From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Aug 23 01:40:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA13968 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:40:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.eecis.udel.edu (louie.udel.edu [128.175.7.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA13951; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:40:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alexandr@mail.eecis.udel.edu) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:40:15 -0700 (PDT) From: alexandr@mail.eecis.udel.edu Message-Id: <199808230840.BAA13951@hub.freebsd.org> Received: from ren.eecis.udel.edu by mail.eecis.udel.edu id aa12479; 23 Aug 1998 04:36 EDT To: Brett Glass Cc: Craig Johnston , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: IBM Thinkpad 560E TFT -> $1200 Organization: Mos Eisley Candy Store Reply-To: alexandr@mail.eecis.udel.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In Reply to Your Message of Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22: 26:16 MDT Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 04:36:04 -0400 From: Jerry Alexandratos Message-ID: <199808230436.aa12479@mail.eecis.udel.edu> Brett Glass says: : Oh, one other thing about the ThinkPad worth noting: the internal modem and : sound are done by an MWave chip. There are NO FreeBSD drivers for this, so : neither the synth nor the modem will work. You'll need to get PCMCIA cards : for these functions. Actually, I don't think that this is a problem with the 560s. They don't have a built-in modem and if I recall correctly, the sound-chip is a Crystal Audio jobbie (which if I remember is SB compatible). The only StinkPads you have to worry about are the 75x/76x/770 models which have the integrated MWave devices. --Jerry 8) Jerry Alexandratos % - % "Nothing inhabits my (8 8) alexandr@louie.udel.edu % - % thoughts, and oblivion (8 8) darkstar@strauss.udel.edu % - % drives my desires." (8 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Aug 23 09:40:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02006 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 09:40:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jane.lfn.org (nocitycouncil.com [209.16.92.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA01996 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 09:40:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from caj@lfn.org) Received: (qmail 27156 invoked by uid 100); 23 Aug 1998 16:40:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 11:40:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Craig Johnston To: Brett Glass cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 560E TFT -> $1200 In-Reply-To: <199808230426.WAA28288@lariat.lariat.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 22 Aug 1998, Brett Glass wrote: > Oh, one other thing about the ThinkPad worth noting: the internal modem and > sound are done by an MWave chip. There are NO FreeBSD drivers for this, so > neither the synth nor the modem will work. You'll need to get PCMCIA cards > for these functions. The 560E doesn't have a modem, and the sound is an ESS chip, works just fine with freebsd. -Craig To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Aug 23 14:33:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24362 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:33:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24338; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:32:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04505; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:32:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA19348; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:32:05 -0600 Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:32:05 -0600 Message-Id: <199808232132.PAA19348@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Craig Johnston Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 560E TFT -> $1200 In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I figured some of you might be interested in this. The specs are > i166MMX / 16MB(80 max) / 2.1GB / 12.1 TFT @ 800x600x16 / 4 lbs, 1.2" thick, > basically full-sized keyboard, trackpoint (the red 'pencil eraser') pointing > device, SBPro compat sound, external floppy drive, IrDA port. Wow, that's cheap. > This isn't FreeBSD-specific but I wanted FreeBSD folks to get 'em. > It's really an incredible deal. (IBM just discontinued it recently.) > You probably couldn't buy just the screen much cheaper. It works > great for FreeBSD. They are indeed one of the nicest laptops around, and although they aren't state of the art anymore, I have yet to find a replacement box that is as nicely packages as the 560. (Although, the new 600 model might be nice... :) Recommended highly! (Owner of the older 133Mhz model) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Aug 23 14:35:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24834 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:35:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24816; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:35:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04520; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA19356; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:34:55 -0600 Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:34:55 -0600 Message-Id: <199808232134.PAA19356@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Brett Glass Cc: Craig Johnston , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 560E TFT -> $1200 In-Reply-To: <199808230426.WAA28288@lariat.lariat.org> References: <199808230426.WAA28288@lariat.lariat.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass writes: > Oh, one other thing about the ThinkPad worth noting: the internal modem and > sound are done by an MWave chip. There are NO FreeBSD drivers for this, so > neither the synth nor the modem will work. You'll need to get PCMCIA cards > for these functions. Note, we benchmarked the internal MWAVE modem vs. a 28.8K PCMCIA Sportster, and even thought the modem claimed to do 33.6 the Sportster *ate* it for lunch. It acted like a 9600 baud modem, although at times we could get burst of high speed. In short, I was not impressed with it, so all of our ThinkPad users now have external modems (or ethernet/modem combos). Nate ps. None of the above tests were done under FreeBSD, obviously. pps. We were running the most recent patches from IBM as well. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Aug 23 14:39:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25522 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:39:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25500; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:39:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04569; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:38:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA19385; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:38:16 -0600 Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:38:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199808232138.PAA19385@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: alexandr@mail.eecis.udel.edu Cc: Brett Glass , Craig Johnston , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: IBM Thinkpad 560E TFT -> $1200 In-Reply-To: <199808230840.BAA13951@hub.freebsd.org> References: <199808230840.BAA13951@hub.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > : Oh, one other thing about the ThinkPad worth noting: the internal modem and > : sound are done by an MWave chip. There are NO FreeBSD drivers for this, so > : neither the synth nor the modem will work. You'll need to get PCMCIA cards > : for these functions. > > Actually, I don't think that this is a problem with the 560s. They > don't have a built-in modem and if I recall correctly, the sound-chip is > a Crystal Audio jobbie (which if I remember is SB compatible). > > The only StinkPads you have to worry about are the 75x/76x/770 models > which have the integrated MWave devices. Ahh, you are right. It was a 755CX that has the built in modem that sucked. :) (Yes, we like ThinkPads at SRI. :) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Aug 23 15:09:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28416 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:09:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA28344; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:09:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id QAA04129; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:08:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199808232208.QAA04129@lariat.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.49 (Beta) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:07:08 -0600 To: Nate Williams From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 560E TFT -> $1200 Cc: Craig Johnston , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199808232134.PAA19356@mt.sri.com> References: <199808230426.WAA28288@lariat.lariat.org> <199808230426.WAA28288@lariat.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org IBM's MWave drivers aren't particularly good. I see the MWave as a failed experiment, alas. Modems and sound cards with built-in DSPs work best when they're sold to multiple vendors, contain internal ROM or flash, and have a standard interface that's documented and operating system-independent. The MWave as a modem is basically a "Winmodem." --Brett At 03:34 PM 8/23/98 -0600, Nate Williams wrote: >Brett Glass writes: >> Oh, one other thing about the ThinkPad worth noting: the internal modem and >> sound are done by an MWave chip. There are NO FreeBSD drivers for this, so >> neither the synth nor the modem will work. You'll need to get PCMCIA cards >> for these functions. > >Note, we benchmarked the internal MWAVE modem vs. a 28.8K PCMCIA >Sportster, and even thought the modem claimed to do 33.6 the Sportster >*ate* it for lunch. It acted like a 9600 baud modem, although at times >we could get burst of high speed. > >In short, I was not impressed with it, so all of our ThinkPad users now >have external modems (or ethernet/modem combos). > > >Nate > >ps. None of the above tests were done under FreeBSD, obviously. > >pps. We were running the most recent patches from IBM as well. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Aug 23 15:40:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01727 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:40:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from osprey.grizzly.com (osprey.grizzly.com [209.133.20.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01722; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:40:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from markd@Grizzly.COM) Received: (from markd@localhost) by osprey.grizzly.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id PAA00474; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808232238.PAA00474@osprey.grizzly.com> From: Mark Diekhans To: nate@mt.sri.com CC: caj@lfn.org, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199808232132.PAA19348@mt.sri.com> (message from Nate Williams on Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:32:05 -0600) Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 560E TFT -> $1200 References: <199808232132.PAA19348@mt.sri.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >(Although, the new 600 model >might be nice... :) Although it over a pound heavier than the beloved 560 :-( To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Aug 23 23:54:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA04052 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:54:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (obelix.trw.nl [195.193.64.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04010; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:54:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA04055; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 06:34:53 +0200 (CEST) To: Nate Williams cc: Craig Johnston , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 560E TFT -> $1200 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:32:05 MDT." <199808232132.PAA19348@mt.sri.com> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 06:34:53 +0200 Message-ID: <4051.903933293@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <199808232132.PAA19348@mt.sri.com>, Nate Williams writes: >> I figured some of you might be interested in this. The specs are >> i166MMX / 16MB(80 max) / 2.1GB / 12.1 TFT @ 800x600x16 / 4 lbs, 1.2" thick, >> basically full-sized keyboard, trackpoint (the red 'pencil eraser') pointing >> device, SBPro compat sound, external floppy drive, IrDA port. > >Wow, that's cheap. > >> This isn't FreeBSD-specific but I wanted FreeBSD folks to get 'em. >> It's really an incredible deal. (IBM just discontinued it recently.) >> You probably couldn't buy just the screen much cheaper. It works >> great for FreeBSD. > >They are indeed one of the nicest laptops around, and although they >aren't state of the art anymore, I have yet to find a replacement box >that is as nicely packages as the 560. (Although, the new 600 model >might be nice... :) > >Recommended highly! (Owner of the older 133Mhz model) Got one as well, beware that getting XFree86 to work may not be possible, I think that problem pertains the the 560E model and last I heard it was still outstanding... -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Aug 24 10:01:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA28090 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:01:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA28084; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:01:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id KAA10809; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:56:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199808241656.KAA10809@lariat.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.49 (Beta) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:55:56 -0600 To: Poul-Henning Kamp , Nate Williams From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 560E TFT -> $1200 Cc: Craig Johnston , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4051.903933293@critter.freebsd.dk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I understand that Xi Graphics' X server for the Cyber does a MUCH better job on ThinkPads than the one included with XFree86. It's said to be faster and work on more machines. They have a downloadable trial version you might want to try. --Brett At 06:34 AM 8/24/98 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >Got one as well, beware that getting XFree86 to work may not be possible, >I think that problem pertains the the 560E model and last I heard it was >still outstanding... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Aug 24 12:18:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21312 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:18:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jane.lfn.org (nocitycouncil.com [209.16.92.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA21287 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:18:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from caj@lfn.org) Received: (qmail 5896 invoked by uid 100); 24 Aug 1998 19:17:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:17:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Craig Johnston To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: Nate Williams , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 560E TFT -> $1200 In-Reply-To: <4051.903933293@critter.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Got one as well, beware that getting XFree86 to work may not be possible, > I think that problem pertains the the 560E model and last I heard it was > still outstanding... My 560E runs XFree86 just fine -- 800x600 @ 16 bits. Craig To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Aug 24 12:28:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23378 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:28:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23372; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:28:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id NAA12276; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:23:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199808241923.NAA12276@lariat.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.49 (Beta) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:23:16 -0600 To: Craig Johnston , Poul-Henning Kamp From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 560E TFT -> $1200 Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <4051.903933293@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:17 PM 8/24/98 -0500, Craig Johnston wrote: >My 560E runs XFree86 just fine -- 800x600 @ 16 bits. > >Craig If you hold your head JUST RIGHT, and TURN OFF SCREEN EXPANSION, it may work. I've had mixed results; it may matter which BIOS you have. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Aug 24 12:29:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23730 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:29:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jane.lfn.org (jane.lfn.org [209.16.92.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA23706 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:29:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from caj@lfn.org) Received: (qmail 6039 invoked by uid 100); 24 Aug 1998 19:28:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:28:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Craig Johnston To: Brett Glass cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , Nate Williams , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 560E TFT -> $1200 In-Reply-To: <199808241656.KAA10809@lariat.lariat.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 24 Aug 1998, Brett Glass wrote: > I understand that Xi Graphics' X server for the Cyber does a MUCH better > job on ThinkPads than the one included with XFree86. It's said to > be faster and work on more machines. They have a downloadable trial > version you might want to try. > > --Brett > XFree86 does an o.k. job -- the secret, I found, to making 3.3.2 work is specifying 'chipset "cyber9382"' -- 3.3.1 seemed to autodetect this. I was told that 'Option "cyber_shadow"' may be of help as well. My one problem with the XFree86 server is that I cannot seem to get a screen that does not flicker -- when I move my head vertically I can see horizontal lines scrolling vertically on the display. At lower refresh rates, I don't even have to move my head -- very visible lines scroll down the display. This concerns me because a TFT screen doesn't scan -- I ought to be able to set a 60hz refresh rate that is rock solid. Anyone have a clue as to what might be going on here? I'll check out the Xi server and see if it exhibits the problem. -Craig To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Aug 25 14:53:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14450 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:53:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from beowulf.llnl.gov (beowulf.llnl.gov [128.115.12.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14434; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:53:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dsyphers@beowulf.llnl.gov) Received: from beowulf.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beowulf.llnl.gov (8.8.5/LLNL-3.0.2) with ESMTP id OAA13477; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808252152.OAA13477@beowulf.llnl.gov> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:52:26 -0700 (PDT) From: David Syphers Subject: XFree86 To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, mobile@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Okay, the frustration level's running a little high, which is why I'm sending this message instead of reading _more_ docs (and I'm sure the my guruish friend is getting tired of me running to him all the time). I'm attempting to install XFree86 on my Chembook 6300 laptop and I'm not having much sucess. I copied the necessary files to a directory in the /usr partition and unpacked them ("extract" didn't work, but whatever. i just used gunzip and tar). I ran xf86config and the basic vanilla video setup (640x480 16 color using X332VG16) because my NeoMagic 128 isn't directly supported. This didn't work. I then tried using XF86Setup through /stand/sysinstall, and while this seemed more promising (hey, it could display the very X-like thing it uses for setup), it got me no further. Every time I try to run X using "startx," I get the same error - "{blah blah blah} (--) VGA16: There is no mode definition named "640x480" Fatal server error: No valid modes found..." Since XF86Setup said that it started the server correctly (and the end of the configuration), I'm wondering if there something besides the configuration that I'm doing wrong... *briefly stands on soapbox* I am new to FreeBSD. By this I do _not_ mean "I've only been a Sun sysadmin for 10 years" new to FreeBSD. I mean that I've come directly from the world of Microsoft. I've been playing around with FreeBSD off and on for over a year now, and obviously haven't accomplished much. I really like FreeBSD and the atmosphere of it's users, but I'd just like to cast one more vote for the idea that FreeBSD doesn't have adaquate support for those of us with absolutely no experience with this stuff - no experience with Sun, with SYSV, with Linux, or with DOS. David Syphers dsyphers@igpp.llnl.gov "We are the Knights who say 'Nee!'" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Aug 25 16:43:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA03117 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:43:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (ppp-d3.dialup.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03083 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:43:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00640; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:38:12 GMT (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199808251638.QAA00640@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: David Syphers cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XFree86 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:52:26 MST." <199808252152.OAA13477@beowulf.llnl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:38:11 +0000 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please, one list only. > Okay, the frustration level's running a little high, which is why I'm > sending this message instead of reading _more_ docs (and I'm sure the > my guruish friend is getting tired of me running to him all the time). > I'm attempting to install XFree86 on my Chembook 6300 laptop and I'm not > having much sucess. I copied the necessary files to a directory in the > /usr partition and unpacked them ("extract" didn't work, but whatever. > i just used gunzip and tar). Which directory? Why not use /stand/sysinstall to install X? > I ran xf86config and the basic vanilla > video setup (640x480 16 color using X332VG16) because my NeoMagic 128 > isn't directly supported. This didn't work. I then tried using > XF86Setup through /stand/sysinstall, and while this seemed more > promising (hey, it could display the very X-like thing it uses for > setup), it got me no further. Every time I try to run X using > "startx," I get the same error - The very X-like thing is the VGA16 server (ie. it _is_ X). > "{blah blah blah} > (--) VGA16: There is no mode definition named "640x480" > > Fatal server error: > No valid modes found..." Did you save the configuration file when you finished XF86Setup? Unless you do this explicitly, you won't have a configuration. > *briefly stands on soapbox* > I am new to FreeBSD. By this I do _not_ mean "I've only been a Sun > sysadmin for 10 years" new to FreeBSD. I mean that I've come directly > from the world of Microsoft. I've been playing around with FreeBSD off > and on for over a year now, and obviously haven't accomplished much. I > really like FreeBSD and the atmosphere of it's users, but I'd just like > to cast one more vote for the idea that FreeBSD doesn't have adaquate > support for those of us with absolutely no experience with this stuff - > no experience with Sun, with SYSV, with Linux, or with DOS. That's fair enough; however we don't have a multi-billion dollar organisation which can control the hardware market and pay people to do the corner smoothing. One more point; XFree86 is a third-party product supplied by the XFree86 Project. If you are having problems with it, you should be talking to them. If we were Microsoft, we would be charging you $55 for this advice. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Aug 26 00:39:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA21236 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:39:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA21230 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:39:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from diabolique ([195.121.58.127]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with SMTP id AAA2052; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:38:57 +0200 X-Sender: skywise@pop.wxs.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Demo Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:38:41 +0200 To: Mike Smith From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Subject: Re: XFree86 Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, David Syphers In-Reply-To: <199808251638.QAA00640@dingo.cdrom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <7718522FF10.AAA2052@smtp03.wxs.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:38 PM 8/25/98 , Mike Smith wrote: -snip- >> I ran xf86config and the basic vanilla >> video setup (640x480 16 color using X332VG16) because my NeoMagic 128 >> isn't directly supported. This didn't work. I then tried using >> XF86Setup through /stand/sysinstall, and while this seemed more >> promising (hey, it could display the very X-like thing it uses for >> setup), it got me no further. Every time I try to run X using >> "startx," I get the same error - Hmmm, NeoMagic eh? Have ye tried searching AltaVista for +neomagic +freebsd ? That got me a few sites with suggestions and a neomagic driver to include within the X distribution... And I haven't bothered lately, but I got it up at 640 x 480 stable and am increasing to 800 x 600 and 1024 x 768 as soon as I find the differences between their X and mine in the config file. >> "{blah blah blah} >> (--) VGA16: There is no mode definition named "640x480" >> >> Fatal server error: >> No valid modes found..." > >Did you save the configuration file when you finished XF86Setup? >Unless you do this explicitly, you won't have a configuration. Not nessecarily, I tweaked the config files according to the sites which people suggested worked and got the same error... >> *briefly stands on soapbox* >> I am new to FreeBSD. By this I do _not_ mean "I've only been a Sun >> sysadmin for 10 years" new to FreeBSD. I mean that I've come directly >> from the world of Microsoft. I've been playing around with FreeBSD off >> and on for over a year now, and obviously haven't accomplished much. I >> really like FreeBSD and the atmosphere of it's users, but I'd just like >> to cast one more vote for the idea that FreeBSD doesn't have adaquate >> support for those of us with absolutely no experience with this stuff - >> no experience with Sun, with SYSV, with Linux, or with DOS. > >That's fair enough; however we don't have a multi-billion dollar >organisation which can control the hardware market and pay people to do >the corner smoothing. Please, I come from a one year experience using Solaris at university but Amiga and Windows mostly. Whenever I don't see something correctly I often join Undernet's #FreeBSD or type either lynx /usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html or lynx /usr/share/doc/FAQ/FAQ.html those two are little wonders... Remember that the FreeBSD effort is one of volunteers and thus we don't have the support power microsoft has (although I must say, the knowledge base is always checked first, would that slightly be akin to GNATS?). >One more point; XFree86 is a third-party product supplied by the >XFree86 Project. If you are having problems with it, you should be >talking to them. If we were Microsoft, we would be charging you $55 >for this advice. Heh, yer prolly right on the $$ thing... NeoMagic is an unsupported chipset in the current XFree86, but ye can however try the altavista search I suggested. Don't have the time to paste the URL's. Regards, -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / Asmodai ICQ-UIN: 1564317 .:. Ninth Circle Enterprises Network/Security Specialist As far as ye can't tell, I am the Future in Computer Hell... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Aug 26 02:12:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28617 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 02:12:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA28590; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 02:12:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00813; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:11:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199808260911.KAA00813@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: David Syphers cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XFree86 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:52:26 PDT." <199808252152.OAA13477@beowulf.llnl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:11:44 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Take a look at http://www.Awfulhak.org/software.html. It's got a neomagic driver and instructions for integrating it into the XFree86-3.3.2 port. > Okay, the frustration level's running a little high, which is why I'm > sending this message instead of reading _more_ docs (and I'm sure the > my guruish friend is getting tired of me running to him all the time). > I'm attempting to install XFree86 on my Chembook 6300 laptop and I'm not > having much sucess. I copied the necessary files to a directory in the > /usr partition and unpacked them ("extract" didn't work, but whatever. > i just used gunzip and tar). I ran xf86config and the basic vanilla > video setup (640x480 16 color using X332VG16) because my NeoMagic 128 > isn't directly supported. This didn't work. I then tried using > XF86Setup through /stand/sysinstall, and while this seemed more > promising (hey, it could display the very X-like thing it uses for > setup), it got me no further. Every time I try to run X using > "startx," I get the same error - > > "{blah blah blah} > (--) VGA16: There is no mode definition named "640x480" > > Fatal server error: > No valid modes found..." > > > Since XF86Setup said that it started the server correctly (and the end > of the configuration), I'm wondering if there something besides the > configuration that I'm doing wrong... > > *briefly stands on soapbox* > I am new to FreeBSD. By this I do _not_ mean "I've only been a Sun > sysadmin for 10 years" new to FreeBSD. I mean that I've come directly > from the world of Microsoft. I've been playing around with FreeBSD off > and on for over a year now, and obviously haven't accomplished much. I > really like FreeBSD and the atmosphere of it's users, but I'd just like > to cast one more vote for the idea that FreeBSD doesn't have adaquate > support for those of us with absolutely no experience with this stuff - > no experience with Sun, with SYSV, with Linux, or with DOS. > > > David Syphers > dsyphers@igpp.llnl.gov > "We are the Knights who say 'Nee!'" -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Aug 26 02:17:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA29498 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 02:17:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay3.force9.net (relay3.force9.net [195.166.128.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA29482 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 02:17:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Ian@tirnanog.org) Received: (qmail 1073 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1998 09:18:38 -0000 Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by relay3.force9.net with SMTP; 26 Aug 1998 09:18:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 19544 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1998 09:12:14 -0000 Received: from 01-54.dialup.force9.net (195.166.130.182) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 26 Aug 1998 09:12:14 -0000 From: Ian@tirnanog.org (Ian J Greely) To: David Syphers Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XFree86 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:22:25 GMT Organization: the asylum Reply-To: Ian@tirnanog.org Message-ID: <35e48733.1195648@relay.force9.net> References: <199808252152.OAA13477@beowulf.llnl.gov> In-Reply-To: <199808252152.OAA13477@beowulf.llnl.gov> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I understand your frustration at this only too well. However with the particular problem you have the mobile group has been discussing on and off for a few weeks now. I'd suggest that you have a read of the archives of this mailing list (available on the www site) and see what some of the Gurus have done :) As I recall I also believe that Brian has something to do with this neomagic chipset on the freebsd page of his site. The problem as I understand it is that the Neomagic people do not intend to disclose the "mysteries" of their chipset to anyone whom is producing "Free" software. It's pretty particular to the nature of your machine as (B)leading edge. As time goes by the kinks will be worked out and your problems will be sorted for people in the future. :) I agree with you *wholeheartedly* about moving over from the mainstream into the mysteries of 'nix not being well catered for. :) To this end might I suggest that *when* you have resolved your difficulties that you put together a *simple* post stating the steps you used to get *your* machine working with XFree. In this way you will save the next poor bugger whom hits your problems from having to do all the donkey work himself. If we encourage people to document what they did when they are new to this then those documents will be more applicable to people in an 'Nix entry level. :) That said as the gurus are having problems you may not get this running "properly" for a while. However you should, at least, be able to run in VGA. You might also have a look at the Linux Laptops pages. As both FreeBSD and Linux use XFree there is little practical difference between the configurations for both of the systems. That is how I finally managed to get my Laptop using XFree in 800X600. regards, Ian ps Ickey Ickey Ickey Phootang! And where is that shrubery? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Aug 26 14:27:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23251 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:27:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.andrew.cmu.edu (MAIL1.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23199 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:26:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwhite@cmu.edu) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu (PO2.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.102]) by mail1.andrew.cmu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id RAA18027 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.2) id QAA00997 for post+internet.computing.freebsd.mobile@MAIL1.ANDREW.CMU.EDU; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail for post+internet.computing.freebsd.mobile@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.cyrusoft.com (darius.cyrusoft.com [206.31.218.194]) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id QAA00989 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mach105.xnet.com (mach105.xnet.com [207.227.19.105]) by darius.cyrusoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10038 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:04:41 -0400 From: Matt White To: post+internet.computing.freebsd.mobile@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: TI PCI-1131 CardBus Controller support? Message-ID: <2204349360.904147481@mach105.xnet.com> Originator-Info: login-id=; server=cyrus.andrew.cmu.edu X-Mailer: Mulberry (Win32) [1.4.0b2, s/n S-100002] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What is the status of support (either in PAO or FreeBSD native) of the TI PCI-1131 CardBus Controller? Is support for this chipset planned? As a side question, why is PAO separate from FreeBSD? -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Aug 26 23:56:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21207 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:56:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles320.castles.com [208.214.167.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21198 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:56:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01782; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:53:40 GMT (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199808262353.XAA01782@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Matt White cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TI PCI-1131 CardBus Controller support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:04:41 -0400." <2204349360.904147481@mach105.xnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:53:39 +0000 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > What is the status of support (either in PAO or FreeBSD native) of the TI > PCI-1131 CardBus Controller? Is support for this chipset planned? I believe it's supported in PCCARD emulation mode. There are plans to add CardBus support to FreeBSD, however the project has been quiet of late due partly to my being busy (and not coordinating anything) as well as the developers being busy. > As a side question, why is PAO separate from FreeBSD? The PAO group are independant developers by their own choice. This independance gives them freedom to experiment and test in directions that FreeBSD might not readily accept. At least one of the PAO group have commit access (hey, Tatsumi!), however it's not clear whether they feel blocked by us or other things. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Aug 28 11:38:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28746 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:38:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu [146.245.1.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28731 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:38:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dayton@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu) Received: from sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (dayton@louis.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu [146.245.1.7]) by eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA09380; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E6F8D6.5CE5CBF3@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:37:10 -0400 From: Dayton Clark Organization: Brooklyn College/CUNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG CC: dayton@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: Dell Inspiron w/TI 1131 PCCARD controller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, I just obtained an Dell Inspiron 3200 w/PII 266 which uses the TI 1131 PCCARD controller. I can't get the system to recognize the controller. I've tried 2.2.6-PAO (found an apparent bug in the attach routine and worked around it [the problem is already documented in the code]). I found a very informative message from Matthias.Apitz@SOFTCON.de (Matthias Apitz), thank you, which suggested the PCCARD kernel in the standard release. I've tried that for both 2.2.6 and 2.2.7 with the same results. During the boot pcic0 and pcic1 are found without complaint (one supicious item is on the discovery message "int a irq ??", is the unknown irq significant?). But pccardd and pccardc insist there are no slots, sometimes complaining that /dev/card0 is not configured. Any suggestions? thanks dayton -- Dayton Clark CIS Department dayton@brooklyn.cuny.edu Brooklyn College/CUNY 718.951.4811 Brooklyn, New York 11210 718.951.4842 (fax) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Aug 28 14:54:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28539 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:54:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from icicle.winternet.com (icicle.winternet.com [198.174.169.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28527 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:54:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nrahlstr@mail.winternet.com) Received: (from adm@localhost) by icicle.winternet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16218 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:52:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tundra.winternet.com(198.174.169.11) by icicle.winternet.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016198; Fri, 28 Aug 98 16:52:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (nrahlstr@localhost) by tundra.winternet.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA16269 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:52:45 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: tundra.winternet.com: nrahlstr owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:52:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Nathan Ahlstrom To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Libretto 50ct? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org PC Nation has this system for $750. Can anyone give a thumbs up or thumbs down on this one? http://www.pcnation.com/ scripts/ispage25.dll?Catalog=pcnation&File=retail_source.htm Thanks. Nathan Nathan Ahlstrom nrahlstr@winternet.com Run FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Aug 28 15:15:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00903 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:15:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00896 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:15:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01464; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:13:14 GMT (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199808281513.PAA01464@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Nathan Ahlstrom cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Libretto 50ct? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:52:45 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:13:13 +0000 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > PC Nation has this system for $750. Can anyone give a thumbs up or thumbs > down on this one? > > http://www.pcnation.com/ > scripts/ispage25.dll?Catalog=pcnation&File=retail_source.htm Definitely up, especially when you overclock it. The price seems about right; you'll want another 16M though (about $80). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Aug 28 16:03:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06782 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:03:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06777 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:03:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA21811; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:02:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA06608; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:02:24 -0600 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:02:24 -0600 Message-Id: <199808282302.RAA06608@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Nathan Ahlstrom Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Libretto 50ct? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > PC Nation has this system for $750. Can anyone give a thumbs up or thumbs > down on this one? Thumbs down. I've used a 50, 70, and 100 and although they have great 'sex appeal', when it comes to usefulness they are pretty useless. The keyboard is unusable for any length of time, and the mouse is a bit hard to get used to for all but demonstrations. Other downsides particular to the 50. 1) The docking station is almost useless. 2) You can't plugin an external keyboard. 3) If you have the box plugged in, it will not recharge the battery. 4) It's *really* slow. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Aug 28 16:31:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09579 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:31:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lambic.physics.montana.edu (lambic.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09574 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:31:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from handy@lambic.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (handy@localhost) by lambic.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA08076 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:30:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from handy@lambic.physics.montana.edu) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:30:16 -0600 (MDT) From: Brian Handy To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: TP560E Max Memory Message-ID: X-files: The truth is out there MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What's the maximum amount of RAM you can stuff into a TP560E? Thanks, Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Aug 28 17:03:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA13489 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:03:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from redfish.go2net.com (redfish.go2net.com [207.178.55.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA13468 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:03:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcs@go2net.com) Received: from marcs by redfish.go2net.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zCYSY-0002nL-00; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:01:38 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:01:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Slemko X-Sender: marcs@redfish To: Brian Handy cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TP560E Max Memory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 80 megs. 16 on board + 64 meg chip. Originally I think the E used to only support 48 or something, but with a reasonably modern BIOS it will do 80. On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Brian Handy wrote: > What's the maximum amount of RAM you can stuff into a TP560E? > > > Thanks, > > Brian > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Aug 28 17:34:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15811 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:34:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from glynnis.copacetic.net (glynnis.copacetic.net [206.25.93.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15806 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:34:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@copacetic.net) Received: from localhost (steve@localhost) by glynnis.copacetic.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA17770 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 20:31:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from steve@copacetic.net) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 20:31:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steve Bernacki Jr." X-Sender: steve@glynnis To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Problem with Digital 21143 fast ethernet Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I'm attempting to get a co-worker set up with FreeBSD and a Hitachi laptop. First, the hardware: it's a Hitachi VisionBook PRO 7000 Series (model 7590). You might remember my name from a month or so ago when I wrestled with my own VisionBook Pro. Well, I finally got that running thanks to help from the mailing list. Because I've been so happy with the laptop, I recommended it to my company to purchase for our new employee. However, it seems Hitachi has made some changes in it's latest model: it now has a DEC 21143 Fast Ethernet card in it. When I first booted the machine with a generic kernel, I recieved the following output from dmesg: de0 rev 65 int a irq 11 on pci0:11:0 de0: can't read ENET ROM (why=-4) (541003010000000000000000000000021d4804010080c 84841d8001e00000008 de0: 21143 [10-100Mb/s] pass 4.1 de0: address unknown I looked in isa/if_de.c and found that why=-4 means it couldn't find the ethernet address, which it certainly couldn't. :) However, the ethernet address is in that little blurb it spit out: at offset 41 one can see 00 80 c8 48 41 d8. In an act to see if it was just this that was preventing it from working I modified if_de.c to return the ethernet address hardcoded. Apon rebuilding the kernel and rebooting it reported the correct ethernet address (of course it did, I hard-coded it) but still wouldn't work. I could see packets going out over the switch it's connected to, but nothing was coming back. I made sure the card and the switch were talking the same speed/duplex... no joy. I know the hardware/cabling/switch are good, as the card works wonderfully under Win98 (gag). Does anyone have any ideas/suggestions? My next step would probably be to modify whatever function that populates tulip_rombuf to read from where ever it's reading + 41, but I fear this wouldn't help matters. Please let me know if there's any other useful information I can provide; this is my first attempt at driver hacking. Thanks, Steve Bernacki, Jr. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Aug 28 18:34:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23305 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:34:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23283 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:33:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02402; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:30:52 GMT (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199808281830.SAA02402@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Steve Bernacki Jr." cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with Digital 21143 fast ethernet In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 28 Aug 1998 20:31:09 -0400." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:30:51 +0000 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Does anyone have any ideas/suggestions? My next step would probably be to > modify whatever function that populates tulip_rombuf to read from where > ever it's reading + 41, but I fear this wouldn't help matters. Please > let me know if there's any other useful information I can provide; this is > my first attempt at driver hacking. You'll want to talk to Matt Thomas (matt@3am-software.com) about this, as the 'de' driver is his baby. Note that he's just moved into a new job, so he may be a little slow in responding. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Aug 28 19:11:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA27766 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:11:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA27734 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:11:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id EAA08654 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 04:10:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (VMailer, from userid 101) id 5B7281501; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:37:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:37:54 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Libretto 50ct? Message-ID: <19980829003754.A27245@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Nathan Ahlstrom on Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 04:52:45PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4598 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Nathan Ahlstrom: > PC Nation has this system for $750. Can anyone give a thumbs up or thumbs > down on this one? It is a good one although this model has been discontinued I think by Toshiba. Jordan has one and seems very happy with it. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #62: Mon Jul 27 20:47:08 CEST 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Aug 28 21:20:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08414 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:20:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jane.lfn.org (www.lfn.org [209.16.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA08400 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:20:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from caj@lfn.org) Received: (qmail 646 invoked by uid 100); 29 Aug 1998 04:19:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:19:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Craig Johnston To: Brian Handy cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TP560E Max Memory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Brian Handy wrote: > What's the maximum amount of RAM you can stuff into a TP560E? > > 80 megs total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Aug 28 22:44:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14764 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:44:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA14754 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:44:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zCdmj-0004HG-00; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:42:49 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA11278; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:42:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199808290542.XAA11278@harmony.village.org> To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: Libretto 50ct? Cc: Nathan Ahlstrom , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:02:24 MDT." <199808282302.RAA06608@mt.sri.com> References: <199808282302.RAA06608@mt.sri.com> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:42:09 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <199808282302.RAA06608@mt.sri.com> Nate Williams writes: : > PC Nation has this system for $750. Can anyone give a thumbs up or thumbs : > down on this one? actually, for $750, you can get 70CT which is much better than the 50CT. It is faster, charges while on and has a better battery life. : Other downsides particular to the 50. : 1) The docking station is almost useless. : 2) You can't plugin an external keyboard. Yes. You can. I happily type on my Newton keyboard attached to the port replicator all the time on my libretto. : 3) If you have the box plugged in, it will not recharge the battery. The 70CT and 100CT don't have this problem. : 4) It's *really* slow. The newer ones are faster. The 50CT isn't too bad for light or medium duty, but for heavy duty stuff, I tend to go with the PPro 200 I have at home... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Aug 28 23:08:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17774 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:08:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17765 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:08:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA24275; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:07:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA07850; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:07:20 -0600 Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:07:20 -0600 Message-Id: <199808290607.AAA07850@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Warner Losh Cc: Nate Williams , Nathan Ahlstrom , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Libretto 50ct? In-Reply-To: <199808290542.XAA11278@harmony.village.org> References: <199808282302.RAA06608@mt.sri.com> <199808290542.XAA11278@harmony.village.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > : Other downsides particular to the 50. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > : 1) The docking station is almost useless. > : 2) You can't plugin an external keyboard. > > Yes. You can. I happily type on my Newton keyboard attached to the > port replicator all the time on my libretto. Is that on a 50, or on a 70? > : 3) If you have the box plugged in, it will not recharge the battery. > > The 70CT and 100CT don't have this problem. Right, that's why I mentioned the 50, which is what the original poster asked about. > : 4) It's *really* slow. > > The newer ones are faster. The 50CT isn't too bad for light or medium > duty, but for heavy duty stuff, I tend to go with the PPro 200 I have > at home... nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Aug 28 23:17:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18830 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:17:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18825 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:17:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA24359; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:16:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA07957; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:16:48 -0600 Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:16:48 -0600 Message-Id: <199808290616.AAA07957@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Brian Handy Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TP560E Max Memory In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > What's the maximum amount of RAM you can stuff into a TP560E? I'm guessing 48MB, but I don't know that for sure. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Aug 29 00:07:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA23523 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:07:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA23502 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:06:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zCeie-0004If-00; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:42:40 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id AAA11627; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:40:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199808290640.AAA11627@harmony.village.org> To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: Libretto 50ct? Cc: Nathan Ahlstrom , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:07:20 MDT." <199808290607.AAA07850@mt.sri.com> References: <199808290607.AAA07850@mt.sri.com> <199808282302.RAA06608@mt.sri.com> <199808290542.XAA11278@harmony.village.org> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:40:49 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <199808290607.AAA07850@mt.sri.com> Nate Williams writes: : > Yes. You can. I happily type on my Newton keyboard attached to the : > port replicator all the time on my libretto. : : Is that on a 50, or on a 70? It is my puny 50CT. The newton keyboard is a serial keyboard that can be plugged into the rs232 port of the port replicator. It isn't a standard PC keyboard, which uses different signalling. I had to hack together a driver for it, but it works for me under X. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Aug 29 00:57:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA28051 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:57:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA28037 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:56:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcs@znep.com) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with UUCP id BAA08735; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 01:55:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA05397; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:52:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Slemko To: Craig Johnston cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 560E TFT -> $1200 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 24 Aug 1998, Craig Johnston wrote: > On Mon, 24 Aug 1998, Brett Glass wrote: > > > I understand that Xi Graphics' X server for the Cyber does a MUCH better > > job on ThinkPads than the one included with XFree86. It's said to > > be faster and work on more machines. They have a downloadable trial > > version you might want to try. > > > > --Brett > > > > XFree86 does an o.k. job -- the secret, I found, to making 3.3.2 > work is specifying 'chipset "cyber9382"' -- 3.3.1 seemed to autodetect > this. I was told that 'Option "cyber_shadow"' may be of help as well. Yup, works pretty well for me too. This is on one of the recent Microwarehouse 560Es. > My one problem with the XFree86 server is that I cannot seem to > get a screen that does not flicker -- when I move my head vertically I > can see horizontal lines scrolling vertically on the display. At lower > refresh rates, I don't even have to move my head -- very visible lines > scroll down the display. I notice this only at 24-bit color with certain types of images; eg. the horrid default fvwm2 default faded-purple background. Don't notice it at 16 bits, nor do I notice it displaying most other things at 24-bit. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Aug 29 07:16:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29714 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 07:16:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA29684 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 07:15:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (IDENT:HaPaNXW2nok72o+Vtuz+KH9ZnaPa9509@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA05468; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:14:52 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199808291414.QAA05468@gratis.grondar.za> To: Nathan Ahlstrom cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Libretto 50ct? Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:14:51 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nathan Ahlstrom wrote: > > PC Nation has this system for $750. Can anyone give a thumbs up or thumbs > down on this one? > > http://www.pcnation.com/ > scripts/ispage25.dll?Catalog=pcnation&File=retail_source.htm Very good. I have a 70CT. There are some gotchas - give a yell when you get it and I can help you get the hibernate working properly (it is easy). M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Aug 29 07:18:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29868 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 07:18:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA29854 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 07:18:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (IDENT:CkbsCw3xCGOrAWaW1y3RTUPzGVkxLIri@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA05489; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:16:58 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199808291416.QAA05489@gratis.grondar.za> To: Nate Williams cc: Nathan Ahlstrom , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Libretto 50ct? Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:16:58 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nate Williams wrote: > Other downsides particular to the 50. > 1) The docking station is almost useless. You can get a bigger one. > 2) You can't plugin an external keyboard. You can on the bigger one (see 1) ). > 3) If you have the box plugged in, it will not recharge the battery. You can on later models. Toshiba fixed this. > 4) It's *really* slow. Overclock it or get a 70CT. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Aug 29 09:42:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11831 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:42:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11821 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:42:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA29029; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:41:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA09069; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:40:59 -0600 Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:40:59 -0600 Message-Id: <199808291640.KAA09069@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mark Murray Cc: Nate Williams , Nathan Ahlstrom , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Libretto 50ct? In-Reply-To: <199808291416.QAA05489@gratis.grondar.za> References: <199808291416.QAA05489@gratis.grondar.za> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Other downsides particular to the 50. > > 1) The docking station is almost useless. > > You can get a bigger one. Not on the 50. > > 2) You can't plugin an external keyboard. > > You can on the bigger one (see 1) ). Not on the 50. (But Warner mentioned that he's using a serial keyboard). > > 3) If you have the box plugged in, it will not recharge the battery. > > You can on later models. Toshiba fixed this. Right, see the first sentence. > > 4) It's *really* slow. > > Overclock it or get a 70CT. Right, but I was mentioning the features of the model 50, not the 70 or 100, which the original poster was asking about. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Aug 29 23:29:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA20022 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:29:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA20010 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:29:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zD0yB-0005T3-00; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 00:28:11 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id AAA19318; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 00:27:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199808300627.AAA19318@harmony.village.org> To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: Libretto 50ct? Cc: Mark Murray , Nathan Ahlstrom , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:40:59 MDT." <199808291640.KAA09069@mt.sri.com> References: <199808291640.KAA09069@mt.sri.com> <199808291416.QAA05489@gratis.grondar.za> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 00:27:19 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <199808291640.KAA09069@mt.sri.com> Nate Williams writes: : > > Other downsides particular to the 50. : > > 1) The docking station is almost useless. : > : > You can get a bigger one. : : Not on the 50. Yes, on the 50. I have one sitting right here that I can type on a standard PC keyboard, or I can use the small port replicator with my newton keyboard and X driver. : > > 2) You can't plugin an external keyboard. : > : > You can on the bigger one (see 1) ). : : Not on the 50. (But Warner mentioned that he's using a serial : keyboard). Yes, on the 50. I'm typing this message to you on my 50, connected to the larger port replicator, with the monitor and keyboard that I use on my PPro. It is only when I'm out and about that I use the small port replicator with the newton keyboard. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message