From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 1 2: 3:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D38314F5F for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 02:03:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from better47@swbell.net) Received: from powerbox ([216.63.49.120]) by mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with SMTP id <0FNN00LUPILQ7X@mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net> for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 04:03:26 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 04:03:02 -0600 From: Joong Kim Subject: To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <001f01bf543f$6443c8e0$0205010a@betterbox.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01BF540D.19556C80" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BF540D.19556C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BF540D.19556C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BF540D.19556C80-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 1 2: 8:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from oracle.dsuper.net (oracle.dsuper.net [205.205.255.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F229014E18 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 02:08:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmilekic@dsuper.net) Received: from oracle.dsuper.net (oracle.dsuper.net [205.205.255.1]) by oracle.dsuper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA25834; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 05:08:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 05:08:27 -0500 (EST) From: Bosko Milekic To: Charles Youse Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Panic: Out of mbuf clusters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 31 Dec 1999, Charles Youse wrote: !> !>Perhaps, then, it would be best to monitor the number of free clusters !>and when it hits a low watermark, to allocate more - perhaps by flagging !>an AST to obviate allocating clusters from within an interrupt context. It's difficult to understand what you mean here. Revise the present implementation with much more detail to notice the pitfall. We could start explaining everything here but, believe me, it's probably way faster and more convenient for you to just read the code and sort of scribble up the ideas. ;-) !> !>Stated more specifically, the mbuf management routines, which can be !>called in an interrupt context, should be responsible for monitoring the !>levels and triggering the AST. The AST handler's job would be to stay !>ahead of the game to prevent interrupt handlers from digging the !>cluster-well dry (which would still result in a panic). Hmm, I'll add to what I mentionned above... review the implementation in -CURRENT at the moment to see exactly how it works when the panic() is not there. !> !>A certain part of my instincts tell me that this is a dirty hack, I don't !>think it's possible to devise a scheme based on this idea that could be !>proven [mathematically] not to result in a panic under certain conditions. !>On the other hand, I think if the allocator is smart enough it can !>probably cover most of the real-world cases without being a memory hog. !> !>Comments? !> !>Chuck It's somewhat difficult to figure out how to properly manage resources such as mbufs or mbuf clusters which are allocated from a fixed `zone.' The fact of the matter is, if you're willingly really pushing the system to, literally, its "limit," you'll run out and have to deal with it. Ideally, what has to be done to properly handle a situation such as this one (at least in my opinion), would be to always split the problem up in several sub-categories. This way, you'll know specifically what you're dealing with, and therefore possibly come up with a more flexible solution. In the case of mbufs, for instance, you can consider: (i) Shortage as a result of a [local] DoS. (ii) Shortage as a result of a remote DoS. (iii) Shortage as a result of much network activity (etc.) In -CURRENT, the `wait' code and all that other mumbo jumbo at the mbuf layer provides a "base" or "service" for some of the above. Now, for instance, we can look into solving (i) at a little "higher" level -- for example, in sosend() and soreceive() we can contribute to the `accounting' already in place by figuring out a way to track the variation (delta) of allocated mbufs after all mbuf clusters have been starved, and kill the offending process accordingly. Not only will this allow us to kill offending processes, but it will also help with the amount of time spent _inside the kernel_ waiting for something to be freed up. As for (ii) and in some cases even (iii), you may want to look at several things. For example, going through the nfs or netinet code to insure proper handeling (at that level) of an mbuf allocation failure would be _very_ helpful, at least for starters. Hopefully this was of some help... Bosko. -- Bosko Milekic Email: bmilekic@dsuper.net WWW: http://pages.infinit.net/bmilekic/ -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 1 6:27: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E282F14FF4 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 06:26:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from walterr@bellatlantic.net) Received: from bellatlantic.net (adsl-151-202-19-237.bellatlantic.net [151.202.19.237]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA03228 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 09:26:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <386E0EB2.C4C45660@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 09:26:58 -0500 From: Tony Rentschler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: sem_otime not updated? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm writing a program that uses a SysV semaphore, and it seems that the sem_otime field of the semid_ds struct is not updated after a call to semop. According to Steven's Unix Network Programming V2, the sem_otime field is set to zero when the semaphore is created, then is updated with the current time when semop is called. In /usr/sys/kern/sysv_sem.c on my 3.4 STABLE, I see that the sem_otime field is set to zero in the semget call, but is never referred to anyplace else. So, it looks like the source confirms my experiences. In a search of deja.com for sem_otime, I found a patch posted by Peter Jeremy on 6/4/99, but, as far as I can tell, that's for CURRENT. I've never worked with FreeBSD at this (low) level, but I wonder if the patch could be applied to STABLE? I'd prefer not to move to CURRENT, nor to apply the patch myself (because I'll forget about it a couple of months from now when I do a buildworld!). I'm open to suggestions on how best to proceed. Thanks, Tony To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 1 8:35: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cc1017255-a.srst1.fl.home.com (cc1017255-a.srst1.fl.home.com [24.3.122.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247B914CB5 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 08:34:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hg@n2wx.ampr.org) Received: from penny.n2wx.ampr.org (penny [172.16.0.5]) by cc1017255-a.srst1.fl.home.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA2A1E5A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 11:34:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by penny.n2wx.ampr.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A670F111; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 11:34:56 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14446.11440.328151.913890@penny.n2wx.ampr.org> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 11:34:56 -0500 (EST) From: Howard Goldstein To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: date +%G still thinks it's 1999? Reply-To: hgoldste@bbs.mpcs.com X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong here :( cally:/usr/src/bin/date$ date -u Sat Jan 1 16:22:45 GMT 2000 cally:/usr/src/bin/date$ date -u '+%a, %d %b %G %H:%M:%S GMT' Sat, 01 Jan 1999 16:23:01 GMT cally:/usr/src/bin/date$ date -u '+%G' 1999 If something's broken it doesn't look like it's going to stay broken for long: cally:/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime$ date -v2d -u '+%a, %d %b %G %H:%M:%S GMT' Sun, 02 Jan 1999 16:33:12 GMT cally:/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime$ date -v3d -u '+%a, %d %b %G %H:%M:%S GMT' Mon, 03 Jan 2000 16:33:17 GMT FWIW: cally:/usr/src/bin/date$ ident *c date.c: $FreeBSD: src/bin/date/date.c,v 1.26.2.4 1999/12/15 13:57:04 sheldonh Exp $ netdate.c: $FreeBSD: src/bin/date/netdate.c,v 1.10.2.1 1999/08/29 14:12:04 peter Exp $ vary.c: $FreeBSD: src/bin/date/vary.c,v 1.4.2.2 1999/08/29 14:12:05 peter Exp $ cally:/usr/src/bin/date$ ident /usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime/strftime.c /usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime/strftime.c: $FreeBSD: src/lib/libc/stdtime/strftime.c,v 1.20.2.2 1999/12/10 11:00:47 sheldonh Exp $ cally:/usr/src/bin/date$ uname -a FreeBSD cally.south.mpcs.com 3.4-STABLE FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE #1: Sat Dec 25 10:50:54 EST 1999 root@cally.south.mpcs.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/CALLY i386 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 1 8:41: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.57.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4382414D5F for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 08:41:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vev@michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 562 invoked by uid 1001); 1 Jan 2000 16:40:58 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14446.11440.328151.913890@penny.n2wx.ampr.org> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 11:40:58 -0500 (EST) X-Face: *0^4Iw) To: hgoldste@bbs.mpcs.com Subject: RE: date +%G still thinks it's 1999? Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 01-Jan-00 Howard Goldstein wrote: > > I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong here :( > > cally:/usr/src/bin/date$ date -u > Sat Jan 1 16:22:45 GMT 2000 > cally:/usr/src/bin/date$ date -u '+%a, %d %b %G %H:%M:%S GMT' > Sat, 01 Jan 1999 16:23:01 GMT > cally:/usr/src/bin/date$ date -u '+%G' > 1999 > > If something's broken it doesn't look like it's going to stay broken > for long: > > cally:/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime$ date -v2d -u '+%a, %d %b %G %H:%M:%S GMT' > Sun, 02 Jan 1999 16:33:12 GMT > cally:/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime$ date -v3d -u '+%a, %d %b %G %H:%M:%S GMT' > Mon, 03 Jan 2000 16:33:17 GMT %g is also broken. $ date -u '+%g' 99 $ Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net 128K ISDN: $24.95/mo or less - 56K Dialup: $17.95/mo or less at Pop4 Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 1 8:52:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cc1017255-a.srst1.fl.home.com (cc1017255-a.srst1.fl.home.com [24.3.122.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB99B14D5F for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 08:52:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hg@n2wx.ampr.org) Received: from penny.n2wx.ampr.org (penny [172.16.0.5]) by cc1017255-a.srst1.fl.home.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A76C1E5A; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 11:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by penny.n2wx.ampr.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4BE50155; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 11:52:44 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14446.12507.986096.614422@penny.n2wx.ampr.org> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 11:52:43 -0500 (EST) From: Howard Goldstein To: "Castor Fu" Cc: vev@michvhf.com, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: date +%G still thinks it's 1999? (as it should) In-Reply-To: References: <14446.11440.328151.913890@penny.n2wx.ampr.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: hgoldste@bbs.mpcs.com Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Castor Fu writes: > > > On Sat, 1 Jan 2000, Howard Goldstein wrote: > > > > > I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong here :( > > Reading the man page wrong? Definitely yes > > %G is replaced by a year as a decimal number with century. This year > is the one that contains the greater part of the week (Monday as > the first day of the week). > > Since most of this week is in 1999, the answer is. . . . 1999 Arrgh... %Y works a whole lot better. Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 1 8:54:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.svzserv.kemerovo.su (mail.svzserv.kemerovo.su [194.58.85.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5D914CB1 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 08:54:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mail.svzserv.kemerovo.su!iname.com!eugen@mail.svzserv.kemerovo.su) Received: from iname.com (D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su [194.135.215.134]) by mail.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00764; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 23:52:50 +0700 (NKZ) (envelope-from eugen@iname.com) Message-ID: <386E311D.6E04DC54@iname.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 23:53:49 +0700 From: Eugene Grosbein Organization: SVZServ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hgoldste@bbs.mpcs.com Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: date +%G still thinks it's 1999? References: <14446.11440.328151.913890@penny.n2wx.ampr.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Howard Goldstein wrote: > > I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong here :( > > cally:/usr/src/bin/date$ date -u > Sat Jan 1 16:22:45 GMT 2000 > cally:/usr/src/bin/date$ date -u '+%a, %d %b %G %H:%M:%S GMT' > Sat, 01 Jan 1999 16:23:01 GMT > cally:/usr/src/bin/date$ date -u '+%G' > 1999 It's all right. From 'man strftime': ----- %G is replaced by a year as a decimal number with century. This year is the one that contains the greater part of the week (Monday as the first day of the week). %g is replaced by the same year as in ``%G'', but as a decimal number without century (00-99). ----- You should use %Y to obtain 2000. Eugene Grosbein. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 1 9:50:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gcs.hu (ns.gcs.hu [195.75.249.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C936514FA2 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 09:50:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mmuller@gcs.hu) Received: (from mmuller@localhost) by gcs.hu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) id SAA01269 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 18:53:09 +0100 Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 18:53:09 +0100 From: MULLER Miklos Message-Id: <200001011753.SAA01269@gcs.hu> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Obtaining CTM deltas Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, i'm trying to use CTM and have the following (theoretical) question: In the handbook there is a chapter about CTM, which says: "18.3.2.3. Starting off with CTM for the first time ... However, since the trees are many tens of megabytes, you should prefer to start from something already at hand. If you have a RELEASE CD, you can copy or extract an initial source from it. This will save a significant transfer of data. ". Ok i have a release 3.0 and a release 3.3. CD, i unpack all the sources, say from the 3.3 release cd. Then how do i figure out which will be my starting delta? i can figure out the last modification time in the source tree and use deltas from the next day, but i'm not convinced, that this is the right way to do it. Comments? Thanks: Miklos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 1 10:51:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tranq1.tranquility.net (tranq1.tranquility.net [206.156.230.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93EBE14E16 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 10:51:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (stephen.tranquility.net [206.156.230.78]) by tranq1.tranquility.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA20263 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 12:51:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <386E4CCC.D934AE74@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 12:51:56 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Obtaining CTM deltas References: <200001011753.SAA01269@gcs.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG MULLER Miklos wrote: > > Hello, > > i'm trying to use CTM and have the following (theoretical) > question: In the handbook there is a chapter about CTM, > which says: > > "18.3.2.3. Starting off with CTM for the first time > > ... > > However, since the trees are many tens of megabytes, you should prefer to > start from something already at hand. If you have a RELEASE CD, you can > copy or extract an initial source from it. This will save a significant > transfer of data. ". > > Ok i have a release 3.0 and a release 3.3. CD, i unpack all the sources, > say from the 3.3 release cd. > Then how do i figure out which will be my starting delta? > i can figure out the last modification time in the source tree > and use deltas from the next day, but i'm not convinced, that this > is the right way to do it. > > Comments? > I never could get this to work. I found a delta on the ftp site that has the word "Empty" in it, and started from there. (Make sure that the directory that you ctm into is empty before you start.) -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu 307 Math Science Building stephen@showme.missouri.edu Department of Mathematics stephen@missouri.edu University of Missouri-Columbia Columbia, MO 65211 USA Phone (573) 882 4540 Fax (573) 882 1869 http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 1 11:58:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.uniserve.com (mail2.uniserve.com [204.244.156.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3198815007; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 11:58:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca ([204.244.186.218]) by mail2.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 3.03 #4) id 124UfH-00084E-00; Sat, 01 Jan 2000 11:58:15 -0800 Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 11:58:12 -0800 (PST) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Peter Wemm , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: softupdates and debug.max_softdeps In-Reply-To: <199912311950.LAA85337@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 31 Dec 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > : How many instances of postmark are you running? I used 4 separate > :instances (you must run them in separate directories). > > Well, you didn't say that! :-) I'm running one. I'll start up > another couple to match your test. Actually, I did. Postmark as a single process won't really stress your system much. Multiple instances should be similar to the load that postfix can put on a system. > : How fast are your disks? I used an external RAID-5 array that appears > :as single disk to FreeBSD. It is RAID-5, so the performance isn't that > :great for writing. I think my virtual disk is quite slow. If your system > :has fast disks, run more instances of postmark. > > Fast. Two striped 18G seacrates on each system 40 MB/sec SCSI bus on > one system, 80 MB/sec SCSI bus on the other. > > : > : Well, I lost last nights panic because of fsck complaining about several > :million unreferenced files. I'm going to log to disk next time. > : > :Tom > :Uniserve > > Ach. I think fsck verbosity is a problem. My capture file was 24 MB and growing. Almost all of it was fsck UNREF errors. Anyhow, the following is the panic. It isn't hard to see where it is going wrong. "inodedep" increases steadily. panic: kmem_malloc(4096): kmem_map too small: 213647360 total allocated mp_lock = 01000001; cpuid = 1; lapic.id = 00000000 boot() called on cpu#1 > -Matt > Matthew Dillon > > > Tom Uniserve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 1 16:53: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8310214D93 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 16:52:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04335; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 16:49:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 16:49:21 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: Tony Rentschler Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sem_otime not updated? Message-ID: <20000101164921.A2047@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <386E0EB2.C4C45660@bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <386E0EB2.C4C45660@bellatlantic.net>; from walterr@bellatlantic.net on Sat, Jan 01, 2000 at 09:26:58AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jan 01, 2000 at 09:26:58AM -0500, Tony Rentschler wrote: > I'm writing a program that uses a SysV semaphore, and it seems that the > sem_otime field of the semid_ds struct is not updated after a call to > semop. According to Steven's Unix Network Programming V2, the sem_otime > field is set to zero when the semaphore is created, then is updated with > the current time when semop is called. > > In /usr/sys/kern/sysv_sem.c on my 3.4 STABLE, I see that the sem_otime > field is set to zero in the semget call, but is never referred to > anyplace else. So, it looks like the source confirms my experiences. > > In a search of deja.com for sem_otime, I found a patch posted by Peter > Jeremy on 6/4/99, but, as far as I can tell, that's for CURRENT. > > I've never worked with FreeBSD at this (low) level, but I wonder if the > patch could be applied to STABLE? I'd prefer not to move to CURRENT, nor > to apply the patch myself (because I'll forget about it a couple of > months from now when I do a buildworld!). I took a look the history of /usr/sys/kern/sysv_sem.c using cvsweb and it looks like there was a change which may cause problem with using patch(1) to apply to patch, but the diffs were pretty straight forward (this was the suser change for jail) so you should be able to apply the patch by hand. That appears to have been the only real change to the file since some time around the fork off of 4.0. -- Brooks -- "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one" --Thomas Jefferson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 1 18: 0:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from proxyb1.san.rr.com (proxyb1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F90614D7C for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 18:00:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from erich@ucsd.edu) Received: from ucsd.edu ([204.210.25.44]) by proxyb1.san.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 18:00:51 -0800 Message-ID: <386EB14F.435FFBE5@ucsd.edu> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 18:00:47 -0800 From: unsafe at any speed X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dt089n2c monthly run output References: <200001011330.FAA03069@dt089n2c.san.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Now I'm disappointed! This morning I was expecting to find an annual run output in my inbox, even if I have to wait another year for the centennial run output and millennial run output. :) Eric Hedstrom erich@compecon.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 2 2:52:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (UCB-Async4-CRISCO.CRIS.NET [212.110.129.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1F014C17 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 02:52:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3/UCB) id MAA64562; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 12:52:12 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 12:52:11 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: HEADS UP: GNU grep 2.3 is now in 3.4-STABLE Message-ID: <20000102125211.A62593@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> Mail-Followup-To: stable@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! /usr/bin/grep has been upgraded to GNU grep 2.3 in 3.4-STABLE. Here is the list of changes made, that could cause a breakage: o The -a option behaves differently. Prior to that, it caused `grep' to skip searching in binary files. Now, without -a option, when searching a binary file FOO, `grep' just reports `Binary file FOO matches' instead of outputting binary data. This is typically more useful than the old behavior, and it is also more consistent with other GNU utilities like `diff'. A file is considered to be binary if it contains a NUL (i.e. zero) byte. The new -a or --text option causes `grep' to assume that all input is text. (This option has the same meaning as with `diff'). Use it if you want binary data in your output. o The fts(3) library support (options -R, -H, -S and -P) has been dropped in favor of native recursive searching capabilities (options -r and -d). The -R has been made an alias to -r for backward compatibility, but was intentionally left undocumented in the manpage. Please consult the grep(1) manpage for any further details. See src/gnu/usr.bin/grep/NEWS for a full list of changes since GNU grep 2.0. Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA of the ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.247.647 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 2 10: 3:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.57.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BA40614EB3 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 10:03:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vev@michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 2911 invoked by uid 1001); 2 Jan 2000 18:03:39 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 13:03:38 -0500 (EST) X-Face: *0^4Iw) To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: booting 3.x from CD? Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm setting up a new machine. Nothing special, ABit TX5 with an intel 233, Paradise video card, 32MB ram (non-parity), 4GB Maxtor, an ATAPI 4X cdrom and a keyboard. That's it. No network, no mouse, not over clocked, nothing at all special. Both 3.2 and 3.3 CDs get to the data section and give a register dump and System halted at the bottom of the screen. 2.2.8-RELEASE boots and installs fine, it's just 3.x. I've booted and installed from the 3.2 CD many times on other hardware. CD and hard disk are masters on pri and secondary controllers (HD on pri). Anyone have any suggestions? Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net 128K ISDN: $24.95/mo or less - 56K Dialup: $17.95/mo or less at Pop4 Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 2 10:49:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27DE014D7E for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 10:49:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30668; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 19:49:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 19:49:43 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200001021849.TAA30668@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Soft-updates + INN + CNFS = good or bad? X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.4-19991219-STABLE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've asked this before on -questions and didn't get a reply. Sorry for repeating it on this list, but I don't think this is a stupid question (if it is, then someone _please_ let me know). Does it make sense to use soft-update in conjunction with INN and the news spool on CNFS? Is it good, or does it make things worse, or does it not matter at all? I _think_ that it doesn't matter, because the CNFS involves no meta data updates, but I'm really not sure. Maybe just mount it async instead? And how about INN's overview stuff? History and active files? Any hints are greately appreciated! Regards Oliver PS: In case it matters: the news server will receive a non- binary feed, i.e. it will be only moderately busy. -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 2 11:19: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (castles551.castles.com [208.214.165.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D767914A24 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 11:19:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12016; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 11:24:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200001021924.LAA12016@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Vince Vielhaber Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting 3.x from CD? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Jan 2000 13:03:38 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 11:24:17 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I'm setting up a new machine. Nothing special, ABit TX5 with an intel > 233, Paradise video card, 32MB ram (non-parity), 4GB Maxtor, an ATAPI > 4X cdrom and a keyboard. That's it. No network, no mouse, not over > clocked, nothing at all special. Both 3.2 and 3.3 CDs get to the data > section and give a register dump and System halted at the bottom of the > screen. Well, there's something wrong. (You can safely assume that in order to tell you what's wrong, you're going to have to give us that register dump.) The chances are good, however, that your BIOS is doing something silly, and you won't be able to boot FreeBSD off CDROM on that board. Can you boot from floppy? -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 2 11:44:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.57.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 436DC14F1E for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 11:44:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vev@michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 3143 invoked by uid 1001); 2 Jan 2000 19:44:34 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200001021924.LAA12016@mass.cdrom.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 14:44:34 -0500 (EST) X-Face: *0^4Iw) To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: booting 3.x from CD? Cc: stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 02-Jan-00 Mike Smith wrote: >> >> I'm setting up a new machine. Nothing special, ABit TX5 with an intel >> 233, Paradise video card, 32MB ram (non-parity), 4GB Maxtor, an ATAPI >> 4X cdrom and a keyboard. That's it. No network, no mouse, not over >> clocked, nothing at all special. Both 3.2 and 3.3 CDs get to the data >> section and give a register dump and System halted at the bottom of the >> screen. > > Well, there's something wrong. > > (You can safely assume that in order to tell you what's wrong, you're > going to have to give us that register dump.) > > The chances are good, however, that your BIOS is doing something silly, > and you won't be able to boot FreeBSD off CDROM on that board. Can you > boot from floppy? Don't have a spare floppy to put on it. I can (and did) boot 2.2.8 on it tho. Here's the register dump: int=0000000e err=00000000 efl=00010046 eip=00009548 eax=c05b302d ebx=c05bafa4 ecx=00008c08 edx=00000002 esi=c05bb000 edi=00001933 ebp=00000000 esp=0c5baf94 cs=0008 ds=0010 es=0010 fs=0010 gs=0010 ss=0010 cs:eip=ac c8 31 00 00 00 fe c9-74 0c b0 2d 80 f9 08 74 ss:esp=10 00 00 00 d8 96 00 00-18 92 00 00 00 18 00 00 System halted Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net 128K ISDN: $24.95/mo or less - 56K Dialup: $17.95/mo or less at Pop4 Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 2 11:55:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (castles551.castles.com [208.214.165.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC64614C0B; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 11:55:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12178; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 12:01:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200001022001.MAA12178@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Vince Vielhaber Cc: Mike Smith , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting 3.x from CD? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Jan 2000 14:44:34 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 12:01:03 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The chances are good, however, that your BIOS is doing something silly, > > and you won't be able to boot FreeBSD off CDROM on that board. Can you > > boot from floppy? > > Don't have a spare floppy to put on it. I can (and did) boot 2.2.8 on it > tho. Er. It'd be _really_ nice if you could make just a little effort to help us out here. > Here's the register dump: > > int=0000000e err=00000000 efl=00010046 eip=00009548 > eax=c05b302d ebx=c05bafa4 ecx=00008c08 edx=00000002 > esi=c05bb000 edi=00001933 ebp=00000000 esp=0c5baf94 > cs=0008 ds=0010 es=0010 fs=0010 gs=0010 ss=0010 > cs:eip=ac c8 31 00 00 00 fe c9-74 0c b0 2d 80 f9 08 74 > ss:esp=10 00 00 00 d8 96 00 00-18 92 00 00 00 18 00 00 > System halted Interesting. Can you tell me _exactly_ what it's output leading up to the dump? Can you hit the spacebar when the twiddly thing pauses briefly and get the boot: prompt? If you can, tell me what it prints, and then hit Enter. Please, always be as verbose as possible with your problem reports. Nobody enjoys squeezing blood from a stone, and it drastically reduces your chances of getting a useful answer. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 2 12:41:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.57.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BF00A14CC7 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 12:41:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vev@michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 3379 invoked by uid 1001); 2 Jan 2000 20:41:57 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200001022001.MAA12178@mass.cdrom.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 15:41:57 -0500 (EST) X-Face: *0^4Iw) To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: booting 3.x from CD? Cc: stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 02-Jan-00 Mike Smith wrote: >> > The chances are good, however, that your BIOS is doing something silly, >> > and you won't be able to boot FreeBSD off CDROM on that board. Can you >> > boot from floppy? >> >> Don't have a spare floppy to put on it. I can (and did) boot 2.2.8 on it >> tho. > > Er. It'd be _really_ nice if you could make just a little effort to help > us out here. You're saying I should maybe take the e-commerce server down or some other mission critical machine to take a drive out of it? If you don't want to help, don't answer. It's not like it'd be really that different from other problems I've had. > >> Here's the register dump: >> >> int=0000000e err=00000000 efl=00010046 eip=00009548 >> eax=c05b302d ebx=c05bafa4 ecx=00008c08 edx=00000002 >> esi=c05bb000 edi=00001933 ebp=00000000 esp=0c5baf94 >> cs=0008 ds=0010 es=0010 fs=0010 gs=0010 ss=0010 >> cs:eip=ac c8 31 00 00 00 fe c9-74 0c b0 2d 80 f9 08 74 >> ss:esp=10 00 00 00 d8 96 00 00-18 92 00 00 00 18 00 00 >> System halted > > Interesting. Can you tell me _exactly_ what it's output leading up to > the dump? Can you hit the spacebar when the twiddly thing pauses briefly > and get the boot: prompt? If you can, tell me what it prints, and then > hit Enter. \boot.config:-P Keyboard: yes >> Default: 0:fd(0,a)/boot/loader boot: - BTX Loader 1.00 BTX Version is 1.01 Console: internal video/keyboard BIOS drive A: is disk0 BIOS drive B: is disk1 BIOS drive C: is disk2 BIOS drive C: is disk3 <-- This does seem odd, but that's what it says. FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader, Revision 0.7 640/31744kB (jkh@cathair, Tue May 18 03:22:02 GMT 1999) Hit [Enter] to boot... <-- at this time I also hit space to catch up writing Type '?' for a list... disk0s4a:> boot /kernel text=0x1a064a data=0x2ec430+0x1f318 / Then comes the register dump I typed in in the last message. > Please, always be as verbose as possible with your problem reports. > Nobody enjoys squeezing blood from a stone, and it drastically reduces > your chances of getting a useful answer. There's not much there to give. It's not like it's failing after it probes a device. If it was I wouldn't have to put up with comments like these, I could figure it out myself. Believe me, asking questions on these lists is the least desirable thing I ever have to do with FreeBSD. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net 128K ISDN: $24.95/mo or less - 56K Dialup: $17.95/mo or less at Pop4 Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 2 12:52: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tk212017119140.teleweb.at (TK212017119140.teleweb.at [212.17.119.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F0E8014CC7 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 12:51:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from georg@tk212017119140.teleweb.at) Received: (qmail 16157 invoked by uid 503); 2 Jan 2000 20:51:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 21:51:57 +0100 From: Georg Graf To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20000102215157.B16140@tk212017119140.teleweb.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us Mail-Followup-To: stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-stable end -- Georg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 2 15:32:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.vr.IN-Berlin.DE (gnu.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8DF15164 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 15:32:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dva.in-berlin.de!balu@hirsch.in-berlin.de) Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (root@hirsch.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.6]) by mail.vr.IN-Berlin.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09436 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 00:32:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from dva.in-berlin.de!balu@hirsch.in-berlin.de) Received: by hirsch.in-berlin.de (Smail3.2) id ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 00:32:26 +0100 (CET) Received: by dva.in-berlin.de (Postfix, from userid 200) id 1E8D110E42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 00:31:17 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 00:31:17 +0100 From: Boris Staeblow To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: enabling bridge-support in rc.conf? Message-ID: <20000103003117.A24014@dva.in-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I´m missing an option in rc.conf like bridge_enable="YES" or net.link.ether.bridge should be 1 by default if the kernel-option BRIDGE is given. Or did I overlook something? Boris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 2 17:44:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.uniserve.com (mail2.uniserve.com [204.244.156.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654F914BED for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 17:44:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca ([204.244.186.218]) by mail2.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 3.03 #4) id 124wX6-000DLA-00; Sun, 02 Jan 2000 17:43:40 -0800 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 17:43:35 -0800 (PST) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Oliver Fromme Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Soft-updates + INN + CNFS = good or bad? In-Reply-To: <200001021849.TAA30668@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Oliver Fromme wrote: > Hi, > > I've asked this before on -questions and didn't get a reply. > Sorry for repeating it on this list, but I don't think this is > a stupid question (if it is, then someone _please_ let me > know). Softupdates is only an a benefit when creating, or removing directories or files. Tom Uniserve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 2 18:54:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FAC714D0F for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 18:54:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25269 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 18:54:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 18:54:43 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: GNU grep 2.3 is now in 3.4-STABLE Message-ID: <20000102185443.B24637@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000102125211.A62593@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: <20000102125211.A62593@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 12:52:11PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > Here is the list of changes made, that could cause a breakage: > > o The -a option behaves differently. Prior to that, it caused `grep' to > skip searching in binary files. Now, without -a option, when searching > a binary file FOO, `grep' just reports `Binary file FOO matches' instead > of outputting binary data. This is typically more useful than the old > behavior, and it is also more consistent with other GNU utilities like > `diff'. A file is considered to be binary if it contains a NUL (i.e. > zero) byte. The new -a or --text option causes `grep' to assume that > all input is text. (This option has the same meaning as with `diff'). > Use it if you want binary data in your output. The down side of this is if you used to use ``grep -al'' to only get a list of text files with hits, you can not duplicate this behavior with GNU grep 2.3. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 2 19:39:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.portal2.com (ns1.portal2.com [203.85.226.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C8CBA14C01 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 19:39:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yusufg@outblaze.com) Received: (qmail 1269 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2000 03:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO yusufg.portal2.com) (203.85.226.249) by ns1.portal2.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2000 03:37:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 11526 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jan 2000 03:39:33 -0000 Date: 3 Jan 2000 03:39:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20000103033933.11525.qmail@yusufg.portal2.com> From: Yusuf Goolamabbas To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Error whilst doing make installworld on todays stable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi I cvsuped to -stable a short while ago and whilst doing a make installworld, got the following error ===> games/larn (cd /usr/src/games/larn/datfiles; install -c -o root -g games -m 444 larnmaze larnopts larn.help /usr/share/games/larn) install -c -o root -g games -m 660 /dev/null /var/games/larn/lscore12.0 install -c -o root -g games -m 660 /dev/null /var/games/larn/llog12.0 install -c -s -o root -g games -m 550 larn /usr/games/hide (cd //usr/games; rm -f larn; ln -s dm larn; chown games:bin larn) rm: larn: is a directory *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. Any ideas on what went wrong, Regards, Yusuf -- Yusuf Goolamabbas yusufg@outblaze.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 2:25:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de (1-126.K.dial.o-tel-o.net [212.144.1.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E5015188; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 02:25:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from se@zpr.uni-koeln.de) Received: by dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de (Postfix, from userid 200) id A54B6E3F; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 11:27:24 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 11:27:23 +0100 From: Stefan Esser To: MULLER Miklos Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Stefan Esser Subject: Re: Obtaining CTM deltas Message-ID: <20000103112723.A1520@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de> Reply-To: se@freebsd.org References: <200001011753.SAA01269@gcs.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200001011753.SAA01269@gcs.hu>; from mmuller@gcs.hu on Sat, Jan 01, 2000 at 06:53:09PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2000-01-01 18:53 +0100, MULLER Miklos wrote: > "18.3.2.3. Starting off with CTM for the first time > > ... > > Ok i have a release 3.0 and a release 3.3. CD, i unpack all the sources, > say from the 3.3 release cd. > Then how do i figure out which will be my starting delta? > i can figure out the last modification time in the source tree > and use deltas from the next day, but i'm not convinced, that this > is the right way to do it. I use CTM to update my CVS repository, but I guess the following also applies to the case of CTM deltas based on source files: You have to find the first CTM delta, that contains modifications that had not been tagged for the release you want to start from. (CTM generation and tagging are not synchronized, but you may be able to identify a small number of CTM files, based on the release date and files that tend to be touched last.) That CTM delta contains segments, that have to be applied to your CVS tree. Problem is, it probably also contains segments that are based on the previous version of a file (i.e. your CD already has the new version) and CTM will complain because of a mismatch of pre-edit hashes. The solution (and that's what I have been using for more than a year, but forgot to submit it to PHK) is to make CTM accept the new hash of a file (and ignore the segment that obviously has been applied before). There is an "... already applied" message for each file that already had the new MD5, but I decided to make this feature not depend on the "Force" option. I have been working with this for more than a year (probably more than two). The reason to modify CTM was that I had suffered from partially applied CTM deltas for a time, and just wanted to be able to continue without editing the delta to account for the already applied segments. Regards, STefan Index: /usr/src/usr.sbin/ctm/ctm_pass2.c =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/usr.sbin/ctm/ctm/ctm_pass2.c,v retrieving revision 1.17 diff -u -2 -r1.17 ctm_pass2.c --- ctm/ctm_pass2.c 1999/08/28 01:16:00 1.17 +++ ctm/ctm_pass2.c 2000/01/03 09:55:50 @@ -155,5 +155,10 @@ fprintf(stderr," %s: %s md5 mismatch.\n", sp->Key,name); - if(j & CTM_Q_MD5_Force) { + GETFIELDCOPY(md5,sep); + if(md5 != NULL && strcmp(tmp,md5) == 0) { + fprintf(stderr," %s: %s already applied.\n", + sp->Key,name); + match = CTM_FILTER_DISABLE; + } else if(j & CTM_Q_MD5_Force) { if(Force) fprintf(stderr," Can and will force.\n"); @@ -166,7 +171,8 @@ } break; - } - if(j & CTM_Q_MD5_After) { - GETFIELDCOPY(md5,sep); + } else if(j & CTM_Q_MD5_After) { + if(md5 == NULL) { + GETFIELDCOPY(md5,sep); + } break; } To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 2:53:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (UCB-Async4-CRISCO.CRIS.NET [212.110.129.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B3614D61; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 02:53:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3/UCB) id MAA01426; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:53:21 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:53:21 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: "David O'Brien" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: GNU grep 2.3 is now in 3.4-STABLE Message-ID: <20000103125321.A99904@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> Mail-Followup-To: David O'Brien , stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000102125211.A62593@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> <20000102185443.B24637@relay.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <20000102185443.B24637@relay.nuxi.com>; from David O'Brien on Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 06:54:43PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 06:54:43PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 12:52:11PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > Here is the list of changes made, that could cause a breakage: > > > > o The -a option behaves differently. Prior to that, it caused `grep' to > > skip searching in binary files. Now, without -a option, when searching > > a binary file FOO, `grep' just reports `Binary file FOO matches' instead > > of outputting binary data. This is typically more useful than the old > > behavior, and it is also more consistent with other GNU utilities like > > `diff'. A file is considered to be binary if it contains a NUL (i.e. > > zero) byte. The new -a or --text option causes `grep' to assume that > > all input is text. (This option has the same meaning as with `diff'). > > Use it if you want binary data in your output. > > The down side of this is if you used to use ``grep -al'' to only get a > list of text files with hits, you can not duplicate this behavior with > GNU grep 2.3. > But you can still skip directories from matching with --directories=skip (or `-d skip' in short form). -- Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA of the ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.247.647 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 4:25:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dozer.skynet.be (dozer.skynet.be [195.238.2.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2508C14E70 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 04:25:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by dozer.skynet.be (8.9.3/odie-relay-v1.0) with ESMTP id NAA09428; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:25:26 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@foxbert.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200001021849.TAA30668@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> References: <200001021849.TAA30668@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:27:01 +0100 To: Oliver Fromme , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: Soft-updates + INN + CNFS = good or bad? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 7:49 PM +0100 2000/1/2, Oliver Fromme wrote: > I've asked this before on -questions and didn't get a reply. > Sorry for repeating it on this list, but I don't think this is > a stupid question (if it is, then someone _please_ let me > know). I would tend to think that -questions would be the best place for things like this, but if you didn't get an answer there, then I would think that following up to -stable is okay, too. However, if I'm wrong (and I probably am), I'm sure someone will correct me. Other useful resources would be comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc and news.software.nntp. In fact, I would tend to think that news.software.nntp would be the best place to ask a question like this, since it deals more with the implementation of INN on a softupdates-enabled machine than it does with FreeBSD in particular. While I'm sure there are INN-knowledgeable people here who can help, I'm equally certain that there are FreeBSD-knowledgeable people there. > Does it make sense to use soft-update in conjunction with INN > and the news spool on CNFS? Is it good, or does it make things > worse, or does it not matter at all? Generally speaking, although softupdates should be pretty stable and usable in most instances, I prefer not to use things I don't need to, and with CNFS you shouldn't need softupdates -- all the synchronous meta-data updates that softupdates would help you sort out instead get eliminated completely by having a number of large files that get multiple articles written to them, and the large files always stay open, so even they don't have any synchronouse meta-data updates. > I _think_ that it doesn't matter, because the CNFS involves no > meta data updates, but I'm really not sure. Maybe just mount > it async instead? Personally, I wouldn't take the risk of mounting any of my filesystems async, unless it was a separate /tmp filesystem where I could not afford to instead make it a memory-based filesystem (mfs). > And how about INN's overview stuff? History and active files? Overview might or might not benefit from softupdates, I don't know. In particular, I think it would depend on the version of INN you'd be installing, and how the overview is implemented. I don't think it would make a difference with history or active files, since again they're typically kept open and constantly updated, instead of being opened and closed and re-opened again, thus creating lots of synchronous meta-data operations that softupdates could help you solve. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ____________________________________________________________________ |o| Brad Knowles, Belgacom Skynet NV/SA |o| |o| Systems Architect, News & FTP Admin Rue Col. Bourg, 124 |o| |o| Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.11.11/12.49 B-1140 Brussels |o| |o| http://www.skynet.be Belgium |o| \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Unix is like a wigwam -- no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside. Unix is very user-friendly. It's just picky who its friends are. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 7:42:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0001C152AD for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 07:42:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31990; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 16:42:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 16:42:04 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200001031542.QAA31990@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: enabling bridge-support in rc.conf? X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable In-Reply-To: <84onfn$903$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.4-19991219-STABLE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Boris Staeblow wrote in list.freebsd-stable: > I´m missing an option in rc.conf like bridge_enable="YES" > or net.link.ether.bridge should be 1 by default if the > kernel-option BRIDGE is given. This is how I do it: cd /usr/local/etc/rc.d echo "#!/bin/sh -" > bridge.sh echo "sysctl -w net.link.ether.bridge=1" >> bridge.sh chmod 755 bridge.sh Personally I don't think every sysctl know should have an equivalent entry in rc.conf, although bridging might be common and important enough to warrant one. After all, there's one for IP forwarding, too. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 8:54:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19791522D for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 08:54:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA62821; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 09:54:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA36874; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 09:54:14 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200001031654.JAA36874@harmony.village.org> To: Oliver Fromme Subject: Re: enabling bridge-support in rc.conf? Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Jan 2000 16:42:04 +0100." <200001031542.QAA31990@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> References: <200001031542.QAA31990@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 09:54:14 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200001031542.QAA31990@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Oliver Fromme writes: : This is how I do it: : : cd /usr/local/etc/rc.d : echo "#!/bin/sh -" > bridge.sh : echo "sysctl -w net.link.ether.bridge=1" >> bridge.sh : chmod 755 bridge.sh : : Personally I don't think every sysctl know should have an : equivalent entry in rc.conf, although bridging might be : common and important enough to warrant one. After all, : there's one for IP forwarding, too. /etc/sysctl.conf would do the same thing. adding net.link.ether.bridge=1 to /etc/sysctl.conf will give you the same functionality. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 9:27:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.vnet.net (smtp2.vnet.net [166.82.1.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8975D14F58 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 09:27:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: from dignus.com (ponds.vnet.net [166.82.177.48]) by smtp2.vnet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA29611 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:27:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from lakes.dignus.com (lakes.dignus.com [10.0.0.3]) by dignus.com (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03683 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:27:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes.dignus.com (8.9.3/8.6.9) id MAA12338 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:27:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:27:07 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <200001031727.MAA12338@lakes.dignus.com> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 3.4 CD's shipping? Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well - it's been a while since the 3.4 freeze, I was wondering if the 3.4 CDs are shipping yet as mine hasn't arrived. Has anyone gotten there's? - Thanks - - Dave Rivers - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 10:14:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (ric-40.freedomnet.com [198.240.105.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948E91522A for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:14:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18154; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:14:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200001031814.NAA18154@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200001031727.MAA12338@lakes.dignus.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 13:14:01 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Thomas David Rivers Subject: RE: 3.4 CD's shipping? Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 03-Jan-00 Thomas David Rivers wrote: > > Well - it's been a while since the 3.4 freeze, I was wondering > if the 3.4 CDs are shipping yet as mine hasn't arrived. > Has anyone gotten there's? Nope, it usually takes at least a month after release for the CD's to start shipping to subscription customers in my experience, and the holiday season might delay the 3.4-CD's even further. > - Thanks - > - Dave Rivers - -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 10:37:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.javanet.com (mail1.javanet.com [205.219.162.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4FA14C18 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:37:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from media@mail1.nai.net) Received: from [209.150.39.147] (ct-hartford-hiper2271.javanet.com [209.150.39.147]) by mail1.javanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA25631 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:37:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:37:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200001021849.TAA30668@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> <200001021849.TAA30668@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: media@mail1.nai.net Subject: (OT?) best mouse for Intel box? Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Forgive me if this is off topic, I'm looking for a better mouse for a 133 Pentium that someone gave me. Other people gave me the keyboard, mouse, monitor, and modem. The entire system is a testament to human genorousity. It now has a Compaq PS/2 mouse. Not to look a gift mouse in the mouth, but compared to the rodent rolling next to my Mac, it's a piece of crap. The computer runs both FreeBSD (a type of Unix) and Windows 95 (a complete clusterfuck). While I prefer an interface designed for a one-button mouse, a three-button mouse would be better for those operating systems. I've had trouble with this PS/2 mouse under FreeBSD, and it has been suggested that I get a serial port mouse. Can a serial port mouse work with Windows 95?? I want a smooth, heavy, mouse with rounded edges that feel good in my hand. I do not want a flimsy piece of crap. Any suggestions for a three-button serial mouse?? Where's a good place to buy mice?? THANX!! PEACE OUT :) MARK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 10:45:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66B214C40 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:45:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA03109; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:45:14 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda03103; Mon Jan 3 10:44:57 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA65024; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:44:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdT65022; Mon Jan 3 10:44:38 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA57333; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:44:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200001031844.KAA57333@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdE57324; Mon Jan 3 10:43:41 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: media@mail1.nai.net Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: (OT?) best mouse for Intel box? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Jan 2000 13:37:39 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 10:43:40 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Don't waste our time here. Take your question to freebsd-questions! Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Sun/DEC Team, UNIX Group Internet: Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca ITSD Province of BC "e**(i*pi)+1=0" In message , media@mail1.nai.net writes : > Forgive me if this is off topic, I'm looking for a better mouse for a 133 > Pentium that someone gave me. Other people gave me the keyboard, mouse, > monitor, and modem. The entire system is a testament to human genorousity. > > It now has a Compaq PS/2 mouse. Not to look a gift mouse in the mouth, but > compared to the rodent rolling next to my Mac, it's a piece of crap. > > The computer runs both FreeBSD (a type of Unix) and Windows 95 (a complete > clusterfuck). While I prefer an interface designed for a one-button mouse, > a three-button mouse would be better for those operating systems. > > I've had trouble with this PS/2 mouse under FreeBSD, and it has been > suggested that I get a serial port mouse. Can a serial port mouse work > with Windows 95?? > > I want a smooth, heavy, mouse with rounded edges that feel good in my hand. > I do not want a flimsy piece of crap. Any suggestions for a three-button > serial mouse?? Where's a good place to buy mice?? > > THANX!! > > PEACE OUT :) > MARK > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 10:49: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from luna.lyris.net (luna.shelby.com [207.90.155.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7376314C93 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:49:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kip@lyris.com) Received: from luna.shelby.com by luna.lyris.net (8.9.1b+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id KAA06604; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:48:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from (luna.shelby.com [207.90.155.6]) by luna.shelby.com with SMTP (MailShield v1.50); Mon, 03 Jan 2000 10:48:46 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:48:42 -0800 (PST) From: Kip Macy To: media@mail1.nai.net Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: (OT?) best mouse for Intel box? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-SMTP-HELO: luna X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kip@lyris.com X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: media@mail1.nai.net,freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: luna.shelby.com [207.90.155.6] Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I want a smooth, heavy, mouse with rounded edges that feel good in my hand. > I do not want a flimsy piece of crap. Any suggestions for a three-button > serial mouse?? Where's a good place to buy mice?? > serial works everywhere. The latest optical intellimouse from M$ is reasonably nice. Kingston makes some nice mice. You should be able to find them online all over the place. Start at www.cnet.com. -Kpi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 11:39: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from meson.nuc.net (meson.nuc.net [204.49.61.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F9B14C40 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 11:39:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jaime@ecofl.com) Received: from electron (dhcp1.ecofl.com [204.49.118.32]) by meson.nuc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA54617 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 11:08:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jaime@ecofl.com) From: "Jaime Bozza" To: Subject: Adaptec RAIDport II/III Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 11:03:09 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I searched the archives but could not find a real definitive answer. Adaptec onboard U2W and UW controllers have an optional RAIDport card. Is this card (feature) supported with FreeBSD? From the archives, I see that the AAA-131 controller RAID functions are not supported, but do the RAIDport cards fall under the same category? Thanks, Jaime Bozza EnterComp of Florida, LLP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 11:47:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from p1fed3.frb.org (p1fed3.frb.org [151.198.183.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40EC415130 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 11:47:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from seth@freebie.dp.ny.frb.org) Received: by p1fed3.frb.org; id OAA02586; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:47:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001031947.OAA02586@p1fed3.frb.org> Received: from (10.0.0.1) by p1fed3.frb.org via smap (3.2) id xma002556; Mon, 3 Jan 00 14:47:38 -0500 Received: by relay2.frb.org; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by relay.frb.org; Mon, 3 Jan 00 14:47:23 -0500 Received: by mail.frb.org; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:46:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 14:47:21 -0500 From: Seth Subject: login.conf capabilities? To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I know that some of the capabilities listed in login.conf(5) aren't implemented in -STABLE yet. Does anyone have a list of the ones that ARE implemented (or can anyone point me to the correct resource)? I can't seem to get minpasswordlen and passwordtime working. Thanks, SB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 12: 6:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ktts.kharkov.ua (ktts.kharkov.ua [193.124.57.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B70514C3E for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:06:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tosh@assa.vl.net.ua) Received: from assa.vl.net.ua (assa.vl.net.ua [193.124.76.15]) by ktts.kharkov.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29373 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:04:03 +0200 (EET) Received: from assa ([192.168.1.1]) by assa.vl.net.ua with esmtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 125Dhs-0005zo-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:03:57 +0200 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:03:56 +0200 (EET) From: Anton X-Sender: tosh@assa To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: performance Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hello! is there any information about performance of fbsd-* ? what about comparation fbsd vs linux? ; can such questions by discussed in this maillist? anton. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 12:22: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dozer.skynet.be (dozer.skynet.be [195.238.2.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D66C152AE for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:21:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by dozer.skynet.be (8.9.3/odie-relay-v1.0) with ESMTP id VAA01582; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 21:21:45 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@foxbert.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 21:21:24 +0100 To: Anton , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: performance Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:03 PM +0200 2000/1/3, Anton wrote: > is there any information about performance of fbsd-* ? > what about comparation fbsd vs linux? In what aspect? Filesystems? Raw CPU performance? Network performance? When heavily loaded or lightly loaded? Total amount of work that can be done or fixed amount of workload for least impact on the CPU? There are far too many variables to consider to contemplate beginning to answer this question. > can such questions by discussed in this maillist? Questions like this should really be addressed to -questions. If the questions are too complex for them to answer there, they'll be glad to redirect you to the appropriate FreeBSD-related mailing list. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ____________________________________________________________________ |o| Brad Knowles, Belgacom Skynet NV/SA |o| |o| Systems Architect, News & FTP Admin Rue Col. Bourg, 124 |o| |o| Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.11.11/12.49 B-1140 Brussels |o| |o| http://www.skynet.be Belgium |o| \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Unix is like a wigwam -- no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside. Unix is very user-friendly. It's just picky who its friends are. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 12:35:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16B714D34 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:35:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00089; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:34:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:34:56 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: Thomas David Rivers Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.4 CD's shipping? Message-ID: <20000103123456.B26034@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <200001031727.MAA12338@lakes.dignus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <200001031727.MAA12338@lakes.dignus.com>; from rivers@dignus.com on Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 12:27:07PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 12:27:07PM -0500, Thomas David Rivers wrote: > > Well - it's been a while since the 3.4 freeze, I was wondering > if the 3.4 CDs are shipping yet as mine hasn't arrived. > Has anyone gotten there's? I got my order processed notice this morning. I'd usually assume they will ship soon. -- Brooks -- "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one" --Thomas Jefferson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 12:35:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (port-2-24.adsl.one.net [216.23.21.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC6B14C87 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:35:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18635 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:37:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:37:53 -0500 From: Coleman Kane To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: (OT?) best mouse for Intel box? Message-ID: <20000103153753.A15886@evil.2y.net> References: <200001021849.TAA30668@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> <200001021849.TAA30668@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from media@mail1.nai.net on Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 01:39:20PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I really, really like the Logitec TrackMan Marble, too bad they don't make them anymore. They have been replaced with Trackman Marble+, with the 'wheel' functioning as a third button. The wheel is rather difficult to use as a frequently used button because of it's placement and resistance. If you really like the mouse, Logitec's FirstMouse+ can be found for about $25 at any geek shop. --cokane media@mail1.nai.net had the audacity to say: > Forgive me if this is off topic, I'm looking for a better mouse for a 133 > Pentium that someone gave me. Other people gave me the keyboard, mouse, > monitor, and modem. The entire system is a testament to human genorousity. > > It now has a Compaq PS/2 mouse. Not to look a gift mouse in the mouth, but > compared to the rodent rolling next to my Mac, it's a piece of crap. > > The computer runs both FreeBSD (a type of Unix) and Windows 95 (a complete > clusterfuck). While I prefer an interface designed for a one-button mouse, > a three-button mouse would be better for those operating systems. > > I've had trouble with this PS/2 mouse under FreeBSD, and it has been > suggested that I get a serial port mouse. Can a serial port mouse work > with Windows 95?? > > I want a smooth, heavy, mouse with rounded edges that feel good in my hand. > I do not want a flimsy piece of crap. Any suggestions for a three-button > serial mouse?? Where's a good place to buy mice?? > > THANX!! > > PEACE OUT :) > MARK > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 12:53:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server.amis.net (server.amis.net [212.18.32.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E2A14CA4 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:53:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blaz@gold.amis.net) Received: from gold.amis.net (gold.amis.net [212.18.37.254]) by server.amis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9AE4D5C1C for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 21:53:35 +0100 (CET) Received: by gold.amis.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 631AF1360C; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 21:53:35 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 21:53:34 +0100 (CET) From: Blaz Zupan To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: UPDATING is stale? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The file src/UPDATING seems to be only maintained in -current. Should it be removed from -stable? Blaz Zupan, blaz@amis.net, http://home.amis.net/blaz/ Medinet d.o.o., Linhartova 21, 2000 Maribor, Slovenia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 12:54:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01879151BB for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:54:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA06849; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:53:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ken) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:53:46 -0700 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Jaime Bozza Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec RAIDport II/III Message-ID: <20000103135346.A6812@panzer.kdm.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from jaime@ecofl.com on Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 11:03:09AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 11:03:09 -0600, Jaime Bozza wrote: > I searched the archives but could not find a real definitive answer. > > Adaptec onboard U2W and UW controllers have an optional RAIDport card. Is > this card (feature) supported with FreeBSD? From the archives, I see that > the AAA-131 controller RAID functions are not supported, but do the RAIDport > cards fall under the same category? Nope, the RAIDport cards aren't supported. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 13: 2:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99651500D for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:02:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA63820; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:02:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA38752; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:02:11 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200001032102.OAA38752@harmony.village.org> To: Blaz Zupan Subject: Re: UPDATING is stale? Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Jan 2000 21:53:34 +0100." References: Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 14:02:11 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Blaz Zupan writes: : The file src/UPDATING seems to be only maintained in -current. Should it : be removed from -stable? Yes. I've had permission from jkh to do this for a while now, but have been too lazy. Will deal presently. Wrner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 13:19:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tricord.system.pl (tricord.system.pl [195.205.185.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44AC515201 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:19:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from saper@system.pl) Received: from localhost (saper@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tricord.system.pl (SYSTEM Internet) with ESMTP id WAA07628 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:20:01 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:19:58 +0100 (MET) From: Marcin Cieslak To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UPDATING is stale? In-Reply-To: <200001032102.OAA38752@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > : The file src/UPDATING seems to be only maintained in -current. Should it > : be removed from -stable? > > Yes. I've had permission from jkh to do this for a while now, but > have been too lazy. Will deal presently. Will it be removed or maintained? -- << Marcin Cieslak // saper@system.pl >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- SYSTEM Internet Provider http://www.system.pl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 13:22:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D45C14F41 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:22:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA63904; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:22:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA39028; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:22:29 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200001032122.OAA39028@harmony.village.org> To: Marcin Cieslak Subject: Re: UPDATING is stale? Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Jan 2000 22:19:58 +0100." References: Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 14:22:29 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Marcin Cieslak writes: : Will it be removed or maintained? Removed. The two different people that volunteered to tkeep it up to date dropped the ball, so it is being removed. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 13:40:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tricord.system.pl (tricord.system.pl [195.205.185.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3754F152AA for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:40:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from saper@system.pl) Received: from localhost (saper@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tricord.system.pl (SYSTEM Internet) with ESMTP id WAA08304 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:40:19 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:40:14 +0100 (MET) From: Marcin Cieslak To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: RE: multi-level categories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My opinion is that, the ports tree should be kept as-is (are some directories overloaded?) and perhaps there should be some hierarchy added only for casual browsing (consisting only of README.html files or other indices). -- << Marcin Cieslak // saper@system.pl >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- SYSTEM Internet Provider http://www.system.pl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 14:30:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alcanet.com.au (border.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2410714FA5 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:30:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <40327>; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:23:12 +1100 Content-return: prohibited From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: sem_otime not updated? In-reply-to: <386E0EB2.C4C45660@bellatlantic.net>; from walterr@bellatlantic.net on Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 01:20:17AM +1100 To: Tony Rentschler Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <00Jan4.092312est.40327@border.alcanet.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <386E0EB2.C4C45660@bellatlantic.net> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:23:12 +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2000-Jan-02 01:20:17 +1100, Tony Rentschler wrote: >I'm writing a program that uses a SysV semaphore, and it seems that the >sem_otime field of the semid_ds struct is not updated after a call to >semop. Amongst lots of other buglets :-(. >In a search of deja.com for sem_otime, I found a patch posted by Peter >Jeremy on 6/4/99, but, as far as I can tell, that's for CURRENT. This was submitted as PR kern/12014, but nothing further has been done with it. One problem with the PR is that I don't have a test suite that clearly demonstrates that my patches fix the problems. (I did start working on suitable tests, but ran out of enthusiasm :-(. The patched code _is_ running on one of the machines here). The only difference between -stable and -current is the type of the first argument to ipcperm() - and my patches predate this change in -current. Whilst my patches don't cleanly apply to -stable, the changes should be minimal. If any committers have an interest in getting the semaphore handling to work correctly, I'd be happy to work with them. Peter -- Peter Jeremy (VK2PJ) peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au Alcatel Australia Limited 41 Mandible St Phone: +61 2 9690 5019 ALEXANDRIA NSW 2015 Fax: +61 2 9690 5982 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 14:42:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C5314EE1 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:42:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05502; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:42:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200001032242.PAA05502@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: 3.4 CD's shipping? In-Reply-To: <200001031727.MAA12338@lakes.dignus.com> from Thomas David Rivers at "Jan 3, 0 12:27:07 pm" To: rivers@dignus.com (Thomas David Rivers) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:41:59 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Thomas David Rivers wrote: > Well - it's been a while since the 3.4 freeze, I was wondering > if the 3.4 CDs are shipping yet as mine hasn't arrived. > Has anyone gotten there's? Walnut Creek sent me e-mail notification this morning that mine had shipped. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 14:46:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.itga.com.au (ns.itga.com.au [202.53.40.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C6914D59; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:46:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by ns.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08469; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:46:11 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by lightning.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26513; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:46:11 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <200001032246.JAA26513@lightning.itga.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 From: Gregory Bond To: ports@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: [Patch] hylafax port stats not Y2K Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 09:46:10 +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hylafax 4.0.2 on freeBSD 3.4-STABLE. The stats reporting from hylafax is not y2k-safe. Patch follows. doorman## diff -u xferstats.orig xferstats --- xferstats.orig Wed May 12 00:36:05 1999 +++ xferstats Tue Jan 4 09:43:46 2000 @@ -186,7 +186,9 @@ # function cvtDateTime(s) { - yday = substr(s,7,2)*365 + substr(s,4,2) - 1; + y = substr(s,7,2); + if ( y < 50) y += 100; + yday = y*365 + substr(s,4,2) - 1; mon = substr(s,0,2) + 0; for (i = 0; i < mon; i++) yday += daysInMonth[i]; To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 14:47:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D047F152AF for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:47:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05572; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:47:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200001032247.PAA05572@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: 3.4 CD's shipping? In-Reply-To: <200001032242.PAA05502@freeway.dcfinc.com> from "Chad R. Larson" at "Jan 3, 0 03:41:59 pm" To: chad@dcfinc.com Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:47:02 -0700 (MST) Cc: rivers@dignus.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@dcfinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Chad R. Larson wrote: > As I recall, Thomas David Rivers wrote: > > Well - it's been a while since the 3.4 freeze, I was wondering > > if the 3.4 CDs are shipping yet as mine hasn't arrived. > > Has anyone gotten there's? > > Walnut Creek sent me e-mail notification this morning that mine had > shipped. Ooops! Sorry about that. The e-mail said the subscription had been =processed=. Not quite the same thing a shipped. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 14:57:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF6F314CF2 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:57:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06704; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:56:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: chad@DCFinc.com Cc: rivers@dignus.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.4 CD's shipping? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Jan 2000 15:47:02 MST." <200001032247.PAA05572@freeway.dcfinc.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 14:56:54 -0800 Message-ID: <6701.946940214@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Ooops! Sorry about that. The e-mail said the subscription had been > =processed=. Not quite the same thing a shipped. Not to worry, we only process subscriptions on the day(s) that they can be shipped. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 17:26: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sabre.velocet.net (sabre.velocet.net [198.96.118.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3B214BCD for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 17:25:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dgilbert@trooper.velocet.net) Received: from trooper.velocet.net (trooper.velocet.net [216.126.82.226]) by sabre.velocet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72929137FB7 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 20:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from dgilbert@localhost) by trooper.velocet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07622; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 20:25:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dgilbert) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14449.19491.835097.207225@trooper.velocet.net> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 20:25:55 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: isc-dhcpd doesn't deliver option-128 --- known bug? X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've found that the isc-dhcpd server (in /usr/ports, version 2.x) doesn't deliver the option-128 (which is required to specify swap to a netbooting FreeBSD kernel). Version 3.x (in beta) works correctly in this respect. Is this a known problem, or should we be making this known to isc.org? The documentation (in man dhcpd-options) makes it clear that the "options option-128 "/path/to/swapfile";" should deliver the right data. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Velocet Communications. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dgilbert@velocet.net | equal if and only if they | |http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 17:58:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lunatic.oneinsane.net (lunatic.oneinsane.net [207.113.133.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 212E914CAA for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 17:58:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net) Received: by lunatic.oneinsane.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 495E8197; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 17:58:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 17:58:09 -0800 From: Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Perl... Message-ID: <20000103175809.A80262@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Reply-To: Ron Rosson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD lunatic.oneinsane.net 3.4-STABLE X-Moon: The Moon is Waning Crescent (7% of Full) X-Opinion: What you read here is my IMHO X-Disclaimer: I am a firm believer in RTFM X-WWW: http://www.oneinsane.net X-PGP-KEY: http://www.oneinsane.net/~insane/insane2-pgp5i.txt X-Uptime: 5:54PM up 13 days, 20:41, 2 users, load averages: 0.05, 0.03, 0.00 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am just starting to learn perl. IF this is the wrong place to ask this question I apologize. I have been keeping up with STABLE for awhile but just recently installed FreeBSD on mynew laptop with PAO. I have a few simple perl scripts that do little things to get info for the laptop to configure to when it comes up on dhcp. Here is the error I get on it when I run a simple perl script. The Script runs but I want to get rid of the warnings. insane-mental> whereami perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LC_ALL = (unset), LC_CTYPE = "en_US", LANG = (unset) are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). mental.n2.net I have read the setlocale man page and I still do not get it. I live in the united states and speak only english. So nothing fancy. TIA -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... The InSaNe One rm -rf * insane@oneinsane.net and all was /dev/null and *void() ------------------------------------------------------------------- Adolescence, n.: The stage between puberty and adultery. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 19:30:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.vr.IN-Berlin.DE (gnu.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C7715128 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 19:30:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dva.in-berlin.de!balu@hirsch.in-berlin.de) Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (root@hirsch.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.6]) by mail.vr.IN-Berlin.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26493 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 04:30:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from dva.in-berlin.de!balu@hirsch.in-berlin.de) Received: by hirsch.in-berlin.de (Smail3.2) id ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 04:30:32 +0100 (CET) Received: by dva.in-berlin.de (Postfix, from userid 200) id A4A5010E6A; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 03:31:07 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 03:31:07 +0100 From: Boris Staeblow To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: enabling bridge-support in rc.conf? Message-ID: <20000104033107.A77947@dva.in-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Warner Losh wrote: >/etc/sysctl.conf would do the same thing. adding > net.link.ether.bridge=1 >to /etc/sysctl.conf will give you the same functionality. /etc/sysctl.conf is not a -STABLE feature. But why do I have to sysctl at all? I believe a newbie to Freebsd assumes that the kernel-option BRIDGE should be enought to enable such functionality! Therefore net.link.ether.bridge should be 1 by default - or at least selectable by rc.conf. (like it is done for IP Forwarding) Boris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 3 22:26: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8976014CDE for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:26:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA08443; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 00:26:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-73.max1.wa.cyberlynk.net(207.227.118.73) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma008441; Tue Jan 4 00:25:54 2000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000104002546.0143b730@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 00:25:46 -0600 To: Coleman Kane , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: (OT?) best mouse for Intel box? In-Reply-To: <20000103153753.A15886@evil.2y.net> References: <200001021849.TAA30668@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> <200001021849.TAA30668@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 03:37 PM 1/3/00 -0500, Coleman Kane wrote: >I really, really like the Logitec TrackMan Marble, too bad they don't make them >anymore. They have been replaced with Trackman Marble+, with the 'wheel' >functioning as a third button. The wheel is rather difficult to use as a >frequently used button because of it's placement and resistance. If you really >like the mouse, Logitec's FirstMouse+ can be found for about $25 at any geek >shop. Death to mice IMO. Also on the RIP list is the Vista, which might (have) be(en) better for those less coordinated with their thumb. Rather wish the Marble and the Vista stuck around. Use a M$ 2 button serial when I tinker with X every now and again, since I can't find a decent trackball. Without a damn wheel. To be fair a serial backup mouse is handy. .02 Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve '86 Yamaha MaxiumX (not FBSD powered) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 1:50:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from plab.ku.dk (plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532A8150C5 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 01:50:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tobez@plab.ku.dk) Received: (from tobez@localhost) by plab.ku.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA62674; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:51:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from tobez) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:51:49 +0100 From: Anton Berezin To: "Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Perl... Message-ID: <20000104105149.A62107@plab.ku.dk> References: <20000103175809.A80262@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <20000103175809.A80262@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 05:58:09PM -0800, Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson wrote: This is probably more appropriate for -questions. > Here is the error I get on it when I run a simple perl script. The > Script runs but I want to get rid of the warnings. > perl: warning: Setting locale failed. > perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: > LC_ALL = (unset), > LC_CTYPE = "en_US", > LANG = (unset) > are supported and installed on your system. > perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). Set LC_CTYPE in your environment to "en_US.ISO_8859-1" instead of "en_US" and enjoy. Alternatively, do not `use locale;' in your script. Cheers, -- Anton Berezin The Protein Laboratory, University of Copenhagen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 4:13:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cip12.melaten.rwth-aachen.de (cip12.melaten.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.92.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02167150B8 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 04:13:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tg@melaten.rwth-aachen.de) Received: (from tg@localhost) by cip12.melaten.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10304; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 13:18:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from tg@melaten.rwth-aachen.de) X-Authentication-Warning: cip12.melaten.rwth-aachen.de: tg set sender to tg@melaten.rwth-aachen.de using -f To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: HEADS UP: major number for libc_r bumped From: Thomas Gellekum Date: 04 Jan 2000 13:18:02 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 9 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Moin, due to some interface changes (different internal layout of pthread_t, POSIX compliant implementation of pthread_rwlockattr_setpshared()) I had to increase the major number of libc_r.so. Please relink or recompile applications that depend on it. tg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 7:30:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pcnet1.pcnet.com (pcnet1.pcnet.com [204.213.232.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7993C1525C for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 07:30:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eischen@vigrid.com) Received: (from eischen@localhost) by pcnet1.pcnet.com (8.8.7/PCNet) id KAA06816; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:30:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:30:41 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Eischen Message-Id: <200001041530.KAA06816@pcnet1.pcnet.com> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, tg@melaten.rwth-aachen.de Subject: Re: HEADS UP: major number for libc_r bumped Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thomas Gellekum wrote: > due to some interface changes (different internal layout of pthread_t, > POSIX compliant implementation of pthread_rwlockattr_setpshared()) I > had to increase the major number of libc_r.so. pthread_t is just a pointer and the only thing that should be accessing what it points to is libc_r. Perhaps gdb with thread support, but I don't think that's brought into -stable yet anyways. Dan Eischen eischen@vigrid.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 7:32:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (port-1-22.adsl.one.net [216.23.20.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410D51525C for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 07:32:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA70735; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:35:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:35:01 -0500 From: Coleman Kane To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: major number for libc_r bumped Message-ID: <20000104103501.A70716@evil.2y.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from tg@melaten.rwth-aachen.de on Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 07:14:22AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I have been trying to compile some programs, notably gNapster, and there doesn't seem to be any pthread_cancel function in libc_r. Is this an addition of Linux's that simply is not in FreeBSD's thread library, or is it planned for future inclusion? --coleman Thomas Gellekum had the audacity to say: > Moin, > > due to some interface changes (different internal layout of pthread_t, > POSIX compliant implementation of pthread_rwlockattr_setpshared()) I > had to increase the major number of libc_r.so. > > Please relink or recompile applications that depend on it. > > tg > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 9:43:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from luna.lyris.net (luna.shelby.com [207.90.155.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA7D150F5 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:43:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kip@lyris.com) Received: from luna.shelby.com by luna.lyris.net (8.9.1b+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id JAA19326; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from (luna.shelby.com [207.90.155.6]) by luna.shelby.com with SMTP (MailShield v1.50); Tue, 04 Jan 2000 09:43:04 -0800 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:43:04 -0800 (PST) From: Kip Macy To: Daniel Eischen Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, tg@melaten.rwth-aachen.de Subject: Re: HEADS UP: major number for libc_r bumped In-Reply-To: <200001041530.KAA06816@pcnet1.pcnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-SMTP-HELO: luna X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kip@lyris.com X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: eischen@vigrid.com,freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG,tg@melaten.rwth-aachen.de X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: luna.shelby.com [207.90.155.6] Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Speaking of which, when is that planned? -Kip On Tue, 4 Jan 2000, Daniel Eischen wrote: > Thomas Gellekum wrote: > > due to some interface changes (different internal layout of pthread_t, > > POSIX compliant implementation of pthread_rwlockattr_setpshared()) I > > had to increase the major number of libc_r.so. > > pthread_t is just a pointer and the only thing that should be accessing > what it points to is libc_r. Perhaps gdb with thread support, but I > don't think that's brought into -stable yet anyways. > > Dan Eischen > eischen@vigrid.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 10: 3:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from diopter.2y.net (port-8-86.adsl.one.net [216.23.16.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF5C14FFB for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:03:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from judd@diopter.2y.net) Received: (from judd@localhost) by diopter.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28087 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 13:02:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from judd) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 13:02:27 -0500 From: Judd Storrs To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: major number for libc_r bumped Message-ID: <20000104130227.A27700@diopter.2y.net> References: <20000104103501.A70716@evil.2y.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i-jp0 In-Reply-To: <20000104103501.A70716@evil.2y.net> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Quoth Coleman Kane : > Hello, I have been trying to compile some programs, notably > gNapster, and there doesn't seem to be any pthread_cancel function > in libc_r. Is this an addition of Linux's that simply is not in > FreeBSD's thread library, or is it planned for future inclusion? > --coleman Hey Coleman! I was looking into this also a while ago for one of those gnome napster clients. They were talking about this a while ago on freebsd-hackers. My understanding is that pthread_cancel is in -CURRENT and is not going to wander into 3.4. But it is a standard POSIX call, and is documented at: http://www.opengroup.org/public/pubs/online/7908799/xsh/pthread_cancel.html. --judd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 10:11:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pcnet1.pcnet.com (pcnet1.pcnet.com [204.213.232.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2FA14D3A for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:11:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eischen@vigrid.com) Received: (from eischen@localhost) by pcnet1.pcnet.com (8.8.7/PCNet) id NAA00514; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 13:11:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 13:11:03 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Eischen Message-Id: <200001041811.NAA00514@pcnet1.pcnet.com> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, judd@one.net Subject: Re: HEADS UP: major number for libc_r bumped Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I was looking into this also a while ago for one of those gnome > napster clients. They were talking about this a while ago on > freebsd-hackers. My understanding is that pthread_cancel is in > -CURRENT and is not going to wander into 3.4. But it is a standard > POSIX call, and is documented at: Uhhh, cancellation support was just brought into -stable earlier today/last night. Dan Eischen eischen@vigrid.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 11:22:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from boromir.vpop.net (dns1.vpop.net [206.117.147.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC57D14C59 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:22:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mreimer@vpop.net) Received: from vpop.net (bilbo.vpop.net [216.160.82.65]) by boromir.vpop.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10086 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:22:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38724886.9A2DFB05@vpop.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 11:22:46 -0800 From: Matthew Reimer Organization: VPOP Technologies, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Unexpected vinum behavior while reviving Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD 3.3 circa 1999 Nov 10, two 36G disks mirrored (one plex per disk, da1 and da2). While testing vinum's ability to revive a plex, I was surprised by the pattern of disk activity. Nothing was running on the box, except vinum, reviving a 35G mirrored plex I had earlier disconnected. What seems strange is the traffic pattern between the two disks: da1 was (presumably reading) at ~2MB/s, while da2 was (presumably writing) at 6.5MB/s. Shouldn't the traffic be the same for both? Reading/writing the volume when it's up (i.e., not reviving) yields symmetrical traffic patterns. Here's systat -vmstat output: 3 users Load 0.01 0.00 0.00 Wed Nov 10 18:38 Mem:KB REAL VIRTUAL VN PAGER SWAP PAGER Tot Share Tot Share Free in out in out Act 1736 848 2780 916 222708 count All 32784 1452 2259116 1728 pages cow Interrupts Proc:r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt zfod 369 total 2 2 143 90 368 71 2 15248 wire 100 clk0 irq0 5792 act 128 rtc0 irq8 0.5%Sys 0.0%Intr 0.0%User 0.0%Nice 99.5%Idl 11704 inact 140 pci irq11 | | | | | | | | | | cache 1 pci irq10 222708 free fdc0 irq6 daefr atkbd0 irq Namei Name-cache Dir-cache prcfr Calls hits % hits % react pdwake pdpgs Discs da0 da1 da2 fd0 pass0 pass1 pass2 intrn KB/t 0.00 64.00 64.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 8385 buf tps 0 35 105 0 0 0 0 dirtybuf MB/s 0.00 2.18 6.56 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 17268 desiredvnodes % busy 0 4 95 0 0 0 0 340 numvnodes ---------------------------- Vinum is configured like this: vinum -> l Configuration summary Drives: 2 (4 configured) Volumes: 1 (4 configured) Plexes: 2 (8 configured) Subdisks: 2 (16 configured) D vinumdrive0 State: up Device /dev/da1s1e Avail: 0/35000 M B (0%) D vinumdrive1 State: up Device /dev/da2e Avail: 0/35000 M B (0%) V fatmirror State: up Plexes: 2 Size: 34 GB P fatmirror.p0 C State: up Subdisks: 1 Size: 34 GB P fatmirror.p1 C State: faulty Subdisks: 1 Size: 34 GB S fatmirror.p0.s0 State: up PO: 0 B Size: 34 GB S fatmirror.p1.s0 State: reviving PO: 0 B Size: 34 GB After fatmirror.p1 has been revived, it looks like this: vinum -> l Configuration summary Drives: 2 (4 configured) Volumes: 1 (4 configured) Plexes: 2 (8 configured) Subdisks: 2 (16 configured) D vinumdrive0 State: up Device /dev/da1s1e Avail: 0/35000 M B (0%) D vinumdrive1 State: up Device /dev/da2s1e Avail: 35000/350 00 MB (100%) V fatmirror State: up Plexes: 2 Size: 34 GB P fatmirror.p0 C State: up Subdisks: 1 Size: 34 GB P fatmirror.p1 C State: up Subdisks: 1 Size: 34 GB S fatmirror.p0.s0 State: up PO: 0 B Size: 34 GB S fatmirror.p1.s0 State: up PO: 0 B Size: 34 GB Is this unequal traffic across the disks a bug? Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 11:28:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7359415083 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:28:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA35030; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:28:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:28:04 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200001041928.UAA35030@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: enabling bridge-support in rc.conf? X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable In-Reply-To: <84rpmo$23rk$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.4-19991219-STABLE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Boris Staeblow wrote in list.freebsd-stable: > But why do I have to sysctl at all? Because that's the way it works. > I believe a newbie to Freebsd assumes that the kernel-option BRIDGE > should be enought to enable such functionality! I believe a newbie should read the bridge(4) manpage, and it states that you have to enable the feature using sysctl. It's pretty clear, IMO. Never assume anything. Read the docs. > Therefore net.link.ether.bridge should be 1 by default - or at least selectable > by rc.conf. (like it is done for IP Forwarding) No, it should not be 1 by default. The kernel option rather _enables_ support for bridging, but it is _not_ supposed to turn bridging on automatically. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 12:16:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.gmx.net (mail2.gmx.net [194.221.183.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C02C114C21 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:16:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 30940 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2000 20:16:19 -0000 Received: from p3e9c35ad.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO speedy.gsinet) (62.156.53.173) by mail2.gmx.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2000 20:16:19 -0000 Received: (from sittig@localhost) by speedy.gsinet (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23077 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:33:19 +0100 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:33:19 +0100 From: Gerhard Sittig To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: enabling bridge-support in rc.conf? Message-ID: <20000104163319.M16210@speedy.gsinet> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20000104033107.A77947@dva.in-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000104033107.A77947@dva.in-berlin.de>; from balu@dva.in-berlin.de on Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 03:31:07AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 03:31 +0100, Boris Staeblow wrote: > > I believe a newbie to Freebsd assumes that the kernel-option > BRIDGE should be enought to enable such functionality! No. One principle of routing packets between interfaces is that this should never happen by default but instead ALWAYS demands an admin to conciously activate this feature. That's what the RFC says about "requirements for networked computers" (don't have the number at hand). So if you happen to boot a kernel with bridging support compiled in, it still should be your explicit decision to forward packets to a different interface. virtually yours 82D1 9B9C 01DC 4FB4 D7B4 61BE 3F49 4F77 72DE DA76 Gerhard Sittig mail -s "get gpg key" Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net < /dev/null -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 12:20:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144AD14E54 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:20:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id VAA02139; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:20:57 +0100 (MET) Received: by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu (Linux Smail3.2.0.92 #1) id m125aSV-000oo7C; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:21:35 +0000 () Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:21:35 +0100 From: Szilveszter Adam To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: enabling bridge-support in rc.conf? Message-ID: <20000104212135.A17628@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <84rpmo$23rk$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> <200001041928.UAA35030@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <200001041928.UAA35030@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Oliver ! On Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 08:28:04PM +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: > Because that's the way it works. > > > I believe a newbie to Freebsd assumes that the kernel-option BRIDGE > > should be enought to enable such functionality! > > I believe a newbie should read the bridge(4) manpage, and it > states that you have to enable the feature using sysctl. > It's pretty clear, IMO. > > Never assume anything. Read the docs. While you might be true when saying that in general you should always read the docs before doing something, we were not speaking about how this is working now but rather discussing a possible change to the things as they are now. Sure, it worked *before* when you had to manually configure Linux support (fortunately it was already in rc.conf) and also install one or two ports manually before linux support would work but isn't it much more handy now, when you can select linux support at install time and have sysinstall install the required packages *and* at the same time configure rc.conf? The next time the system comes up, everything is dandy. Especially with things like this, which need to be configured only once and then left alone, more transparency is always welcome. You can spare the many routine newbie questions (even experineced sysadmins can get confused when switching over) and also you should note that the docs are often so old that if you only followed them, it would not be a handy journey. (For example the docs up to this day ignore the tool 'mergemaster' although it has become a standard util from a third-party app.) IMHO more transparency and user-friendliness is always good if it can peacefully coexist with flexibility and robustness. And this is such a case. BTW I see another similar case: why do you need a sysctl in order to allow ordinary users to mount/umount removable media? In Linux it is much more simple and now it is their advantage: it is a breeze to configure a system to automatically mount a CD as it is inserted and even auto-start playing it with the audio player of your choice. (I have tested this today on RH 6.1) You might think it is overkill, but it can be a nice feature on a desktop. (Yes, unlike many, I do think that Linux and UNIX are alternatives on the desktop even today. What else could I say when I use it here for almost a year without dual-booting?) > > "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" > (Terry Pratchett) Hilft man ihnen aber nicht dabei, werden viele von ihnen vergebens warten. Regards: Szilveszter ADAM -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Szilveszter ADAM * JATE Szeged * email: sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu * * Homepage : none * alternate email: cc@flanker.itl.net.ua * * Finger sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu for PGP key. * * I prefer using the door instead of Windows(tm)... * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 14: 1:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3897A14E53 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:01:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA35186; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:01:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:01:43 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200001042201.XAA35186@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: enabling bridge-support in rc.conf? X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable In-Reply-To: <84tkp8$4tk$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.4-19991219-STABLE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Szilveszter Adam wrote in list.freebsd-stable: > On Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 08:28:04PM +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: >> > I believe a newbie to Freebsd assumes that the kernel-option BRIDGE >> > should be enought to enable such functionality! >> >> I believe a newbie should read the bridge(4) manpage, and it >> states that you have to enable the feature using sysctl. >> It's pretty clear, IMO. >> >> Never assume anything. Read the docs. > > While you might be true when saying that in general you should always read > the docs before doing something, we were not speaking about how this is > working > now but rather discussing a possible change to the things as they are now. Both is (and must be) part of the discussion. > Sure, it worked *before* > when you had to manually configure Linux support (fortunately it was already That's something completely different. If you break your box by configuring your Linux support, that's your problem. But enabling bridging affects the whole network, and it can cause _very_ bad things if you don't know exactly what you're doing. If you create loops in the topology by bridging, you're doomed. The manpage contains a warning about this. Enabling bridging by default without user intervention is a very bad thing. And what's the problem with sysctl anyway? > For example the docs up to this day ignore the tool 'mergemaster' > although it has become a standard util from a third-party app. Did you write the docs and sent them to the FreeBSD docs folks? That's what send-pr is for. _Someone_ has to write the docs, otherwise they don't exist. Docs don't fall from the sky. > BTW I see another similar case: why do you need a sysctl in order to allow > ordinary users to mount/umount removable media? Because it would be a security hole if it was enabled by default. It should only be enabled if the admin knows exactly what he/she is doing. Just like bridging. (As far as bridging is concerened, I think this is even an RFC requirement.) >> "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" >> (Terry Pratchett) > Hilft man ihnen aber nicht dabei, werden viele von ihnen vergebens warten. Which proves my point about someone having to write the docs. :-) Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 14:32:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awfulhak.org (dynamic-56.max4-du-ws.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk [212.74.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B90514FD8 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:32:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (root@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org [172.16.0.12]) by awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA88157; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 22:32:37 GMT (envelope-from brian@lan.awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost.lan.Awfulhak.org [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA37815; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:48:54 GMT (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200001040848.IAA37815@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.0 09/18/1999 To: Marco Paulo Rodrigues Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: PPPOED in rc.conf In-Reply-To: Message from Marco Paulo Rodrigues of "Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:58:54 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 08:48:53 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [.....] > I can get pppoe to work fine with ppp and I have a life connection. > Anyways my problem is when I enable pppoed in the rc.conf file then when I > boot I don't get an error message, but I notice it shows the pppoed > command and the sytnax as if I typed an invalid switch. Anyone with any > ideas? What does `fgrep pppoed /etc/rc.conf` say ? You usually need to set pppoed_interface as well as pppoed_enable. > Marco Paulo Rodrigues > Junior Unix Systems Operator > Pathway Communications > email: marco.rodrigues@pathcom.com -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 14:32:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awfulhak.org (dynamic-56.max4-du-ws.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk [212.74.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87DCC14FFB for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:32:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (root@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org [172.16.0.12]) by awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA88186; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 22:32:38 GMT (envelope-from brian@lan.awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost.lan.Awfulhak.org [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA32679; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:44:45 GMT (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200001040844.IAA32679@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.0 09/18/1999 To: "Serguei Y. Shilov" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: PPP reconnect problem In-Reply-To: Message from "Serguei Y. Shilov" of "Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:12:51 +0300." <386B7673.CDBB4B93@tepkom.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 08:44:45 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi! Happy New Year at the 1st! Be lucky, happy at new year and of course > stably! > > I've update my kernel and userland to 3.4-STABLE via CVS and find that I > could not reconnect with my ISP after carrier lost. > > I use next strings in my /etc/ppp/ppp.conf file: > > set redial 3 50 ; it's work > set reconnect 3 50 ; it's don't work ``set reconnect'' is used when the peer drops the connection. Are you saying that this doesn't work correctly ? Can you supply some logs (http://www.FreeBSD.org/FAQ/userppp.html says how to do this) ? > Must I downgrade ppp to 3.3-RELEASE? It's a bad idea for me. > > Is there other suggestions? Upgrade to the version on my web site. Support is always better if we're working from the same sources :o] > -- > Serguei Shilov, M.Sc., C.U.S.E. > Networked system administrator of LANIT-Terkom Inc. -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 14:34:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1927150F2 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:33:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id XAA07361; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:33:50 +0100 (MET) Received: by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu (Linux Smail3.2.0.92 #1) id m125cX9-000on0C; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 22:34:31 +0000 () Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:34:31 +0100 From: Szilveszter Adam To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: enabling bridge-support in rc.conf? Message-ID: <20000104233431.C17628@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <84tkp8$4tk$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> <200001042201.XAA35186@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <200001042201.XAA35186@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 11:01:43PM +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: > That's something completely different. If you break your box > by configuring your Linux support, that's your problem. But > enabling bridging affects the whole network, and it can cause > _very_ bad things if you don't know exactly what you're doing. > If you create loops in the topology by bridging, you're doomed. > The manpage contains a warning about this. Enabling bridging > by default without user intervention is a very bad thing. > > And what's the problem with sysctl anyway? Just to get it clear: I did not suggest it to be enabled without user intervention. All I had in mind was to move this particular parameter to rc.conf (or similar) instead of the sysctl. Sorry if this did not came through, but this is the $SUBJECT of this thread so I thought it was obvious. The problem with sysctls is only one: They tend to be badly documented. After all, grepping through the source is not always an option and this may or may not have to do with the admin's level of experience. It may also be space constraints, not having the source, etc. > > > For example the docs up to this day ignore the tool 'mergemaster' > > although it has become a standard util from a third-party app. > > Did you write the docs and sent them to the FreeBSD docs folks? > That's what send-pr is for. _Someone_ has to write the docs, > otherwise they don't exist. Docs don't fall from the sky. I could not agree more. I did not write this to start a rant against the -doc people. I am on that mailing list as well and know how hard they are working. I wish I had more time on my hands so that I could submit some docs... but this is examination time for us at University and since my major is not in the least computer-related, this is quite a distraction. Maybe a couple of weeks later... until then, I will try to polish my SGML/DocBook skills and improve my English, both of which are critical now:-) > > > BTW I see another similar case: why do you need a sysctl in order to allow > > ordinary users to mount/umount removable media? > > Because it would be a security hole if it was enabled by > default. It should only be enabled if the admin knows exactly > what he/she is doing. Just like bridging. Same goes here. I did not say it be enabled by default. But documented and more easily accessible. I bet any vendor would not know that automounting CDs was actually possible using BSD so they say: see, Linux is more developed and more suited to the mass market. Advocacy and marketing does not end with listings of kernel features... > > (As far as bridging is concerened, I think this is even an RFC > requirement.) Yes, I think, too. Someone already submitted the number, unless I am mistaken. Regards and have a nice evening, everybody! Szilveszter ADAM -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Szilveszter ADAM * JATE Szeged * email: sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu * * Homepage : none * alternate email: cc@flanker.itl.net.ua * * Finger sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu for PGP key. * * I prefer using the door instead of Windows(tm)... * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 15:21: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C45714FDC for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:21:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA35376; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 00:21:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 00:21:00 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200001042321.AAA35376@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: enabling bridge-support in rc.conf? X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable In-Reply-To: <84tub7$arm$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.4-19991219-STABLE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Szilveszter Adam wrote in list.freebsd-stable: > Just to get it clear: I did not suggest it to be enabled without user > intervention. All I > had in mind was to move this particular parameter to rc.conf (or similar) > instead of the sysctl. Well, that's debatable. (Personally, as I said earlier in this thread, I don't think that each and every sysctl knob should have an equivalent rc.conf setting. Only the most common ones. I think rc.conf is already bloated and cluttered with stuff, some of which is not needed by 99% of the users and just might cause confusion, and the remaining 1% certainly would know how to throw the switches without rc.conf.) > The problem with sysctls is only one: They tend to be badly documented. The bridge(4) manpage documents the sysctl in question _very_ well. Please read it if you don't believe me. I agree that _some_ sysctls are not well-documented (but as I said before: docs don't exist until someone writes them). But the specific sysctl in question (see the subject line) is very well documented. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 15:26:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jasper.southwind.net (jasper.southwind.net [206.53.103.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B91114D84 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:26:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gmains@southwind.net) Received: from localhost (gmains@localhost) by jasper.southwind.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17555 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 17:26:14 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: jasper.southwind.net: gmains owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 17:26:14 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Mains To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Star Office Setup Fails Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG When I try and run the Star Office 5.1a setup (not the port) it gives me the following error: bash# ./setup /usr/tmp/sv001.tmp/setup.bin: error in loading shared libraries libvos517li.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Where do I find this lib file?? =============================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabriel Mark Mains SouthWind Internet Access, Inc. Department Manager 120 S. Market SouthWind Technical Support 316-263-7963 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- =============================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 15:42:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 8A42C14C87; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:42:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778791CD417; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:42:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:42:55 -0800 (PST) From: Kris Kennaway To: Yusuf Goolamabbas Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Error whilst doing make installworld on todays stable In-Reply-To: <20000103033933.11525.qmail@yusufg.portal2.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 3 Jan 2000, Yusuf Goolamabbas wrote: > ===> games/larn > (cd /usr/src/games/larn/datfiles; install -c -o root -g games -m 444 larnmaze larnopts larn.help /usr/share/games/larn) > install -c -o root -g games -m 660 /dev/null /var/games/larn/lscore12.0 > install -c -o root -g games -m 660 /dev/null /var/games/larn/llog12.0 > install -c -s -o root -g games -m 550 larn /usr/games/hide > (cd //usr/games; rm -f larn; ln -s dm larn; chown games:bin larn) > rm: larn: is a directory > *** Error code 1 rm -rf /usr/games/larn && try again Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 16: 7:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9899A14C59 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:06:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 29292 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2000 00:06:31 -0000 Received: from userag81.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) (62.188.132.167) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2000 00:06:31 -0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02601; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 00:06:30 GMT (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 00:06:29 +0000 From: Mark Ovens To: Gabriel Mains Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Star Office Setup Fails Message-ID: <20000105000629.K352@marder-1> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 05:26:14PM -0600, Gabriel Mains wrote: > > When I try and run the Star Office 5.1a setup (not the port) it gives me > the following error: > > bash# ./setup > /usr/tmp/sv001.tmp/setup.bin: error in loading shared libraries > libvos517li.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory > > Where do I find this lib file?? > It's been unpacked to /tmp/sv001.tmp, but the setup script does not update the ldconfig hints file to include it (the port does). Follow the instructions at http://www.stat.duke.edu/~sto/StarOffice51a/install.html and you should have no problems. BTW, why are you not using the port? HTH > =============================================================================== > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabriel Mark Mains SouthWind Internet Access, Inc. > Department Manager 120 S. Market > SouthWind Technical Support 316-263-7963 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > =============================================================================== > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- "there's a long-standing bug relating to the x86 architecture that allows you to install Windows too" -Matthew D. Fuller ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 16:37:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.vr.IN-Berlin.DE (gnu.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFAEB14D4F for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:37:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dva.in-berlin.de!balu@hirsch.in-berlin.de) Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (root@hirsch.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.6]) by mail.vr.IN-Berlin.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03057 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:37:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from dva.in-berlin.de!balu@hirsch.in-berlin.de) Received: by hirsch.in-berlin.de (Smail3.2) id ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:37:05 +0100 (CET) Received: by dva.in-berlin.de (Postfix, from userid 200) id 121EF10F72; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 00:54:14 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 00:54:13 +0100 From: Boris Staeblow To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: enabling bridge-support in rc.conf? Message-ID: <20000105005413.A95924@dva.in-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gerhard Sittig wrote: >No. One principle of routing packets between interfaces is that >this should never happen by default but instead ALWAYS demands an >admin to conciously activate this feature. That's what the RFC >says about "requirements for networked computers" (don't have the >number at hand). So if you happen to boot a kernel with bridging >support compiled in, it still should be your explicit decision to >forward packets to a different interface. Agree. But there´s no possibility to configure exactly this directly in /etc/rc.conf. The alternate is to create a script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d. Boris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 16:49:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (port-1-75.adsl.one.net [216.23.20.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2369515158 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:49:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA71359; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 19:52:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 19:52:17 -0500 From: Coleman Kane To: Judd Storrs Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: major number for libc_r bumped Message-ID: <20000104195217.A71343@evil.2y.net> References: <20000104103501.A70716@evil.2y.net> <20000104130227.A27700@diopter.2y.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000104130227.A27700@diopter.2y.net>; from judd@one.net on Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 01:04:29PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks, Judd. I guess I'll have to wait until 4.0 goes stable. --cokane Judd Storrs had the audacity to say: > Quoth Coleman Kane : > > > Hello, I have been trying to compile some programs, notably > > gNapster, and there doesn't seem to be any pthread_cancel function > > in libc_r. Is this an addition of Linux's that simply is not in > > FreeBSD's thread library, or is it planned for future inclusion? > > --coleman > > Hey Coleman! > > I was looking into this also a while ago for one of those gnome > napster clients. They were talking about this a while ago on > freebsd-hackers. My understanding is that pthread_cancel is in > -CURRENT and is not going to wander into 3.4. But it is a standard > POSIX call, and is documented at: > > http://www.opengroup.org/public/pubs/online/7908799/xsh/pthread_cancel.html. > > --judd > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 17:54:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA29015044 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 17:54:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08649; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 18:54:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200001050154.SAA08649@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: (OT?) best mouse for Intel box? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000104002546.0143b730@207.227.119.2> from "Jeffrey J. Mountin" at "Jan 4, 0 00:25:46 am" To: jeff-ml@mountin.net (Jeffrey J. Mountin) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 18:54:21 -0700 (MST) Cc: cokane@one.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > At 03:37 PM 1/3/00 -0500, Coleman Kane wrote: >> I really, really like the Logitec TrackMan Marble, too bad they don't >> make them anymore. They have been replaced with Trackman Marble+, >> with the 'wheel' functioning as a third button. The wheel is rather >> difficult to use as a frequently used button because of it's >> placement and resistance. If you really like the mouse, Logitec's >> FirstMouse+ can be found for about $25 at any geek shop. > > Death to mice IMO. Also on the RIP list is the Vista, which might > (have) be(en) better for those less coordinated with their thumb. > Rather wish the Marble and the Vista stuck around. > > Use a M$ 2 button serial when I tinker with X every now and again, > since I can't find a decent trackball. Without a damn wheel. To be > fair a serial backup mouse is handy. I've got a lot of miles (and a couple of years) on a Kensington "Expert Mouse", which is a trackball. The ball is about the heft and size of a cue ball off your pool table. My old version has two buttons; the current ones have four, I believe. I like it a lot. You know, the government spent millions of bucks determining the best input device for this kind of stuff. It's not by accident the FAA air traffic controllers have a big trackball next to their radar screens. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 18:17:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B701520F for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 18:17:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08827; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 19:16:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200001050216.TAA08827@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Star Office Setup Fails In-Reply-To: <20000105000629.K352@marder-1> from Mark Ovens at "Jan 5, 0 00:06:29 am" To: mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (Mark Ovens) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 19:16:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: gmains@southwind.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Mark Ovens wrote: > > BTW, why are you not using the port? Does anyone know when Sun plans the long-ago announced release of the source code? Or a URL that covers the subject? I'm looking forward to the native FreeBSD port, and am willing to work on it (or even coordinate it). -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 18:55:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kot.ne.mediaone.net (kot.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.15.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5318151C9 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 18:55:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Received: from rtfm.newton (rtfm.newton [10.10.0.1]) by kot.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA89083 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:55:15 -0500 (EST) From: Mikhail Teterin X-Relay-IP: 10.10.0.1 Received: (from mi@localhost) by rtfm.newton (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20940 for stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:55:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Message-Id: <200001050255.VAA20940@rtfm.newton> Subject: Re: Star Office Setup Fails In-Reply-To: <200001050216.TAA08827@freeway.dcfinc.com> from "Chad R. Larson" at "Jan 4, 2000 07:16:13 pm" To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:55:15 -0500 (EST) X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7w hJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli"; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 19:21:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drkangel@pathcom.com) Received: from bastardos ([216.209.32.15]) by tomts3-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.07 201-229-116-107) with SMTP id <20000105032141.CTSK627.tomts3-srv.bellnexxia.net@bastardos>; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 22:21:41 -0500 From: "Marco Paulo Rodrigues" To: "Brian Somers" , "Marco Paulo Rodrigues" Cc: , Subject: RE: PPPOED in rc.conf Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 22:20:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200001040848.IAA37815@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG filled out everything properly, this is what I have right now.. [01/04/00 17:14:24] [drkangel@fartos:~] grep pppoed /etc/defaults/rc.conf pppoed_enable="YES" # Run the PPP over Ethernet daemon. pppoed_provider="*" # Provider and ppp(8) config file entry. pppoed_flags="-P /var/run/pppoed.pid" # Flags to pppoed (if enabled). pppoed_interface="ed1" # The interface that pppoed runs on. unless there is something I should be putting in pppoed provider I don't know what else. Everything works fine with ppp, just wondering why they have pppoed in the rc.conf, must do something special :) -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Brian Somers Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 3:49 AM To: Marco Paulo Rodrigues Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: PPPOED in rc.conf [.....] > I can get pppoe to work fine with ppp and I have a life connection. > Anyways my problem is when I enable pppoed in the rc.conf file then when I > boot I don't get an error message, but I notice it shows the pppoed > command and the sytnax as if I typed an invalid switch. Anyone with any > ideas? What does `fgrep pppoed /etc/rc.conf` say ? You usually need to set pppoed_interface as well as pppoed_enable. > Marco Paulo Rodrigues > Junior Unix Systems Operator > Pathway Communications > email: marco.rodrigues@pathcom.com -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 20:11:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ms1.tomail.com.tw (ms1.tomail.com.tw [139.175.250.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A1108150F5 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:11:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anonymous@ms1.tomail.com.tw) Received: (qmail 58933 invoked by uid 10000); 5 Jan 2000 04:11:24 -0000 Date: 5 Jan 2000 04:11:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20000105041124.58932.qmail@ms1.tomail.com.tw> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: help about nat's redirect_port From: rayw@tomail.com.tw Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi All : my nat is working file , but i can't use redirect_port . Is somebody can tell me the detail config about redirect_port . ICQ : 2635114 Ray Wang To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 20:16:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from diopter.2y.net (port-4-80.adsl.one.net [216.2.1.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741B7151D2 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:16:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from judd@diopter.2y.net) Received: (from judd@localhost) by diopter.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14592 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:16:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from judd) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:16:22 -0500 From: Judd Storrs To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: major number for libc_r bumped Message-ID: <20000104231622.A14337@diopter.2y.net> References: <20000104103501.A70716@evil.2y.net> <20000104130227.A27700@diopter.2y.net> <20000104195217.A71343@evil.2y.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i-jp0 In-Reply-To: <20000104195217.A71343@evil.2y.net> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, after I had the audacity to post that pthread_cancel was in 4.0-CURRENT only, I was politely informed by Dan Eischen that it is now present in the upgraded 3-CURRENT libc_r as of yesterday. I cvsuped and pthread_cancel is now in my pthread.h. I havn't tried to use it yet. --judd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 20:29:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sfco.solsoft.net.ar (ts-1.netverk.com.ar [200.26.83.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662E415171 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:28:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sppp@sfco.solsoft.net.ar) Received: (from root@localhost) by sfco.solsoft.net.ar (8.9.2/8.9.2) id BAA44628 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:26:31 GMT (envelope-from sppp) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:26:31 GMT From: "Administrador." Message-Id: <200001050126.BAA44628@sfco.solsoft.net.ar> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: pthread errors with mysql Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi. I have instaled FreBSD 3.1 and have pkg_added the file 31upgrade.tgz to work with stable packages. I needed to install mysql 3.22.27 server, I saw that libtool-1.3.3 and mysql-client where prerequites, so I added those packages without any problem, but when I add mysql-server-3.22.27.tgz, I get errors and in the file /var/db/mysql/server1.err have the following message: /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/libexec/mysqld: Undefined symbol "pthread_attr_setschedparam" mysql ended on...... I'm not a Unix expert, even my english is not as good as I would like, but I have read all I could about mysql, and have downloaded a distribution from other site and read de READMEs, and found that it is supossed that FreeBSD 2.2.x must compile with MIT pthread, but 3.x must work with native pthreads... Even more, I call man pthread, and I see that the function pthread_attr_setschedparam is defined. Please help me solve this problem. Thanks. Sergio M. Jurio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 20:46:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [209.249.56.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF4414F4B for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:46:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA67054; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:45:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:45:42 -0800 From: Josef Grosch To: "Chad R. Larson" Cc: Thomas David Rivers , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.4 CD's shipping? Message-ID: <20000104204542.A66944@mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com References: <200001031727.MAA12338@lakes.dignus.com> <200001032242.PAA05502@freeway.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <200001032242.PAA05502@freeway.dcfinc.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 03:41:59PM -0700, Chad R. Larson wrote: > As I recall, Thomas David Rivers wrote: > > Well - it's been a while since the 3.4 freeze, I was wondering > > if the 3.4 CDs are shipping yet as mine hasn't arrived. > > Has anyone gotten there's? > > Walnut Creek sent me e-mail notification this morning that mine had > shipped. I got my notice this morning. Put me into a very good mood! Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 3.4 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 22:41:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9AC151AC for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 22:41:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03164; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 22:41:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 22:41:22 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: rayw@tomail.com.tw Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: help about nat's redirect_port In-Reply-To: <20000105041124.58932.qmail@ms1.tomail.com.tw> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 5 Jan 2000 rayw@tomail.com.tw wrote: > my nat is working file , but i can't use redirect_port . Is > somebody can tell me the detail config about redirect_port . A sample entry may help: redirect_port tcp bond:ident ident tcp = protocol to redirect bond = internal host to direct to ident = port number to redirect (first one is the port on the internal box to hit, the second is the port on the external side to expose.) I found that I kept forgetting the protocol (tcp). the -f option to natd is really handy for keeping complex configs in order, btw. After one redirect_port maintaining the flags in rc.conf becomes a pain. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 4 23:10:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (castles561.castles.com [208.214.165.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CACA215324 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:10:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00673; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:16:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200001050716.XAA00673@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Vince Vielhaber Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting 3.x from CD? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Jan 2000 15:41:57 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 23:16:05 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >> Don't have a spare floppy to put on it. I can (and did) boot 2.2.8 on it > >> tho. > > > > Er. It'd be _really_ nice if you could make just a little effort to help > > us out here. > > You're saying I should maybe take the e-commerce server down or some other > mission critical machine to take a drive out of it? If you don't want to > help, don't answer. It's not like it'd be really that different from other > problems I've had. Uh. A floppy drive costs about $15, including tax. What's your time worth? What's a speedy resolution to this problem worth? Helping me helps you. Refusing to help me hurts you, me, and everyone else that ends up in your position. > >> Here's the register dump: > >> > >> int=0000000e err=00000000 efl=00010046 eip=00009548 > >> eax=c05b302d ebx=c05bafa4 ecx=00008c08 edx=00000002 > >> esi=c05bb000 edi=00001933 ebp=00000000 esp=0c5baf94 > >> cs=0008 ds=0010 es=0010 fs=0010 gs=0010 ss=0010 > >> cs:eip=ac c8 31 00 00 00 fe c9-74 0c b0 2d 80 f9 08 74 > >> ss:esp=10 00 00 00 d8 96 00 00-18 92 00 00 00 18 00 00 > >> System halted > > > > Interesting. Can you tell me _exactly_ what it's output leading up to > > the dump? Can you hit the spacebar when the twiddly thing pauses briefly > > and get the boot: prompt? If you can, tell me what it prints, and then > > hit Enter. > > \boot.config:-P > Keyboard: yes > > >> Default: 0:fd(0,a)/boot/loader > > boot: > - > BTX Loader 1.00 BTX Version is 1.01 > Console: internal video/keyboard > BIOS drive A: is disk0 > BIOS drive B: is disk1 > BIOS drive C: is disk2 > BIOS drive C: is disk3 <-- This does seem odd, but that's what it says. > > FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader, Revision 0.7 640/31744kB > (jkh@cathair, Tue May 18 03:22:02 GMT 1999) > > Hit [Enter] to boot... <-- at this time I also hit space to catch up writing > > Type '?' for a list... > disk0s4a:> boot > /kernel text=0x1a064a data=0x2ec430+0x1f318 / > > Then comes the register dump I typed in in the last message. Ack. At this point in time, we're stumped. It looks like you're trying to install 3.1 here, but the code sequence that you're running doesn't actually exist in the 3.1-RELEASE loader. If you boot this particular CDROM, does it always die at _exactly_ the same place? The avenues for code corruption are: - bad CDROM (will always be the same error) - bad memory (may vary locations, etc.) - bad CD drive/cabling/controller (may vary locations) It's hard for it to be a code/BIOS bug, as in the 3.1-vintage loader IIRC the BTX page (where the crash is) is write-protected. > > Please, always be as verbose as possible with your problem reports. > > Nobody enjoys squeezing blood from a stone, and it drastically reduces > > your chances of getting a useful answer. > > There's not much there to give. It's not like it's failing after it > probes a device. If it was I wouldn't have to put up with comments like > these, I could figure it out myself. Believe me, asking questions on > these lists is the least desirable thing I ever have to do with FreeBSD. The information you've provided this time around could easily have been provided in the first message, and it would have made the whole experience so much less painful and frustrating for all of us. Is it that hard to help us to help you? -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 5 0: 9:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awfulhak.org (dynamic-30.max4-du-ws.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk [212.74.9.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C4614D54 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 00:09:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (root@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org [172.16.0.12]) by awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA90821; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 08:07:49 GMT (envelope-from brian@lan.awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost.lan.Awfulhak.org [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13512; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 08:11:22 GMT (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200001050811.IAA13512@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.0 09/18/1999 To: "Marco Paulo Rodrigues" Cc: "Brian Somers" , "Marco Paulo Rodrigues" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: PPPOED in rc.conf In-Reply-To: Message from "Marco Paulo Rodrigues" of "Tue, 04 Jan 2000 22:20:40 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 08:11:21 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'd suggest you put a ``set -x'' and ``set +x'' pair around the pppoed invocation in rc.network, and see how pppoed is being kicked off. Perhaps you have an older version of pppoed than rc.network ? > filled out everything properly, this is what I have right now.. > > [01/04/00 17:14:24] [drkangel@fartos:~] grep pppoed /etc/defaults/rc.conf > > pppoed_enable="YES" # Run the PPP over Ethernet daemon. > pppoed_provider="*" # Provider and ppp(8) config file entry. > pppoed_flags="-P /var/run/pppoed.pid" # Flags to pppoed (if enabled). > pppoed_interface="ed1" # The interface that pppoed runs on. > > unless there is something I should be putting in pppoed provider I don't > know what else. Everything works fine with ppp, just wondering why they have > pppoed in the rc.conf, must do something special :) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Brian Somers > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 3:49 AM > To: Marco Paulo Rodrigues > Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org > Subject: Re: PPPOED in rc.conf > > > [.....] > > I can get pppoe to work fine with ppp and I have a life connection. > > Anyways my problem is when I enable pppoed in the rc.conf file then when I > > boot I don't get an error message, but I notice it shows the pppoed > > command and the sytnax as if I typed an invalid switch. Anyone with any > > ideas? > > What does `fgrep pppoed /etc/rc.conf` say ? You usually need to set > pppoed_interface as well as pppoed_enable. > > > Marco Paulo Rodrigues > > Junior Unix Systems Operator > > Pathway Communications > > email: marco.rodrigues@pathcom.com -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 5 1:53:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cip12.melaten.rwth-aachen.de (cip12.melaten.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.92.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C491535D for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:53:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tg@melaten.rwth-aachen.de) Received: (from tg@localhost) by cip12.melaten.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11859; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:55:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from tg@melaten.rwth-aachen.de) X-Authentication-Warning: cip12.melaten.rwth-aachen.de: tg set sender to tg@melaten.rwth-aachen.de using -f To: Daniel Eischen Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: major number for libc_r bumped References: <200001041530.KAA06816@pcnet1.pcnet.com> From: Thomas Gellekum In-Reply-To: Daniel Eischen's message of "Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:30:41 -0500 (EST)" Date: 05 Jan 2000 10:55:37 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Daniel Eischen writes: > Thomas Gellekum wrote: > > due to some interface changes (different internal layout of pthread_t, > > POSIX compliant implementation of pthread_rwlockattr_setpshared()) I > > had to increase the major number of libc_r.so. > > pthread_t is just a pointer and the only thing that should be accessing > what it points to is libc_r. Yep, sorry for the sloppy wording. > Perhaps gdb with thread support, but I don't think that's brought > into -stable yet anyways. Not yet. I'll look at that when I bring in the growable stacks. No, there's no timeframe yet. tg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 5 3:47:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.57.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 385B015383 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 03:47:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vev@michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 2743 invoked by uid 1001); 5 Jan 2000 11:47:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 06:47:14 -0500 (EST) From: Vince Vielhaber To: Mike Smith Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting 3.x from CD? In-Reply-To: <200001050716.XAA00673@mass.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Jan 2000, Mike Smith wrote: > > >> Don't have a spare floppy to put on it. I can (and did) boot 2.2.8 on it > > >> tho. > > > > > > Er. It'd be _really_ nice if you could make just a little effort to help > > > us out here. > > > > You're saying I should maybe take the e-commerce server down or some other > > mission critical machine to take a drive out of it? If you don't want to > > help, don't answer. It's not like it'd be really that different from other > > problems I've had. > > Uh. A floppy drive costs about $15, including tax. What's your time > worth? What's a speedy resolution to this problem worth? Helping me > helps you. Refusing to help me hurts you, me, and everyone else that > ends up in your position. Yeah, about $15. On a Sunday of a holiday weekend. Sorry there wasn't a computer store open for 20-30 miles from me. Since I use floppies so rarely, I don't happen to keep a stock of them - maybe you do, but I don't. I can count on one hand how many times I've used a floppy in the last year. > > > >> Here's the register dump: > > >> > > >> int=0000000e err=00000000 efl=00010046 eip=00009548 > > >> eax=c05b302d ebx=c05bafa4 ecx=00008c08 edx=00000002 > > >> esi=c05bb000 edi=00001933 ebp=00000000 esp=0c5baf94 > > >> cs=0008 ds=0010 es=0010 fs=0010 gs=0010 ss=0010 > > >> cs:eip=ac c8 31 00 00 00 fe c9-74 0c b0 2d 80 f9 08 74 > > >> ss:esp=10 00 00 00 d8 96 00 00-18 92 00 00 00 18 00 00 > > >> System halted > > > > > > Interesting. Can you tell me _exactly_ what it's output leading up to > > > the dump? Can you hit the spacebar when the twiddly thing pauses briefly > > > and get the boot: prompt? If you can, tell me what it prints, and then > > > hit Enter. > > > > \boot.config:-P > > Keyboard: yes > > > > >> Default: 0:fd(0,a)/boot/loader > > > > boot: > > - > > BTX Loader 1.00 BTX Version is 1.01 > > Console: internal video/keyboard > > BIOS drive A: is disk0 > > BIOS drive B: is disk1 > > BIOS drive C: is disk2 > > BIOS drive C: is disk3 <-- This does seem odd, but that's what it says. > > > > FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader, Revision 0.7 640/31744kB > > (jkh@cathair, Tue May 18 03:22:02 GMT 1999) > > > > Hit [Enter] to boot... <-- at this time I also hit space to catch up writing > > > > Type '?' for a list... > > disk0s4a:> boot > > /kernel text=0x1a064a data=0x2ec430+0x1f318 / > > > > Then comes the register dump I typed in in the last message. > > Ack. At this point in time, we're stumped. It looks like you're > trying to install 3.1 here, but the code sequence that you're running > doesn't actually exist in the 3.1-RELEASE loader. If you boot this > particular CDROM, does it always die at _exactly_ the same place? 3.2 and 3.3. CD #1 of 3.3 won't boot so I had to use CD #2, but both 1 and 2 of 3.2 and 2 of 3.3 all gave the same result. > > The avenues for code corruption are: > > - bad CDROM (will always be the same error) > - bad memory (may vary locations, etc.) > - bad CD drive/cabling/controller (may vary locations) > > It's hard for it to be a code/BIOS bug, as in the 3.1-vintage loader > IIRC the BTX page (where the crash is) is write-protected. > > > > Please, always be as verbose as possible with your problem reports. > > > Nobody enjoys squeezing blood from a stone, and it drastically reduces > > > your chances of getting a useful answer. > > > > There's not much there to give. It's not like it's failing after it > > probes a device. If it was I wouldn't have to put up with comments like > > these, I could figure it out myself. Believe me, asking questions on > > these lists is the least desirable thing I ever have to do with FreeBSD. > > The information you've provided this time around could easily have been > provided in the first message, and it would have made the whole > experience so much less painful and frustrating for all of us. Is it > that hard to help us to help you? The first message was a "I'm trying to boot 3.x from CD on an Abit TX5 and it's giving a register dump during boot. Has anyone else had a problem with this hardware combination?" There could very well have been a problem with 3.2 and/or 3.3 and the TX5 that was fixed at some time. Ver 3 has been considered stable for a year now, with standard hardware there's a good chance that any bugs were known about and either fixed or a workaround was known. A response of "nothing we know about, how about some more info" would have made more sense than crabbing about how cheap floppy drives are. If I can get out of here at a decent hour today I'll stop and get one and try it. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net 128K ISDN: $24.95/mo or less - 56K Dialup: $17.95/mo or less at Pop4 Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 5 4: 0:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pcnet1.pcnet.com (pcnet1.pcnet.com [204.213.232.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09B4150F5 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 04:00:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eischen@vigrid.com) Received: (from eischen@localhost) by pcnet1.pcnet.com (8.8.7/PCNet) id HAA14331; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 07:00:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 07:00:49 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Eischen Message-Id: <200001051200.HAA14331@pcnet1.pcnet.com> To: eischen@vigrid.com, tg@melaten.rwth-aachen.de Subject: Re: HEADS UP: major number for libc_r bumped Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thomas Gellekum wrote: > due to some interface changes (different internal layout of pthread_t, > POSIX compliant implementation of pthread_rwlockattr_setpshared()) I > had to increase the major number of libc_r.so. Just another thought here. What happens when -current becomes the -stable branch and we're forced to bump library versions again? Are we going to end up with libc_r.so.5 in -stable and libc_r.so.4 in current? Dan Eischen eischen@vigrid.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 5 4:41:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from exchange.prism.co.za (exchange.prism.co.za [196.34.63.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1411814D5D for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 04:41:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alwyns@littlecruncher.prizm.dhs.org) Received: from littlecruncher.prizm.dhs.org (196.34.63.201 [196.34.63.201]) by exchange.prism.co.za with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id CKVJLJ26; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:42:28 +0200 Received: by littlecruncher.prizm.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0B0388A; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:31:58 +0200 (SAST) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:31:58 +0200 From: Alwyn Schoeman To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Error after upgrading to 3.4 + maybe 2000? Message-ID: <20000105113157.A4140@littlecruncher.prizm.dhs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'm using 3.4 on a 486DX2-66 with 8 Mb ram. Just before the end of last year I started getting the following error messages as mail: CRON in malloc(): warning: pointer to wrong page. This happens for atrun, newsyslog and adjkerntz? Can anyone shine any light on a solution or maybe fixes in later versions? Thank you Alwyn Schoeman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 5 6: 8:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F13E151D0 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 06:08:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id GAA09405; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 06:08:22 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda09403; Wed Jan 5 06:08:11 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) id GAA40266; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 06:08:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdy40264; Wed Jan 5 06:07:23 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id GAA30015; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 06:07:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200001051407.GAA30015@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdX30009; Wed Jan 5 06:06:39 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: Alwyn Schoeman Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Error after upgrading to 3.4 + maybe 2000? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Jan 2000 11:31:58 +0200." <20000105113157.A4140@littlecruncher.prizm.dhs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 06:06:39 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000105113157.A4140@littlecruncher.prizm.dhs.org>, Alwyn Schoeman writes: > Hi, > > I'm using 3.4 on a 486DX2-66 with 8 Mb ram. Just before the end of last > year I started getting the following error messages as mail: > > CRON in malloc(): warning: pointer to wrong page. > > This happens for atrun, newsyslog and adjkerntz? > > Can anyone shine any light on a solution or maybe fixes in later versions? I had this problem under 3.1. I also had inetd get into a confused state where it too would print messages of junk pointers, then close connections. Upgrading the machine from 32 MB to 80 MB fixed the problem for me. From what I could tell, heavy VM load, e.g. high scan & page out rates, not necessarily at the time of the error, usually prior to, would usually precede the errors. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Sun/DEC Team, UNIX Group Internet: Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca ITSD Province of BC "e**(i*pi)+1=0" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 5 6:21:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from exchange.prism.co.za (exchange.prism.co.za [196.34.63.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73B014C3C for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 06:21:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alwyns@littlecruncher.prizm.dhs.org) Received: from littlecruncher.prizm.dhs.org (196.34.63.201 [196.34.63.201]) by exchange.prism.co.za with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id CKVJLJQD; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:23:05 +0200 Received: by littlecruncher.prizm.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B4D6F8C; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:23:29 +0200 (SAST) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:23:24 +0200 From: Alwyn Schoeman To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Error after upgrading to 3.4 + maybe 2000? Message-ID: <20000105162323.D33562@littlecruncher.prizm.dhs.org> References: <20000105113157.A4140@littlecruncher.prizm.dhs.org> <200001051407.GAA30015@cwsys.cwsent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200001051407.GAA30015@cwsys.cwsent.com>; from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca on Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 06:06:39AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Can it be that when you compile a FreeBSD kernel it hardcodes the memory size somewhere, I know it sounds absurd, but I had it on 16 Mb when I last compiled, and I've only been getting it since moving to 8Mb. You could be right, I just can't see why it would be doing it, it shouldn't happen. Interesting that you should mention the e**(i*pi)+1=0 part, I don't think many people know of it :) On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 06:06:39AM -0800, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > In message <20000105113157.A4140@littlecruncher.prizm.dhs.org>, Alwyn > Schoeman > writes: > > Hi, > > > > I'm using 3.4 on a 486DX2-66 with 8 Mb ram. Just before the end of last > > year I started getting the following error messages as mail: > > > > CRON in malloc(): warning: pointer to wrong page. > > > > This happens for atrun, newsyslog and adjkerntz? > > > > Can anyone shine any light on a solution or maybe fixes in later versions? > > I had this problem under 3.1. I also had inetd get into a confused > state where it too would print messages of junk pointers, then close > connections. Upgrading the machine from 32 MB to 80 MB fixed the > problem for me. > > >From what I could tell, heavy VM load, e.g. high scan & page out rates, > not necessarily at the time of the error, usually prior to, would > usually precede the errors. > > > Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 > Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 > Sun/DEC Team, UNIX Group Internet: Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca > ITSD > Province of BC > "e**(i*pi)+1=0" > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 5 7: 0:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kci.kciLink.com (kci.kciLink.com [204.117.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A64150C9 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 07:00:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: by kci.kciLink.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id 06A82E8A4; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:00:20 -0500 (EST) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14451.23683.913199.779779@kci.kciLink.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:00:19 -0500 (EST) To: Gabriel Mains Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Setup Fails In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 7) "Biscayne" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "GM" == Gabriel Mains writes: GM> When I try and run the Star Office 5.1a setup (not the port) it gives me GM> the following error: GM> bash# ./setup GM> /usr/tmp/sv001.tmp/setup.bin: error in loading shared libraries GM> libvos517li.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Did you make sure /usr/compat/linux/bin is at the start of your path? I did it like this: env PATH=/usr/compat/linux/bin:$PATH ./setup and it worked well. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 5 7: 1:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zgia.zp.ua (Eagle.ZGIA.zp.ua [194.183.182.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 23DB9153DF; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 07:00:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from laa@zgia.zp.ua) Received: from localhost (laa@localhost) by zgia.zp.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA33046; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:57:58 +0200 (EET) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:57:58 +0200 (EET) From: Alexandr Listopad To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: making release Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG thanks... marc.s>Have a look at : marc.s> marc.s>http://www.external.org/freebsd/current.html marc.s> marc.s>Worked fine for me. ...but it not what do I mean... I need to make RELEASE (ftp-like). I know that I need a FULL CVS tree as handbook wrote: --- Second, you have to have the whole CVS repository at hand. To get this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ you can use CVSUP but in your supfile set the release name to cvs and remove any tag or date fields: --- but it is so difficult for me (14.4Kbit/s - our I-net... ;/) Did there anybody who can help me? I have full src-es, cvsuped today. My configs is: ==== *default host=cvsup2.ua.freebsd.org *default base=/usr *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs *default tag=RELENG_3 *default delete use-rel-suffix doc-all src-base src-bin src-contrib src-etc src-gnu src-include src-lib src-libexec src-release src-sbin src-share src-sys src-usrbin src-usrsbin ==== As you can see I have not all sources... Did it wrong for making release? Did I certainly need src-all src-secure src-eBones for making release? Can I make my custom release? Is there another way for making release? Because a "have to have the whole CVS repository at hand" VERY difficult for me. Please... help me! Thanks. Regards, Listopad Alexandr (laa@zgia.zp.ua), LAA7-RIPE ZGIA, Zaporozhye, Ukraine. http://www.zgia.zp.ua. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 5 7:52:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (port-1-244.adsl.one.net [216.23.20.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E4015192 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 07:52:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA73137 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:54:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:54:58 -0500 From: Coleman Kane To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Making -STABLE Message-ID: <20000105105458.A73118@evil.2y.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have made the PGCC 2.95.1 port and tried to compile the new stable system with it. Before I get flamed for this, I know that the sources are still made for the 2.7 GCC compiler. I was wondering when many of the discrepencies would be worked out in the source code. There are some simple things that prevent a successful build under any EGCS version, for example in /usr/src/contrib/gnu/libg++/libg++/src/ACG.cc, the variable randomStateTable[][3] is simply defined as type 'static' rather than 'static int'. This causes trouble on the compilation unless it is fixed. There are some other problems too. If I have a lot of time, I can compile some sources under GCC 2.95 and others under 2.7 when I absolutely can't fix them or don't feel like fixing them. Is 4.0-CURRENT expected to be GCC 2.95 'compliant'? --cokane To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 5 8:12:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F1815192 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 08:12:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id RAA08826; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:12:17 +0100 (MET) Received: by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu (Linux Smail3.2.0.92 #1) id m125t3m-000on0C; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:13:18 +0000 () Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:13:18 +0100 From: Szilveszter Adam To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Making -STABLE Message-ID: <20000105171318.A31285@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20000105105458.A73118@evil.2y.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <20000105105458.A73118@evil.2y.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 10:54:58AM -0500, Coleman Kane wrote: > Hi, I have made the PGCC 2.95.1 port and tried to compile the new stable system > with it. Before I get flamed for this, I know that the sources are still made > for the 2.7 GCC compiler. I was wondering when many of the discrepencies would > be worked out in the source code. There are some simple things that prevent a > successful build under any EGCS version, for example in > /usr/src/contrib/gnu/libg++/libg++/src/ACG.cc, the variable > randomStateTable[][3] is simply defined as type 'static' rather than 'static > int'. This causes trouble on the compilation unless it is fixed. There are some > other problems too. If I have a lot of time, I can compile some sources under > GCC 2.95 and others under 2.7 when I absolutely can't fix them or don't feel > like fixing them. Is 4.0-CURRENT expected to be GCC 2.95 'compliant'? AFAIK, the 3.x branch is not going to migrate to GCC-2.95. When the now -CURRENT becomes -STABLE, EGCS support will be introduced with it but not before that. I think they use EGCS as default compiler already over there at -CURRENT. To quote from the RELNOTES.TXT of the 4.0 snap as of Jan. 3.: "1.3. USERLAND CHANGES --------------------- The base C/C++ compiler has been upgraded from GCC 2.7.2 to GCC 2.95.2. This gives users full ISO C++ support, and preliminary C9x support." All we need is a bit of patience, the port was included only because some other ports (like FlightGear) already depend on it. Regards: Szilveszter ADAM -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Szilveszter ADAM * JATE Szeged * email: sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu * * Homepage : none * alternate email: cc@flanker.itl.net.ua * * Finger sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu for PGP key. * * I prefer using the door instead of Windows(tm)... * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 5 8:18:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCEE9153F2 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 08:18:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA36680; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:18:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:18:16 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200001051618.RAA36680@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: making release X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable In-Reply-To: <84vmpl$1cs5$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.4-19991219-STABLE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alexandr Listopad wrote in list.freebsd-stable: > ...but it not what do I mean... I need to make RELEASE (ftp-like). > I know that I need a FULL CVS tree as handbook wrote: > > --- > Second, you have to have the whole CVS repository at hand. To get this > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > you can use CVSUP but in your supfile set the release name to cvs and > remove any tag or date fields: > --- > > but it is so difficult for me (14.4Kbit/s - our I-net... ;/) If you have a fairly recent FreeBSD CD-ROM, you will find the CVS repository on it. Install it on your harddisk, then use cvs to bring it up-to-date. If you do this, you won't have to download the whole repository, because you already have most of it (from the CD-ROM), and cvs will only get the diffs necessary to bring it up-to-date. However, there is another way, but it requires some hacking. You can modify /usr/src/release/Makefile so it does not require the CVS repository, but just copies /usr/src and /usr/ports instead. I did this once (for different reasons, though). But note that you should know what you're doing. Read the release Makefile and try to understand what it does. If you don't, then you shouldn't even try to "make release". > I have full src-es, cvsuped today. My configs is: > [...] You also need the ports collection. (Well, I guess you can hack the Makefile to omit the ports collection, too, if you don't need it, but then you won't get the docs either, because building the docs requires some ports [textproc/docproj, which uses several other ports].) Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 5 10:20:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from foobar.franken.de (foobar.franken.de [194.94.249.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F8215473 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:20:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from logix@foobar.franken.de) Received: (from logix@localhost) by foobar.franken.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) id TAA11767; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:19:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <20000105191920.D11588@foobar.franken.de> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:19:20 +0100 From: Harold Gutch To: Vince Vielhaber , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: booting 3.x from CD? References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Vince Vielhaber on Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 01:03:38PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 01:03:38PM -0500, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > > I'm setting up a new machine. Nothing special, ABit TX5 with an intel > 233, Paradise video card, 32MB ram (non-parity), 4GB Maxtor, an ATAPI > 4X cdrom and a keyboard. That's it. No network, no mouse, not over > clocked, nothing at all special. Both 3.2 and 3.3 CDs get to the data > section and give a register dump and System halted at the bottom of the > screen. 2.2.8-RELEASE boots and installs fine, it's just 3.x. I've > booted and installed from the 3.2 CD many times on other hardware. CD > and hard disk are masters on pri and secondary controllers (HD on pri). On a (semi-)related topic - I tried to install FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE on my "Gericom" notebook last week and _always_ failed when booting from either the CD or from the 3.3 bootdisks I had created. The booting process would halt at either the point where it says Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz or it would pass exactly this point and then halt at the next screen (the one where you select wether you want to config your kernel in visual mode etc.). At one of these points it would simply freeze, no panic, no dump, nothing. I was able to install FreeBSD then using an old 2.2-something bootdisk I still had lying around and using it to install from the 3.3-RELEASE CD. The only thing "special" about the notebook I can think of right now, is the DVD-ROM, but disabling in the BIOS didn't help either. Is *something* from what I posted here known, or is this perhaps a known problem? The notebook now runs without problems, so I can get additional debug output etc. if wanted. bye, Harold -- Someone should do a study to find out how many human life spans have been lost waiting for NT to reboot. Ken Deboy on Dec 24 1999 in comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 5 12:49:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.111.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E6DD15385 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:49:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at) Received: from [128.130.111.10] (nunki [128.130.111.10]) by vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA28711; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:49:07 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:49:06 +0100 (MET) From: Gerald Pfeifer To: Szilveszter Adam Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Making -STABLE In-Reply-To: <20000105171318.A31285@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Szilveszter Adam wrote: > "1.3. USERLAND CHANGES > --------------------- > > The base C/C++ compiler has been upgraded from GCC 2.7.2 to GCC 2.95.2. > This gives users full ISO C++ support, and preliminary C9x support." ^^^^ This is not completely true yet, but we are quite close. ;-) > All we need is a bit of patience, the port was included only > because some other ports (like FlightGear) already depend on it. If you want to do serious C++ work, GCC 2.95 is the way to go -- 2.7.2 is seriously broken in many ways and also predates the ISO C++ standard. Gerald -- Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 5 13:43: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from math.missouri.edu (math.missouri.edu [128.206.72.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFFF414C0A for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 13:43:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.72.27]) by math.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31632 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 15:43:01 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <3873BAE2.F1DF6479@math.missouri.edu> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 21:42:58 +0000 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Organization: University of Missouri X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Cron job errors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A few days ago, my root account got a whole bunch of error messages like this: Message 5: From root Tue Dec 28 08:05:02 1999 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 08:05:02 -0600 (CST) From: root (Cron Daemon) To: root Subject: Cron /usr/libexec/atrun X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: CRON in malloc(): warning: pointer to wrong page. They were spaced five minutes apart. They stopped when I rebooted the machine (which I do regularly because I switch off the computer at night.) This has never happened since. Looking at the man page for atrun, it looks like it is supposed to be started every five minutes. For some reason the computer was in such a state that caused atrun to have this error message. I was using FreeBSD stable 3.4 rather recent. Just curious, that's all. It is no problem now. -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu 307 Math Science Building stephen@showme.missouri.edu Department of Mathematics stephen@missouri.edu University of Missouri-Columbia Columbia, MO 65211 USA Phone (573) 882 4540 Fax (573) 882 1869 http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 5 14:38:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cage.tse-online.de (cage.tse-online.de [194.97.69.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A807F154B3 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:38:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ab@cage.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 52933 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Jan 2000 22:38:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:38:54 +0100 From: Andreas Braukmann To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: (OT?) best mouse for Intel box? Message-ID: <20000105233854.G51040@cage.tse-online.de> References: <3.0.3.32.20000104002546.0143b730@207.227.119.2> <200001050154.SAA08649@freeway.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200001050154.SAA08649@freeway.dcfinc.com>; from chad@DCFinc.com on Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 06:54:21PM -0700 Organization: TSE GmbH - Neue Medien Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 06:54:21PM -0700, Chad R. Larson wrote: > I've got a lot of miles (and a couple of years) on a Kensington > "Expert Mouse", which is a trackball. I just have to second this. 'Really good' trackballs are quite wonderfull devices. I don't know the Kensington models, but I use various ITAC mouse-traks for more than 5 years now. I'm more than satisfied with them. They are expensive, ... but my 5 year old serial version of the Mouse-Trak Professional works and feels like brand new. > The ball is about the heft and size of a cue ball off your pool table. All models are featuring balls like this. > My old version has two buttons; the current ones have four, I believe. The Mouse-Trak Personal/Professional has three (configurable) buttons, the 'Evolution' has 6(sic!) buttons. Three on the left and three on the right site of the 'big ball'. I have it configured like this (for right-hand use): The buttons on the right are regulary pressed by the thumb, with the thumb resting on the 'second' one. - first button : programmed to switch between linear speed and 'ballistic' acceleration. - second button: 'left button' / 'button 1' - third button: programmed to 'left button' double-click The buttons on the right side: - sixth button: since the 'little finger' usually rests on it, this button serves as a regular 'right button' / 'button 3' - fifth button: the ring finger rests on it. => 'middle button' / 'button 2' - fourth button: mostly used with the middle finger, it's programmed to 'click and hold' Have a look at http://www.mousetrak.com/ -Andreas -- : Anti-Spam Petition: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ : : PGP-Key: http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key : : Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 0:24: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (castles516.castles.com [208.214.165.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971E6155D5 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 00:23:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01025; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 00:29:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200001060829.AAA01025@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Harold Gutch Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: booting 3.x from CD? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Jan 2000 19:19:20 +0100." <20000105191920.D11588@foobar.franken.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 00:29:18 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On a (semi-)related topic - I tried to install FreeBSD > 3.3-RELEASE on my "Gericom" notebook last week and _always_ > failed when booting from either the CD or from the 3.3 bootdisks > I had created. > The booting process would halt at either the point where it says > > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz > > or it would pass exactly this point and then halt at the next > screen (the one where you select wether you want to config your > kernel in visual mode etc.). At one of these points it would > simply freeze, no panic, no dump, nothing. More details (eg. the output when you use 'boot -v' on the install floppies) would be helpful. > The only thing "special" about the notebook I can think of right > now, is the DVD-ROM, but disabling in the BIOS didn't help > either. I wouldn't expect that to be a problem. > Is *something* from what I posted here known, or is this perhaps > a known problem? The notebook now runs without problems, so I > can get additional debug output etc. if wanted. It'd be interesting to know if you have the same problem with the boot floppies for a recent 4.0 snapshot. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 0:38:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from exchange.prism.co.za (exchange.prism.co.za [196.34.63.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C6E155D7 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 00:38:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alwyns@littlecruncher.prizm.dhs.org) Received: from littlecruncher.prizm.dhs.org (196.34.63.201 [196.34.63.201]) by exchange.prism.co.za with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id CKVJLKRP; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:40:07 +0200 Received: by littlecruncher.prizm.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 168F194; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:40:13 +0200 (SAST) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:40:04 +0200 From: Alwyn Schoeman To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cron job errors Message-ID: <20000106104004.A5213@littlecruncher.prizm.dhs.org> References: <3873BAE2.F1DF6479@math.missouri.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <3873BAE2.F1DF6479@math.missouri.edu>; from stephen@math.missouri.edu on Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 09:42:58PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've got the same problem, not letting up though (: On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 09:42:58PM +0000, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > A few days ago, my root account got a whole bunch of error > messages like this: > > Message 5: > >From root Tue Dec 28 08:05:02 1999 > Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 08:05:02 -0600 (CST) > From: root (Cron Daemon) > To: root > Subject: Cron /usr/libexec/atrun > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > > CRON in malloc(): warning: pointer to wrong page. > > > They were spaced five minutes apart. They stopped when I rebooted > the machine (which I do regularly because I switch off the computer > at night.) This has never happened since. > > Looking at the man page for atrun, it looks like it is supposed to > be started every five minutes. For some reason the computer was > in such a state that caused atrun to have this error message. > > I was using FreeBSD stable 3.4 rather recent. > > Just curious, that's all. It is no problem now. > > -- > > Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu > 307 Math Science Building stephen@showme.missouri.edu > Department of Mathematics stephen@missouri.edu > University of Missouri-Columbia > Columbia, MO 65211 > USA > > Phone (573) 882 4540 > Fax (573) 882 1869 > > http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 5:46:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from foobar.franken.de (foobar.franken.de [194.94.249.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A787E14DDE; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 05:46:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from logix@foobar.franken.de) Received: (from logix@localhost) by foobar.franken.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) id OAA14267; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:46:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <20000106144633.A13911@foobar.franken.de> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:46:33 +0100 From: Harold Gutch To: Mike Smith Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: booting 3.x from CD? References: <20000105191920.D11588@foobar.franken.de> <200001060829.AAA01025@mass.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <200001060829.AAA01025@mass.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 12:29:18AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 12:29:18AM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > On a (semi-)related topic - I tried to install FreeBSD > > 3.3-RELEASE on my "Gericom" notebook last week and _always_ > > failed when booting from either the CD or from the 3.3 bootdisks > > I had created. > > The booting process would halt at either the point where it says > > > > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz > > > > or it would pass exactly this point and then halt at the next > > screen (the one where you select wether you want to config your > > kernel in visual mode etc.). At one of these points it would > > simply freeze, no panic, no dump, nothing. > > More details (eg. the output when you use 'boot -v' on the install > floppies) would be helpful. Whoops, yes, I forgot to attach it to my last mail. This is the output when booting from the CD. I doubt that the verbose output from a bootdisk will look different, but I could give it a try... > It'd be interesting to know if you have the same problem with the boot > floppies for a recent 4.0 snapshot. It halts at exactly the same point. bye, Harold -- Someone should do a study to find out how many human life spans have been lost waiting for NT to reboot. Ken Deboy on Dec 24 1999 in comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="3.3-bootdisk" Booting from Removable Media /boot.config: -P Keyboard: yes - BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.01 Console: internal video/keyboard BIOS drive A: is disk0 BIOS drive B: is disk1 BIOS drive C: is disk2 FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader, Revision 0.7 639/64512kB (jkh@highwing.cdrom.com, Thu Sep 16 22:16:41 GMT 1999) | Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. Booting [kernel] in 9 seconds... Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help. disk0s4a:> set boot_verbose disk0s4a:> boot /kernel text=0x1be13e data=0x2ecd04+0x1e790 syms=[0x4+0x25610+0x4+0x25ace] BIOS basemem (639K) != RTC basemem (640K), setting to BIOS value Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE #5: Fri Sep 17 00:41:25 GMT 1999 jkh@highwing.cdrom.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/BOOTMFS Calibrating clock(s) ... TSC clock: 432639332 Hz, i8524 clock: 1193055 Hz CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default frequency Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CLK_USE_TSC_CALIBRATION not specified - using old calibration method --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="4.0-bootdisk" Booting from Removable Media /boot.config: -P Keyboard: yes BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.01 Console: internal video/keyboard BIOS drive A: is disk0 BIOS drive C: is disk1 BIOS 639kB/64512kB available memory FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader, Revision 0.7 (root@usw2.freebsd.org, Wed Jan 5 13:03:02 GMT 2000) /kernel text=0x1c5c39 data=0x25e74+0x19a04 syms=[0x4+0x29f50+0x4+0x2c0fc] Please insert MFS root floppy and press enter: - Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. Booting [kernel] in 7 seconds... Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help. ok set boot_verbose ok boot Copyright (c) 1992-2000 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.0-20000105-CURRENT #4: Wed Jan 5 16:08:46 GMT 2000 root@usw2.freebsd.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/BOOTMFS Calibrating clock(s) ... TSC clock: 432654589 Hz, i8524 clock: 1193097 Hz CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default frequency Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CLK_USE_TSC_CALIBRATION not specified - using old calibration method --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 7:27:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from anarcat.dyndns.org (phobos.IRO.UMontreal.CA [132.204.20.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41FD315676 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 07:27:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spidey@anarcat.dyndns.org) Received: by anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D353B1B55; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:43:34 -0500 (EST) From: Spidey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14451.58678.36541.414790@anarcat.dyndns.org> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:43:34 -0500 (EST) To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cron job errors References: <3873BAE2.F1DF6479@math.missouri.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 8) "Bryce Canyon" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: beaupran@iro.umontreal.ca Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I also had this problem. It mainly occured when the box was under heavy load. In fact, any job that cron will attempt to start will cause such a mail to be sent. I had one for newsyslog, atrun and such. Restarting cron is a quick fix. I don't know more about it. --- Big Brother told Stephen Montgomery-Smith to write, at 21:42 of January 5: > A few days ago, my root account got a whole bunch of error > messages like this: > > Message 5: > >From root Tue Dec 28 08:05:02 1999 > Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 08:05:02 -0600 (CST) > From: root (Cron Daemon) > To: root > Subject: Cron /usr/libexec/atrun > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > > CRON in malloc(): warning: pointer to wrong page. > > > They were spaced five minutes apart. They stopped when I rebooted > the machine (which I do regularly because I switch off the computer > at night.) This has never happened since. > > Looking at the man page for atrun, it looks like it is supposed to > be started every five minutes. For some reason the computer was > in such a state that caused atrun to have this error message. > > I was using FreeBSD stable 3.4 rather recent. > > Just curious, that's all. It is no problem now. > > -- > > Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu > 307 Math Science Building stephen@showme.missouri.edu > Department of Mathematics stephen@missouri.edu > University of Missouri-Columbia > Columbia, MO 65211 > USA > > Phone (573) 882 4540 > Fax (573) 882 1869 > > http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Si l'image donne l'illusion de savoir C'est que l'adage pretend que pour croire, L'important ne serait que de voir Lofofora To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 8:14:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cichlids.com (as1-041.rp-plus.de [149.221.236.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFA315692 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:14:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761A8AB8F; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:01:47 +0100 (CET) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03520; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:01:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from alex) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:01:29 +0100 From: Alexander Langer To: Marcin Cieslak Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UPDATING is stale? Message-ID: <20000106170129.C3297@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mail-Followup-To: Marcin Cieslak , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200001032102.OAA38752@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from saper@system.pl on Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 10:19:58PM +0100 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thus spake Marcin Cieslak (saper@system.pl): > > : The file src/UPDATING seems to be only maintained in -current. Should it > > : be removed from -stable? > > Yes. I've had permission from jkh to do this for a while now, but > > have been too lazy. Will deal presently. > Will it be removed or maintained? There are HEADS-UP's in -stable as well. Why isn't it maintained for -stable? Alex -- I doubt, therefore I might be. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 8:20:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD66C156F9 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:20:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.11 #1) id 126Fcz-0001Kv-00; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:19:09 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Alexander Langer Cc: Marcin Cieslak , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, imp@freebsd.FreeBSD.ORG, org@axl.noc.iafrica.com Subject: Re: UPDATING is stale? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:01:29 +0100." <20000106170129.C3297@cichlids.cichlids.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:19:09 +0200 Message-ID: <5140.947175549@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:01:29 +0100, Alexander Langer wrote: > There are HEADS-UP's in -stable as well. > Why isn't it maintained for -stable? Nobody's prepared to do the work, really. Basically, UPDATING was started in response to numerous folks whining that such a thing should exist. This was in spite of the numerous folks who believed that it would quickly become stale. If I recall correctly, its maintainer in CURRENT (imp) was one of those who thought it wasn't a fantastic idea. Although he maintains it, he expects some help in doing so, and just isn't getting the help he needs. So like any user-supported software that isn't supported by its users, this part of FreeBSD is dying. I think it was a reverse proof of concept, basically. :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 8:21:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from toronto.bricsnet.com (tor-44.wan.aecinfo.com [209.146.217.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEBF1156B7 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:20:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mitayai@bricsnet.com) Received: from mitayai (tor-51.wan.aecinfo.com [209.146.217.51]) by toronto.bricsnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA22639 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:20:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mitayai@bricsnet.com) From: "Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe" To: "FreeBSD-Stable" Subject: Sendmail, 3.3-STABLE, relaying Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:23:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there... i've got a question regarding the default sendmail.cf file on 3.3-STABLE. The anti-spam-relay stuff works good... but perhaps too good for me without knowledge of sendmail's inner workings. I'm having difficulties allowing people to use the machine as their SMTP relay. I figure that i have to add their hostname's and/or IPs to one of the files referenced at the beginning. If this is correct, can someone tell me which file, and if i can use wildcards like 192.168.200.*? If not, does anyone have any suggestions on how i can *allow* certain hosts/ips to use that machine as a SMTP relay? Regards, Mit To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 8:25:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA92414BC4 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:25:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11747; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:25:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA77439; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:25:34 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200001061625.JAA77439@harmony.village.org> To: Sheldon Hearn Subject: Re: UPDATING is stale? Cc: Alexander Langer , Marcin Cieslak , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:19:09 +0200." <5140.947175549@axl.noc.iafrica.com> References: <5140.947175549@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 09:25:33 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <5140.947175549@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sheldon Hearn writes: : Nobody's prepared to do the work, really. Basically, UPDATING was : started in response to numerous folks whining that such a thing should : exist. This was in spite of the numerous folks who believed that it : would quickly become stale. Yes. That's why. : If I recall correctly, its maintainer in CURRENT (imp) was one of those : who thought it wasn't a fantastic idea. Although he maintains it, he : expects some help in doing so, and just isn't getting the help he needs. No. I think it is a great idea. I just don't always have time to give to it. I got three entries in my queue right now for it... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 8:30:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cichlids.com (as1-041.rp-plus.de [149.221.236.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BEE4156F6 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:30:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67DE6AB8C; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:30:18 +0100 (CET) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05248; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:30:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from alex) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:30:00 +0100 From: Alexander Langer To: Warner Losh Cc: Sheldon Hearn , Marcin Cieslak , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UPDATING is stale? Message-ID: <20000106173000.A5228@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mail-Followup-To: Warner Losh , Sheldon Hearn , Marcin Cieslak , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <5140.947175549@axl.noc.iafrica.com> <200001061625.JAA77439@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200001061625.JAA77439@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 09:25:33AM -0700 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thus spake Warner Losh (imp@village.org): > No. I think it is a great idea. I just don't always have time to > give to it. I got three entries in my queue right now for it... What exactly are you doing with the stuff before you put it in? What's that much work with it that it takes you so much time, that you have three of them in queue? Just courious :-) Alex -- I doubt, therefore I might be. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 8:32:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bender.cl.msu.edu (bender.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4B31569C for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:32:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from muk@bender.cl.msu.edu) Received: (from muk@localhost) by bender.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02741 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:33:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from muk) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:33:56 -0500 From: "Matthew A. Kolb" To: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: Sendmail, 3.3-STABLE, relaying Message-ID: <20000106113356.A2702@bender.cl.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from mitayai@bricsnet.com on Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 11:23:25AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG add relay hosts to: /etc/mail/access in the form of: hostname RELAY or ipaddr RELAY or xxx.xxx.xxx RELAY or xxx.xxx RELAY or xxx RELAY #good for 10. addressing then type make within the /etc/mail directory. (does a make hash) That should do it. ./kolb On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 11:23:25AM -0500, Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote: > Hi there... i've got a question regarding the default sendmail.cf file on > 3.3-STABLE. > > The anti-spam-relay stuff works good... but perhaps too good for me without > knowledge of sendmail's inner workings. I'm having difficulties allowing > people to use the machine as their SMTP relay. I figure that i have to add > their hostname's and/or IPs to one of the files referenced at the beginning. > > If this is correct, can someone tell me which file, and if i can use > wildcards like 192.168.200.*? > > If not, does anyone have any suggestions on how i can *allow* certain > hosts/ips to use that machine as a SMTP relay? > > Regards, > Mit > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Matthew A. Kolb Rocket Scientist Michigan State University SCNC 110 Computer Center (517)355-4500 x 124 kolb@bender.cl.msu.edu "bugs?! we didn't have any bugs!" -jpc on SCNC v1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 8:34:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7493158C7 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:32:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11789; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:32:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA77526; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:32:57 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200001061632.JAA77526@harmony.village.org> To: Alexander Langer Subject: Re: UPDATING is stale? Cc: Sheldon Hearn , Marcin Cieslak , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:30:00 +0100." <20000106173000.A5228@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <20000106173000.A5228@cichlids.cichlids.com> <5140.947175549@axl.noc.iafrica.com> <200001061625.JAA77439@harmony.village.org> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 09:32:57 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000106173000.A5228@cichlids.cichlids.com> Alexander Langer writes: : Thus spake Warner Losh (imp@village.org): : > No. I think it is a great idea. I just don't always have time to : > give to it. I got three entries in my queue right now for it... : : What exactly are you doing with the stuff before you put it in? : What's that much work with it that it takes you so much time, that you : have three of them in queue? : : Just courious :-) Cycles to do some minor editing and make the commits. It is getting them to the top of my queue to do the work that is the problem, not the work once to the top of the queue. Too many irons in the fire. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 8:36:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E463F1569E for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:34:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id IAA10632; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:34:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:34:23 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <200001061634.IAA10632@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, mitayai@bricsnet.com Subject: Re: Sendmail, 3.3-STABLE, relaying In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >From: "Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe" >Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:23:25 -0500 >Hi there... i've got a question regarding the default sendmail.cf file on >3.3-STABLE. >.... >If not, does anyone have any suggestions on how i can *allow* certain >hosts/ips to use that machine as a SMTP relay? Please see /usr/src/contrib/sendmail/cf/README (or the corresponding file from a current sendmail distribution, e.g., from ftp.sendmail.org) for information regarding this. Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 8:45: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tricord.system.pl (tricord.system.pl [195.205.185.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D725F14A24 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:44:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from saper@system.pl) Received: from localhost (saper@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tricord.system.pl (SYSTEM Internet) with ESMTP id RAA04515 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:44:52 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:44:48 +0100 (MET) From: Marcin Cieslak To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPDATING is sta(b)le? In-Reply-To: <20000106173000.A5228@cichlids.cichlids.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Alexander Langer wrote: > > No. I think it is a great idea. I just don't always have time to > > give to it. I got three entries in my queue right now for it... First, perhaps, we should: Index: UPDATING =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/UPDATING,v retrieving revision 1.14.2.3 diff -u -r1.14.2.3 UPDATING --- UPDATING 1999/08/29 15:55:29 1.14.2.3 +++ UPDATING 2000/01/06 16:45:11 @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ -Updating Information for FreeBSD current users +Updating Information for FreeBSD stable users This file is maintained by imp@village.org. Please send new entries directly to him. See end of file for further details. -- << Marcin Cieslak // saper@system.pl >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- SYSTEM Internet Provider http://www.system.pl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 8:46:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from toronto.bricsnet.com (tor-44.wan.aecinfo.com [209.146.217.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E205214F7B for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:45:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mitayai@bricsnet.com) Received: from mitayai (tor-51.wan.aecinfo.com [209.146.217.51]) by toronto.bricsnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA22980; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:45:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mitayai@bricsnet.com) From: "Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe" To: "David Wolfskill" , Subject: RE: Sendmail, 3.3-STABLE, relaying Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:48:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200001061634.IAA10632@pau-amma.whistle.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG tried that, and the best i could find was /etc/mail/relay-domains But i still have no idea if i can use wildcards....? i want IPs resolving reversely as *.company.com to be able to relay through that host. -Mit -----Original Message----- From: David Wolfskill [mailto:dhw@whistle.com] Sent: January 6, 2000 11:34 AM To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; mitayai@bricsnet.com Subject: Re: Sendmail, 3.3-STABLE, relaying >From: "Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe" >Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:23:25 -0500 >Hi there... i've got a question regarding the default sendmail.cf file on >3.3-STABLE. >.... >If not, does anyone have any suggestions on how i can *allow* certain >hosts/ips to use that machine as a SMTP relay? Please see /usr/src/contrib/sendmail/cf/README (or the corresponding file from a current sendmail distribution, e.g., from ftp.sendmail.org) for information regarding this. Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 9:33:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344A414E08 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:33:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12085; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:33:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA78121; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:33:11 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200001061733.KAA78121@harmony.village.org> To: Marcin Cieslak Subject: Re: UPDATING is sta(b)le? Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:44:48 +0100." References: Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 10:33:11 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Marcin Cieslak writes: : First, perhaps, we should: This patch is missing a maintainer change :-) I don't do stable. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 9:44:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EB314DA7 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:44:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12142 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:44:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA78232 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:44:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200001061744.KAA78232@harmony.village.org> Subject: Re: UPDATING is stale? To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:30:00 +0100." <20000106173000.A5228@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <20000106173000.A5228@cichlids.cichlids.com> <5140.947175549@axl.noc.iafrica.com> <200001061625.JAA77439@harmony.village.org> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 10:44:33 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've fixed UPDATING in -stable. Applicants interested in maintaining this file should contact jkh@freebsd.org since he's in charge of the RELENG_3 tree. The updating file says exactly this now. I plan to remove this file completely from 3.x on Feb 15, 2000 if no one is in place to update this file. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 9:50:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tricord.system.pl (tricord.system.pl [195.205.185.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A99814F26 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:49:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from saper@system.pl) Received: from localhost (saper@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tricord.system.pl (SYSTEM Internet) with ESMTP id SAA05472; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:49:53 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:49:50 +0100 (MET) From: Marcin Cieslak To: Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UPDATING is sta(b)le? In-Reply-To: <200001061733.KAA78121@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > This patch is missing a maintainer change :-) I don't do stable. So, who's doing? Anyone collected last STABLE HEADS UP messages (I remember only last one about libc_r). -- << Marcin Cieslak // saper@system.pl >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- SYSTEM Internet Provider http://www.system.pl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 9:51:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D67714C0C for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:51:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12186; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:51:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA78337; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:51:28 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200001061751.KAA78337@harmony.village.org> To: Marcin Cieslak Subject: Re: UPDATING is sta(b)le? Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:49:50 +0100." References: Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 10:51:28 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Marcin Cieslak writes: : So, who's doing? Anyone collected last STABLE HEADS UP messages : (I remember only last one about libc_r). I have one or two volunteers right now that I'll see about bringing on board. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 9:53: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dozer.skynet.be (dozer.skynet.be [195.238.2.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C0F15722 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:51:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by dozer.skynet.be (8.9.3/odie-relay-v1.0) with ESMTP id SAA23242; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:51:39 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@foxbert.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:32:06 +0100 To: "Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe" , "David Wolfskill" , From: Brad Knowles Subject: RE: Sendmail, 3.3-STABLE, relaying Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 11:48 AM -0500 2000/1/6, Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote: > i want IPs resolving reversely as *.company.com to be able to relay through > that host. Keep in mind that any spammer that owns his own reverse DNS (which is not uncommon) can claim to be fred.company.com, and you would allow him to relay through your server. I strongly suggest that you allow the ability to relay *purely* by IP address, and if you wish to prevent anyone from being able to send you mail (by using the REJECT option), do that by hostname, envelope sender address, or IP address. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ____________________________________________________________________ |o| Brad Knowles, Belgacom Skynet NV/SA |o| |o| Systems Architect, News & FTP Admin Rue Col. Bourg, 124 |o| |o| Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.11.11/12.49 B-1140 Brussels |o| |o| http://www.skynet.be Belgium |o| \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Unix is like a wigwam -- no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside. Unix is very user-friendly. It's just picky who its friends are. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 10:38:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gw.traicom.interhack.net (gw.traicom.interhack.net [206.103.243.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E5915624 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:38:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gravesp@traicom.interhack.net) Received: from traicom.interhack.net (issachar.traicom.interhack.net [192.168.1.1]) by gw.traicom.interhack.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17376 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:38:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gravesp@traicom.interhack.net) Message-ID: <3874E12E.DCEDD83C@traicom.interhack.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 13:38:38 -0500 From: Paul Graves Organization: TraiCom Services, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Problem with Linux emulation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Was running fine on 3.3-STABLE until a cvsup this weekend off of 3.4-STABLE. A 'make world' followed by a kernel build gives me a running system, but all Linux applications dump core. Example dmesg output: pid 460 (acroread), uid 500: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) All BSD apps are OK. Any assistance would be appreciated. -- Paul L. Graves gravesp@traicom.interhack.net TraiCom Services, Inc. http://www.traicom.interhack.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 10:51:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CACF15664 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:51:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 12D1C1C4A; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:52:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0391F381B; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:52:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:52:03 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: Paul Graves Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problem with Linux emulation In-Reply-To: <3874E12E.DCEDD83C@traicom.interhack.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Paul Graves wrote: > pid 460 (acroread), uid 500: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) > > All BSD apps are OK. Any assistance would be appreciated. I had similar problems when my kernel/world/linux module were out of sync. I know you said you recompiled / made world etc, but you might want to make sure. -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 10:57:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from plab.ku.dk (plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04BF1569E for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:57:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from voland@plab.ku.dk) Received: from eagle.plab.ku.dk (voland@eagle.plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.63]) by plab.ku.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA92781 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 19:57:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from voland@plab.ku.dk) Received: (from voland@localhost) by eagle.plab.ku.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA59144; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 19:57:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from voland) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: w weirdness From: Vadim Belman Date: 06 Jan 2000 19:57:30 +0100 Message-ID: <857lhn81ut.fsf@eagle.plab.ku.dk> Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I executed 'w' command just few minutes ago and got rather strange output of it. Notice the uptime and top's IDLE... Hm... The xterm with top in it starts automatically when my WindowMaker starting. I type something in it rather rarely. So, this time I have typed nothing yet and this seems to be the cause.. 7:52PM up 3 days, 3:12, 10 users, load averages: 1.22, 1.11, 1.08 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT voland p1 :0.0 Mon04PM 2days less voland p2 :0.0 Mon04PM 2days less voland p3 :0.0 Mon04PM 25 zsh voland p4 :0.0 Mon04PM - w voland p5 :0.0 Mon04PM 6:13 zsh voland p6 :0.0 Mon04PM 6days top [... the rest skipped ...] -- /Voland Vadim Belman E-mail: voland@plab.ku.dk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 11: 1:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D47001567D for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:01:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 126IA1-000178-00 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 14:01:25 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:01:24 -0500 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problem with Linux emulation Message-ID: <20000106140124.E2015@pir.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org References: <3874E12E.DCEDD83C@traicom.interhack.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from billf@chc-chimes.com on Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 01:52:03PM -0500 X-fish: < Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bill Fumerola probably said: > > pid 460 (acroread), uid 500: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) > > All BSD apps are OK. Any assistance would be appreciated. > > I had similar problems when my kernel/world/linux module were out > of sync. I know you said you recompiled / made world etc, but you > might want to make sure. It also sounds like a similar problem I had when trying to use linux apps while $LD_LIBRARY_PATH was set and pointing at BSD library directories. P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 11:40:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from toronto.bricsnet.com (tor-44.wan.aecinfo.com [209.146.217.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93101560A for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:40:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mitayai@bricsnet.com) Received: from mitayai (tor-51.wan.aecinfo.com [209.146.217.51]) by toronto.bricsnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA24445; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:40:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mitayai@bricsnet.com) From: "Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe" To: "Brad Knowles" , "David Wolfskill" , Subject: RE: Sendmail, 3.3-STABLE, relaying Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:43:19 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ok, so how would i deny access to an entire C-Class? -----Original Message----- From: Brad Knowles [mailto:blk@skynet.be] Sent: January 6, 2000 12:32 PM To: Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe; David Wolfskill; freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Sendmail, 3.3-STABLE, relaying At 11:48 AM -0500 2000/1/6, Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote: > i want IPs resolving reversely as *.company.com to be able to relay through > that host. Keep in mind that any spammer that owns his own reverse DNS (which is not uncommon) can claim to be fred.company.com, and you would allow him to relay through your server. I strongly suggest that you allow the ability to relay *purely* by IP address, and if you wish to prevent anyone from being able to send you mail (by using the REJECT option), do that by hostname, envelope sender address, or IP address. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ____________________________________________________________________ |o| Brad Knowles, Belgacom Skynet NV/SA |o| |o| Systems Architect, News & FTP Admin Rue Col. Bourg, 124 |o| |o| Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.11.11/12.49 B-1140 Brussels |o| |o| http://www.skynet.be Belgium |o| \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Unix is like a wigwam -- no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside. Unix is very user-friendly. It's just picky who its friends are. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 11:46: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dozer.skynet.be (dozer.skynet.be [195.238.2.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5C315718 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:45:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by dozer.skynet.be (8.9.3/odie-relay-v1.0) with ESMTP id UAA18099; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:45:45 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@foxbert.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:45:05 +0100 To: "Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe" , "David Wolfskill" , From: Brad Knowles Subject: RE: Sendmail, 3.3-STABLE, relaying Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 2:43 PM -0500 2000/1/6, Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote: > ok, so how would i deny access to an entire C-Class? Put "198.64.0 REJECT" in your access database (substituting the appropriate first three octets for the Class C network in question, of course), and then re-run makemap to update the access database. More details are at and . -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ____________________________________________________________________ |o| Brad Knowles, Belgacom Skynet NV/SA |o| |o| Systems Architect, News & FTP Admin Rue Col. Bourg, 124 |o| |o| Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.11.11/12.49 B-1140 Brussels |o| |o| http://www.skynet.be Belgium |o| \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Unix is like a wigwam -- no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside. Unix is very user-friendly. It's just picky who its friends are. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 11:52:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A6E14CE5 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:52:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id LAA11979; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:52:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:52:27 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <200001061952.LAA11979@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: mitayai@bricsnet.com Subject: RE: Sendmail, 3.3-STABLE, relaying Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >From: "Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe" >Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:43:19 -0500 >ok, so how would i deny access to an entire C-Class? Quoting from /usr/src/contrib/sendmail/cf/README, beginning at line 1276: An ``access'' database can be created to accept or reject mail from selected domains. For example, you may choose to reject all mail originating from known spammers. To enable such a database, use FEATURE(access_db) The FEATURE macro can accept a second parameter giving the key file definition for the database; for example FEATURE(access_db, hash -o /etc/mail/access) Remember, since /etc/mail/access is a database, after creating the text file as described below, you must use makemap to create the database map. For example: makemap hash /etc/mail/access < /etc/mail/access The table itself uses e-mail addresses, domain names, and network numbers as keys. For example, spammer@aol.com REJECT cyberspammer.com REJECT 192.168.212 REJECT would refuse mail from spammer@aol.com, any user from cyberspammer.com (or any host within the cyberspammer.com domain), and any host on the 192.168.212.* network. The value part of the map can contain: OK Accept mail even if other rules in the running ruleset would reject it, for example, if the domain name is unresolvable. RELAY Accept mail addressed to the indicated domain or received from the indicated domain for relaying through your SMTP server. RELAY also serves as an implicit OK for the other checks. REJECT Reject the sender or recipient with a general purpose message. DISCARD Discard the message completely using the .... Please note that the example given would cause attempts to establish a SMTP connection form anywhere in the class C 192.168.212.0/24 to be rejected (as the quoted text indicates). Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 12:11:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shadowmere.student.utwente.nl (wit401305.student.utwente.nl [130.89.236.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A9114CE5 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:11:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daeron@Wit401305.student.utwente.nl) Received: by shadowmere.student.utwente.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C34DF1F83; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:11:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:11:37 +0100 From: Pascal Hofstee To: Vadim Belman Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: w weirdness Message-ID: <20000106211137.A45762@shadowmere.student.utwente.nl> References: <857lhn81ut.fsf@eagle.plab.ku.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <857lhn81ut.fsf@eagle.plab.ku.dk>; from voland@plab.ku.dk on Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 07:57:30PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 07:57:30PM +0100, Vadim Belman wrote: > > I executed 'w' command just few minutes ago and got rather strange > output of it. Notice the uptime and top's IDLE... Hm... > > The xterm with top in it starts automatically when my WindowMaker > starting. I type something in it rather rarely. So, this time I > have typed nothing yet and this seems to be the cause.. > > 7:52PM up 3 days, 3:12, 10 users, load averages: 1.22, 1.11, 1.08 > USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT > voland p1 :0.0 Mon04PM 2days less > voland p2 :0.0 Mon04PM 2days less > voland p3 :0.0 Mon04PM 25 zsh > voland p4 :0.0 Mon04PM - w > voland p5 :0.0 Mon04PM 6:13 zsh > voland p6 :0.0 Mon04PM 6days top > [... the rest skipped ...] I have noticed similair weirdness on 4.0-CURRENT with my Mozilla TinderBox which gets Autostarted by WindowMaker as well on login. Often after a fresh installworld ... rebooted to activate new kernel. Login and see an idle time of 9days. -- -------------------- Pascal Hofstee - daeron@shadowmere.student.utwente.nl -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d- s+: a-- C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W- N+ o? K- w--- O? M V? PS+ PE Y-- PGP-- t+ 5 X-- R tv+ b+ DI D- G e* h+ r- y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 12:35:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sonet.crimea.ua (OTC-sl3-FLY.CRIS.NET [212.110.136.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1DA156D0 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:34:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phantom@scorpion.crimea.ua) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sonet.crimea.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id WAA17828; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:41:12 +0300 (MSK) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by scorpion.crimea.ua (8.8.8/8.8.5+ssl+keepalive) id VAA10789; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:47:00 +0300 (MSK) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:47:00 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Marcin Cieslak Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UPDATING is sta(b)le? Message-ID: <20000106214700.B8088@scorpion.crimea.ua> References: <200001061733.KAA78121@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 06:49:50PM +0100, Marcin Cieslak wrote: > > This patch is missing a maintainer change :-) I don't do stable. > > So, who's doing? Anyone collected last STABLE HEADS UP messages > (I remember only last one about libc_r). Yep. hub.FreeBSD.org collected :) Feel free to browse -stable archive to find all HEAD UPs. -- /* Alexey Zelkin && phantom@cris.net */ /* Tavric National University && phantom@crimea.edu */ /* http://www.ccssu.crimea.ua/~phantom && phantom@FreeBSD.org */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 12:58:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tricord.system.pl (tricord.system.pl [195.205.185.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1816A15732 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:58:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from saper@system.pl) Received: from localhost (saper@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tricord.system.pl (SYSTEM Internet) with ESMTP id VAA07774; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:57:03 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:56:59 +0100 (MET) From: Marcin Cieslak To: Alexey Zelkin Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UPDATING is sta(b)le? In-Reply-To: <20000106214700.B8088@scorpion.crimea.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Alexey Zelkin wrote: > Yep. hub.FreeBSD.org collected :) Feel free to browse -stable archive to > find all HEAD UPs. ... which I already did and sent the patch to jkh & imp. I cannot find -stable archives after 1999-12-04, and before Y2K, however. -- << Marcin Cieslak // saper@system.pl >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- SYSTEM Internet Provider http://www.system.pl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 13: 0:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (ns.mt.sri.com [206.127.79.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF0714CB1 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:00:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA09564; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:00:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA29624; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:00:24 -0700 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:00:24 -0700 Message-Id: <200001062100.OAA29624@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Brad Knowles Cc: "Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe" , "David Wolfskill" , Subject: RE: Sendmail, 3.3-STABLE, relaying In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > ok, so how would i deny access to an entire C-Class? > > Put "198.64.0 REJECT" in your access database (substituting > the appropriate first three octets for the Class C network in > question, of course), and then re-run makemap to update the access > database. Ok, how do you do something like 206.17.79.128/25? Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 13:21:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gw.traicom.interhack.net (gw.traicom.interhack.net [206.103.243.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2A015960 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:21:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gravesp@traicom.interhack.net) Received: from traicom.interhack.net (issachar.traicom.interhack.net [192.168.1.1]) by gw.traicom.interhack.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18064; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:21:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gravesp@traicom.interhack.net) Message-ID: <38750759.57D25CE1@traicom.interhack.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 16:21:30 -0500 From: Paul Graves Organization: TraiCom Services, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Fumerola , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with Linux emulation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bill Fumerola wrote: > > What I'll try next is this: I'll rebuild the package in ~/ports/emulators > > and reinstall. That should do it, right? > > Hmmm. I'm trying to think what would have changed to make you need to do > that. It may work. Thanks for your pointer about the kernel/world thing being out of date. Here's what worked: *Deinstalling* /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base, rebuilding, and reinstalling the latest version. -- Paul L. Graves gravesp@traicom.interhack.net TraiCom Services, Inc. http://www.traicom.interhack.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 15:33:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dozer.skynet.be (dozer.skynet.be [195.238.2.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1730915768 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:33:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.19.145] (dialup145.brussels.skynet.be [195.238.19.145]) by dozer.skynet.be (8.9.3/odie-relay-v1.0) with ESMTP id AAA10603; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 00:32:14 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@foxbert.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200001062100.OAA29624@mt.sri.com> References: <200001062100.OAA29624@mt.sri.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 00:23:47 +0100 To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) From: Brad Knowles Subject: RE: Sendmail, 3.3-STABLE, relaying Cc: "Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe" , "David Wolfskill" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 2:00 PM -0700 2000/1/6, Nate Williams wrote: > Ok, how do you do something like 206.17.79.128/25? You list all the individual IP addresses that are in this CIDR block. Unfortunately, the method used by sendmail doesn't understand CIDR notation, and I don't think there's any way to make it understand CIDR notation short of some relatively significant source code modifications. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ____________________________________________________________________ |o| Brad Knowles, Belgacom Skynet NV/SA |o| |o| Systems Architect, News & FTP Admin Rue Col. Bourg, 124 |o| |o| Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.11.11/12.49 B-1140 Brussels |o| |o| http://www.skynet.be Belgium |o| \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Unix is like a wigwam -- no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside. Unix is very user-friendly. It's just picky who its friends are. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 16:10:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.twave.net (twave.net [206.100.228.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 15C8C14A0E for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:10:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brameld@twave.net) Received: from [208.219.234.21] by mail.twave.net (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.abwg) with ESMTP id ma692938 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 19:09:18 -0500 Message-ID: <38752F2F.9D2C1FE7@twave.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 19:11:27 -0500 From: Walter Brameld X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Install problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm about to have a brain hemmorhage now. I decided to redo my whole machine, Windows and FreeBSD, (each has it's own hard drive). Have installed Windows 98 now, but can't get FreeBSD to install! I don't have the cd's, I've done it from both ftp and a dos partition, but now can't get either one to work. Windows is on drive C:, attempting FreeBSD on drive D:. I had planned to do a minimal install, restore my /usr/src files, cvsup and rebuild. I have the directories C:\FREEBSD, C:\FREEBSD\bin with all the files, and C:\FREEBSD\floppies with all the files except the pccard directory. Install says it can't find a primary dos partition. When I redid the disk, I use Western Digital's EZBios, and believe that may be causing the problem. What is throwing me is not getting my dialup to work. After configuration, I go to ALT-F4, then dial. Everything goes fine until my isp sends back my dynamic address. I get the error (if memory serves....): PPp ON brameld> Phase: 206.203.119.32: Unacceptable address! (May have left part of it out) I then get lost carrier and disconnect. Does this whether I use PAP or do it through term. I have always been successful with this method in the past, and haven't a clue as to what is going wrong. ALT-F2 seems to be giving good message results, although I had never looked at it when things were working. If anyone has an idea as to what may be going wrong, I would appreciate whatever help you can provide. As a side note, I've tried this with both the 3.3 and 3.4 RELEASE disks. Thanks people. Walter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 17:32:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.twave.net (twave.net [206.100.228.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5ED5715797 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:32:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brameld@twave.net) Received: from [208.219.234.45] by mail.twave.net (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.abwg) with ESMTP id ya694276 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:26:15 -0500 Message-ID: <3875413A.76623073@twave.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 20:28:26 -0500 From: Walter Brameld X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Colin Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Install problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Colin wrote: > On 07-Jan-2000 Walter Brameld wrote: > > I'm about to have a brain hemmorhage now. I decided to redo my whole > > machine, Windows and FreeBSD, (each has it's own hard drive). Have > > installed Windows 98 now, but can't get FreeBSD to install! I don't have > > the cd's, I've done it from both ftp and a dos partition, but now can't > > get either one to work. Windows is on drive C:, attempting FreeBSD on > > drive D:. > > > > I had planned to do a minimal install, restore my /usr/src files, > > cvsup and rebuild. I have the directories C:\FREEBSD, C:\FREEBSD\bin > > with all the files, and C:\FREEBSD\floppies with all the files except > > the pccard directory. Install says it can't find a primary dos > > partition. When I redid the disk, I use Western Digital's EZBios, and > > believe that may be causing the problem. > > I could be wrong, but I would more likely guess that install is barfing on > the fat32 that Win uses by default. Someone else may know better than I if > FreeBSD install will work from that filesystem type ;) As well, from the docs > you have to start the install after booting to dos, not from a dos window. > That would be my second guess at the problem. That's not it. I'm installing using the kern and mfs root floppies, and the install worked fine before from Windows FAT32. As I haven't re-installed very much, I think I may just start over without EZBios. If I knew where the da***ed was installed, I would just kill that. Tried fdisk /mbr, no luck. > > > > > > What is throwing me is not getting my dialup to work. After > > configuration, I go to ALT-F4, then dial. Everything goes fine until my > > isp sends back my dynamic address. I get the error (if memory > > serves....): > > > > PPp ON brameld> Phase: 206.203.119.32: Unacceptable address! (May have > > left part of it out) > > > > I then get lost carrier and disconnect. Does this whether I use PAP > > or do it through term. I have always been successful with this method in > > the past, and haven't a clue as to what is going wrong. ALT-F2 seems to > > be giving good message results, although I had never looked at it when > > things were working. > > > > This, unfortunately, I can't help with given that error message. Maybe > netmask? > > ---------------------------------- > E-Mail: Colin > Date: 06-Jan-2000 > Time: 20:11:32 > > This message was sent by XFMail > ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 19:16:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc3.on.home.com (ha1.rdc3.on.home.com [24.2.9.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF5615784 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 19:16:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cwass99@home.com) Received: from tristan.net ([24.114.108.234]) by mail.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with ESMTP id <20000107011735.BDRB7552.mail.rdc3.on.home.com@tristan.net>; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:17:35 -0800 Content-Length: 2071 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <38752F2F.9D2C1FE7@twave.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 20:16:33 -0500 (EST) From: Colin To: Walter Brameld Subject: RE: Install problems Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 07-Jan-2000 Walter Brameld wrote: > I'm about to have a brain hemmorhage now. I decided to redo my whole > machine, Windows and FreeBSD, (each has it's own hard drive). Have > installed Windows 98 now, but can't get FreeBSD to install! I don't have > the cd's, I've done it from both ftp and a dos partition, but now can't > get either one to work. Windows is on drive C:, attempting FreeBSD on > drive D:. > > I had planned to do a minimal install, restore my /usr/src files, > cvsup and rebuild. I have the directories C:\FREEBSD, C:\FREEBSD\bin > with all the files, and C:\FREEBSD\floppies with all the files except > the pccard directory. Install says it can't find a primary dos > partition. When I redid the disk, I use Western Digital's EZBios, and > believe that may be causing the problem. I could be wrong, but I would more likely guess that install is barfing on the fat32 that Win uses by default. Someone else may know better than I if FreeBSD install will work from that filesystem type ;) As well, from the docs you have to start the install after booting to dos, not from a dos window. That would be my second guess at the problem. > > What is throwing me is not getting my dialup to work. After > configuration, I go to ALT-F4, then dial. Everything goes fine until my > isp sends back my dynamic address. I get the error (if memory > serves....): > > PPp ON brameld> Phase: 206.203.119.32: Unacceptable address! (May have > left part of it out) > > I then get lost carrier and disconnect. Does this whether I use PAP > or do it through term. I have always been successful with this method in > the past, and haven't a clue as to what is going wrong. ALT-F2 seems to > be giving good message results, although I had never looked at it when > things were working. > This, unfortunately, I can't help with given that error message. Maybe netmask? ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Colin Date: 06-Jan-2000 Time: 20:11:32 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 19:34:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hobart.southcom.com.au (hobart.southcom.com.au [203.60.16.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B17914F10 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 19:34:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shevlandj@kpi.com.au) Received: from elite (dhcp25.office.southcom.com.au [203.39.132.25]) by hobart.southcom.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA80070 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:27:06 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from shevlandj@kpi.com.au) Message-ID: <01e301bf5956$420756e0$198427cb@kpi.com.au> From: "Joe Shevland" To: Subject: /stand/sysinstall - Install Options Saving? Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:28:36 -0800 Organization: KPI Logistics Pty Ltd MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I believe this should be a stable issue as I haven't encountered it before, sorry if not. uname -a reports: 'FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE #0: Mon Dec 27 13:34:45 EST 1999 root@host:/kpi/src/sys/compile/W WW i386' (What a mouthful. Shouldn't it be shorter? I think this is a result of my tracking stable, can I alter this without recompiling?) i) My sysinstall doesn't seem to save the options settings which I believe it always has in the past (between invocations of it, it keeps them for the session). In particular, I'm trying to change it to an FTP media source as opposed to CD-ROM. It always reverts, even though the option says to save changes. Am I doing something wrong? Also, F1 in the options screen appears to drop it to the main menu instead of giving help... Apart from that there's no real errors messages apart from the fact that it always fails to read /dev/acd0 upon starting because its still looking for CD-ROM. ii) Off topic and niggly, but when I attempt to install ports off 'releng3', I need to constantly change the release name to 3.4-yyyymmdd-STABLE. Is this the hard way around?... wouldn't it easier to symlink 3.4-STABLE to that directory? Cheers and Happy New Year to all, Joe. --- Joe Shevland Principal Consultant KPI Logistics Pty Ltd mailto:shevlandj@kpi.com.au http://www.kpi.com.au 'I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it.' -- Mae West To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 20:27:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ktts.kharkov.ua (ktts.kharkov.ua [193.124.57.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8C414E8E for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:27:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tosh@assa.vl.net.ua) Received: from assa.vl.net.ua (assa.vl.net.ua [193.124.76.15]) by ktts.kharkov.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA18516 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 06:09:44 +0200 (EET) Received: from assa ([192.168.1.1]) by assa.vl.net.ua with esmtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 126QiX-0000Dg-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 06:09:37 +0200 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 06:09:37 +0200 (EET) From: Anton X-Sender: tosh@assa To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: gdb coredumps Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hello. in 3.3-stable (cvsuped 29311999), when i do 'gdb -c somed.core somed', i have gdb's coredump. somed -- my programm, somed.core -- dumped, when one of child processes do some incorrect with memory. (strcpy() with one parameter is NULL) it's right? anton. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 6 21:12:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74CCB14BDC for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:12:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15206 for stable@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:42:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200001070442.VAA15206@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: first sighting To: stable@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:42:04 -0700 (MST) Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My 3.4-RELEASE CD set arrived today. Fresh with a January 2000 date on the cover. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 3:30:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 9279F156D3; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 03:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC4D1CD82A; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 03:30:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 03:30:10 -0800 (PST) From: Kris Kennaway To: Coleman Kane Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Making -STABLE In-Reply-To: <20000105105458.A73118@evil.2y.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Coleman Kane wrote: > Hi, I have made the PGCC 2.95.1 port and tried to compile the new > stable system with it. Before I get flamed for this, I know that the > sources are still made If you want to use a nonstandard compiler, you're pretty much on your own - the only supported one is /usr/bin/cc, which is gcc 2.7.2.3 for 3.x, and gcc 2.95.2 for 4.0. I doubt 3.x will get a compiler update, as everyone has much more important things to do right now, like stabilizing 4.0 for the forthcoming release :-) Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 3:34:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 1A74C15656; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 03:34:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092D91CD82A; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 03:34:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 03:34:11 -0800 (PST) From: Kris Kennaway To: Gregory Bond Cc: ports@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Patch] hylafax port stats not Y2K In-Reply-To: <200001032246.JAA26513@lightning.itga.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Jan 2000, Gregory Bond wrote: > Hylafax 4.0.2 on freeBSD 3.4-STABLE. > > The stats reporting from hylafax is not y2k-safe. Patch follows. The port is currently marked BROKEN anyway because it has an exploitable buffer overflow yielding uid uucp..is there a new version which fixes this? Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 5: 8:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from m0.cs.berkeley.edu (m0.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.45.176]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8DC156B8; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 05:08:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@stampede.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (sji-ca7-252.ix.netcom.com [209.109.235.252]) by m0.cs.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA59013; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 05:08:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@stampede.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.6.9) id FAA55982; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 05:07:50 -0800 (PST) To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Gregory Bond , ports@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Patch] hylafax port stats not Y2K References: From: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) Date: 07 Jan 2000 05:07:41 -0800 In-Reply-To: Kris Kennaway's message of "Fri, 7 Jan 2000 03:34:11 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * From: Kris Kennaway * The port is currently marked BROKEN anyway because it has an exploitable * buffer overflow yielding uid uucp..is there a new version which fixes Yikes, that should have been FORBIDDEN. BROKEN means "doesn't compile" so the package building machine tries it anyway. I committed the BROKEN -> FORBIDDEN change. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 6:57:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from blackdawn.com (deepspace9.dcds.edu [207.231.151.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D58514DA6 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 06:57:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: (from will@localhost) by blackdawn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00520; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 09:56:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from will) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <857lhn81ut.fsf@eagle.plab.ku.dk> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 09:56:28 -0500 (EST) From: will andrews To: Vadim Belman Subject: RE: w weirdness Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 06-Jan-00 Vadim Belman wrote: > > I executed 'w' command just few minutes ago and got rather strange > output of it. Notice the uptime and top's IDLE... Hm... > > The xterm with top in it starts automatically when my WindowMaker > starting. I type something in it rather rarely. So, this time I > have typed nothing yet and this seems to be the cause.. > > 7:52PM up 3 days, 3:12, 10 users, load averages: 1.22, 1.11, 1.08 > USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT > voland p1 :0.0 Mon04PM 2days less > voland p2 :0.0 Mon04PM 2days less > voland p3 :0.0 Mon04PM 25 zsh > voland p4 :0.0 Mon04PM - w > voland p5 :0.0 Mon04PM 6:13 zsh > voland p6 :0.0 Mon04PM 6days top > [... the rest skipped ...] > -- > /Voland Vadim Belman > E-mail: voland@plab.ku.dk I run WindowMaker myself, and get the same problem: <2 133-0> (00-01-07 9:54:30) [will@argon ~]% w 9:54AM up 14 mins, 6 users, load averages: 1.23, 1.03, 0.62 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT will v0 - 9:43AM 10 xinit /home/will/.xini will p0 unix:0 9:43AM 3days xtail /var/log will p1 unix:0 9:43AM 3days top will p2 unix:0 9:44AM 1 blackened Acme irc.min will p3 unix:0 9:49AM 4 -zsh (zsh) will p4 unix:0 9:54AM - w <2 134-0> (00-01-07 9:54:30) [will@argon ~]% I suspect it's either WindowMaker's fault, or it's a problem in logout(3) or some other utmp(5)-based functions. I've seen other reports of it. I'm going to try bringing up the topic in the WindowMaker forum and see what comes up. -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 7: 4:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F0915682 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 07:04:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 126ase-000Lpk-00; Fri, 07 Jan 2000 17:00:44 +0200 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 17:00:44 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: will andrews Cc: Vadim Belman , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: w weirdness Message-ID: <20000107170044.C82412@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <857lhn81ut.fsf@eagle.plab.ku.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri 2000-01-07 (09:56), will andrews wrote: > <2 133-0> (00-01-07 9:54:30) [will@argon ~]% w > 9:54AM up 14 mins, 6 users, load averages: 1.23, 1.03, 0.62 > USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT > will v0 - 9:43AM 10 xinit /home/will/.xini > will p0 unix:0 9:43AM 3days xtail /var/log > will p1 unix:0 9:43AM 3days top > will p2 unix:0 9:44AM 1 blackened Acme irc.min > will p3 unix:0 9:49AM 4 -zsh (zsh) > will p4 unix:0 9:54AM - w > <2 134-0> (00-01-07 9:54:30) [will@argon ~]% > > I suspect it's either WindowMaker's fault, or it's a problem in > logout(3) or some other utmp(5)-based functions. I've seen other > reports of it. I'm going to try bringing up the topic in the > WindowMaker forum and see what comes up. Are you sure it just isn't the devices not having their atime increased, and thus last being accessed before your last reboot, and thus having a higher idle than your uptime? Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 8:28:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from btw.plaintalk.bellevue.wa.us (btw-xl1.plaintalk.bellevue.wa.us [206.129.5.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED0414DA3 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:26:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis.glatting@software-munitions.com) Received: from software-munitions.com (fwiw.plaintalk.bellevue.wa.us [206.129.5.157]) by btw.plaintalk.bellevue.wa.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25756 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:26:16 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: btw.plaintalk.bellevue.wa.us: Host fwiw.plaintalk.bellevue.wa.us [206.129.5.157] claimed to be software-munitions.com Message-ID: <387613A8.A71D376B@software-munitions.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 08:26:16 -0800 From: Dennis Glatting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Question about GDB and threads Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there a tutorial on how to use GDB in a threaded app under 3.4? It appears that GDB doesn't handle threads very well and I am assuming the problem is me. Also, there seems to be a thread related problem somewhere in gethostbyname() in 3.4 even when using the libraries directly from BIND 8.2.2-P5. What is happening is a timeout is occurring in the DNS lookup but the library never returns. It would be handy of the libraries supported gethostbyname_r() where you pass a host struct (the one in bind 8.2.2-P5 merly calls gethostbyname()). -dpg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 11:21:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat200.60.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.200.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9126914CB4 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:21:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA07190 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:21:46 -0400 (AST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:21:46 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Named: Too many open files? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm getting the following when I startup named on my server, which is current 3.4-STABLE as of this week: Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: deleting interface [216.126.85.250].53 Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: deleting interface [216.126.85.251].53 Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: deleting interface [216.126.85.252].53 Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: deleting interface [216.126.85.253].53 Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files Why? roots limit shows 4196 descriptors, and I definitely don't have *that* many files to deal with... Thanks... Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 11:25:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.uunet.ca (mail2.uunet.ca [142.77.1.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A230114CC1 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:25:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET) Received: from w01.arpa-canada.net ([216.95.146.6]) by mail2.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <599958-28857>; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:22:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:24:52 -0500 From: matt X-Sender: matt@w01.arpa-canada.net To: The Hermit Hacker Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Named: Too many open files? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Last I checked, bind limits to 1024 on startup by default, if not specified else where: Dec 30 03:36:28 s01 named[898]: starting. named 8.2.2-P5 Mon Nov 15 06:09:07 EST 1999 admin@s01.arpa-canada.net:/usr/ports/net/bind8/work/src/bin/named Dec 30 03:36:28 s01 named[898]: limit files set to fdlimit (1024) admin[s01]:~# limit |grep descriptors descriptors 16424 Matt On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, The Hermit Hacker wrote: : Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:21:46 -0500 : From: The Hermit Hacker : To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org : Subject: Named: Too many open files? : : : I'm getting the following when I startup named on my server, which is : current 3.4-STABLE as of this week: : : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: deleting interface [216.126.85.250].53 : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: deleting interface [216.126.85.251].53 : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: deleting interface [216.126.85.252].53 : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: deleting interface [216.126.85.253].53 : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files : : Why? roots limit shows 4196 descriptors, and I definitely don't have : *that* many files to deal with... : : Thanks... : : Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy : Systems Administrator @ hub.org : primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org : : : : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org : with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 11:27:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 88AEC14E22; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:27:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767D81CD82A; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:27:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:27:15 -0800 (PST) From: Kris Kennaway To: Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami Cc: Gregory Bond , ports@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Patch] hylafax port stats not Y2K In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 7 Jan 2000, Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami wrote: > * From: Kris Kennaway > > * The port is currently marked BROKEN anyway because it has an exploitable > * buffer overflow yielding uid uucp..is there a new version which fixes > > Yikes, that should have been FORBIDDEN. BROKEN means "doesn't > compile" so the package building machine tries it anyway. > > I committed the BROKEN -> FORBIDDEN change. D'oh! Mea maxima culpa. I was the one who suggested building BROKEN packages, as well as the one who committed the BROKEN tag :-) Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 11:48:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat200.60.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.200.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B6A14E2A for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:48:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA07406; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:48:11 -0400 (AST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:48:11 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: matt Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Named: Too many open files? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Okay, now how do I raise it? According to the bind-users mailing list, specifically: http://www.isc.org/ml-archives/bind-users/1999/12/msg00825.html they seem to imply that this is an OS set limit? Thanks... On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, matt wrote: > > Last I checked, bind limits to 1024 on startup by default, if not > specified else where: > > Dec 30 03:36:28 s01 named[898]: starting. named 8.2.2-P5 Mon Nov 15 06:09:07 > EST 1999 admin@s01.arpa-canada.net:/usr/ports/net/bind8/work/src/bin/named > Dec 30 03:36:28 s01 named[898]: limit files set to fdlimit (1024) > > admin[s01]:~# limit |grep descriptors > descriptors 16424 > > Matt > > On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > : Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:21:46 -0500 > : From: The Hermit Hacker > : To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > : Subject: Named: Too many open files? > : > : > : I'm getting the following when I startup named on my server, which is > : current 3.4-STABLE as of this week: > : > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: deleting interface [216.126.85.250].53 > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: deleting interface [216.126.85.251].53 > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: deleting interface [216.126.85.252].53 > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: deleting interface [216.126.85.253].53 > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files > : > : Why? roots limit shows 4196 descriptors, and I definitely don't have > : *that* many files to deal with... > : > : Thanks... > : > : Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy > : Systems Administrator @ hub.org > : primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > : > : > : > : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > : with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > : > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 11:53:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail6.uunet.ca (mail6.uunet.ca [142.77.1.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935A9150CF for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:53:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET) Received: from w01.arpa-canada.net ([216.95.146.6]) by mail6.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <233030-11774>; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:53:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:53:04 -0500 From: matt X-Sender: matt@w01.arpa-canada.net To: The Hermit Hacker Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Named: Too many open files? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yes, it does look that way. I'm not quite sure about this, perhaps it is a compile time option, or perhaps it uses fd_setsize for it's default a la ircd. I'll see what I can dig up in the meantime though. Matt On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, The Hermit Hacker wrote: : Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:48:11 -0500 : From: The Hermit Hacker : To: matt : Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org : Subject: Re: Named: Too many open files? : : : Okay, now how do I raise it? According to the bind-users mailing list, : specifically: : : http://www.isc.org/ml-archives/bind-users/1999/12/msg00825.html : : they seem to imply that this is an OS set limit? : : Thanks... : : On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, matt wrote: : : > : > Last I checked, bind limits to 1024 on startup by default, if not : > specified else where: : > : > Dec 30 03:36:28 s01 named[898]: starting. named 8.2.2-P5 Mon Nov 15 06:09:07 : > EST 1999 admin@s01.arpa-canada.net:/usr/ports/net/bind8/work/src/bin/named : > Dec 30 03:36:28 s01 named[898]: limit files set to fdlimit (1024) : > : > admin[s01]:~# limit |grep descriptors : > descriptors 16424 : > : > Matt : > : > On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, The Hermit Hacker wrote: : > : > : Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:21:46 -0500 : > : From: The Hermit Hacker : > : To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org : > : Subject: Named: Too many open files? : > : : > : : > : I'm getting the following when I startup named on my server, which is : > : current 3.4-STABLE as of this week: : > : : > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files : > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: deleting interface [216.126.85.250].53 : > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files : > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: deleting interface [216.126.85.251].53 : > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files : > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: deleting interface [216.126.85.252].53 : > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files : > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: deleting interface [216.126.85.253].53 : > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files : > : : > : Why? roots limit shows 4196 descriptors, and I definitely don't have : > : *that* many files to deal with... : > : : > : Thanks... : > : : > : Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy : > : Systems Administrator @ hub.org : > : primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org : > : : > : : > : : > : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org : > : with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message : > : : > : : Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy : Systems Administrator @ hub.org : primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org : : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 12:17:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat200.60.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.200.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D0A158F9 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:15:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA07662; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:15:30 -0400 (AST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:15:30 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: matt Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Named: Too many open files? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG got it...I had it listening on >500 IPs for requests :( Added a 'listen-to:' directive to options in /etc/named.conf, and the error disappears completely... Thanks... On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, matt wrote: > > Yes, it does look that way. I'm not quite sure about this, perhaps it is a > compile time option, or perhaps it uses fd_setsize for it's default a la > ircd. I'll see what I can dig up in the meantime though. > > Matt > > On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > : Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:48:11 -0500 > : From: The Hermit Hacker > : To: matt > : Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > : Subject: Re: Named: Too many open files? > : > : > : Okay, now how do I raise it? According to the bind-users mailing list, > : specifically: > : > : http://www.isc.org/ml-archives/bind-users/1999/12/msg00825.html > : > : they seem to imply that this is an OS set limit? > : > : Thanks... > : > : On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, matt wrote: > : > : > > : > Last I checked, bind limits to 1024 on startup by default, if not > : > specified else where: > : > > : > Dec 30 03:36:28 s01 named[898]: starting. named 8.2.2-P5 Mon Nov 15 06:09:07 > : > EST 1999 admin@s01.arpa-canada.net:/usr/ports/net/bind8/work/src/bin/named > : > Dec 30 03:36:28 s01 named[898]: limit files set to fdlimit (1024) > : > > : > admin[s01]:~# limit |grep descriptors > : > descriptors 16424 > : > > : > Matt > : > > : > On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > : > > : > : Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:21:46 -0500 > : > : From: The Hermit Hacker > : > : To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > : > : Subject: Named: Too many open files? > : > : > : > : > : > : I'm getting the following when I startup named on my server, which is > : > : current 3.4-STABLE as of this week: > : > : > : > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files > : > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: deleting interface [216.126.85.250].53 > : > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files > : > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: deleting interface [216.126.85.251].53 > : > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files > : > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: deleting interface [216.126.85.252].53 > : > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files > : > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: deleting interface [216.126.85.253].53 > : > : Jan 7 14:20:09 hub named[17858]: socket(SOCK_DGRAM): Too many open files > : > : > : > : Why? roots limit shows 4196 descriptors, and I definitely don't have > : > : *that* many files to deal with... > : > : > : > : Thanks... > : > : > : > : Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy > : > : Systems Administrator @ hub.org > : > : primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > : > : with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > : > : > : > > : > : Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy > : Systems Administrator @ hub.org > : primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > : > : > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 12:28:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8699C14EF0 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:28:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsletten@nova.org) Received: from fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA13577 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by fcac.org (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id PAA20450; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:28:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:28:03 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Sletten To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: OSS under 3.4 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I recently cvsup'ed to 3.4 and my OSS drivers stopped working. The soundon utility just hangs. I downloaded the new version that supposedly support 3.4 from 4Front but I get the same behavior. Has anyone else run into this? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 12:34: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from math.udel.edu (math.udel.edu [128.175.16.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F9A14C8F for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:34:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from schwenk@math.udel.edu) Received: from math.udel.edu (sisyphus.math.udel.edu [128.175.16.167]) by math.udel.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA09213; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:34:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38764DB7.A777888C@math.udel.edu> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 15:34:00 -0500 From: Peter Schwenk Organization: University of Delaware X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de, ko MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Sletten Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OSS under 3.4 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've got OSS loading up in a script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d. I named the script something like '_oss.sh' so it would run first. Sometimes on boot it appears like it won't load (displays a message about not being able to allocate a DMA buffer), but it tries again and succeeds. I'm running 3.4-STABLE. Brian Sletten wrote: > I recently cvsup'ed to 3.4 and my OSS drivers stopped working. The soundon > utility just hangs. I downloaded the new version that supposedly support > 3.4 from 4Front but I get the same behavior. > > Has anyone else run into this? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- PETER SCHWENK | UNIX System Administrator Department of Mathematical Sciences | University of Delaware schwenk@math.udel.edu | (302)831-0437 <-NEW!!! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 12:35: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kci.kciLink.com (kci.kciLink.com [204.117.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CB014C49 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:35:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: from onceler.kcilink.com (onceler.kciLink.com [204.117.82.2]) by kci.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1AADE8A8; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:35:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from khera@localhost) by onceler.kcilink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA66948; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:35:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from khera@kci.kcilink.com) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14454.19956.788338.464924@onceler.kcilink.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:35:00 -0500 (EST) To: Brian Sletten Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OSS under 3.4 In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 8) "Bryce Canyon" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "BS" == Brian Sletten writes: BS> I recently cvsup'ed to 3.4 and my OSS drivers stopped working. The soundon BS> utility just hangs. I downloaded the new version that supposedly support BS> 3.4 from 4Front but I get the same behavior. I've been running 3.4-STABLE for about a month with 4front OSS drivers. The only problem I ran into was if I had other kernel modules load first, it would fail to load. My solution is to make all kernel stuff built-in and then the only module is the screen saver and OSS. Every so often it fails to load but generally it works quite well. I'm running an ESS Solo-1 sound chip on the motherboard of this little box. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 12:44:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shell.webmaster.com (mail.webmaster.com [209.133.28.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D72C14C4B for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:44:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from davids@webmaster.com) Received: from whenever ([209.133.29.2]) by shell.webmaster.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id com; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:44:30 -0800 From: "David Schwartz" To: "The Hermit Hacker" , "matt" Cc: Subject: RE: Named: Too many open files? Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:44:30 -0800 Message-ID: <000301bf594f$febde710$021d85d1@youwant.to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Okay, now how do I raise it? According to the bind-users mailing list, > specifically: > > http://www.isc.org/ml-archives/bind-users/1999/12/msg00825.html > > they seem to imply that this is an OS set limit? > > Thanks... 1) With bind-8, you can set the address the name server responds on. I don't think you need it to respond on every address the system allows. 2) You can do a 'ulimit -n 16384' before you run named. 3) You still might be limited to the FD_SETSIZE, in which case you need to recomile named with '-DFD_SETSIZE=16384'. Better would be to modify named not to use anything related to FD_SETSIZE (assuming it does). DS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 12:50:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFC514EB1 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:50:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bsdx@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA38893; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:50:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:50:37 -0500 (EST) From: Adam To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: first sighting In-Reply-To: <200001070442.VAA15206@freeway.dcfinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Officials in Michigan have also made a sighting. On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Chad R. Larson wrote: >My 3.4-RELEASE CD set arrived today. Fresh with a January >2000 date on the cover. > > -crl >-- >Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? >chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net >DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 13: 6: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.57.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FBF914EE3 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:05:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vev@michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 506 invoked by uid 1001); 7 Jan 2000 21:05:55 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 16:05:55 -0500 (EST) X-Face: *0^4Iw) To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: first sighting Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 07-Jan-00 Adam wrote: > Officials in Michigan have also made a sighting. Yep, also in Michigan and also a sighting. Vince. > > On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Chad R. Larson wrote: > >>My 3.4-RELEASE CD set arrived today. Fresh with a January >>2000 date on the cover. >> >> -crl >>-- >>Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? >>chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net >>DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 >> >> >>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message >> > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net 128K ISDN: $24.95/mo or less - 56K Dialup: $17.95/mo or less at Pop4 Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 13: 9:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66C315068 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:09:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17978; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:09:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA88562; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:09:16 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200001072109.OAA88562@harmony.village.org> To: Adam Subject: Re: first sighting Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Jan 2000 15:50:37 EST." References: Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 14:09:16 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Adam writes: : Officials in Michigan have also made a sighting. They have hit the streets. My company got theirs today and I got mine yesterday. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 13:18:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pan.ch.intel.com (pan.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94F3150E6 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:18:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by pan.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.17 2000/01/06 00:19:44 nzand Exp $) with ESMTP id OAA22744 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:18:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.8 1999/04/16 15:25:49 steved Exp steved $) with ESMTP id OAA14495 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:18:52 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-To: X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id QAA14944; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:18:51 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14454.22587.233583.32022@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:18:51 -0700 (MST) To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Subscriptions - (was Re: first sighting ) X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.11 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ On Friday, January 7, Warner Losh wrote: ] > : Officials in Michigan have also made a sighting. > > They have hit the streets. My company got theirs today and I got mine > yesterday. > > Warner Yup, I got mine too and a question has come to mind: Will there be a 3.5 release after 4.0 is released? If so, what will Walnut Creek do with subscription customers? At this point I only keep my subscription to pump money into the FreeBSD project but my pockets have limits. I would not want to get a 4.0 CD set and get a 3.5 CD set. I assume this would not happen ... I remember back when 3.0 was released, we had to call up Walnut Creek and tell them to make 3.0 our next CD set rather than 2.2.8 because the two were being released so closely together. We didn't get anymore releases along the 2.2.x branch, but might we with 3.x beyond 3.4? Thoughts? -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 13:44:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28FD4157FA for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:44:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18317; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:42:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: John Reynolds~ Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Subscriptions - (was Re: first sighting ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Jan 2000 14:18:51 MST." <14454.22587.233583.32022@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 13:42:50 -0800 Message-ID: <18315.947281370@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Yup, I got mine too and a question has come to mind: Will there be a 3.5 > release after 4.0 is released? If so, what will Walnut Creek do with > subscription customers? At this point I only keep my subscription to pump > money into the FreeBSD project but my pockets have limits. I would not want t o > get a 4.0 CD set and get a 3.5 CD set. I assume this would not happen ... Same deal as with the 2.2.x / 3.x parallel track. You'll be sent subscription CDs from the 3.X track until such time as you elect to switch and tell the folks at orders@cdrom.com (or call +1 925 674 0783) about it. If you don't elect to switch, you'll be sent 3.X releases until those stop, probably sometime around 3.7, and then get moved automatically to the 4.X track. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 13:46:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pan.ch.intel.com (pan.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3230C14CAC for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:46:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by pan.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.17 2000/01/06 00:19:44 nzand Exp $) with ESMTP id OAA27672; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:46:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.8 1999/04/16 15:25:49 steved Exp steved $) with ESMTP id OAA20715; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:46:17 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id QAA16026; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:46:16 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14454.24231.752320.640260@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:46:15 -0700 (MST) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Subscriptions - (was Re: first sighting ) In-Reply-To: <18315.947281370@zippy.cdrom.com> References: <14454.22587.233583.32022@hip186.ch.intel.com> <18315.947281370@zippy.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.11 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ On Friday, January 7, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: ] > > Same deal as with the 2.2.x / 3.x parallel track. You'll be sent > subscription CDs from the 3.X track until such time as you elect to > switch and tell the folks at orders@cdrom.com (or call +1 925 674 > 0783) about it. If you don't elect to switch, you'll be sent 3.X > releases until those stop, probably sometime around 3.7, and then get > moved automatically to the 4.X track. > OK, thanks. That definitely answers the question. I didn't know if further 3.x releases were going to go on in parallel since 2.2.x faded with 2.2.8. Thanks for the info! -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 14:24:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wcn4.wcnet.net (mail.wcnet.net [216.88.248.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A1314DD8 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:24:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jestess@wcnet.net) Received: from wcnet.net [216.88.253.58] by wcn4.wcnet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A7882C89016E; Fri, 07 Jan 2000 16:24:08 -0600 Message-ID: <3876670A.8622683@wcnet.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 16:22:02 -0600 From: John Estess Organization: compulsive or none, depending on the day X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 4.4 BSD forever? References: <14454.22587.233583.32022@hip186.ch.intel.com> <18315.947281370@zippy.cdrom.com> <14454.24231.752320.640260@hip186.ch.intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is FreeBSD ever going to get past 4.4? In a nostalgic way, it would be cool if the series ended at 4.4 with all other increments being noted by some other method, such as city names. You could have 4.4 Amsterdam, 4.4 Bangkok, 4.4 Caracas, etc..., as well as the old favorites of Reno and Tahoe somewhere in there. It could signify the FreeBSD group's gift to the world. Something tells me to shut up and start my weekend in style, but I just had to ask if this was ever considered. -- _/ _/_/_/ || John Estess _/ _/ _/_/ || jestess@wcnet.net _/_/_/ _/_/_/ || To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 14:38:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D51156B8 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:38:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18596; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:38:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: John Estess Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.4 BSD forever? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Jan 2000 16:22:02 CST." <3876670A.8622683@wcnet.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 14:38:31 -0800 Message-ID: <18594.947284711@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Is FreeBSD ever going to get past 4.4? In a nostalgic way, it would be Yes, FreeBSD is going to get past 4.4. As much as I admire your idea for its style, I think our release names are going to be selected more on their mathematic than their asthetic values. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 15:32:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.111.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A45115879 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:32:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at) Received: from [128.130.111.37] (alphard [128.130.111.37]) by vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA20047 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 00:32:43 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 00:32:42 +0100 (MET) From: Gerald Pfeifer To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.4 BSD forever? In-Reply-To: <18594.947284711@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> Is FreeBSD ever going to get past 4.4? In a nostalgic way [...] > Yes, FreeBSD is going to get past 4.4. Not in this Millenium, though. ;-) Gerald -- Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 15:33:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B598814F86 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:33:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18653; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:33:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA89949; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:33:30 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200001072333.QAA89949@harmony.village.org> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: 4.4 BSD forever? Cc: John Estess , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Jan 2000 14:38:31 PST." <18594.947284711@zippy.cdrom.com> References: <18594.947284711@zippy.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 16:33:30 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <18594.947284711@zippy.cdrom.com> "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: : > Is FreeBSD ever going to get past 4.4? In a nostalgic way, it would be : : Yes, FreeBSD is going to get past 4.4. As much as I admire your idea : for its style, I think our release names are going to be selected more : on their mathematic than their asthetic values. :-) The OpenBSD folks considered and rejected both "4.5" and "5.0" as their first release number. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 15:33:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6B8158E1 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:33:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06549; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 00:33:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200001072333.AAA06549@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: 4.4 BSD forever? In-Reply-To: <18594.947284711@zippy.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Jan 7, 2000 02:38:31 pm" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 00:33:54 +0100 (CET) Cc: John Estess , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Is FreeBSD ever going to get past 4.4? In a nostalgic way, it would be > > Yes, FreeBSD is going to get past 4.4. As much as I admire your idea > for its style, I think our release names are going to be selected more > on their mathematic than their asthetic values. :-) especially because unlike latex and tex, we don't have any important irrational number like e or pi starting with 4 which would give us an infinite supply of digits... cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 19:34: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.greatbasin.net (mail.greatbasin.net [207.228.35.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4CDE1512E for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 19:33:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@jgl.reno.nv.us) Received: from jgl.reno.nv.us (rno-max9-51.gbis.net [207.228.62.115]) by mail.greatbasin.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08893; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 19:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from danco (danco.home [10.0.0.2]) by jgl.reno.nv.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA08757; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 19:33:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@jgl.reno.nv.us) Message-ID: <010501bf5989$2c4b7ec0$0200000a@danco.home> From: "Dan O'Connor" To: "John Estess" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Subject: Re: 4.4 BSD forever? Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 19:09:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Yes, FreeBSD is going to get past 4.4. As much as I admire your idea >for its style, I think our release names are going to be selected more >on their mathematic than their asthetic values. :-) What? An operating system who's version level actually means what it says? Inconceivable! So, you're saying I can stop waiting for FreeBSD 2000 SP5 OSR2.5 SE to come out??? --Dan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 19:47:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC84152A6 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 19:47:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rjoseph@nwlink.com) Received: from nwlink.com (ip41.r16.d.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.176.41]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25598 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 19:47:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3876B280.15FB6B7D@nwlink.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 19:44:00 -0800 From: R Joseph Wright X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OSS under 3.4 References: <38764DB7.A777888C@math.udel.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Schwenk wrote: > > I've got OSS loading up in a script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d. I named the > script something like '_oss.sh' so it would run first. Sometimes on boot it > appears like it won't load (displays a message about not being able to > allocate a DMA buffer), but it tries again and succeeds. I'm running > 3.4-STABLE. Mine very often gives that same message about the DMA buffer when I boot. I wrote to the tech support and they said it was a known bug in FreeBSD. The solution is to run soundoff and then soundon again to reload it until you succeed. But I never do. Even with the error message, the sound still works. > Brian Sletten wrote: > > > I recently cvsup'ed to 3.4 and my OSS drivers stopped working. The soundon > > utility just hangs. I downloaded the new version that supposedly support > > 3.4 from 4Front but I get the same behavior. I updated to 3.4 and I have no problems. Sorry I can't help. Write to their tech support, they have always been very prompt and helpful for me. -- Best Regards, Joseph You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm. Colette. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 22:12: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wcn4.wcnet.net (mail.wcnet.net [216.88.248.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A79150E3 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 22:11:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jestess@wcnet.net) Received: from wcnet.net [216.88.253.15] by wcn4.wcnet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A50A40C300CE; Sat, 08 Jan 2000 00:11:22 -0600 Message-ID: <3876D48E.8046C35@wcnet.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 00:09:18 -0600 From: John Estess Organization: compulsive or none, depending on the day X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.4 BSD forever? References: <010501bf5989$2c4b7ec0$0200000a@danco.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dan O'Connor wrote: > > >Yes, FreeBSD is going to get past 4.4. As much as I admire your idea > >for its style, I think our release names are going to be selected more > >on their mathematic than their asthetic values. :-) > > What? An operating system who's version level actually means what it says? > Inconceivable! But what does the version number really mean? Very little. In a world where 3.1 precedes to 95 (MS), where 4 precedes 7 (Slackware), where original releases start with 5 or 6 (Mandrake and Suse, I believe - DQM), what do you think release numbers signify? Not much. I'm glad FreeBSD has the integrity to sequence their releases in a logical manner, but this isn't required, is somewhat unexpected, and is really boring. There is a certain amount of romance attached to the 4.4-BSD name. As far as designating a release, a name is only a name, whether it be a sequence number (4.4) or a real moniker (Reno). People will tend to know the current (usual meaning) distribution in either case, and that is what matters. I think a sequence that proceeds alphabetically by first letter makes just as much sense as a numerical scheme, but it also strongly associates FreeBSD with its roots in the minds of its uses and potential users, so along with being romantically nostalgic, it could be a marketing ploy. Besides, wouldn't Kirk M. and the other BSD grandpops just *%^& if their baby never made it past 4.4? Tribute or torture? Who knows? _/ _/_/_/ || John Estess _/ _/ _/_/ || jestess@wcnet.net _/_/_/ _/_/_/ || To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 7 23: 4:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBF5158EE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 23:04:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ronnet@mediaone.net) Received: from mediaone.net (we-24-130-48-52.we.mediaone.net [24.130.48.52]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA11229 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 23:03:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3876708F.DE297675@mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 23:02:39 +0000 From: Ron Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: subscribe freebsd-stable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-stable To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 1:45:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA57614ECA for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 01:45:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (dialup2-124.csus.edu [130.86.24.124]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04080; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 01:45:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Message-ID: <3877057D.30063B1B@owp.csus.edu> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 01:38:05 -0800 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dan O'Connor" Cc: John Estess , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.4 BSD forever? References: <010501bf5989$2c4b7ec0$0200000a@danco.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dan O'Connor wrote: > > >Yes, FreeBSD is going to get past 4.4. As much as I admire your idea > >for its style, I think our release names are going to be selected more > >on their mathematic than their asthetic values. :-) > > What? An operating system who's version level actually means what it says? > Inconceivable! > > So, you're saying I can stop waiting for FreeBSD 2000 SP5 OSR2.5 SE to come > out??? > > --Dan Perhaps we should skip version 4.4 of FreeBSD out of respect for our fore fathers. ( IE: release versions 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.5 ). It would kind of feel strange to have a release version of 4.4 for FreeBSD. Joseph Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 2:12: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vkhdib01.hda.hydro.com (vkhdib01.hda.hydro.com [136.164.216.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF8115838 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 02:12:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Terje.Mathisen@hda.hydro.com) Received: from no115350p4 ([136.164.13.19]) by vkhdib01.hda.hydro.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA44248; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:11:59 +0100 Message-ID: <38770D6D.C84@hda.hydro.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 11:11:57 +0100 From: Terje Mathisen Organization: Hydro X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.4 BSD forever? References: <200001072333.AAA06549@info.iet.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > > Is FreeBSD ever going to get past 4.4? In a nostalgic way, it would be > > > > Yes, FreeBSD is going to get past 4.4. As much as I admire your idea > > for its style, I think our release names are going to be selected more > > on their mathematic than their asthetic values. :-) > > especially because unlike latex and tex, we don't have any important > irrational number like e or pi starting with 4 which would > give us an infinite supply of digits... What's wrong with 4.4.4.4.4...(probably shorted to 4.4(3) for daily use)? :-) Terje -- - Using self-discipline, see http://www.eiffel.com/discipline "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 4:42:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0603114BE5 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 04:42:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA07887; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 06:42:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-103.max1.wa.cyberlynk.net(207.227.118.103) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma007885; Sat Jan 8 06:41:50 2000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000108064201.01d20ce0@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 06:42:01 -0600 To: The Hermit Hacker From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Named: Too many open files? Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 04:15 PM 1/7/00 -0400, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > >got it...I had it listening on >500 IPs for requests :( Added a >'listen-to:' directive to options in /etc/named.conf, and the error >disappears completely... Oops! One would have to wonder why you would want to listen on that many ports. ;) Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve '86 Yamaha MaxiumX (not FBSD powered) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 6: 0:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8356F14EE7 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 06:00:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.10.0.Beta6/8.10.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id e08E0Aw39457; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 16:00:10 +0200 (SAST) Message-Id: <200001081400.e08E0Aw39457@gratis.grondar.za> To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , John Estess , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.4 BSD forever? References: <200001072333.AAA06549@info.iet.unipi.it> In-Reply-To: <200001072333.AAA06549@info.iet.unipi.it> ; from Luigi Rizzo "Sat, 08 Jan 2000 00:33:54 +0100." Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 16:00:09 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Is FreeBSD ever going to get past 4.4? In a nostalgic way, it would be > > > > Yes, FreeBSD is going to get past 4.4. As much as I admire your idea > > for its style, I think our release names are going to be selected more > > on their mathematic than their asthetic values. :-) > > especially because unlike latex and tex, we don't have any important > irrational number like e or pi starting with 4 which would > give us an infinite supply of digits... Feigenbaum number: 4.669201609102990.... M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 6:24:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from styrenix.ida.liu.se (styrenix.ida.liu.se [130.236.186.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FD215914 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 06:24:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from johpe159@und.ida.liu.se) Received: from astmatix.ida.liu.se (astmatix.ida.liu.se [130.236.186.15]) by styrenix.ida.liu.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11328 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:24:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (johpe159@localhost) by astmatix.ida.liu.se (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA21725 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:24:44 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:24:43 +0100 (MET) From: Johan Petersson To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: vim-5.5.67 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! I have installed a minimal 3.4 dist. But have problem whith vim. When I try to start vim I've got following message: >/usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libXext.so.6" not found >locate libXext.so.6 >/usr/compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 >/usr/compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.3 >/usr/compat/linux/usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libXext.so.6 >/usr/compat/linux/usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libXext.so.6.1 >/usr/compat/linux/usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libXext.so.6.3 what to do ? //thx Johan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 6:29:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pawn.primelocation.net (pawn.primelocation.net [205.161.238.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8916214E41 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 06:29:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdf.lists@fxp.org) Received: by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix, from userid 1016) id 97E2D9B6A; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 09:29:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFB9BA0C; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 09:29:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 09:29:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Chris D. Faulhaber" X-Sender: cdf.lists@pawn.primelocation.net To: Johan Petersson Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vim-5.5.67 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Johan Petersson wrote: > Hello! > > I have installed a minimal 3.4 dist. > But have problem whith vim. When > I try to start vim I've got following > message: > >/usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libXext.so.6" not found > > >locate libXext.so.6 > >/usr/compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 > >/usr/compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.3 > >/usr/compat/linux/usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libXext.so.6 > >/usr/compat/linux/usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libXext.so.6.1 > >/usr/compat/linux/usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libXext.so.6.3 > Install XFree86 for FreeBSD, not Linux. ----- Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 7: 6:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from styrenix.ida.liu.se (styrenix.ida.liu.se [130.236.186.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCA414E2A for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 07:06:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from johpe159@und.ida.liu.se) Received: from astmatix.ida.liu.se (astmatix.ida.liu.se [130.236.186.15]) by styrenix.ida.liu.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11380; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 16:06:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (johpe159@localhost) by astmatix.ida.liu.se (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA23202; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 16:06:34 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 16:06:34 +0100 (MET) From: Johan Petersson To: "Chris D. Faulhaber" Cc: Johan Petersson , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vim-5.5.67 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Chris D. Faulhaber wrote: > On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Johan Petersson wrote: > > > Hello! > > > > I have installed a minimal 3.4 dist. > > But have problem whith vim. When > > I try to start vim I've got following > > message: > > >/usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libXext.so.6" not found > > > > >locate libXext.so.6 > > >/usr/compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 > > >/usr/compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.3 > > >/usr/compat/linux/usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libXext.so.6 > > >/usr/compat/linux/usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libXext.so.6.1 > > >/usr/compat/linux/usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libXext.so.6.3 > > > > Install XFree86 for FreeBSD, not Linux. > A minimal dist does not include X. I want to run vim under console mode! //thx Johan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 7:59:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from inbox.org (inbox.org [216.22.145.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6284915B39 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 07:59:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsd@inbox.org) Received: from localhost (bsd@localhost) by inbox.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA20854 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 10:59:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 10:59:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Mr. K." To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: process stuck in ttywri Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is the second time I've seen this on two completely different machines (different network, different configuration, different state) so I'm wondering if anyone else has run into it. What happens is while I'm doing a make, one of the processes will get stuck. If I look at top, I will see that one of the processes is stuck in ttywri. I know I have very little information so I don't expect any solutions, but I was only wondering if maybe someone else has run into this also, or maybe it was already fixed? Also, if anyone wants to tell me something specific I should look for next time it happens... FreeBSD [censored].home.com 3.4-STABLE FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE #1: Sun Dec 19 04:22:13 GMT 1999 root@[censored].home.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/HOMER i386 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 8:13:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E67715053 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 08:13:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 126yUH-0007MK-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2000 11:13:09 -0500 Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:13:09 -0500 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.4 BSD forever? Message-ID: <20000108111309.A27724@pir.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <010501bf5989$2c4b7ec0$0200000a@danco.home> <3876D48E.8046C35@wcnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <3876D48E.8046C35@wcnet.net>; from jestess@wcnet.net on Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 12:09:18AM -0600 X-fish: < Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Estess probably said: > But what does the version number really mean? Very little. In a world > where 3.1 precedes to 95 (MS), where 4 precedes 7 (Slackware), where > original releases start with 5 or 6 (Mandrake and Suse, I believe - > DQM), what do you think release numbers signify? Not much. I'm glad > FreeBSD has the integrity to sequence their releases in a logical > manner, but this isn't required, is somewhat unexpected, and is really > boring. Just because other people do silly things with version numbers, doesn't mean FreeBSD has to. Logical version numbers that are easy to compare are a _good_ thing. > Besides, wouldn't Kirk M. and the other BSD grandpops just *%^& if their > baby never made it past 4.4? Tribute or torture? Who knows? It's just a number, you know ... P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 8:53: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 35F9615844 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 08:52:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 15888 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2000 16:52:56 -0000 Received: from userad14.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) (62.188.131.57) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2000 16:52:56 -0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA45716; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 16:53:14 GMT (envelope-from mark) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 16:53:14 +0000 From: Mark Ovens To: Johan Petersson Cc: "Chris D. Faulhaber" , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vim-5.5.67 Message-ID: <20000108165314.E2853@marder-1> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 04:06:34PM +0100, Johan Petersson wrote: > > On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Chris D. Faulhaber wrote: > > > On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Johan Petersson wrote: > > > > > Hello! > > > > > > I have installed a minimal 3.4 dist. > > > But have problem whith vim. When > > > I try to start vim I've got following > > > message: > > > >/usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libXext.so.6" not found > > > > > > >locate libXext.so.6 > > > >/usr/compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 > > > >/usr/compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.3 > > > >/usr/compat/linux/usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libXext.so.6 > > > >/usr/compat/linux/usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libXext.so.6.1 > > > >/usr/compat/linux/usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libXext.so.6.3 > > > > > > > Install XFree86 for FreeBSD, not Linux. > > > A minimal dist does not include X. > I want to run vim under console mode! > Use the vim-lite port, or build vim5 using # make LITE=yes install (which is all the vim-lite port does) > //thx Johan > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- "there's a long-standing bug relating to the x86 architecture that allows you to install Windows too" -Matthew D. Fuller ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 10:24:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from netcom.com (netcom2.netcom.com [199.183.9.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4209C157E7 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 10:24:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stanb@netcom.com) Received: (from stanb@localhost) by netcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10512 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 10:24:17 -0800 (PST) From: Stan Brown Message-Id: <200001081824.KAA10512@netcom.com> Subject: CVSUP from taoday, make world fails! To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Stable List) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 13:24:17 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Fails in /usr/src/games/larn/data.c Sugestions? -- Stan Brown stanb@netcom.com 404-996-6955 Factory Automation Systems Atlanta Ga. -- Look, look, see Windows 95. Buy, lemmings, buy! Pay no attention to that cliff ahead... Henry Spencer (c) 1998 Stan Brown. Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 10:35:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from plab.ku.dk (plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C2614BFD for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 10:35:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from voland@plab.ku.dk) Received: from eagle.plab.ku.dk (voland@eagle.plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.63]) by plab.ku.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11831; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:35:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from voland@plab.ku.dk) Received: (from voland@localhost) by eagle.plab.ku.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA55992; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:35:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from voland) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Comment-To: Peter Schwenk To: Peter Schwenk Cc: Brian Sletten , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OSS under 3.4 References: <38764DB7.A777888C@math.udel.edu> From: Vadim Belman In-Reply-To: Peter Schwenk's message of "Fri, 07 Jan 2000 15:34:00 -0500" Date: 08 Jan 2000 19:35:16 +0100 Message-ID: <85aemgtnrv.fsf@eagle.plab.ku.dk> Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Peter! On 07 Jan 00 at 21:34, "Peter" (Peter Schwenk) wrote: Peter> I've got OSS loading up in a script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d. I Peter> named the script something like '_oss.sh' so it would run first. Peter> Sometimes on boot it appears like it won't load (displays a message Peter> about not being able to allocate a DMA buffer), but it tries again Peter> and succeeds. I'm running 3.4-STABLE. It's too late yet. 8) The best place to execute soundon is somewhere in the middle of /etc/rc just after all file systems has been mounted and /etc/rc.conf has been read. This gave me the most stable work of OSS drivers. But still they fall unpredictably and I stopped using them once again and got back to the pcm driver. -- /Voland Vadim Belman E-mail: voland@plab.ku.dk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 10:43:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from asgaard.whispering.org (208-241-93-179.hsacorp.net [208.241.93.179]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0668A14E4E for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 10:43:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from shadow.blackdawn.com (23-125.008.popsite.net [209.69.197.125]) by asgaard.whispering.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25358; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 13:42:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: (from will@localhost) by shadow.blackdawn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30332; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 13:42:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from will) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200001081824.KAA10512@netcom.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 13:42:48 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: Will Andrews From: Will Andrews To: Stan Brown Subject: RE: CVSUP from taoday, make world fails! Cc: (FreeBSD Stable List) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 08-Jan-00 Stan Brown wrote: > Fails in /usr/src/games/larn/data.c HOW? What happened? Show error messages. Don't be vague. -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 10:49:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from firebat.Bushong.NET (c128625-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.5.196.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8751582D for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 10:49:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbushong@firebat.Bushong.NET) Received: (from dbushong@localhost) by firebat.Bushong.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA48267 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 10:49:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbushong) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 10:49:02 -0800 From: David Bushong To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: load spike strangeness Message-ID: <20000108104902.A47984@Bushong.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i X-Floating-Sheep-Port: 0xbaa Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have noticed a strange occurrence infrequently over the last year or so running -STABLE. I will describe it as best I can, and what I've tried to figure it out. I don't expect anyone here to know immediately why it's happening, but maybe someone can give me tips on things to try to figure it out. System: PII/266 overclocked to 300 3 DIMMs: 2 x 32 + 1 x 64 2 SCSI UW drives: 1 9GB 7200 rpm, 1 4GB 5400 rpm, both IBM Adaptec 2940UW Seagate 4GB travan tape drive IDE Creative 5x DVD w/ mpeg card Creative TNT video card Software: OS: Many different versions of FreeBSD X.Y-STABLE daemons: apache 1.3.6, named, ypbind, ypserv, nfsd, xntpd Symptom: I'm running X, a few xterms, a few ssh's, fvwm2. Have an xload in the corner. Typing along happily, I notice the load running flat at one. Never heard any exciting disk activity. If left unattended (or even if not) goes away by itself in maybe 5 minutes. Must time more precisely next time. Things I tried: Run uptime. Get a load of ~ 1. Check top. Says CPU is 99.5% idle. Run ps, wait 10 seconds, run ps, and compare PIDs. They aren't flying by (difference in 'ps' PID is max 1 or 2). I start up an mp3 encode on a known track and time it. The load reads 2 while I'm doing this. It takes no longer than when my machine is completely unloaded. Now I know everyone says load is a poor indicator of this and doesn't reflect that, but anyone have: a) any idea what could cause a phantom, meaningless spike in the load? b) any idea what other things I could try to figure out why this is happening? (i'll try timing it next time, and keeping track of when it happens to see if there's a pattern) Important? No. Baffling? Yes. --David Bushong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 11: 8:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mls.gtonet.net (mls.gtonet.net [216.112.90.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32AED14D81 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:08:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) Received: from pld (holeyman@pld.gtonet.net [216.112.90.200]) by mls.gtonet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA69382; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:08:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) From: "FreeBSD" To: "David Bushong" , Subject: RE: load spike strangeness Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:08:24 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000108104902.A47984@Bushong.NET> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of David Bushong > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2000 10:49 AM > To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: load spike strangeness > > > I have noticed a strange occurrence infrequently over the last year > or so running -STABLE. I will describe it as best I can, and what > I've tried to figure it out. I don't expect anyone here to know > immediately why it's happening, but maybe someone can give me tips > on things to try to figure it out. > > System: > PII/266 overclocked to 300 > 3 DIMMs: 2 x 32 + 1 x 64 > 2 SCSI UW drives: 1 9GB 7200 rpm, 1 4GB 5400 rpm, both IBM > Adaptec 2940UW > Seagate 4GB travan tape drive > IDE Creative 5x DVD w/ mpeg card > Creative TNT video card Overclocking is *NEVER* recommended > > Software: > OS: Many different versions of FreeBSD X.Y-STABLE > daemons: apache 1.3.6, named, ypbind, ypserv, nfsd, xntpd > > Symptom: > I'm running X, a few xterms, a few ssh's, fvwm2. Have an xload in > the corner. Typing along happily, I notice the load running flat > at one. Never heard any exciting disk activity. If left > unattended (or even if not) goes away by itself in maybe 5 minutes. > Must time more precisely next time. > > Things I tried: > Run uptime. Get a load of ~ 1. Check top. Says CPU is 99.5% > idle. Run ps, wait 10 seconds, run ps, and compare PIDs. They > aren't flying by (difference in 'ps' PID is max 1 or 2). I start > up an mp3 encode on a known track and time it. The load reads 2 > while I'm doing this. It takes no longer than when my machine is > completely unloaded. > > Now I know everyone says load is a poor indicator of this and doesn't > reflect that, but anyone have: > > a) any idea what could cause a phantom, meaningless spike in the load? > b) any idea what other things I could try to figure out why this is > happening? (i'll try timing it next time, and keeping track of when > it happens to see if there's a pattern) > > Important? No. Baffling? Yes. > > --David Bushong FreeBSD freebsd@gtonet.net "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 11:12:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shell13.ba.best.com (shell13.ba.best.com [206.184.139.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E01F150A2 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:12:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rone@ennui.org) Received: (from rone@localhost) by shell13.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.sh) id LAA14189 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:11:29 -0800 (PST) From: remorse code Message-Id: <200001081911.LAA14189@shell13.ba.best.com> Subject: Re: 4.4 BSD forever? In-Reply-To: <20000108111309.A27724@pir.net> from Peter Radcliffe at "Jan 8, 0 11:13:09 am" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:11:29 -0800 (PST) X-URL: http://ennui.org/rone/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Radcliffe writes: Just because other people do silly things with version numbers, doesn't mean FreeBSD has to. Logical version numbers that are easy to compare are a _good_ thing. Let's not forget, though, that FreeBSD jumped versions from 2.2.2 to 2.2.5. :) rone -- Insultant: n. Contract worker who gets paid an obscene hourly wage to insult full-time company employees. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 11:25:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from foobar.franken.de (foobar.franken.de [194.94.249.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60AD151ED for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:25:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from logix@foobar.franken.de) Received: (from logix@localhost) by foobar.franken.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) id UAA24116; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 20:23:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <20000108202356.B23533@foobar.franken.de> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 20:23:56 +0100 From: Harold Gutch To: FreeBSD , David Bushong , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: load spike strangeness References: <20000108104902.A47984@Bushong.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from FreeBSD on Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 11:08:24AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 11:08:24AM -0800, FreeBSD wrote: > Overclocking is *NEVER* recommended Neither is fullquoting. bye, Harold -- Someone should do a study to find out how many human life spans have been lost waiting for NT to reboot. Ken Deboy on Dec 24 1999 in comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 11:38:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C33714E6F for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:38:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29012; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:38:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: remorse code Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.4 BSD forever? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 08 Jan 2000 11:11:29 PST." <200001081911.LAA14189@shell13.ba.best.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 11:38:33 -0800 Message-ID: <29010.947360313@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Let's not forget, though, that FreeBSD jumped versions from 2.2.2 to > 2.2.5. :) Because we used the numbers for different things back then. In the earlier days, the revision number was used as a "timeline indicator" where each branch would start at .0 and move to .9 (whether any releases occurred or not) over the course of its one-year lifetime. One of those "seemed like a good idea at the time" sorts of things. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 11:48:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tk212017119140.teleweb.at (TK212017119140.teleweb.at [212.17.119.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C8E414E77 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:48:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from georg@tk212017119140.teleweb.at) Received: (qmail 21435 invoked by uid 503); 8 Jan 2000 19:48:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 20:48:03 +0100 From: Georg Graf To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: load spike strangeness Message-ID: <20000108204803.A21403@tk212017119140.teleweb.at> Mail-Followup-To: stable@freebsd.org References: <20000108104902.A47984@Bushong.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <20000108104902.A47984@Bushong.NET>; from David Bushong on Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 10:49:02AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 10:49:02AM -0800, David Bushong wrote: assuming you do not have setiathome running (;-) if could think of some process waiting for a fast device. This could even be your tape drive. Anything got stuck there sometime and still waiting for a new tape or stuff? -- Georg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 12:17:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.gmx.net (mail1.gmx.net [194.221.183.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AD8DB157F0 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 12:16:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 29180 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2000 20:16:35 -0000 Received: from p3e9d514e.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO speedy.gsinet) (62.157.81.78) by mail1.gmx.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2000 20:16:35 -0000 Received: (from sittig@localhost) by speedy.gsinet (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00146 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 18:04:53 +0100 Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 18:04:53 +0100 From: Gerhard Sittig To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.4 BSD forever? Message-ID: <20000108180453.L31561@speedy.gsinet> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <010501bf5989$2c4b7ec0$0200000a@danco.home> <3876D48E.8046C35@wcnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <3876D48E.8046C35@wcnet.net>; from jestess@wcnet.net on Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 12:09:18AM -0600 Organization: System Defenestrators Inc. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 00:09 -0600, John Estess wrote: > > But what does the version number really mean? Very little. In a > world where 3.1 precedes to 95 (MS), where 4 precedes 7 > (Slackware), where original releases start with 5 or 6 > (Mandrake and Suse, I believe - DQM), what do you think release > numbers signify? Not much. I feel I have to disagree here (besides the fact that there *are* SuSE releases prior to 5.0, and Mandrake might use this numbering to reflect the RedHat releases they're derived from). If others are unable to count, I DON'T have to do so too just because of THEIR lack of basic knowledge. Otherwise we instantly had to jump on ANY train when "almost everyone else" is on it already (i.e. make any free software more behave like the MS idol and act on commercial and marketing rules instead of doing technologically based decisions). That's something which would be flamed down in the blink of an eye as soon as someone would suggest it here in the list, I'm sure. > I'm glad FreeBSD has the integrity to sequence their releases > in a logical manner, but this isn't required, is somewhat > unexpected, and is really boring. Regarding release numbers I WANT to have some orientation, so a "boring" scheme is helpful and exactly what I would EXPECT and admire if found! It's not just about "naming it different". Solaris marketing people did (breaking the sequence 2.5 .. 2.6 .. 7 .. 8) and confused updating and security mechanisms (the naming pattern did't apply any longer). This caused real trouble to the admins. I don't see any benefit in breaking functionality just to attract some uneducated people with shiny names since they cannot even count in little numbers' domains. Keeping this in mind I could live with leaving out lower versioning numbers (e.g. starting with major number 4 since customers cannot imagine that "foo 6" is not more developed than "bar 1") or hopping to "catch up" with the competitors you're being compared to. But this always leaves a dubious impression behind once you THINK about it. It turns out to be a question of "Whom are we targetting for?". Do we want to attract those who take a shiny name or four digit number for more than the features and development a product has undergone? Or do we focus on the ones who can handle real info? > As far as designating a release, a name is only a name, whether > it be a sequence number (4.4) or a real moniker (Reno). People > will tend to know the current (usual meaning) distribution in > either case, and that is what matters. Sorry, but there's more to it than "just a name". You have to have an identifier and when it's not the release number you suddenly have two of them ("name" and "number") which raises complexity for NO added information or functionality. You have to provide this information to the application software as well (think of uname(2)) and how many of these programs can cope with nonnumerical input? Someone remembers the OS/2 DOS emulation (labelled "DOS 20.0") which made many programs tell you "You need at least DOS version 3.0"? And once you have to follow more than just one "versioning scheme driven by marketeers" (admin a heterogenous network) or if you are new to a certain environment, how do you tell one version from the other even before you come to attack your real problem? In Linux-land there are already problems to make newbies realize that kernel 2.2.12 is more recent than 2.2.5. :) Why should anyone try and add even more fuzz to it instead of establishing a pattern to name them like "2.2.05" (or use even three digits for the -current line). And the same points hold true to BSD IMHO. This discussion reminds me in some way of the O'Reilly books and how they are referred to. When someone calls it "THIS ANIMAL's book" everyone not having it in the shelf has to ask "What is it about?" causing one more cycle and lots of redundancy in a discussion to fetch information which could have been provided in the first place. Not everyone might be as familiar with certain associations as you could be. virtually yours 82D1 9B9C 01DC 4FB4 D7B4 61BE 3F49 4F77 72DE DA76 Gerhard Sittig mail -s "get gpg key" Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net < /dev/null -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 14:11:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC6814D79 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 14:11:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from charon@freethought.org) Received: from broad-208-049 (broad-208-049.rh.uchicago.edu [128.135.208.49]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21895; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 16:08:09 -0600 (CST) From: charon@freethought.org Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000108130455.00ba88c0@nsit-popmail.uchicago.edu> X-Sender: dbsypher@nsit-popmail.uchicago.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 13:06:50 -0600 To: Peter Radcliffe , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.4 BSD forever? In-Reply-To: <20000108111309.A27724@pir.net> References: <3876D48E.8046C35@wcnet.net> <010501bf5989$2c4b7ec0$0200000a@danco.home> <3876D48E.8046C35@wcnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 11:13 AM 1/8/00 -0500, Peter Radcliffe wrote: >Just because other people do silly things with version numbers, doesn't >mean FreeBSD has to. Logical version numbers that are easy to compare >are a _good_ thing. And then things start happening like 3.5 coming out after 4.0... -Charon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 14:31: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gw.traicom.interhack.net (gw.traicom.interhack.net [206.103.243.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FB714DB2 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 14:31:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gravesp@traicom.interhack.net) Received: from traicom.interhack.net (reuben.traicom.interhack.net [192.168.1.15]) by gw.traicom.interhack.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01319 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 17:30:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gravesp@traicom.interhack.net) Message-ID: <3877BA93.7130BFDF@traicom.interhack.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 17:30:43 -0500 From: "Paul L. Graves" Reply-To: gravesp@traicom.interhack.net Organization: TraiCom Services, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: Re: CVSUP from taoday, make world fails! References: <200001081824.KAA10512@netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It also breaks unless you edit the Makefile in: /usr/src/share/doc/usd and remove the entries for .rogue and .trek Stan Brown wrote: > Fails in /usr/src/games/larn/data.c > > Sugestions? > > -- > Stan Brown stanb@netcom.com 404-996-6955 > Factory Automation Systems > Atlanta Ga. > -- > Look, look, see Windows 95. Buy, lemmings, buy! > Pay no attention to that cliff ahead... Henry Spencer > (c) 1998 Stan Brown. Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Paul L. Graves gravesp@traicom.interhack.net TraiCom Services, Inc. http://www.traicom.interhack.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 15:40:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from MEOWVAX.INT.TELE.DK (fw1.inet.tele.dk [193.163.158.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E052E14F06 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:40:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from FLUFFEE@FLUFFY.GETS.AN.ANALPROBE.DK) Received: from localhost (FLUFFEE@localhost) by MEOWVAX.INT.TELE.DK (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA03536 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 00:40:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from FLUFFEE@FLUFFY.GETS.AN.ANALPROBE.DK) X-Authentication-Warning: MEOWVAX.INT.TELE.DK: FLUFFEE owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1900 00:40:45 +0100 (CET) From: USER FLUFFEE X-Sender: FLUFFEE@MEOWVAX.INT.TELE.DK Reply-To: fluffee@netscum.dk To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.4 BSD forever? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: sync; sync; kill 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 8 Jan 19100, remorse code wrote: > Just because other people do silly things with version numbers, doesn't > mean FreeBSD has to. > > Let's not forget, though, that FreeBSD jumped versions from 2.2.2 to > 2.2.5. :) Y'know, when FreeBSD 4.4 has come and gone, and you're into the 5.x releases, I'm gonna have to think about taking down the ole poster with `4.4 > 5.4' on it.... - the un-fluffee (not that that would be a *bad* thing, I just wonder if I can find where said poster is hanging in this mess) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 17:41:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.mco.bellsouth.net (mail1.mco.bellsouth.net [205.152.111.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF5F15168 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 17:41:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cfdillon@bellsouth.net) Received: from p166.nopants.net (host-209-214-168-135.sdf.bellsouth.net [209.214.168.135]) by mail1.mco.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id UAA15898 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 20:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from cfdillon@localhost) by p166.nopants.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) id UAA02736; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 20:37:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cfdillon) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 20:37:13 -0500 (EST) From: "Charles F. Dillon" Message-Id: <200001090137.UAA02736@p166.nopants.net> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-URL: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/stable.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.8.2rel.1 Subject: subscribe Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 18: 6:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BAC214E44; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 18:06:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA75669; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 03:06:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 03:06:15 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200001090206.DAA75669@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: load spike strangeness X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable In-Reply-To: <85820f$qbq$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.4-19991219-STABLE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD wrote in list.freebsd-stable: > Overclocking is *NEVER* recommended Neither is posting anonymously (without a realname). (Sorry -- Back to the topic.) I have to admit that I've seen the same symptoms, and I have no idea what's causing it. It happenes very irregularly (and rarely), but it clearly _does_ happen sometimes. It doesn't seem to be related to any particular hardware or FreeBSD ver- sion, I have seen it on both 3.x and 4.0-current boxes. On some machines it never happened at all (including some busy servers), at least not while I was logged in and watched it (it's possible that it happened without me noticing at all). It _seems_ to happen preferably when a long-time CPU hog has run (and terminated) recently, such as setiathome. The load goes up to 1.0 and stays there for some time (could be a few minutes, or an hour maybe even a few hours), then drops back to 0.0 for no apparent reason. During that period of load 1.0, there is no activity. CPU is 100% idle. There is no process that consumes any significant amounts of CPU time. The box feels fast and responds quickly to interactive work. vmstat looks perfectly normal (like an idle machine). I have come to the conclusion that it must be a subtle bug somewhere in the kernel's calculation of the load averages. I tried to track it down in the kernel sources, but without success. Since it didn't seem to have any ill effects, but just being a cosmetic problem, I didn't bother to investigate further. I have to admit that I wasn't even motivated to submit a PR. Yeah, shame on me. Oh by the way, I think it happened once even on an OpenBSD/ Alpha box (not sure though, it was a long time ago). Maybe it's a long-standing BSD bug, or just strange coincidence. Please excuse me for forwarding this to -current as well, but I think it's important enough, and -current is affected, too. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 18:15:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from firebat.Bushong.NET (c128625-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.5.196.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E924614BE3 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 18:15:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbushong@firebat.Bushong.NET) Received: (from dbushong@localhost) by firebat.Bushong.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA52577; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 18:15:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbushong) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 18:15:11 -0800 From: David Bushong To: Georg Graf Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: load spike strangeness Message-ID: <20000108181511.B49321@Bushong.NET> References: <20000108104902.A47984@Bushong.NET> <20000108204803.A21403@tk212017119140.teleweb.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000108204803.A21403@tk212017119140.teleweb.at>; from georg-stable@tk212017119140.teleweb.at on Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 08:48:03PM +0100 X-Floating-Sheep-Port: 0xbaa Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 08:48:03PM +0100, Georg Graf wrote: > assuming you do not have setiathome running (;-) if could think > of some process waiting for a fast device. This could even be your > tape drive. > Anything got stuck there sometime and still waiting for a new tape or > stuff? > Nope, nothing happening with the tape drive at all when this happens. Thanks for the thought, though. Re: mention of overclocking. If someone would like to explain what effect overclocking could have on load reporting, I'd love to know. This happened before I started overclocking. Also: I don't run seti@home or anything cpu intensive in the background. --David Bushong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 18:26:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7CC14F2C for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 18:26:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA96559; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 18:25:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: charon@freethought.org Cc: Peter Radcliffe , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.4 BSD forever? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 08 Jan 2000 13:06:50 CST." <4.2.2.20000108130455.00ba88c0@nsit-popmail.uchicago.edu> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 18:25:46 -0800 Message-ID: <96557.947384746@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > At 11:13 AM 1/8/00 -0500, Peter Radcliffe wrote: > >Just because other people do silly things with version numbers, doesn't > >mean FreeBSD has to. Logical version numbers that are easy to compare > >are a _good_ thing. > > And then things start happening like 3.5 coming out after 4.0... Which is just fine since they denote separate and parallel branches of development. If you want to take the version numbers to their logical degree of absurdity and start doing things like adding 2.2.8 to 3.2 to get FreeBSD 5.4.8, the most stable version you could possibly imagine, that's your business. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 18:31:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mls.gtonet.net (mls.gtonet.net [216.112.90.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F9515003; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 18:31:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) Received: from pld (holeyman@pld.gtonet.net [216.112.90.200]) by mls.gtonet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA70561; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 18:31:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) From: "FreeBSD" To: , Cc: "freebsd-security@FreeBSD. ORG" Subject: RE: load spike strangeness Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 18:31:19 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200001090206.DAA75669@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Oliver Fromme > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2000 6:06 PM > To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: load spike strangeness > > > FreeBSD wrote in list.freebsd-stable: > > Overclocking is *NEVER* recommended > > Neither is posting anonymously (without a realname). > Since when does an E-mail address require a "realname"? Only a imbecile (IMHO) would use their real name on an e-mail that goes out to a public list. I don't want people to know my real name or SSN or any other personal info for that matter, NOR is it required, as far as I know. If it were to become required, I'd prefer to "unsubscribe" than to give that info out, as would any other intelligent person. I suggest you check your e-mail security information again before babbling nonsense. My e-mail addy is a REAL addy not one that goes through an anonymous re-mailer and I use it so IF I start getting Spam I can easily rmuser it and create another to resubscribe. Do you also use you real full name on IRC? To quote "Mr. T": "I pity da f00!" FreeBSD freebsd@gtonet.net "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" P.S. To kill 2 birds with one stone... David Bushong: The info about overclocking was mentioned by Jordan, himself, on IRC in #FreeBSD (I'm not sure which network though) If you'd like, I can dig through IRC logs and try to find it but I'd prefer to take this to private e-mail instead. Let me know. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 18:41:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721BE14EB3; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 18:41:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA14565; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 18:41:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 18:41:30 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200001090241.SAA14565@apollo.backplane.com> To: "FreeBSD" Cc: , , "freebsd-security@FreeBSD. ORG" Subject: Re: RE: load spike strangeness References: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :> : :Since when does an E-mail address require a "realname"? Only a imbecile :(IMHO) would use their real name on an e-mail that goes out to a public :list. I don't want people to know my real name or SSN or any other personal :info for that matter, NOR is it required, as far as I know. If it were to :become required, I'd prefer to "unsubscribe" than to give that info out, as :would any other intelligent person. I suggest you check your e-mail security :information again before babbling nonsense. My e-mail addy is a REAL addy :not one that goes through an anonymous re-mailer and I use it so IF I start :getting Spam I can easily rmuser it and create another to resubscribe. Do :you also use you real full name on IRC? To quote "Mr. T": "I pity da f00!" : :FreeBSD :freebsd@gtonet.net : :"LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" It depends on whether you want people to take you seriously or not. Frankly, not using your real name puts you at a disadvantage right off the bat. Personally speaking, I use my real name to add to the glory of all the Matt Dillon's out there in the world, so people will remember the name after I die, and be refering to me, myself, and I! I don't plan on going out as a red-shirt. :-) -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 19: 8:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0888214DCD; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:08:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA79415; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 04:08:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 04:08:05 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200001090308.EAA79415@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: load spike strangeness X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable In-Reply-To: <858s5i$18nj$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.4-19991219-STABLE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD wrote in list.freebsd-stable: >> FreeBSD wrote in list.freebsd-stable: >> > Overclocking is *NEVER* recommended >> >> Neither is posting anonymously (without a realname). > > Since when does an E-mail address require a "realname"? It is not required, but it is a matter of good practice, politeness, and netiquette. It's a matter of being taken serious, and of encouraging people to communicate. This is not a security issue at all. > become required, I'd prefer to "unsubscribe" than to give that info out, as > would any other intelligent person. I suggest you check your e-mail security > information again before babbling nonsense. That's ridiculous. You're making a fool of yourself. You will not receive less spam when hiding your real name. And using a real name does not prevent you from creating a new account, if you think that's necessary. > Do > you also use you real full name on IRC? Yes, I do. For 5 years. And there is no reason to hide it. (I'm not a criminal who has to hide from the police or something like that.) > "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" While I'm at it: I don't like that quote either. :-) Goodbye Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 19:52:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mls.gtonet.net (mls.gtonet.net [216.112.90.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D80F5150E8; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:52:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) Received: from pld (holeyman@pld.gtonet.net [216.112.90.200]) by mls.gtonet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA70841; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:52:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) From: "FreeBSD" To: , , Subject: RE: load spike strangeness Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:52:16 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200001090308.EAA79415@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Oliver Fromme > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2000 7:08 PM > To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: load spike strangeness > > > FreeBSD wrote in list.freebsd-stable: > >> FreeBSD wrote in list.freebsd-stable: > >> > Overclocking is *NEVER* recommended > >> > >> Neither is posting anonymously (without a realname). > > > > Since when does an E-mail address require a "realname"? > > It is not required, but it is a matter of good practice, > politeness, and netiquette. It's a matter of being taken > serious, and of encouraging people to communicate. This > is not a security issue at all. Suggesting people use their real names in mailing lists, seems like a security issue to me, while it's not an exploit, it's not safe or smart (again IMHO). > > > become required, I'd prefer to "unsubscribe" than to give that > info out, as > > would any other intelligent person. I suggest you check your > e-mail security > > information again before babbling nonsense. > > That's ridiculous. You're making a fool of yourself. You are entitled to your opinion. > > You will not receive less spam when hiding your real name. > And using a real name does not prevent you from creating a > new account, if you think that's necessary. No but it does help in preventing identity theft, however little. > > > Do > > you also use you real full name on IRC? > > Yes, I do. For 5 years. And there is no reason to hide it. > (I'm not a criminal who has to hide from the police or > something like that.) > > > "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" > > While I'm at it: I don't like that quote either. :-) > > Goodbye > Oliver > I really don't care if you like it. I'd suggest not quoting it then. Are you now the sig police? There are plenty of quotes I don't care for, but I'm not whining about it. I might suggest taking this off the lists if all you plan to do is flame. FreeBSD freebsd@gtonet.net "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 20:21:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kendra.ne.mediaone.net (kendra.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.52.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5701E15084 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 20:21:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@kew.com) Received: by kendra.ne.mediaone.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id D0285A80F; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:21:11 -0500 (EST) To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.4 BSD forever? Message-Id: <20000109042111.D0285A80F@kendra.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:21:11 -0500 (EST) From: root@kew.com (Snuffles on Sonata) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Some of us remember 4.1 and 4.2 as well. :-) From a pragmatic standpoint, going to release FreeBSD 5.0 and skipping all 4.x versions avoids confusion and honors the Source. With this, the sequence remains linear and obvious, and has a specific reason. -ahd- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 20:37:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mls.gtonet.net (mls.gtonet.net [216.112.90.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE2D14BDA for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 20:37:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) Received: from pld (holeyman@pld.gtonet.net [216.112.90.200]) by mls.gtonet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA71032; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 20:37:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) From: "FreeBSD" To: "David Bushong" , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD. ORG" Subject: RE: load spike strangeness Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 20:37:38 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200001090206.DAA75669@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "P.S. To kill 2 birds with one stone... David Bushong: The info about overclocking was mentioned by Jordan, himself, on IRC in #FreeBSD (I'm not sure which network though) If you'd like, I can dig through IRC logs and try to find it but I'd prefer to take this to private e-mail instead. Let me know." Just to set the record straight, after going through some logs, I found it was NOT Jordan who was so against overclocking it was Anti-Bill and a few others. I'm not going to paste chat logs here but the consensus was that overclocking *can* cause strangeness. Not necessarily in load checking but in general. Have a Nice Day :) FreeBSD freebsd@gtonet.net "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 21: 6:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kendra.ne.mediaone.net (kendra.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.52.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C02814EE0 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 21:06:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ahd@kew.com) Received: by kendra.ne.mediaone.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4F4F8A80F; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 00:06:40 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.4 BSD forever? In-Reply-To: <200001090447.XAA77971@loverso.southborough.ma.us> Message-Id: <20000109050640.4F4F8A80F@kendra.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 00:06:40 -0500 (EST) From: ahd@kew.com (Drew Derbyshire) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Damn, I gotta stop reading my mail as root. When I reply I forget the GECOS file refers to my Polar bear (who literally sits on one of the machines .... (http://www.kew.com/kendra/gallery/creatures/ahd-monitor-97.jpg) In any case, a general reply to a private comment which called my previous comment "absurd" ... Say FreeBSD 4.4 and then say BSD 4.4. Then say 4.4 and say 4.4. What's the difference? The readers of -Stable are close enough to FreeBSD to assume a difference, or presume FreeBSD 4.4 if no comparision is made, just as they know -Stable is FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.org. Many others, further from the world of FreeBSD, will know only enough to be confused. It's similar story to an old release of Kermit-MS which was numbered 3.01 - 3.09 ... and then when the version went to 3.10 people were confused. The author knew 3.01 was not 3.10, but some poor user who reads it as 3.1 doesn't know. So it shall be with BSD 4.x and FBSD 4.x. Go ahead, treat the numbering as something for "those in the know" to be the only ones who can get it right. -ahd- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 21:42:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wcn4.wcnet.net (mail.wcnet.net [216.88.248.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41CB150E8 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 21:42:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jestess@wcnet.net) Received: from wcnet.net [216.88.253.99] by wcn4.wcnet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AFB51784029E; Sat, 08 Jan 2000 23:42:13 -0600 Message-ID: <38781F3C.66D343FF@wcnet.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 23:40:12 -0600 From: John Estess Organization: compulsive or none, depending on the day X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.4 BSD forever? References: <20000109050640.4F4F8A80F@kendra.ne.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Say FreeBSD 4.4 and then say BSD 4.4. Then say 4.4 and say 4.4. > What's the difference? But the difference between 4.4BSD and 4.4FreeBSD-Vegas (number 22 of the cities series) should be enough to clue people in. > The readers of -Stable are close enough to FreeBSD to assume a difference, > or presume FreeBSD 4.4 if no comparision is made, just as they know > -Stable is FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.org. Many others, further from > the world of FreeBSD, will know only enough to be confused. There is a community you have to be in (geeks?) to know what FreeBSD is to begin with, so this probably wouldn't be a problem. Also, if the user buys the 4 CD set, they can read the part about "FreeBSD is based on Berkeley 4.4 BSD...". If they can install from FTP, they probably know the difference. > Go ahead, treat the numbering as something for "those in the know" > to be the only ones who can get it right. And what exactly does it mean to somebody not in the know, even if they are labeled sequentially? Did 4.3BSD Reno confuse anyone? How about 4.3 Tahoe? I don't think so. The people who wanted Unix knew what they wanted. I can take Jordan's argument that a logical sequencing system is going to be used (boring), but I refuse to accept an argument that assumes stupid Unix users. As a general rule (which has been bent at times - sometimes by myself), that assumption is oxymoronic. -- _/ _/_/_/ || John Estess _/ _/ _/_/ || jestess@wcnet.net _/_/_/ _/_/_/ || To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 21:55:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4A414E44 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 21:55:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA88547; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 06:55:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 06:55:10 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200001090555.GAA88547@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: load spike strangeness X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable In-Reply-To: <8593bu$1dip$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.4-19991219-STABLE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD wrote in list.freebsd-stable: > "P.S. To kill 2 birds with one stone... > David Bushong: The info about overclocking was mentioned by Jordan, himself, > on IRC in #FreeBSD Obviously he was not anonymous. :-> > Just to set the record straight, after going through some logs, I found it > was NOT Jordan who was so against overclocking it was Anti-Bill and a few > others. I'm not going to paste chat logs here but the consensus was that > overclocking *can* cause strangeness. Not necessarily in load checking but > in general. Of course, overclocking is not recommended. There is (and was) no doubt about that. But it certainly does not cause the kind of problems which this thread is about, originally. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 22: 7: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E524714DB9 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:07:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rjoseph@nwlink.com) Received: from nwlink.com (ip97.r17.d.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.176.97]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12906 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:07:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <387824C0.F56ACAE4@nwlink.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 22:03:44 -0800 From: R Joseph Wright X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: CPU voltage (was Re: load spike strangeness) References: <200001090555.GAA88547@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Just to set the record straight, after going through some logs, I found it > > was NOT Jordan who was so against overclocking it was Anti-Bill and a few > > others. I'm not going to paste chat logs here but the consensus was that > > overclocking *can* cause strangeness. Not necessarily in load checking but > > in general. > > Of course, overclocking is not recommended. There is (and was) > no doubt about that. But it certainly does not cause the kind > of problems which this thread is about, originally. Awhile back I was having trouble getting through kernel compiles, the machine would reboot during the compile. Someone on some newsgroup said "are you overclocking?". I checked my settings. No, I wasn't overclocking. But my voltage setting looked wrong. It was set at 2.2 volts or whatever and I thought it was supposed to be at 2.4. So I changed it to 2.4. My problem was solved. I was flying through the compiles. Then I was looking through my motherboard manual and realized that it was supposed to be set at 2.2 after all. I prefer it the way it is though. Do you think there is anything wrong with that? -- Best Regards, Joseph You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm. Colette. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 22:10:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mls.gtonet.net (mls.gtonet.net [216.112.90.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9AE414BDA for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:10:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) Received: from pld (holeyman@pld.gtonet.net [216.112.90.200]) by mls.gtonet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA71435 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:10:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) From: "FreeBSD" To: Subject: RE: load spike strangeness Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:10:34 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200001090555.GAA88547@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Of course, overclocking is not recommended. There is (and was) > no doubt about that. But it certainly does not cause the kind > of problems which this thread is about, originally. > > Regards > Oliver > Thank GOD we're getting back to the issue at hand. I don't know that to be necessarily true but I'm no guru. Overclocking can cause "random strangeness" in any OS which, again IMHO, includes load spikes. I'm not saying that's definitely it, in fact, I think Mr. Bushong stated, later, that it was doing so even before he started overclocking. So I doubt, now, that was it but when I originally replied it was merely a possibility. *shrug* To quote Forrest Gump: "And that's all I have to say about that." FreeBSD freebsd@gtonet.net "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 22:18:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mls.gtonet.net (mls.gtonet.net [216.112.90.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DE314F57 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:18:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) Received: from pld (holeyman@pld.gtonet.net [216.112.90.200]) by mls.gtonet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA71452; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:18:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) From: "FreeBSD" To: "R Joseph Wright" , Subject: RE: CPU voltage (was Re: load spike strangeness) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:18:31 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <387824C0.F56ACAE4@nwlink.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Just to set the record straight, after going through some > logs, I found it > > > was NOT Jordan who was so against overclocking it was > Anti-Bill and a few > > > others. I'm not going to paste chat logs here but the > consensus was that > > > overclocking *can* cause strangeness. Not necessarily in > load checking but > > > in general. > > > > Of course, overclocking is not recommended. There is (and was) > > no doubt about that. But it certainly does not cause the kind > > of problems which this thread is about, originally. > > Awhile back I was having trouble getting through kernel compiles, the > machine would reboot during the compile. Someone on some newsgroup said > "are you overclocking?". I checked my settings. No, I wasn't > overclocking. But my voltage setting looked wrong. It was set at 2.2 > volts or whatever and I thought it was supposed to be at 2.4. So I > changed it to 2.4. My problem was solved. I was flying through the > compiles. Then I was looking through my motherboard manual and realized > that it was supposed to be set at 2.2 after all. I prefer it the way it > is though. Do you think there is anything wrong with that? > > > -- > Best Regards, Joseph > > You will do foolish things, > but do them with enthusiasm. Colette. Again, I stand by my original statement that overclocking is never recommended and *CAN* cause random strangeness. What you do with your box is completely up to you. In short: whatever floats your boat. Glad to hear you can compile now. FreeBSD freebsd@gtonet.net "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 22:34: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3184151B1 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:34:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rjoseph@nwlink.com) Received: from nwlink.com (ip97.r17.d.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.176.97]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16724; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:33:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38782B0F.2A395764@nwlink.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 22:30:39 -0800 From: R Joseph Wright X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CPU voltage (was Re: load spike strangeness) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD wrote: > > > > > > > Just to set the record straight, after going through some > > logs, I found it > > > > was NOT Jordan who was so against overclocking it was > > Anti-Bill and a few > > > > others. I'm not going to paste chat logs here but the > > consensus was that > > > > overclocking *can* cause strangeness. Not necessarily in > > load checking but > > > > in general. > > > > > > Of course, overclocking is not recommended. There is (and was) > > > no doubt about that. But it certainly does not cause the kind > > > of problems which this thread is about, originally. > > > > Awhile back I was having trouble getting through kernel compiles, the > > machine would reboot during the compile. Someone on some newsgroup said > > "are you overclocking?". I checked my settings. No, I wasn't > > overclocking. But my voltage setting looked wrong. It was set at 2.2 > > volts or whatever and I thought it was supposed to be at 2.4. So I > > changed it to 2.4. My problem was solved. I was flying through the > > compiles. Then I was looking through my motherboard manual and realized > > that it was supposed to be set at 2.2 after all. I prefer it the way it > > is though. Do you think there is anything wrong with that? > > > > > > -- > > Best Regards, Joseph > > > > You will do foolish things, > > but do them with enthusiasm. Colette. > > Again, I stand by my original statement that overclocking is never > recommended and *CAN* cause random strangeness. What you do with your box is > completely up to you. In short: whatever floats your boat. Glad to hear you > can compile now. But is raising the voltage considered overclocking? > FreeBSD > freebsd@gtonet.net > > "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" -- Best Regards, Joseph You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm. Colette. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 22:35:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from firebat.Bushong.NET (c128625-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.5.196.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABC014F57 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:35:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbushong@firebat.Bushong.NET) Received: (from dbushong@localhost) by firebat.Bushong.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA58899; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:35:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbushong) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:35:40 -0800 From: David Bushong To: R Joseph Wright Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CPU voltage (was Re: load spike strangeness) Message-ID: <20000108223540.A58762@Bushong.NET> References: <200001090555.GAA88547@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> <387824C0.F56ACAE4@nwlink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <387824C0.F56ACAE4@nwlink.com>; from rjoseph@nwlink.com on Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 10:03:44PM -0800 X-Floating-Sheep-Port: 0xbaa Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 10:03:44PM -0800, R Joseph Wright wrote: > Awhile back I was having trouble getting through kernel compiles, the > machine would reboot during the compile. Someone on some newsgroup said > "are you overclocking?". I checked my settings. No, I wasn't > overclocking. But my voltage setting looked wrong. It was set at 2.2 > volts or whatever and I thought it was supposed to be at 2.4. So I > changed it to 2.4. My problem was solved. I was flying through the > compiles. Then I was looking through my motherboard manual and realized > that it was supposed to be set at 2.2 after all. I prefer it the way it > is though. Do you think there is anything wrong with that? > Hmm. lmmon -i produces some scary results: Voltages Vcore1: +2.781V Vcore2: +1.469V + 3.3V: +3.312V + 5.0V: +4.932V +12.0V: +12.250V <-- -12.0V: -13.125V <-- - 5.0V: -5.532V <-- Those look disturbingly off.. maybe this much drift is common, I don't know. However, I never have any problem with the machine, other than this benign occurance.. and I do tend to tax it every now and again (couple ports building, world building, mp3 encodes, the usual). Ack, can't believe I forgot to mention I'm running with soft updates enabled on both drives (and root). While I was reading this thread btw, I got another spike, and by measuring pixel widths in xload, came up with 30 pixels @ 10 seconds per pixel, or 300 seconds, or exactly 5 minutes, which seems awfully round. Re: overclocking thing: ok, people, I know it's my machine. Take a chill pill. I have a very stable CPU, a well ventilated machine, and a jumperless motherboard that makes it very easy to switch settings. However, as I have said, this machine has been rock solid (except for during a few of those sketchy 3.1 release ;) I'll go ahead and try turning off the overclocking and see if a) it affects the voltage (which does worry me a bit) b) I continue to see this load strangeness (I suspect I will) --David Bushong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 22:41:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from public.bta.net.cn (public.bta.net.cn [202.96.0.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E6814EDE for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:41:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robinson@netrinsics.com) Received: from netrinsics.com (root@gj-06-037.bta.net.cn [202.106.6.37]) by public.bta.net.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24265 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 14:41:40 +0800 (CST) Received: (from robinson@localhost) by netrinsics.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09477; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 14:10:36 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from robinson) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 14:10:36 +0800 (CST) From: Michael Robinson Message-Id: <200001090610.OAA09477@netrinsics.com> To: FLUFFEE@FLUFFY.GETS.AN.ANALPROBE.DK Subject: Re: 4.4 BSD forever? Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG USER FLUFFEE writes: >Y'know, when FreeBSD 4.4 has come and gone, and you're into >the 5.x releases, I'm gonna have to think about taking down >the ole poster with `4.4 > 5.4' on it.... > >(not that that would be a *bad* thing, I just wonder if I can >find where said poster is hanging in this mess) Your Mt. Xinu poster is being underutilized (and underappreciated). You should send it to me immediately (postage due, of course). -Michael Robinson P.S. I thought it was 4.2 > V? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 22:43:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mls.gtonet.net (mls.gtonet.net [216.112.90.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFCB14FBA for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:43:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) Received: from pld (holeyman@pld.gtonet.net [216.112.90.200]) by mls.gtonet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA71560; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:43:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) From: "FreeBSD" To: "R Joseph Wright" Cc: Subject: RE: CPU voltage (was Re: load spike strangeness) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:43:14 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <38782B0F.2A395764@nwlink.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > > > Again, I stand by my original statement that overclocking is never > > recommended and *CAN* cause random strangeness. What you do > with your box is > > completely up to you. In short: whatever floats your boat. Glad > to hear you > > can compile now. > > But is raising the voltage considered overclocking? > IMHO yes, anything other than that specified by the CPU manufacturer, *I* would consider overclocked. With that said, what does that have to do with Mr. Bushong's problem and why does this need to be in this list? Are you now experiencing random strangeness or load spikes? > -- > Best Regards, Joseph > > You will do foolish things, > but do them with enthusiasm. Colette. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 22:46: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E7E14D7B for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:46:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rjoseph@nwlink.com) Received: from nwlink.com (ip97.r17.d.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.176.97]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18391; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:45:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38782DE0.6A8E2AB3@nwlink.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 22:42:40 -0800 From: R Joseph Wright X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CPU voltage (was Re: load spike strangeness) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Again, I stand by my original statement that overclocking is never > > > recommended and *CAN* cause random strangeness. What you do > > with your box is > > > completely up to you. In short: whatever floats your boat. Glad > > to hear you > > > can compile now. > > > > But is raising the voltage considered overclocking? > > > > IMHO yes, anything other than that specified by the CPU manufacturer, *I* > would consider overclocked. With that said, what does that have to do with > Mr. Bushong's problem and why does this need to be in this list? Are you now > experiencing random strangeness or load spikes? Why do you think I changed the name of the thread? > > > -- > > Best Regards, Joseph > > > > You will do foolish things, > > but do them with enthusiasm. Colette. -- Best Regards, Joseph You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm. Colette. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 22:49:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 341EF14CB4 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:49:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rjoseph@nwlink.com) Received: from nwlink.com (ip97.r17.d.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.176.97]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18830; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:49:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38782EA6.F39CDA13@nwlink.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 22:45:58 -0800 From: R Joseph Wright X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CPU voltage (was Re: load spike strangeness) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Again, I stand by my original statement that overclocking is never > > > recommended and *CAN* cause random strangeness. What you do > > with your box is > > > completely up to you. In short: whatever floats your boat. Glad > > to hear you > > > can compile now. > > > > But is raising the voltage considered overclocking? > > > > IMHO yes, anything other than that specified by the CPU manufacturer, *I* > would consider overclocked. With that said, what does that have to do with > Mr. Bushong's problem and why does this need to be in this list? Are you now > experiencing random strangeness or load spikes? Sorry, I didn't realize I was posting to -stable > > > -- > > Best Regards, Joseph > > > > You will do foolish things, > > but do them with enthusiasm. Colette. -- Best Regards, Joseph You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm. Colette. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 22:53: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mls.gtonet.net (mls.gtonet.net [216.112.90.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20BE6150E8 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:53:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) Received: from pld (holeyman@pld.gtonet.net [216.112.90.200]) by mls.gtonet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA71610; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:52:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) From: "FreeBSD" To: "R Joseph Wright" , "FreeBSD" Cc: Subject: RE: CPU voltage (was Re: load spike strangeness) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:53:00 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <38782DE0.6A8E2AB3@nwlink.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > IMHO yes, anything other than that specified by the CPU > manufacturer, *I* > > would consider overclocked. With that said, what does that have > to do with > > Mr. Bushong's problem and why does this need to be in this > list? Are you now > > experiencing random strangeness or load spikes? > > Why do you think I changed the name of the thread? I'm not about to start guessing why you changed the name of the thread but you still didn't answer the questions. Is there a point to all of this or can this new thread now die? > > > > > -- > > > Best Regards, Joseph > > > > > > You will do foolish things, > > > but do them with enthusiasm. Colette. FreeBSD freebsd@gtonet.net "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 8 22:54:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mls.gtonet.net (mls.gtonet.net [216.112.90.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC54814EA8 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:54:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) Received: from pld (holeyman@pld.gtonet.net [216.112.90.200]) by mls.gtonet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA71621; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:54:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) From: "FreeBSD" To: "David Bushong" Cc: Subject: RE: CPU voltage (was Re: load spike strangeness) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:54:38 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000108223540.A58762@Bushong.NET> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Hmm. lmmon -i produces some scary results: > > Voltages > > Vcore1: +2.781V > Vcore2: +1.469V > + 3.3V: +3.312V > + 5.0V: +4.932V > +12.0V: +12.250V <-- > -12.0V: -13.125V <-- > - 5.0V: -5.532V <-- > > Those look disturbingly off.. maybe this much drift is common, I > don't know. > However, I never have any problem with the machine, other than this benign > occurance.. and I do tend to tax it every now and again (couple ports > building, world building, mp3 encodes, the usual). Ack, can't believe I > forgot to mention I'm running with soft updates enabled on both drives > (and root). While I was reading this thread btw, I got another spike, and > by measuring pixel widths in xload, came up with 30 pixels @ 10 > seconds per > pixel, or 300 seconds, or exactly 5 minutes, which seems awfully round. > > Re: overclocking thing: ok, people, I know it's my machine. Take a chill > pill. I have a very stable CPU, a well ventilated machine, and a > jumperless > motherboard that makes it very easy to switch settings. However, > as I have > said, this machine has been rock solid (except for during a few of those > sketchy 3.1 release ;) I'll go ahead and try turning off the overclocking > and see if > a) it affects the voltage (which does worry me a bit) > b) I continue to see this load strangeness (I suspect I will) I never said you couldn't or that you should return it to normal nor am I bent out of shape, in anyway, with your decision to overclock. I merely offered it as a possible explanation to your problem until you gave us more info. I'd be a bit concerned about those voltages too, but hey, that's me. The 5 minute thing seems strange as well, is it always 5 minutes? I've never ran softupdates, could that be it? > > --David Bushong > FreeBSD freebsd@gtonet.net "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message