From owner-freebsd-cluster Sun Dec 5 3:57:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683CF14C3E for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 03:57:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07873; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:54:38 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id MAA01566; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:54:37 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:54:37 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Homepage, take two. Message-ID: <19991205125437.J76366@bitbox.follo.net> References: <19991201223902.E89541@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <19991201223902.E89541@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from asmodai@wxs.nl on Wed, Dec 01, 1999 at 10:39:02PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Dec 01, 1999 at 10:39:02PM +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > Hi you cluster fans. ;) > > I added some more stuff to the homepage for the cluster project at > http://lucifer.bart.nl/~asmodai/projects/Hydra and I welcome feedback. > I still have an 100 odd URL's to review which Eivind dumped on me, so > expect to see the references page being extended slowly and steadily. As I said on IRC: We should probably have descriptions for each URL. I believe one URL with a description will probably have larger impact than 10 URLs without descriptions. > Does anyone know of an online dictionary like the OED or some other > English dictionary in which I can look up some definitions of words? Try the 'dict' port. > Also, suggestions about the goals are also welcome so that we can > clearly define what falls within and outside the scope of the project at > hands. We can also hint at making the things which fall outside the > scope interesting to-do projects for others. =) > > I already added two goals which need some review. I'm taking the freedom of quoting them here: * To design a clear, consistent and good clustering system or foundation to make such a system possible on the three BSD's present. I think this is too 'wishy-washy'. It has very little punch. I'll give a rephrase below. * To provide a working set of patches (or an entire source tree), which can be applied to certain versions of the BSD code bases released or in development, to create a working cluster node. ... and I think this isn't a goal as a such, it is just something we will do. Rephrase of the first listed goal above, with extensions: 1. Turn BSD into a 'hot' clustering environment. This is our primary goal. In order to make this happen, we will need to set a number of other goals, and reach for those. Below are suggestions for subgoals, which again will need to be refined to actually reach tasks to do. 1. Create a focus for BSD clustering discussion 2. Make it easy to set up BSD based clusters. 3. Make it common to set up BSD based clusters. 4. Make it natural to think of BSD when you want to set up a cluster. 5. Make it natural to think of BSD when you want to do research on clusters. 6. Make clusters a natural part of the 'toolchest' for BSD users. 7. Make clusters a part of the focus of the BSD developers. I'll get back to more refined tasks shortly. > Furthermore, what do we need to talk over and agree upon before we can > unleash the hordes unto the project? Eivind and me agreed that we need > to have a least a decent foundation which cannot be argued about (except > by very cluefull people) so that we can skip the long-winded discussion > part and go straight on to the more interesting parts. We need to have enough text that people 1) Understand what clusters are 2) Understand what high availability is (at least to a degree) 3) Understand why they would want clusters 4) Understand where there are 'leverage points' where they can contribute to make a maximal difference 5) Understand why the route chosen forward (which we need to choose, at least to a degree) has been chosen Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Sun Dec 5 4:35:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E6A152B7; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 04:35:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.197.154]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA1DAC; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:34:30 +0100 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA38471; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:34:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:34:21 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Eivind Eklund Cc: cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Homepage, take two. Message-ID: <19991205133421.G2126@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <19991201223902.E89541@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <19991205125437.J76366@bitbox.follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <19991205125437.J76366@bitbox.follo.net>; from eivind@FreeBSD.ORG on Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 12:54:37PM +0100 Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [19991205 13:00], Eivind Eklund (eivind@FreeBSD.ORG) wrote: >On Wed, Dec 01, 1999 at 10:39:02PM +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: [snip refs page] >As I said on IRC: We should probably have descriptions for each URL. >I believe one URL with a description will probably have larger impact >than 10 URLs without descriptions. Already added some, plus some new links with descriptions. I am getting there, albeit slowly, but steadily. =) >> I already added two goals which need some review. > >I'm taking the freedom of quoting them here: My webpages are BSDL'd. ;) >* To design a clear, consistent and good clustering system or > foundation to make such a system possible on the three BSD's > present. > >I think this is too 'wishy-washy'. It has very little punch. I'll >give a rephrase below. Like I said, they needed review. I wrote them in less than one minute. >* To provide a working set of patches (or an entire source tree), > which can be applied to certain versions of the BSD code bases > released or in development, to create a working cluster node. > >... and I think this isn't a goal as a such, it is just something we >will do. *nod* An action or result flowing from an idea/goal. >Rephrase of the first listed goal above, with extensions: >1. Turn BSD into a 'hot' clustering environment. > > This is our primary goal. In order to make this happen, we will > need to set a number of other goals, and reach for those. Below > are suggestions for subgoals, which again will need to be refined > to actually reach tasks to do. > >1. Create a focus for BSD clustering discussion cluster@freebsd.org list will be the focus of that discussion I gather? >2. Make it easy to set up BSD based clusters. > >3. Make it common to set up BSD based clusters. > >4. Make it natural to think of BSD when you want to set up a cluster. > >5. Make it natural to think of BSD when you want to do research on > clusters. > >6. Make clusters a natural part of the 'toolchest' for BSD users. > >7. Make clusters a part of the focus of the BSD developers. Some things come to mind, I agree on the main, overall goal and with the (now) 7 goals emerging from that main goal to prepare the task at hand into sizeable chunks to realise. >I'll get back to more refined tasks shortly. Please do. I stress that documentation should be a goal in itself. Or at least a subgoal of the above goals. [snip] >We need to have enough text that people >1) Understand what clusters are >2) Understand what high availability is (at least to a degree) >3) Understand why they would want clusters >4) Understand where there are 'leverage points' where they can > contribute to make a maximal difference >5) Understand why the route chosen forward (which we need to choose, > at least to a degree) has been chosen I think I can manage some initial text on 1 and 2, drawing from the texts already online. Other people's opinions/ideas? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|bart.nl] Documentation nutter. *BSD: Technical excellence at its best... The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Without you, I am nothing... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Tue Dec 7 12:48:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DACE14D49 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:48:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28629; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:48:10 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id VAA17380; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:48:09 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:48:09 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Homepage, take two. Message-ID: <19991207214809.I14851@bitbox.follo.net> References: <19991201223902.E89541@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <19991205125437.J76366@bitbox.follo.net> <19991205133421.G2126@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <19991205133421.G2126@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from asmodai@wxs.nl on Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 01:34:21PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 01:34:21PM +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > -On [19991205 13:00], Eivind Eklund (eivind@FreeBSD.ORG) wrote: > >On Wed, Dec 01, 1999 at 10:39:02PM +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > >Rephrase of the first listed goal above, with extensions: > >1. Turn BSD into a 'hot' clustering environment. > > > > This is our primary goal. In order to make this happen, we will > > need to set a number of other goals, and reach for those. Below > > are suggestions for subgoals, which again will need to be refined > > to actually reach tasks to do. > > > >1. Create a focus for BSD clustering discussion > > cluster@freebsd.org list will be the focus of that discussion I gather? This is one part of what we do for focusing. Another part is documentation, and a place to start when trying to sort out BSD clusters. > >2. Make it easy to set up BSD based clusters. 2.1 Documentation 2.1.1 A guide to seeing what you need from a cluster, and choosing available technology. 2.1.2 Guides for setting up each of the common cluster forms for BSD 2.2 Code 2.2.1 Pre-made ports for any relevant cluster packages 2.2.2 Writing any necessary tools that do not already exist 2.2.3 Integrate enabling technology into the BSD codebases 2.2.4 Integration of clustering in the BSD codebases, including a 'native' clustering system for BSD > >3. Make it common to set up BSD based clusters. This is a marketing goal, and depends on a combination of being close to goal 2 and doing hype. Until we've made it reasonably easy (either through docs or code) to set up clusters, I don't think there is any point in pursuing this goal in any other way. > >4. Make it natural to think of BSD when you want to set up a cluster. This mixes closely with goal number 3, but also requires that we have complete clustering solutions - ones that cover most of what people need. > >5. Make it natural to think of BSD when you want to do research on > > clusters. This meshes with goal 4, but further requires that it is easy to hook into those parts of the system where it would be natural to research on changes. > >6. Make clusters a natural part of the 'toolchest' for BSD users. This requires parts of point 2, and hype towards the present userbase. > >7. Make clusters a part of the focus of the BSD developers. This requires forward momentum, and some hype. > >I'll get back to more refined tasks shortly. See above. > Please do. I stress that documentation should be a goal in itself. Or > at least a subgoal of the above goals. I see documentation as a means to an end (understanding/ability in the reader), not as an ultimate goal in itself. > >We need to have enough text that people > >1) Understand what clusters are > >2) Understand what high availability is (at least to a degree) > >3) Understand why they would want clusters > >4) Understand where there are 'leverage points' where they can > > contribute to make a maximal difference > >5) Understand why the route chosen forward (which we need to choose, > > at least to a degree) has been chosen > > I think I can manage some initial text on 1 and 2, drawing from the > texts already online. I'll feed you with ideas for the other points, if you are willing to write them up. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Wed Dec 8 9:10:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from tkgis.tku.edu.tw (tkgis.tku.edu.tw [163.13.240.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4DA314C27 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:10:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cowboy@tkgis.tku.edu.tw) Received: from unitedsky (unitedsky.adsl931.tku.edu.tw [163.13.93.25]) by tkgis.tku.edu.tw (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA24565 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 01:10:25 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from cowboy@tkgis.tku.edu.tw) Message-ID: <004a01bf419f$15f9ef50$195d0da3@ADSL931.tku.edu.tw> Reply-To: "Chia-Hao Chang" From: "Chia-Hao Chang" To: Subject: Building clusterit-1.2 Error ... Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 01:10:09 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all: I try to build clusterit-1.2 under /usr/port/net/clusterit/ on a 3.3-Stable Box,and successfully build this package. But under 4.0-current box,I could not build it successfully.Error messages are as follow: ==================================================================== ===> Extracting for clusterit-1.2 >> Checksum OK for clusterit-1.2.tar.gz. ===> Patching for clusterit-1.2 ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for clusterit-1.2 ===> Configuring for clusterit-1.2 ===> Building for clusterit-1.2 cc -O -pipe -c dsh.c cc -O -pipe -c seq.c cc -O -pipe -c run.c cc -O -pipe -o dsh dsh.o cc -O -pipe -o seq seq.o cc -O -pipe -o run run.o cc -O -pipe -c pcp.c pcp.c: In function `paralell_copy': pcp.c:293: size of array `out' is too large pcp.c:294: size of array `err' is too large *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net/clusterit/work/clusterit-1.2/pcp. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net/clusterit/work/clusterit-1.2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net/clusterit. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net/clusterit. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net/clusterit. any suggestion ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Fri Dec 10 6: 4:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.bart.nl (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96239152B0; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 06:04:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@lucifer.bart.nl) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.bart.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA80223; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:04:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:04:53 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: Eivind Eklund Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Homepage, take two. Message-ID: <19991210150453.C85568@lucifer.bart.nl> References: <19991201223902.E89541@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <19991205125437.J76366@bitbox.follo.net> <19991205133421.G2126@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <19991207214809.I14851@bitbox.follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <19991207214809.I14851@bitbox.follo.net>; from eivind@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 09:48:09PM +0100 Organisation: bART Internet Services B.V. Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [19991207 21:50], Eivind Eklund (eivind@FreeBSD.ORG) wrote: >On Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 01:34:21PM +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: >> -On [19991205 13:00], Eivind Eklund (eivind@FreeBSD.ORG) wrote: >> >On Wed, Dec 01, 1999 at 10:39:02PM +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: >> >Rephrase of the first listed goal above, with extensions: >> >2. Make it easy to set up BSD based clusters. > >2.1 Documentation >2.1.1 A guide to seeing what you need from a cluster, and choosing > available technology. >2.1.2 Guides for setting up each of the common cluster forms for BSD > >2.2 Code >2.2.1 Pre-made ports for any relevant cluster packages >2.2.2 Writing any necessary tools that do not already exist >2.2.3 Integrate enabling technology into the BSD codebases >2.2.4 Integration of clustering in the BSD codebases, including a > 'native' clustering system for BSD Added these to the goals page. >> >We need to have enough text that people >> >1) Understand what clusters are >> >2) Understand what high availability is (at least to a degree) >> >3) Understand why they would want clusters (some of this falls in the what is a cluster/what is high availability section) - So that maximum operation for a certain defined service is maintained at all times, - Guarantee that there is a fallback solution for mission-critical servers. >> >4) Understand where there are 'leverage points' where they can >> > contribute to make a maximal difference >> >5) Understand why the route chosen forward (which we need to choose, >> > at least to a degree) has been chosen >> >> I think I can manage some initial text on 1 and 2, drawing from the >> texts already online. > >I'll feed you with ideas for the other points, if you are willing to >write them up. Sure. Always welcome. Also from other people of course. =) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator bART Internet Services / Tel: +31 - (0) 10 - 240 39 70 VIA NET.WORKS Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message