From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jan 3 10:30:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22038 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 10:30:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22033 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 10:30:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20184; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA25458; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:28:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:28:54 -0500 (EST) To: Jim King Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVSup / Modula-3 In-Reply-To: <199901020516.XAA18922@oasis.zycor.lgc.com> References: <199901020516.XAA18922@oasis.zycor.lgc.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13967.46386.104900.338259@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jim King writes: > Is anybody working on these? (Just curious...) > > Jim This may not be what you're looking for, but the Digital UNIX cvsup binary from http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~nanbor/CVSUP/cvsup-15.2-client-alpha.osf4.0b.tar.gz appears to at least partially work with the recently posted osf1 emulator. I keep my source tree on an x86, so I haven't tried to use it for real, but I did get most of the way through a ports extraction. If you're interested in using it, you'll need to have a few things below /compat/osf1 (but not shared libs since its static). I'll see if I can put together a tarball of files you'll need to have in order to run this and other static osf/1 binaries.. Cheers, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jan 3 20:09:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA19049 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 20:09:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from delsol.sunfire.net (delsol.sunfire.net [206.24.0.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA19044 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 20:09:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from afurman@delsol.sunfire.net) Received: (qmail 14073 invoked by uid 1001); 4 Jan 1999 04:09:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 23:09:08 -0500 From: Adam Furman To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD and AlphaStation 200 Message-ID: <19990103230600.A14013@delsol.sunfire.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i Received: (qmail 14031 invoked by uid 1001); 4 Jan 1999 04:06:00 -0000 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would like to know how FreeBSD 3.0 w/Alpha Support works with the ALphaStation 200. I'm a big FreeBSD fan and would like to use FreeBSD over Linux. My main think I'm using the box is for DNS, Mail, and Some Web. I need to have X support and must have Netscape. Please let me know if I should use FreeBSD and if so does Netscape work. Thanks Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jan 4 07:49:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA28356 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:49:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA28351 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:49:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00299; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:49:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA27328; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:48:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:48:19 -0500 (EST) To: Jim King Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVSup / Modula-3 In-Reply-To: <199901041308.HAA26303@oasis.zycor.lgc.com> References: <199901020516.XAA18922@oasis.zycor.lgc.com> <13967.46386.104900.338259@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <199901041308.HAA26303@oasis.zycor.lgc.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13968.57734.122334.107725@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jim King writes: > > OK, if you have time to put together a tarball I'll give it a whirl. (I > don't have any OSF/1 or DU boxes.) Thanks! > > Jim Hmm.. I just played with it again & was able to fetch the entire ports tree.. I've made available 2 new files for you: ftp://ftp.cs.duke.edu/pub/gallatin/osf1-diffs - a few diffs to apply to your kernel sources before building & loading osf1 emulator ftp://ftp.cs.duke.edu/pub/gallatin/compat-osf.tar.gz - /compat/osf1 'tree' -- actually just etc/svc.conf, osf1's equivalent to /etc/hosts.conf. Extract into your root directory. This is in addition to the emulator itself at: ftp://ftp.cs.duke.edu/pub/gallatin/osf1.tar.gz Let me know if it works for you. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jan 4 11:28:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22194 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:28:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22189 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:28:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08083; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:27:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA24280; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:27:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:27:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901041927.LAA24280@vashon.polstra.com> To: king@sstar.com Subject: Re: CVSup / Modula-3 Newsgroups: polstra.freebsd.alpha In-Reply-To: <199901020516.XAA18922@oasis.zycor.lgc.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <199901020516.XAA18922@oasis.zycor.lgc.com>, Jim King wrote: > Is anybody working on these? (Just curious...) Yes, I've been working on a port. But I ran into code generator problems and then got side-tracked by the holidays. No ETA at this point. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." -- H. L. Mencken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jan 4 14:09:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12163 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:09:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12157 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:09:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15904; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:09:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd015824; Mon Jan 4 15:08:57 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19419; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:08:46 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199901042208.PAA19419@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: time_t and clock_t To: don@calis.BlackSun.org (Don) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 22:08:46 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Don" at Dec 24, 98 10:06:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > ... and the 2 cents of mine: > > > > In the year 2038, int will be >= 64 bits anyway (IF we're > > still programming in C by then, which I doubt). So let's > > rather stay compatible and let time_t be an int. In fact, > > we're gonna have problems if it's not an int, because many > > software assumes that it's an int. This might not be good > > style, but it's a fact. > Since we are each giving our 2 cents ... > > Intel is going to Merced soon enough. FreeBSD is going to have to be > ported to Merced too so why not beat the rush and have a fully 64 bit > compatible system. Why should we wait until the last second like all of > the Y2K people did. Let's get the Alpha port using a 64 bit time_t and > this way there will be no worried later on. And if and when Merced comes > out FreeBSD can be a truly 64 bit system ready for the next century. time_t can not be 64 bits until we back out the change that stole the adjacent 32 bits in the time_t values in the FFS inodes to use them for nanoseconds. FFS thought of this problem a *long* time ago, and solved it, but some interloper used the space reserved for solving this problem without reformatting disks without thinking about the consequences. If nanoseconds are needed (they aren't; that's why the kernel clock curtime is a monoclock), then they are *only* needed on the modification time (used by "make" and other dependency calculation related code), and they certainly aren't needed to be adjacent (wrong word order for that), so one of the 16 bit spare fields is sufficient. To be "year 2038 compliant", you must solve the on disk representation problem, not just the in-core representation problem. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jan 5 12:30:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03148 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:30:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03127 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:30:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA21975 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:30:08 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:30:08 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: missing help files? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ld -o loader.sym -M -e start -N -Ttext 0x2000c000 start.o setdef0.o main.o conf.o bcache.o boot.o commands.o console.o devopen.o interp.o interp_backslash.o interp_parse.o load_aout.o load_elf.o ls.o misc.o module.o panic.o setdef1.o vers.o -lstand /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/sys/boot/alpha/boot2/../libalpha/libalpha.a -lstand >/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/sys/boot/alpha/boot2/loader.list make: don't know how to make help.alpha. Stop My buildworlds have failed because of this. Anyone own this? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jan 5 12:45:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04773 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:45:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04766 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:45:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00720; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:41:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199901052041.MAA00720@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: mjacob@feral.com cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: missing help files? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 Jan 1999 12:30:08 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 12:41:47 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > ld -o loader.sym -M -e start -N -Ttext 0x2000c000 start.o setdef0.o > main.o conf.o bcache.o boot.o commands.o console.o devopen.o interp.o > interp_backslash.o interp_parse.o load_aout.o load_elf.o ls.o misc.o > module.o panic.o setdef1.o vers.o -lstand > /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/sys/boot/alpha/boot2/../libalpha/libalpha.a -lstand > >/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/sys/boot/alpha/boot2/loader.list > make: don't know how to make help.alpha. Stop > > > My buildworlds have failed because of this. Anyone own this? My error, I'll commit a null one right now. It will need to grow alpha-specfic commands and help at some stage. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 6 11:50:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28228 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:50:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28206; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:50:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA54463; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:54:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:54:34 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: ports@FreeBSD.ORG cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Iprobe: Alpha performance tool (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is someone interested in this? It's a performance meter for the Alpha processor, it's GPL so it's probably good for the ports. Alfred Perlstein - Programmer, HotJobs Inc. - www.hotjobs.com -- There are operating systems, and then there's FreeBSD. -- http://www.freebsd.org/ 3.0-current ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:35:27 -0500 (EST) From: Phillip Ezolt To: egcs@cygnus.com Subject: Iprobe: Alpha performance tool Hi all, I just posted this to the Linux kernel-developement list, and people might find it useful here too. This is the package we use to find bottlenecks in Digital Unix (amoung other things). We have used it internally for 4-5 years on DU/VMS/NT. My job was to port it to Alpha/Linux. It is released under the GPL. It can be used to find where system/board cache misses occur, where cycles are spent, and more. This could be used to determine how well egcs manages the Alpha's cache. --Phil Digital/Compaq: High Performance Servers/Benchmark Performance Engineering Phillip.Ezolt@compaq.com ezolt@perf.zko.dec.com What? ----- Compaq/Digital's High Performance Servers/Benchmark Performance Engineering presents: The Iprobe tool suite (4.0) for Alpha/Linux. When? ----- Date: 1/6/99 How? --- LICENSE: GPL. Who? ---- Contact: Phillip.Ezolt@compaq.com or ezolt@perf.zko.dec.com What is iprobe? --------------- It is a little-known fact that the Compaq Alpha processor has some nifty on-chip performance hardware that can be used to find bottlenecks in program code. Iprobe gives the user access to this hardware. Iprobe is a low-overhead tool suite that uses the Alpha event counters to find performance bottlenecks in kernel and user space. The iprobe suite allows one to pinpoint problem code. It can not only determine where a program is spending its cycles, but it can also figure out where caches misses and floating point instructions occur as well. Iprobe can help to answer the following questions: Where is my program missing the cache? Where is my program spending all of its cycles? Which branch path is taken most often? Internally, Iprobe has been used to optimize performance in benchmarks (SPEC CPU95), operating systems (VMS, Digital Unix, Windows NT) and databases. (Oracle, and Informix) Iprobe has traditionally be a cross-platform alpha tool. It runs on Digital Unix, Open VMS, and Windows NT, and it is now being released under GPL for Alpha/Linux. Who can run it? --------------- The iprobe suite should run on all Alpha machines created prior to the EV6. Currently, it has been tested successfully on all Alpha/Linux machines that boot using the Digital SRM and aboot. It may NOT run on machines running MILO. For those that use MILO, iprobe MAY work. The AlphaStation 250 is known to work, but not the AlphaStation 500. Jay Estabrook (the MILO guru) is looking into this matter, and should have an updated MILO for those that need it RSN (real soon now). Iprobe also requires a kernel >2.1.132. Any 2.2.X kernels should work. Where do I get it? ------------------ Iprobe is availbe at: metalab.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/Incoming Soon to be in: metalab.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/devel The suite consists of two required parts, and a third which is optional: 1) A kernel driver (iprobe_suite-4.0-driver.o.gz) This has been compiled for your convenience. The source is availbe in the rpm/tarball with the source for the rest of the suite, but it must be compiled against a kernel with performance counter support, so for ease of use, a binary driver is provided. 2) Application Suite (iprobe_suite-4.0-1.alpha.rpm) These are all the applications that actually use the performance counters. Instruction on their use is provided within. 3) Source (iprobe_suite-4.0-1.src.rpm) This is the source for all of the above. How do I install? ----------------- You need both the rpm and the kernel module. One will NOT work without the other. Get these files: iprobe_suite-4.0-driver.o.gz iprobe_suite-4.0-1.alpha.rpm Once you get the rpm, simply type rpm -i iprobe_suite-4.0-1.alpha.rpm You will also need to unzip and insert the kernel module. More information is available in the INSTALL document. *******IMPORTANT************ Documentation will be installed in /usr/doc/iprobe_suite-4.0/ Read INSTALL for instructions on installing the suite. Read TUTORIAL for instructions on using the suite. If you don't read this, it will NOT work, and you will be frustrated. What else? --------- We are currently looking for an external site to host a web page for to host information/howtos and success stories on. If any one is interested, email ezolt@perf.zko.dec.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 6 12:10:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01359 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:10:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01330; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA13878; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:09:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA55974; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:08:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:08:29 -0500 (EST) To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: ports@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Iprobe: Alpha performance tool (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13971.49021.374030.255921@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alfred Perlstein writes: > > Is someone interested in this? It's a performance meter for the Alpha > processor, it's GPL so it's probably good for the ports. > >From a quick glance at tutorial that comes with the source, I'd say that this sounds *VERY* much like DCPI. (http://www.research.digital.com/SRC/dcpi/) If so, I'm very interested. Our research group has been using DCPI for quite some time & has become quite dependent on it. I may be able to convince my boss to let me port this during normal working hours.. Let me look at the source a bit more & see if I can get official blessing to work on this. cheers, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 6 12:13:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01887 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:13:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01881; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:13:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA54491; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:17:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:17:52 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: Andrew Gallatin cc: ports@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Iprobe: Alpha performance tool (fwd) In-Reply-To: <13971.49021.374030.255921@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Is someone interested in this? It's a performance meter for the Alpha > > processor, it's GPL so it's probably good for the ports. > > > > >From a quick glance at tutorial that comes with the source, I'd say > that this sounds *VERY* much like DCPI. > (http://www.research.digital.com/SRC/dcpi/) If so, I'm very > interested. Our research group has been using DCPI for quite some > time & has become quite dependent on it. I may be able to convince my > boss to let me port this during normal working hours.. > > Let me look at the source a bit more & see if I can get official > blessing to work on this. > > cheers, > > Drew Awesome, good to hear. I will cease and desist cross-posting at this point. (sorry) Alfred Perlstein - Programmer, HotJobs Inc. - www.hotjobs.com -- There are operating systems, and then there's FreeBSD. -- http://www.freebsd.org/ 3.0-current To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 6 12:34:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05141 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:34:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silver.gn.iaf.nl (silver.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05113 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:34:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by silver.gn.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA19226; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:30:24 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA13976 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:57:39 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id UAA25837; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:40:22 +0100 (CET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199901061940.UAA25837@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: help with Aspen Alpine SRM console firmware To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD-alpha mailing list), port-alpha@netbsd.org (port-alpha list NetBSD) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:40:22 +0100 (CET) X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Sorry for an out-of-band question: I recently obtained an Aspen Alpine alpha mainboard. Unfortunately with ARC firmware installed.. I'm looking for someone who has a spare SRM console EPROM from said Alpine board lying around. Please reply in private email, don't clutter the lists. Thanks, Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 6 20:40:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01105 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:40:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (dryad.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.156.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01067; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:39:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.156.43]) by mail.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.8.6/3.4Wbeta6-SAT1.0) with ESMTP id NAA15374; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:39:29 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: from localhost by ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.8.8/sat-V0.6) id NAA01836; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:39:28 +0900 (JST) To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Mesa3 on alpha X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7:#j7i14gu$ jgR\S*&C3R/pJX Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 13:39:28 +0900 From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 69 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have a difficulty with compiling Mesa3 port on alpha. (Now, 47 ports depend on Mesa3!) gcc -c -I. -I../include -O2 -fPIC -pedantic -I/usr/X11R6/include -DSHM -DHZ=100 readpix.c -o readpix.o gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 6 *** Error code 1 Because stock cc (with and without Doug's patch) sometimes die when we specifies "-O" or "-O2". One solution is override CFLAGS not to use -O?, another solution is to use egcs or gcc2.8. I have successed compiling Mesa3 with egcs on my machine. There are many ports which have same cc problem. You can find them at: http://www.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~simokawa/alpha/logs/index.html http://www.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~simokawa/alpha/logs/index2.html (sorted by Reason) The "gcc" in "Reason" fields means this problem. Any comments? The following is the former solution. Index: Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/ports/graphics/Mesa3/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.30 diff -u -r1.30 Makefile --- Makefile 1998/11/11 05:37:18 1.30 +++ Makefile 1999/01/07 04:37:29 @@ -32,6 +32,11 @@ GLUT_VERSION= 3.7 .endif +.if ${MACHINE_ARCH} == "alpha" +# stock gcc dies with -O? +CFLAGS= -pipe +.endif + do-install: .for file in ${LIBS} ${INSTALL_DATA} ${WRKSRC}/lib/${file}.a ${PREFIX}/lib Index: patches/patch-aa =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/ports/graphics/Mesa3/patches/patch-aa,v retrieving revision 1.16 diff -u -r1.16 patch-aa --- patch-aa 1998/10/03 21:38:11 1.16 +++ patch-aa 1999/01/07 04:37:30 @@ -24,7 +24,7 @@ + "GLU_LIB = libMesaGLU.a" \ + "GLUT_LIB = libglut.a" \ + "CC = gcc" \ -+ "CFLAGS = -O2 -fPIC -pedantic -I/usr/X11R6/include -DSHM -DHZ=100" \ ++ "CFLAGS = ${CFLAGS} -fPIC -pedantic -I/usr/X11R6/include -DSHM -DHZ=100" \ + "MAKELIB = ../mklib.freebsd" \ + "XLIBS = -Wl,-rpath,${X11BASE}/lib -L${X11BASE}/lib -lXext -lXmu -lXi -lX11" + /\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa \/ simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp PGP public key: finger -l simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jan 7 06:47:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24770 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:47:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24747; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:47:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA19818; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:47:29 GMT Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:47:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mesa3 on alpha In-Reply-To: <19990107133928S.simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > Hi, > > I have a difficulty with compiling Mesa3 port on alpha. > (Now, 47 ports depend on Mesa3!) > > gcc -c -I. -I../include -O2 -fPIC -pedantic -I/usr/X11R6/include -DSHM -DHZ=100 readpix.c -o readpix.o > gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 6 > *** Error code 1 > > Because stock cc (with and without Doug's patch) sometimes die > when we specifies "-O" or "-O2". > > One solution is override CFLAGS not to use -O?, another solution is > to use egcs or gcc2.8. I have successed compiling Mesa3 with egcs on my > machine. > > There are many ports which have same cc problem. > You can find them at: > > http://www.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~simokawa/alpha/logs/index.html > http://www.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~simokawa/alpha/logs/index2.html > (sorted by Reason) > > The "gcc" in "Reason" fields means this problem. > > Any comments? I think that the right way to go here is to change system compilers to something more modern but that would be fairly hard :-) How hard would it be to make Mesa3 depend on the egcs port? For what its worth, RedHat 5.0 (which used gcc 2.7.2.3) built Mesa without optimisations. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jan 7 07:56:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01417 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:56:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from trantor.sc.metrolink.com (trantor.sc.metrolink.com [209.12.162.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01410; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:56:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@metrolink.com) Received: from trantor.sc.metrolink.com (trantor.sc.metrolink.com [209.12.162.18]) by trantor.sc.metrolink.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA10094; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:56:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from anderson@metrolink.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:56:12 -0500 (EST) From: Stuart Anderson X-Sender: anderson@trantor.sc.metrolink.com To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mesa3 on alpha In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > I think that the right way to go here is to change system compilers to > something more modern but that would be fairly hard :-) How hard would it > be to make Mesa3 depend on the egcs port? > > For what its worth, RedHat 5.0 (which used gcc 2.7.2.3) built Mesa without > optimisations. Does it run OK? When porting OpenGL, I found that egcs was the only compiler that would generate correct code for the Alpha. The others would always end up SIGFPEs. Stuart Stuart R. Anderson anderson@metrolink.com Metro Link Incorporated South Carolina Office 4711 North Powerline Road 105 Fox Ridge Run Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33309 Lexington, SC 29072 voice: 954.938.0283 voice: 803.951.3630 fax: 954.938.1982 SkyTel: 800.405.3401 http://www.metrolink.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jan 7 08:45:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06534 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:45:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06528; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:45:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA20158; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:46:22 GMT Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:46:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Stuart Anderson cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mesa3 on alpha In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Stuart Anderson wrote: > On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > > > I think that the right way to go here is to change system compilers to > > something more modern but that would be fairly hard :-) How hard would it > > be to make Mesa3 depend on the egcs port? > > > > For what its worth, RedHat 5.0 (which used gcc 2.7.2.3) built Mesa without > > optimisations. > > Does it run OK? When porting OpenGL, I found that egcs was the only compiler > that would generate correct code for the Alpha. The others would always > end up SIGFPEs. It seems to run most of the tests ok (built non-optimised) but I can't claim to have actually tested it much. It probably needs to be built with the software completion flags (-mtrap-precision=i -mfp-trap-mode=su) since I can imagine generating a few denormalised numbers when rasterising a few pathological triangles. In alpha code, strange SIGFPEs often mean that your program needs software completion since the chip won't perform calculations which either use or generate non-finite or denormalised numbers. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jan 7 10:27:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17893 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:27:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17885; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:27:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA12505; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:27:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd012472; Thu Jan 7 11:27:06 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14002; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:27:04 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199901071827.LAA14002@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Mesa3 on alpha To: dfr@nlsystems.com (Doug Rabson) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:27:04 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Doug Rabson" at Jan 7, 99 02:47:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I think that the right way to go here is to change system compilers to > something more modern but that would be fairly hard :-) How hard would it > be to make Mesa3 depend on the egcs port? I don't know. Doe the C++ include path still get set back to the system compiler instead of the correct ports compiler directory if "DESTDIR" is set? I haven't seen any commits to the .mk files to change the stupid assumptions from last year that the compilation environment has a dependency on the host environment (which it doesn't) and instead depends on the target (which it does). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jan 7 10:46:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA20008 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:46:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from trantor.sc.metrolink.com (trantor.sc.metrolink.com [209.12.162.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20003; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:46:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@metrolink.com) Received: from trantor.sc.metrolink.com (trantor.sc.metrolink.com [209.12.162.18]) by trantor.sc.metrolink.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA17687; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:45:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from anderson@metrolink.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:45:36 -0500 (EST) From: Stuart Anderson X-Sender: anderson@trantor.sc.metrolink.com To: Doug Rabson cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mesa3 on alpha In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > > Does it run OK? When porting OpenGL, I found that egcs was the only compiler > > that would generate correct code for the Alpha. The others would always > > end up SIGFPEs. > > It seems to run most of the tests ok (built non-optimised) but I can't > claim to have actually tested it much. It probably needs to be built with > the software completion flags (-mtrap-precision=i -mfp-trap-mode=su) since > I can imagine generating a few denormalised numbers when rasterising a few > pathological triangles. > > In alpha code, strange SIGFPEs often mean that your program needs software > completion since the chip won't perform calculations which either use or > generate non-finite or denormalised numbers. I found that even with these flags, a few incorrect instructions were generated by gcc 8-(. Stuart Stuart R. Anderson anderson@metrolink.com Metro Link Incorporated South Carolina Office 4711 North Powerline Road 105 Fox Ridge Run Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33309 Lexington, SC 29072 voice: 954.938.0283 voice: 803.951.3630 fax: 954.938.1982 SkyTel: 800.405.3401 http://www.metrolink.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jan 7 11:22:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23683 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:22:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23677 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:21:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA14761; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:21:29 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:21:29 -0600 (CST) From: Steve Price To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG cc: cejkar@dcse.fee.vutbr.cz Subject: strip path from __progname In-Reply-To: <199901071848.TAA27000@kazi.dcse.fee.vutbr.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All, Does anyone have a problem with me committing the attached patch to fixup FreeBSD-Alpha like the i386-{elf|aout} side of the house wrt to stripping the path from __progname? Thanks, Steve Index: crt1.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/lib/csu/alpha/crt1.c,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 crt1.c --- crt1.c 1998/08/20 21:37:22 1.2 +++ crt1.c 1999/01/07 19:17:16 @@ -80,8 +80,12 @@ argv = ap + 1; env = ap + 2 + argc; environ = env; - if(argc > 0) - __progname = argv[0]; + if(argc > 0 && argv[0] != NULL) { + char *s; + for (s = __progname; *s != '\0'; s++) + if (*s == '/') + __progname = s + 1; + } if (&_DYNAMIC != NULL) { if ((obj == NULL) || (obj->magic != RTLD_MAGIC)) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jan 7 11:40:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25692 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:40:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25687 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:40:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA26428; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:39:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA40966; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:39:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:39:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901071939.LAA40966@vashon.polstra.com> To: sprice@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: strip path from __progname Newsgroups: polstra.freebsd.alpha In-Reply-To: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article , Steve Price wrote: > Hi All, > > Does anyone have a problem with me committing the attached > patch to fixup FreeBSD-Alpha like the i386-{elf|aout} side > of the house wrt to stripping the path from __progname? Do it. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." -- H. L. Mencken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jan 7 13:31:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA10877 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:31:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silver.gn.iaf.nl (silver.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA10838 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:30:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by silver.gn.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA14041 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:30:15 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA30773 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org); Thu, 7 Jan 1999 21:34:56 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id VAA02266 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 21:22:56 +0100 (CET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199901072022.VAA02266@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: horrible hack / SRM console To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD-alpha mailing list) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 21:22:56 +0100 (CET) X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there, As Aspen Tech support refered me to Aspen Tech sales for a SRM ROM and Aspen Tech sales does not seem to read email I decided to bluntly dump an EB64plus SRM console ROM into the Aspen Alpine board. Surprise: seems to work.. The Alpine does not have an ethernet i/f onboard, the EB64+ does (it seems, I've never seen one in real life) but the SRM does not seem to care too much. Digital Unix collapses with a panic though.. when I try to boot an install CD. Anyway: FreeBSD does not know about EB64+ (yet). I tried the Dec 12(?) snapshot and the whole boot process works until it tells me to build a kernel with "options DEC_EB64PLUS". Sofar, so good. I obviously want to play around a bit more, and I wonder how I can create Alpha kernels for a boot floppy. Is adding: options MFS #Memory Filesystem options MFS_ROOT #Memory Filesystem as rootfs sufficient? It looks like: ./dokern.sh <../../sys/alpha/conf/GENERIC produces what I need (I hope).. This BOOTMFS kernel config file can then be used to compile an experimental kernel, right? NB interestingly enough the latest Netbsd/alpha snap that should work with EB64+ does not even boot into the kernel (it appears). It dies after "Jumping to entry point". Halt code 5. NB2 If anybody can help me to real SRM for the Alpine please tell me. I might be chasing something really unsupported ;-) Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 8 02:00:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA01925 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 02:00:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA01920 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 02:00:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: (from jkh@localhost) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA72341 for alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 01:59:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 01:59:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199901080959.BAA72341@zippy.cdrom.com> To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 3.0-19990107-SNAP on ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/alpha Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I believe that this is the first snapshot that actually works in the sense that sysinstall won't have a stuck keyboard 7 times out of 10 and the boot blocks / disk labels will be written out correctly for a success-on-first-boot sort of experience. Thanks to Doug, as usual, for the changes to sysinstall and libdisk. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 8 10:30:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03452 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:30:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silver.gn.iaf.nl (silver.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03440 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:30:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by silver.gn.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA31127 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:30:22 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA03253 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org); Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:38:52 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id SAA03748; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:00:38 +0100 (CET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199901081700.SAA03748@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: horrible hack / SRM console In-Reply-To: From wilko at "Jan 7, 99 09:22:55 pm" To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (wilko) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:00:38 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As wilko wrote... > As Aspen Tech support refered me to Aspen Tech sales for a SRM ROM > and Aspen Tech sales does not seem to read email I decided to bluntly > dump an EB64plus SRM console ROM into the Aspen Alpine board. > > Surprise: seems to work.. The Alpine does not have an ethernet i/f onboard, > the EB64+ does (it seems, I've never seen one in real life) but the SRM > does not seem to care too much. Digital Unix collapses with a panic > though.. when I try to boot an install CD. You'd expect I know better after years of hardware hacking but: there was a memory jumper set wrong. The board correctly told me it had 64Mb, but it was set for a single bank 4x16Mb instead of for a dual bank 2x4x8Mb. Both Dunix and NetBSD stopped crashing after the board was setup correctly 8-) I plan to port the NetBSD EB64+ specific bits to FreeBSD/axp (hopefully soon..) Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 8 10:35:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04273 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:35:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from soho.london.virgin.net (soho.london.virgin.net [194.168.38.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04267 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:35:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scot@london.virgin.net) Received: from kirk.london.virgin.net (kirk.london.virgin.net [194.168.38.227]) by soho.london.virgin.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19232 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:35:04 GMT (envelope-from scot@london.virgin.net) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by kirk.london.virgin.net (8.9.1b+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09547 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:35:02 GMT (envelope-from scot@london.virgin.net) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.london.virgin.net: scot owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:35:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Scot Elliott To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: horrible hack / SRM console In-Reply-To: <199901081700.SAA03748@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On the same subject, I'd like to run FreeBSD Alpha on a machine with a 164SX board. It's currently got the NT console installed - and I can't get firmware updated from DEC to work. The machine just hangs after a minute or so of accessing the floppy disk for the image. Does this mean that I have to get hold of a firwmare chip with the SRM on it - and if so, does anyone know of any UK suppliers, as even DEC don't know what I'm talking about when I call them... Thanks. Scot. On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > As wilko wrote... > > > As Aspen Tech support refered me to Aspen Tech sales for a SRM ROM > > and Aspen Tech sales does not seem to read email I decided to bluntly > > dump an EB64plus SRM console ROM into the Aspen Alpine board. > > > > Surprise: seems to work.. The Alpine does not have an ethernet i/f onboard, > > the EB64+ does (it seems, I've never seen one in real life) but the SRM > > does not seem to care too much. Digital Unix collapses with a panic > > though.. when I try to boot an install CD. > > You'd expect I know better after years of hardware hacking but: there was > a memory jumper set wrong. The board correctly told me it had 64Mb, but it > was set for a single bank 4x16Mb instead of for a dual bank 2x4x8Mb. > > Both Dunix and NetBSD stopped crashing after the board was setup correctly > 8-) > > I plan to port the NetBSD EB64+ specific bits to FreeBSD/axp (hopefully > soon..) > > Wilko > _ ______________________________________________________________________ > | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl > |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl > ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott Mobile: +44 (0)7050 126045 Work: scot@london.virgin.net +44 (0)171 479 4482 Play: scot@poptart.org, scot@indiekid.co.uk, s@cx +44 (0)181 896 1019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html Fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 8 10:37:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04591 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:37:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04584 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:37:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA02948; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:36:57 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:36:57 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Scot Elliott cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: horrible hack / SRM console In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a perennial problem. At some point *BSD is going to have to consider how to work under ARC or AlphaBIOS. Probably we'll have to do something akin to MILO. On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Scot Elliott wrote: > On the same subject, I'd like to run FreeBSD Alpha on a machine with a > 164SX board. It's currently got the NT console installed - and I can't > get firmware updated from DEC to work. The machine just hangs after a > minute or so of accessing the floppy disk for the image. > > Does this mean that I have to get hold of a firwmare chip with the SRM > on it - and if so, does anyone know of any UK suppliers, as even DEC don't > know what I'm talking about when I call them... > > > Thanks. > > Scot. > > > > On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > As wilko wrote... > > > > > As Aspen Tech support refered me to Aspen Tech sales for a SRM ROM > > > and Aspen Tech sales does not seem to read email I decided to bluntly > > > dump an EB64plus SRM console ROM into the Aspen Alpine board. > > > > > > Surprise: seems to work.. The Alpine does not have an ethernet i/f onboard, > > > the EB64+ does (it seems, I've never seen one in real life) but the SRM > > > does not seem to care too much. Digital Unix collapses with a panic > > > though.. when I try to boot an install CD. > > > > You'd expect I know better after years of hardware hacking but: there was > > a memory jumper set wrong. The board correctly told me it had 64Mb, but it > > was set for a single bank 4x16Mb instead of for a dual bank 2x4x8Mb. > > > > Both Dunix and NetBSD stopped crashing after the board was setup correctly > > 8-) > > > > I plan to port the NetBSD EB64+ specific bits to FreeBSD/axp (hopefully > > soon..) > > > > Wilko > > _ ______________________________________________________________________ > > | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl > > |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl > > ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Scot Elliott Mobile: +44 (0)7050 126045 > Work: scot@london.virgin.net +44 (0)171 479 4482 > Play: scot@poptart.org, scot@indiekid.co.uk, s@cx +44 (0)181 896 1019 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Public key available at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html > Fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 8 10:54:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07279 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:54:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zephyr.cybercom.net (zephyr.cybercom.net [209.21.146.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07272 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:54:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhuff@cybercom.net) Received: from shell1.cybercom.net (rhuff@shell1.cybercom.net [209.21.136.6]) by zephyr.cybercom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA00160 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:54:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rhuff@localhost) by shell1.cybercom.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01951; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:54:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:54:20 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Huff Message-Id: <199901081854.NAA01951@shell1.cybercom.net> To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: horrible hack / SRM console In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob writes: > This is a perennial problem. At some point *BSD is going to have > to consider how to work under ARC or AlphaBIOS. Last I heard this had been considered and rejected, based on: 1) the lack of difficulty in obtaining a SRM-using board, or installing it afterward. 2) ARC, while technically usable, is clearly The Wrong Choice. Robert Huff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 8 10:58:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07656 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:58:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ics.com (support [140.186.40.192] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07643 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:58:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kaleb@ics.com) Received: from ics.com (sunoco.ics.com [140.186.40.142]) by ics.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id NAA04202 Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:57:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3696551B.84E549C9@ics.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 13:57:32 -0500 From: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" Organization: Integrated Computer Solutions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: horrible hack / SRM console References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob wrote: > > This is a perennial problem. At some point *BSD is going to have to > consider how to work under ARC or AlphaBIOS. Probably we'll have to do > something akin to MILO. I looked at the ARC/MILO setup and someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems the ARC console only groks NTFS. Setting up MILO basically consists of substituting the path to the MILO loader instead of the NTLDR.DLL (or whatever its name is). Meaning you need a way to get an small NTFS partition onto disks. I'm guessing it's a toss-up between which is harder -- installing the SRM firmware or jumping through hoops to put an NTFS partition with MILO on the disk. > On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Scot Elliott wrote: > > > On the same subject, I'd like to run FreeBSD Alpha on a machine with a > > 164SX board. It's currently got the NT console installed - and I can't > > get firmware updated from DEC to work. The machine just hangs after a > > minute or so of accessing the floppy disk for the image. > > > > Does this mean that I have to get hold of a firwmare chip with the SRM > > on it - and if so, does anyone know of any UK suppliers, as even DEC don't > > know what I'm talking about when I call them... -- Kaleb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 8 11:04:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08683 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:04:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08677 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:04:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA03121; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:03:51 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:03:51 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Robert Huff cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: horrible hack / SRM console In-Reply-To: <199901081854.NAA01951@shell1.cybercom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Robert Huff wrote: > > Matthew Jacob writes: > > > This is a perennial problem. At some point *BSD is going to have > > to consider how to work under ARC or AlphaBIOS. > > Last I heard this had been considered and rejected, based on: > > 1) the lack of difficulty in obtaining a SRM-using board, or > installing it afterward. > 2) ARC, while technically usable, is clearly The Wrong Choice. > #2 is the wrong answer. By the same argument, I'd say that 99.5% of the intel based PC motherboards out there are wrong (crappiest engineering since the Pinto) and should just vanish, and I'm going to hold my breath until they do. -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 8 11:04:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08706 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:04:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pike.cdrom.com (pike.cdrom.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08699 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:04:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from murray@cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (murray@localhost) by pike.cdrom.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA14790; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:05:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:05:10 -0800 (PST) From: Murray Stokely To: Robert Huff cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: horrible hack / SRM console In-Reply-To: <199901081854.NAA01951@shell1.cybercom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Robert Huff wrote: % > This is a perennial problem. At some point *BSD is going to have % > to consider how to work under ARC or AlphaBIOS. % % Last I heard this had been considered and rejected, based on: % % 1) the lack of difficulty in obtaining a SRM-using board, or % installing it afterward. Thats bogus because of the large number of DEC systems such as XL's and SX boards that ONLY ship with AlphaBIOS and can not under any circumstances be upgraded to SRM. Right now owners of any of the lower end Alpha workstations from the last few years are completely alienated with FreeBSD. % 2) ARC, while technically usable, is clearly The Wrong Choice. Ugly hack as it may be, MILO works very well for Linux. SRM users in the Linux camp actually seem very few and far between. Murray Stokely To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 8 11:06:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09032 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:06:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pike.cdrom.com (pike.cdrom.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09025 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:06:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from murray@cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (murray@localhost) by pike.cdrom.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA14809; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:07:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:07:14 -0800 (PST) From: Murray Stokely To: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: horrible hack / SRM console In-Reply-To: <3696551B.84E549C9@ics.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Kaleb S. KEITHLEY wrote: % I looked at the ARC/MILO setup and someone will correct me if I'm wrong, % but it seems the ARC console only groks NTFS. Setting up MILO basically % consists of substituting the path to the MILO loader instead of the % NTLDR.DLL (or whatever its name is). It requires a small FAT partition actually, not NTFS. And AlphaBIOS has the partitioning abilities built in to create it for you. And you can not put SRM onto 164SX motherboards. Murray Stokely To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 8 11:06:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09067 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:06:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09059 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:06:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA03143; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:06:13 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:06:13 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: horrible hack / SRM console In-Reply-To: <3696551B.84E549C9@ics.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Kaleb S. KEITHLEY wrote: > Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > This is a perennial problem. At some point *BSD is going to have to > > consider how to work under ARC or AlphaBIOS. Probably we'll have to do > > something akin to MILO. > > I looked at the ARC/MILO setup and someone will correct me if I'm wrong, > but it seems the ARC console only groks NTFS. Setting up MILO basically > consists of substituting the path to the MILO loader instead of the > NTLDR.DLL (or whatever its name is). > > Meaning you need a way to get an small NTFS partition onto disks. I'm > guessing it's a toss-up between which is harder -- installing the SRM > firmware or jumping through hoops to put an NTFS partition with MILO on > the disk. > No, it groks 'DOS'. But here's how this works- you have the normal dos label which we've come to loathe, and you blow one partition (~5MB) to hold the loader. This is a requirement even for NT/Alpha. This is not that onerous. Just stupid. AlphaBIOS may do different- but I don't really know the details. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 8 11:09:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09354 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:09:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from soho.london.virgin.net (soho.london.virgin.net [194.168.38.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09347 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:09:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scot@london.virgin.net) Received: from kirk.london.virgin.net (kirk.london.virgin.net [194.168.38.227]) by soho.london.virgin.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA22238; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:08:40 GMT (envelope-from scot@london.virgin.net) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by kirk.london.virgin.net (8.9.1b+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA05552; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:08:38 GMT (envelope-from scot@london.virgin.net) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.london.virgin.net: scot owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:08:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Scot Elliott To: Murray Stokely cc: Robert Huff , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: horrible hack / SRM console In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've seen documentation (NetBSD site?) than mentions SRM support for 164SX boards... which is why I tried to install DEC's latest firmware for this board... any ideas? Scot. On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Murray Stokely wrote: > On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Robert Huff wrote: > % > This is a perennial problem. At some point *BSD is going to have > % > to consider how to work under ARC or AlphaBIOS. > % > % Last I heard this had been considered and rejected, based on: > % > % 1) the lack of difficulty in obtaining a SRM-using board, or > % installing it afterward. > > Thats bogus because of the large number of DEC systems such as XL's > and SX boards that ONLY ship with AlphaBIOS and can not under any > circumstances be upgraded to SRM. Right now owners of any of the > lower end Alpha workstations from the last few years are completely > alienated with FreeBSD. > > % 2) ARC, while technically usable, is clearly The Wrong Choice. > > Ugly hack as it may be, MILO works very well for Linux. SRM users > in the Linux camp actually seem very few and far between. > > Murray Stokely > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott Mobile: +44 (0)7050 126045 Work: scot@london.virgin.net +44 (0)171 479 4482 Play: scot@poptart.org, scot@indiekid.co.uk, s@cx +44 (0)181 896 1019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html Fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 8 11:10:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09630 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:10:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09622 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:10:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA06358; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:09:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901081909.LAA06358@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: Murray Stokely Cc: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: horrible hack / SRM console Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 11:09:26 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:07:14 -0800 (PST) Murray Stokely wrote: > And you can not put SRM onto 164SX motherboards. Funny. I know people who have! :-) Jason R. Thorpe thorpej@nas.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center Home: +1 408 866 1912 NAS: M/S 258-5 Work: +1 650 604 0935 Moffett Field, CA 94035 Pager: +1 650 940 5942 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 8 11:42:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14067 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:42:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pike.cdrom.com (pike.cdrom.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14059 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:42:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from murray@cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (murray@localhost) by pike.cdrom.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA15371; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:43:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:43:12 -0800 (PST) From: Murray Stokely Reply-To: Murray Stokely To: Jason Thorpe cc: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: horrible hack / SRM console In-Reply-To: <199901081909.LAA06358@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Jason Thorpe wrote: % % > And you can not put SRM onto 164SX motherboards. % % Funny. I know people who have! :-) A DEC employee told me otherwise but after searching the net it appears your right. I don't suppose you know a way to get SRM onto XLT systems? I've hearn unsuccessful stories of people trying to flash axppci33 SRM into an XL system, but nothing for the 300mhz XLTs. And the few DEC people I've asked have said its unpossible (possibly just meaning "unsupported"). - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 8 11:50:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15235 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:50:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15230 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:50:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA06735; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:50:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901081950.LAA06735@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: Murray Stokely Cc: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: horrible hack / SRM console Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 11:50:20 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:43:12 -0800 (PST) Murray Stokely wrote: > A DEC employee told me otherwise but after searching the net it > appears your right. I don't suppose you know a way to get SRM onto The trick is a 164sx SRM exists. > XLT systems? I've hearn unsuccessful stories of people trying to > flash axppci33 SRM into an XL system, but nothing for the 300mhz > XLTs. And the few DEC people I've asked have said its unpossible > (possibly just meaning "unsupported"). The XL systems aren't AXPpci33s. The interrupt model is different. Yay DEC! I.e. since there isn't an SRM for them, you can't install SRM on them. An SRM for a different systype just isn't going to work. (Do the XL/XLT systems _even have_ an OSF/1 systype?) Jason R. Thorpe thorpej@nas.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center Home: +1 408 866 1912 NAS: M/S 258-5 Work: +1 650 604 0935 Moffett Field, CA 94035 Pager: +1 650 940 5942 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 8 12:04:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17265 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:04:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17230 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:03:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA23219 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA63505; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:02:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:02:18 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: horrible hack / SRM console In-Reply-To: References: <199901081854.NAA01951@shell1.cybercom.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13974.25363.167762.913345@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Murray Stokely writes: > On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Robert Huff wrote: > % > This is a perennial problem. At some point *BSD is going to have > % > to consider how to work under ARC or AlphaBIOS. > % > % Last I heard this had been considered and rejected, based on: > % > % 1) the lack of difficulty in obtaining a SRM-using board, or > % installing it afterward. > > Thats bogus because of the large number of DEC systems such as XL's > and SX boards that ONLY ship with AlphaBIOS and can not under any > circumstances be upgraded to SRM. Right now owners of any of the > lower end Alpha workstations from the last few years are completely > alienated with FreeBSD. And this is going to become a much bigger issue once all the 164lx boards sell out, as vendors are claiming they will. Samsung's 164lx replacement, the 164ux, apparently works only with AlphaBios. From what I've read, DEC's new low-end 164RX board will lack SRM support as well. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 8 12:10:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18208 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:10:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.netbsd.org (homeworld.redbacknetworks.com [155.53.200.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA18171 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:10:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cgd@netbsd.org) Received: (qmail 25436 invoked by uid 1000); 8 Jan 1999 19:53:45 -0000 To: Murray Stokely Cc: Jason Thorpe , "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: horrible hack / SRM console References: From: cgd@netbsd.org (Chris G. Demetriou) Date: 08 Jan 1999 11:53:45 -0800 In-Reply-To: Murray Stokely's message of Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:43:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <87zp7to81i.fsf@redmail.redback.com> Lines: 25 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Murray Stokely writes: > A DEC employee told me otherwise [ ... ] DEC employees have also claimed that, e.g. newer 3000/300 firmware fails to netboot properly (when it worked just fine before the upgrade, and just fine after a downgrade to the old version) because of a hardware problem... DEC employees have also claimed that some Alpha chips are crippled and incapable of running certain systems (when at least as of the time that I left Digital/Compaq, that wasn't true according to all of the actual hardware and firmware engineers I talked to). I could go on about the list of things that DEC employees have done or said. However, that list above is things which I had knowledge of long before i went to work for them. cgd (former Digit, not speaking for them or telling you anything proprietary about them, and, of course, not hired by them to do anything related to Alpha. 8-) -- Chris Demetriou - cgd@netbsd.org - http://www.netbsd.org/People/Pages/cgd.html Disclaimer: Not speaking for NetBSD, just expressing my own opinion. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 8 13:38:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28765 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:38:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from soho.london.virgin.net (soho.london.virgin.net [194.168.38.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28756 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:37:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ops@london.virgin.net) Received: from london.virgin.net (p263-penguin-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.236.38]) by soho.london.virgin.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03014; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:37:23 GMT (envelope-from ops@london.virgin.net) Message-ID: <36967956.BF46ABE2@london.virgin.net> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 21:32:06 +0000 From: Scot Elliott Organization: Virgin.Net (Operations) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Thorpe , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: horrible hack / SRM console References: <199901081950.LAA06735@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jason Thorpe wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:43:12 -0800 (PST) > Murray Stokely wrote: > > > A DEC employee told me otherwise but after searching the net it > > appears your right. I don't suppose you know a way to get SRM onto > > The trick is a 164sx SRM exists. Yeah... found that. Copied the image onto a disk and did the AlphaBIOS's upgrade-firmware thang. But it doesn't do anything. Can one of you lucky people who's put SRM onto their 164SX let me know what you did? ;) It's a 533Mhz system. Will it support the Matrox card I have or do I have to do it via a serial console? Thanks. Scot. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 8 15:41:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12529 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:41:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12522 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:41:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00929; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:37:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199901082337.PAA00929@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Robert Huff cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: horrible hack / SRM console In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 08 Jan 1999 13:54:20 EST." <199901081854.NAA01951@shell1.cybercom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 15:37:10 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Matthew Jacob writes: > > > This is a perennial problem. At some point *BSD is going to have > > to consider how to work under ARC or AlphaBIOS. > > Last I heard this had been considered and rejected, based on: > > 1) the lack of difficulty in obtaining a SRM-using board, or > installing it afterward. > 2) ARC, while technically usable, is clearly The Wrong Choice. I don't know where you heard this; it's certainly not the case that we would abandon the goal of supporting ARC systems, and I don't think it was ever seriously considered that we would not try to support them. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jan 9 01:14:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01613 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 01:14:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hungry.spb.cityline.ru (hungry.spb.cityline.ru [195.9.214.3] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA01605 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 01:14:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vadik@hungry.spb.cityline.ru) Received: (from vadik@localhost) by hungry.spb.cityline.ru (8.8.8/8.8/CL) id MAA25036; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 12:13:34 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <19990109121333.18835@spb.cityline.ru> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 12:13:33 +0300 From: vadik likholetov To: Scot Elliott Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: horrible hack / SRM console References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Scot Elliott on Fri, Jan 08, 1999 at 07:08:37PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 08, 1999 at 07:08:37PM +0000, Scot Elliott wrote: > boards... which is why I tried to install DEC's latest firmware for this > board... any ideas? It seems to be a faq. you _can_ install it, but you have to get from anywhere, the DEC's firmware update cd is a one place. as for me, I've done the following steps: 1. from ftp://ftp.decsy.ru/alpha/FirmWare/164SX/SRM-T4.9/ I've got the two files: fwupdate.exe and sx164srm.rom feel the difference :-) 2. put it on the blank dos floopy and do the firmware update as usual -- it will do the job 3. update it to the latest version (5.2? 5.3? ?), using the single file update -- now it will work. 4. enjoy :-) ps if there is any FAQ on alpha's freebsd -- this is FAQ question, so put it there. -- vadik likholetov To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jan 9 01:15:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01687 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 01:15:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA01675 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 01:15:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA25046; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:24:17 GMT Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:24:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: horrible hack / SRM console In-Reply-To: <3696551B.84E549C9@ics.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Kaleb S. KEITHLEY wrote: > Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > This is a perennial problem. At some point *BSD is going to have to > > consider how to work under ARC or AlphaBIOS. Probably we'll have to do > > something akin to MILO. > > I looked at the ARC/MILO setup and someone will correct me if I'm wrong, > but it seems the ARC console only groks NTFS. Setting up MILO basically > consists of substituting the path to the MILO loader instead of the > NTLDR.DLL (or whatever its name is). > > Meaning you need a way to get an small NTFS partition onto disks. I'm > guessing it's a toss-up between which is harder -- installing the SRM > firmware or jumping through hoops to put an NTFS partition with MILO on > the disk. To boot from ARC, all we would need is a small FAT filesystem to hold the boot code. We can load bsd kernels from a 'real' filesystem after that. Stefan Esser is actually going to work on this (at least as far as the 'need to figure out the palcode problem' stage). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jan 9 01:30:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03063 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 01:30:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silver.gn.iaf.nl (silver.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA03058 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 01:30:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by silver.gn.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA16759 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:30:13 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA16865 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org); Sat, 9 Jan 1999 09:44:18 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id BAA09214 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 01:24:10 +0100 (CET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199901090024.BAA09214@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: porting to EB64+ / Alpine To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD-alpha mailing list) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 01:24:09 +0100 (CET) X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I hacked a bit on the EB64+ bits taken from NetBSD and I am as far as getting: boot: ethernet address: 00:00:f8:20:7f:45 netbbinfo invalid boot: ethernet address: 00:00:f8:20:7f:45 netbbinfo invalid boot: ethernet address: 00:00:f8:20:7f:45 /kernel data=0x1de1d8+0x27e60 syms=[0x8+0x405d8+0x8+0x2bcd2] Entering kernel at 0xfffffc0000320500... Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #1: Wed Dec 30 22:07:15 CET 1998 root@axp33.iaf.nl:/usr/src/sys/compile/ALPINE EB64+ Alpha 21064A Evaluation Board 274 MHz, 274MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. CPU: EV45 (21064A) major=6 minor=2 OSF PAL rev: 0x100070002012d real memory = 65028096 (63504K bytes) avail memory = 58335232 (56968K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xfffffc0000576000. apecs0: isa0 Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: ncr0: rev 0x01 int a irq 7 on pci0.5.0 de0: rev 0x23 int a irq 0 on pci0.6.0 de0: DEC 21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.3 de0: address 00:00:f8:20:7f:45 vga0: rev 0x16 int a irq 1 on pci0.7.0 chip0: rev 0x03 on pci0.8.0 mcclock0: at port 0x70-0x71 on isa0 sc0 at port 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on isa0 sc0: CGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1: reserved for low-level i/o panic: possible stack overflow panic Stopped at Debugger..ng+0x24: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffc0000578230> db> I have also seen 'panic: clock not attached'. As I'm trying to find my way around in the kernel source tree I appreciate any hints. Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jan 9 04:56:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA26592 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 04:56:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA26568 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 04:56:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA30996; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 12:57:13 GMT Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 12:57:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Wilko Bulte cc: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: porting to EB64+ / Alpine In-Reply-To: <199901090024.BAA09214@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 9 Jan 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > I hacked a bit on the EB64+ bits taken from NetBSD and I am as far as > getting: > > boot: ethernet address: 00:00:f8:20:7f:45 > netbbinfo invalid > boot: ethernet address: 00:00:f8:20:7f:45 > netbbinfo invalid > boot: ethernet address: 00:00:f8:20:7f:45 > /kernel data=0x1de1d8+0x27e60 syms=[0x8+0x405d8+0x8+0x2bcd2] > Entering kernel at 0xfffffc0000320500... > Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. > Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #1: Wed Dec 30 22:07:15 CET 1998 > root@axp33.iaf.nl:/usr/src/sys/compile/ALPINE > EB64+ > Alpha 21064A Evaluation Board 274 MHz, 274MHz > 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. > CPU: EV45 (21064A) major=6 minor=2 > OSF PAL rev: 0x100070002012d > real memory = 65028096 (63504K bytes) > avail memory = 58335232 (56968K bytes) > Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xfffffc0000576000. > apecs0: > isa0 > Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: > ncr0: rev 0x01 int a irq 7 on pci0.5.0 > de0: rev 0x23 int a irq 0 on pci0.6.0 > de0: DEC 21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.3 > de0: address 00:00:f8:20:7f:45 > vga0: rev 0x16 int a irq 1 on pci0.7.0 > chip0: rev 0x03 on pci0.8.0 > mcclock0: at port 0x70-0x71 on isa0 > sc0 at port 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on isa0 > sc0: CGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> > sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa0 > sio0: type 16550A > sio1: reserved for low-level i/o > panic: possible stack overflow > > panic > Stopped at Debugger..ng+0x24: ldq ra,0(sp) > <0xfffffc0000578230> 698b8,sp=0xfffffc0000578230> > db> > > I have also seen 'panic: clock not attached'. As I'm trying to find my way > around in the kernel source tree I appreciate any hints. This usually happens if an interrupt is enabled but not handled. The interrupt exception tries to return but is immediately reentered with a few bytes less stack. You would get the "clock not attached" if mcclock isn't probed properly but I can see that its present in your dmesg. Strange. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jan 9 11:31:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01767 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:31:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silver.gn.iaf.nl (silver.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01758 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:30:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by silver.gn.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA19229; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:30:21 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA08758 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:20:09 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id RAA22522; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:50:47 +0100 (CET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199901091650.RAA22522@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: porting to EB64+ / Alpine In-Reply-To: from Doug Rabson at "Jan 9, 99 12:57:13 pm" To: dfr@nlsystems.com (Doug Rabson) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:50:47 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Doug Rabson wrote... > On Sat, 9 Jan 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > I hacked a bit on the EB64+ bits taken from NetBSD and I am as far as > > getting: > > > > boot: ethernet address: 00:00:f8:20:7f:45 > > netbbinfo invalid > > boot: ethernet address: 00:00:f8:20:7f:45 > > netbbinfo invalid How about this netbbinfo thingy? I now have 10base2 cable in use. Same warning/error. > > sc0 at port 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on isa0 > > sc0: CGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> > > sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa0 > > sio0: type 16550A > > sio1: reserved for low-level i/o > > panic: possible stack overflow > > > > panic > > Stopped at Debugger..ng+0x24: ldq ra,0(sp) > > <0xfffffc0000578230> > 698b8,sp=0xfffffc0000578230> > > db> > > > > I have also seen 'panic: clock not attached'. As I'm trying to find my way > > around in the kernel source tree I appreciate any hints. > > This usually happens if an interrupt is enabled but not handled. The > interrupt exception tries to return but is immediately reentered with a > few bytes less stack. Hmmmm. I'll start digging. > You would get the "clock not attached" if mcclock isn't probed properly > but I can see that its present in your dmesg. Strange. Well, below is an example of this clock not attached thingy. Indeed mcclock is missing this time: boot: ethernet address: 00:00:f8:20:7f:45 /kernel data=0x181ae8+0x24db0 syms=[0x8+0x3b220+0x8+0x2819a] Entering kernel at 0xfffffc000031e2e0... Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #4: Sat Jan 9 11:20:42 CET 1999 root@axp33.iaf.nl:/usr/src/sys/compile/ALPINE EB64+ Alpha 21064A Evaluation Board 274 MHz, 274MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. CPU: EV45 (21064A) major=6 minor=2 OSF PAL rev: 0x100070002012d real memory = 65028096 (63504K bytes) avail memory = 58761216 (57384K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xfffffc000050c000. apecs0: isa0 Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: ncr0: rev 0x01 int a irq 7 on pci0.5.0 de0: rev 0x23 int a irq 0 on pci0.6.0 de0: DEC 21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.3 de0: address 00:00:f8:20:7f:45 vga0: rev 0x16 int a irq 1 on pci0.7.0 chip0: rev 0x03 on pci0.8.0 sc0 at port 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on isa0 sc0: CGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1: reserved for low-level i/o panic: cpu_initclocks: no clock attached panic Stopped at Debugger..ng+0x24: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffc0000511cc0> db> db> The reason for this escapes me at the moment. Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jan 9 11:53:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05525 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:53:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05509 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:52:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA00462; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 19:52:11 GMT Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 19:52:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Wilko Bulte cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: porting to EB64+ / Alpine In-Reply-To: <199901091650.RAA22522@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 9 Jan 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > As Doug Rabson wrote... > > On Sat, 9 Jan 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > > I hacked a bit on the EB64+ bits taken from NetBSD and I am as far as > > > getting: > > > > > > boot: ethernet address: 00:00:f8:20:7f:45 > > > netbbinfo invalid > > > boot: ethernet address: 00:00:f8:20:7f:45 > > > netbbinfo invalid > > How about this netbbinfo thingy? I now have 10base2 cable in use. Same > warning/error. This is normal. The netboot code has vestigial support for embedded addresses (from the NetBSD boot code). This message is printed if the embedded information isn't valid. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jan 9 14:31:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23516 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 14:31:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silver.gn.iaf.nl (silver.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23510 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 14:30:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by silver.gn.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA15859; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 23:30:21 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA15120 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Sat, 9 Jan 1999 22:54:46 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id UAA24119; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:55:44 +0100 (CET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199901091955.UAA24119@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: porting to EB64+ / Alpine In-Reply-To: from Doug Rabson at "Jan 9, 99 12:57:13 pm" To: dfr@nlsystems.com (Doug Rabson) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:55:44 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Doug Rabson wrote... > > sio0: type 16550A > > sio1: reserved for low-level i/o > > panic: possible stack overflow > > > > panic > > Stopped at Debugger..ng+0x24: ldq ra,0(sp) > > <0xfffffc0000578230> > 698b8,sp=0xfffffc0000578230> > > db> > > > > I have also seen 'panic: clock not attached'. As I'm trying to find my way > > around in the kernel source tree I appreciate any hints. > > This usually happens if an interrupt is enabled but not handled. The > interrupt exception tries to return but is immediately reentered with a > few bytes less stack. Interrupts... (I did not have any interrupt mapping setup ;-) I'm trying to get an understanding of how that works now. Somewhat related question: I would appreciate the output of SHOW CONF of a genuine EB64+. My Aspen Alpine is different enough to make this interesting. Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message