From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 28 02:16:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA21811 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:16:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA21806 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:16:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from serv.net (dialup439.serv.net [207.207.70.40]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA21310 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980628163353.43436@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: fewtch@serv.net From: Tim Gerchmez To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Asking Sue nicely, no personal Emails... (was Re: How import Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm sorry too, Sue (the Email below arrived in my personal box from you). Your Internet provider has been contacted regarding the fact that you continue to disregard my request, and I will also be contacting the administration at freebsd.org regarding this. If they do nothing, I will contact MY provider as well and request assistance in this matter. If nothing still comes of this, I'll find whatever other resources on the Net are necessary to stop this from continuing. There are groups on the Net that deal with spammers and those that harass others, and if I have to turn to one of them, I will do so. I'm very sorry you have decided to continue what could have ended peacefully and without problems on either side. On 28-Jun-98 Sue Blake wrote: > I'm sorry, I won't change my habits daily on the basis of the quirks of > whatever software you happen to be running. ---------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: Tim Gerchmez Date: 28-Jun-98 Time: 02:09:08 This message was sent by XFMail under Fvwm2 and FREEBSD. My personal website is at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html Take a look if you have the time - something for everyone there. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 28 06:44:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23194 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:44:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA23036 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:43:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25437; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 15:47:23 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19980627154723.55046@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 15:47:23 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: fewtch@serv.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD - I'm in love! References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Tim Gerchmez on Sat, Jun 27, 1998 at 06:53:01AM -0700 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jun 27, 1998 at 06:53:01AM -0700, Tim Gerchmez wrote: > some things I just can't do and software that's unavailable for > BSD as of yet (for example, listening to MP3 music files, x11amp. Probably at , but if not, the multimedia mailing list can probably point you at it. Alternatively, ports/audio/mpg123-0.59o ports/audio/xmpeg3 > and software like Adobe Photoshop, ports/graphics/gimp1. Oh yeah, prepare to be astounded by that one. > MS Word, ports/editors/staroffice (runs under Linix emulation, can be flaky. Then again, so is MS Word). Looks and runs like Word on steroids. Also includes a very nice Excel beater. Also available for Windows. Reads/writes Word format files. ports/editors/offix-editor. Don't know what it's like. ports/print/lyx. An almost WYSIWYG frontend for LaTeX. Extraordinarily powerful. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 28 08:30:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03953 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:30:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03947 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:30:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from serv.net (dialup511.serv.net [207.207.70.76]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA01537; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980627154723.55046@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: fewtch@serv.net From: Tim Gerchmez To: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: FreeBSD - I'm in love! Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 27-Jun-98 Nik Clayton wrote: > On Sat, Jun 27, 1998 at 06:53:01AM -0700, Tim Gerchmez wrote: >> some things I just can't do and software that's unavailable for >> BSD as of yet (for example, listening to MP3 music files, > > x11amp. Probably at , but if not, the > multimedia mailing list can probably point you at it. Won't do me a bit of good without a supported soundcard. >> and software like Adobe Photoshop, > > ports/graphics/gimp1. Oh yeah, prepare to be astounded by that one. I'll have to give that one a try. >> MS Word, > > ports/editors/staroffice (runs under Linix emulation, can be flaky. Then > again, so is MS Word). Looks and runs like Word on steroids. Also includes > a very nice Excel beater. Also available for Windows. Reads/writes Word > format files. I thought StarOffice was a beta version that was supposed to have expired already (according to the 2.2.6 tarball, it is anyway, but there's a different version at www.freebsd.org/ports, also available as a package). I might give it a try, when I get in the mood to download a 25 meg file :/... Thanks, Tim ---------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: Tim Gerchmez Date: 28-Jun-98 Time: 08:25:52 This message was sent by XFMail under Fvwm2 and FREEBSD. My personal website is at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html Take a look if you have the time - something for everyone there. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 28 09:22:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09061 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 09:22:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09052 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 09:22:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from serv.net (dialup542.serv.net [207.207.70.107]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03692 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 09:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 09:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: fewtch@serv.net From: Tim Gerchmez To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: It seems FreeBSD is crashable... ;-) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, well... I had an interesting experience this morning. I was playing around with mounting my DOS (Win95) partition... works like a charm, actually, I just created a 'dos_drive_c' directory off of /, and used the command: mount_msdos /dev/wd0s2 /dos_drive_c Turns out I can actually access my main Win95 C drive (first hard drive on the primary controller - freeBSD is on a second hard drive on the secondary controller (master), with the CDROM drive as a slave). For some reason, I can't mount the D: drive on the extended partition on the first drive (wd0s3) - perhaps someone who knows more than I do can explain why. Anyway, it's nice to have some extra storage space for temporary stuff in 8.3 filename format, should I need it (highly unlikely), or to grab a text file I had downloaded under Win95 or something. I have it automatically set up to mount now in .login so I can access it anytime I please. I'm aware of the risks of writing to the DOS filesystem from FreeBSD, BTW... and plan to use it mostly for copying FROM the DOS drive TO a directory on my FreeBSD drive. Now, for the crashable part - I have an OS/2 boot manager partition on /dev/wd0s1. Just for kicks, I tried: mount_msdos /dev/wd0s1 /tmp Guess what... FreeBSD instantly locked up. No keyboard input, no daemons running, nothing... followed by an instant, unclean reboot a few seconds later (all slices dirty on reboot). So it turns out it is possible to completely crash FreeBSD :-) (someone's gonna tell me I should have known that already). BTW, I also figured out how to mount my CDROM drive using mount_cd9660 using the device specified in /etc/fstab. That could be convenient in the future. Tim ---------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: Tim Gerchmez Date: 28-Jun-98 Time: 09:09:12 This message was sent by XFMail under Fvwm2 and FREEBSD. My personal website is at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html Take a look if you have the time - something for everyone there. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 28 09:23:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09294 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 09:23:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from server1.inter-s.co.uk ([194.73.61.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09285 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 09:23:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from The.Fuck.Meister@server1.inter-s.co.uk) From: The.Fuck.Meister@server1.inter-s.co.uk Received: from www.freebsd.org (th-pm01-00.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.225.64]) by server1.inter-s.co.uk (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with SMTP id 205 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:20:04 +0100 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:20:04 +0100 Message-ID: <19980628161609254.AAC89.205@www.freebsd.org> To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Right everyone, who can trace this mail ??? Give you a hint, It was me ?!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 28 10:37:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16094 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:37:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from chipweb.ml.org (qmailr@c1003518-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com [24.1.82.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA16085 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:37:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ludwigp@bigfoot.com) Received: (qmail 2780 invoked by uid 666); 28 Jun 1998 17:37:46 -0000 Received: from speedy.chipweb.ml.org (172.16.1.1) by inet.chipweb.ml.org with SMTP; 28 Jun 1998 17:37:46 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980628103743.031f1c54@mail.plstn1.sfba.home.com> X-Sender: ludwigp@mail.plstn1.sfba.home.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:37:43 -0700 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Ludwig Pummer Subject: Re: It seems FreeBSD is crashable... ;-) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:22 AM 6/28/98 -0700, Tim Gerchmez wrote: >some reason, I can't mount the D: drive on the extended partition on the >first drive (wd0s3) - perhaps someone who knows more than I do can explain >why. Drives in extended partitions start numbering with slice 5, so it's wd0s5 for you. >I have it >automatically set up to mount now in .login so I can access it anytime I >please. Or you could use /etc/fstab, which is where the rest of the filesystem are located. >I'm aware of the risks of writing to the DOS filesystem from >FreeBSD, BTW... and plan to use it mostly for copying FROM the DOS drive TO >a directory on my FreeBSD drive. You could also use mtools (package or port), which preserves long filenames and doesn't require a partition to be constantly mounted. >Now, for the crashable part - I have an OS/2 boot manager partition on >/dev/wd0s1. Just for kicks, I tried: > >mount_msdos /dev/wd0s1 /tmp > >Guess what... FreeBSD instantly locked up. No keyboard input, no daemons >running, nothing... followed by an instant, unclean reboot a few seconds >later (all slices dirty on reboot). So it turns out it is possible to >completely crash FreeBSD :-) (someone's gonna tell me I should have known >that already). That's what you get for mounting a non-dos partition with mount_msdos... --Ludwig Pummer ludwigp@bigfoot.com ICQ UIN: 692441 http://chipweb.home.ml.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 28 12:52:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02503 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:52:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from login-2.eunet.no (0@login-2.eunet.no [193.71.71.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02405 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:52:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from havardjv@gudmund.vgs.no) Received: from arwen.myst.no (pc10.bergen-pm2-1.eunet.no [193.75.12.10]) by login-2.eunet.no (8.9.0/8.9.0/GN) with ESMTP id VAA13757; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:51:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (hjv@localhost) by arwen.myst.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA00693; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:49:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from havardjv@gudmund.vgs.no) X-Authentication-Warning: arwen.myst.no: hjv owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:49:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Haavard Vaagstoel X-Sender: hjv@arwen.myst.no To: Tim Gerchmez cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: It seems FreeBSD is crashable... ;-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Tim Gerchmez wrote: > Anyway, it's nice to have some extra storage space for temporary > stuff in 8.3 filename format, should I need it (highly unlikely), or to grab > a text file I had downloaded under Win95 or something. I have it > automatically set up to mount now in .login so I can access it anytime I > please. I'm aware of the risks of writing to the DOS filesystem from > FreeBSD, BTW... and plan to use it mostly for copying FROM the DOS drive TO > a directory on my FreeBSD drive. I would suggest that instead of (uhrgg) mounting it from your .login, you put it in your /etc/fstab, and set it to be auto-mounted upon booting. And since you plan to use it mostly to copy *from*, you might as well mount it read-only while you're at it. -- Haavard Vaagstoel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 28 12:52:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02538 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:52:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02525 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:52:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from serv.net (dialup406.serv.net [207.207.70.7]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13521 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: fewtch@serv.net From: Tim Gerchmez To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Hahaha, that was so funny... Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So, who was the immature idiot who unsubscribed me from freebsd-newbies? It's hard to believe someone can freely unsubscribe others from a mailing list. If it happens again, I'll unsubscribe everyone on the list, from different Email accounts and ISP's (I have several), at random intervals. Whoever it was, don't do it again or you'll pay the piper. ---------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: Tim Gerchmez Date: 28-Jun-98 Time: 12:47:56 This message was sent by XFMail under Fvwm2 and FREEBSD. My personal website is at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html Take a look if you have the time - something for everyone there. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 28 13:52:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA07914 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:52:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07899 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:52:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from serv.net (dialup406.serv.net [207.207.70.7]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16247 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:52:23 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: fewtch@serv.net From: Tim Gerchmez To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: No more on the topic of personal Emails, I promise... Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings to all, I won't be saying any more on this list on the topic of personal Emails. I've decided to go ahead and handle everything with filters. I have this powerful OS and mail reader at my disposal, and can use them to deal with the issue, instead of complaining about it to others. So, you've heard the last on the topic from me. Now why don't we focus back on BSD. I apologize for diverting the topic in here. That *was* a violation of list protocol, and I sincerely apologize for it. From now on, I'll focus my conversation on FreeBSD_newbie-related topics. Now, back to our regular scheduled programming, as far as I'm concerned. I've decided to give StarOffice a try and am downloading the package version at the moment (everyone should take a look at www.freebsd.org/ports - I was surprised to see that for just about every port, there's a package offered as well. For this reason, I no longer keep the ports collection on my machine. Why bother, if you can download a package instead? The only thing about it is, some of the packages are newer than the standard ones offered with 2.2.6, and require updated libraries as well that AREN'T part of the standard 2.2.6 packages. That can create dependency problems. Nice to have the newest programs, but often hard to find the newest libraries to go with them. FreeBSD may not be a mix and match OS, but the software that runs on it should be able to be mixed and matched (just like you can upgrade to Office 97 from Office 95 on Win95), if care is taken with dependencies. Tim ---------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: Tim Gerchmez Date: 28-Jun-98 Time: 13:31:22 This message was sent by XFMail under Fvwm2 and FREEBSD. My personal website is at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html Take a look if you have the time - something for everyone there. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 28 14:40:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12980 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:40:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from photon.soltec.net (photon.soltec.net [206.148.208.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12974 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:40:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlr@soltec.net) Received: from soltec.net (ppp51.cu.soltec.net [206.148.209.51]) by photon.soltec.net (8.8.8/8.8.9) with ESMTP id QAA29576 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:40:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3596B824.3A6E44A2@soltec.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:39:48 -0500 From: Jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tim Gerchmez wrote: > Greetings to all, > I have heard of this product & visited their web site, but I couldn't read the language. Would you mind,please, letting me know how it works out for you? Thanks in advance. Kindest Regards, Jeff Rogers jlr@soltec.net http://www.soltec.net/~jlr > I've decided to give StarOffice a try and am downloading the package > version at the moment (everyone should take a look at www.freebsd.org/ports > - I was surprised to see that for just about every port, there's a package > offered as well. For this reason, I no longer keep the ports collection on > my machine. Why bother, if you can download a package instead? The only > thing about it is, some of the packages are newer than the standard ones > offered with 2.2.6, and require updated libraries as well that AREN'T part > of the standard 2.2.6 packages. That can create dependency problems. Nice > to have the newest programs, but often hard to find the newest libraries to > go with them. FreeBSD may not be a mix and match OS, but the software that > runs on it should be able to be mixed and matched (just like you can > upgrade to Office 97 from Office 95 on Win95), if care is taken with > dependencies. > > Tim > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > E-Mail: Tim Gerchmez > Date: 28-Jun-98 > Time: 13:31:22 > > This message was sent by XFMail under Fvwm2 and FREEBSD. > My personal website is at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html > Take a look if you have the time - something for everyone there. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 28 14:48:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13558 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:48:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13548; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:48:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Kronos80@aol.com) From: Kronos80@aol.com Received: from Kronos80@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id HEPLa02268; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <949efed5.3596b9fe@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:47:44 EDT To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Installing via FTP Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I have a question. I am trying to install FreeBSD release 2.2.6 over a PPP link with my ISP. I can get connected to my isp and switch back to F1, but it will not find any server in DNS. I also tried to specify a url ex. ftp://209.155.82.18/pub/FreeBSD/2.2.6-RELEASE , but it doesn't work. Does anyone have any sugestions? Shawn Aruch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 28 15:09:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA16163 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:09:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16158 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:09:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) From: mlduke@concentric.net Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.184.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/04/23 5.10)) id SAA03173; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:09:41 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from mlduke.concentric.net (ts002d07.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.43]) by newman.concentric.net (8.8.8) id SAA28530; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:14:16 +0000 (GMT) To: Tim Gerchmez cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: A Driver, A Revelation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It just dawned yesterday that I do not really know what a driver _is_. A little bit of data on a disk. It "comes" with the device, in this case a Mitsumi CD Rom Drive. Win finally gave up the game. Format & reload time. Never should have let it go so long. DOS cannot now "see" that drive. A 12 cent 3.5" corrupted disk prevents reloading. Which holds up a major web site redesign project--22 items on an order form, auto credit card system, $20K in art inventory to sell and dead in the water. But FBSD can see it. Does anyone know: Is there a way to copy the driver to /dos and make it work there? Which means to say, any file can be copied to /dos, but I don't even know what file it would be in the absence of the absolute path name. It came as a revelation, also, that I could even work on /dos/windows/desktop files in FBSD, but this has come as a real shock. Anyone? ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 28 15:12:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA16619 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:12:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16604 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:12:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (dialB08.aei.ca [206.123.6.92]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28606; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3596BF43.2EF11D7B@aei.ca> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:10:11 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fewtch@serv.net CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: No more on the topic of personal Emails, I promise... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > Greetings to all, > > I won't be saying any more on this list on the topic of personal Emails. > I've decided to go ahead and handle everything with filters. Tank you -- [Malartre] [malartre@aei.ca][ICQ#4224434][www.aei.ca/~malartre/][www.FreeBSD.ORG] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 28 15:19:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17586 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:19:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17581 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:19:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) From: mlduke@concentric.net Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.184.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/04/23 5.10)) id SAA04236; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:19:47 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from mlduke.concentric.net (ts002d07.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.43]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.8.8) id SAA03347; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:24:21 +0000 (GMT) To: Tim Gerchmez cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hahaha, that was so funny... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > list. If it happens again, I'll unsubscribe everyone on the list, Careful, Tim, you are in the process of revealing a part of your current--not unchangeable--nature: You will randomly screw up everyone on the list because one person did you dirt? ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 28 16:34:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25587 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:34:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bag-2.mail.digex.net (bag-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.99.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25516 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:33:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from guetzkow@access.digex.net) Received: from roadside (dcc12493.slip.digex.net [205.197.203.144]) by bag-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA14050; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:33:11 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDA2CB.95C2E300.guetzkow@access.digex.net> From: Daniel Guetzkow To: "'mlduke@concentric.net'" Cc: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: A Driver, A Revelation Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:25:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For want of a nail, the kingdom was lost..... A driver connects generic commands from the operating system or application to a specific piece of hardware. For instance, the command "Go get file 'foobar.doc' " gets converted into a series of specific CPU instructions that cause electrical activity on the CD ROM's IDE bus that causes that to actually happen intelligently. Drivers know how chips are controlled.... I take it you are looking for Mitsumi drivers for DOS? why not just get 'em from the source? Most hardware companies have posted their drivers, as they don't get rich helping you get a new copy, but they do get bad-mouthed if you can get their hardware to work.. In this case, go look at http://www.mitsumi.com/frmdri.htm or just http://www.mitsumi.com which is how I found it for you. Now if you had said you had a Sony drive, guess where I would have looked???? :-) You can use a search engine like AltaVista to help you find stuff. Sometimes a retailer or a distributor posts it, but the factory can't even be located..... I have found that most $16 3.5" drives are not as reliable as a download.... but they are much cheaper now.... From: Daniel Guetzkow just click here: mailto:guetzkow@access.digex.net On Sunday, June 28, 1998 12:14 PM, mlduke@concentric.net [SMTP:mlduke@concentric.net] wrote: > It just dawned yesterday that I do not really know what a driver _is_. > A little bit of data on a disk. It "comes" with the device, in this case > a Mitsumi CD Rom Drive. Win finally gave up the game. Format & reload > time. Never should have let it go so long. DOS cannot now "see" that > drive. A 12 cent 3.5" corrupted disk prevents reloading. Which holds up > a major web site redesign project--22 items on an order form, auto credit > card system, $20K in art inventory to sell and dead in the water. > > But FBSD can see it. Does anyone know: Is there a way to copy the driver > to /dos and make it work there? Which means to say, any file can be copied > to /dos, but I don't even know what file it would be in the absence of the > absolute path name. > > It came as a revelation, also, that I could even work on > /dos/windows/desktop files in FBSD, but this has come as a real shock. > > Anyone? > > ML Duke > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 28 16:34:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25595 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:34:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bag-2.mail.digex.net (bag-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.99.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25524 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:34:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from guetzkow@access.digex.net) Received: from roadside (dcc12493.slip.digex.net [205.197.203.144]) by bag-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA14044 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:33:15 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDA2CB.98401800.guetzkow@access.digex.net> From: Daniel Guetzkow To: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: No more on the topic of personal Emails, I promise... Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:33:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I thought Tim made a valid observation about how majordomo seems to be misbehaving. I thought that the need for an authorization code was to send to the list-subscriber a message saying that someone was kicking him off, and if that was really his intention, he should return the coded email. Kinda like getting a letter from the bank saying, by the way, someone has said that you have moved to the Cayman Islands, and if that isn't right, please call us. Except the bank should require the final OK, as majordomo should. At least it follows that kind of procedure when it sets things up-- does it not do that to depart? Sounds like Tim's uncovered a flaw......no wonder he's upset.... From: Daniel Guetzkow just click here: mailto:guetzkow@access.digex.net On Sunday, June 28, 1998 4:52 PM, Tim Gerchmez [SMTP:fewtch@serv.net] wrote: > > Greetings to all, > > I won't be saying any more on this list on the topic of personal Emails. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 28 17:25:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA03597 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:25:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03566 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:25:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02542; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:24:49 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980629102429.26759@welearn.com.au> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:24:30 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: mlduke@concentric.net Cc: Tim Gerchmez , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A Driver, A Revelation References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from mlduke@concentric.net on Sun, Jun 28, 1998 at 04:14:16PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jun 28, 1998 at 04:14:16PM +0000, mlduke@concentric.net wrote: > > But FBSD can see it. Does anyone know: Is there a way to copy the driver > to /dos and make it work there? Which means to say, any file can be copied > to /dos, but I don't even know what file it would be in the absence of the > absolute path name. No, a driver is written specifically for a particular hardware/software pair. But I don't know much more about drivers than that :-) > It came as a revelation, also, that I could even work on > /dos/windows/desktop files in FBSD, but this has come as a real shock. That's something. If I have to work on Microsoft files, I generally do the whole lot under FreeBSD and convert them at the end. That seems better than actually working on the FAT partition because mount_msdos can behave a little strangely. Maybe I'm over-cautious, but I write to a FAT partition as little as humanly possible. If they're text files (HTML?) I'm pretty sure you can use mtools to copy them in such a way that the CR/LF line endings are taken care of each time (check 'info mtools' as well as man). Another way is to use the freeware info-zip (not PKZip) under DOS as well as the zip/unzip ports for freebsd. There are command-line switches to convert the line endings of text files before or after copying the zip file across. Things like long file names and capitalisation are well taken care of by zip too. As far as getting your drive to be seen there doesn't seem to be any FreeBSD problem. You probably should be asking in Microsoft circles, but somebody here might know where you can get a DOS or Win driver for it if that's your main problem. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 28 23:17:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA14703 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:17:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA14694 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:17:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA22166; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:10:17 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19980629001017.51669@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:10:17 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Ludwig Pummer , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: It seems FreeBSD is crashable... ;-) References: <3.0.3.32.19980628103743.031f1c54@mail.plstn1.sfba.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980628103743.031f1c54@mail.plstn1.sfba.home.com>; from Ludwig Pummer on Sun, Jun 28, 1998 at 10:37:43AM -0700 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jun 28, 1998 at 10:37:43AM -0700, Ludwig Pummer wrote: > At 09:22 AM 6/28/98 -0700, Tim Gerchmez wrote: > >I'm aware of the risks of writing to the DOS filesystem from > >FreeBSD, BTW... and plan to use it mostly for copying FROM the DOS drive TO > >a directory on my FreeBSD drive. > > You could also use mtools (package or port), which preserves long filenames > and doesn't require a partition to be constantly mounted. And is (I believe) more stable. > >Now, for the crashable part - I have an OS/2 boot manager partition on > >/dev/wd0s1. Just for kicks, I tried: > > > >mount_msdos /dev/wd0s1 /tmp > That's what you get for mounting a non-dos partition with mount_msdos... And doing stuff as root. There are many ways you could crash a FreeBSD box as root. root can do anything. It's assumed that the root user either knows what they're doing, or has suitable backups. Crashing any Unix box as root is not news. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 28 23:50:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17480 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:50:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17473 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:50:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pirat@oaep.go.th) Received: from prime.oaep.go.th (slip202-135-22-174.sy.au.ibm.net [202.135.22.174]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA98356 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:50:36 GMT Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:50:51 +0700 (ICT) From: pirat sriyotha To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, i've subscribed to questions. oh what a huge amount of q & a overthere ! i get about 200 q & a per day. some are usefull to me some are good to the question maker. i am overloaded with those q & a for the last two or three days. well, i do not mean one can not ask some kind of wondering here. during discussion or talking, if one could not ask anything that were quite ... , i do not know how to say, apologize me sue. but i suggest newbies to subscribe to question for a few days and make your own choice to ask a real question in newbies or in questions. i have to leave for those q & a for a moment. i am stil a newbies even at the age of 15 ( plus 40 ) years old. rgds, psr pirat@center.oaep.go.th To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 00:56:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA25307 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:56:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA25216 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:56:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA03692; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:48:54 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980629174850.54128@welearn.com.au> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:48:50 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: pirat sriyotha Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: questions References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from pirat sriyotha on Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 01:50:51PM +0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 01:50:51PM +0700, pirat sriyotha wrote: > hi, > > i've subscribed to questions. oh what a huge amount of q & a overthere ! > i get about 200 q & a per day. some are usefull to me some are good to > the question maker. i am overloaded with those q & a for the last two or > three days. You can ask freebsd-questions without subscribing. They are very happy to answer questions from newbies, and they usually send you a copy of the reply by email as well. It is the place for all support questions about FreeBSD. The only place. We are all welcome there. > well, i do not mean one can not ask some kind of wondering here. during > discussion or talking, if one could not ask anything that were quite ... , > i do not know how to say, apologize me sue. but i suggest newbies to > subscribe to question for a few days and make your own choice to ask a > real question in newbies or in questions. Perhaps I didn't explain clearly enough when you asked about it a couple of times before, sorry. I'll give some more info here because others might be interested too. According to the information in the Handbook about mailing lists, there are some requirements for people who wish to participate. For example, support questions must go to freebsd-questions as set out in the list charters, and matters relating to the FreeBSD Documentation Project go to freebsd-doc, not to freebsd-ports which is for people porting software, and so on. The main requirement is that each list "charter", or description, be followed. That means that you can only use a mailing list for its own special purpose. This is all carefully set out at (currently) http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook345.html I recommend that everyone should read this page carefully. You will find a short description of each list, and at the top is some information about general behaviour for all FreeBSD mailing lists. The requirements are very few, and very specific. In the case of freebsd-newbies, we have a longer document that describes the list. It is at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ It, too, spells out what this list is for and what it is not for, and offers more advice. It is distributed via the list once a week. In addition, when you subscribe to freebsd-newbies you are sent a short automated note which explains the difference between freebsd-newbies and freebsd-questions and provides the URLs where you can get the full information. There aren't very many rules, but when we use a mailing list we choose to be governed by the list charters and the general list behaviour guidelines. Their purpose is to help us all to achieve what we want to achieve by understanding the best way to work together. Please take a look, and you are welcome to ask here if there is anything you don't understand about http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook345.html -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 01:42:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA04724 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:42:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA04694 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:41:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pirat@oaep.go.th) Received: from prime.oaep.go.th (slip202-135-22-148.sy.au.ibm.net [202.135.22.148]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA67952; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:41:46 GMT Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:42:05 +0700 (ICT) From: pirat sriyotha To: Tim Gerchmez cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: It seems FreeBSD is crashable... ;-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi Tim, On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > Now, for the crashable part - I have an OS/2 boot manager partition on > /dev/wd0s1. Just for kicks, I tried: > > mount_msdos /dev/wd0s1 /tmp > > oh no. i fear that you mount to the world write-able partition is wrong. idle is lucky enough. belief in me. i had to do low level format my hdisk and reinstall. but that was for 2.1.0. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 06:13:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11314 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:13:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA11305 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:13:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uusite!ANGUSSF@baygull.rtd.com) Received: from uusite.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) with UUCP id GAA07384 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:13:09 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199806291313.GAA07384@baygull.rtd.com> Received: by sf.geoapps.com (MG PM3-Waf 3.42D); Mon, 29 Jun 98 05:57:40 -0700 (MST) From: "Angus Scott-Fleming" Organization: GeoApps To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:17:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The average Unix user Reply-to: angussf@geoapps.com In-reply-to: <3595BA8A.E1AF3A94@iconmedia.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 27 Jun 98 at 23:37, Aaron Walker wrote: > Before a year ago, the only thing I new about UNIX was how to spell That should read "the only thing I gnu about Unix..." ---- Angus Scott-Fleming, GeoApplications angussf@geoapps.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 06:21:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12564 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:21:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.honk.org (mpoulin@honk.org [206.191.48.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA12547; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:21:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from localhost (mpoulin@localhost) by mail.honk.org (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA24764; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:22:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:22:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin To: Kronos80@aol.com cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing via FTP In-Reply-To: <949efed5.3596b9fe@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I had similar problems installing FreeBSD 2.2.6 The way I got around it was to boot using an older 2.2.5-Release boot floppy, changing the version setting in the config file from 2.2.5 to 2.2.6, and working through the install that way. Once I did that, the PPP connection worked properly and the install went fine. (Sorry the details are sketchy - it's been a while since I did it) Probably not the best solution, but it did the trick. =========== Quotefile(c) 1997 Martin Poulin ============================= TV is chewing gum for the eyes. - Frank Lloyd Wright On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 Kronos80@aol.com wrote: > Hello, > I have a question. I am trying to install FreeBSD release 2.2.6 over a PPP > link with my ISP. I can get connected to my isp and switch back to F1, but it > will not find any server in DNS. I also tried to specify a url ex. > ftp://209.155.82.18/pub/FreeBSD/2.2.6-RELEASE , but it doesn't work. Does > anyone have any sugestions? > > Shawn Aruch > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 06:37:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15636 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:37:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw1.konstanz.netsurf.de (root@gw1.konstanz.netsurf.de [194.163.242.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA15627 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:37:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@konstanz.netsurf.de) Received: from duffner.konstanz.netsurf.de (surf78.konstanz.netsurf.de [194.163.242.78]) by gw1.konstanz.netsurf.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA23079; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:37:08 +0200 Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:01:14 +0200 (MESZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: Re: Installing via FTP To: Kronos80@aol.com cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <949efed5.3596b9fe@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun 28 Jun, Kronos80@aol.com wrote: > Hello, > I have a question. I am trying to install FreeBSD release 2.2.6 over a PPP > link with my ISP. I can get connected to my isp and switch back to F1, but it > will not find any server in DNS. I also tried to specify a url ex. > ftp://209.155.82.18/pub/FreeBSD/2.2.6-RELEASE , but it doesn't work. Does > anyone have any sugestions? Erm.... You not trying to install from AOL, are you ? TTBOMK AOL doesn't offer a full and real internet access, as a normal ISP would. Also, I'd question if it is really convenient to install over AOL, even is it work. It's great if you have a 2MBit line and the mirror is somewhere on the same WAN, but over modem/ISDN ? ? ? (Somebody proof me wrong). cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@konstanz.netsurf.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 06:37:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15672 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:37:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw1.konstanz.netsurf.de (root@gw1.konstanz.netsurf.de [194.163.242.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA15647 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:37:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@konstanz.netsurf.de) Received: from duffner.konstanz.netsurf.de (surf78.konstanz.netsurf.de [194.163.242.78]) by gw1.konstanz.netsurf.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA23075; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:37:05 +0200 Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:55:41 +0200 (MESZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: Re: Star Office To: Jeff cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3596B824.3A6E44A2@soltec.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun 28 Jun, Jeff wrote: > > > Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > > Greetings to all, > > > > I have heard of this product & visited their web site, but I couldn't read the > language. Would you mind,please, letting me know how it works out for you? > Thanks in advance. I think they have at least an English version of their homepage. http://www.stardivision.com Also, the latest version does no longer work under the Linux-Emulation. You should have 64MB RAM BTW.... cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@konstanz.netsurf.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 07:24:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23995 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 07:24:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23986 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 07:24:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from serv.net (dialup621.serv.net [207.207.65.21]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA02342; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 07:24:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 07:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: fewtch@serv.net From: Tim Gerchmez To: mlduke@concentric.net Subject: RE: A Driver, A Revelation Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 28-Jun-98 mlduke@concentric.net wrote: > It just dawned yesterday that I do not really know what a driver _is_. > A little bit of data on a disk. In a nutshell, drivers are interfaces between an operating system and the hardware that OS controls. They are *always* specific to a particular OS or operating environment, and a Win95 driver won't work with Win NT, DOS, Unix or anything else but Win95. There are no exceptions to this rule whatsoever, unless the driver is specifically designed to work in multiple environments (very few are). > But FBSD can see it. Does anyone know: Is there a way to copy the driver > to /dos and make it work there? Which means to say, any file can be > copied to /dos, but I don't even know what file it would be in the absence > of the absolute path name. It's highly doubtful, if not impossible, that anything like that would work. ---------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: Tim Gerchmez Date: 29-Jun-98 Time: 07:11:37 This message was sent by XFMail under Fvwm2 and FREEBSD. My personal website is at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html Take a look if you have the time - something for everyone there. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 07:24:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA24011 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 07:24:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23956 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 07:24:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from serv.net (dialup621.serv.net [207.207.65.21]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA02329; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 07:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <01BDA2CB.98401800.guetzkow@access.digex.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 07:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: fewtch@serv.net From: Tim Gerchmez To: Daniel Guetzkow Subject: RE: No more on the topic of personal Emails, I promise... Cc: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Strangely enough, although they use authorization codes and such when subscribing, it's just the opposite when unsubscribing. Anyone can unsubscribe anybody else. Take a look at this portion of the letter I received from majordomo@freebsd.org after resubscribing: ------------ Welcome to the freebsd-newbies mailing list! Please save this message for future reference. Thank you. If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe freebsd-newbies or from another account, besides fewtch@serv.net: unsubscribe freebsd-newbies fewtch@serv.net ------------ BTW, thanks for understanding why I would be upset. If someone unsubscribed YOU from the list without your knowledge or consent I think you would be too, and that goes for anyone else on the list as well. On 28-Jun-98 Daniel Guetzkow wrote: > I thought Tim made a valid observation about how majordomo seems to be > misbehaving. I thought that the need for an authorization code was to > send to the list-subscriber a message saying that someone was kicking him > off, and if that was really his intention, he should return the coded > email. > > Kinda like getting a letter from the bank saying, by the way, someone has > said that you have moved to the Cayman Islands, and if that isn't right, > please call us. Except the bank should require the final OK, as majordomo > should. > > At least it follows that kind of procedure when it sets things up-- does > it not do that to depart? Sounds like Tim's uncovered a flaw......no > wonder he's upset.... ---------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: Tim Gerchmez Date: 29-Jun-98 Time: 07:16:26 This message was sent by XFMail under Fvwm2 and FREEBSD. My personal website is at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html Take a look if you have the time - something for everyone there. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 12:20:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19969 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:20:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19943 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:20:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA24455 for newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:19:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:19:19 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199806291919.MAA24455@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Reference: Unix in 20-30 years In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 07:56:22 -0700 (PDT) >From: Tim Gerchmez >...I just wish I had support for my sound card, >scanner, Syquest SparQ drive and special drivers for my inkjet printer so I can >print in color, etc, not just via a mindless text dump to the printer port. For the scanner, you might see if http://www.mostang.com/sane has anything you can use. For the printer... well, the usual technique in the UNIX environments I've used is to use PostScript devices... and that works just fine for color PostScript printers. Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 12:46:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24097 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:46:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24047 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:46:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Kronos80@aol.com) From: Kronos80@aol.com Received: from Kronos80@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id IMUOa29473; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <131c1941.3597ee8a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:44:06 EDT To: Rainer.Duffner@konstanz.netsurf.de, mpoulin@honk.org Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Installing via FTP Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org no I am not that much of a newbie, just never tried installing FreeBSD. I think I will try the 2.5.5 release boot floppy. thanx. shawn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 13:20:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00548 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:20:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00341; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:19:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (aeiusrI-26.aei.ca [206.186.205.176]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10648; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3597F619.4C82C04A@aei.ca> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:16:25 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fewtch@serv.net CC: Daniel Guetzkow , "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FW: No more on the topic of personal Emails, I promise... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ********** Subject: Date:Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:57:32 -0400 From:Malartre To:majordomo@freebsd.org unsubscribe freebsd-stable malartre@aei.ca ********** Subject:Majordomo results Date:Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:00:39 -0700 (PDT) From:Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG To:malartre@aei.ca >>>> unsubscribe freebsd-stable malartre@aei.ca Succeeded. ********** That sucks. It was a test to see how the unsubscribe work. All people can unsubscribe me(or anyother) from any list. This is playing with fire. I could unsubscribe everyone on this list. -- [Malartre] [malartre@aei.ca][ICQ#4224434][www.aei.ca/~malartre/][www.FreeBSD.ORG] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 13:31:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02679 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:31:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02603 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:30:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA05407; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 06:30:13 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980630063009.34210@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 06:30:09 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: fewtch@serv.net Cc: Daniel Guetzkow , "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: No more on the topic of personal Emails, I promise... References: <01BDA2CB.98401800.guetzkow@access.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Tim Gerchmez on Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 07:23:16AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 07:23:16AM -0700, Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > Strangely enough, although they use authorization codes and such when > subscribing, it's just the opposite when unsubscribing. It probably looks that way, but it is not possible for one subscriber to unsubscribe another subscriber. The FreeBSD lists are set up so that only the subscriber or the FreeBSD Postmaster can unsubscribe people. > Anyone can unsubscribe anybody else. Take a look at this portion of the > letter I received from majordomo@freebsd.org after resubscribing: You must be referring to this: > or from another account, besides fewtch@serv.net: > > unsubscribe freebsd-newbies fewtch@serv.net That's part of the standard info from Majordomo. Majordomo itself provides that facility, but in the case of these lists it is inactivated for ordinary subscribers (but not for the Postmaster). Sometimes the Postmaster needs to use such a command, for example, because a subscribed account has gone haywire and is spitting rubbish to a list and the subscriber or their administrator cannot be contacted. No-one else can do it though. I wonder how you ascertained that you were unsubscribed. It is fairly common for people to be unsubscribed after a certain number of messages to that subscriber have bounced. You may not receive an advice of this, after all, Majordomo has ascertained that the mail couldn't go through. This is an automatic process, part of Majordomo's self-preservation instinct. If there have been problems with mail at your end, or if you have any doubts, the easiest way is to attempt to subscribe to the list again. Majordomo will either resubscribe you, or write back saying you're already subscribed. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 13:35:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03359 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:35:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03244; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:34:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA05455; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 06:34:16 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980630063413.15924@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 06:34:13 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Malartre Cc: fewtch@serv.net, Daniel Guetzkow , "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: majordomo References: <3597F619.4C82C04A@aei.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3597F619.4C82C04A@aei.ca>; from Malartre on Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 04:16:25PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 04:16:25PM -0400, Malartre wrote: > ********** > Subject: > Date:Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:57:32 -0400 > From:Malartre > To:majordomo@freebsd.org > unsubscribe freebsd-stable malartre@aei.ca > ********** > Subject:Majordomo results > Date:Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:00:39 -0700 (PDT) > From:Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG > To:malartre@aei.ca > > >>>> unsubscribe freebsd-stable malartre@aei.ca > Succeeded. > ********** > That sucks. It was a test to see how the unsubscribe work. But you were only unsubscribing yourself. > All people can unsubscribe me(or anyother) from any list. This is > playing with fire. I could unsubscribe everyone on this list. Nah, if that were the case, none of us would last long :-) I *strongly* recommend that you *not* attempt to unsubscribe someone else. It won't work, and a record of your attempt will be kept. That doesn't look very nice, and might cause someone to waste a lot of time trying to decide whether you're a crook or not :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 13:43:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05136 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:43:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05002; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:42:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (kaput@aeiusrI-26.aei.ca [206.186.205.176]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13588; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3597FB72.EB269AC5@aei.ca> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:39:14 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake CC: fewtch@serv.net, Daniel Guetzkow , "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: majordomo References: <3597F619.4C82C04A@aei.ca> <19980630063413.15924@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 04:16:25PM -0400, Malartre wrote: > > ********** > > Subject: > > Date:Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:57:32 -0400 > > From:Malartre > > To:majordomo@freebsd.org > > unsubscribe freebsd-stable malartre@aei.ca > > ********** > > Subject:Majordomo results > > Date:Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:00:39 -0700 (PDT) > > From:Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG > > To:malartre@aei.ca > > > > >>>> unsubscribe freebsd-stable malartre@aei.ca > > Succeeded. > > ********** > > That sucks. It was a test to see how the unsubscribe work. > > But you were only unsubscribing yourself. I know, but it work. I unsubscribe myself and majordomo dont ask me authentification. -- [Malartre] [malartre@aei.ca][ICQ#4224434][www.aei.ca/~malartre/][www.FreeBSD.ORG] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 13:48:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA06143 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:48:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06040 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:48:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA05505; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 06:47:54 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980630064751.21014@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 06:47:51 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Malartre Cc: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: majordomo References: <3597F619.4C82C04A@aei.ca> <19980630063413.15924@welearn.com.au> <3597FB72.EB269AC5@aei.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3597FB72.EB269AC5@aei.ca>; from Malartre on Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 04:39:14PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 04:39:14PM -0400, Malartre wrote: > Sue Blake wrote: > > > > > That sucks. It was a test to see how the unsubscribe work. > > > > But you were only unsubscribing yourself. > I know, but it work. I unsubscribe myself and majordomo dont ask me > authentification. Yes, that's true. You might need to unsubscribe in a hurry because you're going on holidays or your system is going down. You might not be there to confirm. Anyway, majordomo knows it came from you so it's OK. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 14:52:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16757 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:52:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16696; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:52:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@shell.futuresouth.com) Received: (from fullermd@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22924; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:51:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19980629165158.34857@futuresouth.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:51:58 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Malartre Cc: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: majordomo References: <3597F619.4C82C04A@aei.ca> <19980630063413.15924@welearn.com.au> <3597FB72.EB269AC5@aei.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <3597FB72.EB269AC5@aei.ca>; from Malartre on Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 04:39:14PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (massive cc's trimmed) On Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 04:39:14PM -0400, Malartre woke me up to tell me: > Sue Blake wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 04:16:25PM -0400, Malartre wrote: > > > ********** > > > Subject: > > > Date:Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:57:32 -0400 > > > From:Malartre ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > unsubscribe freebsd-stable malartre@aei.ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > But you were only unsubscribing yourself. > I know, but it work. I unsubscribe myself and majordomo dont ask me > authentification. > It does the authentication based on your From header. If I tried, it wouldn't work. Go ahead, try and unsubscribe me. I ran into this a while back when the primary ID of a system I was subscribed on changed; I had to go to some pains to unsubscribe. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | FreeBSD; the way computers were meant to be | * "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is * | that I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet."| * fullermd@futuresouth.com :-} MAtthew Fuller * | http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 16:43:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05485 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:43:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05418 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:43:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff [206.173.119.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/05/18 5.10)) id TAA27331; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:43:15 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from default (ts001d09.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.21]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.8.8) id TAA28466; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359827A3.3382@concentric.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:47:47 -0600 From: ML Duke Reply-To: mlduke@concentric.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-GZone (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Loading Win Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After this format drive/reload win95 experience, I have been reminded that I have an undocumented trick whenever its necessary to reinstall win95: "setup \ir" from the cdrom drive in dos will reinstall 95 without trashing the FBSD Boot Manager. To access the cdrom drive, delete "Rem by..." from the appropriate line in autoexecbat such that the line begins with "C..." to access the cdrom. Note that this only works on a reinstall. I just discovered it _does not_ work on a new install after formatting the drive. win wiped out the boot mgr with nary a please nor how de do. To those who responded with such helpful replies when I was having the cdrom driver problem, my many thanks. Those messages are in BSD and when I go back there you will hear from me. Beyond that, when installing a device driver, it sure helps a lot to have the ribbon cable plugged in to the device (very red face). So I wasted some time consumed by helpful volunteers. My apologies. The above, hopefully, will save some time for anyone running dual systems where 95 is one of them. And, BTW, I've posted this in response to some posts on questions, and even the old timers were completely unaware. ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 16:52:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06949 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:52:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06848; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:51:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from serv.net (dialup518.serv.net [207.207.70.83]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25735; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3597FB72.EB269AC5@aei.ca> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: fewtch@serv.net From: Tim Gerchmez To: Malartre Subject: Re: majordomo Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" , Daniel Guetzkow , Sue Blake Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You think that's bad, if you want me to try an experiment, I'll unsubscribe you myself, Malartre, using my normal Email address (fewtch@serv.net) (just as an experiment). No authentication is one thing, but letting someone else do it is another. Let me know if you want me to try it. On 29-Jun-98 Malartre wrote: > Sue Blake wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 04:16:25PM -0400, Malartre wrote: >> > ********** >> > Subject: >> > Date:Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:57:32 -0400 >> > From:Malartre >> > To:majordomo@freebsd.org >> > unsubscribe freebsd-stable malartre@aei.ca >> > ********** >> > Subject:Majordomo results >> > Date:Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:00:39 -0700 (PDT) >> > From:Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG >> > To:malartre@aei.ca >> > >> > >>>> unsubscribe freebsd-stable malartre@aei.ca >> > Succeeded. >> > ********** >> > That sucks. It was a test to see how the unsubscribe work. >> >> But you were only unsubscribing yourself. > I know, but it work. I unsubscribe myself and majordomo dont ask me > authentification. > > -- > [Malartre] > [malartre@aei.ca][ICQ#4224434][www.aei.ca/~malartre/][www.FreeBSD.ORG] ---------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: Tim Gerchmez Date: 29-Jun-98 Time: 16:37:08 This message was sent by XFMail under Fvwm2 and FREEBSD. My personal website is at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html Take a look if you have the time - something for everyone there. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 16:52:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06973 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:52:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06860 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:51:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from serv.net (dialup518.serv.net [207.207.70.83]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25726; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: fewtch@serv.net From: Tim Gerchmez To: Cory Kempf , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need a tip - X equiv. of Eudora? Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I did - it's called xfmail. Actually, the filters (called 'rules' in xfmail) are even more powerful and flexible than Eudora's. It's one heck of an excellent mail client, and doesn't cost anything, unlike Eudora... :p On 29-Jun-98 Cory Kempf wrote: > Tim Gerchmez writes: > >> Say, what's the best POP client for Email under X? Looking for >> something >> similar to Eudora in Windows. > > If you find something close, let me know. > > Personally, I have shifted to using gnus (part of emacs) and procmail > -- mostly 'cause I needed more power than I was getting from the > eudora filters. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: Tim Gerchmez Date: 29-Jun-98 Time: 16:39:08 This message was sent by XFMail under Fvwm2 and FREEBSD. My personal website is at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html Take a look if you have the time - something for everyone there. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 17:14:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10603 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:14:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10358; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:12:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06028; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:11:43 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980630101140.33052@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:11:40 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: fewtch@serv.net Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: majordomo Reply-To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3597FB72.EB269AC5@aei.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Tim Gerchmez on Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 04:51:31PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 04:51:31PM -0700, Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > You think that's bad, if you want me to try an experiment, I'll unsubscribe > you myself, Malartre, using my normal Email address (fewtch@serv.net) > (just as an experiment). No authentication is one thing, but letting > someone else do it is another. Let me know if you want me to try it. Given your recent activities, such an "experiment" could be easily misconstrued :-) I have already explained how unsubscribing works. The proper place for learning about using the mailing lists is freebsd-newbies where this conversation started. Somehow it got cross-posted to -chat, so I have set the reply-to to -newbies. Let's keep it there. There is seldom good reason for posting to two lists at once. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 17:22:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12183 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:22:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12075 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:22:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (kaput@pm03-05.aei.ca [206.123.6.155]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA09492 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35982F10.3327A46F@aei.ca> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:19:28 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: majordomo References: <3597FB72.EB269AC5@aei.ca> <19980630101140.33052@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 04:51:31PM -0700, Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > > > You think that's bad, if you want me to try an experiment, I'll unsubscribe > > you myself, Malartre, using my normal Email address (fewtch@serv.net) > > (just as an experiment). No authentication is one thing, but letting > > someone else do it is another. Let me know if you want me to try it. > > Given your recent activities, such an "experiment" could be easily > misconstrued :-) I have already explained how unsubscribing works. > > The proper place for learning about using the mailing lists is > freebsd-newbies where this conversation started. Somehow it got > cross-posted to -chat, so I have set the reply-to to -newbies. Let's keep > it there. There is seldom good reason for posting to two lists at once. > Sorry for the cross posting. -- [Malartre] [malartre@aei.ca][ICQ#4224434][www.aei.ca/~malartre/][www.FreeBSD.ORG] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 19:14:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02813 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:14:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from natsiq.nunanet.com (root@natsiq.nunanet.com [199.247.47.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA02729 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:14:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@nunanet.com) Received: from morrigan (ppp-195.nunanet.com [199.247.47.195]) by natsiq.nunanet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA24028 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:08:15 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bda3cc$6af774e0$c32ff7c7@morrigan> From: "Marcel Mason" To: Subject: Re: How important is "the OS?" Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:08:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >On 26-Jun-98 David Wolfskill wrote: > >> >> >> What, pray tell, is wrong with using a text editor to write programs? >> >> Please recall that the final letter of "HTML" stands for "Language". > >I agree with you 99% here David... I *almost* always do my web pages entirely >by hand. However, it DOES make it difficult to create very complex pages >with complicated layouts, especially with a lot of frames, forms and tables. A >wysiwyg editor can help under those circumstances, and you can always edit the >final output by hand. Generally if I'm designing a very complex web >page/series of pages (which is almost never, since I hate complex web pages :-) >I'll resort to some kind of web designer program to assist in the initial >stages. Absolutely *nothing* wrong with using a text editor for making web pages, it's a bit slow but it's do-able fer sure. The point of the original statement was that I think it would be nice if there was something between notepad and FrontPage for the unix world. In the Win95 environmenet I use Arachnophilia which either allow me to type in tags by hand or highlight a chunk of text and tell the prog what I want done with it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 19:14:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02850 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:14:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from natsiq.nunanet.com (root@natsiq.nunanet.com [199.247.47.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA02737 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:14:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@nunanet.com) Received: from morrigan (ppp-195.nunanet.com [199.247.47.195]) by natsiq.nunanet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA24031 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:08:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bda3cc$6c998c20$c32ff7c7@morrigan> From: "Marcel Mason" To: "freebsd-newbies" Subject: Re: How important is "the OS?" Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:22:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tim Gerchmez said: >Actually, there is no problem on the software side as far as Unix goes - in >fact, most of what costs in Windows you get free in Unix, and usually with >equal the features and triple the configurability. Honestly, how hard have you >looked for an HTML editor for Unix? Have you searched the Net thoroughly? >BTW, HTML is so easy to program, why not learn to do it by hand. You say you >like control over configurability, well, writing HTML by hand is a breeze and >gives you complete control over the layout and display of the pages. To me, >it's the only way to fly. I've had a fairly good look around (and actually found a few ftp sites with *nix software on them that I'm contemplating posting here someday) and found *almost* all the software I need. Many hours have, and still are, spent looking for available *nix software to do what I need to do. HTML *is* easy to code, the first sites I built were built completely with note pad. The usual swing followed to 100% wysiwyg editors which very soon lost their luster because while they were easy to use they took away too much control. The swing settled at programs like Arachnophilia & Galt WebMaster which give me the best of both worlds. * Type text * highlight text * click tag wanted on tool bar * done I work on corporate intranets a lot of the time, they don't want to pay for the time it takes for people to type in every tag by hand. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 29 19:16:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03182 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:16:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from natsiq.nunanet.com (root@natsiq.nunanet.com [199.247.47.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA03055 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:15:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@nunanet.com) Received: from morrigan (ppp-195.nunanet.com [199.247.47.195]) by natsiq.nunanet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA24040 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:09:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bda3cc$96ff1fc0$c32ff7c7@morrigan> From: "Marcel Mason" To: "freebsd-newbies" Subject: Re: How important is "the OS?" Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:22:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tim Gerchmez said: >Actually, there is no problem on the software side as far as Unix goes - in >fact, most of what costs in Windows you get free in Unix, and usually with >equal the features and triple the configurability. Honestly, how hard have you >looked for an HTML editor for Unix? Have you searched the Net thoroughly? >BTW, HTML is so easy to program, why not learn to do it by hand. You say you >like control over configurability, well, writing HTML by hand is a breeze and >gives you complete control over the layout and display of the pages. To me, >it's the only way to fly. I've had a fairly good look around (and actually found a few ftp sites with *nix software on them that I'm contemplating posting here someday) and found *almost* all the software I need. Many hours have, and still are, spent looking for available *nix software to do what I need to do. HTML *is* easy to code, the first sites I built were built completely with note pad. The usual swing followed to 100% wysiwyg editors which very soon lost their luster because while they were easy to use they took away too much control. The swing settled at programs like Arachnophilia & Galt WebMaster which give me the best of both worlds. * Type text * highlight text * click tag wanted on tool bar * done I work on corporate intranets a lot of the time, they don't want to pay for the time it takes for people to type in every tag by hand. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 30 02:18:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA10171 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:18:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from login-2.eunet.no (0@login-2.eunet.no [193.71.71.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA10106 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:18:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from havardjv@gudmund.vgs.no) Received: from arwen.myst.no (pc33.bergen-pm2-1.eunet.no [193.75.12.40]) by login-2.eunet.no (8.9.0/8.9.0/GN) with ESMTP id LAA24504; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:18:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (hjv@localhost) by arwen.myst.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA00297; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:41:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from havardjv@gudmund.vgs.no) X-Authentication-Warning: arwen.myst.no: hjv owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:41:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Haavard Vaagstoel X-Sender: hjv@arwen.myst.no To: Tim Gerchmez cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: No more on the topic of personal Emails, I promise... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Tim Gerchmez wrote: > Strangely enough, although they use authorization codes and such when > subscribing, it's just the opposite when unsubscribing. Anyone can > unsubscribe anybody else. Take a look at this portion of the letter I > received from majordomo@freebsd.org after resubscribing: Well, it is not all that strange, considering that it's far less of a hassle to recieve no mail from a list than it is to recieve a truckload of mail from a number of lists you haven't subscribed to yourself. While it may or may not be necessary to use some sort of authorization when unsubscribing, it is very important when it comes to subscribing. -- Haavard Vaagstoel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 30 05:16:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA08844 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 05:16:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from info1.info.tampere.fi (root@info1.info.tampere.fi [212.63.6.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA08781 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 05:16:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lmkjuksi@info1.info.tampere.fi) Received: from info1.info.tampere.fi (pc033.soitto.info.tampere.fi [194.188.215.33]) by info1.info.tampere.fi (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA25499; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:17:14 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <3598D6D5.B4A51A27@info1.info.tampere.fi> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:15:18 +0300 From: "Jukka Similä" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake CC: fewtch@serv.net, Daniel Guetzkow , "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: majordomo is ok, don't blame it.. References: <01BDA2CB.98401800.guetzkow@access.digex.net> <19980630063009.34210@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > It probably looks that way, but it is not possible for one subscriber to > unsubscribe another subscriber. The FreeBSD lists are set up so that only > the subscriber or the FreeBSD Postmaster can unsubscribe people. > > > Anyone can unsubscribe anybody else. Take a look at this portion of the > > letter I received from majordomo@freebsd.org after resubscribing: > > You must be referring to this: > > > or from another account, besides fewtch@serv.net: > > > > unsubscribe freebsd-newbies fewtch@serv.net > > That's part of the standard info from Majordomo. Majordomo itself > provides that facility, but in the case of these lists it is inactivated > for ordinary subscribers (but not for the Postmaster). Sometimes the > Postmaster needs to use such a command, for example, because a subscribed > account has gone haywire and is spitting rubbish to a list and the > subscriber or their administrator cannot be contacted. No-one else can > do it though. > > I wonder how you ascertained that you were unsubscribed. It is fairly > common for people to be unsubscribed after a certain number of messages > to that subscriber have bounced. You may not receive an advice of this, > after all, Majordomo has ascertained that the mail couldn't go through. > This is an automatic process, part of Majordomo's self-preservation > instinct. > > If there have been problems with mail at your end, or if you have any > doubts, the easiest way is to attempt to subscribe to the list again. > Majordomo will either resubscribe you, or write back saying you're > already subscribed. > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > Wellwell, i had to test this also.. i unsubscribed myself from my hotmail address and authentication works ok, this is what i got: ------ >>>> unsubscribe freebsd-newbies lmkjuksi@info1.info.tampere.fi Your request to Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG: unsubscribe freebsd-newbies lmkjuksi@info1.info.tampere.fi has been forwarded to the owner of the "freebsd-newbies" list for approval. This could be for any of several reasons: You might have asked to subscribe to a "closed" list, where all new additions must be approved by the list owner. You might have asked to subscribe or unsubscribe an address other than the one that appears in the headers of your mail message. When the list owner approves your request, you will be notified. If you have any questions about the policy of the list owner, please contact "freebsd-newbies-approval@FreeBSD.ORG". Thanks! Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG ----- pz. sorry, list owner, whoever you are, for some extra work.. :) Jukka Simila To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 30 14:39:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10008 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:39:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09996 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:39:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from serv.net (dialup129.serv.net [205.153.153.158]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA26923 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: fewtch@serv.net From: Tim Gerchmez To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Undesired Personal Email Rejected. Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings - This is a form letter set to be sent whenever I receive a message from you. I'd like to remind you that I'd prefer not to receive personal messages from you in my mailbox. Your message has been deleted unread automatically by my filters, and this letter has been mailed to you. It will be sent any time I receive a personal Email from you. Please try to remember next time not to send Email to my personal mailbox. Your compliance is greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Tim fewtch@serv.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 30 15:02:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13207 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:02:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from servicios.ubp.edu.ar (200.32.95.2.impsat.net.ar [200.32.95.2] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13202 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:02:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from meschoyez@ubp.edu.ar) Received: from webmail ([200.5.101.244]) by servicios.ubp.edu.ar (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 328; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:06:16 -0300 From: "Maximiliano A. Eschoyez" To: Tim Parkinson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people on the list use FreeBSD for? X-Mailer: Netscape Messenger Express 1.0x [Mozilla/3.01Gold (Win95; I)] Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:06:16 -0300 Message-ID: <19980630220616064.AAA236.328@webmail> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I'm curious as to what people are using their FreeBSD machines for. > >---------------------------------------------- >Tim Parkinson -Teaching Company Associate >Nottingham Trent University & Clerical Gas Ltd >Tel: 0115 9783677 Fax: 0115 9706977 >tim.parkinson@ccr.ntu.ac.uk >tim@gubbins.ml.org -Home Tim: Well, you know, I'm a student (engineering in telecomunications). So, I decided to learn about UNIX enviroments 'cause my idea is to work with networks when I'll be graduated. At home I have a i486dx2 66Mhz that is running under DOS and WIN 3.1 (this pair is better than the WIN 95 'OS'), and of course FREE BSD. I started with FreeBSD on April (I'm a really NEWBIE), and now I'm learning new commands (all are new for me :-) ) and trying to have only UNIX-like OS at home. Today my PC is used for University and for experiments (hardware installation, different OS, games(OF COURSE!!!), etc.). But I'm working on LAN networks and I found it very stable and you can trust in it; the problem is that they need MS 'OS' to start working. Cheers, Maxi *** Free software sometimes is better than the commercial *** *** Take the best choice and don't be slaves *** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 30 15:50:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22384 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:50:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.impulse.net (mail.impulse.net [204.188.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA22271 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:50:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@merchantsnet.com) Received: (qmail 13461 invoked from network); 30 Jun 1998 22:50:04 -0000 Received: from sb1-54.impulse.net (HELO 708644668) (204.188.6.54) by mail.impulse.net with SMTP; 30 Jun 1998 22:50:04 -0000 From: "Michael P. Sale" To: , Subject: Re: Undesired Personal Email Rejected. Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:45:17 -0700 Message-ID: <01bda478$c10e1bc0$3606bccc@708644668> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This has got to be the funniest thing I've seen on here in a long time. You sure you didn't unsubscribe yourself from the list Tim? :-) Mike -----Original Message----- From: Tim Gerchmez To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 3:39 PM Subject: Undesired Personal Email Rejected. > >Greetings - > >This is a form letter set to be sent whenever I receive a message from you. >I'd like to remind you that I'd prefer not to receive personal messages >from you in my mailbox. Your message has been deleted unread automatically >by my filters, and this letter has been mailed to you. It will be sent >any time I receive a personal Email from you. > >Please try to remember next time not to send Email to my personal mailbox. >Your compliance is greatly appreciated. > >Sincerely, > >Tim >fewtch@serv.net > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 30 18:58:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27468 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:58:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27450 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:58:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uusite!ANGUSSF@baygull.rtd.com) Received: from uusite.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) with UUCP id SAA28321 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:57:52 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199807010157.SAA28321@baygull.rtd.com> Received: by sf.geoapps.com (MG PM3-Waf 3.42D); Tue, 30 Jun 98 18:51:10 -0700 (MST) From: Sue Blake Organization: GeoApps To: "Jukka Simil_" Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:26:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: majordomo is ok, don't blame it.. Reply-to: angussf@geoapps.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <3598D6D5.B4A51A27@info1.info.tampere.fi> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 30 Jun 98 at 15:15, Jukka Simil_ wrote: > >>>> unsubscribe freebsd-newbies lmkjuksi@info1.info.tampere.fi > Your request to Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG: > > unsubscribe freebsd-newbies > lmkjuksi@info1.info.tampere.fi > > has been forwarded to the owner of the "freebsd-newbies" list > for approval. This could be for any of several reasons: > > You might have asked to subscribe to a "closed" list, where > all new > additions must be approved by the list owner. > > You might have asked to subscribe or unsubscribe an address > other than > the one that appears in the headers of your mail > message. Anybody can spoof headers pretty easily. I could make this look like it came from Sue Blake or Tim Gerchmez, for example, if I wanted to through gasoline on a flame war [g,d,rlh] ... ---- Angus Scott-Fleming, GeoApplications angussf@geoapps.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 30 18:59:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27500 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:59:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27464 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:58:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uusite!ANGUSSF@baygull.rtd.com) Received: from uusite.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) with UUCP id SAA28328 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:58:22 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199807010158.SAA28328@baygull.rtd.com> Received: by sf.geoapps.com (MG PM3-Waf 3.42D); Tue, 30 Jun 98 18:51:10 -0700 (MST) From: "Angus Scott-Fleming" Organization: GeoApps To: Malartre Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:32:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FW: No more on the topic of personal Emails, I promise... Reply-to: angussf@geoapps.com CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <3597F619.4C82C04A@aei.ca> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 29 Jun 98 at 16:16, Malartre wrote: > ********** > Subject: > Date:Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:57:32 -0400 > From:Malartre > To:majordomo@freebsd.org > unsubscribe freebsd-stable malartre@aei.ca > ********** > Subject:Majordomo results > Date:Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:00:39 -0700 (PDT) > From:Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG > To:malartre@aei.ca > > >>>> unsubscribe freebsd-stable malartre@aei.ca > Succeeded. > ********** > That sucks. It was a test to see how the unsubscribe work. All > people can unsubscribe me(or anyother) from any list. This is > playing with fire. I could unsubscribe everyone on this list. > -- [Malartre] I'm pretty sure it succeeded because your FROM: header matched the address you were unsubscribing. ---- Angus Scott-Fleming, GeoApplications angussf@geoapps.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 30 20:16:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA08559 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:16:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA08503 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:16:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon_v_mendoza@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19980701031802.1754.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [200.44.4.174] by send1c; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:18:02 PDT Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:18:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Simon Mendoza Subject: Re: Undesired Personal Email Rejected. To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ---Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > > Greetings - > > This is a form letter set to be sent whenever I receive a message from you. > I'd like to remind you that I'd prefer not to receive personal messages > from you in my mailbox. Your message has been deleted unread automatically > by my filters, and this letter has been mailed to you. It will be sent > any time I receive a personal Email from you. > > Please try to remember next time not to send Email to my personal mailbox. > Your compliance is greatly appreciated. > > Sincerely, > > Tim > fewtch@serv.net > Do as you please, every time I read my mail from the list and see a message on the list where it happens to be your name, I will automatically delete it, as far as I'm concerned there's no need for me to read any of your ideas or comments on any subject I might be interested in. There isn't anything personal about this reply, 'cause to me you happen to be just a name, nothing more, just like a number in a survey. greetings back Simon. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 30 20:21:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA09532 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:21:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA09518 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:21:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon_v_mendoza@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19980701032044.1855.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [200.44.4.174] by send1b; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:20:44 PDT Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:20:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Simon Mendoza Subject: Congratulations!!! To: "Maximiliano A. Eschoyez" , Tim Parkinson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You got to the quarter finals after a very hard and tied game with the English, congratulations to all of you in Argentina. Besides, keep up the good work. greetings Simon. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 1 06:51:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA18870 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:51:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.dod.niss.gov.ua ([194.93.188.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA18844; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:51:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vova@relay.dod.niss.gov.ua) Received: from localhost (vova@localhost) by relay.dod.niss.gov.ua (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA00456; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:51:41 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from vova@relay.dod.niss.gov.ua) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:51:40 +0300 (EEST) From: "Vladimir V. Tkatchenko" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: sio0&sio1 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! Are anybody tell me or help in such question. Our organization puts a new PC Pentium-166MMX (motherboard with TX Chipset which is called KM-T5-T1). Problem in this machines bigan when I installing FreeBSD 2.2.5 or 2.2.6. During the bootstrap process Free tells that sio0 and sio1 not found at its IRQ3 and 4. Thus serial ports not available on this computer which must be router! Its bad. But BIOS settings are right and when we working with other system such as Linux and Windows95 all serial ports working correctly. If you have any suggestions for that problem please answer. Thank you beforehand. Vladimir V.Tkatchenko admin@dod.niss.gov.ua To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 1 07:08:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA20931 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:08:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA20918 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:08:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (kaput@[206.123.6.91]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA11049; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3599C466.5715F8E0@aei.ca> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 01:08:54 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fewtch@serv.net CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Undesired Personal Email Rejected. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > Greetings - > > This is a form letter set to be sent whenever I receive a message from you. > I'd like to remind you that I'd prefer not to receive personal messages > from you in my mailbox. Your message has been deleted unread automatically > by my filters, and this letter has been mailed to you. It will be sent > any time I receive a personal Email from you. > > Please try to remember next time not to send Email to my personal mailbox. > Your compliance is greatly appreciated. > > Sincerely, > > Tim > fewtch@serv.net Please try to remember next time not to send that letter (Undesired Personal Email Rejected) to my personnal mailbox or on this list. Sincerely, -- [Malartre] [malartre@aei.ca][ICQ#4224434][www.aei.ca/~malartre/][www.FreeBSD.ORG] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 1 09:27:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07698 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:27:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07675 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:27:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ABAMFICI@aol.com) From: ABAMFICI@aol.com Received: from ABAMFICI@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id HAZFa20768 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3df195b8.359a6341@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:26:38 EDT To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Undesired Personal Email Rejected. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Guys(and girls), grow up. ~Kevin :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 1 09:57:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA12067 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:57:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12061 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:57:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from localhost.net (dialup433.serv.net [207.207.70.34]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11394 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 09:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: fewtch@serv.net From: Tim Gerchmez To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Solved problem with "sender" field... Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, Well, I solved my problem with the "Sender" field of my email going out as "root@serv.net" (serv.net is my ISP, and I'm certainly not root there). What I did was set my hostname to "localhost" in rc.conf, and used the -alias switch when starting PPP, as so: ppp -alias -auto pmdemand That cleared up the problem, and now the "Sender" field is appearing as "root@localhost.net" which is much more acceptable. I wouldn't want anyone to mistake me for my ISP's sysadmin . Tim ---------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: Tim Gerchmez Date: 01-Jul-98 Time: 09:55:22 This message was sent by XFMail under Fvwm2 and FREEBSD. My personal website is at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html Take a look if you have the time - something for everyone there. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 1 10:03:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13241 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:03:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13204 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:03:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from localhost.net (dialup433.serv.net [207.207.70.34]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11939; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: fewtch@serv.net From: Tim Gerchmez To: Haavard Vaagstoel , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Undesired Personal Email Rejected. Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org *Sigh*... OK, filter changed to simply discard any Email with her address in the "From" field. Now can we PLEASE f*cking discuss FreeBSD newbie related topics? I'm so tired of this topic I could scream. > Are we to assume that this goes for *all* participants of freebsd-newbies? > Since you did not specify e.g. Sue Blake in your post? > > Please remember that by sending such a message, you bog down the speed and > quality of the list for a large number of people that have nothing what so > ever to do with your "battle". > > Furthermore, this message has nothing to do on the list. If you've got > something to say to Sue, and it is not of any value to the rest of us > (like this message), keep it private. > > -- > Haavard Vaagstoel ---------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: Tim Gerchmez Date: 01-Jul-98 Time: 10:01:10 This message was sent by XFMail under Fvwm2 and FREEBSD. My personal website is at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html Take a look if you have the time - something for everyone there. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 1 12:41:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08703 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:41:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kirk.NetUnlimited.net (root@Kirk.netunlimited.net [208.128.132.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08690 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:41:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brownicm@netunlimited.net) Received: from netunlimited.net (Saavik-28.netunlimited.net [208.128.132.168]) by Kirk.NetUnlimited.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA17848; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359A911F.CD72681F@netunlimited.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:42:24 -0400 From: Chris Browning X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: newbie , tim.parkinson@ccr.ntu.ac.uk Subject: Re: What do people on the list use FreeBSD for? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm switching carrers at 42 from professional chef to programmer. Restaurants not very family-friendly. My wife does Novell/NT/Win programming/sysadmin and she said I was a smart fella, I oughta try it. Did the quickie two-year curriculum. Lots of Windows-Visual Basic and whatnot. COBOL fer cryin' out loud. C++, ouch- a real language for a change. IBM assembly language, which I liked. RPG on an AS/400--never, ever, ever as long as I live; I'll go back to cooking first. And one lonely little course in UNIX. I was hooked. Jeez, DOS with teeth. The instructor was this ancient retired AT&T guy who'd been doing it since the mid-70's. I've had one box or another running freebsd for a couple years, but no time. Taught myself Visual FoxPro for my senior project, which I just finished. I don't have to go back to work till this fall so I'm furiously doing all the UNIX and C I can. I'll do FoxPro if I absolutely have to but people in the business tell me that given the labor market in this area (North Carolina US), even a greenhorn like me can just about pick the shop I want. It most likely won't be a FreeBSD shop but it will be a UNIX shop. Even if it's Y2K to start. I'm never going back. UNIX is too cool. Anyone who wants to do that M$ API black-box .dll who-knows-what's-in-there stuff is welcome to it. No thanks. And I look forward to the day when I may be able to contribute to the FreeBSD project. I owe the folks who have brought it this far. Thanks. Pardon my soapbox. And, newbie that I am, if I ever send someone undesired personal email, I hope they will let me know how I screwed up and how to fix it so it never, ever happens again. Now I'm terrified. Chris Browning brownicm@netunlimited.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 1 13:02:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11797 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:02:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11783 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:02:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (aeiusrI-10.aei.ca [206.186.205.160]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05912; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359A94F8.AB3A7F4@aei.ca> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:58:48 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: angussf@geoapps.com CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FW: No more on the topic of personal Emails, I promise... References: <199807010158.SAA28328@baygull.rtd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Angus Scott-Fleming wrote: > > On 29 Jun 98 at 16:16, Malartre wrote: > > > ********** > > Subject: > > Date:Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:57:32 -0400 > > From:Malartre > > To:majordomo@freebsd.org > > unsubscribe freebsd-stable malartre@aei.ca > > ********** > > Subject:Majordomo results > > Date:Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:00:39 -0700 (PDT) > > From:Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG > > To:malartre@aei.ca > > > > >>>> unsubscribe freebsd-stable malartre@aei.ca > > Succeeded. > > ********** > > That sucks. It was a test to see how the unsubscribe work. All > > people can unsubscribe me(or anyother) from any list. This is > > playing with fire. I could unsubscribe everyone on this list. > > -- [Malartre] > > I'm pretty sure it succeeded because your FROM: header matched > the address you were unsubscribing. > > ---- > Angus Scott-Fleming, GeoApplications > angussf@geoapps.com I can change my from header to your from header I think. no? -- [Malartre] [malartre@aei.ca][ICQ#4224434][www.aei.ca/~malartre/][www.FreeBSD.ORG] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 1 13:04:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12235 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:04:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12224 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:04:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (aeiusrI-10.aei.ca [206.186.205.160]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06230; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359A958E.120DE5C1@aei.ca> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 16:01:18 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fewtch@serv.net CC: Haavard Vaagstoel , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Undesired Personal Email Rejected. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > *Sigh*... OK, filter changed to simply discard any Email with her address in > the "From" field. Now can we PLEASE f*cking discuss FreeBSD newbie > related topics? I'm so tired of this topic I could scream. It's you who always talk about that topic. ha-ha-ha. -- [Malartre] [malartre@aei.ca][ICQ#4224434][www.aei.ca/~malartre/][www.FreeBSD.ORG] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 1 13:09:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12719 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:09:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from info1.info.tampere.fi (root@info1.info.tampere.fi [212.63.6.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12714 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:09:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juksi@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com (pc043.soitto.info.tampere.fi [194.188.215.43]) by info1.info.tampere.fi (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA11926 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:12:26 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <359A97BB.419454B7@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 23:10:35 +0300 From: "Jukka Similä" Reply-To: lmkjuksi@info1.info.tampere.fi X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ok, i admit it.. unsubscribing sucks.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well well.. very funny.. i was unsubscribed from the list.. Luckily I subscribed it to my hotmail so i didn't miss anything.. i think.. I assume it wasn't a owner or something who unsubscribed me because of two emailaddresses set for freebsd-newbies and playing with them.. i guess i would have been notified if that would been the case.. but no, the mail just stopped to come in.. and if someone unsubscribed me because of that unsubscription i did from my hotmail address, then i unsubscribed myself without a permission . well, anyway i got the point , one can be very easily unsubscribed from the list without permission to do it. but, it would be quite stupid to unsubscribe everybody and then send mail witch nobody can see.. well, enough about it. something newbies-related too to this one: i tried to edit a mail header myself too, but couldn't figure it out.. gotta find some info about it before re-trying. And with my equipment(I was in w95 when i tried it) no hope. PS. how many times you can find word 'subscribe' (unsubscribe included) from this message? Guess and Win! Cool Prizez! T-Shirts, Caps, Cd:s, Magazines, Paintings, Computers, Monitors, Floppies, TV:s, Phones, Mouses, Rats, MobilePhones, SunGlasses, Pencils, Cars, Curtains, Instruments, Stereos, Soccer tickets from black market.. . . . :) Jukka Simila To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 1 14:48:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28695 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:48:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.dk [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28574; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:47:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@tetard.glou.eu.org) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.254]) by mail.ftf.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8/gw-ftf-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA18305; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:47:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from regnauld@tetard.glou.eu.org) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host [192.168.100.254] claimed to be mail.prosa.dk Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.8/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA05473; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:46:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.8/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with UUCP id XAA29737; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:47:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tetard.glou.eu.org (tetard [192.168.1.1]) by shiva.glou.eu.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA03207; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:37:19 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from regnauld@tetard.glou.eu.org) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by tetard.glou.eu.org (8.8.8/8.7.3/tetard-uucp-2.7) id XAA14607; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:38:57 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980701233857.32018@tetard.glou.eu.org> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:38:57 +0200 From: Philippe Regnauld To: "Vladimir V. Tkatchenko" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sio0&sio1 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Main Body X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: ; from Vladimir V. Tkatchenko on Wed, Jul 01, 1998 at 04:51:40PM +0300 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Vladimir V. Tkatchenko (vova) écrit/writes: > Hello! > Are anybody tell me or help in such question. Our organization puts a new > PC Pentium-166MMX (motherboard with TX Chipset which is called > KM-T5-T1). Problem in this machines bigan when I installing FreeBSD 2.2.5 > or 2.2.6. During the bootstrap process Free tells that sio0 and sio1 not > found at its IRQ3 and 4. Thus serial ports not available on this computer Probably same problem as Iwill motherboards. Check http://www.lemis.com/serial-port-patch.html -- -- Phil -[ Philippe Regnauld / regnauld@eu.org / +55.4N +11.3E @ Sol3 / +45 33241690 ]- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 1 16:12:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12188 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:12:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tor.shaw.wave.ca (beef@h24-64-141-116.mt.wave.shaw.ca [24.64.141.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12124 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:12:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from beef@tor.shaw.wave.ca) Received: (from beef@localhost) by tor.shaw.wave.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA00672; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:10:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from beef) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 19:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: purebeef@shaw.wave.ca Organization: York Hill Foods From: purebeef@shaw.wave.ca To: Tim Gerchmez Subject: Re: Undesired Personal Email Rejected. Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, Haavard Vaagstoel Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 01-Jul-98 Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > *Sigh*... OK, filter changed to simply discard any Email with her address in > the "From" field. Now can we PLEASE f*cking discuss FreeBSD newbie > related topics? I'm so tired of this topic I could scream. > > >> Are we to assume that this goes for *all* participants of freebsd-newbies? >> Since you did not specify e.g. Sue Blake in your post? >> >> Please remember that by sending such a message, you bog down the speed and >> quality of the list for a large number of people that have nothing what so >> ever to do with your "battle". >> >> Furthermore, this message has nothing to do on the list. If you've got >> something to say to Sue, and it is not of any value to the rest of us >> (like this message), keep it private. >> >> -- >> Haavard Vaagstoel > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > E-Mail: Tim Gerchmez > Date: 01-Jul-98 > Time: 10:01:10 > > This message was sent by XFMail under Fvwm2 and FREEBSD. > My personal website is at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html > Take a look if you have the time - something for everyone there. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message Hi, May I suggest not reading the threads of the mail that pisses you off. :-) Heh, I wish sometimes I could get answers to some of my lame questions Lanny ---------------------------------- E-Mail: purebeef@shaw.wave.ca Date: 01-Jul-98 Time: 19:09:54 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 1 16:13:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12583 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:13:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12546; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:13:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id IAA13088; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:42:48 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980702084248.M10452@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:42:48 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Philippe Regnauld , "Vladimir V. Tkatchenko" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sio0&sio1 References: <19980701233857.32018@tetard.glou.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19980701233857.32018@tetard.glou.eu.org>; from Philippe Regnauld on Wed, Jul 01, 1998 at 11:38:57PM +0200 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 1 July 1998 at 23:38:57 +0200, Philippe Regnauld wrote: > Vladimir V. Tkatchenko (vova) écrit/writes: >> Hello! >> Are anybody tell me or help in such question. Our organization puts a new >> PC Pentium-166MMX (motherboard with TX Chipset which is called >> KM-T5-T1). Problem in this machines bigan when I installing FreeBSD 2.2.5 >> or 2.2.6. During the bootstrap process Free tells that sio0 and sio1 not >> found at its IRQ3 and 4. Thus serial ports not available on this computer > > Probably same problem as Iwill motherboards. Check > http://www.lemis.com/serial-port-patch.html I'd assume so. Note that the problem has been fixed in -stable and -current (as the web page now indicates). Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 1 17:20:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA22311 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:20:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA22211 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoapps!angussf@baygull.rtd.com) Received: from geoapps.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) with UUCP id RAA16565 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:19:49 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199807020019.RAA16565@baygull.rtd.com> Received: by geoapps.com (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Wed, 01 Jul 98 17:05:41 7 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Angus Scott-Fleming" X-Organization: GeoApplications, Tucson, Arizona To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:03:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: majordomo is ok, don't blame it.. Reply-to: angussf@geoapps.com In-reply-to: <199807010157.SAA28321@baygull.rtd.com> References: <3598D6D5.B4A51A27@info1.info.tampere.fi> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 30 Jun 98 at 18:26, Angus Scott-Fleming disguised as Sue Blake wrote: > Anybody can spoof headers pretty easily. I could make this look > like it came from Sue Blake or Tim Gerchmez, for example, if I > wanted to through gasoline on a flame war [g,d,rlh] ... I can't believe I spelled "throw" as "through" .... must have been at the end of a _very_ long day. -------------------------------------------------------------- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApplications, Tucson, Arizona USA angussf@geoapps.com 1-520-323-9170 / fax 1-520-327-7752 -------------------------------------------------------------- Using Pegasus Mail, PM-Burst, Waffle, and WafPeg -------------------------------------------------------------- If you are having trouble keeping your head above water, you probably aren't on your toes. -Liguorian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 1 19:26:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13402 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:26:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13392 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:26:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from localhost.net (dialup620.serv.net [207.207.65.20]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA15356; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199806291313.GAA07384@baygull.rtd.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 19:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: fewtch@serv.net From: Tim Gerchmez To: Angus Scott-Fleming Subject: Re: The average Unix user Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Or perhaps "the only thing I gnu about eunuchs," if you want to get technical ;-) On 29-Jun-98 Angus Scott-Fleming wrote: > On 27 Jun 98 at 23:37, Aaron Walker wrote: > >> Before a year ago, the only thing I new about UNIX was how to spell > > That should read "the only thing I gnu about Unix..." ---------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: Tim Gerchmez Date: 01-Jul-98 Time: 19:24:47 This message was sent by XFMail under Fvwm2 and FREEBSD. My personal website is at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html Take a look if you have the time - something for everyone there. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 1 19:27:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13434 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:27:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13421 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:26:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from localhost.net (dialup620.serv.net [207.207.65.20]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA15376; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 19:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: fewtch@serv.net From: Tim Gerchmez To: Rainer M Duffner Subject: Re: Installing via FTP Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, Kronos80@aol.com Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sure - I downloaded FreeBSD 2.2.6 (the entire release, minus some of the packages, which aren't part of the main release anyway) over a 28.8 modem, most of the time connected at 24,000. It took about a day or a day and a half to get all the required files (modern OS's do multitask, so what's wrong with downloading in the background, and leaving your computer downloading when you're sleeping?) It was just a matter of patience and waiting, and cheaper than buying the CD-ROM. Once the main release was up and running, I could add any packages/other software via modem as well (and unlike a CD-ROM, the latest releases are available online via the web page and FTP (CDROM software gets stale fast)). So, if you have the patience, installing over FTP, or at least *downloading* and installing from a DOS partition is a viable alternative at modem/ISDN speeds, unless you have no patience and *have to have it now* (or if you pay by the hour for your Internet connection - most people I know pay flat rates, including AOL users). On 29-Jun-98 Rainer M Duffner wrote: > Also, I'd question if it is really convenient to install over AOL, even > is it work. It's great if you have a 2MBit line and the mirror is > somewhere on the same WAN, but over modem/ISDN ? ? ? > > (Somebody proof me wrong). > > cheers, > Rainer ---------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: Tim Gerchmez Date: 01-Jul-98 Time: 19:17:25 This message was sent by XFMail under Fvwm2 and FREEBSD. My personal website is at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html Take a look if you have the time - something for everyone there. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 1 21:31:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA29098 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:31:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29073 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:31:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uusite!ANGUSSF@baygull.rtd.com) Received: from uusite.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) with UUCP id VAA26723 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:30:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199807020430.VAA26723@baygull.rtd.com> Received: by sf.geoapps.com (MG PM3-Waf 3.42D); Wed, 1 Jul 98 20:36:46 -0700 (MST) From: "Angus Scott-Fleming" Organization: GeoApps To: Malartre Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:50:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FW: No more on the topic of personal Emails, I promise... Reply-to: angussf@geoapps.com CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <359A94F8.AB3A7F4@aei.ca> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1 Jul 98 at 15:58, Malartre wrote: > Angus Scott-Fleming wrote: > > > > On 29 Jun 98 at 16:16, Malartre wrote: > > > > > ********** > > > Subject: > > > Date:Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:57:32 -0400 > > > From:Malartre > > > To:majordomo@freebsd.org > > > unsubscribe freebsd-stable malartre@aei.ca > > > ********** > > > Subject:Majordomo results > > > Date:Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:00:39 -0700 (PDT) > > > From:Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG > > > To:malartre@aei.ca > > > > > > >>>> unsubscribe freebsd-stable malartre@aei.ca > > > Succeeded. > > > ********** > > > That sucks. It was a test to see how the unsubscribe work. All > > > people can unsubscribe me(or anyother) from any list. This is > > > playing with fire. I could unsubscribe everyone on this list. > > > -- [Malartre] > > > > I'm pretty sure it succeeded because your FROM: header matched > > the address you were unsubscribing. > > > > ---- > > Angus Scott-Fleming, GeoApplications > > angussf@geoapps.com > I can change my from header to your from header I think. > no? Absolutely. I already did it once to the list in a related thread (sent a message as someone else, but I _did_ leave my own Org. and signed the message as myself). AFAIK nobody has called me on it (yet?) ... we could certainly start some flame wars doing this, couldn't we .... or someone could unsubscribe some of the low signal-to-noise folks ... ---- Angus Scott-Fleming, GeoApplications angussf@geoapps.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 2 08:51:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA14798 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:51:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA14734 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:51:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from localhost.net (dialup640.serv.net [207.207.65.40]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA01940 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 08:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: fewtch@serv.net From: Tim Gerchmez To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: We be learning... rc.local... Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Finally learned about /etc/rc.local this morning, and took the PPP command (started as a daemon with -auto pmdemand) out of /root/.login and put it into rc.local where it belongs. That's one thing I love about BSD, you literally learn something new every day :-) Tim ---------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: Tim Gerchmez Date: 02-Jul-98 Time: 08:49:01 This message was sent by XFMail under Fvwm2 and FREEBSD. My personal website is at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html Take a look if you have the time - something for everyone there. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 2 11:49:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16814 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:49:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zeus.netdirect.net.uk (zeus.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16760 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:49:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ian.ofriel@ndirect.co.uk) Received: from default (th-pm00-10.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.225.10]) by zeus.netdirect.net.uk (8.8.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA29430 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:49:42 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01bda5ea$06103e20$0ae107c3@default> Reply-To: "Ian O'Friel" From: "Ian O'Friel" To: Subject: I will sort out the Majordomo arguement........ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:59:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It IS possible to unsubscribe another subscriber on FreeBSD and If you want proof, just go ahead and challenge me......... Firstly, open up a telnet connection on ANY mail server as long as you remember to telnet to port 25 (SMTP). Type 'HELO ' type 'mail FROM: type 'rcpt TO: type 'data' type 'unsubscribe freebsd-' type '.' (a single full stop to signal End of Data) There you go, you have happily unsubscribed someone from a FreeBSD list...... Here is an example in case you are still bewildered...... helo my.domain.com mail FROM: rcpt TO: data unsubscribe freebsd-newbies unsubscribe freebsd-questions unsubscribe freebsd-stable . I would now have unsubscribed Tim from the above lists. One Warning though, learn to type without using the backspace key, so no mistakes allowed, If you hit the Backspace key the SMTP port will probably reject the command unless it is in the data segment, in which case it will send a strange character and Majordomo will ignore it........ I have never unsubscribed anyone on the Freebsd lists but I have done it to others on other lists, don't doubt that this works, it does, and like I said, if you don't believe me, Challenge me......... Ian O'Friel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 2 12:24:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22467 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:24:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from digital.horizons.net (digital.horizons.net [208.197.220.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22462 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:24:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) From: fewtch@serv.net Received: from www.crapdomain.com.sex ([195.7.225.215]) by digital.horizons.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 306 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:24:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:24:09 -0400 Message-ID: <19980702192159356.AAA254.306@www.crapdomain.com.sex> To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm tTim, or atleast you think I am Tim..... I am really the bunghole king...... eat me if you can... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 2 12:39:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24151 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:39:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zeus.netdirect.net.uk (zeus.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24144 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:39:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ian.ofriel@ndirect.co.uk) Received: from default (th-pm00-36.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.225.36]) by zeus.netdirect.net.uk (8.8.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA31169 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:40:03 +0100 Message-ID: <010c01bda5f1$0ea15f40$0ae107c3@default> Reply-To: "Ian O'Friel" From: "Ian O'Friel" To: Subject: One last time...... Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:15:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK, I admit it, I unsubscribed Tim gerchmez because I think he is an ignorant big headed prick, Imagine threatening to go to someone ISP because they sent you a mail....... Don't worry Sue, we all love you, not that Prick........ I'm sorry if this offends anyone but I just don't like Tim, he complains because someone tries to help him, he thinks he can answer every question but can't and he even sends messages to tell you that he hasn't read your mail...... What a W$£"er Well Tim, I guess you know who unsubscribed you and the reason why, I would also like to say, Tim Grow up....... If you decide you get a mail from someone you don't like then bin it..... Don't waste more bandwidth being childish, don't you think that the Internet is busy enough with everybody surfing the net, don't you think that you are completely wasting bandwidth sending a piddly little letter to anyone who annoys you ?? Also, one last point, do you realise how easy it would be for me to take advantage of your mail rejection to cause you severe annoyance, ie. I could send a mailbomb with spoofed headers noting you as the reply address but someone else as the sender, ie. your 'Filters' detect that it is someone you don't want to have a sensible conversation with, then send your stupid little message back to the reply-to address, therefore you also get double the mailbomb, ie. The mailbomb itself and the same amount of responses....... If even one of your stupid letters lands in my mail box then I could do this but I am not as childish as you and I would simply ditch it in my 'Deleted Items' folder........ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 2 13:08:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28473 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:08:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28454 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:08:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (kaput@pm04-01.aei.ca [206.123.6.176]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04237 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359BE7ED.18D77C19@aei.ca> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 16:05:01 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: The game is over =) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, no challenge, no more unsubscribing, no more bitching. This is a mailing list to learn freebsd and to talk about it. I bet it's only on newbies@freebsd.org there is so stupid things... Simply ignore the people you dont love. /dev/null -- [Malartre] [malartre@aei.ca][ICQ#4224434][www.aei.ca/~malartre/][www.FreeBSD.ORG] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 2 13:26:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01859 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:26:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01773 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:26:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from suleyman@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (suleyman@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA02187 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:26:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Seggerman To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: laptops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings fellow newbies: I have 2.2.5 on my new Toshiba Satellite laptop. The credit card modem does not work. It gets probed as zp which I read in Greg's book is an interface, not a device. I had hoped that reinstalling from scratch with the PAO-boot.flp would fix the problem. It said it was configuring the credit card modem, but User PPP can't find it. User ppp needs a device name, and the modem is plugged into an interface. I'm writing from Windows95 for the time being. This will undoubtedly require a kernel re-build. Anyway, I'm waiting for advise from the experts at freebsd-questions. I don't have room for X and emacs seems to want to use an X resourse, so I uninstalled it. I am getting by with pico and uemacs for the time being. Ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 2 13:30:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03251 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:30:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03041; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199807022030.NAA03041@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: I will sort out the Majordomo arguement........ In-Reply-To: <000a01bda5ea$06103e20$0ae107c3@default> from Ian O'Friel at "Jul 2, 98 11:59:42 am" To: genius@glasgow.crosswinds.net Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org this was forwarded to me by a concerned user. before last night this was true. last night i closed this hole, because someone abused it. now, whenever you want to unsubscribe, you will have to go through the same confirmation process you used when you subscribed. jmb Ian O'Friel wrote: > It IS possible to unsubscribe another subscriber on FreeBSD and If you want > proof, just go ahead and challenge me......... > > Firstly, open up a telnet connection on ANY mail server as long as you > remember to telnet to port 25 (SMTP). > > Type 'HELO ' > type 'mail FROM: > type 'rcpt TO: > type 'data' > type 'unsubscribe freebsd-' > type '.' (a single full stop to signal End of Data) > > There you go, you have happily unsubscribed someone from a FreeBSD > list...... Here is an example in case you are still bewildered...... > > helo my.domain.com > mail FROM: > rcpt TO: > data > unsubscribe freebsd-newbies > unsubscribe freebsd-questions > unsubscribe freebsd-stable > . > > I would now have unsubscribed Tim from the above lists. One Warning though, > learn to type without using the backspace key, so no mistakes allowed, If > you hit the Backspace key the SMTP port will probably reject the command > unless it is in the data segment, in which case it will send a strange > character and Majordomo will ignore it........ > > I have never unsubscribed anyone on the Freebsd lists but I have done it to > others on other lists, don't doubt that this works, it does, and like I > said, if you don't believe me, Challenge me......... > > Ian O'Friel > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 2 15:10:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18904 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18883 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:10:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA12058; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:10:40 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980703081036.21877@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:10:36 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Back to our seats Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hang on while I grab my high heels, spectacles and big stick... OK, forget the stick... all sitting down? Good. There are some standards of behaviour that we assume everyone will follow due to common sense, respect for other members of the group, and awareness of how long a bad reputation sticks in professional circles such as the FreeBSD community. These standards of behaviour might not have been so important among users of other systems, but here we take them very seriously indeed. Some of you who have dabbled elsewhere will find we're different. I am referring to activities which many would regard as illegal, immoral, or against all concepts of netiquette. If technology is abused to achieve these activities, the situation is doubly severe. Neither FreeBSD nor any of the mailing lists may be used for nasty work. Our community has *NO* tolerance for activities such as cracking, spamming, gross obscenity, or even discussion of methods that might be used for those purposes. For your own sake, when you see discussion of any related topics don't participate. If you use someone else's bad methods to stop them from doing bad, that makes you *worse* than them. It shows that you knew better, but went on and did it anyway. We're going to be around for a long time, though not always as newbies. It can be hard to see how bad a playful act might look to others. Think very carefully before damaging your own reputation or accidentally encouraging others to damage theirs. Sure, we're here to make our mistakes, learn and be forgiven. But geez, can't we be just a little more selective about who we listen to and which mistakes we make? -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 2 18:51:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16589 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:51:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panix2.panix.com (BtBS0z4lwD9HteQKB7J/jliK66NPguek@panix2.panix.com [166.84.1.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA16581 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:51:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmw@panix.com) Received: from localhost (jmw@localhost) by panix2.panix.com (8.8.5/8.8.8/PanixU1.4) with SMTP id VAA18158 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:51:18 -0400 (EDT) From: jmw To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Hello... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello FreeBSD users, Being that I've just subscribed to this list, I thought it right to post and say hi to everyone here, as well as post a short introduction. So, with that being said: Heya! And good to be here. :) The only real Unix exposure I've had up until recently was as a basic shell user on my providers system. Then I decided to take that step and install a current release of FreeBSD on my system here at home, in hopes that I could learn more about Unix in general. Well, it's been about a week since that plunge into the Unix world, and to say the least, it's about the most fun I've had with my PC in a _very_ long time! I'm sure most of you feel the same as well, otherwise we wouldn't be here to being with. :) At any rate, I look forward to participating in the discussions you have here. Take care, John Wilson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 3 00:11:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA29171 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:11:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paradox.cpt.tech.iafrica.com (paradox.cpt.tech.iafrica.com [196.31.1.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29142 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:10:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pbh@iafrica.com) Received: from localhost (pbh@localhost) by paradox.cpt.tech.iafrica.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA20754 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:10:20 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from pbh@iafrica.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:10:20 +0200 (SAST) From: Patrick Hyland To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Fake mail recieved from some idiot claiming to be Tim Gerchmez In-Reply-To: <19980702192159356.AAA254.306@www.crapdomain.com.sex> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Some moron sent me some fake mail under the impression he couldnt be traced. Little does he know that his mail contains a time stamp and a dynamic ip assigned by a terminal server belonging to a UK ISP called "Net Direct". If I wanted to I could forward this mail to abuse@ndirect.co.uk and they could easilly trace the user. Grow up son - email isnt as anonymous as you seem to think. ; <<>> DiG 2.2 <<>> any ndirect.co.uk ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch ;; got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 6 ;; flags: qr rd ra; Ques: 1, Ans: 2, Auth: 2, Addit: 2 ;; QUESTIONS: ;; ndirect.co.uk, type = ANY, class = IN ;; ANSWERS: ndirect.co.uk. 3631 NS ns1.ndirect.co.uk. ndirect.co.uk. 3631 NS ns2.ndirect.co.uk. ;; AUTHORITY RECORDS: ndirect.co.uk. 3631 NS ns1.ndirect.co.uk. ndirect.co.uk. 3631 NS ns2.ndirect.co.uk. ;; ADDITIONAL RECORDS: ns1.ndirect.co.uk. 13966 A 194.74.254.2 ns2.ndirect.co.uk. 3173 A 195.7.224.12 ;; Total query time: 6 msec ;; FROM: paradox.cpt.tech.iafrica.com to SERVER: default -- 196.7.0.138 ;; WHEN: Fri Jul 3 09:05:15 1998 ;; MSG SIZE sent: 31 rcvd: 127 Server: cache01.ns.iafrica.com Address: 196.7.0.138 Name: th-pm02-23.ndirect.co.uk Address: 195.7.225.215 This appears to be a dynamically assigned ip on a livingstone portmaster : th-pm02.netdirect.net.uk [pbh@paradox] ~ $ telnet th-pm02.ndirect.co.uk Trying 195.7.224.14... Connected to th-pm02.netdirect.net.uk. Escape character is '^]'. ComOS - Livingston PortMaster login: Guess I ate you ? Patrick On Thu, 2 Jul 1998 fewtch@serv.net wrote: > Received: from relay01.iafrica.com (relay01.iafrica.com [196.7.0.160]) > by paradox.cpt.tech.iafrica.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA19015 > for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:02:50 +0200 (SAST) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org) > Received: from (hub.freebsd.org) [204.216.27.18] > by relay01.iafrica.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yrsNL-0001PC-00; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:02:48 +0200 > Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA22502; > Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:24:49 -0700 (PDT) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies) > Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:24:40 -0700 > Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22467 > for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:24:40 -0700 (PDT) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) > Received: from digital.horizons.net (digital.horizons.net [208.197.220.2]) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22462 > for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:24:37 -0700 (PDT) > (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) > From: fewtch@serv.net > Received: from www.crapdomain.com.sex ([195.7.225.215]) > by digital.horizons.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) > with ESMTP id 306 for ; > Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:24:09 -0400 > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:24:09 -0400 > Message-ID: <19980702192159356.AAA254.306@www.crapdomain.com.sex> > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Hi, I'm tTim, or atleast you think I am Tim..... I am really the bunghole king...... > eat me if you can... > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 3 00:28:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01642 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:28:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paradox.cpt.tech.iafrica.com (paradox.cpt.tech.iafrica.com [196.31.1.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01619 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:28:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pbh@iafrica.com) Received: from localhost (pbh@localhost) by paradox.cpt.tech.iafrica.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA20904; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:28:42 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from pbh@iafrica.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:28:42 +0200 (SAST) From: Patrick Hyland To: jmw cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hello... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, jmw wrote: > Heya! And good to be here. :) > > The only real Unix exposure I've had up until recently was as a basic > shell user on my providers system. Then I decided to take that step and > install a current release of FreeBSD on my system here at home, in hopes > that I could learn more about Unix in general. Well, it's been about a > week since that plunge into the Unix world, and to say the least, it's > about the most fun I've had with my PC in a _very_ long time! I'm sure > most of you feel the same as well, otherwise we wouldn't be here to being > with. :) > > At any rate, I look forward to participating in the discussions you have > here. > > Take care, > John Wilson Great John. Nice to have you on board. Heres to learning new things :-) Patrick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 3 00:30:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA02065 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:30:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paradox.cpt.tech.iafrica.com (paradox.cpt.tech.iafrica.com [196.31.1.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01272 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:25:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pbh@iafrica.com) Received: from localhost (pbh@localhost) by paradox.cpt.tech.iafrica.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA20875; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:24:28 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from pbh@iafrica.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:24:28 +0200 (SAST) From: Patrick Hyland To: "Ian O'Friel" cc: Freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I will sort out the Majordomo arguement........ In-Reply-To: <000a01bda5ea$06103e20$0ae107c3@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ian, I suspect you have been sending fake mail as Tim Gerchmez. See my previous mail to free-bsdnewbies. I assume he will be understandbly upset. Faking mail through an SMTP connection is nothing new, but you are wrong to think you can get away with it, except if your mail is to be recieved by mail ignorant people who can always send the headers on to more knowledgeable people. This is a good trick to know, but know this. The use of fake mail for malicious purpose is not only unethical. Its stupid. Why is it stupid? Because its not anonymous. Hoping you'll wisen up Patrick On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Ian O'Friel wrote: > > It IS possible to unsubscribe another subscriber on FreeBSD and If you want > proof, just go ahead and challenge me......... > > Firstly, open up a telnet connection on ANY mail server as long as you > remember to telnet to port 25 (SMTP). > > Type 'HELO ' > type 'mail FROM: > type 'rcpt TO: > type 'data' > type 'unsubscribe freebsd-' > type '.' (a single full stop to signal End of Data) > > There you go, you have happily unsubscribed someone from a FreeBSD > list...... Here is an example in case you are still bewildered...... > > helo my.domain.com > mail FROM: > rcpt TO: > data > unsubscribe freebsd-newbies > unsubscribe freebsd-questions > unsubscribe freebsd-stable > . > > I would now have unsubscribed Tim from the above lists. One Warning though, > learn to type without using the backspace key, so no mistakes allowed, If > you hit the Backspace key the SMTP port will probably reject the command > unless it is in the data segment, in which case it will send a strange > character and Majordomo will ignore it........ > > I have never unsubscribed anyone on the Freebsd lists but I have done it to > others on other lists, don't doubt that this works, it does, and like I > said, if you don't believe me, Challenge me......... > > Ian O'Friel > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 3 02:04:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA15983 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:04:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vanessa.eliuk.org (pme60.sunshine.net [209.17.178.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA15941 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:03:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevin_eliuk@sunshine.net) Received: from localhost (cagey@localhost) by vanessa.eliuk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA00408; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:03:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cagey@vanessa.eliuk.org) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:03:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kevin G. Eliuk" Reply-To: "Kevin G. Eliuk" To: Patrick Hyland cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, postmaster@ndirect.co.uk, support@netdirect.net.uk Subject: Re: Fake mail recieved from some idiot claiming to be Tim Gerchmez In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Patrick Hyland wrote: => => Some moron sent me some fake mail under the impression he couldnt be traced. => Little does he know that his mail contains a time stamp and a dynamic ip => assigned by a terminal server belonging to a UK ISP called "Net Direct". => => If I wanted to I could forward this mail to abuse@ndirect.co.uk and they => could easilly trace the user. Grow up son - email isnt as anonymous as you => seem to think. Already done, although ndirect doesn't seem to have an 'abuse' alias so I simply replied to 'postmaster'. Could not find any reference administrative contact at ndirect. This was from an earlier post that came through newbies. -- >From cagey@vanessa.eliuk.org Fri Jul 3 01:37:27 1998 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:51:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kevin G. Eliuk" Reply-To: "Kevin G. Eliuk" To: postmaster@ndirect.co.uk, abuse@ndirect.co.uk Cc: postmaster@inter-s.co.uk, abuse@inter-s.co.uk Subject: Forwarded mail.... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Spam has been on the rise again. I hope this is of use for you to send a message to your users. Regards, Discover Rock Solid Kevin G. Eliuk Discover FreeBSD http://www.FreeBSD.Org --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==----==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- All of my opinions are my own and in no way reflect those of my employers, past, present, or future, either real or imagined. --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Received: from vanessa.eliuk.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vanessa.eliuk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19553 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:05:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sunshine.net by vanessa.eliuk.org (fetchmail-4.3.8 POP3) for (single-drop); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:05:22 PDT Received: from hub.freebsd.org (204.216.27.18) by sunshine.net with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2a2); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:18:42 -0700 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA09404; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 09:24:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 09:23:41 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09294 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 09:23:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from server1.inter-s.co.uk ([194.73.61.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09285 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 09:23:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from The.Fuck.Meister@server1.inter-s.co.uk) From: The.Fuck.Meister@server1.inter-s.co.uk Received: from www.freebsd.org (th-pm01-00.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.225.64]) by server1.inter-s.co.uk (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with SMTP id 205 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:20:04 +0100 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:20:04 +0100 Message-ID: <19980628161609254.AAC89.205@www.freebsd.org> To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Right everyone, who can trace this mail ??? Give you a hint, It was me ?!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- => On Thu, 2 Jul 1998 fewtch@serv.net wrote: => => > Received: from relay01.iafrica.com (relay01.iafrica.com [196.7.0.160]) => > by paradox.cpt.tech.iafrica.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA19015 => > for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:02:50 +0200 (SAST) => > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org) => > Received: from (hub.freebsd.org) [204.216.27.18] => > by relay01.iafrica.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) => > id 0yrsNL-0001PC-00; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:02:48 +0200 => > Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) => > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA22502; => > Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:24:49 -0700 (PDT) => > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies) => > Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:24:40 -0700 => > Received: (from majordom@localhost) => > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22467 => > for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:24:40 -0700 (PDT) => > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) => > Received: from digital.horizons.net (digital.horizons.net [208.197.220.2]) => > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22462 => > for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:24:37 -0700 (PDT) => > (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) => > From: fewtch@serv.net => > Received: from www.crapdomain.com.sex ([195.7.225.215]) => > by digital.horizons.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) => > with ESMTP id 306 for ; => > Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:24:09 -0400 => > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:24:09 -0400 => > Message-ID: <19980702192159356.AAA254.306@www.crapdomain.com.sex> => > To: undisclosed-recipients:; => > Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org => > X-Loop: FreeBSD.org => > => > Hi, I'm tTim, or atleast you think I am Tim..... I am really the bunghole king...... => > eat me if you can... => > I don't want to see any lists here turn into a testing ground for smart asses that should not have internet access in the first place. Of course for all we know he might not be using his(I assume) own any way. Regards, Discover Rock Solid Kevin G. Eliuk Discover FreeBSD http://www.FreeBSD.Org --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==----==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- All of my opinions are my own and in no way reflect those of my employers, past, present, or future, either real or imagined. --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 3 03:05:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA27563 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:05:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA27546; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:05:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id TAA02102; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 19:35:35 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980703193535.L358@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 19:35:35 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Patrick Hyland , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fake mail recieved from some idiot claiming to be Tim Gerchmez References: <19980702192159356.AAA254.306@www.crapdomain.com.sex> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Patrick Hyland on Fri, Jul 03, 1998 at 09:10:20AM +0200 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 3 July 1998 at 9:10:20 +0200, Patrick Hyland wrote: > > Some moron sent me some fake mail under the impression he couldnt be traced. > Little does he know that his mail contains a time stamp and a dynamic ip > assigned by a terminal server belonging to a UK ISP called "Net Direct". Yes, Patrick, you're right, and we've already cautioned the person in question. But this whole thread is off-topic. How about dropping it altogether? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 3 05:09:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18279 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 05:09:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mrelay.jrc.it (mrelay.jrc.it [139.191.1.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18265; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 05:09:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nick.hibma@jrc.it) Received: from elect8 (elect8.jrc.it [139.191.71.152]) by mrelay.jrc.it (LMC5688) with SMTP id OAA00078; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 14:09:16 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 14:02:02 +0200 (MET DST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@elect8 Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PKGINFO statistics Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In short, it would be appreciated if you could execute the command below on your FreeBSD box. It is harmless. /usr/sbin/pkg_info -aI | \ /usr/bin/mail -s "PKGINFO `hostname`" \ nick.hibma@jrc.it (this command should be all on one line, like: /usr/bin/pkg_info -aI | mail -s "PKGINFO `hostname`" nick.hibma@jrc.it The `hostname` in the subject is there to be able to filter out duplicates but is not required at all, in case you want to send it anonymously. It sends me a list of all the packages you have installed on the machine you execute the command on. Reason to do this: In a discussion the idea came up to see if profiles for the usage of packages could be found. If a large number of these pkg_info lists are retrieved we can try to find relations between each two installed packages. This could be used to offer predefined profiles to the user when installing packages. This avoids the user to having to wade through the entire list of packages when deciding what to install. The directory structure present in the /usr/ports directory already provides a means to do this but this could be improved upon. See for a more elaborate discussion the message below. Thanks for your help and my apologies for the cross posting. Please note that I am not subscribed to any of the mailing lists (except hackers) and any flames should be sent to my personal address only. I will collect all the flames and post a digest. :-) Nick Hibma ======== >From nick.hibma@jrc.it Fri Jul 3 13:34:37 1998 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:01:14 +0200 (MET DST) From: Nick Hibma To: Garance A Drosihn Cc: FreeBSD hackers mailing list Subject: Re: 2.2.6 CD-ROM : Package dependencies up the creek ? > > That is true, but the idea of profiles and a more copious choice of > > what you might want to install is not a bad idea either I think. > > I think it is a "slippery slope", as each of us has a different > collection of packages which we feel are important for machines > once we have them setup as a production service. If we start down > this path, we will probably end up just reorganizing the ports list, > whereas what I'm hoping for is a very short list of packages which > are displayed during the initial install time. Let's separate between two different issues. One, the more important and urgent one: your point of creating a list of packages which should be optional but most probably necessary on a newly installed system. You mention bash as an example, perl5 is another one. Add a tick box in one of the installation menus and add the packages to the CD and you are done. The more room on the CD the more packages you can add to that list if you like. The idea of profiles is the other one and as you say, it is a slippery slope. Most people install the operating system for the first time to try and if they have the feeling that they are being coached through the process and been given choices that they can easily understand, they'll probably have a better feeling about what is happening to them. Profiles you can see as different views on the database of packages available. You can already see this if you look at the way the packages are structured now. The point is that you can select a number of profiles that suite you. They might overlap, for example web, mail and software development, but you have a preselection of packages which should fullfill most your intended uses. Enhancing the profiles with relations makes it even more sexy. For example, installing MSQL on a development system that also has perl installed could trigger the adding perl5-msql. Having selected X and ghostscript makes it invitable to install ghostview as well. An idea is to collect a lot of pkg_info -aI lists and see if you can use statistics to guess what someone might want to install as well. Taking into account the available disk space and using the statistical analysis to rank the automatically added packages would keep the thing from installing too many things. REQUEST: I hereby post a request for pkg_info -aI listings of FBSD machines. Please add in the subject PKGINFO. That makes the message more of an object that _just_knows_ which mail folder to go to. The following should do: pkg_info -aI | mail -s "PKGINFO `hostname`" nick.hibma@jrc.it should do the trick. And, someone has said this (I cannot remember his name), there should be a step in between the installation of the base system (O sys and basic functionality /usr/bin and packages) and the installation of the packages through selection/profiles/whatever. In contrast to MicroDollar there is a difference between the operating system and the user interface. A remark about the fact that the operating system and base functionality (including the item above, the packages on CD 1) has been completely installed and that he now can continue with the installation of added functionality if he wishes to do so, should be added. To avoid the problem Garance had when installing FreeBSD (supposedly nuking his fresh installation during the installation of XFree) maybe some consolidation stage should be added (reboot) after dumping a README on what to do next to the screen/to more. Shouldn't we force a reboot to make sure we run off a decent medium (common guys, one reboot is not the end of the world! :-) Is it at all possible to install XFree at that stage, because of the lack of swap and RO /usr partition? > I would expect most shells will be on this "short list". As part of the > install process the user going to be asked to create some personal ID's, Account creation is a good one as well for the initial setup phase. At least you can log in as user root with a password or as someone else. It makes it feel more like home instead of a black hole. > shell I "need". Obviously I can get by using other shells, but it > only takes about five minutes before I start missing shell features > which I'm pretty used to. The cursor jumping all over the place when pressing tab, very annoying, yes. :-) Someone who has the CD1 handy should tell us how much space is left there before we embark on listing all our favourite toys. Nick Hibma To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 3 05:58:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA24262 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 05:58:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA24255 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 05:58:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA15120; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:58:24 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980703225821.25053@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:58:21 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Nick Hibma Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PKGINFO statistics References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Nick Hibma on Fri, Jul 03, 1998 at 02:02:02PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jul 03, 1998 at 02:02:02PM +0200, Nick Hibma wrote: > > In short, it would be appreciated if you could execute the command below > on your FreeBSD box. It is harmless. For the benefit of anyone who doesn't know this already, NEVER execute a command you don't understand. They will always tell you it is harmless, of course! That's why we have man pages :-) In this case it seems to be from a good bloke for a good reason, and everyone except us would have understood immediately what the command would do. I'm still gonna read up on it first though :-) Nick, would it help at all if newbies identified themselves as newbies when they send you the info? -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 3 06:55:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01736 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 06:55:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.wr.com.au (wr.com.au [203.12.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01702; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 06:55:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gharris@mail.wr.com.au) Received: from aplyozsq (dialup17.wr.com.au [203.27.69.17]) by mail.wr.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA24554; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:53:07 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199807031353.XAA24554@mail.wr.com.au> From: "Gary Harris" To: Greg Lehey , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:48:57 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sio0&sio1 In-reply-to: <19980702084248.M10452@freebie.lemis.com> References: <19980701233857.32018@tetard.glou.eu.org>; from Philippe Regnauld on Wed, Jul 01, 1998 at 11:38:57PM +0200 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> or 2.2.6. During the bootstrap process Free tells that sio0 and sio1 not > >> found at its IRQ3 and 4. Thus serial ports not available on this computer > > > > Probably same problem as Iwill motherboards. Check > > http://www.lemis.com/serial-port-patch.html > > I'd assume so. Note that the problem has been fixed in -stable and > -current (as the web page now indicates). More info please. I can't find any reference on the FreeBSD website and I have the same problem. Cheers, Gary. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary Harris PowWow: gharris@wr.com.au ICQ Pager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/827286 EMail: gharris@wr.com.au EMail: gharri01@postoffice.csu.edu.au WWW: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/1473/ PGP Public Key available To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 3 07:00:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA02506 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:00:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02501 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:00:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA15288; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:00:10 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980704000007.20605@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:00:07 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Top Ten Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Imagine: You've just installed a standard distribution of FreeBSD, you're not going to run X for a while yet, and you need to install a few programs from the packages collection to make your work easier. Either you know what you want already or you haven't got a clue. For those who haven't a clue I'm putting together a single package for newbies that will install some extra documentation and then cause a few other packages to be installed. (If you've installed KDE using the KDE meta-package which installs its other packages, you've seen similar) The idea was to include about five packages that I thought were essential, and if anyone felt they had better choices they could build their own :-) When I got these five essential package names out of my head and onto paper, it turned out there were twelve of them! That's too many for what I have in mind, so I'm asking for your suggestions. Nothing fancy, just the real bread and butter stuff you couldn't live without. As a newbie without X, if you could only install ten FreeBSD packages, which ones would be essential for everyday use? -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 3 07:18:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA03906 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:18:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mrelay.jrc.it (mrelay.jrc.it [139.191.1.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03900 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:18:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nick.hibma@jrc.it) Received: from elect8 (elect8.jrc.it [139.191.71.152]) by mrelay.jrc.it (LMC5688) with SMTP id QAA03411; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:18:07 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:10:51 +0200 (MET DST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@elect8 Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: Sue Blake cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PKGINFO statistics In-Reply-To: <19980703225821.25053@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Nick, would it help at all if newbies identified themselves as newbies > when they send you the info? How do you want to write that down in a one liner? For myself I know that if it is more than a few key clicks away and it is not of any importance to me, I skip it. This cut&paste is nice and simple. And thanks for calling me a good bloke :-) Nick STA-ISIS, T.P.270, Joint Research Centre, Italy building: 27A tel.: +39 332 78 9549 fax.: +39 332 78 9185 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 3 07:59:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA09433 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:59:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09428 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:59:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA15435; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:59:07 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980704005904.20548@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:59:04 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Ken Seggerman Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: laptops References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Ken Seggerman on Thu, Jul 02, 1998 at 04:26:04PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jul 02, 1998 at 04:26:04PM -0400, Ken Seggerman wrote: > Greetings fellow newbies: > > I have 2.2.5 on my new Toshiba Satellite laptop. I don't even have to know what that is to be green with envy :-) Boy would I like to see the faces on those windoze-jabbing train travellers leaning across "What can you do with a computer without a mouse?!" hehehe > The credit card modem does not work. It gets probed as zp which > I read in Greg's book is an interface, not a device. > > I had hoped that reinstalling from scratch with the PAO-boot.flp > would fix the problem. It said it was configuring the credit card modem, > but User PPP can't find it. User ppp needs a device name, and the modem is > plugged into an interface. I'm writing from Windows95 for the time being. > > This will undoubtedly require a kernel re-build. Anyway, I'm waiting for > advise from the experts at freebsd-questions. How's it going, any joy yet? Laptops are strange unfamiliar things to me. Full of peculiar devices and commands, strange keys, funny little things on the case that I can't recognise, and mysterious sleeping habits. They cheat me out of the precious little bit of computer knowledge that I've laboriously collected. People who use them speak strange words as if to remind me how little I know, and they use them to do amazing things that I can't do, like puzzling over config files under a big shady tree instead of in a hot room. How can something that small do what my tower case bulges and groans about? How can a credit card do the job of this brick on my desk? Somehow I've gotta get my own laptop one day and tear away the mystery. It's almost like approaching unix all over again. > I don't have room for X and emacs seems to want to use an X resourse, so I > uninstalled it. I am getting by with pico and uemacs for the time being. If you want to use emacs I don't think you need to install X, just the part that emacs wants. Check the mail archives for details, it was discussed within the last few weeks (http://www.freebsd.org/search.html) I used pico for ages a few years ago and thought it wasn't too bad at all for simple stuff. Now I use joe for more complex editing, which is certainly not to everyone's taste but it offers a nice balance of light weight, features and configurability. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 3 08:22:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11702 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:22:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colossus.dyn.ml.org (dburr@199-170-160-156.la.inreach.net [199.107.160.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11685 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:22:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id IAA03162; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:22:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980704000007.20605@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 08:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Computer Help From: Donald Burr To: Sue Blake Subject: RE: Top Ten Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My secret spy satellite informs me that on 03-Jul-98, Sue Blake wrote: > As a newbie without X, if you could only install ten FreeBSD packages, > which ones would be essential for everyday use? I am not a newbie, but I remember when I was, and I remember the programs that I wish I had at that time. So here's my picks: pine - You NEED a decent e-mail reader. lynx - A lot of FreeBSD docs are in HTML, which you need a Web browser to read. unzip - Sometmies you find docs (or other things you need) wrapped up in zip files... mtools - an easier (easier than mount/umount) way of getting data off of DOS floppies. minicom - an excellent communications program. Useful for calling up BBS's or your ISP, talking with your modem to set up PPP, etc. fetchmail - to pull your mail off of your ISP. tin - a good news reader apsfilter - an extremely versatile and easy to use printer setup thingie. this way you can print postscript directly to your printer, even if it doesn't support postscript. catdoc - read those pesky M$ WORD files you occasionally see (or if you are converting from Windows) This set should provide basic functionality in terms of getting at (and reading) files, and using basic Internet services. --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD - Turning PCs into Workstations - http://www.freebsd.org/ (NOTE: POBoxes.com appears to be working again -- fire away!) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 3 09:09:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA16327 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:09:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [207.170.17.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16322 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:08:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16886; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:08:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) id LAA22034; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:08:26 -0500 Message-ID: <19980703110825.60803@right.PCS> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:08:26 -0500 From: Jonathan Lemon To: Sue Blake Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Top Ten References: <19980704000007.20605@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1 In-Reply-To: <19980704000007.20605@welearn.com.au>; from Sue Blake on Jul 07, 1998 at 12:00:07AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Jul 07, 1998 at 12:00:07AM +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > As a newbie without X, if you could only install ten FreeBSD packages, > which ones would be essential for everyday use? My list is shorter, these are my essential tools: 1. tcsh (insert other shell of choice here) 2. less 3. lynx 4. mutt But then again, I'm not exactly a newbie, so this may not apply. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 3 17:35:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14625 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:35:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA14590; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:35:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id KAA07044; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:05:21 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980704100520.V358@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:05:20 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Gary Harris , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sio0&sio1 References: <19980701233857.32018@tetard.glou.eu.org>; <19980702084248.M10452@freebie.lemis.com> <199807031353.XAA24554@mail.wr.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199807031353.XAA24554@mail.wr.com.au>; from Gary Harris on Fri, Jul 03, 1998 at 11:48:57PM +1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 3 July 1998 at 23:48:57 +1000, Gary Harris wrote: > >>>> or 2.2.6. During the bootstrap process Free tells that sio0 and sio1 not >>>> found at its IRQ3 and 4. Thus serial ports not available on this computer >>> >>> Probably same problem as Iwill motherboards. Check >>> http://www.lemis.com/serial-port-patch.html >> >> I'd assume so. Note that the problem has been fixed in -stable and >> -current (as the web page now indicates). > > More info please. I can't find any reference on the FreeBSD website and I have the same problem. (reformatting line to be under 80 chars) > More info please. I can't find any reference on the FreeBSD website > and I have the same problem. In general, these things don't get announced except in the cvs-all mailing list, where *all* the changes (90% of them ridiculously trivial) get reported. Here are some relevant commit records for /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/sio.c: > revision 1.205 > date: 1998/06/03 12:30:10; author: bde; state: Exp; lines: +5 -4 > Force success of the probe (after doing it as before except in one > miscconfigured case) if the port is the console. This fixes several > bugs: > - if all sioprobe()s failed, then the console driver followed null > pointers in cdevsw[]. > - if the sioprobe() for the console failed but another sioprobe() > succeeded, then init hung early when the console couldn't be > opened. > - it was silly for the console to not be there after printing boot > messages on it. > Bugs introduced by this are hopefully no worse than old ones caused > by forcing the success of the `cn' level probe. > ---------------------------- > revision 1.204 > date: 1998/06/03 09:43:38; author: bde; state: Exp; lines: +6 -7 > Fixed a printf() arg botch in the previous commit. > > Only complain about an irq mismatch in the probe if the configured > irq doesn't become active, and then print the bitmap of irqs that > became active (including clock irqs) instead of just the first > (not including clock irqs). > > Bugs reported by: msmith > ---------------------------- > revision 1.203 > date: 1998/05/31 10:53:55; author: bde; state: Exp; lines: +27 -22 > Converted the ICU-level interrupt tests (3, 5 and 8) in sioprobe() into > a test of the irq number, and made failure of this test non-fatal. > Removed related unused complications for the APIC_IO case. Removed the > no-test3 flag. > > Deverbosified the failure messages for the other tests. Removed the > per-port verbose flag - just use the general verbose flag. > > revision 1.147.2.16 > date: 1998/06/16 12:51:17; author: bde; state: Exp; lines: +33 -25 > MFC (sio.c revs.1.203-1.205 and 1.207 and infrastructure: made > tests 3, 5 and 8 non-fatal, etc). This may fix failing probes for > builtin ports on IWill motherboards. The relevant tags are: > head: 1.208 > symbolic names: > RELENG_2_2_6_RELEASE: 1.147.2.13 > RELENG_2_2: 1.147.0.2 This says that the fixes are in RELENG_2_2 (2.2-STABLE), which is currently at revision 1.147.2.16, but not in 2.2.6-RELEASE (revision 1.147.2.13). It's also in -CURRENT. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 3 19:30:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA25972 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 19:30:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA25936 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 19:30:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA18722 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:30:13 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:30:13 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199807040230.MAA18722@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 6 June 1998) This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ FreeBSD-Newbies is a discussion forum for newbies. We cover any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook344.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. Manuals You'll always be expected show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj.html Other resources [Updated! New links to info on ppp and the X Window System] A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 3 19:35:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA26535 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 19:35:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.auracom.net (root@mail1.auracom.net [165.154.140.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA26527 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 19:35:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arthur@col.auracom.com) Received: from outpost.col.auracom.com (ts1-8.tru.auracom.com [165.154.114.40]) by mail1.auracom.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA21960; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:34:47 -0300 (ADT) From: arthur To: Sue Blake cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Top Ten In-Reply-To: <19980704000007.20605@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > > As a newbie without X, if you could only install ten FreeBSD packages, > which ones would be essential for everyday use? > .. pine, ncftp, midnight commander .... all I can think of right off the top of my head, hope it helps. > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - arthur@col.auracom.com In a world without fences, is there a need for gates --end-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 3 19:42:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA27361 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 19:42:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA27355 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 19:42:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anarchy@crl.com) Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by mail.crl.com (8.8.8/) via SMTP id TAA07993 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 19:40:55 -0700 (PDT) env-from (anarchy@crl.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 19:40:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Manes To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Linus speaks! In-Reply-To: <19980704100520.V358@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ok, so this guy wrote linux, not bsd. most of you are newbies, so it doesn't matter. plus, its not ment just to advertise linux, but *nix in general. so, if your in the area, you might want to see him speak, its free.. http://www.teamtaos.com/events/linux/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 3 20:39:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA02972 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 20:39:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02942 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 20:39:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (kaput@aeiusrI-11.aei.ca [206.186.205.161]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA02068; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359DA2F2.6708A93C@aei.ca> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 23:35:14 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: arthur CC: Sue Blake , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Top Ten References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I dont have X on my big 200mhz system simply because it's fun :-) Tips:Enable moused for cut & paste without X Well, give categorie and choice: Unziping:Unzip (its essential I think) Mail: Pine,Mutt Browsing:Lynx *Ircing:ircII, ircII-epic, BitchX Reading/browsing FAT:mtools Shell:*bash,tcsh -- [Malartre] [malartre@aei.ca][ICQ#4224434][www.aei.ca/~malartre/][www.FreeBSD.ORG] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 4 00:56:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA22468 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:56:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA22437; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:56:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA23369; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:56:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:56:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: "Vladimir V. Tkatchenko" cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sio0&sio1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Vladimir V. Tkatchenko wrote: > Are anybody tell me or help in such question. Our organization puts a new > PC Pentium-166MMX (motherboard with TX Chipset which is called > KM-T5-T1). Problem in this machines bigan when I installing FreeBSD 2.2.5 > or 2.2.6. During the bootstrap process Free tells that sio0 and sio1 not > found at its IRQ3 and 4. Thus serial ports not available on this computer > which must be router! Its bad. But BIOS settings are right and when we > working with other system such as Linux and Windows95 all serial ports > working correctly. If you have any suggestions for that problem please > answer. We currently have problems finding the Acer UART; if the Motherboard is based on it, then the sio ports won't be found. See http://www.lemis.com/serial-port-patch.html for a fix. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 4 03:10:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA12152 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 03:10:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zeus.netdirect.net.uk (zeus.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA12090 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 03:10:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ian.ofriel@ndirect.co.uk) Received: from default (th-pm01-24.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.225.88]) by zeus.netdirect.net.uk (8.8.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA03530; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:10:35 +0100 Message-ID: <00b701bc8862$5430fb40$58e107c3@default> Reply-To: "Ian O'Friel" From: "Ian O'Friel" To: "Tim Gerchmez" Subject: Re: One last time...... Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 23:07:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I wouldn't say to your face that I came from england because I don't, I come from Scotland, there's a fucking BIG difference. If you tried that, I would rip your bollocks off and make you wear them as earings and I would shove a broken glass bottle so far up your arse that you would never need to use a toothpick again....... I would do worse that send you to hospital, I would put you six fucking feet under........ I have had quite a few of-the-list mails from people completely agreeing with me on the subject, also saying how much of a stupid, lying, inconsiderate asshole that you are........ You could get the hint and fuck off as it seems very few people here actually like you. Ian.... -----Original Message----- From: Tim Gerchmez To: Ian O'Friel Date: 02 July 1998 23:00 Subject: Re: One last time...... > >You live in England, don't you? I wonder if you would dare to say that to >my face, I would bloody your nose, black both your eyes and put you in the >hospital for a few days with some missing teeth as well. > >It's amazing what people will say when they can hide behind distance and >Email. Coward. > >At 08:15 PM 7/2/98 +0100, you wrote: >>OK, I admit it, I unsubscribed Tim gerchmez because I think he is an >>ignorant big headed prick, Imagine threatening to go to someone ISP because >>they sent you a mail....... Don't worry Sue, we all love you, not that >>Prick........ > > >-- >My web site starts at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html - >lots of goodies for everyone, have a look if you have the time. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 4 03:11:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA12168 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 03:11:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zeus.netdirect.net.uk (zeus.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA12057 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 03:10:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ian.ofriel@ndirect.co.uk) Received: from default (th-pm01-24.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.225.88]) by zeus.netdirect.net.uk (8.8.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA03534; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:10:38 +0100 Message-ID: <00b801bc8862$55b30760$58e107c3@default> Reply-To: "Ian O'Friel" From: "Ian O'Friel" To: "Chris Browning" , "newbie" , Subject: Re: What do people on the list use FreeBSD for? Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 23:10:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try searching the FreeBSD-Newbies archive, not remember a very long-winded thread going a while back......... Ian -----Original Message----- From: Chris Browning To: newbie ; tim.parkinson@ccr.ntu.ac.uk Date: 01 July 1998 22:28 Subject: Re: What do people on the list use FreeBSD for? >I'm switching carrers at 42 from professional chef to >programmer. Restaurants not very family-friendly. My wife >does Novell/NT/Win programming/sysadmin and she said I was a >smart fella, I oughta try it. Did the quickie two-year >curriculum. Lots of Windows-Visual Basic and whatnot. COBOL >fer cryin' out loud. C++, ouch- a real language for a >change. IBM assembly language, which I liked. RPG on an >AS/400--never, ever, ever as long as I live; I'll go back to >cooking first. And one lonely little course in UNIX. I was >hooked. Jeez, DOS with teeth. The instructor was this >ancient retired AT&T guy who'd been doing it since the >mid-70's. I've had one box or another running freebsd for a >couple years, but no time. Taught myself Visual FoxPro for >my senior project, which I just finished. I don't have to go >back to work till this fall so I'm furiously doing all the >UNIX and C I can. I'll do FoxPro if I absolutely have to but >people in the business tell me that given the labor market >in this area (North Carolina US), even a greenhorn like me >can just about pick the shop I want. It most likely won't be >a FreeBSD shop but it will be a UNIX shop. Even if it's Y2K >to start. I'm never going back. UNIX is too cool. Anyone who >wants to do that M$ API black-box .dll >who-knows-what's-in-there stuff is welcome to it. No thanks. >And I look forward to the day when I may be able to >contribute to the FreeBSD project. I owe the folks who have >brought it this far. Thanks. Pardon my soapbox. > >And, newbie that I am, if I ever send someone undesired >personal email, I hope they will let me know how I screwed >up and how to fix it so it never, ever happens again. Now >I'm terrified. > >Chris Browning >brownicm@netunlimited.net > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 4 12:22:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01281 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:22:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01268 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:22:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from suleyman@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (suleyman@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA21619; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:22:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Seggerman To: Sue Blake cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: laptops In-Reply-To: <19980704005904.20548@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sue: Thank you for your thoughtful reply to my laptop modem quandry. > > I don't even have to know what that is to be green with envy :-) > Boy would I like to see the faces on those windoze-jabbing train > travellers leaning across "What can you do with a computer without a > mouse?!" hehehe First of all the New York City subway system is not at all conduisive to mobile computing, if you're lucky enough to get a seat. Laptops now come with a little knob between the G, H and B keys which acts as pointer-mover, and two thumb bars for left and right clicking. So the lack of a mouse is not at all noticeable. > > How's it going, any joy yet? I seem to have it narrowed down a bit, but its still not working, and don't really know if it will or not. Still waiting for expert advise (presumably from Japan). > > Laptops are strange unfamiliar things to me. Full of peculiar devices and > commands, strange keys, funny little things on the case that I can't > recognise, and mysterious sleeping habits. They cheat me out of the > precious little bit of computer knowledge that I've laboriously > collected. People who use them speak strange words as if to remind me how > little I know, and they use them to do amazing things that I can't do, > like puzzling over config files under a big shady tree instead of in a > hot room. How can something that small do what my tower case bulges and > groans about? How can a credit card do the job of this brick on my desk? > Somehow I've gotta get my own laptop one day and tear away the mystery. > It's almost like approaching unix all over again. I needed to get a fairly "top of the line" laptop to get the additional RAM and hard drive space I need for the compilers I use in my programming class. There seems to be a brisk trade here in inexpensive re-builds and I know of a source of locally manufactured off-brand minimal laptops which cost about one quarter what the fancy new ones go for. Of course with FreeBSD there are compatability issues (like with my modem) so caveat emptor. > If you want to use emacs I don't think you need to install X, just the > part that emacs wants. Check the mail archives for details, it was > discussed within the last few weeks (http://www.freebsd.org/search.html) Without a working modem, I can only do pkg_add. If this modem problem persists, I can always try to hook the laptop up to an external modem and use the ports collection. But, I like to leave that tangle of cables behind the PC alone. I'm using uemacs for the time being. I just read your request for a survey minimal required apps for the non-X FreeBSD user--a great idea! I definitely fall into that category whilst using the laptop. I would say: pine, pico, mtools (a must for the Windows dual-booters), emacs, and a print application (I'm still a newbie and don't know them yet). There is probably plenty I can learn from your list. I wish the Korn shell were not proprietary. I have not gotten around to checking out pdksh. Cheers Ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 4 17:39:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01629 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 17:39:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01621 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 17:39:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from desktop-pentium (dialup108.serv.net [205.153.153.137]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA08258 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 17:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980704173945.007f1d30@mx.serv.net> X-Sender: fewtch@mx.serv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 17:39:45 -0700 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Tim Gerchmez Subject: Re: Top Ten (here's mine...) In-Reply-To: <19980704000007.20605@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:00 AM 7/4/98 +1000, Sue Blake wrote: >As a newbie without X, if you could only install ten FreeBSD packages, >which ones would be essential for everyday use? *WITHOUT* X? Hmmm, I can't think of anything essential whatsoever (the base distribution is enough). If I had X, I could think of a number of packages that would be useful and fun, though: * xearth * rxvt * xcalendar * xfishtank * asclock * ftptool * Netscape Communicator 4.04 * xtar * Acroread * xfmail How's that for a top 10 (not including dependencies, of course)? I purposely didn't include my X client of choice (Fvwm2) since everyone has the option of choosing their favorite and that's part of the fun. I really can't think of anything though for a newbie *WITHOUT* x. Why would a newbie want to run BSD without X, anyway? They most likely won't be doing much programming, so what are they going to do with their system? Using X utilities like ftptool is *SO* much easier than typing "ftp" on the command line... Well... on second thought, I can think of one that is essential for a newbie if you're gonna be working without X: mc (Midnight Commander). It's a Norton Commander clone (only 10 times better) that is simply incredibly useful for all kinds of file and directory management. It does require linux_libs though (a 5 meg dependency), and having the ability to run Linux binaries set in /etc/rc.conf. -- My web site starts at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html - lots of goodies for everyone, have a look if you have the time. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 4 18:14:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA03651 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 18:14:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA03646 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 18:14:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from desktop-pentium (dialup411.serv.net [207.207.70.12]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA09602; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 18:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980704174301.007f69a0@mx.serv.net> X-Sender: fewtch@mx.serv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 17:43:01 -0700 To: Donald Burr From: Tim Gerchmez Subject: RE: Top Ten Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <19980704000007.20605@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:22 AM 7/3/98 -0700, Donald Burr wrote: >mtools - an easier (easier than mount/umount) way of getting data off of > DOS floppies. Ahh, forgot about mtools - that's a great one with many uses (not only floppies, it's useful for accessing DOS or Win95 HD partitions as well, and has long filename support). -- My web site starts at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html - lots of goodies for everyone, have a look if you have the time. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 4 18:23:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04731 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 18:23:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.axess.com (root@mail.axess.com [204.19.206.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04726 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 18:22:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ppawel@axess.com) Received: from my.domain (ppp-68.axess.com [204.19.207.68]) by mail.axess.com (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id VAA14044 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:30:35 -0400 Received: (from ppawel@localhost) by my.domain (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA00325; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:08:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ppawel) Message-ID: <19980704210846.A317@axess.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:08:46 -0400 From: "Peter D. Pawelek" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: My Top Ten Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Reply-To: Alright, assuming that our prototypical newbie is connecting to the 'Net via PPP, here are the ten packages that I would deem essential: bash less popclient perl5 lynx mutt slrn expect (good for automating interactive scripts; possible security risk in some situations, however) vim nethack (obviously) There ya go! Peter Pawelek (ppawel@axess.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 4 18:53:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07551 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 18:53:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.axess.com (root@mail.axess.com [204.19.206.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07546 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 18:52:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ppawel@axess.com) Received: from my.domain (ppp-68.axess.com [204.19.207.68]) by mail.axess.com (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id WAA14766 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:00:37 -0400 Received: (from ppawel@localhost) by my.domain (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA00366; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:42:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ppawel) Message-ID: <19980704214244.B317@axess.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:42:44 -0400 From: "Peter D. Pawelek" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Top Ten (here's mine...) References: <19980704000007.20605@welearn.com.au> <3.0.5.32.19980704173945.007f1d30@mx.serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980704173945.007f1d30@mx.serv.net>; from Tim Gerchmez on Sat, Jul 04, 1998 at 05:39:45PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoting Tim Gerchmez (fewtch@serv.net): > purposely didn't include my X client of choice (Fvwm2) since everyone has > the option of choosing their favorite and that's part of the fun. I really > can't think of anything though for a newbie *WITHOUT* x. Why would a > newbie want to run BSD without X, anyway? They most likely won't be doing > much programming, so what are they going to do with their system? Using X > utilities like ftptool is *SO* much easier than typing "ftp" on the command > line... > Actually, I spend most of my time at the console. Besides using vim for programming, I prefer using slrn/mutt/lynx for most of my Internet activities. Although I've got nothing against X, sometimes I just want to cut to the chase and not put up with the bloat that comes with it; I've got 64MB of RAM and it's depressing to do a 'top' whilst in X and see that most of my RAM has been gobbled up before even starting up an app like Netscape (which takes about 5-10 seconds to load on my P133). Having multiple xterms and a big virtual desktop is the nice thing about X. But, when I use it I prefer to use a minimal window manager like wm2 (check it out...a tiny little C++ program that occupies very little system real estate). In the end, however, I con- sider X to be an enormously unnecessary for my purposes. Of course, I would not be so presumptuous as to dissuade a newbie from using X, nor would I encourage him/her. Everyone has different needs and interests. The best thing about FreeBSD (and Linux) is that it is able to accomodate just about every taste and preference imagin- able. And the best thing for a newbie is to explore and try out as much as possible to see what floats his/her boat. Peter Pawelek (ppawel@axess.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 4 19:18:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09380 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 19:18:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kirk.NetUnlimited.net (root@Kirk.netunlimited.net [208.128.132.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09373 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 19:18:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brownicm@netunlimited.net) Received: from netunlimited.net (Saavik-14.netunlimited.net [208.128.132.154]) by Kirk.NetUnlimited.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA09297 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359EE29A.12A39BC9@netunlimited.net> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 22:19:06 -0400 From: Chris Browning X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Linus speaks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It's little enough I know about linux (having my hands full at the moment), but it's been getting good press. I figure it's a good thing for *nix of whatever flavor. I don't grouse. We can cross-compile, right? Chris Browning brownicm@netunlimited.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 4 19:32:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10832 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 19:32:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA10827 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 19:32:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anarchy@crl.com) Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by mail.crl.com (8.8.8/) via SMTP id TAA15155 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 19:32:53 -0700 (PDT) env-from (anarchy@crl.com) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 19:32:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Manes To: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Linus speaks In-Reply-To: <359EE29A.12A39BC9@netunlimited.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Chris Browning wrote: > It's little enough I know about linux (having my hands full at the > moment), but it's been getting good press. I figure it's a good thing > for *nix of whatever flavor. I don't grouse. We can cross-compile, > right? > > Chris Browning > brownicm@netunlimited.net most stuff, to my knowledge, you can. don't know to much bout *nix, just what I've read, and played with. Think some stuff wont port, but I'm not too sure. There was something in '89 called COFF, which was supposed to allow programs that took advantage of it to run on any *nix system, or version. doubt it worked well, though. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 4 19:53:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12374 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 19:53:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.axess.com (root@mail.axess.com [204.19.206.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA12369 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 19:53:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ppawel@axess.com) Received: from my.domain (ppp-113.axess.com [204.19.207.113]) by mail.axess.com (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id XAA16123 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 23:00:37 -0400 Received: (from ppawel@localhost) by my.domain (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00548; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:32:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ppawel) Message-ID: <19980704223246.A540@axess.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:32:46 -0400 From: "Peter D. Pawelek" To: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Linus speaks References: <359EE29A.12A39BC9@netunlimited.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <359EE29A.12A39BC9@netunlimited.net>; from Chris Browning on Sat, Jul 04, 1998 at 10:19:06PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoting Chris Browning (brownicm@netunlimited.net): > It's little enough I know about linux (having my hands full at the > moment), but it's been getting good press. I figure it's a good thing > for *nix of whatever flavor. I don't grouse. We can cross-compile, > right? I absolutely agree. FreeBSD can only benefit from the success of Linux. The last thing we all need is a holy war between FreeBSD and Linux.... after all, the Linux people can handle only one holy war at a time, and they're currently on a jihad against Mr. Gates. ;) Peter Pawelek (ppawel@axess.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 4 19:59:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13016 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 19:59:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kirk.NetUnlimited.net (root@Kirk.netunlimited.net [208.128.132.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13009 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 19:59:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brownicm@netunlimited.net) Received: from netunlimited.net (Saavik-14.netunlimited.net [208.128.132.154]) by Kirk.NetUnlimited.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA11602 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359EEC39.CB6B12C3@netunlimited.net> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 23:00:09 -0400 From: Chris Browning X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: cooking in county cork Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I fear I've made a fool of myself. I would much appreciate if the chef in County Cork could re-communicate. I've lost my netscape mail files in a... well... reconfiguration... apologies to all Chris Browning brownicm@netunlimited.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 4 21:17:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA18289 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:17:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA18224; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:16:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199807050416.VAA18224@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Recent Events in FreeBSD-newbies mailing list To: FreeBSD-Newbies Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:16:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Recent events on this list are outside the bounds of acceptable behavior for any of our mailing lists. 1. A member of this list unsubscribed another member of the list. 2. He verbally abused and threatened physical harm to another member of this list. 3. He forged e-mail to make it appear as if another list member had sent the e-mail to the list. 4. He sent private e-mail to the list in order to publicly defame another list member. This behavior is inexcusable. It will not be tolerated on any FreeBSD mailing list. The FreeBSD mailing lists exist to serve the needs of the subscribers. We expect each subscriber to conform to the norms of civil discourse and the list charters. Therefore, Ian O'Friel has been banned from all FreeBSD mailing lists. He will not be allowed to send mail to any of the FreeBSD mailing lists. He will not be allowed to resubscribe to the lists for an indefinite period of time. Tim Gerchmez, the other list member involved in this incident has been suspended from the lists for two weeks. Whenever a list subscriber has an issue with another list subscriber, that person must bring the situation to the attention of myself or another core team member for resolution. The mailing list charters and "Rules of the Road" are in the FreeBSD Handbook: Section 27.1 "Mailing Lists" and Section 27.1.3 "List charters". The Handbook is available in /usr/share/doc and as well as http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook.html. jmb - -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--The Power to Serve JMB193 http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNZ78QwHbXdKX5jjdAQGF5wQAgxHRzlcK0IkAy0a1kevwEgNvdTFSWRuw 9Xb0bjuShmOW/QHsdrdGEiNalruuZ6M3YZxbG+7AK05bm4XsOZZdiI6qVhwuE3tb tIY1U0CbAOzUBZa1xToG+cVwtzlT34cTa4eHIzuispBNvjvhu9nNh0W/CErjfo9s utODNvFIzQY= =5nMI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 4 21:25:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA19058 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:25:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA19051 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:25:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from suleyman@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (suleyman@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA09240; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:25:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Seggerman To: Malartre cc: FreeBSD Newbies Mailing List Subject: enabling moused w/ X In-Reply-To: <359DA2F2.6708A93C@aei.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Malartre wrote: > I dont have X on my big 200mhz system simply because it's fun :-) > Tips:Enable moused for cut & paste without X > Sound like a great idea. I have a psm0 mouse port properly configured but can't seem to come up with the correct mouse type string in rc.conf. It's an ordinary Microsoft mouse. My man pages are not all there, and I have sent a message to questions to find out how to get them off the CD. man rc.conf is supposed to have the answer, but if you can provide it that would be great. Any ideas? Thanks, Ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 4 22:24:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22626 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:24:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cyclops.xtra.co.nz (cyclops.xtra.co.nz [202.27.184.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22612 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:24:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker (210-55-210-87.ipnets.xtra.co.nz [210.55.210.87]) by cyclops.xtra.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA27852 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:23:42 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <199807050523.RAA27852@cyclops.xtra.co.nz> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:24:17 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: do I need a POP server for this? Reply-to: junkmale@xtra.co.nz In-reply-to: <19980704210846.A317@axess.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! FreeBSD was recommended to me by a another user. I've installed it on an old 486 to act as the gateway and firewall for my home network. The fbsd box is connected to my ISP via an ADSL ethernet over my phone line and uses DHCP. The IP assigned seems to be static for a given MAC address. It took about 8 days to set all of that up. Most of the problem was understanding that I had to install DHCP. I plan to write up what I've learned and post it somewhere so other newbies can benefit from it. My home net consists of the freebd box and two NT boxes. At present, they go out directly to the ISP to grab the mail. I don't plan to change that situation. I'm using Pegasus which allows mail to be obtained from multiple mail servers. I'd like to set my freebsd box up so that I can read the mail which fbsd generates (the logs etc). >From various sources, I've concluded I should I be installing a POP server. But which one would you recommend given what I wish to do? cheers -- Dan Langille DVL Software Limited http://www.dvl-software.com : for race timing solutions To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 4 22:24:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22625 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:24:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cyclops.xtra.co.nz (cyclops.xtra.co.nz [202.27.184.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22613 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:24:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker (210-55-210-87.ipnets.xtra.co.nz [210.55.210.87]) by cyclops.xtra.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA27857 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:23:42 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <199807050523.RAA27857@cyclops.xtra.co.nz> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:24:17 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: using IPFW as a firewall Reply-to: junkmale@xtra.co.nz X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've started playing around with IPFW in order to boost up the protection around my home network. I've seen some recommendations as to what to filter out, but I haven't seen many explicit examples of what rules will make up a nice simple firewall. My home net consists of the freebd box and two NT boxes. The freebsd box is acting as a firewall. My goal is allow my NT boxes unhindered access to the home net and to the Internet but prevent everything else from coming in. What I don't know is what to block. And how to do it. I've been through the examples found on the freebsd website and through stuff I've found with search engines. Mostly, I wind up blocking something I shouldn't and things stop working. I've started looking at /etc/services for an indication of what's necessary for my goals. I'd like some guidance. -- Dan Langille DVL Software Limited http://www.dvl-software.com : for race timing solutions To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 4 23:33:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA26014 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 23:33:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.impulse.net (mail.impulse.net [204.188.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA26008 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 23:33:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@merchantsnet.com) Received: (qmail 19499 invoked from network); 5 Jul 1998 06:33:49 -0000 Received: from sb1-71.impulse.net (HELO 708644668) (204.188.6.71) by mail.impulse.net with SMTP; 5 Jul 1998 06:33:49 -0000 From: "Michael P. Sale" To: , Subject: Re: using IPFW as a firewall Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 23:28:47 -0700 Message-ID: <01bda7de$2ad93c20$4706bccc@708644668> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dan, Neat stuff. Building a "real" firewall is an art form that few people ever gain enough skill to do correctly. It should provide you with a fun challenge at the least. I've never set anything up on a unix box, so I'm not too sure about the specifics of such an operation. I have however set up a few "screens" on routers in the past few years. ( We never called them firewalls because I've never believed that a router should or could be a *true* firewall.) After figuring out what we wanted to let through ( Ip addresses, smpt, ftp, etc...) we would build a wall. I.e. Disallow all. From there you can start poking holes in the wall, testing each "hole" as you go. I.e. allow ftp on xx port to this address only. This seems to prevent the "oh heck, now this doesn't work" problems too because nothing works untill you allow it to. It always seemed to work well for me to do things in this setup and test methodology, but everyone is different. Again, I'm not sure how much IPFW will allow here, so I'm not sure if this will work for you or not. Things you generally allow are telnet, ftp, and smtp (mail) on their specific ports. Sorry I can't provide specifics on UNIX systems. As you press ahead with the project, I would be interested to see some posts on the outcome. Good Luck! Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message