From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 21 03:02:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA11939 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 03:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA11934 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 03:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA18538; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 20:00:16 +1000 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 20:00:16 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199604211000.UAA18538@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, jkh@time.cdrom.com Subject: Re: A request about comments in programs Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [Redirected to -chat from -core] >> I think this meaning is netspeak. All my (old) dictionaries say that >> it means "arguable, debatable, open to debate, etc". >That's actually pretty interesting - I've never heard it used in that >way. This should probably be redirected to -chat, but I'd still be >curious if any of the other core members here have heard "moot" used >in the manner you've seen it defined! I checked some more (small, old) dictionaries. The above meaning survives translations: Putnam's Contemporary French Dictionary (copyright 1969 by Collins, 1972 by Putnam, Berkeley Medallion edition 1976): moot a discutable discutable a debatable, disputable Collins German-English English-German Dictionary (copyright 1953 by Collins, reprinted 1963): Moot-point n. strittiger Punkt Strittig a. in dispute Collins seems to agree with itself :-). Bruce From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 21 05:59:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA17039 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 05:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [204.214.4.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA17034 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 05:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from max7-137.HiWAAY.net by fly.HiWAAY.net; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/21Sep95-1003PM) id AA22640; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 07:58:50 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 07:58:57 -0500 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: dkelly@hiwaay.net (David Kelly) Subject: PowerMac *BSD Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 18:27:17 -0400 >From: MacWay@aol.com >To: macway@solutions.apple.com >Subject: !! Linux and Macintosh OpenMac List >Message-ID: <960419182716_517742583@emout17.mail.aol.com> > >This is an action item from: > > (Koryn Grant) > >Here's another way to show support for Apple and the Macintosh: if you >know anyone who would consider buying a Mac if it could run Linux as well >as the MacOS, get them to add their name to the OpenMac list. People at >Apple have expressed interest in this and want to know the outcome. >Instructions can be found at > > > > >________________ >Do you believe in Macintosh? Learn how to help the Macintosh cause by >subscribing to EvangeList, Guy Kawasaki's (un)official Apple listserver >of good news about Apple, Macintosh, and third-party developers. To >subscribe to EvangeList, send an email to . > >"We shall overcome. First, we survive." Dick Theriault Guy Kawasaki seems to love popular uprisings that upset the status quo. So I suggest him entertain him by visiting the above site and saying that *BSD stands a better chance of inspiring us to buy PowerMac hardware than Linux. But don't tell them that if you don't mean it. -- David Kelly N4HHE, n4hhe@amsat.org, dkelly@hiwaay.net ============================================================= To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. - Thomas Edison From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 21 07:55:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA21591 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 07:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA21583 Sun, 21 Apr 1996 07:55:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199604211455.HAA21583@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: A request about comments in programs To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 07:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199604211000.UAA18538@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Apr 21, 96 08:00:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk moot is indeed debatable or open to dispute, but that is a limiting modifier not an encompassing one. a moot point is one that has no practical significance, but we can argue about it ;) how many angels did you say? on which pinhead? wish that i had an OED here to consult. Bruce Evans wrote: > > [Redirected to -chat from -core] > > >> I think this meaning is netspeak. All my (old) dictionaries say that > >> it means "arguable, debatable, open to debate, etc". > > >That's actually pretty interesting - I've never heard it used in that > >way. This should probably be redirected to -chat, but I'd still be > >curious if any of the other core members here have heard "moot" used > >in the manner you've seen it defined! > > I checked some more (small, old) dictionaries. The above meaning survives > translations: > > Putnam's Contemporary French Dictionary (copyright 1969 by Collins, 1972 by > Putnam, Berkeley Medallion edition 1976): > moot a discutable > discutable a debatable, disputable > > Collins German-English English-German Dictionary (copyright 1953 by Collins, > reprinted 1963): > Moot-point n. strittiger Punkt > Strittig a. in dispute > > Collins seems to agree with itself :-). > > Bruce > From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 21 10:52:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA27603 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 10:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27574 Sun, 21 Apr 1996 10:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id TAA23238; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 19:51:54 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id TAA29500; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 19:51:54 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA14500; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 19:45:00 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604211745.TAA14500@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Free pizza & beer for GCC Guru in or near Berlin To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 19:44:59 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: jhs@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199604191957.VAA03006@vector.jhs.no_domain> from "Julian H. Stacey" at Apr 19, 96 09:57:27 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Reference: > > From: J Wunsch > > > > p.s.: Julian, your address displayed as: > > > > jhs@vector.jhs.no_domain (Julian Stacey jhs@freebsd.org) > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Yes because, Objected. You've got a valid mail account (jhs@freebsd.org), so please, make your Reply-To field point to this, so that the R)eply function of a mailer will work. I don't care whether your From: line looks like jhs@dyna1234.some.do.main.org, as long as the Reply-To is set correctly. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 21 10:52:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA27670 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 10:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27655 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 10:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id TAA23234; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 19:51:53 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id TAA29499; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 19:51:52 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA14456; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 19:37:27 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604211737.TAA14456@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: A request about comments in programs To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 19:37:26 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, jkh@time.cdrom.com Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199604211000.UAA18538@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Apr 21, 96 08:00:16 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Bruce Evans wrote: > Collins German-English English-German Dictionary (copyright 1953 by Collins, > reprinted 1963): > Moot-point n. strittiger Punkt > Strittig a. in dispute My dictionary (abt. 5...10 years old) remaps ``moot point'' to ``point at issue'' after one full cycle. ;) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 22 00:28:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA16904 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 00:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from csmd.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (csmd.cs.uni-magdeburg.de [141.44.22.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA16898 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 00:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604220728.AAA16898@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: from csmd49.cs.uni-magdeburg.de by csmd.cs.uni-magdeburg.de with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA04729; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 09:32:17 +0200 Received: by csmd49.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA098468337; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 09:32:17 +0200 From: Roland Jesse Subject: Re: How's that look for an uptime? To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 09:32:17 +0200 (MESZ) In-Reply-To: from "Michael Elbel" at Apr 19, 96 04:41:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME6] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk jesse@marvin:~>uname -a FreeBSD marvin 2.1.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE #0: Wed Nov 22 14:02:22 1995 root@marvin.cs.uni-magdeburg.de:/usr/src/sys/compile/MARVIN i386 jesse@marvin:~>uptime 8:24AM up 102 days, 5:31, 3 users, load averages: 0.43, 0.21, 0.12 jesse@marvin:~> Well, but this machine idles most time of the day. It is only an experimental machine for showing how things work at (Free)BSD. There are only three or four persons (me included ;) who work with it. Roland -- "Who the hell is General Failure?" - "And why is he reading my harddisk?" -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Roland (rj,-) Jesse, | | stud.rer.nat. et phil. http://www.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~jesse/ | +------ pgp public key via keyserver or mail with subject ##key ------+ From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 22 00:45:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA17676 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 00:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw.muc.ditec.de (gw.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA17669 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 00:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tartufo.muc.ditec.de (tartufo.muc.ditec.de [134.98.18.2]) by gw.muc.ditec.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA01843; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 09:44:12 +0200 Received: by tartufo.muc.ditec.de (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.16.1 #16.39) id ; Mon, 22 Apr 96 09:47 MSZ Message-Id: From: me@tartufo.muc.ditec.de (Michael Elbel) Subject: Re: How's that look for an uptime? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 09:47:00 +0200 (MSZ) Cc: me@tartufo.muc.ditec.de, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20168.829933220@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Apr 19, 96 10:00:20 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > (602) uptime > > 4:36PM up 101 days, 2:37, 5 users, load averages: 0.02, 0.02, 0.00 > > [...] > > > > I don't think I've seen uptimes that long on many other systems I've been > > on. > > Cool - why not post your hardware configuration since that seems to be > as much a function of stability as the OS running on it? :-) > Gigabyte AT586 (Triton) MB, 64MB RAM, Adaptec 2940, Quantum Atlas 4 GB, SMC Elite Ultra. Michael -- Michael Elbel, DITEC, Muenchen, Germany - me@muc.ditec.de Fermentation fault (coors dumped) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 23 05:24:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA28125 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 05:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-42-135.ut.nl.ibm.net [139.92.42.135]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA28054 Tue, 23 Apr 1996 05:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA00533; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 14:52:31 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199604221252.OAA00533@vector.jhs.no_domain> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.jhs.no_domain: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans), jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A request about comments in programs From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany Phone: +49.89.268616 Fax: +49.89.2608126 (pending modem change) Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Mailer: EXMH version 1.6.5 95 12 11, PGP available In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 21 Apr 1996 07:55:08 PDT." <199604211455.HAA21583@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 14:52:30 +0200 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Reference: > From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" > > moot is indeed debatable or open to dispute, but that is a limiting > modifier not an encompassing one. a moot point is one that has no > practical significance, but we can argue about it ;) > > wish that i had an OED here to consult. I have a Penguin, 85/86 edition (& girlfriend a Websters, ( but I'm English so can't read that ;-)) 3 definitions: n 1 An early English assembly to decide points of community and political interest 2 a mock court in which law students argue hypothetical cases v to put forward for discussion adj open to question;debatable - usu in moot point Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 23 05:24:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA28150 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 05:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-42-135.ut.nl.ibm.net [139.92.42.135]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA28136 Tue, 23 Apr 1996 05:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA00488; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 14:34:59 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199604221234.OAA00488@vector.jhs.no_domain> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.jhs.no_domain: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free pizza & beer for GCC Guru in or near Berlin From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany Phone: +49.89.268616 Fax: +49.89.2608126 (pending modem change) Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Mailer: EXMH version 1.6.5 95 12 11, PGP available In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 21 Apr 1996 19:44:59 +0200." <199604211745.TAA14500@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 14:34:58 +0200 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Reference: > From: J Wunsch > Reply-to: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) > Subject: Re: Free pizza & beer for GCC Guru in or near Berlin > Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 19:44:59 +0200 (MET DST) > Message-id: <199604211745.TAA14500@uriah.heep.sax.de> > > As Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > Reference: > > > From: J Wunsch > > > > > > p.s.: Julian, your address displayed as: > > > > > > jhs@vector.jhs.no_domain (Julian Stacey jhs@freebsd.org) > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > Yes because, > > Objected. > > You've got a valid mail account (jhs@freebsd.org), so please, make > your Reply-To field point to this, so that the R)eply function of a > mailer will work. I don't care whether your From: line looks like > jhs@dyna1234.some.do.main.org, as long as the Reply-To is set > correctly. > But this is exactly what I have been doing for some long time :-) (So I don't understand the objection) I guess you missed it, but it should be there in all my headers, I append my exact header for this very mail, unchanged, as auto generated : To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free pizza & beer for GCC Guru in or near Berlin From: Julian H. Stacey Reply-To: Julian H. Stacey Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany Phone: +49.89.268616 Fax: +49.89.2608126 (pending modem change) Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Mailer: EXMH version 1.6.5 95 12 11, PGP available In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 21 Apr 1996 19:44:59 +0200." <199604211745.TAA14500@uriah.heep.sax.de> You can see the Reply-To: in there :-) What I had been wondering about was a solution for other logins on my machine, not for me, I'm OK, as you observe :-) Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 23 07:32:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA06298 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 07:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA06266 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 07:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA06303; Tue, 23 Apr 96 14:31:47 GMT Message-Id: <9604231431.AA06303@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA188210032; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:33:53 -0600 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:33:53 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: robin@is.co.za Cc: nik@blueberry.co.uk, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199604231236.OAA22636@admin.is.co.za> (message from Robin Lunn on Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:36:46 +0200 (GMT)) Subject: Re: /dev/console Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Robin" == Robin Lunn writes: Robin> As an "operator" you can access the stiffy drive The WHAT?!? I think this might have implications with the communications decency act ... -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 23 08:15:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA09789 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09772 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA12662 for chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:14:47 +0200 Message-Id: <199604231514.RAA12662@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: /dev/console To: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 96 17:14:37 MDT From: Greg Lehey Cc: robin@is.co.za, nik@blueberry.co.uk, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9604231431.AA06303@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov>; from "Sean Kelly" at Apr 23, 96 8:33 am X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >>>>>> "Robin" == Robin Lunn writes: > > Robin> As an "operator" you can access the stiffy drive > > The WHAT?!? I think this might have implications with the > communications decency act ... Of course. You won't get any decent communications with a stiffy (or with a floppy, for that matter). Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 23 08:20:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA10205 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA10200 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA06915; Tue, 23 Apr 96 15:20:51 GMT Message-Id: <9604231520.AA06915@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA189482977; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:22:57 -0600 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:22:57 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: nik@blueberry.co.uk Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199604231449.PAA11846@plum.blueberry.co.uk> (message from Nik Clayton on Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:49:21 +0100 (BST)) Subject: Re: fvwm95 port and process limits / bin/sh problem? Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Nik" == Nik Clayton writes: Nik> Nik> Ouch! Nik> Ah, I feel much better, I can even tell you precisely why I Nik> didn't do that. There's about three sample entries in the Nik> .fvwm2rc95 file that *don't* do this The fault clearly lies with Hines and Nation (and whoever released fvwm95) for releasing a poor sample RC file! They should've realized that in sample RC files are sometimes a lot better than documentation that accompanies a product---and as a result, they've got to be perfect. Don Norman's _The Design of Everyday Things_ expounds similar sentiments. Nik> Many thanks. And if at any point in the future you need the Nik> blindingly obvious pointed out to you, I'll be happy to Nik> return the favour B-) Great ... you can join the club ... I've got about 20 others who are already more than happy to do so! ;-) -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 23 13:09:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA01336 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA01331 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA17375; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 23:14:20 +0300 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 23:14:19 +0300 (EET DST) From: Narvi To: Greg Lehey cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /dev/console In-Reply-To: <199604231514.RAA12662@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > >>>>>> "Robin" == Robin Lunn writes: > > > > Robin> As an "operator" you can access the stiffy drive > > > > The WHAT?!? I think this might have implications with the > > communications decency act ... > > Of course. You won't get any decent communications with a stiffy (or > with a floppy, for that matter). > > Greg > And Greg seems to be in Germany, not in US, where the communications have to be decent... Sander From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 23 13:46:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA04874 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yucca.cs.odu.edu (root@yucca.cs.odu.edu [128.82.4.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA04850 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from galactica.cs.odu.edu (galactica.cs.odu.edu [128.82.7.68]) by yucca.cs.odu.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id QAA27219 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:45:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:46:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Ragnar To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: CDE In-Reply-To: <9604231520.AA06915@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there a version of CDE planned for freebsd...it's a nice environment, and I am kinda thinking of running it if it exists... Jamie I have my finger on the pulse of the planet. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 23 17:03:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA20941 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA20923 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA06552; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:02:51 -0700 (PDT) To: Ragnar cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CDE In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:46:55 EDT." Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:02:51 -0700 Message-ID: <6550.830304171@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yes. :-) > Is there a version of CDE planned for freebsd...it's a nice environment, > and I am kinda thinking of running it if it exists... > > Jamie > > I have my finger on the pulse of the planet. > From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 23 17:06:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA21350 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21345 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA06568 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:06:03 -0700 (PDT) To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: It's scarey how on-target this is! :-) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:06:03 -0700 Message-ID: <6566.830304363@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ------- Forwarded Message From: Keith Bostic Subject: A guide to Software Revisions Forwarded-by: haynes@xis.xerox.com (Dawn {bob} Haynes) Forwarded-by: squiret@xis.xerox.com (Ted Squire) Forwarded-by: "Paul Piper" Forwarded-by: Barry Kleinman at intergate =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= A Guide To Software Revisions Once you start playing with software you quickly become aware that each software package has a revision code attached to it. It is obvious that this revision code gives the sequence of changes to the product, but in reality there's substantially more information available through the rev code than that. This article provides a guide for interpreting the meaning of the revision codes and what they actually signify. % 1.0: Also known as "one point uh-oh", or "barely out of beta". We had to release because the lab guys had reached a point of exhaustion and the marketing guys were in a cold sweat of terror. We're praying that you'll find it more functional than, say, a computer virus and that its operation has some resemblance to that specified in the marketing copy. % 1.1: We fixed all the killer bugs ... % 1.2: Uh, we introduced a few new bugs fixing the killer bugs and so we had to fix them, too. % 2.0: We did the product we really wanted to do to begin with. Mind you, it's really not what the customer needs yet, but we're working on it. % 2.1: Well, not surprisingly, we broke some things in making major changes so we had to fix them. But we did a really good job of testing this time, so we don't think we introduced any new bugs while we were fixing these bugs. % 2.2: Uh, sorry, one slipped through. One lousy typo error and you won't believe how much trouble it caused! % 2.3: Some anal-retentive pain in the ass found a deep-seated bug that's been there since 1.0 and has been raising hell until we fixed it. % 3.0: Hey, we finally think we've got it right! Most of the customers are really happy with this. % 3.1: Of course we did break a few little things. % 4.0: More features. It's doubled in size now, by the way, and you'll need to get memory and a faster processor ... % 4.1: Just one or two bugs this time. Honest. % 5.0: We really need to go on to a new product but we have an installed base out there to protect. We're cutting the staffing after this. % 6.0: We had to fix a few things we broke in 5.0. Not very many, but it's been so long since we looked at this thing we might as well call it a major upgrade. Oh, yeah, we added a few flashy cosmetic features so we could justify the major upgrade number. % 6.1: Since I'm leaving the company and I'm the last guy left in the lab who works on the product, I wanted to make sure that all the changes I've made are incorporated before I go. I added some cute demos, too, since I was getting pretty bored back here in my dark little corner (I kept complaining about the lighting but they wouldn't do anything). They're talking about obsolescence planning but they'll try to keep selling it for as long as there's a buck or two to be made. I'm leaving the bits in as good a shape as I can in case somebody has to tweak them, but it'll be sheer luck if no one loses the..................... Credit: Anonymous ..../ Thanks to the NET! ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 23 19:30:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA04484 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eduserv.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (s_koyin@eduserv.its.unimelb.EDU.AU [128.250.6.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04450 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from s_koyin@localhost) by eduserv.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (8.7.4/8.7.3) id MAA03163; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:29:42 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:29:40 +1000 (EST) From: HMG coA reductase To: Greg Lehey cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /dev/console In-Reply-To: <199604231514.RAA12662@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What's a "stiffy" drive? Oh, i once got this problem, similar one, and i found that xconsole or some other x app wasn't setuid, so i chmod 4755 it and it's fine. Ivan On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > >>>>>> "Robin" == Robin Lunn writes: > > > > Robin> As an "operator" you can access the stiffy drive > > > > The WHAT?!? I think this might have implications with the > > communications decency act ... > > Of course. You won't get any decent communications with a stiffy (or > with a floppy, for that matter). > From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 23 20:16:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA08570 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA08565 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yucca.cs.odu.edu (root@yucca.cs.odu.edu [128.82.4.6]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id UAA18739 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:16:23 -0700 Received: from tulip.cs.odu.edu (bowden@tulip.cs.odu.edu [128.82.6.132]) by yucca.cs.odu.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id XAA04480; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 23:13:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 23:14:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Ragnar To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDE In-Reply-To: <6550.830304171@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: Cool, when will it be, or where is it currently, available? > Yes. :-) > > > Is there a version of CDE planned for freebsd...it's a nice environment, > > and I am kinda thinking of running it if it exists... > > > > Jamie > > > > I have my finger on the pulse of the planet. > > > > Jamie I have my finger on the pulse of the planet. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 23 22:29:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA18977 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maui.com (root@waena.mrtc.maui.com [199.4.33.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA18972 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.dihelix.com [199.4.33.251]) by maui.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA17917; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:30:07 -1000 Received: (from langfod@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02633; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:29:45 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <199604240529.TAA02633@caliban.dihelix.com> Subject: Re: CDE To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:29:45 -1000 (HST) Cc: bowden@cs.odu.edu, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <6550.830304171@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Apr 23, 96 05:02:51 pm" From: "David Langford" X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Jordan K. Hubbard writes: >Yes. :-) > >> Is there a version of CDE planned for freebsd...it's a nice environment, >> and I am kinda thinking of running it if it exists... Jordan, methinks you should be known as the official FreeBSD tease. IMHO, of course. -David Langford langfod@dihelix.com From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 23 22:44:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA19790 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obie.softweyr.com (slcmodem1-p1-13.intele.net [206.29.206.112]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19725 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from wes@localhost) by obie.softweyr.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id XAA02977; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 23:45:29 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 23:45:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199604240545.XAA02977@obie.softweyr.com> From: wes@intele.net To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CDE In-Reply-To: <6550.830304171@time.cdrom.com> References: <6550.830304171@time.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jamie asked: > Is there a version of CDE planned for freebsd...it's a nice environment, > and I am kinda thinking of running it if it exists... Jordan K. Hubbard wittily replied: % Yes. :-) This was cruel. Can you provide any details, for those who might wish this upon their system? (I run ctwm by choice, but some of my compatriots at the daily salt mine *like* VUE.) -- Wes Peters | Yes I am a pirate, two hundred years too late Softweyr | The cannons don't thunder, there's nothing to plunder Consulting | I'm an over forty victim of fate... wes@intele.net | Jimmy Buffett From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 23 23:14:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA21617 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 23:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (root@grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21610 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 23:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (mark@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11409; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:10:12 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199604240610.IAA11409@grumble.grondar.za> To: HMG coA reductase cc: Greg Lehey , chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: /dev/console Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:10:11 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk HMG coA reductase wrote: > What's a "stiffy" drive? A 3 1/5 inch floppy. So called because of the stiff case. In South Africa, to call this a {mini|micro|*}floppy would get lots of people yelling at you that its a "stiffy", not a "floppy". Crazy. > > > Robin> As an "operator" you can access the stiffy drive > > > > > > The WHAT?!? I think this might have implications with the > > > communications decency act ... > > > > Of course. You won't get any decent communications with a stiffy (or > > with a floppy, for that matter). Yup - Typical South African Usage - The two types of floppy actually have different names - and these are enforced by "common usage". M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 23 23:53:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA22914 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 23:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22908 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 23:53:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA25281 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:52:54 +0200 Message-Id: <199604240652.IAA25281@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: /dev/console To: narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee (Narvi) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 96 8:52:51 MDT From: Greg Lehey Cc: lehey.pad@sni.de, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: ; from "Narvi" at Apr 23, 96 11:14 pm X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> >>>>>>>> "Robin" == Robin Lunn writes: >>> >>> Robin> As an "operator" you can access the stiffy drive >>> >>> The WHAT?!? I think this might have implications with the >>> communications decency act ... >> >> Of course. You won't get any decent communications with a stiffy (or >> with a floppy, for that matter). >> >> Greg >> > > And Greg seems to be in Germany, not in US, where the communications > have to be decent... In fact, the communications are pretty rough here. They say that they comply with RFC 1149. Floppies or stiffies could only improve the situation. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 24 00:15:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA23866 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 00:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA23820 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 00:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA10194; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:13:10 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA20952; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:13:09 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA26114; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:32:23 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604240632.IAA26114@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: /dev/console To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:32:22 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: lehey.pad@sni.de, s_koyin@eduserv.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (HMG coA reductase) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "HMG coA reductase" at Apr 24, 96 12:29:40 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As HMG coA reductase wrote: > What's a "stiffy" drive? The opposite of a "floppy" drive? > Oh, i once got this problem, similar one, and i found that xconsole or > some other x app wasn't setuid, so i chmod 4755 it and it's fine. xconsole is not supposed to be setuid root. Use ``options UCONSOLE'' in the kernel to allow everyone to take over the system's console. (xterm is only setuid root to write the accounting records. Perhaps this is wrong policy, and it should better call `login -f' to handle the `login session' semantics. Not all systems have a `login -f' however.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 24 07:28:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA18112 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from psiint.com (vv.psiint.com [204.189.53.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA18098 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by psiint.com (8.6.12/4.03) id HAA59432; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:28:34 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:28:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Walton To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: It's scarey how on-target this is! :-) In-Reply-To: <6566.830304363@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > % 2.1: > Well, not surprisingly, we broke some things in making major changes so > we had to fix them. But we did a really good job of testing this time, > so we don't think we introduced any new bugs while we were fixing these > bugs. > > % 2.2: > Uh, sorry, one slipped through. One lousy typo error and you won't > believe how much trouble it caused! > > % 2.3: > Some anal-retentive pain in the ass found a deep-seated bug that's been > there since 1.0 and has been raising hell until we fixed it. > > % 3.0: > Hey, we finally think we've got it right! Most of the customers are > really happy with this. You mean we have to wait for three more releases before we can be really happy with FreeBSD?? So what's the typo you're fixing in 2.2R? Dave ========================================================================== David Walton Unix Programmer PSI INTERNATIONAL, Inc. email: dwalton@psiint.com 190 South Orchard #C200 Fax :(707)451-6484 Vacaville, CA 95688 Phone:(707)451-3503 ========================================================================== From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 24 07:35:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA19786 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA19775 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA11192; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:34:42 -0700 (PDT) To: Ragnar cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDE In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 Apr 1996 23:14:30 EDT." Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:34:42 -0700 Message-ID: <11190.830356482@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It'll be a few weeks yet. > On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Cool, when will it be, or where is it currently, available? > > > Yes. :-) > > > > > Is there a version of CDE planned for freebsd...it's a nice environment, > > > and I am kinda thinking of running it if it exists... > > > > > > Jamie > > > > > > I have my finger on the pulse of the planet. > > > > > > > > > Jamie > > I have my finger on the pulse of the planet. > From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 24 07:44:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA22070 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22064 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:44:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA11260; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:44:13 -0700 (PDT) To: "David Langford" cc: bowden@cs.odu.edu, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDE In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:29:45 -1000." <199604240529.TAA02633@caliban.dihelix.com> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:44:13 -0700 Message-ID: <11258.830357053@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I *am* the official FreeBSD tease! Jes' doin my job, jes doin my job... :) > >Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > >Yes. :-) > > > >> Is there a version of CDE planned for freebsd...it's a nice environment, > >> and I am kinda thinking of running it if it exists... > > Jordan, > > methinks you should be known as the official FreeBSD tease. > > IMHO, of course. > > -David Langford > langfod@dihelix.com From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 24 07:50:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA22516 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22509 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA11301; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:50:23 -0700 (PDT) To: wes@intele.net cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CDE In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 Apr 1996 23:45:29 MDT." <199604240545.XAA02977@obie.softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:50:23 -0700 Message-ID: <11299.830357423@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is my stock reply when I can't really talk about something but want to at least reassure folks that there's something in the pipeline and they shouldn't give up hope. I will announce more details of this just as soon as I am allowed, sorry! :-( Jordan > Jamie asked: > > Is there a version of CDE planned for freebsd...it's a nice environment, > > and I am kinda thinking of running it if it exists... > > Jordan K. Hubbard wittily replied: > % Yes. :-) > > This was cruel. Can you provide any details, for those who might wish > this upon their system? (I run ctwm by choice, but some of my > compatriots at the daily salt mine *like* VUE.) > > -- > Wes Peters | Yes I am a pirate, two hundred years too late > Softweyr | The cannons don't thunder, there's nothing to plunder > Consulting | I'm an over forty victim of fate... > wes@intele.net | Jimmy Buffett From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 24 09:25:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA28657 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from doorstep.unety.net (root@usi-00-10.Naperville.unety.net [204.70.107.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA28652 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webster.unety.net (webster.unety.net [206.31.202.8]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA19175; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:19:04 -0500 Received: by webster.unety.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BB31D0.4B5C0120@webster.unety.net>; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:22:17 -0500 Message-ID: <01BB31D0.4B5C0120@webster.unety.net> From: Jim Fleming To: Ragnar , "'Jordan K. Hubbard'" Cc: "chat@FreeBSD.org" Subject: RE: CDE Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:22:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wednesday, April 24, 1996 9:34 AM, Jordan K. Hubbard[SMTP:jkh@time.cdrom.com] wrote: @It'll be a few weeks yet. @ Whatever you do Jordan...do not tell people about the "C+@s"....:-) -- Jim Fleming UNETY Systems, Inc. Naperville, IL 60563 e-mail: JimFleming@unety.net From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 24 11:21:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA06433 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yucca.cs.odu.edu (root@yucca.cs.odu.edu [128.82.4.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06428 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tulip.cs.odu.edu (bowden@tulip.cs.odu.edu [128.82.6.132]) by yucca.cs.odu.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id OAA19995; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:20:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:21:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Ragnar To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: wes@intele.net, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDE In-Reply-To: <11299.830357423@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: Okay...I will wait patiently for the next cd, and CDE... :) > This is my stock reply when I can't really talk about something but > want to at least reassure folks that there's something in the pipeline > and they shouldn't give up hope. > > I will announce more details of this just as soon as I am allowed, > sorry! :-( > > Jordan > > > Jamie asked: > > > Is there a version of CDE planned for freebsd...it's a nice environment, > > > and I am kinda thinking of running it if it exists... > > > > Jordan K. Hubbard wittily replied: > > % Yes. :-) > > > > This was cruel. Can you provide any details, for those who might wish > > this upon their system? (I run ctwm by choice, but some of my > > compatriots at the daily salt mine *like* VUE.) > > > > -- > > Wes Peters | Yes I am a pirate, two hundred years too late > > Softweyr | The cannons don't thunder, there's nothing to plunder > > Consulting | I'm an over forty victim of fate... > > wes@intele.net | Jimmy Buffett > > Jamie I have my finger on the pulse of the planet. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 24 18:34:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA26680 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from doorstep.unety.net (root@usi-00-10.Naperville.unety.net [204.70.107.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA26631 Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webster.unety.net (webster.unety.net [206.31.202.8]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA19973; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:28:08 -0500 Received: by webster.unety.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BB321C.FFDBF960@webster.unety.net>; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:31:21 -0500 Message-ID: <01BB321C.FFDBF960@webster.unety.net> From: Jim Fleming To: "'Warner Losh'" , Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: "'chat@FreeBSD.org'" , "current@FreeBSD.ORG" , Paul Traina Subject: RE: SLIP: Check IP Version (please test) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:31:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wednesday, April 24, 1996 4:09 PM, Warner Losh[SMTP:imp@village.org] wrote: @: I agree, the point is that people play with IPv8 and it breaks slip. @ @There is no IPv8 that the IETF has defined. Others may have co-opted @that name. There is no reason to wrorry about it. IPv6, on the other @hand, is being actively defined.... @ @That said, will the extra two instructions really cause people grief? @ @Warner @ @ The IETF has their hands full trying to make the IPv4 system work... and thinking about the wonderful time they are going to have with IPv6...;-) People that want to have some fun with IPv8 and want to help build an OuterInternet using the existing Internet for core transport are welcome to help weave IPv8 into FreeBSD and other platforms. Some people look forward to the day when they can move beyond the Legacy Internet which is developing problems faster than they can be fixed. This is similar to the flight from large cities to the suburbs as a way to avoid problems and congestion. IPv8 provides room to grow without the massive engineering effort required for IPv6. The IPv8 approach creates 2,048 address spaces similar to the current IPv4 space. The challenge now is to link those address spaces using FreeBSD, host-based routers. In many respects it is like creating airplanes as a replacement for the railroads. The IPv8 pilots will not be restricted to flying only over railroad tracks. Instead, IPv8 will carve its own direction using FreeBSD as a base upon which to build. Everyone that has contributed to FreeBSD and who continues to contribute to FreeBSD should be proud of the work they have done. In over 20 years of hacking UNIX kernels, I have not seen a better version of UNIX and a better group of software engineers. I look forward to "meshing with your bits"....:-) -- Jim Fleming UNETY Systems, Inc. Naperville, IL 60563 e-mail: JimFleming@unety.net From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 25 00:04:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA21291 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA21285 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA21994; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:09:42 +0300 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:09:42 +0300 (EET DST) From: Narvi To: Dave Walton cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: It's scarey how on-target this is! :-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, Dave Walton wrote: > On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > % 2.1: > > Well, not surprisingly, we broke some things in making major changes so > > we had to fix them. But we did a really good job of testing this time, > > so we don't think we introduced any new bugs while we were fixing these > > bugs. > > > > % 2.2: > > Uh, sorry, one slipped through. One lousy typo error and you won't > > believe how much trouble it caused! > > > > % 2.3: > > Some anal-retentive pain in the ass found a deep-seated bug that's been > > there since 1.0 and has been raising hell until we fixed it. I think FreeBSD changed from 4.3BSD to 4.4BSD with version 2.0? So It can't be that bad... > > > > % 3.0: > > Hey, we finally think we've got it right! Most of the customers are > > really happy with this. > > You mean we have to wait for three more releases before we can be really > happy with FreeBSD?? > > So what's the typo you're fixing in 2.2R? FreeBSD seems to be doing at least a little biot better... :) > > Dave > > > ========================================================================== > David Walton Unix Programmer > PSI INTERNATIONAL, Inc. email: dwalton@psiint.com > 190 South Orchard #C200 Fax :(707)451-6484 > Vacaville, CA 95688 Phone:(707)451-3503 > ========================================================================== > Sander Eat good food, preserve nature, be nice to all nice people :) From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 25 18:51:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA27735 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 18:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA27727 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 18:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA29325; Fri, 26 Apr 96 01:50:59 GMT Message-Id: <9604260150.AA29325@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA056503458; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:50:58 -0600 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:50:58 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: garman@phs.k12.ar.us Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: (message from Jason Garman on Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:42:52 -0500 (CDT)) Subject: Re: Net connected printer Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Regarding http://www.gcctech.com/webadmin.html, yow! This beats SNMP for remote device control any day. Thanks for the link! -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 26 10:24:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA20217 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20203 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id KAA01220 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with SMTP id NAA03164 ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:40:27 +0100 (BST) To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG CC: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Unixware Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:37:56 +0100 Message-ID: <3157.830522276@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Seven switch to the Unixware standard ------------------------------------- The dream of a single flavour of Unix came a step closer last week, as the seven firms that resell the operating system on Intel platforms agreed to ditch their own versions and standardise on Unixware. SCO, owner of the SVR4 version of Unix, has finally persuaded the SVR4-on-Intel resellers, such as NCR and Unisys, to adpot Unixware, the binary, shrink-wrapped, SVR4 developed during Novell's ownership of Unix. But the deal still leaves the major non-SVR4, non-Intel Unix vendors - Hewlett-Packard, IBM and Sun - ploughing their own furrow. Many of the seven SVR4 resellers - Compaq, Data General, ICL, NCR, Olivetti, Siemens-Nixdorf and Unisys - already run Unixware on their low-end Unix machines. During the next year all of them will migrate to running Unixware on all their machines, including symmetric multiprocessors and clusters. "Swapping to binary-code Unixware instead of their own source-code versions of SVR4 will make it easier for them to take up the 64bit version when it arrives in 1998" said Mike Shelton, SCO's vice-president for enterprise solutions. "But it also makes it cheaper and easier for the software vendors to have only a single, Unixware version to port to. It can cost about $1m for every Unix port." Consolidating on Unixware will also mean future enhancements, such as support for clustering and large files and memory, will be available to all SVR4 resellers simultaneously. "This is a long overdue move towards single Unix," said Mike Martin, general manager of technology at ICL,which has been using Unixware on all it's Unix boxes for a year. "The operating system will cease to be a unique selling poing, instead we'll compete on things like high-availability technology or the quality of our service." (taken from the Computer Weekly in the UK. Article by Julia Vowler. Spelling errors and typos by me) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 26 14:31:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA05777 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from innocence.interface-business.de (innocence.interface-business.de [193.101.57.101]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05766 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ida.interface-business.de (ida.interface-business.de [193.101.57.203]) by innocence.interface-business.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA14051 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 23:33:30 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by ida.interface-business.de (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA22318 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 23:33:48 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604262133.XAA22318@ida.interface-business.de> Subject: Mailing me To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 23:33:47 +0200 (MET DST) X-Phone: +49-351-31809-14 X-Fax: +49-351-3361187 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The university that's hosting my (private) ISP suffers from a maintenance power outage over the weekend. Anybody wishing to send me urgent mail should do so to joerg_wunsch%uriah.heep.sax.de@interface-business.de -- J"org Wunsch Unix support engineer joerg_wunsch@interface-business.de http://www.interface-business.de/~j