From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 16 11:08:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA02944 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 11:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from covina.lightside.com (covina.lightside.com [207.67.176.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA02933; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 11:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by covina.lightside.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uVMFi-0004KCC; Sun, 16 Jun 96 11:08 PDT Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 11:08:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jake Hamby To: Amancio Hasty cc: multimedia@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nerd Talk In-Reply-To: <199606150413.VAA00403@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Hi, > For starters we don't know yet what are going to be the full specifications > for the new Sony PC. So lets pick that one up after monday when Sony > announces their product and please don't forget that they have their > PlayStation division to tap from for technology. That's true. Although I think if they did integrate anything from the Playstation, they'd need to provide, for example Windows DirectX drivers for it, otherwise I don't think ANY software would support it. > So lets deal with BeBox, whats so great about it in terms of multimedia? The OS has built-in SMP and multithreading, which is very easy to program (the OS itself is C++), allowing you to devote real-time threads to multimedia. Since the base machine has 2 CPU's, this is a big win for multimedia. Also, I expect the BeBox will eventually support one or more of the 3-D video cards entering the market, since it has standard PCI slots and already supports, for example, many S3-based SVGA cards. > Also if you already own a PC , I don't see any reason why you can > outfit your PC with the appropiate gear. S3 Virge (3d engine) , > GUS PnP, matrox meteor or suitable vga plus video capture board-- > I think Matrox has a decent combo vga + video capture. > Tapi devices are starting to rolling so if you shop around you > can probably find a decent Tapi board. My point is that you > can get a fairly decent multimedia PC. Yeah, but you end up spending $1000 or more, on top of the cost of your existing Pentium PC. The reason I'm thinking of buying a BeBox (since I mentioned it, I might as well defend myself :-) is my 486 is about as souped up as I could want. Upgrading to a Pentium would only buy me the ability to run my *existing* software a bit faster. Buying a BeBox would give me enough CPU horsepower for the next few years, combined with a brand-new architecture and brand-new C++-based OS which everyone says is very fun to program (supported by Metrowerks latest compilers). So at first, there won't be many programs, but this just means the market is more open for hobbyists to port over from UNIX and develop their own programs (no pressure from Microsoft). And at developers prices, it will cost $1000 + RAM + video card + keyboard/mouse/floppy/CD-ROM + hard drive + monitor (all standard PC components), so if I scrounge around, it's about $1500 for the whole system (without monitor). > JKH just posted that Intel is selling P200 with their Aurora motherboard > for about $1300 . Now I love to see the price projection for a > dual P200 + motherboard by next christmas 8) Yeah that is pretty impressive. Raw horsepower-wise, the PC is always the best bet. The main idea Be is banking on, that two medium-power CPU's will be cheaper than one high-power CPU (and that up to 8 high-power CPU's will be almost 8 times as fast as the top-of-the-line for power-users), applies to the Pentium and P6, but only if the OS supports it. And as of now, there is no "consumer-grade" OS to support dual-Pentiums, so the prices remained (until now) in the high-end server price range. Since FreeBSD supports SMP, that is too cool! Still, I like the idea of dual PowerPC's for $1000, and a brand-new OS, and I don't need to justify myself, after all I can say I saved $1000 by buying a BeBox and NOT buying the Amiga 4000 when it was re-released in 1995 ($2700 and that was only a 25MHz 68040!!) :-) :-) ---Jake the former Amiga fanatic :-) > Regards, > Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 17 17:35:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA12256 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boner.mrami.com (mramirez.sy.yale.edu [130.132.57.207]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12246 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mrami@localhost) by boner.mrami.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA13501; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 20:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 20:35:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Ramirez To: Peter da Silva cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A stuffed Daemon plushie (Chuck), anyone? In-Reply-To: <199606090022.TAA23087@bonkers.taronga.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, Peter da Silva wrote: > I thought his name was "phred". I though a Phred was one of the enemies on the old Stargate video game. What's up with the daemon plushies anyway? I haven't heard anything about them for a while... Marc. -- "A witty saying proves nothing." -- Voltaire From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 17 20:08:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA20527 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 20:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA20522 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 20:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00390 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 20:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606180307.UAA00390@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/ccpg/pc/pccontent.html Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 20:07:57 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thats the http pointer to the new sony pc so far it looks good. We can always put together a PC like the Sony PC however is rather nice to be able to buy a PC with hardware assist 3d and a decent sound soundcard 8) Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 17 21:33:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA25027 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 21:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obie.softweyr.com (slc11.xmission.com [204.228.136.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25010 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 21:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from wes@localhost) by obie.softweyr.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id WAA05985; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 22:35:33 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 22:35:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199606180435.WAA05985@obie.softweyr.com> From: wes@intele.net To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BeBox (was Re: Nerd Talk) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jake Hamby said: % The reason I'm thinking of buying a BeBox (since I mentioned it, I % might as well defend myself :-) is my 486 is about as souped up as % I could want. Upgrading to a Pentium would only buy me the ability % to run my *existing* software a bit faster. Buying a BeBox would % give me enough CPU horsepower for the next few years, combined with % a brand-new architecture and brand-new C++-based OS which everyone % says is very fun to program (supported by Metrowerks latest % compilers). So at first, there won't be many programs, but this % just means the market is more open for hobbyists to port over from % UNIX and develop their own programs (no pressure from Microsoft). % And at developers prices, it will cost $1000 + RAM + video card + % keyboard/mouse/floppy/CD-ROM + hard drive + monitor (all standard % PC components), so if I scrounge around, it's about $1500 for the % whole system (without monitor). So how come no discussion yet of "FreeBeSD?" Pun intended, of course. At the very least, we could use the second processor for executing threads, even if BSD doesn't yet support SMP. -- Wes Peters | Yes I am a pirate, two hundred years too late Softweyr | The cannons don't thunder, there's nothing to plunder Consulting | I'm an over forty victim of fate... softweyr@xmission.com | Jimmy Buffett From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 17 22:44:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA01283 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 22:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (root@morrison-c21.aa.net [204.157.220.153]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA01278 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 22:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (smpatel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA00661; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 22:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 22:44:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: review: ftpget final source In-Reply-To: <2074.835075548@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Well, if you think about it, since ftp://blah/blah is just as > reasonable a URL as http://bleh is, why not call it HURL? An acronym > for Haul-URL (over to my machine). ^ ^ Let's switch a few letters around.... /usr/bin/u-haul That's got a familiar ring to it :-) Sujal From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 17 23:28:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA02918 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from covina.lightside.com (covina.lightside.com [207.67.176.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA02839 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by covina.lightside.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uVuFk-0004KCC; Mon, 17 Jun 96 23:27 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:27:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jake Hamby To: wes@intele.net cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BeBox (was Re: Nerd Talk) In-Reply-To: <199606180435.WAA05985@obie.softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 17 Jun 1996 wes@intele.net wrote: > So how come no discussion yet of "FreeBeSD?" Pun intended, of course. > At the very least, we could use the second processor for executing > threads, even if BSD doesn't yet support SMP. Actually, FreeBSD does support SMP, although I believe it hasn't been integrated into the main source tree yet. With a dual-Pentium you can compile the GENERIC kernel in under 3 minutes (using make -j). And yes, the BeBox runs Linux, so I imagine enterprising people WILL port FreeBSD or NetBSD to it. But if I'm going to run FreeBSD, again, why not just use my PC? I wanted to try out a new OS, in combination with new hardware. After all, UNIX, in spite of being cool, just can't succeed on the desktop (too incomprehensible to the average user), and BeOS makes concessions to UNIX geeks like me by bundling "bash" as the shell and a bunch of other GNU utilities. So you can have it both ways... ---Jake > -- > Wes Peters | Yes I am a pirate, two hundred years too late > Softweyr | The cannons don't thunder, there's nothing to plunder > Consulting | I'm an over forty victim of fate... > softweyr@xmission.com | Jimmy Buffett > From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 17 23:51:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA04907 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA04898 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id IAA17169; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 08:50:46 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA18653; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 08:50:45 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA07824; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 08:37:29 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199606180637.IAA07824@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: A stuffed Daemon plushie (Chuck), anyone? To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 08:37:29 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: peter@taronga.com, mrami@mrami.com (Marc Ramirez) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from Marc Ramirez at "Jun 17, 96 08:35:25 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Marc Ramirez wrote: > What's up with the daemon plushies anyway? I haven't heard anything > about them for a while... My fault. I'm in charge for posting the announcement, but didn't come round to actually write it. ``Really Soon Now'' :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 19 02:01:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA26764 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 02:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-42-150.ut.nl.ibm.net [139.92.42.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA26687; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 02:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jhs@localhost) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) id KAA00341; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 10:41:07 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 10:41:07 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199606190841.KAA00341@vector.jhs.no_domain> To: jhs@freebsd.org cc: jhs@freebsd.org Subject: Anyone know of an HP-UX + C compiler where I could rlogin ? From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany Phone: +49.89.268616 Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Mailer: EXMH 1.6.7, PGP available Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi All, Anyone know of an HP-UX with C compiler, where I could do a short net rlogin ? I want to compile a small binary capable of running on a HP-UX 9.0.4 & 10.1.0. I'll need negligable resources (disc, coms, cpu time etc). I need no priveleges, just `cc', & rlogin / telnet. Thanks for reading this, & if you reply, please keep me on the cc: line :-) Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 19 05:20:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA10293 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 05:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA10283; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 05:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA24229; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:16:16 -0400 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199606191216.IAA24229@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: Cyrix and AMD chips To: michaelv@HeadCandy.com (Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freefall.FreeBSD.org, freebsd-chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199606190434.VAA18294@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> from "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" at Jun 18, 96 09:34:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > >Can anyone comment on the stability of these chips? > >It will be running FreeBSD-stable 2.1.0 > > AMD chips are awesome. They will work correctly with every > motherboard that runs correctly with Intel chips. > > The new Cyrix 6x86 (Pentium replacement) is supposed to be a great > chip from all I've read. It's definitely faster than a Pentium at the > same clock speed (don't be fooled by the P-rating, though). I'm > pretty temted to get one since it's a good alternative to Intel. > > AMD's K5 (their "6x86-ish" chip) is behind and is just coming out in > 100MHz versions. I'm sure it'll be a great chip too when they can > finally produce fast versions of them in large quantities. > > The Cyrix 5x86 sounds nice too. It actually has some design > enhancements beyond a normal 486. (The "5x86" chips are designed for > a 486 socket and motherboard.) The AMD 5x86 is just a 486DX4 with a > 16K write-back cache and quad-clock instead of tripled clock. Still, > it's a hellishly fast 486. The AMD 5x86 133MHz is supposed to be > ~75MHz Pentium in performance. OK -- sounds great to me... I've got two 486/33's on older ISA Micronics motherboards that need a shot in the arm (or a kick in the butt) speedwise. These are 5 volt motherboards designed around the 486/33 clock speed. Is there any guarantee that any of these chips will work correctly. I've been told that the only thing that should work for sure is the Intel 486DX2/66. I'd love to go to the AMD 586 -- anyone have any experience with these in older motherboards with the Voltage Regulator sockets? Bill From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 19 11:12:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA07048 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 11:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yucca.cs.odu.edu (root@yucca.cs.odu.edu [128.82.4.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07040; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 11:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fog.cs.odu.edu (bowden@fog.cs.odu.edu [128.82.4.35]) by yucca.cs.odu.edu (8.7.3/8.6.4) with SMTP id OAA02164; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:06:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Bill/Carolyn Pechter cc: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" , freebsd-hardware@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cyrix and AMD chips In-Reply-To: <199606191216.IAA24229@shell.monmouth.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Bill/Carolyn Pechter wrote: > OK -- sounds great to me... I've got two 486/33's on older ISA Micronics > motherboards that need a shot in the arm (or a kick in the butt) > speedwise. These are 5 volt motherboards designed around the 486/33 > clock speed. Is there any guarantee that any of these chips will work > correctly. I've been told that the only thing that should work for sure > is the Intel 486DX2/66. > > I'd love to go to the AMD 586 -- anyone have any experience with these > in older motherboards with the Voltage Regulator sockets? > > Bill > You will ned to get a 3 volt motherboard. 486 MB's are real cheap right now, splurge on a nice new MB. $200 US for MB and chip from alot of retailers. Jamie I have my finger on the pulse of the planet. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 19 12:33:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA11285 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from portal.spi.net ([199.238.225.153]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11265; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@MindBender.HeadCandy.com [199.238.225.168]) by portal.spi.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA28906; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:33:13 -0700 Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA16463; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606191933.MAA16463@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Bill/Carolyn Pechter cc: freebsd-hardware@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cyrix and AMD chips In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 19 Jun 96 08:16:15 -0400. <199606191216.IAA24229@shell.monmouth.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:33:10 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I'd love to go to the AMD 586 -- anyone have any experience with these >in older motherboards with the Voltage Regulator sockets? That's what I'm using. I have an EISA motherboard, and they never considered the market big enough to update the BIOS even for 486DX4s. It seems to be working OK for me. You might want to double-verify with who you buy them from that you could swap the VRs and chips for 486DX2/66's just in case it doesn't work out, though. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 19 18:08:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA07145 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA07126; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:08:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199606200108.SAA07126@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: BSD daemon Plushies To: freebsd-announce Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-chat Reply-To: X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi everybody! Well, now, after several struggles, delays, price ``corrections'' etc., i'm now happy to announce you the availability of the Daemon Plushies. The lovely little BSD daemon is available as a stuffed plushie. As always :), it costs more than what we initially hoped. Despite of keeping the sales margin for all parties fairly low (after all, we started the project since we were interested in the stuffed daemon, not to make money as the first goal), it's still fairly pricey since it's an all hand-made devil that comes to you. The benefit is that everybody who saw him by now loved him from the first minute, and nobody had any doubt that this must be The BSD Daemon. Ok, i'm only a small part of the game, the actual shipping and organization is in the hands of a small German company, Liebscher & Partner. They've got a (very short) Web reference under http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/firmen/liebscher.html for those who are interested. I'm sending all the info below on behalf of Ingo Liebscher. He can be reached: email: LiebscherCo@t-online.de phone: +49-3731-781 386 fax: +49-3731-781 387 He's prepared to take orders via email, but please be gentle: his English knowledge is not quite as well as mine. ;-) The price, including shipping & handling, will be: Germany DEM 56,- ~ 3 weeks other Europe DEM 63,- overseas USD 50,- cheapest mail, ~ 5 weeks + USD 30,- air mail Please negotiate bulk orders before; in particular for overseas orders, they might become cheaper. Liebscher & Partner is accepting the following credit cards: - VISA Card - Diners Club - Euro Card - Master Card In addition, Euroschecks are accepted up to DEM 400 total. The gain is already fairly low, so only prepaid orders are acceptable. (Of course, cash is also acceptable. :) For credit card orders, the following must be sent to him: first name, last name, card number, validity (starts / expires) country -- J"org Wunsch Unix support engineer joerg_wunsch@interface-business.de http://www.interface-business.de/~j From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 19 18:36:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA08250 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA08240 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA14703; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:33:42 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606200133.SAA14703@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: BSD daemon Plushies To: joerg_wunsch@interface-business.de Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:33:42 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606200108.SAA07126@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Jun 19, 96 06:08:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The price, including shipping & handling, will be: > > Germany DEM 56,- ~ 3 weeks > other Europe DEM 63,- > overseas USD 50,- cheapest mail, ~ 5 weeks > + USD 30,- air mail > > Please negotiate bulk orders before; in particular for overseas > orders, they might become cheaper. Time to set up a bulk purchase. I want 3 of them at the $50 price. Maybe Walnut Creek could import them? 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 19 18:50:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA09463 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA09458 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA02113; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 21:50:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 21:50:33 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199606200150.VAA02113@crh.cl.msu.edu> To: terry@lambert.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD daemon Plushies Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.chat References: <4qaacc$m1n@msunews.cl.msu.edu> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In lists.freebsd.chat you write: >> The price, including shipping & handling, will be: >> >> Germany DEM 56,- ~ 3 weeks >> other Europe DEM 63,- >> overseas USD 50,- cheapest mail, ~ 5 weeks >> + USD 30,- air mail >> >> Please negotiate bulk orders before; in particular for overseas >> orders, they might become cheaper. >Time to set up a bulk purchase. I want 3 of them at the $50 price. >Maybe Walnut Creek could import them? 8-). I know Im gonna want a couple. Does anyone have pictures of this beast anywhere? It'd make it easier to justify to my ocncious! :) -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 19 19:41:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA12361 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 19:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rip.ops.neosoft.com (rip.ops.NeoSoft.COM [206.109.4.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA12353 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 19:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from awsmith@localhost) by rip.ops.neosoft.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA13505 for freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 21:41:42 -0500 From: Andrew Smith Message-Id: <199606200241.VAA13505@rip.ops.neosoft.com> Subject: BSD 4.4-Lite Daemon image??? To: freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 21:41:42 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Might anyone know where I could find a fairly large gif/jpeg/etc of the 4.4-Lite Berkeley Daemon (the one where he's running with the pitchfork). I've found a VERY small image from the O'Reilly web site on the 4.4-Lite companion series covers, but the quality of the individual daemon picture is really poor when blown up. I know that I could go searching for the books and buy one and scan it in or bring it to the tattoo shop (yup...you guessed it...), but it's real money and I'm poor :-) Thanks in advance! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Smith ** awsmith@neosoft.com ** Network Engineer ** 1-888-NEOSOFT ** "Opportunities multiply as they are seized" - Sun Tzu ** ** http://www.neosoft.com/neosoft/staff/andrew ** --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 19 20:12:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA13788 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 20:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gutso.foxharp.boston.ma.us (gutso.american.com [204.253.111.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13782 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 20:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gutso (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gutso.foxharp.boston.ma.us (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA05751; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 23:12:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199606200312.XAA05751@gutso.foxharp.boston.ma.us> To: joerg_wunsch@interface-business.de Subject: Re: BSD daemon Plushies cc: freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org In-reply-to: jmb's message of Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:08:39 -0700. <199606200108.SAA07126@freefall.freebsd.org> Reply-to: pgf@foxharp.boston.ma.us Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 23:12:11 -0400 From: Paul Fox Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > it's an all hand-made devil that comes to you. The benefit is that > everybody who saw him by now loved him from the first minute, and > nobody had any doubt that this must be The BSD Daemon. GIF! GIF! :-) --------------------- paul fox, pgf@foxharp.boston.ma.us (arlington, ma) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 19 23:58:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA21958 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 23:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from joerg@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA21940; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 23:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 23:58:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Joerg Wunsch Message-Id: <199606200658.XAA21940@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-announce, freebsd-chat Subject: The Daemon Plushies again Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, many people are asking me for pictures of the plushie. Sorry to say, by now (until the first batch has been produced, which will only by the time when the first at leat 50 orders arrived at Ingo) only a single sample does exist, and this one is sitting somewhere on a desk at Walnut Creek. So Jordan promised to get some pictures, and publish them somewhere at www.freebsd.org. When you see them, please keep in mind that this was the final sample, a few minor nits came up and will be resolved in the final version. Walnut Creek is _not_ going to handle bulk orders theirselves. As i wrote, there's not much gain to make out of them (they are really that expensive in production!), thus yet another oranization handling them was deemed to cost more than shipping them directly from Europe. Of course, if somebody volunteers to negotiate a bulk order with Ingo for no extra charge, he is free to do this. Lastly, please do _not_ ask _me_ anything regarding orders, prices, shipping etc. I don't have them, i don't do it. It's all up to Ingo Liebscher, as i wrote in the announcement. Contact him at LiebscherCo@t-online.de for all question regarding the actual deal. thank you, Jörg p.s.: Please do understand that i won't answer each single question about the availability of pictures -- it wouldn't be any more inform- ation than the above. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 20 02:33:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA00745 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 02:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guava.blueberry.co.uk ([194.70.52.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA00726 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 02:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by guava.blueberry.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA08807 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:31:31 +0100 (BST) From: Nik Clayton Message-Id: <199606200931.KAA08807@guava.blueberry.co.uk> Subject: Daemon plushies in the UK To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:31:31 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi folks, Anyone else in the UK interested in getting one or more of the daemon plushies (who came up with that term anyway?) and ordering them in bulk to save on shipping costs? N -- --+=[ Blueberry Hill Blueberry Design ]=+-- --+=[ http://www.blueberry.co.uk/ 1/9 Chelsea Harbour Design Centre, ]=+-- --+=[ WebMaster@blueberry.co.uk London, England, SW10 0XE ]=+-- --+=[ I'm a 'control' freak. But I quite like 'meta' too. ]ENTP From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 20 13:33:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA06160 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aeffle.Stanford.EDU (sequence.Stanford.EDU [171.65.76.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA06136; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by aeffle.Stanford.EDU; id AA10979; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:33:32 -0700 Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:33:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Howard Lew To: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Cc: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" , freebsd-hardware@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cyrix and AMD chips In-Reply-To: <199606191216.IAA24229@shell.monmouth.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Bill/Carolyn Pechter wrote: > > > > > > >Can anyone comment on the stability of these chips? > > >It will be running FreeBSD-stable 2.1.0 > > > > AMD chips are awesome. They will work correctly with every > > motherboard that runs correctly with Intel chips. > > > > The new Cyrix 6x86 (Pentium replacement) is supposed to be a great > > chip from all I've read. It's definitely faster than a Pentium at the > > same clock speed (don't be fooled by the P-rating, though). I'm > > pretty temted to get one since it's a good alternative to Intel. > > > > AMD's K5 (their "6x86-ish" chip) is behind and is just coming out in > > 100MHz versions. I'm sure it'll be a great chip too when they can > > finally produce fast versions of them in large quantities. > > > > The Cyrix 5x86 sounds nice too. It actually has some design > > enhancements beyond a normal 486. (The "5x86" chips are designed for > > a 486 socket and motherboard.) The AMD 5x86 is just a 486DX4 with a > > 16K write-back cache and quad-clock instead of tripled clock. Still, > > it's a hellishly fast 486. The AMD 5x86 133MHz is supposed to be > > ~75MHz Pentium in performance. > > OK -- sounds great to me... I've got two 486/33's on older ISA Micronics > motherboards that need a shot in the arm (or a kick in the butt) > speedwise. These are 5 volt motherboards designed around the 486/33 > clock speed. Is there any guarantee that any of these chips will work > correctly. I've been told that the only thing that should work for sure > is the Intel 486DX2/66. > > I'd love to go to the AMD 586 -- anyone have any experience with these > in older motherboards with the Voltage Regulator sockets? > > Bill > I believe the 486DX2/66 is a 5V CPU. I believe the 5x86s are all 3 volt, so there's a potential problem. Need an adapter for that. Might also need to flash the bios. ---- || Shoppers Network BEST PRICES, FULLY x86 COMPATIBLE & FAST!!! || PO BOX 16627 Cyrix 686s now available! || San Francisco, CA 94116 Email - info@shoppersnet.com | ------------------------------> WWW - http://www2.shoppersnet.com -------------------------------> WWW - http://www.shoppersnet.com/shopping From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 20 14:41:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA11806 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-42-134.ut.nl.ibm.net [139.92.42.134]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11695; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:40:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA04017; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 22:15:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199606192015.WAA04017@vector.jhs.no_domain> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.jhs.no_domain: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Bill/Carolyn Pechter cc: michaelv@HeadCandy.com (Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com), freebsd-hardware@freefall.FreeBSD.org, freebsd-chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Cyrix and AMD chips From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany Phone: +49.89.268616 Fax: +49.89.2608126 (later) Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Mailer: EXMH 1.6.7, PGP available In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:16:15 EDT." <199606191216.IAA24229@shell.monmouth.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 22:15:42 +0200 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Reference: > From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter > Subject: Re: Cyrix and AMD chips > > > [Maybe] michaelv@HeadCandy.com (Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com) > > > > AMD chips are awesome. They will work correctly with every > > motherboard that runs correctly with Intel chips. Categorically Wrong ! 2 Gigabyte GA-486US came with Intel 486 33MHz, ran error free for years, on multiple OSs, but did not work with 2 pre-tested AMD 486-66 (npx probe failed on the Gigabyte boards), then systems did (& still do) work again with Intel 486-66. ( gj@freebsd.org was owner of other board at the time of test. Rod knew AMD part numbers. ) > I've been told that the only thing that should work for sure > is the Intel 486DX2/66. Probably a fairly good chance :-) I guessed our observed phenomena might have been something to do with the AMD having thinner power bus lines, & relying on a motherboard which was also thinner than ideal, & that could deliver enough power for a 33, but not for a 66, but I have nothing to prove that, Only certainty is: AMD chips are Not always plug compatible. Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 20 20:59:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA14303 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 20:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA14284 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 20:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA08694 for chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:01:58 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199606210431.OAA08694@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Oracle PowerBrowser To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:01:57 +0930 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anything know anything about it? I went to have a look and discovered it's a Windows-only product, and correspondingly filed a gripe. This was their response (pruned): Web-sup - Installation assistance for Oracle Products stands accused of saying: > From: "Web-sup - Installation assistance for Oracle Products" > To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au > Subject: Re: PowerBrowser > > Michael, > > Thank you for your comments. Look for the announcement by the 1st of the year. > > George Metz > Web Support -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 20 23:31:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA25938 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 23:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from portal.spi.net ([199.238.225.153]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA25914; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 23:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@MindBender.HeadCandy.com [199.238.225.168]) by portal.spi.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA01051; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 23:31:20 -0700 Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA01022; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 23:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606210631.XAA01022@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Howard Lew cc: Bill/Carolyn Pechter , freebsd-hardware@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cyrix and AMD chips In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 20 Jun 96 13:33:32 -0700. Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 23:31:17 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I believe the 486DX2/66 is a 5V CPU. I believe the 5x86s are all 3 volt, >so there's a potential problem. Need an adapter for that. Might also >need to flash the bios. I believe we've already covered that ground. At least implicitely. Just in case it was lost on anyone: all the current 486s (that I know of), including 5x86s, that are faster than 66MHz, are 3-volt CPUs. AMD made some 5-volt 486DX2 80MHz chips (including mine) for a short while, but switched those to 3-volts also. If you have an older motherboard, you need a 5-volt to 3-volt regulator module that sits between your CPU and the CPU socket. These generally cost $40-$50 from what I've seen. If you stick with a 66MHz or slower part, you probably won't run into this problem. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 20 23:57:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA27458 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 23:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from portal.spi.net ([199.238.225.153]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA27438; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 23:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@MindBender.HeadCandy.com [199.238.225.168]) by portal.spi.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA01077; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 23:57:26 -0700 Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA01085; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 23:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606210657.XAA01085@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Julian H. Stacey" cc: Bill/Carolyn Pechter , freebsd-hardware@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cyrix and AMD chips In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 19 Jun 96 22:15:42 +0200. <199606192015.WAA04017@vector.jhs.no_domain> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 23:57:24 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> >michaelv@HeadCandy.com (Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com) >> > AMD chips are awesome. They will work correctly with every >> > motherboard that runs correctly with Intel chips. >Categorically Wrong ! >2 Gigabyte GA-486US came with Intel 486 33MHz, ran error free for years, >on multiple OSs, but did not work with 2 pre-tested AMD 486-66 >(npx probe failed on the Gigabyte boards), >then systems did (& still do) work again with Intel 486-66. How long ago was this? I know there were some very early chips that had some sort of FPU bug, or something similar, that would show up under demanding situations. But those should have been flushed out of the channel *long* ago. Otherwise, this is the first case I've heard of this. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 21 08:44:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA20885 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 08:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maki.wwa.com (maki.wwa.com [198.49.174.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA20880 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 08:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wendigo.trans.sni-usa.com by maki.wwa.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0uX8NY-000rPRC; Fri, 21 Jun 96 10:44 CDT Received: from vogon.trans.sni-usa.com (vogon [136.157.83.215]) by wendigo.trans.sni-usa.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA26518 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:40:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shyam.trans.sni-usa.com (shyam.trans.sni-usa.com [136.157.82.43]) by vogon.trans.sni-usa.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA25041 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:52:00 -0500 From: hal@snitt.com (Hal Snyder) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: socket++ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:44:52 GMT Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Transportation Technologies Message-ID: <31cac243.753604341@vogon.trans.sni-usa.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk While looking for C++ tools to do socket-level programming, I came across socket++, by Gnanasekaran Swaminathan . This library was apparently on prep.ai.mit.edu for awhile, but now appears only at www.asset.com. It compiled with just a couple little changes on FreeBSD 2.1R with g++. Question: is there something better available now? Is socket++ deprecated? [I looked at ACE at wustl but that seems like massive overkill for what I want to do.] From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 21 16:35:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA12037 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 16:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA12032 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 16:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA23454 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 16:35:17 -0700 Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-2) with ESMTP id XAA14724; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 23:02:33 +0100 (BST) To: Michael Smith cc: chat@freebsd.org From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Oracle PowerBrowser In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:01:57 +0930." <199606210431.OAA08694@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 23:02:31 +0100 Message-ID: <14722.835394551@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith wrote in message ID <199606210431.OAA08694@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au>: > > Michael, > > Thank you for your comments. Look for the announcement by the 1st of the year. *WHICH* year :-) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 22 04:33:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA19449 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 04:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA19438; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 04:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA13781; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 21:36:49 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199606221206.VAA13781@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: FreeBSD support in Northern Sweden? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 21:36:48 +0930 (CST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry for the splatter, but as there isn't a 'freebsd-consultants' list, this is the best place I could think of to ask. We'll be installing a number of FreeBSD systems with a customer in northern Sweden (just out of Kiruna, to be exact), and I'd like to be able to point them at someone closer than Australia for day-to-day support issues. I don't expect that there'll be much involved in the first instance, and naturally we'd be there to fall back on for anything involving our product. There's a good chance that we'll be installing other sites in northern Europe, so any contacts in the area would be of interest to us. If this interests you, please _email_ me (don't cc: the lists). Thanks. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 22 19:43:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA24785 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 19:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA24776 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 19:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA07214; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 19:43:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606230243.TAA07214@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: tech@cdrom.com cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: wcarchive just a little busy From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@root.com Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 19:43:31 -0700 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I thought this was amusing: [wcarchive:davidg] w 7:35PM up 19:19, 7 users, load averages: 211.31, 123.48, 96.91 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT davidg p0 agora.rdrop.com Sat12AM 1:20 netstat -I de0 -b -w 10 davidg p1 agora.rdrop.com Sat03AM 2:32 -tcsh (tcsh) rab p2 turtle Sat04AM 13:20 -tcsh (tcsh) brian p4 phantom Sat03PM 3 -tcsh (tcsh) davidg p6 nano.root.com Sat04PM 2:32 -su -m (tcsh) davidg p7 nano.root.com Sat04PM 2:38 -tcsh (tcsh) davidg pc X.root.com 5:24PM - w The sustained bytes output rate is also about 20-25Mbps with 10 second peaks at over 30Mbps. This is with about 1020 ftp users. It's by far the highest load I've seen on the machine. A new version of Quake was released today, and it appears that everyone is trying to get a copy. I shudder to think of what the load is going to be like when new versions of FreeBSD and Slackware are released simultaneously during the first week of July. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 22 23:17:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA04051 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA04046 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA07547; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606230616.XAA07547@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: tech@cdrom.com cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: update on wcarchive load From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@root.com Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:16:55 -0700 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It turns out that wu-ftpd has a bug in it that causes the anonymous ftp limit to be escentially ignored if it is set to >1024 users. After a little checking, I discovered that the _actual_ number of users on wcarchive was peaking at over 1800 users (the limit is supposed to be 1250). This explains why the load average took off into the stratusphere - there wasn't enough memory for this many users and the machine was paging heavily. This also resulted once in running out of the 16384 mbuf clusters I have configured in the kernel - resulting in about 20000 input errors on the ethernet. I had previously thought this was caused by an apparant cabling problem that I had seen in previous days...but not this time. Anyway, 1800 users actually reduces performance and was causing wild swings in the output data rate. Now that I've toned it back to 1250 users, the machine is MUCH happier. :-) -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project