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    This is a pretty good article, considering all the traditionally
misleading information on "freeware and shareware" disseminated by the
popular press.

[http://www.news.com/SpecialFeatures/0,5,18652,00.html]

    ``The same is true with two other major
      freeware projects, the Apache Web server
      and the FreeBSD operating system, both
      Unix-based. FreeBSD is Linux's younger
      cousin and counts an estimated 500,000
      users, according to David Greenman,
      principal architect on the core FreeBSD
      team.''

-- 
Brian Tao (BT300, taob@netcom.ca)
"Though this be madness, yet there is method in't"


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http://www.news.com/SpecialFeatures/0,5,18652,00.html
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From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb>
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Subject: a couple laughs.
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yall may have seen this already,
i enjoyed it.

jmb


Geek Dictionary


Going Postal - Euphemism for being totally stressed out, for losing it. 
 Makes reference to the unfortunate track record of postal employees who 
 have snapped and gone on shooting rampages.

 Alpha Geek - The most knowledgeable, technically proficient person in an 
 office or work group. "Ask Mike, he's the alpha geek around here."

 Assmosis - The process by which some people seem to absorb success and 
 advancement by kissing up to the boss rather than working hard.

 Beepilepsy - The brief seizure people sometimes have when their beeper
goes off (especially in vibrator mode). Characterized by physical spasms, 
goofy facial expressions, and interruption of speech in mid-sentence.

 Chips and Salsa - Chips = hardware, salsa = software. "Well, first we 
gotta figure out if the problem's in your chips or your salsa."

 Crapplet - A badly written or profoundly useless Java applet. "I just 
 wasted 30 minutes downloading this stinkin' crapplet!"

Dancing Baloney - Little animated GIFs and other Web F/X that are
useless and serve simply to impress clients. "This page is kinda dull. Maybe
a little dancing baloney will help." 


Depotphobia - Fear associated with entering a Home Depot because of how 
much money one might spend. Electronics geeks experience Shackophobia. 

 Flight Risk - Used to describe employees who are suspected of planning 
to leave a company or department soon.

404 - Someone who's clueless. From the World Wide Web error message "404 
 Not Found," meaning that the requested document could not be located.
 "Don't bother asking him . . . he's 404, man." 

 Generica - Features of the American landscape that are exactly the same 
no matter where one is. "We were so lost in generica, I actually forgot 
what city we were in."

GOOD Job - A "Get-Out-Of-Debt" job. A well-paying job people take in
order to pay off their debts, one that they will quit as soon as they are 
solvent again.

Irritainment - Entertainment and media spectacles that are annoying, but 
 you find yourself unable to stop watching them. The O.J. trials were a 
 prime example.

 Keyboard Plaque - The disgusting buildup of dirt and crud found on 
computer keyboards.

Nyetscape - Nickname for AOL's less-than-full-featured Web browser. 

Ohnosecond - That minuscule fraction of time in which you realize that 
 you've just made a BIG mistake. Seen in Elizabeth P. Crowe's book The 
 Electronic Traveller.

PEBCAK - Tech support shorthand for "Problem Exists Between Chair and 
Keyboard." (Techies are a frustrated, often arrogant lot. They've
submitted numerous acronyms and terms that poke fun at the clueless 
users who call them up with frighteningly stupid questions.) Another variation 
on the 
above is ID10T: "This guy has an ID-Ten-T on his system.")

Percussive Maintenance - The fine art of whacking the heck out of an 
 electronic device to get it to work again.

Prairie Dogging - When someone yells or drops something loudly in a 
"cube farm" (an office full of cubicles) and everyone's head pops up 
over the walls to see what's going on.

Seagull Manager - A manager who flies in, makes a lot of noise, sh_ts 
over everything and then leaves.

Telephone Number Salary - A salary (or project budget) that has seven 
 digits.

 Tourists - People who take training classes just to get a vacation from 
 their jobs. "We had about three serious students in the class; the rest 
were tourists."

Umfriend - A relationship of dubious standing. "This is Hank, 
 my...um...friend..."

Uninstalled - Euphemism for being fired. Heard on the voicemail of a
vicepresident at a downsizing computer firm: "You have reached the number of
an uninstalled vice president. Please dial our main number and ask the 
operator for assistance." See also Decruitment (but not in this list). 

Vulcan Nerve Pinch - The taxing hand position required to reach all of
the appropriate keys for certain commands. For instance, the warm boot for a
 Mac II involves simultaneously pressing the Control key, the Command 
key, the Return key and the Power On key.

Yuppie Food Stamps - The ubiquitous (widespread) $20 bills spewed out of 
 ATMs everywhere. Often used when trying to split the bill after a meal: 
"We all owe $8 each, but all anybody's got is yuppie food stamps.




From owner-freebsd-chat  Mon Feb  2 13:40:50 1998
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	I have also had some problems with the mailing lists.  I was
recently dropped from three mailing lists (announce, chat and stable)
but I had blamed this on our ISP since he fumbled some of our mail last
week.  Whatever the reason, I now can not get back onto the announce
mailing list.  The "subscribe" command returns the message with the
"auth" command.  I send this "auth" command back to majordomo and it
tells me that I am already subscribed to announce.  A "which" command
however does not show that I am subscribed to announce, but it does show
the other lists to which I am subscribed.  Either the "auth" command is
wrong or the "which" command is wrong.  I have successfully subscribed
to the two other list (chat and stable).
	I have sent two messages to "majordomo-owner@freebsd.org" about
this situation with no response.  If any one at freebsd.org can help I
would appreciate it.  This request is probably better suited to the
questions mailing list, but since the topic came up here I thought I
would mention it.
	Thanks.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Andreas Braukmann [SMTP:braukmann@tse-online.de]
> Sent:	Friday, January 30, 1998 2:16 AM
> To:	chat@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject:	Re: uh
> 
> Hello,
> 
> > > maybe i just dropped "off" from the list...
> > I got magically dropped a while back around when hub.freebsd.org
> crashed
> 
> >  A "which" command to majordomo@freebsd.org will tell you something.
> I got dropped from 'chat', too.
> But 'which' didn't help to verify this fact, because of the applied
> security-policies. 'majordomo@freeebsd.org' feeds 'which'-commands
> directly
> into /dev/null.
> 
> Regards,
>    Andreas 

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In-Reply-To: <6150EE893AC3D011A3360020AFF799985F6D@INETSERVER> from Rick Siple at "Feb 2, 98 04:42:00 pm"
To: RickSiple@mpainc.com (Rick Siple)
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	looks like majordomo is treating names as case-sensitive.
	i will fix this.  compare announce and other lists.
jmb

freebsd-announce:ricksiple@mpainc.com		all lower case
freebsd-chat:RickSiple@mpainc.com		NOT all lower case
freebsd-mobile:RickSiple@mpainc.com
freebsd-platforms:RickSiple@mpainc.com
freebsd-security:RickSiple@mpainc.com
freebsd-stable:RickSiple@mpainc.com

Rick Siple wrote:
> 	I have also had some problems with the mailing lists.  I was
> recently dropped from three mailing lists (announce, chat and stable)
> but I had blamed this on our ISP since he fumbled some of our mail last
> week.  Whatever the reason, I now can not get back onto the announce
> mailing list.  The "subscribe" command returns the message with the
> "auth" command.  I send this "auth" command back to majordomo and it
> tells me that I am already subscribed to announce.  A "which" command
> however does not show that I am subscribed to announce, but it does show
> the other lists to which I am subscribed.  Either the "auth" command is
> wrong or the "which" command is wrong.  I have successfully subscribed
> to the two other list (chat and stable).
> 	I have sent two messages to "majordomo-owner@freebsd.org" about
> this situation with no response.  If any one at freebsd.org can help I
> would appreciate it.  This request is probably better suited to the
> questions mailing list, but since the topic came up here I thought I
> would mention it.
> 	Thanks.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Andreas Braukmann [SMTP:braukmann@tse-online.de]
> > Sent:	Friday, January 30, 1998 2:16 AM
> > To:	chat@FreeBSD.ORG
> > Subject:	Re: uh
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > > > maybe i just dropped "off" from the list...
> > > I got magically dropped a while back around when hub.freebsd.org
> > crashed
> > 
> > >  A "which" command to majordomo@freebsd.org will tell you something.
> > I got dropped from 'chat', too.
> > But 'which' didn't help to verify this fact, because of the applied
> > security-policies. 'majordomo@freeebsd.org' feeds 'which'-commands
> > directly
> > into /dev/null.
> > 
> > Regards,
> >    Andreas 
> 


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Greg -
	Let me be the first to say WOW, WHATTA MONSTER! :)

	It's already saved me 2 hours of work and I just unpacked it 20 minutes
ago! I can't wait to start READING it instead of just getting info!!!
You've really advanced the cause of free software in general and FBSD in
particular with this. Awesome! Thanks for all your work, and I'm sure
it'll save me many more hours of grief in the future.

-- 
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This is from one of my co-workers.  We are mentioned on a PBS netsite!!!

http://www.pbs.org/cringely/homens.html

-- 
John                  | Never try to teach a pig to sing,
dyson@freebsd.org     | it just makes you look stupid,
jdyson@nc.com         | and it irritates the pig.

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From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter <pechter@shell.monmouth.com>
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Subject: Wanted -- old proprietary CD rom cards 
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I'm looking for some proprietary (Sony and Mitsumi) CD rom controller cards
to drive some proprietary CD's that I've picked up and want to install
in low cost dedicated FreeBSD boxes.  Any sources or pointers to these
antique cards would be appreciated.

Bill
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Any recommendations on a site to be my secondary nameserver
and hold my MX record.

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Bill/Carolyn Pechter wrote:
> 
> Any recommendations on a site to be my secondary nameserver
> and hold my MX record.

http://www.ml.org/ as long as you don't mind a .ml.org domain :-)
They appreciate donations of nameservers or funding where possible!

s+u

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I haven't seen anyone else mention this yet, so:

There I was, browsing through CNET's news.com when I stumbled upon a 
reference to FreeBSD. It's in their "Source code for the masses" article,
and runs

                  Ten years after its debut on the Internet, Perl remains
                  freely distributed. But unlike Linux, those who change
                  or extend the source code for Perl are under no
                  obligation to give their changes back to the keepers of
                  the core code base. However, it's a point of pride
                  among most code hackers to contribute their
                  innovations back into what Wall calls the "Perl cultural
                  freeware." 

                  The same is true with two other major freeware projects,
                  the Apache Web server and the FreeBSD operating
                  system, both Unix-based. FreeBSD is Linux's younger
                  cousin and counts an estimated 500,000 users,
                  according to David Greenman, principal architect on
                  the core FreeBSD team. 

The "Linux's younger cousin" comparison rankles somewhat, but it's better
than no mention at all I suppose. 

As is customary, kudos to -core, and everyone else who's contributed to
make FreeBSD the OS it is today.

N
-- 
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#define quoting(nik@iii.co.uk)
// From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG  Tue Feb  3 14:54:43 1998
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// I haven't seen anyone else mention this yet, so:
// 
// There I was, browsing through CNET's news.com when I stumbled upon a 
// reference to FreeBSD. It's in their "Source code for the masses" article,
// and runs
// 
//                   Ten years after its debut on the Internet, Perl remains
//                   freely distributed. But unlike Linux, those who change
//                   or extend the source code for Perl are under no
//                   obligation to give their changes back to the keepers of
//                   the core code base. However, it's a point of pride
//                   among most code hackers to contribute their
//                   innovations back into what Wall calls the "Perl cultural
//                   freeware." 
// 
//                   The same is true with two other major freeware projects,
//                   the Apache Web server and the FreeBSD operating
//                   system, both Unix-based. FreeBSD is Linux's younger
//                   cousin and counts an estimated 500,000 users,

Younger ?  It depends on your point of view...  :)

//                   according to David Greenman, principal architect on
//                   the core FreeBSD team. 
// 
// The "Linux's younger cousin" comparison rankles somewhat, but it's better
// than no mention at all I suppose. 
// 
// As is customary, kudos to -core, and everyone else who's contributed to
// make FreeBSD the OS it is today.
// 
// N
// -- 
// --+==[ Nik Clayton is Just Another Perl Hacker at Interactive Investor ]==+--
// 			     . . . and relax
// 


					Jonny

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whow to make several not-BSD comp to out to the Internet ?

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See
http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19980204/V000056-020498-idx.html



 Ben

"You have your mind on computers, it seems." 


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As I can't remember who runs wcarchive, I'm posting this here. I think
it is a chat subject.

The Question: How is wcarchive setup (with regard to swap) when it has
1024MB of RAM? A 2G Swap? Little slices of swap on every drive? 
-- 

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TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said.

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>As I can't remember who runs wcarchive, I'm posting this here. I think
>it is a chat subject.
>
>The Question: How is wcarchive setup (with regard to swap) when it has
>1024MB of RAM? A 2G Swap? Little slices of swap on every drive? 

   I don't let the machine swap. :-) There is currently about 460MB of
swap space configured over three drives, with typically only a few percent
in use. This is sort of a bug - it really should be >1GB of swap, but I
haven't added any additional swap space as I've added more memory and can't
repartition the drives easily. At some point I'll replace the first drive
array and when I do that, the new drives will be partitioned with swap
space striped across all of the drives in the array (and totalling more
than 1GB).

-DG

David Greenman
Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project

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jdrakow@hotrockets.com (aka sales@hotrockets.com) writes to 
questions@freebsd.org:
> 
> Whew! I couldn't find your web site.  I searched three search engines
> using keywords... I almost gave up -- as I guess did many others.  You
> built a good looking site.  For a few hundred dollars more, you can
> promote it right to the top!
>
> You can dramatically raise the visibility -- or findability -- of your
> web site with all of the popular search engines.  Contact Hot Rockets
> Web Site Promotions.  That's all it takes to can get your site in the
> top10 -- maybe even 3 or 4 listings in the same  list of top 10 sites.
[snip]

This person is either an awful liar, or a terrible search engine user.

Wonder if they sent the same message to Yahoo! and Alta Vista?

Well, at least *I* got a good laugh out of that spam.

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I read the faq but couldn't tell if freebsd2.2.5 -stable supports the
awe32 plug and play sound card.  Any input??  Thanks


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> is responsible.  For personal mail, things end up as the
> responsibility of a single individual, who knows that unless (s)he
> takes care of it, it will not be taken care of.
I see what you mean.

>   to her to the best of her ability.  If she can't give an answer she
>   believe to be wholly satisfactory, she approve the question for a
>   larger audience.
Hmm.. sounds like an interesting idea, and I wouldn't mind participating in it.

>   getting his material evaluated/committed.  (The mentor project I've
>   proposed earlier - I'm still willing to write up and do everything
>   to get it rolling if I actually get any other committers that seem
>   to be in favour.)
Well I think it would be nice :)

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> No, he couldn't.  Not as easy, anyway.  In mailing -current, not
> handling a patch drops down to being Somebody Elses Problem - nobody
> is responsible.  For personal mail, things end up as the

Which is why send-pr(1) exists.

					Jordan

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On Thu, Feb 05, 1998 at 08:16:28PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > No, he couldn't.  Not as easy, anyway.  In mailing -current, not
> > handling a patch drops down to being Somebody Elses Problem - nobody
> > is responsible.  For personal mail, things end up as the
> 
> Which is why send-pr(1) exists.

Which again only let things set around and bitrot.  Not always, but at
least for major patches, fairly often.  It is hard to allocate time to
review/test a major patch, especially when 'hey, anybody else can do
it'.

send-pr isn't a replacement for somebody's personal attention - it is
just a way to keep reminders around ;-) And don't get me wrong - I'm
not saying that we shouldn't have GNATS or something similar around.

I'm just pointing out solutions that I believe scale better, because
it seems to me that we're reaching some of the limits for the present
organization.  Integration by 'whoever picks it up' is one of the
places where I think we could benefit by changes.  I believe one of
the reasons for Linux' success is that external authors get their
changes integrated/reject more quickly.

We have ports that sit in Gnats for months before being committed.
And I'm as guilty as anybody here - I haven't committed them, either.
However, if I had gotten 1/10 or 1/20 of those ports as mail to me,
with the knowledge that I was expected to take first-line action on
them - I'd easily have been able to handle the extra workload. I would
have felt a much more specific pressure to take care of the stuff, too.

So, I'm throwing the ideas around, in an attempt at at least making
people aware of the alternatives.  And if somebody suddenly says
'Yeah, that sounds great!' on something, I just might prioritize to
get the time to actually implement the necessary infrastructure.  It
usually isn't more than a couple of evenings worth of work.

Eivind.

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On Thu, Feb 05, 1998 at 02:33:58PM -0600, Jesse David Walters wrote:
> I read the faq but couldn't tell if freebsd2.2.5 -stable supports the
> awe32 plug and play sound card.  Any input??  Thanks

The file: /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT contains this line:

device	awe0	at isa? port 0x620

But, it doesn't seem to work for my awe64.  The kernel spouts something
about not being able to find an awe32... so it may work for that.

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On Thu, 5 Feb 1998, Zach Heilig wrote:

| On Thu, Feb 05, 1998 at 02:33:58PM -0600, Jesse David Walters wrote:
| > I read the faq but couldn't tell if freebsd2.2.5 -stable supports the
| > awe32 plug and play sound card.  Any input??  Thanks
| 
| The file: /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT contains this line:
| 
| device	awe0	at isa? port 0x620
| 
| But, it doesn't seem to work for my awe64.  The kernel spouts something
| about not being able to find an awe32... so it may work for that.

Reboot your computer and at the 'boot: 'prompt type '-c' then once you're
in Configuration mode type the following exactly.

 pnp 1 2 os enable port0 0x620 port1 0xa20 port2 0xe20
 quit

That should enable the AWE support.

If your soundcard wasn't recognized in the first place then also include
the following command before quitting.

 pnp 1 0 os enable port0 0x220 port1 0x330 port2 0x388 irq0 <a> drq0 1 drq1 5

where <a> is the IRQ you wish to use.  Make sure it's not conflicting with
anything else.  I use IRQ 5 so my line was;

 pnp 1 0 os enable port0 0x220 port1 0x330 port2 0x388 irq0 5 drq0 1 drq1 5

and this is the result from dmesg:

 sb0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa
 snd0: <SoundBlaster 16 4.16>
 sbxvi0 at ? drq 5 on isa
 snd0: <SoundBlaster 16 4.16>
 sbmidi0 at 0x330 on isa
 snd0: <SoundBlaster MPU-401>
 opl0 at 0x388 on isa
 snd0: <Yamaha OPL3 FM>
 awe0 at 0x620 on isa
 awe0: <SoundBlaster EMU8000 MIDI (RAM512k)>

Good luck.

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I put the pictures of "Tokyo FreeBSD Fair '98" on

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> send-pr isn't a replacement for somebody's personal attention - it is
> just a way to keep reminders around ;-) And don't get me wrong - I'm
> not saying that we shouldn't have GNATS or something similar around.

I'm not sure that there's any workable way to "get someone's personal
attention" on an ongoing basis.  This is a volunteer project and
people resent generally being assigned things or disappear for long
periods even when they don't resent it.

Of course, if you think you have a more scalable solution then my only
suggestion would be to implement it and see how it works.  We've tried
a number of different things over the last 5 years and pretty much all
of them have failed, so I don't think anyone will dispute the validity
of your concepts so much as the validity of trying to make such things
actually work in this context.

					Jordan

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On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, Eivind Eklund wrote:

> I believe one of the reasons for Linux' success is that external authors
> get their changes integrated/reject more quickly.

I'd like to share my Unix user experience. I started with HP-UX at the
University (Computer Science Department). Since I don't live near my
University, I searched a Unix I could use on my PC at home, and found
Linux. Thanks to Linux, I fell in love with Unix. Then I heard of FreeBSD,
tryed it, and fell in love with it ;-). I did my choose, and my choose was
FreeBSD. I'd say I prefer FreeBSD for its "engineering"/cleaner/stabler
approach.

*But* I agree completely with Eivind. Now I hope the readers will
_understand_ what I mean, I'm not looking for flame wars, since, as I said,
I really like and admire FreeBSD, ok?

For example, Linux has a lot more device drivers than FreeBSD. Probably
many of them are not needed for "professional" use, eg a parallel port
driver to an external tape. But I don't want to use FreeBSD on my
production machines and Linux on my laptop to let me use my external tape.
I want to use FreeBSD all the time ;-)

Another example is RT-Linux, it's real-time extensions. I admit I don't
know exactly the development status of RT-Linux vs the real-time FreeBSD,
but I think RT-Linux is more usable right now.

I understand (as Jordan probably will say ;-) that I'm just speaking about
it, I'm not offering myself as a volunteer to do something, but I think
mine is a pretty spread feeling about FreeBSD users. 

Ciao ciao
Marco
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So do I just have to add the following lines to the kernel and recompile??

controller snd0
device awe at isa? port 0x620

> On Thu, 5 Feb 1998, Zach Heilig wrote:
> 
> | On Thu, Feb 05, 1998 at 02:33:58PM -0600, Jesse David Walters wrote:
> | > I read the faq but couldn't tell if freebsd2.2.5 -stable supports the
> | > awe32 plug and play sound card.  Any input??  Thanks
> | 
> | The file: /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT contains this line:
> | 
> | device	awe0	at isa? port 0x620
> | 
> | But, it doesn't seem to work for my awe64.  The kernel spouts something
> | about not being able to find an awe32... so it may work for that.
> 
> Reboot your computer and at the 'boot: 'prompt type '-c' then once you're
> in Configuration mode type the following exactly.
> 
>  pnp 1 2 os enable port0 0x620 port1 0xa20 port2 0xe20
>  quit
> 
> That should enable the AWE support.
> 
> If your soundcard wasn't recognized in the first place then also include
> the following command before quitting.
> 
>  pnp 1 0 os enable port0 0x220 port1 0x330 port2 0x388 irq0 <a> drq0 1 drq1 5
> 
> where <a> is the IRQ you wish to use.  Make sure it's not conflicting with
> anything else.  I use IRQ 5 so my line was;
> 
>  pnp 1 0 os enable port0 0x220 port1 0x330 port2 0x388 irq0 5 drq0 1 drq1 5
> 
> and this is the result from dmesg:
> 
>  sb0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa
>  snd0: <SoundBlaster 16 4.16>
>  sbxvi0 at ? drq 5 on isa
>  snd0: <SoundBlaster 16 4.16>
>  sbmidi0 at 0x330 on isa
>  snd0: <SoundBlaster MPU-401>
>  opl0 at 0x388 on isa
>  snd0: <Yamaha OPL3 FM>
>  awe0 at 0x620 on isa
>  awe0: <SoundBlaster EMU8000 MIDI (RAM512k)>
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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>    dstenn@fanfic.org   *   When your love will be tested
>                          *   Stand tall and rise to the occasion
>                            *   For only then will you grow strong.
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> 
> 


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Jordan K. Hubbard writes:
> 
> Of course, if you think you have a more scalable solution then my only
> suggestion would be to implement it and see how it works.  We've tried
> a number of different things over the last 5 years and pretty much all
> of them have failed, so I don't think anyone will dispute the validity
> of your concepts so much as the validity of trying to make such things
> actually work in this context.

I'm impressed that Jordan typed 5 lines in a row of exactly the same 
length. Was suspicious of the two spaces in the 2nd line but on review 
of other messages from Jordan, that's the way he types.

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On Sat, Feb 07, 1998 at 07:54:35PM +0100, Alex Le Heux wrote:
> Hi,

[SNIP]

> Alex
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Cool. :-) 

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It's probably just his proportional-space rant filter.  It rearranges
the irrelevant words until the lines are even.  Well, rearranges pretty
much all the words.  You get the idea...

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	David Kelly [SMTP:dkelly@hiwaay.net]
> Sent:	Saturday, February 07, 1998 7:42 AM
> 
> Jordan K. Hubbard writes:
> > Of course, if you think you have a more scalable solution then my
> only
> > suggestion would be to implement it and see how it works.  We've
> tried
> > a number of different things over the last 5 years and pretty much
> all
> > of them have failed, so I don't think anyone will dispute the
> validity
> > of your concepts so much as the validity of trying to make such
> things
> > actually work in this context.
> 
> I'm impressed that Jordan typed 5 lines in a row of exactly the same 
> length. Was suspicious of the two spaces in the 2nd line but on review
> 
> of other messages from Jordan, that's the way he types.

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David Kelly <dkelly@hiwaay.net> writes:
> Jordan K. Hubbard writes:
> > Of course, if you think you have a more scalable solution then my only
> > suggestion would be to implement it and see how it works.  We've tried
> > a number of different things over the last 5 years and pretty much all
> > of them have failed, so I don't think anyone will dispute the validity
> > of your concepts so much as the validity of trying to make such things
> > actually work in this context.
> 
> I'm impressed that Jordan typed 5 lines in a row of exactly the same 
> length. Was suspicious of the two spaces in the 2nd line but on review 
> of other messages from Jordan, that's the way he types.

That's how I learned to touch type.  Always put two spaces between
sentences.

-Dave

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On Sat, 7 Feb 1998, Tim Vanderhoek wrote:

[...]
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Man, that really destroys the look of a good commit message.  I
shudder to think of what it's going to do to the nice rants and
flames we are occasionally treated to...  <sigh>


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