From owner-freebsd-scsi Mon Dec 28 14:26:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02058 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 14:26:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA02053 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 14:26:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zul6d-0006Ej-00; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:25:43 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA13315; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:23:44 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812282223.PAA13315@harmony.village.org> To: Joerg Wunsch Subject: Re: 3.0R && AHA1540A == no go Cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:00:50 +0100." <19981223000050.28179@uriah.heep.sax.de> References: <19981223000050.28179@uriah.heep.sax.de> <19981222173104.28962@uriah.heep.sax.de> <199812222134.OAA14499@narnia.plutotech.com> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:23:44 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <19981223000050.28179@uriah.heep.sax.de> J Wunsch writes: : > I believe that the 1540A does not support residual calculating : > CCB opcodes. : : I'm almost sure it doesn't. It doesn't. The old driver would use the residual codes if the card was new enough, and the older, non-residual updating OPCODEs for the older cards. : > So, you'd have to modify the driver to use these : > opcodes on pre-historic devices. : : `these'? (Sorry, which ones?) To use the non-residual opcodes. : IOW: under normal circumstances, is it likely that residuals are : reported at all? Or in case an adapter doesn't support them, can we : just assume there's no residual (without big harm)? I have no good : clues about what a residual actual means other than `something was : left over from an old request' or something like that... The residuals aren't reported on the 1540A. If you'd like to put code to do that in the aha.c driver, I'd be happy to let it into the driver. : It would be too bad if i had to throw away an otherwise working : controller that does its job well (well enough for the environment : it's running in, remember it's a scratch machine). I probably would : stick with 2.2.x then, but that's a less optimal solution. I'm too busy to do the coding, but would be happy to review changes that others come up with. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Mon Dec 28 14:34:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03342 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 14:34:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pth.com (pault.dca.primenet.com [206.165.112.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA03333 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 14:34:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@pth.com) Received: from pentium by pth.com (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA05548; Mon, 28 Dec 98 17:39:37 -0500 X-Mailer: PopOver 2.0.131b (Windows NT; i386) From: "Paul T. Haddad" Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:34:19 -0500 To: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Unexpected busfree Message-Id: <9812281734.AA195313@pentium> X-Image-Url: http://www.primenet.com/~pault/paul.tiff Received: by NeXT.Mailer (PopOver.2.0.131b.RR) Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All, I keep getting the following messages (mostly under high load). Under sufficiently high load (make -j 8 world and a few more I/O intensive processes) the machine becomes unusable with these messages happening every few seconds. (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): SCB 0x5 - timed out while idle, LASTPHASE == 0x1, SEQADDR == 0 x9 (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): Queuing a BDR SCB (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): Bus Device Reset Message Sent (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): no longer in timeout, status = 353 Unexpected busfree. LASTPHASE == 0xa0 SEQADDR == 0x14f I know someone asked the same question very recently and the suggestion was to check the drives firmware. I haven't been able to find any info on how to update the firmware on my drives (Conner CFP2107E) and would really doubt there is any upgrades out there (though if anyone knows any different please let me know). Anyways this is a very recent kernel (< 1 week old), the dmesg output is listed below. This seems to happen more often when I have the drives mounted async and happens on both da1 which is a vinum subdisk and da0 which is my main drive (I haven't noticed the problem on da2, though it may happen there too). If you have any suggestions on how to get rid of these errors I would really appreciate it. --- Paul Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #2: Sun Dec 27 22:26:19 EST 1998 paul@netserver.pth.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/SMP-NETSERVER Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium/P54C (586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x525 Stepping=5 Features=0x3bf real memory = 100663296 (98304K bytes) config> quit avail memory = 95240192 (93008K bytes) Programming 16 pins in IOAPIC #0 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00030010, at 0xfee00000 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 2, version: 0x00030010, at 0xfee00000 cpu2 (AP): apic id: 3, version: 0x00030010, at 0xfee00000 cpu3 (AP): apic id: 4, version: 0x00030010, at 0xfee00000 io0 (APIC): apic id: 14, version: 0x000f0011, at 0xfec00000 eisa0: Probing for devices on the EISA bus Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x02 on pci0.0.0 fxp0: rev 0x02 int a irq 9 on pci0.12.0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:60:b0:6a:74:14 chip1: rev 0x05 on pci0.14.0 Probing for devices on PCI bus 1: chip3: rev 0x02 on pci1.0.0 ahc0: rev 0x03 int a irq 10 on pci1.13.0 ahc0: Using left over BIOS settings ahc0: aic7870 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs ahc1: rev 0x03 int a irq 15 on pci1.14.0 ahc1: aic7870 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs ahc1: Host Adapter Bios disabled. Using default SCSI device parameters ncr0: rev 0x01 int a irq 11 on pci1.15.0 Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface psm0 not found at 0x60 fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface Intel Pentium detected, installing workaround for F00F bug APIC_IO: Testing 8254 interrupt delivery APIC_IO: routing 8254 via pin 2 IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding disabled, unlimited logging Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #2 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #3 Launched! sa0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 sa0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device sa0: 5.0MB/s transfers (5.0MHz, offset 8) da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 20.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 2048MB (4194304 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 2048C) da2 at ahc1 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da2: 20.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da2: 2048MB (4194304 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 261C) da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da1: 20.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da1: 2048MB (4194304 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 2048C) cd1 at ncr0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0 cd1: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd1: 3.300MB/s transfers cd1: cd present [304767 x 2048 byte records] cd2 at ncr0 bus 0 target 4 lun 1 cd2: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd2: 3.300MB/s transfers cd2: cd present [332014 x 2048 byte records] cd0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd0: 4.32MB/s transfers (4.32MHz, offset 15) cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present cd8 at ncr0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 cd8: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd8: 10.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 8) cd8: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present changing root device to da0s1a vinum: loaded vinum: drive drive1 is up vinum: drive drive2 is up vinum: subdisk main.p0.s0 is up vinum: subdisk main.p0.s1 is up vinum: plex main.p0 is up vinum: volume main is up (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): tagged openings now 31 (da2:ahc1:0:5:0): tagged openings now 32 cd3 at ncr0 bus 0 target 4 lun 2 cd3: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd3: 3.300MB/s transfers cd3: cd present [314161 x 2048 byte records] cd4 at ncr0 bus 0 target 4 lun 3 cd4: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd4: 3.300MB/s transfers cd4: cd present [320202 x 2048 byte records] cd5 at ncr0 bus 0 target 4 lun 4 cd5: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd5: 3.300MB/s transfers cd5: cd present [313405 x 2048 byte records] cd6 at ncr0 bus 0 target 4 lun 5 cd6: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd6: 3.300MB/s transfers cd6: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present cd7 at ncr0 bus 0 target 4 lun 6 cd7: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd7: 3.300MB/s transfers cd7: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): SCB 0x5 - timed out while idle, LASTPHASE == 0x1, SEQADDR == 0x9 (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): Queuing a BDR SCB (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): Bus Device Reset Message Sent (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): no longer in timeout, status = 353 Unexpected busfree. LASTPHASE == 0xa0 SEQADDR == 0x14f (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): tagged openings now 31 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Mon Dec 28 20:37:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14713 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 20:37:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA14704 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 20:37:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id VAA30238; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 21:36:09 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199812290436.VAA30238@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: Unexpected busfree In-Reply-To: <9812281734.AA195313@pentium> from "Paul T. Haddad" at "Dec 28, 98 05:34:19 pm" To: paul@pth.com (Paul T. Haddad) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 21:36:09 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Paul T. Haddad wrote... > Hi All, > > I keep getting the following messages (mostly under high load). Under sufficiently high load (make -j 8 world and a few more I/O intensive processes) the machine becomes unusable with these messages happening every few seconds. > > (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): SCB 0x5 - timed out while idle, LASTPHASE == 0x1, SEQADDR == 0 > x9 > (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): Queuing a BDR SCB > (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): Bus Device Reset Message Sent > (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): no longer in timeout, status = 353 > Unexpected busfree. LASTPHASE == 0xa0 > SEQADDR == 0x14f > > I know someone asked the same question very recently and the suggestion was to check the drives firmware. I haven't been able to find any info on how to update the firmware on my drives (Conner CFP2107E) and would really doubt there is any upgrades out there (though if anyone knows any different please let me know). > > Anyways this is a very recent kernel (< 1 week old), the dmesg output is listed below. This seems to happen more often when I have the drives mounted async and happens on both da1 which is a vinum subdisk and da0 which is my main drive (I haven't noticed the problem on da2, though it may happen there too). If you have any suggestions on how to get rid of these errors I would really appreciate it. > > --- You may want to hit return after 75 characters or so. I've got some ideas on why this may be happening, and what you can try to fix it. See below. [ ... ] > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz > CPU: Pentium/P54C (586-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x525 Stepping=5 > Features=0x3bf > real memory = 100663296 (98304K bytes) > config> quit > avail memory = 95240192 (93008K bytes) > Programming 16 pins in IOAPIC #0 > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard > cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00030010, at 0xfee00000 > cpu1 (AP): apic id: 2, version: 0x00030010, at 0xfee00000 > cpu2 (AP): apic id: 3, version: 0x00030010, at 0xfee00000 > cpu3 (AP): apic id: 4, version: 0x00030010, at 0xfee00000 > io0 (APIC): apic id: 14, version: 0x000f0011, at 0xfec00000 Interesting indeed. You don't see many quad processor systems, especially quad pentium systems. [ ... ] > da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da0: 20.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled > da0: 2048MB (4194304 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 2048C) > da2 at ahc1 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 > da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da2: 20.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled > da2: 2048MB (4194304 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 261C) > da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 > da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da1: 20.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled > da1: 2048MB (4194304 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 2048C) As you indicated above, since these are older Conner drives, it is unlikely that you'll be able to get updated firmware for them. [ ... ] > (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): tagged openings now 31 > (da2:ahc1:0:5:0): tagged openings now 32 [ ... ] > (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): SCB 0x5 - timed out while idle, LASTPHASE == 0x1, SEQADDR == 0x9 > (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): Queuing a BDR SCB > (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): Bus Device Reset Message Sent > (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): no longer in timeout, status = 353 The timed out while idle messages are generally caused when a device "goes out to lunch" and does not return a request before the timeout expires. In the case of the da driver, the read and write timeouts are 60 seconds. To wake the drive up, we hit it over the head with a BDR. This generally will get most devices up and running again. One possible explanation for your drive's behavior is that the firmware doesn't react well to the queue full condition. I would suggest limiting the maximum number of tags that we send to the drives, to avoid the queue full condition. If you want to be conservative about it, you can set the maximum at 24 or so, and see what happens. Keep in mind that this will reduce the number of I/O requests that can be queued to the drive at any one time. It might, however, fix your problem. Go into sys/cam/cam_xpt.c. You'll see a number of quirk entries, starting at around line 240. Woooh, wait a second. There's already a quirk entry for your drive! It says that drive is broken for tagged queueing! But the problem is that the removable flag is set: { /* Broken tagged queuing drive */ { T_DIRECT, SIP_MEDIA_REMOVABLE, "CONNER", "CFP2107*", "*" }, /*quirks*/0, /*mintags*/0, /*maxtags*/0 }, So, just change it to: { /* Broken tagged queuing drive */ { T_DIRECT, SIP_MEDIA_FIXED, "CONNER", "CFP2107*", "*" }, /*quirks*/0, /*mintags*/0, /*maxtags*/0 }, Hopefully your problem will go away. I won't be able to commit that fix until next week, so hopefully someone else can step in and do it. If not, I'll do it sometime next week. Until then, you can run with that change made locally, and see if it fixes your problem. > Unexpected busfree. LASTPHASE == 0xa0 > SEQADDR == 0x14f I can't remember exactly why these messages pop up. Justin knows, though. If he's around, maybe he'll explain. > (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): tagged openings now 31 Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Tue Dec 29 09:39:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22335 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:39:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from foobar.franken.de (foobar.franken.de [194.94.249.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22328 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:39:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from logix@foobar.franken.de) Received: (from logix@localhost) by foobar.franken.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) id SAA25900 for freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:39:05 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <19981229183905.A25882@foobar.franken.de> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:39:05 +0100 From: Harold Gutch To: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: parity error at boot-time Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i X-Organisation: BatmanSystemDistribution X-Mission: To free the world from the Penguin Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, using a IBM DDRS-34560 drive connected to externally to my Adaptec 2940 on a "classic" (== non-CAM) system, I get the following error-messages when booting: ahc0 rev 1 int a irq 9 on pci0:8:0 mapreg[10] type=1 addr=0000e800 size=0100. mapreg[14] type=0 addr=e7020000 size=1000. reg16: ioaddr=0xe800 size=0x100 ahc0: Reading SEEPROM...checksum error ahc0: No SEEPROM available ahc0: Using left over BIOS settings ahc0: aic7880 Wide Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16 SCBs ahc0: Resetting Channel A ahc0: Downloading Sequencer Program...ahc0: 367 instructions downloaded Done ahc0: Probing channel A Choosing drivers for scbus configured at 0 ahc0 waiting for scsi devices to settle ahc0: target 2 using 16Bit transfers (ahc0:2:0): parity error during Command phase. ahc0: board is not responding cmd fail (ahc0:2:0): SCB 0x0 - timed out in command phase, SCSISIGI == 0x56 SEQADDR = 0x42 SCSISEQ = 0x12 SSTAT0 = 0x7 SSTAT1 = 0x17 (ahc0:2:0): abort message in message buffer (ahc0:2:0): "unknown unknown ????" type 13 fixed SCSI 0 uk0(ahc0:2:0): Unknown ahc0: board is not responding (ahc0:2:1): SCB 0x1 timedout while recovery in progress ahc0: board is not responding cmd fail (ahc0:2:1): SCB 0x2 timedout while recovery in progress (ahc0:2:1): "unknown unknown ????" type 13 fixed SCSI 0 uk1(ahc0:2:1): Unknown At this point I switched off the drive and everything continued normally. Disabling parity checking in the BIOS of the controller doesn't help, as FreeBSD seems to enable it again (at least it is enabled again when I boot again and check in the BIOS). I would blame the drive to be broken or something similar, the weird thing is that I can use the drive without any problems with Windows 98 on the same machine. I guess this all is some easy "standard" problem, but I wasn't able to find anything in the archives for this list. -- bye, logix Sleep is an abstinence syndrome wich occurs due to lack of caffein. Wed Mar 4 04:53:33 CET 1998 #unix, ircnet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Tue Dec 29 16:48:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06464 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:48:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA06451 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:48:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 26786 invoked by uid 1001); 30 Dec 1998 00:48:00 +0000 (GMT) To: nsouch@teaser.fr Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Request fo help with Zip Drive on vpo0 in -current] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:02:32 +0000" References: <19981228180232.58123@breizh.prism.uvsq.fr> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:48:00 +0100 Message-ID: <26784.914978880@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >Parallel ZIP doesn't work here, using sources CVSupped today (Dec 28th). > >Perhaps the cause isn't in the ppc/ppbus/vpo code; the problem > >I see is that da0 isn't initialized, so I think that scbus0 doesn't > >get attached to vpo0 for some reason. Some parts of the CAM code > >have changed in the last month... > > > >These are my kernel config lines related to the parallel bus: > > > >controller scbus0 # Lo necesita el ZIP paralelo. > >device da0 # Y esto también. > >controller ppbus0 # Bus paralelo > >controller vpo0 at ppbus? # ZIP paralelo > >device nlpt0 at ppbus? # Impresora > >controller ppc0 at isa? port ? tty irq 7 flags 0x04 ... > >After that, there is no mention to any "da" device. I had the same problem when I tried to use a ZIP drive (bought more than a year ago but never used before). The interface was detected as vpo0: on ppbus 0 but no da device showed up. > First, try to set your bootflags to 0x3 to force PS2/NIBBLE mode and see > if it works. Then try 0x1. > > Secondly, set 0x44 to your bootflags to force your chipset generic and > avoid NS chips detection code execution. What finally made it work for me was: EPP mode in the BIOS, and controller ppc0 at isa? port ? tty irq 7 in the kernel config. Ie. no flags at all. With this setup, my Zip drive is detected as da1 at vpo0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 da1: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device da1: 196608 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 96C (the size printout is non-standard, more on this below). During my testing of this, I attempted to use CAMDEBUG, with options CAMDEBUG options "CAM_DEBUG_BUS=-1" options "CAM_DEBUG_TARGET=-1" options "CAM_DEBUG_LUN=-1" options "CAM_DEBUG_FLAGS=CAM_DEBUG_INFOøCAM_DEBUG_TRACEøCAM_DEBUG_CDB" in the kernel config. With these options and "normal" parallel port mode in the BIOS (no EPP), the Zip drive is detected as: da1 at vpo0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 da1: < > Fixed Direct Access SCSI-0 device da1: 1 0 byte sectors: 0H 0S/T 0C and the 0 byte sector size leads to a divide by zero and corresponding panic at dadone() line 1290 in sys/cam/scsi/scsi_da.c: snprintf(announce_buf, sizeof(announce_buf), "%ldMB (%d %d byte sectors: %dH %dS/T %dC)", dp->sectors / ((1024L * 1024L) / dp->secsize), dp->sectors, dp->secsize, dp->heads, dp->secs_per_track, dp->cylinders); I removed the MB printout and the corresponding calculation to avoid the divide by zero and continue testing. Maybe the sector size should be forced to 1 if it is detected as zero, to avoid the divide by zero panic? Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Tue Dec 29 17:43:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12278 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:43:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA12221 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:43:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 27333 invoked by uid 1001); 30 Dec 1998 01:43:10 +0000 (GMT) To: nsouch@teaser.fr Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Request fo help with Zip Drive on vpo0 in -current] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:48:00 +0100" References: <26784.914978880@verdi.nethelp.no> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:43:10 +0100 Message-ID: <27331.914982190@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > What finally made it work for me was: EPP mode in the BIOS, and > > controller ppc0 at isa? port ? tty irq 7 > > in the kernel config. Ie. no flags at all. With this setup, my Zip drive > is detected as > > da1 at vpo0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 > da1: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da1: 196608 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 96C A followup: There is probably a timing-related issue here. If I remove the various CAMDEBUG options, the Zip drive isn't detected. With the CAMDEBUG options (and thus lots of extra printout), it is detected. Verbose boot or not makes no difference. A diff between the boot -v messages: 211a212,222 > (probe7:vpo0:0:6:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 > (probe7:vpo0:0:6:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 > (probe7:vpo0:0:6:0): Invalid field in CDB > (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_compile_path > (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_setup_ccb > (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_action > (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_free_path > (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_release_path > (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_compile_path > (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_setup_ccb > (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_action 215a227,231 > (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_free_path > (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_release_path > (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_compile_path > (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_setup_ccb > (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_action 224,225c240,243 < Considering FFS root f/s. < changing root device to da0s1a --- > pass2 at vpo0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 > pass2: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device > (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_free_path > (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_release_path 230a249,253 > da1 at vpo0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 > da1: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da1: 96MB (196608 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 96C) > Considering FFS root f/s. > changing root device to da0s1a Below is the complete boot -v output from a kernel with the CAMDEBUG options. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #2: Wed Dec 30 02:23:08 CET 1998 sthaug@overdi.nethelp.no:/local/freebsd/src/sys/compile/OVERDI Calibrating clock(s) ... TSC clock: 133278140 Hz, i8254 clock: 1193692 Hz CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default frequency Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CLK_USE_TSC_CALIBRATION not specified - using old calibration method Timecounter "TSC" frequency 133221833 Hz CPU: Pentium/P54C (133.22-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52b Stepping=11 Features=0x1bf real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) Physical memory chunk(s): 0x00001000 - 0x0009efff, 647168 bytes (158 pages) 0x00270000 - 0x03ff7fff, 64520192 bytes (15752 pages) config> quit avail memory = 62771200 (61300K bytes) Found BIOS32 Service Directory header at 0xf00fb2e0 Entry = 0xfb790 (0xf00fb790) Rev = 0 Len = 1 PCI BIOS entry at 0xb7c0 Other BIOS signatures found: ACPI: 00000000 $PnP: 000fc040 Math emulator present pci_open(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x8000005c pci_open(1a): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000) pci_cfgcheck: device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=00] is there (id=122d8086) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x122d, revid=0x02 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 chip0: rev 0x02 on pci0.0.0 CPU Inactivity timer: clocks Peer Concurrency: enabled CPU-to-PCI Write Bursting: enabled PCI Streaming: enabled Bus Concurrency: enabled Cache: 512K dual-bank pipelined-burst secondary; L1 enabled DRAM: no memory hole, 66 MHz refresh Read burst timing: x-2-2-2/x-3-3-3 Write burst timing: x-2-2-2 RAS-CAS delay: 3 clocks found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x122e, revid=0x02 class=06-01-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 chip1: rev 0x02 on pci0.7.0 I/O Recovery Timing: 8-bit 1 clocks, 16-bit 1 clocks Extended BIOS: enabled Lower BIOS: enabled Coprocessor IRQ13: enabled Mouse IRQ12: disabled Interrupt Routing: A: IRQ10, B: IRQ11, C: disabled, D: IRQ9 MB0: IRQ15, MB1: IRQ7 found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x1230, revid=0x02 class=01-01-80, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 map[0]: type 4, range 32, base 00003000, size 4 ide_pci0: rev 0x02 on pci0.7.1 intel_piix_status: primary master/slave sample = 5, master/slave recovery = 4 intel_piix_status: primary master fastDMAonly disabled, pre/post disabled, intel_piix_status: IORDY sampling disabled, intel_piix_status: fast PIO disabled intel_piix_status: primary master/slave sample = 5, master/slave recovery = 4 intel_piix_status: primary slave fastDMAonly disabled, pre/post disabled, intel_piix_status: IORDY sampling disabled, intel_piix_status: fast PIO disabled ide_pci: busmaster 0 status: 04 from port: 00003002 intel_piix_status: secondary master/slave sample = 5, master/slave recovery = 4 intel_piix_status: secondary master fastDMAonly disabled, pre/post disabled, intel_piix_status: IORDY sampling disabled, intel_piix_status: fast PIO disabled intel_piix_status: secondary master/slave sample = 5, master/slave recovery = 4 intel_piix_status: secondary slave fastDMAonly disabled, pre/post disabled, intel_piix_status: IORDY sampling disabled, intel_piix_status: fast PIO disabled ide_pci: busmaster 1 status: 04 from port: 0000300a found-> vendor=0x1000, dev=0x0001, revid=0x02 class=01-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=10 map[0]: type 4, range 32, base 00006000, size 8 map[1]: type 1, range 32, base f1100000, size 8 ncr0: rev 0x02 int a irq 10 on pci0.17.0 ncr0: minsync=25, maxsync=206, maxoffs=8, 16 dwords burst, normal dma fifo ncr0: single-ended, open drain IRQ driver found-> vendor=0x1011, dev=0x0009, revid=0x22 class=02-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=11 map[0]: type 4, range 32, base 00006100, size 7 map[1]: type 1, range 32, base f1102000, size 7 de0: rev 0x22 int a irq 11 on pci0.18.0 de0: ACCTON EN1207 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.2 de0: address 00:00:e8:3a:b8:a9 bpf: de0 attached found-> vendor=0x1002, dev=0x4758, revid=0x03 class=03-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 map[0]: type 1, range 32, base f0000000, size 24 vga0: rev 0x03 on pci0.19.0 found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x1229, revid=0x02 class=02-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=9 map[0]: type 3, range 32, base f1101000, size 12 map[1]: type 4, range 32, base 00006200, size 5 map[2]: type 1, range 32, base f1000000, size 20 fxp0: rev 0x02 int a irq 9 on pci0.20.0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:a0:c9:42:b7:5a bpf: fxp0 attached Probing for devices on the ISA bus: video: RTC equip. code:0x0f, DCC code:0xf9 video: CRTC:0x3d4, video option:0x60, rows:80, cols:25, font height:16 video: param table EGA/VGA:0xf00c02d4, CGA/MDA:0 video: rows_offset:1 video#0: adapter type:VGA (5), flags:0x7f, CRTC:0x3d4 video#0: init mode:24, bios mode:3, current mode:24 video#0: window:0xf00b8000 size:32k gran:32k, buf:0xf0000000 size:0k video#0: mode:0, flags:0x1 T 40x25, font:8x8, win:0xb8000 video#0: mode:1, flags:0x1 T 40x25, font:8x8, win:0xb8000 video#0: mode:2, flags:0x1 T 80x25, font:8x8, win:0xb8000 video#0: mode:3, flags:0x1 T 80x25, font:8x8, win:0xb8000 video#0: mode:19, flags:0x1 T 40x25, font:8x14, win:0xb8000 video#0: mode:20, flags:0x1 T 40x25, font:8x14, win:0xb8000 video#0: mode:21, flags:0x1 T 80x25, font:8x14, win:0xb8000 video#0: mode:22, flags:0x1 T 80x25, font:8x14, win:0xb8000 video#0: mode:23, flags:0x1 T 40x25, font:8x16, win:0xb8000 video#0: mode:25, flags:0x0 T 80x25, font:8x16, win:0xb0000 video#0: mode:24, flags:0x1 T 80x25, font:8x16, win:0xb8000 video#0: mode:7, flags:0x0 T 80x25, font:8x14, win:0xb0000 video#0: mode:112, flags:0x1 T 80x43, font:8x8, win:0xb8000 video#0: mode:113, flags:0x1 T 80x43, font:8x8, win:0xb8000 video#0: mode:33, flags:0x0 T 80x30, font:8x16, win:0xb0000 video#0: mode:32, flags:0x1 T 80x30, font:8x16, win:0xb8000 video#0: mode:31, flags:0x0 T 80x50, font:8x8, win:0xb0000 video#0: mode:30, flags:0x1 T 80x50, font:8x8, win:0xb8000 video#0: mode:35, flags:0x0 T 80x60, font:8x8, win:0xb0000 video#0: mode:34, flags:0x1 T 80x60, font:8x8, win:0xb8000 video#0: mode:4, flags:0x3 G 320x200x2, 1 plane(s), font:8x8, win:0xb8000 video#0: mode:5, flags:0x3 G 320x200x2, 1 plane(s), font:8x8, win:0xb8000 video#0: mode:6, flags:0x3 G 640x200x1, 1 plane(s), font:8x8, win:0xb8000 video#0: mode:13, flags:0x3 G 320x200x4, 4 plane(s), font:8x8, win:0xa0000 video#0: mode:14, flags:0x3 G 640x200x4, 4 plane(s), font:8x8, win:0xa0000 video#0: mode:15, flags:0x2 G 640x350x4, 4 plane(s), font:8x14, win:0xa0000 video#0: mode:17, flags:0x2 G 640x350x4, 4 plane(s), font:8x14, win:0xa0000 video#0: mode:16, flags:0x3 G 640x350x2, 2 plane(s), font:8x14, win:0xa0000 video#0: mode:18, flags:0x3 G 640x350x4, 4 plane(s), font:8x14, win:0xa0000 video#0: mode:26, flags:0x3 G 640x480x4, 4 plane(s), font:8x16, win:0xa0000 video#0: mode:27, flags:0x3 G 640x480x4, 4 plane(s), font:8x16, win:0xa0000 video#0: mode:28, flags:0x3 G 320x200x8, 1 plane(s), font:8x8, win:0xa0000 video#0: mode:37, flags:0x3 G 320x240x8, 1 plane(s), font:8x8, win:0xa0000 VGA parameters upon power-up 50 18 10 00 00 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 bf 1f 00 4f 0e 0f 00 00 07 80 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff VGA parameters in BIOS for mode 24 50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 00 00 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff EGA/VGA parameters to be used for mode 24 50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 00 00 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff sc0: the current keyboard controller command byte 0047 kbdio: DIAGNOSE status:0055 kbdio: TEST_KBD_PORT status:0000 kbdio: RESET_KBD return code:00fa kbdio: RESET_KBD status:00aa sc0: keyboard device ID: ab41 sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ppc: parallel port found at 0x378 ppc0: SMC registers CR1=0xb6 CR4=0x1 EPP SPP ppc0 at 0x378 irq 7 on isa ppc0: SMC FDC37C665GT chipset (EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode vpo0: on ppbus 0 vpo0: EPP 1.9 mode sio0: irq maps: 0x9 0x19 0x9 0x9 sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1: irq maps: 0x1 0x9 0x1 0x1 sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0xa0ffa0ff on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): , 32-bit, multi-block-16 wd0: 4134MB (8467200 sectors), 8400 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wd0: ATA INQUIRE valid = 0007, dmamword = 0407, apio = 0003, udma = 0007 npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface i586_bzero() bandwidth = 174428745 bytes/sec bzero() bandwidth = 87588683 bytes/sec imasks: bio c0084040, tty c003009a, net c0060a00 BIOS Geometries: 0:020efe3f 0..526=527 cylinders, 0..254=255 heads, 1..63=63 sectors 0 accounted for Device configuration finished. Intel Pentium detected, installing workaround for F00F bug bpf: tun0 attached bpf: ppp0 attached new masks: bio c0084040, tty c003009a, net c0070a9a bpf: lo0 attached Waiting 2 seconds for SCSI devices to settle ncr0: restart (scsi reset). (probe7:vpo0:0:6:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 (probe7:vpo0:0:6:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 (probe7:vpo0:0:6:0): Invalid field in CDB (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_compile_path (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_setup_ccb (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_action (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_free_path (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_release_path (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_compile_path (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_setup_ccb (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_action sa0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 sa0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device sa0: Serial Number sa0: 5.0MB/s transfers (5.0MHz, offset 8) (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_free_path (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_release_path (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_compile_path (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_setup_ccb (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_action pass0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 pass0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device pass0: Serial Number pass0: 5.0MB/s transfers (5.0MHz, offset 8) pass1 at ncr0 bus 0 target 2 lun 0 pass1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device pass1: Serial Number B3FS9312 pass1: 10.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 8), Tagged Queueing Enabled pass2 at vpo0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 pass2: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_free_path (noperiph:xpt0:0:X:X): xpt_release_path da0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 2 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: Serial Number B3FS9312 da0: 10.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 8), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 4134MB (8467200 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 527C) da1 at vpo0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 da1: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device da1: 96MB (196608 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 96C) Considering FFS root f/s. changing root device to da0s1a da0s1: type 0xa5, start 63, end = 8466254, size 8466192 : OK ffs_mountfs: superblock updated for soft updates ffs_mountfs: superblock updated for soft updates ffs_mountfs: superblock updated for soft updates To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Tue Dec 29 20:50:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00100 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:50:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from remler.nas.nasa.gov (remler.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA29995 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:50:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@nas.nasa.gov) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by remler.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA14354 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:49:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: remler.nas.nasa.gov: mjacob owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:49:51 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: AIC microcode problem? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Unexpected busfree. LASTPHASE == 0xa0 SEQADDR == 0x151 Unexpected busfree. LASTPHASE == 0xa0 SEQADDR == 0x151 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Dec 30 01:38:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA24492 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:38:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bayer2.bayer-ag.de (bayer2.bayer-ag.de [194.120.191.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA24483 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:38:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ANDREAS.KLEMM.AK@bayer-ag.de) From: ANDREAS.KLEMM.AK@bayer-ag.de Received: by bayer2.bayer-ag.de id KAA19278 (SMTP Gateway 3.0 for scsi@freebsd.org); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:38:26 +0100 Received: by bayer2.bayer-ag.de (Internal Mail Agent-2); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:38:26 +0100 Received: by bayer2.bayer-ag.de (Internal Mail Agent-1); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:38:26 +0100 To: " - (052)scsi(a)FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: FBSD 2.2.8: parts recommendation for fast 1 scsi channel sys Message-Id: <0006800007845734000002L042*@MHS> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:38:13 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id BAA24485 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi ! I need some recommendation for a fast FreeBSD 2.2.8 system, that is needed as an archive for router and switch data. But it*%s a small case machine, that will be located in an office, so temperature shouldn*%t get too high. I think of a PII/450 MHz system with 128 or 256 MB RAM, since fireing up about 60 or 100 Jobs in parallel at a given time, to get all router data we need, needs much memory. Performance figures are read via WWW Interface. Since this machine is an interim solution, that possibly doesn*%t go into the server room, the case will be a Desktop or small/middle tower. I need the following devices on 1 SCSI bus (preferred) CD-ROM TAPE (Sony DDS3 12/24 GB) 1 Harddisk (9 or 18 GByte) Best would be wide scsi, then I could choose the Seagate ST118273W (Wide SCSI, 18 GB, 7200 U/Min), But I doubt that it*%s easy for me then, to get CD-Rom and DDS3 in wide scsi and mixing narrow and wide depends on Wide/narrow connectors, that might cause trouble, or ?! So I thought about this: 24/32 Speed CD-ROM, Narrow Sony SDT-S9000 12/24 GB, Narrow Barracuda ST118273N, Narrow AHA2940U What do you think of this ? Other recommendations ?! BTW, is the AHA 2940U2 supported in FreeBSD 2.2.7 / 2.2.8 ? Would it be possible, to mix an U2W harddisk with narrow scsi devices like DDS3 tape and CD-ROM ??? Do you know DDS3 tapes 12/24 GB and 24 speed or higher CD-ROM*%s in wide SCSI technology ? Then I could use wide scsi and an 2940UW ! Andreas /// To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Dec 30 02:42:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA29883 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:42:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (polaris.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA29874; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:42:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jose@we.lc.ehu.es) Received: from we.lc.ehu.es (tiburon [158.227.6.111]) by polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA02191; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:41:11 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <368A0347.CA79A1BD@we.lc.ehu.es> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:41:11 +0100 From: "José Mª Alcaide" Organization: Universidad del País Vasco - Dept. de Electricidad y Electrónica X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sthaug@nethelp.no CC: nsouch@teaser.fr, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Request fo help with Zip Drive on vpo0 in -current] References: <26784.914978880@verdi.nethelp.no> <27331.914982190@verdi.nethelp.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > > A followup: There is probably a timing-related issue here. If I remove > the various CAMDEBUG options, the Zip drive isn't detected. With the > CAMDEBUG options (and thus lots of extra printout), it is detected. > Verbose boot or not makes no difference. > YES!!!!! I have added the CAM_DEBUG options, and now the da0 is initialized. Now I have: - parallel port in EPP mode in the BIOS. - ppc flags 0x7 (NIBBLE/PS2/EPP) - CAM_DEBUG options ... and it does work! I also think that there is a timing problem, so I did a little test: I removed the CAM_DEBUG options and added the SCSI_DELAY one. I was expecting that the delay introduced by this option might have the same effect that CAM_DEBUG. However, when I rebooted the new kernel I saw that there was not any delay after the "Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle" message (and the da0 device was not initialized). Why? -- JMA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- José Mª Alcaide | mailto:jose@we.lc.ehu.es Universidad del País Vasco | http://www.we.lc.ehu.es/~jose Dpto. de Electricidad y Electrónica | Facultad de Ciencias - Campus de Lejona | Tel.: +34-946012479 48940 Lejona (Vizcaya) - SPAIN | Fax: +34-944858139 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go ahead... make my day." - H. Callahan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Dec 30 04:34:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA10786 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 04:34:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bayer2.bayer-ag.de (bayer2.bayer-ag.de [194.120.191.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA10781 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 04:34:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ANDREAS.KLEMM.AK@bayer-ag.de) From: ANDREAS.KLEMM.AK@bayer-ag.de Received: by bayer2.bayer-ag.de id NAA24231 (SMTP Gateway 3.0 for scsi@freebsd.org); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:34:08 +0100 Received: by bayer2.bayer-ag.de (Internal Mail Agent-2); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:34:08 +0100 Received: by bayer2.bayer-ag.de (Internal Mail Agent-1); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:34:08 +0100 To: " - (052)scsi(a)FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Can FreeBSD boot from a 18 GB SCSI harddisk ? Message-Id: <0006800007847206000002L062*@MHS> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:13:35 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id EAA10782 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi ! If I*%d plan to get a PII 450 MHz system with an ASUS P2B-S ( or LS) board which contains an AIC 7890 chip on board, could I install FreeBSD on it and would the system run without trouble (could I access all 18 GB) ??? BTW, I just heard this board has 2 SCSI connectors (one 50 and one 68). Does this system have one or two SCSI channels ? Is it then possible, to install an Ultra 2 Wide SCSI Harddisk like the Seagate Cheetah or Barracuda on the wide connector and normal Narrow SCSI Devices like CD-Rom and Tape on the other connector ??? So to say, can I mix 20 MHZ with 80 MHz SCSI devices ??? Andreas /// To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Dec 30 06:27:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA19187 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 06:27:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paert.tse-online.de (paert.tse-online.de [194.97.69.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA19182 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 06:27:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ab@paert.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 65197 invoked by uid 1000); 30 Dec 1998 14:39:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19981230153949.A65181@paert.tse-online.de> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:39:49 +0100 From: Andreas Braukmann To: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cdrecord - write failures / 2.2.8-stable / cdrecord 1.6.1 Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i Organization: TSE TeleService GmbH Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, during the last months I've used cdrecord 1.6 without any problems on my 2.2-stable (from a few days before 2.2.8-release) system (no-cam, Plextor-Writer). Yesterday I brought it to the latest 2.2.8-stable (cvsup). Afterwards I've tried to write some CDRs (media: Kodak CD-R) with no success: Each time I got the following: [...] :: Waiting for reader process to fill input-buffer ... input-buffer ready. :: Starting new track at sector: 0 :: cdrecord: Input/output error. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: retryable error :: CDB: 2A 00 00 00 01 86 00 00 1E 00 :: status: 0x0 (GOOD STATUS) :: resid: 61440 :: cmd finished after 0.001s timeout 40s :: :: write track data: error after 798720 bytes :: Sense Bytes: 70 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 :: cdrecord: Input/output error. flush cache: scsi sendcmd: retryable error :: CDB: 35 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 :: status: 0x0 (GOOD STATUS) :: cmd finished after 4.398s timeout 120s :: Trouble flushing the cache :: Writing time: 18.989s :: Fixating... :: cdrecord: Input/output error. close track/session: scsi sendcmd: retryable error :: CDB: 5B 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 :: status: 0x0 (GOOD STATUS) :: cmd finished after 0.005s timeout 480s :: Fixating time: 0.006s :: cdrecord: fifo had 81 puts and 14 gets. :: cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 9 times full, min fill was 97%. I suppose that these are some kind of real errors on the media? The CDRs were all from the same bunch of 100. Happily I found some left over CDRs (same brand) from our last burning session and tried a few of them. Interestingly enough I was able to burn them without a hitch. Aftwerwards I gave another few from the fresh bunch a try, to no success. (exactly the same error, again) Any hints? Should I just "slap the just bought media into the distributor's face" ? ;) Thanks in advance, Andreas -- /// TSE TeleService GmbH | Gsf: Arne Reuter | /// Hovestrasse 14 | Andreas Braukmann | We do it with /// D-48351 Everswinkel | HRB: 1430, AG WAF | FreeBSD/SMP /// ------------------------------------------------------------------- /// PGP-Key: http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key /// Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Dec 30 07:33:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25168 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:33:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from reliam.teaser.fr (reliam.teaser.fr [194.51.80.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25161; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:33:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from son@teaser.fr) Received: from teaser.fr (ppp1087-ft.teaser.fr [194.206.156.40]) by reliam.teaser.fr (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA24347; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:32:52 +0100 (MET) Received: (from son@localhost) by teaser.fr (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA00796; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:25:34 GMT (envelope-from son) Message-ID: <19981230142534.16952@breizh.prism.uvsq.fr> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:25:34 +0000 From: Nicolas Souchu To: sthaug@nethelp.no Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Request fo help with Zip Drive on vpo0 in -current] References: <26784.914978880@verdi.nethelp.no> <27331.914982190@verdi.nethelp.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <27331.914982190@verdi.nethelp.no>; from sthaug@nethelp.no on Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 02:43:10AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD breizh 3.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 02:43:10AM +0100, sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > >> What finally made it work for me was: EPP mode in the BIOS, and >> >> controller ppc0 at isa? port ? tty irq 7 >> >> in the kernel config. Ie. no flags at all. With this setup, my Zip drive >> is detected as >> >> da1 at vpo0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 >> da1: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device >> da1: 196608 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 96C > >A followup: There is probably a timing-related issue here. If I remove >the various CAMDEBUG options, the Zip drive isn't detected. With the >CAMDEBUG options (and thus lots of extra printout), it is detected. >Verbose boot or not makes no difference. The problem is the 'CAMDEBUG' option itself. Without it, no I/O request is ever sent to the vpo driver. -- nsouch@teaser.fr / nsouch@freebsd.org FreeBSD - Turning PCs into workstations - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Dec 30 08:31:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA00645 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:31:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silver.gn.iaf.nl (silver.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00625 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:31:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by silver.gn.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA07447; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:31:00 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA20735 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:26:57 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id RAA01567; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:04:59 +0100 (CET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199812301604.RAA01567@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: FBSD 2.2.8: parts recommendation for fast 1 scsi channel sys In-Reply-To: <0006800007845734000002L042*@MHS> from "ANDREAS.KLEMM.AK@bayer-ag.de" at "Dec 30, 98 10:38:13 am" To: ANDREAS.KLEMM.AK@bayer-ag.de Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:04:59 +0100 (CET) Cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As ANDREAS.KLEMM.AK@bayer-ag.de wrote... > I need some recommendation for a fast FreeBSD 2.2.8 system, that is needed > as an archive for router and switch data. But it*%s a small case machine, that > will > be located in an office, so temperature shouldn*%t get too high. Keep in mind that the faster harddisks of today really appreciate cool air. So, with a small case to house the machine you better think of adding an extra fan. Obviously depends on your room temperature etc. > I need the following devices on 1 SCSI bus (preferred) > CD-ROM > TAPE (Sony DDS3 12/24 GB) > 1 Harddisk (9 or 18 GByte) > > Best would be wide scsi, then I could choose the Seagate ST118273W (Wide SCSI, > 18 GB, 7200 U/Min), > But I doubt that it*%s easy for me then, to get CD-Rom and DDS3 in wide scsi > and mixing narrow > and wide depends on Wide/narrow connectors, that might cause trouble, or ?! There exist 'translation' connectors that allow 86pin HD - 50 pin header connections for the narrow devices. I suggest running a 68pin HD cable thru the machine and put a 68pin HD terminator on the far end of the cable. The CD and tape can then be in the middle and use the 'translation' (there is probably a fance name for them) connectors. > So I thought about this: > 24/32 Speed CD-ROM, Narrow > Sony SDT-S9000 12/24 GB, Narrow > Barracuda ST118273N, Narrow > AHA2940U > > What do you think of this ? Other recommendations ?! > > BTW, is the AHA 2940U2 supported in FreeBSD 2.2.7 / 2.2.8 ? 2940U2 is -current only if I'm not mistaken. Why do you want U2 > Would it be possible, to mix an U2W harddisk with narrow scsi devices like > DDS3 tape and CD-ROM ??? Yes, but keep in mind that you have to adhere to Ultra2 cable rules which means something like 0.75 meters max. You can probably get away with 1m but that is about it. > Do you know DDS3 tapes 12/24 GB and 24 speed or higher CD-ROM*%s in wide SCSI > technology ? Plextor has wide CD drives IIRC. For DAT I don't know. I don't like DAT drives. Remember what the acronym DDS stands for: "Dat Drives S*ck" Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Dec 30 09:16:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06430 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:16:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06409 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:15:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsd@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost.StevesCafe.com [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02574; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:20:43 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812301720.KAA02574@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 From: Steve Passe To: Wilko Bulte cc: ANDREAS.KLEMM.AK@bayer-ag.de, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FBSD 2.2.8: parts recommendation for fast 1 scsi channel sys In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:04:59 +0100." <199812301604.RAA01567@yedi.iaf.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:20:42 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > > Would it be possible, to mix an U2W harddisk with narrow scsi devices like > > DDS3 tape and CD-ROM ??? > > Yes, but keep in mind that you have to adhere to Ultra2 cable rules which means something > like 0.75 meters max. You can probably get away with 1m but that is about it. This is incorrect if using u2 LVD devices, ASUS claims 15 devices on a 12m cable, 25m for 2 devices point-to-point. Go with the P2B-LS, put your LVD drives on the u2bus, wide drives on the wide bus, and narrow drives on the narrow bus. Keeps life simple... -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Dec 30 10:06:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13054 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:06:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from opus.cts.cwu.edu (opus.cts.cwu.edu [198.104.92.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13047 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:06:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu) Received: from localhost (skynyrd@localhost) by opus.cts.cwu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA16638; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:05:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:05:56 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Timmons To: Wilko Bulte cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: DDS alternative In-Reply-To: <199812301720.KAA02574@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What sort of FreeBSD compatible HW do you recommend in lieue of DDS tape? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Dec 30 10:32:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15683 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:32:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA15678 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:32:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zvPUH-0002pt-00; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:32:49 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:32:48 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Chris Timmons cc: Wilko Bulte , scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DDS alternative In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Chris Timmons wrote: > What sort of FreeBSD compatible HW do you recommend in lieue of DDS tape? I always like DLT drives. Long tape life, long drive life, and fairly quick. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Dec 30 11:22:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21038 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:22:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21028 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:22:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA00474; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:18:31 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:18:30 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Tom cc: Chris Timmons , Wilko Bulte , scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DDS alternative In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The only problems I've run into with DLT is the leader tape becoming unsprung (which can be fixed easily enough). On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Tom wrote: > > On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Chris Timmons wrote: > > > What sort of FreeBSD compatible HW do you recommend in lieue of DDS tape? > > I always like DLT drives. Long tape life, long drive life, and fairly > quick. > > Tom > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Dec 30 12:12:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26685 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:12:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26679 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:12:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA64280; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:10:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:10:55 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: ANDREAS.KLEMM.AK@bayer-ag.de cc: " - (052)scsi(a)FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Can FreeBSD boot from a 18 GB SCSI harddisk ? In-Reply-To: <0006800007847206000002L062*@MHS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 ANDREAS.KLEMM.AK@bayer-ag.de wrote: > > Hi ! > > If I*%d plan to get a PII 450 MHz system with > an ASUS P2B-S ( or LS) board which contains an > AIC 7890 chip on board, could I install FreeBSD on > it and would the system run without trouble (could I access > all 18 GB) ??? > > BTW, I just heard this board has 2 SCSI connectors (one 50 and one 68). > Does this system have one or two SCSI channels ? > Is it then possible, to install an Ultra 2 Wide SCSI Harddisk like the Seagate > Cheetah or Barracuda on the wide connector and normal Narrow SCSI > Devices like CD-Rom and Tape on the other connector ??? You might want to search old scsi or hardware lists here, Andreas. I remember somebody in the last 2 months having some bad comments about reliability of those 18 GB disks. Simultaneously, I saw a good number of those disks start to show up discounted. Take care. > > So to say, can I mix 20 MHZ with 80 MHz SCSI devices ??? > > Andreas /// > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Dec 30 14:30:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08709 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:30:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silver.gn.iaf.nl (silver.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08704 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:30:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by silver.gn.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA02440; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:30:19 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA03319 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:49:49 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id TAA02628; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:04:07 +0100 (CET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199812301804.TAA02628@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: FBSD 2.2.8: parts recommendation for fast 1 scsi channel sys In-Reply-To: <199812301720.KAA02574@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> from Steve Passe at "Dec 30, 98 10:20:42 am" To: smp@csn.net (Steve Passe) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:04:07 +0100 (CET) Cc: ANDREAS.KLEMM.AK@bayer-ag.de, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Steve Passe wrote... > Hi, > > > > Would it be possible, to mix an U2W harddisk with narrow scsi devices like > > > DDS3 tape and CD-ROM ??? > > > > Yes, but keep in mind that you have to adhere to Ultra2 cable rules which means something > > like 0.75 meters max. You can probably get away with 1m but that is about it. > > This is incorrect if using u2 LVD devices, ASUS claims 15 devices on a 12m > cable, 25m for 2 devices point-to-point. Go with the P2B-LS, put your > LVD drives on the u2bus, wide drives on the wide bus, and narrow > drives on the narrow bus. Keeps life simple... Sorry, I forgot to qualify the 0.75m as 'stock Ultra2'. LVD definitely makes a difference, you are right. I'm not familiar with the P2B-LS. Does it have 2 SCSI buses/interfaces? Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Dec 30 15:30:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14988 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:30:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silver.gn.iaf.nl (silver.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14979 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:30:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by silver.gn.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA12859; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:30:18 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA05530 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:36:15 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id WAA05452; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:55:33 +0100 (CET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199812302155.WAA05452@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: Can FreeBSD boot from a 18 GB SCSI harddisk ? In-Reply-To: from Chuck Robey at "Dec 30, 98 03:10:55 pm" To: chuckr@mat.net (Chuck Robey) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:55:32 +0100 (CET) Cc: ANDREAS.KLEMM.AK@bayer-ag.de, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Chuck Robey wrote... > On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 ANDREAS.KLEMM.AK@bayer-ag.de wrote: > > > > > Hi ! > > > > If I*%d plan to get a PII 450 MHz system with > > an ASUS P2B-S ( or LS) board which contains an > > AIC 7890 chip on board, could I install FreeBSD on > > it and would the system run without trouble (could I access > > all 18 GB) ??? > > > > BTW, I just heard this board has 2 SCSI connectors (one 50 and one 68). > > Does this system have one or two SCSI channels ? > > Is it then possible, to install an Ultra 2 Wide SCSI Harddisk like the Seagate > > Cheetah or Barracuda on the wide connector and normal Narrow SCSI > > Devices like CD-Rom and Tape on the other connector ??? > > You might want to search old scsi or hardware lists here, Andreas. I > remember somebody in the last 2 months having some bad comments about > reliability of those 18 GB disks. Simultaneously, I saw a good number > of those disks start to show up discounted. Take care. The Cheetah II (I think it is called) runs quite a bit cooler than the first Cheetahs. People seem to like the IBM 18Gbs. Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Dec 30 15:30:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15003 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:30:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silver.gn.iaf.nl (silver.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14981 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:30:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by silver.gn.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA12855; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:30:17 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA05548 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:36:18 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id XAA05517; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:00:08 +0100 (CET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199812302200.XAA05517@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: DDS alternative In-Reply-To: from Tom at "Dec 30, 98 09:32:48 am" To: tom@sdf.com (Tom) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:00:07 +0100 (CET) Cc: skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Tom wrote... > > On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Chris Timmons wrote: > > > What sort of FreeBSD compatible HW do you recommend in lieue of DDS tape? > > I always like DLT drives. Long tape life, long drive life, and fairly > quick. I second that. DLTs are really good stuff. Bit on the $$ side but OK. Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Dec 30 15:30:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15004 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:30:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silver.gn.iaf.nl (silver.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14983 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:30:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by silver.gn.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA12863; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:30:19 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA05518 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:36:13 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id WAA05476; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:58:18 +0100 (CET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199812302158.WAA05476@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: DDS alternative In-Reply-To: from Matthew Jacob at "Dec 30, 98 11:18:30 am" To: mjacob@feral.com Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:58:18 +0100 (CET) Cc: tom@sdf.com, skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Matthew Jacob wrote... > > The only problems I've run into with DLT is the leader tape becoming > unsprung (which can be fixed easily enough). This is the typical failure mode for DLTs yes. That is how I got my DLT4000 drive: "does nothing, blinks all leds. You can have it for US$ 25" Guess what I did ;-) But yes, DLTs are really OK. Just pricing is a bit on the steep side, also for the media. But the media lasts and lasts (just don't drop the cartridges, they really hate that). Wilko > On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Tom wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Chris Timmons wrote: > > > > > What sort of FreeBSD compatible HW do you recommend in lieue of DDS tape? > > > > I always like DLT drives. Long tape life, long drive life, and fairly > > quick. > > > > Tom Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Dec 30 16:28:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23383 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:28:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23358 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:27:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA28884; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:27:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Wilko Bulte cc: smp@csn.net (Steve Passe), ANDREAS.KLEMM.AK@bayer-ag.de, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: FBSD 2.2.8: parts recommendation for fast 1 scsi channel sys In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:04:07 +0100." <199812301804.TAA02628@yedi.iaf.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:27:26 -0500 Message-ID: <28881.915064046@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte wrote in message ID <199812301804.TAA02628@yedi.iaf.nl>: > I'm not familiar with the P2B-LS. Does it have 2 SCSI buses/interfaces? The Asus P2B series has a AIC7890 LVD SCSI controller onboard, and a AIC3860(?) chip which acts as a SCSI-SCSI bridge between LVD and ultra-wide. So in terms of SCSI ID's etc, its all one bus, but because its bridged you can have a long LVD chain and a shorter UW chain without problems. (In theory) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Dec 30 18:14:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04503 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:14:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04495 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:14:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from searle@longacre.demon.co.uk) Received: from [158.152.156.24] (helo=longacre.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zvXcV-0005QA-00; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 02:13:57 +0000 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:41:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Searle Subject: Re: Can FreeBSD boot from a 18 GB SCSI harddisk ? To: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Who, me? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed 30 Dec, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 ANDREAS.KLEMM.AK@bayer-ag.de wrote: > > > > > Hi ! > > > > If I*%d plan to get a PII 450 MHz system with > > an ASUS P2B-S ( or LS) board which contains an > > AIC 7890 chip on board, could I install FreeBSD on > > it and would the system run without trouble (could I access > > all 18 GB) ??? I don't know about using large drives, but I'm using an Asus P2B-S and it works fine (using CAM.) > > > > BTW, I just heard this board has 2 SCSI connectors (one 50 and one 68). > > Does this system have one or two SCSI channels ? > > Is it then possible, to install an Ultra 2 Wide SCSI Harddisk like the Seagate > > Cheetah or Barracuda on the wide connector and normal Narrow SCSI > > Devices like CD-Rom and Tape on the other connector ??? > > You might want to search old scsi or hardware lists here, Andreas. I > remember somebody in the last 2 months having some bad comments about > reliability of those 18 GB disks. Simultaneously, I saw a good number > of those disks start to show up discounted. Take care. > > > > > So to say, can I mix 20 MHZ with 80 MHz SCSI devices ??? > > > There is 1 U2W SCSI channel, with the narrow SCSI channel attached to the U2W channel via the 3860 controller rather than being used directly. Not quite 2 channels, but it does let you use slow devices that hog the SCSI bus without having much effect on the speed of fast devices. -- csubl@csv.warwick.ac.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Dec 31 07:31:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10866 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:31:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silver.gn.iaf.nl (silver.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA10861; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:30:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by silver.gn.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA08582; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:30:32 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA19628 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:27:28 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id MAA12422; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:35:27 +0100 (CET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199812311135.MAA12422@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: FBSD 2.2.8: parts recommendation for fast 1 scsi channel sys In-Reply-To: <28881.915064046@gjp.erols.com> from Gary Palmer at "Dec 30, 98 07:27:26 pm" To: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG (Gary Palmer) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:35:27 +0100 (CET) Cc: smp@csn.net, ANDREAS.KLEMM.AK@bayer-ag.de, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Gary Palmer wrote... > Wilko Bulte wrote in message ID > <199812301804.TAA02628@yedi.iaf.nl>: > > I'm not familiar with the P2B-LS. Does it have 2 SCSI buses/interfaces? > > The Asus P2B series has a AIC7890 LVD SCSI controller onboard, and a > AIC3860(?) chip which acts as a SCSI-SCSI bridge between LVD and ultra-wide. > So in terms of SCSI ID's etc, its all one bus, but because its bridged you can > have a long LVD chain and a shorter UW chain without problems. (In theory) Ah, I see. This indeed makes quite a difference. FWIW Symbios has a similar 'bridge' chip. That one was jointly developed by Digital & Symbios. It is in use all over the place in the Digital ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Compaq Storageworks Ultra SCSI equipment. Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Dec 31 09:50:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25296 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:50:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25289 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:50:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id SAA21559; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:50:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA06073; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:49:11 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from j) Message-ID: <19981231184909.20826@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:49:09 +0100 From: J Wunsch To: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Chris Timmons Subject: Re: DDS alternative Reply-To: Joerg Wunsch References: <199812301720.KAA02574@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: ; from Chris Timmons on Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 10:05:56AM -0800 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Chris Timmons wrote: > What sort of FreeBSD compatible HW do you recommend in lieue of DDS > tape? Many people have recommended DLT, which i can only support. For those with less Euros (:-) available, let me add that i'm fairly happy with my Tandberg drive. It's 2.5 GB (+ compression), and should be in the same price range as DDS. The current technology for them is 4 GB native. (There are larger MLT drives available as well, with a similar technology to DLT, but they're more pricey.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Dec 31 10:26:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00187 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:26:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00180 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:26:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA38381; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:25:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Message-Id: <199812311825.NAA38381@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Joerg Wunsch cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, Chris Timmons From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: DDS alternative References: <199812301720.KAA02574@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> <19981231184909.20826@uriah.heep.sax.de> In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:49:09 +0100." <19981231184909.20826@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:25:52 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > As Chris Timmons wrote: > > > What sort of FreeBSD compatible HW do you recommend in lieue of DDS > > tape? Just to chime in on the other side, I've been using DAT tapes for quite a few years, starting with an Archive Python DDS-1 drive and lately with a DDS-2 Archive/Seagate 4 slot changer. These drives have proven to be reliable for me in a fairly light duty cycle application. I also just picked up (at work) an HP DDS-3, 6 slot changer. This looks pretty sweet, with DDS-3 giving you 12GB (about 24GB compressed capacity) per tape. The media is pretty cost-effective, which you should be sure to take into account when comparing the alternatives. Compared to the 8mm Exabyte 8200 and 8500 drives I used to use at work that were nightmares, these things are a dream. louie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Dec 31 11:01:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04771 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:01:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA04744 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:01:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zvmQz-00043g-00; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:02:57 -0800 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:02:55 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: "Louis A. Mamakos" cc: Joerg Wunsch , scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, Chris Timmons Subject: Re: DDS alternative In-Reply-To: <199812311825.NAA38381@whizzo.transsys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 31 Dec 1998, Louis A. Mamakos wrote: > > As Chris Timmons wrote: > > > > > What sort of FreeBSD compatible HW do you recommend in lieue of DDS > > > tape? > > Just to chime in on the other side, I've been using DAT tapes for quite a > few years, starting with an Archive Python DDS-1 drive and lately with a > DDS-2 Archive/Seagate 4 slot changer. These drives have proven to be > reliable for me in a fairly light duty cycle application. I also just > picked up (at work) an HP DDS-3, 6 slot changer. This looks pretty > sweet, with DDS-3 giving you 12GB (about 24GB compressed capacity) per > tape. > > The media is pretty cost-effective, which you should be sure to take > into account when comparing the alternatives. You should also take into account the lifespan of the media. > Compared to the 8mm Exabyte 8200 and 8500 drives I used to use at work that > were nightmares, these things are a dream. > > louie > Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Dec 31 12:43:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16951 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:43:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silver.gn.iaf.nl (silver.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16939 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:43:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by silver.gn.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA24918; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:30:15 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA31134 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:57:59 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id UAA18718; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:24:11 +0100 (CET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199812311924.UAA18718@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: DDS alternative In-Reply-To: <199812311825.NAA38381@whizzo.transsys.com> from "Louis A. Mamakos" at "Dec 31, 98 01:25:52 pm" To: louie@TransSys.COM (Louis A. Mamakos) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:24:11 +0100 (CET) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Louis A. Mamakos wrote... > > As Chris Timmons wrote: > > > > > What sort of FreeBSD compatible HW do you recommend in lieue of DDS > > > tape? > > Just to chime in on the other side, I've been using DAT tapes for quite a > few years, starting with an Archive Python DDS-1 drive and lately with a > DDS-2 Archive/Seagate 4 slot changer. These drives have proven to be > reliable for me in a fairly light duty cycle application. I also just > picked up (at work) an HP DDS-3, 6 slot changer. This looks pretty > sweet, with DDS-3 giving you 12GB (about 24GB compressed capacity) per > tape. > > The media is pretty cost-effective, which you should be sure to take > into account when comparing the alternatives. Ever tried to read a tape written a year ago? I've heared to much horror stories about unreadable DAT tapes to trust them... Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Dec 31 12:43:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16952 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:43:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silver.gn.iaf.nl (silver.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16940 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:43:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by silver.gn.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA24914; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:30:14 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA31128 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:57:58 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id UAA18674; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:18:50 +0100 (CET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199812311918.UAA18674@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: DDS alternative In-Reply-To: <19981231184909.20826@uriah.heep.sax.de> from J Wunsch at "Dec 31, 98 06:49:09 pm" To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:18:50 +0100 (CET) Cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As J Wunsch wrote... > As Chris Timmons wrote: > > > What sort of FreeBSD compatible HW do you recommend in lieue of DDS > > tape? > > Many people have recommended DLT, which i can only support. > > For those with less Euros (:-) available, let me add that i'm fairly > happy with my Tandberg drive. It's 2.5 GB (+ compression), and should > be in the same price range as DDS. The current technology for them is > 4 GB native. (There are larger MLT drives available as well, with a > similar technology to DLT, but they're more pricey.) Agreed. Tandbergs are good stuff. I've been using Tandberg 525Mb and now a 2.5Gb for years. Very reliable. Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Dec 31 13:05:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19630 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:05:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19625 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:05:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id WAA23788 for scsi@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:05:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA06632; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:02:30 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from j) Message-ID: <19981231220228.29744@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:02:28 +0100 From: J Wunsch To: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0R && AHA1540A == no go Reply-To: Joerg Wunsch References: <19981222173104.28962@uriah.heep.sax.de> <199812222134.OAA14499@narnia.plutotech.com> <19981223000050.28179@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <19981223000050.28179@uriah.heep.sax.de>; from J Wunsch on Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 12:00:51AM +0100 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I wrote: > As Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > > > I believe that the 1540A does not support residual calculating > > CCB opcodes. > > I'm almost sure it doesn't. ``Oh, btw.'' :) aha0: Rev 41 (AHA-154x[AB]) V0.6, enabling residuals, target ops ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ aha0: reading board settings, dma=5 int=11 id=7 (bus speed defaulted) aha0 at 0x330-0x333 irq 11 drq 5 on isa (aha0:0:0): "QUANTUM FIREBALL_TM3200S 300N" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(aha0:0:0): Direct-Access 3067MB (6281856 512 byte sectors) sd0(aha0:0:0): with 6810 cyls, 5 heads, and an average 184 sectors/track Now i'm no longer so sure it doesn't support residuals? Might the problem with the CAM opcodes also be something else, or is it absolutely sure it's not supporting residuals? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Dec 31 14:03:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24871 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:03:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.elpost.com ([193.15.1.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24864 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:03:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from johan@granlund.nu) Received: from phoenix.granlund.nu (t3o29p36.telia.com [194.236.215.36]) by mail.elpost.com (2.5 Build 2626 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA00691; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 23:02:16 +0100 Received: from localhost (johan@localhost) by phoenix.granlund.nu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA02376; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 23:00:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from johan@granlund.nu) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 23:00:29 +0100 (CET) From: Johan Granlund To: Wilko Bulte cc: "Louis A. Mamakos" , joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu Subject: Re: DDS alternative In-Reply-To: <199812311924.UAA18718@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 31 Dec 1998, Wilko Bulte wrote: > As Louis A. Mamakos wrote... > > > As Chris Timmons wrote: > > > > > > > What sort of FreeBSD compatible HW do you recommend in lieue of DDS > > > > tape? > > > > Just to chime in on the other side, I've been using DAT tapes for quite a > > few years, starting with an Archive Python DDS-1 drive and lately with a > > DDS-2 Archive/Seagate 4 slot changer. These drives have proven to be > > reliable for me in a fairly light duty cycle application. I also just > > picked up (at work) an HP DDS-3, 6 slot changer. This looks pretty > > sweet, with DDS-3 giving you 12GB (about 24GB compressed capacity) per > > tape. > > > > The media is pretty cost-effective, which you should be sure to take > > into account when comparing the alternatives. > > Ever tried to read a tape written a year ago? I've heared to much horror > stories about unreadable DAT tapes to trust them... After getting four drives failing for me in the same month i am somewhat sceptical of them. It was 2 DDS-3 and one DDS drive at work, and my private DDS-2 drive. All four was wangdat drives. The 2 DDS-3 drives was run every night, but got read errors when i verified the backup. The drives was less than 1 year old when we returned them for a DLT drive. The DDS-[1-2] drives was a couple years old but not used much. And Yes i was using a cleaning tape regulary :-) /Johan > > Wilko > _ ______________________________________________________________________ > | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl > |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl > ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Dec 31 17:04:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11528 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:04:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11515 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:04:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA15451; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:33:21 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id LAA41776; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:33:25 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19990101113324.Z39598@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:33:24 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Wilko Bulte , "Louis A. Mamakos" Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu Subject: Re: DDS alternative References: <199812311825.NAA38381@whizzo.transsys.com> <199812311924.UAA18718@yedi.iaf.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199812311924.UAA18718@yedi.iaf.nl>; from Wilko Bulte on Thu, Dec 31, 1998 at 08:24:11PM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 31 December 1998 at 20:24:11 +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > As Louis A. Mamakos wrote... >>> As Chris Timmons wrote: >>> >>>> What sort of FreeBSD compatible HW do you recommend in lieue of DDS >>>> tape? >> >> Just to chime in on the other side, I've been using DAT tapes for quite a >> few years, starting with an Archive Python DDS-1 drive and lately with a >> DDS-2 Archive/Seagate 4 slot changer. These drives have proven to be >> reliable for me in a fairly light duty cycle application. I also just >> picked up (at work) an HP DDS-3, 6 slot changer. This looks pretty >> sweet, with DDS-3 giving you 12GB (about 24GB compressed capacity) per >> tape. >> >> The media is pretty cost-effective, which you should be sure to take >> into account when comparing the alternatives. > > Ever tried to read a tape written a year ago? Frequently. I read tapes written 5 years ago. That's the part that works :-) > I've heared to much horror stories about unreadable DAT tapes to > trust them... The trouble I have (and continue to have) is that the things have such a short life. I used to do a complete backup (4 hours tape motion) every night. Under those circumstances, the old DDS-1 drives lasted about 6 months, and the DDS-2 last about 18 months. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message