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>Number:         17880
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       ports section in handbook doesn't say ipv6 is virtual category
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Sun Apr  9 11:10:01 PDT 2000
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Ben Smithurst
>Release:        FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386
>Organization:
>Environment:

>Description:

As the synopsis says, ipv6 isn't specified as being a virtual category, when
as far as I can tell, it is.  I certainly have no /usr/ports/ipv6 directory.

>How-To-Repeat:

>Fix:

cvs diff: Diffing .
Index: chapter.sgml
===================================================================
RCS file: /usr/cvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/ports/chapter.sgml,v
retrieving revision 1.92
diff -u -r1.92 chapter.sgml
--- chapter.sgml	2000/04/07 00:12:43	1.92
+++ chapter.sgml	2000/04/09 17:10:54
@@ -4530,7 +4530,7 @@
               </row>
 
               <row>
-                <entry><filename>ipv6</filename></entry>
+                <entry><filename>ipv6*</filename></entry>
                 <entry>IPv6 related software.</entry>
               </row>
 

(hardly worth it really :-)

>Release-Note:
>Audit-Trail:
>Unformatted:


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On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 08:08:28 MST, Søren Schmidt wrote:

>   Modified files:
>     sys/dev/ata          ata-all.c ata-all.h ata-dma.c 
>   Log:
>   Add support for ATA66 on newer revisions of the VIA 82C596

Is this worthy of the release notes?

Ciao,
Sheldon.


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It seems Sheldon Hearn wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 08:08:28 MST, Søren Schmidt wrote:
> 
> >   Modified files:
> >     sys/dev/ata          ata-all.c ata-all.h ata-dma.c 
> >   Log:
> >   Add support for ATA66 on newer revisions of the VIA 82C596
> 
> Is this worthy of the release notes?

Sure, if it turns out it works for everybody (it should)...

-Søren


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On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 10:22:50PM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:
> I committed the DocBook 4.0 BETA 5 port.
> 
> This is only intended to give people a first glance at the new DocBook
> DTD.  If you find any peculiarities, please report them to the OASIS
> group or to Nik (since he is actively involved in the discussions (I
> hope that's ok Nik?)).

"actively involved" is probably overstating the case a little bit.  I'm
subscribed to the Davenport mailing list, <docbook@lists.oasis-open.org>,
where DocBook discussions happen, and there are a couple of DocBook
RFEs (Requests For Enhancement, similar to our PR database) open to me
for some of the extensions we've made to the DTD (124 and 125, visible
at http://www.docbook.org/rfe/).

But yeah, if people want to funnel any comments about DocBook 4.0 through
me to the DocBook maintainers that's fine.

N
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Hi There,

Does anyone know where I can find a pdf version of the handbook for release
4.0?

ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/ only has the 3.2 material.

Many thanks,
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Hi folks,

A draft copy of the chapter of the 4.4BSD book which we've been given
permission to reproduce is available for examination at:

	http://www.freebsd.org/~sheldonh/design44bsd/

I'll ask Addision-Wesley how they feel about this stuff getting onto our
CDROMs.

In the mean time, I'd appreciate feedback from anyone who knows about
bits which have changed in FreeBSD which need to be marked as such in
chapter.  The idea is that the text describing each changed aspect
should be flagged with a "Changed in FreeBSD" hypertext link into a list
of changes.

Ciao,
Sheldon.


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[ On Saturday, April 8, Nik Clayton wrote: ]
> 
> 
> For an idea of something I'd like to be able to support, go look at
> 
>     http://www.BSDI.COM/products/internet/hardware/
> 

Nice. That would definitely be worth emulating/stealing-from ...

What I think would also be truely useful to the newcomer (or "veteran" alike)
would be a way to query support for particular motherboards and show which
components of said motherboard are supported, etc. This is "needed" currently
but will just become more important as more "integrated solutions" hit the
market. 

-Jr

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Current FreeBSD problem reports

The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users.
These represent problem reports covering all versions including
experimental development code and obsolete releases.

Bugs can be in one of several states:

o - open
     A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed.

a - analyzed
     The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated.

f - feedback
     The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a
     patch or a fix has been committed.  The PR remains in this state
     pending a response from the originator.

s - suspended
     The problem is not being worked on.  This is a prime candidate
     for somebody who is looking for a project to do.
     If the problem cannot be solved at all,
     it will be closed, rather than suspended.

c - closed
     A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated,
     documented, and tested.

Critical problems
Serious problems

S  Submitted   Tracker     Resp.    Description
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
o [2000/02/08] docs/16585  doc      no info documentation for nm (binutils) i

1 problem total.

Non-critical problems

S  Submitted   Tracker     Resp.    Description
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
o [1998/09/09] docs/7873   doc      poor initial configuration and documentat
o [1999/02/25] docs/10240  doc      We need a script which check if our web m
o [1999/04/07] docs/10997  doc      Problem with query-pr-summary.cgi
o [1999/08/23] docs/13341  doc      FAQ 8.7 addition - booting drive 1 from N
o [1999/08/28] docs/13441  doc      incorrect path in SGML_CATALOG_FILES env 
o [1999/08/28] docs/13442  doc      docproj-primer does not mention where to 
o [1999/09/17] docs/13792  doc      Difficult to find documentation of "secur
o [1999/09/19] docs/13815  doc      Out-of-date FAQ entries
o [1999/09/25] docs/13950  doc      webpage idea
o [1999/09/25] docs/13967  doc      FreeBSD Related Publications in Korea
o [1999/09/29] docs/14035  doc      tzfile.h referenced in tzfile(5) doesn't 
o [1999/10/06] docs/14158  doc      md5(1) manpage should not claim the md5 a
o [1999/10/25] docs/14532  doc      Much of cam_cdbparse(3) prints in Courier
o [1999/10/27] docs/14563  doc      Wrong manpage produced by `man 4 fd'
o [1999/10/27] docs/14565  doc      ioctl() codes for device type `fd' (flopp
o [1999/11/03] docs/14682  doc      lprm(1) unaware of lp(1) Environment Vari
o [1999/12/10] docs/15408  doc      Description of ls and nlist wrong in man 
o [1999/12/19] docs/15561  doc      regex(3) manpage needs update
o [2000/01/01] docs/15821  doc      Wrong device names in manpages for lpt(4)
o [2000/01/04] docs/15890  doc      rfork(RFMEM) on SMP generates error
o [2000/01/18] docs/16173  doc      [PATCH] fix for the kld/cdev example
o [2000/01/29] docs/16439  doc      fdp-primer - difficulties with split SGML
o [2000/02/23] docs/16934  doc      anon transfer log doesn't log all xfers
o [2000/02/26] docs/17014  doc      send-pr sets MAIL_AGENT unconditionally
o [2000/03/01] docs/17101  doc      Useless reference in the doscmd manpage
o [2000/03/01] docs/17105  doc      Wrong crossreference in ndc(8).
o [2000/03/08] docs/17269  doc      Description of Symbols in nm(1)
o [2000/03/13] docs/17364  doc      Fix minor errors and omissions in FAQ
o [2000/03/18] docs/17469  doc      Missing man page: sigwait
o [2000/03/18] docs/17470  doc      Missing man page: pthread_yield
o [2000/03/20] docs/17521  doc      Proposed FAQ on assembly programming
o [2000/03/21] docs/17544  doc      login.conf(5) should have pointer to cap_
o [2000/03/22] docs/17552  doc      Documentation error in divert(4)
o [2000/03/23] docs/17566  doc      [PATCH] ssh(1) and sshd(8) manpage error
o [2000/03/25] docs/17598  doc      installworld over NFS documentation no lo
o [2000/04/03] docs/17780  doc      if they ask for smbmount, they want shari
o [2000/04/06] docs/17836  doc      manpage for sigaction(2) is wrong
o [2000/04/07] docs/17855  doc      PPP Primer is out-of-date
o [2000/04/08] docs/17861  doc      FAQ still needs 4.0 inserted in some plac
o [2000/04/08] docs/17869  doc      Patch provided to update installation sec
o [2000/04/09] docs/17880  doc      ports section in handbook doesn't say ipv

41 problems total.



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>Number:         17916
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       [PATCH] rewrite of cutting-edge section of handbook
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Mon Apr 10 18:20:02 PDT 2000
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Eric Ogren
>Release:        FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386
>Organization:
>Environment:

FreeBSD rod.darktech.org 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #3: Tue Apr  4 21:01:56 EDT 2000     eogren@rod.darktech.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUE  i386

>Description:

	Sometime last week, spurred by people in -stable attacking our
documentation, I rewrote the majority of the cutting-edge chapter,
adding/deleting content, and majorly reorganizing it.
	I submitted this to -doc last week sometime asking for comments,
and no one replied which I assume means nobody had any objections (or that
nobody looked at it), so I'm submitting it.
	Because of the size of the patch, it's gzip'd and uuencoded.

 >How-To-Repeat: 
n/a

>How-To-Repeat:
>Fix:
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  What I *meant* to say was that the changes to the "Can't mount
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Folks,

On Sat, Apr 08, 2000 at 10:07:46PM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote:
> However on the Developer's note I already did some planning and
> organising, which can be found at
> http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai/pdp/index.html

Attached is a rough and ready book.sgml.  Save it somewhere (/tmp ?), check
out the doc/ tree somewhere else, and then do:

    % cd doc/en*/books
    % cp -rp handbook developer-handbook
    % cd developer-handbook
    % cp /tmp/book.sgml .
    % make

add 'FORMATS=...' to the last line depending on your taste.

This uses the existing Handbook content for a few bits and pieces, and
puts together a sample structure for how the Developer Handbook might 
look.  I'll post a separate message in a minute with a URL for a pre-built
version of this for people to look at, and make comments on.  If we can
try and keep comments to that thread I'd be grateful.

N
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    <title>FreeBSD Developer Handbook</title>
    
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	<surname>The FreeBSD Documentation Project</surname>
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          <address>
            <email>doc@FreeBSD.org</email>
          </address>
        </affiliation>
      </author>
    </authorgroup>
    
    <pubdate>April 2000</pubdate>
    
    <copyright>
      <year>2000</year>
      <holder>The FreeBSD Documentation Project</holder>
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    &bookinfo.legalnotice;
    
    <abstract>
      <para>The FreeBSD Developer Handbook covers the information you need to
	develop code for FreeBSD. This manual is a <emphasis>work in
	  progress</emphasis> and is the work of many individuals.  Many
	sections do not yet exist and some of those that do exist need to be
	updated.  If you are interested in helping with this project, send
	email to the &a.doc;.</para>
    </abstract>
  </bookinfo>

  <part>
    <title>Introduction</title>

    <chapter>
      <title>* Architectural Overview</title>
      
      <para></para>
    </chapter>

    &chap.boot;
    
    <chapter>
      <title>* The Kernel</title>
      
      <para></para>
    </chapter>
  </part>

  <part>
    <title>The Virtual Memory System</title>

    <chapter>
      <title>* Introduction</title>

      <para></para>
    </chapter>
  </part>

  <part>
    <title>Filesystems</title>

    <chapter>
      <title>* FFS</title>

      <para></para>
    </chapter>

    <chapter>
      <title>* NFS</title>

      <para></para>
    </chapter>

    <chapter>
      <title>* MFS</title>

      <para></para>
    </chapter>

    <chapter>
      <title>...</title>

      <para></para>
    </chapter>
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    <title>Networking</title>

    <chapter>
      <title>* IPv4</title>

      <para></para>
    </chapter>

    <chapter>
      <title>* IPv6</title>

      <para></para>
    </chapter>

    <chapter>
      <title>...</title>

      <para></para>
    </chapter>
  </part>

  <part>
    <title>System Console</title>

    <chapter>
      <title>* Syscons</title>

      <para></para>
    </chapter>

    <chapter>
      <title>* PCVT</title>

      <para></para>
    </chapter>

    <chapter>
      <title>* Serial console</title>

      <para></para>
    </chapter>

    <chapter>
      <title>* Writing Screensavers</title>

      <para></para>
    </chapter>
  </part>

  <part>
    <title>Device Drivers</title>

    <chapter>
      <title>* Introduction</title>

      <para></para>
    </chapter>

    <chapter>
      <title>* Newbus</title>

      <para></para>
    </chapter>

    <chapter>
      <title>...</title>

      <para></para>
    </chapter>
  </part>

  <part>
    <title>Compatability layers</title>

    <chapter>
      <title>* Linux</title>

      <para></para>
    </chapter>

    <chapter>
      <title>SCO</title>

      <para></para>
    </chapter>
  </part>
  
  <part>
    <title>Debugging</title>

    &chap.kerneldebug;
    
    <chapter>
      <title>...</title>

      <para></para>
    </chapter>
  </part>
  
  <part>
    <title>Administrivia</title>

    &chap.policies;
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 Sorry all for spamming the list, but I don't know of any other way to do
this.
 
 This is just a quick message to Jonathan Michaels
<jlm@welearn.com.au>; Jonathan, I have read and replied to both of the
emails you have sent me. However, your ISP seems to have decided to block
all mail from earthlink, so my responses are never going to get to you.
 If you can get your ISP to unblock my domain (no ISP should block the
mailserver of a major ISP in my opinion, but..), then I'll send them
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Hello everybody!

Houston, I think we have a problem:-) The Handbook build process has been
broken by the following commit:

 tg          2000/04/11 03:52:13 PDT
   Modified files:
     en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/contrib chapter.sgml
   Log:
   Add Andrew L. Neporada for the gsl port and Eoin Lawless for the
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   Revision  Changes    Path
   1.184     +9 -1     doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/contrib/chapter.sgml

At the following:

===================================================================
RCS file:
/home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/contrib/chapter.sgml,v
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2000/04/
[..snip... only relevant section is  shown.]

@@ -2127,6 +2131,10 @@ 
         <para>Elmar Bartel
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+
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+!!!   <listitem> !!!!!
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The fix should be fairly trivial... *sigh* 

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From: Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org>
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Subject: Structuring the Developer Handbook
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[ -doc, -hackers, FU set to -doc ]

Recent discussion on -doc has bought forth the suggestion that the 
Handbook could usefully be split in to a number of smaller books.
Rough consensus is that chunks of the existing Handbook should form parts
of a new "FreeBSD Developer Handbook", to cover information useful to 
FreeBSD developers (and developers using FreeBSD).  Specifically, the sort
of people who inhabit -hackers.

http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/developer-handbook/index.html (or /book.html
if you want one big file) shows a very early cut at how the Developer 
Handbook might be structured.  It includes some content culled from the
current Handbook.

What I'd like is feedback on this structure (which is flexible and open
to change) from the developers, along with suggestions for extra material
that should be included.  I'm sufficiently removed from the development
code face to be totally unsure about the best way to organise topics from
a developer's point of view.

Any and all suggestions welcome.

N
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Nik Clayton wrote:
> 
> [ -doc, -hackers, FU set to -doc ]

> http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/developer-handbook/index.html (or /book.html
> if you want one big file) shows a very early cut at how the Developer
> Handbook might be structured.  It includes some content culled from the
> current Handbook.
> 
> What I'd like is feedback on this structure (which is flexible and open

I'd suggest adding chapters on the general interface of
the modular kernel subsystems before the chapters on particular 
implementations. For example, instead:

-File systems
--FFS
--MFS
...

do

-File systems
--File system interface (or Writing a filesystem)
--FFS
--MFS
...

-SB


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On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:34:55 +0100, Nik Clayton wrote:

>http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/developer-handbook/index.html (or /book.html
>if you want one big file) shows a very early cut at how the Developer 
>Handbook might be structured.  It includes some content culled from the
>current Handbook.

So far the site seems more of an architectural "overview" than a
"developer's handbook". I think there are many basic pieces of
info which would be helpful on this site.

Some suggestions.

-Add a section of what comes with FreeBSD out of the Box. Yes
this should be common knowledge for someone who has been using
FreeBSD, but not for newcomers. In particular a reference to
look at the languages ports (or other relevant port categories)
would be very benefitial.

-Sections on creating ports and packages.

-Mention header files/make files which are used by programs when
compiling under FreeBSD. This is important in particular for
port developers.

-Do a quick overview of where sources reside, both userland and
Kernel.

-Explain how to submit enhancements and fixes.

-Talk about the CVS repository

-Pointer to CVSup on the current Handbook or pointer to the
Cvsup URL.



Some of these suggestions may not seem "techie" enough, but
getting to know the environment where one is going to program is
just as needed as having details about kernel, libraries and
such.



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On 12-Apr-00 Nik Clayton wrote:
> [ -doc, -hackers, FU set to -doc ]
> 
> What I'd like is feedback on this structure (which is flexible and open
> to change) from the developers, along with suggestions for extra material
> that should be included.  I'm sufficiently removed from the development
> code face to be totally unsure about the best way to organise topics from
> a developer's point of view.

I think it's a good general structure that will be fleshed out more as we
have stuff to stick in there.  I want to stick Poul's struct bio paper in
there, so commit it already. :)  Seriously, this is a great thing, and with
regular prodding of -hackers and -committers (and possibly -arch) we should
be able to get a lot of the empty sections fleshed out.

> Any and all suggestions welcome.
> 
> N
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On Tuesday, 11 April 2000 at 15:12:06 -0400, Eric Ogren wrote:
>
>  Sorry all for spamming the list, but I don't know of any other way to do
> this.
>
>  This is just a quick message to Jonathan Michaels
> <jlm@welearn.com.au>; Jonathan, I have read and replied to both of the
> emails you have sent me. However, your ISP seems to have decided to block
> all mail from earthlink, so my responses are never going to get to you.
>  If you can get your ISP to unblock my domain (no ISP should block the
> mailserver of a major ISP in my opinion, but..), then I'll send them
> again.

Hmm.  I don't know if that's going to happen.  I block Earthlink as
well (so you won't be able to reply to me).  The problem is, 99% of
all mail from Earthlink is spam, and we just can't be bothered with
the rest.  Is this the kind of company you want to keep?

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On Wed 2000-04-12 (01:34), Nik Clayton wrote:
> http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/developer-handbook/index.html (or /book.html
> if you want one big file) shows a very early cut at how the Developer 
> Handbook might be structured.  It includes some content culled from the
> current Handbook.

Firstly, I don't think my boot stuff is developer-level (:

Otherwise, this looks great.  I don't think we should be too rigid
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On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:10:04 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote:

> A draft copy of the chapter of the 4.4BSD book which we've been given
> permission to reproduce is available for examination at:
> 
> 	http://www.freebsd.org/~sheldonh/design44bsd/
> 
> I'll ask Addision-Wesley how they feel about this stuff getting onto our
> CDROMs.

Excellent news!

Addison-Wesley have explicitly allowed for the stuff to get onto our
CDROMs, provided it does so as part of the unmodified doc or www repo,
in its entirety and with the copy permission notice intact!

:-)

So now we really just need to decide where to put this beauty.

Ciao,
Sheldon.


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On 12-Apr-00 Sheldon Hearn wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:10:04 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote:
> 
>> A draft copy of the chapter of the 4.4BSD book which we've been given
>> permission to reproduce is available for examination at:
>> 
>>      http://www.freebsd.org/~sheldonh/design44bsd/
>> 
>> I'll ask Addision-Wesley how they feel about this stuff getting onto our
>> CDROMs.
> 
> Excellent news!
> 
> Addison-Wesley have explicitly allowed for the stuff to get onto our
> CDROMs, provided it does so as part of the unmodified doc or www repo,
> in its entirety and with the copy permission notice intact!
> 
>:-)
> 
> So now we really just need to decide where to put this beauty.

Developer's Handbook. :)

> Ciao,
> Sheldon.

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On 12-Apr-00 Neil Blakey-Milner wrote:
> On Wed 2000-04-12 (01:34), Nik Clayton wrote:
>> http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/developer-handbook/index.html (or /book.html
>> if you want one big file) shows a very early cut at how the Developer 
>> Handbook might be structured.  It includes some content culled from the
>> current Handbook.
> 
> Firstly, I don't think my boot stuff is developer-level (:

I have to agree.

> Otherwise, this looks great.  I don't think we should be too rigid
> structurally until we get more content, though.
> 
> Neil
> -- 
> Neil Blakey-Milner
> Alpha Geek, Sunesi Clinical Systems
> nbm@mithrandr.moria.org
> 
> 
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 07:36:20 -0400, John Baldwin wrote:

> > So now we really just need to decide where to put this beauty.
> 
> Developer's Handbook. :)

I disagree because this chapter is of incredible value to newcomers who
have no interest at all in development.  In fact, when I first
approached Addison-Wesley for permission to reproduce the chapter, it
was novice end-users that I had in mind.

Certainly, we could reference the chapter from within the Developer's
Handbook, but it's certainly not developer-centric at all.

Ciao,
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At 12 Apr 2000 09:09:45 GMT,
Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@uunet.co.za> wrote:
> Addison-Wesley have explicitly allowed for the stuff to get onto our
> CDROMs, provided it does so as part of the unmodified doc or www repo,
> in its entirety and with the copy permission notice intact!

Nice!  By the way, how about translation of that?  Can we translate
it?


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On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:16:23 +0900, Jun Kuriyama wrote:

> Nice!  By the way, how about translation of that?  Can we translate
> it?

I've asked the editor how he feels about translations.

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On 12-Apr-00 Sheldon Hearn wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 07:36:20 -0400, John Baldwin wrote:
> 
>> > So now we really just need to decide where to put this beauty.
>> 
>> Developer's Handbook. :)
> 
> I disagree because this chapter is of incredible value to newcomers who
> have no interest at all in development.  In fact, when I first
> approached Addison-Wesley for permission to reproduce the chapter, it
> was novice end-users that I had in mind.
> 
> Certainly, we could reference the chapter from within the Developer's
> Handbook, but it's certainly not developer-centric at all.

True, I'm a little developer's handbook-centric at the moment. :)  Why
not stick it in the Handbook then?  (The non-published version of course.)

> Ciao,
> Sheldon.

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>Number:         17954
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       mailwrapper man page NetBSD->FreeBSD nit
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Wed Apr 12 08:50:01 PDT 2000
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Brian Handy
>Release:        FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386
>Organization:
MSU - Bozeman
>Environment:
>Description:
The mailwrapper man page is a little NetBSD-specific.  In light of the 
recent minor flamefest on -current where someone recommended "man
mailwrapper", I did.  This is the part I couldn't tolerate.  Changed to
be slightly more OS-neutral. 

>How-To-Repeat:
>Fix:

--- mailwrapper.8.orig	Tue Apr 11 23:16:59 2000
+++ mailwrapper.8	Tue Apr 11 23:17:29 2000
@@ -52,7 +52,7 @@
 .Pp
 Times have changed, however.
 On a modern
-.Nx
+.Bx
 system, the administrator may wish to use one of several
 available MTAs.
 .Pp

>Release-Note:
>Audit-Trail:
>Unformatted:


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I've copied this to -doc (from -stable) along with a patch to the top-level
Makefile. I know that a little RTFM'ing will result in somebody finding out
about the docproj meta-port, but wouldn't it be a good idea to include this in
the top-level Makefile? That way, if somebody was RTFM'ing around in the doc
sources and Makefiles themselves, they might find this with less
effort. Please consider commiting this patch (or a modified-to-your-taste
version) to the top-level Makefile in /usr/doc:

--- Makefile.orig       Wed Apr 12 14:14:30 2000
+++ Makefile    Wed Apr 12 14:21:17 2000
@@ -2,7 +2,20 @@
 #
 # The user can override the default list of languages to build and install
 # with the DOC_LANG variable.
+#
+# Several applications are needed to build the various views of the docs
+# from their sources. All of the necessary programs can be built and installed
+# by installing the 'docproj' meta-port.
+#
+#   cd /usr/ports/textproc/docproj
+#   make install
+#
+# For more information about the FreeBSD Documentation Project (FDP) and how
+# you can contribute, please visit
+#
+#   http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html 
 # 
+
 .if defined(DOC_LANG) && !empty(DOC_LANG)
 SUBDIR =       ${DOC_LANG}
 .else


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Subject: Re: Tracking docs along with -stable
To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:38:42 -0400 (EDT)

>>>>> "j" == jreynold  <John> writes:

j> docproj is a "meta port" which will install everything need to compile docs.

Man, I wish I knew about that before trying to compile the docs and
adding one piece of ports at a time... ;-)

Thanks for the note!  I wish that were in a README in the doc
sources...

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On Wed, Apr 12, 2000 at 02:38:42PM -0400, Vivek Khera wrote:
> Thanks for the note!  I wish that were in a README in the doc
> sources...

I've just added one to the top of doc/ . . .

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> Do you agree that the proposed style would reduce in this way, the work
> required to _create_ changes?

Absolutely.

But again, I'd be concerned that writers might produce stilted or oddly
sounding paragraphs if consciously watching out for when to press the
newline button.

>Whether or not the saving is enough
> motivation to adopt this style is a different issue.  For now, I'm just
> interested in hearing whether you think there's any merit in this at
> all, in case I've completely missed the boat.

Oh no, you haven't missed the boat at all.  Structured information
standards (and the Emacs PSGML mode) already do give a fair amount of
physical formatting to what is plain text, and whitespace commits are a
(sometimes) necessary evil.  I'd welcome something to minimize their
impact, so long as it didn't impact creativity or flow.

Take care.
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[sorry, but as Greg mentioned, I can't reply to him directly]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2000 at 04:00:43PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote:
> On Tuesday, 11 April 2000 at 15:12:06 -0400, Eric Ogren wrote:
> 
> Hmm.  I don't know if that's going to happen.  I block Earthlink as
> well (so you won't be able to reply to me).  The problem is, 99% of
> all mail from Earthlink is spam, and we just can't be bothered with
> the rest.  Is this the kind of company you want to keep?

 Well, the question is more "Do I want to change my email address now,
going through the procedure of unsubscribing/resubscribing/giving out my
new email address to people, and then go through the same thing again in
September (college)?"
 That, and, because I live in the middle of nowhere, there are very few
ISPs that have a POP in my area, and those that do are usually either more
expensive or don't have a flat rate.
 I am of course no supporter of spam, and if I wasn't relaying through
earthlink's SMTP servers I wouldn't be surprised when my email got
rejected. However, I am not so virulently anti-spam that I think it is
justified to block a major ISP. It's not like earthlink is a 5 user ISP, 
where you may catch one user in the anti-spam crossfire; I would think
that there are a good deal of non-spammers who use earthlink.
Of course, my less-militant view on spam may be because I do not run an
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day (instead, only 20), but...

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Synopsis: mailwrapper man page NetBSD->FreeBSD nit

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On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:43:58 CST, handy@physics.montana.edu wrote:

> --- mailwrapper.8.orig	Tue Apr 11 23:16:59 2000
> +++ mailwrapper.8	Tue Apr 11 23:17:29 2000
> @@ -52,7 +52,7 @@
>  .Pp
>  Times have changed, however.
>  On a modern
> -.Nx
> +.Bx
>  system, the administrator may wish to use one of several
>  available MTAs.
>  .Pp

Since mailwrapper's likely to be used on lots of systems, .Ux is
probably going to be the most practical macro.

Would you be happy with that?

Ciao,
Sheldon.


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On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Nik Clayton wrote:

> to change) from the developers, along with suggestions for extra material
> that should be included.  I'm sufficiently removed from the development

Perhaps add a few basic things for people fairly new to BSD (or even UNIX
programming in general).

BSD things would include the err functions, queue.h macros...
general UNIX things could include various IPC bits and pieces, sockets
etc. Perhaps pointers to some of this stuff as reasonable tutorials
already appear on the web...things like the GTK tutorial could get a link.

The next question is who will write these things so I'll bow out now :-) 

Thanks,

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From owner-freebsd-doc  Thu Apr 13  5:47:54 2000
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>Since mailwrapper's likely to be used on lots of systems, .Ux is
>probably going to be the most practical macro.
>
>Would you be happy with that?

Oh, yea, no sweat here.  I only did a quick cursory inspection of the mdoc
man page before I found BSD UNIX.  Looked for "Unix" but I guess either my
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>Number:         17972
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       FreeBSD has no example refuse supfile
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          change-request
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Thu Apr 13 06:50:02 PDT 2000
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Michael Lucas
>Release:        FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386
>Organization:
>Environment:

This hasn't existed in FreeBSD since 1995, and still doesn't.

>Description:

People don't understand how to make CVSup refuse to update certain
files.  This pops up on -questions and -stable repeatedly.

>How-To-Repeat:

ls /usr/share/examples/cvsup/

>Fix:
	
Here is my suggested file: /usr/share/examples/cvsup/refuse

#This is an example "refuse file".  You can copy this file to
#/usr/sup/refuse and uncomment what you want.
#
#Any file listed in /usr/sup/refuse will not be touched by cvsup.  For
#example, if you've modified /usr/src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.mc to
#reflect your local configuration, and you don't CVSup to touch that
#file, you can uncomment this:
#
#etc/sendmail/freebsd.mc
#
#If you list a directory, changes to any files beneath that directory
#will be rejected.  For example, if you are an English speaker and are
#not tracking the foreign-language ports, you can uncomment the following.
#
#ports/chinese
#ports/german
#ports/japanese
#ports/korean
#ports/russian
#ports/vietnamese
#
#If you refuse large sections of the system (for example, bin/), make
#world might refuse to work properly.

>Release-Note:
>Audit-Trail:
>Unformatted:


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The following reply was made to PR docs/17972; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@uunet.co.za>
To: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org
Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: docs/17972: example "refuse" supfile 
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:55:14 +0200

 On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:47:57 -0400, mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org wrote:
 
 > People don't understand how to make CVSup refuse to update certain
 > files.  This pops up on -questions and -stable repeatedly.
 
 Excellent!  The only thing I think we could do to improve on what you've
 sent is clarify that /usr/sup depends on ``base=/usr'' in the supfile.
 
 Ciao,
 Sheldon.
 


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The following reply was made to PR docs/17972; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: Michael Lucas <mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org>
To: sheldonh@uunet.co.za (Sheldon Hearn)
Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: docs/17972: example "refuse" supfile
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:23:17 -0400 (EDT)

 > On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:03:38 -0400, Michael Lucas wrote:
 > 
 > > Sure, should I send it to you or re-pr?
 > 
 > Send it to me, cc freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org, maintaining the
 > subject line. :-)
 
 Done.  Now will you make those people on -stable go away?  ;)
 
 #This is an example "refuse file".  You can copy this file to your sup
 #directory and uncomment what you want.
 #
 #If you've taken the defaults, your sup directory is /usr/sup.  If
 #you've changed your base directory, your sup directory is $BASE/sup.
 #
 #CVSup will not touch anything listed in the refuse file.  
 #
 #For example, if you've modified /usr/src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.mc to
 #reflect your local configuration, and you don't CVSup to touch that
 #file, you can uncomment this:
 #
 #etc/sendmail/freebsd.mc
 #
 #If you list a directory, changes to any files beneath that directory
 #will be rejected.  For example, if you are an English speaker and are
 #not tracking the foreign-language ports, you can uncomment the following.
 #
 #ports/chinese
 #ports/german
 #ports/japanese
 #ports/korean
 #ports/russian
 #ports/vietnamese
 #
 #If you refuse large sections of the system (for example, bin/), make
 #world might refuse to work properly.
 
 
 


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Synopsis: FreeBSD has no example refuse supfile

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What i have to do for an exellent configuration of my monitor resolution
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Please helpme i cant found a perfect dirver in the database.

send me one or various examples, please.


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Sorry for send you twice this e-mail.

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What i have to do for an exellent configuration of my monitor resolution
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| On Tuesday, 11 April 2000 at 15:12:06 -0400, Eric Ogren wrote:
| >  Sorry all for spamming the list, but I don't know of any other way to do
| >  This is just a quick message to Jonathan Michaels
| > <jlm@welearn.com.au>; Jonathan, I have read and replied to both of the
| > emails you have sent me. However, your ISP seems to have decided to block
| > all mail from earthlink, so my responses are never going to get to you.
| >  If you can get your ISP to unblock my domain (no ISP should block the
| > mailserver of a major ISP in my opinion, but..), then I'll send them
| Hmm.  I don't know if that's going to happen.  I block Earthlink as
| well (so you won't be able to reply to me).  The problem is, 99% of
| all mail from Earthlink is spam, and we just can't be bothered with
| the rest.  Is this the kind of company you want to keep?

Earthlink owns mindspring too.  I believe freebsd.org blocks
*.rr.com as well. (from personal experience)
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for freebsd.org.  For personal usage, you can of course
block any DN/IP you wish, but, in order to reach more
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What are the hardware requirements for FreeBSD?
Will FreeBSD run on a Macintosh with a 68030 processor (IIci)?
Where can I get the FreeBSD OS to install on my machine?
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 at 18:59:02 -0500, Jim Klett wrote:
> What are the hardware requirements for FreeBSD?
> Will FreeBSD run on a Macintosh with a 68030 processor (IIci)?
> Where can I get the FreeBSD OS to install on my machine?
> I'm VERY interested in this OS. Please respond. Jim Klett

Read the handbook.  http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/

- jim

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I've got an observation with no clear suggestion of what should 
be done about it:

I was looking for information on using ssh today, and noticed that 
the FreeBSD Handbook doesn't have ssh listed in the table of contents.
Other security goodies have their own sections, but all of the ssh 
information is found in the general "Securing FreeBSD" section.  Even 
S/Key, which, like ssh, is included by default, has its own section.

This leads to two observations/suggestions:

1) It's hard to find the information on ssh because it doesn't show 
up in the TOC.

2) I think a separate section on both how to set up and how to use 
SSH would be nice.  Things like how to set up ftp via ssh would be 
good.  I know that information is elsewhere, but it's awful nice to 
have one place to go for all the good info...

I'm not sure what to do about (1) that doesn't require also fixing (2), 
and that would probably require rewriting the "Securing FreeBSD" section
as well.  I haven't even had time to post a list of typos I made 
about 10 days ago, so I ain't volunteering for nuttin' at the moment.  
Sorry.

-- Bob


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Hey there,

I have written the following documentation on how to set up ipfw over a
ppp connection.  I hope this is the right place to submit it, but if
not, please let me know.  A copy of this (for better viewing) is at
http://draenor.org/ipfw

Something like this is missing from the FAQ and handbook (or if it's
there I certainly missed it) so perhaps it could be included with a bit
of work??

Thanks,
Marc

IPFW and NATD over a dynamically assigned IP over PPP connection
================================================================


This page serves to document how to setup a firewall using a PPP dialup
with FreeBSD and IPFW. If there are any problems with this page, please
email me.

The page was simply created as a reference to users who need more
information than that provided in the handbook. It deals specifically
with firewalling over a dialup. 

The first thing you'll need to do is recompile your kernel is FreeBSD.
If you need more information on how to recompile the kernel, then the
best place to start is http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/kernelconfig.html. 

You need to compile the following options into the kernel: 

IPFIREWALL 
IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE 
IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=100 
IPDIVERT 

IPFIREWALL <--> tells the kernel that you want to enable IP firewalling. 
IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE <--> tells the kernel that you want verbose logging.
IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT <--> specify the amount of repeated messages
before IPFW stops logging the attempt.
IPDIVERT <--> this is required in order to divert packets with natd.

Don't reboot once you have recompiled the kernel. Hopefully, we will
need to reboot just once in order to complete the installing of the
firewall.

We now need to make some changes to /etc/rc.conf in order to tell it
about the firewall. Simply add the following lines. 

firewall_enable="YES"
firewall_script="/etc/firewall/fwrules"
natd_enable="YES"
natd_interface="tun0"
natd_flags="-dynamic"       
ppp_enable="YES"
ppp_mode="auto"
ppp_nat="NO"
ppp_profile="YOURPROFILE"

For more information on what the above do take a look at
/etc/defaults/rc.conf. Make sure to change ppp_profile name to match
your profile in /etc/ppp/ppp.conf

We're nearly done now. All that remains now is to define the firewall
rules and then we can reboot and the firewall should be up and running.

I realise that everyone will want something slightly different when it
comes to their rulebase. What I've tried to do is write a rulebase that suits 
most dialup users. You can obviously modify it to your needs by simply using 
the following rules as the foundation for your own rulebase. Please note
that the following while I've tested it rather extensively may not the most 
perfect rulebase. :) First, let's start with the basics of firewalling. What 
you want to do is deny everything by default and then only open up for the 
things you really need. Rules should be in the order of allow first and then 
deny. The premis is that you add the rules for your allows, and then everything 
else is denied. :)

Now, let's make the dir /etc/firewall. Change into the directory and
edit the file fwrules as we specified in rc.conf. Please note that you
can change this filename to be anything you wish. This guide just gives 
an example of a filename. 

Now, let's look at a sample firewall file, and we'll detail everything
in it. 

  <-------------------- Start Here ------------------->

# Firewall rules
# Written by Marc Silver (marcs@draenor.org)
# http://draenor.org/ipfw
# Freely distributable 
# #

# Define the firewall command (as in /etc/rc.firewall) for easy
# reference.  Helps to make it easier to read.
# #
fwcmd="/sbin/ipfw"

# Force a flushing of the current rules before we reload.
# #
$fwcmd -f flush

# Divert all packets through the tunnel interface.
# #
$fwcmd add divert natd all from any to any via tun0

# Allow all data from my network card and localhost.
# #
$fwcmd add allow ip from any to any via lo0
$fwcmd add allow ip from any to any via fxp0

# Allow all connections that I initiate.
# #
$fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any out xmit tun0 setup

# Once connections are made, allow them to stay open.
# #
$fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any via tun0 established

# Everyone on the internet is allowed to connect to the following
# services on the machine.  This example shows that people may connect
# to ssh and apache.
# #
$fwcmd add pass log tcp from any to any 80 setup
$fwcmd add pass log tcp from any to any 22 setup

# This sends a RESET to all ident packets.
# #
$fwcmd add reset log tcp from any to any 113 in recv tun0

# Allow outgoing DNS queries ONLY to the specified servers.
# #
$fwcmd add allow udp from any to x.x.x.x 53 out xmit tun0
$fwcmd add allow udp from any to x.x.x.x 53 out xmit tun0

# Allow them back in with the answers...  :)
# #
$fwcmd add allow udp from x.x.x.x 53 to any in recv tun0
$fwcmd add allow udp from x.x.x.x 53 to any in recv tun0

# Allow ICMP (for ping and traceroute to work).  You may wish to
# disallow this, but I feel it suits my needs to keep them in.
# #
$fwcmd add 65435 allow icmp from any to any

# Deny all the rest.
# #
$fwcmd add 65435 deny log ip from any to any


  <-------------------- End Here ------------------->

You now have a fully functional firewall that will allow on
connections to ports 80 and 22 and will log any other connection
attempts. Now, you should be able to safely reboot and your firewall 
should come up fine. If you find this incorrect in anyway or experience 
any problems, or have any suggestions to improve this page, please email me.


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Dear Sir,

I'm looking for the FreeBSD 4.0 handbook in PDF format.  The online version 
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I want to print the PDF handbook and would like to have the latest version. 
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From: Nicola Vitale <nivit@libero.it>
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Subject: Italian mailing list
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Hi,
	please, can anyone add a new entry in
http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#mailing-list?

* Italian -- freebsd-it-subscribe@egroups.com

Thanks.

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From owner-freebsd-doc  Sat Apr 15  2: 2:25 2000
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From: Andrew <andrew@ugh.net.au>
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Hi,

The freebsd-ppc mailing list is missing from
http://www.au.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL

I'm not sure if there is any others missing...perhaps it could be synced
with majordomo?

Thanks,

Andrew



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From owner-freebsd-doc  Sat Apr 15 10:24:32 2000
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From: Alex Chamandy <alex@blackhatnetworks.com>
To: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
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Any opinions/comments/suggestions/etc for bsdfreak.org? :)


    Alex Chamandy
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On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Greg Lehey wrote:

> In case you missed this one.
> 
> ----- Forwarded message from Alex <alex@magnetar.blackhatnetworks.com> -----
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> > I am writing in to ask if we could have a link posted about our non-profit
> > BSD news site called bsdfreak.org on your FreeBSD News page.  Thanks!
> > 
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From owner-freebsd-doc  Sat Apr 15 12:44:55 2000
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Hello I was wondering if there is a pdf version of the handbook? 


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