From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jan 17 16:05:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26344 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:05:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26337 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:05:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA12416 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:05:31 -0800 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:05:30 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: nullfs works? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan 17 15:11:23 farrago /kernel: pid 341 (config), uid 31154: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) fatal kernel trap: trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) a0 = 0x60 a1 = 0x1 a2 = 0x0 pc = 0xfffffc000047fad4 ra = 0xfffffc00003bfc9c curproc = 0xfffffe00070997e0 pid = 554, comm = sh ddbprinttrap from 0xfffffc000047fad4 ddbprinttrap(0x60, 0x1, 0x0, 0x2) panic: trap panic Stopped at Debugger+0x2c: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffe0007165640> db> t Debugger() at Debugger+0x2c panic() at panic+0xf8 trap() at trap+0x69c XentMM() at XentMM+0x20 null_bypass() at null_bypass+0x11c (null)() at 0x4 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jan 18 05:05:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA08327 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 05:05:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw.dcos.mipt.ru (gw.dcos.mipt.ru [193.125.143.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA08321; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 05:05:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lesha@dcos.mipt.ru) Received: from (mail@localhost) by gw.dcos.mipt.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8/spamctl/akk-180698) with SMTP id QAA19295; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:12:31 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from lesha@dcos.mipt.ru) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:12:31 +0300 (MSK) From: Alexei Khalimov To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: DEC Alpha Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! Next month I'm planning ty by some sort of Alpha powered station from DEC, and I'm really interested if FreeBSD supports this type of hardware, becaus all my i386 servers are "powered by FreeBSD" and I don't want to switch to other OS (however NetBSD seems reasonable). Any recomendations and other stuff? ----- Alexei Khalimov * lesha@mos.net Moscow Residental InterNet +7 (095) 946-2114 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jan 18 05:47:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA11623 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 05:47:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from callisto.fortean.com (callisto.fortean.com [209.42.229.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA11618 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 05:47:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) Received: from localhost (walter@localhost) by callisto.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA17894; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 08:47:40 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: callisto.fortean.com: walter owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 08:47:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Bruce M. Walter" To: Doug Rabson cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: AHC/WD driver status... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, I just picked up a Digital Personal Workstation 500au and am looking forward to getting to work on making FreeBSD happy on it. Thing is that the previous owner pulled the QLogic and substituted an IDE boot drive and an AHC 2940UW for the scsi controller. Since neither are supported by the latest SNAP I wanted to see if either have been worked on or are close to ready for testing, thich I'd be more than happy to do. (I realize I won't be able to boot from the SCSI drive, just want it recognized). If not I'll wait for the QLogic from eBay to show up (looks like 1-2 weeks). - Bruce ______________________ Bruce M. Walter, Principal NIXdesign Group Inc. 426 S. Dawson Street Raleigh NC 27601 USA 919.829.4901 Tel 919.829.4993 Fax http://www.nixdesign.com Visual communications | concept + code To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jan 18 11:23:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23557 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:23:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23547 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:23:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com) Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by narnia.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.7.3) id MAA00909; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:15:01 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:15:01 -0700 (MST) From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Message-Id: <199901181915.MAA00909@narnia.plutotech.com> To: "Bruce M. Walter" cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AHC/WD driver status... X-Newsgroups: pluto.freebsd.alpha In-Reply-To: User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980818 ("Laura") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.0-CURRENT (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article you wrote: > Hello all, > > I just picked up a Digital Personal Workstation 500au and am looking > forward to getting to work on making FreeBSD happy on it. Thing is that > the previous owner pulled the QLogic and substituted an IDE boot drive and > an AHC 2940UW for the scsi controller. Since neither are supported by the > latest SNAP I wanted to see if either have been worked on or are close to > ready for testing, thich I'd be more than happy to do. (I realize I won't > be able to boot from the SCSI drive, just want it recognized). Getting the 2940 to work shouldn't be too hard. I'll take a crack at it later this week. It should be just a matter of finishing off some of the bus dma stuff in the driver and I've been meaning to do that for some time. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jan 18 11:46:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27695 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:46:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aries.fortean.com (aries.fortean.com [209.42.229.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27686 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:46:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) Received: from localhost (walter@localhost) by aries.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA10942; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:45:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) X-Authentication-Warning: aries.fortean.com: walter owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:45:53 -0500 (EST) From: "Bruce M. Walter" To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AHC/WD driver status... In-Reply-To: <199901181915.MAA00909@narnia.plutotech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Getting the 2940 to work shouldn't be too hard. I'll take a crack at > it later this week. It should be just a matter of finishing off some > of the bus dma stuff in the driver and I've been meaning to do that > for some time. Fantastic! I was hoping such a thing could be done. I figured since ahc was already CAMified it wouldn't be too bad, but just getting FreeBSD onto this box has become a challenge without IDE or AHC support. Attempting to bootstrap from NetBSD at this late stage was a laughable experience :( I'm supposing IDE is waiting on the work Soren is reproducing from his stolen machine/tapes as opposed to the atapibus/cam discussion on -alpha late last year. Currently NetBSD-current has support for ahc/ide, but alas it's ST550 support is flaky... The console barely works and it only supports the TGA from X, which I don't have. - Bruce ______________________ Bruce M. Walter, Principal NIXdesign Group Inc. 426 S. Dawson Street Raleigh NC 27601 USA 919.829.4901 Tel 919.829.4993 Fax http://www.nixdesign.com Visual communications | concept + code To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jan 19 02:42:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18299 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:42:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18283 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:42:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA46105; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:53:53 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:53:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: "Bruce M. Walter" cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AHC/WD driver status... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Bruce M. Walter wrote: > Hello all, > > I just picked up a Digital Personal Workstation 500au and am looking > forward to getting to work on making FreeBSD happy on it. Thing is that > the previous owner pulled the QLogic and substituted an IDE boot drive and > an AHC 2940UW for the scsi controller. Since neither are supported by the > latest SNAP I wanted to see if either have been worked on or are close to > ready for testing, thich I'd be more than happy to do. (I realize I won't > be able to boot from the SCSI drive, just want it recognized). As far as I know, no-one is working on IDE at the moment (I have very limited time to spend at the moment). Sorry :-( > > If not I'll wait for the QLogic from eBay to show up (looks like 1-2 > weeks). Or you might consider picking up a cheap ncr card which might be easier to find. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jan 19 02:42:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18338 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:42:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18318 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:42:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA46097; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:51:34 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:51:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: "Bruce M. Walter" , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AHC/WD driver status... In-Reply-To: <199901181915.MAA00909@narnia.plutotech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > In article you wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I just picked up a Digital Personal Workstation 500au and am looking > > forward to getting to work on making FreeBSD happy on it. Thing is that > > the previous owner pulled the QLogic and substituted an IDE boot drive and > > an AHC 2940UW for the scsi controller. Since neither are supported by the > > latest SNAP I wanted to see if either have been worked on or are close to > > ready for testing, thich I'd be more than happy to do. (I realize I won't > > be able to boot from the SCSI drive, just want it recognized). > > Getting the 2940 to work shouldn't be too hard. I'll take a crack at > it later this week. It should be just a matter of finishing off some > of the bus dma stuff in the driver and I've been meaning to do that > for some time. I don't know if the firmware can support it though which would make it useless as a boot device (it would work after boot though). What does the firmware say when you type 'show config'? -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jan 19 02:42:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18353 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:42:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18329 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:42:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA46112; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:56:25 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:56:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: "Bruce M. Walter" cc: "Justin T. Gibbs" , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AHC/WD driver status... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Bruce M. Walter wrote: > > Getting the 2940 to work shouldn't be too hard. I'll take a crack at > > it later this week. It should be just a matter of finishing off some > > of the bus dma stuff in the driver and I've been meaning to do that > > for some time. > > Fantastic! I was hoping such a thing could be done. I figured since ahc > was already CAMified it wouldn't be too bad, but just getting FreeBSD > onto this box has become a challenge without IDE or AHC support. > Attempting to bootstrap from NetBSD at this late stage was a laughable > experience :( > > I'm supposing IDE is waiting on the work Soren is reproducing from his > stolen machine/tapes as opposed to the atapibus/cam discussion on -alpha > late last year. Currently NetBSD-current has support for ahc/ide, but > alas it's ST550 support is flaky... The console barely works and it only > supports the TGA from X, which I don't have. It would be possible to hammer a pio-only port of wdc into the alpha but I don't know when that can happen. It has to be moved to the new-bus framework soon anyway for Garret's i386 isa renovation project. We'll see. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jan 19 07:31:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA26967 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:31:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from callisto.fortean.com (callisto.fortean.com [209.42.229.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA26947 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:31:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) Received: from localhost (walter@localhost) by callisto.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA20799; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:31:23 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: callisto.fortean.com: walter owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:31:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Bruce M. Walter" Reply-To: "Bruce M. Walter" To: Doug Rabson cc: "Justin T. Gibbs" , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AHC/WD driver status... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org First off, while I'm getting these messages directly in email and am a member of -alpha I *DON'T* get them via the list, although all other -lists are fine for me. Odd... JG> Getting the 2940 to work shouldn't be too hard. I'll take a crack at JG> it later this week. It should be just a matter of finishing off some JG> of the bus dma stuff in the driver and I've been meaning to do that JG> for some time. DR> I don't know if the firmware can support it though which would make it DR> useless as a boot device (it would work after boot though). What does DR> the firmware say when you type 'show config'? I know this sucker won't EVER boot from the ahc. I am however lucky enough to have it recognize the IDE drive from the SRM so I could install NetBSD-current. As far as it goes, I was considering working on a couple of the areas where I'm having probslems: Primarily, using Linux's PALcode/ahc enabled boot loader from ARC to start FreeBSD. It was mentioned as being a possibility, and since I have the need... The key of course would be having a recognized drive someplace where FreeBSD could live. I guess things will be easier when my QLogic card arrives. DR> It would be possible to hammer a pio-only port of wdc into the alpha DR> but I don't know when that can happen. It has to be moved to the DR> new-bus framework soon anyway for Garret's i386 isa renovation DR> project. We'll see. I had surmised as much. While I'm glad to see that's the thrust, I'd hate to see it be the only stone rolling. If you take a step back and look at what the CAM stuff did for 3.0, it's great. The problem for me (and alot of others) is that some fairly popular devices haven't been CAMified yet. (aic and amd, but I'm not pointing fingers ;) What I'm specifically getting at is my feeling that IDE support would let people take better advantage of their alpha machines to further the port and that even if it is analagous to the old SCSI layer vs. CAM it should be out there if it's not *too* much work. It would definitely help me contribute to the port if there was a way to hang cheap IDE drives on my alpha for development purposes. This is, of course, only a valid posit if Garrett's atapi work is fairly far from culmination. Not wanting to dish up work for others ;) I'm going to try to take a look at what would be involved in hammering some sort of IDE support in, even if it's destined to go away soon. I've got Linux and NetBSD on the box now and to be honest, between those two I'm ready to pull my hair out ;) Any pointers? - B ______________________ Bruce M. Walter, Principal NIXdesign Group Inc. 426 S. Dawson Street Raleigh NC 27601 USA 919.829.4901 Tel 919.829.4993 Fax http://www.nixdesign.com Visual communications | concept + code To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jan 19 13:39:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA10542 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:39:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail13.digital.com (mail13.digital.com [192.208.46.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA10535 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:39:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mikel@zso.dec.com) Received: from slugbt.zso.dec.com (slugbt.zso.dec.com [16.64.0.18]) by mail13.digital.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/WV2.0c) with SMTP id QAA00827 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:38:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from jupiter.zso.dec.com by slugbt.zso.dec.com (5.65v4.0/DECwest-OSF-Nov-11-93) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:38:44 -0800 Message-Id: <9901192138.AA21680@slugbt.zso.dec.com> To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: new member From: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Reply-To: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all! I'm a new list member and a Digital employee (ur, I mean Compaq employee). Although I currently work in the WinNT world, I've worked on Digital Unix (filesystem group) and I run FreeBSD at home. Unfortunately I cannot contribute much time to code work, but I can do installs and testing work on Alpha gear as a background task during my work day. Please let me know if I can be of assistance... -- Pacific NorthWest wine, blues, jazz info; http://vintners.net/~mikel Mike Lempriere-Work: mikel@zso.dec.com; Home: mikel@vintners.net WA State resident-junk email prohibited by law: RCW 19.190 & RCW 19.86 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jan 19 14:45:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19290 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:45:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19266 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:44:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA21669; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:44:36 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:44:36 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Mike Lempriere cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new member In-Reply-To: <9901192224.AA22265@slugbt.zso.dec.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Do we have a current code body I can start with? Or are we still in that > "let's just get the dang thing to compile" phase? For FreeBSD-alpha? It runs moderately well on a number of models. I have it running on a PC164 board. It has been known to work on nonames and others. There *was* existing snapshot on ftp.freebsd.org- I don't know where it's gone. Anyone else know? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jan 19 16:52:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA03180 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:52:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from saturn.spel.com (ip226-39-143.spel.com [208.226.39.143] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03015 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:52:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mturpin@saturn.spel.com) Received: from localhost (mturpin@localhost) by saturn.spel.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA51901; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:14:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mturpin@saturn.spel.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:14:40 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Turpin To: Matthew Jacob cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new member In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > There *was* existing snapshot on ftp.freebsd.org- I don't know where it's > gone. Anyone else know? > Its still there.. Its in /pub/FreeBSD/releases/snapshots/axp Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Turpin | Consulting - Training - Network Installation Systems Engineer | Main Street Technology Centre | http://www.MainStreetTech.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 20 01:31:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01968 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 01:31:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA01963 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 01:31:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA50942; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:32:10 GMT Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:32:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: "Bruce M. Walter" cc: "Justin T. Gibbs" , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AHC/WD driver status... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Bruce M. Walter wrote: > First off, while I'm getting these messages directly in email and am > a member of -alpha I *DON'T* get them via the list, although all other > -lists are fine for me. Odd... Strange. I see them in both places. Have you asked majordomo whether your subscription is valid? > [...] > > DR> It would be possible to hammer a pio-only port of wdc into the alpha > DR> but I don't know when that can happen. It has to be moved to the > DR> new-bus framework soon anyway for Garret's i386 isa renovation > DR> project. We'll see. > > I had surmised as much. While I'm glad to see that's the thrust, I'd hate > to see it be the only stone rolling. If you take a step back and look at > what the CAM stuff did for 3.0, it's great. The problem for me (and alot > of others) is that some fairly popular devices haven't been CAMified yet. > (aic and amd, but I'm not pointing fingers ;) > > What I'm specifically getting at is my feeling that IDE support would let > people take better advantage of their alpha machines to further the port > and that even if it is analagous to the old SCSI layer vs. CAM it should > be out there if it's not *too* much work. It would definitely help me > contribute to the port if there was a way to hang cheap IDE drives on my > alpha for development purposes. This is, of course, only a valid posit if > Garrett's atapi work is fairly far from culmination. > > Not wanting to dish up work for others ;) I'm going to try to take a look > at what would be involved in hammering some sort of IDE support in, even > if it's destined to go away soon. I've got Linux and NetBSD on the box > now and to be honest, between those two I'm ready to pull my hair out ;) > > Any pointers? The main issue in porting the existing wdc driver is untangling the wdc/wd/atapi mess into the new device framework. This would be a good way of learning the new system (manpages exist and are not too out-of-date). It really might be better to wait for a bit - I was planning to help Garret with his new isa code on i386 and wdc is the main missing link there too. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 20 01:53:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA04842 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 01:53:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA04832 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 01:53:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA81422; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 04:51:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: mjacob@feral.com cc: Mike Lempriere , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: new member In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:44:36 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 04:51:04 -0500 Message-ID: <81418.916825864@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob wrote in message ID : > There *was* existing snapshot on ftp.freebsd.org- I don't know where it's > gone. Anyone else know? You can get (in theory) working snaps from ftp://mirrors.rcn.com/pub/FreeBSD/Alpha I recently changed the way the snaps are generated and have been fun getting them stabilised again, but you should see a new one soon. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 20 13:27:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20962 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:27:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20956; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:27:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shmit@natasya.noc.erols.net) Received: from natasya.noc.erols.net (natasya.noc.erols.net [207.172.25.236]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id QAA17134; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from shmit@localhost) by natasya.noc.erols.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA28171; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:27:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990120162717.H21328@kublai.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:27:17 -0500 From: Brian Cully To: Gary Palmer , mjacob@feral.com Cc: Mike Lempriere , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new member Reply-To: shmit@kublai.com References: <81418.916825864@gjp.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <81418.916825864@gjp.erols.com>; from Gary Palmer on Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 04:51:04AM -0500 X-Sender: If your mailer pays attention to this, it's broken. X-PGP-Info: finger shmit@kublai.com for my public key. Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 04:51:04AM -0500, Gary Palmer wrote: > ftp://mirrors.rcn.com/pub/FreeBSD/Alpha s/Alpha/alpha/ -- Brian Cully ``I'm not surprised,'' said I. ``You created God in your own image, and when you found out he was no good you abolished him. It's quite a common form of psychological suicide.'' -- Robertson Davies, Fifth Buisiness To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 20 14:02:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24813 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:02:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail13.digital.com (mail13.digital.com [192.208.46.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24805 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:02:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mikel@zso.dec.com) Received: from slugbt.zso.dec.com (slugbt.zso.dec.com [16.64.0.18]) by mail13.digital.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/WV2.0c) with SMTP id RAA13084 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:02:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from jupiter.zso.dec.com by slugbt.zso.dec.com (5.65v4.0/DECwest-OSF-Nov-11-93) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:01:55 -0800 Message-Id: <9901202201.AA03980@slugbt.zso.dec.com> To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19990120162717.H21328@kublai.com> (message from Brian Cully on Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:27:17 -0500) Subject: Current install From: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Reply-To: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, so far none of the URLs supplied has gotten me to an Alpha release, but I have found one at: ftp://ftp4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/snapshots/axp Now the fun part... My machine is an XL box -- no ARC -- it won't boot the standard install from floppy. Has anyone already dealt with this issue? -- Pacific NorthWest wine, blues, jazz info; http://vintners.net/~mikel Mike Lempriere-Work: mikel@zso.dec.com; Home: mikel@vintners.net WA State resident-junk email prohibited by law: RCW 19.190 & RCW 19.86 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 20 14:14:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25835 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:14:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25827 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:14:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA25932 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:13:33 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:13:33 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: crashing on install Multia (partially) solved Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I haven't found out why yet, but after removing the 2nd ethernet controller (that is in the stub slot off the ncr scsi controller), booting succeeded. I'll find and fix this sucker soon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 20 14:39:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27714 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:39:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles232.castles.com [208.214.165.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27709 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:39:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03694; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:34:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199901202234.OAA03694@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Current install In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:01:55 PST." <9901202201.AA03980@slugbt.zso.dec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:34:04 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Well, so far none of the URLs supplied has gotten me to an Alpha release, > but I have found one at: > ftp://ftp4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/snapshots/axp > > Now the fun part... > > My machine is an XL box -- no ARC -- it won't boot the standard install > from floppy. Has anyone already dealt with this issue? No ARC is fine, you want SRM. If what you mean is "no SRM", then at the moment at least you're SOL. We don't support non-SRM systems yet, sorry. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 20 14:48:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28326 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:48:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from saturn.spel.com (ip226-39-143.spel.com [208.226.39.143] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28314 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:48:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mturpin@saturn.spel.com) Received: from localhost (mturpin@localhost) by saturn.spel.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA53058; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:41:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mturpin@saturn.spel.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:41:36 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Turpin To: Mike Smith cc: Mike Lempriere , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Current install In-Reply-To: <199901202234.OAA03694@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > No ARC is fine, you want SRM. If what you mean is "no SRM", then at > the moment at least you're SOL. We don't support non-SRM systems yet, > sorry. > Speaking of ARC. Is there any documentation from DEC on how to boot from ARC? I found the SRM guide at digital, but haven't seen anything about ARC. Thanks ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Turpin | Consulting - Training - Network Installation Systems Engineer | Main Street Technology Centre | http://www.MainStreetTech.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 20 14:52:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28827 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:52:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28822 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:52:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA06480; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:48:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901202248.OAA06480@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: Mike Smith Cc: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere), freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Current install Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:48:32 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:34:04 -0800 Mike Smith wrote: > > Now the fun part... > > > > My machine is an XL box -- no ARC -- it won't boot the standard install > > from floppy. Has anyone already dealt with this issue? > > No ARC is fine, you want SRM. If what you mean is "no SRM", then at > the moment at least you're SOL. We don't support non-SRM systems yet, > sorry. ...and even funner! The XL has no SRM available. It doesn't even have an OSF/1 PALcode systype, and in grand DEC style, it's different enough from the other APECS systems to need its own. Oops! -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 20 15:22:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01817 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:22:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01811 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:22:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA53352; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:23:04 GMT Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:23:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Matthew Jacob cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: crashing on install Multia (partially) solved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > I haven't found out why yet, but after removing the 2nd ethernet > controller (that is in the stub slot off the ncr scsi controller), booting > succeeded. > > I'll find and fix this sucker soon. Its good that you got the thing booted. I bet that if_de was trying to allocate a dubious interrupt number and the isa bus refused. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 20 15:23:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01917 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:23:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01911 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:23:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA53348; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:21:31 GMT Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:21:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Mark Turpin cc: Mike Smith , Mike Lempriere , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Current install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Mark Turpin wrote: > > > > No ARC is fine, you want SRM. If what you mean is "no SRM", then at > > the moment at least you're SOL. We don't support non-SRM systems yet, > > sorry. > > > > Speaking of ARC. Is there any documentation from DEC on how to > boot from ARC? I found the SRM guide at digital, but haven't seen > anything about ARC. You can find the source code to linload (the first stage of Linux/alpha's bootstrap) at: ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Linux-Alpha/linload/ And a developer's kit for developing alpha ARC applications at: http://www.windows.digital.com/support/drivers/drivers.asp This includes a document about the ARC firmware api (a bit mips specific but its easy to figure out what is going on). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 20 17:18:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16079 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:18:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16074 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:18:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA26646 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:17:55 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:17:54 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: latest install stuff not working? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After finally getting the multia booted, I find I cannot make filesystems on a disk. I don't do slices and do a da1a(1000MB) and da1b(250M/Swap). It cannot enable swap on on da1b and when it tries to make filesystems, I get 'returned error code 1'. I tried the two most recent snaps under ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/snapshots/alpha and got the same results. It's been an annoying afternoon because none of the 4 choices for syscons is entirely usable, and a ^P (have to use ^N at least because the arror keys don't work) drops one back to the SRM prompt irretrievably. What am I doing wrong? I can't use da0 (335 MB disk). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 20 19:30:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA00185 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:30:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from willie.intr.net (willie.intr.net [207.197.220.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA00179 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:30:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mbriggs@switchboard.net) Received: from localhost (really [127.0.0.1]) by willie.intr.net via in.smtpd with smtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:32:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:32:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew R. Briggs" X-Sender: mbriggs@willie.intr.net To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: latest install stuff not working? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have an install report of a different nature...my machine, an AS200 4/233, refuses to finish booting and dies with a panic. Using the 1/14 SNAP from ftp4.freebsd.org, it loads kernel and MFS root, starts detecting devices, and when it reaches my second ethernet card (this machine has a built-in Tulip, and another in a PCI slot), it dies with a "Possible stack overflow" and this panic: de1: allocated 10baseT port <--this line from my memory Panic: stopped at Debugger..ng+0x24: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffc0000861eb0> db> I could take out the card, but this machine acts as a network gateway and I kind of need two interfaces for that. Other hardware is pretty much standard...Avanti, 233MHz, 32MB. When I saw the "FreeBSD/Alpha booting..." message, I thought, "This is the coolest thing in the world!" Any ideas how to make it work? Matt Briggs mbriggs at switchboard dot net On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > After finally getting the multia booted, I find I cannot make filesystems > on a disk. I don't do slices and do a da1a(1000MB) and da1b(250M/Swap). > > It cannot enable swap on on da1b and when it tries to make filesystems, I > get 'returned error code 1'. > > I tried the two most recent snaps under > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/snapshots/alpha > > > and got the same results. It's been an annoying afternoon because none of > the 4 choices for syscons is entirely usable, and a ^P (have to use ^N at > least because the arror keys don't work) drops one back to the SRM prompt > irretrievably. > > What am I doing wrong? I can't use da0 (335 MB disk). > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 20 19:55:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02609 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:55:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02593 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:55:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA13379; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:55:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA72993; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:55:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:55:44 -0500 (EST) To: "Matthew R. Briggs" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: latest install stuff not working? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13990.41447.527727.342292@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew R. Briggs writes: > I have an install report of a different nature...my machine, an AS200 > 4/233, refuses to finish booting and dies with a panic. > Using the 1/14 SNAP from ftp4.freebsd.org, it loads kernel and > MFS root, starts detecting devices, and when it reaches my second ethernet > card (this machine has a built-in Tulip, and another in a PCI slot), it > dies with a "Possible stack overflow" and this panic: > > de1: allocated 10baseT port <--this line from my memory > Panic: > stopped at Debugger..ng+0x24: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffc0000861eb0> > > db> This is probably due to an improperly handled interrupt. This is odd, as I run my AS200 with an additional tulip NIC & it works just fine. Can you mail me some boot messages? If you want to condense it, I'm specifically interested in FreeBSD's opinion of what device is in what slot and at what irq. I'm also interested in the last few messages before the panic. What OS are you running now? You might want to try typing 'init' at the SRM console prompt before attempting to boot FreeBSD. Cheers, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 20 21:30:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA13601 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:30:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA13545 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:29:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA27220; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:29:32 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:29:31 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: latest install stuff not working? In-Reply-To: <199901210159.RAA05046@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After 'bootstrapping' myself with NetBSD on an alphastation 600, I now am running on the multia (haven't got syscons to print a prompt to the monitor yet tho) Interestingly enough, a plain "GENERIC" kernel dies with a lot of traps (they went by too fast to see). A stripped down GENERIC with no sio1 seems to work. -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 20 21:53:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16857 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:53:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from callisto.fortean.com (callisto.fortean.com [209.42.229.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16847 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:53:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) Received: from localhost (walter@localhost) by callisto.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA07781; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:53:19 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: callisto.fortean.com: walter owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:53:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Bruce M. Walter" To: Matthew Jacob cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: latest install stuff not working? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > After 'bootstrapping' myself with NetBSD on an alphastation 600, I now am > running on the multia (haven't got syscons to print a prompt to the > monitor yet tho) I tried this not too long ago from NetBSD-current (1.3H) on my Personal Workstation 500au and a src/ tree from approximately 8-9 days ago. The results were, well, not good :( I had thought it might no longer be possible to bootstrap from NetBSD. Is there some instructions I'm missing outside of mounting the FreeBSD source tree on /usr/src, creating /usr/obj and running: make -m /usr/src/share/mk buildworld ??? I was able to get some milage out of it, but had some problems with mtree. I found removing -lmd from the mtree Makefile allowed the build to progress for the first two or three times mtree gets built, but finally fails with linker errors on attempting to find MD5File. - Bruce ______________________ Bruce M. Walter, Principal NIXdesign Group Inc. 426 S. Dawson Street Raleigh NC 27601 USA 919.829.4901 Tel 919.829.4993 Fax http://www.nixdesign.com Visual communications | concept + code To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 20 22:14:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA19738 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:14:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA19725 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:14:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA27320 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:14:17 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:14:17 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: tsk! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org t Debugger..ng() at Debugger..ng+0x24 panic..ng() at panic..ng+0xf0 machine_check..ng() at machine_check..ng+0x1fc interrupt..ng() at interrupt..ng+0x150 XentInt() at XentInt+0x1c tulip_mii_readreg..ng() at tulip_mii_readreg..ng+0x34 (null)() at 0x5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 20 22:16:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA19961 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:16:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA19956 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:16:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA27328; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:15:39 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:15:39 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "Bruce M. Walter" cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: latest install stuff not working? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When I said 'bootstrapping' I meant from the point of view of making a filesystem and using a boot block. I actually took the bin files and ran install.sh on them for the most recent FreeBSD snap, did some hand editting of conf files and I was ready to rock && roll. > On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > After 'bootstrapping' myself with NetBSD on an alphastation 600, I now am > > running on the multia (haven't got syscons to print a prompt to the > > monitor yet tho) > > I tried this not too long ago from NetBSD-current (1.3H) on my Personal > Workstation 500au and a src/ tree from approximately 8-9 days ago. The > results were, well, not good :( I had thought it might no longer be > possible to bootstrap from NetBSD. > > Is there some instructions I'm missing outside of mounting the FreeBSD > source tree on /usr/src, creating /usr/obj and running: > > make -m /usr/src/share/mk buildworld ??? > > I was able to get some milage out of it, but had some problems with mtree. > I found removing -lmd from the mtree Makefile allowed the build to > progress for the first two or three times mtree gets built, but finally > fails with linker errors on attempting to find MD5File. > > - Bruce > > ______________________ > Bruce M. Walter, Principal > NIXdesign Group Inc. > > 426 S. Dawson Street > Raleigh NC 27601 USA > 919.829.4901 Tel > 919.829.4993 Fax > http://www.nixdesign.com > > Visual communications | concept + code > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 20 22:18:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA20208 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:18:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from callisto.fortean.com (callisto.fortean.com [209.42.229.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA20170 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:17:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) Received: from localhost (walter@localhost) by callisto.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA07858; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:17:34 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: callisto.fortean.com: walter owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:17:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Bruce M. Walter" To: Matthew Jacob cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: latest install stuff not working? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > When I said 'bootstrapping' I meant from the point of view of making a > filesystem and using a boot block. > > I actually took the bin files and ran install.sh on them for the most > recent FreeBSD snap, did some hand editting of conf files and I was ready > to rock && roll. Ahhh... It all makes sense now ;) - B ______________________ Bruce M. Walter, Principal NIXdesign Group Inc. 426 S. Dawson Street Raleigh NC 27601 USA 919.829.4901 Tel 919.829.4993 Fax http://www.nixdesign.com Visual communications | concept + code To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 20 22:43:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22798 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:43:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from willie.intr.net (willie.intr.net [207.197.220.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22792 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:43:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mbriggs@switchboard.net) Received: from angelica.alex-va-n013c109.moon.jic.com (really [207.197.220.127]) by willie.intr.net via in.smtpd with smtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:45:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew R. Briggs" To: Andrew Gallatin Subject: Re: latest install stuff not working? Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:21:29 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.9] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG References: <13990.41447.527727.342292@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99012101354000.77614@angelica.alex-va-n013c109.moon.jic.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Andrew Gallatin wrote: >Matthew R. Briggs writes: > > I have an install report of a different nature...my machine, an AS200 > > 4/233, refuses to finish booting and dies with a panic. > > Using the 1/14 SNAP from ftp4.freebsd.org, it loads kernel and > > MFS root, starts detecting devices, and when it reaches my second ethernet > > card (this machine has a built-in Tulip, and another in a PCI slot), it > > dies with a "Possible stack overflow" and this panic: > > > > de1: allocated 10baseT port <--this line from my memory > > Panic: > > stopped at Debugger..ng+0x24: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffc0000861eb0> > > > > db> > >This is probably due to an improperly handled interrupt. This is odd, >as I run my AS200 with an additional tulip NIC & it works just fine. > >Can you mail me some boot messages? If you want to condense it, I'm >specifically interested in FreeBSD's opinion of what device is in what >slot and at what irq. I'm also interested in the last few messages >before the panic. > >What OS are you running now? You might want to try typing 'init' at >the SRM console prompt before attempting to boot FreeBSD. > >Cheers, > >Drew >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin >Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu >Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 Well, I tried really hard to get a serial console going, but my Linux minicom doesn't want to send out my commands, making it hard to hit "enter" when it asks for the mfsroot floppy. I'll have to work on that some more, but for now I will type by hand.. Here is what I see on the screen when it panics: ---top of screen--- isa0 Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: ncr0: rev 0x02 int a irq 11 on pci0.6.0 chip0: rev 0x04 on pci0.7.0 de0: rev 0x24 int a irq 5 on pci0.11.0 de0: DEC 21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.4 de0: address 00:00:f8:23:3e:83 de1: rev 0x21 int a irq 10 on pci0.12.0 de1: DEC 21041 [10Mb/s] pass 2.1 de1: address 00:c0:f0:37:22:fd vga0: rev 0xd3 int a irq 15 on pci0.13.0 <--(aka "Joe random crappy video card," used because my nice TGA board isn't supported yet) mcclock0: at port 0x70-0x71 on isa0 sc0 at port 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on isa0 sc0: CGA <4 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq4 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1: reserved for low-level i/o de1: enabling 10baseT port panic: possible stack overflow panic Stopped at Debugger..ng+0x24: ldg ra,0(sp) <0xfffffc0000862238> db> ---bottom of screen--- Hope that helps. This machine usually runs Debian Linux with a 2.2.0pre7 kernel, which works fine (but it's not FreeBSD). I have to flash the SRM console in to boot FreeBSD, and I flash the ARC console back to use Linux. Let me know if I can help in any way...I can't really move forward from here. -- Matt Briggs mbriggs at switchboard dot net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jan 21 05:09:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03360 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 05:09:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ice.cold.org (cold.org [206.81.134.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03353 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 05:09:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brandon@ice.cold.org) Received: (from brandon@localhost) by ice.cold.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id GAA25136 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 06:09:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <19990121060919.A25024@cold.org> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 06:09:19 -0700 From: Brandon Gillespie To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: horrible hack / SRM console Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=FCuugMFkClbJLl1L X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE X-PGP-Public-Key: http://www.roguetrader.com/~brandon/brandon@roguetrader_com.pubkey Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Andrew Gallatin wrote: > And this is going to become a much bigger issue once all the 164lx > boards sell out, as vendors are claiming they will. Samsung's 164lx > replacement, the 164ux, apparently works only with AlphaBios. From > what I've read, DEC's new low-end 164RX board will lack SRM support as > well. My company is engineering an alpha computer/sales division, for doing online sales. I have been encouraged by the FreeBSD port effort, as I much prefer FreeBSD to linux, but it looks as if we are going to be using the UX board for our mainstay. Infact, we do not really have much choice, if we buy from Samsung (aka Alpha Processors Inc/API). They have the 164UX/BX available in the 2MB and 4MB, and they will soon also have another board which uses daughter boards to provide dual CPU capability--I believe it is 164UX based as well. Any other board which they have produced in the past have reached the end of their life, and they will NOT be producing any more. Some people may still have a few stocked, but that is it. The problem is, of course, that these motherboards ONLY seem to support the AlphaBIOS. I'm still digging trying to find the SRM, but I cannot. On API's site they even list the firmware as simply being AlphaBIOS, and the ONLY OSes they list as being able to run on it are NT and Linux (note the lack of Digital Unix, *sigh*). Also, I'm just getting into this so I appologize if I offend anybody ;) But why not join camps and try to fork MILO to work with FreeBSD, but basing off the same code base it seems it'd be easier to keep up to date for BOTH camps... However, I suspect this effort (ARC boot) is further along than I realize, so I shall desist :) As it stands, our default OS when the site rolls out in a month will be Linux, with NT as an option. I would _love_ to have FreeBSD as an option (even if it still needs maturing :) And to end...after having evaluated the boards I must say they are very nice. Onboard everything--UW2 scsi, IDE and 10/100 NIC. And cheap too (Alpha prices have really dropped all across the board... finally :) -Brandon Gillespie --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: C3eWD9p9GzyRhyQLCGGijKf/whhL+u54 iQA/AwUBNqcm/Uv5XoQiMgn6EQJMVwCcDKHXk/8xHdl5b0OlqJK9TiceE6oAni+W WAGSiVBAzkNU6KOS+9/fsxEi =NAr8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 22 04:43:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA11416 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:43:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA11411 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:43:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA60075; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:43:58 GMT Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:43:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Brandon Gillespie cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: horrible hack / SRM console In-Reply-To: <19990121060919.A25024@cold.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Brandon Gillespie wrote: > Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > And this is going to become a much bigger issue once all the 164lx > > boards sell out, as vendors are claiming they will. Samsung's 164lx > > replacement, the 164ux, apparently works only with AlphaBios. From > > what I've read, DEC's new low-end 164RX board will lack SRM support as > > well. > > My company is engineering an alpha computer/sales division, for doing > online sales. I have been encouraged by the FreeBSD port effort, as I > much prefer FreeBSD to linux, but it looks as if we are going to be > using the UX board for our mainstay. Infact, we do not really have > much choice, if we buy from Samsung (aka Alpha Processors Inc/API). > They have the 164UX/BX available in the 2MB and 4MB, and they will > soon also have another board which uses daughter boards to provide > dual CPU capability--I believe it is 164UX based as well. Any other > board which they have produced in the past have reached the end of > their life, and they will NOT be producing any more. Some people may > still have a few stocked, but that is it. > > The problem is, of course, that these motherboards ONLY seem to > support the AlphaBIOS. I'm still digging trying to find the SRM, but > I cannot. On API's site they even list the firmware as simply being > AlphaBIOS, and the ONLY OSes they list as being able to run on it are > NT and Linux (note the lack of Digital Unix, *sigh*). > > Also, I'm just getting into this so I appologize if I offend anybody > ;) But why not join camps and try to fork MILO to work with FreeBSD, > but basing off the same code base it seems it'd be easier to keep up > to date for BOTH camps... However, I suspect this effort (ARC boot) > is further along than I realize, so I shall desist :) > > As it stands, our default OS when the site rolls out in a month will > be Linux, with NT as an option. I would _love_ to have FreeBSD as an > option (even if it still needs maturing :) > > And to end...after having evaluated the boards I must say they are > very nice. Onboard everything--UW2 scsi, IDE and 10/100 NIC. And > cheap too (Alpha prices have really dropped all across the board... > finally :) Stefan Esser is working on AlphaBIOS booting at the moment but it is very early days. We are still at the stage of reverse-engineering the M$ executable format... -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 22 04:50:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA12509 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:50:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from soho.london.virgin.net (soho.london.virgin.net [194.168.38.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA12478 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:50:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scot@london.virgin.net) Received: from kirk.london.virgin.net (kirk.london.virgin.net [194.168.38.227]) by soho.london.virgin.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15214 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:49:55 GMT (envelope-from scot@london.virgin.net) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by kirk.london.virgin.net (8.9.1b+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23849 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:49:53 GMT (envelope-from scot@london.virgin.net) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.london.virgin.net: scot owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:49:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Scot Elliott To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: horrible hack / SRM console In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > > Stefan Esser is working on AlphaBIOS booting at the moment but it is very > early days. We are still at the stage of reverse-engineering the M$ > executable format... I wouldn't yell about that - there's bound to be licencing restrictions about reverse engineering copyrighted material ;) Scot. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 22 05:18:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA15027 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:18:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA15015 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:18:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA60200; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:20:02 GMT Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:20:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Scot Elliott cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: horrible hack / SRM console In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Scot Elliott wrote: > On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > > > > > Stefan Esser is working on AlphaBIOS booting at the moment but it is very > > early days. We are still at the stage of reverse-engineering the M$ > > executable format... > > > I wouldn't yell about that - there's bound to be licencing restrictions > about reverse engineering copyrighted material ;) We aren't reverse engineering any non-public code, just the executable header :-) -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 22 05:19:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA15074 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:19:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ice.cold.org (cold.org [206.81.134.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA15066 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:19:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brandon@ice.cold.org) Received: (from brandon@localhost) by ice.cold.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id GAA04332; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 06:19:12 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <19990122061911.A4290@cold.org> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 06:19:11 -0700 From: Brandon Gillespie To: Doug Rabson , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: horrible hack / SRM console References: <19990121060919.A25024@cold.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary="/04w6evG8XlLl3ft" X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Doug Rabson on Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 12:43:58PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE X-PGP-Public-Key: http://www.roguetrader.com/~brandon/brandon@roguetrader_com.pubkey Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 12:43:58PM +0000, Doug Rabson wrote: > Stefan Esser is working on AlphaBIOS booting at the moment but it is very > early days. We are still at the stage of reverse-engineering the M$ > executable format... I guess what I am not understanding is why this level of work needs to be done? Cannot MILO be altered to also work with FreeBSD? I can see many advantages in sharing sourcecode for this matter, even though it is from 'the other camp' so to speak... -Brandon --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: GH5+IW7KVZDMqKaQaJUholhF3hd51Xpg iQA/AwUBNqh6zkv5XoQiMgn6EQIlVgCePuFUXrrz6eXYqIGlwvG7jP5W20IAoP8L na2R13EnHpo/2rIfQHtw8yjt =tkjF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 22 05:41:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17331 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:41:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17315 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:40:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA60246; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:37:10 GMT Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:37:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Brandon Gillespie cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: horrible hack / SRM console In-Reply-To: <19990122061911.A4290@cold.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Brandon Gillespie wrote: > On Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 12:43:58PM +0000, Doug Rabson wrote: > > Stefan Esser is working on AlphaBIOS booting at the moment but it is very > > early days. We are still at the stage of reverse-engineering the M$ > > executable format... > > I guess what I am not understanding is why this level of work needs to > be done? Cannot MILO be altered to also work with FreeBSD? I can see > many advantages in sharing sourcecode for this matter, even though it > is from 'the other camp' so to speak... Milo requires the Linux kernel sources to build. I would also prefer a non-gpl solution to the bootstrap. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 22 10:04:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15718 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:04:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA15710 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:04:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 103kwJ-000030-00; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:04:15 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA88011; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:02:13 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199901221802.LAA88011@harmony.village.org> To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: horrible hack / SRM console Cc: Brandon Gillespie , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:37:10 GMT." References: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:02:13 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org : > > early days. We are still at the stage of reverse-engineering the M$ : > > executable format... Isn't it just PECOFF w/o the usual "this won't run w/o windows" headers? On the MIPS all that the loader program is is a MIPS LE ECOFF binary. Also, since ARC is common to MIPS/arc and Alpha/arc, would it make sense to coordinate work on the boot loaders? I'm working on the MIPS Arc loader right now... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 22 12:11:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04006 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:11:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.150.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04001 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:11:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from heller@informatik.uni-freiburg.de) Received: from joyce.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (joyce.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.168.50]) by avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA16344; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:11:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost by joyce.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA14285; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:05:19 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:05:18 +0100 (MET) From: Martin Heller To: Doug Rabson cc: Brandon Gillespie , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE:M$ PE-format ..was: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Brandon Gillespie wrote: > > > Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > And this is going to become a much bigger issue once all the 164lx > > > boards sell out, as vendors are claiming they will. Samsung's 164lx > > > replacement, the 164ux, apparently works only with AlphaBios. From > > > what I've read, DEC's new low-end 164RX board will lack SRM support as > > > well. > > > > My company is engineering an alpha computer/sales division, for doing > > online sales. I have been encouraged by the FreeBSD port effort, as I > > much prefer FreeBSD to linux, but it looks as if we are going to be > > using the UX board for our mainstay. Infact, we do not really have > > much choice, if we buy from Samsung (aka Alpha Processors Inc/API). > > They have the 164UX/BX available in the 2MB and 4MB, and they will > > soon also have another board which uses daughter boards to provide > > dual CPU capability--I believe it is 164UX based as well. Any other > > board which they have produced in the past have reached the end of > > their life, and they will NOT be producing any more. Some people may > > still have a few stocked, but that is it. > > > > The problem is, of course, that these motherboards ONLY seem to > > support the AlphaBIOS. I'm still digging trying to find the SRM, but > > I cannot. On API's site they even list the firmware as simply being > > AlphaBIOS, and the ONLY OSes they list as being able to run on it are > > NT and Linux (note the lack of Digital Unix, *sigh*). > > > > Also, I'm just getting into this so I appologize if I offend anybody > > ;) But why not join camps and try to fork MILO to work with FreeBSD, > > but basing off the same code base it seems it'd be easier to keep up > > to date for BOTH camps... However, I suspect this effort (ARC boot) > > is further along than I realize, so I shall desist :) > > > > As it stands, our default OS when the site rolls out in a month will > > be Linux, with NT as an option. I would _love_ to have FreeBSD as an > > option (even if it still needs maturing :) > > > > And to end...after having evaluated the boards I must say they are > > very nice. Onboard everything--UW2 scsi, IDE and 10/100 NIC. And > > cheap too (Alpha prices have really dropped all across the board... > > finally :) > Stefan Esser is working on AlphaBIOS booting at the moment but it is very > early days. We are still at the stage of reverse-engineering the M$ > executable format... Well there is a port of gcc-2.7.2 + binutils-2.8?? (cygwin-b19) for Alpha/NT. I think it's at ftp://ftp.guiduck.com . There is also a port for OpenNT/alpha with sources - I should have 'em somewhere on DAT or CD-ROM if you can't find it. MARTIN ------------------------- heller@informatik.uni-freiburg.de mheller@rhrk.uni-kl.de mheller@acm.org > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 22 12:16:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04566 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:16:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.150.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04561 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:16:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from heller@informatik.uni-freiburg.de) Received: from joyce.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (joyce.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.168.50]) by avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA16448; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:16:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost by joyce.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA14289; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:10:06 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:10:05 +0100 (MET) From: Martin Heller To: Scot Elliott cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: horrible hack / SRM console In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Scot Elliott wrote: > On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > > > > > Stefan Esser is working on AlphaBIOS booting at the moment but it is very > > early days. We are still at the stage of reverse-engineering the M$ > > executable format... > > > I wouldn't yell about that - there's bound to be licencing restrictions > about reverse engineering copyrighted material ;) I think Stefan Esser lives in Germany, so reverse engineering should be OK IMHO. MARTIN ------------ mheller@informatik.uni-freiburg.de mheller@acm.org mheller@rhrk.uni-kl.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 22 12:24:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05592 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:24:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05587 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:24:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA07882 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:23:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA22180; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:23:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:23:48 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: latest install stuff not working? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13992.56784.498150.488390@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew R. Briggs writes: > I have an install report of a different nature...my machine, an AS200 > 4/233, refuses to finish booting and dies with a panic. Just in case any AS200 owners were waiting to hear more about this, the above problem was tracked down & attributed to flaky hardware. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 22 14:07:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21209 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:07:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from willie.intr.net (willie.intr.net [207.197.220.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21203 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:07:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mbriggs@switchboard.net) Received: from localhost (really [127.0.0.1]) by willie.intr.net via in.smtpd with smtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:09:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:09:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew R. Briggs" X-Sender: mbriggs@willie.intr.net To: Andrew Gallatin cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: latest install stuff not working? In-Reply-To: <13992.56784.498150.488390@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes, Drew was more than helpful. Now if we could only fix the problem with the install disk not putting bootblocks on the drive...I don't know how much time I spent watching spinning /|\- before I figured that one out. Next problem: I haven't yet been able to build modula-3 so cvs works. The port appears to be configured for i486 by default, and I'm wading through things here. Since everyone has to have cvsup, I'm assuming it's possible. Any pointers? Matt Briggs mbriggs@switchboard.net On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Matthew R. Briggs writes: > > I have an install report of a different nature...my machine, an AS200 > > 4/233, refuses to finish booting and dies with a panic. > > Just in case any AS200 owners were waiting to hear more about this, > the above problem was tracked down & attributed to flaky hardware. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin > Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu > Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 22 14:13:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22200 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:13:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22193 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:13:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA09910; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA24934; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:12:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:12:59 -0500 (EST) To: "Matthew R. Briggs" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: latest install stuff not working? In-Reply-To: References: <13992.56784.498150.488390@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13992.63298.153708.951784@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew R. Briggs writes: > > Next problem: I haven't yet been able to build modula-3 so cvs works. The > port appears to be configured for i486 by default, and I'm wading through > things here. Since everyone has to have cvsup, I'm assuming it's > possible. Any pointers? Yes, last week John Polstra posted this information to freebsd-alpha: jdp> jdp> OK, several people expressed interest. You'll find the binaries jdp> here: jdp> jdp> http://www.freebsd.org/~jdp/cvsup-alpha/ jdp> jdp> They're dynamically linked, but they require only the standard FreeBSD jdp> shared libraries such as libc, libm, and libz. The Modula-3 libraries jdp> are linked in statically. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 22 15:08:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28658 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:08:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA28649 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:08:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29481; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:08:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd029338; Fri Jan 22 16:07:53 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA10509; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:07:26 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199901222307.QAA10509@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: horrible hack / SRM To: dfr@nlsystems.com (Doug Rabson) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:07:25 +0000 (GMT) Cc: brandon@roguetrader.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Doug Rabson" at Jan 22, 99 12:43:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Stefan Esser is working on AlphaBIOS booting at the moment but it is very > early days. We are still at the stage of reverse-engineering the M$ > executable format... Go to: http://www.microsoft.com/win32dev/base/pefile.htm Or register with MSDN, then go to: http://premium.microsoft.com/msdn/library/specs/pecoff/microsoftportableexecutableandcommonobjectfileformatspecification.htm Or go to: http://search.microsoft.com/search/default.asp and enter: portable exectuable file format and: All Words and click "Search", then follow the links. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 22 15:11:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29348 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:11:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29341 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:10:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00784; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:10:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd000748; Fri Jan 22 16:10:36 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA10649; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:10:35 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199901222310.QAA10649@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: horrible hack / SRM To: dfr@nlsystems.com (Doug Rabson) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:10:34 +0000 (GMT) Cc: brandon@roguetrader.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Doug Rabson" at Jan 22, 99 01:37:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Stefan Esser is working on AlphaBIOS booting at the moment but it is very > > > early days. We are still at the stage of reverse-engineering the M$ > > > executable format... > > > > I guess what I am not understanding is why this level of work needs to > > be done? Cannot MILO be altered to also work with FreeBSD? I can see > > many advantages in sharing sourcecode for this matter, even though it > > is from 'the other camp' so to speak... > > Milo requires the Linux kernel sources to build. I would also prefer a > non-gpl solution to the bootstrap. Not to mention that Milo replaces the microcode with something other than SRM and other than ARC, etc, and as a result is constantly playing catch-up with new boards. Someone should approach Compaq about SRM, now that DEC is no longer anally trying to keep everything $120 more expensive than running NT for some sill ass reason... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 22 18:06:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22633 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:06:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.0.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22627 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:06:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tls@panix.com) Received: from panix7.panix.com (root@panix7.nyc.access.net [166.84.0.232]) by mail1.panix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/PanixM1.3) with ESMTP id VAA26832; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from tls@localhost) by panix7.panix.com (8.8.8/8.7.1/PanixN1.0) id VAA17999; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:05:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:05:53 -0500 From: Thor Lancelot Simon To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: netbsd-alpha@netbsd.org Subject: Re: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: horrible hack / SRM console Message-ID: <19990122210553.A16988@rek.tjls.com> Reply-To: tls@rek.tjls.com References: <19990121060919.A25024@cold.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19990121060919.A25024@cold.org>; from Brandon Gillespie on Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 06:09:19AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 06:09:19AM -0700, Brandon Gillespie wrote: > Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > And this is going to become a much bigger issue once all the 164lx > > boards sell out, as vendors are claiming they will. Samsung's 164lx > > replacement, the 164ux, apparently works only with AlphaBios. From > > what I've read, DEC's new low-end 164RX board will lack SRM support as > > well. > > My company is engineering an alpha computer/sales division, for doing > online sales. I have been encouraged by the FreeBSD port effort, as I > much prefer FreeBSD to linux, but it looks as if we are going to be > using the UX board for our mainstay. Infact, we do not really have > much choice, if we buy from Samsung (aka Alpha Processors Inc/API). > They have the 164UX/BX available in the 2MB and 4MB, and they will > soon also have another board which uses daughter boards to provide > dual CPU capability--I believe it is 164UX based as well. Any other > board which they have produced in the past have reached the end of > their life, and they will NOT be producing any more. Some people may > still have a few stocked, but that is it. > > The problem is, of course, that these motherboards ONLY seem to > support the AlphaBIOS. I'm still digging trying to find the SRM, but > I cannot. On API's site they even list the firmware as simply being > AlphaBIOS, and the ONLY OSes they list as being able to run on it are > NT and Linux (note the lack of Digital Unix, *sigh*). > > Also, I'm just getting into this so I appologize if I offend anybody > ;) But why not join camps and try to fork MILO to work with FreeBSD, > but basing off the same code base it seems it'd be easier to keep up > to date for BOTH camps... However, I suspect this effort (ARC boot) > is further along than I realize, so I shall desist :) Well, from over here on the NetBSD side of the fence, I can report that it's damned near impossible to *get* complete MILO source. This doesn't surprise me, since according to the license on _my_ copy of the SRM PALcode that appears to be the version they started with, it'd be a violation to distribute it under GPL, and MILO is allegedly under GPL. Mmmmmmm, Linux. Has anyone actually got complete, buildable MILO source including the modified OSF/1 PALcode? This is pretty much a must for running BSD on an Alpha which hasn't got SRM, and it's one of the main reasons why NetBSD doesn't go on those boxes, despite running on almost every other piece of 32 or 64 bit hardware DEC has ever built. -- Thor Lancelot Simon tls@rek.tjls.com "And where do all these highways go, now that we are free?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 22 19:18:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02706 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:18:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02698 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:18:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03280 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:11:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199901230311.TAA03280@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Failures with sysinstall in the 19990114 SNAP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:11:59 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, finally got this up on my AS200. The obvious problem: Partitioning isn't working. Attempting to write stuff directly from the partition editor gives: DEBUG: Scanning disk da0 for root filesystem DEBUG: Scanning disk da0 for swap partitions DEBUG: MakeDev: Unknown major/minor for devtype - (error dialog "WARNING! Unable to swap to /dev/da0b: Invalid argument") DEBUG: MakeDev: Unknown major/minor for devtype - : /dev/rda0a: Invalid argument (error dialog "Unable to make new root filesystem on /dev/rda0a! Command returned status 1") The "devtype -" bit is ominous; it looks like something's out of sync between sysinstall and libdisk... -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 22 20:07:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA08061 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:07:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from toetag.com (toetag.com [206.169.92.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA08054 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:06:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@toetag.com) Received: from toetag.com (tom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by toetag.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA23745; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:05:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901230405.UAA23745@toetag.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mike Smith cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Failures with sysinstall in the 19990114 SNAP In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:11:59 PST." <199901230311.TAA03280@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:05:29 -0800 From: "Tom" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:11:59 PST, Mike Smith writes: > >Ok, finally got this up on my AS200. The obvious problem: > >Partitioning isn't working. Attempting to write stuff directly from the >partition editor gives: > >DEBUG: Scanning disk da0 for root filesystem >DEBUG: Scanning disk da0 for swap partitions >DEBUG: MakeDev: Unknown major/minor for devtype - >(error dialog "WARNING! Unable to swap to /dev/da0b: Invalid argument") >DEBUG: MakeDev: Unknown major/minor for devtype - >: /dev/rda0a: Invalid argument >(error dialog "Unable to make new root filesystem on /dev/rda0a! > Command returned status 1") I get the same thing with my AS200. -- tom@unhooked.net ICQ - 16163541 Get UnHOOKeD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jan 22 22:58:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA24215 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:58:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.0.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24209 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:58:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tls@panix.com) Received: from panix7.panix.com (root@panix7.nyc.access.net [166.84.0.232]) by mail1.panix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/PanixM1.3) with ESMTP id BAA23419; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 01:58:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from tls@localhost) by panix7.panix.com (8.8.8/8.7.1/PanixN1.0) id BAA18087; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 01:58:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 01:58:11 -0500 From: Thor Lancelot Simon To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-alpha@netbsd.org Subject: Re: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: horrible hack / SRM Message-ID: <19990123015811.A17699@rek.tjls.com> Reply-To: tls@rek.tjls.com References: <199901222310.QAA10649@usr09.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <199901222310.QAA10649@usr09.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 11:10:34PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 11:10:34PM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > Stefan Esser is working on AlphaBIOS booting at the moment but it is very > > > > early days. We are still at the stage of reverse-engineering the M$ > > > > executable format... > > > > > > I guess what I am not understanding is why this level of work needs to > > > be done? Cannot MILO be altered to also work with FreeBSD? I can see > > > many advantages in sharing sourcecode for this matter, even though it > > > is from 'the other camp' so to speak... > > > > Milo requires the Linux kernel sources to build. I would also prefer a > > non-gpl solution to the bootstrap. > > Not to mention that Milo replaces the microcode with something other > than SRM and other than ARC, etc, and as a result is constantly > playing catch-up with new boards. You're missing the point. SRM, too, requires "constantly playing catch-up with new boards". The cheap new boards don't have SRM *because Compaq wasn't willing to pay anyone to port it, or their vendors weren't willing to license it and then pay someone to port it. The do-it-yourself SRM kit costs a whopping $75. In fact, it's what MILO is (partially) based on. > Someone should approach Compaq about SRM, now that DEC is no longer > anally trying to keep everything $120 more expensive than running > NT for some sill ass reason... Why bother? A cook-your-own SRM kit is $75, MILO is free, but you still have to port either one of them to every new board just like you'd have to port a PC's BIOS -- they do very analogous things. Unfortunately, the PALcode in the SRM kit is quite old, doesn't work with many newer boards, and is known to be rather buggy, but the MILO folks have updated it (obviously). The question is where on *earth* to get the PALcode source MILO's built from. -- Thor Lancelot Simon tls@rek.tjls.com "And where do all these highways go, now that we are free?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jan 23 00:37:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01885 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:37:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA01880 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:37:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 103yZ0-0000Ze-00; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 01:37:06 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA94394; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 01:35:12 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199901230835.BAA94394@harmony.village.org> To: tls@rek.tjls.com Subject: Re: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: horrible hack / SRM Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-alpha@netbsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 23 Jan 1999 01:58:11 EST." <19990123015811.A17699@rek.tjls.com> References: <19990123015811.A17699@rek.tjls.com> <199901222310.QAA10649@usr09.primenet.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 01:35:11 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <19990123015811.A17699@rek.tjls.com> Thor Lancelot Simon writes: : have updated it (obviously). The question is where on *earth* to get : the PALcode source MILO's built from. At least one version of MILO(alpha) that I downloaded a long time ago had the source to the PAL code in it. BTW, I know that cygwin has support to generate PE COFF files. I don't see any support directly for PE COFF Alpha, but there is much PE COFF support for intel, PPC (and in my tree right now MIPS, which wasn't too horrible). There does appear to be ECOFF support for alpha in at least binutils, if not also in gcc (look at alpha-*-linux). There is good information about the PE COFF format that Terry posted a pointer to earlier that I've been using to complete the mips-hpc-wince (actually mipsel-unknown-cygwin32 since it should work on any mips based win32 PE formatted machine, for all the good supporting MIPS/NT would do). I'm using b19, since that is what I found on the net with basic mips support in it already. b20 may be better in this regard. Warner P.S. I know the mips stuff is a little off topic here, so I'll leave it at that. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jan 23 01:44:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA07128 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 01:44:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07123 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 01:44:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA13255; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 02:44:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd013246; Sat Jan 23 02:44:14 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA14017; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 02:44:13 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199901230944.CAA14017@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: horrible hack / SRM To: tls@rek.tjls.com Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:44:12 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-alpha@netbsd.org In-Reply-To: <19990123015811.A17699@rek.tjls.com> from "Thor Lancelot Simon" at Jan 23, 99 01:58:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Not to mention that Milo replaces the microcode with something other > > than SRM and other than ARC, etc, and as a result is constantly > > playing catch-up with new boards. > > You're missing the point. SRM, too, requires "constantly playing catch-up > with new boards". Yes, but as a DEC product, it's DEC engineers doing the catching up, not 14 year old Linux fanatics with no hardware documentation and a poor understanding of copyright law as it applies to clean-room coding practices. > The cheap new boards don't have SRM *because Compaq > wasn't willing to pay anyone to port it, or their vendors weren't > willing to license it and then pay someone to port it. That's a different animal altogether. > The do-it-yourself SRM kit costs a whopping $75. In fact, it's what > MILO is (partially) based on. And that's a license and a non-disclosure violation. > > Someone should approach Compaq about SRM, now that DEC is no longer > > anally trying to keep everything $120 more expensive than running > > NT for some sill ass reason... > > Why bother? A cook-your-own SRM kit is $75, MILO is free, but you still > have to port either one of them to every new board just like you'd have > to port a PC's BIOS -- they do very analogous things. > > Unfortunately, the PALcode in the SRM kit is quite old, doesn't work with > many newer boards, and is known to be rather buggy, but the MILO folks > have updated it (obviously). The question is where on *earth* to get > the PALcode source MILO's built from. >From my memory of the Linux Alpha port, back when it was first being ported by a student at the University of Arizona in Tucson, the city I was located in at the time, you get the sources by pirating them from DEC using the state of Arizona's University site license, and then hacking them to not intentioanally lock up with less than 32M (16M), and then getting retroactive verbal permission from DEC to distribute them, solely for use with Linux. Of course, someone could have documentation proving this memory wrong; if so, it'd be nice if they came forward. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jan 23 02:36:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA10594 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 02:36:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA10589 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 02:36:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA70361; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:37:20 GMT Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:37:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Thor Lancelot Simon cc: Terry Lambert , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-alpha@netbsd.org Subject: Re: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: horrible hack / SRM In-Reply-To: <19990123015811.A17699@rek.tjls.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: > On Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 11:10:34PM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > > Stefan Esser is working on AlphaBIOS booting at the moment but it is very > > > > > early days. We are still at the stage of reverse-engineering the M$ > > > > > executable format... > > > > > > > > I guess what I am not understanding is why this level of work needs to > > > > be done? Cannot MILO be altered to also work with FreeBSD? I can see > > > > many advantages in sharing sourcecode for this matter, even though it > > > > is from 'the other camp' so to speak... > > > > > > Milo requires the Linux kernel sources to build. I would also prefer a > > > non-gpl solution to the bootstrap. > > > > Not to mention that Milo replaces the microcode with something other > > than SRM and other than ARC, etc, and as a result is constantly > > playing catch-up with new boards. > > You're missing the point. SRM, too, requires "constantly playing catch-up > with new boards". The cheap new boards don't have SRM *because Compaq > wasn't willing to pay anyone to port it, or their vendors weren't > willing to license it and then pay someone to port it. > > The do-it-yourself SRM kit costs a whopping $75. In fact, it's what > MILO is (partially) based on. > > > Someone should approach Compaq about SRM, now that DEC is no longer > > anally trying to keep everything $120 more expensive than running > > NT for some sill ass reason... > > Why bother? A cook-your-own SRM kit is $75, MILO is free, but you still > have to port either one of them to every new board just like you'd have > to port a PC's BIOS -- they do very analogous things. > > Unfortunately, the PALcode in the SRM kit is quite old, doesn't work with > many newer boards, and is known to be rather buggy, but the MILO folks > have updated it (obviously). The question is where on *earth* to get > the PALcode source MILO's built from. According to my information, the palcode source in the milo distribution is what is built. There will also be an update to the EBSDK to include the latest platforms soon. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jan 23 02:38:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA10942 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 02:38:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA10937 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 02:38:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA70365; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:39:37 GMT Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:39:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Tom cc: Mike Smith , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Failures with sysinstall in the 19990114 SNAP In-Reply-To: <199901230405.UAA23745@toetag.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Tom wrote: > On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:11:59 PST, Mike Smith writes: > > > >Ok, finally got this up on my AS200. The obvious problem: > > > >Partitioning isn't working. Attempting to write stuff directly from the > >partition editor gives: > > > >DEBUG: Scanning disk da0 for root filesystem > >DEBUG: Scanning disk da0 for swap partitions > >DEBUG: MakeDev: Unknown major/minor for devtype - > >(error dialog "WARNING! Unable to swap to /dev/da0b: Invalid argument") > >DEBUG: MakeDev: Unknown major/minor for devtype - > >: /dev/rda0a: Invalid argument > >(error dialog "Unable to make new root filesystem on /dev/rda0a! > > Command returned status 1") > > I get the same thing with my AS200. I'll look into it as soon as I can build a release locally. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jan 23 07:40:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA12860 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 07:40:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.150.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA12855 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 07:40:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from heller@informatik.uni-freiburg.de) Received: from joyce.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (joyce.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.168.50]) by avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA04480; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:40:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost by joyce.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA14789; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:34:13 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:34:09 +0100 (MET) From: Martin Heller To: Warner Losh cc: tls@rek.tjls.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PE COFF Alpha is there .. Re: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) In-Reply-To: <199901230835.BAA94394@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org gcc + binutils PE COFF for alpha sources can be taken from ftp://ftp.opennt.com/pub/tw/unsup/gnu/gnu.intel.FSF.master.tgz (yes, there's 'intel' in the file name but the sources for alpha are also inside) ftp://ftp.opennt.com/pub/tw/unsup/gnu/gnu.22final.src.tgz OR ftp://ftp.opennt.com/pub/tw/unsup/gnu/gcc.source.shlib.beta1.tgz be new newer - haven't yet looked inside these .. If you want the cygwin env. , its ftp://guiduck.com/gcc-alpha-b19-src.tar.gz MARTIN On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <19990123015811.A17699@rek.tjls.com> Thor Lancelot Simon writes: > : have updated it (obviously). The question is where on *earth* to get > : the PALcode source MILO's built from. > > BTW, I know that cygwin has support to generate PE COFF files. I > don't see any support directly for PE COFF Alpha, but there is much PE > COFF support for intel, PPC (and in my tree right now MIPS, which > wasn't too horrible). There does appear to be ECOFF support for alpha > in at least binutils, if not also in gcc (look at alpha-*-linux). > There is good information about the PE COFF format that Terry posted a > pointer to earlier that I've been using to complete the mips-hpc-wince > (actually mipsel-unknown-cygwin32 since it should work on any mips > based win32 PE formatted machine, for all the good supporting MIPS/NT > would do). I'm using b19, since that is what I found on the net with > basic mips support in it already. b20 may be better in this regard. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jan 23 08:27:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA17546 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:27:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17541 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:27:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04898; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA31159; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:26:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:26:38 -0500 (EST) To: tls@rek.tjls.com Cc: Terry Lambert , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-alpha@netbsd.org Subject: Re: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: horrible hack / SRM In-Reply-To: <19990123015811.A17699@rek.tjls.com> References: <199901222310.QAA10649@usr09.primenet.com> <19990123015811.A17699@rek.tjls.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13993.63269.64554.310942@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thor Lancelot Simon writes: > You're missing the point. SRM, too, requires "constantly playing catch-up > with new boards". The cheap new boards don't have SRM *because Compaq > wasn't willing to pay anyone to port it, or their vendors weren't > willing to license it and then pay someone to port it. > > The do-it-yourself SRM kit costs a whopping $75. In fact, it's what > MILO is (partially) based on. > What's this $75 do-it-yourself SRM kit? Does it actually include SRM sources?!? What, if any, licensing restrictions are there on distributing binaries produced from it? Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jan 23 08:50:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA20350 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:50:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20336 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:50:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA72031 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:51:53 GMT Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:51:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: HEADS UP: New configuration for syscons Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm just about to commit the changes to make the alpha port use the new syscons in FreeBSD-current. You will need to update your kernel configuration using something similar to the following diff: Index: GENERIC =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/alpha/conf/GENERIC,v retrieving revision 1.14 diff -u -r1.14 GENERIC --- GENERIC 1999/01/18 20:26:50 1.14 +++ GENERIC 1999/01/23 16:05:29 @@ -78,8 +78,17 @@ # real time clock device mcclock0 at isa0 port 0x70 +controller atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD +device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 +device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 + +device vga0 at isa? port ? conflicts + +# splash screen/screen saver +pseudo-device splash + # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console -device sc0 at isa0 port "IO_KBD" irq 1 +device sc0 at isa? device sio0 at isa0 port "IO_COM1" irq 4 device sio1 at isa0 port "IO_COM2" irq 3 flags 0x50 -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jan 23 09:07:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23185 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:07:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23160 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:07:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA72123; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:03:54 GMT Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:03:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Andrew Gallatin cc: tls@rek.tjls.com, Terry Lambert , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-alpha@netbsd.org Subject: Re: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: horrible hack / SRM In-Reply-To: <13993.63269.64554.310942@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Thor Lancelot Simon writes: > > > You're missing the point. SRM, too, requires "constantly playing catch-up > > with new boards". The cheap new boards don't have SRM *because Compaq > > wasn't willing to pay anyone to port it, or their vendors weren't > > willing to license it and then pay someone to port it. > > > > The do-it-yourself SRM kit costs a whopping $75. In fact, it's what > > MILO is (partially) based on. > > > > What's this $75 do-it-yourself SRM kit? Does it actually include SRM > sources?!? What, if any, licensing restrictions are there on > distributing binaries produced from it? It sounds like the EBSDK (which is $75) but I didn't think that included SRM sources. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jan 23 09:12:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23740 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:12:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from saturn.spel.com (ip226-39-143.spel.com [208.226.39.143] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23735 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:12:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mturpin@saturn.spel.com) Received: from localhost (mturpin@localhost) by saturn.spel.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA59416; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:07:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mturpin@saturn.spel.com) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:07:56 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Turpin To: Terry Lambert cc: tls@rek.tjls.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-alpha@netbsd.org Subject: Re: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: horrible hack / SRM In-Reply-To: <199901230944.CAA14017@usr08.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > The do-it-yourself SRM kit costs a whopping $75. In fact, it's what > > MILO is (partially) based on. > > And that's a license and a non-disclosure violation. > Actually I've got MILO v1.3.99 (1996) source and the license from Digital says you can use and distribute the PALcode source free of charge as long as it's used on an alpha. Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Turpin | Consulting - Training - Network Installation Systems Engineer | Main Street Technology Centre | http://www.MainStreetTech.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jan 23 12:58:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14890 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:58:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA14885 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:58:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA13196 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org); Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:52:53 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id VAA03369 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:26:47 +0100 (CET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199901232026.VAA03369@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: panic, same as previous ones? To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD-alpha mailing list) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:26:47 +0100 (CET) X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, The panic below happened during an installworld: Jan 23 21:05:31 alpine last message repeated 3 times panic: found dirty cache page 0xfffffe00000af650 panic Stopped at Debugger..ng+0x24: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffe0003bef9a0> db> trace Debugger..ng() at Debugger..ng+0x24 panic..ng() at panic..ng+0xf0 vm_page_alloc..ng() at vm_page_alloc..ng+0x244 allocbuf..ng() at allocbuf..ng+0x66c getblk..ng() at getblk..ng+0x51c ffs_balloc..ng() at ffs_balloc..ng+0x4c8 ffs_write..ng() at ffs_write..ng+0x364 vn_write..ng() at vn_write..ng+0x160 write..ng() at write..ng+0x12c syscall..ng() at syscall..ng+0x1dc XentSys() at XentSys+0x50 (null)() at 0x120037450 db> Does this look familiar? -current kernel as of Jan 22. Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jan 23 13:11:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15937 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:11:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15932 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:11:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA72980; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:12:21 GMT Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:12:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Wilko Bulte cc: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: panic, same as previous ones? In-Reply-To: <199901232026.VAA03369@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Hi, > > The panic below happened during an installworld: > > Jan 23 21:05:31 alpine last message repeated 3 times > panic: found dirty cache page 0xfffffe00000af650 > panic > Stopped at Debugger..ng+0x24: ldq ra,0(sp) > <0xfffffe0003bef9a0> > db> trace > Debugger..ng() at Debugger..ng+0x24 > panic..ng() at panic..ng+0xf0 > vm_page_alloc..ng() at vm_page_alloc..ng+0x244 > allocbuf..ng() at allocbuf..ng+0x66c > getblk..ng() at getblk..ng+0x51c > ffs_balloc..ng() at ffs_balloc..ng+0x4c8 > ffs_write..ng() at ffs_write..ng+0x364 > vn_write..ng() at vn_write..ng+0x160 > write..ng() at write..ng+0x12c > syscall..ng() at syscall..ng+0x1dc > XentSys() at XentSys+0x50 > (null)() at 0x120037450 > db> > > Does this look familiar? -current kernel as of Jan 22. This is very familiar. I'm trying to work it out with Matt Dillon right now (I have a machine in the debugger as I write this). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jan 23 18:54:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26560 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:54:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA26552 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:54:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA15963; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:54:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA32632; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:54:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:54:11 -0500 (EST) To: Doug Rabson Cc: tls@rek.tjls.com, Terry Lambert , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, port-alpha@netbsd.org Subject: Re: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: horrible hack / SRM In-Reply-To: References: <13993.63269.64554.310942@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13994.35052.570679.212525@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson writes: > On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > What's this $75 do-it-yourself SRM kit? Does it actually include SRM > > sources?!? What, if any, licensing restrictions are there on > > distributing binaries produced from it? > > It sounds like the EBSDK (which is $75) but I didn't think that included > SRM sources. Sigh. I knew it sounded too good to be true :-( Speaking of too good to be true, it would be nice if Compaq would just license the SRM console in source form & let people write the MD portions for 3rd party / low-end boards.. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jan 23 20:27:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06984 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:27:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from eta.ghs.com (eta.ghs.com [208.8.104.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA06979 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:27:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ross@netbsd.org) Received: from generic.hrh.teraflop.com (generic.hrh.teraflop.com [192.168.99.254]) by eta.ghs.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01122; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:27:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ross@localhost) by generic.hrh.teraflop.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA19186; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:26:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:26:47 -0800 (PST) From: Ross Harvey Message-Id: <199901240426.UAA19186@generic.hrh.teraflop.com> To: dfr@nlsystems.com, gallatin@cs.duke.edu Subject: Re: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: horrible hack / SRM Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, port-alpha@netbsd.org, tlambert@primenet.com, tls@rek.tjls.com Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: Andrew Gallatin > Doug Rabson writes: > > On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > > What's this $75 do-it-yourself SRM kit? Does it actually include SRM > > > sources?!? What, if any, licensing restrictions are there on > > > distributing binaries produced from it? > > > > It sounds like the EBSDK (which is $75) but I didn't think that included > > SRM sources. > > Sigh. I knew it sounded too good to be true :-( > > Speaking of too good to be true, it would be nice if Compaq would just > license the SRM console in source form & let people write the MD > portions for 3rd party / low-end boards.. > > Drew > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Since the point has frequently been missed in this thread, it might help to point out the centerpiece of Compaq's alpha firmware strategy: they very intentionally and severely restrict SRM in order to prevent DU from running on either low end Compaq systems or on any Samsung system at all. Some older Samsung boards were so close as to be able to run the DEC SRM, but that isn't likely to happen in the future. Samsung doesn't really care because the NT and Linux markets are their targets anyway. Now, I've been communicating with some Compaq staffers about the console interests of freenix developers. We are making some progress and may have some good news to report shortly. It will, however, only apply to the Compaq boards, and probably not to anything from Samsung. More sighs. I'm afraid I started some of the folklore that is circulating about the MILO palcode. Over a year ago I tried running NetBSD on top of the console I had written (for the Avalon A12 parallel processor) and in which was incorporated the free ebsdk palcode. It occasionally made it to a `login:' prompt, but would quickly die due to obscure TLB coherency bugs (or something that looked like that) in the free palcode. I was on the verge of fixing the free palcode when DEC just gave me (well, Avalon) the real palcode, which worked great, running NetBSD as solid as a rock. At that point I took what seemed like the obvious guess that versions of MILO provided to alpha linux box retailers must have had a binary version of the real palcode in them. (Which would imply a GPL violation.) After all, that was the deal Compaq made with me (except I wasn't bundling GPL'ed code into my binary console :-) and so I guessed it was what they did with others. But in the course of the negotiations with Compaq over console products, I talked to some insiders who swore up and down that MILO uses the public ebsdk palcode and that all the sources to MILO are public. The claims and catches are: 1. the linux kernel uses only the functions of the palcode that work, and 2. partly because of the ebsdk palcode problems, MILO only works on a few system types. Part of the confusion stems from the fact that Compaq has (or had) several MILO directories on gatekeeper...some of them truly ancient. A net surfer stumbling on one of the old ones would readily conclude that the good stuff is in a quietly arranged binary distribution. So, `the truth is out there', and I have seen much more recent MILO's ... perhaps this time there is no conspiracy. :-) Ross.Harvey@Computer.Org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message