From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jun 21 14:16:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00868 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:16:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles145.castles.com [208.214.165.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00862 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:16:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01083; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806212006.NAA01083@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Manuel Bouyer cc: "Mr G.D. Tyson" , port-i386@NetBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: O/S Support for large [512Mb] PC systems In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:11:13 +0200." <19980619191113.10952@antioche.lip6.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:06:58 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Jun 19, Mr G.D. Tyson wrote > > [...] > > ultra controller. We would probably use an Intel Express 10/100 Ethernet > > adaptor (or two) as the network connection. > > > > Beware, I'm not sure all Intel's boards are supported under NetBSD yet. > I would recommend boards based on the DEC 21{0,1}14{0,1} or Texas Intruments' > ThunderLAN chip (this last one is really fast, for a small amount of CPU use. > It seems the de driver ises a bit more CPU). NetBSD uses the Intel EtherExpress 100B 'fxp' driver written by David Greenman for FreeBSD. For ethernet work on Intel systems, this is about as good as you will get. (see ftp.cdrom.com for a good example of what this is suitable for) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jun 21 14:43:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05678 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:43:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles145.castles.com [208.214.165.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05672 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:43:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01265; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806212036.NAA01265@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Jan B. Koum " cc: "Mr G.D. Tyson" , port-i386@netbsd.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: O/S Support for large [512Mb] PC systems In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:58:26 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:36:35 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Point your management to www.yahoo.com and www.best.com -- both of > these companies relay on FreeBSD. Yahoo! is public and Best Internet just > filed for IPO. Make your conclusions. Add www.hotmail.com, owned by Microsoft but Powered by FreeBSD. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jun 21 15:06:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09384 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:06:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from herd.plethora.net (root@herd.plethora.net [205.166.146.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09360 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:06:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seebs@guild.plethora.net) Received: from guild.plethora.net (root@guild.plethora.net [205.166.146.8]) by herd.plethora.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02964; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:04:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from guild.plethora.net (seebs@localhost.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by guild.plethora.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA09442; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:04:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806212204.RAA09442@guild.plethora.net> From: seebs@plethora.net Reply-To: seebs@plethora.net To: Mike Smith cc: "Jan B. Koum " , "Mr G.D. Tyson" , port-i386@netbsd.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: O/S Support for large [512Mb] PC systems In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:36:35 PDT." <199806212036.NAA01265@antipodes.cdrom.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:03:29 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <199806212036.NAA01265@antipodes.cdrom.com>, Mike Smith writes: >Add www.hotmail.com, owned by Microsoft but Powered by FreeBSD. I was almost absolutely sure hotmail was running on Solaris, at least, that's what the news story on Microsoft's failure to convert it to NT said. -s To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jun 21 15:14:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA11119 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:14:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA11108 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:14:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16575; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:11:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199806212211.QAA16575@pluto.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: seebs@plethora.net cc: Mike Smith , "Jan B. Koum " , "Mr G.D. Tyson" , port-i386@NetBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: O/S Support for large [512Mb] PC systems In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:03:29 CDT." <199806212204.RAA09442@guild.plethora.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:06:21 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >In message <199806212036.NAA01265@antipodes.cdrom.com>, Mike Smith writes: >>Add www.hotmail.com, owned by Microsoft but Powered by FreeBSD. > >I was almost absolutely sure hotmail was running on Solaris, at least, >that's what the news story on Microsoft's failure to convert it to NT said. > >-s Hotmail funded the effort to port CAM to 2.2-stable for deployment on ~300 machines (they needed aic7895 support for some new machines they wanted to deploy). Some of their operations may well be based on Solaris, but they certainly haven't stopped using FreeBSD. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jun 21 15:32:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14507 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:32:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles145.castles.com [208.214.165.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14495 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:32:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01605; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806212124.OAA01605@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: seebs@plethora.net cc: Mike Smith , "Jan B. Koum " , "Mr G.D. Tyson" , port-i386@netbsd.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: O/S Support for large [512Mb] PC systems In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:03:29 CDT." <199806212204.RAA09442@guild.plethora.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:24:54 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > In message <199806212036.NAA01265@antipodes.cdrom.com>, Mike Smith writes: > >Add www.hotmail.com, owned by Microsoft but Powered by FreeBSD. > > I was almost absolutely sure hotmail was running on Solaris, at least, > that's what the news story on Microsoft's failure to convert it to NT said. ... which is of course why they funded the backport of the CAM SCSI architecture to the FreeBSD 2.2 branch. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jun 21 15:47:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17390 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:47:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17203 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:46:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id SAA05889; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:44:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Mike Smith cc: "Jan B. Koum " , "Mr G.D. Tyson" , port-i386@netbsd.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: O/S Support for large [512Mb] PC systems In-Reply-To: <199806212036.NAA01265@antipodes.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 21 Jun 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > Add www.hotmail.com, owned by Microsoft but Powered by FreeBSD. Also at last verification was ebay, www.ebay.com Powered by FreeBSD. Chris -- "Linux... The choice of a GNUtered generation." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jun 21 18:55:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18220 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:55:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roma.coe.ufrj.br (jonny@roma.coe.ufrj.br [146.164.53.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18211 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:55:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonny@jonny.eng.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by roma.coe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02425 for hardware@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:55:08 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199806220155.WAA02425@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Subject: AGP video cards suported ? To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:55:08 -0300 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Is there a list of AGP cards supported by FreeBSD and XFree86 anywhere ? I'm particularly interested in Matrox and ATI cards. Is AGP somehow different from PCI from the point of view of software ? Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis M.Sc. Student jonny@jonny.eng.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jun 21 22:38:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA19383 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:38:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles314.castles.com [208.214.167.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA19370 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:38:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03531; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806220433.VAA03531@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Mr G.D. Tyson" cc: port-i386@netbsd.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: O/S Support for large [512Mb] PC systems In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:15:56 BST." Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:33:03 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > We need to assemble and put into service a couple of large machines > to act as a web cache (using the squid software). Before going any further, you may wish to consider the solutions offered by NetApp (http://www.netapp.com), as well as the Vixie Enterprises Web Gateway Interceptor, available from Mirror Image (http://www.mirror-image.com). Bear in mind that I'm wearing a FreeBSD hat. > The choice is either SUN systems running slowaris or large PC's > running either NetBSD or FreeBSD. The management are inclined to the > former, but may be willing to entertain the latter if I can convince > them it will work, hence need I need a bit of feedback from people > who run PC's with large amounts of memory and SCSI disk. > > My first stab at a system would use a Pentium II board with 512Mb > Memory and a 333Mhz processor. The system would boot from the on-board > EIDE controller via a 2Gb system disk. The cache area would be two > strings of 4 fast wide 9Gb SCSI II disks plugged into an Adaptek 3940 > ultra controller. We would probably use an Intel Express 10/100 Ethernet > adaptor (or two) as the network connection. There are a number of poor design decision here. - The PII is not suitable for large server systems, as it will only cache the first 512MB of memory. - The 3940 is a poor choice as a cache controller; you would be better off with either a DPT RAID controller card, or an external SCSI:SCSI RAID (eg. a CMD unit). The latter is generally a better idea. - Booting (and thus putting your root filesystem and probably swap) on an IDE disk creates an unnecessary bottleneck. Use another SCSI disk, preferably on its own controller. > 2) Will 512Mb of memory break anything ? (I know I will have to tell the > kernel the true memory size) It is the usable limit for the PII processor. For your application, a P6/200 may be better. It's dubious as to whether you will be able to saturate such a processor unless you try *really* hard. FreeBSD is pretty good about automating memory detection (and is getting better). > 3) Has anyone any experience of a machine with this sort of configuration ? Yes. More verbosely, FreeBSD systems are frequently used in similar, and larger, configurations. For example, ftp.cdrom.com is a P6/200 with 1GB of memory and 224GB of disk. It's currently averaging an output of about 44Mb/s on a 24-hour basis. Various other examples have already been given; suffice to say that you're not going to be taxing it much. 8) > 4) Has anyone used any of the Supermicro boards e.g. P6DBS with the builtin > Adaptec Dual Channel UWSCSI ? or got suggestions for other suitable > motherboards (preferably ones with will take up to 1Gb RAM) I should > point out that 'the management' would REALLY like to use a commercially > available box rather than me build one out of bits ! It is pointless putting more than 512MB of memory in a PII board, as previously mentioned. If you're really serious about a monster system, you would be able to get FreeBSD up on the Axil Northbridge NX-801 (http://www.axil.com/) with a little help from one of the folks at Axil. Other large server systems worth considering (and less expensive) are the Compaq Proliant and IBM NetFinity systems. Some basic rules: - If you want more than 512MB of memory, you need to use Pentium Pro processors. (This may change with new PII models; I'm a few months out of date. Be very certain to check this carefully.) - If you want more than one processor, you will want to go with one of the FreeBSD-current snapshots. For 2- and 4- processor systems, there are plenty of testimonials indicating success. Beyond this you may require some assistance, depending on your hardware. --==_Exmh_-11441617640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jun 21 22:51:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA21766 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:51:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from geo.geocast.net (geo.geocast.net [128.177.240.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA21729 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:51:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from castor@geocast.net) Received: from localhost (castor@localhost) by geo.geocast.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA00933; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:51:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Castor Fu To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: O/S Support for large [512Mb] PC systems In-Reply-To: <199806212211.QAA16575@pluto.plutotech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 21 Jun 1998, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > >In message <199806212036.NAA01265@antipodes.cdrom.com>, Mike Smith writes: > >>Add www.hotmail.com, owned by Microsoft but Powered by FreeBSD. > > > >I was almost absolutely sure hotmail was running on Solaris, at least, > >that's what the news story on Microsoft's failure to convert it to NT said. > > Hotmail funded the effort to port CAM to 2.2-stable for deployment on > ~300 machines (they needed aic7895 support for some new machines they > wanted to deploy). Some of their operations may well be based on > Solaris, but they certainly haven't stopped using FreeBSD. Sounds to me like Microsoft decided Hotmail was going to run on "not Solaris", but that NT was too large a value of "not Solaris" so they settled for FreeBSD. Incidentally, I saw something saying that MS was buying a stake Pluto Technologies. Is this the same Pluto Technologies that you work for? -castor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jun 21 23:27:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA28377 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:27:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (ken@panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA28346 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:27:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id AAA26374; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:26:43 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199806220626.AAA26374@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: O/S Support for large [512Mb] PC systems In-Reply-To: <199806220433.VAA03531@antipodes.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Jun 21, 98 09:33:03 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:26:42 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Dave.Tyson@liverpool.ac.uk, port-i386@netbsd.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ Just a couple of comments on this ] Mike Smith wrote... > > 4) Has anyone used any of the Supermicro boards e.g. P6DBS with the builtin > > Adaptec Dual Channel UWSCSI ? or got suggestions for other suitable > > motherboards (preferably ones with will take up to 1Gb RAM) I should > > point out that 'the management' would REALLY like to use a commercially > > available box rather than me build one out of bits ! One thing to keep in mind is that the P6DBS has an Adaptec AIC-7895 on board. This means that it will only work with FreeBSD and the CAM patches (ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/cam/README) or a fairly recent Linux kernel. [ ... ] > - If you want more than 512MB of memory, you need to use Pentium Pro > processors. (This may change with new PII models; I'm a few months > out of date. Be very certain to check this carefully.) For the 233-333MHz versions of the Pentium II, you are correct. However, the 350 and 400MHz versions can cache up to 4GB. See: http://developer.intel.com/design/pentiumII/datashts/24365701.pdf Look on page 9. If you're up for waiting a bit, though, I would probably wait for a Slot 2 processor and the 450NX chipset. You will be able to do 4-way SMP with the 'Xeon' processors, and the cache will run at the same speed as the processor. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 22 00:48:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA10881 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:48:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (root@alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA10857 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:48:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA13224; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 03:47:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Mike Smith cc: "Mr G.D. Tyson" , port-i386@netbsd.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: O/S Support for large [512Mb] PC systems In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:33:03 PDT." <199806220433.VAA03531@antipodes.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 03:47:50 -0400 Message-ID: <13220.898501670@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith wrote in message ID <199806220433.VAA03531@antipodes.cdrom.com>: > Before going any further, you may wish to consider the solutions offered > by NetApp (http://www.netapp.com), as well as the Vixie Enterprises Web > Gateway Interceptor, available from Mirror Image > (http://www.mirror-image.com). The WGI is no more. I heard (unofficially) that the product was pulled. Mirror Image is now selling the Cisco CacheEngine. A rather unremarkable product which apparently most people find deficient. If the person is looking for pure web caches, they may also consider CacheFlow (http://www.cacheflow.com) and Inktomi's Traffic Server (http://www.inktomi.com). The latter is definately a more expensive product, but has more features in the next release (due in a month or so). I've heard a lot of rumours recently, including a multi-threaded version of Squid, backend storage improvements for more speed, etc. So the real decision is what you can best work with. If you don't mind some of the deficiencies of raw squid, and like getting up to your elbows in the code, squid may be a solution. If you are wanting a `fire and forget' solution, then squid may not be for you. (I'm not saying it takes a lot to maintain, but recovery after a crash isn't always as graceful as it should be, etc) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 22 00:53:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA11674 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:53:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mrelay.jrc.it (mrelay.jrc.it [139.191.1.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA11571 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:52:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nick.hibma@jrc.it) Received: from elect8 (elect8.jrc.it [139.191.71.152]) by mrelay.jrc.it (LMC5688) with SMTP id JAA18274; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:52:25 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:45:50 +0200 (MET DST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@elect8 Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: CyberPeasant cc: anxiety@primenet.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DVD-Rom In-Reply-To: <199806202113.RAA12686@lucy.bedford.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Micah Mayo wrote: > > Also, does anyone out there have an opinion on micropolist scsi drives? Yes DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT GETTING ONE. We had 3 8gb ones going pop on us in one week. Second, the performance of the drives is very bad. Third, the firmware isn;t solid and hangs now and then (need power off/on). > I own two Micropolis drives, one died within the first 100 hours of operation, > the other still works. Back it up, back it up, back it up. > IOmega is on the verge of bankruptcy, too. Come again? As in the producer of the most successfull floppy replacement, the ZipDrive? Sounds odd. Nick STA-ISIS, T.P.270, Joint Research Centre, Italy building: 27A tel.: +39 332 78 9549 fax.: +39 332 78 9185 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 22 01:34:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA19147 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 01:34:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from itp.ac.ru (itp.ac.ru [193.233.32.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA18986 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 01:33:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ks@itp.ac.ru) Received: from speecart.chg.ru (speecart.chg.ru [193.233.46.2]) by itp.ac.ru (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA03771 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:31:52 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:08:03 +0400 (MSD) Organization: Landau Institute for Theoretical Physics From: "Sergey S. Kosyakov" To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: AHA-2940UW DUAL/NE Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, does FreeBSD support AHA-2940UW Dual controller? ahc driver in 3.0-980520-SNAP does not recognize it. Below is the dmesg output of "boot -dv" found-> vendor=0x9004, dev=0x7895, revid=0x03 class=01-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 intpin=a, irq=11 map[0]: type 4, range 32, base 0000e800, size 8 map[1]: type 1, range 32, base ff002000, size 12 found-> vendor=0x9004, dev=0x7895, revid=0x03 class=01-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 intpin=b, irq=10 map[0]: type 4, range 32, base 0000e400, size 8 map[1]: type 1, range 32, base ff001000, size 12 found-> vendor=0x1000, dev=0x000f, revid=0x03 class=01-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 intpin=a, irq=15 map[0]: type 4, range 32, base 0000e000, size 8 map[1]: type 1, range 32, base ff003000, size 8 map[2]: type 1, range 32, base ff000000, size 12 Sergey. --- ---------------------------------- Sergey Kosyakov Laboratory of Distributed Computing Department of High-Performance Computing and Applied Network Research Landau Institute for Theoretical Physics E-Mail: ks@itp.ac.ru Date: 22-Jun-98 Time: 12:08:03 ---------------------------------- --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 22 06:17:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27536 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27530 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:17:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16017; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806221317.JAA16017@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Nick Hibma cc: CyberPeasant , anxiety@primenet.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: DVD-Rom References: In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:45:50 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:17:34 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > IOmega is on the verge of bankruptcy, too. > > Come again? As in the producer of the most successfull floppy > replacement, the ZipDrive? Sounds odd. > This is the difference between "revenue" (sales) and "margin" (profit). There are many new stories on fairly significant staffing cuts and other cost-cutting measures at IOMEGA to reduce costs and achieve profitability. louie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 22 06:20:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27913 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:20:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27901 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:20:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA18326; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:20:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199806221320.HAA18326@pluto.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Castor Fu cc: "Justin T. Gibbs" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: O/S Support for large [512Mb] PC systems In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:51:19 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:15:58 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Incidentally, I saw something saying that MS was buying a stake Pluto >Technologies. Is this the same Pluto Technologies that you work for? Yes. There should be a press release about this somewhere on our web site. > -castor -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 22 06:26:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA29013 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:26:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from asa.co.uk (mailgate.asa.co.uk [195.173.171.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA29003 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:26:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Sean.Witham@asa.co.uk) Received: from newbuild.asa.co.uk (newbuild.asa.co.uk [193.195.233.245]) by asa.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA00835; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:21:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:20:08 +0100 (BST) From: Sean Witham To: "Mr G.D. Tyson" cc: port-i386@netbsd.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: O/S Support for large [512Mb] PC systems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Mr G.D. Tyson wrote: > Questions: > > 1) Ideally I would like the 9Gb disks to have a single large filesystem + > some swap. However I think the max size of a filesystem is limited to > 2Gb - Is this still true ? NO. I have used 9gig disks in NetBSD boxes. --Sean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 22 08:07:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA14968 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:07:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from persprog.com (root@persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA14958 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:07:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@mmrd.com) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id KAA19794; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:02:22 -0500 Received: from dave.ppi.com(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma019766; Mon Jun 22 11:02:05 1998 Message-ID: <358E71D2.693048C0@mmrd.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:01:38 -0400 From: "David W. Alderman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DVD-Rom References: <199806221317.JAA16017@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Corel-MessageType: EMail Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7FEAC27EB3B466535C877A14" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7FEAC27EB3B466535C877A14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My understanding was that their losses were getting close to vilolating the terms of agreements with current creditors. Cost-cutting is logical in this instance. Nowhere have I heard that they are near bankruptcy. Louis A. Mamakos wrote: > > > > > IOmega is on the verge of bankruptcy, too. > > > > Come again? As in the producer of the most successfull floppy > > replacement, the ZipDrive? Sounds odd. > > > > This is the difference between "revenue" (sales) and "margin" (profit). > > There are many new stories on fairly significant staffing cuts and other > cost-cutting measures at IOMEGA to reduce costs and achieve profitability. > -- Dave Alderman dave@persprog.com is changing to dave@mmrd.com --------------7FEAC27EB3B466535C877A14 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for David Alderman Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin:vcard fn:David Alderman n:Alderman;David email;internet:dave@mmrd.com tel;work:904 462 2148 x221 tel;home:904 462 3403 x-mozilla-cpt:;0 x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard --------------7FEAC27EB3B466535C877A14-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 22 08:18:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16382 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:18:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (ken@panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16377 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:18:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id JAA28286; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:16:50 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199806221516.JAA28286@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: AHA-2940UW DUAL/NE In-Reply-To: from "Sergey S. Kosyakov" at "Jun 22, 98 12:08:03 pm" To: ks@itp.ac.ru (Sergey S. Kosyakov) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:16:50 -0600 (MDT) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sergey S. Kosyakov wrote... > > does FreeBSD support AHA-2940UW Dual controller? ahc driver in 3.0-980520-SNAP > does not recognize it. Below is the dmesg output of "boot -dv" > > found-> vendor=0x9004, dev=0x7895, revid=0x03 > class=01-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 > intpin=a, irq=11 > map[0]: type 4, range 32, base 0000e800, size 8 > map[1]: type 1, range 32, base ff002000, size 12 > found-> vendor=0x9004, dev=0x7895, revid=0x03 > class=01-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 > intpin=b, irq=10 > map[0]: type 4, range 32, base 0000e400, size 8 > map[1]: type 1, range 32, base ff001000, size 12 That is an Adaptec 7895. You need CAM in order to run FreeBSD on it. See: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/cam/README > found-> vendor=0x1000, dev=0x000f, revid=0x03 > class=01-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 > intpin=a, irq=15 > map[0]: type 4, range 32, base 0000e000, size 8 > map[1]: type 1, range 32, base ff003000, size 8 > map[2]: type 1, range 32, base ff000000, size 12 Not sure what that one is. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 22 11:18:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19169 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:18:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from onyx.southwind.net (root@onyx.southwind.net [206.53.103.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19050 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:17:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sohel@southwind.net) Received: from southwind.net (ict18.southwind.net [206.53.100.18]) by onyx.southwind.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14971 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:17:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <358E9FF9.78994C24@southwind.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:18:33 -0500 From: sohel Organization: N/A X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: NE2000 network Card!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I just got another machine and wants to install freebsd on it. Now i have couple of NIC's lying around and want to use them on the machine with freebsd. One is a generic NE2000 clone and the other is linksys ether16 card. Now Would NE2000 cards work with freebsd? How can i set them up? Do i need to compile a new kernel? Can i pass some parameters at boot time? Is there anything special i can do at the time of installation so that the Nic can be recognized? Also is it possible to use SAMBA on FreeBsd so that i can see files on win95+NT machines on a network? I know some of my friends use linux+Samba and integrated their machine with win95+NT. Can i do the same on Freebsd? Umm also i want to run Xwindows on Win95/NT machine and want the Freebsd machine to act as host. Can someone point me to the right direction/ftp/website/list for this purpose? Thanks in advance for all your info. Best, sohel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 22 13:12:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA10685 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:12:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from eug4ja.lane.edu (eug4ja.lane.edu [158.165.5.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA10673 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:12:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from CUPPLES_S@4j.lane.edu) Received: from 4j.lane.edu by 4j.lane.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #27890) id <01IYJDY73TD48X07CC@4j.lane.edu> for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:12:44 PST Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:12:44 -0800 (PST) From: cupples_s@4j.lane.edu Subject: Re: DVD-Rom In-reply-to: To: Nick Hibma Cc: CyberPeasant , anxiety@primenet.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Also any Micropolous drive will not be warantied, the company has filed for bankruptcy and return service is a joke, I mean if you want it setled within you lifetime. I found this out when I tried to return a 9 gig that died a year and half after we bought it, APS (which has also filed) just sent the school a letter that said sorry, and good luck. Shawn Cupples South Eugene High School (541) 687-3122 On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Nick Hibma wrote: > > Micah Mayo wrote: > > > Also, does anyone out there have an opinion on micropolist scsi drives? > Yes > > > DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT GETTING ONE. > > > We had 3 8gb ones going pop on us in one week. Second, the performance > of the drives is very bad. Third, the firmware isn;t solid and hangs now > and then (need power off/on). > > > > > I own two Micropolis drives, one died within the first 100 hours of operation, > > the other still works. > > Back it up, back it up, back it up. > > > > IOmega is on the verge of bankruptcy, too. > > Come again? As in the producer of the most successfull floppy > replacement, the ZipDrive? Sounds odd. > > Nick > > STA-ISIS, T.P.270, Joint Research Centre, Italy > building: 27A > tel.: +39 332 78 9549 > fax.: +39 332 78 9185 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 22 16:25:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20161 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:25:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gershwin.tera.com (gershwin.tera.com [207.224.230.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20137 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:25:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@tera.com) Received: from athena.tera.com (athena.tera.com [207.224.230.127]) by gershwin.tera.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05864; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:21:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Kline Received: (from kline@localhost) by athena.tera.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA25024; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806222321.QAA25024@athena.tera.com> Subject: Need French, German string translation. To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Cc: kline@thought.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL23 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org People, In my first week or two of experimentings with localizing the standard utility set, I've gotten off to a good start. --But only in the simpler instances where words like "usage," "file,", "directory", and so forth are in the message files that there are. In other cases where the utilities use warn[x]() or err[x](), or where there are individual errors sent to stderr, the task is more complicated. Could people from France and Germany translate the following strings for me? "%s: directory causes a cycle" "%s/%s: name too long (not copied)", "%s and %s are identical (not copied).", "cannot overwrite directory %s with non-directory %s", "%s is a directory (not copied).", I'm beginning with standard US English plus French and German. Adding other languages will require modifying the makefile and adding a *.msg file in the utility's nls directory. thanks much, gary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 22 18:19:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10071 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:19:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10063 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:19:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id VAA00407; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:19:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: sohel cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NE2000 network Card!!! In-Reply-To: <358E9FF9.78994C24@southwind.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, sohel wrote: > Hi all, > > I just got another machine and wants to install freebsd on it. Now i > have couple of NIC's lying around and want to use them on the machine > with freebsd. One is a generic NE2000 clone and the other is linksys > ether16 card. Now Would NE2000 cards work with freebsd? How can i set > them up? Do i need to compile a new kernel? Can i pass some parameters > at boot time? Is there anything special i can do at the time of > installation so that the Nic can be recognized? Quite simple really. The GENERIC kernel has support for *ONE* NE2000 NIC card at the following port, IRQ, etc.. : device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr So make sure your NE2000 is set to port 280 irq 10. Other than that there should be ZERO problem. You can add more if you want but the generic kernel that is installed by default only supports one. You shouldnt need to do anything special. > Also is it possible to use SAMBA on FreeBsd so that i can see files on > win95+NT machines on a network? I know some of my friends use > linux+Samba and integrated their machine with win95+NT. Can i do the > same on Freebsd? SAMBA runs just EXCELLENT on FreeBSD. Far better IMO than it does on that other OS. Its VERY simple to install and configure. > Umm also i want to run Xwindows on Win95/NT machine and want the Freebsd > machine to act as host. Can someone point me to the right > direction/ftp/website/list for this purpose? You mean run an Xserver and clients on your FreeBSD box, and fireup xterms ONTO your windows can? No problemo. Youll need to buy an Xserver for windows AFAIK there are no Free ones. If you need help or detailed instructions throw me a private email, since your using southwind.net your more than likely a stones throw from me :) Chris -- "Linux... The choice of a GNUtered generation." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 22 19:16:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10071 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:19:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10063 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:19:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id VAA00407; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:19:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: sohel cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NE2000 network Card!!! In-Reply-To: <358E9FF9.78994C24@southwind.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, sohel wrote: > Hi all, > > I just got another machine and wants to install freebsd on it. Now i > have couple of NIC's lying around and want to use them on the machine > with freebsd. One is a generic NE2000 clone and the other is linksys > ether16 card. Now Would NE2000 cards work with freebsd? How can i set > them up? Do i need to compile a new kernel? Can i pass some parameters > at boot time? Is there anything special i can do at the time of > installation so that the Nic can be recognized? Quite simple really. The GENERIC kernel has support for *ONE* NE2000 NIC card at the following port, IRQ, etc.. : device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr So make sure your NE2000 is set to port 280 irq 10. Other than that there should be ZERO problem. You can add more if you want but the generic kernel that is installed by default only supports one. You shouldnt need to do anything special. > Also is it possible to use SAMBA on FreeBsd so that i can see files on > win95+NT machines on a network? I know some of my friends use > linux+Samba and integrated their machine with win95+NT. Can i do the > same on Freebsd? SAMBA runs just EXCELLENT on FreeBSD. Far better IMO than it does on that other OS. Its VERY simple to install and configure. > Umm also i want to run Xwindows on Win95/NT machine and want the Freebsd > machine to act as host. Can someone point me to the right > direction/ftp/website/list for this purpose? You mean run an Xserver and clients on your FreeBSD box, and fireup xterms ONTO your windows can? No problemo. Youll need to buy an Xserver for windows AFAIK there are no Free ones. If you need help or detailed instructions throw me a private email, since your using southwind.net your more than likely a stones throw from me :) Chris -- "Linux... The choice of a GNUtered generation." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 22 20:13:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA12456 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:13:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ers.online.sh.cn ([202.96.211.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA12417 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:12:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paulk@ether.online.sh.cn) Received: from jinbo (202.120.100.126) by ers.online.sh.cn (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:02:05 +0800 Message-ID: <004d01bd9e53$2234c600$c201a8c0@jinbo.ecust.edu.cn> Reply-To: "Paul King" From: "Paul King" To: "sohel" , Subject: =?gb2312?B?u9i4tDogTkUyMDAwIG5ldHdvcmsgQ2FyZCEhIQ==?= Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:00:47 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3007.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3007.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----Original Message----- 发件人: sohel 收件人: hardware@FreeBSD.org 日期: 1998年6月23日 7:37 主题: NE2000 network Card!!! >Hi all, > >I just got another machine and wants to install freebsd on it. Now i >have couple of NIC's lying around and want to use them on the machine >with freebsd. One is a generic NE2000 clone and the other is linksys >ether16 card. Now Would NE2000 cards work with freebsd? How can i set NE2000 will work with FreeBSD, But if ur card is a plug and play card, i suggest u to disable the PnP feature. The FreeBSD kernel default use IRQ 10, Port 280 and IRQ 5 Port 300, please set u card IRQ and Port as these. >them up? Do i need to compile a new kernel? Can i pass some parameters If u set such IRQ and Port, no kernel compile need. >at boot time? Is there anything special i can do at the time of >installation so that the Nic can be recognized? if u do NOT set parament as we mentioned, Pls set the parament in the first step of setup. > >Also is it possible to use SAMBA on FreeBsd so that i can see files on >win95+NT machines on a network? I know some of my friends use >linux+Samba and integrated their machine with win95+NT. Can i do the >same on Freebsd? YES, Samba Work well in FREEBSD, but u should disable Security Auth. of NT or New version of Win95 (win97 or win98) > >Umm also i want to run Xwindows on Win95/NT machine and want the Freebsd >machine to act as host. Can someone point me to the right >direction/ftp/website/list for this purpose? > >Thanks in advance for all your info. > >Best, > >sohel > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 22 20:41:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16635 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:41:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA16619 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:41:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aw1@titus.stade.co.uk) Received: from (titus.stade.co.uk) [158.152.29.164] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yoJxN-0003Tg-00; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 03:41:18 +0000 Received: (from aw1@localhost) by titus.stade.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.3) id EAA08965; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 04:36:43 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980623043643.A7925@stade.co.uk> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 04:36:43 +0100 From: Adrian Wontroba To: Open Systems Networking , sohel Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: X Servers for Windows (was Re: NE2000 network Card!!!) Reply-To: aw1@stade.co.uk Mail-Followup-To: Open Systems Networking , sohel , hardware@freebsd.org References: <358E9FF9.78994C24@southwind.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Open Systems Networking on Mon, Jun 22, 1998 at 09:19:15PM -0400 Organization: Stade Computers Ltd, UK X-Phone: +(44) 121 681 6677 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 22, 1998 at 09:19:15PM -0400, Open Systems Networking wrote: > You mean run an Xserver and clients on your FreeBSD box, and fireup xterms > ONTO your windows can? No problemo. Youll need to buy an Xserver for > windows AFAIK there are no Free ones. There are at least two free ways - one is to use Oracle's VNC software , which offers all kinds of interesting facilities - not only can you use a W95 machine as a (sort of) X server, you can also use 'vncviewer' (there is a port and also a KDE version) as an X client on your FreeBSD box to drive your W95 machine. The former is slowish but bearable, the latter really too slow to be anything other than an interesting toy. have a freely available X server. If my memory serves me right, this gives you a somewhat faster 800x600 server. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 22 20:44:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16809 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:44:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cynix.ecn.purdue.edu (cynix.ecn.purdue.edu [128.46.198.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16804 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:44:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from splite@purdue.edu) Received: (from splite@localhost) by cynix.ecn.purdue.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12890; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:44:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980622224407.A12822@cynix.ecn.purdue.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:44:07 -0500 From: Steven Plite To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: D-Link DFE-530 TX: any comments? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone using a D-Link DFE-530TX under FreeBSD? A DejaNews search came up dry, so I'm guessing it's new. It's tulip-based (according to D-Link's web site), but I understand that the (older model?) DFE-500TX has a funky transceiver chip that the Linux crew had to modify their tulip driver to handle. Is the 530TX similar in this respect? hub.freebsd.org's link through CRL seems to be down, so I can't check the archives. I need to order some NICs tomorrow, and at $22 apiece, they sound like a good deal (if they work, of course.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 22 21:47:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24400 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:47:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from home.dragondata.com (toasty@home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24395 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:47:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toasty@home.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by home.dragondata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id XAA07597; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:47:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Kevin Day Message-Id: <199806230447.XAA07597@home.dragondata.com> Subject: Re: D-Link DFE-530 TX: any comments? In-Reply-To: <19980622224407.A12822@cynix.ecn.purdue.edu> from Steven Plite at "Jun 22, 98 10:44:07 pm" To: splite@purdue.edu (Steven Plite) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:47:33 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Anyone using a D-Link DFE-530TX under FreeBSD? A DejaNews search came up > dry, so I'm guessing it's new. It's tulip-based (according to D-Link's > web site), but I understand that the (older model?) DFE-500TX has a > funky transceiver chip that the Linux crew had to modify their tulip driver > to handle. Is the 530TX similar in this respect? > > hub.freebsd.org's link through CRL seems to be down, so I can't check the > archives. I need to order some NICs tomorrow, and at $22 apiece, they > sound like a good deal (if they work, of course.) > I'm not sure if this helps you, but I rely extensively on the DFE-510TX's. They've never caused any problems for me. :) Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 22 22:10:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA27081 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:10:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA27076 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:10:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA26262 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 01:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 01:10:34 -0400 (EDT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: CMD CRD-5440 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, We've been having a hard time deciding which RAID solution to go with, and are currently torn between the DPT controller and a CMD CRD-5440. I'm kind of leaning towards the CMD, as I'm not quite sure the DPT will be trouble-free yet. Today our DPT test box just started beeping on a reboot for no apparent reason. I didn't get a chance to boot DOS to see what was up, and I started wondering how long it would beep like that at a colo with no one to hear it... So my questions are: The CMD provides a serial interface for setup/troubleshooting. I assume we could write some simple script to "look" at it every now and again and verify that there are no failed drives. Has anyone else done this? How do most people detect a failure when the machine is at a remote location? Is $1800-ish (U.S. $'s) a good price? Has anyone run into problems with the CMD? Is the firmware generally stable? How do the DPT and CMD compare for speed? We're primarily looking for RAID 1, and a few machines will use RAID 5. Any additional comments/horror-stories welcome... Thanks, Charles Charles Sprickman spork@super-g.com ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 22 22:30:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29454 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:30:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from styx.aic.net (Styx.AIC.NET [195.250.64.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA29426 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:30:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ran@styx.aic.net) Received: (from ran@localhost) by styx.aic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id KAA14875; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:29:35 +0500 ( AMT ) Message-Id: <199806230529.KAA14875@styx.aic.net> Subject: Re: AHA-2940UW DUAL/NE In-Reply-To: <199806221516.JAA28286@panzer.plutotech.com> from "Kenneth D. Merry" at "Jun 22, 98 09:16:50 am" To: ken@plutotech.com (Kenneth D. Merry) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:29:35 +0500 ( AMT ) Cc: ks@itp.ac.ru, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: ran@ran.am Reply-To: ran@ran.am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Sergey S. Kosyakov wrote... > > > > does FreeBSD support AHA-2940UW Dual controller? ahc driver in 3.0-980520-SNAP > > does not recognize it. Below is the dmesg output of "boot -dv" > > > > found-> vendor=0x9004, dev=0x7895, revid=0x03 > > class=01-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 > > intpin=a, irq=11 > > map[0]: type 4, range 32, base 0000e800, size 8 > > map[1]: type 1, range 32, base ff002000, size 12 > > found-> vendor=0x9004, dev=0x7895, revid=0x03 > > class=01-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 > > intpin=b, irq=10 > > map[0]: type 4, range 32, base 0000e400, size 8 > > map[1]: type 1, range 32, base ff001000, size 12 > > That is an Adaptec 7895. You need CAM in order to run FreeBSD on > it. See: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/cam/README > > > found-> vendor=0x1000, dev=0x000f, revid=0x03 > > class=01-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 > > intpin=a, irq=15 > > map[0]: type 4, range 32, base 0000e000, size 8 > > map[1]: type 1, range 32, base ff003000, size 8 > > map[2]: type 1, range 32, base ff000000, size 12 Look in /usr/src/sys/pci/ncr.c It is NCRs 875 UW SCSI controller. > > Not sure what that one is. > > Ken > -- > Kenneth Merry > ken@plutotech.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message -- Ran d'Adi ran@ran.am ran@styx.aic.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 22 23:10:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA04808 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:10:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles110.castles.com [208.214.165.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04795 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:10:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00729; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806230505.WAA00729@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: spork cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CMD CRD-5440 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 Jun 1998 01:10:34 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:05:19 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > We've been having a hard time deciding which RAID solution to go with, and > are currently torn between the DPT controller and a CMD CRD-5440. ... > So my questions are: > > The CMD provides a serial interface for setup/troubleshooting. I assume > we could write some simple script to "look" at it every now and again and > verify that there are no failed drives. Has anyone else done this? How > do most people detect a failure when the machine is at a remote location? You would probably want to use something like expect (ports/lang/expect and the book 'Exploring Expect') to talk to it. If you polish it a bit, it might even make for a port of its own. 8) > Has anyone run into problems with the CMD? Is the firmware generally > stable? There have been lots of happy testimonials about them, and they're marketted sufficiently successfully that I suspect they're pretty solid. Actually, I was looking at one of their units at Usenix; they pack 7 PCI slots, the CPU and memory into a 5.25" FH drive form factor - yeow! -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 22 23:19:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA04808 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:10:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles110.castles.com [208.214.165.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04795 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:10:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00729; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806230505.WAA00729@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: spork cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: CMD CRD-5440 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 Jun 1998 01:10:34 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:05:19 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > We've been having a hard time deciding which RAID solution to go with, and > are currently torn between the DPT controller and a CMD CRD-5440. ... > So my questions are: > > The CMD provides a serial interface for setup/troubleshooting. I assume > we could write some simple script to "look" at it every now and again and > verify that there are no failed drives. Has anyone else done this? How > do most people detect a failure when the machine is at a remote location? You would probably want to use something like expect (ports/lang/expect and the book 'Exploring Expect') to talk to it. If you polish it a bit, it might even make for a port of its own. 8) > Has anyone run into problems with the CMD? Is the firmware generally > stable? There have been lots of happy testimonials about them, and they're marketted sufficiently successfully that I suspect they're pretty solid. Actually, I was looking at one of their units at Usenix; they pack 7 PCI slots, the CPU and memory into a 5.25" FH drive form factor - yeow! -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 23 14:31:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12012 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:31:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au (gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au [203.17.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11979 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:31:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: from mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au ("port 1402"@[139.188.23.1]) by gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-7 #U2695) with ESMTP id <01IYLUL6BTOW0043L0@gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au> for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:30:11 +1000 Received: from gsms01.alcatel.com.au by cim.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2695) with ESMTP id <01IYLUL327I88WWQJY@cim.alcatel.com.au> for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:30:07 +1000 Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsms01.alcatel.com.au (8.8.8/8.7.3) id HAA22828 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:30:05 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:30:05 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: NE2000 network Card!!! To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <199806232130.HAA22828@gsms01.alcatel.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:19:15 -0400 (EDT), Open Systems Networking wrote: >Quite simple really. The GENERIC kernel has support for *ONE* NE2000 NIC >card at the following port, IRQ, etc.. : > >device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr > >So make sure your NE2000 is set to port 280 irq 10. Actually, this isn't necessary. All you need to do is know what your card is set to (assuming it doesn't conflict with anything else). You can re-configure the port, IRQ and memory address used by FreeBSD from within the configuration editor when you first load the kernel. It's a good idea to disable all the probes for hardware that you don't have as well - it speeds up the boot (especially if you disable SCSI and IDE disks that you don't have), and reduces the risk that an probe for non-existent hardware will disturb the hardware in your system (this should not occur in any case, but YMMV with cheap clones). Peter -- Peter Jeremy (VK2PJ) peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au Alcatel Australia Limited 41 Mandible St Phone: +61 2 9690 5019 ALEXANDRIA NSW 2015 Fax: +61 2 9690 5247 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 24 01:06:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01770 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:06:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA01645 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:05:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA12309; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:35:16 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id RAA11272; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:35:14 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980624173514.L5023@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:35:14 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Chris Dillon Cc: Duncan Barclay , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PS/2 Mouse resolution. References: <19980612155802.25601@papillon.lemis.com> <19980618183046.40637@papillon.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19980618183046.40637@papillon.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Thu, Jun 18, 1998 at 06:30:46PM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 18 June 1998 at 18:30:46 -0500, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Thu, 18 June 1998 at 0:03:50 -0500, Chris Dillon wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 11 June 1998 at 18:34:38 -0500, Chris Dillon wrote: >>>> On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, Duncan Barclay wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just upgraded my motherboard to one with a PS/2 port on it (FIC PT-2007, 430TX). >>>>> >>>>> I moved my mouse (Logicitech MouseMan) from sio0 to the PS/2 port and it is now >>>>> "slower" and a pain to use under X. I guess the resolution has increased, can >>>>> moused be used to fake it back top where it was before? >>>>> >>>>> I've tried upping the X acceleration but don't really like it, feels wrong. >>>>> >>>>> I don't want to go back the serial port, I want it for the console of >>>>> my (new) crash box. >>>> >>>> I noticed something similar when I bought this new trackball, which sits >>>> on the PS/2 port. The cursor zips across the screen fast enough, but >>>> selecting text in an xterm is a whole different story. It used to be that >>>> when I clicked/dragged to select text the "reverse" selection followed the >>>> cursor perfectly. Now it lags behind the cursor and updates in bursts. >>>> Weird, eh? Anyone know why this happens? >>> >>> Interesting. The "updates in bursts" looks like an interrupt problem. >>> I've had similar problems, but I hadn't associated them with the >>> change from serial to PS/2. I'm currently using a MouseMan on a >>> serial port on my laptop, and it works fine, but I've been having real >>> problems on my "real" machine with a PS/2 port. I thought it was the >>> screen resolution (1600x1200) which was causing the problems, but now >>> I'll investigate more carefully. >> >> If it were an interrupt problem, wouldn't the cursor itself move jumpily >> and not just the inverse selection? > > Yes. That's what comes of not reading the message carefully. Of > course, it could still be a conflict with disk access. > >> It moves even more fluidly than with my serial mouse (of course, it >> was a cheap low-res mouse). > > My impression is that the same mouse (convertible) is smoother on a > serial connection than on the PS/2 connector. As I said, I'll try > this out when I get home. I'm home now, and I've tried it out. It turns out my recollection was defective: the mouse was already connected as a serial mouse. I tried it on PS/2, and as Duncan Barclay observes, the mouse slowed down. 'xset m' doesn't help much either--if I really speed it up, it jumps in increments of up to 10 pixels. Some of this may be due to the old version of Xinside I'm using, of course. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 24 12:02:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06657 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:02:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gershwin.tera.com (gershwin.tera.com [207.224.230.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06555 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:01:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (tao.tera.com [207.108.223.55]) by gershwin.tera.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05232; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) id MAA10581; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980624120036.26225@thought.org> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:00:36 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: "kline@thought.org kline"@tera.com Subject: German translation for /bin/cp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks to Pierre David and Janick Taillandier, I have the strings below translated into French. Could any German colleague help me with a German translation? The only one that I was familiar with was overwrite==Uberschrieben found in an existing msg file. ((Exact spelling aside... .) "%s: name too long" "%s: directory causes a cycle" "%s/%s: name too long (not copied)" "%s and %s are identical (not copied)." "cannot overwrite directory %s with non-directory %s" "%s is a directory (not copied)." "黚erschreiben? %s? " "usage: cp [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-fip] src target" " cp [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-fip] src1 ... srcN directory" thanks, people, gary -- Gary D. Kline kline@tao.thought.org Public service uNix To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 24 16:46:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29241 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:46:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA29131 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:45:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk) Received: from (ragnet.demon.co.uk) [158.152.46.40] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yozEV-0007fu-00; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:45:44 +0000 Received: from dmlb by ragnet.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yoxFh-00012B-00; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:38:49 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980624173514.L5023@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:38:49 +0100 (BST) From: Duncan Barclay To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: PS/2 Mouse resolution. Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, Chris Dillon Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 24-Jun-98 Greg Lehey wrote: > On Thu, 18 June 1998 at 18:30:46 -0500, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Thu, 18 June 1998 at 0:03:50 -0500, Chris Dillon wrote: >>> On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 11 June 1998 at 18:34:38 -0500, Chris Dillon wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, Duncan Barclay wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Just upgraded my motherboard to one with a PS/2 port on it (FIC PT-2007, >>>>>> 430TX). >>>>>> >>>>>> I moved my mouse (Logicitech MouseMan) from sio0 to the PS/2 port and it >>>>>> is now >>>>>> "slower" and a pain to use under X. I guess the resolution has >>>>>> increased, can >>>>>> moused be used to fake it back top where it was before? >>>>>> >>>>>> I've tried upping the X acceleration but don't really like it, feels >>>>>> wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't want to go back the serial port, I want it for the console of >>>>>> my (new) crash box. >>>>> >>>>> I noticed something similar when I bought this new trackball, which sits >>>>> on the PS/2 port. The cursor zips across the screen fast enough, but >>>>> selecting text in an xterm is a whole different story. It used to be >>>>> that >>>>> when I clicked/dragged to select text the "reverse" selection followed >>>>> the >>>>> cursor perfectly. Now it lags behind the cursor and updates in bursts. >>>>> Weird, eh? Anyone know why this happens? >>>> >>>> Interesting. The "updates in bursts" looks like an interrupt problem. >>>> I've had similar problems, but I hadn't associated them with the >>>> change from serial to PS/2. I'm currently using a MouseMan on a >>>> serial port on my laptop, and it works fine, but I've been having real >>>> problems on my "real" machine with a PS/2 port. I thought it was the >>>> screen resolution (1600x1200) which was causing the problems, but now >>>> I'll investigate more carefully. >>> >>> If it were an interrupt problem, wouldn't the cursor itself move jumpily >>> and not just the inverse selection? >> >> Yes. That's what comes of not reading the message carefully. Of >> course, it could still be a conflict with disk access. >> >>> It moves even more fluidly than with my serial mouse (of course, it >>> was a cheap low-res mouse). >> >> My impression is that the same mouse (convertible) is smoother on a >> serial connection than on the PS/2 connector. As I said, I'll try >> this out when I get home. > > I'm home now, and I've tried it out. It turns out my recollection was > defective: the mouse was already connected as a serial mouse. I tried > it on PS/2, and as Duncan Barclay observes, the mouse slowed down. > 'xset m' doesn't help much either--if I really speed it up, it jumps > in increments of up to 10 pixels. Some of this may be due to the old > version of Xinside I'm using, of course. Did you try $ moused -r high ? Works for me, I found it in psm(4).  > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address and phone numbers > finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key --- ________________________________________________________________________ Duncan Barclay | God smiles upon the little children, dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk | the alcoholics, and the permanently stoned. ________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 24 20:20:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA02513 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:20:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from electric.tbe.net (electric.tbe.net [207.99.115.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA02490 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:20:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: (qmail 25888 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1998 03:22:14 -0000 Received: from electric.tbe.net (207.99.115.10) by electric.tbe.net with SMTP; 25 Jun 1998 03:22:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:22:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: FreeBSD Hardware List Subject: Plextor 4X12 CD-R Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone know if this drive is supported yet? Planning on buying one, just wondering if it is supported yet and if it's not, if there are any plans on including it. Thanks! ______________________________________________________________ -Gary Margiotta Voice: (973) 835-9696 TBE Internet Services Fax: (973) 835-2133 http://www.tbe.net E-Mail: gary@tbe.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 24 23:13:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA29791 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:13:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vaimsx.vai.co.at (vaimsx.vai.co.at [148.56.0.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA29497 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:12:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from HaiderRo@linz.vai.co.at) Received: by vaimsx.vai.co.at with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:10:56 +0100 Message-ID: <24A5B78580E6D111AA370008C72438BD163ADE@mail1.vai.co.at> From: Haider Roland VAI/TAW 2 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Wangtec Tape-drive Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:11:02 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello everybody, I have an old Wangtec 6130 FS (the FS is important, there are other 6130 models out that look completely different) and I can't get it probed. A search of the brought results, but do you know that feeling if you finaly find a list of drives and also your's is on it, and all hyperlinks to a data sheet but your's ? I even called thier support and to my supprise they were very friendly and within no time they faxed me a description for a 6130 drive, unfortunately not the _FS_ model. So if you have such a huge old(it's 5 1/4, double height!) please help! Many thanks in advance, roland To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 25 06:17:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA06529 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:17:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pcnet1.pcnet.com (pcnet1.pcnet.com [204.213.232.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA06511 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from krell@pcnet.com) Received: from WORKSTATION1 (pm3-pt25.pcnet.net [206.105.29.99]) by pcnet1.pcnet.com (8.8.7/PCNet) with SMTP id JAA15523 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by WORKSTATION1 with Microsoft Mail id <01BDA01B.A7AB3B60@WORKSTATION1>; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:28:47 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDA01B.A7AB3B60@WORKSTATION1> From: "Richard J. Linane" To: "'freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Mouse Troubles while configuring XFREE86 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:28:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id GAA06519 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am having difficulty having my system recognize both the PS/2 and serial port mouse while trying to configure X Windows from the 2.1.7 release CD. I have tried installing both consoles in my configuration file. device sc0 at isa? port ``IO_KBD' tty irq 1 vector scintr and device vt0 at isa? port ``IO_KBD'' tty irq 1 vector pcrint options ``PCVT_FREEBSD=210'' options XSERVER I have configured my kernel to use sio1, sio2 and psm0 with no and they are found during the boot process. The motherboard will not let me change the IRQs for these devices but they are not causing a conflict with any other device. device sio0 at isa? port ``IO_COM1'' tty irq 4 vector siointr device sio0 at isa? port ``IO_COM2'' tty irq 3 vector siointr device psm0 at isa? port ``IO_KBD'' conflicts tty irq 12 vector psmintr I am able to enter the full graphics mode to configure XFREE86 but the mouse pointer will not move no matter which protocol or device I use. I have selected every possible combination I can think of and apply the change. The mouse pointer just doesn't move. I have also tried different PS/2 and serial mice. I have also used /stand/sysinstall to change the mouse back and forth from ps2 and com1. I do not know what effect this has on the system. ( I think it saves these setting in the con fig file and kernel ??) If there is something I am missing please let me know. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Richard Linane typh0on@concentric.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 25 06:49:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA10839 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (ken@panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA10825 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:49:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id HAA15326; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:49:37 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199806251349.HAA15326@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: Plextor 4X12 CD-R In-Reply-To: from "Gary D. Margiotta" at "Jun 24, 98 11:22:13 pm" To: gary@tbe.net (Gary D. Margiotta) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:49:37 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gary D. Margiotta wrote... > Anyone know if this drive is supported yet? > > Planning on buying one, just wondering if it is supported yet and if it's > not, if there are any plans on including it. Thanks! It's supported by cdrecord, but not the worm driver. I just got mine working with CAM yesterday (Adaptec driver bug), so I'll be using it to write the CAM worm driver. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 25 07:42:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA18019 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:42:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.59.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA17961 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:42:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garybo@prodigy.net) Received: from golan (port98.pens.prodigy.net [204.237.62.98]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA47946 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:39:10 -0400 Message-ID: <35926060.67C8@prodigy.net> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:36:16 -0500 From: Gary Bond X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Moniterm Viking monitor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Cheers, I have aquired a new Viking2 Monitor 19" monochrome, which I believe is a serial monitor. It has a propietary ISA interface which I can get to work in DOS running the BIOS software for the card. I really want to use it with FreeBSD. If anyone has any experience with these any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Model # is VCX-1000 made Sept 1990. I don't have any pinout specs, but might it be possible to pin it out to be compatible with a hercules card? It will do 1024x768 with .31 dpi. Thanks in advance, gary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 25 15:23:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10254 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:23:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from eug4ja.lane.edu (eug4ja.lane.edu [158.165.5.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10124 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:22:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from CUPPLES_S@4j.lane.edu) Received: from 4j.lane.edu by 4j.lane.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #27890) id <01IYNPCSGW0O8X10B0@4j.lane.edu> for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:22:14 PST Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:22:14 -0800 (PST) From: cupples_s@4j.lane.edu Subject: HP atapi tape drive To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a client that had purchised a IDE ATAPI tape backup form HP, it appears that it is not supported under 2.2.6 release, is there any one working on support for these? Shawn Cupples South Eugene High School (541) 687-3122 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 25 16:30:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22340 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:30:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Elie.henoc.qc.ca (Elie.henoc.qc.ca [207.253.72.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22179 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:29:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Roger.Savard@henoc.com) Received: from henoc.com (smtp.henoc.qc.ca [207.253.72.6]) by Elie.henoc.qc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02584 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3592DD7D.5BD7B96E@henoc.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:30:05 -0400 From: Roger Savard Organization: Consultation Henoc Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: P2B-LS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everyone, I'm planning to get an asus p2b-ls board, I'm aware of the cam driver I'll need. I plan to use a serial console (Wyse50), I know this board is quite new but anybody has any advice? ... special BIOS settings to disable keyboard/Video card. Suppose I got this to work, how do I get to the BIOS menu from a serial console or is it not possible? Thanks for any hint. -- Roger.Savard@henoc.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 25 17:52:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04860 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:52:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from trantor.galaxia.com (terminus.galaxia.com [204.255.210.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA04751 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:51:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@galaxia.com) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by trantor.galaxia.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA06060 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:51:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dave@galaxia.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:51:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "David H. Brierley" To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Microtek scanner support? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Someone gave me a Microtek MSF-300ZS color scanner. Is there any support for this in any version of FreeBSD? I couldn't find any reference to it in any of the documentation but I wasn't sure if maybe it's similar to some other scanner that is listed. I know it's not the greatest scanner in the world, but the price was right. -- David H. Brierley dave@galaxia.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 25 18:04:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA06976 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:04:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06930 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:04:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Kurt@Boolean.Net) Received: from gypsy (mg128-241.ricochet.net [204.179.128.241]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) with SMTP id SAA11862 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806260102.SAA11862@proxy3.ba.best.com> X-Sender: boolean@shell17.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:53:24 -0700 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" Subject: Internet Server (RAID/SMP) from SAGelec Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm looking at acquiring a pair of internet servers for a new business venure. The servers need to have both decent I/O subsystems and computing capability and room for expansion. I'm right now considering rackmountable servers from SAG Electronics (www.sagelec.com). They seem to offer what I'm looking for at reasonable prices and uses fairly common components. However, my big question is reliabiity of the vendor. Was wondering if anyone has any knowledge of these folks. Also, if anyone has any suggestions for good hardware vendors that build FreeBSD-compatible servers AND is located near Silly Valley, free free to drop me a note. Thanks, Kurt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 25 20:17:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22736 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:17:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles301.castles.com [208.214.167.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA22720 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:17:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA06137; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806260318.UAA06137@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Internet Server (RAID/SMP) from SAGelec In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:53:24 PDT." <199806260102.SAA11862@proxy3.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:18:14 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Also, if anyone has any suggestions for good hardware vendors that build > FreeBSD-compatible servers AND is located near Silly Valley, free free to drop > me a note. Telenet Systems have a pretty good name; I think that Paul Vixie has beaten them well into submission when it comes to supplying decent systems. There are sure to be others in the area; you might try the -isp list for a better chance at picking them up. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 25 20:21:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA23331 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:21:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles301.castles.com [208.214.167.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA23325 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:21:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA06162; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806260321.UAA06162@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Gary Bond cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Moniterm Viking monitor In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:36:16 CDT." <35926060.67C8@prodigy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:21:43 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Cheers, > > I have aquired a new Viking2 Monitor 19" monochrome, which I > believe is a serial monitor. It's actually ECL, not serial. I can tell you right now that you're probably wasting your time, except if the card is actually out of an Apollo, in which case there is (was) rudimentary support in one of the XFree86 servers for that card, unaccelerated. > I don't have any pinout specs, but might it be possible to pin it out > to be compatible with a hercules card? It will do 1024x768 with .31 dpi. Actually, the 19" Moniterm is a bit better than that; they used to be one of the screens you'd get with Sun3 systems, which ran them at 1152x860. An 8-year-old unit is going to be pretty near death though. Summary: you're better off taking it to the tip and throwing rocks at it 'till it explodes. Or selling it to someone else and trying again. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 26 03:55:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA18124 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 03:55:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA18114 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 03:55:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01361; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:55:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199806261055.MAA01361@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: HP atapi tape drive In-Reply-To: from "cupples_s@4j.lane.edu" at "Jun 25, 98 03:22:14 pm" To: cupples_s@4j.lane.edu Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:55:52 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: S鴕en Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In reply to cupples_s@4j.lane.edu who wrote: > I have a client that had purchised a IDE ATAPI tape backup form HP, it > appears that it is not supported under 2.2.6 release, is there any one > working on support for these? > Alpha quality support is in current, more when I get time... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- S鴕en Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end? .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 26 10:56:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24470 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:56:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colossus.dyn.ml.org (dburr@206-18-112-201.la.inreach.net [206.18.112.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24359 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:56:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA05286 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:57:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_=XFMail.1.2.p0.FreeBSD:980626105721:17102=_" Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Computer Help From: Donald Burr To: FreeBSD Hardware Subject: odd problems with AMD K6 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format --_=XFMail.1.2.p0.FreeBSD:980626105721:17102=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have just updated my system to an AMD K6/233. Chip serial number is "C 9818 FPJW". And, of course, my OS is FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE. Some other details on my setup: Mobo: EFA E5TX-AT-5 "Pegasus I" Chipset: Intel 430TX (Triton); MTXC (82439TX)*1, PIIX4 (82371AB)* 1; I/O chipset is ALI M5135 (Yes, I am using the IWill sio patches...) OS: FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE, with the IWill sio patches. I heard a while back about serious problems with the K6, so I searched the mailing list archives. There were indeed problems, but AMD reportedly fixed them as of chip revision "B 9729 xxxx". Since I have heard no new problem reports since then, I am assuming my chip is one of the "good" revisions. Anyway, the system appears to be working fine and all, that is, for normal usage. However, the other day I tried a "make world" on the 2.2.6-RELEASE sources, and got an error. Which leads into... 1. Make world fails at *exactly* the same file, with *exactly* the same error. I've run three consecutive 'make world's, and all of them fail, but they fail at *exactly* the same file, with *exactly* the same error. Here is the log from one such session: ===> share/doc/papers/memfs indxbib -c /usr/src/share/doc/papers/memfs/../../../../contrib/groff/indxbib/eign -o ref.bib /usr/src/share/doc/papers/memfs/ref.bib indxbib in free(): warning: page is already free. indxbib in free(): warning: page is already free. vgrind -f < /usr/src/share/doc/papers/memfs/A.t > A.gt refer -n -e -l -s -p /usr/src/share/doc/papers/memfs/ref.bib /usr/src/share/doc/papers/memfs/0.t /usr/src/share/doc/papers/memfs/1.t A.gt > paper.t Failed assertion at line 161, file `/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/refer/../../../../contrib/groff/refer/token.cc' . Abort trap - core dumped *** Error code 134 In all cases, the "refer" process dies with signal 6, according to the system logs (dmesg). Since the problem occurs at exactly the same spot, with exactly the same error, I am leaning towards suspecting a problem on my installed system, rather than a hardware problem (since hardware trouble generally produces random, unpredictable errors). And, speaking of system crashes... 2. Odd system crash -- once. When I said before that "the system appears to be working fine and all," that was sort of a lie. The system did crash, *ONCE*. I have *NOT* been able to reproeduce this crash, however. What happened is this: I was in X, doing a *LOT* of things simultaneously (i.e. the system was heavily loaded) -- a bunch of usenet articles were being spooled in, I was running a make world, encoding some mp3's, the usual Netscape and email client, etc. Then I started up XV to view some graphics that just came in. The system froze, and rebooted. The system did dump core, however, and this is the result (using kgdb): IdlePTD 279000 current pcb at 25325c panic: vref used where vget required #0 0xf0116c5e in boot () (kgdb) bt #0 0xf0116c5e in boot () #1 0xf0116f4a in panic () #2 0xf013cc07 in vref () #3 0xf01043d0 in iso_iget () #4 0xf010686a in cd9660_root () #5 0xf013b6c0 in lookup () #6 0xf013b04d in namei () #7 0xf013fa04 in stat () #8 0xf01f59a6 in syscall () #9 0x2fc5 in ?? () #10 0x107e in ?? () Again, I have not been able to reproduce this. I've run the system ragged since then, and it hasn't crashed a single time. Now, last, but not least, I have a not-so-serious (but cosmetically ugly) problem: 3. Dmesg output is slightly screwy. If I boot tje GENERIC kernel, the CPU type is properly detected and prints out properly: CPU: AMD-K6tm w/ multimedia extensions (233.86-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x562 Stepping=2 Features=0x8001bf however, if I boot my own custom kernel, it shows something really odd. CPU: \^E (233.86-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x562 Stepping=2 Features=0x8001bf Note the odd-looking CPU name... Perhaps I'm doing something slightly wrong in my config? A copy of it is attached for your viewing pleasure. Anyway, your input is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD - Turning PCs into Workstations - http://www.freebsd.org/ (NOTE: POBoxes.com appears to be working again -- fire away!) --_=XFMail.1.2.p0.FreeBSD:980626105721:17102=_ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="CONTROL" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: CONTROL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=CONTROL; SizeOnDisk=8813 # # $Id: CONTROL,v 3.9 1998/06/25 09:33:56 dburr Exp $ # # $Log: CONTROL,v $ # Revision 3.9 1998/06/25 09:33:56 dburr # Cleaned up a few things. # Re-enabled AUTO_EOI_1 - it wasn't hurting things after all. # # Revision 3.8 1998/06/25 08:58:02 root # Fixed to work with AMD K6 CPU. # - removed AUTO_EOI_2 - new motherboard doesn't like it. # - removed PERFMON. # - probably some other things I've forgotten. # # Revision 3.7 1998/06/21 08:08:20 root # Changed ed0 to irq 9. # Added USERCONFIG and VISUAL_USERCONFIG, for the "-c" configurer. # # Revision 3.6 1998/06/04 07:41:11 dburr # Reverted to 2.2.6-RELEASE. # Removed some commented out and/or unused stuff. # # Revision 3.5 1998/05/11 11:38:22 dburr # Added firewall stuff. # Made it work. # # Revision 3.4 1998/05/11 08:13:03 dburr # Added IP firewalling. # # Revision 3.3 1998/05/11 08:10:32 dburr # Removed a few oudated stuff. # Took out the new POSIX realtime stuff. # Cleaned up other minor things. # # Revision 3.2 1998/05/11 05:31:11 dburr # Eliminated entry for 'log' pseudo-device. # (apparently no longer required in CURRENT) # # Revision 3.1 1998/05/11 05:29:58 dburr # Updated for 3.0-CURRENT. # # Revision 2.5 1998/04/21 08:33:38 dburr # Added OVERRIDE_TUNER to fix that weird Temic PAL thing. # # Revision 2.4 1998/04/10 11:16:03 dburr # Moved ed0 to irq 10. # # Revision 2.3 1998/04/10 10:42:51 dburr # Fixed defs of ed0, sb0, sbxvi0, and xsbmidi0 because I switched # back to the non-PnP ethernet card. # # Revision 2.2 1998/04/10 08:12:45 dburr # Commented out Coda stuff, until I actually download the thing! # # Revision 2.1 1998/04/10 08:08:48 dburr # Migrated configuration file to fit with FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE. # # Revision 1.19 1998/04/10 07:53:32 dburr # Changed ed0, sb0, sbxvi0, sbmidi0 to reflect crazy configuration # that PnP BIOS assigned when changing Ethernet cards. # # Revision 1.18 1998/04/06 00:57:56 dburr # Changed defines to use ISA ethernet card instead of PCI. # # Revision 1.17 1998/04/05 23:29:52 dburr # Added driver for BrookTree 848 PCI TV capture card. # # Revision 1.16 1998/03/21 10:35:03 dburr # SCBPAGING wasn't the cause of the troubles, so I put it back in. # # Revision 1.15 1998/03/20 18:30:52 dburr # Removed AHC_SCBPAGING_ENABLE to try and fix problems with tosha. # # Revision 1.14 1998/03/14 12:39:59 dburr # Upped maxusers to try and help the file table problem. # # Revision 1.13 1998/03/13 09:06:23 dburr # Upped CHILD_MAX and OPEN_MAX to 512. # # Revision 1.12 1998/03/02 11:14:47 dburr # Upped max child procs and files to 256 per user. # # Revision 1.11 1998/02/23 11:03:59 dburr # Re-enabled SCB paging. # # Revision 1.10 1998/02/16 17:30:35 dburr # Fixed typo in joy0 declaration. # # Revision 1.9 1998/02/16 17:30:00 dburr # Removed PnP support. # # Revision 1.8 1998/02/04 10:07:44 dburr # Removed flags for the nonexistent 2nd IDE disk. # Switched to FreeBSD native sound driver. # Removed NCR/SymBIOS driver since I have # decided to keep the Adaptec card. # # Revision 1.7 1998/01/24 07:43:29 dburr # Trying out original sound driver. # # Revision 1.6 1998/01/24 03:37:58 dburr # Added driver for joystick port. # # Revision 1.5 1998/01/24 03:36:33 dburr # Fixed declaration of sound driver. # # Revision 1.4 1998/01/13 14:21:59 root # fixed for new sound driver. # # Revision 1.3 1998/01/13 07:50:44 root # Added lines for PnP support. # Deleted old sound driver lines. # Added support for PnP sound card. # # Revision 1.2 1998/01/13 07:43:01 root # removed all unused entries. # trimmed down all comments. # # Revision 1.1 1998/01/13 07:25:03 root # Initial revision # # # Kernel configuration file for: # HOST: control.colossus.dyn.ml.org # ARCH: i386 # CPU: i586 # OS: FreeBSD # OSREL: 2.2.6-RELEASE # machine "i386" # we are on an Intel x86 architecture ident CONTROL # identification of this kernel maxusers 100 # sizes certain tables for 10 users options CHILD_MAX=512 # up the limit for max. procs per user options OPEN_MAX=512 # up the limit for max. open files options "MAXDSIZ=(256*1024*1024)" # max. proc size = 256MB options "DFLDSIZ=(256*1024*1024)" # dflt. proc. size = 256MB options INCLUDE_CONFIG_FILE # Include this file in kernel config kernel root on wd0 dumps on wd0 # where root fs and crashdumps are cpu "I586_CPU" # our cpu is a Pentium-class CPU options "CPU_SUSP_HLT" # suspend the CPU on system halt options "COMPAT_43" # syscalls compatible with 4.3BSD options USER_LDT # allow user-level control of i386 ldt options SYSVSHM # SysV IPC (shared memory) options SYSVSEM # SysV IPC (semaphores) options SYSVMSG # SysV IPC (message queues) options "MD5" # MD5 checking in kernel options KTRACE # kernel tracing via ktrace(2) options UCONSOLE # let users grab the console options USERCONFIG # user configuration editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG # visual user config editor options INET # Internet communications protocols options IPX # IPX/SPX communications protocols options NETATALK # Appletalk communications protocols pseudo-device ether # Generic Ethernet pseudo-device loop # Network loopback device pseudo-device sl 2 # Serial Line IP pseudo-device ppp 2 # Point-to-point protocol pseudo-device bpfilter 6 # Berkeley packet filter pseudo-device tun 2 # Tunnel driver(user process ppp) options "TCP_COMPAT_42" # emulate 4.2BSD TCP bugs options FFS # Fast filesystem options NFS # Network File System options "CD9660" # ISO 9660 filesystem options MSDOSFS # MS DOS File System options PROCFS # Process filesystem options NSWAPDEV=5 # max. number of swap devices options QUOTA # enable disk quotas controller scbus0 # base SCSI code device ch0 # SCSI media changers device sd0 # SCSI disks device st0 # SCSI tapes device cd0 # SCSI CD-ROMs device od0 # SCSI optical disk device worm0 at scbus? # SCSI worm device pt0 at scbus? # SCSI processor type device sctarg0 at scbus? # SCSI target options SCSIDEBUG # enable SCSI debug macros options SCSI_REPORT_GEOMETRY # always report geometry options OD_AUTO_TURNOFF # auto-spindown od's pseudo-device pty 16 # Pseudo ttys - can go as high as 256 pseudo-device speaker # Play music out your speaker pseudo-device log # Kernel syslog interface (/dev/klog) pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's pseudo-device vn 4 # Vnode driver (turns file into device) pseudo-device snp 4 # Snoop - to look at pty/vty/etc.. pseudo-device ccd 4 # Concatenated disk driver pseudo-device su # scsi user pseudo-device ssc # super scsi controller isa0 # ISA bus options "AUTO_EOI_1" # Enable AUTO_EOI for master 8259 options BOUNCE_BUFFERS # needed if >16MB RAM for busmaster device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr # syscons console driver options MAXCONS=12 # number of virtual consoles device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" iosiz 0x0 flags 0x0 irq 13 vector npxintr # math coprocessor support controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 flags 0x80ff vector wdintr # primary IDE controller disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 # primary master drive controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 flags 0x80ff vector wdintr # secondary IDE controller disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 # secondary master drive controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr # floppy drive controller disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 # floppy drive 1 device lpt0 at isa? port? tty irq 7 vector lptintr # printer port device psm0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" conflicts tty irq 12 vector psmintr # PS/2 mouse port device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr # serial port 1 device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 vector siointr # serial port 2 device ed0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 9 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr # Ethernet card controller snd0 # sound card controller device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 vector sbintr # SoundBlaster 16 device sbxvi0 at isa? drq 5 # SoundBlaster 16 device sbmidi0 at isa? port 0x330 # SoundBlaster 16 device opl0 at isa? port 0x388 # OPL-3 FM synthesizer device joy0 at isa? port "IO_GAME" # Joystick port device pca0 at isa? port IO_TIMER1 tty # PC audio driver (sound out speaker) controller pci0 # PCI bus device bktr0 # BrookTree 848 PCI TV capture card options OVERRIDE_TUNER=1 # force it to be Temic NTSC tuner controller ahc0 # Adaptec PCI SCSI card options AHC_TAGENABLE # Enable tagged command queueing options AHC_SCBPAGING_ENABLE # Enable SCB paging options AHC_ALLOW_MEMIO # Allow memory-mapped I/O options SCSI_DELAY=8 # let SCSI devices spinup before probe options "SHMMAX=(SHMMAXPGS*PAGE_SIZE+1)" # increase max. shared memory size --_=XFMail.1.2.p0.FreeBSD:980626105721:17102=_-- End of MIME message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 26 10:59:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25147 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:59:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ryouko.nas.nasa.gov (ryouko.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.34.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25065 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:58:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from greg@ryouko.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from ryouko.nas.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ryouko.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.7/NAS8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA08596 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806261758.KAA08596@ryouko.nas.nasa.gov> To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Internet Server (RAID/SMP) from SAGelec In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:18:14 PDT." <199806260318.UAA06137@antipodes.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:58:58 -0700 From: "Gregory P. Smith" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Also, if anyone has any suggestions for good hardware vendors that build > > FreeBSD-compatible servers AND is located near Silly Valley, free free to d > > me a note. > > Telenet Systems have a pretty good name; I think that Paul Vixie has > beaten them well into submission when it comes to supplying decent > systems. There are sure to be others in the area; you might try the > -isp list for a better chance at picking them up. > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith Just for reference: http://www.tesys.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 26 11:04:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26362 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:04:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [195.8.133.1] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26132 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:03:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02415 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:01:39 +0200 (CEST) To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: E3/G.703 cards anyone ? From: Poul-Henning Kamp Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:01:38 +0200 Message-ID: <2413.898884098@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anybody know of any PCI cards with an E3/G.703 interface of some kind ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 26 12:51:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17046 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:51:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw2.asacomputers.com (gw2.asacomputers.com [204.153.176.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16951 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:50:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kedar@asacomputers.com) Received: from kedar.asacomputers.com (alan.asacomputers.com [204.153.176.86]) by gw2.asacomputers.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA15086 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:51:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kedar@asacomputers.com) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980626194736.011fe668@gw1> X-Sender: rajadnya@gw1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:47:36 -0700 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Kedar Rajadnya Subject: DPT 2144UWR. Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am having a strange problem with this RAID controller. Refuses to be recognized. Has anybody used this card successfully, please? Do advise. TIA, Kedar. Take care, Kedar Rajadnya. ASA Computers, Inc. TEL: (408)232-5999 ext201 FAX:(408)232-5959 ********************************************* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 26 14:10:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02831 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:10:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from math.berkeley.edu (math.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.183.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02701 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:10:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@math.berkeley.edu) Received: (from dan@localhost) by math.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA23111; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:10:17 -0700 (PDT) From: dan@math.berkeley.edu (Dan Strick) Message-Id: <199806262110.OAA23111@math.berkeley.edu> To: HaiderRo@linz.vai.co.at Subject: Re: Wangtec Tape-drive Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have an old Wangtec 6130 FS (the FS is important, there are other 6130 I think I unofficially "beta" tested an early version of this drive. It had the charming property of making a request-sense command pause while a rewind was in progress (~20 sec). My notes suggest that it exhibited truly creative brain damage in its treatment of the medium partition mode page, though I forget what it was. I recall that I hated this device so much that I swore I would never buy a Wangtek (this is how my note spells it) tape drive again. Caveat: Have fun anyway. Your mileage may vary. Dan Strick dan@math.berkeley.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 26 16:16:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23676 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:16:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from atlantis.nconnect.net (atlantis.nconnect.net [207.227.50.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23545 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:15:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kb8rjy@arbornet.org) Received: from arbornet.org (birddog-mke-x2-98.nconnect.net [207.227.61.98]) by atlantis.nconnect.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24036; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:03:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35942AED.371B76D6@arbornet.org> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:12:45 -0500 From: Shaun Qualheim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Burr CC: FreeBSD Hardware Subject: Re: odd problems with AMD K6 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is your fan working properly? does it have a large enough cooling capacity? We had problems with a k6 machine when it's fan stopped working. Shaun Q. sdqualheim@students.wisc.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 26 23:40:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA22812 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:40:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sophia.pacific.net.sg (sophia.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA22792; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:40:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from accel@pacific.net.sg) Received: from pop1.pacific.net.sg (pop1.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.85]) by sophia.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP id OAA24218; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:40:39 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [210.24.242.127] (dyn120ppp99.pacific.net.sg [210.24.120.99]) by pop1.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP id OAA10836; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:40:35 +0800 (SGT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:37:03 +0800 To: "Timothy M. Hughes" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: Richard Goh Subject: Re: RealTek RTL 8129 PCI Fast Ethernet Card Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org HI, Has anyone got the driver to work yet? Just bought an Advantech panel pc thinking that "NE2000 compatible" was all i needed. Needless to say, countless rebuilds later ..... Thanks for any tips. Rgds Richard On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Eivind Eklund wrote: > On Tue, Mar 17, 1998 at 08:04:15AM -0500, Timothy M. Hughes wrote: > > Has anyone got one of these things to work yet?? I mailed > > questions@freebsd.org and got a response that it was "probably" a > > proprietary driver. If you have a driver or have gotten it to work, > > please email me directly (I dont subscibe). > > RealTek is fairly good at supporting free OSes (even sometimes writing > drivers themselves). > > I don't think you should have a problem getting info from them, but it > is probably correct that it is a properitary chip (probably with an > almost complete clone of the interface of a popular chipset, so making > drivers work should be easy). Unlike the 8019/8029 (which are NE2000 clones), the 8129/8139 appear to be their own design and not compatible with anything else. However, datasheets that look complete enough to write a driver are available on their website (www.realtek.com.tw), and there also exists a Linux driver to crib from (see http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/misc/100mbs.html ) [Sorry if you see two copies of this - I think I killed the one with an incorrect URL, but it may have escaped] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message www@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jun 27 06:55:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA14699 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 06:55:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA14687 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 06:55:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk) Received: from (ragnet.demon.co.uk) [158.152.46.40] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ypvRc-0003xP-00; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:55:09 +0000 Received: from dmlb by ragnet.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0ypelz-0007jN-00; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:07:03 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199806261758.KAA08596@ryouko.nas.nasa.gov> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:07:03 +0100 (BST) From: Duncan Barclay To: "Gregory P. Smith" Subject: Re: Internet Server (RAID/SMP) from SAGelec Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 26-Jun-98 Gregory P. Smith wrote: > >> > Also, if anyone has any suggestions for good hardware vendors that build >> > FreeBSD-compatible servers AND is located near Silly Valley, free free to >> > d >> > me a note. >> >> Telenet Systems have a pretty good name; I think that Paul Vixie has >> beaten them well into submission when it comes to supplying decent >> systems. There are sure to be others in the area; you might try the >> -isp list for a better chance at picking them up. >> >> -- >> \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > > Just for reference: http://www.tesys.com Again for reference for our UK based people www.gnd.com seem to build good systems. Their web page is along the lines of "we build systems for FreeBSD, [then other lesser systems]". Haven't bought anything from then yet though. Duncan --- ________________________________________________________________________ Duncan Barclay | God smiles upon the little children, dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk | the alcoholics, and the permanently stoned. ________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jun 27 13:23:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23193 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:23:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23174; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:23:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from serv.net (dialup500.serv.net [207.207.70.65]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19449; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: fewtch@serv.net From: Tim Gerchmez To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Syquest SparQ Parallel Port driver... Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, Anyone know if anybody is working on a FreeBSD driver for the Syquest SparQ parallel port drive, or if such a driver exists already in a beta stage? I've contacted ShuttleTech as well (probably useless) about this requesting any info. they can provide. Thanks for any info (plz Email me direct), Tim fewtch@serv.net ---------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: Tim Gerchmez Date: 27-Jun-98 Time: 13:19:41 This message was sent by XFMail under Fvwm2 and FREEBSD. My personal website is at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html Take a look if you have the time - something for everyone there. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jun 27 14:42:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05166 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:42:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ringworld.uniscape.com ([207.245.48.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA05154 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:42:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stefanos@ringworld.uniscape.com) Received: from traveler by ringworld.uniscape.com (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA02271; Sat, 27 Jun 98 17:46:55 -0400 From: Stefanos Kiakas Message-Id: <9806272146.AA02271@ringworld.uniscape.com> Received: by traveler.uniscape.com (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA01726; Sat, 27 Jun 98 17:46:37 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 98 17:46:37 -0400 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RAID and FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I have been using FreeBSD for the last year and I am interested in setting up a RAID server. I was wondering what hardware and what software choices I have under FreeBSD? Specifically what hardware is support (works), and what is in beta. I know about ccd, but I'm looking for other solutions as well. I would appreciate any help you can provide. Thank you, Stefanos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jun 27 16:53:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19620 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:53:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19601 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:53:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id JAA25569; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 09:22:53 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980628092252.R23035@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 09:22:52 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Stefanos Kiakas , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID and FreeBSD References: <9806272146.AA02271@ringworld.uniscape.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <9806272146.AA02271@ringworld.uniscape.com>; from Stefanos Kiakas on Sat, Jun 27, 1998 at 05:46:37PM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday, 27 June 1998 at 17:46:37 -0400, Stefanos Kiakas wrote: > Hello, > > I have been using FreeBSD for the last year and I am interested > in setting up a RAID server. I was wondering what hardware and what software > choices I have under FreeBSD? Specifically what hardware is support (works), > and what is in beta. > > I know about ccd, but I'm looking for other solutions as well. I would > appreciate any help you can provide. Check out http://www.lemis.com/vinum.html. It's a replacement for ccd. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jun 27 20:26:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16079 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:26:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [206.127.225.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA16056 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:25:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard@pegasus.com) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id RAA25541; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:24:53 -1001 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:24:53 -1001 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199806280325.RAA25541@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Greg Lehey "Re: RAID and FreeBSD" (Jun 28, 9:22am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Greg Lehey , Stefanos Kiakas , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID and FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org } > I have been using FreeBSD for the last year and I am interested } > in setting up a RAID server. I was wondering what hardware and what software } > choices I have under FreeBSD? Specifically what hardware is support (works), } > and what is in beta. } > } > I know about ccd, but I'm looking for other solutions as well. I would } > appreciate any help you can provide. } } Check out http://www.lemis.com/vinum.html. It's a replacement for ccd. } Having had a software RAID system fail I would recommend against them. RAID is supposed to add reliability. Done in software in the kernel it adds complexity and uncertainty. With hardware RAID there is greater assurance that once you've used it for a few weeks or months that it will remain consistent. As part of an OS kernel (drivers, etc.) uncertainty revisits every time the system software is upgraded, patched or changed in some way. Hardware RAID may be a touch slower, but it's more trustworthy. Richard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jun 27 20:31:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16597 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:31:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16588 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:31:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA28475; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:01:08 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980628130108.I28055@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:01:08 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Richard Foulk , Stefanos Kiakas , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID and FreeBSD References: <199806280325.RAA25541@pegasus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199806280325.RAA25541@pegasus.com>; from Richard Foulk on Sat, Jun 27, 1998 at 05:24:53PM -1001 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday, 27 June 1998 at 17:24:53 -1001, Richard Foulk wrote: >>> I have been using FreeBSD for the last year and I am interested >>> in setting up a RAID server. I was wondering what hardware and what software >>> choices I have under FreeBSD? Specifically what hardware is support (works), >>> and what is in beta. >>> >>> I know about ccd, but I'm looking for other solutions as well. I would >>> appreciate any help you can provide. >> >> Check out http://www.lemis.com/vinum.html. It's a replacement for ccd. > > Having had a software RAID system fail I would recommend against them. What would you have done if you had had a hardware RAID system fail? > RAID is supposed to add reliability. Done in software in the kernel it > adds complexity and uncertainty. RAID anywhere is a complex business. And yes, it has bugs. We've heard, for example, of a number of bugs in the DPT (hardware) raid boxes. > With hardware RAID there is greater assurance that once you've used > it for a few weeks or months that it will remain consistent. As > part of an OS kernel (drivers, etc.) uncertainty revisits every time > the system software is upgraded, patched or changed in some way. I suppose if you don't upgrade your RAID box, you don't change old bugs for new. The same applies to a kernel, of course. > Hardware RAID may be a touch slower, but it's more trustworthy. I'm not contesting this, though I'm surprised you think it's slower. I would expect it to be faster, since you have another processor to which you can offload the work. At the moment, of course, we don't have anything to go on. The real question is: how can each fail? How great is the likelihood of losing data? ccd is a particularly poor choice in this matter, since even with mirroring, the failure of one mirror takes it down and you have to reconfigure. vinum doesn't have this problem. I'd like to discuss this matter, since it could have some effect on how vinum develops. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jun 27 20:50:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA18274 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:50:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [206.127.225.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA18269 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:50:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard@pegasus.com) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id RAA25683; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:50:06 -1000 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:50:06 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199806280350.RAA25683@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Greg Lehey "Re: RAID and FreeBSD" (Jun 28, 1:01pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Greg Lehey , Stefanos Kiakas , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID and FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org } > Having had a software RAID system fail I would recommend against them. } } What would you have done if you had had a hardware RAID system fail? } ?? Fix it or replace it. } > With hardware RAID there is greater assurance that once you've used } > it for a few weeks or months that it will remain consistent. As } > part of an OS kernel (drivers, etc.) uncertainty revisits every time } > the system software is upgraded, patched or changed in some way. } } I suppose if you don't upgrade your RAID box, you don't change old } bugs for new. The same applies to a kernel, of course. Even if you upgrade your RAID box (which happens much less often than OS upgrades in my experience), the system is simpler and the RAID is much more likely to be just like the vendors units. With OS-based software RAID you'll almost never have a configuration just like the vendor's. } } > Hardware RAID may be a touch slower, but it's more trustworthy. } } I'm not contesting this, though I'm surprised you think it's slower. } I would expect it to be faster, since you have another processor to } which you can offload the work. At the moment, of course, we don't } have anything to go on. It depends. Most of the hardware implementations I have experience with have been somewhat slower than their software counterparts. The interface is the bottleneck. It's easier to add additional I/O channels to the same logical device when the RAID resides within the OS. If you have a 10-Gig partition spread over five drives you could have as many as five host SCSI interfaces pumping data simultaneously. With an external (hardware RAID) system it's difficult to utilize more than one I/O channel for the full 10-Gigs. Richard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jun 27 20:53:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA18461 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:53:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA18452 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:53:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA28508; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:23:00 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980628132300.J28055@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:23:00 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Richard Foulk , Stefanos Kiakas , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID and FreeBSD References: <199806280350.RAA25683@pegasus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199806280350.RAA25683@pegasus.com>; from Richard Foulk on Sat, Jun 27, 1998 at 05:50:06PM -1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday, 27 June 1998 at 17:50:06 -1000, Richard Foulk wrote: >>> Having had a software RAID system fail I would recommend against them. >> >> What would you have done if you had had a hardware RAID system fail? > > ?? > > Fix it or replace it. But not recommend against it? >>> With hardware RAID there is greater assurance that once you've used >>> it for a few weeks or months that it will remain consistent. As >>> part of an OS kernel (drivers, etc.) uncertainty revisits every time >>> the system software is upgraded, patched or changed in some way. >> >> I suppose if you don't upgrade your RAID box, you don't change old >> bugs for new. The same applies to a kernel, of course. > > Even if you upgrade your RAID box (which happens much less often than > OS upgrades in my experience), the system is simpler That's a valid point. > and the RAID is much more likely to be just like the vendors units. I don't understand that. What are you saying? > With OS-based software RAID you'll almost never have a configuration > just like the vendor's. I still don't understand. Are you saying that configurability is a disadvantage? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jun 27 22:31:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00318 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 22:31:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [206.127.225.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA00302 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 22:31:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard@pegasus.com) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id TAA26134; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:31:09 -1000 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:31:09 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199806280531.TAA26134@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Greg Lehey "Re: RAID and FreeBSD" (Jun 28, 1:23pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID and FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org } > Even if you upgrade your RAID box (which happens much less often than } > OS upgrades in my experience), the system is simpler } } That's a valid point. } } > and the RAID is much more likely to be just like the vendors units. } } I don't understand that. What are you saying? Software RAID, implemented as a device driver, is an integral part of the OS kernel. The kernel is a large collection of device drivers and tools for accessing hardware. With Unix that collection is different on just about every host that runs it -- due to so many different hardware configurations. } } > With OS-based software RAID you'll almost never have a configuration } > just like the vendor's. } } I still don't understand. Are you saying that configurability is a } disadvantage? } No. Complexity is a disadvantage. I look at RAID as a large repository for treasures that are collected over time. The host system is the toolset used to mine those treasures. The toolset is constantly being revised and updated as we devise better ways to manipulate the data. Though the data on the RAID is probably being revised and updated too, the means of storing it probably isn't. RAID is a powerful way of scattering large amounts of bits among a collection of disks. It raises my comfort level to be able to say that that complex system has been working reliably (unchanged) for so many months and I have reason to expect that it will continue doing so. Unix is a fabulous operating system that does many things quite well. One of it's shortcomings is that the kernel is usually one large monolithic program which combines all of it's device drivers together in the same address space. Any driver is free to scribble in the code or data of any other. So unlike a hardware RAID which is relatively simple and well-tested in comparison. The various Unix device drivers that one implementation brings into play may not even have been used together before. Being of widely varying pedigree, maturity and level of testing, any one of these drivers is free to modify the guts of the software RAID engine directly. Free to change the way the mass data spew amplifier (RAID) throws it's data around. When it's working correctly the RAID spreads data among it's drives pretty wildly. Change a bit or two in one of it's algorithms and look out! If the driver or associated hardware for your video, keyboard, mouse, cd-rom, sound-card or printer malfunctions you fix it and go back to work. If your RAID fails, some of your hard-won treasure may be lost forever. Richard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message