From owner-freebsd-afs Wed Aug 16 13:27:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B2B37B511 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:27:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cross@math.psu.edu) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09845 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008162027.QAA09845@math.psu.edu> To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Subject: AFS opening up? Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:27:05 -0400 From: Dan Cross Sender: owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I can't quite tell what this means... Apparently, IBM is giving away the ``Andrew File System.'' http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-2515043.html I'm not sure if this doesn't refer to the ancient filesystem done by IBM/CMU (ie, AFS2), but it's certainly provocative. - Dan C. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-afs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-afs Wed Aug 16 13:35:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from siren.eng.utah.edu (siren.eng.utah.edu [155.99.222.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0217137B56D for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:35:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ricci@siren.eng.utah.edu) Received: (from ricci@localhost) by siren.eng.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA92296 for freebsd-afs@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:33:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ricci) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:33:25 -0600 From: Robert P Ricci To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AFS opening up? Message-ID: <20000816143325.A92292@siren.eng.utah.edu> References: <200008162027.QAA09845@math.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200008162027.QAA09845@math.psu.edu>; from cross@math.psu.edu on Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 04:27:05PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 and most people think it means the current release. It would be very nice, but, for a client, arla has been sufficient on FreeBSD for me. Perhaps, though, this means we could run AFS servers on FreeBSD some day.... Thus spake Dan Cross on Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 04:27:05PM -0400: > I can't quite tell what this means... Apparently, IBM is giving > away the ``Andrew File System.'' > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-2515043.html > > I'm not sure if this doesn't refer to the ancient filesystem > done by IBM/CMU (ie, AFS2), but it's certainly provocative. > > - Dan C. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-afs" in the body of the message -- /----------------------------------------------------------- | Robert Ricci - | University of Utah - CADE Lab operator - www.cade.utah.edu | "Boredom comes to those who wait" - The Pietasters \----------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-afs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-afs Wed Aug 16 14:52:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A0937C325 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:51:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA49708; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:51:35 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200008162027.QAA09845@math.psu.edu> References: <200008162027.QAA09845@math.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:53:04 -0400 To: Dan Cross , freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: AFS opening up? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 4:27 PM -0400 8/16/00, Dan Cross wrote: >I can't quite tell what this means... Apparently, IBM is giving >away the ``Andrew File System.'' > >http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-2515043.html > >I'm not sure if this doesn't refer to the ancient filesystem >done by IBM/CMU (ie, AFS2), but it's certainly provocative. I would think this is the AFS that at least we (here at RPI) would just love to see open-sourced. This is very interesting news, thanks for passing it along! --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-afs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-afs Wed Aug 16 15:13:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from orgazmo.rem.cmu.edu (ORGAZMO.REM.CMU.EDU [128.2.83.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7293437BB4C for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:13:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tardis@watson.org) Received: (from tardis@localhost) by orgazmo.rem.cmu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01622; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:16:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tardis@watson.org) X-Authentication-Warning: orgazmo.rem.cmu.edu: tardis set sender to tardis@watson.org using -f To: freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AFS opening up? References: <200008162027.QAA09845@math.psu.edu> From: Tom Maher Date: 16 Aug 2000 18:16:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: Dan Cross's message of "Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:27:05 -0400" Message-ID: <877l9glulp.fsf@orgazmo.wv.cc.cmu.edu> Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Carlsbad Caverns) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dan Cross writes: > I can't quite tell what this means... Apparently, IBM is giving > away the ``Andrew File System.'' > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-2515043.html > > I'm not sure if this doesn't refer to the ancient filesystem > done by IBM/CMU (ie, AFS2), but it's certainly provocative. Since AFS2 is what CMU's Coda project[1] is based on, and that is GPL'd, I'm tending to think they mean AFS3. I wish that there were something more substantial around than the cnet article, though. Either way, arla seems to be making a pretty good client. -- Tom Maher [1] http://www.coda.cs.cmu.edu/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-afs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-afs Wed Aug 16 22:24:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from siren.eng.utah.edu (siren.eng.utah.edu [155.99.222.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14E037B8EF for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:24:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ricci@siren.eng.utah.edu) Received: (from ricci@localhost) by siren.eng.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA93822 for freebsd-afs@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:22:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ricci) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:22:20 -0600 From: Robert P Ricci To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Subject: [shadow@dementia.org: Open AFS announcement (fwd)] Message-ID: <20000816232219.A93808@siren.eng.utah.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Thought you all might be interested in this - It was sent to the info-afs mailing list this evening.... -- /----------------------------------------------------------- | Robert Ricci - | University of Utah - CADE Lab operator - www.cade.utah.edu | "Boredom comes to those who wait" - The Pietasters \----------------------------------------------------------- --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from fw0.transarc.com (xfw.transarc.ibm.com [192.54.226.51]) by arachne.eng.utah.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29347 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:27:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from majordomo.transarc.ibm.com (majordomo.transarc.ibm.com [9.38.192.126]) by fw0.transarc.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with ESMTP id XAA25894; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo.transarc.ibm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA25598 for info-afs-list; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.transarc.com (fw1.transarc.ibm.com [9.38.192.191]) by majordomo.transarc.ibm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA25594 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VPN-100-235.CC.CMU.EDU (root@VPN-100-235.CC.CMU.EDU [128.2.100.235]) by fw1.transarc.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA49318 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:00:19 -0400 (envelope-from shadow@dementia.org) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by VPN-100-235.CC.CMU.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA01428 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:13:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:13:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Derrick J Brashear X-Sender: shadow@VPN-100-235.CC.CMU.EDU To: info-afs@transarc.com Subject: Open AFS announcement (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-info-afs@transarc.com Precedence: bulk Since this doesn't seem to have gone here yet ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:52:12 -0400 From: stentz@us.ibm.com To: stentz@us.ibm.com Subject: Open AFS announcement Dear IBM Customers and Colleagues: I am very pleased to announce IBM's plans to open source its AFS enterprise file system under the IBM Public License (IPL). We believe that making AFS available to the open source community will help our customers to more directly advance the pace of innovation in distributed file systems. IBM is announcing "Open AFS" this week, beginning with press briefings at LinuxWorld. The official press release will issue next week, and the AFS code will be available next month (September 2000). Our technical and management team at IBM are very excited about this project, and we are hopeful that our customers will become very active in the AFS open source initiative. IBM realizes that while some customers will use Open AFS, many of our customers will still require a commercially supported version of AFS. Therefore, IBM will continue to sell, develop and support its version of "IBM AFS". This will give our customers additional choices and flexibility on how to deploy AFS in their environments. I am very grateful for all of the efforts that went into the Open AFS project, including many months of assistance from my colleagues at IBM and from our loyal AFS customers. Details of the announcement and a set of "FAQs" appear below. We welcome your comments at "sales@transarc.com". We will update the FAQ on the IBM and Transarc Web sites, but for now, their content is identical to what is listed below. Thank you for your continued support of AFS! Laura P.S. We would appreciate your patience in awaiting a response to your inquiries to sales@transarc.com. We expect (and look forward to!) a high level of activity in the 1-3 months following the announcement of this project. Overview IBM is making its AFS enterprise file system product available to the open source community under the IBM Public License (IPL). AFS is a very scalable, highly available, and secure file system with a very robust data management model for ease of administration. AFS, which has been commercially available from IBM's Transarc Lab for over 10 years, has a strong following of commercial, government, university and research customers. Through these customer installations, files stored in AFS are accessed by millions of users worldwide. IBM is making AFS available under open source to speed the pace of innovation in the product and to make it easier for our customers to collaborate in the area of enterprise file sharing. Many AFS customers are involved in other open source initiatives, and they are very enthusiastic about an "Open AFS". IBM realizes that while some customers will use "Open AFS", many of our customers will still require a commercially supported version of AFS. Therefore, IBM will continue to sell, develop and support its version of "IBM AFS". This will give our customers additional choices and flexibility on how to deploy AFS in their environments. However, please note that, because IBM will not control the development of Open AFS, IBM will not be able to offer support services for Open AFS. IBM will commercially support only its version of AFS. IBM is announcing the intent to open source AFS at LinuxWorld on August 15, 2000, and the source code will be made available next month (Sept 2000) in the IBM DeveloperWorks Open Source Zone (stay tuned to: http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/). Frequently Asked Questions Q1. When will AFS code be available in open source? A1. The AFS source code will be made available next month (Sept 2000) in the IBM DeveloperWorks Open Source Zone (stay tuned to: http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/). Q2. How will changes be accepted into "Open AFS"? A2. The AFS 3.6 code base will be "forked" to form "Open AFS" and "IBM AFS". "Open AFS" will be open-sourced under the IBM Public License (IPL). We will form an advisory board (~ 6-8 members) to interface with the community and accept/reject changes to the official version of "Open AFS". This board will be comprised of 1 IBM technical person, 1 IBM business person, and ~ 6 members of the AFS community. We have a core group (currently 5 members) for the Advisory Board, and they will meet to finalize the process for accepting new members, code contributions, etc. Q3. Will IBM take changes from "Open AFS" into "IBM AFS"? A3. IBM may take changes from "Open AFS" into "IBM AFS", but it will not be obligated to take any changes from the open source version of AFS into its commercially supported version of IBM AFS. Q4. Is all of AFS going to be open-sourced? A4. IBM will open-source as much of the AFS code as possible. We will not be able to open-source some pieces of the code for various technical and licensing reasons. Q5. Will IBM support "Open AFS"? A5. IBM will support "IBM AFS" clients and servers for those customers who have active IBM AFS support contracts. IBM will not offer support services for Open AFS. Q6. Is IBM still investing in AFS? A6. Yes. IBM recognizes that many of our customers will still want a commercially-supported version of AFS IBM AFS. IBM/Transarc will still sell, maintain, port (to new versions of currently-supported OS), support, and provide minor enhancements to "IBM AFS". Q7. Will IBM also open source DFS? A7. This announcement pertains solely to AFS. Since AFS has a large number of source customers already, we feel it is has strong potential to be a successful open-source project. DFS is not being open-sourced at this time. Q8. Why are you announcing "Open AFS" under the IPL? Why not the GPL? A8. The IPL has been well-received by the open source community. IBM believes that the terms of the IPL are most suited to the AFS open-source project. For details on the IPL, please see: http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/license10.html?dwzone=opensource . Q9. Where can we get answers to questions not covered in this FAQ? A9. If you have additional questions on this initiative, please first check http://www.transarc.com or http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/). We will be updating the FAQ at these sites periodically. If you have a question that is not addressed in the FAQ, please contact sales@transarc.com. We would appreciate your patience in awaiting a response to your inquiries. We expect (and look forward to!) a high level of activity in the 1-3 months following the announcement of this project. Laura L. Stentz Senior Manager IBM Transarc Lab 11 Stanwix Street Pittsburgh, PA 15222 Phone: (412) 667-6802, T/L 989-6802 FAX: (412) 667-4439, T/L 989-4439 stentz@us.ibm.com --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-afs" in the body of the message