From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Feb 8 09:36:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14180 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:36:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mph124.rh.psu.edu (mph@MPH124.rh.psu.edu [128.118.126.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14085 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:35:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mph@mph124.rh.psu.edu) Received: (from mph@localhost) by mph124.rh.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27557; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:35:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mph) Message-ID: <19980208123533.38133@mph124.rh.psu.edu> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:35:33 -0500 From: Matthew Hunt To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freefall:/tmp References: <199802081108.LAA13154@awfulhak.org> <7103.886942315@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <7103.886942315@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Sun, Feb 08, 1998 at 04:51:55AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Feb 08, 1998 at 04:51:55AM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Any chance of God removing /tmp/#cvs.* on freefall ? I just bumped > > into one owned by jkh and failed a commit :-O > Done! Well, I had always suspected that Jordan was God. At least I have proof now. -- Matthew Hunt * Think locally, act globally. http://mph124.rh.psu.edu/~mph/pgp.key for PGP public key 0x67203349. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Feb 8 16:44:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02296 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:44:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from subcellar.mwci.net (subcellar.mwci.net [205.254.160.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02286 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:44:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwalt@subcellar.mwci.net) Received: from localhost (jwalt@localhost) by subcellar.mwci.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA17046 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:44:38 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:44:37 -0600 (CST) From: "Jesse D. Walters" To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: AWE pnp sound card setup (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have been trying for the last couple days now to setup my sound card. Running off the 2.2.5 x 4 cd set. My sound card is a awe32 pnp sound blaster, under win95 it used irq5. I have been compiling and recompiling the kernel trying different things but to no avail. The first problem I ran into is my lpt0 port which is using irq 7. so to fix this, I would like to use irq 5. I realize to do this I must edit the sound_config.h file also because it is "hardcoded". However with my book I recieved I still am unclear as to what exactly I need to edit, could someone show exactly what needs to be changed in the sound_config.h file. The book also says that I need to add: options "SBC_IRQ=5". Is this needed even when I edit the sound_config.h if so where does it go above or below the -- controller snd0 -- statement. Finally, since it is plug and pray, did I say pray...I mean play, is there anything else I need to go over. When I sent my first message to the mailing list someone mentioned somehting about a pnp0 device??? Here is a copy of what I currently have in the kernel. Again I think my only option is irq 5 since lpt0 is on irq 7. #########This is what is in my kernel currently############### controller snd0 options "SBC_IRQ=5" device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 vector sbintr device sbxvi0 at isa? drq 5 conflicts device sbmidi0 at isa? port 0x330 device opl0 at isa? port 0x388 device awe0 at isa? port 0x620 #############end#############################3 Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Feb 8 19:26:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA20632 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:25:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA20590; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:24:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13971; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:24:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199802090324.TAA13971@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: "Jesse D. Walters" cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AWE pnp sound card setup (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 08 Feb 1998 18:44:37 CST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 19:24:25 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org multimedia related questions to multimedia@freebsd.org. Amancio > I have been trying for the last couple days now to setup my sound card. > Running off the 2.2.5 x 4 cd set. My sound card is a awe32 pnp sound > blaster, under win95 it used irq5. I have been compiling and recompiling > the kernel trying different things but to no avail. > The first problem I ran into is my lpt0 port which is using irq 7. > so to fix this, I would like to use irq 5. I realize to do this I > must edit the sound_config.h file also because it is "hardcoded". However > with my book I recieved I still am unclear as to what exactly I need to > edit, could someone show exactly what needs to be changed in the > sound_config.h file. > The book also says that I need to add: options "SBC_IRQ=5". Is > this needed even when I edit the sound_config.h if so where does it go > above or below the -- controller snd0 -- statement. > Finally, since it is plug and pray, did I say pray...I mean play, > is there anything else I need to go over. When I sent my first > message to the mailing list someone mentioned somehting about a pnp0 > device??? > > Here is a copy of what I currently have in the kernel. > Again I think my only option is irq 5 since lpt0 is on irq 7. > > > #########This is what is in my kernel currently############### > controller snd0 > options "SBC_IRQ=5" > device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 vector sbintr > device sbxvi0 at isa? drq 5 conflicts > device sbmidi0 at isa? port 0x330 > device opl0 at isa? port 0x388 > device awe0 at isa? port 0x620 > > #############end#############################3 > Thanks > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 9 20:37:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA12098 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:37:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotmail.com (f102.hotmail.com [207.82.250.221]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA12092 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:37:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tpua@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 10021 invoked by uid 0); 10 Feb 1998 04:37:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19980210043719.10020.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.76.252.49 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 20:37:19 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.76.252.49] From: "Terence Pua" To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Error messages Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 20:37:19 PST Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We get the following errormessage: > >Terence Pua wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I get this error message concerning IO::Handle: >> >> 1. Can't find 'boot_IO' symbol in >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/i386-freebsd/5.00401/auto/IO/IO.so >> at /usr/local/lib/perl5/IO/Handle.pm line 233 > >This tells me that either IO was not compiled properly, installed >properly or dynamic loading is not working properly. Someone >who know perl and freebsd may be able to help you answer >which one. > Please help if someone know perl (5.00401) and freebsd (2.2.5) can help. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 11 09:28:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06999 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:28:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net (kalypso.cybercom.net [209.21.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06919 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:28:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ksmm@cybercom.net) Received: from atlanta (mfd-dial1-20.cybercom.net [209.21.137.20]) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA15437 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:26:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980211122820.009b5530@cybercom.net> X-Sender: ksmm@cybercom.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:28:20 -0500 To: Chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: The Classiest Man Alive Subject: Props out to FreeBSD! Toss it up, baby! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just installed a 2.2.5 system last night, and I have to say that everything from the installation to rebuilding the kernel was butter smooth. It's been a while since I've installed a FreeBSD system, but the Core Team must've been smoking Virginia Slims because they've come a long way, baby! I was feeling like my 133 MHz Pentium was on it's last leg every time Windows NT choked the life out of it and made it crawl to service. Of all the OSes I run, FreeBSD performance is running rings around everything else on the block! And I have to thank XSuSE for their cutting-edge X drivers which have given me back my X display. Hooray! I'll be raising the roof on this one for a while, but I just had to give a shout to say good work to everybody even remotely involved in this Project. Well, that's all for the congratulations. Tomorrow I go back to my campaign to convince Jordan that all the games should be be installed with the basic kernel system. :-) K.S. PS -- Is there any effort underway to get XSuSE's drivers officially supported on FreeBSD, or will that happen when they're officially brought into XFree86? The ones I've used so far are really good. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 11 10:52:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA21431 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:52:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxyb2.san.rr.com (proxyb2-atm.san.rr.com [204.210.0.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA21343; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:52:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (dt051n19.san.rr.com [204.210.32.25]) by proxyb2.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10116; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:49:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34E1F2C5.DF51320D@dal.net> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:49:41 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE-0131 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hybrid@slip.net CC: freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Correction References: <34DFDDA2.150A@slip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bobby LaThanh wrote: > > The 2000 bug is NOT a Millenium bug. In addition to the numerous faulty assumptions you're making here, you're fighting a huge uphill battle against the common usage. However of the various arguments I've heard regarding this, yours are the weakest. > The 1st Millenium went from the year 1 to 1000 To start, there was no year 1. The best guess from those who've studied this is that the year of Jesus' birth was approximately what we would call 4 A.D. Even this date is up to dispute however. > The 2nd Millenium is from the year 1001 to 2000 Even assuming that 1001 is accurate, you're neglecting several important items, not the least of which is the change from julian to gregorian calendars. > The New Millenium wil not be until 2001... > > Same idea goes for the 21st century which will also not start until 2001 Finally, your conclusions are extremely Anglo-centric. There are lots of population groups in the world (in fact, a significant percentage if not the majority) who don't give a hoot about your "next millenium" because they don't measure time the same way we do. The most correct terminology is the one most commonly used, which is to refer to the "Year 2000 problem," or as it is often abbreviated, "Y2K." If you'd like to follow up on the socio-political aspects of the post, please do so on -chat. Hope this is of interest to someone, :) Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 11 21:57:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08579 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:57:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA08377 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:55:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA07900; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:55:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA02981; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:55:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:55:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199802120555.WAA02981@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Stephen McKay Cc: Nate Williams , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Unsubscribe trailers (Was Re: cvs commit...) md5 In-Reply-To: <199802120534.PAA03752@ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au> References: <199802080232.SAA20916@freefall.freebsd.org> <199802081842.NAA05129@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <199802081904.MAA18581@mt.sri.com> <199802120534.PAA03752@ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ Moved to -chat ] > This junk quickly drove me to distraction, so now I filter those lines out > of each message. It is relatively easy if you are already running procmail. Inquiring minds want to know. :) Nate ps. If you've subscribed to the FreeBSD mailing list and *don't* use procmail, then you may as well just unsubsribe cause you'll never catch up. :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 11 22:50:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15620 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:50:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15614 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:50:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt2-152.HiWAAY.net [208.147.148.152]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA01674 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:50:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA07007 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:50:15 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802120650.AAA07007@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Unsubscribe trailers (Was Re: cvs commit...) md5 In-reply-to: Message from Nate Williams of "Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:55:33 MST." <199802120555.WAA02981@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:50:14 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nate Williams writes: > > ps. If you've subscribed to the FreeBSD mailing list and *don't* use > procmail, then you may as well just unsubsribe cause you'll never catch > up. :) Uh, can I remain subscribed if I use slocal? :-) -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 11 22:56:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA16115 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:56:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ren.dtir.qld.gov.au (firewall-user@ns.dtir.qld.gov.au [203.108.138.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA16103 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:56:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from syssgm@dtir.qld.gov.au) Received: by ren.dtir.qld.gov.au; id QAA10349; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:57:49 +1000 (EST) Received: from ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au(167.123.8.3) by ren.dtir.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma010345; Thu, 12 Feb 98 16:57:21 +1000 Received: from troll.dtir.qld.gov.au (troll.dtir.qld.gov.au [167.123.8.1]) by ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA07580; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:53:09 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (syssgm@localhost) by troll.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA05569; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:53:05 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199802120653.QAA05569@troll.dtir.qld.gov.au> X-Authentication-Warning: troll.dtir.qld.gov.au: syssgm@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Nate Williams cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, syssgm@dtir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: Unsubscribe trailers (Was Re: cvs commit...) md5 References: <199802080232.SAA20916@freefall.freebsd.org> <199802081842.NAA05129@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <199802081904.MAA18581@mt.sri.com> <199802120534.PAA03752@ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au> <199802120555.WAA02981@mt.sri.com> In-Reply-To: <199802120555.WAA02981@mt.sri.com> from Nate Williams at "Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:55:33 -0700" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:53:05 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 11th February 1998, Nate Williams wrote: >> This junk quickly drove me to distraction, so now I filter those lines out >> of each message. It is relatively easy if you are already running procmail. > >Inquiring minds want to know. :) Well, I actually have an awk script that mangles the headers and posts each message to a local news group (not forwarded anywhere). So, the unsubscribe filter is only a little tweak to that. My script already buffers the entire body just to get the number to put in the Lines: field. But it shouldn't be hard to build your own little awk or perl script and put it in your .procmailrc, like: :0 w * ^From owner-freebsd-hackers | guff_filter | rcvstore +hackers This assumes you are using MH (the world's greatest mail reader). The snip of awk that does the deed is: function trim_hack(n, lines, group) { if (lines[n-2] !~ /^$/) return n if (lines[n-1] !~ /^To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD\.org$/) return n if (lines[n] !~ "^with \"unsubscribe (freebsd-)?" group "\" in the body of the message$") return n return n - 3 } Make of this what you will. :-) >ps. If you've subscribed to the FreeBSD mailing list and *don't* use >procmail, then you may as well just unsubsribe cause you'll never catch >up. :) I never actually catch up! I scan the recent topics and dive in when I can. Expire takes care of the rest. I wouldn't have time to read any code if I read all the lists. All the politics and scuffles are entertaining for a while, but I'm really in it for the low level bit shuffling. ;-) Stephen. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 12 01:28:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03057 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 01:28:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA03049 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 01:28:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA08639; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:27:59 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980212202757.47956@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:27:57 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Unsubscribe trailers (Was Re: cvs commit...) md5 References: <199802080232.SAA20916@freefall.freebsd.org> <199802081842.NAA05129@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <199802081904.MAA18581@mt.sri.com> <199802120534.PAA03752@ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au> <199802120555.WAA02981@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199802120555.WAA02981@mt.sri.com>; from Nate Williams on Wed, Feb 11, 1998 at 10:55:33PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Feb 11, 1998 at 10:55:33PM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: > ps. If you've subscribed to the FreeBSD mailing list and *don't* use > procmail, then you may as well just unsubsribe cause you'll never catch > up. :) I just subscribe as my alter ego, and read the stuff when my ego feels like being altered :-) BTW, what happened to the unsubscribe info in the headers? I thought that was a great idea and was about to pinch it for another list. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 12 06:35:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA04220 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:35:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [198.53.145.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA04208 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:35:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paulg@interlog.com) Received: from shell1.interlog.com (paulg@shell1.interlog.com [207.34.202.8]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.8.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA02489 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:35:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:35:36 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Griffith To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: New Unixbook w/ FreeBSD -long Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I notice this on the www.Amazon.com site, it includes a FreeBSD binary v2.2.5 CD, and Red Hat v4.2. I was hoping some could update: www.freebsd.org/publish.html -------------------- long: From the Amazon site -------------------- Unix Unleashed : Internet Edition (Unleashed) by Robin Burk, David B. Horvath Bk&Disk Edition Hardcover, 1100 pages Amazon.com: Become a graphical user interface (GUI) expert from both the end user's and programmer's perspectives with Unix Unleashed: Internet Edition. You'll learn about the tools used with the World Wide Web and how to transmit binary files via e-mail. In addition, the volume includes supplementary material on HTML, MIME formats, and HTTP and serves as a tutorial on text editing and basic programming with vi and Emacs. You will learn how to program Unix and CGI with awk, Perl, C, and C++. The book includes information on how to monitor your Web server's activity and optimize its performance and how to manage your development cycle and programmer teams with version tracking systems such as RCS (Revision Control System), CVS (Concurrent Version System), or SCCS (Source Code Control System). You'll even get the lowdown on Unix security risks, available security tools, and helpful organizations. This edition includes software, tools, source code, and a CD-ROM version. The first edition of Unix Unleashed provided a thick, comprehensive guide to the basic tools of the Unix trade, covering everything from system administration to the windowing system to the compiler environments. The guide also featured information on other tools, such as the vi editor, the command shells, the AWK, PERL, C and C++ languages, and instructions on text formatting, version control, and security features. The current edition improves on earlier releases with a beefy section on Internet technologies--the HTTP protocol, Web servers, CGI programming, MIME, and even a basic guide to HTML. Sections addressing specific issues with particular implementations of Unix, including Advanced Interactive Executive (AIX), Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD), Linux, Solaris, HP-UX, IRIX, and SVR4 round out this handy reference guide. The book also includes a jargon glossary and copious FAQ document in case any or all of these topics are completely unfamiliar. Finally, the book includes a CD-ROM with a full binary release version of FreeBSD 2.2.5, Linux Red Hat 4.2 release for x86, Perl 5.x, a host of utilities, and an electronic version of both this book and its companion System Administrator's Edition. Paul Griffith - paulg@interlog.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 12 11:24:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14963 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:24:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14858 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:23:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA11370 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:23:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:23:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Star Trek, The Experience Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know, horribly off topic, but this weekend when I went to see the Experience (For those that have missed the ads, that's the virutal reality shuttle ride that the Las Vegas Hilton is putting on). After going through the museum and the ride, they've got this area that is designed after the pomenade on DS9. (Don't worry, I'll get to the funny part soon). On the Pomenade, they've got all these computer info centers with touch screens designed to look like the terminals you see in the later ST shows. I can't tell you how well these work, because every one that I found fell into four categories. 1) the touchscreen was dead, though the computer seened functional, since it ran through its demo mode. 2) the touchscreen worked fine, but the computer was locked at some kind of "failure to load module" screen. (these two accounted for at least 85% of the terminals) 3) There was a big crowd around a working terminal, and I didn't feel like pushing my way through. 4) and finally, the last category, the one that had me laughing hysterically, one terminal permanantly stuck at an NT blue screen. Even my wife got the joke when I said "400 years, and they still can't make it work!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 12 15:56:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02812 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:56:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02634; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:56:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199802122356.PAA02634@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe trailers (Was Re: cvs commit...) md5 In-Reply-To: <199802120650.AAA07007@nospam.hiwaay.net> from David Kelly at "Feb 12, 98 00:50:14 am" To: dkelly@hiwaay.net (David Kelly) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:56:09 -0800 (PST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Kelly wrote: > Nate Williams writes: > > > > ps. If you've subscribed to the FreeBSD mailing list and *don't* use > > procmail, then you may as well just unsubsribe cause you'll never catch > > up. :) > > Uh, can I remain subscribed if I use slocal? :-) > now i understand why i have trouble keeping up. i dont use procmail or slocal. i just read the stuff. didnt know i was supposed to file and forget ;) jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 12 16:09:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05542 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:09:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05516; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:09:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA22422; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:09:14 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA29678; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:09:14 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980213010914.12742@follo.net> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:09:14 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , David Kelly Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Unsubscribe trailers (Was Re: cvs commit...) md5 References: <199802120650.AAA07007@nospam.hiwaay.net> <199802122356.PAA02634@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199802122356.PAA02634@hub.freebsd.org>; from Jonathan M. Bresler on Thu, Feb 12, 1998 at 03:56:09PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Feb 12, 1998 at 03:56:09PM -0800, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > David Kelly wrote: > > Nate Williams writes: > > > > > > ps. If you've subscribed to the FreeBSD mailing list and *don't* use > > > procmail, then you may as well just unsubsribe cause you'll never catch > > > up. :) > > > > Uh, can I remain subscribed if I use slocal? :-) > > > > now i understand why i have trouble keeping up. > i dont use procmail or slocal. > i just read the stuff. > didnt know i was supposed to file and forget ;) Gnus is your friend ... probably. I've still not found anything that I'm fully satisfied with; right now I'm using mutt and debating whether to go back to Gnus, as threading in mutt slows down _horribly_ with only 4000-5000 mail in a mailbox :-( Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 12 22:22:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29555 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:22:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smoke.marlboro.vt.us (smoke.marlboro.vt.us [198.206.215.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA29103 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:20:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cgull@smoke.marlboro.vt.us) Received: (from cgull@localhost) by smoke.marlboro.vt.us (8.8.7/8.8.7/cgull) id BAA07505; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:20:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:20:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802130620.BAA07505@smoke.marlboro.vt.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cgull+usenet-887349853@smoke.marlboro.vt.us (john hood) To: David Kelly Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: On a lighter note (was Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf files) In-Reply-To: <199802071541.JAA19109@nospam.hiwaay.net> References: <385.886746503@gringo.cdrom.com> <199802071541.JAA19109@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.31 under Emacs 19.34.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Kelly writes: > Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > > > > Of course, if you think you have a more scalable solution then my only > > suggestion would be to implement it and see how it works. We've tried > > a number of different things over the last 5 years and pretty much all > > of them have failed, so I don't think anyone will dispute the validity > > of your concepts so much as the validity of trying to make such things > > actually work in this context. > > I'm impressed that Jordan typed 5 lines in a row of exactly the same > length. Was suspicious of the two spaces in the 2nd line but on review > of other messages from Jordan, that's the way he types. Now, on the subjects of justification and other textual gags-- i believe our reader will agree with this writer that there is a visible limit upon all such insanities. :) --jh -- Mr. Belliveau said, "the difference was the wise, John Hood, cgull intelligent look on the face of the cow." He was @ *so* right. --Ofer Inbar smoke.marlboro.vt.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 13 00:07:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA16795 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:07:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from eiche.bik-gmbh.de (eiche.bik-gmbh.de [194.233.237.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA16766 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:07:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lgk@eiche.bik-gmbh.de) Received: from localhost (lgk@localhost) by eiche.bik-gmbh.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA20802; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:04:49 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:04:49 +0100 (CET) From: Lars Gerhard Kuehl To: Mike Smith cc: Luigi Rizzo , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: General policy on trademark violations In-Reply-To: <199802122304.PAA04609@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > and feel are getting too far. Not to mention sound. I'm now calling > > > all the non-door openings on my house "Fenster", because the English > > > translation now belongs to a voracious American company. > > > > and I have heard in some countries said company uses the national > > translation as the product name... > > "Fenstern". Sounds like a hormone supplement for chickens. For cocks only. (De vieni a la finestra... :-) Lars To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 13 00:10:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA17474 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:10:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA17372 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:09:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA27046; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:09:07 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA01094; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:09:06 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980213090906.59752@follo.net> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:09:06 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: john hood Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On a lighter note (was Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf files) References: <385.886746503@gringo.cdrom.com> <199802071541.JAA19109@nospam.hiwaay.net> <199802130620.BAA07505@smoke.marlboro.vt.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199802130620.BAA07505@smoke.marlboro.vt.us>; from john hood on Fri, Feb 13, 1998 at 01:20:46AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Feb 13, 1998 at 01:20:46AM -0500, john hood wrote: > David Kelly writes: > > Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > > > > > > Of course, if you think you have a more scalable solution then my only > > > suggestion would be to implement it and see how it works. We've tried > > > a number of different things over the last 5 years and pretty much all > > > of them have failed, so I don't think anyone will dispute the validity > > > of your concepts so much as the validity of trying to make such things > > > actually work in this context. > > > > I'm impressed that Jordan typed 5 lines in a row of exactly the same > > length. Was suspicious of the two spaces in the 2nd line but on review > > of other messages from Jordan, that's the way he types. > > Now, on the subjects > of justification and > other textual gags-- > i believe our reader > will agree with this > writer that there is > a visible limit upon > all such insanities. I find tricks like the above most fun when there are text more than ones side, and extra spaces and other junk flow perfectly as normal. It really isn't too difficult; just remember to type as usual, doing small changes to phrases every time you miss a beat. What's really neat is having some reasonable text if you read backwards, forwards, and sometimes even on the diagonals. The parlour trick still is the edges; it looks neat, but you can put out any text very easily. This is just a simple demo; if you read the el33t norwegian groups, you'll find really it impressive. It really isn't too difficult; just type up the words you want to match, and you'll find that there are lots of flexibility. We have it in some newsgroups with an extreme tone, which tends to find insulting messages put every which way through textblocks :-) And then it is _really_ irritating when you find you've done a typo after having typed an entire block of text... (Which I just did above; ARGH!) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 13 08:09:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA14072 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:09:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hwcn.org (james.hwcn.org [199.212.94.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13932 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:09:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hoek@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by hwcn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA11943; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:51:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:51:03 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Mike Smith , A Joseph Koshy , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: General policy on trademark violations In-Reply-To: <6186.887370876@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Cc: changed to -chat... hint!] On Fri, 13 Feb 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > There was so much hullabaloo over it that I just threw my arms up in > disgust and dropped the issue entirely - I couldn't find one person > who actually PLAYED the friggin' game, mind you, but lots of folks Well, I will play it on occasion, but there was no way I was going to admit to that in public... (Ooops... ;) Especially not in the midst/heals of a "Get rid of all the games, Tcl, and kernel!" rallying cry. :) I tend to look on its departure as the opportunity to replace it with an X version. for those who are so willing to fight for it. -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 13 11:51:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22929 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:51:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stratos.net (pm3-2-10.stratos.net [209.81.153.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22809 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:51:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drifter@stratos.net) Received: (from drifter@localhost) by stratos.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA15280 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:56:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:56:09 -0500 (EST) From: Drifter Message-Id: <199802131956.OAA15280@stratos.net> To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Garbage messages... Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I keep getting garbage messages from the FreeBSD mailing lists. I.e., I get a bunch of messages from "owner-freebsd-questions" and "owner-freebsd-chat" that either have nothing in their message bodies or more usually, a ">" or two quoting absolutely nothing. Has anyone else but getting this? I'm using MH 6.8.4 to read my mail by the way, but I don't think it's my mail reader that is doing this. Any ideas? -Drifter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 13 12:40:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02637 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:40:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02615 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:40:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@vnode.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12402; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:46:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: <19980213154654.58249@vmunix.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:46:54 -0500 From: Mark Mayo To: Drifter Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Garbage messages... References: <199802131956.OAA15280@stratos.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199802131956.OAA15280@stratos.net>; from Drifter on Fri, Feb 13, 1998 at 02:56:09PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Feb 13, 1998 at 02:56:09PM -0500, Drifter wrote: > > > I keep getting garbage messages from the FreeBSD mailing lists. > I.e., I get a bunch of messages from "owner-freebsd-questions" and > "owner-freebsd-chat" that either have nothing in their message bodies > or more usually, a ">" or two quoting absolutely nothing. > Has anyone else but getting this? FWIW, I get these occasionally as well... No idea why. -Mark > I'm using MH 6.8.4 to read my mail by the way, but I don't > think it's my mail reader that is doing this. > > Any ideas? > > -Drifter > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Win95/NT - 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -UGU To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 13 13:25:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA10896 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:25:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA10869 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:25:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA10053; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:24:59 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA05840; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:24:59 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980213222459.24281@follo.net> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:24:59 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Curt Sampson Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: General policy on trademark violations References: <199802130737.IAA01675@sos.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Curt Sampson on Fri, Feb 13, 1998 at 11:15:17AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Feb 13, 1998 at 11:15:17AM -0800, Curt Sampson wrote: > On Fri, 13 Feb 1998, Søren Schmidt wrote: [... on trademarks ...] > > This is just some lawyers trying to make $$, when it gets clear to > > them that there is NONE, they will find other things to persue > > pretty quickly. > > You don't appear to have any understanding of trademark law > whatsoever. Money is not the issue here. If a trademark owner > discovers someone wrongly using his trademark and he does not take > action to stop it, he risks loosing the trademark. Thus, a trademark > owner is basically obliged to ask misusers to desist, and even sue > them if they refuse. > > If you don't like this state of things, you should be trying to > change US trademark law, not blaming the trademark owner, who is > simply doing what trademark law insists that he do. If they'd wanted to avoid the problem and do a public relations coup, they should have offered to sell a license for a symbolic sum ('an undisclosed sum' as they tend to call such things :-) They could still sue anybody else that is in violation, without negative precedence. So the blame lies IMHO squarely with Hasbro, or Hasbros lawyer (for not thinking of this possibility). Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 13 13:29:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11967 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:29:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11910 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:29:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA09997; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:20:32 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA05829; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:20:32 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980213222031.04691@follo.net> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:20:31 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Wilko Bulte Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: General policy on trademark violations References: <199802131610.JAA06143@harmony.village.org> <199802131726.SAA11890@yedi.iaf.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199802131726.SAA11890@yedi.iaf.nl>; from Wilko Bulte on Fri, Feb 13, 1998 at 06:26:10PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Moved to -chat] On Fri, Feb 13, 1998 at 06:26:10PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > What will FreeBSD Inc do if say a big company near Seattle sues > FreeBSD Inc for something? Theoretical maybe (probably ;-) but > the case is clear: no way the 'Chuck defense team' would ever win. > No $$ to burn. FreeBSD is international. FreeBSD main repository would move. I hope we wouldn't get any factions at the same time, but it really shouldn't be too much of a problem. Heck, we're only 4-5 machines and a T1. And disks are at $300 for 6.3GB at the moment... Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 13 13:36:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13375 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:36:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13366 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:36:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA10201; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:36:25 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA05881; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:36:25 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980213223624.10285@follo.net> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:36:24 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Curt Sampson Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: General policy on trademark violations References: <19980213222459.24281@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Curt Sampson on Fri, Feb 13, 1998 at 01:32:21PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Feb 13, 1998 at 01:32:21PM -0800, Curt Sampson wrote: > On Fri, 13 Feb 1998, Eivind Eklund wrote: > > > If they'd wanted to avoid the problem and do a public relations coup, > > they should have offered to sell a license for a symbolic sum ('an > > undisclosed sum' as they tend to call such things :-) > > What sort of public relations coup would that be? Making a few > anal-retentive people on an obscure mailing list happy about keeping > something they never use hardly counts as a `coup' in my books. For essensially zero cost they'd be able to have us send a very positive announcement to 1/2 million FreeBSD users. They could certainly have included some requirement to announcements in the release-notes etc. I'd say they had a nice opportunity for showing that "we're the good guys", and they would have gotten the attention of people that otherwise don't really give a hoot about Boggle (like me). Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 13 14:39:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23386 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:39:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cynic.portal.ca (root@cynic.portal.ca [204.174.36.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23345 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:39:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjs@portal.ca) Received: from localhost ([[UNIX: localhost]]) by cynic.portal.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA07109; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:32:21 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: cynic.portal.ca: cjs owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:32:21 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Sampson To: Eivind Eklund cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: General policy on trademark violations In-Reply-To: <19980213222459.24281@follo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 13 Feb 1998, Eivind Eklund wrote: > If they'd wanted to avoid the problem and do a public relations coup, > they should have offered to sell a license for a symbolic sum ('an > undisclosed sum' as they tend to call such things :-) What sort of public relations coup would that be? Making a few anal-retentive people on an obscure mailing list happy about keeping something they never use hardly counts as a `coup' in my books. cjs Curt Sampson cjs@portal.ca Info at http://www.portal.ca/ Internet Portal Services, Inc. Through infinite mist, software reverberates Vancouver, BC (604) 257-9400 In code possess'd of invisible folly. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 13 20:35:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA25054 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:35:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA25032 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:35:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt3-115.HiWAAY.net [208.147.146.115]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA18665 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:35:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA14454 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:47:43 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802140347.VAA14454@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: On a lighter note (was Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf files) In-reply-to: Message from cgull+usenet-887349853@smoke.marlboro.vt.us (john hood) of "Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:20:46 EST." <199802130620.BAA07505@smoke.marlboro.vt.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:47:43 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org john hood writes: > David Kelly writes: > > Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > > > > > > Of course, if you think you have a more scalable solution then my only > > > suggestion would be to implement it and see how it works. We've tried > > > a number of different things over the last 5 years and pretty much all > > > of them have failed, so I don't think anyone will dispute the validity > > > of your concepts so much as the validity of trying to make such things > > > actually work in this context. > > > > I'm impressed that Jordan typed 5 lines in a row of exactly the same > > length. Was suspicious of the two spaces in the 2nd line but on review > > of other messages from Jordan, that's the way he types. > > Now, on the subjects > of justification and > other textual gags-- > i believe our reader > will agree with this > writer that there is > a visible limit upon > all such insanities. > > :) John's reply looks like something that belongs in the fortune(6) database. :-) "fortune -m justification" didn't find it. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 14 05:43:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA20001 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 05:43:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from host-c202.tidalwave.net (host-c202.tidalwave.net [208.213.201.202] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA19982 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 05:43:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@sbsgroup.com) From: peter@sbsgroup.com Received: from sbsgroup.com (unverified [208.213.201.202]) by host-c202.tidalwave.net (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:43:46 -0500 Message-ID: To: afklein@inetminas.estaminas.com.br CC: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 14 Feb 98 08:43:46 -0500 Subject: I found your website. X-Mailer: sbsgroup.com Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I found your website and noticed that you are employing the use of Meta tag keywords in order to associate your website with particular words or prases. We have been using keywords on our own accounting software website for several years now. Despite expensive programmers (and continued use of keyword meta tags), we still were not getting much traffic. Eventually, I personally took an active role in promoting our own internet presence and have learned and developed many tools and skills that have enabled us to finally turn a profit. First of all, I learned that when using one of the top search engines, our website never turned up within the first several pages unless you searched on our exact company name. Which of course meant that I was the only person finding our website on the search engines. My focus became maximizing our search engine exposure. Now my webpage comes up with as many as 5 out of the top 10 results when searching on most of our primary keywords. Our website traffic has increased dramatically with new customer leads every day. You can learn how we achieved this at http://www.webdigger.com and how we continually monitor our website's position on each of the top search engines. I've even included the results of our own search engine effectiveness to demonstrate the uncontrollable ups and downs we've seen. I hope this helps. Let me know if it doesn't and maybe I can offer some additional suggestions. Peter Roebuck Strategic Business Solutions Group, Inc. Specializing in SBT Accounting Software...and website promotion. http://www.sbsgroup.com http://www.webdigger.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 14 08:14:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA07947 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:14:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.my.domain (ppp7247.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.249.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA07881 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:14:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA00427; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:13:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: tim owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:12:58 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek X-Sender: tim@localhost Reply-To: ac199@hwcn.org To: peter@sbsgroup.com cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I found your website. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 14 Feb 1998 peter@sbsgroup.com wrote: > became maximizing our search engine exposure. Now my webpage comes up > with as many as 5 out of the top 10 results when searching on most of > our primary keywords. Our website traffic has increased dramatically Speaking of which, I don't see FreeBSD's advert on Yahoo anymore... :-( I rather liked searching for Linux and getting a FreeBSD advert in my face... ;) -- tIM...HOEk OPTIMIZATION: the process of using many one-letter variables names hoping that the resultant code will run faster. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message