From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 16 10:08:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA28204 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:08:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA28179 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:08:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19051; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:07:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19980816180750.15165@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:07:50 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: GR Gaudreau , FreeBSD Newbies List Subject: Re: Widget References: <199808152340.TAA22725@hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199808152340.TAA22725@hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca>; from GR Gaudreau on Sat, Aug 15, 1998 at 07:39:09PM -0400 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Aug 15, 1998 at 07:39:09PM -0400, GR Gaudreau wrote: > I know what a window is, but can someone please expalin what a "widget" is? > I see this term where ever I go on FreeBSD and Linux websites, but I don't > know what it is. Thank you. Generally, something you can interact with in X. For example, * buttons * scroll bars * menus * 'combo' boxes are all examples of 'widgets'. In the MS Windows world, these are called 'controls', but it's the same thing. X is a much more 'open' affair than Windows, which means that a program can be written to use one of a variety of different widget libraries. Athena (xaw) was one of the first, Qt (used by KDE) is one, as is Gtk. So is Motif. >From a user's point of view, different widget sets will probably look different, and might behave differently. From a programmer's point of view, the different widget sets will have different ways of creating new widgets, and of reacting to the things that the user does to the widget N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 16 11:21:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04027 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:21:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from papaya.mail.easynet.net (papaya.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA04021 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:21:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@boothman.easynet.co.uk) Received: (qmail 500 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1998 18:20:42 -0000 Received: from boothman.easynet.co.uk (194.154.100.117) by papaya.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 16 Aug 1998 18:20:42 -0000 Received: by Boothman.easynet.co.uk (VPOP3 - Unregistered) with SMTP; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:31:50 +0100 Message-ID: <35D71786.BDECABC@boothman.easynet.co.uk> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:31:50 +0100 From: Andrew Boothman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe CC: GR Gaudreau , FreeBSD Newbies List Subject: Re: Widget References: <199808152340.TAA22725@hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca> <35D6287F.4D46D87C@athena.ualr.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0d Unregistered Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe wrote: > > A widget is a scrollbar, button, pulldown menu, etc...... > The sort of thing that Microsoft calls Controls? (Or even ActiveX Controls) -- Andrew Boothman http://www.boothman.easynet.co.uk/andrew/ PGP Key available from public servers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Aug 17 17:47:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02033 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:47:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from teel.info-noire.com (XP11-1-4-12.interlinx.qc.ca [207.253.79.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02027 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:47:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@gel.usherb.ca) Received: from localhost (alex@localhost) by teel.info-noire.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA27956; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:47:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from alex@teel.info-noire.com) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:47:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Boisvert Reply-To: boia01@gel.usherb.ca To: GR Gaudreau cc: FreeBSD Newbies List Subject: Re: Widget In-Reply-To: <35D6287F.4D46D87C@athena.ualr.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 15 Aug 1998, Joe wrote: > > A widget is a scrollbar, button, pulldown menu, etc...... > ... and by the way, widget is a contraction for "window gadget". Alex Boisvert --- FreeBSD: Decouvrez la puissance de votre PC! www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Aug 17 18:25:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07243 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:25:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca (hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca [207.107.250.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07238 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:25:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grgaud@sprint.ca) Received: from grgaud (spc-isp-ott-uas-11-42.sprint.ca [209.103.35.43]) by hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA27968 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D8D7CE.1298@sprint.ca> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:24:30 -0400 From: "G.R. Gaudreau" Organization: Bad News Page X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Newbies List Subject: Re: Widget References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alex Boisvert wrote: > ... and by the way, widget is a contraction for "window gadget". Now that makes a lot of sense... WIndow gaDGET. I would never have thought of it. Btw, why did you choose to install FreeBSD instead of Linux? What do you find are the advantages? And is the install easier than RH 5.1 Linux? I have RH 5.1 Linux at home already. I haven't installed it yet, because I'm waiting to get my 1.2 GIG WD back from WD. I don;'t yet have FreeBSD, though it's pretty cheap at $39.95... pjus taxes, of course. We don't want to forget the Gubment. ;o) G.R. Gaudreau grgaud@sprint.ca http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5783/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 18 19:28:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA28571 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:28:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from postal1.lbl.gov (postal1.lbl.gov [128.3.7.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA28566 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:28:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmt@bigfoot.com) Received: from SpamWall.lbl.gov (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postal1.lbl.gov (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA01370 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dante.lbl.gov.lbl.gov (dante.lbl.gov [128.3.13.76]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA01364 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from noosphere (user-38ld6oj.dialup.mindspring.com) by dante.lbl.gov.lbl.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14987; Tue, 18 Aug 98 19:28:05 PDT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980818192857.00819e40@ieng9.ucsd.edu> X-Sender: jdweinst@ieng9.ucsd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:28:57 -0700 To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jeff W." Subject: checking amount of disk space left? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know it's a very simple command, but I can't figure out how to do it =) --Jeff W. "dude things out here are out of ahh... ahh. known reality." "mail me my damn toothpaste. yeah... that's right bitch. and send it priority too." My trippy page (note the address change): http://2cb.home.ml.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 18 19:50:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02658 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:50:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ha1.rdc1.pa.home.com (ha1.rdc1.pa.home.com [24.2.5.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02634 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:50:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nellie@home.com) Received: from cc219337-a.lwmrn1.pa.home.com ([24.3.111.2]) by ha1.rdc1.pa.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA19606; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:49:45 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:45:07 -0400 (EDT) From: dmb To: "Jeff W." cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: checking amount of disk space left? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980818192857.00819e40@ieng9.ucsd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org try 'df' On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Jeff W. wrote: > I know it's a very simple command, but I can't figure out how to do it =) > --Jeff W. > > "dude things out here are out of ahh... ahh. known reality." > > "mail me my damn toothpaste. yeah... that's right bitch. > and send it priority too." > > My trippy page (note the address change): > http://2cb.home.ml.org > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 18 20:27:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07809 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:27:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA07802 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:27:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA15204; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:26:12 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980819132609.19442@welearn.com.au> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:26:09 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: "Jeff W." Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: checking amount of disk space left? References: <3.0.5.32.19980818192857.00819e40@ieng9.ucsd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980818192857.00819e40@ieng9.ucsd.edu>; from Jeff W. on Tue, Aug 18, 1998 at 07:28:57PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Aug 18, 1998 at 07:28:57PM -0700, Jeff W. wrote: > I know it's a very simple command, but I can't figure out how to do it =) Here's how you figure it out :-) Throw likely sounding words at apropos and see what it comes up with, e.g. apropos disk or apropos free or apropos space will list various commands with their descriptions, including 'df'. The man page is your next port of call, and if that makes no sense try a unix book or some of the many online guides out there (see links from the newbies web page or handbook), but at least apropos will show you what you're looking for. I used a unix system for months without realising that those commands existed. I used to make multiple copies of large files and wait for the error message, then use ls and add up the file sizes on paper before deleting them and using the space. Yeah, well, some idiot told me that unix is hard so I expected it to be :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 00:33:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA04764 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:33:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from reaper.org (reaper.org [196.36.178.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA04759 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:33:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from salvo@reaper.org) Received: from salvo (helo=localhost) by reaper.org with local-smtp (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0z92j6-0006oD-00; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:32:12 +0200 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:32:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Salvatore Greco To: "Jeff W." cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: checking amount of disk space left? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980818192857.00819e40@ieng9.ucsd.edu> Message-ID: X-PGP-Fingerprint: DA 76 EA 17 AF 04 DF 67 84 3E 81 B9 59 BE D0 23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hiya df -k will give all of the filesystem's mounted and their disk usage and free space. On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Jeff W. wrote: |I know it's a very simple command, but I can't figure out how to do it =) | --Jeff W. | -- Salvatore Greco | salvo@reaper.org | http://salvo.reaper.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 05:36:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03101 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 05:36:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mbox.ualr.edu (mbox.ualr.edu [144.167.10.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03092 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 05:36:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeroyce@athena.ualr.edu) Received: from athena.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU (PMDF V4.2-11 #15587) id <01J0S33SI6DC007V6R@UALR.EDU>; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:36:03 CDT Received: from athena.ualr.edu ([144.167.7.90]) by athena.ualr.edu with ESMTP for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 7:36:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:36:00 -0500 From: Joe Subject: Re: checking amount of disk space left? To: FreeBSD Newbies List Message-id: <35DAC6B0.41E84389@athena.ualr.edu> X-Envelope-to: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i686) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org And if you run out of disk space, a "rm -r *" will give you all the space you need...and if you really feel stupid, log in as root and cd to / first.... Salvatore Greco wrote: > Hiya > > df -k will give all of the filesystem's mounted and their disk usage and free > space. > > On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Jeff W. wrote: > > |I know it's a very simple command, but I can't figure out how to do it =) > | --Jeff W. > | > -- Salvatore Greco | salvo@reaper.org | http://salvo.reaper.org > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- There are no secret messages in this signature file. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 06:41:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11215 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 06:41:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu [152.1.88.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA11202 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 06:41:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsdbob@seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu) Received: (from bsdbob@localhost) by seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02964; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:35:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bsdbob) From: "Robert D. Keys" Message-Id: <199808191335.JAA02964@seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu> Subject: Re: checking amount of disk space left? In-Reply-To: <35DAC6B0.41E84389@athena.ualr.edu> from Joe at "Aug 19, 98 07:36:00 am" To: jeroyce@athena.ualr.edu (Joe) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > And if you run out of disk space, a "rm -r *" will give you all the space you > need...and if you really feel stupid, log in as root and cd to / first.... No sweat.... everyone has done this once or twice, when they weren't paying attention, and trying to clean up major file systems too late at night with too little sleep. It goes with learning unix, and makes one a real believer in actually looking at what you are doing rather than typing hastily along... It kindof leaves you with that great emtpy fs feeling......(:+}}..... I have done it twice, that I remember, unintentionally, in about 20 years of play.... oh, well, that is what dump tapes are for.... RDK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 11:03:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25852 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:03:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alinga.newcastle.edu.au (alinga.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.160.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25834 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from youdaman@reincarnate.com) Received: from reincarnate.com (c9707010@peach1.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.140.219]) by alinga.newcastle.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA01090 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:02:30 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <35DB134F.14A17C@reincarnate.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:02:57 +1000 From: Stewart Heckenberg Reply-To: c9707010@alinga.newcastle.edu.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: New to FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I've recently installed FreeBSD. I use UNIX at Newcastle University, and I wanted to install a UNIX clone on my PC at home. I chose FreeBSD over Linux, as I found the online documentation was much better, and FreeBSD seems a "truer" UNIX clone with more emphasis on a hands-on, under-the-hood attitude. I'm hoping to further my UNIX and programming skills using FreeBSD, and hopefully I'll one day delete Win95 for good - hoorah! :) Cheers, Stewart Heckenberg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 11:14:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27758 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:14:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from info1.info.tampere.fi (info1.info.tampere.fi [212.63.6.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27748 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:14:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lmkjuksi@info1.info.tampere.fi) Received: from info1.info.tampere.fi (pc073.soitto.info.tampere.fi [212.63.8.73]) by info1.info.tampere.fi (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA18760; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:13:27 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <35DB16A5.3CF6289A@info1.info.tampere.fi> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:17:09 +0300 From: "Jukka Similä" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe CC: FreeBSD Newbies List Subject: Re: checking amount of disk space left? References: <35DAC6B0.41E84389@athena.ualr.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe wrote: > > And if you run out of disk space, a "rm -r *" will give you all the space you > need...and if you really feel stupid, log in as root and cd to / first.... And if you think you have nothing to do (or ^ that advice above isn't enough) you can cd to / and chmod -r 777 - I did it once, it was a great fun afterwards. - These advices are actually very useful if you are unemployed. - Don't say nobody warned you, everybody knows that. - Have you noticed, you can get some really good advices between about 71115965327 useless like "don't login as root if you don't need to" .. these "hit the road, jack"- advices are really something! --- Jukka Similä To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 11:15:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28016 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:15:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from beef.cybertouch.org (h24-64-141-183.mt.wave.shaw.ca [24.64.141.183]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27997 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:15:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from beef@beef.cybertouch.org) Received: from localhost (beef@localhost) by beef.cybertouch.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA02868; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:13:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from beef@beef.cybertouch.org) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:13:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Lanny Baron To: Stewart Heckenberg cc: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <35DB134F.14A17C@reincarnate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Stewart, I kinda wonder why you call FreeBSD a clone. But as I understand it, FreeBSD is the free version of Berkely Unix. Anyways I have been *trying* to learn FreeBSD for about 3 years. I am only getting the hand of it now. Let me tell you, it was worth every pain staking minuet. What FreeBSD can do is absolutely amazing. Well I hope you fall in love with FreeBSD as much as I did and still do. lanny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 11:52:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04632 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:52:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alinga.newcastle.edu.au (alinga.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.160.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04613 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:52:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from youdaman@reincarnate.com) Received: from reincarnate.com (c9707010@peach1.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.140.219]) by alinga.newcastle.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA02372; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:51:34 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <35DB1ED6.383CC9DF@reincarnate.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:52:06 +1000 From: Stewart Heckenberg Reply-To: c9707010@alinga.newcastle.edu.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lanny Baron CC: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Lanny Baron wrote: > I kinda wonder why you call FreeBSD a clone. You're absolutely right :) My mistake. Linux is more of a "clone". As for falling in love with FreeBSD, it's still only been a couple of dates and I just hope it'll respect me in the morning :) Cheers, Stewart Heckenberg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 12:27:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13774 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:27:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vanessa.eliuk.org (pme36.sunshine.net [209.17.178.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13756 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:27:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevin_eliuk@sunshine.net) Received: from localhost (cagey@localhost) by vanessa.eliuk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA00432; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:26:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cagey@vanessa.eliuk.org) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:25:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kevin G. Eliuk" Reply-To: "Kevin G. Eliuk" To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jukka_Simil=E4?= cc: Joe , FreeBSD Newbies List Subject: Re: checking amount of disk space left? In-Reply-To: <35DB16A5.3CF6289A@info1.info.tampere.fi> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id MAA13765 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Jukka Similä wrote: => Joe wrote: => > => > And if you run out of disk space, a "rm -r *" will give you all the space you => > need...and if you really feel stupid, log in as root and cd to / first.... => => And if you think you have nothing to do (or ^ that advice above isn't => enough) you can cd to / and chmod -r 777 => => - I did it once, it was a great fun afterwards. => => - These advices are actually very useful if you are unemployed. => => - Don't say nobody warned you, everybody knows that. Did the same same thing accidently with chown, not sure how actually, must have put a space between the `/' and `A' (floppy). Thank god for `mtree'. Saved a few hours of labour. => => - Have you noticed, you can get some really good advices between about => 71115965327 useless like "don't login as root if you don't need to" .. => these "hit the road, jack"- advices are really something! => Don't login as root before your second cup of coffee :) Regards, Kevin G. Eliuk Discover Rock Solid, Discover FreeBSD | http://www.FreeBSD.Org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 13:41:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27046 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:41:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA27028 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:41:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA17743; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 06:39:40 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980820063936.36567@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 06:39:37 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: c9707010@alinga.newcastle.edu.au Cc: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD References: <35DB134F.14A17C@reincarnate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <35DB134F.14A17C@reincarnate.com>; from Stewart Heckenberg on Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 04:02:57AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 04:02:57AM +1000, Stewart Heckenberg wrote: > Hi all, > > I've recently installed FreeBSD. I use UNIX at Newcastle University, and Hey, you're just up the road! Well, next city from Gosford anyway :-) What are you studying there? Are other students running FreeBSD? > I wanted to install a UNIX clone on my PC at home. I chose FreeBSD over > Linux, as I found the online documentation was much better, and FreeBSD > seems a "truer" UNIX clone with more emphasis on a hands-on, > under-the-hood attitude. Under the hood? Well... Linux was a bit like my old suzuki, it did "helpful" things without asking, and I had to get "under the hood" every time I wanted to take it for a run. FreeBSD reminds me more of those ferries we had in Sydney where you travelled in comfort but could peek over a low wall at the engine, or walk down the steps and chat with the blokes there, pass them tools, see how it all works. Ah, the sound of a well tuned machine, the smell of warm grease! > I'm hoping to further my UNIX and programming skills using FreeBSD, and > hopefully I'll one day delete Win95 for good - hoorah! :) Good on you! FreeBSD-questions can help you if you get stuck, and we can point you to the doccos so you don't need too much help. We're all pretty new and like to chat, so let us know how it goes! -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 13:44:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27756 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:44:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA27691 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:43:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (kaput@pm03-05.aei.ca [206.123.6.155]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21108; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DB38DD.84748266@aei.ca> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:43:09 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aleksandar Obradovic CC: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ppp through AOL References: <00cf01bdc0b2$426d1a40$27caae10@obradoa.fnic> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Aleksandar Obradovic wrote: > > Is it possible to set up ppp dialup connection for America On Line? (I am > just interested for a web access, and I'd like to use an existing account). > I dont think so. I think they even dont let you take your e-mails with netscape or Eudora! -- [Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 15:32:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17550 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:32:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17542 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:32:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22853; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:17:39 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19980819221739.44266@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:17:39 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Lanny Baron , Stewart Heckenberg Cc: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD References: <35DB134F.14A17C@reincarnate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Lanny Baron on Wed, Aug 19, 1998 at 02:13:05PM -0400 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 19, 1998 at 02:13:05PM -0400, Lanny Baron wrote: > I kinda wonder why you call FreeBSD a clone. But as I understand it, > FreeBSD is the free version of Berkely Unix. For legal reasons, FreeBSD (and Linux for that matter) can't claim that they *are* 'Unix'. 'Unix-like' is OK. Some people substitute the word 'clone' without meaning it as a derogatory term. FreeBSD is directly descended from 4.3BSD Net/2, everything prior to 2.0 was based on this code (via 386BSD). Version 2.0 (the first version I ever used) included code merged from 4.4BSD lite (which was a version of 'real' 4.4BSD without some critical files included, Novell (I think) thought that not including these files would slow down the free efforts. /usr/share/misc/bsd-family-tree on your system should be informative. In addition, Terry Lambert (terry@lambert.org in mail, he posts to Usenet with the mail address dont@spam.me) who was involved (as an engineer, at Novell, when the lawsuit started (I think, I could be *very* wrong about him working at Novell)) occasionally posts a fair amount it. A DejaNews search for ~g comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc ~a dont@spam.me lawsuit should probably bring up a bunch of postings from him, and you can piece it all together from there. Bottom line -- FreeBSD is not Unix. However, it's a damn site close to it, and together with NetBSD, OpenBSD, and BSDi has (IMHO) a strong moral, if not legal, claim to the title. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 16:47:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01074 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:47:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01067 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:47:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA18375; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:16:15 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA21978; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:15:50 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980820091549.J13676@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:15:49 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: c9707010@alinga.newcastle.edu.au, FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD References: <35DB134F.14A17C@reincarnate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <35DB134F.14A17C@reincarnate.com>; from Stewart Heckenberg on Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 04:02:57AM +1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 20 August 1998 at 4:02:57 +1000, Stewart Heckenberg wrote: > Hi all, > > I've recently installed FreeBSD. I use UNIX at Newcastle University, and > I wanted to install a UNIX clone on my PC at home. I chose FreeBSD over > Linux, as I found the online documentation was much better, and FreeBSD > seems a "truer" UNIX clone with more emphasis on a hands-on, > under-the-hood attitude. > > I'm hoping to further my UNIX and programming skills using FreeBSD, and > hopefully I'll one day delete Win95 for good - hoorah! :) I'll be doing a one-day workshop on installing and configuring FreeBSD at the AUUG Winter conference in Sydney in September. See http://www.auug.org.au/winter/auug98/ for more details. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 16:52:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02126 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:52:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from beef.cybertouch.org (h24-64-141-183.mt.wave.shaw.ca [24.64.141.183]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02113 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:52:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from beef@beef.cybertouch.org) Received: (from beef@localhost) by beef.cybertouch.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01523; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:48:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from beef) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980820091549.J13676@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: beef@cybertouch.org Organization: York Hill Foods From: Lanny Baron To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD Cc: c9707010@alinga.newcastle.edu.au, FreeBSD-Newbies Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 19-Aug-98 Greg Lehey wrote: > > I'll be doing a one-day workshop on installing and configuring FreeBSD > at the AUUG Winter conference in Sydney in September. See > http://www.auug.org.au/winter/auug98/ for more details. Hi Greg, Can i stay at your house? (heh, can yu handle it?) > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers > finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ----- ----- \ / \ / \ / /------\ Pure BEEF / \ | 0 0 | is \ / \ / DELICIOUS \ / \ / OO ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Lanny Baron Date: 19-Aug-98 Time: 19:47:34 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 16:52:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02200 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:52:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02187 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:52:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA18397; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:22:02 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA22009; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:21:48 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980820092147.C21985@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:21:47 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: beef@cybertouch.org Cc: c9707010@alinga.newcastle.edu.au, FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD References: <19980820091549.J13676@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Lanny Baron on Wed, Aug 19, 1998 at 07:48:35PM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 19 August 1998 at 19:48:35 -0400, Lanny Baron wrote: > On 19-Aug-98 Greg Lehey wrote: >> I'll be doing a one-day workshop on installing and configuring FreeBSD >> at the AUUG Winter conference in Sydney in September. See >> http://www.auug.org.au/winter/auug98/ for more details. > > Hi Greg, > > Can i stay at your house? Sure, why not? I'll be in Sydney :-) Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 17:16:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06281 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:16:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06273 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:16:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA18498; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:16:01 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980820101558.30740@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:15:58 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Greg Lehey Cc: c9707010@alinga.newcastle.edu.au, FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD References: <35DB134F.14A17C@reincarnate.com> <19980820091549.J13676@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19980820091549.J13676@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 09:15:49AM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 09:15:49AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Thursday, 20 August 1998 at 4:02:57 +1000, Stewart Heckenberg wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I've recently installed FreeBSD. I use UNIX at Newcastle University, and > > I wanted to install a UNIX clone on my PC at home. I chose FreeBSD over > > Linux, as I found the online documentation was much better, and FreeBSD > > seems a "truer" UNIX clone with more emphasis on a hands-on, > > under-the-hood attitude. > > > > I'm hoping to further my UNIX and programming skills using FreeBSD, and > > hopefully I'll one day delete Win95 for good - hoorah! :) > > I'll be doing a one-day workshop on installing and configuring FreeBSD > at the AUUG Winter conference in Sydney in September. See > http://www.auug.org.au/winter/auug98/ for more details. Quickly if interested. You save $100 by registering this week. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 17:18:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06637 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:18:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06628 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:18:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA18523; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:47:43 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA22091; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:47:31 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980820094730.I21985@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:47:30 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Sue Blake Cc: c9707010@alinga.newcastle.edu.au, FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD References: <35DB134F.14A17C@reincarnate.com> <19980820091549.J13676@freebie.lemis.com> <19980820101558.30740@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19980820101558.30740@welearn.com.au>; from Sue Blake on Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 10:15:58AM +1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 20 August 1998 at 10:15:58 +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 09:15:49AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Thursday, 20 August 1998 at 4:02:57 +1000, Stewart Heckenberg wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I've recently installed FreeBSD. I use UNIX at Newcastle University, and >>> I wanted to install a UNIX clone on my PC at home. I chose FreeBSD over >>> Linux, as I found the online documentation was much better, and FreeBSD >>> seems a "truer" UNIX clone with more emphasis on a hands-on, >>> under-the-hood attitude. >>> >>> I'm hoping to further my UNIX and programming skills using FreeBSD, and >>> hopefully I'll one day delete Win95 for good - hoorah! :) >> >> I'll be doing a one-day workshop on installing and configuring FreeBSD >> at the AUUG Winter conference in Sydney in September. See >> http://www.auug.org.au/winter/auug98/ for more details. > > Quickly if interested. You save $100 by registering this week. And you get a free set of 2.2.6 CD-ROMs :-) Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 17:26:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08067 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from staff.cs.usyd.edu.au (staff.cs.usyd.edu.au [129.78.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA08038 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:26:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mhenry@grey.ug.cs.usyd.edu.au) Message-Id: <199808200026.RAA08038@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:25:51 +1000 (EST) From: "Henry; Michael Kenneth" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980820094730.I21985@freebie.lemis.com> from "Greg Lehey" at Aug 20, 98 09:47:30 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there a discount for students? > > On Thursday, 20 August 1998 at 10:15:58 +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 09:15:49AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> On Thursday, 20 August 1998 at 4:02:57 +1000, Stewart Heckenberg wrote: > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> I've recently installed FreeBSD. I use UNIX at Newcastle University, and > >>> I wanted to install a UNIX clone on my PC at home. I chose FreeBSD over > >>> Linux, as I found the online documentation was much better, and FreeBSD > >>> seems a "truer" UNIX clone with more emphasis on a hands-on, > >>> under-the-hood attitude. > >>> > >>> I'm hoping to further my UNIX and programming skills using FreeBSD, and > >>> hopefully I'll one day delete Win95 for good - hoorah! :) > >> > >> I'll be doing a one-day workshop on installing and configuring FreeBSD > >> at the AUUG Winter conference in Sydney in September. See > >> http://www.auug.org.au/winter/auug98/ for more details. > > > > Quickly if interested. You save $100 by registering this week. > > And you get a free set of 2.2.6 CD-ROMs :-) > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers > finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 17:29:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08506 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:29:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08499 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:29:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA18573; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:58:38 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA22107; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:58:35 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980820095834.J21985@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:58:34 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: "Henry; Michael Kenneth" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD References: <19980820094730.I21985@freebie.lemis.com> <199808200026.JAA18569@allegro.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199808200026.JAA18569@allegro.lemis.com>; from Henry; Michael Kenneth on Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 10:25:51AM +1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 20 August 1998 at 10:25:51 +1000, Henry; Michael Kenneth wrote: >> On Thursday, 20 August 1998 at 10:15:58 +1000, Sue Blake wrote: >>> On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 09:15:49AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >>>> On Thursday, 20 August 1998 at 4:02:57 +1000, Stewart Heckenberg wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I've recently installed FreeBSD. I use UNIX at Newcastle University, and >>>>> I wanted to install a UNIX clone on my PC at home. I chose FreeBSD over >>>>> Linux, as I found the online documentation was much better, and FreeBSD >>>>> seems a "truer" UNIX clone with more emphasis on a hands-on, >>>>> under-the-hood attitude. >>>>> >>>>> I'm hoping to further my UNIX and programming skills using FreeBSD, and >>>>> hopefully I'll one day delete Win95 for good - hoorah! :) >>>> >>>> I'll be doing a one-day workshop on installing and configuring FreeBSD >>>> at the AUUG Winter conference in Sydney in September. See >>>> http://www.auug.org.au/winter/auug98/ for more details. >>> >>> Quickly if interested. You save $100 by registering this week. >> >> And you get a free set of 2.2.6 CD-ROMs :-) > > Is there a discount for students? I'm pretty sure there is. Check the web page for details. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 17:45:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10979 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:45:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10971 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:45:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA18610; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:44:49 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980820104445.63363@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:44:45 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: "Henry; Michael Kenneth" Cc: Greg Lehey , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD References: <19980820094730.I21985@freebie.lemis.com> <199808200026.RAA08038@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199808200026.RAA08038@hub.freebsd.org>; from Henry; Michael Kenneth on Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 10:25:51AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 10:25:51AM +1000, Henry; Michael Kenneth wrote: > > On Thursday, 20 August 1998 at 10:15:58 +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 09:15:49AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > > >> > > >> I'll be doing a one-day workshop on installing and configuring FreeBSD > > >> at the AUUG Winter conference in Sydney in September. See > > >> http://www.auug.org.au/winter/auug98/ for more details. > > > > > > Quickly if interested. You save $100 by registering this week. > > > > And you get a free set of 2.2.6 CD-ROMs :-) > > > Is there a discount for students? Yes, a big discount for students, but it still costs enough that you'll really want to save that $100 if you can. Check the web site, pronto. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 18:21:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17717 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:21:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kt.rim.or.jp (mail.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17712 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:21:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daniel@kt.rim.or.jp) Received: from periscope (ppp091.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.139.91]) by mail.kt.rim.or.jp (8.8.5/3.6W-RIMNET-98-06-09) with SMTP id KAA10513; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:20:46 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <003701bdcbd8$ec3fcaa0$5b8bf7ca@periscope.digital-canvas.com> Reply-To: "Daniel Minoru Saito" From: "Daniel Minoru Saito" To: "Joe" , "FreeBSD Newbies List" Subject: Re: checking amount of disk space left? Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:21:55 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't feel that is a responsible thread you are starting Joe. Granted that you are posting in FreeBSD Newbies -- There is a chance that someone might "inactuality" do this. So please for future threads such as this. Take moral sense of responsibility in conducting posting such as this. Looking at the fact that the people that are reading this mailinglist are "newbies".. Daniel Saito "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets or steal bread." -- Anatole France (1844-1924), French author. The Red Lily, ch. 7 (1894). -----Original Message----- From: Joe Subject: Re: checking amount of disk space left? >And if you run out of disk space, a "rm -r *" will give you all the space you >need...and if you really feel stupid, log in as root and cd to / first.... > > > >Salvatore Greco wrote: > >> Hiya >> >> df -k will give all of the filesystem's mounted and their disk usage and free >> space. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 18:38:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19781 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:38:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kt.rim.or.jp (mail.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19774 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:38:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daniel@kt.rim.or.jp) Received: from periscope (ppp091.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.139.91]) by mail.kt.rim.or.jp (8.8.5/3.6W-RIMNET-98-06-09) with SMTP id KAA13708; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:37:08 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <004401bdcbdb$353a4710$5b8bf7ca@periscope.digital-canvas.com> Reply-To: "Daniel Minoru Saito" From: "Daniel Minoru Saito" To: "Sue Blake" , "Henry; Michael Kenneth" Cc: "Greg Lehey" , Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:38:16 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org two words: kill thread. If they want to see details they would see the page. Thanks Daniel -----Original Message----- From: Sue Blake To: Henry; Michael Kenneth Cc: Greg Lehey ; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 10:32 AM Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD >On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 10:25:51AM +1000, Henry; Michael Kenneth wrote: >> > On Thursday, 20 August 1998 at 10:15:58 +1000, Sue Blake wrote: >> > > On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 09:15:49AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >> > >> >> > >> I'll be doing a one-day workshop on installing and configuring FreeBSD >> > >> at the AUUG Winter conference in Sydney in September. See >> > >> http://www.auug.org.au/winter/auug98/ for more details. >> > > >> > > Quickly if interested. You save $100 by registering this week. >> > >> > And you get a free set of 2.2.6 CD-ROMs :-) >> > >> Is there a discount for students? > >Yes, a big discount for students, but it still costs enough that you'll >really want to save that $100 if you can. Check the web site, pronto. > > >-- > >Regards, > -*Sue*- > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 18:54:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21636 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:54:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hwcn.org (james.hwcn.org [199.212.94.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21623 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:54:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by hwcn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA21131; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:51:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Nik Clayton cc: Lanny Baron , Stewart Heckenberg , FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <19980819221739.44266@nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Nik Clayton wrote: > FreeBSD is directly descended from 4.3BSD Net/2, everything prior to 2.0 > was based on this code (via 386BSD). Version 2.0 (the first version I If you go looking through the FreeBSD source code for long enough, you might find a comment like this, /* * colcrt - replaces col for crts with new nroff esp. when using tbl. * Bill Joy UCB July 14, 1977 */ Some people weren't even born 'till another couple years after that. ;-) -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 19:00:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA22627 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:00:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA22595 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:00:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA18885; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:59:24 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980820115919.17940@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:59:19 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Daniel Minoru Saito Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD References: <004401bdcbdb$353a4710$5b8bf7ca@periscope.digital-canvas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <004401bdcbdb$353a4710$5b8bf7ca@periscope.digital-canvas.com>; from Daniel Minoru Saito on Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 10:38:16AM +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 10:38:16AM +0900, Daniel Minoru Saito wrote: > > two words: kill thread. > > If they want to see details they would see the page. No doubt they have by now :-) What would you like to talk about? Have you done anything interesting with FreeBSD lately? Got any comments on the Newbies web page? -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 20:15:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00782 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:15:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mbox.ualr.edu (mbox.ualr.edu [144.167.10.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA00770 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:15:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeroyce@athena.ualr.edu) Received: from odin.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU (PMDF V4.2-11 #15587) id <01J0SXRWP49S0084D1@UALR.EDU>; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:14:29 CDT Received: from athena.ualr.edu ([144.167.7.1]) by athena.ualr.edu with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:14:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:14:17 -0500 From: Joe Subject: Re: checking amount of disk space left? To: Daniel Minoru Saito , FreeBSD Newbies List Message-id: <35DB9488.CBF4F0DA@athena.ualr.edu> X-Envelope-to: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i686) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <003701bdcbd8$ec3fcaa0$5b8bf7ca@periscope.digital-canvas.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pardon me for trying to invoke a little humor; I assumed that anyone using FreeBSD was intelligent enough to recognize a little sarcasism. Well, you know what they say about assuming....it makes an ASS out of U and ME. ATTENTION ALL NEWBIES: Do not, I say, do not log in as root and and issue the command "rm -r *" unless you really want to have a bad day. Disclaimer: None of these opinions are mine or anyone elses. Elvis is king! "Thank you, thank you very much" - Elvis, 1935-1977 Daniel Minoru Saito wrote: > I don't feel that is a responsible thread you are starting Joe. Granted > that you are posting in FreeBSD Newbies -- There is a chance that someone > might "inactuality" do this. So please for future threads such as this. > Take moral sense of responsibility in conducting posting such as this. > Looking at the fact that the people that are reading this mailinglist are > "newbies".. > > Daniel Saito > > "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep > under bridges, beg in the streets or steal bread." -- Anatole France > (1844-1924), French author. The Red Lily, ch. 7 (1894). > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe > Subject: Re: checking amount of disk space left? > > >And if you run out of disk space, a "rm -r *" will give you all the space > you > >need...and if you really feel stupid, log in as root and cd to / first.... > > > > > > > >Salvatore Greco wrote: > > > >> Hiya > >> > >> df -k will give all of the filesystem's mounted and their disk usage and > free > >> space. -- There are no secret messages in this signature file. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 20:22:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01876 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:22:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mbox.ualr.edu (mbox.ualr.edu [144.167.10.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01871 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:22:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeroyce@athena.ualr.edu) Received: from athena.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU (PMDF V4.2-11 #15587) id <01J0SY263AQO007ZHA@UALR.EDU>; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:21:59 CDT Received: from athena.ualr.edu ([144.167.7.1]) by athena.ualr.edu with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:21:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:21:48 -0500 From: Joe Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD To: Daniel Minoru Saito , FreeBSD Newbies List Message-id: <35DB964C.7DE26D95@athena.ualr.edu> X-Envelope-to: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i686) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <004401bdcbdb$353a4710$5b8bf7ca@periscope.digital-canvas.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org One word: unsubscribe. If you don't want to see it, don't subscribe to the list. Daniel Minoru Saito wrote: > two words: kill thread. > > If they want to see details they would see the page. > > Thanks > > Daniel > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sue Blake > To: Henry; Michael Kenneth > Cc: Greg Lehey ; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > > Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 10:32 AM > Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD > > >On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 10:25:51AM +1000, Henry; Michael Kenneth wrote: > >> > On Thursday, 20 August 1998 at 10:15:58 +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > >> > > On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 09:15:49AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> I'll be doing a one-day workshop on installing and configuring > FreeBSD > >> > >> at the AUUG Winter conference in Sydney in September. See > >> > >> http://www.auug.org.au/winter/auug98/ for more details. > >> > > > >> > > Quickly if interested. You save $100 by registering this week. > >> > > >> > And you get a free set of 2.2.6 CD-ROMs :-) > >> > > >> Is there a discount for students? > > > >Yes, a big discount for students, but it still costs enough that you'll > >really want to save that $100 if you can. Check the web site, pronto. > > > > > >-- > > > >Regards, > > -*Sue*- > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- There are no secret messages in this signature file. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 20:31:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA03033 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:31:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca (hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca [207.107.250.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA03016 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:31:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grgaud@pop3.sprint.ca) Received: from grgaud (spc-isp-ott-uas-15-5.sprint.ca [209.103.35.206]) by hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA26690 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980819233036.0079bc30@pop3.sprint.ca> X-Sender: grgaud@pop3.sprint.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:30:36 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G.R. Gaudreau" Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <19980820115919.17940@welearn.com.au> References: <004401bdcbdb$353a4710$5b8bf7ca@periscope.digital-canvas.com> <004401bdcbdb$353a4710$5b8bf7ca@periscope.digital-canvas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:59 AM 8/20/98 +1000, Sue Blake wrote: >On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 10:38:16AM +0900, Daniel Minoru Saito wrote: >> >> two words: kill thread. One word: thank you! Have you noticed that three out of two people don't know how to count? ;o) >> If they want to see details they would see the page. > >No doubt they have by now :-) > >What would you like to talk about? >Have you done anything interesting with FreeBSD lately? >Got any comments on the Newbies web page? Where IS the newbies web page? G.R. Gaudreau grgaud@sprint.ca http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5783/ President of Dooless & Seemore A subsidiary of Footloose Fancyfree & Dunworkin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 20:43:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA04840 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:43:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from staff.cs.usyd.edu.au (staff.cs.usyd.edu.au [129.78.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA04827 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:43:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mhenry@grey.ug.cs.usyd.edu.au) Message-Id: <199808200343.UAA04827@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:42:23 +1000 (EST) From: "Michael Henry" In-Reply-To: <19980820115919.17940@welearn.com.au> from "Sue Blake" at Aug 20, 98 11:59:19 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue said: > What would you like to talk about? > Have you done anything interesting with FreeBSD lately? > Got any comments on the Newbies web page? Well, I've got an easy to use Graphics library installed on my system. You can get it from: http://www.cs.usyd.edu.au/~loki/graphapp Only requirements are a knowledge of C or C++. There is a tutorial at the site, and a bunch of example programs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 21:13:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA09980 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:13:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mbox.ualr.edu (mbox.ualr.edu [144.167.10.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA09973 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:13:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeroyce@athena.ualr.edu) Received: from athena.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU (PMDF V4.2-11 #15587) id <01J0SZSUA9K0008G9A@UALR.EDU>; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:12:30 CDT Received: from athena.ualr.edu ([144.167.7.1]) by athena.ualr.edu with ESMTP for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:12:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:12:26 -0500 From: Joe Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD To: FreeBSD Newbies List Message-id: <35DBA22A.1651240E@athena.ualr.edu> X-Envelope-to: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i686) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <001c01bdcbec$289fbec0$5f8bf7ca@periscope.digital-canvas.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org These lists are for people to have that kind of discussion. Just because it has nothing to do with you or I does not mean you have to post a message to take it elsewhere. Besides, it sounds like something I would go to if it were close to home. Anybody planning on doing a FreeBSD workshop in the states? Daniel Minoru Saito wrote: > Joe Joe Joe.. have I picked a bad bone with you I was just pointing out the > fact that should be local talk. Most of these people have .au address > granted that the people discussing about this are Australian based. Granted > you and or I are from somewhere other than Australia, it doesn't concern us. > Primarily, thats my point. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe > Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Sue Blake > >> Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD > >> > >> >> > >> at the AUUG Winter conference in Sydney in September. See > >> >> > >> http://www.auug.org.au/winter/auug98/ for more details. -- There are no secret messages in this signature file. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 21:43:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA14126 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:43:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA14107 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:43:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA19513; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:42:30 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980820144227.46900@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:42:27 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Joe Cc: FreeBSD Newbies List Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD References: <001c01bdcbec$289fbec0$5f8bf7ca@periscope.digital-canvas.com> <35DBA22A.1651240E@athena.ualr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <35DBA22A.1651240E@athena.ualr.edu>; from Joe on Wed, Aug 19, 1998 at 11:12:26PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 19, 1998 at 11:12:26PM -0500, Joe wrote: > These lists are for people to have that kind of discussion. Just because it > has nothing to do with you or I does not mean you have to post a message to > take it elsewhere. Besides, it sounds like something I would go to if it were > close to home. Anybody planning on doing a FreeBSD workshop in the states? > > Daniel Minoru Saito wrote: > > > Joe Joe Joe.. have I picked a bad bone with you I was just pointing out the > > fact that should be local talk. Most of these people have .au address > > granted that the people discussing about this are Australian based. Granted > > you and or I are from somewhere other than Australia, it doesn't concern us. > > Primarily, thats my point. > > > > Dan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe > > Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Sue Blake > > >> Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD > > >> > > >> >> > >> at the AUUG Winter conference in Sydney in September. See > > >> >> > >> http://www.auug.org.au/winter/auug98/ for more details. I have two things to say on this: 1. FreeBSD belongs to the world. Items of local interest have always been seen as appropriate for this and all other FreeBSD lists. Now maybe that only started because the "local interest" area was the USA, but the precedent has been set. In fact, we've enjoyed many disucssions relating specifically to what's going on in Canada, or Thailand, or on one day in one room in one suburb of one USA city. It's too late to stop now, even if we wanted to. 2. Americans and others will attend this conference, just as Australians attended USENIX (you know, that highly local event that speckled the lists for weeks a while ago). We seem to value community more than reducing the number of interactions. That's the way it is 'round here. 3. In Australia, and in other places where microsoft is not used, we read quoted email from the top to the bottom :-) 4. I can't count. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 21:59:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16827 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:59:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16821 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:59:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA19561; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:58:14 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980820145810.22143@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:58:10 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Michael Henry Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD References: <19980820115919.17940@welearn.com.au> <199808200343.UAA04827@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199808200343.UAA04827@hub.freebsd.org>; from Michael Henry on Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 01:42:23PM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 01:42:23PM +1000, Michael Henry wrote: > Sue said: > > > What would you like to talk about? > > Have you done anything interesting with FreeBSD lately? > > Got any comments on the Newbies web page? > > Well, I've got an easy to use Graphics library installed on my > system. You can get it from: > > http://www.cs.usyd.edu.au/~loki/graphapp > > Only requirements are a knowledge of C or C++. There is a tutorial at > the site, and a bunch of example programs. Oh :-( I'm a bit too newbie for that but some others might pipe in. A few newbies have mentioned being interested in learning C, and I came up with an idea for doing it on line but haven't filled in all the details yet. If you're intending to learn C, especially if you'll be teaching yourself, take a peek at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/StudyGroup/ in a couple of hours and let me know what you think. Learning C isn't really a FreeBSD topic, but it's a closely related interest of many newbies. Write to me off the list if you want to discuss the details or tell me why it won't work. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 22:11:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA18403 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:11:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mbox.ualr.edu (mbox.ualr.edu [144.167.10.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA18390 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:11:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeroyce@athena.ualr.edu) Received: from athena.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU (PMDF V4.2-11 #15587) id <01J0T1TV0QPC008AP7@UALR.EDU>; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:10:35 CDT Received: from athena.ualr.edu ([144.167.7.1]) by athena.ualr.edu with ESMTP; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 0:10:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:10:26 -0500 From: Joe Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD To: bear@pacificnet.net, FreeBSD Newbies List Message-id: <35DBAFC1.8BE5DD13@athena.ualr.edu> X-Envelope-to: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i686) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <001c01bdcbec$289fbec0$5f8bf7ca@periscope.digital-canvas.com> <3.0.1.32.19980819215523.006cb468@pacificnet.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Not too far from Bill Clinton's home town, Arkansas. (He's lying, he didn't have sex with Monica, sniff, sniff) bear@pacificnet.net wrote: > At 11:12 PM 8/19/98 -0500, you wrote: > >These lists are for people to have that kind of discussion. Just because it > >has nothing to do with you or I does not mean you have to post a message to > >take it elsewhere. Besides, it sounds like something I would go to if it were > >close to home. Anybody planning on doing a FreeBSD workshop in the states? > > where in the states are you? -- There are no secret messages in this signature file. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 22:18:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA19700 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:18:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA19693 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:18:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uusite!ANGUSSF@baygull.rtd.com) Received: from uusite.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) with UUCP id WAA11756 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:20:36 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199808200520.WAA11756@baygull.rtd.com> Received: by sf.geoapps.com (MG PM3-Waf 3.42D); Wed, 19 Aug 98 22:10:33 -0700 (MST) From: "Angus Scott-Fleming" Organization: GeoApps To: Greg Lehey Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:58:17 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD Reply-to: angussf@geoapps.com CC: FreeBSD-Newbies In-reply-to: <19980820092147.C21985@freebie.lemis.com> References: ; from Lanny Baron on Wed, Aug 19, 1998 at 07:48:35PM -0400 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 20 Aug 98 at 9:21, Greg Lehey wrote: > > Can i stay at your house? > > Sure, why not? I'll be in Sydney :-) ba-da-BING! ---- Angus Scott-Fleming, GeoApplications angussf@geoapps.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 22:28:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA21213 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:28:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA21201 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:28:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19665; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:27:38 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980820152734.30618@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:27:34 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: nethack... still... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A while ago we had a few people here expressing frustration with nethack (the game). Either they installed from the package and it wouldn't run, or they couldn't build the port on a system without X. A small fix for the package has been submitted, and might be avialable soon. A simpler way could be to install the port instead. In order to learn about ports (that's my excuse) I've been pulling the nethack port apart, and I think I've worked out how to make it X-less and add a few improvements for the hardware-challenged among us. There doesn't seem to be enough interest in low-tech computing to add yet another nethack port, so if you are having this problem (can't build nethack because it requires X), please let me know. If I stop responding to email you'll know it blew up in my face :-) If you have specific questions about nethack, especially where I could give a technically incorrect response, please write to me and cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org (not -newbies). -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 22:40:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22651 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:40:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22604 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevink@mindless.com) From: kevink@mindless.com Received: from hellhole (ppp-207-214-212-6.sntc01.pacbell.net [207.214.212.6]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id BAA02719; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980819005458.006931c0@pop.netaddress.com> X-Sender: gekk0@pop.netaddress.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:54:58 -0700 To: Sue Blake Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980820144227.46900@welearn.com.au> References: <35DBA22A.1651240E@athena.ualr.edu> <001c01bdcbec$289fbec0$5f8bf7ca@periscope.digital-canvas.com> <35DBA22A.1651240E@athena.ualr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi... Why pick on us Americans? Dan is from .jp (last time I check, Japan was a different country than that of the USA). Starting a .xxx origin war is stupid, and THAT has definatly nothing to do with FreeBSD, and here I am contributing to it. >I have two things to say on this: > >1. FreeBSD belongs to the world. Items of local interest have always > been seen as appropriate for this and all other FreeBSD lists. Now > maybe that only started because the "local interest" area was the USA, > but the precedent has been set. In fact, we've enjoyed many > disucssions relating specifically to what's going on in Canada, or > Thailand, or on one day in one room in one suburb of one USA city. > It's too late to stop now, even if we wanted to. > >2. Americans and others will attend this conference, just as Australians > attended USENIX (you know, that highly local event that speckled the > lists for weeks a while ago). We seem to value community more than > reducing the number of interactions. That's the way it is 'round here. > >3. In Australia, and in other places where microsoft is not used, > we read quoted email from the top to the bottom :-) > >4. I can't count. > > >-- > >Regards, > -*Sue*- > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > ------------- gekk0@usa.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 22:45:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA23115 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:45:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mbox.ualr.edu (mbox.ualr.edu [144.167.10.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA23110 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:45:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeroyce@athena.ualr.edu) Received: from athena.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU (PMDF V4.2-11 #15587) id <01J0T31HT68G0081F6@UALR.EDU>; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:44:59 CDT Received: from athena.ualr.edu ([144.167.7.1]) by athena.ualr.edu with ESMTP for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 0:44:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:44:56 -0500 From: Joe Subject: In lieu of recent posts... To: FreeBSD Newbies List Message-id: <35DBB7D8.437F2CE3@athena.ualr.edu> X-Envelope-to: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i686) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would like to make a recommendation for an excellent site of Unix resources (including FreeBSD). http://www.ugu.com They recently added tutorials for learning system administration; a must for any newbie. Plus there is alot of info on almost every flavor of unix (including FreeBSD), administration, security, programming, etc....loads of info. (Do I get a free t-shirt now?) -- There are no secret messages in this signature file. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 22:53:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA24411 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:53:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24406 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:53:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19761; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:52:45 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980820155242.38231@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:52:42 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: kevink@mindless.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD References: <35DBA22A.1651240E@athena.ualr.edu> <001c01bdcbec$289fbec0$5f8bf7ca@periscope.digital-canvas.com> <35DBA22A.1651240E@athena.ualr.edu> <19980820144227.46900@welearn.com.au> <3.0.1.32.19980819005458.006931c0@pop.netaddress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980819005458.006931c0@pop.netaddress.com>; from kevink@mindless.com on Wed, Aug 19, 1998 at 12:54:58AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 19, 1998 at 12:54:58AM -0700, kevink@mindless.com wrote: > Hi... > > Why pick on us Americans? Dan is from .jp (last time I check, Japan was > a different country than that of the USA). Glad to hear it :-) > Starting a .xxx origin war is stupid, and THAT has definatly nothing to do > with FreeBSD, and here I am contributing to it. No, you're not. The point is that although it started in the USA and spread from there, nobody gives a damn where people are from, or how localised news is. Some people find the mail volume takes some getting used to, that's all. There is nothing to quarrel over. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 23:06:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA26706 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:06:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mbox.ualr.edu (mbox.ualr.edu [144.167.10.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA26690 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:06:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeroyce@athena.ualr.edu) Received: from athena.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU (PMDF V4.2-11 #15587) id <01J0T3RA6V6O008AZA@UALR.EDU>; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:05:47 CDT Received: from athena.ualr.edu ([144.167.7.1]) by athena.ualr.edu with ESMTP; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 1:05:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:05:36 -0500 From: Joe Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD To: Sue Blake , FreeBSD Newbies List Message-id: <35DBBCB0.BF132171@athena.ualr.edu> X-Envelope-to: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i686) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <19980820115919.17940@welearn.com.au> <199808200343.UAA04827@hub.freebsd.org> <19980820145810.22143@welearn.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > Learning C isn't really a FreeBSD topic, but it's a closely related > interest of many newbies. Write to me off the list if you want to > discuss the details or tell me why it won't work. > > Not true. Have you checked out the hackers list? They speak in C. They're trying to solve the 64 bit time_t problem right now. And you thought our little flame wars were bad. I'm in a data structures class right now; I would be glad to discuss learning to program in C, what little I know. -- There are no secret messages in this signature file. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 23:18:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA29154 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:18:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA29145 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:18:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: (from hamellr@localhost) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id XAA25292; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:15:39 -0700 (PDT) From: rick hamell cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <19980820155242.38231@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > No, you're not. The point is that although it started in the USA and > spread from there, nobody gives a damn where people are from, or how > localised news is. Some people find the mail volume takes some getting > used to, that's all. There is nothing to quarrel over. And then there are the masochists like me who LOVE having tons of e-mail to read...:) I like to log onto my computer at work, open up Pine, and mutter out loud, "Dang, only 100 new messages in the last 20 minutes!" On the same token, I love hearing what's going on in other parts of the country, it's my substitute for not being able to afford to travel much. :) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 19 23:46:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA03357 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:46:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA03318 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:46:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA19929; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:45:43 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980820164539.43808@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:45:39 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Joe Cc: FreeBSD Newbies List Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD References: <19980820115919.17940@welearn.com.au> <199808200343.UAA04827@hub.freebsd.org> <19980820145810.22143@welearn.com.au> <35DBBCB0.BF132171@athena.ualr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <35DBBCB0.BF132171@athena.ualr.edu>; from Joe on Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 01:05:36AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 01:05:36AM -0500, Joe wrote: > Sue Blake wrote: > > > Learning C isn't really a FreeBSD topic, but it's a closely related > > interest of many newbies. Write to me off the list if you want to > > discuss the details or tell me why it won't work. > > Not true. Have you checked out the hackers list? They speak in C. They're trying > to solve the 64 bit time_t problem right now. And you thought our little flame > wars were bad. Hehe. Well, in -hackers it's related specifically to working on FreeBSD, and they happen to do it with C for obvious reasons. I wouldn't expect to go to a fashion show and watch sexy sewing machines wheeling themselves along the catwalk, would you? (Actually, I'd be much more interested in the machines but you might prefer women.) If help with learning C belongs in any list, it'd be freebsd-questions. Freebsd-newbies is completely non-technical so it doesn't belong here once it gets past naming study resources and general approaches like whether to do a part time course or not. The project I referred to, if it proceeds, is one of my few activities that is not a freebsd-related project, and there is a separate forum for its discussion. Be prepared to be nice to users of "inferior" operating systems :-) > I'm in a data structures class right now; I would be glad to discuss learning to > program in C, what little I know. Great! I haven't seen beginner questions on C programming exercises in freebsd-questions yet, but if others there believe that it should be a part of FreeBSD support then I'm sure your assistance would be appreciated in freebsd-questions. I know, for example, that occasional unix quesitons are dealt with but generally people go to unix newsgroups for that and leave -questions more for FreeBSD stuff. If any of the Wise Ones who keep freebsd-questions running happen to be lurking and have an opinion, please pipe in because I can't speak for how far you are prepared to go. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 20 05:23:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA08497 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 05:23:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca (hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca [207.107.250.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA08475 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 05:23:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grgaud@pop3.sprint.ca) Received: from grgaud (spc-isp-ott-uas-04-42.sprint.ca [209.103.29.193]) by hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA13960; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980820082230.0079e7b0@pop3.sprint.ca> X-Sender: grgaud@pop3.sprint.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:22:30 -0400 To: Sue Blake , Joe From: "G.R. Gaudreau" Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD Cc: FreeBSD Newbies List In-Reply-To: <19980820144227.46900@welearn.com.au> References: <35DBA22A.1651240E@athena.ualr.edu> <001c01bdcbec$289fbec0$5f8bf7ca@periscope.digital-canvas.com> <35DBA22A.1651240E@athena.ualr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:42 PM 8/20/98 +1000, Sue Blake wrote: >I have two things to say on this: > >1. FreeBSD belongs to the world. Items of local interest have always > been seen as appropriate for this and all other FreeBSD lists. Now > maybe that only started because the "local interest" area was the USA, > but the precedent has been set. In fact, we've enjoyed many > disucssions relating specifically to what's going on in Canada, or > Thailand, or on one day in one room in one suburb of one USA city. > It's too late to stop now, even if we wanted to. 1. You're absolutely right Sue, only you have to be indulgent with Americans. They're used to thinking in terms of "what's good for America is good for the world," so their "local events" are actually world events which they can talk about; but your local event is... well, a local event. You have to learn to think big, like you American friends, and call it a first-ever world-wide event. Then it'll be acceptable. ;o) >2. Americans and others will attend this conference, just as Australians > attended USENIX (you know, that highly local event that speckled the > lists for weeks a while ago). We seem to value community more than > reducing the number of interactions. That's the way it is 'round here. 2. No no Sue! Think BIG! The USENIX event was a world-wide event. ;o) >3. In Australia, and in other places where microsoft is not used, > we read quoted email from the top to the bottom :-) 3. Microsoft isn't used in Australia?!?!? Wow!!! You people are very intelligent. I think I'll move to Australia. Btw, seen any good goanas lately? >4. I can't count. 5. Neither can I. G.R. Gaudreau grgaud@sprint.ca http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5783/ President of Dooless & Seemore A subsidiary of Footloose Fancyfree & Dunworkin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 20 05:36:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA10369 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 05:36:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from beef.cybertouch.org (h24-64-141-183.mt.wave.shaw.ca [24.64.141.183]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA10358 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 05:36:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from beef@beef.cybertouch.org) Received: (from beef@localhost) by beef.cybertouch.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03088; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:34:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from beef) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980819005458.006931c0@pop.netaddress.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: beef@cybertouch.org Organization: York Hill Foods From: Lanny Baron To: kevink@mindless.com Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, Sue Blake Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 19-Aug-98 kevink@mindless.com wrote: > Hi... > > Why pick on us Americans? Dan is from .jp (last time I check, Japan was > a different country than that of the USA). > > >>3. In Australia, and in other places where microsoft is not used, >> we read quoted email from the top to the bottom :-) >> >>4. I can't count. >> >> >>-- >> >>Regards, >> -*Sue*- >> >> The motto for my now ex defunct isp business was: WELCOME TO THE GLOBAL VILLAGE for in our internet community is that not what we really are? lanny ----- ----- \ / \ / \ / /------\ Pure BEEF / \ | 0 0 | is \ / \ / DELICIOUS \ / \ / OO ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Lanny Baron Date: 20-Aug-98 Time: 08:32:27 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 20 05:37:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA10483 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 05:37:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca (hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca [207.107.250.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA10457 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 05:37:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grgaud@pop3.sprint.ca) Received: from grgaud (spc-isp-ott-uas-04-42.sprint.ca [209.103.29.193]) by hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA15712 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980820083638.0079f4e0@pop3.sprint.ca> X-Sender: grgaud@pop3.sprint.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:36:38 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G.R. Gaudreau" Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <19980820145810.22143@welearn.com.au> References: <199808200343.UAA04827@hub.freebsd.org> <19980820115919.17940@welearn.com.au> <199808200343.UAA04827@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:58 PM 8/20/98 +1000, Sue Blake wrote: >Oh :-( I'm a bit too newbie for that but some others might pipe in. > >A few newbies have mentioned being interested in learning C, and I came >up with an idea for doing it on line but haven't filled in all the details yet. > >If you're intending to learn C, especially if you'll be teaching >yourself, take a peek at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/StudyGroup/ >in a couple of hours and let me know what you think. > >Learning C isn't really a FreeBSD topic, but it's a closely related >interest of many newbies. Write to me off the list if you want to >discuss the details or tell me why it won't work. On this last point Sue, I beg to differ. C is related to FreeBSD newbies, because: 1) simply because it's an integral part of the FreeBSD package, that some newbies might wnat to play around with. You know how kids are: they like to play with fire. ;o) 2) because, as you mentioned, C is of interest to some Newbies and 3) because FreeBSD, if I'm not mistaken, is entirely written in C. Imho, that makes it a topic suitable for discussion on this list. Beside, you shouldn't be intimidated by people who are picky about what subjects we write about on this list. ;o) G.R. Gaudreau grgaud@sprint.ca http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5783/ President of Dooless & Seemore A subsidiary of Footloose Fancyfree & Dunworkin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 20 09:56:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11413 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:56:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11399 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:56:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (aeiusrI-09.aei.ca [206.186.205.159]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20677 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DC550F.3E76A4F3@aei.ca> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:55:43 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: URL and Opinions on how to really learn something Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've readed all your post about learning FreeBSD, C and other thing like that. I've learned than I cannot learn with a teacher. I need some characters on a screen or on paper. But before that, I was lazy and I was crying around for some easy way to learn. But sorry, you need to sit down, read, try and crash your system. I also found than Xwindows make me feel lazy and play with netscape and tkirc! So I deleted Xfree. Hey, Unix is Command Line Interface.. Lynx rocks! -Best for beginner http://www.geek-girl.com/Unixhelp/ -the UNIX Reference Desk http://www.geek-girl.com/unix.html -Unix Guru Universe---beginners http://www.ugu.com/sui/ugu/show?I=help.beginners&F=1111111111&G=Y Vi: http://www.linuxbox.com/~taylor/4ltrwrd/ C: ftp://scitsc.wlv.ac.uk/pub/cprog/prog.course.wlv./ http://arachnid.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/C/CE.html The main thing I hate with Unix is than there is no standarisation, so you need to read a lot of stuff who do not really matter about such and such situation (exemple: sh vs csh, will I learn both? Do I need to learn both? Also System V vs BSD vs AIX vs HP-UX etc...: they always give a lot of documentation on both way in the same document, this is why my old Oreilly book have 500 pages on Unix, and only ½ of them apply for BSD, if not less) Hope it will help -- [Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 20 10:39:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18520 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:39:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from superior.mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [208.138.27.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18512 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:39:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23085; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:38:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Message-ID: <19980820103846.A23037@mooseriver.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:38:46 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: Malartre , FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: URL and Opinions on how to really learn something Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com References: <35DC550F.3E76A4F3@aei.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <35DC550F.3E76A4F3@aei.ca>; from Malartre on Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 12:55:43PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 12:55:43PM -0400, Malartre wrote: > I've readed all your post about learning FreeBSD, C and other thing like > that. I've learned than I cannot learn with a teacher. I need some > characters on a screen or on paper. But before that, I was lazy and I > was crying around for some easy way to learn. But sorry, you need to sit > down, read, try and crash your system. I also found than Xwindows make > me feel lazy and play with netscape and tkirc! So I deleted Xfree. > Hey, Unix is Command Line Interface.. Lynx rocks! > > -Best for beginner > http://www.geek-girl.com/Unixhelp/ > > -the UNIX Reference Desk > http://www.geek-girl.com/unix.html > > -Unix Guru Universe---beginners > http://www.ugu.com/sui/ugu/show?I=help.beginners&F=1111111111&G=Y > > Vi: > http://www.linuxbox.com/~taylor/4ltrwrd/ > > C: > ftp://scitsc.wlv.ac.uk/pub/cprog/prog.course.wlv./ > http://arachnid.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/C/CE.html I would also add http://www.lysator.liu.se/c/ Henry Spencer's "The Ten Commandments for C Programmers" should be required reading. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.7 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 20 14:52:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02728 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:52:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02704 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:52:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA21987; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:51:35 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980821075129.08175@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:51:29 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: "G.R. Gaudreau" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD References: <004401bdcbdb$353a4710$5b8bf7ca@periscope.digital-canvas.com> <004401bdcbdb$353a4710$5b8bf7ca@periscope.digital-canvas.com> <19980820115919.17940@welearn.com.au> <3.0.5.32.19980819233036.0079bc30@pop3.sprint.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980819233036.0079bc30@pop3.sprint.ca>; from G.R. Gaudreau on Wed, Aug 19, 1998 at 11:30:36PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 19, 1998 at 11:30:36PM -0400, G.R. Gaudreau wrote: > > Where IS the newbies web page? http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html Or use the site index at the site and look up "newbies". Or read the weekly posting to freebsd-newbies which gives this and other handy URLs. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 20 15:27:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10180 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:27:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10172 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:27:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA22142; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:26:11 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980821082608.23489@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:26:08 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Malartre Cc: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: URL and Opinions on how to really learn something References: <35DC550F.3E76A4F3@aei.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <35DC550F.3E76A4F3@aei.ca>; from Malartre on Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 12:55:43PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 12:55:43PM -0400, Malartre wrote: > > The main thing I hate with Unix is than there is no standarisation, so > you need to read a lot of stuff who do not really matter about such and > such situation (exemple: sh vs csh, will I learn both? Do I need to > learn both? Also System V vs BSD vs AIX vs HP-UX etc...: they always > give a lot of documentation on both way in the same document, this is > why my old Oreilly book have 500 pages on Unix, and only ½ of them apply > for BSD, if not less) > Hope it will help You've hit the nail on the head. While there's a lot of resources around, it is very difficult to find and select those that are worth recommending. A good example is unix guides for beginners. There's thousands of them, but which ones are good? Someone who knows absolutely nothing about unix can't judge very well, and it takes a lot of time to look through a large list of them. What should a basic introductory unix guide for new FreeBSD users offer? Off the top of my head... - make no assumptions about prior knowledge (or state them up front) - contain no errors - relevant to my system (FreeBSD) - relevant to my configuration (e.g. describes the same shell) - easy to understand, good pace - explain concepts as well as how-to - demonstrate how to use the concepts to expand on learned skills - show how what is learned can be put into daily use - make me feel confident, not stupid - suggest where to go to learn more Anything else? -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 20 18:58:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10844 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:58:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10822 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:58:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (kaput@[207.107.48.93]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00890; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DCD40B.65EB9E16@aei.ca> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:57:31 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake CC: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: URL and Opinions on how to really learn something References: <35DC550F.3E76A4F3@aei.ca> <19980821082608.23489@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 12:55:43PM -0400, Malartre wrote: > > > > The main thing I hate with Unix is than there is no standarisation, so > > you need to read a lot of stuff who do not really matter about such and > > such situation (exemple: sh vs csh, will I learn both? Do I need to > > learn both? Also System V vs BSD vs AIX vs HP-UX etc...: they always > > give a lot of documentation on both way in the same document, this is > > why my old Oreilly book have 500 pages on Unix, and only ½ of them apply > > for BSD, if not less) > > Hope it will help > > You've hit the nail on the head. While there's a lot of resources > around, it is very difficult to find and select those that are worth > recommending. A good example is unix guides for beginners. There's > thousands of them, but which ones are good? Someone who knows > absolutely nothing about unix can't judge very well, and it takes a lot > of time to look through a large list of them. > > What should a basic introductory unix guide for new FreeBSD users offer? > Off the top of my head... > > - make no assumptions about prior knowledge (or state them up front) > - contain no errors > - relevant to my system (FreeBSD) > - relevant to my configuration (e.g. describes the same shell) > - easy to understand, good pace > - explain concepts as well as how-to > - demonstrate how to use the concepts to expand on learned skills > - show how what is learned can be put into daily use > - make me feel confident, not stupid > - suggest where to go to learn more > > Anything else? > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- A little project to "concatenate" free tutorials from the web, with a little bit of re-design. I know Unix is supposed to be really open, but who care of having tcsh, bash, ksh, ash, sh, csh zsh blah blah blaaaaaaaaaaah! I'm going crazy. My dream is a FreeBSD "simulator". In the Apple Corp way! You start the simulator, then, the black screen split in two:In the upper screen, there is instruction, in the downscreen, you try the instruction. A kind of step by step/interactive way to learn it. Well, it's a dream, so I think I will return to my C "hello, world" tutorial. Finaly, the shell should be sh. I think it's simply "the basic" shell. ---blah blah MS-DOS (sometimes) rocks--- -- [Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 20 19:04:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11973 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:04:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (mail-gw3.pacbell.net [206.13.28.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11968 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:04:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevink@mindless.com) From: kevink@mindless.com Received: from hellhole (ppp-207-214-213-114.sntc01.pacbell.net [207.214.213.114]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id TAA22629 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980819063510.00694ed4@pop.netaddress.com> X-Sender: gekk0@pop.netaddress.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 06:35:10 -0700 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980820082230.0079e7b0@pop3.sprint.ca> References: <19980820144227.46900@welearn.com.au> <35DBA22A.1651240E@athena.ualr.edu> <001c01bdcbec$289fbec0$5f8bf7ca@periscope.digital-canvas.com> <35DBA22A.1651240E@athena.ualr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oh great more American bashing...just what this list is for. I belive this thread started when someone from .jp told someone from .au to take that local talk off the list, so someone else had to start bashining on Americans. PLEASE kill this thread. ...now where did I put that cruise missle... At 08:22 AM 8/20/98 -0400, you wrote: >At 02:42 PM 8/20/98 +1000, Sue Blake wrote: >>I have two things to say on this: >> >>1. FreeBSD belongs to the world. Items of local interest have always >> been seen as appropriate for this and all other FreeBSD lists. Now >> maybe that only started because the "local interest" area was the USA, >> but the precedent has been set. In fact, we've enjoyed many >> disucssions relating specifically to what's going on in Canada, or >> Thailand, or on one day in one room in one suburb of one USA city. >> It's too late to stop now, even if we wanted to. > > >1. You're absolutely right Sue, only you have to be indulgent with >Americans. They're used to thinking in terms of "what's good for America is >good for the world," so their "local events" are actually world events >which they can talk about; but your local event is... well, a local event. >You have to learn to think big, like you American friends, and call it a >first-ever world-wide event. Then it'll be acceptable. ;o) > > >>2. Americans and others will attend this conference, just as Australians >> attended USENIX (you know, that highly local event that speckled the >> lists for weeks a while ago). We seem to value community more than >> reducing the number of interactions. That's the way it is 'round here. > > >2. No no Sue! Think BIG! The USENIX event was a world-wide event. ;o) > > >>3. In Australia, and in other places where microsoft is not used, >> we read quoted email from the top to the bottom :-) > > >3. Microsoft isn't used in Australia?!?!? Wow!!! You people are very >intelligent. I think I'll move to Australia. Btw, seen any good goanas lately? > > >>4. I can't count. > >5. Neither can I. > > > >G.R. Gaudreau >grgaud@sprint.ca >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5783/ > >President of Dooless & Seemore >A subsidiary of >Footloose Fancyfree & Dunworkin > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > ------------- gekk0@usa.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 20 19:16:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14267 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:16:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14244 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:15:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@direct-source.com) Received: from direct-source.com.direct-source.com (ppp113.pm3-0.pdx.dsinw.com [207.149.41.113]) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA07724; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:12:11 -0700 () From: Rick Hamell To: Sue Blake cc: Malartre , FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: URL and Opinions on how to really learn something In-Reply-To: <19980821082608.23489@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: hamellr@direct-source.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > - make no assumptions about prior knowledge (or state them up front) > - contain no errors > - relevant to my system (FreeBSD) > - relevant to my configuration (e.g. describes the same shell) > - easy to understand, good pace > - explain concepts as well as how-to > - demonstrate how to use the concepts to expand on learned skills > - show how what is learned can be put into daily use > - make me feel confident, not stupid > - suggest where to go to learn more > > Anything else? -Show hands on examples, i.e. ls shows directory, ls-l gives permissions, date of creation, etc. -user friendly explaninations of man pages or concepts on man pages -good index that cross referances topics -an explanation of files, what they do and why the're there. -explains 'common knowledge' things, i.e. I've never seen a referance to a .forward .signature or .plan file Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 20 19:44:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16930 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:44:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alinga.newcastle.edu.au (alinga.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.160.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16923 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:44:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from youdaman@reincarnate.com) Received: from reincarnate.com (c9707010@peach.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.96.108]) by alinga.newcastle.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21238 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:43:20 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <35DCDEE6.E0B60E42@reincarnate.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:43:51 +1000 From: Stewart Heckenberg Reply-To: c9707010@alinga.newcastle.edu.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Speed of FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, Anyone notice that when sometimes looking for a man page, it takes a little while to load? I read an email from a Linux mailing list saying that apparently a Solaris box where they replaced the system with Linuux ran 6 times faster. I'm not one to believe everything I read, but maybe there is a slight difference in performance? Cheers, Stewart To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 20 20:14:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21974 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:14:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca (hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca [207.107.250.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21957 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:13:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grgaud@pop3.sprint.ca) Received: from grgaud (spc-isp-ott-uas-16-13.sprint.ca [209.103.36.14]) by hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA09468 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980820231308.007aa580@pop3.sprint.ca> X-Sender: grgaud@pop3.sprint.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:13:08 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G.R. Gaudreau" Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980819063510.00694ed4@pop.netaddress.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19980820082230.0079e7b0@pop3.sprint.ca> <19980820144227.46900@welearn.com.au> <35DBA22A.1651240E@athena.ualr.edu> <001c01bdcbec$289fbec0$5f8bf7ca@periscope.digital-canvas.com> <35DBA22A.1651240E@athena.ualr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:35 AM 8/19/98 -0700, kevink@mindless.com wrote: >Oh great more American bashing...just what this list is for. > >I belive this thread started when someone from .jp told someone from .au to >take that local talk off the list, so someone else had to start bashining >on Americans. > >PLEASE kill this thread. > >...now where did I put that cruise missle... Kool it Kev, it was said tongue-in-cheek. I'm not an American basher... Hell, I don't want to get a cruise missile over my town. Really, I was just kidding. Look at the nice little teddy bear smiley >>> :o) See? Y'all take care now, y'hear! G.R. GAUDREAU "More hay, Trigger?" "No thanks Roy, I'm stufferd!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 20 20:57:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA26986 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:57:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from postal1.lbl.gov (postal1.lbl.gov [128.3.7.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA26978 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:57:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmt@bigfoot.com) Received: from SpamWall.lbl.gov (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postal1.lbl.gov (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA28501 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dante.lbl.gov.lbl.gov (dante.lbl.gov [128.3.13.76]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA28496 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from noosphere (user-38ld65r.dialup.mindspring.com) by dante.lbl.gov.lbl.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02320; Thu, 20 Aug 98 20:56:47 PDT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980820205458.007a9ae0@ieng9.ucsd.edu> X-Sender: jdweinst@ieng9.ucsd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:54:58 -0700 To: FreeBSD-Newbies From: "Jeff W." Subject: Re: URL and Opinions on how to really learn something In-Reply-To: References: <19980821082608.23489@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:12 PM 8/20/98 -0700, Rick Hamell wrote: >> - make no assumptions about prior knowledge (or state them up front) >> - contain no errors >> - relevant to my system (FreeBSD) >> - relevant to my configuration (e.g. describes the same shell) >> - easy to understand, good pace >> - explain concepts as well as how-to >> - demonstrate how to use the concepts to expand on learned skills >> - show how what is learned can be put into daily use >> - make me feel confident, not stupid >> - suggest where to go to learn more >> >> Anything else? > > > -Show hands on examples, i.e. ls shows directory, ls-l gives > permissions, date of creation, etc. > -user friendly explaninations of man pages or concepts on man > pages > -good index that cross referances topics > -an explanation of files, what they do and why the're there. > -explains 'common knowledge' things, i.e. I've never seen a > referance to a .forward .signature or .plan file > -At the end, explains what has been covered, in what depth, and what remains to be covered (if the latter is too much to write, then a generalization would be good). I find that when reading some computer books that at the end I'm left wondering if I now know everything about the topic (which usually isn't the case), and if I don't, what the heck it is that I don't know. --Jeff W. "dude things out here are out of ahh... ahh. known reality." "mail me my damn toothpaste. yeah... that's right bitch. and send it priority too." My trippy page (note the address change): http://2cb.home.ml.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 20 20:57:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27041 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:57:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from postal1.lbl.gov (postal1.lbl.gov [128.3.7.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA27029 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:57:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmt@bigfoot.com) Received: from SpamWall.lbl.gov (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postal1.lbl.gov (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA28519 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dante.lbl.gov.lbl.gov (dante.lbl.gov [128.3.13.76]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA28514 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from by dante.lbl.gov.lbl.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB02320; Thu, 20 Aug 98 20:56:53 PDT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980820205731.00832100@ieng9.ucsd.edu> X-Sender: jdweinst@ieng9.ucsd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:57:31 -0700 To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jeff W." Subject: Linux compatibility question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My kernel has Linux compatibility built in, but I'm wondering what are the known limits of this? So far I've been able to run Linux based apps fairly well. --Jeff W. "dude things out here are out of ahh... ahh. known reality." "mail me my damn toothpaste. yeah... that's right bitch. and send it priority too." My trippy page (note the address change): http://2cb.home.ml.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 20 21:55:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04430 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:55:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04420 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:55:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA20791; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:52:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:52:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman X-Sender: chrisc@vnode To: c9707010@alinga.newcastle.edu.au cc: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: Speed of FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <35DCDEE6.E0B60E42@reincarnate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Stewart Heckenberg wrote: > Hi all, > > Anyone notice that when sometimes looking for a man page, it takes a > little while to load? The times when it takes "a little while" to load a man page is because they are in a compressed format. When it says "formatting man page..." it is uncompressing them. If you access that man page again, you won't see that message, and it will load much faster. The man pages are then recompressed if they are not accessed after a certain amount of time. -Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 20 23:16:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA14928 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:16:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from barn.alaska.net (barn.alaska.net [206.149.127.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA14856 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:15:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barn@barn.alaska.net) Received: (from barn@localhost) by barn.alaska.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) id WAA00949 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:15:41 -0800 From: Bill Arnold Message-Id: <199808210615.WAA00949@barn.alaska.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:15:41 -0800 (AKDT) To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: barn@alaska.net Organization: none - at all. ;) Subject: Re[2]: URL and Opinions on how to really learn something In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.1-961106-linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rick Hamell wrote: > > - make no assumptions about prior knowledge (or state them up front) > > - contain no errors > > - relevant to my system (FreeBSD) > > - relevant to my configuration (e.g. describes the same shell) > > - easy to understand, good pace > > - explain concepts as well as how-to > > - demonstrate how to use the concepts to expand on learned skills > > - show how what is learned can be put into daily use > > - make me feel confident, not stupid > > - suggest where to go to learn more > > > > Anything else? > > > -Show hands on examples, i.e. ls shows directory, ls-l gives > permissions, date of creation, etc. > -user friendly explaninations of man pages or concepts on man > pages > -good index that cross referances topics > -an explanation of files, what they do and why the're there. > -explains 'common knowledge' things, i.e. I've never seen a > referance to a .forward .signature or .plan file > > Rick > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message For me (as a nearly clueless *nix'er) the "big picture" is the hard part. I'm writing this on my Linux box, could as easily sent it with my FreeBSD box, but somehow, I still don't don't quite get the "macro" view. For example, I know sendmail reads /etc/hosts, and waits a long time if it isn't right, and I know that /etc/resolv.conf relates to this whole thing, as does bind (DNS), but I still don't understand at all what file calls (or reads, or whatever) what file, never mind in exactly what order. I know that the man pages explain all that, but I also know they explain it only to those who already know. Maybe I'm just getting old, but I have a hard time remembering all the details (of jillions) concerning any given program. Then, when trying to learn a "new" one, and it refers to three other "new" ones, and each makes different assumptions about my prior experience, it can get tough. Worse, the switches used in each one can effect the function of any other, as they (more or less) rely on each other. As I use this stuff more and more, I like it better and better, and find the man pages much better than "help" pages elsewhare. But there is a funny thing about prior experience that is a tough nut to crack. -BA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 01:09:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01652 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:09:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA01646 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:09:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: (from hamellr@localhost) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id BAA12214; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:07:40 -0700 (PDT) From: rick hamell To: c9707010@alinga.newcastle.edu.au cc: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: Speed of FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <35DCDEE6.E0B60E42@reincarnate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I read an email from a Linux mailing list saying that apparently a > Solaris box where they replaced the system with Linuux ran 6 times > faster. Good thing that we're all running FreeBSD instead of Solaris.... well those with out Sun machines on our networks anyways....:) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 02:40:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA09233 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 02:40:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cyclops.xtra.co.nz (cyclops.xtra.co.nz [202.27.184.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA09228 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 02:40:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker (210-55-210-32.ipnets.xtra.co.nz [210.55.210.32]) by cyclops.xtra.co.nz (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA19076; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:38:39 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <199808210938.VAA19076@cyclops.xtra.co.nz> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: Sue Blake Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:38:42 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: URL and Opinions on how to really learn something Reply-to: junkmale@xtra.co.nz CC: FreeBSD-Newbies In-reply-to: <19980821082608.23489@welearn.com.au> References: <35DC550F.3E76A4F3@aei.ca>; from Malartre on Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 12:55:43PM -0400 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 21 Aug 98, at 8:26, Sue Blake wrote: > Anything else? Yes. Keep a diary. I'm pushing my own barrow here, but I don't care. Shortly after I started using FreeBSD, I decided an online-diary would be useful. That's because: 1 - My handwriting is crap. 2 - I already have a website. 3 - People that were helping me out could see what I had already done. 4 - Other people could laugh at what I did (e.g. The CD-ROM Saga) 5 - I would have a good record of what I've done, and why. Useful when it breaks. 6 - Others would be able to read what I've done, follow the same steps, and get it done in half the time. OK. I exaggerate. 1/10 the time. All (and I repeat *ALL*) of the [FreeBSD?] documentation I have seen is written by gurus for gurus. There is very little which can be understood by those that know nothing. I hope my diary is not that way. Because I hope I know nothing (wait, I didn't mean that...). I follow the questions mailing list. Anytime I see a question which I've already solved, I let the poster know about the diary. Sometimes I do this via email. But mostly I also post it to the list. The feedback I've been getting has been positive (but how many would slag it off anyways?). That "helping" is one of the aims of the site. But mostly, it is self- serving. Where I can, I try to elaborate upon the tougher subjects. There is a critical mass which must be obtained. Once you get there, things seem to fall into place. For me, it's taken about 3 months. Now I'm finding my way around, I know where to ask for help, and I know enough about FreeBSD to be able to answer most replies which arise from my questions. Compare that to when people used to ask, "Did you use the port?".... Port? What port? On a side issue, I've taken to calling my diary by the name "The FreeBSD Diary". Hopefully that will not upset anyone. I've looked around the net and have been unable to find anyone else doing the same thing. From what I can tell, I'm the only one, perhaps the first. I encourage others to do it as well. If you don't want to publish, that's fine. Just keep those notes. They are valuable. If you do want to publish, but don't have a website, I have lots of space and will accept stuff from other users. The more the better. cheers. -- Dan Langille DVL Software Limited http://www.dvl-software.com/freebsd : my [mis]adventures To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 04:46:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA21162 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 04:46:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA21146 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 04:46:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from w@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id NAA05525; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:45:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from w@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from w@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA03405; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 03:25:22 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from w) Message-ID: <19980821032520.A3398@panke.de> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 03:25:20 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: Sue Blake , "G.R. Gaudreau" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD References: <004401bdcbdb$353a4710$5b8bf7ca@periscope.digital-canvas.com> <004401bdcbdb$353a4710$5b8bf7ca@periscope.digital-canvas.com> <19980820115919.17940@welearn.com.au> <3.0.5.32.19980819233036.0079bc30@pop3.sprint.ca> <19980821075129.08175@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <19980821075129.08175@welearn.com.au>; from Sue Blake on Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 07:51:29AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1998-08-21 07:51:29 +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > On Wed, Aug 19, 1998 at 11:30:36PM -0400, G.R. Gaudreau wrote: > > > > Where IS the newbies web page? > > http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html Wolfram To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 06:53:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA06846 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 06:53:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw1.konstanz.netsurf.de (gw1.konstanz.netsurf.de [194.163.242.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA06823 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 06:53:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@konstanz.netsurf.de) Received: from duffner.konstanz.netsurf.de (surf77.konstanz.netsurf.de [194.163.242.77]) by gw1.konstanz.netsurf.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04718; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:52:54 +0200 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:27:41 +0200 (MESZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: Re: Linux compatibility question To: "Jeff W." cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980820205731.00832100@ieng9.ucsd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri 21 Aug, Jeff W. wrote: > My kernel has Linux compatibility built in, but I'm wondering what are the > known limits of this? So far I've been able to run Linux based apps fairly > well. I think it has problems with threads - Adabas doesn't work, e.g.. Also, StarOffice4 SP3 doesn't work, due to some funny way it reads from the process filesystem, IIRC. Even Mathematika is said to work, though I doubt that a lot of poeple use it - it costs > 3000 DM ! cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@konstanz.netsurf.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 10:48:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07767 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:48:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07761 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:48:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA05148; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:42:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:42:35 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199808211742.KAA05148@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: c9707010@alinga.newcastle.edu.au, chrisc@vmunix.com Subject: Re: Speed of FreeBSD Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:52:54 -0400 (EDT) >From: Chris Coleman >On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Stewart Heckenberg wrote: >> Anyone notice that when sometimes looking for a man page, it takes a >> little while to load? >The times when it takes "a little while" to load a man page is because >they are in a compressed format. When it says "formatting man page..." it >is uncompressing them. If you access that man page again, you won't see >that message, and it will load much faster. The man pages are then >recompressed if they are not accessed after a certain amount of time. With respect, I believe that's slightly incorrect. The "formatting man page..." message refers to translating the page from the typesetting language that's used to write the man pages to whatever display medium you chose. (The typesetting language" is based on nroff & troff; in a FreeBSD environment, I'd expect that groff would normally be used.) BTW, if you happen to have a PostScript printer available, it's possible to make some rather nice-looking "man pages" by man -t whatever | lpr (where "whatever" isthe subject of the man page you're interested in.) And to further demonstrate my weird perceptions... [gnt]roff have been used historically for a variety of purposes... including some of the more useful UNIX-oriented books around.... All that said, I believe that Chris' comments regarding the re-compression are essentially correct. (I looked around at the sources; on my 2.2.6-RELEASE system, I don't find the "formatting man page" message at all....) Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 11:52:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15790 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:52:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [207.170.17.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15784 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:52:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07835; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:50:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) id NAA09756; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:49:43 -0500 Message-ID: <19980821134942.47219@right.PCS> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:49:42 -0500 From: Jonathan Lemon To: David Wolfskill Cc: c9707010@alinga.newcastle.edu.au, chrisc@vmunix.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Speed of FreeBSD References: <199808211742.KAA05148@pau-amma.whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1 In-Reply-To: <199808211742.KAA05148@pau-amma.whistle.com>; from David Wolfskill on Aug 08, 1998 at 10:42:35AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Aug 08, 1998 at 10:42:35AM -0700, David Wolfskill wrote: > >Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:52:54 -0400 (EDT) > >From: Chris Coleman > > >On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Stewart Heckenberg wrote: > > >> Anyone notice that when sometimes looking for a man page, it takes a > >> little while to load? > > >The times when it takes "a little while" to load a man page is because > >they are in a compressed format. When it says "formatting man page..." it > >is uncompressing them. If you access that man page again, you won't see > >that message, and it will load much faster. The man pages are then > >recompressed if they are not accessed after a certain amount of time. Actually, the manual pages are stored in (usually) /usr/share/man/manX, where X is the section number for the manual. These are in 'roff[1] format, and are compressed. When you request a man page, it needs to translate the 'roff format into ascii. This involves converting the format into something that looks `right' for your display. The results are then stored in /usr/share/man/catX, as ``catpages'', meaning that you can just `cat' them to your terminal, with no processing involved. The catpages are also compressed. When you access the man page a second time, it compares the timestamps of the `man page' to the `cat page', and if the cat page is newer, just sends this to your terminal. As you've noticed, this is faster than re-translating 'roff sources again. Both of them are kept in compressed format, and the un-compression time is not usually noticeable (unless you have really slow hardware). -- Jonathan [1] where 'roff refers to one of troff,nroff,groff, etc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 14:09:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00547 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:09:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from info1.info.tampere.fi (info1.info.tampere.fi [212.63.6.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00542 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:09:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lmkjuksi@info1.info.tampere.fi) Received: from info1.info.tampere.fi (pc088.soitto.info.tampere.fi [212.63.8.88]) by info1.info.tampere.fi (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA01745 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:08:16 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <35DDE27C.E10E6D13@info1.info.tampere.fi> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:11:24 +0300 From: "Jukka Similä" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Matsushita? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. Does anybody here have a matsushita 5.63 (or 5.62) cd-rom drive and 2.2.6-release four-cd pack? I got "a little" problem with them; they seem not to work together. I've tried to switch to another mat-5.63 device, I got two of them, and I always get the same error message. Is the support for matcd 5.63 somehow broken with 2.2.6 release cd packet? I already tried to different packets. Actually this was supposed to be a question if somebody have installed fbsd succesfully with this combination, but now I'm asking where could (or should?) I tell about this problem? Jukka Similä To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 16:41:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14723 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:41:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bc.seflin.org (bc.seflin.org [199.227.192.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14714 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:41:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from z800441a@bc.seflin.org) Received: (from z800441a@localhost) by bc.seflin.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA22137; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:12:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Earl Bediant Subject: FTP commands To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How do I do anonymous FTP from your site? Earl Bediant z800441a@bc.seflin.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 17:06:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17542 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:06:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA17507 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:06:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA27487; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:05:17 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980822100513.49926@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:05:13 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Earl Bediant Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FTP commands Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Earl Bediant on Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 07:12:20PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 07:12:20PM -0400, Earl Bediant wrote: > How do I do anonymous FTP from your site? Hmmm... I'm not real sure where your problem is... If you want to install FreeBSD, first read about how to do it at http://www.freebsd.org (there's a link to installation instructions) Write to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org for any more help. Freebsd-newbies is just a discussion group (see http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) Good luck! :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 17:07:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17850 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:07:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA17825 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:07:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id RAA06775; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:05:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:05:50 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199808220005.RAA06775@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, z800441a@bc.seflin.org Subject: Re: FTP commands In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:12:20 -0400 (EDT) >From: Earl Bediant >How do I do anonymous FTP from your site? Well, that's going to depend on: * What sort of FTP client software you (want to) use; * Whether or not there are any kinds of "firewalls" between you and ftp.freebsd.org. (There may be other considerations, but these are what come to mind presently.) For example, here's a "typescript" of a session: Script started on Fri Aug 21 17:02:54 1998 pau-amma[2]% ncftp -L ftp.freebsd.org NcFTP 2.4.2 (October 28, 1996), by Mike Gleason, NCEMRSoft. Tip: If you miss the old "macdef init" macros which "ftp" ran when a specific site was opened, you can still do it with NcFTP. You need to put macros in your "macros" file named ".open." where is the nickname assigned to the host. Trying to connect to ftp.freebsd.org... Welcome to wcarchive - home FTP site for Walnut Creek CDROM. There are currently 2879 users out of 3200 possible. Most of the files in this area are also available on CDROM. You can send email to info@cdrom.com for more information or to order, or visit our Web site at http://www.cdrom.com. For tech support about our products, please email support@cdrom.com. You may also call our toll-free number: 1-800-786-9907 or +1-510-674-0783. Please keep in mind that we only offer technical support for our CDROM products and not for the files on our FTP server. This machine is a P6/200 with 1GB of memory & 224GB of disk online. The operating system is FreeBSD. Should you wish to get your own copy of FreeBSD, see the pub/FreeBSD directory, visit http://www.freebsd.org, or mail to info@FreeBSD.org for more information. FreeBSD on CDROM can be ordered using the WEB at http://www.cdrom.com/titles/os/freebsd.htm or by sending email to orders@cdrom.com. Slow downloads? Please see ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/archive-info/slow.txt for more information. 100Mbps colocation services provided by CRL Network Services. For more information, please visit http://www.crl.com. GTEI/BBN Planet customers, please read ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/bbn-notice.txt Please send mail to ftp-bugs@ftp.cdrom.com if you experience any problems. Please also let us know if there is something we don't have that you think we should! Guest login ok, access restrictions apply. freebsd:/.25/FreeBSD/newsletter> get issu*.txt Already have issue1.txt. Already have issue2.txt. freebsd:/.25/FreeBSD/newsletter> pau-amma[3]% ^Dexit Script done on Fri Aug 21 17:03:47 1998 david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 19:31:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09873 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:31:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09868 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:30:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA27983 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:30:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:30:14 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199808220230.MAA27983@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 21 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources:charters.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 19:43:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12851 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:43:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA12845 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:43:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (kaput@[207.107.48.71]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA21696 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DE300F.FB2B4901@aei.ca> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:42:24 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Tip #1 of the day :-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you want than your command start in the background, add a " &" at the end. Exemple: You want to start Xfree86 but dont want it to use one of your precious terminal. --- startx & --- Then, you find than there is only 2 xterm and a login in your Xwindow. So, if you type "xterm" alone in one of the xterm, it will start another xterm, but the previous one will not be useable! The solution is to start the xterm in background in xwindow: --- xterm & --- -- [Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 19:47:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13446 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:47:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13438 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:47:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA28040; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:46:38 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980822124634.45813@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:46:34 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Rick Hamell Cc: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: URL and Opinions on how to really learn something References: <19980821082608.23489@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Rick Hamell on Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 07:12:11PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 07:12:11PM -0700, Rick Hamell wrote: > > -Show hands on examples, i.e. ls shows directory, ls-l gives > permissions, date of creation, etc. > -user friendly explaninations of man pages or concepts on man > pages > -good index that cross referances topics > -an explanation of files, what they do and why the're there. What particular files? > -explains 'common knowledge' things, i.e. I've never seen a > referance to a .forward .signature or .plan file > > Rick > -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 19:52:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14022 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:52:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (mail-gw3.pacbell.net [206.13.28.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14017 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:52:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevink@mindless.com) From: kevink@mindless.com Received: from hellhole (gekko@ppp-207-214-211-137.sntc01.pacbell.net [207.214.211.137]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id TAA28703 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980821053638.0068ea4c@pop.netaddress.com> X-Sender: gekk0@pop.netaddress.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 05:36:38 -0700 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: main platform? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Who uses FreeBSD as their primary computing platform at home? ------------- gekk0@usa.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 20:07:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA15175 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:07:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA15170 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:07:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28114; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:06:46 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980822130641.39256@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:06:42 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Malartre Cc: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: URL and Opinions on how to really learn something References: <35DC550F.3E76A4F3@aei.ca> <19980821082608.23489@welearn.com.au> <35DCD40B.65EB9E16@aei.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <35DCD40B.65EB9E16@aei.ca>; from Malartre on Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 09:57:31PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 09:57:31PM -0400, Malartre wrote: > > A little project to "concatenate" free tutorials from the web, with a > little bit of re-design. Can you explain this a bit more? > I know Unix is supposed to be really open, but > who care of having tcsh, bash, ksh, ash, sh, csh zsh blah blah > blaaaaaaaaaaah! I'm going crazy. It's a problem, because everyone wants to use a different shell. Most people seem to use bash, but there's a lot of people using the others, and they need instructions too. At this stage it doesn't matter much for me. Any shell is the same as any other, as long as it has a command history, and even sh can do that. I don't use any of the fancy shell features that make one shell different to another. Maybe that's because nothing I've read has made it real for me. > My dream is a FreeBSD "simulator". > In the Apple Corp way! You start the simulator, then, the black screen > split in two:In the upper screen, there is instruction, in the > downscreen, you try the instruction. A kind of step by step/interactive > way to learn it. > Well, it's a dream, so I think I will return to my C "hello, world" > tutorial. Hehe, I did exactly that a few years ago, when "Internet" round here meant a 300bps (or 2400 if you're lucky) connection to a hostile unix machine with no support. On a BBS, I set up a simulation of a shell account that some people were using. If they typed anything wrong, they'd get hints up the top. If they typed the right thing, they'd get a response similar to the unix machine. It helped people get over their nerves because they believed that nothing they did on my system could do damage and they got the practice they needed. I concluded, though, that the amount of benefit wasn't enough to justify its maintenance. It was written in a dumb text editor with hand-typed control codes that sent instructions to the BBS software. Yech! Unix is never *that* hard! > Finaly, the shell should be sh. I think it's simply "the basic" shell. > ---blah blah MS-DOS (sometimes) rocks--- Bleagh! :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 20:10:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA15601 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:10:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rascal (ts17-07.tor.istar.ca [204.191.150.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA15593 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:10:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from honk.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rascal (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00219; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:02:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980821053638.0068ea4c@pop.netaddress.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:01:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin To: kevink@mindless.com Subject: RE: main platform? Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 21-Aug-98 kevink@mindless.com wrote: > Who uses FreeBSD as their primary computing platform at home? I'm slowly getting there. So far 2.2.7-Release has been exceptionally good to me. I figure in another month or two I will get brave enough to blow away Micr*S*ft entirely. The more I play with X and fvwm2 the more I like it. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Marty Poulin Date: 21-Aug-98 Time: 22:57:41 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 20:13:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA15924 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:13:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ha1.rdc1.pa.home.com (ha1.rdc1.pa.home.com [24.2.5.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA15919 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:13:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nellie@home.com) Received: from cc219337-a.lwmrn1.pa.home.com ([24.3.111.2]) by ha1.rdc1.pa.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA18567; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:12:55 -0700 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:08:15 -0400 (EDT) From: dmb To: kevink@mindless.com cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: main platform? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980821053638.0068ea4c@pop.netaddress.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That is a really general question. People like me use it for fun. I use it to make mp3's, graphics, and most for IRC. I got interested in FreeBSD because I got sick of windows95, enuff said. Install it, you'll love it. On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 kevink@mindless.com wrote: > Who uses FreeBSD as their primary computing platform at home? > > > ------------- > gekk0@usa.net > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 20:29:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17724 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:29:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17716 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:29:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28308; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:28:53 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980822132850.49513@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:28:50 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit References: <199808220230.MAA27983@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199808220230.MAA27983@phoenix.welearn.com.au>; from Sue Blake on Sat, Aug 22, 1998 at 12:30:14PM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Aaaarrgghhh... I didn't get it changed in time :-( > Other resources > > A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html to > help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information > quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links > to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you > have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to > freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. Now that should be http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 20:39:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA18363 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:39:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (mail-gw2.pacbell.net [206.13.28.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA18357 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:39:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevink@mindless.com) From: kevink@mindless.com Received: from hellhole (gekko@ppp-207-214-211-137.sntc01.pacbell.net [207.214.211.137]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id UAA12492 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980821062300.00693ab0@pop.netaddress.com> X-Sender: gekk0@pop.netaddress.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 06:23:00 -0700 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: main platform? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980821053638.0068ea4c@pop.netaddress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Its already install, and I already dig it. I was just curious if people use FreeBSD primarily, or just for fun/research/etc. I keep hearing people say "You can't run any free unix as your primary platform". I don't see why not, unless your totally into games. People are just scared to try anything that may require some thought, and are too M$ dependant. At 11:08 PM 8/21/98 -0400, you wrote: >That is a really general question. People like me use it for fun. I use >it to make mp3's, graphics, and most for IRC. I got interested in FreeBSD >because I got sick of windows95, enuff said. Install it, you'll love it. > >On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 kevink@mindless.com wrote: > >> Who uses FreeBSD as their primary computing platform at home? >> >> ------------- gekk0@usa.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 20:41:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA18619 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:41:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA18613 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:41:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (kaput@[207.107.48.71]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26969; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DE3DA3.8BF49288@aei.ca> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:40:19 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake CC: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: URL and Opinions on how to really learn something References: <35DC550F.3E76A4F3@aei.ca> <19980821082608.23489@welearn.com.au> <35DCD40B.65EB9E16@aei.ca> <19980822130641.39256@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 09:57:31PM -0400, Malartre wrote: > > > > A little project to "concatenate" free tutorials from the web, with a > > little bit of re-design. > > Can you explain this a bit more? There's a lot of tutorial around there. So no need to re-write them, just to rip the part who interest us ;-) Sure, I would let the name of who writed what. The copyright for http://www.geek-girl.com/Unixhelp/ (wich is really nice btw) are: http://www.geek-girl.com/Unixhelp/get_source.html ---------- You are encouraged to customise your local version of UNIXhelp. Detailed instructions are included with the distribution. If you author additional pages for mailers, editors or other utilities, please consider making these available for inclusion in future releases. Contact the UNIXhelp maintainer if you can help. The Copyright for the UNIXhelp deliverables rests with the Computing Services of the University of Edinburgh. The deliverables may be reproduced and used freely for non-commercial purposes, provided that this and any other copyright notices are reproduced therein. ---------- I think I could do it. But most of the time, I dont understand copyright, they are headache for me. -- [Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 21:00:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA20633 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:00:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bamboo.verinet.com (bamboo.verinet.com [204.144.246.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA20623 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:00:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from allenc@verinet.com) Received: from struct. (fern1.verinet.com [199.45.181.65]) by bamboo.verinet.com (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA19981; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:00:03 -0600 Received: from verinet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by struct. (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04856; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:59:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from allenc@verinet.com) Message-ID: <35DE423E.F7DAD9FE@verinet.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:59:58 -0600 From: Allen Campbell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kevink@mindless.com CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: main platform? References: <3.0.1.32.19980821053638.0068ea4c@pop.netaddress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org kevink@mindless.com wrote: > > Who uses FreeBSD as their primary computing platform at home? > I maintain one main server running FreeBSD and several older pentiums as X terminals running a mix of FreeBSD and Linux, all on a small Ethernet network. One of the X terminals boots into Windows for MS Word. I can not remember the last time I did that. Hmmm. Recently, I was surprised to realize that my server, in all its various forms over the years, has never crashed. The X terminals lunch themselves from time to time due to X server bugs and hardware failures. However the server, since 2.1.5 when I started running FreeBSD, has never crashed. How boring. :) -- Allen Campbell | Lurking at the bottom of the gravity allenc@verinet.com | well, getting dumber and dumber. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 21:04:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21401 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:04:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peanut.readington.com (peanut.readington.com [207.207.198.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21386 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:04:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrismar@peanut.readington.com) Received: from localhost (chrismar@localhost) by peanut.readington.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA13710; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:07:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chrismar@peanut.readington.com) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:07:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Martino To: kevink@mindless.com cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: main platform? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980821053638.0068ea4c@pop.netaddress.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org me. Chris -- Chris Martino chrismar@readington.com On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 kevink@mindless.com wrote: > Who uses FreeBSD as their primary computing platform at home? > > > ------------- > gekk0@usa.net > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 21:06:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21701 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:06:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21695 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:06:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA28392; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:05:44 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980822140540.18616@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:05:41 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: kevink@mindless.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: main platform? References: <3.0.1.32.19980821053638.0068ea4c@pop.netaddress.com> <3.0.1.32.19980821062300.00693ab0@pop.netaddress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980821062300.00693ab0@pop.netaddress.com>; from kevink@mindless.com on Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 06:23:00AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 06:23:00AM -0700, kevink@mindless.com wrote: > Its already install, and I already dig it. > I was just curious if people use FreeBSD primarily, or just for > fun/research/etc. > > I keep hearing people say "You can't run any free unix as your primary > platform". You do? Who says that?? I've never heard anyone say it. If they did, they'd need to give a reason. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 22:16:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA26945 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:16:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA26940 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:16:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: (from hamellr@localhost) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id WAA29374; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:15:01 -0700 (PDT) From: rick hamell To: Sue Blake cc: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: URL and Opinions on how to really learn something In-Reply-To: <19980822124634.45813@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > -an explanation of files, what they do and why the're there. > > What particular files? Well, for one, the various configuration files. Also, what and why you want different directories, /USR and /VAR on different slices. Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 22:19:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA27204 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:19:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA27199 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:19:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: (from hamellr@localhost) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id WAA29453; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:18:06 -0700 (PDT) From: rick hamell To: kevink@mindless.com cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: main platform? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980821053638.0068ea4c@pop.netaddress.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Who uses FreeBSD as their primary computing platform at home? Day 3, finally got it up to the point that I CAN make it my promary home platform. :) Now, I've just got to get my new SparcStation on the Network too, and all non-UNIX Os's will be eliminated from my three main computers. :) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 21 23:01:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01356 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:01:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01349 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:01:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from support1.cybcon.com (william@support1.cybcon.com [205.147.76.99]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA18810; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: wwoods@cybcon.com From: William Woods To: dmb Subject: Re: main platform? Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, kevink@mindless.com Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmmm...great question. I use FreeBSD 3.0 as my main (read ONLY) OS. I do all my work on it, Word processing with Word Perfect 7, Database work with StarOffice and Web Work with Netscape. Also, My home system is my work system. I monitor 3 www servers (email, news and http) along with maintaining a DNS and backup DNS server. All from my workstation from home. All this is done with FreeBSD 3.0-current, and KDE as my window manager. The Window manager has 8 virtual terminals,set up like this; 1 - Desk (monitors for the remote servers . cpu, top, etc....) 2 - Email, running xfmail, monitoring 5 email accounts, and 8 mailing lists 3 - Netscape #1 4 - Netscape #2 5 - A Xterm 6 - 2nd Xterm 7 - Tail -f /var/log/messages of all systems 8 - Top for this system. And useally have 1 VT used for IRC (running BitchX) Along with the rancdom compiling of things in other VT's, I also do client database lookups over the net in Desktop #4 (Netscape #2) on Stronghold with a mysql database. Do we have any MS products - Nope. Also, I play the random game of chess, backgammon and such. I also have ICQ (Java Version) and AIM (Java version) running JDK 1.1.6. Now granted this is a LOT to be doing, I do this on a P200 w/128meg RAM and a 256 meg swap file. Hope I dident go overboard on an answer to this......I explored doing basically the same thing in Several OS's before I setteled on FreeBSD. I tried Win95, Win NT OS/4 Warp4, and Linux. While Linux gave the best results of the listed OS's, the lack of standards for linux quickly pushed me away, alas, I have found FreeBSD and it suits my needs perfectly....to sume it up, I will tell a little story... My friend asked me if, since I have been useing FreeBSD development version (3.0) , it has crashed on me.....my responce was, "I forgot what a crash is....., you use Windows....remind me....." Me and him laughed, but I was serious... Well, like I said, hope I dident go overboard on an answer to a simple question.... --------------------- William Woods Date: 21-Aug-98 / Time: 22:46:23 goto to: http//www.freebsd.org. --> FreeBSD 3.0 CURRENT <-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 22 00:38:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA09299 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:38:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA09294 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:38:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA28802; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:37:54 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980822173751.55453@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:37:51 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: rick hamell Cc: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: URL and Opinions on how to really learn something References: <19980822124634.45813@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from rick hamell on Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 10:15:01PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 10:15:01PM -0700, rick hamell wrote: > > > -an explanation of files, what they do and why the're there. > > > > What particular files? > > > Well, for one, the various configuration files. Hmm, yeah, that's a pretty common puzzle for newbies. "The various configuration files" is a problem I know well, but it's really hard to state exactly what the problem is or what needs to be done about it. A while ago my email signature described my main FreeBSD activity: find / -name "*.conf" |more > Also, what and why you want different directories, One of the pieces of "common knowledge" that doesn't usually make it into unix tutorials is man hier. It's a man page that explains why all those directories are where they are and what they're supposed to be for. > /USR and /VAR on different slices. And *that* is a matter of religion :-) You'll find a lengthy discussion on it in freebsd-questions a while ago. I don't think you'd expect it to be in a unix tutorial, it's more specific to the type of unix and personal preferences. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 22 00:46:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA09797 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:46:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gutenberg.uoregon.edu (gutenberg.uoregon.edu [128.223.56.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA09791 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:46:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sharding@gutenberg.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (sharding@localhost) by gutenberg.uoregon.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA04547; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:50:12 -0700 From: Sean Harding Reply-To: Sean Harding To: kevink@mindless.com cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: main platform? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980821053638.0068ea4c@pop.netaddress.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 kevink@mindless.com wrote: > Who uses FreeBSD as their primary computing platform at home? I have one machine personally that runs it exclusively (there are several others in the house, including our router/name server). It's my main platform for certain things. I use my mac for other things (sometimes in Mac OS sometimes in LinuxPPC). It depends on what I am doing at the time. But there is always FreeBSD running in several places in our house. Sean -- Sean Harding sharding@oregon.uoregon.edu|"They burn their bridges as they http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~sharding/ | go." Consulting: http://www.efn.org/~seanh | --Natalie Merchant To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 22 01:36:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA11995 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:36:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gate.ljis.ml.org (cyberworld.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA11989 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:36:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ljohns@cyberworld.demon.co.uk) Received: (from ljohns@localhost) by gate.ljis.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00357; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:35:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ljohns) Message-ID: <19980822093534.A352@ljis.ml.org> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:35:34 +0100 From: Lee Johnston To: kevink@mindless.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: main platform? References: <3.0.1.32.19980821053638.0068ea4c@pop.netaddress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980821053638.0068ea4c@pop.netaddress.com>; from kevink@mindless.com on Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 05:36:38AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Me! On Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 05:36:38AM -0700, kevink@mindless.com wrote: > Who uses FreeBSD as their primary computing platform at home? > > > ------------- > gekk0@usa.net > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Lee Johnston E-Mail: lee@uk.freebsd.org Web-Site: http://www.cyberworld.demon.co.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 22 04:42:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA22651 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 04:42:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca (hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca [207.107.250.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA22646 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 04:42:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grgaud@pop3.sprint.ca) Received: from grgaud (spc-isp-ott-uas-06-27.sprint.ca [209.103.34.28]) by hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA18901 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980822074143.007a1aa0@pop3.sprint.ca> X-Sender: grgaud@pop3.sprint.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:41:43 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G.R. Gaudreau" Subject: FreeBSD main platform & Linux In-Reply-To: <35DE423E.F7DAD9FE@verinet.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980821053638.0068ea4c@pop.netaddress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:59 PM 8/21/98 -0600, you wrote: >kevink@mindless.com wrote: >> >> Who uses FreeBSD as their primary computing platform at home? >> > >I maintain one main server running FreeBSD and several older pentiums as >X terminals running a mix of FreeBSD and Linux, all on a small Ethernet >network. One of the X terminals boots into Windows for MS Word. I can >not remember the last time I did that. Hmmm. How well does the Linux platform work? >Recently, I was surprised to realize that my server, in all its various >forms over the years, has never crashed. The X terminals lunch >themselves from time to time due to X server bugs and hardware >failures. However the server, since 2.1.5 when I started running >FreeBSD, has never crashed. How boring. :) Bored, are you Allen? Just come over to my place. Windoze 95 crashes on a regular basis. It also gives me problems when it's been running for a while with a couple of big apps like Adobe & Corel, or I get the ever-popular "Blue Screen of Death", or doesn't shut down properly and has to run Scandisk to restart, or... just insert whatever problem you can think of. Plus, I've had to re-install it, oh, maybe 7 or 8 times now, in the past 2 years. I HATE THIS WANNABE OS!!! I can hardly wait to get my HDD back from the shop, so I can install a real OS. I'd have it in my box right now if it wasn't for my son, who uses my computer for his fledgeling graphics business. He's uses Adobe and Corel, so he needs Win95 in the box. Anyone interested in buying a slightly used son? "Resistence is futile, you WILL be assimilated." -- Billy-Bob Gates, the Borg Resist the Evil Empire, G.R. Gaudreau grgaud@sprint.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 22 04:59:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA23747 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 04:59:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca (hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca [207.107.250.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA23742 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 04:59:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grgaud@pop3.sprint.ca) Received: from grgaud (spc-isp-ott-uas-06-27.sprint.ca [209.103.34.28]) by hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA19894 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 08:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980822075830.007a9ac0@pop3.sprint.ca> X-Sender: grgaud@pop3.sprint.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:58:30 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G.R. Gaudreau" Subject: Re: main platform? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:00 PM 8/21/98 -0700, William Woods wrote: >Hmmm...great question. I use FreeBSD 3.0 as my main (read ONLY) OS. I do all my >work on it, Word processing with Word Perfect 7, Database work with StarOffice >and Web Work with Netscape. Also, My home system is my work system. I monitor 3 >www servers (email, news and http) along with maintaining a DNS and backup DNS >server. All from my workstation from home. >My friend asked me if, since I have been useing FreeBSD development version >(3.0) , it has crashed on me.....my responce was, "I forgot what a crash >is....., you use Windows....remind me....." Me and him laughed, but I was >serious... > >Well, like I said, hope I dident go overboard on an answer to a simple >question.... Hotdamn!! That FreeBSD is one fine OS! Tell me though, how do you set up VTs, and why would you? Is that done on one box, or do you have to use several? G.R. GAUDREAU If a cop arrests a mime, doe he have to tell him that he has a right to remain silent? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 22 05:13:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA24524 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 05:13:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.usinternet.com (mail.usinternet.com [205.219.138.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA24519 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 05:13:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dabbler@visi.com) Received: from visi.com ([208.160.37.7]) by mail.usinternet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-53772U14000L14000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:11:59 -0500 Message-ID: <35DED311.1BD4C23A@visi.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:17:53 -0700 From: DJ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Main Platform - Primary OS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My primary OS is Win98, but I also run FreeBSD 2.2.7 + Caldera OpenLinux 1.2 and Slackware 3.5 FreeBSD runs on its own system and I am very new to FreeBSD, but I find it to be a very robust OS. Caldera OpenLinux runs on its own system and have been running it for 1 1/2 years now. Slackware 3.5 runs on a UMSDOS file system along side Win98 (FAT32) 1 11 gig partition. I run Win98 only because of the software availability, and I am not knowledgeable enough to write my own software, or have the time to write my own. Another reason why I choose to run the different OS's because I don't accept limitations. My interest in gaming is too high to dump the Windows OS. Put the robustness of FreeBSD and the software availability of Win and the customizations of X and you got one heck of an OS... too bad its never been done. "The opinions expressed above are of my own" -DJ dabbler@visi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 22 06:49:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA03010 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 06:49:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA02997 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 06:49:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA26243; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:20:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19980822132040.54288@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:20:40 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Malartre , FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: Tip #1 of the day :-) References: <35DE300F.FB2B4901@aei.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <35DE300F.FB2B4901@aei.ca>; from Malartre on Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 10:42:24PM -0400 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 10:42:24PM -0400, Malartre wrote: > Then, you find than there is only 2 xterm and a login in your Xwindow. > So, if you type "xterm" alone in one of the xterm, it will start another > xterm, but the previous one will not be useable! > The solution is to start the xterm in background in xwindow: > --- > xterm & > --- Alternatively, you can suspend the second xterm, then tell it to run 'in the background', which is what adding the ampersand to the command line does For example, using tcsh, I can do % xterm <- xterm starts up, this shell is frozen ^Z <- I hit CTRL+Z to suspend the new xterm, which is stopped Suspended <- tcsh prints "Suspended" % bg <- I type 'bg', to put the new xterm in the background [1] xterm & <- My new xterm is job #1 started from this shell % jobs <- I type "jobs" to see which jobs are running [1] Running xterm % You can do the same thing in other shells. For example, the above using 'sh' is pretty similar $ xterm ^Z%1 Suspended $ bg $ jobs [1] 25939 xterm The differences are mostly that when 'sh' prints "Suspended" it doesn't put a newline first (which is why it appears on the same line as I hit CTRL+Z) and the jobs command lists the process ID (PID) of the running xterm. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 22 07:53:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08211 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:53:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from as5200-port-254.no.neosoft.com (as5200-port-254.no.neosoft.com [206.27.167.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08206 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:53:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from conrads@as5200-port-254.no.neosoft.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by as5200-port-254.no.neosoft.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA01904 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:50:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980821053638.0068ea4c@pop.netaddress.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:50:31 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: conrads@neosoft.com Organization: NeoSoft, Inc. From: Conrad Sabatier To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: main platform? Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 21-Aug-98 kevink@mindless.com wrote: > Who uses FreeBSD as their primary computing platform at home? I do, have been for a little over two years now. I still have Windows 95 on a separate hard drive, but about the only time I use it is when I need to run Quicken to pay my bills, or when I feel like dabbling with a little MIDI composing/arranging using Cakewalk. But basically, I have FreeBSD running 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Got a local news server (INN 1.7.2) running (reading news locally is heaven!), pulling in news from my ISP at half-hour intervals using suck, local caching DNS server, fetchmail to retrieve my mail every half-hour (I'm subscribed to about a dozen lists and get a lotta mail), and so on and so forth. One would have to be insane to want to give up this kind of power in favor of a "pretty" OS that crashes routinely, has a crippled command line shell, and basically only lets you do whatever the idiot user interface to any particular program allows you to do. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Conrad Sabatier Date: 22-Aug-98 Time: 09:41:40 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 22 10:17:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA20403 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:17:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [206.173.118.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20398 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:17:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman [206.173.118.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/08/04 5.11)) id NAA13879; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:16:39 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from default (ts003d18.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.78]) by newman.concentric.net (8.8.8) id NAA23424; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DEFE23.7EBA@concentric.net> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:21:39 -0600 From: ML Duke Reply-To: mlduke@concentric.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marty Poulin CC: kevink@mindless.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: main platform? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marty Poulin wrote: > > Who uses FreeBSD as their primary computing platform at home? Duke here. I've been browsing/lurcking the list for a long time, and this question is one near and dear. I'd _love_ to trash $ms for good but one little problem prevents: I've got to send WordPerfect compatible documents to my printing/client pick up/pay the bill contact in Anchorage, and not infrequently send completed work to clients ranging from California to New York. I'm aware of the Corel Suite for X, which has a whole lot more than I want to pay for in order to merely produce typeset documents. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Oh. I'm running 2.2.6-RELEASE on a 4G, DOS/w95 on a 514M. ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 22 10:51:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23103 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:51:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bamboo.verinet.com (bamboo.verinet.com [204.144.246.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23098 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:51:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from allenc@verinet.com) Received: from struct. (algae29.verinet.com [199.45.181.125]) by bamboo.verinet.com (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA13982; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:50:56 -0600 Received: from verinet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by struct. (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09388; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:50:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from allenc@verinet.com) Message-ID: <35DF04FB.518BF15@verinet.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:50:51 -0600 From: Allen Campbell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "G.R. Gaudreau" CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD main platform & Linux References: <3.0.1.32.19980821053638.0068ea4c@pop.netaddress.com> <3.0.5.32.19980822074143.007a1aa0@pop3.sprint.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org G.R. Gaudreau wrote: > > At 09:59 PM 8/21/98 -0600, you wrote: > >kevink@mindless.com wrote: > >> > >> Who uses FreeBSD as their primary computing platform at home? > > > >I maintain one main server running FreeBSD and several older pentiums as > >X terminals running a mix of FreeBSD and Linux, all on a small Ethernet > >network. One of the X terminals boots into Windows for MS Word. I can > >not remember the last time I did that. Hmmm. > > How well does the Linux platform work? I have been running OpenLinux 1.2 on a 150 MHz Overdrive Pentium primarily as an X terminal. Linux has come a long way; I miss the uniformity of the FreeBSD ports and man pages, but it seems quite solid. I have been experimenting with Netware for Linux on this system. Also, I might have to promote this box to a Linux server when Oracle for Linux makes its debut, unless FreeBSD's Linux emulation handles it well. I would much prefer to put this on the FreeBSD server, but it's too important to compromise if it doesn't; One way or another I'm going to make a living with that software. -- Allen Campbell | Lurking at the bottom of the allenc@verinet.com | gravity well, getting old. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 22 10:52:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23266 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:52:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (mail-gw2.pacbell.net [206.13.28.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23260 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:52:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevink@mindless.com) From: kevink@mindless.com Received: from hellhole (ppp-207-214-212-140.sntc01.pacbell.net [207.214.212.140]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id KAA22205 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980821214713.00697ad0@pop.netaddress.com> X-Sender: gekk0@pop.netaddress.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:47:13 -0700 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: StarOffice & wordperfect In-Reply-To: <35DEFE23.7EBA@concentric.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Have you tried Star Office? there is a port for it in /usr/ports/editors I'm not totally sure if it handles wordperfect docs, but I think it does. Does anyone else know? At 11:21 AM 8/22/98 -0600, you wrote: >Marty Poulin wrote: > >Duke here. I've been browsing/lurcking the list for a long time, >and this question is one near and dear. I'd _love_ to trash $ms for >good but one little problem prevents: I've got to send WordPerfect >compatible documents to my printing/client pick up/pay the bill >contact in Anchorage, and not infrequently send completed work to >clients ranging from California to New York. > >I'm aware of the Corel Suite for X, which has a whole lot more >than I want to pay for in order to merely produce typeset >documents. > >Any suggestions would be appreciated. Oh. I'm running 2.2.6-RELEASE >on a 4G, DOS/w95 on a 514M. > >ML Duke > ------------- gekk0@usa.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 22 11:28:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26561 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:28:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca (hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca [207.107.250.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26556 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:28:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grgaud@sprint.ca) Received: from grgaud (spc-isp-ott-uas-13-44.sprint.ca [209.103.35.145]) by hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA04373 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19980822142714.007a9a20@pop3.sprint.ca> X-Sender: grgaud@pop3.sprint.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:27:14 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G.R. Gaudreau" Subject: Re: FreeBSD main platform & Linux In-Reply-To: <35DF04FB.518BF15@verinet.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980821053638.0068ea4c@pop.netaddress.com> <3.0.5.32.19980822074143.007a1aa0@pop3.sprint.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:50 AM 8/22/98 -0600, Allen Campbell wrote: >> How well does the Linux platform work? > >I have been running OpenLinux 1.2 on a 150 MHz Overdrive Pentium >primarily >as an X terminal. Linux has come a long way; I miss the uniformity of >the >FreeBSD ports and man pages, but it seems quite solid. I have been >experimenting with Netware for Linux on this system. Also, I might have >to promote this box to a Linux server when Oracle for Linux makes its >debut, unless FreeBSD's Linux emulation handles it well. I would much >prefer to put this on the FreeBSD server, but it's too important to >compromise if it doesn't; One way or another I'm going to make a living >with that software. Something you mentioned brought up another question that's been on my mind lately. I realize that the ports you mention above are ports to FreeBSD, and that physical ports on my box are COM1 & 2 and the printer port, etc.; but I've also read of other ports, such as Internet ports and such. What are these last ports? Linux and FreeBSD seem to work quite a lot with these things, and I get the feeling that there are other "soft" ports, if I can put it that way, that UNIX-like OSs use. Anyone know what I'm talking about, and could you explain what they are and how they're used? Thanks For your input Allen, 'preciate it. G.R. GAUDREAU SBG-KEY: 4002-7dc5-50c9-eb0d-b07b-7442 The opinions expressed above are my own, and do not necessarely reflect my own. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 22 13:28:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04033 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:28:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bamboo.verinet.com (bamboo.verinet.com [204.144.246.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04028 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:28:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from allenc@verinet.com) Received: from struct. (algae29.verinet.com [199.45.181.125]) by bamboo.verinet.com (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA28392; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:27:30 -0600 Received: from verinet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by struct. (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09747; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:27:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from allenc@verinet.com) Message-ID: <35DF29AC.70062752@verinet.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:27:24 -0600 From: Allen Campbell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "G.R. Gaudreau" CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ports (was: FreeBSD main platform & Linux) References: <3.0.1.32.19980821053638.0068ea4c@pop.netaddress.com> <3.0.5.32.19980822074143.007a1aa0@pop3.sprint.ca> <3.0.6.32.19980822142714.007a9a20@pop3.sprint.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org G.R. Gaudreau wrote: > [ My previous, badly formatted message, snipped ] > > Something you mentioned brought up another question that's been on my > mind lately. I realize that the ports you mention above are ports to > FreeBSD, and that physical ports on my box are COM1 & 2 and the > printer port, etc.; but I've also read of other ports, such as > Internet ports and such. What are these last ports? Linux and FreeBSD > seem to work quite a lot with these things, and I get the feeling > that there are other "soft" ports, if I can put it that way, that > UNIX-like OSs use. Anyone know what I'm talking about, and could you > explain what they are and how they're used? Thanks For your input > Allen, 'preciate it. This is the classic case of a much too overloaded term. I'll share what I know. I'll start with the FreeBSD ports collection. To 'port' software is to make it compatible with another platform. A person doing this is may be called a porter, who is porting software. The result is sometimes called a port. FreeBSD maintains a large and growing collection of these ports. Using these ports, you may obtain the standard distribution of some piece of software and allow the ports system to automatically 'patch' and install the distribution. The handbook and the ports man page have more information on the FreeBSD ports collection. The ports you asked about are IP (internet protocol) ports. IP ports are specific to IP networks (such as the Internet.) Every hoston an IP network (including computers which dial into the Internet via an ISP) has a unique IP address. This address is a 32 bit number, usually represented by a four octet symbol: 201.134.160.12, for example. When an IP host needs to communicate with another IP host, it must establish a connection with that host. Because IP hosts can establish multiple connections with multiple remote hosts (including the same remote host,) it becomes necessary to distinguish connections. This is what IP port numbers do. Some port numbers are referred to as `Well Known' ports. These are ports which are reserved for specific types of communication. You will find the list of Well Known ports in the /etc/services file. You will probably recognize a few of these: ftp 21/tcp #File Transfer [Control] telnet 23/tcp http 80/tcp www www-http #World Wide Web HTTP When you use FTP, your host connects to port number 21 of the remote host. Meanwhile, other people are also likely use FTP to connect to port number 21 of the same remote host. For example, the server at ftp.cdrom.com is likely to have several thousand FTP connections established at any moment. You may also perform another FTP connection to the same remote host while your first FTP connection is still going. So how is the remote system supposed to distinguish between all of these different connections? Any one connection between two IP hosts is described by a tuple of five components: local IP address local port number Protocol remote IP address remote port number If you establish two FTP sessions with port 21 at ftp.cdrom.com, the only component that will change is the local port number. When some other host establishes a connection with port 21 of ftp.cdrom.com, their local IP address and port will be different. If you FTP to two different hosts, the remote IP addresses will be different. This is how IP hosts distinguish between multiple connections. The 'soft' ports you mentioned I don't recognize. -- Allen Campbell | Lurking at the bottom of the allenc@verinet.com | gravity well, getting old. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 22 13:44:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05018 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:44:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca (hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca [207.107.250.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05013 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:44:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grgaud@sprint.ca) Received: from grgaud (spc-isp-ott-uas-13-44.sprint.ca [209.103.35.145]) by hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA21417 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 16:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19980822164340.007a5100@pop3.sprint.ca> X-Sender: grgaud@pop3.sprint.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 16:43:40 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G.R. Gaudreau" Subject: Re: Ports (was: FreeBSD main platform & Linux) In-Reply-To: <35DF29AC.70062752@verinet.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980821053638.0068ea4c@pop.netaddress.com> <3.0.5.32.19980822074143.007a1aa0@pop3.sprint.ca> <3.0.6.32.19980822142714.007a9a20@pop3.sprint.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:27 PM 8/22/98 -0600, Allen Campbell wrote: >This is the classic case of a much too overloaded term. I'll share what >I know. > >I'll start with the FreeBSD ports collection. To 'port' software is to >make it compatible with another platform. A person doing this is may be >called a porter, who is porting software. The result is sometimes >called a port. FreeBSD maintains a large and growing collection of >these ports. Using these ports, you may obtain the standard >distribution of some piece of software and allow the ports system to >automatically 'patch' and install the distribution. The handbook and >the ports man page have more information on the FreeBSD ports >collection. >The 'soft' ports you mentioned I don't recognize. Thanks a bunch Allen, I wasn't sure what those were. I knew about the software ports, and had heard about the IP ports, but didn't know how and why they were used. The term "soft ports" was my way of distiguinshing between hardware ports (Com 1 & 2, printer ports on computers) and IP ports which seem te me to be of the "software" type. Perhaps that's a mistaken understanding I have of the difference between what is hardware and software. I assumed that because IP ports are part of a software program, that I could legitimately call them soft ports, as opposed to physical ports on a computer's motherboard, though I realize that the term may not be commonly used. Regards, G.R. GAUDREAU SBG-KEY: 4002-7dc5-50c9-eb0d-b07b-7442 The opinions expressed above are my own, and do not necessarely reflect my own. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 22 18:59:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02246 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:59:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from as5200-port-254.no.neosoft.com (as5200-port-254.no.neosoft.com [206.27.167.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02233 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:59:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from conrads@as5200-port-254.no.neosoft.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by as5200-port-254.no.neosoft.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id UAA15104; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:56:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19980822164340.007a5100@pop3.sprint.ca> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:56:51 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: conrads@neosoft.com Organization: NeoSoft, Inc. From: Conrad Sabatier To: "G.R. Gaudreau" Subject: Re: Ports (was: FreeBSD main platform & Linux) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 22-Aug-98 G.R. Gaudreau wrote: > > Thanks a bunch Allen, I wasn't sure what those were. I knew about the > software ports, and had heard about the IP ports, but didn't know how > and why they were used. The term "soft ports" was my way of > distiguinshing between hardware ports (Com 1 & 2, printer ports on > computers) and IP ports which seem te me to be of the "software" > type. Perhaps that's a mistaken understanding I have of the > difference between what is hardware and software. I assumed that > because IP ports are part of a software program, that I could > legitimately call them soft ports, as opposed to physical ports on a > computer's motherboard, though I realize that the term may not be > commonly used. For some real fun, try telnetting to machines using some of these port numbers. For instance, you can telnet into a news server using "telnet host 119" and actually issue NNTP protocol commands and see what the server does. Port 25 (and the proper remote host) will get you access to a system's mail server. Toys for geeks, you know. :-) ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Conrad Sabatier Date: 22-Aug-98 Time: 20:54:00 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message