From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 8 05:17:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id FAA08815 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 05:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de (zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id FAA08810 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 05:17:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [195.52.251.6] (apfel.nacamar.de [195.52.251.6]) by zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de (8.7.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA18928 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 14:17:33 +0100 (MET) X-Sender: michael@mail.zit.th-darmstadt.de (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 14:17:25 +0100 To: hardware@freebsd.org From: Michael Beckmann Subject: Tyan Tomcat ? 256 MB RAM ? DIMMs ? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I was considering the Tyan Tomcat mainboard for a machine with more-than-average RAM. The mainboard manual claims it can accomodate 8 x 32 MB SIMMs, but I'm not sure if I believe that. Has anyone tried that out ? 32 MB SIMMs are usually double-sided. If it could accept 6 of the 32 MB SIMMs, that would be OK for me, too. What do all you people do who want 256 MB RAM in their machines ? Do you use 64 MB PS/2 SIMMs ? These are a bit hard to get, and more expensive than the comparable number of 32 MB SIMMs. I also haven't found a source of 64 MB EDO SIMMs at all, only FPM. Anybody know of a decent mainboard that can accomodate at least 4 x 64 MB DIMMs ? All the mainboards with DIMM sockets I know have no more than 2 of them. Cheers, Michael From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 8 06:24:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA11870 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 06:24:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from watt.cae.uwm.edu (hench@watt.cae.uwm.edu [129.89.52.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id GAA11864 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 06:24:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hench@localhost) by watt.cae.uwm.edu (8.8.3/8.6.12) id IAA08787; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 08:23:58 -0600 From: Mike Hench Message-Id: <199612081423.IAA08787@watt.cae.uwm.edu> Subject: Re: Tyan Tomcat ? 256 MB RAM ? DIMMs ? To: petzi@apfel.de (Michael Beckmann) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 08:23:58 -0600 (CST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Michael Beckmann" at Dec 8, 96 02:17:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hello, > > I was considering the Tyan Tomcat mainboard for a machine with > more-than-average RAM. The mainboard manual claims it can accomodate 8 x 32 > MB SIMMs, but I'm not sure if I believe that. Has anyone tried that out ? > 32 MB SIMMs are usually double-sided. If it could accept 6 of the 32 MB > SIMMs, that would be OK for me, too. > i run 256 meg (8 32 meg simms) edo. (lowest bid stuff, evergreen tech i think i got it from) in my tomcat without any problems at all. dont forget to get the additional goofy tag ram chip because the board will almost certainly ship with a coast with 1 tag ram (and hence can only cache the first 64 meg) bios ships configured for 70 ns dont forget to change that. mike hench hench@cae.uwm.edu > Cheers, > > Michael From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 8 08:48:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA16957 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 08:48:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from lugh.kerris.com (lugh.kerris.com [142.77.242.145]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA16951 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 08:48:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mkerr@localhost) by lugh.kerris.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA02326; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 11:51:04 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 11:51:04 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Kerr To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: CDROM Compatibility Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm looking at buying a new system which is pre-bundled. The ones I've looked at have some of the newer 6x-10x drives by NEC, Panasonic, Sony, and Acer. Some of the NEC drives are the 4x4 versions (4x, 4-CD changer). Does anybody know if any of them are compatible with FreeBSD, or any drivers have been released? The 2.1-RELEASE version I have (January) doesn't mention any of them on the back cover compatibility list, so I was hoping something had been added in the interim. Mike. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Mike Kerr | http://www.net/~mkerr Kerr Information Systems | http://www.kerris.com/ mkerr@kerris.com | Web Guy, etc. From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 8 14:15:31 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA26416 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 14:15:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from nexgen.HiWAAY.net (max1-169.HiWAAY.net [206.104.21.169]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA26411 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 14:15:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from nexgen.HiWAAY.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nexgen.HiWAAY.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA22742; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 16:14:46 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199612082214.QAA22742@nexgen.HiWAAY.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Michael Beckmann cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tyan Tomcat ? 256 MB RAM ? DIMMs ? In-reply-to: Message from Michael Beckmann of "Sun, 08 Dec 1996 14:17:25 +0100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 16:14:45 -0600 From: David Kelly Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Beckmann writes: > > What do all you people do who want 256 MB RAM in their machines ? Do you > use 64 MB PS/2 SIMMs ? These are a bit hard to get, and more expensive than > the comparable number of 32 MB SIMMs. I also haven't found a source of 64 > MB EDO SIMMs at all, only FPM. IMHO, especially when you are dealing with 256M of RAM, buy FPM w/ parity. The possible performance boost of EDO isn't worth the loss of error checking. If you'll take a bit of a performance hit the Tomcat I will do error correction on its memory. Others have posted to the FreeBSD lists that it is very difficult to quantify a performance gain with EDO memory. Possibly EDO memory with parity would be the best of all worlds, and also the hardest to find. Think Micron might actually offer EDO w/parity. And while on the parity issue, make sure you buy "real parity" and not "logic parity" or "virtual parity." Some "genius" designed an asic to guess the 4 parity bits, and some vendors actually sell that junk. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 8 15:12:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA28893 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 15:12:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from proxy1.ba.best.com (root@proxy1.ba.best.com [206.184.139.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA28888 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 15:12:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by proxy1.ba.best.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA23855; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 15:09:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 15:09:34 -0800 (PST) From: Amanda Chou To: Michael Beckmann cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tyan Tomcat ? 256 MB RAM ? DIMMs ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hello, > > I was considering the Tyan Tomcat mainboard for a machine with > more-than-average RAM. The mainboard manual claims it can accomodate 8 x 32 > MB SIMMs, but I'm not sure if I believe that. Has anyone tried that out ? > 32 MB SIMMs are usually double-sided. If it could accept 6 of the 32 MB > SIMMs, that would be OK for me, too. You might wanna give Tyan Tomcat III a try. I use 4 8x36-60 SIMMS (128MB total) and it's perfectly happy; it automatically detects the amount of RAM on the board, so there's no extra work for you. Even though Tomcat I claims it can work up to 512MB RAM with a Tag RAM and modifying two jumper settings, it's a lot of pain and I was only able to get it work with 8 4x32 EDO RAM but not 4 8x36 parity RAM. Amanda From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 8 15:15:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA29095 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 15:15:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (root@proxy2.ba.best.com [206.184.139.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA29090 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 15:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA13208; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 15:12:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 15:12:50 -0800 (PST) From: Amanda Chou To: Mike Kerr cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDROM Compatibility In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm looking at buying a new system which is pre-bundled. The ones I've > looked at have some of the newer 6x-10x drives by NEC, Panasonic, Sony, and > Acer. Some of the NEC drives are the 4x4 versions (4x, 4-CD changer). > > Does anybody know if any of them are compatible with FreeBSD, or any > drivers have been released? The 2.1-RELEASE version I have (January) > doesn't mention any of them on the back cover compatibility list, so I > was hoping something had been added in the interim. I think as far as you're using a SCSI CD-ROM drive, brand shouldn't be a big issue. > Mike. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Mike Kerr | http://www.net/~mkerr > Kerr Information Systems | http://www.kerris.com/ > mkerr@kerris.com | Web Guy, etc. > > Amanda From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 8 19:18:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA16827 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 19:18:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.xtalwind.net (slipper18a.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.85]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA16808 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 19:18:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zeus.xtalwind.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA00781 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 22:18:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 22:18:22 -0500 (EST) From: jack X-Sender: jack@localhost To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Exabyte eagle TR-3 tape drive Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone had any experience, good, bad, or otherwise, with this drive and FreeBSD. (I know, I know it's floppy based but for ~$150 for a home system.) TIA -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Finger jacko@diamond.xtalwind.net or jack@xtalwind.net http://www.xtalwind.net/~jacko/pubpgp.html #include for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 9 05:16:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id FAA02732 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 05:16:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from nimbus.superior.net (root@nimbus.superior.net [206.153.96.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id FAA02727 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 05:16:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from exidor@localhost) by nimbus.superior.net (8.7.6/8.7.5) id IAA00190; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:16:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199612091316.IAA00190@nimbus.superior.net> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:16:33 -0500 From: exidor@superior.net (Christopher Masto) To: jack@diamond.xtalwind.net (jack) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Exabyte eagle TR-3 tape drive References: X-Mailer: Mutt 0.48.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: ; from jack on Dec 8, 1996 22:18:22 -0500 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk jack writes: > Anyone had any experience, good, bad, or otherwise, with this drive and > FreeBSD. (I know, I know it's floppy based but for ~$150 for a home > system.) I happen to have this drive, which is very well-built and quiet (compared to the other TR-3 drive I looked at (Iomega)). It works nicely under Windows with the included accelerator card, and I've been meaning to ask this same question. If nobody is already doing it, I might take a crack at getting the information from Exabyte to work on a driver. -- Christopher Masto . . . . Superior Net Support: support@superior.net chris@masto.com . . . . . Masto Consulting: info@masto.com On Nature, Improving: It's unfair that it remain empty and unspoiled. - Hugh Stone, developer of a proposed subdivision, on delays in permits to - begin construction. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 9 06:55:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA06669 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 06:55:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from serv1.zsb.th-darmstadt.de (serv1.zsb.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id GAA06545 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 06:55:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (petzi@localhost) by serv1.zsb.th-darmstadt.de (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id PAA22100; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:55:30 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:55:30 +0100 (MET) From: Michael Beckmann X-Sender: petzi@serv1.zsb.th-darmstadt.de To: David Kelly cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tyan Tomcat ? 256 MB RAM ? DIMMs ? In-Reply-To: <199612082214.QAA22742@nexgen.HiWAAY.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, David Kelly wrote: > IMHO, especially when you are dealing with 256M of RAM, buy FPM w/ parity. The possible performance boost of EDO isn't worth the loss of error checking. If you'll take a bit of a performance hit the Tomcat I will do error correction on its memory. > > Others have posted to the FreeBSD lists that it is very difficult to quantify a performance gain with EDO memory. Hmm, I am aware that there is only a small performance gain in EDO RAMs; but many modern mainboards only support 4-3-3-3 burst with FPM, and e.g. 4-2-2-2 burst with EDO; and that should make a difference, IMHO. EDO is, however, not my primary interest, I would rather have a mainboard with 4 - 8 DIMM slots, for standard 64 MB DIMMs as they are used in Macintoshes, Suns etc. These are available everywhere for reasonable prices. For the time being, however, a mainboard that can accept 8 x 32 MB PS/2 modules would be just fine. Cheers, Michael From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 9 18:27:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA26455 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 18:27:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (0@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.110.29]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA26445 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 18:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (15005@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.4/8.6.10) with SMTP id SAA19404; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 18:27:19 -0800 (PST) From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Message-Id: <199612100227.SAA19404@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: passer.osg.gov.bc.ca: 15005@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol Reply-to: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca X-Mailer: MH X-Sender: cschuber To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org cc: cy@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca Subject: Will FreeBSD Run on This? Date: Mon, 09 Dec 96 18:27:18 -0800 X-Mts: smtp Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk One of the local computer outlets here in Victoria, BC, has a special trade-up push-pull-or-drag sale. (The plan is to trade an old 286 machine in for the Pentium promotion). The deal is; 120 MHz Pentium, with 8 MB memory (if I decide to go ahead with the deal I will have 32 MB installed), a 1 GB EIDE, a 3.5 inch floppy drive, an S3 card, and a Micro$oft keyboard, all in a 13 inch tower case. Does FreeBSD work with EIDE drives? Is there anything I need to watch for? Does anyone have any experience with the S3 card? How well does it work with X? Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert OV/VM: BCSC02(CSCHUBER) Open Systems Support BITNET: CSCHUBER@BCSC02.BITNET ITSD Internet: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca cschuber@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca "Quit spooling around, JES do it." From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 9 18:53:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA28950 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 18:53:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA28940 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 18:53:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id NAA12546; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:22:36 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199612100252.NAA12546@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Will FreeBSD Run on This? In-Reply-To: <199612100227.SAA19404@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> from Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group at "Dec 9, 96 06:27:18 pm" To: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:22:35 +1030 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, cy@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group stands accused of saying: > > 120 MHz Pentium, with 8 MB memory (if I decide to go ahead with the deal > I will have 32 MB installed), a 1 GB EIDE, a 3.5 inch floppy drive, an > S3 card, and a Micro$oft keyboard, all in a 13 inch tower case. > > Does FreeBSD work with EIDE drives? Is there anything I need to watch for? Not really; it'll perform quite well. I still find swapping to an IDE drive feels less responsive than to a SCSI drive, but the aim is, after all, not to swap 8) > Does anyone have any experience with the S3 card? How well does it work > with X? S3 cards and X get along really well; we use them exclusively. > Cy Schubert OV/VM: BCSC02(CSCHUBER) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 9 19:42:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA03075 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 19:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA03069 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 19:42:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca13-17.ix.netcom.com [204.32.168.49]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA03140; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 19:41:35 -0800 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA20767; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 19:41:32 -0800 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 19:41:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199612100341.TAA20767@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca CC: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, cy@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca In-reply-to: <199612100227.SAA19404@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> (message from Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group on Mon, 09 Dec 96 18:27:18 -0800) Subject: Re: Will FreeBSD Run on This? From: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * S3 card, and a Micro$oft keyboard, all in a 13 inch tower case. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If this is the "Natural", swap this at all costs. It is the worst keyboard in the world, but I won't bore you with the details (I can write a 100-line message describing all the things that's bad about it...). Satoshi (sorry for the non-FreeBSD related message) From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 9 19:54:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA04182 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 19:54:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA04173; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 19:54:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id OAA13043; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:24:48 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199612100354.OAA13043@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Will FreeBSD Run on This? In-Reply-To: <199612100341.TAA20767@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> from Satoshi Asami at "Dec 9, 96 07:41:32 pm" To: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi Asami) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:24:47 +1030 (CST) Cc: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, cy@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Satoshi Asami stands accused of saying: > * S3 card, and a Micro$oft keyboard, all in a 13 inch tower case. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > If this is the "Natural", swap this at all costs. It is the worst > keyboard in the world, but I won't bore you with the details (I can > write a 100-line message describing all the things that's bad about > it...). Oops, yes, concur! I bought one as an experiment; it was horrible (yes, I spent several weeks trying it out), and has only made my wrists worse 8( > Satoshi (sorry for the non-FreeBSD related message) Not at all; if we intend to survive to work on FreeBSD, extermination of those stupid keyboards is a must! -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 9 21:05:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA10840 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 21:05:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA10833; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 21:05:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA05805; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 22:05:02 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 22:05:02 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199612100505.WAA05805@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi Asami) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Will FreeBSD Run on This? In-Reply-To: <199612100341.TAA20767@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> References: <199612100227.SAA19404@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> <199612100341.TAA20767@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > * S3 card, and a Micro$oft keyboard, all in a 13 inch tower case. > > If this is the "Natural", swap this at all costs. It is the worst > keyboard in the world, but I won't bore you with the details (I can > write a 100-line message describing all the things that's bad about > it...). To be honest, I actually really *like* mine. It took me about 2 weeks of hard-core using it to get used to it, but now that I've used for almost 2 months now I no longer have the wrist-pain I used to get regularly. (A happy M$-Natural owner). Nate From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 9 21:26:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA13006 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 21:26:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA12985; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 21:26:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id VAA16609; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 21:25:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA20842; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 21:24:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199612100524.VAA20842@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Michael Smith cc: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi Asami), cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, cy@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca Subject: Re: Will FreeBSD Run on This? In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 10 Dec 96 14:24:47 +1030. <199612100354.OAA13043@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 21:24:00 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Satoshi Asami stands accused of saying: >> * S3 card, and a Micro$oft keyboard, all in a 13 inch tower case. >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> If this is the "Natural", swap this at all costs. It is the worst >> keyboard in the world, but I won't bore you with the details (I can >> write a 100-line message describing all the things that's bad about >> it...). >Oops, yes, concur! I bought one as an experiment; it was horrible >(yes, I spent several weeks trying it out), and has only made my >wrists worse 8( >> Satoshi (sorry for the non-FreeBSD related message) >Not at all; if we intend to survive to work on FreeBSD, extermination >of those stupid keyboards is a must! Well, if you're going to perpetuate it, I'm sorry but I have to chime in. Exterminate your own keyboard, because I happen to like them quite a bit. I am a fast touch typist, and I find "standard" keyboards very UNnatural, thank you very much. Not my problem if you can't type on one. Keep your politics off my keyboard. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 9 22:04:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA17048 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 22:04:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA17037 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 22:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca13-17.ix.netcom.com [204.32.168.49]) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA12687; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 22:03:50 -0800 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA26778; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 22:03:47 -0800 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 22:03:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199612100603.WAA26778@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: nate@mt.sri.com CC: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199612100505.WAA05805@rocky.mt.sri.com> (message from Nate Williams on Mon, 9 Dec 1996 22:05:02 -0700 (MST)) Subject: Re: Will FreeBSD Run on This? From: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * To be honest, I actually really *like* mine. It took me about 2 weeks * of hard-core using it to get used to it, but now that I've used for * almost 2 months now I no longer have the wrist-pain I used to get * regularly. Well, I'm not going to get into a lengthy discussion about why I don't like the Natural, but just let me point out that the reason why I can't use it is not because I can't get used to "unnatural" keyboards. I usually use the Kinesis Ergonomic (sells around $199 in Bay Area Fry's these days), which is a much more warped design than the Natural, and it only took me about 2 days to get used to it. Satoshi P.S. However, I don't think I could have ever gotten used to hitting the "6" key with my left hand.... From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 9 23:33:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA24887 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:33:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA24881; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:33:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA22901; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:33:32 -0800 (PST) To: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi Asami) cc: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, cy@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca Subject: Re: Will FreeBSD Run on This? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Dec 1996 19:41:32 PST." <199612100341.TAA20767@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 23:33:32 -0800 Message-ID: <22897.850203212@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > If this is the "Natural", swap this at all costs. It is the worst > keyboard in the world, but I won't bore you with the details (I can > write a 100-line message describing all the things that's bad about > it...). [jkh looks around furtively] "Uh. I have a Microsoft Natural Keyboard. I.. *ahem*. I like it. I can type about 30% faster on the thing as a reasonably competent touch-typist since the keys are more strategically positioned for my fingers. I hate normal flat keyboards now." So there. Pbbblt! ;-) From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 9 23:38:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA25279 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:38:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA25273 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:37:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA15216; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:36:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199612100736.XAA15216@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Tyan Tomcat ? 256 MB RAM ? DIMMs ? In-Reply-To: from Michael Beckmann at "Dec 9, 96 03:55:30 pm" To: petzi@apfel.de (Michael Beckmann) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:36:46 -0800 (PST) Cc: dkelly@nexgen.HiWAAY.net, hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, David Kelly wrote: > > > IMHO, especially when you are dealing with 256M of RAM, buy FPM w/ > parity. The possible performance boost of EDO isn't worth the loss of > error checking. If you'll take a bit of a performance hit the Tomcat I > will do error correction on its memory. > > > > Others have posted to the FreeBSD lists that it is very difficult to > quantify a performance gain with EDO memory. > > Hmm, I am aware that there is only a small performance gain in EDO RAMs; > but many modern mainboards only support 4-3-3-3 burst with FPM, and e.g. > 4-2-2-2 burst with EDO; and that should make a difference, IMHO. Yea, okay, so EDO has a shorter burst timing, but that ONLY applies when you miss the L2 cache. Give a 85%+ L2 cache hit rate that means you get a 33% increase on 15% of your memory references (and ONLY if the CPU does a burst access, which is rare on a cache miss situation), best case number is 33% * 15% == 5%, actual measured test data using ``FreeBSD make world'' as a test case is less than 1%. One place I have heard that EDO really does make a difference is on bus mastered PCI access to main memory from things like video capture cards like the Matrox Meteor, and that is because these are not cached cycles, but other than that 1 exception I have not seen any ``real world'' or ``synthetic benchmarks'' that show EDO giving you more than a 1% performance increase. (oopppss.. if you don't have an L2 cache EDO is a real _BIG_ win, but then, who runs without L2 cache!!!) Folks, EDO is a joke, youv'e been sold a bunch of marking hype... > EDO is, however, not my primary interest, I would rather have a mainboard > with 4 - 8 DIMM slots, for standard 64 MB DIMMs as they are used in > Macintoshes, Suns etc. These are available everywhere for reasonable > prices. For the time being, however, a mainboard that can accept 8 x 32 MB > PS/2 modules would be just fine. > > Cheers, > > Michael > > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 9 23:58:49 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA26788 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:58:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ravenock.cybercity.dk (ravenock.cybercity.dk [194.16.57.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA26781; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:58:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by ravenock.cybercity.dk (8.8.3/8.7.3) id JAA05075; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 09:02:20 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199612100802.JAA05075@ravenock.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: Will FreeBSD Run on This? In-Reply-To: <199612100505.WAA05805@rocky.mt.sri.com> from Nate Williams at "Dec 9, 96 10:05:02 pm" To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 09:02:20 +0100 (MET) Cc: asami@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: sos@freebsd.org Reply-to: sos@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Nate Williams who wrote: > > * S3 card, and a Micro$oft keyboard, all in a 13 inch tower case. > > > > If this is the "Natural", swap this at all costs. It is the worst > > keyboard in the world, but I won't bore you with the details (I can > > write a 100-line message describing all the things that's bad about > > it...). > > To be honest, I actually really *like* mine. It took me about 2 weeks > of hard-core using it to get used to it, but now that I've used for > almost 2 months now I no longer have the wrist-pain I used to get > regularly. Hmm, I have an idea for all of you: Think more and (re)code less :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 10 06:42:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA05321 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 06:42:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from charlotte.spiders.com (charlotte.spiders.com [199.224.7.188]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id GAA05314 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 06:42:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gwh@localhost) by charlotte.spiders.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA17416; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 09:39:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199612101439.JAA17416@charlotte.spiders.com> From: gwh@spiders.com (Gene W Homicki) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 09:39:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Rodney W. Grimes"'s message as of Dec 9, 23:36 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: "Rodney W. Grimes" , petzi@apfel.de (Michael Beckmann) Subject: Re: Tyan Tomcat ? 256 MB RAM ? DIMMs ? Cc: dkelly@nexgen.HiWAAY.net, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk +--- | Folks, EDO is a joke, youv'e been sold a bunch of marking hype... +--- Actually, the rest of the world has, and now EDO RAM is less expensive than non-EDO (unless comparing EDO parity vs FPM parity). So, when not getting parity RAM, it certainly doesn't hurt to get less expensive, very very slightly faster EDO RAM. --Gene -- Gene W. Homicki gwh@spiders.com Objective Consulting, Inc. http://www.spiders.com/ Internet Presence Design voice: +1 914.524.4151 From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 10 07:17:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA07592 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 07:17:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA07587 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 07:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id JAA02590 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 09:17:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 09:17:51 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199612101517.JAA02590@plains.nodak.edu> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Will FreeBSD Run on This? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > If this is the "Natural", swap this at all costs. It is the worst > keyboard in the world, but I won't bore you with the details (I can there are M$ "Natural" clones that have better feeling key feedbacks and are cheaper also. I think this opinion-fest on keyboards is important to the original question about purchasing a computer. compatibility with the software is important first step; then you have to enjoy using those parts; and finally those parts should not be dangerous over long term use. Input and output devices are hard to buy from a photo. Use the devices (keyboard, mouse, monitor) you are interested in buying before buying. --mark. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 10 08:12:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA10127 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 08:12:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA10104; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 08:12:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id LAA00597; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:10:01 -0500 Received: from dasa(192.2.2.199) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id smaa00590; Tue Dec 10 11:09:52 1996 Received: from DASA/SpoolDir by dasa.ppi.com (Mercury 1.21); 10 Dec 96 11:10:35 +0500 Received: from SpoolDir by DASA (Mercury 1.30); 10 Dec 96 11:10:20 +0500 From: "David Alderman" Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami), freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:10:16 +0500 Subject: Re: Will FreeBSD Run on This? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <4C95BD4267A@dasa.ppi.com> Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Well, I'm not going to get into a lengthy discussion about why I don't > like the Natural, but just let me point out that the reason why I > can't use it is not because I can't get used to "unnatural" keyboards. > I usually use the Kinesis Ergonomic (sells around $199 in Bay Area > Fry's these days), which is a much more warped design than the > Natural, and it only took me about 2 days to get used to it. > > Satoshi > I really don't want to discuss the ergo-political issues on this keyboard but I was wondering if you have had any problem with the keyboard other than ergonomics. Did you have any hardware/scancode problems? Thanks. ====================================== When philosophy conflicts with reality, choose reality. Dave Alderman -- dave@persprog.com ====================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 10 10:01:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA18174 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:01:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from boom.vars.com (boom.BSDI.COM [205.230.226.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA18167; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:01:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from boom.vars.com (localhost.vars.com [127.0.0.1]) by boom.vars.com (8.8.2/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA15295; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:00:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199612101800.LAA15295@boom.vars.com> To: "David Alderman" cc: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi Asami), freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Will FreeBSD Run on This? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:10:16 +0500." <4C95BD4267A@dasa.ppi.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:00:53 -0700 From: Eric Varsanyi Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Well, I'm not going to get into a lengthy discussion about why I don't >> like the Natural, but just let me point out that the reason why I >> can't use it is not because I can't get used to "unnatural" keyboards. >> I usually use the Kinesis Ergonomic (sells around $199 in Bay Area >> Fry's these days), which is a much more warped design than the >> Natural, and it only took me about 2 days to get used to it. >> >> Satoshi >> > >I really don't want to discuss the ergo-political issues on this >keyboard but I was wondering if you have had any problem with the >keyboard other than ergonomics. Did you have any hardware/scancode >problems? I've been using the M$ keyboard with X for 2 years or so. Its great except for the arrow keys and keypad being completely out of standard reach (there is no way to get to them without contorting the wrist). Since I use vi this doesn't really matter too much. The 'Windows' and 'File' keys generate scan codes that I map to window manager functions in fvwm. Xinside didn't recognize and report the scan codes originally but they fixed that somewhere along the line. I glued an ALPS 3 button glidepoint pad right below the spacebar so my thumbs do mousing/clicking without bending my wrists out of position. The keys feel a little mushy (?), sometimes you have to hit pretty hard to get it to register. I tried another similar keyboard (have seen it under various brand names) with the mousepad built in (under the arrow keys) and the M$ layout - it had a much nicer key feel (there is a tactile click when pressing down) but the mouse pad was in the worst imaginable position (you had to bend your wrists far or move your whole upper body to get to it). If you don't care about the mouse I would go for this other keyboard based on key feel. -Eric From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 10 14:06:37 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA05904 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:06:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from deputy.pavilion.co.uk (deputy.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.128.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA05873 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:06:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from c493.tgb.toyota.co.uk (tgb-isd.demon.co.uk [194.222.88.26]) by deputy.pavilion.co.uk (8.7/8.7) with SMTP id WAA20717 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 22:05:42 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 22:05:42 GMT Message-Id: <199612102205.WAA20717@deputy.pavilion.co.uk> X-Sender: aledm@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: hardware@freebsd.org From: Aled Morris Subject: Adaptec 7880 install problem Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a problem with the onboard SCSI adaptor on a newly purchased system which I hope to run 2.1.5-RELEASE on. The adaptor claims to be an Adaptec Ultra/Ultra W BIOS v1.22S2Beta0001 and I have a couple of Wide Seagate Barracudas (2Gb) and a Panasonic CD-ROM attached. Using the standard boot floppy, with "-v" I get the following messages (copied by hand as they flew past!): ahc0: rev 0 int a irq 11 on pci0:11 mapreg[10] type=1 addr=00006000 size=0100 mapreg[14] type=0 addr=f0000000 size=1000 ahc0: reading SEEPROM ahc0: aic7880 Single Channel, SCSI id=7, 1 SCBs ahc0: Reseting Channel A ahc0: Downloading Sequencer Program...done ahc0: Probing Channel A ahc0 waiting for SCSI devices to settle All I get after this is a stream of identical messages: ahc0: ahc_intr - referenced scb no valid during scsiint 0x88 scb(255) Any ideas? I can't get any further than the boot floppy, so I don't have much debugging capability. Aled -- telephone +44 973 207987 O- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 10 15:05:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA09795 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:05:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (root@cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.2.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA09787 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:05:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.3/8.7.3) id VAA23204; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 21:04:01 -0200 (EDT) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199612102304.VAA23204@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: Tyan Tomcat ? 256 MB RAM ? DIMMs ? To: gwh@spiders.com (Gene W Homicki) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 21:04:01 -0200 (EDT) Cc: rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com, petzi@apfel.de, dkelly@nexgen.HiWAAY.net, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199612101439.JAA17416@charlotte.spiders.com> from Gene W Homicki at "Dec 10, 96 09:39:37 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk #define quoting(Gene W Homicki) // +--- // | Folks, EDO is a joke, youv'e been sold a bunch of marking hype... // +--- // // Actually, the rest of the world has, and now EDO RAM is less // expensive than non-EDO (unless comparing EDO parity vs FPM parity). Where can you find EDO-parity RAMs ? I've never seen it before. And worst. Here in Brasil vendors keep saying that parity RAM is not anymore being produced. Blargh. :( If they only knew something called internet... :) // So, when not getting parity RAM, it certainly doesn't hurt to get // less expensive, very very slightly faster EDO RAM. Parity RuLeZ. :) // // // --Gene // // // -- // Gene W. Homicki gwh@spiders.com // Objective Consulting, Inc. http://www.spiders.com/ // Internet Presence Design voice: +1 914.524.4151 // Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 ( Job ) jonny@cisi.coppe.ufrj.br Network Manager UFRJ/COPPE/CISI Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 10 16:23:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA15573 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:23:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA15566 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:23:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca18-18.ix.netcom.com [204.32.168.210]) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA20601; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:22:45 -0800 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.4/8.6.9) id QAA16112; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:22:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:22:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199612110022.QAA16112@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: tinguely@plains.nodak.edu CC: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199612101517.JAA02590@plains.nodak.edu> (message from Mark Tinguely on Tue, 10 Dec 1996 09:17:51 -0600 (CST)) Subject: Re: Will FreeBSD Run on This? From: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * there are M$ "Natural" clones that have better feeling key feedbacks and * are cheaper also. Yeah, I have seen one with the `6' key in the right place and also a much better keytouch. * I think this opinion-fest on keyboards is important to the original question * about purchasing a computer. compatibility with the software is important * first step; then you have to enjoy using those parts; and finally those parts * should not be dangerous over long term use. Amen! * Input and output devices are hard to buy from a photo. Use the devices * (keyboard, mouse, monitor) you are interested in buying before buying. Well, I bought my Kinesis Ergonomic without ever using it first -- I saw the picture and immediately impressed with the design. The didn't sell it through retail channels back then (3 years ago), so I couldn't check the springs and stuff anyway -- but I just trusted them 'cause I believed that being a keyboard-only company, they would have gone out of business a long time ago if they made expensive keyboards with lousy keytouch. ;) * --mark. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 10 18:15:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA25996 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from unlisys.unlisys.NET (unlisys.unlisys.net [194.64.15.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA25983 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:15:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by unlisys.unlisys.NET (Smail3.2 [@@]) id m0vXeCP-0017o7C; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 03:15:05 +0100 (MET) Received: by gerry (8.6.9/1.34) id VAA15935; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 21:46:24 +0100 From: tomz@gerry.snafu.de (Thomas Zaenker) Message-Id: <199612102046.VAA15935@gerry> Subject: XServer-HW-Support? To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 21:46:23 -40962758 (MET) Cc: tomz@unlisys.NET (Thomas Zaenker) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hallo, I'm going to get a PCI graphik board for my FreeBSD- and netbsd- Systems running on my PCs. Can anyone recommend me one of the following boards that are offered this time by my local supplier: - miroMedis View 2MB, PCI - miroVideo 22SD 2MB, PCI - Matrox Mystique 2MB, PCI - Elsa Winner 1000, 2MB DRam, PCI - Diamond Stealth 64V/ 3D, 2MB EDO, PCI - CM Rocket 3D 2MB / 4MB, PCI - CM Rocket 64pro Trio64V 2MB, PCI - ATI Wincharger 2MB, PCI or where can I get the information of the graphik hardware support of the available X-Servers in both systems. Thanks Tom -- Thomas Zaenker Tel. : +49 (030) 24720463 Krautstr. 27 Fax. : +49 (030) 24720464 10243 Berlin email: tomz@gerry.snafu.de Germany From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 10 18:36:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA28478 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:36:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA28466 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:36:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id NAA21277; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:05:57 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199612110235.NAA21277@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: XServer-HW-Support? In-Reply-To: <199612102046.VAA15935@gerry> from Thomas Zaenker at "Dec 10, 96 09:46:23 pm" To: tomz@gerry.snafu.de (Thomas Zaenker) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:05:56 +1030 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, tomz@unlisys.NET X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thomas Zaenker stands accused of saying: > > I'm going to get a PCI graphik board for my FreeBSD- and netbsd- Systems > running on my PCs. Can anyone recommend me one of the following boards that > are offered this time by my local supplier: > > - miroMedis View 2MB, PCI > - miroVideo 22SD 2MB, PCI Don't know these two. > - Matrox Mystique 2MB, PCI These are supposed to be pretty good. XFree86 3.2 supports them I believe. > - Elsa Winner 1000, 2MB DRam, PCI Older. > - Diamond Stealth 64V/ 3D, 2MB EDO, PCI A good card. S3-based; will perform quite well. > - CM Rocket 3D 2MB / 4MB, PCI No idea what this is. > - CM Rocket 64pro Trio64V 2MB, PCI Basically the same as the Diamond card, but almost certainly cheaper 8) > - ATI Wincharger 2MB, PCI No idea. > or where can I get the information of the graphik hardware support of > the available X-Servers in both systems. http://www.xfree86.org My experience to date has been that the S3-family of chipsets work very well with X and offer excellent performance. You tend to find these on mid-high end cards (Diamond, Number Nine etc.). The S3-Trio64 chips however are turning up on very cheap cards, and these are an excellent choice if your performance needs are more modest. > Thomas Zaenker Tel. : +49 (030) 24720463 -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 10 18:37:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA28612 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA28606 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:37:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id SAA19376; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA26662; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:37:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199612110237.SAA26662@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: tomz@gerry.snafu.de (Thomas Zaenker) cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, tomz@unlisys.net (Thomas Zaenker) Subject: Re: XServer-HW-Support? In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 10 Dec 96 21:46:23. <199612102046.VAA15935@gerry> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:37:14 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I'm going to get a PCI graphik board for my FreeBSD- and netbsd- Systems >running on my PCs. Can anyone recommend me one of the following boards that >are offered this time by my local supplier: [...] > - Diamond Stealth 64V/ 3D, 2MB EDO, PCI I don't know why you'd want to buy a 3D video card for X. It wouldn't use any of the 3D features, and the regular "2D" stuff wouldn't be as high quality. I have a Diamond Stealth 64 Video VRAM 3400XL, and it is an excellent card. High refresh rates, lots of colors, very fast, and really nice and crisp. I highly recommend it. It's based on the S3 968 video processor. If you have a good monitor, and are at all picky, you probably want to stick with the better cards and avoid ones that use the Trio 64 chipset. They only max out at 75 or 80MHz dot clock, meaning you won't get very high refresh rates. >or where can I get the information of the graphik hardware support of >the available X-Servers in both systems. http://www.xfree86.org/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 10 20:21:38 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA08981 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 20:21:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (daemon@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA08970 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 20:21:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (8.8.4/8.8.3) id OAA14504; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:21:17 +1000 Received: by ogre.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.7.5/DEVETIR-E0.3a) id OAA03308; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:25:08 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:25:08 +1000 (EST) From: Stephen McKay Message-Id: <199612110425.OAA03308@ogre.devetir.qld.gov.au> To: Mark Tinguely cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, syssgm@devetir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: Will FreeBSD Run on This? X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mark Tinguely writes: >> If this is the "Natural", swap this at all costs. It is the worst >> keyboard in the world, but I won't bore you with the details (I can > >there are M$ "Natural" clones that have better feeling key feedbacks and >are cheaper also. Tell me who makes them! For bonus points, tell me about ones sold in Australia. I have no personal love for M$ and would feel better buying somebody else's ergo keyboard. I just haven't seen any others for sale here. Stephen. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 11 06:41:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA13455 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 06:41:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id GAA13450 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 06:40:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id IAA14168; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:40:55 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:40:55 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199612111440.IAA14168@plains.nodak.edu> To: jonny@mailhost.coppe.ufrj.br Subject: Re: Tyan Tomcat ? 256 MB RAM ? DIMMs ? Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Where can you find EDO-parity RAMs ? I've never seen it before. http://www.megacom.com carries: Toshiba 16MB 18 chip 60 ns True Parity EDO RAM apprx $125.00 US Toshiba 32MB 9 chip 60 ns True Parity EDO RAM apprx $230.00 US last week they also carried: Siemens 16MB 12 chip 60 ns True Parity EDO RAM apprx $110.00 US --mark. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 11 06:53:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA14030 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 06:53:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from stcgate.statcan.ca (stcgate.statcan.ca [142.206.192.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id GAA14016; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 06:53:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by stcgate.statcan.ca (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA23023; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 09:55:34 -0500 Received: from stcinet.statcan.ca(142.206.128.146) by stcgate via smap (V1.3) id sma022578; Wed Dec 11 14:54:15 1996 Received: from statcan.ca by statcan.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA06692; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 09:56:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 09:50:12 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Jeays X-Sender: jeays@austral To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org cc: sos@freebsd.org Subject: IDE CD-ROM failure Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I expect this has already been reported, but just in case... (I have already posted this in comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, and apologize if this is poor etiquette.) I just upgraded my system to a Pentium 120, and added a CD-ROM, a Panasonic CR-583 8x unit (actually made by Matsushita, I think). For the first try, it was on the second IDE connector on the motherboard,as I have two hard disks on the first. It works properly under Win95 (don't you just *hate* it when something works on Win95 and won't on FreeBSD!?) As others have reported, it times out while trying to detect it. I also tried it by putting my Windows disk and the CD-ROM on the first IDE port, and putting the FreeBSD disk by itself on the second port, resetting the master/slave connectors correctly. It then pauses for about a minute after detecting the CD-ROM in the Award Bios, and then boots partway into FreeBSD, having successfully identified both hard disks and the Cd-ROM. It says it is trying to boot from wd(1,a), and panics. Is there some other magic incantation I could use for the boot command? I guessed at wd(2,a), but that worked very badly indeed! It still all works with Win95 in this configuration, including the CD-ROM. I am still running FreeBSD 2.1.0 - a main reason to get the CD-ROM was to be able to upgrade easily. Am I likely to have any more luck with 2.1.5 or 2.1.6, or should I wait for 2.2 until I buy the Walnut Creek CD? I do at least still have a running system. Any help will be much appreciated! From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 11 13:45:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA11717 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:45:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from simba.tc.gc.ca (aladdin.tc.gc.ca [198.103.96.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA11695; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:45:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.tc.gc.ca (smtp.tc.gc.ca [142.210.48.99]) by simba with ESMTP (DuhMail/3.0) id QAA08535; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 16:44:32 -0500 Received: from Microsoft Mail (PU Serial #1464) by SMTP.tc.gc.ca (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.8d for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1996Dec11.163245.1464.485827; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 16:35:35 -0500 From: LUMARK@tc.gc.ca (Lu, Mark) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org ('SMTP: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org') Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org ('SMTP: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org'), ianw@ee.usyd.edu.au ('SMTP: ianw@ee.usyd.edu.au') Message-ID: <1996Dec11.163245.1464.485827@SMTP.tc.gc.ca> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 16:35:35 -0500 Subject: Re: How can i run Eicon X.25 card with F Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Really. I think you must look at > FreeBSD-current/src/share/doc/iso/wisc/eicon.nr >I hope, that is true, what is written in this document and >driver for EICON really exist. But it's really difficult to use >it without support in kernel ;) Does anyone know if the source code for these drivers are available somewhere? 'cause i have some of these cards, but with only dos drivers. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 11 14:16:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA13442 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:16:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA13433 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:16:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from Mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id QAA15864; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 16:16:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from Mercury.mcs.net (jonas@Mercury.mcs.com [192.160.127.80]) by Mailbox.mcs.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id JAA03932; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 09:23:32 -0600 (CST) Received: (from jonas@localhost) by Mercury.mcs.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) id JAA05419; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 09:23:10 -0600 (CST) From: Lars Jonas Olsson Message-Id: <199612111523.JAA05419@Mercury.mcs.net> Subject: EDO parit RAM (Was Re: Tyan ...) To: tinguely@plains.nodak.edu (Mark Tinguely) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 09:23:09 -0600 (CST) Cc: jonny@mailhost.coppe.ufrj.br, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199612111440.IAA14168@plains.nodak.edu> from "Mark Tinguely" at Dec 11, 96 08:40:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Note that there are two kinds of EDO parity RAM. One works both in parity and ECC mode and the other only in ECC mode. I first bought EDO parity RAM from Micron that only worked in ECC mode (Have to write all 4 parity bits at once). I then found EDO parity RAM from Samsung that works in regular parity mode. The type I buy is 32MB 60 ns, 72 pin, gold leads, p/n KMM5368105BKG-6 they are sort of expensive though at $280. Jonas From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 11 15:06:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA16751 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 15:06:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA16746 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 15:06:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id RAA07276; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:06:31 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:06:31 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199612112306.RAA07276@plains.nodak.edu> To: jonas@mcs.net Subject: Re: EDO parit RAM (Was Re: Tyan ...) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, jonny@mailhost.coppe.ufrj.br Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Note that there are two kinds of EDO parity RAM. One works both in > parity and ECC mode and the other only in ECC mode. They have another catagory called ECC EDO memory that lists: 16 MB ECC EDO 60ns RAM 4x40 72 pin approx $130 32 MB ECC EDO 60ns RAM 8x40 72 pin approx $250 So I would assume the Siemens and Toshiba is first kind of EDO parity RAM. #include --mark. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 12 14:32:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA13051 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:32:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-4-228.mu.de.ibm.net [139.92.4.228]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA12536; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA11957; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 16:41:46 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199612121541.QAA11957@vector.jhs.no_domain> To: Stephen McKay cc: Mark Tinguely , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Will FreeBSD Run on This? From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. X-Mailer: EXMH 1.6.7, PGP available X-Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany X-Phone: +49.89.268616 X-Fax: +49.89.2608126 X-ISDN: +49.89.26023276 X-Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:25:08 +1000." <199612110425.OAA03308@ogre.devetir.qld.gov.au> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 16:41:43 +0100 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Reference: > From: Stephen McKay > Subject: Re: Will FreeBSD Run on This? > Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:25:08 +1000 (EST) > Message-id: <199612110425.OAA03308@ogre.devetir.qld.gov.au> > > Mark Tinguely writes: > > >> If this is the "Natural", swap this at all costs. It is the worst > >> keyboard in the world, but I won't bore you with the details (I can > > > >there are M$ "Natural" clones that have better feeling key feedbacks and > >are cheaper also. > > Tell me who makes them! For bonus points, tell me about ones sold in > Australia. I have no personal love for M$ and would feel better buying > somebody else's ergo keyboard. I just haven't seen any others for sale > here. > > Stephen. Marquadt in Germany have been clearing their old stock through mail order retailers at DM 70 (there's vaguely 1.5 DM per US $) (but German keycaps layout only, so you'd need indelible marker every 6 months) The keyboards before being declared `end of line' were going for a about DM 300. Then there's shipping, the German post extracts blood for postage ;-) I've also seen fold out/hinge together boards in my local (Munich) high street (Schiller str) for those schizoid folk who are ergonomic only half the time (or like to adjust the angle :-) Manufacturer was some well known co. like Cherry or some such. Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 12 18:03:43 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA02189 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 18:03:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw1.asacomputers.com (root@gw1.asacomputers.com [204.69.220.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA02180 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 18:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by gw1.asacomputers.com id SAA09458; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 18:01:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961213021852.00a17f38@gw1> X-Sender: rajadnya@gw1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 18:18:52 -0800 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Kedar Subject: The ZNYX 314. Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I am attempting to install the 4-port ZYNX ZX314 card in my system and experiencing some difficulties. FreeBSD will not recognize the card even after enabling drivers de0-de3. Do we need any patches or drivers to make it work? We have an old version of FreeBSD. 2.1. [I know, I know :) ] Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Kedar. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 13 06:40:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA22435 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 06:40:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from seine.cs.umd.edu (10862@seine.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.59]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id GAA22423 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 06:40:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by seine.cs.umd.edu (8.8.4/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19712; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 09:40:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199612131440.JAA19712@seine.cs.umd.edu> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: SMC 10/100 PCI Ethernet Cards Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 09:40:01 -0500 From: Rohit Dube Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I was wondering if somebody could post the state of driver support for the SMC 10/100 PCI cards. I am running SMC9332DSTs with FreeBSD 2.2 and they work fine. However the SMC web site doesn't list this version at all!! They have : SMC9332BDT, SMC9334BDT. Whats the support like on these cards? (Last I heard, the 9332BDT was being worked on). Related Question: The 9334BDT is a 10/100 Dual Channel card, with the two channels claimed to be independent. I was thinking of using one of these in a box to put up a firewall. Anybody see them work (well) on a *BSD, UN*X box? Thanks. --rohit. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 13 07:24:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA24087 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 07:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (0@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.110.29]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA24082 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 07:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (15005@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.4/8.6.10) with SMTP id HAA05902 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 07:24:06 -0800 (PST) From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Message-Id: <199612131524.HAA05902@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: passer.osg.gov.bc.ca: 15005@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol Reply-to: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca X-Mailer: MH X-Sender: cschuber To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: 1542CF Hangs Date: Fri, 13 Dec 96 07:24:05 -0800 X-Mts: smtp Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just purchased a new Pentium with a PCI bus. My configuration is; 120 MHz Pentium, 4 PCI slots and 3 ISA slots, 32 MB memory, two EIDE controllers on motherboard, two serial and one parallel port installed on the motherboard, S3 card plugged into a PCI slot, AHA 1542CF plugged into an ISA slot, WD1003 ethernet card plugged into an ISA slot, a Caviar 280 (80 MB) drive as /dev/wd0 (boot device), a Caviar 2100 (2 GB) drive as /dev/wd1 (unformatted), a Quantum 730S SCSI drive as /dev/sd0 (/usr), a Connor 4mm SCSI DAT tape drive, a 4Plex SCSI CDROM drive. The software I'm using is FreeBSD 2.1.5R with bounce buffers turned on. I am getting SCSI timeouts on every device on the bus, yet the kernel recognizes the 1542CF and each SCSI device at boot. The system will boot to single user state however once I reference any SCSI device it hangs with the following messages displayed on the console at regular intervals: AHA(0,sd0,0) Timout AHA(0,sd0,0) Timout, Again This may not be the exact representation of the messages as I'm going from memory once again. Most of this hardware had been previously installed on a 33 MHz 486 DX with an ISA bus and worked just fin ont the old machine which also ran 2.1.5R: The 80 MB drive, all of the SCSI hardware, and the WD1003 ethernet card, (along with a Seagate IDE 420 MB disk drive which was not installed in the new machine, was /export and will be installed once I finish copying the 80MB drive to the 2GB drive). The old machine had 20 MB memory. The Adaptec BIOS diagnostics utilities can read the disk so this probably rules out any hardware related issues. I've tried various BIOS and chipset (sorry I cannot remember the chipset name) options, all to no avail. The only options I can think of are; 1. Purchase an Adaptec 2940 controller for a PCI slot, or 2. Upgrade to the latest -SNAP release that I've received, or 3. Do something irrational. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert OV/VM: BCSC02(CSCHUBER) Open Systems Support BITNET: CSCHUBER@BCSC02.BITNET ITSD Internet: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca cschuber@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca "Quit spooling around, JES do it." From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 13 11:22:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA07331 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:22:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (0@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.110.29]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA07325 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:21:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (15005@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.4/8.6.10) with SMTP id LAA06885 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:21:32 -0800 (PST) From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Message-Id: <199612131921.LAA06885@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: passer.osg.gov.bc.ca: 15005@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol Reply-to: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca X-Mailer: MH X-Sender: cschuber To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: 1542CF Hangs Date: Fri, 13 Dec 96 11:21:31 -0800 X-Mts: smtp Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've found the problem. The secondary IDE controller on the motherboard is conflicting with the 1542. Thanks for all the help. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert OV/VM: BCSC02(CSCHUBER) Open Systems Support BITNET: CSCHUBER@BCSC02.BITNET ITSD Internet: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca cschuber@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca "Quit spooling around, JES do it." ------- Forwarded Message Reply-to: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca X-Mailer: MH X-Sender: cschuber To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: 1542CF Hangs Date: Fri, 13 Dec 96 07:24:05 -0800 From: cschuber X-Mts: smtp I just purchased a new Pentium with a PCI bus. My configuration is; 120 MHz Pentium, 4 PCI slots and 3 ISA slots, 32 MB memory, two EIDE controllers on motherboard, two serial and one parallel port installed on the motherboard, S3 card plugged into a PCI slot, AHA 1542CF plugged into an ISA slot, WD1003 ethernet card plugged into an ISA slot, a Caviar 280 (80 MB) drive as /dev/wd0 (boot device), a Caviar 2100 (2 GB) drive as /dev/wd1 (unformatted), a Quantum 730S SCSI drive as /dev/sd0 (/usr), a Connor 4mm SCSI DAT tape drive, a 4Plex SCSI CDROM drive. The software I'm using is FreeBSD 2.1.5R with bounce buffers turned on. I am getting SCSI timeouts on every device on the bus, yet the kernel recognizes the 1542CF and each SCSI device at boot. The system will boot to single user state however once I reference any SCSI device it hangs with the following messages displayed on the console at regular intervals: AHA(0,sd0,0) Timout AHA(0,sd0,0) Timout, Again This may not be the exact representation of the messages as I'm going from memory once again. Most of this hardware had been previously installed on a 33 MHz 486 DX with an ISA bus and worked just fin ont the old machine which also ran 2.1.5R: The 80 MB drive, all of the SCSI hardware, and the WD1003 ethernet card, (along with a Seagate IDE 420 MB disk drive which was not installed in the new machine, was /export and will be installed once I finish copying the 80MB drive to the 2GB drive). The old machine had 20 MB memory. The Adaptec BIOS diagnostics utilities can read the disk so this probably rules out any hardware related issues. I've tried various BIOS and chipset (sorry I cannot remember the chipset name) options, all to no avail. The only options I can think of are; 1. Purchase an Adaptec 2940 controller for a PCI slot, or 2. Upgrade to the latest -SNAP release that I've received, or 3. Do something irrational. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert OV/VM: BCSC02(CSCHUBER) Open Systems Support BITNET: CSCHUBER@BCSC02.BITNET ITSD Internet: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca cschuber@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca "Quit spooling around, JES do it." ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 13 17:49:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA00650 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 17:49:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.interpath.com (babbleon@mercury.interpath.com [199.72.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA00632; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 17:49:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from babbleon@localhost) by mercury.interpath.com (8.6.12/v1.0) id UAA07097; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 20:49:17 -0500 From: "Brian T. Schellenberger - Personal Account" Message-Id: <199612140149.UAA07097@mercury.interpath.com> Subject: Zip drive To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hardware), freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 20:49:16 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to usei Nicolas Souchu's 2.1.0 zip driver from http://www.prism.uvsq.fr/~son/ppa3.html, and I'm not being entirely successful. In fact, after detecting the ppa0 device, it locks up (but only if the drive is in fact on--if it's powered off or disconnected, I get a "probe failed" message and the boot continues). I need to get this working quickly, or send it back. Has anybody else got a zip drive working? If so, did you use this driver, or get a SCSI adaoptor? If the former, can you give me any pointers? If the latter, do you have a laptap (PCMCIA) SCSI adaptor that works? Thanks. -- Brian T. Schellenberger, the Man from Babble-On. "Someday I'll get around to importing all the cool quotes from my other account's .sig files." http://mercury.interpath.com/~babbleon From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Dec 14 01:02:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA17419 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 01:02:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from vegemite.Stanford.EDU (vegemite.Stanford.EDU [171.65.76.158]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id BAA17413 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 01:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (hlew@localhost) by vegemite.Stanford.EDU (8.7.1/8.6.4) id BAA04751; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 01:02:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 01:02:07 -0800 (PST) From: Howard Lew To: jack cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Exabyte eagle TR-3 tape drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, jack wrote: > Anyone had any experience, good, bad, or otherwise, with this drive and > FreeBSD. (I know, I know it's floppy based but for ~$150 for a home > system.) I have one right here. I think it is not supported... oh well.. > > TIA > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jack O'Neill Finger jacko@diamond.xtalwind.net or > jack@xtalwind.net http://www.xtalwind.net/~jacko/pubpgp.html > #include for my PGP key. > PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- || Shoppers Network BEST PRICES, FULLY x86 COMPATIBLE & FAST!!! || PO BOX 16627 Cyrix 686s now available! || San Francisco, CA 94116 Email - info@shoppersnet.com | ------------------------------> WWW - http://www2.shoppersnet.com -------------------------------> WWW - http://www.shoppersnet.com/shopping From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Dec 14 06:28:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA01349 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 06:28:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (0@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.110.29]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id GAA01330; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 06:28:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (15005@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.4/8.6.10) with SMTP id GAA09908; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 06:28:06 -0800 (PST) From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Message-Id: <199612141428.GAA09908@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: passer.osg.gov.bc.ca: 15005@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol Reply-to: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca X-Mailer: MH X-Sender: cschuber To: "Brian T. Schellenberger - Personal Account" cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hardware), freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Zip drive In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Dec 96 20:49:16 EST." <199612140149.UAA07097@mercury.interpath.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 96 06:28:06 -0800 X-Mts: smtp Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've got a working Zip drive under FreeBSD 2.1.5R, initially on my 486/33 and now on my P5/120. I chose SCSI because I already had an Adaptec 1542CF and three SCSI devices. You may wish to configure AMD to handle mounting of the Zip drive. I've found it reduces the number of instances I need to become root to mount a Zip disk. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert OV/VM: BCSC02(CSCHUBER) Open Systems Support BITNET: CSCHUBER@BCSC02.BITNET ITSD Internet: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca cschuber@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca "Quit spooling around, JES do it." > > I'm trying to usei Nicolas Souchu's 2.1.0 zip driver from > http://www.prism.uvsq.fr/~son/ppa3.html, and I'm not being entirely > successful. In fact, after detecting the ppa0 device, it locks up > (but only if the drive is in fact on--if it's powered off or disconnected, > I get a "probe failed" message and the boot continues). > > I need to get this working quickly, or send it back. Has anybody else > got a zip drive working? If so, did you use this driver, or get a > SCSI adaoptor? If the former, can you give me any pointers? If the > latter, do you have a laptap (PCMCIA) SCSI adaptor that works? > > Thanks. > > -- > Brian T. Schellenberger, the Man from Babble-On. > > "Someday I'll get around to importing all the cool quotes from my other > account's .sig files." http://mercury.interpath.com/~babbleon > From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Dec 14 17:26:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA10290 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 17:26:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA10284 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 17:26:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (ulf@gatekeeper.Lamb.net [207.90.181.2]) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) with ESMTP id RAA11790; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 17:27:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (8.8.3/8.7.6) id RAA18847; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 17:25:54 -0800 (PST) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199612150125.RAA18847@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Subject: Re: The ZNYX 314. To: kedar@asacomputers.com (Kedar) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 17:25:54 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19961213021852.00a17f38@gw1> from Kedar at "Dec 12, 96 06:18:52 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hello, > > I am attempting to install the 4-port ZYNX ZX314 card in my system > and experiencing some difficulties. FreeBSD will not recognize the card > even after enabling drivers de0-de3. Do we need any patches or drivers to > make it work? We have an old version of FreeBSD. 2.1. [I know, I know :) ] > > Any help will be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Kedar. > > Go to 2.1.5R and it will work fine. Ulf. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Dec 14 20:19:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA19992 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 20:19:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA19986 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 20:19:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA07942; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 20:18:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199612150418.UAA07942@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Tyan Tomcat ? 256 MB RAM ? DIMMs ? In-Reply-To: <199612111440.IAA14168@plains.nodak.edu> from Mark Tinguely at "Dec 11, 96 08:40:55 am" To: tinguely@plains.nodak.edu (Mark Tinguely) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 20:18:52 -0800 (PST) Cc: jonny@mailhost.coppe.ufrj.br, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Where can you find EDO-parity RAMs ? I've never seen it before. > > http://www.megacom.com carries: > > Toshiba 16MB 18 chip 60 ns True Parity EDO RAM apprx $125.00 US > Toshiba 32MB 9 chip 60 ns True Parity EDO RAM apprx $230.00 US These should be okay, though I haven't had any Toshiba EDO RAM lately so I can't be sure. > > last week they also carried: > > Siemens 16MB 12 chip 60 ns True Parity EDO RAM apprx $110.00 US I have seen lots of Siemens EDO RAM lately, and it has a >5% DOA rate causing signal 11's and spantenious reboots. It checks out okay when run on a SIMM tester :-(. So buyer beware on this product. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD