From owner-freebsd-java Mon Oct 19 17:48:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12992 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:48:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotmail.com (f103.hotmail.com [207.82.250.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA12986 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:48:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from inge1questions@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 29189 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 1998 00:47:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19981020004754.29188.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.112.75.79 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:47:53 PDT X-Originating-IP: [24.112.75.79] From: "Edward Ing" To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: AWT with what window toolkit? Please correct me if I Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:47:53 PDT Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that to see AWT classes work you need to have the motif windowing tookit (or lesstif) if you are not using a browser client, but a stand alone client. What are the impediments to making AWT in its JDK form work on other windowing systems like KDE? 1. Is it the case that the JDK from Sun is coded with Motif and that the difficulty is to write the AWT to use the KDE widgets(for example?) 2. Or is it the case that Sun licensing will not allow someone to write class to a different windowing system set? I was wondering how difficult programming wise and legalities-wise it would be to build a JDK AWT to use KDE. Edward Ing ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Mon Oct 19 18:09:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15363 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:09:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15358 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:09:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA25654; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:09:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA08479; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:09:07 -0600 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:09:07 -0600 Message-Id: <199810200109.TAA08479@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Edward Ing" Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AWT with what window toolkit? Please correct me if I In-Reply-To: <19981020004754.29188.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <19981020004754.29188.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Please correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that to see AWT > classes work you need to have the motif windowing tookit (or lesstif) if > you are not using a browser client, but a stand alone client. The JDK must be linked with Motif, yes. > What are the impediments to making AWT in its JDK form work on other > windowing systems like KDE? > 1. Is it the case that the JDK from Sun is coded with Motif and that the > difficulty is to write the AWT to use the KDE widgets(for example?) This is at least part of it. > 2. Or is it the case that Sun licensing will not allow someone to write > class to a different windowing system set? You'd have to take up the legalities with SUN, but I don't think any of us 'armchair' lawyers would have any idea if you could distribute such a modified JDK. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Mon Oct 19 18:45:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20253 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:45:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.44.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA20245 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:45:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glewis@maths.adelaide.edu.au) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.4/8.8.4/UofA-1.5) id LAA26442; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:14:51 +0930 (CST) From: Gregory D Lewis Message-Id: <199810200144.LAA26442@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: AWT with what window toolkit? Please correct me if I To: inge1questions@hotmail.com (Edward Ing) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:14:50 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19981020004754.29188.qmail@hotmail.com> from "Edward Ing" at Oct 19, 98 05:47:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Please correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that to see AWT > classes work you need to have the motif windowing tookit (or lesstif) if > you are not using a browser client, but a stand alone client. > > What are the impediments to making AWT in its JDK form work on other > windowing systems like KDE? > 1. Is it the case that the JDK from Sun is coded with Motif and that the > difficulty is to write the AWT to use the KDE widgets(for example?) I think there is some confusion here. KDE is a desktop environment which includes a window manager and related tools. Its not a graphics library. It does however base itself upon Troll Tech's Qt graphic library. This is to say, you want to refer to Motif and Qt, not Motif and KDE. > 2. Or is it the case that Sun licensing will not allow someone to write > class to a different windowing system set? > > I was wondering how difficult programming wise and legalities-wise it > would be to build a JDK AWT to use KDE. Programming wise, if you can sign the appropriate form and get a look at the JDK code then the question reduces to "Can I translate the appropriate Motif calls to {Qt/GTK/FLTK/whatever} calls?". I would suggest the answer is "yes", but it may or may not be easy depending upon how close the feature sets are in functionality and implementation. You might want to look at Kaffe, which has done its own GPL'ed AWT implementation instead of using Motif (www.transvirtual.com/kaffe.html). As for the legalities of doing so, Nate has answered this question already :). In addition, you would have to check the license of the graphics library you are intending to use (Qt in your case). You should note in Qt's case that its not "free software". That is, if anyone used such a JDK for a commercial purpose they would have to buy a Qt license from Troll Tech. -- Greg Lewis Applied Maths Department Email : glewis@maths.adelaide.edu.au University of Adelaide -- I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Mon Oct 19 22:25:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07777 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:25:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from poboxer.pobox.com (port25.prairietech.net [208.141.230.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA07765 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:25:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alk@poboxer.pobox.com) Received: (from alk@localhost) by poboxer.pobox.com (8.9.1/8.7.3) id AAA08122; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:23:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:23:57 -0500 (CDT) X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Reply-To: alk@pobox.com To: nate@mt.sri.com Cc: inge1questions@hotmail.com, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AWT with what window toolkit? Please correct me if I References: <19981020004754.29188.qmail@hotmail.com> <199810200109.TAA08479@mt.sri.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13867.59676.952621.909497@avalon.east> Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoth Nate Williams on Mon, 19 October: : > Please correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that to see AWT : > classes work you need to have the motif windowing tookit (or lesstif) if : > you are not using a browser client, but a stand alone client. : : The JDK must be linked with Motif, yes. I find lesstif 0.86.5 to be more than adequate, in the sense that I've never encountered a bug I couldn't trivially either work around or else fix. I know Nate is antipathetic to Lesstif -- understandably, as regards the earlier versions against which the JDK was tried in times past, but would ask whether this is on the basis of recent or obsolete experience? : > 2. Or is it the case that Sun licensing will not allow someone to write : > class to a different windowing system set? : : You'd have to take up the legalities with SUN, but I don't think any of : us 'armchair' lawyers would have any idea if you could distribute such a : modified JDK. As an "'armchair' lawyer" of the worst kind, I will opine that it is clearly and categorically amenable to the JDK license to distribute a KDE-based AWT shared library in binary form -- I don't know enough about the Troll/GNU issues of KDE to make even an armchair comment, however. Moreover, and more dramatically, I opine (off the top of my head) that it is conformant to law for a JDK licensee to distribute the source code for a such a library independently of Sun's approval. I'm less inclined to comment on the issues surrounding distribution of a "modified JDK", but I doubt that this is really of central importance to the original inquirer. I can't really interpret the original query literally, however -- "allow someone to write class to a different windowing system set" is only marginally meaningful to me and to the degree to which it is meaningful represents such a weak requirement, that the answer is (what seems to be too) deceptively easy: You can *write* what you like! IF you don't *distribute* anything the probability of lawsuit approaches very close to zero. Programming-wise, there is an almost-working example of doing such a thing, libtawt: wc -l color.* image.* img_* tiny* ../../share/sun/gif/*.c | tail -1 6061 total It takes ~6kloc to implement libtawt. I'm guessing a good QT programmer can clone this handily in two weeks, excluding all social life. 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Memphis, Tennessee www.tcii.net/premonition To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Oct 20 22:41:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA18872 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:41:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotmail.com (f69.hotmail.com [207.82.251.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA18863 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:41:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from inge1questions@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 8188 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 1998 05:41:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19981021054119.8187.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.112.75.79 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:41:18 PDT X-Originating-IP: [24.112.75.79] From: "Edward Ing" To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: I got the port of JDK 1.1.5 and it compiles and works but I don't understand. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:41:18 PDT Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I got the port of JDK 1.1.5 from the FreeBSD site. And it compiled, though I do not have motif. Secondly, when I ran an AWT based application. The frame showed up when using fvwm. I thought it would not work with out Motif. Am not understanding something? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Oct 21 06:21:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15484 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 06:21:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iglou.com (iglou3.iglou.com [192.107.41.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA15470 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 06:21:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from patrick@cre8tivegroup.com) Received: from [204.255.227.69] (helo=gateway.cre8tivegroup.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.1/8.9.1) id 0zVxQ6-0004cB-00; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:31:18 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19981021054119.8187.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:30:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Patrick Gardella To: Edward Ing Subject: RE: I got the port of JDK 1.1.5 and it compiles and works but I Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 21-Oct-98 Edward Ing wrote: > I got the port of JDK 1.1.5 from the FreeBSD site. And it compiled, > though I do not have motif. > > Secondly, when I ran an AWT based application. The frame showed up when > using fvwm. > > I thought it would not work with out Motif. Am not understanding > something? Yes. Our JDK port has been compiled against Motif, so the necessary "stuff" is build into JDK. You do not need to have Motif installed at all. Patrick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Oct 21 06:29:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA16606 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 06:29:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sussie.datadesign.se (ns.datadesign.se [194.23.109.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA16575 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 06:29:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaj@interbizz.se) Received: from localhost (sussie.datadesign.se [194.23.109.130]) by sussie.datadesign.se (8.8.5/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA10773; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:28:57 +0200 (MET DST) To: inge1questions@hotmail.com Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: kaj@interbizz.se Subject: Re: I got the port of JDK 1.1.5 and it compiles and works but I don't understand. From: Rasmus Kaj In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:41:18 PDT" <19981021054119.8187.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <19981021054119.8187.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.92 on Emacs 19.34 X-URL: http://www.e.kth.se/~kaj/ X-Phone: +46 (0)8 - 692 35 09 / +46 (0)70 640 49 14 X-Attribution: Kaj X-Face: M9cR~WYav<"fu%MaslX0`43PAYY?uIsM8[#E(0\Xuy9rj>4gE\h3jm.7DD?]R8*^7T\o&vT U@[53Dwkuup4[0@gw#~kyu>`unH?kVj9CJa02(h>Ki\+i=%rn%sDf^KC.!?IHkKjMAbkd\jgmphp^' d|Q;OeXEAhq?ybGqOs1CHb6TJT42'C`Krnk61//AOfXtNjj/t'`5>Vw0QX!dKfOL$.f+S"LIuwR<;I Z0Qnnx(F^F]o@*V%TUtEV'1Z[TkOl^FFV9Z~A[b19%}uP*,huCU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19981021152856M.kaj@interbizz.se> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:28:56 +0200 X-Dispatcher: imput version 971024 Lines: 28 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>>>> "EI" == Edward Ing writes: EI> I got the port of JDK 1.1.5 from the FreeBSD site. And it EI> compiled, though I do not have motif. EI> Secondly, when I ran an AWT based application. The frame EI> showed up when using fvwm. EI> I thought it would not work with out Motif. Am not EI> understanding something? The JDK on the FreeBSD site is statically linked with Motif. You probably didn't compile it, since the FreeBSD java team (of which I am not part) don't provide any source, since they had to sign a non-disclosure with sun to get the source themselves. If you were to actually compile JDK yourself, you'd need the Motif libraries and headers, and you'd need to sign Sun's non-disclosure agreement. If you just like to run or develop java apps, you only need the binary JDK distribution, which, I take it, you have. // Rasmus Kaj -- kaj@cityonline.se --------------- Rasmus Kaj - http://www.e.kth.se/~kaj/ \ CityOnLine IB Production AB - http://www.CityOnLine.se/ \------------------------ Microsoft: How long do U want to wait today? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Oct 21 11:01:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17548 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:01:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17540 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:01:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA12585; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:59:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA22652; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:59:38 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:59:38 -0600 Message-Id: <199810211759.LAA22652@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Rasmus Kaj Cc: inge1questions@hotmail.com, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I got the port of JDK 1.1.5 and it compiles and works but I don't understand. In-Reply-To: <19981021152856M.kaj@interbizz.se> References: <19981021054119.8187.qmail@hotmail.com> <19981021152856M.kaj@interbizz.se> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The JDK on the FreeBSD site is statically linked with Motif. You > probably didn't compile it, since the FreeBSD java team (of which I am > not part) don't provide any source, since they had to sign a > non-disclosure with sun to get the source themselves. However, we did provide the patches to build it if you do have the sources. :) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Oct 22 13:09:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22236 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:09:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fs.IConNet.NET (fs.IConNet.NET [199.173.160.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22220 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:09:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from schevrel@bacreative.com) Received: from bacreative.com (client200-73-11.bacreative.com [151.200.90.11] (may be forged)) by fs.IConNet.NET (IConNet Sendmail) with ESMTP id QAA24877 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <362F902C.B20337AC@bacreative.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:06:04 -0400 From: Sebastien Chevrel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Oct 22 21:20:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA18022 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:20:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA18015 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:20:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01295 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:19:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199810230419.VAA01295@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: jdk1.1.7? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:19:40 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I faxed my jdk1.1.7 application this Monday and today I received access to the jdk1.1.7 sources 8) So I am wondering if the group feels up to porting jdk1.1.7... Cheers, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Oct 23 00:26:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA02370 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:26:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hopf.uoregon.edu (hopf.uoregon.edu [128.223.36.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA02365 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:26:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jl@hopf.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (jl@localhost) by hopf.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA31020 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:26:00 -0700 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:26:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Joshua Lackey To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: jdk1.1.7? In-Reply-To: <199810230419.VAA01295@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hehe. I got my source today also. (Really wanted to see how they implemented BigInteger.) Anyone know if they allow us to grab 1.2 (alpha)? Josh. ps: *groan* I'm looking at the 279k src.diffs file for jdk1.1.6 under FreeBSD... On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > I faxed my jdk1.1.7 application this Monday and today I received > access to the jdk1.1.7 sources 8) > > > So I am wondering if the group feels up to porting jdk1.1.7... > > Cheers, > Amancio > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message > -- jl@noether.uoregon.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Oct 23 08:52:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12320 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:52:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA12262 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:52:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA29776; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:51:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA13441; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:51:30 -0600 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:51:30 -0600 Message-Id: <199810231551.JAA13441@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Joshua Lackey Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: jdk1.1.7? In-Reply-To: References: <199810230419.VAA01295@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Anyone know if they allow us to grab 1.2 (alpha)? Nope, early access to JDK1.2 was squashed about 8 months ago during Sun's re-orginazation. > ps: *groan* I'm looking at the 279k src.diffs file for jdk1.1.6 under > FreeBSD... If you have any luck with the port, please send an update... Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Oct 23 09:46:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18581 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:46:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA18575 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:46:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Christopher.Andrichak@Eng.Sun.COM) Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (engmail1 [129.146.1.13]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id JAA06283 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:45:54 -0700 Received: from basilisk.Eng.Sun.COM (basilisk.Eng.Sun.COM [129.144.152.185]) by Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) with SMTP id JAA18752 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:45:51 -0700 Received: from basilisk by basilisk.Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA22083; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:45:51 -0700 From: Christopher.Andrichak@Eng.Sun.COM (Chris Andrichak) Message-Id: <199810231645.JAA22083@basilisk.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:46:00 -0700 To: Reply-To: Subject: Re: jdk1.1.7? X-Mailer: PonyEspresso 3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Joshua Lackey" wrote: ]ps: *groan* I'm looking at the 279k src.diffs file for jdk1.1.6 under ]FreeBSD... ] ]On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: ]> I faxed my jdk1.1.7 application this Monday and today I received ]> access to the jdk1.1.7 sources 8) FYI, there's a 1.1.7A in FC stage right now. Not sure what the diffs are, but the JDC says that part of the testing is to see whether this addition of a letter to the version number hoses everyone... -----------@@---------------------------------- chris chrisx@eng.sun.com ------------------##--------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Oct 23 16:25:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22193 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 16:25:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from poboxer.pobox.com (port24.prairietech.net [208.141.230.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22188 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 16:25:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alk@poboxer.pobox.com) Received: (from alk@localhost) by poboxer.pobox.com (8.9.1/8.7.3) id SAA19608; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:23:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:23:58 -0500 (CDT) X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Reply-To: alk@pobox.com To: chrisx@Eng.Sun.COM Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: jdk1.1.7? References: <199810231645.JAA22083@basilisk.Eng.Sun.COM> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13873.4028.119326.801174@avalon.east> Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoth Chris Andrichak on Fri, 23 October: : FYI, there's a 1.1.7A in FC stage right now. Not sure what the diffs are, : but the JDC says that part of the testing is to see whether this addition : of a letter to the version number hoses everyone... 1.1.7 was to be the big euro support release. There was a bug in euro support which didn't get caught because of a process failure. Hence the respin. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Oct 24 03:57:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA03017 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 03:57:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freud.psych.uw.edu.pl (freud-tp.psych.uw.edu.pl [195.117.131.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA03010 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 03:57:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@psych.uw.edu.pl) Received: (from bill@localhost) by freud.psych.uw.edu.pl (8.9.0/8.9.0) id MAA06382 for freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 12:56:40 +0200 (CEST) From: "G.W." Message-Id: <199810241056.MAA06382@freud.psych.uw.edu.pl> Subject: Benchmarks To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 12:56:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.volano.com/spec/index.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Oct 24 20:13:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00492 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 20:13:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.44.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA00483 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 20:13:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glewis@maths.adelaide.edu.au) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.4/8.8.4/UofA-1.5) id NAA04395 for freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 13:43:19 +1030 (CST) From: Gregory D Lewis Message-Id: <199810250313.NAA04395@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: JDK 1.2 and JCK 1.2 licensed to Linux porting team To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 13:43:18 +1030 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Saw the following article via a pointer on slashdot. The article itself is at http://www.lwn.net/daily/java.html and reads: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:54:28 -0700 To: lwn@lwn.net From: Steve Byrne Subject: Sun licenses JDK 1.2 source code to Linux porting team Sun has licensed the Linux Java porting team to have access to the 1.2 source base, and the 1.2 Java Compatibility Kit test suite. This puts the Linux porting team on an equal footing with all of the other commerical source licensees of the JDK, in terms of being able to validate and certify that the Linux port is 100% Java Compatible (which apparently the Microsoft JDK still isn't). The porting effort itself is quite far along, with most features already working. A couple of areas (audio, and the color matching system) are still in need of being ported, but the rest of the system is working. Personally, I'm really excited about this change in Sun's attitude towards the Linux community. They've been working behind the scenes trying to make the source code and JCK available for many months now, and now they are. They've also loaned some hardware to the porting team to help ensure that Linux JDK runs (and runs well) on as many Linux platforms as possible. I think that JDK 1.2 will have significant impact on the popularity of Java, and I'm very happy that I can be a part of making it a reality on the Linux platform in a timely manner. [Please direct any correspondence to my home address: sbb@gnu.org] Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It'd be nice if a similar thing could happen in terms of FreeBSD too! -- Greg Lewis Applied Maths Department Email : glewis@maths.adelaide.edu.au University of Adelaide -- Very few profundities can be expressed in less than 80 characters. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Oct 24 20:38:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01730 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 20:38:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from WEBBSD1.turnaround.com.au (webbsd1.turnaround.com.au [203.39.138.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01725 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 20:38:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from J_Shevland@TurnAround.com.au) Received: from TurnAround.com.au (dhcp72.turnaround.com.au [192.168.1.72]) by WEBBSD1.turnaround.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA16611; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:41:23 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from J_Shevland@TurnAround.com.au) Message-ID: <36329CFA.FCAA8DBD@TurnAround.com.au> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:37:30 +1100 From: Joe Shevland Organization: TurnAround Solutions Pty. Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gregory D Lewis CC: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JDK 1.2 and JCK 1.2 licensed to Linux porting team References: <199810250313.NAA04395@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gregory D Lewis wrote: > > Saw the following article via a pointer on slashdot. The article itself is at > > http://www.lwn.net/daily/java.html > > and reads: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:54:28 -0700 > To: lwn@lwn.net > From: Steve Byrne > Subject: Sun licenses JDK 1.2 source code to Linux porting team > > Sun has licensed the Linux Java porting team to have access to the > 1.2 source base, and the 1.2 Java Compatibility Kit test suite. > This puts the Linux porting team on an equal footing with all of > the other commerical source licensees of the JDK, in terms of > being able to validate and certify that the Linux port is > 100% Java Compatible (which apparently the Microsoft JDK > still isn't). > > The porting effort itself is quite far along, with most features > already working. A couple of areas (audio, and the color matching > system) are still in need of being ported, but the rest of the > system is working. > > Personally, I'm really excited about this change in Sun's attitude > towards the Linux community. They've been working behind the scenes > trying to make the source code and JCK available for many months now, and > now they are. They've also loaned some hardware to the porting team to > help ensure that Linux JDK runs (and runs well) on as many Linux platforms > as possible. > > I think that JDK 1.2 will have significant impact on the > popularity of Java, and I'm very happy that I can be a part of > making it a reality on the Linux platform in a timely manner. > > [Please direct any correspondence to my home address: sbb@gnu.org] > > Steve > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > It'd be nice if a similar thing could happen in terms of FreeBSD too! > > -- I couldn't agree more. I think 1.2 is set to be the big turning point for acceptance of Java. -- ======================================================= Joe Shevland TurnAround Solutions Pty. Ltd. Senior Consultant J_Shevland@TurnAround.com.au Voice (03) 6224 9146 ShevlandJ@Netscape.net -- FreeBSD - The Power to Serve ======================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message