From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 9 7: 6:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.bgnett.no (post.bgnett.no [194.54.96.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7FA15176 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 07:06:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) Received: from freebsd.habatech.no ([62.92.133.2]) by post.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22470 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 16:06:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) From: erik@habatech.no Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 16:13:06 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: erik@habatech.no Organization: Habatech AS To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Alpha snapshots Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know when the next snapshot of current-alpha is planned to be put on ftp.freebsd.org? Alternatively, any references to sites with more updated snapshots? Regards. -- --------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ Erik H. Bakke, Habatech AS | To be or not to be... | E-Mail: erik@habatech.no | Is simply a question of binary logic. | Consultancy, Development, Sales | | --------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 9 7:31:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from maile.telia.com (maile.telia.com [194.22.190.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF7B15509; Sun, 9 May 1999 07:31:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khaled@mailbox.telia.net) Received: from mailbox.telia.net (khaled@mailbox.telia.net [194.237.170.234]) by maile.telia.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06395; Sun, 9 May 1999 16:31:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (khaled@localhost) by mailbox.telia.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA13086; Sun, 9 May 1999 16:31:18 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 16:31:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Khaled Daham To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: de driver problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello folks I cvsupped,made world, built a kernel today and from now on the de interfaces only comes up in 100BaseTX, what causes it not to negotiate ? My Apr_29 kernel doesnt behave like this. The link lamp flickered like hell so it was quite a nice atmosphere for awhile , but i got tired of it :) /Khaled, Telia Network Services Mail: khaled@telia.net Cell: 070-6785492 Work: 08-4567281 :hacker: /n./ [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 9 13:55: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F961538A for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 13:55:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA37860; Sun, 9 May 1999 21:54:58 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:54:58 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: erik@habatech.no Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha snapshots In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 May 1999 erik@habatech.no wrote: > Does anyone know when the next snapshot of current-alpha is planned to > be put on ftp.freebsd.org? > Alternatively, any references to sites with more updated snapshots? > > Regards. I'm hoping to see a snap of 3.2 appear in the next day or two. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 9 13:58:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4EC15638; Sun, 9 May 1999 13:58:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA37867; Sun, 9 May 1999 21:58:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:58:40 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Khaled Daham Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: de driver problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 May 1999, Khaled Daham wrote: > Hello folks > > I cvsupped,made world, built a kernel today and from now on the de > interfaces only comes up in 100BaseTX, what causes it not to negotiate ? > My Apr_29 kernel doesnt behave like this. > > The link lamp flickered like hell so it was quite a nice atmosphere for > awhile , but i got tired of it :) > > /Khaled, Telia Network Services > > Mail: khaled@telia.net > Cell: 070-6785492 > Work: 08-4567281 > > :hacker: /n./ [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] Some tulip boards in alpha systems don't autonegociate properly so the SRM has a way of forcing them to a particular mode. A change was made recently to respect the SRM setting instead of using autoneg. The variable is typically called ewa0_mode. To find the right setting, type >>>set ewa0_mode from the SRM prompt and it will give you a list of settings. Choose one, then type e.g.: >>>set ewa0_mode Twisted-Pair -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 9 14:21:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mta3.mail.telepac.pt (mail7.telepac.pt [194.65.3.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6020015168 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 14:21:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpedras@mail.telepac.pt) Received: from manecao.tafkap.priv ([194.65.203.2]) by mta3.mail.telepac.pt (InterMail v03.02.07 118-124-101) with ESMTP id <19990509212119.CDNR11535@manecao.tafkap.priv> for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 22:21:19 +0100 Content-Length: 1772 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 22:21:20 +0100 (BST) From: Joao Pedras To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: installing on alpha Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all! I have been trying to install freebsd on a (old!) alpha machine. It is a Digital 3000 Model 300LX. It has a tape device, 2 hard disks (500Mb and 2Gb), a cd-rom and nic. It has been difficult because the machine has no floppy drive and the cd player seems to have a hard time reading the cd's I have made with boot.flp for alpha. CD's made with the same recording procedure work on the x86 platform. The machine has DEC OSF/1 installed and this would be an excelent time to change it to FreeBSD. This is primarily a pop server and it would be nice to start introducing FreeBSD in all machines we have in this platform. We don't have any other machine with the kind of tapes this one is using, so using the tape doesn't seem possible. The machine has SRM console firmware installed. It is not the last version, but it is 1 year old. We did this update with cd-rom supplied by Digital. Do you guys have an idea of how this installation could be done ? Has anyone installed FreeBSD on this kind of machine with success ? Has anyone tried some kind of network installation using SRM console features ? I also tried an OpenBSD 2.4 cd-rom I have. Kernel stops with some kind error about scc0 (isn't this the console ?) If anyone has any sugestion, please say something. Thanks! Joao Pedras ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sent on 09-May-99 at 18:39:23 Powered by FreeBSD -> http://www.freebsd.org <- "The Power to Serve" PGP key available upon request or may be cut at http://members.tripod.com/fbsd/pgpkey.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The sooner all the animals are dead, the sooner we'll find their money." -- Ed Bluestone, "The National Lampoon" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 9 14:26:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7528915168 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 14:26:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA14371; Sun, 9 May 1999 17:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA18948; Sun, 9 May 1999 17:26:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 17:26:25 -0400 (EDT) To: Joao Pedras Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: installing on alpha In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14133.64709.38809.554590@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I did the original work to get this machine supported & it worked fine before the switch to CAM SCSI. Unfortunately, I no longer have access to such a machine, and even if I did, I don't currently have the time or the knowledge required to CAM'ify the esp driver that all 3000 series alphas need.. Any volunteers out there? Until the esp driver is CAM'ified, this machine is usable only in a diskless configuration. Sorry, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 Joao Pedras writes: > Hello all! > > I have been trying to install freebsd on a (old!) alpha machine. It is a > Digital 3000 Model 300LX. It has a tape device, 2 hard disks (500Mb and 2Gb), a > cd-rom and nic. > It has been difficult because the machine has no floppy drive and the cd player > seems to have a hard time reading the cd's I have made with boot.flp for alpha. > CD's made with the same recording procedure work on the x86 platform. > The machine has DEC OSF/1 installed and this would be an excelent time to > change it to FreeBSD. This is primarily a pop server and it would be nice to > start introducing FreeBSD in all machines we have in this platform. > We don't have any other machine with the kind of tapes this one is using, so > using the tape doesn't seem possible. > The machine has SRM console firmware installed. It is not the last version, but > it is 1 year old. We did this update with cd-rom supplied by Digital. > > Do you guys have an idea of how this installation could be done ? Has anyone > installed FreeBSD on this kind of machine with success ? > Has anyone tried some kind of network installation using SRM console features ? > > I also tried an OpenBSD 2.4 cd-rom I have. Kernel stops with some kind error > about scc0 (isn't this the console ?) > > If anyone has any sugestion, please say something. > > Thanks! > > Joao Pedras > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sent on 09-May-99 at 18:39:23 > Powered by FreeBSD -> http://www.freebsd.org <- "The Power to Serve" > PGP key available upon request or may be cut at > http://members.tripod.com/fbsd/pgpkey.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > "The sooner all the animals are dead, the sooner we'll find their > money." > -- Ed Bluestone, "The National Lampoon" > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 9 14:36:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mta1.mail.telepac.pt (mail1.telepac.pt [194.65.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175CE15168 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 14:36:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpedras@mail.telepac.pt) Received: from manecao.tafkap.priv ([194.65.203.2]) by mta1.mail.telepac.pt (InterMail v03.02.07 118-124-101) with ESMTP id <19990509213642.CEGT15667@manecao.tafkap.priv>; Sun, 9 May 1999 22:36:42 +0100 Content-Length: 1236 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14133.64709.38809.554590@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 22:36:43 +0100 (BST) From: Joao Pedras To: Andrew Gallatin Subject: Re: installing on alpha Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org tkx for the quick reply Andrew what about openbsd ? can you tell me something about the error with device scc0? it occurs when booting from the installation cd-rom of openbsd... I can't detail the error at this moment but I can say something about it tomorrow... thanks Joao On 09-May-99 Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > I did the original work to get this machine supported & it worked fine > before the switch to CAM SCSI. Unfortunately, I no longer have access > to such a machine, and even if I did, I don't currently have the time > or the knowledge required to CAM'ify the esp driver that all 3000 > series alphas need.. Any volunteers out there? > > Until the esp driver is CAM'ified, this machine is usable only in > a diskless configuration. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sent on 09-May-99 at 22:33:38 Powered by FreeBSD -> http://www.freebsd.org <- "The Power to Serve" PGP key available upon request or may be cut at http://members.tripod.com/fbsd/pgpkey.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nothing is faster than the speed of light ... To prove this to yourself, try opening the refrigerator door before the light comes on. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 9 14:39: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4AF15168 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 14:39:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA14585; Sun, 9 May 1999 17:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA19051; Sun, 9 May 1999 17:38:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 17:38:57 -0400 (EDT) To: Joao Pedras Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: installing on alpha In-Reply-To: References: <14133.64709.38809.554590@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14134.16.359926.762596@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joao Pedras writes: > tkx for the quick reply Andrew > > what about openbsd ? can you tell me something about the error with device scc0? > > it occurs when booting from the installation cd-rom of openbsd... > > I can't detail the error at this moment but I can say something about it > tomorrow... > > thanks > > Joao > Never used OpenBSD. If you're not prepared to run diskless, I'd suggest NetBSD for now.. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 9 15: 7:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mta3.mail.telepac.pt (mail7.telepac.pt [194.65.3.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2AC14D95 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 15:07:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpedras@mail.telepac.pt) Received: from manecao.tafkap.priv ([194.65.203.2]) by mta3.mail.telepac.pt (InterMail v03.02.07 118-124-101) with ESMTP id <19990509220726.CJFJ11535@manecao.tafkap.priv>; Sun, 9 May 1999 23:07:26 +0100 Content-Length: 1445 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14134.16.359926.762596@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 23:07:27 +0100 (BST) From: Joao Pedras To: Andrew Gallatin Subject: Re: installing on alpha Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org you know for sure that NetBSD will run on this hardware ? well, I've been playing around with bootp from some time now what would you suggest ? On 09-May-99 Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Joao Pedras writes: > > tkx for the quick reply Andrew > > > > what about openbsd ? can you tell me something about the error with device > scc0? > > > > it occurs when booting from the installation cd-rom of openbsd... > > > > I can't detail the error at this moment but I can say something about it > > tomorrow... > > > > thanks > > > > Joao > > > > Never used OpenBSD. If you're not prepared to run diskless, I'd > suggest NetBSD for now.. > > Drew > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin > Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu > Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sent on 09-May-99 at 23:02:56 Powered by FreeBSD -> http://www.freebsd.org <- "The Power to Serve" PGP key available upon request or may be cut at http://members.tripod.com/fbsd/pgpkey.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The [Ford Foundation] is a large body of money completely surrounded by people who want some. -- Dwight MacDonald To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 9 15:16:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F40F15C9D for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 15:16:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA15181; Sun, 9 May 1999 18:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA19244; Sun, 9 May 1999 18:16:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 18:16:31 -0400 (EDT) To: Joao Pedras Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: installing on alpha In-Reply-To: References: <14134.16.359926.762596@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14134.1921.501643.510@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joao Pedras writes: > > you know for sure that NetBSD will run on this hardware ? It did last summer. > well, I've been playing around with bootp from some time now > > what would you suggest ? Do whatever makes you feel most comfortable, you're better able to weigh the pros & cons than I am. Booting it diskless *should* work; but I don't think anybody has run FreeBSD on a Turbochannel alpha in quite some time. There are lots of people running NetBSD on TC alphas. If you're willing to spend the time to get a diskless setup working & you're most comfortable with FreeBSD, then use FreeBSD. If you want a system which "just works", use NetBSD. They have better hardware support for turbo channel alphas. Ideally you (or somebody else with access to the hardware & time) would take the time to CAM'ify the esp driver & port the NetBSD serial port driver. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 9 15:43: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mta3.mail.telepac.pt (mail7.telepac.pt [194.65.3.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBA314C8E for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 15:43:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpedras@mail.telepac.pt) Received: from manecao.tafkap.priv ([194.65.203.2]) by mta3.mail.telepac.pt (InterMail v03.02.07 118-124-101) with ESMTP id <19990509224309.CNJZ11535@manecao.tafkap.priv>; Sun, 9 May 1999 23:43:09 +0100 Content-Length: 647 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14134.1921.501643.510@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 23:43:09 +0100 (BST) From: Joao Pedras To: Andrew Gallatin Subject: Re: installing on alpha Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org : ) here's an idea if I make a boot cd from the boot floppy, will I be able to install from network ? much in the same way we make bootable cd-rom's for freebsd, with the 2.88Mb image... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sent on 09-May-99 at 23:41:14 Powered by FreeBSD -> http://www.freebsd.org <- "The Power to Serve" PGP key available upon request or may be cut at http://members.tripod.com/fbsd/pgpkey.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The older I grow the more I distrust the familiar doctrine that age brings wisdom. -- H. L. Mencken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 9 19:14: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB614153E2 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 19:13:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA16045; Sun, 9 May 1999 19:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905100213.TAA16045@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: Joao Pedras Cc: Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: installing on alpha Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 19:13:45 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 09 May 1999 23:07:27 +0100 (BST) Joao Pedras wrote: > you know for sure that NetBSD will run on this hardware ? NetBSD definitely runs on that hardware. NetBSD/alpha's original platform was the DEC 3000 series. I personally run NetBSD/alpha on a 3000/400, which is very similar to a 3000/300. -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 10 2:13: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from qui.uc.pt (qui.uc.pt [192.84.13.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B989D14F94 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 02:12:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pedro@qui.uc.pt) Received: from localhost (pedro@localhost) by qui.uc.pt (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA13488; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:27:26 +0100 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:27:26 +0100 (WET) From: Pedro Almeida To: Jason Thorpe Cc: Joao Pedras , Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: installing on alpha In-Reply-To: <199905100213.TAA16045@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How may I boot the initial (pre-install) kernel without a floppy? I had the same problem when I tried with FreeBSD! Thanks in advance, Pedro On Sun, 9 May 1999, Jason Thorpe wrote: > On Sun, 09 May 1999 23:07:27 +0100 (BST) > Joao Pedras wrote: > > > you know for sure that NetBSD will run on this hardware ? > > NetBSD definitely runs on that hardware. NetBSD/alpha's original > platform was the DEC 3000 series. > > I personally run NetBSD/alpha on a 3000/400, which is very similar to a > 3000/300. > > -- Jason R. Thorpe > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 10 5:57:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from swp5.gs.com (swp5.gs.com [192.246.9.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B1D1556D for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 05:57:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Wally.Koscielny@gs.com) Received: from swp5.gs.com (root@localhost) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id IAA25234; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com ([138.8.220.34]) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id IAA25216; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsny24e.et.gs.com (gsny24e.et.gs.com [138.8.115.34]) by nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/postoffice1) with ESMTP id IAA12856; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gsny24e.et.gs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:56:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Koscielny, Wally" To: "'Mike Smith'" , Russell Cattelan Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: SRM rom Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 08:56:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have the location written down at home, when I get home I will post it for you. If its no longer there I can put it up on my ftp. WK > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Smith [SMTP:mike@smith.net.au] > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 1999 6:17 PM > To: Russell Cattelan > Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: SRM rom > > > Does anybody have a copy of the rom for the pc164lx motherboard? > > I can't seem to find the thing anywhere on digitals ftp sight. > > (just the fwupdate.exe program) > > Are you trying to upgrade a system that already has SRM, or convert an > AlphaBIOS system to SRM? > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 10 6:12: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D151504A for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 06:11:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA52185; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:11:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:11:51 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "Koscielny, Wally" Cc: "'Mike Smith'" , Russell Cattelan , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: RE: SRM rom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 10 May 1999, Koscielny, Wally wrote: > I have the location written down at home, when I get home I will post it for > you. > If its no longer there I can put it up on my ftp. > > WK I just upgraded the firmware on my 164lx. I downloaded the contents of ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/v5.4/alphapc164lx and used the SRM 'fwupdate' command. Just put the file lx164_v5_4.exe on a FAT formatted floppy and rename it to fwupdate.exe, then type 'fwupdate' from the SRM prompt. I think you can switch from AlphaBIOS to SRM with this too. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 10 6:14:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.bgnett.no (post.bgnett.no [194.54.96.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 954A215130 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 06:14:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) Received: from freebsd.habatech.no ([62.92.133.2]) by post.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26917; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:13:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) From: erik@habatech.no Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:20:23 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: erik@habatech.no Organization: Habatech AS To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: Alpha snapshots Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 09-May-99 Doug Rabson wrote: > On Sun, 9 May 1999 erik@habatech.no wrote: > >> Does anyone know when the next snapshot of current-alpha is planned to >> be put on ftp.freebsd.org? > > I'm hoping to see a snap of 3.2 appear in the next day or two. > Thank you. (Deep bows :) That will probably be just what I need to once and for all ditch the M$ system on that computer. (Such a waste of power... :) Regards. -- --------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ Erik H. Bakke, Habatech AS | To be or not to be... | E-Mail: erik@habatech.no | Is simply a question of binary logic. | Consultancy, Development, Sales | | --------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 10 9:15:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD201530E for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:15:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA25748; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905101614.JAA25748@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: Pedro Almeida Cc: Joao Pedras , Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: installing on alpha Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:14:21 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 10 May 1999 10:27:26 +0100 (WET) Pedro Almeida wrote: > How may I boot the initial (pre-install) kernel without a floppy? Boot from CD-ROM, or netboot, or dd a disk image to another disk, or boot from tape. All of these are options for NetBSD. NetBSD 1.4 is mere days from being announced as released. Check the NetBSD/alpha install notes. -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 10 13: 6:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from master.telia.net (master.telia.net [194.237.170.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C41C152A4 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:06:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from elite@master.telia.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by master.telia.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA11582; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:18:24 GMT Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:18:24 GMT From: khaled daham Message-Id: <199905102218.WAA11582@master.telia.net> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SRM rom X-Newsgroups: sol.lists.freebsd.alpha In-Reply-To: User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990413 ("Endemoniada") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/2.2.7-STABLE (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article you wrote: > On Mon, 10 May 1999, Koscielny, Wally wrote: >> I have the location written down at home, when I get home I will post it for >> you. >> If its no longer there I can put it up on my ftp. >> >> WK > I just upgraded the firmware on my 164lx. I downloaded the contents of > ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/v5.4/alphapc164lx and used > the SRM 'fwupdate' command. Just put the file lx164_v5_4.exe on a FAT > formatted floppy and rename it to fwupdate.exe, then type 'fwupdate' from > the SRM prompt. I think you can switch from AlphaBIOS to SRM with this > too. > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 If it is just the fwupdate then no you cant go from alphabios to srm. srm for LX boards has a price/license , you need a srm-image to use fwupdate .. I however was able to convince ppl at digital to send it to me , I managed to convince them that i wouldnt use osf/1 just *bsd. So the licensing issue was no longer a problem.. this problem only occurs with the LX boards i think. f.e the multia doesnt have this licensing issue and the rom-image can be found at ftp.digital.com .. -- /Khaled, Telia Network Services :hacker: /n./ [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 10 13:37: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A29D115D7C; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:36:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id WAA09472; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:34:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA46622; Sun, 9 May 1999 23:11:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199905092111.XAA46622@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: de driver problem In-Reply-To: from Doug Rabson at "May 9, 1999 9:58:40 pm" To: dfr@nlsystems.com (Doug Rabson) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 23:11:48 +0200 (CEST) Cc: khaled@mailbox.telia.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Doug Rabson wrote ... > On Sun, 9 May 1999, Khaled Daham wrote: > > > Hello folks > > > > I cvsupped,made world, built a kernel today and from now on the de > > interfaces only comes up in 100BaseTX, what causes it not to negotiate ? > > My Apr_29 kernel doesnt behave like this. > > > > The link lamp flickered like hell so it was quite a nice atmosphere for > > awhile , but i got tired of it :) > > > > /Khaled, Telia Network Services > > > > Mail: khaled@telia.net > > Cell: 070-6785492 > > Work: 08-4567281 > > > > :hacker: /n./ [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] > > Some tulip boards in alpha systems don't autonegociate properly so the SRM > has a way of forcing them to a particular mode. A change was made recently Recently... I think it's been there for a couple of years. > to respect the SRM setting instead of using autoneg. The variable is > typically called ewa0_mode. To find the right setting, type > > >>>set ewa0_mode > > from the SRM prompt and it will give you a list of settings. Choose one, > then type e.g.: > > >>>set ewa0_mode Twisted-Pair Keep in mind that older SRMs that understand the older Tulip 10/100Mbit chips (21140 IRRC) might not recognise the new ones (is that the 21143?) Bit me once.. Groeten / Cheers, | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 10 14:28:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A620414C19; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:28:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA58821; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:28:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:28:49 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Wilko Bulte Cc: khaled@mailbox.telia.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: de driver problem In-Reply-To: <199905092111.XAA46622@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 May 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > As Doug Rabson wrote ... > > On Sun, 9 May 1999, Khaled Daham wrote: > > > > > Hello folks > > > > > > I cvsupped,made world, built a kernel today and from now on the de > > > interfaces only comes up in 100BaseTX, what causes it not to negotiate ? > > > My Apr_29 kernel doesnt behave like this. > > > > > > The link lamp flickered like hell so it was quite a nice atmosphere for > > > awhile , but i got tired of it :) > > > > > > /Khaled, Telia Network Services > > > > > > Mail: khaled@telia.net > > > Cell: 070-6785492 > > > Work: 08-4567281 > > > > > > :hacker: /n./ [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] > > > > Some tulip boards in alpha systems don't autonegociate properly so the SRM > > has a way of forcing them to a particular mode. A change was made recently > > Recently... I think it's been there for a couple of years. Maybe you are remembering a NetBSD change? We just started doing the same thing in FreeBSD recently. > > > to respect the SRM setting instead of using autoneg. The variable is > > typically called ewa0_mode. To find the right setting, type > > > > >>>set ewa0_mode > > > > from the SRM prompt and it will give you a list of settings. Choose one, > > then type e.g.: > > > > >>>set ewa0_mode Twisted-Pair > > Keep in mind that older SRMs that understand the older Tulip 10/100Mbit > chips (21140 IRRC) might not recognise the new ones (is that the 21143?) > > Bit me once.. Yeah. That must be why my 164lx won't netboot. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 10 15:54: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD2515545 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:53:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA58987; Mon, 10 May 1999 23:53:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:53:49 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: khaled daham Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SRM rom In-Reply-To: <199905102218.WAA11582@master.telia.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 10 May 1999, khaled daham wrote: > In article you wrote: > > On Mon, 10 May 1999, Koscielny, Wally wrote: > > >> I have the location written down at home, when I get home I will post it for > >> you. > >> If its no longer there I can put it up on my ftp. > >> > >> WK > > > I just upgraded the firmware on my 164lx. I downloaded the contents of > > ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/v5.4/alphapc164lx and used > > the SRM 'fwupdate' command. Just put the file lx164_v5_4.exe on a FAT > > formatted floppy and rename it to fwupdate.exe, then type 'fwupdate' from > > the SRM prompt. I think you can switch from AlphaBIOS to SRM with this > > too. > > > -- > > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > If it is just the fwupdate then no you cant go from alphabios to srm. > srm for LX boards has a price/license , you need a srm-image to use fwupdate .. > I however was able to convince ppl at digital to send it to me , > I managed to convince them that i wouldnt use osf/1 just *bsd. > So the licensing issue was no longer a problem.. > this problem only occurs with the LX boards i think. f.e the multia > doesnt have this licensing issue and the rom-image can be found at > ftp.digital.com .. I originally switched from AlphaBIOS to SRM using a rom file which I downloaded from ftp.digital.com. I think it might have been in the v5.0 firmware release. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 10 15:59:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5667115599 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:59:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01875; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:57:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199905102257.PAA01875@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Doug Rabson Cc: khaled daham , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SRM rom In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 May 1999 23:53:49 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:57:31 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > I just upgraded the firmware on my 164lx. I downloaded the contents of > I originally switched from AlphaBIOS to SRM using a rom file which I > downloaded from ftp.digital.com. I think it might have been in the v5.0 > firmware release. All of the parts required to convert AlphaBIOS to SRM on the LX are available at http://www.freebsd.org/~msmith/alpha/pc164lx Put all the files on a floppy, boot AlphaBIOS, select Upgrade, it boots AlphaBIOS again, select Upgrade, then pick SRM from the combo box and let it do its stuff. You may want to then upgrade to a later SRM. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 11 0:46:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from master.telia.net (master.telia.net [194.237.170.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA4115891 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:46:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@master.telia.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by master.telia.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA15116; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:58:34 GMT Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:58:34 GMT From: khaled Message-Id: <199905110958.JAA15116@master.telia.net> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SRM rom X-Newsgroups: sol.lists.freebsd.alpha In-Reply-To: <199905102218.WAA11582_master.telia.net@ns.sol.net> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990413 ("Endemoniada") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/2.2.7-STABLE (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article you wrote: > On Mon, 10 May 1999, khaled daham wrote: >> In article you wrote: >> > On Mon, 10 May 1999, Koscielny, Wally wrote: >> >> >> I have the location written down at home, when I get home I will post it for >> >> you. >> >> If its no longer there I can put it up on my ftp. >> >> >> >> WK >> >> > I just upgraded the firmware on my 164lx. I downloaded the contents of >> > ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/v5.4/alphapc164lx and used >> > the SRM 'fwupdate' command. Just put the file lx164_v5_4.exe on a FAT >> > formatted floppy and rename it to fwupdate.exe, then type 'fwupdate' from >> > the SRM prompt. I think you can switch from AlphaBIOS to SRM with this >> > too. >> >> > -- >> > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com >> > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 >> >> If it is just the fwupdate then no you cant go from alphabios to srm. >> srm for LX boards has a price/license , you need a srm-image to use fwupdate .. >> I however was able to convince ppl at digital to send it to me , >> I managed to convince them that i wouldnt use osf/1 just *bsd. >> So the licensing issue was no longer a problem.. >> this problem only occurs with the LX boards i think. f.e the multia >> doesnt have this licensing issue and the rom-image can be found at >> ftp.digital.com .. > I originally switched from AlphaBIOS to SRM using a rom file which I > downloaded from ftp.digital.com. I think it might have been in the v5.0 > firmware release. Well i think i remember that there was a rom file for lx boards before. But i dont think its there anymore Below is a snipped from my conversation with digital. --- #Khaled, #The Multia was designed by a different group in Digital (now Compaq). Our #guidelines are different than theirs. I'm really not suppose to do this but #since you going to run FreeBSD and not Digital UNIX I have attached the ROM #file for the SRM Console V5.3 which you can flash into the ROM from #AlphaBIOS. #Regards, #Karen --- Here is another snippet. --- #Khaled, #The SRM Console license costs $10,000. However, this is only for companies #who are building Alpha systems and re-selling them. If you are using these #systems for evaluation only you should be all set. #Regards, #Karen --- -- /Khaled, Telia Network Services :hacker: /n./ [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 11 7:14:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from swp5.gs.com (swp5.gs.com [192.246.9.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629C3159B1 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:14:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Wally.Koscielny@gs.com) Received: from swp5.gs.com (root@localhost) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id KAA27597; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com ([138.8.220.34]) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id KAA27587; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsny24e.et.gs.com (gsny24e.et.gs.com [138.8.115.34]) by nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/postoffice1) with ESMTP id KAA23815; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gsny24e.et.gs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:13:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Koscielny, Wally" To: "'khaled'" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: SRM rom Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:13:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The files you guys are looking for are at; ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/v5.4/alphapc164lx The license states that this is for the UNIX version which basically means you are not "supposed" to use it with an NT only chip, aka the 533, but it will work on it, you will just be breaking the license agreement. And Compaq will hunt you down ;) But since we are not going to be using Digital UNIX here, well then we are not breaking any licensing crap. WK > -----Original Message----- > From: khaled [SMTP:root@master.telia.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 5:59 AM > To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: SRM rom > > In article > > you wrote: > > On Mon, 10 May 1999, khaled daham wrote: > > >> In article > > you wrote: > >> > On Mon, 10 May 1999, Koscielny, Wally wrote: > >> > >> >> I have the location written down at home, when I get home I will > post it for > >> >> you. > >> >> If its no longer there I can put it up on my ftp. > >> >> > >> >> WK > >> > >> > I just upgraded the firmware on my 164lx. I downloaded the contents > of > >> > ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/v5.4/alphapc164lx and > used > >> > the SRM 'fwupdate' command. Just put the file lx164_v5_4.exe on a FAT > >> > formatted floppy and rename it to fwupdate.exe, then type 'fwupdate' > from > >> > the SRM prompt. I think you can switch from AlphaBIOS to SRM with > this > >> > too. > >> > >> > -- > >> > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > >> > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > >> > >> If it is just the fwupdate then no you cant go from alphabios to srm. > >> srm for LX boards has a price/license , you need a srm-image to use > fwupdate .. > >> I however was able to convince ppl at digital to send it to me , > >> I managed to convince them that i wouldnt use osf/1 just *bsd. > >> So the licensing issue was no longer a problem.. > >> this problem only occurs with the LX boards i think. f.e the multia > >> doesnt have this licensing issue and the rom-image can be found at > >> ftp.digital.com .. > > > I originally switched from AlphaBIOS to SRM using a rom file which I > > downloaded from ftp.digital.com. I think it might have been in the v5.0 > > firmware release. > > Well i think i remember that there was a rom file for lx boards before. > But i dont think its there anymore > > Below is a snipped from my conversation with digital. > --- > #Khaled, > > #The Multia was designed by a different group in Digital (now Compaq). > Our > #guidelines are different than theirs. I'm really not suppose to do this > but > #since you going to run FreeBSD and not Digital UNIX I have attached the > ROM > #file for the SRM Console V5.3 which you can flash into the ROM from > #AlphaBIOS. > > #Regards, > > #Karen > --- > > Here is another snippet. > > --- > #Khaled, > > #The SRM Console license costs $10,000. However, this is only for > companies > #who are building Alpha systems and re-selling them. If you are using > these > #systems for evaluation only you should be all set. > > #Regards, > > #Karen > --- > > -- > /Khaled, Telia Network Services > > :hacker: /n./ [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 11 7:18:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from swp5.gs.com (swp5.gs.com [192.246.9.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C301715C6E for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:18:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Wally.Koscielny@gs.com) Received: from swp5.gs.com (root@localhost) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id KAA01323 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com ([138.8.220.34]) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id KAA01295 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsny24e.et.gs.com (gsny24e.et.gs.com [138.8.115.34]) by nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/postoffice1) with ESMTP id KAA26207 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gsny24e.et.gs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:18:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Koscielny, Wally" To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: SRM rom Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:18:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org BTW, The only file you will need from there is; fwupdate.exe Just put it on a floppy and do what someone mentioned before on this thread. WK > -----Original Message----- > From: Koscielny, Wally [SMTP:Wally.Koscielny@gs.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 10:14 AM > To: 'khaled'; freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: SRM rom > > The files you guys are looking for are at; > > ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/v5.4/alphapc164lx > > The license states that this is for the UNIX version which basically means > you are not "supposed" to use it with an NT only chip, aka the 533, but it > will work on it, you will just be breaking the license agreement. And > Compaq > will hunt you down ;) But since we are not going to be using Digital UNIX > here, well then we are not breaking any licensing crap. > > WK > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: khaled [SMTP:root@master.telia.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 5:59 AM > > To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: SRM rom > > > > In article > > > > > you wrote: > > > On Mon, 10 May 1999, khaled daham wrote: > > > > >> In article > > > > > you wrote: > > >> > On Mon, 10 May 1999, Koscielny, Wally wrote: > > >> > > >> >> I have the location written down at home, when I get home I will > > post it for > > >> >> you. > > >> >> If its no longer there I can put it up on my ftp. > > >> >> > > >> >> WK > > >> > > >> > I just upgraded the firmware on my 164lx. I downloaded the contents > > of > > >> > ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/v5.4/alphapc164lx and > > used > > >> > the SRM 'fwupdate' command. Just put the file lx164_v5_4.exe on a > FAT > > >> > formatted floppy and rename it to fwupdate.exe, then type > 'fwupdate' > > from > > >> > the SRM prompt. I think you can switch from AlphaBIOS to SRM with > > this > > >> > too. > > >> > > >> > -- > > >> > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > > >> > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > >> > > >> If it is just the fwupdate then no you cant go from alphabios to srm. > > >> srm for LX boards has a price/license , you need a srm-image to use > > fwupdate .. > > >> I however was able to convince ppl at digital to send it to me , > > >> I managed to convince them that i wouldnt use osf/1 just *bsd. > > >> So the licensing issue was no longer a problem.. > > >> this problem only occurs with the LX boards i think. f.e the multia > > >> doesnt have this licensing issue and the rom-image can be found at > > >> ftp.digital.com .. > > > > > I originally switched from AlphaBIOS to SRM using a rom file which I > > > downloaded from ftp.digital.com. I think it might have been in the > v5.0 > > > firmware release. > > > > Well i think i remember that there was a rom file for lx boards before. > > But i dont think its there anymore > > > > Below is a snipped from my conversation with digital. > > --- > > #Khaled, > > > > #The Multia was designed by a different group in Digital (now Compaq). > > Our > > #guidelines are different than theirs. I'm really not suppose to do > this > > but > > #since you going to run FreeBSD and not Digital UNIX I have attached the > > ROM > > #file for the SRM Console V5.3 which you can flash into the ROM from > > #AlphaBIOS. > > > > #Regards, > > > > #Karen > > --- > > > > Here is another snippet. > > > > --- > > #Khaled, > > > > #The SRM Console license costs $10,000. However, this is only for > > companies > > #who are building Alpha systems and re-selling them. If you are using > > these > > #systems for evaluation only you should be all set. > > > > #Regards, > > > > #Karen > > --- > > > > -- > > /Khaled, Telia Network Services > > > > :hacker: /n./ [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 11 7:19:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55CAD14F2C; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:19:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id PAA26575; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:54:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01002; Mon, 10 May 1999 23:55:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199905102155.XAA01002@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: de driver problem In-Reply-To: from Doug Rabson at "May 10, 1999 10:28:49 pm" To: dfr@nlsystems.com (Doug Rabson) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:55:31 +0200 (CEST) Cc: khaled@mailbox.telia.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Doug Rabson wrote ... > On Sun, 9 May 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > As Doug Rabson wrote ... > > > On Sun, 9 May 1999, Khaled Daham wrote: > > > > > > > Hello folks > > > > > > > > I cvsupped,made world, built a kernel today and from now on the de > > > > > > Some tulip boards in alpha systems don't autonegociate properly so the SRM > > > has a way of forcing them to a particular mode. A change was made recently > > > > Recently... I think it's been there for a couple of years. > > Maybe you are remembering a NetBSD change? We just started doing the same > thing in FreeBSD recently. Oops I was confusing things with another email about the messages the driver spits out on dma not keeping up. > > > to respect the SRM setting instead of using autoneg. The variable is > > > typically called ewa0_mode. To find the right setting, type > > > > > > >>>set ewa0_mode > > > > > > from the SRM prompt and it will give you a list of settings. Choose one, > > > then type e.g.: > > > > > > >>>set ewa0_mode Twisted-Pair > > > > Keep in mind that older SRMs that understand the older Tulip 10/100Mbit > > chips (21140 IRRC) might not recognise the new ones (is that the 21143?) > > > > Bit me once.. > > Yeah. That must be why my 164lx won't netboot. Could well be. My Aspen Alpine refused to with a DE500. A DE435 (10mbit only) worked just dandy. Groeten / Cheers, | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 11 12:10:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610BE14BEE; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:10:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01458; Tue, 11 May 1999 20:10:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:10:04 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Wilko Bulte Cc: khaled@mailbox.telia.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: de driver problem In-Reply-To: <199905102155.XAA01002@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 10 May 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > Yeah. That must be why my 164lx won't netboot. > > Could well be. My Aspen Alpine refused to with a DE500. A DE435 (10mbit > only) worked just dandy. That reminds me. Does your Alpine still work after the new-bus stuff? I wasn't sure I hadn't broken it when I changed the apecs driver. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 11 16:35:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC68159BD; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:35:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id BAA24181; Wed, 12 May 1999 01:29:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04028; Wed, 12 May 1999 01:01:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199905112301.BAA04028@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: de driver problem In-Reply-To: from Doug Rabson at "May 11, 1999 8:10: 4 pm" To: dfr@nlsystems.com (Doug Rabson) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 01:01:07 +0200 (CEST) Cc: khaled@mailbox.telia.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Doug Rabson wrote ... > On Mon, 10 May 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > > > > Yeah. That must be why my 164lx won't netboot. > > > > Could well be. My Aspen Alpine refused to with a DE500. A DE435 (10mbit > > only) worked just dandy. > > That reminds me. Does your Alpine still work after the new-bus stuff? I > wasn't sure I hadn't broken it when I changed the apecs driver. My Alpine is on a not so current -current, but it is rebuilding world now. Stay tuned, I can probably tell you more tomorrow. Groeten / Cheers, | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed May 12 0:41:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106E9152C4; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:41:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id JAA08878; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:26:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09042; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:33:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199905120733.JAA09042@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: de driver problem In-Reply-To: <199905112301.BAA04028@yedi.iaf.nl> from Wilko Bulte at "May 12, 1999 1: 1: 7 am" To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:33:06 +0200 (CEST) Cc: dfr@nlsystems.com, khaled@mailbox.telia.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Wilko Bulte wrote ... > As Doug Rabson wrote ... > > On Mon, 10 May 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yeah. That must be why my 164lx won't netboot. > > > > > > Could well be. My Aspen Alpine refused to with a DE500. A DE435 (10mbit > > > only) worked just dandy. > > > > That reminds me. Does your Alpine still work after the new-bus stuff? I > > wasn't sure I hadn't broken it when I changed the apecs driver. > > My Alpine is on a not so current -current, but it is rebuilding world now. > Stay tuned, I can probably tell you more tomorrow. Bah.. Extracting pod2man (with variable substitutions) cd ext/B; miniperl -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/lib Makefile.PL LINKTYPE=dynamic INSTALLDIRS=perl PERL_SRC=/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl LIBS="-lperl" INSTALLMAN3DIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/perl/man3 INST_LIB=/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/build/B INST_ARCHLIB=/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/build/B ; make -B config PERL_SRC=/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl Writing Makefile for DynaLoader ==> Your Makefile has been rebuilt. <== ==> Please rerun the make command. <== false false: not found *** Error code 1 This is -current as of last Sunday. I'll resup tonight to see if it got fixed in the meantime Groeten / Cheers, | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed May 12 11:24:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D1914FFC; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:24:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA63962; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:24:12 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04901; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:24:11 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199905121824.UAA04901@greenpeace.grondar.za> To: Wilko Bulte Cc: dfr@nlsystems.com, khaled@mailbox.telia.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: de driver problem In-Reply-To: Your message of " Wed, 12 May 1999 09:33:06 +0200." <199905120733.JAA09042@yedi.iaf.nl> References: <199905120733.JAA09042@yedi.iaf.nl> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:24:10 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte wrote: > PERL_SRC=/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl > Writing Makefile for DynaLoader > ==> Your Makefile has been rebuilt. <== > ==> Please rerun the make command. <== > false > false: not found > *** Error code 1 I periodically see this one reported, and It is always repaired by the reporter making sure their tree is _really_ clean before doing a make world. "Really clean" means "make cleandir" _twice_, and complete removal of the contents of /usr/obj. _Then_ cvsup. I prefer to usr CVS checkout, as it shows all the differences and other turds in my source tree. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed May 12 13:48: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2C7153FF; Wed, 12 May 1999 13:47:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03768; Wed, 12 May 1999 13:44:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rgrimes) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199905122044.NAA03768@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: de driver problem In-Reply-To: <199905121824.UAA04901@greenpeace.grondar.za> from Mark Murray at "May 12, 1999 08:24:10 pm" To: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Cc: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte), dfr@nlsystems.com, khaled@mailbox.telia.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > PERL_SRC=/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl > > Writing Makefile for DynaLoader > > ==> Your Makefile has been rebuilt. <== > > ==> Please rerun the make command. <== > > false > > false: not found > > *** Error code 1 > > I periodically see this one reported, and It is always repaired > by the reporter making sure their tree is _really_ clean before > doing a make world. "Really clean" means "make cleandir" _twice_, This indicates to me, the original author of ``cleandir'', that something has broken the functionality that it had. This something is more than likely the removal of code similiar to: cd /usr/obj/{.CURDIR}; chflags -R noschg tmp; rm -rf *; before the equiv of: cd {.CURDIR}; ${make} clean > and complete removal of the contents of /usr/obj. _Then_ cvsup. > I prefer to usr CVS checkout, as it shows all the differences and > other turds in my source tree. If ``make cleandir'' is leaving some cruft in any form behind anyplace in the build tree things are broken. -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD http://www.aai.dnsmgr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed May 12 14:18:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mailg.telia.com (mailg.telia.com [194.22.194.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419C615157 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:18:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khaled@mailbox.telia.net) Received: from mailbox.telia.net (khaled@mailbox.telia.net [194.237.170.234]) by mailg.telia.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA03947 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 23:18:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (khaled@localhost) by mailbox.telia.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA04338 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 23:18:18 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:18:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Khaled Daham To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: missing files in include/machines Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! I recently bumped into a problem when compiling gnome , it wants tss.h (which itself needs global.h), ive looked at the i386 counterpart , frankly I dont really know what it is for(seems like ponters to registers, but i know diddley about x86 asm, more comfy with 68x00). soundcard.h is also a file that is missing ,the xanim port wants it. So I guess Id like to know if someone is working on this? If I can be of any help dont hesitate to ask! /Khaled, Telia Network Services Mail: khaled@telia.net Cell: 070-6785492 Work: 08-4567281 :hacker: /n./ [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 13 2:28:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A25155A9 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 02:28:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01487; Thu, 13 May 1999 10:25:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:25:30 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Khaled Daham Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: missing files in include/machines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 12 May 1999, Khaled Daham wrote: > Hello! > > I recently bumped into a problem when compiling gnome , > it wants tss.h (which itself needs global.h), ive looked at the i386 > counterpart , frankly I dont really know what it is for(seems like > ponters to registers, but i know diddley about x86 asm, more comfy with > 68x00). soundcard.h is also a file that is missing ,the xanim port wants > it. > > So I guess Id like to know if someone is working on this? > If I can be of any help dont hesitate to ask! What on earth does it want tss.h for? That is totally i386 specific (and shouldn't be used by user programs either). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 13 4:16:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mailc.telia.com (mailc.telia.com [194.22.190.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8571114CC1 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 04:16:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khaled@mailbox.telia.net) Received: from mailbox.telia.net (khaled@mailbox.telia.net [194.237.170.234]) by mailc.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17459; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:16:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (khaled@localhost) by mailbox.telia.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA13373; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:16:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:16:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Khaled Daham To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: missing files in include/machines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok maybe I should have looked abit more closely , gnome needs libgtop wich in turns wants to include tss.h in sysdeps/freebsd/prockernel.c If you comment-out the include statement. It complains on structmembers not being there. Dont really know how prockernel.c initiates the struct ,since from what can see tss.h leaves common_tss as the struct name . And prockernel.c initiates the struct like this " struct pcb pcb ", and that should com from machines/pcb.h , anyway the errors looks like this In file included from prockernel.c:37: /usr/include/machine/pcb.h:49: redefinition of `struct pcb' /usr/include/machine/pcb.h:63: redefinition of `struct md_coredump' prockernel.c: In function `glibtop_get_proc_kernel_p': prockernel.c:157: structure has no member named `pcb_esp' prockernel.c:158: structure has no member named `pcb_eip' the prockernel.c code looks like this #ifdef __FreeBSD__ 156 #if (__FreeBSD_version >= 300003) 157 buf->kstk_esp = (u_int64_t) pcb.pcb_esp; 158 buf->kstk_eip = (u_int64_t) pcb.pcb_eip; 159 #else 160 buf->kstk_esp = (u_int64_t) pcb.pcb_ksp; 161 buf->kstk_eip = (u_int64_t) pcb.pcb_pc; 162 #endif 163 164 #else 165 buf->kstk_esp = (u_int64_t) pcb.pcb_tss.tss_esp0; 166 buf->kstk_eip = (u_int64_t) pcb.pcb_tss.__tss_eip; 167 168 buf->flags |= _glibtop_sysdeps_proc_kernel_pcb; 169 #endif On Thu, 13 May 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Wed, 12 May 1999, Khaled Daham wrote: > > > Hello! > > > > I recently bumped into a problem when compiling gnome , > > it wants tss.h (which itself needs global.h), ive looked at the i386 > > counterpart , frankly I dont really know what it is for(seems like > > ponters to registers, but i know diddley about x86 asm, more comfy with > > 68x00). soundcard.h is also a file that is missing ,the xanim port wants > > it. > > > > So I guess Id like to know if someone is working on this? > > If I can be of any help dont hesitate to ask! > > What on earth does it want tss.h for? That is totally i386 specific (and > shouldn't be used by user programs either). > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > /Khaled, Telia Network Services Mail: khaled@telia.net Cell: 070-6785492 Work: 08-4567281 :hacker: /n./ [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 13 4:21:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mailc.telia.com (mailc.telia.com [194.22.190.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CFB314CC1 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 04:21:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khaled@mailbox.telia.net) Received: from mailbox.telia.net (khaled@mailbox.telia.net [194.237.170.234]) by mailc.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19482; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:21:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (khaled@localhost) by mailbox.telia.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA13875; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:21:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:21:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Khaled Daham To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: missing files in include/machines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ah Ive looked into the i386/pcb.h and I came out abit clearer. the i386 pcb struct has those members that prockernel.c wants. So please forget my rambling about common_tss struct. /Khaled, Telia Network Services Mail: khaled@telia.net Cell: 070-6785492 Work: 08-4567281 :hacker: /n./ [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 13 5:48:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B4514C48; Thu, 13 May 1999 05:48:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id OAA10194; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:08:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12011; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:13:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199905131213.OAA12011@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: de driver problem In-Reply-To: <199905121824.UAA04901@greenpeace.grondar.za> from Mark Murray at "May 12, 1999 8:24:10 pm" To: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:13:32 +0200 (CEST) Cc: dfr@nlsystems.com, khaled@mailbox.telia.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Mark Murray wrote ... > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > PERL_SRC=/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl > > Writing Makefile for DynaLoader > > ==> Your Makefile has been rebuilt. <== > > ==> Please rerun the make command. <== > > false > > false: not found > > *** Error code 1 > > I periodically see this one reported, and It is always repaired > by the reporter making sure their tree is _really_ clean before > doing a make world. "Really clean" means "make cleandir" _twice_, > and complete removal of the contents of /usr/obj. _Then_ cvsup. > I prefer to usr CVS checkout, as it shows all the differences and > other turds in my source tree. Unfortunately: Extracting pod2man (with variable substitutions) cd ext/B; miniperl -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/lib Makefile.PL LINKTYPE=dynamic INSTALLDIRS=perl PERL_SRC=/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl LIBS="-lperl" INSTALLMAN3DIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/perl/man3 INST_LIB=/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/build/B INST_ARCHLIB=/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/build/B ; make -B config PERL_SRC=/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl Writing Makefile for DynaLoader ==> Your Makefile has been rebuilt. <== ==> Please rerun the make command. <== false false: not found *** Error code 1 even after rm -rf /usr/obj | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 13 5:48:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F36514D3E; Thu, 13 May 1999 05:48:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id OAA10195; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:08:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04213; Thu, 13 May 1999 00:02:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199905122202.AAA04213@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: de driver problem In-Reply-To: <199905122044.NAA03768@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at "May 12, 1999 1:44:30 pm" To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:02:25 +0200 (CEST) Cc: mark@grondar.za, dfr@nlsystems.com, khaled@mailbox.telia.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Rodney W. Grimes wrote ... > > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > PERL_SRC=/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl > > > Writing Makefile for DynaLoader > > > ==> Your Makefile has been rebuilt. <== > > > ==> Please rerun the make command. <== > > > false > > > false: not found > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > I periodically see this one reported, and It is always repaired > > by the reporter making sure their tree is _really_ clean before > > doing a make world. "Really clean" means "make cleandir" _twice_, > > This indicates to me, the original author of ``cleandir'', that > something has broken the functionality that it had. This something > is more than likely the removal of code similiar to: > > cd /usr/obj/{.CURDIR}; chflags -R noschg tmp; rm -rf *; > > before the equiv of: > cd {.CURDIR}; ${make} clean > > > and complete removal of the contents of /usr/obj. _Then_ cvsup. > > I prefer to usr CVS checkout, as it shows all the differences and > > other turds in my source tree. > > If ``make cleandir'' is leaving some cruft in any form behind anyplace > in the build tree things are broken. Sounds very reasonable to me. Running the same command twice to get things really clean sounds suspicious ;-) In any case: I'm rebuilding now after a cvsup && chflags -R noschg /usr/obj/* && rm -rf /usr/obj/* We'll see what happens next. | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 13 8:52:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DBD714DB6 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 08:52:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10637 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 08:52:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA41653 for alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 May 1999 08:52:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: AlphaPC 164LX and ECC RAM Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Do any of you know whether the AlphaPC 164LX can accept ECC SDRAM? The motherboard "documentation" is mute on the issue. John --- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 13 10:20:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB554152B9; Thu, 13 May 1999 10:20:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA16364; Thu, 13 May 1999 10:20:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Message-ID: <19990513102009.A16239@nuxi.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:20:09 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Wilko Bulte Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: de driver problem Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199905122044.NAA03768@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> <199905122202.AAA04213@yedi.iaf.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199905122202.AAA04213@yedi.iaf.nl>; from Wilko Bulte on Thu, May 13, 1999 at 12:02:25AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-BETA Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > If ``make cleandir'' is leaving some cruft in any form behind anyplace > > in the build tree things are broken. > > Sounds very reasonable to me. Running the same command twice to get > things really clean sounds suspicious ;-) Let me explain ``make cleandir'' then. *IF* you have a /usr/obj/usr/src/ tree, then ``make cleandir'' will clean that tree out. Thus if somehow you have junk in /usr/src/, it will not get cleaned out. On the second run of ``make cleandir'' it will notice that /usr/obj/ is empty and assume you were building "in-place" and clean out /usr/src/. cd /usr/src ; make cleandir ; make cleandir solves weird build problems much of the time. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 13 12:17:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A93014DCB; Thu, 13 May 1999 12:17:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA66572; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:17:39 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09869; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:17:38 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199905131917.VAA09869@greenpeace.grondar.za> To: Wilko Bulte Cc: dfr@nlsystems.com, khaled@mailbox.telia.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: de driver problem In-Reply-To: Your message of " Thu, 13 May 1999 14:13:32 +0200." <199905131213.OAA12011@yedi.iaf.nl> References: <199905131213.OAA12011@yedi.iaf.nl> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:17:37 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte wrote: > > I periodically see this one reported, and It is always repaired > > by the reporter making sure their tree is _really_ clean before > > doing a make world. "Really clean" means "make cleandir" _twice_, > > and complete removal of the contents of /usr/obj. _Then_ cvsup. > > I prefer to usr CVS checkout, as it shows all the differences and > > other turds in my source tree. > > Unfortunately: OK - script the _whole_ thing, and put it somewhere I can get it. DO NOT MAIL IT TO ME! I want to see all the commands you type, and also the contents of your /etc/make.conf. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 13 14:40:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D56A14FD1 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:40:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 53138 invoked by uid 1001); 13 May 1999 21:40:28 +0000 (GMT) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: How difficult is it to make a netbootable installation? From: sthaug@nethelp.no X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:40:27 +0200 Message-ID: <53136.926631627@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have an Alphastation 200 here with no floppy. Thus I'd like to know how easy it would be to create install media that enables me to do the whole installation using Ethernet. The install would be to a 1 GB SCSI disk. Alternatively, can I use NetBSD (which *can* be installed over Ethernet) to bootstrap FreeBSD? Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 13 15:10:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EA414EC3 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:10:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA02672; Thu, 13 May 1999 23:10:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:10:28 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Khaled Daham Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: missing files in include/machines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 13 May 1999, Khaled Daham wrote: > Ok maybe I should have looked abit more closely , > gnome needs libgtop wich in turns wants to include tss.h in > sysdeps/freebsd/prockernel.c > > If you comment-out the include statement. > It complains on structmembers not being there. > Dont really know how prockernel.c initiates the struct ,since from what > can see tss.h leaves common_tss as the struct name . > And prockernel.c initiates the struct like this " struct pcb pcb ", and > that should com from machines/pcb.h , anyway > the errors looks like this > > In file included from prockernel.c:37: > /usr/include/machine/pcb.h:49: redefinition of `struct pcb' > /usr/include/machine/pcb.h:63: redefinition of `struct md_coredump' > prockernel.c: In function `glibtop_get_proc_kernel_p': > prockernel.c:157: structure has no member named `pcb_esp' > prockernel.c:158: structure has no member named `pcb_eip' It looks like this bit of gnome needs rewriting for alpha. Those registers don't exist here... -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 13 15:31: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C1115074 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:30:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA02741; Thu, 13 May 1999 23:30:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:30:56 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: John Polstra Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AlphaPC 164LX and ECC RAM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 13 May 1999, John Polstra wrote: > Do any of you know whether the AlphaPC 164LX can accept ECC SDRAM? > The motherboard "documentation" is mute on the issue. None of my documentation is any better. I guess you could ask one of the hardware suppliers. The people I got my 164LX from are at www.gnd.com. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 13 15:33:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B130C150D0 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:33:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA02749; Thu, 13 May 1999 23:33:35 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:33:35 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: sthaug@nethelp.no Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How difficult is it to make a netbootable installation? In-Reply-To: <53136.926631627@verdi.nethelp.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 13 May 1999 sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > I have an Alphastation 200 here with no floppy. Thus I'd like to know > how easy it would be to create install media that enables me to do the > whole installation using Ethernet. The install would be to a 1 GB SCSI > disk. > > Alternatively, can I use NetBSD (which *can* be installed over Ethernet) > to bootstrap FreeBSD? > > Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no You should be able to netboot the kernel inside the boot.flp image. You will need to use vnconfig to get it out. We should probably arrange to have useful netbootable kernels available in the release tree (maybe in /kernels). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 13 16:38:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3DFC151B2 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:38:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02185; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:36:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199905132336.QAA02185@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: sthaug@nethelp.no Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How difficult is it to make a netbootable installation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 May 1999 23:40:27 +0200." <53136.926631627@verdi.nethelp.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:36:26 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have an Alphastation 200 here with no floppy. Thus I'd like to know > how easy it would be to create install media that enables me to do the > whole installation using Ethernet. The install would be to a 1 GB SCSI > disk. > > Alternatively, can I use NetBSD (which *can* be installed over Ethernet) > to bootstrap FreeBSD? It's very easy to add a floppy drive to your AS200, and this is probably the least painful way to get FreeBSD installed. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 13 18:55:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A720A14D90; Thu, 13 May 1999 18:55:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10510; Thu, 13 May 1999 18:54:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rgrimes) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199905140154.SAA10510@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: de driver problem In-Reply-To: <19990513102009.A16239@nuxi.com> from "David O'Brien" at "May 13, 1999 10:20:09 am" To: obrien@NUXI.com Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte), freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > If ``make cleandir'' is leaving some cruft in any form behind anyplace > > > in the build tree things are broken. > > > > Sounds very reasonable to me. Running the same command twice to get > > things really clean sounds suspicious ;-) > > Let me explain ``make cleandir'' then. Perhaps you missed the ``as the original author of make cleandir'' in my posting. I wrote it in the days of the 386BSD patchkit. I _know_ what it was meant to do, and it is _NOT_ doing what it is suppose to do!!! > *IF* you have a /usr/obj/usr/src/ tree, then ``make cleandir'' will clean > that tree out. Thus if somehow you have junk in /usr/src/, it will not > get cleaned out. On the second run of ``make cleandir'' it will notice > that /usr/obj/ is empty and assume you were building "in-place" and clean > out /usr/src/. This is what is happening now, it is not what should be happening. The orignal ``make cleandir'' would clean both the object tree and the source tree of all remanants of any files created by any and all make commands. The brokenness occured when the obj symlinks where removed from the src tree and cleandir was rewritten. > > cd /usr/src ; make cleandir ; make cleandir > > solves weird build problems much of the time. BROKEN! Thats all I have to say. -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD http://www.aai.dnsmgr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri May 14 2:41: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DBD814E2A; Fri, 14 May 1999 02:40:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id SAA21792; Fri, 14 May 1999 18:39:52 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <373BDC51.94DAEF2F@newsguy.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:18:25 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , mark@grondar.za, dfr@nlsystems.com, khaled@mailbox.telia.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: de driver problem References: <199905122202.AAA04213@yedi.iaf.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte wrote: > > Sounds very reasonable to me. Running the same command twice to get > things really clean sounds suspicious ;-) > > In any case: I'm rebuilding now after a cvsup && chflags -R noschg > /usr/obj/* && rm -rf /usr/obj/* > > We'll see what happens next. Nothing will happen, I suppose. The idea of running clean twice is that the first one will remove /usr/obj, and the second will remove .o files in the *source* tree. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "Proof of Trotsky's farsightedness is that _none_ of his predictions have come true yet." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri May 14 2:41:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB53215489; Fri, 14 May 1999 02:41:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id SAA21753; Fri, 14 May 1999 18:39:34 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <373BDBED.3AE1742@newsguy.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:16:45 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Mark Murray , Wilko Bulte , dfr@nlsystems.com, khaled@mailbox.telia.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: de driver problem References: <199905122044.NAA03768@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: > > > I periodically see this one reported, and It is always repaired > > by the reporter making sure their tree is _really_ clean before > > doing a make world. "Really clean" means "make cleandir" _twice_, > > This indicates to me, the original author of ``cleandir'', that > something has broken the functionality that it had. This something > is more than likely the removal of code similiar to: > > cd /usr/obj/{.CURDIR}; chflags -R noschg tmp; rm -rf *; > > before the equiv of: > cd {.CURDIR}; ${make} clean > > > and complete removal of the contents of /usr/obj. _Then_ cvsup. > > I prefer to usr CVS checkout, as it shows all the differences and > > other turds in my source tree. > > If ``make cleandir'' is leaving some cruft in any form behind anyplace > in the build tree things are broken. Not really. The problem results from people doing subtree makes (including cleans), which results in .o files in the source tree instead of the object tree. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "Proof of Trotsky's farsightedness is that _none_ of his predictions have come true yet." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri May 14 4: 9: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.bgnett.no (post.bgnett.no [194.54.96.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D1A154B0 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 04:08:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) Received: from freebsd.habatech.no ([62.92.133.2]) by post.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15837; Fri, 14 May 1999 13:06:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) From: erik@habatech.no Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:13:32 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: erik@habatech.no Organization: Habatech AS To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: AlphaPC 164LX and ECC RAM Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 13-May-99 Doug Rabson wrote: > On Thu, 13 May 1999, John Polstra wrote: > >> Do any of you know whether the AlphaPC 164LX can accept ECC SDRAM? >> The motherboard "documentation" is mute on the issue. > > None of my documentation is any better. I guess you could ask one of the > hardware suppliers. The people I got my 164LX from are at www.gnd.com. > I am using a 164SX board, which should have the same memory specifications as the LX variants. (According to my sources) I have used both ECC and non-ECC SDRAM on this board. -- --------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ Erik H. Bakke, Habatech AS | To be or not to be... | E-Mail: erik@habatech.no | Is simply a question of binary logic. | Consultancy, Development, Sales | | --------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 15 7:49:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F8F14FF1; Sat, 15 May 1999 07:49:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id QAA29347; Sat, 15 May 1999 16:05:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA56827; Sat, 15 May 1999 11:26:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199905150926.LAA56827@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: de driver problem In-Reply-To: from Doug Rabson at "May 11, 1999 8:10: 4 pm" To: dfr@nlsystems.com (Doug Rabson) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:26:31 +0200 (CEST) Cc: khaled@mailbox.telia.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Doug Rabson wrote ... > On Mon, 10 May 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > > > > Yeah. That must be why my 164lx won't netboot. > > > > Could well be. My Aspen Alpine refused to with a DE500. A DE435 (10mbit > > only) worked just dandy. > > That reminds me. Does your Alpine still work after the new-bus stuff? I > wasn't sure I hadn't broken it when I changed the apecs driver. After a buildworld of yesterday's -current and a new kernel things work just fine. As an added bonus the serial console seems to work better. It used to be very slow, looks like that is gone. If you want more info you'll have to wait a bit, I'll be offline for a week. Wilko | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 15 7:55:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF10815051; Sat, 15 May 1999 07:55:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA41604; Sat, 15 May 1999 15:55:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 15:55:22 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Wilko Bulte Cc: khaled@mailbox.telia.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: de driver problem In-Reply-To: <199905150926.LAA56827@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 15 May 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > As Doug Rabson wrote ... > > On Mon, 10 May 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yeah. That must be why my 164lx won't netboot. > > > > > > Could well be. My Aspen Alpine refused to with a DE500. A DE435 (10mbit > > > only) worked just dandy. > > > > That reminds me. Does your Alpine still work after the new-bus stuff? I > > wasn't sure I hadn't broken it when I changed the apecs driver. > > After a buildworld of yesterday's -current and a new kernel things > work just fine. As an added bonus the serial console seems to work better. > It used to be very slow, looks like that is gone. > > If you want more info you'll have to wait a bit, I'll be offline for > a week. Thats good. The slow serial sounds like it used to be polling (i.e. sio interrupts weren't getting through). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 15 8:36:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A2C314C2A for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 08:36:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 84716 invoked by uid 1001); 15 May 1999 15:36:45 +0000 (GMT) To: dfr@nlsystems.com Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How difficult is it to make a netbootable installation? From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 13 May 1999 23:33:35 +0100 (BST)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 17:36:45 +0200 Message-ID: <84709.926782605@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I have an Alphastation 200 here with no floppy. Thus I'd like to know > > how easy it would be to create install media that enables me to do the > > whole installation using Ethernet. The install would be to a 1 GB SCSI > > disk. > > You should be able to netboot the kernel inside the boot.flp image. You > will need to use vnconfig to get it out. We should probably arrange to > have useful netbootable kernels available in the release tree (maybe in > /kernels). Thanks, this got me at least part of the way. I got it to load the kernel via tftp. Then it starts with: bootstrap code read in base = 1f2000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 5f1027 initializing HWRPB at 2000 initializing page table at 1e4000 initializing machine state setting the affinity to the primary CPU jumping to bootstrap code halted CPU 0 halt code = 2 kernel stack not valid halt PC = 4 boot failure This is with the kernel from the 4.0-19990413-CURRENT snapshot at ftp.cdrom.com. I gunzipped the kernel (after extracting it from the boot.flp image with vnconfig), and got this file: -rw-r--r-- 1 sthaug wheel 6230055 May 15 17:23 /tftpboot/kernel The size is at least consistent with image_bytes = 5f1027. Any ideas? TIA! Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 15 8:46:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE4A151AB for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 08:46:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA41785; Sat, 15 May 1999 16:46:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 16:46:56 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: sthaug@nethelp.no Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How difficult is it to make a netbootable installation? In-Reply-To: <84709.926782605@verdi.nethelp.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 15 May 1999 sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > > > I have an Alphastation 200 here with no floppy. Thus I'd like to know > > > how easy it would be to create install media that enables me to do the > > > whole installation using Ethernet. The install would be to a 1 GB SCSI > > > disk. > > > > You should be able to netboot the kernel inside the boot.flp image. You > > will need to use vnconfig to get it out. We should probably arrange to > > have useful netbootable kernels available in the release tree (maybe in > > /kernels). > > Thanks, this got me at least part of the way. I got it to load the kernel > via tftp. Then it starts with: > > bootstrap code read in > base = 1f2000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 5f1027 > initializing HWRPB at 2000 > initializing page table at 1e4000 > initializing machine state > setting the affinity to the primary CPU > jumping to bootstrap code > > halted CPU 0 > > halt code = 2 > kernel stack not valid halt > PC = 4 > boot failure > > This is with the kernel from the 4.0-19990413-CURRENT snapshot at > ftp.cdrom.com. I gunzipped the kernel (after extracting it from the > boot.flp image with vnconfig), and got this file: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 sthaug wheel 6230055 May 15 17:23 /tftpboot/kernel > > The size is at least consistent with image_bytes = 5f1027. > > Any ideas? TIA! You need to arrange to load the alpha netboot program from tftp which will then load the kernel via NFS. The file needed for tftp should be in /boot/netboot in the release. I use the following dhcpd configuration to netboot my alpha. You should place the kernel in an NFS exported directory and point the root-path at that directory. option domain-name "nlsystems.com"; option domain-name-servers herring.nlsystems.com; option routers 10.0.0.2; subnet 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range 10.0.0.100 10.0.0.200; group { filename "netboot.alpha"; host miata { hardware ethernet 00:00:f8:75:6d:01; fixed-address miata.nlsystems.com; option root-path "10.0.0.2:/c/export/miata"; } } } -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 15 8:48:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F46E151AB for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 08:48:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA02703; Sat, 15 May 1999 11:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA95318; Sat, 15 May 1999 11:47:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:47:20 -0400 (EDT) To: sthaug@nethelp.no Cc: dfr@nlsystems.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How difficult is it to make a netbootable installation? In-Reply-To: <84709.926782605@verdi.nethelp.no> References: <84709.926782605@verdi.nethelp.no> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14141.38122.393804.533653@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org sthaug@nethelp.no writes: > > > I have an Alphastation 200 here with no floppy. Thus I'd like to know > > > how easy it would be to create install media that enables me to do the > > > whole installation using Ethernet. The install would be to a 1 GB SCSI > > > disk. > > > > You should be able to netboot the kernel inside the boot.flp image. You > > will need to use vnconfig to get it out. We should probably arrange to > > have useful netbootable kernels available in the release tree (maybe in > > /kernels). > > Thanks, this got me at least part of the way. I got it to load the kernel > via tftp. Then it starts with: > > bootstrap code read in > base = 1f2000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 5f1027 > initializing HWRPB at 2000 > initializing page table at 1e4000 > initializing machine state > setting the affinity to the primary CPU > jumping to bootstrap code > > halted CPU 0 > > halt code = 2 > kernel stack not valid halt > PC = 4 > boot failure > > This is with the kernel from the 4.0-19990413-CURRENT snapshot at > ftp.cdrom.com. I gunzipped the kernel (after extracting it from the > boot.flp image with vnconfig), and got this file: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 sthaug wheel 6230055 May 15 17:23 /tftpboot/kernel > > The size is at least consistent with image_bytes = 5f1027. > > Any ideas? TIA! > You actually need to load the netboot bootloader via tftp (its a coff format file, the SRM console doesn't grok elf), then netboot loads the kernel via NFS. Specify an 'rp' (or root path) field in your bootptab entry, this should tell netboot where to get the kernel from. I'm not sure if netboot is easy to find for somebody doing a first-time install, so I've left one for you at ftp://ftp.cs.duke.edu/pub//gallatin/netboot. As an example to clarify things for you, I netboot machines with the following bootptab entries: .freebsdalpha:ht=ethernet:sa=W.X.Y.Z:rp="W.X.Y.Z:/freebsd/diskless.alpha":bf=/freebsd/diskless.alpha/boot/netboot boil:ha=0000f8715a24:ip=152.3.145.95:tc=.freebsdalpha Hope this helps, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 15 8:57:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE73815271 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 08:57:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA41824; Sat, 15 May 1999 16:57:50 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 16:57:50 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How difficult is it to make a netbootable installation? In-Reply-To: <14141.38122.393804.533653@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 15 May 1999, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > You actually need to load the netboot bootloader via tftp (its a coff > format file, the SRM console doesn't grok elf), Its even simpler than that. Its a simple binary which the SRM console just loads into memory at the right place and jumps to the start. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 15 11:38:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 04788153F5 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 11:38:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 86050 invoked by uid 1001); 15 May 1999 18:38:31 +0000 (GMT) To: dfr@nlsystems.com, Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How difficult is it to make a netbootable installation? From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 15 May 1999 16:46:56 +0100 (BST)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 20:38:30 +0200 Message-ID: <86048.926793510@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > You need to arrange to load the alpha netboot program from tftp which will > then load the kernel via NFS. The file needed for tftp should be in > /boot/netboot in the release. I use the following dhcpd configuration to > netboot my alpha. You should place the kernel in an NFS exported > directory and point the root-path at that directory. Excellent, thanks. With the help from you and Andrew Gallatin I'm now up and running 4.0-19990413-CURRENT on a floppy-less Alphastation 200. Installation was actually fairly painless. A suggestion: It would be a good idea to remind people to activate the ttyd0 entry (or possibly do this automatically, if it can be detected that installation is done via a serial console). Now to try a "make buildworld" with slightly more current sources... Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 15 16:24:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A3E814D3D for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 16:24:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (d60-077.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.77]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA38284 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 16:24:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id XAA37379 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 May 1999 23:24:57 GMT (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 16:24:57 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: PCI 64-275 board Message-ID: <19990515162457.A37367@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Will a "Digital Alpha PCI 64-275 Board" work with FreeBSD? The add says: NT BOARD!!! * Industry Standard Baby AT Form Factor * Alpha 21064A @ 275MHz RISC Processor * Windows NT and Digital UNIX O.S. Support * Integrated High Performance PCI Local Bus * Low Cost ISA Bus * Integrated IDE, Floppy, Serial and Parallel Ports * 2MB Cache * 8 - 72 Pin SIMM Sockets (Parity Available 16MB $39 each) * New * Requires 275 watt 3.3 volt power supply available for $125 on listing below * 90 day warranty Digital Alpha PC64 info User Manual: http://www.digital.com/oem/library/archive archive.htm#apcidos It requires a Firmware Update which you can obtain from the following link: http://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/info/semiconductor/alpha/400B4497.zip (please Cc:, I'm not one this list yet) -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 16 1:49:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66D41521A; Sun, 16 May 1999 01:49:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA96416; Sun, 16 May 1999 09:49:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:49:53 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "David O'Brien" Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PCI 64-275 board In-Reply-To: <19990515162457.A37367@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 15 May 1999, David O'Brien wrote: > Will a "Digital Alpha PCI 64-275 Board" work with FreeBSD? It should do. I think we already support it as an EB64+ but if not, adding support will be easy. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 16 12:14:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3255414C22 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 12:14:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27630 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 12:14:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA11944 for alpha@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 May 1999 12:14:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 12:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: proc size mismatch Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is anybody else getting "proc size mismatch" errors from ps in -current (from yesterday) on the alpha? I did a full make world and built and installed a fresh kernel from the same source tree. You know the drill, and we've all done it a million times before. Nevertheless, ps says: ps: proc size mismatch (34800 total, 1192 chunks) I rebuilt & installed libkvm and ps just to make sure, but it didn't help. John --- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 16 12:17:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D40C14C22 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 12:17:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 98535 invoked by uid 1001); 16 May 1999 19:17:20 +0000 (GMT) To: jdp@polstra.com Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: proc size mismatch From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 16 May 1999 12:14:43 -0700 (PDT)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 21:17:20 +0200 Message-ID: <98533.926882240@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Is anybody else getting "proc size mismatch" errors from ps in > -current (from yesterday) on the alpha? I did a full make world > and built and installed a fresh kernel from the same source tree. > You know the drill, and we've all done it a million times before. > Nevertheless, ps says: > > ps: proc size mismatch (34800 total, 1192 chunks) > > I rebuilt & installed libkvm and ps just to make sure, but it didn't > help. Yup. Exactly the same thing happened here, after a full make world. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 16 12:18:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0961314F59 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 12:18:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03034; Sun, 16 May 1999 12:19:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: sthaug@nethelp.no Cc: jdp@polstra.com, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: proc size mismatch In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 16 May 1999 21:17:20 +0200." <98533.926882240@verdi.nethelp.no> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 12:19:18 -0700 Message-ID: <3030.926882358@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I see it too on beast. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 16 12:23:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D4614F59 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 12:23:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA10140; Sun, 16 May 1999 14:23:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 14:23:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: John Polstra Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: proc size mismatch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 16 May 1999, John Polstra wrote: # Is anybody else getting "proc size mismatch" errors from ps in # -current (from yesterday) on the alpha? I did a full make world # and built and installed a fresh kernel from the same source tree. # You know the drill, and we've all done it a million times before. # Nevertheless, ps says: # # ps: proc size mismatch (34800 total, 1192 chunks) # # I rebuilt & installed libkvm and ps just to make sure, but it didn't # help. Yep, I'm seeing it too. Fresh 'make world' and kernel from last night about 23:00 CDT. # John # --- # John Polstra jdp@polstra.com # John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA # "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 16 12:57:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.ham.muohio.edu (dragon.ham.muohio.edu [134.53.147.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8AD1512C; Sun, 16 May 1999 12:57:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from updates-request@wotsit.org) Received: from smtp.yourwebhost.com (smtp.yourwebhost.com [209.239.47.254]) by dragon.ham.muohio.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA28612 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 16:24:03 -0400 Received: from anna.yourwebhost.com (diningasia.com [209.239.47.175]) by smtp.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA08838; Sun, 16 May 1999 15:54:41 -0400 Received: (from wotsit@localhost) by anna.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA27029; Sun, 16 May 1999 15:56:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: anna.yourwebhost.com: wotsit set sender to updates-request@wotsit.org using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990516204002.0096f470@pop3.demon.co.uk> X-Sender: wotsit@pop3.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 20:40:02 +0100 To: updates@wotsit.org From: Paul Oliver Subject: Wotsit's Format Update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1 X-Loop: updates@wotsit.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The programmer's resource at http://www.wotsit.org has been updated again. 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If you have any useful programming information to share, or can suggest improvements to the site, or suggest different categories for files... please get in touch. /-----------------------------------------------------------------\ |The Programmers File Formats Collection| Wotsit's Format | | http://www.wotsit.org |Mail:webmaster@wotsit.org| \-----------------------------------------------------------------/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 16 13:13:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from burka.rdy.com (burka.rdy.com [205.149.163.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E3414BE9 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:13:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@burka.rdy.com) Received: (from dima@localhost) by burka.rdy.com (8.9.3/RDY&DVV) id NAA40548; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905162013.NAA40548@burka.rdy.com> Subject: Re: proc size mismatch In-Reply-To: from John Polstra at "May 16, 1999 12:14:43 pm" To: jdp@polstra.com (John Polstra) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Cc: alpha@freebsd.org X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome Reply-To: dima@best.net From: dima@best.net (Dima Ruban) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Polstra writes: > Is anybody else getting "proc size mismatch" errors from ps in > -current (from yesterday) on the alpha? I did a full make world > and built and installed a fresh kernel from the same source tree. > You know the drill, and we've all done it a million times before. > Nevertheless, ps says: > > ps: proc size mismatch (34800 total, 1192 chunks) Yeah, same here. > I rebuilt & installed libkvm and ps just to make sure, but it didn't > help. > > John > --- > John Polstra jdp@polstra.com > John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA > "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > -- dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 16 13:27:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from helios.dnttm.ru (dnttm-gw.rssi.ru [193.232.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566BC14C24 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:27:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by helios.dnttm.ru (8.9.1/8.9.1/IP-3) with UUCP id AAA12203; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:09:19 +0400 Received: from tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA00986; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:12:30 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Message-Id: <199905162012.AAA00986@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: John Polstra Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: proc size mismatch In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 16 May 1999 12:14:43 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 00:12:30 +0400 From: Dmitrij Tejblum Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Polstra wrote: > Is anybody else getting "proc size mismatch" errors from ps in > -current (from yesterday) on the alpha? I did a full make world > and built and installed a fresh kernel from the same source tree. > You know the drill, and we've all done it a million times before. > Nevertheless, ps says: > > ps: proc size mismatch (34800 total, 1192 chunks) > > I rebuilt & installed libkvm and ps just to make sure, but it didn't > help. Well, I don't have current -current on my alpha right now, but I bet it is because someone made sizeof(dev_t) == 8 in kernel (it is void*), but == 4 in userland. It seems to affect struct kinfo_proc. Dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 16 13:28:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE8015004 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:28:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA27982; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:28:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA12066; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:28:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <98533.926882240@verdi.nethelp.no> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: sthaug@nethelp.no Subject: Re: proc size mismatch Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: >> ps: proc size mismatch (34800 total, 1192 chunks) >> >> I rebuilt & installed libkvm and ps just to make sure, but it didn't >> help. > > Yup. Exactly the same thing happened here, after a full make world. For some reason, the kernel thinks sizeof(struct eproc) is 600, but userland thinks it is 592. I don't know why yet. It doesn't look like an alignment issue. John --- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 16 13:33:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C6715004 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:33:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA28013; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:33:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA12088; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:33:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199905162012.AAA00986@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: Dmitrij Tejblum Subject: Re: proc size mismatch Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: > > Well, I don't have current -current on my alpha right now, but I bet it > is because someone made sizeof(dev_t) == 8 in kernel (it is void*), but > == 4 in userland. It seems to affect struct kinfo_proc. Yep, that's it! In userland if I artificially #define dev_t as void * in the right place, the size of struct eproc rises from 592 to 600. John --- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 16 13:53:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F5014BF4 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:53:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA06821 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:53:11 -0700 Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:53:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: I dunno... is this a bug? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As best as I can tell from 5 minutes of trying, the disklabels for alpha && i386 FreeBSD (for 'dangerously dedicated' disks) are no longer compatible. Is this a bug or a feature? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 16 14:30:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles551.castles.com [208.214.165.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B481414F8D for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 14:30:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08191; Sun, 16 May 1999 14:16:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199905162116.OAA08191@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I dunno... is this a bug? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 16 May 1999 13:53:10 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 14:16:01 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > As best as I can tell from 5 minutes of trying, the disklabels for alpha > && i386 FreeBSD (for 'dangerously dedicated' disks) are no longer > compatible. > > Is this a bug or a feature? The Alpha may never have supported "dangerously dedicated" disks. You may mean "truly dedicated" disks. I don't know that they were ever compatible; the label seems to be at different locations on each platform. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 16 14:42:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C84814DD6 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 14:42:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA06936; Sun, 16 May 1999 14:41:43 -0700 Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 14:41:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Mike Smith Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I dunno... is this a bug? In-Reply-To: <199905162116.OAA08191@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > && i386 FreeBSD (for 'dangerously dedicated' disks) are no longer > > compatible. > > > > Is this a bug or a feature? > > The Alpha may never have supported "dangerously dedicated" disks. You > may mean "truly dedicated" disks. I don't know that they were ever > compatible; the label seems to be at different locations on each > platform. I guess- I really haven't looked at the details. All I know was that at some point last week I was testing the following configuration (where e && d had the disk split exactly in half): Alpha PC 164 Fibre Channel -> da2e da2d <- Fibre Channel 2xPPro i86 This was what I would call and acceptable shared bus... Some time in the last week a change has happened that made both sides now not recognize each other's disklabel. Too bad, if so. I suppose I could try an fdisk type label and see what happens.. I guess my metapoint or metaquestion here is: a Disk Label is a Disk Label. If there is some canonical form on disk that makes a disk usable, modulo stupid endian foo in non 8 bit data in the label, then the labels should be usable across all architectures, and hence provide shared raw volumes at least (. or ? as to whether it's a metapoint/meta-assertion or a metaquestion) (this, btw, is becoming a pretty common configuration with FC loops) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 17 2: 3:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0BB1551E for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 02:03:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA56148; Mon, 17 May 1999 10:04:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:04:11 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Matthew Jacob Cc: Mike Smith , alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I dunno... is this a bug? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 16 May 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > && i386 FreeBSD (for 'dangerously dedicated' disks) are no longer > > > compatible. > > > > > > Is this a bug or a feature? > > > > The Alpha may never have supported "dangerously dedicated" disks. You > > may mean "truly dedicated" disks. I don't know that they were ever > > compatible; the label seems to be at different locations on each > > platform. > > I guess- I really haven't looked at the details. All I know was that at > some point last week I was testing the following configuration (where e && > d had the disk split exactly in half): > > Alpha PC 164 Fibre Channel -> da2e > da2d <- Fibre Channel 2xPPro i86 > > > This was what I would call and acceptable shared bus... Some time in the > last week a change has happened that made both sides now not recognize > each other's disklabel. Too bad, if so. I suppose I could try an fdisk > type label and see what happens.. > > I guess my metapoint or metaquestion here is: a Disk Label is a Disk > Label. If there is some canonical form on disk that makes a disk usable, > modulo stupid endian foo in non 8 bit data in the label, then the labels > should be usable across all architectures, and hence provide shared > raw volumes at least (. or ? as to whether it's a metapoint/meta-assertion > or a metaquestion) > > (this, btw, is becoming a pretty common configuration with FC loops) I'm not sure why this worked before. The problem is that alpha puts the label at offset 64 (dictated by OSF1 and NetBSD) and i386 puts it at offset 512. We could update readdisklabel to look in both places I suppose. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 17 6:49:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF2215540 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 06:49:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA56682; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:49:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:49:21 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: John Polstra Cc: Dmitrij Tejblum , alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: proc size mismatch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 16 May 1999, John Polstra wrote: > Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: > > > > Well, I don't have current -current on my alpha right now, but I bet it > > is because someone made sizeof(dev_t) == 8 in kernel (it is void*), but > > == 4 in userland. It seems to affect struct kinfo_proc. > > Yep, that's it! In userland if I artificially #define dev_t as void * > in the right place, the size of struct eproc rises from 592 to 600. I think I have fixed this by changing the type of e_tdev to udev_t. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 17 8:15:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3CD6153F9 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 08:15:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02595; Mon, 17 May 1999 08:15:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA13744; Mon, 17 May 1999 08:15:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: proc size mismatch Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson wrote: > > I think I have fixed this by changing the type of e_tdev to udev_t. Thanks! John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 17 8:48:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 660C714FDA for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 08:48:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02707 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 08:48:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA13825 for alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 17 May 1999 08:48:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was hammering on an alpha machine with make buildworlds last night, and got this panic. I've annotated the stack trace with the source line numbers from the kernel I'm running (-current from Saturday, May 15): (Transcribed by hand): panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. panic() at panic+0xf4 kern/kern_shutdown.c:449 pmap_emulate_reference() at pmap_emulate_reference+0x1ac alpha/alpha/pmap.c:2956 trap() at trap+0x2e4 alpha/alpha/trap.c:349 XentMM() at XentMM+0x20 alpha/alpha/exception.s:94 Lcs6() at Lcs6+0xc Unfortunately (*whap*) I didn't (*whap*) have crash dumps (*whap*) enabled, so that (*whap*) is all (*whap*) I've got. (*whap*) John --- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 17 8:58:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E77014C20 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 08:58:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA02570; Mon, 17 May 1999 08:54:21 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:54:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Doug Rabson Cc: Mike Smith , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I dunno... is this a bug? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm not sure why this worked before. The problem is that alpha puts the > label at offset 64 (dictated by OSF1 and NetBSD) and i386 puts it at > offset 512. We could update readdisklabel to look in both places I > suppose. I don't know why it did but it sure did! Why isn't readdisklabel a architecture independent function? One of the *huge* wins for Linux is it's ability to cope with multiple disk label formats. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 17 14:19:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3611156F1 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:19:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA57298; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:19:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:19:10 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Matthew Jacob Cc: Mike Smith , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I dunno... is this a bug? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 17 May 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > I'm not sure why this worked before. The problem is that alpha puts the > > label at offset 64 (dictated by OSF1 and NetBSD) and i386 puts it at > > offset 512. We could update readdisklabel to look in both places I > > suppose. > > I don't know why it did but it sure did! > > Why isn't readdisklabel a architecture independent function? One of the > *huge* wins for Linux is it's ability to cope with multiple disk label > formats. Its sort of architecture independant but its guided by LABELSECTOR and LABELOFFSET. I'm sure you could improve it given an hour of hacking... -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 17 14:28:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A495153EB for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:28:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00360; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:28:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd000316; Mon May 17 14:28:34 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA27052; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:28:33 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199905172128.OAA27052@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: I dunno... is this a bug? To: mjacob@feral.com Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:28:33 +0000 (GMT) Cc: dfr@nlsystems.com, mike@smith.net.au, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Matthew Jacob" at May 17, 99 08:54:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I'm not sure why this worked before. The problem is that alpha puts the > > label at offset 64 (dictated by OSF1 and NetBSD) and i386 puts it at > > offset 512. We could update readdisklabel to look in both places I > > suppose. > > I don't know why it did but it sure did! > > Why isn't readdisklabel a architecture independent function? One of the > *huge* wins for Linux is it's ability to cope with multiple disk label > formats. Because Julian's SLICE code is no longer there, and it was the function of that code to perform disk identifications, like the one you suggest? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 17 14:39: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40CFC15219 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:38:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA57489; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:39:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:39:51 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: John Polstra Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 17 May 1999, John Polstra wrote: > I was hammering on an alpha machine with make buildworlds last night, > and got this panic. I've annotated the stack trace with the source > line numbers from the kernel I'm running (-current from Saturday, May > 15): > > (Transcribed by hand): > > panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. I haven't seen that one before. Its going to be very hard to track without getting it into a debugger. By the way, its easy to build a cross-debugger from i386 to alpha. I use 'configure --target=alpha-unknown-linux' with a clean copy of gdb-4.18. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 17 14:43:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651C31570F for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:43:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA04293; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:43:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA14530; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:43:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: Panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson wrote: >> panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. > > I haven't seen that one before. Its going to be very hard to track without > getting it into a debugger. No doubt. It's a new machine and I just don't have it set up right yet for kernel debugging, unfortunately. > By the way, its easy to build a cross-debugger from i386 to alpha. I > use 'configure --target=alpha-unknown-linux' with a clean copy of > gdb-4.18. If I do that and set up a serial console, will remote kgdb work? John --- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 17 16:31:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from 2.hot.cl (node1e2d.a2000.nl [62.108.30.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9CAD154B9 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:31:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from niels@hot.cl) Received: from localhost (niels@localhost) by 2.hot.cl (8.8.8/HOTCL) with ESMTP id BAA09674 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 01:31:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from niels@hot.cl) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 01:31:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Niels Kroon To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: MAKEDEV and acd Message-ID: X-Location: Amsterdam The Netherlands MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On mij PWS433 I have the acd driver working, but I noticed that there is no entry for it in /dev/MAKEDEV (just cvsuped and built CURRENT) Is this done intentionally? Regards, Niels To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 17 18:44: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A889814F84 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:44:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA04963 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:44:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA15200 for alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:44:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Clock drift on the alpha Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My alpha machine, which I suspect may be haunted, has pretty bad clock drift. I started up xntpd, and the log messages will give you a sense of how bad the drift is: May 17 09:46:41 alpha xntpd[375]: xntpd version=3.4e (beta multicast); Sun May 16 11:27:50 PDT 1999 (1) May 17 09:46:41 alpha xntpd[375]: tickadj = 5, tick = 976, tvu_maxslew = 5115 May 17 09:46:41 alpha xntpd[375]: using xntpd phase-lock loop May 17 09:52:00 alpha xntpd[375]: time reset (step) -1.661376 s May 17 09:58:23 alpha xntpd[375]: time reset (step) -0.906801 s May 17 10:04:47 alpha xntpd[375]: time reset (step) -0.906982 s May 17 10:11:10 alpha xntpd[375]: time reset (step) -0.907095 s May 17 10:17:33 alpha xntpd[375]: time reset (step) -0.907238 s May 17 10:23:56 alpha xntpd[375]: time reset (step) -0.906743 s May 17 10:30:19 alpha xntpd[375]: time reset (step) -0.907094 s ... (It doesn't do any better if I use the kernel PLL.) Is this a common problem? My dmesg output is below. Also, is xntpd broken on the alpha? It has been running nonstop on this machine for 8 hours, and it has written a drift file. But the file contains "0.000 0", which is clearly wrong. John Copyright (c) 1992-1999 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #2: Sun May 16 14:01:28 PDT 1999 jdp@alpha.polstra.com:/a/src/sys/compile/ALPHA EB164 Digital AlphaPC 164LX 533 MHz, 531MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. CPU: EV56 (21164A) major=7 minor=2 extensions=0x1 OSF PAL rev: 0x1000100020116 real memory = 132276224 (129176K bytes) avail memory = 124215296 (121304K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xfffffc0000580000. cia0: <2117x Core Logic chipset> cia0: Pyxis, pass 1 cia0: extended capabilities: 111 pcib0: <2117x PCI host bus adapter> on cia0 pci0: on pcib0 de0: irq 0 at device 6.0 on pci0 de0: interrupting at CIA irq 0 de0: SMC 9332BDT 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.0 de0: address 00:e0:29:00:ce:a4 de0: enabling 100baseTX port ncr0: irq 1 at device 7.0 on pci0 ncr0: interrupting at CIA irq 1 isab0: at device 8.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 vga-pci0: irq 3 at device 9.0 on pci0 chip0: irq 5 at device 11.0 on pci0 mcclock0: at ports 0x70-0x71 and 0xffff on isa0 sio0 at ports 0x3f8-0x3ff and 0xffff on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio0: interrupting at ISA irq 4 sio1: reserved for low-level i/o atkbdc0: at ports 0x60 and 0xffff on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 atkbd0: interrupting at ISA irq 1 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 psm0: interrupting at ISA irq 12 vga0: at ports 0xffff and 0xffff on isa0 sc0: at ports 0xffff and 0xffff on isa0 sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> struct nfssvc_sock bloated (> 256bytes) Try reducing NFS_UIDHASHSIZ struct nfsuid bloated (> 128bytes) Try unionizing the nu_nickname and nu_flag fields Timecounter "alpha" frequency 531914893 Hz Waiting 2 seconds for SCSI devices to settle da0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 8715MB (17850000 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1111C) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 17 19:22:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F44B14E96 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 19:22:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from feral.com (mjacob@feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA26726; Mon, 17 May 1999 19:21:39 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:21:39 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Terry Lambert Cc: dfr@nlsystems.com, mike@smith.net.au, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I dunno... is this a bug? In-Reply-To: <199905172128.OAA27052@usr08.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ah! Perhaps that's why it changed... On Mon, 17 May 1999, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > I'm not sure why this worked before. The problem is that alpha puts the > > > label at offset 64 (dictated by OSF1 and NetBSD) and i386 puts it at > > > offset 512. We could update readdisklabel to look in both places I > > > suppose. > > > > I don't know why it did but it sure did! > > > > Why isn't readdisklabel a architecture independent function? One of the > > *huge* wins for Linux is it's ability to cope with multiple disk label > > formats. > > Because Julian's SLICE code is no longer there, and it was the function > of that code to perform disk identifications, like the one you suggest? > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 17 19:43: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gate.keisu.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F20AB153F2 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 19:43:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (qmail 9963 invoked from network); 18 May 1999 02:42:59 -0000 Received: from sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (10.6.1.20) by ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 May 1999 02:42:59 -0000 Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [10.6.1.30]) by sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F68B2DAAA; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:42:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp by ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.9.3/sat-V0.6) id LAA02280; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:42:58 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:42:56 +0900 Message-ID: <14144.54192.153726.48298X@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa To: jdp@polstra.com Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. In-Reply-To: In your message of "Mon, 17 May 1999 08:48:06 -0700 (PDT)" References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/0.10.0 (Got My Mind Set On You) SEMI/1.13.2 (Mikawa) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) MULE XEmacs/21.2 (beta13) (Demeter) (i386-unknown-freebsd3.1) X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7:#j7i14gu$ jgR\S*&C3R/pJX db> trace Debugger() at Debugger+0x2c panic() at panic+0xfc pmap_emulate_reference() at pmap_emulate_reference+0x120 trap() at trap+0x2b0 XentMM() at XentMM+0x20 swapout_procs() at swapout_procs+0x174 (null)() at 0 I can generate crash dump, but it must be more than 500MB. I'll leave it in DDB for while. If you have something to examine, let me know. -- /\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa \/ simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp PGP public key: finger -l simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp At Mon, 17 May 1999 08:48:06 -0700 (PDT), John Polstra wrote: > > I was hammering on an alpha machine with make buildworlds last night, > and got this panic. I've annotated the stack trace with the source > line numbers from the kernel I'm running (-current from Saturday, May > 15): > > (Transcribed by hand): > > panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. > > panic() at panic+0xf4 kern/kern_shutdown.c:449 > pmap_emulate_reference() at pmap_emulate_reference+0x1ac alpha/alpha/pmap.c:2956 > trap() at trap+0x2e4 alpha/alpha/trap.c:349 > XentMM() at XentMM+0x20 alpha/alpha/exception.s:94 > Lcs6() at Lcs6+0xc > > Unfortunately (*whap*) I didn't (*whap*) have crash dumps (*whap*) > enabled, so that (*whap*) is all (*whap*) I've got. > > (*whap*) > > John > --- > John Polstra jdp@polstra.com > John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA > "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 18 1: 5:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4C415421 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 01:05:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA28719; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:06:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:05:59 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: John Polstra Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 17 May 1999, John Polstra wrote: > Doug Rabson wrote: > >> panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. > > > > I haven't seen that one before. Its going to be very hard to track without > > getting it into a debugger. > > No doubt. It's a new machine and I just don't have it set up right > yet for kernel debugging, unfortunately. > > > By the way, its easy to build a cross-debugger from i386 to alpha. I > > use 'configure --target=alpha-unknown-linux' with a clean copy of > > gdb-4.18. > > If I do that and set up a serial console, will remote kgdb work? It should. The default is to have sio0 as console and sio1 as kgdb. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 18 1:13:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from helios.dnttm.ru (dnttm-gw.rssi.ru [193.232.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC17155B8 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 01:13:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by helios.dnttm.ru (8.9.1/8.9.1/IP-3) with UUCP id MAA05575; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:00:52 +0400 Received: from tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01124; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:59:04 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Message-Id: <199905180759.LAA01124@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: John Polstra Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Clock drift on the alpha In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 17 May 1999 18:44:04 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:59:03 +0400 From: Dmitrij Tejblum Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Polstra wrote: > My alpha machine, which I suspect may be haunted, has pretty bad clock > drift. I started up xntpd, and the log messages will give you a sense > of how bad the drift is: > > May 17 09:46:41 alpha xntpd[375]: xntpd version=3.4e (beta multicast); Sun May 16 11:27:50 PDT 1999 (1) > May 17 09:46:41 alpha xntpd[375]: tickadj = 5, tick = 976, tvu_maxslew = 5115 > May 17 09:46:41 alpha xntpd[375]: using xntpd phase-lock loop > May 17 09:52:00 alpha xntpd[375]: time reset (step) -1.661376 s > May 17 09:58:23 alpha xntpd[375]: time reset (step) -0.906801 s > May 17 10:04:47 alpha xntpd[375]: time reset (step) -0.906982 s > May 17 10:11:10 alpha xntpd[375]: time reset (step) -0.907095 s > May 17 10:17:33 alpha xntpd[375]: time reset (step) -0.907238 s > May 17 10:23:56 alpha xntpd[375]: time reset (step) -0.906743 s > May 17 10:30:19 alpha xntpd[375]: time reset (step) -0.907094 s > ... > > (It doesn't do any better if I use the kernel PLL.) > > Is this a common problem? My dmesg output is below. Exactly same here. > > Also, is xntpd broken on the alpha? It has been running nonstop on > this machine for 8 hours, and it has written a drift file. But the > file contains "0.000 0", which is clearly wrong. I think, xntpd just cannot deal with the huge drift. > EB164 > Digital AlphaPC 164LX 533 MHz, 531MHz > 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. > CPU: EV56 (21164A) major=7 minor=2 extensions=0x1 My alpha is pretty much the same, except it is 164SX rather than LX (and the CPU is 21164PC). Note that if the clock frequency was set to 533MHz, not to 531, the drift appatrently would be much better. It may be a quirk in the alpha hardware or firmware. Dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 18 1:29:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DD7150F7 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 01:29:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA68414; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:30:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:30:14 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa Cc: jdp@polstra.com, alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. In-Reply-To: <14144.54192.153726.48298X@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 18 May 1999, Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > I get same panic now (current of yesterday). > > panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. > panic > Stopped at Debugger+0x2c: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffe000ce0bbe0> > > db> trace > Debugger() at Debugger+0x2c > panic() at panic+0xfc > pmap_emulate_reference() at pmap_emulate_reference+0x120 > trap() at trap+0x2b0 > XentMM() at XentMM+0x20 > swapout_procs() at swapout_procs+0x174 > (null)() at 0 > > I can generate crash dump, but it must be more than 500MB. > I'll leave it in DDB for while. If you have something to examine, > let me know. It would be useful to find out the values of pa, *pte and faultoff. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 18 1:31:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6660B14FDD for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 01:31:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA68972; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:32:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:32:28 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Dmitrij Tejblum Cc: John Polstra , alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Clock drift on the alpha In-Reply-To: <199905180759.LAA01124@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 18 May 1999, Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: > > Is this a common problem? My dmesg output is below. > > Exactly same here. > > > > > Also, is xntpd broken on the alpha? It has been running nonstop on > > this machine for 8 hours, and it has written a drift file. But the > > file contains "0.000 0", which is clearly wrong. > > I think, xntpd just cannot deal with the huge drift. > > > EB164 > > Digital AlphaPC 164LX 533 MHz, 531MHz > > 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. > > CPU: EV56 (21164A) major=7 minor=2 extensions=0x1 > > My alpha is pretty much the same, except it is 164SX rather than LX > (and the CPU is 21164PC). Note that if the clock frequency was set > to 533MHz, not to 531, the drift appatrently would be much better. > It may be a quirk in the alpha hardware or firmware. It seems like I'm being a bit optimistic in believing the firmware value for the clock frequency. Perhaps it would be better to actually time the frequency of the PCC in a similar way to the i386. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 18 2: 7:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D35415259 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 02:07:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02970; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:08:16 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:08:15 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: John Polstra Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Clock drift on the alpha In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 17 May 1999, John Polstra wrote: > My alpha machine, which I suspect may be haunted, has pretty bad clock > drift. I started up xntpd, and the log messages will give you a sense > of how bad the drift is: Could you try this patch and see if it keeps better time: Index: alpha/alpha/clock.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/alpha/alpha/clock.c,v retrieving revision 1.8 diff -u -r1.8 clock.c --- clock.c 1999/04/25 10:45:59 1.8 +++ clock.c 1999/05/18 09:01:54 @@ -114,6 +114,7 @@ static u_int32_t last_time; static void handleclock(void* arg); +static u_int32_t calibrate_clocks(u_int32_t firmware_freq); void clockattach(device_t dev) @@ -150,6 +151,8 @@ void cpu_initclocks() { + u_int32_t freq; + if (clockdev == NULL) panic("cpu_initclocks: no clock attached"); @@ -175,11 +178,12 @@ * hardclock, which would then fall over because p->p_stats * isn't set at that time. */ + freq = calibrate_clocks(cycles_per_sec); last_time = alpha_rpcc(); - scaled_ticks_per_cycle = ((u_int64_t)hz << FIX_SHIFT) / cycles_per_sec; - max_cycles_per_tick = 2*cycles_per_sec / hz; + scaled_ticks_per_cycle = ((u_int64_t)hz << FIX_SHIFT) / freq; + max_cycles_per_tick = 2*freq / hz; - alpha_timecounter.tc_frequency = cycles_per_sec; + alpha_timecounter.tc_frequency = freq; init_timecounter(&alpha_timecounter); platform.clockintr = (void (*) __P((void *))) handleclock; @@ -188,6 +192,60 @@ * Get the clock started. */ CLOCK_INIT(clockdev); +} + +static u_int32_t +calibrate_clocks(u_int32_t firmware_freq) +{ + u_int32_t start_pcc, stop_pcc; + int sec, start_sec; + + if (bootverbose) + printf("Calibrating clock(s) ... "); + + /* Read the mc146818A seconds counter. */ + if (CLOCK_GETSECS(clockdev, &sec)) + goto fail; + + /* Wait for the mC146818A seconds counter to change. */ + start_sec = sec; + for (;;) { + if (CLOCK_GETSECS(clockdev, &sec)) + goto fail; + if (sec != start_sec) + break; + } + + /* Start keeping track of the PCC. */ + start_pcc = alpha_rpcc(); + + /* + * Wait for the mc146818A seconds counter to change. + */ + start_sec = sec; + for (;;) { + if (CLOCK_GETSECS(clockdev, &sec)) + goto fail; + if (sec != start_sec) + break; + } + + /* + * Read the PCC again to work out frequency. + */ + stop_pcc = alpha_rpcc(); + + if (bootverbose) { + printf("PCC clock: %u Hz (firmware %u Hz)\n", + stop_pcc - start_pcc, firmware_freq); + } + return (stop_pcc - start_pcc); + +fail: + if (bootverbose) + printf("failed, using firmware default of %u Hz\n", + firmware_freq); + return (firmware_freq); } static void Index: alpha/alpha/clock_if.m =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/alpha/alpha/clock_if.m,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 clock_if.m --- clock_if.m 1998/11/08 18:35:51 1.2 +++ clock_if.m 1999/05/18 09:01:18 @@ -44,3 +44,8 @@ device_t dev; struct clocktime *ct; }; + +METHOD int getsecs { + device_t dev; + int *secp; +}; Index: alpha/isa/mcclock_isa.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/alpha/isa/mcclock_isa.c,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.4 mcclock_isa.c --- mcclock_isa.c 1999/05/08 21:58:38 1.4 +++ mcclock_isa.c 1999/05/18 08:48:15 @@ -61,6 +61,7 @@ DEVMETHOD(clock_init, mcclock_init), DEVMETHOD(clock_get, mcclock_get), DEVMETHOD(clock_set, mcclock_set), + DEVMETHOD(clock_getsecs, mcclock_getsecs), { 0, 0 } }; Index: alpha/tlsb/mcclock_tlsb.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/alpha/tlsb/mcclock_tlsb.c,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.4 mcclock_tlsb.c --- mcclock_tlsb.c 1999/05/08 21:58:53 1.4 +++ mcclock_tlsb.c 1999/05/18 08:48:52 @@ -74,6 +74,7 @@ DEVMETHOD(clock_init, mcclock_init), DEVMETHOD(clock_get, mcclock_get), DEVMETHOD(clock_set, mcclock_set), + DEVMETHOD(clock_getsecs, mcclock_getsecs), { 0, 0 } }; Index: dev/dec/mcclock.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/dev/dec/mcclock.c,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 mcclock.c --- mcclock.c 1998/06/14 13:45:41 1.2 +++ mcclock.c 1999/05/18 09:02:08 @@ -111,3 +111,29 @@ MC146818_PUTTOD(dev, ®s); splx(s); } + +int +mcclock_getsecs(device_t dev, int *secp) +{ + int timeout = 100000000; + int sec; + int s; + + s = splclock(); + for (;;) { + if (!(MCCLOCK_READ(dev, MC_REGA) & MC_REGA_UIP)) { + sec = MCCLOCK_READ(dev, MC_SEC); + break; + } + if (--timeout == 0) + goto fail; + } + + splx(s); + *secp = sec; + return 0; + + fail: + splx(s); + return ETIMEDOUT; +} Index: dev/dec/mcclockvar.h =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/dev/dec/mcclockvar.h,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 mcclockvar.h --- mcclockvar.h 1998/06/14 13:45:42 1.2 +++ mcclockvar.h 1999/05/18 08:48:32 @@ -33,3 +33,4 @@ void mcclock_init(device_t); void mcclock_get(device_t, time_t, struct clocktime *); void mcclock_set(device_t, struct clocktime *); +int mcclock_getsecs(device_t dev, int *secp); -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 18 2:11:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gate.keisu.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 429E4155AB for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 02:11:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (qmail 12326 invoked from network); 18 May 1999 09:11:22 -0000 Received: from sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (10.6.1.20) by ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 May 1999 09:11:22 -0000 Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [10.6.1.30]) by sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64312DAAA; Tue, 18 May 1999 18:11:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp by ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.9.3/sat-V0.6) id SAA09204; Tue, 18 May 1999 18:11:20 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:11:19 +0900 Message-ID: <14145.11959.719375.15587A@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa To: dfr@nlsystems.com Cc: jdp@polstra.com, alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. In-Reply-To: In your message of "Tue, 18 May 1999 09:30:14 +0100 (BST)" References: <14144.54192.153726.48298X@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> User-Agent: Wanderlust/0.10.0 (Got My Mind Set On You) SEMI/1.13.2 (Mikawa) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) MULE XEmacs/21.2 (beta13) (Demeter) (i386-unknown-freebsd3.1) X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7:#j7i14gu$ jgR\S*&C3R/pJX wrote: > > On Tue, 18 May 1999, Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > > > I get same panic now (current of yesterday). > > > > panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. > > panic > > Stopped at Debugger+0x2c: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffe000ce0bbe0> > > > > db> trace > > Debugger() at Debugger+0x2c > > panic() at panic+0xfc > > pmap_emulate_reference() at pmap_emulate_reference+0x120 > > trap() at trap+0x2b0 > > XentMM() at XentMM+0x20 > > swapout_procs() at swapout_procs+0x174 > > (null)() at 0 > > > > I can generate crash dump, but it must be more than 500MB. > > I'll leave it in DDB for while. If you have something to examine, > > let me know. > > It would be useful to find out the values of pa, *pte and faultoff. > Unfortunately I cannot use gdb now. db> gdb No gdb port enabled. Set flag 0x80 on desired port in your configuration file (currently sio only). Last time, I was able to use gdb with the flag 0x50. I found the following code in /sys/isa/sio.c #ifdef __i386__ #if DDB > 0 gdbdev = makedev(CDEV_MAJOR, unit); gdb_getc = siocngetc; gdb_putc = siocnputc; #endif #endif Can I use gdb on alpha with flag 0x80? I give up to use gdb via serial and get the crash dump. But stock gdb seems not to understand crash dump yet. root@achat:/export/home/crash# gdb kernel.debug.13 vmcore.13 GNU gdb 4.18 Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "alpha-unknown-freebsd"... "/export/home/crash/vmcore.13" is not a core dump: File format not recognized (gdb) -- /\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa \/ simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp PGP public key: finger -l simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 18 3:11:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from helios.dnttm.ru (dnttm-gw.rssi.ru [193.232.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29F814CFF for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 03:11:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by helios.dnttm.ru (8.9.1/8.9.1/IP-3) with UUCP id OAA07592; Tue, 18 May 1999 14:03:13 +0400 Received: from tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA02466; Tue, 18 May 1999 14:07:02 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Message-Id: <199905181007.OAA02466@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 18 May 1999 18:11:19 +0900." <14145.11959.719375.15587A@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Dmitrij Tejblum Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:07:02 +0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > root@achat:/export/home/crash# gdb kernel.debug.13 vmcore.13 Try 'gdb -k'? Dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 18 3:28:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gate.keisu.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4EA7C1545F for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 03:28:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (qmail 12670 invoked from network); 18 May 1999 10:28:34 -0000 Received: from sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (10.6.1.20) by ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 May 1999 10:28:34 -0000 Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [10.6.1.30]) by sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31152DAAA; Tue, 18 May 1999 19:28:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp by ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.9.3/sat-V0.6) id TAA09547; Tue, 18 May 1999 19:28:32 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:28:31 +0900 Message-ID: <14145.16591.137760.96626G@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa To: dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. In-Reply-To: In your message of "Tue, 18 May 1999 14:07:02 +0400" <199905181007.OAA02466@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> References: <14145.11959.719375.15587A@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <199905181007.OAA02466@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> User-Agent: Wanderlust/0.10.0 (Got My Mind Set On You) SEMI/1.13.2 (Mikawa) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) MULE XEmacs/21.2 (beta13) (Demeter) (i386-unknown-freebsd3.1) X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7:#j7i14gu$ jgR\S*&C3R/pJX wrote: > > Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > > root@achat:/export/home/crash# gdb kernel.debug.13 vmcore.13 > > Try 'gdb -k'? > > Dima root@achat:/export/home/crash# /usr/bin/gdb -k kernel.debug.13 vmcore.13 /usr/libexec/elf/gdb: unrecognized option `-k' Use `/usr/libexec/elf/gdb --help' for a complete list of options. I did make world yesterday. -- /\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa \/ simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp PGP public key: finger -l simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 18 6:42:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6994715432 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:42:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA20116; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA40751; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:41:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:41:34 -0400 (EDT) To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa Cc: dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. In-Reply-To: <14145.16591.137760.96626G@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> References: <14145.11959.719375.15587A@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <199905181007.OAA02466@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> <14145.16591.137760.96626G@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14145.28047.475287.627514@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hidetoshi Shimokawa writes: > At Tue, 18 May 1999 14:07:02 +0400, > Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: > > > > Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > > > root@achat:/export/home/crash# gdb kernel.debug.13 vmcore.13 > > > > Try 'gdb -k'? > > > > Dima > > root@achat:/export/home/crash# /usr/bin/gdb -k kernel.debug.13 vmcore.13 > /usr/libexec/elf/gdb: unrecognized option `-k' > Use `/usr/libexec/elf/gdb --help' for a complete list of options. > > I did make world yesterday. My old, hacked-up gdb should still work. http://www.freebsd.org/~gallatin/gdb.gz Just remember that it uses NetBSD 'target kcore' syntax: # gdb /var/crash/kernel.0 <....> (gdb) target kcore /var/crash/vmcore.0 Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 18 8:13:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904F914ED8 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:12:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA08180; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:12:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA16246; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:12:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: Clock drift on the alpha Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson wrote: > Could you try this patch and see if it keeps better time: Thanks! I'll let you know what happens. John --- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 18 8:25:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gate.keisu.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B6CD1508B for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:25:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (qmail 13536 invoked from network); 18 May 1999 15:25:02 -0000 Received: from sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (10.6.1.20) by ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 May 1999 15:25:02 -0000 Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [10.6.1.30]) by sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C968E2DAAA; Wed, 19 May 1999 00:25:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp by ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.9.3/sat-V0.6) id AAA10445; Wed, 19 May 1999 00:25:00 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 00:24:59 +0900 Message-ID: <14145.34379.525082.1775P@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa To: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Cc: dfr@nlsystems.com, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. In-Reply-To: In your message of "Tue, 18 May 1999 09:41:34 -0400 (EDT)" <14145.28047.475287.627514@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> References: <14145.11959.719375.15587A@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <199905181007.OAA02466@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> <14145.16591.137760.96626G@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <14145.28047.475287.627514@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> User-Agent: Wanderlust/0.10.0 (Got My Mind Set On You) SEMI/1.13.2 (Mikawa) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) MULE XEmacs/21.2 (beta13) (Demeter) (i386-unknown-freebsd3.1) X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7:#j7i14gu$ jgR\S*&C3R/pJX wrote: > My old, hacked-up gdb should still work. > http://www.freebsd.org/~gallatin/gdb.gz > > Just remember that it uses NetBSD 'target kcore' syntax: > > # gdb /var/crash/kernel.0 > <....> > (gdb) target kcore /var/crash/vmcore.0 Thanks, I had tried your gdb but didn't know the syntax. This GDB was configured as "alpha-unknown-netbsd"... (gdb) target kcore vmcore.13 panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. #0 0xfffffc000036a4fc in boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:286 286 savectx(&dumppcb); (gdb) where #0 0xfffffc000036a4fc in boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:286 #1 0xfffffc000036ab2c in panic ( fmt=0xfffffc00004f9950 "warning: pmap_changebit didn't.") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:451 #2 0xfffffc00004906c0 in pmap_emulate_reference (p=0x0, v=0, user=0, write=0) at ../../alpha/alpha/pmap.c:2963 #3 0xfffffc0000491ef0 in trap (a0=18446741874922881968, a1=2, a2=0, entry=2, framep=0xfffffe000ce0bd40) at ../../alpha/alpha/trap.c:351 #4 0xfffffc0000485f8c in XentMM () at ../../alpha/alpha/exception.s:94 #5 0xfffffc000046a1dc in swapout (p=0xfffffe000cdf9340) at ../../vm/vm_glue.c:510 #6 0xfffffc000046a154 in swapout_procs (action=1) at ../../vm/vm_glue.c:487 #7 0xfffffc0000479774 in vm_daemon () at ../../vm/vm_pageout.c:1416 #8 0xfffffc00003569fc in kproc_start (udata=0x0) at ../../kern/init_main.c:294 (gdb) frame 2 #2 0xfffffc00004906c0 in pmap_emulate_reference (p=0x0, v=0, user=0, write=0) at ../../alpha/alpha/pmap.c:2963 2963 panic("warning: pmap_changebit didn't."); (gdb) print pa $1 = 350412800 (gdb) print *pte $2 = 183717226090783 (gdb) print faultoff $3 = 10 (gdb) print /x pa $4 = 0x14e2e000 (gdb) print /x *pte $5 = 0xa7170000111f (gdb) print /x faultoff $6 = 0xa (gdb) -- /\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa \/ simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp PGP public key: finger -l simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 18 8:45: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C29814CFF for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:44:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA08290; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:44:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA16318; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:44:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: Clock drift on the alpha Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trying Doug's clock calibration patch. Though the system hasn't been up very long yet, it's already doing _much_ better. xntpd is actually able to sync up now, instead of giving up in despair every 7 minutes like it did before. I'll report again later in the day after it's had time to settle in. The calibration found a much different clock frequency than had been found before: before: Timecounter "alpha" frequency 531914893 Hz after: Timecounter "alpha" frequency 533180986 Hz I'd say the "before" number was just plain wrong. I noticed that on beast, there's no disagreement between the nominal CPU speed and the nominal clock frequency: Digital AlphaPC 164 500 MHz, 500MHz Maybe on the 533 MHz version they transcribed bit 2**20 incorrectly ... :-) John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 18 9:22:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6F115712 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:22:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com) Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by narnia.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.7.3) id KAA06358; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:12:18 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:12:18 -0600 (MDT) From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Message-Id: <199905181612.KAA06358@narnia.plutotech.com> To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. X-Newsgroups: pluto.freebsd.alpha In-Reply-To: <14144.54192.153726.48298X@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <14145.11959.719375.15587A@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980818 ("Laura") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.0-CURRENT (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <14145.11959.719375.15587A@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> you wrote: >> It would be useful to find out the values of pa, *pte and faultoff. >> > > Unfortunately I cannot use gdb now. > > db> gdb > No gdb port enabled. Set flag 0x80 on desired port > in your configuration file (currently sio only). I had to hack sio to make this work again and use flags 0xc0 on the sio port. It seems you need to reserve the port for 'low level console' duty if you expect the port to work correctly once interrupts are enabled. ==== //depot/FreeBSD-current/src/sys/isa/sio.c#16 - /usr/src/sys/isa/sio.c ==== *** /tmp/tmp.1623.0 Tue May 18 10:20:10 1999 --- /usr/src/sys/isa/sio.c Tue May 11 17:19:46 1999 *************** *** 2822,2828 **** siocniobase = iobase; siocnunit = unit; } ! if (COM_DEBUGGER(flags) && !COM_LLCONSOLE(flags)) { printf("sio%d: gdb debugging port\n", unit); siogdbiobase = iobase; siogdbunit = unit; --- 2822,2828 ---- siocniobase = iobase; siocnunit = unit; } ! if (COM_DEBUGGER(flags) /*&& !COM_LLCONSOLE(flags)*/) { printf("sio%d: gdb debugging port\n", unit); siogdbiobase = iobase; siogdbunit = unit; To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 18 12:18:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03BCE15334 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:18:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10199; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:19:23 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:19:23 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa Cc: jdp@polstra.com, alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. In-Reply-To: <14145.11959.719375.15587A@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 18 May 1999, Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > At Tue, 18 May 1999 09:30:14 +0100 (BST), > Doug Rabson wrote: > > > > On Tue, 18 May 1999, Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > > > > > I get same panic now (current of yesterday). > > > > > > panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. > > > panic > > > Stopped at Debugger+0x2c: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffe000ce0bbe0> > > > > > > db> trace > > > Debugger() at Debugger+0x2c > > > panic() at panic+0xfc > > > pmap_emulate_reference() at pmap_emulate_reference+0x120 > > > trap() at trap+0x2b0 > > > XentMM() at XentMM+0x20 > > > swapout_procs() at swapout_procs+0x174 > > > (null)() at 0 > > > > > > I can generate crash dump, but it must be more than 500MB. > > > I'll leave it in DDB for while. If you have something to examine, > > > let me know. > > > > It would be useful to find out the values of pa, *pte and faultoff. > > > > Unfortunately I cannot use gdb now. > > db> gdb > No gdb port enabled. Set flag 0x80 on desired port > in your configuration file (currently sio only). > > Last time, I was able to use gdb with the flag 0x50. > I found the following code in /sys/isa/sio.c Currently, gdb is hardwired to sio1 on the alpha. I don't think it needs any other flags but 0x80 might help. > > I give up to use gdb via serial and get the crash dump. > But stock gdb seems not to understand crash dump yet. I haven't had time to sort that out yet. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 18 12:38:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27AA01528A for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:38:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA09251; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:38:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA31589; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:38:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 12:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: Clock drift on the alpha Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've had xntpd running for 3 hours with Doug's kernel patch, and it's working very well now. I switched on the kernel PLL and that didn't cause any problems: May 18 09:30:19 alpha xntpd[359]: xntpd version=3.4e (beta multicast); Sun May 16 11:27:50 PDT 1999 (1) May 18 09:30:19 alpha xntpd[359]: tickadj = 5, tick = 976, tvu_maxslew = 5115 May 18 09:30:19 alpha xntpd[359]: precision = 7 usec May 18 09:30:19 alpha xntpd[359]: using kernel phase-lock loop 4041 May 18 10:30:19 alpha xntpd[359]: offset 0.000031 freq 10.905 poll 6 May 18 11:30:19 alpha xntpd[359]: offset 0.000102 freq 10.409 poll 6 May 18 12:30:19 alpha xntpd[359]: offset -0.000079 freq 10.324 poll 9 Ship it! John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 18 12:43:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31435152B9 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:43:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10330; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:44:20 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:44:20 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: John Polstra Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Clock drift on the alpha In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 18 May 1999, John Polstra wrote: > I've had xntpd running for 3 hours with Doug's kernel patch, and > it's working very well now. I switched on the kernel PLL and that > didn't cause any problems: > > May 18 09:30:19 alpha xntpd[359]: xntpd version=3.4e (beta multicast); Sun May 16 11:27:50 PDT 1999 (1) > May 18 09:30:19 alpha xntpd[359]: tickadj = 5, tick = 976, tvu_maxslew = 5115 > May 18 09:30:19 alpha xntpd[359]: precision = 7 usec > May 18 09:30:19 alpha xntpd[359]: using kernel phase-lock loop 4041 > May 18 10:30:19 alpha xntpd[359]: offset 0.000031 freq 10.905 poll 6 > May 18 11:30:19 alpha xntpd[359]: offset 0.000102 freq 10.409 poll 6 > May 18 12:30:19 alpha xntpd[359]: offset -0.000079 freq 10.324 poll 9 > > Ship it! Good. Thanks for testing it. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 18 13:18: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC1514ED9 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 13:18:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA10372; Tue, 18 May 1999 21:19:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:19:00 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa Cc: gallatin@cs.duke.edu, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. In-Reply-To: <14145.34379.525082.1775P@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 19 May 1999, Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > (gdb) print pa > $1 = 350412800 > (gdb) print *pte > $2 = 183717226090783 > (gdb) print faultoff > $3 = 10 > (gdb) print /x pa > $4 = 0x14e2e000 > (gdb) print /x *pte > $5 = 0xa7170000111f > (gdb) print /x faultoff > $6 = 0xa > (gdb) This is very odd. The page isn't marked as PG_MANAGED somehow but that doesn't make sense. The page is in user space but doesn't have any user read/write permissions. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed May 19 5:30:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B800515520 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 05:30:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id VAA06711; Wed, 19 May 1999 21:30:13 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3742AE27.C719F7E2@newsguy.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:27:20 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: 128 bits Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there any 128 integer type in FreeBSD/alpha egcs? -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed May 19 12:36:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E0F157D0 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 12:35:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA63816; Wed, 19 May 1999 20:35:38 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:35:38 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 128 bits In-Reply-To: <3742AE27.C719F7E2@newsguy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 19 May 1999, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Is there any 128 integer type in FreeBSD/alpha egcs? I don't think so. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri May 21 8:36:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2CB159E4 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:36:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA24191; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:36:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA43716; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:36:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905211536.IAA43716@vashon.polstra.com> To: dfr@nlsystems.com Subject: Re: Panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. In-Reply-To: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Unfortunately I cannot use gdb now. > > > > db> gdb > > No gdb port enabled. Set flag 0x80 on desired port > > in your configuration file (currently sio only). > > > > Last time, I was able to use gdb with the flag 0x50. > > I found the following code in /sys/isa/sio.c > > Currently, gdb is hardwired to sio1 on the alpha. I don't think it needs > any other flags but 0x80 might help. This thread has thoroughly confused me. From reading it I gather that all combinations of flags both work and don't work on any, all, or none of the serial ports, and patches to the kernel both are and are not required. :-( Does anybody out there have a working configuration for remote gdb plus a serial console on the alpha? I don't care whether they're on the same serial port or not. Show actual lines from the config file, please, and any necessary patches too. And what is the point of the new flag 0x80 when the existing 0x40 flag is explicitly documented as being for remote gdb? SIO(4): Meaning of flags: 0x00001 shared IRQs 0x00002 disable FIFO 0x00004 no AST/4 compatible IRQ control register 0x00008 recover sooner from lost output interrupts 0x00010 device is potential system console 0x00020 device is forced to become system console 0x00040 device is reserved for low-level IO (e. g. for remote kernel debugging) Thanks, John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri May 21 8:44:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E49159F0 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:44:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA24254; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:44:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA43739; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:44:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905211544.IAA43739@vashon.polstra.com> To: dfr@nlsystems.com Subject: Re: Debugging In-Reply-To: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article , Doug Rabson wrote: > On Tue, 18 May 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > In fact, there's also a 0x80, which you need to set (along with 0x10, > > it appears) to run remote debugging. I'm guessing a bit at this, > > since I haven't had time to look at the code, but 0x90 works for me. > > Doug? > > I used to use 0x50 but now 0x80 works fine. I'm not sure why the debug > flag changed from 0x40 to 0x80 but the new systems seems to allow both > serial console and serial debugging at the same time so I'm not > complaining. There must be something I'm missing here. On i386 systems I have always used one serial port for both console and remote gdb, since the dawn of time. Why the sudden need for a new flag? John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri May 21 12: 4:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB4F15319 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:04:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA77598; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:05:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 20:05:43 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: John Polstra Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. In-Reply-To: <199905211536.IAA43716@vashon.polstra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 21 May 1999, John Polstra wrote: > > > Unfortunately I cannot use gdb now. > > > > > > db> gdb > > > No gdb port enabled. Set flag 0x80 on desired port > > > in your configuration file (currently sio only). > > > > > > Last time, I was able to use gdb with the flag 0x50. > > > I found the following code in /sys/isa/sio.c > > > > Currently, gdb is hardwired to sio1 on the alpha. I don't think it needs > > any other flags but 0x80 might help. > > This thread has thoroughly confused me. From reading it I gather that > all combinations of flags both work and don't work on any, all, or > none of the serial ports, and patches to the kernel both are and are > not required. :-( > > Does anybody out there have a working configuration for remote gdb > plus a serial console on the alpha? I don't care whether they're on > the same serial port or not. Show actual lines from the config file, > please, and any necessary patches too. > > And what is the point of the new flag 0x80 when the existing 0x40 > flag is explicitly documented as being for remote gdb? I use this kernel config for a machine which uses sio0 as console and sio1 for gdb. Currently the choice of sio1 is hardwired (not ideal but not too important): # # GENERIC -- Generic machine with WD/AHx/NCR/BTx family disks # # For more information read the handbook part System Administration -> # Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel -> The Configuration File. # The handbook is available in /usr/share/doc/handbook or online as # latest version from the FreeBSD World Wide Web server # # # An exhaustive list of options and more detailed explanations of the # device lines is present in the ./LINT configuration file. If you are # in doubt as to the purpose or necessity of a line, check first in LINT. # # $Id$ machine "alpha" cpu "EV5" ident GENERIC maxusers 10 options "DEC_KN8AE" options "DEC_EB164" # EB164, PC164, PC164LX, PC164SX options "DEC_2100_A50" # AlphaStation 200, 250, 255, 400 options "DEC_KN20AA" # AlphaStation 500, 600 options "DEC_ST550" # Personal Workstation 433, 500, 600 options "DEC_AXPPCI_33" # UDB, Multia, AXPpci33, Noname options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options SOFTUPDATES #even faster ffs options NFS #Network Filesystem options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 Filesystem options "CD9660_ROOT" #CD-ROM usable as root device options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options NFS_ROOT #NFS usable as root device options BOOTP options BOOTP_NFSROOT options PROCFS #Process filesystem options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options FAILSAFE #Be conservative options SCSI_DELAY=2000 options SCSI_NCR_DEBUG=0 options DIAGNOSTIC config kernel root on da1 controller pci0 controller tlsb0 controller gbus0 controller kft0 controller dwlpx0 controller cia0 controller apecs0 controller lca0 controller isa0 device mcclock0 at isa0 port 0x70 controller atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 device vga0 at isa? port ? conflicts # splash screen/screen saver pseudo-device splash # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? device sio0 at isa0 port "IO_COM1" irq 4 device sio1 at isa0 port "IO_COM2" irq 3 flags 0x50 controller ncr0 controller isp0 controller scbus0 device da0 device sa0 device pass0 device cd0 controller ata0 device atadisk0 # ATA disk drives device atapicd0 # ATAPI CDROM drives #device atapist0 # ATAPI tape drives device de0 device xl0 # Order is important here due to intrusive probes, do *not* alphabetize # this list of network interfaces until the probes have been fixed. # Right now it appears that the ie0 must be probed before ep0. See # revision 1.20 of this file. #device de0 pseudo-device loop pseudo-device ether pseudo-device sl 1 pseudo-device ppp 1 pseudo-device tun 1 pseudo-device pty 16 pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's pseudo-device vn pseudo-device bpfilter 4 # KTRACE enables the system-call tracing facility ktrace(2). # This adds 4 KB bloat to your kernel, and slightly increases # the costs of each syscall. options KTRACE #kernel tracing # This provides support for System V shared memory. # options SYSVSHM options DDB options BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER options INVARIANTS options INVARIANT_SUPPORT -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri May 21 12:37:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00D414C42 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:37:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01391; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905211935.MAA01391@implode.root.com> To: John Polstra Cc: dfr@nlsystems.com, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Debugging In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 21 May 1999 08:44:18 PDT." <199905211544.IAA43739@vashon.polstra.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:35:31 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >In article , >Doug Rabson wrote: >> On Tue, 18 May 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: >> >> > In fact, there's also a 0x80, which you need to set (along with 0x10, >> > it appears) to run remote debugging. I'm guessing a bit at this, >> > since I haven't had time to look at the code, but 0x90 works for me. >> > Doug? >> >> I used to use 0x50 but now 0x80 works fine. I'm not sure why the debug >> flag changed from 0x40 to 0x80 but the new systems seems to allow both >> serial console and serial debugging at the same time so I'm not >> complaining. > >There must be something I'm missing here. On i386 systems I have >always used one serial port for both console and remote gdb, since the >dawn of time. Why the sudden need for a new flag? So that you can do both on _different_ ports. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri May 21 14:35:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eta.ghs.com (eta.ghs.com [208.8.104.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F53015AAD for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 14:35:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ross@ghs.com) Received: [from elbe.ghs.com (elbe.ghs.com [192.67.158.245]) by eta.ghs.com (eta-antispam 0.2) with ESMTP id OAA26076; Fri, 21 May 1999 14:34:58 -0700 (PDT)] Received: (from ross@localhost) by elbe.ghs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23289; Fri, 21 May 1999 14:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:34:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Ross Harvey Message-Id: <199905212134.OAA23289@elbe.ghs.com> To: jpedras@mail.telepac.pt Subject: Re: installing on alpha Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin writes: > ::: > ...quite some time. There are lots of people running NetBSD on TC > alphas. If you're willing to spend the time to get a diskless setup > working & you're most comfortable with FreeBSD, then use FreeBSD. If > you want a system which "just works", use NetBSD. They have better > hardware support for turbo channel alphas. > ::: > > Joao Pedras writes: > > tkx for the quick reply Andrew > > > > what about openbsd ? can you tell me something about the error with device scc0? > > > > it occurs when booting from the installation cd-rom of openbsd... > > > > I can't detail the error at this moment but I can say something about it > > tomorrow... > > > > thanks > > > > Joao > > > > Never used OpenBSD. If you're not prepared to run diskless, I'd > suggest NetBSD for now.. Since you don't have a floppy, you need to install via netboot or CD. As your machine has "old SRM", which usually does not netboot well, the CD is probably the way to go. Linux (sorry for saying it out loud :-) doesn't run on that either, so your choices are narrowed down to NetBSD and exactly (1) write the NetBSD 1.4 `cdhdtape' image to a CD, boot that, and ftp or nfs down the installation sets, - OR - (2) buy the bootable NetBSD/alpha 1.4 CD from Bob Nestor's non-profit CD-burning operation. I think they cost $5. (The NetBSD web pages have pointers to all this stuff.) BTW, you said it had a tape drive, I presume it's a DAT? Ross.Harvey@Computer.Org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 22 3:48: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mta3.mail.telepac.pt (mail7.telepac.pt [194.65.3.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC30F14E7F for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 03:47:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpedras@mail.telepac.pt) Received: from manecao.tafkap.priv ([194.65.203.13]) by mta3.mail.telepac.pt (InterMail v03.02.07 118-124-101) with ESMTP id <19990522104803.MLE14084@manecao.tafkap.priv>; Sat, 22 May 1999 11:48:03 +0100 Content-Length: 2318 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199905212134.OAA23289@elbe.ghs.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 11:47:12 +0100 (BST) From: Joao Pedras To: Ross Harvey Subject: Re: installing on alpha (DEC 3000-300LX) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, port-alpha@netbsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Ross, And thanks for your reply. We have done just that. The machine is running NetBSD-1.4 at almost a week now, without any problem. We used cdhdtape, following instructions from a README in the directory you find cdhd.. in netbsd's ftp. We dd' it in the DEC OSF/1 that was installed. That idea was really good, especially for these old systems. And yes, the tape is a DAT. It also has a CD, but we didn't use, because it sometimes "doesn't like" burned cd's : ( We did a ftp installation and all ran swell. Just a shame the GENERIC kernel doesn't bring the NEW_SCC_DRIVER. We had to plugin a serial terminal (glad we had those available), to the installation process. When a specific kernel was compiled to that machine, we included the NEWSCC option and the machine is currently using it's console (graphics card + keyb + mouse). No X thought. Any news about this ? About netbooting SRM, seems that those older firmware versions are indeed more adequate for that kind of install, than new ones. Seems that newer versions are crippled. The SRM was updated anyway to a version from Oct 97, I believe. We did that before we knew about that. Regards, Joao On 21-May-99 Ross Harvey wrote: > > Since you don't have a floppy, you need to install via netboot or CD. As > your machine has "old SRM", which usually does not netboot well, the CD is > probably the way to go. Linux (sorry for saying it out loud :-) doesn't > run on that either, so your choices are narrowed down to NetBSD and exactly > > (1) write the NetBSD 1.4 `cdhdtape' image to a CD, boot that, and > ftp or nfs down the installation sets, > - OR - > (2) buy the bootable NetBSD/alpha 1.4 CD from Bob Nestor's non-profit > CD-burning operation. I think they cost $5. > > (The NetBSD web pages have pointers to all this stuff.) > > BTW, you said it had a tape drive, I presume it's a DAT? > > Ross.Harvey@Computer.Org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sent on 22-May-99 at 11:34:42 Powered by FreeBSD -> http://www.freebsd.org <- "The Power to Serve" PGP key available upon request or may be cut at http://members.tripod.com/fbsd/pgpkey.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You too can wear a nose mitten. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 22 12:40:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C852514CC9; Sat, 22 May 1999 12:40:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id VAA22395; Sat, 22 May 1999 21:16:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17416; Sat, 22 May 1999 21:03:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199905221903.VAA17416@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: de driver problem In-Reply-To: from Doug Rabson at "May 15, 1999 3:55:22 pm" To: dfr@nlsystems.com (Doug Rabson) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:03:43 +0200 (CEST) Cc: khaled@mailbox.telia.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Doug Rabson wrote ... > On Sat, 15 May 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > As Doug Rabson wrote ... > > > On Mon, 10 May 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah. That must be why my 164lx won't netboot. > > > > > > > > Could well be. My Aspen Alpine refused to with a DE500. A DE435 (10mbit > > > > only) worked just dandy. > > > > > > That reminds me. Does your Alpine still work after the new-bus stuff? I > > > wasn't sure I hadn't broken it when I changed the apecs driver. > > > > After a buildworld of yesterday's -current and a new kernel things > > work just fine. As an added bonus the serial console seems to work better. > > It used to be very slow, looks like that is gone. > > > > If you want more info you'll have to wait a bit, I'll be offline for > > a week. > > Thats good. The slow serial sounds like it used to be polling (i.e. sio > interrupts weren't getting through). I've been away to Oslo this week, but I plan to bang a bit more on the console to see if it keeps working ok. | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 22 16:45:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B2E14EAB for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 16:44:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA14253 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 18:44:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 18:44:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: anyone using f77 on an Alpha? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm problems getting a simple fortran program to run. It compiles and run on an Intel box. It compiles and bails on an Alpha box. Anyone seeing the same thing as below? s2[/tmp]$ cat foo.f PROGRAM FOO READ (*,'(I4)') N WRITE (*,'(A4,I4)') 'N = ', N END s2[/tmp]$ f77 -g foo.f s2[/tmp]$ ./a.out Segmentation fault (core dumped) s2[/tmp]$ gdb ./a.out a.out.core GNU gdb 4.18 Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "alpha-unknown-freebsd"... Core was generated by `a.out'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libg2c.so.1...done. Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libm.so.2...done. Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libc.so.3...done. Reading symbols from /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1...done. #0 0x16005fbe0 in f_s (s=0x0, curloc=0) at /a/src/gnu/lib/libg2c/../../../contrib/egcs/libf2c/libI77/fmt.c:95 95 skip(s); (gdb) where #0 0x16005fbe0 in f_s (s=0x0, curloc=0) at /a/src/gnu/lib/libg2c/../../../contrib/egcs/libf2c/libI77/fmt.c:95 #1 0x1600605d8 in pars_f (s=0x0) at /a/src/gnu/lib/libg2c/../../../contrib/egcs/libf2c/libI77/fmt.c:370 #2 0x16005b6bc in s_rsfe (a=0x120010a08) at /a/src/gnu/lib/libg2c/../../../contrib/egcs/libf2c/libI77/rsfe.c:65 #3 0x120000904 in MAIN__ () at foo.f:2 #4 0x16005201c in main (argc=0, argv=0x0) at /a/src/gnu/lib/libg2c/../../../contrib/egcs/libf2c/libF77/main.c:61 (gdb) quit s2[/tmp]$ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 23 2:54: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410C414F8F for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 02:53:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA43731; Sun, 23 May 1999 10:54:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 10:54:03 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Steve Price Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: anyone using f77 on an Alpha? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 22 May 1999, Steve Price wrote: > I'm problems getting a simple fortran program to run. It > compiles and run on an Intel box. It compiles and bails > on an Alpha box. Anyone seeing the same thing as below? There is some confusion about the width of various fortran types. The compiler is generating 32bit but the library is expecting 64bit (32bit is correct in this case I think). This patch seems to fix it (the test program runs anyway): Index: g2c.h =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/gnu/lib/libg2c/g2c.h,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 g2c.h --- g2c.h 1999/04/18 09:48:40 1.1 +++ g2c.h 1999/05/23 09:47:24 @@ -18,7 +18,7 @@ /* F2C_INTEGER will normally be `int' but would be `long' on 16-bit systems */ /* we assume short, float are OK */ -typedef long int /* long int */ integer; +typedef int /* long int */ integer; typedef unsigned long int /* long */ uinteger; typedef char *address; typedef short int shortint; @@ -26,7 +26,7 @@ typedef double doublereal; typedef struct { real r, i; } complex; typedef struct { doublereal r, i; } doublecomplex; -typedef long int /* long int */ logical; +typedef int /* long int */ logical; typedef short int shortlogical; typedef char logical1; typedef char integer1; @@ -52,9 +52,9 @@ typedef short ftnlen; typedef short ftnint; #else -typedef long int /* long int */ flag; -typedef long int /* long int */ ftnlen; -typedef long int /* long int */ ftnint; +typedef int /* long int */ flag; +typedef int /* long int */ ftnlen; +typedef int /* long int */ ftnint; #endif /*external read, write*/ -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 23 6:38: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7593151E6 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 06:38:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA12290; Sun, 23 May 1999 08:38:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 08:38:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: anyone using f77 on an Alpha? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 23 May 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: # There is some confusion about the width of various fortran types. The # compiler is generating 32bit but the library is expecting 64bit (32bit is # correct in this case I think). This patch seems to fix it (the test # program runs anyway): Yes this did the trick. Thanks Doug! It works for my little test program and ports/graphics/pgplot (which is where I first noticed the problem) on both the i386 and alpha port. Commit away. :) # Index: g2c.h # =================================================================== # RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/gnu/lib/libg2c/g2c.h,v # retrieving revision 1.1 # diff -u -r1.1 g2c.h # --- g2c.h 1999/04/18 09:48:40 1.1 # +++ g2c.h 1999/05/23 09:47:24 # @@ -18,7 +18,7 @@ # # /* F2C_INTEGER will normally be `int' but would be `long' on 16-bit systems */ # /* we assume short, float are OK */ # -typedef long int /* long int */ integer; # +typedef int /* long int */ integer; # typedef unsigned long int /* long */ uinteger; # typedef char *address; # typedef short int shortint; # @@ -26,7 +26,7 @@ # typedef double doublereal; # typedef struct { real r, i; } complex; # typedef struct { doublereal r, i; } doublecomplex; # -typedef long int /* long int */ logical; # +typedef int /* long int */ logical; # typedef short int shortlogical; # typedef char logical1; # typedef char integer1; # @@ -52,9 +52,9 @@ # typedef short ftnlen; # typedef short ftnint; # #else # -typedef long int /* long int */ flag; # -typedef long int /* long int */ ftnlen; # -typedef long int /* long int */ ftnint; # +typedef int /* long int */ flag; # +typedef int /* long int */ ftnlen; # +typedef int /* long int */ ftnint; # #endif # # /*external read, write*/ # # -- # Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com # Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 # # # To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 23 6:43:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A97151E6 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 06:43:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA44386; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:43:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:43:45 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Steve Price Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: anyone using f77 on an Alpha? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 23 May 1999, Steve Price wrote: > On Sun, 23 May 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > > # There is some confusion about the width of various fortran types. The > # compiler is generating 32bit but the library is expecting 64bit (32bit is > # correct in this case I think). This patch seems to fix it (the test > # program runs anyway): > > Yes this did the trick. Thanks Doug! It works for my little test > program and ports/graphics/pgplot (which is where I first noticed > the problem) on both the i386 and alpha port. Commit away. :) Done. Thanks for testing it. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 23 9:41:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5802915097; Sun, 23 May 1999 09:40:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id RAA27717; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:49:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA77747; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:47:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199905231547.RAA77747@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: converting Multia riser card into a generic NCR810 To: port-alpha@netbsd.org, FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers list), freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD-alpha mailing list) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 17:47:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org People interested in converting a riser card of a DEC Multia into a generic NCR810 card please refer to: http://www.tcja.nl/~wilko/ncr_hack.html | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 23 12:55:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from bubba.NMSU.Edu (bubba.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA08714E44 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 12:55:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ian@nmsu.edu) Received: from dns1.NMSU.Edu (dns1.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.5]) by bubba.NMSU.Edu (8.9.2/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA18851 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 13:55:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wilma.NMSU.Edu (wilma.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.12]) by dns1.NMSU.Edu (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA13853 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 13:55:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from ian@localhost) by wilma.NMSU.Edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA25924 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Sun, 23 May 1999 13:55:34 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:55:34 -0600 (MDT) From: ian@nmsu.edu Message-Id: <199905231955.NAA25924@wilma.NMSU.Edu> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Install problem with 3.2 on a 164SX? Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm trying to install 3.2 on a 164SX with IDE. Everything goes great until I get sysinstall running. Then it tells me it can't find any disk devices. I'm sure the drive itself is working since I had NetBSD installed on it in the past. From some messages I found in the archives it sounded like this should work. Is this configuration supported? Am I doing something wrong? Should I try a newer snapshot instead? Any help/info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 23 13:24:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A0F14D4F for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 13:24:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA45051; Sun, 23 May 1999 21:24:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 21:24:44 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: ian@nmsu.edu Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Install problem with 3.2 on a 164SX? In-Reply-To: <199905231955.NAA25924@wilma.NMSU.Edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 23 May 1999 ian@nmsu.edu wrote: > Hi, > I'm trying to install 3.2 on a 164SX with IDE. Everything goes > great until I get sysinstall running. Then it tells me it can't find > any disk devices. I'm sure the drive itself is working since I had NetBSD > installed on it in the past. From some messages I found in the archives it sounded > like this should work. Is this configuration supported? Am I doing something > wrong? Should I try a newer snapshot instead? Any help/info would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Ian Unfortunately IDE is only supported under 4.0 (and I don't think it works for installations yet). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 23 13:30:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from bubba.NMSU.Edu (bubba.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BE714D4F for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 13:30:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ian@nmsu.edu) Received: from dns1.NMSU.Edu (dns1.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.5]) by bubba.NMSU.Edu (8.9.2/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA20399; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:29:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wilma.NMSU.Edu (wilma.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.12]) by dns1.NMSU.Edu (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA16221; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:29:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from ian@localhost) by wilma.NMSU.Edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) id OAA25990; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:29:54 -0600 (MDT) From: ian@nmsu.edu Message-Id: <199905232029.OAA25990@wilma.NMSU.Edu> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: Install problem with 3.2 on a 164SX? Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Unfortunately IDE is only supported under 4.0 (and I don't think it works > for installations yet). > Oh well. I'll have to look into getting a SCSI card for the box then. Thanks for the info, and the great work! Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 23 15:40:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F9D14F54 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 15:40:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id XAA07553 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Sun, 23 May 1999 23:49:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA82365 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Sun, 23 May 1999 23:27:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199905232127.XAA82365@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: using AT bus on Alpha? To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-alpha mailing list) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:27:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What is the status of using AT slots (as opposed to PCI) on FreeBSD/alpha? | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 24 2:20:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E7414E07 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 02:15:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA96791; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:15:16 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:15:16 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Wilko Bulte Cc: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: using AT bus on Alpha? In-Reply-To: <199905232127.XAA82365@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 23 May 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > What is the status of using AT slots (as opposed to PCI) on FreeBSD/alpha? I think it just works as long as you have a driver. I just put a dirt cheap isapnp soundcard into one of my alphas and I can see it with pnpinfo. To avoid foot shooting, its a good idea to tell the firmware where the card's resources are using isacfg so that it can avoid using them for something else. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 24 2:40:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from earth.merrion.nua.net (earth.merrion.nua.net [195.7.46.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1EB41517F for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 02:40:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@nua.ie) Received: from nua.ie (localhost.merrion.nua.net [127.0.0.1]) by earth.merrion.nua.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA34944 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:40:19 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from tony@nua.ie) Message-ID: <37491E81.114CC0ED@nua.ie> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:40:17 +0100 From: Tony Byrne Organization: Nua X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Configuring devices at boot time. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I've been trying rather desperately to install FreeBSD current on my Miata. The machine has a dead onboard network controller so I've popped in a 3COM 3c905B which is detected nicely by the kernel during boot. Unfortunately, the boot process hangs soon after the kernel spots the onboard Digital NIC. Is there any easy way of disabling devices at boot time in a way similar to the "boot -c" option under i386? I haven't been able to find reference to such a facility. Thanks, Regards, Tony. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 24 12: 9:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BB414D3E for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 12:09:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA97691; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:09:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:09:28 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Tony Byrne Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Configuring devices at boot time. In-Reply-To: <37491E81.114CC0ED@nua.ie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 24 May 1999, Tony Byrne wrote: > Hi, > > I've been trying rather desperately to install FreeBSD current on my > Miata. The machine has a dead onboard network controller so I've popped > in a 3COM 3c905B which is detected nicely by the kernel during boot. > > Unfortunately, the boot process hangs soon after the kernel spots the > onboard Digital NIC. Is there any easy way of disabling devices at boot > time in a way similar to the "boot -c" option under i386? I haven't > been able to find reference to such a facility. Unfortunately not. Your best bet is to build a kernel without the de driver in it and put that on the first install floppy. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 24 16:46:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from noop.colo.erols.net (noop.colo.erols.net [207.96.1.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FDF14C0B for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:46:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@noop.colo.erols.net) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=noop.colo.erols.net) by noop.colo.erols.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10m4QH-000DpE-00 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:46:21 -0400 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Snapshot server Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:46:20 -0400 Message-ID: <53147.927589580@noop.colo.erols.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Since mirrors.rcn.com seems to have gone the way of the dinosars, I've set up another machine to take over. ftp://ftp.in-addr.com/pub/FreeBSD/alpha/ Both -stable and -current snapshots will me made available there daily (as ``make release'' allows). Yours, Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 24 17: 7:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from cs.rice.edu (cs.rice.edu [128.42.1.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217D314DE2 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:07:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aron@cs.rice.edu) Received: (from aron@localhost) by cs.rice.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) id TAA19365 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:07:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Mohit Aron Message-Id: <199905250007.TAA19365@cs.rice.edu> Subject: programmable interrupt timer To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:07:40 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, the x86 machine use the 8253 programmable timer that can be programmed to interrupt at various frequencies. Does the alpha have a similar feature ? If so, can someone please tell me how to use it using from FreeBSD - I'm using verion 4.0-current on a 500MHz 21164 alpha. - Mohit To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 24 17:19:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from misi.lioninc.com (misi.lioninc.com [209.67.107.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E932A1535F for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:19:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eugene@lioninc.com) Received: from lioninc.com (blower.lioninc.com [209.67.107.193]) by misi.lioninc.com (8.8.5/SCO5) with ESMTP id RAA08707 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3749ECA0.3CF0ABD3@lioninc.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:19:44 -0700 From: Eugene Aleynikov X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Installation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! I'm very disappointed that i cant install FreeBSD on my Alpha Station 200 I can succesfully install openbsd and linux but freebsd disklabel says: da0: rejecting BSD label: raw partition offset != slice offset da0: start 0, end 4178873, size 4178873 da0c: start 2046000, end 2045999, size 0 I cant mount fixit floppy because i dont have 2.8Mb floppy drive. (i was booting boot and mfsroot floppies). I dont have emergency shell ot vty4. Fdisk shows valid freebsd partition. Disklabel shows nothing even if i define slices with openbsd installer. I tried almost anything with disklabel - doesnt help. SCSI - NCR 810. Disc - UNISYS U1545 (2Gb). Problem exists in 3.1 and in 3.2 RELEASE. What can i do for you to help to fix that problem? I have strong C experience, and i'm using FreeBSD since 1.0.5-RELEASE. Thanx, /eugene To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 24 22:38:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles502.castles.com [208.214.165.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8F61565A for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:38:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00343; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:36:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199905250536.WAA00343@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Eugene Aleynikov Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 24 May 1999 17:19:44 PDT." <3749ECA0.3CF0ABD3@lioninc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:36:33 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi! > > I'm very disappointed that i cant install FreeBSD on my Alpha Station > 200 > I can succesfully install openbsd and linux but freebsd disklabel says: > da0: rejecting BSD label: raw partition offset != slice offset > da0: start 0, end 4178873, size 4178873 > da0c: start 2046000, end 2045999, size 0 Use sysinstall to install FreeBSD, ie. use the standard FreeBSD installation procedure. It sounds like you're trying to do it the hard way, and discovering why it's called "the hard way". -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 24 22:56:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 368DE14CBA for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:56:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 47945 invoked by uid 1001); 25 May 1999 05:56:28 +0000 (GMT) To: eugene@lioninc.com Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 24 May 1999 17:19:44 -0700" References: <3749ECA0.3CF0ABD3@lioninc.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 07:56:28 +0200 Message-ID: <47943.927611788@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm very disappointed that i cant install FreeBSD on my Alpha Station > 200 > I can succesfully install openbsd and linux but freebsd disklabel says: > da0: rejecting BSD label: raw partition offset != slice offset > da0: start 0, end 4178873, size 4178873 > da0c: start 2046000, end 2045999, size 0 > > I cant mount fixit floppy because i dont have 2.8Mb floppy drive. > (i was booting boot and mfsroot floppies). > > I dont have emergency shell ot vty4. I don't know if this will help you - but I was able to install completely from the network on a floppy-less Alphastation 200 here. Needed to get the kernel out of the boot floppy image via vnconfig, and then use the netboot image (from boot/netboot) with bootp and tftp to get started. I installed 4.0-19990413-CURRENT version from one of the FTP servers. It helped a lot to use tcpdump (on another host) to see what the Alpha was requesting. However, emergency shell didn't work for me either. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 25 1:29:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B5614FAD for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 01:29:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA40808; Tue, 25 May 1999 09:30:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:30:04 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Mohit Aron Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: programmable interrupt timer In-Reply-To: <199905250007.TAA19365@cs.rice.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 24 May 1999, Mohit Aron wrote: > Hi, > the x86 machine use the 8253 programmable timer that can be programmed > to interrupt at various frequencies. Does the alpha have a similar feature ? > If so, can someone please tell me how to use it using from FreeBSD - I'm using > verion 4.0-current on a 500MHz 21164 alpha. The hardware is available on the alpha but I don't think its possible to use it from userland. What apis do you use on the x86 to access this timer? -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 25 1:31:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3537414FF0 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 01:31:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA41257; Tue, 25 May 1999 09:31:52 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:31:52 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Eugene Aleynikov Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation In-Reply-To: <3749ECA0.3CF0ABD3@lioninc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 24 May 1999, Eugene Aleynikov wrote: > Hi! > > I'm very disappointed that i cant install FreeBSD on my Alpha Station > 200 > I can succesfully install openbsd and linux but freebsd disklabel says: > da0: rejecting BSD label: raw partition offset != slice offset > da0: start 0, end 4178873, size 4178873 > da0c: start 2046000, end 2045999, size 0 > > I cant mount fixit floppy because i dont have 2.8Mb floppy drive. > (i was booting boot and mfsroot floppies). > > I dont have emergency shell ot vty4. > > Fdisk shows valid freebsd partition. > Disklabel shows nothing even if i define slices with openbsd installer. > > I tried almost anything with disklabel - doesnt help. > > > SCSI - NCR 810. > Disc - UNISYS U1545 (2Gb). > > Problem exists in 3.1 and in 3.2 RELEASE. > > > What can i do for you to help to fix that problem? > I have strong C experience, and i'm using FreeBSD since 1.0.5-RELEASE. Exactly which version of FreeBSD are you trying to install? Does the sysinstall program run and if so, can you try deleting the partitions and re-creating them in the label editor of sysinstall. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 25 2:52:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4668D14BE1; Tue, 25 May 1999 02:52:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id KAA23813; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:01:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09060; Tue, 25 May 1999 09:59:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199905250759.JAA09060@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: de driver problem In-Reply-To: <199905221903.VAA17416@yedi.iaf.nl> from Wilko Bulte at "May 22, 1999 9: 3:43 pm" To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:59:38 +0200 (CEST) Cc: dfr@nlsystems.com, khaled@mailbox.telia.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Wilko Bulte wrote ... > As Doug Rabson wrote ... > > On Sat, 15 May 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > > As Doug Rabson wrote ... > > > > On Mon, 10 May 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > After a buildworld of yesterday's -current and a new kernel things > > > work just fine. As an added bonus the serial console seems to work better. > > > It used to be very slow, looks like that is gone. > > > > > > If you want more info you'll have to wait a bit, I'll be offline for > > > a week. > > > > Thats good. The slow serial sounds like it used to be polling (i.e. sio > > interrupts weren't getting through). > > I've been away to Oslo this week, but I plan to bang a bit more on the > console to see if it keeps working ok. Banged on it and it works great now on the Alpine. Wilko | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 25 10:14:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from misi.lioninc.com (misi.lioninc.com [209.67.107.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828B1151A3; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:14:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eugene@lioninc.com) Received: from lioninc.com (blower.lioninc.com [209.67.107.193]) by misi.lioninc.com (8.8.5/SCO5) with ESMTP id KAA19628; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <374ADA55.EA56CDF7@lioninc.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:13:57 -0700 From: Eugene Aleynikov X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org, alpha-freebsd@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation References: <199905250536.WAA00343@dingo.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > I'm very disappointed that i cant install FreeBSD on my Alpha Station > > 200 > > I can succesfully install openbsd and linux but freebsd disklabel says: > > da0: rejecting BSD label: raw partition offset != slice offset > > da0: start 0, end 4178873, size 4178873 > > da0c: start 2046000, end 2045999, size 0 > > Use sysinstall to install FreeBSD, ie. use the standard FreeBSD > installation procedure. It sounds like you're trying to do it the hard > way, and discovering why it's called "the hard way". If course i tried all ways. Novice PnP intelli-wizard installation or custom or expert - the result is the same. And i'm talking about sysinstall and disklabel which compiled into sysinstall. > > -- > \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith > \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 25 10:17:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from misi.lioninc.com (misi.lioninc.com [209.67.107.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 889B714FBF for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:17:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eugene@lioninc.com) Received: from lioninc.com (blower.lioninc.com [209.67.107.193]) by misi.lioninc.com (8.8.5/SCO5) with ESMTP id KAA20026; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <374ADB28.5FF57DF0@lioninc.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:17:28 -0700 From: Eugene Aleynikov X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sthaug@nethelp.no Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation References: <3749ECA0.3CF0ABD3@lioninc.com> <47943.927611788@verdi.nethelp.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > > > I'm very disappointed that i cant install FreeBSD on my Alpha Station > > 200 > > I can succesfully install openbsd and linux but freebsd disklabel says: > > da0: rejecting BSD label: raw partition offset != slice offset > > da0: start 0, end 4178873, size 4178873 > > da0c: start 2046000, end 2045999, size 0 > > > > I cant mount fixit floppy because i dont have 2.8Mb floppy drive. > > (i was booting boot and mfsroot floppies). > > > > I dont have emergency shell ot vty4. > > I don't know if this will help you - but I was able to install completely > from the network on a floppy-less Alphastation 200 here. Needed to get > the kernel out of the boot floppy image via vnconfig, and then use the > netboot image (from boot/netboot) with bootp and tftp to get started. I > installed 4.0-19990413-CURRENT version from one of the FTP servers. It > helped a lot to use tcpdump (on another host) to see what the Alpha was > requesting. > > However, emergency shell didn't work for me either. > > Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no I think that it's not gonna change alot. It doesnt matter how i boot floppy image - through floppy or through net - i can get sysinstall menus. The problem is - sysinstall does something freaking with da0c device. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 25 10:22:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from misi.lioninc.com (misi.lioninc.com [209.67.107.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C512B14FBF for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:22:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eugene@lioninc.com) Received: from lioninc.com (blower.lioninc.com [209.67.107.193]) by misi.lioninc.com (8.8.5/SCO5) with ESMTP id KAA20985; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <374ADC54.C0B02A6B@lioninc.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:22:28 -0700 From: Eugene Aleynikov X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson wrote: > > On Mon, 24 May 1999, Eugene Aleynikov wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > I'm very disappointed that i cant install FreeBSD on my Alpha Station > > 200 > > I can succesfully install openbsd and linux but freebsd disklabel says: > > da0: rejecting BSD label: raw partition offset != slice offset > > da0: start 0, end 4178873, size 4178873 > > da0c: start 2046000, end 2045999, size 0 > > > > I cant mount fixit floppy because i dont have 2.8Mb floppy drive. > > (i was booting boot and mfsroot floppies). > > > > I dont have emergency shell ot vty4. > > > > Fdisk shows valid freebsd partition. > > Disklabel shows nothing even if i define slices with openbsd installer. > > > > I tried almost anything with disklabel - doesnt help. > > > > > > SCSI - NCR 810. > > Disc - UNISYS U1545 (2Gb). > > > > Problem exists in 3.1 and in 3.2 RELEASE. > > > > > > What can i do for you to help to fix that problem? > > I have strong C experience, and i'm using FreeBSD since 1.0.5-RELEASE. > > Exactly which version of FreeBSD are you trying to install? Does the > sysinstall program run and if so, can you try deleting the partitions and > re-creating them in the label editor of sysinstall. I used EXACTLY 3.1-RELEASE and EXACTLY 3.2-RELEASE as i said. I did completely disk cleanup and recreation from disklabel (i tried even A - automatic),. As soon as i press commit in installation menu, or w in disklabel program - i'm getting that error message. And disklabel doesnt write label to disk. Also disklabel shows that message when it starts, i e when its trying to read disklabel. > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 25 12:27:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D541515C80 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 12:27:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA51708; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:28:09 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:28:09 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Eugene Aleynikov Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation In-Reply-To: <374ADC54.C0B02A6B@lioninc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 25 May 1999, Eugene Aleynikov wrote: > Doug Rabson wrote: > > > > On Mon, 24 May 1999, Eugene Aleynikov wrote: > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > I'm very disappointed that i cant install FreeBSD on my Alpha Station > > > 200 > > > I can succesfully install openbsd and linux but freebsd disklabel says: > > > da0: rejecting BSD label: raw partition offset != slice offset > > > da0: start 0, end 4178873, size 4178873 > > > da0c: start 2046000, end 2045999, size 0 > > > > > > I cant mount fixit floppy because i dont have 2.8Mb floppy drive. > > > (i was booting boot and mfsroot floppies). > > > > > > I dont have emergency shell ot vty4. > > > > > > Fdisk shows valid freebsd partition. > > > Disklabel shows nothing even if i define slices with openbsd installer. > > > > > > I tried almost anything with disklabel - doesnt help. > > > > > > > > > SCSI - NCR 810. > > > Disc - UNISYS U1545 (2Gb). > > > > > > Problem exists in 3.1 and in 3.2 RELEASE. > > > > > > > > > What can i do for you to help to fix that problem? > > > I have strong C experience, and i'm using FreeBSD since 1.0.5-RELEASE. > > > > Exactly which version of FreeBSD are you trying to install? Does the > > sysinstall program run and if so, can you try deleting the partitions and > > re-creating them in the label editor of sysinstall. > > I used EXACTLY 3.1-RELEASE and EXACTLY 3.2-RELEASE as i said. > I did completely disk cleanup and recreation from disklabel (i tried > even A - automatic),. > As soon as i press commit in installation menu, or w in disklabel > program - i'm getting that error message. And disklabel doesnt write > label to disk. > Also disklabel shows that message when it starts, i e when its trying to > read disklabel. I'm not quite sure whats wrong with sysinstall but if you blow away the existing label with: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rdaXX count=1 then it might be less confused. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 25 12:53:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from student.lssu.edu (student.lssu.edu [198.110.216.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70AE914C37 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 12:53:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pe@student.lssu.edu) Received: from localhost (pe@localhost) by student.lssu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27230 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 15:54:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "System Admin." To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Large file system. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, Is freebsd 3.1-stable for alpha support any file system that larger than 2GB? I'm not familiar with freebsd, I know that earlier version of solaris (2.5.1) have this problem. TIA pe' ------------------------------ UNIX System Admin. Distributed Computing Services Lake Superior State University 650 W. Easterday Ave. Sault Ste. Marie. MI 49783 USA. ------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 25 12:58:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85761547E for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 12:58:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00757; Tue, 25 May 1999 12:55:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199905251955.MAA00757@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "System Admin." Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Large file system. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 25 May 1999 15:54:41 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:55:55 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hello all, > Is freebsd 3.1-stable for alpha support any file system that > larger than 2GB? I'm not familiar with freebsd, I know that earlier > version of solaris (2.5.1) have this problem. There should be no issues with large filesystems at all; I briefly ran a 40GB system on FreeBSD-alpha around christmas time. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 25 13:17:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C6515A4A for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:17:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA51827; Tue, 25 May 1999 21:17:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:17:53 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Mike Smith Cc: "System Admin." , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Large file system. In-Reply-To: <199905251955.MAA00757@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 25 May 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > Hello all, > > Is freebsd 3.1-stable for alpha support any file system that > > larger than 2GB? I'm not familiar with freebsd, I know that earlier > > version of solaris (2.5.1) have this problem. > > There should be no issues with large filesystems at all; I briefly ran > a 40GB system on FreeBSD-alpha around christmas time. I think Matt Jacob has tested it with 120G filesystems, possibly larger. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 25 13:24:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6693115AE1 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:24:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA20374; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:24:27 -0700 Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 13:23:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Doug Rabson Cc: Mike Smith , "System Admin." , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Large file system. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Hello all, > > > Is freebsd 3.1-stable for alpha support any file system that > > > larger than 2GB? I'm not familiar with freebsd, I know that earlier > > > version of solaris (2.5.1) have this problem. > > > > There should be no issues with large filesystems at all; I briefly ran > > a 40GB system on FreeBSD-alpha around christmas time. > > I think Matt Jacob has tested it with 120G filesystems, possibly larger. Not for FreeBSD-alpha (yet). I've gone up to 30GB for FreeBSD-alpha. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 25 14:42: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from misi.lioninc.com (misi.lioninc.com [209.67.107.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4A715968 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:42:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eugene@lioninc.com) Received: from lioninc.com (blower.lioninc.com [209.67.107.193]) by misi.lioninc.com (8.8.5/SCO5) with ESMTP id OAA04857; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <374B1923.716CD5E6@lioninc.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:41:55 -0700 From: Eugene Aleynikov X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson wrote: > > On Tue, 25 May 1999, Eugene Aleynikov wrote: > > > Doug Rabson wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, 24 May 1999, Eugene Aleynikov wrote: > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > I'm very disappointed that i cant install FreeBSD on my Alpha Station > > > > 200 > > > > I can succesfully install openbsd and linux but freebsd disklabel says: > > > > da0: rejecting BSD label: raw partition offset != slice offset > > > > da0: start 0, end 4178873, size 4178873 > > > > da0c: start 2046000, end 2045999, size 0 > > > > > > > > I cant mount fixit floppy because i dont have 2.8Mb floppy drive. > > > > (i was booting boot and mfsroot floppies). > > > > > > > > I dont have emergency shell ot vty4. > > > > > > > > Fdisk shows valid freebsd partition. > > > > Disklabel shows nothing even if i define slices with openbsd installer. > > > > > > > > I tried almost anything with disklabel - doesnt help. > > > > > > > > > > > > SCSI - NCR 810. > > > > Disc - UNISYS U1545 (2Gb). > > > > > > > > Problem exists in 3.1 and in 3.2 RELEASE. > > > > > > > > > > > > What can i do for you to help to fix that problem? > > > > I have strong C experience, and i'm using FreeBSD since 1.0.5-RELEASE. > > > > > > Exactly which version of FreeBSD are you trying to install? Does the > > > sysinstall program run and if so, can you try deleting the partitions and > > > re-creating them in the label editor of sysinstall. > > > > I used EXACTLY 3.1-RELEASE and EXACTLY 3.2-RELEASE as i said. > > I did completely disk cleanup and recreation from disklabel (i tried > > even A - automatic),. > > As soon as i press commit in installation menu, or w in disklabel > > program - i'm getting that error message. And disklabel doesnt write > > label to disk. > > Also disklabel shows that message when it starts, i e when its trying to > > read disklabel. > > I'm not quite sure whats wrong with sysinstall but if you blow away the > existing label with: > > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rdaXX count=1 > > then it might be less confused. How can i do it? How can i get shell prompt with dd? I cant insert fixit floppy because i dont have 2.8M floppy drive... > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 Thanx, /eugene To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 25 17: 4:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from noop.colo.erols.net (noop.colo.erols.net [207.96.1.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A4815069 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:04:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@noop.colo.erols.net) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=noop.colo.erols.net) by noop.colo.erols.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10mRB5-000Gt3-00; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:04:11 -0400 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: Doug Rabson , Mike Smith , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Large file system. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 25 May 1999 13:23:46 PDT." Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:04:06 -0400 Message-ID: <64916.927677046@noop.colo.erols.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob wrote in message ID : > Not for FreeBSD-alpha (yet). I've gone up to 30GB for FreeBSD-alpha. If someone has a supported (on the Alpha) PCI FiberChannel controller they could lend me for a week or so, I could probably test up to ~270GB. Only problem would be finding 270GB of data to put on it :) (That and waiting for newfs to finish ) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 25 17: 6:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5BA214F51; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:06:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02148; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:04:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199905260004.RAA02148@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Gary Palmer" Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Large file system. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 25 May 1999 20:04:06 EDT." <64916.927677046@noop.colo.erols.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:04:23 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Matthew Jacob wrote in message ID > : > > Not for FreeBSD-alpha (yet). I've gone up to 30GB for FreeBSD-alpha. > > If someone has a supported (on the Alpha) PCI FiberChannel controller > they could lend me for a week or so, I could probably test up to > ~270GB. Only problem would be finding 270GB of data to put on it :) > (That and waiting for newfs to finish ) Matt Jacob probably has a few of these. 8) -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 25 17:24:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9DE114A12; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:24:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA20877; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:24:33 -0700 Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:23:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Gary Palmer Cc: Doug Rabson , Mike Smith , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Large file system. In-Reply-To: <64916.927677046@noop.colo.erols.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have such a controller (Qlogic 2100). What do you have that this would be connecting to? > Matthew Jacob wrote in message ID > : > > Not for FreeBSD-alpha (yet). I've gone up to 30GB for FreeBSD-alpha. > > If someone has a supported (on the Alpha) PCI FiberChannel controller > they could lend me for a week or so, I could probably test up to > ~270GB. Only problem would be finding 270GB of data to put on it :) > (That and waiting for newfs to finish ) > > Gary > -- > Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member > FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 25 17:26:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E93A14A12; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:26:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA20886; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:26:07 -0700 Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:25:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Mike Smith Cc: Gary Palmer , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Large file system. In-Reply-To: <199905260004.RAA02148@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Matthew Jacob wrote in message ID > > : > > > Not for FreeBSD-alpha (yet). I've gone up to 30GB for FreeBSD-alpha. > > > > If someone has a supported (on the Alpha) PCI FiberChannel controller > > they could lend me for a week or so, I could probably test up to > > ~270GB. Only problem would be finding 270GB of data to put on it :) > > (That and waiting for newfs to finish ) > > Matt Jacob probably has a few of these. 8) A few. A lot in use. If you can use a copper one, I have an older HSSDC connector Qlogic 2100 that oughta work okay. I don't really have hubs and/or GBIC's to spare at the moment, and opticals are all in use. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 25 17:29: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from noop.colo.erols.net (noop.colo.erols.net [207.96.1.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B8B14A12 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:28:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@noop.colo.erols.net) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=noop.colo.erols.net) by noop.colo.erols.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10mRZC-000Gw1-00; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:29:06 -0400 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Large file system. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 25 May 1999 17:23:49 PDT." Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:29:06 -0400 Message-ID: <65100.927678546@noop.colo.erols.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob wrote in message ID : > I have such a controller (Qlogic 2100). What do you have that this would > be connecting to? LSI Logic MetaStor S series fiberchannel RAID controller w/ 30 9 gig disks behind it. With a bit more work I could probably manage 60 9gig disks, or more arrays. (No, I don't work for LSI) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 25 17:34:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from noop.colo.erols.net (noop.colo.erols.net [207.96.1.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BBB14CAB for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:34:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@noop.colo.erols.net) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=noop.colo.erols.net) by noop.colo.erols.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10mReT-000Gwd-00; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:34:33 -0400 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Large file system. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 25 May 1999 17:25:23 PDT." Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:34:33 -0400 Message-ID: <65138.927678873@noop.colo.erols.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob wrote in message ID : > A few. A lot in use. If you can use a copper one, I have an older HSSDC > connector Qlogic 2100 that oughta work okay. I don't really have hubs > and/or GBIC's to spare at the moment, and opticals are all in use. If they look like DB9's, then we probably have copper->optical converters (the MetaStors have copper on the back and we convert to optical for the FC switch). Everything else we have is glass. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 25 17:49:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC52D14C0A; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:49:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA20939; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:49:31 -0700 Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:48:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Gary Palmer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Large file system. In-Reply-To: <65138.927678873@noop.colo.erols.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (I was going to make this private to Gary, but palmer@FreeBSD.ORG bounced) > Matthew Jacob wrote in message ID > : > > A few. A lot in use. If you can use a copper one, I have an older HSSDC > > connector Qlogic 2100 that oughta work okay. I don't really have hubs > > and/or GBIC's to spare at the moment, and opticals are all in use. > > If they look like DB9's, then we probably have copper->optical > converters (the MetaStors have copper on the back and we convert to > optical for the FC switch). Everything else we have is glass. That seems fairly typical- DB-9 for the storage, and then hub to computer is optical. The current Qlogic support doesn't include fabric support (not yet), so you'll probably just want to direct connect via a DB-9 to HSS-DC cable- I think I have a spare 1 meter- kind of short- would that do? Where are you located? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed May 26 10:32:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from student.lssu.edu (student.lssu.edu [198.110.216.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C8314D61 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:32:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pe@student.lssu.edu) Received: from localhost (pe@localhost) by student.lssu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05323 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:33:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "System Admin." To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: serail port console Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello All, I just successfully installed 3.2-STABLE FreeBSD/Alpha into my AlphaServer 400 4/233. Now I have little problem. My server doesn't have video card so I have DEC terminal connected to the serial 1 on the server. When the server boots up I can see all the messages up until it said: Initial rc.alpha initialization:. rc.alpha configuring syscons: blank_time/etc/rc.alpha: cannot open /dev/ttyv0: no such device or address. Local package initialization:. Sun Mar 28 18:18:49 EST 1999 Then that's about it. It didn't go to the login prompt on the console but I can telnet in and do everything I wanted to. How can I fix this problem? I want to be able to login from console also. TIA pe' ------------------------------ UNIX System Admin. Distributed Computing Services Lake Superior State University 650 W. Easterday Ave. Sault Ste. Marie. MI 49783 USA. ------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed May 26 10:37:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4EB155D0 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:37:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA26399; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA98903; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:36:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:36:58 -0400 (EDT) To: "System Admin." Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: serail port console In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14156.12441.43813.172444@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org System Admin. writes: > Hello All, > I just successfully installed 3.2-STABLE FreeBSD/Alpha into my > AlphaServer 400 4/233. Now I have little problem. My server doesn't have > video card so I have DEC terminal connected to the serial 1 on the server. > When the server boots up I can see all the messages up until it said: > > Initial rc.alpha initialization:. > rc.alpha configuring syscons: blank_time/etc/rc.alpha: cannot open > /dev/ttyv0: no such device or address. > > Local package initialization:. > Sun Mar 28 18:18:49 EST 1999 > > Then that's about it. It didn't go to the login prompt on the console but > I can telnet in and do everything I wanted to. How can I fix this problem? > I want to be able to login from console also. > Edit your /etc/ttys and replace: ttyd0 "/usr/libexec/getty std.9600" dialup off secure with: ttyd0 "/usr/libexec/getty std.9600" vt100 on secure The send init a HUP, eg 'kill -HUP 1' Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed May 26 11:53:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from student.lssu.edu (student.lssu.edu [198.110.216.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45EE15551 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:53:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pe@student.lssu.edu) Received: from localhost (pe@localhost) by student.lssu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05812 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:54:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "System Admin." To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: DEC 3000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I have DEC3000 model 300 workstation, no floppy drive and I want to install FreeBSD/Alpha how can I do it? I read in the INSTALL.TXT under 3.2-STABLE dir. and it said net boot only. how can I accomplish that? TIA pe' ------------------------------ UNIX System Admin. Distributed Computing Services Lake Superior State University 650 W. Easterday Ave. Sault Ste. Marie. MI 49783 USA. ------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed May 26 12: 2:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4220115521 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:02:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA25962; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905261901.MAA25962@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: "System Admin." Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEC 3000 Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:01:54 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 26 May 1999 14:54:06 -0400 (EDT) "System Admin." wrote: > Hi all, > I have DEC3000 model 300 workstation, no floppy drive and I want > to install FreeBSD/Alpha how can I do it? I read in the INSTALL.TXT under > 3.2-STABLE dir. and it said net boot only. how can I accomplish that? I've seen a few messages indicating here that FreeBSD/alpha isn't up to par on the DEC 3000 ... you might consider installing NetBSD/alpha instead, which runs quite well on the DEC 3000. -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed May 26 12:50:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from student.lssu.edu (student.lssu.edu [198.110.216.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E980615783 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:50:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pe@student.lssu.edu) Received: from localhost (pe@localhost) by student.lssu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06215 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:51:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "System Admin." To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: thanks Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thank you everybody for helping ! pe' ------------------------------ UNIX System Admin. Distributed Computing Services Lake Superior State University 650 W. Easterday Ave. Sault Ste. Marie. MI 49783 USA. ------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed May 26 16:53: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mta1.mail.telepac.pt (mail1.telepac.pt [194.65.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C3E150A7 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:53:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpedras@mail.telepac.pt) Received: from manecao.tafkap.priv ([194.65.206.147]) by mta1.mail.telepac.pt (InterMail v03.02.07 118-124-101) with ESMTP id <19990526235306.CZXQ6075@manecao.tafkap.priv>; Thu, 27 May 1999 00:53:06 +0100 Content-Length: 1993 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199905261901.MAA25962@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 00:51:38 +0100 (BST) From: Joao Pedras To: Jason Thorpe Subject: Re: DEC 3000 Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, "System Admin." Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello there! I installed NetBSD-1.4 on a DEC3000 a couple weeks ago. Download the cdhdtape file, from your favorite NetBSD mirror, and dd' it to a tape using the DAT that you problably have on your system. This image can be burned into a cdrom, if no tape is available. Boot from the tape (or cdrom) and do a network install. I used ftp and it worked fine. Aahh. You must have some kind of serial terminal plugged in to the DEC3000 during the installation. The generic kernel doesn't have the NEW_SCC_DRIVER option enabled. The system WON'T BOOT if you have the keyboard/mouse plugged in. Disconnect them and plug a serial terminal. After the installation just compile a kernel with the NEW_SCC_DRIVER option in it and you'll be able to unplug the serial terminal and use the console. Regards, Joao On 26-May-99 Jason Thorpe wrote: > On Wed, 26 May 1999 14:54:06 -0400 (EDT) > "System Admin." wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I have DEC3000 model 300 workstation, no floppy drive and I want > > to install FreeBSD/Alpha how can I do it? I read in the INSTALL.TXT under > > 3.2-STABLE dir. and it said net boot only. how can I accomplish that? > > I've seen a few messages indicating here that FreeBSD/alpha isn't up > to par on the DEC 3000 ... you might consider installing NetBSD/alpha > instead, which runs quite well on the DEC 3000. > > -- Jason R. Thorpe > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sent on 27-May-99 at 00:43:59 Powered by FreeBSD -> http://www.freebsd.org <- "The Power to Serve" PGP key available upon request or may be cut at http://members.tripod.com/fbsd/pgpkey.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I don't know anything about music. In my line you don't have to." -- Elvis Presley To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed May 26 16:59:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from cygnus.ci.uc.pt (cygnus.ci.uc.pt [193.136.200.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2399714F3D for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:59:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pedro@qui.uc.pt) Received: from godfather.mafia.net (pedro@pm1-11.uc.pt [193.137.211.139]) by cygnus.ci.uc.pt (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA05610; Thu, 27 May 1999 00:56:18 +0100 (WET DST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 01:03:27 +0100 (WEST) Reply-To: Pedro Almeida Organization: Departamento de=?us-ascii?Q?_Qu=EDmica?= da Universidade de Coimbra From: Pedro Almeida To: "System Admin." Subject: RE: DEC 3000 Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! I had the same problem a few weeks ago! The solution was intall NetBSD 1.4 alpha! Use the hdtape??.fs boot file! with it you can either boot from a tape, a hd or else. An advice... get a VT terminal... you are not able to use the system console during the install, so you must get something like that and plug it on the backside serial port! hope that this info will help you. Pedro > Hi all, > I have DEC3000 model 300 workstation, no floppy drive and I want > to install FreeBSD/Alpha how can I do it? I read in the INSTALL.TXT under > 3.2-STABLE dir. and it said net boot only. how can I accomplish that? > --------------------------------------------------- Pedro Almeida Departamento de Física Universidade de Coimbra 3000 Coimbra Portugal Tel: +351-39-852080 Fax: +351-39-827703 TM: +351-931-4039968 E-Mail: Pedro Almeida Sent on 27-May-99 at 00:57:28 Fortune: Alden's Laws: (1) Giving away baby clothes and furniture is the major cause of pregnancy. (2) Always be backlit. (3) Sit down whenever possible. This message was sent by XFMail running on my Pentium Pro 200 Linux Box PGP key available upon request -------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed May 26 17:28:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from student.lssu.edu (student.lssu.edu [198.110.216.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE031575F for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 17:28:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pe@student.lssu.edu) Received: from localhost (pe@localhost) by student.lssu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08216; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:29:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "System Admin." To: Jason Thorpe Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEC 3000 In-Reply-To: <199905261901.MAA25962@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thank you for all the info how to install NetBSD 1.4 on the DEC3000. Pe' ------------------------------ UNIX System Admin. Distributed Computing Services Lake Superior State University 650 W. Easterday Ave. Sault Ste. Marie. MI 49783 USA. ------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 27 16:10:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from helios.dnttm.ru (dnttm-gw.rssi.ru [193.232.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B154315A58 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:10:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by helios.dnttm.ru (8.9.1/8.9.1/IP-3) with UUCP id DAA17345; Fri, 28 May 1999 03:02:22 +0400 Received: from tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA01718; Fri, 28 May 1999 03:07:11 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Message-Id: <199905272307.DAA01718@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Doug Rabson Cc: Hidetoshi Shimokawa , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 18 May 1999 21:19:00 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 03:07:11 +0400 From: Dmitrij Tejblum Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson wrote: > On Wed, 19 May 1999, Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > > > (gdb) print pa > > $1 = 350412800 > > (gdb) print *pte > > $2 = 183717226090783 > > (gdb) print faultoff > > $3 = 10 > > (gdb) print /x pa > > $4 = 0x14e2e000 > > (gdb) print /x *pte > > $5 = 0xa7170000111f > > (gdb) print /x faultoff > > $6 = 0xa > > (gdb) > > This is very odd. The page isn't marked as PG_MANAGED somehow but that > doesn't make sense. The page is in user space but doesn't have any user > read/write permissions. Actually, it seems the page is in the upages, since the fault is in |#5 0xfffffc000046a1dc in swapout (p=0xfffffe000cdf9340) | at ../../vm/vm_glue.c:510 on this line: ++p->p_stats->p_ru.ru_nswap; So, it's ok that the page isn't marked PG_MANAGED and don't have any user read/write permission, but it isn't ok that it is marked PG_FOR | PG_FOW | PG_FOE. It may happen if something accessed upages of a swapped out process. In this case vm_fault will pmap_enter a zero page in place of the upages. That may explain this panic and 'pv_table is inconsistent' panic. Recently a couple of potential invalid access to upages were fixed: the ones related to calcru() and in alpha/alpha/mem.c. Frankly, I thought that fixed the panic. But today I implemented reliable detection of invalid access to upages, and found another one. In trap(ALPHA_IF_CODE_FEN), and probably in other places, fpcurproc may be swapped out. I see following solutions: - move pcb out of upages - keep fpcurproc locked in memory: when we change fpcurproc, PRELE old and PHOLD new. - fault fpcurproc in when the FPU state need to be saved - disable swapping forever Dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri May 28 1:29:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF0014CA6 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 01:29:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA32983; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:29:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:29:21 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Dmitrij Tejblum Cc: Hidetoshi Shimokawa , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. In-Reply-To: <199905272307.DAA01718@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 28 May 1999, Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: > Doug Rabson wrote: > > On Wed, 19 May 1999, Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > > > > > (gdb) print pa > > > $1 = 350412800 > > > (gdb) print *pte > > > $2 = 183717226090783 > > > (gdb) print faultoff > > > $3 = 10 > > > (gdb) print /x pa > > > $4 = 0x14e2e000 > > > (gdb) print /x *pte > > > $5 = 0xa7170000111f > > > (gdb) print /x faultoff > > > $6 = 0xa > > > (gdb) > > > > This is very odd. The page isn't marked as PG_MANAGED somehow but that > > doesn't make sense. The page is in user space but doesn't have any user > > read/write permissions. > > Actually, it seems the page is in the upages, since the fault is in > |#5 0xfffffc000046a1dc in swapout (p=0xfffffe000cdf9340) > | at ../../vm/vm_glue.c:510 > on this line: > ++p->p_stats->p_ru.ru_nswap; > So, it's ok that the page isn't marked PG_MANAGED and don't have any > user read/write permission, but it isn't ok that it is marked > PG_FOR | PG_FOW | PG_FOE. > > It may happen if something accessed upages of a swapped out process. > In this case vm_fault will pmap_enter a zero page in place of the upages. > That may explain this panic and 'pv_table is inconsistent' panic. > > Recently a couple of potential invalid access to upages were fixed: the > ones related to calcru() and in alpha/alpha/mem.c. Frankly, I thought > that fixed the panic. But today I implemented reliable detection of > invalid access to upages, and found another one. > > In trap(ALPHA_IF_CODE_FEN), and probably in other places, fpcurproc may be > swapped out. > > I see following solutions: > - move pcb out of upages > - keep fpcurproc locked in memory: when we change fpcurproc, PRELE > old and PHOLD new. > - fault fpcurproc in when the FPU state need to be saved > - disable swapping forever I think the simplest is to do the second option. I'd like to keep the fix small so that it can be back-ported to 3.2. Do you want to work on fixing this or shall I? I probably won't be able to get to it before the weekend. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri May 28 2:13:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from helios.dnttm.ru (dnttm-gw.rssi.ru [193.232.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15E714D93 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 02:13:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by helios.dnttm.ru (8.9.1/8.9.1/IP-3) with UUCP id NAA28117; Fri, 28 May 1999 13:07:02 +0400 Received: from tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA01419; Fri, 28 May 1999 13:11:56 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Message-Id: <199905280911.NAA01419@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Doug Rabson Cc: Hidetoshi Shimokawa , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Panic: warning: pmap_changebit didn't. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 28 May 1999 09:29:21 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 13:11:56 +0400 From: Dmitrij Tejblum Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson wrote: > > In trap(ALPHA_IF_CODE_FEN), and probably in other places, fpcurproc may be > > swapped out. > > > > I see following solutions: > > - move pcb out of upages > > - keep fpcurproc locked in memory: when we change fpcurproc, PRELE > > old and PHOLD new. > > - fault fpcurproc in when the FPU state need to be saved > > - disable swapping forever > > I think the simplest is to do the second option. I'd like to keep the fix > small so that it can be back-ported to 3.2. Do you want to work on fixing > this or shall I? I probably won't be able to get to it before the weekend. No, please do. I'll probably be busy today too. Dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri May 28 6:20: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E908D14D0E for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 06:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id GAA57226; Fri, 28 May 1999 06:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id 135C614C42; Fri, 28 May 1999 06:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <19990528131213.135C614C42@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 06:12:13 -0700 (PDT) From: a@a.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: pending/11912: a Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 11912 >Category: pending >Synopsis: a >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: high >Responsible: freebsd-alpha >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri May 28 06:20:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: a >Release: a >Organization: a >Environment: a >Description: a >How-To-Repeat: a >Fix: a >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri May 28 6:29:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA5B154EC; Fri, 28 May 1999 06:29:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from steve@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id GAA64675; Fri, 28 May 1999 06:29:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 06:29:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199905281329.GAA64675@freefall.freebsd.org> To: a@a.com, steve@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: pending/11912: a Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: a State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: steve State-Changed-When: Fri May 28 06:29:13 PDT 1999 State-Changed-Why: Bogus problem report. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri May 28 12:20:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from student.lssu.edu (student.lssu.edu [198.110.216.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FD314EAB for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 12:20:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pe@student.lssu.edu) Received: from localhost (pe@localhost) by student.lssu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23416 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 15:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:21:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "System Admin." To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: doc. on config kernel Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello All, If I want to recompile kernel. Where can I find the documentation on FreeBSD/Alpha system? I look on the handbook on the web but I can't find anything about how to configuring kernel. Only thing that they have is on i386. TIA pe' ------------------------------ UNIX System Admin. Distributed Computing Services Lake Superior State University 650 W. Easterday Ave. Sault Ste. Marie. MI 49783 USA. ------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri May 28 18:44: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from student.lssu.edu (student.lssu.edu [198.110.216.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF9F14D8C for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 18:44:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pe@student.lssu.edu) Received: from localhost (pe@localhost) by student.lssu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27128 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 21:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 21:44:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "System Admin." To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: printer & tape backup Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, Does FreeBSD/Alpha support lpt and tape backup devices? How come I can't print and backup the system? If it support how can I do it? and what device should I looking for? TIA pe' ------------------------------ UNIX System Admin. Distributed Computing Services Lake Superior State University 650 W. Easterday Ave. Sault Ste. Marie. MI 49783 USA. ------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri May 28 22:57:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wan2.wanlink.com (gw2.wanlink.com [206.124.181.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38377153D7 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 22:57:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from neal@wanlink.com) Received: from localhost (neal@localhost.wanlink.com [127.0.0.1]) by wan2.wanlink.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) with SMTP id XAA21028 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 23:00:02 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:00:02 -0700 (MST) From: Neal Horman To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: hard drive there, but not Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ok.... uncle... could someone help me with this please? i'm using 4.0-19990524.... oooohh I love it when a release disapears out from underneath you... umm... 4.0-19990527-CURRENT, using kern.flp and mfsroot.flp on an as200. the startup device probes report; ----- cut ----- Entering kernel at 0xfffffc0000321e60... Copyright (c) 1992-1999 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.0-19990527-CURRENT #0: Fri May 28 19:10:29 GMT 1999 jkh@beast.cdrom.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/BOOTMFS AlphaStation 200/400 ("Avanti") AlphaStation 200 4/233, 233MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. CPU: EV45 (21064A) major=6 minor=0 OSF PAL rev: 0x100000002012e real memory = 15482880 (15120K bytes) avail memory = 7462912 (7288K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xfffffc000085a000. Preloaded mfs_root "/mfsroot" at 0xfffffc000085a0c0. apecs0: pcib0: <2107x PCI host bus adapter> pci0: on pcib0 {a|b|c} Implies any combination of a, b, c. ncr0: irq 11 at device 6.0 on pci0 ncr0: interrupting at ISA irq 11 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 de0: irq 5 at device 11.0 on pci0 de0: interrupting at ISA irq 5 de0: DEC 21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.4 de0: address 00:00:f8:23:40:74 mcclock0: at port 0x70 on isa0 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A, console sio0: interrupting at ISA irq 4 sio1: reserved for low-level i/o atkbdc0: at port 0x60-0x6f on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 atkbd0: interrupting at ISA irq 1 de0: enabling AUI/BNC port struct nfssvc_sock bloated (> 256bytes) Try reducing NFS_UIDHASHSIZ struct nfsuid bloated (> 128bytes) Try unionizing the nu_nickname and nu_flag fields Timecounter "alpha" frequency 233328575 Hz Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle rootfs is 2880 Kbyte compiled in MFS WARNING: cloda0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 8580MB (17298450 520 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1076C) ----- end ----- the presence of da0, but when i go to do a disklabel on it, sysinstall says that there is no disk to label. any suggestions? TIA ---------- Neal Horman "Today, is an opportunity for us all to learn something new." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 29 0:17: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F2D14CBE for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 00:16:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA18108; Sat, 29 May 1999 08:04:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 08:04:59 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "System Admin." Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: printer & tape backup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 28 May 1999, System Admin. wrote: > Hi all, > Does FreeBSD/Alpha support lpt and tape backup devices? How come I > can't print and backup the system? If it support how can I do it? and what > device should I looking for? Printer isn't there yet (its waiting for someone to have the time to port the i386 ppc driver). SCSI tape should be well supported and ATAPI tape probably works in -current (not tested). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 29 0:17:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D176F15210 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 00:16:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17831; Sat, 29 May 1999 08:03:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 08:03:27 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Neal Horman Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hard drive there, but not In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 28 May 1999, Neal Horman wrote: > > ok.... uncle... could someone help me with this please? > > i'm using 4.0-19990524.... oooohh I love it when a release disapears out > from underneath you... umm... 4.0-19990527-CURRENT, using kern.flp and > mfsroot.flp on an as200. > > the startup device probes report; > ... > > the presence of da0, but when i go to do a disklabel on it, sysinstall > says that there is no disk to label. > > any suggestions? Are you saying that sysinstall didn't find any disks in its probe? What is printed on the debugging screen (Alt-F2 to switch if you are using a VGA console)? -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 29 0:17:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E2014FC5 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 00:16:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA18437; Sat, 29 May 1999 08:06:09 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 08:06:09 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "System Admin." Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: doc. on config kernel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 28 May 1999, System Admin. wrote: > Hello All, > If I want to recompile kernel. Where can I find the documentation > on FreeBSD/Alpha system? I look on the handbook on the web but I can't > find anything about how to configuring kernel. Only thing that they have > is on i386. The config file syntax and build procedure is exactly the same as for i386. There isn't an equivalent of LINT but most supported drivers are there in GENERIC. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 29 0:35:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068D815287 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 00:35:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA18945 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 00:36:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: New snapshot on ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/alpha/ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:36:33 -0700 Message-ID: <18941.927963393@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 4.0-19990527-CURRENT should contain all the latest support fixes for the Alpha - please let us know if anything serious was broken in trade :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 29 11: 1:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wan2.wanlink.com (gw2.wanlink.com [206.124.181.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6245514CA1 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:01:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from neal@wanlink.com) Received: from localhost (neal@localhost.wanlink.com [127.0.0.1]) by wan2.wanlink.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA10625; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:03:15 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 11:03:15 -0700 (MST) From: Neal Horman To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hard drive there, but not In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 29 May 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 08:03:27 +0100 (BST) > From: Doug Rabson > To: Neal Horman > Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: hard drive there, but not > > On Fri, 28 May 1999, Neal Horman wrote: > > > > > ok.... uncle... could someone help me with this please? > > > > i'm using 4.0-19990524.... oooohh I love it when a release disapears out > > from underneath you... umm... 4.0-19990527-CURRENT, using kern.flp and > > mfsroot.flp on an as200. > > > > the startup device probes report; > > ... > > > > the presence of da0, but when i go to do a disklabel on it, sysinstall > > says that there is no disk to label. > > > > any suggestions? > > Are you saying that sysinstall didn't find any disks in its probe? + Message + |No disks found! Please verify that your disk controller is being | |properly probed at boot time. See the Hardware Guide on the | |Documentation menu for clues on diagnosing this type of problem. | +(100%)+ > What is > printed on the debugging screen (Alt-F2 to switch if you are using a VGA > console)? > this machine is headless. > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > > ---------- Neal Horman "Today, is an opportunity for us all to learn something new." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 29 12:13:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA0414C97 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 12:13:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA29494; Sat, 29 May 1999 15:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA64832; Sat, 29 May 1999 15:13:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 15:13:48 -0400 (EDT) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New snapshot on ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/alpha/ In-Reply-To: <18941.927963393@zippy.cdrom.com> References: <18941.927963393@zippy.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14160.14811.158650.684648@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > 4.0-19990527-CURRENT should contain all the latest support fixes > for the Alpha - please let us know if anything serious was broken > in trade :-) > > - Jordan This is the first snapshot to include the recently committed support for the Compaq XP1000 and other DEC_ST6600 family machines. If you have an XP1000 (or DS20 or DS10 or DP264) that you've been itching to try FreeBSD on, give this snapshot a whirl. The only DEC_ST6600 platform I that have access to is the xp1000, so I'd appreciate hearing from owners of other ST6600 boxes (DS20, DS10 or DP264) who try this. Also, XFree86 requires a few patches that are still up in the air. Contact me to obtain them before attempting to run X on one of these boxes. Cheers, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 29 21:11:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18AC414D90; Sat, 29 May 1999 21:11:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from steve@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id VAA71293; Sat, 29 May 1999 21:11:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 21:11:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199905300411.VAA71293@freefall.freebsd.org> To: steve@FreeBSD.org, gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: pending/11889: MD5 checksum error on slib.aq under releases/alpha/3.2-STABLE/src Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: MD5 checksum error on slib.aq under releases/alpha/3.2-STABLE/src Responsible-Changed-From-To: gnats-admin->freebsd-alpha Responsible-Changed-By: steve Responsible-Changed-When: Sat May 29 21:10:49 PDT 1999 Responsible-Changed-Why: Misfiled PR. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 31 4:25:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from metzelkueche.tabu.uni-bonn.de (metzelkueche.tabu.uni-bonn.de [131.220.159.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED2914D25 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 04:25:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from armin@openBSD.de) Received: from localhost (armin@localhost) by metzelkueche.tabu.uni-bonn.de (8.9.1/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA12742 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 13:25:35 +0200 Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 13:25:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Armin Ollig X-Sender: armin@metzelkueche.tabu.uni-bonn.de To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: sio overflows Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, i have set up my alpha to dial an ISP with pppd. When dialing out via cuaa0 or ttyd0 i get massive sio overflows. I configure the serial port with the /etc/rc.serial script as a modem port with 57600 baud. This happens even at a 9600 baud connection when receiving or sending files via ftp. top reports a totally idle system while the sio overflows occur. The kernel reports cuaa0 to be a 16550 UART which is true. OS is 0524 snapshot, Hardware: PC164, 500mHz, 128mb ram, ncr53C810, S3 vga Any suggestions ? best regards, --armin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 31 6:58:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FFB314BF1 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 06:58:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27866; Mon, 31 May 1999 14:58:35 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 14:58:35 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Armin Ollig Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sio overflows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 31 May 1999, Armin Ollig wrote: > hi, > > i have set up my alpha to dial an ISP with pppd. > When dialing out via cuaa0 or ttyd0 i get massive sio overflows. > I configure the serial port with the /etc/rc.serial script as a modem > port with 57600 baud. > > This happens even at a 9600 baud connection when receiving or sending > files via ftp. top reports a totally idle system while the sio overflows > occur. The kernel reports cuaa0 to be a 16550 UART which is true. > > OS is 0524 snapshot, > Hardware: PC164, 500mHz, 128mb ram, ncr53C810, S3 vga > > Any suggestions ? This is a known problem but I don't have a solution as yet. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 31 11:41:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A35C15052; Mon, 31 May 1999 11:41:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id UAA06518; Mon, 31 May 1999 20:30:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01320; Mon, 31 May 1999 20:13:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199905311813.UAA01320@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: converting Multia riser card into a generic NCR810 (Take 2) To: port-alpha@netbsd.org, FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:13:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Take 2: I've added a few pictures of a converted board to the web page. I hope this helps people to figure out if it is do-able for them. See: http://www.tcja.nl/~wilko/ncr_hack.html | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 31 15: 0:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from helios.dnttm.ru (dnttm-gw.rssi.ru [193.232.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1737154A8; Mon, 31 May 1999 15:00:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by helios.dnttm.ru (8.9.1/8.9.1/IP-3) with UUCP id BAA03987; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 01:58:59 +0400 Received: from tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA01161; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:04:04 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Message-Id: <199905312204.CAA01161@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Dmitrij Tejblum Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha autoconf.c In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 31 May 1999 13:44:13 PDT." <199905312044.NAA86736@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 02:04:04 +0400 From: Dmitrij Tejblum Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: > dt 1999/05/31 13:44:13 PDT > > Modified files: > sys/alpha/alpha autoconf.c > Log: > Don't use nblkdev. Sorry, this is premature. The alpha kernel does not boot. Dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jun 1 13:29:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from student.lssu.edu (student.lssu.edu [198.110.216.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6C31581A for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:29:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pe@student.lssu.edu) Received: from localhost (pe@localhost) by student.lssu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17627 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:30:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "System Admin." To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: tape drive problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I just installed FreeBSD/Alpha on AlphaServer 400 4/233 and it works great! I love it!. But I have a small problem that my DDS2 tape backup doesn't work. I look in /var/dmesg.today and found out that my tape device is sa0: sa0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 sa0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device sa0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8) but when I use mt -f /dev/sa0 status it tells me that the device is not configure. So, I did this: # ./MAKEDEV sa0 and it's still gave me the same error. When I look futher in the log file I saw this error message: (sa0:ncr0:0:5:0): Medium not present (sa0:ncr0:0:5:0): REWIND. CDB: 1 0 0 0 0 0 (sa0:ncr0:0:5:0): NOT READY asc:3a,0 (sa0:ncr0:0:5:0): Medium not present This error occur everytime when I run /stand/sysinstall command. So, how can I fix this ploblem? I want to be able to backup my system specially when I just finish setting up my intranet secure webserver on it. =) Thank ou for the help! TIA pe' ------------------------------ UNIX System Admin. Distributed Computing Services Lake Superior State University 650 W. Easterday Ave. Sault Ste. Marie. MI 49783 USA. ------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jun 1 13:53:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from student.lssu.edu (student.lssu.edu [198.110.216.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DEA41577A for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:53:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pe@student.lssu.edu) Received: from localhost (pe@localhost) by student.lssu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17964; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:54:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "System Admin." To: Nick Manka Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tape drive problem In-Reply-To: <9906012037.AA14349@baileynm.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Thank you for reply back so quick! Ok, now I got it to work finally! I have a new question; what's the different between nrsa0 and rsa0? because when I use mt -f /dev/rsa0 status or mt -f /dev/nrsa0 status it gave me the same result. And what the recommended backup command for FreeBSD system. Is there any backup command that fimilar to ufsdump and ufsrestore on Solaris? Thank you! TIA pe' ------------------------------ UNIX System Admin. Distributed Computing Services Lake Superior State University 650 W. Easterday Ave. Sault Ste. Marie. MI 49783 USA. ------------------------------ On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Nick Manka wrote: > > > but when I use mt -f /dev/sa0 status it tells me that the device is not > > configure. So, I did this: > > > > # ./MAKEDEV sa0 > > > (sa0:ncr0:0:5:0): Medium not present > > (sa0:ncr0:0:5:0): REWIND. CDB: 1 0 0 0 0 0 > > (sa0:ncr0:0:5:0): NOT READY asc:3a,0 > > (sa0:ncr0:0:5:0): Medium not present > > > > This error occur everytime when I run /stand/sysinstall command. So, how > > can I fix this ploblem? I want to be able to backup my system specially > > when I just finish setting up my intranet secure webserver on it. =) Thank > > ou for the help! > > While returning "device not configured" is probably not the most desirable > response for a "No tape present" condition, this isn't an error condition. > > Sysinstall probes local devices on startup to determine whether or not > they are installation media. When it probes sa0, the tape driver > responds that there is no tape in the drive. This is eventually > translated up as a "Device not configured" error (probably because some > of the device's status depends on what kind of tape you have in > there). > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jun 1 14:32:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from acetylene.vapornet.net (acetylene.vapornet.net [209.100.218.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F3014FFD for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:32:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@vapornet.net) Received: from datapit.home.vapornet.net (vapornet.xnet.com [205.243.141.107]) by acetylene.vapornet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/VaporServer 2.01) with ESMTP id QAA38896; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:32:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope from: john@vapornet.net) Received: from habanero.chili-pepper.net (habanero.chili-pepper.net [192.168.0.11]) by datapit.home.vapornet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/VaporServer 1.4) with ESMTP id QAA42417; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:32:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope from: john@vapornet.net) Received: (from john@localhost) by habanero.chili-pepper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/VaporClient v3.1) id QAA39007; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:31:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope from: john@vapornet.net) From: John Preisler MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:31:53 -0500 (CDT) To: "System Admin." Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: re: tape drive problem X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14164.20087.677294.604963@habanero.chili-pepper.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Its a tape drive, not a disk drive. read and write from the raw block device. /dev/rsa0, or /dev/nrsa0 if you dont want it to rewind after each operation. Medium not present is computer-ese for "there is no tape in this tape drive." Also, many utilities you might wish to use support the $TAPE environment variable. export TAPE=/dev/nrsa0 or setenv TAPE /dev/nrsa0 if you C shell. If you have multiple unix machines you can dump them all to one tape on one host by using amanda in the ports collection. -j Hello, I just installed FreeBSD/Alpha on AlphaServer 400 4/233 and it works great! I love it!. But I have a small problem that my DDS2 tape backup doesn't work. I look in /var/dmesg.today and found out that my tape device is sa0: sa0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 sa0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device sa0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8) but when I use mt -f /dev/sa0 status it tells me that the device is not configure. So, I did this: # ./MAKEDEV sa0 and it's still gave me the same error. When I look futher in the log file I saw this error message: (sa0:ncr0:0:5:0): Medium not present (sa0:ncr0:0:5:0): REWIND. CDB: 1 0 0 0 0 0 (sa0:ncr0:0:5:0): NOT READY asc:3a,0 (sa0:ncr0:0:5:0): Medium not present This error occur everytime when I run /stand/sysinstall command. So, how can I fix this ploblem? I want to be able to backup my system specially when I just finish setting up my intranet secure webserver on it. =) Thank ou for the help! TIA pe' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jun 1 15:20:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3C315487 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:20:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA25173; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:20:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:20:45 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "System Admin." Cc: Nick Manka , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tape drive problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, System Admin. wrote: > Hello, > Thank you for reply back so quick! Ok, now I got it to work > finally! I have a new question; what's the different between nrsa0 and > rsa0? because when I use mt -f /dev/rsa0 status or mt -f /dev/nrsa0 status > it gave me the same result. And what the recommended backup command for > FreeBSD system. Is there any backup command that fimilar to ufsdump and > ufsrestore on Solaris? Thank you! The nrsa0 device doesn't rewind on close, rsa0 does rewind. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jun 1 15:41:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from helios.dnttm.ru (dnttm-gw.rssi.ru [193.232.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5229714BFE; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:41:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by helios.dnttm.ru (8.9.1/8.9.1/IP-3) with UUCP id CAA26080; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:33:12 +0400 Received: from tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA01708; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:38:32 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Message-Id: <199906012238.CAA01708@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Dmitrij Tejblum Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha cons.c In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 Jun 1999 13:26:07 PDT." <199906012026.NAA87421@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 02:38:32 +0400 From: Dmitrij Tejblum Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: > dt 1999/06/01 13:26:07 PDT > > Modified files: > sys/alpha/alpha cons.c > Log: > cdevsw_add(&cn_devsw), not cdevsw_add(&dev). For the record, it make alpha kernel bootable again. Dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jun 1 17:18:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37F4157D6 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:18:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21242; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:18:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd021201; Tue Jun 1 17:18:26 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA04947; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:18:09 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199906020018.RAA04947@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: sio overflows To: dfr@nlsystems.com (Doug Rabson) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:18:09 +0000 (GMT) Cc: armin@openBSD.de, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Doug Rabson" at May 31, 99 02:58:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > i have set up my alpha to dial an ISP with pppd. > > When dialing out via cuaa0 or ttyd0 i get massive sio overflows. > > I configure the serial port with the /etc/rc.serial script as a modem > > port with 57600 baud. > > > > This happens even at a 9600 baud connection when receiving or sending > > files via ftp. top reports a totally idle system while the sio overflows > > occur. The kernel reports cuaa0 to be a 16550 UART which is true. > > > > OS is 0524 snapshot, > > Hardware: PC164, 500mHz, 128mb ram, ncr53C810, S3 vga > > > > Any suggestions ? > > This is a known problem but I don't have a solution as yet. There was a patch (before the bus stuff went in), posted to the alpha list a while back, that added FASTINTR support for the Alpha. The SILO overflows are a result of that support not having been integrated. It's my understanding that since the bus stuff went into the Alpha before it went into the x86, the patch may still be good. No, I do not have a copy of the patch that I can send you; check the -alpha list archives. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 2 0: 6:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA0F14EC0 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:06:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA43826; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:06:50 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:06:50 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Terry Lambert Cc: armin@openBSD.de, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sio overflows In-Reply-To: <199906020018.RAA04947@usr09.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > i have set up my alpha to dial an ISP with pppd. > > > When dialing out via cuaa0 or ttyd0 i get massive sio overflows. > > > I configure the serial port with the /etc/rc.serial script as a modem > > > port with 57600 baud. > > > > > > This happens even at a 9600 baud connection when receiving or sending > > > files via ftp. top reports a totally idle system while the sio overflows > > > occur. The kernel reports cuaa0 to be a 16550 UART which is true. > > > > > > OS is 0524 snapshot, > > > Hardware: PC164, 500mHz, 128mb ram, ncr53C810, S3 vga > > > > > > Any suggestions ? > > > > This is a known problem but I don't have a solution as yet. > > There was a patch (before the bus stuff went in), posted to the > alpha list a while back, that added FASTINTR support for the > Alpha. The SILO overflows are a result of that support not > having been integrated. Are you absolutely sure about this? I have been following this list pretty carefully over the last year and I don't recall anything of this nature. > > It's my understanding that since the bus stuff went into the Alpha > before it went into the x86, the patch may still be good. The Alpha used the new bus stuff for ISA (and everything else) from day one. > > No, I do not have a copy of the patch that I can send you; check the > -alpha list archives. I can't see anything. Can you remember the subject line? -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 2 22:41:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from student.lssu.edu (student.lssu.edu [198.110.216.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7CD14C8B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:41:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pe@student.lssu.edu) Received: from localhost (pe@localhost) by student.lssu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00578; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 01:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 01:42:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "System Admin." To: Joao Pedras Cc: Jason Thorpe , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEC 3000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there, Sorry to bother you guys again, now this time is strictly for NetBSD-1.4 on DEC3000-300. I installed NetBSD-1.4 into it already, I configured the rc.conf and reboot but I still can't use any of the telnetd or ftpd etc. (in inetd.conf) if I ran the program manually (/usr/libexec/telnetd &) it gave me Socket operation on non-socket. So, I think it must be the kernel. I download a latest source and new version of config, I added "options NEW_SCC_DRIVER" as Mr. Joao suggested so I can use my normal keyboard and mouse and monitor instead of serial terminal, then run make depend, and make. Now at the end of making it I have these errors: dec_3000_300.o: In function `dec_3000_300_cons_init'; dec_3000_300.c(.text+0x108): undefined reference to `zs_ioasic_lk201_cnattach' dec_3000_300.c(.text+0x10c): undefined reference to `zs_ioasic_lk201_cnattach' dec_3000_300.c(.text+0x1a4): undefined reference to `zs_ioasic_cnattach' dec_3000_300.c(.text+0x1a8): undefined reference to `zs_ioasic_cnattach' ***Error code 1 Stop. What's wrong? How can I fix this problem? Is it because some devices? Thank you for helping me out. TIA pe' ------------------------------ UNIX System Admin. Distributed Computing Services Lake Superior State University 650 W. Easterday Ave. Sault Ste. Marie. MI 49783 USA. ------------------------------ On Thu, 27 May 1999, Joao Pedras wrote: > Hello there! > > I installed NetBSD-1.4 on a DEC3000 a couple weeks ago. > > Download the cdhdtape file, from your favorite NetBSD mirror, and dd' it to a > tape using the DAT that you problably have on your system. This image can be > burned into a cdrom, if no tape is available. > > Boot from the tape (or cdrom) and do a network install. I used ftp and it > worked fine. > > Aahh. You must have some kind of serial terminal plugged in to the DEC3000 > during the installation. The generic kernel doesn't have the NEW_SCC_DRIVER > option enabled. The system WON'T BOOT if you have the keyboard/mouse plugged > in. Disconnect them and plug a serial terminal. > > After the installation just compile a kernel with the NEW_SCC_DRIVER option in > it and you'll be able to unplug the serial terminal and use the console. > > Regards, > > Joao > > On 26-May-99 Jason Thorpe wrote: > > On Wed, 26 May 1999 14:54:06 -0400 (EDT) > > "System Admin." wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > I have DEC3000 model 300 workstation, no floppy drive and I want > > > to install FreeBSD/Alpha how can I do it? I read in the INSTALL.TXT under > > > 3.2-STABLE dir. and it said net boot only. how can I accomplish that? > > > > I've seen a few messages indicating here that FreeBSD/alpha isn't up > > to par on the DEC 3000 ... you might consider installing NetBSD/alpha > > instead, which runs quite well on the DEC 3000. > > > > -- Jason R. Thorpe > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sent on 27-May-99 at 00:43:59 > Powered by FreeBSD -> http://www.freebsd.org <- "The Power to Serve" > PGP key available upon request or may be cut at > http://members.tripod.com/fbsd/pgpkey.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > "I don't know anything about music. In my line you don't have to." > -- Elvis Presley > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 2 22:53:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from burka.rdy.com (burka.rdy.com [205.149.163.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259CF14C8B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@burka.rdy.com) Received: (from dima@localhost) by burka.rdy.com (8.9.3/RDY&DVV) id WAA87946; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906030552.WAA87946@burka.rdy.com> Subject: Re: DEC 3000 In-Reply-To: from "System Admin." at "Jun 3, 1999 01:42:13 am" To: pe@student.lssu.edu (System Admin.) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jpedras@mail.telepac.pt (Joao Pedras), thorpej@nas.nasa.gov (Jason Thorpe), freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome Reply-To: dima@best.net From: dima@best.net (Dima Ruban) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What exactly does it have to do with FreeBSD? System Admin. writes: > Hi there, > Sorry to bother you guys again, now this time is strictly for > NetBSD-1.4 on DEC3000-300. I installed NetBSD-1.4 into it already, I > configured the rc.conf and reboot but I still can't use any of the telnetd > or ftpd etc. (in inetd.conf) if I ran the program manually > (/usr/libexec/telnetd &) it gave me Socket operation on non-socket. So, I > think it must be the kernel. I download a latest source and new version of > config, I added "options NEW_SCC_DRIVER" as Mr. Joao suggested so I can > use my normal keyboard and mouse and monitor instead of serial > terminal, then run make depend, and make. Now at the end of making it I > have these errors: > > dec_3000_300.o: In function `dec_3000_300_cons_init'; > dec_3000_300.c(.text+0x108): undefined reference to > `zs_ioasic_lk201_cnattach' > dec_3000_300.c(.text+0x10c): undefined reference to > `zs_ioasic_lk201_cnattach' > dec_3000_300.c(.text+0x1a4): undefined reference to `zs_ioasic_cnattach' > dec_3000_300.c(.text+0x1a8): undefined reference to `zs_ioasic_cnattach' > ***Error code 1 > > Stop. > > What's wrong? How can I fix this problem? Is it because some devices? > Thank you for helping me out. > > TIA > > pe' > > > ------------------------------ > UNIX System Admin. > Distributed Computing Services > Lake Superior State University > 650 W. Easterday Ave. > Sault Ste. Marie. MI > 49783 USA. > ------------------------------ > > On Thu, 27 May 1999, Joao Pedras wrote: > > > Hello there! > > > > I installed NetBSD-1.4 on a DEC3000 a couple weeks ago. > > > > Download the cdhdtape file, from your favorite NetBSD mirror, and dd' it to a > > tape using the DAT that you problably have on your system. This image can be > > burned into a cdrom, if no tape is available. > > > > Boot from the tape (or cdrom) and do a network install. I used ftp and it > > worked fine. > > > > Aahh. You must have some kind of serial terminal plugged in to the DEC3000 > > during the installation. The generic kernel doesn't have the NEW_SCC_DRIVER > > option enabled. The system WON'T BOOT if you have the keyboard/mouse plugged > > in. Disconnect them and plug a serial terminal. > > > > After the installation just compile a kernel with the NEW_SCC_DRIVER option in > > it and you'll be able to unplug the serial terminal and use the console. > > > > Regards, > > > > Joao > > > > On 26-May-99 Jason Thorpe wrote: > > > On Wed, 26 May 1999 14:54:06 -0400 (EDT) > > > "System Admin." wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I have DEC3000 model 300 workstation, no floppy drive and I want > > > > to install FreeBSD/Alpha how can I do it? I read in the INSTALL.TXT under > > > > 3.2-STABLE dir. and it said net boot only. how can I accomplish that? > > > > > > I've seen a few messages indicating here that FreeBSD/alpha isn't up > > > to par on the DEC 3000 ... you might consider installing NetBSD/alpha > > > instead, which runs quite well on the DEC 3000. > > > > > > -- Jason R. Thorpe > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Sent on 27-May-99 at 00:43:59 > > Powered by FreeBSD -> http://www.freebsd.org <- "The Power to Serve" > > PGP key available upon request or may be cut at > > http://members.tripod.com/fbsd/pgpkey.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > "I don't know anything about music. In my line you don't have to." > > -- Elvis Presley > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > -- dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 3 13:45:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112E614BDE for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:44:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA06503; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:44:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd006477; Thu Jun 3 13:44:51 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA06163; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:44:49 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199906032044.NAA06163@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: sio overflows To: dfr@nlsystems.com (Doug Rabson) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:44:49 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, armin@openBSD.de, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Doug Rabson" at Jun 2, 99 08:06:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > There was a patch (before the bus stuff went in), posted to the > > alpha list a while back, that added FASTINTR support for the > > Alpha. The SILO overflows are a result of that support not > > having been integrated. > > Are you absolutely sure about this? I have been following this list pretty > carefully over the last year and I don't recall anything of this nature. Yes, I'm positive. It was in the "SIO overflow" thread, right near the start. > > It's my understanding that since the bus stuff went into the Alpha > > before it went into the x86, the patch may still be good. > > The Alpha used the new bus stuff for ISA (and everything else) from day > one. > > > > > No, I do not have a copy of the patch that I can send you; check the > > -alpha list archives. > > I can't see anything. Can you remember the subject line? It had "SIO overflow" (I think that's the error it gives) in it. It wasn't very many lines of code, so it should be recreatable in any case. Sorry, the only names that come to mind as the author are Bruce Evans or Steve Passe. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jun 5 7:26:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 346C7151F3 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 07:26:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA65738 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 15:26:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 15:26:34 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha sgmap.c busdma_machdep.c src/sys/alpha/conf GENERIC files.alpha src/sys/alpha/include ioctl_fd.h sgmap.h bus.h chipset.h src/sys/alpha/isa isa_dma.c isa.c src/sys/alpha/pci cia.c (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org With this change, people with CIA based machines (164lx, 164sx, AS600, Miata and quite a few others) can now use their floppy drives. Just add these lines to your config file: controller fdc0 at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2 disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 The relavent changes to the other chipsets will happen as soon as possible after Usenix. Also after Usenix I hope to be able to commit an updated pcm driver which works on the alpha (well it works with my SB AWE64 card anyway). If you are unsure what chipset your machine uses, just look in /var/run/dmesg.boot and look for lines like this: cia0: <2117x Core Logic chipset> cia0: Pyxis, pass 1 cia0: extended capabilities: 1 -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 06:30:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Rabson To: cvs-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org Subject: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha sgmap.c busdma_machdep.c src/sys/alpha/conf GENERIC files.alpha src/sys/alpha/include ioctl_fd.h sgmap.h bus.h chipset.h src/sys/alpha/isa isa_dma.c isa.c src/sys/alpha/pci cia.c dfr 1999/06/05 06:30:16 PDT Modified files: sys/alpha/alpha busdma_machdep.c sys/alpha/conf GENERIC files.alpha sys/alpha/include bus.h chipset.h sys/alpha/isa isa.c sys/alpha/pci cia.c Added files: sys/alpha/alpha sgmap.c sys/alpha/include ioctl_fd.h sgmap.h sys/alpha/isa isa_dma.c Log: * Implement ISA dma (only for CIA now but more chipsets to follow). * Port the fd driver to alpha. Revision Changes Path 1.3 +57 -2 src/sys/alpha/alpha/busdma_machdep.c 1.24 +5 -1 src/sys/alpha/conf/GENERIC 1.20 +4 -1 src/sys/alpha/conf/files.alpha 1.3 +3 -3 src/sys/alpha/include/bus.h 1.9 +8 -1 src/sys/alpha/include/chipset.h 1.17 +27 -9 src/sys/alpha/isa/isa.c 1.19 +144 -1 src/sys/alpha/pci/cia.c To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jun 5 22:19:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C8514FF9 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:19:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) id XAA13413; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 23:19:28 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199906060519.XAA13413@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha sgmap.c busdma_machdep.c src/sys/alpha/conf GENERIC files.alpha src/sys/alpha/include In-Reply-To: from Doug Rabson at "Jun 5, 1999 03:26:34 pm" To: dfr@nlsystems.com (Doug Rabson) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 23:19:28 -0600 (MDT) Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson wrote... > With this change, people with CIA based machines (164lx, 164sx, AS600, > Miata and quite a few others) can now use their floppy drives. Just add > these lines to your config file: > > controller fdc0 at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2 > disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 > > The relavent changes to the other chipsets will happen as soon as possible > after Usenix. Also after Usenix I hope to be able to commit an updated pcm > driver which works on the alpha (well it works with my SB AWE64 card > anyway). Excellent! I've got a 433au, and it seems to at least probe here: (I'm not at the console, so I can't try it out) fdc0: interrupting at ISA irq 6 fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> at fdc0 drive 0 And the ATAPI stuff sees the CDROM drive as well: ata-pci0: irq 1 at device 4.0 on pci0 ata-pci0: Busmastering DMA supported ata0 at 0x01f0 irq 14 on ata-pci0 ata0: unwanted interrupt 1 status = ff acd0: CDROM drive at ata0 as master acd0: drive speed 2067KB/sec, 256KB cache acd0: supported read types: CD-R, CD-RW, CD-DA acd0: Audio: play, 255 volume levels acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray acd0: Medium: no/blank disc inside, unlocked Once the sound code gets working, I think that'll be most all of the hardware on the box. I'll have to see if I can get X running on the thing... Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jun 5 23:14: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E1B14CBE for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 23:13:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA88250; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 07:14:18 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 07:14:18 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha sgmap.c busdma_machdep.c src/sys/alpha/conf GENERIC files.alpha src/sys/alpha/include In-Reply-To: <199906060519.XAA13413@panzer.plutotech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 5 Jun 1999, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > Doug Rabson wrote... > > With this change, people with CIA based machines (164lx, 164sx, AS600, > > Miata and quite a few others) can now use their floppy drives. Just add > > these lines to your config file: > > > > controller fdc0 at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2 > > disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 > > > > The relavent changes to the other chipsets will happen as soon as possible > > after Usenix. Also after Usenix I hope to be able to commit an updated pcm > > driver which works on the alpha (well it works with my SB AWE64 card > > anyway). > > Excellent! I've got a 433au, and it seems to at least probe here: > (I'm not at the console, so I can't try it out) > > fdc0: interrupting at ISA irq 6 > fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 > fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold > fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> at fdc0 drive 0 > > And the ATAPI stuff sees the CDROM drive as well: > > ata-pci0: irq 1 at device 4.0 on pci0 > ata-pci0: Busmastering DMA supported > ata0 at 0x01f0 irq 14 on ata-pci0 > ata0: unwanted interrupt 1 status = ff > acd0: CDROM drive at ata0 as master > acd0: drive speed 2067KB/sec, 256KB cache > acd0: supported read types: CD-R, CD-RW, CD-DA > acd0: Audio: play, 255 volume levels > acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray > acd0: Medium: no/blank disc inside, unlocked > > Once the sound code gets working, I think that'll be most all of the > hardware on the box. I'll have to see if I can get X running on the > thing... I'm confident that I can get the built-in sound on the 433au working now. I have the docs for the ES1888 chip and I now understand the bizarre sequence of inbs which Linux uses to enable the chip. Our PCM driver already has support for this family of sound chips. The last missing piece should be the parallel port but that ought to be easy to port. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 6 0:29:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5EE14C9B for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 00:29:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) id BAA14233 for alpha@freebsd.org; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 01:29:53 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199906060729.BAA14233@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: messed up swap reporting To: alpha@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 01:29:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is with a build from Saturday, May 5th: ============================================================================== {subway:/usr/home/ken:37:0} pstat -s Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Type /dev/(null) -248 -358392 358144 144513% Interleaved {subway:/usr/home/ken:38:0} disklabel da1 # /dev/rda1c: type: SCSI disk: da1 label: flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 63 tracks/cylinder: 255 sectors/cylinder: 16065 cylinders: 255 sectors/unit: 4110480 rpm: 7200 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 131072 0 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 0 - 8*) b: 716800 131072 swap # (Cyl. 8*- 52*) c: 4110480 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 255*) e: 512000 847872 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 52*- 84*) f: 2750608 1359872 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 84*- 255*) ============================================================================== top also reports bogus swap numbers: last pid: 427; load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 up 0+02:24:41 01:25:49 23 processes: 3 running, 20 sleeping CPU states: 0.1% user, 0.0% nice, 0.2% system, 0.0% interrupt, 99.6% idle Mem: 10M Active, 1800K Inact, 8416K Wired, 2102K Buf, 100M Free Swap: K Total, K Used, 350M Free, 144512% Inuse And of course systat -swap output is messed up as well. Anyone have any ideas what's going on? Oh yeah, the machine in question is a 433au box. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 6 1:21:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C4E14CB0 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 01:21:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) id CAA14663; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 02:21:19 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199906060821.CAA14663@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: messed up swap reporting In-Reply-To: <199906060729.BAA14233@panzer.plutotech.com> from "Kenneth D. Merry" at "Jun 6, 1999 01:29:53 am" To: ken@plutotech.com (Kenneth D. Merry) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 02:21:19 -0600 (MDT) Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kenneth D. Merry wrote... > > This is with a build from Saturday, May 5th: > > ============================================================================== > {subway:/usr/home/ken:37:0} pstat -s > Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Type > /dev/(null) -248 -358392 358144 144513% Interleaved I forgot to mention that this is with -current, and the build is from Saturday June 5th, not May 5th. I must be in a time warp. {subway:/usr/home/ken:2:127} uname -a FreeBSD subway.plutotech.com 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #0: Sat Jun 5 23:36:29 MDT 1999 ken@subway.plutotech.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/subway alpha Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message