From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 12 00:48:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA20377 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 00:48:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from public.bta.net.cn (public.bta.net.cn [202.96.0.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA20358 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 00:48:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robinson@public.bta.net.cn) Received: (from robinson@localhost) by public.bta.net.cn (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA24735 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:47:47 +0800 (GMT) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:47:47 +0800 (GMT) From: Michael Robinson Message-Id: <199807120747.PAA24735@public.bta.net.cn> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ppbus drivers failing to probe vpo: problem solved (sort of) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The vpo (ZIP drive) probe failure I reported earlier turns out to be some sort of Heisenbug. When I add debugging code to the vpo_detect() function in /sys/dev/ppbus/vpo.c (as shown below), my ZIP drive magically starts working. Comments? Suggestions? -Michael Robinson -----from /sys/dev/ppbus/vpo.c----- /* * vpo_detect() * * Detect and initialise the VP0 adapter. */ static int vpo_detect(struct vpo_data *vpo) { int error; error = vpoio_disconnect(vpo); printf("vpoio_disconnect(vpo): %x\n", error); error = vpoio_connect(vpo, PPB_DONTWAIT); printf("vpoio_connect(vpo, PPB_DONTWAIT): %x\n", error); if ((error = vpoio_in_disk_mode(vpo)) != 0) { printf("vpoio_in_disk_mode(vpo): %x\n", error); vpoio_disconnect(vpo); return (VP0_EINITFAILED); } /* send SCSI reset signal */ printf("vpoio_reset(vpo)\n"); vpoio_reset (vpo); printf("vpoio_disconnect(vpo)\n"); vpoio_disconnect(vpo); if (vpoio_in_disk_mode(vpo)) { printf("error: vpoio_in_disk_mode(vpo)\n"); return (VP0_EINITFAILED); } printf("return(0)\n"); return (0); } To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 12 01:59:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA27491 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:59:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA27471; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:59:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from se@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de) Received: from dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.219.124]) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12872; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:59:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from se@localhost) by dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.6.9) id KAA00434; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:33:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:33:16 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Leo Papandreou , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Stefan Esser Subject: Re: NCR 875 and tagged queing. Broken? References: <19980627214312.58671@supersex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <19980627214312.58671@supersex.com>; from Leo Papandreou on Sat, Jun 27, 1998 at 09:43:12PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1998-06-27 21:43 -0400, Leo Papandreou wrote: > > 2.2-STABLE (cvsupped and built June 26) > > Twin channel NCR 875 adapter, Quantum Atlas III, FAILSAFE commented > out in kernerl's configuration file. > > cp -RP dir1 dir2 (dir1 and dir2 on different partitions, same drive.) > produces lots of these messages: > > Jun 26 17:42:47 abou /kernel: assertion "cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 6191 > Jun 26 17:42:48 abou /kernel: sd0(ncr0:6:0): COMMAND FAILED (4 28) @f14a1800. This is a result of too many simultanous outstanding commands. The drive returns QUEUE_FULL status if it is asked to accept another (tagged) command, and the upper layer SCSI Code will initiate several retries of that command. > I've seen recent reports of an identical problem. I'm not sure if its > the hardware; the fact that these other reports are very recent makes > me suspect the hard drive is not at fault. I wish I had a spare AHA > around to test this suspicion but I do not. Also, although I realize > older quantums cannot reliably do tagged queing, this is an 18.2 Gig > Atlas III bought not 2 days ago. (Please let it not be the hardware.) It might be the firmware. Atlas drives have been known to show that effect for quite some time: They accept a huge number of tagged commands during normal operation, but suddenly decide to support only a few (during short intervals of resource exhaustion ?) The generic SCSI code in FreeBSD 2.2.x and -current pre-dates use of tags in drivers, and can't really deal with QUEUE_FULL. The new CAM code (a new snapshot has been announced by Justin Gibbs recently) will understand QUEUE_FULL status to mean "throttle down". It will reduce the number of simultanous commands sent to a drive, and will try to slowly raise that value again after things seem normal again. > This does not happen if the directories involved are small. This does > not happen when FAILSAFE is present. The problem certainly has something > to do with tagged queing as has already been pointed out in a previous > msg. Without FAILSAFE, SCSI_NCR_DFLT_TAGS defaults to 4 but I've seen > at least 1 msg on this list where someone had set SCSI_NCR_DFLT_TAGS=8. You can use any number of tags between 0 and 16, but in my tests with several drives I found 8 tags to give best performance and 4 tags to give nearly identical performance woth less system load. Justin Gibbs reported throughput improvements with much higher numbers of tags, but I could not reproduce them, either because I could not produce the same kind of load, or because the NCR driver uses linear lists in a few cases, which does not matter if there are a few entries in the list, but may do, if the list grows to tens or hundreds of entries. > Can anyone confirm or deny that the problem is related to recent (Jun 2?) > changes in the kernel? No, there have been none in that area, sorry. > Jun 26 18:01:15 abou /kernel: (ncr0:6:0): "QUANTUM QM318000TD-SW N1B0" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 I do not know, whether there is a problem with tags in that firmware release (N1B0). The problem existed in both the Atlas and Atlas II, but I do not know much about the Atlas III ... There should not be any data loss because of that situation. You may want to test the next snapshot release of Justin Gibbs CAM code. It is much better tested with Adaptec cards, but I've been using a CAM system for several months with my NCR card and an old Quantum Atlas with no problems. (But the highest load is an occasional "make world" every one or two weeks :) Regards, STefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 12 07:04:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA27608 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 07:04:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com (siteadm@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA27603 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 07:04:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from damascus@eden.rutgers.edu) Message-Id: <199807121404.HAA27603@hub.freebsd.org> Received: from athena ([24.3.219.36]) by ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA7025 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 07:04:36 -0700 X-Sender: damascus@eden-backend.rutgers.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:07:20 -0500 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Carroll Kong Subject: Backing up a FreeBSD Box... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi guys. I am running FreeBSD on a Pentium 90, 430 FX, 32 megs of ram, scsi system. Now... the only thing I like about that system is the scsi-system. I personally run a K6-225, 64 megs of ram... mixed ide / scsi. Now.... if I ever upgrade, I am thinking, maybe I should move my FreeBSD to the K6, which performs much better. But... now I am stuck on a little bit of a dillema. I want to backup that box somehow (I had to do a really odd setup with that system due to the 430 fx chipset, but dont worry about that). I have the resources to do a super tar ball then ftp or put it on a FAT16 partition either on another comp on the lan. So this is my plan, please advise or suggest. ls -loR / | grep schg > schfiles touch /super.tar.gz find / -not -path '/proc/*' -cmin -1000 >filelist.txt(is there a way i can add the super.tar.gz in this? this way i DON'T retar the super.tar.gz itself... that is why i touched it) tar -czvf /super.tar.gz -T filelist.txt INSTALL SYSTEM chflags -R schg / tar -xzvf /super.tar.gz I kind of guessed at it... I basically am going to use this to backup the system. THEN... I reinstall the system as fresh.. (my system is 2.2.6-stable but i have the 2.2.5 cd). Then... I go in and untar the super.tar.gz. Will this work? -Carroll Kong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 12 07:31:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29567 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 07:31:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nak.myhouse.com (nak.myhouse.com [209.70.45.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA29562 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 07:30:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zoonie@myhouse.com) Received: from localhost (zoonie@localhost) by nak.myhouse.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA24697; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:29:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from zoonie@myhouse.com) X-Authentication-Warning: nak.myhouse.com: zoonie owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:29:55 -0400 (EDT) From: zoonie To: Carroll Kong cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Backing up a FreeBSD Box... In-Reply-To: <199807121404.HAA27603@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG why don't you backup your data and config files, make a list of the packages you've installed and then install on the new machine from the 2.2.5 CD. after installing 2.2.5 you should be able to use cvsup to upgrade to 2.2.6-stable and then reinstall the packages and restore your data.... On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, Carroll Kong wrote: > Hi guys. I am running FreeBSD on a Pentium 90, 430 FX, 32 megs of ram, > scsi system. Now... the only thing I like about that system is the > scsi-system. I personally run a K6-225, 64 megs of ram... mixed ide / scsi. > Now.... if I ever upgrade, I am thinking, maybe I should move my FreeBSD > to the K6, which performs much better. But... now I am stuck on a little > bit of a dillema. I want to backup that box somehow (I had to do a really > odd setup with that system due to the 430 fx chipset, but dont worry about > that). I have the resources to do a super tar ball then ftp or put it on a > FAT16 partition either on another comp on the lan. So this is my plan, > please advise or suggest. > > ls -loR / | grep schg > schfiles > touch /super.tar.gz > find / -not -path '/proc/*' -cmin -1000 >filelist.txt(is there a way i can > add the super.tar.gz in this? this way i DON'T retar the super.tar.gz > itself... that is why i touched it) > tar -czvf /super.tar.gz -T filelist.txt > INSTALL SYSTEM > chflags -R schg / > tar -xzvf /super.tar.gz > > I kind of guessed at it... I basically am going to use this to backup the > system. THEN... I reinstall the system as fresh.. (my system is > 2.2.6-stable but i have the 2.2.5 cd). Then... I go in and untar the > super.tar.gz. Will this work? > > -Carroll Kong > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 12 07:55:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01570 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 07:55:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com (siteadm@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01565 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 07:55:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from damascus@eden.rutgers.edu) Message-Id: <199807121455.HAA01565@hub.freebsd.org> Received: from athena ([24.3.219.36]) by ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA24957 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 07:55:21 -0700 X-Sender: damascus@eden-backend.rutgers.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:58:05 -0500 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Carroll Kong Subject: Problems with Identd Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi guys... I am trying to run identd with 2.2.6-stable. I cvsuped the ports, recompiled about 3 to 4 times. Added this line to inetd.conf. I tried both of them... one at a time of course... and ran killall -HUP inetd and ran "BitchX", an irc client, and all the irc servers say there is NO identd response. Am I missing something obvious here? I thought it should work very easily out of the ports. ident stream tcp nowait root /usr/local/libexec/tcpd /usr/local/sbin/identd -i ident stream tcp wait root /usr/local/libexec/tcpd /usr/local/sbin/identd -w -t120 -Carroll Kong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 12 08:14:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03184 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:14:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com (siteadm@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03178 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:14:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from damascus@eden.rutgers.edu) Message-Id: <199807121514.IAA03178@hub.freebsd.org> Received: from athena ([24.3.219.36]) by ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAB1771 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:13:59 -0700 X-Sender: damascus@eden-backend.rutgers.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:16:42 -0500 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Carroll Kong Subject: Dump / Restore - Good backup method? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Why dont you use dump to perform the backups? It is much more easy and safe to restore all files or individual files. Cheers Jorge University of Coimbra, Portugal Wow... someone mentioned this on irc... although not #freebsd because they happened to ban my entire domain... for no apparent reason. Anyways, I digress. I am learning quickly the true powers of Unices.... dump and restore seem like the perfect guys to do this. But... I noticed, that Unix-like oses and Microsoft DO NOT corralate perfectly so ... I am a bit confused and want to make 100% sure about dump / restore. Dump can make a super "dumpfile", the level 0 argument per se. But.. if it does a full backup.. and I plan on making a .tar file on the file systems somewhere... how is that going to work? (I don't really have a tape drive). Now... If I move the system apart... I want to be able to restore into the system easily... seems like I would have to put a brand new drive into the current system I wanted to "transport" and use restore to dump into that new harddrive? -r Restore (rebuild a file system). The target file system should be made pristine with newfs(8), mounted and the user cd'd into newfs /dev/rrp0g eagle mount /dev/rp0g /mnt cd /mnt restore rf /dev/rst8 Ok... newfs /dev/rrp0g.. not sure what that means. I am more used to sd0s and wd0s.... or that new argument "eagle". Not sure.. i always thought newfs was something like newfs -b 8192 /dev/sd0s3. Ok... now mounting.. no problem. And restoring... hm... restore rf (in this man page example, that's a tape drive, right? For my case, I would be outputting and restoring from a solid file. Not that there is a real difference between a file and a device since they are technically the same. :) ) But basically, this is the best method, eh? Sure seems safer than my method and I think restore can do over the network restoration. I guess I could work something out there. Sorry for being very ... "lame" in asking such questions... just that ever since I have been banned from #Freebsd and the webpage, although pretty good for the beginning, loses it's affect, I have no where else to go. :) Thanks for your patience guys. -Carroll Kong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 12 08:38:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06092 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:38:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bart.zip.com.au (bart.zip.com.au [203.62.151.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06087 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:38:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bart@bart.zip.com.au) Received: (from bart@localhost) by bart.zip.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA07660; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:44:32 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from bart) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:44:32 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199807121544.BAA07660@bart.zip.com.au> From: Bart Lindsey To: damascus@eden.rutgers.edu CC: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199807121404.HAA27603@hub.freebsd.org> (message from Carroll Kong on Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:07:20 -0500) Subject: Re: Backing up a FreeBSD Box... References: <199807121404.HAA27603@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Carroll, I will be facing a similar situation soon too. You don't want to back up the bulk of the root partition. Quite likely, you may only want to keep /etc (you've probably spent _many_ hours configuring this!) and /var if you want to keep email, printer directories, etc intact. When you reinstall the system, the root partition will be put in place by the installation process. You can then add your backed up /usr, /usr/home, ... partitions, and merge in your /etc and /var and so forth. If you have recompiled the kernel on the old system, note that most likely you will have to replace some information pertinant to the new system in your kernel config files under /usr/src/ such as irqs, network drivers, disk drivers, etc. You should be looking at compiling a new kernel for your new system anyway because the generic kernel will probe for a lot of hardware you don't have and will take up more memory than necessary. For your K6, ensure you specify NO_FOOF_HACK (see /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT) in your configuration file since the K6 doesn't accurately implement the Pentium's design [flaws :-)]. Also check out /etc/rc.conf, rc.local, and so on for any machine specific stuff and xf86config for the new display adaptor and monitor. Have fun! Cheers, Bart. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 12 08:57:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08174 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:57:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alecto.physics.uiuc.edu (alecto.physics.uiuc.edu [130.126.8.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08169 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:57:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from igor@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu) Received: (from igor@localhost) by alecto.physics.uiuc.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) id KAA22336; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:57:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Igor Roshchin Message-Id: <199807121557.KAA22336@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Problems with Identd In-Reply-To: <199807121455.HAA01565@hub.freebsd.org> from "Carroll Kong" at "Jul 12, 1998 10:58: 5 am" To: damascus@eden.rutgers.edu (Carroll Kong) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:57:11 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi guys... I am trying to run identd with 2.2.6-stable. I cvsuped the > ports, recompiled about 3 to 4 times. Added this line to inetd.conf. I > tried both of them... one at a time of course... and ran killall -HUP inetd > and ran "BitchX", an irc client, and all the irc servers say there is NO > identd response. Am I missing something obvious here? I thought it should > work very easily out of the ports. > > > ident stream tcp nowait root /usr/local/libexec/tcpd > /usr/local/sbin/identd -i > ident stream tcp wait root /usr/local/libexec/tcpd > /usr/local/sbin/identd -w -t120 > > -Carroll Kong > Hi, I found a while ago (yet on 2.1-stable and 2.2.5 boxes) that identd does not seem to work properly under tcpd. Although, I didn't check if identd should've been recompiled with some special option to work properly with tcpd (like sshd should be). Look in your /var/log/messages file, and you'd probably see complaing by identd that it has problems (I forgot the exact message it produces being wrapped with tcpd). IgoR To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 12 09:52:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA16634 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 09:52:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16622 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 09:52:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from salomon.siemens.de (salomon.siemens.de [139.23.33.13]) by david.siemens.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA09240 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:51:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (daemon@curry.mchp.siemens.de [146.180.31.23]) by salomon.siemens.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA12686 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:51:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08636 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:52:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Andre Albsmeier Message-Id: <199807121652.SAA08647@internal> Subject: Re: substantial performance drop with rc5des In-Reply-To: <199807102355.TAA21782@xxx.video-collage.com> from Mikhail Teterin at "Jul 10, 98 07:55:13 pm" To: mi@video-collage.com (Mikhail Teterin) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:52:22 +0200 (CEST) Cc: fullermd@futuresouth.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Matthew D. Fuller once stated: > > => PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND > => 24850 mi 105 33 596K 240K RUN 178:08 94.99% 94.99% rc5des > => 3578 mi 2 0 23804K 11936K select 177:32 0.15% 0.15% Xaccel > => [......] > > =idprio 31 -24850 > = > =You don't have it idprio'd all the way down. When you do, it will show > =as niceness 52. > > No other process is idprio-ed at all, so it should not even matter > which idle level is selected, right? I also run it with idprio 5 and no other processes are idprio-ed (what a word). The main performance impact can be seen here when the machine is a nfs server. When copying the same stuff (360 files, 7MB) from this nfs server via nfs, it takes 39 seconds when rc5des is running and only 7 seconds if not. -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 12 09:56:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17347 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 09:56:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from destiny.erols.com (root@destiny.erols.com [207.96.73.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17333 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 09:56:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdowdal@destiny.erols.com) Received: from destiny.erols.com (someone@destiny.erols.com [207.96.73.65]) by destiny.erols.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA14315; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:56:31 -0400 (EDT) From: John Dowdal To: Carroll Kong cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dump / Restore - Good backup method? In-Reply-To: <199807121514.IAA03178@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, Carroll Kong wrote: > Ok... now mounting.. no problem. And restoring... hm... restore rf > (in this man page example, that's a tape drive, right? For my > case, I would be outputting and restoring from a solid file. Not that > there is a real difference between a file and a device since they are > technically the same. :) ) You could replace all instances of the tape drive with a file, OR you could also specify the file/device as "host:file" and it will go fetch the file over the network. This is extremely useful if you have other unix machines on the network. Examples: [r]dump 0sf 200000 storm:/dev/nrst0 [r]restore if storm:/dev/nrst0 [interactive (partial) restore] [r]restore rf storm:/dev/nrst0 [full restore] Under most modern unixes, you may omit the leading 'r' (for remote) when using dump restore. Known exception: DEC Ultrix. You may also use dump/restore on solaris machines. They just renamed the commands to 'ufsdump' and 'ufsrestore' John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 12 09:58:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17565 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 09:58:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from destiny.erols.com (root@destiny.erols.com [207.96.73.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17560 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 09:58:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdowdal@destiny.erols.com) Received: from destiny.erols.com (someone@destiny.erols.com [207.96.73.65]) by destiny.erols.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA14331; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:58:15 -0400 (EDT) From: John Dowdal To: Carroll Kong cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dump / Restore - Good backup method? In-Reply-To: <199807121514.IAA03178@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG One thing i forgot: if you wish to use a file with remote dump, you need to use 'touch' to create a zero byte file on the remote host for many unixes. You could [r]dump to a solaris machine or whatever if you wish to do so. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 12 11:51:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01204 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:51:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01199 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:51:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id UAA27398; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:45:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA12937; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:26:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980712202605.A12922@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:26:05 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: Carroll Kong , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dump / Restore - Good backup method? References: <199807121514.IAA03178@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199807121514.IAA03178@hub.freebsd.org>; from Carroll Kong on Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 11:16:42AM -0500 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 11:16:42AM -0500, Carroll Kong wrote: > Why dont you use dump to perform the backups? It is much more easy and > safe to restore all files or individual files. More on this ... http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ Why dump is best: http://reality.sgi.com/zwicky_neu/testdump.doc.html -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 12 11:51:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01224 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:51:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01219 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:51:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id UAA27405; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:45:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13375; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:30:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980712203030.B12922@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:30:30 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: Carroll Kong , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Backing up a FreeBSD Box... References: <199807121404.HAA27603@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199807121404.HAA27603@hub.freebsd.org>; from Carroll Kong on Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 10:07:20AM -0500 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'd dump all interesting filesystems, for example: / /var /usr /home In case of trouble you only need to boot the cdrom, create FreeBSD partition on a new harddrive (W)rite the partition table, then create filesystems and (W)rite this as well, so new filesystems are created. After that restore the backup'ed data onto each filesystem with restore -rf /dev/nrst0 It's one of the fastest methods for recovery .. More about backup... http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ Why dump is better than xyz: http://reality.sgi.com/zwicky_neu/testdump.doc.html -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 12 17:54:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14612 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:54:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaylord.async.vt.edu (gaylord.async.vt.edu [128.173.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA14607 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:54:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gaylord@gaylord.async.vt.edu) Received: (from gaylord@localhost) by gaylord.async.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id UAA11288 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:54:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Clark Gaylord Message-Id: <199807130054.UAA11288@gaylord.async.vt.edu> Subject: modula-3-lib-3.6 not building (hence no CVSUP :-( To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:54:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am trying to build CVSUP new version (after removing former "please don't use these old versions" version :-( ) and the requisite file, modula-3-lib will not build. I get: (gaylord)/usr/ports/lang/modula-3-lib # make >> Checksum OK for m3-fbsd-src-3.6.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for m3-fbsd-m3cc-3.6.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for m3-fbsd-boot-3.6.tar.gz. ===> Patching for modula-3-lib-3.6 ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for modula-3-lib-3.6 Ignoring previously applied (or reversed) patch. 1 out of 1 hunks ignored--saving rejects to m3/quake/src/utils.c.rej *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. This looks non-fatal, but I do not know how to force make to continue, if indeed it should. I have just dl'ed the newest modula-3-lib port info. Thank you. -- Clark K. Gaylord Blacksburg, Virginia USA cgaylord@vt.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 12 19:25:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA22785 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:25:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.scitec.com.au (firewall-user@fgate.scitec.com.au [203.17.180.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA22734 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:25:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john.saunders@scitec.com.au) Received: by firewall.scitec.com.au; id MAA16165; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:24:59 +1000 (EST) Received: from mailhub.scitec.com.au(203.17.180.131) by fgate.scitec.com.au via smap (3.2) id xma016158; Mon, 13 Jul 98 12:24:58 +1000 Received: from saruman (saruman.scitec.com.au [203.17.182.108]) by mailhub.scitec.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA14203; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:24:40 +1000 Message-ID: <00c401bdae05$68e9bc60$6cb611cb@saruman.scitec.com.au> From: "John Saunders" To: "Carroll Kong" Cc: Subject: Re: Problems with Identd Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:24:40 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yep, lose the tcpd wrapper for identd. It's also possible to get tcpd into a recusive loop when used with identd (because tcpd does an identd lookup itself on connection) and that isn't a good thing. Use the -w and -t120 options as well, they seem to work and can save load when a lot of ident requests come in. Cheers. >> ident stream tcp wait root /usr/local/libexec/tcpd >> /usr/local/sbin/identd -w -t120 > >I found a while ago (yet on 2.1-stable and 2.2.5 boxes) >that identd does not seem to work properly under tcpd. >Although, I didn't check if identd should've been recompiled with some special >option to work properly with tcpd (like sshd should be). -- . +-------------------------------------------------------+ ,--_|\ | John Saunders mailto:John.Saunders@scitec.com.au | / Oz \ | SCITEC LIMITED Phone +61294289563 Fax +61294289933 | \_,--\_/ | "By the time you make ends meet, they move the ends." | v +-------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 12 22:50:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14821 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from buffy.tpgi.com.au (buffy.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA14784 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:49:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eirvine@tpgi.com.au) Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by buffy.tpgi.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA26844; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:51:04 +1000 Received: from tar-ppp-179.tpgi.com.au(203.26.26.179), claiming to be "gretchen" via SMTP by buffy.tpgi.com.au, id smtpda26805; Mon Jul 13 15:50:59 1998 From: "Eddie Irvine" To: "Clark Gaylord" , Subject: Re: modula-3-lib-3.6 not building (hence no CVSUP :-( Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:50:04 +1000 Message-ID: <01bdae22$1524db60$b31a1acb@gretchen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: Clark Gaylord >I am trying to build CVSUP new version (after removing former "please >don't use these old versions" version :-( ) and the requisite file, >modula-3-lib will not build. I get: > Try zapping the modula-3 port, cvsup the ports tree, to reinstate it, and try again. Eddie. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 12 23:38:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19014 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:38:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA19001 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:38:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yvcFh-00029A-00; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:38:21 -0700 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:38:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Clark Gaylord cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: modula-3-lib-3.6 not building (hence no CVSUP :-( In-Reply-To: <199807130054.UAA11288@gaylord.async.vt.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, Clark Gaylord wrote: > I am trying to build CVSUP new version (after removing former "please > don't use these old versions" version :-( ) and the requisite file, I don't know why people punish themselves compiling CVSUP, when a perfectly good binary is available. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 13 00:34:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA24627 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:34:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hoflink.com (root@hoflink.com [199.173.65.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA24621 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:34:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikeg@hoflink.com) Received: from hoflink.com (ppp3.hoflink.com [199.173.65.103]) by hoflink.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA03986 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A9B88E.4A36A752@hoflink.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:34:38 -0400 From: Michael Graziano X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: modula-3-lib-3.6 not building (hence no CVSUP :-( References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tom wrote: > I don't know why people punish themselves compiling CVSUP, when a > perfectly good binary is available. > > Tom Because it's fun :) I personally use the binary, I find it easier to deal with than all of those libraries! It is available at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CVSup/cvsup-bin-15.4.2.tar.gz for those of us who are too lazy to browse the ports tree :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 13 01:45:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00690 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:45:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from isb.ncr.com.pk (waraich@isb.ncr.com.pk [194.133.48.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA00680; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:44:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from waraich@Pakistan.NCR.COM) Received: (from waraich@localhost) by isb.ncr.com.pk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11954; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:44:55 +0500 (PKT) (envelope-from Saad.Waraich) From: "Saad M. Waraich" Message-Id: <199807130844.NAA11954@isb.ncr.com.pk> Subject: Re: NCR 875 and tagged queing. Broken? In-Reply-To: <19980712103316.07090@mi.uni-koeln.de> from Stefan Esser at "Jul 12, 98 10:33:16 am" To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:44:54 +0500 (PKT) Cc: leo@talcom.net, se@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The problem is a combination of the NCR driver and the Atlas III drive. I have an 875 based card (Tekram 390F) and a 2 gig. Atlas III drive and I've seen this problem a lot. Upgrading the drive's firmware didn't help either. Is it worth it to talk to Quantum about this problem ? They could easily shrug it off saying that it is a problem in the driver. -- Saad Stefan Esser wrote: > On 1998-06-27 21:43 -0400, Leo Papandreou wrote: > > > > 2.2-STABLE (cvsupped and built June 26) > > > > Twin channel NCR 875 adapter, Quantum Atlas III, FAILSAFE commented > > out in kernerl's configuration file. > > > > cp -RP dir1 dir2 (dir1 and dir2 on different partitions, same drive.) > > produces lots of these messages: > > > > Jun 26 17:42:47 abou /kernel: assertion "cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 6191 > > Jun 26 17:42:48 abou /kernel: sd0(ncr0:6:0): COMMAND FAILED (4 28) @f14a1800. > > This is a result of too many simultanous outstanding commands. > > The drive returns QUEUE_FULL status if it is asked to accept > another (tagged) command, and the upper layer SCSI Code will > initiate several retries of that command. > > > I've seen recent reports of an identical problem. I'm not sure if its > > the hardware; the fact that these other reports are very recent makes > > me suspect the hard drive is not at fault. I wish I had a spare AHA > > around to test this suspicion but I do not. Also, although I realize > > older quantums cannot reliably do tagged queing, this is an 18.2 Gig > > Atlas III bought not 2 days ago. (Please let it not be the hardware.) > > It might be the firmware. Atlas drives have been known to show > that effect for quite some time: They accept a huge number of > tagged commands during normal operation, but suddenly decide to > support only a few (during short intervals of resource exhaustion ?) > > The generic SCSI code in FreeBSD 2.2.x and -current pre-dates use > of tags in drivers, and can't really deal with QUEUE_FULL. > The new CAM code (a new snapshot has been announced by Justin Gibbs > recently) will understand QUEUE_FULL status to mean "throttle down". > It will reduce the number of simultanous commands sent to a drive, > and will try to slowly raise that value again after things seem > normal again. > > > This does not happen if the directories involved are small. This does > > not happen when FAILSAFE is present. The problem certainly has something > > to do with tagged queing as has already been pointed out in a previous > > msg. Without FAILSAFE, SCSI_NCR_DFLT_TAGS defaults to 4 but I've seen > > at least 1 msg on this list where someone had set SCSI_NCR_DFLT_TAGS=8. > > You can use any number of tags between 0 and 16, but in my tests > with several drives I found 8 tags to give best performance and > 4 tags to give nearly identical performance woth less system load. > Justin Gibbs reported throughput improvements with much higher > numbers of tags, but I could not reproduce them, either because I > could not produce the same kind of load, or because the NCR driver > uses linear lists in a few cases, which does not matter if there > are a few entries in the list, but may do, if the list grows to > tens or hundreds of entries. > > > Can anyone confirm or deny that the problem is related to recent (Jun 2?) > > changes in the kernel? > > No, there have been none in that area, sorry. > > > Jun 26 18:01:15 abou /kernel: (ncr0:6:0): "QUANTUM QM318000TD-SW N1B0" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 > > I do not know, whether there is a problem with tags in that firmware > release (N1B0). The problem existed in both the Atlas and Atlas II, > but I do not know much about the Atlas III ... > > There should not be any data loss because of that situation. You may > want to test the next snapshot release of Justin Gibbs CAM code. It > is much better tested with Adaptec cards, but I've been using a CAM > system for several months with my NCR card and an old Quantum Atlas > with no problems. (But the highest load is an occasional "make world" > every one or two weeks :) > > Regards, STefan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 13 10:58:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05417 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:58:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.hughes.net (mail.hughes.net [205.139.35.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05375; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:58:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jer@hughes.net) Received: from ws-47-110.selectaswitch.com (47-110.hughes.net [208.135.47.110]) by mail.hughes.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-13727) with SMTP id AAA1842; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:58:23 -0700 Message-ID: <009501bdae88$70e84f20$6e2f87d0@ws-47-110.selectaswitch.com> From: "Jeremy Domingue" To: , , , Subject: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:02:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hey all... First of all, parts of this message may sound like Linux bashing to some people... that's not my intent, so if I come across that way I apoligize. Also, this message is going to be pretty long... please bear with me. I started using Linux (RedHat) a year ago. At first, I had a lot of problems but I assumed that was simply because I was very unexperienced and had to go through the normal learning curve that everyone does. About 8 months ago, I got myself a brand new Gateway (ALR) Pentium II 266 server, and needless to say I was completely excited. I thought that with this new hardware linux was going to completely ROCK and fix some of the problems I was having with my previous (clone) server. Obviously, since I am here now, it did not. Ever since I first installed Linux a year ago I have been going back and forth from bug to bug, problem to problem, in a never ending battle of trying to get my server to stay up any more than a week. I have been told everything from "your hardware is bad" to "wait for the next version" to "that's not supported" to "there are bugs in that code and someone needs to fix it". Frankly, I am SICK of hearing this again and again! If I had some piece of crap clone hardware, I could probably understand some of the issues I have been having, but this is name brand (what I thought to be) quality hardware! I have replaced almost every piece of hardware in that server under the assumption it was bad and it has not helped one bit. When I started out with my new Gateway server, it was just a plain Pentium II 266 w/ 128mb of RAM. After googles of crashes, I thought, well, maybe it just isn't enough server for the load. So, I proceeded to get a second PII processor and upgraded to 512mb of RAM. More crashes, different errors, the story of my life with Linux. I have tried the latest release and development kernels, just about every patch I can find, and nothing works with it. It is the most unstable computer I have ever used in my entrie life... and I run an NT box as well (pretty sad the NT box stays up for months on end and I can't even keep the linux box running a week). So, at this point, I am looking for a fresh start, something that will allow the server to actually run a week or more without crashing. Finally, to my questions about FreeBSD: 1) First and foremost, I am wondering what issues I will face being a user very accustomed to linux. I know there will be differences between linux and FreeBSD, but can anyone outline some of the major ones? 2) Is there a way I can install FreeBSD without losing all of the stuff on the server right now such as user files, web pages, programs, etc? And possibly keep linux on there somewhere in case I ever decide to go back? 3) Is anyone using SMP on FreeBSD with an Adaptec 7880 on-board SCSI controller? Linux people keep telling me that this is not a good configuration for Linux... how about for FreeBSD? 4) I know that the current build of FreeBSD is listed as development and should not be used in a mission critical environment, however, what are people's experiences with it so far? If it seems to be fairly stable, I would be willing to give it a shot... I really need the SMP support. 5) Are there any other problems or issues I may face with my hardware configuration (listed below)? I would also be very interested in hearing from other previous (or current) Linux users' experiences with FreeBSD, and what comments they may have about the differences and advantages (especially stability-wise) to using FreeBSD instead of Linux. Any input would be greatly appreciated.... Only 24 hours till the next Linux crash... woo hoo! TIA, Jeremy Domingue jer@hughes.net Hardware Configuration: Gateway (formerly ALR) NS-7000 Server Dual PII 266mhz 512mb EDO ECC SDRAM (all from the same lot, same manufacturer) Adaptec 7880 on-board SCSI controller 3Com 10/100 Ethernet Card 2-4.1gb IBM SCSI hard drives To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 13 12:06:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16795 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:06:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16752 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:05:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paulo@nlink.com.br) Received: from localhost (paulo@localhost) by mirage.nlink.com.br (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA17049; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:03:06 -0300 (EST) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:03:06 -0300 (EST) From: Paulo Fragoso To: Tom cc: Stefan Eggers , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Finger and getpwent In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Tom wrote: > /etc/pwd.db is not a database version of /etc/passwd. Both /etc/pwd.db > and /etc/spwd.db are generated from the raw infomration in > /etc/master.passwd. pwd_mkdb likes to waste your time and spit out a text > version too. I think that both /etc/pwd.db and /etc/spwd.db have some wrong data for lines with "#" in /etc/master.passwd. What could I do to solve this problem? Are there any modification to pwd_mkdb in new stable? Am I rigth? Thanks, Paulo. > Tom > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 13 12:16:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18584 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:16:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA18568 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:16:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@obie.softweyr.com) Received: (from wes@localhost) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12199; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:15:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes) From: Wes Peters Message-Id: <199807131915.NAA12199@obie.softweyr.com> Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <009501bdae88$70e84f20$6e2f87d0@ws-47-110.selectaswitch.com> from Jeremy Domingue at "Jul 13, 98 11:02:45 am" To: jer@hughes.net (Jeremy Domingue) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:15:54 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jeremy Domingue recently bemoaned: > I started using Linux (RedHat) a year ago. At first, I had a lot of problems > but I assumed that was simply because I was very unexperienced and had to go > through the normal learning curve that everyone does. About 8 months ago, I > got myself a brand new Gateway (ALR) Pentium II 266 server, and needless to > say I was completely excited. I thought that with this new hardware linux > was going to completely ROCK and fix some of the problems I was having with > my previous (clone) server. Obviously, since I am here now, it did not. > > Ever since I first installed Linux a year ago I have been going back and > forth from bug to bug, problem to problem, in a never ending battle of > trying to get my server to stay up any more than a week. I have been told > everything from "your hardware is bad" to "wait for the next version" to > "that's not supported" to "there are bugs in that code and someone needs to > fix it". Frankly, I am SICK of hearing this again and again! If I had some > piece of crap clone hardware, I could probably understand some of the issues > I have been having, but this is name brand (what I thought to be) quality > hardware! I have replaced almost every piece of hardware in that server > under the assumption it was bad and it has not helped one bit. You've expanded your mind enough to encompass Linux, and now FreeBSD, so hopefully you'll understand the follwoing as well: NAME BRAND does not mean QUALITY. The number of users on the FreeBSD lists over the years who have blamed various stupid prolblems on FreeBSD because they spent mega-$$$ on Gateway, Dell, Compaq, IBM, etc., systems is astonishing. My "piece of crap clone" 486 system has run each successive FreeBSD release since 2.0.5 since it was new, and generally is rebooted only to upgrade to a new kernel, or to insert or remove hardware. typical uptimes between reboots is about 2 months; I try ti keep this system relabitvely -STABLE, since it's my front door. ;^) Gateway is pretty well known for selling "the box of rocks du jour." If you order two identical systems from them, and don't specify every piece of hardware by name, you're likely to get two different video cards, two different hard drives, etc. It just depends on what is in the "bargain" parts bin when they assemble YOUR computer that day. > When I started out with my new Gateway server, it was just a plain Pentium > II 266 w/ 128mb of RAM. After googles of crashes, I thought, well, maybe it > just isn't enough server for the load. So, I proceeded to get a second PII > processor and upgraded to 512mb of RAM. More crashes, different errors, the > story of my life with Linux. I have tried the latest release and development > kernels, just about every patch I can find, and nothing works with it. It is > the most unstable computer I have ever used in my entrie life... and I run > an NT box as well (pretty sad the NT box stays up for months on end and I > can't even keep the linux box running a week). > > So, at this point, I am looking for a fresh start, something that will allow > the server to actually run a week or more without crashing. > > Finally, to my questions about FreeBSD: > > 1) First and foremost, I am wondering what issues I will face being a user > very accustomed to linux. I know there will be differences between linux and > FreeBSD, but can anyone outline some of the major ones? The configuration and installation is drastically different. I find FreeBSD easier to install, but it won't work with quite the range of hardware Linux will. Your hardware listed below looks pretty plain; I don't see anything off the top of my head that sets off alarm bells. There have been some comments lately about recent new releases of Adpatec controllers, but I think they mostly pertain to 7895 (?) controllers, rather than 7880. > 2) Is there a way I can install FreeBSD without losing all of the stuff on > the server right now such as user files, web pages, programs, etc? And > possibly keep linux on there somewhere in case I ever decide to go back? You can certainly leave Linux on a partition on your hard disk, and install FreeBSD on another disk or partition. The user files, etc., could be transferred to tape, disk, or another machine and brought back over using tar, cpio, dump/restore, etc. You'll find that many of the server applications are common to FreeBSD and Linux, i.e. Apache, wu-ftpd, etc. Some (or all) of your configuration *MAY* port straight over. Some parts that depend on filesystem paths may not port all that well. > 3) Is anyone using SMP on FreeBSD with an Adaptec 7880 on-board SCSI > controller? Linux people keep telling me that this is not a good > configuration for Linux... how about for FreeBSD? You won't find a discussion of SMP on the -current list, because SMP isn't in the -current release. You'll have to ask questions of this nature in the freebsd-current mailing list. > 4) I know that the current build of FreeBSD is listed as development and > should not be used in a mission critical environment, however, what are > people's experiences with it so far? If it seems to be fairly stable, I > would be willing to give it a shot... I really need the SMP support. If you're really interested in stability, use -STABLE, or the latest -RELEASE. If you really need SMP support, find a recent -CURRENT snapshot that is know to work pretty well and gamble on that. We don't have a -STABLE SMP yet, but the 3.0 release is screaming up on us. I'm waiting with baited breath, but I'm going to wait. For what I use FreeBSD, -STABLE is the best choice at any point. > 5) Are there any other problems or issues I may face with my hardware > configuration (listed below)? > > I would also be very interested in hearing from other previous (or current) > Linux users' experiences with FreeBSD, and what comments they may have about > the differences and advantages (especially stability-wise) to using FreeBSD > instead of Linux. I use OpenLinux 1.2 and RedHat 5.0 on Trashiba Equium desktops a bit, but mostly only for network testing. We have an IBM tokenring card in the RedHat box, so we can generate BIG packets with DF (IP don't fragment option) set. ;^) Both seem stable for the undemanding uses we put them to, but I certainly wouldn't want one of them on MY desk, which is inhabited by a SPARC-5 running Slowlaris and yet another Trashiba Equium running FreeBSD 2.2.6. At least it has a Pro/100 on board. ;^) > Hardware Configuration: > > Gateway (formerly ALR) NS-7000 Server Motherboard? Chipset? > Dual PII 266mhz > 512mb EDO ECC SDRAM (all from the same lot, same manufacturer) > Adaptec 7880 on-board SCSI controller > 3Com 10/100 Ethernet Card You may not find the best performance with a 3com card. The Intel EtherExpress Pro 100 (currenlty B or + models) is the favorite, with stellar throughput and easy configurability. You may want to acquire one. FreeBSD users have reported finding them in the mid-$40 range (in the continental USA). > 2-4.1gb IBM SCSI hard drives I haven't seen any bitching about the IBM drives lately, so they're either working well or not very popular. I seem to recall several people mentioning them late last year, so maybe they're working well? The best way to find if FreeBSD works on your hardware is to try it. Find some spare disk space, or another drive, throw FreeBSD on it, and beat on it for a week. If it looks good, transfer over the Linux files and be done with it. Good luck. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 13 12:23:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19356 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:23:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19349 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:23:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jer@jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jer@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA14973; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:22:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:22:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeremy Shaffner To: Paulo Fragoso cc: Tom , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Finger and getpwent In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Paulo Fragoso wrote: > > But I'm using vipw to edit this files. I would like to leave coments in > /etc/master.passwd and /etc/passwd. > > In /etc/master.passwd edited with vipw: > > user1:(password):... > user2:(password):... > #user3:(password):... > this users stopped logins temporarily > user4:(password):... > Bad form. Instead place an asterisk '*' in front of their password: user3:*Ka1Jbl2sowmOls:.... -===================================================================- Jeremy Shaffner JORSM Internet Senior Technical Support Northwest Indiana's Premium jer@jorsm.com Internet Service Provider support@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com -===================================================================- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 13 12:32:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21214 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:32:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.hughes.net (mail.hughes.net [205.139.35.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21208 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:32:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jer@hughes.net) Received: from ws-47-110.selectaswitch.com (47-110.hughes.net [208.135.47.110]) by mail.hughes.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-13727) with SMTP id AAA9913; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:32:44 -0700 Message-ID: <015001bdae95$9ec4ce20$6e2f87d0@ws-47-110.selectaswitch.com> From: "Jeremy Domingue" To: "Wes Peters" Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:37:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG LOL, sorry, I didn't mean to imply that all clones were "pieces of crap", I just wanted to get the point across that the hardware I am using _should_ work in Linux (or so they say, and hopefully in FreeBSD) and is relatively well supported among most operating systems :). I've used and still use a couple of clones that have not given me a single problem since I got them :). I do know that name brand doesn't mean quality, but when I have the money I stick with names that I hear from other people perform well in most conditions, like Intel, Adaptec, 3com, etc, etc. For instance, a few people include yourself have already commented on the great performance of the Intel netcards, so if i do install FreeBSD I'll probably end up buying one of those. I've bought Gateways since '92 (have 4 total now) and none of them have ever given me any problems (hardware-wise), and Gateway has always stood behind their stuff, so that's why I keep going back. Thanks for the response, it is appreciated :). Jeremy Domingue jer@hughes.net >You've expanded your mind enough to encompass Linux, and now FreeBSD, >so hopefully you'll understand the follwoing as well: NAME BRAND >does not mean QUALITY. The number of users on the FreeBSD lists >over the years who have blamed various stupid prolblems on FreeBSD >because they spent mega-$$$ on Gateway, Dell, Compaq, IBM, etc., >systems is astonishing. My "piece of crap clone" 486 system has >run each successive FreeBSD release since 2.0.5 since it was new, >and generally is rebooted only to upgrade to a new kernel, or to >insert or remove hardware. typical uptimes between reboots is >about 2 months; I try ti keep this system relabitvely -STABLE, >since it's my front door. ;^) > >Gateway is pretty well known for selling "the box of rocks du jour." >If you order two identical systems from them, and don't specify >every piece of hardware by name, you're likely to get two different >video cards, two different hard drives, etc. It just depends on >what is in the "bargain" parts bin when they assemble YOUR computer >that day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 13 12:45:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23389 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:45:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hobbes.saturn-tech.com (drussell@hobbes.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23365; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:45:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by hobbes.saturn-tech.com (8.8.4/8.8.2) with SMTP id NAA02167; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:44:35 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:44:35 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: "Saad M. Waraich" cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, leo@talcom.net, se@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NCR 875 and tagged queing. Broken? In-Reply-To: <199807130844.NAA11954@isb.ncr.com.pk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Saad M. Waraich wrote: > The problem is a combination of the NCR driver and the Atlas III drive. > I have an 875 based card (Tekram 390F) and a 2 gig. Atlas III drive and > I've seen this problem a lot. > > Upgrading the drive's firmware didn't help either. Is it worth it to talk > to Quantum about this problem ? They could easily shrug it off saying > that it is a problem in the driver. I haven't gotten around to upgrading the firmware and testing it on an 8xx as it is sitting on an Adaptec AVA-2825 VL-bus card. Works great over there, but I don't think the aic driver even has provisions for tagged queueing, does it? (Or, does the controller even support it?) I'll play with it again at some point. :) Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 13 13:12:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27633 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:12:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.video-collage.com (root@www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA27628 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:12:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@xxx.video-collage.com) Received: from xxx.video-collage.com (root@xxx.video-collage.com [199.232.254.68]) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09127 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by xxx.video-collage.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA15772 for stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:12:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi) From: Mikhail Teterin Message-Id: <199807132012.QAA15772@xxx.video-collage.com> Subject: can not build -STABLE To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: mi@video-collage.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I'm trying to upgrade 2.2.5-STABLE FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE #1: Mon Mar 9 17:23:34 EST 1998 to the latest. The build dies mistriously but consitently with: make -m /usr/src/share/mk world [....] rm -f libcc_int.so.*.* libcc_int_pic.a rm -f .depend /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/GRTAGS /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/GTAGS ===> gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp ".depend", line 9: Need an operator make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue *** Error code 1 Stop. This happens with or without "/usr/src/share/mk"... Clues? Thanks! -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 13 15:02:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18613 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:02:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fdy2.demon.co.uk (fdy2.demon.co.uk [194.222.102.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18492 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:02:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rjs@fdy2.demon.co.uk) Received: (from rjs@localhost) by fdy2.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00347; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:59:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rjs) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:59:28 +0100 (BST) From: Robert Swindells Message-Id: <199807132159.WAA00347@fdy2.demon.co.uk> To: wes@softweyr.com CC: jer@hughes.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199807131915.NAA12199@obie.softweyr.com> (message from Wes Peters on Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:15:54 -0600 (MDT)) Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> 2-4.1gb IBM SCSI hard drives >I haven't seen any bitching about the IBM drives lately, so they're >either working well or not very popular. I seem to recall several >people mentioning them late last year, so maybe they're working >well? They're working well. 1x DCAS-32160 2x DCAS-32160W Robert Swindells ------------------------------------- Robert Swindells - GenRad Ltd rjs@genrad.co.uk - Work rjs@fdy2.demon.co.uk - Home To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 13 16:12:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00589 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:12:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00582 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:12:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfieber@indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA01815; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:12:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:12:25 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Wes Peters cc: Jeremy Domingue , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199807131915.NAA12199@obie.softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Wes Peters wrote: > NAME BRAND does not mean QUALITY. The number of users on the > FreeBSD lists over the years who have blamed various stupid > prolblems on FreeBSD because they spent mega-$$$ on Gateway, > Dell, Compaq, IBM, etc., systems is astonishing. I even hear quite a few NT users coming to the realization that a lot of hardware is just plain broken. These days Name Brand buying is only relevant at the component level, and even then a number of reputable manufacturers have some real duds to avoid in their product lines. > You won't find a discussion of SMP on the -current list, because SMP > isn't in the -current release. You'll have to ask questions of this > nature in the freebsd-current mailing list. The first two mentions of -current should be -stable I believe. -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 13 16:18:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01680 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:18:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from engulf.net (engulf.com [207.96.124.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01620; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:18:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brandon@engulf.net) Received: from localhost (brandon@localhost) by engulf.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA10505; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:14:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Lockhart To: Jeremy Domingue cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <009501bdae88$70e84f20$6e2f87d0@ws-47-110.selectaswitch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG First of all, I do not recommend Gateway 2k for server's. Get a COMPAQ or HP or SUN. RISC is the way to go. Second of all, no offense, but I don't need to hear your life story about your *server*, you could have just asked the questions. :1) First and foremost, I am wondering what issues I will face being a user :very accustomed to linux. I know there will be differences between linux and :FreeBSD, but can anyone outline some of the major ones? Well, let's see. Linux is a clone of SYSV, and FreeBSD a clone of BSD, is that major enough for you? Possibly different devices, different FS, different operating system, just to name a few. :2) Is there a way I can install FreeBSD without losing all of the stuff on :the server right now such as user files, web pages, programs, etc? And :possibly keep linux on there somewhere in case I ever decide to go back? Ever heard of a tape backup or multiple partitions? Possibly a nice CD-RW :3) Is anyone using SMP on FreeBSD with an Adaptec 7880 on-board SCSI :controller? Linux people keep telling me that this is not a good :configuration for Linux... how about for FreeBSD? Most likely. I am not to experienced with it. :4) I know that the current build of FreeBSD is listed as development and :should not be used in a mission critical environment, however, what are :people's experiences with it so far? If it seems to be fairly stable, I :would be willing to give it a shot... I really need the SMP support. I love my 3.0-CURRENT, update every saturday. yes, sometimes I do need to patch some things, but hey, that's what you get when you have crappy hardware. :5) Are there any other problems or issues I may face with my hardware :configuration (listed below)? Read #1, difference device names and you may have faster access to the devices, if that is a problem for you. Your performance will most likely be boosted, and you will most likely have a more stable system, my suggestion, hit it with a stick twice a night or until it crashes to solve the stability problem. :I would also be very interested in hearing from other previous (or current) :Linux users' experiences with FreeBSD, and what comments they may have about :the differences and advantages (especially stability-wise) to using FreeBSD :instead of Linux. : :Any input would be greatly appreciated.... : :Only 24 hours till the next Linux crash... woo hoo! : :TIA, : :Jeremy Domingue :jer@hughes.net : :Hardware Configuration: : :Gateway (formerly ALR) NS-7000 Server :Dual PII 266mhz :512mb EDO ECC SDRAM (all from the same lot, same manufacturer) :Adaptec 7880 on-board SCSI controller :3Com 10/100 Ethernet Card :2-4.1gb IBM SCSI hard drives : : :To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message : ,-----------------------------------------------------------------. | //// "Anything I say represents only my opinion." | | (o o) / | | ,---ooO--(_)--Ooo---------------------------------------------, | | | BRANDON LOCKHART | | | `-------------------------------------------------------------' | | brandon.lockhart@usinternetworking.com brandon@engulf.net | | Work: (410) 897-4551 Pager: (888) xxx-xxxx | `-----------------------------------------------------------------' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 13 16:27:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA03310 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:27:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03302; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:27:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11828; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:27:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199807132327.RAA11828@pluto.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 11980712 CAM snapshot now available. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:22:01 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Complete information about this snapshot may be obtains from: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/cam/README or ftp://ftp.kdm.org/pub/FreeBSD/cam/README The snapshot is currently available in diff form only, but a full 3.0SNAP binary release should be available on ftp.FreeBSD.org tonight or tomorrow morning. A release for 2.2-stable should follow a day later. Changes for the 19980712 Snapshot: - Ports collection now includes Tosha, cdrecord, and xmcd 2.3. - Added devstat(3) and devstat(9) man page. - Some bug fixes to the hard-wiring code. - Added preliminary Adaptec 174X driver. - Aic7xxx driver improvements: Attempt to read SEEPROM data in both formats before failing. This should allow the driver to detect a SEEPROM on many mother board controllers. Correct the setting of the SCSIID for ULTRA2 chips if we can't find a SEEPROM. Fix hang in dataphase on Rev B. aic7880 parts. Correct some LVD/Ultra2 bugs. LVD support has now been tested on a 2940U2W with both Seagate Cheetah and Quantum Atlas II LVD drives. Corrected incorrect sync rate setting for all non-ULTRA2 adapters for rates other than 20MHz or 10MHz. This was a bug introduced in the last snapshot. Fixed a few error recovery bugs. Added support for reading the SEEPROM from aic7850 based cards like the 2910C. - Corrected several bugs in the AdvanSys driver's command completion and timeout handling code as well as fully convert it to bus_dma. Thanks to John-Mark Gurney for being a patient tester. - Corrected several bugs in the BusLogic MultiMaster driver's command completion and timeout handling code. Thanks again to John-Mark Gurney for being a patient tester. - Incorperated a few bug fixes from Stefan Esser for the NCR driver. Some experimental fixes to the QUEUE FULL handler are also included. - QLogic ISP driver integrated by Matthew Jacob - Allow the CD driver to attach to WORM devices. - Corrected devstat(9) support in the floppy driver. - Added support for "short erase" as "mt erase 0". The sa driver defaults to a "long erase" as is the behavior of the st driver it replaces. - Be smarter about tape devices that lack a compression page. Corrects a problem reported by Joey Miller where the driver refused to access an Archive DDS1 drive. - Add support for PC98 geometry conversion based on code provided by KATO Takenori . - Mode page editing features have been incorporated into the camcontrol utility. - libcam now knows how to parse arbitrary command strings just like the old SCSI library. - Use 10byte CDBs for CDROM reads and writes. The spec lists 6byte CDBs as optional. - The XPT layer no longer caches sync rate information. Instead it asks the SIM driver when it wants it. This should ensure that mailbox based and cards with similar interfaces don't have to jump through hoops to provide this information via an async callback. It should make the information provided by the bt and isp drivers acurate. - Fixed several problems in the CAM_GET_PASSTHROUGH xpt ioctl. >From Hans Huebner - Updated the ch(4) driver and chio(1) command to include volume tag support. These changes have been tested with a Breeze Hill Q47 DLT and a DEC DLT2500 media changer. The latter has no volume tag support. - The chio(1) command was updated to include various flags to the status subcommand. These flags can be used to select additional information to be displayed (like volume tags). - A new chio(1) subcommand named 'voltag' has been added which allows for changes to volume tags inside the media changer controller. This could not be tested as the Q47 does not provide the functio- nality. - The ch(4) manual page was updated to include more information about the reality of this driver. - usr.sbin/rmt/rmt.c has been updated to include the V command, which is used by SGI's xfsdump to verify the rmt servers version number. -- Justin T. Gibbs Kenneth D. Merry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 13 17:04:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11092 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:04:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lucy.bedford.net (lucy.bedford.net [206.99.145.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10909; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:04:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from listread@lucy.bedford.net) Received: (from listread@localhost) by lucy.bedford.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02118; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:38:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from listread) Message-Id: <199807132338.TAA02118@lucy.bedford.net> Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <009501bdae88$70e84f20$6e2f87d0@ws-47-110.selectaswitch.com> from Jeremy Domingue at "Jul 13, 98 11:02:45 am" To: jer@hughes.net (Jeremy Domingue) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-no-archive: yes Reply-to: djv@bedford.net From: CyberPeasant X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jeremy Domingue wrote: [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > Hey all... > > tale of woe snipped... > Finally, to my questions about FreeBSD: > > 1) First and foremost, I am wondering what issues I will face being a user > very accustomed to linux. I know there will be differences between linux and > FreeBSD, but can anyone outline some of the major ones? Well, BSD is BSD and Linux is SysVish. You will find system startup procedures different. There are different systems calls, and slightly different file system semantics. There are a few conventional differences in where files go. (Mail folders in /var/mail, not /var/spool/mail, man pages in /usr/share/man, not /usr/man... stuff like that). These are all minor things. Ease the transition by using bash as your shell. Applications stay the same, by and large. Sendmail is sendmail, BIND is BIND. X is X. Apache is apache... > 2) Is there a way I can install FreeBSD without losing all of the stuff on > the server right now such as user files, web pages, programs, etc? And > possibly keep linux on there somewhere in case I ever decide to go back? Not a problem. See the webpage www.freebsd.org. Essentially, you need some free primary partition. FreeBSD will read your linux partitions just dandy. (You'll need to build a kernel for this, though, I think). Linux Intel binaries can (with some exceptions) be run efficiently under linux emulation. > 3) Is anyone using SMP on FreeBSD with an Adaptec 7880 on-board SCSI > controller? Linux people keep telling me that this is not a good > configuration for Linux... how about for FreeBSD? I don't know about the SMP aspects, but for single processor use (in my case PPro 200), the 7880 has been the source of no problems. My impression from the list is that this is a "good" SCSI card/chip. Again, how that impacts on SMP, I don't know. > 4) I know that the current build of FreeBSD is listed as development and > should not be used in a mission critical environment, however, what are > people's experiences with it so far? If it seems to be fairly stable, I > would be willing to give it a shot... I really need the SMP support. don't know. Try it single processor with 2.2.6-RELEASE and see if you /really/ need SMP. *BSD* is rumored to work better under load than Linux. ;-) You'll probably want to tweak up a custom kernel, anyway. > 5) Are there any other problems or issues I may face with my hardware > configuration (listed below)? The only problem I see is with the NIC. If it's a 3C905B, there's trouble: not yet supported. Tell the list precisely what kind it is. I don't use a 3Com NIC of any type. Since you're a commercial site, forking out for a different NIC (Intel 100B seems to be the current "fave"), is a minor problem. > I would also be very interested in hearing from other previous (or current) > Linux users' experiences with FreeBSD, and what comments they may have about > the differences and advantages (especially stability-wise) to using FreeBSD > instead of Linux. I had very good stability experiences with Linux (lightly loaded machine, very very vanilla hardware); what drove me from Linux was the continual upgrade/configuration game. It seemed that, just to keep the machine in some semblence of "current" (i.e. bug removal) required a great deal of effort, newsgroup and mailinglist stalking, fussing with various packages/rpms/blah from a thousand places on the 'net. I had installed BSD (Open and Net) on other machines, and noticed that all I did with them was /boot them and use them/, that I just wasn't fussing around so much, that the machines that I could rely on weren't the one I was fooling around with. So I turned all the i86 hardware over to FreeBSD. Yup, no more configuration games. No more wondering which version of ld.so works this week. The BSD's behave much more like a commercial Unix: install, configure, test/checkout, put it into production. Then sit back and read the logs. There are no "distribution" nightmares or libc/glibc version shennanigans. The "distribution" is everything: kernel, source, userland. This may seem unimportant, until you realize how little of /your/ time and thought goes into using it. Slick, in other words. The other Linux misfeature that drove me away was the low quality and disinterest in the improvemnet of such unglamorous things as NFS, the r-commands, some userland security things. Despite the fact that the source code has been free for-- what? 10 years?-- linux still can't seem to read and write a unix filesystem. Why? Well, "ext2fs is superior! Use that! N.I.H.!" I don't think you can run an arbitrary *BSD* binary under Linux, either. "Just recompile it!" > Hardware Configuration: > > Gateway (formerly ALR) NS-7000 Server > Dual PII 266mhz > 512mb EDO ECC SDRAM (all from the same lot, same manufacturer) > Adaptec 7880 on-board SCSI controller > 3Com 10/100 Ethernet Card See above. > 2-4.1gb IBM SCSI hard drives Dave -- Sancho Panza: `Microsoft Windows NT Server is the most secure network operating system available.' Don Quixote: `You are mistaken, Sancho.' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 13 18:56:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27726 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:56:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from st-lcremean.tidalwave.net (lee@st-lcremean.tidalwave.net [208.213.203.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27599 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:56:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lee@st-lcremean.tidalwave.net) Received: (from lee@localhost) by st-lcremean.tidalwave.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA02068; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:55:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lee) Message-ID: <19980713215548.32396@st-lcremean.tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:55:48 -0400 From: Lee Cremeans To: mi@video-collage.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: can not build -STABLE Reply-To: lcremean@tidalwave.net References: <199807132012.QAA15772@xxx.video-collage.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <199807132012.QAA15772@xxx.video-collage.com>; from Mikhail Teterin on Mon, Jul 13, 1998 at 04:12:06PM -0400 X-OS: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE (soon to be 3.0-CURRENT) X-Evil: microsoft.com Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi! > > I'm trying to upgrade 2.2.5-STABLE FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE #1: Mon Mar > 9 17:23:34 EST 1998 to the latest. The build dies mistriously but > consitently with: > > make -m /usr/src/share/mk world > [....] > rm -f libcc_int.so.*.* libcc_int_pic.a > rm -f .depend /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/GRTAGS /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/GTAGS > ===> gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp > ".depend", line 9: Need an operator > make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. It sounds like you need to update /usr/bin/make. Go to /usr/src/usr.bin/make, type "make install", then try the build again. -- Lee C. -- Manassas, VA, USA (WakkyMouse on DALnet #watertower) A! JW223 YWD+++^ri P&B++ SL+++^i GDF B&M KK--i MD+++i P++ I++++ Did $++ E5/10/70/3c/73ac/95/96 H2 PonPippi Ay77 M | lcremean@tidalwave.net FreeBSD/Linux/Unix hacker...Win95 and M$ evil! (go see www.freebsd.org) My home page: http://st-lcremean.tidalwave.net/~lee | finger me for geek code To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 13 19:12:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29728 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:12:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.ziplink.net (mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.29.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA29723 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:12:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@rtfm.ziplink.net) Received: from rtfm.ziplink.net (mi@rtfm [199.232.255.52]) by localhost.ziplink.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA07482 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:12:26 GMT (envelope-from mi@rtfm.ziplink.net) Received: (from mi@localhost) by rtfm.ziplink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id WAA07267 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:12:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikhail Teterin Message-Id: <199807140212.WAA07267@rtfm.ziplink.net> Subject: Re: can not build -STABLE In-Reply-To: <19980713215548.32396@st-lcremean.tidalwave.net> from "Lee Cremeans" at "Jul 13, 98 09:55:48 pm" To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:12:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7w hJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli" Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29846 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:15:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fw.bby.com.au (ns.bby.com.au [192.83.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA29838 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:14:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnb@bby.com.au) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by fw.bby.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) id MAA10200 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:14:52 +1000 (EST) Received: from melba.bby.com.au(192.43.186.1) via SMTP by fw.bby.com.au, id smtpd010198; Tue Jul 14 02:14:48 1998 Received: from lightning (lightning.bby.com.au [192.43.186.20]) by melba.bby.com.au (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id MAA09677 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:15:10 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199807140215.MAA09677@melba.bby.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 From: Gregory Bond To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: sysinstall request: confirm overwrite! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:14:45 +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Maybe I'm just stupid or something, but I got bit bad by sysinstall on the weekend. I wanted to load some of the source packages that I hadn't put on when i installed the system and sysinstall looked like the sensible way to do it. However, whether it's because I'm stupid or the interface sucks or I haven't Rd TFM right, what I _thought_ I was doing was adding the contrib and X sources. What I actually wound up doing was reinstalling the whole system, binaries, config files, source and all, as if from scratch. I noticed this when it started putting stuff into /etc and of course all sorts of things, including all my cvsup'd source, got overwritten/broken. Some time then spent in cleaning up all the /etc configs ... :< (Interesting data point: for CVSup to go from a CD-ROM 2.2.6 install to a -STABLE snapshot as of last weekend, for all sources except gnu & X, was about 10 minutes.) I doubt I'm the first person to do this and I'm probably not the stupidist or least experienced system admin to ever run FreeBSD, so it would be a Good Thing if sysinstall could notice that you are about to overwrite stuff and ask permission first.... Greg. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 13 21:45:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16215 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:45:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16196 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:45:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from obie.softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA12918; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:45:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:45:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199807140445.WAA12918@obie.softweyr.com> Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD From: Wes Peters To: dhw@whistle.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, jer@hughes.net Reply-To: Wes Peters In-Reply-To: <199807131941.MAA09628@pau-amma.whistle.com> References: <199807131941.MAA09628@pau-amma.whistle.com> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: BeatWare Mail-It 1.6 X-BeOS-Platform: Intel or clone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id VAA16207 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My hidden microphone recorded David Wolfskill (dhw@whistle.com) saying: % >From: Wes Peters % >Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:15:54 -0600 (MDT) % % >You won't find a discussion of SMP on the -current list, because SMP % >isn't in the -current release. You'll have to ask questions of this % >nature in the freebsd-current mailing list. % % I suspect that the above paragraph is likely to be construed as % confusing -- probably rather more so than you intended.... Uh, whoops! I of course meant the -stable list and -stable release in the first sentence. Doh! Thanks for pointing this out, David, it *is* rather confusing. If you want to discuss features, stability, or anything else about SMP support on FreeBSD, you will need to join the freebsd-CURRENT list, as SMP is only supported in the -CURRENT development system. Sorry for any confusion that I've created. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 13 22:13:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA18892 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:13:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA18884 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:13:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from obie.softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA13051; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:13:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199807140513.XAA13051@obie.softweyr.com> Subject: Re: Finger and getpwent From: Wes Peters To: paulo@nlink.com.br, jer@jorsm.com Cc: tom@uniserve.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: Wes Peters In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: BeatWare Mail-It 1.6 X-BeOS-Platform: Intel or clone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id WAA18887 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My hidden microphone recorded Jeremy Shaffner (jer@jorsm.com) saying: % On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Paulo Fragoso wrote: % % > % > But I'm using vipw to edit this files. I would like to leave coments in % > /etc/master.passwd and /etc/passwd. % > % > In /etc/master.passwd edited with vipw: % > % > user1:(password):... % > user2:(password):... % > #user3:(password):... > this users stopped logins temporarily % > user4:(password):... % > % % Bad form. Instead place an asterisk '*' in front of their password: % % user3:*Ka1Jbl2sowmOls:.... This is correct. In the example above, all you have done is change the name of 'user3' to '#user3', which isn't very secure. A better to stop all interactive logins is to change their shell to /sbin/nologin, which will not allow them to login interactively. A *somewhat* better solution is to use my nologin program, which logs attempts to login to disabled accounts via syslog. You can retrieve both from ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/users/s/softweyr/pub/ You'll want nologin.c and nologin.8. Compile nologin.c, put it in /usr/sbin, and use it as the login shell for accounts you want disabled. When someone attempts to login to your newly disabled account, you'll get a message like: Jul 13 23:11:32 obie nologin: sam on /dev/ttyp1 in your system log. You can add code to log watchers like daily and weekly to watch for breakin attempts on disabled accounts if you're feeling really secure. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 00:02:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA29009 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:02:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hoflink.com (root@hoflink.com [199.173.65.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29004 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:02:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikeg@hoflink.com) Received: from hoflink.com (no@[199.173.65.164]) by hoflink.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA29933 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AB025A.4A18E43A@hoflink.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:01:47 -0400 From: Michael Graziano X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD References: <009501bdae88$70e84f20$6e2f87d0@ws-47-110.selectaswitch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jeremy Domingue wrote: > Hey all... > > 1) First and foremost, I am wondering what issues I will face being a user > very accustomed to linux. I know there will be differences between linux and > FreeBSD, but can anyone outline some of the major ones? To ME, personally, UNIX is UNIX, and the differences are not major enough to cause ME any problems (But I adapt quickly). If you use bash as your shell, you probably won't have much trouble adjusting. The in some file locations (man pages, mail folders, stuff like that) might cause problems with specially configured shell scripts, but from your tale of woe, I can assume that you didn't have Linux up long enough to write many of those. > 2) Is there a way I can install FreeBSD without losing all of the stuff on > the server right now such as user files, web pages, programs, etc? And > possibly keep linux on there somewhere in case I ever decide to go back? Stick FreeBSD on a seperate drive/partition. It can read the Linux drives just fine to transfer files. The best thing to do would be make a tape of any important files and restore them to the FreeBSD system later. > 4) I know that the current build of FreeBSD is listed as development and > should not be used in a mission critical environment, however, what are > people's experiences with it so far? If it seems to be fairly stable, I > would be willing to give it a shot... I really need the SMP support. Nobody I know uses -current, since we're all paranoid skitzes, and I see 3.0.0's release looming on the horizon quickly so I don't know if you shouldn't just wait for it and get the added features in a more stable, well-tested environment. If you REALLY need the SMP support, go for it, the worst that can happen is the occasional bug slipping into code (Nobody would gamble if it wasn't for the risk of loosing everything!). > 5) Are there any other problems or issues I may face with my hardware > configuration (listed below)? The only thing I'm not sure about is the ethernet card. It should be fine, but maybe a bit slow. > I would also be very interested in hearing from other previous (or current) > Linux users' experiences with FreeBSD, and what comments they may have about > the differences and advantages (especially stability-wise) to using FreeBSD > instead of Linux. FreeBSD is more stable, slightly faster, and MUCH easier to configure than Linux (Debain, Caldera, Redhat). > Only 24 hours till the next Linux crash... woo hoo! Really? That long? Wow! > TIA, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 00:17:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00757 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:17:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cesit1.unifi.it (cesit1.unifi.it [150.217.1.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00751 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:17:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ugo@dsi.unifi.it) Received: from aguirre.dsi.unifi.it by CESIT1.UNIFI.IT (PMDF V5.1-10 #23168) with SMTP id <01IZDWDHQH3G000LDP@CESIT1.UNIFI.IT> for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:23:27 MET Received: from dsi.unifi.it (ppp-firenze71-75.iol.it) by aguirre.dsi.unifi.it (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05659; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 01:46:09 +0200 Received: from pegasus.home.net (pegasus.home.net [192.168.1.3]) by dsi.unifi.it (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA10456; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:55:14 +0200 (MET DST envelope-from ugo) Received: (from ugo@localhost) by pegasus.home.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA00310; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:55:09 +0200 (MET DST envelope-from ugo) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:55:09 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ugo Paternostro Subject: RE: zzz command doesn't put computer to sleep In-reply-to: <332F90115D96D0119CD500805FEA976B017A5D04@HSCMS01> To: "Nguyen HM (Mike)" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: Organization: Not an organization MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 06-Jul-98 Nguyen HM (Mike) wrote about "zzz command doesn't put computer to sleep": > I have a system w/ an ASUS P2L97S mobo. This is an ATX mobo, and so has > APM support and softpower, etc. However, when I type zzz (I have set up > APM in the kernel, etc.), it doesn't go to sleep. Instead, it seems to > do something momentarily, and then come back. There is a kernel message > that says > > resumed from suspended mode (slept 00:00:01) I see this too. This is why I always use the sleep button ;-) BTW, to make it work use: sleep 1 && zzz and don't touch the keyboard in the meanwhile (nor the mouse). My SP98AGP-X sleeps fine in this way, and wakes up as soon as I move the mouse or type something. > Mike. Bye, UP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 00:52:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03320 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:52:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA03315 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:52:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eternal@foci.net) Received: from et (user-38lc34p.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.12.153]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA08835 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003501bdaefc$0c5aa2a0$01646464@et.foci.net> From: "Eternal" To: Subject: New Bug ? Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:50:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just cvsup'd around July 2nd and a did a total rebuild. Now this week the machine has been rebooting by itself, from syslog it shows no reboot command was initiated, so it looks like something is crashing it. It also shows no program to which is crashing it. Has anyone else been having this problem ? If not, then it is probably a user overflowing the CPU or something of that sort. - Jeremy Blawn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 06:12:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA00872 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 06:12:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA00848 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 06:12:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paulo@nlink.com.br) Received: from localhost (paulo@localhost) by mirage.nlink.com.br (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA08750; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:11:00 -0300 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:11:00 -0300 (EST) From: Paulo Fragoso To: Jeremy Shaffner cc: Tom , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Finger and getpwent In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Jeremy Shaffner wrote: > Bad form. Instead place an asterisk '*' in front of their password: > > user3:*Ka1Jbl2sowmOls:.... > Really it's better :-) Many Thanks, Paulo. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 08:10:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16256 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:10:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16249; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:10:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24833; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:10:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199807141510.JAA24833@pluto.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Bug in 2.2CAM-19980712-SNAP.diffs.gz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:05:26 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The paths for new files in this diff file were screwed up, and I have uploaded a corrected version. Sorry for the inconvenience. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 08:12:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16459 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:12:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16439; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:12:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA18210; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807141511.IAA18210@implode.root.com> To: Brandon Lockhart cc: Jeremy Domingue , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:14:16 EDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:11:50 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >First of all, I do not recommend Gateway 2k for server's. Get a COMPAQ or >HP or SUN. RISC is the way to go. It's a good thing that we (the FreeBSD developers) don't believe this else several of the largest servers on the Internet wouldn't be running FreeBSD. ...but of course we think otherwise. FreeBSD makes an excellent server platform and most PCs, despite their warts, work just fine in this application. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 10:05:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04147 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:05:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from destiny.erols.com (root@destiny.erols.com [207.96.73.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04140 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:05:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdowdal@destiny.erols.com) Received: from destiny.erols.com (someone@destiny.erols.com [207.96.73.65]) by destiny.erols.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA06025; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:04:29 -0400 (EDT) From: John Dowdal To: Jonathan Smith cc: Nino Tungul , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Full file system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Jonathan Smith wrote: > > Help! Help! Help! > > > > I'm new with freeBSD and I always get a message > > "kernel: uid 0 /: file system full" on our server, but when run df it only > > shows 41% (mounted on / ) on capacity. How can I clear this mess.? > > Can somebody help me? > > > / must also contain /temp. Some programs create temporary files that are > 'unlinked' and 'open' so the file is accessible from the prog where it is > open, but appears to not exist. > >From my experience, 'df' includes files which are in the unlinked but open state in its usage statistics. These files will make the number returned by 'du -skx /' not equal to the number returned by 'df -k /'. > I'd reccomend putting /tmp as it's own partition. Recommendation stands. Possible accurate explainations: 1) Assume no unlinked but open files Process owning the files which fail to write because of disk full closes and delete the files, freeing the space. This may cause the program to abnormally terminate or produce truncated results. It may also reduce in reduced functionality, such as 'vi' not being able to recover files or undelete large blocks which were deleted 2) Assume unlinked but open files fill the disk Process owning the files which fail to write will abnormally terminate, causing the space to be freed because all open files are closed on termination. Check for terminated daemons and abnormal terminations in your logs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 10:43:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08216 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:43:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA08208 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:43:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yw96U-0003fA-00; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:43:02 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:43:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Eternal cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New Bug ? In-Reply-To: <003501bdaefc$0c5aa2a0$01646464@et.foci.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Eternal wrote: > I just cvsup'd around July 2nd and a did a total rebuild. > Now this week the machine has been rebooting by itself, from syslog it shows > no reboot command was initiated, so it looks like something is crashing it. > It also shows no program to which is crashing it. That is pretty consistant with RAM or other hardware failure. > If not, then it is probably a user overflowing the CPU or something of that > sort. Overflowing the CPU? That doesn't happen (or can't happen). > - Jeremy Blawn Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 10:56:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10431 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:56:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA10422 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:56:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yw9It-0004qd-00; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:55:51 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:55:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Wes Peters cc: paulo@nlink.com.br, jer@jorsm.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Finger and getpwent In-Reply-To: <199807140513.XAA13051@obie.softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Wes Peters wrote: > A *somewhat* better solution is to use my nologin program, which logs > attempts to login to disabled accounts via syslog. You can retrieve Except that nologin just stops shell logins, not all password authentication. So POP, IMAP, some FTP, RADIUS, all suceed. Munging the password field is better. Attempts to access disabled accounts is logged as well, as will all incorrect passwords. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 11:13:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA13715 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:13:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13056 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:09:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paulo@nlink.com.br) Received: from localhost (paulo@localhost) by mirage.nlink.com.br (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA17533; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:07:08 -0300 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:07:07 -0300 (EST) From: Paulo Fragoso To: Tom cc: Wes Peters , jer@jorsm.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Finger and getpwent In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Tom wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Wes Peters wrote: > > > A *somewhat* better solution is to use my nologin program, which logs > > attempts to login to disabled accounts via syslog. You can retrieve > > Except that nologin just stops shell logins, not all password > authentication. So POP, IMAP, some FTP, RADIUS, all suceed. Munging the > password field is better. Attempts to access disabled accounts is logged > as well, as will all incorrect passwords. > Because this I can't use "nologin" shells. I'm using "*" in initial password string insted "#" in the beginning of line. I would like in future to use "#" in the beginning of the line. Because it's more visualy :-) > Tom > Paulo. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 12:53:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02949 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:53:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA02940 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:52:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0ywB7l-0007gD-00; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:52:30 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:52:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Paulo Fragoso cc: Wes Peters , jer@jorsm.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Finger and getpwent In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Paulo Fragoso wrote: > > > A *somewhat* better solution is to use my nologin program, which logs > > > attempts to login to disabled accounts via syslog. You can retrieve > > > > Except that nologin just stops shell logins, not all password > > authentication. So POP, IMAP, some FTP, RADIUS, all suceed. Munging the > > password field is better. Attempts to access disabled accounts is logged > > as well, as will all incorrect passwords. > > > > Because this I can't use "nologin" shells. I'm using "*" in initial > password string insted "#" in the beginning of line. > > I would like in future to use "#" in the beginning of the line. Because > it's more visualy :-) It also has a very different effect. Munging the password field by adding a "*" simply disables all authentiction, but the user still exists. This means that mail is still received. If the user is commented out, the user ceases to exist, and mail bounces. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 13:39:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11180 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:39:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11154; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:39:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id WAA07018; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:34:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from semyam.dinoco.de (semyam.dinoco.de [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10824; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:43:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199807141043.MAA10824@semyam.dinoco.de> To: Brandon Lockhart cc: Jeremy Domingue , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, seggers@semyam.dinoco.de Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:14:16 EDT." Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:43:25 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Well, let's see. Linux is a clone of SYSV, and FreeBSD a clone of BSD, is > that major enough for you? Possibly different devices, different FS, Linux has no connection to System V source so clone is OK. But FreeBSD is based on 4.4BSD-Lite code so I think the term "clone" is not appropriate here. Stefan. -- Stefan Eggers Lu4 yao2 zhi1 ma3 li4, Max-Slevogt-Str. 1 ri4 jiu3 jian4 ren2 xin1. 51109 Koeln Federal Republic of Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 14:50:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19575 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:50:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from joshua.enteract.com (joshua.enteract.com [207.229.129.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA19548 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:50:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djhoward@joshua.enteract.com) Received: (qmail 13344 invoked by uid 1032); 14 Jul 1998 21:50:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19980714165023.G6511@enteract.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:50:23 -0500 From: dannyman To: Stefan Eggers , Brandon Lockhart Cc: Jeremy Domingue , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD Mail-Followup-To: Stefan Eggers , Brandon Lockhart , Jeremy Domingue , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199807141043.MAA10824@semyam.dinoco.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199807141043.MAA10824@semyam.dinoco.de>; from Stefan Eggers on Tue, Jul 14, 1998 at 12:43:25PM +0200 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 14, 1998 at 12:43:25PM +0200, Stefan Eggers wrote: > > Well, let's see. Linux is a clone of SYSV, and FreeBSD a clone of BSD, is > > that major enough for you? Possibly different devices, different FS, > > Linux has no connection to System V source so clone is OK. But > FreeBSD is based on 4.4BSD-Lite code so I think the term "clone" is > not appropriate here. Actually, clone would be more appropriate for BSD, as they're sharing the same genetic code, whereas Linux is an approximation based on SysV. ;) Semantics ... of course the dict command is ever insightful; 3 definitions found >From WordNet (r) 1.6 [wn]: clone n : a group of genetically identical cells or organisms derived from a single cell or individual by some kind of asexual reproduction [syn: {clon}] v : make a clone of >From Jargon File (4.0.0/24 July 1996) [jargon]: clone /n./ 1. An exact duplicate: "Our product is a clone of their product." Implies a legal reimplementation from documentation or by reverse-engineering. Also connotes lower price. 2. A shoddy, spurious copy: "Their product is a clone of our product." 3. A blatant ripoff, most likely violating copyright, patent, or trade secret protections: "Your product is a clone of my product." This use implies legal action is pending. 4. `PC clone:' a PC-BUS/ISA or EISA-compatible 80x86-based microcomputer (this use is sometimes spelled `klone' or `PClone'). These invariably have much more bang for the buck than the IBM archetypes they resemble. 5. In the construction `Unix clone': An OS designed to deliver a Unix-lookalike environment without Unix license fees, or with additional `mission-critical' features such as support for real-time programming. 6. /v./ To make an exact copy of something. "Let me clone that" might mean "I want to borrow that paper so I can make a photocopy" or "Let me get a copy of that file before you {mung} it". >From The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (15Feb98) [foldoc]: clone 1. An exact duplicate: "Our product is a clone of their product." Implies a legal reimplementation from documentation or by reverse-engineering. Also connotes lower price. 2. A shoddy, spurious copy: "Their product is a clone of our product." 3. A blatant ripoff, most likely violating copyright, patent, or trade secret protections: "Your product is a clone of my product." This use implies legal action is pending. 4. "PC clone:" a PC-BUS/{ISA} or {EISA}-compatible 80x86-based microcomputer (this use is sometimes spelled "klone" or "PClone"). These invariably have much more bang per buck than the {IBM} archetypes they resemble. 5. In the construction "Unix clone": An {operating system} designed to deliver a {Unix}-like environment without Unix licence fees or with additional "mission-critical" features such as support for {real-time} programming. 6. A {clonebot}. (16 Dec 1994) -- // dannyman yori aiokomete || Our Honored Symbol deserves \\/ http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ || an Honorable Retirement (UIUC) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 14:56:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20653 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:56:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sussie.datadesign.se (ns.datadesign.se [194.23.109.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20642 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:56:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaj@interbizz.se) Received: from localhost (sussie.datadesign.se [194.23.109.130]) by sussie.datadesign.se (8.8.5/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA06460; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:55:11 +0200 (MET DST) To: tom@uniserve.com Cc: paulo@nlink.com.br, wes@softweyr.com, jer@jorsm.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: kaj@interbizz.se Subject: Re: Finger and getpwent From: Rasmus Kaj In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:52:27 -0700 (PDT)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.92.4 on XEmacs 20.4 (Emerald) X-URL: http://www.e.kth.se/~kaj/ X-Phone: +46 (0)8 - 692 35 09 / +46 (0)70 640 49 14 X-Attribution: Kaj X-Face: M9cR~WYav<"fu%MaslX0`43PAYY?uIsM8[#E(0\Xuy9rj>4gE\h3jm.7DD?]R8*^7T\o&vT U@[53Dwkuup4[0@gw#~kyu>`unH?kVj9CJa02(h>Ki\+i=%rn%sDf^KC.!?IHkKjMAbkd\jgmphp^' d|Q;OeXEAhq?ybGqOs1CHb6TJT42'C`Krnk61//AOfXtNjj/t'`5>Vw0QX!dKfOL$.f+S"LIuwR<;I Z0Qnnx(F^F]o@*V%TUtEV'1Z[TkOl^FFV9Z~A[b19%}uP*,huCU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980714235508I.kaj@interbizz.se> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:55:08 +0200 X-Dispatcher: imput version 971024 Lines: 33 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "T" == Tom writes: T> On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Paulo Fragoso wrote: >> I would like in future to use "#" in the beginning of the >> line. Because it's more visualy :-) T> It also has a very different effect. Munging the password field T> by adding a "*" simply disables all authentiction, but the user T> still exists. This means that mail is still received. If the T> user is commented out, the user ceases to exist, and mail bounces. ... But it would be nice to still se the user-name (rather than the number) in `ls -l` ... This is probably minor, though. But anyway ... Having lookups fail and reverse lookups success would do it ... Is this a security hole? A user who cant find 'sam' would be able to check all id's (0, 1, 2 ... 65535) and see if one returns 'sam' ... Does this matter? Is it a security flaw? Few network services (some file systems, no more afaik) go by the numeric user Id -- and those don't care at all for the name. What happens if user #4711 on a remote system makes a file on my NFS server, which has him commented out? The file will be, if he can find a directory he (his group or all) can write to. On the other hand, that is true if that user is entirely removed from my /etc/password entirely as well, and certainly if he's 'disabled by password' ... // Rasmus -- kaj@cityonline.se --------------- Rasmus Kaj - http://www.e.kth.se/~kaj/ \ CityOnLine IB Production AB - http://www.CityOnLine.se/ \---------------------- Never try to outstubborn a cat -- Lazarus Long To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 16:21:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00626 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:21:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unagi.cybernothing.org (unagi.cybernothing.org [209.133.38.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00621 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:21:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdfalk@unagi.cybernothing.org) Received: (from jdfalk@localhost) by unagi.cybernothing.org (8.8.8/8.8.8/9804.17/JDF) id QAA10446; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980714162128.34653@cybernothing.org> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:21:28 -0700 From: "J.D. Falk" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: New list? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 X-Editor: nvi X-Comment: Stop e-mail spam for good! http://www.cauce.org/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm on the freebsd-stable list to watch for actual problems that would keep me from installing the newest sources, but unfortunately most of it seems to be barely-on-topic chatting and arguing and other noise. Would it be possible to start a list specifically for known problems with the current -STABLE code, perhaps announce-style so that only FreeBSD developers with clue can post to it? ---------========== J.D. Falk =========--------- | "I, Foo Bar, leader of the Usenet High Council and lord of all I | | survey, do hereby order you to destroy any trace of the user Spam | | Baz, hereafter to be referred to as 'pud.'" -- Paul Phillips | ----========== http://www.cybernothing.org/jdfalk/home.html ==========---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 17:00:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06038 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:00:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from engulf.net (engulf.com [207.96.124.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06002; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:00:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brandon@engulf.net) Received: from localhost (brandon@localhost) by engulf.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA17431; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:56:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Lockhart To: David Greenman cc: Jeremy Domingue , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199807141511.IAA18210@implode.root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What are you talking about, I was talking about for a HIGHLY used server, as in, more then cdrom.com, and I was talking about a REAL server, not a PC supped up. I am talking about a rack mount server, a REAL server. Which in case you where out of the loop, most REAL servers use RISC. On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, David Greenman wrote: :>First of all, I do not recommend Gateway 2k for server's. Get a COMPAQ or :>HP or SUN. RISC is the way to go. : : It's a good thing that we (the FreeBSD developers) don't believe this else :several of the largest servers on the Internet wouldn't be running FreeBSD. :...but of course we think otherwise. FreeBSD makes an excellent server :platform and most PCs, despite their warts, work just fine in this application. : :-DG : :David Greenman :Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project : ,-----------------------------------------------------------------. | //// "Anything I say represents only my opinion." | | (o o) / | | ,---ooO--(_)--Ooo---------------------------------------------, | | | BRANDON LOCKHART | | | `-------------------------------------------------------------' | | brandon.lockhart@usinternetworking.com brandon@engulf.net | | Work: (410) 897-4551 Pager: (888) xxx-xxxx | `-----------------------------------------------------------------' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 17:22:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09121 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:22:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09102; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:22:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA25013; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807150022.RAA25013@implode.root.com> To: Brandon Lockhart cc: Jeremy Domingue , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:56:28 EDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:22:24 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >What are you talking about, I was talking about for a HIGHLY used server, >as in, more then cdrom.com, ...and yahoo.com, and hotmail.com (and countless thousands of other "HIGHLY used" Internet servers)...you mean, like those servers? > and I was talking about a REAL server, not a >PC supped up. I am talking about a rack mount server, a REAL server. ftp.cdrom.com and www.cdrom.com are rack mounted, but that has nothing to do with them being "REAL" servers or not. If your definition of a "REAL" server is one that doesn't contain an Intel CPU, then that's fine, but is nothing more than your opinion and has little to do with the reality of the world. >Which in case you where out of the loop, most REAL servers use RISC. No, they don't. Most servers in the world - be them corporate-internal or Internet, are PCs running, unfortunately, Windows/NT. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 17:34:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11352 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:34:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ixion.honeywell.com (ixion.honeywell.com [129.30.4.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11236; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:34:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sleas@ixion.honeywell.com) Received: from localhost by ixion.honeywell.com with SMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA028882727; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:32:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:32:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Shawn Leas To: Brandon Lockhart Cc: David Greenman , Jeremy Domingue , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Clinton-Hdr4: test header4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Maybe you need to look into VLIW, IMHO the future of architecture. Very Long Instruction Word... You know how fixed lengh RISC instructions are easily pipelined? Well, VLIW is pipelined at compile time... Of course, non of this to my knowledge is in production anywhere, so a moot point.. Thought I'd mention it though, as it's fun stuff. -Shawn <=========== America Held Hostage ===========> Day 2001 for the poor and the middle class. Day 2020 for the rich and the dead. 921 days remaining in the Raw Deal. <============================================> On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Brandon Lockhart wrote: > What are you talking about, I was talking about for a HIGHLY used server, > as in, more then cdrom.com, and I was talking about a REAL server, not a > PC supped up. I am talking about a rack mount server, a REAL server. > Which in case you where out of the loop, most REAL servers use RISC. > > > On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, David Greenman wrote: > > :>First of all, I do not recommend Gateway 2k for server's. Get a COMPAQ or > :>HP or SUN. RISC is the way to go. > : > : It's a good thing that we (the FreeBSD developers) don't believe this else > :several of the largest servers on the Internet wouldn't be running FreeBSD. > :...but of course we think otherwise. FreeBSD makes an excellent server > :platform and most PCs, despite their warts, work just fine in this application. > : > :-DG > : > :David Greenman > :Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > : > > > ,-----------------------------------------------------------------. > | //// "Anything I say represents only my opinion." | > | (o o) / | > | ,---ooO--(_)--Ooo---------------------------------------------, | > | | BRANDON LOCKHART | | > | `-------------------------------------------------------------' | > | brandon.lockhart@usinternetworking.com brandon@engulf.net | > | Work: (410) 897-4551 Pager: (888) xxx-xxxx | > `-----------------------------------------------------------------' > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 17:38:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12476 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:38:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA12452; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:38:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0ywFZq-0003zk-00; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:37:46 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:37:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Brandon Lockhart cc: David Greenman , Jeremy Domingue , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Brandon Lockhart wrote: > What are you talking about, I was talking about for a HIGHLY used server, > as in, more then cdrom.com, and I was talking about a REAL server, not a More than wcarchive.cdrom.com? Can you even name a server that does more traffic than wcarchive.cdrom.com? > PC supped up. I am talking about a rack mount server, a REAL server. cdrom.com is a rack mount server. > Which in case you where out of the loop, most REAL servers use RISC. Most servers are not risc. Period. See sales figures. Tom Systems Support Uniserve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 18:03:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16593 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:03:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lithium.elemental.org (lithium.elemental.org [204.91.240.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA16569; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:03:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daleg@lithium.elemental.org) Received: from localhost (daleg@localhost) by lithium.elemental.org (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA16143; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:57:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:57:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Dale Ghent Reply-To: Dale Ghent To: Tom cc: Brandon Lockhart , David Greenman , Jeremy Domingue , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-President-Clinton: On Crack X-LART: Homelite Chainsaw MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Tom wrote: | > PC supped up. I am talking about a rack mount server, a REAL server. | | cdrom.com is a rack mount server. ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/archive-info/wcarchive.jpg -Dale G. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 18:16:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19407 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:16:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cowpie.acm.vt.edu (cowpie.acm.vt.edu [128.173.42.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19402 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:16:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stevet@cowpie.acm.vt.edu) Received: (from stevet@localhost) by cowpie.acm.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23397; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:13:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from stevet) Message-ID: <19980714211352.64141@cowpie.acm.vt.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:13:52 -0400 From: Steve Thompson To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 2.2 stable compile problems Reply-To: stevet@vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id SAA19403 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After awhile away from system admin updating, I decided it was time to build a new kernel (and eventually world). I cvsup RELENG_2_2 every week, so I figured it would work well enough. The configure works fine with one exception: Unknown % construct in generic makefile: %VERSREQ= 220000 And the compile of the kernel works great until it attempts to load. It then gives me a whole bunch of undefined symbol errors: isa.o: Undefined symbol isa_devtab_cam' referenced from text segment I am not a kernel hacker (I would probably be using current if I was :), so I am at a loss to figure out where this is going wrong. This happened after I forced a cvsup, in fact I purged my src tree and supped it up again today with the same result. This is the generic kernel as well. Any pointers? -Steve Thompson -- Stephen C. Thompson stevet@vt.edu ICQ: 6921299 http://www.acm.vt.edu/~stevet Dark Pawns: pawns.guru.org 4000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 18:20:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20291 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:20:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from titan.os.com (titan.os.com [209.113.221.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA20266; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:20:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from craigs@os.com) Received: from theranch [209.113.221.235] by titan.os.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A444A3A012A; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:22:12 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980714211810.007c2a40@titan.os.com> X-Sender: craigs@titan.os.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:18:10 -0400 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Craig Shrimpton Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199807141511.IAA18210@implode.root.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 07:56 PM 7/14/98 -0400, Brandon Lockhart wrote: >What are you talking about, I was talking about for a HIGHLY used server, >as in, more then cdrom.com, and I was talking about a REAL server, not a >PC supped up. I am talking about a rack mount server, a REAL server. >Which in case you where out of the loop, most REAL servers use RISC. > I just logged in to cdrom.com and this is what it said: 220 wcarchive.cdrom.com FTP server (Version DG-3.1.11 Wed Jul 1 02:21:57 PDT 1998) ready. 331 Guest login ok, send your email address as password. 230-Welcome to wcarchive - home FTP site for Walnut Creek CDROM. 230-There are currently 2552 users out of 3200 possible. If 2552 users downloading files simultaneously isn't a "heavily" used server, I don't know what is. As for the statement that real servers are RISC, I'd file that along with "Blonds have more fun" and "Fat people are naturally jolly." A real server is one that works and hopefully, makes you money. -Craig To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 18:42:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22849 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:42:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22841; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:41:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199807150141.SAA22841@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: New list? In-Reply-To: <19980714162128.34653@cybernothing.org> from "J.D. Falk" at "Jul 14, 98 04:21:28 pm" To: jdfalk@cybernothing.org (J.D. Falk) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG J.D. Falk wrote: > I'm on the freebsd-stable list to watch for actual problems > that would keep me from installing the newest sources, but > unfortunately most of it seems to be barely-on-topic chatting > and arguing and other noise. > > Would it be possible to start a list specifically for known > problems with the current -STABLE code, perhaps announce-style > so that only FreeBSD developers with clue can post to it? people do stray from time to time. thats one of the problems of having people on the lists....they make a mess from time to time. announce is moderated. i dont with to start that on other lists as well. community needs communication. all of you please get back on charter. harrumph! ;) jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--The Power to Serve JMB193 http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 19:16:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA26660 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:16:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coal.sentex.ca (coal.sentex.ca [209.112.4.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA26654 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:16:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from gravel (ospf-mdt.sentex.net [205.211.164.81]) by coal.sentex.ca (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA05459; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:16:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980714221553.00fe3100@sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@sentex.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:15:53 -0400 To: stevet@vt.edu, stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: 2.2 stable compile problems In-Reply-To: <19980714211352.64141@cowpie.acm.vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 09:13 PM 7/14/98 -0400, Steve Thompson wrote: >After awhile away from system admin updating, I decided it was time to build >a new kernel (and eventually world). I cvsup RELENG_2_2 every week, so I >figured it would work well enough. The configure works fine with one >exception: Did you just try and rebuild your kernel ? Or did you rebuild world first ? >Unknown % construct in generic makefile: %VERSREQ= 220000 It sounds like you didnt build world first. You should do this before building a new kernel. ********************************************************************** Mike Tancsa (mike@sentex.net) * To do is to be -- Nietzsche Sentex Communications Corp, * To be is to do -- Sartre Cambridge, Ontario * Do be do be do -- Sinatra (http://www.sentex.net/~mdtancsa) * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 19:48:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA00363 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:48:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from buffy.tpgi.com.au (buffy.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA00356 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:48:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eirvine@tpgi.com.au) Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by buffy.tpgi.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA30473; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:50:01 +1000 Received: from tar-ppp-164.tpgi.com.au(203.26.26.164), claiming to be "gretchen" via SMTP by buffy.tpgi.com.au, id smtpda30401; Wed Jul 15 12:49:54 1998 From: "Eddie Irvine" To: , Subject: Re: 2.2 stable compile problems Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:49:00 +1000 Message-ID: <01bdaf9b$1edaf660$a41a1acb@gretchen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve wrote: > >Unknown % construct in generic makefile: %VERSREQ= 220000 > >And the compile of the kernel works great until it attempts to >load. It then gives me a whole bunch of undefined symbol errors: > >isa.o: Undefined symbol isa_devtab_cam' referenced from text segment Same problem here. I went into /usr/src/usr.sbin/config and remade config. Had to use the "find" command to locate the new config executable, then copied it into /usr/sbin. This assumes you are cvsupping the entire source tree, of course, to get the latest source for config. Worked fine after that (from STABLE two days ago) Eddie. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 20:40:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06528 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:40:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA06521 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:40:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0ywIQ9-0003mI-00; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:39:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:39:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Steve Thompson cc: Subject: Re: 2.2 stable compile problems In-Reply-To: <19980714211352.64141@cowpie.acm.vt.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Steve Thompson wrote: > After awhile away from system admin updating, I decided it was time to build > a new kernel (and eventually world). I cvsup RELENG_2_2 every week, so I Wrong order actually. Buildworld first, then the kernel, then reboot. > figured it would work well enough. The configure works fine with one > exception: > > Unknown % construct in generic makefile: %VERSREQ= 220000 > > And the compile of the kernel works great until it attempts to > load. It then gives me a whole bunch of undefined symbol errors: > > isa.o: Undefined symbol isa_devtab_cam' referenced from text segment If you had built world first you would not see this. Basically "config" is out of date. You could force things a long by just rebuilding that and then building a kernel. But if you try to boot with this new kernel you run the risk of your old utils like ifconfig/route/mount etc not being able to talk to the new kernel and there your machine won't start properly. So avoid all that and buildworld first :) Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 21:33:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA13121 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:33:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA13114 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:33:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfieber@indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA06860; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:33:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:33:28 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: "J.D. Falk" cc: Subject: Re: New list? In-Reply-To: <19980714162128.34653@cybernothing.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, J.D. Falk wrote: > Would it be possible to start a list specifically for known > problems with the current -STABLE code, perhaps announce-style > so that only FreeBSD developers with clue can post to it? Well, when people run out of interesting bugs to talk about, they get bored and start chattering about other things...like the amazing performance benefits of rack-mounting your computer. I think most of the easy to fix things in -stable either have been fixed or are pretty non-essential. Some of the bigger problems, like NFS, are being attacked in 3.0 and the effort of bringing it back to 2.x is deemed too large considering the volunteer resources available. Basically, life in -stable land is blissfully dull at the moment. :) -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 22:40:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA21511 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:40:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.telstra.com.au (mail.telstra.com.au [192.148.160.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA21497 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:40:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from MRyan@VICMAIN.YPA.telstra.com.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.telstra.com.au (8.8.2/8.6.9) id PAA19337 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:39:45 +1000 (EST) Received: from mail-gw.fwall.telstra.com.au(192.148.147.16) via SMTP by mail.telstra.com.au, id smtpd018690; Wed Jul 15 15:37:59 1998 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail-gw.fwall.telstra.com.au (8.8.2/8.6.9) id PAA06778 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:37:56 +1000 (EST) Received: from cdn-mail.dn.itg.telecom.com.au(144.135.109.134) via SMTP by mail-gw.fwall.telstra.com.au, id smtpd006633; Wed Jul 15 15:37:20 1998 Received: from ypmail.nds.telecom.com.au (ypmail.nds.telecom.com.au [172.136.8.3]) by cdn-mail.dn.itg.telecom.com.au (8.8.2/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA24713 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:37:19 +1000 (EST) Received: by ypmail.nds.telecom.com.au with Microsoft Mail id <35AC4003@ypmail.nds.telecom.com.au>; Wed, 15 Jul 98 15:37:07 EST From: "Ryan, Martin" To: "'freebsd-stable'" Subject: Re: New List? Date: Wed, 15 Jul 98 15:36:00 EST Message-ID: <35AC4003@ypmail.nds.telecom.com.au> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm on the freebsd-stable list to watch for actual problems that would keep me from installing the newest sources, but unfortunately most of it seems to be barely-on-topic chatting and arguing and other noise. Barely on topic? Yes. Noise? Well it depends on your definition. Recent discussions about the best 100Mb/s cards and the not-so-subtle differences between a '*' in the password file vs a '#', I, and I'm sure many others have found very useful. Would it be possible to start a list specifically for known problems with the current -STABLE code, perhaps announce-style so that only FreeBSD developers with clue can post to it? Surely this is where that stuff belongs but it would be a great pity for us mere unix mortals to lose the "noise." Perhaps there should be a FreeBSD-admins list? Cheers, Martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 23:17:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA26243 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:17:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terror.hungry.com (qmailr@terror.hungry.com [199.181.107.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA26238 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:17:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fn@hungry.com) Received: (qmail 16683 invoked by uid 507); 15 Jul 1998 06:17:39 -0000 To: Subject: Re: New List? References: <35AC4003@ypmail.nds.telecom.com.au> From: Faried Nawaz Date: 14 Jul 1998 23:17:39 -0700 In-Reply-To: MRyan@VICMAIN.YPA.telstra.com.au's message of 14 Jul 1998 22:48:38 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/XEmacs 19.16 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG MRyan@VICMAIN.YPA.telstra.com.au (Ryan, Martin) writes: Barely on topic? Yes. Noise? Well it depends on your definition. Recent discussions about the best 100Mb/s cards and the not-so-subtle differences between a '*' in the password file vs a '#', I, and I'm sure many others have found very useful. Personally, I think the '*' vs '#' discussion was a newbie sysadmin issue, not a -stable issue. Surely this is where that stuff belongs but it would be a great pity for us mere unix mortals to lose the "noise." Perhaps there should be a FreeBSD-admins list? There's freebsd-isp. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 14 23:53:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02714 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:53:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from livedev.livesystems.com (livedev.livesystems.com [204.134.10.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA02707 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:53:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom.chappell@industryfigure.com) Received: from livesun (207.38.7.131) by livedev.livesystems.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; 15 Jul 1998 00:53:29 -0600 From: "Tom Chappell" To: "'freebsd-stable'" Subject: RE: New List? Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:53:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bdafbd$38db0740$830726cf@livesun.livesystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <35AC4003@ypmail.nds.telecom.com.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Geez, isn't there already a "questions" list, for the off-topic noise? -TC > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Ryan, Martin > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 1:36 PM > To: 'freebsd-stable' > Subject: Re: New List? > > > > I'm on the freebsd-stable list to watch for actual problems > that would keep me from installing the newest sources, but > unfortunately most of it seems to be barely-on-topic chatting > and arguing and other noise. > > Barely on topic? Yes. Noise? Well it depends on your definition. > Recent > discussions about the best 100Mb/s cards and the not-so-subtle > differences > between a '*' in the password file vs a '#', I, and I'm sure > many others > have > found very useful. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 02:32:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA20257 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:32:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from johnny.syd.speednet.com.au (johnny.syd.speednet.com.au [202.135.206.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA20252 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:32:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Received: from speednet.com.au (af.speednet.com.au [202.135.206.244]) by johnny.syd.speednet.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11575 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:31:55 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Message-ID: <35AC7709.B6D1FC8D@speednet.com.au> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:31:53 +1000 From: Andy Farkas Organization: Speed Internet Sevices X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Subject: Re: New list? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Fieber wrote: > > On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, J.D. Falk wrote: > > > Would it be possible to start a list specifically for known > > problems with the current -STABLE code, perhaps announce-style > > so that only FreeBSD developers with clue can post to it? > > Well, when people run out of interesting bugs to talk about, they > get bored and start chattering about other things...like the > amazing performance benefits of rack-mounting your computer. > :-) I think we should all concentrate on resolving Problem Report bin/7258 -- :{ andyf@speednet.com.au Andy Farkas System Administrator Speed Internet Services http://www.speednet.com.au/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 02:52:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA22750 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:52:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colossus.dyn.ml.org (dburr@206-18-115-116.la.inreach.net [206.18.115.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA22742 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:52:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id CAA25842; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:52:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199807140513.XAA13051@obie.softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Computer Help From: Donald Burr To: Wes Peters Subject: Re: Finger and getpwent Cc: tom@uniserve.com, jer@jorsm.com, paulo@nlink.com.br Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My secret spy satellite informs me that on 14-Jul-98, Wes Peters wrote: > My hidden microphone recorded Jeremy Shaffner (jer@jorsm.com) saying: > A *somewhat* better solution is to use my nologin program, which logs > attempts to login to disabled accounts via syslog. You can retrieve > both from BTw, just wanted to let eveyrone know that I was bored and had a few minutes to kill, so I went ahead and made a port of this program (nologin). It can be found in the ports tree in the sysutils/ category. --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD - Turning PCs into Workstations - http://www.freebsd.org/ (NOTE: POBoxes.com appears to be working again -- fire away!) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 04:22:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA04456 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:22:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from beast.freibergnet.de (beast.freibergnet.de [194.123.255.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA04450 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:22:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mw@freibergnet.de) Received: from beast.freibergnet.de (localhost.FreibergNet.de [127.0.0.1]) by beast.freibergnet.de (8.8.5/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01230; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:22:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mw@freibergnet.de) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199807132159.WAA00347@fdy2.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:22:22 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: mw@freibergnet.de Organization: FreibergNet Liebscher & Partner Werbeagentur und XLink-PoP Freiberg From: Martin Welk To: Robert Swindells Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, jer@hughes.net, wes@softweyr.com Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 13-Jul-98 Robert Swindells wrote: () >> 2-4.1gb IBM SCSI hard drives () >I haven't seen any bitching about the IBM drives lately, so they're () >either working well or not very popular. I seem to recall several () >people mentioning them late last year, so maybe they're working () >well? () () They're working well. So far, I can only confirm that. We have two DCAS 4330 running in an 68k Mac and a PowerMac clone, another two running in an HP Netserver and another no-name PC with FreeBSD, and the Wide-SCSI variant, one running in a Windows 95 (sorry) machine and two running in another FreeBSD server. WeŽre going to receive three other machines with the non-wide version next week, two of them also be used with FreeBSD... (non-wide because of the cabling/termination problem with non-wide internal devices and the fact, that we really want to connect external devices to that machines.) Regards, Martin -- Liebscher & Partner Werbeagentur GbR // Martin Welk Advertising, Art Design & DTP // network administration Xlink Point Of Presence Freiberg // phone: (+49|0) 3731 781-387 Am St. Niclas Schacht 13 // fax: (+49|0) 3731 781-377 D-09599 Freiberg, Germany // http://www.freibergnet.de/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 06:16:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15797 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 06:16:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from adsight.com (adsight.com [207.86.2.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA15792 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 06:16:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from webadmin@adsight.com) Received: from localhost (webadmin@localhost) by adsight.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA00597 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:18:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Magee To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PPPD + Mgetty stopped working Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After a recent cvsup to stable (July 3rd) my dialin modem using Mgetty + pppd stopped working. Users get an "authorization failed" message. It's been working fine for over a year through several stable upgrades. Anybody else having this problem? I tried a newer mgetty (1.1.14) and in the logs, the user is always a string of garbage, so I went back to mgetty-1.0. If I set auth to noauth, then it works, but of course I don't want to do that. Sam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 07:08:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA22010 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:08:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA22004 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:08:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from obie.softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA15645; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:07:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:07:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199807151407.IAA15645@obie.softweyr.com> Subject: Re: Finger and getpwent From: Wes Peters To: tom@uniserve.com Cc: paulo@nlink.com.br, jer@jorsm.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: Wes Peters In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: BeatWare Mail-It 1.6 X-BeOS-Platform: Intel or clone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id HAA22006 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My hidden microphone recorded Tom (tom@uniserve.com) saying: % % On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Wes Peters wrote: % % > A *somewhat* better solution is to use my nologin program, which logs % > attempts to login to disabled accounts via syslog. You can retrieve % % Except that nologin just stops shell logins, not all password % authentication. So POP, IMAP, some FTP, RADIUS, all suceed. Munging the % password field is better. Attempts to access disabled accounts is logged % as well, as will all incorrect passwords. These daemons should all be FIXED to not allow logins if the shell isn't in /etc/shells. ftpd and wu-ftpd already do this; if the others don't, we should ask the port maintainers to "fix" them for us. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 07:20:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23360 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:20:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nexus.astro.psu.edu (nexus.astro.psu.edu [128.118.147.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA23347 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:20:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mph@astro.psu.edu) Received: from mstar.astro.psu.edu by nexus.astro.psu.edu (4.1/Nexus-1.3) id AA14991; Wed, 15 Jul 98 10:19:48 EDT Received: by mstar.astro.psu.edu (SMI-8.6/Client-1.3) id KAA27097; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:19:44 -0400 Message-Id: <19980715101943.A27075@mstar.astro.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:19:43 -0400 From: Matthew Hunt To: Wes Peters , tom@uniserve.com Cc: paulo@nlink.com.br, jer@jorsm.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Finger and getpwent Mail-Followup-To: Wes Peters , tom@uniserve.com, paulo@nlink.com.br, jer@jorsm.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199807151407.IAA15645@obie.softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199807151407.IAA15645@obie.softweyr.com>; from Wes Peters on Wed, Jul 15, 1998 at 08:07:59AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 15, 1998 at 08:07:59AM -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > % Except that nologin just stops shell logins, not all password > % authentication. So POP, IMAP, some FTP, RADIUS, all suceed. Munging the > % password field is better. Attempts to access disabled accounts is logged > % as well, as will all incorrect passwords. > > These daemons should all be FIXED to not allow logins if the shell isn't > in /etc/shells. ftpd and wu-ftpd already do this; if the others don't, > we should ask the port maintainers to "fix" them for us. ;^) I would find it surprising if an invalid shell prevented users from using POP or IMAP. Disallowing shell logins and ftp while allowing mail retrieval seems like a very common configuration; how would you propose to setup a POP server if the POP daemon checked /etc/shells? -- Matthew Hunt * Stay close to the Vorlon. http://www.pobox.com/~mph/pgp.key for PGP public key 0x67203349. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 08:07:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA29171 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:07:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.111.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA29154 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:07:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at) Received: from markab (markab.dbai.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.111.33]) by vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA26899; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:06:18 +0200 (MET-DST) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:06:16 +0200 (MET DST) From: Gerald Pfeifer To: Matthew Hunt cc: Wes Peters , tom@uniserve.com, paulo@nlink.com.br, jer@jorsm.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Finger and getpwent In-Reply-To: <19980715101943.A27075@mstar.astro.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Matthew Hunt wrote: > I would find it surprising if an invalid shell prevented users from > using POP or IMAP. Disallowing shell logins and ftp while allowing > mail retrieval seems like a very common configuration; how would you > propose to setup a POP server if the POP daemon checked /etc/shells? In principle you could set the shell to /usr/bin/yes (or any dummy shell) and add that to /etc/shells. Gerald -- Gerald Pfeifer (Jerry) Vienna University of Technology pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 08:52:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06351 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:52:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from br-inc.com (br-inc.com [207.86.84.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA06337 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:52:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from coyne@br-inc.com) Received: from mailman2.moinet.com ([155.191.23.247]) by br-inc.com via smtpd (for hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 15:52:26 UT Received: from ftw9vnssvr.moinet.com (ftw9vnssvr.moinet.com [155.191.17.98]) by br-inc.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA08300 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:11:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: by ftw9vnssvr.moinet.com with VINES-ISMTP; Mon, 13 Jul 98 15:11:53 CDT Date: Mon, 13 Jul 98 15:11:21 CDT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Paul Coyne" Reply-To: Subject: Re: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD X-Incognito-SN: 3019 X-Incognito-Version: 4.11.23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id IAA06343 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear disgruntled user... Based on current reliability of FreeBSD 2.2.x chain of releases, I am measuring uptime by YEARS, not months or days with reboots only required for corporate power downs or hardware changes... Kinda like a Timex watch... I think you will find it extremely solid, so long as your hardware is on the compatibility list. I run it on Compaq Deskpro 6000's as well as other generic machines, and the only problems I have encountered are due to hardware misconfiguration, not FreeBSD messing up. And if you aren't on a public network (and thereby not as concerned about security fixes) the 2.2.x-RELEASE versions work great... I would agree that it is easier to install than RedHat, but (and no offense anyone) the menuing system can be quirky. Kudos the the FreeBSD team.. Paul Coyne coyne@br-inc.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Original Message - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: "Wes Peters" Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD Date: 07/13/98ÿ14:15 Jeremy Domingue recently bemoaned: > I started using Linux (RedHat) a year ago. At first, I had a lot of problems > but I assumed that was simply because I was very unexperienced and had to go > through the normal learning curve that everyone does. About 8 months ago, I > got myself a brand new Gateway (ALR) Pentium II 266 server, and needless to > say I was completely excited. I thought that with this new hardware linux > was going to completely ROCK and fix some of the problems I was having with > my previous (clone) server. Obviously, since I am here now, it did not. > > Ever since I first installed Linux a year ago I have been going back and > forth from bug to bug, problem to problem, in a never ending battle of > trying to get my server to stay up any more than a week. I have been told > everything from "your hardware is bad" to "wait for the next version" to > "that's not supported" to "there are bugs in that code and someone needs to > fix it". Frankly, I am SICK of hearing this again and again! If I had some > piece of crap clone hardware, I could probably understand some of the issues > I have been having, but this is name brand (what I thought to be) quality > hardware! I have replaced almost every piece of hardware in that server > under the assumption it was bad and it has not helped one bit. You've expanded your mind enough to encompass Linux, and now FreeBSD, so hopefully you'll understand the follwoing as well: NAME BRAND does not mean QUALITY. The number of users on the FreeBSD lists over the years who have blamed various stupid prolblems on FreeBSD because they spent mega-$$$ on Gateway, Dell, Compaq, IBM, etc., systems is astonishing. My "piece of crap clone" 486 system has run each successive FreeBSD release since 2.0.5 since it was new, and generally is rebooted only to upgrade to a new kernel, or to insert or remove hardware. typical uptimes between reboots is about 2 months; I try ti keep this system relabitvely -STABLE, since it's my front door. ;^) Gateway is pretty well known for selling "the box of rocks du jour." If you order two identical systems from them, and don't specify every piece of hardware by name, you're likely to get two different video cards, two different hard drives, etc. It just depends on what is in the "bargain" parts bin when they assemble YOUR computer that day. > When I started out with my new Gateway server, it was just a plain Pentium > II 266 w/ 128mb of RAM. After googles of crashes, I thought, well, maybe it > just isn't enough server for the load. So, I proceeded to get a second PII > processor and upgraded to 512mb of RAM. More crashes, different errors, the > story of my life with Linux. I have tried the latest release and development > kernels, just about every patch I can find, and nothing works with it. It is > the most unstable computer I have ever used in my entrie life... and I run > an NT box as well (pretty sad the NT box stays up for months on end and I > can't even keep the linux box running a week). > > So, at this point, I am looking for a fresh start, something that will allow > the server to actually run a week or more without crashing. > > Finally, to my questions about FreeBSD: > > 1) First and foremost, I am wondering what issues I will face being a user > very accustomed to linux. I know there will be differences between linux and > FreeBSD, but can anyone outline some of the major ones? The configuration and installation is drastically different. I find FreeBSD easier to install, but it won't work with quite the range of hardware Linux will. Your hardware listed below looks pretty plain; I don't see anything off the top of my head that sets off alarm bells. There have been some comments lately about recent new releases of Adpatec controllers, but I think they mostly pertain to 7895 (?) controllers, rather than 7880. > 2) Is there a way I can install FreeBSD without losing all of the stuff on > the server right now such as user files, web pages, programs, etc? And > possibly keep linux on there somewhere in case I ever decide to go back? You can certainly leave Linux on a partition on your hard disk, and install FreeBSD on another disk or partition. The user files, etc., could be transferred to tape, disk, or another machine and brought back over using tar, cpio, dump/restore, etc. You'll find that many of the server applications are common to FreeBSD and Linux, i.e. Apache, wu-ftpd, etc. Some (or all) of your configuration *MAY* port straight over. Some parts that depend on filesystem paths may not port all that well. > 3) Is anyone using SMP on FreeBSD with an Adaptec 7880 on-board SCSI > controller? Linux people keep telling me that this is not a good > configuration for Linux... how about for FreeBSD? You won't find a discussion of SMP on the -current list, because SMP isn't in the -current release. You'll have to ask questions of this nature in the freebsd-current mailing list. > 4) I know that the current build of FreeBSD is listed as development and > should not be used in a mission critical environment, however, what are > people's experiences with it so far? If it seems to be fairly stable, I > would be willing to give it a shot... I really need the SMP support. If you're really interested in stability, use -STABLE, or the latest -RELEASE. If you really need SMP support, find a recent -CURRENT snapshot that is know to work pretty well and gamble on that. We don't have a -STABLE SMP yet, but the 3.0 release is screaming up on us. I'm waiting with baited breath, but I'm going to wait. For what I use FreeBSD, -STABLE is the best choice at any point. > 5) Are there any other problems or issues I may face with my hardware > configuration (listed below)? > > I would also be very interested in hearing from other previous (or current) > Linux users' experiences with FreeBSD, and what comments they may have about > the differences and advantages (especially stability-wise) to using FreeBSD > instead of Linux. I use OpenLinux 1.2 and RedHat 5.0 on Trashiba Equium desktops a bit, but mostly only for network testing. We have an IBM tokenring card in the RedHat box, so we can generate BIG packets with DF (IP don't fragment option) set. ;^) Both seem stable for the undemanding uses we put them to, but I certainly wouldn't want one of them on MY desk, which is inhabited by a SPARC-5 running Slowlaris and yet another Trashiba Equium running FreeBSD 2.2.6. At least it has a Pro/100 on board. ;^) > Hardware Configuration: > > Gateway (formerly ALR) NS-7000 Server Motherboard? Chipset? > Dual PII 266mhz > 512mb EDO ECC SDRAM (all from the same lot, same manufacturer) > Adaptec 7880 on-board SCSI controller > 3Com 10/100 Ethernet Card You may not find the best performance with a 3com card. The Intel EtherExpress Pro 100 (currenlty B or + models) is the favorite, with stellar throughput and easy configurability. You may want to acquire one. FreeBSD users have reported finding them in the mid-$40 range (in the continental USA). > 2-4.1gb IBM SCSI hard drives I haven't seen any bitching about the IBM drives lately, so they're either working well or not very popular. I seem to recall several people mentioning them late last year, so maybe they're working well? The best way to find if FreeBSD works on your hardware is to try it. Find some spare disk space, or another drive, throw FreeBSD on it, and beat on it for a week. If it looks good, transfer over the Linux files and be done with it. Good luck. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 08:57:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA07108 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:57:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nexus.astro.psu.edu (nexus.astro.psu.edu [128.118.147.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA07103 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:57:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mph@astro.psu.edu) Received: from mstar.astro.psu.edu by nexus.astro.psu.edu (4.1/Nexus-1.3) id AA15683; Wed, 15 Jul 98 11:55:42 EDT Received: by mstar.astro.psu.edu (SMI-8.6/Client-1.3) id LAA28202; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:55:37 -0400 Message-Id: <19980715115537.A28115@mstar.astro.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:55:37 -0400 From: Matthew Hunt To: Gerald Pfeifer Cc: Wes Peters , tom@uniserve.com, paulo@nlink.com.br, jer@jorsm.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Finger and getpwent Mail-Followup-To: Gerald Pfeifer , Wes Peters , tom@uniserve.com, paulo@nlink.com.br, jer@jorsm.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980715101943.A27075@mstar.astro.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Gerald Pfeifer on Wed, Jul 15, 1998 at 05:06:16PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 15, 1998 at 05:06:16PM +0200, Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > In principle you could set the shell to /usr/bin/yes (or any dummy shell) > and add that to /etc/shells. But then you are allowing FTP access, which you don't usually want to do. Depending on the particulars of your machine, the users could run arbitrary commands using .forward. I've always been under the impression that shell and FTP checking /etc/shells and mail services *not* doing so was a deliberate design decision, not an oversight. -- Matthew Hunt * Stay close to the Vorlon. http://www.pobox.com/~mph/pgp.key for PGP public key 0x67203349. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 09:20:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA10092 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:20:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from beatrice.rutgers.edu (beatrice.rutgers.edu [165.230.209.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA10087 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:20:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from easmith@beatrice.rutgers.edu) Received: (from easmith@localhost) by beatrice.rutgers.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id MAA26551; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:18:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Allen Smith" Message-Id: <9807151218.ZM26549@beatrice.rutgers.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:18:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: Matthew Hunt "Re: Finger and getpwent" (Jul 15, 11:55am) References: <19980715101943.A27075@mstar.astro.psu.edu> <19980715115537.A28115@mstar.astro.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: Matthew Hunt , Gerald Pfeifer Subject: Re: Finger and getpwent Cc: Wes Peters , tom@uniserve.com, paulo@nlink.com.br, jer@jorsm.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Jul 15, 11:55am, Matthew Hunt (possibly) wrote: > On Wed, Jul 15, 1998 at 05:06:16PM +0200, Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > But then you are allowing FTP access, which you don't usually want to > do. Depending on the particulars of your machine, the users could > run arbitrary commands using .forward. I'd point out sendmail's smrsh. -Allen -- Allen Smith easmith@beatrice.rutgers.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 10:07:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15003 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:07:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nexus.astro.psu.edu (nexus.astro.psu.edu [128.118.147.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA14998 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:07:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mph@astro.psu.edu) Received: from mstar.astro.psu.edu by nexus.astro.psu.edu (4.1/Nexus-1.3) id AA16093; Wed, 15 Jul 98 13:06:34 EDT Received: by mstar.astro.psu.edu (SMI-8.6/Client-1.3) id NAA28948; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:06:30 -0400 Message-Id: <19980715130630.A28943@mstar.astro.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:06:30 -0400 From: Matthew Hunt To: Allen Smith , Gerald Pfeifer Cc: Wes Peters , tom@uniserve.com, paulo@nlink.com.br, jer@jorsm.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Finger and getpwent Mail-Followup-To: Allen Smith , Gerald Pfeifer , Wes Peters , tom@uniserve.com, paulo@nlink.com.br, jer@jorsm.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980715101943.A27075@mstar.astro.psu.edu> <19980715115537.A28115@mstar.astro.psu.edu> <9807151218.ZM26549@beatrice.rutgers.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <9807151218.ZM26549@beatrice.rutgers.edu>; from Allen Smith on Wed, Jul 15, 1998 at 12:18:50PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 15, 1998 at 12:18:50PM -0400, Allen Smith wrote: > > But then you are allowing FTP access, which you don't usually want to > > do. Depending on the particulars of your machine, the users could > > run arbitrary commands using .forward. > > I'd point out sendmail's smrsh. Hence "Depending on the particulars of your machine". After all these years, though, I still think it's reasonable to expect invalid shells to prohibit shell and ftp, while not affecting POP, which is the crux of the issue. I think changing it now violates POLA. I also note that my keyboard has a bothersome property of lowercasing the letter "O" when in between other capital letters, which is causing me to type "POP" and "POLA" twice whenever they occur. :-) -- Matthew Hunt * Stay close to the Vorlon. http://www.pobox.com/~mph/pgp.key for PGP public key 0x67203349. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 10:12:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15757 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:12:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15750 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:12:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: from localhost (brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA06110; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:11:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Brooks Davis Reply-To: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net To: Matthew Hunt cc: Wes Peters , tom@uniserve.com, paulo@nlink.com.br, jer@jorsm.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Finger and getpwent In-Reply-To: <19980715101943.A27075@mstar.astro.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Matthew Hunt wrote: > I would find it surprising if an invalid shell prevented users from > using POP or IMAP. Disallowing shell logins and ftp while allowing > mail retrieval seems like a very common configuration; how would you > propose to setup a POP server if the POP daemon checked /etc/shells? That's a compile time option for qpopper. U-Washington IMAP doesn't seem to have one, which is kinda annoying. It's very useful in some environments since in may places, if you don't have shell we don't want you to have anything. I've even created an Apache module to require a valid shell to serve a web page so all we have to do to disable an account is change the shell. -- Brooks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 10:56:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA21608 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:56:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gate.ljis.ml.org (cyberworld.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA21584; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:56:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ljohnston@cyberworld.demon.co.uk) Received: (from ljohnston@localhost) by gate.ljis.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01171; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:55:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ljohnston) Message-ID: <19980715185522.B733@ljis.ml.org> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:55:22 +0100 From: Lee Johnston To: Brandon Lockhart , David Greenman Cc: Jeremy Domingue , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD References: <199807141511.IAA18210@implode.root.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Brandon Lockhart on Tue, Jul 14, 1998 at 07:56:28PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 14, 1998 at 07:56:28PM -0400, Brandon Lockhart wrote: > What are you talking about, I was talking about for a HIGHLY used server, > as in, more then cdrom.com, and I was talking about a REAL server, not a > PC supped up. I am talking about a rack mount server, a REAL server. > Which in case you where out of the loop, most REAL servers use RISC. More than ftp.cdrom.com? I thought ftp.cdrom.com was one of the busiest if not _THE_ busiest FTP Server on the Internet. What servers are you talking about? Lee. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 12:29:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06422 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:29:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06417 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:28:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from salomon.siemens.de (salomon.siemens.de [139.23.33.13]) by david.siemens.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA06273 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:27:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (daemon@curry.mchp.siemens.de [146.180.31.23]) by salomon.siemens.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA09150 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:28:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16238 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:28:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Andre Albsmeier Message-Id: <199807151928.VAA11425@internal> Subject: missing src-2.2.0797.gz To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:28:32 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, as the subject says: I am missing src-2.2.0797.gz. I didn't find it on a ftp server... Could someone mail it to me, please? Thanks a lot, -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 14:55:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22567 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:55:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU (morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU [129.78.25.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22552 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:55:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tonym@angis.usyd.edu.au) Received: (from tonym@localhost) by morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.6) id HAA28865; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:54:59 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:54:59 +1000 (EST) From: Tony Maher Message-Id: <199807152154.HAA28865@morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU> To: webadmin@adsight.com Subject: Re: PPPD + Mgetty stopped working Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > using Mgetty + pppd stopped working. Users get an "authorization > failed" message. It's been working fine for over a year through > several stable upgrades. Anybody else having this problem? I dont use mgetty but with the (recent) move to pppd v2.3.5 (was 2.2.0) changed pap-secrets from (using login auth) * * "" to * * "" * tonym ps I should make the last asterix the IP address but haven't had time to play with it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 15:22:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25476 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:22:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from myrddin.demon.co.uk (exim@myrddin.demon.co.uk [158.152.54.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25454; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:22:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dom@myrddin.demon.co.uk) Received: from dom by myrddin.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0ywLpN-0000MH-00; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:18:13 +0100 To: djv@bedford.net Cc: jer@hughes.net (Jeremy Domingue), current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD References: <199807132338.TAA02118@lucy.bedford.net> From: Dom Mitchell In-Reply-To: CyberPeasant's message of "Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:38:41 -0400 (EDT)" X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:18:13 +0100 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG CyberPeasant writes: > The BSD's behave much more like a commercial Unix: No they don't; they crash less often and have more features. -- ``If make doesn't do what you expect it to, it's a good chance the makefile is wrong.'' -- Adam de Boor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 15:48:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29431 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:48:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp.leopard.com (smtp.leopard.com [209.38.114.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29421 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:48:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from 187@leopard.com) Received: from aaron (secret.leopard.com [209.38.114.114]) by smtp.leopard.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA23984 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:59:45 -0600 Message-Id: <199807152259.QAA23984@smtp.leopard.com> X-Sender: zadonick@128.138.129.12 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:49:46 -0600 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: AAZ <187@leopard.com> Subject: help! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, I have been running freeBSD for about a 2 weeks now with no problem. Today I was just configuring some printer stuff and everything was working fine. Anyways, I rebooted the box and when it came back up it the console pompt said "freeBSD (Amnesiac)". During bootup the system got done fscking the main disk, turned on the swap partition (swapon) then began and spitting things out on the console in the form: [: not found [: not found Starting network daemons: [: not found [: not found bizarre. Need help please! thanks a ton. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 16:32:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05108 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:32:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA05097 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:32:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0ywb1p-0000zN-00; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:32:05 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:32:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: AAZ <187@leopard.com> cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: help! In-Reply-To: <199807152259.QAA23984@smtp.leopard.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, AAZ wrote: > Hi all, > I have been running freeBSD for about a 2 weeks now with no problem. Today > I was just configuring some printer stuff and everything was working fine. > Anyways, I rebooted the box and when it came back up it the console pompt > said "freeBSD (Amnesiac)". > > During bootup the system got done fscking the main disk, turned on the swap > partition (swapon) then began and spitting things out on the console in the > form: > [: not found > [: not found > Starting network daemons: [: not found > [: not found "[" is in (or should be) in /bin You probably have trashed or deleted your bin directory. Confirm it, and restore it from backups. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 17:03:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08757 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:03:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.double-barrel.be (root@mail.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08750 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:03:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mvergall@alpha.double-barrel.be) Received: from alpha.double-barrel.be (mvergall@ns.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.18]) by mail.double-barrel.be (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA26755; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:03:43 +0200 Received: from localhost (mvergall@localhost) by alpha.double-barrel.be (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA03378; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:57:04 +0200 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:57:04 +0200 (CEST) From: "Michael C. Vergallen" To: AAZ <187@leopard.com> cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: help! In-Reply-To: <199807152259.QAA23984@smtp.leopard.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I think you made a type during the config off the printer stuff. try pressing to have the console return to normal, and check your changes to the config for typos or entrys that contain non ascii chars. Michael --- Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, AAZ wrote: > Hi all, > I have been running freeBSD for about a 2 weeks now with no problem. Today > I was just configuring some printer stuff and everything was working fine. > Anyways, I rebooted the box and when it came back up it the console pompt > said "freeBSD (Amnesiac)". > > During bootup the system got done fscking the main disk, turned on the swap > partition (swapon) then began and spitting things out on the console in the > form: > [: not found > [: not found > Starting network daemons: [: not found > [: not found > > > bizarre. Need help please! > thanks a ton. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 17:09:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10133 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:09:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA10125; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:09:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0ywbbm-0004hw-00; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:09:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:09:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Dom Mitchell cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Dom Mitchell wrote: > CyberPeasant writes: > > The BSD's behave much more like a commercial Unix: > > No they don't; they crash less often and have more features. I don't know about crashing, but BSDs have less features than commercial features. There may be a corespondance between features and crashing. For example, FreeBSD doesn't have SMP in a release yet, nor things like clustering or multipath IO. > -- > ``If make doesn't do what you expect it to, it's a good chance the > makefile is wrong.'' -- Adam de Boor Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 17:12:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11127 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:12:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhost.iprg.nokia.com (mailhost.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.5.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11076 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:12:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@iprg.nokia.com) Received: from melkor.iprg.nokia.com (melkor.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.1.82]) by mailhost.iprg.nokia.com (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id RAA05730; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35AD452A.167EB0E7@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:11:22 -0700 From: Scott Sewall Organization: Nokia Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AAZ <187@leopard.com> CC: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: help! References: <199807152259.QAA23984@smtp.leopard.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As noted by tom@uniserve.com, a program named [ should be in /bin. This program is a link to /bin/test. No need to restore from backups. >From my system: % ls -li /bin/[ /bin/test 239 -r-xr-xr-x 2 bin bin 45056 Mar 24 17:51 /bin/[* 239 -r-xr-xr-x 2 bin bin 45056 Mar 24 17:51 /bin/test* If you have /bin/test then all you need to do is create the link for [. -- Scott AAZ wrote: > > Hi all, > I have been running freeBSD for about a 2 weeks now with no problem. Today > I was just configuring some printer stuff and everything was working fine. > Anyways, I rebooted the box and when it came back up it the console pompt > said "freeBSD (Amnesiac)". > > During bootup the system got done fscking the main disk, turned on the swap > partition (swapon) then began and spitting things out on the console in the > form: > [: not found > [: not found > Starting network daemons: [: not found > [: not found > > bizarre. Need help please! > thanks a ton. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 17:27:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12792 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:27:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp.leopard.com (smtp.leopard.com [209.38.114.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12773 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:27:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from 187@leopard.com) Received: from aaron (secret.leopard.com [209.38.114.114]) by smtp.leopard.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA26783; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:38:30 -0600 Message-Id: <199807160038.SAA26783@smtp.leopard.com> X-Sender: zadonick@128.138.129.12 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:28:30 -0600 To: Scott Sewall From: AAZ <187@leopard.com> Subject: Re: help! Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <35AD452A.167EB0E7@iprg.nokia.com> References: <199807152259.QAA23984@smtp.leopard.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, Thanks, I'm a newbie to this and yes that was the problem. I went to the 2nd cdrom, and found the [ binary. Brought the network up manually and moved it over. Rebooted and everything is A-OK. Now, can anyone explain to me what the function of the [ binary is? thanks a ton everyone. -aaz At 05:11 PM 7/15/98 -0700, Scott Sewall wrote: >As noted by tom@uniserve.com, a program named [ should be >in /bin. This program is a link to /bin/test. No need to >restore from backups. > >>From my system: > % ls -li /bin/[ /bin/test > 239 -r-xr-xr-x 2 bin bin 45056 Mar 24 17:51 /bin/[* > 239 -r-xr-xr-x 2 bin bin 45056 Mar 24 17:51 /bin/test* > >If you have /bin/test then all you need to do is create >the link for [. > >-- Scott > > > >AAZ wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> I have been running freeBSD for about a 2 weeks now with no problem. Today >> I was just configuring some printer stuff and everything was working fine. >> Anyways, I rebooted the box and when it came back up it the console pompt >> said "freeBSD (Amnesiac)". >> >> During bootup the system got done fscking the main disk, turned on the swap >> partition (swapon) then began and spitting things out on the console in the >> form: >> [: not found >> [: not found >> Starting network daemons: [: not found >> [: not found >> >> bizarre. Need help please! >> thanks a ton. >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 17:54:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15683 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:54:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from portwwwbus.tc.cc.va.us (portwwwbus.tc.cc.va.us [164.106.211.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15677 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:54:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djflow@portwwwbus.tc.cc.va.us) Received: from localhost (djflow@localhost) by portwwwbus.tc.cc.va.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA07961 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:51:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Derek Flowers To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Help with 2.2-980715-SNAP Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ---------------------------------------- Derek Flowers djflow@erols.com http://portwwwbus.tc.cc.va.us/~djflow "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -Bill Gates, circa 1981 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 17:57:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16270 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:57:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from geeklab.globalserve.net (geeklab.globalserve.net [209.90.144.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16259 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:57:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from philipp@globalserve.net) Received: from localhost (philipp@localhost) by geeklab.globalserve.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA25868; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:20:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: geeklab.globalserve.net: philipp owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:20:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Philipp To: AAZ <187@leopard.com> cc: Scott Sewall , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: help! In-Reply-To: <199807160038.SAA26783@smtp.leopard.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG it's a short form for test, that's why it's linked to test, when in a shell script you do the following if [ -f /var/run/program.pid ]; then echo "program already running, exit.."; exit 1 fi this is in it's long form written if test -f /var/run/program.pid; then echo "program .." .. fi Hope that helps, Peter Philipp (PP2441) Globalserve System Administration "How I wish you were here..." - Pink Floyd On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, AAZ wrote: > Hi all, > Thanks, I'm a newbie to this and yes that was the problem. I went to the > 2nd cdrom, and found the [ binary. Brought the network up manually and > moved it over. > Rebooted and everything is A-OK. Now, can anyone explain to me what the > function of the [ binary is? > > thanks a ton everyone. > -aaz > > At 05:11 PM 7/15/98 -0700, Scott Sewall wrote: > >As noted by tom@uniserve.com, a program named [ should be > >in /bin. This program is a link to /bin/test. No need to > >restore from backups. > > > >>From my system: > > % ls -li /bin/[ /bin/test > > 239 -r-xr-xr-x 2 bin bin 45056 Mar 24 17:51 /bin/[* > > 239 -r-xr-xr-x 2 bin bin 45056 Mar 24 17:51 /bin/test* > > > >If you have /bin/test then all you need to do is create > >the link for [. > > > >-- Scott > > > > > > > >AAZ wrote: > >> > >> Hi all, > >> I have been running freeBSD for about a 2 weeks now with no problem. Today > >> I was just configuring some printer stuff and everything was working fine. > >> Anyways, I rebooted the box and when it came back up it the console pompt > >> said "freeBSD (Amnesiac)". > >> > >> During bootup the system got done fscking the main disk, turned on the swap > >> partition (swapon) then began and spitting things out on the console in the > >> form: > >> [: not found > >> [: not found > >> Starting network daemons: [: not found > >> [: not found > >> > >> bizarre. Need help please! > >> thanks a ton. > >> > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 18:31:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21143 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:31:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (mailgw01.execpc.com [169.207.2.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21134 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:31:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from deaven@execpc.com) Received: from pop01.execpc.com (pop01.execpc.com [169.207.2.114]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.9.0) id UAA12778 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:31:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from execpc.com (minbar-2-66.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.135.194]) by pop01.execpc.com (8.8.8) id UAA28752 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:31:08 -0500 Message-ID: <35AD57D0.7BC05A43@execpc.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:30:57 -0500 From: David Deaven Organization: BruderKatzen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe deaven@execpc.com -- ------------------------------------- David Deaven deaven@execpc.com http://www.execpc.com/~deaven To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 18:56:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24023 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:56:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24017 for stable; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:56:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199807160156.SAA24017@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: DPT raid controllers To: stable Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:56:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG how's our support for DPT raid controllers. looking for people with DPT raid controllers in service. both success and horror stories welcome. a client wants to use one on a 2.2.6 box. jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 15 23:25:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21867 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:25:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.scitec.com.au (firewall-user@fgate.scitec.com.au [203.17.180.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21862 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:25:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john.saunders@scitec.com.au) Received: by firewall.scitec.com.au; id QAA05792; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:24:56 +1000 (EST) Received: from mailhub.scitec.com.au(203.17.180.131) by fgate.scitec.com.au via smap (3.2) id xma005783; Thu, 16 Jul 98 16:24:54 +1000 Received: from saruman (saruman.scitec.com.au [203.17.182.108]) by mailhub.scitec.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA15333 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:24:53 +1000 Message-ID: <08c601bdb082$71b81b50$6cb611cb@saruman.scitec.com.au> From: "John Saunders" To: "FreeBSD stable" Subject: Re: Finger and getpwent Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:24:53 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I've always been under the impression that shell and FTP checking >/etc/shells and mail services *not* doing so was a deliberate >design decision, not an oversight. Until something better is implemented there are good reasons for both sides. I have modified pppd, ftpd and qpopper to check for a valid shell. However if a valid shell is not found I made pppd check for "PPP", ftpd check for "FTP", and qpopper check for "POP" in the shell field using strstr(). So I can configure an account with a shell of "POP,FTP" to enable both those services but not shell logins. While this suits my system it's not entirely flexible, I can't provide shell access but not FTP access for example. What is needed is an addition system where the user has a list of service type attributes associated with them. Then each service would check the attributes to see if the user is allowed to access the service. e.g. a config file like... fred:shell ppp telnet joe:ppp pop mary:telnet pop ftp *:shell ppp Then a library call like checkaccess(char *user, char *service) I believe the early shadow password suite used on Linux started to have something similar but it didn't look completed when I last looked at it. I think PAM has superceeded shadow now anyway. Cheers. -- . +-------------------------------------------------------+ ,--_|\ | John Saunders mailto:John.Saunders@scitec.com.au | / Oz \ | SCITEC LIMITED Phone +61294289563 Fax +61294289933 | \_,--\_/ | "By the time you make ends meet, they move the ends." | v +-------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 16 00:48:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00957 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:48:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oslo.geco-prakla.slb.com (geos01.oslo.geco-prakla.slb.com [134.32.44.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00929; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:48:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from smoergrd@oslo.sl.slb.com) Received: from sunw110.oslo.Geco-Prakla.slb.com (sunw110 [192.23.231.54]) by oslo.geco-prakla.slb.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA21620 ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:46:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sunw110.oslo.Geco-Prakla.slb.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA14880; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:46:27 +0200 To: Lee Johnston Cc: Brandon Lockhart , David Greenman , Jeremy Domingue , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD References: <199807141511.IAA18210@implode.root.com> <19980715185522.B733@ljis.ml.org> Organization: Schlumberger Geco-Prakla X-Disclaimer: I speak only for myself. From: smoergrd@oslo.geco-prakla.slb.com (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 16 Jul 1998 09:46:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: Lee Johnston's message of Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:55:22 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Lee Johnston writes: > On Tue, Jul 14, 1998 at 07:56:28PM -0400, Brandon Lockhart wrote: > > What are you talking about, I was talking about for a HIGHLY used server, > > as in, more then cdrom.com, and I was talking about a REAL server, not a > > PC supped up. I am talking about a rack mount server, a REAL server. > > Which in case you where out of the loop, most REAL servers use RISC. > More than ftp.cdrom.com? I thought ftp.cdrom.com was one of the busiest > if not _THE_ busiest FTP Server on the Internet. What servers are you > talking about? Aw shucks, the guy's just one big fscking troll. Ignore him. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - smoergrd@oslo.geco-prakla.slb.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 16 01:39:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA09805 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:39:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from atlas.iexpress.net.au (atlas.iexpress.net.au [203.38.34.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA09786; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:39:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikey@iexpress.net.au) Received: from localhost (mikey@localhost) by atlas.iexpress.net.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA22520; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:38:01 +0800 (WST) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:38:01 +0800 (WST) From: Michael Slater To: Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav cc: Lee Johnston , Brandon Lockhart , David Greenman , Jeremy Domingue , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id BAA09787 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 16 Jul 1998, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > Lee Johnston writes: > > On Tue, Jul 14, 1998 at 07:56:28PM -0400, Brandon Lockhart wrote: > > > What are you talking about, I was talking about for a HIGHLY used server, > > > as in, more then cdrom.com, and I was talking about a REAL server, not a > > > PC supped up. I am talking about a rack mount server, a REAL server. If it's mounted in a rack it must be REAL.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 16 04:28:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA26596 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 04:28:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from IAEhv.nl (root@iaehv.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA26589; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 04:28:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjw@surf.IAE.nl) Received: from surf.IAE.nl (root@surf.IAEhv.nl [194.151.66.2]) by IAEhv.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA26096; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:28:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wjw@localhost) by surf.IAE.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA12665; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:28:41 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:28:41 +0200 (MET DST) From: Willem Jan Withagen Message-Id: <199807161128.NAA12665@surf.IAE.nl> To: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DPT raid controllers X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd.stable In-Reply-To: <199807160156.SAA24017@hub.freebsd.org> Organization: Internet Access Eindhoven, the Netherlands Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <199807160156.SAA24017@hub.freebsd.org> you write: > > how's our support for DPT raid controllers. > looking for people with DPT raid controllers in service. > both success and horror stories welcome. > > a client wants to use one on a 2.2.6 box. Hi, Might be a beter question on scsi-freebsd?? I'm using one at home at testsystem to be used at work. We would then go for enhance availability on most systems (RAID-5). And large disks for our news server (RAID-0) Haven't had problems with it as long as I didn't start experimenting. I have the DPT3334UW with 32 Mb RAM, running firmware 7L0. Normally it works with 4*2Gb narrow disks: 3 for raid 5, 1 hotswap. It's is a seperate shoebox with 4 feet of narrow cable. The DPT makes a narrow outlet with a wide->narrow converter (comes with the controller) into a rear-bracket with sub-db 50 connector. Currenlty is also has 7 4Gb-UW, IBM's connected to do some extra testing. But that seems to hang the chain once in a while. But then I have the same trouble hanging the 7 disks from a 2940UW. I've been trying to grasp the problem with the help of Simon Shapiro. Probably it'll boil down to to cheap-a-hardware, cabinet, cables, .... My major problem is the lack of tools to monitor/control the RAID from FreeBSD. You'd have to go back into DOS mode to do just that, and that's against our goal: availability. So in general I have a good feeling about this system. Unless it starts to hickup, then it takes a little more time. Simon's personal support is really great. --WjW -- Internet Access Eindhoven BV., voice: +31-40-2 393 393, data: +31-40-2 606 606 P.O. 928, 5600 AX Eindhoven, The Netherlands Full Internet connectivity for only fl 12.95 a month. Call now, and login as 'new'. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 16 05:56:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA05360 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 05:56:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ppc1.cybertime.ch (ppc1.cybertime.ch [194.191.120.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA05352 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 05:56:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pajarola@cybertime.ch) Received: from tyr.cybertime.ch by ppc1.cybertime.ch (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA14362; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:55:52 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980716145425.00726d20@www.dlc.cybertime.ch> X-Sender: pajarola@www.dlc.cybertime.ch X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:57:16 +0200 To: "FreeBSD stable" From: Rico Pajarola Subject: Re: Finger and getpwent Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think something like this should go into /etc/login.conf. I already use the nologin file (which can be set per login-class) to make ftp-only accounts, and the ftpusers file to make email-only accounts. I like this solution because it looks 'clean' to me, but it's by far not complete. And the nicest login.conf doesn't help you if the programs you use don't look at it (and afaik only login itself looks at it yet, guess why it's called login.conf). Rico At 16:24 16.07.98 +1000, John Saunders wrote: >>I've always been under the impression that shell and FTP checking >>/etc/shells and mail services *not* doing so was a deliberate >>design decision, not an oversight. > >Until something better is implemented there are good reasons >for both sides. I have modified pppd, ftpd and qpopper to check >for a valid shell. However if a valid shell is not found I made >pppd check for "PPP", ftpd check for "FTP", and qpopper check >for "POP" in the shell field using strstr(). So I can configure >an account with a shell of "POP,FTP" to enable both those services >but not shell logins. > >While this suits my system it's not entirely flexible, I can't >provide shell access but not FTP access for example. What is >needed is an addition system where the user has a list of service >type attributes associated with them. Then each service would >check the attributes to see if the user is allowed to access the >service. e.g. a config file like... > >fred:shell ppp telnet >joe:ppp pop >mary:telnet pop ftp >*:shell ppp > >Then a library call like checkaccess(char *user, char *service) > >I believe the early shadow password suite used on Linux started >to have something similar but it didn't look completed when I >last looked at it. I think PAM has superceeded shadow now anyway. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 16 08:25:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA25185 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:25:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA25180 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:25:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfieber@indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA13022 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:24:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:24:56 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Whacked systat/vmstat reports Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [I sent this once, but hub was in an altered state at the time and I never saw the posting...] Here is a bit of cut-n-paste from a "systat -vmstat" display on my 2.2.6-stable machine with 64MB ram and 128MB swap: Mem:KB REAL VIRTUAL VN PAGER SWAP PAGER Tot Share Tot Share Free in out in out Act 17980 2376 3825328 3608 7996 count 3 1 All 64072 5612 815324 17140 pages 15 3 What is wrong with this picture? Does the 3825328 seem ever so slightly whacked? This has been a curiosity for quite some time, in fact I think it might even pre-date my upgrade from 2.2.5 to 2.2.6. Oddly enough, top(1) reports a reasonable figure for the same parameter. The output of vmstat(8) is whacked in the same way as systat(1) though. dmesg says: real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) avail memory = 63660032 (62168K bytes) Clues? Where should I start looking? -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 16 12:42:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02018 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:42:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from adsight.com (adsight.com [207.86.2.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02012 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:42:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from webadmin@adsight.com) Received: from localhost (webadmin@localhost) by adsight.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA07872; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:44:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Magee To: Tony Maher cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PPPD + Mgetty stopped working In-Reply-To: <199807152154.HAA28865@morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > using Mgetty + pppd stopped working. Users get an "authorization > > failed" message. It's been working fine for over a year through > > several stable upgrades. Anybody else having this problem? > > I dont use mgetty but with the (recent) move to pppd v2.3.5 (was 2.2.0) > changed pap-secrets from (using login auth) > > * * "" > to > * * "" * > > tonym > > ps I should make the last asterix the IP address but haven't had > time to play with it. > I tried that but I still am getting a string of garbage passed to login from mgetty in the mgetty login.config where the line reads: * - - /usr/bin/login @ the '@' is supposed to be the username, but all I get is garbage. -- Sam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 16 14:06:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13943 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:06:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.5.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13916 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:06:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.7/8.8.3a) id OAA02417; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:05:44 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199807162105.OAA02417@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Finger and getpwent To: pajarola@cybertime.ch (Rico Pajarola) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:05:43 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980716145425.00726d20@www.dlc.cybertime.ch> from Rico Pajarola at "Jul 16, 98 02:57:16 pm" Reply-to: chad@dcfinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I think something like this should go into /etc/login.conf. I already use > the nologin file (which can be set per login-class) to make ftp-only > accounts, and the ftpusers file to make email-only accounts. I like this > solution because it looks 'clean' to me, but it's by far not complete. And > the nicest login.conf doesn't help you if the programs you use don't look > at it (and afaik only login itself looks at it yet, guess why it's called > login.conf). > > Rico The model that make sense to me is the SysVr4 Service Access Controller (SAC). From a security standpoint, there were way too many different ways to get a "login" prompt from the system. The telnet daemon, the rlogin daemon, FTP, the regular login, the UUCP service, etc. So now there is only one process that issues "login", and every thing else goes through it. That gives a single point to install authentication and access control. The other band-aids grew up, in my opinion, as people who didn't have source to their systems tried to fix things up. We FreeBSDers have the facilities to implement a global solution similar to the SysVr4 one. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 16 14:40:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21774 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:40:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from artemis.syncom.net (artemis.syncom.net [206.64.31.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21634; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:39:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cyouse@artemis.syncom.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by artemis.syncom.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA21838; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:47:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Youse To: Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav cc: Lee Johnston , Brandon Lockhart , David Greenman , Jeremy Domingue , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id OAA21697 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 16 Jul 1998, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > > > What are you talking about, I was talking about for a HIGHLY used server, > > > as in, more then cdrom.com, and I was talking about a REAL server, not a > > > PC supped up. I am talking about a rack mount server, a REAL server. > > > Which in case you where out of the loop, most REAL servers use RISC. > > More than ftp.cdrom.com? I thought ftp.cdrom.com was one of the busiest > > if not _THE_ busiest FTP Server on the Internet. What servers are you > > talking about? > > Aw shucks, the guy's just one big fscking troll. Ignore him. I was just about to pull out my PDP-11 and put it up in place of my Dual PII server. The PDP-11 is, of course, rack-mounted, and thus must be a 'REAL' server. Chuck Youse cyouse@syncom.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 16 17:01:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19004 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:01:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18995 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:01:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@obie.softweyr.com) Received: (from wes@localhost) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18215; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:00:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes) From: Wes Peters Message-Id: <199807170000.SAA18215@obie.softweyr.com> Subject: Re: Finger and getpwent In-Reply-To: <199807162105.OAA02417@freebie.dcfinc.com> from "Chad R. Larson" at "Jul 16, 98 02:05:43 pm" To: chad@dcfinc.com Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:00:58 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chad Larson recommended: > The model that make sense to me is the SysVr4 Service Access Controller > (SAC). From a security standpoint, there were way too many different > ways to get a "login" prompt from the system. The telnet daemon, the > rlogin daemon, FTP, the regular login, the UUCP service, etc. So now > there is only one process that issues "login", and every thing else goes > through it. That gives a single point to install authentication and > access control. > > The other band-aids grew up, in my opinion, as people who didn't have > source to their systems tried to fix things up. We FreeBSDers have the > facilities to implement a global solution similar to the SysVr4 one. Hopefully without the horrible over-complexity of SAF and SAC, though. When you have 'keys' that are so complex you have to write another command just to generate the keys for you, something has gone horribly wrong with your design. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 17 07:25:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA00528 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:25:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from solar.os.com (root@solar.os.com [209.113.221.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00459 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:25:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from craigs@os.com) Received: from fargo (fargo.os.com [209.113.221.2]) by solar.os.com (8.7/8.7.0) with SMTP id KAA19942 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:28:12 -0400 Message-ID: <007d01bdb18e$a45ecab0$02dd71d1@fargo.os.com> From: "Craig Shrimpton" To: Subject: FreeBSD only bootstraps from floppy Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:24:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Folks, I have a FBSD box that requires a boot floppy to start. The floppy is required to get the hard disk to load the OS, it's not required to run the system. Apparently the boot sector is not being found on startup. I suspect that the problem has something to do with the BIOS translation settings on the SCSI controller. Is there any way to correct this short of a complete re-install? Can I turn off BIOS translation and re-install a boot sector without fouling up the data? Thanks, Craig To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 17 09:31:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08882 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:31:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08867; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:31:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07649; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:31:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199807171631.KAA07649@pluto.plutotech.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:26:19 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Subject: 19980716 CAM Snapshot now available. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To: undisclosed-recipients:; ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: scsi@FreeBSD.org Subject: 19980716 CAM Snapshot now available. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:26:19 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" This snapshot is available in full release format for 2.2-stable as well as diffs for both 2.2-stable and 3.0-current. Complete information about CAM can be found at: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/cam/README or ftp://ftp.kdm.org/pub/FreeBSD/cam/README Full CAM releases are available at: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/cam Changes for the 19980716 Snapshot: - Corrected chioctl definition in the SCSI Changer driver for -stable. - Corrected support for using "left over BIOS settings" for aic7890 chips embedded on motherboards. This should allow these systems to operate at full LVD Ultra2 speeds. - Fixed a few more bugs in the AdvanSys driver's error recovery code. - Quieted error messages from devices that return INVALID REQUEST for inquiry commands to luns above zero. - -- Justin T. Gibbs Kenneth D. Merry ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 17 09:56:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13140 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:56:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ix.netcom.com (sil-wa2-01.ix.netcom.com [206.214.137.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13120 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:56:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomdean@ix.netcom.com) Received: (from tomdean@localhost) by ix.netcom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00895; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:53:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomdean) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807171653.JAA00895@ix.netcom.com> From: Thomas Dean To: craigs@os.com CC: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <007d01bdb18e$a45ecab0$02dd71d1@fargo.os.com> (craigs@os.com) Subject: Re: FreeBSD only bootstraps from floppy Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What version of FreeBSD are you using? What other OS's are on the machine? What disks are on the machine? Did you install the boot manager when you installed FreeBSD? What error messages do you see when trying to boot from the SCSI disk? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 17 10:38:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA19349 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:38:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from solar.os.com (root@solar.os.com [209.113.221.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19341 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:38:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from craigs@os.com) Received: from fargo (fargo.os.com [209.113.221.2]) by solar.os.com (8.7/8.7.0) with SMTP id NAA21096; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:41:00 -0400 Message-ID: <00e501bdb1a9$8d7b2850$02dd71d1@fargo.os.com> From: "Craig Shrimpton" To: "Thomas Dean" Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD only bootstraps from floppy Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:37:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >What version of FreeBSD are you using? FreeBSD-STABLE (couple weeks old) >What other OS's are on the machine? None >What disks are on the machine? 4 GB SCSI (Seagate w/ 2940U controller) >Did you install the boot manager when you installed FreeBSD? No. However, I don't remember if I made it dangerously dedicated. >What error messages do you see when trying to boot from the SCSI disk? The basic "Insert disk and press any key to continue." no boot sector found message. Obviously I installed this with the controller in a non-FreeBSD conforming state. I'd like to avoid newfs'ing the system if possible. -Craig To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 17 11:13:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25230 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:13:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from orion.aye.net (orion.aye.net [206.185.8.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA25221 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:13:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rabtter@orion.aye.net) Received: (qmail 21 invoked by uid 3759); 17 Jul 1998 18:14:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:14:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "B. Richardson" To: Craig Shrimpton cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD only bootstraps from floppy In-Reply-To: <007d01bdb18e$a45ecab0$02dd71d1@fargo.os.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had this occur on a small IDE disk once and out of desparation I booted from a DOS floppy and did an FDISK/MBR and it came around. On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Craig Shrimpton wrote: > Folks, > > I have a FBSD box that requires a boot floppy to start. The floppy is > required to get the hard disk to load the OS, it's not required to run the > system. Apparently the boot sector is not being found on startup. > > I suspect that the problem has something to do with the BIOS translation > settings on the SCSI controller. Is there any way to correct this short of > a complete re-install? Can I turn off BIOS translation and re-install a > boot sector without fouling up the data? > > Thanks, > > Craig > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 17 11:40:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28258 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:40:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28252 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:40:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id LAA04028 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:32:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id LAA05640; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:29:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199807171829.LAA05640@daemonweed.reanimators.org> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: -stable build losing in uuencode Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Frank McConnell Date: 17 Jul 1998 11:29:23 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Noted this morning. Perhaps needs explicit inclusion? -Frank McConnell --- long lines follow --- cd /usr/src/usr.bin/uuencode && /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin/make depend && /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin/make -DNOINFO -DNOMAN -DNOPROFILE all && /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin/make -DNOINFO -DNOMAN -DNOPROFILE -B install cleandir obj rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include /usr/src/usr.bin/uuencode/uuencode.c cc -O -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.bin/uuencode/uuencode.c /usr/src/usr.bin/uuencode/uuencode.c: In function `main': /usr/src/usr.bin/uuencode/uuencode.c:73: `optind' undeclared (first use this function) /usr/src/usr.bin/uuencode/uuencode.c:73: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /usr/src/usr.bin/uuencode/uuencode.c:73: for each function it appears in.) *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 17 12:39:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05175 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:39:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05160 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:39:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id VAA02465; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:37:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from semyam.dinoco.de (semyam.dinoco.de [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03360; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:25:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199807170625.IAA03360@semyam.dinoco.de> To: "Eddie Irvine" Subject: Re: 2.2 stable compile problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:49:00 +1000." <01bdaf9b$1edaf660$a41a1acb@gretchen> Cc: seggers@semyam.dinoco.de, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:25:17 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >isa.o: Undefined symbol isa_devtab_cam' referenced from text segment > > Same problem here. > I went into /usr/src/usr.sbin/config and remade config. So far so good. > Had to use the "find" command to locate the new config executable, > then copied it into /usr/sbin. Why not "make install" in the subdirectory of config? I think that should do it. It works in -current and my memory tells me I did this not too long ago with -stable. Stefan. -- Stefan Eggers Lu4 yao2 zhi1 ma3 li4, Max-Slevogt-Str. 1 ri4 jiu3 jian4 ren2 xin1. 51109 Koeln Federal Republic of Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 17 13:02:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA10439 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:02:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA10420 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:02:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19733; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:01:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Frank McConnell cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -stable build losing in uuencode In-reply-to: Your message of "17 Jul 1998 11:29:23 PDT." <199807171829.LAA05640@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:01:02 -0700 Message-ID: <19729.900705662@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You must have hit a 5 minute window (wow, amazing accuracy) since this condition only lasted for about that long. :-) - Jordan > Noted this morning. Perhaps needs explicit inclusion? > > -Frank McConnell > > --- long lines follow --- > cd /usr/src/usr.bin/uuencode && /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin/make depend && /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin/make -DNOINFO -DNOMAN -DNOPROFILE all && /usr/obj /usr/src/tmp/usr/bin/make -DNOINFO -DNOMAN -DNOPROFILE -B install cleandir obj > rm -f .depend > mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include /usr/src/usr.bin/uue ncode/uuencode.c > cc -O -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.bin/uuencode/uuenc ode.c > /usr/src/usr.bin/uuencode/uuencode.c: In function `main': > /usr/src/usr.bin/uuencode/uuencode.c:73: `optind' undeclared (first use this function) > /usr/src/usr.bin/uuencode/uuencode.c:73: (Each undeclared identifier is repor ted only once > /usr/src/usr.bin/uuencode/uuencode.c:73: for each function it appears in.) > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 17 13:06:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11164 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:06:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ix.netcom.com (sil-wa2-01.ix.netcom.com [206.214.137.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11144 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:06:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomdean@ix.netcom.com) Received: (from tomdean@localhost) by ix.netcom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01330; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:05:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomdean) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807172005.NAA01330@ix.netcom.com> From: Thomas Dean To: craigs@os.com CC: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <00e501bdb1a9$8d7b2850$02dd71d1@fargo.os.com> (craigs@os.com) Subject: Re: FreeBSD only bootstraps from floppy Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The basic "Insert disk and press any key to continue." no boot sector found message is comming from the BIOS attempt to boot. The BIOS wants to find a DOS partition table and boot record. If you made the disk dangerously dedicated, you may have a problem. You can try the DOS fdisk command, 'FDISK /MBR'. Before you do that, post the output of the FreeBSD commands, 'fdisk sd0' and 'disklabel -r sd0' > Obviously I installed this with the controller in a non-FreeBSD conforming > state. I'd like to avoid newfs'ing the system if possible. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 17 13:13:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12417 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:13:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from solar.os.com (root@solar.os.com [209.113.221.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12412 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:13:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from craigs@os.com) Received: from fargo (fargo.os.com [209.113.221.2]) by solar.os.com (8.7/8.7.0) with SMTP id QAA22136; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:15:44 -0400 Message-ID: <012e01bdb1bf$28f49770$02dd71d1@fargo.os.com> From: "Craig Shrimpton" To: "Thomas Dean" Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD only bootstraps from floppy Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:12:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >You can try the DOS fdisk command, 'FDISK /MBR'. Before you do that, >post the output of the FreeBSD commands, 'fdisk sd0' and 'disklabel -r >sd0' > Here it is: su-2.01# disklabel -r sd0 # /dev/rsd0c: type: SCSI disk: sd0s1 label: flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 63 tracks/cylinder: 255 sectors/cylinder: 16065 cylinders: 127 sectors/unit: 2056257 rpm: 3600 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 65536 0 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 4*) b: 347856 65536 swap # (Cyl. 4*- 25*) c: 2056257 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 127*) e: 61440 413392 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 25*- 29*) f: 1581425 474832 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 29*- 127*) And the other: ******* Working on device /dev/rsd0 ******* parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=128 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: cylinders=128 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) Media sector size is 512 Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 Information from DOS bootblock is: The data for partition 1 is: sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 63, size 2056257 (1004 Meg), flag 80 beg: cyl 0/ sector 1/ head 1; end: cyl 127/ sector 63/ head 254 The data for partition 2 is: The data for partition 3 is: The data for partition 4 is: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 17 14:29:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26810 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:29:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26799 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:29:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id OAA04333; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:21:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id OAA11085; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:14:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199807172114.OAA11085@daemonweed.reanimators.org> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -stable build losing in uuencode References: <19729.900705662@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Frank McConnell Date: 17 Jul 1998 14:14:58 -0700 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:01:02 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > You must have hit a 5 minute window (wow, amazing accuracy) since > this condition only lasted for about that long. :-) Yep, and I even did another cvsup before posting and saw the fixes come across, just forgot to get the updated sources out of the local repository before looking at them. Duh. Sorry to have troubled y'all. -Frank McConnell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 17 15:03:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03650 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from server.everexgov.com (server.everexgov.com [206.25.143.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03637 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:03:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ninot@everex.com) Received: from orion005 (orion005.everex.com [209.77.194.25]) by server.everexgov.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA01227 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807172122.OAA01227@server.everexgov.com> X-Sender: i004675@mail.everex.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:14:04 +0100 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Nino Tungul Subject: File system full (thanks) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG to all you guys out there, thanks for the helpfull hints you sent me. i should say big big big thanks. i just have one more question, is it possible to modify the boot sequence, (of course it is, how stupid of me) sorry, its just im kinda excited, freeBSD is such a fun and exciting to learn(no NT pls.). i just want the system to prove only certain devices(not all) and maybe change the login sign. * FreeBSD (freebie.example.com) (ttyv0) Login: to MyName (freebie.example.com) (ttyv0) again thanks a lot!!! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 17 15:49:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08294 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:49:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.5.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08287 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:49:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.7/8.8.3a) id PAA03916; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:49:25 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199807172249.PAA03916@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Finger and getpwent To: wes@softweyr.com (Wes Peters) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:49:25 -0700 (MST) Cc: chad@dcfinc.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199807170000.SAA18215@obie.softweyr.com> from Wes Peters at "Jul 16, 98 06:00:58 pm" Reply-to: chad@dcfinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Chad Larson recommended: > > The model that make sense to me is the SysVr4 Service Access Controller > > (SAC). From a security standpoint, there were way too many different > > ways to get a "login" prompt from the system. The telnet daemon, the > > rlogin daemon, FTP, the regular login, the UUCP service, etc. So now > > there is only one process that issues "login", and every thing else goes > > through it. That gives a single point to install authentication and > > access control. > > > > The other band-aids grew up, in my opinion, as people who didn't have > > source to their systems tried to fix things up. We FreeBSDers have the > > facilities to implement a global solution similar to the SysVr4 one. > > Hopefully without the horrible over-complexity of SAF and SAC, though. > When you have 'keys' that are so complex you have to write another > command just to generate the keys for you, something has gone horribly > wrong with your design. I agree with that, which is why I used the term "model". I wouldn't suggest a re-implementation of SAF, but fixing all the various current access means to route through a common point makes sense to me. > Wes Peters Softweyr LLC > http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 17 16:04:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10700 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:04:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ix.netcom.com (sil-wa2-01.ix.netcom.com [206.214.137.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10595 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:04:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomdean@ix.netcom.com) Received: (from tomdean@localhost) by ix.netcom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01565; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:02:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomdean) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807172302.QAA01565@ix.netcom.com> From: Thomas Dean To: craigs@os.com CC: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <012e01bdb1bf$28f49770$02dd71d1@fargo.os.com> (craigs@os.com) Subject: Re: FreeBSD only bootstraps from floppy Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You have what looks like a standard partition table. The DOS fdisk may make this disk bootable. Does DOS fdisk /mbr make the drive bootable? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 17 16:28:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14712 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:28:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhost.iprg.nokia.com (mailhost.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.5.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14700 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:28:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@iprg.nokia.com) Received: from melkor.iprg.nokia.com (melkor.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.1.82]) by mailhost.iprg.nokia.com (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id QAA06391; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35AFDDDD.ABD322C@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:27:25 -0700 From: Scott Sewall Organization: Nokia Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nino Tungul CC: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: File system full (thanks) References: <199807172122.OAA01227@server.everexgov.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nino Tungul wrote: -- snip -- > > i just want the system to prove only certain devices(not all) and maybe > change the > login sign. > > * FreeBSD (freebie.example.com) (ttyv0) > > Login: > > to > MyName (freebie.example.com) (ttyv0) > > again thanks a lot!!! > See /etc/gettytab to change the login banner. -- Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 17 17:01:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19885 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:01:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19863 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:01:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id RAA11201; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:00:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:00:16 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199807180000.RAA11201@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, ninot@everex.com Subject: Re: File system full (thanks) In-Reply-To: <199807172122.OAA01227@server.everexgov.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:14:04 +0100 >From: Nino Tungul >i just want the system to prove only certain devices(not all) and maybe >change the login sign. >to > MyName (freebie.example.com) (ttyv0) See /etc/gettytab; find the string "FreeBSD" in it. Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 17 17:09:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21812 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:09:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA21807 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:09:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yxKYw-00004A-00; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:09:18 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:09:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Nino Tungul cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: File system full (thanks) In-Reply-To: <199807172122.OAA01227@server.everexgov.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Nino Tungul wrote: > i just want the system to prove only certain devices(not all) and maybe You can either build a kernel a without the drivers for those devices (see handbook), or just disable probing by using "-c" at the boot prompt (still displays the entry though). > change the > login sign. /etc/gettytab has that setting. Read man page so you know what the special symbols do. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 17 17:23:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23824 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:23:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from orion.aye.net (orion.aye.net [206.185.8.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA23819 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:23:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rabtter@orion.aye.net) Received: (qmail 23411 invoked by uid 3759); 18 Jul 1998 00:24:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:24:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "B. Richardson" To: Thomas Dean cc: craigs@os.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD only bootstraps from floppy In-Reply-To: <199807172302.QAA01565@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It installs a DOS Master Boot Record (not to be confused with sector 0 of a bootable partition). Attributes associated the partition itself should be left intact and it should not change what your current active partition is. You get garbage in the MBR then the BIOS can't find sector 0 of your active partition. I've been able to boot a couple of flavors of Uni*x on intel with a DOS MBR. Frequently have had MBR problems with Un*x on compaqs, and have had similar symptoms with problems using extended BIOS translation on SCSI controllers. On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Thomas Dean wrote: > You have what looks like a standard partition table. > > The DOS fdisk may make this disk bootable. Does DOS fdisk /mbr make > the drive bootable? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 17 18:04:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28504 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:04:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from usc.usc.unal.edu.co ([200.21.26.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA28343 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:03:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from giffunip@asme.org) Received: from unalmodem12.usc.unal.edu.co by usc.usc.unal.edu.co (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15244; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:43:44 -0400 Message-Id: <35AEA9FF.5C0457F2@asme.org> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:33:52 -0500 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: U. Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Incomplete keymaps in stable ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi: I finally installed 2.2.6-R (I normally overwrite the previous Release after finising the critical work) and when I installed it I noticed sysintall now supports the latin american keyboard, but the appropiate keymap is not found. Please add it before 2.2.7 is out. cheers, Pedro. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 17 18:49:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02621 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com (siteadm@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02607 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:49:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from damascus@eden.rutgers.edu) Message-Id: <199807180149.SAA02607@hub.freebsd.org> Received: from athena ([24.3.219.36]) by ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA1373 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:49:42 -0700 X-Sender: damascus@eden-backend.rutgers.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:52:39 -0500 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Carroll Kong Subject: IdentD... the horror continutes.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I STILL can't get my identd to work on the 2.2.6 FreeBSD -Stable box. It works fine when I use 3.0-current with the other box.... I am guessing that final thing that it must be is a direct conflict with some software application being run. I run cron, apache, bind, ncftpd, ftpd, telnetd, sshd, smbd, natd, and mysql. In inetd.conf... EVERYTHING is commented out except for identd, telnetd, ftpd. I tried make clean, make, make install, for identd ~4 times, and I tried it with both tcpwrapper on and off... (however, I never tried it with tcpwrapper totally eliminated before). I ran a make world 2 days ago... I could try again... just seems a bit odd that identd is having trouble. Could it be a DNS issue? Like having a different DNS name or something may cause a problem with inetd? Oh yeah... netstat -tan shows that port 113 is listening... -Carroll Kong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 17 19:05:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA04068 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:05:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA04063 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:05:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yxMNJ-0003lI-00; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:05:25 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:05:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Carroll Kong cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IdentD... the horror continutes.... In-Reply-To: <199807180149.SAA02607@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Carroll Kong wrote: > I ran a make world 2 days ago... I could try again... just seems a bit odd > that identd is having trouble. Very common actually. identd pokes around in kernel space for info. If things just a bit on the kernel side, identd no longer works. One of the worst programs around for this. identd should probably be bundled with FreeBSD for this reason (just like "top"). I happen to identd running here, but I'm running it in daemon mode, not from inetd. Try that instead. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 17 22:59:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA21944 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:59:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.gamespot.com (ns2.gamespot.com [206.169.18.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA21939; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:59:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ian@gamespot.com) Received: from localhost (ian@localhost) by mail.gamespot.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA07183; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:59:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Kallen Reply-To: Ian Kallen To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: rc can't fsck Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I migrated a machine that includes a big ass seagate drive from 2.2.5 to 2.2.6 and it won't fsck it at boot time! I can fsck it fine manually but check out rc croaking on fsck'ing it: (ahc0:5:0): "SEAGATE ST423451W 0013" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd2(ahc0:5:0): Direct-Access 22130MB (45322644 512 byte sectors) ... cannot alloc 5314561 bytes for typemap /dev/rsd2s1: CAN'T CHECK FILE SYSTEM. /dev/rsd2s1: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY. Automatic file system check failed... help! Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh: I can fsck it then (or control-d out of single-user) w/o any complaint. I modified login.conf like this to give rc the same limits as root: # Settings used by /etc/rc # daemon:\ :coredumpsize=infinity:\ :datasize=infinity:\ :maxproc=infinity:\ :memoryuse=infinity:\ :memorylocked=infinity:\ :openfiles=infinity:\ :stacksize=infinity:\ :tc=default: but no joy. I can hack up rc to skip fsck'ing it just to make it rebootable but, damn, I really don't want to do that. So um, what to do next? -Ian -- I play the harmonica. the only way I can play is if I get my car going really fast, and stick it out the window. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 18 05:56:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18405 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 05:56:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU (morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU [129.78.25.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18400 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 05:56:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tonym@angis.usyd.edu.au) Received: (from tonym@localhost) by morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.6) id WAA05581; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:55:58 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:55:58 +1000 (EST) From: Tony Maher Message-Id: <199807181255.WAA05581@morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU> To: webadmin@adsight.com Subject: Re: PPPD + Mgetty stopped working Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> I dont use mgetty but with the (recent) move to pppd v2.3.5 (was 2.2.0) >> changed pap-secrets from (using login auth) >> * * "" >> to >> * * "" * > I tried that but I still am getting a string of garbage passed to > login from mgetty > > in the mgetty login.config where the line reads: > * - - /usr/bin/login @ > > the '@' is supposed to be the username, but all I get is garbage. Sorry cant help with mgetty. I just use (/etc/ttys) ttyd1 "/usr/sbin/pppd /dev/ttyd0 115200 -detach" dialup on insecure Probably not what you are after. If you get it sorted out pls let us know. I'd like to try using mgetty (cant download the tarball at the moment) since it allows faxes and dial in/out on same line from what I read. tonym To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 18 06:47:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA21276 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 06:47:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA21269 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 06:47:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.5] (user5.dataplex.net [208.2.87.5]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01845; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:29:54 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199807152154.HAA28865@morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:46:24 -0500 To: Sam Magee From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: PPPD + Mgetty stopped working Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I tried that but I still am getting a string of garbage passed to >login from mgetty > >in the mgetty login.config where the line reads: >* - - /usr/bin/login @ > >the '@' is supposed to be the username, but all I get is garbage. Garbage at this point often indicates that you have a modem baudrate problem. I thought I would update mgetty to the latest. However, "leo" is down this weekend and mgetty1.1.16 is not on ftp.freebsd.org. Does anyone know where I can find a copy today? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 18 07:09:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23179 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 07:09:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23168 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 07:09:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA00151; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:08:20 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id QAA11402; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:08:20 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980718160820.10013@follo.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:08:20 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Craig Shrimpton , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD only bootstraps from floppy References: <007d01bdb18e$a45ecab0$02dd71d1@fargo.os.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <007d01bdb18e$a45ecab0$02dd71d1@fargo.os.com>; from Craig Shrimpton on Fri, Jul 17, 1998 at 10:24:38AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jul 17, 1998 at 10:24:38AM -0400, Craig Shrimpton wrote: > Folks, > > I have a FBSD box that requires a boot floppy to start. The floppy is > required to get the hard disk to load the OS, it's not required to run the > system. Apparently the boot sector is not being found on startup. > > I suspect that the problem has something to do with the BIOS translation > settings on the SCSI controller. Is there any way to correct this short of > a complete re-install? Can I turn off BIOS translation and re-install a > boot sector without fouling up the data? Check that your motherboard hasn't got a boot sector protection switch. The Intel server ones _do_, and default to boot sector protection (which obviously screws a FreeBSD install). Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 18 13:22:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23632 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:22:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23618 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:22:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24026; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:21:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <35B103D8.20C6DED4@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:21:44 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chad@dcfinc.com CC: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Finger and getpwent References: <199807172249.PAA03916@freebie.dcfinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chad R. Larson and Wes Peters volleyed: > > > The other band-aids grew up, in my opinion, as people who didn't have > > > source to their systems tried to fix things up. We FreeBSDers have the > > > facilities to implement a global solution similar to the SysVr4 one. > > > > Hopefully without the horrible over-complexity of SAF and SAC, though. > > When you have 'keys' that are so complex you have to write another > > command just to generate the keys for you, something has gone horribly > > wrong with your design. > > I agree with that, which is why I used the term "model". I wouldn't > suggest a re-implementation of SAF, but fixing all the various current > access means to route through a common point makes sense to me. Agreed. There is much to admire in the capabilities of SAF, once you figure out how to make it work. A facility with the power of SAF and a configuration file that can be understood by mortals would be quite an accomplishment, especially if it allows the pluggable authentication modules discussed elsewhere on the FreeBSD lists months ago. It would be really cool to develop an authentication module for FreeBSD based on a Radius server, for instance, or an LDAP directory, and have it work with EVERY FreeBSD service that requires authentication. I guess this was the goal of Kerberos, but it has not appeared quite so portably over the years, nor has it been open to extension. With the entire networking industry howling about "Directory-Enabled Networks", and LDAP (or at least Radius) authentication system for FreeBSD would be a real coup, and would save us from some of the ugliness of YP/NIS. Hmm... this sounds like a good topic for a "Daemon's Advocate" column, doesn't it? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message