one. Somehow, I made it work last night, possibly because of two things: I reformatted the drive using an MS-DOS 6.2 utility disk (which then proceeded to allocate most/all of the drive as C:). Then I grabbed the updated boot disk and used that. I noticed that tell the Partition Editor to use the entire disk for FreeBSD now results in a different layout. Before, it automatically created two partitions: a small 22-block unused one and one large FreeBSD partition. Now it creates two unused partitions, one from 0-62 blocks and the other from 2108106-2109375 blocks (1270 blocks). The chunk in between is allocated to FreeBSD. Somehow, I still have 1029 megabytes (although I didn't note down the block boundaries the first time around). After partitioning the disk, a dialog box popped up saying "Too many active children of 'whole'" and an exit button. Hitting the exit button returns you to the previous installation screen. No apparent bad side-effects. Just to be safe, I told the installer to write out a boot manager. After unpacking the bin distribution for about the 7th time that evening ;-), I edited /etc/fstab to mount my NFS /usr/local and /usr/X11R6, rebooted... and it worked! I didn't touch any of the geometry settings throughout the whole process. More notes later... -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 20:26:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA28412 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:26:00 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA28394 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:25:51 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA00436; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:25:37 +0800 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:25:37 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: libdescrypt.a now standard? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk From the 2.0.5-ALPHA/compat20/compat20.tgz file on the Taiwan mirror (netbsd.csie.nctu.edu.tw): # tar -ztvf compat20.tgz | grep des lrwxr-xr-x bin/bin 0 Feb 26 09:58 1995 usr/lib/libcrypt.so.2.0 -> libdescrypt.so.2.0 -r--r--r-- bin/bin 14039 Jan 26 03:06 1995 usr/lib/libdescrypt.so.2.0 Shouldn't compat20.tgz contain only the MD5 routines and have libcrypt.so.2. linked to libscrypt.so.2.0 by default? I nearly got nailed after a rdist'd the /etc/passwd and /etc/master.passwd from one of the other pre-2.0.5 machines and pwd_mkdb'd it. Luckily I decided to login as root in another virtual console, and that's when I discovered it was using DES. /usr/lib/libcrypt.a is still correctly symlinked to /usr/lib/libscrypt.a (from the bindist, I guess). -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 20:30:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA28788 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:30:08 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA28765 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:30:01 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA06187; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:33:01 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA00152; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:30:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199506020330.UAA00152@corbin.Root.COM> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Upgrading to 2.05A In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Jun 95 18:46:42 PDT." <199506020146.SAA06194@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 20:30:11 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> If this is true, I'm curious just what I'm gaining with the new >> filesystem, besides a new way to refer to partitions. > >Minfree change from 5% to 8% to correct for serious over allocation >problems (davidg knows more about this). Newfs parameter changes to It was changed to 8% to fix a hysteresis bug in the time/space optimization switching. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 20:34:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA29142 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:34:24 -0700 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA28764 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:30:01 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:30:01 -0700 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199506020330.UAA28764@freefall.cdrom.com> To: announce, hackers Subject: Ok, this time for real! Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I've prepared new floppies that seem to fix the outstanding ftp problems, work with DOS and NFS and generally solve all the world's problems (well, ok, perhaps not ALL of them, we still have Rush Limbaugh). Give them a try and let me know how they work! I've still got docs to write and better error handling to add so this isn't the _final_ revision by a long shot, but it should at least allow people to install all or most of the system over everything but floppies (which may also work but are not yet tested) without too much trouble. Thanks yet again for everyone's patience and feedback during this ALPHA cycle! I've been looking at this code for far too long and it helps me greatly to have all these "extra eyes" running it at this stage! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 20:34:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA29138 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:34:24 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA29123 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:34:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Brian Tao cc: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: libdescrypt.a now standard? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Jun 95 11:25:37 +0800." Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 20:34:20 -0700 Message-ID: <29117.802064060@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk WHOOPS!!! Aieee!!! I'll repack those bits right away, sorry!! Jordan > From the 2.0.5-ALPHA/compat20/compat20.tgz file on the Taiwan > mirror (netbsd.csie.nctu.edu.tw): > > # tar -ztvf compat20.tgz | grep des > lrwxr-xr-x bin/bin 0 Feb 26 09:58 1995 usr/lib/libcrypt.so.2.0 -> l ibdescrypt.so.2.0 > -r--r--r-- bin/bin 14039 Jan 26 03:06 1995 usr/lib/libdescrypt.so.2.0 > > Shouldn't compat20.tgz contain only the MD5 routines and have > libcrypt.so.2. linked to libscrypt.so.2.0 by default? I nearly got > nailed after a rdist'd the /etc/passwd and /etc/master.passwd from one > of the other pre-2.0.5 machines and pwd_mkdb'd it. Luckily I decided > to login as root in another virtual console, and that's when I > discovered it was using DES. /usr/lib/libcrypt.a is still correctly > symlinked to /usr/lib/libscrypt.a (from the bindist, I guess). > -- > Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao > taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 21:23:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA01356 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:23:52 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temp@temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA01347 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:23:48 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA13246; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:23:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:23:03 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Re: New installation floppys for 2.0.5A To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <19790.802037753@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk just a note if this hasn't been fixed in the lastest set, after the NFS and reboot, etc.... I told the disklabel program to mount /dos when it reboot it gave me errors, I noticed it didn't create a /dos so it could mount. I'm new to freebsd, so i don't know if your suppose to create this yourself or not. Just to keep in the back of your mind, when other things are fixed, when you select NFS slow computer or network card, and those features, there should be something telling you that you selected them, AND a feature to unselect them, maybe you selected the wrong thing, these things may not hurt the install, but it be better if you could. (I know this is the last thing you want to think about right now ;), but something to add later) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 21:43:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA02229 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:43:58 -0700 Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.57]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA02223 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:43:57 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id VAA15313 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:41:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Temptation cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: New installation floppys for 2.0.5A In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Jun 1995 00:23:03 EDT." Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 21:41:55 -0700 Message-ID: <15312.802068115@westhill.cdrom.com> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message , Tempt ation writes: > >just a note if this hasn't been fixed in the lastest set, after the NFS >and reboot, etc.... I told the disklabel program to mount /dos >when it reboot it gave me errors, I noticed it didn't create a /dos so >it could mount. I'm new to freebsd, so i don't know if your suppose to >create this yourself or not. Thanks - that was a bogon which was introduced in an attemt to fix the DOS FS install (it would try and remount the filesystem after the main install code had already mounted it). The directory for the mountpoint is now created, but the mount not done until needed. This should fix this problem, although I haven't rolled a new boot floppy yet to test this. Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 21:44:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA02242 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:44:09 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA02235 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:44:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199506020444.VAA02235@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Temptation cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: New installation floppys for 2.0.5A In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Jun 95 00:23:03 EDT." Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 21:44:07 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >just a note if this hasn't been fixed in the lastest set, after the NFS >and reboot, etc.... I told the disklabel program to mount /dos >when it reboot it gave me errors, I noticed it didn't create a /dos so >it could mount. I'm new to freebsd, so i don't know if your suppose to >create this yourself or not. You need to have the directory (or mount point) for the mount to succeed. >Just to keep in the back of your mind, when other things are fixed, when >you select NFS slow computer or network card, and those features, there >should be something telling you that you selected them, AND a feature to >unselect them, maybe you selected the wrong thing, these things may not >hurt the install, but it be better if you could. (I know this is the last >thing you want to think about right now ;), but something to add later) > -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 21:44:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA02271 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:44:31 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA02264 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:44:30 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA26144; Thu, 1 Jun 95 22:37:45 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506020437.AA26144@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: FreeBSD on 286? To: dbaker@Concorde-Mail.NeoSoft.COM (Daniel Baker) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 95 22:37:44 MDT Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Daniel Baker" at Jun 1, 95 04:50:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I've got an old 286 box with an 80 meg hard drive.. Is there any change > that I can get FreeBSD running on it? > > I think I can put memory in there, it's only got 640k of memory now.. :-) > heh, I'll add another 8 megs... The MACH VM system requires a PMMU; there are also assumptions in the swap, shared library, mmap, and linker that support this supposition. For the same reason, Motorolla processers prior to the 68030 or the 68020 with companion PMMU chip can't run NetBSD. Similarly, SVR2.3 is the last System V system that will run with the same hardware limitations. I've considered back-porting a simpler VM system, but the work would not be worth the effort (I don't even own anything less than a 486 except real old hardware, and I already have SVR2.3 for my Amiga 1000 with 68010), although it would probably be worthwhile to make memory overcommit switchable in MACH VM, which is similar to solving part of the problems involved. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 21:47:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA02487 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:47:24 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temp@temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA02481 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:47:21 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA13292; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:45:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:45:29 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Re: 2.0.5-ALPHA: Memory fault, sig 11 To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506020114.SAA18996@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Yes I had that same problem, Justin made me a kernel for my machine, and no more core dumps, everything works great now. Tho, I'm still testing the newest floppies by deleted everything and starting over, but I've finally got a install and programs working. On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Charles Henrich wrote: > It appears that the 2.0.5-ALPHA kernel has several massive conflicts that cause > endless core dumps and signal 11 traps during the boot phase, and then during > execution of codes such as systat. Once a custom kernel is rebuilt however, > things are much cleaner. > > I dont know whats different between the kernel config for the snapshots and for > 2.05A but whatever it is, we need to get it back to the snapshot phase, we're > thing never (for me anyway) screwed up on a dozen different machines.. > > -Crh > -- > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu > > http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 21:54:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA02843 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:54:53 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temp@temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA02810 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:54:03 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA13317; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:52:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:52:42 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Re: New installation floppys for 2.0.5A To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506020444.VAA02235@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > > > >just a note if this hasn't been fixed in the lastest set, after the NFS > >and reboot, etc.... I told the disklabel program to mount /dos > >when it reboot it gave me errors, I noticed it didn't create a /dos so > >it could mount. I'm new to freebsd, so i don't know if your suppose to > >create this yourself or not. > > You need to have the directory (or mount point) for the mount to succeed. I agree! you need to have /dos first before you mount -t dos /dev/whatever /dos the problem was, Install didn't create it, Nor did I see an option to create it, ( I suppose I could have switched to alt-f4 and created /dos before I rebooted???) So when I rebooted, it gave me errors, and never set up correctly, ( hostname, ifconfig etc....) I had to mkdir /dos, and then reboot again. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 22:09:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA03739 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:09:42 -0700 Received: from demerzel.sol.net ([204.95.172.242]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA03730 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:09:37 -0700 Received: from solaria.mil.wi.us (solaria.mil.wi.us [192.1.1.1]) by demerzel.sol.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA05725 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:09:26 -0500 Received: from localhost by solaria.mil.wi.us (8.5/8.5) id AAA12651; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:09:38 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199506020509.AAA12651@solaria.mil.wi.us> Subject: nvi: what an improvement :-) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 2 Jun 95 0:09:33 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 610 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Just had to edit my news history file. Some kind dolt out at somewhere.super.net.whatever decided to post an article with a horribly long message-ID, and I used vi to edit a 110MB history file (well, it was "cheap" and I didn't want to go fix it nicely). 78 cpu minutes to do it.. history: 1781538 lines, 110919568 characters. let's put it this way: the old vi never would have handled it. :-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 22:44:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA05228 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:44:40 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA05220 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:44:37 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA00796; Thu, 1 Jun 95 23:37:28 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506020537.AA00796@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Can't boot a new 2.0.5A system To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 95 23:37:28 MDT Cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Jun 2, 95 11:08:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Geometry correct? > > Hmmmm... I thought one of the reasons why I bought a SCSI drive > was to avoid worrying about stuff like geometry and cylinder > translations and what not. At least I never had to worry about it on > any other computer with a SCSI disk until now. The older installers > guessed it correctly, so I didn't touch the settings on this one. I thought the reson you installed DOs was so you had to once again worry about things you shouldn't have to worry about? It's a peaceful coeexistance thing. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 22:51:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA05573 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:51:32 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA05565 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:51:29 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id WAA02553; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:51:00 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199506020551.WAA02553@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Can't boot a new 2.0.5A system To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Cc: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9506020537.AA00796@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Jun 1, 95 11:37:28 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 579 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > Geometry correct? > > > > Hmmmm... I thought one of the reasons why I bought a SCSI drive > > was to avoid worrying about stuff like geometry and cylinder > > translations and what not. At least I never had to worry about it on > > any other computer with a SCSI disk until now. The older installers > > guessed it correctly, so I didn't touch the settings on this one. > > When in doubt freebsd looks to see what DOS did, so it you have a DOS partition, it'll use those geometry figures.. by definition then at least the BIOS and FreeBSD will match.. julian From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 22:58:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA06215 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:58:57 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA06205 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:58:47 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA00474; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:58:18 -0600 Message-Id: <199506020558.XAA00474@rover.village.org> To: Poul-Henning Kamp Subject: Re: It's new floppy time, folks! Cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes), jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 01 Jun 1995 19:44:12 PDT Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 23:58:17 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk : > But I don't like seat belts :-) :-) :-) : : Well I like seat belts better than (hot) air bags :-) I'm not sure about that. This reminds me of a comment that I had about the original install floppies. It should be possible for me to configure an interface that isn't listed in the menu. My ethernet card isn't at the default address (due to conflicts with other things) and so when I booted to do a configuration, I was not given the choice to configure the ethernet. This isn't for something like ftp install, but just the last menu item configure system. Again, I must say that this is a job well done! Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 23:14:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA07212 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:14:02 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA07203 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:14:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199506020614.XAA07203@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA20274; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 02:13:53 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: How does PCI probe work? (Compaq's are broke) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 02:13:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 508 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk If someone could give me some very rapid pointers on how (in what files) that PCI setup/probe's are done, I'd be very greatful. Im attempting to track down a problem with Compaq's that dont seem to respond to a PCI bus probe correctly (i.e. the system never sees ANYTHING on the PCI bus, nor PCI components such as the bridge controller). Any help is most appreciated. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 23:57:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA09338 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:57:34 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA09330 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:57:31 -0700 Message-Id: <199506020657.XAA09330@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA20536; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 02:57:30 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: A performance mystery To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 02:57:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 772 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I have a mystery for you folks. Consider this situation: a Compaq Prolinea 575 (75mhz Pentium) 24mb ram 3gb of "oldish" Seagate Disk on a Buslogic 946C and a Micron P90 Powerstation, 64mb ram Adaptec 2940 And a brand new Connor drive IOZONE rates disk access for the two systems at virtually the same (+- fudge) IOMem gives the compaq 10mb/7mb while its 10mb/20mb on the Micron Doing a time make of a specific configuration (kernel build) takes 9:30 on the Micron, but on the Compaq its only 8:30. Same exact config/source (brand new 2.0.5-A installs). Nothing else is going on on either boxes. Can anyone explain this to me? -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 1 23:59:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA09437 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:59:10 -0700 Received: from saul3.u.washington.edu (spaz@saul3.u.washington.edu [140.142.83.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA09430 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:59:09 -0700 Received: by saul3.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22219; Thu, 1 Jun 95 23:59:04 -0700 X-Sender: spaz@saul3.u.washington.edu Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:59:04 -0700 (PDT) From: John Utz To: Terry Lambert Cc: Daniel Baker , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on 286? In-Reply-To: <9506020437.AA26144@cs.weber.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Ahhh, terry, i was hoping u would way in on this one... :-) On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Terry Lambert wrote: > > I've got an old 286 box with an 80 meg hard drive.. Is there any change > > that I can get FreeBSD running on it? > > > > I think I can put memory in there, it's only got 640k of memory now.. :-) > > heh, I'll add another 8 megs... Hokay, we have established that this guy would be better of with a 386 and 4 megs as opposed to a 286 and 8 megs,, right? > > The MACH VM system requires a PMMU; there are also assumptions in the > swap, shared library, mmap, and linker that support this supposition. > This dovetails neatly with a question i have about this. It is my understanding that one of the reasons we have i*86BSD variants is that in addition to the ability to become 4 little seperate 8086's ( which we dont use, right? ), the 386 was the first cheap cpu to support a hardware page table, does our kernel make use of this? > For the same reason, Motorolla processers prior to the 68030 or the > 68020 with companion PMMU chip can't run NetBSD. exaclty which mac is this? They seem to be some real cheep used ones around here, and i would love a 2nd unix box > > Similarly, SVR2.3 is the last System V system that will run with the > same hardware limitations. > didn't linus' first effort get created on a 286? > I've considered back-porting a simpler VM system, but the work would > not be worth the effort (I don't even own anything less than a 486 > except real old hardware, and I already have SVR2.3 for my Amiga > 1000 with 68010) 68010? 68010? you are kidding! I had a class where we built stuff with 68010's is there anything still available that runs on these mega cheap amigas? wanna part with the whole thing? Is it usable? > > Terry Lambert > terry@cs.weber.edu > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > ******************************************************************************* John Utz spaz@stein.u.washington.edu idiocy is the impulse function in the convolution of life From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 00:18:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA10686 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:18:29 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA10676 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:18:23 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA15840; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:05:12 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506020735.RAA15840@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: A performance mystery To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:05:11 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506020657.XAA09330@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Charles Henrich" at Jun 2, 95 02:57:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1199 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Charles Henrich stands accused of saying: > > I have a mystery for you folks. Consider this situation: > > a Compaq Prolinea 575 (75mhz Pentium) > 24mb ram > 3gb of "oldish" Seagate Disk on a Buslogic 946C Which 'oldish' disk? Are we talking, say, ST11200's? > Micron P90 Powerstation, > 64mb ram > Adaptec 2940 > And a brand new Connor drive And which connor? > Doing a time make of a specific configuration (kernel build) takes 9:30 on the > Micron, but on the Compaq its only 8:30. Same exact config/source (brand new > 2.0.5-A installs). Nothing else is going on on either boxes. What sort of filesystem layouts do you have? Is the compaq working on just one drive, or several? > Can anyone explain this to me? More input. > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 00:24:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA11053 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:24:09 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA11043 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:24:05 -0700 Message-Id: <199506020724.AAA11043@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA20656; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 03:23:41 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: Re: A performance mystery To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 03:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506020735.RAA15840@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Jun 2, 95 05:05:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 565 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Which 'oldish' disk? Are we talking, say, ST11200's? The disk is a SEAGATE ST43400N > And which connor? Dont recall, but the Micron is all of a week old, I remember looking for the specs for the drive and couldnt find it, too new. > What sort of filesystem layouts do you have? Is the compaq working on just > one drive, or several? Both on one drive, Compaq has a 2500mb / 300mb swap, the Micron a 800M / and 200M swap. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 00:25:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA11130 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:25:12 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA11105 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:24:54 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA02425; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:24:36 +0800 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:24:35 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao Reply-To: FREEBSD-CHAT-L To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: libdescrypt.a now standard? In-Reply-To: <29117.802064060@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > WHOOPS!!! Aieee!!! That, folks, is the sound of an arms and munitions dealer getting his butt hauled off to a federal penitentiary. ;-) *sigh*... I suppose I shouldn't joke about it, after the NSA "advised" both NCSA and the Apache Project that their PGP and PEM authentication hooks are not legally exportable. :( > I'll repack those bits right away, sorry!! Sounds good.. Is the cryptography export warning still around on the install disk somewhere? I don't remember seeing it when the user goes to choose packages (someone else mentioned this too, I think). Replies set to freebsd-chat. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 00:28:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA11462 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:28:47 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA11445 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:28:41 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA02436; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:28:25 +0800 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:28:25 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Temptation , hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: New installation floppys for 2.0.5A In-Reply-To: <23881.802059739@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Syncing disks... 7 6 4 done > > unmount of /nfs failed (BUSY) > > (hang) > > You're probably parked in that directory with the shell > on ALT-F4! :-) Actually, I got this once without even touching the wizard shell on vty03. I think the installer is still sitting in one of the install directories (I'm installing over NFS too). Since the user is going to reboot anyway, would a "umount -f" be better? -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 00:29:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA11526 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:29:19 -0700 Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (peter@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA11512 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:29:14 -0700 Received: (from peter@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12/DIALix) id PAA16275; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:28:59 +0800 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:28:58 +0800 (WST) From: Peter Wemm To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Size of SIOCGIFCONF ioctl data structure Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Something interesting was bought up on the bind-workers mailing list.. Bind was getting a truncated list of interfaces (it bind()'s to them all so that it can handle multi-homed hosts correctly). Anyway, there is no way to calculate how much is *enough* space to pass for the buffer. One if the solutions proposed is to use a while loop, malloc'ing a larger buffer each time around and doing the ioctl(s, SIOCGIFCONF, &ifr) each time until it gets a non-truncated list. Sun (In solaris 2.3) have added a SIOCGIFNUM ioctl, that returns the number of interfaces, so that the request buffer can be appropriately sized in one go, rather than going over and over the loop. What would be the chances of adding such an ioctl to FreeBSD? Since FreeBSD can return variable sized ifreq structures with larger addresses for various address family types, something would have to be done there. There'd be two ways around it.. 1: Calculate the number of bytes and divide it by the basic size of the structure (and round up), so that programs like named could so "bufsize = nif * sizeof(struct ifreq) + FUDGE_FACTOR; " 2: Introduce Yet Another (TM) ioctl that returns the number of bytes. Yes, I know there's the sysctl() way of doing it, but I don't think that would make it into Paul Vixie's release for a while. There's many other generic programs "out there" that could also benefit from this, where the author's are not prepared to dump the existing code and rewrite it from scratch to the 4.4bsd way of doing it This affects people that are running machines with lots of aliases on their ethernet addresses for things like web servers, as well as people running lots of slip/ppp/tun interfaces. Opinions? -Peter From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 00:33:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA11885 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:33:37 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA11872 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:33:32 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA02451; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:33:28 +0800 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:33:28 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Does config spellcheck? (was Re: NMBCLUSTERS=2048) In-Reply-To: <199506010956.EAA00531@EndersBox.iadfw.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Jim Bryant wrote: > > Many many thanks for your suggestion to add 'options NMBCLUSTERS=2048' to > the config for our news server... Hmmmm... does 'config' do any sort of sanity checking on the options? I'm rebuilding a 2.0.5A kernel, but I accidentally typed "NMBCLUSTER=1024" (without the trailing 'S'), ran config, ran make depend, then make, then went to lunch. After I realized my error, I checked my make logs and didn't notice any errors pertaining to the typo. I'm rebuilding it just to be safe, but is it possible for config to doublecheck things like that? BTW, it only takes about 15 minutes to rebuild my kernel config after a "make depend". It used to take 23 minutes with 950412. Hope I didn't forget anything... -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 00:46:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA12878 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:46:39 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA12872 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:46:38 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA19224 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:46:40 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA15903; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:28:09 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506020758.RAA15903@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: A performance mystery To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:28:08 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506020741.RAA15855@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Charles Henrich" at Jun 2, 95 03:23:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1229 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Which 'oldish' disk? Are we talking, say, ST11200's? > > The disk is a SEAGATE ST43400N Hmm, rules out the smarts in the drive; the Elite 3's are pretty quick, but I wouldn't have thought that'd make the difference. > > And which connor? > > Dont recall, but the Micron is all of a week old, I remember looking for the > specs for the drive and couldnt find it, too new. Not even bundled with it? Sheesh. > > What sort of filesystem layouts do you have? Is the compaq working on just > > one drive, or several? > > Both on one drive, Compaq has a 2500mb / 300mb swap, the Micron a 800M / and > 200M swap. You're saying you have a single 2.5G filesystem with everything on it? Same blocking factors as the 800M filesystem? > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu Fresh out of ideas, I'm afraid. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 01:08:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA14229 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 01:08:14 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA14216 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 01:08:07 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA06938; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 01:07:47 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506020807.BAA06938@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: A performance mystery To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 01:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506020758.RAA15903@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Jun 2, 95 05:28:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1999 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > Which 'oldish' disk? Are we talking, say, ST11200's? > > > > The disk is a SEAGATE ST43400N > > Hmm, rules out the smarts in the drive; the Elite 3's are pretty quick, > but I wouldn't have thought that'd make the difference. > Elite 3's are quick to read but horrible slow at writes, they do *not* have a very good write behind cache in them. I was typically seeing 3.5MB/sec read but only 800KB/sec writes to these disk on wcarchive (a PILE of them). This was under FreeBSD 1.X so the cluster code may have helped this. Try running ``iozone 128 8192'' to make sure you get well outside of the buffer cache. I remeber you had a lot of memory in this box so your iozone read results where most likely pure cache unless you ran something other than auto. Better yet run it on the raw disk to see what the drive can really deliver. > > > And which connor? > > > > Dont recall, but the Micron is all of a week old, I remember looking for the > > specs for the drive and couldnt find it, too new. > > Not even bundled with it? Sheesh. Most OEM's buy there drives in OEM quantities, that means they get 1 copy of the OEM full blown manual (usually an inch or two thick) and 1000's of drives :-). They don't have anything to pass on to the end user. > > > What sort of filesystem layouts do you have? Is the compaq working on just > > > one drive, or several? > > > > Both on one drive, Compaq has a 2500mb / 300mb swap, the Micron a 800M / and > > 200M swap. > > You're saying you have a single 2.5G filesystem with everything on it? > Same blocking factors as the 800M filesystem? > > Fresh out of ideas, I'm afraid. I think the disk performance reported is not reflective enough of the drive to really know. Where both drives freshly newfs'ed with the exact same parameters. If not that can be a big difference. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 01:12:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA14338 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 01:12:15 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA14293 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 01:11:07 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA03145; Fri, 2 Jun 95 10:10:49 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id KAA12443 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:23:32 +0200 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:23:32 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199506020823.KAA12443@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: quantum (DEC) grand prix (any objections?) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I'm about to buy a Quantum Grand Prix (4GB) SCSI disk today. Keen as always I'm expecting there will be no trouble connecting it to a 1.1.5.1 (AH1542A) system, will there be? Any caveats wrt connecting it to ncr 53810 (Asus SP3G) under 2.0-current? --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950531 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0531 #0: Wed May 31 06:16:35 MET DST 1995 root@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 01:18:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA14477 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 01:18:49 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA14470 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 01:18:45 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA06976; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 01:17:10 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506020817.BAA06976@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: quantum (DEC) grand prix (any objections?) To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph P. Kukulies) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 01:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506020823.KAA12443@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph P. Kukulies" at Jun 2, 95 10:23:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 751 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I'm about to buy a Quantum Grand Prix (4GB) SCSI disk today. > Keen as always I'm expecting there will be no trouble connecting > it to a 1.1.5.1 (AH1542A) system, will there be? > Any caveats wrt connecting it to ncr 53810 (Asus SP3G) under 2.0-current? The Quantum Grand Prix has only been slammed in this list at least 5 times in the last 2 weeks. DO NOT buy it!!! We have seen compatibility problems between it and numorous controllers (ESPECIALLY the NCR 53C810 based controller). This drive claims to be ``SCSI-III'' and looks to have some rather strange compatibility problems. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 01:44:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA15885 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 01:44:56 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA15870 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 01:44:47 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA00956; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:44:14 +0800 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:44:13 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Julian Elischer cc: Terry Lambert , jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can't boot a new 2.0.5A system In-Reply-To: <199506020551.WAA02553@ref.tfs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Julian Elischer wrote: > > When in doubt freebsd looks to see what DOS did, so it you have a DOS > partition, it'll use those geometry figures.. Whatever it is that DOS does, can it be moved to FreeBSD? :) -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 04:12:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA21813 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 04:12:29 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA21802 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 04:12:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Temptation cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: New installation floppys for 2.0.5A In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Jun 95 00:23:03 EDT." Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 04:12:26 -0700 Message-ID: <21799.802091546@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > just a note if this hasn't been fixed in the lastest set, after the NFS > and reboot, etc.... I told the disklabel program to mount /dos > when it reboot it gave me errors, I noticed it didn't create a /dos so This should be fixed in the latest set. > Just to keep in the back of your mind, when other things are fixed, when > you select NFS slow computer or network card, and those features, there > should be something telling you that you selected them, AND a feature to > unselect them, maybe you selected the wrong thing, these things may not Well, you know what? I said it couldn't be done, but when I got this letter I went back and looked at the problem more carefully and it CAN be done. I'm doing it right now. Thanks for the spur! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 04:36:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA23748 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 04:36:20 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA23736 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 04:36:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Warner Losh cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes), FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: It's new floppy time, folks! In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Jun 95 23:58:17 MDT." <199506020558.XAA00474@rover.village.org> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 04:36:13 -0700 Message-ID: <23735.802092973@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > This reminds me of a comment that I had about the original install > floppies. It should be possible for me to configure an interface that > isn't listed in the menu. My ethernet card isn't at the default Umm.. Let me think about it! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 04:42:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA24031 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 04:42:21 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA24013 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 04:42:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: FREEBSD-CHAT-L cc: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: libdescrypt.a now standard? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Jun 95 15:24:35 +0800." Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 04:42:16 -0700 Message-ID: <24012.802093336@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > his butt hauled off to a federal penitentiary. ;-) *sigh*... I > suppose I shouldn't joke about it, after the NSA "advised" both NCSA You're right, you shouldn't joke about it.. :( Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 04:46:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA24304 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 04:46:13 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA24295 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 04:46:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol Prev-Resent: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 04:46:10 -0700 Prev-Resent: "hackers " Received: from GlobalXS.nl (asterix.GlobalXS.nl [193.67.240.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA15041 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 01:29:59 -0700 Received: (from wvdriel@localhost) by GlobalXS.nl (8.6.9/8.6.11) id KAA01343; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:28:59 +0200 Message-Id: <199506020828.KAA01343@GlobalXS.nl> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 95 10:29:17 DST From: wvdriel@globalxs.nl (W. van Driel) Reply-To: wvdriel@globalxs.nl (W. van Driel) To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com X-Mailer: W. van Driel's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: DIGIBOARD drivers Resent-To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Resent-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 04:46:10 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <24291.802093570@freefall.cdrom.com> Resent-From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 01 Jun 1995 17:34:18 -0700 you wrote: >> I'm vewwy interested in FreeBSD. >> >> I understand that you seek BETA testers, I'm a Internet Service >> Provider in the Netherlands. > >Uhh... You're not being very specific.. :-) > >I know from previous discussions with this man that he's actually >looking to test the DIGIBOARD support, not just FreeBSD in general (we >have PLENTY of FreeBSD testers in the Internet Service Provision >business, thanks!). I want to test DIGIBOARD support. I want to use them with FreeBSD, and I am a Dutch Dealer of DIGIBOARDS Met vriendelijke groet, Mit freundlichen Gruss, With many Greetings, -- -- Walter van Driel -- wvdriel@GlobalXS.nl -- Dutch Channel Ltd. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 04:55:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA25463 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 04:55:45 -0700 Received: from aphrodite.funet.fi (ukkonen@aphrodite.funet.fi [193.166.1.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA25220 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 04:54:13 -0700 Received: (from ukkonen@localhost) by aphrodite.funet.fi (8.6.11/8.6.11+CSC-2.0) id OAA08965; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 14:50:35 +0300 From: Jukka Ukkonen Message-Id: <199506021150.OAA08965@aphrodite.funet.fi> Subject: mirror at ftp.funet.fi To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 14:50:33 +0300 (EET DST) Latin-Date: Vineri II Iunie a.d. MCMXCV Organization: Centre for Scientific Computing (CSC) Phone: +358-0-4573208 (work) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1837 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi! I just noticed the info about the location of the mirrored FreeBSD source tree at ftp.funet.fi is incorrect in the MIRROR.SITES file. Currently it should read ftp://ftp.funet.fi/ftp/mirrors/ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD There is also a question I would like to ask. Just yesterday I started installing FreeBSD on a AMD486-100MHz machine with Aquarius-PCI mother board, a 1.2GB Western Digital hard disk, Mitsumi-4x CD-ROM, 3c509 Ethernet, Alps Membrane keyboard, and Diamond Stealth 64 with 2MB VRAM. Everything went smoothly during the fdisk, disklabel, and newfs etc. phase until the time the machine should have been rebooted from wd0. When I had removed the boot diskette from the drive and pressed the return key the machine just printed the message Rebooting... and seemingly hung there forever. Within the next 10 minutes nothing happened, and then I decided to try the reset button. Again the boot hung, though this time with the prompt Default: F? Apparently the machine did not read the keyboard correctly or it did not find the correct kernel image to load. With short intervals it only reprinted the same prompt again and again. Pressing the F-keys also caused the prompt to be reprinted but there was no more progress after that. Any ideas about what could be going wrong? Are there any certain modes that should be used by the BIOS to handle the keyboard or the disk at this time to make the boot code work? Cheers, // jau ------ / Jukka A. Ukkonen, FUNET / Centre for Scientific Computing /__ M.Sc. (sw-eng & cs) Tel: (Home) +358-0-578628 / Internet: ukkonen@csc.fi (Work) +358-0-4573208 / Internet: jau@funet.fi (Mobile) +358-400-606671 v X.400: c=fi, admd=fumail, no prmd, org=csc, pn=jukka.ukkonen From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 05:34:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA28201 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 05:34:47 -0700 Received: from Relay1.Austria.EU.net (relay1.Austria.EU.net [192.92.138.47]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA28187 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 05:34:36 -0700 From: Marino.Ladavac@aut.alcatel.at Received: from aut.alcatel.at (dnisun.aut.alcatel.at) by Relay1.Austria.EU.net with SMTP id AA24682 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 14:34:29 +0200 Received: from atuhc16 by aut.alcatel.at (4.1/SMI-4.1/AAA-1.29/main) id AA09402; Fri, 2 Jun 95 14:34:30 +0200 Message-Id: <9506021234.AA09402@atuhc16.aut.alcatel.at> Received: by atuhc16 (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA08226; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 14:34:29 +0200 Subject: Re: New installation floppys for 2.0.5A To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 95 14:34:28 METDST Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <23881.802059739@freefall.cdrom.com>; from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 01, 95 7:22 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > when installing /bin I still get this (this may by problem, corupt files?) > > > > ............................................................................. > ... > > gunzip: stdin: unexpected end of file > > /stand/cpio: premature end of file > > Debug: cpio returned error status of 1! > This is almost certainly corrupt files. You should check them > again. It is not. At the beginning of the NFS bin install, the installer says that it installs from 59 chunks. There are *60* of them, so the last one is skipped. Quick workaround is to cat the last two together, and to replace the one-before-last (bin.cg) with the catted version. Keep the originals, though (someplace else, perhaps.) The original set of bootdisks did not have this bug (it had others :) > > ......................................................................... > > /mnt: optimization changed from TIME to SPACE > > ........................................................................ > Not enough space allocated to / or /usr! > > new password: ( type same four char password) ( it accepts it this time, > > I don't know if its suppose to work this way, so I thought say something > > (i've never gotten Freebsd to install this far before)) > Feature. > > Syncing disks... 7 6 4 done > > unmount of /nfs failed (BUSY) > > (hang) > You're probably parked in that directory with the shell > on ALT-F4! :-) > Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 06:07:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA29841 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 06:07:45 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA29833 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 06:07:41 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id IAA23316; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 08:58:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 08:58:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: mailling list speed up To: hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk i have just changed hackers to use bulk_mailer. bulk_mailer will sort the subscribers of hackers and send the message to groups of 20 hosts. if there are more than one subscriber at a single host, all of those subscribers will be included in the same mail envelope. each envelope will be processed by a separate sendmail. we should see a significant speed up in delivery. i have added myself as the last addressee on each envelope. i will be able to measure how long it takes to process all the addresses in hackers (assuming that sendmail does each address in the qf file in order, not skipping on if an address times out. can someone confirm this??) jmb Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 06:19:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA00884 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 06:19:48 -0700 Received: from mail.id.net (kilroy.id.net [152.160.9.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA00875 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 06:19:41 -0700 Received: (from rls@localhost) by mail.id.net (8.6.8/8.6.6) id JAA04967 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:19:42 -0400 From: Robert Shady Message-Id: <199506021319.JAA04967@mail.id.net> Subject: GATED Configuration? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:19:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1220 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk We are a small Internet Service Provider located in Michigan. We have been allocated a block of IP's from 199.125.0.0 -> 199.125.7.0 for our use. We would like to have these routed to us, and have been told that BGP or OSPF would be the way to go. We have successfully compiled gated on our FreeBSD 2.0.5 system, but are slightly lost as how to configure it to broadcast the routes for those IP's. A traceroute FROM our current site, to the 199.125.1.1 IP address goes like this: traceroute to 199.125.1.1 (199.125.1.1), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 novi-gw1 (152.160.9.254) 4 ms 2 ms 2 ms 2 pri.ic.net (152.160.1.129) 34 ms 36 ms 35 ms 3 gateway.ic.net (152.160.1.254) 146 ms 208 ms 58 ms 4 152.160.68.254 (152.160.68.254) 48 ms 125 ms 38 ms 5 um-ici.cic.net (198.87.206.5) 48 ms 59 ms 41 ms 6 cpe2-ethernet0-1.Chicago.mci.net (198.108.2.129) 95 ms 42 ms 41 ms 7 cpe2-ethernet0-1.Chicago.mci.net (198.108.2.129) 46 ms !H * 456 ms !H Our router is at 152.160.9.254, and we wish all packets for the 8 class C's to be routed through it. We are running the latest version of gated. If anybody has ANY clue how to configure gated, your help would be greatly appreciated! -- Rob From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 06:26:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA01190 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 06:26:23 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA01176 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 06:26:03 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA15734 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 07:50:26 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA01637; 2 Jun 95 07:31:11 CDT (Fri) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id HAA01634; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 07:31:11 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199506021231.HAA01634@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD on 286? To: spaz@u.washington.edu (John Utz) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 07:31:10 -0500 (CDT) Cc: terry@cs.weber.edu, dbaker@concorde-mail.neosoft.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "John Utz" at Jun 1, 95 11:59:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 646 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Similarly, SVR2.3 is the last System V system that will run with the > > same hardware limitations. > didn't linus' first effort get created on a 286? 8088, actually. He used Minix to bootstrap it. I booted Minix on a PC with no hard drive and two floppies once. It ran. I understand it could even rebuild itself in that configuration... you can still buy Minix, from Prentice Hall I think. Don't let the folks on the Minix group know you're a BSD user. Jolitz crapped all over that group and got into a war with Tannenbaum (the author of Minix) before he left. I wouldn't recommend running NetBSD on anything smaller than an Amiga 3000. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 07:15:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA03579 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 07:15:32 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA03568 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 07:15:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199506021415.HAA03568@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Christoph P. Kukulies" cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: quantum (DEC) grand prix (any objections?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Jun 95 10:23:32 +0200." <199506020823.KAA12443@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 07:15:26 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I'm about to buy a Quantum Grand Prix (4GB) SCSI disk today. >Keen as always I'm expecting there will be no trouble connecting >it to a 1.1.5.1 (AH1542A) system, will there be? >Any caveats wrt connecting it to ncr 53810 (Asus SP3G) under 2.0-current? > >--Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de >FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950531 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 >0531 #0: Wed May 31 06:16:35 MET DST 1995 root@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d >e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 It will not work on the NCR. I have no idea about the 1542, since I haven't tried it, but a 1742 in Wcarchive had trouble with them. The drives work fine on any of the aic7xxx based cards with 2.0.5A. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 07:27:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA04740 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 07:27:29 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA04732 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 07:27:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Marino.Ladavac@aut.alcatel.at cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: New installation floppys for 2.0.5A In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Jun 95 14:34:28 +0700." <9506021234.AA09402@atuhc16.aut.alcatel.at> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 07:27:26 -0700 Message-ID: <4728.802103246@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It is not. At the beginning of the NFS bin install, the installer says > that it installs from 59 chunks. There are *60* of them, so the last one > is skipped. Quick workaround is to cat the last two together, and to AhHA! Thank you! This means that our info files our out of sync. Whoops! I'll run a new set for the next boot floppies.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 07:47:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA07278 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 07:47:23 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA07258 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 07:47:17 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA07924; Fri, 2 Jun 95 16:46:03 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id QAA13314; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:58:48 +0200 Message-Id: <199506021458.QAA13314@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: quantum (DEC) grand prix (any objections?) To: gibbs@freefall.cdrom.com (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:58:47 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) In-Reply-To: <199506021415.HAA03568@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at Jun 2, 95 07:15:26 am From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1164 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >I'm about to buy a Quantum Grand Prix (4GB) SCSI disk today. > >Keen as always I'm expecting there will be no trouble connecting > >it to a 1.1.5.1 (AH1542A) system, will there be? > >Any caveats wrt connecting it to ncr 53810 (Asus SP3G) under 2.0-current? > > > > It will not work on the NCR. I have no idea about the 1542, since I haven't > tried it, but a 1742 in Wcarchive had trouble with them. The drives work > fine on any of the aic7xxx based cards with 2.0.5A. > --nyone knowing the reasons why it does not work on the NCR? I mean the on board NCR of the ASUS SP3G PCI board. I will dare and buy this drive and I shall see. If all fails I'll connect it to my 1542CF. > Justin T. Gibbs > ============================================== > TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 > Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus > ============================================== > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950531 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0531 #0: Wed May 31 06:16:35 MET DST 1995 root@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 07:59:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA08658 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 07:59:44 -0700 Received: from miller.cs.uwm.edu (miller.cs.uwm.edu [129.89.35.13]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA08641 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 07:59:39 -0700 Received: (from james@localhost) by miller.cs.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) id JAA23717; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:58:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:58:26 -0500 From: Jim Lowe Message-Id: <199506021458.JAA23717@miller.cs.uwm.edu> To: bde@zeta.org.au, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Interval timer/System clock Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > From: Bruce Evans > Subject: Re: Interval timer/System clock > > I "fixed" hzto() by adding 1 to allow for the current partial clock tick. > This stops usleep(10000) from returning after as little as 10 usec when > the current clock tick expires. It causes usleep(1000000) in a loop to Ahh.. this is why select and all the other timer calls return after 30 ms when one specifies 20 ms... and I thought my machine was just slow :-). > take an average of 2000000 - (a few) usec instead of 1000000 - (a few) > usec. It breaks the it_interval arg to setitimer(). The fix may be to > subtract 1 from hzto() in realitexpire(). realitexpire() is synchronized > with the clock interrupt so it shouldn't compensate for partial clock > ticks. Initial intervals of less than 1 clock tick could be handled > more accurately by calling microtime() from hzto() to determine the > current partial clock tick. However, microtime() is slow. I will have to take a look at this code... Thanks for the pointer. > > Yes, it will break time adjustment. has many hard-coded > assumptions that hz == 100, e.g., SHIFT_HZ = 7. This problem may only > be serious if you use timed or xntpd or the undocumented option PPS_SYNC. Yup, need xntpd for the network/timing accurary between machines to decode MM packets in the correct order and in RT. Would it be resonable to propose a faster system clock than 10ms? The DEC hardware seems to run somewhere around 5ms which would give you an accurate user level clock at 10ms. Thanks for the pointers. -Jim From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 08:00:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA08884 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 08:00:53 -0700 Received: from apollo.hq.nasa.gov (apollo.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.121.87]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA08871 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 08:00:51 -0700 Received: from wirehead.hq.nasa.gov (wirehead.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.121.88]) by apollo.hq.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA06618; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:01:16 GMT Received: from localhost (cshenton@localhost) by wirehead.hq.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA09005; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:01:15 GMT Message-Id: <199506021501.PAA09005@wirehead.hq.nasa.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: wirehead.hq.nasa.gov: cshenton owned process doing -bs X-Authentication-Warning: wirehead.hq.nasa.gov: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com cc: Brian Tao Subject: Re: Can't boot a new 2.0.5A system In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Jun 1995 16:44:13 +0800." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <9001.802105270.1@wirehead.hq.nasa.gov> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 11:01:14 -0400 From: Chris Shenton Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Julian Elischer wrote: >> When in doubt freebsd looks to see what DOS did, so it you have a >> DOS partition, it'll use those geometry figures.. On Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:44:13 +0800 (CST), Brian Tao said: Brian> Whatever it is that DOS does, can it be moved to FreeBSD? Ditto. Some us aren't so (un)fortunate as to have DOS lying around :-) Why should I buy it when I'm not gonna run it -- just to format? Ick. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 08:01:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA09045 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 08:01:25 -0700 Received: from sass165.sandia.gov (sass165.sandia.gov [132.175.109.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA09025 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 08:01:21 -0700 Received: from sargon.mdl.sandia.gov (sargon.mdl.sandia.gov [134.253.20.128]) by sass165.sandia.gov (8.6.11/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA24906 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:07:43 -0600 Received: (aflundi@localhost) by sargon.mdl.sandia.gov (8.6.10) id JAA24405 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:01:18 -0600 Message-Id: <199506021501.JAA24405@sargon.mdl.sandia.gov> From: aflundi@sandia.gov (Alan F Lundin) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:01:18 -0600 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.4 2/2/92) To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD 2.0.5-Alpha Installation Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk First of all many thanks to the core team for all the wonderful ideas and software they've producted. I haven't managed to get 2.0.5A up yet, but I'm sure it's just because I'm being stupid or haven't read all the right things. I really don't understand the relevant details to the new slicing (how much pad goes up front, how much behind, what types/flags, etc), but I expect that'll be resolved soon with the "slices" document. The real "problem" (which I could ignore, like I've done for the past 2 years) is that I have a Fujitsu SCSI M2624SA 520.1M (formatted) disk, but only 507M are being used because of a conservative geometry read in (from the disk?) by the installation program. That's about 13M that's being wasted and it seems like I ought to have a way to reclaim it, especially since I don't used DOS and hence don't need to play silly DOS/BIOS games. (I've noticed for years that third party vendors pre-format or pre-label or document cyl/hd/sec values that similarly waste large amounts of space, and I've found it worthwhile for the disks I used on the Sun hardware here to find better values). In the install program (which is really neat work BTW) I've tried to adjust the geometry using the G command. It updates the geometry at the top of the screen, but doesn't seem to re-calulate the total number of sectors, so changing the geometry doesn't seem to really do anything useful for me (at least I don't see a way to use it). I tried the Wizard mode, and fed it a "phys ## ## ##" command which seemed to be a step in the right direction, but I couldn't figure out what to do next (slice ignorance as well as Wizard mode ignorance). Just to make this problem a little harder, my documentation for the SCSI disk drive does not reveal how many sectors are available (Fujitsu appears to have taken seriously the convention of manufacturers not giving users all the information they need to know!). Which brings to mind an idea. How hard would it be to add a probe command to the install program that would take a user provided absolute sector number (or a cyl/hd/sec number set), read that sector and return a read success or failure status. That way a user could discover how big their disk really is, then from that fake up some cyl/hd/sec values to get as close as possible to that max abs sector value. (It surely would be nice to throw out this geometry non-sense and just deal in sectors for SCSI disks!). Anyway, in summary, is there a way to change the disk geometry values that then uses a new abs. sector count based on that geometry (I'm interested in a FreeBSD-only disk, but perhaps others are also interest in mixed DOS/FreeBSD/??? disk), and is there an easy way to do a probe a SCSI disk to find the real total number of sectors (as opposed to reading the bogus DOS'ified cyl/hd/sec values from the SCSI label)? Again, many thanks for a great job. --alan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 08:04:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA09565 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 08:04:40 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA09545 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 08:04:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199506021504.IAA09545@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Christoph Kukulies cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) Subject: Re: quantum (DEC) grand prix (any objections?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Jun 95 16:58:47 +0200." <199506021458.QAA13314@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 08:04:33 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> >> >I'm about to buy a Quantum Grand Prix (4GB) SCSI disk today. >> >Keen as always I'm expecting there will be no trouble connecting >> >it to a 1.1.5.1 (AH1542A) system, will there be? >> >Any caveats wrt connecting it to ncr 53810 (Asus SP3G) under 2.0-current? >> > >> >> It will not work on the NCR. I have no idea about the 1542, since I haven't >> tried it, but a 1742 in Wcarchive had trouble with them. The drives work >> fine on any of the aic7xxx based cards with 2.0.5A. > > >> --nyone knowing the reasons why it does not work on the NCR? I mean >the on board NCR of the ASUS SP3G PCI board. Some incompatibility with the code the NCR runs (I don't know if its called a sequencer program like it is for the Adaptec). The aic7xxx driver had a similar problem, but was fixed more than a month ago. >I will dare and buy this drive and I shall see. If all fails >I'll connect it to my 1542CF. > >> Justin T. Gibbs >> ============================================== >> TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 >> Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus >> ============================================== >> > >--Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de >FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950531 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 >0531 #0: Wed May 31 06:16:35 MET DST 1995 root@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d >e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 08:25:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA11672 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 08:25:07 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA11663 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 08:25:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199506021525.IAA11663@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA22060; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:24:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:24:55 -0400 From: Charles Henrich To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: A performance mystery X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #10 (NOV) Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Try running ``iozone 128 8192'' to make sure you get well outside of > the buffer cache. I remeber you had a lot of memory in this box > so your iozone read results where most likely pure cache unless you > ran something other than auto. Better yet run it on the raw disk to > see what the drive can really deliver. Iozone was run with "200" to work on 200mb files, to ensure the memory had no real effect. Both systems we're freshly formatted about an hour before the test using the 2.0.5A installer. With the iozone numbers being so equivlant (Seacrate 2.3mb write/4.2 read, Connor 2.2write/4.3 read [all within test noise]) its probably not the disk. -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 09:11:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA15632 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:11:34 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA15617 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:11:27 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id JAA03864; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:09:53 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506021609.JAA03864@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: It's new floppy time, folks! To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506020558.XAA00474@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Jun 1, 95 11:58:17 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 499 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > : Well I like seat belts better than (hot) air bags :-) > > I'm not sure about that. > > This reminds me of a comment that I had about the original install > floppies. It should be possible for me to configure an interface that > isn't listed in the menu. My ethernet card isn't at the default boot /kernel -c -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 09:33:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA16537 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:33:58 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA16476 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:33:51 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id MAA28799; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 12:22:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 12:22:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: 2.0.5-ALPHA install buglet and [Q's] To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk running the install on a Dell XP4100C, but not installing (its not mine) the to shell does not work. rather it escapes from the current menu to the next one up in the hierarchy. details: boot.flp as of Jun 2 03:29 cksum boot.flp gives 2402788656 1228800 dell latitude xp4100c attached to docking station scsi rom bios 9c50/950 v8.41 future domain corp. (supported??) no scsi devices wdc0 disk is st9385ag 325mb 934/14/51 (c/h/s) 512bytes/sec boot pause at least 2 minutes after mcd1 probe printout continues boot/probe sequence later boots done with '-c' and 'dis mcd0; dis mcd1; dis matcd' Bios basemem (638K) != RTC basemem (640K) 486dx4 100 id=0x480 stepping=0 features=0x3 (FPU,VME) VME?? in a laptop? ;) devices found: sc0 sio0 lpt0 fdc0 wdc0 has smc9000 ethernet at irq 10 and port 300 in the docking station (ed driver??) a XP4100D (yes D not C, newer model) can be ordered easily here. so i am tempted to get one. XP4100D details chipset western digital 8110 video cirrus cl-gd7543 tRAC 80ns ( grrr....) tCAC 20ns docking station: smc 91c92 10 base-t future domain 9c50 scsi-2 'compliant' comments please jmb Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 09:34:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA16552 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:34:01 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA16387 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:33:51 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA24681 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:29:43 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id JAA03919; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:19:37 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506021619.JAA03919@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: It's new floppy time, folks! To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Cc: imp@village.org, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <23735.802092973@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 2, 95 04:36:13 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 477 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > This reminds me of a comment that I had about the original install > > floppies. It should be possible for me to configure an interface that > > isn't listed in the menu. My ethernet card isn't at the default > > Umm.. Let me think about it! :-) > All he needs is to boot with '-c' :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 09:52:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA17279 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:52:03 -0700 Received: from squid.umd.edu (squid.umd.edu [129.2.40.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA17271 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:52:01 -0700 Received: by squid.umd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA22388; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:00:08 -0400 From: fcawth@squid.umd.edu (Fred Cawthorne) Message-Id: <9506021700.AA22388@squid.umd.edu> Subject: Re: Can't boot a new 2.0.5A system To: julian@ref.tfs.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 95 13:00:07 EDT Cc: terry@cs.weber.edu, taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506020551.WAA02553@ref.tfs.com>; from "Julian Elischer" at Jun 1, 95 10:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > > > > Geometry correct? > > > > > > Hmmmm... I thought one of the reasons why I bought a SCSI drive > > > was to avoid worrying about stuff like geometry and cylinder > > > translations and what not. At least I never had to worry about it on > > > any other computer with a SCSI disk until now. The older installers > > > guessed it correctly, so I didn't touch the settings on this one. > > > > > When in doubt freebsd looks to see what DOS did, so it you have a DOS > partition, it'll use those geometry figures.. > > by definition then at least the BIOS and FreeBSD will match.. > The new install got the wrong geometry even when I had FreeBSD 2.0 on the entire disk... Perhaps there was a problem with the stuff that an old fdisk created??? I don't remember if I ever installed with an NCR controller before. (I used to have an Adaptec 1542CF on here...) So, maybe my NCR scsi bios is messing things up??? Are you guys sure that the user setting of the geometry thing (i.e. G in the fdisk screen) is working properly?? Fred. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 10:27:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA19060 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:27:54 -0700 Received: from squid.umd.edu (squid.umd.edu [129.2.40.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA19046 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:27:51 -0700 Received: by squid.umd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA22578; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:35:12 -0400 From: fcawth@squid.umd.edu (Fred Cawthorne) Message-Id: <9506021735.AA22578@squid.umd.edu> Subject: Re: Can't boot a new 2.0.5A system To: fcawth@squid.umd.edu (Fred Cawthorne) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 95 13:35:11 EDT Cc: julian@ref.tfs.com, terry@cs.weber.edu, taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9506021700.AA22388@squid.umd.edu>; from "Fred Cawthorne" at Jun 2, 95 1:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > The new install got the wrong geometry even when I had FreeBSD 2.0 on > the entire disk... Perhaps there was a problem with the stuff that > an old fdisk created??? I don't remember if I ever installed with an NCR > controller before. (I used to have an Adaptec 1542CF on here...) > So, maybe my NCR scsi bios is messing things up??? > Are you guys sure that the user setting of the geometry thing (i.e. G in > the fdisk screen) is working properly?? > > Fred. > > Hmmm. I guess there was something funny going on with translation. I just tried again with a small dos partition on the disk and it appears to boot properly. Anyway, the method of making a dos partition on the disk so that fdisk gets the geometry seems to work fine... Perhaps I was doing something wrong when I tried this before... Fred. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 10:33:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA19445 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:33:39 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA19439 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:33:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199506021733.KAA19439@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA22693; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:33:05 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: Which mkisofs? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:33:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 276 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hey folks, where might I find the FreeBSD version of mkisofs? (Jordon, didnt you mention a cleaned up version at some point a while ago?) -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 10:41:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA20027 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:41:08 -0700 Received: from aries.ai.net (ai.net [198.69.35.206]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA20014 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:41:04 -0700 Received: (from nc@localhost) by aries.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id NAA25122; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:39:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:39:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Coordinator To: Robert Shady cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GATED Configuration? In-Reply-To: <199506021319.JAA04967@mail.id.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Robert Shady wrote: > We are a small Internet Service Provider located in Michigan. We have been > allocated a block of IP's from 199.125.0.0 -> 199.125.7.0 for our use. We > would like to have these routed to us, and have been told that BGP or OSPF > would be the way to go. We have successfully compiled gated on our FreeBSD > 2.0.5 system, but are slightly lost as how to configure it to broadcast > the routes for those IP's. A traceroute FROM our current site, to the > 199.125.1.1 IP address goes like this: > > traceroute to 199.125.1.1 (199.125.1.1), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets > 1 novi-gw1 (152.160.9.254) 4 ms 2 ms 2 ms > 2 pri.ic.net (152.160.1.129) 34 ms 36 ms 35 ms > 3 gateway.ic.net (152.160.1.254) 146 ms 208 ms 58 ms > 4 152.160.68.254 (152.160.68.254) 48 ms 125 ms 38 ms > 5 um-ici.cic.net (198.87.206.5) 48 ms 59 ms 41 ms > 6 cpe2-ethernet0-1.Chicago.mci.net (198.108.2.129) 95 ms 42 ms 41 ms > 7 cpe2-ethernet0-1.Chicago.mci.net (198.108.2.129) 46 ms !H * 456 ms !H > > Our router is at 152.160.9.254, and we wish all packets for the 8 class C's > to be routed through it. We are running the latest version of gated. > If anybody has ANY clue how to configure gated, your help would be greatly > appreciated! If you already have a router, you should use that to do your dirty work. If you mean to say your gated machine is at that address, you will need to create a gated configuration file. The web site has a very good set of documentation [including sample BGP scripts] I haven't setup a BGP config file in a while, but I suspect you will need a config similar to below. Add more a.b.c.0 lines for each of your class C's. Gated is a VAST speed improvement over routed in even point-to-point IP connections, just FYI. -Jerry. interfaces { interface all passive; }; export proto bgp { # broadcast; proto bgp { a.b.c.0 metric 1; } ; }; From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 10:42:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA20282 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:42:51 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA20272 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:42:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which mkisofs? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Jun 95 13:33:05 EDT." <199506021733.KAA19439@freefall.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 10:42:49 -0700 Message-ID: <20271.802114969@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk /usr/src/gnu/usr.sbin/mkisofs There are no uncommited fixes to it. Though I wish there were! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 10:52:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA21141 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:52:25 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA21135 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:52:21 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA20297; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:52:18 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id TAA16618 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:52:17 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA15078 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:27:22 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506021727.TAA15078@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Does config spellcheck? (was Re: NMBCLUSTERS=2048) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:27:22 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Jun 2, 95 03:33:28 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 734 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Brian Tao wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Jim Bryant wrote: > > > > Many many thanks for your suggestion to add 'options NMBCLUSTERS=2048' to > > the config for our news server... > > Hmmmm... does 'config' do any sort of sanity checking on the > options? How do you suppose it should? There's no such thing like an official list of allowable options, everybody is free to invent new options, and it's also possible to override several parameters from config level (e.g. a bunch of VM params, since the appropriate header files do only #define them bracketed within an #ifdef). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 10:53:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA21341 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:53:24 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA21333 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:53:13 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA20295; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:52:17 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id TAA16615; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:52:09 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA15049; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:23:51 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506021723.TAA15049@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Backing up on Exabyte 8MM Tape ?? To: john@pyromania.apana.org.au (John Herks) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:23:51 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506020123.LAA05717@pyromania.apana.org.au> from "John Herks" at Jun 2, 95 11:23:38 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 653 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As John Herks wrote: > > > What is the correct format for backing up and restoring (a directory > tree) on a Exabyte tape drive ??? > > Do I use tar or mt ? The pro's and con's of tar vs. dump/restore have been discussed here recently. You've got the choice between tar, cpio and pax on the one hand, and dump/restore on the other. If you are adventurous, you can also make something like a backup with dd. :-) I hardly doubt you could make anything roughly comparable with a backup using ``mt''. ;-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 10:54:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA21510 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:54:44 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA21501 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:54:34 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA20291; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:52:09 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id TAA16612 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:52:08 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA15038 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:21:23 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506021721.TAA15038@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Cant boot a new 2.0.5A system To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:21:22 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506020016.RAA00968@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Jun 1, 95 05:16:41 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 646 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > The surest and easiest way to get it 100% right (by definition) is: > boot dos > delete all freebsd slices > make (at least) one dos slice > boot boot.flp > (delete dos slice if you don't want it) > create freebsd slice(s) Why do i have to boot DOS? (Where should i get one? :) The previous versions (after 2.0) have been able to locate the BSD partition immediately at the beginning of the drive if i told ``Use whole disk'', so why has this been changed now? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 11:05:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA22243 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:05:35 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA22233 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:05:33 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA26773; Fri, 2 Jun 95 11:58:46 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506021758.AA26773@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: FreeBSD on 286? To: spaz@u.washington.edu (John Utz) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 95 11:58:45 MDT Cc: dbaker@Concorde-Mail.NeoSoft.COM, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "John Utz" at Jun 1, 95 11:59:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Ahhh, terry, i was hoping u would way in on this one... :-) I been set up. > Hokay, we have established that this guy would be better of with > a 386 and 4 megs as opposed to a 286 and 8 megs,, right? No question, if what he wants is to run what FreeBSD currently has. > > The MACH VM system requires a PMMU; there are also assumptions in the > > swap, shared library, mmap, and linker that support this supposition. > > This dovetails neatly with a question i have about this. It is my > understanding that one of the reasons we have i*86BSD variants is that in > addition to the ability to become 4 little seperate 8086's ( which we > dont use, right? ), the 386 was the first cheap cpu to support a hardware > page table, does our kernel make use of this? We don't use the VM86 (thanks for bowing to my hobby horse 8-)), and yes, the ability to do virtual memory is more like it. And yes, there is use made of the page table. 8-). > exaclty which mac is this? They seem to be some real cheep used > ones around here, and i would love a 2nd unix box You'd have to look up MacBSD to be sure. A 68020 with a PMMU or a 68030 is supposed to work -- specifically, an SX30. The 040 was (last time I checked) in need of different memory management primitives, so it didn't work at the time. Not to mention that Apple doesn't document bus or device interfaces hardly at all (or I'd have ported to their PPC when it came out, come hell or high water -- I think it's a *very* sexy processer). > didn't linus' first effort get created on a 286? Not as far as I know. Minix was on the 286. Linus wanted a POSIX system. Maybe you are thinking of Minix? > > I've considered back-porting a simpler VM system, but the work would > > not be worth the effort (I don't even own anything less than a 486 > > except real old hardware, and I already have SVR2.3 for my Amiga > > 1000 with 68010) > > 68010? 68010? you are kidding! I had a class where we built stuff with > 68010's > > is there anything still available that runs on these mega cheap > amigas? Lots of software -- Commodore is dead. > wanna part with the whole thing? Is it usable? No I don't want to part with it, yes, it's still usable, and no, I don't think my source license is transferrable (except to equipment I own). The point was just that it wouldn't be worth my time, since the only hardware I have that could benefit already has a UNIX OS running on it. I might get side benefit out of making overcommit switchable, but that's not really enough incentive. I have better hardware on the way that I'll spend my time on. 8-). Personally, if I were him and I were that attached to my 286, I'd find Xenix 2.1 for it. Probably cost him more that it would cost to upgrade the hardware so it could run a free OS. It's his call. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 11:19:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA23179 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:19:54 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA23170 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:19:46 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA07785; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:19:07 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506021819.LAA07785@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: quantum (DEC) grand prix (any objections?) To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Cc: gibbs@freefall.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506021458.QAA13314@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph Kukulies" at Jun 2, 95 04:58:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 949 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > >I'm about to buy a Quantum Grand Prix (4GB) SCSI disk today. > > >Keen as always I'm expecting there will be no trouble connecting > > >it to a 1.1.5.1 (AH1542A) system, will there be? > > >Any caveats wrt connecting it to ncr 53810 (Asus SP3G) under 2.0-current? > > > > > > > It will not work on the NCR. I have no idea about the 1542, since I haven't > > tried it, but a 1742 in Wcarchive had trouble with them. The drives work > > fine on any of the aic7xxx based cards with 2.0.5A. > > > > --nyone knowing the reasons why it does not work on the NCR? I mean > the on board NCR of the ASUS SP3G PCI board. > > I will dare and buy this drive and I shall see. If all fails > I'll connect it to my 1542CF. IT WILL FAIL ON THE NCR 53C810!!! I have already told you that!!! -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 11:22:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA23341 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:22:03 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA23334 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:21:53 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA07801; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:21:36 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506021821.LAA07801@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: quantum (DEC) grand prix (any objections?) To: gibbs@freefall.cdrom.com (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.Org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506021504.IAA09545@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at Jun 2, 95 08:04:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1362 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk > > >> > >> >I'm about to buy a Quantum Grand Prix (4GB) SCSI disk today. > >> >Keen as always I'm expecting there will be no trouble connecting > >> >it to a 1.1.5.1 (AH1542A) system, will there be? > >> >Any caveats wrt connecting it to ncr 53810 (Asus SP3G) under 2.0-current? > >> > > >> > >> It will not work on the NCR. I have no idea about the 1542, since I haven't > >> tried it, but a 1742 in Wcarchive had trouble with them. The drives work > >> fine on any of the aic7xxx based cards with 2.0.5A. > > > > > >> --nyone knowing the reasons why it does not work on the NCR? I mean > >the on board NCR of the ASUS SP3G PCI board. > > Some incompatibility with the code the NCR runs (I don't know if its called > a sequencer program like it is for the Adaptec). The aic7xxx driver had a > similar problem, but was fixed more than a month ago. Can you provide specific details of what you had to do to the sequencer code for the aic7xxx, the NCR does infact use sequencer code and the same fix could probably be adapted into it makeing the Grand Prix supportable. It may also fix the problems with certain CDROM drives and TAPE drives that show a very similiar failure to the Grand Prix drive. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 11:25:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA23738 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:25:17 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA23720 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:25:09 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA07817; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:24:45 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506021824.LAA07817@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: A performance mystery To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506021525.IAA11663@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Charles Henrich" at Jun 2, 95 11:24:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1142 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > Try running ``iozone 128 8192'' to make sure you get well outside of > > the buffer cache. I remeber you had a lot of memory in this box > > so your iozone read results where most likely pure cache unless you > > ran something other than auto. Better yet run it on the raw disk to > > see what the drive can really deliver. > > Iozone was run with "200" to work on 200mb files, to ensure the memory had no > real effect. Both systems we're freshly formatted about an hour before the > test using the 2.0.5A installer. With the iozone numbers being so equivlant > (Seacrate 2.3mb write/4.2 read, Connor 2.2write/4.3 read [all within test > noise]) its probably not the disk. Okay, try a memory bandwidth benchmark to see if we have something there that is grossly different. A quick and easy bcopy test is to run iozone that does not remove the temp file on a 1/4 memory size file repeatedly, that should hit the buffer cache totatally and give us ~ bcopy rates. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 11:27:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA23921 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:27:03 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA23909 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:26:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199506021826.LAA23909@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA22986; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 14:26:32 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: Re: A performance mystery To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 14:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506021824.LAA07817@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 2, 95 11:24:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 530 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Okay, try a memory bandwidth benchmark to see if we have something there > that is grossly different. A quick and easy bcopy test is to run iozone > that does not remove the temp file on a 1/4 memory size file repeatedly, > that should hit the buffer cache totatally and give us ~ bcopy rates. The ram-speed test posted here a couple of weeks ago gives: Micon: 10mb/20mb Compaq: 10mb/7mb -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 11:32:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA24397 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:32:25 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA24389 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:32:23 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA29035; Fri, 2 Jun 95 12:25:33 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506021825.AA29035@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Size of SIOCGIFCONF ioctl data structure To: peter@haywire.DIALix.COM (Peter Wemm) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 95 12:25:33 MDT Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Peter Wemm" at Jun 2, 95 03:28:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [ ... how to count interfaces ... ] > Opinions? In preference order: 1) Do it via sysctrl anyway. 2) Do it the Sun way. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 11:53:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA26262 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:53:24 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA26253 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:53:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199506021853.LAA26253@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Subject: Re: quantum (DEC) grand prix (any objections?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Jun 95 11:21:36 PDT." <199506021821.LAA07801@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 11:53:16 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> >> >I'm about to buy a Quantum Grand Prix (4GB) SCSI disk today. >> >> >Keen as always I'm expecting there will be no trouble connecting >> >> >it to a 1.1.5.1 (AH1542A) system, will there be? >> >> >Any caveats wrt connecting it to ncr 53810 (Asus SP3G) under 2.0-current >? >> >> > >> >> >> >> It will not work on the NCR. I have no idea about the 1542, since I haven >'t >> >> tried it, but a 1742 in Wcarchive had trouble with them. The drives work >> >> fine on any of the aic7xxx based cards with 2.0.5A. >> > >> > >> >> --nyone knowing the reasons why it does not work on the NCR? I mean >> >the on board NCR of the ASUS SP3G PCI board. >> >> Some incompatibility with the code the NCR runs (I don't know if its called >> a sequencer program like it is for the Adaptec). The aic7xxx driver had a >> similar problem, but was fixed more than a month ago. > >Can you provide specific details of what you had to do to the sequencer >code for the aic7xxx, the NCR does infact use sequencer code and the >same fix could probably be adapted into it makeing the Grand Prix supportable. > >It may also fix the problems with certain CDROM drives and TAPE drives >that show a very similiar failure to the Grand Prix drive. > >-- >Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com >Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD The problem with the aic7xxx was fairly simple. Whenever a selection was being made to a device, as initiated by turning on the selection hardware, the sequencer code always always assumed that it would win. With slow devices, this is not a problem, but with fast devices, and my guess is that the Grand Prix goes right to the limit of the spec on the bus settle times and such, there was a window between the last time we checked to see if other initiators or targets had won arbitration, and when we started our own arbitration for the bus. During arbitration, the original code from John Aycock would just busy look until sucess. This would cause other devices that won arbitration of the bus by sneeking into during the window to timeout on the card and fall off the bus. The fix, and this may only be an option on the aic7xxx, was to keep the reselection hardware enabled at all times, and enable selections whenever we wanted to arbitrate. When we start a transaction, we go back to the generic loop that looks for reconnections, successfull selections, and soon, selections from another initiator (target mode). This fixed the problem quite nicely, but you need to add aditional state to handle the case that your selection failed and the next time the bus goes free to try it again. For the aic7xxx, this is all handled transparantly to the kernel. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 11:54:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA26419 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:54:10 -0700 Received: from ifqsc.sc.usp.br (uspfsc.ifqsc.sc.usp.br [143.107.228.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA26400 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:54:02 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 95 15:46 BRT From: Carlos Antonio Ruggiero Subject: Slip hangs my machine :-( To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Message-id: X-Envelope-to: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-VMS-To: IN%"freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org" X-VMS-Cc: TOTO References: Internet: ifqsc.usp.br HepNet: uspfsc.hepnet X.25:(0724)11620020 Comments: ifqsc.usp.br: Instituto de Fisica e Quimica de Sao Carlos - USP, BR Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi everybody, I'm having trouble with my slip connection. I waited for 2.0.5 to see if the problem went away but it is still there... I have a leased line to my university ( a cisco router) and a US Robotics V.FC 28.800 on each side of the connection. The cisco router is rather old and only supports slip (no VJ compression) I've been using this setup since september 1993 (the modem was 14400) with no problems whatsoever. However, since one of the latest snaps (the march one I think) the slip connection hangs the machine after 1 or 2 megabytes of transfers. When I say "hangs" I mean it! No activity, no ALT-FN, nada. Only the big red button... I'm sure it's not a hardware problem because DOS, OS/2 (aaarrrgh) and linux seem to be very happy with it. I've been transferring hundreds of megabytes using linux with no problems. I believe it's got to do with some configuration thing but I am really not sure. What I do is: slattach -s 38400 -h /dev/cuaa1 ifconfig sl0 143.107.228.51 143.107.228.4 route add default 143.107.228.4 And that is all. It works for a while and ... freezes... Do I have to set cuaa1 to some state? Any other parameter to slattach? Please help!! It is funny that I have to use linux when FreeBSD was so nice in this respect when linux was quite shaky, two years ago... Ahh, FreeBSD 2.0 Release seems to be fine but I need the 2940 device driver to use my 2.1G disk and my Exabyte tape :-) Thanks Carlos Ruggiero (toto@ifq.sc.usp.br) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 11:57:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA26765 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:57:30 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA26758 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:57:28 -0700 Message-Id: <199506021857.LAA26758@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Carlos Antonio Ruggiero cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slip hangs my machine :-( In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Jun 95 15:46:00 +0700." Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 11:57:27 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Hi everybody, > >I'm having trouble with my slip connection. I waited for 2.0.5 >to see if the problem went away but it is still there... > >I have a leased line to my university ( a cisco router) and a >US Robotics V.FC 28.800 on each side of the connection. The cisco >router is rather old and only supports slip (no VJ compression) > >I've been using this setup since september 1993 (the modem was 14400) >with no problems whatsoever. However, since one of the latest >snaps (the march one I think) the slip connection hangs >the machine after 1 or 2 megabytes of transfers. When I say >"hangs" I mean it! No activity, no ALT-FN, nada. Only the big >red button... > >I'm sure it's not a hardware problem because DOS, OS/2 (aaarrrgh) >and linux seem to be very happy with it. I've been transferring >hundreds of megabytes using linux with no problems. > >I believe it's got to do with some configuration thing but I am >really not sure. What I do is: >slattach -s 38400 -h /dev/cuaa1 >ifconfig sl0 143.107.228.51 143.107.228.4 >route add default 143.107.228.4 > >And that is all. It works for a while and ... freezes... Do >I have to set cuaa1 to some state? Any other parameter to slattach? > >Please help!! It is funny that I have to use linux when FreeBSD >was so nice in this respect when linux was quite shaky, two years >ago... > >Ahh, FreeBSD 2.0 Release seems to be fine but I need the >2940 device driver to use my 2.1G disk and my Exabyte tape :-) > >Thanks > >Carlos Ruggiero (toto@ifq.sc.usp.br) In /etc/sysconfig, set: # # Some broken implementations can't handle the RFC 1323 and RFC 1644 # TCP options. If TCP connections randomly hang, try disabling this, # and bug the vendor of the losing equipment. # tcp_extensions=NO -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 12:31:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA01591 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 12:31:57 -0700 Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA01585 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 12:31:56 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.6.10/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id MAA12413; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 12:31:52 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA14197; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:30:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:30:23 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Re: New installation floppys for 2.0.5A To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Install FTP Update: Thu Jun 1 20:38:56 PDT 1995 ( these floppies are even better) with the FTP I can see what file it's having a problem with. It's dieing on the bin.ch (I've reftp this file, many times, and it's the only one I'm having problems with) 33014 Jun 2 13:42 bin.ch Output Screen Debug: FtpGet(ftp, bin/bin.cg) etc etc etc etc Debug: FtpEOF(ftp) Debug: received <226 Transfer complete.> gunzip: stdin: unexpected end of file /stand/cpio: premature end of file From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 12:38:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA02229 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 12:38:00 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA02219 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 12:37:58 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA17888; Fri, 2 Jun 95 21:37:42 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id VAA14052; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:50:25 +0200 Message-Id: <199506021950.VAA14052@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: quantum (DEC) grand prix (any objections?) To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:50:24 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) In-Reply-To: <199506021819.LAA07785@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 2, 95 11:19:07 am From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1661 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > > > > > >I'm about to buy a Quantum Grand Prix (4GB) SCSI disk today. > > > >Keen as always I'm expecting there will be no trouble connecting > > > >it to a 1.1.5.1 (AH1542A) system, will there be? > > > >Any caveats wrt connecting it to ncr 53810 (Asus SP3G) under 2.0-current? > > > > > > > > > > It will not work on the NCR. I have no idea about the 1542, since I haven't > > > tried it, but a 1742 in Wcarchive had trouble with them. The drives work > > > fine on any of the aic7xxx based cards with 2.0.5A. > > > > > > > --nyone knowing the reasons why it does not work on the NCR? I mean > > the on board NCR of the ASUS SP3G PCI board. > > > > I will dare and buy this drive and I shall see. If all fails > > I'll connect it to my 1542CF. > > IT WILL FAIL ON THE NCR 53C810!!! I have already told you that!!! You are right, it fails :-) I just verified it. Anyway, I now own this drive and now I want to run it. For the time being I will run it from a second AH1542CF I have in that system. I'm presently building the kernel to support aha0 also (had a customized one). Is it a problem with the NCR chip (meaning that it will never be able to run that drive) or is it a problem with the FreeBSD code? > > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950531 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0531 #0: Wed May 31 06:16:35 MET DST 1995 root@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 13:16:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA07058 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:16:29 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA07039 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:16:24 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA08345; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:15:53 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506022015.NAA08345@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: quantum (DEC) grand prix (any objections?) To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:15:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.Org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506021950.VAA14052@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph Kukulies" at Jun 2, 95 09:50:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1817 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm about to buy a Quantum Grand Prix (4GB) SCSI disk today. > > > > >Keen as always I'm expecting there will be no trouble connecting > > > > >it to a 1.1.5.1 (AH1542A) system, will there be? > > > > >Any caveats wrt connecting it to ncr 53810 (Asus SP3G) under 2.0-current? > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will not work on the NCR. I have no idea about the 1542, since I haven't > > > > tried it, but a 1742 in Wcarchive had trouble with them. The drives work > > > > fine on any of the aic7xxx based cards with 2.0.5A. > > > > > > > > > > --nyone knowing the reasons why it does not work on the NCR? I mean > > > the on board NCR of the ASUS SP3G PCI board. > > > > > > I will dare and buy this drive and I shall see. If all fails > > > I'll connect it to my 1542CF. > > > > IT WILL FAIL ON THE NCR 53C810!!! I have already told you that!!! > > You are right, it fails :-) I just verified it. Anyway, I now own this drive > and now I want to run it. For the time being I will run it from > a second AH1542CF I have in that system. I'm presently building the > kernel to support aha0 also (had a customized one). > > Is it a problem with the NCR chip (meaning that it will never be able to run > that drive) or is it a problem with the FreeBSD code? I have not had a Grand Prix here to track that down. It may infact work just fine with the NCR ASPI drivers under DOS (all the other devices I have had NCR failures with of this kind do infact run under DOS with the ASPI drivers, so I suspect this one well too.) If that is the case it means we have a FreeBSD NCR sequencer bug that will have to be found and fixed. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 13:24:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA08535 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:24:53 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA08524 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:24:50 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA18172; Fri, 2 Jun 95 22:23:08 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id WAA14279 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:35:52 +0200 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:35:52 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199506022035.WAA14279@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: getting tar dirs from freefall Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Strange. A few hours ago I was able to pull tar archives from freefall, now it doesn't work any longer. But please don't reboot freefall righth now since I'm at 60 MB with 2.0.5-ALPHA/src.tar and there are still 30 MB to go. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950531 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0531 #0: Wed May 31 06:16:35 MET DST 1995 root@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 13:27:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA09066 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:27:56 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA09036 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:27:48 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA18178; Fri, 2 Jun 95 22:26:04 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id WAA14299 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:38:48 +0200 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:38:48 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199506022038.WAA14299@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: aha0 and ncr0 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Am I missing something? I have controller ncr0 controller scbus0 controller aha0 controller scbus1 devide sd0 device st0 in my CONFIG and aha0 is not being seen during autoconfigure. Is there anything special to it? I have the AH1542CF BIOS disabled. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950531 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0531 #0: Wed May 31 06:16:35 MET DST 1995 root@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 13:29:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA09404 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:29:25 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA09390 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:29:22 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA18185; Fri, 2 Jun 95 22:27:43 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id WAA14323 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:40:27 +0200 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:40:27 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199506022040.WAA14323@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: aha0 and ncr0 (aargh) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Please discard my previous posting. I goofed. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950531 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0531 #0: Wed May 31 06:16:35 MET DST 1995 root@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 13:32:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA10116 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:32:42 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA10103 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:32:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199506022032.NAA10103@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Christoph P. Kukulies" cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: aha0 and ncr0 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Jun 95 22:38:48 +0200." <199506022038.WAA14299@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 13:32:38 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >Am I missing something? I have > >controller ncr0 >controller scbus0 >controller aha0 This line should read: controller aha0 at isa? port "IO_AHA0" bio irq ? drq 5 vector ahaintr In general, look at the GENERIC or LINT sample config files for examples of how different device lines should be written. >--Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de -- Justin T. Gibbs From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 14:51:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA17567 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 14:51:59 -0700 Received: from star-gate.com (bettina.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA17558 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 14:51:56 -0700 Received: (from hasty@localhost) by star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA01396 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 14:40:18 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 14:40:18 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Message-Id: <199506022140.OAA01396@star-gate.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: To Sup or Not to Sup? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I tried supping this week and it didn't work. Here is my partial supfile: ports-cad release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/archive/p ub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/ports del ete old ports-comms release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/archive /pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/ports d elete old ports-databases release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/arc hive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/por ts delete old ---------- sup comes back that it can't access /archive/pub/FreeBSD. Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 15:31:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA21558 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:31:11 -0700 Received: from tserv.lodgenet.com (root@[204.157.148.70]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA21410 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:29:46 -0700 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (jake.lodgenet.com [204.124.120.30]) by tserv.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA07708 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:30:06 -0500 Received: (from erich@localhost) by jake.lodgenet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA00587; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:31:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:31:37 -0500 (CDT) From: "Eric L. Hernes" To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: 3c509 and modems? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I was just running through the DOS configuration utility to set up the 3c509 cards. I came across the little menu which had bootrom, io port and what not. The I stumbled across the `maximum modem speed' option. Now why in the world would the 3c509 care what my maximum modem speed is? eric. -- erich@lodgnet.com erich@rrnet.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 15:35:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA22171 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:35:41 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA22154 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:35:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199506022235.PAA22154@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA23592; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:35:36 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: PCI tag addresses start at 0xc000 ? why! To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:35:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 370 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From peering at the source, it looks like the PCI Mode 2 code requires the PCI addresses to be located at 0xc000, is that according to spec, or is that just common practice? (Which may explain why my Compaq isnt showing any cards!) -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 15:55:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA25426 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:55:51 -0700 Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.97.216]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA25415 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:55:48 -0700 Received: (from kargl@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA04141; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:50:26 -0700 From: Steven G Kargl Message-Id: <199506022250.PAA04141@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: 3c509 and modems? To: erich@lodgenet.com (Eric L. Hernes) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "Eric L. Hernes" at Jun 2, 95 05:31:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1013 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Eric L. Hernes: > > > I was just running through the DOS configuration utility to set up > the 3c509 cards. I came across the little menu which had bootrom, io port > and what not. The I stumbled across the `maximum modem speed' option. > Now why in the world would the 3c509 care what my maximum modem speed is? > Read your Adapter Guide, page 3-5. Maximum modem speed allows the 3c509 to disable interrupts for various lengths of time. If you have a fast modem (or serial device), then you do not want the interrupts disabled for long time periods. If on the other hand you have slow serial devices, the interrupts can be disabled for a longer time period, and thus improving the performance of the 3c509. There are some caveats, but you can read about these. -- Steven G. Kargl | Phone: 206-685-4677 | Applied Physics Lab | Fax: 206-543-6785 | Univ. of Washington |---------------------| 1013 NE 40th St | FreeBSD 2.1-current | Seattle, WA 98105 |---------------------| From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 16:03:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA26639 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:03:47 -0700 Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA26614 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:03:41 -0700 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by disperse.demon.co.uk id aa18371; 3 Jun 95 0:03 +0100 Received: from bagpuss.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa26772; 3 Jun 95 0:03 +0100 Received: (karl@localhost) by bagpuss.demon.co.uk (3.1/3.1) id WAA00575; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:20:21 +0100 From: Karl Strickland Message-Id: <199506022120.WAA00575@bagpuss.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Backing up on Exabyte 8MM Tape ?? To: John Herks Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:20:20 +0100 (BST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506020123.LAA05717@pyromania.apana.org.au> from "John Herks" at Jun 2, 95 11:23:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 652 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > What is the correct format for backing up and restoring (a directory > tree) on a Exabyte tape drive ??? > > Do I use tar or mt ? If you need to backup a full filesystem, use dump(8) and restore(8). If you just need to backup selected files, use tar or cpio. mt is used to control various tape operations, such as rewind, spacing between filemarks etc. -- ------------------------------------------+----------------------------------- Mailed using ELM on FreeBSD | Karl Strickland PGP 2.3a Public Key Available. | Internet: karl@bagpuss.demon.co.uk | From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 16:09:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA27419 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:09:53 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA27408 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:09:48 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id BAA04863 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 01:09:38 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id BAA04298 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 01:09:38 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199506022309.BAA04298@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Which mkisofs? To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 01:09:37 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506021733.KAA19439@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Charles Henrich" at Jun 2, 95 01:33:05 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD BUILT-19950501 ctm#617 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 661 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Hey folks, where might I find the FreeBSD version of mkisofs? > in gnu/usr.bin/mkisofs why ? :-) 208 [1:01] root@keltia:~# ls /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/mkisofs COPYING Makefile.in diag/ make.com rock.c CVS/ README exclude.c mkisofs.8 tree.c ChangeLog TODO exclude.h mkisofs.c vms.c Configure config.h hash.c mkisofs.h vms.h Makefile defaults.h iso9660.h obj@ write.c -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 16:10:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA27456 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:10:05 -0700 Received: from rrnet.com (rrnet.com [198.81.198.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA27442 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:10:02 -0700 Received: from localhost (erich@localhost) by rrnet.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id SAA16382; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:13:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:13:30 -0500 (CDT) From: "Eric L. Hernes" Subject: Re: 3c509 and modems? To: Steven G Kargl cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506022250.PAA04141@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Steven G Kargl wrote: > Read your Adapter Guide, page 3-5. Sorry, I don't have an adapter guide, we get 'em in bulk, and they're already installed in machines by the time I see them :( > Maximum modem speed allows the 3c509 to disable interrupts for various > lengths of time. If you have a fast modem (or serial device), then you > do not want the interrupts disabled for long time periods. If on the > other hand you have slow serial devices, the interrupts can be disabled > for a longer time period, and thus improving the performance of the > 3c509. does this happen at the hardware level? I thought that spl*() and splx() were for handling just such events. What should this be set to to disable this bug. (making the hardware compensate for the OS's shortcoming's is a bug in my opinion.) > -- > Steven G. Kargl | Phone: 206-685-4677 | > Applied Physics Lab | Fax: 206-543-6785 | > Univ. of Washington |---------------------| > Seattle, WA 98105 |---------------------| > eric. -- erich@rrnet.com erich@lodgenet.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 16:19:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA28301 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:19:46 -0700 Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.97.216]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA28287 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:19:41 -0700 Received: (from kargl@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA04237; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:14:35 -0700 From: Steven G Kargl Message-Id: <199506022314.QAA04237@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: 3c509 and modems? To: erich@rrnet.com (Eric L. Hernes) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "Eric L. Hernes" at Jun 2, 95 06:13:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1214 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Eric L. Hernes: > > > Maximum modem speed allows the 3c509 to disable interrupts for various > > lengths of time. If you have a fast modem (or serial device), then you > > do not want the interrupts disabled for long time periods. If on the > > other hand you have slow serial devices, the interrupts can be disabled > > for a longer time period, and thus improving the performance of the > > 3c509. > > does this happen at the hardware level? > I thought that spl*() and splx() were for handling just such events. > What should this be set to to disable this bug. > (making the hardware compensate for the OS's shortcoming's is a bug in > my opinion.) > Good question. Judging from the few comments in the Adapter Guide, I am incline to believe that the maximum modem speed is for optimization of the software drivers provided by 3com (and it is stored in eprom). I am not very familiar with the FreeBSD driver, so you're probably correct that spl*() handles this. -- Steven G. Kargl | Phone: 206-685-4677 | Applied Physics Lab | Fax: 206-543-6785 | Univ. of Washington |---------------------| 1013 NE 40th St | FreeBSD 2.1-current | Seattle, WA 98105 |---------------------| From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 16:25:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA28816 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:25:24 -0700 Received: from news.iadfw.net (news.iadfw.net [204.178.72.99]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA28793 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:25:08 -0700 Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by news.iadfw.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA17039; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:01:13 -0500 From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199506022201.RAA17039@news.iadfw.net> Subject: Re: Zip Drives To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:01:12 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, jbryant@argus.iadfw.net Reply-To: jbryant@argus.iadfw.net In-Reply-To: <199505242123.OAA09775@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at May 24, 95 02:23:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1992 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply: > > > drives with the $20 100M cartridges. I've been wondering how reliable they > > > are, if they could be used for fairly easy backup of a FreeBSD system, and > > > if anyone has had any problems interfacing them to FreeBSD (it's a SCSI > > > peripheral, so I would tend to think it would look like any other > > > removable drive). Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > I made a deal with Justin Gibbs: I lend him a zip drive, he works on > > the driver I use (2842A) and tried to get it working. I ordered one > > from MicroWarehouse, they said they'd ship in days, then weeks, now they're > > not sure. I guess this is waiting on MicroWarehouse, unless someone knows > > a SURE better supplier. Thank Justin for the offer, I guess. > > > > BTW, it's supposed to go direct to Justin, I won't see it until > > afterwards, but a Mac'ified friend of mine gave me a demo, and what a drive! > > Imagine a FAST 100 meg floppy! Access times quoted at 29 msec. > > I just called on these, they are avaliable to mass market (ie, OEM's) only > at this time. You are going to be waiting a while for it. > > > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD Are fujitsu-style 3.5" m-o drives compat with the aha0 driver? Last I remember, they were like 28ms, 128M, and in that price range... I think that Hard Drives International used to sell them [Insight?]... To hell with Bernouilli... Smaller carts and longer retention with m-o... Anyhow, they should be way cheaper by now [I think a few years ago it was $999US, and included 5 disks]... with the retention times involved, i personally think that high capacity, cheap, m-o storage can easily replace tape.. not to mention transfer rates and usable scratch-disk capability... it would also make an ideal bootable distribution media, kinda nice in cases where a cd would be impractical.. Jim From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 17:17:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA04309 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:17:08 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA04301 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:16:59 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA23607 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for freebsd.org!hackers); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:04:42 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA12790; 2 Jun 95 19:00:05 CDT (Fri) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA12776 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:00:04 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199506030000.TAA12776@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: UNIX crypt() source - the problem solved (fwd) To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:00:03 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 8074 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From comp.security... a possible solution to the secdist problem. I would say if this is kosher keep md for better security and this crypt for compatibility. From: bob@elementrix.co.il (Boris Kabischer) Newsgroups: comp.security.misc,comp.security.unix Subject: UNIX crypt() source - the problem solved Date: Thu, 01 Jun 95 21:03:03 GMT Organization: Elementrix Technologies Ltd. Lines: 269 Message-Id: <3ql9u7$leo_001@elementrix.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: koba.elementrix.co.il X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 Thanks, the problem has been solved. I was right, one-way crypt() is exportable, so I found one in: William Unruh suggested to take it from: psych.psy.uq.oz.au/pub/Crypto/DES/fcrypt.c Another crypt() source was written by dweezil@tortilla.jhrol.jypoly.fi (Mark Saarinen) and here it is: .......... .......... /* * UNIXCRPT.C * * UNIX Crypt() Implementation * Programmed by Mark Saarinen * */ #include /* * asc_bin_conv() macro translates a ascii character to * a 6-bit binary number. Used to translate salts. */ #define asc_bin_conv(x) x >= 'a' ? x - 59 : (x >= 'A' ? x - 53 : x - 46 ) /* output_conv[] table is used for the reverse translation */ const char output_conv[] = "./0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"; /* * These tables are a part of the original DES specification */ /* Key permutation PC1 */ const unsigned char PC1[56] = { 57, 49, 41, 33, 25, 17, 9, 1, 58, 50, 42, 34, 26, 18, 10, 2, 59, 51, 43, 35, 27, 19, 11, 3, 60, 52, 44, 36, 63, 55, 47, 39, 31, 23, 15, 7, 62, 54, 46, 38, 30, 22, 14, 6, 61, 53, 45, 37, 29, 21, 13, 5, 28, 20, 12, 4}; /* Key schedule of left shifts LS */ const unsigned char LS[16] = { 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 1}; /* Key permutation PC2 */ const unsigned char PC2[56] = { 14, 17, 11, 24, 1, 5, 3, 28, 15, 6, 21, 10, 23, 19, 12, 4, 26, 8, 16, 7, 27, 20, 13, 2, 41, 52, 31, 37, 47, 55, 30, 40, 51, 45, 33, 48, 44, 49, 39, 56, 34, 53, 46, 42, 50, 36, 29, 32}; /* Bit selection table E */ const unsigned char SE[48] = { 32, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 1}; /* Permutation P */ const unsigned char P[32] = { 16, 7, 20, 21, 29, 12, 28, 17, 1, 15, 23, 26, 5, 18, 31, 10, 2, 8, 24, 14, 32, 27, 3, 9, 19, 13, 30, 6, 22, 11, 4, 25}; /* Selection functions ('S-boxes') */ const unsigned char S[8][4][16] = { { { 14, 4, 13, 1, 2, 15, 11, 8, 3, 10, 6, 12, 5, 9, 0, 7 }, { 0, 15, 7, 4, 14, 2, 13, 1, 10, 6, 12, 11, 9, 5, 3, 8 }, { 4, 1, 14, 8, 13, 6, 2, 11, 15, 12, 9, 7, 3, 10, 5, 0 }, { 15, 12, 8, 2, 4, 9, 1, 7, 5, 11, 3, 14, 10, 0, 6, 13 } }, { { 15, 1, 8, 14, 6, 11, 3, 4, 9, 7, 2, 13, 12, 0, 5, 10 }, { 3, 13, 4, 7, 15, 2, 8, 14, 12, 0, 1, 10, 6, 9, 11, 5 }, { 0, 14, 7, 11, 10, 4, 13, 1, 5, 8, 12, 6, 9, 3, 2, 15 }, { 13, 8, 10, 1, 3, 15, 4, 2, 11, 6, 7, 12, 0, 5, 14, 9 } }, { { 10, 0, 9, 14, 6, 3, 15, 5, 1, 13, 12, 7, 11, 4, 2, 8 }, { 13, 7, 0, 9, 3, 4, 6, 10, 2, 8, 5, 14, 12, 11, 15, 1 }, { 13, 6, 4, 9, 8, 15, 3, 0, 11, 1, 2, 12, 5, 10, 14, 7 }, { 1, 10, 13, 0, 6, 9, 8, 7, 4, 15, 14, 3, 11, 5, 2, 12 } }, { { 7, 13, 14, 3, 0, 6, 9, 10, 1, 2, 8, 5, 11, 12, 4, 15 }, { 13, 8, 11, 5, 6, 15, 0, 3, 4, 7, 2, 12, 1, 10, 14, 9 }, { 10, 6, 9, 0, 12, 11, 7, 13, 15, 1, 3, 14, 5, 2, 8, 4 }, { 3, 15, 0, 6, 10, 1, 13, 8, 9, 4, 5, 11, 12, 7, 2, 14 } }, { { 2, 12, 4, 1, 7, 10, 11, 6, 8, 5, 3, 15, 13, 0, 14, 9 }, { 14, 11, 2, 12, 4, 7, 13, 1, 5, 0, 15, 10, 3, 9, 8, 6 }, { 4, 2, 1, 11, 10, 13, 7, 8, 15, 9, 12, 5, 6, 3, 0, 14 }, { 11, 8, 12, 7, 1, 14, 2, 13, 6, 15, 0, 9, 10, 4, 5, 3 } }, { { 12, 1, 10, 15, 9, 2, 6, 8, 0, 13, 3, 4, 14, 7, 5, 11 }, { 10, 15, 4, 2, 7, 12, 9, 5, 6, 1, 13, 14, 0, 11, 3, 8 }, { 9, 14, 15, 5, 2, 8, 12, 3, 7, 0, 4, 10, 1, 13, 11, 6 }, { 4, 3, 2, 12, 9, 5, 15, 10, 11, 14, 1, 7, 6, 0, 8, 13 } }, { { 4, 11, 2, 14, 15, 0, 8, 13, 3, 12, 9, 7, 5, 10, 6, 1 }, { 13, 0, 11, 7, 4, 9, 1, 10, 14, 3, 5, 12, 2, 15, 8, 6 }, { 1, 4, 11, 13, 12, 3, 7, 14, 10, 15, 6, 8, 0, 5, 9, 2 }, { 6, 11, 13, 8, 1, 4, 10, 7, 9, 5, 0, 15, 14, 2, 3, 12 } }, { { 13, 2, 8, 4, 6, 15, 11, 1, 10, 9, 3, 14, 5, 0, 12, 7 }, { 1, 15, 13, 8, 10, 3, 7, 4, 12, 5, 6, 11, 0, 14, 9, 2 }, { 7, 11, 4, 1, 9, 12, 14, 2, 0, 6, 10, 13, 15, 3, 5, 8 }, { 2, 1, 14, 7, 4, 10, 8, 13, 15, 12, 9, 0, 3, 5, 6, 11 } } }; /* Final permutation IP^-1 */ const unsigned char FP[64] = { 40, 8, 48, 16, 56, 24, 64, 32, 39, 7, 47, 15, 55, 23, 63, 31, 38, 6, 46, 14, 54, 22, 62, 30, 37, 5, 45, 13, 53, 21, 61, 29, 36, 4, 44, 12, 52, 20, 60, 28, 35, 3, 43, 11, 51, 19, 59, 27, 34, 2, 42, 10, 50, 18, 58, 26, 33, 1, 41, 9, 49, 17, 57, 25}; /* 64-bit bitvector type */ typedef unsigned char vec64[64]; /* return buffer */ static char crypt_return[16]; /* interfaced as the UNIX crypt() */ char *crypt (char *pw, char *salt) { int i,j,s,t,cs,l,sb,p1,p2; char *ret; vec64 B,K,T,T2; unsigned char KP[16][48]; unsigned char E[48]; /* Convert pw into a bitvector */ memset (K, 0, 64); for( i = 0; (i < 64) && (*pw != '\0'); pw++ ) { K[i++] = (*pw >> 6) & 1; K[i++] = (*pw >> 5) & 1; K[i++] = (*pw >> 4) & 1; K[i++] = (*pw >> 3) & 1; K[i++] = (*pw >> 2) & 1; K[i++] = (*pw >> 1) & 1; K[i++] = *pw & 1; i++; } /* * combine PC1, LS and PC2 - tables into one for key generation * KP[i][j] is used to generate the iteration key K_i */ cs = 0; for (i = 0; i < 16; i++) { cs += LS[i]; for (j = 0; j < 48; j++) { l = PC2[j] - 1; l = (l < 28) ? (l+cs) % 28 : (l+cs) % 28 + 28; KP[i][j] = PC1[l]-1; } } /* copy salt to the beginning of the return buffer */ ret = crypt_return; *ret++ = salt[0]; *ret++ = salt[1]; /* * permutate the E table according to the saltvalue * this is the only actual change in the DES algorithm! */ s = ((asc_bin_conv(salt[1])) << 6) | (asc_bin_conv(salt[0])); memcpy(E, SE, 48); for( i = 0; i < 12; i++) if( (s >> i) & 1 != 0) { t = E[i]; E[i] = E[i+24]; E[i+24] = t; } memset (T, 0, 64); /* all zero : no need for IP */ for (cs = 0; cs < 25; cs++) /* DES is called 25 times */ for (i = 0; i < 16; i++) /* 16 DES iterations */ { /* do PC1-LS-PC2 key-shuffle and xor with the E-expanded left side */ for (j = 0; j < 48; j++) B[j] = T[E[j]+31] ^ K[KP[i][j]]; /* do sbox - substitution*/ p1 = 0; p2 = 3; for (j = 0; j < 8; j++) { sb = S[j][(B[p1] << 1) | B[p1+5]] [(B[1+p1] << 3) | (B[2+p1] << 2) | (B[3+p1] << 1) | B[4+p1]]; for (l = 0; l < 4; l++) T2[p2-l] = (sb >> l) & 1; p1 += 6; p2 += 4; } /* permutation P and xor with the right side */ for (j = 0; j < 32; j++) T[j] ^= T2[P[j]-1]; /* swap the halves (not in the last iteration!) */ if (i != 15) for (j = 0; j < 32; j++) { l = T[j]; T[j] = T[j+32]; T[j+32] = l; } } /* final permutation IP^-1 */ memcpy(T2, T, 64); for(i = 0; i < 64; i++) T[i] = T2[FP[i]-1]; /* Output conversion */ for (i = 0; i < 60; i += 6 ) *ret++ = output_conv[ T[i] << 5 | T[i+1] << 4 | T[i+2] << 3 | T[i+3] << 2 | T[i+4] << 1 | T[i+5] ]; /* the last character has only 4 bits */ *ret++ = output_conv[T[60] << 5 | T[61] << 4 | T[62] << 3 | T[63] << 2]; /* return */ *ret++ = '\0'; return crypt_return; } Regards, Bob. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 17:27:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA05292 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:27:43 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA05286 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:27:43 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id RAA10434; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:27:29 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506030027.RAA10434@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: UNIX crypt() source - the problem solved (fwd) To: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506030000.TAA12776@bonkers.taronga.com> from "Peter da Silva" at Jun 2, 95 07:00:03 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 395 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > >From comp.security... a possible solution to the secdist problem. I would say > if this is kosher keep md for better security and this crypt for compatibility. I presume you know that freebsd 2.0 did this ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 17:33:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA05829 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:33:31 -0700 Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (peter@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA05820 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:33:27 -0700 Received: (from peter@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12/DIALix) id IAA22954; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 08:33:15 +0800 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 08:33:15 +0800 (WST) From: Peter Wemm To: Terry Lambert cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Size of SIOCGIFCONF ioctl data structure In-Reply-To: <9506021825.AA29035@cs.weber.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Terry Lambert wrote: > [ ... how to count interfaces ... ] > > > Opinions? > > In preference order: > > 1) Do it via sysctl anyway. Just as a BTW: Is this method fairly consistant across the 4.4BSD type machines? Or are there variations on the way it has been implemented? > 2) Do it the Sun way. Yep. IMHO, third-party code is far more likely going to get "#ifdef SIOCGIFNUM" than a sysctl() rewrite, especially since Sun, HP, AIX, etc dont have sysctl(). I think named would be a good candidate to be in group 1), because Paul Vixie uses BSD/OS, so he'd be able to test it. -Peter From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 18:00:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA08656 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:00:52 -0700 Received: from physics.su.oz.au (dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA08645 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:00:50 -0700 Received: by physics.su.oz.au id AA09265 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:58:42 +1000 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199506030058.AA09265@physics.su.oz.au> Subject: Re: Can't boot a new 2.0.5A system To: fcawth@squid.umd.edu (Fred Cawthorne) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:58:41 +1000 (EST) Cc: julian@ref.tfs.com, terry@cs.weber.edu, taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9506021700.AA22388@squid.umd.edu> from "Fred Cawthorne" at Jun 2, 95 01:00:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 927 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >The new install got the wrong geometry even when I had FreeBSD 2.0 on >the entire disk... Perhaps there was a problem with the stuff that >an old fdisk created??? I don't remember if I ever installed with an NCR >controller before. (I used to have an Adaptec 1542CF on here...) >So, maybe my NCR scsi bios is messing things up??? >Are you guys sure that the user setting of the geometry thing (i.e. G in >the fdisk screen) is working properly?? I've seen some odd things with the NCR bios (or FreeBSD's interpretation of it) when adding a second disk to a 9504 snap installation (the first disk was IDE). It claimed my disk was about twice its actual size (I wish :-). It seemed to be using 64 and 32 for heads/sectors, but using the cylinder value that the disk reported (2700 for an ST31200). I don't know if having used the disk with a 1542 previously (on SVR4), and using its translation is affecting this. David From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 18:01:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA08777 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:01:17 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA08771 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:01:16 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA28926; Fri, 2 Jun 95 18:54:27 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506030054.AA28926@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Size of SIOCGIFCONF ioctl data structure To: peter@haywire.DIALix.COM (Peter Wemm) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 95 18:54:26 MDT Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Peter Wemm" at Jun 3, 95 08:33:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > 1) Do it via sysctl anyway. > > Just as a BTW: Is this method fairly consistant across the 4.4BSD type > machines? Or are there variations on the way it has been implemented? Uh, it's more advanced in FreeBSD than elsewhere, from what I've seen recently. I know, that's bad for portability. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 18:10:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA09571 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:10:13 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA09560 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:10:06 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA24146; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 11:09:27 +1000 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 11:09:27 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506030109.LAA24146@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: peter@haywire.DIALix.COM, terry@cs.weber.edu Subject: Re: Size of SIOCGIFCONF ioctl data structure Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> 1) Do it via sysctl anyway. >Just as a BTW: Is this method fairly consistant across the 4.4BSD type >machines? Or are there variations on the way it has been implemented? Nonstandard sysctls are as unportable as nonstandard ioctls. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 18:26:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA10334 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:26:26 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA10328 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:26:24 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:26:02 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Ollivier Robert , FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Upgrading to 2.05A In-Reply-To: <14949.802052029@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Vince said he was under -current, not 2.0R ! If you're -current, upgrading > > to 2.0.5A is a matter of recompilation or did I miss something ? > > No, you didn't. I'm reading too fast again! :-( > So does this mean that I need to do a full reinstall? Also, since i don't have a backup, I guess I'll make a tarball but does anyone know how to put the tar file on floppies and how to format floppies under FreeBSD? > Foo. If I keep this up, somebody's going to take my gun > away! :-) Hehe, never knew anyone could even get near Jordan in the first place :-) Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 18:37:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA10831 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:37:17 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA10798 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:35:55 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:33:54 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: Julian Elischer cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , chuckr@Glue.umd.edu, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, roberto@blaise.ibp.fr, FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Upgrading to 2.05A In-Reply-To: <199506020154.SAA01398@ref.tfs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Julian Elischer wrote: > personally, I prefer to upgrade, live with it.. > and newfs my partitions one by one once I've got the system up > and stabel with a good backup.. :) That's my problem is the backup since I don't have anything I can use for a backups except floppies... Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 18:45:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA11137 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:45:45 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA11129 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:45:42 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA08871; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:45:24 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506030145.SAA08871@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: To Sup or Not to Sup? To: hasty@star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506022140.OAA01396@star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Jun 2, 95 02:40:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 862 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Hi, > I tried supping this week and it didn't work. > Here is my partial supfile: > > ports-cad release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/archive/p > ub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/ports del > ete old > ports-comms release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/archive > /pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/ports d > elete old > ports-databases release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/arc > hive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current prefix=/archive/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/por > ts delete old > You are using a sup file for wcarchive but a host of freefall :-(. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 18:50:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA12155 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:50:00 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA12136 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:49:57 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA08899; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:49:40 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506030149.SAA08899@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: A performance mystery To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506021826.LAA23909@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Charles Henrich" at Jun 2, 95 02:26:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 845 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > Okay, try a memory bandwidth benchmark to see if we have something there > > that is grossly different. A quick and easy bcopy test is to run iozone > > that does not remove the temp file on a 1/4 memory size file repeatedly, > > that should hit the buffer cache totatally and give us ~ bcopy rates. > > The ram-speed test posted here a couple of weeks ago gives: > > Micon: 10mb/20mb > Compaq: 10mb/7mb This may be repeated, but I don't see my statements on this back from the list. ram-speed is a cache defeat program, it will *NOT* approximate bcopy rates, that is why I asked you to do iozone on 1/4 memory size. I already saw your ram-speed results in the first posting. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 18:53:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA12555 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:53:09 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA12549 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:53:06 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA08914; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:52:48 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506030152.SAA08914@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Can't boot a new 2.0.5A system To: fcawth@squid.umd.edu (Fred Cawthorne) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.Org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <9506021700.AA22388@squid.umd.edu> from "Fred Cawthorne" at Jun 2, 95 01:00:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1654 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk > > > > > > > > > > > Geometry correct? > > > > > > > > Hmmmm... I thought one of the reasons why I bought a SCSI drive > > > > was to avoid worrying about stuff like geometry and cylinder > > > > translations and what not. At least I never had to worry about it on > > > > any other computer with a SCSI disk until now. The older installers > > > > guessed it correctly, so I didn't touch the settings on this one. > > > > > > > > When in doubt freebsd looks to see what DOS did, so it you have a DOS > > partition, it'll use those geometry figures.. > > > > by definition then at least the BIOS and FreeBSD will match.. > > > The new install got the wrong geometry even when I had FreeBSD 2.0 on > the entire disk... Perhaps there was a problem with the stuff that > an old fdisk created??? I don't remember if I ever installed with an NCR > controller before. (I used to have an Adaptec 1542CF on here...) > So, maybe my NCR scsi bios is messing things up??? > Are you guys sure that the user setting of the geometry thing (i.e. G in > the fdisk screen) is working properly?? BIG CAUTION. The NCR controller does not always use the 32 sector 64 head translation that the adaptec does. I have found that the NCR is using 34 head 62 sector geometries on the 1 G drives I am using and not sure on the 535MB since I have not installed DOS on one of them to see. Be very carefull when trying to move from one controller to another, translation schemes vary between manufactures! -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 18:57:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA12785 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:57:29 -0700 Received: from w8hd.w8hd.org (w8hd.w8hd.org [198.252.159.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA12779 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:57:27 -0700 Received: (from kimc@localhost) by w8hd.w8hd.org (8.6.11/w8hd) id VAA20697; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:57:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:57:18 -0400 (EDT) From: kim culhan To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: Amancio Hasty , freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: To Sup or Not to Sup? In-Reply-To: <199506030145.SAA08871@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > You are using a sup file for wcarchive but a host of freefall :-(. Where can the right supfile be obtained? kim -- kimc@w8hd.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 19:14:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA13187 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:14:04 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA13175 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:13:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199506030213.TAA13175@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA24509; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:13:48 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: Re: PCI Probe's To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505310618.XAA29899@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at May 30, 95 11:18:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 684 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Fuck fuck fuck fuck. Okay guys, the PCI Mode configuration hack (er check) doesnt work for beans. (sys/i386/isa/pcibus.c) On a Compaq if you force mode 1 (by re-arranging the source code, see NetBSD sources for details that seemed to be stripped out of the FreeBSD source before entering the tree) the PCI bus (and adaptec 2940 in it) works just fine. Does anyone know how to really check for which mode the PCI bus is in? If not, we should at least do what the original NetBSD sources did and allow a kernel options line to specify the mode. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 19:29:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA13929 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:29:49 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA13923 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:29:45 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA09034; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:29:17 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506030229.TAA09034@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: To Sup or Not to Sup? To: kimc@w8hd.w8hd.org (kim culhan) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hasty@star-gate.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "kim culhan" at Jun 2, 95 09:57:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 354 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > You are using a sup file for wcarchive but a host of freefall :-(. > > Where can the right supfile be obtained? /usr/src/share/FAQ/extra/* -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 19:42:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA14741 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:42:13 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temp@temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA14731 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:42:04 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA16827; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:40:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:40:40 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Re: Can't boot a new 2.0.5A system To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: Fred Cawthorne , FreeBSD hackers In-Reply-To: <199506030152.SAA08914@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geometry correct? > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm... I thought one of the reasons why I bought a SCSI drive > > > > > was to avoid worrying about stuff like geometry and cylinder > > > > > translations and what not. At least I never had to worry about it on > > > > > any other computer with a SCSI disk until now. The older installers > > > > > guessed it correctly, so I didn't touch the settings on this one. > > > > > > > > > > > When in doubt freebsd looks to see what DOS did, so it you have a DOS > > > partition, it'll use those geometry figures.. > > > > > > by definition then at least the BIOS and FreeBSD will match.. > > > > > The new install got the wrong geometry even when I had FreeBSD 2.0 on > > the entire disk... Perhaps there was a problem with the stuff that > > an old fdisk created??? I don't remember if I ever installed with an NCR > > controller before. (I used to have an Adaptec 1542CF on here...) > > So, maybe my NCR scsi bios is messing things up??? > > Are you guys sure that the user setting of the geometry thing (i.e. G in > > the fdisk screen) is working properly?? > > BIG CAUTION. The NCR controller does not always use the 32 sector 64 head > translation that the adaptec does. I have found that the NCR is using > 34 head 62 sector geometries on the 1 G drives I am using and not sure on > the 535MB since I have not installed DOS on one of them to see. > > Be very carefull when trying to move from one controller to another, > translation schemes vary between manufactures! it's not just Manufactures, I can't move a hard drive from 1542CF -> 1742 -> 2742t/2940/2842 (adaptec) 1gig to 4gig, Maxtor/Seagate/Quatum/Fuj/Toshiba and thats with all the cards being set up the same. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 19:53:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA15266 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:53:47 -0700 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA15258 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:53:44 -0700 From: PowerTrip@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA271827992; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:53:12 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:53:12 -0400 Message-Id: <950602225311_20650758@aol.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD 2.0 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Just want to slip a comment in. I bought FreeBSD 2.0 CD-ROM on 5/26, installed it over the weekend, worked perfect the very first time! (except, since I know no programming, i'm still reading the o'reilly 4.4BSD books on how to rcompile a kernel. my ne2000 is set for Port:340 Int: 2/9, and i'm trying to figure out how to change it. I thought I did, but, the kernel I made gave a protection trap!) anyway, to the point of the message: To all involved in the FreeBSD project: Kudos. Nice job. Last time i touched *bsd was NetBSD in 1993, and this is a whole heck of alot nicer. Pats on the back to all involved, you've done an outstanding job! TonyM TonyM@citrix.com PowerTrip@aol.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 20:01:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA15726 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:01:20 -0700 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA15717 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:01:12 -0700 From: PowerTrip@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA213038273; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:57:53 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:57:53 -0400 Message-Id: <950602225752_20654669@aol.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PCI Probe's Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk We had a problem getting our product (Citrix WinView for Networks) to recognize > 16MB RAM on the Compaq PCI machines.BTW, our software is based on the OS/2 2.0 kernel, modified for multiuser operation. If you want, I can get you the specs needed to see the PCI stuff on the compaq. Since I'm not a developer, I would just pass it on, without truly understanding it! Let me know if you need the info. BTW, the machine in question was a Compaq proLinea 575 PCI From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 20:20:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA16549 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:20:36 -0700 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA16540 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:20:34 -0700 From: PowerTrip@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA029449597; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:19:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:19:57 -0400 Message-Id: <950602231938_20666287@aol.com> To: babkin@hq.icb.chel.su Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, tonym@citrix.com Subject: Re: Digiboard Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk What card was it? Maybe I can get you one to use for writing the drivers. Was it a card specific driver? or you were a writing a driver for all digi's? at any rate, I have a Digi PC/4i (or 8i..never remember!) that I could test if you want. Let me know either way! Tony TonyM@citrix.com PowerTrip@aol.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 20:35:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA17195 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:35:12 -0700 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA17189 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:35:08 -0700 From: PowerTrip@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA061040471; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:34:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:34:31 -0400 Message-Id: <950602233430_20674494@aol.com> To: julian@tfs.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, tonym@citrix.com Subject: Re: I call it the "NT sniper bug". (fwd) Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Is it running NT Workstation, or NT Server software? Either way, make sure WINS is set correctly, and DHCP (if used) is correct (under , , select the items, and check them out. (may be as "TCP/IP", or "SIMPLE TCP/IP:, or as WINS and DHCP. can't remember off hand. I can check at work monday. we have 5 NT Server 3.5 servers, with IP being used, and 4 Tektronix X-Terminals, and all seems ok so far. Tony TonyM@citrix.com PowerTrip@aol.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 20:36:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA17364 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:36:22 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA17343 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:36:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199506030336.UAA17343@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA24820; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:36:09 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: Re: A performance mystery To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506030149.SAA08899@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 2, 95 06:49:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2919 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > ram-speed is a cache defeat program, it will *NOT* approximate bcopy rates, > that is why I asked you to do iozone on 1/4 memory size. I already saw > your ram-speed results in the first posting. Here goes with iozone auto, no delete (Micron has 64mb ram, Compaq 24mb) Micron: MB reclen bytes/sec written bytes/sec read 1 512 2739137 9586980 1 1024 3627506 5162220 1 2048 4329604 4793490 1 4096 6710886 3834792 1 8192 8947848 3355443 2 512 3355443 9256395 2 1024 4880644 5064819 2 2048 6242685 4067203 2 4096 6882960 3890368 2 8192 4793490 5162220 4 512 2870967 10324440 4 1024 3273603 10129639 4 2048 3314017 10129639 4 4096 3334601 9942053 4 8192 3355443 9942053 8 512 2848121 10129639 8 1024 2840586 12936648 8 2048 4772185 5368709 8 4096 2878664 17602324 8 8192 2774526 18199013 16 512 2677660 9023040 16 1024 2742635 11243369 16 2048 2701237 13256071 16 4096 2641431 13944699 16 8192 2687714 14221746 Compaq: MB reclen bytes/sec written bytes/sec read 1 512 3195660 5162220 1 1024 4628197 3728270 1 2048 6710886 3728270 1 4096 7456540 3532045 1 8192 9586980 3355443 2 512 4129776 5835553 2 1024 5965232 4194304 2 2048 7669584 3627506 2 4096 9256395 3441480 2 8192 11184810 3234162 4 512 4329604 5965232 4 1024 6391320 4161790 4 2048 8388608 3603160 4 4096 9761289 3397917 4 8192 12782640 3158064 8 512 4312216 6066337 8 1024 6507526 4145721 8 2048 8729608 3543702 8 4096 7561562 3474892 8 8192 13256071 3139595 16 512 4391582 2547430 16 1024 2664371 3754342 16 2048 2966137 3278600 16 4096 3144192 3098822 16 8192 3360694 2890287 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 21:04:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA19189 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:04:25 -0700 Received: from saul3.u.washington.edu (spaz@saul3.u.washington.edu [140.142.83.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA19182 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:04:23 -0700 Received: by saul3.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA31533; Fri, 2 Jun 95 21:04:21 -0700 X-Sender: spaz@saul3.u.washington.edu Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:04:20 -0700 (PDT) From: John Utz To: FreeBSD hackerlist Subject: want to port Jazz-1.0 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi folks; After my finals are finished next thursday, i plan on getting to work on porting Jazz-1.0 to 2.0.5. I remember jkh mentioning that it would be nice to get this ported, but i never heard of any volunteers...did anybody volunteer? Jazz is a simple midi composition tool that uses Xview via the wxwin toolkit. It also has a driver that makes use of the intelligent mode of the "true mpu-401" cards, as opposed to the uart mode supported by most sound cards. I actually had come very close to compiling the user interface but i got some c++ errors that meant nothing to me, since i had not taken a c++ class yet ( one of those finals next week :-) ). So, i expect that the user interface will be relatively straightforward. But it is not the tricky part :-( Since i was avoiding studying for my finals, i grabbed the dist and brought it home just now, and reaquainted myself with the source code. I finally realized that the manner in which the author had gained all this marvelous added functionality was by writing ... ... . a shrubbery! neet neet! JUST KIDDING! ack um.. a driver! ohhhh no! He claims that voxware 2.0 lacks all the groovy stuff his code needed, and i imagine 3.0 probably had other fish to fry, and probably doesn't do much better. It took a long time for me to get up the nerve to make my own kernel, but once i did, i was pretty happy about it, and think nothing of doing it, other then the fact that it takes a while! So, while i certainly think that writing drivers is vastly more difficult then configging a kernel, one needs to start somewhere, and something u are interested in is as good a place to start as any. So my plan is to just take his code and munge the includes to get it to look like something that belongs in a freebsd kernel. Somehow, that innocuous looking statement seems to abstract a sh*tload of work :-). So, is there a driver i should look at as a place to start? did anybody solve this already? ******************************************************************************* John Utz spaz@stein.u.washington.edu idiocy is the impulse function in the convolution of life From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 21:31:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA21189 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:31:03 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA21173 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:30:55 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA32558; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:25:37 +1000 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:25:37 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506030425.OAA32558@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, james@miller.cs.uwm.edu Subject: Re: Interval timer/System clock Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >Would it be resonable to propose a faster system clock than 10ms? The >DEC hardware seems to run somewhere around 5ms which would give you an >accurate user level clock at 10ms. I used 200Hz for a long time with no problems (I don't run timed or xntpd). I've used 10000Hz for testing. I think there is little need for faster than 100Hz except for quasi-real-time stuff. Terry's one-shot timers might work better for that. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 21:33:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA21410 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:33:21 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA21402 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:33:19 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA09259; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:32:35 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506030432.VAA09259@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Can't boot a new 2.0.5A system To: temp@temptation.interlog.com (Temptation) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Cc: fcawth@squid.umd.edu, FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.Org In-Reply-To: from "Temptation" at Jun 2, 95 10:40:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1006 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk ... > > BIG CAUTION. The NCR controller does not always use the 32 sector 64 head > > translation that the adaptec does. I have found that the NCR is using > > 34 head 62 sector geometries on the 1 G drives I am using and not sure on > > the 535MB since I have not installed DOS on one of them to see. > > > > Be very carefull when trying to move from one controller to another, > > translation schemes vary between manufactures! > > it's not just Manufactures, I can't move a hard drive from 1542CF -> 1742 > -> 2742t/2940/2842 (adaptec) 1gig to 4gig, Maxtor/Seagate/Quatum/Fuj/Toshiba > and thats with all the cards being set up the same. You could have saved your self the grief if you would have left the >1G drive support translation turned off as recommended in the Adaptec documentation for using *all* of there controllers with Unix. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 21:47:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA23717 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:47:02 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temp@temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA23710 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:46:58 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA16991; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 00:43:56 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 00:43:55 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Re: Can't boot a new 2.0.5A system To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: fcawth@squid.umd.edu, FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.Org In-Reply-To: <199506030432.VAA09259@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > ... > > > BIG CAUTION. The NCR controller does not always use the 32 sector 64 head > > > translation that the adaptec does. I have found that the NCR is using > > > 34 head 62 sector geometries on the 1 G drives I am using and not sure on > > > the 535MB since I have not installed DOS on one of them to see. > > > > > > Be very carefull when trying to move from one controller to another, > > > translation schemes vary between manufactures! > > > > it's not just Manufactures, I can't move a hard drive from 1542CF -> 1742 > > -> 2742t/2940/2842 (adaptec) 1gig to 4gig, Maxtor/Seagate/Quatum/Fuj/Toshiba > > and thats with all the cards being set up the same. > > You could have saved your self the grief if you would have left the > >1G drive support translation turned off as recommended in the Adaptec > documentation for using *all* of there controllers with Unix. that had no affect on it. on or off. Adaptec sent me new bios's and microcode for 1740 ( I have 10 of them by the way, so it wasn't just one card problem) same problem, tho the new bios did fix some other problems, It did not fix the problem of moving a drive to another scsi controller, without the data being corrupted. Moving from 27/28/29 is fine tho. > > > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD > From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 21:49:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA24513 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:49:35 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA24499 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:49:32 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA09321; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:49:15 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506030449.VAA09321@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: A performance mystery To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506030336.UAA09183@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Charles Henrich" at Jun 2, 95 11:36:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1127 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > ram-speed is a cache defeat program, it will *NOT* approximate bcopy rates, > > that is why I asked you to do iozone on 1/4 memory size. I already saw > > your ram-speed results in the first posting. > > Here goes with iozone auto, no delete (Micron has 64mb ram, Compaq 24mb) We are not going to get the results I was looking for unless you are going to follow directions a *little* closer. ``repeat 10 iozone 16 8192'' > 16 8192 2687714 14221746 You said this was a Pentium right?? If it is that number is low for a triton board: (ASUS PCI/I-P54TP4, 90Mhz CPU, 64MB memory) Writing the 16 Megabyte file, 'iozone.tmp'...8.757812 seconds Reading the file...0.921875 seconds IOZONE performance measurements: 1915685 bytes/second for writing the file 18199013 bytes/second for reading the file > 16 8192 3360694 2890287 Ding... very low memory bandwidth :-(. Makes for a very slow compile :-( -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 21:59:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA27188 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:59:27 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA27174 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:59:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199506030459.VAA27174@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA25250; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 00:59:14 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: Re: A performance mystery To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 00:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506030449.VAA09321@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 2, 95 09:49:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1021 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > We are not going to get the results I was looking for unless you > are going to follow directions a *little* closer. > > ``repeat 10 iozone 16 8192'' Rod, you dont have to be so condescending (note, no expletives), I dont *have* your original message. > > You said this was a Pentium right?? If it is that number is low for > a triton board: (ASUS PCI/I-P54TP4, 90Mhz CPU, 64MB memory) Its not a Triton. > IOZONE performance measurements: > 1915685 bytes/second for writing the file > 18199013 bytes/second for reading the file > > > 16 8192 3360694 2890287 > > Ding... very low memory bandwidth :-(. Makes for a very slow > compile :-( Here is the results of the iozone, as ram-speed showed as well, the memory bandwidth is very good: 2684354 bytes/second for writing the file 14412641 bytes/second for reading the file -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 22:06:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA27856 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:06:48 -0700 Received: from mail.id.net (kilroy.id.net [152.160.9.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA27848 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:06:42 -0700 Received: from hades.id.net (hades.id.net [152.160.9.12]) by mail.id.net (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA24922; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 01:06:36 -0400 From: Robert Shady Received: (rls@localhost) by hades.id.net (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA02922; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:08:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199506031308.JAA02922@hades.id.net> Subject: Re: A performance mystery To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506030459.VAA27174@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Charles Henrich" at Jun 3, 95 00:59:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 611 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > IOZONE performance measurements: > > 1915685 bytes/second for writing the file > > 18199013 bytes/second for reading the file > > > > > 16 8192 3360694 2890287 > > > > Ding... very low memory bandwidth :-(. Makes for a very slow > > compile :-( > > Here is the results of the iozone, as ram-speed showed as well, the memory > bandwidth is very good: > > 2684354 bytes/second for writing the file > 14412641 bytes/second for reading the file I missed the original message, but I'm guessing this is to an MFS mounted files system? Or what.. -- Rob From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 22:11:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA28167 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:11:13 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA28151 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:11:05 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA09409; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:10:47 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506030510.WAA09409@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: A performance mystery To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506030459.VAA27174@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Charles Henrich" at Jun 3, 95 00:59:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2145 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > We are not going to get the results I was looking for unless you > > are going to follow directions a *little* closer. > > > > ``repeat 10 iozone 16 8192'' > > Rod, you dont have to be so condescending (note, no expletives), I > dont *have* your original message. :-(. > > > You said this was a Pentium right?? If it is that number is low for > > a triton board: (ASUS PCI/I-P54TP4, 90Mhz CPU, 64MB memory) > > Its not a Triton. It was neptune right? Okay, then 18199013 / 1.30 == 13999240, about what I have seen for Neptune vs Triton chip set. > > IOZONE performance measurements: > > 1915685 bytes/second for writing the file > > 18199013 bytes/second for reading the file > > > > > 16 8192 3360694 2890287 ^^^^^^^ How come *this* number and the number below are different by a factor of 7??? It should have been the same. ``iozone 16 8192'' and the above line from ``iozone auto'' do exactly the same things yet we are seeing this *huge* descrepancy. > > Ding... very low memory bandwidth :-(. Makes for a very slow > > compile :-( > > Here is the results of the iozone, as ram-speed showed as well, the memory > bandwidth is very good: > > 2684354 bytes/second for writing the file > 14412641 bytes/second for reading the file But why is this so much different than what you gave me in the last message with iozone auto. The results should have been almost IDENTICAL. Infact that whole run of iozone auto showed the read numbers to *all* be very low for a Pentium class machine on the Compaq. Something is wrong here :-(. This is the results I get from the end of iozone auto, and from iozone 16 8192 on the same 64MB ASUS triton board: 16 8192 1927723 18199013 18199013 bytes/second for reading the file Notice the fact these numbers are *IDENTICAL*, but yours are not, again something does not add up :-( -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 22:17:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA28562 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:17:01 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA28552 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:16:54 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA08577; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:19:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA00138; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199506030517.WAA00138@corbin.Root.COM> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich), freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A performance mystery In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Jun 95 22:10:47 PDT." <199506030510.WAA09409@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 22:17:02 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> > > 16 8192 3360694 2890287 > ^^^^^^^ > >How come *this* number and the number below are different by a factor >of 7??? It should have been the same. ``iozone 16 8192'' and the >above line from ``iozone auto'' do exactly the same things yet we >are seeing this *huge* descrepancy. Because there isn't enough 'free' memory at the time that he ran the test to cache the entire file. Since it's read sequentially and the cache policy for something like this is more or less LRU, it get pushed out of the cache before it is read back. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 22:36:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA29896 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:36:38 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA29882 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:36:31 -0700 Message-Id: <199506030536.WAA29882@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA25376; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 01:36:15 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: Re: A performance mystery To: rls@kilroy.id.net (Robert Shady) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 01:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506031308.JAA02922@hades.id.net> from "Robert Shady" at Jun 3, 95 09:08:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1571 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I missed the original message, but I'm guessing this is to an MFS mounted > files system? Or what.. Here's the situation, I have a Compaq Prolinea 575 (75mhz Pentium) w/ 24mb ram, and a 3gig Seagate ST3400N (number may be a tad off) drive. I also have a Micron P90 Powerstation w/ 64mb ram, and a brand new connor drive. The Compaq will compile a kernel in 8:30 that takes the Micron 9:30. My question was, did anyone have any idea why this is? I just re-ran all the tests and here is the results (slightly different kernel config) Compaq Proliant 575 Micron P90 Powerstation time make 8:55 9:39 ram-speed 10.85 Mb/S, 7.08 Mb/S 10.61 Mb/S, 20.66 Mb/S iozone 200 2486434/4150208 2446772/4203499 iozone 16 8192 3360694/2677660 2711469/13256071 The make time is wall time, ram-speed tests the raw memory bandwidth, defeating cache almost 100%. iozone 200 tests raw read/write performance to disk, as it far exceeds ram size, memory cache effect is insignificant. iozone 16 8192 tests the memory speed with cache involved, because the test size is so small, (as Rod pointed out) its essentially just a bunch of bcopy's. As you can see by the ram-speed and iozone tests (and the fact that its a Pentium-75!) the Compaq should be sorely beaten in build time over the Micron, but yet its not. Hence the mystery. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 22:40:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA00340 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:40:53 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA00329 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:40:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199506030540.WAA00329@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA25398; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 01:40:40 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: Re: A performance mystery To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 01:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506030510.WAA09409@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 2, 95 10:10:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 480 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Notice the fact these numbers are *IDENTICAL*, but yours are not, > again something does not add up :-( I am as baffled as you are, I just do not understand how the Compaq with such miserable memory performance (how exactly do you build a computer so that reads are *slower* than writes?) and much slower CPU can do so well in the overall. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 22:41:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA00425 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:41:09 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA00369 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:41:01 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA09481; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:40:33 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506030540.WAA09481@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: A performance mystery To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506030517.WAA00138@corbin.Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Jun 2, 95 10:17:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1627 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > >> > > 16 8192 3360694 2890287 > > ^^^^^^^ > > > >How come *this* number and the number below are different by a factor > >of 7??? It should have been the same. ``iozone 16 8192'' and the > >above line from ``iozone auto'' do exactly the same things yet we > >are seeing this *huge* descrepancy. > > Because there isn't enough 'free' memory at the time that he ran the test > to cache the entire file. Since it's read sequentially and the cache policy > for something like this is more or less LRU, it get pushed out of the cache > before it is read back. Then I have doubts about all of his benchmark results if he has not truely been dedicating the machine to the task being benchmarked :-(. He wants to know why one machine is slow than the other, and every set of numbers he produces says the opposite should be true, until these numbers came in. Note that he also say very low numbers all the way down the test, so I do suspect you are right, he had something else sucking up his memory. Both machines where heavy on memory (one was 64MB the other 32MB) so he should *easily* be able to get a 16MB fast iozone results, and infact his singal run of ``iozone 16 8192'' did show the good number. I think I am just going to leave this to him to sort out, as he can not produce meaniful benchmark results if he does not duplicate environments correctly :-(. Thanks for playing :-) :-) -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 22:46:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA00768 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:46:09 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA00750 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:46:01 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA08613; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:48:57 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA00160; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:46:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199506030546.WAA00160@corbin.Root.COM> To: Charles Henrich cc: rls@kilroy.id.net (Robert Shady), rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A performance mystery In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 95 01:36:15 EDT." <199506030536.WAA29882@freefall.cdrom.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 22:46:06 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> I missed the original message, but I'm guessing this is to an MFS mounted >> files system? Or what.. > >Here's the situation, I have a Compaq Prolinea 575 (75mhz Pentium) w/ 24mb ram, >and a 3gig Seagate ST3400N (number may be a tad off) drive. I also have a >Micron P90 Powerstation w/ 64mb ram, and a brand new connor drive. The Compaq >will compile a kernel in 8:30 that takes the Micron 9:30. My question was, did >anyone have any idea why this is? I just re-ran all the tests and here is the >results (slightly different kernel config) > > Compaq Proliant 575 Micron P90 Powerstation > >time make 8:55 9:39 Can you run this test with "time make" so that the CPU vs. real time can be examined? Without this, we're just guessing about where the problem might be. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 22:50:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA01283 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:50:39 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA01269 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:50:31 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA09513; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:50:12 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506030550.WAA09513@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: A performance mystery To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.Org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506030540.WAA09476@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Charles Henrich" at Jun 3, 95 01:40:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1153 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk > > > Notice the fact these numbers are *IDENTICAL*, but yours are not, > > again something does not add up :-( > > I am as baffled as you are, I just do not understand how the Compaq with > such miserable memory performance (how exactly do you build a computer > so that reads are *slower* than writes?) and much slower CPU can do so > well in the overall. The only thing I have ever seen that makes writes faster than reads is a system with the turbo mode turned off. But that would make the slow machine even FASTER :-(. I am starting to wonder about seek times of the disks, this can be a major contributor to build time of a kernel. If you could only make the memory in both machines the same size so that we could pull the whole kernel sources into the buffer cache and see what the difference was. cd /sys find . | xargs cat >/dev/null cd compile/YOURKERNEL; time make all >&make.OUT Please include full output results from time command, it may show us some more things to look at. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 22:55:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA01749 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:55:43 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temp@[198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA01735 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:55:34 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA17080; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 01:53:05 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 01:53:04 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Re: A performance mystery To: Charles Henrich cc: Robert Shady , henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506030536.WAA29882@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Question, are the scsi controllers the same??? also what are the chipsets, are they the same? and by chance is anything being run on machine and not other? (eg. I have onboard NCR pci and Adaptec 2940 on one motherboard, and when I do a test under dos, with the same harddrive, the Adaptec 2940 blows the NCR out of the water) On Sat, 3 Jun 1995, Charles Henrich wrote: > > I missed the original message, but I'm guessing this is to an MFS mounted > > files system? Or what.. > > Here's the situation, I have a Compaq Prolinea 575 (75mhz Pentium) w/ 24mb ram, > and a 3gig Seagate ST3400N (number may be a tad off) drive. I also have a > Micron P90 Powerstation w/ 64mb ram, and a brand new connor drive. The Compaq > will compile a kernel in 8:30 that takes the Micron 9:30. My question was, did > anyone have any idea why this is? I just re-ran all the tests and here is the > results (slightly different kernel config) > > Compaq Proliant 575 Micron P90 Powerstation > > time make 8:55 9:39 > ram-speed 10.85 Mb/S, 7.08 Mb/S 10.61 Mb/S, 20.66 Mb/S > iozone 200 2486434/4150208 2446772/4203499 > iozone 16 8192 3360694/2677660 2711469/13256071 > > The make time is wall time, ram-speed tests the raw memory bandwidth, defeating > cache almost 100%. iozone 200 tests raw read/write performance to disk, as it > far exceeds ram size, memory cache effect is insignificant. iozone 16 8192 > tests the memory speed with cache involved, because the test size is so small, > (as Rod pointed out) its essentially just a bunch of bcopy's. > > As you can see by the ram-speed and iozone tests (and the fact that its a > Pentium-75!) the Compaq should be sorely beaten in build time over the Micron, > but yet its not. Hence the mystery. > > -Crh > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu > > http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ > From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 23:21:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA05675 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:21:56 -0700 Received: from psi.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (psi.wsl.sinica.edu.tw [140.109.7.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA05668 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:21:50 -0700 Received: (from ywliu@localhost) by psi.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA18384; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:32:00 GMT From: Yen-Wei Liu Message-Id: <199506031432.OAA18384@psi.wsl.sinica.edu.tw> Subject: Re: UNIX crypt() source - the problem solved (fwd) To: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:31:59 +0000 () Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506030000.TAA12776@bonkers.taronga.com> from "Peter da Silva" at Jun 2, 95 07:00:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 593 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > /* > * UNIXCRPT.C > * > * UNIX Crypt() Implementation > * Programmed by Mark Saarinen > * > */ > There is another question here : I am compiling PINE/IMAPD on FreeBSD 2.0. IMAPD requires crypt(). Unfortunately there is only MD5 on my systems. Now I wonder if there is a wrapper function named crypt() which take advantage of MD5 rather than DES ? If no, I either write my own or apply secdist. I live outside the US and I don't want to use DES illegally. --- Yen-Wei Liu Internet e-mail address:ywliu@beta.wsl.sinica.edu.tw ywliu@gate.sinica.edu.tw FAX: +886-2-783-6444 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 23:24:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA05910 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:24:22 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA05904 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:24:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199506030624.XAA05904@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA25544; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 02:24:02 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: Re: A performance mystery To: temp@temptation.interlog.com (Temptation) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 02:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, rls@kilroy.id.net, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Temptation" at Jun 3, 95 01:53:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 618 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Question, are the scsi controllers the same??? also what are the > chipsets, are they the same? and by chance is anything being run on > machine and not other? (eg. I have onboard NCR pci and Adaptec 2940 on > one motherboard, and when I do a test under dos, with the same harddrive, > the Adaptec 2940 blows the NCR out of the water) The Compaq currently has a Adaptec 2940 in it, the Micron a buslogic 946C, I have swapped the two however and performance is nearly identicle. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 23:24:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA06029 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:24:56 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA06013 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:24:46 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA04316; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:20:49 +1000 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:20:49 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506030620.QAA04316@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, rls@kilroy.id.net Subject: Re: A performance mystery Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Compaq Proliant 575 Micron P90 Powerstation >time make 8:55 9:39 >ram-speed 10.85 Mb/S, 7.08 Mb/S 10.61 Mb/S, 20.66 Mb/S >iozone 200 2486434/4150208 2446772/4203499 >iozone 16 8192 3360694/2677660 2711469/13256071 >The make time is wall time, ram-speed tests the raw memory bandwidth, defeating >cache almost 100%. iozone 200 tests raw read/write performance to disk, as it >far exceeds ram size, memory cache effect is insignificant. iozone 16 8192 >tests the memory speed with cache involved, because the test size is so small, >(as Rod pointed out) its essentially just a bunch of bcopy's. >As you can see by the ram-speed and iozone tests (and the fact that its a >Pentium-75!) the Compaq should be sorely beaten in build time over the Micron, >but yet its not. Hence the mystery. Apparently the Compaq has a much better (memory) cache and it gets used a lot for building the kernel. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 23:27:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA06366 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:27:24 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temp@temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA06359 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:27:21 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id CAA17126; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 02:25:50 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 02:25:50 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Re: A performance mystery To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: Charles Henrich , henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506030449.VAA09321@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I tried this on my machine, 486-66 (saturn chip) pci 256meg, NCR pci, Seagate 1.gig > ``repeat 10 iozone 16 8192'' > > You said this was a Pentium right?? If it is that number is low for > a triton board: (ASUS PCI/I-P54TP4, 90Mhz CPU, 64MB memory) > Writing the 16 Megabyte file, 'iozone.tmp'...8.757812 seconds > Reading the file...0.921875 seconds > > IOZONE performance measurements: > 1915685 bytes/second for writing the file > 18199013 bytes/second for reading the file Writing the 16 Megabyte file, 'iozone.tmp' ...6.367188 seconds Reading the files....2.164062 seconds (as it was scrolling I seen this number as low as 1.xxx seconds) IOZONE perfor. measurements: 2634949 bytes/second for writing the file 7752648 bytes/second for reading the file From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 23:27:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA06417 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:27:31 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA06407 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:27:29 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id XAA12031; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:25:49 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506030625.XAA12031@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: UNIX crypt() source - the problem solved (fwd) To: ywliu@psi.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (Yen-Wei Liu) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Cc: peter@bonkers.taronga.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506031432.OAA18384@psi.wsl.sinica.edu.tw> from "Yen-Wei Liu" at Jun 3, 95 02:31:59 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 688 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > There is another question here : I am compiling PINE/IMAPD on FreeBSD 2.0. > IMAPD requires crypt(). Unfortunately there is only MD5 on my systems. > Now I wonder if there is a wrapper function named crypt() which take > advantage of MD5 rather than DES ? If no, I either write my own or > apply secdist. The MD5 implementation in FreeBSD is compatible with the DES implementation in all but one aspect: the crypted password string is longer. To get the crypt() function, you need to link with -lcrypt. -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 23:33:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA06816 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:33:37 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temp@temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA06810 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:33:34 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id CAA17139; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 02:31:37 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 02:31:37 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Re: A performance mystery To: Charles Henrich cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, rls@kilroy.id.net, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506030624.XAA05904@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk that is strange, the 2940 is faster then the Buslogic, whats the numbers if you put both cards in compaq and run that repeat ........ > The Compaq currently has a Adaptec 2940 in it, the Micron a buslogic 946C, I > have swapped the two however and performance is nearly identicle. > > -Crh > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu > > http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ > From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 2 23:38:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA07139 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:38:25 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA07133 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:38:23 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA21298; Sat, 3 Jun 95 08:38:12 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id IAA15964; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 08:50:55 +0200 Message-Id: <199506030650.IAA15964@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: aha0 and ncr0 To: gibbs@freefall.cdrom.com (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 08:50:54 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506022032.NAA10103@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at Jun 2, 95 01:32:38 pm From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 959 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > >Am I missing something? I have > > > >controller ncr0 > >controller scbus0 > >controller aha0 > > This line should read: > > controller aha0 at isa? port "IO_AHA0" bio irq ? drq 5 vector ahaintr > > In general, look at the GENERIC or LINT sample config files for examples > of how different device lines should be written. > Looks like I still need some help: Since I have both scsi controller configured the system a) doesn't see (autoconfigure/dmesg) aha0 b) hangs on 'changing root device to sd0a' Is there something special to de vice numbering with more than one scsibus? > >--Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de > > -- > Justin T. Gibbs > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950531 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0531 #0: Wed May 31 06:16:35 MET DST 1995 root@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 00:54:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA13713 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 00:54:15 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA13697 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 00:54:12 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA12015; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 00:52:43 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506030752.AAA12015@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: To: agl@mac.glas.apc.org (Anthony Graphics) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 00:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, dufault@hda.com In-Reply-To: from "Anthony Graphics" at May 30, 95 01:20:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2266 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > tOn Tue, 30 May 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > Can you please send me ALL of the markings on both the top and > > the bottom of the chip. I have an open incident number with Intel > > on this and need that information to add to the report. If possible > > get your hands on a stepping 1 CPU and see if the problem just goes > > away. > > > Top markings: > Intel(r) > IntelDX4 tm > iCOMP tm index=435 > > A80486DX4-100 > | C405053W > | &E 3VOLT SX900 > | INTEL (M)(C)'89'93 > > Marks on the Bottom (on the pin's grid side): > A4212608CA > White label: WARRANTY VOID IF TORN > 13080595 Thank you, this helped me get my currently open incident report with Intel elevated from technical support to engineering staff. I should be hereing from an Intel engineer about the problem you are having and that Peter Dufault is also having. If there are others of you out there who have an Intel 486DX4/100 (either the ODP [DX4ODPR100] or a real DX4/100 [A80486DX4-100]) and are seeing really strange crashes like illegal/privlidged intruction fault in the kernel or misc proc's that core with signals please get the above information to me so that I can add it to the open report. There has to be a *REASON* that intel went to stepping 1 V1.1 on the chip, and they can't or won't tell me what it was :-( Though both sites are having problems with stepping 0 chips, they SX/SZ numbers are quite different. There is not a S-Spec to mask data sheet for the 486 family like there is for the Pentium so I can not easily find out if the masks are infact the same between the failing chips. Even the tech support folks could not find that out :-(. I am hoping the engineer has this information! > Don't know what's under the label: and I checked it twice, > so the possibility of mistake here is minimal. That is fine, what is under the label is probably a 2 digit number, don't worry about. Intel understands all about these white labels, as all Intel Authroized distributors put them on there. If you get a chip with out one it was probably a grey market or very large direct order OEM chip. > AGL -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 01:22:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA16015 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 01:22:01 -0700 Received: from indigo.csci.csusb.edu (nwestfal@indigo.csci.csusb.edu [139.182.38.28]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA16009 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 01:21:54 -0700 Received: by indigo.csci.csusb.edu (931110.SGI/930416.SGI) for hackers@freebsd.org id AA18607; Sat, 3 Jun 95 01:19:43 -0700 From: nwestfal@indigo.csci.csusb.edu (Neal Westfall) Message-Id: <9506030819.AA18607@indigo.csci.csusb.edu> Subject: DES To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 01:19:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 566 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk After installing 2.0.5-ALPHA on a 486 DX4-100 machine with 4MB of ram, I cannot use passwords. If I try to give an account a password it will not allow that user to log in. I installed the des distribution. I do not remember doing anything special in this regard when I installed the April snapshot on this same machine, and also installing des. What do I need to do? -- Neal Westfall nwestfal@csci.csusb.edu FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #0: Wed May 3 11:08:38 PDT 1995 root@darkside.csci.csusb.edu:/usr/src/sys/compile/DARKSIDE From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 01:54:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA17734 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 01:54:27 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA17728 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 01:54:23 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA05266; Sat, 3 Jun 95 02:47:16 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506030847.AA05266@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Interval timer/System clock To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 95 2:47:15 MDT Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, james@miller.cs.uwm.edu In-Reply-To: <199506030425.OAA32558@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 3, 95 02:25:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >Would it be resonable to propose a faster system clock than 10ms? The > >DEC hardware seems to run somewhere around 5ms which would give you an > >accurate user level clock at 10ms. > > I used 200Hz for a long time with no problems (I don't run timed or > xntpd). I've used 10000Hz for testing. I think there is little need > for faster than 100Hz except for quasi-real-time stuff. Terry's > one-shot timers might work better for that. The stuff that I usually propose has two purposes: 1) gettimeofday/getitimer/setitimer/select, all of which are considered "Real Time Extensions" according to SVID III. 2) Replacing DELAY in device drivers as part of enabling kernel multithreading, a necessary step in maximizing concurrency and aloowing kernel multithreading in an SMP environment. The Kernel preeemption issue for the QIC-40/80 driver is that it needs "at this time" rather than "at least after this time" for correct operation without buz-looping: in other words, deadlining (another Real Time issue). This is desirable because of the relatively long duration of the intervals where a buzz-loop is currently used, in combination with the lack of a FIFO that exists or that can be detected on most floppy controllers. Up to 60% of your system time (depending on how fast your box is) can be wasted keeping correct timing for the driver (which is why we all hate floppy tape drives). What the previous poster wants is a faster system time update frequency, which is actually only loosely coupled to the system clock frequency. On a relatively idle system, a SPARStation 1+ can keep interval timers/select timeouts/time of day to about 4uS. There's no real hardware reason (if f you accept an HZ value of 64 or 128) that PC hardware couldn't do the same. It's all in the mailing list archive. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 01:55:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA17900 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 01:55:46 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA17888 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 01:55:42 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA03558; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:55:36 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA20792 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:55:35 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA16682 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:38:04 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506030738.JAA16682@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Anyone interested in a STREAMS port? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:38:04 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 2300 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi crowd, is there anyone interested in a STREAMS port? Matthias Urlichs , author of a (the?) Linux STREAMS module complained in de.comp.os.unix that nobody from the BSD camp stepped in so far to port them, though he claims that his package should be portable enough. At my personal request, he made me believe that he would be willing to release them for us under a BSD-style copyright, too, lest we should complain. So if anyone's interested, below is the pointer, as well as Matthias' answer to me. As Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Message-Id: > Date: Fri, 2 Jun 95 19:56 MET DST > From: urlichs@smurf.noris.de (Matthias Urlichs) > To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de > Subject: Re: Device-Treiber portieren [SCO -> Linux] > Newsgroups: de.comp.os.linux,de.comp.os.unix > In-Reply-To: <3qeona$ckb@bonnie.tcd-dresden.de> > References: <3n14tl$3ur@sbb.aball.de> <3nvkq4$2or@smurf.noris.de> <3oa1ue$cq3@bonnie.tcd-dresden.de> <3pnqbm$dps@smurf.noris.de> > Organization: noris network GbR, Nuernberg, FRG > > Hi, > > [Streams unter *BSD] > > > > >Aber es sind MEINE Streams, d.h. es sollte kein Problem sein, die Teile > > >zusaetzlich unter einer anderen License rauszugeben. (Bevor jemand meckert: > > >JA DAS GEHT -- siehe Perl, da geht es naemlich auch...) > > > > jemand Interesse hat. Ich selbst habe weder die Zeit, noch die > > nötigen Hintergrundinformationen über den Sinn und Unsinn von Streams. > > > > Falls Du mir einen Pointer gibst, wo man das finden kann (und wie es > > heißt), kann ich die Anfrage auch selbst stellen. > > > Gerne -- der Kram findet sich in /pub/systems/linux/isdn/ftp.noris.de/ auf > ftp.uni-stuttgart.de. > > -- > Depart not from the path which fate has assigned you. > -- > Matthias Urlichs \ XLink-POP Nürnberg | EMail: urlichs@smurf.noris.de > Schleiermacherstraße 12 \ Unix+Linux+Mac | Phone: ...please use email. > 90491 Nürnberg (Germany) \ Consulting+Networking+Programming+etc'ing 42 > PGP: 1B 89 E2 1C 43 EA 80 44 15 D2 29 CF C6 C7 E0 DE > Click here. > -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 01:55:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA17905 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 01:55:46 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA17889 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 01:55:43 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA03578; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:55:41 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA20807; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:55:40 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA16939; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:27:41 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506030827.KAA16939@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: hang problems To: james@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Jim Lowe) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:27:41 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505151832.NAA17968@miller.cs.uwm.edu> from "Jim Lowe" at May 15, 95 01:32:40 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 718 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jim Lowe wrote: > > Every once in a while after I reboot my system, it hangs. I am not sure > what type of problem this is. Is there a method to obtain a core dump or > drop the system into the kernel debugger after/during a system hang? Nope, the system is no longer running at this stage, it attempted to reset the CPU (either way, i think it first tries the keyboard controller reset, and then a CPU shutdown [wiping the page table directory, and flush the TLB]). If the system is stuck at this point, only a hardware reset will help. Rod, ain't this your baby? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 01:56:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA18106 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 01:56:55 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA18098 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 01:56:52 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA03586; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:55:51 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA20813; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:55:41 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA17080; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:45:38 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506030845.KAA17080@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: I need your help... To: nata@bitmcnit.bryansk.su (Natalya A. Vinokurova) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:45:38 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Natalya A. Vinokurova" at May 24, 95 12:15:18 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 790 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Zdravstvujte Natalya (wow, actually there's a women writing here :), > I have a problem.... I need to make driver for non-standart device for > my work. How can I do that? Wouldn't you describe me the common structure of > device driver for FreeBSD? There's no such thing as a "common structure of device driver for FreeBSD". All you can do is looking at similar device drivers, and try to use them as templates for your new one. If you're willing to be more specific, i can offer you some hints, preferrably via private email then. But maybe Andrey Chernov is the better partner for you, potomu chto on toshe govorit russki (ya dumayu :-). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 02:11:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA20287 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 02:11:57 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA20264 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 02:11:52 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id CAA12950; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 02:11:26 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506030911.CAA12950@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: hang problems To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 02:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Cc: james@miller.cs.uwm.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199506030827.KAA16939@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 3, 95 10:27:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 899 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > As Jim Lowe wrote: > > > > Every once in a while after I reboot my system, it hangs. I am not sure > > what type of problem this is. Is there a method to obtain a core dump or > > drop the system into the kernel debugger after/during a system hang? > > Nope, the system is no longer running at this stage, it attempted to > reset the CPU (either way, i think it first tries the keyboard > controller reset, and then a CPU shutdown [wiping the page table > directory, and flush the TLB]). If the system is stuck at this > point, only a hardware reset will help. > > Rod, ain't this your baby? Nope, my baby is very solid. It is either a ``well reboot'' or ``won't reboot'', it is never a ``Every once in a while'' type of problem. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 02:16:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA21023 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 02:16:25 -0700 Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (some.schmuck.lame.delegated.to.RAIN.PSG.COM [146.64.24.58]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA21001 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 02:16:14 -0700 Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA14101; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 11:07:49 +0200 From: John Hay Message-Id: <199506030907.LAA14101@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: UNIX crypt() source - the problem solved (fwd) To: ywliu@psi.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (Yen-Wei Liu) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 11:07:48 +0200 (SAT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506031432.OAA18384@psi.wsl.sinica.edu.tw> from "Yen-Wei Liu" at Jun 3, 95 02:31:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 505 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > There is another question here : I am compiling PINE/IMAPD on FreeBSD 2.0. > IMAPD requires crypt(). Unfortunately there is only MD5 on my systems. > Now I wonder if there is a wrapper function named crypt() which take > advantage of MD5 rather than DES ? If no, I either write my own or > apply secdist. > > I live outside the US and I don't want to use DES illegally. > You can get legal (out of US) crypt stuf for FreeBSD on: skeleton.mikom.csir.co.za Enjoy. -- John Hay -- jhay@mikom.csir.co.za From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 02:33:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA23406 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 02:33:41 -0700 Received: from physics.su.oz.au (dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA23393 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 02:33:36 -0700 Received: by physics.su.oz.au id AA19600 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for hackers@freebsd.org); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:33:15 +1000 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199506030933.AA19600@physics.su.oz.au> Subject: Re: hang problems To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:33:14 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506030911.CAA12950@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 3, 95 02:11:25 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 918 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> As Jim Lowe wrote: >> > >> > Every once in a while after I reboot my system, it hangs. I am not sure >> > what type of problem this is. Is there a method to obtain a core dump or >> > drop the system into the kernel debugger after/during a system hang? >> >> Nope, the system is no longer running at this stage, it attempted to >> reset the CPU (either way, i think it first tries the keyboard >> controller reset, and then a CPU shutdown [wiping the page table >> directory, and flush the TLB]). If the system is stuck at this >> point, only a hardware reset will help. >> >> Rod, ain't this your baby? > >Nope, my baby is very solid. It is either a ``well reboot'' or >``won't reboot'', it is never a ``Every once in a while'' type >of problem. I've noticed that my new machine with an ASUS Triton board (PCI/I-P54TP4) falls into the ``won't reboot'' category. Is this a known "feature" of these? David From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 09:13:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA00268 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:13:30 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA00262 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:13:30 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id JAA13132 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:13:31 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506031613.JAA13132@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Anyone interested in a STREAMS port? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:13:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199506030738.JAA16682@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 3, 95 09:38:04 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 386 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Hi crowd, > > is there anyone interested in a STREAMS port? Matthias Urlichs I think streams are a great invention for tty devices, but I'm not at all sure for networks. What would we use them for ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 09:19:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA00516 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:19:12 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA00509 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:19:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199506031619.JAA00509@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: nwestfal@indigo.csci.csusb.edu (Neal Westfall) cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DES In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 95 01:19:43 PDT." <9506030819.AA18607@indigo.csci.csusb.edu> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 09:19:10 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >After installing 2.0.5-ALPHA on a 486 DX4-100 machine with 4MB of >ram, I cannot use passwords. If I try to give an account a password >it will not allow that user to log in. > ... > >What do I need to do? Check to make sure that /usr/lib/libcrypt.* point to the libdescrypt libraries. I'm not sure if this is getting handled properly by sysinstall yet. >-- > >Neal Westfall nwestfal@csci.csusb.edu -- Justin T. Gibbs From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 09:19:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA00661 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:19:44 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA00651 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:19:42 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA05104 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:05:40 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA05722; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:53:38 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id NAA22005; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:53:37 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA17726; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:47:41 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506031147.NAA17726@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Large installations of FreeBSD? To: asami@CS.Berkeley.EDU (Satoshi Asami | =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQHUbKEI=?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOCsbKEIgGyRCOC0bKEI=?=) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:47:41 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505121217.FAA07593@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> from "Satoshi Asami | =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQHUbKEI=?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOCsbKEIgGyRCOC0bKEI=?=" at May 12, 95 05:17:57 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 303 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I forgot to mention in my other message, just FYI, both these machines are running a serial console and my very first version of the "serialized" boot blocks. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 09:20:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA00699 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:20:03 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA00656 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:19:43 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA05100 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:05:27 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA06064; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:22:11 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id OAA22075; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:21:48 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA18115; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:18:04 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506031218.OAA18115@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: mount "features" To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:18:04 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: agl@redline.ru Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505262028.GAA12512@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at May 27, 95 06:28:16 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 653 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Bruce Evans wrote: > > >mount /dev/fd0 /mnt > >(on the write protected floppy) Well, getting tons of errors from the kernel, > >ok > > Mount (rw) and open ([r]w) don't check for writability. The mount succeeds > and you get errors later. It's the floppy driver. I plan to fix this later (but definately not for 2.1 -- i wouldn't like to blow the floppy driver again for such a cosmetic thing). The last fix^H^H^Hhack we've got for this has been way too simple, and it had some very ill side-effects. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 09:20:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA00720 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:20:05 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA00705 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:20:04 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA05108 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:05:45 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA05717; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:53:37 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id NAA22002; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:53:35 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA17669; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:42:59 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506031142.NAA17669@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Large installations of FreeBSD? To: asami@CS.Berkeley.EDU (Satoshi Asami | =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQHUbKEI=?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOCsbKEIgGyRCOC0bKEI=?=) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:42:59 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505121217.FAA07593@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> from "Satoshi Asami | =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQHUbKEI=?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOCsbKEIgGyRCOC0bKEI=?=" at May 12, 95 05:17:57 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 3129 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Satoshi Asami | =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQHUbKEI=?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOCsbKEIgGyRCOC0bKEI=?= wrote: > > Hello FreeBSD hackers. I'm the one that asked about "case for > FreeBSD" help a while ago...well I'm still fighting for my life > against a large number of WS and Linux proponents. > > Anyway, I have a question for you. Are any of you using FreeBSD in a > large community? By large, I mean: > > (1) The machine is "large", i.e., lots of memory/disk, large number of > users/ftp/http connections (e.g., wcarchive, Brian Tao's www site) There are two FreeBSD machines around me that might fall into your classification. The first is sax.sax.de, the access point for my local (non-profit) ISP. This is a not a too big machine (486/40, 16 MB RAM, 2 x 500 MB disks, currently 4 modems and additional telnet access via a term server from the local university), but it's serving around 50 users. It handles all mail traffic for them (including my huge amount of -hackers and CTM mail), and operates as a relay to the news backbone of the local university. It's still running 1.1.5.1. More modems and multiport card are planned. The most annoying problems are sometimes hanging terminal lines (generic BSD problem, old Illtrices are told to have been suffered much more from it: a modem line breaks down, and the process jams with the "E" flag [trying to exit] on the "ttyout" wait channel), and the problem recently mentioned in Usenet where several programs do not properly exit after a modem line breakdown, and loop forever until killed. (Lynx being the most offending program here.) The second one is the main server for our company. It's mainly serving 3 GB files via NFS (on 3 disks), but also has to take the load for a small amount of News and Mail, as well as being the local DNS server, a tftp server for X-Terminals, a font server for several X-Servers, and every other task of this kind that comes to mind. It's also often used for development purposes (including larger C++ compilations in the past), even though we are not selling FreeBSD programs. The machine is an i586/90, 64 MB RAM, PCI-bus, NCR 52C810, WD8013 ethernet (the DEC cards haven't been available yet at the time the box has been purchased). It's also still running 1.1.5.1, but with a modified kernel that devotes ~ 36 MB of the RAM for the file system buffer cache, since the main purpose is to act as an NFS server. This machine has been replacing an overloaded old Data General workstation, much to the satisfaction of my collegues, btw. It's sometimes also suffering from a hanging modem port (symptoms as above), and i've crashed it twice by doing some odd tape operation, which consequently spammed the SCSI bus (it's running a rather early version of the PCI/NCR code). Other than this, it's not even experiencing the ``object collapse'' problem, and it has already seen uptimes as large as three months (much in contrast to the SGI Indy's that are sitting next to it :-). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 09:22:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA01055 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:22:07 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA01049 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:22:04 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA08763; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:53:12 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id RAA22701 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:53:10 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA19071 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:23:26 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506031423.QAA19071@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: shm* man pages To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:23:25 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at May 7, 95 07:16:42 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 425 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Brian Tao wrote: > > Are we getting man pages for the stuff in soon? > > % man shmget > No manual entry for shmget Since the code is copyrighted by Charles Hannum, maybe NetBSD has them already? Otherwise, submit a problem report to ensure it won't be lost. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 09:22:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA01151 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:22:26 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA01145 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:22:23 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA08771; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:53:14 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id RAA22707 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:53:12 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA19306 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:58:34 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506031458.QAA19306@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: SYSVSHM & X11 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:58:32 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199505172105.XAA00243@yedi.iaf.nl> from "Wilko Bulte" at May 17, 95 11:05:48 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 734 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Wilko Bulte wrote: > > This might be a stupid question.. > > Xfree uses SYSVSHM when available to speedup things. This is a wrong conclusion. All the MITSHM extension does is to provide a second interface for transferring images between the client and the server, i.e. there's a second set of functions for XGetImage()/XPutImage() using the MITSHM extension. This is to say you: o the client must be aware of the MITSHM extension in order to use it o don't confuse this with a shm-based local transport protocol some commercial vendors have implemented into their servers -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 09:22:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA01222 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:22:40 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA01216 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:22:37 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA08735; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:53:05 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id RAA22680 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:53:02 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA18698 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:41:33 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506031341.PAA18698@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: pcnfsd or bwnfsd To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:41:32 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199505191141.HAA10969@hda.com> from "Peter Dufault" at May 19, 95 07:41:26 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 809 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Peter Dufault wrote: > > > * ** - you do not charge money for the source code (unlikely, given > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > * ** its free availability) > > > > Um...I guess we can't put the source code on the CDROM but the binary > > package is ok. Is that the correct interpretation? > > I wouldn't put this on the CD-ROM without passing it before a lawyer. I don't think we'd get a problem with this. I've seen the source code for pcnfsd even appearing in FTP Software's PC/TCP commercial distribution, as kind of service to those folks who miss a pcnfsd in their Unix system. It's appearing as ``unsupported'' there. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 09:22:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA01304 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:22:57 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA01298 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:22:54 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA08755; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:53:10 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id RAA22695; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:53:07 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA19020; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:14:00 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506031414.QAA19020@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Setuid perl scripts To: mmead@Glock.COM (matthew c. mead) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:14:00 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505262153.RAA17029@Glock.COM> from "matthew c. mead" at May 26, 95 05:53:12 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 295 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As matthew c. mead wrote: > > Anyone know why setuid perl scripts don't work with /usr/bin/perl? What's wrong with using /usr/bin/suidperl instead? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 09:23:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA01397 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:23:16 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA01391 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:23:11 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA08787; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:53:23 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id RAA22719; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:53:22 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA19657; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:31:32 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506031531.RAA19657@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: XFree 3.1.1 question (Diamond/PCI/Bustec) To: rashid@haven.ios.com (Rashid Karimov.) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:31:31 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505230135.VAA09921@haven.ios.com> from "Rashid Karimov." at May 22, 95 09:35:29 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 462 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Rashid Karimov. wrote: > > Hi ther folx, > > The video card is Diamond Stealth 64 PCI. > System alsohas a Bustec SCSI Bt946c controller. > > The problem: Wrong list. Although David Dawes is listening here, please direct this type of questions to the addresses as listed in the XFree86 (TM) documentation. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 09:23:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA01484 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:23:33 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA01471 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:23:29 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA08775; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:53:15 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id RAA22710; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:53:13 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA19336; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:00:32 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506031500.RAA19336@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Technical support on FreeBSD Installation To: palomino@nuclecu.unam.mx (Carlos Palomino) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:00:32 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505240236.UAA00911@sphinx.nuclecu.unam.mx> from "Carlos Palomino" at May 23, 95 08:36:14 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 867 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Carlos Palomino wrote: > > > I'm installing FreeBSD 2.0 from the Walnut Creek CD-ROM. I have an Acer 486/25 > EISA with a BusLogic 742A SCSI controller to which I have attached > both a CDC 639 Mb Hard disk and a NEC Multispin CD-ROM. > I have already installed the kernel in the Hard Disk and it boots ok, but when I > get to the section in which the system asks for the source where I want > to load the binnaries from, and I choose "SCSI CD-ROM" , I get a message saying: > > "Unable to mount /dev/cd0a on /mnt" > > Is it maybe that the NEC CD-ROM is not supported? , I ask this because the > SCSI card seems to work fin with the HD. What do your boot messages say about the detected devices on the SCSI bus? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 09:23:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA01575 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:23:52 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA01548 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:23:44 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA08712; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:52:59 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id RAA22665; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:52:58 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA18266; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:37:31 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506031237.OAA18266@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: hang problems To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:37:31 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506030911.CAA12950@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 3, 95 02:11:25 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1017 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > [reboot hangs] > > Rod, ain't this your baby? > > Nope, my baby is very solid. It is either a ``well reboot'' or > ``won't reboot'', it is never a ``Every once in a while'' type > of problem. Aye, i see. Where does my problem belong to? Box is an EISA, some SiS chipset, ELSA Winner 1000 grfx (S3 86C928). Reboots normally work, but under some particular circumstances (e.g. if i call ``cpu_reset'' from DDB, after a panic or somesuch), it attempts to reboot, and finally just sits there and beeps. The beep code indicates that it didn't find its video adaptor. I have to hit reset then. This is (i think) still with a kernel that only uses the ``CPU shut down'' method. Hmmm... just looked up the kernel source. The CPU reset code is already in there, so now i'm not sure if the symptom still happens now. I'll watch out for it. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 09:33:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA02058 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:33:38 -0700 Received: from server (server.cpr.tnet.it [194.20.172.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA02052 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:33:36 -0700 Received: by server.cpr.tnet.it (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11955; Sat, 3 Jun 95 14:16:17 +0200 From: netadm@server.cpr.tnet.it (Network Administrator) Message-Id: <9506031216.AA11955@server.cpr.tnet.it> Subject: FreeBSD on Digital HX 590 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 3 Jun 95 14:16:16 MET DST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am Maurizio Caneve, from Pisa, Italy I would like to know if FreeBSD is able to run on a Digital HX 590 with one or two Pentium processors. We should want to use such a machine as a server for some Internet services Waiting for your kind answer I give you my best regards Maurizio Caneve From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 09:43:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA02287 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:43:54 -0700 Received: from emory.mathcs.emory.edu (emory.mathcs.emory.edu [128.140.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA02278 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:43:53 -0700 Received: from bagend.UUCP by emory.mathcs.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_mathcs.4.0.14) via UUCP id AA16098 ; Sat, 3 Jun 95 11:18:18 -0400 Received: by bagend.atl.ga.us (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0sHuxa-00019mC; Sat, 3 Jun 95 11:17 EDT Message-Id: From: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Subject: alpha floppy request To: emory!freebsd.org!freebsd-hackers (FreeBSD Hackers) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 11:17:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1016 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ack, I just fetched from ALPHA last night and this morning the README has not changed but the *.flp seems to. Can they be indexed/numbered/whatever someway so that when we know which one we are using and Jordon knows which one we are commenting on? Actually, I found this version of fdisk and disklabel more confusing than the old ones. Maybe this is simply because there is not yet a doc about it to read before using. This was especially problematic in that I do not know what the various codes mean in disklabel. For instance, when I ask it to mount an existing dos partition there is no feedback about what the meaning of the label in the newfs collumn. This is very unnerving to someone who does not have a working tape drive right now. :-) Just to throw a monkey into the works... I know everyone wanted to cut a 2.0.5 cd last month ... but ... 3.1.2 is due from XFree86 in a couple of weeks with lots of new FreeBSD support expected therein, like *my* video card. :) -- Jan Isley jan@bagend.atl.ga.us From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 09:47:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA02447 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:47:05 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA02441 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:46:58 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA15241; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:46:07 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506031646.JAA15241@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: hang problems To: dawes@physics.usyd.edu.au (David Dawes) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506030933.AA19600@physics.su.oz.au> from "David Dawes" at Jun 3, 95 07:33:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1833 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > >> As Jim Lowe wrote: > >> > > >> > Every once in a while after I reboot my system, it hangs. I am not sure > >> > what type of problem this is. Is there a method to obtain a core dump or > >> > drop the system into the kernel debugger after/during a system hang? > >> > >> Nope, the system is no longer running at this stage, it attempted to > >> reset the CPU (either way, i think it first tries the keyboard > >> controller reset, and then a CPU shutdown [wiping the page table > >> directory, and flush the TLB]). If the system is stuck at this > >> point, only a hardware reset will help. > >> > >> Rod, ain't this your baby? > > > >Nope, my baby is very solid. It is either a ``well reboot'' or > >``won't reboot'', it is never a ``Every once in a while'' type > >of problem. > > I've noticed that my new machine with an ASUS Triton board (PCI/I-P54TP4) > falls into the ``won't reboot'' category. Is this a known "feature" of > these? Yes, this has been fixed as of: RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/i386/vm_machdep.c,v ---------------------------- revision 1.36 date: 1995/04/26 07:38:35; author: rgrimes; state: Exp; lines: +14 -1 Add outb to keyboard controller to do a cpu_reset, this fixes 2 known cases of motherboards that failed to reboot. ---------------------------- Though this is now causing other boards to have a problem which caused: ---------------------------- revision 1.38 date: 1995/05/18 09:17:07; author: davidg; state: Exp; lines: +4 -1 Added "BROKEN_KEYBOARD_RESET" option to disable using the keyboard reset in cpu_reset(). Some MBs don't deal with this properly. Submitted by: Rod Grimes ---------------------------- -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 09:56:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA02922 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:56:34 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com ([199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA02912 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:56:33 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA03710 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:55:13 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:55:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199506031655.MAA03710@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: NFS load of 2.0.5A Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk We have a local server which we are storing the dist files...should all of the files be in the same directory? Or should they be in bin, src, etc..... thanks, dennis From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 09:58:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA03166 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:58:26 -0700 Received: from physics.su.oz.au (root@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA03158 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:58:24 -0700 Received: by physics.su.oz.au id AA21539 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for hackers@freebsd.org); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 00:58:17 +1000 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199506031458.AA21539@physics.su.oz.au> Subject: My experience with the latest 2.0.5-ALPHA boot/install To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 00:58:15 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2427 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk This is with the boot image dated 3 June 12:06 GMT. Problems/observations: 1. It sometimes gets stuck when attempting to redo things -- like return to the Partition screen, or redo ftp because of failure. By "get stuck", I mean that vt0 is solid blue, with a white cursor in the lower left corner. No text on the screen. I can switch to the debug VT though. 2. non-anon ftp uses a relative path, and I was trying to use an absolute path. If I add an extra '/' the absolute path works. Perhaps that's the way ftp URLs are supposed to work, and I suppose this is probably how it should be. 3. The ftp fails with "/stand/cpio: invalid header: checksum errors". This happened with bin at about bin.ac, and manpages at about manpages.af. I checked the files on the ftp server (cat bin.?? | gunzip | tar vt), and they are not corrupted. At that point, I gave up on ftp, and used NFS instead (which worked better). It wouldn't be failing to set binary mode when doing the ftp would it? 4. With the NFS install, it extracted bin, manpages, dict, compat1x, compat20, then said "Couldn't extract all of the dists. Residue: 80". There was nothing on the debug screen to indicate what the problem was. In addition to those dists, I'd asked for the "info" dist (I did a custom selection). I went back to the Distributions/Custom menu, and noticed that "Info" was still marked. Trying again failed in the same way. 5. It'd be nice if the ntpdate server selection would allow you to specify something other than those on the list. I can't access any of them on my isolated little network, but I like to keep all my machines in sync. 6. A very minor thing: Looking at the timezone selector for Australia, the number for the last entry (10) has the '1' in red and the '0' in yellow. 7. When rebooting it complained about not being able to unmount /nfs because it was busy. 8. The "configure additional interfaces" lets you configure the same interface more than once. 9. I specified that a DOS partition should be mounted on /dos, but the mount point wasn't created -- this meant that the first boot failed to go multi-user. 10. Entries for the configured hostname(s) didn't get added to /etc/hosts, so there were some complaints at boot from route and sendmail. Other than that, it all went smoothly :-). David From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 10:00:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA03512 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:00:44 -0700 Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com [16.1.0.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA03506 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:00:42 -0700 Received: from muggsy.lkg.dec.com by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA20924; Sat, 3 Jun 95 09:43:28 -0700 Received: from whydos.lkg.dec.com by muggsy.lkg.dec.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) with SMTP id AA18717; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:43:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whydos.lkg.dec.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA12536; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:45:08 GMT Message-Id: <199506031245.MAA12536@whydos.lkg.dec.com> X-Authentication-Warning: whydos.lkg.dec.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone interested in a STREAMS port? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 1995 09:13:30 MST." <199506031613.JAA13132@ref.tfs.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5omega 10/6/94 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 12:45:08 +0000 From: Matt Thomas Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi crowd, > > > > is there anyone interested in a STREAMS port? Matthias Urlichs > > I think streams are a great invention for tty devices, but I'm not > at all sure for networks. I can think of lots of things. The first is that it makes doing a TLI/XTI compatible library alot simpler. Digital UNIX (aka DEC OSF/1) has a streams interface to both the datalink (DLPI) and various transport (TCP, UDP). On top of the TCP interface (using XTI in user mode) I have a XTI/streams based rlogind/telnetd daemon which takes incoming connections, forks to handle the incoming connection, performs the initial protocol work, and then pushes on either a rlogind or telnetd streams module, and execs login right over itself. This module converts talks TPI to TCP on the bottom and talks to ldterm (the streams terminal line discipline module) on the top. Hence the network connection is now a terminal. Even better there are no context switches when doing I/O, no extra processes, less CPU utilization, ... Maybe one of these days Digital UNIX will pick it up. Naaa. STREAMS, while not perfect by any means, is useful and would be healty addition for FreeBSD (or NetBSD). It would make an SVR4 compatible environment that much closer to reality. Matt Thomas Internet: matt@lkg.dec.com U*X Networking WWW URL: http://ftp.dec.com/%7Ethomas/ Digital Equipment Corporation Disclaimer: This message reflects my Littleton, MA own warped views, etc. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 10:02:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA03737 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:02:04 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA03724 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:02:02 -0700 Message-Id: <199506031702.KAA03724@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS load of 2.0.5A In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 95 12:55:13 EDT." <199506031655.MAA03710@mail.htp.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 10:02:02 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >We have a local server which we are storing the dist files...should all of >the files be in the same directory? Or should they be in bin, src, etc..... > bin, src, etc. > >thanks, > >dennis > -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 10:04:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA04103 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:04:50 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA04097 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:04:48 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id KAA13340; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:03:32 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506031703.KAA13340@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Anyone interested in a STREAMS port? To: matt@lkg.dec.com (Matt Thomas) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506031245.MAA12536@whydos.lkg.dec.com> from "Matt Thomas" at Jun 3, 95 12:45:08 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1040 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > On top of the TCP interface (using XTI in user mode) I have a > XTI/streams based rlogind/telnetd daemon which takes incoming > connections, forks to handle the incoming connection, performs > the initial protocol work, and then pushes on either a rlogind or > telnetd streams module, and execs login right over itself. > > This module converts talks TPI to TCP on the bottom and talks to > ldterm (the streams terminal line discipline module) on the top. > Hence the network connection is now a terminal. Even better there > are no context switches when doing I/O, no extra processes, less CPU > utilization, ... As I said: good for terminal work, as it is primarily suited for character based stuff. I'm all for the stuff you did. I just don't want anybody to even think about the tcp/ip becoming streams based... Streams aware maybe, but not -based. -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 10:11:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA04654 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:11:03 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA04641 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:10:52 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA15401; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:10:08 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506031710.KAA15401@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: hang problems To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506031237.OAA18266@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 3, 95 02:37:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1690 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > As Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > [reboot hangs] > > > > Rod, ain't this your baby? > > > > Nope, my baby is very solid. It is either a ``well reboot'' or > > ``won't reboot'', it is never a ``Every once in a while'' type > > of problem. > > Aye, i see. > > Where does my problem belong to? Box is an EISA, some SiS chipset, > ELSA Winner 1000 grfx (S3 86C928). Reboots normally work, but under > some particular circumstances (e.g. if i call ``cpu_reset'' from DDB, > after a panic or somesuch), it attempts to reboot, and finally just > sits there and beeps. The beep code indicates that it didn't find its > video adaptor. I have to hit reset then. > > This is (i think) still with a kernel that only uses the ``CPU shut > down'' method. > > Hmmm... just looked up the kernel source. The CPU reset code is > already in there, so now i'm not sure if the symptom still happens > now. I'll watch out for it. If you do still see the problem and did not have to use option ---------------------------- revision 1.38 date: 1995/05/18 09:17:07; author: davidg; state: Exp; lines: +4 -1 Added "BROKEN_KEYBOARD_RESET" option to disable using the keyboard reset in cpu_reset(). Some MBs don't deal with this properly. Submitted by: Rod Grimes ---------------------------- to make your system reboot then more than likely you have one of the BIOS bugs that does not fully reinitialize things. If that is the case you need to take it up with your MB manufacture and/or the BIOS company about this bug in there BIOS. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 10:21:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA05643 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:21:49 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temp@temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA05627 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:21:44 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA17674; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:20:45 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:20:45 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Re: My experience with the latest 2.0.5-ALPHA boot/install To: David Dawes cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506031458.AA21539@physics.su.oz.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 Jun 1995, David Dawes wrote: > This is with the boot image dated 3 June 12:06 GMT. > > Problems/observations: > > 3. The ftp fails with "/stand/cpio: invalid header: checksum errors". > This happened with bin at about bin.ac, and manpages at about > manpages.af. I checked the files on the ftp server > (cat bin.?? | gunzip | tar vt), and they are not corrupted. > At that point, I gave up on ftp, and used NFS instead (which worked > better). It wouldn't be failing to set binary mode when doing the ftp > would it? Only have this problem with last file in bin, and someone noted that it's looking for 59 instead of the 60 (easy for jordan to fix ) > > 4. With the NFS install, it extracted bin, manpages, dict, compat1x, > compat20, then said "Couldn't extract all of the dists. Residue: 80". > There was nothing on the debug screen to indicate what the problem was. > In addition to those dists, I'd asked for the "info" dist (I did a > custom selection). I went back to the Distributions/Custom menu, > and noticed that "Info" was still marked. Trying again failed in the > same way. Hmm, same problem I have, also Xfree if you marked that as well, but Jordan also knows about that too. > > 7. When rebooting it complained about not being able to unmount /nfs > because it was busy. Yep same thing. > 8. The "configure additional interfaces" lets you configure the same your right, I did to it twice, and what it ended up doing was adding everything twice to sysconfig. > 9. I specified that a DOS partition should be mounted on /dos, but > the mount point wasn't created -- this meant that the first boot > failed to go multi-user. this one has been fix for me. > > 10. Entries for the configured hostname(s) didn't get added to /etc/hosts, > so there were some complaints at boot from route and sendmail. when you do a dos part. You then have to go Config and setup you network card, when doing NFS or FTP it sets it up for you. I forgot about that the first time I tried the Dos part, nothing reminds you about setting it up network access, This ain't DOS ;) > > > Other than that, it all went smoothly :-). > > David > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 11:26:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA09385 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 11:26:07 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA09376 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 11:26:05 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA23560; Sat, 3 Jun 95 20:25:56 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id UAA16609 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:38:37 +0200 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:38:37 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199506031838.UAA16609@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: aha0 and ncr0 (which one gets sd0?) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have an AH152CF as a second SCSI controller in my ASUS SP3G board. (I disabled the BIOS in the AH1542 so that ncr0 is booted from). The boot is read from ncr0 but during the autoconfigure phase sd0 is assigned to aha0 so that the system panics later when it wants to change root device to sd0a. How can I enforce that sd0 is assigned to ncr0 (scsibus0) ? --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950531 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0531 #0: Wed May 31 06:16:35 MET DST 1995 root@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 11:26:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA09430 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 11:26:55 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temp@temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA09424 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 11:26:52 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA17724; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:26:07 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:26:07 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Xfree To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506020220.WAA00928@telebase.com.> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Since the install doesn't work yet (for me anyway) How do I install Xfree manually? I've reinstalled FreeBSD maybe 40+ times this past week, and I finally have the system about where I want it, so I'd rather not delete everything again. Also like to say I have linux on many machines, including my thinkpad, this is the first time I've been able to run FreeBSD, and it's pretty good, tho I still like Linux's install and setup, and programs. FreeBSD has better Harddrive and Network support. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 11:36:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA10374 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 11:36:30 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA10367 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 11:36:28 -0700 Message-Id: <199506031836.LAA10367@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Christoph P. Kukulies" cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: aha0 and ncr0 (which one gets sd0?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 95 20:38:37 +0200." <199506031838.UAA16609@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 11:36:28 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I have an AH152CF as a second SCSI controller in my ASUS SP3G board. >(I disabled the BIOS in the AH1542 so that ncr0 is booted from). >The boot is read from ncr0 but during the autoconfigure phase >sd0 is assigned to aha0 so that the system panics later when it >wants to change root device to sd0a. > >How can I enforce that sd0 is assigned to ncr0 (scsibus0) ? Read the scsi.4 man page or the LINT configuration file on how to lock down devices to particular controllers and buses. >--Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de -- Justin T. Gibbs From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 11:43:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA11073 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 11:43:22 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA11063 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 11:43:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199506031843.LAA11063@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Temptation cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xfree In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 95 14:26:07 EDT." Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 11:43:19 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >Since the install doesn't work yet (for me anyway) > >How do I install Xfree manually? I've reinstalled FreeBSD maybe 40+ >times this past week, and I finally have the system about where I want >it, so I'd rather not delete everything again. Sysinstall was designed to be re-entrant, so you should be able to go to custom install and pick the xfree dist all by itself and have it do the rest. If this doesn't work, just do something like this from the machine (I'm assuming its not the target machine) where the distribution files are sitting: cat * | rsh freebsd_host "cd /; tar xvfz -" You'll have to setup the .rhost file correctly of course, but it should work. >Also like to say I have >linux on many machines, including my thinkpad, this is the first time >I've been able to run FreeBSD, and it's pretty good, tho I still like >Linux's install and setup, and programs. FreeBSD has better Harddrive and >Network support. What programs or functionality do you miss in FreeBSD that you have in Linux? I know you've already said a lot in this area, but how would you improve the installation program? -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 11:45:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA11364 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 11:45:27 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com ([199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA11356 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 11:45:26 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA04478 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:44:07 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:44:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199506031844.OAA04478@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: Re: Anyone interested in a STREAMS port? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Someone wrote.. >> On top of the TCP interface (using XTI in user mode) I have a >> XTI/streams based rlogind/telnetd daemon which takes incoming >> connections, forks to handle the incoming connection, performs >> the initial protocol work, and then pushes on either a rlogind or >> telnetd streams module, and execs login right over itself. >> >> This module converts talks TPI to TCP on the bottom and talks to >> ldterm (the streams terminal line discipline module) on the top. >> Hence the network connection is now a terminal. Even better there >> are no context switches when doing I/O, no extra processes, less CPU >> utilization, ... > >Paol-Henning Kamp writes.. >As I said: good for terminal work, as it is primarily suited for >character based stuff. I'm all for the stuff you did. I just don't >want anybody to even think about the tcp/ip becoming streams based... >Streams aware maybe, but not -based. >-- This is not true at all, BSD is clearly designed for TCP/IP, and support for other protocols is basically patchwork. While running TCP/IP over STREAMS doesn't make any sense, STREAMS does provide a clean mechanism for passing event information and data to a user process that far exceeds the capabilities of BSD messaging. It is much more effiecient for high-speed (non-character oriented) applications (like HS serial drivers) than the mbuf/socket stuff in BSD. db From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 12:01:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA13163 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:01:37 -0700 Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (hasty@netcom14.netcom.com [192.100.81.126]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA13157 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:01:36 -0700 Received: by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA18760; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:00:35 -0700 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:00:35 -0700 From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) Message-Id: <199506031900.MAA18760@netcom14.netcom.com> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, temp@temptation.interlog.com Subject: Re: Xfree Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I haven't installed XFree86 in a while since I usually just build it nad then installed it. Look in the XFree86's tar files and see where the root of the path starts. Usually, XFree86's root path is : /usr/X11R6. Have fun, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 12:26:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA15731 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:26:28 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA15718 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:26:25 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA11755; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:26:22 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA24483 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:26:22 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA22728 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:45:50 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506031845.UAA22728@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Anyone interested in a STREAMS port? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:45:49 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506031703.KAA13340@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Jun 3, 95 10:03:32 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 645 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > As I said: good for terminal work, as it is primarily suited for > character based stuff. I'm all for the stuff you did. I just don't > want anybody to even think about the tcp/ip becoming streams based... > Streams aware maybe, but not -based. Neither did i imply this. Anyway, given that there's been shown some interest in STREAMS previously, it might be a good idea if someone with the sufficient time and knowledge could get in contact with Matthias Urlichs. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 12:29:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA16138 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:29:58 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA16132 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:29:57 -0700 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:28:58 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: "Rashid Karimov." cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, roberto@blaise.ibp.fr, FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Upgrading to 2.05A In-Reply-To: <199506031329.JAA06863@haven.ios.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 Jun 1995, Rashid Karimov. wrote: Hi there, > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > > > Vince said he was under -current, not 2.0R ! If you're -current, upgrading > > > > to 2.0.5A is a matter of recompilation or did I miss something ? > > > > > > > So does this mean that I need to do a full reinstall? Also, > > since i don't have a backup, I guess I'll make a tarball but does anyone > > know how to put the tar file on floppies and how to format floppies under > > FreeBSD? > > If you buy preformatted floppies , you shouldn't format them. > They are FreeBSD ready :) I know but my floppies are unformatted. :) > Anyways , can hardly imagine the procedure of backing the system > on floppies ... It's better to go and buy some 300-500 Mb IDE/SCSI > either for the backup or fresh install I know so what I'm thinking is backing up just /etc, /usr/X11R6 and /usr/local into a tar file and copy it to my other dos formatted hard drive but I don't know the procedure of mounting a dos drive that is not the same physical drive as FreeBSD is on. Maybe someone can help me on this one? Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 12:45:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA17611 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:45:31 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temp@temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA17600 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:45:27 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA17809; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:44:45 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:44:44 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Re: Xfree To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506031843.LAA11063@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Yes I tried that. No go. when I just mark Xfree in the custom install keeps telling that I never did. so I try the Xfree user. it then tells me that it can't mount /dos, that it is already, and when I umount it still gives me error. > Sysinstall was designed to be re-entrant, so you should be able to go to > custom install and pick the xfree dist all by itself and have it do the > rest. If this doesn't work, just do something like this from the machine > (I'm assuming its not the target machine) where the distribution files are > sitting: > > cat * | rsh freebsd_host "cd /; tar xvfz -" > > You'll have to setup the .rhost file correctly of course, but it should > work. whats a .rhost file? and am I suppose to type that on the machine that storing the files, or the FreeBSD machine? > > What programs or functionality do you miss in FreeBSD that you have in > Linux? > > I know you've already said a lot in this area, but how would you > improve the installation program? I'll answer these two questions later :) want to think about it. I know one thing, pressing the arrows keys in Linux shell gives me the old comands that I typed, FreeBSD gives me ^[ things, I had this problem with BSDI 1.1, had to keep setting stty erase etc...., but 2.0 fixed that problem. > -- > Justin T. Gibbs > ============================================== > TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 > Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus > ============================================== > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 12:49:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA18144 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:49:47 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA18135 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:49:45 -0700 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.3) id PAA05293; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:49:18 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199506031949.PAA05293@hda.com> Subject: Re: NCR53c400 Magoptic Problem To: sjs1@primenet.com (Scott Story) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506031858.LAA00453@mailhost.primenet.com> from "Scott Story" at Jun 3, 95 11:58:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1280 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Scott Story writes: > > Any help or a refferal would be apprieciated. > I am trying to install freeBSD 2.0 on to a SCSI 1 Sony MagOptic drive. > (486,33 one SCSI device) > These are the messages I am getting. > Durring kernel boot: > nca1: NCR-53C400 > nca1: wating for SCSI devices to settle > nca1: "Sony SMO-C501-00 2.22" is a type 0 removeable SCSI 1 > sd0 (nca1) Direct Access > sd0 (nca1) Illegal Request ASC:24,0 invalid field in CDB > sdo could not mode sense (4), Using Fictitious Geometry, 281 (576999, 512 > byte sectors) Does this happen even if you have the formatted media installed? There is 512 or 1024 byte sector media for the SMO501. > During sysinstall > > Select Complete install > > nca1/0/0/sd0/timed out > Fatal Trap 12: page fault in kernel mode > Fault Address=0x8 > Fault Code=supervisor read, page np > install pointer=0x8:0xf0172c1b > code sequence= base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type ox1b=DPL 0,pres 1, def 32, gran 1 > Processor eflags=interupt enabled, resume,10 PL=0 > Current Process= 1 (sysinstall) > int. mask= bio > panic=page fault Oops. Do you have a stack back trace? -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 12:54:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA18584 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:54:14 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA18575 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:54:11 -0700 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.3) id PAA05572; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:53:44 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199506031953.PAA05572@hda.com> Subject: Re: aha0 and ncr0 (which one gets sd0?) To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph P. Kukulies) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506031838.UAA16609@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph P. Kukulies" at Jun 3, 95 08:38:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 648 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Christoph P. Kukulies writes: > > I have an AH152CF as a second SCSI controller in my ASUS SP3G board. > (I disabled the BIOS in the AH1542 so that ncr0 is booted from). > The boot is read from ncr0 but during the autoconfigure phase > sd0 is assigned to aha0 so that the system panics later when it > wants to change root device to sd0a. > > How can I enforce that sd0 is assigned to ncr0 (scsibus0) ? Something like: controller scbus0 at ncr0 disk sd0 at scbus0 target 0 -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 12:57:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA18999 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:57:53 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA18989 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:57:51 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA16119; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:57:26 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506031957.MAA16119@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Upgrading to 2.05A To: vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu (-Vince-) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.Org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: from "-Vince-" at Jun 3, 95 03:28:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1233 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk > > On Sat, 3 Jun 1995, Rashid Karimov. wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > > > > > Vince said he was under -current, not 2.0R ! If you're -current, upgrading > > > > > to 2.0.5A is a matter of recompilation or did I miss something ? > > > > > > > > > > So does this mean that I need to do a full reinstall? Also, > > > since i don't have a backup, I guess I'll make a tarball but does anyone > > > know how to put the tar file on floppies and how to format floppies under > > > FreeBSD? > > > > If you buy preformatted floppies , you shouldn't format them. > > They are FreeBSD ready :) Just noticed this piece of the thread and though I would through in the fact that ``preformatted'' does not mean defect free. Infact often preformatted DOS floppies full of defects since DOS format cleans them up for the mfg. By all means, preformatted floppies are NOT FreeBSD ready!!!! One of the common failure modes of installation we have has been tracked down to bad floppy disk god only knows how many times!!! -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 13:01:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA19435 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:01:29 -0700 Received: from dellgate.us.dell.com (dellgate.us.dell.com [143.166.224.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA19419 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:01:21 -0700 Received: by dellgate.us.dell.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sHzNK-000D66C; Sat, 3 Jun 95 15:00 CDT Message-Id: To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: NCR810 problem? Date: Sat, 03 Jun 95 15:00:50 CDT From: mdomsch@dellgate.us.dell.com (Matt Domsch) Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I tried installing 2.0.5-ALPHA today when I got the following error on boot from the install program: assertion "cp == np->header.cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5235 assertion "cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5236 ncr0 targ0?: ERROR (80:100) (e-ab-2) (8/13) @ (10d4:e000000). reg: da 10 0 13 47 8 0 1f 0 e 80 ab 80 0 3 0. ncr0: restart (fatal error). ncr0: reset by timeout. sd0: error reading primary partition table from fsbn 0 (sd0 bn 0; cn 0 tn 0 sn 0) The install then will not continue. The disk in question is a DEC DPS3107L (1020MB). I low-level formatted it prior to the install. When this error started, I put a 100MB DOS partition on the disk which works just fine. Any help you can give would be appreciated. Thanks, Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Domsch Dell Computer Corporation Associate Software Engineer Dell Product Group Subsystems Engineering Server Group 2214 W. Braker Lane luigi@mit.edu Austin, TX 78758 mdomsch@dellgate.us.dell.com (512) 728-0305 work http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/luigi/home.html (512) 728-8349 FAX ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 13:12:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA20722 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:12:32 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA20706 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:12:26 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA16368; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:12:06 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506032012.NAA16368@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: NCR810 problem? To: mdomsch@dellgate.us.dell.com (Matt Domsch) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Matt Domsch" at Jun 3, 95 03:00:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1374 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I tried installing 2.0.5-ALPHA today when I got the following error > on boot from the install program: > > assertion "cp == np->header.cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5235 > assertion "cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5236 > ncr0 targ0?: ERROR (80:100) (e-ab-2) (8/13) @ (10d4:e000000). > reg: da 10 0 13 47 8 0 1f 0 e 80 ab 80 0 3 0. > ncr0: restart (fatal error). > ncr0: reset by timeout. > sd0: error reading primary partition table from fsbn 0 (sd0 bn 0; cn 0 > tn 0 sn 0) > > > The install then will not continue. The disk in question is a > DEC DPS3107L (1020MB). I low-level formatted it prior to the install. > When this error started, I put a 100MB DOS partition on the disk which > works just fine. Humm.. I've been runing a pile of DEC DPS3053L drives (sell about 3 to 5 of them a week) and have never seen this on a NCR using those drives. These are the same series drives as the ones you are using. Have you ever installed FreeBSD on this before and this is a new bug, or have you been having this problem in the past? Are you using the active termination of the DSP3107L and have you tripple checked all your devices to make sure termination is correct? > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 13:15:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA21163 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:15:18 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA21146 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:15:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199506032015.NAA21146@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Temptation cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xfree In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 95 15:44:44 EDT." Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 13:15:13 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > >Yes I tried that. No go. when I just mark Xfree in the custom >install keeps telling that I never did. so I try the Xfree user. it then >tells me that it can't mount /dos, that it is already, and when I umount >it still gives me error. > I guess this is another bug on Jordans list. :) >> cat * | rsh freebsd_host "cd /; tar xvfz -" >> >> You'll have to setup the .rhost file correctly of course, but it should >> work. >whats a .rhost file? and am I suppose to type that on the machine that >storing the files, or the FreeBSD machine? .rhosts files allow remote users login without giving a password. I just found out that we don't have a man page describing the format, but it is fairly simple: Fully.qualified.hostname username So if you wanted me to be able to login to your account, you would create a $HOME/.rhosts file with the single line: freefall.cdrom.com gibbs In general, .rhosts are very insecure things, and you should use some other authentification scheme like kerberos, but this will allow you to invoke commands remotely like the rsh (remote shell) command I gave above. The whole command line should be run from the machine where the distribution files are. >> What programs or functionality do you miss in FreeBSD that you have in >> Linux? >> >> I know you've already said a lot in this area, but how would you >> improve the installation program? >I'll answer these two questions later :) want to think about it. >I know one thing, pressing the arrows keys in Linux shell gives me the >old comands that I typed, FreeBSD gives me ^[ things, I had this problem >with BSDI 1.1, had to keep setting stty erase etc...., but 2.0 fixed that >problem. This is under bash correct? Are you logging in with the "cons25" terminal type on the console? It should work. It does for me under tcsh and bash. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 13:23:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA21881 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:23:51 -0700 Received: from feephi.phofarm.com (feephi.phofarm.com [204.242.60.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA21871 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:23:45 -0700 Received: (from dzerkel@localhost) by feephi.phofarm.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA00342 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:23:12 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:23:12 -0400 From: "Danny J. Zerkel" Message-Id: <199506032023.QAA00342@feephi.phofarm.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 2.0.5 Alpha Install Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Well, that was painful enough... I tested the tape install. While reading the tape, the screen says: "Extracting root floppy..." I had a lot of trouble with the boot floppy either panicing or failing to uncompress the kernel. The panic looked like this: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x1a5 fault code = supervisor write, page not present instruction register = 0x8:0xf01a7510 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL=0 current process = 0() interrupt mask = net tty bio panic: page fault This would occur just after fdc1 was probed, and right before wdc0. (Which I have). I had problems with bin, sgnu, sgames and srelease not extracting correctly. This was all with this morning's boot floppy. (3 June 95) It also didn't create the DOS partition mount directory. After many tries at it, including disabling any device in the generic kernel that I don't have, I finally got it to load. Thus, I can send email again. Hope this helps, Danny J. Zerkel Photon Farmers "Cultivating Your Digital Image" From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 13:25:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA22093 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:25:18 -0700 Received: from w8hd.w8hd.org (w8hd.w8hd.org [198.252.159.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA22080 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:25:15 -0700 Received: (from kimc@localhost) by w8hd.w8hd.org (8.6.12/w8hd) id QAA22008; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:25:13 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:25:10 -0400 (EDT) From: kim culhan To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail 8.6.12 on -current In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Earlier today I posted re. sendmail 8.6.12 on -current and these complaints from conf.c: > conf.c: In function `setupmaps': > conf.c:353: warning: prototype for `host_map_init' follows > conf.c:253: warning: non-prototype definition here > conf.c: In function `setproctitle': > conf.c:1077: `NKPDE' undeclared (first use this function) > conf.c:1077: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > conf.c:1077: for each function it appears in.) > conf.c:1077: `pt_entry_t' undeclared (first use this function) > *** Error code 1 Later today I tried sup on freefall again and freefall sup'd what appears to be the 8.6.11 version of sendmail which contains a different conf.c The question: Is this patched conf.c compatible with the latest sendmail version on ftp.cs.berkeley.edu? regards kim -- kimc@w8hd.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 13:32:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA22954 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:32:58 -0700 Received: from star-gate.com (bettina.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA22942 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:32:55 -0700 Received: (from hasty@localhost) by star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA00621 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:21:12 -0700 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:21:12 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Message-Id: <199506032021.NAA00621@star-gate.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Doom and Linux Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Any quick info on how to get Doom running in FreeBSD-2.05 or -current? Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 13:46:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA24586 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:46:16 -0700 Received: from ns.dknet.dk (root@ns.dknet.dk [193.88.44.42]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA24569 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:46:10 -0700 Received: from login.dknet.dk by ns.dknet.dk with SMTP id AA22796 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j for ); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 22:46:06 +0200 Received: by login.dknet.dk (4.1/SMI-4.1DKnet00) id AA29345; Sat, 3 Jun 95 22:45:48 +0200 Message-Id: <9506032045.AA29345@login.dknet.dk> Subject: Re: Doom and Linux To: hasty@star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 95 22:45:47 MET DST Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506032021.NAA00621@star-gate.com>; from "Amancio Hasty" at Jun 3, 95 1:21 pm From: sos@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: sos@FreeBSD.org X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Amancio Hasty who wrote: > > > Any quick info on how to get Doom running in FreeBSD-2.05 or -current? Look at: login.dknet.dk:pub/sos/* There is the nessesary lkm & libs, you just need the linux doom distribution (from wcarchive.cdrom.com)... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org | sos@login.dknet.dk) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 13:49:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA25080 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:49:26 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temp@temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA25061 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:49:18 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA17891; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:48:26 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:48:26 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Re: Xfree To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506032015.NAA21146@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > >Yes I tried that. No go. when I just mark Xfree in the custom > >install keeps telling that I never did. so I try the Xfree user. it then > >tells me that it can't mount /dos, that it is already, and when I umount > >it still gives me error. > > > > I guess this is another bug on Jordans list. :) What I would suggest here would be under the packages install, would to put an install for Xfree/Bin/etc... one that doesn't try to setup Part./Dos/Network etc, becuase you already have done that, you just want install something maybe you didn't the first time. The way it is now, it wants to you goto the parts menu, then set up the labels, Dist, media, etc..( by the way if you FreeBSD install already, and try to run sysinstall, and goto labels, it doesn't read the labels that are assigned already) > I'll that :) > > This is under bash correct? Are you logging in with the "cons25" terminal > type on the console? It should work. It does for me under tcsh and bash. No I haven't gotten bash up and running yet, it under that cons25 terminal > > -- > Justin T. Gibbs > ============================================== > TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 > Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus > ============================================== > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 14:13:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA27839 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:13:18 -0700 Received: from dellgate.us.dell.com (dellgate.us.dell.com [143.166.224.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA27829 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:13:16 -0700 Received: by dellgate.us.dell.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sI0Uw-000D65C; Sat, 3 Jun 95 16:12 CDT Message-Id: To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: mdomsch@dellgate.us.dell.com (Matt Domsch) cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re:NCR810 problem? In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 95 16:12:45 CDT From: mdomsch@dellgate.us.dell.com (Matt Domsch) Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > I tried installing 2.0.5-ALPHA today when I got the following error > > on boot from the install program: > > > > assertion "cp == np->header.cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5235 > > assertion "cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5236 > > ncr0 targ0?: ERROR (80:100) (e-ab-2) (8/13) @ (10d4:e000000). > > reg: da 10 0 13 47 8 0 1f 0 e 80 ab 80 0 3 0. > > ncr0: restart (fatal error). > > ncr0: reset by timeout. > > sd0: error reading primary partition table from fsbn 0 (sd0 bn 0; cn 0 > > tn 0 sn 0) > > > > > > The install then will not continue. The disk in question is a > > DEC DPS3107L (1020MB). I low-level formatted it prior to the install. > > When this error started, I put a 100MB DOS partition on the disk which > > works just fine. > > "Rodney W. Grimes" writes: > Humm.. I've been runing a pile of DEC DPS3053L drives (sell about 3 to 5 > of them a week) and have never seen this on a NCR using those drives. > > These are the same series drives as the ones you are using. Have > you ever installed FreeBSD on this before and this is a new bug, or > have you been having this problem in the past? > > Are you using the active termination of the DSP3107L and have you > tripple checked all your devices to make sure termination is correct? > I have not tried to install FreeBSD before on these drives or this particular kind of system, though Solaris 2.4 X86 works fine on it with an identical hard disk. Just to be safe, I tried a different DEC drive, and got the same results. I even went back to the 2.0R and tried to install that, but often got SCSI resets on the disk which took several seconds (like 15) every couple minutes, so I gave up on that also. Yes, the disk is properly ID'd and terminated and the NCR BIOS sees it and spins it up at system boot time. There are also 2 other devices on the SCSI bus, a NEC CD-ROM, and a DAT tape drive, and they are properly terminated and ID'd as well. Thanks, Matt From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 14:16:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA28307 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:16:02 -0700 Received: from ansley.com (ansley.atlanta.com [155.229.16.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA28285 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:15:56 -0700 Received: (from gja@localhost) by ansley.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA12834 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:15:53 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:15:53 -0400 From: Greg Ansley Message-Id: <199506032115.RAA12834@ansley.com> To: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Using FreeBSD as fileserver for diskless Sun3?? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to configure a couple of old Sun3s (a 3/60 and a 3/80) for use as Xterminals booting diskless from my primary FreeBSD file server. I've gotten to the point where the kernel has been successfully loaded and the sun is trying to mount it's swapspace from the server. At this point a get the message: mount swapfile server:/export/swap/Xkernel failed, rpc status 2 Now, before I pull out my hair and reverse engineer all of NFS I was wondering if somebody has already done this and can give me some pointers. At first glance it appears that mountd on FreeBSD is unhappy that the sun is trying to mount something that is not a directory. System info: Sun 3/60, 8Mb diskless config'ed with minimal kernel. FreeBSD is a 16Mb 66Mhz 486 running 2.0-950412-SNAP. Thanks for any help... Greg Ansley Ansley & Associates, Inc. Atlanta, GA From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 14:28:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA29610 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:28:59 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA29598 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:28:54 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA17262; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:28:34 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506032128.OAA17262@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: NCR810 problem? To: mdomsch@dellgate.us.dell.com (Matt Domsch) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Cc: mdomsch@dellgate.us.dell.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Matt Domsch" at Jun 3, 95 04:12:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2378 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > > > I tried installing 2.0.5-ALPHA today when I got the following error > > > on boot from the install program: > > > > > > assertion "cp == np->header.cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5235 > > > assertion "cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5236 > > > ncr0 targ0?: ERROR (80:100) (e-ab-2) (8/13) @ (10d4:e000000). > > > reg: da 10 0 13 47 8 0 1f 0 e 80 ab 80 0 3 0. > > > ncr0: restart (fatal error). > > > ncr0: reset by timeout. > > > sd0: error reading primary partition table from fsbn 0 (sd0 bn 0; cn 0 > > > tn 0 sn 0) > > > > > > > > > The install then will not continue. The disk in question is a > > > DEC DPS3107L (1020MB). I low-level formatted it prior to the install. > > > When this error started, I put a 100MB DOS partition on the disk which > > > works just fine. > > > > > "Rodney W. Grimes" writes: > > Humm.. I've been runing a pile of DEC DPS3053L drives (sell about 3 to 5 > > of them a week) and have never seen this on a NCR using those drives. > > > > These are the same series drives as the ones you are using. Have > > you ever installed FreeBSD on this before and this is a new bug, or > > have you been having this problem in the past? > > > > Are you using the active termination of the DSP3107L and have you > > tripple checked all your devices to make sure termination is correct? > > > > I have not tried to install FreeBSD before on these drives or this > particular kind of system, though Solaris 2.4 X86 works fine on it > with an identical hard disk. Just to be safe, I tried a different DEC > drive, and got the same results. I even went back to the 2.0R and > tried to install that, but often got SCSI resets on the disk which > took several seconds (like 15) every couple minutes, so I gave up on > that also. Yes, the disk is properly ID'd and terminated and the NCR > BIOS sees it and spins it up at system boot time. There are also 2 > other devices on the SCSI bus, a NEC CD-ROM, and a DAT tape drive, and > they are properly terminated and ID'd as well. Pull the NEC and the DAT drive, there is a problem that will cause the failure you are seing, but it should have happened only on the ID of the NEC or DAT drive. > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 14:36:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA00503 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:36:03 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA00491 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:36:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199506032136.OAA00491@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Temptation cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xfree In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 95 16:48:26 EDT." Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 14:35:59 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> This is under bash correct? Are you logging in with the "cons25" terminal >> type on the console? It should work. It does for me under tcsh and bash. > >No I haven't gotten bash up and running yet, it under that cons25 terminal Ahh. Csh is the default shell and it does not support up-arrow history list access. You'll need to use a shell that does, like tcsh, or bash. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 14:36:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA00734 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:36:55 -0700 Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.57]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA00725 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:36:54 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id OAA00551 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:36:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Temptation cc: David Dawes , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My experience with the latest 2.0.5-ALPHA boot/install In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 1995 13:20:45 EDT." Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 14:36:42 -0700 Message-ID: <550.802215402@westhill.cdrom.com> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message , Tempt ation writes: >Only have this problem with last file in bin, and someone noted that it's >looking for 59 instead of the 60 (easy for jordan to fix ) The problem is Jordan taking short cuts - only replacing [br]oot.flp in the ftp archive, when the bin/bin.* dist size (or any dist size for that matter) can change on the compile server due to code changes, and this change gets echoed into special machine readable ``info'' files in the root.flp image. Hence it tries to get the wrong number of bits. This is not generally a problem, assuming you get the root.flp from the same place you got the rest of the dists - and don't grab one of Jordan's updates by mistake. Generally, the auto-install methods should always work, as they are grabbing the root.flp from the same place as the main dists, but for manual installs, it can fall over as seen above. >Hmm, same problem I have, also Xfree if you marked that as well, but >Jordan also knows about that too. Strange. Not seen this (the info one that is). XFree86 is a known problem and is now fixed, although due to a freefall crash, it may not have been commited yet. >> 10. Entries for the configured hostname(s) didn't get added to /etc/hosts, >> so there were some complaints at boot from route and sendmail. >when you do a dos part. You then have to go Config and setup you network >card, when doing NFS or FTP it sets it up for you. I forgot about that >the first time I tried the Dos part, nothing reminds you about setting it >up network access, This ain't DOS ;) The /etc/hosts problem should now be fixed (AFAIK), and I'll prod Jordan to remind people to configure something, although in theory it should be possible to cleanly bring FreeBSD up from the install system without ANY TCP/IP interfaces configured... Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 14:38:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA00980 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:38:05 -0700 Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.57]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA00972 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:38:03 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id OAA00561 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:37:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS load of 2.0.5A In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 1995 12:55:13 EDT." <199506031655.MAA03710@mail.htp.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 14:37:51 -0700 Message-ID: <560.802215471@westhill.cdrom.com> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199506031655.MAA03710@mail.htp.com>, dennis writes: >We have a local server which we are storing the dist files...should all of >the files be in the same directory? Or should they be in bin, src, etc..... Store the files as they are on our ftp server, or do the install manually :-) The code has too many assumptions about locations, and if it can't set PWD to the right directory, it will fail. Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 15:17:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA05680 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:17:56 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA05668 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:17:55 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA05413; Sat, 3 Jun 95 16:10:52 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506032210.AA05413@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Xfree To: temp@temptation.interlog.com (Temptation) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 95 16:10:52 MDT Cc: gibbs@freefall.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Temptation" at Jun 3, 95 03:44:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > cat * | rsh freebsd_host "cd /; tar xvfz -" > > > > You'll have to setup the .rhost file correctly of course, but it should > > work. > whats a .rhost file? and am I suppose to type that on the machine that > storing the files, or the FreeBSD machine? On "freebsd_host" or whatever other host you give as an argument to rsh. man rsh man rlogin man rexecd man rshd man rcmd Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 15:18:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA05711 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:18:23 -0700 Received: from devnull (devnull.mpd.tandem.com [131.124.4.29]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA05701 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:18:21 -0700 Received: from olympus by devnull (8.6.8/8.6.6) id RAA11723; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:18:08 -0500 Received: by olympus (4.1/TSS2.1) id AA03564; Sat, 3 Jun 95 17:18:17 CDT From: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner) Message-Id: <9506032218.AA03564@olympus> Subject: Re: Doom and Linux To: sos@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:18:16 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hasty@star-gate.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <9506032045.AA29345@login.dknet.dk> from "sos@FreeBSD.org" at Jun 3, 95 10:45:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1042 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > In reply to Amancio Hasty who wrote: > > > > > > Any quick info on how to get Doom running in FreeBSD-2.05 or -current? > > Look at: > login.dknet.dk:pub/sos/* > > There is the nessesary lkm & libs, you just need the linux doom > distribution (from wcarchive.cdrom.com)... > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org | sos@login.dknet.dk) FreeBSD Core Team > So much code to hack -- so little time > I have played this at 320x200 doublescan and it is nice! Lately, though, the game has played only in the left half of the screen. Any clue why? Has anyone tried the 3.0 sound server Amancio delivered with sndserver? Are the linux doom joystick programs compatible? Still, this is a great day for FreeBSD! :-) Boyd -- _______________________________________________________________________ Boyd Faulkner faulkner@isd.tandem.com _______________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 15:30:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA07275 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:30:48 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temp@temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA07255 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:30:42 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA18018; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 18:29:50 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 18:29:50 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Re: My experience with the latest 2.0.5-ALPHA boot/install To: Gary Palmer cc: David Dawes , hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <550.802215402@westhill.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > The problem is Jordan taking short cuts - only replacing [br]oot.flp > in the ftp archive, when the bin/bin.* dist size (or any dist size for > that matter) can change on the compile server due to code changes, and > this change gets echoed into special machine readable ``info'' files > in the root.flp image. Hence it tries to get the wrong number of bits. > Ok, how do I fix this without reinstalling it all? ( I never got the last bin file installed) > >Hmm, same problem I have, also Xfree if you marked that as well, but > >Jordan also knows about that too. Same thing, how do I install it with starting over. I have the newest disks from freefall, how do I get that new stuff in /stand dir.? > >when you do a dos part. You then have to go Config and setup you network > >card, when doing NFS or FTP it sets it up for you. I forgot about that > >the first time I tried the Dos part, nothing reminds you about setting it > >up network access, This ain't DOS ;) > > The /etc/hosts problem should now be fixed (AFAIK), and I'll prod > Jordan to remind people to configure something, although in theory it > should be possible to cleanly bring FreeBSD up from the install system > without ANY TCP/IP interfaces configured... Yes you are correct, with just dos part. install, FreeBSD should work, Untill you try to connect to your network, if you have one :) > > Gary > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 15:39:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA08377 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:39:37 -0700 Received: from star-gate.com (bettina.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA08371 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:39:36 -0700 Received: (from hasty@localhost) by star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA00775 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:27:51 -0700 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:27:51 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Message-Id: <199506032227.PAA00775@star-gate.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: :Re Doom and Linux Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have played this at 320x200 doublescan and it is nice! Lately, though, the game has played only in the left half of the screen. Any clue why? Has anyone tried the 3.0 sound server Amancio delivered with sndserver? Are the linux doom joystick programs compatible? Still, this is a great day for FreeBSD! :-) Boyd -- Oh, what a blast :) Anyone got a 320x200 mode for an S3 864 ? Maybe we could pester Interplay for a port of Descent !!! Lets see Descent + Virtual I-O glasses :) Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 15:45:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA09173 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:45:01 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA09158 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:44:59 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id AAA10229 ; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 00:44:56 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id AAA08361 ; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 00:44:55 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199506032244.AAA08361@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Doom and Linux To: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 00:44:55 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: sos@FreeBSD.org, hasty@star-gate.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <9506032218.AA03564@olympus> from "Boyd Faulkner" at Jun 3, 95 05:18:16 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD BUILT-19950501 ctm#617 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 425 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have played this at 320x200 doublescan and it is nice! Lately, though, the > game has played only in the left half of the screen. Any clue why? You have set the game in low detail graphics somehow. There is a function key which does that. Put in in High Graphics mode. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 15:49:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA09766 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:49:29 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA09758 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:49:27 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id AAA10245 ; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 00:49:25 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id AAA08397 ; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 00:49:25 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199506032249.AAA08397@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: :Re Doom and Linux To: hasty@star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 00:49:24 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506032227.PAA00775@star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Jun 3, 95 03:27:51 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD BUILT-19950501 ctm#617 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 460 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Anyone got a 320x200 mode for an S3 864 ? I'm interested too :-) > Maybe we could pester Interplay for a port of Descent !!! > Lets see Descent + Virtual I-O glasses :) Believe it or not, but a few Linux friends of mine are unable to run Descent under DOS but it works great under ... DOSEMU under Linux !!! -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 15:53:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA10247 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:53:37 -0700 Received: from star-gate.com (bettina.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA10241 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:53:35 -0700 Received: (from hasty@localhost) by star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA00985 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:41:51 -0700 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:41:51 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Message-Id: <199506032241.PAA00985@star-gate.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: netscape and current? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk netscape http://www.omt.com /usr/X11R6/bin/netscape: Exec format error. Wrong Architecture. So whats up? Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 16:24:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA12538 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:24:55 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA12529 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:24:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: netadm@server.cpr.tnet.it (Network Administrator) cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Digital HX 590 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 95 14:16:16 +0700." <9506031216.AA11955@server.cpr.tnet.it> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 16:24:53 -0700 Message-ID: <12526.802221893@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I would like to know if FreeBSD is able to run on a Digital HX 590 with one > or two Pentium processors. I see no reason why it wouldn't run with one, depending on the configuration of the machine. Multi-processor support is coming, but is still in early ALPHA test at best. Send mail to jackv@freebsd.org if you want to get involved in the testing process! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 16:27:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA12780 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:27:09 -0700 Received: from cssun.mathcs.emory.edu (cssun.mathcs.emory.edu [128.140.2.212]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA12774 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:27:08 -0700 Received: from emory.mathcs.emory.edu (emory.mathcs.emory.edu [128.140.2.1]) by cssun.mathcs.emory.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9-940818.01cssun) with SMTP id TAA20490 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:26:55 -0400 Received: from agate.Berkeley.EDU by emory.mathcs.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_mathcs.4.0.14) via SMTP id AA28990 ; Sat, 3 Jun 95 19:26:52 -0400 Received: from nak.berkeley.edu by agate.berkeley.edu (8.6.10/1.33) id QAA07861; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:26:50 -0700 Received: from freefall.cdrom.com by nak.berkeley.edu (8.6.10/1.40) id QAA17996; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:26:49 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA12746 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:26:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Cc: emory!freebsd.org!freebsd-hackers@emory.mathcs.emory.edu (FreeBSD Hackers) Subject: Re: alpha floppy request In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 95 11:17:58 EDT." Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 16:26:48 -0700 Message-Id: <12745.802222008@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > ack, I just fetched from ALPHA last night and this morning the > README has not changed but the *.flp seems to. Can they be > indexed/numbered/whatever someway so that when we know which > one we are using and Jordon knows which one we are commenting > on? Sorry, they're generally in-sync but last night I was just trying to get to bed and copied the latest floppies up before falling over.. :-) > Actually, I found this version of fdisk and disklabel more > confusing than the old ones. Maybe this is simply because > there is not yet a doc about it to read before using. This This would help, yes. I'm working on the docs today. > was especially problematic in that I do not know what the > various codes mean in disklabel. For instance, when I ask > it to mount an existing dos partition there is no feedback > about what the meaning of the label in the newfs collumn. > This is very unnerving to someone who does not have a working > tape drive right now. :-) I understand. I will work on that! > Just to throw a monkey into the works... I know everyone > wanted to cut a 2.0.5 cd last month ... but ... 3.1.2 is > due from XFree86 in a couple of weeks with lots of new > FreeBSD support expected therein, like *my* video card. :) Well, that can be for 2.1. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 16:27:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA12897 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:27:29 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA12890 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:27:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS load of 2.0.5A In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 95 12:55:13 EDT." <199506031655.MAA03710@mail.htp.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 16:27:28 -0700 Message-ID: <12889.802222048@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > We have a local server which we are storing the dist files...should all of > the files be in the same directory? Or should they be in bin, src, etc..... Keep the subdirectory organization, please. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 16:32:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA13167 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:32:11 -0700 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA13155 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:32:10 -0700 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:32:10 -0700 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199506032332.QAA13155@freefall.cdrom.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, hasty@star-gate.com Subject: Re: netscape and current? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You've bit the COMPAT_LINUX bug. Fortunately, a patch has already been posted to this list. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 16:36:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA13622 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:36:03 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA13611 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:36:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Temptation cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xfree In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 95 14:26:07 EDT." Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 16:36:02 -0700 Message-ID: <13609.802222562@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > How do I install Xfree manually? I've reinstalled FreeBSD maybe 40+ > times this past week, and I finally have the system about where I want For any piece of XFree86 you want: tar xvzf -C /usr No problem! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 16:37:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA13878 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:37:33 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA13871 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:37:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, temp@temptation.interlog.com Subject: Re: Xfree In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 95 12:00:35 PDT." <199506031900.MAA18760@netcom14.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 16:37:31 -0700 Message-ID: <13870.802222651@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > then installed it. Look in the XFree86's tar files and see where the > root of the path starts. Usually, XFree86's root path is : /usr/X11R6. The root is /usr for all the XFree86 distribution files. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 16:42:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA14532 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:42:29 -0700 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA14526 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:42:27 -0700 Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id SAA04934 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 18:41:55 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199506032341.SAA04934@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: 2.0.5A: :-( ? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 18:41:54 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk So I got brave and downloaded 2.0.5A, and installed it for my favorite diskless Pentium box here at work (guess that's not too brave as I kept the 2.0R installation around). It seems to be crashing under moderate load. No panic, just a reset. I am trying to compile up all my standard ports, doing them sorta interleaved in several different windows. Anybody else seeing spontaneous resets? ... JG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 17:08:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA18180 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:08:09 -0700 Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.57]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA18174 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:08:08 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA00275 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:08:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Amancio Hasty cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: netscape and current? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 1995 15:41:51 PDT." <199506032241.PAA00985@star-gate.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 17:08:02 -0700 Message-ID: <274.802224482@westhill.cdrom.com> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199506032241.PAA00985@star-gate.com>, Amancio Hasty writes: > > netscape http://www.omt.com >/usr/X11R6/bin/netscape: Exec format error. Wrong Architecture. > >So whats up? You've got the linux code emulator in your kernel. Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 17:10:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA18515 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:10:43 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA18508 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:10:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Amancio Hasty cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: netscape and current? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 95 15:41:51 PDT." <199506032241.PAA00985@star-gate.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 17:10:41 -0700 Message-ID: <18507.802224641@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > netscape http://www.omt.com > /usr/X11R6/bin/netscape: Exec format error. Wrong Architecture. > > So whats up? It's not -current; it's the patches you put into your own system to run DOOM! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 17:11:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA18662 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:11:41 -0700 Received: from devnull (devnull.mpd.tandem.com [131.124.4.29]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA18656 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:11:39 -0700 Received: from olympus by devnull (8.6.8/8.6.6) id TAA15549; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:11:28 -0500 Received: by olympus (4.1/TSS2.1) id AA03749; Sat, 3 Jun 95 19:11:36 CDT From: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner) Message-Id: <9506040011.AA03749@olympus> Subject: Re: netscape and current? To: hasty@star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:11:35 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506032241.PAA00985@star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Jun 3, 95 03:41:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 991 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > netscape http://www.omt.com > /usr/X11R6/bin/netscape: Exec format error. Wrong Architecture. > > So whats up? > > Tnks, > Amancio > You enabled LINUX_COMPAT didn't you. The current code in /sys/kern/imgact_aout.c breaks BSDI compatibility when LINUX_COMPAT is defined. if (((a_out->a_magic >> 16) & 0xff) != 0x86) in #ifdef COMPAT_LINUX /* * Linux and *BSD binaries look very much alike, * only the machine id is different: * 0x64 for Linux, 0x86 for *BSD. */ if (((a_out->a_magic >> 16) & 0xff) != 0x86) return -1; #endif /* COMPAT_LINUX */ becomes if (((a_out->a_magic >> 16) & 0xff) == 0x64) Boyd Have you tried the new sound stuff with it? -- _______________________________________________________________________ Boyd Faulkner faulkner@isd.tandem.com _______________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 17:12:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA18768 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:12:20 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA18761 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:12:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Joe Greco cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.0.5A: :-( ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 95 18:41:54 CDT." <199506032341.SAA04934@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 17:12:18 -0700 Message-ID: <18760.802224738@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk You may be suffering from the `truncated kernel' problem; I may just re-roll the ALPHA with new bindist files at this point1 Jordan > So I got brave and downloaded 2.0.5A, and installed it for my favorite > diskless Pentium box here at work (guess that's not too brave as I kept the > 2.0R installation around). > > It seems to be crashing under moderate load. No panic, just a reset. I am > trying to compile up all my standard ports, doing them sorta interleaved in > several different windows. > > Anybody else seeing spontaneous resets? > > ... JG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 17:17:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA19294 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:17:33 -0700 Received: from devnull (devnull.mpd.tandem.com [131.124.4.29]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA19283 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:17:31 -0700 Received: from olympus by devnull (8.6.8/8.6.6) id TAA15750; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:17:21 -0500 Received: by olympus (4.1/TSS2.1) id AA03767; Sat, 3 Jun 95 19:17:17 CDT From: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner) Message-Id: <9506040017.AA03767@olympus> Subject: Re: :Re Doom and Linux To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:17:16 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hasty@star-gate.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506032249.AAA08397@blaise.ibp.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Jun 4, 95 00:49:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 869 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Anyone got a 320x200 mode for an S3 864 ? > > I'm interested too :-) > > > Maybe we could pester Interplay for a port of Descent !!! > > Lets see Descent + Virtual I-O glasses :) > > Believe it or not, but a few Linux friends of mine are unable to run > Descent under DOS but it works great under ... DOSEMU under Linux !!! > -- > Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG > FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 > Courtesy of Rod. # 320x200 @ 70 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync, 8:5 aspect ratio Modeline "320x200" 12.588 320 336 384 400 200 204 205 225 Doublescan Boyd -- _______________________________________________________________________ Boyd Faulkner faulkner@isd.tandem.com _______________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 17:22:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA19755 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:22:16 -0700 Received: from devnull (devnull.mpd.tandem.com [131.124.4.29]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA19747 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:22:15 -0700 Received: from olympus by devnull (8.6.8/8.6.6) id TAA15818; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:21:58 -0500 Received: by olympus (4.1/TSS2.1) id AA03801; Sat, 3 Jun 95 19:22:06 CDT From: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner) Message-Id: <9506040022.AA03801@olympus> Subject: Re: netscape and current? To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:22:05 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hasty@star-gate.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <18507.802224641@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 3, 95 05:10:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 724 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > netscape http://www.omt.com > > /usr/X11R6/bin/netscape: Exec format error. Wrong Architecture. > > > > So whats up? > > It's not -current; it's the patches you put into your own system to > run DOOM! :-) > > Jordan > Not strictly true, I believe. The LINUX_COMPAT code in /sys/kern/imgact_aout.c is over selective. This is not part of the doom patch and it would be oh, so cool if it were fixed in the kernel source so that I didn't have to patch it on every kernel. Boyd -- _______________________________________________________________________ Boyd Faulkner faulkner@isd.tandem.com _______________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 17:31:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA20423 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:31:21 -0700 Received: from star-gate.com (bettina.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA20417 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:31:19 -0700 Received: (from hasty@localhost) by star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA01111 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:19:35 -0700 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:19:35 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Message-Id: <199506040019.RAA01111@star-gate.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: [repost] latest working sound v30 release Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, The latest WORKING sound driver v30 is at ftp.shell.best:/pub/hasty/sound.v30.2.tar.gz Perhaps someone can try it out with the xdoom and the sndserver to see if it works. Right now, I am working on mpeg stuff and also I am very overloaded with work. Today is my only hack day that I have available. Have Fun, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 17:36:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA20674 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:36:23 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com ([199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA20668 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:36:22 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA06888 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:35:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:35:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199506040035.UAA06888@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: Manual Load of 2.0.5A Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk How do I load additional sources once I've completed install. (If I try to run sysinstall it core dumps). For example I've loaded a minimum system and I want to add ssys.xx.. dennis From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 17:37:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA20811 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:37:30 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA20804 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:37:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Marc van Kempen cc: jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [2.0.5-ALPHA] Several slip install bugs In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 95 16:35:39 BST." <199506031535.QAA07826@nietzsche> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 17:37:29 -0700 Message-ID: <20803.802226249@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > When asked to edit the slattach line, the changes are not used, > at least not the speed. I had to kill the slattach and start a > new one at VTY-4. Sigh. An especially stupid bug - I wasn't copying the user input back over! Fixed, thanks. > After installation, (this is on a notebook, which only has sl0 > as a possible network device) the network interface is > erroneously set to "cuaa0" in /etc/sysconfig, instead of "sl0". This is fixed, albeit probably not the way you like.. :-) I ignore cua0* devices now since I have no way of knowing if the slip link is permanant and in the case if ppp I don't need to write anything out anyway! > If you want to carry this all the way to the end, one could > also put the 'slattach ...' line which was used during the > installation into /etc/start_if.sl0. Hmph.. I'd have to go re-engineer the above, but I'll think about it.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 17:54:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA21832 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:54:56 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA21825 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:54:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.0.5-ALPHA install buglet and [Q's] In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Jun 95 12:22:53 EDT." Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 17:54:55 -0700 Message-ID: <21824.802227295@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > running the install on a Dell XP4100C, but not installing (its not mine) > the to shell does not work. rather it escapes from the current > menu to the next one up in the hierarchy. Feature! > has smc9000 ethernet at irq 10 and port 300 in the docking station (ed > driver??) Geeze, I dunno! > smc 91c92 10 base-t > future domain 9c50 scsi-2 'compliant' Hmmm. Almost certainly not supported! :-( Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 18:38:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA03482 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 18:38:21 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA03471 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 18:38:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199506040138.SAA03471@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Amancio Hasty cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: netscape and current? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 95 15:41:51 PDT." <199506032241.PAA00985@star-gate.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 18:38:18 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > netscape http://www.omt.com >/usr/X11R6/bin/netscape: Exec format error. Wrong Architecture. > >So whats up? > > Tnks, > Amancio This is a problem with COMPAT_LINUX. This fixed it for me: Index: imgact_aout.c =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/sys/kern/imgact_aout.c,v retrieving revision 1.13 diff -c -r1.13 imgact_aout.c *** 1.13 1995/05/30 08:05:17 --- imgact_aout.c 1995/06/03 19:40:44 *************** *** 57,66 **** /* * Linux and *BSD binaries look very much alike, * only the machine id is different: ! * 0x64 for Linux, 0x86 for *BSD. */ ! if (((a_out->a_magic >> 16) & 0xff) != 0x86) ! return -1; #endif /* COMPAT_LINUX */ /* --- 57,67 ---- /* * Linux and *BSD binaries look very much alike, * only the machine id is different: ! * 0x64 for Linux, 0x86 for *BSD, 0x00 for BSDI. */ ! if (((a_out->a_magic >> 16) & 0xff) != 0x86 && ! ((a_out->a_magic >> 16) & 0xff) != 0) ! return -1; #endif /* COMPAT_LINUX */ /* -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 19:16:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA06908 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:16:39 -0700 Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA06894 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:16:26 -0700 Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6) id VAA03332; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:12:39 -0400 From: "House of Debuggin'" Message-Id: <199506040112.VAA03332@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: Using FreeBSD as fileserver for diskless Sun3?? To: gja@ansley.com (Greg Ansley) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506032115.RAA12834@ansley.com> from "Greg Ansley" at Jun 3, 95 05:15:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 5280 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk They say this Greg Ansley person was kidding when he wrote: > > I'm trying to configure a couple of old Sun3s (a 3/60 and a 3/80) for > use as Xterminals booting diskless from my primary FreeBSD file server. > > I've gotten to the point where the kernel has been successfully loaded Lucky you: this is usually the hardest part for most people. :) > and the sun is trying to mount it's swapspace from the server. At this point > a get the message: > > mount swapfile server:/export/swap/Xkernel failed, rpc status 2 It so happens that I have Seth Robertson's old job (Seth created Xkernel), so I've gotten rather accustomed to sorting out diskless booting problems. :) On the systems Seth has configured here, swap isn't used. Instead, the kernels use a dummy 'no swap' device and rely entirely on whatever RAM they happen to have. The 3/50 machines seem to do pretty well with 4 megs and mono frame buffers. The color machines (some 3/60s and a couple of 3/110s, believe it or not) get by with 8. If you have at least this much RAM in your systems, you shouldn't need swap space with Xkernel. You need to configure your kernel like this: config vmunix root on type nfs swap on ns0b pseudo-device ns You then need to link your kernel with the ns.c module appended to this message. Note carefully the comments in the code about the adb script; you must patch your kernel image before the ns device will work properly. That said, you should be able to use an NFS swap device with a FreeBSD server. I have a feeling the problem is that you haven't yet created the file that you're trying to swap on: > mount swapfile server:/export/swap/Xkernel failed, rpc status 2 For this to work, 'Xkernel' must be a file and the client system must have permission to mount the /export/swap directory in order to access. It also needs root access permission, since diskless root and swap mounts are always done by the kernel as the superuser. You can cheat a bit with this if you remap root to a non-privileged user and then change the ownerships of the exported files to that user. Furthermore, each client needs its own device. Here's what should be done to create the swap files (let's assume you want 8 megs of swap for each machine): 1) Create the files # dd if=/dev/zero of=/export/swap/Xkernel/3-60-swap bs=8192 count=1000 # dd if=/dev/zero of=/export/swap/Xkernel/3-80-swap bs=8192 count=1000 2) Edit /etc/exports and give the 3/50 and 3/80 root mount access to /export/swap/Xkernel 3) kill -HUP the mountd daemon to have it re-read /etc/exports 4) Edit your bootparams database and set the swap file for the 3/60 to /export/swap/Xkernel/3-60-swap and set the swap file for the 3/80 to /export/swap/Xkernel/3-80-swap. You should be able to boot the machines correctly now. -Bill -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~T~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Møøse Illuminati: ignore it and be confused, or join it and be confusing! ~~~~~~~~~ FreeBSD 2.1: "We can kick your operating system's ass!" ~~~~~~~~~~ /* * no-swap kernel device. * * Its purpose is to simply not allow the kernel to swap properly. * The kernel isn't supposed to WANT to swap under these circumstances. * * Written by Nick Sayer * * Credit given to ji@cs.columbia.edu for his ramdisk from which much * of this driver was derived. * * * After a kernel is made with this swap device, you must run the * following adb script: * adb -w vmunix <<_EOF_ rootfs?W 'nfs' rootfs+10?W '' swapfile?W 'spec' swapfile+10?W 'ns0b' $q _EOF_ * */ #include "ns.h" #if NNS > 0 #include #include #include #include #ifndef OPENPROMS struct mb_driver nsdriver = { 0, /* probe: see if a driver is really there */ 0, /* slave: see if a slave is there */ 0, /* attach: setup driver for a slave */ 0, /* go: routine to start transfer */ 0, /* done: routine to finish transfer */ 0, /* poll: polling interrupt routine */ 0, /* size: mount of memory space needed */ "ns", /* dname: name of a device */ 0, /* dinfo: backpointers to mbdinit structs */ "ns", /* cname: name of a controller */ 0, /* cinfo: backpointers to mbcinit structs */ MDR_PSEUDO, /* flags: Mainbus usage flags */ 0, /* link: interrupt routine linked list */ }; #endif nsopen() { return 0; } nsread() { panic("Read from NS device"); } nswrite() { panic("Write to NS device"); } nsioctl() { panic("IOCTL on NS device"); } nsstrategy(bp) struct buf *bp; { bp->b_error = EIO; bp->b_flags |= B_ERROR; iodone(bp); } nssize() { return btodb(freemem*PAGESIZE); } #endif /* NNS > 0 */ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 19:31:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA07818 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:31:24 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA07809 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:31:07 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA14356; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 10:30:36 +0800 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 10:30:36 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FreeBSD hackers , Joerg Wunsch Subject: Re: Does config spellcheck? (was Re: NMBCLUSTERS=2048) In-Reply-To: <199506021727.TAA15078@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > > How do you suppose it should? I don't know, that's why I'm asking. :) > There's no such thing like an official list of allowable options, > everybody is free to invent new options, Aha, I was not aware of this. I figured there would be a list of core #defines that config should always understand, along with a list of legal values. Well, if it's too messy to do, then forget about it. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 19:34:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA08083 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:34:56 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA08074 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:34:48 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA10243; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:37:45 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA00367; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:34:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199506040234.TAA00367@corbin.Root.COM> To: kim culhan cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail 8.6.12 on -current In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 95 16:25:10 EDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 19:34:55 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Earlier today I posted re. sendmail 8.6.12 on -current and these complaints >from conf.c: > >> conf.c: In function `setupmaps': >> conf.c:353: warning: prototype for `host_map_init' follows >> conf.c:253: warning: non-prototype definition here >> conf.c: In function `setproctitle': >> conf.c:1077: `NKPDE' undeclared (first use this function) >> conf.c:1077: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once >> conf.c:1077: for each function it appears in.) >> conf.c:1077: `pt_entry_t' undeclared (first use this function) >> *** Error code 1 Sendmail wanting to know about the number of kernel page directory entries is pretty incredible. Based on the above, it looks to me like somebody's discusting hack to set the 'ps' argument strings. ...better removed and rewritten than fixed. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 19:42:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA08593 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:42:17 -0700 Received: from genesis.tiac.net (genesis.tiac.net [204.180.76.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA08581 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:42:10 -0700 Received: by genesis.tiac.net (8.6.9/genesis0.0) id WAA26580; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 22:42:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 22:42:02 -0400 From: steve2@genesis.tiac.net (Steve Gerakines) Message-Id: <199506040242.WAA26580@genesis.tiac.net> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: kernel page fault while doing tar to /dev/rft0 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Yes, it is a derefernced null some place in the Driver, some one > is suppose to be working on fixing this but I have not heard from > them in 2 months :-(. About three weeks. I just finished getting settled from a big move from my apartment. Fun stuff. In one of your previous messages I could've sworn you said you were going to take care of this. It's being caused by a call to the strategy routine in ft which is supposed to do nothing except return an I/O error on the buffer. This worked okay under 1.1.5 but since I'm not running 2.0 yet I have no idea why it is broken. - Steve steve2@genesis.tiac.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 19:48:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA08952 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:48:47 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA08940 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:48:40 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA14578; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 10:48:30 +0800 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 10:48:30 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Yen-Wei Liu cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UNIX crypt() source - the problem solved (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199506031432.OAA18384@psi.wsl.sinica.edu.tw> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 Jun 1995, Yen-Wei Liu wrote: > > There is another question here : I am compiling PINE/IMAPD on FreeBSD 2.0. > IMAPD requires crypt(). Unfortunately there is only MD5 on my systems. > Now I wonder if there is a wrapper function named crypt() which take > advantage of MD5 rather than DES ? If no, I either write my own or > apply secdist. I don't think the Pine client itself requires that crypt() use DES (pretty sure imapd doesn't either, but I haven't looked). My /usr/lib/libcrypt* is symlinked to /usr/lib/libscrypt*. Pine 3.91 builds and runs just fine on my FreeBSD machines at IBMS (we use it to connect to gate's IMAP server). -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 20:19:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA10614 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:19:28 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA10590 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:19:15 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA14783; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 11:19:04 +0800 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 11:19:03 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: More thoughts on the installer Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've only installed 2.0.5A on one of the machines here so far, holding off on the others for boot disk updates or 2.0.5R. Being a nitpicker, I wrote down lots of little buglets, but nothing really major. Most of the things I mention are from the first boot disk (my mirror site didn't have the update yet), and most of the points have already been mentioned by others. First, the new installer is great!!! A lot of the user input has been rearranged into more logical blocks, with the system prompting for information, instead of having the user accidentally forget something. The network configuration screen is rather impressive, and the progress thermometers are a big improvement over a static screen that just says "Extracting bindist, please wait..." :) Now on to my nitpicks. :) * The last line in the installer help file sounds a little awkward. It reads "... once the system is up, up to a maximum of 12." Maybe "... once the system is running, up to a maximum of 12." would sound a little better. Like I said, I nitpick. :) * If you enter scrollback, forget, and start typing, nothing apparent happens until you exit scrollback and then all the keys are played back. I know this is probably a syscons thing, but I thought I'd mention it here. * The release notes is buggered near the end. The mail address reads "bugs@Fr" and that's it. Speaking of which, is it capitalized "FreeBSD.ORG" just because it looks nice, or what? I thought it would be less confusing if the text files just stuck to "freebsd.org". * Don't forget about the "==> Put more text into this section ;-) <==" section at the end of the installer help. :) * While I was browsing help, at some point I got a "uid 0 on /: file system full" on the debuggin screen. This was before I proceeded to partition/disklabel/install, so it can't be talking about the HD. * The "Toggle extra debugging flag" should read "Turn on debugging flag" (since selecting it again doesn't turn it off). A lot of menu options like that need some sort of feedback to tell the user their choice was registered (without having to flip to the debug screen). * The Select Drives dialog box (before you entire the partition editor) should remind the user to use the spacebar to select disks. * The partition editor tells me the minimum partition size is 1 megabyte, but I cannot make one exactly 1 megabyte in size. * What's an 'X' partition? Extended? Why would that apply within a FreeBSD slice? When I tried to make lots and lots of filesystems, the installer hung after I filled all eight slots on the screen. * I assume the partition editor is doing the right thing when it uses "newfs -u 2888" on an 800M partition, but "newfs -u 2720" on an 85M one and "newfs -u 4096" on 50M and 30M ones? * A couple of typos in the "Select Distributions" dialog: "Spelling checker disctionary files..." and "...compatability...". ^ ^ * What's "XFree86 3.1.1L" (also in the same dialog)? * The default shell in vty0 does not seem to have the PATH set, and no usual shell utils are found (like 'ls', although I made do with "echo *" in the meantime). * If installing from a ufs filesystem, the "Value Required" dialog box reads "...distribtion files..." ^^ * I accidentally selected the manpage distribution when I had not FTP'd them over to a local disk. When it couldn't find the tarball, it asked me if I wanted to try again later, and I said "no". It then went on to extract the remaining packages (compat1x and compat20), then it hung. The last line of the debug screen was "4110 blocks" (the size of the compat20 file). It should have gone on to display the dialog telling the user everything had been unpacked. * Instead of using and on many of the dialogs, wouldn't and (or similar) be better? * The timezone config in the post-install process seems to be reversing its idea of the BIOS clock being on local or UTC. My clock was set to localtime, and when asked for the time, I typed it in. The installer then presumed my clock was on UTC. Setting the clock to UTC but giving the install the local time causes it to think my clock was on localtime. * There should be a more explicit dialog box after the post-install to tell the user that everything is done and the machine can be rebooted, enjoy your new FreeBSD 2.0.5 system, etc., etc. Having to quit out of three or four layers of dialog boxes to reboot seems sort of anti-climactic and unfulfilling to me. ;-) * During another session of fiddling, I noticed I could go into the partition editor wizard mode twice. Went in the first time, exitted, forgot something, then tried to go back in. I get the "Are you sure" dialog, but hitting OK just returns me to the partition editor. Selecting cancel gives me the "That was a wise move!" comment. ;-) I apologize if some of the above are vague, or already addressed in the latest boot floppy. It was pretty late at night, and I had only anticipated at most an hour to get a 2.0.5A machine running (ended up fudging around for three hours in an air-conditionless room). As for 2.0.5A itself, so far so good. top/pstat doesn't show the correct amount of swap though (someone asked this already... bugfix planned for 2.0.5R?). -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 20:28:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA11343 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:28:52 -0700 Received: from physics.su.oz.au (dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA11334 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:28:49 -0700 Received: by physics.su.oz.au id AA28572 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 13:28:14 +1000 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199506040328.AA28572@physics.su.oz.au> Subject: Re: alpha floppy request To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 13:28:13 +1000 (EST) Cc: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <12745.802222008@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 3, 95 04:26:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 432 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> Just to throw a monkey into the works... I know everyone >> wanted to cut a 2.0.5 cd last month ... but ... 3.1.2 is >> due from XFree86 in a couple of weeks with lots of new >> FreeBSD support expected therein, like *my* video card. :) > >Well, that can be for 2.1. Agreed. I wouldn't recommend holding anything up for XFree86 3.1.2. The "couple of weeks" is our hope, but it could easily blow out to the end of June. David From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 20:31:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA11622 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:31:06 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA11594 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:30:55 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA15482; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 11:30:51 +0800 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 11:30:48 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: More thoughts on the installer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 Jun 1995, Brian Tao wrote: > > As for 2.0.5A itself, so far so good. top/pstat doesn't show the > correct amount of swap though (someone asked this already... bugfix > planned for 2.0.5R?). Er, I mean "just top". I was going to type "swapinfo/pstat", but that's wrong too. ;-) pstat shows swap usage correctly. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 20:31:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA11708 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:31:30 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA11692 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:31:26 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA10310; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:34:24 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA02745; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:31:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199506040331.UAA02745@corbin.Root.COM> To: Brian Tao cc: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: More thoughts on the installer In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Jun 95 11:19:03 +0800." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 20:31:29 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > As for 2.0.5A itself, so far so good. top/pstat doesn't show the >correct amount of swap though (someone asked this already... bugfix >planned for 2.0.5R?). pstat -s should work - it does here. 'top' is known broken, however. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 20:52:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA12368 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:52:34 -0700 Received: from physics.su.oz.au (dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA12360 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:52:32 -0700 Received: by physics.su.oz.au id AA29120 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 13:51:59 +1000 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199506040351.AA29120@physics.su.oz.au> Subject: Re: More thoughts on the installer To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 13:51:58 +1000 (EST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Jun 4, 95 11:19:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 887 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >* I assume the partition editor is doing the right thing when it uses > "newfs -u 2888" on an 800M partition, but "newfs -u 2720" on an 85M > one and "newfs -u 4096" on 50M and 30M ones? I presume that this is adjusted to avoid unused space? newfs has often told me there are unused cylinder(s) when using the default 4096. >* What's "XFree86 3.1.1L" (also in the same dialog)? I wondered about that too. It should either be called 3.1.1u1 or just 3.1.1. >* There should be a more explicit dialog box after the post-install to > tell the user that everything is done and the machine can be > rebooted, enjoy your new FreeBSD 2.0.5 system, etc., etc. Having to > quit out of three or four layers of dialog boxes to reboot seems > sort of anti-climactic and unfulfilling to me. ;-) But you might want to go back and do something else (like install another package). David From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 20:54:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA12518 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:54:21 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA12512 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:54:18 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA18056; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:49:59 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506040349.UAA18056@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: :Re Doom and Linux To: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Cc: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr, hasty@star-gate.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <9506040017.AA03767@olympus> from "Boyd Faulkner" at Jun 3, 95 07:17:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 992 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > > Anyone got a 320x200 mode for an S3 864 ? > > > > I'm interested too :-) > > > > > Maybe we could pester Interplay for a port of Descent !!! > > > Lets see Descent + Virtual I-O glasses :) > > > > Believe it or not, but a few Linux friends of mine are unable to run > > Descent under DOS but it works great under ... DOSEMU under Linux !!! > > -- > > Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG > > FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 > > > > Courtesy of Rod. > # 320x200 @ 70 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync, 8:5 aspect ratio > Modeline "320x200" 12.588 320 336 384 400 200 204 205 225 Doublescan > Don't blame me for that line, that was all done for me by xf86config and/or a cut and paste from the monitors data base file that comes with XFree86!!! -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 21:07:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA12990 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:07:09 -0700 Received: from emory.mathcs.emory.edu (emory.mathcs.emory.edu [128.140.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA12984 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:07:08 -0700 Received: from bagend.UUCP by emory.mathcs.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_mathcs.4.0.14) via UUCP id AA07023 ; Sun, 4 Jun 95 00:07:06 -0400 Received: by bagend.atl.ga.us (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0sI6xL-0006QUC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 00:06 EDT Message-Id: From: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Subject: adventures in alpha install To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 00:06:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2250 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Adventures in the latest (last time I looked :-) boot.flp on 3 June on a 1033mb drive that has OS/2 Boot Manager, 320mb dos, 128mb OS/2. This leaves ~50mb below 1024 cylinders. (of 2099 cyl on the disk) OS/2 boot manager requires that a partition be totally within the 1024 cyl limit to add it to the boot menu. No problem, I will just boot from a floppy anyway. When instructed to not diddle with the MBR, the install crashes with "Fatal Error ... Invalid Variable ... something ..." I can duplicate this if need be, and record it exactly ... just have to find a pencil my dogs have not chewed up. :) All setup variations which includes NOT updating the MBR results in said fatal error and a reboot. I want to continue to use OS/2 BM, so I tell it to write the MBR and proceed to install from a dos partition. All goes well until reboot time when I get an error message something to the effect of partition out of range... again, if they are that interesting, I can duplicate this and write down the exact message. Anyway, besides not booting anything at all now, I have to boot dos from a floppy to make OS/2 BM bootable again. Then I recall the slice scheme being discussed a while back and my wishfull thinking tells me to try creating two slices on the disk, one below 1024 cyl for / and another for the rest of the disk. Partition will gladly create another partition for me ... and Disk Label will gladly let me divide it up, but as you know and I learned, the second slice gets called /dev/X which is not kosher, cannot be newfs'd or mounted and the install ground to a halt. However, if I escape out of the error message, I am told that installation was successful. :) btw, freefall would NOT let me do a get somedir.tar. wcarchive would let me get one-dir.tar but all subsequent get dir.tar commands would fail... log out, log in and get another dir.tar worked, however. btw2, did dict change? Install failed to extract dict from a few days ago. If I then x'd out dict and tried to only install say, manpages, after dict failed, the procedure remembered that something had failed and would not attempt any further installs. Has anyone tested floppy installs? If not, I can give it a try. -- Jan Isley jan@bagend.atl.ga.us From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 21:29:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA13434 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:29:27 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA13428 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:29:26 -0700 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 00:29:06 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: FreeBSD 2.0.5 install Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I was wondering how does one mount a dos partition under FreeBSD -current since I noticed on wcarchive under /pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sbin, mount_msdos no longer exists since I need to do a tarball of my setup to my dos partition before I do my full install... Thanks... Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 21:30:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA13492 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:30:14 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA13486 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:30:12 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA18283; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:29:43 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506040429.VAA18283@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: kernel page fault while doing tar to /dev/rft0 To: steve2@genesis.tiac.net (Steve Gerakines) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506040242.WAA26580@genesis.tiac.net> from "Steve Gerakines" at Jun 3, 95 10:42:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1278 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Yes, it is a derefernced null some place in the Driver, some one > > is suppose to be working on fixing this but I have not heard from > > them in 2 months :-(. > > About three weeks. I just finished getting settled from a big move > from my apartment. Fun stuff. It was not you I was refering to :-). > In one of your previous messages I could've sworn you said you > were going to take care of this. It's being caused by a call to > the strategy routine in ft which is supposed to do nothing except return > an I/O error on the buffer. This worked okay under 1.1.5 but since I'm > not running 2.0 yet I have no idea why it is broken. And that is why I forwarded it on to someone else, I lost the tape drive I had here (it was only here for a system build so I had a very small window to intergrate and test your 1.x changes into 2.0, which I did get done. I ran out of time debugging the null derefernece, I passed this on to some one else after putting them within 10 lines of the problem. I just looked up my invoice for that order and it was shipped on March 27th, so infact it has been > 2 months! -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 21:39:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA13847 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:39:53 -0700 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com (mail04.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.53]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA13841 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:39:51 -0700 From: PowerTrip@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA175700754; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 00:39:14 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 00:39:14 -0400 Message-Id: <950604003913_22231880@aol.com> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, tonym@citrix.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.0 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Thanks for the info (re: modifying kernel and recompiling it) TonyM From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 22:20:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA14968 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 22:20:19 -0700 Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (some.schmuck.lame.delegated.to.RAIN.PSG.COM [146.64.24.58]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA14962 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 22:20:16 -0700 Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.6.11/8.6.6) id HAA21499; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 07:13:30 +0200 From: John Hay Message-Id: <199506040513.HAA21499@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.0.5 install To: vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu (-Vince-) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 07:13:30 +0200 (SAT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "-Vince-" at Jun 4, 95 00:29:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 370 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I was wondering how does one mount a dos partition under FreeBSD > -current since I noticed on wcarchive under > /pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sbin, mount_msdos no longer exists since > I need to do a tarball of my setup to my dos partition before I do my > full install... Thanks... > It just moved to src/sbin/i386. -- John Hay -- jhay@mikom.csir.co.za From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 22:32:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA15605 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 22:32:08 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA15598 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 22:32:01 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA17231; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 13:30:46 +0800 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 13:30:46 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: David Dawes cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More thoughts on the installer In-Reply-To: <199506040351.AA29120@physics.su.oz.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 Jun 1995, David Dawes wrote: > > >* There should be a more explicit dialog box after the post-install to > > tell the user that everything is done and the machine can be > > rebooted, enjoy your new FreeBSD 2.0.5 system, etc., etc. Having to > > quit out of three or four layers of dialog boxes to reboot seems > > sort of anti-climactic and unfulfilling to me. ;-) > > But you might want to go back and do something else (like install another > package). Selecting the "OK" button could go ahead and reboot the machine, while "Cancel"/"Back" would return you to the installation menu for doing other things. I like the welcome message you get at the end of the 2.0 installation. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 23:10:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA16431 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 23:10:28 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA16423 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 23:10:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Brian Tao cc: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: More thoughts on the installer In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Jun 95 11:19:03 +0800." Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 23:10:26 -0700 Message-ID: <16422.802246226@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Brian, some good suggestions here, thanks! Since I'm a bit pressed for time at the moment, I hope you'll forgive my terse line-by-line responses to your comments! Nothing personal, just time! > * The last line in the installer help file sounds a little awkward. A bit too late to change it and all of the translations. Pass. > * If you enter scrollback, forget, and start typing, nothing apparent I think "scroll lock" has always had that effect.. :-) > * The release notes is buggered near the end. The mail address reads > "bugs@Fr" and that's it. Speaking of which, is it capitalized Really?? It's fine in my copy. Perhaps we had some bad floppies at some point or MFS is truncating the uncompressed file. I'll check into it! > * Don't forget about the "==> Put more text into this section ;-) <==" > section at the end of the installer help. :) Fixed.. :-) > * While I was browsing help, at some point I got a "uid 0 on /: file > system full" on the debuggin screen. This was before I proceeded to > partition/disklabel/install, so it can't be talking about the HD. Fixed, I think. Please re-verify with the latest. > * The "Toggle extra debugging flag" should read "Turn on debugging Fixed. > * The Select Drives dialog box (before you entire the partition > editor) should remind the user to use the spacebar to select disks. Fixed. > > * The partition editor tells me the minimum partition size is 1 > megabyte, but I cannot make one exactly 1 megabyte in size. Use blocks. :-) > * What's an 'X' partition? Extended? Why would that apply within a > FreeBSD slice? When I tried to make lots and lots of filesystems, > the installer hung after I filled all eight slots on the screen. ?? Not seen this! Will check. > * A couple of typos in the "Select Distributions" dialog: "Spelling > checker disctionary files..." and "...compatability...". Fixed, thanks. > * What's "XFree86 3.1.1L" (also in the same dialog)? Fixed, thanks. > * The default shell in vty0 does not seem to have the PATH set, and no > usual shell utils are found (like 'ls', although I made do with > "echo *" in the meantime). Fixed, thanks. > * If installing from a ufs filesystem, the "Value Required" dialog box > reads "...distribtion files..." Fixed, thanks. > compat20), then it hung. The last line of the debug screen was > "4110 blocks" (the size of the compat20 file). It should have gone > on to display the dialog telling the user everything had been > unpacked. Looking into it. > * Instead of using and on many of the dialogs, wouldn't > and (or similar) be better? It would be but I'm not modifying libdialog. :-) > * The timezone config in the post-install process seems to be > reversing its idea of the BIOS clock being on local or UTC. My Garrett? > * There should be a more explicit dialog box after the post-install to > tell the user that everything is done and the machine can be > rebooted, enjoy your new FreeBSD 2.0.5 system, etc., etc. Having to > quit out of three or four layers of dialog boxes to reboot seems > sort of anti-climactic and unfulfilling to me. ;-) I'm not sure what would be fulfilling in this context, so I'll pass.. :-) > * During another session of fiddling, I noticed I could go into the > partition editor wizard mode twice. Went in the first time, > exitted, forgot something, then tried to go back in. I get the "Are > you sure" dialog, but hitting OK just returns me to the partition > editor. Selecting cancel gives me the "That was a wise move!" > comment. ;-) Weird. I'll look into it. > I apologize if some of the above are vague, or already addressed > in the latest boot floppy. It was pretty late at night, and I had No, thanks for the feedback! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 23:18:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA16686 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 23:18:39 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA16679 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 23:18:38 -0700 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 02:18:18 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: John Hay cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.0.5 install In-Reply-To: <199506040513.HAA21499@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 Jun 1995, John Hay wrote: > > I was wondering how does one mount a dos partition under FreeBSD > > -current since I noticed on wcarchive under > > /pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sbin, mount_msdos no longer exists since > > I need to do a tarball of my setup to my dos partition before I do my > > full install... Thanks... > > > It just moved to src/sbin/i386. Thanks, I just recompiled mount_msdos, mountd, and mount but somehow when I tried: mount -t msdos /dev/wd0e /usr/dos1 msdos: mount: Invalid argument Anyone know what's wrong since this worked before... Thanks... Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 23:30:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA17162 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 23:30:11 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temp@temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA17156 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 23:30:06 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id CAA18593; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 02:28:02 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 02:28:01 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Re: Debug messages To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Call me stupid, but how the hell do I turn these messages off??? I've already done the install, and now I'm getting messages like Jun 4 02:24:24 main login: ROOT LOGIN (root) on ttyyv1 Jun 4 02:24:24 main login: ROOT LOGIN (root) on ttyyv1 Jun 4 02:24:24 main login: login on ttyyv1 as root Jun 4 02:25:40 main login: login on ttyyv2 as temp once is bad enough, but to tell you 3 times the same thing is a bit over kill no??? From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 23:33:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA17432 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 23:33:58 -0700 Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (some.schmuck.lame.delegated.to.RAIN.PSG.COM [146.64.24.58]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA17424 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 23:33:55 -0700 Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA21963; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 08:27:15 +0200 From: John Hay Message-Id: <199506040627.IAA21963@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.0.5 install To: vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu (-Vince-) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 08:27:14 +0200 (SAT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "-Vince-" at Jun 4, 95 02:18:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 840 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Sun, 4 Jun 1995, John Hay wrote: > > > > I was wondering how does one mount a dos partition under FreeBSD > > > -current since I noticed on wcarchive under > > > /pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sbin, mount_msdos no longer exists since > > > I need to do a tarball of my setup to my dos partition before I do my > > > full install... Thanks... > > > > > It just moved to src/sbin/i386. > > Thanks, I just recompiled mount_msdos, mountd, and mount but > somehow when I tried: > > mount -t msdos /dev/wd0e /usr/dos1 > msdos: mount: Invalid argument > Nowadays with the slice code, you will probably need to use a slice like /dev/wd0s1 (and not wd0e) if your dos partition is the first partition on the disk. The dos patition (slice) isn't part of the freebsd partitions anymore. -- John Hay -- jhay@mikom.csir.co.za From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 23:52:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA20504 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 23:52:18 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA20484 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 23:52:16 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA20606; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 08:52:14 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA27883 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 08:52:12 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA26014 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 08:40:53 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506040640.IAA26014@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: kernel page fault while doing tar to /dev/rft0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 08:40:51 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506040429.VAA18283@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 3, 95 09:29:42 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1911 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > > Yes, it is a derefernced null some place in the Driver, some one > > > is suppose to be working on fixing this but I have not heard from > > > them in 2 months :-(. > > > > About three weeks. I just finished getting settled from a big move > > from my apartment. Fun stuff. > > It was not you I was refering to :-). Huh, i don't hope you think about me here? Anyway, i don't have a (working) floppy tape drive either, but i figured that your last changes to the code _should_ have fixed this behaviour, so i didn't pursue it anymore. (The bug report which started this thread referred to 2.0R.) Here's the relevant part: void fdstrategy(struct buf *bp) { register struct buf *dp; long nblocks, blknum; int s; fdcu_t fdcu; fdu_t fdu; fdc_p fdc; fd_p fd; size_t fdblk; fdu = FDUNIT(minor(bp->b_dev)); fd = &fd_data[fdu]; fdc = fd->fdc; fdcu = fdc->fdcu; fdblk = 128 << (fd->ft->secsize); #if NFT > 0 if (FDTYPE(minor(bp->b_dev)) & F_TAPE_TYPE) { /* ft tapes do not (yet) support strategy i/o */ bp->b_error = ENXIO; bp->b_flags |= B_ERROR; goto bad; } Actually, you're right. It's apparently not yet fixed. The five lines above #if NFT > 0 should be moved below; i think the offending expression is ``fd->ft->secsize''. This has been introduced with revision 1.30 of fd.c, which is supposed to move over the final version from 1.1.5.1 into the V2 source tree. CAN SOMEBODY WITH A WORKING FLOPPY TAPE PLEASE CHECK IF THE SUGGESTED FIX (move 5 lines below the #ifdef block) WOULD WORK? THIS MUST GO INTO 2.0.5!!! -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 23:52:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA20503 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 23:52:18 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA20482 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 23:52:15 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA20602; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 08:52:13 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA27880 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 08:52:12 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA25865 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 08:22:10 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506040622.IAA25865@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: UNIX crypt() source - the problem solved (fwd) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 08:22:09 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Jun 4, 95 10:48:30 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 903 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Brian Tao wrote: > > I don't think the Pine client itself requires that crypt() use DES > (pretty sure imapd doesn't either, but I haven't looked). My > /usr/lib/libcrypt* is symlinked to /usr/lib/libscrypt*. Pine 3.91 > builds and runs just fine on my FreeBSD machines at IBMS (we use it to > connect to gate's IMAP server). Hmm, this reminds me of another pitfall. I don't know about Pine/ IMAPD, but Elm requires to be linked against -ldescrypt, in order to get its internal message {en,de}cryption correct. Satoshi, the configure script in our port should be aware of this, and it might warn the user about the disfunctional encryption if there's no such thing like -ldescrypt available. (I don't know who's the maintainer of the elm port.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 3 23:52:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA20542 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 23:52:22 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA20505 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 23:52:18 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA20614; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 08:52:16 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA27889; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 08:52:14 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA26093; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 08:49:38 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506040649.IAA26093@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: 2.0.5-ALPHA install buglet and [Q's] To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 08:49:38 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: jmb@kryten.atinc.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <21824.802227295@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 3, 95 05:54:55 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 348 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > future domain 9c50 scsi-2 'compliant' > > Hmmm. Almost certainly not supported! :-( Perhaps by the sea driver? The tmc850 should be, so if the 950 is a superset...? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)