From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 6 02:51:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA26418 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 02:51:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA26413 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 02:51:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id LAA16300 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 11:51:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00916 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 10:59:25 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from wosch) Message-ID: <19980906105924.A909@panke.de> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 10:59:24 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [axel@uni-paderborn.de: *BSD CD Giveaway List] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Forwarded message from Axel Boldt ----- From: Axel Boldt To: jfieber@freebsd.org, www@netbsd.org, www@openbsd.org Subject: *BSD CD Giveaway List Hi, just wanted to let you guys know that my Linux Giveaway List at http://visar.csustan.edu has just been expanded to cover *BSD CDs. If somebody has a CD to give away (recipient pays for shipping) or to lend locally, they can put their email address on the list. Hardware and literature can also be given away. We encourage people to donate CDs to local libraries and put them on the list as well. If you want to create a link from your web site to the list, or if you have CDs to give away yourself, feel free :-) Cheers, Axel -- Axel Boldt ** axel@uni-paderborn.de ** math-www.uni-paderborn.de/~axel/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.freebsd.org/~w/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 6 10:39:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA06857 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 10:39:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06849 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 10:39:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id TAA18644; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 19:39:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02643; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:51:57 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from wosch) Message-ID: <19980906165155.A2625@panke.de> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:51:55 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Zach Heilig Subject: Re: plotting software References: <19980903232041.A1228@panke.de> <19980904094702.A14622@mooseriver.com> <19980905000033.C243@panke.de> <19980904204224.A29968@mooseriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <19980904204224.A29968@mooseriver.com>; from Josef Grosch on Fri, Sep 04, 1998 at 08:42:24PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks for you help. I wrote a perl script which create a monthly statistic for the release usage by hits and percent. The output are small (<10KB) postscript files. http://www.freebsd.org/statistic/release_usage/images/ -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.freebsd.org/~w/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 6 22:39:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA19582 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:39:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from netcom15.netcom.com (netcom15.netcom.com [192.100.81.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA19564 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:39:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from das@netcom.com) Received: (from das@localhost) by netcom15.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id WAA20940; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:39:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Das Devaraj Subject: Re: Selling older versions of FreeBSD To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Advocacy List In-Reply-To: <4926.904915654@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > >>From time to time surplus CDs of the previous release become > > >available. [SNIP] That I recall the only time previous versions > > were given away was 2.2.6. Was this ever done before? > > It's been done with almost every release since 1.1, though at rather > smaller quantities than with 2.2.6. Interesting, never knew that. I used to have a small Unix training center in Pleasant Hill (city next to Walnut Creek) and tried to get some old FreeBSD CDs from Walnut CDROM. My idea was to give them away free to prospective students. But I was told that all old CDs were instantly destroyed, when a new release came out. Even offering to pay a few $ for each CD did not help. das To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 6 22:43:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA20445 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:43:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA20440 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:43:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02759; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:43:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Das Devaraj cc: Advocacy List Subject: Re: Selling older versions of FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 06 Sep 1998 22:39:22 PDT." Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 22:43:00 -0700 Message-ID: <2754.905146980@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Interesting, never knew that. I used to have a small Unix training > center in Pleasant Hill (city next to Walnut Creek) and tried to get > some old FreeBSD CDs from Walnut CDROM. My idea was to give them > away free to prospective students. But I was told that all old CDs > were instantly destroyed, when a new release came out. Even offering > to pay a few $ for each CD did not help. Well, they are generally destroyed, yes, though if someone makes prior arrangements with Walnut Creek CDROM or I undertake to grab some number of them and send them off to people, that can be done first. You probably asked a good deal after the previous release had come out and they were, in fact, already slated for destruction and declared as such. Once that point is reached, there is indeed no going back. :( - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 7 02:18:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA14025 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 02:18:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de (gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de [194.233.237.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA14020 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 02:18:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cracauer@gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de (8.8.8/8.7.3) id LAA07366; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 11:19:29 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980907111928.A7347@cons.org> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 11:19:28 +0200 From: Martin Cracauer To: Francisco Reyes , Advocacy List Subject: Re: FreeBSD and KDE References: <199809050332.UAA27249@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <199809050332.UAA27249@newsguy.com>; from Francisco Reyes on Fri, Sep 04, 1998 at 11:32:25PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <199809050332.UAA27249@newsguy.com>, Francisco Reyes wrote: > I think it may be a good idea to present KDE as a good starting > environment for new users. Anyone who is experience or is used to > other window managers can remain using whatever they want, but for a > new user the integration in KDE simplifies a lot of things. Well, the questionable license is still the weak point. Redhat doesn't include qt/KDE with their Linux distribution anymore, because they think using GPL code (KDE code is GPL) on top of qt violates the GPL. Qt is not part of the operating system and therefore would have to be GPLed as well to run in the same binary as the GPL code. Actutally, this is a problem with the GPL, not with Troll's license. If FreeBSD concentrates on KDE, we may run into trouble if Walnut Creek drops it as well and/or Trolltech messes with their license. The default desktop for FreeBSD installations is a serious investment. No, I don't like Gtk that much. Long live Garnet. Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer BSD User Group Hamburg, Germany http://www.bsdhh.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 7 03:39:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA20660 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 03:39:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from faust27-s.rz.uni-frankfurt.de (faust27-s.rz.uni-frankfurt.de [141.2.149.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA20647 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 03:39:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oliver.thuns@gmx.de) Message-Id: <199809071039.DAA20647@hub.freebsd.org> Received: from virt.dyn.ml.org (actually NAFp2-111.rz.uni-frankfurt.de) by faust27-eth.rz.uni-frankfurt.de with Local SMTP (PP); Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:39:01 +0000 From: Oliver Thuns To: Advocacy List , Martin Cracauer Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 12:28:04 +0100 Reply-To: Oliver Thuns X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.00.1500) For Windows 95 (4.0.950) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD and KDE Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >If FreeBSD concentrates on KDE, we may run into trouble if Walnut >Creek drops it as well and/or Trolltech messes with their license. The >default desktop for FreeBSD installations is a serious investment. The KDE developers working on a QT clone called Harmony. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 7 03:41:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA20970 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 03:41:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cons.org (knight.cons.org [194.233.237.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA20965 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 03:41:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cracauer@cons.org) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by cons.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) id MAA24466; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:41:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980907124132.A24461@cons.org> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:41:32 +0200 From: Martin Cracauer To: Oliver Thuns , Advocacy List , Martin Cracauer Subject: Re: FreeBSD and KDE References: <199809071040.MAA24457@cons.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <199809071040.MAA24457@cons.org>; from Oliver Thuns on Mon, Sep 07, 1998 at 12:28:04PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <199809071040.MAA24457@cons.org>, Oliver Thuns wrote: > >If FreeBSD concentrates on KDE, we may run into trouble if Walnut > >Creek drops it as well and/or Trolltech messes with their license. The > >default desktop for FreeBSD installations is a serious investment. > > The KDE developers working on a QT clone called Harmony. With the same Steam that pushes the "Free QT Foundation"? Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer Tel.: (private) +4940 5221829 Fax.: (private) +4940 5228536 Paper: (private) Waldstrasse 200, 22846 Norderstedt, Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 8 01:19:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA23226 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 01:19:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (sf3-38.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.84.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA23218 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 01:19:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA08927; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 01:19:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 01:19:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: Martin Cracauer cc: Francisco Reyes , Advocacy List Subject: Re: FreeBSD and KDE In-Reply-To: <19980907111928.A7347@cons.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 7 Sep 1998, Martin Cracauer wrote: [...] > Well, the questionable license is still the weak point. Redhat doesn't > include qt/KDE with their Linux distribution anymore, because they > think using GPL code (KDE code is GPL) on top of qt violates the GPL. > Qt is not part of the operating system and therefore would have to be > GPLed as well to run in the same binary as the GPL code. Actutally, > this is a problem with the GPL, not with Troll's license. This, as is most things is arguable. By including Qt in the ports tree, and thus on the FreeBSD CD set, one could call it part of the OS. > If FreeBSD concentrates on KDE, we may run into trouble if Walnut > Creek drops it as well and/or Trolltech messes with their license. The > default desktop for FreeBSD installations is a serious investment. This is pretty much a non issue (I dislike both the Qt and GPL for similar reasons.. bleh). Qt will remain (at least in its current version) as free as it already is. There's a link somewhere on the KDE web page about this. > No, I don't like Gtk that much. Long live Garnet. Yes, Gtk+ is a hack, but at least it looks nice (visually that is) :) Yes, Harmony is under way, yes KDE "core team" members are working on it (or at least one), and yes, I doubt it's going to be able to track the Qt changes very rapidly. - alex | "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern | | technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." | | Powered by FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 8 05:35:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA21776 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 05:35:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA21763 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 05:35:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA01147; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 05:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809081234.FAA01147@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Martin Cracauer" Cc: "Advocacy List" Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 08:34:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD and KDE Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 8 Sep 1998 01:19:36 -0700 (PDT), Alex wrote: >> Well, the questionable license is still the weak point. Redhat doesn't >> include qt/KDE with their Linux distribution anymore, because they >> think using GPL code (KDE code is GPL) on top of qt violates the GPL. Trying to get back to the topic of the list... :-) Today (and for the short foreseable future) QT is free as long as the source is distributed. For users just learning Unix, they don't care about licenses. I would think they care about price and quality. KDE is a 1.0 release, but it is usable. Many new users dont' understand X is just a program and KDE is just another program. They see the whole thing as a package and that is what they judge. We could present KDE as something to try for new users. A starting point. I think may help FreeBSD in that it would improve the experience new users would have with the OS. The only drawback I see is that we would need to explain users that KDE is independent of FreeBSD so if and when they have problems with it, they don't think it is a FreeBSD problem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 10 12:19:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03028 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:19:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.maritz.com (gatekeeper.maritz.com [207.239.118.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03023 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:19:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ashbrosj@Maritz.com) Received: by gatekeeper.maritz.com; id OAA02780; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:18:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mifenmta01.maritz.com(156.45.55.38) by gatekeeper.maritz.com via smap (4.1) id xma002672; Thu, 10 Sep 98 14:18:49 -0500 Received: by mifenmta01.maritz.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:18:46 -0500 Message-ID: <930D11DD95BED011B95D0001FA7E023CC15C3F@mifenexch01.maritz.com> From: "Ashbrook, Steven J." To: "'advocacy@freebsd.org'" Subject: Surplus 2.2.6 CDs available for promotional purposes. Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:20:14 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan K. Hubbard I am interested in getting some of these. I and a friend of mine that runs a small computer shop were discussing ways to sell a growing number of 486 and 586 systems he has. this would be perfect for us to load on the systems and then give the media to whomever buys the systems. I would also like to see if the community college here would like a donation of such items. I would like 100 copies of these to start if you may be inclined to grant us this opportunity. My address is PO Box 87 Festus Mo.63028 My phone # 314-827-2848 Thankyou for your consideration in this matter, Steve Ashbrook To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 11 16:15:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26009 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:15:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26004 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:15:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA07176; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809112314.QAA07176@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "advocacy@freebsd.org" , "Ashbrook, Steven J." Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:14:44 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Surplus 2.2.6 CDs available for promotional purposes. Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:20:14 -0500, Ashbrook, Steven J. wrote: >Jordan K. Hubbard >I am interested in getting some of these. The 2.2.6 Surplus CDs where gone in a matter of days from the date of the announcement. They are ALL GONE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 11 21:38:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23605 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:38:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from insomnia.local.net (max2-8.columbus.megsinet.net [209.81.173.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA23600 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:38:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmutter@devrycols.edu) Received: from localhost (jmutter@localhost) by insomnia.local.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA01834; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:43:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jmutter@devrycols.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: insomnia.local.net: jmutter owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:43:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "James A. Mutter" Reply-To: jm7996@devrycols.edu To: "Ashbrook, Steven J." cc: "'advocacy@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Surplus 2.2.6 CDs available for promotional purposes. In-Reply-To: <930D11DD95BED011B95D0001FA7E023CC15C3F@mifenexch01.maritz.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Ashbrook, Steven J. wrote: > I am interested in getting some of these. > I and a friend of mine that runs a small computer shop were discussing ways > to > sell a growing number of 486 and 586 systems he has. this would be perfect > for us to load on the systems and then give the media to whomever buys > the systems. I think you've got a descent idea there, however, since all the CD's are gone, why not just make your own? The media is certainly cheap enough, and with things being what they are today it certainly isn't difficult. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 12 01:49:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA12892 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:49:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA12887 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:49:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr07.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14307 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:49:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr07.primenet.com(206.165.6.207) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd014301; Sat Sep 12 01:49:14 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA02823 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:49:13 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199809120849.BAA02823@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Ken Starr, Apache, FreeBSD To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 08:49:13 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The site www.senate.gov was overrun with Ken Starr report seekers. Yahoo, on the other hand, was able to easily keep up with demand. www.senate.gov runs on an NCSA server. ( http://www.netcraft.com/cgi-bin/Survey/whats ) www.yahoo.com runs on an Apache server on FreeBSD. Time for a joint Apache/Yahoo/FreeBSD press release, I think... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 12 02:55:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA15743 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:55:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA15738 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:55:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkb@best.com) Received: from localhost (jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) with SMTP id CAA13806; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:55:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell6.ba.best.com: jkb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:55:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jan B. Koum " X-Sender: jkb@shell6.ba.best.com To: Terry Lambert cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ken Starr, Apache, FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199809120849.BAA02823@usr07.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, here is a start. Someone please edit it and maybe we can post it on the main site? FreeBSD + Apache brings Starr's report to masses via Internet. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Walnut Creek, CA - As people all over the world glued to their computers in order to download report by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr, some found problems connecting to the web sites. But not those who pointed their browsers to mirror site offered by Yahoo! at http://www.yahoo.com While sites such as http://www.senate.gov had difficulties serving and keeping up with all the connection requests, Yahoo! had no problem serving this historic document and at the same time continuing it's normal business operations. Yahoo! (http://www.yahoo.com) is one of the most visited sites on the web and is powered by FreeBSD OS. FreeBSD is the industry leader when it comes to web serving. This OS is ranked number one among ISPs and desktop users who want speed, security and stability. One can get more information about FreeBSD by visiting http://www.freebsd.org Yahoo! also uses Apache to serve web pages. Apache is the most widely used web server on the internet and is considered to be the best there is. More information about apache can be found at http://www.apache.org -- Yan On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: >The site www.senate.gov was overrun with Ken Starr report seekers. > >Yahoo, on the other hand, was able to easily keep up with demand. > >www.senate.gov runs on an NCSA server. > > ( http://www.netcraft.com/cgi-bin/Survey/whats ) > >www.yahoo.com runs on an Apache server on FreeBSD. > > >Time for a joint Apache/Yahoo/FreeBSD press release, I think... > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org >--- >Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present >or previous employers. > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 12 03:09:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA16548 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:09:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from redfish.go2net.com (redfish.go2net.com [207.178.55.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA16543 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:09:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcs@go2net.com) Received: from marcs by redfish.go2net.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zHmaq-0001KT-00; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:07:48 -0700 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:07:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Slemko X-Sender: marcs@redfish To: Terry Lambert cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ken Starr, Apache, FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199809120849.BAA02823@usr07.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Are you on drugs? Sorry, wrong question to ask Terry... A couple of other mirrors were running Apache too, but that didn't help them. The difference has a lot more to do with the fact that is Yahoo's job and they know what they are doing and can do setups to handle high load, where your typical .gov admin doesn't have a clue. Also, the "runs on an Apache server" is, AFAIK, mostly technically accurate but very misleading to state since, AFAIK, they run a mega hacked 1.1.x Apache that probably doesn't even begin to resemble any publicly available code. (note that "easily keep up" isn't entirely accurate, as they did have serious slowdowns at times; at least they were smart enough to figure out that using a different server/set of servers was smart.) On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > The site www.senate.gov was overrun with Ken Starr report seekers. > > Yahoo, on the other hand, was able to easily keep up with demand. > > www.senate.gov runs on an NCSA server. > > ( http://www.netcraft.com/cgi-bin/Survey/whats ) > > www.yahoo.com runs on an Apache server on FreeBSD. > > > Time for a joint Apache/Yahoo/FreeBSD press release, I think... > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 12 03:14:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA16832 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:14:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from redfish.go2net.com (redfish.go2net.com [207.178.55.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA16826 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:14:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcs@go2net.com) Received: from marcs by redfish.go2net.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zHmg9-0001Ld-00; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:13:17 -0700 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:13:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Slemko X-Sender: marcs@redfish To: "Jan B. Koum " cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ken Starr, Apache, FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Jan B. Koum wrote: > > Well, here is a start. Someone please edit it and maybe we can > post it on the main site? > > > FreeBSD + Apache brings Starr's report to masses via Internet. > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > Walnut Creek, CA - As people all over the world glued to their computers > in order to download report by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr, some > found problems connecting to the web sites. But not those who pointed > their browsers to mirror site offered by Yahoo! at http://www.yahoo.com Bad idea even thinking of doing a press release on a company's operations without the little step of talking to the company. PR people have carefully laid out plans for total world domination and get quite upset quite easily. This is especially important in the very volatile Internet stock world. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 12 03:20:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA17071 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:20:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA17065 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:20:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkb@best.com) Received: from localhost (jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) with SMTP id DAA15398; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:19:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell6.ba.best.com: jkb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:19:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jan B. Koum " X-Sender: jkb@shell6.ba.best.com To: Marc Slemko cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ken Starr, Apache, FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG *sigh* I hate to admit it but you are right :( I get too excited in cases like this. However, I am afraid that if Yahoo! would be to make a Press Release they would leave apache and FreeBSD out of the picture since it would most likely be done by marketing droids. And saying "FreeBSD brings Starr's report via company X" won't work either. Ideas? -- Yan I don't have the password .... + Jan Koum But the path is chainlinked .. | Spelled Jan, pronounced Yan. There. So if you've got the time .... | Web: http://www.best.com/~jkb Set the tone to sync ......... + OS: http://www.FreeBSD.org On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Marc Slemko wrote: >On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Jan B. Koum wrote: > >> >> Well, here is a start. Someone please edit it and maybe we can >> post it on the main site? >> >> >> FreeBSD + Apache brings Starr's report to masses via Internet. >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> >> Walnut Creek, CA - As people all over the world glued to their computers >> in order to download report by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr, some >> found problems connecting to the web sites. But not those who pointed >> their browsers to mirror site offered by Yahoo! at http://www.yahoo.com > >Bad idea even thinking of doing a press release on a company's operations >without the little step of talking to the company. > >PR people have carefully laid out plans for total world domination and get >quite upset quite easily. This is especially important in the very >volatile Internet stock world. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 12 09:29:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA16439 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:29:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [207.170.17.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16430 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:29:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19034; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:28:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) id LAA18079; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:28:18 -0500 Message-ID: <19980912112818.38138@right.PCS> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:28:18 -0500 From: Jonathan Lemon To: "Jan B. Koum " Cc: Marc Slemko , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ken Starr, Apache, FreeBSD References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1 In-Reply-To: ; from Jan B. Koum on Sep 09, 1998 at 03:19:59AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sep 09, 1998 at 03:19:59AM -0700, Jan B. Koum wrote: > > *sigh* I hate to admit it but you are right :( > I get too excited in cases like this. However, I am afraid that if > Yahoo! would be to make a Press Release they would leave apache and > FreeBSD out of the picture since it would most likely be done by marketing > droids. And saying "FreeBSD brings Starr's report via company X" won't > work either. Ideas? Mark the "press release" as a draft proposal, and send it to the PR people at Yahoo asking for permission? I'm sure that Yahoo! would also like to put out their own press release (if they haven't already). -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 12 09:30:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA16800 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:30:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [207.170.17.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16795 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:30:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19045; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:30:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) id LAA18102; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:29:55 -0500 Message-ID: <19980912112955.14066@right.PCS> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:29:55 -0500 From: Jonathan Lemon To: Marc Slemko Cc: Terry Lambert , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ken Starr, Apache, FreeBSD References: <199809120849.BAA02823@usr07.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1 In-Reply-To: ; from Marc Slemko on Sep 09, 1998 at 03:07:48AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sep 09, 1998 at 03:07:48AM -0700, Marc Slemko wrote: > Are you on drugs? Sorry, wrong question to ask Terry... > > A couple of other mirrors were running Apache too, but that didn't help > them. > > The difference has a lot more to do with the fact that is Yahoo's job and > they know what they are doing and can do setups to handle high load, where > your typical .gov admin doesn't have a clue. > > Also, the "runs on an Apache server" is, AFAIK, mostly technically > accurate but very misleading to state since, AFAIK, they run a mega hacked > 1.1.x Apache that probably doesn't even begin to resemble any publicly > available code. > > (note that "easily keep up" isn't entirely accurate, as they did have > serious slowdowns at times; at least they were smart enough to figure out > that using a different server/set of servers was smart.) Ah, yes, but this is PR. Marketing people have very different definitions than techies. The fact that it is at least "technically accurate" is a bonus, as most marketing ads aren't. :-) -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message