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I have been getting frequent kernel panics for the last 5 days or so
in 3.3-RC.

The latest panic is with the 3.3-RC source as of about Sept 11 22:00 PDT.

This box in question is doing NFS for 2 workstations (only one is
really being used), and running named, squid and ppp -nat for my home
LAN.  It seems to panic about half way through a make buildworld every
time.

I would be more than happy to provide more information as necessary.
I'm by no means a kernel hacker so I'm not really sure exactly what
info is needed.

I'm trying to reproduce this panic yet again with a kernel compiled
with debugging symbols so I can run it through kgdb.

For now this is all I have, but more info may follow.

Below is the dump and my dmesg:

Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
fault virtual address   = 0xffff037f
fault code              = supervisor read, page not present
instruction pointer     = 0x8:0xffff037f
stack pointer           = 0x10:0xc4651c58
frame pointer           = 0x10:0xc4651d1c
code segment            = base 0x0, limit 0xffff, type 0x1b
                        = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1
processor eflags        = interupt enable, resume, IOPL = 0
current process         = 78631 (cc1)
interrupt mask          =
kernel: type 12 trap, code=0
Stoped at       -0xfc81:

Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
fault virtual address   = 0xfff037f
fault code              = supervisor read, page not present
instruction pointer     = 0x0:0xc020327c
stack pointer           = 0x10:0xc4651ad0
frame pointer           = 0x10:0xc4651ad0
code segment            = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b
                        = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1
processor eflags        = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0
current process         = 78631 (cc1)
interrupt mask          =
        kernel: type 12 trap, code=0    



Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc.
Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
        The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 3.3-RC #25: Sat Sep 11 22:19:15 PDT 1999
    root@nietzsche.nihilist.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/NIETZSCHE
Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
CPU: AMD-K6tm w/ multimedia extensions (200.46-MHz 586-class CPU)
  Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x562  Stepping = 2
  Features=0x8001bf<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,MMX>
  AMD Features=0x400<<b10>>
real memory  = 67108864 (65536K bytes)
avail memory = 62279680 (60820K bytes)
Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02d6000.
Probing for devices on PCI bus 0:
chip0: <Intel 82439TX System Controller (MTXC)> rev 0x01 on pci0.0.0
chip1: <Intel 82371AB PCI to ISA bridge> rev 0x01 on pci0.1.0
ide_pci0: <Intel PIIX4 Bus-master IDE controller> rev 0x01 on pci0.1.1
chip2: <Intel 82371AB Power management controller> rev 0x01 on pci0.1.3
vga0: <S3 ViRGE VX graphics accelerator> rev 0x02 int a irq 9 on pci0.9.0
xl0: <3Com 3c905-TX Fast Etherlink XL> rev 0x00 int a irq 12 on pci0.10.0
xl0: Ethernet address: 00:60:97:df:4e:0b
xl0: autoneg complete, link status good (half-duplex, 10Mbps)
pn0: <82c169 PNIC 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x20 int a irq 11 on pci0.11.0
pn0: Ethernet address: 00:a0:cc:55:5a:1f
pn0: autoneg not complete, no carrier
Probing for PnP devices:
CSN 1 Vendor ID: SUP2121 [0x2121b04e] Serial 0x00001591 Comp ID: @@@0000 [0x0000
0000]
CSN 2 Vendor ID: CTL0024 [0x24008c0e] Serial 0x1004d894 Comp ID: PNP0600 [0x0006
d041]
pcm1 (SB16pnp <SB16 PnP> sn 0x1004d894) at 0x220-0x22f irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 on
 isa
Probing for devices on the ISA bus:
sc0 on isa
sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0>
atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard
atkbd0 irq 1 on isa
sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa
sio0: type 16550A
sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa
sio1: type 16550A
fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in
wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0xa0ffa0ff on isa
wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): <ST33232A>, DMA, 32-bit, multi-block-16
wd0: 3077MB (6303024 sectors), 6253 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S
wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 flags 0xa0ffa0ff on isa
wdc1: unit 0 (wd2): <QUANTUM FIREBALL ST4.3A>, DMA, 32-bit, multi-block-16
wd2: 4110MB (8418816 sectors), 14848 cyls, 9 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S
wdc1: unit 1 (atapi): <CD-ROM CDU77E/1.0e>, removable, accel, dma, iordy
acd0: drive speed 689KB/sec, 128KB cache
acd0: supported read types: CD-DA
acd0: Audio: play, 256 volume levels
acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray
acd0: Medium: no/blank disc inside, unlocked
ppc0 at 0x378 irq 7 flags 0x40 on isa
ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/16 bytes threshold
lpt0: <generic printer> on ppbus 0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
ppi0: <generic parallel i/o> on ppbus 0
plip0: <PLIP network interface> on ppbus 0
vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa
npx0 on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding disabled,
 logging disabled
changing root device to wd0s1a
WARNING: / was not properly dismounted
Start pid=2 <pagedaemon>
Start pid=3 <vmdaemon>
Start pid=4 <syncer>


Hope this helps a bit.

-- 
--Travis


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Hi,

I just cvsup'd the latest and greatest. make world worked fine. But trying  
to build a custom kernel fails. make depend works OK, but make results in  
this:

loading kernel
imgact_aout.o: In function 'aout_coredump':
imgact_aout.o(.text+0x36a): undefined reference to 'expand_name'

and a few more error messages.

Did I miss something?

Thanks

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Gerd Knops wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just cvsup'd the latest and greatest. make world worked fine. But trying
> to build a custom kernel fails. make depend works OK, but make results in
> this:
>
> loading kernel
> imgact_aout.o: In function 'aout_coredump':
> imgact_aout.o(.text+0x36a): undefined reference to 'expand_name'
>
> and a few more error messages.
>
> Did I miss something?
>
Yes I did. make clean fixed it. Obviously leftovers from a build before I  
cvsup'd were in the way.

Gerd


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In article <37859.936657213@noop.colo.erols.net>,
Gary Palmer <gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG> wrote:
> 
> Since best.com got assimilated, cvsup2.freebsd.org (aka burka.rdy.com)
> is off verio.net.

The trouble with cvsup2 is that it has a limit of only 6 clients at
a time.  It's usually maxxed out.

John
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  John D. Polstra & Co., Inc.                        Seattle, Washington USA
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sun Sep 12 11:51:37 1999
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> In article <37859.936657213@noop.colo.erols.net>,
> Gary Palmer <gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG> wrote:
> > 
> > Since best.com got assimilated, cvsup2.freebsd.org (aka burka.rdy.com)
> > is off verio.net.
> 
> The trouble with cvsup2 is that it has a limit of only 6 clients at
> a time.  It's usually maxxed out.

I am working on an additional cvsup mirror hanging off of Verio, though
I have been asked to ``bandwidth'' limit it due to political pressure.
This should help take some load off of cvsup2, and speed up things for
Verio connected customers.


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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sun Sep 12 13:41:28 1999
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	Usually I'd wait longer for a response from Sheldon, but since we're so
close to the release....

Doug

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: inetd -l doesn't (seem to) log without -wW
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:12:00 -0700
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Howdy,

	I installed the most recent -Stable yesterday and decided to fiddle around
with some of my rc.conf settings. I finally got around to
configuring/enabling the new tcp wrappers stuff, and noticed that when I
added wW to the -l that was already there, I started getting a lot more
stuff logged. The man page says:

If the -l option is specified, all connection attempts are logged,
whether they are allowed, denied or not wrapped at all. Otherwise, only
denied requests will be logged.

which seems to be at odds with what is happening here. You want to take a
look at that and see what's up? For example all of my successful
connections to imapd and time are being logged, which I wasn't seeing
either without the -wW. 

Thanks,

Doug


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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sun Sep 12 21:14:43 1999
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	I tried this once on -hackers and got no response, so I'll try it here
now. 

for FILE in `find /usr/src/etc -type f`; do grep -L '\$FreeBSD' $FILE; done

	These files all allow #comments
/usr/src/etc/amd.map
/usr/src/etc/fbtab
/usr/src/etc/master.passwd
/usr/src/etc/rc.diskless1
/usr/src/etc/rc.diskless2
/usr/src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.cf
/usr/src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.mc
/usr/src/etc/termcap.small

	The other mtree files got switched, this one got missed
/usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.usr.dist

	Allows comments prepended with ;
/usr/src/etc/namedb/named.root

	Comments in these two files don't make sense
/usr/src/etc/minfree
/usr/src/etc/motd

	Not sure about these
/usr/src/etc/kerberosIV/krb.conf
/usr/src/etc/kerberosIV/krb.realms
/usr/src/etc/locale.alias

	Additional files in /etc

	Not sure if they take comments
/etc/gnats/freefall
/etc/mail.rc

	Do take comments, live in /usr/src/gnu/libexec/uucp/sample/
/etc/uucp/call.sample
/etc/uucp/config.sample
/etc/uucp/dialcode.sample
/etc/uucp/passwd.sample
/etc/uucp/port.sample
/etc/uucp/sys1.sample
/etc/uucp/sys2.sample

	Does take comments, not sure where it's generated from
/etc/exports

	FYI Peter, similar work needs to be done in -Current, but since we're so
close to the release I thought I'd point out -Stable in particular. 

HTH,

Doug


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>> The trouble with cvsup2 is that it has a limit of only 6 clients at
>> a time.  It's usually maxxed out.
> I am working on an additional cvsup mirror hanging off of Verio, though
> I have been asked to ``bandwidth'' limit it due to political pressure.
> This should help take some load off of cvsup2, and speed up things for
> Verio connected customers.

i can put a box on the verio backbone itself, like on a fast ether off
oc12s in a backbone rack.  i am trying to work out with folk like john
polstra how to build/maintain the box itself.  i can supply the pieces,
but not a lot of my time.  i suspect john may not have a lot of time
either.

randy


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> >> The trouble with cvsup2 is that it has a limit of only 6 clients at
> >> a time.  It's usually maxxed out.
> > I am working on an additional cvsup mirror hanging off of Verio, though
> > I have been asked to ``bandwidth'' limit it due to political pressure.
> > This should help take some load off of cvsup2, and speed up things for
> > Verio connected customers.
> 
> i can put a box on the verio backbone itself, like on a fast ether off
> oc12s in a backbone rack. 

John mentioned that to me in private mail, our connection is actually
fast ether to pdx19.verio.net, you know the map from there far better
than I do.

> i am trying to work out with folk like john
> polstra how to build/maintain the box itself.  i can supply the pieces,
> but not a lot of my time.  i suspect john may not have a lot of time
> either.

Supply the pieces, I'll maintain it if John doesn't have the time.
I actually have it up and running here now, it was a snap.  As soon
as testing gets done and I get that last buy off it'll go live as
a replacement for cvsup4.

-- 
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Everytime I try to "make" my kernel I get :

/var: write failed, file system is full
cpp: /var/tmp/cczr1080.i: No space left on device
*** Error code 1

is there anyway around this?



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I have recently cvsup'd to 3.3RC, and just today started using natd on that
machine. Overall, this went quite well, but I have one issue that I cannot
seem to resolve by myself.

Starting with the reboot after I had edited /etc/rc.conf and re-compiled my
kernel for natd (IPDIVERT and IPFIREWALL options) I started getting
spontaneous reboots.  There is no /core after these, nor is there a stack
dump of any sort resulting from this.  The only output produced at all is a
scant two or three lines:

Panic: sbappendaddr
Automatic reboot in 15 seconds
Syncing disks...

With the lack of a core or stack dump, I don't know what information I can
provide to shed further light on this issue.  The machine itself is a simple
enough pentium 166 with 32 megs of ram.  The ethernet cards I am using are
both Linksys LNE100TX's, using the "pn" device driver. Currently pn0 is
connected to the hub for my LAN, and pn1 is connected to my ADSL modem.  I
have tried switching the cables and then switching the ifconfig's, etc in
/etc/rc.conf, but the reboots still are happening. I previously had one of
these cards in the FreeBSD machine, and was doing the NAT via a Win98
machine, this configuration ran without a hitch (On the FreeBSD end of
things anyway, heh) for over a month, and also ran fine for the past couple
days since I went to 3.3RC.  The reboots themselves don't appear to have any
rhyme or reason behind them, at least to me, as I FTP'd several hundred megs
over the course of a few hours without a problem, and then had one of these
reboots while checking my email (from a different machine, in both cases).

I shall be more than happy to provide any further information that will help
shed light on this subject, it has completely baffled me.











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I hope this is the right place to report a problem like this.  Or should
I have filed a pr?

I'm still getting a panic in 3.3-RC code as of last night.
Like I said in my last message, this happens with almost every buildworld
on a FreeBSD box which is doing some light NFS serving, very light
DNS, ppp -nat,  and a very light squid proxy.

Here is a trace from gdb -k.  And below is my dmesg and then my kernel
config.  And I would be more than happy to provide more info or help
in any way in which my non-coding carcas can.


(kgdb) symbol-file /kernel.debug 
Reading symbols from /kernel.debug...done.
(kgdb) exec-file /var/crash/kernel.0 
(kgdb) core-file /var/crash/vmcore.0 
IdlePTD 2895872
initial pcb at 251be0
panicstr: page fault
panic messages:
---
Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
fault virtual address   = 0xffff037f
fault code              = supervisor read, page not present
instruction pointer     = 0x8:0xffff037f
stack pointer           = 0x10:0xc4652e28
frame pointer           = 0x10:0xc4652e9c
code segment            = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b
                        = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1
processor eflags        = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0
current process         = 76480 (cpp)
interrupt mask          = 
trap number             = 12
panic: page fault

syncing disks... 65 64 61 54 28 17 5 done

dumping to dev 20001, offset 216992
dump 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 
38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12
 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 
---
#0  boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285
285                     dumppcb.pcb_cr3 = rcr3();
(kgdb) where
#0  boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285
#1  0xc01345e8 in at_shutdown (
    function=0xc0231fd2 <__set_sysinit_set_sym_memdev_sys_init+1542>, 
    arg=0xc4636780, queue=-1000002068) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:446
#2  0xc01fb959 in trap_fatal (frame=0xc4652dec, eva=4294902655)
    at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:942
#3  0xc01fb637 in trap_pfault (frame=0xc4652dec, usermode=0, eva=4294902655)
    at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:835
#4  0xc01fb2da in trap (frame={tf_es = 16, tf_ds = 16, tf_edi = 135614464, 
      tf_esi = -1000001620, tf_ebp = -1000001892, tf_isp = -1000002028, 
      tf_ebx = 0, tf_edx = -1069539336, tf_ecx = 0, tf_eax = -1071710149, 
      tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 0, tf_eip = -64641, tf_cs = 8, 
      tf_eflags = 66118, tf_esp = -65536, tf_ss = -1})
    at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:437
#5  0xffff037f in ?? ()
#6  0xc01d51e5 in vm_fault (map=0xc4628ac0, vaddr=135614464, 
    fault_type=3 '\003', fault_flags=8) at ../../vm/vm_fault.c:532
#7  0xc01fb5ca in trap_pfault (frame=0xc4652fac, usermode=1, eva=135614464)
    at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:816
#8  0xc01fb182 in trap (frame={tf_es = 39, tf_ds = 39, tf_edi = 135614464, 
      tf_esi = 134803538, tf_ebp = -1077947772, tf_isp = -1000001580, 
      tf_ebx = 134650200, tf_edx = 6411, tf_ecx = 1620, tf_eax = 86, 
      tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 6, tf_eip = 134522590, tf_cs = 31, 
      tf_eflags = 66051, tf_esp = -1077947864, tf_ss = 39})
    at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:358
#9  0x804a6de in ?? ()
#10 0x804d9d0 in ?? ()
#11 0x804d319 in ?? ()
#12 0x804c39e in ?? ()
#13 0x804aae0 in ?? ()
#14 0x8049ff1 in ?? ()
#15 0x80480e9 in ?? ()


My dmesg:

Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc.
Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
        The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 3.3-RC #29: Sun Sep 12 14:57:58 PDT 1999
    root@nietzsche.nihilist.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/NIETZSCHE
Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
CPU: AMD-K6tm w/ multimedia extensions (200.46-MHz 586-class CPU)
  Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x562  Stepping = 2
  Features=0x8001bf<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,MMX>
  AMD Features=0x400<<b10>>
real memory  = 67108864 (65536K bytes)
avail memory = 62427136 (60964K bytes)
Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02b1000.
Probing for devices on PCI bus 0:
chip0: <Intel 82439TX System Controller (MTXC)> rev 0x01 on pci0.0.0
chip1: <Intel 82371AB PCI to ISA bridge> rev 0x01 on pci0.1.0
ide_pci0: <Intel PIIX4 Bus-master IDE controller> rev 0x01 on pci0.1.1
chip2: <Intel 82371AB Power management controller> rev 0x01 on pci0.1.3
vga0: <S3 ViRGE VX graphics accelerator> rev 0x02 int a irq 9 on pci0.9.0
xl0: <3Com 3c905-TX Fast Etherlink XL> rev 0x00 int a irq 12 on pci0.10.0
xl0: Ethernet address: 00:60:97:df:4e:0b
xl0: autoneg complete, link status good (half-duplex, 10Mbps)
pn0: <82c169 PNIC 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x20 int a irq 11 on pci0.11.0
pn0: Ethernet address: 00:a0:cc:55:5a:1f
pn0: autoneg not complete, no carrier
Probing for PnP devices:
CSN 1 Vendor ID: SUP2121 [0x2121b04e] Serial 0x00001591 Comp ID: @@@0000 [0x00000000]
CSN 2 Vendor ID: CTL0024 [0x24008c0e] Serial 0x1004d894 Comp ID: PNP0600 [0x0006d041]
pcm1 (SB16pnp <SB16 PnP> sn 0x1004d894) at 0x220-0x22f irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 on isa
Probing for devices on the ISA bus:
sc0 on isa
sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0>
atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard
atkbd0 irq 1 on isa
sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa
sio0: type 16550A
sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa
sio1: type 16550A
fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in
wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0xa0ffa0ff on isa
wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): <ST33232A>, DMA, 32-bit, multi-block-16
wd0: 3077MB (6303024 sectors), 6253 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S
wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 flags 0xa0ffa0ff on isa
wdc1: unit 0 (wd2): <QUANTUM FIREBALL ST4.3A>, DMA, 32-bit, multi-block-16
wd2: 4110MB (8418816 sectors), 14848 cyls, 9 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S
ppc0 at 0x378 irq 7 flags 0x40 on isa
ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/16 bytes threshold
lpt0: <generic printer> on ppbus 0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
ppi0: <generic parallel i/o> on ppbus 0
plip0: <PLIP network interface> on ppbus 0
vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa
npx0 on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding disabled, logging limited to 200 packets/entry by default
changing root device to wd0s1a
WARNING: / was not properly dismounted
Start pid=2 <pagedaemon>
Start pid=3 <vmdaemon>
Start pid=4 <syncer>



My kernel config:

machine         "i386"
cpu             "I586_CPU"
cpu             "I686_CPU"
ident           NIETZSCHE
maxusers        32

options         INET                    #InterNETworking
options         FFS                     #Berkeley Fast Filesystem
options         FFS_ROOT                #FFS usable as root device [keep this!]
options         NFS                     #Network Filesystem
options         PROCFS                  #Process filesystem
options         "COMPAT_43"             #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!]
options         UCONSOLE                #Allow users to grab the console
options         FAILSAFE                #Be conservative
options         USERCONFIG              #boot -c editor
options         VISUAL_USERCONFIG       #visual boot -c editor
options         KTRACE                  #ktrace(1) syscall trace support
options         SYSVSHM                 #SYSV-style shared memory
options         SYSVMSG                 #SYSV-style message queues
options         SYSVSEM                 #SYSV-style semaphores

config          kernel  root on wd0

controller      isa0
controller      pnp0                    # PnP support for ISA
controller      eisa0
controller      pci0

# Floppy drives
controller      fdc0    at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2
disk            fd0     at fdc0 drive 0
disk            fd1     at fdc0 drive 1

# IDE controller and disks
controller      wdc0    at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 flags 0xa0ffa0ff
disk            wd0     at wdc0 drive 0
disk            wd1     at wdc0 drive 1

controller      wdc1    at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 flags 0xa0ffa0ff
disk            wd2     at wdc1 drive 0
disk            wd3     at wdc1 drive 1

# ATAPI devices
options         ATAPI           #Enable ATAPI support for IDE bus
device          acd0            #IDE CD-ROM
device          wfd0            #IDE Floppy (e.g. LS-120)

# atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse
controller      atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD tty
device          atkbd0  at isa? tty irq 1

device          vga0    at isa? port ? conflicts

# splash screen/screen saver
pseudo-device   splash

# syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console
device          sc0     at isa? tty

# Floating point support - do not disable.
device          npx0    at isa? port IO_NPX irq 13

# Power management support (see LINT for more options)
device          apm0    at isa? disable flags 0x31 # Advanced Power Management

# Serial (COM) ports
device          sio0    at isa? port "IO_COM1" flags 0x10 tty irq 4
device          sio1    at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3
device          sio2    at isa? disable port "IO_COM3" tty irq 5
device          sio3    at isa? disable port "IO_COM4" tty irq 9

# Parallel port
device          ppc0    at isa? port? flags 0x40 net irq 7
controller      ppbus0                  # Parallel port bus (required)
device          lpt0    at ppbus?       # Printer
device          plip0   at ppbus?       # TCP/IP over parallel
device          ppi0    at ppbus?       # Parallel port interface device

# PCI Ethernet NICs.
device          de0             # DEC/Intel DC21x4x (``Tulip'')
device          pn0             # Lite-On 82c168/82c169 (``PNIC'')
device          xl0             # 3Com 3c90x (``Boomerang'', ``Cyclone'')

# Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocated.
pseudo-device   loop            # Network loopback
pseudo-device   ether           # Ethernet support
pseudo-device   tun     1       # Packet tunnel, for ppp(1)
pseudo-device   pty     16      # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc)
pseudo-device   gzip            # Exec gzipped a.out's

options         VESA
options         "VM86"

# Coda stuff:
options         CODA                    #CODA filesystem.
pseudo-device   vcoda   4               #coda minicache <-> venus comm.

# POSIX P1003.1B
options         "P1003_1B"
options         "_KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING"
options         "_KPOSIX_VERSION=199309L"

# Get rid of that lame Ctrl Alt Del to reboot
options         SC_DISABLE_REBOOT
options         SC_HISTORY_SIZE=200

# Stuff for my K6 CPU.
options         "NO_F00F_HACK"
options         CPU_WT_ALLOC            #some K6 optimization
options         NO_MEMORY_HOLE

options         "MD5"                   #authentiction stuff

device pcm0 at pnp?

# Firewall support
options         IPFIREWALL
options         IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE
options         "IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=200"
options         IPDIVERT
options         ICMP_BANDLIM

# softupdate
options         SOFTUPDATES

# debug stuff
options         INVARIANTS
options         INVARIANT_SUPPORT
options         DIAGNOSTIC



I hope this does some good.  Thanks!

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the laughingstock not only of the civilized world but of the highly-wired
generation of kids we're supposedly trying to protect.
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Mon Sep 13  1:28:42 1999
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On Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 01:30:22AM -0500, High Voltage wrote:
> Everytime I try to "make" my kernel I get :
> 
> /var: write failed, file system is full
> cpp: /var/tmp/cczr1080.i: No space left on device
> *** Error code 1
> 
> is there anyway around this?

Your drive is full.

So, run 'df' to see how much space is used on that partition, and
then use 'du' to find out where its beeing used and delete some stuff.

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On Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 03:48:23AM -0400, Jay Oliver wrote:
> I have recently cvsup'd to 3.3RC, and just today started using natd on that
> machine. Overall, this went quite well, but I have one issue that I cannot
> seem to resolve by myself.
> 
> Starting with the reboot after I had edited /etc/rc.conf and re-compiled my
> kernel for natd (IPDIVERT and IPFIREWALL options) I started getting
> spontaneous reboots.  There is no /core after these, nor is there a stack
> dump of any sort resulting from this.  The only output produced at all is a
> scant two or three lines:
> 
> Panic: sbappendaddr
> Automatic reboot in 15 seconds
> Syncing disks...
> 
> With the lack of a core or stack dump, I don't know what information I can
> provide to shed further light on this issue.  The machine itself is a simple
> enough pentium 166 with 32 megs of ram.  The ethernet cards I am using are
> both Linksys LNE100TX's, using the "pn" device driver. Currently pn0 is
> connected to the hub for my LAN, and pn1 is connected to my ADSL modem.  I
> have tried switching the cables and then switching the ifconfig's, etc in
> /etc/rc.conf, but the reboots still are happening. I previously had one of
> these cards in the FreeBSD machine, and was doing the NAT via a Win98
> machine, this configuration ran without a hitch (On the FreeBSD end of
> things anyway, heh) for over a month, and also ran fine for the past couple
> days since I went to 3.3RC.  The reboots themselves don't appear to have any
> rhyme or reason behind them, at least to me, as I FTP'd several hundred megs
> over the course of a few hours without a problem, and then had one of these
> reboots while checking my email (from a different machine, in both cases).
> 
> I shall be more than happy to provide any further information that will help
> shed light on this subject, it has completely baffled me.
> 
Could you please turn on the kernel debugger (DDB)?

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The split screen program "talk" seems to not work anymore for 3.3-RC

(mesg y)

Can someone try it!

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On 13-Sep-99 Greg Quinlan wrote:
> The split screen program "talk" seems to not work anymore for 3.3-RC
> 
> (mesg y)

        Fails for me (3.3RC cvsupped last thursday), all I get is the
checking for invitation message repeated endlessly (talk to local user).

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----- Original Message ----- 
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> On 13-Sep-99 Greg Quinlan wrote:
> > The split screen program "talk" seems to not work anymore for 3.3-RC
> > 
> > (mesg y)
> 
>         Fails for me (3.3RC cvsupped last thursday), all I get is the
> checking for invitation message repeated endlessly (talk to local user).
> 

Yep! That's extactly what I get. (cvsup last friday)
So it is broken!

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Greg Quinlan wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve O'Hara-Smith <steveo@iol.ie>
> 
> > On 13-Sep-99 Greg Quinlan wrote:
> > > The split screen program "talk" seems to not work anymore for 3.3-RC
> > >
> > > (mesg y)
> >
> >         Fails for me (3.3RC cvsupped last thursday), all I get is the
> > checking for invitation message repeated endlessly (talk to local user).
> >
> 
> Yep! That's extactly what I get. (cvsup last friday)
> So it is broken!

You guys have talkd enabled in /etc/inetd.conf ?

> 
> Greg
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Gah...I ment ntalkd. :)

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Mark Skurzynski wrote:
> 
> Greg Quinlan wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Steve O'Hara-Smith <steveo@iol.ie>
> >
> > > On 13-Sep-99 Greg Quinlan wrote:
> > > > The split screen program "talk" seems to not work anymore for 3.3-RC
> > > >
> > > > (mesg y)
> > >
> > >         Fails for me (3.3RC cvsupped last thursday), all I get is the
> > > checking for invitation message repeated endlessly (talk to local user).
> > >
> >
> > Yep! That's extactly what I get. (cvsup last friday)
> > So it is broken!
> 
> You guys have talkd enabled in /etc/inetd.conf ?
> 
> >
> > Greg
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"Greg Quinlan" <Greg.Quinlan@swlct.sthames.nhs.uk> writes:

> Yep! That's extactly what I get. (cvsup last friday)
> So it is broken!

My talk is _not_ broken...

% uname -a
FreeBSD titine.fr.eu.org 3.3-RC FreeBSD 3.3-RC #6: Fri Sep 10 ...

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On Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 11:50:46AM +0100, Greg Quinlan wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Steve O'Hara-Smith <steveo@iol.ie>
> 
> > On 13-Sep-99 Greg Quinlan wrote:
> > > The split screen program "talk" seems to not work anymore for 3.3-RC
> > > 
> > > (mesg y)
> > 
> >         Fails for me (3.3RC cvsupped last thursday), all I get is the
> > checking for invitation message repeated endlessly (talk to local user).
> > 
> 
> Yep! That's extactly what I get. (cvsup last friday)
> So it is broken!
> 
> Greg

Make sure that `ntalk' line is present and uncommented in your /etc/inetd.conf:

ntalk	dgram	udp	wait	tty:tty	/usr/libexec/ntalkd	ntalkd


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> Greg Quinlan wrote:
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Steve O'Hara-Smith <steveo@iol.ie>
> > 
> > > On 13-Sep-99 Greg Quinlan wrote:
> > > > The split screen program "talk" seems to not work anymore for 3.3-RC
> > > >
> > > > (mesg y)
> > >
> > >         Fails for me (3.3RC cvsupped last thursday), all I get is the
> > > checking for invitation message repeated endlessly (talk to local user).
> > >
> > 
> > Yep! That's extactly what I get. (cvsup last friday)
> > So it is broken!
> 
> You guys have talkd enabled in /etc/inetd.conf ?

I saw a similar problem with ntalkd in -current 2 months or so
ago.  My friend and I both tried being the originator of the
talk request and it sat around "waiting for invitation...".
We got the timing down right twice and we got connected,
but 98% of the time it did the "waiting for..." junk.
I had forgotten about it until now.

His talk client and daemon were on a BSDI machine, if I remember right.

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Nope!

I only have ftpd & telnetd in my inetd.conf

ntalkd is "#"-ed

Greg

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> Gah...I ment ntalkd. :)
>
> -ms
>
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> Mark Skurzynski wrote:
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> > Greg Quinlan wrote:
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> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Steve O'Hara-Smith <steveo@iol.ie>
> > >
> > > > On 13-Sep-99 Greg Quinlan wrote:
> > > > > The split screen program "talk" seems to not work anymore for
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> > > > >
> > > > > (mesg y)
> > > >
> > > >         Fails for me (3.3RC cvsupped last thursday), all I get is
the
> > > > checking for invitation message repeated endlessly (talk to local
user).
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yep! That's extactly what I get. (cvsup last friday)
> > > So it is broken!
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On Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 12:17:19PM +0100, Greg Quinlan wrote:
> Nope!
> 
> I only have ftpd & telnetd in my inetd.conf
> 
> ntalkd is "#"-ed
> 
> Greg

Grrr, so uncomment it and try again!

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On 13-Sep-99 Greg Quinlan wrote:
> Nope!
> 
> I only have ftpd & telnetd in my inetd.conf

        Me neither, it workd when I enable ntalkd. I had it stuck in
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Folks,

	Okay, I'm going to try this again.


	Starting from 3.2-RELEASE, I cvsup'ed last night, and everything 
seemed to go well.  My /etc/daily.local file is:

/usr/local/bin/cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile
/usr/local/bin/cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile.intl
cd /usr/src && make buildworld

	I have since commented out these three lines, because I to make 
sure that I don't have any changes made on this system between 
periods of time when I've been able to work on it.

	The functional bits of these two supfiles are:

/etc/cvsupfile:
*default  host=cvsup.de.FreeBSD.org
*default  base=/usr
*default  prefix=/usr
*default  release=cvs
*default  tag=RELENG_3
*default  delete use-rel-suffix

src-all
*default tag=.
ports-all
doc-all

/etc/cvsupfile.intl:
*default  host=cvsup.internat.freebsd.org
*default  base=/usr
*default  prefix=/usr
*default  release=cvs
*default  tag=RELENG_3
*default  delete use-rel-suffix

src-crypto
src-eBones
src-secure

	These taken directly from src/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile 
and secure-supfile from 3.2-RELEASE.


	The "make buildworld" seemed to work okay, so I tried a separate 
"make installworld" this afternoon.  That seemed to work okay, too. 
When working on building a new kernel (before rebooting), "config 
HOST" seemed to work fine, as did "make depend" in ../../compile/HOST 
(or whatever the exact path is -- that's since scrolled off my 
screen).  However, when doing a "make" for the kernel, it terminates 
with the following errors:

loading kernel
i686_mem.o: In function `i686_mrinit':
i686_mem.o(.text+0xe18): undefined reference to `M_MEMDESC'
i686_mem.o: In function `i686_mem_drvinit':
i686_mem.o(.text+0xfbb): undefined reference to `mem_range_softc'
identcpu.o: In function `printcpuinfo':
identcpu.o(.text+0x54d): undefined reference to `tsc_is_broken'
identcpu.o(.text+0xa45): undefined reference to `tsc_is_broken'
*** Error code 1


	Can someone point me to what I might have missed, and if there's 
some section of an FM that I should be R'ing, what section of what FM 
that is, so that I can understand this process a bit better?  If it 
helps, I'll be glad to share my kernel config file, but I didn't want 
to post it to the entire list unless it was necessary.


	Thanks for any advice or assistance you may be able to provide!

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At 03:54 PM 9/13/99 +0200, Brad Knowles wrote:
>Folks,
>
>	Okay, I'm going to try this again.
>
>
>	Starting from 3.2-RELEASE, I cvsup'ed last night, and everything 
>seemed to go well.  My /etc/daily.local file is:
>
>/usr/local/bin/cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile
>/usr/local/bin/cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile.intl
>cd /usr/src && make buildworld
>
>	I have since commented out these three lines, because I to make 
>sure that I don't have any changes made on this system between 
>periods of time when I've been able to work on it.
>
>	The functional bits of these two supfiles are:
>
>/etc/cvsupfile:
>*default  host=cvsup.de.FreeBSD.org
>*default  base=/usr
>*default  prefix=/usr
>*default  release=cvs
>*default  tag=RELENG_3
>*default  delete use-rel-suffix
>
>src-all
>*default tag=.
>ports-all
>doc-all
>
>/etc/cvsupfile.intl:
>*default  host=cvsup.internat.freebsd.org
>*default  base=/usr
>*default  prefix=/usr
>*default  release=cvs
>*default  tag=RELENG_3
>*default  delete use-rel-suffix
>
>src-crypto
>src-eBones
>src-secure
>
>	These taken directly from src/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile 
>and secure-supfile from 3.2-RELEASE.


Are you sure you want 
*default tag=.

/usr/src/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile looks like this on my box

*default host=CHANGE_THIS.FreeBSD.org
*default base=/usr
*default prefix=/usr
*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_3
*default delete use-rel-suffix

*default compress

src-all


Is all you really need.


Also, you will need to monitor and merge the changes in /etc. 

You dont mention anything about that.

>
>
>	The "make buildworld" seemed to work okay, so I tried a separate 
>"make installworld" this afternoon.  That seemed to work okay, too. 
>When working on building a new kernel (before rebooting), "config 
>HOST" seemed to work fine, as did "make depend" in ../../compile/HOST 

Its probably safer if you do a 
config -r HOST to remove the old cruft in your compile directory, or
rm -R ../../compile/HOST
config HOST
cd ../../compile/HOST
make depend;make


I would suggest not doing autobuilds until you are more comfortable with
the whole process.

	---Mike
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At 10:00 AM -0400 1999/9/13, Sean O'Connell wrote:

> You might try a 'config -r HOST'; cd /sys/compile/HOST; make depend

	That seemed to do the trick.  The machine is rebooting now, and 
we'll see if I run into any other problems.

> this will wipe clean the HOST directory and let it redo it from
> scratch (by the way this used to be the default behavior of config
> under 2.2.x).

	Anybody know if this is documented anywhere in the Handbook or on 
the mailing lists?  I did some searches, but didn't turn up anything.


	Thanks again!

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At 10:02 AM -0400 1999/9/13, Mike Tancsa wrote:

> Are you sure you want
> *default tag=.

	For ports and doc, I believe that this is correct.  At least, 
that's the way I interpret the comments in 
/usr/src/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile, as well as 
/usr/src/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile and 
/usr/src/share/examples/cvsup/doc-supfile.

	If this is not correct, I'd appreciate whatever advice you may be 
able to give.

> src-all
>
> Is all you really need.

	This doesn't get the crypto stuff, does it?  IIRC, it also 
doesn't get the ports or doc stuff.  Should these other things not be 
updated at the same time as /usr/src?

> Also, you will need to monitor and merge the changes in /etc.
>
> You dont mention anything about that.

	Uh, no.  I wasn't aware that this was necessary.  I take it I 
should do some searches on this "mergemaster" program I've seen 
referenced?

> Its probably safer if you do a
> config -r HOST to remove the old cruft in your compile directory, or
> rm -R ../../compile/HOST
> config HOST
> cd ../../compile/HOST
> make depend;make

	I got this same advice from another person on the list, and so 
far it appears that this has solved the problem.

	Out of curiosity, is it a good habit to get into to always do a 
"config -r HOST"?, or is this an unusual sort of thing that you might 
only want to do after having built a new machine and you now want to 
go rebuild the kernel so that it corresponds?

> I would suggest not doing autobuilds until you are more comfortable with
> the whole process.

	It was my understanding that "make buildworld" actually did the 
builds in a separate directory tree (something like 
/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp), and so long as you didn't do a "make 
installworld" on a machine where the previous "make buildworld" did 
not complete successfully, you should be okay.  Is this not an 
accurate statement?


	Since this is a rather lengthy process on this machine, if I can 
avoid the additional time of having to wait for "make buildworld" to 
complete, I'd like to do that.

	In this case, I did check the output of the results that had been 
mailed to me regarding the cvsup commands and the "make buildworld", 
and confirmed that things appeared to have been successful before I 
manually proceeded with a "make installworld".


	Is there something else I've missed?  I really would like to 
learn the proper way to do all this stuff, so any advice you may have 
would be appreciated, especially if you can help me understand the 
reasoning behind the advice.


	Thanks again!

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On Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 04:37:44PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 10:02 AM -0400 1999/9/13, Mike Tancsa wrote:
> 
> 	Uh, no.  I wasn't aware that this was necessary.  I take it I 
> should do some searches on this "mergemaster" program I've seen 
> referenced?
> 

cd /usr/ports/sysutils/mergemaster
make install

The current version if 1.36.  Take a look at the manual page first,
and then use it always ;)

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At 3:56 PM +0100 1999/9/13, Josef Karthauser wrote:

> cd /usr/ports/sysutils/mergemaster
> make install

	I've downloaded and installed it and read the man page, but I 
have not yet run it.  I want to understand some more things about it 
before I consider that.  Of course, that will include going back and 
re-reading the man page a few more times to make sure that I've at 
least tried to understand the nuances of using the program, etc....

> The current version if 1.36.  Take a look at the manual page first,
> and then use it always ;)

	If I understand correctly (IIUC?), it basically creates a 
tripwire-like database of files, names, etc..., and continues to 
track whatever changes may be made in your configuration versus the 
database it initially builds.

	When you run it again, you're given the option of taking the new 
file, deleting the new file, merging the changes between them, or 
leaving it for handling manually.


	In this context, it doesn't seem to buy you much of anything if 
you were stupid enough to cvsup before you ran the program the first 
time, right?  I mean, you need to get that tripwire-like database 
built somehow, and the smartest thing to do would seem to be to do 
that before updating the sources, so that you've got a chance of 
catching conflicts that might be generated during that process.

	At least, that's my understanding.  Do you have any additional 
advice regarding mergemaster?

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On 13-Sep-99 Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 3:56 PM +0100 1999/9/13, Josef Karthauser wrote:
>       If I understand correctly (IIUC?), it basically creates a 
> tripwire-like database of files, names, etc..., and continues to 
> track whatever changes may be made in your configuration versus the 
> database it initially builds.

        You misunderstand slightly. What it does is install the default
configuration (from /usr/src) in a safe place and then compares it with
your installed configuration. For each file you get the options you
describe:

>       When you run it again, you're given the option of taking the
new 
> file, deleting the new file, merging the changes between them, or 
> leaving it for handling manually.
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On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:17:19 +0100, "Greg Quinlan" wrote:

> I only have ftpd & telnetd in my inetd.conf
> 
> ntalkd is "#"-ed

That's why it's not "working".  Uncomment the ntalkd line in
/etc/inetd.conf, kill and restart inetd. If you're using 3.2-RELEASE,
you really do need to kill and restart inetd -- don't just HUP it.

Also, if you're using something more recent than 3.2-RELEASE, you may be
wrapping ntalkd out.

Ciao,
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Brad Knowles wrote:
> 
>         If I understand correctly (IIUC?), it basically creates a
> tripwire-like database of files, names, etc..., and continues to
> track whatever changes may be made in your configuration versus the
> database it initially builds.

Err... no. At least not until the last version I saw. :-)

It just makes /etc in an alternate directory, compares it's results
to what you currently have, skip identical files and files with same
cvs tag, and ask you how to deal with each of the remaining files.

>         In this context, it doesn't seem to buy you much of anything if
> you were stupid enough to cvsup before you ran the program the first
> time, right?  I mean, you need to get that tripwire-like database

Nope. There is no database, and things are compared to what you
*have* in /etc, which is very different from what you get from
cvsup. Which is the whole point. If you /etc was identical from the
original /usr/src/etc, then you could simply always overwrite the
newer /usr/src/etc over it.

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On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:41:26 MST, Doug wrote:

> 	Usually I'd wait longer for a response from Sheldon, but since we're so
> close to the release....

Doug and I have been discussing this off the list. Here's the relevant
stuff from the last message I sent him.

| That's right. TCP Wrappers uses auth. The log (-l) option uses
| daemon.info .  I see what's happened. 
| 
| When TCP Wrappers was incorporated, the correct facility for TCP
| Wrappers was chosen.  Connections logged with the -l option continued
| to be logged under the previous facility so as not to break backward
| compatibility. The result? A program which is incostistent with itself.
| Don't you love 'em.
| 
| Probably, the best option is to clearly document in the manpage the
| different levels used and the historical reasons behind the difference.

Ciao,
Sheldon.


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On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:02:17 -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote:

> Are you sure you want 
> *default tag=.

Read his files more closely. He only sets tag=. for ports and doc,
neither of which are branched.

In fact, his supfiles looked fine.

His report looked much more like a problem with stale objects from a
broken kernel build.

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Kenn Martin wrote:
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> Jordan wanted to know if the Power Pak had been seen at any CompUSA
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I visited CompUSA in central New Jersey (Springfield) this past
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----- Original Message -----
From: Ruslan Ermilov <ru@ucb.crimea.ua>
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> On Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 12:17:19PM +0100, Greg Quinlan wrote:
> > Nope!
> >
> > I only have ftpd & telnetd in my inetd.conf
> >
> > ntalkd is "#"-ed
> >
> > Greg
>
> Grrr, so uncomment it and try again!


Sorry I was responding to a previous e-mail that indicated I should have it
commented out. So I gather it should not be commented out......Anyway after
all that, it still does not work.

I have this in my /etc/inetd.conf file:

ntalk dgram udp wait tty:tty /usr/libexec/ntalkd ntalkd

- I have cvs-ed up as of today

- done a; make buildworld && make installworld

- remade the kernel!!!

- rebooted.....

- checked the group permissions on the respective ttys are correct "tty"

Still does not work !!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway if it doesn't work ....well... it must be something I'm doing
wrong...


Greg



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Mike Tancsa <mike@sentex.net> writes:
> Are you sure you want 
> *default tag=.

Yes, Brad's supfile is entirely correct.

> Also, you will need to monitor and merge the changes in /etc. 
> 
> You dont mention anything about that.

It is not relevant to his problem.

> Its probably safer if you do a 
> config -r HOST to remove the old cruft in your compile directory, or
> rm -R ../../compile/HOST
> config HOST
> cd ../../compile/HOST
> make depend;make

Probably won't make a difference.

Brad, you forgot the most important part: your kernel config...

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Subject: Re: Building new kernel fails?
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From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no>
Date: 13 Sep 1999 18:20:00 +0200
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Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be> writes:
> 	Anybody know if this is documented anywhere in the Handbook or on 
> the mailing lists?  I did some searches, but didn't turn up anything.

'man config'.

BTW, a simple 'make clean' in the kernel build dir would probably have
been enough. My guess is that some of the object files had an
incorrect timestamp (is your clock set correctly? you should consider
using ntpdate or xntpd to sync your clock) and you ended up with
false-positive up-to-date checks.

DES
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"Greg Quinlan" <Greg.Quinlan@swlct.sthames.nhs.uk> writes:

> I have this in my /etc/inetd.conf file:
> 
> ntalk dgram udp wait tty:tty /usr/libexec/ntalkd ntalkd

> Still does not work !!!!!!!!!!!!

Are the others network services ok ?

Have you a /etc/hosts.allow ? What are its contents ?

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Did somebody break which?

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 > We have 10 full days of testing left, so let's try and make
 > 3.3-RELEASE the best one yet!  Any problem reports directly to me
 > please, thanks!

Hi, I don't know why this happens:

Script started on Sun Sep 12 23:04:01 1999
[1] solling:root ~ # /bin/ls -l /usr/local/bin/elm /usr/local/bin/tin
- -rwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  369928 Sep 12 06:53 /usr/local/bin/elm
- -rwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  373264 Sep 12 21:50 /usr/local/bin/tin
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/usr/local/bin/elm

I'm using 3.3-RC of today.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Jacoboni <jaco@titine.fr.eu.org>

> Are the others network services ok ?
>
> Have you a /etc/hosts.allow ? What are its contents ?
>

Yes! (sendmail, telnet, ftp, pop3.....)

I have just tried it on a 3.2S box I have here ... that is... two local
users trying to talk and it doesn't work either.

I have a /etc/hosts.allow but it is bulk-standard (as per the
installation)!!

I'm sure if anyone has it working for two local users then it must be OK,
and it is just something I am doing wrong.

Greg





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On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:47:34 +0100, "Greg Quinlan" wrote:

> I'm sure if anyone has it working for two local users then it must be OK,
> and it is just something I am doing wrong.

Did you kill and restart inetd as I suggested?

Ciao,
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At 06:16 PM 9/13/99 +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:
>Mike Tancsa <mike@sentex.net> writes:
>Yes, Brad's supfile is entirely correct.
>
>> Also, you will need to monitor and merge the changes in /etc. 
>> 
>> You dont mention anything about that.
>
>It is not relevant to his problem.
>
>> Its probably safer if you do a 
>> config -r HOST to remove the old cruft in your compile directory, or
>> rm -R ../../compile/HOST
>> config HOST
>> cd ../../compile/HOST
>> make depend;make
>
>Probably won't make a difference.

I think it did in this case (at least he indicated in a followup email). It
seems to have been old cruft in his compile directory. As for the changes
in /etc, this will eventually cause problems no ? e.g. /etc/mtree changes

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"Greg Quinlan" <Greg.Quinlan@swlct.sthames.nhs.uk> writes:

> I have a /etc/hosts.allow but it is bulk-standard (as per the
> installation)!!

You will have to edit it... the bulk one is not ok for your own box ! 
At least, rename it /etc/hosts.allow.orig in order to disable tcp
wrappers... try your services, then write your own /etc/hosts.allow.


> I'm sure if anyone has it working for two local users then it must be OK,
> and it is just something I am doing wrong.

My tests was between two hosts on the same LAN and all was ok.

I've just tested on _one_ box (a user logged on ttyv1, the other on
ttyv2) and it's still ok (providing both have done a 'mesg y').

You have tried w/o X, don't you ?

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On 13 Sep 1999 18:59:55 +0200, Eric Jacoboni wrote:

> You will have to edit it... the bulk one is not ok for your own box ! 
> At least, rename it /etc/hosts.allow.orig in order to disable tcp
> wrappers... try your services, then write your own /etc/hosts.allow.

Oi! You're spreading misinformation here. :-(

Removing hosts.allow doesn't disable TCP Wrappers. Rather, for wrapped
applications, it causes _all_ wrapped services to be denied.

He's quite right to leave his hosts.allow alone for this particular
problem -- it's got nothing to do with the hassle he's having.

Ciao,
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At 4:16 PM +0100 1999/9/13, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:

>         You misunderstand slightly. What it does is install the default
> configuration (from /usr/src) in a safe place and then compares it with
> your installed configuration. For each file you get the options you
> describe:

	I have since run mergemaster, and most of the changes were just 
the expected "$FreeBSD" tags, etc....  There were a very few things 
that had "real" changes to them, and I was able to use the built-in 
"merge" method to deal with them and selected either the RHS or LHS 
as appropriate.

	I think I should be pretty much completely up-to-date as of the 
version of 3.3RC that I cvsup'ed last night.


	I'm now starting my configuration and usage of vinum, and 
stress-testing of the logical volumes with Greg's rawio plus my own 
"driver" script that calls rawio with a couple of nested loops 
varying things like number of simultaneous processes and average 
transfer sizes, etc....  I may combine this with other tests such as 
bonnie, etc... once I get an OS installed on the volumes.

	Of course, when I'm done with this process I'll contribute the 
test results back to Greg, and if there's enough interest I may post 
a web page somewhere that summarizes all the testing I've done 
(including previous tests with a Pentium III @ 450Mhz w/ 1MB L2 
cache, and four IBM UltraStar 9LZX drives in various 
mirrored/striped/mirrored+striped/RAID-5 configurations under vinum, 
as well as comparable configurations with a DPT SmartRAID IV 
controller with 64MB of on-board cache).


	Thanks everyone for all your help!  I think I'm beginning to 
maybe understand some of this stuff a little bit better....  Perhaps 
after I've gotten more experience, I'll be able to make actual useful 
contributions, etc....

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----- Original Message -----
From: Ruslan Ermilov <ru@ucb.crimea.ua>
To: Jay Oliver <kythorn@scorched.com>
Cc: <freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG>; <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: FreeBSD 3.3RC is crashing when using natd.


> On Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 03:48:23AM -0400, Jay Oliver wrote:
> > I have recently cvsup'd to 3.3RC, and just today started using natd on
that
> > machine. Overall, this went quite well, but I have one issue that I
cannot
> > seem to resolve by myself.
> >
> > Starting with the reboot after I had edited /etc/rc.conf and re-compiled
my
> > kernel for natd (IPDIVERT and IPFIREWALL options) I started getting
> > spontaneous reboots.  There is no /core after these, nor is there a
stack
> > dump of any sort resulting from this.  The only output produced at all
is a
> > scant two or three lines:
> >
> > Panic: sbappendaddr
> > Automatic reboot in 15 seconds
> > Syncing disks...
> >
> > With the lack of a core or stack dump, I don't know what information I
can
> > provide to shed further light on this issue.  The machine itself is a
simple
> > enough pentium 166 with 32 megs of ram.  The ethernet cards I am using
are
> > both Linksys LNE100TX's, using the "pn" device driver. Currently pn0 is
> > connected to the hub for my LAN, and pn1 is connected to my ADSL modem.
I
> > have tried switching the cables and then switching the ifconfig's, etc
in
> > /etc/rc.conf, but the reboots still are happening. I previously had one
of
> > these cards in the FreeBSD machine, and was doing the NAT via a Win98
> > machine, this configuration ran without a hitch (On the FreeBSD end of
> > things anyway, heh) for over a month, and also ran fine for the past
couple
> > days since I went to 3.3RC.  The reboots themselves don't appear to have
any
> > rhyme or reason behind them, at least to me, as I FTP'd several hundred
megs
> > over the course of a few hours without a problem, and then had one of
these
> > reboots while checking my email (from a different machine, in both
cases).
> >
> > I shall be more than happy to provide any further information that will
help
> > shed light on this subject, it has completely baffled me.
> >
> Could you please turn on the kernel debugger (DDB)?
>
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I experienced a panic while in kernel debug mode (boot -d).  The output of a
trace is as follows:

Debugger(c02a0dbb,c3286f00,c050f880,c33f5f50,c017f4d7) at Debugger+0x42
panic(c02a23d2,c3286f00,c050f880,820f144,c33f5f70) at panic+0x74
sbappendaddr(c3286f44,c02f9630,c050f880,0) at sbappendaddr+0x2b
div_input(c050f880,14,c050f880,8169bc,820f144 at div_input+0x12a
ip_input(c050f880) at ip_input+0x69f
ipintr(c024dab3,0,27,27,820f144) at ipintr+0x4b
swi_net_next() at swi_net_next

I hope this helps somewhat.  If I was supposed to issue other commands at
the db> prompt, please inform me of such, and I will gladly do so, I
apologize for having no previous debugging experience.

Is there anyway to get this output I have placed above dumped somewhere?  I
manually typed that into another machine while experiencing the panic, and I
will admit, I made a few mistakes the first pass.  It took me a second pass
to be sure it was correct (damn those f5f's), but I am 100% certain at this
time that it is exactly what was displayed as the output of trace at the
prompt db>

- Jay Oliver
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Hi,

On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Greg Quinlan wrote:

> Yes! (sendmail, telnet, ftp, pop3.....)
> 
> I have just tried it on a 3.2S box I have here ... that is... two local
> users trying to talk and it doesn't work either.

quick question (referencing from an email I already deleted)

Do you have a user and group tty?  I had this problem once and I hadn't
merged /etc/passwd with /usr/src/etc/passwd (this machine had been
upgraded from 2.1.7 to 3.2 over the years) and I didn't have a user tty so
talk was failing.

Brett
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Mon Sep 13 10:38:37 1999
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	Hello,

	recently I read some information about future release of 3.3
(stable, not RC) in this mailing list, but I can't find it in
archives.

	Can you tell me please, when this release is planned to be
issued? I want completely reinstall my disk at home and I don't know
whether should I use latest 3.2 or wait for 3.3. I don't have Internet
at home, so I can't easily upgrade.

	Will 3.3 be ,,more stable'' than 3.2? Could you advise me
whether shall I install 3.2 of 3.3? (possibly 3.3RC?)

	Is there a place where I can normally find when new releases
are planned? I would think that ``News flash'' section on
www.freebsd.org could provide this information, but I didn't find it
there.

	Thank you very much, Jan.

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Barring any major code base problems, 3.3 is suppose to go "live" September
15th 1999.


At 07:38 PM 9/13/99 +0200, Jan Pechanec wrote:
>
>	Hello,
>
>	recently I read some information about future release of 3.3
>(stable, not RC) in this mailing list, but I can't find it in
>archives.
>
>	Can you tell me please, when this release is planned to be
>issued? I want completely reinstall my disk at home and I don't know
>whether should I use latest 3.2 or wait for 3.3. I don't have Internet
>at home, so I can't easily upgrade.
>
>	Will 3.3 be ,,more stable'' than 3.2? Could you advise me
>whether shall I install 3.2 of 3.3? (possibly 3.3RC?)
>
>	Is there a place where I can normally find when new releases
>are planned? I would think that ``News flash'' section on
>www.freebsd.org could provide this information, but I didn't find it
>there.
>
>	Thank you very much, Jan.
>
>-- 
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>Computing Center CTU (Zikova 4, Praha 6, 166 35, Czech Republic)
>http://www.civ.cvut.cz, tel: +420 2 2435 2969, http://pechy.civ.cvut.cz
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I visited the local CompUSA in Manhattan yesterday and was pleased to see
4 copies of the PowerPak spanning 2 shelves.  Someone had obscured the top
stack of 2 with a copy of Red Hat, but I quickly remedied the problem and
moved the lower boxes to the top shelf (for easy visibility), right next
to the price/description label.  $49.95.

SB

On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Gary T. Corcoran wrote:

> 
> Kenn Martin wrote:
> > 
> > Jordan wanted to know if the Power Pak had been seen at any CompUSA
> > stores outside of California.
> 
> I visited CompUSA in central New Jersey (Springfield) this past
> weekend and found 2 copies of the FreeBSD PowerPak on the shelf.
> The shelf price was marked as $59.99, but it was apparently on
> sale for $49.99, as that's how it rang up.  I'm guessing that
> was just the sale price for last week.  Even so, $59.99 as a
> regular price isn't bad...
> 
> Gary
> 
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Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@uunet.co.za> writes:

> > At least, rename it /etc/hosts.allow.orig in order to disable tcp
> > wrappers... try your services, then write your own /etc/hosts.allow.
> 
> Oi! You're spreading misinformation here. :-(
> 
> Removing hosts.allow doesn't disable TCP Wrappers. Rather, for wrapped
> applications, it causes _all_ wrapped services to be denied.

As far as hosts_access(5) is up to date :

       "A  non-existing  access  control  file is treated as if it
       were an empty file. Thus, access control can be turned off
       by providing no access control files."

That's exactly what i wanted to say... sorry if i was unclear.

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On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Brett Taylor wrote:

> Do you have a user and group tty?  I had this problem once and I hadn't
> merged /etc/passwd with /usr/src/etc/passwd

	Not to hijack this thread, but you really don't want to merge
those two files. You want to merge the master.passwd files, then do
'pwd_mkdb -p' to rebuild your databases and /etc/passwd file. The latest
version of mergemaster (avail. in the ports) does this for you, and
reminds you to do the pwd_mkdb at the end. 

HTH,

Doug
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----- Original Message -----
From: Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@uunet.co.za>

> Did you kill and restart inetd as I suggested?
>
> Ciao,
> Sheldon.

Absolutely!
I waited for a quiet time, and I restarted the machine, just to be sure!!

Still not working... let me look into a bit, I will let "the list" know!
(coz this thread is getting out of control...especially when I receive
everything twice :) ie. don't cc me ..

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Well, I think this little problem would be easy to solve, the only problem
is I don't know how.

Some time ago I upgrade my 2.2.6 system to 3.2-STABLE, but I still have
all the build in /usr/obj. Now I want to mount this box /usr/src and
/usr/obj onto another box I also want to upgrade. The mounting works fine,
I mounted them on the remote machine also in /usr/src and /usr/obj, but
when I fired make aout-to-elf-install the script works just displaying
that the system has been finally upgraded and suggest to reboot the
system.
I guess this behaviour is normal, I just need to know how to avoid it and
perform the upgrade on the remote machine taking advantage of the previous
build process.

Thanks in advance.


______________________________
Mr. Eliezer Rodriguez Gonzalez
Net Manager & Sys Admin
CEISIC. Ministry of Culture
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In message <01e901befe03$853124e0$5214010a@swlct.sthames.nhs.uk> "Greg Quinlan" writes:
: Still does not work !!!!!!!!!!!!
: 
: Anyway if it doesn't work ....well... it must be something I'm doing
: wrong...

Error messages.  Can't do anything w/o error messages.

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In message <Pine.SGI.4.05.9909131932090.26078-100000@akat.civ.cvut.cz> Jan Pechanec writes:
: 	Will 3.3 be ,,more stable'' than 3.2? Could you advise me
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Yes.  3.2 is less stable and secure than 3.3.

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As I recall, Seth wrote:
> I visited the local CompUSA in Manhattan yesterday and was pleased to see
> 4 copies of the PowerPak spanning 2 shelves.  Someone had obscured the top
> stack of 2 with a copy of Red Hat, but I quickly remedied the problem and
> moved the lower boxes to the top shelf (for easy visibility), right next
> to the price/description label.  $49.95.
> 
> SB
> 
> On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Gary T. Corcoran wrote:
> > Kenn Martin wrote:
> > > Jordan wanted to know if the Power Pak had been seen at any CompUSA
> > > stores outside of California.
> > 
> > I visited CompUSA in central New Jersey (Springfield) this past
> > weekend and found 2 copies of the FreeBSD PowerPak on the shelf.
> > The shelf price was marked as $59.99, but it was apparently on
> > sale for $49.99, as that's how it rang up.  I'm guessing that
> > was just the sale price for last week.  Even so, $59.99 as a
> > regular price isn't bad...

All the Phoenix stores got deliveries this week (about 3 per store).
They have a $49.95 price on the shelf, but the clerk tried to ring
them up at $59.95.  They corrected that when I pointed out the shelf
label.  The $50 was a sale price, $60 will be the regular price.

Any of our Walnut Creek friends know what CompUSA pays for those
things?  Seems to me they're running on a pretty thin margin there.
But I love FreeBSD being in the distrbution channel.

Also, advice to Walnut Creek.  It's not possible to tell what
version of the goodies are in the box without opening it.  The
glossy box cover just says "latest versions" (in the star on the
upper right-hand corner).  That's gonna be a problem in the future
for anyone who decides to keep current by buying a new box, or when
recommending to a friend.

If the purpose of being vague on the box was to keep production
costs down, how about a sticker where that star lives?  If being
vague was to keep inventory from aging, well...

	-crl
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On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Chad R. Larson wrote:

> Also, advice to Walnut Creek.  It's not possible to tell what
> version of the goodies are in the box without opening it.  The
> glossy box cover just says "latest versions" (in the star on the
> upper right-hand corner).  That's gonna be a problem in the future
> for anyone who decides to keep current by buying a new box, or when
> recommending to a friend.

Yup!  I forgot to mention this in my last email.  This is a problem for
newbies... they don't know what versions they're getting unless they look
at the date on CompUSA's price tag ('6/99 Ed' or something like that --
even then, it's not specific.)  I wasn't even sure myself.  What happens
after 15 Sept (assuming 3.3-R comes out) and the items in the box AREN'T
"latest version"?

SB



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From: Kris Kennaway <kris@hub.freebsd.org>
To: Anders Andersson <anders@sanyusan.se>
Cc: "Chad R. Larson" <chad@DCFinc.com>, stable@FreeBSD.ORG
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On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, Anders Andersson wrote:

> Peter Wemm only changed the $Id$ strings to be $FreeBSD$, so yes it is
> safe to 'make world'.
> 
> Peter Wemm only chanhed this, not something that you would gain from a
> make world.

There have been a couple of security/bug fixes in 2.2 in the past month or
so, though, so if you haven't made world in a while you might like to
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On 13-Sep-99 Sheldon Hearn wrote:
>  That's why it's not "working".  Uncomment the ntalkd line in
>  /etc/inetd.conf, kill and restart inetd. If you're using 3.2-RELEASE,
>  you really do need to kill and restart inetd -- don't just HUP it.

Why is restarting it necessary? The man page doesn't say anything to that
effect.

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The CompUSA store in Westminster Colorado sold out all there copies.
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Mon Sep 13 19:11:47 1999
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hello,

I'm having some trouble getting -stable to boot with an Intel CA810
motherboard.  During the boot process the kernel hangs after detecting the
math coprocessor.  I can however boot up fine with -current.  Has anyone
else come across this problem?  Anyone have any ideas as to how to resolve
this?  I've run out of ideas.

Please let me know if you require more information.

-Jesse
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On Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 09:15:17PM +0100, Greg Quinlan wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@uunet.co.za>
> 
> > Did you kill and restart inetd as I suggested?
> >
> > Ciao,
> > Sheldon.
> 
> Absolutely!
> I waited for a quiet time, and I restarted the machine, just to be sure!!
> 
> Still not working... let me look into a bit, I will let "the list" know!
> (coz this thread is getting out of control...especially when I receive
> everything twice :) ie. don't cc me ..

Procmail is your friend ;-)

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Kenn Martin <kmartin@infoteam.com> probably said:
> Procmail is your friend ;-)
> 
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Not to drag the thread off sideways, but that method is a really
bad plan. Messageids are not always unique (there are several M[UT]As
that have been shown to not produce unique ids).

If you want to try and remove dups from mail (which isn't a good
plan in general) you need to work on hashes of message contents or
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P.

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On Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 11:17:33PM -0400, Peter Radcliffe wrote:
> Kenn Martin <kmartin@infoteam.com> probably said:
> > Procmail is your friend ;-)
> > 
> >  ### remove duplicate messages
> >  ###
> >  :0 Wh: msgid.lock
> >  | formail -D 32768 $HOME/.tmp/msgid.cache
> 
> Not to drag the thread off sideways, but that method is a really
> bad plan. Messageids are not always unique (there are several M[UT]As
> that have been shown to not produce unique ids).
> 
> If you want to try and remove dups from mail (which isn't a good
> plan in general) you need to work on hashes of message contents or
> similar.

In theory, you are correct.  In practice, the above rule works wonders.

kenn



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This thread is no longer really applicable to 
the freebsd-stable mailing list. It's much
more appropriate for freebsd-questions
or even via private email.




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In the lint file for 3.3-RC it says the following:

# ep: 3Com 3C509 (buggy)

But I see the driver for the card hasn't been modified in 
quite some time.
 *      if_ep.c,v 1.19 1995/01/24 20:53:45 davidg Exp

Is the lint file just out of date? or is the NIC buggy? 
the driver buggy? We are using the card in my apartment, 
and I haven't seen any evidence of bugs yet.

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> > Procmail is your friend ;-)
> > 
> >  ### remove duplicate messages
> >  ###
> >  :0 Wh: msgid.lock
> >  | formail -D 32768 $HOME/.tmp/msgid.cache
> 
> Not to drag the thread off sideways, but that method is a really
> bad plan.

Maybe, but I've been using it for 3 years now, and I *rarely* get
duplicates.  Probably less than a hundred in the time period, and I've
got well over a million mail messages that have gone through my system,
and it's removed thousands of duplicates.

> If you want to try and remove dups from mail (which isn't a good
> plan in general) you need to work on hashes of message contents or
> similar.

It's a great idea, because it actually works to remove *only*
duplicates.  Otherwise, you stand a chance of losing real email.

(Most duplicates are caused from x-posting and such, and procmail does a
*really* good job of removing the duplicates, regardless of what the
mail program is doing...)



Nate


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$grep $Id /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/if_ep.c
*  $Id: if_ep.c,v 1.78.2.1 1999/04/13 13:31:23 ghelmer Exp $
$
is what I show in the latest CVSUP



At 01:44 PM 9/11/99 -0700, Sameer R. Manek wrote:
>In the lint file for 3.3-RC it says the following:
>
># ep: 3Com 3C509 (buggy)
>
>But I see the driver for the card hasn't been modified in 
>quite some time.
> *      if_ep.c,v 1.19 1995/01/24 20:53:45 davidg Exp
>
>Is the lint file just out of date? or is the NIC buggy? 
>the driver buggy? We are using the card in my apartment, 
>and I haven't seen any evidence of bugs yet.
>
>Sameer
>
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Peter Radcliffe wrote:
> 
> Kenn Martin <kmartin@infoteam.com> probably said:
> > Procmail is your friend ;-)
> >
> >  ### remove duplicate messages
> >  ###
> >  :0 Wh: msgid.lock
> >  | formail -D 32768 $HOME/.tmp/msgid.cache
> 
> Not to drag the thread off sideways, but that method is a really
> bad plan. Messageids are not always unique 

	Given that they are required by RFC 822 to be unique, any MTA that doesn't
generate unique ID's is highly suspect.

Doug


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On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:33:27 MST, Kris Kennaway wrote:

> Why do you need to kill and restart it? Doing a HUP is the standard way to
> cause reprocessing of config files, so why has this changed?

It hasn't, but inetd in 3.2-RELEASE had a bug that scrambled its configuration
on HUP.  Naturally, it's been fixed since then. :-)

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In message <XFMail.990914100233.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> "Daniel O'Connor" writes:
: Why is restarting it necessary? The man page doesn't say anything to that
: effect.

     The inetd program rereads its configuration file when it receives a
     hangup signal, SIGHUP. Services may be added, deleted or modified when
     the configuration file is reread.  Except when started in debugging mode,
     inetd records its process ID in the file /var/run/inetd.pid to assist in
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On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:21:50 CST, Warner Losh wrote:

>      The inetd program rereads its configuration file when it receives
>      a hangup signal, SIGHUP. Services may be added, deleted or
>      modified when the configuration file is reread.  Except when
>      started in debugging mode, inetd records its process ID in the
>      file /var/run/inetd.pid to assist in reconfiguration.

Actually, in this case it's more to do with a bug that I happen to know
was present in 3.2-RELEASE, where inetd misread its configuration on
HUP.

Ciao,
Sheldon.


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On 14-Sep-99 Warner Losh wrote:
>  In message <XFMail.990914100233.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> "Daniel O'Connor"
>  writes:
> : Why is restarting it necessary? The man page doesn't say anything to that
> : effect.
>       The inetd program rereads its configuration file when it receives a
>       hangup signal, SIGHUP. Services may be added, deleted or modified when
>       the configuration file is reread.  Except when started in debugging
>       inetd records its process ID in the file /var/run/inetd.pid to assist
>       reconfiguration.

Restart != HUP

Sheldon said that inetd had to be killed and restarted for the changed to take
effect (ie a HUP wouldn't work). He later explained that it was because the
inetd in 3.2-RELEASE scrambles its conf file when it is HUP'd.

Maybe this commit message is it..

----------------------------
revision 1.9
date: 1999/06/17 09:16:06;  author: sheldonh;  state: Exp;  lines: +2 -2
Various fixes for inetd's TCP Wrappers support:

        1) Handle forking and non-forking internal services correctly.
           Turn on wrapping for internal services because it works now.
        2) Preserve server names for each service on HUP.
        3) Honour hosts_options(5) severity option.
        4) Add IMPLEMENTATION NOTES section to clarify TCP Wrappers
           usage and limitations.

This change may cause previously allowed builtin services (e.g. daytime)
to be denied in existing configurations.

PR:     12097
Reviewed by:    markm
1)
Reported by:    Pierre Beyssac <pb@fasterix.freenix.org>
2)
Submitted by:   Masachika ISHIZUKA <ishizuka@ish.org>
3)
Submitted by:   David Malone <dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie>
----------------------------

---
Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer
for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au
"The nice thing about standards is that there
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> All the Phoenix stores got deliveries this week (about 3 per store).
> They have a $49.95 price on the shelf, but the clerk tried to ring
> them up at $59.95.  They corrected that when I pointed out the shelf
> label.  The $50 was a sale price, $60 will be the regular price.

Yep, as I suspected, it was definitely a one-time deal. :)

> Also, advice to Walnut Creek.  It's not possible to tell what
> version of the goodies are in the box without opening it.  The

This will be rectified when the update (3.3 + new toolkit) is
released.  You'll see which versions of everything are inside the box,
first probably as a big sticker and then later as a whole new box for
each product update (perhaps even for this one, I'm really not sure
how it's going to go yet, but either way you'll know which version
you're getting without having to tear plastic :).

And as to when you'll see this product, I'm just can't say yet because
I honesly have no idea how long it's going to take to "percolate" all
the way to the individual stores.  We're still gaining experience with
this whole channel thing...  Certainly no sooner than October, in any
case, since it'll take that long just to get the CDs back and uncrated
in the warehouse.

- Jordan


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Hi,
I have a custom data acquisition system here which runs FreeBSD (yay!).
It used to be 2.2.8+CAM, but I am pushing to make our new setup run 3-STABLE.

I upgraded a machine here, and after that our custom PCI card stopped working
properly. I fixed this by going into the BIOS and changing the option labelled
'PCI Device Search Order' from 'First-Last' to 'Last-First'. The problem can
also be fixed by swapping the network card and custom DA card around.

The problem appears to be that the interrupt handler (at least) is never
called. (I can tell because a printf I placed in the interrupt handler doesn't
do anything)

I would assume its a BIOS/mobo bug but the exact same setup worked fine in
2.2.8+CAM.

This is a Supermicro P6SBS (Intel 440BX chipset) with 128meg of RAM and a
PII-450.

The card order in the slots is Dec21143, Nothing, Custom DA card, S3 Virge DX.
(From 1 to 4)

There is one difference in the dmesg's which illustrates that the BIOS set the
cards up slightly differently, ie
The non working setup ->
Working around PLX bug for PCIBAR0
Working around PLX bug for PCIBAR1
gsio0: LCR at 0xe080, I/O at 0xefa0, memory at 0xc581c000

And the working setup ->
Working around PLX bug for PCIBAR0
gsio0: LCR at 0xec00, I/O at 0xefa0, memory at 0xc581c000

The LCR is a region of registers to control the PLX 9050 chip we use to do the
PCI goo, the I/O region is a region we use to control the hardware which
is memory mapped.

The 'PLX bug' is a problem in the PLX chip such that if bit 7 of the address is
set then the chip will not allow the bus master to read from that region (oops).

So basically my question is, has anyone seen this sort of behaviour before?

---
Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer
for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au
"The nice thing about standards is that there
are so many of them to choose from."
  -- Andrew Tanenbaum

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Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc.
Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
	The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 3.3-RC #2: Tue Sep 14 14:08:32 CST 1999
    root@test2.gsoft.com.au:/local0/src/sys/compile/GENESIS
Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
CPU: Pentium III (451.03-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x672  Stepping = 2
  Features=0x387fbff<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CM
OV,PAT,PSE36,<b18>,MMX,FXSR,<b25>>
real memory  = 134217728 (131072K bytes)
config> di lnc0
No such device: lnc0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di le0
No such device: le0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di ie0
No such device: ie0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di fe0
No such device: fe0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di ex0
No such device: ex0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di ep0
No such device: ep0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di ed0
No such device: ed0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di cs0
No such device: cs0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di wt0
No such device: wt0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di scd0
No such device: scd0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di mcd0
No such device: mcd0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di matcd0
No such device: matcd0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di bt0
No such device: bt0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di aha0
No such device: aha0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di adv0
No such device: adv0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> q
avail memory = 127619072 (124628K bytes)
Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02a3000.
Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc02a309c.
Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled
Probing for devices on PCI bus 0:
chip0: <Intel 82443BX host to PCI bridge> rev 0x02 on pci0.0.0
chip1: <Intel 82443BX host to AGP bridge> rev 0x02 on pci0.1.0
chip2: <Intel 82371AB PCI to ISA bridge> rev 0x02 on pci0.7.0
ide_pci0: <Intel PIIX4 Bus-master IDE controller> rev 0x01 on pci0.7.1
chip3: <Intel 82371AB Power management controller> rev 0x02 on pci0.7.3
ahc0: <Adaptec aic7895 Ultra SCSI adapter> rev 0x04 int a irq 9 on pci0.14.0
ahc0: aic7895 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs
ahc1: <Adaptec aic7895 Ultra SCSI adapter> rev 0x04 int b irq 9 on pci0.14.1
ahc1: aic7895 Wide Channel B, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs
de0: <Digital 21143 Fast Ethernet> rev 0x41 int a irq 9 on pci0.15.0
de0: 21143 [10-100Mb/s] pass 4.1 (invalid EESPROM checksum)
de0: address 00:40:c7:99:2d:71
gsio0: <Genesis Software I/O adapter> rev 0x01 int a irq 5 on pci0.18.0
gsio sc structure is at 0xc0c94000 and has size 49228
Working around PLX bug for PCIBAR0
gsio0: LCR at 0xec00, I/O at 0xefa0, memory at 0xc581c000
vga0: <S3 Trio 64 graphics accelerator> rev 0x16 int a irq 11 on pci0.20.0
Probing for devices on PCI bus 1:
Probing for PnP devices:
Probing for devices on the ISA bus:
sc0 on isa
sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0>
atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard
atkbd0 irq 1 on isa
psm0 irq 12 on isa
psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0
sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa
sio0: type 16550A
sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa
sio1: type 16550A
ppc0 at 0x378 irq 7 on isa
ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
lpt0: <generic printer> on ppbus 0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
wdc0 not found at 0x1f0
wdc1 not found at 0x170
fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in
vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa
npx0 on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
apm0 on isa
apm: found APM BIOS version 1.2
mdsio0: configured irq 10 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0xc0236150
mdsio0 at 0x3e8-0x3ef irq 10 on isa
mdsio0: type 16550A, 4-wire mode, automatic transmit control.
ccd0-3: Concatenated disk drivers
Waiting 2 seconds for SCSI devices to settle
de0: enabling 10baseT port
changing root device to da0s1a
cd0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0
cd0: <MATSHITA CD-R   CW-7503 1.04> Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device 
cd0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8)
cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present - tray c
losed
da0 at ahc1 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
da0: <WDIGTL WDE9180 ULTRA2 1.30> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit)
da0: 8727MB (17873040 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1112C)
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Start pid=3 <vmdaemon>
Start pid=4 <syncer>

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From owner-freebsd-stable  Tue Sep 14  0:21:57 1999
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Subject: RE: 3.3-RC and 3com 509 Driver 
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Opps i stand corrected I do have the same code you have, I just
cut and paste the wrong line. It just uses the FreeBSD tag now
instead of $Id

* $FreeBSD: src/sys/i386/isa/if_ep.c,v 1.78.2.3 1999/08/29 16:07:20 peter
Exp $

In either case, my original question still stands. Is the 3com 509
driver buggy? If so what's wrong with it? I haven't noticed any bugs
so far.

Sameer

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darcy Buskermolen [mailto:darcy@ok-connect.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 8:59 PM
> To: Sameer R. Manek; freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; hpeyerl@novatel.ca
> Subject: Re: 3.3-RC and 3com 509 Driver
>
>
> $grep $Id /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/if_ep.c
> *  $Id: if_ep.c,v 1.78.2.1 1999/04/13 13:31:23 ghelmer Exp $
> $
> is what I show in the latest CVSUP
>
>
>
> At 01:44 PM 9/11/99 -0700, Sameer R. Manek wrote:
> >In the lint file for 3.3-RC it says the following:
> >
> ># ep: 3Com 3C509 (buggy)
> >
> >But I see the driver for the card hasn't been modified in
> >quite some time.
> > *      if_ep.c,v 1.19 1995/01/24 20:53:45 davidg Exp
> >
> >Is the lint file just out of date? or is the NIC buggy?
> >the driver buggy? We are using the card in my apartment,
> >and I haven't seen any evidence of bugs yet.
> >
> >Sameer
> >
> >
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Mike Tancsa <mike@sentex.net> writes:
> I think it did in this case (at least he indicated in a followup email). It
> seems to have been old cruft in his compile directory. As for the changes
> in /etc, this will eventually cause problems no ? e.g. /etc/mtree changes

The mtree specs in /etc/mtree aren't used by any part of the system,
and it's *still* not relevant to his problem.

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On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:37:59 -0400, Eliezer Rodriguez Gonzalez wrote:

> I guess this behaviour is normal, I just need to know how to avoid it
> and perform the upgrade on the remote machine taking advantage of the
> previous build process.

The problem is that you're doing something _very_ involved and delicate
when you upgrade from aout to elf. If you were just doing an upgrade
from, last week's STABLE to this week's STABLE, it'd be easy:

	On the box that hosts the source, do ``make buildworld''.

	Copy your obj tree to some backup, e.g.
		cp -pR /usr/obj /usr/obj.mint

	Export your obj tree and source tree to the hosts requiring
	upgrade as normal.

	You can now do ``make installworld'' from those hosts, one at at
	time. In between each ``make installworld'' that you perform on
	the hosts, you should copy the backup obj tree back to the
	exported tree, e.g.
		rm -rf /usr/obj/*
		chflags -R noschg /usr/obj
		rm -rf /usr/obj/*
		cp -pR /usr/obj.mint/* /usr/obj

This whole process of preserving the obj tree may not be necessary any
more. A long time ago, I heard that the ``installworld'' target messed
with some of the stuff in the obj tree. If you'd like to try skipping
the preservation steps, I'd appreciate feedback. :-)

Ciao,
Sheldon.


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From owner-freebsd-stable  Tue Sep 14  1:37: 9 1999
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Hi,

I just discovered on a number of different systems ranging from
3.1-RELEASE to 3.3-RC (cvsup + buildworld) and 4.0-SNAP (Mid August -
straight from FreeBSD FTP server) that GNU configure
identified the system as:

i386--freebsd3.1, ...3.3, ..4.0

But the usual test in configure scripts (e.g. Squid 2.2 from the port
collection) is with:

i386-unknown-freebsd*

which has to be forced with explicit configure args.

Where is the problem ? (me, FreeBSD, GNU configure, ...)

Claude Buisson



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It's been awhile since I tried one (well, not *that* long... 3.0-Release)
but I was seriously lagged (horrible ping responses to my gateway) and could
never download faster than 1k/s on my adsl connection. I even remember
having to maintain a constant ping to my gateway so that connections (IRC,
web, etc.) wouldn't time out. I now use 3Com's 905B-TX cards and they work
flawlessly.

"Sameer R. Manek" wrote:

> Opps i stand corrected I do have the same code you have, I just
> cut and paste the wrong line. It just uses the FreeBSD tag now
> instead of $Id
>
> * $FreeBSD: src/sys/i386/isa/if_ep.c,v 1.78.2.3 1999/08/29 16:07:20 peter
> Exp $
>
> In either case, my original question still stands. Is the 3com 509
> driver buggy? If so what's wrong with it? I haven't noticed any bugs
> so far.
>
> Sameer
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Darcy Buskermolen [mailto:darcy@ok-connect.com]
> > Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 8:59 PM
> > To: Sameer R. Manek; freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; hpeyerl@novatel.ca
> > Subject: Re: 3.3-RC and 3com 509 Driver
> >
> >
> > $grep $Id /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/if_ep.c
> > *  $Id: if_ep.c,v 1.78.2.1 1999/04/13 13:31:23 ghelmer Exp $
> > $
> > is what I show in the latest CVSUP
> >
> >
> >
> > At 01:44 PM 9/11/99 -0700, Sameer R. Manek wrote:
> > >In the lint file for 3.3-RC it says the following:
> > >
> > ># ep: 3Com 3C509 (buggy)
> > >
> > >But I see the driver for the card hasn't been modified in
> > >quite some time.
> > > *      if_ep.c,v 1.19 1995/01/24 20:53:45 davidg Exp
> > >
> > >Is the lint file just out of date? or is the NIC buggy?
> > >the driver buggy? We are using the card in my apartment,
> > >and I haven't seen any evidence of bugs yet.
> > >
> > >Sameer
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On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Yacine Benzine wrote:

> It's been awhile since I tried one (well, not *that* long... 3.0-Release)
> but I was seriously lagged (horrible ping responses to my gateway) and could
> never download faster than 1k/s on my adsl connection. I even remember
> having to maintain a constant ping to my gateway so that connections (IRC,
> web, etc.) wouldn't time out. I now use 3Com's 905B-TX cards and they work
> flawlessly.

I recently helped someone set up a FreeBSD nat gateway to his cable modem
line using an old 3c509 and it worked fine with the ep driver (after we
disabled pnp).

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>>>>> "Yacine" =3D=3D Yacine Benzine <yacine@bellatlantic.net> writes:

Yacine> It's been awhile since I tried one (well, not *that* long... 3.0-Re=
lease)
Yacine> but I was seriously lagged (horrible ping responses to my gateway) =
and could
Yacine> never download faster than 1k/s on my adsl connection.

Hmm, we have about a dozen of them in different environments work just =

fine.

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I have noticed that there is a new entry in the /etc/defaults/rc.conf
"firewall_script=/etc/rc.firewall", would it be advisable to have the
default location for the firewall script as "/etc/defaults/rc.firewall"
rather than "/etc/rc.firewall." Some people who have already customized
their "/etc/rc.firewall" script and will feel confident that it will not be
overwritten by and upgrade. Those doing a fresh install we not be effected
either. :)

Please?


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	I use this driver on my 3C589D all the time and it seems to be
just fine.

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On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:58:31 +0100, "Greg Quinlan" wrote:

> Some people who have already customized their "/etc/rc.firewall"
> script and will feel confident that it will not be overwritten by and
> upgrade. Those doing a fresh install we not be effected either. :)

Where does that confidence come from? The upgrade procedure is
documented as something that backs up your /etc/ directory completely
and replaces it.

That aside, I do think your idea is worthwhile, although implementation
is going to be tricky if you want /etc/defaults/rc.firewall to "suck in"
/etc/rc.firewall.

:-)

Ciao,
Sheldon.


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----- Original Message -----
From: Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@uunet.co.za>
> > Some people who have already customized their "/etc/rc.firewall"
> > script and will feel confident that it will not be overwritten by and
> > upgrade. Those doing a fresh install will not be effected either. :)
>
> Where does that confidence come from? The upgrade procedure is
> documented as something that backs up your /etc/ directory completely
> and replaces it.
>
> That aside, I do think your idea is worthwhile, although implementation
> is going to be tricky if you want /etc/defaults/rc.firewall to "suck in"
> /etc/rc.firewall.

I am just talking about changing the location of the firewall configuration
file (rc.firewall), not "sucking it" in.

 Although that is an interesting idea. (perhaps "simple", "client", "open"
... are **default** and anything else, like "custom", calls /etc/rc.firewall
...
Hmmm.... I like it.... I wished I had thought of that!! :) )

If you have a flat / simple / default installation then use the
"/etc/default/rc.firewall" file. If you have something-complex / customised
/ non-default, as most people probably do, use the /etc/rc.firewall file for
the firewall configuration.

The way I would ***like*** to see it work, is to put:
firewall_script="/etc/rc.firewall"
firewall_type="custom"
into the /etc/rc.conf file

IF firewall_enable="YES" exists
in the /etc/rc.conf file (during an upgrade process.)

The /etc/default/rc.firewall has as the last few lines :

case "${firewall_type}" in
.
.
.
custom)
        [ -f /etc/rc.firewall ] && sh /etc/rc.firewall
        ;;
esac

Would that be too complex?... rather than trying to work out what
configuration file has been over-written that needs restoring from the
/usr/tmp/etc directory...

I have been caught out once before... then realised that I had not copied
back my customised "rc.firewall" file.

Simple really :))))

Cheers

Greg



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----- Original Message -----
From: Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@uunet.co.za>
> > Some people who have already customized their "/etc/rc.firewall"
> > script and will feel confident that it will not be overwritten by and
> > upgrade. Those doing a fresh install will not be effected either. :)
>
> Where does that confidence come from? The upgrade procedure is
> documented as something that backs up your /etc/ directory completely
> and replaces it.
>
> That aside, I do think your idea is worthwhile, although implementation
> is going to be tricky if you want /etc/defaults/rc.firewall to "suck in"
> /etc/rc.firewall.

I am just talking about changing the location of the firewall configuration
file (rc.firewall), not "sucking it" in.

 Although that is an interesting idea. (perhaps "simple", "client", "open"
... are **default** and anything else, like "custom", calls /etc/rc.firewall
...
Hmmm.... I like it.... I wished I had thought of that!! :) )

If you have a flat / simple / default installation then use the
"/etc/default/rc.firewall" file. If you have something-complex / customised
/ non-default, as most people probably do, use the /etc/rc.firewall file for
the firewall configuration.

The way I would ***like*** to see it work, is to put:
firewall_script="/etc/rc.firewall"
firewall_type="custom"
into the /etc/rc.conf file

IF firewall_enable="YES" exists
in the /etc/rc.conf file (during an upgrade process.)

The /etc/default/rc.firewall has as the last few lines :

case "${firewall_type}" in
.
.
.
custom)
        [ -f /etc/rc.firewall ] && sh /etc/rc.firewall
        ;;
esac

Would that be too complex?... rather than trying to work out what
configuration file has been over-written that needs restoring from the
/usr/tmp/etc directory...

I have been caught out once before... then realised that I had not copied
back my customised "rc.firewall" file.

Simple really :))))

Cheers

Greg




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I have a program to compile which I did not write that includes
<arpa/inet.h> and <netdb.h>.

I tried compiling with the /usr/bin/cc (v 2.7.2.3) and with gcc
2.9.5. From both I get:

In file included from mercury_trace_external.c:42:
/usr/include/arpa/inet.h:89: warning: parameter has incomplete type
/usr/include/arpa/inet.h:92: warning: parameter has incomplete type
/usr/include/arpa/inet.h:96: warning: parameter has incomplete type
In file included from mercury_trace_external.c:44:
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/usr/include/netdb.h:179: `type name' declared as function returning a function
/usr/include/netdb.h:179: parse error before `)'
gmake[2]: *** [mercury_trace_external.o] Error 1

Any idea what's wrong?

Marko
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> In the lint file for 3.3-RC it says the following:
> 
> # ep: 3Com 3C509 (buggy)
> 
> But I see the driver for the card hasn't been modified in 
> quite some time.
>  *      if_ep.c,v 1.19 1995/01/24 20:53:45 davidg Exp
> 
> Is the lint file just out of date? or is the NIC buggy? 
> the driver buggy? We are using the card in my apartment, 
> and I haven't seen any evidence of bugs yet.

The NIC:driver combination is sometimes buggy.  We don't really 
understand why these work well for some people and terribly for others.

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On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote:

> > Why do you need to kill and restart it? Doing a HUP is the standard way to
> > cause reprocessing of config files, so why has this changed?
> 
> It hasn't, but inetd in 3.2-RELEASE had a bug that scrambled its configuration
> on HUP.  Naturally, it's been fixed since then. :-)

Ah, cool. Thanks..

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I accomplished this by simply setting 
firewall_type="/etc/firewall_rules.m4" and modifying the last little bit of 
the /etc/rc.firewall to read ...

elif [ "${firewall_type}" != "UNKNOWN" -a -r "${firewall_type}" ]; then
         $fwcmd -p /usr/bin/m4 ${firewall_type}
fi


This puts all the custom firewall rules into one location that should never 
be disturbed by an upgrade.  I couldn't get around the need to modify the 
rc.firewall file somewhat though to allow for the use of M4.

-Bryan


At 05:58 AM 9/14/99 , Greg Quinlan wrote:
>I have noticed that there is a new entry in the /etc/defaults/rc.conf
>"firewall_script=/etc/rc.firewall", would it be advisable to have the
>default location for the firewall script as "/etc/defaults/rc.firewall"
>rather than "/etc/rc.firewall." Some people who have already customized
>their "/etc/rc.firewall" script and will feel confident that it will not be
>overwritten by and upgrade. Those doing a fresh install we not be effected
>either. :)





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On 14-Sep-99 Greg Quinlan wrote:
> I am just talking about changing the location of the firewall
> configuration
> file (rc.firewall), not "sucking it" in.

<much stuff snipped>

Go look at the existing /etc/rc.firewall.  It already does this!  :) 
If you specify a firewall type that is not one of client, server, etc.,
it assumes the type is a file of ipfw commands that should be passed to
ipfw.  Look at the bottom of the rc.firewall, specifically:

----8<----

elif [ "${firewall_type}" != "UNKNOWN" -a -r "${firewall_type}" ]; then
        $fwcmd ${firewall_type}
fi

----8<----

For instance, I put all of my ipfw commands on my router in
/etc/rc.firewall.local and have the following in /etc/rc.conf:

----8<----

firewall_enable="YES"
firewall_type="/etc/rc.firewall.local"
firewall_quiet="NO"

----8<----

---

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I want to get an inexpensive, supported, PCI SCSI
controller, and the Advansys boards look fairly good.
However, the part numbers have progressed past those
mentioned in the release notes and the driver & man page.
Here is a list of board numbers and chips from Advansys'
web page.  Are they all currently supported, or if not,
which ones should I avoid?

Thanks

-Greg Shenaut

-------------------------------------------------------

Model Card SCSI Chip SCSI Data Bus Max Throughput SCSI Interface System Bus Bus Master Special Option
ASB-3940UW-00 ASC3550B 8 or 16 Bit 40 MB/sec Single Ended PCI - 33 Mhz, 5V Yes .
ABP-970UW(68) ASC3550B 8 or 16 Bit 40 MB/sec Single Ended PCI - 33 Mhz, 5V Yes .
ABP-940UW(68) ASC3550B 8 or 16 Bit 40 MB/sec Single Ended PCI - 33 Mhz, 5V Yes .
ABP-940UW ASC3550B 8 or 16 Bit 40 MB/sec Single Ended PCI - 33 Mhz, 5V Yes .
ASB-3940UA-00 ASC3050B 8 Bit 20 MB/sec Single Ended PCI - 33 Mhz, 5V Yes .
ABP-940UA ASC3050B 8 Bit 20 MB/sec Single Ended PCI - 33 Mhz, 5V Yes .
ABP-930UA ASC3050B 8 Bit 20 MB/sec Single Ended PCI - 33 Mhz, 5V Yes .
ABP-970UA ASC3050B 8 Bit 20 MB/sec Single Ended PCI - 33 Mhz, 5V Yes .
ASB-3980UA-00 ASC3050B 8 Bit 80 MB/sec Single Ended PCI - 33 Mhz, 5V Yes !Intel/DEC Bridge 21152
ABP-980UA ASC3050B 8 Bit 80 MB/sec Single Ended PCI - 33 Mhz, 5V Yes !DEC Bridge 21152
ABP-980U ASC3150C 8 Bit 80 MB/sec Single Ended PCI - 33 Mhz, 5V Yes !DEC Bridge 21150
ABP-3925-00 ASC3030 8 Bit 10 MB/sec Single Ended PCI - 33 Mhz, 5V Yes .
ABP-3922-00 ASC3030 8 Bit 10 MB/sec Single Ended PCI - 33 Mhz, 5V Yes .
ABP-925 ASC3050 8 Bit 10 MB/sec Single Ended PCI - 33 Mhz, 5V Yes .
ABP-915 ASC3030 8 Bit 10 MB/sec Single Ended PCI - 33 Mhz, 5V Yes .
ASB-3905-00 ASC3030 8 Bit 10 MB/sec Single Ended PCI - 33 Mhz, 5V Yes .
ASB-3902-00 ASC3030 8 Bit 10 MB/sec Single Ended PCI - 33 Mhz, 5V Yes .
ABP-5142 ASC1090B 8 Bit 10 MB/sec Single Ended ISA Yes Floppy
ABP-5140 ASC1090B 8 Bit 10 MB/sec Single Ended ISA Yes .

! Motherboard must support the PCI to PCI DEC Bridge chip 21152


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From: Eliezer Rodriguez Gonzalez <elie@uncle.cult.cu>
> Some time ago I upgrade my 2.2.6 system to 3.2-STABLE, but I still have
> all the build in /usr/obj. Now I want to mount this box /usr/src and
> /usr/obj onto another box I also want to upgrade. The mounting works fine,
> I mounted them on the remote machine also in /usr/src and /usr/obj, but
> when I fired make aout-to-elf-install the script works just displaying
> that the system has been finally upgraded and suggest to reboot the
> system.
> I guess this behaviour is normal, I just need to know how to avoid it and
> perform the upgrade on the remote machine taking advantage of the previous
> build process.
>

Removing the following files from your /usr/obj directory will allow you to
install your current build on another system.

:From /usr/src/Makefile.upgrade
:
:                ${MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX}/do_move_aout_libs           \
:                ${MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX}/do_aout_installworld        \
:                ${MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX}/do_elf_installworld         \
:                ${MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX}/do_elf_kernel               \
:                ${MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX}/do_set_objformat            \
:                ${MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX}/do_reboot

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Hi everybody!

I just upgraded my box from stable 19990602 to 19990909.=20

I'm having problems with my ppp chat script. It seems it does not send=20=

a carriage return where it should.=20

spidey@freed [10:18pm] spidey$ ppp -auto d14
Working in auto mode
Using interface: tun0
spidey@freed [10:18pm] spidey$ pppctl /var/sock/internet
ppp ON freed> set log local chat
ppp ON freed> Chat: Expect(40): CONNECT
Chat: Received: ATDT*70,343 2411
Chat: Received: CONNECT
Chat: Send:=20
Chat: Expect(15): ame:
Chat: Received:  38400
Chat: Received:=20
Chat: Received: Serveur de terminaux AS1.CC.
Chat: Received: (? =3D commandes;  AIDE =3D aide;  MOTD =3D message du =
jour)
Chat: Received:=20
Chat: Received:=20
Chat: Received: User Access Verification
Chat: Received:=20
Chat: Received: Username:
Chat: Send: beaupran
Chat: Expect(15): word:
Chat: Received: =20
Chat: Received:=20
Chat: Received: User Access Verification
Chat: Received:=20

ppp ON freed>=20
ppp ON freed> Chat: Expect timeout

The normal behavior is:

root@freed [10:20pm] spidey# ppp
Working in interactive mode
Using interface: tun0
ppp ON freed> set server /var/sock/internet "" 0177
ppp ON freed> set openmode active 3
ppp ON freed> deny lqr
ppp ON freed> set ifaddr 10.0.2.15 132.204.45.25/0
ppp ON freed> term
deflink: Entering terminal mode on /dev/modem
Type `~?' for help
at
OK
atdt*70,3432411
CONNECT 38400

Serveur de terminaux AS1.CC.
(? =3D commandes;  AIDE =3D aide;  MOTD =3D message du jour)


User Access Verification

Username: beaupran
Password:=20

% Authentication failed.


User Access Verification

Username: beaupran
Password:=20

umnet>term down
umnet>derby.jsp
Trying derby.jsp.UMONTREAL.CA (132.204.45.26)... Open


IRIX (derby.jsp.umontreal.ca)

login: beaupran
Password:
IRIX Release 5.3 IP19 derby
Copyright 1987-1996 Silicon Graphics, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Last login: Tue Sep 14 19:57:49 EDT 1999 by UNKNOWN@as3.CC.UMontreal.CA=

Execution de /etc/cshrc
SGI    SVR4     (IRIX 5.3)   Services Informatiques, Universit=E9 de Mo=
ntr=E9al
_______________________________________________________________________=
____
c9b2e49b1204f60dc8fa9b68cee99111       vendredi, 10 septembre 1999 08:2=
9:48

Le reseau JSP est maintenant completement dedie au cours de
mathematiques.  Les etudiants qui suivent des cours d'informatique
utiliseront dorenavant le reseau BACC du DIRO.

Pour obtenir plus de renseignement sur ce nouveau reseau consultez
la page: http://www.IRO.UMontreal.CA/support

Bonne session,
support@JSP.UMontreal.CA


_____________ Pour revoir ce texte, faites: more /etc/motd ____________=
____
Vous avez du courrier.

ATTENTION.  Votre boite aux lettres (593 blocs) deborde!
Veuillez en faire le menage avant que votre courrier ne se perde.
derby[22:24]~> slirp -P -b 38400
Slirp v1.0c (RELEASE)

Copyright (c) 1995,1996 Danny Gasparovski and others.
All rights reserved.
This program is copyrighted, free software.
Please read the file COPYRIGHT that came with the Slirp
package for the terms and conditions of the copyright.

Reading config file: /JSP/D2/usagers/beaupran/.slirprc
Adding execution of /JSP/D2/usagers/beaupran/utils/slirp.popper to port=
 110
Setting baudrate to 38400
IP address of Slirp host: 132.204.45.26
IP address of your DNS(s): 132.204.2.103, 132.204.2.102
Your address is 10.0.2.15
(or anything else you want)

Type five zeroes (0) to exit.

[talking PPP, 38400 baud]

SLiRP Ready ...

Packet mode.
ppp ON freed>=20
PPp ON freed>=20
PPP ON freed> set timeout 0
PPP ON freed>=20

There is really a problem here. And it appeared only when I upgraded
recently.

Does anyone have an idea?

Thanks

Ants.

--=20
Si l'image donne l'illusion de savoir
C'est que l'adage pretend que pour croire,
L'important ne serait que de voir

Lofofora


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On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 10:00:09AM -0700, Mike Smith wrote:
> The NIC:driver combination is sometimes buggy.  We don't really 
> understand why these work well for some people and terribly for others.

As an example of this, I have three machines with 3c509s in them, which
work fine, and transfer data at the sort of rate you would expect.

I also have a notebook (Toshiba Portege 3020CT - couldn't get a
Libretto) with a 3CCE589E card.  This works OK for interactive use, FTP,
etc.  Anything involving bigger transfers often behaves dreadfully.
Every now and again I tinker, trying to get a clue as to the cause.
Below are the elderly remains of one experiment, showing how tar across
the network runs at very variable speeds, depending on the block
size. The file being dumped is 1.3MB in size.  Most of the time I just
grit my teeth, and go away while the notebook is being dumped.

I still kick myself for returning the much better card which came with
the notebook 3 days before support for it appeared (8-(

==> try13 <==
#!/bin/sh
for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40
do
echo ""
date
echo "blocksize $i"
time tar cfb titus:/dev/null $i test-1.3M
done

==> typescript.old <==
Script started on Tue Jun 29 04:18:32 1999
aw1@mervyn home/aw1/test$ ./try13

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:18:36 BST
blocksize 1
      528.49 real         0.14 user         0.44 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:27:25 BST
blocksize 2
      264.38 real         0.07 user         0.25 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:31:49 BST
blocksize 3
        5.28 real         0.02 user         0.20 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:31:54 BST
blocksize 4
        4.52 real         0.02 user         0.16 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:31:59 BST
blocksize 5
        3.99 real         0.01 user         0.15 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:32:03 BST
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        3.33 real         0.04 user         0.09 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:32:06 BST
blocksize 7
        3.33 real         0.01 user         0.13 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:32:10 BST
blocksize 8
        3.12 real         0.02 user         0.10 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:32:13 BST
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       58.06 real         0.00 user         0.13 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:33:11 BST
blocksize 10
       53.18 real         0.00 user         0.13 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:34:04 BST
blocksize 11
       48.18 real         0.01 user         0.11 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:34:52 BST
blocksize 12
        2.56 real         0.01 user         0.10 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:34:55 BST
blocksize 13
        2.97 real         0.00 user         0.14 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:34:58 BST
blocksize 14
        3.87 real         0.02 user         0.11 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:35:02 BST
blocksize 15
       35.50 real         0.00 user         0.13 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:35:37 BST
blocksize 16
       33.18 real         0.23 user         0.00 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:36:10 BST
blocksize 17
       33.38 real         0.00 user         0.07 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:36:44 BST
blocksize 18
       64.59 real         0.01 user         0.06 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:37:48 BST
blocksize 19
       68.65 real         0.01 user         0.07 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:38:57 BST
blocksize 20
       54.49 real         0.00 user         0.08 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:39:52 BST
blocksize 21
       54.38 real         0.00 user         0.07 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:40:46 BST
blocksize 22
       52.35 real         0.01 user         0.06 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:41:38 BST
blocksize 23
       45.05 real         0.00 user         0.08 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:42:24 BST
blocksize 24
       50.63 real         0.01 user         0.06 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:43:14 BST
blocksize 25
       47.28 real         0.00 user         0.10 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:44:01 BST
blocksize 26
       44.58 real         0.00 user         0.05 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:44:46 BST
blocksize 27
       41.18 real         0.01 user         0.08 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:45:27 BST
blocksize 28
       46.09 real         0.00 user         0.04 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:46:13 BST
blocksize 29
       37.80 real         0.00 user         0.06 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:46:51 BST
blocksize 30
       31.93 real         0.00 user         0.07 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:47:23 BST
blocksize 31
       36.31 real         0.00 user         0.07 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:47:59 BST
blocksize 32
       38.16 real         0.00 user         0.05 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:48:38 BST
blocksize 33
       37.78 real         0.00 user         0.07 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:49:15 BST
blocksize 34
       33.98 real         0.01 user         0.06 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:49:49 BST
blocksize 35
       29.72 real         0.00 user         0.06 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:50:19 BST
blocksize 36
       24.95 real         0.00 user         0.06 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:50:44 BST
blocksize 37
       29.15 real         0.00 user         0.06 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:51:13 BST
blocksize 38
       25.09 real         0.00 user         0.06 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:51:38 BST
blocksize 39
       19.78 real         0.01 user         0.05 sys

Tue 29 Jun 1999 04:51:58 BST
blocksize 40
       19.38 real         0.01 user         0.04 sys

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I noticed that ipfilter in -stable and -current is still 3.2.7 while
3.2.10 has been released quite a while ago. Are there any plans to
import 3.2.10 into -stable? How difficult are the changes that have
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Hi all,

does anyone have an idea why /usr/libexec/mail.local is made setuid? It is now
impossible to control mailbox quotas because it is always run as root. It is
possible to invoke it as root using 'o' flag in mailer definition, if it is so
needed. I removed setuid bit from it and setreuid() calls from the source, and
set 'o' flag in sendmail configuration - it works fine now and doesn't ignore
disk quotas.

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hi all,
	Sorry for asking it right here but I'm not subscribed to the 
freebsd-question and have trouble connecting to irc servers so that I can 
pose my questions at #freebsd;).
	I would like to ask about the difference between
'make release' and 'make world'.
	I would also like to know when is the good time to make release. Do I have 
to make release after I've make world?

thanx...

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>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Harnett <dan@nfol.com> writes:

Dan> Hello,

Dan> It still sounds like you are missing an include file.  Looking at
Dan> /usr/include/arpa/inet.h version 1.10.2.1 in 3.3-RC, on line 89
Dan> there is a prototype that looks like this:

Dan> unsigned long    inet_lnaof __P((struct in_addr));

Dan> struct in_addr is declared in /usr/include/netinet/in.h and you
Dan> need to make sure you are including that into your program.  A
Dan> line like this will work:

Dan> #include <netinet/in.h>

Dan> Just make sure that file is included before
Dan> /usr/include/arpa/inet.h.

You are right! <netinet/in.h> was included, but after
<arpa/inet.h>. That solves the warning, but the parse error
remains. Any ideas as to how to solve it?

Dan> Dan Harnett


>> I have a program to compile which I did not write that includes
>> <arpa/inet.h> and <netdb.h>.
>> 
>> I tried compiling with the /usr/bin/cc (v 2.7.2.3) and with gcc
>> 2.9.5. From both I get:
>> 
>> In file included from mercury_trace_external.c:42:
>> /usr/include/arpa/inet.h:89: warning: parameter has incomplete type
>> /usr/include/arpa/inet.h:92: warning: parameter has incomplete type
>> /usr/include/arpa/inet.h:96: warning: parameter has incomplete type
>> In file included from mercury_trace_external.c:44:
>> /usr/include/netdb.h:179: parse error before `('
>> /usr/include/netdb.h:179: `type name' declared as function returning an array
>> /usr/include/netdb.h:179: `type name' declared as function returning a function
>> /usr/include/netdb.h:179: parse error before `)'
>> gmake[2]: *** [mercury_trace_external.o] Error 1


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On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Bryan Talbot wrote:
> I accomplished this by simply setting 
> firewall_type="/etc/firewall_rules.m4" and modifying the last little bit of 
> the /etc/rc.firewall to read ...
> 
> elif [ "${firewall_type}" != "UNKNOWN" -a -r "${firewall_type}" ]; then
>          $fwcmd -p /usr/bin/m4 ${firewall_type}
> fi
> 
> 
> This puts all the custom firewall rules into one location that should never 
> be disturbed by an upgrade.  I couldn't get around the need to modify the 
> rc.firewall file somewhat though to allow for the use of M4.

I have done the same thing here, but have used a different filter, as the
person that will have to maintain the rules does not know m4.  Shold there be a
firewall_options variable added?

Tim.


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On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 04:17:41PM +0000, Nawfal M. Rouyan wrote:
> hi all,
> 	Sorry for asking it right here but I'm not subscribed to the 
> freebsd-question and have trouble connecting to irc servers so that I can 
> pose my questions at #freebsd;).
> 	I would like to ask about the difference between
> 'make release' and 'make world'.
> 
`make world' upgrades your system from the sources.
For more information, please see the following tutorial:

http://www.nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk/FreeBSD/make-world/make-world.html


`make release' is used to produce FreeBSD releases and snapshots, and
doesn't upgrade your system.
For more information, please see:

/usr/src/release/Makefile


> 	I would also like to know when is the good time to make release. Do I have 
> to make release after I've make world?
> 
To `make release' you're first required to `make buildworld'.


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Tim Priebe <tim@iafrica.com.na>
> Should there be a firewall_options variable added?
> 
> Tim.

Yes!
I would like to see it! It would accomplish what I want to do!

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Andre Albsmeier <andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de> probably said:
> I noticed that ipfilter in -stable and -current is still 3.2.7 while
> 3.2.10 has been released quite a while ago. Are there any plans to
> import 3.2.10 into -stable? How difficult are the changes that have
> to be made?

3.3.1 is actually the current stable release of ipfilter.
I'm using it (for a fairly basic configuration) on my 3.2-R laptop.

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Sheldon Hearn wrote:
> 	You can now do ``make installworld'' from those hosts, one at at
> 	time. In between each ``make installworld'' that you perform on
> 	the hosts, you should copy the backup obj tree back to the
> 	exported tree, e.g.
> 		rm -rf /usr/obj/*
> 		chflags -R noschg /usr/obj
> 		rm -rf /usr/obj/*
> 		cp -pR /usr/obj.mint/* /usr/obj
> 
> This whole process of preserving the obj tree may not be necessary any
> more. A long time ago, I heard that the ``installworld'' target messed
> with some of the stuff in the obj tree. If you'd like to try skipping
> the preservation steps, I'd appreciate feedback. :-)

I upgrade 3 machines from one buildworld.
A has all the source in /vol/src/FreeBSD-stable/src, it exports /vol/src.
B has /scratch/obj, it exports /scratch.
/vol/src is mounted on B and C.
/usr/src is linked to /vol/src/FreeBSD-stable/src on all 3 machines.
/scratch is mounted on A and C.
/usr/obj is linked to /scratch/obj on all 3 machines.

I do a buildworld on B and then installworld on all three machines
(in single used mode)
It works fine.

Jos

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Sheldon Hearn wrote:
> 	You can now do ``make installworld'' from those hosts, one at at
> 	time. In between each ``make installworld'' that you perform on
> 	the hosts, you should copy the backup obj tree back to the
> 	exported tree, e.g.
> 		rm -rf /usr/obj/*
> 		chflags -R noschg /usr/obj
> 		rm -rf /usr/obj/*
> 		cp -pR /usr/obj.mint/* /usr/obj
> 
> This whole process of preserving the obj tree may not be necessary any
> more. A long time ago, I heard that the ``installworld'' target messed
> with some of the stuff in the obj tree. If you'd like to try skipping
> the preservation steps, I'd appreciate feedback. :-)

I upgrade 3 machines from one buildworld.
A has all the source in /vol/src/FreeBSD-stable/src, it exports /vol/src.
B has /scratch/obj, it exports /scratch.
/vol/src is mounted on B and C.
/usr/src is linked to /vol/src/FreeBSD-stable/src on all 3 machines.
/scratch is mounted on A and C.
/usr/obj is linked to /scratch/obj on all 3 machines.

I do a buildworld on B and then installworld on all three machines
(in single used mode)
It works fine.

Jos

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Subject: Re: Remote system upgrade via NFS problems.
In-Reply-To: <27100.937297200@axl.noc.iafrica.com> from Sheldon Hearn at "Sep 14, 1999 10:20:00 am"
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Sheldon Hearn wrote:
> 	You can now do ``make installworld'' from those hosts, one at at
> 	time. In between each ``make installworld'' that you perform on
> 	the hosts, you should copy the backup obj tree back to the
> 	exported tree, e.g.
> 		rm -rf /usr/obj/*
> 		chflags -R noschg /usr/obj
> 		rm -rf /usr/obj/*
> 		cp -pR /usr/obj.mint/* /usr/obj
> 
> This whole process of preserving the obj tree may not be necessary any
> more. A long time ago, I heard that the ``installworld'' target messed
> with some of the stuff in the obj tree. If you'd like to try skipping
> the preservation steps, I'd appreciate feedback. :-)

I upgrade 3 machines from one buildworld.
A has all the source in /vol/src/FreeBSD-stable/src, it exports /vol/src.
B has /scratch/obj, it exports /scratch.
/vol/src is mounted on B and C.
/usr/src is linked to /vol/src/FreeBSD-stable/src on all 3 machines.
/scratch is mounted on A and C.
/usr/obj is linked to /scratch/obj on all 3 machines.

I do a buildworld on B and then installworld on all three machines
(in single used mode)
It works fine.

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On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:24:05 +0200, Jos Vissers wrote:

> I do a buildworld on B and then installworld on all three machines
> (in single used mode)
> It works fine.

Cool, so it looks like installworld is reusable again. Who knows,
perhaps it was never broken in this respect. :-)

Thanks for the follow-up.

Later,
Sheldon.


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----- Original Message -----
From: Jos Vissers <jos@islay.demon.nl>
> >
> > This whole process of preserving the obj tree may not be necessary any
> > more. A long time ago, I heard that the ``installworld'' target messed
> > with some of the stuff in the obj tree. If you'd like to try skipping
> > the preservation steps, I'd appreciate feedback. :-)
>
> I upgrade 3 machines from one buildworld.
> A has all the source in /vol/src/FreeBSD-stable/src, it exports /vol/src.
> B has /scratch/obj, it exports /scratch.
> /vol/src is mounted on B and C.
> /usr/src is linked to /vol/src/FreeBSD-stable/src on all 3 machines.
> /scratch is mounted on A and C.
> /usr/obj is linked to /scratch/obj on all 3 machines.
>
> I do a buildworld on B and then installworld on all three machines
> (in single used mode)
> It works fine.
>
> Jos
>
Why wouldn't you have all src on A in /usr/src export /usr/src
Have /usr/obj on A aswell, export /usr/obj (if it's not a space problem)
Mount exports from A (/usr/src & /usr/obj) on B and C in the same directory
paths.

Do a buildworld on A and installworld on B & C

Should work fine also.

Greg



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Subject: Re: Plans to update ipfilter from 3.2.7 to 3.2.10 in -STABLE?
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On Wed, 15-Sep-1999 at 06:23:20 -0400, Peter Radcliffe wrote:
> Andre Albsmeier <andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de> probably said:
> > I noticed that ipfilter in -stable and -current is still 3.2.7 while
> > 3.2.10 has been released quite a while ago. Are there any plans to
> > import 3.2.10 into -stable? How difficult are the changes that have
> > to be made?
> 
> 3.3.1 is actually the current stable release of ipfilter.
> I'm using it (for a fairly basic configuration) on my 3.2-R laptop.

Oops, seems that I have missed that. However, what to people think
about upgrading it in -STABLE after 3.3-RELEASE is out?

	-Andre

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Folks,

	I don't know if anyone here cares about this or not, but I've 
finally correlated some previous performance tests I had run a while 
back with rawio and vinum under FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE.  I gave these 
numbers to Greg at the time I collected them, but until now I had 
never actually put them into graphical format.

	See <http://www.shub-internet.org/brad/FreeBSD/vinum.html> for 
the details of the test environment and links to the GIFs showing the 
final results.

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> On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 10:00:09AM -0700, Mike Smith wrote:
> > The NIC:driver combination is sometimes buggy.  We don't really 
> > understand why these work well for some people and terribly for others.
> 
> As an example of this, I have three machines with 3c509s in them, which
> work fine, and transfer data at the sort of rate you would expect.
> 
> I also have a notebook (Toshiba Portege 3020CT - couldn't get a
> Libretto) with a 3CCE589E card.  This works OK for interactive use, FTP,
> etc.  Anything involving bigger transfers often behaves dreadfully.
> Every now and again I tinker, trying to get a clue as to the cause.
> Below are the elderly remains of one experiment, showing how tar across
> the network runs at very variable speeds, depending on the block
> size. The file being dumped is 1.3MB in size.  Most of the time I just
> grit my teeth, and go away while the notebook is being dumped.

	Can you FTP/SCP large files?  I don't understand your test
enviornment well enough to duplicate it here.

	-Ira



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On Wed, 15-Sep-1999 at 15:35:09 +0200, Andre Albsmeier wrote:
> On Wed, 15-Sep-1999 at 06:23:20 -0400, Peter Radcliffe wrote:
> > Andre Albsmeier <andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de> probably said:
> > > I noticed that ipfilter in -stable and -current is still 3.2.7 while
> > > 3.2.10 has been released quite a while ago. Are there any plans to
> > > import 3.2.10 into -stable? How difficult are the changes that have
> > > to be made?
> > 
> > 3.3.1 is actually the current stable release of ipfilter.
> > I'm using it (for a fairly basic configuration) on my 3.2-R laptop.
> 
> Oops, seems that I have missed that. However, what to people think
> about upgrading it in -STABLE after 3.3-RELEASE is out?
> 
> 	-Andre

Things that seem interesting (from HISTORY):


3.3.1	14/8/1999 - Released

...

fix timeout losing on freebsd3

3.3	7/8/1999 - Released

fix problem with "log" rules actually affecting result of filtering.

...

update keep-state code with new algorithm from Guido

...

add FreeBSD-3 support

...

add "level [facility.]<priority>" option to filter language

...

add changes from Guido to state code.

...

add patches from George Michaelson for FreeBSD 3.0

...


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Greg Quinlan wrote:
> > I upgrade 3 machines from one buildworld.
> > A has all the source in /vol/src/FreeBSD-stable/src, it exports /vol/src.
> > B has /scratch/obj, it exports /scratch.
> > /vol/src is mounted on B and C.
> > /usr/src is linked to /vol/src/FreeBSD-stable/src on all 3 machines.
> > /scratch is mounted on A and C.
> > /usr/obj is linked to /scratch/obj on all 3 machines.
> >
> > I do a buildworld on B and then installworld on all three machines
> > (in single used mode)
> > It works fine.
> >
> Why wouldn't you have all src on A in /usr/src export /usr/src
> Have /usr/obj on A aswell, export /usr/obj (if it's not a space problem)
> Mount exports from A (/usr/src & /usr/obj) on B and C in the same directory
> paths.
> 
> Do a buildworld on A and installworld on B & C
> 
> Should work fine also.

Because machine B is the fastest of them all and machine A has all the
important filesystems (home src etc...).
The reason for a /vol/src is that this way if I want to build a
-current machine I can just link /usr/src to /vol/src/FreeBSD-current/src 
instead of .../FreeBSD-stable/src.
/scratch on machine B is a wipeable 1GB partition that I can use for
anything from (several) buildworld trees to cd images.
Nothing important is on machine B since it occasionally runs another
OS the name of which I will not mention, but the fdisk that comes with
this other OS has it's "peculiarities"...
But your sugestion will work fine none the less, I just like to things
different then other people sometimes. I do believe there is a word for
that ;-)

Jos

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From: Arjan de Vet <Arjan.deVet@adv.iae.nl>
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In article <19990915072247.A78201@internal> you write:

>I noticed that ipfilter in -stable and -current is still 3.2.7 while
>3.2.10 has been released quite a while ago. Are there any plans to
>import 3.2.10 into -stable? How difficult are the changes that have
>to be made?

Guido van Rooij (guido@freebsd.org) has announced some time ago that he
will upgrade ipfilter to a newer release.

Arjan


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On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Brad Knowles wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> 	I don't know if anyone here cares about this or not, but I've 
> finally correlated some previous performance tests I had run a while 
> back with rawio and vinum under FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE.  I gave these 
> numbers to Greg at the time I collected them, but until now I had 
> never actually put them into graphical format.
> 
> 	See <http://www.shub-internet.org/brad/FreeBSD/vinum.html> for 
> the details of the test environment and links to the GIFs showing the 
> final results.

	Nice.  I can use these graphs when making arguments about whether 
to buy DPT's or other hardware.

	My only question is have you thought about adding system CPU usage
to the graphs?  It seems that under most cases CPU cycles are the only
thing the DPT's are saving, but I have no idea how many cycles are spent by
vinum.

cheers,

	Adrian
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At 12:29 PM -0400 1999/9/15, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote:

> 	Nice.  I can use these graphs when making arguments about whether
> to buy DPT's or other hardware.

	Keep in mind that these tests were done with old DPT hardware, 
not their most current stuff.

> 	My only question is have you thought about adding system CPU usage
> to the graphs?  It seems that under most cases CPU cycles are the only
> thing the DPT's are saving, but I have no idea how many cycles are spent by
> vinum.

	I was calling rawio with a particular set of command-line 
arguments as suggested to me by Greg Lehey (the author of vinum and 
rawio), so CPU utilization information was not captured.  I believe 
that this data is available with different sets of arguments to 
rawio, but the output would be quite a bit messier and not nearly so 
easy to turn into a spreadsheet.


	My inclination would be to continue to run the tests in basically 
the same way I have been, but to instead also run some additional 
tests on certain specific test configurations of interest (e.g., 
vinum 4-Way stripe with 256KB stripe size and 256 sector average 
transfer size) to capture this information only for those specific 
tests.

	This way you've got the kind of CPU utilization information you 
want, but you didn't waste a lot of time and effort in attempting to 
collect that information for the entire battery of tests.


	I can say that the few tests I do recall running that provided 
more detail, CPU utilization from vinum was very minimal.  One test I 
have a record of running on this same configuration reported the 
following:

/usr/local/bin/rawio -s 45660241920 -v 1 /dev/vinum/data1
>Test name:                  anon
>Transfer count:            32768
>Record count:              16384
>Process count:                 8
>Device size:          2147483647
>Test    ID           Time      KB/sec    %User    %Sys  %Total  Reads   Writes
>RR     anon    781.799011      2700.7     0.1      6.7     6.8  131072  0
>SR     anon    994.598389      4318.3     0.1      7.3     7.3  131072  0
>RW     anon   2871.548584       736.3     0.0      1.9     1.9  0       131072
>SW     anon    195.158478     22007.6     0.2     60.8    60.9  0       131072

	Of course, this was with older versions of vinum and rawio, and I 
believe that the %Sys percentage reported was a bug that was fixed 
long ago.  Except for the Sequential Write test, you can see that the 
overall CPU utilization was less than 10% across the board, and less 
than 2% for the Random Write test (although that number seems 
suspiciously low and might also have been the result of a bug which 
has almost certainly been fixed since).

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> I noticed that ipfilter in -stable and -current is still 3.2.7 while
> 3.2.10 has been released quite a while ago. Are there any plans to
> import 3.2.10 into -stable? How difficult are the changes that have
> to be made?

Ipfilter's principal developer and maintainer (Darren Reed) is 
responsible for the upkeep of ipfilter in the FreeBSD tree.  You should 
check with him to determine his schedule for this, but I suspect he may 
have other priorities (I get the impression he's a fairly busy chap).

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At 1:54 PM -0400 1999/9/15, Alok Dhir wrote:

> I'd be curious to know how these results compare to a ccd stripe.

	That's something I hadn't considered testing before, but I'll add 
it to the list of things that should be tested this time around. 
Thanks!

> On a related note, I tried vinum about a year and a half ago and did not
> have a positive experience - mostly because the code was in flux - and I
> wound up losing data.

	I had some preoblems with previous versions of the vinum code 
being rather brittle in the face of certain types of unusual 
configurations being fed to it.  I haven't tried anything like that 
since, and I've run into relatively few problems with it in my 
testing so far.

	At the moment, I've got just one unexplained "wedge" of the 
system when I killed some rawio processes, and couldn't get logged in 
or do anything on the sessions where I was already logged in, and I 
ended up having to hit the reset button.  Unfortunately, I wasn't 
able to capture a crash dump to see why that happened.

>                               I'd like to move back to vinum since it
> supports mirroring as well, and would like to get some feedback from
> people running vinum in a high volume, production environment.

	I had been planning on giving it a shot on our Diablo/dreaderd 
news reader servers that I'm going to be setting up for our new 
distribute news server system, and if it didn't work out I'd have 
gone with hardware RAID controllers.

	However, with the results of the charts I've just produced, I'm 
much more inclined to not even bother considering hardware RAID 
controller cards, and to instead work to make vinum perform reliably, 
if I do run into any problems.

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At 04:33 AM 9/15/99 , Tim Priebe wrote:
> > This puts all the custom firewall rules into one location that should 
> never
> > be disturbed by an upgrade.  I couldn't get around the need to modify the
> > rc.firewall file somewhat though to allow for the use of M4.
>
>I have done the same thing here, but have used a different filter, as the
>person that will have to maintain the rules does not know m4.  Shold there 
>be a
>firewall_options variable added?

Sounds handy.  The quiet option could be handled in the same way of 
course.  Or, to put it another way, the quiet option could be used to 
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Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be> writes:
>At 12:29 PM -0400 1999/9/15, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote:
>> 	Nice.  I can use these graphs when making arguments about whether
>> to buy DPT's or other hardware.
>
>	Keep in mind that these tests were done with old DPT hardware, 
>not their most current stuff.

Also, keep in mind that vinum does very little in the way of sanity checking.
It's very happy to trash your data if you tell it to do something even a
little bit unusual.

After getting seriously burned (fortunately, during initial system
configuration), I've sworn off vinum for any sort of critical production
use.

Raw performance is only one factor in the equation.

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> Also, keep in mind that vinum does very little in the way of sanity checking.
> It's very happy to trash your data if you tell it to do something even a
> little bit unusual.
> 
> After getting seriously burned (fortunately, during initial system
> configuration), I've sworn off vinum for any sort of critical production
> use.

Of course, this is an absurdly myopic view to take of a product that's 
still under development.  It's people like yourself and statements like 
that that give open-development software products a bad name.  8(

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> > Also, keep in mind that vinum does very little in the way of sanity checking.
> > It's very happy to trash your data if you tell it to do something even a
> > little bit unusual.
> > 
> > After getting seriously burned (fortunately, during initial system
> > configuration), I've sworn off vinum for any sort of critical production
> > use.
> 
> Of course, this is an absurdly myopic view to take of a product that's 
> still under development.  It's people like yourself and statements like 
> that that give open-development software products a bad name.  8(

Argh!  That should have read "... yourself _making_ statements ..."

Mea maxima culpa.  8(

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From owner-freebsd-stable  Wed Sep 15 13:33:28 1999
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On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 12:29 PM -0400 1999/9/15, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote:
> 
> 	I can say that the few tests I do recall running that provided 
> more detail, CPU utilization from vinum was very minimal.  One test I 
> have a record of running on this same configuration reported the 
> following:
> 
> /usr/local/bin/rawio -s 45660241920 -v 1 /dev/vinum/data1
> >Test name:                  anon
> >Transfer count:            32768
> >Record count:              16384
> >Process count:                 8
> >Device size:          2147483647
> >Test    ID           Time      KB/sec    %User    %Sys  %Total  Reads   Writes
> >RR     anon    781.799011      2700.7     0.1      6.7     6.8  131072  0
> >SR     anon    994.598389      4318.3     0.1      7.3     7.3  131072  0
> >RW     anon   2871.548584       736.3     0.0      1.9     1.9  0       131072
> >SW     anon    195.158478     22007.6     0.2     60.8    60.9  0       131072
> 
> 	Of course, this was with older versions of vinum and rawio, and I 
> believe that the %Sys percentage reported was a bug that was fixed 
> long ago.  Except for the Sequential Write test, you can see that the 
> overall CPU utilization was less than 10% across the board, and less 
> than 2% for the Random Write test (although that number seems 
> suspiciously low and might also have been the result of a bug which 
> has almost certainly been fixed since).

	This is in line with what I would expect for RAID 0 and 1.  CPU
usage just makes the I/O performance measurements more compelling.   CPU
will also be more interesting when it comes to measuring the RAID 5
performance later.

	Basically, I'm just playing devil's advocate.  If someone asks me
about vinum performance under FreeBSD, your graphs/stats are great to
point to.  CPU utilization is a favorite whipping-boy for people convinced
hardware RAID is the only useful kind of RAID.

cheers,

	Adrian
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When I run my program under ddd, press Ctrl-C to return control to gdb and
then type info threads at the gdb prompt it returns nothing.
 
When I run it under gdb on the command line and do the same as above, gdb
dumps core.
 
How should I proceed? Should I grab the source for uthreads from current?
 
 
                                 -Kip
 




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Hi, all!
I planning to build new intranet server based of 3-STABLE.
Buying of hardware RAID is a bit expensive for me and AFAIK, vinum is
the best solution for me.
Is it possible to use HotPlug HDD feature under vinum, and if "yes" -
HowTo?
/SY
Anthony A. Borodin


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On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 01:01:50PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote:
> > After getting seriously burned (fortunately, during initial system
> > configuration), I've sworn off vinum for any sort of critical production
> > use.
> 
> Of course, this is an absurdly myopic view to take of a product that's 
> still under development.  It's people like yourself and statements like 
> that that give open-development software products a bad name.  8(

No offense, but you are wrong and he is right. A 'still under developement'
product should NOT be used for critical production machines. I am sure
when vinum is more robust and less likely to much your data for dinner
he, and many other people who use FreeBSD in situations where data loss 
is not an option, will reconsider it's use. 

Jamie

> -- 
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> \\  of the man.                   \\  msmith@freebsd.org
> \\    -- Joseph Merrick           \\  msmith@cdrom.com
> 
> 
> 
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> On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 01:01:50PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote:
> > > After getting seriously burned (fortunately, during initial system
> > > configuration), I've sworn off vinum for any sort of critical production
> > > use.
> > 
> > Of course, this is an absurdly myopic view to take of a product that's 
> > still under development.  It's people like yourself and statements like 
> > that that give open-development software products a bad name.  8(
> 
> No offense, but you are wrong and he is right. A 'still under developement'
> product should NOT be used for critical production machines.

Perhaps we're seeing this differently, but "sworn off vinum" says to me 
"never using it again", and that's the point I was trying to make.  
People try something that's still under development, get bitten, and 
then claim forever after that the product is dangerous, regardless of 
whether or not it's subsequently fixed.

This is a _major_ image issue.

> I am sure
> when vinum is more robust and less likely to much your data for dinner
> he, and many other people who use FreeBSD in situations where data loss 
> is not an option, will reconsider it's use. 

I'm not convinced of this, but worse still are the people that, having 
read Michael's message, or turned it up in a year's time, will never 
assess it for themselves because they're scared off by these 
unqualified comments.

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In message <199909151701.KAA00833@dingo.cdrom.com>, Mike Smith writes:
> > I noticed that ipfilter in -stable and -current is still 3.2.7 while
> > 3.2.10 has been released quite a while ago. Are there any plans to
> > import 3.2.10 into -stable? How difficult are the changes that have
> > to be made?
> 
> Ipfilter's principal developer and maintainer (Darren Reed) is 
> responsible for the upkeep of ipfilter in the FreeBSD tree.  You should 
> check with him to determine his schedule for this, but I suspect he may 
> have other priorities (I get the impression he's a fairly busy chap).

I asked this same question on the IP Filter mailing list.  Guido van 
Rooij (guido@freebsd.org) responded to me stating that he had 
volunteered to take over IP Filter support for FreeBSD.  The only hold 
up was that he was waiting for a box to do the work on.


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From owner-freebsd-stable  Wed Sep 15 15:27:47 1999
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On Anton Voronin <anton@urc.ac.ru> wrote:
>does anyone have an idea why /usr/libexec/mail.local is made setuid?

In order to do local mail delivery (at least in the BSD way),
_something_ must be setuid root so it can change the ownership of the
mail item from the originator to the recipient.  By default, there
are two setuid processes - sendmail and mail.local, one of which _is_
redundant.

Traditionally, sendmail runs as root so that it can bind to port 25
and change uid to allow local mail delivery without a setuid local
delivery agent.  The problem with this approach is that sendmail is
large, difficult to follow (and hence, audit), exposed and (at least
in the past) has had more than its share of security problems.

A newer approach is to run sendmail as a non-privileged user and/or
in a sandbox, relying on separate, smaller, easily audited programs
to manage the port binding and mail delivery.  It is much easier to
check for security holes in mail.local (which is essentially a
single 1300 line C program) than sendmail (which is ~48000 lines
of C spread over 34 source files).

> It is now
>impossible to control mailbox quotas because it is always run as root.
Then this is a bug in mail.local.

Peter


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> =

> Hi everybody!
> =

> I just upgraded my box from stable 19990602 to 19990909. =

> =

> I'm having problems with my ppp chat script. It seems it does not send =

> a carriage return where it should. =

> =

> spidey@freed [10:18pm] spidey$ ppp -auto d14
> Working in auto mode
> Using interface: tun0
> spidey@freed [10:18pm] spidey$ pppctl /var/sock/internet
> ppp ON freed> set log local chat
> ppp ON freed> Chat: Expect(40): CONNECT
> Chat: Received: ATDT*70,343 2411
> Chat: Received: CONNECT
> Chat: Send: =

> Chat: Expect(15): ame:
> Chat: Received:  38400
> Chat: Received: =

> Chat: Received: Serveur de terminaux AS1.CC.
> Chat: Received: (? =3D commandes;  AIDE =3D aide;  MOTD =3D message du =
jour)
> Chat: Received: =

> Chat: Received: =

> Chat: Received: User Access Verification
> Chat: Received: =

> Chat: Received: Username:
> Chat: Send: beaupran
> Chat: Expect(15): word:
> Chat: Received:  =

> Chat: Received: =

> Chat: Received: User Access Verification
> Chat: Received: =

[.....]

What does it say if you've also got ``physical'' logging ?  It should =

actually be sending beaupran 0x0d 0x0a above (assuming your send =

string doesn't end with ``\c''.
-- =

Brian <brian@Awfulhak.org>                        <brian@FreeBSD.org>
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***** skip the following three paragraphs if you're not interested in the
politics *****

This is funny. Not funny "ha ha", but I think it's actually indicative of
the high quality of free software: we have to argue whether pre-release
features/functionality should be used in critical production machines. 

I agree that "sworn-off" is bad form, but the proper response is that
FreeBSD has a well developed and executed quality control protocol. Nobody
here has *any* reason to foist inadequate software on anyone else. The other
side of it is *everybody* here has good reason to prevent urban legends from
undermining the FreeBSD project.

BTW: (IMnsHO) any business that can tolerate the unknown risks of WinNT in
production can also handle the calculated risks of FreeBSD-STABLE and its
marginal technology. We need to be very careful (and honest) about what
those risks are. 


***** start reading here if you're skimming *****
Which brings me to my question:
If I were to experiment with vinum reliability, what *exactly* should I toy
with to create failures, and what would they look like? 
(please respond to me directly and not the list, unless you can redirect the
thread to a better list with some background in this question)

Mike Smith wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 01:01:50PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote:
> > > > After getting seriously burned (fortunately, during initial system
> > > > configuration), I've sworn off vinum for any sort of critical production
> > > > use.
> > >
> > > Of course, this is an absurdly myopic view to take of a product that's
> > > still under development.  It's people like yourself and statements like
> > > that that give open-development software products a bad name.  8(
> >
> > No offense, but you are wrong and he is right. A 'still under developement'
> > product should NOT be used for critical production machines.
> 
> Perhaps we're seeing this differently, but "sworn off vinum" says to me
> "never using it again", and that's the point I was trying to make.
> People try something that's still under development, get bitten, and
> then claim forever after that the product is dangerous, regardless of
> whether or not it's subsequently fixed.
> 
> This is a _major_ image issue.
> 
> > I am sure
> > when vinum is more robust and less likely to much your data for dinner
> > he, and many other people who use FreeBSD in situations where data loss
> > is not an option, will reconsider it's use.
> 
> I'm not convinced of this, but worse still are the people that, having
> read Michael's message, or turned it up in a year's time, will never
> assess it for themselves because they're scared off by these
> unqualified comments.

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At 1:43 PM -0700 1999/9/15, Jamie Norwood wrote:

> No offense, but you are wrong and he is right. A 'still under developement'
> product should NOT be used for critical production machines.

	You're absolutely right.  I believe that even with the latest 
code, Greg does not recommend that it be used for production systems, 
and I recall relatively recent comments by Matt Dillon to the same 
effect.  Anyone who is brave enough (or stupid enough) to use it on a 
production system gets what they deserve.  While very promising, it's 
still not production-grade code.

	That said, I still think I'm going to give it a serious go on our 
Diablo/dreaderd news reader servers.

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At 12:45 AM +0400 1999/9/16, 
=?koi8-r?Q?=E1=CE=D4=CF=CE=20=E1=CE=C1=D4=CF=CC=D8=C5=D7=C9=DE wrote:

> I planning to build new intranet server based of 3-STABLE.
> Buying of hardware RAID is a bit expensive for me and AFAIK, vinum is
> the best solution for me.
> Is it possible to use HotPlug HDD feature under vinum, and if "yes" -
> HowTo?

	The equipment I'm aware of supporting a hot swap feature is 
expensive, and requires support from the OS and/or the drivers to 
enable the hot swap features.  I do not believe that this support can 
be found in vinum, nor do I believe that it can be found in FreeBSD 
3.x-STABLE.

	If you're going to spend that kind of money for hot swap drives, 
then I think the cost of a hardware RAID controller would be a 
relatively minimal addition.  There's no sense trying to do this on 
the cheap for the controller, when you're then going to go out and 
spend all that much money on the hot swap drives.

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At 02:09 PM 9/15/99 -0700, Mike Smith wrote:
>Perhaps we're seeing this differently, but "sworn off vinum" says to me 
>"never using it again", and that's the point I was trying to make.  
>People try something that's still under development, get bitten, and 
>then claim forever after that the product is dangerous, regardless of 
>whether or not it's subsequently fixed.

Well Greg considers it a "release" anyway and no longer alpha.  Surely it
may be "under development" still, but then isn't -stable?

This thread could be as much about someone swearing off -stable, since they
might try building when something is broken.

>This is a _major_ image issue.

Especially since it made it's debut in 3.0R and it's been mostly bug fixes
and the addition of the RAID 5 code.

>> I am sure
>> when vinum is more robust and less likely to much your data for dinner
>> he, and many other people who use FreeBSD in situations where data loss 
>> is not an option, will reconsider it's use. 
>
>I'm not convinced of this, but worse still are the people that, having 
>read Michael's message, or turned it up in a year's time, will never 
>assess it for themselves because they're scared off by these 
>unqualified comments.

Yep, but that's the way people are.  A Linux user I know is moving from
Redhat to Slackware and it surprised me, since it was a royal pain to
install.  That was about 5 years ago.  Long memory.

Would still mention his preference change despite my aversion, but then I
quite happy with what I run. 8-)

It should be rather needless to say that there are a lot things one can do
(incorrectly) that will turn you data into dinner, lunch, or trash.  The 2
arguements here are unsubstantiated.

"I heard that..."  Bah!

Hopefully the searching would turn up the more significant number of
successes and minor problems that Greg usually responds very quickly to.


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> At 12:45 AM +0400 1999/9/16, 
> =?koi8-r?Q?=E1=CE=D4=CF=CE=20=E1=CE=C1=D4=CF=CC=D8=C5=D7=C9=DE wrote:
> 
> > I planning to build new intranet server based of 3-STABLE.
> > Buying of hardware RAID is a bit expensive for me and AFAIK, vinum is
> > the best solution for me.
> > Is it possible to use HotPlug HDD feature under vinum, and if "yes" -
> > HowTo?
> 
> 	The equipment I'm aware of supporting a hot swap feature is 
> expensive, and requires support from the OS and/or the drivers to 
> enable the hot swap features.  I do not believe that this support can 
> be found in vinum, nor do I believe that it can be found in FreeBSD 
> 3.x-STABLE.

Depends on how automagic you want the ``hot swap''.  If you can deal
with manual intevention the support is in FreeBSD.  I use it on a
regular basis to master drives for production boxes. 
camcontrol start/stop/rescan are my friends, and a hot swap paddle
board that lets me gracefully power the drive up and down while
disconneted from the SCSI bus.

It's not DPT with an intergration kit, or Mylex SCSI-SCSI bridging
RAID, but it is hot swap and meets my needs just fine.

> 
> 	If you're going to spend that kind of money for hot swap drives, 
> then I think the cost of a hardware RAID controller would be a 
> relatively minimal addition.  There's no sense trying to do this on 
> the cheap for the controller, when you're then going to go out and 
> spend all that much money on the hot swap drives.

Hot Swap != RAID.  Though the two are often used togeather.  The
cost for the Hot Swap done correctly with Kingston Canisters and
true Hot Swap cards that handle the SCSI bus very cleanly for you
is about $260/drive (DE100i + DX100SW).  About $1300 for a 5 drive
setup.  The hardware RAID controller will cost you $1500 to $5000
depending on what you want.   So it's not really ``all that much
money on hot swap drives''.


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At 7:11 PM -0500 1999/9/15, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote:

> Well Greg considers it a "release" anyway and no longer alpha.  Surely it
> may be "under development" still, but then isn't -stable?

	My apologies.  I was under the impression that it was still 
considered alpha code, but then I guess if it was it probably 
wouldn't have migrated to the -STABLE tree, now would it?


	Anyone have any more recent statements from Greg (or Matt, or 
anyone else that has previously expressed an opinion on the subject) 
with regards to whether or not they suggest using vinum on production 
systems yet?

	I know Greg is really busy trying to un-bury himself from 
thousands of mail messages, so I figure there's not much sense in me 
asking him directly.

> Hopefully the searching would turn up the more significant number of
> successes and minor problems that Greg usually responds very quickly to.

	True, very true.  Greg has always been very responsive to my bug 
reports, once I understood enough about what kind of information he 
wanted to see.


	Thanks everyone!

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At 03:45 AM 9/16/99 +0800, Michael Robinson wrote:
>Also, keep in mind that vinum does very little in the way of sanity checking.
>It's very happy to trash your data if you tell it to do something even a
>little bit unusual.

Like anything it will only do what you tell it, so in a way I'm of agreement.

>After getting seriously burned (fortunately, during initial system
>configuration), I've sworn off vinum for any sort of critical production
>use.

When was this?  What were you trying do?

Not long back I decided to add a plex to a volume.  There isn't any
specific documentation or example for this.  Having read the docs several
dozen times over the past year made me pretty sure of how to do this.

In short the first couple time ended up munging the vinum lable for the
exisiting plex and "losing" my data.  Since nothing was written to the
volume it was possible to redo the labels.  Presto!  Everything was still
present.  Then wiped out the new plex, started over, and had the new plex
running.  The data synchronized much faster than I expected and hardly
touched the CPU at all.  In fact it didn't seem to be running a first glance.

Don't see how you could get "burned" on an initial setup unless you did
something wrong such as labeling the wrong drive or overwriting an existing
filesystem.

>Raw performance is only one factor in the equation.

Ease of use would be another and vinum isn't the easiest thing to use at
first, but at least the docs have come a long way and once you tinker
around it isn't all that difficult.


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As I recall, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote:
> 	This is in line with what I would expect for RAID 0 and 1.  CPU
> usage just makes the I/O performance measurements more compelling.   CPU
> will also be more interesting when it comes to measuring the RAID 5
> performance later.

And you'd particularly want to check CPU on the RAID 5 with a disc
down.  Life is worst when you have to do the pre-reads to be able to
calculate the XORs when writing and reading a 4 plex that just used
to be a 5 plex.

Load and response during catchup would also be a useful data point.


	-crl
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	Hi guys, I'd like to compile the cyrus imap with kerberos
support, but:

apd.conf\" -O -pipe login_krb_pwcheck.c
In file included from login_krb_pwcheck.c:43:
/usr/include/netinet/in.h:224: parse error before `u_int32_t'
/usr/include/netinet/in.h:224: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or
union
/usr/include/netinet/in.h:276: parse error before `u_char'
/usr/include/netinet/in.h:276: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or
union
/usr/include/netinet/in.h:277: warning: data definition has no type or
storage class
/usr/include/netinet/in.h:278: parse error before `sin_port'
/usr/include/netinet/in.h:278: warning: data definition has no type or
storage class
/usr/include/netinet/in.h:281: parse error before `}'
/usr/include/netinet/in.h:291: field `ip_dst' has incomplete type
/usr/include/netinet/in.h:343: field `imr_multiaddr' has incomplete type
/usr/include/netinet/in.h:344: field `imr_interface' has incomplete type
login_krb_pwcheck.c: In function `login_plaintext':
login_krb_pwcheck.c:111: `errno' undeclared (first use this function)
login_krb_pwcheck.c:111: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
login_krb_pwcheck.c:111: for each function it appears in.)
login_krb_pwcheck.c: In function `login_authproc':
login_krb_pwcheck.c:241: warning: passing arg 4 of `kname_parse' discards
`const' from pointer target type
login_krb_pwcheck.c:245: warning: passing arg 4 of `kname_parse' discards
`const' from pointer target type
/usr/include/netinet/in.h: At top level:
/usr/include/netinet/in.h:279: storage size of `sin_addr' isn't known
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

 cyrus is version 1.5.19 and FreeBSD 3.2


Any glue?

TIA, Aldenor

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"Jeffrey J. Mountin" <jeff-ml@mountin.net> writes:
>Like anything it will only do what you tell it, so in a way I'm of agreement.

My biggest objection to vinum is that it will do what you tell it to,
and then complain afterwards, rather than complain about it at the time
you try to do it.  Two good examples:

1. You can add drives partitions that haven't yet been MAKEDEV'ed
   into the filesystem.  They will be added to the vinum configuration
   information.  Then vinum will give profuse messages about 
   inaccessible devices.

2. You can create a striped plex from unequally-sized subdisks.  The
   plex will be added to the vinum configuration information.  Then 
   vinum will give profuse messages complaining that striped subdisks have
   to be the same size.

>>After getting seriously burned (fortunately, during initial system
>>configuration), I've sworn off vinum for any sort of critical production
>>use.
>
>When was this?  What were you trying do?

This was 3.3-RC bits, last week.  The specific action was this:  I had
a 0+1 configuration.  One of the mirrored plexes was suffering from problem
#2 above, so I had deleted it.  However, because the "vinum start" command
apparently opens all the partitions and keeps them open, I couldn't change
the disklabel on the odd-sized partition.  So, I tried to manually start
the other plex by "vinum read disk1" followed by "vinum read disk2",
instead of "vinum read disk1 disk2".  What happened after that was the
two subdisks of the striped plex were essentially trashed.  All sorts of
really cool kernel side effects were visible at that time, such as streams
of garbage characters on the console that precluded an orderly shutdown.
A couple of hard restarts later, and there wasn't anything left to salvage.

I have extensive experience with Veritas Volume Manager under Solaris.  In
many ways, I think vinum is an excellent replacement.  However, it very much
seems that it is still in the "try to make it work" stage of development
and hasn't yet entered the "try to break it" stage.

	-Michael Robinson



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Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au> writes:
>> Also, keep in mind that vinum does very little in the way of sanity checking.
>> It's very happy to trash your data if you tell it to do something even a
>> little bit unusual.
>> 
>> After getting seriously burned (fortunately, during initial system
>> configuration), I've sworn off vinum for any sort of critical production
>> use.
>
>Of course, this is an absurdly myopic view to take of a product that's 
>still under development.  It's people like yourself and statements like 
>that that give open-development software products a bad name.  8(

Well, I'm sorry if my view came across as myopic.  There are many applications
where I could see vinum put to productive use.  However a 24x7 business-
critical production environment isn't one of them.  

People who are looking for vinum to replace hardware RAID drivers in such
environments should be made aware that vinum isn't up to the rock-solid 
standard of reliability as the rest of the FreeBSD operating system, and
won't be for a while.

Right up to the point where it wiped out my installation, I was very happy
with it, though.

	-Michael Robinson




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At 02:30 AM 9/16/99 +0200, Brad Knowles wrote:
>	My apologies.  I was under the impression that it was still 
>considered alpha code, but then I guess if it was it probably 
>wouldn't have migrated to the -STABLE tree, now would it?

None needed, but we're not the only ones that assumed that it's alpha and
to date I can't recall seeing anything to the contrary, except what he
wrote back privately:

--
No.  I don't know why people still think that.
It was released with >3.0-RELEASE.
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>	I know Greg is really busy trying to un-bury himself from 
>thousands of mail messages, so I figure there's not much sense in me 
>asking him directly.

Good choice since he hasn't replied to anything here yet and ususally does.
 Rather promptly I might add.  Either buried or on vacaction.


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At 09:43 AM 9/16/99 +0800, Michael Robinson wrote:
>My biggest objection to vinum is that it will do what you tell it to,
>and then complain afterwards, rather than complain about it at the time
>you try to do it.  Two good examples:
>
>1. You can add drives partitions that haven't yet been MAKEDEV'ed
>   into the filesystem.  They will be added to the vinum configuration
>   information.  Then vinum will give profuse messages about 
>   inaccessible devices.

Not quite sure I follow this.  I *may* have seen similar behaviour in the
past, but think of it as pilot error that was easy to fix.

Were you using sysinstall to setup the partitions?  I find that
post-install use of sysinstall doesn't always create the devices.

>2. You can create a striped plex from unequally-sized subdisks.  The
>   plex will be added to the vinum configuration information.  Then 
>   vinum will give profuse messages complaining that striped subdisks have
>   to be the same size.

Pretty sure that this is not advised and you should ensure that striped
plexes are the same size.  Never tried using a length of zero on uneven
subdisks (should work, IMO), but see your point.

Looks like some sanity checks are needed to avoid pilot error.

>This was 3.3-RC bits, last week.  The specific action was this:  I had
>a 0+1 configuration.  One of the mirrored plexes was suffering from problem
>#2 above, so I had deleted it.  However, because the "vinum start" command
>apparently opens all the partitions and keeps them open, I couldn't change
>the disklabel on the odd-sized partition.  So, I tried to manually start
>the other plex by "vinum read disk1" followed by "vinum read disk2",
>instead of "vinum read disk1 disk2".  What happened after that was the
>two subdisks of the striped plex were essentially trashed.  All sorts of
>really cool kernel side effects were visible at that time, such as streams
>of garbage characters on the console that precluded an orderly shutdown.
>A couple of hard restarts later, and there wasn't anything left to salvage.

Not up to trying this at the moment, but you should have been able to fix
this.  Did so with a 0+1 setup, but it was a bit tedious.  Don't care to
answer this one publicly, since what I do may not be the "proper" way, but
it does work and allows some variation.

Documentation or examples pertaining to fixing and recovering from problems
is lacking, as well as adding/removing objects.  The latter I pointed out
to Greg after mucking my way through it.

>I have extensive experience with Veritas Volume Manager under Solaris.  In
>many ways, I think vinum is an excellent replacement.  However, it very much
>seems that it is still in the "try to make it work" stage of development
>and hasn't yet entered the "try to break it" stage.

One thing mentioned quite a while back the configuration management need
work and your experiences show that it still does.


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On Wed, 15-Sep-1999 at 15:09:49 -0700, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote:
> In message <199909151701.KAA00833@dingo.cdrom.com>, Mike Smith writes:
> > > I noticed that ipfilter in -stable and -current is still 3.2.7 while
> > > 3.2.10 has been released quite a while ago. Are there any plans to
> > > import 3.2.10 into -stable? How difficult are the changes that have
> > > to be made?
> > 
> > Ipfilter's principal developer and maintainer (Darren Reed) is 
> > responsible for the upkeep of ipfilter in the FreeBSD tree.  You should 
> > check with him to determine his schedule for this, but I suspect he may 
> > have other priorities (I get the impression he's a fairly busy chap).
> 
> I asked this same question on the IP Filter mailing list.  Guido van 
> Rooij (guido@freebsd.org) responded to me stating that he had 
> volunteered to take over IP Filter support for FreeBSD.  The only hold 
> up was that he was waiting for a box to do the work on.

Yes, meanwhile, I contacted him and he confirmed :-)

Thanks,
	-Andre


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On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 10:19:25AM -0400, Ira L Cooper wrote:
> 	Can you FTP/SCP large files?  I don't understand your test
> enviornment well enough to duplicate it here.

Yes.  FTP works at a reasonable speed in both directions with 100 MB+
files.  I'll continue tinkering from time to time, in the hope of
turning up something which gives the experts a clue as to why some
combinations work so slowly.

I don't expect to do much in the near future - I'm nearly totally
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On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 04:17:41PM +0000, Nawfal M. Rouyan wrote:
> 	I would like to ask about the difference between
> 'make release' and 'make world'.

Further to the good advice in Ruslan's reply:

You would use "make world" to UPDATE a system (or perhaps many).  This
is used by many people.

You would only use "make release" if you wanted to build a release
structure, from which you could burn CD's or use FTP or NFS so that you
could INSTALL FreeBSD on a system (or many).  This is a fairly rare
requirement.

Building a release needs a lot of disk space and processor time.  For
example, you'll generally need a complete CVS repository.

Below are a couple of Makefile fragments which I use when building
stable and current releases.  If you don't know what current is, or the
conditions which attach to its use, don't even think of using it!

stable-release: stable-src-build
	cd ${STABLE}/src/release; TMPDIR=/tmp CVSROOT=/home/ncvs nice -20 make release BUILDNAME=3-stable`date +%C%y%m%d` CHROOTDIR=/d3p3/stable-release RELEASETAG=RELENG_3 NODOC=YES NOPORTS=YES	> $(LOGDIR)/$(.TARGET).log 2>&1
	$(LOGGER) "stable-release performed"
	touch $(.TARGET)

current-release: current-src-build
	cd ${CURRENT}/src/release; TMPDIR=/tmp CVSROOT=/home/ncvs nice -20 make release BUILDNAME=4-current`date +%C%y%m%d` CHROOTDIR=/d3p4/current-release NODOC=YES NOPORTS=YES	> $(LOGDIR)/$(.TARGET).log 2>&1
	$(LOGGER) "current-release performed"
	touch $(.TARGET)

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I've submitted a couple of PRs some months ago to fix small warnings when
compiling the kernel. The silence has been deafening and the PRs are still open
and the warnings still there.  I noticed a few more in the latest kernel
update.  Is there any interest in me submitting a PR fixing these?





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"Sameer R. Manek" <manek@quadrunner.com> writes:
> In either case, my original question still stands. Is the 3com 509
> driver buggy? If so what's wrong with it? I haven't noticed any bugs
> so far.

The answer, as always, is "search the archives" (the -current and
-questions archives are the best places to look)

DES
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At 9:43 AM +0800 1999/9/16, Michael Robinson wrote:

>                                       What happened after that was the
> two subdisks of the striped plex were essentially trashed.  All sorts of
> really cool kernel side effects were visible at that time, such as streams
> of garbage characters on the console that precluded an orderly shutdown.
> A couple of hard restarts later, and there wasn't anything left to salvage.

	If there was any way to capture this sort of information, I 
assure you that Greg would have wanted to find out what it was, so 
that he could discover what the real problem was that caused it, and 
make changes to the code to help prevent things like this from 
happening again.


	It's not good when things like this happen.

	However, sometimes the only way to find certain types of bugs is 
to try to use the product in ways it was not intended (or ways in 
which the author did not foresee, although they would appear to be 
consistent with the documentation), and then watch the sparks fly. 
After that, you have to try to pick up the pieces and figure out what 
the heck happened.

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At 5:55 PM -0700 1999/9/15, Chad R. Larson wrote:

> And you'd particularly want to check CPU on the RAID 5 with a disc
> down.  Life is worst when you have to do the pre-reads to be able to
> calculate the XORs when writing and reading a 4 plex that just used
> to be a 5 plex.
>
> Load and response during catchup would also be a useful data point.

	Good ideas all.  I'll try to capture this kind of information in 
my future tests.


	Thanks!

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Yes I have seen the same, and yes I'd like to see them fixed also!
A PR? Well maybe that's not necessary .... :)

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory Bond <gnb@itga.com.au>
> I've submitted a couple of PRs some months ago to fix small warnings when
> compiling the kernel. The silence has been deafening and the PRs are still
open
> and the warnings still there.  I noticed a few more in the latest kernel
> update.  Is there any interest in me submitting a PR fixing these?




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From owner-freebsd-stable  Thu Sep 16 11:20:43 1999
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Well , isnt is lovely.

I woke up this morning expecting to see 3.3-R and after building a fresh
kernel i wound up with 3.3-Stable ...  which it was a great surprise ..
Just to let everyone know, the build was smooth as can be.

thanks,
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Thu Sep 16 12: 0:55 1999
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Speaking of which, when will 3.3-R be hitting the site?  (I'm
waiting patiently so the PAO folks can update their install disks
so I can do a 3.3-R install on a laptop...)

Ob3.3WarmFuzzy: I have had nothing but good experiences with 3.3-RC
and beyond so far too (-:

On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Mike Steinfeld wrote:

: Well , isnt is lovely.
: 
: I woke up this morning expecting to see 3.3-R and after building a fresh
: kernel i wound up with 3.3-Stable ...  which it was a great surprise ..
: Just to let everyone know, the build was smooth as can be.

Matt Behrens <matt@zigg.com>
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Mike and others,
I had the same situation; a perfectly clean world.  (Well, disregarding
the fact that I had schg flags on /bin, /usr/bin, etc. =])

-- 
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...In practice, there is a big difference.


On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Mike Steinfeld wrote:

> Well , isnt is lovely.
> 
> I woke up this morning expecting to see 3.3-R and after building a fresh
> kernel i wound up with 3.3-Stable ...  which it was a great surprise ..
> Just to let everyone know, the build was smooth as can be.
> 
> thanks,
> _________________________________________________________________
> 
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> Unix Administrator
> Sprawlnet.com INC.
> 
> 
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Yep, as usual you guys do a great job.  I upgraded my main shell server last
night and several other systems today with no problems.

Oh yea...I was wondering this, why not create a dns round-robin for cvsup
servers?  That way if any of the servers are down or busy, the retry will
probably goto a diffrent sever making and if everyone just used the round
robin, then the load will be quite evenly distributed.

The only disadvantage is for people who want to use a particual server
because of net-proximity or other reasons, but they of course can still do
so.

Feel free to tell me that I am stupid, but if you do, at least explain why.

Joe Gleason
Tasam

> Well , isnt is lovely.
>
> I woke up this morning expecting to see 3.3-R and after building a fresh
> kernel i wound up with 3.3-Stable ...  which it was a great surprise ..
> Just to let everyone know, the build was smooth as can be.
>
> thanks,
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
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> Oh yea...I was wondering this, why not create a dns round-robin for cvsup
> servers?  That way if any of the servers are down or busy, the retry will
> probably goto a diffrent sever making and if everyone just used the round
> robin, then the load will be quite evenly distributed.

As in so many other things FreeBSD, the answer is:

This issue has been debated to death.  Please check the -stable and
-current archives.


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Hello,
I tried to get the latest sources via cvsup and ran into a 
problem:
galileo# cvsup -L 2 -g /usr/local/etc/cvsup/stable-supfile 
Parsing supfile "/usr/local/etc/cvsup/stable-supfile"
Looking up address of cvsup3.FreeBSD.ORG
Connecting to cvsup3.FreeBSD.ORG
Connected to cvsup3.FreeBSD.ORG
Rejected by server: Access denied
Will retry at 14:31:46

Did something change?   Thanks!
	Vladimir


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On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 07:27:32PM -0000, vladimir@math.uic.edu wrote:
> Hello,
> I tried to get the latest sources via cvsup and ran into a 
> problem:
> galileo# cvsup -L 2 -g /usr/local/etc/cvsup/stable-supfile 
> Parsing supfile "/usr/local/etc/cvsup/stable-supfile"
> Looking up address of cvsup3.FreeBSD.ORG
> Connecting to cvsup3.FreeBSD.ORG
> Connected to cvsup3.FreeBSD.ORG
> Rejected by server: Access denied
> Will retry at 14:31:46
> 
> Did something change?   Thanks!

Probably running at max connections ... try cvsup.dk.freebsd.org

/Jesper

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I, as well, had "yet another" smooth, painless, no sweat, easy as pie, etc...
update to 3.3-STABLE from 3.2-STABLE!!!

Come on... I'm starting to feel spoiled... ;-P

MO!



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> Speaking of which, when will 3.3-R be hitting the site?  (I'm
> waiting patiently so the PAO folks can update their install disks
> so I can do a 3.3-R install on a laptop...)

Soon, just another day or so here.

- Jordan


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At 01:04 PM 9/16/99 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
>> Speaking of which, when will 3.3-R be hitting the site?  (I'm
>> waiting patiently so the PAO folks can update their install disks
>> so I can do a 3.3-R install on a laptop...)
>
>Soon, just another day or so here.

Both the 3.3R ftp directory and ISO images?

Would be nice if the ISO's were broken up.  Not a major issue, but am
willing to burn as soon as they appear.

If the normal FTP shows up first, then I'll give that a few runs as well.


Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net
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On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 12:47:28PM -0700, Michael Oski wrote:
> I, as well, had "yet another" smooth, painless, no sweat, easy as pie, etc...
> update to 3.3-STABLE from 3.2-STABLE!!!
> 
> Come on... I'm starting to feel spoiled... ;-P
> 
> MO!

Get used to it, it's our strength :)

Joe
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Thu Sep 16 14:18:48 1999
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I installed the apache13-fp port on a box running 3.2-STABLE (circa
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On 16 Sep 1999 vladimir@math.uic.edu wrote:

> Connected to cvsup3.FreeBSD.ORG
> Rejected by server: Access denied

	Been like that for a while now. There is a reason, but I don't
remember what it is. Boiled down to, "use a different one." :)

Good luck,

Doug
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to have as many women you got.' I looked at my mother dear and didn't even
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Thu Sep 16 14:32: 1 1999
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Yesterday, I wrote:
> A newer approach is to run sendmail as a non-privileged user and/or
> in a sandbox, relying on separate, smaller, easily audited programs
> to manage the port binding and mail delivery.

Having looked into this further (after a followup message), it seems
I stretched reality slightly here.  I thought sendmail had a facility
to run as a daemon on a socket passed into it (ie stdin or stdout).
(Which would allow a trivial root program to create a socket, bind
it to port 25, drop root and exec sendmail).

It turns out that sendmail only has the ability to handle a single
SMTP exchange via stdin/stdout - which allows it to be run from inetd.
(But this mode has a variety of performance-related disadvantages).

Sendmail _does_ have a built-in `run-as-user/group' facility, but
there's a significant amount of code (including the sendmail.cf
processing) that still runs as root.

Sorry for any confusion.

Peter


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From owner-freebsd-stable  Thu Sep 16 14:34:51 1999
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On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Mike Steinfeld wrote:

> Well , isnt is lovely.
> 
> I woke up this morning expecting to see 3.3-R and after building a fresh
> kernel i wound up with 3.3-Stable ...  which it was a great surprise ..
> Just to let everyone know, the build was smooth as can be.

	-RELEASE tags specify a brief moment in time. Think of the CVS
tree like a very long thread. Think of laying down a -RELEASE tag as
taking an infinitely precise magic marker and marking a point on that
thread. At that point the thread is called 3.3-RELEASE. Right after that
point the "name" of the thread is 3.3-STABLE (vastly oversimplified of
course), but it's all the same thread. :)

HTH,

Doug
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to have as many women you got.' I looked at my mother dear and didn't even
crack a smile. I said, 'If women kill me, I don't mind dyin!'" 

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On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Gregory Bond wrote:

> 
> I've submitted a couple of PRs some months ago to fix small warnings when
> compiling the kernel. The silence has been deafening and the PRs are still open
> and the warnings still there.  I noticed a few more in the latest kernel
> update.  Is there any interest in me submitting a PR fixing these?

	We just had a thread about "Where do I send stuff" on another
list. My suggestion based on that conversation is that if you have code,
send a mention of it to -Current, perhaps with the patch(es) if it/they
are small. In that message you should mention that there are more fixes
available in your PR, and mention the number. If you don't get any action
there, try -hackers. 

	There are people interested in fixing these problems (and people
like me interested in having them fixed) but they don't all hang out in
-stable, and PR dealing with is a hit and miss proposition sometimes for
non-urgent items. 

HTH,

Doug
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to have as many women you got.' I looked at my mother dear and didn't even
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From: Doug <Doug@gorean.org>
Subject: Re: 3.3-STABLE


> On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Mike Steinfeld wrote:
>
> > Well , isnt is lovely.
> >
> > I woke up this morning expecting to see 3.3-R and after building a
fresh
> > kernel i wound up with 3.3-Stable ...  which it was a great surprise
..
> > Just to let everyone know, the build was smooth as can be.
>
> -RELEASE tags specify a brief moment in time. Think of the CVS
> tree like a very long thread. Think of laying down a -RELEASE tag as
> taking an infinitely precise magic marker and marking a point on that
> thread. At that point the thread is called 3.3-RELEASE. Right after
that
> point the "name" of the thread is 3.3-STABLE (vastly oversimplified of
> course), but it's all the same thread. :)

One other special thing about the RELEASE tag is that the tree is frozen
for some period of time before a release date. At least that was my
understanding. So how would I specify the 'tag= ' field in my cvsup file
if I want to obtain FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE as opposed to STABLE?

Thanks in advance.
--
Glenn Johnson
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On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 05:03:14PM -0500, Glenn Johnson wrote:
> From: Doug <Doug@gorean.org>
> Subject: Re: 3.3-STABLE
> 
> One other special thing about the RELEASE tag is that the tree is frozen
> for some period of time before a release date. At least that was my
> understanding. So how would I specify the 'tag= ' field in my cvsup file
> if I want to obtain FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE as opposed to STABLE?
> 

Use RELENG_3_3_0_RELEASE for the RELEASE version of 3.3, and RELENG_3
for the stable version of the 3.x branch.

Joe
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> At 01:04 PM 9/16/99 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> >> Speaking of which, when will 3.3-R be hitting the site?  (I'm
> >> waiting patiently so the PAO folks can update their install disks
> >> so I can do a 3.3-R install on a laptop...)
> >
> >Soon, just another day or so here.
> 
> Both the 3.3R ftp directory and ISO images?

Yes.  They're up now, in fact.

> Would be nice if the ISO's were broken up.  Not a major issue, but am
> willing to burn as soon as they appear.

The ISO install image will be gzipped and bzipped.

- Jordan


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At 03:21 PM 9/16/99 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
>Yes.  They're up now, in fact.

Looky there. 8-)

Must have happened after I sent.

>The ISO install image will be gzipped and bzipped.

In progress.  As I watch the gzip'd ISO grow...  Should be interesting to
see the size difference between gzip and bzip.  I'll wait for the latter.

How long before the ISO is sent off to production?


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> In progress.  As I watch the gzip'd ISO grow...  Should be interesting to
> see the size difference between gzip and bzip.  I'll wait for the latter.

I doubt you're going to see a huge difference, but we'll see. :)

> How long before the ISO is sent off to production?

Tomorrow, if all testing goes well.

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Josef Karthauser wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 12:47:28PM -0700, Michael Oski wrote:
> > I, as well, had "yet another" smooth, painless, no sweat, easy as pie, etc...
> > update to 3.3-STABLE from 3.2-STABLE!!!
> >
> > Come on... I'm starting to feel spoiled... ;-P
> >
> > MO!
>
> Get used to it, it's our strength :)
>
> Joe
> --
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Oh, I'm used to it.... Been using FreeBSD since v2.0.5! Which is why I'm spoiled!
hehe

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At 06:21 PM 9/16/99 , Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
>> At 01:04 PM 9/16/99 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
>> >> Speaking of which, when will 3.3-R be hitting the site?  (I'm
>> >> waiting patiently so the PAO folks can update their install disks
>> >> so I can do a 3.3-R install on a laptop...)
>> >
>> >Soon, just another day or so here.
>> 
>> Both the 3.3R ftp directory and ISO images?
>
>Yes.  They're up now, in fact.

Just looking at the release notes, and I think there is a small error

------------
The proftpd port has been updated with the latest patches to prevent
possible remote root exploits.
------------

Was it not marked 'unsafe' instead ?

	---Mike
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On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Mike Tancsa wrote:

> ------------
> The proftpd port has been updated with the latest patches to prevent
> possible remote root exploits.
> ------------
> 
> Was it not marked 'unsafe' instead ?

FORBIDDEN, I thought. The buzz on BUGTRAQ is that no version of proftpd
is safe still, and exploits are on the way.

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I just upgraded to 3.3-STABLE (today's sources) and am getting the
following odd behavior in my dmesg:

cda1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0
da1: <QUANTUM ATLAS IV 9 WLS 0808> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device
da1: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing
Enabled
da1: 8761MB (17942584 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1116C)
da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
da0: <QUANTUM VIKING II 4.5WLS 4110> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device
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Enabled
da0: 4350MB (8910423 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 554C)
hanging root device to da0s1a

My system is an IBM PC Server, PII 300MHz and 192MB of RAM. It's SCSI
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What is happening here? Also, what does "hanging root device to da0s1a"
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Hello,

I installed 2.2.7 5 mouths ago from a borrowed CD set.
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Mike Tancsa wrote:
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> Just looking at the release notes, and I think there is a small error
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Apologies for my ignorance, but where can I find the 3.3 release notes? I  
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Gerd Knops wrote:
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> Mike Tancsa wrote:
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> > Just looking at the release notes, and I think there is a small error
> >
> Apologies for my ignorance, but where can I find the 3.3 release notes? I
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Hristo Grigorov wrote:
> 
> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/3.3-RELEASE/RELNOTES.TXT
> 
> Gerd Knops wrote:
> >
> > Mike Tancsa wrote:
> > >
> > > Just looking at the release notes, and I think there is a small error
> > >
> > Apologies for my ignorance, but where can I find the 3.3 release notes? I
> > cvsup'd 3.3 stable today, but everything in /usr/src/release/texts is still
> > for 3.2. And http://www.freebsd.org/releases/index.html does not mention 3.3

Since you cvsup'ed it, you might look at
/usr/src/release/texts/i386/RELNOTES.TXT

Kent

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Kent Stewart wrote:
> Hristo Grigorov wrote:
> >
> > <ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/3.3-RELEASE/RELNOTES.TXT
> >
> > Gerd Knops wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike Tancsa wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just looking at the release notes, and I think there is a small error
> > > >
> > > Apologies for my ignorance, but where can I find the 3.3 release notes?
> > > I cvsup'd 3.3 stable today, but everything in /usr/src/release/texts is
> > > still for 3.2. And <http://www.freebsd.org/releases/index.html does not
> > > mention 3.3
>
> Since you cvsup'ed it, you might look at
> /usr/src/release/texts/i386/RELNOTES.TXT
>
This path doesn't exist. Instead there is (as I said in my original EMail)  
/usr/src/release/texts/RELNOTES.TXT, but that are the 3.2 release notes.  
Seems something isn't up to date yet on the csv servers. (And yes, I did do a  
'make world' and rebuild the kernel and it reports as FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE).

Gerd
  


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On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 08:34:11PM -0400, Bill Fumerola wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Mike Tancsa wrote:
> 
> > ------------
> > The proftpd port has been updated with the latest patches to prevent
> > possible remote root exploits.
> > ------------
> > 
> > Was it not marked 'unsafe' instead ?
> 
> FORBIDDEN, I thought. The buzz on BUGTRAQ is that no version of proftpd
> is safe still, and exploits are on the way.

The port was updated and then more security holes were found.  And I have a 
updated local copy and even more security holes were found.  In theory a
new proftpd release will be out tomorrow or the next day with all the holes 
patched, including the holes mentioned on BUGTRAQ.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Jim King <jim@cgi.sstar.com>
> I installed the apache13-fp port on a box running 3.2-STABLE (circa
> July 1).  When I try to open a web from the Front Page client I get an
> error message, and the Apache error log I get "[notice] child pid 4785
> exit signal Segmentation fault (11)".  What am I doing wrong?

I had something similar when I was running a version of apache that was
compiled for/on a pre-"ELF" FreeBSD version, and running it on post-"ELF"
FreeBSD.
If you have upgraded to 3.2-S but not recompiled the apache port.... I would
do so....
and it is probably a good idea to cvsup aswell :)

Greg




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currently installed 2.2.7

in stablefile :
*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_3
*default delete use-rel-suffix


while doing : make buildworld

i'm geting these errors :

cc -O -pipe -elf -Wall -fkeep-inline-functions
-I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c
/usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/crtbegin.c -o crtbegin.o
/usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/crtbegin.c:32: section attributes are not
supported for this target
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supported for this target
{standard input}: Assembler messages:
{standard input}:68: Error: Unknown pseudo-op:  `.section'
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1


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On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:07:50 -0400, JIS wrote:

> I installed 2.2.7 5 mouths ago from a borrowed CD set.
> I then upgraded the ports tree.

That's probably because people involved in maintaining ports concentrate
on getting them working for 3.x and CURRENT.

> Could you send me a link or info on upgrading my system without
> starting over with a new install.

Yes, certainly. Get yourself a cup of coffee and enjoy Chapter 18 of the
FreeBSD handbook, available at:

	http://internat.freebsd.org/handbook/cutting-edge.html

Ciao,
Sheldon.


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On Thu 1999-09-16 (18:44), Sean-Paul Rees wrote:
> hanging root device to da0s1a
> 
> My system is an IBM PC Server, PII 300MHz and 192MB of RAM. It's SCSI
> controller is an onboard AIC-7880 UltraWide. 
> 
> What is happening here? Also, what does "hanging root device to da0s1a"
> mean?

_C_hanging root device to da0s1a

You'll probably find a missing C somewhere above.

Neil
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 * From: Michael Haro <mharo@FreeBSD.ORG>

 * The port was updated and then more security holes were found.  And I have a 
 * updated local copy and even more security holes were found.  In theory a
 * new proftpd release will be out tomorrow or the next day with all the holes 
 * patched, including the holes mentioned on BUGTRAQ.

Hey, good thing we didn't try to squeeze in the upgrade and take out
the FORBIDDEN, huh? :>

Satoshi


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Hello!

I've just noticed that make release has used an incredible amount of
diskspace (over 5Gbs). Investigating the case, I've found that
${CHROOTDIR}/usr/ports/distfiles contains _ALL_ distfiles found in my
/usr/ports/distfiles. 

How could it be and how do I turn it off without turning off making
the ports tree?

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From owner-freebsd-stable  Fri Sep 17  7:58:30 1999
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If I'm not mistaken, make release is designed for building just that -- a
release.  It will download all things you would need to build disk images
of FreeBSD.  

(If you already knew this -- sorry =])  You may be wanting to look into
make buildworld && make installworld.

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On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Alex Povolotsky wrote:

> Hello!
> 
> I've just noticed that make release has used an incredible amount of
> diskspace (over 5Gbs). Investigating the case, I've found that
> ${CHROOTDIR}/usr/ports/distfiles contains _ALL_ distfiles found in my
> /usr/ports/distfiles. 
> 
> How could it be and how do I turn it off without turning off making
> the ports tree?
> 
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On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Marius Strom wrote:

> If I'm not mistaken, make release is designed for building just that -- a
> release.  It will download all things you would need to build disk images
> of FreeBSD.  
> 
> (If you already knew this -- sorry =])  You may be wanting to look into
> make buildworld && make installworld.

No, at least with:

$FreeBSD: src/release/Makefile,v 1.460.2.27 1999/09/07 20:51:36 jkh Exp $

make release build the equivalent of the 1st CD, which does not
contain distfiles


> 
> -- 
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> In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...
> ...In practice, there is a big difference.
> 
> 
> On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Alex Povolotsky wrote:
> 
> > Hello!
> > 
> > I've just noticed that make release has used an incredible amount of
> > diskspace (over 5Gbs). Investigating the case, I've found that
> > ${CHROOTDIR}/usr/ports/distfiles contains _ALL_ distfiles found in my
> > /usr/ports/distfiles. 
> > 
> > How could it be and how do I turn it off without turning off making
> > the ports tree?
> > 
> > 
> 
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Marius> If I'm not mistaken, make release is designed for building
Marius> just that -- a release.  It will download all things you would
Marius> need to build disk images of FreeBSD.

Marius> (If you already knew this -- sorry =]) You may be wanting to
Marius> look into make buildworld && make installworld.
It should NOT grap all 1.4 Gb of distfiles. It was intended only to
get what is required to build some document ports...
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Thus spake Marius Strom (marius@alpha1.net):

> If I'm not mistaken, make release is designed for building just that -- a
> release.  It will download all things you would need to build disk images
> of FreeBSD.  

Hmm. I did a make release some weeks ago and it didn't fetch any
distfiles for me...

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On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, JIS wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I installed 2.2.7 5 mouths ago from a borrowed CD set.
> I then upgraded the ports tree.
> 
> Could you send me a link or info on upgrading my system without starting
> over with
> a new install.

	http://freebsd.simplenet.com/make-upgrade.html

Good luck,

Doug
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Ben Smithurst wrote:

> Any ideas on getting this drive to work a bit more reliably?

This is typical. As soon as I say this, I go and #define DEBUG in
atapi.c to get some debug information (hopefully), and it won't hang
any more.

Still, at least my problem has gone away (for now).

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I'm having some problems with a CD-ROM drive being detected by FreeBSD at
boot-time. Quite often, when booting, the entire boot process hangs after
the atapi driver has printed "unknown phase" a couple of times. Sometimes
it boots successfully, and in those cases the CD-ROM is found to be:

wdc0: unit 1 (atapi): <CD-ROM Philips PCA408CDB/UH02>, removable, intr, dma, iordis
acd0: drive speed 6890KB/sec, 120KB cache
acd0: supported read types: CD-DA
acd0: Audio: play, 255 volume levels
acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray
acd0: Medium: no/blank disc inside, unlocked

(the wcd0 line is always present.) On another machine, the boot process
doesn't even get as far as FreeBSD, the BIOS just gives a hard disk
failure message. Yes, this *does* suggest the CD drive is dodgy, but
since it sometimes works OK on the machine it was bought for, it would
seem all is not lost.

Any ideas on getting this drive to work a bit more reliably? (Short of
getting a replacement, I can just see it now: "well, since you're not
using Windows, your operating system must be faulty".)

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/usr/bin/passwd from bin packages of 3.3-RELEASE wants libraries:
	libkadm.so.3
	libkrb.so.3
	libdes.so.3

Is it correct? ;(

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> /usr/bin/passwd from bin packages of 3.3-RELEASE wants libraries:
> 	libkadm.so.3
> 	libkrb.so.3
> 	libdes.so.3
> 
> Is it correct? ;(

My fault - I forgot to update the bin directory of 3.3-RELEASE on
ftp.freebsd.org after fixing this one. I did remember to update the
ISO image though! :)

Fixing this now.

- Jordan


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Valentin Nechayev wrote:
> 
> /usr/bin/passwd from bin packages of 3.3-RELEASE wants libraries:
>         libkadm.so.3
>         libkrb.so.3
>         libdes.so.3
> 
> Is it correct? ;(

Could be..I've been having problems with that too.  Downloaded the
3.3-Release (gzipped) ISO Image last night, and even on a minimum
install, the part where you are supposed to set the root password just
blows by, but when you create an additional user, everything works ok.

When the system boots up for the first time, root has no passwd, and the
passwd command gives an error saying either libkadm or libkrb as
mentioned above is missing.   Logging in as the additional user created
at startup works fine, but when you try to do a "su", you get an error
saying libkadm or libkrb is missing (passwd bitches about one of them,
su the other, I don't recall offhand which is which).

Something is definitely goofed there, or the install lets you setup a
goofed system.
	
	Barry


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In message <4.1.19990916213429.05c081e0@granite.sentex.ca> Mike Tancsa writes:
: Just looking at the release notes, and I think there is a small error
: 
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: possible remote root exploits.
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: 
: Was it not marked 'unsafe' instead ?

It was an oversight on my part.  I should have changed the release
notes.  Right before the ports freeze (litterally a few hours) it was
discovered that there were security holes in proftpd.  So, rather than
have that in the 3.3 release disk, I asked Michael Haro to mark it as
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It was my mistake that I didn't go back and fix the release notes.

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In message <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909162033330.1881-100000@jade.chc-chimes.com> Bill Fumerola writes:
: FORBIDDEN, I thought. The buzz on BUGTRAQ is that no version of proftpd
: is safe still, and exploits are on the way.

That is 100% correct.

Warner

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In message <vqc9065vo7u.fsf@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami writes:
: Hey, good thing we didn't try to squeeze in the upgrade and take out
: the FORBIDDEN, huh? :>

Yes.  Your strict policy here saved us.

Warner


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On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Warner Losh wrote:

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> In message <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909162033330.1881-100000@jade.chc-chimes.com> Bill Fumerola writes:
> : FORBIDDEN, I thought. The buzz on BUGTRAQ is that no version of proftpd
> : is safe still, and exploits are on the way.
> 
> That is 100% correct.

What's the word on wu-ftpd? 

-Alfred



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In message <Pine.BSF.4.05.9909171539290.6392-100000@fw.wintelcom.net> Alfred Perlstein writes:
: What's the word on wu-ftpd? 

wu-ftpd works and has no known holes.

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ld.so failed: Can't find shared library "libtiff.so.3.3"

Guys and gals,

    I get the above error message when I try to run an application
that apparently needs tiff libraries.

    I installed /usr/ports/graphics/tiff34, and it created
    /usr/lib/libtiff.so.4

    It's possible that I need /usr/lib/aout/libtiff.so.3.3

    Does anyone know what I need, and where do I get it?

    Thank you for any help you can give,

		     Wayne M Barnes
FreeBSD barnes1.wustl.edu 3.2-STABLE FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE #8: Wed Sep  1 11:13:14 CDT 1999     wayne@barnes1.wustl.edu:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENEONE  i386

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On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Shali Boharon wrote:

> currently installed 2.2.7
> 
> in stablefile :
> *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_3
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> 
> 
> while doing : make buildworld

That's not how you upgrade from 2.2 to 3.x - read the comments in the
makefile. It may be (easier|safer|quicker) to just do a binary upgrade.

Kris



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 * From: Warner Losh <imp@village.org>

 * Yes.  Your strict policy here saved us.

Well, I wouldn't take that much credit, but.... ;)

The morale of the story is that, I guess, it's not a very good idea to
try to upgrade something in the last moment.  (Especially if that
something is not well-tested elsewhere.)

Satoshi


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At 3:48 PM -0600 1999/9/17, Warner Losh wrote:

> That is 100% correct.

	The person who posted the note regarding pre6 on BugTraq has 
already communicated the necessary information to MacGyver, and the 
code has already been fixed in the CVS repository.  I expect that 
pre7 should be available within the next day or two.  At that time, 
the original poster on that subject plans to post the exploit to 
BugTraq, as well as his own patches to fix the problem.

	This said, Mac has agreed that anything based on pre3 is not 
secure and should be removed.  Of course, "pre-anything" with respect 
to ProFTPD is still beta code, and should be treated as such.

-- 
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--- Big Brother told Brian Somers to write, at 20:11 of September 15:
> > 
> > Hi everybody!
> > 
> > I just upgraded my box from stable 19990602 to 19990909. 
> > 
> > I'm having problems with my ppp chat script. It seems it does not send 
> > a carriage return where it should. 
> > 
> > spidey@freed [10:18pm] spidey$ ppp -auto d14
> > Working in auto mode
> > Using interface: tun0
> > spidey@freed [10:18pm] spidey$ pppctl /var/sock/internet
> > ppp ON freed> set log local chat
> > ppp ON freed> Chat: Expect(40): CONNECT
> > Chat: Received: ATDT*70,343 2411
> > Chat: Received: CONNECT
> > Chat: Send: 
> > Chat: Expect(15): ame:
> > Chat: Received:  38400
> > Chat: Received: 
> > Chat: Received: Serveur de terminaux AS1.CC.
> > Chat: Received: (? = commandes;  AIDE = aide;  MOTD = message du jour)
> > Chat: Received: 
> > Chat: Received: 
> > Chat: Received: User Access Verification
> > Chat: Received: 
> > Chat: Received: Username:
> > Chat: Send: beaupran
> > Chat: Expect(15): word:
> > Chat: Received:  
> > Chat: Received: 
> > Chat: Received: User Access Verification
> > Chat: Received: 
> [.....]
> 
> What does it say if you've also got ``physical'' logging ?

Really.. I do not understand that part. 'physical' logging? Ah... Ok:

ppp ON freed> set log local chat physical
ppp ON freed> dial
Chat: deflink: Dial attempt 1 of 3
ppp ON freed> Chat: Send: AT
Physical: write
Physical:  41 54 0d                                         AT.
Chat: Expect(5): OK
Physical: read
Physical:  41 54                                            AT
Physical: read
Physical:  0d                                               .
Physical: read
Physical:  0d 0a 4f 4b 0d 0a                                ..OK..
Chat: Received: AT
Chat: Received: OK
Chat: Send: ATS7=45S0=0S11=50L3M1V1X4&c1E1Q0
Physical: write
Physical:  41 54 53 37 3d 34 35 53 30 3d 30 53 31 31 3d 35  ATS7=45S0=0S11=5
Physical:  30 4c 33 4d 31 56 31 58 34 26 63 31 45 31 51 30  0L3M1V1X4&c1E1Q0
Physical:  0d                                               .
Chat: Expect(5): OK
Physical: read
Physical:  41 54                                            AT
Physical: read
Physical:  53 37 3d                                         S7=
Physical: read
Physical:  34 35 53 30 3d 30 53 31 31 3d 35 30 4c 33 4d 31  45S0=0S11=50L3M1
Physical: read
Physical:  56 31 58 34 26 63 31 45 31 51 30                 V1X4&c1E1Q0
Physical: read
Physical:  0d                                               .
Physical: read
Physical:  0d 0a 4f 4b 0d 0a                                ..OK..
Chat: Received: ATS7=45S0=0S11=50L3M1V1X4&c1E1Q0
Chat: Received: OK
Chat: Send: ATDT*70,343 2411
Physical: write
Physical:  41 54 44 54 2a 37 30 2c 33 34 33 20 32 34 31 31  ATDT*70,343 2411
Physical:  0d                                               .
Chat: Expect(40): CONNECT
Physical: read
Physical:  41 54 44 54 2a 37 30 2c 33 34 33 20 32 34 31 31  ATDT*70,343 2411
Physical:  0d                                               .
Physical: read
Physical:  0d 0a 43 4f 4e 4e 45 43 54 20 33 38 34 30 30 0d  ..CONNECT 38400.
Physical:  0a                                               .
Chat: Received: ATDT*70,343 2411
Chat: Received: CONNECT 38400
Chat: Send: 
Physical: write
Physical:  0d                                               .
Chat: Expect(15): ame:
Physical: read
Physical:  0d 0a 53 65 72 76 65 75 72 20 64 65 20 74 65 72  ..Serveur de ter
Physical:  6d 69 6e 61 75 78 20 41 53 31 2e 43 43 2e 0d 0a  minaux AS1.CC...
Physical:  28 3f 20 3d 20 63 6f 6d 6d 61 6e 64 65 73 3b 20  (? = commandes; 
Physical:  20 41 49 44 45 20 3d 20 61 69 64 65 3b 20 20 4d   AIDE = aide;  M
Physical:  4f 54 44 20 3d 20 6d 65 73 73 61 67 65 20 64 75  OTD = message du
Physical:  20 6a 6f 75 72 29 0d 0a 0d 0a 0d 0a 55 73 65 72   jour)......User
Physical:  20 41 63 63 65 73 73 20 56 65 72 69 66 69 63 61   Access Verifica
Physical:  74 69 6f 6e 0d 0a 0d 0a 55 73 65 72 6e 61 6d 65  tion....Username
Physical:  3a 20                                            : 
Chat: Received: 
Chat: Received: Serveur de terminaux AS1.CC.
Chat: Received: (? = commandes;  AIDE = aide;  MOTD = message du jour)
Chat: Received: 
Chat: Received: 
Chat: Received: User Access Verification
Chat: Received: 
Chat: Received: Username:
Chat: Send: beaupran
Physical: write
Physical:  62 65 61 75 70 72 61 6e 0d                       beaupran.
Chat: Expect(15): word:
Physical: read
Physical:  0d 0a 0d 0a 55 73 65 72 20 41 63 63 65 73 73 20  ....User Access 
Physical:  56 65 72 69 66 69 63 61 74 69 6f 6e 0d 0a 0d 0a  Verification....
Chat: Received:  
Chat: Received: 
Chat: Received: User Access Verification
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ppp ON freed> quit all

> It should actually be sending beaupran 0x0d 0x0a above (assuming
> your send string doesn't end with ``\c''.

Ok... It seems to send 0d alright. But the 0a? od is a linefeed and 0d 
is a carriage return right? So it does not send the carriage return...

Hum. Is it my fault?

I do not understand the \c part...

I guess I would have to grep through the source code, eh?

Argh.

Could someone help me? How should I modigy the chat script?

Thanks a lot...

ants

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Hi,

I'm currently shoping for new hardware to run FreeBSD-stable on it. From
what I can see, 2 of the mobos that keep being mentionned are the ASUS
P3B-F and the ABIT BE6. Since I've already read that some mobos can
cause problems under FreeBSD, I decided to ask for feedback from -stable
users who might happen to have these.

Before I'm sent there, I already searched the freebsd-hardware and
freebsd-questions lists for references to the P3B-F and the BE6, and
what I found is very scarce.

Thank you all for your time.

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Heya,
	I run an ASUS P3B-F on my 3.2-STABLE server, and have nothing but
good things to say about it, I'm very happy with the motherboard and would
recommend it to another. I had no problems with it and FreeBSD, so it's
safe to use =)

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Luc Morin wrote:

: Hi,
: 
: I'm currently shoping for new hardware to run FreeBSD-stable on it. From
: what I can see, 2 of the mobos that keep being mentionned are the ASUS
: P3B-F and the ABIT BE6. Since I've already read that some mobos can
: cause problems under FreeBSD, I decided to ask for feedback from -stable
: users who might happen to have these.
: 
: Before I'm sent there, I already searched the freebsd-hardware and
: freebsd-questions lists for references to the P3B-F and the BE6, and
: what I found is very scarce.
: 
: Thank you all for your time.
: 
: -- 
: Luc Morin    <luc_m@videotron.ca>
: Electrical Engineering Technologist
: 
: 
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Doh!! Im running proftpd where can I get the lastest patches for it?

Tony





>At 3:48 PM -0600 1999/9/17, Warner Losh wrote:
>
>> That is 100% correct.
>
> The person who posted the note regarding pre6 on BugTraq has=20
>already communicated the necessary information to MacGyver, and the=20
>code has already been fixed in the CVS repository.=A0 I expect that=20
>pre7 should be available within the next day or two.=A0 At that time,=20
>the original poster on that subject plans to post the exploit to=20
>BugTraq, as well as his own patches to fix the problem.
>
> This said, Mac has agreed that anything based on pre3 is not=20
>secure and should be removed.=A0 Of course, "pre-anything" with respect=20
>to ProFTPD is still beta code, and should be treated as such.
>
>--=20
>=A0=A0 These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy
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At some point in time between the two, my FreeBSD 3.x developed spontaneous
reboot problems. I've verified this on two different machines.

Symptom: 
  I start a tape backup. Perhaps twenty minutes later, the machine
spontaneously reboots -- screen freezes over, then goes black, then comes up to
the BIOS boot screen.

There are two different machines involved:

 Machine A: AMD K6-3/333,  some cheapo motherboard (never bothered looking
at it), 128mb of RAM, S3 video card, Advansys ISA SCSI card, Seagate NS-20 tape
drive hooked to the SCSI, 6.4gb IDE hard drive.  Via-Rhine (vr0) network card.
ES1371 sound card.

Machine B: Celeron 300, ASUS motherboard, 128mb of RAM, ATI video card, Diamond
Fireport 40 SCSI card, Seagate TR-4 tape drive hooked to the SCSI, 8.0gb IDE
hard drive, 8.0gb in assorted older SCSI hard drives (scraped the bottom of the
barrel there).  Digital "Tulip" network card (de0), RealTek-based Hawking
network card (rl0) (I also use it to route between two networks).  Soundblaster
Awe-64 ISA sound card. Voodoo2 3d accelerator. 

I know that four weeks ago I could make a tape backup successfully on both
machines. Something has changed between then and now, and I'm stumped as to
what. There's no panic message, no error messages appear on the screen, I even
did it from a console instead of my typical "X" windows and no kernel messages
appeared... it just bombed. Went black, went to BIOS bootup screen, and voila.

This happened first to me with BRU (I work for the BRU guys, duh), but thinking
it was something to do with BRU (BRU *does* kind of exercise every bug an
operating system can have in its filesystem code, there's a very obscure bug BRU
found in the way directories are read off of Linux partitions under FreeBSD
that I'm trying to track down at the moment), I tried 'tar'. The machine still
spontaneously rebooted. I happened to be looking at the screen at the time, and
the machine was backing up /usr/local/src/caldera/col23.iso (the ISO image for
Caldera Linux 2.3, I was getting ready to install it on top of my defunct Linux
partition and wanted a backup first).

The only really interesting thing about my setup is that it's a dual boot with
Linux on both of these machines, and I *am* backing up the Linux partitions
too. But I haven't booted Linux for quite some time (probably been over a
month, I only do it when new distributions come out so I can test against them),
and I always mount the Linux filesystems "ro" (read-only), so that shouldn't be
a problem... Linux filesystems can't degrade if they're not being used (grin). 

The other interesting thing is that these machines *NEVER* spontaneously reboot
on me in everyday use. Never. Both machines have been up and going for quite
some time, and until this problem, there wasn't one. And we're talking about
machines that get USED. They're compiling all day, and if they're not
compiling, they're doing something else strenuous like doing
analysis of millions of pseudo-random numbers to verify the strength of a
random number generator. 

So what should I do next? Should the latest 3_3 fix this? I'll try (says he,
dubiously), 'make world' is going as we speak, but this is rather disturbing
(reminds me of why I dumped Linux -- bloody Linux 2.2 kernel had more bugs
than a roach motel, 2.2.10 leaked memory like a demon, and  2.2.12 still has
one of the world's buggiest NFS implementations). 

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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sat Sep 18  0:34:43 1999
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> At some point in time between the two, my FreeBSD 3.x developed spontaneous
> reboot problems. I've verified this on two different machines.

Can you send me a copy of the software you're using to do these tape
backups and a description of the tape and controller hardware you're
using?  The best we can try and do as the first order of business is
to reproduce your problem, otherwise we're just pissing in the wind.

- Jordan


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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sat Sep 18  5:26:51 1999
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Hello,

I´m having some problems with getting a fresh installed FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE
machine running as a YP/NIS client.  The server is a SunOS 4.1.3 machine
running ypserv.

I started ypbind on the FreeBSD box and the users can login into it,
but they can´t change the passwords.  After entering the old password,
"passwd" says "sorry" and exits.

Obviously, getpwent(3) seems nasty, it returns "##username" as pw_passwd,
not the encrypted password.  When running "ypcat passwd", I indeed get
"##username" in the password field, but "ypcat passwd.adjunct.byname"
shows me the encrypted passwords.

So, why isn´t getpwent(3) using the correct map?  And yes, I´m running
ypbind with -s as an option.

Any help would be very great, since changing passwords is essential :-)

Have a nice weekend,
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sat Sep 18  9:36: 6 1999
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Shali Boharon wrote:
> 
> currently installed 2.2.7
> 
> in stablefile :
> *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_3
> *default delete use-rel-suffix
> 
> while doing : make buildworld
> 
> i'm geting these errors :
> 
[etc]
> 
> any suggestion ?

Always read the Release Notes.

You need to make upgrade instead of make world for the 2.x->3.x
step.

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doggedly to the sweet bloom of youth. Naturally I think this unfair.
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	AFIK, there are none yet.  Just don't run proftpd.

	Adrian
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On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Tony wrote:

> Doh!! Im running proftpd where can I get the lastest patches for it?
> 
> Tony
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >At 3:48 PM -0600 1999/9/17, Warner Losh wrote:
> >
> >> That is 100% correct.
> >
> > The person who posted the note regarding pre6 on BugTraq has 
> >already communicated the necessary information to MacGyver, and the 
> >code has already been fixed in the CVS repository.  I expect that 
> >pre7 should be available within the next day or two.  At that time, 
> >the original poster on that subject plans to post the exploit to 
> >BugTraq, as well as his own patches to fix the problem.
> >
> > This said, Mac has agreed that anything based on pre3 is not 
> >secure and should be removed.  Of course, "pre-anything" with respect 
> >to ProFTPD is still beta code, and should be treated as such.
> >
> >-- 
> >   These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy
> >  ____________________________________________________________________
> >|o| Brad Knowles, <blk@skynet.be>            Belgacom Skynet NV/SA |o|
> >|o| Systems Architect, News & FTP Admin      Rue Col. Bourg, 124   |o|
> >|o| Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.11.11/12.49         B-1140 Brussels       |o|
> >|o| <http://www.skynet.be/>http://www.skynet.be                    
> Belgium               |o|
> >\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
> >  Unix is like a wigwam -- no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.
> >   Unix is very user-friendly.  It's just picky who its friends are.
> >
> >
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Hello;

I can't seem to get 3.3 to build.

It dies during buildworld with this:

cc -static -O -pipe -I. -I/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/=
gcc -
I/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/config -DFREEBSD_NATI=
VE -D
DEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=3D\"2.7.2.3\" -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHINE=3D\"i386-unkn=
own-freeb
sd\" -I/usr/obj/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../cc_tools   -I/usr/obj/src/tm=
p/usr
/include  -static -o bi-arity bi-arity.o bi-parser.o bi-lexer.o bi-reverse.=
o
./bi-arity < /src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/bytecode.=
def >
 bc-arity.h
syntax error in input
*** Error code 33

Stop.
*** Error code 1


This was happening last night, so I gave up and cvsupped again this =
morning (around 11:45am EDT). Still won't go.

I've done a "make clean", "make includes", and "make depend", and still no =
luck. (Yes, I know it shouldn't have helped, but.. =3D) )

I've built the world many times over on this box, it started at 2.2.5.

Any suggetions?

Thanks,
Matt



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Michael Oski wrote:
> 
> I, as well, had "yet another" smooth, painless, no sweat, easy as pie, etc...
> update to 3.3-STABLE from 3.2-STABLE!!!
> 
> Come on... I'm starting to feel spoiled... ;-P

Well, ok, you asked for it... ;->

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Michael Robinson wrote:
> 
> Well, I'm sorry if my view came across as myopic.  There are many applications
> where I could see vinum put to productive use.  However a 24x7 business-
> critical production environment isn't one of them.
> 
> People who are looking for vinum to replace hardware RAID drivers in such
> environments should be made aware that vinum isn't up to the rock-solid
> standard of reliability as the rest of the FreeBSD operating system, and
> won't be for a while.
> 
> Right up to the point where it wiped out my installation, I was very happy
> with it, though.

Err, Michael, from your description of what happened, it seems
rather that you issued commands that resulted in the trashing. So,
it was rather a lack of banisters than a bug in the software. That's
a rather different case, imho.

--
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	"Thus, over the years my wife and I have physically diverged. While
I have zoomed toward a crusty middle-age, she has instead clung
doggedly to the sweet bloom of youth. Naturally I think this unfair.
Yet, if it was the other way around, I confess I wouldn't be happy
either."




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At 10:13 PM -0500 1999/9/17, Tony wrote:

> Doh!! Im running proftpd where can I get the lastest patches for it?

	ProFTPD 1.2.0pre6 can be found at 
<ftp://ftp.tos.net/pub/proftpd/>.  However, I would expect pre7 to be 
out by now, and should address the security issues on certain OSes 
(FreeBSD was not vulnerable to the most recent post on BugTraq, 
although Linux was).

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On 16-Sep-99 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
>> How long before the ISO is sent off to production?
> 
> Tomorrow, if all testing goes well.

How long until we see it available from www.freebsdmall.com then?

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That depends on the replicators at this point and I really couldn't
say definitively.  As little as a week and as many as three, how's
that for an estimate? :)

- Jordan

> 
> On 16-Sep-99 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> >> How long before the ISO is sent off to production?
> > 
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> 
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On 18-Sep-99 Matt White wrote:
> cc -static -O -pipe -I.
> -I/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc -
> I/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/config -DFREEBSD_NATIVE
> -D
> DEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=\"2.7.2.3\"
> -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHINE=\"i386-unknown-freeb
> sd\" -I/usr/obj/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../cc_tools  
> -I/usr/obj/src/tmp/usr
> /include  -static -o bi-arity bi-arity.o bi-parser.o bi-lexer.o bi-reverse.o
> ./bi-arity <
> /src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/bytecode.def >
>  bc-arity.h
> syntax error in input
> *** Error code 33
> 
> Stop.
> *** Error code 1

Yes, I get the same problem, but normally I just edit the appropriate Makefile
to bypass cc_tools, cc1, cc1-obj, and other programs. Unfortunately, no one
replied when I first reported this problem, so I just went and did that. I
suspect that now my cc1/cc1-obj/etc. are hopelessly out-of-sync, even though
they continue to function.

My suspicion is that somehow, somewhere, cc got borked and i no longer can
properly compile the bc-arity stuff.. not that I have a clue what it's for, of
course. Could somebody look into this? (Please.)

Thanks.

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My 3.3-stable system is reporting the same thing.  I think that the 'c' 
from the "changing root device" string is getting screwed up in an output 
buffer somehow and is appearing before the "da" device name.  Here's my output:

Waiting 3 seconds for SCSI devices to settle
de0: enabling 10baseT port
cda0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
da0: <FUJITSU M2694ES-512 812A> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device
da0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8), Tagged Queueing Enabled
da0: 1033MB (2117025 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 131C)
da1 at ncr0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0
da1: <QUANTUM FIREBALL1280S 630C> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device
da1: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8)
da1: 1222MB (2503872 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 155C)
hanging root device to wd0s1a



FreeBSD straylight.ummgood.net 3.3-STABLE FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE #6: Fri Sep 17 
22:34:57 PDT 
1999     root@straylight.ummgood.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/STRAYLIGHT  i386


-Bryan

At 06:44 PM 9/16/99 , Sean-Paul Rees wrote:
>I just upgraded to 3.3-STABLE (today's sources) and am getting the
>following odd behavior in my dmesg:
>
>cda1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0
>da1: <QUANTUM ATLAS IV 9 WLS 0808> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device
>da1: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing
>Enabled
>da1: 8761MB (17942584 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1116C)
>da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
>da0: <QUANTUM VIKING II 4.5WLS 4110> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device
>da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing
>Enabled
>da0: 4350MB (8910423 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 554C)
>hanging root device to da0s1a
>
>My system is an IBM PC Server, PII 300MHz and 192MB of RAM. It's SCSI
>controller is an onboard AIC-7880 UltraWide.
>
>What is happening here? Also, what does "hanging root device to da0s1a"
>mean?
>
>Cheers,
>Sean
>
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Bryan Talbot wrote...
> My 3.3-stable system is reporting the same thing.  I think that the 'c' 
> from the "changing root device" string is getting screwed up in an output 
> buffer somehow and is appearing before the "da" device name.  Here's my output:
> 
> Waiting 3 seconds for SCSI devices to settle
> de0: enabling 10baseT port
> cda0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
> da0: <FUJITSU M2694ES-512 812A> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device
> da0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8), Tagged Queueing Enabled
> da0: 1033MB (2117025 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 131C)
> da1 at ncr0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0
> da1: <QUANTUM FIREBALL1280S 630C> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device
> da1: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8)
> da1: 1222MB (2503872 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 155C)
> hanging root device to wd0s1a

That's an old problem and it's been discussed before in -current or
-hackers, I think.  (Look in the list archives.  I don't remember the
subject, but I'd imagine that the discussion took place sometime after the
CAM integration in mid-September, 1998.)

The bottom line is that the printf that prints "changing root.." gets
interrupted by the interrupt-driven probe messages for your disks.

IIRC, the solution would be worse than the problem, so just don't worry
about it.

Ken
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Ok, I'll give it a shot.  Since neither one of you state what version of 
FreeBSD you were running when trying to make the world, I'll assume it's 
NOT 3.x.  If this is the case then you really need to read the 
/usr/src/Makefile and look at that nifty "upgrade" target.

If you are using 3.x now, I don't know what the problem is ... I upgraded 
from 3.2-stable to 3.3-stable last night without a hitch and I know many 
others have too.


At 03:30 PM 9/18/99 , Will Andrews wrote:
>On 18-Sep-99 Matt White wrote:
> > cc -static -O -pipe -I.
> > -I/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc -
> > I/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/config 
> -DFREEBSD_NATIVE
> > -D
> > DEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=\"2.7.2.3\"
> > -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHINE=\"i386-unknown-freeb
> > sd\" -I/usr/obj/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../cc_tools
> > -I/usr/obj/src/tmp/usr
> > /include  -static -o bi-arity bi-arity.o bi-parser.o bi-lexer.o 
> bi-reverse.o
> > ./bi-arity <
> > /src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/bytecode.def >
> >  bc-arity.h
> > syntax error in input
> > *** Error code 33
> >
> > Stop.
> > *** Error code 1
>
>Yes, I get the same problem, but normally I just edit the appropriate Makefile
>to bypass cc_tools, cc1, cc1-obj, and other programs. Unfortunately, no one
>replied when I first reported this problem, so I just went and did that. I
>suspect that now my cc1/cc1-obj/etc. are hopelessly out-of-sync, even though
>they continue to function.
>
>My suspicion is that somehow, somewhere, cc got borked and i no longer can
>properly compile the bc-arity stuff.. not that I have a clue what it's for, of
>course. Could somebody look into this? (Please.)
>
>Thanks.
>
>--
>Will Andrews <andrews@technologist.com>
>GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w---
>?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+
>G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y?
>
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On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 10:46:37PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 10:13 PM -0500 1999/9/17, Tony wrote:
> 
> > Doh!! Im running proftpd where can I get the lastest patches for it?
> 
> 	ProFTPD 1.2.0pre6 can be found at 
> <ftp://ftp.tos.net/pub/proftpd/>.  However, I would expect pre7 to be 
> out by now, and should address the security issues on certain OSes 
> (FreeBSD was not vulnerable to the most recent post on BugTraq, 
> although Linux was).

pre6 is also available in /usr/ports/ftp/proftpd

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On 18-Sep-99 Bryan Talbot wrote:
> Ok, I'll give it a shot.  Since neither one of you state what version of 
> FreeBSD you were running when trying to make the world, I'll assume it's 
> NOT 3.x.  If this is the case then you really need to read the 
> /usr/src/Makefile and look at that nifty "upgrade" target.

Sorry, yes. I had this problem since my third rebuild of 3.2-STABLE (Jul 23
sources).. and up to 3.3-RC (which I currently have).. I think it's really that
the includes or something are out-of-sync as I stated.

> If you are using 3.x now, I don't know what the problem is ... I upgraded 
> from 3.2-stable to 3.3-stable last night without a hitch and I know many 
> others have too.

This is what has me rolling over the most - I think I messed up somewhere. :\

How else could other people be getting through this with no problem whatsoever?

--
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I was upgrading from 3.2, as of a few weeks ago.  I try to build the world =
every few weeks.

I blew away /usr/src, and I'm in the middle of supping a whole new copy.  =
I'll keep the list posted if this works.

But yes, this box was a 2.2.5 box that's been upgraded all along. (2.2.5 =
-> 2.2.6 -> 2.2.7 -> 3.0 -> 3.1 -> 3.2)

- Matt

>>> Bryan Talbot <btalbot@ucsd.edu> 09/18/99 07:02PM >>>
Ok, I'll give it a shot.  Since neither one of you state what version =
of=20
FreeBSD you were running when trying to make the world, I'll assume =
it's=20
NOT 3.x.  If this is the case then you really need to read the=20
/usr/src/Makefile and look at that nifty "upgrade" target.

If you are using 3.x now, I don't know what the problem is ... I =
upgraded=20
from 3.2-stable to 3.3-stable last night without a hitch and I know =
many=20
others have too.


At 03:30 PM 9/18/99 , Will Andrews wrote:
>On 18-Sep-99 Matt White wrote:
> > cc -static -O -pipe -I.
> > -I/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc -
> > I/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/config=20
> -DFREEBSD_NATIVE
> > -D
> > DEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=3D\"2.7.2.3\"
> > -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHINE=3D\"i386-unknown-freeb
> > sd\" -I/usr/obj/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../cc_tools
> > -I/usr/obj/src/tmp/usr
> > /include  -static -o bi-arity bi-arity.o bi-parser.o bi-lexer.o=20
> bi-reverse.o
> > ./bi-arity <
> > /src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/bytecode.def >
> >  bc-arity.h
> > syntax error in input
> > *** Error code 33
> >
> > Stop.
> > *** Error code 1
>
>Yes, I get the same problem, but normally I just edit the appropriate =
Makefile
>to bypass cc_tools, cc1, cc1-obj, and other programs. Unfortunately, no =
one
>replied when I first reported this problem, so I just went and did that. =
I
>suspect that now my cc1/cc1-obj/etc. are hopelessly out-of-sync, even =
though
>they continue to function.
>
>My suspicion is that somehow, somewhere, cc got borked and i no longer =
can
>properly compile the bc-arity stuff.. not that I have a clue what it's =
for, of
>course. Could somebody look into this? (Please.)
>
>Thanks.
>
>--
>Will Andrews <andrews@technologist.com>
>GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w---
>?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+
>G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y?
>
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"Daniel C. Sobral" <dcs@newsguy.com> writes:
>Err, Michael, from your description of what happened, it seems
>rather that you issued commands that resulted in the trashing. So,
>it was rather a lack of banisters than a bug in the software. That's
>a rather different case, imho.

Not just a lack of banisters, but a lack of documentation of the lack of
banisters.  There's nothing in the documentation that says you have to
"read" all subdisks of a striped plex in one command, or else you will trash
the plex.

And banisters are extremely important in 24x7 production environments.
In my experience, downtime caused by operator intervention is more common
than downtime caused by mechanical failure.

So, while a flawless vinum installation may well be possible, it is still 
far too fragile at this point for me to bet the business on it.

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> > What does it say if you've also got ``physical'' logging ?
> 
> Really.. I do not understand that part. 'physical' logging? Ah... Ok:
> 
> ppp ON freed> set log local chat physical
> ppp ON freed> dial
> Chat: deflink: Dial attempt 1 of 3
> ppp ON freed> Chat: Send: AT
> Physical: write
> Physical:  41 54 0d                                         AT.
> Chat: Expect(5): OK
> Physical: read
> Physical:  41 54                                            AT
> Physical: read
> Physical:  0d                                               .
> Physical: read
> Physical:  0d 0a 4f 4b 0d 0a                                ..OK..
> Chat: Received: AT
> Chat: Received: OK
> Chat: Send: ATS7=45S0=0S11=50L3M1V1X4&c1E1Q0
> Physical: write
> Physical:  41 54 53 37 3d 34 35 53 30 3d 30 53 31 31 3d 35  ATS7=45S0=0S11=5
> Physical:  30 4c 33 4d 31 56 31 58 34 26 63 31 45 31 51 30  0L3M1V1X4&c1E1Q0
> Physical:  0d                                               .
> Chat: Expect(5): OK
> Physical: read
> Physical:  41 54                                            AT
> Physical: read
> Physical:  53 37 3d                                         S7=
> Physical: read
> Physical:  34 35 53 30 3d 30 53 31 31 3d 35 30 4c 33 4d 31  45S0=0S11=50L3M1
> Physical: read
> Physical:  56 31 58 34 26 63 31 45 31 51 30                 V1X4&c1E1Q0
> Physical: read
> Physical:  0d                                               .
> Physical: read
> Physical:  0d 0a 4f 4b 0d 0a                                ..OK..
> Chat: Received: ATS7=45S0=0S11=50L3M1V1X4&c1E1Q0
> Chat: Received: OK
> Chat: Send: ATDT*70,343 2411
> Physical: write
> Physical:  41 54 44 54 2a 37 30 2c 33 34 33 20 32 34 31 31  ATDT*70,343 2411
> Physical:  0d                                               .
> Chat: Expect(40): CONNECT
> Physical: read
> Physical:  41 54 44 54 2a 37 30 2c 33 34 33 20 32 34 31 31  ATDT*70,343 2411
> Physical:  0d                                               .
> Physical: read
> Physical:  0d 0a 43 4f 4e 4e 45 43 54 20 33 38 34 30 30 0d  ..CONNECT 38400.
> Physical:  0a                                               .
> Chat: Received: ATDT*70,343 2411
> Chat: Received: CONNECT 38400
> Chat: Send: 
> Physical: write
> Physical:  0d                                               .
> Chat: Expect(15): ame:
> Physical: read
> Physical:  0d 0a 53 65 72 76 65 75 72 20 64 65 20 74 65 72  ..Serveur de ter
> Physical:  6d 69 6e 61 75 78 20 41 53 31 2e 43 43 2e 0d 0a  minaux AS1.CC...
> Physical:  28 3f 20 3d 20 63 6f 6d 6d 61 6e 64 65 73 3b 20  (? = commandes; 
> Physical:  20 41 49 44 45 20 3d 20 61 69 64 65 3b 20 20 4d   AIDE = aide;  M
> Physical:  4f 54 44 20 3d 20 6d 65 73 73 61 67 65 20 64 75  OTD = message du
> Physical:  20 6a 6f 75 72 29 0d 0a 0d 0a 0d 0a 55 73 65 72   jour)......User
> Physical:  20 41 63 63 65 73 73 20 56 65 72 69 66 69 63 61   Access Verifica
> Physical:  74 69 6f 6e 0d 0a 0d 0a 55 73 65 72 6e 61 6d 65  tion....Username
> Physical:  3a 20                                            : 
> Chat: Received: 
> Chat: Received: Serveur de terminaux AS1.CC.
> Chat: Received: (? = commandes;  AIDE = aide;  MOTD = message du jour)
> Chat: Received: 
> Chat: Received: 
> Chat: Received: User Access Verification
> Chat: Received: 
> Chat: Received: Username:
> Chat: Send: beaupran
> Physical: write
> Physical:  62 65 61 75 70 72 61 6e 0d                       beaupran.
> Chat: Expect(15): word:
> Physical: read
> Physical:  0d 0a 0d 0a 55 73 65 72 20 41 63 63 65 73 73 20  ....User Access 
> Physical:  56 65 72 69 66 69 63 61 74 69 6f 6e 0d 0a 0d 0a  Verification....
> Chat: Received:  
> Chat: Received: 
> Chat: Received: User Access Verification
> Chat: Received: 
> Physical: read
> Physical:  55 73 65 72 6e 61 6d                             Usernam
> Physical: read
> Physical:  65 3a 20                                         e: 
> 
> ppp ON freed> quit all
> 
> > It should actually be sending beaupran 0x0d 0x0a above (assuming
> > your send string doesn't end with ``\c''.

This actually looks ok.  I *thought* it would be sending the 0x0a, 
but it doesn't in my set up.

Try turning on physical logging (as above) while doing a manual chat. 
You'll see that the characters actually being transmitted are the 
same.... if they're not, that's the problem :-/

> Ok... It seems to send 0d alright. But the 0a? od is a linefeed and 0d 
> is a carriage return right? So it does not send the carriage return...

0x0d is a carriage return  (the <-- key)
0x0a is a linefeed (^J)

> Hum. Is it my fault?
> 
> I do not understand the \c part...

All send strings are assumed to have a 0x0d at the end *unless* the 
last bit is \c.

It's interesting that if you specify your send string ending with \n, 
ppp sends 0x0a 0x0d rather than the more conventional 0x0d 0x0a !  I 
must fix that !

> I guess I would have to grep through the source code, eh?
> 
> Argh.
> 
> Could someone help me? How should I modigy the chat script?
> 
> Thanks a lot...

Comparing the ``physical'' logs is probably the best step next.

> ants
> 
> -- 
> Si l'image donne l'illusion de savoir
> C'est que l'adage pretend que pour croire,
> L'important ne serait que de voir
> 
> Lofofora

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> (the wcd0 line is always present.) On another machine, the boot process
> doesn't even get as far as FreeBSD, the BIOS just gives a hard disk
> failure message. Yes, this *does* suggest the CD drive is dodgy, but
> since it sometimes works OK on the machine it was bought for, it would
> seem all is not lost.

No.  It just means the drive is marginal.  We hardly have enough time 
to support hardware that works properly, and like any good vendor we 
are going to point at the fact that the drive doesn't work at all on 
the other machine and say "the drive is junk, get another one".

You're welcome, alternatively, to sit down with the SFF8020 spec (and 
addenda) and work out just _how_ the drive is broken.  This may be an 
illuminating process.

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FWIW, I supped source Friday evening and upgraded a 3.2-STABLE box
with no problems at all. The last build was about a month old.

I deleted everything under /usr/obj and everything under
/usr/src/sys/compile/<mach_name>, did a 'make buildworld', 'make
installworld' rebuilt the kernel from tha last configuration file,
remade all devices and rebooted. Not even a hiccup.

BTW, this release seems faster overall than the last release. Is this
my imagination?

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I just upgraded to RELEASE and now whenever I try to ping anything I get
back:

ping: sendto: Permission denied

Ideas as to what I broke? Thanks.
	
				-Kip




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At 10:39 PM 9/18/99 , Kip Macy wrote:
>I just upgraded to RELEASE and now whenever I try to ping anything I get
>back:
>
>ping: sendto: Permission denied
>
>Ideas as to what I broke? Thanks.

Do you have ipfw installed ? If so, what does
ipfw show 
say ?
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Thanks. That was stupid of me to turn ipfw on in the kernel and then not
change the settings. I had forgotten that it defaults to deny all.

Thanks again.

				-Kip

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Mike Tancsa wrote:

> At 10:39 PM 9/18/99 , Kip Macy wrote:
> >I just upgraded to RELEASE and now whenever I try to ping anything I get
> >back:
> >
> >ping: sendto: Permission denied
> >
> >Ideas as to what I broke? Thanks.
> 
> Do you have ipfw installed ? If so, what does
> ipfw show 
> say ?
> 	---Mike
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	Since this doesn't really deal with a problem specific to the -Stable
branch the -questions list might have been more appropriate. However, it's
an easy question. :) 

Kip Macy wrote:
> 
> I just upgraded to RELEASE and now whenever I try to ping anything I get
> back:
> 
> ping: sendto: Permission denied

	You've enabled ipfw someplace (probably in your kernel) and neglected to
change the /etc/rc.conf[.local] file to specify a firewall type. Or, you
turned on ipfw in rc.conf and didn't specify a firewall type. If neither of
those things apply to you, please follow up to -questions with more
details. 

Good luck,

Doug


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Blowing away /usr/src worked.  (Note: Be sure you backup your kernel =
config file before doing this!)

After this error I started having gcc dump core quite building the world.  =
Normally I assume this means hardware, but I suppose not in this case.  It =
was coreing in the same spot each time. (I don't have an overclocked CPU.)

Thanks to those who responded.

- Matt



>>> "Matt White" <MWhite@madriver.k12.oh.us> 09/18/99 08:32PM >>>
I was upgrading from 3.2, as of a few weeks ago.  I try to build the world =
every few weeks.

I blew away /usr/src, and I'm in the middle of supping a whole new copy.  =
I'll keep the list posted if this works.

But yes, this box was a 2.2.5 box that's been upgraded all along. (2.2.5 =
-> 2.2.6 -> 2.2.7 -> 3.0 -> 3.1 -> 3.2)

- Matt

>>> Bryan Talbot <btalbot@ucsd.edu> 09/18/99 07:02PM >>>
Ok, I'll give it a shot.  Since neither one of you state what version =
of=20
FreeBSD you were running when trying to make the world, I'll assume =
it's=20
NOT 3.x.  If this is the case then you really need to read the=20
/usr/src/Makefile and look at that nifty "upgrade" target.

If you are using 3.x now, I don't know what the problem is ... I =
upgraded=20
from 3.2-stable to 3.3-stable last night without a hitch and I know =
many=20
others have too.


At 03:30 PM 9/18/99 , Will Andrews wrote:
>On 18-Sep-99 Matt White wrote:
> > cc -static -O -pipe -I.
> > -I/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc -
> > I/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/config=20
> -DFREEBSD_NATIVE
> > -D
> > DEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=3D\"2.7.2.3\"
> > -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHINE=3D\"i386-unknown-freeb
> > sd\" -I/usr/obj/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../cc_tools
> > -I/usr/obj/src/tmp/usr
> > /include  -static -o bi-arity bi-arity.o bi-parser.o bi-lexer.o=20
> bi-reverse.o
> > ./bi-arity <
> > /src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/bytecode.def >
> >  bc-arity.h
> > syntax error in input
> > *** Error code 33
> >
> > Stop.
> > *** Error code 1
>
>Yes, I get the same problem, but normally I just edit the appropriate =
Makefile
>to bypass cc_tools, cc1, cc1-obj, and other programs. Unfortunately, no =
one
>replied when I first reported this problem, so I just went and did that. =
I
>suspect that now my cc1/cc1-obj/etc. are hopelessly out-of-sync, even =
though
>they continue to function.
>
>My suspicion is that somehow, somewhere, cc got borked and i no longer =
can
>properly compile the bc-arity stuff.. not that I have a clue what it's =
for, of
>course. Could somebody look into this? (Please.)
>
>Thanks.
>
>--
>Will Andrews <andrews@technologist.com>
>GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w---
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I believe that you will see this with certain combinations of Kerberos 
components installed.  Sysinstall won't (can't) protect you from doing 
silly things with those bits and pieces.

(IMO the Kerberos parts should not be so easy to install).

> Valentin Nechayev wrote:
> > 
> > /usr/bin/passwd from bin packages of 3.3-RELEASE wants libraries:
> >         libkadm.so.3
> >         libkrb.so.3
> >         libdes.so.3
> > 
> > Is it correct? ;(
> 
> Could be..I've been having problems with that too.  Downloaded the
> 3.3-Release (gzipped) ISO Image last night, and even on a minimum
> install, the part where you are supposed to set the root password just
> blows by, but when you create an additional user, everything works ok.
> 
> When the system boots up for the first time, root has no passwd, and the
> passwd command gives an error saying either libkadm or libkrb as
> mentioned above is missing.   Logging in as the additional user created
> at startup works fine, but when you try to do a "su", you get an error
> saying libkadm or libkrb is missing (passwd bitches about one of them,
> su the other, I don't recall offhand which is which).
> 
> Something is definitely goofed there, or the install lets you setup a
> goofed system.
> 	
> 	Barry
> 
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sat Sep 18 23:58:17 1999
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Greetings!

I've one question. Did anyone already solved problem with /usr/bin/passwd,
which but default requires kerberos libs?

Thank you for your help.

All the best.

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