From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 00:21:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA27003 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 00:21:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles144.castles.com [208.214.165.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA26980 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 00:20:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA02590; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 00:25:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810040725.AAA02590@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Tom Jackson cc: Mike Smith , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CRUSH after recompile kernel... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 00:38:57 CDT." <19981004003857.A329@TOJ.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 00:25:45 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Try other slices, eg: 'ls disk1s1a:'. It's not unlikely that there's a > > miscalculation in the slice numbering somewhere. > > > > I first wanted to try my Thinkpad with a dangerously dedicated ide and the > src and obj nfs mounted from the server (the one that doesn't work). The > Thinkpad works fine. > > The server, asus p2l97-ds w/ 1005 bios, does indeed have another partition > before FBSD. 1 is w95, 2 is FBSD boot, and 3 is FBSD. I tried ls'ing every- > thing I could think of and nothing works. I'll include the fdisk and disklabel. > > Any suggestion on what to try? Hang back and watch for some more commits - I appear to have made some mistakes in the 'guess what the root device is' code. On a box I just booted with quite old bootblocks, I get the "Can't work out which disk we are booting from" message, and the default device is 'disk-1a'. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 01:19:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA02672 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 01:19:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA02666 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 01:19:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 20727 invoked by uid 1001); 4 Oct 1998 08:19:19 +0000 (GMT) To: shocking@prth.pgs.com, tlambert@primenet.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 08:40:16 +0200" References: <20336.907483216@verdi.nethelp.no> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 10:19:19 +0200 Message-ID: <20725.907489159@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Unfortunately, this may end up being a similar situation to the Linux ELF libs > > thatb are shipped on the XiG CD, inthat there are all sorts of assumptions > > made about the internals of libc and some of the funny stuff it exports. > > Well, I have one of the "free" Solaris CDROMs. Not being an X11/Motif/JDK > expert, it's unclear to me what needs to be done here. Anybody care to be > a bit more explicit? I may have an answer to my own question. Trying the examples from the O'Reilly books, ch. 02, I get: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `_xmknod' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `stat64' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `__filbuf' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `fork1' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `__xpg4' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `nl_langinfo' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `__ctype_mask' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `readdir64' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `lstat64' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `readdir64_r' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `___errno' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `iswalnum' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `__iob' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `fopen64' So it does indeed look like the Solaris Motif library needs more from other libraries than is currently available. Possibly some of this might exist in the NetBSD Solaris emulation - I haven't checked. > It should also be mentioned that the Solaris 2.6 patch 105285-15 contains > the complete Motif library, like so: > > % tar xvzf 105285-15.tar.Z 105285-15/SUNWmfrun/reloc/dt/lib/libXm.so.3 Of course, it doesn't contain the Motif include files - but those are on the "free" Solaris CDROM. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 01:32:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03777 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 01:32:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles144.castles.com [208.214.165.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA03772 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 01:32:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA02962 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 01:37:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810040837.BAA02962@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 10:19:19 +0200." <20725.907489159@verdi.nethelp.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 01:37:48 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bastard! You killed Terry! > > > Unfortunately, this may end up being a similar situation to the Linux ELF libs > > > thatb are shipped on the XiG CD, inthat there are all sorts of assumptions > > > made about the internals of libc and some of the funny stuff it exports. > > > > Well, I have one of the "free" Solaris CDROMs. Not being an X11/Motif/JDK > > expert, it's unclear to me what needs to be done here. Anybody care to be > > a bit more explicit? > > I may have an answer to my own question. Trying the examples from the > O'Reilly books, ch. 02, I get: > > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `_xmknod' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `stat64' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `__filbuf' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `fork1' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `__xpg4' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `nl_langinfo' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `__ctype_mask' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `readdir64' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `lstat64' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `readdir64_r' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `___errno' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `iswalnum' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `__iob' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so: undefined reference to `fopen64' > > So it does indeed look like the Solaris Motif library needs more from > other libraries than is currently available. Possibly some of this might > exist in the NetBSD Solaris emulation - I haven't checked. Most of these will require library shims, obviously enough. (Apologies for the South Park reference.) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 02:15:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA07442 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 02:15:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles144.castles.com [208.214.165.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA07422 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 02:14:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA03330; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 02:19:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810040919.CAA03330@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Tom Jackson cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CRUSH after recompile kernel... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 00:25:45 PDT." <199810040725.AAA02590@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 02:19:43 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Try other slices, eg: 'ls disk1s1a:'. It's not unlikely that there's a > > > miscalculation in the slice numbering somewhere. > > > > I first wanted to try my Thinkpad with a dangerously dedicated ide and the > > src and obj nfs mounted from the server (the one that doesn't work). The > > Thinkpad works fine. > > > > The server, asus p2l97-ds w/ 1005 bios, does indeed have another partition > > before FBSD. 1 is w95, 2 is FBSD boot, and 3 is FBSD. I tried ls'ing every- > > thing I could think of and nothing works. I'll include the fdisk and disklabel. > > > > Any suggestion on what to try? > > Hang back and watch for some more commits - I appear to have made some > mistakes in the 'guess what the root device is' code. On a box I just > booted with quite old bootblocks, I get the "Can't work out which disk > we are booting from" message, and the default device is 'disk-1a'. Ok. I've committed a few fixes now. I'm still seeing an odd case here where the information from the previous bootstrap isn't being copied in correctly, so the default disk is set wrong at startup, but I need to chase this with Mr Nordier. Let me know how you go. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 02:22:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA08111 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 02:22:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from atlrel1.hp.com (atlrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA08098 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 02:22:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelc@hpbbse.bbn.hp.com) Received: from hpbbse.bbn.hp.com (hpbbse.bbn.hp.com [15.136.26.26]) by atlrel1.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id FAA06625 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 05:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (michaelc@localhost) by hpbbse.bbn.hp.com with ESMTP (8.7.6/8.7.3) id LAA21396 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:21:45 +0200 (METDST) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:21:45 +0200 (METDST) From: Michael Class To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Problem with 3-stage bootloader Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I was just trying to use the new 3-stage bootloader. It failed for my setup. To me it looks like it will only work, if the FreeBSD slice is the first in the partition-table of a disk. I can make it to work with the following patch (not meant as a correct solution, but to give you an idea, of what the reason for the failure is). Basically only the first slice-table entry is copied, but afterwards the code assumes that all 4 entries are in memory. *** biosdisk.c Sun Oct 4 11:08:12 1998 --- biosdisk.c.orig Sun Oct 4 11:07:22 1998 *************** *** 78,84 **** #define BD_MODEEDD3 0x2 #define BD_FLOPPY (1<<2) struct disklabel od_disklabel; ! struct dos_partition od_parttab[4]; #define BD_LABELOK (1<<3) #define BD_PARTTABOK (1<<4) }; --- 78,84 ---- #define BD_MODEEDD3 0x2 #define BD_FLOPPY (1<<2) struct disklabel od_disklabel; ! struct dos_partition od_parttab; #define BD_LABELOK (1<<3) #define BD_PARTTABOK (1<<4) }; *************** *** 288,294 **** sector = 0; goto unsliced; /* may be a floppy */ } ! bcopy(buf + DOSPARTOFF, &od->od_parttab, sizeof(struct dos_partition) * 4); dptr = &od->od_parttab; od->od_flags |= BD_PARTTABOK; --- 288,294 ---- sector = 0; goto unsliced; /* may be a floppy */ } ! bcopy(buf + DOSPARTOFF, &od->od_parttab, sizeof(struct dos_partition)); dptr = &od->od_parttab; od->od_flags |= BD_PARTTABOK; After this patch I can boot an aout-kernel on my machine. Unfortunately I am still failing on an ELF-Kernel. I get immediately dropped in the debugger, but a stacktrace gives only garbage back. Michael ___________________________________________________________________________ Michael Class E-Mail: michael_class@hp.com E-Business Solutions Center Phone: +49 7031 14-3707 EBSO-SERC Fax: +49 7031 14-4196 ___________________________________________________________________________ Hewlett-Packard GmbH, PO Box 1430, 71004 Boeblingen Sitz der Gesellschaft: Böblingen, Amtsgericht Böblingen HRB 4081 Geschäftsführer: Jörg Menno Harms (Vorsitzender), Heribert Schmitz, Rudi Speier, Fritz Schuller, Hans-Günter Hohmann ___________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 03:08:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA12202 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 03:08:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles144.castles.com [208.214.165.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA12145 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 03:07:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA03555; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 03:10:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810041010.DAA03555@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Michael Class cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with 3-stage bootloader In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 11:21:45 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 03:10:41 -0700 From: Mike Smith Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id DAA12161 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hello, > > I was just trying to use the new 3-stage bootloader. > It failed for my setup. To me it looks like it will only work, > if the FreeBSD slice is the first in the partition-table of a disk. > I can make it to work with the following patch (not meant as a > correct solution, but to give you an idea, of what the reason for > the failure is). Basically only the first slice-table entry is copied, > but afterwards the code assumes that all 4 entries are in memory. Thanks; I just fixed this. > After this patch I can boot an aout-kernel on my machine. Unfortunately > I am still failing on an ELF-Kernel. I get immediately dropped in the > debugger, but a stacktrace gives only garbage back. I think this is fixed too - try initialising ssym and esym to 0 in elf_exec and see if that helps. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 03:25:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA14679 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 03:25:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cons.org (knight.cons.org [194.233.237.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA14647 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 03:25:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cracauer@cons.org) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by cons.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) id MAA02798; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:24:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19981004122417.A2793@cons.org> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:24:17 +0200 From: Martin Cracauer To: Terry Lambert , Chuck Robey Cc: nate@mt.sri.com, cracauer@cons.org, osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? References: <199810040411.VAA25038@usr06.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <199810040411.VAA25038@usr06.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 04:11:46AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <199810040411.VAA25038@usr06.primenet.com>, Terry Lambert wrote: > > I'm taking from this that not having a Motif lib in elf is dragging > > things back. I'm totally non-suprised (I've been nagging XiG to get by > > personal favorite one done for a while now). I would hope that, when > > someone _does_ find a vendor of Motif in ELF, there will be a quick > > announcement on the lists ... don't consider it advertising, we _need_ > > this. > > Someone needs to flush $15 on the "free" Solaris and/or UnixWare CDROM, > which has an ELF Motif library on it. And this library won't use any system or libc calls that might be incompatible in FreeBSD? Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer Tel.: (private) +4940 5221829 Fax.: (private) +4940 5228536 Paper: (private) Waldstrasse 200, 22846 Norderstedt, Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 04:04:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA21080 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 04:04:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcarchive.cdrom.com (wcarchive.cdrom.com [209.155.82.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA21015 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 04:04:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@wcarchive.cdrom.com) Received: (from jkh@localhost) by wcarchive.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id EAA29623 for current@freebsd.org; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 04:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 04:03:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199810041103.EAA29623@wcarchive.cdrom.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: To comemorate ftp.cdrom.com's resurrection Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (and these new Mylex RAID arrays look like it was well-worth the downtime) I've rolled and uploaded a new 3.0 BETA snapshot, the nice things about this one being that: a) it has full package/X bits available and b) it's easier to select in the FTP URL menu. :-) ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/3.0-19981003-BETA - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 05:09:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA28038 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 05:09:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cons.org (knight.cons.org [194.233.237.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA27918 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 05:08:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cracauer@cons.org) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by cons.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) id OAA02963 for current@freebsd.org; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:08:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19981004140811.A2950@cons.org> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:08:11 +0200 From: Martin Cracauer To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: gdb to examine aout coredump on an elf system? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What can I do to examine a coredump produced by an aout binary (i.e. kernel) when my gdb is ELF? Someone said one can build an aout gdb on -current, but failed to said how and it isn't obvious to me since the gdb in our tree can't be built at all when starting from ./configure. A -stable gdb on -current says it doesn't recognize the format of the core dump. Thanks Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer Tel.: (private) +4940 5221829 Fax.: (private) +4940 5228536 Paper: (private) Waldstrasse 200, 22846 Norderstedt, Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 06:03:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA05998 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 06:03:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.uninet.ee (ns.uninet.ee [194.204.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA05962 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 06:03:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from taavi@uninet.ee) Received: from localhost (taavi@localhost) by ns.uninet.ee (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14989 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:02:50 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:02:50 +0300 (EEST) From: Taavi Talvik To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Time to review HARDWARE.TXT etc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It's time to review informational files in 3.0. Issues from top of head: There is no support for aic, nca, sea ing GENERIC DPT controllesrs are now supported in GENERIC. best regards, taavi ----------------------------------------------------------- Taavi Talvik | Internet: taavi@uninet.ee Unineti Andmeside AS | phone: +372 6405150 Ravala pst. 10-412 | fax: +372 6405151 EE0001, Tallinn, Estonia | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 06:18:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA08181 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 06:18:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA08176 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 06:18:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@caladan.tdx.co.uk) Received: (from kpielorz@localhost) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA00221 for current@freebsd.org; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:18:12 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:18:12 +0100 (BST) From: Karl Pielorz Message-Id: <199810041318.OAA00221@caladan.tdx.co.uk> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Now ELF, CAM but no serial console? Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi All, I've just put my system finally through a few busy hours and I'm now running -current as of 11am 10/04/98... The upgrades etc. went OK - but now I'm getting kernel traps when I push the disks... I'm trying to setup a serial console to capture the panics, but I'm not having much luck... I've set si0 to have flags of 0x20, and I boot with '-h' (by doing echo "-h" >/boot.config) - I also have options DDB and DDB_UNATTENDED in my kernel config, as well as CONSPEED=57600... When booting I get the usual '>> FreeBSD BOOT @ ...' messages sent to the serial port, but they stop just after the system says 'entry point=0x100000'. When the system panics, it's only shown on the VGA console not the serial one... Am I missing something? - I've tried looking through the handbook, and FAQ briefly - I don't have easy access to a web browser or even Pine at the moment though... I was under the impression I would be able to do things like take the machine to single-user mode and then do my 'make installworlds' from my main workstation (via the serial port) instead of having to go visit the machine? Anyway - good work by all the ELF/CAM & support people, apart from the occasional panic's under extreeme load, the system is up, working - and on the whole not complaining too much... ;-) Regards, Karl ps. If I can't get the serial side working I'll get a pen and paper the next time the system panic's... ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 06:55:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11736 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 06:55:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA11724 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 06:54:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA17724; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 06:54:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Taavi Talvik cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Time to review HARDWARE.TXT etc. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 16:02:50 +0300." Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 06:54:12 -0700 Message-ID: <17720.907509252@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Done, though anyone else wishing to review the docs under /usr/src/release/sysinstall/help is more than free to do so - I've been looking at those damn files for so long I'm sure I'm missing all kinds of stuff in need of updating. If you're not a committer, I also gladly accept diffs. :-) - Jordan > > It's time to review informational files in 3.0. Issues > from top of head: > > There is no support for aic, nca, sea ing GENERIC > DPT controllesrs are now supported in GENERIC. > > best regards, > taavi > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Taavi Talvik | Internet: taavi@uninet.ee > Unineti Andmeside AS | phone: +372 6405150 > Ravala pst. 10-412 | fax: +372 6405151 > EE0001, Tallinn, Estonia | > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 06:56:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11939 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 06:56:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.scsn.net (scsn.net [206.25.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA11928 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 06:56:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmaddox@scsn.net) Received: from rhiannon.scsn.net ([209.12.57.60]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with ESMTP id AAA144 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:46:57 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by rhiannon.scsn.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA01054 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:56:26 GMT (envelope-from root) Message-ID: <19981004095625.A879@scsn.net> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:56:25 +0000 From: dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Shouldn't 'make includes' install stand.h? Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG While trying to build the new boot loader, it kept failing because stand.h was not found. To make a long story short, I had previously done a 'make -DCLOBBER includes' in the (apparently mistaken) belief that this was the canonically-accepted way of making sure that I had a clean, up-to-date, and _complete_ set of includes in /usr/include. It appears that /usr/include/stand.h only gets installed when libstand is installed. Shouldn't a 'make -DCLOBBER includes' result in a _complete_ set of includes? Are there other includes than stand.h that don't get installed by 'make includes'? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 07:15:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA13217 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 07:15:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alushta.NL.net (alushta.NL.net [193.78.240.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA13212 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 07:15:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from benst@terminus.stuyts.nl) Received: from stuyts by alushta.NL.net with UUCP id <9827-25863>; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:15:02 +0200 Received: from daneel.stuyts.nl (daneel.stuyts.nl [193.78.231.7]) by terminus.stuyts.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA08654 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:04:31 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from benst) Received: (from benst@localhost) by daneel.stuyts.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA05443 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:04:25 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199810041304.PAA05443@daneel.stuyts.nl> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ben Stuyts Date: Sun, 4 Oct 98 15:04:23 +0200 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: man page MAKEDEV not camified Reply-To: ben@stuyts.nl Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I was browsing the man page for MAKEDEV, and it still refers to the old sd and st devices. It seems it is not camified yet. Best regards, Ben To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 07:31:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA14852 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 07:31:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from trinity.radio-do.de (trinity.Radio-do.de [193.101.164.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA14838 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 07:31:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fn@trinity.radio-do.de) Received: (from fn@localhost) by trinity.radio-do.de (8.9.1/8.8.5/RADIO-1.1) id QAA18835; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:31:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19981004163132.A18826@radio-do.de> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:31:32 +0200 From: Frank Nobis To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Errors from today's current Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG buildworld failed with: ===> libg++/doc ===> libgmp building standard gmp library /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec/aout/nm: version.o: no name list ranlib libgmp.a building profiled gmp library ranlib libgmp_p.a building shared gmp library (version 3.0) /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec/aout/nm: version.so: no name list /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec/aout/nm: mpz/cmp.so: not object file or archive /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec/aout/nm: mpz/cmp_ui.so: not object file or archive /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec/aout/nm: mpz/tdiv_q_2exp.so: not object file or archive /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec/aout/nm: mpz/realloc.so: not object file or archive /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec/aout/nm: mpz/fdiv_r.so: not object file or archive /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec/aout/nm: mpz/tdiv_qr.so: not object file or archive /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec/aout/nm: mpz/tdiv_r.so: not object file or archive /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec/aout/nm: mpf/set.so: not object file or archive /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec/aout/nm: mpf/add.so: not object file or archive /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec/aout/nm: mpf/sub.so: not object file or archive /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec/aout/nm: mpf/neg.so: not object file or archive /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec/aout/ld: mpf/neg.so: malformed input file (not rel or archive) *** Error code 1 Stop. Regards Frank -- Frank Nobis Email: PGP AVAILABLE Landgrafenstr. 130 dg3dcn http://www.radio-do.de/~fn/ 44139 Dortmund Powered by SMP FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 09:00:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21469 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:00:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zone.syracuse.net (zone.syracuse.net [205.232.47.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21464 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:00:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@zone.syracuse.net) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by zone.syracuse.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA15292; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:55:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Feldman To: Martin Cracauer cc: Terry Lambert , Chuck Robey , nate@mt.sri.com, osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? In-Reply-To: <19981004122417.A2793@cons.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I don't see why a system call should be incompatible since being a shared library, the system call is just a definition of a link to the true libc symbol. Cheers, Brian Feldman On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Martin Cracauer wrote: > In <199810040411.VAA25038@usr06.primenet.com>, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > I'm taking from this that not having a Motif lib in elf is dragging > > > things back. I'm totally non-suprised (I've been nagging XiG to get by > > > personal favorite one done for a while now). I would hope that, when > > > someone _does_ find a vendor of Motif in ELF, there will be a quick > > > announcement on the lists ... don't consider it advertising, we _need_ > > > this. > > > > Someone needs to flush $15 on the "free" Solaris and/or UnixWare CDROM, > > which has an ELF Motif library on it. > > And this library won't use any system or libc calls that might be > incompatible in FreeBSD? > > Martin > -- > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer > Tel.: (private) +4940 5221829 Fax.: (private) +4940 5228536 > Paper: (private) Waldstrasse 200, 22846 Norderstedt, Germany > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 09:04:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21818 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:04:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zone.syracuse.net (zone.syracuse.net [205.232.47.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21811 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:04:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@zone.syracuse.net) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by zone.syracuse.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA15379; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:00:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Feldman To: Martin Cracauer cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gdb to examine aout coredump on an elf system? In-Reply-To: <19981004140811.A2950@cons.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Last time I checked, cd /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gdb; OBJFORMAT=aout make; will work. Cheers, Brian Feldman On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Martin Cracauer wrote: > What can I do to examine a coredump produced by an aout binary > (i.e. kernel) when my gdb is ELF? Someone said one can build an aout > gdb on -current, but failed to said how and it isn't obvious to me > since the gdb in our tree can't be built at all when starting from > ./configure. > > A -stable gdb on -current says it doesn't recognize the format of the > core dump. > > Thanks > Martin > -- > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer > Tel.: (private) +4940 5221829 Fax.: (private) +4940 5228536 > Paper: (private) Waldstrasse 200, 22846 Norderstedt, Germany > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 09:24:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23590 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:24:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles320.castles.com [208.214.167.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23585 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:24:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05200; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:29:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810041629.JAA05200@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: dmaddox@scsn.net cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Shouldn't 'make includes' install stand.h? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 09:56:25 -0000." <19981004095625.A879@scsn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 09:29:21 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > While trying to build the new boot loader, it kept failing because > stand.h was not found. To make a long story short, I had previously > done a 'make -DCLOBBER includes' in the (apparently mistaken) belief > that this was the canonically-accepted way of making sure that I had > a clean, up-to-date, and _complete_ set of includes in /usr/include. > It appears that /usr/include/stand.h only gets installed when > libstand is installed. > > Shouldn't a 'make -DCLOBBER includes' result in a _complete_ set > of includes? Are there other includes than stand.h that don't > get installed by 'make includes'? No. "Make includes" installs random header files. libstand.h is installed at the same time libstand is; if you install just the former, you're going to die in the link phase when you can't find the latter. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 09:36:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25061 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:36:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25044 for current; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:36:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199810041636.JAA25044@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Upgrading Current to VMailer To: current Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:36:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Current has just been migrated from Sendmail to VMailer for mail delivery. The only difference that you should notice is faster delivery and changed "Received: " headers. All other headers will remain the same....they are created by either Sendmail or Majordomo not VMailer. (I hope ;) Mail arriving at freebsd.org is handled by Sendmail, Majordomo wand VMailer. Sendmail accepts the mail. Majordomo addresses it to each of the mailing lists' recipients. VMailer performs the final delivery. We have been using VMailer to deliver mail to the freebsd-test list and then to freebsd-chat as well. VMailer has proven itself to be robust and blazingly fast. You can learn more about VMailer at http://www.porcupine.org/vmailer/. The author is Wietse Venema, who wrote TCP Wrappers and co-authored SATAN with Dan Farmer. jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 09:40:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25553 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:40:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25530 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:40:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA16027; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:39:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Brian Feldman cc: Martin Cracauer , Terry Lambert , nate@mt.sri.com, osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Brian Feldman wrote: > Cheers, > Brian Feldman > > On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Martin Cracauer wrote: > > > In <199810040411.VAA25038@usr06.primenet.com>, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > I'm taking from this that not having a Motif lib in elf is dragging > > > > things back. I'm totally non-suprised (I've been nagging XiG to get by > > > > personal favorite one done for a while now). I would hope that, when > > > > someone _does_ find a vendor of Motif in ELF, there will be a quick > > > > announcement on the lists ... don't consider it advertising, we _need_ > > > > this. > > > > > > Someone needs to flush $15 on the "free" Solaris and/or UnixWare CDROM, > > > which has an ELF Motif library on it. > > > > And this library won't use any system or libc calls that might be > > incompatible in FreeBSD? > > I don't see why a system call should be incompatible since being a shared > library, the system call is just a definition of a link to the true libc > symbol. That's because of two things, the semantics of the libc call, and the way that OS calls are done. In the semantics, I'm referring both to what precisely the call does, which varies sufficiently to be a major headache, and the number/order of arguments. It's not standard, Brian. The other thing, about the way that OS type calls (like, say, unlink) which the libc does not in itself handle are done. The libc can't unlink a file, it has to pass the request to the kernel, and it does that by using an integer numbered thing called a syscall, where the kernel recognizes what's being asked of it by the number of the call, and never sees "unlink". If the libc wrapper for your call thinks the number for the call is one thing, but the kernel thinks it's another, boom. It's not just "a definition of a link to the true libc" at all. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 10:01:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27110 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:01:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27103 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:01:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hel.ifi.uio.no (2602@hel.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.91]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id TAA22702; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:00:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hel.ifi.uio.no ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:00:40 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Josef Karthauser Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD3.0-BETA crash! References: <19981001193321.C12010@pavilion.net> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 04 Oct 1998 19:00:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: Josef Karthauser's message of "Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:33:21 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.44/Emacs 20.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id KAA27106 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Josef Karthauser writes: > I've got a machine here running FreeBSD 3.0-BETA. After cvsupping it > today and: > > make -DNOCLEAN world Don't Do That (tm). To be more precise, do a proper make world with no fancy options and come back if you're still having problems. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 10:23:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA28539 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:23:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA28530; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:23:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07637; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:23:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: markm@FreeBSD.ORG cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Problems with Kerberos and /etc/auth.conf Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 10:23:02 -0700 Message-ID: <7633.907521782@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK, so I'm just going down my sheet of "things that various people have reported as being most annoying in FreeBSD" and I'm looking at the 'ol "su -K" FAQ, that being the one where people inadvertently install kerberos (either by checking too many things off an install menu or building from sources) and it subsequently bites the non-internet connected by making su pause for a heck of a long time trying to contact a kerberos server which doesn't exist. The work-around is to use the -K flag, of course, but this apparently remains a well-kept secret despite having been mentioned many times on USENET and other forums, and people are basically putting their feet into this rabbit hole. We need to do something! :-) Since this issue comes up as well with the selection of whether to use MD5 or DES passwords when creating new password entries, I'm wondering if the two problems might not be solved by a single solution which defines the types of authentication mechanisms the system expects to use and what the defaults are. Someone also mentioned working on something like this, but did anything ever come of that? If not, is anyone interested in something coming of this? - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 10:40:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29990 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:40:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zone.syracuse.net (zone.syracuse.net [205.232.47.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA29981 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:40:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@zone.syracuse.net) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by zone.syracuse.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA16308; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:33:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Feldman To: Mike Smith cc: Michael Class , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with 3-stage bootloader In-Reply-To: <199810041010.DAA03555@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I too cannot boot an ELF kernel yet, as I get a page fault as well :( more info when I get some. Oh, yes, this is with the very latest kernel and loader (with the esym = ssym = 0 fixes). Cheers, Brian Feldman On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I was just trying to use the new 3-stage bootloader. > > It failed for my setup. To me it looks like it will only work, > > if the FreeBSD slice is the first in the partition-table of a disk. > > I can make it to work with the following patch (not meant as a > > correct solution, but to give you an idea, of what the reason for > > the failure is). Basically only the first slice-table entry is copied, > > but afterwards the code assumes that all 4 entries are in memory. > > Thanks; I just fixed this. > > > After this patch I can boot an aout-kernel on my machine. Unfortunately > > I am still failing on an ELF-Kernel. I get immediately dropped in the > > debugger, but a stacktrace gives only garbage back. > > I think this is fixed too - try initialising ssym and esym to 0 in > elf_exec and see if that helps. > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 10:42:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00276 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:42:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Genesis.Denninger.Net (kdhome-2.pr.mcs.net [205.164.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00243 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:42:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karl@Genesis.Denninger.Net) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Genesis.Denninger.Net (8.9.1/8.8.2) id MAA19381; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:33:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19981004123343.A19373@Denninger.Net> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:33:43 -0500 From: Karl Denninger To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav_?= , Josef Karthauser Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD3.0-BETA crash! References: <19981001193321.C12010@pavilion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3Cxzphfxkjm88=2Efsf=40hel=2Eifi=2Euio=2Eno=3E=3B_from_Da?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?g-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav__on_Sun=2C_Oct_04=2C_1998_at_07:?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?00:39PM_+0200?= Organization: Karl's Sushi and Packet Smashers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 07:00:39PM +0200, Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav wrote: > Josef Karthauser writes: > > I've got a machine here running FreeBSD 3.0-BETA. After cvsupping it > > today and: > > > > make -DNOCLEAN world > > Don't Do That (tm). > > To be more precise, do a proper make world with no fancy options and > come back if you're still having problems. > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no That doesn't work. I have "come back". I sent in a PR for the problem that prevents it from working (a bad Makefile in libskey) two weeks ago AND IT HAS NOT BEEN COMMITTED. Three lines guys - c'mon. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) http://www.mcs.net/~karl I ain't even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 10:45:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00713 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:45:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00697; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:45:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199810041745.KAA00697@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Sender line To: hakcers Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: current X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Eivind pointed out to me that the sender line changed as a result of using VMailer. if your filter is case-sensitive i may have broken it. i have changed a configuration item in VMailer. please check how your mail filter/sort programs repond to the change. should be: > Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG erroneously was: > Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 10:53:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01863 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:53:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01820 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:52:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA03515; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:52:13 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199810041752.TAA03515@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: Now ELF, CAM but no serial console? In-Reply-To: <199810041318.OAA00221@caladan.tdx.co.uk> from Karl Pielorz at "Oct 4, 98 02:18:12 pm" To: kpielorz@caladan.tdx.co.uk (Karl Pielorz) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:52:13 +0200 (SAT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The upgrades etc. went OK - but now I'm getting kernel > traps when I push the disks... I'm trying to setup a > serial console to capture the panics, but I'm not > having much luck... > > I've set si0 to have flags of 0x20, and I boot with '-h' > (by doing echo "-h" >/boot.config) - I also have options > DDB and DDB_UNATTENDED in my kernel config, as well as > CONSPEED=57600... > > When booting I get the usual '>> FreeBSD BOOT @ ...' > messages sent to the serial port, but they stop just > after the system says 'entry point=0x100000'. Try flags 0x10. I use that and it works. I think 0x20 can't work alone, so if you want to use it, you still need the 0x10 also, which gives you 0x30. John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 10:53:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01873 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:53:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zone.syracuse.NET (zone.syracuse.net [205.232.47.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01842 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:53:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@zone.syracuse.net) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by zone.syracuse.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA16205; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:27:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Feldman To: Chuck Robey cc: Martin Cracauer , Terry Lambert , nate@mt.sri.com, osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I do understand more than you think I do. I know about kernel- and user-land, how system calls work, etc. What I meant is: in a dynamic library, there should be NO raw __syscall/syscall'ing, the choices of howt o do system calls should be in the system libc. The only real incompatibilities in the actual libraries would be compiler-specific, or libc-specific (those *64 calls etc, for solaris only), like with libgcc.a-compiled libs on non-GNU-cc-systems. The ACTUAL function calls, as defined by ELF, that call functions, defined by ANSI, should not in any differ except across architectures. -Brian Feldman On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Brian Feldman wrote: > > > Cheers, > > Brian Feldman > > > > On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Martin Cracauer wrote: > > > > > In <199810040411.VAA25038@usr06.primenet.com>, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > > I'm taking from this that not having a Motif lib in elf is dragging > > > > > things back. I'm totally non-suprised (I've been nagging XiG to get by > > > > > personal favorite one done for a while now). I would hope that, when > > > > > someone _does_ find a vendor of Motif in ELF, there will be a quick > > > > > announcement on the lists ... don't consider it advertising, we _need_ > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > Someone needs to flush $15 on the "free" Solaris and/or UnixWare CDROM, > > > > which has an ELF Motif library on it. > > > > > > And this library won't use any system or libc calls that might be > > > incompatible in FreeBSD? > > > > I don't see why a system call should be incompatible since being a shared > > library, the system call is just a definition of a link to the true libc > > symbol. > > That's because of two things, the semantics of the libc call, and the > way that OS calls are done. In the semantics, I'm referring both to > what precisely the call does, which varies sufficiently to be a major > headache, and the number/order of arguments. It's not standard, Brian. > > The other thing, about the way that OS type calls (like, say, unlink) > which the libc does not in itself handle are done. The libc can't > unlink a file, it has to pass the request to the kernel, and it does > that by using an integer numbered thing called a syscall, where the > kernel recognizes what's being asked of it by the number of the call, > and never sees "unlink". If the libc wrapper for your call thinks the > number for the call is one thing, but the kernel thinks it's another, > boom. > > It's not just "a definition of a link to the true libc" at all. > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) > (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 10:56:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02369 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:56:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02345 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:56:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelc@hpbbse.bbn.hp.com) Received: from hpbbse.bbn.hp.com (hpbbse.bbn.hp.com [15.136.26.26]) by palrel1.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id KAA22550; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (michaelc@localhost) by hpbbse.bbn.hp.com with ESMTP (8.7.6/8.7.3) id TAA24739; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:56:24 +0200 (METDST) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:56:23 +0200 (METDST) From: Michael Class To: mike@smith.net.au cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with 3-stage bootloader Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, thank you for the quick answer. If seen that already fixed my first Problem. >> After this patch I can boot an aout-kernel on my machine. Unfortunately >> I am still failing on an ELF-Kernel. I get immediately dropped in the >> debugger, but a stacktrace gives only garbage back. > > I think this is fixed too - try initialising ssym and esym to 0 in > elf_exec and see if that helps. Your fix does not solve my problem. An ELF-kernel still does not boot. It does if I put the line esym = ssym = 0; below the lines where the ELFSSYM and ELFESYM addresses are loaded. This means that there is something going wrong with the pointers to these data-structures in the ELF-File, even though the vaules itself look reasonable to me. Unfortunately I do not have a soltution right now, but I will I will try to find one. Michael ___________________________________________________________________________ Michael Class E-Mail: michael_class@hp.com E-Business Solutions Center Phone: +49 7031 14-3707 EBSO-SERC Fax: +49 7031 14-4196 ___________________________________________________________________________ Hewlett-Packard GmbH, PO Box 1430, 71004 Boeblingen Sitz der Gesellschaft: Böblingen, Amtsgericht Böblingen HRB 4081 Geschäftsführer: Jörg Menno Harms (Vorsitzender), Heribert Schmitz, Rudi Speier, Fritz Schuller, Hans-Günter Hohmann ___________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 11:00:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03047 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:00:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03002; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:00:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (IDENT:wTBxzV5srFm0VWPe8+9nH/DQXq3+ptkH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA06181; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:59:50 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199810041759.TAA06181@gratis.grondar.za> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: markm@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with Kerberos and /etc/auth.conf In-Reply-To: Your message of " Sun, 04 Oct 1998 10:23:02 MST." <7633.907521782@time.cdrom.com> References: <7633.907521782@time.cdrom.com> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 19:59:49 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > remains a well-kept secret despite having been mentioned many times on > USENET and other forums, and people are basically putting their feet > into this rabbit hole. We need to do something! :-) Zigactly! > Since this issue comes up as well with the selection of whether to use > MD5 or DES passwords when creating new password entries, I'm wondering > if the two problems might not be solved by a single solution which > defines the types of authentication mechanisms the system expects to > use and what the defaults are. Someone also mentioned working on > something like this, but did anything ever come of that? If not, is > anyone interested in something coming of this? How about a "deKerberise" target in src/kerberosIV (or wherever)? I'm sure I can bang one into shape. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 11:04:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03436 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:04:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.scsn.net (scsn.net [206.25.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03399 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:04:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmaddox@scsn.net) Received: from rhiannon.scsn.net ([209.12.57.27]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with ESMTP id AAA99; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:23:13 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by rhiannon.scsn.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA00328; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:32:39 GMT (envelope-from root) Message-ID: <19981004133239.A309@scsn.net> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:32:39 +0000 From: dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) To: Mike Smith , dmaddox@scsn.net Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Shouldn't 'make includes' install stand.h? Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net References: <19981004095625.A879@scsn.net> <199810041629.JAA05200@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199810041629.JAA05200@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 09:29:21AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 09:29:21AM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > While trying to build the new boot loader, it kept failing because > > stand.h was not found. To make a long story short, I had previously > > done a 'make -DCLOBBER includes' in the (apparently mistaken) belief > > that this was the canonically-accepted way of making sure that I had > > a clean, up-to-date, and _complete_ set of includes in /usr/include. > > It appears that /usr/include/stand.h only gets installed when > > libstand is installed. > > > > Shouldn't a 'make -DCLOBBER includes' result in a _complete_ set > > of includes? Are there other includes than stand.h that don't > > get installed by 'make includes'? > > No. "Make includes" installs random header files. libstand.h is > installed at the same time libstand is; if you install just the former, > you're going to die in the link phase when you can't find the latter. 'Random header files'? Ok, if you say so, but so far, the only "standard" component of /usr/include I've managed to identify as _not_ installed by 'make includes' is stand.h. This seems counterintuitive to me... Your point about installing the header without the lib is valid, but it seems to me that this is applicable to just about all of the includes, in one way or another. Maybe there shouldn't be a 'make includes' target at all? I'm not trying to be combative here; this is not a religious issue to me... The current behavior just seems to me to violate POLA. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 11:06:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03744 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:06:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03715 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:06:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (IDENT:imWTQu6BSN3ixsOGWFpsdoi+FePVrizu@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA06223; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:05:28 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199810041805.UAA06223@gratis.grondar.za> cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with Kerberos and /etc/auth.conf In-Reply-To: Your message of " Sun, 04 Oct 1998 19:59:49 +0200." <199810041759.TAA06181@gratis.grondar.za> References: <7633.907521782@time.cdrom.com> <199810041759.TAA06181@gratis.grondar.za> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 20:05:27 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mark Murray wrote: > "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > Since this issue comes up as well with the selection of whether to use > > MD5 or DES passwords when creating new password entries, I'm wondering > > if the two problems might not be solved by a single solution which > > defines the types of authentication mechanisms the system expects to > > use and what the defaults are. Someone also mentioned working on > > something like this, but did anything ever come of that? If not, is > > anyone interested in something coming of this? > > How about a "deKerberise" target in src/kerberosIV (or wherever)? I'm > sure I can bang one into shape. Now that I've thought about this for more than 2 seconds; This is workable, but may require a new distribution. Currently, the "krb" distribution overwtites some things in the "bin" distribution. If those things that are (or may be) overwritten are put into a separate distribution called (say) "nokrb", and that is installed by default if "bin" is selected but no "krb", that will work. Sysinstall would have to be the "brains" behind this. Sysinstall could then be used to "dekerberise" the system. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 11:06:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03780 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:06:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03750 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:06:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hel.ifi.uio.no (2602@hel.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.91]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id UAA26083; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:02:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hel.ifi.uio.no ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:02:20 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ben@rosengart.com Cc: "William S. Duncanson" , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with Current (BETA) References: Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 04 Oct 1998 20:02:19 +0200 In-Reply-To: Snob Art Genre's message of "Sat, 3 Oct 1998 07:29:18 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.44/Emacs 20.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id LAA03769 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Snob Art Genre writes: > On Sat, 3 Oct 1998, William S. Duncanson wrote: > > Oh, one point that may be of interest: I'm running softupdates > > enabled. I don't have a stack trace or a dump, but if anyone's > > interested in seeing them, I'll be able to get them. > Don't count on it. I haven't been able to get current to dump core for > weeks. FUD. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 11:11:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04746 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:11:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04683; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:11:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07861; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:10:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Mark Murray cc: markm@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with Kerberos and /etc/auth.conf In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 19:59:49 +0200." <199810041759.TAA06181@gratis.grondar.za> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 11:10:51 -0700 Message-ID: <7857.907524651@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > How about a "deKerberise" target in src/kerberosIV (or wherever)? I'm > sure I can bang one into shape. That would only help those who got into that position through builds, there being a lot more who simply check everything in the "DES" menu in sysinstall and don't have sources. Besides, it seems like it would be nifty to not _eliminate_ the Kerberos abilities so much as simply disabling them on demand. If su sees that kerberos authentication is not enabled on the system, for example, it just treats it like an implicit -K. I have no problem with implementing an auth.conf parser and the routines to query its state, if that would help. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 11:12:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04991 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:12:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04967 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:12:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07878; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:11:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Mark Murray cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with Kerberos and /etc/auth.conf In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 20:05:27 +0200." <199810041805.UAA06223@gratis.grondar.za> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 11:11:52 -0700 Message-ID: <7875.907524712@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Now that I've thought about this for more than 2 seconds; This is > workable, but may require a new distribution. Currently, the "krb" > distribution overwtites some things in the "bin" distribution. If > those things that are (or may be) overwritten are put into a separate > distribution called (say) "nokrb", and that is installed by default > if "bin" is selected but no "krb", that will work. Sysinstall would > have to be the "brains" behind this. Sysinstall could then be used > to "dekerberise" the system. If we can't go further and make the behavior selectable, I'd certainly be willing to see this and the Makefile target you mentioned come available as a work-around. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 11:22:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA06481 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:22:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.elpost.com (DNS2.ELPOST.COM [193.15.1.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06455 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:21:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johan@granlund.nu) Received: from phoenix.granlund.nu (t4o29p105.telia.com [194.236.215.225]) by mail.elpost.com (2.5 Build 2626 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA00425 for ; Sun, 04 Oct 1998 20:21:19 +0200 Received: from pegasys (pegasys.granlund.nu [192.168.0.2]) by phoenix.granlund.nu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA02473 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:20:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from johan@phoenix.granlund.nu) Message-Id: <199810041820.UAA02473@phoenix.granlund.nu> From: "Johan Granlund" To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:15:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Exabyte 8200 and CAM, Take 2 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG HI I have a Exabyte 8200 tape streamer. It worked fine in a preCAM system exept for timeout errors when using a rewind devicenode. After CAM i get a lookups at probing of the SCSI-bus. I don't get any timeoutmessages or anything. If the powercord to the tapedrive is unplugged the boot continues and the tapedrive is in the report. This is even when the tapedrive stays unplugged. I have tried two version of firmware on the tapedrive 2618 and 2644 for no effekt. If multiple LUN support is enabled (normally off on my system) on the controller (Adaptec 2940UW), the tape driver is reported on all LUNs in the BIOS scan. I thought that maybe multiple LUN probing locked the drive and tried the following patch to sys/cam/cam_xpt.c for no effect. { { T_SEQUENTIAL, SIP_MEDIA_REMOVABLE, "EXABYTE, "EXB-8200*", "*" }, CAM_QUIRK_NOLUNS, /*mintags*/0, /*maxtags*/0 }, Follows part of dmesg with a 15 min wait between lockup and unplugging of powercord to tapedrive and a SCSI_DELAY of 60000. /Johan Oct 3 13:38:44 phoenix /kernel: (noperiph:ahc0 Oct 3 13:38:44 phoenix /kernel: :0:X:X): SCSI bus reset delivered. 0 SCBs aborted. Oct 3 13:38:44 phoenix /kernel: ahc0: Selection Timeout on A:2. 1 SCBs aborted Oct 3 13:38:44 phoenix /kernel: ahc0: Selection Timeout on A:3. 1 SCBs aborted Oct 3 13:38:44 phoenix /kernel: ahc0: Selection Timeout on A:4. 1 SCBs aborted Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: ahc0: Selection Timeout on A:5. 1 SCBs aborted Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: ahc0: Selection Timeout on A:9. 1 SCBs aborted Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: ahc0: Selection Timeout on A:10. 1 SCBs aborted Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: ahc0: Selection Timeout on A:11. 1 SCBs aborted Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: ahc0: Selection Timeout on A:12. 1 SCBs aborted Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: ahc0: Selection Timeout on A:13. 1 SCBs aborted Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: ahc0: Selection Timeout on A:14. 1 SCBs aborted Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: ahc0: Selection Timeout on A:15. 1 SCBs aborted Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: ahc0: target 1 synchronous at 10.0MHz, offset = 0xf Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: ahc0: target 8 using 16bit transfers Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: ahc0: target 8 synchronous at 20.0MHz, offset = 0x8 Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: ahc0: target 0 synchronous at 10.0MHz, offset = 0xf Unplugging powercord to tapedrive here Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: Unexpected busfree. LASTPHASE == 0x40 Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: SEQADDR == 0x110 Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: ahc0: Selection Timeout on A:6. 1 SCBs aborted Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: ahc0: Selection Timeout on A:6. 1 SCBs aborted Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: sa0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: sa0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI1 device Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: sa Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: 0: 3.300MB/s transfers Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: pass0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: pass0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: pass0: Serial Number 00765238 Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: pass0: 10.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 15), Tagged Queueing Enabled Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: pass1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: pass1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: pass1: Serial Number MY6002NMHQ Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: pass1: 10.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 15) Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: pass2 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: pass2: Removable Sequential Access SCSI1 device Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: pass2: 3.300MB/s transfers Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: pass3 at ahc0 bus 0 target 8 lun 0 Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: pass3: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: pass3: Serial Number PCB=2011300101 ; HDA=189709631865 Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: pass3: 40.0MB/s transfers (20.0MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: da1: Serial Number MY6002NMHQ Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: da1: 10.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 15) Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: da1: 2047MB (4194058 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 2047C) Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: da2 at ahc0 bus 0 target 8 lun 0 Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: da2: Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: da2: Serial Number PCB=2011300101 ; HDA=189709631865 Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: da2: 40.0MB/s transfers (20.0MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: da2: 8682MB (17781520 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 8682C) Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: da0: Serial Number 00765238 Oct 3 13:38:45 phoenix /kernel: da0: 10.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 15), Tagged Queueing Enabled Oct 3 13:38:46 phoenix /kernel: da0: 1621MB (3320691 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 1621C) ___________________________________________________________ Internet: johan@granlund.nu I don't even speak for myself To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 11:28:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07207 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:28:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07201 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:28:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA04027; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:28:18 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199810041828.UAA04027@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: FreeBSD3.0-BETA crash! In-Reply-To: <19981004123343.A19373@Denninger.Net> from Karl Denninger at "Oct 4, 98 12:33:43 pm" To: karl@Denninger.Net (Karl Denninger) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:28:18 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > I've got a machine here running FreeBSD 3.0-BETA. After cvsupping it > > > today and: > > > > > > make -DNOCLEAN world > > > > Don't Do That (tm). > > > > To be more precise, do a proper make world with no fancy options and > > come back if you're still having problems. > > That doesn't work. I have "come back". > > I sent in a PR for the problem that prevents it from working (a bad Makefile > in libskey) two weeks ago AND IT HAS NOT BEEN COMMITTED. Maybe there is something in your environment that cause the failures? Maybe a non-standard CFLAGS setting? I have three machines here all running -current and I have made world on them all today and there were no problems in libskey. (There were no problems at all that stopped a make world from finishing successfully.) But then, maybe my timing to cvsup was just lucky. John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 11:36:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08312 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:36:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gargoyle.bazzle.com (gargoyle.bazzle.com [206.103.246.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA08303 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:36:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejc@bazzle.com) Received: (qmail 5087 invoked from network); 4 Oct 1998 18:36:04 -0000 Received: from gargoyle.bazzle.com (206.103.246.189) by gargoyle.bazzle.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 1998 18:36:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:36:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Eric J. Chet" To: Brian Feldman cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with 3-stage bootloader In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Brian Feldman wrote: > I too cannot boot an ELF kernel yet, as I get a page fault as well :( more > info when I get some. Oh, yes, this is with the very latest kernel and > loader (with the esym = ssym = 0 fixes). > Hello It might help somebody so, this is the procedure I used to upgrade to an elf kernel. I just installed an elf kernel and booted without any problems. I'm -current as of Oct 4 12:44pm EDT. cd /sys/boot make depend && make && make install echo "/boot/loader" >/boot.conf cd /sys/i386/conf export KERNFORMAT=elf #you can put "KERNFORMAT=elf" in your /etc/make.conf config -r configfile cd ../../compile/configfile make depend && make && make install reboot Regards, Eric Chet -> ejc@bazzle.com || ejc@FreeBSD.ORG || ejchet@lucent.com Systems Analysts - Specializing in OOA, OOD, C++, Java and CORBA Kenpo Jiu-Jitsu the Ultimate in Self Defense, Tai Chi for Life To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 11:42:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09140 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:42:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from math.berkeley.edu (math.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.183.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09130 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:42:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@math.berkeley.edu) Received: (from dan@localhost) by math.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA27025; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:42:21 -0700 (PDT) From: dan@math.berkeley.edu (Dan Strick) Message-Id: <199810041842.LAA27025@math.berkeley.edu> To: ccsanady@friley-185-114.res.iastate.edu Subject: Re: Partition weirdness.. Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, dan@math.berkeley.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I have a couple of partitions that have been behaving somewhat odd. Also, > I have gotten a number of messages recently (from newfs--i think), about > not being able to rewrite the disklabel. Has anyone else been seen this? > > On 2 of my bios partitions, I can not write to the second sector. Doing > so will cause the following: > > friley-185-114:/# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rda0s4e bs=512 count=1 seek=1 > dd: /dev/rda0s4e: Read-only file system > > If I seek past 2 sectors, or only write the first sector, I have no > trouble. Does anyone know what might be causing this? My disklabel, > and fdisk output follow.. This is partially documented somewhere. Check out the man pages for "disklabel" in sections 5 an 8. The FreeBSD disk label goes in the second sector of a disk slice (i.e. DOS partition). Disk label sectors are special and the disk drivers normally refuse to write them. You are supposed to be able to turn off this protection with the "disklabel -W" command, though this never seems to work for me. I have discovered (the hard way) that disk label sectors are also special because the I/O system munges them when you read them. It subtracts the slice base address from the bsd partition base addresses in the label. I suspect it also recomputes the label sector checksum, though I don't remember specifically checking for this. It does not reverse these changes when you write a label sector for the first time. Therefore using dd to replicate the dos/bsd label structures on a new disk does not work. I present these possibly unintended features as an example of what I think is a generally good design principle: An unnecessary and complex feature is usually a bad idea. It is often much better to have no feature at all. Special treatment of disk label sectors goes back to 4.3BSD or 4.4BSD (I forget which) when BSD disk labels were first introduced. I suspect the sectors were made read-only to protect fools from themselves. This is a most un-unix like feature and I think the people who implemented it should have known better. Fools should be allowed to shoot themselves in the feet. This is how they learn not to be fools. It will also teach them to be more careful with guns. Dan Strick dan@math.berkeley.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 11:50:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10225 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:50:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10203 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:50:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (IDENT:7hp28XsTwBxfyYIk4zpL09LqzM8j/my/@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA06397; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:49:51 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199810041849.UAA06397@gratis.grondar.za> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with Kerberos and /etc/auth.conf In-Reply-To: Your message of " Sun, 04 Oct 1998 11:11:52 MST." <7875.907524712@time.cdrom.com> References: <7875.907524712@time.cdrom.com> From: Mark Murray Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 20:49:51 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > Now that I've thought about this for more than 2 seconds; This is > > workable, but may require a new distribution. Currently, the "krb" > > distribution overwtites some things in the "bin" distribution. If > > those things that are (or may be) overwritten are put into a separate > > distribution called (say) "nokrb", and that is installed by default > > if "bin" is selected but no "krb", that will work. Sysinstall would > > have to be the "brains" behind this. Sysinstall could then be used > > to "dekerberise" the system. > > If we can't go further and make the behavior selectable, I'd certainly > be willing to see this and the Makefile target you mentioned come > available as a work-around. I like your other idea much more, but I can do this for 3.0, the other one will have to come later. :-) M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 11:53:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10619 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:53:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10600 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:53:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA11195; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:51:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Brian Feldman cc: Martin Cracauer , Terry Lambert , nate@mt.sri.com, osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Brian Feldman wrote: > I do understand more than you think I do. I know about kernel- and > user-land, how system calls work, etc. What I meant is: in a dynamic > library, there should be NO raw __syscall/syscall'ing, the choices of howt > o do system calls should be in the system libc. The only real > incompatibilities in the actual libraries would be compiler-specific, or > libc-specific (those *64 calls etc, for solaris only), like with > libgcc.a-compiled libs on non-GNU-cc-systems. The ACTUAL function calls, > as defined by ELF, that call functions, defined by ANSI, should not in any > differ except across architectures. I didn't mean to insult (if I unintentionally have) but I did ask you to take this offline, so as not to drag the list thru it. > > -Brian Feldman > > On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Chuck Robey wrote: > > > On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Brian Feldman wrote: > > > > > Cheers, > > > Brian Feldman > > > > > > On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Martin Cracauer wrote: > > > > > > > In <199810040411.VAA25038@usr06.primenet.com>, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > > > I'm taking from this that not having a Motif lib in elf is dragging > > > > > > things back. I'm totally non-suprised (I've been nagging XiG to get by > > > > > > personal favorite one done for a while now). I would hope that, when > > > > > > someone _does_ find a vendor of Motif in ELF, there will be a quick > > > > > > announcement on the lists ... don't consider it advertising, we _need_ > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > Someone needs to flush $15 on the "free" Solaris and/or UnixWare CDROM, > > > > > which has an ELF Motif library on it. > > > > > > > > And this library won't use any system or libc calls that might be > > > > incompatible in FreeBSD? > > > > > > I don't see why a system call should be incompatible since being a shared > > > library, the system call is just a definition of a link to the true libc > > > symbol. > > > > That's because of two things, the semantics of the libc call, and the > > way that OS calls are done. In the semantics, I'm referring both to > > what precisely the call does, which varies sufficiently to be a major > > headache, and the number/order of arguments. It's not standard, Brian. > > > > The other thing, about the way that OS type calls (like, say, unlink) > > which the libc does not in itself handle are done. The libc can't > > unlink a file, it has to pass the request to the kernel, and it does > > that by using an integer numbered thing called a syscall, where the > > kernel recognizes what's being asked of it by the number of the call, > > and never sees "unlink". If the libc wrapper for your call thinks the > > number for the call is one thing, but the kernel thinks it's another, > > boom. > > > > It's not just "a definition of a link to the true libc" at all. > > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > > chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > > 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) > > (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 12:08:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12604 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:08:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pozo.pozo.com (pozo.pozo.com [207.201.8.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12568 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:08:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mantar@netcom.com) Received: from dual (DUAL [192.168.0.2]) by pozo.pozo.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA00273; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:06:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mantar@netcom.com) Message-Id: <4.1.19981004120024.00a3dd10@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: null@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 12:06:50 -0700 To: Mike Smith From: Manfred Antar Subject: Re: CRUSH after recompile kernel... Cc: Mike Smith , Robert Nordier , osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810040115.SAA00490@dingo.cdrom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 06:15 PM 10/3/98 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >> > >> Just out of curiosity I built an elf kernel without the debugger and >> tried the /boot/loader. >> It worked fine. >> so the problem had something to do with the debugger code. >> I'll test it more Sunday. > >Ok. I have a pretty good idea as to what might be going on now; >thanks for the input. If you want to do something really helpful, >print the values of bootinfo.bi_symtab and bootinfo.bi_esymtab in the >non-debugger kernel, and then load it with btxboot and the loader. > >Put a printf somewhere in machdep.c, eg. around about where it tests to >call userconfig(). > >My guess is that there's something wrong with the symbol table >information coming in, and it causes ddb to explode. > > I'm not sure how to do the above. But I have been following this thread and put esym = ssym = 0; in line 81 of /sys/i386/libi386/elf_freebsd.c and I can now boot a current elf kernel with the standard bootblocks with /boot/loader. Manfred ============================== || mantar@netcom.com || || pozo@infinex.com || || Ph. (415) 681-6235 || ============================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 12:20:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13942 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:20:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13928 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:20:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@caladan.tdx.co.uk) Received: (from kpielorz@localhost) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id UAA02804 for current@freebsd.org; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:19:47 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:19:47 +0100 (BST) From: Karl Pielorz Message-Id: <199810041919.UAA02804@caladan.tdx.co.uk> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Pine port problem (probably off topic) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi All, I realise this probably isn't the place to bring this up - but I've been working on my -current system for most the weekend (elf, CAM etc.) and I have a few panics to report... I'd love to use pine to write the mail, but I can't get that to compile... If someone can suggest how I can fix: cc -O -pipe -DDEBUG -DBSDI -DBSDI2 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE main.o -L. -lpico -ltermcap -o pico /usr/libexec/elf/ld: cannot open -lpico: No such file or directory *** Error code 1 Stop. I realise the ports changeover to ELF is still happening - I guess the above is something to do with 'libpico.so.2.0' vs. '2' (without the .0'?) but that's just a guess... If someone can suggest how I can fix the above ( even if it means building a.out pine or something) I can get back to writing up / mailing the panic info... Thanks, Karl Pielorz (ps. I can't go 'back up' - this is with the /usr/ports/mail/pine4 port - cvsup'd this morning)... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 12:36:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15255 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:36:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from helios.dnttm.ru (dnttm-gw.rssi.ru [193.232.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15219 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:35:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by helios.dnttm.ru (8.8.5/8.8.5/IP-3) with UUCP id XAA04347; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:26:37 +0400 Received: from tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA03748; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:26:10 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Message-Id: <199810041926.XAA03748@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: obrien@NUXI.com cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: potential UFS kernel problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:53:30 PDT." <19980930005330.A1326@nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 23:26:10 +0400 From: Dmitrij Tejblum Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "David O'Brien" wrote: > I would really appreciate it if someone would see if this patch to > GENERIC produces a kernel that can't mount a UFS root. [...] Especially for you: --- vfs_init.c Sun Oct 4 00:45:32 1998 +++ vfs_init.c Sun Oct 4 16:17:39 1998 @@ -251,7 +251,7 @@ * Initialize each file system type. */ vattr_null(&va_null); - maxtypenum = 0; + maxtypenum = 1; vfc = (struct vfsconf **)vfs_set.ls_items; vfsconf = *vfc; for (; *vfc != NULL; maxtypenum++, vfc++) { Dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 12:38:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15473 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:38:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from helios.dnttm.ru (dnttm-gw.rssi.ru [193.232.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15462 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:38:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by helios.dnttm.ru (8.8.5/8.8.5/IP-3) with UUCP id XAA04263; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:22:40 +0400 Received: from tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA03633; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:22:11 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Message-Id: <199810041922.XAA03633@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Karl Denninger cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD3.0-BETA crash! In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 12:33:43 CDT." <19981004123343.A19373@Denninger.Net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 23:22:11 +0400 From: Dmitrij Tejblum Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Karl Denninger wrote: > On Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 07:00:39PM +0200, Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav wrote: > > > > Don't Do That (tm). > > > > To be more precise, do a proper make world with no fancy options and > > come back if you're still having problems. > > > > DES > > -- > > Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no > > That doesn't work. I have "come back". > > I sent in a PR for the problem that prevents it from working (a bad Makefile > in libskey) two weeks ago AND IT HAS NOT BEEN COMMITTED. Your CFLAGS in /etc/make.conf doesn't contain -O or -O2. That is a fancy option. Don't do that. (Better, don't set CFLAGS at all.) Dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 12:42:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16111 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:42:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16087 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:42:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21793; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:42:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd021779; Sun Oct 4 12:42:12 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08775; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:42:09 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810041942.MAA08775@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? To: shocking@prth.pgs.com (Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:42:08 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810040527.NAA09103@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> from "Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth" at Oct 4, 98 01:27:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Someone needs to flush $15 on the "free" Solaris and/or UnixWare CDROM, > > which has an ELF Motif library on it. > > > Unfortunately, this may end up being a similar situation to the Linux ELF libs > thatb are shipped on the XiG CD, inthat there are all sorts of assumptions > made about the internals of libc and some of the funny stuff it exports. I've got to say ... "Then FreeBSD is wrong". Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 12:51:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17181 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:51:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17170 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:51:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23351; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:50:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd023292; Sun Oct 4 12:50:41 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA09045; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:50:34 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810041950.MAA09045@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? To: chuckr@mat.net (Chuck Robey) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:50:34 +0000 (GMT) Cc: green@zone.syracuse.net, cracauer@cons.org, tlambert@primenet.com, nate@mt.sri.com, osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Chuck Robey" at Oct 4, 98 12:39:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > That's because of two things, the semantics of the libc call, and the > way that OS calls are done. In the semantics, I'm referring both to > what precisely the call does, which varies sufficiently to be a major > headache, and the number/order of arguments. It's not standard, Brian. For example, the FreeBSD setpgrp takes arguments, when POSIX states that it is a void function. FreeBSD is broken. On the other hand, ther Motif libraries don't make system calls directly, only indirectly through libXt. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 12:56:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17850 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:56:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17843 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:56:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk) Received: from [158.152.46.40] (helo=ragnet.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zPuGO-0007Fv-00; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:56:16 +0000 Received: from dmlb by ragnet.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zPu08-0003EV-00; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:39:28 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199810041820.UAA02473@phoenix.granlund.nu> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 20:39:28 +0100 (BST) From: Duncan Barclay To: Johan Granlund Subject: RE: Exabyte 8200 and CAM, Take 2 Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 04-Oct-98 Johan Granlund wrote: > HI > > I have a Exabyte 8200 tape streamer. It worked fine in a preCAM system exept > for > timeout errors when using a rewind devicenode. > > After CAM i get a lookups at probing of the SCSI-bus. I don't get any > timeoutmessages > or anything. If the powercord to the tapedrive is unplugged the boot > continues and the > tapedrive is in the report. This is even when the tapedrive stays unplugged. > > I have tried two version of firmware on the tapedrive 2618 and 2644 for no > effekt. > > If multiple LUN support is enabled (normally off on my system) on the > controller > (Adaptec 2940UW), the tape driver is reported on all LUNs in the BIOS scan. I > thought > that maybe multiple LUN probing locked the drive and tried the following > patch to > sys/cam/cam_xpt.c for no effect. > { > { > T_SEQUENTIAL, SIP_MEDIA_REMOVABLE, "EXABYTE, "EXB-8200*", "*" > }, > CAM_QUIRK_NOLUNS, /*mintags*/0, /*maxtags*/0 > }, > > Follows part of dmesg with a 15 min wait between lockup and unplugging of > powercord > to tapedrive and a SCSI_DELAY of 60000. Strange, my Exabyte 8200 probes fine with no lockups, I have a NCR810 card. Current as of about 06:30GMT 2/10/98. Exabyte has same firmware as yours. FreeBSD 3.0-BETA #0: Sat Oct 3 03:33:50 GMT 1998 dmlb@computer.my.domain:/usr/src/sys/compile/COMPUTER ... ncr0: rev 0x01 int a irq 9 on pci0.8.0 ... sa0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 sa0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI1 device sa0: 3.300MB/s transfers Duncan --- ________________________________________________________________________ Duncan Barclay | God smiles upon the little children, dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk | the alcoholics, and the permanently stoned. ________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 13:05:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18904 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:05:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18896 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:05:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25787; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:05:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd025754; Sun Oct 4 13:04:51 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA09520; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:04:46 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810042004.NAA09520@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: something is leaking To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:04:46 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, eivind@yes.no, alk@pobox.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810040652.XAA02349@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Oct 3, 98 11:52:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The shared memory regions are not being "owned" and reference > > counted correctly. > > > > This is either a bug in the X Server, or in netscape. > > Very few kernels are configured to have that much shared memory; I > don't think this has anything to do with it. I've observed Netscape's > interesting growth patterns on systems without SYSVSHM devined (ie. no > MIT-SHM extension available). Try it before you comment. You can't really argue with success. As I said, I've been unwilling to track it down. > Also, I don't expect that rpc.statd talks to the X server. No, that's a seperate problem. The rpc.statd isn't aware of how to do a graph reduction. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 13:07:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19102 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:07:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19097 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:07:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09758; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:07:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd009706; Sun Oct 4 13:07:16 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA09600; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:07:11 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810042007.NAA09600@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? To: cracauer@cons.org (Martin Cracauer) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:07:11 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, chuckr@mat.net, nate@mt.sri.com, cracauer@cons.org, osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19981004122417.A2793@cons.org> from "Martin Cracauer" at Oct 4, 98 12:24:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Someone needs to flush $15 on the "free" Solaris and/or UnixWare CDROM, > > which has an ELF Motif library on it. > > And this library won't use any system or libc calls that might be > incompatible in FreeBSD? It's not supposed to. If it does, I think you could attribute the breakage to FreeBSD, not Solaris. After all, which OS's have been certified to which standards? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 13:12:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19721 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:12:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19705; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:12:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA07365; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:12:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd007344; Sun Oct 4 13:12:01 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA09682; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:11:58 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810042011.NAA09682@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Problems with Kerberos and /etc/auth.conf To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:11:58 +0000 (GMT) Cc: markm@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <7633.907521782@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Oct 4, 98 10:23:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > OK, so I'm just going down my sheet of "things that various people > have reported as being most annoying in FreeBSD" and I'm looking at > the 'ol "su -K" FAQ, that being the one where people inadvertently > install kerberos (either by checking too many things off an install > menu or building from sources) and it subsequently bites the > non-internet connected by making su pause for a heck of a long time > trying to contact a kerberos server which doesn't exist. FWIW (which apparently ain't much), the thing I find most annoying is that there are FAQ's at all. If You know why something breaks, instead of writing about it, why not make it Just Work(tm) instead? The fact that there are FAQ's at all implies that FreeBSD is failing POLA at some baser level... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 13:13:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19857 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:13:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cons.org (knight.cons.org [194.233.237.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19840 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:13:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cracauer@cons.org) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by cons.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) id WAA05484 for current@freebsd.org; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:13:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19981004221324.A5471@cons.org> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:13:24 +0200 From: Martin Cracauer To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Timeout SCB handled by another timeout (kernel from saturday) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My machine stopped making the world with a current kernel the night from saturday to sunday. It's onboard 7880 with an older seagate disk (elite) on an Dual P5 (see dmesg below). It usually counts as reliable. No unusal activity happend that night (other drives at the bus were not used). Timeout SCB handled by another timeout swap_pager: indefinite wait in buffer ... I broke to the bebugger, this is the backtrace (doesn't look useful, tough): IdlePTD 2805760 initial pcb at 24ce24 panicstr: from debugger panic messages: --- panic: from debugger mp_lock = 01000002; cpuid = 1; lapic.id = 01000000 boot() called on cpu#1 syncing disks... Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode mp_lock = 01000003; cpuid = 1; lapic.id = 01000000 fault virtual address = 0xb8 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf013c8f7 stack pointer = 0x10:0xff804cbc frame pointer = 0x10:0xff804cd0 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = Idle interrupt mask = bio <- SMP: XXX panic: from debugger mp_lock = 01000003; cpuid = 1; lapic.id = 01000000 boot() called on cpu#1 dumping to dev 401, offset 131072 dump 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 --- #0 boot (howto=260) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:268 268 dumppcb.pcb_cr3 = rcr3(); (kgdb) bt #0 boot (howto=260) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:268 #1 0xf013abc4 in panic (fmt=0xf0115cb8 "from debugger") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:430 #2 0xf0115cd5 in db_panic (addr=-266384575, have_addr=0, count=-1, modif=0xff804e30 "") at ../../ddb/db_command.c:432 #3 0xf0115bb5 in db_command (last_cmdp=0xf02364c4, cmd_table=0xf0236324, aux_cmd_tablep=0xf024a010) at ../../ddb/db_command.c:332 #4 0xf0115d42 in db_command_loop () at ../../ddb/db_command.c:454 #5 0xf0118453 in db_trap (type=3, code=0) at ../../ddb/db_trap.c:71 #6 0xf01f48d4 in kdb_trap (type=3, code=0, regs=0xff804f20) at ../../i386/i386/db_interface.c:157 #7 0xf0206128 in trap (frame={tf_es = 16, tf_ds = 16, tf_edi = -1073741824, tf_esi = 1, tf_ebp = -8368284, tf_isp = -8368312, tf_ebx = 110, tf_edx = -266384628, tf_ecx = 980, tf_eax = 16, tf_trapno = 3, tf_err = 0, tf_eip = -266384575, tf_cs = 8, tf_eflags = 582, tf_esp = -266384644, tf_ss = -266213389}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:507 #8 0xf01f4b41 in Debugger (msg=0xf021e7f3 "kbd") at ../../i386/i386/db_interface.c:316 #9 0xf021e995 in sgetc (noblock=1) at ../../i386/isa/pcvt/pcvt_kbd.c:1751 #10 0xf021a4af in pcvt_timeout (arg=0x0) at ../../i386/isa/pcvt/pcvt_drv.c:813 #11 0xf013ed43 in softclock () at ../../kern/kern_timeout.c:124 /var/crash(wings)7# dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.0-BETA #3: Sat Oct 3 18:27:19 MEST 1998 cracauer@wings.cons.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/WINGS Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz cost 2763 ns CPU: Pentium/P54C (586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping=12 Features=0x3bf real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) avail memory = 62492672 (61028K bytes) Programming 24 pins in IOAPIC #0 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00030010, at 0xfee00000 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 1, version: 0x00030010, at 0xfee00000 io0 (APIC): apic id: 2, version: 0x00170011, at 0xfec00000 Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x03 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x01 on pci0.7.0 ide_pci0: rev 0x00 on pci0.7.1 de0: rev 0x11 int a irq 17 on pci0.9.0 de0: SMC 21041 [10Mb/s] pass 1.1 de0: address 00:e0:29:09:8c:67 ncr0: rev 0x11 int a irq 18 on pci0.10.0 vga0: rev 0x00 int a irq 9 on pci0.11.0 ahc0: rev 0x00 int a irq 19 on pci0.12.0 ahc0: Using left over BIOS settings ahc0: aic7880 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs Probing for devices on the ISA bus: vt0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard vt0: unkown s3, 80 col, color, 8 scr, mf2-kbd, [R3.20-b24] ed0 not found at 0x280 sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface lpt1 not found psm0 at 0x60-0x64 irq 12 on motherboard psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 3077MB (6303024 sectors), 6253 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ep0 not found at 0x300 aha0 not found npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface joy0 at 0x201 on isa joy0: joystick Intel Pentium F00F detected, installing workaround APIC_IO: Testing 8254 interrupt delivery APIC_IO: routing 8254 via pin 2 ccd0-3: Concatenated disk drivers SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! de0: enabling BNC port pass0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 3 lun 0 pass0: Fixed Scanner SCSI1 device pass0: 3.300MB/s transfers changing root device to da0s1a cd1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 cd1: Removable CD-ROM SCSI2 device cd1: 3.300MB/s transfers cd1: cd present [147191 x 2048 byte records] da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device da0: 10.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 15), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 2777MB (5688447 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 2777C) (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): tagged openings now 16 cd0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI2 device cd0: 3.300MB/s transfers cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present - tray closed -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer Tel.: (private) +4940 5221829 Fax.: (private) +4940 5228536 Paper: (private) Waldstrasse 200, 22846 Norderstedt, Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 13:34:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22269 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:34:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA22253 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:34:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 24223 invoked by uid 1001); 4 Oct 1998 20:34:03 +0000 (GMT) To: tlambert@primenet.com Cc: chuckr@mat.net, green@zone.syracuse.net, cracauer@cons.org, nate@mt.sri.com, osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:50:34 +0000 (GMT)" References: <199810041950.MAA09045@usr08.primenet.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 22:34:03 +0200 Message-ID: <24221.907533243@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On the other hand, ther Motif libraries don't make system calls directly, > only indirectly through libXt. A small extract from "nm libXm.so | grep ' U ' | sort -u" on the Solaris X86 libXm.so: U access U getgid U getuid U poll U sigaction U sigprocmask Sure looks to me like the Solaris Motif library makes system calls... Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 13:35:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22340 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:35:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22321; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:35:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA09757; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:34:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Terry Lambert cc: markm@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with Kerberos and /etc/auth.conf In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 20:11:58 -0000." <199810042011.NAA09682@usr08.primenet.com> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 13:34:47 -0700 Message-ID: <9752.907533287@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > If You know why something breaks, instead of writing about it, > why not make it Just Work(tm) instead? Oh geeze, stop being so silly this early in the day. :) If life was That Simple(tm) then we'd have peace in Bosnia and no hunger on earth and lots of other nice solutions to problems which have been known about for ages but people, somehow, just aren't finding the time or collaborative focus to deal with. In this specific case, as it so happens I've already sent Mark Murray some sample implementation code for dealing with this but it doesn't handle the default crypto method to use yet and may never do so, depending on time constraints. Go see for yourself - solving that particular problem (and, for all I know, the kerberos one) requires a bit more work, even when you're careful to virtualize the interface boundry and, um, do lock push-down with transitive closure. Was that correct? Am I getting the hang of Terryspeak(tm) here yet? :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 13:38:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22976 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:38:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles320.castles.com [208.214.167.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22967 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:38:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06447; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:43:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810042043.NAA06447@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Terry Lambert cc: shocking@prth.pgs.com (Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth), current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 19:42:08 -0000." <199810041942.MAA08775@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 13:43:24 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Someone needs to flush $15 on the "free" Solaris and/or UnixWare CDROM, > > > which has an ELF Motif library on it. > > > > > Unfortunately, this may end up being a similar situation to the Linux ELF libs > > thatb are shipped on the XiG CD, inthat there are all sorts of assumptions > > made about the internals of libc and some of the funny stuff it exports. > > I've got to say ... "Then FreeBSD is wrong". Because FreeBSD doesn't export the same libc magic that Solaris does? You're on the wrong side of the argument. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 13:47:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24626 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:47:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles320.castles.com [208.214.167.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24543 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:47:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06504; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:51:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810042051.NAA06504@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Terry Lambert cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), eivind@yes.no, alk@pobox.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: something is leaking In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 20:04:46 -0000." <199810042004.NAA09520@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 13:51:39 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > The shared memory regions are not being "owned" and reference > > > counted correctly. > > > > > > This is either a bug in the X Server, or in netscape. > > > > Very few kernels are configured to have that much shared memory; I > > don't think this has anything to do with it. I've observed Netscape's > > interesting growth patterns on systems without SYSVSHM devined (ie. no > > MIT-SHM extension available). > > Try it before you comment. You can't really argue with success. As I > said, I've been unwilling to track it down. I don't know how you come to the conclusion that I haven't tried it, especially when I explicitly stated that I had. There is a hard limit on the amount of SYSV shared memory that can be allocated. Even on systems without it enabled, Netscape still blows out to a ridiculous size, way beyond this value. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 13:50:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25201 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:50:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles320.castles.com [208.214.167.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25155 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:50:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06534; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:54:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810042054.NAA06534@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Terry Lambert cc: cracauer@cons.org (Martin Cracauer), chuckr@mat.net, nate@mt.sri.com, osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 20:07:11 -0000." <199810042007.NAA09600@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 13:54:34 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Someone needs to flush $15 on the "free" Solaris and/or UnixWare CDROM, > > > which has an ELF Motif library on it. > > > > And this library won't use any system or libc calls that might be > > incompatible in FreeBSD? > > It's not supposed to. > > If it does, I think you could attribute the breakage to FreeBSD, > not Solaris. After all, which OS's have been certified to which > standards? The Solaris ABI defines the interface between executing programs and the kernel. The various programming APIs define the source-level interface. There are no standards for the interface between shared objects which are relevant to the discussion. You will notice, if you had been paying attention to the list of missing library symbols recently posted, that the interface between the Solaris Motif library and the Solaris C library involves a not insubstantial number of very weird symbols. It might be feasible to implement a compatibility library, but this would, naturally, suck. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 13:51:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25351 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:51:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25275; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:51:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA18274; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:50:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Terry Lambert cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard), markm@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Problems with Kerberos and /etc/auth.conf In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 20:11:58 -0000." <199810042011.NAA09682@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 16:50:47 -0400 Message-ID: <18270.907534247@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote in message ID <199810042011.NAA09682@usr08.primenet.com>: > If You know why something breaks, instead of writing about it, > why not make it Just Work(tm) instead? > > > The fact that there are FAQ's at all implies that FreeBSD is failing > POLA at some baser level... Perhaps. But on the other hand, there are much more important problems facing FreeBSD than a bad, or poorly thought out UI, such as lingering VM and FS bugs. What is the point in having a UI that even a dummy could use without having to ask questions when the system crashes all the time? I'd take a stable, but not POLA-proof system over an unstable, but idiot-proof one anyday. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 14:02:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27071 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:02:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zone.syracuse.net (zone.syracuse.net [205.232.47.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27065 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:02:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@zone.syracuse.net) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by zone.syracuse.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA02815; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:58:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Feldman To: "Eric J. Chet" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with 3-stage bootloader In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Okay, I figured this out myself. You are incorrect, it does NOT work, in one very important case: with DDB. No, sorry, DDB is _not_ ELF-ready yet. For one, in an ELF kernel db_aout.c is still used when db_elf.c needs to be used, but more importantly, db_elf.c is broken. I fixed it up enough to get it to work and compile, but I was getting ksym_start and ksym_end from bootinfo, which doesn't seem to be right, as ELF DDB does not like bi_symtab and bi_esymtab. Or, maybe, the boot-loader isn't setting the bootinfo correctly (does the boot-loader do that? it sure seems so, seeing as /boot/loader breaks DDB on an a.out kernel.) So basically, I think the bootloader has problems that need to be fixed for both a.out and ELF before it should be used. Next order of business: after booting my working ELF kernel with the _CORRECT_ db_(format).c (unlike what happens by default now), modules are entirely non-working. Modload doesn't work, as it won't recognize the kernel. My ELF-hacked modload has a chance of working, but I stopped after converting the arguments to ld from the pre-binutils-2.x to the current format, so it would actually run, and generate /tmp/mod_whatever.out, seeing as I did not want to muck around in all that a.out code, and since kldload(2) should deprecate modload. However, after generating kldloadable modules (first ELF, then a.out) I learned a. kldload doesn't recognize ELF .ko's b. kldload faults on an a.out .ko So whoever does the kld stuff (Polstra?) should take a look at kldload(), and maybe I shall rewrite modload(8) for ELF before 3.0-RELEASE, if modload will have to be used :( And Mike Smith, you do the new 3-stage loader, right? Well you should look at the struct bootinfo code, I suppose. And whoever works on DDB, needs to comb through db_elf.c, I didn't find it too hard to fix it to boot, and it shouldn't be hard to get ksym_start and ksym_end (or whatever they are on non-NetBSD, bootinfo right?) Sorry, I've taken up too much space already. I'm willing to work on things, such as kldload, but it's nice that right now I have a working, booting a.out kernel, so I'm not about to kluge around in other people's code (that they know better than I do) just for a fully ELF system. Oh, last problem, if modload _will_ be used in the ELF world with an ELF kernel: symorder is a.out, perhaps a bit of sh/nm/ld replacement action is in order (which I could do, if symorder really is that important). Hope this helps =) Cheers, Brian Feldman On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Eric J. Chet wrote: > > On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Brian Feldman wrote: > > > I too cannot boot an ELF kernel yet, as I get a page fault as well :( more > > info when I get some. Oh, yes, this is with the very latest kernel and > > loader (with the esym = ssym = 0 fixes). > > > > Hello > > It might help somebody so, this is the procedure I used to > upgrade to an elf kernel. I just installed an elf kernel and booted > without any problems. I'm -current as of Oct 4 12:44pm EDT. > > cd /sys/boot > make depend && make && make install > > echo "/boot/loader" >/boot.conf > > cd /sys/i386/conf > export KERNFORMAT=elf #you can put "KERNFORMAT=elf" in your /etc/make.conf > config -r configfile > > cd ../../compile/configfile > make depend && make && make install > > reboot > > Regards, > > Eric Chet -> ejc@bazzle.com || ejc@FreeBSD.ORG || ejchet@lucent.com > Systems Analysts - Specializing in OOA, OOD, C++, Java and CORBA > Kenpo Jiu-Jitsu the Ultimate in Self Defense, Tai Chi for Life > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 14:03:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27328 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:03:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles320.castles.com [208.214.167.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27312 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:03:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06658; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:08:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810042108.OAA06658@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: dmaddox@scsn.net cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Shouldn't 'make includes' install stand.h? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 13:32:39 -0000." <19981004133239.A309@scsn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 14:08:42 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Shouldn't a 'make -DCLOBBER includes' result in a _complete_ set > > > of includes? Are there other includes than stand.h that don't > > > get installed by 'make includes'? > > > > No. "Make includes" installs random header files. libstand.h is > > installed at the same time libstand is; if you install just the former, > > you're going to die in the link phase when you can't find the latter. > > 'Random header files'? Ok, if you say so, but so far, the only "standard" > component of /usr/include I've managed to identify as _not_ installed by > 'make includes' is stand.h. This seems counterintuitive to me... libstand.h is not a "standard" component of /usr/include, any more than eg. zlib.h. > Your point about installing the header without the lib is valid, but it > seems to me that this is applicable to just about all of the includes, in one > way or another. Maybe there shouldn't be a 'make includes' target at all? 'make includes' theoretically exists as a catchall to install headers not associated with any particular item. It's commonly abused to avoid the chicken-and-egg problem that occurs when you try to build a tool that consumes an interface to something else that hasn't been built yet. > I'm not trying to be combative here; this is not a religious issue to > me... The current behavior just seems to me to violate POLA. Only if you have misapprehensions about what 'make includes' does. It seems mostly to trip up people with such misapprehensions. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 14:04:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27495 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:04:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hoflink.com (hoflink.com [199.173.65.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27475 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:04:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikeg@hoflink.com) Received: from hoflink.com (ppp26.hoflink.com [199.173.65.126]) by hoflink.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA27845 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3617E2CB.9C72B912@hoflink.com> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 17:04:11 -0400 From: Michael Graziano X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Problem installing 10/03 beta Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG When I tried to install from a DOS partition earlier today, the install failed with the message: Error mounting /dev/wd0s1 on /dist: Operation not supported by device (19) I also had this problem with the 09/28 beta. I also had a problem with he 9/28 beta booting up on one of my machines. It booted fine here (where it was installed), but when I moved the drive back to it's home machine it failed during the reboot, right after fsck reported the free space on the root partition. The messages there were pid 10 (fsck), uid 0: exited on signal 10 Bus error Unknown error in reboot And then the system dropped to single-user mode. fsck failed at the same point when run manually. The machine is an old 486 with a generic no-name IDE controller that has worked fine with all previous releases and snaps of FreeBSD. Any ideas? -Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 14:28:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01255 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:28:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sockratte.schell.de (polz.de [195.20.238.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01245 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:28:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sas@schell.de) Received: from guerilla.foo.bar (hennen32s.iserlohn.netsurf.de [194.195.194.226]) by sockratte.schell.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA08724; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:27:52 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.foo.bar [127.0.0.1]) by guerilla.foo.bar (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA17978; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:27:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:27:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Sascha Schumann To: Karl Pielorz cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Pine port problem (probably off topic) In-Reply-To: <199810041919.UAA02804@caladan.tdx.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Karl Pielorz wrote: > > Hi All, > > I realise this probably isn't the place to bring > this up - but I've been working on my -current > system for most the weekend (elf, CAM etc.) and > I have a few panics to report... I'd love to use > pine to write the mail, but I can't get that to > compile... Right, it needs some changes to compile cleanly. I write this in Pine 4.05 on a ELF -current, btw... > If someone can suggest how I can fix: > > cc -O -pipe -DDEBUG -DBSDI -DBSDI2 -DPOSIX > -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE main.o -L. -lpico -ltermcap > -o pico > /usr/libexec/elf/ld: cannot open -lpico: No such > file or directory > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > > I realise the ports changeover to ELF is still > happening - I guess the above is something to do > with 'libpico.so.2.0' vs. '2' (without the .0'?) > but that's just a guess... Substitute the -lpico with ../pico/libpico or tell the compiler how it can find the library in the pico subdirectory. Sascha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 14:49:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04351 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:49:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pozo.pozo.com (pozo.pozo.com [207.201.8.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04336 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:49:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mantar@netcom.com) Received: from dual (DUAL [192.168.0.2]) by pozo.pozo.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA00337; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:48:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mantar@netcom.com) Message-Id: <4.1.19981004144253.00a24b20@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: null@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 14:48:10 -0700 To: Mike Smith From: Manfred Antar Subject: Re: CRUSH after recompile kernel... Cc: Mike Smith , Robert Nordier , osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 06:15 PM 10/3/98 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >> > >> Just out of curiosity I built an elf kernel without the debugger and >> tried the /boot/loader. >> It worked fine. >> so the problem had something to do with the debugger code. >> I'll test it more Sunday. > >Ok. I have a pretty good idea as to what might be going on now; >thanks for the input. If you want to do something really helpful, >print the values of bootinfo.bi_symtab and bootinfo.bi_esymtab in the >non-debugger kernel, and then load it with btxboot and the loader. > >Put a printf somewhere in machdep.c, eg. around about where it tests to >call userconfig(). > >My guess is that there's something wrong with the symbol table >information coming in, and it causes ddb to explode. > > >I'm not sure how to do the above. >But I have been following this thread and put >esym = ssym = 0; >in line 81 of /sys/i386/libi386/elf_freebsd.c >and I can now boot a current elf kernel with the standard bootblocks with /boot/loader. I just built a loader from the latest elf_freebsd.c (ver 1.5) and it boots a elf kernel fine. I can't seem to get it to boot in single user mode though. This is what I've tried. boot -s boot /kernel -s boot kernel -s Every one of the above boots , but not into single user mode somehow the -s is not getting passed on. Is there a new syntax for this ? Thanks Manfred ============================== || mantar@netcom.com || || pozo@infinex.com || || Ph. (415) 681-6235 || ============================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 14:55:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05214 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:55:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hillbilly.hayseed.net (hillbilly.hayseed.net [204.62.130.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05207 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:55:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from enkhyl@hayseed.net) Received: from hillbilly.hayseed.net (hillbilly.hayseed.net [204.62.130.2]) by hillbilly.hayseed.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06205; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:54:30 -0700 Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:54:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Nielsen To: Karl Denninger cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav_?= , Josef Karthauser , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD3.0-BETA crash! In-Reply-To: <19981004123343.A19373@Denninger.Net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Karl Denninger wrote: > On Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 07:00:39PM +0200, Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav wrote: > > Josef Karthauser writes: > > > I've got a machine here running FreeBSD 3.0-BETA. After cvsupping it > > > today and: > > > > > > make -DNOCLEAN world > > > > Don't Do That (tm). > > > > To be more precise, do a proper make world with no fancy options and > > come back if you're still having problems. > > > > DES > > -- > > Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no > > That doesn't work. I have "come back". > > I sent in a PR for the problem that prevents it from working (a bad Makefile > in libskey) two weeks ago AND IT HAS NOT BEEN COMMITTED. > > Three lines guys - c'mon. Why does it work for me, then? I did a cvsup around 10:00PM PDT last night and a successful buildworld very shortly after that. Is there something special about your setup that I missed somewhere? I'm not trying to be confrontational; I'm just curious and interested in helping, if possible. -- Christopher Nielsen Scient: The Art and Science of Electronic Business cnielsen@scient.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 15:05:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06565 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:05:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hillbilly.hayseed.net (hillbilly.hayseed.net [204.62.130.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06530; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:04:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from enkhyl@hayseed.net) Received: from hillbilly.hayseed.net (hillbilly.hayseed.net [204.62.130.2]) by hillbilly.hayseed.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06232; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:04:08 -0700 Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:04:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Nielsen To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Mark Murray , markm@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with Kerberos and /etc/auth.conf In-Reply-To: <7857.907524651@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > How about a "deKerberise" target in src/kerberosIV (or wherever)? I'm > > sure I can bang one into shape. > > That would only help those who got into that position through builds, > there being a lot more who simply check everything in the "DES" menu > in sysinstall and don't have sources. Besides, it seems like it would > be nifty to not _eliminate_ the Kerberos abilities so much as simply > disabling them on demand. If su sees that kerberos authentication is > not enabled on the system, for example, it just treats it like an > implicit -K. I have no problem with implementing an auth.conf parser > and the routines to query its state, if that would help. :) Disabling on demand would be more useful (for me anyway), I think. I'm probably not the only person that uses a laptop and switches between Kerberos and non-Kerberos networks (home and work, respectively) regularly (i.e., daily). -- Christopher Nielsen Scient: The Art and Science of Electronic Business cnielsen@scient.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 15:15:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07656 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:15:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silverback.gorilla.net (silverback.gorilla.net [208.128.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA07623; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:14:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@gorilla.net) Received: from peeper.TOJ.org [208.143.84.81] by silverback.gorilla.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.06) id A253323027E; Sun, 04 Oct 1998 17:10:27 CDT Received: (from tom@localhost) by peeper.TOJ.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) id RAA00328; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:14:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tom) Message-ID: <19981004171357.A318@TOJ.org> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:13:57 -0500 From: Tom Jackson To: Mike Smith , Tom Jackson Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CRUSH after recompile kernel... References: <199810040725.AAA02590@dingo.cdrom.com> <199810040919.CAA03330@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199810040919.CAA03330@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 02:19:43AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Okay Mike the new commits worked for the boot loader. To get the elf kernel to work unattended I had to comment out the options DDB and USERCONFIG_BOOT. There's some confusion out there about boot.conf. My /boot.config has the '/boot/loader' in it. I don't even know what the /boot/boot.conf is used for and there should not be a /boot.conf. Will keep fiddling with it, thanks for enabling me to go ELF, all the way. On Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 02:19:43AM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > Try other slices, eg: 'ls disk1s1a:'. It's not unlikely that there's a > > > > miscalculation in the slice numbering somewhere. > > > > > > I first wanted to try my Thinkpad with a dangerously dedicated ide and the > > > src and obj nfs mounted from the server (the one that doesn't work). The > > > Thinkpad works fine. > > > > > > The server, asus p2l97-ds w/ 1005 bios, does indeed have another partition > > > before FBSD. 1 is w95, 2 is FBSD boot, and 3 is FBSD. I tried ls'ing every- > > > thing I could think of and nothing works. I'll include the fdisk and disklabel. > > > > > > Any suggestion on what to try? > > > > Hang back and watch for some more commits - I appear to have made some > > mistakes in the 'guess what the root device is' code. On a box I just > > booted with quite old bootblocks, I get the "Can't work out which disk > > we are booting from" message, and the default device is 'disk-1a'. > > Ok. I've committed a few fixes now. I'm still seeing an odd case here > where the information from the previous bootstrap isn't being copied in > correctly, so the default disk is set wrong at startup, but I need to > chase this with Mr Nordier. > > Let me know how you go. > -- Tom -- IMail Server for Windows NT. Evaluation version. Copyright (c) 1995-98 Ipswitch, Inc. http://www.ipswitch.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 15:20:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08516 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:20:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08374; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:19:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199810042219.PAA08374@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: VMailer and hackers To: hackers Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Cc: current X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After giving you all a taste of VMailer, I am converting the lists back to bulk_mailer to give everyone a chance to address any mail sorting issues that may have arisen with procmail receipes, etc. Later this week we will go back to VMailer, hopefully for good ;) jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 15:25:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09113 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:25:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from minotaur.com (www.minotaur.com [209.70.17.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA09034 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:25:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@minotaur.com) Received: (qmail 580 invoked from network); 4 Oct 1998 22:24:10 -0000 Received: from enterprise.minotaur.com (HELO roaming) (209.70.17.10) by www.minotaur.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 1998 22:24:10 -0000 From: "Jon E. Mitchiner" To: Subject: 19981002-BETA Apache/Mouse problems Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:30:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bdefe6$86c29ea0$0400000a@roaming> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I recently installed the 19981002-BETA onto an ASUS P2B-LS system and the installation went through without a hitch. I had expected a couple of problems to come up, but everything worked well until I had decided to do a few things... I enabled the mouse daemon and driver but then I got a lot of out of sync errors and the mouse is unusable, so I can't set up X (as the problem is affected there as well.) In the messages, I see the following: Oct 4 17:55:25 labyrinth /kernel: psmintr: out of sync (0000 != 0008). Oct 4 17:55:25 labyrinth /kernel: psmintr: out of sync (00c8 != 0008). Oct 4 17:55:25 labyrinth /kernel: psmintr: out of sync (0000 != 0008). Oct 4 17:55:25 labyrinth /kernel: psmintr: out of sync (00c8 != 0008). Oct 4 17:55:25 labyrinth /kernel: psmintr: out of sync (00c8 != 0008). etc. I get 100's of those and am not sure what the problem is. Ive tried replacing the mouse (Logitech) which doesnt resolve the problem. The next step I'm going to try is plugging in a serial mice to see if this resolves the problem, but I found it odd. I was wondering if it was a freebsd-related problem? The next problem I had was installing the ports directory for Apache13 -- I understand that the ports dir haven't been completely fixed or working yet, but I was wondering if anyone could shed any light on this. I tried compiling Apache13 which seemed to work well, but when I attempted to run it, I ran into some module problems when trying /usr/local/sbin/apachectl start -- I get the following error: Syntax error on line 26 of /usr/local/etc/apache/httpd.conf: Cannot load /usr/local/libexec/apache/mod_mime_magic.so into server: /usr/local/libexec/apache/mod_mime_magic.so: Undefined symbol "ap_make_sub_pool" Doing file /usr/local/libexec/apache/mod_mime_magic.so, I get: /usr/local/libexec/apache/mod_mime_magic.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, Version 1 (FreeBSD), nto stripped So I tried removing all the modules in the httpd.conf file which didn't work. I suspect this is an aout-elf problem and am not sure where to go from here. Any suggestions/hints would be appreciated! Jon ___________________________________________________________________________ Jon E. Mitchiner - jon@minotaur.com Minotaur Technologies, LLC - http://www.minotaur.com - (703) 560-0683 (FAX) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 15:32:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10120 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:32:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Genesis.Denninger.Net (kdhome-2.pr.mcs.net [205.164.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10069 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:32:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karl@Genesis.Denninger.Net) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Genesis.Denninger.Net (8.9.1/8.8.2) id RAA20261; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:31:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19981004173129.A20257@Denninger.Net> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:31:29 -0500 From: Karl Denninger To: Christopher Nielsen Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav_?= , Josef Karthauser , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD3.0-BETA crash! References: <19981004123343.A19373@Denninger.Net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Christopher Nielsen on Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 02:54:30PM -0700 Organization: Karl's Sushi and Packet Smashers X-Die-Spammers: Spammers will be LARTed and the remains fed to my cat Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 02:54:30PM -0700, Christopher Nielsen wrote: > On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Karl Denninger wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 07:00:39PM +0200, Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav wrote: > > > Josef Karthauser writes: > > > > I've got a machine here running FreeBSD 3.0-BETA. After cvsupping it > > > > today and: > > > > > > > > make -DNOCLEAN world > > > > > > Don't Do That (tm). > > > > > > To be more precise, do a proper make world with no fancy options and > > > come back if you're still having problems. > > > > > > DES > > > -- > > > Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no > > > > That doesn't work. I have "come back". > > > > I sent in a PR for the problem that prevents it from working (a bad Makefile > > in libskey) two weeks ago AND IT HAS NOT BEEN COMMITTED. > > > > Three lines guys - c'mon. > > Why does it work for me, then? I did a cvsup around 10:00PM PDT last > night and a successful buildworld very shortly after that. Is there > something special about your setup that I missed somewhere? I'm not trying > to be confrontational; I'm just curious and interested in helping, if > possible. > > -- > Christopher Nielsen > Scient: The Art and Science of Electronic Business > cnielsen@scient.com > No idea. I have SEVERAL TIMES done a "rm -r /usr/src;cd /usr; cvs co src; cd src; make world" and had it blow up in EXACTLY the same place over the last few months. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) http://www.mcs.net/~karl I ain't even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 15:51:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12967 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:51:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles320.castles.com [208.214.167.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12946 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:51:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07268; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:55:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810042255.PAA07268@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Manfred Antar cc: Mike Smith , Robert Nordier , osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CRUSH after recompile kernel... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 14:48:10 PDT." <4.1.19981004144253.00a24b20@192.168.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 15:55:23 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I just built a loader from the latest elf_freebsd.c (ver 1.5) and it boots > a elf kernel fine. > I can't seem to get it to boot in single user mode though. > This is what I've tried. > boot -s > boot /kernel -s > boot kernel -s > > Every one of the above boots , but not into single user mode > somehow the -s is not getting passed on. > Is there a new syntax for this ? No, I'd have to guess that the RB_SINGLE flag isn't making it through. What happens if you do 'set boot_single=yes' before booting the kernel? eg. disk1a:> load kernel disk1a:> set boot_single=yes disk1a:> boot ? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 16:15:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16198 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:15:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16180 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:15:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from bubble.didi.com (sji-ca5-38.ix.netcom.com [209.109.234.38]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15244; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by bubble.didi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00944; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:13:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810042313.QAA00944@bubble.didi.com> To: cracauer@cons.org CC: nate@mt.sri.com, osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19981003134121.A16920@cons.org> (message from Martin Cracauer on Sat, 3 Oct 1998 13:41:21 +0200) Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * From: Martin Cracauer * I'm afraid we will still face a problem here. The jdk links * dynamically to libc, but as I understand Satoshi there will be no * about libs shipped with 3.0. I said no a.out packages shipped with 3.0. The operating system is not under my jurisdiction. :) Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 16:19:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16772 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:19:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.scsn.net (scsn.net [206.25.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16759 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:19:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmaddox@scsn.net) Received: from rhiannon.scsn.net ([209.12.57.9]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with ESMTP id AAA106; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:10:21 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by rhiannon.scsn.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA00538; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:19:44 GMT (envelope-from root) Message-ID: <19981004191943.A422@scsn.net> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:19:43 +0000 From: dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) To: Mike Smith Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Shouldn't 'make includes' install stand.h? Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net References: <19981004133239.A309@scsn.net> <199810042108.OAA06658@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199810042108.OAA06658@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 02:08:42PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 02:08:42PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > Shouldn't a 'make -DCLOBBER includes' result in a _complete_ set > > > > of includes? Are there other includes than stand.h that don't > > > > get installed by 'make includes'? > > > > > > No. "Make includes" installs random header files. libstand.h is > > > installed at the same time libstand is; if you install just the former, > > > you're going to die in the link phase when you can't find the latter. > > > > 'Random header files'? Ok, if you say so, but so far, the only "standard" > > component of /usr/include I've managed to identify as _not_ installed by > > 'make includes' is stand.h. This seems counterintuitive to me... > > libstand.h is not a "standard" component of /usr/include, any more than > eg. zlib.h. > > > Your point about installing the header without the lib is valid, but it > > seems to me that this is applicable to just about all of the includes, in one > > way or another. Maybe there shouldn't be a 'make includes' target at all? > > 'make includes' theoretically exists as a catchall to install headers > not associated with any particular item. It's commonly abused to avoid > the chicken-and-egg problem that occurs when you try to build a tool > that consumes an interface to something else that hasn't been built yet. > > > I'm not trying to be combative here; this is not a religious issue to > > me... The current behavior just seems to me to violate POLA. > > Only if you have misapprehensions about what 'make includes' does. It > seems mostly to trip up people with such misapprehensions. Well, I can only plead guilty as charged. If I want to rebuild everything in /usr/bin, I can cd to /usr/src/bin, type 'make all install', and watch everything in /usr/bin be rebuilt. The same applies to /bin, /sbin, /usr/sbin, /usr/share, etc., etc., etc. I thought the 'make includes' target was intended to rebuild /usr/include in the same way; it appears, however, that the only way to repopulate the /usr/include dir _completely_ is 'make world'. Oh well... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 17:03:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21904 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:03:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA21898 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:03:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19333; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:02:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd019306; Sun Oct 4 17:02:49 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA09356; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:02:46 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810050002.RAA09356@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:02:46 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, shocking@prth.pgs.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810042043.NAA06447@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Oct 4, 98 01:43:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Unfortunately, this may end up being a similar situation to the Linux ELF libs > > > thatb are shipped on the XiG CD, inthat there are all sorts of assumptions > > > made about the internals of libc and some of the funny stuff it exports. > > > > I've got to say ... "Then FreeBSD is wrong". > > Because FreeBSD doesn't export the same libc magic that Solaris does? > > You're on the wrong side of the argument. Multiply each side by the number of applications available that wrk with shared ELF libraries. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 17:07:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA22369 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:07:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA22361 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:07:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05254; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:07:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd005196; Sun Oct 4 17:07:26 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA09492; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:07:21 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810050007.RAA09492@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: something is leaking To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:07:20 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, mike@smith.net.au, eivind@yes.no, alk@pobox.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810042051.NAA06504@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Oct 4, 98 01:51:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Try it before you comment. You can't really argue with success. As I > > said, I've been unwilling to track it down. > > I don't know how you come to the conclusion that I haven't tried it, > especially when I explicitly stated that I had. > > There is a hard limit on the amount of SYSV shared memory that can be > allocated. Even on systems without it enabled, Netscape still blows > out to a ridiculous size, way beyond this value. I can guarantee Netscape won't grow out of all proportion if you run it on a machine other than the machine where the display is running, since I and a number of collegues have been doing it this way for a year or more without the crashes that everyone complains about. If you can get the client to make a network rather than a POSIX domain socket connection, you can get the same effect with a locally run client. The problem is managing disconnects, and tracking memory in use by client rather than by socket. Techincally, you could argue breakage in either libX or in the X server, depending on what side of the fence your feet were hanging over on any given day. In any case, if you provide a resource tracking mechanism to distinguish one program from another, the problem goes away. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 17:09:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA22613 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:09:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA22587 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:09:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA28697; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd028645; Sun Oct 4 17:08:51 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA09541; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:08:44 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810050008.RAA09541@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:08:44 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, cracauer@cons.org, chuckr@mat.net, nate@mt.sri.com, osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810042054.NAA06534@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Oct 4, 98 01:54:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The Solaris ABI defines the interface between executing programs and the > kernel. > > The various programming APIs define the source-level interface. > > There are no standards for the interface between shared objects which > are relevant to the discussion. Sure there are. There's the Solaris ABI. > You will notice, if you had been paying attention to the list of > missing library symbols recently posted, that the interface between the > Solaris Motif library and the Solaris C library involves a not > insubstantial number of very weird symbols. It might be feasible to > implement a compatibility library, but this would, naturally, suck. How? In that it would allow shared Solaris binaries to operate on FreeBSD? You must have a different definition of "suck"... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 17:42:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA26468 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:42:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles320.castles.com [208.214.167.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26450 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:42:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07872; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:46:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810050046.RAA07872@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Terry Lambert cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), cracauer@cons.org, chuckr@mat.net, nate@mt.sri.com, osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 00:08:44 -0000." <199810050008.RAA09541@usr09.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 17:46:19 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The Solaris ABI defines the interface between executing programs and the > > kernel. > > > > The various programming APIs define the source-level interface. > > > > There are no standards for the interface between shared objects which > > are relevant to the discussion. > > Sure there are. There's the Solaris ABI. Read what I just wrote: The Solaris ABI specifies the interface between a running program and the kernel. It *does*not* specify the interfaces between eg. libc and a libc consumer. The Solaris API specifies this at the *source* level. > > You will notice, if you had been paying attention to the list of > > missing library symbols recently posted, that the interface between the > > Solaris Motif library and the Solaris C library involves a not > > insubstantial number of very weird symbols. It might be feasible to > > implement a compatibility library, but this would, naturally, suck. > > How? In that it would allow shared Solaris binaries to operate on > FreeBSD? No, it would allow libraries built to link against the Solaris libc to instead link with the FreeBSD libc. > You must have a different definition of "suck"... The practical issues involved in implementing such a shim would be disgusting. We already have a mechanism for allowing Solaris binaries to operate on FreeBSD; it will be committed shortly after 3.0 is released. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 17:58:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA28983 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:58:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nu.binary.net (nu.binary.net [12.13.120.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28974 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:58:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nathan@matrix.binary.net) Received: from matrix.binary.net (nathan@matrix.binary.net [12.13.120.2]) by nu.binary.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA16396; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:58:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nathan@localhost) by matrix.binary.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id TAA02866; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:58:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19981004205808.A2470@binary.net> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:58:08 -0400 From: Nathan Dorfman To: Karl Denninger , Christopher Nielsen Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav_?= , Josef Karthauser , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD3.0-BETA crash! Mail-Followup-To: Karl Denninger , Christopher Nielsen , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav_?= , Josef Karthauser , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19981004123343.A19373@Denninger.Net> <19981004173129.A20257@Denninger.Net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19981004173129.A20257@Denninger.Net>; from Karl Denninger on Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 05:31:29PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 05:31:29PM -0500, Karl Denninger wrote: > No idea. I have SEVERAL TIMES done a "rm -r /usr/src;cd /usr; cvs co > src; cd src; make world" and had it blow up in EXACTLY the same place over > the last few months. I have a similar problem. It's been going on for a while now so it must be something local, but when make world hits secure/lib/libcrypt, it blows up. I haven't been able to make it blow up without using make world no matter how I tried so I actually gave up and ran the last few make worlds with -DNOCRYPT. But while we're on the subject, perhaps someone can identify what may be set to cause the problem: ===> lib/../secure/lib/libcrypt "Makefile", line 8: Malformed conditional (${BINFORMAT} != elf) "Makefile", line 11: if-less else "Makefile", line 11: Need an operator "Makefile", line 14: if-less endif "Makefile", line 14: Need an operator "Makefile", line 24: Malformed conditional (${BINFORMAT} == elf) "Makefile", line 24: Need an operator "Makefile", line 26: if-less endif "Makefile", line 26: Need an operator "Makefile", line 43: Malformed conditional (!defined(NOPIC) && defined(SHLIB_MAJOR) && ${BINFORMAT} == elf) "Makefile", line 49: if-less endif "Makefile", line 49: Need an operator make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue *** Error code 1 Like I said, it compiles fine any which way I try it, but when make world does it, it dies. *sigh* > -- > Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) http://www.mcs.net/~karl > I ain't even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give > up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization. -- ________________ ___________________________________________ / Nathan Dorfman \ / "`IE4 brings the web to UNIX'? *laughing* / nathan@rtfm.net \/ Isn't that similar to Ronald McDonald bringing / finger for PGP key \ religion to the pope?" -Jamie Bowden To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 18:01:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29246 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:01:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Genesis.Denninger.Net (kdhome-2.pr.mcs.net [205.164.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA29238 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:01:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karl@Genesis.Denninger.Net) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Genesis.Denninger.Net (8.9.1/8.8.2) id UAA21852; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:01:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19981004200102.B21499@Denninger.Net> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:01:02 -0500 From: Karl Denninger To: Christopher Nielsen , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav_?= , Josef Karthauser , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD3.0-BETA crash! References: <19981004123343.A19373@Denninger.Net> <19981004173129.A20257@Denninger.Net> <19981004205808.A2470@binary.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981004205808.A2470@binary.net>; from Nathan Dorfman on Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 08:58:08PM -0400 Organization: Karl's Sushi and Packet Smashers X-Die-Spammers: Spammers will be LARTed and the remains fed to my cat Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a differnet issue. The libskey problem is a simple one really - the Makefile is setting -Werror, and the library has defined macros that don't get used (through an include file) - which generates a warning. Since -Werror is set, that's a hard error and you're dead. The below looks like BINFORMAT is missing from your environment. You can stick that in /etc/make.conf and that should go away. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) http://www.mcs.net/~karl I ain't even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization. On Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 08:58:08PM -0400, Nathan Dorfman wrote: > On Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 05:31:29PM -0500, Karl Denninger wrote: > > No idea. I have SEVERAL TIMES done a "rm -r /usr/src;cd /usr; cvs co > > src; cd src; make world" and had it blow up in EXACTLY the same place over > > the last few months. > > I have a similar problem. It's been going on for a while now so it must > be something local, but when make world hits secure/lib/libcrypt, it blows > up. I haven't been able to make it blow up without using make world no > matter how I tried so I actually gave up and ran the last few make worlds > with -DNOCRYPT. But while we're on the subject, perhaps someone can identify > what may be set to cause the problem: > > ===> lib/../secure/lib/libcrypt > "Makefile", line 8: Malformed conditional (${BINFORMAT} != elf) > "Makefile", line 11: if-less else > "Makefile", line 11: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 14: if-less endif > "Makefile", line 14: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 24: Malformed conditional (${BINFORMAT} == elf) > "Makefile", line 24: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 26: if-less endif > "Makefile", line 26: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 43: Malformed conditional (!defined(NOPIC) && defined(SHLIB_MAJOR) && ${BINFORMAT} == elf) > "Makefile", line 49: if-less endif > "Makefile", line 49: Need an operator > make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > *** Error code 1 > > Like I said, it compiles fine any which way I try it, but when make world > does it, it dies. *sigh* > > > -- > > Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) http://www.mcs.net/~karl > > I ain't even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give > > up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization. > -- > ________________ ___________________________________________ > / Nathan Dorfman \ / "`IE4 brings the web to UNIX'? *laughing* > / nathan@rtfm.net \/ Isn't that similar to Ronald McDonald bringing > / finger for PGP key \ religion to the pope?" -Jamie Bowden To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 18:03:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29463 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:03:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.aha.ru (ns1.aha.ru [195.2.80.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA29437 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:03:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ozz.etrust.ru!etrust.ru!osa@serv.etrust.ru) Received: from sunny.aha.ru (sunny.aha.ru [195.2.83.112]) by ns1.aha.ru (8.9.1/8.9.1/aha-r/0.04B) with ESMTP id FAA25704 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 05:03:18 +0400 (MSD) Received: by sunny.aha.ru id FAA29225; (8.8.8/vak/1.9) Mon, 5 Oct 1998 05:02:32 +0400 (MSD) Received: from unknown(195.2.84.114) by sunny.aha.ru via smap (V1.3) id sma029211; Mon Oct 5 05:02:25 1998 Received: from ozz.etrust.ru by serv.etrust.ru with ESMTP id FAA28116; (8.9.1/vak/1.9) Mon, 5 Oct 1998 05:05:15 +0400 (MSD) Received: from localhost by ozz.etrust.ru with ESMTP id FAA20667; (8.9.1/vak/1.9) Mon, 5 Oct 1998 05:05:30 +0400 (MSD) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 05:05:29 +0400 (MSD) From: oZZ!!! To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: About pine-4.05 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=KOI8-R X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by serv.etrust.ru id FAA28116 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id SAA29449 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! Sorry me, but i don't know how i can put new port to FreeBSD's source tree. Today i successfully ported pine-4.05 on FreeBSD-3.0-ELF. What can i do? Plz help me. Rgdz, ïÓÏËÉÎ óÅÒÇÅÊ aka oZZ, osa@chat.ru FreeBSD - äÁ ÐÒÅÂÕÄÅÔ Ó ÎÁÍÉ ÓÉÌÁ! http://www.chat.ru/~osa/main.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 18:19:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02159 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:19:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (gatekeeper.Alameda.net [207.90.181.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02154 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:19:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ulf@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net) Received: by Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id SAA11244; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19981004181918.J13610@Alameda.net> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:19:18 -0700 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: "Jon E. Mitchiner" , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 19981002-BETA Apache/Mouse problems Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: <000301bdefe6$86c29ea0$0400000a@roaming> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <000301bdefe6$86c29ea0$0400000a@roaming>; from Jon E. Mitchiner on Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 06:30:01PM -0400 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 06:30:01PM -0400, Jon E. Mitchiner wrote: > > I tried compiling Apache13 which seemed to work well, but when I attempted > to run it, I ran into some module problems when trying > /usr/local/sbin/apachectl start -- I get the following error: > > Syntax error on line 26 of /usr/local/etc/apache/httpd.conf: > Cannot load /usr/local/libexec/apache/mod_mime_magic.so into server: > /usr/local/libexec/apache/mod_mime_magic.so: Undefined symbol > "ap_make_sub_pool" > > Doing file /usr/local/libexec/apache/mod_mime_magic.so, I get: > > /usr/local/libexec/apache/mod_mime_magic.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, > Intel 80386, Version 1 (FreeBSD), nto stripped > > So I tried removing all the modules in the httpd.conf file which didn't > work. I suspect this is an aout-elf problem and am not sure where to go > from here. It is a general problem of the port and -current/-BETA. I have Beta 0930 running. Get the same error. ap_make_sub_pool is used in other modules, like mod_autoindex.c, but that one is linked directly into the httpd as far I can see. I tried to find the routin and could not find it so far. > > Any suggestions/hints would be appreciated! > Jon > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Jon E. Mitchiner - jon@minotaur.com > Minotaur Technologies, LLC - http://www.minotaur.com - (703) 560-0683 (FAX) > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 18:26:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA03192 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:26:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA03187 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:26:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA11477; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:26:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:26:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: oZZ!!! cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: About pine-4.05 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id SAA03188 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Submit it as a PR. http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, oZZ!!! wrote: # Hello! # Sorry me, but i don't know how i can put new port to FreeBSD's source # tree. # # Today i successfully ported pine-4.05 on FreeBSD-3.0-ELF. # What can i do? Plz help me. # # Rgdz, # ïÓÏËÉÎ óÅÒÇÅÊ aka oZZ, # osa@chat.ru # FreeBSD - äÁ ÐÒÅÂÕÄÅÔ Ó ÎÁÍÉ ÓÉÌÁ! # http://www.chat.ru/~osa/main.html # # # To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org # with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message # To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 18:38:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04514 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:38:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp2.jps.net (smtp2.jps.net [209.63.224.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04509 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:38:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oski@jps.net) Received: from jps.net (209-63-253-244.smf.jps.net [209.63.253.244]) by smtp2.jps.net (8.9.0/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA17725; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <36182207.F57AC8D0@jps.net> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 18:33:59 -0700 From: Michael Oski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Graziano CC: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem installing 10/03 beta References: <3617E2CB.9C72B912@hoflink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike, The first error is the same I experienced with the 9/23 -9/27 beta's. When I asked about it last week, Jordon responded that the install from DOS was not yet supported on the boot floppies I used. I'm not sure if this was ever enabled. I worked around it by moving the dist to another machine and doing an FTP install from there. The second problem sounds like the driver parameters may be getting set differently between the two machines. I experienced a very similar problem a few years back when the write precomp was set to 0 (per the label on the disk) on the PC I installed in, and set to ??? (can't remember exactly) when auto-detected in the destination PC. I could boot from a DOS floppy and see the data, but couldn't boot or actually read the data IIRC. Just an idea... MO! Michael Graziano wrote: > When I tried to install from a DOS partition earlier today, the install > failed with the message: > Error mounting /dev/wd0s1 on /dist: Operation not supported by device > (19) > > I also had this problem with the 09/28 beta. > > I also had a problem with he 9/28 beta booting up on one of my > machines. It booted fine here (where it was installed), but when I > moved the drive back to it's home machine it failed during the reboot, > right after fsck reported the free space on the root partition. > The messages there were > > pid 10 (fsck), uid 0: exited on signal 10 > Bus error > Unknown error in reboot > > And then the system dropped to single-user mode. fsck failed at the > same point when run manually. > The machine is an old 486 with a generic no-name IDE controller that has > worked fine with all previous releases and snaps of FreeBSD. > > Any ideas? > -Mike > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 19:22:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09316 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:22:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09301 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:22:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA05413; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:21:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:21:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199810050221.WAA05413@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Brian Tao Cc: Garrett Wollman , FREEBSD-CURRENT Subject: Re: Processes stuck waiting for tty drain? In-Reply-To: References: <199810021456.KAA24945@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: > Hrm, so this is a telnetd-related problem then? It happened again I think so -- at least, I've only ever seen it with telnet, never rlogin. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 19:24:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09480 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:24:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.196.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09446 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:23:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp) Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (IDENT:wiEtBwWJhCFX6OXEO3lxddNWM6NtNzR2@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19381; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:23:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.7.6+2.6Wbeta7/3.4W/zodiac-May96) with ESMTP id LAA11528; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:24:20 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199810050224.LAA11528@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: "Jon E. Mitchiner" cc: , yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: 19981002-BETA Apache/Mouse problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 18:30:01 -0400." <000301bdefe6$86c29ea0$0400000a@roaming> References: <000301bdefe6$86c29ea0$0400000a@roaming> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 11:24:19 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I recently installed the 19981002-BETA onto an ASUS P2B-LS system and the >installation went through without a hitch. I had expected a couple of >problems to come up, but everything worked well until I had decided to do a >few things... > >I enabled the mouse daemon and driver but then I got a lot of out of sync >errors and the mouse is unusable, so I can't set up X (as the problem is >affected there as well.) > >In the messages, I see the following: > >Oct 4 17:55:25 labyrinth /kernel: psmintr: out of sync (0000 != 0008). >Oct 4 17:55:25 labyrinth /kernel: psmintr: out of sync (00c8 != 0008). >Oct 4 17:55:25 labyrinth /kernel: psmintr: out of sync (0000 != 0008). >Oct 4 17:55:25 labyrinth /kernel: psmintr: out of sync (00c8 != 0008). >Oct 4 17:55:25 labyrinth /kernel: psmintr: out of sync (00c8 != 0008). > >etc. I get 100's of those and am not sure what the problem is. Ive tried >replacing the mouse (Logitech) which doesnt resolve the problem. The next >step I'm going to try is plugging in a serial mice to see if this resolves >the problem, but I found it odd. I was wondering if it was a >freebsd-related problem? Would you tell exactly which model of mice you are trying to use on the PS/2 mouse port? Please give the -v option at the "boot:" prompt when you start your box, run the `dmesg' command after the system is up and running, and send me its output. The psm driver prints some diagnostic messages when it probes the mouse. Make sure you DO NOT unplug or plug the PS/2 mouse while the system is running. The PS/2 mouse must be present when the kernel is being loaded and must stay there until the system is shut down. The PS/2 mouse interface and the psm driver do not support "hot plugging/unplugging". Kazu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 19:44:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11757 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:44:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11746 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:44:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA17879; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:43:33 +1000 Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:43:33 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199810050243.MAA17879@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: ccsanady@friley-185-114.res.iastate.edu, dan@math.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: Partition weirdness.. Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >second sector of a disk slice (i.e. DOS partition). Disk label sectors >are special and the disk drivers normally refuse to write them. >You are supposed to be able to turn off this protection with the >"disklabel -W" command, though this never seems to work for me. It turns back on on close or thereabouts. This is easy to work around by not closing (e.g., sleep 1000 I have discovered (the hard way) that disk label sectors are also >special because the I/O system munges them when you read them. >It subtracts the slice base address from the bsd partition base >addresses in the label. I suspect it also recomputes the label >sector checksum, though I don't remember specifically checking >for this. It does not reverse these changes when you write >a label sector for the first time. Oops. There's nothing to reverse the first time, but it should add the slice base address. It only adds the slice base address for labeled slices, and the slice is still unlabeled when the i/o munging is done. This is for direct writes. The fixup is always done for writes for label ioctls, and it somehow gets done for direct writes by disklabel(8). >I present these possibly unintended features as an example of >what I think is a generally good design principle: An unnecessary >and complex feature is usually a bad idea. It is often much >better to have no feature at all. Absolute offsets for sectors in on-disk labels is 386BSD misfeature. The label fixups are supposed to make it transparent. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 20:35:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA19625 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:35:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA19577 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:35:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA00474 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:34:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Message-Id: <199810050334.XAA00474@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: new bootstrap - unexpected "echo" command results Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 23:34:57 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If you have a command such as echo Hello, world foo bar in your /boot/boot.conf file, this appears as Hello,worldfoobar rather than Hello, world foo bar as you (or maybe just me) might expect. I think this is because unargv() concatenates all the arguments in the argv arrary without adding whitespace. In the mean time, I guess I'll just enclose the works in quotes to have it appear as one paramter. Certainly this is nothing to loose sleep over. louie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 20:35:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA19634 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:35:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt053nb4.san.rr.com (dt053nb4.san.rr.com [204.210.34.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA19588 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:35:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt053nb4.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11727; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:34:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <36183E59.BC5A85B5@dal.net> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 20:34:49 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE-0929 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Price CC: "oZZ!!!" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: About pine-4.05 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Price wrote: > > Submit it as a PR. http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html > > On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, oZZ!!! wrote: > > # Hello! > # Sorry me, but i don't know how i can put new port to FreeBSD's source > # tree. Before working on a port, make sure to contact the port's maintainer. In this case, the maintainer of the port has already fixed it up and submitted a PR for it. Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** Go PADRES! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 20:42:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20867 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:42:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA20751 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:41:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 14578 invoked by uid 1003); 5 Oct 1998 03:41:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19981005054120.A11650@rucus.ru.ac.za> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 05:41:20 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Nathan Dorfman Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD3.0-BETA crash! References: <19981004123343.A19373@Denninger.Net> <19981004173129.A20257@Denninger.Net> <19981004205808.A2470@binary.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981004205808.A2470@binary.net>; from Nathan Dorfman on Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 08:58:08PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun 1998-10-04 (20:58), Nathan Dorfman wrote: > be something local, but when make world hits secure/lib/libcrypt, it blows > up. I haven't been able to make it blow up without using make world no > matter how I tried so I actually gave up and ran the last few make worlds > with -DNOCRYPT. But while we're on the subject, perhaps someone can identify > what may be set to cause the problem: > > ===> lib/../secure/lib/libcrypt > "Makefile", line 8: Malformed conditional (${BINFORMAT} != elf) > "Makefile", line 11: if-less else > "Makefile", line 11: Need an operator *snip* > > Like I said, it compiles fine any which way I try it, but when make world > does it, it dies. *sigh* Had the same problem this morning - cvsup'ing src-crypto, src-secure, and src-eBones seemed to fix things. Of course, I hadn't made world or cvsup'd in at least a month and a half; it's probably something to do with the way ELF was thought to be implemented, and it wasn't implemented that way. Anyway, try that out, it worked for me. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 20:42:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20900 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:42:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.aha.ru (ns1.aha.ru [195.2.80.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA20759 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:41:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ozz.etrust.ru!etrust.ru!osa@serv.etrust.ru) Received: from sunny.aha.ru (sunny.aha.ru [195.2.83.112]) by ns1.aha.ru (8.9.1/8.9.1/aha-r/0.04B) with ESMTP id HAA28209; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:41:21 +0400 (MSD) Received: by sunny.aha.ru id HAA14703; (8.8.8/vak/1.9) Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:40:27 +0400 (MSD) Received: from unknown(195.2.84.114) by sunny.aha.ru via smap (V1.3) id sma014674; Mon Oct 5 07:40:14 1998 Received: from ozz.etrust.ru by serv.etrust.ru with ESMTP id HAA28384; (8.9.1/vak/1.9) Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:43:03 +0400 (MSD) Received: from localhost by ozz.etrust.ru with ESMTP id HAA21153; (8.9.1/vak/1.9) Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:43:19 +0400 (MSD) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:43:18 +0400 (MSD) From: oZZ!!! To: Studded cc: Steve Price , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: About pine-4.05 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF... In-Reply-To: <36183E59.BC5A85B5@dal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Studded wrote: > Steve Price wrote: > > > > Submit it as a PR. http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html > > > > On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, oZZ!!! wrote: > > > > # Hello! > > # Sorry me, but i don't know how i can put new port to FreeBSD's source > > # tree. > > Before working on a port, make sure to contact the port's maintainer. > In this case, the maintainer of the port has already fixed it up and > submitted a PR for it. > I tried to contact with him, but he is not response... New version of pine (pine-4.05) released at September, now i think middle of October... I want pine & i do it! > Doug > -- > *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** > > Go PADRES! > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 21:01:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24902 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:01:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail4.aracnet.com (mail4.aracnet.com [205.159.88.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24791 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:01:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from beattie@aracnet.com) Received: from shell2.aracnet.com (IDENT:beattie@shell2.aracnet.com [205.159.88.20]) by mail4.aracnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA04140; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:00:26 -0700 Received: from localhost by shell2.aracnet.com (8.8.7) id VAA20703; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:00:50 -0700 Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:00:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Beattie To: Rob cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: `aic' preparedness... In-Reply-To: <199810030511.BAA23829@stratos.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 3 Oct 1998, Rob wrote: > > For the past year and a half, I have been a happy customer of > FreeBSD. ... > Now that there was this big transition to CAM, I found out that > they had successfully incorporated every SCSI driver into the system > except the one I have -- `aic'. > Since my FreeBSD partition is on a SCSI disk, and I also make > use of a SCSI tape drive and ZIP disk, at this point I am going to need > to know if there are any serious plans to reinstate the `aic' driver > into the current kernel. ... > I am currently working on the aic driver. I am doing this in my free time, and nobody is paying me to do this. I have a job, a wife and a child, in short a life. I am making progress although not as much as I would like. I am sure that at some point if I do not deliver, others will get impatient with me and step in. Aic will be supported under CAM but it will not be in 3.0. Brian Beattie | If my corporate life has taught me anything, beattie@aracnet.com | it was that running multi-million dollar www.aracnet.com/~beattie | projects in no way implied managerial competence. | Tony Porczyk ( in comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc ) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 21:56:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA03673 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:56:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03594 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:55:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA03825; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:54:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA01596; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:54:32 -0600 Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:54:32 -0600 Message-Id: <199810050454.WAA01596@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Terry Lambert Cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), eivind@yes.no, alk@pobox.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: something is leaking In-Reply-To: <199810050007.RAA09492@usr09.primenet.com> References: <199810042051.NAA06504@dingo.cdrom.com> <199810050007.RAA09492@usr09.primenet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I can guarantee Netscape won't grow out of all proportion if you run > it on a machine other than the machine where the display is running, > since I and a number of collegues have been doing it this way for a > year or more without the crashes that everyone complains about. Really? Guarantee? What kind of reward do I get if your guarantee fails? (The box *running* Netscape (3.04, the latest) is running FreeBSD 2.1.7, and the box *displaying* it is running 2.2-stable, and netscape gets *way* out of control all the time, and must be restarted on a weekly basis. The netscape in question runs my wife's email and she also does the occasional bit of 'surfing', but is very lightly used. What do I win? :) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 22:20:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA06958 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:20:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tokyonet-entrance.astec.co.jp (tokyonet-entrance.astec.co.jp [202.239.16.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA06857; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:19:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from g-nakai@internetsolutions.co.jp) Received: from amont.astec.co.jp (amont.astec.co.jp [172.20.10.1]) by tokyonet-entrance.astec.co.jp (8.9.1+3.0W/3.7W-astecMX2.3) with ESMTP id OAA24864; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:18:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from apricot (isi05.astec.co.jp [172.20.12.205]) by amont.astec.co.jp (8.7.6/3.6W-astecMX2.4) with SMTP id OAA27946; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:18:40 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:18:40 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199810050518.OAA27946@amont.astec.co.jp> From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQ2YwZhsoQg==?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOSxHbhsoQg==?= To: vanilla@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gnome projects & devel/libgtop In-Reply-To: <19980930234810.A5757@oneway.net> References: <19980930234810.A5757@oneway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.23 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi.. > > Could someone can hack gnome* & devel/libgtop for 3.0c, > > the author of libgtop use 2.2.x, > > and there are too muck different between 2.2.x & 3.0. > > there have too much linux spec code on gnomecore, like cdplay cpuload. > > coul someone port it to freebsd? I did it!! The cpuload & etc applets now *seem to* :-) work well on my desktop. I don't know if patch-ab is really correct, because very lazy hack to search similer word in the include files of system. The patch-ae means simple mistake and I also don't know why libgtop works well on Linux or other without this patch. 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Mamakos" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new bootstrap - unexpected "echo" command results In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 23:34:57 EDT." <199810050334.XAA00474@whizzo.transsys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 22:46:43 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > as you (or maybe just me) might expect. I think this is because > unargv() concatenates all the arguments in the argv arrary without > adding whitespace. > > In the mean time, I guess I'll just enclose the works in quotes to have > it appear as one paramter. Certainly this is nothing to loose sleep over. Easy fix, done; thanks for the pointer. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 22:46:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA11291 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:46:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles140.castles.com [208.214.165.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA11039; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:45:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00390; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:49:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810050549.WAA00390@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Tom Jackson cc: Mike Smith , current@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CRUSH after recompile kernel... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 17:13:57 CDT." <19981004171357.A318@TOJ.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 22:49:46 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Okay Mike the new commits worked for the boot loader. To get the elf kernel > to work unattended I had to comment out the options DDB and USERCONFIG_BOOT. > There's some confusion out there about boot.conf. My /boot.config has the > '/boot/loader' in it. I don't even know what the /boot/boot.conf is used for > and there should not be a /boot.conf. Will keep fiddling with it, thanks for > enabling me to go ELF, all the way. /boot.config is read by the 'initial' bootstrap, the tool which in turn loads /boot/loader. This is transitional; eventually it will be able to go away. /boot/boot.conf (whose name may yet change, eg. /boot/loader.rc - no firm decisions yet) is read as a startup script by the 'loader' program. It can contain commands for this program; you can get a brief summary of these by typing '?' at the loader prompt. More complete help is still on the whiteboard. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 22:56:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12802 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:56:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12722 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:55:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA28570; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:54:42 +1000 Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:54:42 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199810050554.PAA28570@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: dmaddox@scsn.net, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: Shouldn't 'make includes' install stand.h? Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> I'm not trying to be combative here; this is not a religious issue to >> me... The current behavior just seems to me to violate POLA. > >Only if you have misapprehensions about what 'make includes' does. It >seems mostly to trip up people with such misapprehensions. `includes' is a private target in src/Makefile for installing [all] the includes. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 22:56:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12850 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:56:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.aha.ru (ns1.aha.ru [195.2.80.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12767 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:55:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from osa@serv.etrust.ru) Received: from sunny.aha.ru (sunny.aha.ru [195.2.83.112]) by ns1.aha.ru (8.9.1/8.9.1/aha-r/0.04B) with ESMTP id JAA02476 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:55:22 +0400 (MSD) Received: by sunny.aha.ru id JAA12588; (8.8.8/vak/1.9) Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:54:50 +0400 (MSD) Received: from unknown(195.2.84.114) by sunny.aha.ru via smap (V1.3) id sma012572; Mon Oct 5 09:54:49 1998 Received: from serv.etrust.ru by serv.etrust.ru with ESMTP id JAA28613; (8.9.1/vak/1.9) Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:57:39 +0400 (MSD) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:57:39 +0400 (MSD) From: =?KOI8-R?B?88XSx8XKIO/Tz8vJzg==?= To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Netscape release Communicator-4.07, but not for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF.. :-((( Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=KOI8-R X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to base64 by serv.etrust.ru id JAA28613 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id WAA12780 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! Does anyone know anythink about netscape navigator/communicator-4.0X for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF? Rgdz, ïÓÏËÉÎ óÅÒÇÅÊ aka oZZ, osa@etrust.ru FreeBSD: äÁ ÐÒÅÂÕÄÅÔ Ó ÎÁÍÉ ÓÉÌÁ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 23:42:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18959 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:42:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from eterna.binary.net (eterna.binary.net [12.13.120.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18890 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:41:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yura@matrix.binary.net) Received: from matrix.binary.net (yura@matrix.binary.net [12.13.120.2]) by eterna.binary.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA18138 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:41:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from yura@localhost) by matrix.binary.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id BAA23970; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:41:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19981005014133.A21212@binary.net> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:41:33 -0500 From: Yura Socolov To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 3.0-ELF and if_de crashes Reply-To: yura@binary.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm experiencing a 100% reproducible crashes on a fresh ELF 3.0. The box itself runs very smoothly, and without problems at all, it can make world, it can do 1.5M mysql queries per day, etc. The prblems start as soon as i try to cvsup anything. Originally it was a 980928-BETA installed over the net, then i manually downloaded 981002-BETA sources and made world, and now it's a freshly cvsup'ed and recompiled -current as of couple of hours ago. Before, as soon as i tried to cvsup anything, it would randomly hang, reboot or panic at various places down the download. Now, with the fresh -current it is mostly a panic. Only seldom it is a reboot or a hang. It happens only with cvsup, ftp'ing large files, regular ssh sessions, etc, etc all works fine. It happens both with dynamically linked cvsup compiled from ports and a statically linked one, downloaded from ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CVSup/ . All the panics now are exactly the same, at exact same place [see stack trace below]. The ethernet card is 21140-AF based Netgear FA 310-TX Rev C6.1, and it's pretty much brand new. Otherwise, the box is pretty much a vanilla box, no SCSI, no softupdates, no fancy stuff at all [see dmesg output below]. Notably, if i config kernel with -g, cvsup sometimes does manage to go through fine, and that is how i was able to download the fresh sources, but sometimes it still fails equally miserably. I am not sure whether if_de needs to be updated, but i have that card working fine in an a.aout -current box, and several 2.2.7-stable boxes, and as far as i can tell if_de.c and pmap.h have not changed a lot recentely... Perhaps i'm just missing something and something else is causing this, any ideas are certainly appreciated. See all relevant info below, if i'm forgetting something, or any additional information is needed, please let me know. Thank you for your time. -- yu IdlePTD 2166784 initial pcb at 1ec754 panicstr: page fault panic messages: --- Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0xefccccd8 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf018df89 stack pointer = 0x10:0xf01dbd30 frame pointer = 0x10:0xf01dbd64 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = Idle interrupt mask = net tty bio cam trap number = 12 panic: page fault syncing disks... Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0xefccccd8 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf018dfdd stack pointer = 0x10:0xf01db830 frame pointer = 0x10:0xf01db864 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = Idle interrupt mask = net tty trap number = 12 panic: page fault dumping to dev 20001, offset 458752 dump 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 --- #0 boot (howto=260) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:268 268 dumppcb.pcb_cr3 = rcr3(); (kgdb) where #0 boot (howto=260) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:268 #1 0xf01157eb in panic (fmt=0xf01bcc5f "page fault") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:430 #2 0xf01bd86d in trap_fatal (frame=0xf01db7f4) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:879 #3 0xf01bd300 in trap_pfault (frame=0xf01db7f4, usermode=0) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:772 #4 0xf01bcf97 in trap (frame={tf_es = 16, tf_ds = 16, tf_edi = 16, tf_esi = 775108963, tf_ebp = -266487708, tf_isp = -266487780, tf_ebx = 859006071, tf_edx = 0, tf_ecx = -256764320, tf_eax = 209718, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 0, tf_eip = -266805283, tf_cs = 8, tf_eflags = 66070, tf_esp = -256763904, tf_ss = -262998528}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:396 #5 0xf018dfdd in tulip_txput (sc=0xf0b21800, m=0xf04ee800) at machine/pmap.h:171 #6 0xf018e571 in tulip_ifstart_one (ifp=0xf0b21818) at ../../pci/if_de.c:4851 #7 0xf01439ec in ether_output (ifp=0xf0b21818, m0=0xf052f600, dst=0xf04db2d0, rt0=0xf0b98300) at ../../net/if_ethersubr.c:388 #8 0xf0150944 in ip_output (m0=0xf052f600, opt=0x0, ro=0xf3bf792c, flags=0, imo=0x0) at ../../netinet/ip_output.c:535 #9 0xf0155079 in tcp_output (tp=0xf3bf7960) at ../../netinet/tcp_output.c:695 #10 0xf0153931 in tcp_input (m=0xf050b480, iphlen=20) at ../../netinet/tcp_input.c:1360 #11 0xf014f424 in ip_input (m=0xf050b480) at ../../netinet/ip_input.c:645 #12 0xf014f483 in ipintr () at ../../netinet/ip_input.c:672 #13 0xf01b4f91 in swi_net_next () #14 0xf012e9bd in getblk (vp=0xf3d7e240, blkno=524656, size=8192, slpflag=0, slptimeo=0) at ../../kern/vfs_bio.c:1437 #15 0xf012d211 in bread (vp=0xf3d7e240, blkno=524656, size=8192, cred=0x0, bpp=0xf01dbb60) at ../../kern/vfs_bio.c:281 #16 0xf0197590 in ffs_update (vp=0xf3d7cd00, access=0xf01dbbc8, modify=0xf01dbbc8, waitfor=0) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_inode.c:102 #17 0xf019c089 in ffs_fsync (ap=0xf01dbc04) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_vnops.c:252 #18 0xf019a46b in ffs_sync (mp=0xf0b43200, waitfor=2, cred=0xf0b1fa00, p=0xf02044c4) at vnode_if.h:499 #19 0xf01360c7 in sync (p=0xf02044c4, uap=0x0) at ../../kern/vfs_syscalls.c:527 #20 0xf01153c2 in boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:201 #21 0xf01157eb in panic (fmt=0xf01bcc5f "page fault") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:430 #22 0xf01bd86d in trap_fatal (frame=0xf01dbcf4) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:879 #23 0xf01bd300 in trap_pfault (frame=0xf01dbcf4, usermode=0) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:772 #24 0xf01bcf97 in trap (frame={tf_es = 16, tf_ds = 16, tf_edi = 204, tf_esi = 775108963, tf_ebp = -266486428, tf_isp = -266486500, tf_ebx = 859006071, tf_edx = 0, tf_ecx = -256765600, tf_eax = 209718, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 0, tf_eip = -266805367, tf_cs = 8, tf_eflags = 66070, tf_esp = -256763904, tf_ss = -263330432}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:396 #25 0xf018df89 in tulip_txput (sc=0xf0b21800, m=0xf050ba80) at machine/pmap.h:171 #26 0xf018e571 in tulip_ifstart_one (ifp=0xf0b21818) at ../../pci/if_de.c:4851 #27 0xf01439ec in ether_output (ifp=0xf0b21818, m0=0xf04de580, dst=0xf04db2d0, rt0=0xf0b98300) at ../../net/if_ethersubr.c:388 #28 0xf0150944 in ip_output (m0=0xf04de580, opt=0x0, ro=0xf3bf792c, flags=0, imo=0x0) at ../../netinet/ip_output.c:535 #29 0xf0155079 in tcp_output (tp=0xf3bf7960) at ../../netinet/tcp_output.c:695 #30 0xf0153ebc in tcp_input (m=0xf04f2a80, iphlen=20) at ../../netinet/tcp_input.c:1755 #31 0xf014f424 in ip_input (m=0xf04f2a80) at ../../netinet/ip_input.c:645 #32 0xf014f483 in ipintr () at ../../netinet/ip_input.c:672 #33 0xf01b4f91 in swi_net_next () (kgdb) up 5 #5 0xf018dfdd in tulip_txput (sc=0xf0b21800, m=0xf04ee800) at machine/pmap.h:171 171 pa = *(vm_offset_t *)vtopte(va); (kgdb) up #6 0xf018e571 in tulip_ifstart_one (ifp=0xf0b21818) at ../../pci/if_de.c:4851 4851 if ((m = tulip_txput(sc, m)) != NULL) (kgdb) up #7 0xf01439ec in ether_output (ifp=0xf0b21818, m0=0xf052f600, dst=0xf04db2d0, rt0=0xf0b98300) at ../../net/if_ethersubr.c:388 388 (*ifp->if_start)(ifp); (kgdb) quit [0:39] [divina:/usr/src/sys/compile/DIVINA] uname -a FreeBSD divina.binary.net 3.0-BETA FreeBSD 3.0-BETA #1: Sun Oct 4 23:04:37 CDT 1998 yura@divina.binary.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/DIVINA i386 [0:40] [divina:/usr/src/sys/compile/DIVINA] dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.0-BETA #1: Sun Oct 4 23:04:37 CDT 1998 yura@divina.binary.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/DIVINA Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz cost 2524 ns Timecounter "TSC" frequency 200455179 Hz cost 117 ns CPU: AMD-K6tm w/ multimedia extensions (200.46-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x562 Stepping=2 Features=0x8001bf real memory = 33554432 (32768K bytes) avail memory = 30650368 (29932K bytes) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x01 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x01 on pci0.7.0 ide_pci0: rev 0x01 on pci0.7.1 chip2: rev 0x01 int d irq 15 on pci0.7.2 chip3: rev 0x01 on pci0.7.3 de0: rev 0x22 int a irq 11 on pci0.10.0 de0: 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.2 de0: address 00:40:05:a2:c3:76 vga0: rev 0x00 int a irq 10 on pci0.11.0 Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0x80ff80ff on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): , 32-bit, multi-block-16 wd0: 2441MB (4999680 sectors), 4960 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface changing root device to wd0s1a To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 00:31:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA23844 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:31:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles140.castles.com [208.214.165.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA23822 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:31:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00870; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:35:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810050735.AAA00870@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Bruce Evans cc: dmaddox@scsn.net, mike@smith.net.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Shouldn't 'make includes' install stand.h? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 15:54:42 +1000." <199810050554.PAA28570@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 00:35:21 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >> I'm not trying to be combative here; this is not a religious issue to > >> me... The current behavior just seems to me to violate POLA. > > > >Only if you have misapprehensions about what 'make includes' does. It > >seems mostly to trip up people with such misapprehensions. > > `includes' is a private target in src/Makefile for installing [all] the > includes. It isn't, and has not been for years. It might be meant to, which is a different matter entirely. It's also broken by design (includes should live with the code they describe). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 00:44:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA25429 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:44:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA25414 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:44:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA01962; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:44:02 +1000 Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:44:02 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199810050744.RAA01962@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: Shouldn't 'make includes' install stand.h? Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, dmaddox@scsn.net Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> `includes' is a private target in src/Makefile for installing [all] the >> includes. > >It isn't, and has not been for years. It might be meant to, which is a >different matter entirely. It's also broken by design (includes should >live with the code they describe). It's whatever the Makefile experts say it is. ---------------------------- revision 1.139 date: 1997/08/21 15:43:54; author: bde; state: Exp; lines: +8 -1 Added directories in the includes target so that it installs everything that a full install would (modulo bugs in rpcsvc/Makefile). The missing things weren't used (except for mp.h from libmp), but there are relatively few of them and it's easier to be complete. ---------------------------- Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 01:05:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA27825 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:05:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA27820 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:05:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@caladan.tdx.co.uk) Received: from localhost (kpielorz@localhost) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07294 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:04:40 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:04:38 +0100 (BST) From: Karl Pielorz To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Panic with heavy diskaccess - current as of 10/04/98 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi All, I keep seeing the panic below while I'm trying to untar a 1.5Gb file on my system... I used samba to copy it accross from my PC, which would result in a similar panic about 1 out of 3 attempts... Having safely (and finally) got it accross to the 3.0 box, untarring it _always_ generates the panic at some point... The volume it's on in using Vinum... I've been testing Vinum for a few months, and it was working fine... Having said that - I can't find anything in the panic that looks like 'vinum' - but I'm not an expert ;-) I tried cvsup'ing when I got this error (latest was 11am on Sunday) - can anyone suggest anything? The panic details are below - I've heard nasty things about crashdumps at the moment - are these safe to enable now? If you need more details, most the system config is online at my website - look at http://www.tdx.com/diag Basically it's an SMP machine, no softupdates, no 'noatime' stuff either, apart from Vinum it's mostly 'standard' stuff, 256Mb RAM, twin P-Pro 200's, 3 x 2940UW's + 4 IDE drives (not running bus mastering etc.) The machines had no termination / scsi problems in the past (even under extreme duress)... Regards, Karl Panic Info: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode mp_lock = 00000002; cpuid = 0; lapic.id = 00000000 fault virtual address = 0x767265b3 fault code = supervisor write, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xfa631335 stack pointer = 0x10:0xfa5c6de8 frame pointer = 0x10:0xfa5c6df8 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 4 (syncer) interrupt mask = <- SMP: XXX kernel: type 12 trap, code=0 Stopped at 0xfa631335: incl 0x40(%eax) db> trace _end(f167afa0,0,f6674690,f6674690,80000000) at 0xfa631335 _end(f6674690,0,f6674690,fa5c6e44,f016387a) at 0xfa631107 _end(f6674690,20000234,fa5c6e50,f0162fa9,fa5c6e74) at 0xfa630ea2 _spec_strategy(fa5c6e74,fa5c6e5c,f019ba25,fa5c6e74,fa5c6e80) at _spec_strategy+0x3e _spec_vnoperate(fa5c6e74,fa5c6e80,f015014f,fa5c6e74,10) at _spec_vnoperate+0x15 _ufs_vnoperatespec(fa5c6e74) at _ufs_vnoperatespec+0x15 _bwrite(f6674690,fa5c6e98,f01547f1,fa5c6ebc,fa5c6ea4) at _bwrite+0xaf _vop_stdbwrite(fa5c6ebc,fa5c6ea4,f0162fa9,fa5c6ebc,fa5c6eb0) at _vop_stdbwrite+0xe _vop_defaultop(fa5c6ebc,fa5c6eb0,f019ba25,fa5c6ebc,fa5c6ec4) at _vop_defaultop+0x15 _spec_vnoperate(fa5c6ebc,fa5c6ec4,f0150368,fa5c6ebc,f01e6828) at _spec_vnoperate+0x15 _ufs_vnoperatespec(fa5c6ebc,f01e6828,f6674690,fa5c6ef0,f0194002) at _ufs_vnoperatespec+0x15 _bawrite(f6674690,0,0,f1720000,f6c0e000) at _bawrite+0x2c _ffs_sbupdate(f16bf600,3,0,f16bfa00,fa5b7b00) at _ffs_sbupdate+0x17e _ffs_sync(f16bfa00,3,f15e1800,fa5b7b00,f16bfa00,2) at _ffs_sync+0x292 _sync_fsync(fa5c6f88) at _sync_fsync+0x74 _sched_sync(fa5b7bf3,f01569cb,f01ed108,2000,f01b1850) at _sched_sync+0xa4 _kproc_start(f01ed108) at _kproc_start+0x32 _fork_trampoline() at _fork_trampoline+0x30 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 01:05:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA27937 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:05:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles140.castles.com [208.214.165.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA27916 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:05:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA01081; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:10:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810050810.BAA01081@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Bruce Evans cc: mike@smith.net.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, dmaddox@scsn.net Subject: Re: Shouldn't 'make includes' install stand.h? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:44:02 +1000." <199810050744.RAA01962@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 01:10:10 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >> `includes' is a private target in src/Makefile for installing [all] the > >> includes. > > > >It isn't, and has not been for years. It might be meant to, which is a > >different matter entirely. It's also broken by design (includes should > >live with the code they describe). > > It's whatever the Makefile experts say it is. It is what it is. It may be meant to be otherwise, but that's another thing altogether. 8) > ---------------------------- > revision 1.139 > date: 1997/08/21 15:43:54; author: bde; state: Exp; lines: +8 -1 > Added directories in the includes target so that it installs > everything that a full install would (modulo bugs in rpcsvc/Makefile). > The missing things weren't used (except for mp.h from libmp), but > there are relatively few of them and it's easier to be complete. > ---------------------------- 'beforeinstall' is (ab)used in more than 35 locations under /usr/src to install header files, and the above appears to be cruft to abuse this fact. (There is at least one mitigating comment which points out that there should be an 'install-headers' target.). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 01:08:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA28483 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:08:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles140.castles.com [208.214.165.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA28459 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:08:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA01115; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:13:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810050813.BAA01115@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mike Smith cc: Bruce Evans , current@FreeBSD.ORG, dmaddox@scsn.net Subject: Re: Shouldn't 'make includes' install stand.h? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 01:10:10 PDT." <199810050810.BAA01081@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 01:13:05 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > ---------------------------- > > revision 1.139 > > date: 1997/08/21 15:43:54; author: bde; state: Exp; lines: +8 -1 > > Added directories in the includes target so that it installs > > everything that a full install would (modulo bugs in rpcsvc/Makefile). > > The missing things weren't used (except for mp.h from libmp), but > > there are relatively few of them and it's easier to be complete. > > ---------------------------- > > 'beforeinstall' is (ab)used in more than 35 locations under /usr/src to > install header files, and the above appears to be cruft to abuse this > fact. (There is at least one mitigating comment which points out that > there should be an 'install-headers' target.). Perhaps I should have pointed out that I don't necessarily think this is something worth getting too stressed out over. I've added libstand to the list, since it was missing out and might cause problems for people leapfrogging forwards. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 01:30:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01503 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:30:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA01484 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:30:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@caladan.tdx.co.uk) Received: from localhost (kpielorz@localhost) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07355 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:30:21 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:30:21 +0100 (BST) From: Karl Pielorz To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Serial Console - at above 9600 baud? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi All, I've finally got my serial console working (thanks to all that helped) - the sio flags being set to '0x30' (as opposed to the 0x20 I was using) finally got it working... I can't seem to get it to run above 9600 baud though... If I use: options CONSPEED=57600 In my kernel config (with our without "'s around it) it boots, starts the serial console at 9600 - then I get a _lot_ of corruption, it almost looks as if some parts of the console IO are happening at 9600 baud, and others at 57k6... If I leave the above line out - it all works, but only at 9600 baud... Has anyone else seen this? Also once the system is booted - the console is left 'dead' - am I safe to run up a getty on this? (i.e. I presume the getty will die and ddb will take over in case of a panic?) Regards, Karl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 01:48:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03977 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:48:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA03952 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:48:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA17809; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:17:33 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id SAA28069; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:17:32 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981005181732.G27781@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:17:32 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Karl Pielorz , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Panic with heavy diskaccess - current as of 10/04/98 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Karl Pielorz on Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 09:04:38AM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 5 October 1998 at 9:04:38 +0100, Karl Pielorz wrote: > > Hi All, > > I keep seeing the panic below while I'm trying to untar a 1.5Gb file on my > system... This is a Vinum panic. Please don't send it to -current (and yes, sorry, I'm a bit behind looking at dumps...) > db> trace > _end(f167afa0,0,f6674690,f6674690,80000000) at 0xfa631335 > _end(f6674690,0,f6674690,fa5c6e44,f016387a) at 0xfa631107 > _end(f6674690,20000234,fa5c6e50,f0162fa9,fa5c6e74) at 0xfa630ea2 > _spec_strategy(fa5c6e74,fa5c6e5c,f019ba25,fa5c6e74,fa5c6e80) at See those _ends? They're pointing into Vinum. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 01:59:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA05776 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:59:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.196.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA05766 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:59:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp) Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (IDENT:H70ZqPZm4QyEwbN0Q7SbWf1u/GdyvGgf@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA20665; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:57:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.7.6+2.6Wbeta7/3.4W/zodiac-May96) with ESMTP id RAA24533; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:59:06 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199810050859.RAA24533@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: Karl Pielorz cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: Serial Console - at above 9600 baud? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:30:21 +0100." References: Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:59:00 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I can't seem to get it to run above 9600 baud though... If I use: > >options CONSPEED=57600 > >In my kernel config (with our without "'s around it) it boots, starts the >serial console at 9600 - then I get a _lot_ of corruption, it almost looks >as if some parts of the console IO are happening at 9600 baud, and others >at 57k6... > >If I leave the above line out - it all works, but only at 9600 baud... Has >anyone else seen this? You need to recompile and re-install the boot block too. Read /sys/i386/boot/biosboot/README.serial. Kazu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 02:04:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA06428 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:04:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cons.org (knight.cons.org [194.233.237.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA06391 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:04:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cracauer@cons.org) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by cons.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) id LAA11610; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:03:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19981005110317.A11593@cons.org> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:03:17 +0200 From: Martin Cracauer To: Mike Smith , Terry Lambert Cc: Martin Cracauer , chuckr@mat.net, nate@mt.sri.com, osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? References: <199810042007.NAA09600@usr08.primenet.com> <199810042054.NAA06534@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <199810042054.NAA06534@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 01:54:34PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <199810042054.NAA06534@dingo.cdrom.com>, Mike Smith wrote: > You will notice, if you had been paying attention to the list of > missing library symbols recently posted, that the interface between the > Solaris Motif library and the Solaris C library involves a not > insubstantial number of very weird symbols. It might be feasible to > implement a compatibility library, but this would, naturally, suck. I thought about this before, but the implications are very far-reaching and I don't think its doable at all. For one, such a compatiblity library put around a shared library with a different API would cause every call from another library into the alien one to go through one pointer indirection more. The performance overhead will be much more than in the system call emulation environment. Then, I don't think there is any chance to provide emulation for all the alien libc interfaces the same way we do for system calls. The libc stuff involves much more, people may use undocumented features of libc and in the solaris case you face the additional problem that it has a finer graduation of shared libs (-lnsl -lsocket...). If at all doable, I think you have to pull in all shared libraries of the alien system that are used by the target library. That would mean you have two complete libcs in one running process. At least when threading is involved, this will bomb out quickly. Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer Tel.: (private) +4940 5221829 Fax.: (private) +4940 5228536 Paper: (private) Waldstrasse 200, 22846 Norderstedt, Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 02:19:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA08226 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:19:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA08193 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:19:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@caladan.tdx.co.uk) Received: from localhost (kpielorz@localhost) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00308; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:18:34 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:18:34 +0100 (BST) From: Karl Pielorz To: Greg Lehey cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Panic with heavy diskaccess - current as of 10/04/98 In-Reply-To: <19981005183916.J27781@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Monday, 5 October 1998 at 9:04:38 +0100, Karl Pielorz wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > I keep seeing the panic below while I'm trying to untar a 1.5Gb file on my > > system... > > > Well, it's nice to have something consistent. Yes, it's very consistent - usually about 30 - 40 seconds after hitting 'enter' on the 'tar zxvf my_home_dir.tgz' ;-) > > The panic details are below - I've heard nasty things about crashdumps at > > the moment - are these safe to enable now? > > I haven't seen any problems. What have you seen? People were complaining they were overwriting volumes, and not writing to the crash device specified... :-( > No, this doesn't look like a termination problem. It would be really > nice to get a dump of it. Looks like it could be a size problem. I > did some changes in this area a while back. Which version of vinum > are you running? I'll see if I can get some crash dumps going (after I've backed up ;-) - The vinum is the one that's in the 3.0-Current source tree, I'm not too sure how 'new' this version is... Are you maintaining the version in the tree - or are the updates still on your system? (Is there anywhere in /usr/src/lkm/vinum I can find the version number?) Regards, Karl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 02:20:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA08355 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:20:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA08271 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:19:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from jarnsaxa.ifi.uio.no (2602@jarnsaxa.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.44]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id LAA19867; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:19:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by jarnsaxa.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:18:59 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Karl Denninger Cc: Christopher Nielsen , Josef Karthauser , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD3.0-BETA crash! References: <19981004123343.A19373@Denninger.Net> <19981004173129.A20257@Denninger.Net> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 05 Oct 1998 11:18:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: Karl Denninger's message of "Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:31:29 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.44/Emacs 20.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id CAA08296 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Karl Denninger writes: > On Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 02:54:30PM -0700, Christopher Nielsen wrote: > > On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Karl Denninger wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 07:00:39PM +0200, Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav wrote: > > > > To be more precise, do a proper make world with no fancy options and > > > > come back if you're still having problems. > > > I sent in a PR for the problem that prevents it from working (a bad Makefile > > > in libskey) two weeks ago AND IT HAS NOT BEEN COMMITTED. > > Why does it work for me, then? I did a cvsup around 10:00PM PDT last > No idea. I have SEVERAL TIMES done a "rm -r /usr/src;cd /usr; cvs co > src; cd src; make world" and had it blow up in EXACTLY the same place over > the last few months. You must really be trying hard. Since 3.0 went into BETA (September 15th AFAIR) I've been running make world two to three times a week. The only problems I've experienced are the 'mount /cdrom' panic and a softupdates crash. I have all sources installed, including src-crypto, src-eBones and src-secure. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 02:27:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA09334 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:27:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA09301 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:27:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@caladan.tdx.co.uk) Received: from localhost (kpielorz@localhost) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00220; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:26:30 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:26:30 +0100 (BST) From: Karl Pielorz To: Kazutaka YOKOTA cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Serial Console - at above 9600 baud? In-Reply-To: <199810050859.RAA24533@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Kazutaka YOKOTA wrote: > > >I can't seem to get it to run above 9600 baud though... If I use: > > > >options CONSPEED=57600 > > > > You need to recompile and re-install the boot block too. Read > /sys/i386/boot/biosboot/README.serial. Ugh, yeah - thanks... Looking at tit, I had made the changes to make.conf, I just hadn't installed the new boot code... :-( - Weird effect though Thanks! Karl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 02:31:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA09926 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:31:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA09836 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:31:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@florence.pavilion.net) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27506; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:30:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Message-ID: <19981005103002.C26632@pavilion.net> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:30:02 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Martin Cracauer , Greg Lehey , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD3.0-BETA crash! References: <19981001193321.C12010@pavilion.net> <19981002104659.M24146@freebie.lemis.com> <19981002143858.K17581@pavilion.net> <19981003231813.A23167@cons.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981003231813.A23167@cons.org>; from Martin Cracauer on Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 11:18:13PM +0200 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-1273-607072 Fax: +44-1273-607073 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 11:18:13PM +0200, Martin Cracauer wrote: > In <19981002143858.K17581@pavilion.net>, Josef Karthauser wrote: > > Finally :) (needed to recompile gdb in aout format for it to recognise the > > kernel) > > And how did you do that? My aout gdb's can't read a core file produced > by an aout binary on my elf system :-( # cd /usr/src/usr.bin/gdb # make depend # make OBJFORMAT=aout # ./gdb :) Joe -- Josef Karthauser Technical Manager FreeBSD: The power to serve (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 02:32:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA10093 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:32:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cons.org (knight.cons.org [194.233.237.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA10028 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:32:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cracauer@cons.org) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by cons.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) id LAA11683; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:31:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19981005113110.A11678@cons.org> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:31:10 +0200 From: Martin Cracauer To: Josef Karthauser , Martin Cracauer , Greg Lehey , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD3.0-BETA crash! References: <19981001193321.C12010@pavilion.net> <19981002104659.M24146@freebie.lemis.com> <19981002143858.K17581@pavilion.net> <19981003231813.A23167@cons.org> <19981005103002.C26632@pavilion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <19981005103002.C26632@pavilion.net>; from Josef Karthauser on Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 10:30:02AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <19981005103002.C26632@pavilion.net>, Josef Karthauser wrote: > On Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 11:18:13PM +0200, Martin Cracauer wrote: > > In <19981002143858.K17581@pavilion.net>, Josef Karthauser wrote: > > > Finally :) (needed to recompile gdb in aout format for it to recognise the > > > kernel) > > > > And how did you do that? My aout gdb's can't read a core file produced > > by an aout binary on my elf system :-( > > # cd /usr/src/usr.bin/gdb > # make depend > # make OBJFORMAT=aout > # ./gdb Already done. See my kernel back trace on the CAM problem :-) Thanks! Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer Tel.: (private) +4940 5221829 Fax.: (private) +4940 5228536 Paper: (private) Waldstrasse 200, 22846 Norderstedt, Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 02:39:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA11106 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:39:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA11085 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:39:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA17977; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:08:46 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id TAA28227; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:08:46 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981005190846.L27781@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:08:46 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Karl Pielorz Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Panic with heavy diskaccess - current as of 10/04/98 References: <19981005183916.J27781@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Karl Pielorz on Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 10:18:34AM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 5 October 1998 at 10:18:34 +0100, Karl Pielorz wrote: > > On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> On Monday, 5 October 1998 at 9:04:38 +0100, Karl Pielorz wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I keep seeing the panic below while I'm trying to untar a 1.5Gb file on my >>> system... >>> >> Well, it's nice to have something consistent. > > Yes, it's very consistent - usually about 30 - 40 seconds after hitting > 'enter' on the 'tar zxvf my_home_dir.tgz' ;-) Hmm. That does rather sound like a size problem. >>> The panic details are below - I've heard nasty things about crashdumps at >>> the moment - are these safe to enable now? >> >> I haven't seen any problems. What have you seen? > > People were complaining they were overwriting volumes, and not writing to > the crash device specified... :-( Oh. I didn't see that. >> No, this doesn't look like a termination problem. It would be really >> nice to get a dump of it. Looks like it could be a size problem. I >> did some changes in this area a while back. Which version of vinum >> are you running? > > I'll see if I can get some crash dumps going (after I've backed up ;-) - > > The vinum is the one that's in the 3.0-Current source tree, I'm not too > sure how 'new' this version is... Are you maintaining the version in the > tree - or are the updates still on your system? I'm checking in the updates as soon as I'm sure they're kosher. > (Is there anywhere in /usr/src/lkm/vinum I can find the version number?) Not any more. It's 3.0. You can look at the $Id$ strings in the sources, but if you're using -CURRENT, this shouldn't be happening. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 02:49:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA12506 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:49:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA12307 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:47:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from jarnsaxa.ifi.uio.no (2602@jarnsaxa.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.44]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id LAA25174; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:47:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by jarnsaxa.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:47:14 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Sanda Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Very strange thing happened today References: <19980930135418.A15529@compufit.at> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 05 Oct 1998 11:47:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: Alexander Sanda's message of "Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:54:18 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.44/Emacs 20.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id CAA12435 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alexander Sanda writes: > static void > list_frestruct objc_list* list) > [...] > Some_thing_ has stolen 2 characters from the function definition. Best > of all, neither the filesize nor the timestamp have been changed > (still 3521 bytes, 18 Sep 1996), _but_ 2 junk characters (0-bytes) have > been added to the end of the file. I still have a copy of the altered > file, so if somebody would be interested, I could mail him the header > file. What is the byte offset of the second 's' in 'list_frestruct'? DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 04:26:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA23202 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 04:26:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magnet.geophysik.tu-freiberg.de ([139.20.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA23197 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 04:26:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@magnet.geophysik.tu-freiberg.de) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by magnet.geophysik.tu-freiberg.de (8.9.1/8.7.3) id NAA00740 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:25:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Holm Tiffe Message-Id: <199810051125.NAA00740@magnet.geophysik.tu-freiberg.de> Subject: SIO problems since long time ago.. To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:25:00 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: freebsd@magnet.geophysik.tu-freiberg.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL26 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, first, for the commiters, there funny is a typo in sio.c from -current at line 207: >/* com device structure */ >struct com_s { > u_int id_flags; /* Copy isa device falgas */ > u_char state; /* miscellaneous flag bits */ :-) what the heck is a "falga" ? now to my problem: I have different serial boards equipped with TL16C550AN's, an AST4 Port compatible card and an normally 2S1P board all with the same chips. (I've changed a lot 16450 to this chips) These are original Texas Instruments chips. My old 486DX280 EISA board has had first the 2S1P board installed and crashed frequently on an close from the modem port (uucp or seyon) it simply froze. I've changed the board to the AST4 comatible, the problem was'nt gone. (I was thinking this was mainboard related) Now I've had upgarded the system to an ASUS P2B-LS PII/350 and the problem persists! The AST4 board was before in my home machine (dual P54 , ASUS PCI/E P54NP4E) and there was no problem at all. Could this behavior be chip related ? There is a flag in sio.c , COM_LOSESOUTINTS, can this be related to this problem ? Should I change the chips ? (uh, resoldering) Holm -- ******************************************************************************* * Holm Tiffe holm@geophysik.tu-freiberg.de * * Freiberger Strasse 24 * * 09600 Kleinschirma, Germany Microsoft is not the Answer - * * Tel.: 49 3731 74233 Microsoft is the Question, * * UUCP: 49 3731 73719 unicorn!holm and the Answer is no ! * ******************************************************************************* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 04:32:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA23820 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 04:32:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA23814 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 04:32:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (WHAT_THE_HELL_YOU_LOOKING_AT_@d60-147.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.147]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id EAA09287 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 04:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) id LAA01271 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:32:10 GMT (envelope-from obrien) Message-ID: <19981005043210.A1247@nuxi.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 04:32:10 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: WARNING, *FS_ROOT change could cause you trouble. Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-BETA Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Starting with rev. 1.107 of sys/i386/i386/autoconf.c you MUST have ``options {FFS,NFS,CD9660}_ROOT'' in your kernel config file if you want to mount a {FFS,NFS,CD9660} /. So make absolutely sure you've got at least ``options FFS_ROOT''. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 04:56:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA25449 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 04:56:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA25260; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 04:54:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25798; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:54:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id NAA05756; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:54:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19981005135410.35542@follo.net> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:54:10 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: "David E. O'Brien" , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: HEADS UP! [was Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/i386 autoconf.c] References: <199810051128.EAA02242@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199810051128.EAA02242@freefall.freebsd.org>; from David E. O'Brien on Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 04:28:27AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 04:28:27AM -0700, David E. O'Brien wrote: > obrien 1998/10/05 04:28:27 PDT > > Modified files: > sys/i386/i386 autoconf.c > Log: > Now require *FS_ROOT to enable the ability to mount a *FS /. > Previously one could config(8) a kernel that would not link. > > Revision Changes Path > 1.107 +16 -6 src/sys/i386/i386/autoconf.c WARNING! WARNING! If your kernel config file is from before February 1998, you must add in the appropriate 'options xFS_ROOT' to be able to mount your root. Ie, if you don't have 'options FFS_ROOT' in your kernel config, you most likely want to add it. You've been covered by compatibility code up to now; that code is now gone. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 05:46:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA01305 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 05:46:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magnet.geophysik.tu-freiberg.de (magnet.geophysik.tu-freiberg.de [139.20.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA01295 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 05:46:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@magnet.geophysik.tu-freiberg.de) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by magnet.geophysik.tu-freiberg.de (8.9.1/8.7.3) id OAA01944; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:44:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Holm Tiffe Message-Id: <199810051244.OAA01944@magnet.geophysik.tu-freiberg.de> Subject: Re: SIO problems since long time ago.. In-Reply-To: <199810051215.WAA16784@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from Bruce Evans at "Oct 5, 98 10:15:55 pm" To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:44:56 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: freebsd@magnet.geophysik.tu-freiberg.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL26 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >first, for the commiters, there funny is a typo in sio.c from ( <-----> ) > >-current at line 207: > > > >>/* com device structure */ > >>struct com_s { > >> u_int id_flags; /* Copy isa device falgas */ > >> u_char state; /* miscellaneous flag bits */ > > > >:-) what the heck is a "falga" ? > > It's one of the bugs committed in rev.1.194. The bugs are harmless if > you don't use any of the new falgas. Hmm, :-) I've never used falgas, should I ? > [..] > > If the whole system freezes then it's most likely an AST4 board problem > (too much soldering? :-). I think, I CAN work with an soldering Iron !!! :-) (Have you ever soldered an entire WORKING computer by your self ?) (was an CP/M machine) > If only the ports freeze then it might be > a chip or cable or configuration problem. The output routine will > wait forever if the timeout (drainwait in comcontrol(8)) is 0 and the > cable is connected to something with RTS unasserted, or if there are > certain hardware bugs. This is easy to work around by setting drainwait. The entire machine is freezing, there is no response even on the network ports, and I've never had such problems with THIS card on my home machine, the same problem exists on the 2S1P card, where the sio is socketed. But it is the same type of sio. The cable is a standard modem type, 25 pins one to one connected, and the modem a standard rockwell based one. Holm -- ******************************************************************************* * Holm Tiffe holm@geophysik.tu-freiberg.de * * Freiberger Strasse 24 * * 09600 Kleinschirma, Germany Microsoft is not the Answer - * * Tel.: 49 3731 74233 Microsoft is the Question, * * UUCP: 49 3731 73719 unicorn!holm and the Answer is no ! * ******************************************************************************* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 06:02:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA02375 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:02:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni-sb.de (uni-sb.de [134.96.252.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA02358 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:02:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netchild@wurzelausix.CS.Uni-SB.DE) Received: from cs.uni-sb.de (cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.252.31]) by uni-sb.de (8.9.0/1998052000) with ESMTP id PAA13641; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:00:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (FSag4zzkpSJDnGQOfjajqbng7YbC8ZPx@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.247.1]) by cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.0/1998060300) with ESMTP id PAA23243; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:00:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (IDENT:YokL7D2dELJRK7gBEpceAqZCCAOJOT7N@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.1/wjp/19980821) with ESMTP id PAA19534; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:00:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199810051300.PAA19534@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:00:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: 19981002-BETA Apache/Mouse problems To: jon@minotaur.com cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <000301bdefe6$86c29ea0$0400000a@roaming> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 4 Oct, Jon E. Mitchiner wrote: > The next problem I had was installing the ports directory for Apache13 -- I > understand that the ports dir haven't been completely fixed or working yet, > but I was wondering if anyone could shed any light on this. > > I tried compiling Apache13 which seemed to work well, but when I attempted > to run it, I ran into some module problems when trying > /usr/local/sbin/apachectl start -- I get the following error: > > Syntax error on line 26 of /usr/local/etc/apache/httpd.conf: > Cannot load /usr/local/libexec/apache/mod_mime_magic.so into server: > /usr/local/libexec/apache/mod_mime_magic.so: Undefined symbol > "ap_make_sub_pool" Hi, I´ve installed yesterday apache13-php3 from the ports. Last cvsup Sunday in the evening (I think). Removing "--enable-shared"... works, at least I´m able to connect to the server, request /server-info, /server-status and lokk at the output of a PHP3 script. Note: every Apache modul is linked statically and you haven´t the possibility to load dynamicaly any Apache module. Bye, Alexander. -- 2^{F_{h+1}-1} z^{F_{h+2}-1} + 2^{F_{h+1}-2} L_{h-1} z^{F_{h+2}} + complicated terms + 2^{h-1} z^{2^h - 2} + z^{2^h - 1} Donald E. Knuth, "The Art of Computer Programming" http://fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de/~netchild netchild@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 06:08:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA03015 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:08:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA03010 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:08:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) id GAA09618; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19981005060822.B9542@nuxi.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:08:22 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ELF kernel? Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <19981003095236.D2176@freebie.lemis.com> <199810030033.RAA02872@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199810030033.RAA02872@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 05:33:01PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > They become KLD modules. How does one expand this? Kernel Loadable ??Device?? -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 06:30:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA05049 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:30:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA04768; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:28:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA21113; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:27:48 +1000 Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:27:48 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199810051327.XAA21113@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, eivind@yes.no, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! [was Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/i386 autoconf.c] Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> Modified files: >> sys/i386/i386 autoconf.c >> Log: >> Now require *FS_ROOT to enable the ability to mount a *FS /. >> Previously one could config(8) a kernel that would not link. >> >> Revision Changes Path >> 1.107 +16 -6 src/sys/i386/i386/autoconf.c > >WARNING! WARNING! > >If your kernel config file is from before February 1998, you must add >in the appropriate 'options xFS_ROOT' to be able to mount your root. >Ie, if you don't have 'options FFS_ROOT' in your kernel config, you >most likely want to add it. You've been covered by compatibility code >up to now; that code is now gone. This change should be backed out. It defeats the point of the xFS_ROOT options, which is to smooth the move of the xFS options to opt_dontuse.h - a development operation which should be transparent to users, if not developers. For full transparency, the addition of the xFS_ROOT options should have been backed out, since these options will go away when vfs's export their root-mounting capabilities properly. Now we are even further from moving the xFS options - +16 -6 is for even more, even uglier, ifdefs of them. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 06:45:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07079 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:45:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.id.net (mail.id.net [199.125.1.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA07053; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:45:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rls@mail.id.net) Received: from server.id.net (server.id.net [199.125.2.20]) by mail.id.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02779; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:46:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Shady Received: (from rls@localhost) by server.id.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27803; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:44:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rls@mail.id.net) Message-Id: <199810051344.JAA27803@server.id.net> Subject: * Promise FastTrak Controller * To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:44:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Okie doke.. I've got a question for everyone.. I've recently purchase two Promise FastTrak controllers and 8 13.6 Gigabyte hard drives that I need to get to work in our new FreeBSD server. I've gotten as far as installation 3.0-19981003-BETA, configuring pnp in the kernel, and getting it to notice the two drives (independantly) that I currently have plugged into the controller. In this scenario, theoretically, I could use CCD to RAID stripe the drives, but that seems to defeat the purpose of hardware RAID. Please respond ASAP, our existing server (32GB) is out of space.. :( P.S. Please CC this to rls@mail.id.net as I am not on the mailing lists anymore (I get too much traffic as it is..) -- Rob === _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Innovative Data Services, Inc. Serving South-Eastern Michigan Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services Voice: (248)855-2118 / Fax: (248)855-0696 / Web: http://www.id.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 06:57:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA08952 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:57:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shadow.worldbank.org (shadow.worldbank.org [138.220.104.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA08944 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:57:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adhir@worldbank.org) Received: from localhost (adhir@localhost) by shadow.worldbank.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA25152; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:54:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from adhir@worldbank.org) X-Authentication-Warning: shadow.worldbank.org: adhir owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:54:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Alok K. Dhir" To: Nate Williams cc: Terry Lambert , Mike Smith , eivind@yes.no, alk@pobox.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: something is leaking In-Reply-To: <877560383C6DB8BA85256694001F7E62.001DC86485256694@worldbank.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Nate Williams wrote: > > I can guarantee Netscape won't grow out of all proportion if you run > > it on a machine other than the machine where the display is running, > > since I and a number of collegues have been doing it this way for a > > year or more without the crashes that everyone complains about. > > Really? Guarantee? What kind of reward do I get if your guarantee > fails? > > (The box *running* Netscape (3.04, the latest) is running FreeBSD 2.1.7, > and the box *displaying* it is running 2.2-stable, and netscape gets > *way* out of control all the time, and must be restarted on a weekly > basis. > > What do I win? :) You don't win anything :-). Netscape 3.04 is not the latest. Netscape 4.06 (and 4.5pr2) are the latest... Al To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 07:03:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA09970 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:03:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09964; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:03:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA11211; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810051402.HAA11211@implode.root.com> To: Eivind Eklund cc: "David E. O'Brien" , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! [was Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/i386 autoconf.c] In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 13:54:10 +0200." <19981005135410.35542@follo.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 07:02:44 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 04:28:27AM -0700, David E. O'Brien wrote: >> obrien 1998/10/05 04:28:27 PDT >> >> Modified files: >> sys/i386/i386 autoconf.c >> Log: >> Now require *FS_ROOT to enable the ability to mount a *FS /. >> Previously one could config(8) a kernel that would not link. >> >> Revision Changes Path >> 1.107 +16 -6 src/sys/i386/i386/autoconf.c > >WARNING! WARNING! > >If your kernel config file is from before February 1998, you must add >in the appropriate 'options xFS_ROOT' to be able to mount your root. >Ie, if you don't have 'options FFS_ROOT' in your kernel config, you >most likely want to add it. You've been covered by compatibility code >up to now; that code is now gone. This is an improvement? It doesn't sound like it to me. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 07:04:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10210 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:04:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from second.dialup.access.net (lsmarso.dialup.access.net [166.84.254.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA10192 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:04:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from larry@marso.com) Received: (from larry@localhost) by second.dialup.access.net (8.9.1/8.8.8) id KAA01643 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:02:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from larry) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:02:29 -0400 From: "Larry S. Marso" To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: odd /stand directory Message-ID: <19981005100229.D815@marso.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This has happened on two machines. One an August 3.0-SNAP machine, another a recent 3.0-elf compile. The /stand directory's contents morph into machine-killing bloated garbage. For example: > ls -l /stand -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 -sh -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 bad144 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1030 Aug 4 07:06 boot.help -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 boot_crunch -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 cpio drwx------ 2 root wheel 512 Oct 5 06:52 etc -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 find -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 fsck -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 ft -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 gunzip -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 gzip drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 1024 Oct 5 06:52 help -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 ifconfig -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 mount_nfs -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 newfs -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 ppp -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 pwd -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 route -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 sh -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 slattach -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 454 Aug 4 07:11 symbols -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 sysinstall -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 zcat -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 -sh -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 bad144 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1030 Aug 4 07:06 boot.help -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 boot_crunch -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 cpio drwx------ 2 root wheel 512 Oct 5 06:52 etc -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 find -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 fsck -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 ft -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 gunzip -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 gzip drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 1024 Oct 5 06:52 help -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 ifconfig -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 mount_nfs -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 newfs -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 ppp -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 pwd -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 route -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 sh -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 slattach -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 454 Aug 4 07:11 symbols -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 sysinstall -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 zcat Best regards -- Larry S. Marso larry@marso.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 07:09:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10865 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:09:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA10851 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:09:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id QAA09865; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:05:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from semyam.dinoco.de (semyam.dinoco.de [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04193; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:27:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199810051227.OAA04193@semyam.dinoco.de> To: Tom Jackson cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, seggers@semyam.dinoco.de Subject: /boot/boot.conf (was: Re: CRUSH after recompile kernel... ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 17:13:57 CDT." <19981004171357.A318@TOJ.org> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 14:27:11 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > '/boot/loader' in it. I don't even know what the /boot/boot.conf is used for > and there should not be a /boot.conf. Will keep fiddling with it, thanks for /boot/boot.conf is a script where you can put commands for the new boot loader. When you boot sometime you will get the message from the new boot loader which tells you it will boot the kernel in 10 seconds unless you press enter (boots immediately) or any other key (which puts you in a command line interpreter). I put "autoboot 5" and "set no_autoboot=1" in the configuration file to shorten this waiting for keypresses a little bit. The seems to be no man page about this at present, though. I just read the source instead. This command line interpreter can take commands which seem to be intended for loading modules into the kernel and adjusting some settings. Not that usefull right now in comparision to what we had already with the exception of the module loading and ELF but enables one to more easily add new things at this point in the boot process and removes the size limit we had previously. If you want 100 kernel formats you just add them the same way a.out and ELF are in there. One could add some diagnostics software there, too. Some people might like a nice logo appearing during the boot process. Just depends on what one needs and not space limits as far as I understand it. Stefan. -- Stefan Eggers Lu4 yao2 zhi1 ma3 li4, Max-Slevogt-Str. 1 ri4 jiu3 jian4 ren2 xin1. 51109 Koeln Federal Republic of Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 07:32:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA14417 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:32:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA14401; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:32:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA28589; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:32:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id QAA06309; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:32:03 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19981005163203.14688@follo.net> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:32:03 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: dg@root.com, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! [was Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/i386 autoconf.c] References: <19981005135410.35542@follo.net> <199810051402.HAA11211@implode.root.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199810051402.HAA11211@implode.root.com>; from David Greenman on Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 07:02:44AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 07:02:44AM -0700, David Greenman wrote: > >On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 04:28:27AM -0700, David E. O'Brien wrote: > >> obrien 1998/10/05 04:28:27 PDT > >> > >> Modified files: > >> sys/i386/i386 autoconf.c > >> Log: > >> Now require *FS_ROOT to enable the ability to mount a *FS /. > >> Previously one could config(8) a kernel that would not link. > >> > >> Revision Changes Path > >> 1.107 +16 -6 src/sys/i386/i386/autoconf.c > > > >WARNING! WARNING! > > > >If your kernel config file is from before February 1998, you must add > >in the appropriate 'options xFS_ROOT' to be able to mount your root. > >Ie, if you don't have 'options FFS_ROOT' in your kernel config, you > >most likely want to add it. You've been covered by compatibility code > >up to now; that code is now gone. > > This is an improvement? It doesn't sound like it to me. Not to me, either - I did the initial introduction of the xFS_BOOT split for code cleanliness reasons, but was not planning to fully activate it until after 3.0 was out (giving one release of compatibility time - anybody that has upgraded through two release cycles ought to be proficient to do a kernel config file merge). My vote is for keeping the #error for the time being (to give clear errors about what is wrong as long as we can), but going back to compatibility mode (ie, "options FFS" alone makes it possible to boot). To push users towards getting their config files right, we could use a patch like this (again 1.106, to include all the changes under discussion): Index: autoconf.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/i386/autoconf.c,v retrieving revision 1.106 diff -u -r1.106 autoconf.c --- autoconf.c 1998/09/15 10:03:42 1.106 +++ autoconf.c 1998/10/05 14:30:16 @@ -101,6 +101,16 @@ #include +#if defined( FFS_ROOT ) && !defined( FFS ) +#error ``options FFS_ROOT'' requires ``options FFS'' +#endif +#if defined( NFS_ROOT ) && !defined( NFS ) +#error ``options NFS_ROOT'' requires ``options NFS'' +#endif +#if defined( CD9660_ROOT ) && !defined( CD9660 ) +#error ``options CD9660_ROOT'' requires ``options CD9660'' +#endif + static void configure __P((void *)); SYSINIT(configure, SI_SUB_CONFIGURE, SI_ORDER_FIRST, configure, NULL) @@ -109,7 +119,7 @@ static int setdumpdev __P((dev_t dev)); static void setroot __P((void)); -#ifdef CD9660 +#if defined(CD9660) || defined(CD9660_ROOT) #include #include @@ -312,6 +322,10 @@ */ #if defined(CD9660) || defined(CD9660_ROOT) if ((boothowto & RB_CDROM)) { +#if !defined(CD9660_ROOT) + printf("Trying CD9660 as a compatibility root.\n" + "*** Add \"options CD9660_ROOT\" to your config! ***\n"); +#endif if (bootverbose) printf("Considering CD-ROM root f/s.\n"); /* NB: find_cdrom_root() sets rootdev if successful. */ @@ -349,6 +363,10 @@ #endif /* BOOTP_NFSROOT */ #if defined(NFS) || defined(NFS_ROOT) if (!mountrootfsname && nfs_diskless_valid) { +#if !defined(NFS_ROOT) + printf("Trying NFS as a compatibility root.\n" + "*** Add \"options NFS_ROOT\" to your config! ***\n"); +#endif if (bootverbose) printf("Considering NFS root f/s.\n"); mountrootfsname = "nfs"; @@ -357,6 +375,10 @@ #if defined(FFS) || defined(FFS_ROOT) if (!mountrootfsname) { +#if !defined(FFS_ROOT) + printf("Trying FFS as a compatibility root.\n" + "*** Add \"options FFS_ROOT\" to your config! ***\n"); +#endif mountrootfsname = "ufs"; if (bootverbose) printf("Considering FFS root f/s.\n"); Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 07:33:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA14517 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:33:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skraldespand.demos.su (skraldespand.demos.su [194.87.5.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA14433 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:32:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mishania@skraldespand.demos.su) Received: by skraldespand.demos.su id SAA02733; (8.8.8/D) Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:31:42 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <19981005183142.59994@demos.su> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:31:42 +0400 From: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" To: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current panics.. References: <19981001185633.24795@demos.su> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <19981001185633.24795@demos.su>; from "Mikhail A. Sokolov" on Thu, Oct 01, 1998 at 06:56:33PM +0400 Organization: Demos Company, Ltd., Moscow, Russian Federation. X-Point-of-View: Gravity is myth, - the earth sucks. X-Useless-Header: Look ma! It's a # sign! Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It comes out (once again, emprecially) that this is somehow caused by NMBCLUSTERS being >12288. Strange, since I recall wcarchive has it set to 1024*48 or something, right? On Thu, Oct 01, 1998 at 06:56:33PM +0400, Mikhail A. Sokolov wrote: # Hello, # # here I am, stuck to fail to define what's going on, or, in other way, # how come 256Mb RAM'ed machine with 600Mb of swap dies when I issue something # as harmless like make in some of the ports or find . -name "*" | ls or # something that will use at least some more mem than 1,5Mb (that's empricall # figure): # # FreeBSD Z.demos.su 3.0-BETA FreeBSD 3.0-BETA #2: Wed Sep 30 19:31:37 MSD 1998 mishania@z.demos.su:/mnt/arc/src/sys/compile/Z i386 # # {z}/mish# gdb -k kernel.1 vmcore.1 # IdlePTD 261000 # current pcb at 22cc64 # panic: pipeinit: cannot allocate pipe -- out of kvm -- code = 3 # #0 0xf012afa3 in boot () # (kgdb) where # #0 0xf012afa3 in boot () # #1 0xf012b326 in panic () # #2 0xf0134e0b in pipespace () # #3 0xf0135a46 in pipe_write () # #4 0xf0133cf6 in write () # #5 0xf01de88b in syscall () # #6 0xf01cdd7c in Xint0x80_syscall () # #7 0x280b5dc5 in ?? () # #8 0x280b7c41 in ?? () # #9 0x280b5caf in ?? () # #10 0x280b8076 in ?? () # #11 0x8048914 in ?? () # #12 0x80484a5 in ?? () # (kgdb) # # And another one (same box), which is a bit older (some 1998-09-18, I recall): # # {z}/mnt/pub/mish# gdb -k kernel.0 vmcore.0 # IdlePTD 253000 # current pcb at 21e100 # panic: page fault # #0 0xf0111fef in boot () # (kgdb) where # #0 0xf0111fef in boot () # #1 0xf011230e in panic () # #2 0xf01cbb8b in trap_fatal () # #3 0xf01cb5a4 in trap_pfault () # #4 0xf01cb23b in trap () # #5 0xf01c794d in pmap_qenter () # #6 0xf011c17c in pipe_build_write_buffer () # #7 0xf011c35f in pipe_direct_write () # #8 0xf011c7a6 in pipe_write () # #9 0xf011a9d6 in write () # #10 0xf01cbe6b in syscall () # #11 0xf01bb37c in Xint0x80_syscall () # #12 0x804e2a2 in ?? () # #13 0x804d5a7 in ?? () # #14 0x804decd in ?? () # #15 0x804dfce in ?? () # #16 0x804e034 in ?? () # #17 0x804c7c4 in ?? () # #18 0x8048e5f in ?? () # #19 0x8048825 in ?? () # #20 0x80480c9 in ?? () # (kgdb) # # # That will hardly help, though here it is: # # {lykke}/var/crash# more /sys/i386/conf/Z # machine "i386" # cpu "I686_CPU" # ident Z # maxusers 512 # # options INET #InterNETworking # options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem # options NFS # options MFS # options "COMPAT_43" # options PROCFS #Process filesystem # options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console # options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor # options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor # #options DEVFS #devices filesystem # #options SLICE # options UNION # #options SOFTUPDATES # # # # # Create a SMP capable kernel (mandatory options): # options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel # options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O # # # Optional, these are the defaults: # options NCPU=2 # number of CPUs # options NBUS=4 # number of busses # options NAPIC=1 # number of IO APICs # options NINTR=24 # number of INTs # # # # options DIAGNOSTIC # # # # # PERFMON causes the driver for Pentium/Pentium Pro performance counters # # to be compiled. See perfmon(4) for more information. # # #options PERFMON # # config kernel root on wd0 # # controller isa0 # controller pci0 # # controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr # disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 # controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 vector wdintr # # options ATAPI #Enable ATAPI support for IDE bus # options ATAPI_STATIC #Don't do it as an LKM # device wcd0 # device cd0 #IDE CD-ROM # # controller ahc0 # controller scbus0 # device da0 # device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr # device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" flags 0x1 irq 13 vector npxintr # device psm0 at isa? disable port "IO_KBD" conflicts tty irq 12 vecto # r psmintr # device fxp0 # pseudo-device loop # pseudo-device ether # pseudo-device pty 256 # pseudo-device ccd 4 # pseudo-device snp 3 # pseudo-device bpfilter 16 # # #controller dpt0 # # # DPT options # # options DPT_VERIFY_HINTR # #options DPT_RESTRICTED_FREELIST # #options DPT_TRACK_CCB_STATES # #options DPT_MEASURE_PERFORMANCE # #options DPT_FREELIST_IS_STACK # #options DPT_HANDLE_TIMEOUTS # #options DPT_TIMEOUT_FACTOR=4 # #options DPT_INTR_DELAY=200 # Some motherboards need that # #options DPT_LOST_IRQ # # DEBUG! # # options KTRACE # # options SYSVSHM # options SYSVSEM # options SYSVMSG # # #options IPFIREWALL #firewall # #options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE #print information about # # dropped packets # #options "IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=100" #limit verbosity # #options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT #allow everything by default # #options IPDIVERT #divert sockets # # options INCLUDE_CONFIG_FILE # options "NMBCLUSTERS=24576" # options COMPAT_LINUX # # # Thanks in advance, # -- # -mishania -- -mishania To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 08:19:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22411 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:19:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bsd.mbp.ee (bsd.mbp.ee [194.204.12.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA22406 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:19:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mauri@mbp.ee) Received: from nw1.mbp.ee (nw1.mbp.ee [194.204.12.68]) by bsd.mbp.ee (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA16192 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:19:08 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from mauri@mbp.ee) Message-Id: <199810051519.SAA16192@bsd.mbp.ee> Received: from SERVER/SpoolDir by nw1.mbp.ee (Mercury 1.43); 5 Oct 98 18:19:08 +0300 Received: from SpoolDir by SERVER (Mercury 1.43); 5 Oct 98 18:19:08 +0300 From: "Lauri Laupmaa" Organization: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ripeva_Kirjastuse_AS?= To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:18:55 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: ELF current & mysqld X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id IAA22407 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi After converting to elf I have problems connecting to aout mysql daemon...syslog says: pid 208 (mysqld), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) also I cannot build ELF mysql port, because it is marked as broken. How could one circumvent this ? ______________ Lauri Laupmaa Äripäev mauri@mbp.ee Ph. +372 66 70 369 +372 50 13 369 Fx. +372 66 70 165 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 08:27:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23980 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:27:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23960 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:26:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12441; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810051526.IAA12441@implode.root.com> To: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current panics.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 18:31:42 +0400." <19981005183142.59994@demos.su> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 08:26:04 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >It comes out (once again, emprecially) that this is somehow caused >by NMBCLUSTERS being >12288. Strange, since I recall wcarchive has it set to >1024*48 or something, right? Wcarchive does NOT run a standard kernel. It has various tweaks, such as greatly expanded kernel virtual address space, which are specific to that machine and not appropriate for 99.999% of FreeBSD users. NMBCLUSTERS on wcarchive is currently set to 80000, but will need to be doubled again to 160000 before we can support 10000 concurrent users. The VM is evenly split for 2GB for user processes and 2GB for the kernel (contrast that with standard FreeBSD which is 3.75GB user and .25GB kernel). -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 08:55:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA28359 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:55:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Genesis.Denninger.Net (kdhome-2.pr.mcs.net [205.164.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA28342 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:54:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karl@Genesis.Denninger.Net) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Genesis.Denninger.Net (8.9.1/8.8.2) id KAA14663; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:54:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19981005105424.B14649@Denninger.Net> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:54:24 -0500 From: Karl Denninger To: Stefan Eggers , Tom Jackson Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /boot/boot.conf (was: Re: CRUSH after recompile kernel... ) References: <19981004171357.A318@TOJ.org> <199810051227.OAA04193@semyam.dinoco.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199810051227.OAA04193@semyam.dinoco.de>; from Stefan Eggers on Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 02:27:11PM +0200 Organization: Karl's Sushi and Packet Smashers X-Die-Spammers: Spammers will be LARTed and the remains fed to my cat Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, how do you enable support for this? I rebuilt under ELF, and it installed the legacy bootstrap. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) http://www.mcs.net/~karl I ain't even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization. On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 02:27:11PM +0200, Stefan Eggers wrote: > > '/boot/loader' in it. I don't even know what the /boot/boot.conf is used for > > and there should not be a /boot.conf. Will keep fiddling with it, thanks for > > /boot/boot.conf is a script where you can put commands for the new > boot loader. When you boot sometime you will get the message from the > new boot loader which tells you it will boot the kernel in 10 seconds > unless you press enter (boots immediately) or any other key (which > puts you in a command line interpreter). I put "autoboot 5" and "set > no_autoboot=1" in the configuration file to shorten this waiting for > keypresses a little bit. The seems to be no man page about this at > present, though. I just read the source instead. > > This command line interpreter can take commands which seem to be > intended for loading modules into the kernel and adjusting some > settings. Not that usefull right now in comparision to what we had > already with the exception of the module loading and ELF but enables > one to more easily add new things at this point in the boot process > and removes the size limit we had previously. > > If you want 100 kernel formats you just add them the same way a.out > and ELF are in there. One could add some diagnostics software there, > too. Some people might like a nice logo appearing during the boot > process. Just depends on what one needs and not space limits as far > as I understand it. > > Stefan. > -- > Stefan Eggers Lu4 yao2 zhi1 ma3 li4, > Max-Slevogt-Str. 1 ri4 jiu3 jian4 ren2 xin1. > 51109 Koeln > Federal Republic of Germany > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 08:59:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA29051 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:59:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles140.castles.com [208.214.165.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA29028 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:59:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03357; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:04:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810051604.JAA03357@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Larry S. Marso" cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: odd /stand directory In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:02:29 EDT." <19981005100229.D815@marso.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:04:28 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > This has happened on two machines. One an August 3.0-SNAP machine, another > a recent 3.0-elf compile. The /stand directory's contents morph into > machine-killing bloated garbage. For example: > > > ls -l /stand Nothing wrong with this. The world build doesn't touch /stand. Try adding '-b' to the ls flags and see if you can work out what's going on. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 09:04:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29880 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:04:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29875 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:04:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA07831; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:03:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA03805; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:03:49 -0600 Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:03:49 -0600 Message-Id: <199810051603.KAA03805@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Alok K. Dhir" Cc: Nate Williams , Terry Lambert , Mike Smith , eivind@yes.no, alk@pobox.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: something is leaking In-Reply-To: References: <877560383C6DB8BA85256694001F7E62.001DC86485256694@worldbank.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > I can guarantee Netscape won't grow out of all proportion if you run > > > it on a machine other than the machine where the display is running, > > > since I and a number of collegues have been doing it this way for a > > > year or more without the crashes that everyone complains about. > > > > Really? Guarantee? What kind of reward do I get if your guarantee > > fails? > > > > (The box *running* Netscape (3.04, the latest) is running FreeBSD 2.1.7, > > and the box *displaying* it is running 2.2-stable, and netscape gets > > *way* out of control all the time, and must be restarted on a weekly > > basis. > > > > What do I win? :) > > You don't win anything :-). Netscape 3.04 is not the latest. Netscape > 4.06 (and 4.5pr2) are the latest... Yes, and they leak 'more' than my version. :) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 09:05:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29993 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:05:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zarquon.netasset.com (zarquon.netasset.com [207.126.65.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29985 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:05:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rik@netasset.com) Received: from lazlar.netasset.com (lazlar.netasset.com [207.126.65.43]) by zarquon.netasset.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA20335; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:04:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Rik Schneider To: "Larry S. Marso" cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: odd /stand directory In-Reply-To: <19981005100229.D815@marso.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What you are seeing is a single file with 19 links. If you want to make sure of that you can run du -k (as a not root user) or ls -i on the /stand directory. On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Larry S. Marso wrote: > This has happened on two machines. One an August 3.0-SNAP machine, another > a recent 3.0-elf compile. The /stand directory's contents morph into > machine-killing bloated garbage. For example: > > > ls -l /stand > > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 -sh > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 bad144 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1030 Aug 4 07:06 boot.help > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 boot_crunch > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 cpio > drwx------ 2 root wheel 512 Oct 5 06:52 etc > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 find > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 fsck > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 ft > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 gunzip > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 gzip > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 1024 Oct 5 06:52 help > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 ifconfig > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 mount_nfs > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 newfs > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 ppp > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 pwd > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 route > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 sh > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 slattach > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 454 Aug 4 07:11 symbols > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 sysinstall > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 zcat > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 -sh > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 bad144 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1030 Aug 4 07:06 boot.help > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 boot_crunch > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 cpio > drwx------ 2 root wheel 512 Oct 5 06:52 etc > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 find > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 fsck > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 ft > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 gunzip > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 gzip > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 1024 Oct 5 06:52 help > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 ifconfig > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 mount_nfs > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 newfs > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 ppp > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 pwd > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 route > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 sh > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 slattach > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 454 Aug 4 07:11 symbols > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 sysinstall > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 zcat > > > Best regards > -- > Larry S. Marso > larry@marso.com > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > Rik Schneider Unix Systems Administrator Net Asset LLC 1315 Van Ness Ave Suite 103 Fresno CA 93721 (209) 490-4000 -- "There was a boy called Eustace Clarence Scrubb, and he almost deserved it." -- C. S. Lewis, The Chronicles of Narnia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 09:11:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01040 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:11:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skraldespand.demos.su (skraldespand.demos.su [194.87.5.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01035 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:11:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mishania@skraldespand.demos.su) Received: by skraldespand.demos.su id UAA06450; (8.8.8/D) Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:10:18 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <19981005201017.53803@demos.su> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:10:17 +0400 From: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" To: dg@root.com Cc: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current panics.. References: <19981005183142.59994@demos.su> <199810051526.IAA12441@implode.root.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <199810051526.IAA12441@implode.root.com>; from David Greenman on Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 08:26:04AM -0700 Organization: Demos Company, Ltd., Moscow, Russian Federation. X-Point-of-View: Gravity is myth, - the earth sucks. X-Useless-Header: Look ma! It's a # sign! Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 08:26:04AM -0700, David Greenman wrote: # >It comes out (once again, emprecially) that this is somehow caused # >by NMBCLUSTERS being >12288. Strange, since I recall wcarchive has it set to # >1024*48 or something, right? # # Wcarchive does NOT run a standard kernel. It has various tweaks, such as # greatly expanded kernel virtual address space, which are specific to that # machine and not appropriate for 99.999% of FreeBSD users. NMBCLUSTERS on # wcarchive is currently set to 80000, but will need to be doubled again to # 160000 before we can support 10000 concurrent users. The VM is evenly split # for 2GB for user processes and 2GB for the kernel (contrast that with # standard FreeBSD which is 3.75GB user and .25GB kernel). Could it be an option then, since it looks like we, the 0.001% of FreeBSD users seem to exist. # -DG # # David Greenman # Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project -- -mishania To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 09:12:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01176 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:12:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01105; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:11:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA29705; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:11:24 +1000 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:11:24 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199810051611.CAA29705@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: dg@root.com, eivind@yes.no, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! [was Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/i386 autoconf.c] Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >My vote is for keeping the #error for the time being (to give clear >errors about what is wrong as long as we can), but going back to >compatibility mode (ie, "options FFS" alone makes it possible to >boot). To push users towards getting their config files right, we >could use a patch like this (again 1.106, to include all the changes >under discussion): "right" config files wouldn't have "options FFS_ROOT"; forcing that just exports configuration warts. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 09:31:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03999 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:31:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03982 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:31:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@florence.pavilion.net) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10734; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:26:48 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Message-ID: <19981005172647.H26632@pavilion.net> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:26:47 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: grog@lemis.com, FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD3.0-BETA crash! References: <19981003152154.B24478@pavilion.net> <199810031719.LAA13488@panzer.plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199810031719.LAA13488@panzer.plutotech.com>; from Kenneth D. Merry on Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 11:19:11AM -0600 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-1273-607072 Fax: +44-1273-607073 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 11:19:11AM -0600, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > Josef Karthauser wrote... > > That isn't what caused your machine to panic. > > Those are informational messages from the devstat code. Basically they > indicate that devstat support isn't correctly done in one of the > drivers in your system. > > Can you send dmesg output from your machine? (one that shows your > hardware, not all the devstat messages...) > > Also, what devices were you using when those messages popped up? It could > be that you're using a "standard" driver, but that devstat transactions > are getting completed too often in the error case. Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.0-BETA #7: Sat Oct 3 16:23:03 BST 1998 joe@gandalf.systems.pavilion.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/GANDALF Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz cost 2173 ns Timecounter "TSC" frequency 200455445 Hz cost 124 ns CPU: Pentium/P54C (200.46-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping=12 Features=0x1bf real memory = 134217728 (131072K bytes) avail memory = 128466944 (125456K bytes) DEVFS: ready for devices Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x03 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x01 on pci0.7.0 ide_pci0: rev 0x00 on pci0.7.1 de0: rev 0x11 int a irq 11 on pci0.10.0 de0: SMC 21041 [10Mb/s] pass 1.1 de0: address 00:00:c0:29:10:f2 vga0: rev 0x00 int a irq 10 on pci0.11.0 Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0xa0ffa0ff on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): , DMA, 32-bit, multi-block-16 wd0: 3098MB (6346368 sectors), 6296 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 flags 0xa0ffa0ff on isa wdc1: unit 0 (wd2): , DMA, 32-bit, multi-block-16 wd2: 2060MB (4219488 sectors), 4186 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wdc1: unit 1 (atapi): , removable, ovlap, dma, iordis wcd0: 2066Kb/sec, 128Kb cache, audio play, 256 volume levels, ejectable tray wcd0: 120mm audio disc loaded, unlocked npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface sb0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa snd0: sbxvi0 at ? drq 5 on isa snd0: Device dsp0: name slot allocation failed (Errno=17) Device dspW0: name slot allocation failed (Errno=17) Device audio0: name slot allocation failed (Errno=17) Device mixer0: name slot allocation failed (Errno=17) Device sndstat0: name slot allocation failed (Errno=17) sbmidi0 not found at 0x300 de0: enabling 10baseT port Intel Pentium F00F detected, installing workaround DEVFS: ready to run changing root device to wd0s2a ffs_mountfs: superblock updated de0: enabling 10baseT port pid 212 (mysqld), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count is < 0! devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count is < 0! devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count is < 0! devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count is < 0! devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count is < 0! devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count is < 0! devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count is < 0! devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count is < 0! devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count is < 0! Regards, Joe -- Josef Karthauser Technical Manager FreeBSD: The power to serve (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 09:32:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04336 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:32:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from entropy.quake.at (uvo1-61.univie.ac.at [131.130.231.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04273 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:32:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from as@psa.at) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=psa.at) by entropy.quake.at with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0zQ9uy-0000HW-00; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:39:12 +0200 Message-ID: <3618BDF0.DFA0D41A@psa.at> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 14:39:12 +0200 From: Alexander Sanda Reply-To: as@psa.at Organization: Organization sucks X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=" CC: Alexander Sanda , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Very strange thing happened today References: <19980930135418.A15529@compufit.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav" wrote: > > Some_thing_ has stolen 2 characters from the function definition. Best > > of all, neither the filesize nor the timestamp have been changed > > (still 3521 bytes, 18 Sep 1996), _but_ 2 junk characters (0-bytes) have > > been added to the end of the file. I still have a copy of the altered > > file, so if somebody would be interested, I could mail him the header > > file. > > What is the byte offset of the second 's' in 'list_frestruct'? The offset is 0x0d46 The line starts at 0x0d3c -- # /AS/ http://privat.schlund.de/entropy/ # # # # XX has detected, that your mouse cursor has changed position. Please # # restart XX, so it can be updated. -- From The Gimp manual # To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 09:37:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05606 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:37:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA04634 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:34:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 28678 invoked by uid 1003); 5 Oct 1998 16:31:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19981005182753.A23877@rucus.ru.ac.za> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:31:43 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: "Larry S. Marso" , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: odd /stand directory References: <19981005100229.D815@marso.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981005100229.D815@marso.com>; from Larry S. Marso on Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 10:02:29AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon 1998-10-05 (10:02), Larry S. Marso wrote: > This has happened on two machines. One an August 3.0-SNAP machine, another > a recent 3.0-elf compile. The /stand directory's contents morph into > machine-killing bloated garbage. For example: > > > ls -l /stand > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 -sh > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 bad144 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1030 Aug 4 07:06 boot.help > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 boot_crunch > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 cpio *snip* > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 mount_nfs > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 newfs *snip* > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 sysinstall > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1232896 Aug 4 06:26 zcat What specifically is wrong with this? Unless possibly a "ls -i" reveals that they're using different inodes, that looks about right, except maybe the size is a slight bit big, but I can only compare with a 2.2.6 and an old 3.0 (since I haven't updated /stand on either for ages, if ever), and it's only 200k more, which isn't that unthinkable considering the additions since then. Did you even upgrade /stand? Chances are you missed it, since it requires a make install in /usr/src/release/sysinstall (I know I almost never do it). Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 09:41:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06515 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:41:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles140.castles.com [208.214.165.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06490 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:41:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03605; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:46:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810051646.JAA03605@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: obrien@NUXI.com cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ELF kernel? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 06:08:22 PDT." <19981005060822.B9542@nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:46:16 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > They become KLD modules. > > How does one expand this? Kernel Loadable ??Device?? KLD is the kernel linker. A KLD module is a module which is input to KLD. (There are other module types, eg. a splash module containing a splash image, etc.) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 09:53:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09533 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:53:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09501 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:53:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id SAA23510; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:50:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from semyam.dinoco.de (semyam.dinoco.de [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07607; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:33:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199810051633.SAA07607@semyam.dinoco.de> To: Karl Denninger cc: Tom Jackson , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, seggers@semyam.dinoco.de Subject: Re: /boot/boot.conf (was: Re: CRUSH after recompile kernel... ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:54:24 CDT." <19981005105424.B14649@Denninger.Net> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 18:33:16 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Ok, how do you enable support for this? As someone else already wrote under whatever subject: Put "/boot/loader" into /boot.config and make sure you have the file /boot/loader (made with the sequence "make depend; make; make install" in /sys/boot) installed. Then the old boot sectors load the new loader instead of the kernel and that is all one has to do. I had to remove a line where the boot loader code tried to set a field for VESA modes in the bootinfo structure which I couldn't find in my version of the include files. Despite this it worked as expected. Only the command line interpreter seemed to have trouble with some errornous input but that's easy to avoid and as it just reboots in case of serious trouble isn't harmfull at all. The rest of information I got by dropping to the new loader's command line with trial & error and from the source. Loading an ELF kernel I didn't try as my loader is 0.8.0 and someone wrote one needs at least 0.8.2 for ELF. Stefan. -- Stefan Eggers Lu4 yao2 zhi1 ma3 li4, Max-Slevogt-Str. 1 ri4 jiu3 jian4 ren2 xin1. 51109 Koeln Federal Republic of Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 10:03:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11832 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:03:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11824 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:03:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13253; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810051702.KAA13253@implode.root.com> To: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current panics.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 20:10:17 +0400." <19981005201017.53803@demos.su> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:02:52 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ># Wcarchive does NOT run a standard kernel. It has various tweaks, such as ># greatly expanded kernel virtual address space, which are specific to that ># machine and not appropriate for 99.999% of FreeBSD users. NMBCLUSTERS on ># wcarchive is currently set to 80000, but will need to be doubled again to ># 160000 before we can support 10000 concurrent users. The VM is evenly split ># for 2GB for user processes and 2GB for the kernel (contrast that with ># standard FreeBSD which is 3.75GB user and .25GB kernel). > >Could it be an option then, since it looks like we, the 0.001% of FreeBSD >users seem to exist. Making FreeBSD more dynamically configuring has always been a long term goal. There isn't any magic configuration option that I can make for "big systems", because there are many factors to consider and the system simply has to be tuned to the specific work load. The analysis and tuning is complex enough that it's something that I charge money to do for people. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 10:05:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12242 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:05:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from opi.flirtbox.ch ([62.48.0.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA12190 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:05:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oppermann@pipeline.ch) Received: (qmail 12124 invoked from network); 5 Oct 1998 17:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pipeline.ch) (195.134.140.3) by opi.flirtbox.ch with SMTP; 5 Oct 1998 17:05:33 -0000 Message-ID: <3618FC37.94EFFB2@pipeline.ch> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 19:04:55 +0200 From: Andre Oppermann Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dg@root.com CC: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current panics.. References: <199810051526.IAA12441@implode.root.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Greenman wrote: > > >It comes out (once again, emprecially) that this is somehow caused > >by NMBCLUSTERS being >12288. Strange, since I recall wcarchive has it set to > >1024*48 or something, right? > > Wcarchive does NOT run a standard kernel. It has various tweaks, such as > greatly expanded kernel virtual address space, which are specific to that > machine and not appropriate for 99.999% of FreeBSD users. NMBCLUSTERS on Are those changes useful for networking only boxes (eg. Proxies)? Do you mind to write a small doc what to tweak where? > wcarchive is currently set to 80000, but will need to be doubled again to > 160000 before we can support 10000 concurrent users. The VM is evenly split Wow... 10'000 concurrent users... thats REALLY cool... > for 2GB for user processes and 2GB for the kernel (contrast that with > standard FreeBSD which is 3.75GB user and .25GB kernel). Does that mean the box will run with 4Gig of Memory (on the Xeon box)? -- Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 10:13:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13875 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:13:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13854 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:13:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13355; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810051712.KAA13355@implode.root.com> To: Andre Oppermann cc: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current panics.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 19:04:55 +0200." <3618FC37.94EFFB2@pipeline.ch> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:12:26 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >David Greenman wrote: >> >> >It comes out (once again, emprecially) that this is somehow caused >> >by NMBCLUSTERS being >12288. Strange, since I recall wcarchive has it set to >> >1024*48 or something, right? >> >> Wcarchive does NOT run a standard kernel. It has various tweaks, such as >> greatly expanded kernel virtual address space, which are specific to that >> machine and not appropriate for 99.999% of FreeBSD users. NMBCLUSTERS on > >Are those changes useful for networking only boxes (eg. Proxies)? Possibly. Depends on the machine. >Do you mind to write a small doc what to tweak where? One of these days, perhaps, but I'm too busy with other things to do it anytime soon. >> for 2GB for user processes and 2GB for the kernel (contrast that with >> standard FreeBSD which is 3.75GB user and .25GB kernel). > >Does that mean the box will run with 4Gig of Memory (on the Xeon box)? The amount of physical memory that the machine supports is completely independant of the size of per-process/kernel virtual memory. I'm sure that FreeBSD/wcarchive will need further tweaking before working with 'full' memory, but I'll have to wait another month to find out. :-) -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 10:20:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15368 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:20:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skraldespand.demos.su (skraldespand.demos.su [194.87.5.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15361 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:20:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mishania@skraldespand.demos.su) Received: by skraldespand.demos.su id VAA09105; (8.8.8/D) Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:19:32 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <19981005211931.51777@demos.su> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:19:31 +0400 From: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" To: dg@root.com Cc: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current panics.. References: <19981005201017.53803@demos.su> <199810051702.KAA13253@implode.root.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <199810051702.KAA13253@implode.root.com>; from David Greenman on Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 10:02:52AM -0700 Organization: Demos Company, Ltd., Moscow, Russian Federation. X-Point-of-View: Gravity is myth, - the earth sucks. X-Useless-Header: Look ma! It's a # sign! Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 10:02:52AM -0700, David Greenman wrote: # ># Wcarchive does NOT run a standard kernel. It has various tweaks, such as # ># greatly expanded kernel virtual address space, which are specific to that # ># machine and not appropriate for 99.999% of FreeBSD users. NMBCLUSTERS on # ># wcarchive is currently set to 80000, but will need to be doubled again to # ># 160000 before we can support 10000 concurrent users. The VM is evenly split # ># for 2GB for user processes and 2GB for the kernel (contrast that with # ># standard FreeBSD which is 3.75GB user and .25GB kernel). # > # >Could it be an option then, since it looks like we, the 0.001% of FreeBSD # >users seem to exist. # # Making FreeBSD more dynamically configuring has always been a long term # goal. There isn't any magic configuration option that I can make for "big # systems", because there are many factors to consider and the system simply # has to be tuned to the specific work load. The analysis and tuning is complex # enough that it's something that I charge money to do for people. There was a 2.1.0 when we used to have the same squid with approximately the same quantity of clients and there was working dealloc methodic which was gone in 2.2.x and, of course, 3.0. It now looks like there's still problems with mbuf allocation/leeks and so on (see PR's) and the OS will not work when it is supposed to be 'a big system' out of the box. Can I read the answer as "FreeBSD is not supposed to be working as huge networking servers out of the box"? # David Greenman -- -mishania, who's not trying to be aggressive or something, just very puzzled. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 10:24:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16068 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:24:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15929 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:24:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id TAA27959; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:19:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from semyam.dinoco.de (semyam.dinoco.de [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01053; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:06:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199810051706.TAA01053@semyam.dinoco.de> To: obrien@NUXI.com cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, seggers@semyam.dinoco.de Subject: Re: ELF kernel? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 06:08:22 PDT." <19981005060822.B9542@nuxi.com> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 19:06:46 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > They become KLD modules. > > How does one expand this? Kernel Loadable ??Device?? Kernel LoaDed? Gives at least the right letters and makes some sense. ;-) Just for the record: A system cvsup'ed on October 3rd with a newer boot loader cvsup'ed today (version 0.87) works fine with an ELF kernel for me. The only victim was the a.out screen blanker LKM for obvious reasons. Stefan. -- Stefan Eggers Lu4 yao2 zhi1 ma3 li4, Max-Slevogt-Str. 1 ri4 jiu3 jian4 ren2 xin1. 51109 Koeln Federal Republic of Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 10:33:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18345 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:33:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.webwizard.net.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18321 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:33:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Received: from webwizard.org.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by dns.webwizard.net.mx (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA22144; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:26:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Message-ID: <36190128.55A46FAD@webwizard.org.mx> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 12:26:00 -0500 From: Edwin Culp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lauri Laupmaa CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ELF current & mysqld References: <199810051519.SAA16192@bsd.mbp.ee> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Lauri Laupmaa wrote: > Hi > > After converting to elf I have problems connecting to aout mysql > daemon...syslog says: > > pid 208 (mysqld), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) > > also I cannot build ELF mysql port, because it is marked as broken. > > How could one circumvent this ? > > ______________ > Lauri Laupmaa I built mysql322 last Friday with libc_r , NATIVE_THREADS=yes, clean, right out of the box. Running fine (mysql, apache 1.3.2, X11, afterstep-devel, natd, ipfw,samba, sharity, kernel - all elf). There are three different mysql's in ports though. ed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 10:55:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA21460 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:55:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA21454 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:55:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA21385; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:55:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd021316; Mon Oct 5 10:55:04 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA20783; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:54:31 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810051754.KAA20783@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:54:30 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, mike@smith.net.au, cracauer@cons.org, chuckr@mat.net, nate@mt.sri.com, osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810050046.RAA07872@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Oct 4, 98 05:46:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > There are no standards for the interface between shared objects which > > > are relevant to the discussion. > > > > Sure there are. There's the Solaris ABI. > > Read what I just wrote: The Solaris ABI specifies the interface > between a running program and the kernel. It *does*not* specify the > interfaces between eg. libc and a libc consumer. Oh. Sorry. "There's the Solaris libc". That better? It's a nice standard for the interface between commercial software and shared objects. > > How? In that it would allow shared Solaris binaries to operate on > > FreeBSD? > > No, it would allow libraries built to link against the Solaris libc to > instead link with the FreeBSD libc. And thus make system calls by way of libc, and thus operate. Right? Assuming we met the other IABI requirements for manifest constants and structure contents. > > You must have a different definition of "suck"... > > The practical issues involved in implementing such a shim would be > disgusting. > > We already have a mechanism for allowing Solaris binaries to operate on > FreeBSD; it will be committed shortly after 3.0 is released. Shared Solaris binaries? The code I saw only did static... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 11:12:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25020 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:12:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vip.consys.com (Comobabi.ConSys.COM [209.141.107.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25005 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:12:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rcarter@pinyon.org) Received: (from pinyon@localhost) by vip.consys.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA01786; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:11:44 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:11:44 -0700 (MST) From: "Russell L. Carter" Message-Id: <199810051811.LAA01786@vip.consys.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG, mauri@mbp.ee Subject: Re: ELF current & mysqld In-Reply-To: <199810051519.SAA16192@bsd.mbp.ee> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG |From: "Lauri Laupmaa" |After converting to elf I have problems connecting to aout mysql |daemon...syslog says: | |pid 208 (mysqld), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) | |also I cannot build ELF mysql port, because it is marked as broken. | This happened I believe sometime between Tues and Thurs of last week, I had elfed mysql 3.21.33 (native threads) passing all of the tests on Monday, but noticed it broken Thursday night. Just got back from travel, and now that perl is fixed it is problem numero uno. In the time I had last night (10/4/98) I verified the problem remained with up-to-date -current. It's not a ports problem. Russell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 11:39:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA00291 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:39:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00286 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:39:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14146; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810051838.LAA14146@implode.root.com> To: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current panics.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:19:31 +0400." <19981005211931.51777@demos.su> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 11:38:18 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ># Making FreeBSD more dynamically configuring has always been a long term ># goal. There isn't any magic configuration option that I can make for "big ># systems", because there are many factors to consider and the system simply ># has to be tuned to the specific work load. The analysis and tuning is complex ># enough that it's something that I charge money to do for people. > >There was a 2.1.0 when we used to have the same squid with approximately the >same quantity of clients and there was working dealloc methodic which was gone >in 2.2.x and, of course, 3.0. It now looks like there's still problems with >mbuf allocation/leeks and so on (see PR's) and the OS will not work when it >is supposed to be 'a big system' out of the box. Can I read the answer as >"FreeBSD is not supposed to be working as huge networking servers out of >the box"? Properly tuned, FreeBSD will work just fine for large servers. You have to know what you are doing, however. This will be the case for ALL operating systems, not just FreeBSD. I'm not convinced that there are any "leaks" in FreeBSD. All of those that I have investigated have turned out to be just a large average number of TIME_WAIT connections that haven't timed out yet. The system must be configured with this in mind or you will run out of buffers. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 11:43:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA00688 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:43:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.elpost.com (DNS2.ELPOST.COM [193.15.1.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00671 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:42:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johan@granlund.nu) Received: from phoenix.granlund.nu (t1o29p15.telia.com [194.236.214.15]) by mail.elpost.com (2.5 Build 2626 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA00778 for ; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 20:42:24 +0200 Received: from pegasys (pegasys.granlund.nu [192.168.0.2]) by phoenix.granlund.nu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA22256 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:36:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from johan@phoenix.granlund.nu) Message-Id: <199810051836.UAA22256@phoenix.granlund.nu> From: "Johan Granlund" To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:31:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE: Exabyte 8200 and CAM, Take 2 In-reply-to: References: <199810041820.UAA02473@phoenix.granlund.nu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id LAA00684 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Long Snip] > Strange, my Exabyte 8200 probes fine with no lockups, I have a NCR810 > card. Current as of about 06:30GMT 2/10/98. Exabyte has same firmware as > yours. Hmm The first time i took up this it was big problems with the ncr driver that was later solved. Sören smith i think said that he saw the same problem. /Johan > > FreeBSD 3.0-BETA #0: Sat Oct 3 03:33:50 GMT 1998 > dmlb@computer.my.domain:/usr/src/sys/compile/COMPUTER > > ... > ncr0: rev 0x01 int a irq 9 on pci0.8.0 > ... > sa0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 > sa0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI1 device sa0: > 3.300MB/s transfers > > Duncan > > --- > ________________________________________________________________________ > Duncan Barclay | God smiles upon the little children, > dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk | the alcoholics, and the permanently stoned. > ________________________________________________________________________ > ___________________________________________________________ Internet: johan@granlund.nu I don't even speak for myself To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 12:00:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04272 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:00:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.webwizard.net.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04161 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:00:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Received: from webwizard.org.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by dns.webwizard.net.mx (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA15663; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:53:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Message-ID: <361915A2.8870E5AE@webwizard.org.mx> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 13:53:22 -0500 From: Edwin Culp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rik Schneider CC: "Larry S. Marso" , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: odd /stand directory References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rik Schneider wrote: > What you are seeing is a single file with 19 links. If you want to make > sure of that you can run du -k (as a not root user) or ls -i on the > /stand directory. > In my case that isn't true. I have nice sequential inodes:-), although what you're saying makes a lot more sense. I think I will test and change it, but I don't understand how it got that way in the first place. ls -li |sort -n +0 -1 total 44090 23041 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1030 Jun 18 09:24 boot.help 23042 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 1179648 May 6 09:09 zcat 23043 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 454 May 6 10:54 symbols 23050 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 1179648 May 6 09:09 -sh 23051 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 1179648 May 6 09:09 bad144 23052 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 1179648 May 6 09:09 boot_crunch 23053 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 1179648 May 6 09:09 cpio 23054 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 1179648 May 6 09:09 find 23055 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 1179648 May 6 09:09 fsck 23056 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 1179648 May 6 09:09 ft 23057 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 1179648 May 6 09:09 gunzip 23058 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 1179648 May 6 09:09 gzip 23059 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 1179648 May 6 09:09 ifconfig 23060 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 1179648 May 6 09:09 mount_nfs 23061 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 1179648 May 6 09:09 newfs 23062 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 1179648 May 6 09:09 ppp 23063 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 1179648 May 6 09:09 pwd 23064 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 1179648 May 6 09:09 oute 23065 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 1179648 May 6 09:09 sh 23066 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 1179648 May 6 09:09 slattach 23067 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 1179648 May 6 09:09 sysinstall 30720 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 1024 Jul 12 10:54 help 38400 drwx------ 2 root wheel 512 Jul 12 10:54 etc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 12:11:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07339 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:11:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rm-rstar.sfu.ca (rm-rstar.sfu.ca [142.58.120.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06985; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from info@internationalmoneynews.com) From: info@internationalmoneynews.com Received: from falcon-west.bestnet.org ([205.211.8.60]) by rm-rstar.sfu.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7/SFU-4.0H) with SMTP id MAA05827; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN charset=US-ASCII To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Free all professionals' IMF and World Bank economic currency trends and industry stability reports. 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Sincerely, International Money News To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 12:19:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08989 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:19:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08962 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:19:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from mail.siemens.de (salomon.siemens.de [139.23.33.13]) by david.siemens.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA01086 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:18:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (daemon@curry.mchp.siemens.de [146.180.31.23]) by mail.siemens.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA22942 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:18:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12261 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:18:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Andre Albsmeier Message-Id: <199810051918.VAA03703@internal> Subject: make buildworld failure (fix included ?) To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:18:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG When the INFODIR environment variable is set, "make buildworld" fails. This is the same problem as desribed in PR# 6138. It has been solved by removing share/info from build-tools in /usr/src/Makefile. This was done for -STABLE in version 1.109.2.28 and for -current in version 1.176 by bde. However, I assume during the E-day transition this bug was reintroduced in Makefile.inc1. Now we find it here in the lib-tools: target. I think if it can be fixed the same way as before (by removing it simply from Makefile.inc1)... What do you think? -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 12:31:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11727 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:31:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from math.berkeley.edu (math.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.183.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11720 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:31:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@math.berkeley.edu) Received: (from dan@localhost) by math.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA01082; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:30:48 -0700 (PDT) From: dan@math.berkeley.edu (Dan Strick) Message-Id: <199810051930.MAA01082@math.berkeley.edu> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Partition weirdness.. Cc: dan@math.berkeley.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >You are supposed to be able to turn off this protection with the > >"disklabel -W" command, though this never seems to work for me. > > It turns back on on close or thereabouts. This is easy to work around > by not closing (e.g., sleep 1000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12600 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:34:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hoflink.com (hoflink.com [199.173.65.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12499 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:34:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikeg@hoflink.com) Received: from hoflink.com (ppp49.hoflink.com [199.173.65.149]) by hoflink.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA20692; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36191F1C.D5B64279@hoflink.com> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 15:33:48 -0400 From: Michael Graziano X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Oski CC: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem installing 10/03 beta References: <3617E2CB.9C72B912@hoflink.com> <36182207.F57AC8D0@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Michael Oski wrote: > Mike, > > The first error is the same I experienced with the 9/23 -9/27 beta's. When I > asked about it last week, Jordon responded that the install from DOS was not > yet supported on the boot floppies I used. I'm not sure if this was ever > enabled. I worked around it by moving the dist to another machine and doing > an FTP install from there. My solution with my last reinstall (this morning) was to use an old 2.2.7 boot disk. Perhaps this is causing the problem (though I don't know how), so I'll try FTPing it later today. > > The second problem sounds like the driver parameters may be getting set > differently between the two machines. I experienced a very similar problem a > few years back when the write precomp was set to 0 (per the label on the > disk) on the PC I installed in, and set to ??? (can't remember exactly) when > auto-detected in the destination PC. I could boot from a DOS floppy and see > the data, but couldn't boot or actually read the data IIRC. Just an idea... Something told me it wouldn't be that simple, but I tried anyway. No go. It almost seems like the machine just doesn't like me anymore, maybe I should just push it out the window and file a claim on that insurance policy... :) > > MO! > > Michael Graziano wrote: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 12:37:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13139 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:37:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13131 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:37:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA01832; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:35:00 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:35:00 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "David O'Brien" cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ELF kernel? In-Reply-To: <19981005060822.B9542@nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, David O'Brien wrote: > > They become KLD modules. > > How does one expand this? Kernel Loadable ??Device?? It was a pun on ld(1) which is the user space linker, thus "Kernel LD" becomes KLD. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 13:00:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18147 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:00:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA18046 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:59:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alk@East.Sun.COM) Received: from East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id MAA22965 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:59:25 -0700 Received: from suneast.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id PAA20885; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:59:17 -0400 Received: from east.sun.com by suneast.East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA27978; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:58:35 -0400 Received: (from alk@localhost) by east.sun.com (8.9.1/8.7.3) id OAA27304; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:57:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:56:59 -0500 (CDT) X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Reply-To: alk@pobox.com To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: how to make biosboot? X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13849.9211.157920.908344@avalon.east> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What is the pilot's error, below? /usr/src/sys/i386/boot make ... cc -O2 -malign-functions=0 -malign-jumps=0 -malign-loops=0 -mno-486 -DBOOTWAIT=5000 -DTIMEOUT= -DBOOTSEG=0x1000 -DBOOTSTACK=0xFFF0 -DDO_BAD144 -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wuninitialized -Wformat -fformat-extensions -ansi -DCOMCONSOLE=0x3F8 -DCONSPEED=9600 -nostdinc -I/usr/src/sys/i386/boot/biosboot/../../../../include -I/usr/src/sys/i386/boot/biosboot/../../.. -I/usr/src/sys/i386/boot/biosboot -N -T 0 -nostdlib -static -o boot start.o table.o boot2.o boot.o asm.o bios.o serial.o probe_keyboard.o io.o disk.o sys.o /usr/libexec/elf/ld: cannot open linker script file 0: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 13:09:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19836 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:09:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19830 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:09:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id OAA27385; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:08:20 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199810052008.OAA27385@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD3.0-BETA crash! In-Reply-To: <19981005172647.H26632@pavilion.net> from Josef Karthauser at "Oct 5, 98 05:26:47 pm" To: joe@pavilion.net (Josef Karthauser) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:08:20 -0600 (MDT) Cc: grog@lemis.com, FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Josef Karthauser wrote... > On Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 11:19:11AM -0600, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > > Josef Karthauser wrote... > > > > That isn't what caused your machine to panic. > > > > Those are informational messages from the devstat code. Basically they > > indicate that devstat support isn't correctly done in one of the > > drivers in your system. > > > > Can you send dmesg output from your machine? (one that shows your > > hardware, not all the devstat messages...) > > > > Also, what devices were you using when those messages popped up? It could > > be that you're using a "standard" driver, but that devstat transactions > > are getting completed too often in the error case. > fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold > fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in > wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0xa0ffa0ff on isa > wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): , DMA, 32-bit, multi-block-16 > wd0: 3098MB (6346368 sectors), 6296 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S > wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 flags 0xa0ffa0ff on isa > wdc1: unit 0 (wd2): , DMA, 32-bit, multi-block-16 > wd2: 2060MB (4219488 sectors), 4186 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S > wdc1: unit 1 (atapi): , removable, ovlap, dma, iordis > wcd0: 2066Kb/sec, 128Kb cache, audio play, 256 volume levels, ejectable tray > wcd0: 120mm audio disc loaded, unlocked [ ... ] > devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count is < 0! > devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count is < 0! > devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count is < 0! > devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count is < 0! > devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count is < 0! > devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count is < 0! > devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count is < 0! > devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count is < 0! > devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count is < 0! There are three possible culprits in your system: the floppy driver, the IDE disk driver and the IDE CD driver. Which one were you using when the devstat messages appeared? Whichever one it was, someone who understands it (Mike?) should probably take a look at the driver and see whether we're getting transactions completed twice, or transactions that get completed, but were never started. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 13:18:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21605 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:18:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21491 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:18:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from james@westongold.com) Received: from [158.152.96.124] (helo=wgp01.wgold.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQH4P-0000Zf-00 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:17:26 +0000 Received: by WGP01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:43:48 +0100 Message-ID: <32BABEF63EAED111B2C5204C4F4F502017F5@WGP01> From: James Mansion To: 'shmit@kublai.com', current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Threading man pages. Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:43:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I guess this goes some way to answering a question I posed previously and got no response to - POSIX threading is essentially not supported in FreeBSD (yet). Some time ago I remember John Dyson and others discussing adding what I would consider to be a good level of threading support with the kernel handling most issues and providing signals or calls up to libc so that a M:N system would be viable, somewhat like Solaris or Digital UNIX. Previously I was told to 'read the man pages' but could find little evidence of any support for threading or AIO - and in particular sysconf doesn't look much like my copy of 1003.1(1996) would lead me to expect. Is anyone working on support for POSIX synchronization objects and threads? Ideally, with the optional inter-process support (hence, I was encouraged by the prospect of a thrad-savvy kernel rather than a fake in libc_r and userland) What's the state of play? Is there somewhere on FreeBSD.ORG that lists which of the portability constants specified in 2.9.3 are actually provided (whether in unistd.h or not)? Is there a statement of which P1003.1(1996) facilities are provided, or a statement of intent? One of the things I like about FreeBSD is that it does appear to be 'managed' and I would have hoped that such statements would be feasible. Somneone care to put me right? (Only really interested in 3.0 btw) James > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Cully [mailto:shmit@kublai.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 7:05 PM > To: current@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Threading man pages. > > > I want to modify some of the FreeBSD man pages to reflect behaviour > in a Multi Threaded environment (have a look at the Solaris man > pages for signals for an example of what I mean). If I did the > work, would it be committed? I ask, because I don't think that the > pthreads stuff in libc_r is `officially' supported, and we may not > want to put pointers in regular system man pages that hint that it > is officially supported. > > -- > Brian Cully > ``And when one of our comrades was taken prisoner, blindfolded, hung > upside-down, shot, and burned, we thought to ourselves, > `These are the > best experiences of our lives''' -Pathology (Joe Frank, > Somewhere Out There) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 13:24:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22936 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:24:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.mishkei.org.il (host3-64.mishkei.org.il [62.0.64.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22808 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:23:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rom_glsa@ein-hashofet.co.il) Received: from ein-hashofet.co.il (host45-68.mishkei.org.il [62.0.68.45]) by mail.mishkei.org.il (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00556 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:22:37 +0200 Message-ID: <361946F8.86389BA9@ein-hashofet.co.il> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 22:23:52 +0000 From: Gilad Rom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Problems with 3-stage bootloader Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have installed the new bootloader(CVSupped Monday morning), recompiled my KERNEL as ELF, added "options FFS_ROOT", did a "disklabel -B wd0", and happily rebooted. the new bootloader showed up, telling me about drive 0/drive1 and some more BIOs information, when suddenly I got this message: FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader.... (lickyou@pentium, Mon Oct 5 20:21:30 GMT 1998) Can't work out which disk we are booting from. Guessed BIOS device 0xffffffff not found by probes, defaulting to disk 0: can't open `/boot/boot.conf`: input/output error real memory = 100663296 (98304K bytes) avail memory = 95846400 (93600K bytes) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0xb3 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0xb4 on pci0.2.0 vga0: rev 0x9a on pci0.5.0 ide_pci0: rev 0x20 int a irq 0 on pci0.11.0 ide_pci: controller is simplex, no DMA on secondary channel Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> sio1 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio1: type 16550A sio2 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio2: type 16550A pcm0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 on isa fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0x80ff on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): , 32-bit, multi-block-16 wd0: 4104MB (8406720 sectors), 8896 cyls, 15 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wdc0: unit 1 (atapi): , removable, accel, dma, iordy wcd0: 0/1718Kb/sec, 128Kb cache, audio play, 255 volume levels, ejectable tray wcd0: no disc inside, unlocked npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface Intel Pentium F00F detected, installing workaround changing root device to wd0s2a ffs_mountfs: superblock updated /etc/fstab has: # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/wd0s2b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/wd0s2a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/wd0s2f /usr ufs rw,async 2 2 /dev/wd0s2e /var ufs rw 2 2 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 /dev/wcd0a /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/wd0s1 /dos msdos rw,noauto 0 0 Bye, Gilad. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 14:11:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02366 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:11:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02359 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:11:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk) Received: from [158.152.46.40] (helo=ragnet.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQHur-0005p2-00; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:11:39 +0000 Received: from dmlb by ragnet.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zQGhH-00012x-00; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:53:31 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199810051836.UAA22256@phoenix.granlund.nu> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 20:53:30 +0100 (BST) From: Duncan Barclay To: Johan Granlund Subject: RE: Exabyte 8200 and CAM, Take 2 Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 05-Oct-98 Johan Granlund wrote: > > [Long Snip] > > >> Strange, my Exabyte 8200 probes fine with no lockups, I have a NCR810 >> card. Current as of about 06:30GMT 2/10/98. Exabyte has same firmware as >> yours. Having now got some tapes for this drive it locks up when being _used_ under CAM. It probes fine though. > Hmm > The first time i took up this it was big problems with the ncr driver that > was later solved. > Sren smith i think said that he saw the same problem. > > /Johan > >> >> FreeBSD 3.0-BETA #0: Sat Oct 3 03:33:50 GMT 1998 >> dmlb@computer.my.domain:/usr/src/sys/compile/COMPUTER >> >> ... >> ncr0: rev 0x01 int a irq 9 on pci0.8.0 >> ... >> sa0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 >> sa0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI1 device sa0: >> 3.300MB/s transfers >> >> Duncan --- ________________________________________________________________________ Duncan Barclay | God smiles upon the little children, dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk | the alcoholics, and the permanently stoned. ________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 14:33:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04986 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:33:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hillbilly.hayseed.net (hillbilly.hayseed.net [204.62.130.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04978 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:33:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from enkhyl@hayseed.net) Received: from hillbilly.hayseed.net (hillbilly.hayseed.net [204.62.130.2]) by hillbilly.hayseed.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14328; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:32:56 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:32:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Nielsen To: David Greenman cc: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current panics.. In-Reply-To: <199810051838.LAA14146@implode.root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, David Greenman wrote: > ># Making FreeBSD more dynamically configuring has always been a long term > ># goal. There isn't any magic configuration option that I can make for "big > ># systems", because there are many factors to consider and the system simply > ># has to be tuned to the specific work load. The analysis and tuning is complex > ># enough that it's something that I charge money to do for people. > > > >There was a 2.1.0 when we used to have the same squid with approximately the > >same quantity of clients and there was working dealloc methodic which was gone > >in 2.2.x and, of course, 3.0. It now looks like there's still problems with > >mbuf allocation/leeks and so on (see PR's) and the OS will not work when it > >is supposed to be 'a big system' out of the box. Can I read the answer as > >"FreeBSD is not supposed to be working as huge networking servers out of > >the box"? > > Properly tuned, FreeBSD will work just fine for large servers. You have to > know what you are doing, however. This will be the case for ALL operating > systems, not just FreeBSD. I'm not convinced that there are any "leaks" in > FreeBSD. All of those that I have investigated have turned out to be just > a large average number of TIME_WAIT connections that haven't timed out yet. > The system must be configured with this in mind or you will run out of > buffers. This same kind of situation can occur with a network-intensive app running under Solaris, too. From my own experience with tuning OSs (specifically Solaris 2.x), I'd agree with David's assessment. Not having delved that far into the details of FreeBSD "leaks" as he probably has, I can't say with certainty that there are none, but I'm inclined to believe him. :-) -- Christopher Nielsen Scient: The Art and Science of Electronic Business cnielsen@scient.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 14:36:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05808 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:36:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from assurance.rstcorp.com (assurance.rstcorp.com [206.29.49.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA05788 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:36:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vshah@rstcorp.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by assurance.rstcorp.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA05636 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:36:16 -0400 Received: from sandbox.rstcorp.com(206.29.49.63) by assurance.rstcorp.com via smap (V2.0) id xma005631; Mon, 5 Oct 98 17:36:00 -0400 Received: from jabberwock.rstcorp.com (jabberwock [206.29.49.98]) by sandbox.rstcorp.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA21537 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from vshah@localhost) by jabberwock.rstcorp.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) id RAA01302; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810052135.RAA01302@jabberwock.rstcorp.com> From: "Viren R. Shah" To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: boot loader problems.. X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "Viren R. Shah" X-Face: )~y+U*K:yzjz{q<5lzpI_SVef'U.])9g[C9`1N@]u3,MHY7f*l7C)[_NjM4y4K8$uIUh|\u (K&&HS6,M!61&GMTk'mqmB/Qg]]X}"?TzsFl]"2v!bl8']dma.:^IY^a[lbOI>U:b<~FyK3q-p{HmZ mn~g.`~BE!5{2D:}Yi+\_KkWe?XaHj9$ko1k8iKLYv5*_2c8"G=?Up[}hn+7RNM(bzBZ_wWk6!Pf&B ?3Tcm7M7B~W%K/I0aX3]*=jP?aM]H6HBPT`oLk+0n^_;N\2\%|Rhy;p}34Q.jEsM\qtnxcm;ag%Nq Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Let me preface this by saying that this is very probably my fault -- I probably missed doing something] I'm running -current as of 4pm Oct 5 (today) I compiled an ELF kernel. That went fine. I went to /sys/boot and did a make depend make make install FreeBSD is on slice 3 of the one and only IDE drive [In case it matters, partition 1 is NT. partition 2 is FAT. The machine boots into the NT loader, which then boots the FreeBSD boot blocks] I did a disklabel -B /dev/rwd0s3 Reboot. The loader can't figure out where it was loaded from -- thus it defaults to disk0 (floppy drive). I can change the currdev setting to disk1s3 and it boots up fine. Any ideas as to what I missed? The list archives don't have anything on this yet (too new), and all the mails I saved on this don't show what I missed. Thanks Viren -- Viren R. Shah, viren @ rstcorp . com, http://www.rstcorp.com/~vshah/ If you understand what you're doing, you are not learning anything To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 15:13:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13552 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:13:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13532 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:13:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA00326 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:15:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:15:08 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: lockups under 3.0 sorry Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i'm sorry i don't really have anything about this crash/lockup however it is sorta reproduceable. using pine 4.02 on an mail file that's on an NFS partition. sometimes while expunging messages the machine will lock hard, no reboot. i know this kinda bug report sucks but this has been happening occasionally for the last 2 weeks. sorry, Alfred Perlstein - Programmer, HotJobs Inc. - www.hotjobs.com -- There are operating systems, and then there's FreeBSD. -- http://www.freebsd.org/ 3.0-current To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 15:47:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21894 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:47:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21882 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:46:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id QAA28339; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:46:44 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199810052246.QAA28339@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: Exabyte 8200 and CAM, Take 2 In-Reply-To: from Duncan Barclay at "Oct 5, 98 08:53:30 pm" To: dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk (Duncan Barclay) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:46:44 -0600 (MDT) Cc: johan@granlund.nu, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=ELM907627604-28258-0_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --ELM907627604-28258-0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Duncan Barclay wrote... > > On 05-Oct-98 Johan Granlund wrote: > > > > [Long Snip] > > > > > >> Strange, my Exabyte 8200 probes fine with no lockups, I have a NCR810 > >> card. Current as of about 06:30GMT 2/10/98. Exabyte has same firmware as > >> yours. > > Having now got some tapes for this drive it locks up when being _used_ under > CAM. It probes fine though. It isn't surprising that y'all are having trouble with 8200's under CAM. The tape driver needs some work before it will work around all the bugs in all the old (and often broken) tape drives out there. Hopefully we'll be able to do something about it before 3.0, but for now, just realize that it's a little broken. I've attached a patch to disable multi-lun probing and serial number requests; that should allow the drive to at least probe properly. We'll probably end up disabling serial number inquiries and multi-lun probing for all SCSI-1 devices. (need to adjust the transport layer quirk mechanism to handle that, first) Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com --ELM907627604-28258-0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=cam_xpt.8200.diffs.new Content-Description: cam_xpt.8200.diffs.new Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ==== //depot/cam/sys/cam/cam_xpt.c#163 - /usr/home/ken/perforce/cam/sys/cam/cam_xpt.c ==== *** /tmp/tmp.4257.0 Mon Oct 5 16:44:23 1998 --- /usr/home/ken/perforce/cam/sys/cam/cam_xpt.c Mon Oct 5 16:42:47 1998 *************** *** 346,351 **** --- 346,362 ---- CAM_QUIRK_NOLUNS, /*mintags*/0, /*maxtags*/0 }, { + /* + * The 8200 doesn't like multi-lun probing, and probably + * don't like serial number requests either. + */ + { + T_SEQUENTIAL, SIP_MEDIA_REMOVABLE, "EXABYTE", + "EXB-8200*", "*" + }, + CAM_QUIRK_NOSERIAL|CAM_QUIRK_NOLUNS, /*mintags*/0, /*maxtags*/0 + }, + { /* Default tagged queuing parameters for all devices */ { T_ANY, SIP_MEDIA_REMOVABLE|SIP_MEDIA_FIXED, --ELM907627604-28258-0_-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 16:05:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26662 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:05:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26640 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:05:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00462; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:09:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810052309.QAA00462@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Karl Denninger cc: Stefan Eggers , Tom Jackson , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /boot/boot.conf (was: Re: CRUSH after recompile kernel... ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:54:24 CDT." <19981005105424.B14649@Denninger.Net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 16:09:29 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Ok, how do you enable support for this? > > I rebuilt under ELF, and it installed the legacy bootstrap. At the moment, you need to manually install the loader: # cd /sys/boot # make depend && make all install then specify /boot/loader in /boot.config. This won't be the "default" way it works, it's just a stopgap until the boot1/boot2 replacement is finished. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 16:21:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29124 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:21:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29110 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:21:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00578; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:22:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810052322.QAA00578@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Terry Lambert cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), cracauer@cons.org, chuckr@mat.net, nate@mt.sri.com, osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:54:30 -0000." <199810051754.KAA20783@usr01.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 16:22:33 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > We already have a mechanism for allowing Solaris binaries to operate on > > FreeBSD; it will be committed shortly after 3.0 is released. > > Shared Solaris binaries? The code I saw only did static... Which were you looking at? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 16:22:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29402 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:22:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29394 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:22:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02995; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:22:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd002905; Mon Oct 5 16:22:32 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA29967; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:22:23 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810052322.QAA29967@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:22:23 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, mike@smith.net.au, cracauer@cons.org, chuckr@mat.net, nate@mt.sri.com, osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810052322.QAA00578@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Oct 5, 98 04:22:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > We already have a mechanism for allowing Solaris binaries to operate on > > > FreeBSD; it will be committed shortly after 3.0 is released. > > > > Shared Solaris binaries? The code I saw only did static... > > Which were you looking at? The one which was announced to the -current list by its author. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 16:33:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01404 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:33:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01381 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:33:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16333; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810052332.QAA16333@implode.root.com> To: Christopher Nielsen cc: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current panics.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 14:32:56 PDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 16:32:33 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> Properly tuned, FreeBSD will work just fine for large servers. You have to >> know what you are doing, however. This will be the case for ALL operating >> systems, not just FreeBSD. I'm not convinced that there are any "leaks" in >> FreeBSD. All of those that I have investigated have turned out to be just >> a large average number of TIME_WAIT connections that haven't timed out yet. >> The system must be configured with this in mind or you will run out of >> buffers. > >This same kind of situation can occur with a network-intensive app running >under Solaris, too. From my own experience with tuning OSs (specifically >Solaris 2.x), I'd agree with David's assessment. Not having delved that >far into the details of FreeBSD "leaks" as he probably has, I can't say >with certainty that there are none, but I'm inclined to believe him. :-) I should say here that I'm not saying that there aren't any "leak" bugs, either, just that I have looked into this several time and found nothing but mis-tuned systems. I'm also a bit incredulous since wcarchive does far more TCP/IP than most other machines in the world, has months of uptime and no detectable buffer leaks. I want to be clear about this: If there was a bug that I could identify, I'd fix it immediately. "Show me the mon^H^H^Hbug!" -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 16:37:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02118 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:37:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02103 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:37:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00720; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:42:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810052342.QAA00720@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Viren R. Shah" cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: boot loader problems.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:35:58 EDT." <199810052135.RAA01302@jabberwock.rstcorp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 16:42:34 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > [Let me preface this by saying that this is very probably my fault -- > I probably missed doing something] No, it's a known problem. > The loader can't figure out where it was loaded from -- thus it > defaults to disk0 (floppy drive). I can change the currdev setting to > disk1s3 and it boots up fine. There's a problem where the boot arguments are being scrubbed off the stack in some cases. I have systems where they come in fine, and some where they don't. We're still looking at this one. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 16:44:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA03659 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:44:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03654 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:44:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00749; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:46:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810052346.QAA00749@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Terry Lambert cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), cracauer@cons.org, chuckr@mat.net, nate@mt.sri.com, osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:22:23 -0000." <199810052322.QAA29967@usr04.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 16:46:12 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > We already have a mechanism for allowing Solaris binaries to operate on > > > > FreeBSD; it will be committed shortly after 3.0 is released. > > > > > > Shared Solaris binaries? The code I saw only did static... > > > > Which were you looking at? > > The one which was announced to the -current list by its author. The one that contains installation instructions that describe the process of either symlinking or installing the shared libraries, so that you can run things like 'vi' and 'telnet'? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 16:54:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05382 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:54:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05335 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:54:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA14232; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:53:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from aridius-42.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.66.169) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma014163; Mon Oct 5 18:53:35 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981005185046.0078c198@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 18:50:46 -0500 To: dg@root.com From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: -current panics.. Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810051526.IAA12441@implode.root.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 08:26 AM 10/5/98 -0700, David Greenman wrote: >>It comes out (once again, emprecially) that this is somehow caused >>by NMBCLUSTERS being >12288. Strange, since I recall wcarchive has it set to >>1024*48 or something, right? > > Wcarchive does NOT run a standard kernel. It has various tweaks, such as >greatly expanded kernel virtual address space, which are specific to that >machine and not appropriate for 99.999% of FreeBSD users. NMBCLUSTERS on >wcarchive is currently set to 80000, but will need to be doubled again to >160000 before we can support 10000 concurrent users. The VM is evenly split >for 2GB for user processes and 2GB for the kernel (contrast that with >standard FreeBSD which is 3.75GB user and .25GB kernel). Does this mean the readme is out of date: ftp.freebsd.org || ftp.cdrom.com Welcome to wcarchive - home FTP site for Walnut Creek CDROM. There are currently 3196 users out of 3200 possible. .... This machine is a P6/200 with 1GB of memory & 1/2 terabyte of RAID 5. The operating system is FreeBSD. Should you wish to get your own copy of --- Hmmm... Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 16:55:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05643 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:55:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05631 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:55:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24248; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:54:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd024187; Mon Oct 5 16:54:29 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA25814; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:54:16 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810052354.QAA25814@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: What would it take to build the FreeBSD kernel into Portable Executable (PE) format? To: ctapang@easystreet.com (Carlos C. Tapang) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:54:16 +0000 (GMT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <000701bdec02$92e7dac0$0d787880@apex> from "Carlos C. Tapang" at Sep 29, 98 04:40:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I have been watching with interest your progress in converting from aout to > ELF. I am not ELFish and am seriously considering the idea of starting all > over and converting, at least the FreeBSD core kernel, into Microsoft's PE > format. I understand that one of the things that need to be done is to > change the bootloader to recognize the PE format. Are there other things I > need to change? (The application loader will need to be modified also, of > course). You should look at: http://www.microsoft.com/win32dev/base/pefile.htm Which describes portable executable format. > You are probably wondering, what for? Well, this is just the start of a much > bigger project I am contemplating. I am thinking of starting a project along > the lines of WINE, a Windows emulator for Linux. But instead of just an > emulator, I want to build a Windows clone. The clone will use the FreeBSD > core kernel (use process/task/thread management, virtual memory modules > only). I'm sure most of you will have a strong opinion one way or another > about this. Let's hear them! I like this idea. I think the only way to kill Windows is to make something that can do Windows job. I believe this will freeze the ABI at a particular revision. I think LessTif, if successful, will do the same to Motif. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 16:57:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06218 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:57:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.webwizard.net.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06189 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:57:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Received: from webwizard.org.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by dns.webwizard.net.mx (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA16203; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:50:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Message-ID: <36195B5F.785D71A2@webwizard.org.mx> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 18:50:55 -0500 From: Edwin Culp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gilad Rom CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with 3-stage bootloader References: <361946F8.86389BA9@ein-hashofet.co.il> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gilad Rom wrote: > Hi, > > I have installed the new bootloader(CVSupped Monday morning), > recompiled my KERNEL as ELF, added "options FFS_ROOT", > did a "disklabel -B wd0", and happily rebooted. > > the new bootloader showed up, telling me about drive 0/drive1 and some > more BIOs information, when suddenly I got this message: > > FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader.... > > (lickyou@pentium, Mon Oct 5 20:21:30 GMT 1998) > Can't work out which disk we are booting from. > Guessed BIOS device 0xffffffff not found by probes, defaulting to disk > 0: > > can't open `/boot/boot.conf`: input/output error > > drive A: with no success and then drops me to the command > line prompt) > > When I type "load disk1c:/kernel" from the command line it loads the > kernel, > then I type "boot" and it appears to boot fine, filesystem checks OK, > but I get the infamous "mount: /dev/wd0s2a on /: specifed device does > not > match mounted device" when trying to mount the root device. > (from then, It just boots single user with the root filesystem read > only). I changed my fstab back to /dev/wd0a from /dev/wd0s1a and everything works fine. I also recommend that you change the variable from the loader prompt to disk1a with disk0a > set varable_name_from_show=disk1a disk1a > load kernel disk1a > boot If not I couldn't get dmesg, netstat, top, etc to work. Your kernel is thought to be /disk1c:kernel. Hope this helps. ed > > > I have reserved my aout kernel as /kernel.aout and I can boot it just > fine > at the "boot:" prompt, all filesystem checks are OK and mount does not > complain. > > a copy of my dmesg and /etc/fstab, just to be sure: > > Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. > Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights > reserved. > FreeBSD 3.0-BETA #13: Sun Oct 4 20:32:31 GMT 1998 > lickyou@pentium:/usr/src/sys/compile/KERNEL > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz cost 1483 ns > Timecounter "TSC" frequency 230955312 Hz cost 94 ns > CPU: Pentium/P55C (230.96-MHz 586-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x543 Stepping=3 > Features=0x8001bf > real memory = 100663296 (98304K bytes) > avail memory = 95846400 (93600K bytes) > Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: > chip0: rev 0xb3 on > pci0.0.0 > chip1: rev 0xb4 on > pci0.2.0 > vga0: rev 0x9a on pci0.5.0 > ide_pci0: rev 0x20 int a irq 0 > on pci0.11.0 > ide_pci: controller is simplex, no DMA on secondary channel > Probing for devices on the ISA bus: > sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard > sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> > sio1 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa > sio1: type 16550A > sio2 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa > sio2: type 16550A > pcm0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 on isa > fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa > fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold > wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0x80ff on isa > wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): , 32-bit, multi-block-16 > wd0: 4104MB (8406720 sectors), 8896 cyls, 15 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S > wdc0: unit 1 (atapi): , removable, accel, > dma, iordy > wcd0: 0/1718Kb/sec, 128Kb cache, audio play, 255 volume levels, > ejectable tray > wcd0: no disc inside, unlocked > npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard > npx0: INT 16 interface > Intel Pentium F00F detected, installing workaround > changing root device to wd0s2a > ffs_mountfs: superblock updated > > /etc/fstab has: > > # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump > Pass# > /dev/wd0s2b none swap sw 0 > 0 > /dev/wd0s2a / ufs rw 1 > 1 > /dev/wd0s2f /usr ufs rw,async 2 > 2 > /dev/wd0s2e /var ufs rw 2 > 2 > proc /proc procfs rw 0 > 0 > /dev/wcd0a /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 > 0 > /dev/wd0s1 /dos msdos rw,noauto 0 > 0 > > Bye, Gilad. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 16:58:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06622 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:58:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06586 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:58:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25834; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:58:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd025743; Mon Oct 5 16:58:39 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA25982; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:58:22 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810052358.QAA25982@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? To: sthaug@nethelp.no Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:58:22 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, chuckr@mat.net, green@zone.syracuse.net, cracauer@cons.org, nate@mt.sri.com, osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <24221.907533243@verdi.nethelp.no> from "sthaug@nethelp.no" at Oct 4, 98 10:34:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > On the other hand, ther Motif libraries don't make system calls directly, > > only indirectly through libXt. > > A small extract from "nm libXm.so | grep ' U ' | sort -u" on the Solaris > X86 libXm.so: > > U access > U getgid > U getuid > U poll > U sigaction > U sigprocmask > > Sure looks to me like the Solaris Motif library makes system calls... These are undefined. That means it gets them from the libc. It is the libc that makes the system calls. Have you identified any system calls taking structure arguments, where the structure definitions are different between FreeBSD and Solaris? That is the real kicker. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 17:00:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06876 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:00:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06802 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:59:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA03970; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:00:07 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199810060000.KAA03970@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: make buildworld failure (fix included ?) In-Reply-To: <199810051918.VAA03703@internal> from Andre Albsmeier at "Oct 5, 98 09:18:37 pm" To: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (Andre Albsmeier) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:00:06 +1000 (EST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andre Albsmeier wrote: > When the INFODIR environment variable is set, "make buildworld" > fails. This is the same problem as desribed in PR# 6138. > It has been solved by removing share/info from build-tools in > /usr/src/Makefile. This was done for -STABLE in version > 1.109.2.28 and for -current in version 1.176 by bde. > > However, I assume during the E-day transition this bug was > reintroduced in Makefile.inc1. Now we find it here in the > lib-tools: target. > > I think if it can be fixed the same way as before (by removing > it simply from Makefile.inc1)... > > What do you think? I've done one upgrade build with share/info removed as you suggest and without setting INFODIR. That worked. I need to try one with INFODIR. Each test takes a while. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 17:01:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07280 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:01:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07206; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:00:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19557; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:00:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd019535; Mon Oct 5 17:00:48 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA26040; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:00:44 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810060000.RAA26040@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Problems with Kerberos and /etc/auth.conf To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:00:44 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, markm@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <18270.907534247@gjp.erols.com> from "Gary Palmer" at Oct 4, 98 04:50:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The fact that there are FAQ's at all implies that FreeBSD is failing > > POLA at some baser level... > > Perhaps. But on the other hand, there are much more important problems > facing FreeBSD than a bad, or poorly thought out UI, such as lingering > VM and FS bugs. FAQ: Why, when I run out of swap, do inetd and sendmail quit working? A: FreeBSD's VM is broken. I think it falls under the same umbrealla. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 17:05:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08149 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:05:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08075 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:05:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA16650; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810060004.RAA16650@implode.root.com> To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current panics.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 18:50:46 CDT." <3.0.3.32.19981005185046.0078c198@207.227.119.2> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:04:37 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >At 08:26 AM 10/5/98 -0700, David Greenman wrote: >>>It comes out (once again, emprecially) that this is somehow caused >>>by NMBCLUSTERS being >12288. Strange, since I recall wcarchive has it set to >>>1024*48 or something, right? >> >> Wcarchive does NOT run a standard kernel. It has various tweaks, such as >>greatly expanded kernel virtual address space, which are specific to that >>machine and not appropriate for 99.999% of FreeBSD users. NMBCLUSTERS on >>wcarchive is currently set to 80000, but will need to be doubled again to >>160000 before we can support 10000 concurrent users. The VM is evenly split >>for 2GB for user processes and 2GB for the kernel (contrast that with >>standard FreeBSD which is 3.75GB user and .25GB kernel). > >Does this mean the readme is out of date: > >ftp.freebsd.org || ftp.cdrom.com > >Welcome to wcarchive - home FTP site for Walnut Creek CDROM. >There are currently 3196 users out of 3200 possible. > >.... > >This machine is a P6/200 with 1GB of memory & 1/2 terabyte of RAID 5. >The operating system is FreeBSD. Should you wish to get your own copy of virtual memory != physical memory. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 17:06:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08511 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:06:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08403 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:06:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA28594; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:06:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd028520; Mon Oct 5 17:06:23 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA26324; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:06:08 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810060006.RAA26324@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: something is leaking To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:06:07 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, mike@smith.net.au, eivind@yes.no, alk@pobox.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810050454.WAA01596@mt.sri.com> from "Nate Williams" at Oct 4, 98 10:54:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I can guarantee Netscape won't grow out of all proportion if you run > > it on a machine other than the machine where the display is running, > > since I and a number of collegues have been doing it this way for a > > year or more without the crashes that everyone complains about. > > Really? Guarantee? What kind of reward do I get if your guarantee > fails? You get to crash your X server, as before. Wheeeee! > (The box *running* Netscape (3.04, the latest) is running FreeBSD 2.1.7, > and the box *displaying* it is running 2.2-stable, and netscape gets > *way* out of control all the time, and must be restarted on a weekly > basis. What in particular is getting out of control? BTW, 3.04 is *not* "the latest"... > The netscape in question runs my wife's email and she also does the > occasional bit of 'surfing', but is very lightly used. > > What do I win? :) The right to upgrade, and the right to seperate NetScape memory leaks from shared NetScape/server memory leaks? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 17:08:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08814 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:08:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08739 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:07:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12410; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:07:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd012347; Mon Oct 5 17:07:24 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA26398; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:07:17 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810060007.RAA26398@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: something is leaking To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:07:17 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, mike@smith.net.au, eivind@yes.no, alk@pobox.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810050454.WAA01596@mt.sri.com> from "Nate Williams" at Oct 4, 98 10:54:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The netscape in question runs my wife's email and she also does the > occasional bit of 'surfing', but is very lightly used. PS: Congradulations! I didn't know you had gotten married! Was this supposed to be stealth, or did you just not tell everyone? Or did I just miss it? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 17:09:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09390 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:09:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09327 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:09:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA20134; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:39:10 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA29733; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:39:00 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981006093900.U27781@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:39:00 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Doug Rabson , "David O'Brien" Cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: linker/loader? (was: ELF kernel?) References: <19981005060822.B9542@nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Doug Rabson on Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 08:35:00PM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 5 October 1998 at 20:35:00 +0100, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, David O'Brien wrote: > >>> They become KLD modules. >> >> How does one expand this? Kernel Loadable ??Device?? > > It was a pun on ld(1) which is the user space linker, thus "Kernel LD" > becomes KLD. And ld in turn goes back to the days when the linker (which links modules) and the loader (which got them into memory before the days of virtual memory) were the same thing. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 17:19:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12183 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:19:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA12167 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:19:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zQKq3-0002nS-00; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:18:51 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA03313; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:18:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199810060018.SAA03313@harmony.village.org> To: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: Long IDE probes? Cc: karl@Denninger.Net (Karl Denninger), tom@uniserve.com, dnelson@emsphone.com, bright@hotjobs.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Oct 1998 02:19:53 -0000." <199810010219.TAA20771@usr01.primenet.com> References: <199810010219.TAA20771@usr01.primenet.com> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 18:18:34 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199810010219.TAA20771@usr01.primenet.com> Terry Lambert writes: : A better question: is there *ANYONE* out there that has a bootable : IDE or SCSI device that FreeBSD detects, but which the BIOS POST : display does not show as being present in the machine? My boot disk shows up just fine, but my ATAPI tape drive doesn't show up in the BIOS scan.... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 17:21:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12818 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:21:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12803 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:21:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA24602; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:20:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd024449; Mon Oct 5 17:20:22 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA27024; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:20:10 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810060020.RAA27024@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:20:10 +0000 (GMT) Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no, tlambert@primenet.com, chuckr@mat.net, green@zone.syracuse.net, cracauer@cons.org, nate@mt.sri.com, osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810052358.QAA25982@usr05.primenet.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Oct 5, 98 11:58:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > These are undefined. That means it gets them from the libc. It is the > libc that makes the system calls. PS: This distinction is important, in that the call mechanism for FreeBSD and Solaris need not be the same, and thus direct calls to the Solaris call gate mechanism will fail for a FreeBSD binary unless FreeBSD implementes as it's native ABI the IABI (Which is what Solaris implements). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 17:21:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12880 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:21:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12856 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:21:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27260; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:21:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd027103; Mon Oct 5 17:21:14 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA27102; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:21:07 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810060021.RAA27102@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Long IDE probes? To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:21:07 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, karl@Denninger.Net, tom@uniserve.com, dnelson@emsphone.com, bright@hotjobs.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810060018.SAA03313@harmony.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Oct 5, 98 06:18:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > : A better question: is there *ANYONE* out there that has a bootable > : IDE or SCSI device that FreeBSD detects, but which the BIOS POST > : display does not show as being present in the machine? > > My boot disk shows up just fine, but my ATAPI tape drive doesn't show > up in the BIOS scan.... I think your BIOS is trying to tell you something about your taste in hardware. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 17:41:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17899 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:41:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA17882 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:41:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zQLC1-0002o7-00; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:41:33 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA03413; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:41:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199810060041.SAA03413@harmony.village.org> To: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: Long IDE probes? Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:21:07 -0000." <199810060021.RAA27102@usr05.primenet.com> References: <199810060021.RAA27102@usr05.primenet.com> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 18:41:16 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199810060021.RAA27102@usr05.primenet.com> Terry Lambert writes: : I think your BIOS is trying to tell you something about your taste : in hardware. 8-). The ATAPI tape drive was so much cheaper than the SCSI tape drives that I could get two of them and send one off to Denmark for driver development. And it was still $100 cheaper.... Then there is the $0.50 drive I got "as is" I purcahsed at a garage sale which works perfectly for over 100G of backups... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 17:46:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18890 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:46:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18804 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:45:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA04580 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:45:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:45:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 3.0-981004-BETA observations Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello all... I had the opportunity to test out installing and fiddling with the latest beta a bit today. I have a lonely P90 that I was debugging (turned out to be a disk problem - heh :/) and wanted to slap FreeBSD on it, and now that wcarchive is back .... :) Things I ran into: 1. The disk in it originally had 2.2.1 in dedicated mode installed on it. I went through sysinstall's 'Express' feature, removing the old partition and putting a new one on and making a Greg Lehey Monolithic(tm) layout. At the commit step, for some reason newfs wigged out on it, reporting: newfs: ioctl(WDINFO): cross-device link newfs: /dev/rwd0s1a: can't rewrite disk label Exiting back to the main menu and going through 'express' again worked fine. Go figure. 2. When booting, the machine emits three beeps before displaying the boot: prompt. I tried this on two Micron PhoenixBIOS 4.04 machines. I didn't have my laptop's floppy drive or I'd try it too. 3. The new improved SB Vibra support is heads & shoulders better than 2.2.7 :-) It doesn't break up when playing MP3s using xaudio. The SB32/VibraC in the aformentioned machine hums long nicely. I need to test it with X11Amp tho. Thanks Luigi! That's my notes so far ... looking good! Doug White Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 18:19:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26283 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:19:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA26271 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:18:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfieber@fallout.campusview.indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA05014; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:18:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:18:46 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Terry Lambert cc: Nate Williams , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: something is leaking In-Reply-To: <199810060007.RAA26398@usr05.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > The netscape in question runs my wife's email and she also does the > > occasional bit of 'surfing', but is very lightly used. > > PS: Congradulations! I didn't know you had gotten married! Was > this supposed to be stealth, or did you just not tell everyone? > Or did I just miss it? Check the mailing list archives. Nate's been mentioning a wife since at least 1995, which is about as far back as the archives go. -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 18:25:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27159 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:25:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27122 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:25:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA20454; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:55:02 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id KAA29862; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:54:48 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981006105447.Z27781@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:54:47 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Alfred Perlstein , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: lockups under 3.0 sorry References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Alfred Perlstein on Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 06:15:08PM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 5 October 1998 at 18:15:08 -0500, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > i'm sorry i don't really have anything about this crash/lockup however it > is sorta reproduceable. > > using pine 4.02 on an mail file that's on an NFS partition. > sometimes while expunging messages the machine will lock hard, no reboot. > > i know this kinda bug report sucks but this has been happening > occasionally for the last 2 weeks. Can't you install ddb and use it to take a dump? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 18:46:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29605 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:46:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA29572 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:46:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA02419; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:47:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:47:17 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: Greg Lehey cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: lockups under 3.0 sorry In-Reply-To: <19981006105447.Z27781@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG not after the last time i enable crashdumps and mistook my /usr for my swap partition. sorry this is my machine at work and can't rebuild it again. perhaps i'll sneak a way do to a full system backup soon and see if i can get it again. but for now crashdumps are off (i got bitten by that at home too) rebuilding 2 boxes in one week was rough. Alfred Perlstein - Programmer, HotJobs Inc. - www.hotjobs.com -- There are operating systems, and then there's FreeBSD. -- http://www.freebsd.org/ 3.0-current On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Monday, 5 October 1998 at 18:15:08 -0500, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > > i'm sorry i don't really have anything about this crash/lockup however it > > is sorta reproduceable. > > > > using pine 4.02 on an mail file that's on an NFS partition. > > sometimes while expunging messages the machine will lock hard, no reboot. > > > > i know this kinda bug report sucks but this has been happening > > occasionally for the last 2 weeks. > > Can't you install ddb and use it to take a dump? > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers > finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 18:58:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01137 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:58:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01130 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:58:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA11252; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:57:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" cc: dg@root.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: -current panics.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 18:50:46 CDT." <3.0.3.32.19981005185046.0078c198@207.227.119.2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:57:34 -0400 Message-ID: <11248.907639054@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jeffrey J. Mountin" wrote in message ID <3.0.3.32.19981005185046.0078c198@207.227.119.2>: > This machine is a P6/200 with 1GB of memory & 1/2 terabyte of RAID 5. > The operating system is FreeBSD. Should you wish to get your own copy of Virtual Memory != Physical Memory. i.e. david is referring to virtual address space, the machine still only has a gig of memory. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 19:39:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA07706 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:39:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA07671 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:39:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA12360; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:39:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA13089; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:39:05 -0600 Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:39:05 -0600 Message-Id: <199810060239.UAA13089@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Terry Lambert Cc: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams), mike@smith.net.au, eivind@yes.no, alk@pobox.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: something is leaking In-Reply-To: <199810060007.RAA26398@usr05.primenet.com> References: <199810050454.WAA01596@mt.sri.com> <199810060007.RAA26398@usr05.primenet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The netscape in question runs my wife's email and she also does the > > occasional bit of 'surfing', but is very lightly used. > > PS: Congradulations! I didn't know you had gotten married! Was > this supposed to be stealth, or did you just not tell everyone? I've been married for over 8 years. Longer than I've been involved in FreeBSD. :) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 19:57:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11350 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:57:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11332 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:57:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01789; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:00:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810060300.UAA01789@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Edwin Culp cc: Rik Schneider , "Larry S. Marso" , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: odd /stand directory In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 13:53:22 CDT." <361915A2.8870E5AE@webwizard.org.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 20:00:19 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Rik Schneider wrote: > > > What you are seeing is a single file with 19 links. If you want to make > > sure of that you can run du -k (as a not root user) or ls -i on the > > /stand directory. > > > > In my case that isn't true. I have nice sequential inodes:-), although what you're saying makes a lot more sense. I > think I will test and change it, but I don't understand how it got that way in the first place. You must have backed up and restored badly. /stand is only ever written by sysinstall during the early phase of the installation, and it always links everything together. You should expect the inode numbers to be around 20 or so. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 19:59:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11776 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:59:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11744 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:59:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01806; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:02:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810060302.UAA01806@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" cc: joe@pavilion.net (Josef Karthauser), grog@lemis.com, FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD3.0-BETA crash! In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 14:08:20 MDT." <199810052008.OAA27385@panzer.plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 20:02:06 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count is < 0! > > There are three possible culprits in your system: the floppy driver, the > IDE disk driver and the IDE CD driver. Which one were you using when the > devstat messages appeared? > > Whichever one it was, someone who understands it (Mike?) should probably > take a look at the driver and see whether we're getting transactions > completed twice, or transactions that get completed, but were never > started. A really good start would be for the "HELP" message to include the *name* of the device for which the busy count was going < 0. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 20:11:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13979 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:11:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from null.cs.rpi.edu (null.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.8.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA13974 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:11:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crossd@null.cs.rpi.edu) Received: from localhost (crossd@localhost) by null.cs.rpi.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA02203; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:11:11 -0400 From: "David E. Cross" To: Terry Lambert cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Long IDE probes? In-Reply-To: <199810060021.RAA27102@usr05.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > : A better question: is there *ANYONE* out there that has a bootable > > : IDE or SCSI device that FreeBSD detects, but which the BIOS POST > > : display does not show as being present in the machine? > > I have had to disable my BIOS from scanning my IDE drives, so it will not probe them at all. -- David Cross To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 20:17:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14930 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:17:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA14920 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:17:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01921; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:22:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810060322.UAA01921@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Edwin Culp cc: Gilad Rom , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with 3-stage bootloader In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 18:50:55 CDT." <36195B5F.785D71A2@webwizard.org.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 20:22:35 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Gilad Rom wrote: > > > > When I type "load disk1c:/kernel" from the command line it loads the > > kernel, > > then I type "boot" and it appears to boot fine, filesystem checks OK, > > but I get the infamous "mount: /dev/wd0s2a on /: specifed device does > > not > > match mounted device" when trying to mount the root device. > > (from then, It just boots single user with the root filesystem read > > only). > > I changed my fstab back to /dev/wd0a from /dev/wd0s1a and everything works Don't do that. Boot from the correct device, ie. if your root device is wd0s1a, boot from disk0s1a. I'll have to add code to cause this old syntax to break, I see. > If not I couldn't get dmesg, netstat, top, etc to work. Your kernel is > thought to be /disk1c:kernel. That's definitely a bug. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 20:21:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA15638 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:21:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA15625 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:21:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01958; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:26:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810060326.UAA01958@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Doug White cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0-981004-BETA observations In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:45:54 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 20:26:14 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hello all... > > I had the opportunity to test out installing and fiddling with the latest > beta a bit today. I have a lonely P90 that I was debugging (turned out to > be a disk problem - heh :/) and wanted to slap FreeBSD on it, and now that > wcarchive is back .... :) > > Things I ran into: > > 1. The disk in it originally had 2.2.1 in dedicated mode installed on it. > I went through sysinstall's 'Express' feature, removing the old > partition and putting a new one on and making a Greg Lehey > Monolithic(tm) layout. At the commit step, for some reason newfs wigged > out on it, reporting: > > newfs: ioctl(WDINFO): cross-device link > newfs: /dev/rwd0s1a: can't rewrite disk label Weird stuff. > 2. When booting, the machine emits three beeps before displaying the > boot: prompt. I tried this on two Micron PhoenixBIOS 4.04 machines. > I didn't have my laptop's floppy drive or I'd try it too. This should only happen on the install floppy; it's a usability feature which cues unsighted users to type '-h' to switch to a serial console. (Seriously) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 21:01:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21518 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:01:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smarter.than.nu (lal-99-91.Reshall.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.99.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21508 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:01:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smarter.than.nu (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA13695 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:03:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:03:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian W. Buchanan" X-Sender: brian@smarter.than.nu To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: sysinstall/XFree86 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but I haven't seen it on the list recently, so here goes... If one installs the XFree86 distribution when using sysinstall to install 3.0-BETA, the package installation is not recorded, causing attempts to install X11-dependant packages to fail or at least complain (I forget which). Someone in my building had this problem recently, and I found that after the main distributions were installed, /var/db/pkg/XFree86-3.3.2 was missing. Creating it from the emergency holographic shell resolved the problem. -- Brian Buchanan brian@smarter.than.nu brian@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 21:02:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21899 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:02:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21868 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:02:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA21081; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:31:38 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id NAA01573; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:31:17 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981006133117.V27781@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:31:17 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith , Edwin Culp Cc: Rik Schneider , "Larry S. Marso" , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: odd /stand directory References: <361915A2.8870E5AE@webwizard.org.mx> <199810060300.UAA01789@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199810060300.UAA01789@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 08:00:19PM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Format autorecovered at freebie.lemis.com] On Monday, 5 October 1998 at 20:00:19 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >> Rik Schneider wrote: >> >>> What you are seeing is a single file with 19 links. If you want to make >>> sure of that you can run du -k (as a not root user) or ls -i on the >>> /stand directory. >>> >> >> In my case that isn't true. I have nice sequential inodes:-), >> although what you're saying makes a lot more sense. I think I will >> test and change it, but I don't understand how it got that way in >> the first place. > > You must have backed up and restored badly. /stand is only ever written > by sysinstall during the early phase of the installation, and it always > links everything together. You should expect the inode numbers to be > around 20 or so. If you look at his original message, that's what you saw (19 of them). This just doesn't tally with the claim that they're all different inodes, unless there are 18 copies of each inode somewhere else. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 21:05:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22738 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:05:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22719 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:05:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dgobe@mcs.net) Received: from mcs.net (dgobe.pr.mcs.net [204.137.234.195]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id XAA19931 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:05:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <36199704.EC9E1DD@mcs.net> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:05:24 -0500 From: "David A. Gobeille" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: MAKEDEV broken? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Using CURRENT as of ~Oct. 3, when trying to make cd* devices, the /dev/MAKEDEV script does not create the nodes that it should. Check me if I'm wrong, but if you issue the command: (as root in /dev) ./MAKEDEV cd1 <-- that's a one also tried ./MAKEDEV cd1* ./MAKEDEV cd* you should get cd1a ... cd1h + the raw character devices. You don't. -- Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 21:18:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25927 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:18:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA25908 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:18:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16538; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:18:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Doug White cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0-981004-BETA observations In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:45:54 PDT." Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:18:38 -0700 Message-ID: <16534.907647518@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > newfs: ioctl(WDINFO): cross-device link > newfs: /dev/rwd0s1a: can't rewrite disk label "Weird." I've never seen that, but I'll keep my eyes open. > 2. When booting, the machine emits three beeps before displaying the > boot: prompt. I tried this on two Micron PhoenixBIOS 4.04 machines. That's for Max, who's blind and needs a little beeping. :) You can turn it off at any time by editing /boot.help - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 21:22:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26964 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:22:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA26959 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:22:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16579; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:22:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Alfred Perlstein cc: Greg Lehey , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: lockups under 3.0 sorry In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:47:17 CDT." Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:22:01 -0700 Message-ID: <16575.907647721@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > not after the last time i enable crashdumps and mistook my /usr for my > swap partition. sorry this is my machine at work and can't rebuild it My crashdumps are all working fine, but of course you still have to not specify your /usr partition as a crashdump location. Doing that is bad juju. Aim gun at foot. Fire until magazine is empty. That kinda bad juju. Having always specified my swap partitions correctly, on the other hand, and I've never had a crashdump overwrite anything I didn't want overwritten. Not once. And I take a lot of crashdumps in my testing, on multiple machines, using the latest -current and -stable, so I'm inclined to blame the operator over the software in this series of incidents since I have absolutely no reason to believe otherwise given the evidence available for examination. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 21:25:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA27391 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:25:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA27364 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:25:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id WAA00802; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:25:00 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199810060425.WAA00802@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD3.0-BETA crash! In-Reply-To: <199810060302.UAA01806@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Oct 5, 98 08:02:06 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Cc: ken@plutotech.com, joe@pavilion.net, grog@lemis.com, FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote... > > > devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count is < 0! > > > > There are three possible culprits in your system: the floppy driver, the > > IDE disk driver and the IDE CD driver. Which one were you using when the > > devstat messages appeared? > > > > Whichever one it was, someone who understands it (Mike?) should probably > > take a look at the driver and see whether we're getting transactions > > completed twice, or transactions that get completed, but were never > > started. > > A really good start would be for the "HELP" message to include the > *name* of the device for which the busy count was going < 0. 8) Done. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 21:34:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA29548 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:34:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29522 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:34:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost by echonyc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA10476; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:34:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Snob Art Genre Reply-To: ben@rosengart.com To: Doug White cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0-981004-BETA observations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Doug White wrote: > 1. The disk in it originally had 2.2.1 in dedicated mode installed on it. > I went through sysinstall's 'Express' feature, removing the old > partition and putting a new one on and making a Greg Lehey > Monolithic(tm) layout. At the commit step, for some reason newfs wigged > out on it, reporting: > > newfs: ioctl(WDINFO): cross-device link > newfs: /dev/rwd0s1a: can't rewrite disk label > > Exiting back to the main menu and going through 'express' again worked > fine. Go figure. I've been running into something similar: when newfsing /dev/rsd1f by hand, I get: newfs: ioctl(WDINFO): inappropriate ioctl for device newfs: /dev/rsd1f: can't rewrite disk label And when I run newfs again immediately, same arguments, I don't get the messages. Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 22:02:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03164 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:02:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA03147 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:02:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from mail.siemens.de (salomon.siemens.de [139.23.33.13]) by david.siemens.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA29775 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:02:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (daemon@curry.mchp.siemens.de [146.180.31.23]) by mail.siemens.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA20786 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:02:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25191 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:02:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Andre Albsmeier Message-Id: <199810060502.HAA06745@internal> Subject: Re: make buildworld failure (fix included ?) In-Reply-To: <199810060000.KAA03970@cimlogic.com.au> from John Birrell at "Oct 6, 1998 10: 0: 6 am" To: jb@cimlogic.com.au (John Birrell) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:02:03 +0200 (CEST) Cc: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Andre Albsmeier wrote: > > When the INFODIR environment variable is set, "make buildworld" > > fails. This is the same problem as desribed in PR# 6138. > > It has been solved by removing share/info from build-tools in > > /usr/src/Makefile. This was done for -STABLE in version > > 1.109.2.28 and for -current in version 1.176 by bde. > > > > However, I assume during the E-day transition this bug was > > reintroduced in Makefile.inc1. Now we find it here in the > > lib-tools: target. > > > > I think if it can be fixed the same way as before (by removing > > it simply from Makefile.inc1)... > > > > What do you think? > > I've done one upgrade build with share/info removed as you suggest > and without setting INFODIR. That worked. I need to try one with INFODIR. > Each test takes a while. They should both work since I have tested both :-) Thanks for looking at it. -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 22:15:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05142 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:15:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from locnar.eng.mindspring.net (locnar.eng.mindspring.net [207.69.192.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA05126 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:15:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sevn@mindspring.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by locnar.eng.mindspring.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA14214 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 01:13:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sevn@mindspring.net) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 01:13:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Wilson X-Sender: sevn@locnar.eng.mindspring.net To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: qt-1.40 hosed? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just cvsupped and did the make world thing recompiles the kernel rebooted, etc. That all went really smooth. Good job guys. I'm running 3.0 current a.out on a pent pro 200 single processor. 2940 UW. Cam is working fine, although things seem slower. I cd'd to /usr/ports/x11/kde and did a make install clean and this is what happened: ld: /usr/lib/c++rt0.o: No such file or directory mv: rename libqt.so.1.40 to ../lib/libqt.so.1.40: No such file o gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work/ cd tutorial; gmake gmake[1]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work l' cd t1; gmake gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work l/t1' g++ -L/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work/qt-1.40/lib -L/usr/X11R n.o -lqt -lX11 ld: -lqt: no match gmake[2]: *** [t1] Error 1 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work/ /t1' gmake[1]: *** [t1] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work/ ' gmake: *** [tutorial] Error 2 *** Error code 2 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling all the relevant stuff, going so far as to remove the distfiles: qt-1.40 gmake-3.77 Mesa-3.0 XFree86-3.3.2 jpeg-6b giflib-3.0 No dice. After playing with this for about 8 hours, including trying to modify the MakeFile, I'm stumped. I didn't want to bug the maintainer because I'm not 100% sure that I'm not doing something stupid, so I figured I'd bug everyone else. ; ) TIA Scott Wilson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 22:16:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05383 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:16:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from priscilla.mu.org (priscilla.mu.org [206.152.116.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA05378 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:16:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@priscilla.mu.org) Received: (from paul@localhost) by priscilla.mu.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA06985; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:15:52 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from paul) Message-ID: <19981006001552.A6961@mu.org> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:15:52 -0500 From: Paul Saab To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0-981004-BETA observations References: <16534.907647518@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i In-Reply-To: <16534.907647518@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 09:18:38PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan K. Hubbard (jkh@time.cdrom.com) wrote: > > newfs: ioctl(WDINFO): cross-device link > > newfs: /dev/rwd0s1a: can't rewrite disk label > > "Weird." I've never seen that, but I'll keep my eyes open. I just got this also on a new install. It worked when I told sysinstall to commit again.. weird. paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 22:34:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA08495 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:34:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA08439 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:34:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA02670 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 01:35:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 01:35:38 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: lockups under 3.0 sorry In-Reply-To: <16575.907647721@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG maybe it was a devfs problem. i'm going to enable them on good faith, meaning i'll be sure to tell you on irc if it eats a different partition :P (i had devfs on both machines) Alfred Perlstein - Programmer, HotJobs Inc. - www.hotjobs.com -- There are operating systems, and then there's FreeBSD. -- http://www.freebsd.org/ 3.0-current On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > not after the last time i enable crashdumps and mistook my /usr for my > > swap partition. sorry this is my machine at work and can't rebuild it > > My crashdumps are all working fine, but of course you still have to > not specify your /usr partition as a crashdump location. Doing that > is bad juju. Aim gun at foot. Fire until magazine is empty. That > kinda bad juju. Having always specified my swap partitions correctly, > on the other hand, and I've never had a crashdump overwrite anything I > didn't want overwritten. Not once. And I take a lot of crashdumps in > my testing, on multiple machines, using the latest -current and > -stable, so I'm inclined to blame the operator over the software in > this series of incidents since I have absolutely no reason to believe > otherwise given the evidence available for examination. > > - Jordan > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 22:41:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA09718 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:41:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA09697 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:41:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfieber@fallout.campusview.indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA05525; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:41:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:41:08 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0-981004-BETA observations In-Reply-To: <16534.907647518@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > newfs: ioctl(WDINFO): cross-device link > > newfs: /dev/rwd0s1a: can't rewrite disk label > > "Weird." I've never seen that, but I'll keep my eyes open. Yes you have. :) I sent you email describing it, although I didn't have the exact error message. Nice to see that someone had duplicated it, being more careful to write it down. I too was using an existing disk layout that had been setup somewhere in the 2.2.x era, although it wasn't a dedicated disk. -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 23:16:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13249 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:16:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles100.castles.com [208.214.165.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13178 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:15:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00740; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:21:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810060621.XAA00740@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Gilad Rom cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with 3-stage bootloader In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 22:23:52 -0000." <361946F8.86389BA9@ein-hashofet.co.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:21:05 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > the new bootloader showed up, telling me about drive 0/drive1 and some > more BIOs information, when suddenly I got this message: > > FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader.... > > (lickyou@pentium, Mon Oct 5 20:21:30 GMT 1998) > Can't work out which disk we are booting from. > Guessed BIOS device 0xffffffff not found by probes, defaulting to disk > 0: This is a problem related to the preservation of the boot device information; on some machines it was being shot off into space. I've just committed a fix. > When I type "load disk1c:/kernel" from the command line it loads the > kernel, > then I type "boot" and it appears to boot fine, filesystem checks OK, > but I get the infamous "mount: /dev/wd0s2a on /: specifed device does > not > match mounted device" when trying to mount the root device. I can't imagine why you are trying to boot from "disk1c" when your root device is obviously "disk1s2c". -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 23:19:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13952 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:19:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (sf3-54.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.84.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13924 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:19:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA00563; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:22:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:22:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: Scott Wilson cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: qt-1.40 hosed? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Please report _any_ Qt bugs you have unearthed to qt-bugs@troll.no and not to a FreeBSD mailing list, otherwise the Trolls will have no idea that anything's wrong. - alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 23:47:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17008 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:47:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ceia.nordier.com (m2-57-dbn.dial-up.net [196.34.155.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA16999 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:47:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rnordier@nordier.com) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by ceia.nordier.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id IAA16836; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:46:47 +0200 (SAT) From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199810060646.IAA16836@ceia.nordier.com> Subject: Re: how to make biosboot? In-Reply-To: <13849.9211.157920.908344@avalon.east> from Tony Kimball at "Oct 5, 98 02:56:59 pm" To: alk@pobox.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:46:44 +0200 (SAT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id XAA17003 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tony Kimball wrote: > What is the pilot's error, below? > > /usr/src/sys/i386/boot > make > ... cc -O2 -malign-functions=0 -malign-jumps=0 -malign-loops=0 -mno-486 -DBOOTWAIT=5000 -DTIMEOUT= -DBOOTSEG=0x1000 -DBOOTSTACK=0xFFF0 -DDO_BAD144 -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wuninitialized -Wformat -fformat-extensions -ansi -DCOMCONSOLE=0x3F8 -DCONSPEED=9600 -nostdinc -I/usr/src/sys/i386/boot/biosboot/../../../../include -I/usr/src/sys/i386/boot/biosboot/../../.. -I/usr/src/sys/i386/boot/biosboot -N -T 0 -nostdlib -static -o boot start.o table.o boot2.o boot.o asm.o bios.o serial.o probe_keyboard.o io.o disk.o sys.o > /usr/libexec/elf/ld: cannot open linker script file 0: No such file or directory OBJFORMAT needs to be aout. The ld option -T usage has changed (from "-T 0" to "-Ttext 0") and this is causing the misleading error message. -- Robert Nordier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 5 23:54:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18181 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:54:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles100.castles.com [208.214.165.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18172 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:54:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00981; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:59:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810060659.XAA00981@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mike Smith cc: Gilad Rom , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with 3-stage bootloader In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:21:05 PDT." <199810060621.XAA00740@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:59:26 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > When I type "load disk1c:/kernel" from the command line it loads the > > kernel, > > then I type "boot" and it appears to boot fine, filesystem checks OK, > > but I get the infamous "mount: /dev/wd0s2a on /: specifed device does > > not > > match mounted device" when trying to mount the root device. > > I can't imagine why you are trying to boot from "disk1c" when your root > device is obviously "disk1s2c". ^^^^^^^^ disk1s2a -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 00:44:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA24146 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:44:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA24117 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:44:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA17330; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:44:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: "Brian W. Buchanan" cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sysinstall/XFree86 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:03:22 PDT." Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:44:30 -0700 Message-ID: <17327.907659870@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > If one installs the XFree86 distribution when using sysinstall to install > 3.0-BETA, the package installation is not recorded, causing attempts to Can you give me a version # for the BETA? This is supposed to be fixed, but I'm willing to believe more bogons exist. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 00:45:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA24295 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:45:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA24271 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:45:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA17345; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:45:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Alfred Perlstein cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: lockups under 3.0 sorry In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 01:35:38 CDT." Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:45:14 -0700 Message-ID: <17342.907659914@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > maybe it was a devfs problem. i'm going to enable them on good faith, I already told you to turn off DEVFS during this testing cycle. If you fail to heed explicit warnings like this, I cannot help you at all. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 01:07:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA28111 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 01:07:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from btp1da.phy.uni-bayreuth.de (btp1da.phy.uni-bayreuth.de [132.180.20.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA28103 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 01:07:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from croot@btp1da.phy.uni-bayreuth.de) Received: (from root@localhost) by btp1da.phy.uni-bayreuth.de (8.8.8/8.7.3) id KAA16918; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:06:11 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:06:10 +0200 (MEST) Organization: university of bayreuth From: Werner Griessl To: Scott Wilson Subject: RE: qt-1.40 hosed? Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 06-Oct-98 Scott Wilson wrote: > > I just cvsupped and did the make world thing recompiles the kernel > rebooted, etc. That all went really smooth. Good job guys. > > I'm running 3.0 current a.out on a pent pro 200 single processor. > > 2940 UW. Cam is working fine, although things seem slower. > > I cd'd to /usr/ports/x11/kde and did a > > make install clean > > and this is what happened: > > ld: /usr/lib/c++rt0.o: No such file or directory > mv: rename libqt.so.1.40 to ../lib/libqt.so.1.40: No such file o > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work/ > cd tutorial; gmake > gmake[1]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work > l' > cd t1; gmake > gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work > l/t1' > g++ -L/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work/qt-1.40/lib -L/usr/X11R > n.o -lqt -lX11 > ld: -lqt: no match > gmake[2]: *** [t1] Error 1 > gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work/ > /t1' > gmake[1]: *** [t1] Error 2 > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work/ > ' > gmake: *** [tutorial] Error 2 > *** Error code 2 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > > > > I tried uninstalling and reinstalling all the relevant stuff, going so far > as to remove the distfiles: > > qt-1.40 > gmake-3.77 > Mesa-3.0 > XFree86-3.3.2 > jpeg-6b > giflib-3.0 > > No dice. After playing with this for about 8 hours, including trying to > modify the MakeFile, I'm stumped. I didn't want to bug the maintainer > because I'm not 100% sure that I'm not doing something stupid, so I > figured I'd bug everyone else. ; ) > > TIA > > Scott Wilson > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message ---------------------------------- Hi Scott, Had the same problem yesterday ! I was only able to build kde with the egcs-port installed. Parts of kde seems to use /usr/local/bin/gcc instead of /usr/bin/cc . Werner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 02:07:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA07141 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:07:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA07136 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:07:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: from gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.30.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA20893 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA23211 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:06:58 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from kuku) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:06:58 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <199810060906.LAA23211@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE> To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: wd0: interrupt timeout Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is this a wd driver problem in -current or is my (a couple of months old Fujitsu 2.6 GB ) disk drive about to die? during fsck and before in a running system that built worlds but was tending to spuriously reboot in the past while running a very uptodate -current: wd0: interrupt timeout: wd0: status 59 error 40 wd0: wdtimeout() DMA status 4 wd0s1e: soft error reading fsbn 65 of 64-175 (wd0s1 bn 333889; cn 331 tn 3 sn 53) wd0: status 58 error 1 wd0s1e: hard error reading fsbn 67 of 64-175 (wd0s1 bn 333891; cn 331 tn 3 sn 54) wd0: status 59 error 40 ... wd0s1e: reverting to non-multi sector mode reading fsbn 64 of 64-79 ... and so on... -- Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 03:36:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA19316 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 03:36:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA19309 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 03:36:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from bergelmir.ifi.uio.no (2602@bergelmir.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.172]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id MAA29977; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:36:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by bergelmir.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:36:18 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dg@root.com Cc: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current panics.. References: <199810051526.IAA12441@implode.root.com> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 06 Oct 1998 12:36:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: David Greenman's message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 08:26:04 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id DAA19312 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Greenman writes: > Wcarchive does NOT run a standard kernel. It has various tweaks, such as > greatly expanded kernel virtual address space, which are specific to that > machine and not appropriate for 99.999% of FreeBSD users. NMBCLUSTERS on > wcarchive is currently set to 80000, but will need to be doubled again to > 160000 before we can support 10000 concurrent users. The VM is evenly split > for 2GB for user processes and 2GB for the kernel (contrast that with > standard FreeBSD which is 3.75GB user and .25GB kernel). Is there any quick way (as in "add this option to your kernel config") to augment the kernel's address space? If not, shouldn't there be one? DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 03:40:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA19885 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 03:40:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA19880 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 03:40:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: from gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.30.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA23871 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 03:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA23449 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:40:48 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from kuku) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:40:48 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <199810061040.MAA23449@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE> To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: install with de0 hangs Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG With the 3.0-19981004-SNAP I'm having difficulties seeng the (BNC) network. The de driver doesn't seem to enable the BNC port. Are there any flags I can set in the configuration dialog? -- Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 04:18:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA28053 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 04:18:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA28030 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 04:18:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA06063; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:16:45 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199810060916.KAA06063@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/isa/snd CARDS README ad1848.c dmabuf.c mss.h sb_dsp.c sbcard.h sound.c sound.h To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:16:44 +0100 (MET) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=" at Oct 6, 98 11:22:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Well, I can give you feedback anyway: I built world and kernel during > the night and swapped cards this morning before leaving for work. No > joy; I get sound when I cat a file to /dev/audio (didn't have an .au > file handy, but /etc/profile is as good as any), but not a squeak from > mpg123. I used to get looping sound, but now I get nothing at all. what can i say ? I just tried a -current kernel with OPTI931, CS4232, Vibra16C, Vibra16X and in all cases mpg123 worked fine. Only problem was to configure the card properly (on my test system the CS4232 is onboard, dma1 is hardwired to that chip and not available on the ISA bus, and there are a few other config problems that force me to manually configure the second or third audio card). Remember the settings for the Vibra16X are different from other cards. The only (very minor) problem was in capture, because the default volume setting for the mic (15) means "mute" and i have to raise it to see data different from silence coming out of /dev/audio1 cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 04:24:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA29036 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 04:24:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA29024 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 04:24:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from bergelmir.ifi.uio.no (2602@bergelmir.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.172]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id NAA07885; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:24:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by bergelmir.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:24:17 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/isa/snd CARDS README ad1848.c dmabuf.c mss.h sb_dsp.c sbcard.h sound.c sound.h References: <199810060916.KAA06063@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 06 Oct 1998 13:24:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: Luigi Rizzo's message of "Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:16:44 +0100 (MET)" Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id EAA29032 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luigi Rizzo writes: > > Well, I can give you feedback anyway: I built world and kernel during > > the night and swapped cards this morning before leaving for work. No > > joy; I get sound when I cat a file to /dev/audio (didn't have an .au > > file handy, but /etc/profile is as good as any), but not a squeak from > > mpg123. I used to get looping sound, but now I get nothing at all. > > what can i say ? I just tried a -current kernel with OPTI931, CS4232, > Vibra16C, Vibra16X and in all cases mpg123 worked fine. Only problem > was to configure the card properly (on my test system the CS4232 is > onboard, dma1 is hardwired to that chip and not available on the ISA > bus, and there are a few other config problems that force me to > manually configure the second or third audio card). > > Remember the settings for the Vibra16X are different from other cards. Same box, same kernel, same kernel.config works fine with SB32. Are there any differences between these cards I should be aware of? Do you want a full dmesg and pnpinfo of the Vibra16X? DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 04:28:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA29584 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 04:28:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA29530 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 04:28:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA06109; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:25:49 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199810060925.KAA06109@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/isa/snd CARDS README ad1848.c dmabuf.c mss.h sb_dsp.c sbcard.h sound.c sound.h To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:25:49 +0100 (MET) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=" at Oct 6, 98 01:23:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Remember the settings for the Vibra16X are different from other cards. > > Same box, same kernel, same kernel.config works fine with SB32. Are > there any differences between these cards I should be aware of? the vibra16x uses two 8-bit DMA channels, the older sb (incl.SB32 i think) uses one 8-bit and one 16-bit channel. > Do you want a full dmesg and pnpinfo of the Vibra16X? yes please, plain ascii, but i am almost sure you misconfigured the second dma channel. Try pnp 1 0 os enable port0 0x220 irq0 5 drq0 1 drq1 0 (or something the like) when booting with -c on your vibra16X luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 04:34:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA00759 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 04:34:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA00746 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 04:34:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from bergelmir.ifi.uio.no (2602@bergelmir.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.172]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id NAA09544; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:34:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by bergelmir.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:34:31 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/isa/snd CARDS README ad1848.c dmabuf.c mss.h sb_dsp.c sbcard.h sound.c sound.h References: <199810060925.KAA06109@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 06 Oct 1998 13:34:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: Luigi Rizzo's message of "Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:25:49 +0100 (MET)" Message-ID: Lines: 25 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id EAA00755 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luigi Rizzo writes: > > > Remember the settings for the Vibra16X are different from other cards. > > Same box, same kernel, same kernel.config works fine with SB32. Are > > there any differences between these cards I should be aware of? > > the vibra16x uses two 8-bit DMA channels, the older sb (incl.SB32 i > think) uses one 8-bit and one 16-bit channel. I meant from a driver/configuration standpoint. > > Do you want a full dmesg and pnpinfo of the Vibra16X? > > yes please, plain ascii, but i am almost sure you misconfigured > the second dma channel. Try > > pnp 1 0 os enable port0 0x220 irq0 5 drq0 1 drq1 0 > > (or something the like) when booting with -c on your vibra16X OK. I have a line for my SB32 in /kernel.config, I'll check to see if it differs. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 05:22:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA06322 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 05:22:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from karon.dynas.se (karon.dynas.se [192.71.43.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA06317 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 05:22:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from micke@dynas.se) Received: (qmail 19698 invoked from network); 6 Oct 1998 12:22:43 -0000 Received: from spirit.sto.dynas.se (HELO spirit) (172.16.1.10) by karon.dynas.se with SMTP; 6 Oct 1998 12:22:43 -0000 Received: by spirit (Smail3.1.28.1 #32) id m0zQW8Y-000JezC; Tue, 6 Oct 98 14:22:42 +0200 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:22:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: Mikael Hybsch X-Sender: micke@spirit.dynas.se Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_H=FCbsch?= To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 981003-BETA installation: ep0 vs. zp0 (+ slip problems) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was running 2.2.6 on a Toshiba Satellite Pro 480 which has a 3Com 3c589D-COMBO PCMCIA network card. This worked fine with pccard_enable=YES and the ep0 driver. The zp0 driver on the 981003-BETA boot floppy detects the 3c589D but fails to send/receive any data on the TP connector. I also tried to run a 2.2.6 kernel with zp0 with identical result. Is there a fix for zp0 to make it behave like ep0 with link2 set? Next I tried to install the BETA using ppp to a nearby host. This somehow failed so I decided to try slip. (I don't know what I did wrong, but I reinstalled the same BETA today with ppp and it worked). The problem with slip is that "ifconfig sl0 ..." always gives the error "File exists" which causes sysinstall to give up and say that this installation method isn't available. This only seems to happen when slattach is running. Even if ifconfig returns "File exists" it always does what it's told to do. The workaround I did was to add "|| :" to the "additional arguments to ifconfig" field. The side effect is that "|| :" is then inserted in the ifconfig_sl0 parameter in /etc/rc.conf, but I didn't plan to use slip after installation anyway. I haven't looked at the sysinstall code, but it seems that a solution is to run ifconfig before slattach. -- Mikael Hybsch Email: micke@securitydynamics.com Security Dynamics AB Phone: +46-8-7250900 Box 10704 Fax: +46-8-6494970 S-121 29 STOCKHOLM, SWEDEN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 05:26:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA06930 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 05:26:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA06924 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 05:26:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from localhost (kpielorz@localhost) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA00381 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:26:24 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:26:24 +0100 (BST) From: Karl Pielorz To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Toasting /etc/rc.conf... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is probably a very minor point in the grand scheme of things, but I managed to complete delete my /etc/rc.conf the other day by: 1. Going single user 2. vi'ing /etc/rc.conf 3. Suspending vi 4. running /stand/sysinstall sysinstall hung at the 'Probing devices prompt - this may take some time', and I had to switch the machine off (I'm running a serial console now - which couldn't quit sysinstall, and the VGA one appeared 'dead' - as it does now I'm on a serial one). When the machine came back up - it did so as 'amnesic', and sure enough /etc/rc.conf was a zero byte file... Vi reckoned it couldn't recover any files either... I know this is probably a 'stupid thing to do' (tm), but nasty all the same - I just thought someone might want to know... ;-) This also served as 'another good reason to do backups' though, as I'd backed up the system about 5 minutes previous, and now know what restore is like in interactive mode ;-) Regards, Karl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 05:54:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA11339 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 05:54:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA11328 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 05:54:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thyerm@camtech.net.au) Received: from camtech.net.au (dialup-ad-10-31.camtech.net.au [203.28.1.159]) by goliath.camtech.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id WAA22535; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:23:45 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <361A12E3.E84320B6@camtech.net.au> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:23:55 +0930 From: Matthew Thyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Alok K. Dhir" CC: Nate Williams , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: something is leaking References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG 4.07 has been out for at least 2 days. ;} Alok K. Dhir wrote: > > On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Nate Williams wrote: [snip] > > What do I win? :) > > You don't win anything :-). Netscape 3.04 is not the latest. Netscape > 4.06 (and 4.5pr2) are the latest... > > Al -- /=====================================================================\ |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| \=====================================================================/ "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 06:02:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12523 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:02:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA12507 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:02:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from meyerd1@fang.cs.sunyit.edu) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA28063; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:02:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from meyerd1@fang.cs.sunyit.edu) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:02:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Aaron Meyer To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: "Brian W. Buchanan" , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sysinstall/XFree86 In-Reply-To: <17327.907659870@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG 3.0-19981003-BETA gave me the same problem. --Dan On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > If one installs the XFree86 distribution when using sysinstall to install > > 3.0-BETA, the package installation is not recorded, causing attempts to > > Can you give me a version # for the BETA? This is supposed to be fixed, > but I'm willing to believe more bogons exist. > > - Jordan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 06:16:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA14001 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:16:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA13992 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:16:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thyerm@camtech.net.au) Received: from camtech.net.au (dialup-ad-10-31.camtech.net.au [203.28.1.159]) by goliath.camtech.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id WAA28692; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:45:48 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <361A180E.BB91A729@camtech.net.au> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:45:58 +0930 From: Matthew Thyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Alok K. Dhir" , Nate Williams , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: something is leaking References: <361A12E3.E84320B6@camtech.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ooops, It seems FreeBSD has fallen from Netscapes favour as only the following versions for 4.07 are available. There are no longer directories for 'unsupported' versions, only the 'shipping' directory exists. Luckily 4.5b2 is available for FreeBSD (aout only of course) but the 4.07 situation worries me. Anyone have anymore info on this ?? aix4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 dec_unix . . . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 hpux10 . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 hpux9. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 irix53 . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 irix62 . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 linux12. . . . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 linux20. . . . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 sunos413 . . . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 sunos54. . . . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 sunos54_x86. . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 sunos551 . . . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 Matthew Thyer wrote: > > 4.07 has been out for at least 2 days. ;} > > Alok K. Dhir wrote: > > > > On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Nate Williams wrote: > [snip] > > > What do I win? :) > > > > You don't win anything :-). Netscape 3.04 is not the latest. Netscape > > 4.06 (and 4.5pr2) are the latest... > > > > Al > > -- > /=====================================================================\ > |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| > \=====================================================================/ > "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved > quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some > larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the > question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our > Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." > E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 -- /=====================================================================\ |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| \=====================================================================/ "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 06:18:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA14218 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:18:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA14213 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:18:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from mercury (mercury [129.127.36.44]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id WAA09722 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:48:44 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost by mercury; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/27Nov97-0404PM) id AA02494; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:48:43 +0930 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:48:42 +0930 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Another devstat_end_transaction datapoint Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-618355645-907679922=:2154" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-618355645-907679922=:2154 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII After rebooting with a kernel current as of yesterday: [morden|kkenn] 22:47 ~ uname -a FreeBSD morden.rebel.net.au 3.0-BETA FreeBSD 3.0-BETA #76: Mon Oct 5 22:54:51 CST 1998 kkenn@morden.rebel.net.au:/usr2/src/sys/compile/MORDEN i386 I got this: Automatic reboot in progress... /dev/rwd0s2a: clean, 3733 free (137 frags, 899 blocks, 0.8% fragmentation) /dev/rwd0s2f: clean, 47062 free (3914 frags, 10787 blocks, 1.3% fragmentation) devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count is < 0! /dev/rwd1s3e: clean, 86745 free (22161 frags, 8073 blocks, 4.5% fragmentation) /dev/rwd1s3f: clean, 37185 free (1889 frags, 4412 blocks, 0.5% fragmentation) dmesg output attached. 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Hubbard" Cc: markm@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with Kerberos and /etc/auth.conf References: <7633.907521782@time.cdrom.com> From: Bjoern Groenvall Date: 06 Oct 1998 15:31:20 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of Sun, 04 Oct 1998 10:23:02 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Red Gnus v0.52/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > OK, so I'm just going down my sheet of "things that various people > have reported as being most annoying in FreeBSD" and I'm looking at > the 'ol "su -K" FAQ, that being the one where people inadvertently > install kerberos (either by checking too many things off an install > menu or building from sources) and it subsequently bites the > non-internet connected by making su pause for a heck of a long time > trying to contact a kerberos server which doesn't exist. The > work-around is to use the -K flag, of course, but this apparently > remains a well-kept secret despite having been mentioned many times on > USENET and other forums, and people are basically putting their feet > into this rabbit hole. We need to do something! :-) A simple medicine for this problem can be found in the krb4 source crypto/kerberosIV/appl/bsd/su.c, i.e the su program that is not built. if (use_kerberos) { int fd = open (KEYFILE, O_RDONLY); if (fd >= 0) close (fd); else use_kerberos = 0; } Cheers, Björn PS Are there any other situations where kerberized programs are known to hang? DS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 06:44:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA17519 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:44:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA17514 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:44:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dgobe@mcs.net) Received: from mcs.net (dgobe.pr.mcs.net [204.137.234.195]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id IAA07192 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:44:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <361A1EA4.609C5D91@mcs.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:44:04 -0500 From: "David A. Gobeille" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: MAKEDEV broken? References: <36199704.EC9E1DD@mcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David A. Gobeille wrote: > > Using CURRENT as of ~Oct. 3, when trying to make cd* > devices, the /dev/MAKEDEV script does not create the > nodes that it should. > OOPS! Disregard. My brain locked up and I was talking out of my cache! -- Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 07:08:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA20937 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:08:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA20930 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:08:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id QAA05802 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:05:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from semyam.dinoco.de (semyam.dinoco.de [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00927; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:18:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199810060918.LAA00927@semyam.dinoco.de> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG cc: seggers@semyam.dinoco.de Subject: Two /boot/loader anomalies Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 11:18:45 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! Now with the new boot loader cvsup'ed yesterday morning CEST I noticed that the "autoboot 5" I specified in /boot/boot.conf does get executed but has no count down. I have to press ENTER to get it to boot. My memory claims the one from Saturday worked when I experimented with it. Another thing I noticed is the size. Why does it have about 188 KByte of initialized data making it a nearly 200 KByte large executable? Is this something strange with my configuration causing this, a bug or intentional? Stefan. -- Stefan Eggers Lu4 yao2 zhi1 ma3 li4, Max-Slevogt-Str. 1 ri4 jiu3 jian4 ren2 xin1. 51109 Koeln Federal Republic of Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 07:09:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA21002 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:09:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA20987 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:09:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id QAA05838 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:05:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from semyam.dinoco.de (semyam.dinoco.de [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05872; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:00:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199810061300.PAA05872@semyam.dinoco.de> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG cc: seggers@semyam.dinoco.de Subject: Text: Locking in the kernel's VM subsystem Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 15:00:21 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Surely someone knows more than I do about this but noone seems to have written a few bits about locking in the VM subsystem, yet. ;-) So this is a first and surely in many places incorrect description of how it is supposed to work. Comments and corrections welcome. Stefan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Locking in the VM subsystem In the following text o denotes a VM object, p is a VM page. splvm()/splx() Similar to the other spl...() calls. o->paging_in_progress Indicator for paging going on on pages within this object. p->busy/vm_page_io_start()/vm_page_io_finish() vm_page_io_start() marks a page as busy for I/O use - usually this is happening due to filesystem accesses. The reverse operation is vm_page_io_finish() which also does the wakeup of processes waiting for the page. NOTE: This is different from setting the busy flag! You have to check both if you want to make sure a page is really non-busy. p->flags & PG_BUSY/vm_page_busy()/vm_page_wakeup() This marks a page as busy for some operation. Using the functions ensures the operation of setting/clearing the flags is atomar and also does a wakeup of processes waiting for this page to become non-busy when necessary. NOTE: This is different from setting the busy counter! You have to check both if you want to make sure a page is really non-busy. p->hold_count/vm_page_hold()/vm_page_unhold() Used (if non-zero) to indicate someone has a reference to this page. One better doesn't make this reference invalid in any way. p->wire_count Wired pages are those which don't get paged anymore. The are also fixed at their position. Useful for making something unmoveable during I/O for example. vm_page_flag_set()/vm_page_flag_clear() Generic flag set/clear operation used for example by vm_page_busy()/ vm_page_wakeup(). Ensures that the operation is atomic. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 07:09:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA21104 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:09:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA21090 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:09:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id QAA05821; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:05:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from semyam.dinoco.de (semyam.dinoco.de [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00975; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:18:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199810061018.MAA00975@semyam.dinoco.de> To: Mike Smith cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, seggers@semyam.dinoco.de Subject: Re: CRUSH after recompile kernel... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 22:49:46 PDT." <199810050549.WAA00390@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 12:18:06 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It can contain commands for this program; you can get a brief summary > of these by typing '?' at the loader prompt. More complete help is > still on the whiteboard. How stable is the command and variable set? Anything serious going to change or could one just think about making the help facility work by adding the text? And while doing so I think ít shouldn't use /boot.help but instead something like /boot/help.txt to make all boot related files live in one place when the new bootstrap code is finished and unclutter /. I was suprised to have a help command which told me how to use the bootstrap code I used to load it. That's no exactly the help I was asking for at that moment. ;-) Stefan. -- Stefan Eggers Lu4 yao2 zhi1 ma3 li4, Max-Slevogt-Str. 1 ri4 jiu3 jian4 ren2 xin1. 51109 Koeln Federal Republic of Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 07:10:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA21583 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:10:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA21557 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:10:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id QAA05812; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:05:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from semyam.dinoco.de (semyam.dinoco.de [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01321; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:32:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199810061032.MAA01321@semyam.dinoco.de> To: Karl Pielorz cc: Greg Lehey , current@FreeBSD.ORG, seggers@semyam.dinoco.de Subject: crash dumps (was: Re: Panic with heavy diskaccess - current as of 10/04/98 ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:18:34 BST." Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 12:32:26 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > The panic details are below - I've heard nasty things about crashdumps at > > > the moment - are these safe to enable now? > > > > I haven't seen any problems. What have you seen? > > People were complaining they were overwriting volumes, and not writing to > the crash device specified... :-( I've seen one person having this problem as far as I remember and I think in a newer mail it looked more like this was just a pilot error. After that I reenabled them. The only thing which I think might be a serious problem is if you choose a dump device where there is not enough space. dumpon(8) says one has to have 64 KByte more space there than one has main memory. Doing this wrong shouldn't be fatal I think as sd and wd seem to check for having too few space and don't dump in such a case. Stefan. -- Stefan Eggers Lu4 yao2 zhi1 ma3 li4, Max-Slevogt-Str. 1 ri4 jiu3 jian4 ren2 xin1. 51109 Koeln Federal Republic of Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 07:16:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA22827 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:16:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA22808 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:16:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thyerm@camtech.net.au) Received: from camtech.net.au (dialup-ad-10-31.camtech.net.au [203.28.1.159]) by goliath.camtech.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id XAA12255; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:44:43 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <361A25DD.1A3A2D53@camtech.net.au> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 23:44:53 +0930 From: Matthew Thyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Werner Griessl CC: Scott Wilson , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: qt-1.40 hosed? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have fully built the world, XFree86 and kde in ELF format on two different -CURRENT systems (both single processors, one a P5 the other a PII) without problems (after kde was fixed for ELF builds only recently). All I can suggest is that you may not have updated your system properly during these fast changing times in -CURRENT. Or you have been trying to build the ports before they have been fixed for ELF or you have a bunch of old a.out libraries that are confusing things. Please make sure you have: - performed the ELF conversion properly: - i.e. the "make aout-to-elf" build. - Note that the move of old aout libs to the aout subdirectories was added later to the aout-to-elf target so depending on when you did your "make aout-to-elf", you may still need to "make move-aout-libs" to get the old libraries out of /usr/lib, /usr/local/lib and /usr/X11R6/lib. I actually pkg_delete'd everything on my system first except XFree86 before running "make move-aout-libs" because I only wanted the a.out libraries for X as I am going to rebuild any software I use from the ports collection as I still have more than 200MB of distfiles in /usr/ports/distfiles from previous ports installations. - updated your /etc directory properly after the ELF world build. It's very important that /etc/rc, /etc/rc.conf, the other /etc/rc.* files, /etc/make.conf and the files in /etc/mtree are up to date. See Nik Clayton's tutorial at the URL below to help you here: http://www.nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk/FreeBSD/make-world/make-world.html - built your kernel correctly paying attention to changes in kernel configuration option changes since your last kernel build. (keeping a copy of /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT from your last kernel build is useful here to see whats changed when compared with the new LINT). [This is no substitute for reading the cvs-all and freebsd-current mailing lists though]. I always use "options INCLUDE_CONFIG_FILE" in my kernel and have comments in my config file stating what version of LINT the kernel is based on. Then I can simply do an "ident /kernel" which tells me that date I built the kernel and the LINT it's based on. /kernel: $Id: MATTE,v 7.1 1998/10/03 01:06:00 +09:30 matt Exp $ $Id: LINT,v 1.479 1998/10/01 11:48:38 yokota Exp $ - Last of all you need to make sure you update your ports collection totally before attempting the kde build as this has only recently been fixed. Werner Griessl wrote: > > On 06-Oct-98 Scott Wilson wrote: > > > > I just cvsupped and did the make world thing recompiles the kernel > > rebooted, etc. That all went really smooth. Good job guys. > > > > I'm running 3.0 current a.out on a pent pro 200 single processor. > > > > 2940 UW. Cam is working fine, although things seem slower. > > > > I cd'd to /usr/ports/x11/kde and did a > > > > make install clean > > > > and this is what happened: > > > > ld: /usr/lib/c++rt0.o: No such file or directory > > mv: rename libqt.so.1.40 to ../lib/libqt.so.1.40: No such file o > > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work/ > > cd tutorial; gmake > > gmake[1]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work > > l' > > cd t1; gmake > > gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work > > l/t1' > > g++ -L/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work/qt-1.40/lib -L/usr/X11R > > n.o -lqt -lX11 > > ld: -lqt: no match > > gmake[2]: *** [t1] Error 1 > > gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work/ > > /t1' > > gmake[1]: *** [t1] Error 2 > > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work/ > > ' > > gmake: *** [tutorial] Error 2 > > *** Error code 2 > > > > Stop. > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop. > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop. > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop. > > > > > > > > I tried uninstalling and reinstalling all the relevant stuff, going so far > > as to remove the distfiles: > > > > qt-1.40 > > gmake-3.77 > > Mesa-3.0 > > XFree86-3.3.2 > > jpeg-6b > > giflib-3.0 > > > > No dice. After playing with this for about 8 hours, including trying to > > modify the MakeFile, I'm stumped. I didn't want to bug the maintainer > > because I'm not 100% sure that I'm not doing something stupid, so I > > figured I'd bug everyone else. ; ) > > > > TIA > > > > Scott Wilson > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > ---------------------------------- > > Hi Scott, > > Had the same problem yesterday ! > I was only able to build kde with the egcs-port installed. > Parts of kde seems to use /usr/local/bin/gcc instead of /usr/bin/cc . > > Werner > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- /=====================================================================\ |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| \=====================================================================/ "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 07:20:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23618 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:20:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23606 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:20:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from localhost (kpielorz@localhost) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA00579; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:19:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:19:56 +0100 (BST) From: Karl Pielorz To: Stefan Eggers cc: Greg Lehey , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: crash dumps (was: Re: Panic with heavy diskaccess - current as of 10/04/98 ) In-Reply-To: <199810061032.MAA01321@semyam.dinoco.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Stefan Eggers wrote: > > > > The panic details are below - I've heard nasty things about crashdumps at > > > > the moment - are these safe to enable now? > > I've seen one person having this problem as far as I remember and I > think in a newer mail it looked more like this was just a pilot error. > After that I reenabled them. Yes, I saw that one as well, and the follow up reply to it. I've re-enabled them here now after seeing that, and they seem to be working fine... (I'll admit to doing a backup before I crashed the machine though ) Regards, Karl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 07:23:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA24175 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:23:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from trinity.radio-do.de (trinity.Radio-do.de [193.101.164.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA24168 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:23:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fn@trinity.radio-do.de) Received: (from fn@localhost) by trinity.radio-do.de (8.9.1/8.8.5/RADIO-1.1) id QAA06141; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:23:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19981006162322.A6132@radio-do.de> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:23:22 +0200 From: Frank Nobis To: Karl Pielorz , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Toasting /etc/rc.conf... References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Karl Pielorz on Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 01:26:24PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 01:26:24PM +0100, Karl Pielorz wrote: > This is probably a very minor point in the grand scheme of things, but I > managed to complete delete my /etc/rc.conf the other day by: Staying current means, you have always the chance to nuke your system. I have two strategies to take this into account. 1.) Backup everything you need to external media, which you can access with a boot&fiyxit floppy. This is a MO drive in my case. One should test a boot&fixit floppy before the mess happens. 2.) To make upgrading /etc/rc.conf simple, don't edit in rc.conf but in rc.conf.local instead. Regards Frank To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 07:26:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA24732 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:26:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA24671 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:25:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id NAA06404; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:24:27 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199810061224.NAA06404@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/isa/snd CARDS README ad1848.c dmabuf.c mss.h sb_dsp.c sbcard.h sound.c sound.h To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:24:26 +0100 (MET) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=" at Oct 6, 98 01:34:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > the vibra16x uses two 8-bit DMA channels, the older sb (incl.SB32 i > > think) uses one 8-bit and one 16-bit channel. > > I meant from a driver/configuration standpoint. the driver has slightly different code paths for the two cards, the configuration with PnP should be automatic unless you have something hardwired in kernel.config which tries to set the wrong parameters for the vibra16x. As a matter of fact, kernel config info should be done using PnP IDs and not CSN but for the average user with only one PnP card the CSN approach is easier (PnP IDs are not readily available or self explicative). > OK. I have a line for my SB32 in /kernel.config, I'll check to see if > it differs. i bet this is the problem. the same line cannot possibly work for both SB32 and Vibra16X luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 07:26:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25093 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:26:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from void.cs.rpi.edu (void.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.8.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25087 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:26:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crossd@void.cs.rpi.edu) Received: from localhost (crossd@localhost) by void.cs.rpi.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA02620; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:25:51 -0400 From: "David E. Cross" To: Matthew Thyer cc: "Alok K. Dhir" , Nate Williams , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: netscape 4.07 (was: Re: something is leaking) In-Reply-To: <361A180E.BB91A729@camtech.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Matthew Thyer wrote: > Ooops, It seems FreeBSD has fallen from Netscapes favour as only the > following versions for 4.07 are available. > > There are no longer directories for 'unsupported' versions, only > the 'shipping' directory exists. > > Luckily 4.5b2 is available for FreeBSD (aout only of course) but the > 4.07 situation worries me. Woah... hold on a sec, chill out: -rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 9164045 Oct 05 20:37 communicator-v407-export.x86-unknown-freebsd.tar.gz /pub/communicator/4.07/development/english/unix/freebsd/professional_edition (I would like them to move it out of 'development' and into 'shipping', and also tp make a 128bit version. -- David Cross To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 07:34:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA26655 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:34:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA26648 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:34:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no (2602@skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.2]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with SMTP id QAA14834; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:34:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (dag-erli@localhost) by skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:34:06 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/isa/snd CARDS README ad1848.c dmabuf.c mss.h sb_dsp.c sbcard.h sound.c sound.h References: <199810060925.KAA06109@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 06 Oct 1998 16:34:03 +0200 In-Reply-To: Luigi Rizzo's message of "Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:25:49 +0100 (MET)" Message-ID: Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id HAA26651 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luigi Rizzo writes: > > Do you want a full dmesg and pnpinfo of the Vibra16X? > yes please, plain ascii, but i am almost sure you misconfigured > the second dma channel. Try > > pnp 1 0 os enable port0 0x220 irq0 5 drq0 1 drq1 0 It works. You should mention this in src/sys/i386/isa/snd/CARDS; the only example there sets the second DMA channel to 5, which works for the SB32 but not for the SB16PnP. This is what it says: CHIPSET: SB16: PnP id 0x__008c0e Vibra16X: PnP id 0xf0008c0e MANUFACTURER: CreativeLabs DATA SHEETS: http://www.creative.com sbhwpg.pdf or SBHWPG.EXE PNP CONFIG: pnp 1 0 os enable port0 0x220 irq0 5 drq0 1 drq1 5 DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 07:37:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA27417 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:37:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (gatekeeper.Alameda.net [207.90.181.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA27409 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:37:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ulf@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net) Received: by Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id HAA15953; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19981006073735.D16473@Alameda.net> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:37:35 -0700 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: Doug White , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0-981004-BETA observations Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Doug White on Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 05:45:54PM -0700 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 05:45:54PM -0700, Doug White wrote: > Hello all... > > I had the opportunity to test out installing and fiddling with the latest > beta a bit today. I have a lonely P90 that I was debugging (turned out to > be a disk problem - heh :/) and wanted to slap FreeBSD on it, and now that > wcarchive is back .... :) > > Things I ran into: > > 1. The disk in it originally had 2.2.1 in dedicated mode installed on it. > I went through sysinstall's 'Express' feature, removing the old > partition and putting a new one on and making a Greg Lehey > Monolithic(tm) layout. At the commit step, for some reason newfs wigged > out on it, reporting: > > newfs: ioctl(WDINFO): cross-device link > newfs: /dev/rwd0s1a: can't rewrite disk label > > Exiting back to the main menu and going through 'express' again worked > fine. Go figure. I reported simular things already to Jordan with Beta 0927 and 0930. I also got the "can't rewrite disk label" message, when I do a newfs on my ccd file system on one of my machines. Still everything seems to work fine. > > 2. When booting, the machine emits three beeps before displaying the > boot: prompt. I tried this on two Micron PhoenixBIOS 4.04 machines. > I didn't have my laptop's floppy drive or I'd try it too. Noticed that too. > > 3. The new improved SB Vibra support is heads & shoulders better than > 2.2.7 :-) It doesn't break up when playing MP3s using xaudio. The > SB32/VibraC in the aformentioned machine hums long nicely. I > need to test it with X11Amp tho. Thanks Luigi! Yeah, applaus for Luigi. This little K6-233 performs very well as mp3 player (using Mxaudio) and as TV with bktr. > > That's my notes so far ... looking good! > > Doug White > Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve > http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | www.freebsd.org > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 07:38:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA27705 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:38:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA27591 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:38:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id QAA09581 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:35:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from semyam.dinoco.de (semyam.dinoco.de [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08577; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:26:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199810061426.QAA08577@semyam.dinoco.de> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Two /boot/loader anomalies In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 11:18:45 +0200." <199810060918.LAA00927@semyam.dinoco.de> Cc: seggers@semyam.dinoco.de Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 16:26:47 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > that the "autoboot 5" I specified in /boot/boot.conf does get executed > but has no count down. I have to press ENTER to get it to boot. My Looking at the code I saw that it uses VM86 to ask the BIOS for the time. The system with the problem has an ASUS board (P55TP4XE) with an Award BIOS 4.51PG, version 2.02 and is equipped with a Pentium 100. Stefan. -- Stefan Eggers Lu4 yao2 zhi1 ma3 li4, Max-Slevogt-Str. 1 ri4 jiu3 jian4 ren2 xin1. 51109 Koeln Federal Republic of Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 07:39:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA27962 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:39:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA27851; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:38:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thyerm@camtech.net.au) Received: from camtech.net.au (dialup-ad-10-31.camtech.net.au [203.28.1.159]) by goliath.camtech.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id AAA17727; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:08:02 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <361A2B55.AE47C1A0@camtech.net.au> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 00:08:13 +0930 From: Matthew Thyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 2.2.7 sysinstall failure to configure network interface Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have had to install two 2.2.7 systems recently over the net and sysinstall failed to configure the network interface in both cases. I think it was either an ed0 or an ep0 device. The workaround that worked in both cases was to run an emergency shell and to configure the interface and add the default route manually. Then sysinstall worked perfectly. (maybe the route add was not required - I didn't have time to experiment). This was after solving all other problems such as BIOSes that reserve interrupts for PCI or PnP cards (when I wanted irq 10 for an ISA card). Also we made sure the cards were set to the settings that the GENERIC kernel wanted. I cannot give further information as these were other peoples machines that I was just advising on. (And I'm not meant to 'play' with FBSD at work since I do far too much of that already :) I just find it odd that the same work around was required for two entirely different machines. Maybe it is something to do with my work network ??.... a switched network (CISCO equip). Also our routers do not provide RIP updates (intentionally). I am not allowed to provide anymore info on the network. Everything worked fine with the workaround. I just wanted to report this as a possible problem although I realise the report is useless without information on hardware etc. Perhaps others have had the same experience ? -- /=====================================================================\ |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| \=====================================================================/ "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 07:44:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA28879 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:44:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from axl.training.iafrica.com (axl.training.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA28873 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:44:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.training.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.training.iafrica.com) by axl.training.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zQYLY-0002af-00; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:44:16 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Bjoern Groenvall cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with Kerberos and /etc/auth.conf In-reply-to: Your message of "06 Oct 1998 15:31:20 +0200." Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 16:44:16 +0200 Message-ID: <9960.907685056@axl.training.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 06 Oct 1998 15:31:20 +0200, Bjoern Groenvall wrote: > Are there any other situations where kerberized programs are known to > hang? Yes. I'm still not sure why we're trying to fix this in userland. login(1) experiences the same problem. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 07:45:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29093 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:45:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA29061 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:45:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id NAA06451; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:43:50 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199810061243.NAA06451@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/isa/snd CARDS README ad1848.c dmabuf.c mss.h sb_dsp.c sbcard.h sound.c sound.h To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:43:50 +0100 (MET) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=" at Oct 6, 98 04:33:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It works. You should mention this in src/sys/i386/isa/snd/CARDS; the > only example there sets the second DMA channel to 5, which works for > the SB32 but not for the SB16PnP. This is what it says: right, i wrote it before fixing the Vibra16X code. But remember there are two SB16PnP -- one (older) is the vibra16C, the newer one is the vibra16X. we have to thank creativelabs for calling all their boards the same name or so. luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 07:47:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29640 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:47:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from locnar.eng.mindspring.net (locnar.eng.mindspring.net [207.69.192.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA29615 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:47:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sevn@mindspring.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by locnar.eng.mindspring.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA25332 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:45:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sevn@mindspring.net) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:45:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Wilson X-Sender: sevn@locnar.eng.mindspring.net To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: qt-1.40 hosed? In-Reply-To: <361A25DD.1A3A2D53@camtech.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm not running ELF, and I have no desire to yet. ; ) Thanks for all the ELF information though. I'll definitly need it later when I feel good about ELF. Scott Wilson On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Matthew Thyer wrote: > I have fully built the world, XFree86 and kde in ELF format on two > different -CURRENT systems (both single processors, one a P5 the > other a PII) without problems (after kde was fixed for ELF builds > only recently). > > All I can suggest is that you may not have updated your system > properly during these fast changing times in -CURRENT. Or you have > been trying to build the ports before they have been fixed for ELF > or you have a bunch of old a.out libraries that are confusing things. > > Please make sure you have: > > - performed the ELF conversion properly: > - i.e. the "make aout-to-elf" build. > - Note that the move of old aout libs to the aout > subdirectories was added later to the aout-to-elf target > so depending on when you did your "make aout-to-elf", > you may still need to "make move-aout-libs" to get the > old libraries out of /usr/lib, /usr/local/lib and > /usr/X11R6/lib. > > I actually pkg_delete'd everything on my system first except > XFree86 before running "make move-aout-libs" because I only > wanted the a.out libraries for X as I am going to rebuild any > software I use from the ports collection as I still have more > than 200MB of distfiles in /usr/ports/distfiles from previous > ports installations. > > - updated your /etc directory properly after the ELF world build. It's > very important that /etc/rc, /etc/rc.conf, the other /etc/rc.* > files, /etc/make.conf and the files in /etc/mtree are up to date. > See Nik Clayton's tutorial at the URL below to help you here: > > http://www.nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk/FreeBSD/make-world/make-world.html > > - built your kernel correctly paying attention to changes in kernel > configuration option changes since your last kernel build. (keeping > a copy of /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT from your last kernel build > is useful here to see whats changed when compared with the new LINT). > [This is no substitute for reading the cvs-all and freebsd-current > mailing lists though]. > > I always use "options INCLUDE_CONFIG_FILE" in my kernel and have > comments in my config file stating what version of LINT the kernel > is based on. Then I can simply do an "ident /kernel" which tells > me that date I built the kernel and the LINT it's based on. > > /kernel: > $Id: MATTE,v 7.1 1998/10/03 01:06:00 +09:30 matt Exp $ > $Id: LINT,v 1.479 1998/10/01 11:48:38 yokota Exp $ > > - Last of all you need to make sure you update your ports collection > totally before attempting the kde build as this has only recently > been fixed. > > Werner Griessl wrote: > > > > On 06-Oct-98 Scott Wilson wrote: > > > > > > I just cvsupped and did the make world thing recompiles the kernel > > > rebooted, etc. That all went really smooth. Good job guys. > > > > > > I'm running 3.0 current a.out on a pent pro 200 single processor. > > > > > > 2940 UW. Cam is working fine, although things seem slower. > > > > > > I cd'd to /usr/ports/x11/kde and did a > > > > > > make install clean > > > > > > and this is what happened: > > > > > > ld: /usr/lib/c++rt0.o: No such file or directory > > > mv: rename libqt.so.1.40 to ../lib/libqt.so.1.40: No such file o > > > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work/ > > > cd tutorial; gmake > > > gmake[1]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work > > > l' > > > cd t1; gmake > > > gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work > > > l/t1' > > > g++ -L/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work/qt-1.40/lib -L/usr/X11R > > > n.o -lqt -lX11 > > > ld: -lqt: no match > > > gmake[2]: *** [t1] Error 1 > > > gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work/ > > > /t1' > > > gmake[1]: *** [t1] Error 2 > > > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work/ > > > ' > > > gmake: *** [tutorial] Error 2 > > > *** Error code 2 > > > > > > Stop. > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > Stop. > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > Stop. > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > Stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried uninstalling and reinstalling all the relevant stuff, going so far > > > as to remove the distfiles: > > > > > > qt-1.40 > > > gmake-3.77 > > > Mesa-3.0 > > > XFree86-3.3.2 > > > jpeg-6b > > > giflib-3.0 > > > > > > No dice. After playing with this for about 8 hours, including trying to > > > modify the MakeFile, I'm stumped. I didn't want to bug the maintainer > > > because I'm not 100% sure that I'm not doing something stupid, so I > > > figured I'd bug everyone else. ; ) > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > Scott Wilson > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > > > ---------------------------------- > > > > Hi Scott, > > > > Had the same problem yesterday ! > > I was only able to build kde with the egcs-port installed. > > Parts of kde seems to use /usr/local/bin/gcc instead of /usr/bin/cc . > > > > Werner > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > -- > /=====================================================================\ > |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| > \=====================================================================/ > "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved > quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some > larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the > question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our > Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." > E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 07:59:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01483 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:59:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Chuska.ConSys.COM (Chuska.ConSys.COM [209.141.107.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01474 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:59:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rcarter@psf.Pinyon.ORG) Received: from psf.Pinyon.ORG (ip-17-068.prc.primenet.com [207.218.17.68]) by Chuska.ConSys.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA06401; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:59:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from psf.Pinyon.ORG (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by psf.Pinyon.ORG (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA23519; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:56:43 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199810061456.HAA23519@psf.Pinyon.ORG> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Edwin Culp cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ELF current & mysqld In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 12:26:00 EST." <36190128.55A46FAD@webwizard.org.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 07:56:43 -0700 From: "Russell L. Carter" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG eculp@webwizard.org.mx said: > I built mysql322 last Friday with libc_r , NATIVE_THREADS=yes, clean, > right out of the box. Running fine (mysql, apache 1.3.2, X11, > afterstep-devel, natd, ipfw,samba, sharity, kernel - all elf). There > are three different mysql's in ports though. > ed Hi Ed, Did you build it on a recent (less than a week old) current? I just built 3.22.7b (NATIVE_THREADS=yes) by upgrading the existing 3.22.6a port, and it fails in the same way, on a 2 day old current. I'll have to look at this later, but truss indicates that mysqladmin ver hangs at a setsockopt call, error code 42, protocol not available. Russell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 08:15:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03501 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:15:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shadow.worldbank.org (shadow.worldbank.org [138.220.104.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03469 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:14:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adhir@worldbank.org) Received: from localhost (adhir@localhost) by shadow.worldbank.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01182; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:13:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from adhir@worldbank.org) X-Authentication-Warning: shadow.worldbank.org: adhir owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:13:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Alok K. Dhir" To: Matthew Thyer cc: Alok_K._Dhir/Person/World_Bank@notes.worldbank.org, Nate Williams , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: something is leaking In-Reply-To: <540189AB499B395285256695004719DE.0045910685256695@worldbank.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I saw the Linux version of 4.07, but did not see the FreeBSD native version... Is there one? On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Matthew Thyer wrote: > > > 4.07 has been out for at least 2 days. ;} > > Alok K. Dhir wrote: > > > > On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Nate Williams wrote: > [snip] > > > What do I win? :) > > > > You don't win anything :-). Netscape 3.04 is not the latest. Netscape > > 4.06 (and 4.5pr2) are the latest... > > > > Al > > -- > /=====================================================================\ > |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| > \=====================================================================/ > "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved > quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some > larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the > question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our > Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." > E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- \||/_ Alok K. Dhir Phone: +1.202.473.2446 oo \ S11-151, ISGMC Email: adhir@worldbank.org L_ The World Bank Group Washington, DC \/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------| "Unix _is_ user friendly - it just chooses friends selectively..." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 08:22:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05083 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:22:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04929 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:21:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thyerm@camtech.net.au) Received: from camtech.net.au (dialup-ad-10-31.camtech.net.au [203.28.1.159]) by goliath.camtech.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id AAA27701; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:50:39 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <361A3552.79168961@camtech.net.au> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 00:50:50 +0930 From: Matthew Thyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David E. Cross" CC: "Alok K. Dhir" , Nate Williams , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: netscape 4.07 (was: Re: something is leaking) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK, It seems that the main mirrors I use (Adelaide UNI and Curtin UNI - both in Australia) and the Netscape FTP site I visited do not have the development versions. I also tried Netscape's beta central site but only found 4.5 there. Where did you get it ? (for my benefit and the lists). David E. Cross wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Matthew Thyer wrote: > > > Ooops, It seems FreeBSD has fallen from Netscapes favour as only the > > following versions for 4.07 are available. > > > > There are no longer directories for 'unsupported' versions, only > > the 'shipping' directory exists. > > > > Luckily 4.5b2 is available for FreeBSD (aout only of course) but the > > 4.07 situation worries me. > > Woah... hold on a sec, chill out: > -rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 9164045 Oct 05 20:37 communicator-v407-export.x86-unknown-freebsd.tar.gz > > /pub/communicator/4.07/development/english/unix/freebsd/professional_edition > > (I would like them to move it out of 'development' and into 'shipping', > and also tp make a 128bit version. > > -- > David Cross -- /=====================================================================\ |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| \=====================================================================/ "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 08:22:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05186 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:22:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles100.castles.com [208.214.165.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05144 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:22:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03441; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:26:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810061526.IAA03441@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Stefan Eggers cc: Mike Smith , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CRUSH after recompile kernel... In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 12:18:06 +0200." <199810061018.MAA00975@semyam.dinoco.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:26:49 -0700 From: Mike Smith Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id IAA05182 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > It can contain commands for this program; you can get a brief summary > > of these by typing '?' at the loader prompt. More complete help is > > still on the whiteboard. > > How stable is the command and variable set? Anything serious going to > change or could one just think about making the help facility work by > adding the text? I think that some help text would be good. I hadn't decided whether a structured help approach (ie. 'help' gives summary, 'help foo' gives help on foo') might not be better. > And while doing so I think ít shouldn't use /boot.help but instead > something like /boot/help.txt to make all boot related files live in > one place when the new bootstrap code is finished and unclutter /. I > was suprised to have a help command which told me how to use the > bootstrap code I used to load it. That's no exactly the help I was > asking for at that moment. ;-) No, I can appreciate that. 8) The help file path should definitely change. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 08:24:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05579 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:24:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05499 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:24:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles100.castles.com [208.214.165.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08610 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03459; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:28:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810061528.IAA03459@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Christoph Kukulies cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: wd0: interrupt timeout In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 11:06:58 +0200." <199810060906.LAA23211@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:28:41 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Is this a wd driver problem in -current or is my (a couple of > months old Fujitsu 2.6 GB ) disk drive about to die? Your disk is having trouble. It may not be about to die, but it is killing you . The errors are read errors only, so you can try writing over the affected region (or the whole disk) to give it a chance to reallocate the block(s). ie. move everything off the disk and dd zeroes over it. > during fsck and before in a running system that built worlds > but was tending to spuriously reboot in the past while running > a very uptodate -current: > > wd0: interrupt timeout: > wd0: status 59 error 40 > wd0: wdtimeout() DMA status 4 > wd0s1e: soft error reading fsbn 65 of 64-175 (wd0s1 bn 333889; cn 331 tn 3 sn 53) > wd0: status 58 error 1 > wd0s1e: hard error reading fsbn 67 of 64-175 (wd0s1 bn 333891; cn 331 tn 3 sn 54) > wd0: status 59 error 40 > > ... > > wd0s1e: reverting to non-multi sector mode reading fsbn 64 of 64-79 ... > > and so on... > > > -- > Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 08:29:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06584 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:29:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from void.cs.rpi.edu (void.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.8.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06579 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:29:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crossd@void.cs.rpi.edu) Received: from localhost (crossd@localhost) by void.cs.rpi.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA01209; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:29:07 -0400 From: "David E. Cross" To: Matthew Thyer cc: "Alok K. Dhir" , Nate Williams , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: netscape 4.07 (was: Re: something is leaking) In-Reply-To: <361A3552.79168961@camtech.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Matthew Thyer wrote: > OK, > > It seems that the main mirrors I use (Adelaide UNI and Curtin UNI - > both in Australia) and the Netscape FTP site I visited do not have > the development versions. I also tried Netscape's beta central site > but only found 4.5 there. > > Where did you get it ? (for my benefit and the lists). > ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/4.07/development/english/unix/freebsd -- David Cross To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 08:30:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06937 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:30:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06875; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:30:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (IDENT:7OIX8jTvEWCGrQ3reqcD49wG5ucdxi3X@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA01761; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:27:37 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199810061527.RAA01761@gratis.grondar.za> To: Bjoern Groenvall cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , markm@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with Kerberos and /etc/auth.conf In-Reply-To: Your message of " 06 Oct 1998 15:31:20 +0200." References: <7633.907521782@time.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 17:27:32 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG JKH sent me a mostly-correct solution involving this. I have nearly finished beating it into shape. It will be incorporated into most if the kerberised utils. M Bjoern Groenvall wrote: > "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > > > OK, so I'm just going down my sheet of "things that various people > > have reported as being most annoying in FreeBSD" and I'm looking at > > the 'ol "su -K" FAQ, that being the one where people inadvertently > > install kerberos (either by checking too many things off an install > > menu or building from sources) and it subsequently bites the > > non-internet connected by making su pause for a heck of a long time > > trying to contact a kerberos server which doesn't exist. The > > work-around is to use the -K flag, of course, but this apparently > > remains a well-kept secret despite having been mentioned many times on > > USENET and other forums, and people are basically putting their feet > > into this rabbit hole. We need to do something! :-) > > A simple medicine for this problem can be found in the krb4 source > crypto/kerberosIV/appl/bsd/su.c, i.e the su program that is not built. > > if (use_kerberos) { > int fd = open (KEYFILE, O_RDONLY); > > if (fd >= 0) > close (fd); > else > use_kerberos = 0; > } > > Cheers, > Björn > > PS > Are there any other situations where kerberized programs are known to hang? > DS -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 08:39:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08508 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:39:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08497 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:39:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost by echonyc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA11044 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:39:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Snob Art Genre Reply-To: ben@rosengart.com To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: can't dump: fatal trap 12 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Last night, with a kernel as of yesterday afternoon, I was building world with -j24, cvsup'ing the ports collection, and examining the load with systat, when the console read: /usr/obj: bad dir ino 238127 at offset 2048: mangled entry syncing disks... blah blah blah blah 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 giving up status=0xb, scsi status=0x0 And then the system wouldn't core dump. At DES' suggestion, I compiled up a DDB kernel, booted the system with it, dropped to the debugger, and called panic. The result: syncing disks... Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x30 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf017af00 stack pointer = 0x10:0xf01d1cdc frame pointer = 0x10:0xf01d1ce0 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = Idle interrupt mask = tty bio kernel: type 12 trap, code=0 Stopped at _Debugger+0x35: movb $0,_in_Debugger.98 When I called panic again, the system printed a "dumping" message, but simply hung, and eventually printed an I/O error message and offered to reboot. Since the output of nm /kernel | sort is about 175K, rather than spam the list with it, I put it at http://www.interport.net/~float/nm.out. Here is my dmesg.boot: Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.0-BETA #0: Tue Oct 6 00:07:56 EDT 1998 root@narcissus.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/DSUEVEN Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz cost 3499 ns Timecounter "TSC" frequency 199433076 Hz cost 252 ns CPU: Pentium Pro (199.43-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x617 Stepping=7 Features=0xf9ff real memory = 100663296 (98304K bytes) avail memory = 95535104 (93296K bytes) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x02 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x01 on pci0.7.0 vga0: rev 0x06 int a irq 11 on pci0.11.0 bt0: rev 0x08 int a irq 9 on pci0.15.0 bt0: BT-948 FW Rev. 5.05R Ultra Narrow SCSI Host Adapter, SCSI ID 7, 192 CCBs Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 at 0x300-0x31f irq 10 on isa ed0: address 00:40:05:1e:df:32, type NE2000 (16 bit) sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface pcm0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa WARNING: sb: misconfigured secondary DMA channel fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in bt: unit number (1) too high bt1 not found npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface changing root device to da0s1a da0 at bt0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device da0: 3.300MB/s transfers, Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 2048MB (4194304 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 261C) da1 at bt0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device da1: 3.300MB/s transfers, Tagged Queueing Enabled da1: 3067MB (6281856 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 391C) WARNING: / was not properly dismounted cd0 at bt0 bus 0 target 2 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI2 device cd0: 3.300MB/s transfers cd0: cd present [193127 x 2048 byte records] ffs_mountfs: superblock updated ffs_mountfs: superblock updated ffs_mountfs: superblock updated ffs_mountfs: superblock updated Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 08:54:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11803 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:54:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11798 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:54:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thyerm@camtech.net.au) Received: from camtech.net.au (dialup-ad-10-31.camtech.net.au [203.28.1.159]) by goliath.camtech.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id BAA04652; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:23:36 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <361A3D0B.1EA35F46@camtech.net.au> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 01:23:47 +0930 From: Matthew Thyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Alok K. Dhir" CC: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: something is leaking References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0B53C537E410F850C7436DEC" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0B53C537E410F850C7436DEC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a FreeBSD version of 4.07 which I've just found. ftp://ftp3.netscape.com/pub/communicator/4.07/development/english/unix/freebsd/professional_edition/communicator-v407-export.x86-unknown-freebsd.tar.gz Several of the other netscape FTP site only have the shipping versions as do the two Australian mirrors I use normally. I had several problems with old cached FTP results from my ISP's proxy. It seems that many FTP sites have had the development directories for 4.07 in the past but not anymore. Holding shift and pressing reload got the right page contents. fetch was still getting incorrect info from the proxy but fortunately my ISP does not block direct FTP so once I unset HTTP_PROXY, fetch worked fine. Alok K. Dhir wrote: > > I saw the Linux version of 4.07, but did not see the FreeBSD native > version... Is there one? > > On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Matthew Thyer wrote: > > > > > > > 4.07 has been out for at least 2 days. ;} > > > > Alok K. Dhir wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Nate Williams wrote: > > [snip] > > > > What do I win? :) > > > > > > You don't win anything :-). Netscape 3.04 is not the latest. Netscape > > > 4.06 (and 4.5pr2) are the latest... > > > > > > Al > > > > -- > > /=====================================================================\ > > |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| > > \=====================================================================/ > > "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved > > quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some > > larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the > > question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our > > Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." > > E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- \||/_ > Alok K. Dhir Phone: +1.202.473.2446 oo \ > S11-151, ISGMC Email: adhir@worldbank.org L_ > The World Bank Group Washington, DC \/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------| > "Unix _is_ user friendly - it just chooses friends selectively..." -- /=====================================================================\ |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| \=====================================================================/ "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 --------------0B53C537E410F850C7436DEC Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by goliath (mbox thyerm) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.22 1998/04/11) Wed Oct 7 00:43:43 1998) X-From_: crossd@void.cs.rpi.edu Tue Oct 6 23:55 CST 1998 Received: from void.cs.rpi.edu (void.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.8.27]) by goliath.camtech.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id XAA14901 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:55:39 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost (crossd@localhost) by void.cs.rpi.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA02620; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:25:51 -0400 From: "David E. Cross" To: Matthew Thyer cc: "Alok K. Dhir" , Nate Williams , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: netscape 4.07 (was: Re: something is leaking) In-Reply-To: <361A180E.BB91A729@camtech.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Matthew Thyer wrote: > Ooops, It seems FreeBSD has fallen from Netscapes favour as only the > following versions for 4.07 are available. > > There are no longer directories for 'unsupported' versions, only > the 'shipping' directory exists. > > Luckily 4.5b2 is available for FreeBSD (aout only of course) but the > 4.07 situation worries me. Woah... hold on a sec, chill out: -rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 9164045 Oct 05 20:37 communicator-v407-export.x86-unknown-freebsd.tar.gz /pub/communicator/4.07/development/english/unix/freebsd/professional_edition (I would like them to move it out of 'development' and into 'shipping', and also tp make a 128bit version. -- David Cross --------------0B53C537E410F850C7436DEC-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 09:01:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13495 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:01:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13480 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:01:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from mercury (mercury [129.127.36.44]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id BAA10261 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:31:46 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost by mercury; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/27Nov97-0404PM) id AA32071; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:31:46 +0930 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:31:46 +0930 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Improper sharing of modem bandwidth Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Recently I've noticed my system behaving differently during downloads; when I initiate a file download it tends to consume all available modem bandwidth, to the exclusion of all other things like open telnet sessions. Once the download has started, my telnet sessions will usually freeze (during a download of a 1.5MB file just then over my 14.4k modem I didnt get a single character back from one of my telnets open for more than 10 minutes, and another one was giving me huge delays (a minute or more, to a host which is ~400ms away under normal usage). I could also not manage to talk to the DNS (the modem dialin server) to initiate any new connections during the download; the requests were timing out. Until recently, I was not experiencing anywhere near this kind of lag during a single file transfer. This is the source of the recent comment I made here re binary transfers coming through at a faster rate than usual (1.7k, which is probably the absolute limit for my modem when you include protocol overhead). As soon as the download finishes, all other sessions return to normal within a second or two. Has anyone else seen this behaviour? I'm running behind a simple IPFW and using user-mode ppp, but have not changed any of my config for months (kernel also, beyond trivial changes). The recent bandwidth-limitation changes to ipfw flag themselves as a possible source of the problem, to my untrained eye :-) Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 09:05:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14659 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:05:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14620 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:05:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thyerm@camtech.net.au) Received: from camtech.net.au (dialup-ad-10-31.camtech.net.au [203.28.1.159]) by goliath.camtech.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id BAA06743; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:34:05 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <361A3F80.4C0C49FF@camtech.net.au> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 01:34:16 +0930 From: Matthew Thyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David E. Cross" CC: "Alok K. Dhir" , Nate Williams , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: netscape 4.07 (was: Re: something is leaking) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry David, The development directory on that FTP server doesn't exist anymore. You may have to connect directly to avoid old info from your ISP's proxy to see this. As I have said to Alok, I have only been able to find it at: ftp://ftp3.netscape.com/pub/communicator/4.07/development/english/unix/freebsd It seems that many of the FTP servers have had the development tree removed (to save disk space maybe ??). David E. Cross wrote: > > On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Matthew Thyer wrote: > > > OK, > > > > It seems that the main mirrors I use (Adelaide UNI and Curtin UNI - > > both in Australia) and the Netscape FTP site I visited do not have > > the development versions. I also tried Netscape's beta central site > > but only found 4.5 there. > > > > Where did you get it ? (for my benefit and the lists). > > > ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/4.07/development/english/unix/freebsd > > -- > David Cross -- /=====================================================================\ |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| \=====================================================================/ "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 09:18:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17635 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:18:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from null.cs.rpi.edu (null.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.8.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17629 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:18:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crossd@null.cs.rpi.edu) Received: from localhost (crossd@localhost) by null.cs.rpi.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id MAA02076; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:17:42 -0400 From: "David E. Cross" To: Matthew Thyer cc: "David E. Cross" , "Alok K. Dhir" , Nate Williams , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: netscape 4.07 (was: Re: something is leaking) In-Reply-To: <361A3F80.4C0C49FF@camtech.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Matthew Thyer wrote: > Sorry David, > > The development directory on that FTP server doesn't exist anymore. > > You may have to connect directly to avoid old info from your ISP's > proxy to see this. There are no proxies between me and them. I would find it surprising that since that dirtectory structure was just created Oct 5 that they would be deleting it. I find it more likely that it has not been mirrored to the other servers yet. I have also verified its existence on more than just one of netscape's ftp servers. Information obtained via 'nslookup ftp.netscape.com' will give you a list of their FTP servers (maybe not complete, but certainly those would be the authoratative ones). I logged into most of them, and over half did have the directory. Ones that I can verify do are: 207.200.74.25 207.200.74.26 and 209.143.199.10 Also, look at the timestamp on the files, 'Oct 05 20:37', CDT, I think it is quite obvious that the other sites have yet to mirror the data. -- David Cross To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 09:28:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19785 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:28:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19778 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:28:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18897; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:28:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_H=FCbsch?= cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 981003-BETA installation: ep0 vs. zp0 (+ slip problems) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 14:22:42 +0200." Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:28:45 -0700 Message-ID: <18893.907691325@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I haven't looked at the sysinstall code, but it seems that a solution is > to run ifconfig before slattach. Odd. It does that now. I haven't tested slip installs for awhile so I'll definitely put this down on my testing sheet, thanks! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 09:31:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA20437 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:31:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20420 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:31:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA17450; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:31:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA15636; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:31:30 -0600 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:31:30 -0600 Message-Id: <199810061631.KAA15636@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_H=FCbsch?= Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 981003-BETA installation: ep0 vs. zp0 (+ slip problems) In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I was running 2.2.6 on a Toshiba Satellite Pro 480 which has a 3Com > 3c589D-COMBO PCMCIA network card. This worked fine with pccard_enable=YES > and the ep0 driver. > > The zp0 driver on the 981003-BETA boot floppy detects the 3c589D but fails > to send/receive any data on the TP connector. I also tried to run a 2.2.6 > kernel with zp0 with identical result. > > Is there a fix for zp0 to make it behave like ep0 with link2 set? Sure, make sure you add 'extra flags' "-link0 -link1 link2", though I'm suprised it's link2 since I don't believe it does anything in if_zp0. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 09:40:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22756 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:40:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bolide.adhoc.net (bolide.adhoc.net [195.103.67.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22729 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:40:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pizzi@adhoc.net) Received: (from pizzi@localhost) by bolide.adhoc.net (8.9.1(PIZZI)/Ad-Hoc) id SAA03652; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:36:41 +0200 (MET DST) From: Riccardo Pizzi Message-Id: <199810061636.SAA03652@bolide.adhoc.net> Subject: ffs_balloc & -CURRENT To: bde@zeta.org.au Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:36:41 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL44 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Bruce, sorry to bother you -- I just read your post in freebsd-current and wonder whether my problem can be correlated -- I get "Supervisor read: page not present" panics very often, usually under busy I/O activity (running 3.0-19980928-BETA and using cam), and the trace from ddb always shows _ffs_balloc() as the culprit. The kernel has compiled with -O (I think it's the default, anyway). Any hints greatly appreciated! Thanks Rick -- +--------------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | Riccardo Pizzi | AD HOC Network srl | | System Administrator | Internet Service Provider | | UNIX Geek wannabe | Rimini, ITALY | +--------------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | GEEK CODE BLOCK Version: 3.1 | | GCS/CC/IT d- s++:- a C++ UBS++++ P- L+ !E--- W+$ N++$ !o K-? !w-- !O---- !M- | | V-- PS? PE Y+ !PGP- !t--- 5? X- !R tv-? b DI-? !D--- G e h++ r++ y++** | +------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 10:31:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00778 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:31:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.aha.ru (ns1.aha.ru [195.2.80.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00769 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:31:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from osa@serv.etrust.ru) Received: from sunny.aha.ru (sunny.aha.ru [195.2.83.112]) by ns1.aha.ru (8.9.1/8.9.1/aha-r/0.04B) with ESMTP id VAA13107; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:30:22 +0400 (MSD) Received: by sunny.aha.ru id VAA14710; (8.8.8/vak/1.9) Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:29:33 +0400 (MSD) Received: from unknown(195.2.84.114) by sunny.aha.ru via smap (V1.3) id sma014662; Tue Oct 6 21:29:13 1998 Received: from serv.etrust.ru by serv.etrust.ru with SMTP id VAA08801; (8.9.1/vak/1.9) Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:32:03 +0400 (MSD) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:32:03 +0400 (MSD) From: =?KOI8-R?B?88XSx8XKIO/Tz8vJzg==?= To: "Alok K. Dhir" cc: Matthew Thyer , Nate Williams , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: something is leaking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > 4.07 has been out for at least 2 days. ;} > > in -ELF ??? Rgdz, oZZ, ozz@etrust.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 10:32:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00939 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:32:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.webwizard.net.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00931 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:32:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Received: from webwizard.org.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by dns.webwizard.net.mx (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01759; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:25:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Message-ID: <361A52A4.4788AB69@webwizard.org.mx> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 12:25:56 -0500 From: Edwin Culp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Russell L. Carter" CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ELF current & mysqld References: <199810061456.HAA23519@psf.Pinyon.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Russell L. Carter" wrote: > eculp@webwizard.org.mx said: > > I built mysql322 last Friday with libc_r , NATIVE_THREADS=yes, clean, > > right out of the box. Running fine (mysql, apache 1.3.2, X11, > > afterstep-devel, natd, ipfw,samba, sharity, kernel - all elf). There > > are three different mysql's in ports though. > > > ed > > Hi Ed, > Did you build it on a recent (less than a week old) current? I > just built 3.22.7b (NATIVE_THREADS=yes) by upgrading the > existing 3.22.6a port, and it fails in the same way, on a > 2 day old current. > > I'll have to look at this later, but truss indicates that mysqladmin ver > hangs at a setsockopt call, error code 42, protocol not available. > > Russell > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message I built it Oct 1 with the world from the same day. I'll run some tests and be sure nothing is broken. ed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 10:37:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02075 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:37:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from assurance.rstcorp.com (assurance.rstcorp.com [206.29.49.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02066 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:37:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vshah@rstcorp.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by assurance.rstcorp.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11875; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:36:35 -0400 Received: from sandbox.rstcorp.com(206.29.49.63) by assurance.rstcorp.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011869; Tue, 6 Oct 98 13:35:39 -0400 Received: from jabberwock.rstcorp.com (jabberwock [206.29.49.98]) by sandbox.rstcorp.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14861; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from vshah@localhost) by jabberwock.rstcorp.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) id NAA00682; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810061735.NAA00682@jabberwock.rstcorp.com> From: "Viren R. Shah" To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: boot loader problems.. In-Reply-To: <199810061519.IAA03387@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <199810061207.IAA24122@jabberwock.rstcorp.com> <199810061519.IAA03387@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "Viren R. Shah" X-Face: )~y+U*K:yzjz{q<5lzpI_SVef'U.])9g[C9`1N@]u3,MHY7f*l7C)[_NjM4y4K8$uIUh|\u (K&&HS6,M!61&GMTk'mqmB/Qg]]X}"?TzsFl]"2v!bl8']dma.:^IY^a[lbOI>U:b<~FyK3q-p{HmZ mn~g.`~BE!5{2D:}Yi+\_KkWe?XaHj9$ko1k8iKLYv5*_2c8"G=?Up[}hn+7RNM(bzBZ_wWk6!Pf&B ?3Tcm7M7B~W%K/I0aX3]*=jP?aM]H6HBPT`oLk+0n^_;N\2\%|Rhy;p}34Q.jEsM\qtnxcm;ag%Nq Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Smith writes: >> If you need testers, I'm willing. Mike> We committed a fix last night; I'd be happy to hear whether it's Mike> working for you now. The new boot loader works now. It remembers the currect device. Thanks. Question: when I first booted, it just sat there at the Hit [enter] to boot immediately or .... prompt. At this point my /boot/boot.conf file was empty. I had to put a "boot /kernel.aout" into the /boot/boot.conf file. My boot.conf file now is: set autoboot=5 boot /kernel.aout Now it boots immediately without waiting the 5 seconds. Without the "boot /kernel.aout" line, it just sits at the "Hit [enter]..." prompt. Is there an intermediate solution where it will wait 5 seconds before autobooting kernel.aout? Viren -- Viren R. Shah | "Are those numbers measured values, viren@rstcorp.com | or are you engaging in proctonumerology?" http://www.rstcorp.com/~vshah/ | -- Bill Garrett in raswrj To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 11:07:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA06702 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:07:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06693 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:07:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22750; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:07:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd022677; Tue Oct 6 11:07:12 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA24958; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:06:41 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810061806.LAA24958@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:06:41 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, mike@smith.net.au, cracauer@cons.org, chuckr@mat.net, nate@mt.sri.com, osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810052346.QAA00749@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Oct 5, 98 04:46:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Which were you looking at? > > > > The one which was announced to the -current list by its author. > > The one that contains installation instructions that describe the > process of either symlinking or installing the shared libraries, so > that you can run things like 'vi' and 'telnet'? Are you talking about the same post for alpha-tester that was posted to -current, or something more recent, of which I am unaware? Also, where do those shared libraries come from, if the binaries are referencing Solaris specific 64 bit off_t symbols (per the Motif linkage issues)? Installing Linux shared libraries are one thing; install Solaris shared libraries are another; everyone implcitly has a Linux license, whereas obtaining the Solaris libraries involves obtaining a License for Solaris, and, if it's the "send us $15 for the free version" CDROM, *violating* that license. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 11:09:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07191 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:09:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07182 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:09:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27859; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:09:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd027832; Tue Oct 6 11:09:27 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA25100; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:09:24 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810061809.LAA25100@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: something is leaking To: jfieber@indiana.edu (John Fieber) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:09:24 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, nate@mt.sri.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "John Fieber" at Oct 5, 98 08:18:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > The netscape in question runs my wife's email and she also does the > > > occasional bit of 'surfing', but is very lightly used. > > > > PS: Congradulations! I didn't know you had gotten married! Was > > this supposed to be stealth, or did you just not tell everyone? > > Or did I just miss it? > > Check the mailing list archives. Nate's been mentioning a wife > since at least 1995, which is about as far back as the archives > go. Hey, I remember him mentioning a girlfriend a long time ago, but didn't hear the announcement... anyway, I still mean it when I say "congradulations". 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 11:14:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08318 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:14:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08303 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:14:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28642; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:14:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:14:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Lane Holcombe cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VIRTUAL MEMORY EXCEEDED during make world ... In-Reply-To: <199810040058.TAA11528@dibbs.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Lane Holcombe wrote: > How do I fix that? > > This is my first time to "make world," 'cause, (I wanna be real > cautious about entering into a new world), and my 486DX churned away > for 9.75 hours on the STABLE release ... then it stopped churning and > just sat for about an hour ... (I raked the leaves in my yard while > my computer did most of the work, but I checked it periodically ... > then ... nothing ... for about 1 hour)... Then: BOOM! > > as[.c] in malloc(): warning: recursive call\n > Fatal error: virtual memory exceeded Try running 'unlimit' first before starting make world, and/or hack /etc/login.conf, although I'll side with Mike and suggest a re-sup of your sources just in case it's a corrupted file sending as into a loop. Doug White Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 11:22:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10044 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:22:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10035 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:22:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01133 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:21:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd001100; Tue Oct 6 11:21:55 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA25546 for current@freebsd.org; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:21:54 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810061821.LAA25546@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: libkvm idiocy To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:21:54 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG For anyone who has fallen victim to the libkvm data interface idiocy: Here is how to obtain a comprehensive list of the file affected by a libkvm change: find / -group kmem -and -fstype ufs -type f Perhaps there should be a hard dependency introduced for these files, and a dependency of libkvm on /kernel? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 11:34:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA13084 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:34:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13074 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:34:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00365; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:33:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810061833.LAA00365@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Terry Lambert cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), cracauer@cons.org, chuckr@mat.net, nate@mt.sri.com, osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 18:06:41 -0000." <199810061806.LAA24958@usr04.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 11:33:32 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > Which were you looking at? > > > > > > The one which was announced to the -current list by its author. > > > > The one that contains installation instructions that describe the > > process of either symlinking or installing the shared libraries, so > > that you can run things like 'vi' and 'telnet'? > > Are you talking about the same post for alpha-tester that was posted > to -current, or something more recent, of which I am unaware? Probably the same one that I have been goading Mark into working on for a long time now. 8) > Also, where do those shared libraries come from, if the binaries > are referencing Solaris specific 64 bit off_t symbols (per the > Motif linkage issues)? Wherever you can get them from. > Installing Linux shared libraries are one thing; install Solaris > shared libraries are another; everyone implcitly has a Linux > license, whereas obtaining the Solaris libraries involves > obtaining a License for Solaris, and, if it's the "send us $15 > for the free version" CDROM, *violating* that license. Obtaining the libraries is left as an exercise for the user. They may elect to use Unixware or SCO ODT libraries instead. This is effectively the same as MAME, and all the other emulators that require you to obtain the firmware "some other way". Of curiosity, which clause in the freebie license is this violating? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 11:41:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14786 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:41:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14765 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:40:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00454; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:45:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810061845.LAA00454@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Stefan Eggers cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Two /boot/loader anomalies In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 11:18:45 +0200." <199810060918.LAA00927@semyam.dinoco.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 11:45:43 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Now with the new boot loader cvsup'ed yesterday morning CEST I noticed > that the "autoboot 5" I specified in /boot/boot.conf does get executed > but has no count down. I have to press ENTER to get it to boot. My > memory claims the one from Saturday worked when I experimented with > it. You'll get this if the timer isn't working properly. I've seen a couple of reports of this, but I haven't been able to reproduce it yet. You'll get similar behaviour if it can't work out which kernel it should be loading. In that case, it's a bug. > Another thing I noticed is the size. Why does it have about 188 KByte > of initialized data making it a nearly 200 KByte large executable? Is > this something strange with my configuration causing this, a bug or > intentional? It doesn't, the data segment is a hair over 1k. I let a -g slip into the libstand Makefile a while back; you may still have scads of debugging symbols coming in from there, which will bulk the loader image way out. You don't need this (but it makes debugging much easier of course 8). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 11:55:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18026 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:55:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18021 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:55:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05073; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:45:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:45:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Manfred Antar cc: Luoqi Chen , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new sound card files In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981002184209.00a286a0@192.168.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 2 Oct 1998, Manfred Antar wrote: > I tried to build a kernel from latest sources and I get this error : > /../include -DKERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf ../../i386/isa/snd/ad1848.c > ../../i386/isa/snd/ad1848.c: In function `cs423x_attach': > ../../i386/isa/snd/ad1848.c:1490: duplicate case value > ../../i386/isa/snd/ad1848.c:1488: this is the first entry for that value > The error above is from building elf kernel , but i get the same error with > aout kernel > This is after the new sound files from this morning. Bug, fixed, resup, if you haven't discovered that already. Doug White Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 11:56:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18275 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:56:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18208 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:56:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06780; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:55:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:55:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Warner Losh , Brian Tao , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: what is the difference between aout & elf In-Reply-To: <14197.907439833@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 3 Oct 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Sure. If the keeper said documents wants to assign me a section, I'll > > fill it in. > > Keeper? Of the FAQ? An interesting idea, maybe we should pursue > that someday. :-) > > Seriously, it's keeperless right now. Just dive on in! [cough cough] Ahem.... I thought the FAQ was my duty. You'll never know it since I don't want -questions in my personal email box, so all the pointers go to faq@freebsd.org. faq@freebsd.org gets enough misdirected mail as it is. :) In the first few days of my regime I was touchy about people committing things before telling me, but since it's a common occurance I just let it go now. But, if people want to go to the effor of HTMLizing and committing stuff, by all means go for it. I think the elf piece would fit well in 'miscellaneous' or maybe 'for serious hackers only'. Doug White Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 12:01:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19553 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:01:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.webwizard.net.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19486 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:01:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Received: from webwizard.org.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by dns.webwizard.net.mx (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA02297; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:54:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Message-ID: <361A676C.81E753CF@webwizard.org.mx> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:54:36 -0500 From: Edwin Culp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Viren R. Shah" CC: Mike Smith , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: boot loader problems.. References: <199810061207.IAA24122@jabberwock.rstcorp.com> <199810061519.IAA03387@dingo.cdrom.com> <199810061735.NAA00682@jabberwock.rstcorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It scared the s*&! out of me this morning when I rebuilt sys/boot and rebooted. It came up all by itself, with just two 's:-) I was sure I had done something wrong. Took all the fun out of booting elf:-) Thanks a lot. It's a giant step forward. ed "Viren R. Shah" wrote: > >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Smith writes: > > >> If you need testers, I'm willing. > > Mike> We committed a fix last night; I'd be happy to hear whether it's > Mike> working for you now. > > The new boot loader works now. It remembers the currect > device. Thanks. > > Question: when I first booted, it just sat there at the > > Hit [enter] to boot immediately or .... > > prompt. > > At this point my /boot/boot.conf file was empty. > > I had to put a "boot /kernel.aout" into the /boot/boot.conf file. My > boot.conf file now is: > > set autoboot=5 > boot /kernel.aout > > Now it boots immediately without waiting the 5 seconds. Without the > "boot /kernel.aout" line, it just sits at the "Hit [enter]..." > prompt. > > Is there an intermediate solution where it will wait 5 seconds before > autobooting kernel.aout? > > Viren > -- > Viren R. Shah | "Are those numbers measured values, > viren@rstcorp.com | or are you engaging in proctonumerology?" > http://www.rstcorp.com/~vshah/ | -- Bill Garrett in raswrj > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 12:08:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21680 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:08:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21656 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:08:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19676; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:08:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Doug White cc: Warner Losh , Brian Tao , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: what is the difference between aout & elf In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 11:55:40 PDT." Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 12:08:44 -0700 Message-ID: <19673.907700924@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > [cough cough] > > Ahem.... I thought the FAQ was my duty. You'll never know it since I > don't want -questions in my personal email box, so all the pointers go to > faq@freebsd.org. faq@freebsd.org gets enough misdirected mail as it is. > :) Well, I haven't seen anything actually happen with it for several months, and I know for a fact that there's quite a bit of old cruft in there, so I just assumed you'd become another in our long line of spinal tap drummer-style FAQ maintainers. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 12:16:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23588 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:16:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.mishkei.org.il (host3-64.mishkei.org.il [62.0.64.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23431 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:15:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rom_glsa@ein-hashofet.co.il) Received: from ein-hashofet.co.il (host41-68.mishkei.org.il [62.0.68.41]) by mail.mishkei.org.il (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA11912; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:14:42 +0200 Message-ID: <361A888B.1C33FE15@ein-hashofet.co.il> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 21:15:55 +0000 From: Gilad Rom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Graphical Desktop for FreeBSD. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alex wrote: > > CVSup has it's own GUI, and while not for iij-ppp, KDE has a nice little > dialer that works with the version of pppd included with fbsd. > CVSup does not have a GUI in that sense, it is merely a simple status display, And since I know how much trouble newbies are having with supfiles and selection, a small configuration tool with help and such will greatly reduce the number of people with difficulties. Same goes for ijppp, The fact remains that alot of people are using it, It is alot easier to setup than pppd and generally one of good things We here at FreeBSD have that these guys dont. Im not talking fully blown dialers with accounting information and such. Just a simple tool which you will only need to run once, to write down your ISP's phone number/name server, After all, you DO pick up all of this stuff after a few weeks of using FreeBSD. [...] > > I think this is the basic goal of both Gnome and KDE, and while I would > lean more towards making KDE the default, I think it's probably best to > leave something as neutral as twm the default. That said, I think that > some sysinstall extension to allow one to select a desktop "theme" > (perhaps, E!, Gnome or KDE, etc, etc) would be a better idea (or at least > second best). You have to remember that having KDE as default means installing both QT, the KDE libs and a number of other dependencies that really bloats the initial X installation. GTK+ will just need X installed, and consumes far less memory than the other ones do. > > > If anyone has any comments on that, Please do reply. > > This all assumes, that attracting the l33t Linux crowd is a good thing. Not necessarily. People stick with linux because they like it. And hey, We cant run Winnukes or those evil teardrop attacks "out-of-the-box", so were no good, Right? :) > > - alex > bye, Gilad. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 12:20:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24191 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:20:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from condor.peregrine.com (condor.peregrine.com [192.72.253.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24179 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:20:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erich@compecon.com) Received: from compecon.com (sys401.peregrine.com [204.33.94.101]) by condor.peregrine.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA13068; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <361A6D5A.BAD522D5@compecon.com> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 12:19:54 -0700 From: Eric Hedstrom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Thyer CC: "Alok K. Dhir" , Nate Williams , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: something is leaking References: <361A12E3.E84320B6@camtech.net.au> <361A180E.BB91A729@camtech.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG that's too odd - i downloaded the freebsd 4.07 "base install" version of communicator from the "development" directory last night (5 oct), but i just checked again & all that's there in the "development" directory today is bsdi11. they may be having problems with their builds or with their ftp server, although the 4.07 i got seems to work ok. Eric Hedstrom erich@compecon.com Matthew Thyer wrote: > > Ooops, It seems FreeBSD has fallen from Netscapes favour as only the > following versions for 4.07 are available. > > There are no longer directories for 'unsupported' versions, only > the 'shipping' directory exists. > > Luckily 4.5b2 is available for FreeBSD (aout only of course) but the > 4.07 situation worries me. > > Anyone have anymore info on this ?? > > aix4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 > dec_unix . . . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 > hpux10 . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 > hpux9. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 > irix53 . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 > irix62 . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 > linux12. . . . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 > linux20. . . . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 > sunos413 . . . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 > sunos54. . . . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 > sunos54_x86. . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 > sunos551 . . . . . . . . . . . . Oct 3 21:10 > > Matthew Thyer wrote: > > > > 4.07 has been out for at least 2 days. ;} > > > > Alok K. Dhir wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Nate Williams wrote: > > [snip] > > > > What do I win? :) > > > > > > You don't win anything :-). Netscape 3.04 is not the latest. Netscape > > > 4.06 (and 4.5pr2) are the latest... > > > > > > Al > > > > -- > > /=====================================================================\ > > |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| > > \=====================================================================/ > > "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved > > quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some > > larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the > > question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our > > Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." > > E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 > > -- > /=====================================================================\ > |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| > \=====================================================================/ > "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved > quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some > larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the > question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our > Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." > E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 12:21:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24311 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:21:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24302 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:21:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11789; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:20:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:20:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Mike Smith cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0-981004-BETA observations In-Reply-To: <199810060326.UAA01958@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > 2. When booting, the machine emits three beeps before displaying the > > boot: prompt. I tried this on two Micron PhoenixBIOS 4.04 machines. > > I didn't have my laptop's floppy drive or I'd try it too. > > This should only happen on the install floppy; it's a usability feature > which cues unsighted users to type '-h' to switch to a serial > console. (Seriously) Ok, I'll keep that in mind. I need to play with the 3.0 box a bit, but both of the BIOSes won't boot their respective disks so I use a boot floppy to get around it. I made an earlier boot floppy because that beep is annoying! :) Doug White Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 12:38:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26975 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:38:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26965 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:38:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id VAA02264; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:34:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from semyam.dinoco.de (semyam.dinoco.de [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA17472; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:26:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199810061926.VAA17472@semyam.dinoco.de> To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, seggers@semyam.dinoco.de Subject: Re: Two /boot/loader anomalies In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 11:45:43 PDT." <199810061845.LAA00454@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 21:26:14 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > that the "autoboot 5" I specified in /boot/boot.conf does get executed > > but has no count down. I have to press ENTER to get it to boot. My > You'll get this if the timer isn't working properly. I've seen a > couple of reports of this, but I haven't been able to reproduce it yet. Really strange. The call seems to be correct. :-( > It doesn't, the data segment is a hair over 1k. > > I let a -g slip into the libstand Makefile a while back; you may still That is it I guess. Over 600 KByte. ;-) I built it on Saturday and the flag was removed on Sunday according to the logs. > have scads of debugging symbols coming in from there, which will bulk > the loader image way out. You don't need this (but it makes debugging I tried "strip -aout -d" on it which didn't reduce the size. Thus I thought it would really be that large. And an a.out strip man page I don't have anymore so have no idea what other options there are for getting the desired result. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 12:41:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27396 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:41:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27355 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:40:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id VAA29592 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:40:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (VMailer, from userid 101) id 285D21458; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:23:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:23:13 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: "FreeBSD Current Users' list" Subject: Funny bug with VESA mode under syscons Message-ID: <19981006212313.A27269@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Current Users' list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-BETA/ELF ctm#4704 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was compiling X11 on my new machine (3.0 BETA, pure ELF) using the VESA_132x60 mode and the lines were scrolling down the screen when I noticed that the display slowly shifts. I mean not the display on the screen but the "starting" column shifts. When you have a line saying for example : installing ... in blah + foo bar + installing ... ... cc -DCSRG_BASED ... rm -f ... cc blah ... ... ... ..... .... .... .... ..... rm -f .... and it keeps on shifting. It is not the monitor because when I ^Z the process, the cursor return to col #0 then when I restart the process, a few lines later, it will shift again. It doesn't seem TAB ligned, sometimes it shifts for 3 characters, then 7 and so on. vga0: rev 0x30 int a irq 11 on pci0.17.0 Probing for devices on the ISA bus: VESA: v2.0, 2048k memory, flags:0x0, mode table:0xf0216a28 (100008c) VESA: STB Lightspeed 128 Video (ET6000) stty -a shows the right size (132x60). It is quite funny to watch but it is still a bug :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-BETA #2: Sat Oct 3 11:34:55 CEST 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 12:42:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27708 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:42:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27649 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:42:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29042; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:42:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd028977; Tue Oct 6 12:42:21 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA17256; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:42:13 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810061942.MAA17256@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: What about jdk-1.1.6 for FreeBSD-3.0-ELF ? To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:42:13 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, mike@smith.net.au, cracauer@cons.org, chuckr@mat.net, nate@mt.sri.com, osa@etrust.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810061833.LAA00365@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Oct 6, 98 11:33:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Of curiosity, which clause in the freebie license is this violating? Except as specifically authorized in any Supplemental License Terms, you may not make copies of Software, other than a single copy of Software for archival purposes. Unless enforcement is prohibited by applicable law, you may not modify, decompile, disassemble, or otherwise reverse engineer Software. ... This Agreement will terminate immediately without notice from Sun if you fail to comply with any provision of this Agreement. Upon termination, you must destroy all copies of Software. I believe the kicker is in the Supplemental License Terms, from hearing from those who have gone for the offer. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 12:45:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28404 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:45:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28378 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:45:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00863; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:49:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810061949.MAA00863@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Stefan Eggers cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Two /boot/loader anomalies In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 21:26:14 +0200." <199810061926.VAA17472@semyam.dinoco.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 12:49:40 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > that the "autoboot 5" I specified in /boot/boot.conf does get executed > > > but has no count down. I have to press ENTER to get it to boot. My > > > You'll get this if the timer isn't working properly. I've seen a > > couple of reports of this, but I haven't been able to reproduce it yet. > > Really strange. The call seems to be correct. :-( I'm working on it at the moment. It doesn't help that I don't know what's wrong. 8( I may have to revert to using the RTC hardware. 8( > > have scads of debugging symbols coming in from there, which will bulk > > the loader image way out. You don't need this (but it makes debugging > > I tried "strip -aout -d" on it which didn't reduce the size. Thus I > thought it would really be that large. And an a.out strip man page I > don't have anymore so have no idea what other options there are for > getting the desired result. Heh. /boot/loader is an a.out file, but the loader itself is ELF, just to really confuse things. The 'loader.bin' file is the ELF object; it gets the btx loader and btx kernel stuck onto it by btxld, which produces an a.out file so that the old bootblocks can load it. (We can do ELF too, but we're not ready for that yet.) 'size' on loader.bin might be more interesting. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 12:57:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01842 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:57:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01804 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:57:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09067; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:57:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd009029; Tue Oct 6 12:57:20 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA18722; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:57:15 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810061957.MAA18722@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: -current panics.. To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:57:15 +0000 (GMT) Cc: enkhyl@hayseed.net, mishania@demos.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810052332.QAA16333@implode.root.com> from "David Greenman" at Oct 5, 98 04:32:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >This same kind of situation can occur with a network-intensive app running > >under Solaris, too. From my own experience with tuning OSs (specifically > >Solaris 2.x), I'd agree with David's assessment. Not having delved that > >far into the details of FreeBSD "leaks" as he probably has, I can't say > >with certainty that there are none, but I'm inclined to believe him. :-) > > I should say here that I'm not saying that there aren't any "leak" bugs, > either, just that I have looked into this several time and found nothing but > mis-tuned systems. I'm also a bit incredulous since wcarchive does far more > TCP/IP than most other machines in the world, has months of uptime and no > detectable buffer leaks. I want to be clear about this: If there was a bug > that I could identify, I'd fix it immediately. "Show me the mon^H^H^Hbug!" I kind of have a question in this area... If it's possible to tune the system's static resource allocations, then why not make the allocations dynamic so that they are self tuning, and dampen the hysteresis loop so that you don't get wild swings? It's always seemed odd to me that there would ever be an "out of mbufs!" message when there was, in fact, room available to allocate more mbufs... I know, I know; too AIX-like for most people... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 13:06:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03767 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:06:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lamb.sas.com (lamb.sas.com [192.35.83.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03760 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:05:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwd@unx.sas.com) Received: from mozart (mozart.unx.sas.com [192.58.184.8]) by lamb.sas.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA13525 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb01f39.unx.sas.com by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA08080; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:05:51 -0400 Received: (from jwd@localhost) by bb01f39.unx.sas.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA13903 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:05:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jwd) From: "John W. DeBoskey" Message-Id: <199810062005.QAA13903@bb01f39.unx.sas.com> Subject: amd & server caching? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:05:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, running -current with amd version: Oct 6 15:37:41 bb01f20 amd[136]/info: am-utils version 6.0a16 (build 300004). When an nfs server is automounted, after the mount point times out and is unmounted, amd never actually stops talking to the server. This isn't bad for 1 or 2 servers, but I'm in the 100's range and this causes amd to start chewing up cpu, etc, etc... Oct 6 15:56:33 bb01f20 amd[146]/debug: Sent NFS ping to ge.unx.sas.com Oct 6 15:56:33 bb01f20 amd[146]/debug: NFS timeout in 3 seconds Oct 6 15:56:33 bb01f20 amd[146]/debug: Select waits for 3s Oct 6 15:56:33 bb01f20 amd[146]/debug: Receiving NFS ping 0x1b2 Oct 6 15:56:33 bb01f20 amd[146]/debug: file server ge.unx.sas.com type nfs is s I've been through the doc, and I can't figure out how to tell amd to simply dump all cached info about a server once it's exported filesystems have been unmounted. Also, no matter how I specify the noconn option, I always get the following in my log file: Oct 6 15:37:41 bb01f20 amd[147]/warn: noconn option exists, and was turned OFF ! (May cause NFS hangs on some systems...) There is a code path in compute_nfs_args() which doesn't cause the above to be printed out, but I don't seem to be able to do the correct incantation to figure it out. Ideas? Comments? Critiques? Thanks! John ps: My /nfs (or /net) map follows: # # Wildcard match - Can't have more than 2000 bytes in this file! # * -opts:=rw,soft,grpid,suid,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,retrans=20,timeo=20 \ hostd==${key};type:=link;fs:=..;opts:=nounmount \ host==${key};type:=link;fs:=..;opts:=nounmount \ hostd!=${key};type:=host;rhost:=${key};fs:=/remote/${key.} \ host!=${key};type:=host;rhost:=${key};fs:=/remote/${key.} To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 13:09:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04496 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:09:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04478 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:09:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id WAA03075; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:05:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from semyam.dinoco.de (semyam.dinoco.de [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00640; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:01:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199810062001.WAA00640@semyam.dinoco.de> To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, seggers@semyam.dinoco.de Subject: Boot loader's autoload bug fix (was: Re: Two /boot/loader anomalies ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 11:45:43 PDT." <199810061845.LAA00454@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:01:39 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > You'll get this if the timer isn't working properly. I've seen a The timer works perfectly! While looking for timer anomalies I figured out what really happens: It's our vidconsole.c's iskey which gets its return code reversed. The result is that the boot code's autoboot function asks the BIOS for a keypress. There is none, yet despite iskey's claim to the contra- ry. *boom* It hangs until the user presses a key and can't update the time count. And of course it never can time out for the same reason. This will make it work: Index: i386/libi386/vidconsole.c =================================================================== RCS file: /usr2/FreeBSD/CVSROOT/src/sys/boot/i386/libi386/vidconsole.c,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.3 vidconsole.c --- vidconsole.c 1998/10/02 16:32:45 1.3 +++ vidconsole.c 1998/10/06 19:52:05 @@ -110,7 +110,7 @@ v86.addr = 0x16; v86.eax = 0x100; v86int(); - return(v86.eax); + return(! v86.eax); } #if KEYBOARD_PROBE Stefan. -- Stefan Eggers Lu4 yao2 zhi1 ma3 li4, Max-Slevogt-Str. 1 ri4 jiu3 jian4 ren2 xin1. 51109 Koeln Federal Republic of Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 13:13:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05736 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:13:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skraldespand.demos.su (skraldespand.demos.su [194.87.5.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05713 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:13:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mishania@skraldespand.demos.su) Received: by skraldespand.demos.su id AAA26037; (8.8.8/D) Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:13:08 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <19981007001308.11085@demos.su> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:13:08 +0400 From: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" To: Terry Lambert Cc: dg@root.com, enkhyl@hayseed.net, mishania@demos.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current panics.. References: <199810052332.QAA16333@implode.root.com> <199810061957.MAA18722@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <199810061957.MAA18722@usr08.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 07:57:15PM +0000 Organization: Demos Company, Ltd., Moscow, Russian Federation. X-Point-of-View: Gravity is myth, - the earth sucks. X-Useless-Header: Look ma! It's a # sign! Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Talking about being AIX-ish - the precedent is there - FDSETSIZE, isn' it? On Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 07:57:15PM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: # > >This same kind of situation can occur with a network-intensive app running # > >under Solaris, too. From my own experience with tuning OSs (specifically # > >Solaris 2.x), I'd agree with David's assessment. Not having delved that # > >far into the details of FreeBSD "leaks" as he probably has, I can't say # > >with certainty that there are none, but I'm inclined to believe him. :-) # > # > I should say here that I'm not saying that there aren't any "leak" bugs, # > either, just that I have looked into this several time and found nothing but # > mis-tuned systems. I'm also a bit incredulous since wcarchive does far more # > TCP/IP than most other machines in the world, has months of uptime and no # > detectable buffer leaks. I want to be clear about this: If there was a bug # > that I could identify, I'd fix it immediately. "Show me the mon^H^H^Hbug!" # # I kind of have a question in this area... # # If it's possible to tune the system's static resource allocations, # then why not make the allocations dynamic so that they are self # tuning, and dampen the hysteresis loop so that you don't get wild # swings? # # # It's always seemed odd to me that there would ever be an "out of # mbufs!" message when there was, in fact, room available to allocate # more mbufs... # # I know, I know; too AIX-like for most people... # # # Terry Lambert # terry@lambert.org # --- # Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present # or previous employers. -- -mishania To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 13:16:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA06653 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:16:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06648 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:16:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01019; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:20:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810062020.NAA01019@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Stefan Eggers cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Boot loader's autoload bug fix (was: Re: Two /boot/loader anomalies ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:01:39 +0200." <199810062001.WAA00640@semyam.dinoco.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:20:25 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > You'll get this if the timer isn't working properly. I've seen a > > The timer works perfectly! While looking for timer anomalies I > figured out what really happens: It's our vidconsole.c's iskey which > gets its return code reversed. > > The result is that the boot code's autoboot function asks the BIOS for > a keypress. There is none, yet despite iskey's claim to the contra- > ry. *boom* It hangs until the user presses a key and can't update the > time count. And of course it never can time out for the same reason. > > This will make it work: Actually, that's not quite right either. You should check the Z flag, ie. return(!(vm86.efl & PSL_Z)); and include Can you check this for me? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 13:28:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09809 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:28:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.elpost.com (DNS2.ELPOST.COM [193.15.1.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA09622 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:28:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johan@granlund.nu) Received: from phoenix.granlund.nu (t3o29p3.telia.com [194.236.215.3]) by mail.elpost.com (2.5 Build 2626 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA00141; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:27:53 +0200 Received: from pegasys (pegasys.granlund.nu [192.168.0.2]) by phoenix.granlund.nu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA00311; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:15:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from johan@phoenix.granlund.nu) Message-Id: <199810062015.WAA00311@phoenix.granlund.nu> From: "Johan Granlund" To: "Kenneth D. Merry" , dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:15:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Exabyte 8200 and CAM, Take 2 CC: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199810052246.QAA28339@panzer.plutotech.com> References: from Duncan Barclay at "Oct 5, 98 08:53:30 pm" X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bingo That did it. I haven't tried to use the drive, but it survives the probe. I played around a little with the patch and found out that multi-lun is not a factor, but serial number requests is. Tried both with and without multi-lun support enabled on the controller and with only "CAM_QUIRK_SERIAL" in the quirkentry. With multilun support enabled the tape drive shows up on all luns in the bios probe, but only at lun 0 when probed by CAM as it should. Food for thought: The tapedrive survived the probe with (duncans) ncr controller but dies horrible with my adaptec 2940 one. /Johan > Duncan Barclay wrote... > > > > On 05-Oct-98 Johan Granlund wrote: > > > > > > [Long Snip] > > > > > > > > >> Strange, my Exabyte 8200 probes fine with no lockups, I have a NCR810 > > >> card. Current as of about 06:30GMT 2/10/98. Exabyte has same firmware > > >> as yours. > > > > Having now got some tapes for this drive it locks up when being _used_ > > under CAM. It probes fine though. > > It isn't surprising that y'all are having trouble with 8200's under CAM. > The tape driver needs some work before it will work around all the bugs in > all the old (and often broken) tape drives out there. > > Hopefully we'll be able to do something about it before 3.0, but for now, > just realize that it's a little broken. > > I've attached a patch to disable multi-lun probing and serial number > requests; that should allow the drive to at least probe properly. > > We'll probably end up disabling serial number inquiries and multi-lun > probing for all SCSI-1 devices. (need to adjust the transport layer quirk > mechanism to handle that, first) > > Ken > -- > Kenneth Merry > ken@plutotech.com > ___________________________________________________________ Internet: johan@granlund.nu I don't even speak for myself To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 13:52:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15851 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:52:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (sf3-77.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.84.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15717 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:52:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA01853; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:54:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:54:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: Gilad Rom cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Graphical Desktop for FreeBSD. In-Reply-To: <361A888B.1C33FE15@ein-hashofet.co.il> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Gilad Rom wrote: [...] > You have to remember that having KDE as default means installing both > QT, the KDE libs and a number of other dependencies that really bloats > the initial X installation. GTK+ will just need X installed, and > consumes far less memory than the other ones do. Ehm. No. Not if you go by the ports. The gnomelibs port depends on tiff, gif, png, jpeg, Xpm, gtk, glib, gettext, gdk_imlib (imlib), and ORBit. This is _more_ than KDE. Check it out. In all actuality, one could create a Qt app that doesn't depend on X, and a KDE app that really wouldn't need a bunch of other libs (kdeui, kdecore, qt, Xext, X11, stdc++, c, m). Gnome offers little or no advantage here. The only thing that could be considered an advantage would be that it's written in C, which IMO, is not a good thing for OOP programming (your opinion obviously differs). > > This all assumes, that attracting the l33t Linux crowd is a good thing. > > Not necessarily. People stick with linux because they like it. And > hey, We cant run Winnukes or those evil teardrop attacks > "out-of-the-box", so were no good, > Right? :) No. RedHat, the apotime of easy to use Unicies, really does attract quite a few clueless Windows users who think they are all that because they know how to install RedHat (read: follow a few simple instructions). While, I think an easier to use config is a good thing, and I'd like to see the majority of desktops running a Unixish OS, I think that FreeBSD is definately not an OS to market to the Unix newbie. - alex | "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern | | technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." | | Powered by FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 13:53:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16159 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:53:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16062 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:53:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id WAA06997; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:52:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from semyam.dinoco.de (semyam.dinoco.de [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00636; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:52:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199810062052.WAA00636@semyam.dinoco.de> To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, seggers@semyam.dinoco.de Subject: Re: Boot loader's autoload bug fix (was: Re: Two /boot/loader anomalies ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:20:25 PDT." <199810062020.NAA01019@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:52:01 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Actually, that's not quite right either. You should check the Z flag, > ie. Now that I read it again I saw my mistake. I am used to the AmigaOS call convention where one usually returns results only in D0 which would be our accumulator and thus a stutus would have been there. > return(!(vm86.efl & PSL_Z)); > > and include > > Can you check this for me? Did it and with this test it always thinks a character was input and wait for the user.-> Same as before. Reversing the test makes it ignore all user input. I guess I'll try the subfunction 11h - maybe that works better. Stefan. -- Stefan Eggers Lu4 yao2 zhi1 ma3 li4, Max-Slevogt-Str. 1 ri4 jiu3 jian4 ren2 xin1. 51109 Koeln Federal Republic of Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 14:03:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19144 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:03:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (sf3-77.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.84.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19049 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:02:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA01928; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:03:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:03:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: Matthew Thyer cc: Werner Griessl , Scott Wilson , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: qt-1.40 hosed? In-Reply-To: <361A25DD.1A3A2D53@camtech.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Matthew Thyer wrote: > I have fully built the world, XFree86 and kde in ELF format on two > different -CURRENT systems (both single processors, one a P5 the > other a PII) without problems (after kde was fixed for ELF builds > only recently). > > All I can suggest is that you may not have updated your system > properly during these fast changing times in -CURRENT. Or you have > been trying to build the ports before they have been fixed for ELF > or you have a bunch of old a.out libraries that are confusing things. Ehm. No. Qt fucked up. period. Qt 1.40 was "accidentally" released with older Makefiles which broke on fbsd (aout and elf). Qt 1.41 was recently released, and _still_ uses an aout specific method for building shared libs (it depends on /usr/lib/c++rt0.o). I was kindly told that FreeBSD compatibility was not important when I reported this to them ages ago. AFAIK the Qt 1.4x port hasn't been updated. FWIW, I've built Qt ELF many times over (gotta love egcs). - alex | "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern | | technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." | | Powered by FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 14:08:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20796 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:08:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (sf3-77.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.84.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20665 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:08:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA01997 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:10:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:10:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: current Subject: Something else seems to be leaking... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Welp. I finally got aorund to toying with kcminfo (some obscure thing from KDE), and it's leaking like a sieve. Naturally I think that it's to blame, however I've managed to narrow it down to a few lines of code (which have been reported to not leak on -stable): /* Q&D hack for swap display. Borrowed from xsysinfo-1.4 */ if ((pipe = popen("/usr/sbin/pstat -ks", "r")) == NULL) { used = total = 1; return; } fgets(buf, sizeof(buf), pipe); fgets(buf, sizeof(buf), pipe); fgets(buf, sizeof(buf), pipe); fgets(buf, sizeof(buf), pipe); strtok(buf, " "); total_str = strtok(NULL, " "); used_str = strtok(NULL, " "); pclose(pipe); Commenting everything but the popen and pclose things, doesn't seem to fix anything. This is called from some sort of timer every second or so, so the leak is rather apparent. - alex | "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern | | technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." | | Powered by FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 14:35:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29707 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:35:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29577 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:34:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) id OAA16943; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19981006143412.A16905@nuxi.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:34:12 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: "John W. DeBoskey" , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: amd & server caching? Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199810062005.QAA13903@bb01f39.unx.sas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199810062005.QAA13903@bb01f39.unx.sas.com>; from John W. DeBoskey on Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 04:05:50PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I've been through the doc, and I can't figure out how to tell > amd to simply dump all cached info about a server once it's exported > filesystems have been unmounted. ``amq -f'' > Oct 6 15:37:41 bb01f20 amd[147]/warn: noconn option exists, and was turned OFF > ! (May cause NFS hangs on some systems...) > > There is a code path in compute_nfs_args() which doesn't cause > the above to be printed out, but I don't seem to be able to do the > correct incantation to figure it out. > > Ideas? Comments? Critiques? This always happens right now. The code speaks of NFS problems in FreeBSD, but I don't know 3.0's NFS well enough to know if it is safe to not ignore the option. I wanted to wait until after 3.0 to revisit this. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 15:01:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07313 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:01:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07080 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:00:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA05539; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:01:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:01:47 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: Alex cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Graphical Desktop for FreeBSD. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Not necessarily. People stick with linux because they like it. And > > hey, We cant run Winnukes or those evil teardrop attacks > > "out-of-the-box", so were no good, > > Right? :) > > No. RedHat, the apotime of easy to use Unicies, really does attract quite > a few clueless Windows users who think they are all that because they know > how to install RedHat (read: follow a few simple instructions). While, I > think an easier to use config is a good thing, and I'd like to see the > majority of desktops running a Unixish OS, I think that FreeBSD is > definately not an OS to market to the Unix newbie. FreeBSD is VERY intuative, the ports collection, cvsup'ing your machine are things that make freebsd very attractive to newbies as well as experianced users. i find it quite a nightmare to change settings on any other flavor of Unix without the vendor's GUI admintool because the obfuscated messy filesystem structure of the config files. thanks to Jordan for his sysinstall utility, smart snappy and useful. and it can't get much better than /etc/rc.conf which is really cool and makes changing boot options an easy thing to do. Alfred Perlstein - Programmer, HotJobs Inc. - www.hotjobs.com -- There are operating systems, and then there's FreeBSD. -- http://www.freebsd.org/ 3.0-current To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 15:16:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA11322 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:16:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.camalott.com (mail.camalott.com [208.203.140.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA11057 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:15:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joelh@gnu.org) Received: from detlev.UUCP (tex-97.camalott.com [208.229.74.97]) by mail.camalott.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA06166; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:17:19 -0500 Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA01616; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:59:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from joelh) To: Bruce Evans Subject: Re: ftp://hub.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/3.0-19981002-BETA References: <199810040147.LAA15012@godzilla.zeta.org.au> From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: 05 Oct 1998 18:57:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: Bruce Evans's message of "Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:47:08 +1000" Message-ID: <86btnqblz6.fsf@detlev.UUCP> Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bruce Evans writes: >> I think there's actually a problem with the CAM drivers, in that none >> of them are showing up in userconfig. I don't know what's going on >> here, and haven't had time to investigate yet. > Neither userconfig nor dset knows about isa_devtab_cam, so CAM ISA > drivers don't show up in userconfig and can't be changed. The current > ones have nothing changeable anyway (another bug - they use builtin > tables of ports so ISA conflict checking is broken, and if there is a > conflict then you can't fix it by setting the port). Regrettably, this gave me a minor twitch: the bt0 probe tried to operate, and messed up my aha0. Fortunately, ahareset did its thing fine. (See my other post for more details, including a dmesg dump.) Best, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 15:16:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA11263 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:16:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.camalott.com (mail.camalott.com [208.203.140.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA11055 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:15:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joelh@gnu.org) Received: from detlev.UUCP (tex-97.camalott.com [208.229.74.97]) by mail.camalott.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA06150; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:17:13 -0500 Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA02361; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:34:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:34:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199810060034.TAA02361@detlev.UUCP> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: BETA problems From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At the beginning of this weekend, I started installing the 0928 beta. Due to phone line quality issues out here, it took two days, and ended with me installing the necessary stuff plus the (then released) 1002 source, and then doing a make world. (One suggestion: If an install fails due to a network failure, restart at the block instead of at the distribution.) During the install, I noticed that the CAM drivers don't appear in user_config. I know this was discussed elsewhere, but my $0.02 says get it in before release if possible. The only actual problem this caused was that I couldn't disable the drivers, in particular bt0, which led to this later: bt0: Invalid Command 0x8d bt0: btreset - Diagnostic Active failed to assert. status = 0x30 bt0: Failed Status Reg Test - ff bt0: Failed Status Reg Test - ff bt0: Failed Status Reg Test - ff bt0: Failed Status Reg Test - ff bt0: Failed Status Reg Test - ff bt0 not found aha0: Invalid Command 0x8d aha0: ahareset - Diagnostic Active failed to assert. status = 0x30 aha0 at 0x330-0x333 irq 11 drq 5 on isa aha0: AHA-1542C FW Rev. 0.1 (ID=44)SCSI Host Adapter, SCSI ID 7, 17 CCBs aha0 still worked fine after that. In the release notes, we say that the 3C509 is supported. Preliminary tests indicate that the ep0 driver in the 10/02 beta is in less of a functioning state than ever. (Does anybody know how to get the blasted 3C509 programmers' specs?) In GENERIC, we don't have enough buffer space to handle a -v boot. We may want to do something about that. While I'm at it, our default kernel buffer space of 8k is not enough to handle a -v boot on my machine. I've upped my limit, but is this what we want as the default behaviour? At one point in the install, I had booted to single-mode (I had retrieved bin and so forth, I was now after src). I had run ppp by hand (ppp -auto -alias camalott). I had, for some reason that I don't recall anymore I had hit "Cancel" for the sysinstall site selector (the menu one, not the manual entry one) and sysinstall dumped core. After finishing the install and rebooting (but not yet making world to get the 10/02 beta), while in single-user, I discovered a problem with the mouse. After marking text for copy, when I pressed the middle button, I got several identical messages that I forgot to write down. I'm going to try to tickle the bug again. (I was in single-user and had run /etc/rc, if that's significant.) Now, after making world, compiling a new kernel, and rebooting, I get a string of SCSI probe messages during boot: (probe2:aha0:0:2:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 (probe2:aha0:0:2:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 (probe2:aha0:0:2:0): Invalid field in CDB (probe3:aha0:0:3:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 (probe3:aha0:0:3:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 (probe3:aha0:0:3:0): Invalid field in CDB (probe4:aha0:0:4:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 (probe4:aha0:0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST (probe5:aha0:0:5:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 (probe5:aha0:0:5:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 (probe5:aha0:0:5:0): Invalid field in CDB field replaceable unit: 14 (probe6:aha0:0:6:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 (probe6:aha0:0:6:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 (probe6:aha0:0:6:0): Invalid field in CDB sks:c0,1 These messages were also present when booting with GENERIC, except for id 4 (a tape drive), and the orders of ids 5 and 6 were switched. If anybody can address any of these issues, please let me know. Happy hacking, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 15:20:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12908 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:20:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.my.domain (host42-68.mishkei.org.il [62.0.68.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12685 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:20:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lickyou@localhost.my.domain) Received: (from lickyou@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.9.1/8.8.7) id AAA00280; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:20:00 GMT (envelope-from lickyou) Message-ID: <19981007001959.A256@mishkei.org.il> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:19:59 +0000 From: Gilad Rom To: Alex Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Graphical Desktop for FreeBSD. Reply-To: rom_glsa@ein-hashofet.co.il References: <361A888B.1C33FE15@ein-hashofet.co.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Alex on Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 01:54:00PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG No, I didnt mean GNOME, I mean GTK+. Its a standalone toolkit, We dont need GNOME to be installed in order to use GTK applications. Only X ones, which makes it more applicable. Same goes for QT, however, Since I plan on doing these so called "front ends", and I dont do Qt, I guess ill use GTK since I like it alot... ;) If you have a better suggestion and are willing to contribute the Qt parts, youre welcome. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 15:38:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17720 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:38:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from locnar.eng.mindspring.net (locnar.eng.mindspring.net [207.69.192.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17600 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:37:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sevn@mindspring.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by locnar.eng.mindspring.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA13016 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:35:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sevn@mindspring.net) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:35:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Wilson X-Sender: sevn@locnar.eng.mindspring.net To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: qt-1.40 hosed? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I installed egcs, and got an error involving c++rt0 when I tried to compile. Then I did an ugly thing. ; ) sevn{locnar}/usr/lib$ ln -s aout/c++rt0.o c++rt0.o sevn{locnar}/usr/lib$ ls -la total 7 drwxr-xr-x 4 root wheel 512 Oct 6 16:21 . drwxr-xr-x 25 root wheel 1024 Oct 6 10:49 .. drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 4096 Oct 5 22:15 aout lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 13 Oct 6 16:21 c++rt0.o -> aout/c++rt0.o drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 1024 Oct 5 22:06 compat And it compiled this time. ; ) Thanks for all the help. Scott Wilson On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Alex wrote: > On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Matthew Thyer wrote: > > > I have fully built the world, XFree86 and kde in ELF format on two > > different -CURRENT systems (both single processors, one a P5 the > > other a PII) without problems (after kde was fixed for ELF builds > > only recently). > > > > All I can suggest is that you may not have updated your system > > properly during these fast changing times in -CURRENT. Or you have > > been trying to build the ports before they have been fixed for ELF > > or you have a bunch of old a.out libraries that are confusing things. > > Ehm. No. Qt fucked up. period. Qt 1.40 was "accidentally" released with > older Makefiles which broke on fbsd (aout and elf). Qt 1.41 was recently > released, and _still_ uses an aout specific method for building shared > libs (it depends on /usr/lib/c++rt0.o). I was kindly told that FreeBSD > compatibility was not important when I reported this to them ages ago. > > AFAIK the Qt 1.4x port hasn't been updated. FWIW, I've built Qt ELF > many times over (gotta love egcs). > > - alex > > | "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern | > | technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." | > | Powered by FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ | > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 15:50:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20233 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:50:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (gatekeeper.Alameda.net [207.90.181.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20105 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ulf@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net) Received: by Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id PAA09391; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19981006154946.A6431@Alameda.net> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:49:46 -0700 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav_?= , Luigi Rizzo Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/isa/snd CARDS README ad1848.c dmabuf.c mss.h sb_dsp.c sbcard.h sound.c sound.h Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: <199810060925.KAA06109@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3Cxzp1zoliwtg=2Efsf=40skejdbrimir=2Eifi=2Euio=2Eno=3E=3B?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_from_Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav__on_Tue=2C_Oct_06=2C_199?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?8_at_04:34:03PM_+0200?= Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 04:34:03PM +0200, Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav wrote: > Luigi Rizzo writes: > > > Do you want a full dmesg and pnpinfo of the Vibra16X? > > yes please, plain ascii, but i am almost sure you misconfigured > > the second dma channel. Try > > > > pnp 1 0 os enable port0 0x220 irq0 5 drq0 1 drq1 0 > > It works. You should mention this in src/sys/i386/isa/snd/CARDS; the > only example there sets the second DMA channel to 5, which works for > the SB32 but not for the SB16PnP. This is what it says: > > CHIPSET: > SB16: PnP id 0x__008c0e > Vibra16X: PnP id 0xf0008c0e > > MANUFACTURER: > CreativeLabs > > DATA SHEETS: > http://www.creative.com sbhwpg.pdf or SBHWPG.EXE > > PNP CONFIG: > pnp 1 0 os enable port0 0x220 irq0 5 drq0 1 drq1 5 CSN 1 Vendor ID: CTL0070 [0x70008c0e] Serial 0xffffffff Comp ID: PNPb02f [0x2fb0d041] pcm1 (SB16pnp sn 0xffffffff) at 0x220-0x22f irq 7 drq 3 flags 0x17 on isa pcm0 not found in the kernel config file: controller pnp0 device pcm0 at isa? port ? tty irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x0 vector pcmintr So it doesn't find pcm0, but automatic adds pcm1. > > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 15:52:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20494 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:52:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20371 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:51:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA20425; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:51:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA02550; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:51:19 -0600 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:51:19 -0600 Message-Id: <199810062251.QAA02550@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Kris Kennaway Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Improper sharing of modem bandwidth In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Recently I've noticed my system behaving differently during downloads; > when I initiate a file download it tends to consume all available > modem bandwidth, to the exclusion of all other things like open telnet > sessions. .... > Until recently, I was not experiencing anywhere near this kind of lag > during a single file transfer. I'm very suprised you'd say this, since FreeBSD has behaved this way since version 0.1, and even in the 386BSD days. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 16:10:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23275 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:10:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (sf3-77.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.84.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23195 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:10:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA02267; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:12:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:12:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: Scott Wilson cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: qt-1.40 hosed? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Scott Wilson wrote: > > I installed egcs, and got an error involving c++rt0 when I tried to > compile. Then I did an ugly thing. ; ) > > sevn{locnar}/usr/lib$ ln -s aout/c++rt0.o c++rt0.o > sevn{locnar}/usr/lib$ ls -la > total 7 > drwxr-xr-x 4 root wheel 512 Oct 6 16:21 . > drwxr-xr-x 25 root wheel 1024 Oct 6 10:49 .. > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 4096 Oct 5 22:15 aout > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 13 Oct 6 16:21 c++rt0.o -> aout/c++rt0.o > drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 1024 Oct 5 22:06 compat > > > And it compiled this time. ; ) Yes, but did it work? Even if it does, this is a, how to but it bluntly, bad idea. - alex | "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern | | technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." | | Powered by FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 16:26:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26653 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:26:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26599 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:26:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (sji-ca11-102.ix.netcom.com [209.109.237.102]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18078 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.6.9) id QAA07881; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810062326.QAA07881@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: CDROM as system disk From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'm thinking about using CDROMs as boot (system) disks on our cluster. This is because the internal (IDE) drives shipped with the PCs seem to have an enormous failure rate (25% in 1 1/2 years) and it's also a pain in the backside to replace them. (We have external (SCSI) disks too but would like to avoid using them as anything other than swap and logs for reasons that I will not go into here.) So, the question is: is there anyone out there using this kind of setup? Obviously lots of stuff (except /tmp and /var) has to be read-only, and I could get rid of most of the boot-time warnings and errors with the following patches (relative to -stable) to move motd and nologin to /var/run: === Index: etc/login.conf =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/etc/login.conf,v retrieving revision 1.9.2.7 diff -u -r1.9.2.7 login.conf --- login.conf 1998/03/09 03:03:23 1.9.2.7 +++ login.conf 1998/10/06 23:04:47 @@ -51,7 +51,7 @@ # standard:\ :copyright=/etc/COPYRIGHT:\ - :welcome=/etc/motd:\ + :welcome=/var/run/motd:\ :setenv=MAIL=/var/mail/$,BLOCKSIZE=K,EDITOR=/usr/bin/ee:\ :path=~/bin /bin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin:\ :manpath=/usr/share/man /usr/local/man:\ Index: etc/rc =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/etc/rc,v retrieving revision 1.104.2.37 diff -u -r1.104.2.37 rc --- rc 1998/09/16 22:43:36 1.104.2.37 +++ rc 1998/10/06 23:24:02 @@ -143,8 +143,6 @@ chmod 666 /dev/tty[pqrsPQRS]* # clean up left-over files -rm -f /etc/nologin - clean_var # If it hasn't already been done rm /var/run/clean_var Index: etc/rc.local =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/etc/rc.local,v retrieving revision 1.21.2.2 diff -u -r1.21.2.2 rc.local --- rc.local 1998/02/15 14:24:49 1.21.2.2 +++ rc.local 1998/10/06 23:04:37 @@ -9,13 +9,11 @@ # . /etc/rc.conf #fi -T=/tmp/_motd +T=/var/run/motd rm -f $T uname -v | sed -e 's,^\([^#]*\) #\(.* [1-2][0-9][0-9][0-9]\).*/\([^\]*\) $,\1 (\3) #\2,' > $T awk '{if (NR == 1) {if ($1 == "FreeBSD") {next} else {print "\n"$0}} else {print}}' < /etc/motd >> $T -cp $T /etc/motd -chmod 644 /etc/motd -rm -f $T +chmod 644 $T echo -n 'starting local daemons:' Index: include/paths.h =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/include/paths.h,v retrieving revision 1.7 diff -u -r1.7 paths.h --- paths.h 1995/09/23 15:14:25 1.7 +++ paths.h 1998/10/06 22:47:37 @@ -55,7 +55,7 @@ #define _PATH_MAILDIR "/var/mail" #define _PATH_MAN "/usr/share/man" #define _PATH_MEM "/dev/mem" -#define _PATH_NOLOGIN "/etc/nologin" +#define _PATH_NOLOGIN "/var/run/nologin" #define _PATH_SENDMAIL "/usr/sbin/sendmail" #define _PATH_SHELLS "/etc/shells" #define _PATH_TTY "/dev/tty" === (Incidentally, nologin seems to belong to /var/run in all senses of the word; does anyone know why it's in /etc at all?) The other "gotchas" I see are caused by tty perms in /dev, as /etc/rc tries to chmod them as well as fbtab (if you're running X) and mesg and so on. These should go away with devfs so I'm not too worried. Pretty much everything in /var needs to be read-write, so I guess swap, /tmp and /var should still be on a hard disk. (/tmp can be on MFS.) But only /var needs to be preserved across reboots so this shouldn't be to much of a problem. One problem is how to identify the hostname. Since it is currently set in /etc/rc.conf, and we'd like to have only one CDROM for all our 20+ machines, there should be some way to have the hosts identify themselves. I see a bootparamd (can this be used from CDROM boots?). Another possibility is to keep a table of "ethernet address:IP address" pairs on the CDROM but that requires burning another CD when the ethernet card goes bad so I'd like to avoid that. Since this table can be kept on an NIS server, the question is how to get the machines to talk to the server long enough to obtain the table. An idea I came up with is: (1) During boot, machine picks an IP address (at random) in a certain range (2) If there is conflict (can this be found easily?), go to (1) (3) Use that IP address to query the NIS server to get the real IP address Any other ideas? Another thing I'm thinking is to make this CDROM self-contained; that is, you can stick this into any machine without anything in the internal disk and it will automatically generate necessary filesystems and mount them. This will make adding new machines to the cluster very easy. What do you guys think? Am I totally off the mark? Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 16:27:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26720 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:27:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26667 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:26:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00703; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810062326.QAA00703@implode.root.com> To: Terry Lambert cc: enkhyl@hayseed.net, mishania@demos.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current panics.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 19:57:15 -0000." <199810061957.MAA18722@usr08.primenet.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 16:26:05 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> >This same kind of situation can occur with a network-intensive app running >> >under Solaris, too. From my own experience with tuning OSs (specifically >> >Solaris 2.x), I'd agree with David's assessment. Not having delved that >> >far into the details of FreeBSD "leaks" as he probably has, I can't say >> >with certainty that there are none, but I'm inclined to believe him. :-) >> >> I should say here that I'm not saying that there aren't any "leak" bugs, >> either, just that I have looked into this several time and found nothing but >> mis-tuned systems. I'm also a bit incredulous since wcarchive does far more >> TCP/IP than most other machines in the world, has months of uptime and no >> detectable buffer leaks. I want to be clear about this: If there was a bug >> that I could identify, I'd fix it immediately. "Show me the mon^H^H^Hbug!" > >I kind of have a question in this area... > >If it's possible to tune the system's static resource allocations, >then why not make the allocations dynamic so that they are self >tuning, and dampen the hysteresis loop so that you don't get wild >swings? > > >It's always seemed odd to me that there would ever be an "out of >mbufs!" message when there was, in fact, room available to allocate >more mbufs... The kernel address space and layout is a carefully crafted and tuned finite resource. There are several cases where decent performance demands that certain things be statically allocated, and virtual memory for network buffers is one of those things. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 16:33:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA27613 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:33:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zone.syracuse.net (zone.syracuse.net [205.232.47.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27546 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:32:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@zone.syracuse.net) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by zone.syracuse.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA23923; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:28:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Feldman To: Stefan Eggers cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Two /boot/loader anomalies In-Reply-To: <199810061926.VAA17472@semyam.dinoco.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ahem, watch carefully: man -S 1aout strip Cheers, Brian Feldman On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Stefan Eggers wrote: > > > that the "autoboot 5" I specified in /boot/boot.conf does get executed > > > but has no count down. I have to press ENTER to get it to boot. My > > > You'll get this if the timer isn't working properly. I've seen a > > couple of reports of this, but I haven't been able to reproduce it yet. > > Really strange. The call seems to be correct. :-( > > > It doesn't, the data segment is a hair over 1k. > > > > I let a -g slip into the libstand Makefile a while back; you may still > > That is it I guess. Over 600 KByte. ;-) I built it on Saturday and > the flag was removed on Sunday according to the logs. > > > have scads of debugging symbols coming in from there, which will bulk > > the loader image way out. You don't need this (but it makes debugging > > I tried "strip -aout -d" on it which didn't reduce the size. Thus I > thought it would really be that large. And an a.out strip man page I > don't have anymore so have no idea what other options there are for > getting the desired result. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 16:33:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA27676 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:33:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA27611 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:33:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0zQgb3-0006ZJ-00; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:32:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:32:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Kris Kennaway cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Improper sharing of modem bandwidth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Kris Kennaway wrote: > initiate a file download it tends to consume all available modem bandwidth, to > the exclusion of all other things like open telnet sessions. Once the download > This is the source of the recent comment I made here re binary transfers > coming through at a faster rate than usual (1.7k, which is probably the > absolute limit for my modem when you include protocol overhead). I suspect that your system is negotiating a very large TCP window. This means that a very large amount of data will queue at the other end of your PPP link, blocking other traffic. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 16:41:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29195 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:41:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from locnar.eng.mindspring.net (locnar.eng.mindspring.net [207.69.192.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29064 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:40:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sevn@mindspring.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by locnar.eng.mindspring.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA13195 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:38:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sevn@mindspring.net) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:38:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Wilson X-Sender: sevn@locnar.eng.mindspring.net To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: qt-1.40 hosed? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yup. It worked. I supposed I could have looked harder and tried to find and edit the reference to the lib, but I had a "been working on this for way too long I have other things to do I hope this works" attack. Scott On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Alex wrote: > On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Scott Wilson wrote: > > > > > I installed egcs, and got an error involving c++rt0 when I tried to > > compile. Then I did an ugly thing. ; ) > > > > sevn{locnar}/usr/lib$ ln -s aout/c++rt0.o c++rt0.o > > sevn{locnar}/usr/lib$ ls -la > > total 7 > > drwxr-xr-x 4 root wheel 512 Oct 6 16:21 . > > drwxr-xr-x 25 root wheel 1024 Oct 6 10:49 .. > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 4096 Oct 5 22:15 aout > > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 13 Oct 6 16:21 c++rt0.o -> aout/c++rt0.o > > drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 1024 Oct 5 22:06 compat > > > > > > And it compiled this time. ; ) > > Yes, but did it work? Even if it does, this is a, how to but it bluntly, > bad idea. > > - alex > > | "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern | > | technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." | > | Powered by FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ | > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 17:02:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04420 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:02:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA04371 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:02:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11930; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:02:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd011797; Tue Oct 6 17:02:10 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA11909; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:02:03 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810070002.RAA11909@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: -current panics.. To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:02:03 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, enkhyl@hayseed.net, mishania@demos.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810062326.QAA00703@implode.root.com> from "David Greenman" at Oct 6, 98 04:26:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >It's always seemed odd to me that there would ever be an "out of > >mbufs!" message when there was, in fact, room available to allocate > >more mbufs... > > The kernel address space and layout is a carefully crafted and tuned > finite resource. There are several cases where decent performance demands > that certain things be statically allocated, and virtual memory for network > buffers is one of those things. I understand the 3.5G/.5G and 2G/2G KVA split... but can't this be implemented using seperate virtual addres spaces? Alternately, 2G is not so small that not having 3.5G would be a bad thing, I think. As for allocation policies: I can also see a reason for a high water mark, so that one subsystem does not monopolize resources, or an implemetnation that "broadcasts" a "give back all the memory you can please" to all subsystems that eat memory. On the other hand, denying resources because of policy rather than technological reasons has always struck me as silly, on the grounds that I might as well be allowed to use resources no one else is using, at least until such time as there's a real shortage. The idea that hard-coded limits should become soft-coded in the absence of resource contention isn't new, and the fact is that it will make a lot of things "just work". I'd much rather a process be killed for being over it's memory quota *only* in a situation where a genuine memory shortage exists, but allowing the process to run otherwise. The mbuf ownership is more problematic, in that we would need to identify a priority list of resource user... for example, you could revoke ownership of FIN_WAIT_2 mbufs, then of TIME_WAIT mbufs, and so on, to recover the resources in a memory shortage situation. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 17:23:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08340 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:23:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08235 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:22:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA12234; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:22:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Message-Id: <199810070022.UAA12234@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mike Smith cc: Stefan Eggers , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: Two /boot/loader anomalies References: <199810061949.MAA00863@dingo.cdrom.com> In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 12:49:40 PDT." <199810061949.MAA00863@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:22:10 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > that the "autoboot 5" I specified in /boot/boot.conf does get executed > > > > but has no count down. I have to press ENTER to get it to boot. My > > > > > You'll get this if the timer isn't working properly. I've seen a > > > couple of reports of this, but I haven't been able to reproduce it yet. > > > > Really strange. The call seems to be correct. :-( > > I'm working on it at the moment. It doesn't help that I don't know > what's wrong. 8( I may have to revert to using the RTC hardware. 8( Hmm.. I thought I was crazy as I've seen this too. On my P-133 system with an old AMI BIOS, I did get the countdown. I noticed yesterday that on my Dell Latitude laptop (with an Award BIOS, but I'm not sure and don't have it handy at the moment), I don't get the countdown, either. FYI, another data point. louie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 17:28:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09241 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:28:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09041 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:26:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (brian@woof.lan.awfulhak.org [172.16.0.7]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA11530; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:26:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woof.lan.awfulhak.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA00683; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:37:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@woof.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199810062337.AAA00683@woof.lan.awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Werner Griessl cc: Scott Wilson , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: qt-1.40 hosed? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:06:10 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 00:37:45 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > On 06-Oct-98 Scott Wilson wrote: > > > > I just cvsupped and did the make world thing recompiles the kernel > > rebooted, etc. That all went really smooth. Good job guys. > > > > I'm running 3.0 current a.out on a pent pro 200 single processor. > > > > 2940 UW. Cam is working fine, although things seem slower. > > > > I cd'd to /usr/ports/x11/kde and did a > > > > make install clean > > > > and this is what happened: > > > > ld: /usr/lib/c++rt0.o: No such file or directory > > mv: rename libqt.so.1.40 to ../lib/libqt.so.1.40: No such file o > > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work/ > > cd tutorial; gmake > > gmake[1]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work > > l' > > cd t1; gmake > > gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work > > l/t1' > > g++ -L/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work/qt-1.40/lib -L/usr/X11R > > n.o -lqt -lX11 > > ld: -lqt: no match > > gmake[2]: *** [t1] Error 1 > > gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work/ > > /t1' > > gmake[1]: *** [t1] Error 2 > > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt140/work/ > > ' > > gmake: *** [tutorial] Error 2 > > *** Error code 2 > > > > Stop. > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop. > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop. > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop. > > > > > > > > I tried uninstalling and reinstalling all the relevant stuff, going so far > > as to remove the distfiles: > > > > qt-1.40 > > gmake-3.77 > > Mesa-3.0 > > XFree86-3.3.2 > > jpeg-6b > > giflib-3.0 > > > > No dice. After playing with this for about 8 hours, including trying to > > modify the MakeFile, I'm stumped. I didn't want to bug the maintainer > > because I'm not 100% sure that I'm not doing something stupid, so I > > figured I'd bug everyone else. ; ) > > > > TIA > > > > Scott Wilson [.....] > Hi Scott, > > Had the same problem yesterday ! > I was only able to build kde with the egcs-port installed. > Parts of kde seems to use /usr/local/bin/gcc instead of /usr/bin/cc . > > Werner I created the kde ELF patches on a machine that now is completely ELF except for netscape & xmaddressbook (I don't have motif). The machine has *never* had /usr/local/bin/gcc - I've never built any versions of gcc/egcs since the machine was bought. I didn't actually do the qt & Mesa ports myself, but I'd be doubtful if the problems came from the *lack* of an installed egcs.... WRT uninstalling/installing stuff, I've uninstalled everything on my machine from the top down, and re-installed (after E-Day) from the bottom up.... but I guess that's the only way to do it ! The really big show-stopper is when a non-elf installation has been done and you try to install dependant elf code. It doesn't see the libs, so it does a make install of the necessary port and the install fails 'cos it already exists. But the error above looks like it was done before the qt port was elfified..... -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 17:29:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09443 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:29:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09280 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:28:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (brian@woof.lan.awfulhak.org [172.16.0.7]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA11544; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:26:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woof.lan.awfulhak.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA00710; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:45:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@woof.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199810062345.AAA00710@woof.lan.awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Nate Williams cc: Terry Lambert , mike@smith.net.au, eivind@yes.no, alk@pobox.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG, Joerg Wunsch Subject: Re: something is leaking In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 20:39:05 MDT." <199810060239.UAA13089@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 00:45:03 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > The netscape in question runs my wife's email and she also does the > > > occasional bit of 'surfing', but is very lightly used. > > > > PS: Congradulations! I didn't know you had gotten married! Was > > this supposed to be stealth, or did you just not tell everyone? > > I've been married for over 8 years. Longer than I've been involved in > FreeBSD. :) > > > Nate Heh ! Were you trying to congratulate Joerg (cc'd - Hi!) Terry ? He's the only one AFAIK that's ``done the deed'' of late (and is suffering the mandatory presence-rot..;^P..). -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 17:31:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09887 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:31:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09757 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:31:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA22549; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:30:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd022527; Tue Oct 6 17:30:50 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA13270; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:30:45 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810070030.RAA13270@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: -current panics.. To: mishania@demos.net (Mikhail A. Sokolov) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:30:45 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, dg@root.com, enkhyl@hayseed.net, mishania@demos.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19981007001308.11085@demos.su> from "Mikhail A. Sokolov" at Oct 7, 98 00:13:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ ... dynamic resource working set sizing ... ] > Talking about being AIX-ish - the precedent is there - FDSETSIZE, isn' it? I'll assume you mean either: sysconf( _SC_OPEN_MAX ) or getdtablesize(); and not FD_SETSIZE? No. The existance of the interfaces to get the number of descriptors available to a process is a kludge. The reason it exists is for badly written programs that try to open the largest fd possible in order to avoid the stdin/script confusion... in general, scripting languages. The biggest offender in this regard, prior to the imposition of hard limits on number of desciptors in use in FreeBSD was "bash". The "bash" programmers were to lazy to do the "tail chase" required to move the saved descriptor off the used descriptor when the used descriptor ID was referenced in a shell script (for example, when doing file I/O within a shell script). When the descriptor is referenced, it *can't* be the descriptor for the script that is currently executing. Basically, this means that shells need "hidden descriptors". Number stuffing these descriptors fails for constructs like: # call program foo, and tell it to use our already open # file descriptor 7 as stdin... foo <&7 Or worse: # call program fee; tell it which descriptor we connected # so it can atoi( av[ 1]) it and use it for I/O... fee 7 To fix this, you would have to maintain a collision map in the shell descriptor managemetn code. Much better to open up 2^32 fd's, one after the other... NOT! The typical behaviour was "bash" took forever to start up, and then effectively used up all available kernel memory in the process. Problem: bash is broken Solution: hack FreeBSD to pieces and make it hard for things like SAMBA and Apache to work like they are supposed to without having to hire a UNIX system administrator Now, with FD_SETSIZE, we only have the problem of someone passing a number larger than FD_SETSIZE as the first argument to select, and the system going off into the weeds. Basically, this is what happened in the old LDAP code, where the implementors at UMICH really didn't understand how select(2) works. The upshot? Dynamically sized resources which are directly exploitable by the user are a bad idea, iff: 1) you have a malicious user or 2) some idiot who doesn't know how to program, or knows, but is too lazy to Do The Right Thing Is using your system. For mbuf's, this is not the same thing... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 18:15:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19418 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:15:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19286 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:14:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA21092; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:14:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Alex cc: current Subject: Re: Something else seems to be leaking... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Alex wrote: > Welp. I finally got aorund to toying with kcminfo (some obscure thing > from KDE), and it's leaking like a sieve. Naturally I think that it's to > blame, however I've managed to narrow it down to a few lines of code > (which have been reported to not leak on -stable): > > /* Q&D hack for swap display. Borrowed from xsysinfo-1.4 */ > if ((pipe = popen("/usr/sbin/pstat -ks", "r")) == NULL) { > used = total = 1; > return; > } > fgets(buf, sizeof(buf), pipe); > fgets(buf, sizeof(buf), pipe); > fgets(buf, sizeof(buf), pipe); > fgets(buf, sizeof(buf), pipe); > strtok(buf, " "); > total_str = strtok(NULL, " "); > used_str = strtok(NULL, " "); > pclose(pipe); This might have nothing to do with your leak, but never do consecutive calls to strtok, when using NULL as first param, without checking if the previous return was also NULL. You might well have run off the end of the string, and sent strtok off into never never land. Surprising this hasn't caused SEGVs. > > Commenting everything but the popen and pclose things, doesn't seem to fix > anything. This is called from some sort of timer every second or so, so > the leak is rather apparent. > > - alex > > | "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern | > | technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." | > | Powered by FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ | > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 18:28:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22880 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:28:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22798 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:28:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02472; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:32:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810070132.SAA02472@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Stefan Eggers cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Boot loader's autoload bug fix (was: Re: Two /boot/loader anomalies ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:52:01 +0200." <199810062052.WAA00636@semyam.dinoco.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 18:32:46 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > return(!(vm86.efl & PSL_Z)); > > > > and include > > > > Can you check this for me? > > Did it and with this test it always thinks a character was input and > wait for the user.-> Same as before. Reversing the test makes it > ignore all user input. Bleagh. Maybe I should clear the keyboard buffer first? > I guess I'll try the subfunction 11h - maybe that works better. On at least one system here it makes it fail to see anything at all. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 19:21:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05181 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:21:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ida.net (mail.ida.net [204.228.203.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA05152 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:21:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from muck@ida.net) Received: from falcon.hinterlands.com (tc-pt2-47.ida.net [208.141.181.104]) by mail.ida.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA20565; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:21:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:20:36 -0600 (MDT) From: Mike Jackson X-Sender: muck@falcon.hinterlands.com To: Gilad Rom cc: Alex , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Graphical Desktop for FreeBSD. In-Reply-To: <361A888B.1C33FE15@ein-hashofet.co.il> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Gilad Rom wrote: > Alex wrote: > > > > CVSup has it's own GUI, and while not for iij-ppp, KDE has a nice little > > dialer that works with the version of pppd included with fbsd. > > > > CVSup does not have a GUI in that sense, it is merely a simple status > display, > And since I know how much trouble newbies are having with supfiles and > selection, > a small configuration tool with help and such will greatly reduce the > number of people > with difficulties. What about ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CVSup/cvsupit.tgz ? That seems to work pretty well for creating a supfile. > > Same goes for ijppp, The fact remains that alot of people are using it, > It is alot easier to setup than pppd and generally one of good things > We here at FreeBSD have that these guys dont. > Im not talking fully blown dialers with accounting information and such. > Just a simple tool which you will only need to run once, to write down > your > ISP's phone number/name server, After all, you DO pick up all of this > stuff > after a few weeks of using FreeBSD. There is a somewhat outdated ppp setup script at http://www.ida.net/users/muck Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 19:37:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08710 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:37:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08686 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:37:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA05096; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:37:25 +1000 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:37:25 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199810070237.MAA05096@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, pizzi@adhoc.net Subject: Re: ffs_balloc & -CURRENT Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >sorry to bother you -- I just read your post in freebsd-current >and wonder whether my problem can be correlated -- >I get "Supervisor read: page not present" panics very often, usually >under busy I/O activity (running 3.0-19980928-BETA and using cam), >and the trace from ddb always shows _ffs_balloc() as the culprit. Probably only indirectly related. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 20:19:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17163 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:19:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.196.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17116 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:18:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp) Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (IDENT:1W8rj6BC8M0bgJ70BaCylQH8KBQVb9mU@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26158; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:18:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.7.6+2.6Wbeta7/3.4W/zodiac-May96) with ESMTP id MAA16554; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:19:14 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199810070319.MAA16554@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: Ollivier Robert cc: "FreeBSD Current Users' list" , yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: Funny bug with VESA mode under syscons In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 21:23:13 +0200." <19981006212313.A27269@keltia.freenix.fr> References: <19981006212313.A27269@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:18:53 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, >I was compiling X11 on my new machine (3.0 BETA, pure ELF) using the Which BETA is this? >VESA_132x60 mode and the lines were scrolling down the screen when I >noticed that the display slowly shifts. [...] In what other occasions does this "shift" happen? >and it keeps on shifting. It is not the monitor because when I ^Z the >process, the cursor return to col #0 then when I restart the process, a few >lines later, it will shift again. > >It doesn't seem TAB ligned, sometimes it shifts for 3 characters, then 7 >and so on. Umm, so shift happens with random amount... Would you possibly show me messages during boot when you start the system with the -v option (at the "boot:" prompt)? I would also like to see the output from: vidcontrol -i adapter vidcontrol -i mode Kazu yokota@FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 20:51:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24635 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:51:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from abby.skypoint.net (abby.skypoint.net [199.86.32.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA24616 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:51:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bruce@zuhause.mn.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by abby.skypoint.net (8.8.7/jl 1.3) with UUCP id WAA19233; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:51:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from bruce@localhost) by zuhause.mn.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id WAA04625; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:40:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Bruce Albrecht Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:40:07 -0500 (CDT) To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Cc: Luigi Rizzo , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/isa/snd CARDS README ad1848.c dmabuf.c mss.h sb_dsp.c sbcard.h sound.c sound.h In-Reply-To: References: <199810060925.KAA06109@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13850.57734.310933.162399@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id UAA24628 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav ) writes: > DATA SHEETS: > http://www.creative.com sbhwpg.pdf or SBHWPG.EXE I think this should be ftp://www.creaf.com/pub/creative/devinfo/ctsbhwpg.exe or maybe http://www.creaf.com or http://www.soundblaster.com (aliases, I think). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 21:05:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA27965 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:05:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [207.170.17.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA27928 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:05:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26673; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:05:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) id XAA16469; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:04:50 -0500 Message-ID: <19981006230449.27474@right.PCS> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:04:49 -0500 From: Jonathan Lemon To: Chuck Robey Cc: Alex , current Subject: Re: Something else seems to be leaking... References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1 In-Reply-To: ; from Chuck Robey on Oct 10, 1998 at 09:14:10PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Oct 10, 1998 at 09:14:10PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Alex wrote: > > > Welp. I finally got aorund to toying with kcminfo (some obscure thing > > from KDE), and it's leaking like a sieve. Naturally I think that it's to > > blame, however I've managed to narrow it down to a few lines of code > > (which have been reported to not leak on -stable): > > > > /* Q&D hack for swap display. Borrowed from xsysinfo-1.4 */ > > if ((pipe = popen("/usr/sbin/pstat -ks", "r")) == NULL) { > > used = total = 1; > > return; > > } > > pclose(pipe); This leak appears to be caused due to the interactions between vfork() and execl(), both inside the popen call. To wit: - vfork is called, - the child calls execl(), - which then calls buildargv(), which realloc()s space for the argv string. since we are sharing the address space with our parent, the parent also gets a copy. - the child calls execve(), leaving garbage in the parent's address space. I would guess that this was broken at some point when vfork() changed its semantics to have full address space sharing. The fix would be to either not use RFMEM for vfork() (as is done in the SMP case), or change buildargv to use alloca, and put the argv on the stack, which is not shared with the parent. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 21:07:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28404 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:07:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wakko.efn.org (wakko.efn.org [198.68.17.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28374 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:07:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjb@efn.org) Received: from garcia.efn.org (cjb@garcia.efn.org [198.68.17.5]) by wakko.efn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA06806 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cjb@localhost) by garcia.efn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16763; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19981006210704.27831@efn.org> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:07:04 -0700 From: Chris Brunner To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ipfw in current error Reply-To: Chris Brunner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 X-Operating-System: SunOS garcia 4.1.4 21 sun4m Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just cvsuped to the latest -CURRENT a couple days ago, and now when I load up firewall rules with ipfw I get the following error: ip_fw_ctl: len=128, want 124 ipfw: setsockopt(IP_FW_ADD): Invalid argument. This happens when I run any "ipfw add" command, such as, in this example, "ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via tun0". "ipfw -f flush" works. I'm just a very *novice* coder, so I have no clue as to what's going on. I took a look at the source for a while, but didn't get anywhere with that. I swear, this was working on a previous current (July sometime, I think), but not anymore. And, yes, I did rebuild the kernel (of course!) Thanks for any help. I really appreciate it. -- -- Chris Brunner | -- cjb@efn.org | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 21:45:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA05047 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:45:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (pm3-33.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.85.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA05035 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:44:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA02981; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:46:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:46:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: Chuck Robey cc: current Subject: Re: Something else seems to be leaking... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Chuck Robey wrote: [...] > Surprising this hasn't caused SEGVs. It doesn't, because I've narrowed it down to the popen calls. a popen();pclose() still leaks. And, pstat is pretty much guaranted to return output formatted a certian way, so while conservative checking would be good, it's not really required (yet). - alex | "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern | | technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." | | Powered by FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 22:32:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA10420 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:32:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pcpsj.pfcs.com (harlan.fred.net [205.252.219.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA10414 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:32:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Harlan.Stenn@pfcs.com) Received: from mumps.pfcs.com [192.52.69.11] (HELO mumps.pfcs.com) by pcpsj.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brown.pfcs.com [192.52.69.44] (HELO brown.pfcs.com) by mumps.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1] (HELO brown.pfcs.com) by brown.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:32:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Chris Brunner cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ipfw in current error In-Reply-To: Chris Brunner's (cjb@efn.org) message dated Tue, 06 Oct 1998 21:07:04. <19981006210704.27831@efn.org> X-Face: "csXK}xnnsH\h_ce`T#|pM]tG,6Xu.{3Rb\]&XJgVyTS'w{E+|-(}n:c(Cc* $cbtusxDP6T)Hr'k&zrwq0.3&~bAI~YJco[r.mE+K|(q]F=ZNXug:s6tyOk{VTqARy0#axm6BWti9C d Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 01:32:33 -0400 Message-ID: <9529.907738353@brown.pfcs.com> From: Harlan Stenn Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rebuild your kernel. H To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 22:37:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA11186 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:37:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wakko.efn.org (wakko.efn.org [198.68.17.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA11163 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:37:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjb@efn.org) Received: from garcia.efn.org (cjb@garcia.efn.org [198.68.17.5]) by wakko.efn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA23197; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:37:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cjb@localhost) by garcia.efn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA25605; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19981006223720.47366@efn.org> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:37:20 -0700 From: Chris Brunner To: Harlan Stenn Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ipfw in current error Reply-To: Chris Brunner References: <19981006210704.27831@efn.org> <9529.907738353@brown.pfcs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <9529.907738353@brown.pfcs.com> X-Operating-System: SunOS garcia 4.1.4 21 sun4m Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 01:32:33AM -0400, Harlan Stenn wrote: > Rebuild your kernel. Ummm, I did. I said so in my original message. -- -- Chris Brunner | -- cjb@efn.org | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 22:42:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12081 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:42:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12001 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:41:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA19199; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:41:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from aridius-80.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.66.207) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma019197; Wed Oct 7 00:41:19 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981007003419.00f5251c@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 00:34:19 -0500 To: Gilad Rom , Alex From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Graphical Desktop for FreeBSD. Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <361A888B.1C33FE15@ein-hashofet.co.il> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 09:15 PM 10/6/98 +0000, Gilad Rom wrote: >CVSup does not have a GUI in that sense, it is merely a simple status >display, >And since I know how much trouble newbies are having with supfiles and >selection, >a small configuration tool with help and such will greatly reduce the >number of people >with difficulties. They have the option of using cvsupit.tgz, which is similar to the regular install, nothing fancy. No dependancies either, just did a 'pkg_add cvsupit.tgz' (on a clean install) and off you go. If it gets as far as establishing a connection, it will add /usr/local/bin/cvsup and create /etc/cvsup based on what you enter... Excecpt it added some things I didn't check. Just tried to get ports only, but: *default host=cvsup2.FreeBSD.org *default base=/usr *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs *default tag=. *default delete use-rel-suffix src-all src-crypto src-secure *default tag=. ports-all A bit more than I wanted with src-all including ports-all. Bug? Or just an overkill default if you don't enter anything on the menu, hit ok, and say yes to ports. :/ This is the 7/25/98 copy from the CVSup directory. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 22:50:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14009 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:50:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA13996 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:50:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zQmUG-0003nE-00; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:50:12 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA13020; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:49:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199810070549.XAA13020@harmony.village.org> To: Peter Wemm Subject: Re: fetch -p Cc: Marc Slemko , Nate Williams , Zach Heilig , Kris Kennaway , current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Oct 1998 01:08:39 +0800." <199810021708.BAA24001@spinner.netplex.com.au> References: <199810021708.BAA24001@spinner.netplex.com.au> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 23:49:33 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199810021708.BAA24001@spinner.netplex.com.au> Peter Wemm writes: : It's similar to ISDN. There, a 64K B channel is 64000 bits/sec on the : wire. Data is synchronous and clock synchronized so there are no start and : stop bits, just bit patterns for start and end of packets etc. This means : that your 64K link gives you 8000 (theoretical) bytes/sec. There are : losses because the HDLC frames have address/control data, CRC's, start : markers, packet length (I think). So, in reality you get a smidge less than : 8000 bytes/sec when you are using large packets. HDLC also requires bit stuffing which can cuase slighly lower data rates too. But that is slight is very slight indeed (only needed for 6 or 7 consecutive 1 bits, iirc). Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 22:56:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15090 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:56:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA15081 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:56:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zQmaG-0003nL-00; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:56:24 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA13052; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:56:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199810070556.XAA13052@harmony.village.org> To: Rob Subject: Re: `aic' preparedness... Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Oct 1998 01:11:57 EDT." <199810030511.BAA23829@stratos.net> References: <199810030511.BAA23829@stratos.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 23:56:05 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199810030511.BAA23829@stratos.net> Rob writes: : Is anyone working on this and making any real progress? I heard : that someone was looking into it, but making no promises. If I were : capable of doing more than shell scripts and `hello world'-type programs : I would have been happy to help, but alas I can't. The UltraStor people are in the same boat until I get the ultrastor drive done (I'm not even looking at it until November, given the insanity in my life right now). Given the performance improvements I've seen with CAM on my PPro, it seems well worth it. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 22:57:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15245 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:57:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA15222 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:57:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id EAA07708; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 04:56:30 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199810070356.EAA07708@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/isa/snd CARDS README ad1848.c dmabuf.c mss.h sb_dsp.c sbcard.h sound.c sound.h To: ulf@Alameda.net Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 04:56:29 +0100 (MET) Cc: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19981006154946.A6431@Alameda.net> from "Ulf Zimmermann" at Oct 6, 98 03:49:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG in fact i think the real and only SB16PnP uses the Vibra16C codec (the one using a 16-bit dma channel). luigi > On Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 04:34:03PM +0200, Dag-Erling C. Sm=F8rgrav wrote= > : > > Luigi Rizzo writes: > > > > Do you want a full dmesg and pnpinfo of the Vibra16X? > > > yes please, plain ascii, but i am almost sure you misconfigured > > > the second dma channel. Try > > >=20 > > > pnp 1 0 os enable port0 0x220 irq0 5 drq0 1 drq1 0 > >=20 > > It works. You should mention this in src/sys/i386/isa/snd/CARDS; the > > only example there sets the second DMA channel to 5, which works for > > the SB32 but not for the SB16PnP. This is what it says: > >=20 > > CHIPSET: > > SB16: PnP id 0x__008c0e > > Vibra16X: PnP id 0xf0008c0e > >=20 > > MANUFACTURER: > > CreativeLabs > >=20 > > DATA SHEETS: > > http://www.creative.com sbhwpg.pdf or SBHWPG.EXE > >=20 > > PNP CONFIG: > > pnp 1 0 os enable port0 0x220 irq0 5 drq0 1 drq1 5 > > CSN 1 Vendor ID: CTL0070 [0x70008c0e] Serial 0xffffffff Comp ID: PNPb02f = > [0x2fb0d041] > pcm1 (SB16pnp sn 0xffffffff) at 0x220-0x22f irq 7 drq 3 flags = > 0x17 on isa > pcm0 not found > > in the kernel config file: > > controller pnp0 > device pcm0 at isa? port ? tty irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x0 vector pcmi= > ntr > > So it doesn't find pcm0, but automatic adds pcm1.=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > > DES > > --=20 > > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no > >=20 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > --=20 > Regards, Ulf. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 > Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 23:09:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17818 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:09:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17788 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:09:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id IAA19830; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:08:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (VMailer, from userid 101) id B6B8F1458; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:01:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:01:15 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: Kazutaka YOKOTA Cc: "FreeBSD Current Users' list" Subject: Re: Funny bug with VESA mode under syscons Message-ID: <19981007080115.A647@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Kazutaka YOKOTA , FreeBSD Current Users' list References: <19981006212313.A27269@keltia.freenix.fr> <199810070319.MAA16554@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.4i In-Reply-To: <199810070319.MAA16554@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp>; from Kazutaka YOKOTA on Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 12:18:53PM +0900 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-BETA/ELF ctm#4704 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Kazutaka YOKOTA: > Which BETA is this? I'm very current. Sources are from cvs-cur 4707: CTM_BEGIN 2.0 cvs-cur 4707 1998/10/06 15:10 > >VESA_132x60 mode and the lines were scrolling down the screen when I > >noticed that the display slowly shifts. > [...] > > In what other occasions does this "shift" happen? That the only occurrence I've seen for now. Run a lengthy compilation and watch the lines scroll & shift. > Umm, so shift happens with random amount... It is probably not random. It is difficult to see when exactly but if it was a printer, I'd say that sometimes it prints only a LF and not CR+LF. It prints a few lines then decides to start the next one on the same column the previous one was stopping. > Would you possibly show me messages during boot when you start the > system with the -v option (at the "boot:" prompt)? I don't have everything because the message buffer is too short but here is what I have: boot w/o -v -=-=-=- vga0: rev 0x30 int a irq 11 on pci0.17.0 Probing for devices on the ISA bus: VESA: v2.0, 2048k memory, flags:0x0, mode table:0xf024afb4 (100008c) VESA: STB Lightspeed 128 Video (ET6000) sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> -=-=-=- boot w/ -v -=-=-=- mode:0x106, flags:0x001f, G 1280x1024x4 4, font:8x16 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x107, flags:0x009f, G 1280x1024x8 1, font:8x16, mem:4, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0x140000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x108, flags:0x000f, T 80x60, font:9x8 VESA: window A:0xb800 (5), window B:0xb800 (3), size:32k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x109, flags:0x000f, T 132x25, font:8x16 VESA: window A:0xb800 (5), window B:0xb800 (3), size:32k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x10c, flags:0x000f, T 132x60, font:8x8 VESA: window A:0xb800 (5), window B:0xb800 (3), size:32k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x180, flags:0x000f, T 132x44, font:8x9 VESA: window A:0xb800 (5), window B:0xb800 (3), size:32k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x181, flags:0x000f, T 132x28, font:8x14 VESA: window A:0xb800 (5), window B:0xb800 (3), size:32k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x182, flags:0x000f, T 100x40, font:8x15 VESA: window A:0xb800 (5), window B:0xb800 (3), size:32k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x10d, flags:0x009b, G 320x200x16 1, font:8x8, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0x20000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x10e, flags:0x009b, G 320x200x16 1, font:8x8, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0x20000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x10f, flags:0x009b, G 320x200x24 1, font:8x8, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0x30000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x142, flags:0x009b, G 320x240x16 1, font:8x8, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0x30000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x143, flags:0x009b, G 320x240x16 1, font:8x8, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0x30000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x144, flags:0x009b, G 320x240x24 1, font:8x8, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0x40000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x152, flags:0x009b, G 512x384x16 1, font:8x16, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0x60000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x153, flags:0x009b, G 512x384x16 1, font:8x16, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0x60000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x154, flags:0x009b, G 512x384x24 1, font:8x16, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0x90000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x172, flags:0x009b, G 640x400x16 1, font:8x16, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0x80000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x173, flags:0x009b, G 640x400x16 1, font:8x16, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0x80000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x174, flags:0x009b, G 640x400x24 1, font:8x16, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0xc0000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x110, flags:0x009b, G 640x480x16 1, font:8x16, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0xa0000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x111, flags:0x009b, G 640x480x16 1, font:8x16, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0xa0000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x112, flags:0x009b, G 640x480x24 1, font:8x16, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0xf0000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x113, flags:0x009b, G 800x600x16 1, font:8x16, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0xf0000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x114, flags:0x009b, G 800x600x16 1, font:8x16, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0xf0000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x115, flags:0x009b, G 800x600x24 1, font:8x16, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0x160000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x116, flags:0x009b, G 1024x768x16 1, font:8x16, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0x180000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x117, flags:0x009b, G 1024x768x16 1, font:8x16, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0x180000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x118, flags:0x009a, G 1024x768x24 1, font:8x16, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0x0 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x162, flags:0x009b, G 1152x864x16 1, font:8x16, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0x1f0000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x163, flags:0x009b, G 1152x864x16 1, font:8x16, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0x1f0000 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x119, flags:0x009a, G 1280x1024x16 1, font:8x16, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0x0 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k VESA: mode:0x11a, flags:0x009a, G 1280x1024x16 1, font:8x16, mem:6, LFB:0xfb000000, off:0x0 VESA: window A:0xa000 (5), window B:0xa000 (3), size:64k, gran:64k sc0: the current keyboard controller command byte 0065 sc0: keyboard device ID: ab41 sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> -=-=-=- > I would also like to see the output from: > > vidcontrol -i adapter > vidcontrol -i mode adapter 0: type:VESA VGA (5), flags:0x000000ff, CRTC:0x3d4 initial mode:24, current mode:268, BIOS mode:3 mode# flags type size font window linear buffer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 0 (0x000) 0x00000001 T 40x25 8x8 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 1 (0x001) 0x00000001 T 40x25 8x8 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 2 (0x002) 0x00000001 T 80x25 8x8 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 3 (0x003) 0x00000001 T 80x25 8x8 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 4 (0x004) 0x00000003 G 320x200x2 1 8x8 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 5 (0x005) 0x00000003 G 320x200x2 1 8x8 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 6 (0x006) 0x00000003 G 640x200x1 1 8x8 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 7 (0x007) 0x00000000 T 80x25 8x14 0xb0000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 13 (0x00d) 0x00000003 G 320x200x4 4 8x8 0xa0000 64k 64k 0x00000000 0k 14 (0x00e) 0x00000003 G 640x200x4 4 8x8 0xa0000 64k 64k 0x00000000 0k 15 (0x00f) 0x00000002 G 640x350x4 4 8x14 0xa0000 64k 64k 0x00000000 0k 16 (0x010) 0x00000003 G 640x350x2 2 8x14 0xa0000 64k 64k 0x00000000 0k 17 (0x011) 0x00000002 G 640x350x4 4 8x14 0xa0000 64k 64k 0x00000000 0k 18 (0x012) 0x00000003 G 640x350x4 4 8x14 0xa0000 64k 64k 0x00000000 0k 19 (0x013) 0x00000001 T 40x25 8x14 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 20 (0x014) 0x00000001 T 40x25 8x14 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 21 (0x015) 0x00000001 T 80x25 8x14 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 22 (0x016) 0x00000001 T 80x25 8x14 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 23 (0x017) 0x00000001 T 40x25 8x16 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 24 (0x018) 0x00000001 T 80x25 8x16 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 25 (0x019) 0x00000000 T 80x25 8x16 0xb0000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 26 (0x01a) 0x00000003 G 640x480x4 4 8x16 0xa0000 64k 64k 0x00000000 0k 27 (0x01b) 0x00000003 G 640x480x4 4 8x16 0xa0000 64k 64k 0x00000000 0k 28 (0x01c) 0x00000003 G 320x200x8 1 8x8 0xa0000 64k 64k 0x00000000 0k 30 (0x01e) 0x00000001 T 80x50 8x8 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 31 (0x01f) 0x00000000 T 80x50 8x8 0xb0000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 32 (0x020) 0x00000001 T 80x30 8x16 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 33 (0x021) 0x00000000 T 80x30 8x16 0xb0000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 34 (0x022) 0x00000001 T 80x60 8x8 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 35 (0x023) 0x00000000 T 80x60 8x8 0xb0000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 37 (0x025) 0x00000003 G 320x240x8 1 8x8 0xa0000 64k 64k 0x00000000 0k 112 (0x070) 0x00000001 T 80x43 8x8 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 113 (0x071) 0x00000001 T 80x43 8x8 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 200 (0x0c8) 0x00000001 T 80x25 8x16 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 201 (0x0c9) 0x00000001 T 80x30 8x16 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 202 (0x0ca) 0x00000001 T 80x43 8x8 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 203 (0x0cb) 0x00000001 T 80x50 8x8 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 204 (0x0cc) 0x00000001 T 80x60 8x8 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 0k 205 (0x0cd) 0x00000009 T 132x25 8x16 0xb8000 32k 64k 0x00000000 0k 209 (0x0d1) 0x00000009 T 132x60 8x8 0xb8000 32k 64k 0x00000000 0k 256 (0x100) 0x0000000f G 640x400x8 1 8x16 0xa0000 64k 64k 0xfb000000 256k 257 (0x101) 0x0000000f G 640x480x8 1 8x16 0xa0000 64k 64k 0xfb000000 320k 258 (0x102) 0x0000000b G 800x600x4 4 8x16 0xa0000 64k 64k 0x00000000 0k 259 (0x103) 0x0000000f G 800x600x8 1 8x16 0xa0000 64k 64k 0xfb000000 512k 260 (0x104) 0x0000000b G 1024x768x4 4 8x16 0xa0000 64k 64k 0x00000000 0k 261 (0x105) 0x0000000f G 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512x384x24 1 8x16 0xa0000 64k 64k 0xfb000000 576k 353 (0x161) 0x0000000f G 1152x864x8 1 8x16 0xa0000 64k 64k 0xfb000000 1024k 354 (0x162) 0x0000000f G 1152x864x16 1 8x16 0xa0000 64k 64k 0xfb000000 1984k 355 (0x163) 0x0000000f G 1152x864x16 1 8x16 0xa0000 64k 64k 0xfb000000 1984k 370 (0x172) 0x0000000f G 640x400x16 1 8x16 0xa0000 64k 64k 0xfb000000 512k 371 (0x173) 0x0000000f G 640x400x16 1 8x16 0xa0000 64k 64k 0xfb000000 512k 372 (0x174) 0x0000000f G 640x400x24 1 8x16 0xa0000 64k 64k 0xfb000000 768k 384 (0x180) 0x00000009 T 132x44 8x9 0xb8000 32k 64k 0x00000000 0k 385 (0x181) 0x00000009 T 132x28 8x14 0xb8000 32k 64k 0x00000000 0k 386 (0x182) 0x00000009 T 100x40 8x15 0xb8000 32k 64k 0x00000000 0k -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-BETA #2: Sat Oct 3 11:34:55 CEST 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 23:36:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA22589 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:36:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wakko.efn.org (wakko.efn.org [198.68.17.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA22579 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:36:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjb@morden.dyn.ml.org) Received: from morden.dyn.ml.org (dynip248.efn.org [206.163.180.248]) by wakko.efn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04245; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cjb@localhost) by morden.dyn.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.7) id XAA01329; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:41:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjb) Message-ID: <19981006234113.C311@efn.org> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:41:13 -0700 From: Chris Brunner To: Harlan Stenn Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ipfw in current error Reply-To: Chris Brunner References: <19981006210704.27831@efn.org> <9529.907738353@brown.pfcs.com> <19981006223720.47366@efn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <19981006223720.47366@efn.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD morden.dyn.ml.org 3.0-BETA FreeBSD 3.0-BETA Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 10:37:20PM -0700, Chris Brunner wrote: > On Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 01:32:33AM -0400, Harlan Stenn wrote: > > Rebuild your kernel. > > Ummm, I did. I said so in my original message. Or so I thought I did! My apologies. I did indeed rebuild it, I just neglected to to a "make install" afterwards. It was late at night. ;-) Anyway, it seems to be working fine now, thanks for your advice. -- -= Chris Brunner -= cjb@efn.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 23:52:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25242 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:52:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA25183 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:52:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (IDENT:Fw+iZd/IMA0aRu0yLqEaGA4x0oO76rDQ@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA22465 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:51:26 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199810070651.IAA22465@gratis.grondar.za> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Broken PLIP code? Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:51:24 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi I put the new parallel port drivers into my kernel: controller ppc0 at isa? port ? tty irq 7 vector ppcintr controller ppbus0 device nlpt0 at ppbus? device plip0 at ppbus? ... and the PLIP device acts funny: # ifconfig -a : lp0: flags=8810 mtu 1500 : Oct 7 08:49:33 greenpeace /kernel: LP:ioctl(0xc0286938) M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Oct 6 23:52:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25330 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:52:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA25319 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:52:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id IAA03940; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:50:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA02497; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:48:44 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from j) Message-ID: <19981007084844.22239@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:48:44 +0200 From: J Wunsch To: Brian Somers Cc: Terry Lambert , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: something is leaking Reply-To: Joerg Wunsch References: <199810060239.UAA13089@mt.sri.com> <199810062345.AAA00710@woof.lan.awfulhak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199810062345.AAA00710@woof.lan.awfulhak.org>; from Brian Somers on Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 12:45:03AM +0100 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Brian Somers wrote: > Heh ! Were you trying to congratulate Joerg (cc'd - Hi!) Terry ? He's > the only one AFAIK that's ``done the deed'' of late (and is suffering > the mandatory presence-rot..;^P..). Nah, i didn't marry (yet). This was some sort of misunderstanding that arose in the Usenet group. However, i got a girl ``who's gonna be it'', and that's partially my excuse for less FreeBSD work in the past months. :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 00:08:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA27585 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:08:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles29.castles.com [208.214.165.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA27573 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:08:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00967; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:13:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810070713.AAA00967@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Viren R. Shah" cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: boot loader problems.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:35:36 EDT." <199810061735.NAA00682@jabberwock.rstcorp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 00:13:32 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I had to put a "boot /kernel.aout" into the /boot/boot.conf file. My > boot.conf file now is: > > set autoboot=5 > boot /kernel.aout > > Now it boots immediately without waiting the 5 seconds. Without the > "boot /kernel.aout" line, it just sits at the "Hit [enter]..." > prompt. > > Is there an intermediate solution where it will wait 5 seconds before > autobooting kernel.aout? With changes I committed earlier tonight: set autoboot_delay=5 set bootfile=/kernel.aout will do the trick. I may change 'bootfile' to 'kern_bootfile' to be more consistent with the sysctl name, but I haven't settled on the convention(s) to use there yet. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 00:13:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA28480 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:13:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ceia.nordier.com (slip139-92-122-80.joh.za.ibm.net [139.92.122.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA28445 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:13:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rnordier@nordier.com) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by ceia.nordier.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id JAA04020; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:11:31 +0200 (SAT) From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199810070711.JAA04020@ceia.nordier.com> Subject: Re: Boot loader's autoload bug fix (was: Re: Two /boot/loader anomalies ) In-Reply-To: <199810062052.WAA00636@semyam.dinoco.de> from Stefan Eggers at "Oct 6, 98 10:52:01 pm" To: seggers@semyam.dinoco.de (Stefan Eggers) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:11:27 +0200 (SAT) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, seggers@semyam.dinoco.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stefan Eggers wrote: > > Actually, that's not quite right either. You should check the Z flag, > > ie. > > Now that I read it again I saw my mistake. I am used to the AmigaOS > call convention where one usually returns results only in D0 which > would be our accumulator and thus a stutus would have been there. > > > return(!(vm86.efl & PSL_Z)); > > > > and include > > > > Can you check this for me? > > Did it and with this test it always thinks a character was input and > wait for the user.-> Same as before. Reversing the test makes it > ignore all user input. Change the first function statement from v86.ctl = 0; to v86.ctl = V86_FLAGS; -- Robert Nordier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 00:15:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA28948 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:15:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA28906 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:15:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) id AAA18918; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19981007001529.A18576@nuxi.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:15:29 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Satoshi Asami , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199810062326.QAA07881@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199810062326.QAA07881@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu>; from Satoshi Asami on Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 04:26:05PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > One problem is how to identify the hostname. Since it is currently ... > An idea I came up with is: > > (1) During boot, machine picks an IP address (at random) in a certain > range Use DHCP. Solaris 2.6 even sets the hostname from the DHCP querry. Check RFC's 2131, 1534, 2132, and 1542 to see if you can't get a lot of th info you will need from the DHCP server. > What do you guys think? Am I totally off the mark? Would be a cool thing to have available to others. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 00:18:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA29721 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:18:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt053nb4.san.rr.com (dt053nb4.san.rr.com [204.210.34.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29655 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:17:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt053nb4.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01161; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:17:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <361B1595.84F8A4FE@dal.net> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 00:17:41 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE-0929 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Brunner CC: Harlan Stenn , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ipfw in current error References: <19981006210704.27831@efn.org> <9529.907738353@brown.pfcs.com> <19981006223720.47366@efn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris Brunner wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 01:32:33AM -0400, Harlan Stenn wrote: > > Rebuild your kernel. > > Ummm, I did. I said so in my original message. Did you do a make world first? You're experiencing a mismatch between what the ipfw binary and the kernel hooks expect, so one is out of synch with the other. Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** Go PADRES! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 00:18:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA29730 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:18:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29657 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:18:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (sji-ca11-102.ix.netcom.com [209.109.237.102]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA18483; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.6.9) id AAA08922; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810070717.AAA08922@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> To: obrien@NUXI.com CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19981007001529.A18576@nuxi.com> (obrien@NUXI.com) Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Use DHCP. * Solaris 2.6 even sets the hostname from the DHCP querry. Yura Socolov also mentioned this. I'll take a look. Thanks. * > What do you guys think? Am I totally off the mark? * * Would be a cool thing to have available to others. CDBSD? :) Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 00:23:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01341 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:23:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from axl.training.iafrica.com (axl.training.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01334 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:23:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.training.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.training.iafrica.com) by axl.training.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zQnva-0003Ia-00; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:22:30 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, axl@iafrica.com To: Gilad Rom cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: CVSup supfiles for newbies (was Re: Graphical Desktop for FreeBSD.) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 21:15:55 GMT." <361A888B.1C33FE15@ein-hashofet.co.il> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:22:30 +0200 Message-ID: <12683.907744950@axl.training.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ OFF-TOPIC, replies to -chat ] On Tue, 06 Oct 1998 21:15:55 GMT, Gilad Rom wrote: > CVSup does not have a GUI in that sense, it is merely a simple status > display, And since I know how much trouble newbies are having with > supfiles and selection, a small configuration tool with help and such > will greatly reduce the number of people with difficulties. Hi Gilad, Perhaps you aren't aware that the FreeBSD base system actually includes some supfile samples for your newbies? Have a look at the supfiles in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ and consider pointing your newbies at those, perhaps in conjunction with the easy-to-read CVSup manpage, cvsup(1). The danger of a point-drool-click interface that sets up configuration files, is that the user of said interface is encouraged to use the associated applications without understanding their operation. This is a bad thing when it comes to things like CVSup. Should you really be encouraging someone who doesn't understand CVSup (or whichever update tool he or she uses) to build world? Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 00:36:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03576 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:36:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles29.castles.com [208.214.165.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA03567 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:36:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01144; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:40:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810070740.AAA01144@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Robert Nordier cc: seggers@semyam.dinoco.de (Stefan Eggers), mike@smith.net.au, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Boot loader's autoload bug fix (was: Re: Two /boot/loader anomalies ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 07 Oct 1998 09:11:27 +0200." <199810070711.JAA04020@ceia.nordier.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 00:40:11 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > return(!(vm86.efl & PSL_Z)); > > > > > > and include > > > > > > Can you check this for me? > > > > Did it and with this test it always thinks a character was input and > > wait for the user.-> Same as before. Reversing the test makes it > > ignore all user input. > > Change the first function statement from > > v86.ctl = 0; > > to > > v86.ctl = V86_FLAGS; Whoops. Done, and thanks. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 01:08:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA08014 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:08:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from eterna.binary.net (eterna.binary.net [12.13.120.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07952 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:07:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yura@matrix.binary.net) Received: from matrix.binary.net (yura@matrix.binary.net [12.13.120.2]) by eterna.binary.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA06636 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 03:07:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from yura@localhost) by matrix.binary.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id DAA00803; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 03:07:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19981007030750.A29981@binary.net> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 03:07:50 -0500 From: Yura Socolov To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0-ELF and if_de crashes Reply-To: yura@binary.net References: <19981005014133.A21212@binary.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19981005014133.A21212@binary.net>; from Yura Socolov on Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 01:41:33AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 01:41:33AM -0500, Yura Socolov wrote: > I'm experiencing a 100% reproducible crashes on a fresh ELF 3.0. ... > The ethernet card is 21140-AF based Netgear FA 310-TX Rev C6.1, and it's > pretty much brand new. I hate following up to myself, but i did some further testing, and the same problem exists in 2.2.7-STABLE and 3.0 a.out... Those don't panic, normally but do hang and/or reboot. Furthemore, manually merging the latest if_de from NetBSD-current (v 1.80 from 9/25/98) didn't change a thing... It still panics at the same exact place. -- yu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 01:26:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA11262 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:26:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA11209 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:26:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA05495; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:25:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199810070825.KAA05495@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: Funny bug with VESA mode under syscons In-Reply-To: <19981007080115.A647@keltia.freenix.fr> from Ollivier Robert at "Oct 7, 98 08:01:15 am" To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:25:15 +0200 (CEST) Cc: yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reply to Ollivier Robert who wrote: > > > >VESA_132x60 mode and the lines were scrolling down the screen when I > > >noticed that the display slowly shifts. > > [...] > > > > In what other occasions does this "shift" happen? > > That the only occurrence I've seen for now. Run a lengthy compilation and > watch the lines scroll & shift. I've run at least a dozen make worlds on my testmachines in 132x60 lately and I've never seen the problem here (S3 & P9100 video HW) Just my 0.25DKr... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end? .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 01:42:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA13164 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:42:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA13159 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:42:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@florence.pavilion.net) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19331; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:41:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Message-ID: <19981007094148.B16663@pavilion.net> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:41:49 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: "Kenneth D. Merry" , Mike Smith Cc: grog@lemis.com, FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD3.0-BETA crash! References: <199810060302.UAA01806@dingo.cdrom.com> <199810060425.WAA00802@panzer.plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199810060425.WAA00802@panzer.plutotech.com>; from Kenneth D. Merry on Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 10:25:00PM -0600 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-1273-607072 Fax: +44-1273-607073 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 10:25:00PM -0600, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > Mike Smith wrote... > > > > devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count is < 0! > > > > A really good start would be for the "HELP" message to include the > > *name* of the device for which the busy count was going < 0. 8) > > Done. I've rebuilt the system and will report back should the problem reoccur. Joe -- Josef Karthauser Technical Manager FreeBSD: The power to serve (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 02:15:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA16997 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:15:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA16992 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:15:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (sji-ca11-102.ix.netcom.com [209.109.237.102]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA18616; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.6.9) id CAA09589; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810070915.CAA09589@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> To: obrien@NUXI.com CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19981007001529.A18576@nuxi.com> (obrien@NUXI.com) Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * > What do you guys think? Am I totally off the mark? * * Would be a cool thing to have available to others. By the way, does anyone know of other systems (doesn't have to be FreeBSD) that boots and runs from CD-ROMs? (I'm not talking about installation CDs here -- I want to know about systems that use CD-ROMs for system disks during normal operations.) Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 02:23:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18395 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:23:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18385 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:23:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA22476; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:24:35 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:24:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Ollivier Robert cc: Kazutaka YOKOTA , "FreeBSD Current Users' list" Subject: Re: Funny bug with VESA mode under syscons In-Reply-To: <19981007080115.A647@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Ollivier Robert wrote: > I don't have everything because the message buffer is too short but here is Perhaps not exactly on the subject, but.. 'options MSGBUF_SIZE=nnnn' is your friend. Andrzej Bialecki -------------------- ++-------++ ------------------------------------- ||PicoBSD|| FreeBSD in your pocket? Go and see: Research & Academic |+-------+| "Small & Embedded FreeBSD" Network in Poland | |TT~~~| | http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ -------------------- ~-+==---+-+ ------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 02:25:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18753 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:25:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz.hyperreal.org [209.133.83.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA18733 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:25:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@hyperreal.org) Received: (qmail 22861 invoked by uid 24); 7 Oct 1998 09:25:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19981007092526.22860.qmail@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: brian@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 02:18:11 -0700 To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami), obrien@NUXI.com From: Brian Behlendorf Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810070717.AAA08922@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> References: <19981007001529.A18576@nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:17 AM 10/7/98 -0700, Satoshi Asami wrote: >CDBSD? :) Run with this. With 32x CDROM drives as cheap as they are, and the ability to burn CD's pretty accessible, this would be a *very* economic way to provide standard distributions in an institutional setting. There's some other things in /etc I'd want to be able to change without having to create a new CD (for example, /etc/nologin), but that's a matter of configuration and could be obtained via LDAP if you're creative. So CDBSD + DHCP + LDAP would be really interesting. This might also be a good way to provide non-technical users with a no-brainer installation, though I fear they'll eventually want to do things like add a disk drive which would require editing /etc/fstab, etc. It might be worth thinking if a slight change in the BSD file hierarchy to support this better would be merited... Brian --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- Where will YOU be Oct 14-16? | brian@apache.org ApacheCon '98! http://www.apachecon.com/ | brian@hyperreal.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 02:45:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA21345 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:45:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA21340 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:45:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA23560; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:45:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" cc: Gilad Rom , Alex , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Graphical Desktop for FreeBSD. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 00:34:19 CDT." <3.0.3.32.19981007003419.00f5251c@207.227.119.2> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 02:45:41 -0700 Message-ID: <23556.907753541@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > A bit more than I wanted with src-all including ports-all. Bug? Or just an overkill default if you don't enter anything on the menu, hit ok, and say yes t o ports. :/ Documented behavior. Read the title text a little more closely in that menu next time. ;) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 02:48:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA21814 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:48:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA21801; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:48:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) id CAA19759; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19981007024832.B19684@nuxi.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:48:32 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Satoshi Asami Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <19981007001529.A18576@nuxi.com> <199810070915.CAA09589@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199810070915.CAA09589@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu>; from Satoshi Asami on Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 02:15:29AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > By the way, does anyone know of other systems (doesn't have to be > FreeBSD) that boots and runs from CD-ROMs? (I'm not talking about Actually I think I kinda might remember one. It was one of the distributed computing farms... I don't remember if it was a mixed FreeBSD / Linux site, or a Sun suite... If I can come up with something better I'll let you know. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 02:50:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA22300 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:50:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA22283; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:50:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA13939; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:20:28 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19981007092526.22860.qmail@hyperreal.org> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 19:20:28 +0930 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Brian Behlendorf Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@NUXI.com, (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 07-Oct-98 Brian Behlendorf wrote: > At 12:17 AM 10/7/98 -0700, Satoshi Asami wrote: > >CDBSD? :) > Run with this. With 32x CDROM drives as cheap as they are, and the ability Yeah, this sounds kinda neat :) > This might also be a good way to provide non-technical users with a > no-brainer installation, though I fear they'll eventually want to do things > like add a disk drive which would require editing /etc/fstab, etc. It > might be worth thinking if a slight change in the BSD file hierarchy to > support this better would be merited... Hmm.. maybe look for a floppy which has such things in it..? I can forsee the security problems but it might work for some people. Actually, I think someone has already at least done the basics of it, (ie having a CD boot into FreeBSD and mount itself as root) if you're interested I'll see if I can find some more info out about it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 02:52:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA22710 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:52:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA22689; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:52:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA11590; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:57:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:57:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Satoshi Asami cc: obrien@NUXI.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk In-Reply-To: <199810070915.CAA09589@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Satoshi Asami wrote: > * > What do you guys think? Am I totally off the mark? > * > * Would be a cool thing to have available to others. > > By the way, does anyone know of other systems (doesn't have to be > FreeBSD) that boots and runs from CD-ROMs? (I'm not talking about > installation CDs here -- I want to know about systems that use CD-ROMs > for system disks during normal operations.) Hmm... I thought this is the case with 'live filesystem' disk from 4-CD set produced by Walnut Creek... Never seen it, so I might be wrong. Andrzej Bialecki -------------------- ++-------++ ------------------------------------- ||PicoBSD|| FreeBSD in your pocket? Go and see: Research & Academic |+-------+| "Small & Embedded FreeBSD" Network in Poland | |TT~~~| | http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ -------------------- ~-+==---+-+ ------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 02:55:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA23198 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:55:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA23190 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:55:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) id CAA19810; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19981007025457.D19684@nuxi.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:54:57 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199810070915.CAA09589@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrzej Bialecki on Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 11:57:26AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > FreeBSD) that boots and runs from CD-ROMs? (I'm not talking about > > installation CDs here -- I want to know about systems that use CD-ROMs > > for system disks during normal operations.) > > Hmm... I thought this is the case with 'live filesystem' disk from 4-CD > set produced by Walnut Creek... Never seen it, so I might be wrong. Nope, the Live filesystem CDROM is more a backup of a fresh install. It doesn't have a usage /etc/rc.conf. Also if you tried to use it as /, it would try to write into a RO /var/tmp, etc... -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 02:57:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA23605 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:57:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nu.binary.net (nu.binary.net [12.13.120.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA23594 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:57:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yura@matrix.binary.net) Received: from matrix.binary.net (yura@matrix.binary.net [12.13.120.2]) by nu.binary.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id EAA03855; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 04:57:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from yura@localhost) by matrix.binary.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id EAA05554; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 04:57:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19981007045713.A5273@binary.net> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 04:57:13 -0500 From: Yura Socolov To: Brian Behlendorf Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk Reply-To: yura@binary.net References: <19981007001529.A18576@nuxi.com> <199810070717.AAA08922@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <19981007092526.22860.qmail@hyperreal.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19981007092526.22860.qmail@hyperreal.org>; from Brian Behlendorf on Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 02:18:11AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 02:18:11AM -0700, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > At 12:17 AM 10/7/98 -0700, Satoshi Asami wrote: > >CDBSD? :) > > Run with this. With 32x CDROM drives as cheap as they are, and the ability > to burn CD's pretty accessible, this would be a *very* economic way to > provide standard distributions in an institutional setting. There's some > other things in /etc I'd want to be able to change without having to create > a new CD (for example, /etc/nologin), but that's a matter of configuration Another option can be LSBSD -- on a 120M LS120 floppy disk. Those run less then $90 lately, the disk costs around $10 or so, but it's writeable and so on... That would eliminate all read-only problems, and FreeBSD can run beautifully on 120M. Copying those disks is also not a problem, obviously. I am not sure about support of those drives, though, since i've never had one myself. -- yu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 03:09:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA25404 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 03:09:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from klara.physik.tu-berlin.de (klara.physik.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.160.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA25397 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 03:09:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ro@physik.tu-berlin.de) Received: from physik.tu-berlin.de (klara.physik.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.160.196]) by klara.physik.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07246 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:08:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ro@physik.tu-berlin.de) Message-ID: <361B3DB8.A81F9C8@physik.tu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:08:56 +0200 From: Robert Kastl Organization: IFPL-TU-Berlin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-current To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 03:21:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA26824 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 03:21:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from axl.training.iafrica.com (axl.training.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA26562; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 03:19:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.training.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.training.iafrica.com) by axl.training.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zQqgB-00056I-00; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:18:47 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) cc: obrien@NUXI.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 02:15:29 MST." <199810070915.CAA09589@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:18:47 +0200 Message-ID: <19609.907755527@axl.training.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 02:15:29 MST, Satoshi Asami wrote: > By the way, does anyone know of other systems (doesn't have to be > FreeBSD) that boots and runs from CD-ROMs? Hi Satoshi, My first experience with UNIX was with Yggdrasil Linux, which sported a bootable CDROM with live filesystem. At the time ('94?) it really sucked. More info at http://www.yggdrasil.com/, but be aware that this distribution of Linux was only available as a CDROM that is distributed on a commercial basis. This may have changed in the last 4 years. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 03:59:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA01715 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 03:59:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ocean.campus.luth.se (ocean.campus.luth.se [130.240.194.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA01700 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 03:59:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se) Received: (from karpen@localhost) by ocean.campus.luth.se (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA11769; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:56:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from karpen) From: Mikael Karpberg Message-Id: <199810071056.MAA11769@ocean.campus.luth.se> Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk In-Reply-To: <199810062326.QAA07881@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> from Satoshi Asami at "Oct 6, 98 04:26:05 pm" To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:56:42 +0200 (CEST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Satoshi Asami: > Hi, > > I'm thinking about using CDROMs as boot (system) disks on our cluster. > This is because the internal (IDE) drives shipped with the PCs seem to > have an enormous failure rate (25% in 1 1/2 years) and it's also a > pain in the backside to replace them. (We have external (SCSI) disks > too but would like to avoid using them as anything other than swap and > logs for reasons that I will not go into here.) > > So, the question is: is there anyone out there using this kind of > setup? > > Obviously lots of stuff (except /tmp and /var) has to be read-only, > and I could get rid of most of the boot-time warnings and errors with > the following patches (relative to -stable) to move motd and nologin > to /var/run: [patch removed] > (Incidentally, nologin seems to belong to /var/run in all senses of the > word; does anyone know why it's in /etc at all?) I agree, it very much seem like it should be in /var/run to me. > One problem is how to identify the hostname. Since it is currently Umm... Why not Simply make your rc.conf set the hostname to: `cat /var/hostname` > What do you guys think? Am I totally off the mark? Well... Moving /etc/nologin seems like a perfectly sane thing to do, except for hysterical reasons. I see no reason to move anything else, however. Just have the CDROM set hostname to /var/hostname and make /etc/motd a symlink to /var/motd, or such. If you need some file to change, just make it a symlink on the CD, and make the system go to /var/ that way instead of changing the scripts. Or am I missing something? /Mikael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 05:31:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA10572 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 05:31:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kokee.hawaiian.net (kokee.hawaiian.net [206.154.198.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA10567 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 05:31:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jsy@hawaiian.net) Received: from dakine (dakine.hawaiian.net [209.213.37.12]) by kokee.hawaiian.net (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id CAA11851 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:41:04 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000701bdf1ef$55542ea0$0c25d5d1@dakine.hawaiian.net> From: "John Sydney Yamane" To: Subject: hi Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:38:06 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDF19B.83436960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDF19B.83436960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi there.. keep me updated... i just installed FreeBSD. thanks syd ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDF19B.83436960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDF19B.83436960-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 06:13:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15681 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:13:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zone.syracuse.net (zone.syracuse.net [205.232.47.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA15675 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:13:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@zone.syracuse.net) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by zone.syracuse.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA07366; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:08:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Feldman To: Mark Murray cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Broken PLIP code? In-Reply-To: <199810070651.IAA22465@gratis.grondar.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Actually, I notice this too :/ Strangely, this is with iijppp, using /dev/{tun0,cuaa1} as its devices, but I understand it could scroll through all the devices to find the tuns, or something like that. I'm pretty sure the ioctl that causes this is SIOCSIFFLAGS. Cheers, Brian Feldman On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Mark Murray wrote: > Hi > > I put the new parallel port drivers into my kernel: > > > controller ppc0 at isa? port ? tty irq 7 vector ppcintr > controller ppbus0 > device nlpt0 at ppbus? > device plip0 at ppbus? > > ... and the PLIP device acts funny: > > # ifconfig -a > : > lp0: flags=8810 mtu 1500 > : > Oct 7 08:49:33 greenpeace /kernel: LP:ioctl(0xc0286938) > > M > -- > Mark Murray > Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 06:13:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15738 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:13:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA15727 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:13:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thyerm@camtech.net.au) Received: from camtech.net.au (dialup-ad-12-40.camtech.net.au [203.55.242.40]) by goliath.camtech.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id WAA21885; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:42:19 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <361B68B9.F7ECE3A2@camtech.net.au> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:42:25 +0930 From: Matthew Thyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: obrien@NUXI.com CC: Andrzej Bialecki , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk References: <199810070915.CAA09589@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <19981007025457.D19684@nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sounds like a job for a unionfs over the Live filesystem CDROM David O'Brien wrote: > > > > FreeBSD) that boots and runs from CD-ROMs? (I'm not talking about > > > installation CDs here -- I want to know about systems that use CD-ROMs > > > for system disks during normal operations.) > > > > Hmm... I thought this is the case with 'live filesystem' disk from 4-CD > > set produced by Walnut Creek... Never seen it, so I might be wrong. > > Nope, the Live filesystem CDROM is more a backup of a fresh install. It > doesn't have a usage /etc/rc.conf. Also if you tried to use it as /, it > would try to write into a RO /var/tmp, etc... > > -- > -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- /=====================================================================\ |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| \=====================================================================/ "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 06:39:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA19663 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:39:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from amadeus.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de (amadeus.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de [141.31.111.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA19655 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:39:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from henry@MX.BA-Stuttgart.De) Received: from [141.31.111.20] (hvppc.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de [141.31.111.20]) by amadeus.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de with ESMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id PAA29045 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:39:20 +0200 (METDST) Message-Id: <199810071339.PAA29045@amadeus.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:38:40 +0200 Subject: 3.0-19981006-BETA Installation dies w/ Signal 11 From: "Henry Vogt" To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, 3.0-19981006-BETA minimal Installation is broken: I'm installing via NFS on small scratchbox:-), last lines in Debug are as follows: -------------------------------- C U T ------------------------------------------- kernel.GENERIC 7480 blocks DEBUG uc_open: for entry 0 ... ... DEBUG uc_open: for entry 9 ... DEBUG uc_open: attempting to open /dev/kmem for incore DEBUG uc_open: got isa information DEBUG uc_open: got pci information DEBUG Signal 11 caught. That's bad. -------------------------------- C U T ------------------------------------------- btw: using default Swap (105MB) space leads to swap_pager "suggest more swap: 90MB" message before DEBUG Signal 11 caught. That's bad. Increasing swap to 150 MB makes this message go away, but install dies anyway with Signal 11. And: 19981004-BETA minimal Installation on the same box works *ok*. Regards Henry // // Do you suffer from long term memory loss ? // - I don't remember:-( // // Henry Vogt, FR Informationstechnik an der Berufsakademie Stuttgart. // e-mail: hv@BA-Stuttgart.De Tel. (dienstl.): 0711/6673-6967 // http://www.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de/~hv To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 06:42:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20135 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:42:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles29.castles.com [208.214.165.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20122 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:42:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA03046; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:47:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810071347.GAA03046@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 16:26:05 PDT." <199810062326.QAA07881@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 06:47:11 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I'm thinking about using CDROMs as boot (system) disks on our cluster. > This is because the internal (IDE) drives shipped with the PCs seem to > have an enormous failure rate (25% in 1 1/2 years) and it's also a > pain in the backside to replace them. (We have external (SCSI) disks > too but would like to avoid using them as anything other than swap and > logs for reasons that I will not go into here.) You want to discover that CDROM drives have a similar MTBF under constant use? They'd slower, have lower data density, and if anything, will fail more rapidly. > So, the question is: is there anyone out there using this kind of > setup? I've played with it off and on. You really don't want to do it for a production environment unless you never touch the system disk in normal operation. > Obviously lots of stuff (except /tmp and /var) has to be read-only, > and I could get rid of most of the boot-time warnings and errors with > the following patches (relative to -stable) to move motd and nologin > to /var/run: The basic issue is that you still need some writable storage, and as long as that's local, you still have local disks. > (Incidentally, nologin seems to belong to /var/run in all senses of the > word; does anyone know why it's in /etc at all?) Hysterical raisins. > What do you guys think? Am I totally off the mark? Definitely. You have a reliability problem that you need to address. To start with, you need to work out whether the problem is actually inherent in the disks you're using, or whether it's environmental. Then you need to follow through; if its environmental (eg. heat, humidity, etc.), fix it. If it really is the disks, consider using better disks. Plenty of systems up 24/7 have disks 5 years old or more. Consider using removable disk sleds and keeping some spares around. Dumping disks and going with CDROMs isn't going to help you reliability-wise at all, and it'll hurt you in lots of other ways. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 06:45:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20636 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:45:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles29.castles.com [208.214.165.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20620 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:45:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA02925; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:20:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810071320.GAA02925@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Louis A. Mamakos" cc: Mike Smith , Stefan Eggers , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Two /boot/loader anomalies In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:22:10 EDT." <199810070022.UAA12234@whizzo.transsys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 06:20:07 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > > that the "autoboot 5" I specified in /boot/boot.conf does get executed > > > > > but has no count down. I have to press ENTER to get it to boot. My > > > > > > > You'll get this if the timer isn't working properly. I've seen a > > > > couple of reports of this, but I haven't been able to reproduce it yet. > > > > > > Really strange. The call seems to be correct. :-( > > > > I'm working on it at the moment. It doesn't help that I don't know > > what's wrong. 8( I may have to revert to using the RTC hardware. 8( > > Hmm.. I thought I was crazy as I've seen this too. On my P-133 system > with an old AMI BIOS, I did get the countdown. I noticed yesterday that > on my Dell Latitude laptop (with an Award BIOS, but I'm not sure and > don't have it handy at the moment), I don't get the countdown, either. Please try again; there were errors in the keypress detection logic. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 06:47:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20963 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:47:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.webwizard.net.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20933 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:47:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Received: from webwizard.org.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by dns.webwizard.net.mx (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA21821 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:40:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Message-ID: <361B6F5D.D2A4247A@webwizard.org.mx> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:40:45 -0500 From: Edwin Culp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: boot/loader Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >From a CVSUP about two hours ago and after having made world successfully, I went to /sys/boot and did a make depend && make all && make install and received these error messages. /usr/lib/libstand.a(strcasecmp.o): In function `strcasecmp': strcasecmp.o(.text+0x19): undefined reference to `___tolower' strcasecmp.o(.text+0x25): undefined reference to `_CurrentRuneLocale' strcasecmp.o(.text+0x3e): undefined reference to `___tolower' strcasecmp.o(.text+0x49): undefined reference to `_CurrentRuneLocale' strcasecmp.o(.text+0x71): undefined reference to `___tolower' strcasecmp.o(.text+0x7d): undefined reference to `_CurrentRuneLocale' strcasecmp.o(.text+0x96): undefined reference to `___tolower' strcasecmp.o(.text+0x9d): undefined reference to `_CurrentRuneLocale' /usr/lib/libstand.a(strcasecmp.o): In function `strncasecmp': strcasecmp.o(.text+0xd9): undefined reference to `___tolower' strcasecmp.o(.text+0xe5): undefined reference to `_CurrentRuneLocale' strcasecmp.o(.text+0xfe): undefined reference to `___tolower' strcasecmp.o(.text+0x109): undefined reference to `_CurrentRuneLocale' strcasecmp.o(.text+0x125): undefined reference to `___tolower' strcasecmp.o(.text+0x131): undefined reference to `_CurrentRuneLocale' strcasecmp.o(.text+0x14a): undefined reference to `___tolower' strcasecmp.o(.text+0x151): undefined reference to `_CurrentRuneLocale' *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. Thanks ed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 06:47:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA21021 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:47:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles29.castles.com [208.214.165.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20996 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:47:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA03076; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:52:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810071352.GAA03076@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: yura@binary.net cc: Brian Behlendorf , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 04:57:13 CDT." <19981007045713.A5273@binary.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 06:52:10 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Run with this. With 32x CDROM drives as cheap as they are, and the ability > > to burn CD's pretty accessible, this would be a *very* economic way to > > provide standard distributions in an institutional setting. There's some > > other things in /etc I'd want to be able to change without having to create > > a new CD (for example, /etc/nologin), but that's a matter of configuration > > Another option can be LSBSD -- on a 120M LS120 floppy disk. Those run > less then $90 lately, the disk costs around $10 or so, but it's > writeable and so on... > > That would eliminate all read-only problems, and FreeBSD can run > beautifully on 120M. Yup. I have an old -current system on LS-120. Performance is unstellar. > Copying those disks is also not a problem, obviously. > > I am not sure about support of those drives, though, since i've never had > one myself. There are problems with the old boot1/boot2 loader relating to these disks. The new loader should get it right (this applies to ATAPI Zip drives too), although you need a BIOS that understands the drive to boot from it. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 06:55:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA22786 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:55:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles29.castles.com [208.214.165.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA22771 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:55:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03172; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:00:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810071400.HAA03172@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: joelh@gnu.org cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BETA problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 19:34:25 CDT." <199810060034.TAA02361@detlev.UUCP> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 07:00:35 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > At the beginning of this weekend, I started installing the 0928 beta. > Due to phone line quality issues out here, it took two days, and ended > with me installing the necessary stuff plus the (then released) 1002 > source, and then doing a make world. (One suggestion: If an install > fails due to a network failure, restart at the block instead of at the > distribution.) Owing to the way the blocks are compressed, you can't do this. You have to start at the beginning. > During the install, I noticed that the CAM drivers don't appear in > user_config. I know this was discussed elsewhere, but my $0.02 says > get it in before release if possible. Already done. > In the release notes, we say that the 3C509 is supported. Preliminary > tests indicate that the ep0 driver in the 10/02 beta is in less of a > functioning state than ever. (Does anybody know how to get the > blasted 3C509 programmers' specs?) Write to 3com. > Now, after making world, compiling a new kernel, and rebooting, I get > a string of SCSI probe messages during boot: > > (probe2:aha0:0:2:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 > (probe2:aha0:0:2:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 > (probe2:aha0:0:2:0): Invalid field in CDB > (probe3:aha0:0:3:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 > (probe3:aha0:0:3:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 > (probe3:aha0:0:3:0): Invalid field in CDB > (probe4:aha0:0:4:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 > (probe4:aha0:0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST > (probe5:aha0:0:5:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 > (probe5:aha0:0:5:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 > (probe5:aha0:0:5:0): Invalid field in CDB field replaceable unit: 14 > (probe6:aha0:0:6:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 > (probe6:aha0:0:6:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 > (probe6:aha0:0:6:0): Invalid field in CDB sks:c0,1 > > These messages were also present when booting with GENERIC, except for > id 4 (a tape drive), and the orders of ids 5 and 6 were switched. These have already been discussed. If you don't boot with -v, you won't see them. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 07:08:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25324 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:08:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25291 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:08:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id QAA16921; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:05:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from semyam.dinoco.de (semyam.dinoco.de [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00639; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:57:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199810071357.PAA00639@semyam.dinoco.de> To: "Viren R. Shah" Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, seggers@semyam.dinoco.de Subject: Re: boot loader problems.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 14:40:26 +0200." <199810071240.OAA25584@semyam.dinoco.de> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:57:20 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > yesterday evening) and I don't know why. It could be a BIOS bug or a > bug with returning flags in the new boot loader's VM86 code I think. I It was a bug in VM86 interrupt usage which caused the trouble I have seen with the fix suggested by Mike Smith. I have it working for me now. See my other mail where I included a new fix which now works for me. Stefan. -- Stefan Eggers Lu4 yao2 zhi1 ma3 li4, Max-Slevogt-Str. 1 ri4 jiu3 jian4 ren2 xin1. 51109 Koeln Federal Republic of Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 07:08:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25352 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:08:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25316 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:08:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id QAA16910; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:05:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from semyam.dinoco.de (semyam.dinoco.de [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25584; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:40:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199810071240.OAA25584@semyam.dinoco.de> To: "Viren R. Shah" cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, seggers@semyam.dinoco.de Subject: Re: boot loader problems.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:35:36 EDT." <199810061735.NAA00682@jabberwock.rstcorp.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 14:40:26 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hit [enter] to boot immediately or .... > > prompt. > > At this point my /boot/boot.conf file was empty. > > I had to put a "boot /kernel.aout" into the /boot/boot.conf file. My Known bug. Has to do with the BIOS using keyboard code in the boot loader. Happens for me (Award Modular BIOS 4.51PG) when I either abort the memory check at cold start or have a boot password and thus entered it. If there were no keypresses the code worked for me as expected, though it is incorrect. > Is there an intermediate solution where it will wait 5 seconds before > autobooting kernel.aout? Don't do any keypresses before you reach the boot loader. :-( At least with my BIOS correct keyboard code doesn't work (tried it yesterday evening) and I don't know why. It could be a BIOS bug or a bug with returning flags in the new boot loader's VM86 code I think. I don't know enough of it at present do decide what of these both it is. You could use a serial console instead of keyboard/video card. Then you won't see this problem for obvious reasons - it uses different code for I/O then. An unused old PC with Dos+Terminal emulator or using a.out FreeBSD will do for this. Stefan. -- Stefan Eggers Lu4 yao2 zhi1 ma3 li4, Max-Slevogt-Str. 1 ri4 jiu3 jian4 ren2 xin1. 51109 Koeln Federal Republic of Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 07:09:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25414 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:09:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25371 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:08:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id QAA16911; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:05:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from semyam.dinoco.de (semyam.dinoco.de [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00618; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:54:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199810071354.PAA00618@semyam.dinoco.de> To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, seggers@semyam.dinoco.de Subject: Re: Boot loader's autoload bug fix (was: Re: Two /boot/loader anomalies ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 18:32:46 PDT." <199810070132.SAA02472@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:54:16 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Bleagh. Maybe I should clear the keyboard buffer first? Nothing of this kind necessary at all! I found the problem with this and have it working now. A mere oversight in the VM86 usage. It was just the mistake of not setting V86_FLAGS in the control entry of the VM86 interrupt and thus it didn't pass flags back and what we don't get we hardly can check with a reliable result. I didn't notice this when testing because I never bothered with the VM86 mechanism in BTX (and even in general) before and your suggested fix didn't include it. This is *the* fix I hope: Index: i386/libi386/vidconsole.c =================================================================== RCS file: /usr2/FreeBSD/CVSROOT/src/sys/boot/i386/libi386/vidconsole.c,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.3 vidconsole.c --- vidconsole.c 1998/10/02 16:32:45 1.3 +++ vidconsole.c 1998/10/07 13:49:07 @@ -32,6 +32,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include "libi386.h" #if KEYBOARD_PROBE @@ -106,11 +107,11 @@ static int vidc_ischar(void) { - v86.ctl = 0; + v86.ctl = V86_FLAGS; v86.addr = 0x16; v86.eax = 0x100; v86int(); - return(v86.eax); + return((v86.efl & PSL_Z) == 0); } #if KEYBOARD_PROBE Stefan. -- Stefan Eggers Lu4 yao2 zhi1 ma3 li4, Max-Slevogt-Str. 1 ri4 jiu3 jian4 ren2 xin1. 51109 Koeln Federal Republic of Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 07:09:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25486 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:09:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25440 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:09:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id QAA16908; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:05:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from semyam.dinoco.de (semyam.dinoco.de [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01411; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:48:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199810070748.JAA01411@semyam.dinoco.de> To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, seggers@semyam.dinoco.de Subject: Re: Boot loader's autoload bug fix (was: Re: Two /boot/loader anomalies ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 18:32:46 PDT." <199810070132.SAA02472@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:48:52 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > wait for the user.-> Same as before. Reversing the test makes it > > ignore all user input. > > Bleagh. Maybe I should clear the keyboard buffer first? I made more tests and found out that the buggy version which tested EAX worked when I had no boot password and did not do any keypress before entering the boot loader. If I pressed some key to enter a password or exit the memory test early the countdown didn't work. That explains why I remembered it worked and then it stopped working. For security reasons I set a boot password and that was the change making the problem appear on my system. Removing it and letting it boot without any keyboard input makes it work as expected The version which tests the zero flag either constantly claims there are characters and makes the countdown not work (your version) or makes the boot loader ignore all keypresses (a version with the not removed). Is it sure that BTX passes back correct flags? Some other part proven to work and giving back a result in some flags which are likely to get trashed like carry and zero? > > I guess I'll try the subfunction 11h - maybe that works better. > > On at least one system here it makes it fail to see anything at all. How old is the BIOS that it doesn't know about the extended keyboards? Stefan. -- Stefan Eggers Lu4 yao2 zhi1 ma3 li4, Max-Slevogt-Str. 1 ri4 jiu3 jian4 ren2 xin1. 51109 Koeln Federal Republic of Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 07:10:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25710 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:10:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25572 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:09:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id QAA16909; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:05:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from semyam.dinoco.de (semyam.dinoco.de [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01426; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:50:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199810070750.JAA01426@semyam.dinoco.de> To: "Louis A. Mamakos" cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, seggers@semyam.dinoco.de Subject: Re: Two /boot/loader anomalies In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:22:10 EDT." <199810070022.UAA12234@whizzo.transsys.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:50:31 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > on my Dell Latitude laptop (with an Award BIOS, but I'm not sure and > don't have it handy at the moment), I don't get the countdown, either. Turn off the boot password if you have set it and don't make any keypress before the boot loader comes up. That "solved" the problem for me. Of course no real solution but if it works then it's most likely the same effect I had Stefan. -- Stefan Eggers Lu4 yao2 zhi1 ma3 li4, Max-Slevogt-Str. 1 ri4 jiu3 jian4 ren2 xin1. 51109 Koeln Federal Republic of Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 07:42:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01621 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:42:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01588 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:42:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thyerm@camtech.net.au) Received: from camtech.net.au (dialup-ad-12-40.camtech.net.au [203.55.242.40]) by goliath.camtech.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id AAA04147; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:11:40 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <361B7DAB.59710641@camtech.net.au> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 00:11:47 +0930 From: Matthew Thyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Hedstrom CC: "Alok K. Dhir" , Nate Williams , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Netscape 4.07 (was: something is leaking) References: <361A12E3.E84320B6@camtech.net.au> <361A180E.BB91A729@camtech.net.au> <361A6D5A.BAD522D5@compecon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm guessing that the real problem is that many service providers caches are caching based on URL's without resolving the hostname component. This would cause problems in the case of a host like ftp.netscape.com which resolves to many hosts: Name: ftp.netscape.com Addresses: 204.152.166.60, 204.152.166.61, 207.200.74.21, 207.200.74.22 209.143.199.10, 209.143.199.11, 209.143.199.12, 207.200.74.25, 207.200.74.26 207.200.71.59, 204.152.166.47 My service provider is using Squid 1.2 beta 25 currently. So, as David Cross suggests, wait for all the mirrors to be populated or connect straight to particular mirrors suchs as ftp3.netscape.com that are known to have the development versions. Now I can get Netscape to re-get a URL directly with shift-Reload, but how do you tell fetch to do the same thing ?? (for when the cache is reporting the wrong thing). Eric Hedstrom wrote: > > that's too odd - i downloaded the freebsd 4.07 "base install" version of > communicator from the "development" directory last night (5 oct), but i just > checked again & all that's there in the "development" directory today is > bsdi11. they may be having problems with their builds or with their ftp > server, although the 4.07 i got seems to work ok. > > Eric Hedstrom > erich@compecon.com > -- /=====================================================================\ |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| \=====================================================================/ "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 08:17:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08505 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:17:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.volant.org (phoenix.volant.org [205.179.79.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08500 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:17:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from patl@phoenix.volant.org) From: patl@phoenix.volant.org Received: from asimov.phoenix.volant.org ([205.179.79.65]) by phoenix.volant.org with smtp (Exim 1.92 #8) id 0zQvKk-0003eS-00; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:16:58 -0700 Received: from localhost by asimov.phoenix.volant.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA22287; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:14:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: patl@phoenix.volant.org Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk To: yura@binary.net cc: Brian Behlendorf , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19981007045713.A5273@binary.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Another option can be LSBSD -- on a 120M LS120 floppy disk. Those run less > then $90 lately, the disk costs around $10 or so, but it's writeable and > so on... > > That would eliminate all read-only problems, and FreeBSD can run > beautifully on 120M. > > Copying those disks is also not a problem, obviously. > > I am not sure about support of those drives, though, since i've never had > one myself. My experience is that none of the removable media systems has the long term duty cycle reliability necessary for the system disks. I haven't tried the LS120 yet; but I see nothing in the technology that would cause me to expect them to be better suited for this purpose than a Jaz, Zip, Syquest, etc. drive. Note that I would be -very- happy to be proven wrong. I keep one machine as a multi-OS system so that I have occasional access to environments that I don't use enough to dedicate a machine to. To avoid even the slightest possibility of any system install trashing any of the others, I use removable system disks instead of multi-boot systems. Since none of the removable media drives has proven to be sufficiently reliable, I've had to fall back to a caddy system. -Pat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 08:25:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA10142 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:25:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feldman.dyn.ml.org (usr33-dialup7.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.75.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA10123 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:25:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@unixhelp.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by feldman.dyn.ml.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA02424 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:25:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from green@unixhelp.org) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:25:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Feldman X-Sender: green@feldman.dyn.ml.org To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1047586893-907773917=:1840" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. 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Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:27:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA10663 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:27:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA21102; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:27:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from klinzhai-79.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.65.207) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma021099; Wed Oct 7 10:27:13 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981007083009.00719f94@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:30:09 -0500 To: "John Sydney Yamane" , From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: HTML formatted mail (was Re: hi) In-Reply-To: <000701bdf1ef$55542ea0$0c25d5d1@dakine.hawaiian.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 02:38 AM 10/7/98 -1000, John Sydney Yamane wrote: >>>> hi there.. keep me updated... i just installed FreeBSD. thanks syd <<<<<<<< Apparently you have you mail formatted like HTML. Due to the difficulity in reading such mail, this message is being sent to you automatically. Please use a straight text format when e-mailing me. thanks Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 08:29:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11258 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:29:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from home.dragondata.com (home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11242 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:29:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toasty@home.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by home.dragondata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id KAA02281; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:29:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Kevin Day Message-Id: <199810071529.KAA02281@home.dragondata.com> Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk In-Reply-To: <199810071347.GAA03046@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Oct 7, 98 06:47:11 am" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:29:20 -0500 (CDT) Cc: asami@cs.berkeley.edu, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > What do you guys think? Am I totally off the mark? > > Definitely. > > You have a reliability problem that you need to address. To start > with, you need to work out whether the problem is actually inherent in > the disks you're using, or whether it's environmental. > > Then you need to follow through; if its environmental (eg. heat, > humidity, etc.), fix it. If it really is the disks, consider using > better disks. Plenty of systems up 24/7 have disks 5 years old or more. > Consider using removable disk sleds and keeping some spares around. > > Dumping disks and going with CDROMs isn't going to help you > reliability-wise at all, and it'll hurt you in lots of other ways. > I agree here. I'm working on an embedded product, and one of the *big* reasons for using a hard drive, instead of CD-ROM is reliability. What's worse: newer CD-ROMS die faster than old ones. The faster the drive is trying to read data, the quicker it'll blow itself up. From what I can tell, a seek/read operation every 20-30 seconds will give you a 6X cdrom that'll last 3-9 months. Faster drives won't make it as long. I killed a 32X cdrom in 2 days of accesses every 40 seconds, which was just enough time for the read to complete, the drive to spin down, then when it had just spun down, time to spin up again, and read. Depending on if your delays between seeks are enough time for the drive to spin down or not are a big factor. (spin down/spin up/seek/read is nasty) Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 08:37:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12962 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:37:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA12945 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:37:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no (2602@hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.130]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id RAA10907; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:36:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:36:30 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Ollivier Robert Cc: Kazutaka YOKOTA , "FreeBSD Current Users' list" Subject: Re: Funny bug with VESA mode under syscons References: <19981006212313.A27269@keltia.freenix.fr> <199810070319.MAA16554@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> <19981007080115.A647@keltia.freenix.fr> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 07 Oct 1998 17:36:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: Ollivier Robert's message of "Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:01:15 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id IAA12955 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ollivier Robert writes: > It is probably not random. It is difficult to see when exactly but if it > was a printer, I'd say that sometimes it prints only a LF and not CR+LF. > > It prints a few lines then decides to start the next one on the same column > the previous one was stopping. Staircase effect. Probably a buggy BIOS. Should we try to work around it in syscons? DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 08:39:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA13338 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:39:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13321 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:39:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00451; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:43:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810071543.IAA00451@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Edwin Culp cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: boot/loader In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:40:45 CDT." <361B6F5D.D2A4247A@webwizard.org.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:43:21 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >From a CVSUP about two hours ago and after having made world > successfully, I went to /sys/boot and did a > make depend && make all && make install and received these error > messages. > /usr/lib/libstand.a(strcasecmp.o): In function > `strcasecmp': ... I forgot to add a file to libstand; re-cvsup and check that src/lib/libstand/strcasecmp.c exists, then rebuild/reinstall libstand. Sorry about that. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 08:42:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA14312 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:42:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA14248 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:42:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00472; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:46:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810071546.IAA00472@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Stefan Eggers cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Boot loader's autoload bug fix (was: Re: Two /boot/loader anomalies ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:48:52 +0200." <199810070748.JAA01411@semyam.dinoco.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:46:02 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > wait for the user.-> Same as before. Reversing the test makes it > > > ignore all user input. > > > > Bleagh. Maybe I should clear the keyboard buffer first? > > I made more tests and found out that the buggy version which tested > EAX worked when I had no boot password and did not do any keypress > before entering the boot loader. If I pressed some key to enter a > password or exit the memory test early the countdown didn't work. Can you test the version now committed, which enables the flags return and tests it correctly? It seems to work on every system I can find here. > Is it sure that BTX passes back correct flags? Some other part proven > to work and giving back a result in some flags which are likely to get > trashed like carry and zero? Yes; the disk functions consistently report errors using PSL_C. > > > I guess I'll try the subfunction 11h - maybe that works better. > > > > On at least one system here it makes it fail to see anything at all. > > How old is the BIOS that it doesn't know about the extended keyboards? Not very. It's the BIOS in the Bochs emulator that I use for rapid-turnaround testing. Just trying to play it safe. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 08:55:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA17471 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:55:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.webwizard.net.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17456 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:55:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Received: from webwizard.org.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by dns.webwizard.net.mx (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA22588; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:48:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Message-ID: <361B8D53.5C1290E6@webwizard.org.mx> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 10:48:35 -0500 From: Edwin Culp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith CC: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: boot/loader References: <199810071543.IAA00451@dingo.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > >From a CVSUP about two hours ago and after having made world > > successfully, I went to /sys/boot and did a > > make depend && make all && make install and received these error > > messages. > > /usr/lib/libstand.a(strcasecmp.o): In function > > `strcasecmp': > ... > > I forgot to add a file to libstand; re-cvsup and check that > src/lib/libstand/strcasecmp.c exists, then rebuild/reinstall libstand. > > Sorry about that. > No, sorry that I couldn't fix it. What you're doing is great. ed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 09:06:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19533 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:06:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19521 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:05:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00645; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:09:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810071609.JAA00645@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mark Murray cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Broken PLIP code? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:51:24 +0200." <199810070651.IAA22465@gratis.grondar.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:09:42 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi > > I put the new parallel port drivers into my kernel: > > > controller ppc0 at isa? port ? tty irq 7 vector ppcintr > controller ppbus0 > device nlpt0 at ppbus? > device plip0 at ppbus? > > ... and the PLIP device acts funny: > > # ifconfig -a > : > lp0: flags=8810 mtu 1500 > : > Oct 7 08:49:33 greenpeace /kernel: LP:ioctl(0xc0286938) That's SIOCGIFMEDIA, and the lp interface doesn't (yet) have switchable media support. The diagnostic is (should be) harmless, although the error return should perhaps be ENOTTY not EINVAL. Does the interface actually work? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 09:15:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21070 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:15:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21052; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:15:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no (2602@hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.130]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id RAA10571; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:34:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:34:27 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami), obrien@NUXI.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk References: <19609.907755527@axl.training.iafrica.com> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 07 Oct 1998 17:34:24 +0200 In-Reply-To: Sheldon Hearn's message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:18:47 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id JAA21057 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sheldon Hearn writes: > My first experience with UNIX was with Yggdrasil Linux, which sported > a bootable CDROM with live filesystem. At the time ('94?) it really > sucked. More info at http://www.yggdrasil.com/, but be aware that this > distribution of Linux was only available as a CDROM that is distributed > on a commercial basis. This may have changed in the last 4 years. Yggdrasil is a publishing company that prints (used to print?) the Linux Bible (the GNU testament). The CDs they shipp(ed) with the book was (is?) Slackware, AFAIR. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 09:26:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23282 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:26:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23255 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:26:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ambrisko@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA18992 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crab.whistle.com(207.76.205.112), claiming to be "whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpdv18988; Wed Oct 7 16:13:30 1998 Received: (from ambrisko@localhost) by whistle.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA27226 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:00:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ambrisko) From: Doug Ambrisko Message-Id: <199810071600.JAA27226@whistle.com> Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk In-Reply-To: from Daniel O'Connor at "Oct 7, 98 07:20:28 pm" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:00:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL29 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Daniel O'Connor writes: | | Actually, I think someone has already at least done the basics of it, | (ie having a CD boot into FreeBSD and mount itself as root) if you're | interested I'll see if I can find some more info out about it. Maybe you where thinking of me. For manufacturing purposes we made a bootable CDROM. It mounts the CD as the root file system. I modified /etc/rc to fdisk/disklabel/newfs the IDE disk drive and then copy /var on to the IDE disk drive. Then mount it as /var and boot to multi-user. We actually copy some more stuff to to IDE drive for loading system since CD-ROM are not a good random access media. Even the fast ones are slow as shown by doing a login until it gets cached in ram. The floppy is useful to configure the image (just set the BIOS to boot the CD). Doug A. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 09:45:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA26171 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:45:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw (bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.18.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA26159 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:45:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from woju@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw) From: woju@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw Received: (qmail 8439 invoked by uid 9999); 7 Oct 1998 16:48:19 -0000 Date: 7 Oct 1998 16:48:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19981007164819.8438.qmail@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw> Reply-To: woju@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0-19981006-BETA Installation dies w/ Signa ¡K X-Disclaimer: »O¤j¹q¾÷ Maxwell ¯¸¹ï¥»«H¤º®e®¤¤£­t³d¡C Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : 3.0-19981006-BETA minimal Installation is broken: : I'm installing via NFS on small scratchbox:-), last lines in Debug are as I've encounted similar situation while installing(bin+manpages+ssys) via FTP. The computer hang there at with message: "Attempting to install all selected distributions..." Alt-F2: swap_pager "suggest more swap: 138MB" message DEBUG Signal 11 caught. That's bad. (dead) : And: : 19981004-BETA minimal Installation on the same box works *ok*. Yes, me too. -- FreeBSD BIG5 Chinese Documents/FAQ http://bsd.wj.ml.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 09:56:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27554 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:56:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA27547 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:56:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA13953; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:55:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: joelh@gnu.org cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: BETA problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 19:34:25 CDT." <199810060034.TAA02361@detlev.UUCP> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:55:52 -0400 Message-ID: <13949.907779352@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Joel Ray Holveck wrote in message ID <199810060034.TAA02361@detlev.UUCP>: > At the beginning of this weekend, I started installing the 0928 beta. > Due to phone line quality issues out here, it took two days, and ended > with me installing the necessary stuff plus the (then released) 1002 > source, and then doing a make world. (One suggestion: If an install > fails due to a network failure, restart at the block instead of at the > distribution.) You can't because it's a gzip'd stream and you'd be starting in the middle of the stream.... Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 10:09:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00350 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:09:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA00331 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:09:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zQx5M-000495-00; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:09:12 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA16758; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:08:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199810071708.LAA16758@harmony.village.org> To: joelh@gnu.org Subject: Re: BETA problems Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 19:34:25 CDT." <199810060034.TAA02361@detlev.UUCP> References: <199810060034.TAA02361@detlev.UUCP> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:08:57 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199810060034.TAA02361@detlev.UUCP> Joel Ray Holveck writes: : The only actual problem this caused was that I couldn't disable the : drivers, in particular bt0, which led to this later: : : bt0: Invalid Command 0x8d : bt0: btreset - Diagnostic Active failed to assert. status = 0x30 : bt0: Failed Status Reg Test - ff : bt0: Failed Status Reg Test - ff : bt0: Failed Status Reg Test - ff : bt0: Failed Status Reg Test - ff : bt0: Failed Status Reg Test - ff : bt0 not found : aha0: Invalid Command 0x8d : aha0: ahareset - Diagnostic Active failed to assert. status = 0x30 : aha0 at 0x330-0x333 irq 11 drq 5 on isa : aha0: AHA-1542C FW Rev. 0.1 (ID=44)SCSI Host Adapter, SCSI ID 7, 17 CCBs : : aha0 still worked fine after that. This has been corrected in newer kernels. Glad to see that the aha worked fine after that point! : Now, after making world, compiling a new kernel, and rebooting, I get : a string of SCSI probe messages during boot: : : (probe2:aha0:0:2:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 : (probe2:aha0:0:2:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 : (probe2:aha0:0:2:0): Invalid field in CDB : (probe3:aha0:0:3:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 : (probe3:aha0:0:3:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 : (probe3:aha0:0:3:0): Invalid field in CDB : (probe4:aha0:0:4:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 : (probe4:aha0:0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST : (probe5:aha0:0:5:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 : (probe5:aha0:0:5:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 : (probe5:aha0:0:5:0): Invalid field in CDB field replaceable unit: 14 : (probe6:aha0:0:6:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 : (probe6:aha0:0:6:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 : (probe6:aha0:0:6:0): Invalid field in CDB sks:c0,1 : : These messages were also present when booting with GENERIC, except for : id 4 (a tape drive), and the orders of ids 5 and 6 were switched. : : If anybody can address any of these issues, please let me know. What devices do you have on your bus? This looks like the INQUIRE commands are failing for the devices. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 10:33:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04902 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:33:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04891 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:33:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id LAA11502; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:32:46 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199810071732.LAA11502@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: BETA problems In-Reply-To: <199810071708.LAA16758@harmony.village.org> from Warner Losh at "Oct 7, 98 11:08:57 am" To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:32:46 -0600 (MDT) Cc: joelh@gnu.org, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Warner Losh wrote... > In message <199810060034.TAA02361@detlev.UUCP> Joel Ray Holveck writes: > : Now, after making world, compiling a new kernel, and rebooting, I get > : a string of SCSI probe messages during boot: > : > : (probe2:aha0:0:2:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 > : (probe2:aha0:0:2:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 > : (probe2:aha0:0:2:0): Invalid field in CDB > : (probe3:aha0:0:3:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 > : (probe3:aha0:0:3:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 > : (probe3:aha0:0:3:0): Invalid field in CDB > : (probe4:aha0:0:4:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 > : (probe4:aha0:0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST > : (probe5:aha0:0:5:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 > : (probe5:aha0:0:5:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 > : (probe5:aha0:0:5:0): Invalid field in CDB field replaceable unit: 14 > : (probe6:aha0:0:6:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 > : (probe6:aha0:0:6:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 > : (probe6:aha0:0:6:0): Invalid field in CDB sks:c0,1 > : > : These messages were also present when booting with GENERIC, except for > : id 4 (a tape drive), and the orders of ids 5 and 6 were switched. > : > : If anybody can address any of these issues, please let me know. > > What devices do you have on your bus? This looks like the INQUIRE > commands are failing for the devices. That is perfectly normal when you boot with -v. Some devices don't support serial numbers, and that's all the above messages are telling you. If you boot without -v, the messages will go away. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 10:50:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08105 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:50:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.webwizard.net.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08050 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:49:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Received: from webwizard.org.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by dns.webwizard.net.mx (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA05150 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:43:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Message-ID: <361BA83A.16951A4B@webwizard.org.mx> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:43:25 -0500 From: Edwin Culp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ELF RELEASE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How close are we to making an elf release or has it already been done? Thanks ed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 10:54:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09577 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:54:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09559 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:54:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24816; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:53:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: "Henry Vogt" cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0-19981006-BETA Installation dies w/ Signal 11 In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:38:40 +0200." <199810071339.PAA29045@amadeus.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 10:53:56 -0700 Message-ID: <24811.907782836@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks, I'm on this one. I know what's broken. :) > Hello, > > 3.0-19981006-BETA minimal Installation is broken: > I'm installing via NFS on small scratchbox:-), last lines in Debug are as > follows: > -------------------------------- C U T > ------------------------------------------- > kernel.GENERIC > 7480 blocks > DEBUG uc_open: for entry 0 ... > ... > DEBUG uc_open: for entry 9 ... > DEBUG uc_open: attempting to open /dev/kmem for incore > DEBUG uc_open: got isa information > DEBUG uc_open: got pci information > DEBUG Signal 11 caught. That's bad. > -------------------------------- C U T > ------------------------------------------- > > btw: using default Swap (105MB) space leads to > swap_pager "suggest more swap: 90MB" message > before > DEBUG Signal 11 caught. That's bad. > > Increasing swap to 150 MB makes this message go away, but install dies > anyway with Signal 11. > > And: > 19981004-BETA minimal Installation on the same box works *ok*. > > Regards > > Henry > > // > // Do you suffer from long term memory loss ? > // - I don't remember:-( > // > // Henry Vogt, FR Informationstechnik an der Berufsakademie Stuttgart. > // e-mail: hv@BA-Stuttgart.De Tel. (dienstl.): 0711/6673-6967 > // http://www.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de/~hv > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 11:12:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA13589 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:12:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Chuska.ConSys.COM (Chuska.ConSys.COM [209.141.107.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13545 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:12:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rcarter@psf.Pinyon.ORG) Received: from psf.Pinyon.ORG (ip-17-215.prc.primenet.com [207.218.17.215]) by Chuska.ConSys.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10833; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:11:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from psf.Pinyon.ORG (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by psf.Pinyon.ORG (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA10265; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:09:19 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199810071809.LAA10265@psf.Pinyon.ORG> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Edwin Culp cc: Lauri Laupmaa , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ELF current & mysqld In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Oct 1998 12:26:00 EST." <36190128.55A46FAD@webwizard.org.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:09:19 -0700 From: "Russell L. Carter" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I cvsupped and built a new world yesterday (10.7.98) and now mysql 3.21.33 builds, installs, and runs fine. Odd. Russell > Lauri Laupmaa wrote: > > > Hi > > > > After converting to elf I have problems connecting to aout mysql > > daemon...syslog says: > > > > pid 208 (mysqld), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) > > > > also I cannot build ELF mysql port, because it is marked as broken. > > > > How could one circumvent this ? > > > > ______________ > > Lauri Laupmaa > > I built mysql322 last Friday with libc_r , NATIVE_THREADS=yes, clean, > right out of the box. Running fine (mysql, apache 1.3.2, X11, > afterstep-devel, natd, ipfw,samba, sharity, kernel - all elf). There > are three different mysql's in ports though. > > ed > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 11:15:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14332 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:15:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14246 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:14:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (IDENT:1wSQRRrlC9N9oufEcNy+r//ACwB2huqi@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA01975; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:14:17 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199810071814.UAA01975@gratis.grondar.za> To: Mike Smith cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Broken PLIP code? In-Reply-To: Your message of " Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:09:42 MST." <199810071609.JAA00645@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <199810071609.JAA00645@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:14:16 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > # ifconfig -a > > : > > lp0: flags=8810 mtu 1500 > > : > > Oct 7 08:49:33 greenpeace /kernel: LP:ioctl(0xc0286938) > > That's SIOCGIFMEDIA, and the lp interface doesn't (yet) have switchable > media support. The diagnostic is (should be) harmless, although the > error return should perhaps be ENOTTY not EINVAL. > > Does the interface actually work? Yes, a couple of days ago the message was: Oct 2 08:34:44 greenpeace /kernel: &RX^R ...but that came right before I could confirm/check. I was just checking that someone knew :-) M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 11:21:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15690 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:21:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15672 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:21:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01465; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:25:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810071825.LAA01465@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mark Murray cc: Mike Smith , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Broken PLIP code? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:14:16 +0200." <199810071814.UAA01975@gratis.grondar.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:25:13 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Mike Smith wrote: > > > # ifconfig -a > > > : > > > lp0: flags=8810 mtu 1500 > > > : > > > Oct 7 08:49:33 greenpeace /kernel: LP:ioctl(0xc0286938) > > > > That's SIOCGIFMEDIA, and the lp interface doesn't (yet) have switchable > > media support. The diagnostic is (should be) harmless, although the > > error return should perhaps be ENOTTY not EINVAL. > > > > Does the interface actually work? > > Yes, a couple of days ago the message was: Ok. That was an important fact you left out. We're still debating the switch to ppbus for 3.0; it's pending confirmation of reported PLIP problems, but it's good to know that it's working properly for you. > Oct 2 08:34:44 greenpeace /kernel: &RX^R > > ...but that came right before I could confirm/check. > > I was just checking that someone knew :-) Yup. Eventually the switchable media stuff could be used to select from various possible alternative protocols at the wire level. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 11:28:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16884 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:28:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16825 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:27:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (IDENT:/S7fei25LQRZHRkI3XEATSOwPLmvzBcj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA02042; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:27:13 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199810071827.UAA02042@gratis.grondar.za> To: Mike Smith cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Broken PLIP code? In-Reply-To: Your message of " Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:25:13 MST." <199810071825.LAA01465@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <199810071825.LAA01465@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:27:11 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > > Does the interface actually work? > > > > Yes, a couple of days ago the message was: > > Ok. That was an important fact you left out. We're still debating the > switch to ppbus for 3.0; it's pending confirmation of reported PLIP > problems, but it's good to know that it's working properly for you. > > > Oct 2 08:34:44 greenpeace /kernel: &RX^R > > > > ...but that came right before I could confirm/check. Oops! spoke too soon. I unplug the 'other end', and my machine now reports at longish intervals: Oct 7 20:18:59 gratis /kernel: R Where with the old code the report would have been: Sep 20 11:50:58 gratis /kernel: lp0: Too many errors, Going off-line. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 12:35:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00601 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:35:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from assurance.rstcorp.com (assurance.rstcorp.com [206.29.49.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00551 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:35:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vshah@rstcorp.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by assurance.rstcorp.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23467; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:35:31 -0400 Received: from sandbox.rstcorp.com(206.29.49.63) by assurance.rstcorp.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023458; Wed, 7 Oct 98 15:35:10 -0400 Received: from jabberwock.rstcorp.com (jabberwock [206.29.49.98]) by sandbox.rstcorp.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14961; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from vshah@localhost) by jabberwock.rstcorp.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) id PAA01028; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810071935.PAA01028@jabberwock.rstcorp.com> From: "Viren R. Shah" To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: boot loader problems.. In-Reply-To: <199810070713.AAA00967@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <199810061735.NAA00682@jabberwock.rstcorp.com> <199810070713.AAA00967@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "Viren R. Shah" X-Face: )~y+U*K:yzjz{q<5lzpI_SVef'U.])9g[C9`1N@]u3,MHY7f*l7C)[_NjM4y4K8$uIUh|\u (K&&HS6,M!61&GMTk'mqmB/Qg]]X}"?TzsFl]"2v!bl8']dma.:^IY^a[lbOI>U:b<~FyK3q-p{HmZ mn~g.`~BE!5{2D:}Yi+\_KkWe?XaHj9$ko1k8iKLYv5*_2c8"G=?Up[}hn+7RNM(bzBZ_wWk6!Pf&B ?3Tcm7M7B~W%K/I0aX3]*=jP?aM]H6HBPT`oLk+0n^_;N\2\%|Rhy;p}34Q.jEsM\qtnxcm;ag%Nq Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Smith writes: Mike> With changes I committed earlier tonight: Mike> set autoboot_delay=5 Mike> set bootfile=/kernel.aout Mike> will do the trick. I may change 'bootfile' to 'kern_bootfile' to be Mike> more consistent with the sysctl name, but I haven't settled on the Mike> convention(s) to use there yet. Works perfectly now. I get the correct countdown regardless of whether I pressed a key before or not. Thanks. Viren -- Viren R. Shah "Design is the successful application of constraints until only an unique product is left" -- Richard W. Pew (from "The Design of Everday Things" by Don Norman) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 12:54:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04887 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:54:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04833 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:53:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from localhost (kpielorz@localhost) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA05946 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:53:40 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:53:40 +0100 (BST) From: Karl Pielorz To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Problem mounting CD jukebox under CAM? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've just put another cd-rom in one of my slow-but trust Nakamichi CD-ROM jukeboxes... >From the console: " caladan> mount -t cd9660 /dev/cd4a /jukebox/deep cd9660: Invalid argument caladan> " Any ideas? (exactly the same managed to mount /dev/cd0a through cd3a and cd7a through cd10a)... I have an fstab entry for that drive, which says: " /dev/cd4a /jukebox/deep cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 " Which is the same as the other disks in the jukebox, but a 'mount /jukebox/deep' nets the same error... I can mount other disks in that same drive / LUN number, and they work fine... I'm beginning to suspect it might be the disk - but shouldn't I get a better error back than just 'cd9660: Invalid argument'. The CD is a pure IS09660 image, not Joleit / Romeo etc. I can read it in my other PC (not that that's any consilation)... Dmesg output says: "cd4 at ahc1 bus 0 target 5 lun 4 cd4: Removable CD-ROM SCSI2 device cd4: 3.300MB/s transfers" and an ls -l /dev/cd4a & cd0a (for comparison) gets: brw------- 1 root operator 6, 32 Oct 5 11:58 /dev/cd4a brw------- 1 root operator 6, 34 Oct 5 11:58 /dev/cd4c brw------- 1 root operator 6, 0 Oct 5 11:58 /dev/cd0a brw------- 1 root operator 6, 2 Oct 5 11:58 /dev/cd0c I can 'od /dev/cd4a' - I just can't mount it... I seem to remember this same disk was in the same drive, and mounted OK before we went CAM (though I can't be 100% sure - I don't use the disk that often :-( The system is current as of 11am, Sunday last - it's running an a.out kernel and ELF everything else... Anyone got any suggestions? (apart from burn another disk ;-) Regards, Karl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 13:16:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11206 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:16:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11134 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:16:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA13546; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:15:22 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:15:22 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Brian Feldman cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Brian Feldman wrote: > How does this work, as a translation of elf_machdep.c from alpha, to i386? > > Note: kldload still doesn't work right..... It looks reasonable at first inspection. You can use 'objdump --reloc' to list the types of relocation in the object you are trying to load. The easiest way to debug this stuff is to put a breakpoint in elf_reloc and simply examine each one. For a small test module, there won't be very many. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 13:39:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17440 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:39:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17371 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:39:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id WAA17132; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:34:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from semyam.dinoco.de (semyam.dinoco.de [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00629; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:34:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199810072034.WAA00629@semyam.dinoco.de> To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, seggers@semyam.dinoco.de Subject: Re: Boot loader's autoload bug fix (was: Re: Two /boot/loader anomalies ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:46:02 PDT." <199810071546.IAA00472@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:34:22 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Can you test the version now committed, which enables the flags return > and tests it correctly? It seems to work on every system I can find Took some time as I was during a buildworld (takes some time on an ELF system equipped with just a Pentium 100) and didn't want to interrupt that. It works as expected for me in the cases where it previously had failed. I think this is fixed now. > Not very. It's the BIOS in the Bochs emulator that I use for > rapid-turnaround testing. Just trying to play it safe. Maybe one should tell the emulator one day that these things exist and BIOS support, too. ;-) Stefan. -- Stefan Eggers Lu4 yao2 zhi1 ma3 li4, Max-Slevogt-Str. 1 ri4 jiu3 jian4 ren2 xin1. 51109 Koeln Federal Republic of Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 14:03:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22125 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:03:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22114 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:03:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id PAA12775; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:03:41 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199810072103.PAA12775@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: Problem mounting CD jukebox under CAM? In-Reply-To: from Karl Pielorz at "Oct 7, 98 08:53:40 pm" To: kpielorz@tdx.co.uk (Karl Pielorz) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:03:41 -0600 (MDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Karl Pielorz wrote... > I've just put another cd-rom in one of my slow-but trust Nakamichi CD-ROM > jukeboxes... > > >From the console: > > " > caladan> mount -t cd9660 /dev/cd4a /jukebox/deep > cd9660: Invalid argument > caladan> > " > > Any ideas? (exactly the same managed to mount /dev/cd0a through cd3a and > cd7a through cd10a)... [ ... ] > I can mount other disks in that same drive / LUN number, and they work > fine... I'm beginning to suspect it might be the disk - but shouldn't I > get a better error back than just 'cd9660: Invalid argument'. If you can mount other CDs in that slot in the drive, I'd say that the cd9660 code probably doesn't like your CD. I don't think that's really a CAM problem. It could be that the CD is bogus, or that the cd9660 code isn't properly dealing with it. > The CD is a pure IS09660 image, not Joleit / Romeo etc. I can read it in > my other PC (not that that's any consilation)... > Dmesg output says: > "cd4 at ahc1 bus 0 target 5 lun 4 > cd4: Removable CD-ROM SCSI2 device > cd4: 3.300MB/s transfers" When you boot the machine with the CD in question in the drive, what do you get for the CD's size? (your cut-and-paste above doesn't include that information..) > and an ls -l /dev/cd4a & cd0a (for comparison) gets: > > brw------- 1 root operator 6, 32 Oct 5 11:58 /dev/cd4a > brw------- 1 root operator 6, 34 Oct 5 11:58 /dev/cd4c > brw------- 1 root operator 6, 0 Oct 5 11:58 /dev/cd0a > brw------- 1 root operator 6, 2 Oct 5 11:58 /dev/cd0c > > I can 'od /dev/cd4a' - I just can't mount it... > > I seem to remember this same disk was in the same drive, and mounted OK > before we went CAM (though I can't be 100% sure - I don't use the disk > that often :-( > > The system is current as of 11am, Sunday last - it's running an a.out > kernel and ELF everything else... > > Anyone got any suggestions? (apart from burn another disk ;-) One thing you can do is turn on debugging for that bus/target/lun and see what commands are being sent. If "Sunday last" means October 4th, you should be able to do the following: camcontrol devlist -v [ see which SCSI bus your changer is on ] camcontrol debug -c 1:5:4 [ the first number - '1' - is the SCSI bus number. If your changer is on scbus2 or something, you'll need to replace the '1' with a '2' ] mount_cd9660 /dev/cd4a /cdrom camcontrol debug off That will cause all SCSI commands sent to that particular lun to be printed out on the console. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 14:04:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22294 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:04:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22289 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:04:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02528; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:07:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810072107.OAA02528@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: patl@phoenix.volant.org cc: yura@binary.net, Brian Behlendorf , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:14:14 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 14:07:48 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > My experience is that none of the removable media systems has the long > term duty cycle reliability necessary for the system disks. I haven't > tried the LS120 yet; but I see nothing in the technology that would > cause me to expect them to be better suited for this purpose than a Jaz, > Zip, Syquest, etc. drive. Magneto-optical. In my previous job I had spent quite a lot of time pounding these disks; mostly the 600MB 5.25" variety, but also some of the larger units. I would expect that the smaller 3.5" units are comparable, but I haven't had much exposure to them. We were using Ricoh and Sony mechanisms close to 10 years old, with disks as old or older. They're incredibly robust provided you keep them clean. Cleaning them isn't too hard either, as long as you do it properly. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 14:25:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25831 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:25:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25801 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:25:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id XAA07856 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:25:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (VMailer, from userid 101) id B67781458; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:24:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:24:07 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: "FreeBSD Current Users' list" Subject: Re: Funny bug with VESA mode under syscons Message-ID: <19981007232407.A3989@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Current Users' list References: <19981006212313.A27269@keltia.freenix.fr> <199810070319.MAA16554@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> <19981007080115.A647@keltia.freenix.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.4i In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3Cxzpu31ge64i=2Efsf=40hindarfjell=2Eifi=2Euio=2Eno=3E=3B?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_from_Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav__on_Wed=2C_Oct_07=2C_199?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?8_at_05:36:29PM_+0200?= X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-BETA/ELF ctm#4704 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav : > Staircase effect. Probably a buggy BIOS. Should we try to work around > it in syscons? Is syscons really using the BIOS for these modes ? If yes, that's probably a bug in it I agree. I now run X on tara so it is not a big problem... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-BETA #2: Sat Oct 3 11:34:55 CEST 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 14:44:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29172 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:44:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA29150 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:44:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 26683 invoked by uid 1001); 7 Oct 1998 21:44:20 +0000 (GMT) To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: What kind of SCSI controller is in a Compaq Proliant 3000? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 23:44:20 +0200 Message-ID: <26681.907796660@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just got my hands on a nice shiny new Compaq Proliant 3000 server (yes, I know Compaqs are weird in some ways, but this is beyond my control). I'd like to install FreeBSD on it, but the problem is that no SCSI disk controller is detected (and thus no SCSI disks) by the 3.0 boot disk. The standard Proliant 3000 config: http://www.compaq.com/products/servers/proliant3000/index.html mentions a dual channel wide-ultra SCSI-3 controller, and this is indeed what the BIOS claims it has. I thought it might be an Adaptec (with a different PCI Chip ID). Will try to have a look at the actual controller tomorrow. Meanwhile, does anybody know kind of beast this SCSI controller is? Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 14:55:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01424 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:55:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01410; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:55:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02835; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:00:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810072200.PAA02835@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: sthaug@nethelp.no cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What kind of SCSI controller is in a Compaq Proliant 3000? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 23:44:20 +0200." <26681.907796660@verdi.nethelp.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:00:39 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Just got my hands on a nice shiny new Compaq Proliant 3000 server (yes, > I know Compaqs are weird in some ways, but this is beyond my control). > I'd like to install FreeBSD on it, but the problem is that no SCSI disk > controller is detected (and thus no SCSI disks) by the 3.0 boot disk. > The standard Proliant 3000 config: > > http://www.compaq.com/products/servers/proliant3000/index.html > > mentions a dual channel wide-ultra SCSI-3 controller, and this is indeed > what the BIOS claims it has. > > I thought it might be an Adaptec (with a different PCI Chip ID). Will try > to have a look at the actual controller tomorrow. Meanwhile, does anybody > know kind of beast this SCSI controller is? No, but the device ID's will be printed if you boot with '-v', and that will give us an excellent start on working out what it is. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 14:56:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01752 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:56:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sage1.sagecorp.com ([204.250.198.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01730 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:56:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djw@sage1.sagecorp.com) Received: from localhost (djw@localhost) by sage1.sagecorp.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA26147 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:03:14 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:03:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Darren Whittaker To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: problem in 3.0 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We have found a problem with popen. The first popen is executed just fine with a good pclose. The second popen appears to work (though nothing happens) and the pclose returns a 138. This also applies to the system call. The first one works but any after sustem call after the first one fails. We even forked the process but in the child only the first popen work. Now our program is running as a cgi under Apache and works on your 2.x versions just fine. ------------------ Darren Whittaker Senior Software Engineer Small Enterprise Group Open Market, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 15:23:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09085 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:23:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [207.170.17.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09067 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:23:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29308 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:22:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) id RAA25990; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:22:24 -0500 Message-ID: <19981007172223.10809@right.PCS> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:22:23 -0500 From: Jonathan Lemon To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: make world broken Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG cc -O -pipe -Wall -DLIBC_SCCS -I/usr/src/lib/libutil -I/usr/src/lib/libutil/../. ./sys -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/libutil/property.c -o property.o In file included from /usr/src/lib/libutil/property.c:36: /usr/src/lib/libutil/libutil.h:59: parse error before `pid_t' /usr/src/lib/libutil/libutil.h:60: parse error before `uid_t' *** Error code 1 Stop. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 15:54:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14132 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:54:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (sf3-15.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.84.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14077 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:53:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA00273 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:55:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:55:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: current Subject: Odd crash. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I was rebuilding X, and downloading, today, my hdd disk light lit up completely solid. The system was rather responsive, except anything that required disk access was frozen solid. Eventually, I got a nice constant beeping, but was able to get into the debugger (and from there nowhere after I copied the trace I got). And files were still left in lost+found ond da0. acquire_lok softdep_deallocate_dependency brelse biodone dadone camisr swi_cambio doreti_swi ahc0: rev 0x00 int a irq 15 on pci0.11.0 changing root device to da0s1a da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device da1: 10.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 8) da1: 699MB (1431760 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 699C) da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device da0: 20.0MB/s transfers (20.0MHz, offset 15), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 3067MB (6281856 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 391C) ffs_mountfs: superblock updated (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): tagged openings now 15 /dev/da0s1a on / (local, soft-updates, writes: sync 80 async 584) /dev/da1s1e on /mnt/usr2 (local, soft-updates, writes: sync 2 async 2) FreeBSD zippy.dyn.ml.org 3.0-BETA FreeBSD 3.0-BETA #0: Sun Oct 4 11:43:45 PDT 1998 alex@zippy.dyn.ml.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/ZIPPY-SOFT i386 - alex | "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern | | technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." | | Powered by FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 16:09:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18475 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:09:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zone.syracuse.net (zone.syracuse.net [205.232.47.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18427 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:09:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@zone.syracuse.net) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by zone.syracuse.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA10968; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:06:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Feldman To: Doug Rabson cc: Brian Feldman , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I meant, how does it _look_, because it seems to work just fine, despite lower-level kldload things not working. such as, green_Saver kldloading will cause a trap 12 in IP 0xf012929d, lookup_symbol I believe. No working panics, so no good debugging :( Lemme guess, you can't panic on a DDB trap? Cheers, Brian Feldman On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Brian Feldman wrote: > > > How does this work, as a translation of elf_machdep.c from alpha, to i386? > > > > Note: kldload still doesn't work right..... > > It looks reasonable at first inspection. You can use 'objdump --reloc' to > list the types of relocation in the object you are trying to load. The > easiest way to debug this stuff is to put a breakpoint in elf_reloc and > simply examine each one. For a small test module, there won't be very > many. > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 > Fax: +44 181 381 1039 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 16:15:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19170 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:15:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19150 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:15:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (brian@woof.lan.awfulhak.org [172.16.0.7]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA23106; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:51:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woof.lan.awfulhak.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA01091; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:36:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@woof.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199810071336.OAA01091@woof.lan.awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Kris Kennaway cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Improper sharing of modem bandwidth In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 01:31:46 +0930." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 14:36:02 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Recently I've noticed my system behaving differently during downloads; when I > initiate a file download it tends to consume all available modem bandwidth, to > the exclusion of all other things like open telnet sessions. Once the download > has started, my telnet sessions will usually freeze (during a download of a > 1.5MB file just then over my 14.4k modem I didnt get a single character back > from one of my telnets open for more than 10 minutes, and another one was > giving me huge delays (a minute or more, to a host which is ~400ms away under > normal usage). I could also not manage to talk to the DNS (the modem dialin > server) to initiate any new connections during the download; the requests were > timing out. > > Until recently, I was not experiencing anywhere near this kind of lag during a > single file transfer. The only change in this area lately was a ``fix'' that stops ppp from reading too many packets from the tun device - in case it ends up not being able to send them anywhere. Without this fix, it was possible to feed ppp packets 'till it explodes (ever seen those experiments with the ``full'' sensor in a flys stomach ?). Ppp now stops reading packets from the tun device when it's got 20 buffered packets (this number is dynamic in multilink mode) and won't read any more 'till one of two things happen; either a packet is successfully sent somewhere, or the ``choked timer'' expires. The ``choked timer'' defaults to 2 minutes. Once ppp has read a packet, anything that's considered interactive will skip ahead of non-interactive packets - thus prioritising interactive traffic. I know very little about tcp I would think that some protocols such as rcp that take full advantage of TCP sliding windows would have a harmful effect on the interactive traffic where it didn't previously. If they queue up (say) 50 packets before waiting for an ACK, ppp will read 20 and start sending the first. When a telnet (or whatever) session tries to send a packet, it sits behind the 30 packets that are still queued in the tun device, and will only get into ppp 30 packets later - it will then skip to the head of the queue and get sent immediately.... but you've already waited a long time at this point. If you're interested, you could try doing a ``s/20/100/'' in bundle.c in src/usr.sbin/ppp and rebuilding & installing ppp. Perhaps the ``20'' is a bit light. Opinions ? [.....] > Kris -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 16:39:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23295 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:39:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23286 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:39:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (sji-ca3-63.ix.netcom.com [209.109.233.63]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19523; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.6.9) id QAA11608; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810072338.QAA11608@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> To: mike@smith.net.au CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199810071347.GAA03046@dingo.cdrom.com> (message from Mike Smith on Wed, 07 Oct 1998 06:47:11 -0700) Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Guys, thanks for the pointers to various projects and products. I've saved them all and will post it here if I find something interesting. * You want to discover that CDROM drives have a similar MTBF under * constant use? They'd slower, have lower data density, and if anything, * will fail more rapidly. Eek. * I've played with it off and on. You really don't want to do it for a * production environment unless you never touch the system disk in normal * operation. Well, the system disk doesn't hold much more than just basic system utilities. In our case, /, /usr and /usr/local which contains apache and gridpix servers. * The basic issue is that you still need some writable storage, and as * long as that's local, you still have local disks. We do have a lot of local disks. We just don't want to boot from SCSI disks. :) * > (Incidentally, nologin seems to belong to /var/run in all senses of the * > word; does anyone know why it's in /etc at all?) * * Hysterical raisins. I take it that nobody will object if I move it to /var/run? * You have a reliability problem that you need to address. To start * with, you need to work out whether the problem is actually inherent in * the disks you're using, or whether it's environmental. I believe it's environmental. Most of the failures we've seen are to internal disks, not necessarily of the same brand (even some SCSI disks). The machine room is kept cool year-round but there isn't much air flow inside PCs I guess. * Then you need to follow through; if its environmental (eg. heat, * humidity, etc.), fix it. If it really is the disks, consider using * better disks. Plenty of systems up 24/7 have disks 5 years old or more. * Consider using removable disk sleds and keeping some spares around. It is kind of hard to fix without getting new PC cases. I'd like our solution to be generic as possible too. * Dumping disks and going with CDROMs isn't going to help you * reliability-wise at all, and it'll hurt you in lots of other ways. It seems the knocks on CD-ROM drives are that they are not meant for heavy use and could fail if subjected to continuous start/stops. Maybe it will work better if I go with an MFS root and copy regularly used stuff onto it, making the CD-ROM used only for rarely-used commands. Actually, given that the working set of binaries is very small, wouldn't they be in the cache anyway? Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 16:44:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24335 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:44:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24328 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:44:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfieber@fallout.campusview.indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA14675 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:44:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:44:08 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: repeated modload/unload and the linux emulator Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In hacking away on the linux emulator, I've been modunloading and loading it a bazillion times. After awhile I start getting this message when loading it: Could not install ELF interpreter entry It doesn't appear to have any ill effects, but an indicator that something is slightly amiss. -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 16:45:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24435 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:45:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nu.binary.net (nu.binary.net [12.13.120.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24426 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:45:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yura@matrix.binary.net) Received: from matrix.binary.net (yura@matrix.binary.net [12.13.120.2]) by nu.binary.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA15820; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:45:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from yura@localhost) by matrix.binary.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id SAA27850; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:45:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19981007184511.A27233@binary.net> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:45:11 -0500 From: Yura Socolov To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk Reply-To: yura@binary.net References: <199810072107.OAA02528@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199810072107.OAA02528@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 02:07:48PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 02:07:48PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > Magneto-optical. In my previous job I had spent quite a lot of time > pounding these disks; mostly the 600MB 5.25" variety, but also some of The problem here would be that a cheap hard drive, which will do just fine for a network workstation, would cost a lot less than a fancy MO drive, that probably will also need a SCSI card, expensive media, etc, etc... -- yu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 16:45:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24463 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:45:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24453 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:45:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (sji-ca3-63.ix.netcom.com [209.109.233.63]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19533; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.6.9) id QAA11625; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810072345.QAA11625@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> To: karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199810071056.MAA11769@ocean.campus.luth.se> (message from Mikael Karpberg on Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:56:42 +0200 (CEST)) Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * From: Mikael Karpberg * Why not Simply make your rc.conf set the hostname to: `cat /var/hostname` I want the machines to boot up correctly the first time with only the CD-ROM. As I mentioned in the previous mail, all that is required to add another machine to the cluster is to hook it up, stick in the CD-ROM and boot. * Well... Moving /etc/nologin seems like a perfectly sane thing to do, except * for hysterical reasons. I see no reason to move anything else, however. * Just have the CDROM set hostname to /var/hostname and make /etc/motd a symlink * to /var/motd, or such. If you need some file to change, just make it a symlink * on the CD, and make the system go to /var/ that way instead of changing * the scripts. Or am I missing something? Actually the only things I was thinking about moving were nologin and motd. Both don't seem to belong to /etc (at least the writable part). (Basically, I find the idea of a system script writing something to /etc somewhat offensive. :) Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 16:56:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26712 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:56:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26679; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:56:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA03821; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:56:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:56:25 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: sthaug@nethelp.no, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What kind of SCSI controller is in a Compaq Proliant 3000? Message-ID: <19981007185625.A3740@emsphone.com> References: <26681.907796660@verdi.nethelp.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.3i In-Reply-To: <26681.907796660@verdi.nethelp.no>; from "sthaug@nethelp.no" on Wed Oct 7 23:44:20 GMT 1998 X-OS: FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the last episode (Oct 07), sthaug@nethelp.no said: > Just got my hands on a nice shiny new Compaq Proliant 3000 server (yes, > I know Compaqs are weird in some ways, but this is beyond my control). > I'd like to install FreeBSD on it, but the problem is that no SCSI disk > controller is detected (and thus no SCSI disks) by the 3.0 boot disk. > The standard Proliant 3000 config: > > http://www.compaq.com/products/servers/proliant3000/index.html > > mentions a dual channel wide-ultra SCSI-3 controller, and this is indeed > what the BIOS claims it has. I believe all of the Compaq SCSI adaptors (except possible the RAID ones) are Symbios/NCR chipsets. At least out Proliant 2500 is, and there is just one Compaq SCSI HAM driver for Netware, so it must cover all the Compaq cards. -Dan Nelson dnelson@emsphone.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 19:32:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA23042 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:32:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA23035 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:32:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA20215; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:02:14 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199810071600.JAA27226@whistle.com> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:02:13 +0930 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Doug Ambrisko Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 07-Oct-98 Doug Ambrisko wrote: > Maybe you where thinking of me. For manufacturing purposes we made a > bootable CDROM. It mounts the CD as the root file system. I modified > /etc/rc to fdisk/disklabel/newfs the IDE disk drive and then copy > /var on to the IDE disk drive. Then mount it as /var and boot to > multi-user. We actually copy some more stuff to to IDE drive for > loading system since CD-ROM are not a good random access media. > Even the fast ones are slow as shown by doing a login until it gets > cached in ram. The floppy is useful to configure the image (just set > the BIOS to boot the CD). Hmm.. no, but the other guy I was thinking of would probably have wished he knew you before he tried it =) I think he was going for something much simpler tho (ie just mount the CD as root and fake /var using MFS I think) --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 19:33:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA23216 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:33:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net ([207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA23176 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:33:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA22945; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:33:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from harkol-108.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.64.236) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma022943; Wed Oct 7 21:33:11 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981007212100.00fe2564@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 21:21:00 -0500 To: "John Sydney Yamane" , From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: HTML formatted mail (whoops) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19981007083009.00719f94@207.227.119.2> References: <000701bdf1ef$55542ea0$0c25d5d1@dakine.hawaiian.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 08:30 AM 10/7/98 -0500, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: Pardon my static. This should have NEVER hit the list. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 19:36:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA23691 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:36:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA23616; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:35:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA26077; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:18:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd026010; Wed Oct 7 19:18:28 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA01141; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:18:24 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810080218.TAA01141@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: What kind of SCSI controller is in a Compaq Proliant 3000? To: dnelson@emsphone.com (Dan Nelson) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:18:23 +0000 (GMT) Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19981007185625.A3740@emsphone.com> from "Dan Nelson" at Oct 7, 98 06:56:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Just got my hands on a nice shiny new Compaq Proliant 3000 server (yes, > > I know Compaqs are weird in some ways, but this is beyond my control). > > I'd like to install FreeBSD on it, but the problem is that no SCSI disk > > controller is detected (and thus no SCSI disks) by the 3.0 boot disk. > > The standard Proliant 3000 config: > > > > http://www.compaq.com/products/servers/proliant3000/index.html > > > > mentions a dual channel wide-ultra SCSI-3 controller, and this is indeed > > what the BIOS claims it has. > > I believe all of the Compaq SCSI adaptors (except possible the RAID > ones) are Symbios/NCR chipsets. At least out Proliant 2500 is, and > there is just one Compaq SCSI HAM driver for Netware, so it must cover > all the Compaq cards. If this is the RAID controller, a driver was written, but not integrated into -current. Check the list archives for "compaq RAID". Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 19:38:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA24218 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:38:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA24154; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:37:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA19785; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:20:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd019762; Wed Oct 7 19:20:22 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA01264; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:20:20 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810080220.TAA01264@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:20:19 +0000 (GMT) Cc: karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810072345.QAA11625@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> from "Satoshi Asami" at Oct 7, 98 04:45:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > * Why not Simply make your rc.conf set the hostname to: `cat /var/hostname` > > I want the machines to boot up correctly the first time with only the > CD-ROM. As I mentioned in the previous mail, all that is required to > add another machine to the cluster is to hook it up, stick in the > CD-ROM and boot. A good objective. BTW, inre: your question about other systems that boot from CDROM: BeOS for the PowerMac boots from CDROM. So do all Compaq machines that support the "JumpStart(tm)" OS installation disks. Ultrix and VMS for various machines can also boot off a CDROM, and I would be surprised if DEC UNIX didn't keep this feature, moving forward. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 20:27:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA03867 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:27:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from danberlin.resnet.rochester.edu (danberlin.resnet.rochester.edu [128.151.84.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA03846; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:27:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@danberlin.resnet.rochester.edu) Received: from danberlin.resnet.rochester.edu (root@danberlin.resnet.rochester.edu [128.151.84.217]) by danberlin.resnet.rochester.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA13246; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:21:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:21:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Berlin To: Dan Nelson cc: sthaug@nethelp.no, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What kind of SCSI controller is in a Compaq Proliant 3000? In-Reply-To: <19981007185625.A3740@emsphone.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG They prolly pulled a Diamond and changed the vendor ID on it. If it's symbios, it's a 876. If it's adaptec, it's a 7895. On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Oct 07), sthaug@nethelp.no said: > > Just got my hands on a nice shiny new Compaq Proliant 3000 server (yes, > > I know Compaqs are weird in some ways, but this is beyond my control). > > I'd like to install FreeBSD on it, but the problem is that no SCSI disk > > controller is detected (and thus no SCSI disks) by the 3.0 boot disk. > > The standard Proliant 3000 config: > > > > http://www.compaq.com/products/servers/proliant3000/index.html > > > > mentions a dual channel wide-ultra SCSI-3 controller, and this is indeed > > what the BIOS claims it has. > > I believe all of the Compaq SCSI adaptors (except possible the RAID > ones) are Symbios/NCR chipsets. At least out Proliant 2500 is, and > there is just one Compaq SCSI HAM driver for Netware, so it must cover > all the Compaq cards. > > -Dan Nelson > dnelson@emsphone.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 21:29:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA13750 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:29:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA13742; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:29:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shmit@natasya.noc.erols.net) Received: from natasya.noc.erols.net (natasya.noc.erols.net [207.172.25.236]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA20198; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from shmit@localhost) by natasya.noc.erols.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA09435; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981008002929.H529@kublai.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:29:29 -0400 From: Brian Cully To: Terry Lambert , Satoshi Asami Cc: karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk Reply-To: shmit@kublai.com References: <199810072345.QAA11625@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <199810080220.TAA01264@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199810080220.TAA01264@usr08.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 02:20:19AM +0000 X-Sender: If your mailer pays attention to this, it's broken. X-PGP-Info: finger shmit@kublai.com for my public key. Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 02:20:19AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > BeOS for the PowerMac boots from CDROM. Yeah, but it just brings up an installer (at least that's what it does on my BeBox, I suppose the PowerMacs might be different). It should probably be fairly trivial to make the FreeBSD CDROM accomplish the same thing. The trick would be using the CDROM as your filesystem. -- Brian Cully ``And when one of our comrades was taken prisoner, blindfolded, hung upside-down, shot, and burned, we thought to ourselves, `These are the best experiences of our lives''' -Pathology (Joe Frank, Somewhere Out There) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 21:45:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16420 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:45:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA16406 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:45:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zR7xL-0004W7-00; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:45:39 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA10909; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:45:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199810080445.WAA10909@harmony.village.org> To: Karl Pielorz Subject: Re: Problem mounting CD jukebox under CAM? Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:53:40 BST." References: Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:45:17 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Karl Pielorz writes: : I've just put another cd-rom in one of my slow-but trust Nakamichi CD-ROM : jukeboxes... : caladan> mount -t cd9660 /dev/cd4a /jukebox/deep : cd9660: Invalid argument Mine works just fine. At a guess I'd say that the cd is having problems reading in the label of the cdrom, or you are trying to mount, say, a Sun ufs cdrom or a VMS files-11 volume. This does point out a small bogon in the return codes for the mount operation. When I try to mount a cd slot that has no cd on it, I get Device not configured, rather than Input/output error. Not a huge deal, but a change none the less. The device is configured, just not usable right now. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 21:49:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16910 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:49:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA16879; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:48:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zR80D-0004WB-00; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:48:37 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA10928; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:48:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199810080448.WAA10928@harmony.village.org> To: Daniel Berlin Subject: Re: What kind of SCSI controller is in a Compaq Proliant 3000? Cc: Dan Nelson , sthaug@nethelp.no, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 23:21:00 EDT." References: Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:48:15 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Daniel Berlin writes: : If it's symbios, it's a 876. : If it's adaptec, it's a 7895. Then it is either a 876 or something else since CAM groks the aic-7895 chip. Or compaq somehow jimmied the vendor ID on it... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 22:04:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA19393 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:04:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA18693 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:59:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA23548; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:59:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Terry Lambert cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 Oct 1998 02:20:19 -0000." <199810080220.TAA01264@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 00:59:13 -0400 Message-ID: <23544.907822753@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote in message ID <199810080220.TAA01264@usr08.primenet.com>: > BeOS for the PowerMac boots from CDROM. So do all Compaq machines > that support the "JumpStart(tm)" OS installation disks. Is that the same ''JumpStart(TM)'' that SMI uses with Solaris? :) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 22:25:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA21729 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:25:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles134.castles.com [208.214.165.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA21720 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:25:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA01135; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:30:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810080530.WAA01135@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Darren Whittaker cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problem in 3.0 In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 16:03:13 MDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:30:47 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > We have found a problem with popen. The first popen is executed just fine > with a good pclose. The second popen appears to work (though nothing > happens) and the pclose returns a 138. This also applies to the system > call. The first one works but any after sustem call after the first > one fails. We even forked the process but in the child only the first > popen work. I'm not sure that I can follow your problem here. Have you reduced the program to its simplest form, eg: dingo:/tmp>cat p.c #include #include void main(void) { int i, j; char buf[256]; FILE *p; for (i = 0; i < 10; i++) { if ((p = popen("/bin/date", "r")) == NULL) err(1, "popen"); fgets(buf, sizeof(buf) - 1, p); printf(buf); if ((j = pclose(p)) != 0) errx(1, "pclose %d", j); } } dingo:/tmp>gcc -o p p.c dingo:/tmp>./p Wed Oct 7 22:28:04 PDT 1998 Wed Oct 7 22:28:04 PDT 1998 Wed Oct 7 22:28:04 PDT 1998 Wed Oct 7 22:28:04 PDT 1998 Wed Oct 7 22:28:04 PDT 1998 Wed Oct 7 22:28:04 PDT 1998 Wed Oct 7 22:28:04 PDT 1998 Wed Oct 7 22:28:04 PDT 1998 Wed Oct 7 22:28:04 PDT 1998 Wed Oct 7 22:28:04 PDT 1998 dingo:/tmp>uname -a FreeBSD dingo.cdrom.com 3.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #2: Wed Sep 16 16:38:28 PDT 1998 mike@dingo.cdrom.com:/local0/src/sys/compile/DINGO i386 What do you mean by "this also applies to the system call"? Which system call? > Now our program is running as a cgi under Apache and works on your 2.x > versions just fine. I'm afraid you're going to have to supply some more detail before we can help you further here. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 22:44:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA24165 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:44:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles134.castles.com [208.214.165.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24156; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:44:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA01315; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:49:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810080549.WAA01315@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 16:38:39 PDT." <199810072338.QAA11608@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:49:35 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Guys, thanks for the pointers to various projects and products. I've > saved them all and will post it here if I find something interesting. > > * You want to discover that CDROM drives have a similar MTBF under > * constant use? They'd slower, have lower data density, and if anything, > * will fail more rapidly. > > Eek. Exactly. Killing one in two days as reported by another poster surprised me a bit too, but it's not unrealistic. > * I've played with it off and on. You really don't want to do it for a > * production environment unless you never touch the system disk in normal > * operation. > > Well, the system disk doesn't hold much more than just basic system > utilities. In our case, /, /usr and /usr/local which contains apache > and gridpix servers. What's the minimal system binary footprint? How much memory do you have in the machines? > * The basic issue is that you still need some writable storage, and as > * long as that's local, you still have local disks. > > We do have a lot of local disks. We just don't want to boot from SCSI > disks. :) Because they're all ccd'd together? How often do you reboot the systems? Do you swap to the SCSI disks? > * > (Incidentally, nologin seems to belong to /var/run in all senses of the > * > word; does anyone know why it's in /etc at all?) > * > * Hysterical raisins. > > I take it that nobody will object if I move it to /var/run? Only everyone that expects it to be in /etc, along with everyones' scripts and all the ports (eg. sshd). > * You have a reliability problem that you need to address. To start > * with, you need to work out whether the problem is actually inherent in > * the disks you're using, or whether it's environmental. > > I believe it's environmental. Most of the failures we've seen are to > internal disks, not necessarily of the same brand (even some SCSI > disks). The machine room is kept cool year-round but there isn't much > air flow inside PCs I guess. Have you checked the disks for overheating? Tried sending one or more to a data-recovery shop that claims to be able to pronounce on the cause of death? > * Then you need to follow through; if its environmental (eg. heat, > * humidity, etc.), fix it. If it really is the disks, consider using > * better disks. Plenty of systems up 24/7 have disks 5 years old or more. > * Consider using removable disk sleds and keeping some spares around. > > It is kind of hard to fix without getting new PC cases. I'd like our > solution to be generic as possible too. If your current environment kills disks, you need to fix it or remove all your disks. Focus on solving the problem. 8) > * Dumping disks and going with CDROMs isn't going to help you > * reliability-wise at all, and it'll hurt you in lots of other ways. > > It seems the knocks on CD-ROM drives are that they are not meant for > heavy use and could fail if subjected to continuous start/stops. > Maybe it will work better if I go with an MFS root and copy regularly > used stuff onto it, making the CD-ROM used only for rarely-used > commands. Actually, given that the working set of binaries is very > small, wouldn't they be in the cache anyway? You'd still get disk accesses. You could go with an MFS_ROOT kernel on a bootable CDROM, make the MFS_ROOT filesystem adequately large, mount the CDROM, copy the system off it, unmount it. You'd still have to stash your local configs somewhere. This would limit CDROM access to once per boot, which would give you a much better life expectancy. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 22:58:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA26375 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:58:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA26284 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:58:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA25753; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:57:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:57:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Warner Losh , Brian Tao , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: what is the difference between aout & elf In-Reply-To: <19673.907700924@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > [cough cough] > > > > Ahem.... I thought the FAQ was my duty. You'll never know it since I > > don't want -questions in my personal email box, so all the pointers go to > > faq@freebsd.org. faq@freebsd.org gets enough misdirected mail as it is. > > :) > > Well, I haven't seen anything actually happen with it for several > months, and I know for a fact that there's quite a bit of old cruft in > there, so I just assumed you'd become another in our long line of > spinal tap drummer-style FAQ maintainers. :-) What cruft? I went through there a couple of months ago and fixed a bunch of duplicate references plus added some new bits. If there's cruft that needs bashing, *please* let me know!! Even though I read the important FreeBSD lists, bits do fall through. I can't hop through the FAQ daily and make changes; two little things called school and work interfere with that. :) Doug White Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 23:04:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27518 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:04:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA27435; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:04:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA24191; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:48:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: shmit@kublai.com cc: Terry Lambert , Satoshi Asami , karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 Oct 1998 00:29:29 EDT." <19981008002929.H529@kublai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 01:48:04 -0400 Message-ID: <24187.907825684@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brian Cully wrote in message ID <19981008002929.H529@kublai.com>: > Yeah, but it just brings up an installer (at least that's what it > does on my BeBox, I suppose the PowerMacs might be different). It > should probably be fairly trivial to make the FreeBSD CDROM accomplish > the same thing. > > The trick would be using the CDROM as your filesystem. When was the last time you put a FreeBSD CDROM into a drive with a controller which supported the PC bootable-CD extensions Brian? :) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 23:04:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27675 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:04:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (sf3-51.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.84.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA27653 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:04:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA01916; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:06:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:05:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: Mike Smith cc: Darren Whittaker , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problem in 3.0 In-Reply-To: <199810080530.WAA01135@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Mike Smith wrote: [...] > I'm afraid you're going to have to supply some more detail before we > can help you further here. #include int main() { for (;;) { pclose(popen("/usr/sbin/pstat -sk", "r")); } } Compile and run this. Watch top on another pty as this is running. Unless my understanding of popen is flawed, this shouldn't continue to grab more and more memory. - alex | "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern | | technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." | | Powered by FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 23:09:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA28510 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:09:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles134.castles.com [208.214.165.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA28505 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:09:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01484; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:14:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810080614.XAA01484@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Alex cc: Mike Smith , Darren Whittaker , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problem in 3.0 In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 23:05:59 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 23:14:19 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > [...] > > I'm afraid you're going to have to supply some more detail before we > > can help you further here. > > #include > > int main() > { > for (;;) { > pclose(popen("/usr/sbin/pstat -sk", "r")); > } > } > > Compile and run this. Watch top on another pty as this is running. Unless > my understanding of popen is flawed, this shouldn't continue to grab more > and more memory. We're aware of this leak; it has to do with popen using vfork and the address space sharing semantics that come with it. This isn't the problem that's being reported though. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 23:12:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA29333 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:12:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (sf3-51.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.84.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA29327 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:12:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA02103; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:14:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:14:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: Mike Smith cc: Darren Whittaker , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problem in 3.0 In-Reply-To: <199810080614.XAA01484@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > We're aware of this leak; it has to do with popen using vfork and the > address space sharing semantics that come with it. > > This isn't the problem that's being reported though. Damn, and I just put my pointy hat in storage ;) - alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 23:30:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02743 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:30:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA02735 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:30:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA02825 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:30:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:30:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: BTX + floppy = confusion Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Here's one for the BTX hackers: I have a Phoenix BIOS'd P90 at work running 3.0-981004-BETA with one IDE disk and three SCSI disks. System is on the IDE disk. The BIOS won't boot the disk directly (the fdisk table is probaly misgenerated, libdisk's fault probably; it's the same box that reported the odd sysinstall/newfs problems I reported earlier). Normally I use a boot floppy wired to boot wd(0,a)/kernel (like it helps, the machine won't reboot itself anyway). I think the disk I was using was the -BETA install floppy. For fun and games, I built an ELF kernel and built the BTX loader and stuck it in /boot as directed. I then booted from the floppy and told it to load wd(0,a)/boot/loader Up pops the minikernel... good so far .. then it complains that it couldn't identify the boot disk. I hit a key to get the prompt, and get dumped to disk0a:> (There's a comment in the btx loader code near the check that explains the situation exactly, it starts with 'If we are booted by an old bootstrap, we have to guess at the BIOS unit number.' Is there a new boot1/boot2 I should feed to my floppy?) Now the wacky stuff. 1. Okay, no problem, I think. I type boot disk1a:/kernel System starts, tries to mount root from fd0a and panics. 2. After looking at the loader source and discovering the 'show' command I try to change currdev and loaddev. I can change currdev using 'set currdev=disk1a:' but trying to change loaddev gives 'operation not permitted'. Hm, ok, I try starting the kernel with boot /kernel System boots, and I get dumped to single user complainig that 'mount: /dev/wd0s1a: current device does not match mounted device.' I'm stuck in a hole here since I can't convince the system that /dev/wd0a == /dev/wd0s1a. Okay, guys, go to it. :) Unless someone wants me to preserve the scene of the crime I'm probably going to wipe it clean and install the 1006 BETA tomorrow afternoon (PST) so I can get around this boot floppy silliness. Then off to play with vinum. :) Doug White Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 23:51:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA04885 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:51:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp.hkstar.com (cassiopeia.hkstar.com [202.82.3.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04872 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:51:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from c5666305@b1.hkstar.com) Received: from b1.hkstar.com (b1.hkstar.com [202.82.0.87]) by smtp.hkstar.com (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA16272 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:51:09 +0800 (HKT) Received: (from c5666305@localhost) by b1.hkstar.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13731 for current@freebsd.org; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:53:00 +0800 (HKT) From: Chan Yiu Wah Message-Id: <199810080653.OAA13731@b1.hkstar.com> Subject: How to config PLIP ? To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:52:59 +0800 (HKT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0b1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I just want to config PLIP in make my laptop (3.0-980222-snap) to connect to the local network, but I can't find any man page and even not much detail in the handbook. Can anyone show me the steps to do so ? cheers Clarence To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 23:56:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA05686 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:56:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.scancall.no (www.scancall.no [195.139.183.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA05667 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:56:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no) Received: from super2.langesund.scancall.no [195.139.183.29] by www with smtp id IXUDARUK; Thu, 08 Oct 98 06:56:09 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.04r6) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981008085114.0091f220@mail.scancall.no> X-Sender: Marius@mail.scancall.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 08:51:14 +0200 To: Kevin Day From: Marius Bendiksen Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810071529.KAA02281@home.dragondata.com> References: <199810071347.GAA03046@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Depending on if your delays between seeks are enough time for the drive to >spin down or not are a big factor. (spin down/spin up/seek/read is nasty) How much work would it take to tweak the CDROM driver to wait 5-15 minutes (or, perhaps add an option somewhere, to make it dynamically configurable) before spinning down? I think that would solve some of the problem. Of course, you'd probably need cooling if you're going to have a 32x at full spin all the time. --- Marius Bendiksen, IT-Trainee, ScanCall AS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 7 23:59:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA06185 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:59:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA06174 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:58:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zRA28-0004Zf-00; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:58:44 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id AAA11914 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:58:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199810080658.AAA11914@harmony.village.org> Subject: Re: Problem mounting CD jukebox under CAM? To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:45:17 MDT." <199810080445.WAA10909@harmony.village.org> References: <199810080445.WAA10909@harmony.village.org> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 00:58:23 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199810080445.WAA10909@harmony.village.org> Warner Losh writes: : a VMS files-11 volume. Actually, this should read a ODS-1 volume... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 00:02:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA06954 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:02:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA06933 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:02:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 29130 invoked by uid 1001); 8 Oct 1998 07:02:08 +0000 (GMT) To: mike@smith.net.au Cc: asami@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:49:35 -0700" References: <199810080549.WAA01315@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 09:02:08 +0200 Message-ID: <29128.907830128@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I take it that nobody will object if I move it to /var/run? > > Only everyone that expects it to be in /etc, along with everyones' > scripts and all the ports (eg. sshd). As long as tools like sshd only *check* for /etc/nologin, a symlink to /var/run/nologin would work just fine. Those parts of the system that need to *remove* the nologin file would need to be aware of the symlink, of course. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 00:05:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA07536 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:05:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from home.dragondata.com (home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA07513 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:05:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toasty@home.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by home.dragondata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id CAA10059; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:05:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Kevin Day Message-Id: <199810080705.CAA10059@home.dragondata.com> Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981008085114.0091f220@mail.scancall.no> from Marius Bendiksen at "Oct 8, 98 08:51:14 am" To: Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no (Marius Bendiksen) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:05:05 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >Depending on if your delays between seeks are enough time for the drive to > >spin down or not are a big factor. (spin down/spin up/seek/read is nasty) > > How much work would it take to tweak the CDROM driver to wait 5-15 minutes > (or, perhaps add an option somewhere, to make it dynamically configurable) > before spinning down? I think that would solve some of the problem. > > Of course, you'd probably need cooling if you're going to have a 32x at > full spin all the time. > --- > Marius Bendiksen, IT-Trainee, ScanCall AS > I don't believe that this is possible. The drive's firmware decides when to spin up/down. They spin down after only a few seconds because the drives seem to rip themselves apart under constant use. Heat also gets interesting in fast drives. :) Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 00:08:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08134 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:08:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.scitec.com.au (fgate.scitec.com.au [203.17.180.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA08064 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:08:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john.saunders@scitec.com.au) Received: by firewall.scitec.com.au; id RAA03042; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:08:01 +1000 (EST) Received: from mailhub.scitec.com.au(203.17.180.131) by fgate.scitec.com.au via smap (3.2) id xma003037; Thu, 8 Oct 98 17:07:56 +1000 Received: from saruman (saruman.scitec.com.au [203.17.182.108]) by mailhub.scitec.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA03541 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:07:43 +1000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:07:41 +1000 Message-ID: <01BDF2DE.28DD1180.john.saunders@scitec.com.au> From: John Saunders To: "'freebsd-current@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: CDROM as system disk Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:07:39 +1000 Organization: SCITEC LIMITED X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith [SMTP:mike@smith.net.au] wrote: > > * Then you need to follow through; if its environmental (eg. heat, > > * humidity, etc.), fix it. If it really is the disks, consider using > > * better disks. Plenty of systems up 24/7 have disks 5 years old or more. > > * Consider using removable disk sleds and keeping some spares around. > > > > It is kind of hard to fix without getting new PC cases. I'd like our > > solution to be generic as possible too. > > If your current environment kills disks, you need to fix it or remove > all your disks. Focus on solving the problem. 8) As a totally different solution, how about using NFS booting. You could setup a server box with good quality disks in a good air flow case and NFS boot all of the other boxes. With 100Mbps ethernet you should get reasonable performance. Even 10Mbps should be better than CDROM given the poor seek times, although sustained transfer speed will be less. Matt Dillon at www.backplane.com has info on how to do this. Cheers. -- . +-------------------------------------------------------+ ,--_|\ | John Saunders mailto:John.Saunders@scitec.com.au | / Oz \ | SCITEC LIMITED Phone +61294289563 Fax +61294289933 | \_,--\_/ | "By the time you make ends meet, they move the ends." | v +-------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 00:11:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08819 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:11:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.scancall.no (www.scancall.no [195.139.183.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA08777 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:11:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no) Received: from super2.langesund.scancall.no [195.139.183.29] by www with smtp id IXUHLDUJ; Thu, 08 Oct 98 07:11:02 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.04r6) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981008090607.0092c8c0@mail.scancall.no> X-Sender: Marius@mail.scancall.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 09:06:07 +0200 To: Mike Smith From: Marius Bendiksen Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810080549.WAA01315@dingo.cdrom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Exactly. Killing one in two days as reported by another poster >surprised me a bit too, but it's not unrealistic. There should be some way to do this. As far as I've gathered, this is caused primarily by the spinup/spindown/seek/read sequence. Couldn't we have some kind of option to mount_cd9660 to disable / postpone spindown? >> I take it that nobody will object if I move it to /var/run? >Only everyone that expects it to be in /etc, along with everyones' >scripts and all the ports (eg. sshd). How about adding a /var/run/nologin, while keeping /etc/nologin for some time, to give people time to change their sources? Also, isn't there some way to create a symlink or something which doesn't show up when the target file does not exist? >You'd still get disk accesses. You could go with an MFS_ROOT kernel on >a bootable CDROM, make the MFS_ROOT filesystem adequately large, mount >the CDROM, copy the system off it, unmount it. You'd still have to >stash your local configs somewhere. Alternately, he could fix unionfs and use an MFS root w/cdrom overlay. --- Marius Bendiksen, IT-Trainee, ScanCall AS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 00:57:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14901 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:57:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14874 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:57:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from localhost (kpielorz@localhost) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA07141; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:57:07 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:57:07 +0100 (BST) From: Karl Pielorz To: "Kenneth D. Merry" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem mounting CD jukebox under CAM? In-Reply-To: <199810072103.PAA12775@panzer.plutotech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > > Dmesg output says: > > "cd4 at ahc1 bus 0 target 5 lun 4 > > cd4: Removable CD-ROM SCSI2 device > > cd4: 3.300MB/s transfers" > > When you boot the machine with the CD in question in the drive, what do you > get for the CD's size? (your cut-and-paste above doesn't include that > information..) I didn't have the cd in when I booted, and I can't restart the system at the moment... :( > camcontrol debug -c 1:5:4 > > That will cause all SCSI commands sent to that particular lun to be printed > out on the console. Hmmm... No CAMDEBUG in my kernel, and back to square one (can't restart the system at the moment ;-) Thanks for the info - I'll remember to do it when I restart next! Regards, Karl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 01:03:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA16198 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:03:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles134.castles.com [208.214.165.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA16178 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:03:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA02150; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:08:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810080808.BAA02150@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Marius Bendiksen cc: Kevin Day , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 Oct 1998 08:51:14 +0200." <3.0.5.32.19981008085114.0091f220@mail.scancall.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 01:08:46 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >Depending on if your delays between seeks are enough time for the drive to > >spin down or not are a big factor. (spin down/spin up/seek/read is nasty) > > How much work would it take to tweak the CDROM driver to wait 5-15 minutes > (or, perhaps add an option somewhere, to make it dynamically configurable) > before spinning down? I think that would solve some of the problem. It's determined by the drive, not the driver. None of our drivers spin the CDROM down intentionally. Many drives don't offer any standard way of disabling the spindown; you're basically stuck with it. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 01:11:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA18413 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:11:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA18388 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:11:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA00666; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:40:52 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id RAA01314; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:40:49 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981008174049.N443@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:40:49 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Chan Yiu Wah , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to config PLIP ? References: <199810080653.OAA13731@b1.hkstar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199810080653.OAA13731@b1.hkstar.com>; from Chan Yiu Wah on Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 02:52:59PM +0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 8 October 1998 at 14:52:59 +0800, Chan Yiu Wah wrote: > Hello, > > I just want to config PLIP in make my laptop (3.0-980222-snap) to > connect to the local network, but I can't find any man page It's lp(4). Isn't that obvious? OK, then it isn't. > and even not much detail in the handbook. Can anyone show me the > steps to do so ? You need an IP address at each end. Say, 192.168.217.13 your end, and 192.168.217.143 the other end. Enter: # ifconfig lp0 192.168.217.13 192.168.217.143 That's it! To have it automatically at boot time, put the following in your /etc/rc.conf: network_interfaces="ed1 ed2 ep0 lo0 tun0" The important thing here is that you have lp0 in the list. Don't remove whatever else you have there. ifconfig_lp0="192.168.217.13 192.168.217.143" This line should look familiar from above. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 01:13:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA18929 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:13:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles134.castles.com [208.214.165.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA18908 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:13:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA02213; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:18:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810080818.BAA02213@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Doug White cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BTX + floppy = confusion In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 23:30:39 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 01:18:37 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Here's one for the BTX hackers: > > I have a Phoenix BIOS'd P90 at work running 3.0-981004-BETA with one IDE > disk and three SCSI disks. System is on the IDE disk. The BIOS won't > boot the disk directly (the fdisk table is probaly misgenerated, libdisk's > fault probably; it's the same box that reported the odd sysinstall/newfs > problems I reported earlier). Is this by any chance using a "dangerously dedicated" disk? > Normally I use a boot floppy wired to boot > wd(0,a)/kernel (like it helps, the machine won't reboot itself anyway). > I think the disk I was using was the -BETA install floppy. > > For fun and games, I built an ELF kernel and built the BTX loader and > stuck it in /boot as directed. I then booted from the floppy and told it > to load How recent? > wd(0,a)/boot/loader > > Up pops the minikernel... good so far .. then it complains that > it couldn't identify the boot disk. I hit a key to get the prompt, and > get dumped to > > disk0a:> > > (There's a comment in the btx loader code near the check that explains the > situation exactly, it starts with 'If we are booted by an old bootstrap, > we have to guess at the BIOS unit number.' Is there a new boot1/boot2 I > should feed to my floppy?) You can rebuild the old ones, which now set the BIOS unit number correctly, yes. > Now the wacky stuff. > > 1. Okay, no problem, I think. I type > > boot disk1a:/kernel > > System starts, tries to mount root from fd0a and panics. You've hit a difficult corner case here. You booted the kernel on disk1a, but the current device (which will become the root device unless you have set rootdev) is still disk0a. This is not intuitive if you're used to the old bootstrap. It's an interesting semantic issue. boot is effectively the same as: load boot Should 'boot' assume that you want to take the root filesystem from where you sourced the kernel? How about in the case where you've loaded the kernel and then some other modules; should the root filesystem be the current device (or rootdev) at the end of the process, or should it be where the kernel came from? What if the media from which the kernel came from isn't there anymore? What if the kernel load command was load tftp:/kernel ? Many worms. Small can. > 2. After looking at the loader source and discovering the 'show' command You can type '?' like it prompts you to when it loads... 8) > I try to change currdev and loaddev. I can change currdev using 'set > currdev=disk1a:' but trying to change loaddev gives 'operation not > permitted'. That's right. loaddev is where the bootstrap was loaded from. It lets you say 'load $loaddev/kernel -v' for example. > Hm, ok, I try starting the kernel with > > boot /kernel > > System boots, and I get dumped to single user complainig that 'mount: > /dev/wd0s1a: current device does not match mounted device.' > > I'm stuck in a hole here since I can't convince the system that /dev/wd0a > == /dev/wd0s1a. That's because it doesn't. Depending on how recent your 'loader' is, it looks like my idiot test isn't good enough. It shouldn't let you open diskXa when diskX is sliced. To get the right results, you ought to have set > Okay, guys, go to it. :) Unless someone wants me to preserve the scene of > the crime I'm probably going to wipe it clean and install the 1006 BETA > tomorrow afternoon (PST) so I can get around this boot floppy silliness. No probs; apart from the not-quite-childproof point in the loader, that's about what's to be expected. Thanks for the eval! -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 02:45:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA02005 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:45:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA01989; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:45:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) id CAA28723; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19981008024516.A28636@nuxi.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:45:16 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Satoshi Asami Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199810071347.GAA03046@dingo.cdrom.com> <199810072338.QAA11608@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199810072338.QAA11608@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu>; from Satoshi Asami on Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 04:38:39PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > * You want to discover that CDROM drives have a similar MTBF under > * constant use? They'd slower, have lower data density, and if anything, > * will fail more rapidly. > > Eek. Why not cut your own FreeBSD install CD? This shouldn't be too hard to do since sysinstall is scriptable. When you get a new machine/internal disk replaced, pop in this CD and boot. It would partition the entire disk for FreeBSD, use one of the "standard" partitioning schemes, install your favorite bits. Then eject the cdrom using ``cdcontrol eject''. When you see the CDROM tray open, remove CD and reboot. This special version of FreeBSD would be hacked simular to what you were going to put on the CDROM. It would get as much information about itself dynamically. You could supply ``/etc/Distfile'' and let /etc/daily update things if you like. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 03:05:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA04780 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:05:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA04757 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:05:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA15804; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:05:22 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:05:22 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Brian Feldman cc: Brian Feldman , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Brian Feldman wrote: > I meant, how does it _look_, because it seems to work just fine, despite > lower-level kldload things not working. such as, green_Saver kldloading > will cause a trap 12 in IP 0xf012929d, lookup_symbol I believe. No working > panics, so no good debugging :( Lemme guess, you can't panic on a DDB > trap? Most of the LKMs have not been converted to the new style. I believe that Peter Wemm is working on this right now. You might like to drop him a line. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 04:45:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA17234 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:45:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.seidata.com (ns1.seidata.com [208.10.211.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA17227; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:45:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@seidata.com) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by ns1.seidata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA22257; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:45:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike To: Gary Palmer cc: shmit@kublai.com, Terry Lambert , Satoshi Asami , karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk In-Reply-To: <24187.907825684@gjp.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Gary Palmer wrote: > When was the last time you put a FreeBSD CDROM into a drive with a controller > which supported the PC bootable-CD extensions Brian? :) :) It does seem to work quite well here (for initial boot up). I've never attempted making a CDROM a full-time fs, but it is appealing for things such as bastion hosts and other boxes doing filtering, etc. where having a RO fs with only /var RW (plus logs dumping to serial cable, of course) is desired. Just my $.02, -mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 06:19:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA25254 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:19:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25249 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:19:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (sji-ca32-44.ix.netcom.com [209.109.239.44]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA20249; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.6.9) id GAA14314; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810081318.GAA14314@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> To: sthaug@nethelp.no CC: mike@smith.net.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <29128.907830128@verdi.nethelp.no> (sthaug@nethelp.no) Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * As long as tools like sshd only *check* for /etc/nologin, a symlink to * /var/run/nologin would work just fine. Those parts of the system that * need to *remove* the nologin file would need to be aware of the symlink, * of course. If they use the right defines like ssh does (auth_checknologin(), _PATH_NOLOGIN, etc.), there shouldn't be any problems either way. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 06:29:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26366 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:29:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from enterprise.sanyusan.se (enterprise.sanyusan.se [195.24.160.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA26361 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:29:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from synker@enterprise.sanyusan.se) Received: (from synker@localhost) by enterprise.sanyusan.se (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA11763 for current@freebsd.org; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:29:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from synker) Message-ID: <19981008152946.A10915@sanyusan.se> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:29:46 +0200 From: synker To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: strange error (identd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! Running 3.0-BETA (CAM, ELF, softupdates) cvsup & make world done Oct 5. After browsing my /var/log/messages I found this strange error messages. (Oct 8 10:01:44 enterprise) reported this: identd[2693]: getbuf: bad address (000d0001 not in f0100000-0xFFC00000) - ofile identd[2693]: k_getuid retries: 1 identd[2824]: getbuf: bad address (65641d00 not in f0100000-0xFFC00000) - ofile identd[2824]: k_getuid retries: 1 Running pidentd-2.8.2 ELF. please tell me if you need more information. Best regards, - Anders 'synker' Andersson (synker@sanyusan.se) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 06:43:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA28025 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:43:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from digger1.defence.gov.au (digger1.defence.gov.au [203.5.217.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA28013 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:43:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thyerm@eddie.dsto.defence.gov.au) Received: from exchsa1.dsto.defence.gov.au (exchsa1.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.94]) by digger1.defence.gov.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA11671 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:09:03 +0930 (CST) Received: from eddie.dsto.defence.gov.au ([131.185.75.111]) by exchsa1.dsto.defence.gov.au with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id 4PW4VSF5; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:12:51 +0930 Received: (from thyerm@localhost) by eddie.dsto.defence.gov.au (8.9.1/8.8.5) id XAA01038 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:12:52 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:12:52 +0930 (CST) From: Matthew Thyer Message-Id: <199810081342.XAA01038@eddie.dsto.defence.gov.au> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ? Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As the manual tickadj(8) says: BUGS Fiddling with kernel variables at run time as a part of ordinary opera- tions is a hideous practice which is only necessary to make up for defi- ciencies in the implementation of adjtime(8) in many kernels and/or bro- kenness of the system clock in some vendors' kernels. It would be much better if the kernels were fixed and the tickadj program went away. So, has FreeBSD-CURRENT's kernel been fixed and can tickadj be removed from the base system ? I'm asking because to the uninitiated it is not clear whether tickadj should be used (from reading the manual page) hence its presence in /etc/rc.conf may cause confusion. P.S. I run xntp on 2 of my -CURRENT systems but not on my home machine. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 06:50:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA28805 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:50:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA28796 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:50:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (sji-ca32-44.ix.netcom.com [209.109.239.44]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA20282; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.6.9) id GAA14515; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810081350.GAA14515@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> To: obrien@NUXI.com CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19981008024516.A28636@nuxi.com> (obrien@NUXI.com) Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Why not cut your own FreeBSD install CD? This shouldn't be too hard to * do since sysinstall is scriptable. I'd like the system to function even when the hard drive goes bad. If the filesystem on the hard drive (/var) goes bad, I can presumably make the machine reboot itself and come up with a CD-only system (no writable /var, no swap) if the root is on the CD. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 06:53:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA29368 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:53:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA29353 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:53:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (sji-ca32-44.ix.netcom.com [209.109.239.44]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA20290; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.6.9) id GAA14527; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810081353.GAA14527@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> To: john.saunders@scitec.com.au CC: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <01BDF2DE.28DD1180.john.saunders@scitec.com.au> (message from John Saunders on Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:07:39 +1000) Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * As a totally different solution, how about using NFS booting. That would make the NFS server the single point of failure for the whole cluster. ;) Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 06:55:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA29726 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:55:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhub.scl.ameslab.gov (mailhub.scl.ameslab.gov [147.155.137.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA29680 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:54:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ghelmer@scl.ameslab.gov) Received: from demios.ether.scl.ameslab.gov ([147.155.137.54] helo=demios.scl.ameslab.gov) by mailhub.scl.ameslab.gov with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for freebsd-current@freebsd.org id 0zRGWc-0004bJ-00; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:54:38 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:54:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Guy Helmer To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Kernel backtrace for recurring page fault panic Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I finally have a backtrace for a page fault panic that has been bothering me under -current for months (it only happens when I use cvsup); this kernel was built from current sources on October 2. It appears that there are two page faults, the first occuring in tulip_txput and the second in tsleep. Is this of value to the kernel gurus? Thanks, Guy IdlePTD 2252800 initial pcb at 2022c4 panicstr: page fault panic messages: --- Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0xefd313c8 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0184421 stack pointer = 0x10:0xf01e9da8 frame pointer = 0x10:0xf01e9ddc code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = Idle interrupt mask = net trap number = 12 panic: page fault syncing disks... Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0xb8 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0133c6f stack pointer = 0x10:0xf01e9b10 frame pointer = 0x10:0xf01e9b24 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = Idle interrupt mask = net bio trap number = 12 panic: page fault dumping to dev 30401, offset 131072 dump 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 --- #0 boot (howto=260) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:268 268 dumppcb.pcb_cr3 = rcr3(); (kgdb) where #0 boot (howto=260) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:268 #1 0xf0131f4b in panic (fmt=0xf01b6f8f "page fault") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:430 #2 0xf01b7c6d in trap_fatal (frame=0xf01e9ad4) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:879 #3 0xf01b7700 in trap_pfault (frame=0xf01e9ad4, usermode=0) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:772 #4 0xf01b735f in trap (frame={tf_es = -266797040, tf_ds = -266469360, tf_edi = 0, tf_esi = -237815448, tf_ebp = -266429660, tf_isp = -266429700, tf_ebx = 0, tf_edx = 20, tf_ecx = -199646816, tf_eax = -237815448, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 0, tf_eip = -267174801, tf_cs = 8, tf_eflags = 66118, tf_esp = -237815448, tf_ss = -199646816}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:396 #5 0xf0133c6f in tsleep (ident=0xf1d33968, priority=20, wmesg=0xf014dc7f "getblk", timo=0) at ../../kern/kern_synch.c:382 #6 0xf014dd2d in getblk (vp=0xf419a1a0, blkno=1769552, size=8192, slpflag=0, slptimeo=0) at ../../kern/vfs_bio.c:1437 #7 0xf014c581 in bread (vp=0xf419a1a0, blkno=1769552, size=8192, cred=0x0, bpp=0xf01e9bd4) at ../../kern/vfs_bio.c:281 #8 0xf018d9b0 in ffs_update (vp=0xf4281f20, access=0xf01e9c3c, modify=0xf01e9c3c, waitfor=0) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_inode.c:102 #9 0xf0192409 in ffs_fsync (ap=0xf01e9c78) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_vnops.c:252 #10 0xf01907fb in ffs_sync (mp=0xf0874800, waitfor=2, cred=0xf0830800, p=0xf021aaec) at vnode_if.h:499 ---Type to continue, or q to quit--- #11 0xf0155457 in sync (p=0xf021aaec, uap=0x0) at ../../kern/vfs_syscalls.c:527 #12 0xf0131b22 in boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:201 #13 0xf0131f4b in panic (fmt=0xf01b6f8f "page fault") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:430 #14 0xf01b7c6d in trap_fatal (frame=0xf01e9d6c) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:879 #15 0xf01b7700 in trap_pfault (frame=0xf01e9d6c, usermode=0) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:772 #16 0xf01b735f in trap (frame={tf_es = -262209520, tf_ds = -267124720, tf_edi = 305, tf_esi = 1297040201, tf_ebp = -266428964, tf_isp = -266429036, tf_ebx = 1280254075, tf_edx = 0, tf_ecx = -259831296, tf_eax = 312562, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 0, tf_eip = -266845151, tf_cs = 8, tf_eflags = 66050, tf_esp = -262479872, tf_ss = -262367488}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:396 #17 0xf0184421 in tulip_txput (sc=0xf05ae000, m=0xf05f1d80) at machine/pmap.h:171 #18 0xf0184a09 in tulip_ifstart_one (ifp=0xf05ae018) at ../../pci/if_de.c:4851 #19 0xf0168d9c in ether_output (ifp=0xf05ae018, m0=0xf05c9700, dst=0xf0a7f870, rt0=0xf08d0c00) at ../../net/if_ethersubr.c:388 #20 0xf01760f8 in ip_output (m0=0xf05c9700, opt=0x0, ro=0xf411a6ec, flags=0, imo=0x0) at ../../netinet/ip_output.c:535 #21 0xf017a829 in tcp_output (tp=0xf411a720) at ../../netinet/tcp_output.c:695 #22 0xf017966c in tcp_input (m=0xf05e7200, iphlen=20) at ../../netinet/tcp_input.c:1755 ---Type to continue, or q to quit--- #23 0xf0174b57 in ip_input (m=0xf05e7200) at ../../netinet/ip_input.c:645 #24 0xf0174bbf in ipintr () at ../../netinet/ip_input.c:672 (kgdb) quit guypc:~ (502) exit exit Script done on Thu Oct 8 08:41:26 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 07:01:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01164 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:01:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kersur.net (mail.kersur.net [199.79.199.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01159 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:01:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from druber@mail.kersur.net) Received: from localhost (druber@localhost) by mail.kersur.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA01517 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:01:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Swartzendruber To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: migration from 2.2.7-STABLE to 3.0? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've re-cvsupped everything and I think I know how to upgrade the system the sources live on. I just want to make sure there's no gotchas with upgrading a remote client vis-a-vis the aout->elf stuff. e.g. what I have been doing in the past is cvsupping to pick up new changes, doing make buildworld on the source server and make installworld on a (less critical) client to make sure everything works okay. Then, I upgrade everything else. Will this work with the stable -> current? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 07:08:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA02634 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:08:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.webwizard.net.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02616 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:08:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Received: from webwizard.org.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by dns.webwizard.net.mx (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA01756 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:01:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Message-ID: <361CC5CB.B3FD41AF@webwizard.org.mx> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 09:01:47 -0500 From: Edwin Culp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: This mornings make world Current/ELF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG cvsuped at 6:45 CDT. ===> libexec/getty cc -O -pipe -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/libexec/getty/m ain.c /usr/src/libexec/getty/main.c:140: conflicting types for `puts' /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/stdio.h:231: previous declaration of `puts' *** Error code 1 Stop. Thanks ed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 08:03:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12049 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:03:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA12027 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:03:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA00313 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:04:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:04:41 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: how to use pine and -current Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG when deleting more than 20 pieces of mail over an NFS mounted mail file using PINE the suggested method of doing this is: 1) start up another xterm 2) run sync 3) delete mail why? well whatever is causing lockups (2 monday, one last night and one just a few minutes ago, and numerous one last week) is still around after lockup you can ping the machine fine, you can telnet in however all that happens is the connection is made but no repsonce is given. i'm going to tote another computer in here somehow with a null modem cable and get a back trace, or something. btw, this problem seems to have started about the time of Bill Paul's last commits to the xl0 driver, but i'm not sure. funny how i can ping, but nothing else. this is on a kernel as of cvsup about 1 hour ago 10am EST, but it's been a problem for the last 2 weeks for me. again, sorry about no backtrace it's just that this is my work machine, and i don't have time to play doctor here. i'm just posting this so people are aware _something_ isn't right. also note i'm NOT complaining, just making some people aware of problems i've been having with -current, if i wasn't ok with these problems i'd be running 2.2.x. btw, it seems VERY specific to the way PINE deletes mail as i compile a LOT of code over these same NFS mounts with hardly a problem. thanks, Alfred Perlstein - Programmer, HotJobs Inc. - www.hotjobs.com -- There are operating systems, and then there's FreeBSD. -- http://www.freebsd.org/ 3.0-current -- kernel config file # bright machine "i386" cpu "I686_CPU" ident bright maxusers 80 options INCLUDE_CONFIG_FILE # Include this file in kernel options SOFTUPDATES #options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options NFS #Network Filesystem options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 Filesystem options "CD9660_ROOT" #CD-ROM usable as root device options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] #options NFS_ROOT #NFS usable as root device options PROCFS #Process filesystem options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options SCSI_DELAY=15000 #Be pessimistic about Joe SCSI device options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console #options FAILSAFE #Be conservative options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor #options DEVFS options MFS options "P1003_1B" options "_KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING" options "_KPOSIX_VERSION=199309L" config kernel root on wd0 controller isa0 controller eisa0 controller pci0 controller pnp0 device pcm0 at isa? port ? tty irq 10 drq 1 flags 0x0 vector pcmintr controller ppbus0 controller ppc0 at isa? port ? tty irq 7 vector ppcintr controller vpo0 at ppbus? device nlpt0 at ppbus? device plip0 at ppbus? device ppi0 at ppbus? controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 disk fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 # Unless you know very well what you're doing, leave ft0 at drive 2, or # remove the line entirely if you don't need it. Trying to configure # it on another unit might cause surprises, see PR kern/7176. tape ft0 at fdc0 drive 2 options "CMD640" # work around CMD640 chip deficiency controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 flags 0x7fff7fff vector wdintr disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1 controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 flags 0x7fff7fff vector wdintr disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 options ATAPI #Enable ATAPI support for IDE bus options ATAPI_STATIC #Don't do it as an LKM device wcd0 #IDE CD-ROM device wfd0 #IDE Floppy (e.g. LS-120) controller scbus0 device da0 device sa0 device pass0 device cd0 #Only need one of these, the code dynamically grows # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" conflicts tty irq 1 vector scintr device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" irq 13 vector npxintr # # Laptop support (see LINT for more options) # device apm0 at isa? disable flags 0x31 # Advanced Power Management device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" flags 0x10 tty irq 4 vector siointr device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 vector siointr device sio2 at isa? disable port "IO_COM3" tty irq 5 vector siointr device sio3 at isa? disable port "IO_COM4" tty irq 9 vector siointr device mse0 at isa? port 0x23c tty irq 5 vector mseintr device psm0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" conflicts tty irq 12 vector psmintr # Order is important here due to intrusive probes, do *not* alphabetize # this list of network interfaces until the probes have been fixed. # Right now it appears that the ie0 must be probed before ep0. See # revision 1.20 of this file. device de0 device xl0 pseudo-device loop pseudo-device ether pseudo-device snp 4 pseudo-device bpfilter 4 pseudo-device vn 4 pseudo-device sl 1 pseudo-device ppp 1 pseudo-device tun 1 pseudo-device pty 256 pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's # KTRACE enables the system-call tracing facility ktrace(2). # This adds 4 KB bloat to your kernel, and slightly increases # the costs of each syscall. options KTRACE #kernel tracing # This provides support for System V shared memory. # options SYSVSHM options SYSVSEM options SYSVMSG #options USER_LDT #options "VM86" options IPFIREWALL #firewall options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE #print information about options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT #allow everything by default options IPDIVERT #divert sockets To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 08:04:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12331 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:04:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA12285 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:04:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05369; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:58:26 +0200 (CEST) To: Matthew Thyer cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 Oct 1998 23:12:52 +0930." <199810081342.XAA01038@eddie.dsto.defence.gov.au> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:58:26 +0200 Message-ID: <5367.907858706@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199810081342.XAA01038@eddie.dsto.defence.gov.au>, Matthew Thyer writes: >As the manual tickadj(8) says: > >BUGS > Fiddling with kernel variables at run time as a part of ordinary opera- > tions is a hideous practice which is only necessary to make up for defi- > ciencies in the implementation of adjtime(8) in many kernels and/or bro- > kenness of the system clock in some vendors' kernels. It would be much > better if the kernels were fixed and the tickadj program went away. > > >So, has FreeBSD-CURRENT's kernel been fixed and can tickadj be removed >from the base system ? Yes and no. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 08:16:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA14086 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:16:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA14077 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:16:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA25214; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 01:16:34 +1000 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 01:16:34 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199810081516.BAA25214@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, ghelmer@scl.ameslab.gov Subject: Re: Kernel backtrace for recurring page fault panic Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I finally have a backtrace for a page fault panic that has been bothering >me under -current for months (it only happens when I use cvsup); this >kernel was built from current sources on October 2. It appears that there >are two page faults, the first occuring in tulip_txput and the second in >tsleep. Is this of value to the kernel gurus? I think this panic was reported by someone else. tulip_txput() calls vtophys() on an invalid address for some unknown reason. The pagefault in tsleep() is not interesting (sync() can not be called from an interrupt handler). Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 08:21:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAB14683 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:21:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA14658; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:20:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA25359; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 01:19:59 +1000 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 01:19:59 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199810081519.BAA25359@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: eculp@webwizard.org.mx, FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: This mornings make world Current/ELF Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >===> libexec/getty >cc -O -pipe -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c >/usr/src/libexec/getty/m >ain.c >/usr/src/libexec/getty/main.c:140: conflicting types for >`puts' >/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/stdio.h:231: >previous declaration of `puts' >*** Error code 1 Someone broke using a nested include of . Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 08:22:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA15138 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:22:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uop.cs.uop.edu (uop.cs.uop.edu [138.9.200.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15037 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:22:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bford@uop.cs.uop.edu) Received: from heather (user209.pop2.cwia.com [209.142.32.209]) by uop.cs.uop.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA12236 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:22:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000901bdf2cf$68be5ca0$0100a8c0@heather.my.domain> From: "Bret Ford" To: Subject: Seagate drive lockup Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:22:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greetings, I'm using a recent (around Sep 29) -current world with a kernel compiled fresh today. I'm having some "lock-up" problems with my Seagate 9gb drive. This occurs whenever the disk gets used with some intensity (eg. rm -fr obj or most 'cvsup's). I will get a couple iterations of kernel messages like these: Oct 8 07:51:31 plover /kernel.test: (da1:ahc0:0:3:0): SCB 0xc - timed out in dataout phase, SCSISIGI == 0x4 Oct 8 07:51:31 plover /kernel.test: SEQADDR == 0x10d Oct 8 07:51:31 plover /kernel.test: SSTAT1 == 0x2 Oct 8 07:51:31 plover /kernel.test: (da1:ahc0:0:3:0): BDR message in message buffer Oct 8 07:51:33 plover /kernel.test: (da1:ahc0:0:3:0): SCB 0x9 - timed out in dataout phase, SCSISIGI == 0x14 Oct 8 07:51:33 plover /kernel.test: SEQADDR == 0x10e Oct 8 07:51:33 plover /kernel.test: SSTAT1 == 0x2 Oct 8 07:51:33 plover /kernel.test: (da1:ahc0:0:3:0): no longer in timeout, status = 34b Oct 8 07:51:33 plover /kernel.test: ahc0: Issued Channel A Bus Reset. 47 SCBs aborted ...and then my ^C or ^Z command will finally take. It usually takes a minute or more to get out of this lock-up condition. Below is a dmesg description of my SCSI hardware. Hope this is helpful. Bret Ford ahc0: at 0x4c00-0x4cff irq 15 on eisa0 slot 4 ahc0: aic7770 >= Rev E, Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 4/255 SCBs aha0 at 0x130-0x133 irq 11 drq 7 on isa aha0: AHA-1542C FW Rev. 0.1 (ID=44) SCSI Host Adapter, SCSI ID 7, 17 CCBs da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 3 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device da1: 10.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 15), Tagged Queueing Enabled da1: 8347MB (17096357 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 8347C) da0 at aha0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device da0: 3.333MB/s transfers (3.333MHz, offset 8) da0: 496MB (1015812 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 496C) cd0 at aha0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI2 device cd0: 3.300MB/s transfers cd0: cd present [191673 x 2048 byte records] da2 at aha0 bus 0 target 2 lun 0 da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device da2: 3.300MB/s transfers da2: 1910MB (3912172 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 1910C) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 08:49:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA21120 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:49:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20839 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:48:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no (2602@hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.130]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id RAA15393; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:48:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:48:01 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: Matthew Thyer , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ? References: <5367.907858706@critter.freebsd.dk> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 08 Oct 1998 17:48:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: Poul-Henning Kamp's message of "Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:58:26 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id IAA21072 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Poul-Henning Kamp writes: > In message <199810081342.XAA01038@eddie.dsto.defence.gov.au>, Matthew Thyer writes: > > So, has FreeBSD-CURRENT's kernel been fixed and can tickadj be removed > > from the base system ? > Yes and no. Care to elaborate, or are we just too stupid to comprehend the depth of Your Maginificence's explanation? DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 09:18:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA26306 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:18:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA26284 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:18:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA05745; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:12:19 +0200 (CEST) To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) cc: Matthew Thyer , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ? In-reply-to: Your message of "08 Oct 1998 17:48:00 +0200." Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:12:18 +0200 Message-ID: <5743.907863138@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= writes: >Poul-Henning Kamp writes: >> In message <199810081342.XAA01038@eddie.dsto.defence.gov.au>, Matthew Thyer writes: >> > So, has FreeBSD-CURRENT's kernel been fixed and can tickadj be removed >> > from the base system ? >> Yes and no. > >Care to elaborate, or are we just too stupid to comprehend the depth >of Your Maginificence's explanation? Yes, it has been fixed. No, it hasn't been removed. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 09:25:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27458 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:25:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA27424 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:25:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no (2602@hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.130]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id SAA22487; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:24:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:24:46 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: Matthew Thyer , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ? References: <5743.907863138@critter.freebsd.dk> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 08 Oct 1998 18:24:45 +0200 In-Reply-To: Poul-Henning Kamp's message of "Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:12:18 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id JAA27438 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Poul-Henning Kamp writes: > In message , Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= writes: > >Poul-Henning Kamp writes: > > > In message <199810081342.XAA01038@eddie.dsto.defence.gov.au>, Matthew Thyer writes: > > > > So, has FreeBSD-CURRENT's kernel been fixed and can tickadj be removed > > > > from the base system ? > > > Yes and no. > > Care to elaborate, or are we just too stupid to comprehend the depth > > of Your Maginificence's explanation? > Yes, it has been fixed. > No, it hasn't been removed. The original question was "can tickadj be removed". You answered no. I think it might be relevant to explain *why* it can't be removed. If it *can* be removed, but hasn't, shouldn't it be done? DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 10:31:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07999 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:31:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07983 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:31:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA06171; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:25:31 +0200 (CEST) To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) cc: Matthew Thyer , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ? In-reply-to: Your message of "08 Oct 1998 18:24:45 +0200." Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 19:25:30 +0200 Message-ID: <6169.907867530@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= writes: >Poul-Henning Kamp writes: >> In message , Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= writes: >> >Poul-Henning Kamp writes: >> > > In message <199810081342.XAA01038@eddie.dsto.defence.gov.au>, Matthew Thyer writes: >> > > > So, has FreeBSD-CURRENT's kernel been fixed and can tickadj be removed >> > > > from the base system ? >> > > Yes and no. >> > Care to elaborate, or are we just too stupid to comprehend the depth >> > of Your Maginificence's explanation? >> Yes, it has been fixed. >> No, it hasn't been removed. > >The original question was "can tickadj be removed". You answered no. Sorry, misunderstanding there, yes I think it can be removed. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 11:14:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16704 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:14:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16693 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:14:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id UAA08473; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:13:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:13:45 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: Matthew Thyer , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ? References: <6169.907867530@critter.freebsd.dk> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 08 Oct 1998 20:13:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: Poul-Henning Kamp's message of "Thu, 08 Oct 1998 19:25:30 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id LAA16700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Poul-Henning Kamp writes: > In message , Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav writes: > > The original question was "can tickadj be removed". You answered no. > Sorry, misunderstanding there, yes I think it can be removed. OK, then everything is fine and dandy :) DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 11:25:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18917 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:25:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18906 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:25:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22201; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:23:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:23:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Mike Smith cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BTX + floppy = confusion In-Reply-To: <199810080818.BAA02213@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > I have a Phoenix BIOS'd P90 at work running 3.0-981004-BETA with one IDE > > disk and three SCSI disks. System is on the IDE disk. The BIOS won't > > boot the disk directly (the fdisk table is probaly misgenerated, libdisk's > > fault probably; it's the same box that reported the odd sysinstall/newfs > > problems I reported earlier). > > Is this by any chance using a "dangerously dedicated" disk? It was at one point, but it's sliced now. I'm sure it's a geometry goofup (with some old Phoenix silliness mixed in). > > For fun and games, I built an ELF kernel and built the BTX loader and > > stuck it in /boot as directed. I then booted from the floppy and told it > > to load > > How recent? Aformentioned 10/04 beta. > > wd(0,a)/boot/loader > > > > Up pops the minikernel... good so far .. then it complains that > > it couldn't identify the boot disk. I hit a key to get the prompt, and > > get dumped to > > > > disk0a:> > > > > (There's a comment in the btx loader code near the check that explains the > > situation exactly, it starts with 'If we are booted by an old bootstrap, > > we have to guess at the BIOS unit number.' Is there a new boot1/boot2 I > > should feed to my floppy?) > > You can rebuild the old ones, which now set the BIOS unit number > correctly, yes. 'disklabel -b fd0' with the provided bootblocks in the beta doesn't do anything different. > > Now the wacky stuff. > > > > 1. Okay, no problem, I think. I type > > > > boot disk1a:/kernel > > > > System starts, tries to mount root from fd0a and panics. > > You've hit a difficult corner case here. You booted the kernel on > disk1a, but the current device (which will become the root device > unless you have set rootdev) is still disk0a. This is not intuitive if > you're used to the old bootstrap. It's an interesting semantic issue. And the fact that these magic variables aren't documented anywhere (except the source of course) doesn't help. > Should 'boot' assume that you want to take the root filesystem from > where you sourced the kernel? How about in the case where you've loaded > the kernel and then some other modules; should the root filesystem be > the current device (or rootdev) at the end of the process, or should it > be where the kernel came from? What if the media from which the kernel > came from isn't there anymore? What if the kernel load command was > > load tftp:/kernel ? > > Many worms. Small can. I see. (I like the possibility of tftp'ing from the booter :-) ) > > 2. After looking at the loader source and discovering the 'show' command > > You can type '?' like it prompts you to when it loads... 8) > > I try to change currdev and loaddev. I can change currdev using 'set > > currdev=disk1a:' but trying to change loaddev gives 'operation not > > permitted'. > > That's right. loaddev is where the bootstrap was loaded from. It lets > you say 'load $loaddev/kernel -v' for example. ok, I figured some variable interpolation was going on. > > Hm, ok, I try starting the kernel with > > > > boot /kernel > > > > System boots, and I get dumped to single user complainig that 'mount: > > /dev/wd0s1a: current device does not match mounted device.' > > > > I'm stuck in a hole here since I can't convince the system that /dev/wd0a > > == /dev/wd0s1a. > > That's because it doesn't. Depending on how recent your 'loader' is, > it looks like my idiot test isn't good enough. It shouldn't let you > open diskXa when diskX is sliced. To get the right results, you ought > to have set I think you meant to say 'disk1s1a' which does work. I found that if I set bootdev=disk1s1a before booting the kernel, it mounts up fine. I didn't see a 'rootdev' variable. But that idiot test _does_ need to be fixed since I know -questions will get flooded with people who get stuck in the hole. > > Okay, guys, go to it. :) Unless someone wants me to preserve the scene of > > the crime I'm probably going to wipe it clean and install the 1006 BETA > > tomorrow afternoon (PST) so I can get around this boot floppy silliness. > > No probs; apart from the not-quite-childproof point in the loader, > that's about what's to be expected. Thanks for the eval! No problem. I'm going to put the latest beta on and in the process fix the BIOS booting issue. Is it in the plan to keep boot2 around so you can boot the loader from alternate locations, or will its prompt disappear? Rhe Solaris/Intel booter has only one prompt and as far as I can tell it's a three-stage booter. Doug White Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 11:26:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19334 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:26:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp-gw.BayNetworks.COM (ns1.BayNetworks.COM [134.177.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19327 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:26:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thomma@BayNetworks.COM) Received: from mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (h016b.s86b1.BayNetworks.COM [134.177.1.107] (may be forged)) by smtp-gw.BayNetworks.COM (8.9.1/BNET-98/09/30-E) with ESMTP id LAA09991 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fedex.engwest.baynetworks.com (fedex.engwest.baynetworks.com [134.177.110.46]) by mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA20009 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carrera.engwest (carrera.engwest.baynetworks.com) by fedex.engwest.baynetworks.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) Received: from localhost by carrera.engwest (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA01314; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:26:32 -0700 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: installworld and softupdates X-Mailer: Mew version 1.92 on Emacs 19.28 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19981008112632P.thomma@baynetworks.com> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 11:26:32 -0700 From: Tamiji Homma X-Dispatcher: imput version 971024 Lines: 23 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have a machine whose / partition is 32MB and about 10MB space left. Softupdates is enabled on / as well as other partitions. The buildworld completes with a hitch. Then installworld always fails when updating /sbin with / file system full. After the failure, when I did df, I saw 9MB left. Then I thought that softupdates was delay^H^H^H^H^Hoptimizing the temporary file space reclaim which install -s (stripping) creates and deletes very quickly during installworld. It turned off softupdates and tried installworld. Bingo! It completed. So be careful when your / is running out and do make world/installworld. FYI. Tammy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 11:45:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21619 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:45:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA21554 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:45:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 5386 invoked by uid 1001); 8 Oct 1998 18:45:26 +0000 (GMT) To: mike@smith.net.au Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What kind of SCSI controller is in a Compaq Proliant 3000? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:00:39 -0700" References: <199810072200.PAA02835@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 20:45:26 +0200 Message-ID: <5384.907872326@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Just got my hands on a nice shiny new Compaq Proliant 3000 server (yes, > > I know Compaqs are weird in some ways, but this is beyond my control). > > I'd like to install FreeBSD on it, but the problem is that no SCSI disk > > controller is detected (and thus no SCSI disks) by the 3.0 boot disk. ... > > I thought it might be an Adaptec (with a different PCI Chip ID). Will try > > to have a look at the actual controller tomorrow. Meanwhile, does anybody > > know kind of beast this SCSI controller is? > > No, but the device ID's will be printed if you boot with '-v', and that > will give us an excellent start on working out what it is. Unfortunately, no. I have to wonder if the PCI probing is different in 3.0, because *no* PCI devices are detected, except the basic PCI bridges in the system. This is with 3.0-19981006-BETA. It writes "Probing for devices on PCI bus 1", and then no devices are found. I was able to install 2.2.7-19980914-SNAP with only minor problems (using a different Ethernet card for the install, since the Thunderland driver is not on the 2.2.7 boot disks). The disk controller is a Symbios 53c876 (checked by looking at the actual chip), which appears as two 53c875's. Below is the boot -v output from 2.2.7. Anybody have an idea of why PCI probing fails in 3.0-19981006-BETA on this Compaq system? Anything more I can do to debug it? (Might try to install 3.0 "by hand" tomorrow - this is feasible since I have a running 2.2.7 system now, and plenty of disk space). Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Calibrating clock(s) ... i586 clock: 332826782 Hz, i8254 clock: 1193275 Hz CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default frequency CLK_USE_I586_CALIBRATION not specified - using old calibration method CPU: Pentium II (quarter-micron) (332.80-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x651 Stepping=1 Features=0x183fbff,,MMX,> real memory = 603979776 (589824K bytes) Physical memory chunk(s): 0x00001000 - 0x0009efff, 647168 bytes (158 pages) 0x00221000 - 0x23ffdfff, 601739264 bytes (146909 pages) avail memory = 589602816 (575784K bytes) eisa0: Probing for devices on the EISA bus pcibus_setup(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x00000000 pcibus_setup(1a): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000) pcibus_check: device 0 is there (id=00051166) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: configuration mode 1 allows 32 devices. chip0 rev 3 on pci0:0:0 vga0 rev 34 int a irq ?? on pci0:6:0 mapreg[10] type=0 addr=c5000000 size=1000000. chip1 rev 7 on pci0:15:0 chip2 rev 3 on pci0:17:0 pci0: uses 16777216 bytes of memory from c5000000 upto c5ffffff. Probing for devices on PCI bus 1: ncr0 rev 20 int a irq 9 on pci1:4:0 mapreg[10] type=1 addr=00005000 size=0100. mapreg[14] type=0 addr=c6ffdf00 size=0100. mapreg[18] type=0 addr=c6fff000 size=1000. reg20: virtual=0xf616ef00 physical=0xc6ffdf00 size=0x100 reg24: virtual=0xf616f000 physical=0xc6fff000 size=0x1000 ncr0: minsync=12, maxsync=137, maxoffs=16, 128 dwords burst, large dma fifo ncr0: single-ended, open drain IRQ driver, using on-chip SRAM ncr0: restart (scsi reset). ncr0 scanning for targets 0..6 and 8..15 (V2 pl24 96/12/14) ncr0 waiting for scsi devices to settle (ncr0:0:0): WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled(ncr0:0:0): 10.0 MB/s (200 ns, offset 15) (ncr0:0:0): "COMPAQ HD0093172C 3207" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ncr0:0:0): Direct-Access sd0(ncr0:0:0): WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled sd0(ncr0:0:0): 40.0 MB/s (50 ns, offset 15) 8678MB (17773500 512 byte sectors) sd0(ncr0:0:0): with 6962 cyls, 12 heads, and an average 212 sectors/track (ncr0:1:0): WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled(ncr0:1:0): 10.0 MB/s (200 ns, offset 15) (ncr0:1:0): "COMPAQ HD0093172C 3207" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd1(ncr0:1:0): Direct-Access sd1(ncr0:1:0): WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled sd1(ncr0:1:0): 40.0 MB/s (50 ns, offset 15) 8678MB (17773500 512 byte sectors) sd1(ncr0:1:0): with 6962 cyls, 12 heads, and an average 212 sectors/track (ncr0:4:0): WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled(ncr0:4:0): 10.0 MB/s (200 ns, offset 15) (ncr0:4:0): "COMPAQ HD0093172C 3207" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd2(ncr0:4:0): Direct-Access sd2(ncr0:4:0): WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled sd2(ncr0:4:0): 40.0 MB/s (50 ns, offset 15) 8678MB (17773500 512 byte sectors) sd2(ncr0:4:0): with 6962 cyls, 12 heads, and an average 212 sectors/track (ncr0:5:0): WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled(ncr0:5:0): 10.0 MB/s (200 ns, offset 15) (ncr0:5:0): "COMPAQ HD0093172C 3207" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd3(ncr0:5:0): Direct-Access sd3(ncr0:5:0): WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled sd3(ncr0:5:0): 40.0 MB/s (50 ns, offset 15) 8678MB (17773500 512 byte sectors) sd3(ncr0:5:0): with 6962 cyls, 12 heads, and an average 212 sectors/track ncr1 rev 20 int b irq 10 on pci1:4:1 mapreg[10] type=1 addr=00005400 size=0100. mapreg[14] type=0 addr=c6ffde00 size=0100. mapreg[18] type=0 addr=c6ffe000 size=1000. reg20: virtual=0xf6170e00 physical=0xc6ffde00 size=0x100 reg24: virtual=0xf6171000 physical=0xc6ffe000 size=0x1000 ncr1: minsync=12, maxsync=137, maxoffs=16, 128 dwords burst, large dma fifo ncr1: single-ended, open drain IRQ driver, using on-chip SRAM ncr1: restart (scsi reset). ncr1 scanning for targets 0..6 and 8..15 (V2 pl24 96/12/14) ncr1 waiting for scsi devices to settle tl0 rev 16 int a irq 5 on pci1:8:0 mapreg[10] type=1 addr=00005800 size=0010. mapreg[14] type=0 addr=c6ffddf0 size=0010. tl0: Ethernet address: 00:08:c7:1e:a7:35 tl0: looking for phy at addr 0 tl0: status: 0 tl0: looking for phy at addr 1 tl0: status: 7849 tl0: phy at mii address 1 tl0: 10/100Mbps full duplex autonegotiating tl0: autoneg complete, link status good (full-duplex, 100Mbps) bpf: tl0 attached pci1: uses 8720 bytes of memory from c6ffddf0 upto c6ffffff. pci1: uses 528 bytes of I/O space from 5000 upto 580f. Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0: the current keyboard controller command byte 0065 kbdio: DIAGNOSE status:0055 kbdio: TEST_KBD_PORT status:0000 kbdio: RESET_KBD return code:00fa kbdio: RESET_KBD status:00aa sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: BIOS video mode:3 sc0: VGA registers upon power-up 50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 07 80 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff sc0: video mode:24 sc0: VGA registers in BIOS for mode:24 50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 00 00 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff sc0: VGA registers to be used for mode:24 50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 00 00 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff sc0: rows_offset:1 sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> sio0: irq maps: 0x9 0x19 0x9 0x9 sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1: irq maps: 0x1 0x9 0x1 0x1 sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x3bc-0x3c3 irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface bpf: lp0 attached psm0: current command byte:0065 kbdio: TEST_AUX_PORT status:0000 kbdio: RESET_AUX return code:00fa kbdio: RESET_AUX status:00aa kbdio: RESET_AUX ID:0000 psm: status 00 02 64 psm: status 90 03 3c psm: status 90 03 3c psm: status 90 03 3c psm: status 00 00 0a psm: data 08 00 00 psm: data 08 00 00 psm: status 00 02 64 psm0 at 0x60-0x64 irq 12 on motherboard psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0, 3 buttons psm0: config:00000000, flags:00000000, packet size:3 psm0: syncmask:c0, syncbits:00 fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (atapi): , removable, accel, dma, iordis wcd0: 1378Kb/sec, 128Kb cache, audio play, 256 volume levels, ejectable tray wcd0: door open, unlocked npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface imasks: bio c0084640, tty c003109a, net c0060020 BIOS Geometries: 0:03fffe3f 0..1023=1024 cylinders, 0..254=255 heads, 1..63=63 sectors 1:03fffe3f 0..1023=1024 cylinders, 0..254=255 heads, 1..63=63 sectors 2:03fffe3f 0..1023=1024 cylinders, 0..254=255 heads, 1..63=63 sectors 3:03fffe3f 0..1023=1024 cylinders, 0..254=255 heads, 1..63=63 sectors 0 accounted for Device configuration finished. bpf: tun0 attached bpf: ppp0 attached new masks: bio c0084640, tty c003109a, net c00710ba bpf: lo0 attached Considering FFS root f/s. sd0s1: type 0x12, start 63, end = 80324, size 80262 : OK sd0s2: type 0x6, start 80325, end = 674729, size 594405 : OK sd0s3: type 0xa5, start 674730, end = 17767889, size 17093160 : OK sd1s1: type 0xa5, start 16065, end = 17767889, size 17751825 : OK sd1s3: type 0x12, start 63, end = 16064, size 16002 : OK sd3s1: type 0xa5, start 16065, end = 17767889, size 17751825 : OK sd3s3: type 0x12, start 63, end = 16064, size 16002 : OK sd2s1: type 0xa5, start 16065, end = 17767889, size 17751825 : OK sd2s3: type 0x12, start 63, end = 16064, size 16002 : OK sd2s1: type 0xa5, start 16065, end = 17767889, size 17751825 : OK sd2s3: type 0x12, start 63, end = 16064, size 16002 : OK sd3s1: type 0xa5, start 16065, end = 17767889, size 17751825 : OK sd3s3: type 0x12, start 63, end = 16064, size 16002 : OK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 12:06:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25181 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:06:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25139 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:06:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18921; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:05:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd018826; Thu Oct 8 12:05:40 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26707; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:05:24 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810081905.MAA26707@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:05:24 +0000 (GMT) Cc: Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no, toasty@home.dragondata.com, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810080808.BAA02150@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Oct 8, 98 01:08:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It's determined by the drive, not the driver. None of our drivers > spin the CDROM down intentionally. > > Many drives don't offer any standard way of disabling the spindown; > you're basically stuck with it. I thought you could avoid spindown by reading the thing... >^). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 12:15:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26717 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:15:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26694 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:14:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA26983; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:14:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id VAA20249; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:14:41 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19981008211441.00286@follo.net> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:14:41 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Brian Somers , Kris Kennaway Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Improper sharing of modem bandwidth References: <199810071336.OAA01091@woof.lan.awfulhak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199810071336.OAA01091@woof.lan.awfulhak.org>; from Brian Somers on Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 02:36:02PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 02:36:02PM +0100, Brian Somers wrote: > If you're interested, you could try doing a ``s/20/100/'' in bundle.c > in src/usr.sbin/ppp and rebuilding & installing ppp. Perhaps the > ``20'' is a bit light. > > Opinions ? I can see a couple ways of fixing this (better than today, at least). All involve changing the tun device. The basic concept is that you want to be able to re-order the tun queue, so you can get hold of the packets you want while still not allowing something to push any amount of packets into ppp. 1. Change tun to use the same priority scheme as PPP, thus prioritizing the entire queue. 2. Allow PPP to say 'block' to the tun device (possibly just for a specific subset of connections - bpf script?), thus making it possible to prioritize when PPP is 'full'. 3. Allow PPP to inspect and re-order packets in tun, without having to get the full packets. This allow PPP to implement the priotity scheme for tun (as opposed to having it implemented in tun itself). #2 is probably the best (from the view of which possibilities it gives), but I also suspect it is what would give most work (unless bpf already can be used this way; then it would just be a question of making PPP use it.) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 12:25:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28998 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:25:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28981 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:25:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23658; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:20:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199810081920.MAA23658@austin.polstra.com> To: phk@critter.freebsd.dk Subject: Re: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ? In-Reply-To: <6169.907867530@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <6169.907867530@critter.freebsd.dk> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:20:58 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >The original question was "can tickadj be removed". You answered no. > > Sorry, misunderstanding there, yes I think it can be removed. It is still useful on 486 machines using the "-t nnnn" option to correct for badly inaccurate clocks. I don't know of a replacement for that. Even when running xntpd, this usage of tickadj keeps the /etc/ntp.drift value within the range claimed to be robustly compensated by xntpd. In any case, given that a code freeze is in effect, it shouldn't be removed before 3.0 is released. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 12:30:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00316 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:30:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00291 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:30:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA07036; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:25:17 +0200 (CEST) To: John Polstra cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:20:58 PDT." <199810081920.MAA23658@austin.polstra.com> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:25:15 +0200 Message-ID: <7034.907874715@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199810081920.MAA23658@austin.polstra.com>, John Polstra writes: >> >The original question was "can tickadj be removed". You answered no. >> >> Sorry, misunderstanding there, yes I think it can be removed. > >It is still useful on 486 machines using the "-t nnnn" option to >correct for badly inaccurate clocks. I don't know of a replacement >for that. Even when running xntpd, this usage of tickadj keeps >the /etc/ntp.drift value within the range claimed to be robustly >compensated by xntpd. Uhm, sorry, no longer true, tickadj has nothing what so ever to do with what time it is any more... -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 13:00:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA06028 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from void.cs.rpi.edu (void.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.8.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06000 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:59:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crossd@void.cs.rpi.edu) Received: from localhost (crossd@localhost) by void.cs.rpi.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA01463; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:58:51 -0400 From: "David E. Cross" To: Terry Lambert cc: Mike Smith , Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no, toasty@home.dragondata.com, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk In-Reply-To: <199810081905.MAA26707@usr08.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > It's determined by the drive, not the driver. None of our drivers > > spin the CDROM down intentionally. > > > > Many drives don't offer any standard way of disabling the spindown; > > you're basically stuck with it. > > I thought you could avoid spindown by reading the thing... >^). Slight problem, disk caching. If you are going to ping the drive every N time units as a 'keep-alive', those blocks will very quickly get cached; unless you devise some clever algorithm that will always ensure that you get a block not in the cache (consider the cache could me a megabyte or more in size, and this gets tricky) -- David Cross To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 13:42:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15004 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:42:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14921 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:41:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24112; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:37:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199810082037.NAA24112@austin.polstra.com> To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:25:15 +0200." <7034.907874715@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:37:18 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Uhm, sorry, no longer true, tickadj has nothing what so ever to do > with what time it is any more... Not even on 486 machines? Sorry, I was mistaken then. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 13:48:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15922 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:48:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15846 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:48:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA07705; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:42:08 +0200 (CEST) To: John Polstra cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:37:18 PDT." <199810082037.NAA24112@austin.polstra.com> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 22:42:07 +0200 Message-ID: <7703.907879327@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199810082037.NAA24112@austin.polstra.com>, John Polstra writes: >> Uhm, sorry, no longer true, tickadj has nothing what so ever to do >> with what time it is any more... > >Not even on 486 machines? Sorry, I was mistaken then. No, the only place where the length of a "tick" enters the picture is in how fast the adjtime(2) delta is applied, and we're talking second order dependency here, so don't worry, you can't even measure it. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 13:57:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17837 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:57:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17765 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:57:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com) Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by narnia.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.7.3) id OAA22210; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:50:29 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:50:29 -0600 (MDT) From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Message-Id: <199810082050.OAA22210@narnia.plutotech.com> To: "Bret Ford" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Seagate drive lockup In-Reply-To: <000901bdf2cf$68be5ca0$0100a8c0@heather.my.domain> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971204 (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.0-BETA (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Greetings, > > I'm using a recent (around Sep 29) -current world with a kernel > compiled fresh today. I'm having some "lock-up" problems with > my Seagate 9gb drive. This occurs whenever the disk gets used with > some intensity (eg. rm -fr obj or most 'cvsup's). I will get a couple > iterations of kernel messages like these: > > Oct 8 07:51:31 plover /kernel.test: (da1:ahc0:0:3:0): SCB 0xc - timed out > in dataout phase, SCSISIGI == 0x4 > Oct 8 07:51:31 plover /kernel.test: SEQADDR == 0x10d > Oct 8 07:51:31 plover /kernel.test: SSTAT1 == 0x2 There is something wrong with your cable, termination or both. Either the drive or the controller missed a REQ or ACK on the bus, which caused this hang. Remove any kinks from your cable. Route it away from the power supply and processor. Use a disk drive or external active (or force perfect) terminator on the bus. It may well be that you haven't seen this problem before upgrading to CAM. CAM now uses SCB paging by default whereas the older drivers only did so if you enabled an option. This combined with other characteristics of CAM allow for much higher device and bus loads than before. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 14:37:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25143 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:37:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25136 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:37:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost by echonyc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA01229; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:37:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Snob Art Genre Reply-To: ben@rosengart.com To: John Polstra cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ? In-Reply-To: <199810081920.MAA23658@austin.polstra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, John Polstra wrote: > In any case, given that a code freeze is in effect, You're kidding. Since when? Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 14:40:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25620 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:40:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25544 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:40:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24573; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:39:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199810082139.OAA24573@austin.polstra.com> To: ben@rosengart.com cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 Oct 1998 17:37:41 EDT." Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 14:39:56 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > In any case, given that a code freeze is in effect, > > You're kidding. Since when? Since around September 15, when Jordan announced it. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 14:57:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28884 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:57:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from amuzgo.teuton.org (amuzgo.teuton.org [206.247.105.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28877 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:56:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oyarsa@teuton.org) Received: from localhost (oyarsa@localhost) by amuzgo.teuton.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA19975 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:56:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from oyarsa@teuton.org) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:56:51 -0600 (MDT) From: Roger Greenlee To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Help with Beta 3 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I am new to this list and to FreeBSD... I just installed the Beta 3 9-28-98 version of FreeBSD. I am now trying to install fvwm window manager and it is telling me that it cannot find X-Windows. I am using the pkg_add command. Does anyone know a workaround for this? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 15:08:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00925 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:08:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA00791 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:06:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 16198 invoked by uid 1000); 8 Oct 1998 23:10:21 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 19:10:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Give a Hand of Appreciation to the CAM Team Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I would like to stand, tip my hat off and give a big, warm compliment to the CAM team. It is small secret that I was not all happy and in agreement with the way the project developed, but, in the end, I was proven wrong. They did an impressive job. What follows are some notes on this matter. I was just done with some stress, load, and performance testing on the DPT driver, in the CAM kernel for 3.0. * Work was based on a 3.0-current kernel from 4-Oct-1998. * We tested on two platforms, nomis and lead-100. * Nomis is a Super Micro P6DNH2 motherboard with 2 P6-200 processors, 384MB or DRAM, 2 DPT PM3334UDW, each with 64MB of ECC cache, and three SCSI busses. There are some 35 disk drives attached, all in some RAID array arrangement or another. Testing was done on a 19GB RAID-0 partition (6 Barracuda Ultra Wide with striping factor of 32KB). * Lead-100 is a test machine with a nasty ASUS motherboard having some 128MB or SDRAM and a single single bus PM3334UW attached to 3 Cheetah drives arranged in a RAID-5 with 64K stripes. We use a 1.8GB partitions for testing. * For testing we use a modified nasty.sh which forks 256 instances at a time. Each instance runs st.c, in read-only,4KB records. St.c simply reads random records from the given disk. It is NOT a file-system test, but an I/O engine test; All access was made to raw partitions. * these are available form ftp://simon-shapiro.org/crash/tools. * Test configuration is designed to stress the DPT firmware, The device driver, the O/S kernel, etc. Not to yield the maximum quotable megabytes per second. * As a benchmark, we used tests done on a pre-CAM kernel, in a similar arrangement to that on nomis. * Successive runs of nasty.sh are initiated until he system dies or until 1,024 instances of st.c are running. * The pre-CAM tests included internal measurements of latencies in the interrupt handler code, the DPT firmware, the driver internals, and the O/S stack. These were not available in the CAM version. they were taken out and not put back in again (my fault). * Briefly, the pre-CAM kernel, UP, on a P6-200 achieved 1,943 transfers per second. This is on 1,024 instances. Keyboard response was excellent, and IDE access was usable. Interactive access to anything hooked up to the DPT was experiencing 6minutes response time. Reliability was excellent; the test would run for 24-48 hours and then manually terminated without any signs of failure. Running intensive NFS work in parallel, dod not seem to change the overall throughput. I published similar tests on these lists before. * Disk utilization (the observed load on the physical disks, as compared to load on the controller) seems to be around 30-50%. SCSI bus utilization seems to be around 50-75%. controller utilization seems to be around 90% visible, and about 99% of theoretical limits. Now to the CAM results: * P6-200 SMP: 128 processes LA = 50.51, 1,671 tps (Transfers/Sec.) 256 processes LA = 158-188, 1329-1898 tps 320 processes LA = 199-240, 162-1904 tps We could not get much higher than that, the system simply dies. No crashes, but no response to anything is visible. Current processes seemed to still be running. * P-II- 350 UP: 256 processes LA = 59-67, 1,536-1,738 tps 512 Processes LA = 250-270, 569-1248 tps. We could not scale any higher. Same symptoms as SMP at around 320 processes. * We could not perform any NFS tests, as at these loads, the network code times out on anything we try. Summary: * These are, by no means, conclusive results. Neither the methods nor the reporting are scientifically, or even statistically valid. But some behavior patters are rather visible. * From I/O performance perspective, SMP on FreeBSD seems like a net loss. I do not think there are any news here. * The CAM code, IRT disks (we did not test any tape nor CD devices), seems rather robust. The systems boot significantly faster, and correctly, and we experienced no failures attributable to CAM. * Peak performance, on a DPT controller, seems about 5% slower than previous code. This does NOT necessarily mean that the CAM code is slower. It only means, that when viewed as a whole, the CAM solution is somewhat slower. * Scalability seems distinctly poorer. Where the pre-CAM code scaled linearly to its peak, we see the CAM code peak around 128-256 concurrent processes, with erratic behavior in the 320-500 processes, coupled with clear and distinct decline in throughput. * Caveat; While sharing major pieces of code, the DPT pre-CAM and CAM drivers are very different creatures. We had not put in the time and effort yet to study the old driver architecture under CAM. Conclusion: A CAM/DPT based solution is probably production grade. It is very unlikely that most users will approach the loads described here. Even under severe loads, the code holds together, with fewer quirks in the driver, to allow for reliable operation. OTOH, there is much room for improvement in scalability and some room for peak performance. We will not be bored, but busy. Again, Thanx to Justin and Ken for all their excellent work! Sincerely Yours, Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG 770.265.7340 Simon Shapiro Unwritten code has no bugs and executes at twice the speed of mouth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 15:24:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04020 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:24:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (omega.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA03960 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:23:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fenner@parc.xerox.com) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <435711(2)>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:23:23 PDT Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177476>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:21:24 -0700 To: Eivind Eklund cc: Brian Somers , Kris Kennaway , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Improper sharing of modem bandwidth In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 Oct 98 12:14:41 PDT." <19981008211441.00286@follo.net> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:21:21 PDT From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <98Oct8.152124pdt.177476@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <19981008211441.00286@follo.net> Eivind wrote: >#2 is probably the best (from the view of which possibilities it >gives), but I also suspect it is what would give most work (unless bpf >already can be used this way; then it would just be a question of >making PPP use it.) [Jumping straight in where I know none of the context...] i = bpf_filter(program, (u_char *)m, ip->ip_len, 0) is all you need to do to run BPF program "program" on the packet in mbuf m. The BPF program can return the packet's priority (i.e. by looking at TCP ports or IP TOS or whatever) and then you could order the packets in the queue by their priority. Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 15:39:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07618 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:39:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07542 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:39:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27456; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:39:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd027405; Thu Oct 8 15:39:11 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20091; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:39:09 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810082239.PAA20091@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: installworld and softupdates To: thomma@BayNetworks.COM (Tamiji Homma) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:39:09 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19981008112632P.thomma@baynetworks.com> from "Tamiji Homma" at Oct 8, 98 11:26:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I have a machine whose / partition is 32MB and about 10MB > space left. Softupdates is enabled on / as well as other > partitions. > > The buildworld completes with a hitch. Then installworld always > fails when updating /sbin with / file system full. > After the failure, when I did df, I saw 9MB left. > > Then I thought that softupdates was delay^H^H^H^H^Hoptimizing the > temporary file space reclaim which install -s (stripping) creates and > deletes very quickly during installworld. > > It turned off softupdates and tried installworld. > > Bingo! It completed. > > So be careful when your / is running out and do make world/installworld. Disk space held by uncommitted deletes depending on other operations is, by definition, not reusable until such time as the operations are committed. Another fix would be to explicitly call "sync" at the appropriate places to ensure the soft clock is drained (and thus deleted file space was recovered before it was needed. You can see this in action very easily by copying a full X11 tree to a soft updates parition, syncing it out, deleting it, and then doing a "df" once a second and watching the space "drain back". The soft updates code should arguably advance the slot clock at an accelerated rate in the case that new entries are not being made. Feel free to submit code. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 17:04:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA24426 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:04:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24370 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:04:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03261; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:03:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: ben@rosengart.com cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 Oct 1998 17:37:41 EDT." Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 17:03:43 -0700 Message-ID: <3256.907891423@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, John Polstra wrote: > > > In any case, given that a code freeze is in effect, > > You're kidding. Since when? It's been more of a code slush, and the rule still nonetheless in effect seems to be "bring it in if it's not too scarey OR if it represents something we really need to get out of the way before 3.0, or it will be more painful after." That still leaves a large number of things which are being deliberately postponed until after 3.0. They'd be nice to have, but we don't have an urgent need to cross the bridges they represent at this particular time. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 17:13:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25922 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:13:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA25859 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:12:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA12604; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:42:19 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:42:19 +0930 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: "David E. Cross" Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, toasty@home.dragondata.com, Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no, Mike Smith , Terry Lambert Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 08-Oct-98 David E. Cross wrote: > > > Many drives don't offer any standard way of disabling the spindown; > > > you're basically stuck with it. > > I thought you could avoid spindown by reading the thing... >^). > Slight problem, disk caching. If you are going to ping the drive every N > time units as a 'keep-alive', those blocks will very quickly get cached; > unless you devise some clever algorithm that will always ensure that you > get a block not in the cache (consider the cache could me a megabyte or > more in size, and this gets tricky) Err.. pick a random block and read it? OK, not terribly good for the health of the drive, but neither is keeping the drive spinning 100% of the time... --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 17:29:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA29265 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:29:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA29233 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:29:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost by echonyc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA18642; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:26:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Snob Art Genre Reply-To: ben@rosengart.com To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ? In-Reply-To: <3256.907891423@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > It's been more of a code slush, and the rule still nonetheless in > effect seems to be "bring it in if it's not too scarey OR if it > represents something we really need to get out of the way before 3.0, > or it will be more painful after." That still leaves a large number > of things which are being deliberately postponed until after 3.0. > They'd be nice to have, but we don't have an urgent need to cross the > bridges they represent at this particular time. So when is someone going to look at the reproducible, fully documented, weeks-old filesystem bug I posted to this list two days ago? Would a send-pr help? Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 17:34:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00422 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:34:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00343 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:34:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03460; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:33:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: ben@rosengart.com cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 Oct 1998 20:26:20 EDT." Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 17:33:55 -0700 Message-ID: <3456.907893235@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > So when is someone going to look at the reproducible, fully documented, > weeks-old filesystem bug I posted to this list two days ago? Would a > send-pr help? Of course a send-pr would help. Posting a problem to the list is like saying "if someone has time right this second to look at this, please do so, otherwise just ignore it" since once a message is in the archives, it's effectively gone from people's sight. Some folks might also claim this effect is the same for PRs, but I've seen a lot more PRs, of varying ages, revived and dealt with than I ever have seen with postings. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 17:54:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04356 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:54:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA04262 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:53:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01907; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:58:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810090058.RAA01907@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Roger Greenlee cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help with Beta 3 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 Oct 1998 15:56:51 MDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 17:58:13 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hello, I am new to this list and to FreeBSD... I just installed the Beta 3 > 9-28-98 version of FreeBSD. I am now trying to install fvwm window manager > and it is telling me that it cannot find X-Windows. I am using the pkg_add > command. Does anyone know a workaround for this? Without meaning any offense, if this is your first exposure to FreeBSD, we would strongly advise that you consider using one of our mature releases, eg. 2.2.7. With the Beta phase the ported software collection is in a state of constant flux, and unless you are very familiar with the system you will rapidly become very frustrated. If you're determined to continue with the 3.0 BETA, then it's extremely important that you subscribe to the cvs-all mailing list, and watch carefully for updates that will affect your system. You should also be prepared to install and use CVSup, and rebuild or otherwise update your system as changes are introduced over the next week. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 18:01:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05996 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:01:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kstreet.interlog.com (kstreet.interlog.com [198.53.146.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05913 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:01:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kws@kstreet.interlog.com) Received: (from kws@localhost) by kstreet.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) id VAA07341; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:00:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kws) From: Kevin Street MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:00:10 -0400 (EDT) To: Kirk McKusick Cc: Don Lewis , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, Kevin Street Subject: Re: Softupdates panics In-Reply-To: <199810031707.KAA00360@flamingo.McKusick.COM> References: <199810020735.AAA14928@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> <199810031707.KAA00360@flamingo.McKusick.COM> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13853.24358.994457.368422@kstreet.interlog.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kirk McKusick writes: >Don, > >I concur with your analysis of the problem and your fix. Just to close this out - I've been running for several days now with Don's patch installed and with noatime re-enabled in /etc/fstab on two softupdates disks. I've been thumping it fairly hard with no further crashes. Thanks Don! -- Kevin Street street@iName.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 18:02:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA06128 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:02:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from merlin.camalott.com (merlin.camalott.com [208.229.74.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06002 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:01:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joelh@gnu.org) Received: from detlev.UUCP (tex-66.camalott.com [208.229.74.66]) by merlin.camalott.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA26299; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:03:33 -0500 Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA06717; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:00:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from joelh) To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BETA problems References: <199810071400.HAA03172@dingo.cdrom.com> From: Joel Ray Holveck Date: 08 Oct 1998 19:59:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: Mike Smith's message of "Wed, 07 Oct 1998 07:00:35 -0700" Message-ID: <86vhluft2r.fsf@detlev.UUCP> Lines: 51 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith writes: >> At the beginning of this weekend, I started installing the 0928 >> beta. Due to phone line quality issues out here, it took two days, >> and ended with me installing the necessary stuff plus the (then >> released) 1002 source, and then doing a make world. (One suggestion: >> If an install fails due to a network failure, restart at the block >> instead of at the distribution.) > Owing to the way the blocks are compressed, you can't do this. You > have to start at the beginning. I haven't studied this closely, but Gary said that it's because the entire segment is a single gzipped stream, and that doing so would cause a restart midstream. I just glanced over the zlib sources, and started wondering. Would it be possible to copy the state of the decompression engine, in anticipation of failure? How expensive would it be? >> During the install, I noticed that the CAM drivers don't appear in >> user_config. I know this was discussed elsewhere, but my $0.02 says >> get it in before release if possible. > Already done. Okay. I noticed this discussed elsewhere, but didn't see anybody saying they were doing anything about it. >> In the release notes, we say that the 3C509 is supported. >> Preliminary tests indicate that the ep0 driver in the 10/02 beta is >> in less of a functioning state than ever. (Does anybody know how to >> get the blasted 3C509 programmers' specs?) > Write to 3com. Okay. They haven't responded, so I was wondering. >> Now, after making world, compiling a new kernel, and rebooting, I >> get a string of SCSI probe messages during boot: [snip > These have already been discussed. If you don't boot with -v, you > won't see them. Sorry, missed that discussion during my search. Thanks, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 18:04:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA06531 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:04:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06438 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:04:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA03394; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:33:47 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id KAA03492; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:33:42 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981009103342.E3369@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:33:42 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: ben@rosengart.com, John Polstra Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Code freeze (was: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ?) References: <199810081920.MAA23658@austin.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Snob Art Genre on Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 05:37:41PM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 8 October 1998 at 17:37:41 -0400, Snob Art Genre wrote: > On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, John Polstra wrote: > >> In any case, given that a code freeze is in effect, > > You're kidding. Since when? Since yesterday midday our time. I've been tracking new feature commits, and there hasn't been one since then. I suppose the next question is "When are we going to start Beta?" Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 18:06:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA06869 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:06:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mordred.cs.ucla.edu (Mordred.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.48.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06780 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:05:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scottm@mordred.cs.ucla.edu) Received: from mordred.cs.ucla.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mordred.cs.ucla.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA18386 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:05:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scottm@mordred.cs.ucla.edu) Message-Id: <199810090105.SAA18386@mordred.cs.ucla.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: What's with libexec these days? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:05:05 -0700 From: Scott Michel Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG '#include ' needs to be put in /src/lib/libutils/libutil.h. Otherwise it's really difficult to build world. :-) -scooter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 18:13:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08591 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:13:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08455 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:12:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA03417; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:42:09 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id KAA03517; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:42:02 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981009104202.G3369@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:42:02 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Doug Rabson , Brian Feldman Cc: Brian Feldman , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: LKM conversions (was: your mail) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Doug Rabson on Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 11:05:22AM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 8 October 1998 at 11:05:22 +0100, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Brian Feldman wrote: > >> I meant, how does it _look_, because it seems to work just fine, despite >> lower-level kldload things not working. such as, green_Saver kldloading >> will cause a trap 12 in IP 0xf012929d, lookup_symbol I believe. No working >> panics, so no good debugging :( Lemme guess, you can't panic on a DDB >> trap? > > Most of the LKMs have not been converted to the new style. I believe that > Peter Wemm is working on this right now. You might like to drop him a > line. Vinum has not been (and will not be by 15 October) converted. There are several reasons for this: 1. The Vinum LKM was committed two minutes before a deadline on 15 September. 2. At this point, there had been no mention that LKMs were not supported in 3.0, nor that the kernel would be ELF. 3. At this point, no LKMs had been converted to KLDs. 4. The current ELF kernel doesn't support ddb, so it's impractical to develop code on this platform. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 18:15:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09004 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:15:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wi.net (wi.net [204.95.193.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08871 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:14:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from admin@zdnet.net) Received: from zdnet.net (207.250.189.243) by wi.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2); Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:16:54 +0000 Message-ID: <361D631E.194190FD@zdnet.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 20:13:02 -0500 From: Rudy Reply-To: admin@zdnet.net Organization: Zone Digital Networks X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ADD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG please add me to the list.... admin@zdnet.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 18:21:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10611 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:21:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10488 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:21:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02069; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:25:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810090125.SAA02069@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Joel Ray Holveck cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BETA problems In-reply-to: Your message of "08 Oct 1998 19:59:56 CDT." <86vhluft2r.fsf@detlev.UUCP> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:25:24 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Mike Smith writes: > > >> At the beginning of this weekend, I started installing the 0928 > >> beta. Due to phone line quality issues out here, it took two days, > >> and ended with me installing the necessary stuff plus the (then > >> released) 1002 source, and then doing a make world. (One suggestion: > >> If an install fails due to a network failure, restart at the block > >> instead of at the distribution.) > > Owing to the way the blocks are compressed, you can't do this. You > > have to start at the beginning. > > I haven't studied this closely, but Gary said that it's because the > entire segment is a single gzipped stream, and that doing so would > cause a restart midstream. > > I just glanced over the zlib sources, and started wondering. Would it > be possible to copy the state of the decompression engine, in > anticipation of failure? How expensive would it be? We don't have access to that state, because tar forks copy of gzip to do its work. If we were doing the decompression internally, I think it would be reasonably straightforward. > >> In the release notes, we say that the 3C509 is supported. > >> Preliminary tests indicate that the ep0 driver in the 10/02 beta is > >> in less of a functioning state than ever. (Does anybody know how to > >> get the blasted 3C509 programmers' specs?) > > Write to 3com. > > Okay. They haven't responded, so I was wondering. You might want to ask Bill Paul (wpaul@freebsd.org) who he has spoken to there; I know he didn't have too much trouble getting the '590 docs. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 18:32:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13083 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:32:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12908 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:31:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA03500; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:00:37 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id LAA03631; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:00:24 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981009110023.K3369@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:00:23 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Roger Greenlee , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help with Beta 3 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Roger Greenlee on Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 03:56:51PM -0600 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 8 October 1998 at 15:56:51 -0600, Roger Greenlee wrote: > Hello, I am new to this list and to FreeBSD... I just installed the Beta 3 > 9-28-98 version of FreeBSD. I am now trying to install fvwm window manager > and it is telling me that it cannot find X-Windows. I am using the pkg_add > command. Does anyone know a workaround for this? No workaround. The solution is to install X. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 18:38:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15146 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:38:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14978 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:38:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA03561; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:08:07 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id LAA04911; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:08:05 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981009110805.N3369@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:08:05 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: ben@rosengart.com, "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ? References: <3256.907891423@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Snob Art Genre on Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 08:26:20PM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 8 October 1998 at 20:26:20 -0400, Snob Art Genre wrote: > On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > >> It's been more of a code slush, and the rule still nonetheless in >> effect seems to be "bring it in if it's not too scarey OR if it >> represents something we really need to get out of the way before 3.0, >> or it will be more painful after." That still leaves a large number >> of things which are being deliberately postponed until after 3.0. >> They'd be nice to have, but we don't have an urgent need to cross the >> bridges they represent at this particular time. > > So when is someone going to look at the reproducible, fully documented, > weeks-old filesystem bug I posted to this list two days ago? Would a > send-pr help? Yes. It's probably the only way you can get somebody to look at it. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 18:55:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19583 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:55:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19536 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:54:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost by echonyc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA24801; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:54:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Snob Art Genre Reply-To: ben@rosengart.com To: Greg Lehey cc: ben@rosengart.com, "Jordan K. Hubbard" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ? In-Reply-To: <19981009110805.N3369@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > Yes. It's probably the only way you can get somebody to look at it. Sent. Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 20:13:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01294 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:13:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01286 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:13:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id XAA07710; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:15:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Roger Greenlee cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help with Beta 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Roger Greenlee wrote: > Hello, I am new to this list and to FreeBSD... I just installed the Beta 3 > 9-28-98 version of FreeBSD. I am now trying to install fvwm window manager > and it is telling me that it cannot find X-Windows. I am using the pkg_add > command. Does anyone know a workaround for this? Ok first of all, and dont take offense to this, you should NOT be running -current or any BETA. You need to install a -RELEASE. 2.2.7 is the latest release. Once you install 2.2.7, to get a window manager to work you have to install X. Install ports, cd /usr/ports/x11/XFree86 ; make Once it builds and your happy with your selection of video server and the like do make install. Then go install your window manager. Chris -- "You both seem to be ignoring the fact that the networking market is driven by so-called 'IT professionals' these days, most of whom can't tell the difference between an ARP and a carp." -Wes Peters ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.7 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 20:48:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07982 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:48:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA07858 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:48:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zRTX0-0005F7-00; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:47:54 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA09346 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:47:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199810090347.VAA09346@harmony.village.org> Subject: Re: Code freeze (was: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ?) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:33:42 +0930." <19981009103342.E3369@freebie.lemis.com> References: <19981009103342.E3369@freebie.lemis.com> <199810081920.MAA23658@austin.polstra.com> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:47:31 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Last time I checked, we were not in code freeze. We have been in a feature freeze since Sept 15, but new features have been added since then, by special arrangement with the release engineer. Code freeze doesn't happen until on or about Oct 15 when Jordan starts the release process, assuming that we're ready. : I suppose the next question is "When are we going to start Beta?" When 3.0.0 ships, just like everyone else in the biz :-). Back when Jordan announced this date, it was made clear that we can do this now, so we can get into line for pressing CDs for the xmas rush, or we wait until approximately February to make the release. The window to do a release this year and have CDs before January is closing. I don't think there is anything so majorly broken with with FreeBSD to slip the release out 5 months. From my vantage point, 3.0.0 appears like it is going to be fairly stable, but rough around many edges. In the absense of the CD pressing windows, I'd likely argue slipping things out about a month given the level of activity that I'm seeing in the commit messages. It isn't the best possible way of doing a release, but it I find it to be good enough, especially for an organization like FreeBSD. In many ways 3.0 represents such a large improvement in so many areas that it is likely going to be a win to get it out sooner rather than later. The only reason to hold up FreeBSD 3.0.0 that I can think of is if there is some huge, ugly data corruption bug (or similar) that needs to be killed. All of this is just IMHO. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 21:08:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12282 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:08:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA12195 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:07:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA14576; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:07:41 +1000 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:07:41 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199810090407.OAA14576@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: dfr@nlsystems.com, green@zone.syracuse.net, grog@lemis.com Subject: Re: LKM conversions (was: your mail) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, green@unixhelp.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Vinum has not been (and will not be by 15 October) converted. There >are several reasons for this: > >1. The Vinum LKM was committed two minutes before a deadline on 15 > September. > >2. At this point, there had been no mention that LKMs were not > supported in 3.0, nor that the kernel would be ELF. That's because the kernel and LKMs won't be ELF in 3.0. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 21:30:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16277 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:30:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16178 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:29:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/Spinner) with ESMTP id LAA04031; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:57:21 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199810090357.LAA04031@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Greg Lehey cc: Doug Rabson , Brian Feldman , Brian Feldman , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LKM conversions (was: your mail) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:42:02 +0930." <19981009104202.G3369@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:57:20 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > On Thursday, 8 October 1998 at 11:05:22 +0100, Doug Rabson wrote: > > On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Brian Feldman wrote: > > > >> I meant, how does it _look_, because it seems to work just fine, despite > >> lower-level kldload things not working. such as, green_Saver kldloading > >> will cause a trap 12 in IP 0xf012929d, lookup_symbol I believe. No working > >> panics, so no good debugging :( Lemme guess, you can't panic on a DDB > >> trap? Brian, the code in the tree at present is horrifially incomplete and has some real problems. > > Most of the LKMs have not been converted to the new style. I believe that > > Peter Wemm is working on this right now. You might like to drop him a > > line. > > Vinum has not been (and will not be by 15 October) converted. There > are several reasons for this: > > 1. The Vinum LKM was committed two minutes before a deadline on 15 > September. > > 2. At this point, there had been no mention that LKMs were not > supported in 3.0, nor that the kernel would be ELF. > > 3. At this point, no LKMs had been converted to KLDs. > > 4. The current ELF kernel doesn't support ddb, so it's impractical to > develop code on this platform. Yes, it does. It just hasn't been committed yet until it's *clear* that it does and will all work. Even then, there will be absolutely nothing stopping somebody building an a.out kernel, or whatever. The stuff that's being worked on is not a forced change, it's meant to get the technology out there. I'm running right now (on the machine that I'm typing this) on an ELF kernel that supports dynamic modules, either loaded via kldload(8) or via /boot/loader. peter@overcee[12:12pm]~-100> kldstat Id Refs Address Size Name 1 2 0xf0100000 17f998 kernel 2 1 0xf0280000 1b20 testmod.ko Testmod.ko (like a .so, but it's *not* PIC so there's no speed penalty) was automatically "there" as a result of my boot.conf file. DDB can see all this stuff just nicely, *including* the testmod.ko symbols - no more tracebacks showing offsets from _end. I have a couple more things to fix and then it's done. BTW; LKM's convert to KLD modules quite simply, but the tools to do it are not in the tree. A modified gensetdefs is needed (at present). > Greg Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 21:47:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA18586 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:47:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA18581 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:47:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id VAA25375; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma025373; Thu Oct 8 21:47:08 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id VAA23251; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:47:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199810090447.VAA23251@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: installworld and softupdates In-Reply-To: <199810082239.PAA20091@usr06.primenet.com> from Terry Lambert at "Oct 8, 98 10:39:09 pm" To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Cc: thomma@BayNetworks.COM, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert writes: > > I have a machine whose / partition is 32MB and about 10MB > > space left. Softupdates is enabled on / as well as other > > partitions. > > > > The buildworld completes with a hitch. Then installworld always > > fails when updating /sbin with / file system full. > > After the failure, when I did df, I saw 9MB left. > > > > Then I thought that softupdates was delay^H^H^H^H^Hoptimizing the > > temporary file space reclaim which install -s (stripping) creates and > > deletes very quickly during installworld. > > > > It turned off softupdates and tried installworld. > > > > Bingo! It completed. > > > > So be careful when your / is running out and do make world/installworld. > > Disk space held by uncommitted deletes depending on other operations > is, by definition, not reusable until such time as the operations are > committed. Another way of looking at it is this: softupdates breaks the traditional "contract" (whether it was really a contract or not is for debate) that when a file removal completes, the disk space taken by the file is then immediately available for re-use. Instead, it is only guaranteed to become available a short time later in the future. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 22:10:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22718 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:10:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA22684 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:10:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA01668; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 01:15:15 -0400 From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199810090515.BAA01668@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: BETA problems To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 01:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Cc: joelh@gnu.org, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810090125.SAA02069@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Oct 8, 98 06:25:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Mike Smith had to walk into mine and say: > > Mike Smith writes: > > > > >> At the beginning of this weekend, I started installing the 0928 > > >> beta. Due to phone line quality issues out here, it took two days, > > >> and ended with me installing the necessary stuff plus the (then > > >> released) 1002 source, and then doing a make world. (One suggestion: > > >> If an install fails due to a network failure, restart at the block > > >> instead of at the distribution.) > > > Owing to the way the blocks are compressed, you can't do this. You > > > have to start at the beginning. > > > > I haven't studied this closely, but Gary said that it's because the > > entire segment is a single gzipped stream, and that doing so would > > cause a restart midstream. > > > > I just glanced over the zlib sources, and started wondering. Would it > > be possible to copy the state of the decompression engine, in > > anticipation of failure? How expensive would it be? > > We don't have access to that state, because tar forks copy of gzip to > do its work. If we were doing the decompression internally, I think it > would be reasonably straightforward. > > > >> In the release notes, we say that the 3C509 is supported. > > >> Preliminary tests indicate that the ep0 driver in the 10/02 beta is > > >> in less of a functioning state than ever. (Does anybody know how to > > >> get the blasted 3C509 programmers' specs?) > > > Write to 3com. > > > > Okay. They haven't responded, so I was wondering. > > You might want to ask Bill Paul (wpaul@freebsd.org) who he has spoken > to there; I know he didn't have too much trouble getting the '590 docs. Well, that may have been because I put down "Columbia University" under "organization" in the order form. :) (Well, I _do_ work there.) (And it was the 905 docs, not the 590. Yes, I know, it's confusing: the 3c509 is an ISA card, the 3c905 is a PCI card, and there are all sorts of others in between.) Who knows how long it would have taken if I had said "FreeBSD Inc." instead. :) Anyway. I started out by calling up 3Com tech support on the phone. After eventually navigating my way to a human, they opened up a support call for me and eventually I was told that the thing to do is to call their faxback service and request the "developer's order form" which I believe is document #9070. This form has a list of technical manuals you can order; you should be able to request the docs for the 3c509/509B, the 3c59x and the 3c90x cards. You can even request manuals for the 3c503 Etherlink II and earlier cards. Note that the form that I originally got from the faxback system was old and did not list the 3c90x cards, however I sent e-mail to Terry_Murphy@3Com.com and she informed me that the form was out of date and that I could just write in that I wanted the 3c90x manual at the bottom of the page and fax it in anyway. I received my manuals by Airborne Express a couple days later. Along with the manuals was a newer version of the order form with the 3c90x cards included. Once you have the form filled in, fax it back to the number printed on the form and wait. 3Com should ship you the manuals in short order, free of charge. There's no non-disclosure nonsense to sign (unlike _some_ vendors I could mention; are you listening Intel?). There's also a contact number for Terry listed on the form in case you have questions. Note that I did order copies of the 3c509 manuals just for giggles. I actually have a spare one that I don't need. If somebody wants it, and can't get one from 3Com for some reason, I can be pursuaded to drop it in the mail. -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" ============================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 22:25:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA24725 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:25:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from merlin.camalott.com (merlin.camalott.com [208.229.74.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24715 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:25:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joelh@gnu.org) Received: from detlev.UUCP (tex-94.camalott.com [208.229.74.94]) by merlin.camalott.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA27306; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:27:00 -0500 Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA10983; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:23:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from joelh) To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: BETA problems References: <199810090125.SAA02069@dingo.cdrom.com> From: Joel Ray Holveck Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: 09 Oct 1998 00:22:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: Mike Smith's message of "Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:25:24 -0700" Message-ID: <86u31efgwc.fsf@detlev.UUCP> Lines: 57 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith writes: >>>>> (One suggestion: If an install fails due to a network failure, >>>>> restart at the block instead of at the distribution.) >>>> Owing to the way the blocks are compressed, you can't do this. >>>> You have to start at the beginning. >>> I haven't studied this closely, but Gary said that it's because the >>> entire segment is a single gzipped stream, and that doing so would >>> cause a restart midstream. >> I just glanced over the zlib sources, and started wondering. Would >> it be possible to copy the state of the decompression engine, in >> anticipation of failure? How expensive would it be? > We don't have access to that state, because tar forks copy of gzip to > do its work. If we were doing the decompression internally, I think > it would be reasonably straightforward. It is possibly easier if we have a separate gzip. (The following is based on the assumption that all blocks, cat'd together, contain a single .tar.gz in its entirety.) Consider the following. (Gross hack follows.) We don't have to let tar do the gzip. We can create the pipe in sysinstall, feed our data to gzip, and pipe that straight to tar. Start gzip with an extra fd, say, fd 3, that is half of a socketpair created by sysinstall. Upon receiving a SIGUSR1, gzip is to fork. The child then creates a new pipe, passes the input side (with the new child's pid) up fd3 (using the recently-discussed SCM_RIGHTS method), and dup2's the output side to stdin. (The same fd3 and stdout can be used throughout the process; no new descriptors need to be created there.) Now, sysinstall SIGUSR1's the gzip before each block, and remembers the pid and fd of the pipe to the resultant child. If the block succeeds, then the child is killed. If not, then the original gzip is killed, and the block is restarted with the child gzip (which contains the state of gzip before the failed block). Do the same to tar. However, for tar, the new SIGUSR1'd child also records the name (or inode) of the current file, and its current position. Upon receiving a SIGUSR2, it will reopen the file, seek, and carry on. This actually sounds fairly like it could be implemented straightforwardly and with minimal resource consumption. As a bonus, it would be extending tar -z to handle transient errors on other multiple-volume .tar.gz backups, such as a network tape drive going offline. However, since I'm presently operating at a late hour, not to mention the number of beers consumed, I'd like some other people's ideas. Any thoughts? Happy hacking, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 23:23:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA05101 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:23:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.scancall.no (www.scancall.no [195.139.183.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA05036 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:23:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no) Received: from super2.langesund.scancall.no [195.139.183.29] by www with smtp id IYMEPAIK; Fri, 09 Oct 98 06:23:00 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.04r6) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981009081804.0092a100@mail.scancall.no> X-Sender: Marius@mail.scancall.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:18:04 +0200 To: Warner Losh From: Marius Bendiksen Subject: Re: Code freeze (was: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ?) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810090347.VAA09346@harmony.village.org> References: <19981009103342.E3369@freebie.lemis.com> <199810081920.MAA23658@austin.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Last time I checked, we were not in code freeze. We have been in a >feature freeze since Sept 15, but new features have been added since >then, by special arrangement with the release engineer. Code freeze >doesn't happen until on or about Oct 15 when Jordan starts the release >process, assuming that we're ready. Ehrm... Allow me to quote someone a while back; a core team member, iirc. "FreeBSD 3.0 goes out on October 15th, come hell or high water." That does not sound like 'assuming that we're ready' to me... --- Marius Bendiksen, IT-Trainee, ScanCall AS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 8 23:42:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA07741 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:42:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.scancall.no (www.scancall.no [195.139.183.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA07728 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:42:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no) Received: from super2.langesund.scancall.no [195.139.183.29] by www with smtp id IYMJBPTJ; Fri, 09 Oct 98 06:42:15 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.04r6) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981009083720.00929a20@mail.scancall.no> X-Sender: Marius@mail.scancall.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:37:20 +0200 To: "David E. Cross" From: Marius Bendiksen Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199810081905.MAA26707@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Slight problem, disk caching. If you are going to ping the drive every N >time units as a 'keep-alive', those blocks will very quickly get cached; >unless you devise some clever algorithm that will always ensure that you >get a block not in the cache (consider the cache could me a megabyte or >more in size, and this gets tricky) So, we'll need some function to flush the cache, or do uncached i/o... --- Marius Bendiksen, IT-Trainee, ScanCall AS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 00:24:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13470 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:24:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from math.berkeley.edu (math.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.183.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA13398 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:24:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@math.berkeley.edu) Received: (from dan@localhost) by math.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA04734; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:23:49 -0700 (PDT) From: dan@math.berkeley.edu (Dan Strick) Message-Id: <199810090723.AAA04734@math.berkeley.edu> To: Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no Subject: Re: Code freeze (was: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ?) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Ehrm... Allow me to quote someone a while back; a core team member, iirc. > "FreeBSD 3.0 goes out on October 15th, come hell or high water." That > does not sound like 'assuming that we're ready' to me... We can always use the cd-roms as paddles. Dan Strick dan@math.berkeley.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 00:42:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA16718 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:42:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from solaris.matti.ee (solaris.matti.ee [194.126.98.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA16629 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:41:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@myhakas.matti.ee) Received: from myhakas.matti.ee (root@myhakas [194.126.98.150]) by solaris.matti.ee (8.8.8/8.8.8.s) with ESMTP id KAA21139; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:41:06 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from root@localhost) by myhakas.matti.ee (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA03367; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:41:07 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from root) Message-ID: <19981009104107.A3324@matti.ee> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:41:07 +0300 From: Vallo Kallaste To: "Justin T. Gibbs" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Seagate drive lockup Reply-To: vallo@matti.ee References: <000901bdf2cf$68be5ca0$0100a8c0@heather.my.domain> <199810082050.OAA22210@narnia.plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199810082050.OAA22210@narnia.plutotech.com>; from Justin T. Gibbs on Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 02:50:29PM -0600 Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?AS_Matti_B=FCrootehnika?= Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Justin T. Gibbs" wrote: > > Oct 8 07:51:31 plover /kernel.test: SSTAT1 == 0x2 > > There is something wrong with your cable, termination or both. > Either the drive or the controller missed a REQ or ACK on the bus, > which caused this hang. Remove any kinks from your cable. Route > it away from the power supply and processor. Use a disk drive or > external active (or force perfect) terminator on the bus. *** Just some questions. Do all newer SCSI drives support active termination inside ? How good is that kind of termination provided by disks itself compared to external active terminators ? I haven't found any remarks, only comments about termination capability. Thanks Vallo Kallaste vallo@matti.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 01:54:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA23963 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 01:54:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from chen.ml.org (luoqi.watermarkgroup.com [207.202.73.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA23958 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 01:54:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luoqi@chen.ml.org) Received: (from luoqi@localhost) by chen.ml.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA24980 for current@freebsd.org; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 04:54:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from luoqi) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 04:54:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Luoqi Chen Message-Id: <199810090854.EAA24980@chen.ml.org> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: put elf obj tree directly underneath /usr/obj Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It's been quite inconvenient ever since the build object tree was relocated to /usr/obj/elf. Everytime I make a small change to an application program, I have to rebuild it with "MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/elf make". Is there any reason why the elf object tree has to be in a subdirectory of /usr/obj? Can we simply place the elf object tree in /usr/obj and aout object tree in /usr/obj/aout? -lq To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 02:11:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA25304 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:11:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA25299 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:11:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.254]) by mail.ftf.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8/gw-ftf-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA20379; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:16:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host [192.168.100.254] claimed to be mail.prosa.dk Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.8/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA10461; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:29:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.8/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) id LAA09741; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:21:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19981009112154.45808@deepo.prosa.dk> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:21:54 +0200 From: Philippe Regnauld To: Marius Bendiksen Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk References: <199810081905.MAA26707@usr08.primenet.com> <3.0.5.32.19981009083720.00929a20@mail.scancall.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981009083720.00929a20@mail.scancall.no>; from Marius Bendiksen on Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 08:37:20AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386 Phone: +45 3336 4148 Address: Ahlefeldtsgade 16, 1359 Copenhagen K, Denmark Organization: PROSA Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Marius Bendiksen writes: > >Slight problem, disk caching. If you are going to ping the drive every N > >time units as a 'keep-alive', those blocks will very quickly get cached; > >unless you devise some clever algorithm that will always ensure that you > >get a block not in the cache (consider the cache could me a megabyte or > >more in size, and this gets tricky) > > So, we'll need some function to flush the cache, or do uncached i/o... We're talking about the CD-ROM's own cache. It's likely you can't disable it on cheapo IDE models (some IDE guru prove me wrong-- Søren ?), so you'll need to do like mentioned before: read random blocks, _and stop doing that while you're doing "legitimate" I/O_ (that means probably hacking the driver in some way, with a timer). -- -[ Philippe Regnauld / sysadmin / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk / +55.4N +11.3E ]- The Internet is busy. Please try again later. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 02:29:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA27405 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:29:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA27389 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:29:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA05977; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:29:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Luoqi Chen cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: put elf obj tree directly underneath /usr/obj In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 Oct 1998 04:54:26 EDT." <199810090854.EAA24980@chen.ml.org> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 02:29:22 -0700 Message-ID: <5974.907925362@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It's been quite inconvenient ever since the build object tree was relocated t o > /usr/obj/elf. Everytime I make a small change to an application program, I ha ve > to rebuild it with "MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/elf make". Is there any reason > why the elf object tree has to be in a subdirectory of /usr/obj? Can we simpl y > place the elf object tree in /usr/obj and aout object tree in /usr/obj/aout? Hear hear! I heartily second this motion! :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 02:47:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA00234 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:47:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA00206 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:47:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA15498; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:50:10 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199810090950.TAA15498@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: put elf obj tree directly underneath /usr/obj In-Reply-To: <199810090854.EAA24980@chen.ml.org> from Luoqi Chen at "Oct 9, 98 04:54:26 am" To: luoqi@chen.ml.org (Luoqi Chen) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:50:09 +1000 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luoqi Chen wrote: > It's been quite inconvenient ever since the build object tree was relocated to > /usr/obj/elf. Everytime I make a small change to an application program, I have > to rebuild it with "MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/elf make". Is there any reason > why the elf object tree has to be in a subdirectory of /usr/obj? Can we simply > place the elf object tree in /usr/obj and aout object tree in /usr/obj/aout? Only when we've left it long enough for people not to mix previous aout builds that might be lingering in /usr/obj with elf ones. We should only do this when we no longer support aout. Work is still required to get to that point. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 02:47:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA00252 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:47:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA00221 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:47:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA05045 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:17:08 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id TAA29807; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:17:02 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981009191702.C3369@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:17:02 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD current users Subject: Make world breakage in libexec/getty Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I get: ===> libexec/getty cc -nostdinc -O -pipe -I/usr/obj/aout/T/src/FREEBIE/src/tmp/usr/include -c /T/src/FREEBIE/src/libexec/getty/main.c In file included from /T/src/FREEBIE/src/libexec/getty/main.c:58: /usr/obj/aout/T/src/FREEBIE/src/tmp/usr/include/libutil.h:60: parse error before `*' *** Error code 1 Backing out revision 1.23 of main.c fixes it. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 03:36:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA06428 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:36:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA06413 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:36:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA06500; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:36:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Greg Lehey cc: FreeBSD current users Subject: Re: Make world breakage in libexec/getty In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 Oct 1998 19:17:02 +0930." <19981009191702.C3369@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 03:36:00 -0700 Message-ID: <6497.907929360@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Already fixed this afternoon. Please re-sync. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 04:17:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA13237 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 04:17:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from amadeus.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de (amadeus.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de [141.31.111.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA13172 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 04:16:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from henry@MX.BA-Stuttgart.De) Received: from [141.31.111.20] (hvppc.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de [141.31.111.20]) by amadeus.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de with ESMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id NAA07282; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:15:51 +0200 (METDST) Message-Id: <199810091115.NAA07282@amadeus.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:15:13 +0200 Subject: Re: Make world breakage in libexec/getty From: "Henry Vogt" To: Greg Lehey , FreeBSD current users Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, > >===> libexec/getty >cc -nostdinc -O -pipe -I/usr/obj/aout/T/src/FREEBIE/src/tmp/usr/include >-c /T/src/FREEBIE/src/libexec/getty/main.c >In file included from /T/src/FREEBIE/src/libexec/getty/main.c:58: >/usr/obj/aout/T/src/FREEBIE/src/tmp/usr/include/libutil.h:60: parse error >before `*' >*** Error code 1 > >Backing out revision 1.23 of main.c fixes it. > >Greg I also had to backout 1.18 of lib/libutil/libutil.h itself. Henry -- // // Do you suffer from long term memory loss ? // - I don't remember:-( // // Henry Vogt, FR Informationstechnik an der Berufsakademie Stuttgart. // e-mail: hv@BA-Stuttgart.De Tel. (dienstl.): 0711/6673-6967 // http://www.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de/~hv To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 04:26:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA14511 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 04:26:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA14506 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 04:26:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rkw@Dataplex.NET) Received: from [208.2.87.5] (user5.dataplex.net [208.2.87.5]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA13396; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:26:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199810090950.TAA15498@cimlogic.com.au> References: <199810090854.EAA24980@chen.ml.org> from Luoqi Chen at "Oct 9, 98 04:54:26 am" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:09:37 -0500 To: John Birrell From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: put elf obj tree directly underneath /usr/obj Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 4:50 AM -0500 10/9/98, John Birrell wrote: >Luoqi Chen wrote: >> It's been quite inconvenient ever since the build object tree was >>relocated to >> /usr/obj/elf. Everytime I make a small change to an application program, >>I have >> to rebuild it with "MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/elf make". Is there any reason >> why the elf object tree has to be in a subdirectory of /usr/obj? Can we >>simply >> place the elf object tree in /usr/obj and aout object tree in /usr/obj/aout? > >Only when we've left it long enough for people not to mix previous aout >builds that might be lingering in /usr/obj with elf ones. We should only do >this when we no longer support aout. Work is still required to get to that >point. Or, alternately, why not allow a target that "cleans out the legacy pitfalls" by "rm -f /usr/obj/*" and installs a "cookie" in /etc/objformat to define the elf object root. In the master Makefile, you would add /usr/obj/elf/ as the default case. Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 04:40:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA15932 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 04:40:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA15841 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 04:40:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA27535; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:37:29 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199810091137.NAA27535@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: put elf obj tree directly underneath /usr/obj In-Reply-To: <199810090950.TAA15498@cimlogic.com.au> from John Birrell at "Oct 9, 98 07:50:09 pm" To: jb@cimlogic.com.au (John Birrell) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:37:29 +0200 (SAT) Cc: luoqi@chen.ml.org, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Luoqi Chen wrote: > > It's been quite inconvenient ever since the build object tree was relocated to > > /usr/obj/elf. Everytime I make a small change to an application program, I have > > to rebuild it with "MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/elf make". Is there any reason > > why the elf object tree has to be in a subdirectory of /usr/obj? Can we simply > > place the elf object tree in /usr/obj and aout object tree in /usr/obj/aout? > > Only when we've left it long enough for people not to mix previous aout > builds that might be lingering in /usr/obj with elf ones. We should only do > this when we no longer support aout. Work is still required to get to that > point. Ok, what about making MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/elf the default on elf systems then? Then it can stay like that for ever. John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 04:46:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA16669 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 04:46:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from amadeus.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de (amadeus.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de [141.31.111.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA16661 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 04:46:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from henry@MX.BA-Stuttgart.De) Received: from [141.31.111.20] (hvppc.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de [141.31.111.20]) by amadeus.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de with ESMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id NAA08578; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:45:40 +0200 (METDST) Message-Id: <199810091145.NAA08578@amadeus.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:45:48 +0200 Subject: Re: Make world breakage in libexec/getty From: "Henry Vogt" To: Henry Vogt , Greg Lehey , FreeBSD current users Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello again, > >> >>===> libexec/getty >>cc -nostdinc -O -pipe -I/usr/obj/aout/T/src/FREEBIE/src/tmp/usr/include >>-c /T/src/FREEBIE/src/libexec/getty/main.c >>In file included from /T/src/FREEBIE/src/libexec/getty/main.c:58: >>/usr/obj/aout/T/src/FREEBIE/src/tmp/usr/include/libutil.h:60: parse error >>before `*' >>*** Error code 1 >> >>Backing out revision 1.23 of main.c fixes it. >> >>Greg > >I also had to backout 1.18 of lib/libutil/libutil.h itself. > >Henry > Sorry I was wrong. This is not sufficient:-( It now stops with ------- C U T ------- gzip -cn /usr/src/libexec/getty/getty.8 > getty.8.gz --- main.o --- /usr/src/libexec/getty/main.c:140: conflicting types for `puts' /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/stdio.h:231: previous declaration of `puts' *** Error code 1 1 error ------- C U T ------- Henry -- // // Do you suffer from long term memory loss ? // - I don't remember:-( // // Henry Vogt, FR Informationstechnik an der Berufsakademie Stuttgart. // e-mail: hv@BA-Stuttgart.De Tel. (dienstl.): 0711/6673-6967 // http://www.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de/~hv To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 07:34:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10376 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:34:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA10359 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:34:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hvergelmir.ifi.uio.no (2602@hvergelmir.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.129]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id QAA02685 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:34:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hvergelmir.ifi.uio.no ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:34:15 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: build failure Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 09 Oct 1998 16:34:14 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 47 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id HAA10372 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been trying to make world for ~20 hours (every time with the freshest sources available). This jumps up and bites my arse every time. I've tried running it by hand, and it works fine... -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Building legacy boot -------------------------------------------------------------- cd /usr/src/sys/boot && PATH=/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/sbin:/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/bin:/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin:/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/games BISON_SIMPLE=/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/misc/bison.simple COMPILER_PATH=/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec:/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin GCC_EXEC_PREFIX=/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/aout:/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/aout LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/aout:/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib OBJFORMAT_PATH=/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec CFLAGS="-nostdinc -O -pipe" /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin/make DESTDIR=/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp -DNOMAN depend; PATH=/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/sbin:/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/bin:/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin:/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/games BISON_SIMPLE=/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/misc/bison.simple COMPILER_PATH=/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec:/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin GCC_EXEC_PREFIX=/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/aout:/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/aout LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/aout:/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib OBJFORMAT_PATH=/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec CFLAGS="-nostdinc -O -pipe" /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin/make DESTDIR=/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp -DNOMAN all ===> i386 ===> i386/boot0 ===> i386/btx ===> i386/btx/btx ===> i386/btx/btxldr ===> i386/btx/lib ===> i386/libi386 ===> i386/loader ===> i386 ===> i386/boot0 Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot0 (cd /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot0; m4 boot0.m4 boot0.s) | as -o boot0.o {standard input}: Assembler messages: {standard input}:245: Error: Bad Absolute Expression, absolute 0 assumed. {standard input}:245: Warning: Repeat < 0, .fill ignored *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. Script done, output file is /var/log/make.19981009 DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 08:38:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA19719 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:38:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA19705 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:38:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01817; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:38:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199810091538.IAA01817@austin.polstra.com> To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no Subject: Re: build failure In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:38:18 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article , Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= wrote: > I've been trying to make world for ~20 hours (every time with the > freshest sources available). This jumps up and bites my arse every > time. I've tried running it by hand, and it works fine... ... > ===> i386/boot0 > Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot0 > (cd /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot0; m4 boot0.m4 boot0.s) | as -o boot0.o > {standard input}: Assembler messages: > {standard input}:245: Error: Bad Absolute Expression, absolute 0 assumed. > {standard input}:245: Warning: Repeat < 0, .fill ignored > *** Error code 1 During make world, this is being assembled by the a.out assembler. But when you do it by hand, you get the elf assembler. I haven't been following this code, and don't know which assembler is supposed to be used here. The a.out assembler can't handle this, on line 223 of boot0.s: .fill start+PRT_OFF-0x3-.,0x1,0x90 I'm a little bit surprised that the ELF assembler can handle this. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 09:38:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01848 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:38:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01841 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:38:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02721; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:38:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199810091638.KAA02721@pluto.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: vallo@matti.ee cc: "Justin T. Gibbs" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Seagate drive lockup In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:41:07 +0300." <19981009104107.A3324@matti.ee> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:31:39 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Just some questions. Do all newer SCSI drives support active >termination inside ? Anything that doesn't use resistor packs for termination likely provides active termination. Any drive built in the last two years almost certainly uses active termination. Of course, LVD, and SCA drives do not come with termination at all. It must be provided externally. >How good is that kind of termination provided >by disks itself compared to external active terminators ? I always prefer an external terminator from a reputable source to on device termination just because I know exactly what I'm getting. If you go the external route, go with a force perfect terminator. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 10:24:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07772 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:24:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07721 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:23:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07807; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:21:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: "Henry Vogt" cc: Greg Lehey , FreeBSD current users Subject: Re: Make world breakage in libexec/getty In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:45:48 +0200." <199810091145.NAA08578@amadeus.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:21:54 -0700 Message-ID: <7802.907953714@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -current is moving fast right now folks - you'll have to update more often than this. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 10:58:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15008 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:58:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA15003 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:58:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alk@East.Sun.COM) Received: from East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id KAA07720 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:58:24 -0700 Received: from suneast.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id NAA16371; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:58:21 -0400 Received: from east.sun.com (hobo192 [129.148.7.192]) by suneast.East.Sun.COM (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02678 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alk@localhost) by east.sun.com (8.9.1/8.7.3) id MAA01181; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:55:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:55:47 -0500 (CDT) X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Reply-To: alk@pobox.com To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: inetd is ill? syslogd is anemic? X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13854.19308.314677.685227@avalon.east> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This has been occurring for almost a week -- of a sudden, I get a few hundred of these: Oct 9 12:30:22 avalon /kernel: pid 756 (inetd), uid 0: exited on signal 11 Oct 9 12:30:22 avalon /kernel: pid 757 (inetd), uid 0: exited on signal 11 Oct 9 12:30:22 avalon /kernel: pid 758 (inetd), uid 0: exited on signal 11 Oct 9 12:30:22 avalon /kernel: pid 759 (inetd), uid 0: exited on signal 11 This particular instance is from a Wed 7 Oct 1:32 cvsup/buildworld/kernel in an ELF/SMP world. It seems to relate to alk 10629 0.0 29.7 119272 18652 v0 I 7:56PM 18:07.71 netscape-4.0.7 memory leaks in other things. But there's more to the story than that, because I just killed that netscape, and with 12:50PM up 2 days, 11:10, 4 users, load averages: 0.31, 0.22, 0.13 Virtual: 67504K; Resident: 14331K (37.9% of available) Swap: /dev/sd0s1b 131072 28692 102252 22% Interleaved I subsequently got a few hundred more: Oct 9 12:50:20 avalon /kernel: pid 1137 (inetd), uid 0: exited on signal 11 Oct 9 12:50:20 avalon /kernel: pid 1138 (inetd), uid 0: exited on signal 11 Oct 9 12:50:20 avalon /kernel: pid 1139 (inetd), uid 0: exited on signal 11 Oct 9 12:50:20 avalon /kernel: pid 1140 (inetd), uid 0: exited Oct 9 12:50:20 avalon /kernel: pid 1141 (inetd), uid 0: exited on signal 11 I hazard that this also illustrates a problem with the syslog facility not quite cutting it under stress. A lonely laggard just came in: Oct 9 12:53:40 avalon /kernel: pid 1171 (inetd), uid 0: exited on signal 11 Something funny about comsat? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 11:00:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15410 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:00:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lexmark.lexmark.com (interlock2.lexmark.com [192.146.101.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA15396 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:00:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fireston@lexmark.com) Received: by interlock2.lexmark.com id AA09444 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org); Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:00:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199810091800.AA09444@interlock2.lexmark.com> Received: by interlock2.lexmark.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:00:11 -0400 From: Mik Firestone Subject: Current panics with SMP, a 7880 and a 7895 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG (Mail list FreeBSD-current) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:59:48 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: fireston@lexmark.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am running a Dual Pentium Pro on an PR440FX with and AIC 7880 on board. I also have a 2940 Dual PCI card installed ( 7895 chipset ). If I boot an SMP kernel, it panics while probing the external chain on the Dual card. The kernel is freshly installed from a locally built 1998-10-07, somewhere around 4:00 am EDT. Now, it gets more interesting. The same kernel config minus the SMP options will boot. The same kernel config MINUS the 7895 chip boots as well. Methinks CAM does not like SMP and 7895 chips. Further, we ( being somewhat bored and having some spare parts ) decided to throw a normal 2940 card ( 7880 chipset ) in the machine a it booted without complaint. Did I mention we think CAM, SMP and 7895 just don't play well together? Following is the dump and the trace. Fatal trap 12:Page fault while in kernel mode mp_lock=00000002; cpuid=0; lapic.id=00000000 fault virtual address = 0x0 fault code = supervisor write, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0220ae4 stack pointer = 0x10:0xf0d89e1c frame pointer = 0x10:0xf0d89e3c code segement = base of 0x0, limit of 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, press 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 0() interupt mask = net tty bio cam <- SMP: XXX kernel: type 12 trap, code = 0 stopped at _INTREN+0x2c: movl %ecx,0(%edx) TRACE: [ on the following revisions: * $Id: kern_intr.c,v 1.20 1998/09/26 14:25:31 dfr Exp $ * $Id: pci_compat.c,v 1.11 1998/09/15 08:21:09 gibbs Exp $ * $Id: pci.c,v 1.89 1998/09/16 08:28:11 dfr Exp $ * $Id: ahc_pci.c,v 1.1 1998/09/15 07:25:33 gibbs Exp $ * $Id: autoconf.c,v 1.106 1998/09/15 10:03:42 gibbs Exp $ * $Id: init_main.c,v 1.96 1998/09/14 19:56:40 sos Exp $ and slighty reformatted ] _INTREN(a,f011f874,f15e0000,f028b654,0) @ _INTREN+0x2c _add_intrdesc(idesc=f1350e80) at _add_intrdesc+0x29 [../kern/kern_intr.c:203] _intr_connect(idesc=f1350e80) at _intr_connect+0x2e [../kern/kern_intr.c:274] _pci_map_int(config=f15d4988,func=f011f874,arg=f15e0000,maskptr=f028b654) at _pci_map_int+0x30 [ pci/pci_compat.c:182 ] _ahc_pci_attach(config_id=f105d4988,unit=2) at _ahc_pci_attach+0x5d7 [ pci/ahc_pci.c:489] _pci_drvattach(dinfo=f15d4980) at _pci_drvattach+0x5f [ pci/pci_compat.c:368] _pci_addcfg(dinfo==f15d4980) at _pci_addcfg+0xcf [ pci/pci.c:475 ] _pci_probebus( bus=0 ) at _pci_probebus+0x53 [ pci/pci.c:522 ] _pci_probe( parent=0 ) at _pci_probe+0x39 [ pci/pci.c:552 ] _pci_configure() at _pci_configure+0xa _configure( dummy = 0 ) at _configure+0x27 [ i386/i386/autoconf.c: 235 ] _main( framep = f0d89fb8 ) at _main+0x86 [ kern/init_main.c: 187 ] begin() at begin+0x54 -- Mik Firestone fireston@lexmark.com If ever I become an Evil Overlord: I will never utter the sentence "But before I kill you, there's just one thing I want to know." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 12:07:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26329 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:07:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhub.scl.ameslab.gov (mailhub.scl.ameslab.gov [147.155.137.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26324 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:07:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ghelmer@scl.ameslab.gov) Received: from demios.ether.scl.ameslab.gov ([147.155.137.54] helo=demios.scl.ameslab.gov) by mailhub.scl.ameslab.gov with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 0zRhsJ-0001US-00; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:06:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:06:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Guy Helmer To: Bruce Evans cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel backtrace for recurring page fault panic In-Reply-To: <199810081516.BAA25214@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Bruce Evans wrote: > >I finally have a backtrace for a page fault panic that has been bothering > >me under -current for months (it only happens when I use cvsup); this > >kernel was built from current sources on October 2. It appears that there > >are two page faults, the first occuring in tulip_txput and the second in > >tsleep. Is this of value to the kernel gurus? > > I think this panic was reported by someone else. tulip_txput() calls > vtophys() on an invalid address for some unknown reason. The pagefault in > tsleep() is not interesting (sync() can not be called from an interrupt > handler). Thanks for the help, Bruce. I see something in if_de.c:tulip_txput() that doesn't seem correct; perhaps it is related to the problem? In tulip_txput, m0 is set to point at m at line 4267, but if "segcnt > TULIP_MAX_TXSEG" at line 4363, it looks like the original mbuf chain is freed in tulip_mbuf_compress() after a new chain is constructed. m0 is not reset to point to the new mbuf chain, but m0 is used in the do loop at line 4350 -- is this OK? Thanks again, Guy Guy Helmer, Graduate Student, Iowa State University Dept. of Computer Science Research Assistant, Ames Laboratory --- ghelmer@scl.ameslab.gov Research Assistant, Dept. of Computer Science --- ghelmer@cs.iastate.edu http://www.cs.iastate.edu/~ghelmer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 13:31:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12534 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:31:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12517 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:31:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA21450; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:33:53 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199810092033.GAA21450@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: put elf obj tree directly underneath /usr/obj In-Reply-To: <199810091137.NAA27535@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> from John Hay at "Oct 9, 98 01:37:29 pm" To: jhay@mikom.csir.co.za (John Hay) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:33:53 +1000 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, luoqi@chen.ml.org, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Hay wrote: > Ok, what about making MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/elf the default on elf > systems then? Then it can stay like that for ever. After 3.0, I'd like to change `make' to use objformat(3) (now in libc). When we upgrade the compiler to something newer, I'l like to see that installed in /usr/libexec/elf and accessed via the objformat(1) link like the other tools. This makes way for a clean cross compilation environment and only leaves the problem of the internal build tools. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 13:47:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16383 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:47:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16274 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:46:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA06144; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 22:46:27 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199810092046.WAA06144@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: put elf obj tree directly underneath /usr/obj In-Reply-To: <199810092033.GAA21450@cimlogic.com.au> from John Birrell at "Oct 10, 98 06:33:53 am" To: jb@cimlogic.com.au (John Birrell) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 22:46:27 +0200 (SAT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Ok, what about making MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/elf the default on elf > > systems then? Then it can stay like that for ever. > > After 3.0, I'd like to change `make' to use objformat(3) (now in libc). > When we upgrade the compiler to something newer, I'l like to see that > installed in /usr/libexec/elf and accessed via the objformat(1) link > like the other tools. This makes way for a clean cross compilation > environment and only leaves the problem of the internal build tools. So are we going to leave the setup like it is for 3.0? Ie. where if you do a "make world" and cd /usr/src/bin/sh (or wherever) and do a make, it use different obj directories? John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 13:48:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16473 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:48:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16398 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:47:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/Spinner) with ESMTP id EAA11356; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 04:19:18 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199810092019.EAA11356@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Guy Helmer cc: Bruce Evans , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel backtrace for recurring page fault panic In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 Oct 1998 14:06:51 EST." Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 04:19:18 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Guy Helmer wrote: > On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Bruce Evans wrote: > > > >I finally have a backtrace for a page fault panic that has been bothering > > >me under -current for months (it only happens when I use cvsup); this > > >kernel was built from current sources on October 2. It appears that there > > >are two page faults, the first occuring in tulip_txput and the second in > > >tsleep. Is this of value to the kernel gurus? > > > > I think this panic was reported by someone else. tulip_txput() calls > > vtophys() on an invalid address for some unknown reason. The pagefault in > > tsleep() is not interesting (sync() can not be called from an interrupt > > handler). > > Thanks for the help, Bruce. I see something in if_de.c:tulip_txput() that > doesn't seem correct; perhaps it is related to the problem? > > In tulip_txput, m0 is set to point at m at line 4267, but if "segcnt > > TULIP_MAX_TXSEG" at line 4363, it looks like the original mbuf chain is > freed in tulip_mbuf_compress() after a new chain is constructed. m0 > is not reset to point to the new mbuf chain, but m0 is used in the do loop > at line 4350 -- is this OK? I've been running this diff locally for a while: Index: if_de.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/pci/if_de.c,v retrieving revision 1.86 diff -u -r1.86 if_de.c --- if_de.c 1998/09/24 13:31:01 1.86 +++ if_de.c 1998/10/09 20:41:34 @@ -4264,8 +4264,8 @@ * latter case we have to recopy. */ #if !defined(TULIP_BUS_DMA) || defined(TULIP_BUS_DMA_NOTX) - m0 = m; again: + m0 = m; #endif d_status = 0; eop = nextout = ri->ri_nextout; This change is specific to the non-bus-dma version of the driver. It's a backout of one of Matt's changes some time ago that I wasn't sure about. I suspect this may be related to your problem. There are some other bugfixes that Matt has made to the if_de driver in NetBSD that we should pick up, but I wasn't game to fiddle with the driver this late. I've got a pair of cards for testing, but they are both the same chip revision - it works for me, but there's no telling what it'll do on the rest. It looks like it'll fix a few things though. > Thanks again, > Guy Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 13:54:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17562 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:54:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17493 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:54:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA21635; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:57:25 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199810092057.GAA21635@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: put elf obj tree directly underneath /usr/obj In-Reply-To: <199810092046.WAA06144@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> from John Hay at "Oct 9, 98 10:46:27 pm" To: jhay@mikom.csir.co.za (John Hay) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:57:24 +1000 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Hay wrote: > > > Ok, what about making MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/elf the default on elf > > > systems then? Then it can stay like that for ever. > > > > After 3.0, I'd like to change `make' to use objformat(3) (now in libc). > > When we upgrade the compiler to something newer, I'l like to see that > > installed in /usr/libexec/elf and accessed via the objformat(1) link > > like the other tools. This makes way for a clean cross compilation > > environment and only leaves the problem of the internal build tools. > > So are we going to leave the setup like it is for 3.0? Ie. where if you > do a "make world" and cd /usr/src/bin/sh (or wherever) and do a make, it > use different obj directories? Yes. When you cd /usr/src/bin/sh (or wherever) and do a make, you are not using WORLDTMP like `make world' does, so the behaviour is different anyway. The bug is that `make all' from /usr/src uses the obj tree that `make world' uses. This doesn't affect the release. "Developer convenience" commits have to wait until after 3.0. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 14:03:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19472 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:03:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from opus.cts.cwu.edu (opus.cts.cwu.edu [198.104.92.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19421 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:02:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu) Received: from localhost (skynyrd@localhost) by opus.cts.cwu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA22333; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:02:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Timmons To: Mik Firestone cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Current panics with SMP, a 7880 and a 7895 In-Reply-To: <199810091800.AA09444@interlock2.lexmark.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm not quite -current at the moment and there are a changes from the last few days that affect both SMP and CAM. (Catching up right now.) However, my experience with a dual-PII and a 3940AUW (are you sure that your card isn't one of these, rather than a "2940 dual card"?) has not demonstrated the problem. I am not running any external devices, however, which is probably the key to the problem. You might re-cvsup because I think there were some aic7xxx changes this morning, and you may have also missed an SMP/VM commit from yesterday. -Chris On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Mik Firestone wrote: > I am running a Dual Pentium Pro on an PR440FX with and AIC 7880 on board. I > also have a 2940 Dual PCI card installed ( 7895 chipset ). > > If I boot an SMP kernel, it panics while probing the external chain on the > Dual card. The kernel is freshly installed from a locally built 1998-10-07, > somewhere around 4:00 am EDT. > > Now, it gets more interesting. The same kernel config minus the SMP options > will boot. The same kernel config MINUS the 7895 chip boots as well. > Methinks CAM does not like SMP and 7895 chips. > > Further, we ( being somewhat bored and having some spare parts ) decided to > throw a normal 2940 card ( 7880 chipset ) in the machine a it booted without > complaint. Did I mention we think CAM, SMP and 7895 just don't play well > together? > > Following is the dump and the trace. [...] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 14:17:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22373 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:17:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lexmark.lexmark.com (interlock2.lexmark.com [192.146.101.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA22356 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:17:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fireston@lexmark.com) Received: by interlock2.lexmark.com id AA25127 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG); Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:16:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199810092116.AA25127@interlock2.lexmark.com> Received: by interlock2.lexmark.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:16:56 -0400 From: Mik Firestone Subject: Re: Current panics with SMP, a 7880 and a 7895 In-Reply-To: from Chris Timmons at "Oct 9, 1998 2: 2:45 pm" To: skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu (Chris Timmons) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:16:39 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG (Mail list FreeBSD-current) Reply-To: fireston@lexmark.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In a fit of madness, Chris Timmons wrote: > However, my experience with a dual-PII and a 3940AUW (are you sure that > your card isn't one of these, rather than a "2940 dual card"?) has not Yup. Right, bloody positive. It is a 2940 UW Dual Adaptec SCSI card with a 7895 chipset ( he says looking at the card in his hand ). > > You might re-cvsup because I think there were some aic7xxx changes this > morning, and you may have also missed an SMP/VM commit from yesterday. I will try a resup when I get home. -- Mik Firestone fireston@lexmark.com If ever I become an Evil Overlord: All slain enemies will be cremated, not left for dead at the bottom of the cliff. The announcement of their deaths, as well as any accompanying celebration, will be deferred until after the aforementioned disposal. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 14:18:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22516 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:18:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kersur.net (mail.kersur.net [199.79.199.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22476 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:17:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from druber@mail.kersur.net) Received: from localhost (druber@localhost) by mail.kersur.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA27160 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:17:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Swartzendruber To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: mergemaster question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At someone's recommendation, I built and installed mergemaster to facilitate upgrading from 2.2.7-STABLE to 3.0. When I ran it as recommended (e.g. 'mergemaster -cv'), this was the result: /usr/local/sbin/mergemaster -cv *** The directory specified for the temporary root environment, /var/tmp/temproot, exists. This can be a security risk if untrusted users have access to the system. Use 'd' to delete the old /var/tmp/temproot and continue Use 't' to select a new temporary root directory Use 'e' to exit mergemaster Default is to use /var/tmp/temproot as is How should I deal with this? [Use the existing /var/tmp/temproot] ^C news.kersur.net:/root# rm -rf /var/tmp/temproot/ news.kersur.net:/root# /usr/local/sbin/mergemaster -cv *** Creating the temporary root environment in /var/tmp/temproot *** /var/tmp/temproot ready for use *** Creating and populating directory structure in /var/tmp/temproot *** Press [Enter] or [Return] key to continue mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist -p /var/tmp/temproot/ .: gid (0, 7, modified) missing: ./bin (created) missing: ./boot (created) missing: ./dev (created) missing: ./dev/fd (created) missing: ./etc (created) missing: ./etc/periodic (created) missing: ./etc/periodic/daily (created) missing: ./etc/periodic/weekly (created) missing: ./etc/periodic/monthly (created) missing: ./etc/gnats (created) missing: ./etc/kerberosIV (created) missing: ./etc/mail (created) missing: ./etc/mtree (created) missing: ./etc/namedb (created) missing: ./etc/ppp (created) missing: ./etc/skel (created) missing: ./etc/uucp (created) missing: ./lkm (created) missing: ./mnt (created) missing: ./proc (created) missing: ./root (created) missing: ./sbin (created) missing: ./tmp (created) missing: ./usr (created) missing: ./var (created) mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.var.dist -p /var/tmp/temproot/var missing: ./account (created) missing: ./at (created) missing: ./at/jobs (created) missing: ./at/spool (created) missing: ./backups (created) missing: ./crash (created) missing: ./cron (created) missing: ./cron/tabs (created) missing: ./db (created) missing: ./games (created) missing: ./games/hackdir (created) missing: ./games/hackdir/save (created) missing: ./games/larn (created) missing: ./games/phantasia (created) missing: ./log (created) missing: ./mail (created) missing: ./msgs (created) missing: ./preserve (created) missing: ./run (created) missing: ./rwho (created) missing: ./spool (created) missing: ./spool/lock (created) missing: ./spool/lpd (created) missing: ./spool/mqueue (created) missing: ./spool/opielocks (created) missing: ./spool/output (created) missing: ./spool/output/lpd (created) missing: ./spool/uucp (created) missing: ./spool/uucp/.Preserve (created) missing: ./spool/uucp/.Sequence (created) missing: ./spool/uucp/.Status (created) missing: ./spool/uucp/.Temp (created) missing: ./spool/uucp/.Xqtdir (created) missing: ./spool/uucppublic (created) missing: ./tmp (created) missing: ./tmp/vi.recover (created) missing: ./yp (created) if [ -d /var/tmp/temproot/usr/share/locale ] ; then cd /var/tmp/temproot/usr/share/locale; for l in da_DK de_AT de_CH de_DE en_AU en_CA en_GB en_US es_ES fi_FI fr_BE fr_CA fr_CH fr_FR is_IS it_CH it_IT nl_BE nl_NL no_NO pt_PT sv_SE; do if [ -h $l.ISO_8859-1 ]; then rm $l.ISO_8859-1; fi ; done; fi mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.usr.dist -p /var/tmp/temproot/usr mtree: line 154: unknown keyword nochange *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Beginning comparison *** Comparison complete *** Do you wish to delete what is left of /var/tmp/temproot? [no] *** /var/tmp/temproot will remain Any ideas what I might have done wrong? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 14:38:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26058 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:38:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from singularity.enigami.com (singularity.enigami.com [208.140.182.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25945 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:38:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ckempf@singularity.enigami.com) Received: (from ckempf@localhost) by singularity.enigami.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA06156; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:10:12 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Locales? X-Copyright: Copyright (C) 1998 Cory Kempf. All Rights Reserved X-PGP-Fingerprint: 191E 2FB7 E27D 76C3 8E79 4D26 2B3B B20F 2A9C 1E1A X-PGP-Keyloc: ; finger ckempf@enigami.com From: Cory Kempf Date: 09 Oct 1998 17:10:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: Ollivier Robert's message of "Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:04:13 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How does one correctly set the locale? Anytime I run a perl script, I get the following: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LC_ALL = "en_US.ISO_8859.1", LANG = "EN" are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). I tried reading perllocale(1), and set the LC_ALL and LANG shell variables, but I still get the error messages. FWIW, en_US.ISO_8859.1 exists in /usr/share/locale. Thanks, +C -- Thinking of purchasing RAM from the Chip Merchant? Please read this first: Cory Kempf Macintosh / Unix Consulting & Software Development ckempf@enigami.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 14:54:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29343 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:54:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29336 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:54:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA18325; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:54:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd018282; Fri Oct 9 14:54:15 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA27936; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:54:13 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810092154.OAA27936@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: CDROM as system disk To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:54:13 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com In-Reply-To: <23544.907822753@gjp.erols.com> from "Gary Palmer" at Oct 8, 98 00:59:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > BeOS for the PowerMac boots from CDROM. So do all Compaq machines > > that support the "JumpStart(tm)" OS installation disks. > > Is that the same ''JumpStart(TM)'' that SMI uses with Solaris? :) No. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 14:58:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00199 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:58:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00192 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:58:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16182; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:58:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd016135; Fri Oct 9 14:58:09 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA28168; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:58:04 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810092158.OAA28168@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Is tickadj still required in -CURRENT ? To: ben@rosengart.com Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:58:04 +0000 (GMT) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Snob Art Genre" at Oct 8, 98 08:26:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > So when is someone going to look at the reproducible, fully documented, > weeks-old filesystem bug I posted to this list two days ago? You mean the two day old filesystem bug? ;-). > Would a send-pr help? Probably not to get a fix into 3.0, unless you included code and also sent email to a committer. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 15:08:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02189 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:08:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02121 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:07:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12568 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:07:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Still have problems building boot blocks in -current Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:07:34 -0700 Message-ID: <12564.907970854@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG cc -O2 -malign-functions=0 -malign-jumps=0 -malign-loops=0 -mno-486 -DBOOTWAIT=5000 -DTIMEOUT= -DBOOTSEG=0x1000 -DBOOTSTACK=0xFFF0 -DDO_BAD144 -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wuninitialized -Wformat -fformat-extensions -ansi -DCOMCONSOLE=0x3F8 -DCONSPEED=9600 -nostdinc -I/h/local/src/sys/i386/boot/biosboot/../../../../include -I/h/local/src/sys/i386/boot/biosboot/../../.. -I/usr/obj/h/local/src/sys/i386/boot/biosboot -N -T 0 -nostdlib -static -o boot start.o table.o boot2.o boot.o asm.o bios.o serial.o probe_keyboard.o io.o disk.o sys.o /usr/libexec/elf/ld: cannot open linker script file 0: No such file or directory *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. root@kickme-> pwd /usr/src/sys/i386/boot To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 15:10:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02455 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:10:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02393 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20055; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:09:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd020033; Fri Oct 9 15:09:25 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA28969; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:09:21 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810092209.PAA28969@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: put elf obj tree directly underneath /usr/obj To: jb@cimlogic.com.au (John Birrell) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 22:09:21 +0000 (GMT) Cc: jhay@mikom.csir.co.za, jb@cimlogic.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810092057.GAA21635@cimlogic.com.au> from "John Birrell" at Oct 10, 98 06:57:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > This doesn't affect the release. "Developer convenience" commits have to > wait until after 3.0. Tee hee. That's *sure* to guarantee 3.0 gets done faster... the more inconvenient it is for developers the faster it'll get done... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 15:21:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05151 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:21:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05053 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:20:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com) Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by narnia.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.7.3) id QAA10173; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:13:25 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:13:25 -0600 (MDT) From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Message-Id: <199810092213.QAA10173@narnia.plutotech.com> To: fireston@lexmark.com cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Current panics with SMP, a 7880 and a 7895 In-Reply-To: <199810091800.AA09444@interlock2.lexmark.com> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971204 (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.0-BETA (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I would guess that the SMP APIC/IO code is having problems routing to int b on the aic7895. Perhaps your BIOS is not capable of generating a correct mp table for a multi-function PCI chip? This should probably be redirected to the smp list. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 15:33:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08113 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:33:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08055 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:32:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA21871; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 08:35:33 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199810092235.IAA21871@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: put elf obj tree directly underneath /usr/obj In-Reply-To: <199810092209.PAA28969@usr01.primenet.com> from Terry Lambert at "Oct 9, 98 10:09:21 pm" To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 08:35:33 +1000 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, jhay@mikom.csir.co.za, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > > This doesn't affect the release. "Developer convenience" commits have to > > wait until after 3.0. > > Tee hee. That's *sure* to guarantee 3.0 gets done faster... the more > inconvenient it is for developers the faster it'll get done... I disagree (no surprise). What matters most right now is `make release'. Hacking changes to procedures at this point is not a good idea IMHO. All that serves to do is to destabilize the world. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 15:45:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10583 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:45:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.webwizard.net.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10567 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:45:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Received: from webwizard.org.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by dns.webwizard.net.mx (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA18914 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:38:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Message-ID: <361E9073.A314560F@webwizard.org.mx> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:38:43 -0500 From: Edwin Culp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: make world broken? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anyone else see this? /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec/aout/ld: /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/loader/../b tx/lib/crt0.o: malformed input file (not rel or archive) *** Error code 1 Stop. Thanks ed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 16:23:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17577 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:23:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17518 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:23:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (brian@woof.lan.awfulhak.org [172.16.0.7]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17498; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:13:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woof.lan.awfulhak.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00774; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:58:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@woof.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199810090958.KAA00774@woof.lan.awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Bill Fenner cc: Eivind Eklund , Brian Somers , Kris Kennaway , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Improper sharing of modem bandwidth In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 Oct 1998 15:21:21 PDT." <98Oct8.152124pdt.177476@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:58:48 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message <19981008211441.00286@follo.net> Eivind wrote: > >#2 is probably the best (from the view of which possibilities it > >gives), but I also suspect it is what would give most work (unless bpf > >already can be used this way; then it would just be a question of > >making PPP use it.) > > [Jumping straight in where I know none of the context...] > > i = bpf_filter(program, (u_char *)m, ip->ip_len, 0) > > is all you need to do to run BPF program "program" on the packet in > mbuf m. > > The BPF program can return the packet's priority (i.e. by looking at > TCP ports or IP TOS or whatever) and then you could order the packets > in the queue by their priority. Maybe this is over-flexible ? It would be far easier (IMHO anyway) and wouldn't require any bpf code to create an ioctl something like struct portlist { int nports; u_short port[1]; }; struct portlist *p = (struct portlist *) malloc(sizeof *p + (nports-1) * sizeof p->port); p->nports = nports; for (i = 0; i < nports; i++) p->port[i] = ...; ioctl(tunfd, TIOCSETINTERACTIVEPORTS, p); Closing the device would clear the list, and ppp could simply #ifdef TIOCSETINTERACTIVEPORTS to see if it needs to do this... > Bill Having said all that, I suspect it would be easier to s/20/100/ as I originally suggested. If you've got more than 100 packets queued at a given time, surely the TCP window is way to large. -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 16:35:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20041 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:35:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20032 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:35:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA25121; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:35:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:35:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199810092335.TAA25121@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: alk@pobox.com Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: inetd is ill? syslogd is anemic? In-Reply-To: <13854.19308.314677.685227@avalon.east> References: <13854.19308.314677.685227@avalon.east> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: > This has been occurring for almost a week -- of a sudden, I get a few > hundred of these: > Oct 9 12:30:22 avalon /kernel: pid 756 (inetd), uid 0: exited on signal 11 Buy more memory. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 16:43:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA21633 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:43:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.videotron.ab.ca (cloak.videotron.ab.ca [206.75.216.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21539 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:42:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rward@netcom.ca) Received: from blade ([24.108.23.151]) by mail.videotron.ab.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA2902 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:41:33 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Ryan Ward" To: Subject: Parse Errors Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:43:42 -0600 Message-ID: <000201bdf3de$a5c0b0c0$97176c18@blade.v-wave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Could someone point me to what might be happening with my make world. I tried with yesterday and today with the current and got the same parse error. cc -O -pipe -DFREEBSD_AOUT -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../cont rib/ gcc -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/config -DFREEBS D_NA TIVE -DDEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=\"2.7.2.1\" -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHINE=\"i386-un know n-freebsd\" -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../cc_tools -I/usr/ obj/ elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contri b/gcc/integrate.c -o integrate.o --- jump.o --- cc -O -pipe -DFREEBSD_AOUT -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../cont rib/ gcc -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/config -DFREEBS D_NA TIVE -DDEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=\"2.7.2.1\" -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHINE=\"i386-un know n-freebsd\" -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../cc_tools -I/usr/ obj/ elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contri b/gcc/jump.c -o jump.o --- insn-output.o --- ../cc_tools/insn-output.c:6269: parse error before `}' *** Error code 1 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 17:41:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02479 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:41:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from friley-185-114.res.iastate.edu (friley-185-114.res.iastate.edu [129.186.185.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02406 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:41:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ccsanady@friley-185-114.res.iastate.edu) Received: from friley-185-114.res.iastate.edu (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by friley-185-114.res.iastate.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA00760; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:40:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ccsanady@friley-185-114.res.iastate.edu) Message-Id: <199810100040.TAA00760@friley-185-114.res.iastate.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Still have problems building boot blocks in -current In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:07:34 PDT." <12564.907970854@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 19:40:45 -0500 From: Chris Csanady Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You need to build the old boot blocks as a.out. Make OBJFORMAT=aout in /sys/i386/boot should work I think.. Chris >cc -O2 -malign-functions=0 -malign-jumps=0 -malign-loops=0 -mno-486 -DBOOTWA IT=5000 -DTIMEOUT= -DBOOTSEG=0x1000 -DBOOTSTACK=0xFFF0 -DDO_BAD144 -Wreturn-typ e -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wuninitialized -Wformat -fform at-extensions -ansi -DCOMCONSOLE=0x3F8 -DCONSPEED=9600 -nostdinc -I/h/local/src /sys/i386/boot/biosboot/../../../../include -I/h/local/src/sys/i386/boot/biosbo ot/../../.. -I/usr/obj/h/local/src/sys/i386/boot/biosboot -N -T 0 -nostdlib -static -o boot start.o table.o boot2.o boot.o asm.o bios.o serial.o probe_keyb oard.o io.o disk.o sys.o >/usr/libexec/elf/ld: cannot open linker script file 0: No such file or directo ry >*** Error code 1 > >Stop. >*** Error code 1 > >Stop. >root@kickme-> pwd >/usr/src/sys/i386/boot > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 18:10:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08464 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:10:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ceia.nordier.com (slip139-92-122-77.joh.za.ibm.net [139.92.122.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08347 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rnordier@nordier.com) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by ceia.nordier.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id DAA06228; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 03:08:51 +0200 (SAT) From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199810100108.DAA06228@ceia.nordier.com> Subject: Re: make world broken? In-Reply-To: <361E9073.A314560F@webwizard.org.mx> from Edwin Culp at "Oct 9, 98 05:38:43 pm" To: eculp@webwizard.org.mx (Edwin Culp) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 03:08:50 +0200 (SAT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Edwin Culp wrote: > Anyone else see this? > > /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec/aout/ld: > /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/loader/../b > tx/lib/crt0.o: malformed input file (not rel or archive) > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > > Thanks > The new loader together with BTX support code expect OBJFORMAT == elf. -- Robert Nordier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 18:18:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10304 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:18:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.webwizard.net.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10190 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:17:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Received: from webwizard.org.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by dns.webwizard.net.mx (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA24775; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:10:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Message-ID: <361EB3EF.F83B3E1B@webwizard.org.mx> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 20:10:07 -0500 From: Edwin Culp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Nordier CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world broken? References: <199810100108.DAA06228@ceia.nordier.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Robert Nordier wrote: > Edwin Culp wrote: > > Anyone else see this? > > > > /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec/aout/ld: > > /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/loader/../b > > tx/lib/crt0.o: malformed input file (not rel or archive) > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop. > > > > Thanks > > > > The new loader together with BTX support code expect OBJFORMAT == elf. > > > -- > Robert Nordier Is /etc/objformat no longer sufficient? OBJFORMAT=elf I also have the KERNFORMAT=elf as a system variable. Thanks ed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 18:36:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12398 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:36:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ceia.nordier.com (slip139-92-122-77.joh.za.ibm.net [139.92.122.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12389 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:36:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rnordier@nordier.com) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by ceia.nordier.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id DAA06585; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 03:35:24 +0200 (SAT) From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199810100135.DAA06585@ceia.nordier.com> Subject: Re: make world broken? In-Reply-To: <361EB3EF.F83B3E1B@webwizard.org.mx> from Edwin Culp at "Oct 9, 98 08:10:07 pm" To: eculp@webwizard.org.mx (Edwin Culp) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 03:35:22 +0200 (SAT) Cc: rnordier@nordier.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Edwin Culp wrote: > Robert Nordier wrote: > > > Edwin Culp wrote: > > > Anyone else see this? > > > > > > /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec/aout/ld: > > > /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/loader/../b > > > tx/lib/crt0.o: malformed input file (not rel or archive) > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > Stop. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > The new loader together with BTX support code expect OBJFORMAT == elf. > > > > > > > -- > > Robert Nordier > > Is /etc/objformat no longer sufficient? OBJFORMAT=elf I also have the > KERNFORMAT=elf as a system variable. At the moment, the new code is being lumped with the "legacy boot" code and OBJFORMAT=aout is being forced in a make world. As a stopgap, I've added a protective .ifdef to /sys/boot/i386/Makefile, so this shouldn't break more builds (though "loader" won't get built either). -- Robert Nordier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 18:43:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13235 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:43:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.webwizard.net.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13230 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:43:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Received: from webwizard.org.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by dns.webwizard.net.mx (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA23231; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:37:05 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Message-ID: <361EBA40.6B9E7792@webwizard.org.mx> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 20:37:04 -0500 From: Edwin Culp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Nordier CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world broken? References: <199810100135.DAA06585@ceia.nordier.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Robert Nordier wrote: > Edwin Culp wrote: > > Robert Nordier wrote: > > > > > Edwin Culp wrote: > > > > Anyone else see this? > > > > > > > > /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/libexec/aout/ld: > > > > /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/loader/../b > > > > tx/lib/crt0.o: malformed input file (not rel or archive) > > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > > > Stop. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > The new loader together with BTX support code expect OBJFORMAT == elf. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Robert Nordier > > > > Is /etc/objformat no longer sufficient? OBJFORMAT=elf I also have the > > KERNFORMAT=elf as a system variable. > > At the moment, the new code is being lumped with the "legacy boot" code > and OBJFORMAT=aout is being forced in a make world. > > As a stopgap, I've added a protective .ifdef to /sys/boot/i386/Makefile, > so this shouldn't break more builds (though "loader" won't get built > either). > I had no idea. Thanks. I'll add it in the morning after a new cvsup and then make world. ed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 19:11:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16543 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:11:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from telos.odyssey.cs.cmu.edu (TELOS.ODYSSEY.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.185.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16538 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:11:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jaharkes@telos.odyssey.cs.cmu.edu) Received: from telos.odyssey.cs.cmu.edu (jaharkes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by telos.odyssey.cs.cmu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA03372; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 22:10:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199810100210.WAA03372@telos.odyssey.cs.cmu.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: coda-announce@TELEMANN.coda.cs.cmu.edu, linux-coda@TELEMANN.coda.cs.cmu.edu, current-users@netbsd.org, port-i386@netbsd.org, current@FreeBSD.ORG, linux-fsdevel@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Coda Distributed Filesystem release 4.6.6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 22:10:54 -0400 From: jaharkes@cs.cmu.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is to announce Coda 4.6.6. -------------------------------- Coda is a distributed filesystem with novel features such as disconnected operation and server replication. For many details about Coda see http://www.coda.cs.cmu.edu. Coda currently runs on FreeBSD(i386), Linux(i386,sparc) and NetBSD(i386). Ports to Windows(95,NT) are in progress. What happened since Coda 4.6.5 our previous "stable" release? - For this 4.6.6 release, Coda works on current versions of both FreeBSD and NetBSD platforms. There is direct kernel support as well as lkm's for kernel features. The packages/port system can be used to obtain and/or build Coda. Coda is in the package/port tree under: net/coda_intro, net/coda_client, net/coda_server, net/coda_doc - We've also taken a couple of the fixes for various small, but annoying, bugs from the development version. - We fixed (and probably broke) some things in the various server setup scripts, but they are better than before. As always, this version is MUCH better than 4.6.5, try it!! It has been released in binary form for: Linux binary rpm's FreeBSD 3.0 (a.out & elf) packages! NetBSD current pre-compiled packages It can be found at: ftp://ftp.coda.cs.cmu.edu/pub/coda/[your platform] Documention in cpio and rpm format: ftp://ftp.coda.cs.cmu.edu/pub/coda/doc For all other platforms and architectures: Use the source. ftp://ftp.coda.cs.cmu.edu/pub/src By the way, we keep snapshots of our ongoing development here as well. So if you want to build/run the latest Coda check out the 4.7.x branch. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- What's next? - The snapshots show you where we are going. Jan continues to fix tricky bugs in Venus related to disconnected operation and reintegration. The new directory code is still being improved. We are also working on clients for 95 and NT. - Integrating more of the patches we've been sent (Thanks guys!). --------------------------------------------------------------------- Have fun! The Coda Group. Contacts: Peter Braam, braam@cs.cmu.edu Jan Harkes, jaharkes@cs.cmu.edu Bob Baron, rvb@cs.cmu.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 20:27:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA26056 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:27:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA26033 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:27:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id FAA24106; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 05:26:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 05:26:52 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Cory Kempf Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Locales? References: Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 10 Oct 1998 05:26:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: Cory Kempf's message of "09 Oct 1998 17:10:11 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id UAA26038 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Cory Kempf writes: > How does one correctly set the locale? Anytime I run a perl script, I > get the following: Read src/etc/profile rev. 1.10 or newer, and setlocale(3). (putting the correct locale stuff in /etc/profile was, IIRC, my first commit after the traditional "add your name to the developers list") DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 9 21:07:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04257 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:07:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from poboxer.pobox.com (port17.prairietech.net [208.141.230.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04248 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:07:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alk@poboxer.pobox.com) Received: (from alk@localhost) by poboxer.pobox.com (8.9.1/8.7.3) id XAA07019; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:06:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:06:40 -0500 (CDT) X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Reply-To: alk@pobox.com To: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: inetd is ill? syslogd is anemic? References: <13854.19308.314677.685227@avalon.east> <199810092335.TAA25121@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13854.56585.707371.316487@avalon.east> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Quoth Garrett Wollman on Fri, 9 October: : < said: : : > This has been occurring for almost a week -- of a sudden, I get a few : > hundred of these: : > Oct 9 12:30:22 avalon /kernel: pid 756 (inetd), uid 0: exited on signal 11 : : Buy more memory. I don't believe it. There is more than 100MB of swap free at this point, and it is still happening. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 00:00:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA27995 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:00:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotjobs.com (fs3.ny.genx.net [206.64.4.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA27990 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:00:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perlsta@fs3.ny.genx.net) Received: (qmail 25992 invoked by uid 1288); 10 Oct 1998 05:09:45 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Oct 1998 05:09:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:09:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Alfred To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: /usr/include/sys/cam/scsi... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG can't we have a compadibility header for cam? thanks, Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 00:56:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03500 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:56:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA03494 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:56:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: (from jkh@localhost) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14823 for current@freebsd.org; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:56:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:56:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199810100756.AAA14823@time.cdrom.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/3.0-19981009-BETA now available Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Release day is less than a week away - please test this one as much as you can, including the various X bits. There's still a bit of contraversy over the X11/config hacks we've made, so tell us how the X11-using ports work in this release also. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 01:58:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA10052 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:58:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA10047 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:58:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (root@woof.lan.awfulhak.org [172.16.0.7]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA24841; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:57:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woof.lan.awfulhak.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17986; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:57:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@woof.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199810100857.JAA17986@woof.lan.awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Luoqi Chen cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: put elf obj tree directly underneath /usr/obj In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 Oct 1998 04:54:26 EDT." <199810090854.EAA24980@chen.ml.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:57:05 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It's been quite inconvenient ever since the build object tree was relocated to > /usr/obj/elf. Everytime I make a small change to an application program, I have > to rebuild it with "MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/elf make". Is there any reason > why the elf object tree has to be in a subdirectory of /usr/obj? Can we simply > place the elf object tree in /usr/obj and aout object tree in /usr/obj/aout? $ l /usr/obj/. total 2 drwxrwxr-x 3 root research 512 Sep 20 07:14 aout lrwxrwxr-x 1 root research 1 Oct 10 09:55 elf -> . drwxrwxr-x 3 root research 512 Oct 10 09:55 usr > -lq -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 02:36:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA13595 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:36:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA13563 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:36:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA15439 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:36:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Two nits with -current Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:36:26 -0700 Message-ID: <15435.908012186@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm still seeing a very long delay before the first "changing root device to ..." message on the installation floppy boot. Is anyone else seeing this on the 486/Pentium? - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 03:44:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA20759 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 03:44:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA20753 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 03:44:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zRwVB-0006uF-00; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 04:43:57 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id EAA10590; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 04:43:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199810101043.EAA10590@harmony.village.org> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Two nits with -current Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:36:26 PDT." <15435.908012186@time.cdrom.com> References: <15435.908012186@time.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 04:43:34 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <15435.908012186@time.cdrom.com> "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: : I'm still seeing a very long delay before the first "changing root : device to ..." message on the installation floppy boot. Is anyone : else seeing this on the 486/Pentium? Is this with or without a SCSI controller? If it is with, then you are likely running into the SCSI_DELAY that happens after all the devices are probed. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 03:48:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA21287 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 03:48:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from math.berkeley.edu (math.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.183.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA21269 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 03:48:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@math.berkeley.edu) Received: (from dan@localhost) by math.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA28671; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 03:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 03:48:02 -0700 (PDT) From: dan@math.berkeley.edu (Dan Strick) Message-Id: <199810101048.DAA28671@math.berkeley.edu> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Two nits with -current Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm still seeing a very long delay before the first "changing root > device to ..." message on the installation floppy boot. Is anyone > else seeing this on the 486/Pentium? I just finished installing 3.0-19981009-BETA on a P2-300. I did not notice a long delay before the first "changing root device to ..." message. It may be that I just didn't notice. dan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 05:26:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA01888 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 05:26:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tor-dev1.nbc.netcom.ca (tor-dev1.nbc.netcom.ca [207.181.89.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA01881; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 05:26:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from taob@tor-dev1.nbc.netcom.ca) Received: (from taob@localhost) by tor-dev1.nbc.netcom.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23857; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 08:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 08:25:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao X-Sender: taob@tor-dev1.nbc.netcom.ca To: ben@rosengart.com cc: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0-981004-BETA observations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Snob Art Genre wrote: > > I've been running into something similar: when newfsing /dev/rsd1f > by hand, I get: > > newfs: ioctl(WDINFO): inappropriate ioctl for device > newfs: /dev/rsd1f: can't rewrite disk label > > And when I run newfs again immediately, same arguments, I don't get > the messages. Yup... seen the same thing here too, three times from inside sysinstall, and once manually with a newfs on the command line. In all cases, a second attempt at the same operation succeeded. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 05:55:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04559 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 05:55:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04553 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 05:55:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA10705; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 07:55:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from aridius-76.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.66.203) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma010702; Sat Oct 10 07:55:40 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981010074242.011b8ce8@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 07:42:42 -0500 To: Warner Losh , "Jordan K. Hubbard" From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Two nits with -current Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810101043.EAA10590@harmony.village.org> References: <15435.908012186@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 04:43 AM 10/10/98 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >In message <15435.908012186@time.cdrom.com> "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: >: I'm still seeing a very long delay before the first "changing root >: device to ..." message on the installation floppy boot. Is anyone >: else seeing this on the 486/Pentium? > >Is this with or without a SCSI controller? If it is with, then you >are likely running into the SCSI_DELAY that happens after all the >devices are probed. Never seemed this long before. Was expecting something to bomb. Same Adaptec 2940. Always trimmed the delay down to a more reasonable number, currently just dropping a zero make me not mind watching it boot. 8-) FWIW, the last few betas actually see if I have a CD every time, not the hit or miss with 2.2.7. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 06:42:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07814 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:42:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from math.berkeley.edu (math.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.183.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA07809 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:42:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@math.berkeley.edu) Received: (from dan@localhost) by math.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA01558; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:42:34 -0700 (PDT) From: dan@math.berkeley.edu (Dan Strick) Message-Id: <199810101342.GAA01558@math.berkeley.edu> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: two other nits in 3.0-19981009-BETA Cc: dan@math.berkeley.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Release day is less than a week away - please test this one as much > as you can, including the various X bits. There's still a bit of contraversy > over the X11/config hacks we've made, so tell us how the X11-using ports > work in this release also. So far I have not noticed any X11 related problems with the ports, but I have found two non-X11-related errors: 1) The md5 checksum file for the linux_lib-2.5.tar.gz distfile is wrong (or the file is wrong; I don't know how to decide which file is wrong. The command "tar tzvf linux_lib-2.5.tar.gz" seems to work ok.) 2) The file "/usr/ports/emulators/wine/files/bitops.h" is missing. I suspect it is a Linux header file that defines some sort of bit operation macros. Dan Strick dan@math.berkeley.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 08:17:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA15772 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 08:17:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.webwizard.net.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15767; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 08:17:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Received: from webwizard.org.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by dns.webwizard.net.mx (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA07248; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:10:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Message-ID: <361F78FE.DE0ED451@webwizard.org.mx> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:10:54 -0500 From: Edwin Culp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Tao CC: ben@rosengart.com, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0-981004-BETA observations References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brian Tao wrote: > On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Snob Art Genre wrote: > > > > I've been running into something similar: when newfsing /dev/rsd1f > > by hand, I get: > > > > newfs: ioctl(WDINFO): inappropriate ioctl for device > > newfs: /dev/rsd1f: can't rewrite disk label > > > > And when I run newfs again immediately, same arguments, I don't get > > the messages. > > Yup... seen the same thing here too, three times from inside > sysinstall, and once manually with a newfs on the command line. In > all cases, a second attempt at the same operation succeeded. > -- I have a script that does a newfs to the partition before making a new release. It's been doing this for some time. I have just been living with it:-) I almost always have to run it twice. ed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 09:14:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22265 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:14:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22259 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:14:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from bergelmir.ifi.uio.no (2602@bergelmir.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.172]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id SAA07376; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 18:14:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by bergelmir.ifi.uio.no ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 18:14:31 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: alk@pobox.com Cc: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: inetd is ill? syslogd is anemic? References: <13854.19308.314677.685227@avalon.east> <199810092335.TAA25121@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <13854.56585.707371.316487@avalon.east> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 10 Oct 1998 18:14:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: Tony Kimball's message of "Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:06:40 -0500 (CDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id JAA22260 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tony Kimball writes: > Quoth Garrett Wollman on Fri, 9 October: > : < said: > : > This has been occurring for almost a week -- of a sudden, I get a few > : > hundred of these: > : > Oct 9 12:30:22 avalon /kernel: pid 756 (inetd), uid 0: exited on signal 11 > : Buy more memory. > I don't believe it. There is more than 100MB of swap free at this point, > and it is still happening. So get a core dump and tell us where it segfaults. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 10:53:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07317 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:53:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com (bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.224.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07294; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:53:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shocking@ariadne.prth.tensor.pgs.com) Received: from ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (ariadne [157.147.227.36]) by bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA12272; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 01:52:59 +0800 (WST) Received: from ariadne by ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA10216; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 01:52:59 +0800 Message-Id: <199810101752.BAA10216@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Any chance of a dynamically linked jdk-1.1.6 (a.out version) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 01:52:58 +0800 From: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Because libawt.so is demanding to have xmDrawingAreaWidgetClass, which hasn't been staically linked with the rest of the Motif library, would be possible to either a) get this function linked in or b) have a version with the Motif stuff dynamically linked in. Stephen -- The views expressed above are not those of PGS Tensor. "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." Robert Wilensky, University of California To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 11:07:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09936 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:07:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09880; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:06:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA08130; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:06:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id UAA05927; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:06:08 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19981010200607.56951@follo.net> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:06:07 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: alk@pobox.com, wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, dg@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: inetd is ill? syslogd is anemic? References: <13854.19308.314677.685227@avalon.east> <199810092335.TAA25121@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <13854.56585.707371.316487@avalon.east> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <13854.56585.707371.316487@avalon.east>; from Tony Kimball on Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 11:06:40PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 11:06:40PM -0500, Tony Kimball wrote: > Quoth Garrett Wollman on Fri, 9 October: > : < said: > : > : > This has been occurring for almost a week -- of a sudden, I get a few > : > hundred of these: > : > Oct 9 12:30:22 avalon /kernel: pid 756 (inetd), uid 0: exited on signal 11 > : > : Buy more memory. > > I don't believe it. There is more than 100MB of swap free at this point, > and it is still happening. This is a known, OLD bug. It was one of the bugs introduced or exposed by John Dysons changes to the VM system. He was working on this at the time he left, if I understood correctly. In some cases, the VM system goes awry when you go out of memory. This seems especially common if it is netscape that eats the memory (don't ask me why; possibly it only seems that way because Netscape eating the memory iss the most common situation on my box). In these cases, at least sendmail, inetd and syslog will have problems when forking - they'll get a sig11 right after the fork (I don't know how 'right after' translates, sorry - timewise, it is just about at once). I've not explicitly tried to reproduce this bug and track down this, as it means a lot of hassle to me when it occurs, and I've got enough trouble as it is (sorry). It seems to be reproducable - it happens "pretty often". My machine is a PPro-based box - I don't know if this matter. I seem to remember it also happening after I upgraded to 80MB; I know it happened when I had 64MB, at least. I can try to reproduce it if somebody that know more about the VM system than me has some clues as to what I should do to track it down - in that case, I'd like to get the clues by tomorrow (so I can spend tomorrow attempt to find it; I most likely don't have time between then and the release). Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 11:50:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14416 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:50:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14398 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:50:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id MAA07285; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:49:51 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199810101849.MAA07285@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: /usr/include/sys/cam/scsi... In-Reply-To: from Alfred at "Oct 10, 98 01:09:45 am" To: perlsta@fs3.ny.genx.net (Alfred) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:49:51 -0600 (MDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alfred wrote... > > can't we have a compadibility header for cam? What do you mean? Please state your question more clearly if you actually want an answer. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 11:52:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14689 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:52:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silverback.gorilla.net (silverback.gorilla.net [208.128.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA14666 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:52:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@gorilla.net) Received: from peeper.TOJ.org [208.143.84.64] by silverback.gorilla.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.06) id ABDF4D80268; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:47:59 CDT Received: (from tom@localhost) by peeper.TOJ.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) id NAA00418; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:52:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tom) Message-ID: <19981010135137.A339@TOJ.org> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:51:37 -0500 From: Tom Jackson To: fireston@lexmark.com, Mail list FreeBSD-current Subject: Re: Current panics with SMP, a 7880 and a 7895 References: <199810091800.AA09444@interlock2.lexmark.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199810091800.AA09444@interlock2.lexmark.com>; from Mik Firestone on Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 01:59:48PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Not sure if you're still having this problem but I have also almost two 7880, one on board and a 2940. My kernel of Oct 9 ran but reboot did not work. All subsequent kernels paniced on me. I was about to agree with your problem when I tried updating the boot loader. Strange as it sounds, that fixed all my kernel troubles. Give it a try. On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 01:59:48PM +0000, Mik Firestone wrote: > I am running a Dual Pentium Pro on an PR440FX with and AIC 7880 on board. I > also have a 2940 Dual PCI card installed ( 7895 chipset ). > > If I boot an SMP kernel, it panics while probing the external chain on the > Dual card. The kernel is freshly installed from a locally built 1998-10-07, > somewhere around 4:00 am EDT. > > Now, it gets more interesting. The same kernel config minus the SMP options > will boot. The same kernel config MINUS the 7895 chip boots as well. > Methinks CAM does not like SMP and 7895 chips. > > Further, we ( being somewhat bored and having some spare parts ) decided to > throw a normal 2940 card ( 7880 chipset ) in the machine a it booted without > complaint. Did I mention we think CAM, SMP and 7895 just don't play well > together? > > Following is the dump and the trace. > > Fatal trap 12:Page fault while in kernel mode > mp_lock=00000002; cpuid=0; lapic.id=00000000 > fault virtual address = 0x0 > fault code = supervisor write, page not present > instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0220ae4 > stack pointer = 0x10:0xf0d89e1c > frame pointer = 0x10:0xf0d89e3c > code segement = base of 0x0, limit of 0xfffff, type 0x1b > = DPL 0, press 1, def32 1, gran 1 > processor eflags = resume, IOPL = 0 > current process = 0() > interupt mask = net tty bio cam <- SMP: XXX > kernel: type 12 trap, code = 0 > stopped at _INTREN+0x2c: movl %ecx,0(%edx) > > > TRACE: > [ on the following revisions: > * $Id: kern_intr.c,v 1.20 1998/09/26 14:25:31 dfr Exp $ > * $Id: pci_compat.c,v 1.11 1998/09/15 08:21:09 gibbs Exp $ > * $Id: pci.c,v 1.89 1998/09/16 08:28:11 dfr Exp $ > * $Id: ahc_pci.c,v 1.1 1998/09/15 07:25:33 gibbs Exp $ > * $Id: autoconf.c,v 1.106 1998/09/15 10:03:42 gibbs Exp $ > * $Id: init_main.c,v 1.96 1998/09/14 19:56:40 sos Exp $ > and slighty reformatted ] > > _INTREN(a,f011f874,f15e0000,f028b654,0) @ _INTREN+0x2c > _add_intrdesc(idesc=f1350e80) at _add_intrdesc+0x29 [../kern/kern_intr.c:203] > _intr_connect(idesc=f1350e80) at _intr_connect+0x2e [../kern/kern_intr.c:274] > _pci_map_int(config=f15d4988,func=f011f874,arg=f15e0000,maskptr=f028b654) at > _pci_map_int+0x30 [ pci/pci_compat.c:182 ] > _ahc_pci_attach(config_id=f105d4988,unit=2) at _ahc_pci_attach+0x5d7 > [ pci/ahc_pci.c:489] > _pci_drvattach(dinfo=f15d4980) at _pci_drvattach+0x5f [ pci/pci_compat.c:368] > _pci_addcfg(dinfo==f15d4980) at _pci_addcfg+0xcf [ pci/pci.c:475 ] > _pci_probebus( bus=0 ) at _pci_probebus+0x53 [ pci/pci.c:522 ] > _pci_probe( parent=0 ) at _pci_probe+0x39 [ pci/pci.c:552 ] > _pci_configure() at _pci_configure+0xa > _configure( dummy = 0 ) at _configure+0x27 [ i386/i386/autoconf.c: 235 ] > _main( framep = f0d89fb8 ) at _main+0x86 [ kern/init_main.c: 187 ] > begin() at begin+0x54 > > -- > Mik Firestone fireston@lexmark.com > If ever I become an Evil Overlord: > I will never utter the sentence "But before I kill you, there's just one thing > I want to know." > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > -- Tom -- IMail Server for Windows NT. Evaluation version. Copyright (c) 1995-98 Ipswitch, Inc. http://www.ipswitch.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 12:06:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16746 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:06:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ceia.nordier.com (m1-15-dbn.dial-up.net [196.34.155.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16734 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:06:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rnordier@nordier.com) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by ceia.nordier.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id VAA18191 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:05:26 +0200 (SAT) From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199810101905.VAA18191@ceia.nordier.com> Subject: Reproducible "devstat_end_transaction: busy count < 0" error To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:05:23 +0200 (SAT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There've been a few reports on this list of the diagnostic devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count for wd0 is < 0 (-1)! This seems to be reproducible pretty much at will here (3.0-BETA as of the last 24 hours), if anyone is looking to track this down. -- Robert Nordier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 12:59:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23746 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:59:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotjobs.com (fs3.ny.genx.net [206.64.4.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA23741 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:59:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perlsta@fs3.ny.genx.net) Received: (qmail 3602 invoked by uid 1288); 10 Oct 1998 19:57:20 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Oct 1998 19:57:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:57:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Alfred To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/include/sys/cam/scsi... In-Reply-To: <199810101849.MAA07285@panzer.plutotech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG sorry, what i meant was that we used to have a: /usr/include/scsi.h or /usr/include/sys/scsi.h (i forget which) now we have /usr/include/cam/scsi_all.h a lot of applications broke during compile just because of the renameing. when the scsi.h was replaced by cam/scsi_all.h it compiled and worked, notably kscd (the kde CD player) so, :) can't we have a compadibility header for scsi? thanks, -Alfred On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > Alfred wrote... > > > > can't we have a compadibility header for cam? > > What do you mean? Please state your question more clearly if you actually > want an answer. > > Ken > -- > Kenneth Merry > ken@plutotech.com > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 14:06:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01338 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 14:06:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (pm3-22.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.85.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01325 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 14:06:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA25889; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 14:07:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 14:07:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: Alfred cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/include/sys/cam/scsi... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Alfred wrote: [..] > a lot of applications broke during compile just because of the renameing. > when the scsi.h was replaced by cam/scsi_all.h it compiled and worked, > notably kscd (the kde CD player) This kinda piqued my interest, I've been cvsuping and making world, but I'm still left with a scsi.h, and a bunch of header files in /usr/include with old datestamps. How can I tell what files should have been cleaned out? > so, :) > can't we have a compadibility header for scsi? P.S. kscd is workman based, so if that port has been camified, just munge in its plat_fbsd.c (or whatever) file into the kscd sources. If you're tracking the kde cvs, be patient. - alex | "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern | | technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." | | Powered by FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 14:22:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02949 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 14:22:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02902; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 14:22:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id PAA07993; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:22:04 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199810102122.PAA07993@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: /usr/include/sys/cam/scsi... In-Reply-To: from Alfred at "Oct 10, 98 03:57:20 pm" To: perlsta@fs3.ny.genx.net (Alfred) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:22:04 -0600 (MDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, se@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ CCed to Stefan, the KDE maintainer, since these includes probably need to be taken out for FreeBSD ] Alfred wrote... > > sorry, what i meant was that we used to have a: > > /usr/include/scsi.h > or /usr/include/sys/scsi.h (i forget which) > > now we have /usr/include/cam/scsi_all.h > > a lot of applications broke during compile just because of the renameing. > when the scsi.h was replaced by cam/scsi_all.h it compiled and worked, > notably kscd (the kde CD player) > > so, :) > can't we have a compadibility header for scsi? The short answer is: No. There's no point in keeping the same names for the header files if their contents are more or less completely different. I looked through the kscd source, and I'm surprised that they need to include any SCSI header files at all. These are the two header files they include: #include #include The first one contains the old SCSI library interface, which has been completely replaced. The second one contains primarily the old SCSI ioctl interface, which has also been completely replaced. In fact, I just #if 0'ed those two header files out of plat_freebsd.c, and it compiled just fine. And I wouldn't say that a lot of applications have broken, since this is the first one I've heard about. The public ioctl interface to the CD driver has not changed from the old driver. It's still in sys/cdio.h. In fact, I've got a copy of xcdplayer from July 1997 that still works just fine. (although this machine was running CAM then...) Also, you'll get a faster response if you CC your mail to me, rather than just sending it only to the mailing list. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 14:44:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05590 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 14:44:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotjobs.com (fs3.ny.genx.net [206.64.4.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA05583 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 14:44:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perlsta@hotjobs.com) Received: (qmail 4810 invoked by uid 1288); 10 Oct 1998 21:42:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Oct 1998 21:42:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 17:42:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Alfred X-Sender: perlsta@fs3.ny.genx.net To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/include/sys/cam/scsi... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > This kinda piqued my interest, I've been cvsuping and making world, but > I'm still left with a scsi.h, and a bunch of header files in /usr/include > with old datestamps. How can I tell what files should have been cleaned > out? heh, funny thing, up until a few weeks ago i still had lfs_cleard somewhere on my filesystem :) -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 15:21:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08977 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:21:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.videotron.ab.ca (cloak.videotron.ab.ca [206.75.216.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08958; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:21:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rward@netcom.ca) Received: from blade ([24.108.23.151]) by mail.videotron.ab.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA5979; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:20:56 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Ryan Ward" To: "FreeBSD Questions" , "FreeBSD Current" Subject: Question about make world Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:23:07 -0600 Message-ID: <000101bdf49c$8e18afe0$97176c18@blade.v-wave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Not sure where this type of mail would best fit in. I been trying to do a make world for the last week and it craps out on me in the same place. I have CVSup running to grab the current source tree. This is no problem. I went through the documentation on doing a make world with this new code, and followed the steps as written. I make sure /usr/obj is wiped out checked make.conf etc, I run make world from /usr/src and it fires away, its runs for 5 or so minutes and dies. The dump is down below. I dont think this is an issue with it being current code but rather it looking a bad config file. I been running 3.0_-19980928-BETA with no probs. Object format reads as OBJFORMAT=elf Can anyone direct me into correcting this problem? Thanks cc -O -pipe -DFREEBSD_AOUT -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../cont rib/gcc -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/config -DFR EEBSD_NATIVE -DDEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=\"2.7.2.1\" -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHINE=\ "i386-unknown-freebsd\" -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../cc_t ools -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c ../cc_tools/insn-opinit.c -o insn-opinit.o cc -O -pipe -DFREEBSD_AOUT -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../cont rib/gcc -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contontrib/gcc/config - DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DDEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=\"2.7.2.1\" -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHIN E=\"i386-unknown-freebsd\" -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../c c_tools -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c ../cc_tools/insn-output.c -o insn-output.o ../cc_tools/insn-output.c:6271: parse error before `}' *** Error code 1 Stop. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 15:28:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09837 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:28:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09829 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:28:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id QAA08330; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:28:11 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199810102228.QAA08330@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: /usr/include/sys/cam/scsi... In-Reply-To: from Alex at "Oct 10, 98 02:07:54 pm" To: garbanzo@hooked.net (Alex) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:28:11 -0600 (MDT) Cc: perlsta@fs3.ny.genx.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alex wrote... > On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Alfred wrote: > [..] > > a lot of applications broke during compile just because of the renameing. > > when the scsi.h was replaced by cam/scsi_all.h it compiled and worked, > > notably kscd (the kde CD player) > > This kinda piqued my interest, I've been cvsuping and making world, but > I'm still left with a scsi.h, and a bunch of header files in /usr/include > with old datestamps. How can I tell what files should have been cleaned > out? Probably just watch the commits and see which files get removed. Someone probably has a script to do this.. > > so, :) > > can't we have a compadibility header for scsi? > > P.S. kscd is workman based, so if that port has been camified, just munge > in its plat_fbsd.c (or whatever) file into the kscd sources. If you're > tracking the kde cvs, be patient. Assuming both kscd and workman use the ioctl interface, they shouldn't need to be ported to CAM. The ioctl interface to the CD driver in CAM is the same as the old CD driver. (that's why things like cdcontrol work without modification..) Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 19:41:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01074 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:41:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.scsn.net (scsn.net [206.25.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01069 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:41:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmaddox@scsn.net) Received: from rhiannon.scsn.net ([209.12.57.27]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with ESMTP id AAA70 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:31:32 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by rhiannon.scsn.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA00324 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:41:28 GMT (envelope-from root) Message-ID: <19981010224128.A313@scsn.net> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:41:28 +0000 From: dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ELF libs in /usr/lib/compat? Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Why is 'make world' building and installing ELF versions of libs in /usr/lib/compat? Since E-day-1 I have been seeing this: # cd /usr/lib/compat # file * | grep ELF /usr/lib/compat/libgnumalloc.so.2: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), not stripped /usr/lib/compat/libresolv.so.2: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), not stripped /usr/lib/compat/liby.so.2: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), not stripped ??? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 20:45:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA08276 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:45:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA08266 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:44:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17620; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:44:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199810110344.UAA17620@austin.polstra.com> To: rward@netcom.ca Subject: Re: Question about make world In-Reply-To: <000101bdf49c$8e18afe0$97176c18@blade.v-wave.com> References: <000101bdf49c$8e18afe0$97176c18@blade.v-wave.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:44:45 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <000101bdf49c$8e18afe0$97176c18@blade.v-wave.com>, Ryan Ward wrote: > cc -O -pipe -DFREEBSD_AOUT -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../cont > rib/gcc -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contontrib/gcc/config - > DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DDEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=\"2.7.2.1\" -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHIN > E=\"i386-unknown-freebsd\" -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../c > c_tools -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c > ../cc_tools/insn-output.c -o insn-output.o > ../cc_tools/insn-output.c:6271: parse error before `}' > *** Error code 1 It looks to me like you've got a trashed-out version of insn-output.c down in your /usr/obj tree. It is a generated file, but it doesn't look like it's removed by "make clean". (That is a bug.) So if it gets damaged somehow, you're stuck with the bad version until you intervene manually. Get into "/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc" and then do this: cd /usr/obj/elf$(/bin/pwd) # But see below cd .. rm -rf cc If the first command fails, try changing "/usr/obj/elf" to "/usr/obj". If that fails, try "/usr/obj/aout". Sorry, I never know for sure where the object directory is these days. If you can't find it, then remove everything under /usr/obj, like this: cd /usr/obj rm -rf *; chflags -R 0 *; rm -rf * Then do a new "make world". It should work this time. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 22:26:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA18297 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:26:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pozo.pozo.com (pozo.pozo.com [207.201.8.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA18291; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:26:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mantar@netcom.com) Received: from dual (DUAL [192.168.0.2]) by pozo.pozo.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA00379; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:25:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mantar@netcom.com) Message-Id: <4.1.19981010213916.00a48a70@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: null@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:25:59 -0700 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: Manfred Antar Subject: Version 1.56 of if_fxp.c causes fatal trap 12 Cc: dg@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG With a very current elf kernel (SMP) built with version 1.56 if_fxp.c causes the break to debugger right when doing the ifconfig part of rc.conf. with an aout (SMP) kernel there is no problem. with an elf (No SMP) there is no problem The instruction pointer is 0x8:0xf015b820 current process = 62 (ifconfig) Stopped at m_freem+0x1c: movswl 0x10(%esi),%eax closest I can get with nm is f015b804 T m_freem With version 1.55 there is no problems with any of the above configurations The motherboard is an Intel PR440FX with 2 200mhz-ppro and built in eithernet Thanks Manfred ============================== || mantar@netcom.com || || pozo@infinex.com || || Ph. (415) 681-6235 || ============================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 23:11:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA22449 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:11:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA22442 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:11:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA09234; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810110610.XAA09234@implode.root.com> To: Manfred Antar cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Version 1.56 of if_fxp.c causes fatal trap 12 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:25:59 PDT." <4.1.19981010213916.00a48a70@192.168.0.1> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:10:14 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >With a very current elf kernel (SMP) built with version 1.56 if_fxp.c >causes the break to debugger right when doing the ifconfig part of rc.conf. >with an aout (SMP) kernel there is no problem. >with an elf (No SMP) there is no problem > >The instruction pointer is 0x8:0xf015b820 >current process = 62 (ifconfig) >Stopped at m_freem+0x1c: movswl 0x10(%esi),%eax >closest I can get with nm is f015b804 T m_freem > >With version 1.55 there is no problems with any of the above configurations >The motherboard is an Intel PR440FX with 2 200mhz-ppro and built in eithernet Please apply the attached patch and let me know if it fixes the problem for you. Thanks. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project Index: if_fxp.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/pci/if_fxp.c,v retrieving revision 1.55 diff -c -r1.55 if_fxp.c *** if_fxp.c 1998/08/04 08:53:12 1.55 --- if_fxp.c 1998/10/11 06:08:30 *************** *** 641,646 **** --- 641,647 ---- M_DEVBUF, M_NOWAIT); if (sc->cbl_base == NULL) goto fail; + bzero(sc->cbl_base, sizeof(struct fxp_cb_tx) * FXP_NTXCB); sc->fxp_stats = malloc(sizeof(struct fxp_stats), M_DEVBUF, M_NOWAIT); if (sc->fxp_stats == NULL) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 23:39:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA24165 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:39:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pozo.pozo.com (pozo.pozo.com [207.201.8.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA24160 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:39:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mantar@netcom.com) Received: from dual (DUAL [192.168.0.2]) by pozo.pozo.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA00346; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:39:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mantar@netcom.com) Message-Id: <4.1.19981010233724.00a4b820@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: null@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:39:01 -0700 To: dg@root.com From: Manfred Antar Subject: Re: Version 1.56 of if_fxp.c causes fatal trap 12 Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810110610.XAA09234@implode.root.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 11:10 PM 10/10/98 -0700, David Greenman wrote: >>With a very current elf kernel (SMP) built with version 1.56 if_fxp.c >>causes the break to debugger right when doing the ifconfig part of rc.conf. >>with an aout (SMP) kernel there is no problem. >>with an elf (No SMP) there is no problem >> >>The instruction pointer is 0x8:0xf015b820 >>current process = 62 (ifconfig) >>Stopped at m_freem+0x1c: movswl 0x10(%esi),%eax >>closest I can get with nm is f015b804 T m_freem >> >>With version 1.55 there is no problems with any of the above configurations >>The motherboard is an Intel PR440FX with 2 200mhz-ppro and built in eithernet > > Please apply the attached patch and let me know if it fixes the problem >for you. Thanks. > >-DG > >David Greenman >Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > >Index: if_fxp.c >=================================================================== >RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/pci/if_fxp.c,v >retrieving revision 1.55 >diff -c -r1.55 if_fxp.c >*** if_fxp.c 1998/08/04 08:53:12 1.55 >--- if_fxp.c 1998/10/11 06:08:30 >*************** >*** 641,646 **** >--- 641,647 ---- > M_DEVBUF, M_NOWAIT); > if (sc->cbl_base == NULL) > goto fail; >+ bzero(sc->cbl_base, sizeof(struct fxp_cb_tx) * FXP_NTXCB); > > sc->fxp_stats = malloc(sizeof(struct fxp_stats), M_DEVBUF, M_NOWAIT); > if (sc->fxp_stats == NULL) > I applied the patch to version 1.55 and just make an elf kernel It booted without a problem Thanks Manfred ============================== || mantar@netcom.com || || pozo@infinex.com || || Ph. (415) 681-6235 || ============================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 10 23:44:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA24617 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:44:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA24587 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:44:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (IDENT:EQwU5MEFsjRTPHL+zH5GeKZUkhes3JqI@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA22079; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 08:43:55 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199810110643.IAA22079@gratis.grondar.za> To: Alex cc: Alfred , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/include/sys/cam/scsi... In-Reply-To: Your message of " Sat, 10 Oct 1998 14:07:54 MST." References: Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 08:43:51 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alex wrote: > This kinda piqued my interest, I've been cvsuping and making world, but > I'm still left with a scsi.h, and a bunch of header files in /usr/include > with old datestamps. How can I tell what files should have been cleaned > out? cd /usr/include; find . -type f -ctime +N -delete Where N (in days) is chosen to be a bit longer than the number of days between now and your last "make world". M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message