From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 0: 2:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22CE15291 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:02:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA31578; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:02:44 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:02:43 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Craig Burgess Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaPC post-install BOOT - how? In-Reply-To: <382E6A8D.AF266CE8@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >On Sat, 13 Nov 1999, Craig Burgess wrote: > > Well, installing onto the IDE drive ain't an option because although SRM > sees it, FreeBSD doesn't. > > Ooohhhhh this is sad: 500MHz machine w/ 256MB RAM ... When I got it (a > couple of days ago) I could boot ARC -> NT but the goal was FreeBSD... > > thanks anyway, > Eh? It most certainly does see the ata drive... I'm running a PC164 off of dqa0 right now. Maybe just the install kernel doesn't work for you? Oh- yeah- it's commented out in GENERIC because it didn't work up until a week or so agao. Well- this will change very very soon, so have patience or bug me to try and build you an install kernel with ATA on... -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 0: 4:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from laurasia.com.au (lauras.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.93.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565FD15291 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:03:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@laurasia.com.au) Received: (from mike@localhost) by laurasia.com.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA12324; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:03:49 +0800 (WST) From: Michael Kennett Message-Id: <199911140803.QAA12324@laurasia.com.au> Subject: Re: AlphaPC post-install BOOT - how? In-Reply-To: <382E6A8D.AF266CE8@home.com> from Craig Burgess at "Nov 13, 99 11:53:49 pm" To: craig-burgess@home.com (Craig Burgess) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:03:48 +0800 (WST) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Craig, > Well, installing onto the IDE drive ain't an option because although SRM > sees it, FreeBSD doesn't. > > Ooohhhhh this is sad: 500MHz machine w/ 256MB RAM ... When I got it (a > couple of days ago) I could boot ARC -> NT but the goal was FreeBSD... Is the box based on the AlphaPC 164SX Motherboard? If so, I've had better luck running Linux. I'm currently using Debian 2.1, which can boot (via MILO) from the ARC loader. Unfortunately, I have an Adaptec 2940 which SRM doesn't recognize -- but the ARC loader does. I'd love to run FreeBSD on the box, but it just isn't practical at this point in time. In my wildest dreams, I'd try to convert the bottom of FreeBSD to using the ARC PAL-code. It is way out my depth, but I think it would enable more people with Alphas to use FreeBSD. Regards, Mike Kennett (mike@laurasia.com.au) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 0: 4:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3DD415291 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:04:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA31590; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:04:55 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:04:55 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "Norton, David" Cc: "'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Reference platforms? In-Reply-To: <23C1A6C0508CD11197E70000F80299CC01CD318F@wroexc1.wro.dec.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, I'm using a PC164. I've used a Multia as well. I'm porting to the Alpha 4100 as we speak and will get to the 8200 RSN. Andrew and others have used may other platforms- I *think* he did the XP1000 (I can never keep the newer model numbers straight) and there's a wad of others that sorta work or better. Clearly the newer platforms are more desirable, but they usually involve money... On Sat, 13 Nov 1999, Norton, David wrote: > Hi all - > > Just out of curiosity, would someone be able to tell me what platforms are > being used to develop the Alpha port? Are you using an XP1000 (EV6), a DPW > (EV5/6), and/or third party platforms? I'd like to try to match up my > hardware with what seems to be the prevalent development platform. > > thanks > -dave > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 0: 6:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B8415291 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:06:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@d60-025.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.25]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA79398; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:06:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id AAA72484; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:06:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:06:38 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: "Norton, David" Cc: "'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Reference platforms? Message-ID: <19991114000638.O90421@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <23C1A6C0508CD11197E70000F80299CC01CD318F@wroexc1.wro.dec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <23C1A6C0508CD11197E70000F80299CC01CD318F@wroexc1.wro.dec.com>; from David.Norton@compaq.com on Sat, Nov 13, 1999 at 11:55:54PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Just out of curiosity, would someone be able to tell me what platforms are > being used to develop the Alpha port? Are you using an XP1000 (EV6), a DPW > (EV5/6), and/or third party platforms? I'd like to try to match up my > hardware with what seems to be the prevalent development platform. I do the compiler on a PC164SX. Peter Wemm also has this. Packages are built on a PC164LX. JDP also has this one for work on ld-so, etc. Mike Smith is *still* using a ?AXPi33? "no-name". Andrew, DFR and Mathew have many different models. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 0: 7:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (ha2.rdc1.sdca.home.com [24.0.3.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FDA15291 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:07:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from craig-burgess@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.0.178.21]) by lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991114080731.ETAL11592.lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com@home.com> for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:07:31 -0800 Message-ID: <382E6DF3.C02550@home.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:08:19 -0800 From: Craig Burgess X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaPC post-install BOOT - how? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Okay, I'll try the CD set. I've got the 3.3 set, but wanted to try the "later." Thanks for the responses craig ========================= Matthew Jacob wrote: > > >On Sat, 13 Nov 1999, Craig Burgess wrote: > > > > Well, installing onto the IDE drive ain't an option because although SRM > > sees it, FreeBSD doesn't. > > > > Ooohhhhh this is sad: 500MHz machine w/ 256MB RAM ... When I got it (a > > couple of days ago) I could boot ARC -> NT but the goal was FreeBSD... > > > > thanks anyway, > > > > Eh? It most certainly does see the ata drive... I'm running a PC164 > off of dqa0 right now. Maybe just the install kernel doesn't work for > you? Oh- yeah- it's commented out in GENERIC because it didn't work > up until a week or so agao. Well- this will change very very soon, > so have patience or bug me to try and build you an install kernel > with ATA on... > > -matt > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 0:11:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (ha2.rdc1.sdca.home.com [24.0.3.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99FB214C81 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:11:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from craig-burgess@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.0.178.21]) by lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991114081135.EUAT11592.lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com@home.com> for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:11:35 -0800 Message-ID: <382E6EE7.C4203C52@home.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:12:23 -0800 From: Craig Burgess X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaPC post-install BOOT - how? References: <199911140803.QAA12324@laurasia.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Um. I wouldn't swear to anything. The manufacturer says it's on the PC 164 -- and looks close enough to drawings in the Digital/Compaq docs I could find online. craig Michael Kennett wrote: > > Hello Craig, > > > Well, installing onto the IDE drive ain't an option because although SRM > > sees it, FreeBSD doesn't. > > > > Ooohhhhh this is sad: 500MHz machine w/ 256MB RAM ... When I got it (a > > couple of days ago) I could boot ARC -> NT but the goal was FreeBSD... > > Is the box based on the AlphaPC 164SX Motherboard? If so, I've had better > luck running Linux. I'm currently using Debian 2.1, which can boot (via > MILO) from the ARC loader. Unfortunately, I have an Adaptec 2940 which > SRM doesn't recognize -- but the ARC loader does. I'd love to run FreeBSD > on the box, but it just isn't practical at this point in time. > > > > In my wildest dreams, I'd try to convert the bottom of FreeBSD to using the > ARC PAL-code. It is way out my depth, but I think it would enable more people > with Alphas to use FreeBSD. > > > > Regards, > > Mike Kennett > (mike@laurasia.com.au) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 0:17:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mailext03.compaq.com (mailext03.compaq.com [207.18.199.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D8914C81 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:17:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david.norton@compaq.com) Received: from mailint02.im.hou.compaq.com (mailint02.compaq.com [207.18.199.35]) by mailext03.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778D4151FCC for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 02:17:46 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailint02.im.hou.compaq.com (Postfix, from userid 12345) id BA8ABBC4C6; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 02:17:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from exccup-gh01.mis.tandem.com (exccup-gh01.mis.tandem.com [130.252.226.241]) by mailint02.im.hou.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DBEB2A42 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 02:17:15 -0600 (CST) Received: by exccup-gh01.mis.tandem.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2559.0) id ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:17:45 -0800 Message-ID: <23C1A6C0508CD11197E70000F80299CC01CD3191@wroexc1.wro.dec.com> From: "Norton, David" To: "'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: Reference platforms? Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:17:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2559.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Maybe I'll pick up another system to get things started. FTP'd the floppies from the alpha tree under the 3.3 release the other day - the system boots but it doesn't quite understand the network card (thinks the link is down) and doesn't seem to see the CD, so going forward with the install is a bit tough. This is a Digital Personal Workstation 500MHz/644MB. I also have an XP1000 (the new Compaq branded EV6 box) and will try it as soon as I can get SRM loaded onto it. thanks -dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 0:19:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED2B214C81 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:19:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA31598; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:07:27 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:07:27 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Michael Kennett Cc: Craig Burgess , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaPC post-install BOOT - how? In-Reply-To: <199911140803.QAA12324@laurasia.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Michael Kennett wrote: > Hello Craig, > > > Well, installing onto the IDE drive ain't an option because although SRM > > sees it, FreeBSD doesn't. > > > > Ooohhhhh this is sad: 500MHz machine w/ 256MB RAM ... When I got it (a > > couple of days ago) I could boot ARC -> NT but the goal was FreeBSD... > > Is the box based on the AlphaPC 164SX Motherboard? If so, I've had better > luck running Linux. I'm currently using Debian 2.1, which can boot (via > MILO) from the ARC loader. Unfortunately, I have an Adaptec 2940 which > SRM doesn't recognize -- but the ARC loader does. I'd love to run FreeBSD > on the box, but it just isn't practical at this point in time. > > > > In my wildest dreams, I'd try to convert the bottom of FreeBSD to using the > ARC PAL-code. It is way out my depth, but I think it would enable more people > with Alphas to use FreeBSD. I think that some people have worked on this, and up until recently I would have said that this was unfortunately necessary. Now I see that ARC might probably go away. Yay. > > > Regards, > > Mike Kennett > (mike@laurasia.com.au) > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 0:31:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B250915331 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:31:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA31640; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:31:55 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:31:55 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Craig Burgess Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaPC post-install BOOT - how? In-Reply-To: <382E6DF3.C02550@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org No, this is with -current- it's not on a CD. On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Craig Burgess wrote: > Okay, I'll try the CD set. > > I've got the 3.3 set, but wanted to try the "later." > > Thanks for the responses > > craig > ========================= > Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > >On Sat, 13 Nov 1999, Craig Burgess wrote: > > > > > > Well, installing onto the IDE drive ain't an option because although SRM > > > sees it, FreeBSD doesn't. > > > > > > Ooohhhhh this is sad: 500MHz machine w/ 256MB RAM ... When I got it (a > > > couple of days ago) I could boot ARC -> NT but the goal was FreeBSD... > > > > > > thanks anyway, > > > > > > > Eh? It most certainly does see the ata drive... I'm running a PC164 > > off of dqa0 right now. Maybe just the install kernel doesn't work for > > you? Oh- yeah- it's commented out in GENERIC because it didn't work > > up until a week or so agao. Well- this will change very very soon, > > so have patience or bug me to try and build you an install kernel > > with ATA on... > > > > -matt > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 0:50:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C34515290 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:50:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@d60-025.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.25]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA79524; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:50:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id AAA02763; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:50:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:50:54 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Craig Burgess Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaPC post-install BOOT - how? Message-ID: <19991114005053.T90421@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <382E6DF3.C02550@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <382E6DF3.C02550@home.com>; from craig-burgess@home.com on Sun, Nov 14, 1999 at 12:08:19AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You can get a Symbios 810 based board for $39 at http://www.corpsys.com/store/prodinfo.asp?number=PCIN&variation=&aitem=6&mitem=7 that Mike Smith says will definately work with SRM. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 1: 0: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (ha2.rdc1.sdca.home.com [24.0.3.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E2415290 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:59:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from craig-burgess@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.0.178.21]) by lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991114085958.FFNL11592.lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com@home.com> for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:59:58 -0800 Message-ID: <382E7A3E.EAAD5DA8@home.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 01:00:46 -0800 From: Craig Burgess X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaPC post-install BOOT - how? References: <382E6DF3.C02550@home.com> <19991114005053.T90421@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey, I might have one of those already! It's out in the garage and I didn't consider it because of the source/price. I'll try it! If the one I've got doesn't work I can go back to Corp Sys. Center. Thanks - craig David O'Brien wrote: > > You can get a Symbios 810 based board for $39 at > that Mike Smith says will definately work with SRM. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 1:22:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B13314F2E for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 01:22:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA31747; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 01:23:02 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 01:23:01 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Craig Burgess , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaPC post-install BOOT - how? In-Reply-To: <19991114005053.T90421@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sigh. Yes. I *despise* Disk Dork Depot (corpsys), but they *are* good source for cheaper boards. You should note and be warned though that as far as I recall, Gerard's new NCR/Symbios driver which may or may not latch up in FreeBSD sooner or later does *not* support chipsets like the 810- he has some reason why not... So don't be cheap and get at least an 850.... On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, David O'Brien wrote: > You can get a Symbios 810 based board for $39 at > http://www.corpsys.com/store/prodinfo.asp?number=PCIN&variation=&aitem=6&mitem=7 > that Mike Smith says will definately work with SRM. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 7:10:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mailf.telia.com (mailf.telia.com [194.22.194.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6886A14CFF for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 07:10:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from khaled@telia.net) Received: from d1o27.telia.com (d1o27.telia.com [195.198.144.241]) by mailf.telia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00261 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:10:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from telia.net (t6o27p42.telia.com [195.198.145.102]) by d1o27.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05201 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:10:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <382EC02E.273F0615@telia.net> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:59:10 +0100 From: Khaled Daham Reply-To: khaled@telia.net Organization: Telia Network Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: working video card listings? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org bjp aka rbw wrote: > > does anyone know of a resource for finding out which video cards will work > on the alpha platform? > > i have an Alphastation 200 4/233 that i would like to run X on... the only > problem with this is that i can't find a decent video card that will work > in this thing. i have now tried 4 video cards in this box: Matrox MGA > Atlas-2 (?? RAM), ATI 3D Rage II (4? MB RAM), Number Nine Revolution 3D > (4 MB RAM), Creative Labs PCI TNT (16 MB RAM). of those 4, the only one > the alpha will use is the Matrox. it's functional, but i was hoping to > get a beefier video card to use for running X. I have succesfully used S3Trio cards , Matrox Millenium II , Matrox G200 , Fire Gl 1000 Pro. The best imho is the G200 , damn nice and fast in 1600x1200. /Khaled, Telia SwedTel Mail: khaled@telia.net Cell: 070-6785492 Work: 08-4567281 :hacker: /n./ [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 8:26:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (ha2.rdc1.sdca.home.com [24.0.3.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8D7152C5 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 08:26:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from craig-burgess@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.0.178.21]) by lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991114162607.IFQF11592.lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com@home.com>; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 08:26:07 -0800 Message-ID: <382EE2CD.7B01733@home.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 08:26:53 -0800 From: Craig Burgess X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: AlphaPC post-install BOOT WORKS!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The old, cheap, nearly discarded controller works just fine!. It boots!! Whoda thunk? Thanks for the help - craig ========================= Matthew Jacob wrote: > > Sigh. Yes. I *despise* Disk Dork Depot (corpsys), but they *are* good > source for cheaper boards. > > You should note and be warned though that as far as I recall, Gerard's new > NCR/Symbios driver which may or may not latch up in FreeBSD sooner or > later does *not* support chipsets like the 810- he has some reason why > not... So don't be cheap and get at least an 850.... > > On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, David O'Brien wrote: > > > You can get a Symbios 810 based board for $39 at > > http://www.corpsys.com/store/prodinfo.asp?number=PCIN&variation=&aitem=6&mitem=7 > > that Mike Smith says will definately work with SRM. > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 8:39:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.du.gtn.com (mail.du.gtn.com [194.77.9.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C13615302 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 08:39:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ticso@mail.cicely.de) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely.de [194.231.9.142]) by mail.du.gtn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09624; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:32:24 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by mail.cicely.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) id RAA02198; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:38:42 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:38:42 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Matthew Jacob Cc: "David O'Brien" , Craig Burgess , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaPC post-install BOOT - how? Message-ID: <19991114173842.B1737@cicely7.cicely.de> References: <19991114005053.T90421@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Nov 14, 1999 at 01:23:01AM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > Sigh. Yes. I *despise* Disk Dork Depot (corpsys), but they *are* good > source for cheaper boards. > > You should note and be warned though that as far as I recall, Gerard's new > NCR/Symbios driver which may or may not latch up in FreeBSD sooner or > later does *not* support chipsets like the 810- he has some reason why > not... So don't be cheap and get at least an 850.... > That would be bad as I have an on-board 810 and want to stay current with that host as long as I can accept waiting more than 24h for a buildworld. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 10:28: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from flashmail.com (flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A0AC214D80 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:28:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mholloway@flashmail.com) Received: from flashmail.com ([207.173.216.240]) by flashmail.com ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:28:30 -0800 From: "Mark L. Holloway" Reply-To: mholloway@flashmail.com To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:28:30 -800 Subject: 'libncurses.so.5' not found..? X-Mailer: CWMail Web to Mail Gateway 2.0n, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <382eff4e.166.0@flashmail.com> X-User-Info: 24.234.2.17 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So I got X 3.3.5 and Blackbox running on my Alpha. If I attempt to open Xterm I, X complains about.. /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Share object "libncurses.so.5" not found Any remedies for this? I appreciate the help.. Regards, Mark ______________________________________________________ Get Your FREE FlashMail Address now at http://www.flashmail.com It's Free, Easy, & Fun !!! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 11:14: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D3D14A05 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:14:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA00045; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:14:10 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:14:10 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Bernd Walter Cc: "David O'Brien" , Craig Burgess , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaPC post-install BOOT - how? In-Reply-To: <19991114173842.B1737@cicely7.cicely.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oh, I doubt we'd switch just for that reason. On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Bernd Walter wrote: > On Sun, Nov 14, 1999 at 01:23:01AM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > Sigh. Yes. I *despise* Disk Dork Depot (corpsys), but they *are* good > > source for cheaper boards. > > > > You should note and be warned though that as far as I recall, Gerard's new > > NCR/Symbios driver which may or may not latch up in FreeBSD sooner or > > later does *not* support chipsets like the 810- he has some reason why > > not... So don't be cheap and get at least an 850.... > > > > That would be bad as I have an on-board 810 and want to stay current with that > host as long as I can accept waiting more than 24h for a buildworld. > > -- > B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de > ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 11:26: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.33.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174F514A05 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:26:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA05587; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:23:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199911141923.LAA05587@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: "David O'Brien" , Craig Burgess , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaPC post-install BOOT - how? Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:23:03 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 14 Nov 1999 01:23:01 -0800 (PST) Matthew Jacob wrote: > You should note and be warned though that as far as I recall, Gerard's new > NCR/Symbios driver which may or may not latch up in FreeBSD sooner or > later does *not* support chipsets like the 810- he has some reason why > not... So don't be cheap and get at least an 850.... So FreeBSD is going to de-support the on-board SCSI on many Alpha systems? "Cool!" -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 12: 1:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from calis.blacksun.org (Calis.blacksun.org [168.100.186.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A8B14BC2 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:01:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from don@calis.blacksun.org) Received: from localhost (don@localhost) by calis.blacksun.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA73041; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:03:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from don@calis.blacksun.org) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:03:44 -0500 (EST) From: Don To: Jason Thorpe Cc: mjacob@feral.com, "David O'Brien" , Craig Burgess , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaPC post-install BOOT - how? In-Reply-To: <199911141923.LAA05587@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > You should note and be warned though that as far as I recall, Gerard's new > > NCR/Symbios driver which may or may not latch up in FreeBSD sooner or > > later does *not* support chipsets like the 810- he has some reason why > > not... So don't be cheap and get at least an 850.... > So FreeBSD is going to de-support the on-board SCSI on many Alpha systems? I hope this is a sick joke :) I rather like my on board SCSI controller and do not feel like getting another one. -don To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 12:12:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECCA14EA1 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:12:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA66094; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:12:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ken) Message-Id: <199911142012.NAA66094@panzer.kdm.org> Subject: Re: AlphaPC post-install BOOT - how? In-Reply-To: <199911141923.LAA05587@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> from Jason Thorpe at "Nov 14, 1999 11:23:03 am" To: thorpej@nas.nasa.gov (Jason Thorpe) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:12:01 -0700 (MST) Cc: mjacob@feral.com, obrien@NUXI.com (David O'Brien), craig-burgess@home.com (Craig Burgess), freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Kenneth D. Merry" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jason Thorpe wrote... > On Sun, 14 Nov 1999 01:23:01 -0800 (PST) > Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > You should note and be warned though that as far as I recall, Gerard's new > > NCR/Symbios driver which may or may not latch up in FreeBSD sooner or > > later does *not* support chipsets like the 810- he has some reason why > > not... So don't be cheap and get at least an 850.... > > So FreeBSD is going to de-support the on-board SCSI on many Alpha systems? > > "Cool!" No, FreeBSD isn't going to de-support the 810. The current ncr driver supports most every NCR 53c8xx variant. Gerard's driver only supports newer NCR chips, because of some difference in the programming interface. (I think he doesn't want to support the older boards, although you can ask him what his reasons are.) Here's a comment from the README file: * Copyright (C) 1999 Gerard Roudier * * This driver also supports the following Symbios/LSI PCI-SCSI chips: * 53C810A, 53C825A, 53C860, 53C875, 53C876, 53C885, 53C895. * * but does not support earlier chips as the following ones: * 53C810, 53C815, 53C825. In any case, my guess is that when Gerard's driver goes into the tree, we will not be getting rid of the current ncr driver. We'll either make it optional, and make the current NCR driver the default, or adjust the probe routines so that when the sym driver is present, the ncr driver will only attach to the 810, 815 and 825. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 12:23:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA53150D9 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:23:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bottemanne@capitolonline.nl) Received: from capitolonline.nl ([195.121.168.177]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA1C16; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:23:10 +0100 Message-ID: <382F1A6A.E3905DF@capitolonline.nl> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:24:10 +0100 From: Aernoudt Bottemanne X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Rabson , FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: sound support on PWS 433au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Doug, Tested the pcm0 without options, but still no sound. IS there anything on your system that perhaps causes your card to work ? I suppose you have the default SRM setting for the on-board ESS (220, irq 5 drq 1 and 5) ? Aernoudt -- / ____ ___ _______ / Aernoudt Bottemanne / __/______ ___ / _ )/ __/ _ \ / bottemanne@capitolonline.nl / _// __/ -_) -_) _ |\ \/ // / / /_/ /_/ \__/\__/____/___/____/ / Voorburg ----- The Power to Serve ----- / The Netherlands http://www.freebsd.org / / The Dutch FreeBSD User Group http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 12:44:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.du.gtn.com (mail.du.gtn.com [194.77.9.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066E8150D9 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:44:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ticso@mail.cicely.de) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely.de [194.231.9.142]) by mail.du.gtn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20808; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:37:55 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by mail.cicely.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) id VAA02813; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:44:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:44:18 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Matthew Jacob Cc: Bernd Walter , "David O'Brien" , Craig Burgess , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaPC post-install BOOT - how? Message-ID: <19991114214418.A2656@cicely7.cicely.de> References: <19991114173842.B1737@cicely7.cicely.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Nov 14, 1999 at 11:14:10AM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > Oh, I doubt we'd switch just for that reason. > I looked at Gerads sym driver in the time between and got the impression that there might be realy a good reason for not supporting some chips in this driver. If that is true it would be good to have to old ncr stripped to the unsupported and keeped where it is. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 12:57:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0960215089 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:57:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA00301; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:57:36 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:57:36 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: Jason Thorpe , "David O'Brien" , Craig Burgess , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaPC post-install BOOT - how? In-Reply-To: <199911142012.NAA66094@panzer.kdm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > In any case, my guess is that when Gerard's driver goes into the tree, we > will not be getting rid of the current ncr driver. We'll either make it > optional, and make the current NCR driver the default, or adjust the probe > routines so that when the sym driver is present, the ncr driver will only > attach to the 810, 815 and 825. Probably ought to follow Gerard's direction and have his driver called 'sym' and the older driver retains 'ncr'. What I was *meaning* when I said what I said is that with a newer and better driver for the newer cards coming down the pipe, *don't waste money* buying older boards which are going to not be as well maintained, etc. *if* you have a perfectly good IDE interface. -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 12:57:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5DCE152D0 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:57:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA00308; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:58:07 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:58:07 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Bernd Walter Cc: "David O'Brien" , Craig Burgess , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaPC post-install BOOT - how? In-Reply-To: <19991114214418.A2656@cicely7.cicely.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "what I said"... On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Bernd Walter wrote: > On Sun, Nov 14, 1999 at 11:14:10AM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > Oh, I doubt we'd switch just for that reason. > > > I looked at Gerads sym driver in the time between and got the impression that > there might be realy a good reason for not supporting some chips in this driver. > If that is true it would be good to have to old ncr stripped to the unsupported > and keeped where it is. > > -- > B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de > ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 21:38:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (overcee.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA5814CAD for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:38:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5333E1C6D; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:38:45 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: mholloway@flashmail.com Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 'libncurses.so.5' not found..? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:28:30." <382eff4e.166.0@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:38:45 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <19991115053845.5333E1C6D@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Mark L. Holloway" wrote: > So I got X 3.3.5 and Blackbox running on my Alpha. If I attempt to open Xter m > I, X complains about.. > > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Share object "libncurses.so.5" not found > > Any remedies for this? I appreciate the help.. Presumably you're running the XFree release compiled for -current on something other than a recent -current, right? > Regards, > Mark Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 22:51:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from laurasia.com.au (lauras.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.93.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7791714BDB for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 22:51:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@laurasia.com.au) Received: (from mike@localhost) by laurasia.com.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA03239 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:51:18 +0800 (WST) From: Michael Kennett Message-Id: <199911150651.OAA03239@laurasia.com.au> Subject: Alpha PC164SX firmware/booting questions To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:51:18 +0800 (WST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello All, I've been thinking for a couple of months of converting an Alpha/164SX box over to FreeBSD. I've been frightened off this for a couple of reasons: 1) Debian 2.1 is already running on the box (not well, but OK). 2) I'm not sure that the hardware is supported by the SRM console. - Adaptec 2940 SCSI controller. I've had a look at the NetBSD alpha pages (www.netbsd.org/Ports/alpha), as they seem to be the best resource around. I've also had a look at the Compaq/Digital firmware doco (ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/firmware/index.html). I'm looking for information on the hardware that is supported by the SRM firmware. Currently, the ARC (AlphaBIOS) firmware recognises the Adaptec controller, and I can boot from it. But, apparently the SRM console can't do this (can only boot from an NCR/Symbios 53c8XX, or possibly IDE -- or so I've read -- never found definitive doco on this). As yet, I've not found a digital document that gives a list of supported hardware for the SRM console. Where can I find it? Related to this question is the size of the IDE disks that are supported by SRM. I've read (on this list) that you can use an old 100Meg drive to boot, and then FreeBSD will install the drivers for the Adaptec etc... However, if I was to buy an IDE drive, it would be a `large' (several Gig) drive -- are these supported for booting (or is the Alpha architecture infected with all of the PeeCee limitations on large disks)? Regards, Mike Kennett (mike@laurasia.com.au) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 23: 3:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (ha2.rdc1.sdca.home.com [24.0.3.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BF014C15 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 23:03:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from craig-burgess@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.0.178.21]) by lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991115070348.USZJ11592.lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com@home.com>; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 23:03:48 -0800 Message-ID: <382FB088.1E14AE61@home.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 23:04:40 -0800 From: Craig Burgess X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Kennett Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha PC164SX firmware/booting questions References: <199911150651.OAA03239@laurasia.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A newbie responds: I recommend checking out the docs at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/3.2-STABLE/ where many questions will be answered. An aside: NCR\Symbios controllers do NOT include Diamond's Fireport thingie. Stay tuned for more/better/additional information from more knowledgeable sources. cheerfully, craig --------------------------------- Michael Kennett wrote: > > Hello All, > > I've been thinking for a couple of months of converting an Alpha/164SX box > over to FreeBSD. I've been frightened off this for a couple of > reasons: > > 1) Debian 2.1 is already running on the box (not well, but OK). > 2) I'm not sure that the hardware is supported by the SRM console. > - Adaptec 2940 SCSI controller. > > I've had a look at the NetBSD alpha pages (www.netbsd.org/Ports/alpha), > as they seem to be the best resource around. I've also had a look at the > Compaq/Digital firmware doco (ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/firmware/index.html). > > I'm looking for information on the hardware that is supported by the SRM > firmware. Currently, the ARC (AlphaBIOS) firmware recognises the Adaptec > controller, and I can boot from it. But, apparently the SRM console can't > do this (can only boot from an NCR/Symbios 53c8XX, or possibly IDE -- or > so I've read -- never found definitive doco on this). As yet, I've > not found a digital document that gives a list of supported hardware for > the SRM console. Where can I find it? > > Related to this question is the size of the IDE disks that are supported > by SRM. I've read (on this list) that you can use an old 100Meg drive to > boot, and then FreeBSD will install the drivers for the Adaptec etc... > However, if I was to buy an IDE drive, it would be a `large' (several Gig) > drive -- are these supported for booting (or is the Alpha architecture > infected with all of the PeeCee limitations on large disks)? > > Regards, > > Mike Kennett > (mike@laurasia.com.au) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 23:20:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gw.one.com.au (gw.one.com.au [203.18.85.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A0714FA0 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 23:20:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from raymond@one.com.au) Received: from one.com.au (pxx.local [10.18.85.1]) by gw.one.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id RAA45764 for alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 17:19:54 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from raymond@one.com.au) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 17:19:54 +1000 (EST) From: User Raymond Message-Id: <199911150719.RAA45764@gw.one.com.au> Subject: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/alpha/4.0-19991111-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > The subject line says it all - come 'n get it! > > Still no XFree86 build for this one, sorry. > > - Jordan > I got the floppy images from the above, booted up the alpha (200 4/166), worked to the point where it tried to cd 4.0-19991111-CURRENT when it said it couldn't find the directory. Any pointers as to what I'm doing wrong would be appreciated. (I'm new at this bit.) Ray Newman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 14 23:28: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240FE14BFD for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 23:27:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@d60-025.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.25]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA88857; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 23:27:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id XAA50715; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 23:27:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 23:27:56 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Michael Kennett Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha PC164SX firmware/booting questions Message-ID: <19991114232755.A90421@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199911150651.OAA03239@laurasia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <199911150651.OAA03239@laurasia.com.au>; from mike@laurasia.com.au on Mon, Nov 15, 1999 at 02:51:18PM +0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > 2) I'm not sure that the hardware is supported by the SRM console. > - Adaptec 2940 SCSI controller. This is correct. You'll have to find some other boot device than the Adaptec controler. > controller, and I can boot from it. But, apparently the SRM console can't > do this (can only boot from an NCR/Symbios 53c8XX, or possibly IDE -- or > so I've read -- never found definitive doco on this). SRM can also boot from Qlogic controlers. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 15 0:15:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F019D14C97 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 00:15:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA25654; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:18:40 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:18:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Aernoudt Bottemanne Cc: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: sound support on PWS 433au In-Reply-To: <382F1A6A.E3905DF@capitolonline.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Aernoudt Bottemanne wrote: > Hi Doug, > > > Tested the pcm0 without options, but still no sound. IS there anything > on > your system that perhaps causes your card to work ? I suppose you have > the default SRM setting for the on-board ESS (220, irq 5 drq 1 and 5) ? That's right. What model of PWS is you one (mine is a 433au which is fairly old). Perhaps Digital changed the kind of sound chip being used. Does the pcm driver attach correctly at all? You should also see a diagnostic message from es1888_verify which prints out the ESS version number. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 15 1:13:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B83314C97 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 01:13:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA62273; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:16:19 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:16:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: "Norton, David" Cc: "'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Reference platforms? In-Reply-To: <23C1A6C0508CD11197E70000F80299CC01CD318F@wroexc1.wro.dec.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 13 Nov 1999, Norton, David wrote: > Hi all - > > Just out of curiosity, would someone be able to tell me what platforms are > being used to develop the Alpha port? Are you using an XP1000 (EV6), a DPW > (EV5/6), and/or third party platforms? I'd like to try to match up my > hardware with what seems to be the prevalent development platform. I have a 164lx and a 433au. I'm planning to attempt to get hold of some kind of 2xEV6 system, possibly based on the API2000 motherboard. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 15 5:30:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750E014DA4 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 05:30:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA25236; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:30:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA16140; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:29:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:29:48 -0500 (EST) To: Michael Kennett Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha PC164SX firmware/booting questions In-Reply-To: <199911150651.OAA03239@laurasia.com.au> References: <199911150651.OAA03239@laurasia.com.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14384.2571.930654.580911@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Michael Kennett writes: > > Related to this question is the size of the IDE disks that are supported > by SRM. I've read (on this list) that you can use an old 100Meg drive to > boot, and then FreeBSD will install the drivers for the Adaptec etc... > However, if I was to buy an IDE drive, it would be a `large' (several Gig) > drive -- are these supported for booting (or is the Alpha architecture > infected with all of the PeeCee limitations on large disks)? I'm not sure about the 164sx firmware, but I can tell you that the IDE versions of the AlphaServer DS10s all ship with these 10GB IDE drives: ad0: ATA-4 disk at ata1 as master ad0: 9541MB (19541088 sectors), 19386 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ad0: 16 secs/int, 0 depth queue, UDMA33 Both the SRM & 4.0-current boot fine from those drives. Cheers, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 16 8:48:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from brain.element-5.de (brain.element-5.de [195.185.111.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35DE14A01 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:48:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pherman@element-5.de) Received: from mail.element-5.de (mail.element-5.de [195.185.111.25]) by brain.element-5.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24204 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:48:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:48:38 +0100 (CET) From: Paul Herman To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: On which alpha platforms can I run FreeBSD? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Sorry if this is in a FAQ, but I've looked around on web pages and mailing list archives and couldn't find anything. I'd like to run FreeBSD on an alpha, and need to decide which alpha to buy. From INSTALL.TXT I see that it runs on: UDB, Multia, AXPpci33, Noname EB164, PC164, PC164LX, PC164SX EB64+, Aspen Alpine, etc. AlphaStation 200, 250, 255, 400 AlphaStation 500, 600 Digital Personal Workstation 433, 500, 600 DEC3000/300 family (netboot only) DEC3000/[4-9]00 family (netboot only) ...but when I look on www.digital.com/alphaserver/, I see completely different model numbers (I assume this has to do with the digital/compaq changeover). I see models like AlphaServer 800, DS10, ES540, 4100, GS560E, 8200 AlphaStation DS10E, XP1000, "au Series" etc... How do I know which is which? Can someone help, or point me in the right direction? Thanks! Paul Herman Netzwerkadministrator -------------------------------------------------------------- _____ 5 + element 5 AG - Sachsenring 69 - 50677 Köln - Germany + / _ \ + + | <_> | + Tel: +49-221-31088-0 Fax: +49-221-31088-99 + | ___/ + Mail: pherman@element-5.de WWW: http://www.element-5.de/ + | |__/\ -------------------------------------------------------------- \ / --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 16 8:59:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4662514BC7 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:58:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA26806; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA18473; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:58:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:58:03 -0500 (EST) To: Paul Herman Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On which alpha platforms can I run FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14385.35642.166251.4819@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Paul Herman writes: > Hi, > > Sorry if this is in a FAQ, but I've looked around on web pages and mailing > list archives and couldn't find anything. I'd like to run FreeBSD on an > alpha, and need to decide which alpha to buy. From INSTALL.TXT I see that > it runs on: > > UDB, Multia, AXPpci33, Noname > EB164, PC164, PC164LX, PC164SX > EB64+, Aspen Alpine, etc. > AlphaStation 200, 250, 255, 400 > AlphaStation 500, 600 > Digital Personal Workstation 433, 500, 600 > DEC3000/300 family (netboot only) > DEC3000/[4-9]00 family (netboot only) > > > ...but when I look on www.digital.com/alphaserver/, I see completely > different model numbers (I assume this has to do with the digital/compaq > changeover). > > I see models like > AlphaServer 800, DS10, ES540, 4100, GS560E, 8200 > AlphaStation DS10E, XP1000, "au Series" It also has to do with the fact that the AlphaStations and the 3000 series are retired now & that the EBx and PCx are sold through resellers & not directly from Deq. The DS10 & XP1000 are supported in -current, but not -stable. There is work in progress for some of the other server-class platforms going on in -current right now. The "au Series" refers to the Personal Workstation 433, 500, 600. This is also known as the Miata. When the name is "Personal Workstation XXX" it is not surprising that people use shorter nicknames ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 16 9:45: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from batch3.csd.uwm.edu (batch3.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.7.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D6915358 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:44:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zlash@csd.uwm.edu) Received: from alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (zlash@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.7.202]) by batch3.csd.uwm.edu (8.8.4/8.6.8) with ESMTP id LAA17773 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:44:51 -0600 (CST) Received: (zlash@localhost) by alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (8.8.4/8.6.8) id LAA23415 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:44:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:44:51 -0600 From: Suyudi Koeswanto To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On which alpha platforms can I run FreeBSD? Message-ID: <19991116114451.A12697@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from Paul Herman on Tue, Nov 16, 1999 at 05:48:38PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 16, 1999 at 05:48:38PM +0100, Paul Herman wrote: > Hi, I'm new with Alpha, and currently are running Linux. I have AlphaServer 2100 5/250. i believe it's called sable. This is not 2100a, it's just plain 2100. I checked the docs on freebsd-axp, it's not in the supported machine list. I wonder if anybody has a success on these type of machines, or It's not possible for me to run FreeBSD in it? Thanks, u!d ------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 16 9:59:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C540615329 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:59:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA28542; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:59:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA18583; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:59:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:59:02 -0500 (EST) To: Suyudi Koeswanto Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On which alpha platforms can I run FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19991116114451.A12697@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu> References: <19991116114451.A12697@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14385.39512.396228.281976@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Suyudi Koeswanto writes: > On Tue, Nov 16, 1999 at 05:48:38PM +0100, Paul Herman wrote: > > > Hi, I'm new with Alpha, and currently are running Linux. > > I have AlphaServer 2100 5/250. i believe it's called sable. > This is not 2100a, it's just plain 2100. I checked the > docs on freebsd-axp, it's not in the supported machine list. > > I wonder if anybody has a success on these type of machines, > or It's not possible for me to run FreeBSD in it? > > > Thanks, > > u!d No, I'm sorry, the 2100s are not supported by any BSD yet. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 16 10: 3:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.33.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B554515263 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:03:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA26076; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:03:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199911161803.KAA26076@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Suyudi Koeswanto , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On which alpha platforms can I run FreeBSD? Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:03:39 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:59:02 -0500 (EST) Andrew Gallatin wrote: > No, I'm sorry, the 2100s are not supported by any BSD yet. Hopefully NetBSD will support these in about a week or two (I just have to write device attachments for the STDIO module). -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 16 10: 8:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45F715239 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:07:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA28785; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:07:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA18608; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:07:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:07:22 -0500 (EST) To: Jason Thorpe Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On which alpha platforms can I run FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <199911161803.KAA26076@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> References: <199911161803.KAA26076@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14385.40175.108703.563654@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jason Thorpe writes: > On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:59:02 -0500 (EST) > Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > No, I'm sorry, the 2100s are not supported by any BSD yet. > > Hopefully NetBSD will support these in about a week or two (I just have > to write device attachments for the STDIO module). > > -- Jason R. Thorpe Hey, that's great to hear! Cheers, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 16 11: 9:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from chuggalug.clues.com (chuggalug.clues.com [194.217.82.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C76214A2D for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:09:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from geoffb@chuggalug.clues.com) Received: (from geoffb@localhost) by chuggalug.clues.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA78053; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:10:04 GMT (envelope-from geoffb) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:10:04 +0000 From: Geoff Buckingham To: Paul Herman Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On which alpha platforms can I run FreeBSD? Message-ID: <19991116171004.A78012@chuggalug.clues.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Paul Herman on Tue, Nov 16, 1999 at 05:48:38PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 16, 1999 at 05:48:38PM +0100, Paul Herman wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry if this is in a FAQ, but I've looked around on web pages and mailing > list archives and couldn't find anything. I'd like to run FreeBSD on an > alpha, and need to decide which alpha to buy. From INSTALL.TXT I see that > it runs on: > > UDB, Multia, AXPpci33, Noname > EB164, PC164, PC164LX, PC164SX > EB64+, Aspen Alpine, etc. > AlphaStation 200, 250, 255, 400 > AlphaStation 500, 600 > Digital Personal Workstation 433, 500, 600 > DEC3000/300 family (netboot only) > DEC3000/[4-9]00 family (netboot only) > > How do I know which is which? Can someone help, or point me in the right > direction? Thanks! > The PC* family are to my knowledge made by Samsung and sold to OEMs see: http://www.compusys.co.uk/alpha/mboards.asp as an example, I am sure someone else will know more about digital/compaq products. As a multia owner, I wouldn't recomend it for running FreeBSD :-( PS, does the PC164UX or PC264DP work? -- GeoffB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 16 11:20:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from batch3.csd.uwm.edu (batch3.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.7.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854AB14E8D for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:20:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zlash@csd.uwm.edu) Received: from alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (zlash@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.169.2]) by batch3.csd.uwm.edu (8.8.4/8.6.8) with ESMTP id NAA13677 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:20:19 -0600 (CST) Received: (zlash@localhost) by alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (8.8.4/8.6.8) id NAA21468 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:20:19 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:20:19 -0600 From: Suyudi Koeswanto To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On which alpha platforms can I run FreeBSD? Message-ID: <19991116132019.A8157@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu> References: <19991116114451.A12697@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu> <14385.39512.396228.281976@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <14385.39512.396228.281976@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from Andrew Gallatin on Tue, Nov 16, 1999 at 12:59:02PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 16, 1999 at 12:59:02PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > No, I'm sorry, the 2100s are not supported by any BSD yet. > Oh well, i was hopping that someone has any luck with AS2100... My last question would be: Can i even try to load it in AS2100 or it won't be possible to do that? I just got this AS2100 and do not have anything important in it or any use of it but to play around. Thanks for the info. ------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 16 11:27:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4522A14A2D for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:27:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hiwaay.net) Received: from hiwaay.net (tnt6-216-180-5-9.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.5.9]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA10698 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:27:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3831B020.951A60EE@hiwaay.net> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:27:28 -0600 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Wow, what luck I have. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After an astounding 12 days of uptime (and I have no idea how long it was physically turned on) my Multia's internal hard drive has bitten the dust. I have removed the internal hard drive and attached another hard drive via the SCSI-II connector on the back. The problem I'm having is that the Multia doesn't really want to boot from this drive; it acts as if it is having bus time-outs. I have an external terminator on the drive, and it is connected by a 1.5 foot cable. Has anyone else experienced weird behavior by this system? Has anyone had any luck installing a bigger internal hard drive? PS: Cooling was not an issue. The basement is about ~70 degrees F day in and day out, and I've supplemented the Multia's single (thermostatically controlled) fan with another, regular fan. -- Kris Kirby | ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 16 11:50:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6561527C for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:50:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA12579; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:53:22 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:53:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Geoff Buckingham Cc: Paul Herman , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On which alpha platforms can I run FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19991116171004.A78012@chuggalug.clues.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Geoff Buckingham wrote: > On Tue, Nov 16, 1999 at 05:48:38PM +0100, Paul Herman wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Sorry if this is in a FAQ, but I've looked around on web pages and mailing > > list archives and couldn't find anything. I'd like to run FreeBSD on an > > alpha, and need to decide which alpha to buy. From INSTALL.TXT I see that > > it runs on: > > > > UDB, Multia, AXPpci33, Noname > > EB164, PC164, PC164LX, PC164SX > > EB64+, Aspen Alpine, etc. > > AlphaStation 200, 250, 255, 400 > > AlphaStation 500, 600 > > Digital Personal Workstation 433, 500, 600 > > DEC3000/300 family (netboot only) > > DEC3000/[4-9]00 family (netboot only) > > > > How do I know which is which? Can someone help, or point me in the right > > direction? Thanks! > > > > The PC* family are to my knowledge made by Samsung and sold to OEMs see: > > http://www.compusys.co.uk/alpha/mboards.asp > > as an example, I am sure someone else will know more about digital/compaq > products. > > As a multia owner, I wouldn't recomend it for running FreeBSD :-( > > PS, does the PC164UX or PC264DP work? The PC164UX isn't support since there isn't any SRM firmware for it (AFAIK). The PC264DP looks like it will be similar to an xp1000. Depending on the system type reported by its firmware, it might work already. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 16 18:31:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from cs.rice.edu (cs.rice.edu [128.42.1.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3493914E13 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:31:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jnavarro@cs.rice.edu) Received: from cs.rice.edu (cs.rice.edu [128.42.1.30]) by cs.rice.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA07464; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:31:48 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <38321394.91E3E8A7@cs.rice.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:31:48 -0600 From: "Juan E. Navarro" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Steve Sizemore , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't make -current world or kernel on 21264 References: <19991102152703.C93980@cmpharm.ucsf.edu> <14367.36489.891040.341959@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <382072E6.F1860BD4@cs.rice.edu> <14368.47749.129492.944260@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Andrew. My XP1000 went nonfunctional, but now that it's up after a surgery I tried again. I reinstalled using the 19991111 floppies. The instalation went fine, but I still cannot boot. >>>boot dka0 (boot dka0.0.0.6.1 -flags a) block 0 of dka0.0.0.6.1 is a valid boot block reading 15 blocks from dka0.0.0.6.1 bootstrap code read in base = 19e000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 1e00 initializing HWRPB at 2000 initializing page table at 1fff0000 initializing machine state setting affinity to the primary CPU jumping to bootstrap code Loadig /boot/loader I/O request to dka0.0.0.6.1 is invalid (check type, offset, and size) Can't open file /boot/loader halted CPU 0 halt code = 5 HALT instruction executed PC = 20000038 boot failure >>> Thanks. ++*Juan-- Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > I just fixed a problem which has been present for about 3 weeks or so > (ever since the rev 1.122 of sys/pci/pci.c on Oct 14) that prevented > multi-hose alphas (currently xp1000s and ds20s) from attaching devices > on their second hoses. (like the Qlogic SCSI controller). > > This may have had something to do w/your problems. It certainly would > not have caused the illegal instruction problem, but it may fit your > vague descriptions of boot problems. Neither of your problem > descriptions were overflowing with details, so it is hard to tell. > I'd suggest cvsupping tonight & seeing if your boot problems are solved. > > Sorry I didn't catch this earlier. I've been updating all my kernel > but pci.c to avoid having to touch some local drivers.. > > Cheers, > > Drew > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin > Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu > Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 17 5:40:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AEDD14A1B for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 05:40:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA18076; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA21992; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:40:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:40:11 -0500 (EST) To: "Juan E. Navarro" Cc: Steve Sizemore , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't make -current world or kernel on 21264 In-Reply-To: <38321394.91E3E8A7@cs.rice.edu> References: <19991102152703.C93980@cmpharm.ucsf.edu> <14367.36489.891040.341959@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <382072E6.F1860BD4@cs.rice.edu> <14368.47749.129492.944260@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <38321394.91E3E8A7@cs.rice.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14386.44695.295211.502782@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Juan E. Navarro writes: > Hi, Andrew. My XP1000 went nonfunctional, but now that it's up after a > surgery I tried again. I reinstalled using the 19991111 floppies. The > instalation went fine, but I still cannot boot. > > >>>boot dka0 > (boot dka0.0.0.6.1 -flags a) > block 0 of dka0.0.0.6.1 is a valid boot block > reading 15 blocks from dka0.0.0.6.1 > bootstrap code read in > base = 19e000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 1e00 > initializing HWRPB at 2000 > initializing page table at 1fff0000 > initializing machine state > setting affinity to the primary CPU > jumping to bootstrap code > Loadig /boot/loader > I/O request to dka0.0.0.6.1 is invalid (check type, offset, and size) > Can't open file /boot/loader > > halted CPU 0 > > halt code = 5 > HALT instruction executed > PC = 20000038 > boot failure > >>> You did install to dka0, right? And you do not have a DOS fdisk label on the disk, right? Eg, you need to use the entire disk. Not a slice. Do you didn't use a slice, right? If yes to both, then it appears the installation installed a broken loader. Since the loader has always worked for me since its inception, my first guess would be that the installation installed an i386 world. Try booting from the floppy. Do NOT load the mfsroot, just hit return. Then let the kernel boot. It should look for your root device & mount it. If this works, try mounting the kern.flp floppy & copy the floppy's boot/loader to /boot/loader. I have NEVER installed FreeBSD/alpha via a floppy / sysinstall method (and havn't installed i386 like that in 2+ years). So if anybody has done this recently & can help this guy, PLEASE chime in. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 17 6:30:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from brain.element-5.de (brain.element-5.de [195.185.111.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5EF14CF1 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:30:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pherman@element-5.de) Received: from mail.element-5.de (mail.element-5.de [195.185.111.25]) by brain.element-5.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09899; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:30:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:30:21 +0100 (CET) From: Paul Herman To: Geoff Buckingham Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On which alpha platforms can I run FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19991116171004.A78012@chuggalug.clues.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Geoff Buckingham wrote: > On Tue, Nov 16, 1999 at 05:48:38PM +0100, Paul Herman wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Sorry if this is in a FAQ, but I've looked around on web pages and mailing > > list archives and couldn't find anything. I'd like to run FreeBSD on an > > alpha, and need to decide which alpha to buy. From INSTALL.TXT I see that > > [...snip!...] > > How do I know which is which? Can someone help, or point me in the right > > direction? Thanks! > > > > The PC* family are to my knowledge made by Samsung and sold to OEMs see: > > http://www.compusys.co.uk/alpha/mboards.asp > > as an example, I am sure someone else will know more about digital/compaq > products. > > As a multia owner, I wouldn't recomend it for running FreeBSD :-( Thanks for the tips! That helped a lot. I have the feeling that with the right system, FreeBSD-alpha can be pretty stable -- at least it seems that some people are content with their systems... Does anyone have any alpha recommendations for a 3.3-stable (apache/mysqld) server? -- stability is important. Thanks! Paul Herman Netzwerkadministrator -------------------------------------------------------------- _____ 5 + element 5 AG - Sachsenring 69 - 50677 Köln - Germany + / _ \ + + | <_> | + Tel: +49-221-31088-0 Fax: +49-221-31088-99 + | ___/ + Mail: pherman@element-5.de WWW: http://www.element-5.de/ + | |__/\ -------------------------------------------------------------- \ / --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 17 16: 1:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from cs.rice.edu (cs.rice.edu [128.42.1.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A01415060 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:01:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jnavarro@cs.rice.edu) Received: from cs.rice.edu (cs.rice.edu [128.42.1.30]) by cs.rice.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA03296; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:01:35 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <383341DF.7E3E455A@cs.rice.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:01:35 -0600 From: "Juan E. Navarro" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Steve Sizemore , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't make -current world or kernel on 21264 References: <19991102152703.C93980@cmpharm.ucsf.edu> <14367.36489.891040.341959@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <382072E6.F1860BD4@cs.rice.edu> <14368.47749.129492.944260@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <38321394.91E3E8A7@cs.rice.edu> <14386.44695.295211.502782@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Juan E. Navarro writes: > > Hi, Andrew. My XP1000 went nonfunctional, but now that it's up after a > > surgery I tried again. I reinstalled using the 19991111 floppies. The > > instalation went fine, but I still cannot boot. > > > > >>>boot dka0 > > (boot dka0.0.0.6.1 -flags a) > > block 0 of dka0.0.0.6.1 is a valid boot block > > reading 15 blocks from dka0.0.0.6.1 > > bootstrap code read in > > base = 19e000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 1e00 > > initializing HWRPB at 2000 > > initializing page table at 1fff0000 > > initializing machine state > > setting affinity to the primary CPU > > jumping to bootstrap code > > Loadig /boot/loader > > I/O request to dka0.0.0.6.1 is invalid (check type, offset, and size) > > Can't open file /boot/loader > > > > halted CPU 0 > > > > halt code = 5 > > HALT instruction executed > > PC = 20000038 > > boot failure > > >>> > > You did install to dka0, right? Right. > And you do not have a DOS fdisk label on the disk, right? Eg, you > need to use the entire disk. Not a slice. Do you didn't use a slice, > right? Right. > If yes to both, then it appears the installation installed a broken > loader. Since the loader has always worked for me since its > inception, my first guess would be that the installation installed an > i386 world. > > Try booting from the floppy. Do NOT load the mfsroot, just hit > return. Then let the kernel boot. It should look for your root > device & mount it. If this works, try mounting the kern.flp floppy & > copy the floppy's boot/loader to /boot/loader. I tried it with no success. In fact, the boot/loader in the disk was identical to the one in the floppy. The problem seems to be rather in the first stage bootstrap program, which does not recognize the disk and, hence, cannot find /boot/loader. When I boot from the floppy, an lsdev at the boot prompt shows only: disk @ 0x2001d340 disk0: SRM drive DVA 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 The weird thing is that the kernel does recognize the disk. -- ++*Juan-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 19 11:37:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E1A15598 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:37:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id UAA03304 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:15:56 +0100 (MET) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA55709 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:07:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199911191907.UAA55709@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: repeatable panic on fairly recent -current To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-alpha mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:05:55 +0100 (CET) X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm experiencing panics during the mount of root on a fairly recent -current (of last weekend or so). An older kernel works fine (see #2 below). The interesting thing is that it appears to be related to the IBM drive that is now the root disk. I've tried some obvious things like increasing the SCSI settle delay but no luck. Using an older Barracuda disk the same kernel appears to work.. I'm a bit stumped and appreciate suggestions, Wilko -- the panicy kernel -- FreeBSD/alpha SRM disk boot, Revision 0.1 (root@alpine.iaf.nl, Fri Nov 19 13:02:22 CET 1999) Memory: 131072 k \ Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. Booting [kernel]... /kernel data=0x21b460+0x24398 syms=[0x8+0x30480+0x8+0x22cc7] Entering kernel at 0xfffffc0000324f20... Copyright (c) 1992-1999 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #1: Fri Nov 19 19:39:53 CET 1999 root@alpine.iaf.nl:/usr/src/sys/compile/ALPINE EB64+ Alpha 21064A Evaluation Board 274 MHz, 274MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. CPU: EV45 (21064A) major=6 minor=2 OSF PAL rev: 0x100070002012d real memory = 132136960 (129040K bytes) avail memory = 123092992 (120208K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xfffffc0000596000. pci0: on pcib0 ncr0: irq 7 at device 5.0 on pci0 ncr0: interrupting at APECS irq 7 isp0: irq 0 at device 6.0 on pci0 isp0: interrupting at APECS irq 0 isp0: Ultra Mode Capable vga-pci0: irq 1 at device 7.0 on pci0 isab0: at device 8.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 de0: irq 6 at device 9.0 on pci0 de0: interrupting at APECS irq 6 de0: DEC DE500-AA 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.0 de0: address 00:00:f8:06:07:f5 de0: enabling 100baseTX port mcclock0: at port 0x70-0x71 on isa0 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A, console sio0: interrupting at ISA irq 4 sio1: reserved for low-level i/o atkbdc0: at port 0x60-0x6f on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 atkbd0: interrupting at ISA irq 1 vga0: at port 0x3b0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> struct nfssvc_sock bloated (> 256bytes) Try reducing NFS_UIDHASHSIZ struct nfsuid bloated (> 128bytes) Try unionizing the nu_nickname and nu_flag fields Timecounter "alpha" frequency 275008452 Hz Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle isp0: driver initiated bus reset of bus 0 Creating DISK da0 Creating DISK cd0 Mounting rda0 at isp0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device fatal kernel trap: trap entry = 0x3 (instruction fault) a0 = 0x2 a1 = 0xfffffc00004f47a0 a2 = 0x0 pc = 0xfffffc00004ca0d4 ra = 0xfffffc0000326e28 curproc = 0xfffffc000053a640 pid = 0, comm = swapper Stopped at Ldotrap+0x8: br zero,Lret_result ------ #2 / relevant part: Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle isp0: driver initiated bus reset of bus 0 Creating DISK da0 Creating DISK cd0 da0 at isp0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 4357MB (8925000 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 555C) cd0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd0: 4.237MB/s transfers (4.237MHz, offset 8) cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present swapon: adding /dev/da0b as swap device Automatic reboot in progress... Which works fine. etc. Wilko -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 20 11: 7:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F36150B4; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:07:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id TAA21107; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:54:27 +0100 (MET) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA87096; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:42:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199911201842.TAA87096@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: strange panic on Alpha, SCSI disk *type* related To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org (FreeBSD SCSI hackers), freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-alpha mailing list) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:42:36 +0100 (CET) X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ this refers to the same thing I reported yesterday to -hackers, but with added info gathered from some additional experiments ] Please note that an older kernel of Oct 14 works just fine. >>>>> the IBM disk attached to the isp card: bpf: lo0 attached Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle ncr0: restart (scsi reset). isp0: driver initiated bus reset of bus 0 (probe4:ncr0:0:4:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 (probe4:ncr0:0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 (probe4:ncr0:0:4:0): Invalid field in CDB sks:c8,1 isp0: 0.0 get user period 0xc offset 0x8 flags 0xfd00 isp0: 0.0 get current period 0x19 offset 0x0 flags 0xc500 isp0: 0.0 set current period 0xc offset 0x8 flags 0xfd00 Creating DISK da1 Creating DISK da0 Creating DISK cd0 pass0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 pass0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device pass0: Serial Number 01094845 pass0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8), Tagged Queueing Enabled pass1 at ncr0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0 pass1: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device pass1: 4.237MB/s transfers (4.237MHz, offset 8) pass2 at isp0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 pass2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device pass2: Serial Number QDJZ5749 isp0: 0.0 get current period 0x0 offset 0x8 flags 0xfd00 fatal kernel trap: trap entry = 0x3 (instruction fault) a0 = 0x2 a1 = 0x0 a2 = 0x2580 pc = 0xfffffc00004cad14 ra = 0xfffffc0000326f28 curproc = 0 Stopped at Ldotrap+0x8: br zero,Lret_result db> ~ >>>>> the IBM disk now moved to the embedded ncr810 of the Alpine Alpha board: Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle ncr0: restart (scsi reset). isp0: driver initiated bus reset of bus 0 (probe4:ncr0:0:4:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 1 80 0 ff 0 (probe4:ncr0:0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 (probe4:ncr0:0:4:0): Invalid field in CDB sks:c8,1 Creating DISK da0 Creating DISK cd0 pass0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 pass0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device pass0: Serial Number QDJZ5749 pass0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8), Tagged Queueing Enabled pass1 at ncr0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0 pass1: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device pass1: 4.237MB/s transfers (4.237MHz, offset 8) Mda0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: Serial Number QDJZ5749 da0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 4357MB (8925000 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 555C) (cd0:ncr0:0:4:0): READ CD RECORDED CAPACITY. CDB: 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (cd0:ncr0:0:4:0): NOT READY asc:3a,0 (cd0:ncr0:0:4:0): Medium not present cd0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd0: 4.237MB/s transfers (4.237MHz, offset 8) cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present ounting root from ufs:/dev/da0a da0: invalid primary partition table: no magic start_init: trying /sbin/init swapon: adding /dev/da0b as swap device and runs OK using the same kernel. Best guess is currently that something in the isp driver changed that made the marriage of the IBM disk and the isp card a less than happy one. Info on isp/ncr hardware: pci0: on pcib0 ncr0: irq 7 at device 5.0 on pci0 ncr0: minsync=25, maxsync=206, maxoffs=8, 16 dwords burst, normal dma fifo ncr0: single-ended, open drain IRQ driver ncr0: interrupting at APECS irq 7 Qlogic ISP Driver, FreeBSD Version 4.0, Core Version 1.10 isp0: irq 0 at device 6.0 on pci0 isp0: using I/O space register mapping isp0: interrupting at APECS irq 0 isp0: Ultra Mode Capable isp0: Board Revision 1040B, resident F/W Revision 2.10.0 isp0: Last F/W revision was 2.10.0 isp0: 412 max I/O commands supported Wilko -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 20 11:22:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0D015030; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:22:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA07920; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:22:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA34451; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:21:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:21:37 -0500 (EST) To: Wilko Bulte Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD SCSI hackers), freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD-alpha mailing list) Subject: Re: strange panic on Alpha, SCSI disk *type* related In-Reply-To: <199911201842.TAA87096@yedi.iaf.nl> References: <199911201842.TAA87096@yedi.iaf.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14390.62100.488036.94592@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte writes: > > Best guess is currently that something in the isp driver changed that made > the marriage of the IBM disk and the isp card a less than happy one. > <...> > isp0: Board Revision 1040B, resident F/W Revision 2.10.0 <..> The isp change is that due to problems with the Qlogic firmware copyright, Matt felt he had to remove the Qlogic firmware from the FreeBSD (and NetBSD) trees. Your card is now running with the firmware that is loaded by the SRM console (2.10) rather than the firmware that the isp driver was previously able to download (7.x). This may be the cause of your problems. If it is possible, try to upgrade your SRM console firmware to a more recent version. Modern revs of the srm console tend to load 5.x of the qlogic firmware which might help you. I'm running with 5.54.1 on a number of machines here & have not seen problems. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 20 11:28: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A6D15030; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:27:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA22903; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:28:09 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:28:09 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Andrew Gallatin , FreeBSD SCSI hackers , FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: strange panic on Alpha, SCSI disk *type* related In-Reply-To: <14390.62100.488036.94592@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The Qlogic copyright issues have been resolved and the f/w is about ready to go back into the tree, but I tend to agree with Drew here that you should upgrade your SRM. When the f/w does go back into the tree, it's probable that it *won't* be enabled to be compiled in by default (because the driver supports multiple cards with multiple f/w sets, the f/w was beggining to add 100KB to the driver.... completely outta hand...). -matt On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Wilko Bulte writes: > > > > Best guess is currently that something in the isp driver changed that made > > the marriage of the IBM disk and the isp card a less than happy one. > > > > <...> > > > isp0: Board Revision 1040B, resident F/W Revision 2.10.0 > > <..> > > The isp change is that due to problems with the Qlogic firmware > copyright, Matt felt he had to remove the Qlogic firmware from the > FreeBSD (and NetBSD) trees. Your card is now running with the > firmware that is loaded by the SRM console (2.10) rather than the > firmware that the isp driver was previously able to download (7.x). > This may be the cause of your problems. > > If it is possible, try to upgrade your SRM console firmware to a more > recent version. Modern revs of the srm console tend to load 5.x of > the qlogic firmware which might help you. I'm running with 5.54.1 on > a number of machines here & have not seen problems. > > Drew > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin > Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu > Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 20 11:48:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F04C14C1F; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:48:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA22971; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:49:00 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:49:00 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Wilko Bulte Cc: FreeBSD SCSI hackers , FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: strange panic on Alpha, SCSI disk *type* related In-Reply-To: <199911201842.TAA87096@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Reading things out of order... > pass2 at isp0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 > pass2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device > pass2: Serial Number QDJZ5749 > isp0: 0.0 get current period 0x0 offset 0x8 flags 0xfd00 > > fatal kernel trap: > > trap entry = 0x3 (instruction fault) > a0 = 0x2 > a1 = 0x0 > a2 = 0x2580 > pc = 0xfffffc00004cad14 > ra = 0xfffffc0000326f28 > curproc = 0 > > Stopped at Ldotrap+0x8: br zero,Lret_result What's this trap correspond to? Shouldn't happen... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 20 14:37:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F0114D92; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:37:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id XAA28716; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 23:18:50 +0100 (MET) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16183; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 23:06:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199911202206.XAA16183@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: strange panic on Alpha, SCSI disk *type* related In-Reply-To: from Matthew Jacob at "Nov 20, 1999 11:28: 9 am" To: mjacob@feral.com Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 23:06:30 +0100 (CET) Cc: gallatin@cs.duke.edu, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Matthew Jacob wrote ... > > The Qlogic copyright issues have been resolved and the f/w is about ready > to go back into the tree, but I tend to agree with Drew here that you > should upgrade your SRM. When the f/w does go back into the tree, it's > probable that it *won't* be enabled to be compiled in by default (because I have an excellent case that (copyrights aside) this should be possible (putting the f/w in the driver): my machine is an Aspen Alpine, which has EB64+ firmware running. It runs the latest SRM available (which is ancient) and to add to the problem it has the SRM in EPROM, not in flash. > the driver supports multiple cards with multiple f/w sets, the f/w was > beggining to add 100KB to the driver.... completely outta hand...). Big, I agree. But I rather have a bigger kernel than a panic :-( Wilko > On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > Wilko Bulte writes: > > > > > > Best guess is currently that something in the isp driver changed that made > > > the marriage of the IBM disk and the isp card a less than happy one. > > > > > > > <...> > > > > > isp0: Board Revision 1040B, resident F/W Revision 2.10.0 > > > > <..> > > > > The isp change is that due to problems with the Qlogic firmware > > copyright, Matt felt he had to remove the Qlogic firmware from the > > FreeBSD (and NetBSD) trees. Your card is now running with the > > firmware that is loaded by the SRM console (2.10) rather than the > > firmware that the isp driver was previously able to download (7.x). > > This may be the cause of your problems. > > > > If it is possible, try to upgrade your SRM console firmware to a more No go, see above. > > recent version. Modern revs of the srm console tend to load 5.x of > > the qlogic firmware which might help you. I'm running with 5.54.1 on > > a number of machines here & have not seen problems. Isn't it possible to flash the f/w onto the isp card itself? Or does the Alpha always use the f/w contained in the SRM? The same cards also run in a PC, so without the notion of SRM... Wilko -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 20 14:46:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31A914C49; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:46:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA23421; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:46:47 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:46:47 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Wilko Bulte Cc: gallatin@cs.duke.edu, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: strange panic on Alpha, SCSI disk *type* related In-Reply-To: <199911202206.XAA16183@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > The Qlogic copyright issues have been resolved and the f/w is about ready > > to go back into the tree, but I tend to agree with Drew here that you > > should upgrade your SRM. When the f/w does go back into the tree, it's > > probable that it *won't* be enabled to be compiled in by default (because > > I have an excellent case that (copyrights aside) this should be possible > (putting the f/w in the driver): > > my machine is an Aspen Alpine, which has EB64+ firmware running. It runs > the latest SRM available (which is ancient) and to add to the problem it > has the SRM in EPROM, not in flash. Tsk. > > > the driver supports multiple cards with multiple f/w sets, the f/w was > > beggining to add 100KB to the driver.... completely outta hand...). > > Big, I agree. But I rather have a bigger kernel than a panic :-( We're talking 192KB big. >... > > > recent version. Modern revs of the srm console tend to load 5.x of > > > the qlogic firmware which might help you. I'm running with 5.54.1 on > > > a number of machines here & have not seen problems. > > Isn't it possible to flash the f/w onto the isp card itself? Or does the > Alpha always use the f/w contained in the SRM? The same cards also run > in a PC, so without the notion of SRM... It's not quite clear what the SRM does or does not do. It may or may not download from the card. Likely not. It also probably depends on the SRM version and the platform. Insofar as updating the cards themselves- this is a pretty much undocumented procedure that I would rather not become responsible for. There are tools available from the Qlogic website which allow you to do this (on a PC executing from DOS), but it's not really clear whether the SRM will pull this out of the BIOS flashrom and then download it to the SRAM on the card and set that running- I believe that SRM just downloads the code *it* has. It's possible that there's a lot of steps that could be undertaken for trying to figure out how to update/extract from the card itself all of this stuff. It's a bit of an edge case where things just plain don't work, though. The reason the f/w will be going back in the tree is to provide a *selection* of features such as Fabric or Target Mode support. The INSTALL kernel should not have any of this compiled in because it makes things probably too big to fit on floppies. Well, it's there for Alpha because there are so few other boards supported that there is room for it. Hell, maybe it's even there for i386- I haven't checked. I do know that Theo of OpenBSD has requested this be able to be turned off so he can fit the Sparc install kernel onto a floppy. It's a hard problem to get right solution for, sorry. -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message