From owner-freebsd-www Tue Oct 13 13:33:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18160 for www-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:33:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18147 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:32:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20292 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:32:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Who disabled my urchin stats? Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:32:59 -0700 Message-ID: <20289.908310779@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Somebody went into the crontab file on freefall and disabled the urchin statistics, adding only a little "Jordan was here" comment. Don't do this kind of thing. I'm in the middle of a trial here with the folks in question and if you have any problem with it, TALK TO ME DIRECTLY. Don't just edit it out of the crontab file without so much as a mention or I'm going to be compelled to start tightening up root access around here. If we're not talking to one another, we're not being effective admins and fewer admins can be the only result. Thanks. - Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Tue Oct 13 14:39:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01851 for www-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:39:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from ns1.aha.ru (ns1.aha.ru [195.2.80.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01835 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:38:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ozz.etrust.ru!osa@serv.etrust.ru) Received: from sunny.aha.ru (sunny.aha.ru [195.2.83.112]) by ns1.aha.ru (8.9.1/8.9.1/aha-r/0.04B) with ESMTP id BAA08686 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:38:40 +0400 (MSD) Received: by sunny.aha.ru id BAA06177; (8.8.8/vak/1.9) Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:38:04 +0400 (MSD) Received: from unknown(195.2.84.114) by sunny.aha.ru via smap (V1.3) id sma006145; Wed Oct 14 01:37:44 1998 Received: from ozz.etrust.ru by serv.etrust.ru with ESMTP id BAA02881; (8.9.1/vak/1.9) Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:40:32 +0400 (MSD) Received: (from osa@localhost) by ozz.etrust.ru (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA00355; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:40:02 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from osa) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:40:02 +0400 (MSD) Message-Id: <199810132140.BAA00355@ozz.etrust.ru> To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/support.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.8rel.2 X-Personal_name: Osokin Sergey From: osa@etrust.ru Subject: http://www.freebsd.org.ru X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to base64 by serv.etrust.ru id BAA02881 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id OAA01842 Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! I want send you comments about Russian Group of FreeBSD. Some days ago i open our site. Main URL is http://www.freebsd.org.ru Rgdz, Osokin Sergey aka oZZ, osa@etrust.ru FreeBSD - Да пребудет с нами сила! Ассоциация русскоязычных пользователей FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org.ru From owner-freebsd-www Tue Oct 13 19:01:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15946 for www-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:01:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from room101.advansys.net (room101.advansys.net [209.100.148.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA15937 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:01:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@room101.advansys.net) Received: (qmail 1963 invoked by uid 1006); 14 Oct 1998 02:01:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:01:21 -0500 (EST) From: FreeBSD-related Mailbox To: www@FreeBSD.ORG cc: hostmaster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: freebsd.sysc.com -> freebsd.advansys.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The USA/Indiana mirror at freebsd.sysc.com is no longer active. The mirror is now located at freebsd.advansys.net and is up and running. From owner-freebsd-www Tue Oct 13 19:07:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17146 for www-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:07:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from room101.advansys.net (room101.advansys.net [209.100.148.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA17069 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:06:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@room101.advansys.net) Received: (qmail 2023 invoked by uid 1006); 14 Oct 1998 02:07:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:07:20 -0500 (EST) From: FreeBSD-related Mailbox To: majordomo-owner@FreeBSD.ORG cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: freebsd@sysc.com -> www@advansys.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, since freebsd-www is not a public mailing list, please change the address freebsd@sysc.com to www@advansys.net in your records. Thanks for your time. From owner-freebsd-www Wed Oct 14 01:56:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00764 for www-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:56:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz.hyperreal.org [209.133.83.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA00755 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:56:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@hyperreal.org) Received: (qmail 14292 invoked by uid 24); 14 Oct 1998 08:56:27 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.19981014014046.00a67780@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: brian@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:51:17 -0700 To: www@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brian Behlendorf Subject: some gentle suggestions.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Move http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ to a more prominent position; it's only accessible through the index, which seems unfortunate. There are also some apparently dead links on that page. Perhaps links http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to the front page, given that many first-timers are directed to the FreeBSD home page for information? And even for non-Unix-newbies it seemed like a good place to start learning about FreeBSD. Please please please consider making the security tutorial at http://www.best.com/~jkb/howto.txt a standard part of the FreeBSD docs, or somehow or another incorporate it into the site. I searched for info on securelevels everywhere until I found this. Updating it for 3.0 would be nice too. Kudos on otherwise terrific documentation. Brian --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- Where will YOU be Oct 14-16? | brian@apache.org ApacheCon '98! http://www.apachecon.com/ | brian@hyperreal.org From owner-freebsd-www Wed Oct 14 02:28:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA03022 for www-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 02:28:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA03017 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 02:28:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkb@shell6.ba.best.com) Received: (from jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) id CAA11082; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 02:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19981014022800.B10573@best.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 02:28:00 -0700 From: "Jan B. Koum " To: Brian Behlendorf , www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: some gentle suggestions.. References: <4.1.19981014014046.00a67780@hyperreal.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981014014046.00a67780@hyperreal.org>; from Brian Behlendorf on Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 01:51:17AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 01:51:17AM -0700, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > [...] > Please please please consider making the security tutorial at > http://www.best.com/~jkb/howto.txt a standard part of the FreeBSD docs, or > somehow or another incorporate it into the site. I searched for info on > securelevels everywhere until I found this. Updating it for 3.0 would be > nice too. Maybe after I include relevant 3.0 info and polish it a bit more (html, etc), it can be added as one line to /etc/motd? Jordan? -- Yan I don't have the password .... + Jan Koum But the path is chainlinked .. | Spelled Jan, pronounced Yan. There. So if you've got the time .... | Web: http://www.best.com/~jkb Set the tone to sync ......... + OS: http://www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-www Wed Oct 14 04:01:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA11042 for www-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:01:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA11036 for www; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:01:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:01:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Wolfram Schneider Message-Id: <199810141101.EAA11036@hub.freebsd.org> To: www Subject: webupdate failed on hub.freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ? doc/ja/handbook/handbook351.html ? doc/ja/handbook/handbook352.html ? doc/ja/handbook/handbook353.html ? doc/ja/handbook/handbook354.html ? doc/ja/handbook/handbook355.html ? doc/ja/handbook/handbook356.html ? doc/ja/handbook/handbook357.html ? doc/ja/handbook/handbook358.html ? doc/ja/handbook/handbook359.html ? doc/ja/handbook/handbook349.html ? doc/ja/handbook/handbook345.html ? doc/ja/handbook/handbook361.html ? doc/ja/handbook/handbook362.html ? doc/ja/handbook/handbook363.html ? doc/ja/handbook/handbook360.html ? doc/ja/handbook/handbook.roff ? doc/ja/handbook/handbook364.html ? doc/ja/handbook/handbook56.html Building and installing . . . ===> security ===> commercial ===> docproj ===> news ===> alpha ===> internal sgmlnorm -d -c /usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog about.sgml > about.html perl homepage.pl > homepage.inc sgmlnorm -d -c /usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog homepage.sgml > homepage.html ===> copyright ===> search ===> gallery sgmlnorm -d -c /usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog gallery.sgml > gallery.html sgmlnorm:gallery.sgml:21:17:E: document type does not allow element "TD" here; assuming missing "TR" start-tag *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. make all failed From owner-freebsd-www Wed Oct 14 07:26:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA28752 for www-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:26:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA28722; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:26:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA26793; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:20:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.9.0) id QAA20265; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:20:45 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19981014162044.B15520@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:20:44 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: FreeBSD-related Mailbox , www@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: hostmaster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd.sysc.com -> freebsd.advansys.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: ; from FreeBSD-related Mailbox on Tue, Oct 13, 1998 at 09:01:21PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 1998-10-13 21:01:21 -0500, FreeBSD-related Mailbox wrote: > The USA/Indiana mirror at freebsd.sysc.com is no longer active. > The mirror is now located at freebsd.advansys.net and is up and running. Updated for http://www.freebsd.org/index.html Thanks, Wolfram -- Wolfram Schneider http://freebsd.org/~w/ From owner-freebsd-www Wed Oct 14 07:34:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29374 for www-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:34:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA28625; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:25:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA26456; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:16:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.9.0) id QAA19853; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:16:21 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19981014161618.A15520@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:16:18 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , www@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who disabled my urchin stats? References: <20289.908310779@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <20289.908310779@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Tue, Oct 13, 1998 at 01:32:59PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I disabled the urchin stats Saturday morning because this tool deleted most part of the web log files :-(((( Jordan started the urchin stats as root (!!!) from /etc/crontab every day at 0:00. The urchin scripts also runs a own log file rotation script ;-{ At 4:00 the webmaster do the standard log file rotation. The result of the log rotation script clash are mostly empty log files. All entries between 04:00 and 24:00 are deleted. No thank you! wosch@freefall <06:31:04> [/usr/local/www/log] 537 bash$ ls -ltr access.log* -rw-r--r-- 1 root www 3294109 Sep 22 05:07 access.log.22.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root www 2945188 Sep 23 04:05 access.log.21.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root www 3187382 Sep 24 06:20 access.log.20.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root www 424313 Sep 25 07:33 access.log.19.gz <-- -rw-r--r-- 1 root www 254577 Sep 26 04:13 access.log.18.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root www 308604 Sep 27 05:08 access.log.17.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root www 396542 Sep 28 04:55 access.log.16.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root www 380190 Sep 29 04:58 access.log.15.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root www 2842729 Sep 30 04:13 access.log.14.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root www 553083 Oct 1 04:27 access.log.13.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root www 414772 Oct 2 05:03 access.log.12.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root www 219718 Oct 3 04:26 access.log.11.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root www 251724 Oct 4 04:21 access.log.10.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root www 344244 Oct 5 05:16 access.log.9.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root www 435448 Oct 6 04:13 access.log.8.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root www 354310 Oct 7 04:10 access.log.7.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root www 379927 Oct 8 04:18 access.log.6.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root www 403172 Oct 9 04:16 access.log.5.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root www 236091 Oct 10 04:00 access.log.4.gz <-- -rw-r--r-- 1 root www 2256957 Oct 11 04:02 access.log.3.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root www 2171273 Oct 12 04:22 access.log.2.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root www 2924677 Oct 13 04:13 access.log.1.gz Log file rotation and log file analyzing are two different things. The log file rotation script *must* run once a day as root. Analyzing tools are optional software. They should never be started as root!! As I already you told, www.freebsd.org is our production server. Don't run test software on www.freebsd.org! Don't do it as root!! If you want perform test copy the log files to bento.freebsd.org and run the scripts at bento. This is the second case where a Core Team member used his root privileges to break into the web server - without talking to me directly. And I have to fix the bugs ... Wolfram On 1998-10-13 13:32:59 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Somebody went into the crontab file on freefall and disabled the > urchin statistics, adding only a little "Jordan was here" comment. > > Don't do this kind of thing. I'm in the middle of a trial here with > the folks in question and if you have any problem with it, TALK TO ME > DIRECTLY. Don't just edit it out of the crontab file without so much > as a mention or I'm going to be compelled to start tightening up root > access around here. If we're not talking to one another, we're not > being effective admins and fewer admins can be the only result. > > Thanks. > > - Jordan -- Wolfram Schneider http://freebsd.org/~w/ From owner-freebsd-www Wed Oct 14 11:42:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07184 for www-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:42:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06850; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:40:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26564; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:38:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Wolfram Schneider cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who disabled my urchin stats? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:16:18 +0200." <19981014161618.A15520@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:38:52 -0700 Message-ID: <26560.908390332@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I disabled the urchin stats Saturday morning because > this tool deleted most part of the web log files :-(((( You should have talked to me - we could have looked into your claims more thoroughly. I've already been running urchin here in test mode and it's been working fine; www.freebsd.org is NOT the first urchin test site, contrary to your belief. > Jordan started the urchin stats as root (!!!) from /etc/crontab > every day at 0:00. The urchin scripts also runs a > own log file rotation script ;-{ They're supposed to run as root. > At 4:00 the webmaster do the standard log file rotation. The > result of the log rotation script clash are mostly empty > log files. All entries between 04:00 and 24:00 are deleted. > No thank you! I can disable the rotation - you never even mentioned it as a problem before now so I didn't do so. > Log file rotation and log file analyzing are two different things. > The log file rotation script *must* run once a day as root. Analyzing > tools are optional software. They should never be started as root!! This needs to run as root. > As I already you told, www.freebsd.org is our production server. > Don't run test software on www.freebsd.org! Don't do it as root!! This needs to run as root. > If you want perform test copy the log files to bento.freebsd.org > and run the scripts at bento. I've already run tests here. Since you refuse to even communicate with me, how was I supposed to know that it was causing problems on www.freebsd.org? > This is the second case where a Core Team member used his root > privileges to break into the web server - without talking to me > directly. And I have to fix the bugs ... If you had bothered to COMMUNICATE about this yourself, we wouldn't have gotten to this state at all. It has always been occasionally necessary for others to do web-oriented things on our machines and the webmaster doesn't have an exclusive monopoly on this, just as others occasionally jump in on postmaster issues or system admin tasks. You being the primary contact does not absolve you from working with others in the project and I expect you to communicate with others here. I never made any secret of the urchin stats or what I was doing with them, but you made a secret of the problems it was causing and now we're yelling at eachother. Either be more willing to communicate with others over issues like this in the future or realize that maybe you're not the right choice for webmaster. Nobody gets to run their piece like a fiefdom and you are expected to communicate with others when problems arise, not just run around disabling stuff for reasons known only to you. - Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Wed Oct 14 12:06:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09715 for www-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:06:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09551; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:05:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00796; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:03:37 +0200 (CEST) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Wolfram Schneider , www@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who disabled my urchin stats? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:38:52 PDT." <26560.908390332@time.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:03:36 +0200 Message-ID: <794.908391816@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <26560.908390332@time.cdrom.com>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: >> I disabled the urchin stats Saturday morning because >> this tool deleted most part of the web log files :-(((( Would anybody mind telling me what "urchin" is ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal From owner-freebsd-www Wed Oct 14 12:20:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10994 for www-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:20:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10793; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:19:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01450; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810141910.MAA01450@implode.root.com> To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Wolfram Schneider , www@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who disabled my urchin stats? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:03:36 +0200." <794.908391816@critter.freebsd.dk> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:10:17 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >In message <26560.908390332@time.cdrom.com>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > >>> I disabled the urchin stats Saturday morning because >>> this tool deleted most part of the web log files :-(((( > >Would anybody mind telling me what "urchin" is ? It's one of those slimey water-based creatures that one often finds at the petting zoo. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-www Wed Oct 14 13:18:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19033 for www-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:18:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from staff.sirius.com (staff.sirius.com [205.134.226.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19025 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:18:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eps@staff.sirius.com) Received: (from eps@localhost) by staff.sirius.com (8.8.8/Sirius-Inhouse) id NAA27540 for www@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:16:55 -0700 (PDT) From: eps@sirius.com Message-Id: <199810142016.NAA27540@staff.sirius.com> To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD in the Press: "It's only free Unix - but I like it" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The Irish Times COMPUTIMES Monday, October 12, 1998 It's only free Unix - but I like it David Malone gives us an insider's view of Linux and FreeBSD LINUX 5: In 1995, during a summer job at Ieunet (now Esat Net), I first encountered free Unix. We were testing Linux and FreeBSD (another free version of UNIX) to see if they would make good Unix servers. By the end of the summer we'd moved the main Web server to a free Unix machine. The reason? We'd run into an obscure problem which we diagnosed and fixed once we had the operating system (OS) source code available. (It wasn't a problem with the OS, but we needed the OS source code.) After this positive experience we decided to try it out in the School of Mathematics in Trinity College, Dublin. We bought a Pentium 120 as a server and several diskless 486 PCs to act as terminals for undergraduates. The server out-performed our 1-year-old Sun SPARC stations by a factor of 2 or 3 and cost less. The money we saved by buying 486s instead of branded terminals allowed us to get 17-inch monitors for undergraduates (rather up-market for that time). In the School of Mathematics we provide a Unix system for about 1000 undergraduates, postgraduates and staff. The system has always been run by students. Free Unix is ideal for us: it lets us use high-quality, easy-to-maintain software on generic PC hardware - which has a good price/performance ratio. You'd be amazed at how many users a single Pentium can support. One day I found that one of our FreeBSD servers wouldn't let anyone else log in. I'd accidentally left it configured for a maximum of 32 logins. I increased the number and ever since it has happily supported everyone who has tried to log in. Now we use free Unix for everything from email and Web browsing to high-performance simulation of quantum mechanics and telephone networks. Our system will be all free Unix by next summer - with one possible exception: our secretarial staff complain that they don't have Windows. I'm offering them KDE, a free Windows-like GUI for Unix, and hopefully that will provide what they need. Free Unix has been making huge inroads in academia. New research software now usually appears for Linux before any other platform. TCD's Computer Science department is considering replacing NT file servers with Linux machines - to simplify administration. The successful student Internet societies (e.g. UCD, TCD, UL) all use free Unix to provide services to their members. It isn't just academics either. Oracle and Yahoo use free Unix for their business needs. Closer to home, most (perhaps all?) of the Irish ISPs use free Unix machines as servers. Irish companies like Baltimore, Iona and Nua all use free Unix in their operations. Even the name server for Ireland (.ie domain) is a Linux machine. UNIX isn't quite for everyone - yet. Traditionally Unix has been used for "serious" computing, so there hasn't been the same push to develop user-friendly tools, which are the basis of Mac-OS and Windows. Some people say that learning computers though Windows is like learning phrases of a language but learning through Unix is more like learning the grammar and the individual words. Both approaches have their merits. However, tools to make Unix easy to use are finally available - thanks to the growth of Linux. Free Unix also has a lot to offer those who are just interested in computers: you have a vast selection of free software to play with. This means you can email, browse the Web, write reports and program like everyone else. Naturally, I typed this article on a free Unix machine. You can also "tinker under the hood" as the source code is at hand. This allows you to become part of a world-wide development team - quite exciting for the average hobbyist! (There are a few lines of C code written by me in FreeBSD - something I'm a little proud of.) You might notice I've used the phrase "free Unix". This is because, as well as Linux, there are some versions derived from the original "BSD" Unix. Some people like to argue about which is better - Linux or BSD. Both are admirable pieces of work but they differ slightly. Linux is the most widely used free Unix by a long way. Consequently Linux has the widest hardware support and a good selection of available commercial software (see earlier articles in this series). The BSD people run a smaller operation and provide a single place where you can get everything: software, documentation and source code. BSD is also licensed in such a way that the code can be reused commercially - Apple has used the BSD networking code in their new OS. I'd recommend test driving free Unix to anyone in the computer business. Which free Unix should you choose? Well, what do your friends run? Can the Irish Linux users group help you? The free Unix world is a very interesting place to be. It's a world of rapid and exciting new developments. Some people think that Unix may beat Windows NT at its own game. It hasn't got to the stage where we'll all buy PCs with Linux on them - but now we have a choice. David Malone: dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie Special Offer: Four readers who email Computimes today, with the correct definition of what BSD stands for will receive a free CD of the 2.2.6 release (2.2.7 is the latest) of freeBSD from David Malone. Please put FreeBSD (one word) in the subject field and include your name and address in the body of the message. The four lucky winners will be drawn from the traditional hat. (c) Copyright: The Irish Times Contact: itwired@irish-times.com From owner-freebsd-www Thu Oct 15 02:01:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA25633 for www-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 02:01:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from phmit.demon.co.uk (phmit.demon.co.uk [194.222.15.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA25628 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 02:01:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dom@phmit.demon.co.uk) Received: from voodoo.pandhm.co.uk [10.100.35.12] by phmit.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zTjHo-0005zz-00; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:01:32 +0100 Received: from dom by voodoo.pandhm.co.uk with local (Exim 1.92 #1) for www@freebsd.org id 0zTjHW-0001Oz-00; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:01:14 +0100 To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: New URL for news/press page X-Mailer: nmh v0.26 Organization: Palmer & Harvey McLane Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:01:14 +0100 From: Dom Mitchell Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk http://www.irish-times.com/irish%2Dtimes/paper/1998/1012/cmp2.html -- Dom Mitchell -- Palmer & Harvey McLane -- Unix Systems Administrator "Xerox studies suggest that most people print out electronic mail that is longer than half a page; paper use rises by 40 percent in offices that introduce E-mail." -- CCM From owner-freebsd-www Thu Oct 15 05:34:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA14926 for www-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 05:34:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA14857; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 05:33:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA02092; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:21:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.9.0) id OAA13088; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:21:28 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19981015142127.A12591@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:21:27 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Wolfram Schneider , www@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who disabled my urchin stats? References: <26560.908390332@time.cdrom.com> <794.908391816@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <794.908391816@critter.freebsd.dk>; from Poul-Henning Kamp on Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 09:03:36PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 1998-10-14 21:03:36 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <26560.908390332@time.cdrom.com>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > > >> I disabled the urchin stats Saturday morning because > >> this tool deleted most part of the web log files :-(((( > > Would anybody mind telling me what "urchin" is ? a website and webserver statistics application. See http://www.freebsd.org/statistic/urchin/ -- Wolfram Schneider http://freebsd.org/~w/ From owner-freebsd-www Thu Oct 15 06:09:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA18747 for www-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:09:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA18444; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:07:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA06925; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:07:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Wolfram Schneider cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who disabled my urchin stats? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:49:20 +0200." <19981015144920.A15041@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:07:00 -0700 Message-ID: <6921.908456820@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Jordan, you need a vacation. Perhaps, but the points I expressed in my message remain no less relevant because of it. If you had a problem then you should have sent me mail, not just gone and turned stuff off without even bothering to send me a *single* email about it. Urchin essentially announced itself to www@freebsd.org when I turned it on, so I didn't need to do any more than send a follow-up mail to explain what was going on, and which I did. Email is easy to send and whether I need a vacation or not, the fact that communication is an essential requirement for effective project management, not just for the webmaster but for all our "positions" here, remains unchanged. - Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Thu Oct 15 06:12:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA19213 for www-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:12:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA19201; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:12:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA04797; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:51:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.9.0) id OAA15825; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:51:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19981015145143.C15041@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:51:43 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: jfieber@FreeBSD.ORG, www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [ajk@physics.purdue.edu: Underscores and freebsd.org Search CGI] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from "Andrew J. Korty" ----- Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:30:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew J. Korty" To: wosch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Underscores and freebsd.org Search CGI It doesn't seem possible to search for expressions containing underscores (e.g., xpt_done) on http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html. It would be really nice if this functionality could be added, since people probably often want to search for symbol names and such. Thanks ... Andrew J. Korty, Director http://www.physics.purdue.edu/~ajk/ Physics Computer Network 85 73 1F 04 63 D9 9D 65 Purdue University 65 2E 7A A8 81 8C 45 75 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Wolfram Schneider http://freebsd.org/~w/ From owner-freebsd-www Thu Oct 15 06:15:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA19503 for www-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:15:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA19223; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:12:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA04559; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:49:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.9.0) id OAA15644; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:49:21 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19981015144920.A15041@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:49:20 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who disabled my urchin stats? References: <19981014161618.A15520@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <26560.908390332@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <26560.908390332@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 11:38:52AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan, you need a vacation. Wolfram On 1998-10-14 11:38:52 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I disabled the urchin stats Saturday morning because > > this tool deleted most part of the web log files :-(((( > > You should have talked to me - we could have looked into your claims > more thoroughly. I've already been running urchin here in test > mode and it's been working fine; www.freebsd.org is NOT the first > urchin test site, contrary to your belief. > > > Jordan started the urchin stats as root (!!!) from /etc/crontab > > every day at 0:00. The urchin scripts also runs a > > own log file rotation script ;-{ > > They're supposed to run as root. > > > At 4:00 the webmaster do the standard log file rotation. The > > result of the log rotation script clash are mostly empty > > log files. All entries between 04:00 and 24:00 are deleted. > > No thank you! > > I can disable the rotation - you never even mentioned it as a problem > before now so I didn't do so. > > > Log file rotation and log file analyzing are two different things. > > The log file rotation script *must* run once a day as root. Analyzing > > tools are optional software. They should never be started as root!! > > This needs to run as root. > > > As I already you told, www.freebsd.org is our production server. > > Don't run test software on www.freebsd.org! Don't do it as root!! > > This needs to run as root. > > > If you want perform test copy the log files to bento.freebsd.org > > and run the scripts at bento. > > I've already run tests here. Since you refuse to even communicate > with me, how was I supposed to know that it was causing problems > on www.freebsd.org? > > > This is the second case where a Core Team member used his root > > privileges to break into the web server - without talking to me > > directly. And I have to fix the bugs ... > > If you had bothered to COMMUNICATE about this yourself, we wouldn't > have gotten to this state at all. It has always been occasionally > necessary for others to do web-oriented things on our machines and the > webmaster doesn't have an exclusive monopoly on this, just as others > occasionally jump in on postmaster issues or system admin tasks. You > being the primary contact does not absolve you from working with > others in the project and I expect you to communicate with others > here. I never made any secret of the urchin stats or what I was doing > with them, but you made a secret of the problems it was causing and > now we're yelling at eachother. Either be more willing to communicate > with others over issues like this in the future or realize that maybe > you're not the right choice for webmaster. Nobody gets to run their > piece like a fiefdom and you are expected to communicate with others > when problems arise, not just run around disabling stuff for reasons > known only to you. > > - Jordan -- Wolfram Schneider http://freebsd.org/~w/ From owner-freebsd-www Thu Oct 15 06:46:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA22817 for www-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:46:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from gatekeeper.salestech.com (gatekeeper.salestech.com [198.153.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA22812 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:46:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from MillikS@salestech.com) Received: from [162.44.80.67] by gatekeeper.salestech.com for id JAA19295; Thu Oct 15 09:46:32 1998 Received: by STIUSATLCX1.salestech.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <4QY4LDZT>; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:46:31 -0400 Message-ID: <7B62F9E0DD56D111AADB006097A52FCC0465B0@STIUSATLCX1.salestech.com> Subject: Another FreeBSD mention in the press Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:46:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain To: "'www@freebsd.org'" From: "Milliken, Scott" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You might want to add a link to this article that talks about FreeBSD, Linux, and OS/2 as alternatives to NT. http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/news/0,4538,342752,00.html Scott Milliken From owner-freebsd-www Thu Oct 15 06:51:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23550 for www-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:51:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA23526 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:51:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA07885; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:13:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.9.0) id PAA17705; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:13:50 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19981015151349.A17656@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:13:49 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: Dom Mitchell , www@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: eps@sirius.com Subject: Re: New URL for news/press page References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: ; from Dom Mitchell on Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 10:01:14AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Added, thanks! Wolfram On 1998-10-15 10:01:14 +0100, Dom Mitchell wrote: > http://www.irish-times.com/irish%2Dtimes/paper/1998/1012/cmp2.html > -- > Dom Mitchell -- Palmer & Harvey McLane -- Unix Systems Administrator > "Xerox studies suggest that most people print out electronic mail > that is longer than half a page; paper use rises by 40 percent in > offices that introduce E-mail." -- CCM -- Wolfram Schneider http://freebsd.org/~w/ From owner-freebsd-www Thu Oct 15 08:53:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11485 for www-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:53:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11480 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:53:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16046; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:52:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:52:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: "Milliken, Scott" cc: "'www@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Another FreeBSD mention in the press In-Reply-To: <7B62F9E0DD56D111AADB006097A52FCC0465B0@STIUSATLCX1.salestech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Milliken, Scott wrote: > You might want to add a link to this article that talks about FreeBSD, > Linux, and OS/2 as alternatives to NT. > > http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/news/0,4538,342752,00.html Crikey, Brett Glass must have converted the entire Sm@art Reseller crew! We need to exploit our new 'promotional vehicle'... >>:-> Doug White Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | www.freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-www Fri Oct 16 14:08:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15484 for www-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:08:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from pip.pocketscience.com ([209.24.64.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA15384 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:07:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from notgod@notgod.com) Received: from notgod.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pip.pocketscience.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16820 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:07:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from notgod@notgod.com) Message-ID: <3627B579.65C605F9@notgod.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:07:05 -0700 From: Brian Nelson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: webmastering.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I hear from jkh that you may need some assistance. I don't have tons of time, but I have developed some perl tools that may be helpful... document indexing scripts and the like. Let me know if you want any help. If anything, I am a warm body that can post documents, etc. -Brian From owner-freebsd-www Sat Oct 17 01:21:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA13983 for www-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:21:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA13970 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:21:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id KAA07670 for www@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 10:21:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00854 for www@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:48:06 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from wosch) Message-ID: <19981017014804.A338@panke.de.freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:48:04 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [cyber@intervisual.dk: Regarding FreeBSD website] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from cyber ----- From: "cyber" To: Subject: Regarding FreeBSD website Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 23:13:51 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Hi I just looked at your website, which i actually have done a few times, but i really think that you should do somethign with the design. Make a little more apealing to people. The thing i was wondering if you where interested in maybe having me design a new looking FreeBSD website for you. For free ofcoruse since it goes to a good course, namely promoting FreeBSD. I can tell you a little about myself. My name is Michael and i'm a prof. webdeveloper with more than 2 years of experince. I currently work for a company called Intervisual Design. Well, i'm looking forward to your answer. Sincerely Michael ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.freebsd.org/~w/ From owner-freebsd-www Sat Oct 17 11:42:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09945 for www-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:42:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09903 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:41:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24477; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:41:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:41:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Wolfram Schneider cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [cyber@intervisual.dk: Regarding FreeBSD website] In-Reply-To: <19981017014804.A338@panke.de.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 17 Oct 1998, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > I just looked at your website, which i actually have done a few times, > but i really think that you should do somethign with the design. Make > a little more apealing to people. I don't know, I think it looks pretty good now, athough it's time to rotate the front page articles. > The thing i was wondering if you where interested in maybe having me > design a new looking FreeBSD website for you. For free ofcoruse since > it goes to a good course, namely promoting FreeBSD. By all means! Build up a prototype somewhere and point us at it. Don't forget to change the subpages to mesh with the rest of the design (you don't have to change *everything*, just enough to give us the flavor). My only gripes are: . Keep the animated GIFs down. . Make sure it's operable under Lynx, ie no fancy java navigators and no sound. :) Doug White Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | www.freebsd.org