From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 13 18:03:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02278 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 18:03:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.gci-net.com (mail.gci-net.com [208.2.166.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA02272 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 18:03:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from schappa@cryogen.com) Received: from ppp39-48.ght.iadfw.net (ppp39-48.ght.iadfw.net [207.136.54.176]) by mail.gci-net.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/1d.aawt) with ESMTP id ba365613 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 18:03:12 -0700 Message-Id: X-Sender: brrcda@mail.gci-net.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 19:56:26 -0500 To: FREEBSD-NEWBIES@FreeBSD.ORG From: Scott Chappa Subject: Installation with System Commander 3.03 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hopefully this is the correct forum to ask this question. I currently have System Commander installed with Win95-SR1. My HDD storage setup is the following (on the same chain): C: 341 MB 6.2 GB (into the following partitions) D: 1.6 Gb E: 1.6 Gb F: 1.6 Gb G: 1.6 Gb My desired scheme is to make the G partition completely BSD and install the OS there. First of all, is this possible? Also when I make the BSD boot disk and rebooted, I came to an menu that talked about disk slices. I assume slices=partitions? Thanks for any help. Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 13 21:30:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21028 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:30:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21023 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:30:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anarchy@crl.com) Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by mail.crl.com (8.8.8/) via SMTP id VAA07817; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:24:54 -0700 (PDT) env-from (anarchy@crl.com) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:24:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Manes To: Scott Chappa cc: FREEBSD-NEWBIES@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installation with System Commander 3.03 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hopefully this is the correct forum to ask this question. I currently have > System Commander installed with Win95-SR1. My HDD storage setup is the > following (on the same chain): > > C: 341 MB > > 6.2 GB (into the following partitions) > D: 1.6 Gb > E: 1.6 Gb > F: 1.6 Gb > G: 1.6 Gb > > My desired scheme is to make the G partition completely BSD and install the > OS there. First of all, is this possible? Also when I make the BSD boot > disk and rebooted, I came to an menu that talked about disk slices. I > assume slices=partitions? Thanks for any help. hmm, well, I'll tell you what I've done, and that might help. I had to dump freebsd though, because my cds became coasters, so trying to learn from linux until that fateful day in october when Freebsd 3.0 comes out. What I was forced to do was get rid of system commander (v3 and v4), because they just didn't work right for me, and even though lilo is a little inconvenient, its not bad. Mostly, it makes it harder to get into dos (nice dos prompt command for win98, and of course, quicker then going through the menu for old dos). I don't use it much, so its not important. My setup... 8.7gb SCSI (ID 0) - PCDOS, Win98, Linux 2.1gb SCSI (ID 1) - NT4, Linux Swap What I did was first change the boot drive from the 8.7gb drive to the 2.1gb. I installed NT, and keep in mind there were no partitions before, so it made that partition active, and put its boot drivers there. I then returned to the other order (simple boot ID command in bios), installed dos, and then win98 (95 in your case). Actually, I might have installed Linux before, but it doesn't matter. I put lilo on the boot sector, and so now I have three options. Main: Dos (dos/win), Linux, NT. The beauty is that that dumb NT-loader, which can't load any OS other then dos/win/os2, isn't popping up when I try to get at win95.. the only problem is that I have to edit the boot.ini by hand if I ever wanted too.. because NT's graphical way expects it on C:... So, I'm not quite sure what OSes you want, but out of the three, I'm all set and its nice. I don't use dos much, and only v4 has that handy win98 dos-prompt. I could even install another OS if I'd like, and just point lilo to it for boot.. they just need to have mbr's pointing to them, which they always do.. Here below is my oartitioning scheme (or slices) 8.7gb C: - dos, 700mb (fat) d: - win98, 4gb (fat32) e: - backup, 2gb (fat) * - Linux, 2gb (ext2) 2.1gb D: - NT4, 1.450gb (NTFS) * - SWAP, 100mb f: - temp, 550b (fat) I hope this helps.. it all can be done.. You can use System Comander, or whatever you'd like. What I don't understand is why you have a 300mb drive there, especially as boot. Its slower then hte 6.2gb, and will degrade performance. Personally, I'd make it second, and put it there for swaps and temp files (internet, program, self). It may be slow, like 15ms compared to the 6gb 9ms (or whatever), but slight better because while the swap is slower to access, it gets down the burden your putting on the 6gb, which is worse.. think about raid.. and try to emulate as best you can w/o it.. again.. hope this helped.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 14 15:21:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05152 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:21:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ha1.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com (ha1.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com [24.2.10.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05147 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:20:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paalleme@wave.home.com) Received: from cr722230-a ([24.113.47.199]) by ha1.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 217 ID# 1-1U40000L0S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:20:42 -0700 From: "Paul Allemekinders" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:20:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Printers? Reply-to: paalleme@home.com X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-ID: <19980914222042.AAA22610@ha1.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com@cr722230-a> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just wondering if any other newbies out there are using the HP 720C series printer with FreeBSD 2.2.7? Paul Allemekinders paalleme@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 15 22:47:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05701 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:47:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from we.mediaone.net (chmls03.mediaone.net [24.128.1.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA05695 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:47:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gummibear@mediaone.net) Received: from ale.we.mediaone.net ([24.130.60.145]) by we.mediaone.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id AAA8032 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:47:23 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980915224923.0069f384@we.mediaone.net> X-Sender: gummibear@we.mediaone.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:49:23 -0700 To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: gummibear@we.mediaone.net Subject: My trials with FreeBSD (a positive story) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey Folks, Well over this past week I have learned that I really need to start keeping a diary of what I do with my FreeBSD box. I had reinstalled FreeBSD after taking a long hiatus from the OS. I was welcomed pretty nicely back into the OS, because I only had to reinstall it once. :) Going back to my diary thing, I learned that I should have writted down what I had done when I installed it and what packages I had installed. Now I have friends coming up to me asking for help and I don't remember what I did myself to have it install so nicely. Well, first thing I did was change the root shell to tcsh because I can't live without command line editing. Although, I really got used to using a bash shell because my year's worth of experience with Linux. Maybe later I'll change it, but for now I have to figure out how to get my tcsh prompt to display my current directory. I think if I add `pwd` to the prompt line it will fix that, but I'll screw with that later. I added some more ports and stuff to make my system pretty much the way I had my Linux system. I'm not saying that my Linux system was better, just that I had it all tweaked the way I wanted it. Now I have to do the same to my FreeBSD box, which I must say is running really great! I just had a cable modem installed. I pretty much paniced when I had to go out and buy an ethernet card because I didn't know what ethernet card would work with FreeBSD. I chose some generic PCI card that was NE2000 compatible. I didn't feel like spending a wad of cash for those expensive Intel or 3com brands. The card was detected fine, but it was detected as ed1 which did not satisfy me. I felt that the first network card should be on ed0 (NE200 card that is). So after asking for help in the questions list, I finally got my answer to how to fix this problem. I believe that Johnathan Chen was the one that helped me with that. (Thanks John!!) But before I actually received my answer, I had compiled my kernel like 3 times trying to get my ethernet card on ed0 instead of ed1. Well I changed the device line of my ethernet card to "device ed? at pci?" and recompiled and BANG! - it worked. My ethernet card is now on ed0. :) Now I'm satisfied. :) Next I downloaded the port for wide-dhcp which someone (Thanks alot to you too!!) else helped me out with. I installed it can got my cable modem up and running in no time at all. Damn is it fast!!! :) Hmmm...now I want to see if I can set up my machine to be a server of some sort. I'm thinking I want to start servering/trading mp3's or something. Just to have fun with. I get a dynamic IP so I don't know if I can get it registered on ml.org but who knows? :) Anyone ever try this? Well, I guess that's all for now. I have to help out a friend soon install FreeBSD on his system. He pretty much freaked out when he saw the login: after he installed. Then he tried reinstalling. Don't know why though. I think I shall show him the way. :) Thanks for listening. Joey Bear Garcia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 16 02:34:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA10804 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 02:34:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from witch.xtra.co.nz (witch.xtra.co.nz [202.27.184.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA10737 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 02:34:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker (210-55-210-87.ipnets.xtra.co.nz [210.55.210.87]) by witch.xtra.co.nz (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA09684; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 21:33:45 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <199809160933.VAA09684@witch.xtra.co.nz> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: gummibear@we.mediaone.net Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 21:34:07 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: My trials with FreeBSD (a positive story) Reply-to: junkmale@xtra.co.nz CC: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980915224923.0069f384@we.mediaone.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 15 Sep 98, at 22:49, gummibear@we.mediaone.net wrote: > Well over this past week I have learned that I really need to start > keeping a diary of what I do with my FreeBSD box. I had reinstalled > FreeBSD after taking a long hiatus from the OS. I was welcomed pretty > nicely back into the OS, because I only had to reinstall it once. :) Keeping a diary is a very good idea. I encourage you and others to do so. A diary helps you to see what you did the first time, if you ever need to do it a second time. Plus, if you screwed up, others can check it over and see where you went wrong. That's exactly what got me started with The FreeBSD Diary (http://www.FreeBSDDiary.com). More importantly, the Diary helps others who want to accomplish what others have already done. The best audience is those who are installing the given port for the first time. But the Diary is also useful as a guide to the non-newbies. Mainly to remind them of what they once didn't know. It is often that case that as people gain experience, they forget what it was like to know nothing. One of the goals of the diary is to provide an easy to follow guide for people who are using FreeBSD. When learning anything, and in this case particularly FreeBSD, the lack of knowledge is not a reflection on ability. Many people who come to FreeBSD are very able. They just don't have the knowledge. The people who monitor the mailing lists hope to pass on some of the knowledge they have gained. The mailing list and The FreeBSD Diary are my contributions. And the feedback I've received is encouraging. Thanks to those that have sent suggestions and comments. -- Dan Langille DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - my [mis]adventures http://www.FreeBSDDiary.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 16 10:49:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA26012 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:49:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www0g.netaddress.usa.net (www0g.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA25972 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:49:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gekk0@usa.net) Received: (qmail 7782 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 1998 17:48:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19980916174848.7781.qmail@www0g.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 199.190.198.20 by mail.netaddress.com via web-mailer(3.1) on Wed Sep 16 17:48:48 GMT 1998 Date: 16 Sep 98 10:48:48 PDT From: gekk0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [My trials with FreeBSD (a positive story)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hiya, You can get a domain name from ml.org using their dynamic DNS service, itwould be like garcia.dyn.ml.org. There are a few scripts out there that you can run to automatically update your ip addy everytime you start ppp. Regards, Kevin ---------------- I get a dynamic IP so I don't know if I can get it registered on ml.org but who knows? :) Anyone ever try this? Joey Bear Garcia ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 16 12:59:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23299 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:59:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from eos.hitc.com (eos.east.hitc.com [38.177.222.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23289 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:59:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bcrosby@eos.EAST.HITC.COM) Received: from eos.east.hitc.com (bcrosby@stealth.hitc.com [155.157.33.36]) by eos.hitc.com (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA27588 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36001999.D2644A1A@eos.east.hitc.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:03:37 -0400 From: Boris Crosby Reply-To: bcrosby@eos.EAST.HITC.COM X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: NIS Question. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, I am new to FreeBSD and have a question on setting up NIS in a sun enviroment. So far I have been able to get my system to see the maps. but I can't get users to login. I mave the "+::::::::" in my password file as well as setup my rc.conf file. Any help with this would be welcome. Boris Crosby. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 16 16:51:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12392 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:51:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from inet.chipweb.ml.org (c1003518-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com [24.1.82.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA12242 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:51:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ludwigp@bigfoot.com) Message-Id: <199809162351.QAA12242@hub.freebsd.org> Received: (qmail 11420 invoked from network); 16 Sep 1998 23:50:41 -0000 Received: from speedy.chipweb.ml.org (172.16.1.1) by inet.chipweb.ml.org with SMTP; 16 Sep 1998 23:50:41 -0000 X-Sender: ludwigp2@mail-r X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:50:35 -0700 To: gummibear@we.mediaone.net, newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Ludwig Pummer Subject: Re: My trials with FreeBSD (a positive story) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980915224923.0069f384@we.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:49 PM 9/15/98 -0700, gummibear@we.mediaone.net wrote: >Hmmm...now I want to see if I can set up my machine to be a server of some >sort. I'm thinking I want to start servering/trading mp3's or something. You might want to watch out with this. It's against some cable modem companies' user terms of service. If you do run a server, try to make sure it isn't super-busy, since that could bring the cable modem company's attention to your server. besides, cable modems are fast for downloading, but uploading is much slower. >Just to have fun with. I get a dynamic IP so I don't know if I can get it >registered on ml.org but who knows? :) Anyone ever try this? someone already posted that you can get a something.dyn.ml.org listing. i had this for a while. there are some shell scripts which work with FreeBSD, but the one I used had you put your IP on the command line. search the -questions archives for a nice shell script to grab your IP (not written by me). --Ludwig Pummer ludwigp@bigfoot.com ludwigp@chipweb.ml.org ICQ UIN: 692441 http://chipweb.home.ml.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 16 17:44:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25711 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:44:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pteradactyl (pteradactyl.vaniercollege.qc.ca [205.236.144.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA25554 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:43:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from labrinop@pop.vaniercollege.qc.ca) From: labrinop@pop.vaniercollege.qc.ca Received: from labrinop.vaniercollege.qc.ca by pteradactyl (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA19214; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:47:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199809170047.UAA19214@pteradactyl> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:49:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Installation with System Commander 3.03 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 Scott Chappa wrote: > Hopefully this is the correct forum to ask this question. I > currently have System Commander installed with Win95-SR1. My HDD > storage setup is the following (on the same chain): > > C: 341 MB > > 6.2 GB (into the following partitions) > D: 1.6 Gb > E: 1.6 Gb > F: 1.6 Gb > G: 1.6 Gb > > My desired scheme is to make the G partition completely BSD and > install the OS there. First of all, is this possible? Also when I > make the BSD boot disk and rebooted, I came to an menu that talked > about disk slices. I assume slices=partitions? Thanks for any > help. FreeBSD can boot (and run) from a slice in the second drive, but if i'm correct, on your hard drive, D: is a primary partition and E:, F:, and G: are in an extended partition (ie: G is in F and F is in E). Since FreeBSD can't boot from an extended partition, you will have to: 1) Reorganize your hard drives to make room 2) Release G: with a good disk editor (technical!) PeterL To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 17 07:59:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA20302 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:59:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gpgate.sv.msl.mitel.com (gpgate.gpsemi.com [144.168.150.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA20209 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:58:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Ian_Haskins@mitel.com) Received: from Swindon.msl.mitel.com (dns0.swindon.msl.mitel.com [144.168.16.4]) by gpgate.sv.msl.mitel.com (8.8.8/AS) with ESMTP id HAA16442; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from galahad.swindon.msl.mitel.com (galahad.swindon.msl.mitel.com [144.168.188.47]) by Swindon.msl.mitel.com (8.8.5/8.8.5r) with ESMTP id PAA22614; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:51:48 +0100 (BST) Received: by galahad.swindon.msl.mitel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:51:49 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ian Haskins To: advertise-anything@makelist.com, fathersworld@fathersworld.com, freemoney-list@aaronsrod.com, IMMNET@indnet.org, investment_strategies@makelist.com, makecash@makelist.com, millionaires@makelist.com, NET-LAWYERS@peach.ease.lsoft.com, 9000@mcc.ac.uk, PROBE-PERF@AMBER.ORG, ozretire@lists.vicnet.net.au, single-moms@moms-refuge.com, sports-gambling-list@vilya.pair.com, StudentDOctor@com.msu.edu, uk-royalty@oaktree.co.uk, list@visa-free.com, wallstreet@shore.net, working_moms@moms-refuge.com, pacers@storm.cadcam.iupui.edu, colts@storm.cadcam.iupui.edu, bucd-alum@makelist.com, animaniarpg-l@makelist.com, arcade@syslog.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, DIG_REF@listserv.syr.edu, dfu2@makelist.com, texasflood@moss.verinet.com, cantamos@angus.mystery.com, tpin@parnassus.dana.edu, "'space-marine@acc.umu.se'" Subject: RE: [Epic] Please read our story....... 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If this opportunity has reached you > in > error, please forgive us and send a reply with "Remove" in the subject > area. > ************************************************************************** > **************** > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 18 19:30:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01370 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:30:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01360 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:30:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA07775 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 12:30:17 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 12:30:17 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199809190230.MAA07775@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 30 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources:charters.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message