From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 00:06:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA12747 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:06:48 -0700 Received: from specgw.spec.co.jp (specgw.spec.co.jp [202.32.13.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA12737 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:06:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (uucp@localhost) by specgw.spec.co.jp (8.6.5/3.3Wb-SPEC) with UUCP id PAA13922; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:55:31 +0900 Received: by tama.spec.co.jp (8.6.11/6.4J.5) id PAA00387; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:39:09 +0900 From: Atsushi Murai Message-Id: <199506250639.PAA00387@tama.spec.co.jp> Subject: Re: Anyone else see this with ijppp? To: phk@freefall.cdrom.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:39:08 +0900 (JST) Cc: amurai@spec.co.jp, jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506250416.VAA07383@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Jun 24, 95 09:16:44 pm Reply-To: amurai@spec.co.jp X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 435 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > And while we're at it: How hard would it be to add SLIP ? I guess it should not be difficult for implementing SLIP as user process. But I don't recommend SLIP add into iij-ppp for maintenance issue. Addition please don't say "Hey why don't you do that?" ;-) Atsushi. -- Atsushi Murai Internet: amurai@spec.co.jp System Planning and Engineering Co,.Ltd. Voice : +81-33833-5341 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 01:54:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA14465 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 01:54:19 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA14455 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 01:54:16 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA04891; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 10:54:14 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA28188 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 10:54:13 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA15271 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 09:50:15 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506250750.JAA15271@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 09:50:15 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <28274.804034895@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 25, 95 00:01:35 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 844 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > Well, that's sort of what /etc/sysconfig is eventually supposed to > > > become. Then you'd never overwrite the user's sysconfig file and > > > would, at most, patch it to fold in whatever knobs had been added.. > > > > / needs to be mountable read only. /var/sysconfig (or similar). > > Heh?? What does a read-only root have to do with /etc/sysconfig? Further, /etc contains the per-host configuration information, so i don't see a good way to share a common /etc directory between multiple diskless hosts. (Boy, we should feel happy that we do have almost everything in /etc right now. The only exception is /var/cron/tabs, and that should be changed.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 01:54:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA14495 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 01:54:24 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA14478 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 01:54:21 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA04907; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 10:54:18 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA28197 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 10:54:17 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA15480 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 10:20:44 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506250820.KAA15480@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: scsi disk bad block To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 10:20:43 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506250159.SAA00222@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Jun 24, 95 06:59:26 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 421 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > I can't fsck one of my disks because it has a bad block . > > Any ideas on how to enable bad block relocation for the disk. scsi -f /dev/rsd*.ctl -m 1 -e -P 3 AWRE (Auto Write Reallocation Enbld): 1 ARRE (Auto Read Reallocation Enbld): 1 -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 01:54:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA14534 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 01:54:31 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA14482 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 01:54:21 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA04911; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 10:54:19 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA28201 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 10:54:18 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA15536 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 10:33:20 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506250833.KAA15536@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: scsi disk bad block To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 10:33:19 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <11106.804047855@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 25, 95 03:37:35 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 585 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I've found that doing a "verify" using the controller diags generally > does this in a fairly non-destructive manner. This should also be possible using scsi(8), but i guess we'll have to wait for Peter in order to learn the magic sequence to send to the drive. My first attempt to do scsi -f /dev/rsd1.ctl -c "2f 0 0 0 0 0 xx xx 0" (xx xx being the number of blocks to verify) failed with an IO error. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 02:18:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA15583 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 02:18:02 -0700 Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA15577 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 02:17:54 -0700 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) id CAA00658; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 02:17:36 -0700 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 02:17:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199506250917.CAA00658@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: terse output from sysctl in netstart From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk The following lines are in /etc/netstart: === if [ -n "$tcp_extensions" -a "x$tcp_extensions" = "xNO" ] ; then sysctl -nw net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=0 sysctl -nw net.inet.tcp.rfc1644=0 fi === The output from these lines look like: === 0 0 === Which looks more than a little puzzling during bootup. Will anyone scream bloody murder if I take out the `n' from the flags? Then the output will be like === net.inet.tcp.rfc1323: 1 -> 0 net.inet.tcp.rfc1644: 1 -> 0 === which is far more informative for newbies like me. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 02:32:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA15838 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 02:32:25 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA15831 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 02:32:18 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id CAA01137; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 02:32:35 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506250932.CAA01137@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: terse output from sysctl in netstart To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 02:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506250917.CAA00658@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> from "Satoshi Asami" at Jun 25, 95 02:17:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 845 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > The following lines are in /etc/netstart: > > === > if [ -n "$tcp_extensions" -a "x$tcp_extensions" = "xNO" ] ; then > sysctl -nw net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=0 > sysctl -nw net.inet.tcp.rfc1644=0 > fi > === > > The output from these lines look like: > > === > 0 > 0 > === > > Which looks more than a little puzzling during bootup. > > Will anyone scream bloody murder if I take out the `n' from the flags? > Then the output will be like No, please go ahead, it won't conflict with my other changes as they are at least 8 lines away :-) > === > net.inet.tcp.rfc1323: 1 -> 0 > net.inet.tcp.rfc1644: 1 -> 0 > === > > which is far more informative for newbies like me. > > Satoshi > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 03:31:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA16788 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 03:31:33 -0700 Received: from sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu [130.245.1.47]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA16782 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 03:31:30 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id GAA28939; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 06:30:08 -0400 Received: (from gene@localhost) by starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id GAA04989; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 06:30:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 06:30:54 -0400 From: Gene Stark Message-Id: <199506251030.GAA04989@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of Sat, 24 Jun 1995 20:53:21 +0100 Subject: Anyone else see this with ijppp? References: <3sic2k$2na@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Oh, and on the subject of ppp dialing up and staying up for hours, yes > I've set a timeout and yes I've put in a filter for dialing that blocks > pings and yes I've set `hosts' before `bind' in my /etc/host.conf so > that simple DNS queries don't trigger it. And it still does it.. :-) I don't see this problem. I did have a little trouble with DNS and ntp at first. Below are the filters I am using. The only real problem I have with it is the automatic 30 second redial if a call fails. As I mentioned in mail to the author and maintainer, there should be a configurable backoff on this so you don't get socked with charges for a kazillion calls (mine cost $0.10/ea.) if an unattended machine goes beserk because the other end is inaccessible for some reason. - Gene # # Don't keep Alive with ICMP, DNS, RIP, and NTP packet # set afilter 0 deny icmp set afilter 1 deny udp src eq 53 set afilter 2 deny udp dst eq 53 set afilter 3 deny udp src eq 520 set afilter 4 deny udp dst eq 520 set afilter 5 deny udp src eq 123 set afilter 6 deny udp dst eq 123 set afilter 7 permit 0/0 0/0 # # Don't dial with ICMP, DNS, RIP, NTP packet # set dfilter 0 deny icmp set dfilter 1 deny udp src eq 53 set dfilter 2 deny udp dst eq 53 # include DNS zone transfer request via TCP set dfilter 3 deny tcp src eq 53 set dfilter 4 deny tcp dst eq 53 set dfilter 5 deny udp src eq 520 set dfilter 6 deny udp dst eq 520 set dfilter 7 deny udp src eq 123 set dfilter 8 deny udp dst eq 123 set dfilter 9 permit 0/0 0/0 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 04:03:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA17278 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 04:03:12 -0700 Received: from asstdc.scgt.oz.au (root@asstdc.scgt.oz.au [202.14.234.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA17265 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 04:02:59 -0700 Received: (from imb@localhost) by asstdc.scgt.oz.au (8.6.12/BSD4.4) id VAA21856; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 21:02:15 +1000 From: michael butler Message-Id: <199506251102.VAA21856@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> Subject: Re: Anyone else see this with ijppp? To: gene@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu (Gene Stark) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 21:02:13 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506251030.GAA04989@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu> from "Gene Stark" at Jun 25, 95 06:30:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24beta] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 905 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Gene Stark writes: > The only real problem I have with it is the automatic 30 second redial > if a call fails. As I mentioned in mail to the author and maintainer, > there should be a configurable backoff on this so you don't get socked > with charges for a kazillion calls (mine cost $0.10/ea.) if an unattended > machine goes beserk because the other end is inaccessible for some reason. Such behaviour is also in breach of the Australian telecommunications guidelines. I believe that the maximum number of attempts by an automated dialler to the same number is restricted to 10 in any one HALF-HOUR. Telebit specifically implemented an "ERROR" return code in their Austel approved WorldBlazers if this limit was hit. It was intended to refuse to dial that same number for another half-hour but, in practice, it NEVER forgot the black-listed number and a modem power-down was required :-( michael From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 07:25:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA21557 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 07:25:40 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA21551 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 07:25:30 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA11921; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:25:58 +0100 To: amurai@spec.co.jp cc: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard), hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone else see this with ijppp? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:48:34 +0900." <199506250348.MAA00767@tama.spec.co.jp> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:25:58 +0100 Message-ID: <11919.804090358@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Yes. we are clean up code that relating logging facility.... Sorry > bother you but you don't need to get it as serious ;-) Ok, just thought I'd mention it! > Just one question for you. Are you running the named even you did set > up above order for resolving hostname ? I can't comment out as right Nope, not running named at all. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 07:31:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA21791 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 07:31:31 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA21785 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 07:31:24 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA11958; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:31:58 +0100 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers), joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Subject: Re: Anyone else see this with ijppp? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:43:21 +0200." <199506242243.AAA11420@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:31:58 +0100 Message-ID: <11956.804090718@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Can you guys exclude the .de domain when dicussing such weird things > like ``flat phone rates'', ``dedicated lines without... shock'' etc.? > > Thank'ya. (Another frustrated dependant of the Deutsche Telekom) No problem. Hey, Amancio, I just got a call back from Pac Bell.. Seems they were wrong before! They said they can give me dedicated T1 to my house for $19.95 a month now, using the new "T1 for $20" service they're inaugerating! The rental on the CSU/DSU is also only an additional $3.00 a month and they'll GIVE you the T1->ethernet converter if you agree to sign up for 6 months. Not bad, eh? Jordan P.S. Ha ha. Just kidding, Joerg! :-) P.P.S. But in 6 more months, who knows? You SURE you don't want to move to the U.S.? :-) :-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 07:34:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA21935 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 07:34:37 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA21926 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 07:34:23 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA12057; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:34:47 +0100 To: Warner Losh cc: Gary Palmer , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD Hackers Mailing List) Subject: Re: Creating iso9660 filesystems In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:04:34 MDT." <199506250604.AAA02205@rover.village.org> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:34:47 +0100 Message-ID: <12055.804090887@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > : /usr/bin/mkisofs > > So can it be used on media that is smaller than a cdrom in size? Say, > an IOMEGA 100M floppy? Sure, why not? There are no implicit min/max sizes that I can see. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 07:44:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA22422 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 07:44:09 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA22410 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 07:44:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA12103; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:44:29 +0100 To: Warner Losh cc: Network Coordinator , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:21:32 MDT." <199506250621.AAA02309@rover.village.org> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:44:29 +0100 Message-ID: <12101.804091469@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Some are easy: New binaries and Libraries. You copy the new ones in, > reboot, and you are set. Ditto the kernel, kinda. The format of the > kernel config file sometimes changes, and you need to be able to > translate old config files to the new ones. This is usually easy. This can be generalized a little more by simply saying that for every level of "update" you may need to outright replace certain files and possibly patch others in place. Which brings up two things I didn't cover in my previous message and that's one, the issue of MD5 checksumming the old ones so that you can tell if the user _modified_ the other one and may want the choice of either not updating it or moving it to a specified location and two, "grouping" the deltas in such a way so that a given update can be expressed as individual deltas without losing the granularity (if you wanted to back out an individual update, it could do it properly by un-applying all the relevant deltas). One example of this would be a kernel change where the routing structures were modified. You'd want to replace the kernel, routed, route, netstat, etc. all in one update operation. > Then you get into the thornier issues: /etc/rc* and /etc/netstart. > From time to time, things need to be added to these file, and you want > to preserve, as much as possible, the configuration that has been > made here. Well, this has been simplified to a great extent by /etc/sysconfig. It's my intention that ALL of the mutable files in /etc eventually collapse to just /etc/sysconfig, and there's never any reason at all for the user to modify the others. > This doesn't address the "dual boot" issue. In that case, you'd want > to be able to say "Install the system onto that other device, and use > my current system as a template." It also doesn't address the "ooop, > that was stupid, I want to go back now." either. Dual boot, no and possibly never. The "oops, I want to go back now" was covered in my previous message. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 07:44:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA22501 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 07:44:55 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA22482 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 07:44:40 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA12119; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:45:11 +0100 To: Warner Losh cc: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert), jkh@FreeBSD.ORG (Jordan K. Hubbard), peter@bonkers.taronga.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:25:33 MDT." <199506250625.AAA02326@rover.village.org> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:45:10 +0100 Message-ID: <12117.804091510@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > : Then you can overwrite all the rc.* scripts or whatever to your heart's > : content. > > Things are close now, but need someone who is rather "retentive" to go > through and separate it out. That's Rod, and he's doing it now.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 08:01:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA23095 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 08:01:03 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA23089 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 08:00:59 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA25623; Sun, 25 Jun 95 17:00:57 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id RAA28252; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 17:12:41 +0200 Message-Id: <199506251512.RAA28252@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: 2.05R reboot hangs To: jan@todonix.ping.de (Jan Wedekind) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 17:12:41 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) In-Reply-To: from "Jan Wedekind" at Jun 25, 95 03:11:00 pm From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2139 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hello Rodney, > > > Set your cache to write through mode or expect to get signall 11's at > > random. The board (all version) has a cache write back coherency problem > > when used with bus master PCI devices (the NCR SCSI controller is a > > PCI bus master). > > > > Turn off ISA GAT mode, though you may not need to if you don't have any > > ISA bus masters. > > > ok we did! > > > Properly terminate your SCSI bus. There is *NEVER* a reason to have 3 > > terminators on a scsi bus, plain and simple you are asking for trouble > > if you do that. > > > well, that was not me who has terminated it 3 times; > i double checked it and it is correctly terminated! > Today i changed the cables and IRQ setting; will see the results shortly > (the last 3 hours it worked!) > > > Please tell exactly what the last thing on the screen is after you > > type reboot when the hang occurs (just the last line is all I need). > > > syncing discs ... done. > rebooting. Hhhmm. I'm seeing this too with one of my systems: I type sync ; reboot and after saying 'rebooting' it just hangs. ASUS GX4 board DX2/66, 16MB, AH1542CF floppy disabled,Seagate 31200, ISA disks disabled. AMI (off memory),that blue screen BIOS with two columns. > > then the hang occured. > > > Compile a kernel with: > > # BROKEN_KEYBOARD_RESET disables the use of the keyboard controller to > > # reset the CPU for reboot. This is needed on some systems with broken > > # keyboard controllers. > > options "BROKEN_KEYBOARD_RESET" > > > we did and rebooted several times without a hang! > > the board for your collection: ASUS PCI/I-486SP3G, Rev. 1.8 > > Jan > -- > PING e.V. Jan Wedekind (Kassenwart) jan@ping.de > Emil-Figge-Str. 85 Lindemannstr. 12 kasse@ping.de > 44227 Dortmund 44137 Dortmund vorstand@ping.de > Tel.: 0231 / 97 91 - 0 Tel.: +49 (231) 13 44 04 info@ping.de > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950619 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0619 #1: Mon Jun 19 19:54:08 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 08:32:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA24007 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 08:32:06 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA24001 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 08:32:04 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <55384>; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 17:31:53 +0200 Received: (from jhs@localhost) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA07608; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 17:25:08 +0200 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 17:25:08 +0200 From: Julian Howard Stacey Message-Id: <199506231525.RAA07608@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: token ring card support ? Cc: n1epo4tl@ibmmail.com Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk This posted on behalf of Stuart Arnold What if any token ring cards are supported by FreeBSD ? Stuart Arnold ----- PS I looked in current sys/.../LINT & Release & share & grep -i token did not throw up anything noticeable. Julian Stacey Recommended , Alternate Localhost From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 08:42:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA24252 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 08:42:21 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA24246 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 08:42:18 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id LAA08341; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:34:34 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:34:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: missing dict, ends make world To: hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk started a make world last night after installing the bin and src distributions. this morning the make world terminated prematurely with an error. stopped at /usr/share/doc/papers/memfs/ref.bib cant open /usr/share/dict/eign can the makefiles be modified to continue in the event that non-essential parts of the make fail? Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 09:00:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA24605 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 09:00:51 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA24599 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 09:00:49 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA26654 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:59:38 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:59:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199506251559.LAA26654@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Rodney grimes writes... >> Of course, 5mbs is the upper limit with full frame forwarding on 10mbs >> media, its 50mbs (1/2 of the bandwidth) with 100mbs media. You ought to know >> that. > >That is not true. 10mbs is the upper limit with full frame forwarding, >and I can show you some equipment that does it. We are not going back >out the same wire, so there is no wire contention or for that matter >even controller contention. > >Here is the funny shaped conical hat, please go think about what you >said for a while <:-). > I love this "I can demonstrate" stuff. Try the hat on yourself. To get from a to b to c requires 2 transmission times at 10mbs (because you have to wait for the full frame to arrive, which was what we were talking about) , which means that net throughput cannot be greater than 50% of 10mbs. db From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 09:06:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA24833 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 09:06:16 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA24823 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 09:06:15 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506251606.JAA24823@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 09:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506251559.LAA26654@mail.htp.com> from "dennis" at Jun 25, 95 11:59:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 978 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >Here is the funny shaped conical hat, please go think about what you > >said for a while <:-). > > > I love this "I can demonstrate" stuff. Try the hat on yourself. To get from > a to b to c requires 2 transmission times at 10mbs (because you have to wait > for the full frame to arrive, which was what we were talking about) , which > means that net throughput cannot be greater than 50% of 10mbs. > Why shouldn't I be able to receive the next frame while transmitting the first one ? Recv Frame 1 Recv Frame 2 Recv Frame 3 ------------> ------------> ------------> Send Frame 1 Send Frame 2 ... Here is yet a funny shaped conical hat, please go think about what you said for a while <<:-). -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 09:06:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA24894 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 09:06:42 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA24888 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 09:06:41 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA26785; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:05:26 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:05:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199506251605.MAA26785@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Rodney W. Grimes" From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk R. Grimes writes..... >The SMC 9332 EtherPower 10/100 is a bus master device with no memory >on it at all. It uses host memory for packet buffers and for all >practical purposes this can be as much memory as you want to through >at it! > As long as you can get the bus. You don't want this on a 100mbs media device. The card (or controller) needs some buffering or you'll be in trouble with a heavy burst. db From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 09:28:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA25255 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 09:28:39 -0700 Received: from wdl1.wdl.loral.com (wdl1.wdl.loral.com [137.249.32.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA25249 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 09:28:37 -0700 Received: from miles.sso.loral.com (miles.wdl.loral.com) by wdl1.wdl.loral.com (5.x/WDL-2.4-1.0) id AA29243; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 09:28:00 -0700 Received: by miles.sso.loral.com (4.1/SSO-SUN-2.04) id AA04860; Sun, 25 Jun 95 12:28:31 EDT Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:28:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Toren X-Sender: rpt@miles To: Warner Losh Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP In-Reply-To: <199506250621.AAA02309@rover.village.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk But in the current case of 2.0.5, possibly the biggest gotcha is the new disk partitioning / slicing. Upgrading (which I would love to see) requires that the underlying disk structure and partion sizes are correct and large enough to hold the new upgrade. ==================================================== Rip Toren | The bad news is that C++ is not an object-oriented | rpt@miles.sso.loral.com | programming language. .... The good news is that | | C++ supports object-oriented programming. | | C++ Programming & Fundamental Concepts | | by Anderson & Heinze | ==================================================== On Sun, 25 Jun 1995, Warner Losh wrote: > > Then you get into the thornier issues: /etc/rc* and /etc/netstart. > From time to time, things need to be added to these file, and you want > to preserve, as much as possible, the configuration that has been > made here. > > To sum up some very rough ideas: > 1) You need to replace some binaries > 2) You need to patch some files > 3) You need to convert other files > > This doesn't address the "dual boot" issue. In that case, you'd want > to be able to say "Install the system onto that other device, and use > my current system as a template." It also doesn't address the "ooop, > that was stupid, I want to go back now." either. > > Warner > > > > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 09:40:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA25671 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 09:40:31 -0700 Received: from haven.ios.com (haven.ios.com [198.4.75.45]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA25665 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 09:40:28 -0700 Received: (from rashid@localhost) by haven.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA06122 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:43:26 -0400 From: "Rashid Karimov." Message-Id: <199506251643.MAA06122@haven.ios.com> Subject: X server and Diam.St.64VRAM Vision968 + TI 3026 220Mhz RAMDAC - HOW ? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:43:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1364 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Subject: XFree and Diam.Stealth 64VRAM 86C968-P + TI 220Mhz 3026 - HOW ? ? Newsgroups: alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions Organization: Internet Online Services Summary: Keywords: Hi there folx, Sorry for the possible off-topic, but probably some1 here customized S3 server for that particular chipset ( subject) ? Now the X server (s3) exits right after the start with "unknown chipset: 0xfffff01e" error. I've just accessed DIAMOND's WEB site ( very useful , BTW) and found the exact name for the card. It was announced on March 13'th: Utilizing the S3 Vision968 graphics engine and the Texas Instruments 3026, a 220 MHz RAMDAC, the Diamond Stealth 64 Video VRAM supports resolutions of up to 1600x1200, color depths to 24-bit True Color, and provides ergonomic, flicker-free refresh rates of up to 120Hz. High resolutions and high color depths are particularly useful for desktop publishing, document image processing and CAD applications on large screen monitors. Rashid -- ------------------ Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young In the world of magnets and miracles Our thoughts strayed constantly and without boundary The ringing of the division bell had begun ... -=PF, The Division Bell=- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 09:52:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA25891 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 09:52:07 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA25885 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 09:52:06 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA26983; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:50:53 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:50:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199506251650.MAA26983@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Poul-Henning Kamp From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> >Here is the funny shaped conical hat, please go think about what you >> >said for a while <:-). >> > >> I love this "I can demonstrate" stuff. Try the hat on yourself. To get from >> a to b to c requires 2 transmission times at 10mbs (because you have to wait >> for the full frame to arrive, which was what we were talking about) , which >> means that net throughput cannot be greater than 50% of 10mbs. >> > >Why shouldn't I be able to receive the next frame while transmitting the >first one ? > >Recv Frame 1 Recv Frame 2 Recv Frame 3 >------------> ------------> ------------> > Send Frame 1 Send Frame 2 ... > It has nothing to do with receiving while transmitting, it has to do with physical science. Box A ----> Box B (the Ethernet Router) -----> Box C I transmit a frame from Box A to Box B. For simplicity say it takes 100 microseconds to get to point B at 10mbs. I now need to re-transmit the frame to get it to Box C. It takes ANOTHER 100 microseconds to get it to Box C (Assuming no latency). To get from Box A to Box C with a non-specialized controller takes 200 microseconds, or 1/2 the single medium's max throughput. This is the same concept that applies more importantly to WAN communications and the reason for the existance of cell relay to produce higher switching thoughputs. Cells are smaller (53 octets or something for ATM) and forwarding can begin as soon as the first cell is full. This is also exactly why router based networks are slower than switched-protocol networks, because routers lose a transmission time at every hop (although the big guys are starting to do cell switching). This is also why when you chose an internet provider make sure that your provider has high-speed connectivity, because a 56k line to a router with a 56k connection only yields 28k to the "real" net. Dennis From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 10:20:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA26859 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 10:20:35 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA26851 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 10:20:32 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA03360; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:20:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199506251720.LAA03360@rover.village.org> To: Richard Toren Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:28:30 EDT Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:20:15 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk : But in the current case of 2.0.5, possibly the biggest gotcha is the new : disk partitioning / slicing. Upgrading (which I would love to see) : requires that the underlying disk structure and partion sizes are correct : and large enough to hold the new upgrade. You don't have to change your disk partitioning to upgrade, if you ignore the warnings that are printed. Desirable, yes. Required, I don't think so. Upgrading could still happen fairly easily, if you had someplace to stage the upgrade. Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 10:42:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA28186 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 10:42:28 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA28173 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 10:42:24 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA15898; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:42:21 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id TAA03205 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:42:21 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA18260 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:06:27 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506251706.TAA18260@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: 2.05R reboot hangs To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:06:26 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506251512.RAA28252@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph Kukulies" at Jun 25, 95 05:12:41 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 464 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > Hhhmm. I'm seeing this too with one of my systems: > > I type sync ; reboot and after saying 'rebooting' it just hangs. FYI, Rod, there's another report of this kind of things in Usenet right now. I think it's also been an ASUS board, but perhaps you wish to jump in there yourself. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 10:42:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA28203 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 10:42:31 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA28184 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 10:42:27 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA15907; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:42:24 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id TAA03208; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:42:22 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA18276; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:07:32 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506251707.TAA18276@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: missing dict, ends make world To: jmb@kryten.Atinc.COM (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:07:31 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Jun 25, 95 11:34:33 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 321 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > can the makefiles be modified to continue in the event that non-essential > parts of the make fail? What's wrong with ``make -k world''? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 10:44:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA28432 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 10:44:25 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA28421 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 10:44:22 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506251744.KAA28421@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 10:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506251650.MAA26983@mail.htp.com> from "dennis" at Jun 25, 95 12:50:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1785 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >> for the full frame to arrive, which was what we were talking about) , which > >> means that net throughput cannot be greater than 50% of 10mbs. > >> > > > >Why shouldn't I be able to receive the next frame while transmitting the > >first one ? > > > >Recv Frame 1 Recv Frame 2 Recv Frame 3 > >------------> ------------> ------------> > > Send Frame 1 Send Frame 2 ... > > > > It has nothing to do with receiving while transmitting, it has to do with > physical science. > > Box A ----> Box B (the Ethernet Router) -----> Box C > > I transmit a frame from Box A to Box B. For simplicity say it takes 100 > microseconds to get to point B at 10mbs. I now need to re-transmit the > frame to get it to Box C. It takes ANOTHER 100 microseconds to get it to Box > C (Assuming no latency). To get from Box A to Box C with a non-specialized > controller takes 200 microseconds, or 1/2 the single medium's max throughput. Dennis, you are right if we substitute "latency" for "thoughput". Now if you used to be a dinosaur keeper in an SNA network, I can understand the confusion, since SNA, being the mess it is, has a close tie between the two metrics. But no other protocol (except XMODEM, which hardly qualifies as a protocol) has used non-windowed flowcontrol in recent times. No matter what, I award you a third conical hat <<<-:) and suggest you go read a text-book on data communications before you open your big mouth on this subject again. (I can recommend Tannembaums book on the subject.) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 11:06:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA29625 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:06:50 -0700 Received: from virgo.ai.net (root@virgo.ai.net [198.69.44.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA29590 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:06:45 -0700 Received: from aries.ai.net (aries.ai.net [198.69.44.1]) by virgo.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA01553; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 14:08:30 -0400 Received: (from nc@localhost) by aries.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id OAA09712; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 14:06:36 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 14:06:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Coordinator To: dennis cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-Reply-To: <199506251650.MAA26983@mail.htp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > It has nothing to do with receiving while transmitting, it has to do with > physical science. > > Box A ----> Box B (the Ethernet Router) -----> Box C > > I transmit a frame from Box A to Box B. For simplicity say it takes 100 > microseconds to get to point B at 10mbs. I now need to re-transmit the > frame to get it to Box C. It takes ANOTHER 100 microseconds to get it to Box > C (Assuming no latency). To get from Box A to Box C with a non-specialized > controller takes 200 microseconds, or 1/2 the single medium's max throughput. If you are sending 1 packet, yes, it is taking 200 microseconds insteads of 100, so yes thruput is cut in half compared to A->C directly, but the maximum thruput on each line is STILL 100mbps, and if box B could handle it, it could be sending 100 megabits on both wires at the same time. When you are talking about Sending A->B->C you are adding 100 microseconds latency to the arrival of the first packet, and it will take 100 microseconds longer to recieve the last packet, but if you are sending a burst that lasts 2000 seconds [lets say] 100 microseconds latency is less than .000001% "thruput degradation." You would still be getting 100 megabits performance so long as the latency is not significant when compared to the length of the data stream. > This is the same concept that applies more importantly to WAN communications > and the reason for the existance of cell relay to produce higher switching > thoughputs. Cells are smaller (53 octets or something for ATM) and > forwarding can begin as soon as the first cell is full. This is also exactly > why router based networks are slower than switched-protocol networks, > because routers lose a transmission time at every hop (although the big guys > are starting to do cell switching). This is also why when you chose an > internet provider make sure that your provider has high-speed connectivity, > because a 56k line to a router with a 56k connection only yields 28k to the > "real" net. As an ISP, we have set companies up with faster than 40kbaud verified thruput on a DS0 line with a router involved. I know the concept you are trying to discuss, but you are confusing the effect of latency on thruput. -Jerry. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 11:15:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA00297 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:15:11 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA00288 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:15:07 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA16699; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:15:04 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id UAA03517; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:15:04 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA18696; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:55:34 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506251755.TAA18696@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:55:33 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: phk@freefall.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506251650.MAA26983@mail.htp.com> from "dennis" at Jun 25, 95 12:50:53 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1354 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As dennis wrote: > > It has nothing to do with receiving while transmitting, it has to do with > physical science. > > Box A ----> Box B (the Ethernet Router) -----> Box C > > I transmit a frame from Box A to Box B. For simplicity say it takes 100 > microseconds to get to point B at 10mbs. I now need to re-transmit the > frame to get it to Box C. It takes ANOTHER 100 microseconds to get it to Box > C (Assuming no latency). To get from Box A to Box C with a non-specialized > controller takes 200 microseconds, or 1/2 the single medium's max throughput. If your theory were true, no FreeBSD version would never even have arrived here. We've seen propagation delays in the range of 20 seconds to ftp.freebsd.org. The point is that the TCP protocol allows a `window' of pre-sent packets without acknowledge, so it remains `streaming'. (Btw., even UUCP-g did this, for very the same reason.) This way, the propagation delays will only add up as delays, but do not significantly lower the bandwidth. The error in your thinking is that, even though the packet needed 200 µs from A to C, the next packet at C will still arrive after another 100 µs, even though it took 200 µs again to come down from A. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 11:19:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA00632 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:19:18 -0700 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA00626 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:19:14 -0700 Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id NAA28203; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:18:05 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199506251818.NAA28203@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:18:05 -0500 (CDT) Cc: phk@freefall.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506251650.MAA26983@mail.htp.com> from "dennis" at Jun 25, 95 12:50:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >Recv Frame 1 Recv Frame 2 Recv Frame 3 > >------------> ------------> ------------> > > Send Frame 1 Send Frame 2 ... > > > > It has nothing to do with receiving while transmitting, it has to do with > physical science. > > Box A ----> Box B (the Ethernet Router) -----> Box C > > I transmit a frame from Box A to Box B. For simplicity say it takes 100 > microseconds to get to point B at 10mbs. I now need to re-transmit the > frame to get it to Box C. It takes ANOTHER 100 microseconds to get it to Box > C (Assuming no latency). To get from Box A to Box C with a non-specialized > controller takes 200 microseconds, or 1/2 the single medium's max throughput. > > This is the same concept that applies more importantly to WAN communications > and the reason for the existance of cell relay to produce higher switching > thoughputs. Cells are smaller (53 octets or something for ATM) and > forwarding can begin as soon as the first cell is full. This is also exactly > why router based networks are slower than switched-protocol networks, > because routers lose a transmission time at every hop (although the big guys > are starting to do cell switching). This is also why when you chose an > internet provider make sure that your provider has high-speed connectivity, > because a 56k line to a router with a 56k connection only yields 28k to the > "real" net. Bull. You are taking a worst case scenario and forgetting that the average case is not worst case. You obviously have a good grasp of the fact that there is additional latency in delivery introduced by a router. This much is true! And when you shoot a single packet to a remote host, and it replies back to you, there is a further delay in delivery of the response - and it increases for each and every router between A and B. That's a very important concept to understand when dealing with "synchronous" IP protocols (think: NFS) because it effectively slows you down for obvious reasons. In the worst case, you end up with a scenario like you paint: Recv Frame 1 Recv Frame 2 ------------> ------------> ------------> Send Frame 1 ... But ONLY because of the send-acknowledge protocol that NFS uses.. However, TCP was designed with this fact in mind, and starts sending more frames before any acknowledgement of previous frames is received. (Good UDP based protocols can also take advantage of it, using the same technique). Recv Frame 1 Recv Frame 2 Recv Frame 3 ------------> ------------> ------------> Send Frame 1 Send Frame 2 ... There is *still* an additional delay caused for *each* packet, but in the bigger picture, this does not limit either wire to half the bandwidth. This is sort of like an argument I once heard in a CS class, where the lecturer was dealing with O() concepts. There are algorithms which may take O(1) to O(n) on a per-instance basis, but when amortized over many uses, ends up averaging O(log(n)) or some other in-between value. You are essentially arguing that because there is an O(n) case, *every* case is an O(n) case, even though in reality it ends up being much better than that for most uses. Definitely for average usage (ftp, www, telnet, etc.), you are not limited in the manner you are suggesting. On the 56k/56k thing: You are likely to get your 28k, but for an entirely different reason: if you run a 56k to a provider with a 56k, you are *sharing bandwidth*. If you were not, the provider would be charging you his costs for his 56k PLUS his operational expenses, and it would be cheaper for you to bypass the provider entirely and go to his source. Instead, you are sharing bandwidth with (potentially many other) people, all of whom are beating on the provider's 56k... :-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 11:22:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA00736 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:22:29 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA00730 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:22:25 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA01779; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:22:44 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506251822.LAA01779@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Cc: imp@village.org, terry@cs.weber.edu, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, peter@bonkers.taronga.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <12117.804091510@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 25, 95 03:45:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1121 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > : Then you can overwrite all the rc.* scripts or whatever to your heart's > > : content. > > > > Things are close now, but need someone who is rather "retentive" to go > > through and separate it out. > > That's Rod, and he's doing it now.. :-) I am sorry for being so slow on this, but my move has set me back quite a bit farther than I had planned. [Jordan can probably start to appreciate this in a week or two once he gets back and starts to try and operate and finds he can't find a bloody damn thing!] I have about 12 pending changes to the /etc/sysconfig and related scripts, some intergrated and tested on my box, others needing some clean up, others needing some testing to make sure what is being done actually works well. I have other promised commitments as well that have slipped, ie the sup target set for -stable. [I hope today on that one, but I must get this last bedroom ready to texture TODAY as I need the operating space badly.] -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 11:33:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA01078 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:33:37 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA01071 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:33:34 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA01805; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:33:43 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506251833.LAA01805@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506251605.MAA26785@mail.htp.com> from "dennis" at Jun 25, 95 12:05:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 748 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > R. Grimes writes..... > > >The SMC 9332 EtherPower 10/100 is a bus master device with no memory > >on it at all. It uses host memory for packet buffers and for all > >practical purposes this can be as much memory as you want to through > >at it! > > > As long as you can get the bus. You don't want this on a 100mbs media > device. The card (or controller) needs some buffering or you'll be in > trouble with a heavy burst. I don't think that a 10MByte a second memory demand is going to have much of a problem at all on a 132MB/sec (theroy) or 100MByte/sec (measured) bus like PCI. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 11:38:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA01233 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:38:01 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA01223 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:37:56 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA01836; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:38:03 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506251838.LAA01836@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: X server and Diam.St.64VRAM Vision968 + TI 3026 220Mhz RAMDAC - HOW ? To: rashid@haven.ios.com (Rashid Karimov.) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506251643.MAA06122@haven.ios.com> from "Rashid Karimov." at Jun 25, 95 12:43:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 668 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Subject: XFree and Diam.Stealth 64VRAM 86C968-P + TI 220Mhz 3026 - HOW ? ? > Newsgroups: alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions > Organization: Internet Online Services > Summary: > Keywords: > > > Hi there folx, > > Sorry for the possible off-topic, but probably some1 here customized > S3 server for that particular chipset ( subject) ? Wait for the next release of XFree86 (or ask the XFree86 folks) there is support in 3.1.1A and later for this card, but I don't know if that is a public release yet. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 11:40:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA01365 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:40:38 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA01359 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:40:35 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA01851; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:40:50 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506251840.LAA01851@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Cc: phk@freefall.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506251650.MAA26983@mail.htp.com> from "dennis" at Jun 25, 95 12:50:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1483 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > >> >Here is the funny shaped conical hat, please go think about what you > >> >said for a while <:-). > >> > > >> I love this "I can demonstrate" stuff. Try the hat on yourself. To get from > >> a to b to c requires 2 transmission times at 10mbs (because you have to wait > >> for the full frame to arrive, which was what we were talking about) , which > >> means that net throughput cannot be greater than 50% of 10mbs. > >> > > > >Why shouldn't I be able to receive the next frame while transmitting the > >first one ? > > > >Recv Frame 1 Recv Frame 2 Recv Frame 3 > >------------> ------------> ------------> > > Send Frame 1 Send Frame 2 ... > > > > It has nothing to do with receiving while transmitting, it has to do with > physical science. > > Box A ----> Box B (the Ethernet Router) -----> Box C > > I transmit a frame from Box A to Box B. For simplicity say it takes 100 > microseconds to get to point B at 10mbs. I now need to re-transmit the ... Your are seriously confusing latency with throughput. I agree that we will see a 200uS latency for your sensario, but that does not necessarily make the throughput 1/200uS*packetsize. Latency does not effect throughput for non acked data streams and may not effect it for acked data streams if the window size is such that the pipe is kept full. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 11:47:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA01536 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:47:06 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA01529 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:47:03 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA01917 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:47:21 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506251847.LAA01917@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 2.05R reboot hangs To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:47:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199506251706.TAA18260@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 25, 95 07:06:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1459 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > As Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > > > Hhhmm. I'm seeing this too with one of my systems: > > > > I type sync ; reboot and after saying 'rebooting' it just hangs. > > FYI, Rod, there's another report of this kind of things in Usenet > right now. I think it's also been an ASUS board, but perhaps you wish > to jump in there yourself. I have no easy access to usenet, nor the time to even wade in and try and find this stuff in the massave volumes. If you see people having this hang problem with 2.0.5A or later could you please have them try the ``BROKEN_KEYBOARD_RESET'' option, that has fixed about 50 to 75% of the reports I have seen. The other 50 to 25% are the bear and I am trying to collect some data on the failure (one case it fails both mechanisms and I have given the person a third mechanism to try out, waiting to here back on that one). This problem has actually been around for a long time (machines that would not detect a CPU shutdown cycle have always hung during the reboot). I don't know if I have made the problem worse or better though with my keyboard reset, as that now seems to hang machines that did not hang before. Perhaps I should reverse the logic of the #ifdef and only use the keyboard reset on machines that have broken cpu shutdown detection. Comments? -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 11:48:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA01572 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:48:21 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAB01566 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:48:19 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA01942; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:48:14 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506251848.LAA01942@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: missing dict, ends make world To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jmb@kryten.atinc.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199506251707.TAA18276@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 25, 95 07:07:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 539 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > As Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > > > > can the makefiles be modified to continue in the event that non-essential > > parts of the make fail? > > What's wrong with ``make -k world''? A very good way to spam up a box, and often fails if the shared libraries changed significantly. Please, do not run make -k world, it may install really bogus binaries on your system!!!! -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 11:52:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA01872 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:52:37 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA01865 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:52:34 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA05369 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:35:38 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA15115; 25 Jun 95 13:34:56 CDT (Sun) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA15112; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:34:56 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199506251834.NAA15112@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:34:55 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506251559.LAA26654@mail.htp.com> from "dennis" at Jun 25, 95 11:59:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 351 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I love this "I can demonstrate" stuff. Try the hat on yourself. To get from > a to b to c requires 2 transmission times at 10mbs (because you have to wait > for the full frame to arrive, which was what we were talking about) , which > means that net throughput cannot be greater than 50% of 10mbs. I think you're confusing latency with throughput. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 11:52:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA01908 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:52:49 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA01891 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:52:45 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA05407 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:42:12 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA15151; 25 Jun 95 13:41:29 CDT (Sun) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA15148; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:41:28 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199506251841.NAA15148@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:41:28 -0500 (CDT) Cc: phk@freefall.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506251650.MAA26983@mail.htp.com> from "dennis" at Jun 25, 95 12:50:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 797 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > are starting to do cell switching). This is also why when you chose an > internet provider make sure that your provider has high-speed connectivity, > because a 56k line to a router with a 56k connection only yields 28k to the > "real" net. You're still confusing latency with throughput. Even on a single connection: interface 1 interface 2 packet 1 comes in idle packet 2 comes in packet 1 comes out packet 3 comes in packet 2 comes out ... packet N comes in packet N-1 comes out idle packet N comes out Latency, t(packet). Total elapsed time, t = t(packet)*(N+1). Total throughput, T = T(interface)*(N/(N+1)). So, for a single packet, thoughput is halved. For an FTP session involving 10,000 packets, throughput is reduced by 1/10001. Latency remains t(packet). From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 11:57:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA02365 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:57:19 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA02350 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:57:08 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA12744; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:57:36 +0100 To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG (Jordan K. Hubbard), imp@village.org, terry@cs.weber.edu, peter@bonkers.taronga.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:22:44 PDT." <199506251822.LAA01779@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:57:36 +0100 Message-ID: <12742.804106656@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I am sorry for being so slow on this, but my move has set me back > quite a bit farther than I had planned. [Jordan can probably > start to appreciate this in a week or two once he gets back and > starts to try and operate and finds he can't find a bloody damn > thing!] Actually, I'm lucky.. I've already had a year to set up a completely independent operating environment over there, so I actually don't need _any_ of the Irish stuff to function.. :-) Not that I won't be glad to have my CD collection back.. Those 15 CDs I've been playing for a year have started to wear a bit thin on my ears.. Now I have over 400 to listen to! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 12:13:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA03211 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:13:37 -0700 Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA03204 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:13:34 -0700 Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA07494; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:12:59 -0400 From: A boy and his worm gear Message-Id: <199506251912.PAA07494@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: 2.05R reboot hangs To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506251847.LAA01917@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 25, 95 11:47:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2552 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Of all the gin joints in all the world, Rodney W. Grimes had to walk into mine and say: [lots of discussion about failed system resets] > This problem has actually been around for a long time (machines that > would not detect a CPU shutdown cycle have always hung during the > reboot). I don't know if I have made the problem worse or better > though with my keyboard reset, as that now seems to hang machines > that did not hang before. Perhaps I should reverse the logic of > the #ifdef and only use the keyboard reset on machines that have > broken cpu shutdown detection. > > Comments? > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD I have a thought. I may be barking up the wrong tree here, and for all I know this could be impossible, but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to ask. I seem to recall reading somewhere that there's a BIOS routine that can be used for rebooting the system. Now, I know using BIOS calls is a no-no without a VM86 interface of some kind, but what I'm wondering is if it's possible to force the system back into real mode just long enough to call the BIOS reboot routine. I've been reluctant to suggest this since I don't know a) how easy it would be to do a 'quick and dirty' switch back to real mode, b) if it's even _possible_ to switch back to real mode this late in the game, c) whether or not the BIOS reset call exists or if it's just a figment of my imagination or d) if it does exist, does it reset the system correctly (i.e. will it cause all hardware to be reset properly). My reasoning is that the BIOS reset function should be reasonably reliable ("It works in DOS" and all that crap). And since we're about to kill the system anyway, maybe it wouldn't be that hard to jam the system back into real mode for the purpose of this one call (we don't necessarily have to be that neat about it since we don't ever intend to return). So, am I nuts, or am I nuts? -Bill -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~T~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Møøse Illuminati: ignore it and be confused, or join it and be confusing! ~~~~~~ "Welcome to All Things BSDish! If it's not BSDish, it's crap!" ~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 12:23:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA03634 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:23:58 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA03622 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:23:55 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA02095; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:23:59 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506251923.MAA02095@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 2.05R reboot hangs To: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (A boy and his worm gear) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506251912.PAA07494@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> from "A boy and his worm gear" at Jun 25, 95 03:12:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2704 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Of all the gin joints in all the world, Rodney W. Grimes had to walk > into mine and say: > > [lots of discussion about failed system resets] > > > This problem has actually been around for a long time (machines that > > would not detect a CPU shutdown cycle have always hung during the > > reboot). I don't know if I have made the problem worse or better > > though with my keyboard reset, as that now seems to hang machines > > that did not hang before. Perhaps I should reverse the logic of > > the #ifdef and only use the keyboard reset on machines that have > > broken cpu shutdown detection. > > > > Comments? > > -- > > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > > Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD > > I have a thought. I may be barking up the wrong tree here, and for all I > know this could be impossible, but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to ask. > > I seem to recall reading somewhere that there's a BIOS routine that > can be used for rebooting the system. Now, I know using BIOS calls is a > no-no without a VM86 interface of some kind, but what I'm wondering > is if it's possible to force the system back into real mode just long > enough to call the BIOS reboot routine. It is allmost impossible at this time to go back to real mode, which is what would be needed to call the BOIS reboot routine. The problem is we have no page that is mapped physical==linear with kernel code in it (that is what is required to go back to real mode). > I've been reluctant to suggest this since I don't know a) how easy it > would be to do a 'quick and dirty' switch back to real mode, b) if it's > even _possible_ to switch back to real mode this late in the game, > c) whether or not the BIOS reset call exists or if it's just a figment > of my imagination or d) if it does exist, does it reset the system > correctly (i.e. will it cause all hardware to be reset properly). > > My reasoning is that the BIOS reset function should be reasonably reliable > ("It works in DOS" and all that crap). And since we're about to kill the > system anyway, maybe it wouldn't be that hard to jam the system back into > real mode for the purpose of this one call (we don't necessarily have > to be that neat about it since we don't ever intend to return). > > So, am I nuts, or am I nuts? Your not so nuts, but it is something very hard to do at this time. Something that does need to be fixed though, we really do need a way back to true real mode (not just VM86). -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 12:31:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA03890 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:31:01 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA03884 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:31:00 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA00420 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:30:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199506251930.MAA00420@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Caldera Network Desktop In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jun 1995 00:06:51 BST." <28436.804035211@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:30:57 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Oh No, Ray Noorda is a linux fanatic ! :) Excerpt from the San Francisco Chronicle on companies that Ray Noorda has helped fund: "The include Caldera Inc., a Salt Lake-area firm Noorda helped start that is making a commerical version of the Linux operating system for workstations and advanced personal computers. Linux is unique because it has been developed by people working together over the Internet" Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 12:34:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA04080 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:34:30 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA04073 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:34:26 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA03700; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:34:11 -0600 Message-Id: <199506251934.NAA03700@rover.village.org> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:22:44 PDT Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:34:11 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [[ Cc's trimmed to Rod and hackers ]] : I have about 12 pending changes to the /etc/sysconfig and related : scripts, some intergrated and tested on my box, others needing some : clean up, others needing some testing to make sure what is being : done actually works well. One idea that I had was something like this: If you ship a "template" /etc/sysconfig, called /etc/sysconfig.tmpl that looks like: # # blah blah blah blahflags=%blahflags% # bar bar bar bar baz bong! barflags=%barflags% then you could fairly easily edit that file between releases. What does that buy you? Well, if you were to also have a /etc/sysconfig.default for each release, you could generate the /etc/sysconfig automatically by having a shell script thta looked something like (this is for illustration purposes only): #!/bin/sh mv /etc/sysconfig /etc/sysconfig.old . /etc/sysconfig.default . /etc/sysconfig.old cmd= for i in `cat /etc/sysconfig.vars`; do cmd="$cmd;s/%$i%/${$i}/g" done sed -e "$cmd" < /etc/sysconfig.template > /etc/sysconfig That way, you'd get the default values, with the user's current values overriding them (in case things get added, you'll want this), and you'd have the /etc/sysconfig file be upgradible. A more elegant solution would use m4, but not cpp, since it isn't well suited for things like this. Yes, Imake has been made to work for the X world, and it works relatively well, but much time and heartache would have been avoided if they had gone the m4 route, IMHO. This from someone who has actually written a full set of Imake template files for the last company I worked for. The sendmail config files are also a pain, but less of a pain than imake files. The only down side to this approach is that comments in /etc/sysconfig would be lost. This may or may not be acceptible. Oh, if you added additional system parameters that the template didn't know about, then you'd also lose those. I do agree with the /etc/fstab, /etc/ttys, /etc/gettytab, etc comments that Rod made as well. They should be separate files, since separate programs use them. /etc/sysconfig should be for all shell scripts started from /etc/rc. One additional problem is /etc/rc.local. I don't recall what is shipped by default, but I seem to recall that there was some code in that file that should be preserved in an upgrade. By its very nature, it is hard to quantify its contents in an /etc/sysconfig way. Comments? Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 12:43:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA04430 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:43:28 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA04397 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:42:54 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA03772; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:42:37 -0600 Message-Id: <199506251942.NAA03772@rover.village.org> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:44:29 BST Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:42:36 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk : Dual boot, no and possibly never. The "oops, I want to go back now" : was covered in my previous message. I'm curious why dual boot is a "no and possibly never"? Windows NT can install itself in such a way as I can boot either 3.1 or 3.5. This is useful for testing to see if the new OS is sane enough (like running make on the programs that you are developing, eg) and gives you a way to back out quickly to a known good level. Right now I have a 2.0.5R and 2.0R dual boot situation setup since I can't afford to have my world badly broken. One or two things broke with 2.0.5R, so I'm waiting for the 2.0.5 cd to upgrade, since it will likely be after my release schedule reaches a sane place. They were likely my fauly, but I didn't have enough time to track down the causes, and just rebooted 2.0R. True, I need two disks to do that, but now that there are slices, I don't see a technical barrier to having multiple BSD systems on one disk (maybe I'm blind to something, however). For R releases, it is no big deal, but for the SNAPs it is a much bigger deal, since they are by definition more unstable than an R release (put more precicely, the quality of SNAPs varies to a large degree, some are solid, others are flakey. The R releases are basically solid). Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 12:53:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA05148 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:53:37 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA05142 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:53:35 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA00653 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:53:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199506251953.MAA00653@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Calling all Vat users :) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:53:33 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk If you are a Vat user please send me e-mail. I would like to collect a list of a mbone capable users for general discussions and to iron out bugs, issues with the multi-media apps, distribute the work load. And who knows maybe even collect enough info so we can eliminate vat, Yes we really need a native port! Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 13:06:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA05686 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:06:03 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA05677 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:05:56 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <30744>; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:06:25 +0100 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:06:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: dennis cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-Reply-To: <199506251650.MAA26983@mail.htp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 25 Jun 1995, dennis wrote: > internet provider make sure that your provider has high-speed connectivity, > because a 56k line to a router with a 56k connection only yields 28k to the > "real" net. Not true. I temporarily extended a 56k line once through two load balanced 28.8k dial lines. FTP transfers of gzip'ped binaries was always around 5K/s. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 13:36:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA06314 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:36:22 -0700 Received: from ben.octet.com (ben.octet.com [198.6.71.55]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA06308 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:36:18 -0700 Received: (from ilya@localhost) by ben.octet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA00572; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 16:25:15 GMT Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 16:25:15 +0000 () From: Ilya Ravich To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Need driver for unsupported (?) ethernet card. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I just bought a pair of AirLan wireless ISA 16-bit ethernet cards... Hooked them up, configured (under DOS) as 0x300/IRQ 5, and ran a test... Works fine (again, under DOS), but whenever I boot FreeBSD 2.0 (Generic) the card does not get recognized. Does anyone have a driver for AirLan (produced by Solectek), and if not, what do I need to write one? Please help -- I need to get this working yesterday. Ilya From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 14:14:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA07709 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 14:14:00 -0700 Received: from blob.best.net (blob.best.net [204.156.128.88]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA07703 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 14:13:55 -0700 Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA02124 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 14:12:47 -0700 Received: from geli.clusternet (rcarter.vip.best.com [204.156.137.2]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA13838 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 14:12:29 -0700 Received: (from rcarter@localhost) by geli.clusternet (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA01741 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 14:11:53 -0700 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 14:11:53 -0700 From: "Russell L. Carter" Message-Id: <199506252111.OAA01741@geli.clusternet> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk |> R. Grimes writes..... |> |> >The SMC 9332 EtherPower 10/100 is a bus master device with no memory |> >on it at all. It uses host memory for packet buffers and for all |> >practical purposes this can be as much memory as you want to through |> >at it! |> > |> As long as you can get the bus. You don't want this on a 100mbs media |> device. The card (or controller) needs some buffering or you'll be in |> trouble with a heavy burst. | |I don't think that a 10MByte a second memory demand is going to have |much of a problem at all on a 132MB/sec (theroy) or 100MByte/sec (measured) |bus like PCI. Well, that 100 MBytes/sec was mem to mem, right? Not going through the bus to a device. For that the best I've ever heard of with the current generation PCI chipsets is 18 MBytes/sec. If anybody knows of device<->mem faster than 18 MBytes/sec I would appreciate a pointer to it. Russell From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 14:30:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA08319 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 14:30:14 -0700 Received: from mercury.unt.edu (mercury.unt.edu [129.120.1.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA08313 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 14:30:10 -0700 Received: from gab.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA22210 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 16:30:03 -0500 Received: from GAB/SpoolDir by gab.unt.edu (Mercury 1.13); Sun, 25 Jun 95 16:30:03 CST6CDT Received: from SpoolDir by GAB (Mercury 1.13); Sun, 25 Jun 95 16:29:52 CST6CDT From: "John Booth" Organization: University of North Texas To: Richard Toren Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 16:29:52 CST6CDT Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <4DCFB26AED@gab.unt.edu> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > But in the current case of 2.0.5, possibly the biggest gotcha is the new > disk partitioning / slicing. Upgrading (which I would love to see) > requires that the underlying disk structure and partion sizes are correct > and large enough to hold the new upgrade. Well, this may be a "no no". But I upgraded my 3-22 2.0 Snap machine and upgraded it to 2.05R by booting into single user mode and extracting the binaries over the current setup (after backing up etc). Seems to be working ok. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- College of Arts & Sciences Computing Services John A. Booth, john@gab.unt.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 14:55:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA08939 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 14:55:31 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA08933 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 14:55:29 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA11980; Sun, 25 Jun 95 15:48:28 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506252148.AA11980@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 95 15:48:27 MDT Cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506251934.NAA03700@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Jun 25, 95 01:34:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > One additional problem is /etc/rc.local. I don't recall what is > shipped by default, but I seem to recall that there was some code in > that file that should be preserved in an upgrade. By its very nature, > it is hard to quantify its contents in an /etc/sysconfig way. > > Comments? Yeah. Nothing that can't be overwritten should be in /etc. The sysconfig stuf should go in /var. /var is per machine. We are getting ourselves signed up for a file system standard, it should be done correctly. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 15:15:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA09845 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:15:11 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA09837 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:15:09 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA12050; Sun, 25 Jun 95 16:08:05 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506252208.AA12050@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: 2.05R reboot hangs To: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (A boy and his worm gear) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 95 16:08:04 MDT Cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506251912.PAA07494@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> from "A boy and his worm gear" at Jun 25, 95 03:12:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I have a thought. I may be barking up the wrong tree here, and for all I > know this could be impossible, but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to ask. > > I seem to recall reading somewhere that there's a BIOS routine that > can be used for rebooting the system. Now, I know using BIOS calls is a > no-no without a VM86 interface of some kind, but what I'm wondering > is if it's possible to force the system back into real mode just long > enough to call the BIOS reboot routine. This is the keyboard reset line. That's the "BIOS" call. It's the standard way rests are done (it's how DOS fdisk did it). > I've been reluctant to suggest this since I don't know a) how easy it > would be to do a 'quick and dirty' switch back to real mode, b) if it's > even _possible_ to switch back to real mode this late in the game, > c) whether or not the BIOS reset call exists or if it's just a figment > of my imagination or d) if it does exist, does it reset the system > correctly (i.e. will it cause all hardware to be reset properly). > > My reasoning is that the BIOS reset function should be reasonably reliable > ("It works in DOS" and all that crap). And since we're about to kill the > system anyway, maybe it wouldn't be that hard to jam the system back into > real mode for the purpose of this one call (we don't necessarily have > to be that neat about it since we don't ever intend to return). > > So, am I nuts, or am I nuts? You're partly nuts. The problem with the keyboard reset code is (apparently) that the gate A20 has not been reenabled. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 15:27:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA10559 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:27:53 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA10553 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:27:51 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA12088; Sun, 25 Jun 95 16:20:57 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506252220.AA12088@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Caldera Network Desktop To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 95 16:20:56 MDT Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506251930.MAA00420@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Jun 25, 95 12:30:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Oh No, Ray Noorda is a linux fanatic ! :) No, he's an entrepeneur. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 15:31:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA10782 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:31:47 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA10776 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:31:43 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id SAA18595; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 18:23:38 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 18:23:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: missing dict, ends make world To: Joerg Wunsch cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199506251707.TAA18276@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 25 Jun 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > As Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > > > > can the makefiles be modified to continue in the event that non-essential > > parts of the make fail? > > What's wrong with ``make -k world''? nothing at all. for the papers and the dictionary and other non-code items perhaps it > > -- > cheers, J"org > > joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) > Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 15:44:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA11031 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:44:36 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA11025 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:44:33 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA04173; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 16:44:19 -0600 Message-Id: <199506252244.QAA04173@rover.village.org> To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP Cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:48:27 MDT Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 16:44:18 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk : Yeah. Nothing that can't be overwritten should be in /etc. So things like /etc/fstab, /etc/gettytab, /etc/ttys should be moved? Is that what you are saying? I thought /etc was per machine also. For the update scheme, I don't care where things live, I'm more interested in the mechanics. Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 15:51:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA11221 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:51:49 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA11214 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:51:42 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA04253; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 16:51:14 -0600 Message-Id: <199506252251.QAA04253@rover.village.org> To: Tom Samplonius Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router Cc: dennis , Poul-Henning Kamp , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:06:14 PDT Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 16:51:13 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk : > internet provider make sure that your provider has high-speed connectivity, : > because a 56k line to a router with a 56k connection only yields 28k to the : > "real" net. Tom is right. I think Dennis is confusing latency with throughput... Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 15:57:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA11373 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:57:10 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA11361 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:57:06 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id IAA08952; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:53:31 +1000 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:53:31 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506252253.IAA08952@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu Subject: Re: 2.05R reboot hangs Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >I seem to recall reading somewhere that there's a BIOS routine that >can be used for rebooting the system. Now, I know using BIOS calls is a I couldn't find a standard one in the Interrupt List. There is INT 19h for the bootstrap loader, but it is unusable even from DOS because it doesn't unhook hooked vectors. >no-no without a VM86 interface of some kind, but what I'm wondering >is if it's possible to force the system back into real mode just long >enough to call the BIOS reboot routine. If you put everything back into real mode exactly as it was at boot time, then even INT 19h will work. `jmp 0xffff:0xfff0' probably only requires putting the processor into an 8088'ish mode: no speical stuff in cr0 (paging, protection, ...) and segment selectors that make sense in real mode. The BIOS reset routine should handle gateA20. >I've been reluctant to suggest this since I don't know a) how easy it >would be to do a 'quick and dirty' switch back to real mode, b) if it's Very easy :-). The bootstrap does it for every keystroke. Paging complicates things a bit but all ix86 manuals document the procedure in detail. >even _possible_ to switch back to real mode this late in the game, >c) whether or not the BIOS reset call exists or if it's just a figment >of my imagination or d) if it does exist, does it reset the system >correctly (i.e. will it cause all hardware to be reset properly). There's no way to reset all hardware properly, even for warm boots under DOS. Some BIOS's don't even reset serial ports that they support. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 16:40:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA12496 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 16:40:24 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA12488 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 16:40:19 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA10041; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:37:34 +1000 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:37:34 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506252337.JAA10041@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: terry@cs.weber.edu, wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu Subject: Re: 2.05R reboot hangs Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> I seem to recall reading somewhere that there's a BIOS routine that >> can be used for rebooting the system. Now, I know using BIOS calls is a >> ... >This is the keyboard reset line. That's the "BIOS" call. It's the >standard way rests are done (it's how DOS fdisk did it). XTs don't have a BIOS reset. Jumping to the reset vector is the only way for them. fdisk might try both, or something more clever depending on what it is running on. >The problem with the keyboard reset code is (apparently) that the >gate A20 has not been reenabled. Disabled? This seems likely. The linear reset address is not 0xF000:0xFFF0 or whatever I said before; it is actually %eip = 0x0000fff0 + base(%cs) = 0xffff0000 = 0xfffffff0 This has A20 and other high bits set, so it works properly iff the ROM is shadowed in high memory at all times. Does GateA20 control A21-31? Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 17:01:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA12937 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 17:01:03 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA12930 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 17:00:52 -0700 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA13537 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 01:01:14 +0100 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 01:01:14 +0100 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199506260001.BAA13537@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Well, I'm stumped.. [ij-ppp] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Tonite, after adding a whole batch of afilters and dfilters (as per suggestion) I went back to auto mode and went out to dinner after reading my mail. Here's what I found in my ppp log when I came back: 06-25 19:52:07 [12692] CCP: LayerFinish. 06-25 19:52:07 [12692] CCP: state change Req-Sent --> Stopped 06-26 00:08:44 [12692] Idle timer expired. 06-26 00:08:44 [12692] LCP: LayerDown 06-26 00:08:44 [12692] OsLinkdown: 194.9.34.254 06-26 00:08:44 [12692] Phase: Terminate As you can see, the silly thing stayed up for *4 hours* before finally going down! I have the following in my /etc/ppp/ppp.conf file: default: set device /dev/cuaa3 set speed 38400 disable lqr deny lqr set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \"\" ATE1Q0M1 OK-AT-OK \\dATD T\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT" set afilter 0 deny icmp set afilter 1 deny udp src eq 53 set afilter 2 deny udp dst eq 53 set afilter 3 deny udp src eq 520 set afilter 4 deny udp dst eq 520 set afilter 5 deny udp src eq 123 set afilter 6 deny udp dst eq 123 set afilter 7 permit 0/0 0/0 # # Don't dial with ICMP, DNS, RIP, NTP packet # set dfilter 0 deny icmp set dfilter 1 deny udp src eq 53 set dfilter 2 deny udp dst eq 53 # include DNS zone transfer request via TCP set dfilter 3 deny tcp src eq 53 set dfilter 4 deny tcp dst eq 53 set dfilter 5 deny udp src eq 520 set dfilter 6 deny udp dst eq 520 set dfilter 7 deny udp src eq 123 set dfilter 8 deny udp dst eq 123 set dfilter 9 permit 0/0 0/0 set timeout 60 eireann: Heck, even if the timeout wasn't parsed somehow in the default rule you'd still think that the default timeout of 360 would have been applied! Instead, it stayed up for 240 minutes and wasted a significant amount of phone charges. Needless to say, I'm going back to non-auto mode, but I really think that there's a problem here at this point and that it's not just me. Any suggestions? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 17:06:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA13190 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 17:06:36 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA13175 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 17:06:21 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA13567; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 01:06:43 +0100 To: Warner Losh cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:42:36 MDT." <199506251942.NAA03772@rover.village.org> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 01:06:42 +0100 Message-ID: <13565.804125202@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I'm curious why dual boot is a "no and possibly never"? Windows NT > can install itself in such a way as I can boot either 3.1 or 3.5. > This is useful for testing to see if the new OS is sane enough (like > running make on the programs that you are developing, eg) and gives > you a way to back out quickly to a known good level. Just the amount of work involved is all. You can't have 2 FreeBSD slices on a disk and boot from the second one as the boot code is too stupid to understand that you might want to boot from something other than the first one it finds. If you can think of a way of making dual-boot work in all possible scenarios, then I'm certainly not adverse.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 17:20:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA14089 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 17:20:13 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA14083 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 17:20:11 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA13048; Sun, 25 Jun 95 18:13:12 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506260013.AA13048@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 95 18:13:11 MDT Cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506252244.QAA04173@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Jun 25, 95 04:44:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > : Yeah. Nothing that can't be overwritten should be in /etc. > > So things like /etc/fstab, /etc/gettytab, /etc/ttys should be moved? > Is that what you are saying? I thought /etc was per machine also. They're less important than, say, machine network configuration information. In many cases of client machines, these will be identical. In the cases they're not, they can be symlinks, so it's not that much of a problem. > For the update scheme, I don't care where things live, I'm more > interested in the mechanics. Me neither; the mechanics I'd like to promote is a mini-root type install, ala Sun. That way, the recovery process that people want the static binaries for will actually be equally easy with dynamic binaries. 8-). The main issues are the ability to pick default configurations (client/server/standalone/diskless/dataless/etc.) and to upgrade by clobbering everything but the config data. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 17:24:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA14327 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 17:24:08 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA14319 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 17:24:05 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA13065; Sun, 25 Jun 95 18:16:41 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506260016.AA13065@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: 2.05R reboot hangs To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 95 18:16:41 MDT Cc: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu, hackers@freebsd.org, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com In-Reply-To: <199506252337.JAA10041@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 26, 95 09:37:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Disabled? This seems likely. The linear reset address is not > 0xF000:0xFFF0 or whatever I said before; it is actually > > %eip = 0x0000fff0 + > base(%cs) = 0xffff0000 > = 0xfffffff0 > > This has A20 and other high bits set, so it works properly iff the ROM > is shadowed in high memory at all times. Does GateA20 control A21-31? I think it wraps continuously instead of just once. That's a "yes". The shadowing isn't guaranteed (I don't think). There is also the (potential) isue of lo core data used in the reset. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 18:12:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA15222 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 18:12:09 -0700 Received: from specgw.spec.co.jp (specgw.spec.co.jp [202.32.13.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA15208 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 18:12:04 -0700 Received: from tama3.spec.co.jp (tama3 [202.32.13.252]) by specgw.spec.co.jp (8.6.5/3.3Wb-SPEC) with SMTP id KAA06938; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:07:21 +0900 Message-Id: <9506260117.AA00068@tama3.spec.co.jp.spec.co.jp> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:17:18 +0900 From: Atsushi Murai To: jkh@freebsd.org Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone else see this with ijppp? In-Reply-To: <11919.804090358@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> X-Mailer: AL-Mail 0.94Beta Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: :> Just one question for you. Are you running the named even you did set :> up above order for resolving hostname ? I can't comment out as right : :Nope, not running named at all. How about routed ? Anyway could you make a trap by tcpdump for tunnel device ? : Jordan Atsushi -- Atsushi Murai E-Mail: amurai@spec.co.jp SPEC Voice : +81-3-3833-5341 System Planning and Engineering Corp. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 18:34:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA15636 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 18:34:03 -0700 Received: from eldorado.net-tel.co.uk (eldorado.net-tel.co.uk [193.122.171.253]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA15630 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 18:33:58 -0700 From: Andrew.Gordon@net-tel.co.uk Received: (from root@localhost) by eldorado.net-tel.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.10) id CAA17097 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 02:33:23 +0100 X400-Received: by mta "eldorado" in "/PRMD=net-tel/ADMD=gold 400/C=gb/"; Relayed; Mon, 26 Jun 95 2:33:13 +0100 X400-Received: by mta "net-tel cambridge" in "/PRMD=net-tel/ADMD=gold 400/C=gb/"; Relayed; Mon, 26 Jun 95 1:33:11 +0000 X400-Received: by "/PRMD=Net-Tel/ADMD=Gold 400/C=GB/"; Relayed; Mon, 26 Jun 95 2:32:12 +0100 X400-MTS-Identifier: ["/PRMD=Net-Tel/ADMD=Gold 400/C=GB/";monorail:7738-950626013212-BA25] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) X400-Originator: Andrew.Gordon@net-tel.co.uk Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text X400-Recipients: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 26 Jun 95 2:32:12 +0100 Content-Identifier: NFS file locking Message-Id: <"monorail:7738-950626013212-BA25*/G=Andrew/S=Gordon/O=Net-Tel Computer Systems Ltd/PRMD=NET-TEL/ADMD=Gold 400/C=GB/"@MHS> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: NFS file locking Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I just installed a new FreeBSD box to replace our old (slowly dying) NFS fileserver. Unfortunately, I discover that FreeBSD does not have rpc.statd nor rpc.lockd - which didn't matter as a client, but causes indigestion to our other clients when FreeBSD is used as a server: Jun 26 01:51:31 hst rpc.statd[177]: rpc.statd: cannot talk to statd at monorail Jun 26 01:52:16 hst last message repeated 3 times So: 1) Am I right in believing that this stuff doesn't exist in FreeBSD 2.0.5? (seems like it, from looking at previous discussion in the lists archive) 2) Any work-in-progress that I might assist with? Or any previous discussion of how this ought to be implemented in FreeBSD? 3) If not, any pointers to the spec so I can have a go at implementing from scratch? If I can just dummy up the protocol to keep the other machines happy, I would be back in business, and one step on the way to doing the whole job. Any info/ideas greatfully received.... Andrew. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 18:37:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA15828 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 18:37:15 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA15822 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 18:37:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA13972; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 02:37:38 +0100 To: Atsushi Murai cc: jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone else see this with ijppp? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:17:18 +0900." <9506260117.AA00068@tama3.spec.co.jp.spec.co.jp> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 02:37:37 +0100 Message-ID: <13969.804130657@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I will try the tcpdump trick since I have an internal modem and can't watch the lights.. :-) Thanks.. Also, I'm not running routed. Jordan > "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > :> Just one question for you. Are you running the named even you did set > :> up above order for resolving hostname ? I can't comment out as right > : > :Nope, not running named at all. > > How about routed ? Anyway could you make a trap by tcpdump for tunnel device ? > > : Jordan > > Atsushi > > -- > Atsushi Murai E-Mail: amurai@spec.co. jp > SPEC Voice : +81-3-3833-5341 > System Planning and Engineering Corp. > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 18:47:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA16184 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 18:47:08 -0700 Received: from specgw.spec.co.jp (specgw.spec.co.jp [202.32.13.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA16177 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 18:47:03 -0700 Received: from tama3.spec.co.jp (tama3 [202.32.13.252]) by specgw.spec.co.jp (8.6.5/3.3Wb-SPEC) with SMTP id KAA07383; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:41:53 +0900 Message-Id: <9506260151.AA00070@tama3.spec.co.jp.spec.co.jp> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:51:51 +0900 From: Atsushi Murai To: jkh@freebsd.org Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Well, I'm stumped.. [ij-ppp] In-Reply-To: <199506260001.BAA13537@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> X-Mailer: AL-Mail 0.94Beta Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: :Tonite, after adding a whole batch of afilters and dfilters (as per suggestion) :I went back to auto mode and went out to dinner after reading my mail. :Here's what I found in my ppp log when I came back: : :06-25 19:52:07 [12692] CCP: LayerFinish. :06-25 19:52:07 [12692] CCP: state change Req-Sent --> Stopped :06-26 00:08:44 [12692] Idle timer expired. :06-26 00:08:44 [12692] LCP: LayerDown :06-26 00:08:44 [12692] OsLinkdown: 194.9.34.254 :06-26 00:08:44 [12692] Phase: Terminate : :As you can see, the silly thing stayed up for *4 hours* before finally :going down! : set timeout 60 How about "set timeout 60 60 1" ? :Any suggestions? : : Jordan Atsushi. -- Atsushi Murai E-Mail: amurai@spec.co.jp SPEC Voice : +81-3-3833-5341 System Planning and Engineering Corp. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 19:08:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA17007 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:08:52 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA16997 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:08:45 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA14099; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 03:09:10 +0100 To: Andrew.Gordon@net-tel.co.uk cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS file locking In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Jun 1995 02:32:12 BST." <"monorail:7738-950626013212-BA25*/G=Andrew/S=Gordon/O=Net-Tel Computer Systems Ltd/PRMD=NET-TEL/ADMD=Gold 400/C=GB/"@MHS> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 03:09:10 +0100 Message-ID: <14097.804132550@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > 1) Am I right in believing that this stuff doesn't exist in FreeBSD 2.0.5? > (seems like it, from looking at previous discussion in the lists > archive) You are correct. I think Sun was deliberately fuzzy in their specification of NFS locking in order that they might claim it as a market differentiation point.. :-) > 2) Any work-in-progress that I might assist with? Or any previous > discussion of how this ought to be implemented in FreeBSD? I may be wrong, but I think that the answer to both of these questions is an unfortunate "no". The prolific Ambassador Lambert may have some back-archives of previous discussions, given that he's been known to save such things.. :) > 3) If not, any pointers to the spec so I can have a go at implementing > from scratch? If I can just dummy up the protocol to keep the other > machines happy, I would be back in business, and one step on the way > to doing the whole job. I don't know of anything off the top of my head, though I'm sure that someone else will chime in if they have something in the archives (see above :). I do know that such an effort would come as a very welcome one on several quarters.. Thanks! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 19:12:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA17208 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:12:52 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA17202 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:12:40 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA14153; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 03:13:10 +0100 To: Atsushi Murai cc: jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Well, I'm stumped.. [ij-ppp] In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:51:51 +0900." <9506260151.AA00070@tama3.spec.co.jp.spec.co.jp> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 03:13:10 +0100 Message-ID: <14151.804132790@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > How about "set timeout 60 60 1" ? Hmmm! That's not documented, you know.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 19:21:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA17494 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:21:35 -0700 Received: from specgw.spec.co.jp (specgw.spec.co.jp [202.32.13.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA17486 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:21:30 -0700 Received: from tama3.spec.co.jp (tama3 [202.32.13.252]) by specgw.spec.co.jp (8.6.5/3.3Wb-SPEC) with SMTP id LAA07840; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:16:48 +0900 Message-Id: <9506260226.AA00072@tama3.spec.co.jp.spec.co.jp> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:26:46 +0900 From: Atsushi Murai To: jkh@freebsd.org Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Well, I'm stumped.. [ij-ppp] In-Reply-To: <14151.804132790@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> X-Mailer: AL-Mail 0.94Beta Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: :> How about "set timeout 60 60 1" ? [] [] What's value do you get if do "show timeout" befor setting this ? :Hmmm! That's not documented, you know.. :-) Well. we have language varier ;-) : Jordan -- Atsushi Murai E-Mail: amurai@spec.co.jp SPEC Voice : +81-3-3833-5341 System Planning and Engineering Corp. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 19:30:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA17875 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:30:24 -0700 Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA17869 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:30:20 -0700 Received: from newcom.kiae.su by sequent.kiae.su with SMTP id AA29314 (5.65.kiae-2 for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 06:25:15 +0400 Received: by newcom.kiae.su id AA05506 (5.65.kiae-1 for hackers@freebsd.org); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 06:21:13 +0400 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 06:21:13 +0400 Message-Id: <199506260221.AA05506@newcom.kiae.su> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: [info.ietf] Latest BSD telnet code From: "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah X-Class: Fast X-Newsreader: NN v6.4.18 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Path: kiae!relcom!KremlSun!demos!fox >From: fox@demos.su (Andy Fox) >Newsgroups: relcom.postmasters.d >Subject: [info.ietf] Latest BSD telnet code >Date: 24 Jun 1995 21:23:22 GMT >Organization: Demos Ltd. >Lines: 19 >Distribution: world >Message-ID: <3shvoa$i0n@news.demos.su> >Reply-To: fox@demos.su >NNTP-Posting-Host: fox@sf.demos.su >X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] [ Article crossposted from comp.archives ] [ Author was ] [ Posted on 23 Jun 1995 02:18:56 GMT ] Archive-name: auto/info.ietf/Latest_BSD_telnet_code There is a new version of the BSD telnet code now available for anonymous FTP. This is the version of Telnet code that will be on the 4.4BSD-Lite2 distribution, and is mostly a bug-fix release. It can be picked up via anonymous FTP from ftp.cray.com, in the file src/telnet/telnet.95.05.31.NE.tar.Z. This version does not have encryption code, but a version with the encryption code can be gotten from an ftp archive at MIT, see the README.encryption file for more information. -David Borman, dab@cray.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 19:40:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA18351 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:40:05 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA18339 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:39:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA14309 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 03:40:27 +0100 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: General call - please help the doc project! Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 03:40:26 +0100 Message-ID: <14307.804134426@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I know you're probably sick of me saying this, but I'll say it anyway. The FreeBSD Documentation Project desperately needs volunteers and contributions of material! John has really made some significant strides lately with the handbook (see http://www.freebsd.org) but can't keep that kind of momentum going without solid contributions from the user community. Contributions also need not be something earth-shatteringly involved or difficult as any level of contribution is welcomed, from simple proof-reading to entire manuals. Have you been using FreeBSD for anything interesting in your daily work, or have any testimonials to share about your experiences with FreeBSD? Check out http://freefall.cdrom.com/What/uses.html and submit your own entry! There are only *four* entries there, and I'm quite positive that there are more than 4 people world-wide with something nice to say about FreeBSD! :-) It takes just a few minutes to jot down a testimonial, and those of you who like to see your names in print will also get that privilege for a very small investment! :) Feeling generous? Write a short tutorial on something you've done recently in FreeBSD that you found difficult yet doesn't seem to be described anywhere. If 1/100'th of the people using FreeBSD submitted such tutorials, we'd soon have every single aspect of the system completely documented! I'm sure many of you feel positive about FreeBSD, so consider this a chance to give just a little back. We're not asking for a book, just a couple of pages! :-) Have even less time than this? Then take just a few minutes to browse the web pages and send your comments and/or corrections to www@freebsd.org. I'm sure John will appreciate it! Finally, for all you artists or GIF pack-rats out there, the pages could use a few more images! We're not going to go image-crazy here (you folks in Europe can relax again :-) but it'd be nice to have a pool of artwork available for the occasional bit of sprucing up. Artwork that makes a nice logo for some existing web page is also always welcome. A daemon reading a book could, for example, be at the top of the FAQ page. We recently received a picture of a daemon with his tail on fire and a long fuse going to a bomb, which we'll use for the bug reporting page (when it appears). You get the idea, I'm sure! :-) Above all, remember: The FreeBSD web pages are YOUR resource, and only you can help make them a better one. Thanks!! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 19:43:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA18571 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:43:02 -0700 Received: from mailhost.primenet.com (root@mailhost.primenet.com [198.68.32.50]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA18564 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:43:00 -0700 Received: from venus.laxinet.org (ip155.lax.primenet.com [204.212.59.155]) by mailhost.primenet.com (8.6.11/wjp-h2.0) with SMTP id TAA25596 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:42:50 -0700 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:45:32 -0700 (PDT) From: David Nowak X-Sender: sfi@venus.laxinet.org To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD 2.0.5 Boot Does not Recognise... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have a Future Domain TMC-885M SCSI controller card and a Quantum P80 hard drive. When I start up from the boot disk to install FreeBSD 2.0.5, the PARTITION submenu item of the INSTALL menu does not recognise my FD card. When I rebooted, and used the "-c" userconfig envocation, I did not see my FD TMC-885M SCSI card listed as one of the standard hardware types. Please mail me some suggestions of what to do now. Thanks. David Nowak sfi@primenet.com or djnowak@pop.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 20:06:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA19285 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:06:14 -0700 Received: from feephi.phofarm.com (feephi.phofarm.com [204.242.60.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA19271 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:06:08 -0700 Received: (from dzerkel@localhost) by feephi.phofarm.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA06005; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 23:04:24 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 23:04:24 -0400 From: "Danny J. Zerkel" Message-Id: <199506260304.XAA06005@feephi.phofarm.com> To: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Well, this has been simplified to a great extent by /etc/sysconfig. > It's my intention that ALL of the mutable files in /etc eventually > collapse to just /etc/sysconfig, and there's never any reason at all > for the user to modify the others. Well, I regularly turn of lpd... but that's in rc, so I guess a flag for that would help. How would we handle things that currently I put into rc.local (httpd)? There are a bunch of config files in /etc, I don't think all can be collapsed. /etc/remote, /etc/ttys, come to mind. Good goal, though. ------------------- Danny J. Zerkel Photon Farmers http://www.phofarm.com/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 20:16:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA19860 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:16:41 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA19854 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:16:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA15598; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 04:17:03 +0100 To: David Nowak cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.0.5 Boot Does not Recognise... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:45:32 PDT." Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 04:17:02 +0100 Message-ID: <15596.804136622@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I have a Future Domain TMC-885M SCSI controller card and a Quantum P80 > hard drive. When I start up from the boot disk to install FreeBSD 2.0.5, > the PARTITION submenu item of the INSTALL menu does not recognise my FD > card. When I rebooted, and used the "-c" userconfig envocation, I did > not see my FD TMC-885M SCSI card listed as one of the standard hardware > types. Please mail me some suggestions of what to do now. Get another card or write a driver.. :-( I'm afraid we don't support this one.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 20:50:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA20958 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:50:26 -0700 Received: from ben.octet.com (ben.octet.com [198.6.71.55]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA20951 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:50:24 -0700 Received: (from ilya@localhost) by ben.octet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA01660; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 23:39:19 GMT Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 23:39:19 +0000 () From: Ilya Ravich To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Wireless Ethernet (need driver) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk FreeBSD Folks, Item in question: 16 Bit ISA card -- AIRLan wireless ethernet (made by Solectek) -- can deliver 2 Mbps at 800 feet - 5 miles range (depending on antenna used). At $700 I bought two of these babies, but I can't get them recognized under FreeBSD. Looks like these will need a driver... Anyone out there who's capable of writing a driver/has written one/lives less than 5 miles from work? I would also like to give it a shot -- but I'm not a kernel-level man... Though, any advice on writing this driver would be highly appreciated. Ilya From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 21:07:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA21604 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 21:07:12 -0700 Received: from emory.mathcs.emory.edu (emory.mathcs.emory.edu [128.140.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA21597 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 21:07:09 -0700 Received: from bagend.UUCP by emory.mathcs.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_mathcs.4.0.14) via UUCP id AA27923 ; Sun, 25 Jun 95 23:39:50 -0400 Received: by bagend.atl.ga.us (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0sQ4zn-0000yRC; Sun, 25 Jun 95 23:37 EDT Message-Id: From: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Subject: keyboard locks up 950622-SNAP To: emory!freebsd.org!jkh (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 23:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <6332.803945542@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 23, 95 11:12:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3999 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Please let me know how you fare with this snapshot. If this is not the right place for this, well just tell me where to go. How's that for a straight line? :) Hardware is ASUS PVI-486AP4 motherboard - Aries chip set, 486-33 Intel, 16mb, a 1gb segate and a 200mb conner on onboard pci/ide, logitech bus mouse, generic io card, sound-blaster 16 with panasonic cdrom, diamond video vram (968) pci, and the floppy is connected to a WD1007 esdi controller that does not have an esdi disk on it (too hot here in the summer for those monsters!)... all running off of an APC ups. This system has been running dos and linux (1.2.5) for several months doing lots of mail and news (and DOOM) with no problems. I have spent this weekend installing (many times ... from a dos partition) 2.0.5-950622-SNAP onto the last ~700mb of the segate which is wd0... sometimes with only a 250mb dos partition, and other times with a 150mb extend partition also (with linux). I even took the OS2 partition and it's Boot Manager off ... if you all remember my earlier fights with FreeBSD and the BM. The first try was just installing bin. After printing xxxx blocks on debug window I got Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode. ... lots of other stuff that I wrote down if it matters. I have not had it crash since with several more installs... bin, dict, info, manpages, compats, sys-src and some packages - bash and other stuff. The failure symptom is the keyboard accepts no commands, nothing, no change screen, no ctl-alt-del, nada... hit the reset button. I *think* it may be related to the number of keystrokes. If I play around with sysinstall enough, it will lock up during the install. It does not take long. I managed to get a kernel compiled and installed but the problem persists. I can give the system lots of things to do and it will run fine for a few hours or I can sit and type and it will lock up in about 10 minutes. Just to be sure, I have tried another keyboard. This happens with csh and bash, no difference there. If say I were compiling trn when this happens, it appears that the compile continues. I just get no feedback on the screen. I have run old SYSV systems for many years but I have little or no BSD experience. I got interested in FreeBSD so I could learn BSD ... that and to get something going so that I could get this Linux stuff off of my disk. :) My network is a serial port and a modem. All of this "net" stuff in /etc is totally alien to me, never mind sendmail. So, not knowing what all to edit and turn on and turn off, could I be configuring (or not) something to cause this? I cannot imagine that to be so, like I said, I know squat about BSD. BTW, about the install. Why, if I gave the dos partition a mount point in disklable, does sysinstall unmount it after loading the various distributions you choose? If you then go to install some packages, first it complains about there not being a CDROM ... but then you can get to the menu. If you go over to the shell and re mount /dos you can get at the packages to install them. That is if you renamed them to something that will jive with a dos filename to begin with. :) A few weeks ago I commented that with a local-time cmos setting, setting the timezone seemed off for me. When it asks "is this right" it gives the offset time. After rebooting, the time *is* correct, however. Want some interesting screen mumble jumble? After the system is up, try running sysinstall from the second screen. :) If I install bin, then after the system is up go back and install say, manpages, it still gives me a "remade all devices". Installing the iozone package failed, said it required sharutils. Well, I have about 473 other questions, but they can wait until I get something that will run for more than 15 minutes. No, I am not compaining... this has been rather interesting actually. :) -- Jan Isley coordinator, usenet volunteer votetakers From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 21:07:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA21628 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 21:07:21 -0700 Received: from emory.mathcs.emory.edu (emory.mathcs.emory.edu [128.140.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA21622 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 21:07:18 -0700 Received: from bagend.UUCP by emory.mathcs.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_mathcs.4.0.14) via UUCP id AA29424 ; Mon, 26 Jun 95 00:07:10 -0400 Received: by bagend.atl.ga.us (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0sQ5Rh-0000yRC; Mon, 26 Jun 95 00:06 EDT Message-Id: From: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Subject: Re: X server and Diam.St.64VRAM Vision968 + TI 3026 220Mhz RAMDAC - HOW ? To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 00:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Cc: rashid@haven.ios.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506251838.LAA01836@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 25, 95 11:38:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1144 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > Subject: XFree and Diam.Stealth 64VRAM 86C968-P + TI 220Mhz 3026 - HOW ? ? > > Newsgroups: alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions alt.uu? > > Sorry for the possible off-topic, but probably some1 here customized > > S3 server for that particular chipset ( subject) ? That would be the Diamond Stealth 64 Video VRAM. I like mine. :) The VRAM has a S3-964 and a Ti 3025 RAMDAC. It should work now with the XFree86 3.1.1 S3 driver. The Video VRAM has a S3-968 and a Ti 3026 RAMDAC. For the S3-968, the 3.1.1u2 S3 driver works with Linux now. One of the commercial outfits claim to have a working driver for it. They have (or had) a demo available via ftp. > Wait for the next release of XFree86 (or ask the XFree86 folks) there is > support in 3.1.1A and later for this card, but I don't know if that is > a public release yet. According to a recent exchange with Harald Koenig of XFree86 S3 driver fame, this updated driver, and other goodies will not be available for FreeBSD until they release 3.1.2 sometime in the next month or two. -- Jan Isley coordinator, usenet volunteer votetakers From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 21:20:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA22190 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 21:20:59 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA22182 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 21:20:49 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA00256; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 05:21:10 +0100 To: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) cc: emory!freebsd.org!jkh (Jordan K. Hubbard), hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: keyboard locks up 950622-SNAP In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jun 1995 23:37:59 EDT." Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 05:21:09 +0100 Message-ID: <254.804140469@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Hardware is ASUS PVI-486AP4 motherboard - Aries chip set, 486-33 > Intel, 16mb, a 1gb segate and a 200mb conner on onboard pci/ide, > logitech bus mouse, generic io card, sound-blaster 16 with panasonic Hmmm. Is the cache set to write-through rather than write-back with this motherboard? I've heard that you don't want to run it in write-back mode due to some DMA conflict botches, though I may have the wrong motherboard in mind. > BTW, about the install. Why, if I gave the dos partition a mount > point in disklable, does sysinstall unmount it after loading the > various distributions you choose? If you then go to install some Hmmm. It's being cute, but perhaps too much so.. I'll take the umount out.. > Want some interesting screen mumble jumble? After the system is > up, try running sysinstall from the second screen. :) Ummm.. That's kind of an unexpected thing to do.. :-) Perhaps I should put in a check to make sure only one's running at a time! :) > If I install bin, then after the system is up go back and install > say, manpages, it still gives me a "remade all devices". Hmmm.. Odd.. I'll go look. Thanks for the feedback! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 21:25:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA22428 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 21:25:01 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA22415 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 21:24:57 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA14461; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 06:24:54 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id GAA07632 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 06:24:53 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA20083 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 00:35:54 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506252235.AAA20083@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 00:35:53 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <9506252148.AA11980@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Jun 25, 95 03:48:27 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 906 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Terry Lambert wrote: > > Yeah. Nothing that can't be overwritten should be in /etc. > > The sysconfig stuf should go in /var. /var is per machine. Totally disagreed. /var is basically crap. /var/spool and /var/crash come to mind. Nobody is really going to even backup that crap. Our current filesystem layout allows to go _all_ configuration information from /etc to fit onto a single standard floppy. HIER(7) UNIX Reference Manual HIER(7) NAME hier - layout of filesystems ... /etc/ system configuration files and scripts ... /var/ multi-purpose log, temporary, transient, and spool files ... I cannot see how sysconfig would fit into ``log, temporary, transient and spool'' files. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 21:25:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA22442 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 21:25:04 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA22419 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 21:24:59 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA14469; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 06:24:57 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id GAA07643; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 06:24:56 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA20202; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 00:51:53 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506252251.AAA20202@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Need driver for unsupported (?) ethernet card. To: ilya@octet.com (Ilya Ravich) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 00:51:52 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Ilya Ravich" at Jun 25, 95 04:25:15 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 362 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Ilya Ravich wrote: > > Does anyone have a driver for AirLan (produced by Solectek), and if not, not that i knew of > what do I need to write one? 1) documentation 2) source code of existing drivers 3) patience -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 21:40:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA23163 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 21:40:29 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA23147 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 21:40:20 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA00391; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 05:41:01 +0100 To: hackers@freebsd.org cc: daev@internet-eireann.ie Subject: ij-ppp "problem" - my face is red! Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 05:41:01 +0100 Message-ID: <389.804141661@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Here I've been complaining for 2 days that there was a possible bug in ijppp when the fault had NOTHING to do with it all this time! What makes it especially embarassing is that I should really have done what Atsushi just suggested all along - run tcpdump and see just what the hell was happening! It turns out that my ISP is, for some reason, making and breaking an SMTP connection to me about once per minute, or at least has been doing so for the last 20 minutes or so: 05:34:15.662071 whisker.internet-eireann.ie.1085 > gate-1.internet-eireann.ie.auth: S 198656001:198656001(0) win 16384 whisker.internet-eireann.ie.1085: R 0:0(0) ack 198656002 win 0 05:34:15.886748 whisker.internet-eireann.ie.smtp > gate-1.internet-eireann.ie.2280: P 1:101(100) ack 1 win 17520 05:34:16.140789 gate-1.internet-eireann.ie.2280 > whisker.internet-eireann.ie.smtp: . ack 101 win 15960 05:34:16.141162 whisker.internet-eireann.ie.smtp > gate-1.internet-eireann.ie.2280: P 101:120(19) ack 1 win 17520 05:34:16.160917 gate-1.internet-eireann.ie.2280 > whisker.internet-eireann.ie.smtp: P 1:6(5) ack 101 win 16060 05:34:16.164186 whisker.internet-eireann.ie.smtp > gate-1.internet-eireann.ie.2280: FP 120:172(52) ack 6 win 17520 ... No mail is actually being delivered, the machine is just connecting and disconnecting again. I've contacted the provider about this (probably just a phantom message in the queue bouncing back and forth or something) and will have it resolved somehow, but just to note for the benefit of Atsushi and friends that the problem was NOT with ijppp! It was with me not using the tools I already knew I should be using and just not using my brain properly for some reason. No doubt about it - gotta get another brain! I don't suppose there's a special filter for dealing with this without also denying SMTP connections altogether? (that would be bad). If not, would the ijppp designers perhaps consider a new type of filter for designating packets that don't change the timeout counter? I'm not talking about `dfilter', which prohibits a packet from triggering _dialing_, I'm talking about a filter which says "accept this packet, but don't bias the timeout with it - if nothing BUT these packets come in you can still hang up the line when the timer expires." Just an idea.. It would allow me to work-around this problem, at least.. Thanks! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 21:45:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA23455 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 21:45:19 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA23428 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 21:45:08 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA04962; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 22:45:02 -0600 Message-Id: <199506260445.WAA04962@rover.village.org> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 26 Jun 1995 01:06:42 BST Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 22:45:01 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk : If you can think of a way of making dual-boot work in all possible : scenarios, then I'm certainly not adverse.. Hmmm, more think real hard :-) I will have to do that. A question I'm not qualified to answer: Which would be harder: Hacking the boot code to do the right thing, or hacking the file system code to allow mounting of subtrees on mount points. Something like you get with nfs: mount fred:/usr/baz /usr If you could do that, then you could specify which part you want to boot. Or you could mount what would be the /usr partition on /usr-2.0.5R and have a synlink from /usr. Likewise with /etc, /var, etc. You'd likely have to make the kernel be smart enough to suffle the symlinks, or you'd have to do it by hand in /etc/rc. There is a drawback with things like /usr/local, but maybe that could happen. Alternatively, you could hack all the shells to read the default path from a known location, and setup things this way, but that doesn't solve the config file problem (which, if they are all in /var, wouldn't be a problem since you'd have different /var's). An idea would be sym links from something like /etc/fstab to /etc/fstab-2.0.5R. I'm not happy with this idea, however, since it seems to involve a lot of kruft. Windows NT does a variation on this, and VMS does a similar thing with logical names. Root would remain the same, and you'd boot kernel.2.0.5R or kernel.SNAP-950622 or something like that. Oh, if I went the massively symlink'd route, it would be ONLY for people that wanted to have n copies of the OS on the machine. If you wanted only one, then you'd not have the performance hit of the symlinks. The two disk case is easy, so I won't talk about it much (I have it mostly setup now, but not automatically). Anyway, are enough hackers interested in this discussion, or is it time to create a list? I would have thought some of my comments would have had more discussion than I've seen in my personal mailbox and in -hackers so far. I'd also like to talk about automatic tools for the generation of the deltas and things like that which would be needed for an upgrade framework to be successful. Comments? Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 22:12:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA24749 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 22:12:52 -0700 Received: from specgw.spec.co.jp (specgw.spec.co.jp [202.32.13.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA24731 ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 22:12:29 -0700 Received: from tama3.spec.co.jp (tama3 [202.32.13.252]) by specgw.spec.co.jp (8.6.5/3.3Wb-SPEC) with SMTP id OAA10677; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:07:42 +0900 Message-Id: <9506260517.AA00073@tama3.spec.co.jp.spec.co.jp> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:17:41 +0900 From: Atsushi Murai To: jkh@freebsd.org Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, daev@internet-eireann.ie Subject: Re: ij-ppp "problem" In-Reply-To: <389.804141661@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> X-Mailer: AL-Mail 0.94Beta Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: :I don't suppose there's a special filter for dealing with this without :also denying SMTP connections altogether? (that would be bad). If :not, would the ijppp designers perhaps consider a new type of filter :for designating packets that don't change the timeout counter? I'm :not talking about `dfilter', which prohibits a packet from triggering :_dialing_, I'm talking about a filter which says "accept this packet, :but don't bias the timeout with it - if nothing BUT these packets come :in you can still hang up the line when the timer expires." : :Just an idea.. It would allow me to work-around this problem, at :least.. I think you can set up by "afilter - keep alive filter" right now. This filter will never reset idletimer count with deny keyword even it's allow by ofilter. I did implement this filter against original for doing such a case. Here is example for you. # # Don't keep Alive with ICMP,DNS and SMTP packet # set afilter 0 deny icmp set afilter 1 deny udp src eq 520 set afilter 2 deny udp dst eq 520 set afilter 3 deny tcp dst eq 25 #set afilter 4 deny tcp src eq 25 estab set afilter 4 permit 0/0 0/0 :Thanks! Any time :-) : Jordan Atsushi. -- Atsushi Murai E-Mail: amurai@spec.co.jp SPEC Voice : +81-3-3833-5341 System Planning and Engineering Corp. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 22:15:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA24841 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 22:15:22 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA24818 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 22:14:48 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <30779>; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 22:15:18 +0100 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 22:15:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Jan Isley cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: keyboard locks up 950622-SNAP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 25 Jun 1995, Jan Isley wrote: > The first try was just installing bin. After printing xxxx blocks > on debug window I got Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode. Sounds like hardware. Try disabling the cache. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 22:48:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA25821 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 22:48:13 -0700 Received: from cs.huji.ac.il (cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA25808 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 22:47:50 -0700 Received: from picton.cs.huji.ac.il by cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA02266 (5.67b/HUJI 4.153 for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:47:03 +0300 Received: by picton.cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA09984 (5.65c/HUJI 4.114 for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:35:08 +0300 Message-Id: <199506251235.AA09984@picton.cs.huji.ac.il> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers Mailing List) Subject: Re: Creating iso9660 filesystems In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:55:28 +0100 . <9247.804005728@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: Amos Shapira Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:35:07 +0300 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk |Furthermore, if we ever got a read/write CD9660 filesystem working, |one could even "hot-patch" the image generated, doctoring it up a bit |before finally taking the image and whapping it onto CD. That would |be neat. Any interest out there? | | Jordan | Further more - if you get a read/write ISO9660 filesystem then you can just "tar cf - . | tar -C /iso9660 xf -" and patch the result. Maybe running something to pack blocks again just before burning it. Cheers, --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for 133 Shlomo Ben-Yosef st. | glory, for its people had been chosen Jerusalem 93 805 | by the finest judges in England." ISRAEL amoss@cs.huji.ac.il | -- Anonymous From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 23:10:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA26834 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 23:10:13 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA26777 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 23:10:03 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA02452 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 23:09:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199506260609.XAA02452@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: help with my routing problem! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 23:09:51 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Ideally, I would like to assign IP addresses in the 204.188.121.248 subnet to my second interface on the P66 and to the 486/66 interfaces. My setup: 204.188.121.17 netmask 255.255.255.248 ascend pipeline 50 ^ | twisted pair | v 204.188.121.18 netmask 255.255.255.248 P66 ^ | thin net | v 486/66 The ascend router likes to respond to only one mac address . In this case, the mac address of 204.188.121.18. Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 25 23:35:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA27968 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 23:35:14 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA27962 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 23:35:11 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA00614; Mon, 26 Jun 95 08:35:08 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id IAA02344 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:49:01 +0200 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:49:01 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199506260649.IAA02344@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: weird filesystem state (cannot remove files) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk During X server testing I had to push the reset button two times recently with a subsequent fsck. Then I wanted to build some new kernel but moving the old kernel did not work; the kernel had mode 555 (!) I didn't definitely not set it to that mode. Logged in under root at vty0 I tried to chmod 755 /kernel (I was booted from /kernel.old at that time) gave chmod: /kernel: Operation not permitted (other chmod operations worked though) Trying rm /kernel (booted from kernel.new) gives override r-xr-xr-x root/wheel schg for /kernel? y rm: /kernel: Operation not permitted I believe I installed these kernels using make install rather than mv /kernel /tmp ; mv kernel /kernel. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950619 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0619 #1: Mon Jun 19 19:54:08 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 00:03:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA28933 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 00:03:13 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA28923 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 00:03:10 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA19052; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:03:07 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA08430 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:03:06 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA21939 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:32:12 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506260632.IAA21939@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: 2.05R reboot hangs To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:32:12 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506252253.IAA08952@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 26, 95 08:53:31 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 680 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Bruce Evans wrote: > > >I seem to recall reading somewhere that there's a BIOS routine that > >can be used for rebooting the system. Now, I know using BIOS calls is a > > I couldn't find a standard one in the Interrupt List. There is INT 19h > for the bootstrap loader, but it is unusable even from DOS because it > doesn't unhook hooked vectors. I think that's what they're using. Viruses tend to survive warm boots for just this reason (they modify the int 0x19 vector to prevent the bootstrap routine from destroying them). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 00:03:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA28947 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 00:03:15 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA28924 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 00:03:11 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA19056; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:03:08 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA08433 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:03:07 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA21974 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:36:22 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506260636.IAA21974@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:36:21 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <13565.804125202@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 26, 95 01:06:42 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 640 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > I'm curious why dual boot is a "no and possibly never"? > Just the amount of work involved is all. You can't have 2 FreeBSD > slices on a disk and boot from the second one as the boot code is too > stupid to understand that you might want to boot from something other > than the first one it finds. Except for the space constraints, it should be possible to extent the boot syntax from: driver(unit,part)/filename to driver(unit,[slice,]part)/filename -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 00:03:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA29015 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 00:03:27 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA28983 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 00:03:20 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA19062; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:03:10 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA08439 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:03:09 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA22098 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:47:47 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506260647.IAA22098@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: ij-ppp "problem" - my face is red! To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:47:47 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <389.804141661@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 26, 95 05:41:01 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 705 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > ... If > not, would the ijppp designers perhaps consider a new type of filter > for designating packets that don't change the timeout counter? I'm > not talking about `dfilter', which prohibits a packet from triggering > _dialing_, I'm talking about a filter which says "accept this packet, > but don't bias the timeout with it - if nothing BUT these packets come > in you can still hang up the line when the timer expires." That would also be necessary to prevent a bozo from keeping your line up by constantly pinging you. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 00:10:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA29455 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 00:10:08 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA29449 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 00:10:05 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA19356; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:10:01 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA08479; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:10:01 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA22451; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:08:31 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506260708.JAA22451@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: weird filesystem state (cannot remove files) To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph P. Kukulies) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:08:30 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506260649.IAA02344@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph P. Kukulies" at Jun 26, 95 08:49:01 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 565 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Christoph P. Kukulies wrote: > > Trying rm /kernel (booted from kernel.new) gives > > override r-xr-xr-x root/wheel schg for /kernel? y > rm: /kernel: Operation not permitted > > I believe I installed these kernels using make install rather than > mv /kernel /tmp ; mv kernel /kernel. Si, señor. Make install sets the immutable flag. :-] (That's why i'm never using it, caused me some flamage in Usenet...) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 01:18:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA01623 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 01:18:04 -0700 Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA01611 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 01:17:53 -0700 Received: from totum by colin.muc.de with UUCP id <25561-2>; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:14:33 +0200 Received: (from root@localhost) by totum.muc.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA00348; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:37:21 +0200 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:37:19 +0200 From: Michael Reifenberger To: "Christoph P. Kukulies" cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: weird filesystem state (cannot remove files) In-Reply-To: <199506260649.IAA02344@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 26 Jun 1995, Christoph P. Kukulies wrote: > Trying rm /kernel (booted from kernel.new) gives > > override r-xr-xr-x root/wheel schg for /kernel? y > rm: /kernel: Operation not permitted How about: chflags noschg /kernel rm /kernel Bye! ---- Michael Reifenberger From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 01:54:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA02542 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 01:54:42 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA02534 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 01:54:37 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA15694; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 18:12:05 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506260842.SAA15694@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: weird filesystem state (cannot remove files) To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 18:12:05 +0930 (CST) Cc: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506260708.JAA22451@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 26, 95 09:08:30 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 907 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch stands accused of saying: > > > > override r-xr-xr-x root/wheel schg for /kernel? y > > rm: /kernel: Operation not permitted > > > > I believe I installed these kernels using make install rather than > > mv /kernel /tmp ; mv kernel /kernel. > > Si, señor. Make install sets the immutable flag. :-] (That's why > i'm never using it, caused me some flamage in Usenet...) man chflags. chflags is your friend; wonderful way to create a write-only .history file for PA sites with stupid users. > cheers, J"org -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 01:58:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA02777 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 01:58:57 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA02771 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 01:58:54 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA03174; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 01:58:52 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506260858.BAA03174@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 01:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506251934.NAA03700@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Jun 25, 95 01:34:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1495 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > [[ Cc's trimmed to Rod and hackers ]] > > : I have about 12 pending changes to the /etc/sysconfig and related > : scripts, some intergrated and tested on my box, others needing some > : clean up, others needing some testing to make sure what is being > : done actually works well. > > One idea that I had was something like this: > > If you ship a "template" /etc/sysconfig, called /etc/sysconfig.tmpl > that looks like: ... [Lots of nice neat ideas using shell scripts, and other solutions...] ... > > One additional problem is /etc/rc.local. I don't recall what is > shipped by default, but I seem to recall that there was some code in > that file that should be preserved in an upgrade. By its very nature, > it is hard to quantify its contents in an /etc/sysconfig way. About the only thing in the default /etc/rc.local now is the setting of the header line in /etc/motd and the chmod of /etc/motd. That is going to die and ugly death and be replaced by something more elegant as that is one of my small thorns with RO root file systems. (Modifying a file in /etc on every single boot is slightly sick in my book :-). > > Comments? I like your idea, and I will look at details of implementing it, probably skip right over the shell mumbo jumbo and go for an m4 setup. This is just what I think the doctor ordered!!!! -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 02:12:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA03477 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 02:12:49 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA03471 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 02:12:46 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id CAA03217; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 02:12:57 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506260912.CAA03217@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: rcarter@geli.com (Russell L. Carter) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 02:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506252111.OAA01741@geli.clusternet> from "Russell L. Carter" at Jun 25, 95 02:11:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1333 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > |> R. Grimes writes..... > |> > |> >The SMC 9332 EtherPower 10/100 is a bus master device with no memory > |> >on it at all. It uses host memory for packet buffers and for all > |> >practical purposes this can be as much memory as you want to through > |> >at it! > |> > > |> As long as you can get the bus. You don't want this on a 100mbs media > |> device. The card (or controller) needs some buffering or you'll be in > |> trouble with a heavy burst. > | > |I don't think that a 10MByte a second memory demand is going to have > |much of a problem at all on a 132MB/sec (theroy) or 100MByte/sec (measured) > |bus like PCI. > > Well, that 100 MBytes/sec was mem to mem, right? Not going through the > bus to a device. For that the best I've ever heard of with the current > generation PCI chipsets is 18 MBytes/sec. If anybody knows of > device<->mem faster than 18 MBytes/sec I would appreciate a pointer to it. 18MB/sec is PCI cycles to I/O addresses, it should (and I need to go measure this on a video card) be 100MB/sec for bus mastered DMA access for long bursts. Or for access memory that resides on the PCI bus. (Any one seen a PCI memory card yet??) -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 02:28:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA04380 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 02:28:44 -0700 Received: from longvalley.dsg.cs.tcd.ie (longvalley.dsg.cs.tcd.ie [134.226.36.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA04363 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 02:28:39 -0700 Received: from dedanann.dsg.cs.tcd.ie by longvalley.dsg.cs.tcd.ie id aa22432; 26 Jun 95 10:28 BST To: Bruce Evans Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gcc 2.7.0 and FreeBSD 2.0.5 In-reply-to: Message from Bruce Evans dated Saturday at 01:02. Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:28:25 +0100 From: Alan Judge Message-ID: <9506261028.aa22432@longvalley.dsg.cs.tcd.ie> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Bruce> I removed ASM_WEAKEN_LABEL() from Bruce> gcc-2.7.0/config/i386/freebsd.h. Just a note to everyone who replied. Simply removing ASM_WEAKEN_LABEL works fine and all seems to be well. Thanks to all who replied. -- Alan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 02:48:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA05370 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 02:48:16 -0700 Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA05286 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 02:46:50 -0700 Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA00770; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:48:08 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199506260348.IAA00770@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Re: Need driver for unsupported (?) ethernet card. To: ilya@octet.com (Ilya Ravich) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:48:08 +0500 (GMT+0500) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Ilya Ravich" at Jun 25, 95 04:25:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 802 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I just bought a pair of AirLan wireless ISA 16-bit ethernet cards... > Hooked them up, configured (under DOS) as 0x300/IRQ 5, and ran a test... > Works fine (again, under DOS), but whenever I boot FreeBSD 2.0 (Generic) the > card does not get recognized. > > Does anyone have a driver for AirLan (produced by Solectek), and if not, > what do I need to write one? > > Please help -- I need to get this working yesterday. First you need some description of you card (it's ports' layout, common logic etc.). Then you can take any of existing ethernet drivers, subtract the parts relevant to its original card and add the parts relevant to your card doing the same things. Serge Babkin ! (babkin@hq.icb.chel.su) ! Headquarter of Joint Stock Commercial Bank "Chelindbank" ! Chelyabinsk, Russia From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 02:50:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA05546 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 02:50:22 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA05540 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 02:50:18 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id CAA03377; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 02:49:48 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506260949.CAA03377@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 2.05R reboot hangs To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 02:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Cc: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506252253.IAA08952@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 26, 95 08:53:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2293 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > >I seem to recall reading somewhere that there's a BIOS routine that > >can be used for rebooting the system. Now, I know using BIOS calls is a > > I couldn't find a standard one in the Interrupt List. There is INT 19h > for the bootstrap loader, but it is unusable even from DOS because it > doesn't unhook hooked vectors. > > >no-no without a VM86 interface of some kind, but what I'm wondering > >is if it's possible to force the system back into real mode just long > >enough to call the BIOS reboot routine. > > If you put everything back into real mode exactly as it was at boot > time, then even INT 19h will work. `jmp 0xffff:0xfff0' probably > only requires putting the processor into an 8088'ish mode: no speical > stuff in cr0 (paging, protection, ...) and segment selectors that > make sense in real mode. The BIOS reset routine should handle gateA20. jmp 0xffff:0xfff0 is deadly on some machines unless a hard reset has just occured. Many BIOS writers only expected to start executing from that location on a hard reset and do not do full CPU chip initialization. > > >I've been reluctant to suggest this since I don't know a) how easy it > >would be to do a 'quick and dirty' switch back to real mode, b) if it's > > Very easy :-). The bootstrap does it for every keystroke. Paging > complicates things a bit but all ix86 manuals document the procedure > in detail. And the first requirement is that you have a page that is mapped physical==logical to do run the code in :-(. > >even _possible_ to switch back to real mode this late in the game, > >c) whether or not the BIOS reset call exists or if it's just a figment > >of my imagination or d) if it does exist, does it reset the system > >correctly (i.e. will it cause all hardware to be reset properly). > > There's no way to reset all hardware properly, even for warm boots > under DOS. Some BIOS's don't even reset serial ports that they > support. Correct, but setting location 0x471 to 0 helps a lot, as that tells the BIOS to do a cold boot, memory test and all. Actually any value other than the magic one we stuff in there in locore.s. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 02:52:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA05652 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 02:52:11 -0700 Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA05638 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 02:51:45 -0700 Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA00536; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:25:21 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199506260325.IAA00536@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Re: Caldera Network Desktop To: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:25:21 +0500 (GMT+0500) Cc: evanc@synapse.net, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <9227.804005572@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 24, 95 03:52:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 772 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Or maybe the FreeBSD project members should look around and try to > > come up with their own desktop for FreeBSD (maybe based on the COSE > > desktop). At any rate, I think that the interface is where the battle > > lines will be drawn and I want to ensure that the package that I love > > is able to fight back with a competitive if not superior product. > > This is a fight I could get behind. If somebody will start this work, it will be not bad if this desktop would be like HP VUE because it's the best desktop I saw (may be I saw too few of good desktops :-( But the desktop that is used by SCO, UnixWare, ICL etc. is definitely bad. Serge Babkin ! (babkin@hq.icb.chel.su) ! Headquarter of Joint Stock Commercial Bank "Chelindbank" ! Chelyabinsk, Russia From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 02:59:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA05964 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 02:59:37 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA05948 ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 02:59:33 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id CAA03484; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 02:59:41 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506260959.CAA03484@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: dzerkel@feephi.phofarm.com (Danny J. Zerkel) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 02:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506260304.XAA06005@feephi.phofarm.com> from "Danny J. Zerkel" at Jun 25, 95 11:04:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1045 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > Well, this has been simplified to a great extent by /etc/sysconfig. > > It's my intention that ALL of the mutable files in /etc eventually > > collapse to just /etc/sysconfig, and there's never any reason at all > > for the user to modify the others. > > Well, I regularly turn of lpd... but that's in rc, so I guess a flag > for that would help. A knob flag will be added... along with an args variable since lpd also takes options and arguments that some sites need to set. > How would we handle things that currently I put > into rc.local (httpd)? Wouldn't, httpd is not part of the base system and should in no way be handled by the base system. > There are a bunch of config files in /etc, I don't think all can be > collapsed. /etc/remote, /etc/ttys, come to mind. Already confirmed what he really meant, see other reply from Jordan to me. > Good goal, though. :-). -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 03:16:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA06405 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 03:16:03 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA06395 ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 03:15:59 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id DAA03511; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 03:16:15 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506261016.DAA03511@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: keyboard locks up 950622-SNAP To: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 03:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us, emory!freebsd.org!jkh@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <254.804140469@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 26, 95 05:21:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1980 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > Hardware is ASUS PVI-486AP4 motherboard - Aries chip set, 486-33 > > Intel, 16mb, a 1gb segate and a 200mb conner on onboard pci/ide, > > logitech bus mouse, generic io card, sound-blaster 16 with panasonic You didn't mention video card type. Is it a PCI video card or a VLB video card. One needs to be carefull on this board if you use the VLB card you can only use 1 PCI master. If you don't use the VLB slot you can use 2 PCI masters. I also don't have enough context here to judge what the problem was :-(. > Hmmm. Is the cache set to write-through rather than write-back with > this motherboard? I've heard that you don't want to run it in > write-back mode due to some DMA conflict botches, though I may have > the wrong motherboard in mind. You have the wrong model motherboard. The PVI-486AP4 has a working write back cache. It is the PCI/I-486SP3G that has the broken right back cache (actually, you need a dirty cache ram chip and revision 1.8 or later of the board and the cache will do write back correctly). > > BTW, about the install. Why, if I gave the dos partition a mount > > point in disklable, does sysinstall unmount it after loading the > > various distributions you choose? If you then go to install some > > Hmmm. It's being cute, but perhaps too much so.. I'll take the > umount out.. > > > Want some interesting screen mumble jumble? After the system is > > up, try running sysinstall from the second screen. :) > > Ummm.. That's kind of an unexpected thing to do.. :-) Perhaps I should > put in a check to make sure only one's running at a time! :) > > > If I install bin, then after the system is up go back and install > > say, manpages, it still gives me a "remade all devices". > > Hmmm.. Odd.. I'll go look. > > Thanks for the feedback! > > Jordan > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 04:53:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA09572 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 04:53:42 -0700 Received: from lambda (lambda.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.124]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA09566 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 04:53:37 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by lambda (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA00268 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 12:52:58 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199506261152.MAA00268@lambda> Subject: scsi reprobing To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 12:51:42 +0100 (BST) Reply-to: paul@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1171 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk The scsi(8) manpage says: The -p option can be used against the "super scsi" device /dev/scsi/super to probe all devices with a given SCSI lun on a given SCSI bus. The bus can be selected with the -b option and the default is 0. The lun can be selected with the -l option and the default is 0. See scsi(4) for a de- scription of the "super scsi" device. The -r option can be used in FreeBSD 1.1 to reprobe a specific SCSI de- vice at a given Bus, Target and Lun. This is not needed in FreeBSD 2.1, since opening a fixed SCSI device has the side effect of reprobing it, and probing with the bus with the -p option should bring on line any new- ly found devices. See scsi(4) for a description of fixed scsi devices. Does any of this actually work? Opening a device that wasn't on when the system booted results in "device not configured messages". The super scsi device doesn't exist and isn't reference in the scsi(4) manpage. -- Paul Richards, Bluebird Computer Systems. FreeBSD core team member. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, http://www.freebsd.org/~paul Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1222 457651 (home) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 04:57:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA09715 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 04:57:34 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA09709 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 04:57:33 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA10968 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 04:57:24 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA02641; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:54:49 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id NAA10253 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:54:40 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA22961 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:12:27 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506261112.NAA22961@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: weird filesystem state (cannot remove files) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:12:27 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506260842.SAA15694@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Jun 26, 95 06:12:05 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1031 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Michael Smith wrote: > > > Si, señor. Make install sets the immutable flag. :-] (That's why > > i'm never using it, caused me some flamage in Usenet...) > > man chflags. chflags is your friend; wonderful way to create a > write-only .history file for PA sites with stupid users. Of course. But i'm simply too lazy to run chflags all over the day, and the stupid ``just backup the old kernel to /kernel.old'' approach is often too unflexible for me. I used to have several different kernels lying around while developing some device driver etc., and there's absolutely no need to save a kernel that just proved to be broken (and thereby destroying the valuable /kernel.old!), so i'm normally clobbering such kernels, even if it's the currently running one. Anyway i realize, the ``make install'' approach including the immutable flag is a Good Thing (tm) for the casual user. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 05:14:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA10204 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 05:14:53 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA10196 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 05:14:51 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id IAA11790; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:06:34 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:06:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.0.5 Boot Does not Recognise... To: David Nowak cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 25 Jun 1995, David Nowak wrote: > I have a Future Domain TMC-885M SCSI controller card and a Quantum P80 > hard drive. When I start up from the boot disk to install FreeBSD 2.0.5, > the PARTITION submenu item of the INSTALL menu does not recognise my FD > card. When I rebooted, and used the "-c" userconfig envocation, I did > not see my FD TMC-885M SCSI card listed as one of the standard hardware > types. Please mail me some suggestions of what to do now. i have been using a future domain tmc850/950 for a few days now. the driver is the sea drive. i got it to work with the boot.flp as follows boot -c dis mcd0 dis mcd1 dis matcd0 irq sea0 11 iomem sea0 0xde000 > > Thanks. > > David Nowak > sfi@primenet.com or > djnowak@pop.com > > Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 06:20:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA12015 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 06:20:43 -0700 Received: from lambda (lambda.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.124]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA12009 ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 06:20:38 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by lambda (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA00308; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:32:16 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199506261232.NAA00308@lambda> Subject: Re: Anyone else see this with ijppp? To: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:31:00 +0100 (BST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506241953.UAA11269@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 24, 95 08:53:21 pm Reply-to: paul@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 763 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Jordan K. Hubbard who said > > Oh, and on the subject of ppp dialing up and staying up for hours, yes > I've set a timeout and yes I've put in a filter for dialing that blocks > pings and yes I've set `hosts' before `bind' in my /etc/host.conf so > that simple DNS queries don't trigger it. And it still does it.. :-) > Weird. It certainly drops the line quite regularly here. On the other hand, I think Demon drops the line from it's end if it's idle for more than 2 mins...... We'll be on the leased line by the end of the week so I don't really care :-) -- Paul Richards, Bluebird Computer Systems. FreeBSD core team member. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, http://www.freebsd.org/~paul Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1222 457651 (home) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 06:23:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA12157 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 06:23:21 -0700 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA12149 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 06:23:20 -0700 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA19432; Mon, 26 Jun 95 07:21:36 -0600 Received: from junco.fsl.noaa.gov by yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA10462; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:23:16 GMT Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:23:16 GMT From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9506261323.AA10462@yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by junco.fsl.noaa.gov (1.37.109.16/SMI-4.1 (1.37.109.16)) id AA023412995; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 07:23:15 -0600 To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506260649.IAA02344@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> (kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de) Subject: Re: weird filesystem state (cannot remove files) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Christoph" == Christoph P Kukulies writes: Christoph> /kernel: Operation not permitted Christoph> I believe I installed these kernels using make install Christoph> rather than mv /kernel /tmp ; mv kernel /kernel. The `make install' sets the system immutable flag through an install option. See chflags(1). You want `chflags noschg /kernel' so you can futz with it. Besides, what's wrong with a mode 555 /kernel? -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Lab, Boulder Colorado USA Folks still remember the day ole Bob Riley came bouncing down that dirt road in his pickup. Pretty soon, it was bouncing higher and higher. The tires popped, and the shocks broke, but that truck kept bouncing. Some say it bounced clean over the moon, but whoever says that is a damn liar. -- Jack Handey From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 06:31:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA12447 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 06:31:37 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA12441 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 06:31:35 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA05017; Mon, 26 Jun 95 15:31:26 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id PAA03139; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:45:18 +0200 Message-Id: <199506261345.PAA03139@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: weird filesystem state (cannot remove files) To: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:45:17 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) In-Reply-To: <9506261323.AA10462@yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov> from "Sean Kelly" at Jun 26, 95 01:23:16 pm From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1388 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >>>>> "Christoph" == Christoph P Kukulies writes: > > Christoph> /kernel: Operation not permitted > > Christoph> I believe I installed these kernels using make install > Christoph> rather than mv /kernel /tmp ; mv kernel /kernel. > > The `make install' sets the system immutable flag through an install > option. See chflags(1). You want `chflags noschg /kernel' so you can > futz with it. Thanks to all who responded to use 'chflags noschg'. I figured out by reading the man page. > > Besides, what's wrong with a mode 555 /kernel? Nothing unless it confuses the 'mundane root user' who is not aware of BSD 4.4 chflags. I vote for a 'See also' in chmod or a FAQ entry. > > -- > Sean Kelly > NOAA Forecast Systems Lab, Boulder Colorado USA > > Folks still remember the day ole Bob Riley came bouncing down that > dirt road in his pickup. Pretty soon, it was bouncing higher and > higher. The tires popped, and the shocks broke, but that truck kept > bouncing. Some say it bounced clean over the moon, but whoever says > that is a damn liar. -- Jack Handey > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950619 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0619 #1: Mon Jun 19 19:54:08 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 06:49:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA12990 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 06:49:32 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA12982 ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 06:49:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199506261349.GAA12982@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Christoph P. Kukulies" cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: weird filesystem state (cannot remove files) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Jun 95 08:49:01 +0200." <199506260649.IAA02344@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 06:49:29 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Trying rm /kernel (booted from kernel.new) gives > >override r-xr-xr-x root/wheel schg for /kernel? y >rm: /kernel: Operation not permitted > >I believe I installed these kernels using make install rather than >mv /kernel /tmp ; mv kernel /kernel. You have the filesystem immutible flag turned on. Man chflags for details. You can see the flags with an "ls -lo". Setting the immutable flags is part of the kernel install target. >--Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de >FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950619 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 >0619 #1: Mon Jun 19 19:54:08 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d >e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 07:05:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA13765 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 07:05:50 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA13752 ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 07:05:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA01039; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:06:14 +0100 To: "Serge A. Babkin" cc: ilya@octet.com (Ilya Ravich), freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Need driver for unsupported (?) ethernet card. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:48:08 +0500." <199506260348.IAA00770@hq.icb.chel.su> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:06:13 +0100 Message-ID: <1037.804175573@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > First you need some description of you card (it's ports' layout, common > logic etc.). Then you can take any of existing ethernet drivers, > subtract the parts relevant to its original card and add the parts > relevant to your card doing the same things. Indeed. I've asked Ilya here to contact the company and get full tech specs (and possibly some eval cards) since it's simply impossible to get any further with this without such information. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 08:21:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA18115 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:21:33 -0700 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA18104 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:21:21 -0700 Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA29341; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:19:58 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199506261519.KAA29341@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: hsu@cs.hut.fi (Heikki Suonsivu) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:19:57 -0500 (CDT) Cc: davidg@root.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506250512.IAA07090@shadows.cs.hut.fi> from "Heikki Suonsivu" at Jun 25, 95 08:12:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > routing solution. ...and like I said, despite the hipe, I found pc-route to be > rather aweful in terms of performance (I was using it with a 386 at the time). > > Not if one is trying to find a cheap router for a SLIP/PPP line. A PCroute > in a 8088 at 4.77Mhz did 38.4k with 16450's, but FreeBSD in a 80386 at > 16MHz fails to keep up with 16550's at the same speed. It could be a > tuning problem, though, I haven't had time to try earlier trigger for UARTS > or larger serial buffers. Say WHAT? I used to have a 386SX/16 here in the office with a SMC Ethernet card and ^^ a bunch of 16550's, that I used as a terminal server (recently upgraded to a 386DX/16). It handles 4 modems, a high speed (38400) network connection to another box, and from time to time when I am loading FreeBSD, I connect another 386sx/16 with 16450's, and set up a hardwire SLIP link between the two at 115200. I typically see about 5000cps on the SLIP link between the two, and am fairly certain it's the machine with 16450's that's limiting the throughput. So I know of at least one 386sx/16 that can soak up 38.4k with 16*4*50's, and my router was certainly capable of blasting lots of data all over the place at speeds rather higher than that.... ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 08:22:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA18170 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:22:02 -0700 Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA18163 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:21:58 -0700 Received: (from peter@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12/DIALix) id XAA17795; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:21:50 +0800 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:21:49 +0800 (WST) From: Peter Wemm To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: commercial software for FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Just an idea.. I had a look for the SimCity package on ftp.freebsd.org, and I finally found it under /pub/FreeBSD/2.0.5-RELEASE/commerce Perhaps it might be an idea to make a "more prominent" area where it can't be missed? Kinda give it all the help we can? Something like /pub/FreeBSD/commerce with simlinks from "Commercial" and "COMMERCIAL" pointing back to it? -Peter From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 08:37:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA19104 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:37:53 -0700 Received: from emory.mathcs.emory.edu (emory.mathcs.emory.edu [128.140.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA19096 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:37:49 -0700 Received: from bagend.UUCP by emory.mathcs.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_mathcs.4.0.14) via UUCP id AA24154 ; Mon, 26 Jun 95 11:37:47 -0400 Received: by bagend.atl.ga.us (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0sQFvM-0000yLC; Mon, 26 Jun 95 11:18 EDT Message-Id: From: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Subject: update on keyboard lockup with SNAP To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com In-Reply-To: <199506261016.DAA03511@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 26, 95 03:16:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 731 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It is definitely related to the number of keystrokes, sort of. It just spent about two hours playing with the system with no keyboard freeze. And then it occurred to me that when it locked up before I was changing windows a lot but this time I had not. So, with four virtual terminals logged in and one finger on the ALT key, with something going in each window, like vmstat, top, etc, I switched windows about once a second ... for about one minute ... then the keyboard froze. Output from top continued to the window I got stuck on. Nothing, not even lighting the caps lock light worked from the keyboard after that... had to hit the reset button. -- Jan Isley coordinator, usenet volunteer votetakers From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 08:49:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA19782 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:49:16 -0700 Received: from sass165.sandia.gov (sass165.sandia.gov [132.175.109.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA19774 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:49:13 -0700 Received: from sargon.mdl.sandia.gov (sargon.mdl.sandia.gov [134.253.20.128]) by sass165.sandia.gov (8.6.11/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA26195; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:55:16 -0600 Received: (aflundi@localhost) by sargon.mdl.sandia.gov (8.6.10) id JAA06748; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:48:23 -0600 Message-Id: <199506261548.JAA06748@sargon.mdl.sandia.gov> From: aflundi@sandia.gov (Alan F Lundin) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:48:22 -0600 In-Reply-To: J Wunsch "Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP" (Jun 25, 9:50am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.4 2/2/92) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers), joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 25, 9:50am, J Wunsch wrote: > Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP > > > > > Well, that's sort of what /etc/sysconfig is eventually supposed to > > > > become. Then you'd never overwrite the user's sysconfig file and > > > > would, at most, patch it to fold in whatever knobs had been added.. > > > > > > / needs to be mountable read only. /var/sysconfig (or similar). > > > > Heh?? What does a read-only root have to do with /etc/sysconfig? > > Further, /etc contains the per-host configuration information, so i > don't see a good way to share a common /etc directory between multiple > diskless hosts. union mount (If only it worked!) :-) --alan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 08:50:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA19918 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:50:01 -0700 Received: from freebsd.netcraft.co.uk (lambda.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.124]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA19906 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:49:56 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by freebsd.netcraft.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA00729; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 16:47:17 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199506261547.QAA00729@freebsd.netcraft.co.uk> Subject: Re: Anyone else see this with ijppp? To: imb@scgt.oz.au (michael butler) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 16:47:17 +0100 (BST) Cc: gene@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506251102.VAA21856@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> from "michael butler" at Jun 25, 95 09:02:13 pm Reply-to: paul@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1025 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to michael butler who said > > Gene Stark writes: > > > The only real problem I have with it is the automatic 30 second redial > > if a call fails. As I mentioned in mail to the author and maintainer, > > there should be a configurable backoff on this so you don't get socked > > with charges for a kazillion calls (mine cost $0.10/ea.) if an unattended > > machine goes beserk because the other end is inaccessible for some reason. > > Such behaviour is also in breach of the Australian telecommunications > guidelines. I believe that the maximum number of attempts by an automated > dialler to the same number is restricted to 10 in any one HALF-HOUR. > I'd also like to see the ability to cycle through numbers if one is unavailable so you can provide a list of secondary POPs to contact if one number is unavailable. -- Paul Richards, Bluebird Computer Systems. FreeBSD core team member. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, http://www.freebsd.org/~paul Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1222 457651 (home) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 09:07:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA20617 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:07:23 -0700 Received: from elf.kendall.mdcc.edu (elf.kendall.mdcc.edu [147.70.150.122]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA20610 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:07:21 -0700 Received: (from freelist@localhost) by elf.kendall.mdcc.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA07592; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:46:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:46:39 -0400 (EDT) From: FreeBSD Mailing List drop To: Joerg Wunsch cc: dennis , phk@freefall.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-Reply-To: <199506251755.TAA18696@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk The most recent ACM "Transactions on Networking" issue (for the datacomm SIG) had a (I think republished) article on the many different ways that ethernet speed has been computed in the past, the relative accuracy of the approaches, etc etc. I would imagine it is beginning to show up in university libraries by now. It's possible you can order it as well - try http://www.acm.org for information. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 09:08:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA20746 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:08:44 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA20740 ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:08:39 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA06259; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:08:34 -0600 Message-Id: <199506261608.KAA06259@rover.village.org> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: NFS file locking Cc: Andrew.Gordon@net-tel.co.uk, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 26 Jun 1995 03:09:10 BST Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:08:33 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk : > 2) Any work-in-progress that I might assist with? Or any previous : > discussion of how this ought to be implemented in FreeBSD? : : I may be wrong, but I think that the answer to both of these questions : is an unfortunate "no". The prolific Ambassador Lambert may have some : back-archives of previous discussions, given that he's been known to : save such things.. :) One thing to keep in mind is that Sun has produced multiple versions of the lockd protocol, not all of them compatible. At least that's what people tell me who have done sustaining work for long periods of time on the SunOS source base. :-(. Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 09:26:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA21416 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:26:37 -0700 Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA21410 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:26:35 -0700 Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.6.11/8.6.10) id LAA09033 for hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:26:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:26:28 -0500 From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199506261626.LAA09033@plains.nodak.edu> To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: YaHoo! My Mbone feed is working :) Content-Length: 192 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > How am using vat now days? > > Simple. > > vmix PS. and you have to add the SYSV share memory stuff to the kernel for vmix. --mark "head sore from beating it against the VAT wall" From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 10:14:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA22968 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:14:20 -0700 Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA22962 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:14:18 -0700 Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.6.11/8.6.10) id MAA14952 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 12:14:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 12:14:10 -0500 From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199506261714.MAA14952@plains.nodak.edu> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Funny archie in "Linux Unleashed" Content-Length: 307 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I was given a copy of Sam's Publishing's "Linux Unleashed" and there was a funny example of archie. to show an archie response, they looked for flexfax and the printed reply was from "freebsd.cdrom.com" and the files were in the FreeBSD-current subdirectory. Subliminal advertisement for FreeBSD? --mark. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 10:15:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA23093 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:15:09 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA23084 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:15:06 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA04619; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:15:11 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506261715.KAA04619@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: update on keyboard lockup with SNAP To: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jan Isley" at Jun 26, 95 11:18:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1177 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > It is definitely related to the number of keystrokes, sort of. > It just spent about two hours playing with the system with no > keyboard freeze. And then it occurred to me that when it locked > up before I was changing windows a lot but this time I had not. > So, with four virtual terminals logged in and one finger on the > ALT key, with something going in each window, like vmstat, top, > etc, I switched windows about once a second ... for about one > minute ... then the keyboard froze. Output from top continued > to the window I got stuck on. Nothing, not even lighting the > caps lock light worked from the keyboard after that... had to > hit the reset button. AHh.. okay, now you have given us something we can all go try. Okay everybody out there who likes to ``break code'' please lay on the alt key and bounce down F1->F4 once a second for a few hours and let me know how many of you wedge....:-) :-). I'll give it a test here later today when I am out in the burn bench area testing machines... -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 10:26:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA23615 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:26:39 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA23608 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:26:37 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA24994; Mon, 26 Jun 95 11:19:45 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506261719.AA24994@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 26 Jun 95 11:19:44 MDT In-Reply-To: <199506260636.IAA21974@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 26, 95 08:36:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Except for the space constraints, it should be possible to extent the > boot syntax from: Except for the space constraints, it should be possible to port FreeBSD to your Commodore PET. 8-) 8-). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 10:34:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA23947 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:34:10 -0700 Received: from freebsd.netcraft.co.uk (lambda.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.124]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA23935 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:34:03 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by freebsd.netcraft.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA00977 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 18:34:09 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199506261734.SAA00977@freebsd.netcraft.co.uk> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 18:34:08 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199506260636.IAA21974@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 26, 95 08:36:21 am Reply-to: paul@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1370 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to J Wunsch who said > > As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > > I'm curious why dual boot is a "no and possibly never"? > > > Just the amount of work involved is all. You can't have 2 FreeBSD > > slices on a disk and boot from the second one as the boot code is too > > stupid to understand that you might want to boot from something other > > than the first one it finds. > > Except for the space constraints, it should be possible to extent the > boot syntax from: > > driver(unit,part)/filename > > to > > driver(unit,[slice,]part)/filename I don't understand the problem? You just boot the partition that has the active flag set. Our boot process doesn't do this properly but it's not conceptually difficult. Last time I looked it wasn't the bootblocks that were the problem but the disk drivers, since they built fake disklabels by searching for the first FreeBSD partition. I haven't looked at that area of the code since diskslices came online so I'm not sure what happens now. It's simple enough to change the bootblocks to do the above and set the active flag for that partition, as long as the kernel then does the right thing there's not a problem. -- Paul Richards, Bluebird Computer Systems. FreeBSD core team member. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, http://www.freebsd.org/~paul Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1222 457651 (home) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 10:38:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA24325 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:38:25 -0700 Received: from freebsd.netcraft.co.uk (lambda.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.124]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA24309 ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:38:17 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by freebsd.netcraft.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA00989; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 18:36:37 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199506261736.SAA00989@freebsd.netcraft.co.uk> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 18:36:37 +0100 (BST) Cc: dzerkel@feephi.phofarm.com, jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506260959.CAA03484@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 26, 95 02:59:40 am Reply-to: paul@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1335 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Rodney W. Grimes who said > > > > > > Well, this has been simplified to a great extent by /etc/sysconfig. > > > It's my intention that ALL of the mutable files in /etc eventually > > > collapse to just /etc/sysconfig, and there's never any reason at all > > > for the user to modify the others. > > > > Well, I regularly turn of lpd... but that's in rc, so I guess a flag > > for that would help. > A knob flag will be added... along with an args variable since lpd > also takes options and arguments that some sites need to set. > > > How would we handle things that currently I put > > into rc.local (httpd)? > > Wouldn't, httpd is not part of the base system and should in no way > be handled by the base system. Umm, yeah, but how do I specify I want to start httpd if I don't put it in rc.local ? The problem is not that there is site specific stuff in rc.local but that that there is generic stuff in there which shouldn't be. That file should be empty and nothing more than a hook out from rc that I can use to start and set local stuff. It would then not need to be touched or even looked at by an upgrade procedure. -- Paul Richards, Bluebird Computer Systems. FreeBSD core team member. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, http://www.freebsd.org/~paul Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1222 457651 (home) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 10:45:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA24634 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:45:24 -0700 Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA24628 ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:45:21 -0700 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by disperse.demon.co.uk id cp19952; 26 Jun 95 12:33 +0100 Received: from bagpuss.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa03639; 26 Jun 95 1:31 +0100 Received: (karl@localhost) by bagpuss.demon.co.uk (3.1/3.1) id UAA01307; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:36:03 +0100 From: Karl Strickland Message-Id: <199506251936.UAA01307@bagpuss.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:36:02 +0100 (BST) Cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, jkh@freebsd.org, imp@village.org, terry@cs.weber.edu, peter@bonkers.taronga.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <12742.804106656@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 25, 95 07:57:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 800 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > I am sorry for being so slow on this, but my move has set me back > > quite a bit farther than I had planned. [Jordan can probably > > start to appreciate this in a week or two once he gets back and > > starts to try and operate and finds he can't find a bloody damn > > thing!] > > Actually, I'm lucky.. I've already had a year to set up a completely > independent operating environment over there, so I actually don't need > _any_ of the Irish stuff to function.. :-) except the guinness of course :-) -- ------------------------------------------+----------------------------------- Mailed using ELM on FreeBSD | Karl Strickland PGP 2.3a Public Key Available. | Internet: karl@bagpuss.demon.co.uk | From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 11:00:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA25541 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:00:14 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA25511 ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:00:10 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA04929; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:00:24 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506261800.LAA04929@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: /etc/rc* and sysconfig To: paul@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506261736.SAA00989@freebsd.netcraft.co.uk> from "Paul Richards" at Jun 26, 95 06:36:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1831 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [cc: reset to hackers, title changed, Annouce-2.0.5R was inappropriate] > In reply to Rodney W. Grimes who said > > > > > > > > > Well, this has been simplified to a great extent by /etc/sysconfig. > > > > It's my intention that ALL of the mutable files in /etc eventually > > > > collapse to just /etc/sysconfig, and there's never any reason at all > > > > for the user to modify the others. > > > > > > Well, I regularly turn of lpd... but that's in rc, so I guess a flag > > > for that would help. > > A knob flag will be added... along with an args variable since lpd > > also takes options and arguments that some sites need to set. > > > > > How would we handle things that currently I put > > > into rc.local (httpd)? > > > > Wouldn't, httpd is not part of the base system and should in no way > > be handled by the base system. > > Umm, yeah, but how do I specify I want to start httpd if I don't put > it in rc.local ? > > The problem is not that there is site specific stuff in rc.local > but that that there is generic stuff in there which shouldn't be. You dropped some of the later context in this messare or missed some in another message. That stuff that is in /etc/rc.local is going to die a quick and abrubt death, it is evil, it writes to /etc on every single boot. > That file should be empty and nothing more than a hook out from rc > that I can use to start and set local stuff. It would then not need > to be touched or even looked at by an upgrade procedure. And that is what I am doing to it!!! So hold your horses, give me less email to read (and thus more time to work) and it will be done in FreeBSD as god had intended it!!! :-)) -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 11:36:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA27388 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:36:18 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA27378 ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:36:10 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA02755; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:36:10 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199506261836.LAA02755@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Cc: imp@village.org, nc@ai.net, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <12101.804091469@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 25, 95 03:44:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 527 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I do 'dual boot' by first installing a copy of the new root (kernel, etc. bin, sbin) in my 'working' partition.. (e.g. /b, /u1 or whatever) and typing sd(0,g)/kernel. I mount /usr directly, if I don't have room to have loaded that as well (though I usually do) that leaves the root totally untouched till I'm happy with the new one.. then I can mount the old one and over write it.. julian > > Dual boot, no and possibly never. The "oops, I want to go back now" > was covered in my previous message. > > Jordan > From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 11:44:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA27912 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:44:08 -0700 Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA27906 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:44:01 -0700 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by disperse.demon.co.uk id aa12035; 26 Jun 95 17:11 +0100 Received: from falstaf.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa02741; 26 Jun 95 17:11 +0100 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:48:14 GMT From: Robin Birch Reply-To: robin@falstaf.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <1@falstaf.demon.co.uk> To: hackers@freebsd.org MMDF-Warning: Unable to confirm address in preceding line at disperse.demon.co.uk Subject: Obtaining and installing 2.0.5 X-Mailer: FIMail V0.9d X-User: Alpha Test Version Of FI-Mail, DisWin 1.5C:\WINSOCK\WINDIS Lines: 21 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk -- Dear Sirs, I currently run a 2.0 system which I want to upgrade to 2.0.5. I can get stuff ftp'd down to a system and on to tape but I don't know how to build an installation tape from the 2.0.5 directory tree that you have on your system. I cannot connect the system that I have directly to the internet so a download using one of the existing methods is not available to me. Any suggestions?. Also, when does 2.1 appear on a CD?. Regards Robin Birch --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Robin Birch EMail robin@ | | Mail sent via Demon Internet - Full IP for 10/Month Tel:0181 371 1234 | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 12:00:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA28575 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 12:00:21 -0700 Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.191.196.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA28569 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 12:00:14 -0700 Received: (from tom@localhost) by misery.sdf.com (8.7.Beta.7/8.7.Beta.7) id MAA09139; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 12:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 12:03:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Adding stuff to services... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Would it be reasonable to request that the following be added to the standard /etc/services? *** services.old Mon Jun 26 11:58:33 1995 --- services Mon Jun 26 12:00:57 1995 *************** *** 1321,1326 **** --- 1321,1328 ---- pciarray 1552/udp issd 1600/tcp issd 1600/udp + radius 1645/udp + radacct 1646/udp nkd 1650/tcp nkd 1650/udp shiva_confsrvr 1651/tcp Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 12:26:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA29721 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 12:26:38 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA29714 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 12:26:30 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id FAA11249; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 05:21:05 +1000 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 05:21:05 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506261921.FAA11249@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: 2.05R reboot hangs Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >jmp 0xffff:0xfff0 is deadly on some machines unless a hard reset has >just occured. Many BIOS writers only expected to start executing >from that location on a hard reset and do not do full CPU chip >initialization. I think at least [3-4]86's can be initialized sufficiently in software. >And the first requirement is that you have a page that is mapped >physical==logical to do run the code in :-(. Page 0 is free and normally mapped to 0xf0000000. You just have to map it to 0 too. >> There's no way to reset all hardware properly, even for warm boots >> under DOS. Some BIOS's don't even reset serial ports that they >> support. >Correct, but setting location 0x471 to 0 helps a lot, as that tells >the BIOS to do a cold boot, memory test and all. Actually any value >other than the magic one we stuff in there in locore.s. 0x472-3. There is also a boot-type byte in the CMOS and a cold-boot flag in the keyboard controller. The boot-type byte defaults to a cold boot so FreeBSD doesn't need to touch it. I'm not sure if the keyboard flag is writable. FreeBSD shouldn't set the 0x472 magic at boot time; it should set it at reboot time only for controlled boots, or perhaps always for BIOSes that don't do sufficient initialization after a warm boot. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 12:36:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA00177 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 12:36:13 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA00168 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 12:36:09 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id FAA11536 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 05:34:33 +1000 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 05:34:33 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506261934.FAA11536@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: weird filesystem state (cannot remove files) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >there's absolutely no need to save a kernel that just proved to be >broken (and thereby destroying the valuable /kernel.old!), so i'm >normally clobbering such kernels, even if it's the currently running >one. >Anyway i realize, the ``make install'' approach including the immutable >flag is a Good Thing (tm) for the casual user. I think destroying /kernel.old is wrong for the casual user too. At least 3 kernels are required for the `make install' approach to be reasonable: /kernel, /kernel.old and /kernel.stable. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 13:11:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA02163 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:11:10 -0700 Received: from devnull (devnull.mpd.tandem.com [131.124.4.29]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA02153 ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:11:07 -0700 Received: from olympus by devnull (8.6.8/8.6.6) id PAA27704; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:10:52 -0500 Received: by olympus (4.1/TSS2.1) id AA26175; Mon, 26 Jun 95 15:11:03 CDT From: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner) Message-Id: <9506262011.AA26175@olympus> Subject: Re: Caldera Network Desktop To: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:11:03 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <28436.804035211@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 25, 95 00:06:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1005 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > I was working pretty heavily on a FreeCDE; it's kind of on the back > > burner for right now. Part of that was a Motif clone library called > > Mimic. I'd say it was further along than "LessTif", even though I > > Hmmm. You always seem to have about 14 projects going at once. Where > DO you work these days, eh Terry? C'mon, fess up! :-) > > We all know you're not with Novell anymore, but you've been pretty > cagey about your committments ever since you left and trying to decide > what kind of "engine" you represent is something of a challenge. > Right now I have you filed under "random text generators" in my global > resources database, right next to "jive" and "eliza".. :-) > > Jordan > A little less random than the Monroy program. OK, a lot. Boyd -- _______________________________________________________________________ Boyd Faulkner faulkner@isd.tandem.com _______________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 13:25:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA02867 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:25:00 -0700 Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA02859 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:24:55 -0700 Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.10/1.53) id WAA07613; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 22:24:18 +0200 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199506262024.WAA07613@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: Re: Adding stuff to services... To: tom@misery.sdf.com (Tom Samplonius) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 22:24:17 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Tom Samplonius" at Jun 26, 95 12:03:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 169 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Tom Samplonius wrote: > > > Would it be reasonable to request that the following be added to > the standard /etc/services? > Livingston (user), I presume? -Guido From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 13:37:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA03360 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:37:05 -0700 Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.191.196.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA03346 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:36:55 -0700 Received: (from tom@localhost) by misery.sdf.com (8.7.Beta.7/8.7.Beta.7) id NAA09333; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:40:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Guido van Rooij cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adding stuff to services... In-Reply-To: <199506262024.WAA07613@gvr.win.tue.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 26 Jun 1995, Guido van Rooij wrote: > Tom Samplonius wrote: > > > > > > Would it be reasonable to request that the following be added to > > the standard /etc/services? > > > Livingston (user), I presume? Yes, but USR Total Control units, and some (all?) Pipeline products support radius too. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 14:58:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA06122 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:58:33 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA06113 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:58:30 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA23789; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:58:26 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA14442 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:58:26 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA24000 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 22:10:54 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506262010.WAA24000@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: weird filesystem state (cannot remove files) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 22:10:53 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506261345.PAA03139@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph Kukulies" at Jun 26, 95 03:45:17 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 631 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > > Besides, what's wrong with a mode 555 /kernel? > > Nothing unless it confuses the 'mundane root user' who is not aware of > BSD 4.4 chflags. I vote for a 'See also' in chmod or a FAQ entry. Root's `ls' is currently aliased to `ls -g -k'. `-g' is obsolete now, and we should make this an alias to `ls -o -k'. The `-o' flag doesn't do anything for a regular `ls', but in conjunction with a `-l' it will display the file flags, too. Any objections? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 14:58:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA06143 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:58:36 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA06120 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:58:32 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA23803; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:58:29 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA14451 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:58:28 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA24055 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 22:24:48 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506262024.WAA24055@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: scsi reprobing To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 22:24:48 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506261152.MAA00268@lambda> from "Paul Richards" at Jun 26, 95 12:51:42 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 982 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Paul Richards wrote: > > Does any of this actually work? Opening a device that wasn't on when the > system booted results in "device not configured messages". > > The super scsi device doesn't exist and isn't reference in the scsi(4) > manpage. For the super device, we will have to wait until Peter is back again. For the other devices, it's a chicken-and-egg problem. You cannot open a non-configured device, but as soon as you've got a single control device on a SCSI bus, you can fire up a `scsi -f ... -r -t ...' on it. It doesn't actually matter which device you are using (and it didn't since the day when Julian has been creating scsi(8)), so you can e.g. ``scsi -f /dev/rsd0.ctl -r -t 5'' in order to probe SCSI target 5 when there's only sd0 already online. I've been using those reprobes for more than two years now. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 14:58:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA06160 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:58:38 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA06133 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:58:35 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA23812; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:58:32 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA14457 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:58:30 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA24214 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 22:47:43 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506262047.WAA24214@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 22:47:42 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506261519.KAA29341@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from "Joe Greco" at Jun 26, 95 10:19:57 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 608 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Joe Greco wrote: > > So I know of at least one 386sx/16 that can soak up 38.4k with 16*4*50's, > and my router was certainly capable of blasting lots of data all over the > place at speeds rather higher than that.... My laptop can also soak 38 k with its built-in 16450, it's also a sx/16. At 115 kbps, ftp xfer rate will reach 7 ... 8 KB/s, means about 75 % of the theoretical maximum (with h/w handshake). Needless to say that the CPU is loaded then. :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 14:58:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA06187 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:58:42 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA06130 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:58:34 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA23807; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:58:30 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA14454; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:58:29 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA24198; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 22:44:19 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506262044.WAA24198@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: update on keyboard lockup with SNAP To: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 22:44:19 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jan Isley" at Jun 26, 95 11:18:08 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 711 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jan Isley wrote: > > It is definitely related to the number of keystrokes, sort of. > It just spent about two hours playing with the system with no > keyboard freeze. [etc etc] Just curious, not that i think pcvt were cleaner code than syscons, but perhaps you can give it a try and report if your problem will go away? pcvt is just using totally different code for keyboard and screen handling, so we will be able to see if it's rather a keyboard- driver-related problem or something with your hardware. (Look into /sys/i386/conf/LINT on how to enable pcvt.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 14:58:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA06205 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:58:44 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA06171 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:58:40 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA23816; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:58:33 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA14460 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:58:31 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA24241 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 22:50:24 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506262050.WAA24241@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 22:50:23 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506261548.JAA06748@sargon.mdl.sandia.gov> from "Alan F Lundin" at Jun 26, 95 09:48:22 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 687 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Alan F Lundin wrote: > > > Further, /etc contains the per-host configuration information, so i > > don't see a good way to share a common /etc directory between multiple > > diskless hosts. > > union mount (If only it worked!) :-) mkdir base/host1/etc mkdir base/host2/etc mkdir base/host3/etc ... ln base/host1/etc/* base/host2/etc/ ln base/host1/etc/* base/host3/etc/ ...and manually edit the files that are different per host. Doesn't eat up all space on the server, and still allows for flexibility in the per-host configuration. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 15:06:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA06527 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:06:21 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA06521 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:06:20 -0700 Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com [16.1.0.22]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA09421 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:06:17 -0700 Received: from muggsy.lkg.dec.com by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA27607; Mon, 26 Jun 95 14:59:01 -0700 Received: from whydos.lkg.dec.com by muggsy.lkg.dec.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) with SMTP id AA23843; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:58:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whydos.lkg.dec.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA12446 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:59:55 GMT Message-Id: <199506261759.RAA12446@whydos.lkg.dec.com> X-Authentication-Warning: whydos.lkg.dec.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:33:43 MST." <199506251833.LAA01805@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5omega 10/6/94 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:59:54 +0000 From: Matt Thomas Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Here's a FreeBSD system with one FDDI and 5 Ethernet ports: (all of which are on PCI). FreeBSD 2.0.5-RELEASE #1: Sun Jul 23 16:36:19 1995 thomas@bsdos:/usr/src/sys/compile/ASUS CPU: 90-MHz Pentium 735\\90 (Pentium-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x525 Stepping=5 Features=0x1bf real memory = 16384000 (4000 pages) avail memory = 15060992 (3677 pages) Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 72065B fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface Probing for devices on the pci0 bus: configuration mode 1 allows 32 devices. pci0:0: INTEL CORPORATION, device=0x122d, class=bridge [not supported] pci0:7: INTEL CORPORATION, device=0x122e, class=bridge [not supported] fpa0 rev 0 int a irq 9 on pci0:9 reg16: virtual=0xf2a98000 physical=0xfbfff000 size=0x80 fpa0: DEC DEFPA PCI FDDI SAS Controller fpa0: FDDI address 08:00:2b:a2:33:1e, FW=2.46, HW=1, SMT V7.2 fpa0: FDDI Port = S (PMD = ANSI Multi-Mode) bpf: fpa0 attached de0 rev 35 int a irq 12 on pci0:10 reg20: virtual=0xf2a9c000 physical=0xfbfdf000 size=0x80 de0: DC21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.3 Ethernet address 00:00:c0:d9:99:0e de0: enabling 10baseT/UTP port bpf: de0 attached chip0 rev 1 on pci0:11 bridge from pci0 to pci1 through 1. ncr0 rev 2 int a irq 11 on pci0:12 reg20: virtual=0xf2a9d000 physical=0xfbdff000 size=0x100 ncr0: restart (scsi reset). ncr0 scanning for targets 0..6 (V2 pl21 95/03/21) (ncr0:0:0): "DEC RZ24L (C) DEC 476B" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ncr0:0:0): Direct-Access sd0(ncr0:0:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. 234MB (479350 512 byte sectors) pci0: uses 66048 bytes of memory from fbdff000 upto fbffffff. pci0: uses 512 bytes of I/O space from b800 upto e47f. pci0: subordinate busses from 1 upto 1. Probing for devices on the pci1 bus: de1 rev 35 int a irq 10 on pci1:0 [pci1 uses memory from fbe00000 to fbefffff] reg20: virtual=0xf2a9e000 physical=0xfbeff000 size=0x80 de1: DC21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.3 Ethernet address 08:00:2b:e4:17:49 de1: enabling Thinwire/AUI port bpf: de1 attached de2 rev 35 int a irq 10 on pci1:4 [pci1 uses memory from fbe00000 to fbefffff] reg20: virtual=0xf2a9f000 physical=0xfbefe000 size=0x80 de2: DC21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.3 Ethernet address 08:00:2b:e4:17:48 de2: enabling 10baseT/UTP port bpf: de2 attached using shared irq 10. de3 rev 35 int a irq 10 on pci1:8 [pci1 uses memory from fbe00000 to fbefffff] reg20: virtual=0xf2aa0000 physical=0xfbefd000 size=0x80 de3: DC21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.3 Ethernet address 08:00:2b:e4:17:45 de3: enabling Thinwire/AUI port bpf: de3 attached de4 rev 35 int a irq 10 on pci1:12 [pci1 uses memory from fbe00000 to fbefffff] reg20: virtual=0xf2aa1000 physical=0xfbefc000 size=0x80 de4: DC21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.3 Ethernet address 08:00:2b:e4:17:47 de4: enabling Thinwire/AUI port bpf: de4 attached pci1: uses 512 bytes of memory from fbefc000 upto fbeff07f. pci1: uses 512 bytes of I/O space from c800 upto d87f. bpf: lo0 attached From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 16:49:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA21958 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 16:49:00 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA21948 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 16:48:55 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA06713 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:47:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:47:41 -0400 Message-Id: <199506262347.TAA06713@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >: latency is a factor of throughput. Throughput is a timed measurement...more >: latency, less throughput. > >No. That is not the case. If I keep the pipe full, then I can have a >relatively large latency, but still get good throughput. > >For example, I routinely get 2.5K/s from a machine that is two 28.8 kbps >modems from the internet. The interactive latency is high, but I'm >still able to keep the pipe full of data. I also get 2.5K/s one hop >away as well. If what you are saying is true, I should get no better >than 14.4kbps, but I get closer to 28.8kbps. > >If you double latency, you do not decrease the throughput by 1/2, but >you need to double the window size because the "energy" of the pipe is >twice as great as the lower latency case. > You (and many others) are confusing throughput with utilization. Throughput is a performance measurement. Keeping a pipe full because of backlog does not equate to 100% throughput.... db From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 16:53:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA22516 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 16:53:49 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA22501 ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 16:53:40 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA02389; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 00:54:13 +0100 To: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner) cc: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard), hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Caldera Network Desktop In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:11:03 CDT." <9506262011.AA26175@olympus> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 00:54:13 +0100 Message-ID: <2387.804210853@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > A little less random than the Monroy program. OK, a lot. The Monroy program was discontinued due to lack of interest. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 17:11:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA24314 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:11:39 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA24272 ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:11:25 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA02175; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 00:23:31 +0100 To: Karl Strickland cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, imp@village.org, terry@cs.weber.edu, peter@bonkers.taronga.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:36:02 BST." <199506251936.UAA01307@bagpuss.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 00:23:30 +0100 Message-ID: <2173.804209010@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > except the guinness of course :-) Sorry to burst your bubble, but I don't drink.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 17:25:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA25773 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:25:30 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA25760 ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:25:24 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id CAA05581 ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 02:25:21 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id CAA18347 ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 02:25:20 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199506270025.CAA18347@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 02:25:20 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2173.804209010@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 27, 95 00:23:30 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD BUILT-19950501 ctm#617 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 347 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > except the guinness of course :-) > > Sorry to burst your bubble, but I don't drink.. :-) Don't tell me you've spent several years in Irlande without drinking Guinness ?? I can't believe it ... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 17:57:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA28265 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:57:10 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA28250 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:57:03 -0700 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA03579 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 01:57:26 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 01:57:26 +0100 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199506270057.BAA03579@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: A little off-topic, but.. Fresco? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I finally decided to build Fresco after going through the whole X11 build anyway (to link with -lgnumalloc, which does seem to work well for me at least so far). However, I see a rather large lack of sample APPLICATIONS for the thing. Hmmm? How are people testing the resulting library, if I may ask? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 18:15:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA29635 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 18:15:18 -0700 Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA29627 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 18:15:16 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id SAA23194 ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 18:15:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Mark Tinguely cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Funny archie in "Linux Unleashed" In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Jun 1995 12:14:10 CDT." <199506261714.MAA14952@plains.nodak.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 18:15:09 -0700 Message-ID: <23192.804215709@westhill.cdrom.com> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199506261714.MAA14952@plains.nodak.edu>, Mark Tinguely writes: >I was given a copy of Sam's Publishing's "Linux Unleashed" and there was >a funny example of archie. to show an archie response, they looked for >flexfax and the printed reply was from "freebsd.cdrom.com" and the files >were in the FreeBSD-current subdirectory. Subliminal advertisement for >FreeBSD? ROTFL :-) Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 18:44:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA00848 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 18:44:57 -0700 Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA00842 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 18:44:52 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spooky.rwwa.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA01238 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:47:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199506270147.VAA01238@spooky.rwwa.com> X-Authentication-Warning: spooky.rwwa.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Keyboard Mapping (DEL-BS) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:47:02 -0400 From: Robert Withrow Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Sometime back some lucky soul wrote here he had solved the perenial BACKSPACE-DELETE keyboard mapping problem using the US-ISO keyboard mapping and some additional legerdemain (sp?). I scanned through the FAQS and couldn't find it. Anyone remember? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 598 4480, Fax: +1 617 598 4430 Net: witr@rwwa.COM R.W. Withrow Associates, 319 Lynnway Suite 201, Lynn MA 01901 USA From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 19:07:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA01588 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:07:27 -0700 Received: from emory.mathcs.emory.edu (emory.mathcs.emory.edu [128.140.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA01582 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:07:24 -0700 Received: from bagend.UUCP by emory.mathcs.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_mathcs.4.0.14) via UUCP id AA22594 ; Mon, 26 Jun 95 22:07:09 -0400 Received: by bagend.atl.ga.us (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0sQPqX-0000yLC; Mon, 26 Jun 95 21:53 EDT Message-Id: From: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Subject: Re: update on keyboard lockup with SNAP To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506262044.WAA24198@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 26, 95 10:44:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1296 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch wrote: > Just curious, not that i think pcvt were cleaner code than syscons, > but perhaps you can give it a try and report if your problem will go > away? pcvt is just using totally different code for keyboard and > screen handling, so we will be able to see if it's rather a keyboard- > driver-related problem or something with your hardware. I built a new kernel with pcvt instead of sc0, installed it, read the man pages, etc... do you *really* have to type scon -cN to change screens with pcvt? ALT-FN did *other* things. :) By The Way ... guess what happens if you type "scon -c4" without ttyv5 enabled? Unless you know some magic incantation I could not find in the man pages, you have to hit the reset button to recover from that. I guess you could log in from some other source if that were configured *before* you did something stupid. :) Anyway, I rebooted, played around for a while, and then sat here typing esc-k-return (with bash set -ao vi that is) switching between four screens until my fingers cramped... came back later and did it another thousand times... it did not lock up with pcvt. I will try again later. Is that what you meant? -- Jan Isley If you couldn't find any weirdness, maybe we'll just have to make some! -- Hobbes From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 19:09:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA01694 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:09:07 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA01688 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:08:59 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA17182; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 11:39:38 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506270209.LAA17182@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Keyboard Mapping (DEL-BS) To: witr@rwwa.com (Robert Withrow) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 11:39:38 +0930 (CST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506270147.VAA01238@spooky.rwwa.com> from "Robert Withrow" at Jun 26, 95 09:47:02 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1057 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Robert Withrow stands accused of saying: > > Sometime back some lucky soul wrote here he had solved > the perenial BACKSPACE-DELETE keyboard mapping problem > using the US-ISO keyboard mapping and some additional > legerdemain (sp?). I scanned through the FAQS and > couldn't find it. Anyone remember? kbdcontrol -d >key.map vi key.map # format is self-explanatory kbdcontrol -l key.map I have a custom keymap that swaps BS and DEL. It used to give NUL on ctrl-space, but this is now in the default keymap anyway. Put the keymap file somewhere convenient, and read it in out of rc.local. > Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 598 4480, Fax: +1 617 598 4430 Net: witr@rwwa.COM -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 19:11:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA01837 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:11:56 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA01830 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:11:50 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA05443 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 03:12:26 +0100 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Pete Cottrell: FreeBSD - Good News and Bad News Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 03:12:25 +0100 Message-ID: <5441.804219145@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Sigh!! FYI.. ------- Forwarded Message From: pete@cs.UMD.EDU (Pete Cottrell) Message-Id: <199506270110.VAA13354@zippy.cs.UMD.EDU> Subject: FreeBSD - Good News and Bad News Jordan - the good news is that FreeBSD has gotten print in a major newspaper. The bad news is .... well, they got the story a bit wrong. I have pointed out the error of their ways in a posting to a DC-area newsgroup in hopes of getting the correct story out. FYI, the "DigitalFlubs" column each week spotlights some techno-glitch or computer item gone awry. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% From the June 26th, 1995 "DigitalFlubs" column of the WashTech part of the business section, published in every Monday's Washington Post: A piece of security software widely used on computer networks has a hole in it. The federally funded Computer Emergency Response Team said it has distributed instructions on how to correct the problem in FreeBSD, a program created by a software engineer in the Netherlands. In some circumstances, the hole lets people tapping into a computer see and alter information that should be off-limits to them. FreeBSD is an "enhancement" to S/Key, a program that controls password access to networked computers. S/Key itself does not have the problem. ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 19:24:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA02272 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:24:18 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA02266 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:24:11 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA05523 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 03:24:50 +0100 Prev-Resent: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 03:24:49 +0100 Prev-Resent: "hackers@freebsd.org " Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA01790 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:10:03 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spooky.rwwa.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA01388 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 22:12:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199506270212.WAA01388@spooky.rwwa.com> X-Authentication-Warning: spooky.rwwa.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: jkh@freebsd.org Subject: IDE CDROM driver? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 22:12:14 -0400 From: Robert Withrow Resent-To: hackers@freebsd.org Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 03:24:50 +0100 Resent-Message-ID: <5521.804219890@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Resent-From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I looked around the www site (and ftp) trying to find a list of ``projects''. I thought there was one, but no joy. Is the IDE CDROM driver being worked on? If not I thought I might take a crack at it... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 598 4480, Fax: +1 617 598 4430 Net: witr@rwwa.COM R.W. Withrow Associates, 319 Lynnway Suite 201, Lynn MA 01901 USA From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 21:52:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA06047 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:52:25 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA06036 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:52:22 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA11715; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 06:52:19 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id GAA17224; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 06:52:18 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id GAA26424; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 06:41:21 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506270441.GAA26424@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: matt@lkg.dec.com (Matt Thomas) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 06:41:21 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506261759.RAA12446@whydos.lkg.dec.com> from "Matt Thomas" at Jun 26, 95 05:59:54 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 424 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Matt Thomas wrote: > > > Here's a FreeBSD system with one FDDI and 5 Ethernet ports: > (all of which are on PCI). I think this would be worth a mention in http://freefall.cdrom.com/What/uses.html, as suggested by Jordan in his "General call - please help the doc project!". -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 22:25:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA06944 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 22:25:34 -0700 Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [131.188.40.80]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA06938 ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 22:25:29 -0700 Received: from pizza by rachael.franken.de with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0sQMI1-000oJXC; Tue, 27 Jun 95 00:05 MET DST Received: by pizza.franken.de (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.4) id ; Mon, 26 Jun 95 23:42 MET DST Received: (from scratchy@localhost) by vulcan.franken.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA21470; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:28:30 +0200 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:28:30 +0200 From: Volker Paepcke Message-Id: <199506261828.UAA21470@vulcan.franken.de> To: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG CC: imp@village.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <13565.804125202@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> (jkh@FreeBSD.ORG) Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 01:06:42 +0100 > From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG > > > I'm curious why dual boot is a "no and possibly never"? Windows NT > > can install itself in such a way as I can boot either 3.1 or 3.5. > > This is useful for testing to see if the new OS is sane enough (like > > running make on the programs that you are developing, eg) and gives > > you a way to back out quickly to a known good level. > > Just the amount of work involved is all. You can't have 2 FreeBSD > slices on a disk and boot from the second one as the boot code is too > stupid to understand that you might want to boot from something other > than the first one it finds. If you can think of a way of making > dual-boot work in all possible scenarios, then I'm certainly not > adverse.. > > Jordan > Hi! On my machine I have 3 different version (2.0-R, 0422-SNAP, 2.0.5R) on one disk and two more an another disk. All these systems are bootable with a little trick: I mark those systems which are not currently in use by setting the sysid with fdisk to 164 (dec). The one remaining on 165 is the one I'm booting from. Because this is a little complicated procedure I've saved the bootblocks including the booteasy booter in every constellation to the disk and swap these in and out at will with dd before a reboot. A probably better solution would be to let booteasy announce partitions with sysid 164 as FreeBSD partitions too. After choosing the boot partition the sysids on all FreeBSD partitions will be set to 164 except for the selected partition from which I want to boot. With the new diskslice code I will be able to access all the other partitions of the inactive systems. Is it possible to make the appropriate changes to the booteasy code? bye, volker BTW, the sysinstall procedure is VERY, VERY nice, although I'd like some more "hacker" functions like labeling the disks step by step and the possibility to recover a previously saved system (e.g. with dump) from tape. To do this I only need to label the disk, run newfs and get a /bin/sh to run restore manually to load the data from tape. I won't need a fixit floppy anymore if I could do all this with one great boot floppy :-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 22:50:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA07624 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 22:50:15 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA07617 ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 22:50:09 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA05999; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 06:50:40 +0100 To: Volker Paepcke cc: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, imp@village.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:28:30 +0200." <199506261828.UAA21470@vulcan.franken.de> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 06:50:39 +0100 Message-ID: <5997.804232239@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > A probably better solution would be to let booteasy announce > partitions with sysid 164 as FreeBSD partitions too. After choosing > the boot partition the sysids on all FreeBSD partitions will be set to Hmmm. I think I'll let Serge comment on that.. :-) > BTW, the sysinstall procedure is VERY, VERY nice, although I'd like > some more "hacker" functions like labeling the disks step by step and > the possibility to recover a previously saved system (e.g. with dump) > from tape. To do this I only need to label the disk, run newfs and get > a /bin/sh to run restore manually to load the data from tape. I won't > need a fixit floppy anymore if I could do all this with one great boot > floppy :-) I do have features like that very much in mind! I don't know if I'll get "dump" on there, but I could at least let you restore from a (possibly multi-volume) tar tape. That wouldn't be too bad of an interim solution while I think about it some more. Maybe in 2.1! :) Thanks.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 23:30:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA09371 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:30:33 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA09365 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:30:29 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA05775; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:30:11 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506270630.XAA05775@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Adding stuff to services... To: tom@misery.sdf.com (Tom Samplonius) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Tom Samplonius" at Jun 26, 95 12:03:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1157 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > Would it be reasonable to request that the following be added to > the standard /etc/services? Not an unreasonable request, but not the correct place to request it. This file comes more or less verbatium from an RFC. So to get this in there correctly and permanently and on everyone elses machine too the place to make this change request is to the RFC maintainers. The latest known RFC to have been commited was: revision 1.11 date: 1995/04/09 03:02:08; author: ache; state: Exp; lines: +1637 -161 Upgrade to RFC1700 (IANA) ---------------------------- Meanwhile someone can go commit this, but it may very well disappear next time the RFC is updated. > *** services.old Mon Jun 26 11:58:33 1995 > --- services Mon Jun 26 12:00:57 1995 > *************** > *** 1321,1326 **** > --- 1321,1328 ---- > pciarray 1552/udp > issd 1600/tcp > issd 1600/udp > + radius 1645/udp > + radacct 1646/udp > nkd 1650/tcp > nkd 1650/udp > shiva_confsrvr 1651/tcp > > > > Tom > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 26 23:47:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA10510 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:47:28 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA10504 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:47:25 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA05808; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:46:33 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506270646.XAA05808@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 2.05R reboot hangs To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, hackers@freebsd.org, wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu In-Reply-To: <199506261921.FAA11249@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 27, 95 05:21:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2158 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > >jmp 0xffff:0xfff0 is deadly on some machines unless a hard reset has > >just occured. Many BIOS writers only expected to start executing > >from that location on a hard reset and do not do full CPU chip > >initialization. > > I think at least [3-4]86's can be initialized sufficiently in software. There is a world of difference between ``can be'' and ``are'' in the world of PC bioses and the folks who write them!! > >And the first requirement is that you have a page that is mapped > >physical==logical to do run the code in :-(. > > Page 0 is free and normally mapped to 0xf0000000. You just have to > map it to 0 too. Ewwwweeeee... page 0, the BIOS data page. You want me to try and call the BIOS from the BIOS data area?? Are you SICK :-) :-) :-) Bong... try again... oh.. wait, doesnt the BIOS data area end at 0x500? So I could do what I wanted in say 0x500->0x1000 right?? > >> There's no way to reset all hardware properly, even for warm boots > >> under DOS. Some BIOS's don't even reset serial ports that they > >> support. > > >Correct, but setting location 0x471 to 0 helps a lot, as that tells > >the BIOS to do a cold boot, memory test and all. Actually any value > >other than the magic one we stuff in there in locore.s. > > 0x472-3. There is also a boot-type byte in the CMOS and a cold-boot > flag in the keyboard controller. The boot-type byte defaults to a > cold boot so FreeBSD doesn't need to touch it. I'm not sure if the > keyboard flag is writable. FreeBSD shouldn't set the 0x472 magic > at boot time; it should set it at reboot time only for controlled > boots, or perhaps always for BIOSes that don't do sufficient > initialization after a warm boot. I agree with not setting the 0x472 magic in locore, I've been tempted every time I see it to just rip it out. If any place this should go in cpu_reset() or boot(). The other stuff is probably best just left alone, too many different implementations (ie, they are not documented officially). -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 01:47:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA16762 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 01:47:13 -0700 Received: from ben.octet.com (ben.octet.com [198.6.71.55]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA16754 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 01:47:10 -0700 Received: (from ilya@localhost) by ben.octet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id EAA00876; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 04:35:57 GMT Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 04:35:57 +0000 () From: Ilya Ravich To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Wireless Ethernet (update) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk There has been some good news regarding FreeBSD drivers for wireless ethernet (AIRLan). According to Mike Pearce , these cards are based on WaveLan chipset from NCR/AT&T. All of the original documentation (which I do not have) comes from NCR, and, unfortunately, Solectek (Tel: 800-437-1518) is not too keen or releasing it. Mike was also kind enough to provide the source for AirLAN/AirWAVE ISA card driver for Linux: > Here it is. I also threw in some other code I found for Berkeley-like > UNIX'es from Harvard (for the Mach kernel), and one for BSDI from > Indiana (this one is kind of a hack, from the looks of it, but it may > be useful for reference). I never had the time to make these work, but > at least they're not under the GPL. All of this is now available for download -- ftp to octet.com; get /pub/wireless/wavelan-code.tar -- or email me for uuencoded version. Now, this is a start. As I mentioned before, I am not a kernel-level man, so I probably won't be able to get it woking on FreeBSD. Anyone out there who can/wants/needs to -- please contact me on this one. Those who asked about availability of these cards: price for the ISA version is $699 -- this comes with a small antenna (up to 800 feet). A 3-mile directional antenna kit goes for $499. I am not certain about export restrictions, but I can find out if need be. Cheers, Ilya From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 02:03:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA18119 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 02:03:22 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA18071 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 02:02:54 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <55573>; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 11:01:28 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA02231; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:55:42 +0200 Message-Id: <199506261555.RAA02231@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) cc: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: ports/x11/xview-clients broken In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:52:04 +0200." <199506241052.DAA05349@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:55:41 +0200 From: "Julian Stacey " Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Thanks Chris. Julian, can you ftp the xview-* stuff and try again? Well I just tried on a rebuilt tree, (from my master sites's (PCS) archive, this time, it extracts & creates a .build_done, but didnt actually run cc, or anything, I'll forget this one, it's not something I use anyway, & time is short. Julian S From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 03:35:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA26788 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 03:35:40 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA26772 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 03:35:26 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA04080; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:30:05 +1000 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:30:05 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506271030.UAA04080@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: 2.05R reboot hangs Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> >jmp 0xffff:0xfff0 is deadly on some machines unless a hard reset has >> >just occured. Many BIOS writers only expected to start executing >> >from that location on a hard reset and do not do full CPU chip >> >initialization. >> >> I think at least [3-4]86's can be initialized sufficiently in software. >There is a world of difference between ``can be'' and ``are'' in the >world of PC bioses and the folks who write them!! You initialize it before jumping to the reset vector. >> Page 0 is free and normally mapped to 0xf0000000. You just have to >> map it to 0 too. >Ewwwweeeee... page 0, the BIOS data page. You want me to try and >call the BIOS from the BIOS data area?? Are you SICK :-) :-) :-) >Bong... try again... oh.. wait, doesnt the BIOS data area end >at 0x500? So I could do what I wanted in say 0x500->0x1000 right?? The whole page is garbage after cold boots. It might be safer to leave 0x400-0x4ff alone in case the BIOS is broken. The interrupt vectors will be corrupted after a dosboot to FreeBSD so you have to rely on the BIOS reinitializing them. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 03:39:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA27099 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 03:39:53 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA27035 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 03:38:19 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA22870; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 12:29:57 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id MAA01746; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 12:29:57 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id HAA26662; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 07:16:43 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506270516.HAA26662@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: update on keyboard lockup with SNAP To: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 07:16:42 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: from "Jan Isley" at Jun 26, 95 09:53:49 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1333 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jan Isley wrote: > > I built a new kernel with pcvt instead of sc0, installed it, read > the man pages, etc... do you *really* have to type scon -cN to > change screens with pcvt? ALT-FN did *other* things. :) By The Err, Ctrl-Alt-F, consistently with XFree86. (There's also F9 through F12 for the first four screens, and Alt-F12 for cycling through the screens.) Hmm, i should have pointed you to the documentation in /usr/src/usr.sbin/pcvt/Misc. My fault. (Jordan, is this another candidate for an extra source dist? Should be fairly small, but i hesitate to duplicate the information there somewhere in a FAQ, since this will require extra maintenance.) > Anyway, I rebooted, played around for a while, and then sat here > typing esc-k-return (with bash set -ao vi that is) switching between > four screens until my fingers cramped... came back later and did it > another thousand times... it did not lock up with pcvt. I will try > again later. Well, you `vi' fans out there. Wouldn't have it been better to temporarily ``set -o emacs'' and simly hit the up arrow key? :-} > Is that what you meant? Seems like a problem of the kbd driver in syscons... Søren??? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 04:48:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA04213 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 04:48:07 -0700 Received: from laphroaig.cs.hut.fi (hsu@laphroaig.cs.hut.fi [130.233.192.94]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA04136 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 04:47:24 -0700 Received: by laphroaig.cs.hut.fi id AA24013 (5.65c8/HUTCS-C 1.3 for hackers@freebsd.org); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:43:09 +0300 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:43:09 +0300 From: Heikki Suonsivu Message-Id: <199506271143.AA24013@laphroaig.cs.hut.fi> To: Joe Greco Cc: hsu@cs.hut.fi (Heikki Suonsivu), davidg@root.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router In-Reply-To: <199506261519.KAA29341@brasil.moneng.mei.com> References: <199506250512.IAA07090@shadows.cs.hut.fi> <199506261519.KAA29341@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Otaniemi, Finland Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Joe Greco writes: > Say WHAT? > > I used to have a 386SX/16 here in the office with a SMC Ethernet card and > ^^ > a bunch of 16550's, that I used as a terminal server (recently upgraded to a > 386DX/16). It handles 4 modems, a high speed (38400) network connection > to another box, and from time to time when I am loading FreeBSD, I connect > another 386sx/16 with 16450's, and set up a hardwire SLIP link between the > two at 115200. Have you tried current kernels? We haven't had any problems with systems running 1.1.5.1 (including one 386/40 with 5 active ethernets and 4 active serial ports?) > So I know of at least one 386sx/16 that can soak up 38.4k with 16*4*50's, > and my router was certainly capable of blasting lots of data all over the > place at speeds rather higher than that.... I have two systems 386/16 ----- 38400bps leased ------------ 486/40 SMC 8013 5 ethernets (NE2000 and SMC) 6 16550 serial ports (4 and 4 used, respectively) separate 2-port 16550 card all ports true 16550 chips (not true NS) probably late revision (new) Both a dedicated routers, with extra hardware to minimum (multi-io, ide boot disk, not much used, vga, ethernet cards and serial ports). Both machines loose interrupts in large quantity. 386/16 is running 2.0.5, 486/40 has got a bit older -current kernel (a couple of weeks, I guess). 486/40 has got a couple of native 115.2k leased connections, which may be the source of the problem there, but it doesn't seem to be related to activity on those links. The only software running on these systems are pppd's and gated. -- Heikki Suonsivu, T{ysikuu 10 C 83/02210 Espoo/FINLAND, hsu@cs.hut.fi home +358-0-8031121 work -4513377 fax -4555276 riippu SN From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 05:36:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA07380 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 05:36:23 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA07354 ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 05:36:17 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA06756; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 13:36:28 +0100 To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley), freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Subject: Re: update on keyboard lockup with SNAP In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jun 1995 07:16:42 +0200." <199506270516.HAA26662@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 13:36:28 +0100 Message-ID: <6754.804256588@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > (Jordan, is this another candidate for an extra source dist? Should > be fairly small, but i hesitate to duplicate the information there > somewhere in a FAQ, since this will require extra maintenance.) Hmmmm. I'm reluctant, but let's talk about it when I get back - I need to carefully assess which parts of the system still aren't making it out in dist form, and how many dists we need to cover those cases. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 07:19:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA13835 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 07:19:53 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA13829 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 07:19:47 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-8) id AA19970; Tue, 27 Jun 95 16:19:35 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id QAA05493; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:33:24 +0200 Message-Id: <199506271433.QAA05493@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: how to turn local system into Xterminal To: Guido.vanRooij@nl.cis.philips.com Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:33:24 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) In-Reply-To: from "Guido van Rooij" at Jun 27, 95 12:16:09 pm From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3466 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I have a complete FreeBSD (2.0.5R) and XFree 3.1.1 setup. > I like to have the possibility to sometimes just act as an xterminal, > without having to boot again. Of course I should configure a remote > machines xdm so it is willing to serve me. But what should I do > locally? Just starting an xserver isn't enough of course..How do I tell > the remote machine it should open up the xdm logon window? > > -Guido > You have to twiddle with /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xservers and Xaccess. Our host ncd1 is an true X-terminal and it has set up some type of XDCMP protocol which escaped me for the moment. The question is what to tell xdm to do when you start it on you FreeBSD-X-Terminal. Xservers on gil: # # Xservers file, workstation prototype # # This file should contain an entry to start the server on the # local display; if you have more than one display (not screen), # you can add entries to the list (one per line). If you also # have some X terminals connected which do not support XDMCP, # you can add them here as well. Each X terminal line should # look like: # XTerminalName:0 foreign # #:0 local /usr/X386/bin/X ncd1:0 foreign Xaccess on gil: # $XConsortium: Xaccess,v 1.5 91/08/26 11:52:51 rws Exp $ # # Access control file for XDMCP connections # # To control Direct and Broadcast access: # # pattern # # To control Indirect queries: # # pattern list of hostnames and/or macros ... # # To use the chooser: # # pattern CHOOSER BROADCAST # # or # # pattern CHOOSER list of hostnames and/or macros ... # # To define macros: # # %name list of hosts ... # # The first form tells xdm which displays to respond to itself. # The second form tells xdm to forward indirect queries from hosts matching # the specified pattern to the indicated list of hosts. # The third form tells xdm to handle indirect queries using the chooser; # the chooser is directed to send its own queries out via the broadcast # address and display the results on the terminal. # The fourth form is similar to the third, except instead of using the # broadcast address, it sends DirectQuerys to each of the hosts in the list # # In all cases, xdm uses the first entry which matches the terminal; # for IndirectQuery messages only entries with right hand sides can # match, for Direct and Broadcast Query messages, only entries without # right hand sides can match. # * #any host can get a login window # # To hardwire a specific terminal to a specific host, you can # leave the terminal sending indirect queries to this host, and # use an entry of the form: # #terminal-a host-a # # The nicest way to run the chooser is to just ask it to broadcast # requests to the network - that way new hosts show up automatically. # Sometimes, however, the chooser can't figure out how to broadcast, # so this may not work in all environments. # #* CHOOSER BROADCAST #any indirect host can get a chooser # # If you'd prefer to configure the set of hosts each terminal sees, # then just uncomment these lines (and comment the CHOOSER line above) # and edit the %hostlist line as appropriate # # some hosts CHOOSER is offering: %hostlist axp02 axp03 axp04 axp05 acds gilberto * CHOOSER %hostlist # --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950619 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0619 #1: Mon Jun 19 19:54:08 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 07:44:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA14970 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 07:44:00 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA14954 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 07:43:57 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-8) id AA20146; Tue, 27 Jun 95 16:43:50 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id QAA05565 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:57:39 +0200 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:57:39 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199506271457.QAA05565@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: ftp from PC slow only with BSD systems Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk A colleague is using ftp (CU ftp or maybe NCSA - don't know exactly what) on a DOS notebook (with a parallel port to ethernet adapter). He is wondering why he's getting only 0.2 KB/s with all the FreeBSD systems in out local network while he's getting normal transfer rates (several 10s to 100 KB/s) to other OS brand machines. Anyone seen similar effects? --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950619 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0619 #1: Mon Jun 19 19:54:08 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 07:47:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA15294 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 07:47:57 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA15282 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 07:47:53 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-8) id AA20211; Tue, 27 Jun 95 16:47:49 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id RAA05591; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:01:37 +0200 Message-Id: <199506271501.RAA05591@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: how to turn local system into Xterminal To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:01:37 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) In-Reply-To: <199506271433.QAA05493@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph Kukulies" at Jun 27, 95 04:33:24 pm From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 293 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > I have a complete FreeBSD (2.0.5R) and XFree 3.1.1 setup. > > I like to have the possibility to sometimes just act as an xterminal, Excuse for sending the reply into the wrong list. Should have gone to -questions. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 07:57:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA15998 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 07:57:51 -0700 Received: from gateway.us.sidwell.edu (gateway.us.sidwell.edu [198.3.254.33]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA15992 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 07:57:47 -0700 Received: (from rwatson@localhost) by gateway.us.sidwell.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) id KAA02868; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:57:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:57:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: rwatson@gateway.us.sidwell.edu To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: hackers-digest V1 #138 In-Reply-To: <199506260950.CAA05561@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: Organization: The Sidwell Friends School MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 26 Jun 1995 owner-hackers-digest@freefall.cdrom.com wrote: > From: J Wunsch > Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 00:35:53 +0200 (MET DST) > Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP > > As Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > Yeah. Nothing that can't be overwritten should be in /etc. > > > > The sysconfig stuf should go in /var. /var is per machine. > > Totally disagreed. > > /var is basically crap. /var/spool and /var/crash come to mind. > Nobody is really going to even backup that crap. Our current > filesystem layout allows to go _all_ configuration information from > /etc to fit onto a single standard floppy. With all due respect.. /var/mail and /var/spool/uucp (or such) are not crap ;). Next time you do an upgrade on an internet service providers mail mail server, you'll hear that /var/mail is not crap ;). My objection to sysconfig on var, however, is that quite a few people mount /var from its own file system -- /etc is always on the root file system so fsab is accessibl (not to mention all the bootup info ;). /var sounds like a good place to keep the system config file however (eg., GENERIC, not sysconfig -- sysconfig configues all the boottime scripts, so I'd personally keep that in etc.) Var in my mind seems to imply the hardware runtime information and possible hardware configuration (kernelwise) as opposed to etc which seems to imply system settings relevant to boottime -- sysconfig is certainly that. Robert Watson rwatson@sidwell.edu http://www.sidwell.edu/~rwatson/ The goal of science is to build better mousetraps. The goal of nature is to build better mice. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 08:49:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA18958 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 08:49:29 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA18951 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 08:49:25 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-8) id AA20735; Tue, 27 Jun 95 17:48:39 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id SAA05781 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 18:02:23 +0200 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 18:02:23 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199506271602.SAA05781@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: FreeBSD Installation Handbook Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ages hence I read about someone who compiled some kind of installation handbook for FreeBSD. What happened to that project? --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950619 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 09:06:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA19605 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:06:50 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA19598 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:06:42 -0700 Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA00396 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 12:07:36 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199506271607.MAA00396@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Random Lockups To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 12:07:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 429 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On one of our 486's and now my Micron, the system will lock up solid causing a hard reboot in the 486 case. In the P100 case the system has to be reset by the button. Has anyone else experienced this? This has happened quite frequently with the 2.0.5R, never with the 0210-SNAP or 04-SNAP -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 09:55:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA21560 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:55:41 -0700 Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.191.196.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA21547 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:55:31 -0700 Received: (from tom@localhost) by misery.sdf.com (8.7.Beta.7/8.7.Beta.7) id JAA11121; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:59:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: "Christoph P. Kukulies" cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: ftp from PC slow only with BSD systems In-Reply-To: <199506271457.QAA05565@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 27 Jun 1995, Christoph P. Kukulies wrote: > A colleague is using ftp (CU ftp or maybe NCSA - don't know exactly > what) on a DOS notebook (with a parallel port to ethernet > adapter). He is wondering why he's getting only 0.2 KB/s > with all the FreeBSD systems in out local network while > he's getting normal transfer rates (several 10s to 100 KB/s) > to other OS brand machines. Try turning off TCP extensions on the FreeBSD system. They are probably choking the laptop. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 09:56:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA21611 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:56:31 -0700 Received: from haven.ios.com (haven.ios.com [198.4.75.45]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA21601 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:56:24 -0700 Received: (from rashid@localhost) by haven.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA13692; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 12:59:05 -0400 From: "Rashid Karimov." Message-Id: <199506271659.MAA13692@haven.ios.com> Subject: Re: Random Lockups To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 12:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506271607.MAA00396@crh.cl.msu.edu> from "Charles Henrich" at Jun 27, 95 12:07:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1471 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi there, > > On one of our 486's and now my Micron, the system will lock up solid causing > a hard reboot in the 486 case. In the P100 case the system has to be reset > by the button. Has anyone else experienced this? This has happened quite > frequently with the 2.0.5R, never with the 0210-SNAP or 04-SNAP Well, allegedly the lock-up could be caused by QUOTAs code or "rlogin" command under cirtain circumstances ( it was reorted here a day ago) . I'm expiriencing the stuff regularly on P90/128Mb/Bustec. Never had the problem with previous SNAP code :( If any1 here thinks about switching to 205 to run the server - DO NOT DO IT ! The system is not stable :( Alas :( Nodoby apparently is working on those mysterious lock-ups. What's the position of the chief architect - Jordan ? Should we really be concerned about bleeding edge instead of robustness ??? 1% enhancements and not the way to smoothly upgrade the system with new version ? How can FreeBSD get its share of market w/o it ? Who will be willing to run the system but computer geeks ? It's clear that FreeBSD outbits Linux as server. But w/o non-working QUOTAs and constant lock-ups in 205 who will use it ? It's also clear it's constantly loosing the the workstation market - Linux is everywhere ... The books - 4 or 5 of them are out there already .. the support for the latest video-cards... Oh boys - there IS something to worry about IMHO ... Rashid From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 10:14:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA22409 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:14:03 -0700 Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA22397 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:14:00 -0700 Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.10/1.53) id TAA09420; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 19:13:55 +0200 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199506271713.TAA09420@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: ipfw code To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 19:13:54 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 391 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Currently, th ip_fw code has an option to block on packets with the SYN falg set. I think this is useless as it basically blocks all tcp traffic. What should be implemented is a way to block those packages with the ACK bit set. This is usefull for allowing conections only from one host to another and not the other way around. Can we agree on the SYN code replace by the ACK code? -Guido From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 10:14:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA22459 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:14:44 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA22453 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:14:41 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA06821; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:14:02 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506271714.KAA06821@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 2.05R reboot hangs To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, hackers@freebsd.org, wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu In-Reply-To: <199506271030.UAA04080@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 27, 95 08:30:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2034 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > >> >jmp 0xffff:0xfff0 is deadly on some machines unless a hard reset has > >> >just occured. Many BIOS writers only expected to start executing > >> >from that location on a hard reset and do not do full CPU chip > >> >initialization. > >> > >> I think at least [3-4]86's can be initialized sufficiently in software. > > >There is a world of difference between ``can be'' and ``are'' in the > >world of PC bioses and the folks who write them!! > > You initialize it before jumping to the reset vector. One that is very very hard to get right for most [3-4]86's is the CPUID that is stored id DX:AX on power up reset since that is the only way to get this value. > >> Page 0 is free and normally mapped to 0xf0000000. You just have to > >> map it to 0 too. > > >Ewwwweeeee... page 0, the BIOS data page. You want me to try and > >call the BIOS from the BIOS data area?? Are you SICK :-) :-) :-) > >Bong... try again... oh.. wait, doesnt the BIOS data area end > >at 0x500? So I could do what I wanted in say 0x500->0x1000 right?? > > The whole page is garbage after cold boots. It might be safer to > leave 0x400-0x4ff alone in case the BIOS is broken. The interrupt > vectors will be corrupted after a dosboot to FreeBSD so you have to > rely on the BIOS reinitializing them. I don't want to call cold boot, I guess that was not clear from above. Also jumping to 0xFFFF:0000 (note your address above is not the reset vector the value here is) is not a documented interface to the BIOS. Calling cold boot is about as reliable as triple faulting or hitting the keyboard reset. The one and only proper way to make this work reliable on all machines as far as I can tell would be a good old int 0x19, and that means I had better leave the BDA's intact. I don't want to go do this only to use another interface that is just us unofficial as what we have now. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 10:25:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA23612 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:25:16 -0700 Received: from tserv.lodgenet.com (root@dial13.iw.net [204.157.148.62]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA23482 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:23:49 -0700 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (jake.lodgenet.com [204.124.120.30]) by tserv.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA01140; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 12:22:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jake.lodgenet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA21424; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 12:23:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199506271723.MAA21424@jake.lodgenet.com> X-Authentication-Warning: jake.lodgenet.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) cc: hackers@freebsd.org, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: update on keyboard lockup with SNAP In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:18:08 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 12:23:06 -0500 From: "Eric L. Hernes" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > It is definitely related to the number of keystrokes, sort of. > It just spent about two hours playing with the system with no > keyboard freeze. And then it occurred to me that when it locked > up before I was changing windows a lot but this time I had not. > So, with four virtual terminals logged in and one finger on the > ALT key, with something going in each window, like vmstat, top, > etc, I switched windows about once a second ... for about one > minute ... then the keyboard froze. Output from top continued > to the window I got stuck on. Nothing, not even lighting the > caps lock light worked from the keyboard after that... had to > hit the reset button. I had a this problem about a year ago on a bsdi box. I could run stuff on the machine, and I could type for a while, but eventually the keyboard would just lock up. I ended up replacing the keyboard bios on the motherboard and everything started working. > -- > Jan Isley > coordinator, usenet volunteer votetakers > eric. -- erich@lodgenet.com erich@rrnet.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 10:33:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA24301 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:33:10 -0700 Received: from mail1.wolfe.net (mail1.wolfe.net [204.157.98.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA24293 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:33:08 -0700 Received: from gonzo.wolfe.net (moore@gonzo.wolfe.net [204.157.98.2]) by mail1.wolfe.net (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id KAA17519 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:34:35 -0700 From: Timothy Moore Received: (moore@localhost) by gonzo.wolfe.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id KAA15968; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:32:53 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:32:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199506271732.KAA15968@gonzo.wolfe.net> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 2 Gig DAT drives Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone have recomendations about 2 Gig SCSI DAT drives that they're using with FreeBSD? In particular, how about WangDAT drives? Tim From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 11:00:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA26235 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 11:00:18 -0700 Received: from husky.cslab.vt.edu (jaitken@cslab.cs.vt.edu [128.173.41.87]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA26229 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 11:00:16 -0700 Received: (jaitken@localhost) by husky.cslab.vt.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id OAA16095; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:00:03 -0400 From: Jeff Aitken Message-Id: <199506271800.OAA16095@husky.cslab.vt.edu> Subject: Re: Random Lockups To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506271607.MAA00396@crh.cl.msu.edu> from "Charles Henrich" at Jun 27, 95 12:07:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 827 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > On one of our 486's and now my Micron, the system will lock up solid causing > a hard reboot in the 486 case. In the P100 case the system has to be reset > by the button. Has anyone else experienced this? This has happened quite > frequently with the 2.0.5R, never with the 0210-SNAP or 04-SNAP With 2.0.5R, I've had this happen twice now. Once was during heavy disk activity, the second was right after I ran the command 'ispcvt'. In both cases, the machine hung, with the disk activity light on, and I had to shut the thing off and back on to reset it. There are no log messages, no messages on the console, no nothing indicating why this happened. This is a 486DX/2 with 16MB, NCR 53c810, micropolis 4110 drive, and the usual goodies (serial card, parallel port, soundblaster card) -- Jeff Aitken jaitken@vt.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 11:17:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA26764 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 11:17:59 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA26758 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 11:17:55 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-8) id AA22077; Tue, 27 Jun 95 20:17:49 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id UAA06032; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:31:31 +0200 Message-Id: <199506271831.UAA06032@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: ftp from PC slow only with BSD systems To: tom@sdf.com (Tom Samplonius) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:31:30 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) In-Reply-To: from "Tom Samplonius" at Jun 27, 95 09:59:02 am From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 887 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > On Tue, 27 Jun 1995, Christoph P. Kukulies wrote: > > > A colleague is using ftp (CU ftp or maybe NCSA - don't know exactly > > what) on a DOS notebook (with a parallel port to ethernet > > adapter). He is wondering why he's getting only 0.2 KB/s > > with all the FreeBSD systems in out local network while > > he's getting normal transfer rates (several 10s to 100 KB/s) > > to other OS brand machines. > > Try turning off TCP extensions on the FreeBSD system. They are > probably choking the laptop. Did 1.1.5.1R systems have these TCP extensions? It's with 1.1.5.1R as well as with 2.0.x systems. > > Tom > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950619 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0619 #1: Mon Jun 19 19:54:08 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 11:41:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA28033 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 11:41:59 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA28022 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 11:41:56 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA07260; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 11:42:01 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506271842.LAA07260@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 2 Gig DAT drives To: moore@WOLFE.net (Timothy Moore) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 11:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506271732.KAA15968@gonzo.wolfe.net> from "Timothy Moore" at Jun 27, 95 10:32:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 576 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Does anyone have recomendations about 2 Gig SCSI DAT drives that > they're using with FreeBSD? In particular, how about WangDAT drives? > I have had prior good luck with the WangDAT 3200, and read others good reports on the 3400. Personaly I now use the: (ncr0:5:0): "ARCHIVE Python 28388-XXX 4.98" type 1 removable SCSI 2 This is a Conner model 4326RP drive now as Conner bought Archive Corp some time back. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 11:51:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA28319 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 11:51:22 -0700 Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [204.215.209.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA28312 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 11:51:17 -0700 Received: (from bugs@localhost) by ns1.win.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA20345 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:54:43 -0400 From: Mark Hittinger Message-Id: <199506271854.OAA20345@ns1.win.net> Subject: Re: 2 Gig DAT drives (fwd) To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:54:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 305 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > Does anyone have recomendations about 2 Gig SCSI DAT drives that > > they're using with FreeBSD? In particular, how about WangDAT drives? > > > I run about 14 gig to a WangDAT 3400DX (dds-2) every day. It still freaks me out that I can do that. :-) Regards, Mark Hittinger bugs@win.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 12:30:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA29468 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 12:30:56 -0700 Received: from anvil.appsmiths.com (anvil.appsmiths.com [198.65.131.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA29463 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 12:30:53 -0700 Received: (from hoppy@localhost) by anvil.appsmiths.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA06567 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:30:37 -0500 From: "Clay D. Hopperdietzel" Message-Id: <199506271930.OAA06567@anvil.appsmiths.com> Subject: varargs.h / stdargs.h trouble To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:30:36 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 744 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It seems that varargs.h and stdargs.h in the distribution do not permit vararg handling for anything smaller than an int. The macros simply call abort, which is not the desired behavior. For now, I scarfed the ones that came with the gcc-2.6.2, and they work, but I'm wonding if some repair is needed to the ones in /usr/include/sys. Anybody know anything about this? =============================================================================== Clay D. Hopperdietzel hoppy@appsmiths.com AppSmiths, Inc. Voice (713) 578-0154 Fax (713) 578-6182 15915 Katy Fwy, Suite 470 Where do *I* Want to Go Today? Houston, Texas 77094 FreeBSD! From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 12:51:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA00234 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 12:51:58 -0700 Received: from sunny.bog.msu.su (sunny.bog.msu.su [158.250.20.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA00227 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 12:51:52 -0700 Received: (from dima@localhost) by sunny.bog.msu.su (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA25770; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:50:01 +0400 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:50:00 +0400 (????) From: Dmitry Khrustalev To: Ilya Ravich cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless Ethernet (update) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 27 Jun 1995, Ilya Ravich wrote: > > There has been some good news regarding FreeBSD drivers for wireless > ethernet (AIRLan). According to Mike Pearce > , these cards are based on WaveLan > chipset from NCR/AT&T. All of the original documentation (which I do not > have) comes from NCR, and, unfortunately, Solectek (Tel: 800-437-1518) is > not too keen or releasing it. > There also exist NetBSD driver for pcmcia WaveLan card - see ftp://ftp.cs.cmu.edu/project/coda/netbsd/ -Dima. > Mike was also kind enough to provide the source for AirLAN/AirWAVE ISA card > driver for Linux: > > > Here it is. I also threw in some other code I found for Berkeley-like > > UNIX'es from Harvard (for the Mach kernel), and one for BSDI from > > Indiana (this one is kind of a hack, from the looks of it, but it may > > be useful for reference). I never had the time to make these work, but > > at least they're not under the GPL. > > All of this is now available for download -- ftp to octet.com; get > /pub/wireless/wavelan-code.tar -- or email me for > uuencoded version. > > Now, this is a start. As I mentioned before, I am not a kernel-level man, > so I probably won't be able to get it woking on FreeBSD. Anyone out there > who can/wants/needs to -- please contact me on this one. > > Those who asked about availability of these cards: price for the ISA > version is $699 -- this comes with a small antenna (up to 800 feet). A > 3-mile directional antenna kit goes for $499. I am not certain about > export restrictions, but I can find out if need be. > > Cheers, > Ilya > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 12:59:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA00443 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 12:59:26 -0700 Received: from dvals1.larc.nasa.gov (dvals1.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.4.96]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA00436 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 12:59:24 -0700 Received: (from branson@localhost) by dvals1.larc.nasa.gov (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA17920; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 15:58:49 -0400 From: Branson Matheson Message-Id: <199506271958.PAA17920@dvals1.larc.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: hackers-digest V1 #138 To: rwatson@sidwell.edu (Robert Watson) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 15:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "Robert Watson" at Jun 27, 95 10:57:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 857 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Mon, 26 Jun 1995 owner-hackers-digest@freefall.cdrom.com wrote: > > > From: J Wunsch > > Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 00:35:53 +0200 (MET DST) > > Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP > > > > As Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > > > Yeah. Nothing that can't be overwritten should be in /etc. > > > > > > The sysconfig stuf should go in /var. /var is per machine. I disagree as well... I mount /var as a seperate partition most times for mail spool and other things. This information should remain in /etc. -branson -- MATHESON, E BRANSON E.B.MATHESON@LaRC.NASA.GOV Mail Stop 931 COMPUTER SCIENCES CORPORATION NASA Langley Research Center Assigned to Operations Support Division Hampton, VA 23681-0001 Phone +1 804 864-9700 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 13:04:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA00745 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 13:04:04 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA00735 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 13:03:58 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id FAA21846; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 05:59:48 +1000 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 05:59:48 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506271959.FAA21846@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hackers@freebsd.org, hoppy@appsmiths.com Subject: Re: varargs.h / stdargs.h trouble Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >It seems that varargs.h and stdargs.h in the distribution do not permit >vararg handling for anything smaller than an int. The macros simply call >abort, which is not the desired behavior. FreeBSD-2.x has the macros from 4.4lite. The behavior of va_start() in is undefined if the type of the arg isn't compatible with the type that results after the application of the default argument promotions (ISO C Standard 7.8.1.1). There is no standard for . >For now, I scarfed the ones that came with the gcc-2.6.2, and they work, but >I'm wonding if some repair is needed to the ones in /usr/include/sys. The in gcc-2.6.2 begins with a comment saying that va_arg(..., short) is not valid. I think older versions of gcc's went to more trouble to make it work. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 13:35:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA01573 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 13:35:46 -0700 Received: from cithe312.cithep.caltech.edu (cithe312.cithep.caltech.edu [131.215.124.112]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA01566 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 13:35:38 -0700 Received: by cithe312.cithep.caltech.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16132; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 13:34:06 -0700 From: shih@cithe312.cithep.caltech.edu (Ching Shih) Message-Id: <9506272034.AA16132@cithe312.cithep.caltech.edu> Subject: about 3c589 PCMCIA card To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 13:34:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 592 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I am using a 3c589 card in my T1950CT. It works great with its 10 BaseT connection. It works for me for 10 BaseT, either ifconfig zp0 ip-address netmask 0xffffff00 up or ifconfig zp0 ip-address netmask 0xffffff00 link2 up But it didn't work with thin-wide connection for ifconfig zp0 ip-address netmask 0xffffff00 link2 up or ifconfig zp0 ip-address netmask 0xffffff00 link1 up or ifconfig zp0 ip-address netmask 0xffffff00 link0 up Could someone tell me what is the correct way to bring it up for thin-wide connection? Thanks! Ching Shih shih@cithe312.cithep.caltech.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 13:37:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA01808 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 13:37:39 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA01802 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 13:37:31 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id GAA22671; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 06:33:46 +1000 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 06:33:46 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506272033.GAA22671@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: 2.05R reboot hangs Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> You initialize it before jumping to the reset vector. >One that is very very hard to get right for most [3-4]86's is the >CPUID that is stored id DX:AX on power up reset since that is the >only way to get this value. "Genuine Intel NOT!" :-). >I don't want to call cold boot, I guess that was not clear from >above. Also jumping to 0xFFFF:0000 (note your address above is >not the reset vector the value here is) is not a documented interface There is no value there, only code that normally has a value embedded in it. >to the BIOS. Calling cold boot is about as reliable as triple faulting >or hitting the keyboard reset. The one and only proper way to >make this work reliable on all machines as far as I can tell would >be a good old int 0x19, and that means I had better leave the BDA's >intact. As I explained about 10 messages ago, int 0x19 isn't even useful for rebooting from DOS because it doesn't reinitialize hooked vectors. I now think the keyboard reset is best. It apparently requires disabling gateA20. The code that disables it needs to run from an address < 1MB. Page 0 is a good place. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 13:41:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA01988 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 13:41:04 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA01982 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 13:41:00 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA17907; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 22:40:57 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA05881 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 22:40:57 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA29161 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 22:39:37 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506272039.WAA29161@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (fwd) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 22:39:36 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 390 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Mail Delivery Subsystem wrote: > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > 554 ... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative answer from name server) Is "Christopher Sean Hilton" listening here? Please get in contact with me! -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 14:04:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA03019 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:04:59 -0700 Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA03012 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:04:56 -0700 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sQhlh-000I2kC; Tue, 27 Jun 95 23:02 MET DST Received: by ernie.altona.hamburg.com (Smail3.1.29.0 #15) id m0sQh55-000208C; Tue, 27 Jun 95 22:17 WET DST Message-Id: From: hm@ernie.altona.hamburg.com (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: Random Lockups To: jaitken@cslab.cs.vt.edu (Jeff Aitken) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 22:17:59 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506271800.OAA16095@husky.cslab.vt.edu> from "Jeff Aitken" at Jun 27, 95 02:00:03 pm Reply-To: hm@altona.hamburg.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 942 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From the keyboard of Jeff Aitken: > > On one of our 486's and now my Micron, the system will lock up solid causing > > a hard reboot in the 486 case. In the P100 case the system has to be reset > > by the button. Has anyone else experienced this? This has happened quite > > frequently with the 2.0.5R, never with the 0210-SNAP or 04-SNAP > > With 2.0.5R, I've had this happen twice now. Once was during heavy disk > activity, the second was right after I ran the command 'ispcvt'. In > both cases, the machine hung, with the disk activity light on, and I had > to shut the thing off and back on to reset it. Strange. Ispcvt is just straightforward and simple, the ioctls used do not touch any sensible hardware, they just copy some bytes from here to there. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@altona.hamburg.com Hamburg, Europe (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nstall BSD ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 14:10:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA03258 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:10:45 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA03250 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:10:42 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA07820; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:10:31 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506272110.OAA07820@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 2.05R reboot hangs To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, hackers@freebsd.org, wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu In-Reply-To: <199506272033.GAA22671@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 28, 95 06:33:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1601 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > >> You initialize it before jumping to the reset vector. > > >One that is very very hard to get right for most [3-4]86's is the > >CPUID that is stored id DX:AX on power up reset since that is the > >only way to get this value. > > "Genuine Intel NOT!" :-). > > >I don't want to call cold boot, I guess that was not clear from > >above. Also jumping to 0xFFFF:0000 (note your address above is > >not the reset vector the value here is) is not a documented interface > > There is no value there, only code that normally has a value embedded > in it. > > >to the BIOS. Calling cold boot is about as reliable as triple faulting > >or hitting the keyboard reset. The one and only proper way to > >make this work reliable on all machines as far as I can tell would > >be a good old int 0x19, and that means I had better leave the BDA's > >intact. > > As I explained about 10 messages ago, int 0x19 isn't even useful for > rebooting from DOS because it doesn't reinitialize hooked vectors. > > I now think the keyboard reset is best. It apparently requires disabling > gateA20. The code that disables it needs to run from an address < 1MB. > Page 0 is a good place. Okay, I can agree with that one, let me see about hacking some code into the 0x500->0x1000 range that does the drop out of protected mode, gate A20 off, then slam the keyboard controller. I think you are right in that this is going to be the most reliable mechanism. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 16:19:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA08771 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:19:20 -0700 Received: from linux4nn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA08760 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:19:14 -0700 Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA01093 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 01:26:31 +0200 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA07480 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 01:18:41 +0100 Received: by iafnl.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA29038 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:29:18 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.8/8.6.6) id XAA00640 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:18:45 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199506272118.XAA00640@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: 205R on Digital Hinote laptop, some experiences To: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers list) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:18:44 +1596657 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1295 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi there I now have a reasonably complete set of 205R on my Hinote. Sofar, most of it looks fine. A few questions remain: - when running X (had to try that one..) things like on an xterm don't work. This is using the builtin PS2 type trackball - the hinote has a US Robotics 28K8 PCMCIA modem. Of course I tried to make it work. Things like Windoze, MSdos Diagnostics etc correctly identify a second 16550A type comport (==the modem). FreeBSD does not, the probe fails. - the hinote also has a SCSI PCMCIA card. It was made by Adaptec and badge engineered by Digital. I think it is a APA-1460, it uses ASPI2DOS (so 1522 style) drivers with DOS. This aspi driver is for 6260/6360 type chips. This made me attempt to use the aic driver. No luck though. The probe fails. The latter 2 try-outs might fail because I miss something on the PCMCIA front. Do they need extra initialising to become active (???) or something like that? Ideas and suggestions are welcome. Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 17:26:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA10934 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:26:42 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA10928 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:26:41 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA04357; Tue, 27 Jun 95 18:19:37 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506280019.AA04357@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: 205R on Digital Hinote laptop, some experiences To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 95 18:19:36 MDT Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506272118.XAA00640@yedi.iaf.nl> from "Wilko Bulte" at Jun 27, 95 11:18:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > - the hinote has a US Robotics 28K8 PCMCIA modem. Of course I tried to make it > work. Things like Windoze, MSdos Diagnostics etc correctly identify a second > 16550A type comport (==the modem). FreeBSD does not, the probe fails. > > - the hinote also has a SCSI PCMCIA card. It was made by Adaptec and badge > engineered by Digital. I think it is a APA-1460, it uses ASPI2DOS (so > 1522 style) drivers with DOS. This aspi driver is for 6260/6360 type chips. > This made me attempt to use the aic driver. No luck though. The probe fails. > > The latter 2 try-outs might fail because I miss something on the PCMCIA > front. Do they need extra initialising to become active (???) or something > like that? > > Ideas and suggestions are welcome. The PCMCIA bridge chips are very similar to the PCI chips. Basically, they map the card IRQ/DMA/address ranges onto the (ISA in this case) bus. Once this is done, then the cards should function. Currently, the PCMCIA address range mapping mechanisms (generalized by an ENPIC type enabler) aren't generalized. The upshot of this is that only one of the five chipset types is supported at this time (the Intel -- by far the most popular), and the bridge enabling is done by specific drivers knowing about the address ranges instead of a general "card services" mechanism. The barrier to generalization is that the module would like to handle all of PCMCIA/PCI/EISA/MCA devices as bus attaches, and this code is pretty much not done (the PCI stuff is the closest thing FreeBSD has). I believe someone posted about having hacks for the USR modem to the list at one time. For all other cards, it's pretty much unsupported and not general. For now I would suggest sticking with only supported hardware. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 17:42:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA11443 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:42:43 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA11436 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:42:41 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id UAA27700; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:38:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:38:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: 205R on Digital Hinote laptop, some experiences To: Terry Lambert cc: Wilko Bulte , FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506280019.AA04357@cs.weber.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 27 Jun 1995, Terry Lambert wrote: > > I believe someone posted about having hacks for the USR modem to the > list at one time. For all other cards, it's pretty much unsupported > and not general. the patches posted are for the Megahertz model XJ2144 14.4K PCMCIA modems. the patch is from hosokawa tatsumi i can post them if desired. Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 19:19:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA14193 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 19:19:40 -0700 Received: from hk.super.net (root@hk.super.net [202.14.67.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA14186 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 19:19:36 -0700 Received: from is1.hk.super.net by hk.super.net with SMTP id AA02564 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:19:31 +0800 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:19:31 +0800 (HKT) From: John Beukema To: Hackers Subject: packet forwarding Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am running 2.0.5R and iiij.ppp. I am very pleased with it so far. I have one problem however which is probably something stupid on my part. I have a local network on 10.0.0.1 to .15 on ed1 and iij.ppp on tun0. I would like to use the FreeBSD machine, winjef, as a gateway to the Internet. My kernel is compiled with options GATEWAY. After ppp is connected netstat -r gives as follows: Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default ts1.hk.super.net UGc 3 368 tun0 10 link#1 UC 0 0 winjef 0:0:44:2:e6:c UHLW 4 409 lo0 john 2:0:0:91:7:8 UHLW 0 3 ed1 954 10.0.0.255 link#1 UHLW 1 404 localhost localhost UH 0 8 lo0 ts1.hk.super.net slip47.hk.super.ne UH 2 0 tun0 slip47.hk.super. winjef UGHS 0 0 ed1 224 link#1 UCS 0 0 I can ping ts1.hk.super.net from winjef (10.0.0.2) and I can ping winjef from john (10.0.0.3) but I cannot ping ts1.hk.super.net from john. I tried route add ts1.hk.super.net winjef and various other combinations but have not succeeded. Can anyone help? jbeukema From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 19:59:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA15666 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 19:59:59 -0700 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA15658 ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 19:59:56 -0700 From: PowerTrip@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA040988364; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 22:59:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 22:59:24 -0400 Message-Id: <950627225508_79758798@aol.com> To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: General call - please help the doc project! Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk OK. Got the address. I'm not going to send it out just yet, as I think I can dig up some more stuff. I think I'll have a 386SX/25, and 386SX/16(or 20?) motherboard. So far, I have: (1) 3Com 3C503 8-bit ethernet (coax) (1) 3Com 3C505 (I think) 16-bit ethernet (coax) (1) Novell NE-1000 8-bit ethernet (coax) (8) 1MB SIMMS (8-Bit without parity) (1) (Possibly) Future Domain TMC-860 16-Bit SCSI Host Adapter (1) 386SX/16 mHz motherboard (1) Non-functioning Colorado 250MB (DJ-20) Floppy tape (parts or fix?? I have manual and DOS S/W) But I need to keep looking, because I know I have more stuff in closets! TonyM From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 20:18:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA16776 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:18:53 -0700 Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.191.196.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA16769 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:18:47 -0700 Received: (from tom@localhost) by misery.sdf.com (8.7.Beta.7/8.7.Beta.7) id UAA11765; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:22:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Christoph Kukulies cc: user alias Subject: Re: ftp from PC slow only with BSD systems In-Reply-To: <199506271831.UAA06032@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 27 Jun 1995, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > Try turning off TCP extensions on the FreeBSD system. They are > > probably choking the laptop. > > Did 1.1.5.1R systems have these TCP extensions? It's with 1.1.5.1R > as well as with 2.0.x systems. No it didn't. But that is strange. In my experiences, 1.1.5.1 has excellent interoperatability. Maybe you can learn more with tcpdump. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 20:21:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA16936 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:21:58 -0700 Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.191.196.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA16926 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:21:49 -0700 Received: (from tom@localhost) by misery.sdf.com (8.7.Beta.7/8.7.Beta.7) id UAA11775; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:25:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Robert Watson cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: hackers-digest V1 #138 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 27 Jun 1995, Robert Watson wrote: > With all due respect.. /var/mail and /var/spool/uucp (or such) are not > crap ;). Next time you do an upgrade on an internet service providers > mail mail server, you'll hear that /var/mail is not crap ;). My > objection to sysconfig on var, however, is that quite a few people mount > /var from its own file system -- /etc is always on the root file system > so fsab is accessibl (not to mention all the bootup info ;). Yes, especially for large e-mail servers, having a separate /var partition is must. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 20:47:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA18237 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:47:45 -0700 Received: from mpp.com (mpp.Minn.Net [204.157.201.242]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA18231 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:47:42 -0700 Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mpp.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA00512; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 22:47:31 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard Message-Id: <199506280347.WAA00512@mpp.com> Subject: Re: Check the date and time at boot To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 22:47:30 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506231720.KAA10860@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 23, 95 10:20:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 619 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I now have a version of my date & time checking program that operates by using the time stamp kept in the superblock of the root file system that is ready to go. I've uploaded all of the relevant files to: freefall:~mpp/checkdate/* The files contained in there are: Makefile, checkdate.c, checkdate.8: the checkdate program/man page rc.patches: patches to /etc/rc sysconfig.changes: What needs to be added to /etc/sysconfig to enable/disable the /etc/rc call to checkdate. Disabled by default. -- Mike Pritchard mpp@legarto.minn.net "Go that way. Really fast. If something gets in your way, turn" From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 21:23:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA19772 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 21:23:36 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA19766 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 21:23:32 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA27032; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 06:21:54 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id GAA09036; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 06:21:53 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id FAA01094; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 05:09:36 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506280309.FAA01094@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: 205R on Digital Hinote laptop, some experiences To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 05:09:36 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506272118.XAA00640@yedi.iaf.nl> from "Wilko Bulte" at Jun 27, 95 11:18:44 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 868 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Wilko Bulte wrote: > > - when running X (had to try that one..) things like > on an xterm don't work. This is using the builtin PS2 type trackball You're winning the FAQ-of-the-month award, Wilko. :-) (The price is that you will be allowed to answer this question in Usenet for one month now, starting today. :--) Turn off your NumLock, or if you don't feel like this, re-enable the ServerNumLock kludge in your XF86Config file. The problem is _not_ caused by broken server behaviour, it is caused by weird translations for many clients, including xterm, xman and Tk. I've heard that Netscape got it right. ( is a modifier now, and many clients don't ignore it as they ought to be.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 21:24:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA19827 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 21:24:12 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA19821 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 21:24:11 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA23278 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 21:24:06 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA27028; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 06:21:52 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id GAA09032; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 06:21:51 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id FAA01051; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 05:02:32 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506280302.FAA01051@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: packet forwarding To: jbeukema@HK.Super.NET (John Beukema) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 05:02:31 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "John Beukema" at Jun 28, 95 10:19:31 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1894 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As John Beukema wrote: > > > I am running 2.0.5R and iiij.ppp. I am very pleased with it so far. I > have one problem however which is probably something stupid on my part. > > I have a local network on 10.0.0.1 to .15 on ed1 and iij.ppp on tun0. > > I would like to use the FreeBSD machine, winjef, as a gateway to the > Internet. My kernel is compiled with options GATEWAY. After ppp is > connected netstat -r gives as follows: (Btw., options GATEWAY is almost a no-op these days.) > Routing tables > > Internet: > Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire > default ts1.hk.super.net UGc 3 368 tun0 > 10 link#1 UC 0 0 > winjef 0:0:44:2:e6:c UHLW 4 409 lo0 > john 2:0:0:91:7:8 UHLW 0 3 ed1 954 > 10.0.0.255 link#1 UHLW 1 404 > localhost localhost UH 0 8 lo0 > ts1.hk.super.net slip47.hk.super.ne UH 2 0 tun0 > slip47.hk.super. winjef UGHS 0 0 ed1 > 224 link#1 UCS 0 0 > > I can ping ts1.hk.super.net from winjef (10.0.0.2) and I can ping winjef > from john (10.0.0.3) but I cannot ping ts1.hk.super.net from john. > > I tried route add ts1.hk.super.net winjef and various other combinations > but have not succeeded. You cannot connect a 10.* net to the Internet. It will not be routed, hence you won't get answer packets for it from the other end of your PPP link. (Even if they would route your 10.*-net back through the PPP link, they are forbidden to route it to the global net.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 23:21:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA23537 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:21:20 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA23523 ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:21:17 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA08585; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:18:47 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506280618.XAA08585@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: General call - please help the doc project! To: PowerTrip@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <950627225508_79758798@aol.com> from "PowerTrip@aol.com" at Jun 27, 95 10:59:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1928 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > OK. Got the address. > > I'm not going to send it out just yet, as I think I can dig up some more > stuff. I think I'll have a 386SX/25, and 386SX/16(or 20?) motherboard. > > So far, I have: > > (1) 3Com 3C503 8-bit ethernet (coax) > (1) 3Com 3C505 (I think) 16-bit ethernet (coax) > (1) Novell NE-1000 8-bit ethernet (coax) > (8) 1MB SIMMS (8-Bit without parity) > (1) (Possibly) Future Domain TMC-860 16-Bit SCSI Host Adapter > (1) 386SX/16 mHz motherboard > (1) Non-functioning Colorado 250MB (DJ-20) Floppy tape (parts or fix?? I have > manual and DOS S/W) This is all great stuff to have for the test lab, and since I am the hardware tinkering type I will probably even fix that Colorado if possible, or use it for spare parts when/if another unit shows up here. Please check with me before expanding this list, as some things I may classify as simply junk that would not be worth the shipping charges for and/or may be duplicated parts. Also old motherboards with out CPU chips are pretty useless to me, I already have a pile almost 3 feet high of them. Any an all old 386SX16 or faster CPU chips would be good, as I could reserect a few MB from the junk pile (these are good boards, they are pull outs from doing system upgrades). > But I need to keep looking, because I know I have more stuff in closets! You too ehh?? Well, I just moved, so all the closets got cleaned and the stuff is getting organized as I unpack it all. I have moved many many times over the last 10 years and am unboxing stuff that has been in boxes for this whole time. It is nice to finally have a place I can get all my stuff out and actually know where it is and use it when I need it. Again, thank you for the first sizeable contribution to the FreeBSD Test Lab!! -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 23:29:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA23972 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:29:49 -0700 Received: from legend (legend.txdirect.net [204.57.120.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA23965 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:29:47 -0700 Received: from oasis (link069) by legend (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA10454; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 01:25:53 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:26:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Rob Snow X-Sender: rsnow@oasis To: John Beukema Cc: Hackers Subject: Re: packet forwarding In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, John Beukema wrote: > > I am running 2.0.5R and iiij.ppp. I am very pleased with it so far. I > have one problem however which is probably something stupid on my part. > > I have a local network on 10.0.0.1 to .15 on ed1 and iij.ppp on tun0. > > I would like to use the FreeBSD machine, winjef, as a gateway to the > Internet. My kernel is compiled with options GATEWAY. After ppp is > connected netstat -r gives as follows: > > Can anyone help? > jbeukema > > I have the EXACT same problem, and I dont really understand why. If I default to my ppp machine from my non-ppp machine then shouldnt my ppp machine default to my ISP? --- Rob Snow rsnow@txdirect.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 23:38:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA24318 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:38:18 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA24310 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:38:16 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA08077; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:38:08 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA00398; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:38:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199506280638.XAA00398@corbin.Root.COM> To: Rob Snow cc: John Beukema , Hackers Subject: Re: packet forwarding In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jun 95 01:26:22 CDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:38:40 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, John Beukema wrote: > >> >> I am running 2.0.5R and iiij.ppp. I am very pleased with it so far. I >> have one problem however which is probably something stupid on my part. >> >> I have a local network on 10.0.0.1 to .15 on ed1 and iij.ppp on tun0. >> >> I would like to use the FreeBSD machine, winjef, as a gateway to the >> Internet. My kernel is compiled with options GATEWAY. After ppp is >> connected netstat -r gives as follows: >> >> Can anyone help? >> jbeukema >> >> >I have the EXACT same problem, and I dont really understand why. If I >default to my ppp machine from my non-ppp machine then shouldnt my ppp machine >default to my ISP? Perhaps I'm missing something, but why would your ISP send packets for 10.x.x.x back to you? The "10" net is supposed to be local-only. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 27 23:45:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA24677 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:45:05 -0700 Received: from thud.cdrom.com (thud.cdrom.com [192.216.222.13]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA24671 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:45:03 -0700 Received: (from timb@localhost) by thud.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA07286 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:44:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:44:23 -0700 From: Tim Bach Message-Id: <199506280644.XAA07286@thud.cdrom.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: PRoblem's detecting modem Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I am having problem's with freebsd detecting my internal modem's again. I am running the latest snap and it wont detect my zoom modem.. Detect's my other reveal brand fine.. Also i seem to remmeber the 2.0.5 release detected it.. At least when i had two external com port's and it was on com 3 and com 4. IS there something i can do to force it to think there are there?. I am trying to get two 28.8 's on com 3 and com 4.. One other thing that hasnt seem to gone away.. IT's pretty annoying to.. Proccesses that dont die.. BAsicly my modem or something might hang using a device and i can't free up the device it was using ..Can't kill the program that was using the device either.. Please email any suggestions to me as well as posting on hackers.. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 00:20:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA26088 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 00:20:37 -0700 Received: from legend (legend.txdirect.net [204.57.120.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA26082 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 00:20:36 -0700 Received: from oasis (link057) by legend (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA11582; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 02:14:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 02:14:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Rob Snow X-Sender: rsnow@oasis To: David Greenman Cc: John Beukema , Hackers Subject: Re: packet forwarding In-Reply-To: <199506280638.XAA00398@corbin.Root.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 27 Jun 1995, David Greenman wrote: > > >I have the EXACT same problem, and I dont really understand why. If I ^^^^^ read 'ALMOST the EXACT' > >default to my ppp machine from my non-ppp machine then shouldnt my ppp machine > >default to my ISP? > > Perhaps I'm missing something, but why would your ISP send packets for > 10.x.x.x back to you? The "10" net is supposed to be local-only. #define PPP ppp machine with lp0 to LOST and tun0 to ISP starts at 204.57.120.200 and gets reassigned to 204.57.120.[50-100]. ifconfig lp0 inet PPP LOST #define LOST 204.57.120.201 with ifconfig lp0 inet LOST PPP #define ISP 204.57.120.3 LOST can always ping/rlogin to PPP. PPP can always ping/rlogin to LOST. PPP can always ping/rlogin to ISP. (except Netscape hangs with a DNS lookup failure if it is the program that starts an ondemand connection, but that's another story) LOST can NEVER ping/rlogin to ISP. --- Rob Snow rsnow@txdirect.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 00:31:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA26581 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 00:31:34 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA26573 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 00:31:32 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA08187; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 00:31:23 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA00673; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 00:31:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199506280731.AAA00673@corbin.Root.COM> To: Rob Snow cc: John Beukema , Hackers Subject: Re: packet forwarding In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jun 95 02:14:40 CDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 00:31:56 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >On Tue, 27 Jun 1995, David Greenman wrote: >> >> >I have the EXACT same problem, and I dont really understand why. If I > ^^^^^ > read 'ALMOST the EXACT' >> >default to my ppp machine from my non-ppp machine then shouldnt my ppp machine >> >default to my ISP? >> >> Perhaps I'm missing something, but why would your ISP send packets for >> 10.x.x.x back to you? The "10" net is supposed to be local-only. > >#define PPP ppp machine with lp0 to LOST and tun0 to ISP > starts at 204.57.120.200 and gets reassigned to > 204.57.120.[50-100]. ifconfig lp0 inet PPP LOST > >#define LOST 204.57.120.201 with ifconfig lp0 inet LOST PPP > >#define ISP 204.57.120.3 > > >LOST can always ping/rlogin to PPP. >PPP can always ping/rlogin to LOST. >PPP can always ping/rlogin to ISP. >(except Netscape hangs with a DNS lookup failure if it is the program >that starts an ondemand connection, but that's another story) > >LOST can NEVER ping/rlogin to ISP. You need to add 'options GATEWAY' to your kernel config file. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 01:05:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA27447 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 01:05:02 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA27434 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 01:04:54 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA20077; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:34:36 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506280804.RAA20077@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: packet forwarding To: rsnow@legend.txdirect.net (Rob Snow) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:34:35 +0930 (CST) Cc: davidg@Root.COM, jbeukema@hk.super.net, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Rob Snow" at Jun 29, 95 02:14:40 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3683 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Rob Snow stands accused of saying: > > Perhaps I'm missing something, but why would your ISP send packets for > > 10.x.x.x back to you? The "10" net is supposed to be local-only. > > #define PPP ppp machine with lp0 to LOST and tun0 to ISP > starts at 204.57.120.200 and gets reassigned to > 204.57.120.[50-100]. ifconfig lp0 inet PPP LOST > > #define LOST 204.57.120.201 with ifconfig lp0 inet LOST PPP > > #define ISP 204.57.120.3 Ok; I'll rephrase the question: why would your ISP send packets back to you for any host other than the one that's connected? Have you arranged with them for a route to be added every time you get a new IP address assigned? > LOST can NEVER ping/rlogin to ISP. How about you look at your modem lights and tell us whether the ping packets are going out, and whether they come back. I have an interesting story for you : genesis:~>traceroute 204.57.120.201 traceroute to 204.57.120.201 (204.57.120.201), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 thebarton.net.adelaide.edu.au (129.127.96.87) 7.340 ms 3.544 ms 3.457 ms 2 pancho.adelaide.edu.au (129.127.92.86) 4.993 ms 3.555 ms 4.818 ms 3 sa.gw.au (129.127.12.1) 4.942 ms 4.328 ms 3.945 ms 4 national-sa.gw.au (139.130.40.1) 20.775 ms 23.580 ms 20.046 ms 5 usa.gw.au (139.130.240.2) 23.285 ms 25.028 ms 19.323 ms 6 border4-hssi1-0.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.35.5) 288.579 ms 203.096 ms 198.989 ms 7 core-fddi-1.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.3.161) 205.590 ms 201.714 ms 207 .041 ms 8 core-hssi-2.LosAngeles.mci.net (204.70.1.41) 213.136 ms 325.821 ms 413.63 2 ms 9 core-hssi-2.Houston.mci.net (204.70.1.33) 236.785 ms 249.729 ms 266.177 m s 10 border4-fddi0-0.Houston.mci.net (204.70.3.99) 238.812 ms 247.084 ms 240.2 73 ms 11 kblcom.Houston.mci.net (204.70.39.58) 254.885 ms 248.636 ms 240.165 ms 12 s12-cust.fibrcom.net (204.57.64.10) 255.286 ms 256.203 ms 255.440 ms 13 * s12-cust.fibrcom.net (204.57.64.10) 547.994 ms !H 253.274 ms !H genesis:~>traceroute 204.57.120.3 traceroute to 204.57.120.3 (204.57.120.3), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 thebarton.net.adelaide.edu.au (129.127.96.87) 7.002 ms 3.493 ms 4.056 ms 2 pancho.adelaide.edu.au (129.127.92.86) 5.212 ms 6.165 ms 4.286 ms 3 sa.gw.au (129.127.12.1) 4.235 ms 4.218 ms 4.806 ms 4 national-sa.gw.au (139.130.40.1) 42.745 ms 26.573 ms 28.499 ms 5 usa.gw.au (139.130.240.2) 19.643 ms 18.720 ms 19.601 ms 6 border4-hssi1-0.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.35.5) 210.667 ms 203.208 ms 205.689 ms 7 core-fddi-1.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.3.161) 219.924 ms 207.232 ms 208 .312 ms 8 * core-hssi-2.LosAngeles.mci.net (204.70.1.41) 214.211 ms 221.210 ms 9 core-hssi-2.Houston.mci.net (204.70.1.33) 239.825 ms 252.157 ms 251.542 m s 10 border4-fddi0-0.Houston.mci.net (204.70.3.99) 237.784 ms 235.791 ms 236.0 65 ms 11 kblcom.Houston.mci.net (204.70.39.58) 258.455 ms 258.609 ms 250.428 ms 12 s12-cust.fibrcom.net (204.57.64.10) 257.253 ms 291.199 ms 255.267 ms 13 sat-rot1.txdirect.net (204.57.120.3) 251.562 ms 312.534 ms 256.176 ms Now, if you can read these, it tells us that your ISP isn't propagating a route to your system, and in fact, they don't even have a route to that half of their class C. > Rob Snow Blame where blame is due. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 01:19:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA27770 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 01:19:15 -0700 Received: from stang.netspace.net.au (netspace.net.au [203.10.110.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA27764 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 01:19:08 -0700 Received: (from ahill@localhost) by stang.netspace.net.au (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA10936; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 18:20:20 +1000 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 18:20:14 +1000 (EST) From: Anthony Hill To: Tom Samplonius cc: Jan Isley , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: keyboard locks up 950622-SNAP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > On Sun, 25 Jun 1995, Jan Isley wrote: > > > The first try was just installing bin. After printing xxxx blocks > > on debug window I got Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode. > > Sounds like hardware. Try disabling the cache. > What is the problem with FreeBSD and caches - I could not install, and cannot rebuild a kernel with my cache turned on ! Turning it off is a pretty easy fix - but I also take a pretty big performance hit. What does it mean if your cache is causing these problems ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 01:41:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA28568 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 01:41:58 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA28559 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 01:41:54 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA09125; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 01:40:53 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506280840.BAA09125@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: keyboard locks up 950622-SNAP To: ahill@netspace.net.au (Anthony Hill) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 01:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tom@uniserve.com, jan@bagend.atl.ga.us, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Anthony Hill" at Jun 28, 95 06:20:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1145 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > > > On Sun, 25 Jun 1995, Jan Isley wrote: > > > > > The first try was just installing bin. After printing xxxx blocks > > > on debug window I got Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode. > > > > Sounds like hardware. Try disabling the cache. > > > What is the problem with FreeBSD and caches - I could not install, and > cannot rebuild a kernel with my cache turned on ! Turning it off is a > pretty easy fix - but I also take a pretty big performance hit. > > What does it mean if your cache is causing these problems ? It means more than likely one of two things, either you have a marginal cache SRAM that when pounded on as hard as FreeBSD pounds on a cache it fails and corrupts data, or you have a bus master DMA cache coherency problem that fails to invalidate data in the cache. What motherboard and/or chip set are you running on? I will see if it is in my great mass of grey matter that stores the database for known problematic systems :-) ? -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 01:44:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA28732 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 01:44:46 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA28725 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 01:44:43 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA20158; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 18:15:23 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506280845.SAA20158@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: keyboard locks up 950622-SNAP To: ahill@netspace.net.au (Anthony Hill) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 18:15:23 +0930 (CST) Cc: tom@uniserve.com, jan@bagend.atl.ga.us, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Anthony Hill" at Jun 28, 95 06:20:14 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1253 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Anthony Hill stands accused of saying: > > > The first try was just installing bin. After printing xxxx blocks > > > on debug window I got Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode. > > > > Sounds like hardware. Try disabling the cache. > > > What is the problem with FreeBSD and caches - I could not install, and > cannot rebuild a kernel with my cache turned on ! Turning it off is a > pretty easy fix - but I also take a pretty big performance hit. > > What does it mean if your cache is causing these problems ? It usually means that your cache has a problem dealing with busmastering interface cards. Under DOS/Windows there's little likelihood of the processor conflicting with a busmastering card, but with FreeBSD all bets are off. It's basically a motherboard design fault, and one that's not particularly easy to work around by the sound of it. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 02:00:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA29265 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 02:00:48 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA29258 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 02:00:46 -0700 Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA25795 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 02:00:41 -0700 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA07828; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 01:59:20 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 01:59:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199506280859.BAA07828@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: [mmead@Glock.COM: Re: gm4 & fvwm] From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk The following is from -ports, anyone know about incompatibily problems between BSD m4 and GNU m4 (in ports)? We're interested to know only about the BSD -> GNU direction.... Satoshi ------- Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 12:18:33 -0400 From: "matthew c. mead" To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Cc: ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gm4 & fvwm On Tue, June 27, 1995 at 01:55:53 (-0700), Satoshi Asami wrote: > * Since fvwm is built with m4 support, and the BSD m4 contains > * considerably less functionality than the gnu m4, how about making fvwm > * depend on gnu m4 and then make it exec that at startup instead of m4? > Actually, this applies to most of the *wm's in /usr/ports/x11 (AFAIK, > ctwm, tvtwm and piewm all use m4, what about olvwm?). I think this is > a good extension than can be very useful, with a relatively small > one-time cost (fetching & compiling of gm4) for the user, although it > may be overkill for some of the non-power users. That's true. I wouldn't say that I'm using it because I'm a poweruser, though I am (:-). I mainly need it so that I can have a list of hosts that I do an "xon" to when I want to connect to them (my home machine's on a T1 connection to the network). Basically I like to exclude the host I'm on from that as I have a menu for local xterms as well. I also like the ability to have a single configuration file for the machines I log into via X. M4 helps a lot with that so that I can just use FVWMDIR for my ModulePath and similar notions. > Although I use ctwm, I'm no m4 or gm4 hacker and don't really have a > strong opinion one way or the other. I certainly won't mind if my > ctwm automatically pulled in gm4, though -- I'll probably use it some > day anyway. :) :-) > What do other people think? If nobody objects, we can split forces > and go wm-hacking. I wouldn't mind patching the ports to do this gm4 compatibility if someone will commit the changes. > Oh, and one thing...I assume gm4 is upward-compatible to BSD m4, right? For everything *I've* done it has been. I'm not totally sure on this, maybe a comment from someone else who's an m4 hacker would be appropriate before proceeding. -matt -- Matthew C. Mead | Network Administration: Virginia Tech Center for | Transportation Research -> mmead@ctr.vt.edu mmead@Glock.COM | Network Administration and Software Development http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ | Consulting: BizNet Technologies -> mmead@bnt.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 05:42:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAB04956 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 05:42:31 -0700 Received: from ns.tar.com (icon-seaman.inc.net [204.95.160.61]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAB04950 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 05:42:29 -0700 Received: from spro.tar.com (spro.tar.com [204.95.187.10]) by ns.tar.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id HAA00903; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 07:36:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199506281236.HAA00903@ns.tar.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 07:36:46 CDT From: lists@tar.com (Richard Seaman, Jr) Reply-To: lists@tar.com (Richard Seaman, Jr) To: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl Cc: hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Richard Seaman's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: ipfw code Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 27 Jun 1995 19:13:54 +0200 (MET DST) you wrote: >Currently, th ip_fw code has an option to block on packets with the >SYN falg set. I think this is useless as it basically blocks all tcp >traffic. Agreed. Or more precisely, it blocks ALL SYN traffic, which prevents a TCP connection from being set up. So yes, as a practical matter blocking syn and blocking tcp have the same practical effect for this implementation. >What should be implemented is a way to block those packages >with the ACK bit set. This is usefull for allowing conections only >from one host to another and not the other way around. >Can we agree on the SYN code replace by the ACK code? I'm not sure I follow this. If the goal is to prevent inbound TCP connection requests, I would think the filter should block TCP packets with the SYN bit set and the ACK bit clear, but allow those in which both the SYN bit and ACK bit are both set? I would think the goal of blocking on syn is to prevent inbound connections but allow outbound connections? Dick Richard Seaman, Jr. dick@tar.com 5182 North Maple Lane Dick@Seaman.Chenequa.WI.US Chenequa, WI 53058 voice: 414-367-5450 fax: 414-367-5852 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 05:58:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA05409 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 05:58:39 -0700 Received: from husky.cslab.vt.edu (jaitken@cslab.cs.vt.edu [128.173.41.87]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA05403 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 05:58:37 -0700 Received: (jaitken@localhost) by husky.cslab.vt.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id IAA17027; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 08:58:24 -0400 From: Jeff Aitken Message-Id: <199506281258.IAA17027@husky.cslab.vt.edu> Subject: Re: Random Lockups To: hm@altona.hamburg.com Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 08:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jaitken@cslab.cs.vt.edu, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Hellmuth Michaelis" at Jun 27, 95 10:17:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1486 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Strange. Ispcvt is just straightforward and simple, the ioctls used do not > touch any sensible hardware, they just copy some bytes from here to there. > > hellmuth Perhaps it was just a coincidence? I did have a few other things running (an xterm or two, emacs, xconsole, maybe xlock). As I mentioned, the first lockup was during a disk-intensive operation (kernel recompile in the background, and a find in the foreground). It could have been the same thing. Perhaps there's some subtle bug in the NCR driver [*], or maybe I have some hardware that is ever so slightly out of whack that's causing these problems; I don't know. I tend to suspect the latter, or more people would have seen the same behaviour. Anyway, since these lockups don't seem to be repeatable (I tried running several 'find /' after the first one and couldn't make it happen again), and this machine is just for personal use, I'm not too terribly worried about it. Maybe they'll just go away when I install 2.1 ;) ;) [*] Stefan: I'm still working on the broken network connection at home, so I will send you that bug/problem report ASAP. On a completely unrelated note, I havvened to notice the following the last time I rebooted: (going from memory here, so it may not be 100% right) RTC basemem(635K) != BIOS basemem (640K) I didn't go digging through the boot/kernel code to find that error message; instead I was hoping someone could tell me what it means. ;) -- Jeff Aitken jaitken@vt.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 05:59:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA05532 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 05:59:20 -0700 Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA05526 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 05:59:18 -0700 Received: from dataplex.net (SHARK.DATAPLEX.NET [199.183.109.241]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.6.10/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id FAA05549 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 05:59:17 -0700 Received: from [199.183.109.242] by dataplex.net with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b8); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 07:59:15 -0500 X-Sender: wacky@shark.dataplex.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 07:59:15 -0500 To: lists@tar.com (Richard Seaman, Jr) From: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Subject: Re: ipfw code Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >On Tue, 27 Jun 1995 19:13:54 +0200 (MET DST) you wrote: > >>Currently, th ip_fw code has an option to block on packets with the >>SYN falg set. I think this is useless as it basically blocks all tcp >>traffic. > The ability to recognize certain packets also relates to the option to log their occurance. If you wish to log TCP connections, that you need to recognize the connection as distinct from the continuing traffic. Another reason to distinguish the packets of filtering efficiency. The bulk of the packets are a continuation of an existing connection. If you allow the already established connections to continue, the average number of tests per packet can be greatly reduced. ---- Richard Wackerbarth rkw@dataplex.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 07:03:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA07017 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 07:03:20 -0700 Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.191.196.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA07011 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 07:03:14 -0700 Received: (from tom@localhost) by misery.sdf.com (8.7.Beta.7/8.7.Beta.7) id HAA12541; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 07:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 07:07:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Anthony Hill cc: Jan Isley , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: keyboard locks up 950622-SNAP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Anthony Hill wrote: > > Sounds like hardware. Try disabling the cache. > > > What is the problem with FreeBSD and caches - I could not install, and > cannot rebuild a kernel with my cache turned on ! Turning it off is a > pretty easy fix - but I also take a pretty big performance hit. > > What does it mean if your cache is causing these problems ? Its bad. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 08:13:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA08809 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 08:13:05 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA08801 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 08:12:59 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <55615>; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:10:32 +0200 Received: (from jhs@localhost) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA00707 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:50:27 +0200 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:50:27 +0200 From: Julian Howard Stacey Message-Id: <199506271250.OAA00707@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: hanging boot Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've just seen my system appear to hang on boot (at a similar point a friend's machine (me@freebsd.org) did a couple of weeks ago) it's a fresh install of 2.0.5 rel. on previously proven hardware, The problem is that I scattered the ether number of my master freebsd box in too many places on the new box while installing, & now the new box is hanging waiting for name server etc that the old box is not running. It's currently hanging for a few minutes on each line of add net default: gateway 134.98.91.21 add net 224.0.0.0: gateway lion, starting routing daemons: routed When it finally boots the whole way, I'll fix my /etc/ files Thing is newbies may do this too, see the thing hang, & not know what the problem is, & reset. Perhaps after "Automatic reboot in progress" we should on a virgin fresh release have in /etc/rc something like: echo "If this appears to hang, leave it for a half hour, then look again, in case your net config is bad & needs to time out" Julian Stacey Recommended , Alternate From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 08:27:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA09568 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 08:27:35 -0700 Received: from mercury.unt.edu (mercury.unt.edu [129.120.1.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA09559 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 08:27:32 -0700 Received: from gab.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA07374 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:27:29 -0500 Received: from GAB/SpoolDir by gab.unt.edu (Mercury 1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 95 10:27:28 CST6CDT Received: from SpoolDir by GAB (Mercury 1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 95 10:27:22 CST6CDT From: "John Booth" Organization: University of North Texas To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:27:16 CST6CDT Subject: keyboard intermittently locked @ boot: prompt. Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <9D0761ACE@gab.unt.edu> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Well, as the title reads the keyboard on one of my sytems is intermittently locked @ the boot: prompt (although once the system is up it behaves normally.) This is frustrating when trying to -c or -s switches. I can do a hard reset sometimes and it will allow me to type, or sometimes a power-on will as well. It's a Pentium-90 with a Intel Premiere II motherboard. Only problem I have found w/2.05R ;). Not a big one, I've noticed it and finally decided someone may want to check it out. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- College of Arts & Sciences Computing Services John A. Booth, john@gab.unt.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 08:35:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA09957 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 08:35:51 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA09949 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 08:35:43 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA09465; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 08:35:44 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506281535.IAA09465@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/killall - Imported sources To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 08:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.Org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506280855.BAA07819@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> from "Satoshi Asami" at Jun 28, 95 01:55:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 4329 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk [Okay, so I moved this to -hackers, probably should have cc:-ed -current :-) ] > * Your understandings are not complete. -current is for talking about > * anything that has to do with the -current sources. Changing them > * has something to do with them. > > Of course, but those changes are eventually going into the release so > it's not only those who are running -current that will be interested. Agreed, others may be interested, but the first users to see it will be the -current users. The people who run -current tend to be the more technically prepared to mount an argument one way or the other as to what should or should not go in the main distribution. > Otherwise, we'll have to discuss everything that has to do with > changing code in -current. :) Where else do you think we should discuss changing code? I see from below -hackers seems appropriate, but read my comments below about the .info files. > * Hackers is never for setting ``policy'', we don't have any official > * policy nor an official place to discuss it. > > Well, then maybe it's time to make it. In the past, I've seen lots of > "policy" discussions in -hackers, and judging from this: I think policy discussion has happened in every list, but yet we still don't have a FreeBSD.policy document :-(. Wait, actually we do have some written policy some place. Jordan (who is probably not going to see this) wrote up a thing about -current and supping and such that was done to sqelch a lot of the noise caused by users trying to run -current who should not have been trying to do so. > >> cat freebsd-hackers.info > This is the mailing list for people actively involved in working on FreeBSD. This needs revised. That is the original .info file from when that mailling lists was created, and at that time -current did not exists. There where only about 10 or 15 people on that list when it was created, now it is well into the serveral 100's and S/N is getting pretty bad. I don't have a new good definition, it has kinda become the dumping ground mailling list. > >> cat freebsd-current.info > This is the mailing list for users of freebsd-current. Needs revised to read ``This is the mailling list for communications between the developers and users of freebsd-current.'' I think that describes it role a little better. All committers should read this list, and all people running -current should read this list. > > it seems to me that -hackers is a better place than -current to > discuss additions of code. (Note the info for -current says "users".) All developers(committers) are also users by automatic decree, they must be running -current to be developeing -current. (Note my revised definition :-). > * -core is some times > * used for talking about and setting policy, but not for acting upon > * that policy. Realize -core is unarchived, and invisible to the > * outside world. Decissions to incorporate or not incorporate some > * piece of code need to have publically visible discussion, otherwise > * people won't like us because we make decissions behind here backs. > > That's why I said "a short note to -core AFTER discussing it in > -hackers or -current" in the first place.... ;< Core team members are required to read -current, so there is no need to send the short note. If they ignored it on -current, they will probably just ignore it in -core. -core is getting way way to much usage lately :-(. There is no freebsd-core.info :-(, we need to write one just for reference. [The core mailling list is not under majordomo control, and should not be anyway, but we do need to keep some form of policy some place on what this list is for.] > I'm afraid I'm not getting my point across at all. If we can't agree > on a rule, that's ok, as long as people be a little more careful about > adding stuff to the main source tree as a result of this > discussion.... I think that goal has been accomplished, even without a written policy for the time being. Problem is as the folks in -committers change over time this problem well resurface unless we have written policy to hand folks when they are given commit access. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 09:43:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA12526 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 09:43:52 -0700 Received: from nanbu.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (nanbu.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp [131.113.82.19]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA12520 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 09:43:50 -0700 Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by nanbu.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.4Wbeta3) id BAA11052; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:42:45 +0900 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:42:45 +0900 Message-Id: <199506281642.BAA11052@nanbu.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: jmb@kryten.Atinc.COM Cc: terry@cs.weber.edu, wilko@yedi.iaf.nl, FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp Subject: Re: 205R on Digital Hinote laptop, some experiences In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:38:06 -0400 (EDT). From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.18PL3] 1994-08/01(Mon) Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In article jmb@kryten.Atinc.COM writes: >> the patches posted are for the Megahertz model XJ2144 14.4K PCMCIA >> modems. the patch is from hosokawa tatsumi The patch posted about an week ago was tested only on XJ2144 by me. But it depends littel on XJ2144 because it reads PCMCIA CIS tupples. In fact, on our domestic mailing list it was reported that work fine with other sio PCMCIA cards such as BUG Linkboy D64k, etc. It is known that some cards have illegal or incomplete CIS tupples. For example, XJ2144's tupple about valid IRQs seems odd. The option COM_CIS_IRQ_BUG skips the checks about valid IRQs. -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html Department of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 09:57:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA13005 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 09:57:09 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA12999 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 09:57:07 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA14907; Wed, 28 Jun 95 10:45:36 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506281645.AA14907@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: 205R on Digital Hinote laptop, some experiences To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 10:45:35 MDT Cc: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl, FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506280309.FAA01094@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 28, 95 05:09:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Turn off your NumLock, or if you don't feel like this, re-enable the > ServerNumLock kludge in your XF86Config file. The problem is _not_ > caused by broken server behaviour, it is caused by weird translations > for many clients, including xterm, xman and Tk. I've heard that > Netscape got it right. ( is a modifier now, and many clients > don't ignore it as they ought to be.) Having him answer this over and over is a much better soloution than changing the XF86Config default contents to include ServerNumLock. NOT! Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 09:58:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA13108 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 09:58:38 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA13102 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 09:58:35 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA09811; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 09:57:42 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506281657.JAA09811@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: hanging boot To: jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Julian Howard Stacey) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 09:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506271250.OAA00707@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Julian Howard Stacey" at Jun 27, 95 02:50:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1872 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I've just seen my system appear to hang on boot > (at a similar point a friend's machine (me@freebsd.org) > did a couple of weeks ago) > it's a fresh install of 2.0.5 rel. on previously proven hardware, > > The problem is that I scattered the ether number of my master freebsd box in > too many places on the new box while installing, & now the new box > is hanging waiting for name server etc that the old box is not running. > It's currently hanging for a few minutes on each line of > add net default: gateway 134.98.91.21 > add net 224.0.0.0: gateway lion, > starting routing daemons: routed > When it finally boots the whole way, I'll fix my /etc/ files > > Thing is newbies may do this too, see the thing hang, & not know what the > problem is, & reset. > > Perhaps after "Automatic reboot in progress" > we should on a virgin fresh release have in /etc/rc something like: > echo "If this appears to hang, leave it for a half hour, then look > again, in case your net config is bad & needs to time out" I wouldn't go that far, but I do think we need a few more echo's in the rc scripts so that these hangs can be more accurately pin pointed by the last line of output on the console. My new version of the /etc/rc* stuff is only slighly more verbose than the current version. I will look at adding more verbosity (and with a rc_verbose knob, default ON, in sysconfig) to the startup. Thanks for reminding me of this, as I have hung and/or gotten errors there due to massive reconfigs of the aac.dev.com networking in the past and had forgotten how missleading it can be as to what is wrong. There are no less than 5 places that lots of things are done in /etc/rc* without *ANY* output. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 10:04:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA13336 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:04:37 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA13330 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:04:34 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA09842; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:04:38 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506281704.KAA09842@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: keyboard intermittently locked @ boot: prompt. To: JOHN@gab.unt.edu (John Booth) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9D0761ACE@gab.unt.edu> from "John Booth" at Jun 28, 95 10:27:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 812 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Well, as the title reads the keyboard on one of my sytems > is intermittently locked @ the boot: prompt > (although once the system is up it behaves normally.) > This is frustrating when trying to -c or -s switches. > I can do a hard reset sometimes and it will allow me to type, > or sometimes a power-on will as well. It's a Pentium-90 with a > Intel Premiere II motherboard. Only problem I have found w/2.05R ;). > Not a big one, I've noticed it and finally decided someone may want > to check it out. I only have one comment: ``Take that Intel Premiere II (aka Plato) and through it in the nearest trash can''. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 10:46:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA15239 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:46:01 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA15233 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:45:58 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA09971; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:46:00 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506281746.KAA09971@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Paul Richards: sysconfig routed setting To: wollman@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.Org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <9506281719.AA01124@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> from "Garrett Wollman" at Jun 28, 95 01:19:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 879 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk [Put back on the list, there was no reason to take this private.] > > < said: > > > You might hate routed and the RIP protocol (and I agree it is not very > > eligant) but it does get the job done for the a very large mass of the > > world. > > And using a large screwdriver handle to pound in a nail also `gets the > job done', but it is unquestionably the wrong tool. But if it is the only tool I have to get the job done at the time I must get the job done I have no quarms about doing just that (and I own $1000's in hand tools alone, not to mention the power tools!!!). Good anology, for making my side of the point too!! -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 11:01:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA16203 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:01:31 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA16197 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:01:29 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA16462; Wed, 28 Jun 95 11:53:45 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506281753.AA16462@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: keyboard locks up 950622-SNAP To: ahill@netspace.net.au (Anthony Hill) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 11:53:44 MDT Cc: tom@uniserve.com, jan@bagend.atl.ga.us, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Anthony Hill" at Jun 28, 95 06:20:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > The first try was just installing bin. After printing xxxx blocks > > > on debug window I got Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode. > > > > Sounds like hardware. Try disabling the cache. > > > What is the problem with FreeBSD and caches - I could not install, and > cannot rebuild a kernel with my cache turned on ! Turning it off is a > pretty easy fix - but I also take a pretty big performance hit. > > What does it mean if your cache is causing these problems ? It means you are running a bus master controller and the writes the controller does to memory using controller-initiated DMA are not causing the cache contents to be updated or invalidated because your cache controller or MMU are broken or incorrectly configured. On the off chance you are running PCI with a non-Triton chipset, it might mean that you have more than two bus mastering devices attempting DMA and pre-Triton chips are too stupid to arbitrate more than two (or more than one for some OPTi chipsets that haven't been fully identified by their owners). If you are running VESA, it might mean that you either have a VESA (VLB) motherboard that doesn't have "master slots" at all, or it may be that you've plugged a disk controller into a non-master slot. Or it may mean that you have a BIOS-enabled cache on a Cyrix or TI processer (based on the Cyrix chip masks) and have Cyrix aware BIOS on your motherboard. It's possible to work around many of these silently, at a performance penalty for non-broken (the majority) hardware, either by specifically flushing the cache using BINVD or by marking DMA pages as non-cacheable and flushing them when the operation is setup. Cyrix processers, you can turn off the cache and not tell anyone (like Linux does) because they don't support the non-cacheable bit correctly. If you have a broken cache, probably the most efficient workaround you can personally hope for is that of marking the pages for the target buffer non-cacheable, setting up and starting the DMA, THEN invalidating the current cache contents. This lets the invalidate be interleaved with the actual I/O operation (a concurrency boost). In many cases, if they are user supplied buffers, it's a good idea to reset the page as cacheable following the completion of the DMA operation. This is an addition of six compares (roughly; it may be less with a different implementation that the one I've considered) per I/O operation, all of which are nothing but overhead on most hardware for a marginal benefit (at best) on your hardware. Bottom line is: turn of you cache and run FreeBSD or run Linux and have it turn off your cache for you. Or don't use bus master DMA (ie: use IDE instead of SCSI), eat the overhead and concurrency hit you take for polled I/O, and leave the cache on. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 11:04:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA16368 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:04:51 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA16362 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:04:50 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA16552; Wed, 28 Jun 95 11:57:39 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506281757.AA16552@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: ipfw code To: lists@tar.com Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 11:57:39 MDT Cc: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506281236.HAA00903@ns.tar.com> from "Richard Seaman, Jr" at Jun 28, 95 07:36:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I'm not sure I follow this. If the goal is to prevent inbound TCP > connection requests, I would think the filter should block TCP packets > with the SYN bit set and the ACK bit clear, but allow those in which > both the SYN bit and ACK bit are both set? > > I would think the goal of blocking on syn is to prevent inbound > connections but allow outbound connections? NFS spoofing is still possible if only syn packets are blocked. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 11:27:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA16811 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:27:37 -0700 Received: from grilled.cs.wisc.edu (grilled.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.66.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA16805 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:27:35 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 13:27:33 -0500 From: jcargill@cs.wisc.edu (Jonathan Cargille) Message-Id: <9506281827.AA08385@grilled.cs.wisc.edu> Received: by grilled.cs.wisc.edu; Wed, 28 Jun 95 13:27:33 -0500 To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Reply-To: OCCGRP@aol.com Subject: forwarded questions about lkm Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone care to help answer this question? I'm afraid I don't know much using about the lkm interface, so I can't be of much help... Thanks, Jon ------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) ------- From: OCCGRP@aol.com Subject: FreeBSD syscall/kernel questions Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 23:44:17 -0400 To the FreeBSD folks, I have a couple of questions regarding system calls that I need help with. Any information you can give me would be appreciated. 1) I am trying to add a new system call and I looked at your /usr/share/examples/lkm directory for some info. The README indicates that there is a load and unload makefile, but I can not find it? 2) When I try to compile a kernel module that uses the include file, the systm.h file references the libkern/libkern.h file, but I can not find the libkern.h header file? 3) Can I add my own system call to the FreeBSD kernel w/o rebuilding the kernel? I am only familiar with the SunOS 5.x kernel, where I update the /etc/name_to_sysnum file to add a new system call number, then modload the new system call object module. 4) Can you recommend any good books in the area of developing code that runs in the BSD kernel? I am currently only working on SunOS 5.x, but I want to develop code on the BSD platform as well. I want to implement my own systems calls and perform a "value added" function to some existing system calls by "front ending" the address in the sysent[] structure for the applicable call numbers. Thanks for any info you may have, Joby O'Brien ------- end ------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 11:45:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA17612 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:45:15 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA17606 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:45:14 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA00309 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:45:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199506281845.LAA00309@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Space Shuttle Mission is being broadcasted Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:45:07 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Howdy, If you have an mbone connection the Space Shuttle Mission is being broadcasted. Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 12:21:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA18662 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 12:21:08 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA18654 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 12:21:05 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA03443; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 15:22:28 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199506281922.PAA03443@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Installation Handbook To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph P. Kukulies) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 15:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506271602.SAA05781@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph P. Kukulies" at Jun 27, 95 06:02:23 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 492 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Christoph P. Kukulies writes: > Ages hence I read about someone who compiled some kind of installation > handbook for FreeBSD. What happened to that project? Well, some work has been done, though not specifically installation documents. Either look at http://www.freebsd.org/How/handbook, or in 2.0.5 (or current) in /usr/src/share/doc/handbook. In the later case, also check out the sgmlfmt(1) man page. -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ========== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 12:32:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA19086 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 12:32:42 -0700 Received: from pris.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (pris.EEAP.CWRU.Edu [129.22.56.99]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA19078 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 12:32:34 -0700 Received: from marvin.EEAP.CWRU.Edu by pris.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (4.1/CWRU-1.4-snrub client) id AA04863; Wed, 28 Jun 95 15:32:38 EDT (from ljo for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <9506281932.AA04863@pris.EEAP.CWRU.Edu> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 15:32:38 EDT From: L Jonas Olsson Received: by marvin.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (4.1/CWRU-1.4-snrub client) id AA01702; Wed, 28 Jun 95 15:32:30 EDT (from ljo ) To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Memory Hole and VM (ISA linear frame buffer) Reply-To: ljo@po.CWRU.Edu Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If it is simple, I'd like to use an older frame grabber (DT2851) using the "linear frame buffer" option on an Intel Plato motherboard. I'm already using this board with FreeBSD, but currently I only have 12 MB of RAM and the card occupies 512kB at 15.5MB. Now I want to have more memory and I will end with a memory map: 0 - 1 MB low RAM 1 - 15 MB extended RAM 15 - 15.5 MB nothing 15.5 - 16 MB frame buffer 16MB - 24 MB extended RAM Is there any easy way to tell FreeBSD's VM system to not use the 1MB between 15 and 16MB? Jonas From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 12:59:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA20022 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 12:59:15 -0700 Received: from gw.cronyx.msk.su (gw.cronyx.srcc.msu.su [158.250.244.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA20003 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 12:58:57 -0700 Received: by gw.cronyx.msk.su id XAA18496; (8.6.9/vak/1.9) Wed, 28 Jun 1995 23:58:32 +0400 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 23:58:32 +0400 From: vak@gw.cronyx.msk.su (Serge V.Vakulenko) Message-Id: <199506281958.XAA18496@gw.cronyx.msk.su> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Newsgroups: freebsd.hackers Path: vak From: vak@gw.cronyx.msk.su (Serge V.Vakulenko) Subject: Making IDE CD-ROM driver -- major numbers needed X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Organization: Cronyx Ltd. Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:58:30 GMT Hi, I'm now working on the driver for ATAPI IDE CD-ROMs, and I need a major driver numbers for it. Who should I ask for? Jordan? Rod? Thanks in advance, Serge P.S. For those who are interested: the driver is already functioning, at least I can mount disks and read data. After adding all needed ioctls and testing the proper handling of disc change, I will commit it. -- Serge Vakulenko Cronyx Ltd., Moscow Unix consulting and custom programming phone: +7 (095) 939-23-23 FreeBSD support fax: +7 (095) 939-03-00 Relcom network development From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 13:08:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA20486 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:08:24 -0700 Received: from emory.mathcs.emory.edu (emory.mathcs.emory.edu [128.140.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA20480 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:08:21 -0700 Received: from bagend.UUCP by emory.mathcs.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_mathcs.4.0.14) via UUCP id AA14833 ; Wed, 28 Jun 95 16:08:10 -0400 Received: by bagend.atl.ga.us (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0sR3CT-0004ojC; Wed, 28 Jun 95 15:55 EDT Message-Id: From: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Subject: Re: update on keyboard lockup with SNAP To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 15:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506270516.HAA26662@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 27, 95 07:16:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2436 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch wrote: > As Jan Isley wrote: > > I built a new kernel with pcvt instead of sc0, installed it, read > > the man pages, etc... do you *really* have to type scon -cN to > > change screens with pcvt? ALT-FN did *other* things. :) By The I noticed "Bad bad sector table" being printed as the first line of the boot up sequence and I do not recall seeing that before, and Rod asked me to reseat things. So I took boards out, put them back in, did a low level format, reinstalled a 250 MB DOS partition and then installed SNAP on the 750+ MB left. The message is still there. ? dmesg does not print it after the system is running. Time for another doc hunting trip. :) I built a new kernel using sc0 and sure enough the keyboard will freeze, not even a ctl-ald-del or num-lock/caps-lock light toggle if you change screens one to many times. Is no one else seeing this? I will try banging on a pcvt kernel tonight. > Err, Ctrl-Alt-F, consistently with XFree86. (There's also F9 > through F12 for the first four screens, and Alt-F12 for cycling > through the screens.) > > Hmm, i should have pointed you to the documentation in > /usr/src/usr.sbin/pcvt/Misc. My fault. Ah, well getting anything requires going through several systems and slow modems just to get here, so I had only been getting the ssys.src anyway. I am very new to BSD, but I thought that was what man pages and /usr/share was for. ;-) Oh well, I have been wrong 14 times already today, a few dozen more won't hurt me. :-) > > typing esc-k-return (with bash set -ao vi that is) switching between > > four screens until my fingers cramped... came back later and did it > > another thousand times... it did not lock up with pcvt. I will try > > again later. > > Well, you `vi' fans out there. Wouldn't have it been better to > temporarily ``set -o emacs'' and simly hit the up arrow key? :-} Sure, if I had thought of it. :-( I *prefer* vi editing modes because I learned vi first. At this point, I think it would take me a few decades to learn to like emacs. > Seems like a problem of the kbd driver in syscons... Sxren??? It seems that way to me. I have noticed other threads going here about systems hanging up... makes me wonder if they are not having the same problem and have not noticed that it is the same. -- Jan Isley If you couldn't find any weirdness, maybe we'll just have to make some! -- Hobbes From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 13:19:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA21049 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:19:46 -0700 Received: from linux4nn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA21029 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:19:39 -0700 Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA01943; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:27:39 +0200 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA18587 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:18:34 +0100 Received: by iafnl.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA15196 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:06:39 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.8/8.6.6) id UAA00789; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 20:01:01 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199506281801.UAA00789@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: 205R on Digital Hinote laptop, some experiences To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 20:01:01 +1596657 (MET DST) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506280309.FAA01094@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 28, 95 05:09:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1053 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > As Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > - when running X (had to try that one..) things like > > on an xterm don't work. This is using the builtin PS2 type trackball > > You're winning the FAQ-of-the-month award, Wilko. :-) > > (The price is that you will be allowed to answer this question in > Usenet for one month now, starting today. :--) > > Turn off your NumLock, or if you don't feel like this, re-enable the > joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Humpfff. You were right, that solves it. I recall some hassle about numlocks some time ago, but didn't pay attention because I didn't have 2.0.x running. It might be a coincidence but the Hinote's BIOS setup has an option to toggle numlock on/off ;-) Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 13:32:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA21570 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:32:50 -0700 Received: from crash.ops.neosoft.com (root@crash.ops.NeoSoft.COM [198.64.212.50]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA21561 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:32:46 -0700 Received: (from smace@localhost) by crash.ops.neosoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) id PAA07529; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 15:33:09 -0500 From: Scott Mace Message-Id: <199506282033.PAA07529@crash.ops.neosoft.com> Subject: Re: Space Shuttle Mission is being broadcasted To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 15:33:08 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506281845.LAA00309@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Jun 28, 95 11:45:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 255 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > Howdy, > > > If you have an mbone connection the Space Shuttle Mission is being > broadcasted. > Yes!, I'm getting good video right now... audio is choppy but thats because of my internal config... getting between 1-5fps at 130kbps Scott From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 13:43:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA22046 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:43:34 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA22036 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:43:26 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA10250; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:40:46 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506282040.NAA10250@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Triton supports Parity? To: Paul_Turley@ccm2.hf.intel.com (Paul Turley) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.Org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <950628125400_1@ccm.hf.intel.com> from "Paul Turley" at Jun 28, 95 12:54:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 7812 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk [I am posting this to the FreeBSD-hackers mailing lists as this has been another place there has been massive confusion about Triton and parity. I would like the other folks involved here to post this reply to the Usenet news groups, etc that started this mess] > > > If he posted your email address, with your permission, why should he > have any reason to go ask you if it is okay if he gave it to me in > _private_ email in response to a snippet of this posting that had > been forwarded to me by a third party with that piece of data missing? > > For simple ethical reasons. In the one case, i had given my permission. > In the other case i had not. He should have been able to forward his original post then with your number in it to me or possible given me an article number so I could go dig it out of the archives. What is the big deal about anyway, all I I asked for was his source of information so I might yet again squelch bad data about the Triton chip set! [Which Intel does not seem to be too concerned about :-(] > You should be very careful, as I am sure you are aware, that if you > answer a question about an Intel product as an Intel employee, even > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > if your .signature says you do not speak for Intel people will think > that this is ``Intel Claiming';'. I agree with your assessment, but > the real crux of the problem is, no one that I have been able to > find will speak ``officially'' for Intel on this matter :-(. > > What a few people may think is something i can do little about. The purpose > of > the .sig is to make it clear that i am *NOT* speaking "as an Intel employee" > but > merely as a person with an Intel email address. Most net literate folks > understand that people with an aol.com address, for instance, don't > speak *for* > America Online but merely speak *from* there. The same applies to any > other net > address. I think you missed my point. I am in agreement here that people _should_ realize that this is not an official Intel claim, but that does not stop the folks who do not understand this from propagating it as an Intel claim. Especially if it is forwarded from a Usenet article to some one via private email and the .signature gets cut off. Also you aol.com case is a strawman, those folks are not AOL employees using an aol.com address talking about Intel products. Quite different than an Intel Employee with an Intel address talking about Intel products. Again, I just wish to caution you that no matter what your .signature says people are going to interpret your words as ``Intel Claims'' even though this is not correct. [Ie, I am trying to offer some free advise that you not talk about Intel Products as an Intel Employee from your company mail account, in fact you are walking a very fine line with Intel corporate computer security policy (something I do know quite a bit about as I have been at times responsible for seeing that it was followed and implemented measure where practical to make _sure_ it was followed) by doing so. > > THEN WHO DOES????? Can you point me to an official person who can answer > this question OFFICIALLY for the public. Intel has played this hide the > data game far to long, and should have learned (and did mildly) from what > the FPU Pentium bug cost them in reputation. I would consider designing > a chip set that claims ``support for parity and non-parity Simms'' that > does not actually implement either PCI bus or DRAM parity checking to > be extremely misleading, if not down right a LIE. > > If indeed you have a "yellow book" and a nondisclosure agreement then you > must > already know who speaks officially. The people who supplied those things > to you are, obviously, the official channel. Official yes, public no. I can't officially state what is in the yellow book (heck I could not even publicly mention it existed until _YOU_ as an Intel Employee breached security and mentioned it (thus the fact that there is a yellow book is now public record caused by someone else and _I_ am not in violation of my NDA, you on the other hand have violated an Intel security policy :-(. [I thank you for doing this, as I can now freely refer to the existence of this document, though I still can't disclose it's content until someone else lets that leek out :-)] > Further, you seem to be confusing two separate issues. > (1) You claim to have a "yellow book" yet you accuse Intel of hiding data. > Clearly, whatever the data may be, they have not hidden it from you. Selling a product to the mass market who's documentation is only available after great pains to find out about and great pains to obtain is ``hiding'' data. Unlike _all_ other Intel chip sets (mercury, Saturn, Saturn II, Aries, Neptune) the data for Triton is only available at this time under NDA. The other chips sets spec's where out in public before silicon was shipping!!! This _is_ hiding data, why Intel has gone one way on Pentium processor bugs (witness the fact that the ``Intel Pentium Processor Specification Updates'', order number 242480-004 was formerly only available under NDA but is now public at every other revision) and the opposite on chip sets (all former chip set data was available _before_ the chip sets) seems to be very inconsistent to me. Also since I am under NDA I can not disclose the data in the Yellow book to any one else, something that has just changed. The Yellow book is about to (or already has) been published as order numbers 290518 and 290519, as soon as I can get copies of the published versions I can talk all I want about the overlap in the data between the Yellow book and these documents. Note that if you go to order these they are currently back ordered until July 30th waiting to come from the printers, this is quite common of Intel literature. Why did Intel fell it important to keep this document private for 3 months after volume shipment of chips occurred??? It should have been public during the sampling phase and surely would have saved a lot of folks a lot of time trying to find out stupid little things like does Triton do parity checking or not. > (2) _I_do_not_represent_Intel_. My statements are not those of Intel Corp, > official or unofficial. If I'm right, I'm right. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. In > either case I'm solely responsible. Again, most reasonable, rational people > would not confuse me with Intel Corp. For one thing, Intel has a *lot* more > money :( I did not argue the fact of this point with you, see above, I was just trying to make you more aware of what some folks will do with your postings. Case in point, it was forwarded to me with the quote ``Intel Claims'', and without your .signature on the bottom of it I had no way to know just what was going on. In fact I inquired back to the original poster to try and track you down so I could get this situation cleared up, as it was yet another person very confused about the Triton parity issue. I am glad some one was finally able to put us together so that the facts could become clearer. I am also glad that I got mad enough over this whole mess again today to call back into the engineering literature department to find out if the yellow book had been made public yet and was given the public order numbers (for those who want to get this, call (800) 879-4683 and use the above order numbers.) Thank you all for your time, and patient, and hopefully we can finally squish all the nasty rumors and get to facts mammm :-) :-) -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 13:44:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA22162 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:44:13 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA22134 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:44:07 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA10268; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:43:45 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506282043.NAA10268@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: your mail To: vak@gw.cronyx.msk.su (Serge V.Vakulenko) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506281958.XAA18496@gw.cronyx.msk.su> from "Serge V.Vakulenko" at Jun 28, 95 11:58:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1296 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Newsgroups: freebsd.hackers > Path: vak > From: vak@gw.cronyx.msk.su (Serge V.Vakulenko) > Subject: Making IDE CD-ROM driver -- major numbers needed > X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] > Organization: Cronyx Ltd. > Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:58:30 GMT > > Hi, > > I'm now working on the driver for ATAPI IDE CD-ROMs, > and I need a major driver numbers for it. > > Who should I ask for? Jordan? Rod? Or David or anyone else who could commit to the kernel sources.... Probably best beat is David, as it should probably be pulled to the 2.1 branch for simpler drop in of your driver for folks who will install 2.1 and want to add this support. I am not saying to add the driver to 2.1, just the major dev entry and /dev/MAKEDEV script. You could greatly speed the process by providing a context diff to both locations. > Thanks in advance, > Serge > > P.S. For those who are interested: the driver is already > functioning, at least I can mount disks and read data. > After adding all needed ioctls and testing the proper > handling of disc change, I will commit it. Sounds good!!! -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 13:52:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA22615 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:52:54 -0700 Received: from lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (lupine.nsi.nasa.gov [198.116.2.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA22608 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:52:50 -0700 Received: (from mnewell@localhost) by lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA16318; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 16:50:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 16:50:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael C. Newell" To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: pppd eating CPU time Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have a 486SX-40 8Mb memory running FreeBSD 2.0.5R with two 16550 UART serial ports and one WD8013 plus one WD8003 Ethernet card. This machine is acting as a PPP server and a router. There is nothing connected to the WD8013 card at present; eventually it will form a test network (it is currently configured "down"). This machine is exclusively a router; we don't run apps on it, and it doesn't have keyboard or monitor (i.e. no X :-). When I connect to it from another host (we're using both SunOS 4.1.3 and FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 as PPP clients) everything looks normal. However, as soon as we ping an interface to verify that it is up the corresponding ppp daemon starts using up all available CPU time. If we have two ppp daemons running, they split the time between them. Everything works correctly (albiet commands issued on the server run REAL slowly), but there's 0% idle time. This occurs wether or not there's data crossing the link. I've enabled debugging but no oddnesses are logged in the messages file. Before I start worrying the problem, I thought I'd check to see if anyone else has seen this (I didn't notice any messages coming through on the -hacker's list, but it's a pretty active list so I may have missed something; if so, I'd appreciate a reference... :-) Thanks, Mike +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are | |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily | |Sterling Software, Inc. | reflect those of the NSI program, | |MNewell@nsipo.nasa.gov | Sterling Software, NASA, or anyone | |+1-202-434-8954 | else. | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | work: http://www.eco.nsi.nasa.gov/~mnewell | | home: http://www.newell.arlington.va.us | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 14:49:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA24613 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:49:15 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA24604 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:49:12 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA01416; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:49:05 -0700 Message-Id: <199506282149.OAA01416@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol To: Scott Mace Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Space Shuttle Mission is being broadcasted In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jun 1995 15:33:08 CDT." <199506282033.PAA07529@crash.ops.neosoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1413.804376142.1@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:49:02 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> Scott Mace said: > > > > > > Howdy, > > > > > > If you have an mbone connection the Space Shuttle Mission is being > > broadcasted. > > > > Yes!, I'm getting good video right now... audio is choppy but thats because of my internal config... > > getting between 1-5fps at 130kbps > > Scott Well, there has been some slight problems on the MBONE. BTW: Does anyone if we can generate the bogus ICMP messages mentioned in the enclosed mail. Enjoy, Amancio Return-Path: geoffw@nexsys.net Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net (nexsys.nexsys.net [192.188.198.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA00942 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:59:28 -0700 Received: by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id LAA29248; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:01:47 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:01:47 -0700 From: geoffw@nexsys.net (Geoff White) Message-Id: <199506281801.LAA29248@nexsys.nexsys.net> To: hasty@star-gate.com Subject: Re: host viviane.usl.edu still trashing shuttle video stream Cc: ramsey@netcom.com Hmmm... ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From list-mgr@ISI.EDU Wed Jun 28 09:57:24 1995 Return-Path: To: Van Jacobson Cc: mbone@ISI.EDU, mahler@usl.edu Subject: Re: host viviane.usl.edu still trashing shuttle video stream Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Id: <26459.804354074.1@msf.psi.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:41:14 -0400 From: "Mark S. Fedor" Content-Length: 2981 X-Lines: 57 Status: RO FYI... I've been running RTP traces on the shuttle video at mae-bone.psi.net (on mae-east) all morning and I have an average loss rate of 30%. At this time, the loss rate continues at 30%. Mark ------- > As Bill Fenner pointed out yesterday, host viviane.usl.edu > (130.70.40.162) appears to be causing the >50% packet loss that > most people are seeing on the Shuttle video session. It is > causing the loss by sending an ICMP unreachable packet in > reponse to every multicast packet put on the 130.70.40 subnet at > USL. For a few hours yesterday evening, it appears that > alpha.noc.usl.edu (the mbone tunnel endpoint at USL) was off the > mbone and the NASA video reception here was perfect (0% loss). > At around 12:50am, I started to see ICMP unreachables from > viviane again (sent in response to my session msgs in the > shuttle audio session) and the NASA video loss rate immediately > went up to 50%. > > There are already ~400 people tuned into the Shuttle mission > and there will probably be a couple thousand trying to watch > the MIR docking. It would be a shame if this one broken host > screwed up the video for people all over the world. It would be > best if viviane.usl.edu could be moved to a subnet that didn't > get any multicast traffic or just powered off (the machines that > normally generate these bogus ICMPs are IBM RTs & Unisys machines -- > often these are just as useful with the power off as on). If > it can't be powered off or moved, perhaps a filter can be installed > on the local gateway to discard all ICMPs from viviane. If USL > can't do anything, perhaps Georgia Tech could temporarily disconnect > the tunnel from houdini-fddi.gatech.edu to alpha.noc.usl.edu until > USL has time to fix the problem. > > For the curious, the reason that viviane's ICMPs are trashing > the video stream is that the kernel interprets ICMP unreachables > as an error (they probably would be an error if the traffic were > unicast) which causes the next send that nv does to be aborted > with an ENETUNREACH error. Nv effectively ignores the error but > it does cause the packet that it was trying to send to be > discarded. If the nv packets are well spaced, the result is > that every other packet gets discarded (50% loss). (The reason > that vat audio is working is because vat looks for EUNREACH > errors and resends the packet if it gets one.) Viviane is > probably not running the multicast apps or a multicast kernel -- > it is probably just some host with a broken IP stack that is > mis-handling any multicast traffic that happens to appear on the > local wire. The reason it's cobbering the Shuttle session is > because Steve Mahler is tuned into the Shuttle sessions on host > alpha.noc.usl.edu (which is not misbehaving) and that causes the > shuttle multicast traffic to get put on the 130.70.40 subnet > where viviane lives. Until viviane gets fixed, any video > session that Steve tunes into will get trashed. > > - Van ----- End Included Message ----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 14:49:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA24639 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:49:40 -0700 Received: from ormail.intel.com (ormail.intel.com [134.134.192.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA24633 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:49:39 -0700 Received: from relay.hf.intel.com by ormail.intel.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0sR4yk-000UuyC; Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:49 PDT Received: from ccm.hf.intel.com by relay.hf.intel.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0sR4yk-000qDTC; Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:49 PDT Received: by ccm.hf.intel.com (ccmgate 3.0) Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:49:01 PST Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:49:01 PST From: Paul Turley Message-ID: <950628144901_1@ccm.hf.intel.com> To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.Org Subject: Re[4]: Triton supports Parity? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk Text item: ... I did not argue the fact of this point with you, see above, I was just trying to make you more aware of what some folks will do with your postings. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD Actually, I think it was you who missed the point. Re-distributing a person's email address and/or private email is a violation of "netiquette" at the least, and, as i pointed out in an earlier private message, a violation of ethics. I'm far less concerned about what "some folks" will do with my messages that what you *have* done. Such as forwarding a private email message to an entire mailing list without permission. Second, i have never made any "postings" on this matter. *All* my correspondence regarding this issue has been through *private* email. On only one occasion was my correspondent given permission to repeat my message. --- Paul Turley turley@ornews.intel.com Copyright (C) 1995, Paul Turley. Redistribution through any means prohibited without expressed, written permission of the author. Text item: External Message Header The following mail header is for administrative use and may be ignored unless there are problems. ***IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS SAVE THESE HEADERS***. Content-Length: 7812 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] In-Reply-To: <950628125400_1@ccm.hf.intel.com> from "Paul Turley" at Jun 28, 95 12:54:00 pm Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.Org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:40:46 -0700 (PDT) To: Paul_Turley@ccm2.hf.intel.com (Paul Turley) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Triton supports Parity? Message-Id: <199506282040.NAA10250@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA10 250; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:40:46 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com by hermes.intel.com (5.65/10.0i); Wed, 28 Jun 95 13:43:13 -0700 Received: from hermes.intel.com by relay.hf.intel.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0sR3x9-000qDQC; Wed, 28 Jun 95 13:43 PDT From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 15:25:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA25839 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 15:25:15 -0700 Received: from mercury.unt.edu (mercury.unt.edu [129.120.1.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA25832 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 15:25:11 -0700 Received: from gab.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA21442 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:25:01 -0500 Received: from GAB/SpoolDir by gab.unt.edu (Mercury 1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 95 17:25:01 CST6CDT Received: from SpoolDir by GAB (Mercury 1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 95 17:24:56 CST6CDT From: "John Booth" Organization: University of North Texas To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:24:47 CST6CDT Subject: Re: keyboard intermittently locked @ boot: prompt. Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <54F37551@gab.unt.edu> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Well, as the title reads the keyboard on one of my sytems > > is intermittently locked @ the boot: prompt > > Intel Premiere II motherboard. Only problem I have found w/2.05R ;). > > I only have one comment: ``Take that Intel Premiere II (aka Plato) and > through it in the nearest trash can''. That seems a bit harsh ;)....Sorry our micro-maintenance shop here is really big on Intel MB's...(I don't care for them personally). Not a big deal. Just thought if it was a REAL bug and not some hardware idiosyncrosy w/Intel garbage that it may have needed to be looked into. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- College of Arts & Sciences Computing Services John A. Booth, john@gab.unt.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 16:27:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA27418 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 16:27:48 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA27400 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 16:27:43 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA22957; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:26:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:26:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199506282326.TAA22957@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: inet-access@earth.com From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: Watchdog/Hard Reboot for BSD UN*X Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk /******* NEW PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT FOR BSD UN*X ********/ Now available for BSD/OS and FreeBSD, the ET/WDT watchdog timer card. 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(516) 271-4525 E-Mail: dennis@et..htp.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 17:48:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA00614 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:48:59 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA00606 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:48:51 -0700 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA03175 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:49:21 +0100 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:49:21 +0100 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199506290049.BAA03175@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: What's the story with the FAQ? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk If you look at the current FAQ in http://www.freebsd.org, you'll see that it's pretty much woefully out of date. What's the story on this? Ollivier, were't we working on greatly updating this? I notice that you're still not even being given proper credit as the new FAQ owner. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 18:00:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA00881 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 18:00:05 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA00875 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 18:00:03 -0700 Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA06778 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:00:37 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199506290100.VAA06778@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Vat on SB16 anyone? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:00:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 178 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone gotten a SB16 to work w/ vat? -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 19:08:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA02671 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:08:13 -0700 Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.191.196.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA02661 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:08:00 -0700 Received: (from tom@localhost) by misery.sdf.com (8.7.Beta.7/8.7.Beta.7) id TAA13274; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:12:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Julian Howard Stacey cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hanging boot In-Reply-To: <199506271250.OAA00707@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 27 Jun 1995, Julian Howard Stacey wrote: > echo "If this appears to hang, leave it for a half hour, then look > again, in case your net config is bad & needs to time out" CTL-C will generally skip you right by daemons that hang because of DNS problems. Of couse they don't load as well.... Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 19:12:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA02865 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:12:10 -0700 Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.191.196.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA02859 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:12:06 -0700 Received: (from tom@localhost) by misery.sdf.com (8.7.Beta.7/8.7.Beta.7) id TAA13289; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:16:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: David Greenman cc: Rob Snow , John Beukema , Hackers Subject: Re: packet forwarding In-Reply-To: <199506280731.AAA00673@corbin.Root.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, David Greenman wrote: > You need to add 'options GATEWAY' to your kernel config file. If you're lazy, you can use "sysctl" to turn it on too, and add it to rc.local I've tested this with a GENERIC kernel from 4-12 and it worked fine. I don't things have changed. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 19:12:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA02980 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:12:43 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA02974 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:12:41 -0700 Received: from winjef.somerset (slip44.hk.super.net [202.64.6.44]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA04355 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:12:33 -0700 Received: (from john@localhost) by winjef.somerset (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA04536; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:05:07 GMT Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:05:04 +0000 () From: John Beukema To: Julian Howard Stacey cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hanging boot In-Reply-To: <199506271250.OAA00707@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 27 Jun 1995, Julian Howard Stacey wrote: > I've just seen my system appear to hang on boot > (at a similar point a friend's machine (me@freebsd.org) > did a couple of weeks ago) > it's a fresh install of 2.0.5 rel. on previously proven hardware, > > The problem is that I scattered the ether number of my master freebsd box in > too many places on the new box while installing, & now the new box > is hanging waiting for name server etc that the old box is not running. > It's currently hanging for a few minutes on each line of > add net default: gateway 134.98.91.21 > add net 224.0.0.0: gateway lion, > starting routing daemons: routed > When it finally boots the whole way, I'll fix my /etc/ files I have the same problem but I do not know how to fix my /etc files. I do not know what I did to cause root add to hang. ^C clears it and routed eventually picks up the missing routes. What is causing the problem. > > Thing is newbies may do this too, see the thing hang, & not know what the > problem is, & reset. > > Perhaps after "Automatic reboot in progress" > we should on a virgin fresh release have in /etc/rc something like: > echo "If this appears to hang, leave it for a half hour, then look > again, in case your net config is bad & needs to time out" > > Julian Stacey > Recommended , Alternate > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 19:18:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA03154 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:18:26 -0700 Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA03148 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:18:19 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spooky.rwwa.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA01383 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:20:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199506290220.WAA01383@spooky.rwwa.com> X-Authentication-Warning: spooky.rwwa.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Obsolete comment in LINT config file? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:20:09 -0400 From: Robert Withrow Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Is this comment in the LINT file obsolete? If not, the LINT values are in conflict with those in sound_config.h... # Beware! The addresses specified below are also hard-coded in # i386/isa/sound/sound_config.h. If you change the values here, you # must also change the values in the include file. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 598 4480, Fax: +1 617 598 4430 Net: witr@rwwa.COM R.W. Withrow Associates, 319 Lynnway Suite 201, Lynn MA 01901 USA From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 19:47:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA04074 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:47:32 -0700 Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (peter@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA04063 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:47:25 -0700 Received: (from peter@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12/DIALix) id KAA10690 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:47:16 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <199506290247.KAA10690@haywire.DIALix.COM> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:47:16 +0800 (WST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1737 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In freebsd.hackers, nc@ai.net writes: >On Fri, 23 Jun 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> > Eh?? Sorry to hear that. A major part of my interest in FreeBSD over >> > Linux (besides getting back to good old 4.2BSD/4.3Tahoe days :) is >> > that I though it is a tiger in networking. >> >I think a couple of people (or just me) misread what this guy was trying to >say. SO: Linux will not act as a faster router than BSD as far as I know. >BSD's limitations are not code based as much as hardware based [which was >mentioned before]. There are things that can be done to make it go faster still in certain circumstances, but probably not much that will help in a general way in everybody's situation. For example, the routing tables, although they are quick, take a reasonable amount of time to look up. There is a single-entry cache in the low-level code that avoids this lookup if the destination of the current packet is the same as the last one. I wouldn't mind having a go and seeing if expanding that could help at all - even on simple hosts (vs "routers"), having several active connections to several destinations at once will cause quite a few routing tree lookups, even if they are all going to the default route (reason: the destination is different). I wonder if a simple dynamic sized table of destination vs. cached route might help? Of course, it'd have to be flushed at each routing table change.. It's something that'd be very hard to measure any benefit from.. >Among software based routing solutions BSD is among the fastest, period. Yep.. Just try an old SVR4.0 system - they max out at about 200KBytes/sec over ethernet - and that's using nearly 100% kernel-mode cpu. [..] >-Jerry. Cheers, -Peter From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 20:56:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA06375 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 20:56:30 -0700 Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA06368 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 20:56:26 -0700 Received: from ast.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQywdz05117; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 23:56:09 -0400 Received: from trsvax.fw.ast.com (fw.ast.com) by ast.com with SMTP id AA10759 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 20:56:37 -0700 Received: by trsvax.fw.ast.com (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.1) id ; Wed, 28 Jun 95 22:57 CDT Received: by nemesis.lonestar.org (Smail3.1.27.1 #18) id m0sR7j9-0004vyC; Wed, 28 Jun 95 19:45 CDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 19:45 CDT To: hackers@freebsd.org From: uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com (Frank Durda IV) Sent: Wed Jun 28 1995, 19:45:06 CDT Subject: 2.0.5 caches, lockups and crashes - oh my! Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [0]On Sun, 25 Jun 1995, Jan Isley wrote: [0]The first try was just installing bin. After printing xxxx blocks [0]on debug window I got Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode. [1]Somebody wrote: [1]Sounds like hardware. Try disabling the cache. [2]Somebody wrote: [2]What is the problem with FreeBSD and caches - I could not install, and [2]cannot rebuild a kernel with my cache turned on ! Turning it off is a [2]pretty easy fix - but I also take a pretty big performance hit. [2]What does it mean if your cache is causing these problems ? [3]From: "Rodney W. Grimes" [3]Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 01:40:53 -0700 (PDT) [3]It means more than likely one of two things, either you have a marginal [3]cache SRAM that when pounded on as hard as FreeBSD pounds on a cache [3]it fails and corrupts data, or you have a bus master DMA cache coherency [3]problem that fails to invalidate data in the cache. Well, I have support for over ten different systems that all loved FreeBSD 1.1.5.1, loved all the SNAPs, and simply will no run worth a hoot on 2.0.5A or 2.0.5R. I plan to try the post-2.0.5R SNAPs shortly, but am not optimistic. The original symptom (that was reportedly in these lists during 2.0.5A testing) was that these systems (all of them made by different makers but all 486 systems of various speeds and different cache designs and makers) would ALL refuse to boot from the boot floppy if the cache was turned on. But if you turn the cache off (or remove it in the case of Intel 485-T Turbocache modules), you can boot 2.0.5 and even install successfully. A considerable amount of reinstalling was done and various things were tried and all we learned was that it was something to do with the fact that the kernel was compressed that caused the boot to nuke. The uncompressed kernel.MFS could be booted (from hard disk) without incident. Well, nothing really got done and 2.0.5R went out as it was. So when I install it on these Tandy, GRiD, DEC and AST systems, I have to shut the cache off before the boot from floppy will work. Now remember that all of these systems worked fine on earlier versions of FreeBSD. Some systems ran 1.1.5.1 and early SNAPs 24 hours a day for several months with nothing more than the once every other week crash (usually a power failure). And this was with the cache enabled (and/or installed). Once installed, you could put the cache back in or turn it on and the systems would boot and run from the HD OK. Or so I thought at the time. Then I and the other users got around to actually doing more with 2.0.5R than just installing the system over and over again (and driving from location to location to do this) and we found that although 2.0.5 would boot and run with the cache enabled and/or installed (using the uncompressed kernel on the hard disk), if you gave the system any significant computing load, such as compiling something, it would lock-up or crash. The lock-up was most common. I could do a make world, and it would go off and churn cleaning up old files, making directories and such and look like things were going great. But when it hit the first one or two compiles, the system would die. Everytime. If you compiled some other program in a completely different part of the tree, the system would also die. So I removed the cache on three of the systems again and re-ran the make world. 20 to 30 hours later, they all completed the builds. Great, but nobody wants to touch these machines now because they run so slow. Again, these systems used to routinely rebuilt SNAP systems and 1.1.5.1 systems with make world and did hundreds of kernel builds without incident. I find it impossible to believe that months of operation under 1.1.5.1 and the SNAPs didn't beat the system as hard as 2.0.5 does, and that the cache hardware on all of these different systems is so sensitive and selective that it can detect the presence of 2.0.5 vs SNAP 04xx and earlier versions and crash accordingly. A better explanation is needed. I have been forced to put 1.1.5.1 back on a couple of systems since it works with the cache enabled. One client was annoyed enough to suggest I install the "L"-system instead. Ugh. I still believe some significant problem was introduced in the blast of major structural modifications that occurred between the 04xx snap and 2.0.5A. I have no hard suspects. It may be the same problem that causes compressed kernels to malfunction, but it may not be. In fact, I am looking for a site that still has the 04xx SNAP online who would be willing to let me FTP a copy so I can run my more performance- critical systems with the cache enabled rather than go back to 1.1.5.1. (In my haste to prepare for rapid testing of 2.0.5A, I wiped the copies all the SNAPs I had. Anyone who can help me out on this, please EMAIL direct. Thanks.) I would be happy to attempt a staged upgrade from 04xx to 2.0.5, to try to determine what set of modifications are causing the problem, particularly if someone would suggest groups of modifications that go together or must be applied together. This would be limited to kernel changes only. I would also run any other tests that would help locate the true cause of these problems. Thanks for any input on this. Frank Durda IV uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com "What would you rather be running: 'FreeBSD', or 'Bob-Pro' (aka Windows '95)?" :-) (C) (TM) 1995 FDIV From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 21:00:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA06530 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:00:12 -0700 Received: from virgo.ai.net (root@virgo.ai.net [198.69.44.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA06523 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:00:09 -0700 Received: from aries.ai.net (aries.ai.net [198.69.44.1]) by virgo.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA00443 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:02:38 -0400 Received: (from nc@localhost) by aries.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id XAA05041; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 23:59:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 23:59:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Coordinator To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Load Balancing/Sharing w/ FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Two questions about different types/implementations of load balancing. 1) When dealing with say, two serial links [modem or T1] how would one go about setting up the connections so the links share load bidirectionally? Assign them both the same destination IP address? 2) Has the code to enable two or three FreeBSD boxes to split new logins based on load averages been enabled yet? Thanks, -Jerry. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 21:21:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA07267 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:21:13 -0700 Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.191.196.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA07255 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:20:56 -0700 Received: (from tom@localhost) by misery.sdf.com (8.7.Beta.7/8.7.Beta.7) id VAA13436; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:25:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Network Coordinator cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Load Balancing/Sharing w/ FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Network Coordinator wrote: > > Two questions about different types/implementations of load balancing. > > 1) When dealing with say, two serial links [modem or T1] how would one go > about setting up the connections so the links share load bidirectionally? > Assign them both the same destination IP address? This won't work. It needs to be implemented first. > 2) Has the code to enable two or three FreeBSD boxes to split new logins > based on load averages been enabled yet? You can do this via DNS. No need to add or enable anything. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 21:22:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA07388 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:22:04 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA07368 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:22:01 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA17179; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 06:21:58 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id GAA18365 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 06:21:58 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id GAA04444 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 06:01:27 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506290401.GAA04444@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: packet forwarding To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 06:01:25 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506280731.AAA00673@corbin.Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Jun 28, 95 00:31:56 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1748 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As David Greenman wrote: > > You need to add 'options GATEWAY' to your kernel config file. You should add, but you don't need to. GATEWAY is being rarely used these days (i've removed all occurences of *_GATEWAY from the output, since they are unrelated): j@uriah 393% find . -type f -name '*.[ch]' | xargs fgrep GATEWAY ./compile/URIAH/param.c:#ifdef GATEWAY ./compile/URIAH/param.c:#endif /* GATEWAY */ ./compile/UNCLE/param.c:#ifdef GATEWAY ./compile/UNCLE/param.c:#endif /* GATEWAY */ ./conf/param.c:#ifdef GATEWAY ./conf/param.c:#endif /* GATEWAY */ ./i386/boot/dosboot/param.h:#ifdef GATEWAY ./i386/boot/dosboot/param.h:#endif /* GATEWAY */ ./netinet/ip_input.c:#ifdef GATEWAY ./netinet/ip_input.c:#else /* GATEWAY */ ./netinet/ip_input.c:#endif /* GATEWAY */ This is from ./netinet/ip_input.c: #ifndef IPFORWARDING #ifdef GATEWAY #define IPFORWARDING 1 /* forward IP packets not for us */ #else /* GATEWAY */ #define IPFORWARDING 0 /* don't forward IP packets not for us */ #endif /* GATEWAY */ #endif /* IPFORWARDING */ ... int ipforwarding = IPFORWARDING; So it's only the _default_ that is affected by GATEWAY, you can always change this via sysctl. And here the snippet from ./conf/param.c: /* maximum # of mbuf clusters */ #ifndef NMBCLUSTERS #ifdef GATEWAY int nmbclusters = 512 + MAXUSERS * 16; #else int nmbclusters = 256 + MAXUSERS * 16; #endif /* GATEWAY */ #else int nmbclusters = NMBCLUSTERS; #endif Well, seems that it might be recommended to have GATEWAY here, but it's as well possible to get the same by overriding NMBCLUSTERS. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 21:28:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA07735 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:28:37 -0700 Received: from virgo.ai.net (root@virgo.ai.net [198.69.44.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA07729 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:28:33 -0700 Received: from aries.ai.net (aries.ai.net [198.69.44.1]) by virgo.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA00476; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:31:05 -0400 Received: (from nc@localhost) by aries.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id AAA05391; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:28:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:28:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Coordinator To: Tom Samplonius cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Load Balancing/Sharing w/ FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > 1) When dealing with say, two serial links [modem or T1] how would one go > > about setting up the connections so the links share load bidirectionally? > > Assign them both the same destination IP address? > > This won't work. It needs to be implemented first. Enabled meaning? new code needs to be written, or its already built into FreeBSD and I just need to start using it? > > > 2) Has the code to enable two or three FreeBSD boxes to split new logins > > based on load averages been enabled yet? > > You can do this via DNS. No need to add or enable anything. DNS servers will just sequentially cycle through a list of servers, it won't intelligently find the least busy machine. Is there a way to do it intelligently with DNS? Thanks, -Jerry. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 21:51:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA08694 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:51:31 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA08682 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:51:24 -0700 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) id FAA04975 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 05:51:59 +0100 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 05:51:59 +0100 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199506290451.FAA04975@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Rude shock with U.K. mirrors Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I was sending some stuff to a U.K. journalist concerning FreeBSD and obtaining it in the U.K. when I decided to verify the 3 entries we currently show for the U.K. mirrors. What I found was somewhat disappointing: 1. ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/BSD/FreeBSD does not contain 2.0.5. 2. unix.hensa.ac.uk/pub/walnut.creek/FreeBSD doesn't exist. 3. src.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/unix/FreeBSD couldn't be verified; it's dead at the moment. This is all rather sad. Is there nothing we can do to perhaps increase the level of support in the U.K.? With 2 core team members either in or from that country, it even seems a tad embarassing! :( Thanks! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 22:35:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA10018 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:35:37 -0700 Received: from ns.dknet.dk (root@ns.dknet.dk [193.88.44.42]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA10012 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:35:34 -0700 Received: from login.dknet.dk by ns.dknet.dk with SMTP id AA07335 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:35:29 +0200 Received: by login.dknet.dk (4.1/SMI-4.1DKnet00) id AA00190; Thu, 29 Jun 95 07:30:39 +0200 Message-Id: <9506290530.AA00190@login.dknet.dk> Subject: Re: your mail To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 95 7:30:39 MET DST Cc: vak@gw.cronyx.msk.su, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506282043.NAA10268@gndrsh.aac.dev.com>; from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 28, 95 1:43 pm From: sos@freebsd.org Reply-To: sos@freebsd.org X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Rodney W. Grimes who wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm now working on the driver for ATAPI IDE CD-ROMs, > > and I need a major driver numbers for it. > > > > Who should I ask for? Jordan? Rod? > > Or David or anyone else who could commit to the kernel sources.... > Probably best beat is David, as it should probably be pulled to the > 2.1 branch for simpler drop in of your driver for folks who will install > 2.1 and want to add this support. > > > > P.S. For those who are interested: the driver is already > > functioning, at least I can mount disks and read data. > > After adding all needed ioctls and testing the proper > > handling of disc change, I will commit it. > > Sounds good!!! What I'd like to know a little more about is how it coexists with "normal" disks on the same controller ?? This is VERY important as most IDE PC's come with the disk as master and the CDROM as slave on the SAME controller. This ultimately mandates that the driver should be able to handle both disks and CDROM's, or we will once again have two drivers talking to the same hardware (that does sound familliar though :-( ), which won't work very well, if at all. I'm not sure how our E-IDE/ATAPI support is going on what I started some month back, I think dyson got the code from phk who got it from me, so this might be the quantum leap we need to get this sorted out... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org | sos@login.dknet.dk) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 22:36:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA10067 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:36:04 -0700 Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA10061 ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:36:01 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id WAA21973 ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:35:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rude shock with U.K. mirrors In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jun 1995 05:51:59 BST." <199506290451.FAA04975@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:35:58 -0700 Message-ID: <21971.804404158@westhill.cdrom.com> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199506290451.FAA04975@whisker.internet-eireann.ie>, "Jordan K. Hubb ard" writes: > 1. ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/BSD/FreeBSD does not contain 2.0.5. I'll poke the ftp guys - i've dealt with them before. > 2. unix.hensa.ac.uk/pub/walnut.creek/FreeBSD doesn't exist. It's `/mirrors/walnut.creek'. Does our MIRROR.LIST really say /pub? Oops. > 3. src.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/unix/FreeBSD couldn't be verified; it's > dead at the moment. src.doc is dead? That's bad. It's like the main ftp server in the UK :-( >This is all rather sad. Is there nothing we can do to perhaps increase >the level of support in the U.K.? With 2 core team members either in >or from that country, it even seems a tad embarassing! :( unix.hensa want' mirroring us at all until I started poking around, and the last time I spoke to the ftp.demon guys there was a mirror script running... :-( It's not for lack of trying :-( Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 22:41:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA10361 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:41:01 -0700 Received: from dg-rtp.dg.com (dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com [128.222.1.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA10355 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:40:59 -0700 Received: by dg-rtp.dg.com (5.4R2.01/dg-rtp-v02) id AA15017; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:39:08 -0400 Received: (rivers@localhost) by ponds.UUCP (8.6.9/8.6.5) id VAA20304 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:06:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:06:17 -0400 From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199506290106.VAA20304@ponds.UUCP> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Problem with pty's? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've seen an interesting problem crop up with 2.0 and now with 2.0.5-RELEASE. Let's say I log on, start X, start a console Xterm and run "vi" on a file in it. Then, lets say I don't stop the "vi" program; but kill the X server (or else, the X server dies for some reason.) Then, I log back on, start another console Xterm and guess what happens... some of my keystrokes are going to that "vi" program that was (and still is, for some reason) running on the previous Xterm, and some are going to the shell which is now running on the pty. I suspect that the SIGHUP which should have gotten to the "vi" isn't, or else the "vi" isn't dieing for some reason. Then, when I restart the xterm, I happen to get the same pty; and that "vi" is still connected to it (I would have thought setsid/setpgrp or something like that would have disconnected the pty.) I've seen this with 2.0.5-RELEASE twice, although since you don't have too high a probability of getting the same pty; it can be hard to duplicate. Also, I should add that I don't specify a pty limit in my CONFIG file, I just have a line: pseudo-device pty with no digits... It was my understanding that caused a "lot" of ptys to be available. - Ideas? - - Dave Rivers - From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 22:49:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAB10791 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:49:10 -0700 Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.191.196.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA10769 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:48:37 -0700 Received: (from tom@localhost) by misery.sdf.com (8.7.Beta.7/8.7.Beta.7) id WAA13558; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:52:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Network Coordinator cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Load Balancing/Sharing w/ FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 29 Jun 1995, Network Coordinator wrote: > > > 1) When dealing with say, two serial links [modem or T1] how would one go > > > about setting up the connections so the links share load bidirectionally? > > > Assign them both the same destination IP address? > > > > This won't work. It needs to be implemented first. > > Enabled meaning? new code needs to be written, or its already built into > FreeBSD and I just need to start using it? I said "implmented", not enabled. It means that new code and much mucking about with the net code. You could implement this as link layer as multi-link PPP, but this wouldn't allow SLIP balanced interfaces. > > > > > 2) Has the code to enable two or three FreeBSD boxes to split new logins > > > based on load averages been enabled yet? > > > > You can do this via DNS. No need to add or enable anything. > > DNS servers will just sequentially cycle through a list of servers, it > won't intelligently find the least busy machine. Is there a way to do it > intelligently with DNS? True, but is your best option as it would need to be done before the login begins. How would a busy machine pass off a login? Also, named could be hacked to be a little more intelligent that a round robin scheme. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 23:11:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAB11672 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 23:11:45 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAB11666 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 23:11:43 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA22033; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:43:06 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506290613.PAA22033@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: 205 on laptop, slip is acting weird To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:43:06 +0930 (CST) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199506221753.TAA01134@yedi.iaf.nl> from "Wilko Bulte" at Jun 22, 95 07:53:28 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 734 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Wilko Bulte stands accused of saying: > The only thing (for now) that annoys me is that everything > on the SLIP/IP side doesnot work except for ping and NFS. You have a mismatch in the compression settings for your SLIP connection; TCP headers are not being processed correctly. > | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 28 23:13:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA11743 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 23:13:02 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA11736 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 23:12:55 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA19770; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:12:52 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA18735; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:12:51 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA05165; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:07:05 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506290607.IAA05165@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: update on keyboard lockup with SNAP To: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:07:05 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: from "Jan Isley" at Jun 28, 95 03:55:05 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1646 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jan Isley wrote: > > > Hmm, i should have pointed you to the documentation in > > /usr/src/usr.sbin/pcvt/Misc. My fault. > > Ah, well getting anything requires going through several systems > and slow modems just to get here, so I had only been getting the > ssys.src anyway. I am very new to BSD, but I thought that was > what man pages and /usr/share was for. ;-) Did you find Alt-F somewhere in a man page? ;-) Currently, pcvt is third-party software, designed to compile on several systems. I've heavily tweaked the original directory structure of the pcvt distrib- ution to fit halfways into our /usr/src structure. Maintaining the pcvt doc under /usr/share would cause the potential risk of being different from the docs under /usr/src. I think it might be possible to make this doc a separate (small) source package however, and leave a pointer to it under /usr/share. (Maybe i will add a small intro for the keyboard usage into pcvt(4), but hey, did you even read that man page? :-) > > > typing esc-k-return (with bash set -ao vi that is) ... > > Well, you `vi' fans out there. Wouldn't have it been better to > > temporarily ``set -o emacs'' and simly hit the up arrow key? :-} > Sure, if I had thought of it. :-( I *prefer* vi editing modes > because I learned vi first. At this point, I think it would take > me a few decades to learn to like emacs. Not to start a ``why is mine better than yours'' discussion, but i've always found the arrow keys easier to `learn'. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 00:02:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA13244 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:02:56 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA13238 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:02:53 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA10787; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:00:09 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506290700.AAA10787@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Re[4]: Triton supports Parity? To: Paul_Turley@ccm2.hf.intel.com (Paul Turley) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.Org In-Reply-To: <950628144901_1@ccm.hf.intel.com> from "Paul Turley" at Jun 28, 95 02:49:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3470 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk > > > Text item: > > > ... > > I did not argue the fact of this point with you, see above, I was just > trying to make you more aware of what some folks will do with your postings. > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD > > > Actually, I think it was you who missed the point. Re-distributing a person's > email address and/or private email is a violation of "netiquette" at the > least, Bull crap, I bet I could have found you in the Net yellow pages and a thousand other ways. Giving out someone's email address is like giving out a phone number. And we all have caller ID automagically. If you think email addresses are something private, get a clue!! I could have found your email address given your name with out much of a problem if I really wanted to. A few quick data base searches on the news archives that this whole thing was from would have turned it up fast enough. I just didn't want to bother, and the person would have given it to me had he had it handy. You published your email address in a usenet article, you should expect it to get passed around! > and, as i pointed out in an earlier private message, a violation of ethics. Perhaps if there was such a thing as an ``unlisted'' email address, yes, but there ain't so nope, don't buy that one either. > I'm > far less concerned about what "some folks" will do with my messages that what > you *have* done. Such as forwarding a private email message to an entire > mailing > list without permission. I do not need your permission, you should study copyright law. When you send me a letter, that copy of that letter becomes MINE to do with as I wish. I could have published it in a newspaper if I desired to. And, what I did publish was my reply to it, my writting in that posting constitued some 80% of the content with me ``quoting and attributing'' where I had quoted you as reference material. I clearly own the copyright on that, which by Berne convintion is mine and I can do with it as I wish. Also if you don't want your email to fall under these conditions you must put a header on it clearly stating so. Again, get a clue!!! > > Second, i have never made any "postings" on this matter. *All* my > correspondence > regarding this issue has been through *private* email. On only one > occasion was > my correspondent given permission to repeat my message. And that is how it got to me! > > --- > Paul Turley > turley@ornews.intel.com > Copyright (C) 1995, Paul Turley. Redistribution through any means prohibited > without expressed, written permission of the author. Won't hold up in court I am afraid, since it was redistributed electronically and probly no less than 20 copies made to get to me. Also you really should read copyright law, you left out at least 1 important requirement, location. And (C) is not an accepted legal replacement for the lower case ``c'' inclosed by a circle, just use the written word, no need for the redundant and meaningless since it is not correct (C). Gee.. and no response on violation of Intel Corporate Security Polices, I thought for sure you would have tried to defend yourself on that one :-). -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 00:11:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA13705 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:11:06 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA13697 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:11:00 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA22135; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 16:41:12 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506290711.QAA22135@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Load Balancing/Sharing w/ FreeBSD To: tom@sdf.com (Tom Samplonius) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 16:41:12 +0930 (CST) Cc: nc@ai.net, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Tom Samplonius" at Jun 28, 95 10:52:07 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1163 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Tom Samplonius stands accused of saying: > > DNS servers will just sequentially cycle through a list of servers, it > > won't intelligently find the least busy machine. Is there a way to do it > > intelligently with DNS? > > True, but is your best option as it would need to be done before the > login begins. How would a busy machine pass off a login? Also, named > could be hacked to be a little more intelligent that a round robin scheme. DLS (the distributed login service) is what you want. Users get the DLS login on the modem server, which offers their credentials to the network. I know it can be used to share modem servers between several seperate hosts, I suspect that if it doesn't currently understand load averages, that it could easily be taught. > Tom -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 00:15:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA13899 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:15:15 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA13893 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:15:12 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA09748; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:14:56 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA03451; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:15:31 -0700 Message-Id: <199506290715.AAA03451@corbin.Root.COM> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: Paul_Turley@ccm2.hf.intel.com (Paul Turley), FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re[4]: Triton supports Parity? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jun 95 00:00:09 PDT." <199506290700.AAA10787@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:15:30 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> Text item: ... >> Actually, I think it was you who missed the point. Re-distributing a person's ... >Bull crap, I bet I could have found you in the Net yellow pages and a thousand Blah blah blah... Could you two PLEASE remove freebsd-hackers from your little bitch session? All of this is far outside the charter of this list. Please take this private. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 00:23:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA14406 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:23:17 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA14388 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:22:54 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA10850; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:22:54 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506290722.AAA10850@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: keyboard intermittently locked @ boot: prompt. To: JOHN@gab.unt.edu (John Booth) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <54F37551@gab.unt.edu> from "John Booth" at Jun 28, 95 05:24:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1703 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > Well, as the title reads the keyboard on one of my sytems > > > is intermittently locked @ the boot: prompt > > > Intel Premiere II motherboard. Only problem I have found w/2.05R ;). > > > > I only have one comment: ``Take that Intel Premiere II (aka Plato) and > > through it in the nearest trash can''. > > That seems a bit harsh ;)....Sorry our micro-maintenance shop here is > really big on Intel MB's...(I don't care for them personally). > Not a big deal. Just thought if it was a REAL bug and not some > hardware idiosyncrosy w/Intel garbage that it may have needed to be > looked into. Perhaps I was a bit harsh, but right now I am not a very happer camper with Intel as they have been jerking my chain pretty hard lately and I really feel like going out to Hillsboro and giving Andy G. (CEO of Intel, can't remeber his last name, but it starts with a G) a big piece of my mind. Let me see, hang at the boot: prompt, humm... what version of the funky Intel bios does this have (ie, have you checked to see if you have the latest for this board, it is a flash upgradeable board and there have been many bios related bug fixes). This is 2.0.5, so the boot blocks should not be trying to do serial port console stuff any more [This did get turned off in didn't it??] I can't come up with what it would be right off the top of my head as I have not seen a hang at boot: from any one in a long long time. At this point in the boot code it should be spinning on a BIOS int 0x16 trying to get a character from the keyboard. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 01:14:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA16267 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:14:47 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA16255 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:14:23 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA10941; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:09:14 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506290809.BAA10941@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: packet forwarding To: tom@sdf.com (Tom Samplonius) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Cc: davidg@Root.COM, rsnow@legend.txdirect.net, jbeukema@hk.super.net, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Tom Samplonius" at Jun 28, 95 07:16:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 523 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, David Greenman wrote: > > > You need to add 'options GATEWAY' to your kernel config file. > > If you're lazy, you can use "sysctl" to turn it on too, and add it to > rc.local I've tested this with a GENERIC kernel from 4-12 and it worked > fine. I don't things have changed. Just like this: sysctl -w net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 02:38:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA19084 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 02:38:56 -0700 Received: from minnow.render.com (render.demon.co.uk [158.152.30.118]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA19078 ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 02:38:49 -0700 Received: (from dfr@localhost) by minnow.render.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA29629; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:39:37 +0100 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:39:36 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Gary Palmer cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rude shock with U.K. mirrors In-Reply-To: <21971.804404158@westhill.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Gary Palmer wrote: > In message <199506290451.FAA04975@whisker.internet-eireann.ie>, "Jordan K. Hubb > ard" writes: > > 1. ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/BSD/FreeBSD does not contain 2.0.5. > > I'll poke the ftp guys - i've dealt with them before. This would be good. It is only two hops away from me :-) > > > 2. unix.hensa.ac.uk/pub/walnut.creek/FreeBSD doesn't exist. > > It's `/mirrors/walnut.creek'. Does our MIRROR.LIST really say /pub? Oops. > > > 3. src.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/unix/FreeBSD couldn't be verified; it's > > dead at the moment. > > src.doc is dead? That's bad. It's like the main ftp server in the UK :-( I think src.doc is running Slowlaris 2.4 and it doesn't work very well. Hensa is a bit better but I had to get most of 2.0.5 direct from wcarchive :-( > > >This is all rather sad. Is there nothing we can do to perhaps increase > >the level of support in the U.K.? With 2 core team members either in > >or from that country, it even seems a tad embarassing! :( > > unix.hensa want' mirroring us at all until I started poking around, > and the last time I spoke to the ftp.demon guys there was a mirror > script running... :-( unix.hensa.ac.uk:/mirrors/walnut.creek/FreeBSD/2.0.5-RELEASE seems to work. Does anyone know where they got their des distribution from? -- Doug Rabson, Microsoft RenderMorphics Ltd. Mail: dfr@render.com Phone: +44 171 251 4411 FAX: +44 171 251 0939 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 05:01:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA22117 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 05:01:02 -0700 Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA22110 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 05:00:53 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA13599 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:00:51 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Thu, 29 Jun 95 07:00 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Thu, 29 Jun 95 07:00 CDT Message-Id: Subject: SCSI channel hangs? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:00:35 -0500 (CDT) From: "Karl Denninger, MCSNet" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 933 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone seen these? I have a 2742 (twinchannel EISA) adapter and also run 1742As. I've seen this problem with both, where the system starts printing on the console "disk xxx not responding to selection" and then panics after a few minutes and restarts (presumably because one or more critical pages is on the swap partition and can't be gotten). The problem does not appear to be load related; I have seen this on an *idle* system! The disk subsystem and adapter is known good; I used to run BSDI on this same machine without problems. Ideas? -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity Modem: [+1 312 248-0900] | (shell, PPP, SLIP, leased) in Chicagoland Voice: [+1 312 248-8649] | 7 Chicagoland POPs, ISDN, 28.8, much more Fax: [+1 312 248-9865] | Email to "info@mcs.net" WWW: http://www.mcs.net ISDN - Get it here TODAY! | Home of Chicago's only FULL AP Clarinet feed! From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 05:33:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA22975 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 05:33:57 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA22969 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 05:33:55 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA04304 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 05:33:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199506291233.FAA04304@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Mailing List for vat and multimedia apps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 05:33:52 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk If you want to joint the list just send mail to : multimedia@star-gate.com and in the body of the mail subscribe multimedia Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 05:58:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA23489 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 05:58:33 -0700 Received: from hutcs.cs.hut.fi (root@hutcs.cs.hut.fi [130.233.192.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA23464 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 05:57:48 -0700 Received: from shadows.cs.hut.fi by hutcs.cs.hut.fi with SMTP id AA16069 (5.65c8/HUTCS-S 1.4 for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:57:08 +0300 From: Heikki Suonsivu Received: (hsu@localhost) by shadows.cs.hut.fi (8.6.10/8.6.10) id PAA00901; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:57:07 +0300 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:57:07 +0300 Message-Id: <199506291257.PAA00901@shadows.cs.hut.fi> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: "Rodney W. Grimes"'s message of 23 Jun 1995 05:02:59 +0300 Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Otaniemi, Finland Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From: "Rodney W. Grimes" > A bit of extra delay shouldn't affect throughput, especially with TCP large > window support, or does it? It won't effect long TCP streams, but it sure as heck raises cane with UDP traffic (NFS for example) which has no window and must wait for round trip times for packet acks. Not doing windowing or similar technique means broken protocol, if it is supposed to give high bandwidth on anything but a local network. And at least to me it would seem stupid to design protocols which are supposed to work reasonably in local networks only. The more so as network speeds increase. NFS is an example of a bad design. As what comes to latency, I can't see any considerable difference in delays between ciscos and FreeBSD routers (both seem to add about 1ms per router). In comparison, over atlantic 1ms per router would make about 1% of the delay, all the rest being light of speed and the phase of the moon. Not much to be done by latency improvements? -- Heikki Suonsivu, T{ysikuu 10 C 83/02210 Espoo/FINLAND, hsu@cs.hut.fi home +358-0-8031121 work -4513377 fax -4555276 riippu SN From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 06:21:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA24073 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 06:21:19 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA24067 ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 06:21:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA05588; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:21:40 +0100 To: Luigi Rizzo cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any experience on tcl7.4/tk4.0 ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jun 1995 20:44:36 +0200." <199506231844.UAA09033@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:21:40 +0100 Message-ID: <5585.804432100@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Does anyone have any experience in running these newer tcl/tk versions > on FreeBSD 2.0.5R ? Yeah, I actually compiled up the latest b4 versions just the other day and was pleased to see that they both passed _all_ their tests under 2.0.5R, and for the first time! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 06:22:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA24130 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 06:22:46 -0700 Received: from wcarchive.cdrom.com (wcarchive.cdrom.com [192.216.191.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA24124 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 06:22:45 -0700 Received: from dg-rtp.dg.com (dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com [128.222.1.2]) by wcarchive.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA12478 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 06:23:49 -0700 Received: by dg-rtp.dg.com (5.4R2.01/dg-rtp-v02) id AA26402; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:22:07 -0400 Received: (rivers@localhost) by ponds.UUCP (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA03441 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.cdrom.com; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:25:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:25:02 -0400 From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199506291225.IAA03441@ponds.UUCP> To: freebsd-hackers@wcarchive.cdrom.com Subject: Another 2.0.5-RELEASE installation problem. Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well - I have discovered something else "missing" from the 2.0.5-RELEASE installation, and have some suggestions. First a scenario. 1) I grabbed the 2.0.5-RELEASE distribution from freefall, and simply copied it onto a CD, just as it sat on freefall. 2) I then tried to do an install from this, but the CD-ROM installation wanted the distribution files to be in the "dist" subdirectory, which, of course, mine weren't since it was a copy of freefall. (Perhaps some instructions for this would be nice...) 3) I then thought "What about this 'mounted file system' option" and went to try that, thinking "I'll just mount my CD, and do the installation there." Unfortunately, there is no way to specify how/where to mount the file system, or to specify which mounted file system. If we assume /mnt, then there at least needs to be a dialogue that asks for the mount parameters and device (in my case, '-t cd9660' and '/dev/cd0a') Fortunately, I have several machines at home, and was able to simply move my SCSI CD-ROM to another 2.0 machine, mount the CD and do an install from NFS over ethernet... but most people will probably not be in this situation (or maybe they would be if they're doing such esoteric installs.) - Thanks - - Dave Rivers - From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 06:22:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA24162 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 06:22:51 -0700 Received: from dg-rtp.dg.com (dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com [128.222.1.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA24137 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 06:22:47 -0700 Received: by dg-rtp.dg.com (5.4R2.01/dg-rtp-v02) id AA26419; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:22:11 -0400 Received: (rivers@localhost) by ponds.UUCP (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA03589 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:33:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:33:42 -0400 From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199506291233.IAA03589@ponds.UUCP> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Problem with multi-volume GNU tar files. Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well - here's another one. I've discovered (while backing up/restoring for a 2.0 -> 2.0.5 using tar) that there is a subtle bug in GNU tar when multivolume requests are made and a sufficiently large file spans a volume. I believe the file has to be large enough so that the remainder (on the next volume) is larger than the block size (which defaults to 10240 bytes.) There is a problem with the count of how much was written to the first volume, and how much is left to write on the second. It turns out the first volume contains more bytes than the 'tar' program "believes", so the headers for the next volume don't contain the correct # of bytes. The symptom of this phenomena is a message (when restoring) of: This volume is out of sequence when, if fact, it is in sequence. I've determined that no bytes are lost; just some confusion about what is where. Judicious use of 'pax' to retrieve the pieces from the tar archives, along with 'dd' to get the right bytes appears to be able to reconstruct the files. I started to look into this; but the volumes I have are 150-meg QIC tapes that take forever to get through... so, I hope to reproduce this with two small floppy images for debugging. Until someone (hopefully me) gets to this, I'd suggest using cpio instead of 'tar' for saving things... - Dave Rivers - From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 06:22:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA24180 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 06:22:52 -0700 Received: from alpha.dsu.edu (ghelmer@alpha.dsu.edu [138.247.32.12]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA24160 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 06:22:50 -0700 Received: (from ghelmer@localhost) by alpha.dsu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA01880; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:21:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:21:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Guy Helmer To: Wilko Bulte cc: FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: 205 on laptop, slip is acting weird In-Reply-To: <199506221753.TAA01134@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 22 Jun 1995, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Hi > > I now have 205 successfully installed on my laptop (DEC Hinote). > Using NFS on 115k SLIP this went OK. It now even runs X ;-) > > The only thing (for now) that annoys me is that everything > on the SLIP/IP side doesnot work except for ping and NFS. > > So telnet,rlogin etc to or from the laptop fail: > ... > Ftp times out, etc. > > I'm probably missing the very obvious here but still.. > The 'server' is a 115 machine, the docs I have to pull > over will at work (lacking ftp to the world at home). Try checking the server and the client to make sure that compressed-slip is either enabled or disabled on both ends. Perhaps try an "ifconfig sl0 -link0" on the 2.0.5 system to clear the SC_COMPRESS flag on the slip interface and see if TCP services work (if so, the 1.1.5 system must have its end of the link in "normal" mode). Otherwise, perhaps try the "compress" flag in /etc/slip.hosts on the 1.1.5 system to force compressed-slip. The 2.0.5 kernel's slip interface notices when a compressed-slip packet arrives and sets the SC_COMPRESS (link0) flag on the interface for outgoing packets. This bit me, since 2.0.5's sliplogin no longer clears/sets the interface flags - I had to add an "ifconfig" to /etc/sliphome/slip.login to clear the link0 flag. > Other than this things look great > Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl Guy Helmer, Dakota State University Computing Services - ghelmer@alpha.dsu.edu Government cannot give to people what it does not first take away from people. - Kenneth W. Sollitt From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 07:43:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA26225 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:43:30 -0700 Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA26217 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:43:25 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spooky.rwwa.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA03119; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:44:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199506291444.KAA03119@spooky.rwwa.com> X-Authentication-Warning: spooky.rwwa.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gcc 2.7.0 and FreeBSD 2.0.5 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jun 1995 20:13:31 +0200." <199506231813.UAA29598@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:44:26 -0400 From: Robert Withrow Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > As Bruce did already remark, you should rather turn off .weak symbols > at all (it's an option somewhere in the config files that has been > turned on explicitly and erroneously for FreeBSD). Out of curiosity, how do you get correct (i.e. posix) behavior from shared libraries without weak symbols? If I define my own ``read()'' routine, other posix routines which ``act as if they internally call read'' won't call *my* read() will they? (In FBSD2.0.5 I mean). If they do, this is broken (non-posix) behavior. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 598 4480, Fax: +1 617 598 4430 Net: witr@rwwa.COM R.W. Withrow Associates, 319 Lynnway Suite 201, Lynn MA 01901 USA From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 08:18:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA27426 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:18:57 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA27416 ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:18:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199506291518.IAA27416@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Thomas David Rivers cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Problem with pty's? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jun 95 21:06:17 EDT." <199506290106.VAA20304@ponds.UUCP> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:18:53 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I've seen an interesting problem crop up with 2.0 and now with 2.0.5-RELEASE. > >Let's say I log on, start X, start a console Xterm and run "vi" on >a file in it. > >Then, lets say I don't stop the "vi" program; but kill the X server (or >else, the X server dies for some reason.) > >Then, I log back on, start another console Xterm and guess what happens... >some of my keystrokes are going to that "vi" program that was (and still >is, for some reason) running on the previous Xterm, and some are going >to the shell which is now running on the pty. I've seen this before and even posted once about it. What's worse is that if the previous user was root, and you log in as yourself, you can gain control of those sessions. I don't know if the processes should get hupped. In most of the cases I've seen it, the process was backgrounded and just spitting out output. It seems like the programs stdout wasn't closed properly. This has been around since at least 2.0. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 08:38:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA28322 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:38:13 -0700 Received: from devnull (devnull.mpd.tandem.com [131.124.4.29]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA28316 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:38:10 -0700 Received: from olympus by devnull (8.6.8/8.6.6) id KAA02786; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:37:56 -0500 Received: by olympus (4.1/TSS2.1) id AA02007; Thu, 29 Jun 95 10:38:03 CDT From: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner) Message-Id: <9506291538.AA02007@olympus> Subject: relinked s3 server, forgot about Doublescan To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:38:02 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 682 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I relinked my XF86_S3 server and wonderful things happened. A signal 8 I was geting with andrew's help went away. But I had a MODELINE in my XF86Config file terminated with Doublescan and this is no longer recognized. ( This is a mode used for DOOM :-) ) Modeline "320x200" 12.588 320 336 384 400 200 204 205 225 Doublescan It says something about expected a Monitor definition and underlines the Doublescan. How do I get this back? Boyd -- _______________________________________________________________________ Boyd Faulkner faulkner@isd.tandem.com _______________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 08:42:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA28604 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:42:21 -0700 Received: from miller.cs.uwm.edu (miller.cs.uwm.edu [129.89.35.13]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA28598 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:42:19 -0700 Received: (from james@localhost) by miller.cs.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) id KAA04455 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:42:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:42:18 -0500 From: Jim Lowe Message-Id: <199506291542.KAA04455@miller.cs.uwm.edu> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Shuttle jpg images Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I captured some images this morning of the shuttle/mir docking off the Mbone. If you are interesting in this sort of thing, I put the images on our ftp server (ftp://ftp.cs.uwm.edu/pub/shuttle_gifs/sts71). -Jim From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 08:43:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA28648 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:43:13 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA28641 ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:43:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199506291543.IAA28641@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Karl Denninger, MCSNet" cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SCSI channel hangs? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jun 95 07:00:35 CDT." Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:43:09 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Has anyone seen these? > >I have a 2742 (twinchannel EISA) adapter and also run 1742As. I've seen >this problem with both, where the system starts printing on the console >"disk xxx not responding to selection" and then panics after a few minutes >and restarts (presumably because one or more critical pages is on the swap >partition and can't be gotten). > >The problem does not appear to be load related; I have seen this on an >*idle* system! The disk subsystem and adapter is known good; I used to run >BSDI on this same machine without problems. > >Ideas? > >-- >-- >Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity >Modem: [+1 312 248-0900] | (shell, PPP, SLIP, leased) in Chicagoland >Voice: [+1 312 248-8649] | 7 Chicagoland POPs, ISDN, 28.8, much more >Fax: [+1 312 248-9865] | Email to "info@mcs.net" WWW: http://www.mcs.net >ISDN - Get it here TODAY! | Home of Chicago's only FULL AP Clarinet feed! That error message does not sound like an error message from the aic7xxx driver (aka 27/28/29/3940 driver). Can you give me some info on the periferals you are using, the version of FreeBSD, and what kind of operations you are doing before you hit this condition? Thanks -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 08:48:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA28911 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:48:14 -0700 Received: from freebsd.netcraft.co.uk (lambda.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.124]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA28854 ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:47:07 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by freebsd.netcraft.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA13284; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 16:45:44 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199506291545.QAA13284@freebsd.netcraft.co.uk> Subject: Re: Rude shock with U.K. mirrors To: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 16:45:43 +0100 (BST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506290451.FAA04975@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 29, 95 05:51:59 am Reply-to: paul@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1409 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Jordan K. Hubbard who said > > I was sending some stuff to a U.K. journalist concerning FreeBSD and > obtaining it in the U.K. when I decided to verify the 3 entries we > currently show for the U.K. mirrors. What I found was somewhat > disappointing: > > 1. ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/BSD/FreeBSD does not contain 2.0.5. This is true. > 2. unix.hensa.ac.uk/pub/walnut.creek/FreeBSD doesn't exist. Try unix.hensa.ac.uk:/mirrors/walnut.creek/FreeBSD hensa actually tracks freebsd.org very well. > 3. src.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/unix/FreeBSD couldn't be verified; it's > dead at the moment. > It's a heavily hit site and hard to connect to. I just did though and it's all there. > This is all rather sad. Is there nothing we can do to perhaps increase > the level of support in the U.K.? With 2 core team members either in > or from that country, it even seems a tad embarassing! :( Well, it's not quite as bad as you made out above. Maybe we can liaise a bit on this since I'm here on the ground and contacting the high street mags is something I've been thinking about myself. If I could actually catch you in so you can answer the phone instead of me talking to your answering machine....... -- Paul Richards, Bluebird Computer Systems. FreeBSD core team member. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, http://www.freebsd.org/~paul Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1222 457651 (home) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 09:04:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA29346 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:04:24 -0700 Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA29340 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:04:20 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA18305; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 11:04:08 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Thu, 29 Jun 95 11:04 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Thu, 29 Jun 95 11:04 CDT Message-Id: Subject: Re: SCSI channel hangs? To: gibbs@freefall.cdrom.com (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 11:04:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "Karl Denninger, MCSNet" Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506291543.IAA28641@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at Jun 29, 95 08:43:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2833 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > >Has anyone seen these? > > > >I have a 2742 (twinchannel EISA) adapter and also run 1742As. I've seen > >this problem with both, where the system starts printing on the console > >"disk xxx not responding to selection" and then panics after a few minutes > >and restarts (presumably because one or more critical pages is on the swap > >partition and can't be gotten). > > > >The problem does not appear to be load related; I have seen this on an > >*idle* system! The disk subsystem and adapter is known good; I used to run > >BSDI on this same machine without problems. > > > >Ideas? > > > >-- > >-- > >Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity > >Modem: [+1 312 248-0900] | (shell, PPP, SLIP, leased) in Chicagoland > >Voice: [+1 312 248-8649] | 7 Chicagoland POPs, ISDN, 28.8, much more > >Fax: [+1 312 248-9865] | Email to "info@mcs.net" WWW: http://www.mcs.net > >ISDN - Get it here TODAY! | Home of Chicago's only FULL AP Clarinet feed! > > That error message does not sound like an error message from the aic7xxx > driver (aka 27/28/29/3940 driver). Can you give me some info on the > periferals you are using, the version of FreeBSD, and what kind of > operations you are doing before you hit this condition? > > Thanks Here's the stuff from the messages file: Jun 25 21:32:13 Jupiter /kernel: rget 3, lun 0 (sd3) timed out Jun 25 21:32:12 Jupiter /kernel: Jun 25 21:32:12 Jupiter /kernel: ahc1: target 2, lun 0 (sd2) timed out Jun 25 21:32:12 Jupiter /kernel: Jun 25 21:32:13 Jupiter /kernel: ahc1: target 2, lun 0 (sd2) timed out Jun 25 21:32:13 Jupiter /kernel: Jun 25 21:32:13 Jupiter /kernel: ahc1: target 3, lun 0 (sd3) timed out Jun 25 21:32:13 Jupiter /kernel: Jun 25 21:32:13 Jupiter /kernel: ahc1: target 3, lun 0 (sd3) timed out Jun 25 21:32:13 Jupiter /kernel: Jun 25 21:32:13 Jupiter /kernel: ahc1: target 2, lun 0 (sd2) timed out Jun 25 21:32:13 Jupiter /kernel: Jun 25 21:32:13 Jupiter /kernel: ahc1: target 2, lun 0 (sd2) timed out Jun 25 21:32:13 Jupiter /kernel: Jun 25 21:32:13 Jupiter /kernel: ahc1: target 3, lun 0 (sd3) timed out Jun 25 21:32:13 Jupiter /kernel: Jun 25 21:32:13 Jupiter /kernel: ahc1: target 3, lun 0 (sd3) timed out Note that the disks themselves are NOT hung, nor is the bus. Termination has been checked and is known good, and this same configuration works fine with BSDI. I have this problem with both the 27xx and the 1742A adapters. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity Modem: [+1 312 248-0900] | (shell, PPP, SLIP, leased) in Chicagoland Voice: [+1 312 248-8649] | 7 Chicagoland POPs, ISDN, 28.8, much more Fax: [+1 312 248-9865] | Email to "info@mcs.net" WWW: http://www.mcs.net ISDN - Get it here TODAY! | Home of Chicago's only FULL AP Clarinet feed! From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 09:08:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA29484 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:08:40 -0700 Received: from virgo.ai.net (root@virgo.ai.net [198.69.44.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA29478 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:08:37 -0700 Received: from aries.ai.net (aries.ai.net [198.69.44.1]) by virgo.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA00671; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 12:10:27 -0400 Received: (from nc@localhost) by aries.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id MAA08244; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 12:07:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 12:07:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Coordinator To: Michael Smith cc: Tom Samplonius , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Load Balancing/Sharing w/ FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199506290711.QAA22135@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > DLS (the distributed login service) is what you want. Users get the > DLS login on the modem server, which offers their credentials to the > network. I know it can be used to share modem servers between several > seperate hosts, I suspect that if it doesn't currently understand > load averages, that it could easily be taught. > Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for. -Jerry. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 09:51:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA00636 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:51:49 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA00630 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:51:45 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA16469; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:51:41 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id SAA22393; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:51:40 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA06569; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 17:39:41 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506291539.RAA06569@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: gcc 2.7.0 and FreeBSD 2.0.5 To: witr@rwwa.com (Robert Withrow) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 17:39:39 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506291444.KAA03119@spooky.rwwa.com> from "Robert Withrow" at Jun 29, 95 10:44:26 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 881 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Robert Withrow wrote: > > Out of curiosity, how do you get correct (i.e. posix) behavior > from shared libraries without weak symbols? > > If I define my own ``read()'' routine, other posix routines > which ``act as if they internally call read'' won't call > *my* read() will they? (In FBSD2.0.5 I mean). If they do, > this is broken (non-posix) behavior. Do you mean something like this? j@uriah 441% cat > foo.c #include int read(int fd, char *buf, unsigned long l) { printf("read() called\n"); return 0; } int main(void) { char b[100]; printf("main()\n"); fgets(b, 100, stdin); return 0; } ^D j@uriah 442% cc -o foo foo.c j@uriah 443% ./foo main() read() called -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 09:59:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA00973 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:59:48 -0700 Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.191.196.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA00957 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:59:38 -0700 Received: (from tom@localhost) by misery.sdf.com (8.7.Beta.7/8.7.Beta.7) id KAA14379; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:03:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Michael Smith cc: nc@ai.net, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Load Balancing/Sharing w/ FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199506290711.QAA22135@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 29 Jun 1995, Michael Smith wrote: > DLS (the distributed login service) is what you want. Users get the > DLS login on the modem server, which offers their credentials to the > network. I know it can be used to share modem servers between several > seperate hosts, I suspect that if it doesn't currently understand > load averages, that it could easily be taught. Not all terminal servers support DLS. It is also pretty useless if access is not through a modem server. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 10:23:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA01671 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:23:54 -0700 Received: from elf.kendall.mdcc.edu (elf.kendall.mdcc.edu [147.70.150.122]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA01664 ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:23:52 -0700 Received: (from freelist@localhost) by elf.kendall.mdcc.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA27519; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 13:17:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 13:17:14 -0400 (EDT) From: FreeBSD Mailing List drop To: sos@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <9506290530.AA00190@login.dknet.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 29 Jun 1995 sos@freebsd.org wrote: [re: IDE CDROM driver] > What I'd like to know a little more about is how it coexists > with "normal" disks on the same controller ?? This is VERY > important as most IDE PC's come with the disk as master and the > CDROM as slave on the SAME controller. This ultimately mandates > that the driver should be able to handle both disks and CDROM's, > or we will once again have two drivers talking to the same > hardware (that does sound familliar though :-( ), which won't > work very well, if at all. Are you sure about this "most" rating? Admittedly we're a Gateway-centric shop here, but the machines we have bought from them with IDE CD ROMs not only come with their own IDE controllers, but claim in the documentation that using them on the same controller will result in poor performance. Similarly, the few IDE CD ROMs I have looked at in the store all came with their own IDE controllers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 11:59:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA03717 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 11:59:31 -0700 Received: from quirk.com (root@quirk.com [198.82.204.56]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA03711 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 11:59:30 -0700 Received: (from cstruble@localhost) by quirk.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA03497; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:59:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:59:45 -0400 From: "Craig .regexp. Struble" Message-Id: <199506291859.OAA03497@quirk.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Weirdnesses with serial ports and lpd Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk These are actually two separate problems. First, I've noticed that whatever serial ports that FreeBSD touches become unavailable to my BIOS whenever I reboot. I have Award BIOS on an OPTI based P60 motherboard. I have no clue why this is happening, and I was wondering if anyone else sees this problem. The other problem has to do with lpd. It core dumps if I run lpr from within an XEmacs 19.12 command shell. It runs fine within an xterm. Anyone else seen this? See ya later, Craig -- Craig Struble - Grad Student, Consultant, | Student ACM Co-President, Virginia Tech | The space reserved for more Email - cstruble@vt.edu | obfuscation. URL - http://acm.vt.edu/~cstruble/ | From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 13:00:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA05332 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 13:00:44 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA05324 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 13:00:41 -0700 Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <17435(2)>; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 12:45:31 PDT Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <49860>; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 12:45:21 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: Amancio Hasty cc: Scott Mace , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Space Shuttle Mission is being broadcasted In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:49:02 PDT." <199506282149.OAA01416@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 12:45:07 PDT From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <95Jun29.124521pdt.49860@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk RIn message <199506282149.OAA01416@rah.star-gate.com> you write: >Well, there has been some slight problems on the MBONE. 'slight' is putting it lightly. >BTW: Does anyone if we can generate the bogus ICMP messages mentioned >in the enclosed mail. No, we don't. Generally the ICMP messages are generated by ancient boxes running ancient software; the bug has been fixed long ago. (check /sys/netinet/ip_icmp.c: /* Don't send error in response to a multicast or broadcast packet */ if (n->m_flags & (M_BCAST|M_MCAST)) goto freeit; Bill From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 13:16:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA05805 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 13:16:34 -0700 Received: from dvals1.larc.nasa.gov (dvals1.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.4.96]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA05799 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 13:16:32 -0700 Received: (from branson@localhost) by dvals1.larc.nasa.gov (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA25154; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 16:16:09 -0400 From: Branson Matheson Message-Id: <199506292016.QAA25154@dvals1.larc.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: vgetty or Answering Machine To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 16:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506210814.BAA01275@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Jun 21, 95 01:14:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 785 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Howdy, > > Is being a few days since I posted the pointer for the vgetty > stuff and I am wondering if anyone has managed to get it up > and running? As a matter of fact... I am working to incorperate my modem which is a cheap-o $89 14400/Fax/Voice modem. I have the codes... but not alot of time to hack at the source. If I can find the time and get this to work, It would make it cheap and easy for people to use FreeBSD as their answering machine ;-) -branson -- MATHESON, E BRANSON E.B.MATHESON@LaRC.NASA.GOV Mail Stop 931 COMPUTER SCIENCES CORPORATION NASA Langley Research Center Assigned to Operations Support Division Hampton, VA 23681-0001 Phone +1 804 864-9700 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 13:27:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA06106 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 13:27:06 -0700 Received: from vinkku.hut.fi (vode@vinkku.hut.fi [130.233.245.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA06100 ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 13:26:53 -0700 Received: (from vode@localhost) by vinkku.hut.fi (8.6.11/8.6.7) id XAA19416; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 23:26:50 +0300 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 23:26:50 +0300 From: Kai Vorma Message-Id: <199506292026.XAA19416@vinkku.hut.fi> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: A little off-topic, but.. Fresco? In-Reply-To: <199506270057.BAA03579@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> References: <199506270057.BAA03579@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Reply-To: Kai.Vorma@hut.fi Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > I finally decided to build Fresco after going through the whole X11 build > anyway (to link with -lgnumalloc, which does seem to work well for me at > least so far). However, I see a rather large lack of sample APPLICATIONS > for the thing. Hmmm? How are people testing the resulting library, if > I may ask? I think the R6 contrib tape contains some examples that you can use for testing. ..vode From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 14:01:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA07067 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:01:47 -0700 Received: from quirk.com (root@quirk.com [198.82.204.56]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA07054 ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:01:43 -0700 Received: (from cstruble@localhost) by quirk.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA03854; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 17:02:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 17:02:02 -0400 From: "Craig .regexp. Struble" Message-Id: <199506292102.RAA03854@quirk.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A little off-topic, but.. Fresco? In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, June 27, 1995 01:57:26 +0100 References: <199506270057.BAA03579@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, June 27, 1995 at 01:57:26 (+0100), Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > I finally decided to build Fresco after going through the whole X11 build > anyway (to link with -lgnumalloc, which does seem to work well for me at > least so far). However, I see a rather large lack of sample APPLICATIONS > for the thing. Hmmm? How are people testing the resulting library, if > I may ask? > Well before Fresco will work, MAJOR changes in ld.so are necessary. Doug Rabson (dfr@render.com) has written some of the changes, and I've been testing them. They fix most of the problems I was having with Fresco. I'll let Doug discuss the changes he's made. He did post about his changes a few weeks back, but he seemed to be summarily ignored. Maybe now he can bring things back up again. I've gotten Fresco to build, albeit I hacked my way through it. I'll be happy to send my FreeBSD.cf and the other files I have. BTW, the version with X11R6 is OLD. If you look at the link http://www.faslab.com/fresco/HomePage.html You'll find where to get the latest version. See ya later, Craig -- Craig Struble - Grad Student, Consultant, | Student ACM Co-President, Virginia Tech | The space reserved for more Email - cstruble@vt.edu | obfuscation. URL - http://acm.vt.edu/~cstruble/ | From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 14:08:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA07369 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:08:59 -0700 Received: from picard.cmf.nrl.navy.mil (root@picard.cmf.nrl.navy.mil [134.207.10.68]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA07362 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:08:54 -0700 Received: from cmsun.cmf.nrl.navy.mil (kenh@cmsun.cmf.nrl.navy.mil [134.207.10.4]) by picard.cmf.nrl.navy.mil (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA18243; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 17:08:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199506292108.RAA18243@picard.cmf.nrl.navy.mil> To: Amancio Hasty cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: postcript page to print envelopes? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:05:33 PDT." <199506210805.BAA01181@rah.star-gate.com> X-Face: "Evs"_GpJ]],xS)b$T2#V&{KfP_i2`TlPrY$Iv9+TQ!6+`~+l)#7I)0xr1>4hfd{#0B4 WIn3jU;bql;{2Uq%zw5bF4?%F&&j8@KaT?#vBGk}u07<+6/`.F-3_GA@6Bq5gN9\+s;_d gD\SW #]iN_U0 KUmOR.P<|um5yPkEpSD@*e` Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 17:08:47 -0400 From: Ken Hornstein Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I got an HP laserjet 5MP and I am wondering if anyone has a cool >postscript page to print envelopes? I wrote a program that works on my HP 4MP at home. It also generates the USPS Postnet barcode and FIM markings which will allow your mail to be sorted electronically, which can reduce your mail delivery time. It doesn't _always_ help, but I've discovered it makes a huge difference when sending cards around the holidays (my wife and I now get cards to our families on time :-) ). --Ken From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 14:09:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA07433 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:09:58 -0700 Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.49.17.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA07423 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:09:52 -0700 Received: from hcswork.hcs.de by hcshh.hcs.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sRQqJ-001PS7C; Thu, 29 Jun 95 23:09 METDST Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0sRQqI-000UTlC; Thu, 29 Jun 95 23:09 METDST Message-Id: From: hm@hcswork.hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: pcvt beta 27 available for testing To: port-i386@netbsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 23:09:46 +0200 (METDST) Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 695 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk This pcvt beta contains all the bugfixes which arrived since beta 24. I hope to make a release from this .... pcvt 3.20 beta 27 can be found on: Host: gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Address: 137.226.31.2 Directory: pub/incoming File: pcvt-320b27.tar.gz Size: 338930 Bytes Note: the file is invisible! (Thanks to Thomas Gellekum and Christoph Kukulies !) Please report any bugs, suggestions, fixes and diffs _FAST_ to hm@hcs.de. Thank you, hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis GFKT HCS Computertechnik GmbH Hamburg, Europe Unplug cables at least semi-annually to allow unused bits to drain. (HP RAQ) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 14:19:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA07870 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:19:20 -0700 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA07860 ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:19:18 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:19:18 -0700 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199506292119.OAA07860@freefall.cdrom.com> To: cstruble@quirk.com Subject: Re: A little off-topic, but.. Fresco? Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >I'll let Doug discuss the changes he's >made. He did post about his changes a few weeks back, but he seemed to >be summarily ignored. Rest assured that this is not the case. Doug has commit privileges and has already gotten some if not all of his changes into the current source tree. Makes it rather hard to be summarily ignored. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 14:28:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA08173 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:28:28 -0700 Received: from quirk.com (root@quirk.com [198.82.204.56]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA08165 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:28:21 -0700 Received: (from cstruble@localhost) by quirk.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA03936; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 17:28:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 17:28:35 -0400 From: "Craig .regexp. Struble" Message-Id: <199506292128.RAA03936@quirk.com> To: Jeffrey Hsu Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A little off-topic, but.. Fresco? In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, June 29, 1995 14:19:18 -0700 References: <199506292119.OAA07860@freefall.cdrom.com> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, June 29, 1995 at 14:19:18 (-0700), Jeffrey Hsu wrote: > >I'll let Doug discuss the changes he's > >made. He did post about his changes a few weeks back, but he seemed to > >be summarily ignored. > > Rest assured that this is not the case. Doug has commit privileges > and has already gotten some if not all of his changes into the > current source tree. Makes it rather hard to be summarily ignored. Well, I tend to be clueless about who does and who doesn't have commit priviledges. Trying to keep up with the few hundred mailing messages I get every day is hard enough :-) Ok, that's good to hear, because the changes he made and sent to me made dish work, which makes me believe they are on the right track. There's a few other nagging issues about just how to search for dynamically loaded objects. The way Fresco is packaged, it tries to dlopen libblah.so. Since FreeBSD doesn't have symbolic links floating around to point to the latest libblah, this doesn't quite cut it. The question is, what is the best way to ask for libraries to dynamically load without running into various version problems? Doug and I haven't come up with a good solution. See ya later, Craig -- Craig Struble - Grad Student, Consultant, | Student ACM Co-President, Virginia Tech | The space reserved for more Email - cstruble@vt.edu | obfuscation. URL - http://acm.vt.edu/~cstruble/ | From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 14:28:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA08216 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:28:59 -0700 Received: from devnull (devnull.mpd.tandem.com [131.124.4.29]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA08209 ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:28:53 -0700 Received: from olympus by devnull (8.6.8/8.6.6) id QAA17910; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 16:28:41 -0500 Received: by olympus (4.1/TSS2.1) id AA03643; Thu, 29 Jun 95 16:28:46 CDT From: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner) Message-Id: <9506292128.AA03643@olympus> Subject: Re: A little off-topic, but.. Fresco? To: cstruble@quirk.com (Craig .regexp. Struble) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 16:28:45 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506292102.RAA03854@quirk.com> from "Craig .regexp. Struble" at Jun 29, 95 05:02:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 741 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > BTW, the version with X11R6 is OLD. If you look at the link > > http://www.faslab.com/fresco/HomePage.html > > You'll find where to get the latest version. > > See ya later, > Craig > -- > Craig Struble - Grad Student, Consultant, | > Student ACM Co-President, Virginia Tech | The space reserved for more > Email - cstruble@vt.edu | obfuscation. > URL - http://acm.vt.edu/~cstruble/ | > You can also see the nifty problem reporting page under Problems. Way cool. Dude. Boyd -- _______________________________________________________________________ Boyd Faulkner faulkner@isd.tandem.com _______________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 15:09:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA09579 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:09:07 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA09573 ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:08:56 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA00258; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 23:09:38 +0100 To: "Craig .regexp. Struble" cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A little off-topic, but.. Fresco? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jun 1995 17:02:02 EDT." <199506292102.RAA03854@quirk.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 23:09:38 +0100 Message-ID: <256.804463778@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Well before Fresco will work, MAJOR changes in ld.so are > necessary. Doug Rabson (dfr@render.com) has written some of the > changes, and I've been testing them. They fix most of the problems I Hmmm. Well, all I can say is that I got Fresco and all of the applications for it on the contrib tape but one to work, but I was still disappointed with their lack of quality and the fact that they seemed to use _athena_ widgets for all GUI objects! Are there no clothes on the Fresco emperor or what? ;-) Jordan > was having with Fresco. I'll let Doug discuss the changes he's > made. He did post about his changes a few weeks back, but he seemed to > be summarily ignored. Maybe now he can bring things back up again. > > I've gotten Fresco to build, albeit I hacked my way through it. I'll > be happy to send my FreeBSD.cf and the other files I have. > > BTW, the version with X11R6 is OLD. If you look at the link > > http://www.faslab.com/fresco/HomePage.html > > You'll find where to get the latest version. > > See ya later, > Craig > -- > Craig Struble - Grad Student, Consultant, | > Student ACM Co-President, Virginia Tech | The space reserved for more > Email - cstruble@vt.edu | obfuscation. > URL - http://acm.vt.edu/~cstruble/ | > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 15:18:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA09862 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:18:31 -0700 Received: from quirk.com (root@quirk.com [198.82.204.56]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA09856 ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:18:28 -0700 Received: (from cstruble@localhost) by quirk.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA04281; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:18:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:18:48 -0400 From: Craig Struble Message-Id: <199506292218.SAA04281@quirk.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A little off-topic, but.. Fresco? In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, June 29, 1995 23:09:38 +0100 References: <199506292102.RAA03854@quirk.com> <256.804463778@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, June 29, 1995 at 23:09:38 (+0100), Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Hmmm. Well, all I can say is that I got Fresco and all of the > applications for it on the contrib tape but one to work, but I was > still disappointed with their lack of quality and the fact that they > seemed to use _athena_ widgets for all GUI objects! Are there no > clothes on the Fresco emperor or what? ;-) > Well, the best that can be said is that they give the appearance that Fresco works. The real test is having dish work. With all the static constructors floating around, and with the ld.so in 2.0.5, dish blows up quickly (and button gives me funky garbage, even with the ld.so changes that Doug made). After Doug's patches, dish works perfectly. That give me a warm fuzzy (or was that the homebrew I'm about to grab :-). The Fresco version I have doesn't look like Athena at all. Looks almost NeXTish to me. Maybe the new version does better. You have a direct connection to the Internet, right? I can plop a window up on your screen if you like. See ya later, Craig -- Craig Struble - Grad Student, Consultant, | World's most versatile C program Student ACM Co-President, Virginia Tech | (*nix version) Email - cstruble@vt.edu | URL - http://acm.vt.edu/~cstruble/ | #include "/dev/tty" From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 15:25:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA10120 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:25:27 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA10109 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:25:13 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id AAA26177 ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 00:25:10 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id AAA06032 ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 00:24:57 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199506292224.AAA06032@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Load Balancing/Sharing w/ FreeBSD To: nc@ai.net (Network Coordinator) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 00:24:56 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: tom@sdf.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Network Coordinator" at Jun 29, 95 00:28:25 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD BUILT-19950501 ctm#617 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 466 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > DNS servers will just sequentially cycle through a list of servers, it > won't intelligently find the least busy machine. Is there a way to do it > intelligently with DNS? Depends on how the resolver is written but generally the NS records are used in "random" order but it will use the fastest one after a while. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 15:46:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAB10608 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:46:45 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA10602 ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:46:43 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id AAA26297 ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 00:46:40 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id AAA06067 ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 00:46:39 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199506292246.AAA06067@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: What's the story with the FAQ? To: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 00:46:39 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506290049.BAA03175@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 29, 95 01:49:21 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD BUILT-19950501 ctm#617 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 724 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > If you look at the current FAQ in http://www.freebsd.org, you'll see that > it's pretty much woefully out of date. What's the story on this? Ollivier, I have a few things to add to the FAQ (regarding mailing-lists and more). > were't we working on greatly updating this? I notice that you're still > not even being given proper credit as the new FAQ owner. Well, Gary just put "The FreeBSD FAQ team" as owner which suits me well. Most of the original work is his so I was reluctant to put myself in his place... I'll have a serious look at the FAQ soon and update it. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 17:19:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA13322 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 17:19:44 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA13316 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 17:19:39 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA23951; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 09:51:56 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506300021.JAA23951@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Load Balancing/Sharing w/ FreeBSD To: tom@sdf.com (Tom Samplonius) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 09:51:56 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, nc@ai.net, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Tom Samplonius" at Jun 29, 95 10:03:41 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1457 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Tom Samplonius stands accused of saying: > > DLS (the distributed login service) is what you want. Users get the > > DLS login on the modem server, which offers their credentials to the > > network. I know it can be used to share modem servers between several > > seperate hosts, I suspect that if it doesn't currently understand > > load averages, that it could easily be taught. > > Not all terminal servers support DLS. It is also pretty useless if > access is not through a modem server. - I maintain that a cheap '486 with 40M of local disk makes an excellent 16-port terminal server, for significantly less than the cost of a 'real' equivalent. - Not using a modem server in the original scenario is Just Plain Stupid; if you have a set of servers that are likely to be so loaded that you don't want logins to them, putting modems on them is a Really Bad Idea. Ergo, DLS is a pretty good way to go 8) > Tom (FWIW, there's a PA site here that's using a slightly modified version of dgetty/dlogin/dlsd if anyone's having trouble finding them...) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 18:35:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA14547 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:35:42 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA14540 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:35:34 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA19627; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:28:06 +1000 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:28:06 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506300128.LAA19627@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: cstruble@quirk.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Weirdnesses with serial ports and lpd Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >These are actually two separate problems. First, I've noticed that >whatever serial ports that FreeBSD touches become unavailable to my >BIOS whenever I reboot. I have Award BIOS on an OPTI based P60 >motherboard. I have no clue why this is happening, and I was wondering >if anyone else sees this problem. The BIOS may be confused by the ports having their fifos enabled. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 18:53:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA14831 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:53:19 -0700 Received: from orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil ([158.9.11.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA14825 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:53:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199506300153.SAA14825@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA005347236; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 21:53:56 -0400 Subject: Re: PPP password security To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 21:53:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Pechter ILEX Systems" In-Reply-To: <199506211715.TAA20917@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 21, 95 07:15:38 pm Reply-To: pechter@sesd.ilex.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0a3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 852 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > It's a long-standing tradition to store remote passwords in plaintext > (/etc/uucp/systems etc.), and i don't see a problem as long as the > files are mode 0600 and owned by a `trusted' user. If you cannot > trust root, forget about Unix security. > > Perhaps all those programs should refuse to work if they detect > insecure files containing the password (like the .rhosts and .netrc > permission checks). > Pyramid did this with rhosts. and .netrc ... also they made vi ignore .exrc files in non-home directories unless set exrc was set in exinit variable... Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter |Systems Administrator | N2RDI Ilex Systems |170 Patterson Ave | Shrewsbury, New Jersey 07702 908-532-2369 |pechter@sesd.ilex.com | pechter@stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 19:00:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA15065 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:00:25 -0700 Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.191.196.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA15057 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:00:14 -0700 Received: (from tom@localhost) by misery.sdf.com (8.7.Beta.7/8.7.Beta.7) id TAA15193; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:05:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Michael Smith cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, nc@ai.net, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Load Balancing/Sharing w/ FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199506300021.JAA23951@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 30 Jun 1995, Michael Smith wrote: > > Not all terminal servers support DLS. It is also pretty useless if > > access is not through a modem server. > ... > - Not using a modem server in the original scenario is Just Plain Stupid; > if you have a set of servers that are likely to be so loaded > that you don't want logins to them, putting modems on them is a > Really Bad Idea. I was refering to telnet/rlogin access from other hosts. I would hardly call that "Stupid". Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 19:08:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA15320 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:08:13 -0700 Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.191.196.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA15297 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:07:55 -0700 Received: (from tom@localhost) by misery.sdf.com (8.7.Beta.7/8.7.Beta.7) id TAA15209; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:13:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Ollivier Robert cc: Network Coordinator , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Load Balancing/Sharing w/ FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199506292224.AAA06032@blaise.ibp.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 30 Jun 1995, Ollivier Robert wrote: > > DNS servers will just sequentially cycle through a list of servers, it > > won't intelligently find the least busy machine. Is there a way to do it > > intelligently with DNS? > > Depends on how the resolver is written but generally the NS records are used > in "random" order but it will use the fastest one after a while. NS records? Don't you mean A records? I know that named will do round-robin ordering on any item with multiple records. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 19:10:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA15481 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:10:26 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA15470 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:10:15 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA20990; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:01:58 +1000 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:01:58 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506300201.MAA20990@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, timb@thud.cdrom.com Subject: Re: PRoblem's detecting modem Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >I am having problem's with freebsd detecting my internal modem's again. >I am running the latest snap and it wont detect my zoom modem.. >Detect's my other reveal brand fine.. >Also i seem to remmeber the 2.0.5 release detected it.. Nothing in this area has changed for several months. >One other thing that hasnt seem to gone away.. >IT's pretty annoying to.. >Proccesses that dont die.. >BAsicly my modem or something might hang using a device and i can't >free up the device it was using ..Can't kill the program that >was using the device either.. Processes hang closing ttys if there is output to drain and crtscts is set and CTS has gone away. They can be unwedged after 1 second using `comcontrol /dev/ttydN drainwait 1'. 1 second is too small for general use. /etc/rc.serial suggest using 180 seconds. `stty -crtscts ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:16:26 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA21320; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:08:43 +1000 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:08:43 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506300208.MAA21320@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hackers@freebsd.org, mnewell@lupine.nsi.nasa.gov Subject: Re: pppd eating CPU time Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >When I connect to it from another host (we're using both SunOS 4.1.3 and >FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 as PPP clients) everything looks normal. However, as >soon as we ping an interface to verify that it is up the corresponding >ppp daemon starts using up all available CPU time. If we have two ppp >daemons running, they split the time between them. Everything works >correctly (albiet commands issued on the server run REAL slowly), but >there's 0% idle time. This occurs wether or not there's data crossing >the link. Do you mean ppp? It uses all the available CPU time when output is active. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 19:40:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA16286 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:40:26 -0700 Received: from lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (lupine.nsi.nasa.gov [198.116.2.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA16277 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:40:24 -0700 Received: (from mnewell@localhost) by lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA18765; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 22:37:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 22:37:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael C. Newell" To: Bruce Evans cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pppd eating CPU time In-Reply-To: <199506300208.MAA21320@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 30 Jun 1995, Bruce Evans wrote: > >When I connect to it from another host (we're using both SunOS 4.1.3 and > >FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 as PPP clients) everything looks normal. However, as > >soon as we ping an interface to verify that it is up the corresponding > >ppp daemon starts using up all available CPU time. If we have two ppp > >daemons running, they split the time between them. Everything works > >correctly (albiet commands issued on the server run REAL slowly), but > >there's 0% idle time. This occurs wether or not there's data crossing > >the link. > > Do you mean ppp? It uses all the available CPU time when output is > active. No, I'm using pppd, not ijppp. It didn't take 100% of the CPU before the 2.0,5R upgrade (from 2.0R), and it doesn't on my 1.1.5.1 system... And no data is flowing across the link; it's just burning up CPU cycles. :-? TOP shows: PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 164 mikeppp 93 0 272K 52K run 23.5H 47.07% 47.07% pppd 1063 absinthe 94 0 272K 560K run 416:08 46.73% 46.73% pppd 1619 root 40 0 420K 740K run 0:01 6.27% 3.97% top 206 root 2 -10 636K 536K sleep 17:20 0.46% 0.46% mrouted 492 root 18 0 572K 504K sleep 0:01 0.00% 0.00% tcsh 99 root 18 0 272K 120K sleep 0:07 0.00% 0.00% cron ... uninteresting stuff edited out ... "mikeppp" and "absinthe" are the two accounts dedicated to running pppd on my server. This occurs even when no other network code (e.g. mrouted) is running. Weird... Thanks, Mike +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are | |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily | |Sterling Software, Inc. | reflect those of the NSI program, | |MNewell@nsipo.nasa.gov | Sterling Software, NASA, or anyone | |+1-202-434-8954 | else. | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | work: http://www.eco.nsi.nasa.gov/~mnewell | | home: http://www.newell.arlington.va.us | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 21:40:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA19434 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 21:40:09 -0700 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA19428 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 21:40:07 -0700 Received: from cc.uq.oz.au by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au id <16681-0@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:39:40 +1000 Received: from netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id OAA03103 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:23:55 +1000 Received: by netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.8.1/DEVETIR-0.1) id EAA20175; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 04:20:53 GMT Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 04:20:53 GMT From: Stephen Hocking Message-Id: <199506300420.EAA20175@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Qlogic SCSI Linux driver available. Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Xref: pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au comp.periphs.scsi:19172 >Path: pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!warp.cris.com!usenet >From: ehm@cris.com (Erik H. Moe) >Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi >Subject: Re: BEST PCI Bang for you Buck???SCSI-2?? >Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 22:21:52 GMT >Organization: Concentric Internet Services >Lines: 20 >Message-ID: <3snc56$m7t@warp.cris.com> >References: <3sad86$l69@agate.berkeley.edu> <3saoj6$1ba2@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3schle$2jo@news.mistral.co.uk> >NNTP-Posting-Host: crc1.cris.com >X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46 Stever@mistral.co.uk (Steve Robertson) wrote: >In Article <3saoj6$1ba2@news.doit.wisc.edu> >tripp@cs.wisc.edu (Jeffrey M. Tripp) wrote: >Also, I recently changed to a Qlogic IQ PCI SCSI, this is my third foray into >PCI Scsi cards and no problems, certainly no more than when I tried to >get a early Linux working with my ATI MAch 32 and Ultrastor EISA card. >If Linux does not support it who's fault it that...from what I understand all the >spec is out there for that controller and it will just take time for it to be >supported under Linux... Check out ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/Incoming/isp1020-0.1.gz there is an alpha driver for the Qlogic ISP1020 PCI SCSI card. ehm@cris.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 23:01:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA21489 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 23:01:23 -0700 Received: from ns.dknet.dk (root@ns.dknet.dk [193.88.44.42]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA21481 ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 23:01:19 -0700 Received: from login.dknet.dk by ns.dknet.dk with SMTP id AA27399 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 08:00:57 +0200 Received: by login.dknet.dk (4.1/SMI-4.1DKnet00) id AA27812; Fri, 30 Jun 95 08:00:28 +0200 Message-Id: <9506300600.AA27812@login.dknet.dk> Subject: Re: your mail To: freelist@elf.kendall.mdcc.edu (FreeBSD Mailing List drop) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 95 8:00:26 MET DST Cc: sos@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: ; from "FreeBSD Mailing List drop" at Jun 29, 95 1:17 pm From: sos@freebsd.org Reply-To: sos@freebsd.org X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to FreeBSD Mailing List drop who wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jun 1995 sos@freebsd.org wrote: > [re: IDE CDROM driver] > > What I'd like to know a little more about is how it coexists > > with "normal" disks on the same controller ?? This is VERY > > important as most IDE PC's come with the disk as master and the > > CDROM as slave on the SAME controller. This ultimately mandates > > that the driver should be able to handle both disks and CDROM's, > > or we will once again have two drivers talking to the same > > hardware (that does sound familliar though :-( ), which won't > > work very well, if at all. > > Are you sure about this "most" rating? Admittedly we're a Gateway-centric > shop here, but the machines we have bought from them with IDE CD ROMs not > only come with their own IDE controllers, but claim in the documentation > that using them on the same controller will result in poor performance. > Similarly, the few IDE CD ROMs I have looked at in the store all came > with their own IDE controllers. Yes I'm positive, this is the way many "el cheapo" machines are setup here. I aggree its a bad idea, but we have to support the situation on the whole thing is kind of pointless. I would also give us a true ATA dirver for handling the more modern E-IDE disk's (and as a side effect we could get a rewrite/replacement for wd.c). What it all boils down to is that I'm not very entusiastic about getting support for this in by some quick hacked driver that has too many limitations, our users will scream at us for claiming having support for IDE CDROM's and then only having a halfbacked version. Besides Linux got it right, why should we ???? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org | sos@login.dknet.dk) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 23:22:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA21905 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 23:22:18 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA21898 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 23:22:15 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA20274; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 08:22:08 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA28014 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 08:22:08 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id HAA09100 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 07:51:22 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506300551.HAA09100@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Weirdnesses with serial ports and lpd To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 07:51:22 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506291859.OAA03497@quirk.com> from "Craig .regexp. Struble" at Jun 29, 95 02:59:45 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 471 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Craig .regexp. Struble wrote: > > The other problem has to do with lpd. It core dumps if I run lpr from > within an XEmacs 19.12 command shell. It runs fine within an > xterm. Anyone else seen this? Which is dumping core, lpd or lpr? I've never seen such a problem. Using lpr all the time, also from within (FSF) emacs. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 29 23:22:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA21933 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 23:22:22 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA21897 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 23:22:14 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA20285; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 08:22:11 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA28018 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 08:22:09 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id HAA08953 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 07:36:10 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506300536.HAA08953@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: A little off-topic, but.. Fresco? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 07:36:10 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506292128.RAA03936@quirk.com> from "Craig .regexp. Struble" at Jun 29, 95 05:28:35 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 860 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Craig .regexp. Struble wrote: > > Well, I tend to be clueless about who does and who doesn't have > commit priviledges. Trying to keep up with the few hundred mailing > messages I get every day is hard enough :-) $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/avail: davidg,rgrimes,jkh,nate,alm,paul,smace,rich,ats,wollman,csgr,dyson,pst, karl,sos,sean,phk,jvh,proven,guido,martin,hsu,adam,bde,sef,joerg,se, torstenb,julian,rich,gpalmer,dfr,gclarkii,swallace,ljo,dima,gibbs,lars, jmz,asami,ache,ugen,dufault,wpaul,alm,amurai,jmacd,jfieber,olah,roberto, markm,jhs Btw., i've been rather impressed about the _huge_ patch Doug came up with. But i didn't have any good C++ examples to test it. (Well, now i know how he's been testing it. :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 30 01:42:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA25107 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 01:42:08 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA25100 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 01:42:04 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA24679; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 18:13:27 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506300843.SAA24679@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Load Balancing/Sharing w/ FreeBSD To: tom@sdf.com (Tom Samplonius) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 18:13:26 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, nc@ai.net, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Tom Samplonius" at Jun 29, 95 07:05:16 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 998 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Tom Samplonius stands accused of saying: > > - Not using a modem server in the original scenario is Just Plain Stupid; > > if you have a set of servers that are likely to be so loaded > > that you don't want logins to them, putting modems on them is a > > Really Bad Idea. > > I was refering to telnet/rlogin access from other hosts. I would > hardly call that "Stupid". IIRC, the "original scenario" involved dialin lines; hence the qualification. One could, triviallly, use a telnet server in the same situation. It's suboptimal, but allows things to work without modifying any remote clients. > Tom -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 30 03:54:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA28431 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 03:54:35 -0700 Received: from minnow.render.com (render.demon.co.uk [158.152.30.118]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA28408 ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 03:54:29 -0700 Received: (from dfr@localhost) by minnow.render.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA03929; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:05:54 +0100 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:05:53 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "Craig .regexp. Struble" cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A little off-topic, but.. Fresco? In-Reply-To: <199506292102.RAA03854@quirk.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 29 Jun 1995, Craig .regexp. Struble wrote: > On Tue, June 27, 1995 at 01:57:26 (+0100), Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I finally decided to build Fresco after going through the whole X11 build > > anyway (to link with -lgnumalloc, which does seem to work well for me at > > least so far). However, I see a rather large lack of sample APPLICATIONS > > for the thing. Hmmm? How are people testing the resulting library, if > > I may ask? > > > Well before Fresco will work, MAJOR changes in ld.so are > necessary. Doug Rabson (dfr@render.com) has written some of the > changes, and I've been testing them. They fix most of the problems I > was having with Fresco. I'll let Doug discuss the changes he's > made. He did post about his changes a few weeks back, but he seemed to > be summarily ignored. Maybe now he can bring things back up again. I have now commited the ld.so changes to FreeBSD-current. To use them you will need to (at least) rebuilt crt0.o c++rt0.o and ld.so. I am not sure I would class the changes as MAJOR. Most of ld.so is unchanged; I just rewrote dlopen. I would like to see these changes move into the 2.1 track so can people please test them in -current and give me some feedback. -- Doug Rabson, Microsoft RenderMorphics Ltd. Mail: dfr@render.com Phone: +44 171 251 4411 FAX: +44 171 251 0939 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 30 07:05:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA02626 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 07:05:46 -0700 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA02610 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 07:04:54 -0700 Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id QAA03404; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 16:03:45 +0200 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 16:03:45 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199506301403.QAA03404@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: GCC 2.6.3 with bounds checking - gnu.gcc.announce #63 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Is anyone working on this ? Looks interesting... In article <3sp3p9$llq@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>, rj3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Richard William Jones) writes: |> GCC 2.6.3 / Bounds Checking is released. |> Version 0.1 alpha. |> By Richard W.M. Jones |> |> You can now download patches to give full, fine-grained bounds & pointer |> checking for GCC. It will catch errors in C code such as the following: |> |> int i; |> char array[10]; |> |> for (i = 0; i <= 10; ++i) |> array[i] = 0; |> |> and |> |> struct linked_list *p = first; |> |> for (; p; p = p->next) free (p); |> |> You will need to have a fresh source tree for GCC 2.6.3. The patches |> are located in |> |> ftp://dse.doc.ic.ac.uk/pub/misc/bcc |> |> There is a README file there which you should read first. |> |> Rich. |> |> -- -- ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 30 08:46:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA05970 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 08:46:31 -0700 Received: from quirk.com (root@quirk.com [198.82.204.56]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA05964 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 08:46:29 -0700 Received: (from cstruble@localhost) by quirk.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA04737; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:45:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:45:58 -0400 From: Craig Struble Message-Id: <199506301545.LAA04737@quirk.com> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers), joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Subject: Re: Weirdnesses with serial ports and lpd In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, June 30, 1995 07:51:22 +0200 References: <199506291859.OAA03497@quirk.com> <199506300551.HAA09100@uriah.heep.sax.de> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, June 30, 1995 at 07:51:22 (+0200), J. Wunsch wrote: > As Craig .regexp. Struble wrote: > > > > The other problem has to do with lpd. It core dumps if I run lpr from > > within an XEmacs 19.12 command shell. It runs fine within an > > xterm. Anyone else seen this? > > Which is dumping core, lpd or lpr? > > I've never seen such a problem. Using lpr all the time, also from > within (FSF) emacs. > lpd dumps core. Don't ask me why. I was trying to print a DVI file from within XEmacs (I love LaTeX mode), and I noticed that nothing was being piped to the printer. I went into /var/spool/output and there was an lpd.core file. I tried typing it directly in the window, thinking XEmacs was doing something wierd, same thing happens. Then I tried printing the same file from the xterm and everything was fine. It would seem to have something to do with the terminal settings, here's the printcap entry: # # Okidata OL400e Page Printer-- # lp|ol400e|lp1|text|ljet2p:\ :if=/usr/local/libexec/lpr/apsfilter:\ :lf=/var/log/lp1err:\ :lp=/dev/lpt0:\ :mx#0:\ :pl#66:\ :pw#80:\ :sd=/var/spool/output/lp1:\ :sh: apsfilter is version 1.11. There are no errors in the error file. I'd be more than happy to give you an account on my machine to try it out some time. I'd like to know I'm not crazy. See ya later, Craig -- Craig Struble - Grad Student, Consultant, | World's most versatile C program Student ACM Co-President, Virginia Tech | (*nix version) Email - cstruble@vt.edu | URL - http://acm.vt.edu/~cstruble/ | #include "/dev/tty" From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 30 09:01:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA06592 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 09:01:48 -0700 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA06571 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 09:01:31 -0700 Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id SAA03660 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 18:00:32 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199506301600.SAA03660@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Access rights on /sbin/init and other files To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 18:00:32 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 859 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk What is the point of having the following access rights ? -r-x------ 1 bin bin 151552 Jun 10 12:04 /sbin/init -r-x------ 1 bin bin 12288 Jun 10 12:04 /usr/sbin/watch To me it makes no sense to deny read/execute permission to standard executables. They don't contain critical data, are not SUID/SGID, and any user can get a copy of them anyways, from the distribution. Can we change the modes to 555 in future snapshots/distributions ? Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 30 09:05:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA06953 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 09:05:44 -0700 Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA06942 ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 09:05:43 -0700 From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199506301605.JAA06942@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: What's the story with the FAQ? To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 09:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506292246.AAA06067@blaise.ibp.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Jun 30, 95 00:46:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 588 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, We need whomever is working the WWW site to either: 1. Update the version on the WEB page when the docs change -OR- 2. Give the FAQ Team access. Well the FAQ Team should read "DOC Team" as John has the controls on the text stuff. Does this make sense to anyone??? Gary (Gota change my sig now...:)) -- Gary Clark II (N5VMF) | FreeBSD support and service gclarkii@FreeBSD.ORG | mail info@gbdata.com for information FreeBSD FAQ at ftp.FreeBSD.ORG in ~pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/share/FAQ/FreeBSD.FAQ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 30 11:43:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA12388 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:43:03 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA12373 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:42:58 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA13508; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:41:54 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506301841.LAA13508@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Access rights on /sbin/init and other files To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506301600.SAA03660@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from "Luigi Rizzo" at Jun 30, 95 06:00:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1090 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > What is the point of having the following access rights ? > > -r-x------ 1 bin bin 151552 Jun 10 12:04 /sbin/init > -r-x------ 1 bin bin 12288 Jun 10 12:04 /usr/sbin/watch > > To me it makes no sense to deny read/execute permission to standard > executables. These are not standard executables, and infact /sbin/init should probably not even be executable (but that would require a minor change to the kernel.) > They don't contain critical data, are not SUID/SGID, > and any user can get a copy of them anyways, from the distribution. You are free to change them on your system, but this was the decission that has been made on what mode's these files shall have. It is best for the standard distribution to error on the side of conservative security measures than to error the other way. These are security related binaries. > Can we change the modes to 555 in future snapshots/distributions ? No. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 30 11:56:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA14579 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:56:17 -0700 Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.191.196.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA14555 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:56:12 -0700 Received: (from tom@localhost) by misery.sdf.com (8.7.Beta.7/8.7.Beta.7) id MAA16345; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:01:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: Luigi Rizzo , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Access rights on /sbin/init and other files In-Reply-To: <199506301841.LAA13508@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 30 Jun 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > Can we change the modes to 555 in future snapshots/distributions ? > > No. I agree with Rod. Just in case anyone cares... Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 30 12:01:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA15239 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:01:04 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA15233 ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:01:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA20701; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 15:02:24 -0400 From: jfieber@grendel.csc.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199506301902.PAA20701@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Re: What's the story with the FAQ? To: gclarkii@freefall.cdrom.com (Gary Clark II) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 15:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Cc: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr, jkh@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199506301605.JAA06942@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Gary Clark II" at Jun 30, 95 09:05:42 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1121 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gary Clark II writes: > We need whomever is working the WWW site to either: > 1. Update the version on the WEB page when the docs change -OR- > 2. Give the FAQ Team access. The FAQ and handbook in the WWW server are updated from -current once a day automatically. However, since this was the first update of the FAQ since I engaged the autopilot, I missed a detail in my update script that cron runs. I'll watch to see that it gets properly updated today. And BTW, the changes to the FAQ regarding the movement of stuff to /usr/share/FAQ to /usr/share/FAQ/Text are somewhat misguided since, for the most part, the stuff in /usr/share/FAQ is obsolete and no longer maintained. CONTRIB.FreeBSD and MIRROR.SITES are the exception. The references in the FAQ should be replaced by links to the appropriate sections of the handbook. As of today, you can make a url that jumps directly to a particular section of the handbook. Shortly before 2.0.5, I asked if anyone would object if I zapped the obsolete stuff and nobody responded... -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ========== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 30 12:05:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA15451 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:05:37 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA15444 ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:05:35 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA13604; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:04:50 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506301904.MAA13604@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Cc: terry@cs.weber.edu, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, peter@bonkers.taronga.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506250625.AAA02326@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Jun 25, 95 00:25:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 944 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > : So *totally* divorce the configuration information from the *use* of the > : configuration. > : > : Then you can overwrite all the rc.* scripts or whatever to your heart's > : content. > > Things are close now, but need someone who is rather "retentive" to go > through and separate it out. What, I don't qualify as ``retentive'', a few folks would even call me ``anal retentive'' and have on occasion :-) :-). Please wait for the next revision before going crazy in there, these files have changed drastically. Now I need a way to put a knob on the location of the knob file (/etc/sysconfig) but it can't be in the knob file and must be visible to the 5 current consumers of sysconfig :-). Is that being ``retentive'' enough about makeing the rc.* scripts over- rideable?? -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 30 14:33:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA19785 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:33:06 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA19777 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:33:02 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA23787 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 15:32:53 -0600 Message-Id: <199506302132.PAA23787@rover.village.org> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Bug in header files on 2.0R Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 15:32:53 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk The file net/in.h is not compatible with C++. Specifically, it does things like: stuct ifnet { ... sturct if_data { ... } if_data; ... }; /* So far so good */ struct if_msghdr { ... struct if_data ifm_data; /* [1] */ }; Note that at [1] there is no if_data in scope under C++. There is a ifnet::if_data, but no plain if_data. Class and struct declrations nest in C++, but don't in C. Grrr. This problem doesn't exist in BSDi 1.1. A quick check of my BSD 4.4 Lite CD shows that it has the problem, however :-(. Sounds like a generic problem in BSD 4.4. The fix is simple and obvious, so I've included a patch below. I've not checked this against 2.0.5R, as I don't have a system handy to check it on. I've posted here in the hopes that other places where this sort of thing happens can be eliminated over time. For the moment I'm just using the patch. Warner *** if.h.dist Fri Jun 30 15:21:57 1995 --- if.h Fri Jun 30 15:24:09 1995 *************** *** 78,83 **** --- 78,107 ---- struct socket; struct ether_header; #endif + + struct if_data { + /* generic interface information */ + u_char ifi_type; /* ethernet, tokenring, etc */ + u_char ifi_addrlen; /* media address length */ + u_char ifi_hdrlen; /* media header length */ + u_long ifi_mtu; /* maximum transmission unit */ + u_long ifi_metric; /* routing metric (external only) */ + u_long ifi_baudrate; /* linespeed */ + /* volatile statistics */ + u_long ifi_ipackets; /* packets received on interface */ + u_long ifi_ierrors; /* input errors on interface */ + u_long ifi_opackets; /* packets sent on interface */ + u_long ifi_oerrors; /* output errors on interface */ + u_long ifi_collisions; /* collisions on csma interfaces */ + u_long ifi_ibytes; /* total number of octets received */ + u_long ifi_obytes; /* total number of octets sent */ + u_long ifi_imcasts; /* packets received via multicast */ + u_long ifi_omcasts; /* packets sent via multicast */ + u_long ifi_iqdrops; /* dropped on input, this interface */ + u_long ifi_noproto; /* destined for unsupported protocol */ + struct timeval ifi_lastchange;/* last updated */ + }; + /* * Structure describing information about an interface * which may be of interest to management entities. *************** *** 98,125 **** short if_unit; /* sub-unit for lower level driver */ short if_timer; /* time 'til if_watchdog called */ short if_flags; /* up/down, broadcast, etc. */ ! struct if_data { ! /* generic interface information */ ! u_char ifi_type; /* ethernet, tokenring, etc */ ! u_char ifi_addrlen; /* media address length */ ! u_char ifi_hdrlen; /* media header length */ ! u_long ifi_mtu; /* maximum transmission unit */ ! u_long ifi_metric; /* routing metric (external only) */ ! u_long ifi_baudrate; /* linespeed */ ! /* volatile statistics */ ! u_long ifi_ipackets; /* packets received on interface */ ! u_long ifi_ierrors; /* input errors on interface */ ! u_long ifi_opackets; /* packets sent on interface */ ! u_long ifi_oerrors; /* output errors on interface */ ! u_long ifi_collisions; /* collisions on csma interfaces */ ! u_long ifi_ibytes; /* total number of octets received */ ! u_long ifi_obytes; /* total number of octets sent */ ! u_long ifi_imcasts; /* packets received via multicast */ ! u_long ifi_omcasts; /* packets sent via multicast */ ! u_long ifi_iqdrops; /* dropped on input, this interface */ ! u_long ifi_noproto; /* destined for unsupported protocol */ ! struct timeval ifi_lastchange;/* last updated */ ! } if_data; /* procedure handles */ void (*if_init) /* init routine */ __P((int)); --- 122,128 ---- short if_unit; /* sub-unit for lower level driver */ short if_timer; /* time 'til if_watchdog called */ short if_flags; /* up/down, broadcast, etc. */ ! struct if_data if_data; /* Interface data */ /* procedure handles */ void (*if_init) /* init routine */ __P((int)); From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 30 16:10:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA22799 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 16:10:57 -0700 Received: from leonardo.net (leonardo.net [198.147.97.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA22793 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 16:10:56 -0700 Received: from localhost (obrien@localhost) by leonardo.net (8.6.5/8.6.6) id QAA00519; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 16:13:39 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 16:13:39 -0700 From: "Michael O'Brien" Message-Id: <199506302313.QAA00519@leonardo.net> To: gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com, imp@village.org Subject: Re: Creating iso9660 filesystems Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'd like to be able to put anything on an IOMega 100Mb floppy. Can't do it under 2.0R, as far as I can tell. And from what I've seen in the mailing lists, you have to reformat the things before you can begin to talk to them under 2.0.5R. I think IOMegas need a little help. I'd be glad to help but don't have a spec for the drive. Mike O'Brien From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 30 16:14:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA22997 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 16:14:21 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA22987 ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 16:14:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199506302314.QAA22987@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Michael O'Brien" cc: gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com, imp@village.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Creating iso9660 filesystems In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jun 95 16:13:39 PDT." <199506302313.QAA00519@leonardo.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 16:14:19 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >I'd like to be able to put anything on an IOMega 100Mb floppy. Can't >do it under 2.0R, as far as I can tell. And from what I've seen in >the mailing lists, you have to reformat the things before you can begin >to talk to them under 2.0.5R. I think IOMegas need a little help. >I'd be glad to help but don't have a spec for the drive. > >Mike O'Brien I've been working on this for a little while now. Once I get a little further, I'll post to the list about my progrmess. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 30 16:16:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA23164 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 16:16:49 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA23158 ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 16:16:47 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA06130; Fri, 30 Jun 95 17:09:53 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506302309.AA06130@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Caldera Network Desktop To: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 95 17:09:52 MDT Cc: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com, jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2387.804210853@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 27, 95 00:54:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > A little less random than the Monroy program. OK, a lot. > > The Monroy program was discontinued due to lack of interest. > > Jordan For a Limited time, we are offering free upgrades to the Lambert or Hubbard program for the cost of media + mailer + postage. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 30 16:28:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA23607 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 16:28:29 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA23595 ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 16:28:20 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA02048; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 00:28:54 +0100 To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: jmb@kryten.Atinc.COM (Jonathan M. Bresler), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: missing dict, ends make world In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:07:31 +0200." <199506251707.TAA18276@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sat, 01 Jul 1995 00:28:53 +0100 Message-ID: <2045.804554933@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Looking at the date on this message and several others over the last few days, I have to ask: Are we experiencing a 5-7 day time-warp in the mailing lists? I just saw a message from Poul-Henning come flying across and he's been off the air for many days now! Yes, yes, I'm supposed to be flying out of here in 5 hours.. I'll go back to work now.. :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 30 17:42:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA26113 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 17:42:27 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA26105 ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 17:42:18 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA24639; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 18:40:48 -0600 Message-Id: <199507010040.SAA24639@rover.village.org> To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Subject: Re: Caldera Network Desktop Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.org (Jordan K. Hubbard), faulkner@mpd.tandem.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 30 Jun 1995 17:09:52 MDT Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 18:40:47 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk : For a Limited time, we are offering free upgrades to the Lambert or : Hubbard program for the cost of media + mailer + postage. Sorry, but I don't have the disk space for *BOTH* on the same system. If someone accidentally got the two of them talking, to each other, I don't think they could stop them in time to prevent overflowing the 100G disks that I have on my system. Thanks for the offer none the less. :-) Warner P.S. This confirms my speculation that Terry and Jordan are AI programs... From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 30 18:15:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA26945 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 18:15:56 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA26939 ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 18:15:53 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA06979; Fri, 30 Jun 95 19:08:54 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9507010108.AA06979@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Hubbard vs. Lambert (was Re: Caldera Network Desktop) To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 95 19:08:54 MDT Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.org, faulkner@mpd.tandem.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199507010040.SAA24639@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Jun 30, 95 06:40:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > : For a Limited time, we are offering free upgrades to the Lambert or > : Hubbard program for the cost of media + mailer + postage. > > Sorry, but I don't have the disk space for *BOTH* on the same system. > If someone accidentally got the two of them talking, to each other, I > don't think they could stop them in time to prevent overflowing the > 100G disks that I have on my system. Along this same line: Can anyone say which is better? I know, I know "install them both and see for yourself". 8-) 8-). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 30 20:52:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA01270 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 20:52:59 -0700 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA01264 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 20:52:58 -0700 Received: from cc.uq.oz.au by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au id <24374-0@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 13:52:49 +1000 Received: from netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id NAA05501 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 13:57:11 +1000 Received: by netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.8.1/DEVETIR-0.1) id DAA25726; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 03:54:12 GMT Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 03:54:12 GMT From: Stephen Hocking Message-Id: <199507010354.DAA25726@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Memory leak somewhere? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >|From: Amancio Hasty >|I switched to gnumalloc on XF86_S3 and I have not seen any problems. >|It is kind of early to report bugs. So far xman is not hugging the >|X server's memory, at one point xman managed to make the X server >|grow to 20MB over here with libc's malloc. My guess is that there >|is a memory leak on the X server. Given that xman exasperates the >|problem it may be worth a try to use re-link the X server with >|mprof and running xman againt the X server. >| >|From: J Wunsch >|Hmm, except for XFree86 3.1.1, i've always modified my xf86site.def to >|use -lgmalloc (i simply forgot it when re-vamping the last official >|version from scratch). I've never noticed any problems. (And due to >|the modification of the site.def, this has been inherited by all >|clients, too.) > >I agree with you both. -- It gnumalloc works for the server >'in my hands' as well. > >Yet the beta testers did report problems. At the moment >it's far easier for me to create binaries for beta testing. >So unless there are objections I think I'll use gnumalloc in >the next couple rounds of beta tests and see if it can pass >the beta tests. Rich I was one of those beta testers reporting problems, back in the early days of R6. It's my view that all gnumalloc did was expose another bug, which was happily scribbling away in the huge holes that normal malloc leaves. That bug seems to have been fixed, as I've been happily using gnu malloc for some time now. Stephen From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 30 21:35:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA01722 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 21:35:16 -0700 Received: from lassie.eunet.fi (lassie.eunet.fi [192.26.119.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA01716 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 21:35:08 -0700 Received: from key.hole.fi by lassie.eunet.fi with SMTP id AA16949 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 07:35:04 +0300 Received: (from count@localhost) by key.hole.fi (8.6.11/8.6.12) id HAA00328 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 07:35:02 +0300 From: "Bror 'Count' Heinola" Message-Id: <199507010435.HAA00328@key.hole.fi> Subject: 2.0.5-RELEASE, 486 PCI and 3c503 -> PROBLEMS! To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 07:34:55 +0300 (EET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 3771 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Ok... Here's some food for thought: I had in mind to replace my _old_ 386SX motherboard with 486PCI motherboard, but I ran into problems; Configuration when I started: 386SX motherboard, no FPU, 8M RAM, 3c503 ether card, Tseng ET4000 video card, generic multi-I/O with IDE, Seagate ST3390A ide drive. I swapped the m/b, new motherboard is made bu MG Product, it has 3 ISA slots and 4 PCI slots, UMC chipset. All aforementioned cards, Intel 486DX/33 CPU w/128k L2 cache + 8M 36-bit JEDEC SIMM. NIC doesn't get probed right for some reason (look at the boot messages included below). I tried to change cards, board settings, even compiled a few kernels, didn't help. I tried 3 different 3c503 cards and one WD80003E card, not one of them worked. Even the 3COM diagnostics program for 3c503 didn't work under DOS, it just exited without saying anything. Linux probes the card correctly, I don't know if it would actually work, I didn't want to install the whole shitty shebang just to find that out. The "failed to clear shared memory at foo" message varied with the address I tried to gave it, I think 0xcc000 became 0xcc070. I can recheck if needed. Any ideas what might cause this problem? If there's known problems with UMC PCI chipset, please tell me. I haven't paid that m/b yet :) I *did* try fiddle with BIOS settings too but nothing helped. Jul 1 05:30:19 key reboot: rebooted by root Jul 1 05:30:19 key syslogd: exiting on signal 15 Jul 1 05:52:03 key /kernel: FreeBSD 2.0.5-RELEASE #0: Sat Jul 1 05:29:27 EET DST 1995 Jul 1 05:52:03 key /kernel: root@key.hole.fi:/usr/src/sys/compile/KEY Jul 1 05:52:03 key /kernel: CPU: i486DX (486-class CPU) Jul 1 05:52:03 key /kernel: real memory = 7995392 (1952 pages) Jul 1 05:52:07 key /kernel: avail memory = 6897664 (1684 pages) Jul 1 05:52:07 key /kernel: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: Jul 1 05:52:07 key /kernel: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard Jul 1 05:52:07 key /kernel: sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> Jul 1 05:52:08 key /kernel: ed0: failed to clear shared memory at c8010 - check configuration Jul 1 05:52:08 key /kernel: ed0 not found at 0x300 Jul 1 05:52:08 key /kernel: ed1 not found at 0x280 Jul 1 05:52:08 key /kernel: lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa Jul 1 05:52:08 key /kernel: lpt0: Interrupt-driven port Jul 1 05:52:08 key /kernel: lp0: TCP/IP capable interface Jul 1 05:52:08 key /kernel: sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa Jul 1 05:52:08 key /kernel: sio0: type 16450 Jul 1 05:52:08 key /kernel: sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa Jul 1 05:52:09 key /kernel: sio1: type 16450 Jul 1 05:52:09 key /kernel: fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa Jul 1 05:52:09 key /kernel: fdc0: NEC 765 Jul 1 05:52:09 key /kernel: fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in Jul 1 05:52:10 key /kernel: wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa Jul 1 05:52:10 key /kernel: wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): Jul 1 05:52:10 key /kernel: wd0: 325MB (666624 sectors), 768 cyls, 14 heads, 62 S/T, 512 B/S Jul 1 05:52:10 key /kernel: wdc1 not found at 0x170 Jul 1 05:52:11 key /kernel: npx0 on motherboard Jul 1 05:52:11 key /kernel: npx0: INT 16 interface Jul 1 05:52:11 key /kernel: Probing for devices on the pci0 bus: Jul 1 05:52:11 key /kernel: configuration mode 1 allows 32 devices. Jul 1 05:52:11 key /kernel: pci0:16: vendor=0x1060, device=0x8881, class=bridge [not supported] Jul 1 05:52:11 key /kernel: pci0:18: vendor=0x1060, device=0x8886, class=bridge [not supported] Jul 1 06:04:30 key syslogd: exiting on signal 15 -- Bror 'Count' Heinola # E-mail: # Network admin of muncca.fi Pengerkatu 13b A5 # count@snafu.muncca.fi # Count in IRC 00530 HELSINKI # count@key.hole.fi # "Be excellent to each # ...free your mind... # other!" - Bill & Ted From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 30 22:57:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA02814 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 22:57:48 -0700 Received: from bitcom (sovcom.kiae.su [144.206.136.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA02804 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 22:57:40 -0700 Received: by bitcom id AA03108 (5.65.kiae-1 ); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 08:52:13 +0300 Received: by sovcom.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Sat, 1 Jul 95 08:52:12 +0300 Received: by astral.msk.su (UUPC/@ v6.14g, 06Jun95) id AA04533; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 09:28:50 +0400 (MSD) To: dennis , inet-access@earth.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <199506282326.TAA22957@mail.htp.com> In-Reply-To: <199506282326.TAA22957@mail.htp.com>; from dennis at Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:26:17 -0400 Message-Id: Organization: Ha-olahm Yetzirah X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.38 MSDOS] Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 09:28:49 +0400 (MSD) From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: Watchdog/Hard Reboot for BSD UN*X Mime-Version: 1.0 Lines: 19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 896 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199506282326.TAA22957@mail.htp.com> dennis writes: >The ET/WDT is an ISA card with a hardware timer that wires directly into >the reset switch on the pc and can reset the PC just as if you pressed the >reset button. The watchdog timer can detect system hangs in seconds instead >of hours. The question is: what happens for soft reboot? I.e. if program just use reboot() syscall? Bad assumption is: system reboots, watchdog don't receive his tics anymore and goes to reboot timeout, system start to load, and in the middle of system loading watchdog issue reset, so system boots again... -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 30 23:10:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA03249 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 23:10:37 -0700 Received: from physics.su.oz.au (dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA03240 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 23:10:34 -0700 Received: by physics.su.oz.au id AA05617 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 16:07:06 +1000 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199507010607.AA05617@physics.su.oz.au> Subject: Re: X server and Diam.St.64VRAM Vision968 + TI 3026 220Mhz RAMDAC - HOW ? To: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 16:07:05 +1000 (EST) Cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, rashid@haven.ios.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Jan Isley" at Jun 26, 95 00:06:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1127 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> > Subject: XFree and Diam.Stealth 64VRAM 86C968-P + TI 220Mhz 3026 - HOW ? ? >> > Newsgroups: alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions >alt.uu? > >> > Sorry for the possible off-topic, but probably some1 here customized >> > S3 server for that particular chipset ( subject) ? > >That would be the Diamond Stealth 64 Video VRAM. I like mine. :) >The VRAM has a S3-964 and a Ti 3025 RAMDAC. It should work now with >the XFree86 3.1.1 S3 driver. The Video VRAM has a S3-968 and a Ti 3026 >RAMDAC. For the S3-968, the 3.1.1u2 S3 driver works with Linux now. > >One of the commercial outfits claim to have a working driver for it. >They have (or had) a demo available via ftp. > >> Wait for the next release of XFree86 (or ask the XFree86 folks) there is >> support in 3.1.1A and later for this card, but I don't know if that is >> a public release yet. > >According to a recent exchange with Harald Koenig of XFree86 S3 driver >fame, this updated driver, and other goodies will not be available for >FreeBSD until they release 3.1.2 sometime in the next month or two. The expected release date for 3.1.2 is in a few weeks. David From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 30 23:34:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA04033 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 23:34:51 -0700 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA04027 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 23:34:50 -0700 Received: from cc.uq.oz.au by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au id <06976-0@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 16:34:44 +1000 Received: from netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id QAA08867 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 16:39:05 +1000 Received: by netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.8.1/DEVETIR-0.1) id GAA26426; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 06:36:07 GMT Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 06:36:07 GMT From: Stephen Hocking Message-Id: <199507010636.GAA26426@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.0.5 Boot Does not Recognise... Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >I have a Future Domain TMC-885M SCSI controller card and a Quantum P80 >hard drive. When I start up from the boot disk to install FreeBSD 2.0.5, >the PARTITION submenu item of the INSTALL menu does not recognise my FD >card. When I rebooted, and used the "-c" userconfig envocation, I did >not see my FD TMC-885M SCSI card listed as one of the standard hardware >types. Please mail me some suggestions of what to do now. > >Thanks. > >David Nowak >sfi@primenet.com or >djnowak@pop.com > I have one of these vile creations. You use the "sea" controller, which used to work under 2.0 (after a fashion). I had to turn off BLIND_TRANSFER to get it to work with a single drive, and #define SEANOMSGS 1 to get it to work OK with 2 drives. I don't believe the -current driver will work. It wedges during boot up with mine. If you tell me where you have the IRQ and memory address is, along with your other hardware addresses, I could create a kernel for you. Stephen From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 03:12:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA11439 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 03:12:47 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA11421 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 03:12:43 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA00951; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 12:12:40 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id MAA02955 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 12:12:38 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA00705 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 11:24:20 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199507010924.LAA00705@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: missing dict, ends make world To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 11:24:20 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <2045.804554933@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jul 1, 95 00:28:53 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 406 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Looking at the date on this message and several others over the last > few days, I have to ask: Are we experiencing a 5-7 day time-warp in > the mailing lists? I'm usually seeing the echo within less than 15 minutes these days. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 03:12:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA11478 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 03:12:59 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA11459 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 03:12:55 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA00957; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 12:12:52 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id MAA02962 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 12:12:52 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA00740 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 11:27:41 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199507010927.LAA00740@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: missing dict, ends make world To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 11:27:40 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <2045.804554933@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jul 1, 95 00:28:53 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 672 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Looking at the date on this message and several others over the last > few days, I have to ask: Are we experiencing a 5-7 day time-warp in > the mailing lists? Yup, now i know what you mean. There happened to be several messages that have apparently been deferred for a week or so. No idea why, and whether there's any correlation to the date of orignal posting. I'm under the impression that i've already seen all of them, so perhaps somebody did resend a whole batch of old messages. :-( -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 03:12:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA11482 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 03:12:59 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA11463 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 03:12:56 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA00961; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 12:12:53 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id MAA02965 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 12:12:52 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA00759 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 11:29:12 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199507010929.LAA00759@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: missing dict, ends make world To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 11:29:12 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <2045.804554933@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jul 1, 95 00:28:53 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 192 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk p.s.: all affected messages belong to -current. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 04:24:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA16177 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 04:24:23 -0700 Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA16168 ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 04:24:20 -0700 From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199507011124.EAA16168@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: What's the story with the FAQ? To: jfieber@grendel.csc.smith.edu (John Fieber) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 04:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Cc: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr, jkh@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199506301902.PAA20701@grendel.csc.smith.edu> from "John Fieber" at Jun 30, 95 03:02:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1367 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Gary Clark II writes: > > We need whomever is working the WWW site to either: > > 1. Update the version on the WEB page when the docs change -OR- > > 2. Give the FAQ Team access. > > > And BTW, the changes to the FAQ regarding the movement of stuff > to /usr/share/FAQ to /usr/share/FAQ/Text are somewhat misguided > since, for the most part, the stuff in /usr/share/FAQ is obsolete > and no longer maintained. CONTRIB.FreeBSD and MIRROR.SITES are > the exception. The references in the FAQ should be replaced by > links to the appropriate sections of the handbook. As of today, > you can make a url that jumps directly to a particular section of > the handbook. > > Shortly before 2.0.5, I asked if anyone would object if I zapped > the obsolete stuff and nobody responded... > > -john Hi, Not a problem. I'll go through this weekend and check and see what exactly needs changed and do so. Thats why I asked in CVS for people to check it. As soon as Ollivier and I get all the feedback, we need to get this thing on Usenet (Thanks to jmb@kryten for the news access) Gary -- Gary Clark II (N5VMF) | FreeBSD support and service gclarkii@FreeBSD.ORG | mail info@gbdata.com for information FreeBSD FAQ at ftp.FreeBSD.ORG in ~pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/share/FAQ/Text/FreeBSD.FAQ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 06:34:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA20001 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 06:34:37 -0700 Received: from mpp.com (mpp.Minn.Net [204.157.201.242]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA19995 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 06:34:34 -0700 Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mpp.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA10048 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 08:33:51 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard Message-Id: <199507011333.IAA10048@mpp.com> Subject: Mailing list problems? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 08:33:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1992 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In the past few days I've been receiving messages from the freebsd-* mailing lists that: 1) I've seen before. 2) That were originally sent nearly a week ago. The machine that receives my mail is up 24 hours a day, so it shouldn't be any type of delivery problem, especially since I most of my other freebsd-* mail is usually delivered within 5 - 30 minutes of when it hits freefall. Is anyone else having this problem? Here are some mail headers from a message I just received this morning that was originally sent at the start of the week: Received: from freefall.cdrom.com (freefall.cdrom.com [192.216.222.4]) by Legarto.Minn.Net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA18800 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 04:57:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA15933 ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 07:53:35 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA15866 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 07:52:51 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA15859 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 07:52:46 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id KAA02176; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:48:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:48:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: FBSD 2.xR: AIC7xxx driver vs. st() driver vs. tape drives To: Michael Smith cc: sheeme@corpcomm.net, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506261431.AAA16116@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Status: OR -- Mike Pritchard mpp@legarto.minn.net "Go that way. Really fast. If something gets in your way, turn" From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 06:57:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA20388 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 06:57:59 -0700 Received: from fathergoose.net6c.io.org (fathergoose.net6c.io.org [204.92.6.86]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA20381 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 06:57:56 -0700 Received: (from kwong@localhost) by fathergoose.net6c.io.org (8.6.11/8.6.10) id JAA00234 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 09:54:08 -0400 From: Ken Wong Message-Id: <199507011354.JAA00234@fathergoose.net6c.io.org> Subject: sio driver problem To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 09:54:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 700 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk greeting I just installed 2.0.5 Release and have 2 things to post here 1) I am not sure if someone is already discover this, found a bug in the serial card driver. in the sioopen function ( line 802 of sio.c ) a line if (!com->active_out) { it should be if (com->active_out) { 2) this is about the callin and callout problem: a getty is running on ttyd1. a call is make to a ppp provider then do a pppd /dev/cuaa1 57600 but the pppd complained: pppd[187]:ioctl(TIOCSCTTY) operation not permitted again this only happen when getty is running on same port. otherwise It works fine. any reply please cc to kwong@fathergoose.net6c.io.org since I might miss some of the hackers email. regards ken From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 07:23:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA20825 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 07:23:18 -0700 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA20819 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 07:23:16 -0700 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA00393; Sat, 1 Jul 95 08:17:25 -0600 Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA18703; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 08:21:32 -0600 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 08:21:32 -0600 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9507011421.AA18703@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> To: mpp@legarto.minn.net Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199507011333.IAA10048@mpp.com> (message from Mike Pritchard on Sat, 1 Jul 1995 08:33:51 -0500 (CDT)) Subject: Re: Mailing list problems? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Pritchard writes: Mike> In the past few days I've been receiving messages from the Mike> freebsd-* mailing lists that: 1) I've seen before. 2) That Mike> were originally sent nearly a week ago. Mike> Is anyone else having this problem? Absolutely, positively, definitely yes I am too: Return-Path: Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov by yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA24392; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 13:01:57 GMT Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA00194; Sat, 1 Jul 95 06:57:07 -0600 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA23061 ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:14:45 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA22968 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:14:20 -0700 Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA22962 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:14:18 -0700 Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.6.11/8.6.10) id MAA14952 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 12:14:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 12:14:10 -0500 From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199506261714.MAA14952@plains.nodak.edu> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Funny archie in "Linux Unleashed" Content-Length: 307 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 08:14:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA22130 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 08:14:06 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA22124 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 08:13:57 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA13954; Sun, 2 Jul 1995 01:09:37 +1000 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 01:09:37 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199507011509.BAA13954@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hackers@freebsd.org, kwong@fathergoose.net6c.io.org Subject: Re: sio driver problem Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >1) >I am not sure if someone is already discover this, found a bug in the >serial card driver. in the sioopen function ( line 802 of sio.c ) a line > if (!com->active_out) { >it should be > if (com->active_out) { if (!com->active_out) { is correct. The test succeeds if the callout port is not open (and the tty is open), i.e., when the callin port is open. >2) >this is about the callin and callout problem: a getty is running on >ttyd1. a call is make to a ppp provider then do a pppd /dev/cuaa1 57600 >but the pppd complained: >pppd[187]:ioctl(TIOCSCTTY) operation not permitted >again this only happen when getty is running on same port. otherwise >It works fine. Apparently the getty has opened ttyd1 and made it a controlling terminal. This is supposed to stop the open of cuaa1 from succeeding, but if you invert the test in (1) then the open works and something breaks a little later. ttyd1 should only be used for incoming calls. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 10:30:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA25944 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 10:30:17 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA25938 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 10:30:15 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA16114 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 13:28:54 -0400 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 13:28:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199507011728.NAA16114@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a router Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>So the problem is how to get BSD to handle packets faster. And I guess my >>question still is, why can't we move some of the packet-handling and routing >>directly into the driver where it is a few layers closer to the actual >>hardware. Not really off loading, but giving the packet-handling code a >>chunk of the CPU time (probably as much as it needs) w/o being able to be >>squeezed out by other processes and such. > The issue is not how to make BSD handle packets faster, but a question of priroities. Any optimization, say to improve local routing, will trade-off some performance elsewhere. When you add a filter, it improves one function but slows another. It seems that perhaps a good way to acheive this might be to build special-purpose drivers for direct interface-to-interface routing (which could be used instead of the regular driver when required) rather than to risk damaging the integrity of the op/sys architecture by implementing such hacks into the general drivers. db From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 10:42:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA26587 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 10:42:58 -0700 Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA26575 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 10:42:55 -0700 Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.144.4]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA14259; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 19:41:39 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider Received: (wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA16016; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 19:41:35 +0200 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 19:41:35 +0200 Message-Id: <199507011741.TAA16016@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> To: hackers@freebsd.org CC: joerg@sax.de Subject: Real UID in procfs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk A one line hack for implementation of real uid in procfs(5). Conflicts: all scripts/programs which read /procfs/*/status (I know only killall(1)) Patched /sys/miscfs/procfs/procfs_status.c and killall/killall.{1,pl} Wolfram --- 1.1 1995/07/01 14:57:47 +++ /sys/miscfs/procfs/procfs_status.c 1995/07/01 15:57:01 @@ -79,7 +79,10 @@ sid = sess->s_leader ? sess->s_leader->p_pid : 0; /* comm pid ppid pgid sid maj,min ctty,sldr start ut st wmsg uid groups ... */ - +/* ifdef PROCFS_RUID +comm pid ppid pgid sid maj,min ctty,sldr start ut st wmsg euid ruid groups ... + endif +*/ ps = psbuf; bcopy(p->p_comm, ps, MAXCOMLEN); ps[MAXCOMLEN] = '\0'; @@ -126,7 +129,13 @@ cr = p->p_ucred; +#if (!defined PROCFS_RUID) ps += sprintf(ps, " %ld %ld", cr->cr_uid, cr->cr_gid); +#else /* have ruid */ + ps += sprintf(ps, " %ld %ld %ld", + cr->cr_uid, p->p_cred->p_ruid, cr->cr_gid); +#endif /* PROCFS_RUID */ + for (i = 0; i < cr->cr_ngroups; i++) ps += sprintf(ps, ",%ld", cr->cr_groups[i]); ps += sprintf(ps, "\n"); --- 1.1 1995/07/01 15:52:44 +++ killall/killall.pl 1995/07/01 17:10:38 @@ -43,8 +43,12 @@ $match = 0; # 0 match exactly program name $show = 0; -$PROC_NAME = 0 + $[; -$PROC_EUID = 11 + $[; +# see /sys/*/procfs/procfs_status.c +# comm pid ppid pgid sid maj,min ctty,sldr start ut st wmsg \ +# euid ruid groups ... +$PROC_NAME = 0; +$PROC_EUID = 11; +$PROC_RUID = 12; sub usage { $! = 2; @@ -66,6 +70,7 @@ die "Maybe $procfs is not mounted\n" unless -e "$procfs/0/status"; opendir(PROCFS, "$procfs") || die "$procfs $!\n"; +print " PID EUID RUID COMMAND\n" if $debug > 1; foreach (sort{$a <=> $b} grep(/^[0-9]/, readdir(PROCFS))) { $status = "$procfs/$_/status"; @@ -76,13 +81,21 @@ open(STATUS, "$status") || next; # process maybe already terminated while() { @proc = split; - printf "%5d $proc[$PROC_NAME] $proc[$PROC_EUID]\n", $pid + + # real uid implemented? + $proc[$PROC_RUID] = 99999 if $proc[$PROC_RUID] !~ /^[0-9]+$/; + + printf "%5d %5d %5d %s\n", $pid, $proc[$PROC_EUID], $proc[$PROC_RUID], + $proc[$PROC_NAME] if $debug > 1; - if (($proc[$PROC_NAME] eq $program || + if (($proc[$PROC_NAME] eq $program || # test program name ($match && $proc[$PROC_NAME] =~ /$program/i) - ) && # test program name - ($proc[$PROC_EUID] eq $< || $< == 0)) { # test uid + ) && + ($proc[$PROC_EUID] == $< || # test effective uid + $proc[$PROC_RUID] == $< || # test real uid + $< == 0)) # root + { push(@kill, "$pid"); } } --- 1.1 1995/07/01 15:52:44 +++ killall/killall.1 1995/07/01 16:48:35 @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ printed, or a message indicating that no matching processes have been found. If the option .Fl d -has been specified at least twice, the effective UID, PID, and name +has been specified at least twice, the PID, effective UID, real +UID, and name of all processes found in .Xr procfs 5 will be listed in addition. @@ -107,6 +108,7 @@ options. .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr kill 1 , +.Xr ps 1 , .Xr perl 1 , .Xr procfs 5 . .Sh HISTORY @@ -120,8 +122,12 @@ page has been written by .if n Joerg Wunsch. .if t J\(:org Wunsch. + + .Sh BUGS -Due to limitations in the current implementation of +The following bug is obsolete since FreeBSD 2.2 . + +Due to limitations in the implementation of .Xr procfs 5 , it is only possible to figure out the effective UID of a process. Hence it is impossible to find processes that run setuid, thus a From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 12:08:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA28683 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 12:08:11 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA28677 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 12:08:08 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA08908; Sat, 1 Jul 95 13:01:14 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9507011901.AA08908@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 1 Jul 95 13:01:13 MDT In-Reply-To: <199506252235.AAA20083@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 26, 95 00:35:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Yeah. Nothing that can't be overwritten should be in /etc. > > > > The sysconfig stuf should go in /var. /var is per machine. > > Totally disagreed. > > /var is basically crap. /var/spool and /var/crash come to mind. > Nobody is really going to even backup that crap. Our current > filesystem layout allows to go _all_ configuration information from > /etc to fit onto a single standard floppy. Var is per machine VARiable information. The configuration of a machine is per machine variable information. Share is sharable architecture independant data. Usr is sharable architecture dependent data. Root is sharable architecture dependent data. Th /etc file contents that you are backing up ar *not* configuration files. You *DON'T* make changes to rc.* scripts to configure a machine in a data driven environment. That's the beauty of a data-driven environment: you just blow everything by selected data files. In terms of a shared / (and therefore a shared /etc) in a diskless or a dataless environment, you would like to place NIS reference lines in the /etc/passwd and the /etc/hosts and the /etc/hosts.lpd and the /etc/groups file and be done with it. Non-identical mount configurations mean use the automounter *or* move the mount table over to a writeable area. The same is true for local configuration files for, for instance, the configuration data which tells a machine its name or whatever information is local to the machine. Ideally, a diskless or dataless machine gets it IP address, etc, via DHCP anyway. > I cannot see how sysconfig would fit into ``log, temporary, transient > and spool'' files. You could consider sysconfig a "log of the desired machine state". The heir(7) man page is at odds with the FSSTND document that the core group is close to signing up for anyway, and isn't a good reference. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 12:21:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA29144 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 12:21:16 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA29138 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 12:21:14 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA09677; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 21:21:11 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA05931 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 21:21:10 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA04101 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 21:19:52 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199507011919.VAA04101@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 21:19:52 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9507011901.AA08908@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Jul 1, 95 01:01:13 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 848 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Terry Lambert wrote: > > Th /etc file contents that you are backing up ar *not* configuration > files. You *DON'T* make changes to rc.* scripts to configure a machine > in a data driven environment. That's the beauty of a data-driven > environment: you just blow everything by selected data files. There is quite more system configuration stuff in /etc. Consider /etc/namedb, /etc/uucp, /etc/slip and /etc/uucp. All of them are site-specific. I've once been working with Data General machines, they have been specialized to be diskless bootable. Nevertheless, they considered /etc to be machine-dependant. (But they've made /bin a symlink to /usr/bin. I'm not sure _we_ want this, however.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 12:30:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA29352 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 12:30:26 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA29345 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 12:30:25 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA09407; Sat, 1 Jul 95 13:23:31 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9507011923.AA09407@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: missing dict, ends make world To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Jul 95 13:23:31 MDT In-Reply-To: <199507010924.LAA00705@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jul 1, 95 11:24:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > Looking at the date on this message and several others over the last > > few days, I have to ask: Are we experiencing a 5-7 day time-warp in > > the mailing lists? > > I'm usually seeing the echo within less than 15 minutes these days. I have been time-warped as many as 4 days for some messages for the last two days. One message I responded to was sent to questions@freebsd.org and to terry@cs.weber.edu. It arrived the day it was sent on the direct address, and I responded to it again (not recognizing it as the same message) when it came in *5 days* later via questions. There is some serious lag. I also thing it finally gave up on some address somewhere before me and dumped a lot of mail going back in time. The main offender seems to be questions. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 12:50:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA29698 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 12:50:58 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA29692 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 12:50:56 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA10785; Sat, 1 Jul 95 13:44:03 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9507011944.AA10785@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 1 Jul 95 13:44:02 MDT In-Reply-To: <199507011919.VAA04101@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jul 1, 95 09:19:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > As Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > Th /etc file contents that you are backing up ar *not* configuration > > files. You *DON'T* make changes to rc.* scripts to configure a machine > > in a data driven environment. That's the beauty of a data-driven > > environment: you just blow everything by selected data files. > > There is quite more system configuration stuff in /etc. Consider > /etc/namedb, /etc/uucp, /etc/slip and /etc/uucp. All of them are > site-specific. The /etc/namedb stuff on most systems I've seen goes in /var/named. The uucp stuff is largely relocatable (and not generally applicable to a diskless/dataless environment anyway -- neither are any of the others, for that matter). And you must really like uucp to use it twice as an example. 8-). > I've once been working with Data General machines, they have been > specialized to be diskless bootable. Nevertheless, they considered > /etc to be machine-dependant. (But they've made /bin a symlink to > /usr/bin. I'm not sure _we_ want this, however.) Probably not; I believe the difference in /usr/bin and /bin on Sun systems relates to "miniroot" installation (or reinstallation) of the / directory and contents. So you could argue it either way, depending on which administrative options you wanted. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 13:24:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA00696 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 13:24:42 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA00689 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 13:24:37 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA25970 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 15:15:00 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA24515; 1 Jul 95 15:14:21 CDT (Sat) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id PAA24512; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 15:14:21 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199507012014.PAA24512@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: Announcing 2.0.5-950622-SNAP To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 15:14:20 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9507011944.AA10785@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Jul 1, 95 01:44:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 971 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk This whoole thing is silly, It's very hard to build a completely data driven environment, at least with the BSD model. System V is a lot easier... you just put your init/getty stuff in /etc/conf/init.d, and your startup scripts in /etc/rc*.d/whatever. When you have a new installation it updates the standard scripts, and /etc/conf/init.d/base, and your custom stuff stays sane... Now this can fit well with Terry's /var ideas. I think there needs to be a pretty consistent location for all this stuff. /etc/local.rc -> /var/conf/rc.d/* /etc/ttys -> /var/conf/init.d/* /etc/uucp/* -> /var/conf/uucp.d/* /var/cron/* -> /var/conf/cron.d/* /etc/*.conf -> /var/conf/*.conf /etc/daily -> /var/conf/cron.d/daily And so on... The trick is, the *standard* distribution would come with all these files and directories empty. I think I might try setting my 1.1.5 system up this way and see how much of the config stuff can be moved out of /etc before I upgrade... From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 13:44:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA01349 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 13:44:14 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA01342 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 13:44:11 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA16995; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 16:42:45 -0400 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 16:42:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199507012042.QAA16995@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: Re: Watchdog/Hard Reboot for BSD UN*X Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Andrey A. Chernov writes.... >>The ET/WDT is an ISA card with a hardware timer that wires directly into >>the reset switch on the pc and can reset the PC just as if you pressed the >>reset button. The watchdog timer can detect system hangs in seconds instead >>of hours. > >The question is: what happens for soft reboot? >I.e. if program just use reboot() syscall? >Bad assumption is: system reboots, watchdog don't receive his >tics anymore and goes to reboot timeout, system start to load, >and in the middle of system loading watchdog issue reset, >so system boots again... >-- some rather simple remedies off the top of my head.... 1) redefine the reboot function to be a halt (in which case the timer will reboot the system once it is halted) 2) Set the timer for a value that is larger than the amount of time it takes to reboot, and then disable/re-enable the timer from your startup script. db From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 14:11:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA02184 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 14:11:41 -0700 Received: from wdl1.wdl.loral.com (wdl1.wdl.loral.com [137.249.32.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA02178 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 14:11:39 -0700 Received: from miles.sso.loral.com (miles.wdl.loral.com) by wdl1.wdl.loral.com (5.x/WDL-2.4-1.0) id AA14037; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 14:11:07 -0700 Received: by miles.sso.loral.com (4.1/SSO-SUN-2.04) id AA11521; Sat, 1 Jul 95 17:11:37 EDT Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 17:11:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Toren X-Sender: rpt@miles To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 2.0.5 commit date ?? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I am curious about the date and time that the 2.0.5R image was stripped out and committed for the new 2.0.5R CD. I have been archiving all the 'cvs' mail since Jan 95 as a reference that I can look at if I have a problem. I figure that any commits to the tree after that Date/Time are potential problems that I may encounter with the system, even before the CD arrives. It never hurts to be prepared. ==================================================== Rip Toren | The bad news is that C++ is not an object-oriented | rpt@miles.sso.loral.com | programming language. .... The good news is that | | C++ supports object-oriented programming. | | C++ Programming & Fundamental Concepts | | by Anderson & Heinze | ==================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 14:55:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA03493 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 14:55:06 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA03487 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 14:55:05 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA17314 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 17:53:43 -0400 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 17:53:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199507012153.RAA17314@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: 3c509 Weirdness Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk This is very strange..... PING 129.45.17.8 (129.45.17.8): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 129.45.17.8: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=484.671 ms 64 bytes from 129.45.17.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=480.340 ms 64 bytes from 129.45.17.8: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=470.396 ms 64 bytes from 129.45.17.8: icmp_seq=3 ttl=255 time=460.421 ms 64 bytes from 129.45.17.8: icmp_seq=4 ttl=255 time=450.352 ms From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 15:07:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA03835 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 15:07:02 -0700 Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com [16.1.0.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA03829 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 15:07:01 -0700 Received: from muggsy.lkg.dec.com by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA12216; Sat, 1 Jul 95 15:02:57 -0700 Received: from whydos.lkg.dec.com by muggsy.lkg.dec.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) with SMTP id AA27429; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 18:02:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whydos.lkg.dec.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA09932 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 18:03:48 GMT Message-Id: <199507011803.SAA09932@whydos.lkg.dec.com> X-Authentication-Warning: whydos.lkg.dec.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Best way to diagnose system lockups? X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5omega 10/6/94 Date: Sat, 01 Jul 1995 18:03:48 +0000 From: Matt Thomas Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to debug why FreeBSD lockups when using a 4 port Ethernet controller. (it's a PCI board with 4 DC21040's sitting behind a DC21050 PCI-PCI bridge; it's UTP only). Note that UnixWare 2.0 works fine (I transferred many gigabytes over one of the bridged ports without a problem) with the board which leads me to believe this may be a problem with FreeBSD and not with the hardware. DDB is built into the kernel. I've modified kern_clock.c to add a watchdog into hardclock/softclock (if softclock is not called at least every 60 seconds, hardclock will force a panic; this is a standard technique that I've used over the years quite effectively). When the system locks up, neither DDB (via CTRL/ALT/ESC) nor hardclock (no watchdog panic fires) is called. The only way back is reset which of course doesn't result in any useful information. (damn it! I like machines with halt buttons (like a VAX or an Alpha). Sigh) (stepping through the system with DDB is not really effective which I don't know where the system is hanging; I've tried the obvious places in my driver). Getting an ICE or a bus monitor is impossible. The best guess is that my driver is triggering a bug somewhere else in FreeBSD. Any ideas on how to approach this? Matt Thomas Internet: matt@lkg.dec.com U*X Networking WWW URL: http://ftp.dec.com/%7Ethomas/ Digital Equipment Corporation Disclaimer: This message reflects my Littleton, MA own warped views, etc. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 15:10:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA04020 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 15:10:26 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA04012 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 15:10:23 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA17359 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 18:09:01 -0400 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 18:09:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199507012209.SAA17359@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: 3c509 Weirdness - again Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk This is very strange..... PING 129.45.17.8 (129.45.17.8): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 129.45.17.8: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=484.671 ms 64 bytes from 129.45.17.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=480.340 ms 64 bytes from 129.45.17.8: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=470.396 ms 64 bytes from 129.45.17.8: icmp_seq=3 ttl=255 time=460.421 ms 64 bytes from 129.45.17.8: icmp_seq=4 ttl=255 time=450.352 ms ---> 64 bytes from 129.45.17.8: icmp_seq=23 ttl=255 time=260.326 ms 64 bytes from 129.45.17.8: icmp_seq=24 ttl=255 time=250.435 ms This countdown continues until it gets to 10ms and then goes back up to 990ms. Same thing when pinging this machine from any other host. I'm also getting 2.8kb FTP transfer times on local ethernet. This only happens on a VIP PCI/ISA 486 MB (DX2-80). The same card on a different DX2-80 MB works fine. I have also run NE2000, NE2000VLB and SMC PCI Ethernet cards on this MB and all work as expected with ping times of 1.0 to 1.2ms. Any Ideas? dennis From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 16:14:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA07054 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 16:14:32 -0700 Received: from grilled.cs.wisc.edu (grilled.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.66.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA07048 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 16:14:30 -0700 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 95 18:14:29 -0500 From: jcargill@cs.wisc.edu (Jonathan Cargille) Message-Id: <9507012314.AA11550@grilled.cs.wisc.edu> Received: by grilled.cs.wisc.edu; Sat, 1 Jul 95 18:14:29 -0500 To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: forwarded message from Ron Feigen Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I got the following email from someone running FreeBSD-2.0; can someone fill Ron and I in on how using an IDE disk in LBA mode interacts with mounting it under FreeBSD-2.0? ------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) ------- From: ronf1@ix.netcom.com (Ron Feigen) To: jcargill@lucy.cs.wisc.edu One more item regarding the previous e-mail: If there is a way I could keep my DOS/Win drive in LBA mode and still mount it with FreeBSD that would be great. I would love to have LBA on the FreeBSD disk but I am sure that is not possible Thanks again, I'm looking forward to your response! Ron Feigen ------- end ------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 16:55:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA07615 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 16:55:05 -0700 Received: from feephi.phofarm.com (feephi.phofarm.com [204.242.60.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA07609 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 16:55:04 -0700 Received: (from dzerkel@localhost) by feephi.phofarm.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA20283 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 19:52:14 -0400 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 19:52:14 -0400 From: "Danny J. Zerkel" Message-Id: <199507012352.TAA20283@feephi.phofarm.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Configuration file location Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Trying to move system configuration files out of /etc is not a good idea. Especially into /var. Next thing you know, someone will want to put fstab in /var... /var is intended for files which change frequently, like log files (thus there is a /var/adm). It is not for configuration (which shouldn't change particularly frequently). Moving configuration files out of /etc will also break far to many books, manuals and administration guides for UNIX (and UNIX-like systems). It is not worth making FreeBSD less accessible to newbies. /etc/sysconfig seems right on target so far. But, there will always be a need for rc.local... ------------------------------------------------------------ Danny J. Zerkel Photon Farmers http:/www.phofarm.com/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 18:03:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA09583 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 18:03:14 -0700 Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA09577 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 18:03:12 -0700 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA03837; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 18:03:05 -0700 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 18:03:05 -0700 Message-Id: <199507020103.SAA03837@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: dennis@et.htp.com CC: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199507012209.SAA17359@mail.htp.com> (dennis@et.htp.com) Subject: Re: 3c509 Weirdness - again From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk * This countdown continues until it gets to 10ms and then goes back up to * 990ms. Same thing when pinging this machine from any other host. Check your board settings and make sure the IRQ agrees with the one in the kernel. I've seen >1ms ping times when the IRQ was different but the probe succeeded anyway. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 18:43:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA10537 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 18:43:39 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA10531 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 18:43:37 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA08530; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 18:42:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199507020142.SAA08530@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: Matt Thomas cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best way to diagnose system lockups? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 01 Jul 1995 18:03:48 -0000." <199507011803.SAA09932@whydos.lkg.dec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 01 Jul 1995 18:42:12 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> Matt Thomas said: > > I'm trying to debug why FreeBSD lockups when using a 4 port Ethernet > controller. (it's a PCI board with 4 DC21040's sitting behind a DC21050 > PCI-PCI bridge; it's UTP only). Have you considered tcpdump ? Perhaps snooping on the ether traffic from another machine may help. A circular trace buffer in your driver so that if the system locks up and you can get in you can find out what where the last few operations from your driver. Not sure if this matters but I heard from Best.com that their ftp site is or was locking up once a day so it may not be your driver. Regards, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 19:09:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA11072 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 19:09:47 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA11066 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 19:09:44 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA08744 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 19:09:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199507020209.TAA08744@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: virtual ip connection? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 01 Jul 1995 19:09:38 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, My ISDN comes with a wonderful software feature it will only respond to one mac address or hostname. My second PC ocassionally needs access to the internet so I am wondering if there is a some sort of program that will establish a virtual connection between my system and the second PC. I guess what I am looking for is something similar to the linux utility "term". Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 19:36:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA11972 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 19:36:13 -0700 Received: from sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu [130.245.1.47]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA11966 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 19:36:06 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id WAA06233 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 22:34:35 -0400 Received: (from gene@localhost) by starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA23385; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 08:24:35 -0400 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 08:24:35 -0400 From: Gene Stark Message-Id: <199507011224.IAA23385@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of Mon, 26 Jun 1995 01:01:14 +0100 Subject: Well, I'm stumped.. [ij-ppp] References: <3t2e6l$kk9@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Jordan writes: >Tonite, after adding a whole batch of afilters and dfilters (as per suggestion) >I went back to auto mode and went out to dinner after reading my mail. >Here's what I found in my ppp log when I came back: Your ppp.conf looks the same as mine except that I have "set timeout 300" near the beginning whereas you have "set timeout 60" near the end. Have you watched the modem lights (if any) to check for telltale periodic stuff getting send when the line is supposed to be idle? Are you getting any sort of "keepalive" packets from your provider? The only further suggestion I can make is to run tcpdump on the interface and try to find out what you are getting or sending that is holding open the line. On my system (with the filters you now have), ppp drops the line religiously after five minutes go by. - Gene From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 19:38:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA12146 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 19:38:45 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA12133 ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 19:38:33 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id WAA09069; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 22:32:04 -0400 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 22:32:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: missing dict, ends make world To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Joerg Wunsch , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <2045.804554933@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, 1 Jul 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Looking at the date on this message and several others over the last > few days, I have to ask: Are we experiencing a 5-7 day time-warp in > the mailing lists? I just saw a message from Poul-Henning come flying > across and he's been off the air for many days now! > > Yes, yes, I'm supposed to be flying out of here in 5 hours.. I'll > go back to work now.. :) freefall is inundated with bogus mail addresses--stuff bouncing right and left. over 2000 in the last 24 hours. in addition, we deleted a number of all mail {qd}f* files and since then some messages have been seriously delayed, other move right thur the system. end of school year is hitting us hard. give me a yell when you get back to freefall. Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 19:57:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA12859 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 19:57:06 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA12850 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 19:57:01 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id WAA09601; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 22:50:39 -0400 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 22:50:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: The Time Wrap--rocky frankenfurter was here? To: hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk freefall has just weathered a spate of bouncing mail messages--over 2000 in the last 24 hours. 1000-1500 other days this week. the end of the school year has not been kind to us. over 7000 messages queued for nearly two weeks now. the good news: the queue is now down to >1200 messages. service should be improving now. jmb ps wanted dead or alive: the owner of this mail alias: no, he aint the sole cause, but i have rounded up nearly all the rest of the varmits already....this one is still in the bush. Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 21:14:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA15063 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 21:14:19 -0700 Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.191.196.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA15037 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 21:14:06 -0700 Received: (from tom@localhost) by misery.sdf.com (8.7.Beta.7/8.7.Beta.7) id VAA02878; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 21:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 21:14:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: "Rashid Karimov." cc: Charles Henrich , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Random Lockups In-Reply-To: <199506271659.MAA13692@haven.ios.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 27 Jun 1995, Rashid Karimov. wrote: > > On one of our 486's and now my Micron, the system will lock up solid causing > > a hard reboot in the 486 case. In the P100 case the system has to be reset > > by the button. Has anyone else experienced this? This has happened quite > > frequently with the 2.0.5R, never with the 0210-SNAP or 04-SNAP > ... > If any1 here thinks about switching to 205 to run the > server - DO NOT DO IT ! The system is not stable :( Alas :( I'd have to disagree with that. I supped current on 5-29 which was just before 2.0.5A was rolled, only some fixes to NFS were added to 2.0.5R. Anyways, system uptime is now 26 days. Before that it was up about two weeks before it was interrupted by a power failure. System is running e-mail and some usenet. You also seem to forget that ftp.cdrom.com runs FreeBSD. Or don't you consider that a server? > Nodoby apparently is working on those mysterious lock-ups. > What's the position of the chief architect - Jordan ? The core team is not a babysitting service. Reported bugs are worked on. > Should we really be concerned about bleeding edge instead > of robustness ??? 1% enhancements and not the way to smoothly > upgrade the system with new version ? How can FreeBSD get > its share of market w/o it ? Who will be willing to run > the system but computer geeks ? This isn't a competition. If you see a need, then step up with a solution. > It's clear that FreeBSD outbits Linux as server. But w/o > non-working QUOTAs and constant lock-ups in 205 who will > use it ? > It's also clear it's constantly loosing the the workstation > market - Linux is everywhere ... The books - 4 or 5 of > them are out there already .. the support for the latest > video-cards... Support for latest video cards? FreeBSD doesn't support _any_ video cards. We rely on XFree86 for that, which is exactly what Linux uses too. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 21:54:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA15784 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 21:54:39 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA15772 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 21:54:29 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA32661; Sun, 2 Jul 1995 14:50:28 +1000 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 14:50:28 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199507020450.OAA32661@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hackers@freebsd.org, matt@lkg.dec.com Subject: Re: Best way to diagnose system lockups? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >When the system locks up, neither DDB (via CTRL/ALT/ESC) nor hardclock >(no watchdog panic fires) is called. The only way back is reset which >of course doesn't result in any useful information. (damn it! I like >machines with halt buttons (like a VAX or an Alpha). Sigh) I Ctrl-Alt-Esc doesn't work, then the system must be wedged at spltty or splclock (unfortunately splimp is higher than spltty if slip or ppp is configured, so wedging at splimp makes it difficult to enter ddb). I usually remove the keyboard bit (1<<1) from tty_imask to debug wedging at spltty. This is perfectly safe if you don't touch the keyboard and fairly safe (perhaps perfectly safe) even if you do (the keyboard intr handler sets the bit although spltty() doesn't). Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 22:13:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA16058 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 22:13:10 -0700 Received: from vnet.net (root@elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA16050 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 22:13:09 -0700 Received: from jazzmin.vnet.net by vnet.net with SMTP id AA04966 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 2 Jul 1995 00:13:01 -0500 Received: (cmadison@localhost) by jazzmin.vnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA28422; Sun, 2 Jul 1995 00:12:52 -0500 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 00:12:42 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Madison To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Time Wrap--rocky frankenfurter was here? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 1 Jul 1995, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > ps wanted dead or alive: the owner of this mail alias: > > Ummmm..... Sorry my IP killed my account I guess. They went with dynamic ip addressing and didn't allow terminal login via dial up. One day the statics worked the next they didn't with no warning (not to mention that ppp accounts couldn't connect at all) Couldn't do much of anything except find a new provider. Besides I thought I was mysteriously unsubscribed again since I didn't recieve anything from hackers in over a month?!?! This happened a couple of times when a hacker(s?) was loose on the system and since the isp was having major problems I never resubscribed. I supposed, apparently wrongly, that I was off the mailing list. I'm now on a stable isp and will not have similiar problems. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 22:34:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA16358 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 22:34:22 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA16349 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 22:34:02 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA01236; Sun, 2 Jul 1995 15:33:37 +1000 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 15:33:37 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199507020533.PAA01236@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, jcargill@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Re: forwarded message from Ron Feigen Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I got the following email from someone running FreeBSD-2.0; can >someone fill Ron and I in on how using an IDE disk in LBA mode >interacts with mounting it under FreeBSD-2.0? >... >If there is a way I could keep my DOS/Win drive in LBA mode >and still mount it with FreeBSD that would be great. I >would love to have LBA on the FreeBSD disk but I am sure that is >not possible Under FreeBSD-2.0, the BIOS geometry must have <= 16 heads. This is normally not the case if LBA mode is used so you can't use LBA mode under FreeBSD-2.0. Don't use FreeBSD-2.0. Under FreeBSD-2.0.5., there is no restriction on the BIOS geometry. FreeBSD-2.0.5 neither knows nor needs to know about LBA mode. It needs the drive to report a default geometry with <= 16 heads. The default geometry is the one printed in the boot messages. At least some drives that use LBA mode and > 16 heads under the BIOS report a suitable default geometry with <= 16 heads so that they work under FreeBSD. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 22:47:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA16912 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 22:47:16 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA16904 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 22:47:14 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id BAA16186; Sun, 2 Jul 1995 01:40:41 -0400 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 01:40:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: The Time Wrap--rocky frankenfurter was here? To: Chris Madison cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Jul 1995, Chris Madison wrote: okay....your taken care of now. one to go who is atari ??? >From Mailer-Daemon@cybernetics.net Sat Jul 1 21:43:25 1995 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 95 00:42:03 EDT From: Mailer-Daemon@cybernetics.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: User unknown To: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 421 atari: Host atari is down 550 Postmaster... User unknown > On Sun, 2 Jul 1995, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > > > okay....so now we need to get you unsubscribed. what was your > > account name there? > > > > thanks for the quick return. > > > cmadison@server0.cybernetics.net > Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 1 23:01:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA17864 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 23:01:46 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA17856 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 23:01:43 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id BAA16488; Sun, 2 Jul 1995 01:55:18 -0400 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 01:55:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: SMC ethernet codes To: hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk can someone verify that 00:c0:4f:de:b3:a9 belongs to SMC? Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346