From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 19 07:53:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01663 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:53:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kersur.net (mail.kersur.net [199.79.199.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01658 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:53:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bcohen@bpecreative.com) Received: from mojomatic (dialup105.kersur.net [207.180.95.70]) by mail.kersur.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA08775 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:55:24 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "Bob Cohen" To: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:51:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01be43c3$95300af0$dfdfdfdf@mojomatic> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe freebsd-newbies To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 21 15:27:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13853 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:27:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13823; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:27:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA14465; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:20:10 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:20:10 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Call for reviewers; Managing websites with *BSD Message-ID: <19990121232009.B13906@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Reply-To: nik@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Call for reviewers I am in the process of writing a series of articles (not for profit, I expect them to be published in DaemonNews, and other community supported publications) explaining how you can use the tools that come with FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and Linux to help manage a website, ranging from a small home page with only a few pages to a large site with tens, hundreds, or even thousands of pages. As part of this it introduces tools and commands such as CVS, make(1), patch(1), and the PBM utilities. I have written the first drafts of the first two articles in the series, and I am looking for people who would be interested in reviewing, commenting and criticising them. Each article is (currently) roughly 5,000 words in length. I would especially value comments from people who have not used these tools before -- it is difficult to know whether or not I have pitched the level of the description correctly. If you are interested in reviewing and providing feedback on these two articles, please e-mail nik@freebsd.org. Many thanks. N -- subterra superque womblia liber To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 21 16:21:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23262 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:21:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA23255 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:21:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ricnaff@airmail.net) Received: from airmail.net from [207.136.22.4] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.377) with esmtp for sender: id ; Thu, 21 Jan 99 18:21:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <36A7C481.B8B69D1B@airmail.net> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:21:21 -0600 From: Ric Naff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FAQ html page is blank... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thought you would want to know that as of 18:20 CST 21JAN99: http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ.html, or just plain old http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/, returns a page that has no data. Viewing the source for the page (under NetScape 4.5 for Win95) reveals there isn't any nor . Just blank. Nada. Zilch. -- Ric Naff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 21 22:42:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA28783 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:42:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Pegasus.cc.ucf.edu [132.170.240.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA28774 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:42:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ewayte@mail.ucf.edu) Received: from mail.ucf.edu ([132.170.243.150]:3555 "HELO mail.ucf.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE") by pegasus.cc.ucf.edu with SMTP id <71588-14208>; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:38:13 -0500 Received: from ucf-mc-Message_Server by mail.ucf.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:40:34 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:40:13 -0500 From: "Eric Wayte" To: , Subject: Re: FAQ html page is blank... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I forwarded this message to the FreeBSD, Inc. webmaster (wosch@freebsd.org). Next time, you might want to post problems directly to him, instead of to a list. That way, they'll be resolved quicker. >>> Ric Naff 1/21/99 19:21:21 >>> Thought you would want to know that as of 18:20 CST 21JAN99: http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ.html, or just plain old http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/, returns a page that has no data. Viewing the source for the page (under NetScape 4.5 for Win95) reveals there isn't any nor . Just blank. Nada. Zilch. -- Ric Naff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 22 05:32:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16448 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:32:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hades.mminternet.com (hades2.mminternet.com [207.175.72.13] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16437 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:32:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robokrikit@mminternet.com) Received: from mminternet.com (robo@[209.241.150.87]) by hades.mminternet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA25341 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:14:32 -0800 Message-ID: <36A87EBC.ED9CF635@mminternet.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:35:56 -0800 From: Ken Draper X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.0-final i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Networking question (routing) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I've recently set up my first FreeBSD box, and am considering turning it into a packet-filtering router for a small LAN. From my ISP (dedicated ADSL line), I've been assigned a few of my own static IP addresses (not an entire subnet). Is there a way I can properly set up an inet-connected LAN, including the filtering router, using these IPs? I've been attempting this myself, but have been unsuccessful. Since the IP addresses themselves are from the same subnet, the routing table seems to be looking for all the hosts on one interface (NIC), and ignoring the other. Forgive me if I'm saying or doing something very obviously wrong here; I'm new to networking. :) Thanks, Ken Draper robokrikit@mminternet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 22 08:42:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06228 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:42:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06180; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:41:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marko@uk.radan.com) Received: from [158.152.75.22] (helo=uk.radan.com) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 103jeM-000212-00; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:41:39 +0000 Organisation: Radan Computational Ltd., Bath, UK. Phone: +44-1225-320320 Fax: +44-1225-320311 Received: from beavis.uk.radan.com (beavis [193.114.228.122]) by uk.radan.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id QAA03595; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:41:11 GMT Received: from uk.radan.com (gppsun4) by beavis.uk.radan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12791; Fri, 22 Jan 99 16:41:09 GMT Message-Id: <36A8AA11.A45175B8@uk.radan.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:40:49 +0000 From: Mark Ovens Organization: Radan Computational Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en-GB Mime-Version: 1.0 To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: NTFS driver for FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If anyone is interested I've put together a document describing how to install the driver that allows NTFS partitions to be mounted in FreeBSD. This driver isn't a port and can't be built/installed with a single ``make'' and the instructions that come with it are minimal. Whilst this shouldn't pose any problem for anyone who has built a couple of kernels it might not be so easy for newbies. I've put it on my Website in both HTML and ASCII text at http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~markov/ntfs_install.html The driver code can be d/l from http://iclub.nsu.ru/~semen/ntfs To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 22 10:10:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16488 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:10:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp2.home.se (smtp2.home.se [194.52.202.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16482 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:10:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daniel.solin@home.se) Received: from home.se (dialup234-1-22.swipnet.se [130.244.234.22]) by smtp2.home.se (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA12807 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:19:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <36A8BF9E.FE8F9C5@home.se> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:12:46 +0100 From: Daniel Solin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Helping others.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think helping others is fun and a good thing to do. It's also great to_get_ some help. I want more infromation! //Daniel - Linux Nerd that installed FreeBSD today. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 22 12:30:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06829 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:30:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from chopin.seattleu.edu (chopin.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06822 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:30:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu ([172.17.41.90]) by chopin.seattleu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA23533; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:30:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36A8DFA6.28736307@seattleu.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:29:26 -0800 From: Eric Hodel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Solin CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Helping others.. References: <36A8BF9E.FE8F9C5@home.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Daniel Solin wrote: > > I think helping others is fun and a good thing to do. It's also great > to_get_ some help. I want more infromation! > > //Daniel - Linux Nerd that installed FreeBSD today. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message www.freebsd.org/tutorials/ www.freebsd.org/handbook/ or /usr/doc/handbook www.freebsd.org/FAQ/ or /usr/share/doc/FAQ www.freebsddiary.com/freebsd (I think) -- Eric Hodel hodeleri@seattleu.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 22 12:48:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09313 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:48:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from chameleon.mtwest.net (chameleon.mtwest.net [208.194.108.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09307 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:48:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jataylor@lundahl.com) Received: from lundahl.com (USR55.mtwest.net [208.194.108.155]) by chameleon.mtwest.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA03982; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:43:38 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <36A8E344.F67C02C2@lundahl.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:44:53 -0700 From: "James A. Taylor" Organization: Lundahl Instruments, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Hodel CC: Daniel Solin , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Helping others.. References: <36A8BF9E.FE8F9C5@home.se> <36A8DFA6.28736307@seattleu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I think helping others is fun and a good thing to do. It's also great > > to_get_ some help. I want more infromation! > > www.freebsd.org/tutorials/ > www.freebsd.org/handbook/ or /usr/doc/handbook > www.freebsd.org/FAQ/ or /usr/share/doc/FAQ > www.freebsddiary.com/freebsd (I think) > I would also suggest James A. Taylor Lundahl Instruments, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 22 17:30:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18296 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:30:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18280 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:30:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA07891 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:30:14 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:30:14 +1100 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199901230130.MAA07891@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 30 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources:charters.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 22 18:05:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22306 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:05:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (neuman.interaccess.com [207.70.126.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22274 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:05:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ras@interaccess.com) Received: from wildrock (d85.tp.interaccess.com [199.88.134.85]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA21326; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:04:45 -0600 (CST) From: "Chris Silva" To: "Daniel Solin" , Subject: RE: Helping others.. Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:05:01 -0600 Message-ID: <000101be4674$c8f34790$0a00000a@wildrock> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <36A8BF9E.FE8F9C5@home.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I also agree - Helping is a good thing. I am a subscriber to the more popular FBSD newsgroups and as a newbie mewbie myself, can't even imagine asking what seems to be frivolous questions based on the topics I have seen in say, Current or Stable. I think we need a place where users such as myself can ask: What is a.out? What is ELF? Etc. Just my thoughts. BTW, I've been to FBSD on EFNet - There again, I try not to ask many questions (based on my lack of experience) with the like of Sue and Jordan there. I think you kinda catch my drift ;) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Daniel Solin > Sent: Friday, January 22, 1999 12:13 PM > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Helping others.. > > > I think helping others is fun and a good thing to do. It's also great > to_get_ some help. I want more infromation! > > //Daniel - Linux Nerd that installed FreeBSD today. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 22 21:13:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15384 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:13:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15372 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:13:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id QAA08625; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:13:07 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19990123161303.06522@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:13:03 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Chris Silva Cc: Daniel Solin , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Helping others.. References: <36A8BF9E.FE8F9C5@home.se> <000101be4674$c8f34790$0a00000a@wildrock> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <000101be4674$c8f34790$0a00000a@wildrock>; from Chris Silva on Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 08:05:01PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 08:05:01PM -0600, Chris Silva wrote: > I also agree - Helping is a good thing. I am a subscriber to the more > popular FBSD newsgroups and as a newbie mewbie myself, can't even > imagine asking what seems to be frivolous questions based on the > topics I have seen in say, Current or Stable. Of course. Those two lists are for people who have passed the newbie question stage. > I think we need a place where users such as myself can ask: > What is a.out? > What is ELF? > Etc. There is a place: freebsd-questions > Just my thoughts. BTW, I've been to FBSD on EFNet - There again, I > try not to ask many questions (based on my lack of experience) with > the like of Sue and Jordan there. I think you kinda catch my drift ;) I sure do :-) The #freebsd channel on efnet is not for support, and it's not the sort of place you'd let your kid-sister go to alone either. The #freebsd channel on undernet seems more support-oriented. We have some newbies and near newbies hanging out there most of the time. Dalnet might be good too. For other networks, play it by ear. People who offer support generally want to do it on their own terms, i.e., when and where they feel like it. It's in our interests to make them keep feeling like it. They resent being pestered for support during their "off" time. Ever had the experience of volunteering for something and then being pressured into a whole lot of extra stuff? I know you're gonna find this a bit hard to believe, but some of the people who don't ever want to support anyone run FreeBSD. Some of them drink coffee, and some use IRC. Neither coffee nor IRC turn people into happy helpers. FreeBSD-questions is *the* venue for support, to help keep a bit of sanity about the place. If you want to encourage people to keep offering support, you have to help them keep their work and play activities separate or they'll just run away spitting. Some newbies don't want to do anything other than ask for help all the time and disappear when things are going well. Other newbies realise they'll need help occasionally, but also want some time to interact socially as equals, not feel like a charity case or a school kid the whole time. We have this mailing list for that purpose. Last year we had a few discussions here around the idea of a #freebsdHelp IRC channel. We got into technical solutions, discussed different networks, even the idea of setting up a special irc server. It was all exciting for a while. Can you guess why nothing much happened? Like many good sounding ideas, it relies on having enough competent support people who are willing to commit to putting in the hours. The "you know FreeBSD therefore you HAVE to answer me!!!" attitude does little to increase the number of these people willing to keep helping. If you thank them for their time on duty as helpers, and respect their time when they are being non-helpers, you'll continue to get at least as much support as what is offered now. Work their behinds off in freebsd-questions by all means, but let them get a breather the rest of the time or they'll only return the same level of respect. If you really want an IRC channel for help, make it happen. Just beware of any help you get there, because, unlike freebsd-questions, anyone on IRC can tell you any rubbish and there's no-one checking what they say. At the moment undernet's #freebsd doesn't look too bad. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 22 21:46:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17794 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:46:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mbf.sphere.ne.jp (mbf.sphere.ne.jp [203.138.71.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA17789 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:46:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cornus@mbf.sphere.ne.jp) Received: from default (pl017.nas112.fukuyama.nttpc.ne.jp [210.153.197.17]) by mbf.sphere.ne.jp (8.8.8/3.6Wbeta7) with SMTP id NAA05851 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:16:24 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <000c01be46d2$fda24820$11c599d2@default> From: "=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCMGY+ZU1OO1IbKEI=?=" To: Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCJE8kOCRhJF4kNyRGISMjRiNyI2UjZSNCI1MjRCROPWkbKEI=?= =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCPzQ8VCRHJDkhIxsoQg==?= Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:18:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE46D2.DD1B8F80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE46D2.DD1B8F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 今年に入ってＦｒｅｅＢＳＤを使い始めました。 インストールはしたものの、Ｘを使いたいのですが、たちあがりません。 色々やってみましたが、わからないので、メールしました。 使用機種はＰＣ９８２１Ｃｕ１０／Ｄです。 インストールＶＥＲ．２．２．６−ＲＥＬＥＡＳＥ，ＸＦｒｅｅ８６　３．３．２で す。 （ＦｒｅｅＢＳＤ活用の本に付属のＣＤ−ＲＯＭです。） この本によると、ＸＦｒｅｅ８６　３．３．２では、ハングアップすることがあると 書いてあったので、新しいＣａｒｄｓ９８ｖ．１．３．２．６を入手しました。 コピーの方法がわからなかったので、ｖｉにて編集しましたが立ち上がりませんでし た。 どうすれば、使えるようになるかわかりません。手順、方法などを教えてください。 よろしくお願いします。 　　　　 ＭＡＬＬ：　ｃｏｒｎｕｓ＠ｍｂｆ．ｓｐｈｅｒｅ．ｎｅ．ｊｐ ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE46D2.DD1B8F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE46D2.DD1B8F80-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 23 03:12:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA14632 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 03:12:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw.caamora.com.au (jonath5.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.41.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA14625 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 03:12:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jon@gw.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by gw.caamora.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15646; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:15:31 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Message-ID: <19990123221530.D15095@caamora.com.au> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:15:30 +1100 From: jonathan michaels To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Helping others.. Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <36A8BF9E.FE8F9C5@home.se> <000101be4674$c8f34790$0a00000a@wildrock> <19990123161303.06522@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19990123161303.06522@welearn.com.au>; from Sue Blake on Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 04:13:03PM +1100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gw.caamora.com.au 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 X-Mood: i'm alive, if it counts Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 04:13:03PM +1100, Sue Blake wrote: > On Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 08:05:01PM -0600, Chris Silva wrote: > > I also agree - Helping is a good thing. I am a subscriber to the more > > popular FBSD newsgroups and as a newbie mewbie myself, can't even > > imagine asking what seems to be frivolous questions based on the > > topics I have seen in say, Current or Stable. > > Of course. Those two lists are for people who have passed the > newbie question stage. > > > I think we need a place where users such as myself can ask: > > What is a.out? > > What is ELF? > > Etc. > > There is a place: freebsd-questions > > > Just my thoughts. BTW, I've been to FBSD on EFNet - There again, I > > try not to ask many questions (based on my lack of experience) with > > the like of Sue and Jordan there. I think you kinda catch my drift ;) > > I sure do :-) > > The #freebsd channel on efnet is not for support, and it's not the sort > of place you'd let your kid-sister go to alone either. > The #freebsd channel on undernet seems more support-oriented. We have > some newbies and near newbies hanging out there most of the time. > Dalnet might be good too. For other networks, play it by ear. > > People who offer support generally want to do it on their own terms, > i.e., when and where they feel like it. It's in our interests to make > them keep feeling like it. They resent being pestered for support > during their "off" time. Ever had the experience of volunteering for > something and then being pressured into a whole lot of extra stuff? > > I know you're gonna find this a bit hard to believe, but some of the > people who don't ever want to support anyone run FreeBSD. Some of them > drink coffee, and some use IRC. Neither coffee nor IRC turn people into > happy helpers. > > FreeBSD-questions is *the* venue for support, to help keep a bit of > sanity about the place. If you want to encourage people to keep > offering support, you have to help them keep their work and play > activities separate or they'll just run away spitting. > > Some newbies don't want to do anything other than ask for help all the > time and disappear when things are going well. Other newbies realise > they'll need help occasionally, but also want some time to interact > socially as equals, not feel like a charity case or a school kid the > whole time. We have this mailing list for that purpose. > > Last year we had a few discussions here around the idea of > a #freebsdHelp IRC channel. We got into technical solutions, discussed > different networks, even the idea of setting up a special irc server. > It was all exciting for a while. Can you guess why nothing much happened? > Like many good sounding ideas, it relies on having enough competent > support people who are willing to commit to putting in the hours. > The "you know FreeBSD therefore you HAVE to answer me!!!" attitude does > little to increase the number of these people willing to keep helping. if i may be permited to stick in a plug here .. grins. email help is a poor second cousin to hands on sit down on a saterday afternoon and get dirty session in a computer user group. lately here (-questions) thier have been lots of peope asking about freebsd user groups. its not hard to organise, you just need a place were a group of people can meet and talk .. eats and drinks are optional extras -- as are teh computers by teh way. all you need is a willingness to go and a notepad to jost down things you might hear that would be helpfull. just sitting around and talking about your experiences can solve anothers person probelms very easily, being able to ask questions in a non threatening enviroment is a very big plus and it is teh quickest way to get to learn anything. well anyway, its someting to think about .. also if thier is no freebsd user group, thier might be a computer user group, even a linux group can have people who run freebsd .. you just have to ask about. if all this draws a blank ask in freebsd-questions, actually freebsd-chat would be better, but take care its a bear pit in desguise. thier is a mailing ilist called freebsd-user-groups, but this is not very much used .. maybe us newbies can fix that small oversight as well .. grins. doing support is not a tiresome job if its fun and inspiring, a user group can be all that and much more .. it also breaks down some of teh most damaging barriers in computing, isolation and loneliness. anyway, back to yo sue, thank you for your time. > If you thank them for their time on duty as helpers, and respect their > time when they are being non-helpers, you'll continue to get at least > as much support as what is offered now. Work their behinds off in > freebsd-questions by all means, but let them get a breather the rest of > the time or they'll only return the same level of respect. > > If you really want an IRC channel for help, make it happen. ditto, the (freebsd) user group in you area .. and i would say, from personal experience that it would be far more fullfiling and give all teh participants far better value for dollar. > Just beware of any help you get there, because, unlike freebsd-questions, > anyone on IRC can tell you any rubbish and there's no-one > checking what they say. At the moment undernet's #freebsd doesn't look > too bad. regards jonathan -- =============================================================================== Jonathan Michaels PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia =========================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 23 12:57:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14396 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:57:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (wen505.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.72] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA14385 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:57:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cap_vert@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19990123205722.28319.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [194.158.112.19] by web505.yahoomail.com; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:57:21 PST Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:57:21 -0800 (PST) From: Tomato Ketchup Subject: Problem when installing X packages from FreeBsd 3.0 Walnut Cdrom To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! I have bought the FreeBsd 3.0 Walnut cdrom, and the following problem appears: When trying to install a window manager package included in the walnut cdrom package, the system says it can't find the xfree3.3.2 package on the cdrom which should also have to be installed. I didn't find the XFree3.3.2 package on the cdrom neither on the freebsd site. Does this package exist? Of course I have installed the XFree86 distribution set from the cdrom (including sources, fonts, etc...), configuring Xfree86 (mouse, video card etc..) and I can use Xinit with the default window manager quite well. But no way to install any Xpackage due to this message! I try then to install my window manager package with the '-f' option wich force package creation without looking at other package dependencies, but then when trying to start my Window client, the system says it can't find some specific Xlibrairies.... Have anyone already heard about this problem? what can I do if I want to install a window manager with the current freebsd3.0 walnut cd rom? (note: I had the 2.2.6 freebsd Walnut cdrom, and this problem never appears with this version). Thanks for your help! (email: cap_vert@yahoo.com) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message