From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 0: 5: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8E537B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 00:04:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from stkitts.pacbell.net ([63.206.68.90]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G4900C0FHLNAV@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 23:46:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 23:48:41 -0800 From: Lee Doolan Subject: Re: cd /usr/ports; make clean In-reply-to: James's message of "Sat, 18 Nov 2000 23:16:33 -0800" To: James Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <7oofzcpfl2.fsf@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.6 Lines: 16 References: <200011190635.eAJ6ZRS94516@grumpy.dyndns.org> <20001118230305.A83848@evilcode.com> <20001119151138.A7434@bsdvm.jtjang.idv.tw> <20001118231633.A85206@evilcode.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "James" == James writes: James> On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 03:11:38PM +0800, Jing-Tang Keith James> Jang wrote: >> On 11/18/00, James wrote: > Or for a much faster solution: > >> find /usr/ports -type d -name work -prune -print -exec rm -r {} >> \; >> >> why not just "cd /usr/ports; rm -fr */*/work"? James> If I understand it correctly, there is a limit to the James> maximum number of command line arguments that a program can James> have. there is. it is large. man xargs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 1:21:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nebula.cybercable.fr (d217.dhcp212-126.cybercable.fr [212.198.126.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7754737B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 01:21:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from qualys.com (vim@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nebula.cybercable.fr (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAJ9Ml200437; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 10:22:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mux@qualys.com) Message-ID: <3A179BE6.B58EC32D@qualys.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 10:22:46 +0100 From: Maxime Henrion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-BETA i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Kelly , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cd /usr/ports; make clean References: <200011190635.eAJ6ZRS94516@grumpy.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG That's because the make clean in /usr/ports follows the dependencies which makes it clean a lot of ports several times... What you can try is to do a make -DNOCLEANDEPENDS clean. Regards, Maxime Henrion David Kelly wrote: > I'm sure to be off my rocker to suggest something like this 2 days > before -RELEASE, but sometimes I don't clean up after installing a port > and out of laziness simply do "make clean" from the /usr/ports/ > directory. Takes forever. And got to thinking about alternatives. > > # find /usr/ports -type d -name work -print -execdir make clean \; -prune > > is much faster than "make clean" from the top. It seems to work OK if a > clean target is put in /usr/ports/Makefile just prior to the .include > > > -- > David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net > ===================================================================== > The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its > capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Don't be fooled by cheap finnish imitations ; BSD is the One True Code To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 1:25:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from medianstrip.net (medianstrip.net [206.113.38.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC8A37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 01:25:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by medianstrip.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7C0AB59BA; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 04:25:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 04:25:05 -0500 From: mike ryan To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.2-BETA hangs on boot Message-ID: <20001119042505.A7076@medianstrip.net> Mail-Followup-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20001117172251.A34915@medianstrip.net> <20001116204344.B62344@bonsai.knology.net> <20001116195957.A62344@bonsai.knology.net> <200011170209.eAH297q51130@drugs.dv.isc.org> <20001116204344.B62344@bonsai.knology.net> <200011172203.PAA77619@harmony.village.org> <20001117172251.A34915@medianstrip.net> <200011172314.QAA78313@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200011172314.QAA78313@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 04:14:39PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 11/17/00, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <20001117172251.A34915@medianstrip.net> mike ryan writes: > : On 11/17/00, Warner Losh wrote: > : > This won't be changed. polling works on more systems than a specific > : > IRQ, and the IRQ to use varies so widely that any choice is likely to > : > be wrong. > : are the reasons why polling doesn't work on some hardware well > : understood? > > I wasn't aware that polling wasn't working until very recently. I > don't have a good idea how many machines this impacts. in that case, is there anything those of us with affected hardware can do to help diagnose this? for what it's worth, here's the behavior i'm seeing: on my vaio z505hs with a ricoh rl5c475 pci-cardbus bridge, polling mode works fine with the "plug & play o/s" bios option set to "yes". when i set that bios option to "no" (so usb works), the machine will occasionally (but not always) hang on boot after the pccard0 probe, with no cards inserted. i haven't tried booting with cards inserted. when the machine boots successfully, it will always hang on a card insertion. verbose boot messages are identical, regardless of bios settings: pcic-pci0: at device 12.0 on pci0 pcic-pci0: Legacy address set to 0x3e0 PCI Config space: 00: 04751180 02100007 06070080 00020000 10: 00000000 020000dc 00000000 00000000 20: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 30: 00000000 00000000 00000000 078001ff 40: 8082104d 000003e1 00000000 00000000 50: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 60: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 70: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 80: 00000001 00000000 04630463 30000000 90: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 Cardbus Socket registers: 00: f000ff53: f000ff53: f000e2c3: f000ff53: 10: f000ff53: f000ff54: f000a0bd: f000ff53: ExCa registers: 00: eb 88 d5 43 30 d2 66 f7 f3 88 d7 5a 66 3d ff 03 10: 00 00 fb 77 44 86 c4 c0 c8 02 08 e8 40 91 88 fe 20: 28 e0 8a 66 02 38 e0 72 02 88 e0 bf 05 00 c4 5e 30: 04 50 b4 02 cd 13 5b 73 0a 4f 74 1c 30 e4 cd 13 pcic0: at port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd8000 on isa0 pcic0: Polling mode stat is 33 pccard0: on pcic0 when a card insertion does freeze the machine, i can still drop to ddb. once in ddb, i can "next" a lot, and eventually ddb will disappear, the machine will be unfrozen, the freshly inserted card will probe and attach, and everything will continue normally except that a random process will have died on SIGTRAP. same thing on card removal. dropping to ddb and hitting "continue" doesn't work, only "next". this seems odd. at this point, i've got no idea how to proceed. i'm willing to perform experiments on request, though, if that would help... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 1:52:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from camus.cybercable.fr (camus.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6EE2B37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 01:52:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5443749 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2000 09:19:28 -0000 Received: from d217.dhcp212-126.cybercable.fr (HELO qualys.com) ([212.198.126.217]) (envelope-sender ) by camus.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Nov 2000 09:19:28 -0000 Message-ID: <3A179B68.D34A8586@qualys.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 10:20:40 +0100 From: Maxime Henrion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-BETA i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Kelly , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cd /usr/ports; make clean References: <200011190635.eAJ6ZRS94516@grumpy.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG That's because the make clean in /usr/ports follows the dependencies which makes it clean a lot of ports several times... What you can try is to do a make -DNOCLEANDEPENDS clean. Regards, Maxime Henrion David Kelly wrote: > I'm sure to be off my rocker to suggest something like this 2 days > before -RELEASE, but sometimes I don't clean up after installing a port > and out of laziness simply do "make clean" from the /usr/ports/ > directory. Takes forever. And got to thinking about alternatives. > > # find /usr/ports -type d -name work -print -execdir make clean \; -prune > > is much faster than "make clean" from the top. It seems to work OK if a > clean target is put in /usr/ports/Makefile just prior to the .include > > > -- > David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net > ===================================================================== > The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its > capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Don't be fooled by cheap finnish imitations ; BSD is the One True Code To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 4:55:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c1870039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C99D37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 04:55:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA15328 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:55:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3A17CDC1.7BFCA39B@eboa.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:55:29 +0100 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: 4.2-RC1 not (easily) bootable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yesterday I installed the 4.2 RC1 in dangerously dedicated mode on a SCSI disk I had lying around. Loo and behold, on booting I got: BTX loader 1.00 (BTX version 1.01) Error Client format not supported Same old, same old. I remembered having had to deal with just this somewhere in the 3.x release series. Alas, forgotten what it was. The disk was, of course, booteable by manual intervention. Still, that isn't, well, tidy. Roelof -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- eboaź (ingenieursburo Office Automation) web. http://eboa.com/ P.O. Box 55 mail info@eboa.com Weerd 24 est. 1982 8900 AB Leeuwarden tel. +31-58-2123014 the Netherlands fax. +31-58-2160293 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 5: 1:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c1870039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7478337B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 05:01:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA15356; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:01:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3A17CF16.2EBE2649@eboa.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:01:10 +0100 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: keith@freebsd.sinica.edu.tw Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd /usr/ports; make clean References: <200011190635.eAJ6ZRS94516@grumpy.dyndns.org> <20001118230305.A83848@evilcode.com> <20001119151138.A7434@bsdvm.jtjang.idv.tw> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jing-Tang Keith Jang wrote: > > -- > Keep it simple and stupid. A little off topic, but... This is too nice for an old USA army expression (genie forces). Try: Keep It Simple, Stupid! Roelof To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 5: 1:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156FB37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 05:01:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id FAA09925; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 05:00:53 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda09919; Sun Nov 19 05:00:35 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAJD0UI03061; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 05:00:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdJp3045; Sun Nov 19 04:59:43 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAJCxhS61880; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 04:59:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011191259.eAJCxhS61880@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdR61874; Sun Nov 19 04:59:12 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: keith@freebsd.sinica.edu.tw Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd /usr/ports; make clean In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:11:38 +0800." <20001119151138.A7434@bsdvm.jtjang.idv.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 04:59:12 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20001119151138.A7434@bsdvm.jtjang.idv.tw>, Jing-Tang Keith Jang wri tes: > On 11/18/00, James wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 12:35:27AM -0600, David Kelly wrote: > > > # find /usr/ports -type d -name work -print -execdir make clean \; -prune > > > > > > is much faster than "make clean" from the top. It seems to work OK if a > > > clean target is put in /usr/ports/Makefile just prior to the .include > > > > > > > Or for a much faster solution: > > find /usr/ports -type d -name work -prune -print -exec rm -r {} \; > > why not just "cd /usr/ports; rm -fr */*/work"? That takes forever tying up your shell looking for work directories. You can put a copy of the shell in the background so you get on with other tasks. cd /usr/ports && (rm -rf */*/work) & Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 5: 8:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC95737B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 05:08:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id FAA09948; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 05:07:53 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda09946; Sun Nov 19 05:07:43 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAJD7Y203113; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 05:07:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdBD3111; Sun Nov 19 05:06:43 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAJD6ha61960; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 05:06:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011191306.eAJD6ha61960@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdj61956; Sun Nov 19 05:06:37 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: James Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd /usr/ports; make clean In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Nov 2000 23:16:33 PST." <20001118231633.A85206@evilcode.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 05:06:37 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20001118231633.A85206@evilcode.com>, James writes: > On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 03:11:38PM +0800, Jing-Tang Keith Jang wrote: > > On 11/18/00, James wrote: > > > Or for a much faster solution: > > > find /usr/ports -type d -name work -prune -print -exec rm -r {} \; > > > > why not just "cd /usr/ports; rm -fr */*/work"? > > If I understand it correctly, there is a limit to the maximum number > of command line arguments that a program can have. That all depends on the number of work directories you have. If it's a few than letting the shell search for work directories is not a problem. If it's many then a find command piped to xargs is the most efficient answer. I think that people might have an idea of how much needs to be cleaned up, then choose the tool that works best. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 5:25:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bsdvm.jtjang.idv.tw (121.c74.ethome.net.tw [210.58.74.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D0B137B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 05:25:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from keith@localhost) by bsdvm.jtjang.idv.tw (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAJDPHw19830 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:25:17 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from keith) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:25:16 +0800 From: Jing-Tang Keith Jang To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd /usr/ports; make clean Message-ID: <20001119212516.A19754@bsdvm.jtjang.idv.tw> Reply-To: keith@freebsd.sinica.edu.tw Mail-Followup-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200011190635.eAJ6ZRS94516@grumpy.dyndns.org> <20001118230305.A83848@evilcode.com> <20001119151138.A7434@bsdvm.jtjang.idv.tw> <3A17CF16.2EBE2649@eboa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A17CF16.2EBE2649@eboa.com>; from roelof@eboa.com on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 02:01:10PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD bsdvm.jtjang.idv.tw 4.2-BETA FreeBSD 4.2-BETA Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 11/19/00, Roelof Osinga wrote: > Jing-Tang Keith Jang wrote: > > -- > > Keep it simple and stupid. > > A little off topic, but... This is too nice for an old USA army > expression (genie forces). Try: > > Keep It Simple, Stupid! This is intentional. :-) -- Keep it simple and stupid. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 7:27:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gaea.uk.clara.net (gaea.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE8E37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 07:27:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from du-014-0062.claranet.co.uk ([195.8.78.62] helo=biscuit.localdomain) by gaea.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 3.11 #4) id 13xWMt-000C1U-00; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:27:00 +0000 From: George Richard Russell Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:25:46 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG To: Lanny Baron , Michel Talon References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: StarOffice 5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00111911254600.00272@biscuit.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RBL-Warning: (dul.maps.vix.com) See Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > So if you can get it (staroffice52) to browse, would you be so kind as to > tell me what you did to get it to work. Used a local caching proxy, /usr/ports/www/wwwoffle Seems fine George Russell -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjoXuMQACgkQfhCCkEwuhFGPCQCgnvrMeVT+kJlaKdtlDDN0wfaJ D8AAnRYg1NOaFiPbMaFxZG1ktG3kLz61 =GSMZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 8:38:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D895137B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:38:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13553; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:38:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAJGcM639703; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:38:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:38:22 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Roelof Osinga Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.2-RC1 not (easily) bootable Message-ID: <20001119083822.A39683@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@freebsd.org References: <3A17CDC1.7BFCA39B@eboa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A17CDC1.7BFCA39B@eboa.com>; from roelof@eboa.com on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 01:55:29PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 01:55:29PM +0100, Roelof Osinga wrote: > Yesterday I installed the 4.2 RC1 in dangerously dedicated > mode on a SCSI disk I had lying around. Why did you choose a "dangerously dedicated" install? "dangerously dedicated" might go away in the future (as it doesn't leave space enough space for boot0). Unless the normal slice configuration won't work for you, there really is no good reason to use "dangerously dedicated". -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 8:40:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE6937B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:40:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13568; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:40:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAJGeDS39738; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:40:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:40:12 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: David Kelly Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd /usr/ports; make clean Message-ID: <20001119084012.B39683@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200011190635.eAJ6ZRS94516@grumpy.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011190635.eAJ6ZRS94516@grumpy.dyndns.org>; from dkelly@HiWAAY.net on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 12:35:27AM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 12:35:27AM -0600, David Kelly wrote: > I'm sure to be off my rocker to suggest something like this 2 days > before -RELEASE, but sometimes I don't clean up after installing a port ^^^^^^ WHY are you posting this in the -stable list?? This has nothing to do with anything specific to -stable. This 100% belongs in ports@freebsd.org. Please stay on-topic. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 8:58:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47BA37B4C5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:58:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA10650; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:58:21 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda10648; Sun Nov 19 08:58:09 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAJGw4G06426; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:58:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdOG6424; Sun Nov 19 08:57:49 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAJGvnZ63007; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:57:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011191657.eAJGvnZ63007@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdW63003; Sun Nov 19 08:56:59 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Roelof Osinga Subject: Dangerously Dedicated In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:38:22 PST." <20001119083822.A39683@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:56:59 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20001119083822.A39683@dragon.nuxi.com>, "David O'Brien" writes: > On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 01:55:29PM +0100, Roelof Osinga wrote: > > Yesterday I installed the 4.2 RC1 in dangerously dedicated > > mode on a SCSI disk I had lying around. > > Why did you choose a "dangerously dedicated" install? "dangerously > dedicated" might go away in the future (as it doesn't leave space enough > space for boot0). Unless the normal slice configuration won't work for > you, there really is no good reason to use "dangerously dedicated". If/when dangerously dedicated goes away, will there be special provision for Zip and Jazz disks? Or, will we need to put an fdisk style partition table on Zip and Jazz disks, then slice them with disklabel? Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 8:59:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scribe.pobox.com (scribe.pobox.com [208.210.124.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148AC37B4C5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:59:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [207.8.144.30]) by scribe.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F342D32587 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:59:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A1806EA.6E56BBDD@pobox.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:59:22 -0500 From: Jamil Taylor X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-BETA i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.2-RC1 not (easily) bootable References: <3A17CDC1.7BFCA39B@eboa.com> <20001119083822.A39683@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David O'Brien wrote: > Why did you choose a "dangerously dedicated" install? "dangerously > dedicated" might go away in the future (as it doesn't leave space enough > space for boot0). Unless the normal slice configuration won't work for > you, there really is no good reason to use "dangerously dedicated". What if you have multiple drives in your system? Wouldn't "dangerously dedicated" yield more disk space for use? I have three drives in my system, and my third drive is "dangerously dedicated" to FreeBSD. No other operating systems use that drive, so I saw no reason not to make it dangerously dedicated. Jamil To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 9:33:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from po3.glue.umd.edu (po3.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5ECA37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:33:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from glue.umd.edu (poseidon.student.umd.edu [129.2.144.21]) by po3.glue.umd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eAJHWEX22734; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:32:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A180EA0.31926227@glue.umd.edu> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:32:16 -0500 From: Brandon Fosdick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Roelof Osinga Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated References: <200011191657.eAJGvnZ63007@cwsys.cwsent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > > In message <20001119083822.A39683@dragon.nuxi.com>, "David O'Brien" > writes: > > On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 01:55:29PM +0100, Roelof Osinga wrote: > > > Yesterday I installed the 4.2 RC1 in dangerously dedicated > > > mode on a SCSI disk I had lying around. > > > > Why did you choose a "dangerously dedicated" install? "dangerously > > dedicated" might go away in the future (as it doesn't leave space enough > > space for boot0). Unless the normal slice configuration won't work for > > you, there really is no good reason to use "dangerously dedicated". > > If/when dangerously dedicated goes away, will there be special > provision for Zip and Jazz disks? Or, will we need to put an fdisk > style partition table on Zip and Jazz disks, then slice them with > disklabel? So we're going to be stuck with MS style partitions on machines that only run FreeBSD? I don't like this idea. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 9:44: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7249D37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:44:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13837; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:44:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAJHi0b66482; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:44:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:44:00 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Jamil Taylor Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.2-RC1 not (easily) bootable Message-ID: <20001119094400.A66448@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3A17CDC1.7BFCA39B@eboa.com> <20001119083822.A39683@dragon.nuxi.com> <3A1806EA.6E56BBDD@pobox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A1806EA.6E56BBDD@pobox.com>; from jamil_taylor@pobox.com on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 11:59:22AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 11:59:22AM -0500, Jamil Taylor wrote: > What if you have multiple drives in your system? Even more reason to use slices -- presumably at least one of the other two have a M$ OS on it. > Wouldn't "dangerously dedicated" yield more disk space for use? Surely you can spare the 1MB or so using a proper MBR and slice table would take away from you. > No other operating systems use that drive, so I saw no reason not to > make it dangerously dedicated. But it is a good idea to mark the disk properly so M$ utils and things like Partition Magic, System Commander, etc.. will know that disk contains data. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 9:47:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF79737B4C5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:47:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13856; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:47:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAJHlQs66513; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:47:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:47:25 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Brandon Fosdick Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated Message-ID: <20001119094725.B66448@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200011191657.eAJGvnZ63007@cwsys.cwsent.com> <3A180EA0.31926227@glue.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A180EA0.31926227@glue.umd.edu>; from bfoz@glue.umd.edu on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 12:32:16PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 12:32:16PM -0500, Brandon Fosdick wrote: > So we're going to be stuck with MS style partitions on machines that only run > FreeBSD? I don't like this idea. Can you tell why?? Just because it is "MS style partitions"?? BTW, slices aren't "MS style partitions", but "PC BIOS style partitions". As long as people insist on using Intel based computers, slices are demanded. Run FreeBSD on an Alpha if you don't like the idea of the PC BIOS 4-slot partition table with boundaries on cylinders and MBR. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 9:49:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F7437B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:49:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13863; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:49:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAJHnMW66539; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:49:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:49:22 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated Message-ID: <20001119094922.C66448@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20001119083822.A39683@dragon.nuxi.com> <200011191657.eAJGvnZ63007@cwsys.cwsent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011191657.eAJGvnZ63007@cwsys.cwsent.com>; from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 08:56:59AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 08:56:59AM -0800, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > If/when dangerously dedicated goes away, will there be special > provision for Zip and Jazz disks? Why is there a need? > Or, will we need to put an fdisk style partition table on Zip and Jazz > disks, then slice them with disklabel? What is wrong with doing this now that fdisk/disklabel has been fixed to create proper slices? -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 11:54:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c1870039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803E837B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:54:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA16400 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:54:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3A182FF9.7DB52EAE@eboa.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:54:33 +0100 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.2-RC1 not (easily) bootable References: <3A17CDC1.7BFCA39B@eboa.com> <20001119083822.A39683@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David O'Brien wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 01:55:29PM +0100, Roelof Osinga wrote: > > Yesterday I installed the 4.2 RC1 in dangerously dedicated > > mode on a SCSI disk I had lying around. > > Why did you choose a "dangerously dedicated" install? "dangerously > dedicated" might go away in the future (as it doesn't leave space enough > space for boot0). Unless the normal slice configuration won't work for > you, there really is no good reason to use "dangerously dedicated". No particular reason actually other than just because. But if that is so then I would suggest adding depreciated or so to the prompt. Too bad I didn't receive this note a tad earlier . Just wiped and reinstalled that disk. The funny thing is that it now boots as advertised. Ah well, one more oddity in a stream that has now held true for four days (and nights). Talking about oddities how about this one. I reinstalled RC1 because not all software got installed. So again I chose All. Again I have, like, no X11. Several other things are missing also. Like the last time part of the manpages likely. So it looks like I'll reinstall at least once again... Roelof -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- eboaź (ingenieursburo Office Automation) web. http://eboa.com/ P.O. Box 55 mail info@eboa.com Weerd 24 est. 1982 8900 AB Leeuwarden tel. +31-58-2123014 the Netherlands fax. +31-58-2160293 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 11:55:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from po4.glue.umd.edu (po4.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F8F37B479; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:55:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from glue.umd.edu (poseidon.student.umd.edu [129.2.144.21]) by po4.glue.umd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eAJJttU18482; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:55:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A18304B.689C2CFE@glue.umd.edu> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:55:55 -0500 From: Brandon Fosdick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated References: <200011191657.eAJGvnZ63007@cwsys.cwsent.com> <3A180EA0.31926227@glue.umd.edu> <20001119094725.B66448@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David O'Brien wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 12:32:16PM -0500, Brandon Fosdick wrote: > > So we're going to be stuck with MS style partitions on machines that only run > > FreeBSD? I don't like this idea. > > Can you tell why?? Just because it is "MS style partitions"?? Using what I consider to be a artifact of another operating system on a machine that doesn't use that OS seems silly to me. Unless, of course, that artifact has some useful feature(s) or functionality. If it does, I'm all ears. > BTW, slices aren't "MS style partitions", but "PC BIOS style partitions". > As long as people insist on using Intel based computers, slices are > demanded. Run FreeBSD on an Alpha if you don't like the idea of the PC > BIOS 4-slot partition table with boundaries on cylinders and MBR. I'm a little confused here. Why are slices demanded by the Intel arhictecture? We've been successfully using DD mode for years now, if slices are "demanded" what kind of voodoo have we been using? Is there some way or ways in which the 4-slot table is superior to DD-mode? You mentioned not having enough space for boot0. Why can't we just change DD-mode to have space for boot0? -Brandon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 12:27:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c1870039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B79F37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA16547 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:27:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3A1837A3.30DDD59C@eboa.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:27:15 +0100 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RC1 install size Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a df on a freesh install: %df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/da0s1a 99183 27897 63352 31% / /dev/da0s1e 99183 1 91248 0% /tmp /dev/da0s1g 1984279 170593 1654944 9% /usr /dev/da0s1f 99183 549 90700 1% /var procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc %uname -a FreeBSD nisse.nisser.com 4.2-RC1 FreeBSD 4.2-RC1 #0: Wed Nov 8 00:04:00 GMT 2000 jkh@narf.osd.bsdi.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 % Is just way to slim. Also have no /usr/ports directory, nor /usr/X*, have only one game in /usr/games, etc, etc. Have only access to 3.x boxes right now, but this doesn't seem right. I've done FTP installs using ftp.nl.freebsd.org as mirror. Selected the install all installation option. For a release candidate this doesn't fit the bill. Roelof PS Heck, not even a README: %ls -F crypto/ kerberos5/ kerberosIV/ secure/ %pwd /usr/src % -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- eboaź (ingenieursburo Office Automation) web. http://eboa.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 12:35:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B562737B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:35:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAJKZAI67545; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:35:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Roelof Osinga Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RC1 install size In-Reply-To: Message from Roelof Osinga of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:27:15 +0100." <3A1837A3.30DDD59C@eboa.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:35:10 -0800 Message-ID: <67542.974666110@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have no idea what you are trying to say here. - Jordan > This is a df on a freesh install: > > %df > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/da0s1a 99183 27897 63352 31% / > /dev/da0s1e 99183 1 91248 0% /tmp > /dev/da0s1g 1984279 170593 1654944 9% /usr > /dev/da0s1f 99183 549 90700 1% /var > procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc > %uname -a > FreeBSD nisse.nisser.com 4.2-RC1 FreeBSD 4.2-RC1 #0: Wed Nov 8 00:04:00 > GMT 2000 jkh@narf.osd.bsdi.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 > % > > Is just way to slim. Also have no /usr/ports directory, nor > /usr/X*, have only one game in /usr/games, etc, etc. > > Have only access to 3.x boxes right now, but this doesn't seem > right. I've done FTP installs using ftp.nl.freebsd.org as mirror. > Selected the install all installation option. > > For a release candidate this doesn't fit the bill. > > Roelof > > PS Heck, not even a README: > > %ls -F > crypto/ kerberos5/ kerberosIV/ secure/ > %pwd > /usr/src > % > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > eboaź (ingenieursburo Office Automation) web. http://eboa.com/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 12:40: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dilbert.sacoriver.net (dilbert.mix-net.net [216.64.56.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E88937B4C5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:40:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from loqtis (dsl-098.sacoriver.net [64.31.104.99]) by dilbert.sacoriver.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA03795 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:39:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000901c05269$1c6775c0$0100a8c0@loqtis> From: "Brent" To: Subject: please add me to your mailing list Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:41:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG please add me to your mailing list Thank you Brent Bailey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 12:57:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c1870039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD2E37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:57:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA16651; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:57:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3A183EBA.DEA87DEE@eboa.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:57:30 +0100 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RC1 install size References: <67542.974666110@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > I have no idea what you are trying to say here. Depends on the meaning of release candidate. Traditionally that means a candidate for release. I.e. the product is out of beta test and complete. If so then what I was trying to say is that it is not. At least regarding completeness. If this is indeed a release candidate then I should suspend release if I were you. It's missing some details. Roelof -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- eboaź (ingenieursburo Office Automation) web. http://eboa.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 13: 1:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2A637B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:01:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAJL17I67757; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:01:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Roelof Osinga Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RC1 install size In-Reply-To: Message from Roelof Osinga of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:57:30 +0100." <3A183EBA.DEA87DEE@eboa.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:01:07 -0800 Message-ID: <67753.974667667@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Erm, I guess the practice of providing details has fallen out of fashion or something since I still have NO IDEA what you are referring to. How is it incomplete? What is missing? I am looking at the image here, for example, and I see a full set of OS bits, a full XFree86 distribution, a full set of packages, etc. If you could be more specific about just how and where it is "incomplete", we might start getting somewhere. - Jordan > Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > > > I have no idea what you are trying to say here. > > Depends on the meaning of release candidate. Traditionally that > means a candidate for release. I.e. the product is out of beta > test and complete. If so then what I was trying to say is > that it is not. At least regarding completeness. If this is > indeed a release candidate then I should suspend release if > I were you. It's missing some details. > > Roelof > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > eboaź (ingenieursburo Office Automation) web. http://eboa.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 13:29:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-178-138.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.178.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D5A37B4C5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:29:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAJLZxF09603; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:35:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011192135.eAJLZxF09603@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Roelof Osinga Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:56:59 PST." <200011191657.eAJGvnZ63007@cwsys.cwsent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:35:59 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message <20001119083822.A39683@dragon.nuxi.com>, "David O'Brien" > writes: > > On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 01:55:29PM +0100, Roelof Osinga wrote: > > > Yesterday I installed the 4.2 RC1 in dangerously dedicated > > > mode on a SCSI disk I had lying around. > > > > Why did you choose a "dangerously dedicated" install? "dangerously > > dedicated" might go away in the future (as it doesn't leave space enough > > space for boot0). Unless the normal slice configuration won't work for > > you, there really is no good reason to use "dangerously dedicated". > > If/when dangerously dedicated goes away, will there be special > provision for Zip and Jazz disks? Why would there be? > Or, will we need to put an fdisk > style partition table on Zip and Jazz disks, then slice them with > disklabel? They're just normal disks. Heck, they even come from the factory with slice tables on them. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 13:32:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-178-138.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.178.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7502937B4C5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:32:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAJLcwF09621; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:38:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011192138.eAJLcwF09621@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Brandon Fosdick Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Roelof Osinga Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:32:16 EST." <3A180EA0.31926227@glue.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:38:58 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > So we're going to be stuck with MS style partitions on machines that only run > FreeBSD? I don't like this idea. Please don't resuscitate this argument *again*. They're not "MS-style partitions"; the MBR slice table is mandated by the PC platform specification and there's simply nothing you can do about that. You might as well bitch that we call the "MS-style BIOS", or use "MS-style ACPI information", or "read the MS-style SMAP memory layout data" or "run on the MS-style x86 processors". This is how the platform works. Deal with it. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 13:49:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-178-138.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.178.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C395837B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:49:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAJLu5F09713; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:56:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011192156.eAJLu5F09713@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Brandon Fosdick Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:55:55 EST." <3A18304B.689C2CFE@glue.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:56:05 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Using what I consider to be a artifact of another operating system on a > machine that doesn't use that OS seems silly to me. Unless, of course, > that artifact has some useful feature(s) or functionality. If it does, I'm > all ears. What "you consider" doesn't have much bearing on the situation. As for useful functionality, this has been done to death. It should be enough for you to accept that the platform requires it, and that a goodly slice of platform-compliant firmware and software will fail in undesirable ways if it's not present. All of which has been explained in excruciating detail before. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 13:54:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.techometer.net (techometer.net [216.240.169.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC84237B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:54:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from emechler@localhost) by lucifer.techometer.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAJLrk866646; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:53:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:53:46 -0800 From: Erick Mechler To: Brent Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: please add me to your mailing list Message-ID: <20001119135346.A66504@lucifer.techometer.net> References: <000901c05269$1c6775c0$0100a8c0@loqtis> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000901c05269$1c6775c0$0100a8c0@loqtis>; from Brent on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 03:41:35PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Please read the docs...http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html --Erick At Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 03:41:35PM -0500, Brent said this: :: please add me to your mailing list :: :: Thank you Brent Bailey :: :: :: :: :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :: with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 13:56: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17F337B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:56:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from billy-club.village.org (billy-club.village.org [10.0.0.3]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAJLu2Q19297; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:56:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@billy-club.village.org) Received: from billy-club.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by billy-club.village.org (8.11.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id eAJLtkG03520; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:55:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011192155.eAJLtkG03520@billy-club.village.org> To: Tony Finch Subject: Re: Auto increment on kernel version Cc: Szilveszter Adam , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:33:45 GMT." <20001118113345.F448@hand.dotat.at> References: <20001118113345.F448@hand.dotat.at> <00111820013502.09278@shalimar.net.au> <20001118101228.A19364@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:55:46 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20001118113345.F448@hand.dotat.at> Tony Finch writes: : *and* the same obj directory. This latter condition is not maintained : if you use `make buildkernel`. *and* you don't use config -r :-) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 13:56:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F16E37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:56:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from billy-club.village.org (billy-club.village.org [10.0.0.3]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAJLupQ19307; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:56:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@billy-club.village.org) Received: from billy-club.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by billy-club.village.org (8.11.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id eAJLubG03533; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:56:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011192156.eAJLubG03533@billy-club.village.org> To: Gabriel Ambuehl Subject: Re: Kernel broken? Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:17:39 +0100." <138165316833.20001118141739@buz.ch> References: <138165316833.20001118141739@buz.ch> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:56:37 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <138165316833.20001118141739@buz.ch> Gabriel Ambuehl writes: : Hello, : I just attempted to build a new 4-STABLE Kernel (cvsup some minutes ago) : (somewhat customized, mainly OPTIONS CODA and OPTIONS : IPFILTER) which failed. I tryed to do it on a machine we did This is the classic "I didn't read UPDATING, and things aren't working" symptom. You must use make buildkernel if you are upgrading. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 13:59: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A1537B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:58:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from billy-club.village.org (billy-club.village.org [10.0.0.3]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAJLwvQ19316; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:58:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@billy-club.village.org) Received: from billy-club.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by billy-club.village.org (8.11.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id eAJLwhG03546; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:58:43 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011192158.eAJLwhG03546@billy-club.village.org> To: "robi" Subject: Re: minimal (binary) installation upgrade Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Nov 2000 20:05:28 +0100." References: Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:58:43 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message "robi" writes: : I have a pc with a small HD and a minimal (just binary, no docs, : no man, no src, etc...) 4.0-RELEASE. Now I want to upgrade it : to STABLE using a second PC where I cvsup'd STABLE. You can build a snapshot, get the tarball, and then do the same minimal extract as is done in the installation, with etc/* trimmed from the list. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 14: 2:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8BD37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:02:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from billy-club.village.org (billy-club.village.org [10.0.0.3]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAJM2qQ19334; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:02:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@billy-club.village.org) Received: from billy-club.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by billy-club.village.org (8.11.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id eAJM2cG03593; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:02:38 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011192202.eAJM2cG03593@billy-club.village.org> To: James Subject: Re: cd /usr/ports; make clean Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Nov 2000 23:16:33 PST." <20001118231633.A85206@evilcode.com> References: <20001118231633.A85206@evilcode.com> <200011190635.eAJ6ZRS94516@grumpy.dyndns.org> <20001118230305.A83848@evilcode.com> <20001119151138.A7434@bsdvm.jtjang.idv.tw> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:02:38 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20001118231633.A85206@evilcode.com> James writes: : If I understand it correctly, there is a limit to the maximum number : of command line arguments that a program can have. Yes, but unless you've built all the ports, you won't even come close to hitting that limit. There are 4200 ports, which is below the limit as far as counts go (which is 8192, iirc). You might hit the 64k total arg length limit. When I have a boatload of ports to delete, I use something like: find /usr/ports -name work -type d -prune | xargs rm -rf so that I don't exec too many times, but yet I don't overflow the argument size limits. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 14: 5:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F7437B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:05:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from billy-club.village.org (billy-club.village.org [10.0.0.3]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAJM5eQ19347; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:05:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@billy-club.village.org) Received: from billy-club.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by billy-club.village.org (8.11.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id eAJM5QG03609; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:05:26 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011192205.eAJM5QG03609@billy-club.village.org> To: mike ryan Subject: Re: 4.2-BETA hangs on boot Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 04:25:05 EST." <20001119042505.A7076@medianstrip.net> References: <20001119042505.A7076@medianstrip.net> <20001117172251.A34915@medianstrip.net> <20001116204344.B62344@bonsai.knology.net> <20001116195957.A62344@bonsai.knology.net> <200011170209.eAH297q51130@drugs.dv.isc.org> <20001116204344.B62344@bonsai.knology.net> <200011172203.PAA77619@harmony.village.org> <20001117172251.A34915@medianstrip.net> <200011172314.QAA78313@harmony.village.org> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:05:26 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20001119042505.A7076@medianstrip.net> mike ryan writes: : in that case, is there anything those of us with affected hardware : can do to help diagnose this? Maybe. : for what it's worth, here's the behavior i'm seeing: on my vaio : z505hs with a ricoh rl5c475 pci-cardbus bridge, polling mode works : fine with the "plug & play o/s" bios option set to "yes". when i : set that bios option to "no" (so usb works), the machine will : occasionally (but not always) hang on boot after the pccard0 probe, : with no cards inserted. i haven't tried booting with cards : inserted. when the machine boots successfully, it will always hang : on a card insertion. Odd, my always works in polling mode. I have the same bridge, but the PCG-505TS instead of the x505hs. The PnP "no" setting causes more of the devices to have interrupts assigned and routed. The "yes" setting doesn't. You are running into interrupt hell that has little to do with the actual card bus bridge and more to do with FreeBSD's inability to cope properly before -current of about BSDcon. : when a card insertion does freeze the machine, i can still drop to : ddb. once in ddb, i can "next" a lot, and eventually ddb will : disappear, the machine will be unfrozen, the freshly inserted card : will probe and attach, and everything will continue normally except : that a random process will have died on SIGTRAP. same thing on card : removal. dropping to ddb and hitting "continue" doesn't work, only : "next". this seems odd. Where are you dropping into ddb at? That would be useful information. : at this point, i've got no idea how to proceed. i'm willing to : perform experiments on request, though, if that would help... I'm not sure how much it would help. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 14: 8:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9A837B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:08:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from billy-club.village.org (billy-club.village.org [10.0.0.3]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAJM7wQ19363; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:07:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@billy-club.village.org) Received: from billy-club.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by billy-club.village.org (8.11.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id eAJM7hG03622; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:07:43 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011192207.eAJM7hG03622@billy-club.village.org> To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Roelof Osinga In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:56:59 PST." <200011191657.eAJGvnZ63007@cwsys.cwsent.com> References: <200011191657.eAJGvnZ63007@cwsys.cwsent.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:07:43 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200011191657.eAJGvnZ63007@cwsys.cwsent.com> Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group writes: : If/when dangerously dedicated goes away, will there be special : provision for Zip and Jazz disks? Or, will we need to put an fdisk : style partition table on Zip and Jazz disks, then slice them with : disklabel? Booting off of dangerously dedicated disks will go away. I suspect that things will work with them. I'd be tempted to put an fdisk style partition on the jazz/zip disks in any event. It is now trivial to do (fdisk -I daX), doesn't cost much (like 32k iirc) and keeps you from shooting yourself in the head later. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 14: 9:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F16F37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:09:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from billy-club.village.org (billy-club.village.org [10.0.0.3]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAJM9JQ19372; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:09:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@billy-club.village.org) Received: from billy-club.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by billy-club.village.org (8.11.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id eAJM95G03635; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:09:05 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011192209.eAJM95G03635@billy-club.village.org> To: Jamil Taylor Subject: Re: 4.2-RC1 not (easily) bootable Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:59:22 EST." <3A1806EA.6E56BBDD@pobox.com> References: <3A1806EA.6E56BBDD@pobox.com> <3A17CDC1.7BFCA39B@eboa.com> <20001119083822.A39683@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:09:05 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <3A1806EA.6E56BBDD@pobox.com> Jamil Taylor writes: : What if you have multiple drives in your system? Wouldn't "dangerously : dedicated" yield more disk space for use? I have three drives in my : system, and my third drive is "dangerously dedicated" to FreeBSD. No : other operating systems use that drive, so I saw no reason not to make : it dangerously dedicated. The amount of extra space is not worth fussing about (it is on the order of a few 10's of k, either 32k or 64k depending on the make and model of your hard drive). Dangerously dedicated also causes heartburn for many BIOSes because it has a bogus fdisk table on it. :-( Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 14:10:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD4637B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:10:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from billy-club.village.org (billy-club.village.org [10.0.0.3]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAJMAkQ19387; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:10:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@billy-club.village.org) Received: from billy-club.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by billy-club.village.org (8.11.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id eAJMAWG03651; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:10:32 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011192210.eAJMAWG03651@billy-club.village.org> To: Brandon Fosdick Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Roelof Osinga In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:32:16 EST." <3A180EA0.31926227@glue.umd.edu> References: <3A180EA0.31926227@glue.umd.edu> <200011191657.eAJGvnZ63007@cwsys.cwsent.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:10:32 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <3A180EA0.31926227@glue.umd.edu> Brandon Fosdick writes: : So we're going to be stuck with MS style partitions on machines that only run : FreeBSD? I don't like this idea. First, these aren't MS style partitions. They are part of the PC spec. FreeBSD is lying to the BIOS with the MBR that we put onto the disk, and that causes problems. Second, the amount of space wasted is nearly 0 (32k on most IDE disks, 64k on scsi). Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 14:14:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7250637B479; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:14:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from billy-club.village.org (billy-club.village.org [10.0.0.3]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAJMEdQ19401; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:14:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@billy-club.village.org) Received: from billy-club.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by billy-club.village.org (8.11.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id eAJMEPG03693; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:14:25 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011192214.eAJMEPG03693@billy-club.village.org> To: Brandon Fosdick Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:55:55 EST." <3A18304B.689C2CFE@glue.umd.edu> References: <3A18304B.689C2CFE@glue.umd.edu> <200011191657.eAJGvnZ63007@cwsys.cwsent.com> <3A180EA0.31926227@glue.umd.edu> <20001119094725.B66448@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:14:25 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <3A18304B.689C2CFE@glue.umd.edu> Brandon Fosdick writes: : Using what I consider to be a artifact of another operating system : on a machine that doesn't use that OS seems silly to me. Unless, of : course, that artifact has some useful feature(s) or : functionality. If it does, I'm all ears. But it isn't an artifact of another OS. It is an artifact of the BIOS. : I'm a little confused here. Why are slices demanded by the Intel : arhictecture? The BIOS demands that they are there. At least some modern BIOSes don't do well when they aren't there. It is the PC-AT architecture to be more specific. : We've been successfully using DD mode for years now, if slices are "demanded" : what kind of voodoo have we been using? The problem is the bogus MBR that the DD writes confuses some BIOSes and causes your disks to be non-bootable. : Is there some way or ways in which the 4-slot table is superior to DD-mode? The 4 slot table already is there in DD mode. It just happens to contain completely bogus data. : You mentioned not having enough space for boot0. Why can't we just change : DD-mode to have space for boot0? Sure, you can do that by putting a proper MBR on the disk :-). The whole problem comes in with the bogus MBR that DD puts on the disk. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 14:16:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A9637B479; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:16:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03915; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:15:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08868; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:15:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14872.20766.675326.503604@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:15:58 -0700 (MST) To: Mike Smith Cc: Brandon Fosdick , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated In-Reply-To: <200011192156.eAJLu5F09713@mass.osd.bsdi.com> References: <3A18304B.689C2CFE@glue.umd.edu> <200011192156.eAJLu5F09713@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Using what I consider to be a artifact of another operating system on a > > machine that doesn't use that OS seems silly to me. Unless, of course, > > that artifact has some useful feature(s) or functionality. If it does, I'm > > all ears. > > What "you consider" doesn't have much bearing on the situation. As for > useful functionality, this has been done to death. It should be enough > for you to accept that the platform requires it Except that it doesn't, as 'dangerously dedicated' mode shows. >, and that a goodly slice > of platform-compliant firmware and software will fail in undesirable ways > if it's not present. All of which has been explained in excruciating > detail before. Except that the software hasn't always required it previously, and it previously did not fail. Some would call this 'regression', but I suppose others will call it 'progress'. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 14:17:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACFCB37B479; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:17:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03952; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:17:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08880; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:17:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14872.20864.904617.287982@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:17:36 -0700 (MST) To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Cc: Mike Smith , Brandon Fosdick , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated In-Reply-To: <14872.20766.675326.503604@nomad.yogotech.com> References: <3A18304B.689C2CFE@glue.umd.edu> <200011192156.eAJLu5F09713@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <14872.20766.675326.503604@nomad.yogotech.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Using what I consider to be a artifact of another operating system on a > > > machine that doesn't use that OS seems silly to me. Unless, of course, > > > that artifact has some useful feature(s) or functionality. If it does, I'm > > > all ears. > > > > What "you consider" doesn't have much bearing on the situation. As for > > useful functionality, this has been done to death. It should be enough > > for you to accept that the platform requires it > > Except that it doesn't, as 'dangerously dedicated' mode shows. > > >, and that a goodly slice > > of platform-compliant firmware and software will fail in undesirable ways > > if it's not present. All of which has been explained in excruciating > > detail before. > > Except that the software hasn't always required it previously, and it > previously did not fail. > > Some would call this 'regression', but I suppose others will call it > 'progress'. Note, this isn't directed at Mike (far from it), but more at the PC architecture, which seems to take one step forward, and then shoot itself in the other foot more often than not. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 14:24:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-178-138.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.178.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6710837B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:24:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAJMVIF09854; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:31:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011192231.eAJMVIF09854@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Cc: Brandon Fosdick , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:15:58 MST." <14872.20766.675326.503604@nomad.yogotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:31:18 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Using what I consider to be a artifact of another operating system on a > > > machine that doesn't use that OS seems silly to me. Unless, of course, > > > that artifact has some useful feature(s) or functionality. If it does, I'm > > > all ears. > > > > What "you consider" doesn't have much bearing on the situation. As for > > useful functionality, this has been done to death. It should be enough > > for you to accept that the platform requires it > > Except that it doesn't, as 'dangerously dedicated' mode shows. "DD" mode has never worked properly. Ever since it's been in existence, it's show that a valid slice table is necessary. > >, and that a goodly slice > > of platform-compliant firmware and software will fail in undesirable ways > > if it's not present. All of which has been explained in excruciating > > detail before. > > Except that the software hasn't always required it previously, and it > previously did not fail. It has, and it previously did fail. > Some would call this 'regression', but I suppose others will call it > 'progress'. Some would just call it "making stuff work", which is the whole point of the exercise. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 14:33:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from emerald.oz.net (emerald2.oz.net [216.39.128.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDAA737B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:33:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from seamud.sam.com (sense-sea-MegaSub-1-890.oz.net [216.39.170.129]) by emerald.oz.net (8.9.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25975 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:32:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from sam (sam.sam.com [10.0.0.2]) by seamud.sam.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eAJMXIa47673 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:33:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from samz@oz.net) Message-ID: <008901c05278$b71a6f50$0200000a@sam> Reply-To: "Sam Zamarripa" From: "Sam Zamarripa" To: References: <200011192231.eAJMVIF09854@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:33:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have been using DD since I first starting followin stable in the 3.0 days with no problems. When and if DD is taken out, do all of us with DD disks be required to reformat our drives? This would be a real big pain if so. Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 14:39:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDCF37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:39:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAJMdDa90818; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:39:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:39:13 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200011192239.eAJMdDa90818@earth.backplane.com> To: Warner Losh Cc: James , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd /usr/ports; make clean References: <20001118231633.A85206@evilcode.com> <200011190635.eAJ6ZRS94516@grumpy.dyndns.org> <20001118230305.A83848@evilcode.com> <20001119151138.A7434@bsdvm.jtjang.idv.tw> <200011192202.eAJM2cG03593@billy-club.village.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :In message <20001118231633.A85206@evilcode.com> James writes: :: If I understand it correctly, there is a limit to the maximum number :: of command line arguments that a program can have. : :Yes, but unless you've built all the ports, you won't even come close :to hitting that limit. There are 4200 ports, which is below the :limit as far as counts go (which is 8192, iirc). You might hit the :64k total arg length limit. : :When I have a boatload of ports to delete, I use something like: : find /usr/ports -name work -type d -prune | xargs rm -rf :so that I don't exec too many times, but yet I don't overflow the :argument size limits. : :Warner Since I export /usr/ports read-only, I never put my work directories in the ports hierarchy itself. I set /etc/make.conf to: WRKDIRPREFIX= /var/tmp Or something similar, then simply 'rm -rf /var/tmp/usr' when it gets full or I want to clean it out. (I have a big /var/tmp to accomodate it, but there is nothing preventing you from creating a directory in /usr to hold the workdirs either). -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 14:40:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from urth.vastmind.org (urth.powersurfr.com [24.108.7.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B39E637B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:40:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (uberbook.vastmind.org [192.168.0.3]) by urth.vastmind.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAJMe7608997 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:40:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jspencer@epsb.net) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jspencer@mail.epsb.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200011192214.eAJMEPG03693@billy-club.village.org> References: <3A18304B.689C2CFE@glue.umd.edu> <200011191657.eAJGvnZ63007@cwsys.cwsent.com> <3A180EA0.31926227@glue.umd.edu> <20001119094725.B66448@dragon.nuxi.com> <200011192214.eAJMEPG03693@billy-club.village.org> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:40:09 -0700 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Jason Spencer Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 3:14 PM -0700 11/19/2000, Warner Losh wrote: >: I'm a little confused here. Why are slices demanded by the Intel >: arhictecture? > >The BIOS demands that they are there. At least some modern BIOSes >don't do well when they aren't there. > >It is the PC-AT architecture to be more specific. > >: We've been successfully using DD mode for years now, if slices are >"demanded" >: what kind of voodoo have we been using? > >The problem is the bogus MBR that the DD writes confuses some BIOSes >and causes your disks to be non-bootable. > >: Is there some way or ways in which the 4-slot table is superior to DD-mode? > >The 4 slot table already is there in DD mode. It just happens to >contain completely bogus data. > >: You mentioned not having enough space for boot0. Why can't we just change >: DD-mode to have space for boot0? > >Sure, you can do that by putting a proper MBR on the disk :-). The >whole problem comes in with the bogus MBR that DD puts on the disk. So maybe we need to change the docs. When I chose DD mode I thought "Okay, I'm not going to be using MS *anything* so DD mode will just reduce some overhead perhaps and make things work like the more sane platforms." I had no idea that actually I was faking out the BIOS with bogus data. I thought "dangerous" was used in the cute sense of the word ;) So does this mean I'm going to have to format my disks when I say, upgrade to 5.0? On a related note, is this anything to worry about? $ pstat -s Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Type /dev/ad0s1b 563072 0 563072 0% Interleaved /dev/rad2s1b 267248 0 267248 0% Interleaved One of my swap partitions shows up as a raw device and the other doesn't. -j. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 15: 9: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D7737B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:09:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAJN8q714360; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:08:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Message-Id: <200011192308.eAJN8q714360@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Matt Dillon Cc: Warner Losh , James , stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Image-URL: http://www.transsys.com/louie/images/louie-mail.jpg From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: cd /usr/ports; make clean References: <20001118231633.A85206@evilcode.com> <200011190635.eAJ6ZRS94516@grumpy.dyndns.org> <20001118230305.A83848@evilcode.com> <20001119151138.A7434@bsdvm.jtjang.idv.tw> <200011192202.eAJM2cG03593@billy-club.village.org> <200011192239.eAJMdDa90818@earth.backplane.com> In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:39:13 PST." <200011192239.eAJMdDa90818@earth.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:08:52 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Since I export /usr/ports read-only, I never put my work directories > in the ports hierarchy itself. I set /etc/make.conf to: > > WRKDIRPREFIX= /var/tmp Hey, this is very cool! This should be listed in /etc/defaults/make.conf. And I guess that you have a symlink for /usr/ports/distfiles too? louie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 15:16:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bunning.skiltech.com (bunning.skiltech.com [216.235.79.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC9637B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:16:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ashburn.skiltech.com (ashburn.skiltech.com [216.235.79.239]) by bunning.skiltech.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAJNGkR27762 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:16:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from minter@ashburn.skiltech.com) Received: (from minter@localhost) by ashburn.skiltech.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAJNGbY06397; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:16:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from minter) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:16:37 -0500 (EST) From: "H. Wade Minter" X-Sender: minter@ashburn.skiltech.com To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Bizarre email problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've run into a situation that's got me completely stumped. I'm running FreeBSD-4.2 Beta (cvsup'd and rebuilt last night) in a virtual hosting environment. I have to machines, ashburn and bunning. ashburn is the web host, bunning is the mail host. Most of our hosts use the ip address of ashburn, but a few have their own IPs, aliased onto ashburn. Yesterday, I had to change those IPs to new ones, also aliased onto ashburn. When I did that, however, strange mail stuff started happening. Clients on ashburn have various CGI scripts to send email. After the change, mail that originates on ashburn for the domains that got the new IP addresses is trying to be delievered directly to ashburn, even though nslookup shows that ashburn knows that the preferred MX host is bunning. There's nothing for these hosts in sendmail.cw or the virtusertable, either. If I try to send mail directly to "user@affected_domain.com" from ashburn, it bounces immediately with "Unknown user". Mail sent from outside ashburn gets to the correct place. The problem looks like the local sendmail on ashburn believes that these domains are listed in the sendmail.cw file, which they're not. If anyone has any idea what could be going on, I'd love to hear it. I'm completely stumped. --Wade To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 15:23:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0F737B4C5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:23:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAJNL1t58974; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:51:01 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:51:00 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Sam Zamarripa Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001120095100.G58333@echunga.lemis.com> References: <200011192231.eAJMVIF09854@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <008901c05278$b71a6f50$0200000a@sam> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <008901c05278$b71a6f50$0200000a@sam>; from samz@oz.net on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 02:33:17PM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 14:33:17 -0800, Sam Zamarripa wrote: > I have been using DD since I first starting followin stable in the 3.0 days > with no problems. When and if DD is taken out, do all of us with DD disks be > required to reformat our drives? This would be a real big > pain if so. Thanks. As far as I know, there has been no decision to remove dedicated mode. I for one would strongly oppose it. Arguments about bootstraps and BIOS are bogus: on a dedicated machine, you only need a bootstrap on the boot disk, so any additional disks can always be dedicated. But to answer your question: if you have to change from dedicated to a Microsoft compatible layout, yes, you'll have to rebuild all your file systems. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 15:24: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E7037B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAJNO1891133; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:24:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:24:01 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200011192324.eAJNO1891133@earth.backplane.com> To: "Louis A. Mamakos" Cc: Warner Losh , James , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd /usr/ports; make clean References: <20001118231633.A85206@evilcode.com> <200011190635.eAJ6ZRS94516@grumpy.dyndns.org> <20001118230305.A83848@evilcode.com> <20001119151138.A7434@bsdvm.jtjang.idv.tw> <200011192202.eAJM2cG03593@billy-club.village.org> <200011192239.eAJMdDa90818@earth.backplane.com> <200011192308.eAJN8q714360@whizzo.transsys.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : : :> Since I export /usr/ports read-only, I never put my work directories :> in the ports hierarchy itself. I set /etc/make.conf to: :> :> WRKDIRPREFIX= /var/tmp : :Hey, this is very cool! This should be listed in /etc/defaults/make.conf. :And I guess that you have a symlink for /usr/ports/distfiles too? : :louie Yes. /usr/ports/distfiles is a symlink to /usr/ports.distfiles on the NFS server. I then mkdir /usr/ports.distfiles on the NFS server. The client configuration depends on the client: * client has local-disk /usr, simply mkdir /usr/ports.distfiles. done. * client is diskless, simply do a mount_mfs on /usr/ports.distfiles. (make it big, assuming you have sufficient swap). etc. Works wonderfully. Without it building ports on workstations is a mess. It would be even better if the ports system could look in two places for distfiles ... so I could build up local repository on the NFS server that clients would use directly, and still allow clients to download distributions into local directories when the NFS server doesn't have the request. I do the same thing for /usr/src and /usr/obj. /usr/src read only NFS export /usr/obj read only NFS export /usr/ports read only NFS export This beats dup'ing the entire ports and source hierarchy on every box, and makes building the world and installing on workstations with local disks trivial. You build the world on the server, then simply 'make installworld' on each workstation. Same thing with kernels... build on the server, install from each workstation. It's easy to automate, too, and no-risk of exposure since the NFS exports are read-only (you could be paranoid and run the mounts through IPSEC links too if you wanted, but I usually don't bother). -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 15:28:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from resnetnt.resnet.uconn.edu (resnet.resnet.uconn.edu [137.99.156.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7002337B4CF for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:28:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by resnetnt.resnet.uconn.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:26:12 -0500 Message-ID: <9F36E367710D474E9806AA393FE737FB019EBE@resnetnt.resnet.uconn.edu> From: Peter Lai To: "'stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: lnc0 and AT1500 NICs Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:26:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a slackware system that I am converting to FreeBSD 4.1.1 I would like to do a network install via ftp. I have an AT1500 NIC (ISA) which evidently works with a lance-amd driver (in linux). I selected `lnc0' in the initial kernel startup menu (after mfsroot loads). I try to get an IP from the DHCP server which has worked in the freebsd box sitting next to this one. The DEBUG screen shows that lnc0 fails to initialise, and then finally after multiple attemtps, it says `unable to run DAD, possible driver problem?'. Is there some hack to get this NIC working? the AT1500 is listed in the handbook as definately compatible. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 15:29:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from datanerds.net (pi.datanerds.net [63.75.38.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1870B37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 46714 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2000 23:29:05 -0000 Received: from ro01-204-210-180-54.ce.mediaone.net (HELO syn) (204.210.180.54) by pi.datanerds.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2000 23:29:05 -0000 Message-ID: <005f01c05280$8454dee0$0201a8c0@datasurge.net> From: "Michael Davis" To: "H. Wade Minter" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Bizarre email problem Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:29:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I am having the exact same problem on a webserver I have. I am using: FreeBSD xxxxx 4.1-STABLE FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 1 16:18:24 CDT 2000 mad@xxx:/usr/src/sys/compile/WWW i386 I am totally stumped as well. I even tried a completely different sendmail configuration. Michael Davis Chief Technical Officer Data Nerds, LLC. http://www.datanerds.net - ----- Original Message ----- From: "H. Wade Minter" To: Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 5:16 PM Subject: Bizarre email problem > I've run into a situation that's got me completely stumped. I'm > running FreeBSD-4.2 Beta (cvsup'd and rebuilt last night) in a > virtual hosting environment. I have to machines, ashburn and > bunning. ashburn is the web host, bunning is the mail host. > > Most of our hosts use the ip address of ashburn, but a few have > their own IPs, aliased onto ashburn. Yesterday, I had to change > those IPs to new ones, also aliased onto ashburn. When I did that, > however, strange mail stuff started happening. > > Clients on ashburn have various CGI scripts to send email. After > the change, mail that originates on ashburn for the domains that > got the new IP addresses is trying to be delievered directly to > ashburn, even though nslookup shows that ashburn knows that the > preferred MX host is > bunning. There's nothing for these hosts in sendmail.cw or the > virtusertable, either. If I try to send mail directly to > "user@affected_domain.com" from ashburn, it bounces immediately > with "Unknown user". Mail sent from outside ashburn gets to the > correct place. > > The problem looks like the local sendmail on ashburn believes that > these domains are listed in the sendmail.cw file, which they're > not. > > If anyone has any idea what could be going on, I'd love to hear it. > I'm completely stumped. > > --Wade > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOhhiQfiUqZ9dnoKsEQKAOgCg40ZsYRr24RoGT+yHcq+jCdpUsnoAoPJI JrVEgzWVE4JfXdps0G371ffJ =Ewsg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 15:31:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B6237B4C5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:31:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAJNSFB59047; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:58:15 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:58:15 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Jason Spencer Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001120095815.H58333@echunga.lemis.com> References: <3A18304B.689C2CFE@glue.umd.edu> <200011191657.eAJGvnZ63007@cwsys.cwsent.com> <3A180EA0.31926227@glue.umd.edu> <20001119094725.B66448@dragon.nuxi.com> <200011192214.eAJMEPG03693@billy-club.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jspencer@epsb.net on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 03:40:09PM -0700 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 15:40:09 -0700, Jason Spencer wrote: > At 3:14 PM -0700 11/19/2000, Warner Losh wrote: >>> We've been successfully using DD mode for years now, if slices are >>> "demanded" what kind of voodoo have we been using? >> >> The problem is the bogus MBR that the DD writes confuses some >> BIOSes and causes your disks to be non-bootable. Right, but you find that out pretty quickly. In my experience, most BIOSes have not been confused. Laptops seem to be the worst. This is really a problem that can be fixed. The argument currently is that it's almost impossible to calculate the correct data, but that's not true: if you can create a partition table, you can calculate it. A real bandaid approach would be to create a correct partition table and then mangle it to make the whole disk dedicated. >>> Is there some way or ways in which the 4-slot table is superior to DD-mode? >> >> The 4 slot table already is there in DD mode. It just happens to >> contain completely bogus data. But it doesn't take up additional space. A real Microsoft layout sacrifices the first "track" and up to a megabyte or so at the end of the disk. >>> You mentioned not having enough space for boot0. Why can't we just >>> change DD-mode to have space for boot0? >> >> Sure, you can do that by putting a proper MBR on the disk :-). The >> whole problem comes in with the bogus MBR that DD puts on the disk. > > So maybe we need to change the docs. When I chose DD mode I thought > "Okay, I'm not going to be using MS *anything* so DD mode will just > reduce some overhead perhaps and make things work like the more sane > platforms." I had no idea that actually I was faking out the BIOS > with bogus data. > > I thought "dangerous" was used in the cute sense of the word ;) It's only dangerous in the sense that it might not work. Once it works, it will continue to work at least until you change the hardware to which the disk is connected. > On a related note, is this anything to worry about? > > $ pstat -s > Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Type > /dev/ad0s1b 563072 0 563072 0% Interleaved > /dev/rad2s1b 267248 0 267248 0% Interleaved > > One of my swap partitions shows up as a raw device and the other doesn't. I assume you're running -STABLE, in which case that's a benign configuration error: they're both raw devices. Take a look at your fstab and fix the "raw" device entry (rad2s1b -> ad2s1b). Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 15:35:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c1870039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF87937B4C5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:35:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA17191; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:35:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3A1863B4.83304F7C@eboa.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:35:16 +0100 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RC1 install size References: <67753.974667667@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > Erm, I guess the practice of providing details has fallen out of > fashion or something since I still have NO IDEA what you are referring > to. How is it incomplete? What is missing? I am looking at the > image here, for example, and I see a full set of OS bits, a full > XFree86 distribution, a full set of packages, etc. If you could be > more specific about just how and where it is "incomplete", we might > start getting somewhere. Yeah I know. I sorta checked the FTP sites to see if they were present before I dived in. The thing about details is that there are so many of them. And no way to discern which are important and which trivial. Hence I gave a sample of available details. Enough to show my point, I trusted . Since this is a RC I did it like any end user would. Generated the floppies, booted from them, went through the simple install options and ordered to install *all*. Something I've done before with satisfactory results. Not so this time. Though I got a ports listing during the install I didn't bother with it at the time. Afterwards there was no /usr/ports dir.tree. Instead of the expected 46 or so games in /usr/games there was but the one, a thing called hide. No /usr/X11R6 directory either. But, like I said, no /usr/src/README also. Though I've installed a couple of R4's I usually work with R3. Worse, I do not currently have access to a R4. So I can't know what is normal for a R4 versus a R4. Maybe /usr/X11R6 has moved, I don't know. Hence no details. But you should be able to tell what is amiss when I provide: /usr % ls ports ls: ports: No such file or directory /usr % ls src crypto kerberos5 kerberosIV secure /usr % what meager details I'm able to provide. As to the practice of providing details falling out of fashion, guess so. After all, you didn't provide details of what details you would like to see. As from my point of view, details are irrelevant given the RC status. Given the procedure stated several of the directories stated should not be empty. What more is there to know? The exact specs of my NICs perhaps? The details of the route from my box to the NL mirror? The dir.listing of said mirror? Tell you what, I'll wipe and do the procedure with 4.1.1-RELEASE and see what gives. At least then I'll be able to provide the details of the /usr/port with the current release . I'm not making this up. This is a RC being tested as if it were a regular release. Notifying the discrepancries observed. Is all. I know it's furiating but there it is . Roelof -- Dog's Palace http://cairni.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 15:36:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-178-138.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.178.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3F037B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:36:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAJNg5F10103; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:42:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011192342.eAJNg5F10103@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Greg Lehey Cc: Sam Zamarripa , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:51:00 +1030." <20001120095100.G58333@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:42:05 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 14:33:17 -0800, Sam Zamarripa wrote: > > I have been using DD since I first starting followin stable in the 3.0 days > > with no problems. When and if DD is taken out, do all of us with DD disks be > > required to reformat our drives? This would be a real big > > pain if so. Thanks. > > As far as I know, there has been no decision to remove dedicated mode. The ability to create "dangerously dedicated" layouts will be removed. > I for one would strongly oppose it. Arguments about bootstraps and > BIOS are bogus: on a dedicated machine, you only need a bootstrap on > the boot disk, so any additional disks can always be dedicated. This is incorrect, as has been discussed previously. The mere presence of a disk with a corrupt slice table is enough to cause a number of common components to fail. > But > to answer your question: if you have to change from dedicated to a > Microsoft compatible layout, yes, you'll have to rebuild all your file > systems. This is entirely incorrect, and makes an unwarranted assumption of massive stupidity on the part of the responsible developers. The ability to deal with disks with "dangerously dedicated" layouts is unlikely to be removed at any forseeable point. This is such an obvious point that spreading FUD about it really calls into doubt your true motives here. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 15:41:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c1870039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452DC37B479; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:41:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA17221; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:41:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3A186535.D525AA2A@eboa.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:41:41 +0100 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith Cc: Brandon Fosdick , Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated References: <200011192138.eAJLcwF09621@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > ... > This is how the platform works. Deal with it. The PC (BIOS) platform, that is . Well, I for one can see that it could be considered a next logical step. And that most of the arguments to keep the status quo are 'for old times sake'. Costing of necessity maintenance time. All I pointed out was that instead of besides the dangerously dedicated notification a note stating that it will disappear R.S.N. would seem to be in order. Roelof -- http://BeerIsBitter.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 15:46: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0041237B479; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:46:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAJNiiJ59284; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:14:44 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:14:43 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith Cc: Sam Zamarripa , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001120101442.J58333@echunga.lemis.com> References: <20001120095100.G58333@echunga.lemis.com> <200011192342.eAJNg5F10103@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011192342.eAJNg5F10103@mass.osd.bsdi.com>; from msmith@FreeBSD.ORG on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 03:42:05PM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 15:42:05 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >> On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 14:33:17 -0800, Sam Zamarripa wrote: >>> I have been using DD since I first starting followin stable in the 3.0 days >>> with no problems. When and if DD is taken out, do all of us with DD disks be >>> required to reformat our drives? This would be a real big >>> pain if so. Thanks. >> >> As far as I know, there has been no decision to remove dedicated mode. > > The ability to create "dangerously dedicated" layouts will be > removed. OK, just leave the dedicated disks. Seriously, we haven't discussed this enough. You've put forward arguments, but I don't buy them. >> I for one would strongly oppose it. Arguments about bootstraps and >> BIOS are bogus: on a dedicated machine, you only need a bootstrap on >> the boot disk, so any additional disks can always be dedicated. > > This is incorrect, as has been discussed previously. The mere > presence of a disk with a corrupt slice table is enough to cause a > number of common components to fail. >> But to answer your question: if you have to change from dedicated >> to a Microsoft compatible layout, yes, you'll have to rebuild all >> your file systems. > > This is entirely incorrect, and makes an unwarranted assumption of > massive stupidity on the part of the responsible developers. > > The ability to deal with disks with "dangerously dedicated" layouts > is unlikely to be removed at any forseeable point. That's good to hear. > This is such an obvious point Not at all. Nothing is obvious. For example, I can't see a good reason to remove the ability to create dedicated disks in the first place. What do we plan to do on architectures which don't support Microsoft partition tables? So why should it be obvious that support for such disks shouldn't be removed? Anyway, you're not describing the situation I was referring to. How are you going to change from dedicated to Microsoft compatible without rebuilding file systems? > that spreading FUD about it really calls into doubt your true > motives here. If there's any FUD here, it's coming from the suggestion that functional and useful features should be removed. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 15:55:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA5C37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:55:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA11479; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:55:12 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda11477; Sun Nov 19 15:55:06 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAJNt1708069; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:55:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdFs8064; Sun Nov 19 15:54:55 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAJNstD64526; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:54:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011192354.eAJNstD64526@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdo64522; Sun Nov 19 15:54:51 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:49:22 PST." <20001119094922.C66448@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:54:51 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20001119094922.C66448@dragon.nuxi.com>, "David O'Brien" writes: > On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 08:56:59AM -0800, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Gro > up wrote: > > If/when dangerously dedicated goes away, will there be special > > provision for Zip and Jazz disks? > > Why is there a need? The only requirement I have is not to reinitialise my Zip disks, even then I'm willing to do it again so long as I'm not forced to do it again due to some change after that. Under 2.0.5 & 2.1.x they had to be dangerously dedicated, they failed to work with an fdisk and disklabel tables on them. Sometime during 2.2.x it stopped working and I needed to put an fdisk style label and a disklabel style label on them. Under 3.0 the fdisk style partition table stopped working on Zip disks and I reinitialised them dangerously dedicated. I realise changes to some SCSI disk support routines may have precipitated this, e.g. I don't think this was intentional on anyones part. My gripe is having to reinitialise all of my Zip disks again. If this is the absolute last time that this is going to change, I have no problem with it. I just don't want to see something else change to force me to have to go through this a fourth time in the future. > > > Or, will we need to put an fdisk style partition table on Zip and Jazz > > disks, then slice them with disklabel? > > What is wrong with doing this now that fdisk/disklabel has been fixed to > create proper slices? I will wait until I have to do it and avoid reinitialising my Zip disks until absolutely necessary. BTW, I do not boot off them. Of course the zip entry in disktab will need to be changed to reflect the new paradigm. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 16:12:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c1870039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F226237B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:12:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA17354 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:12:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3A186C6E.B5F4F0D3@eboa.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:12:30 +0100 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Vinum versus abit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG For this new system I'm building intended to server a lot of sorta small sites I was planning to use vinum over 2 IBM 80 GB disks for the data. System on a 3.x GB SCSI drive. But then we recently saw this discussion regarding IDE RAID's go by as well that I saw some adds for e.g. abit's KT7-RAID. So now I'm wondering. Given that I care about 1. security without backups and 2. speed what can I expect from such a board (or card). I can imagine it would be a tad more efficient than a software only solution and maybe faster as well. But... Does it come with FreeBSD support so that when a disk goes (hopefully only one at a time :) I can resync the new disk without further ado? For that, for me, is crucial above speed. Those d*d things break down on the most awkward times. Usually when there are all sorts of deadlines going on. So I need an easy to fix system. Any suggestions? Roelof To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 16:18:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from horsey.gshapiro.net (horsey.gshapiro.net [209.220.147.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566A937B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:18:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gshapiro@localhost) by horsey.gshapiro.net (8.11.2.Beta0/8.11.2.Beta0) id eAK0Ihg50670; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:18:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14872.28130.487376.685718@horsey.gshapiro.net> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:18:42 -0800 From: Gregory Neil Shapiro To: "H. Wade Minter" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bizarre email problem In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.82 under 21.2 (beta36) "Notus" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG minter> Clients on ashburn have various CGI scripts to send email. After minter> the change, mail that originates on ashburn for the domains that minter> got the new IP addresses is trying to be delievered directly to minter> ashburn, even though nslookup shows that ashburn knows that the minter> preferred MX host is bunning. There's nothing for these hosts in minter> sendmail.cw or the virtusertable, either. If I try to send mail minter> directly to "user@affected_domain.com" from ashburn, it bounces minter> immediately with "Unknown user". Mail sent from outside ashburn minter> gets to the correct place. By default, sendmail reads the IP address and hostnames of local network interfaces into class 'w'. M4 Variable Name Configuration Description & [Default] ================ ============= ======================= confDONT_PROBE_INTERFACES DontProbeInterfaces [False] If set, sendmail will _not_ insert the names and addresses of any local interfaces into class {w} (list of known "equivalent" addresses). If you set this, you must also include some support for these addresses (e.g., in a mailertable entry) -- otherwise, mail to addresses in this list will bounce with a configuration error. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 16:19:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0507937B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:19:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAK0JhQ20116; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:19:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA16004; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:19:43 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011200019.RAA16004@harmony.village.org> To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Cc: Sam Zamarripa , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:51:00 +1030." <20001120095100.G58333@echunga.lemis.com> References: <20001120095100.G58333@echunga.lemis.com> <200011192231.eAJMVIF09854@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <008901c05278$b71a6f50$0200000a@sam> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:19:43 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20001120095100.G58333@echunga.lemis.com> Greg Lehey writes: As far as I know, there has been no decision to remove dedicated mode. : I for one would strongly oppose it. Arguments about bootstraps and : BIOS are bogus: on a dedicated machine, you only need a bootstrap on : the boot disk, so any additional disks can always be dedicated. But : to answer your question: if you have to change from dedicated to a : Microsoft compatible layout, yes, you'll have to rebuild all your file : systems. No it isn't bogus. You can't boot off a DD disk on some machines because the MBR is too bogus for the BIOS to cope with. The problem with DD is that we put a bogus MBR onto the disk. All that is necessary to fix it would be to put a non-bgous MBR onto the disk. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 16:23:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3426137B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:23:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA17766; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:23:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-99.max1.wa.cyberlynk.net(207.227.118.99) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma017764; Sun Nov 19 18:23:00 2000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20001119175935.00dd56c0@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:22:27 -0600 To: "Sam Zamarripa" From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <008901c05278$b71a6f50$0200000a@sam> References: <200011192231.eAJMVIF09854@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 02:33 PM 11/19/00 -0800, Sam Zamarripa wrote: >I have been using DD since I first starting followin stable in the 3.0 days >with no problems. When and if DD is taken out, do all of us with DD disks be >required to reformat our drives? This would be a real big >pain if so. Thanks. In order to upgrade, yes. I'd suggest planning before the "big pain" date comes and incorporate a change from DD to slices as part of an upgrade. As for those that cannot afford the downtime, consider it inevitable and learn how to do major upgrades with minimal service interruption. Fairly sure I have a few lurking around somewhere. The ability to create a DD drive should be removed from the install. That should prevent new users from perpetuating DD. However, the docs also need to lose the suggestion that DD is OK: http://localweb.mountin.net/FBSD-www/handbook/disks-adding.html Surely there are other places. Rather surprising that they weren't revised after all this time. Further presume that when 5.0 is released, there will no longer be support for DD. As others mentioned it should be depreciated and soon, so this horse can finally be laid to rest. Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 16:26:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6533237B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:26:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAK0MCB59783; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:52:12 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:52:11 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Warner Losh Cc: Sam Zamarripa , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001120105211.O58333@echunga.lemis.com> References: <20001120095100.G58333@echunga.lemis.com> <200011192231.eAJMVIF09854@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <008901c05278$b71a6f50$0200000a@sam> <20001120095100.G58333@echunga.lemis.com> <200011200019.RAA16004@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011200019.RAA16004@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 05:19:43PM -0700 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 17:19:43 -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <20001120095100.G58333@echunga.lemis.com> Greg Lehey writes: > As far as I know, there has been no decision to remove dedicated mode. >> I for one would strongly oppose it. Arguments about bootstraps and >> BIOS are bogus: on a dedicated machine, you only need a bootstrap on >> the boot disk, so any additional disks can always be dedicated. But >> to answer your question: if you have to change from dedicated to a >> Microsoft compatible layout, yes, you'll have to rebuild all your file >> systems. > > No it isn't bogus. You can't boot off a DD disk on some machines > because the MBR is too bogus for the BIOS to cope with. So you put a Microsoft partition table on the boot disk. That doesn't mean you need it on the other disks. > The problem with DD is that we put a bogus MBR onto the disk. All > that is necessary to fix it would be to put a non-bgous MBR onto the > disk. Right, for those cases where it's needed. More specifically, we need to now how non-bogus it needs to be. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 16:26:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awww.jeah.net (awww.jeah.net [216.111.239.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE7C37B4C5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:26:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by awww.jeah.net (8.11.1/8.11.0) id eAK0PNE93017 for stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:25:23 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chris) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:25:23 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Byrnes Message-Id: <200011200025.eAK0PNE93017@awww.jeah.net> To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: libperl error in make buildworld Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG CVSUPd to 4.2 a few minutes ago.. /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c: In function `Perl_pp_readdir': /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3028: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3028: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3042: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3042: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl. *** Error code 1 StopStop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 16:30: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1C337B4C5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:30:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18087; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:59:48 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20001120105211.O58333@echunga.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:59:48 +1030 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Sam Zamarripa , Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 20-Nov-00 Greg Lehey wrote: > > No it isn't bogus. You can't boot off a DD disk on some machines > > because the MBR is too bogus for the BIOS to cope with. > So you put a Microsoft partition table on the boot disk. That doesn't > mean you need it on the other disks. It is NOT a 'MS partition table'. It doesn't infect your computer with evil and FreeBSD MS viruses or anything.. > > The problem with DD is that we put a bogus MBR onto the disk. All > > that is necessary to fix it would be to put a non-bgous MBR onto the > > disk. > Right, for those cases where it's needed. More specifically, we need > to now how non-bogus it needs to be. Why is DD ever _needed_? --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 16:36:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B984B37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:36:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAK0XJS59982; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:03:19 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:03:19 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: "Daniel O'Connor" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Sam Zamarripa , Warner Losh Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001120110319.P58333@echunga.lemis.com> References: <20001120105211.O58333@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from doconnor@gsoft.com.au on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 10:59:48AM +1030 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 20 November 2000 at 10:59:48 +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On 20-Nov-00 Greg Lehey wrote: >>> No it isn't bogus. You can't boot off a DD disk on some machines >>> because the MBR is too bogus for the BIOS to cope with. >> So you put a Microsoft partition table on the boot disk. That doesn't >> mean you need it on the other disks. > > It is NOT a 'MS partition table'. > > It doesn't infect your computer with evil and FreeBSD MS viruses or > anything.. Correct. I didn't say it did. >>> The problem with DD is that we put a bogus MBR onto the disk. All >>> that is necessary to fix it would be to put a non-bgous MBR onto the >>> disk. >> Right, for those cases where it's needed. More specifically, we need >> to now how non-bogus it needs to be. > > Why is DD ever _needed_? Because Microsoft partition tables waste space. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 16:36:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1471237B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:36:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAK0aMQ20198; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:36:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA16154; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:36:21 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011200036.RAA16154@harmony.village.org> To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Cc: Sam Zamarripa , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:52:11 +1030." <20001120105211.O58333@echunga.lemis.com> References: <20001120105211.O58333@echunga.lemis.com> <20001120095100.G58333@echunga.lemis.com> <200011192231.eAJMVIF09854@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <008901c05278$b71a6f50$0200000a@sam> <20001120095100.G58333@echunga.lemis.com> <200011200019.RAA16004@harmony.village.org> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:36:21 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20001120105211.O58333@echunga.lemis.com> Greg Lehey writes: : > No it isn't bogus. You can't boot off a DD disk on some machines : > because the MBR is too bogus for the BIOS to cope with. : : So you put a Microsoft partition table on the boot disk. That doesn't : mean you need it on the other disks. On some systems, this works. On others it doesn't. Some systems throw a rod when they see the bogus partition table, even if it isn't on the primary disk. : > The problem with DD is that we put a bogus MBR onto the disk. All : > that is necessary to fix it would be to put a non-bgous MBR onto the : > disk. : : Right, for those cases where it's needed. More specifically, we need : to now how non-bogus it needs to be. It must describe most/all of the disk. It must allow the BIOS to figure out the geometry so that the boot loader could read the disk (note, I say could because it might not be the primary disk, and a bogus partition could cause the BIOS to lose its brain). I think, and I haven't checked this out yet, that we could make the partition end c/h/s rounded to the end of the cylinder nearest the real end of the disk. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 16:36:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44AD137B4CF for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:36:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18649; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:06:14 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20001120110319.P58333@echunga.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:06:14 +1030 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Cc: Warner Losh , Sam Zamarripa , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 20-Nov-00 Greg Lehey wrote: > > Why is DD ever _needed_? > Because Microsoft partition tables waste space. They aren't 'MS partition tables'. And they don't waste much space. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 16:39:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from medianstrip.net (medianstrip.net [206.113.38.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2825637B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:39:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by medianstrip.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8BE3A59B9; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:39:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:39:41 -0500 From: mike ryan To: Warner Losh Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.2-BETA hangs on boot Message-ID: <20001119193941.A38978@medianstrip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Warner Losh , stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20001117172251.A34915@medianstrip.net> <20001116204344.B62344@bonsai.knology.net> <20001116195957.A62344@bonsai.knology.net> <200011170209.eAH297q51130@drugs.dv.isc.org> <20001116204344.B62344@bonsai.knology.net> <200011172203.PAA77619@harmony.village.org> <20001117172251.A34915@medianstrip.net> <200011172314.QAA78313@harmony.village.org> <20001119042505.A7076@medianstrip.net> <200011192205.eAJM5QG03609@billy-club.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200011192205.eAJM5QG03609@billy-club.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 03:05:26PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 11/19/00, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <20001119042505.A7076@medianstrip.net> mike ryan writes: > > : for what it's worth, here's the behavior i'm seeing: on my vaio > : z505hs with a ricoh rl5c475 pci-cardbus bridge, polling mode works > : fine with the "plug & play o/s" bios option set to "yes". when i > : set that bios option to "no" (so usb works), the machine will > : occasionally (but not always) hang on boot after the pccard0 probe, > : with no cards inserted. i haven't tried booting with cards > : inserted. when the machine boots successfully, it will always hang > : on a card insertion. > > Odd, my always works in polling mode. I have the same bridge, but the > PCG-505TS instead of the x505hs. > > The PnP "no" setting causes more of the devices to have interrupts > assigned and routed. The "yes" setting doesn't. You are running into > interrupt hell that has little to do with the actual card bus bridge > and more to do with FreeBSD's inability to cope properly before > -current of about BSDcon. i'm not entirely sure i understand. "pnp o/s = no" causes the bios to assign an irq to the pcic controller, meaning the pcic controller raises that interrupt on insertions/removals, but the driver, operating in polling mode, never clears the interrupt so the machine wedges trying to service it? if this is correct, how does ddb manage to unwedge things? the fix in -current is the pci interrupt routing code which allows us to set "pnp os = yes" in the bios and let freebsd make irq assignments only for devices it understands? any chance this will MFC-ed? > : when a card insertion does freeze the machine, i can still drop to > : ddb. once in ddb, i can "next" a lot, and eventually ddb will > : disappear, the machine will be unfrozen, the freshly inserted card > : will probe and attach, and everything will continue normally except > : that a random process will have died on SIGTRAP. same thing on card > : removal. dropping to ddb and hitting "continue" doesn't work, only > : "next". this seems odd. > > Where are you dropping into ddb at? That would be useful information. here's the beginning of a sample ddb session (transcribed by hand): Debugger("manual escape to debugger") Stopped at Debugger+0x34: movb $0,in_Debugger.396 db> t Debugger(c02ca249) at Debugger+0x34 scgetc(c033d600,2,c071a840,c03369a0,ffffffff) at scgetc+0x38e sckbdevent(c03369a0,0,c033d600,c071a840,c0bb0000) at sckbdevent+0x1b9 atkbd_intr(c03369a0,0,c02d75b4,c027fc5f,c03369a0) at atkdb_intr+0x22 atkdb_isa_intr(c03369a0,684200,c02d0010,c0130010,10) at atkbd_isa_intr+0x18 Xresume1() at Xresume1+0x2b --- interrupt, eip = 0xc0236e3b, esp = 0xc02d75a0, ebp = 0xc02d75b4 --- uhci_intr(c0bb0000,684200,0,0,0) at uhci_intr+0x47 intr_max(c071a840,0,c01f0010,400010,400010) at intr_mux+0x1d Xresume9() at Xresume9+0x2b --- interrupt, eip = 0xc0289276, esp = 0xc02d7614, ebp = 0 --- default_halt() at default_halt+0x2 db> n After 2 instructions (0 loads, 0 stores) Stopped at Debugger+0x3c: ret db> n After 81 instructions (0 loads, 0 stores) Stopped at scgetc+0x4af: ret db> n After 13 instructions (0 loads, 0 stores) Stopped at sckbdevent+0x1da: ret db> n After 7 instructions (0 loads, 0 stores) Stopped at atkbd_intr+0x89: ret db> n After 2 instructions (0 loads, 0 stores) Stopped at atkdb_isa_intr+0x19: ret db> n After 24 instructions (0 loads, 0 stores) Stopped at doreti_iret: iret db> t doreti_iret(8,202,c071a840,400200,ffffffff) at doreti_iret uhci_intr(c0bb0000,684200,0,0,0) at uhci_intr+0x47 intr_mux(c071a840,0,c01f0010,400010,400010) at intr_mux+0x1d Xresume9() at Xresume9+0x2b --- interrypt, eip = 0xc0289276, esp = 0xc02d7614, ebp = 0 --- default_halt() at default_halt+0x2 db> n After 11 instructions (0 loads, 0 stores) Stopped at uhci_intr+0x11f: ret db> n After 112596 instructions (0 loads, 0 stores) Stopped at intr_mux+0x33: ret db> n After 1906 instructions (0 loads, 0 stores) Stopped at doreti_iret: iret db> t doreti_iret(8,246,c0289271,f,681) at doreti_iret default_halt() at default_halt+0x2 db> n After 1 instructions (0 loads, 0 stores) Stopped at intr_mux+0x2: ret db> n After 92 instructions (0 loads, 0 stores) Stopped at cpu_switch_load_gs+0x35: ret db> t cpu_switch_load_gs(c85cac60,c85cac60,0,0,19) at cpu_switch_load_gs+0x35 mi_switch(0,c02338e0,c0157a91,c3489390,6e4200) at mi_switch+0x174 tsleep(c02ef7f8,4,c02bcf00,1f4) at tsleep+0x19d vm_pageout(0) at vm_pageout+0x1e0 fork_trampoline() at fork_tramploine+0x8 db> relevant excerpts from "nm /kernel": c0236df4 T uhci_intr ... c027fc34 t Xresume1 ... c0289274 T default_halt c0289278 T cpu_switch ... c02d3800 r config c02d7620 D .tmpstk ... c03369a0 b default_kbd ... c033d600 b main_softc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 16:43: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD3E37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:42:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAK0bZU60092; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:07:35 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:07:35 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: "Daniel O'Connor" Cc: Warner Losh , Sam Zamarripa , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001120110735.R58333@echunga.lemis.com> References: <20001120110319.P58333@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from doconnor@gsoft.com.au on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 11:06:14AM +1030 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 20 November 2000 at 11:06:14 +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On 20-Nov-00 Greg Lehey wrote: >>> Why is DD ever _needed_? >> Because Microsoft partition tables waste space. > > They aren't 'MS partition tables'. > > And they don't waste much space. They waste space. In most cases, they're not needed. Isn't that enough? Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 16:43:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C1C37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:43:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAK0hTQ20266; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:43:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA16333; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:43:29 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011200043.RAA16333@harmony.village.org> To: mike ryan Subject: Re: 4.2-BETA hangs on boot Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:39:41 EST." <20001119193941.A38978@medianstrip.net> References: <20001119193941.A38978@medianstrip.net> <20001117172251.A34915@medianstrip.net> <20001116204344.B62344@bonsai.knology.net> <20001116195957.A62344@bonsai.knology.net> <200011170209.eAH297q51130@drugs.dv.isc.org> <20001116204344.B62344@bonsai.knology.net> <200011172203.PAA77619@harmony.village.org> <20001117172251.A34915@medianstrip.net> <200011172314.QAA78313@harmony.village.org> <20001119042505.A7076@medianstrip.net> <200011192205.eAJM5QG03609@billy-club.village.org> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:43:28 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20001119193941.A38978@medianstrip.net> mike ryan writes: : i'm not entirely sure i understand. "pnp o/s = no" causes the bios : to assign an irq to the pcic controller, meaning the pcic controller : raises that interrupt on insertions/removals, but the driver, : operating in polling mode, never clears the interrupt so the machine : wedges trying to service it? if this is correct, how does ddb : manage to unwedge things? I'm not sure. I suspect that it is assigning other interrupts differently. I'm not entirely sure. : the fix in -current is the pci interrupt routing code which allows : us to set "pnp os = yes" in the bios and let freebsd make irq : assignments only for devices it understands? FreeBSD -current doesn't support this just yet. : any chance this will MFC-ed? To be honest, the odds are low. It won't be soon because the code isn't ready for prime time just yet. We've still hit problem cases from time to time. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 16:44:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A341F37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:44:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19072; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:14:26 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20001120110735.R58333@echunga.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:14:26 +1030 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Sam Zamarripa , Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 20-Nov-00 Greg Lehey wrote: > On Monday, 20 November 2000 at 11:06:14 +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > They aren't 'MS partition tables'. > > And they don't waste much space. > They waste space. In most cases, they're not needed. Isn't that > enough? No, they are confusing and can cause problems if later you decide that you want make the disk bootable. They _are_ necessary with certain BIOSen. At least remove the option from sysinstall so new users don't get stuck with it. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 16:44:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from KIWI-Computer.com (kiwi-computer.com [63.224.10.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07DCE37B4C5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:44:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by KIWI-Computer.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30068; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:41:37 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: FreeBSD Message-Id: <200011200041.SAA30068@KIWI-Computer.com> Subject: Re: Dedicated disks, et al. In-Reply-To: <20001120095815.H58333@echunga.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Nov 20, 2000 09:58:15 am" To: Greg Lehey Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:41:37 -0600 (CST) Cc: Jason Spencer , stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >> The problem is the bogus MBR that the DD writes confuses some > >> BIOSes and causes your disks to be non-bootable. So why don't we fix the bogus MBR so that we can still do DD? I'll offer to help. > This is really a problem that can be fixed. The argument currently is > that it's almost impossible to calculate the correct data, but that's > not true: if you can create a partition table, you can calculate it. Speaking of which, I should present an example. DD is "bad" for more reasons than just BIOS recognition. In response to the broken boot0 which got onto the 4.1-R CD, I downloaded the 1024-byte boot0 and overwrote the 512-byte which was shipped. At one time I accidentally wrote over a DD with boot0, thus losing the disklabel (only). The only thing I could do to fix the problem was to write a program which scanned the disk looking for valid superblocks, extract the valid partition offsets/lengths as well as CHS info, etc. and then create a new label which I wrote back on top of boot0. What I thought "dangerous" meant was that if you try to do what I did, you'll wipe your label. It would seem that a fix to make DD work for BIOSes would also allow the label to fit after boot0. So fix the bogus MBR... I also don't see the problem with the MBR, as even a DD has the 4 "slices" listed correctly, just that the entire drive is allocated as a single slice. > A real bandaid approach would be to create a correct partition table > and then mangle it to make the whole disk dedicated. Isn't this what is being done? The only difference I can see is that in non-DD mode the first few "partition map" sectors and the last sectors on the disk are unallocated, whereas in DD every sector is allocated. The problem I have with eliminating DD mode is that those last sectors never get used. My understanding is that they aren't used because the "DOS" partition map uses CHS numbers to point to the partitions instead of LBA. Those CHS numbers are hacked around until they better "fit" the drive (i.e. losing quite a few sectors at the end of the drive), thus allowing complete access to most of the sectors, rather than cutting off at ~8.4 GB. > >> The 4 slot table already is there in DD mode. It just happens to > >> contain completely bogus data. > > But it doesn't take up additional space. A real Microsoft layout > sacrifices the first "track" and up to a megabyte or so at the end of > the disk. I thought m$ fdisk only allocated cylinders so that you lose up to a cylinder at the end of the disk. Note that if you have a dedicated drive of FAT32, it uses all the sectors on the drive, not sacrificing the last <1 cylinder... IIRC. > It's only dangerous in the sense that it might not work. Once it > works, it will continue to work at least until you change the hardware > to which the disk is connected. I'd like to know which hardware (i.e. the BIOS) a DD won't work for. I've used pretty varied systems and they all seem to work with mixed DD and non-DD drives... > > One of my swap partitions shows up as a raw device and the other doesn't. > > I assume you're running -STABLE, in which case that's a benign > configuration error: they're both raw devices. Take a look at your > fstab and fix the "raw" device entry (rad2s1b -> ad2s1b). IS the "raw" entry the bad one? If so, then someone should change the /etc/rc code which enables swapping to a swapfile: #ptat -s Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Type /dev/da0s1b 7904 24 7880 0% Interleaved /dev/rvn0b 32640 0 32640 0% Interleaved Total 40544 24 40520 0% ... it should be "vn0b" instead of "rvn0b"??? --Rick C. Petty, aka Snoopy rick@kiwi-computer.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 16:48:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA4437B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:48:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAK0mEQ20314; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:48:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA16419; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:48:14 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011200048.RAA16419@harmony.village.org> To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:07:35 +1030." <20001120110735.R58333@echunga.lemis.com> References: <20001120110735.R58333@echunga.lemis.com> <20001120110319.P58333@echunga.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:48:14 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20001120110735.R58333@echunga.lemis.com> Greg Lehey writes: : They waste space. In most cases, they're not needed. Isn't that : enough? No. Writing in 'C' isn't necesary and wastes space. That, in and of itself, isn't a reason to not use it. But like mike said, it was the ability to create these for the boot disk that is going away from sysinstall. It causes too many problems on too many machines. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 16:51: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7BBD37B4C5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:50:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAK0onQ20342; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:50:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA16476; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:50:48 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011200050.RAA16476@harmony.village.org> To: "Daniel O'Connor" Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Cc: Greg Lehey , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Sam Zamarripa In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:14:26 +1030." References: Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:50:48 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message "Daniel O'Connor" writes: : At least remove the option from sysinstall so new users don't get : stuck with it. I strongly support this. It has burned me on several machines. I don't think that anyone will remove it from the kernel... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 16:51: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cgi.sstar.com (cgi.sstar.com [209.205.176.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F7F37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:50:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluto.jimking.net (root@bluto.jimking.net [216.54.255.8]) by cgi.sstar.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAK0ohs77575 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:50:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jim@jimking.net) Received: from marble (marble.lgc.com [134.132.228.4]) by bluto.jimking.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eAK0oew09315; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:50:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jim@jimking.net) Message-ID: <002901c0528b$e934d760$04e48486@marble> From: "Jim King" To: "Greg Lehey" Cc: References: <20001120105211.O58333@echunga.lemis.com> <20001120110319.P58333@echunga.lemis.com> Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:50:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > > Why is DD ever _needed_? > > Because Microsoft partition tables waste space. That's a really weak argument, given the price and size of drives nowadays. Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 16:55:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A71A37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:55:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAK0r1v60326; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:23:01 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:23:01 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Jim King Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001120112301.T58333@echunga.lemis.com> References: <20001120105211.O58333@echunga.lemis.com> <20001120110319.P58333@echunga.lemis.com> <002901c0528b$e934d760$04e48486@marble> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <002901c0528b$e934d760$04e48486@marble>; from jim@jimking.net on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 06:50:40PM -0600 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 18:50:40 -0600, Jim King wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: > >>> Why is DD ever _needed_? >> >> Because Microsoft partition tables waste space. > > That's a really weak argument, given the price and size of drives > nowadays. It's a matter of principle. Why waste? Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 16:56:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from camelot.bitart.com (BITart-45.BITart.com [206.103.221.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 290F637B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:56:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11727 invoked by uid 101); 20 Nov 2000 00:56:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20001120005607.11726.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.2mach v148) In-Reply-To: <200011192205.eAJM5QG03609@billy-club.village.org> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.2mach (Enhance 2.2p1) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.148) From: Gerd Knops Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:56:05 -0600 To: Warner Losh Subject: Re: 4.2-BETA hangs on boot [not only laptop!] Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: gerti-freebsds@BITart.com References: <20001119042505.A7076@medianstrip.net> <20001117172251.A34915@medianstrip.net> <20001116204344.B62344@bonsai.knology.net> <20001116195957.A62344@bonsai.knology.net> <200011170209.eAH297q51130@drugs.dv.isc.org> <20001116204344.B62344@bonsai.knology.net> <200011172203.PAA77619@harmony.village.org> <20001117172251.A34915@medianstrip.net> <200011172314.QAA78313@harmony.village.org> <200011192205.eAJM5QG03609@billy-club.village.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just as a (possibly related) side note: The 4.2 Beta CD does not boot on a system that has a MultiTech MT5634ZPX PCI (aka ActionTec 56k FAX PCI Modem) modem card (yes, that one has a controller and is supported by FreeBSD). Interestingly, once the system is installed, the card can be replaced and the system will boot using the generic kernel... Gerd Warner Losh wrote: > In message <20001119042505.A7076@medianstrip.net> mike ryan writes: > : in that case, is there anything those of us with affected hardware > : can do to help diagnose this? > > Maybe. > > : for what it's worth, here's the behavior i'm seeing: on my vaio > : z505hs with a ricoh rl5c475 pci-cardbus bridge, polling mode works > : fine with the "plug & play o/s" bios option set to "yes". when i > : set that bios option to "no" (so usb works), the machine will > : occasionally (but not always) hang on boot after the pccard0 probe, > : with no cards inserted. i haven't tried booting with cards > : inserted. when the machine boots successfully, it will always hang > : on a card insertion. > > Odd, my always works in polling mode. I have the same bridge, but the > PCG-505TS instead of the x505hs. > > The PnP "no" setting causes more of the devices to have interrupts > assigned and routed. The "yes" setting doesn't. You are running into > interrupt hell that has little to do with the actual card bus bridge > and more to do with FreeBSD's inability to cope properly before > -current of about BSDcon. > > : when a card insertion does freeze the machine, i can still drop to > : ddb. once in ddb, i can "next" a lot, and eventually ddb will > : disappear, the machine will be unfrozen, the freshly inserted card > : will probe and attach, and everything will continue normally except > : that a random process will have died on SIGTRAP. same thing on card > : removal. dropping to ddb and hitting "continue" doesn't work, only > : "next". this seems odd. > > Where are you dropping into ddb at? That would be useful information. > > : at this point, i've got no idea how to proceed. i'm willing to > : perform experiments on request, though, if that would help... > > I'm not sure how much it would help. > > Warner > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 16:58:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c1870039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9156737B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA17570; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:58:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3A187743.156B0A93@eboa.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:58:43 +0100 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RC1 install size References: <67753.974667667@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > Erm, I guess the practice of providing details has fallen out of > fashion or something since I still have NO IDEA what you are referring > ... Well, one step further. Using the 4.1.1.-RELEASE or something I did/noticed the following: 8 <> 7 (on 4.2) conflicts after kern/mksroot Standard inst... Choose Dists. : ALL! FTP Passive, Holland ... Dists: All -> Never mind Meaning it looped. Probably meaning that the selection of distributions All isn't what it used and promises to be. So I gave that up and ordered a Custom distribution. After which I did have lots of games, BTW. But no /usr/src. Guess I must've made a wrong click somewhere. So this sheds a new light on the situation. Could it be that the All distributions is misleading? Ah, before I forget. This time round I selected bash 2 from the ports collection resulting at least in a fleshed out /usr/ports dir. Hm. Where to wreck havock now? Guess I'll try the 4.2RC1 again with a specific distribution to install. Who knows... Roelof PS details? Well... all is *not* all anymore -- Wife's pasttime @ http://wentwading.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 17: 1:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F05B37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:01:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAK0wZ460410; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:28:35 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:28:35 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Warner Losh Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001120112835.V58333@echunga.lemis.com> References: <20001120110735.R58333@echunga.lemis.com> <20001120110319.P58333@echunga.lemis.com> <20001120110735.R58333@echunga.lemis.com> <200011200048.RAA16419@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011200048.RAA16419@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 05:48:14PM -0700 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 17:48:14 -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <20001120110735.R58333@echunga.lemis.com> Greg Lehey writes: >> They waste space. In most cases, they're not needed. Isn't that >> enough? > > No. Writing in 'C' isn't necesary and wastes space. That, in and of > itself, isn't a reason to not use it. No. Unlike the Microsoft partition tables in dedicated machines, it has advantages that make up for it. But take away my ability to write in assembler and I'll complain too. > But like mike said, it was the ability to create these for the boot > disk that is going away from sysinstall. Not for other disks? Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 17: 1:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD93637B65E for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAK0vJX60381; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:27:19 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:27:19 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Warner Losh Cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Sam Zamarripa Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001120112719.U58333@echunga.lemis.com> References: <200011200050.RAA16476@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011200050.RAA16476@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 05:50:48PM -0700 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 17:50:48 -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > In message "Daniel O'Connor" writes: >> At least remove the option from sysinstall so new users don't get >> stuck with it. > > I strongly support this. It has burned me on several machines. > > I don't think that anyone will remove it from the kernel... OK, the more this thread continues, the more it's looking as if we're talking about different things. I don't have (much) of an objection to removing it from sysinstall. If that's all we're talking about, I don't have any further objections. But I still want to have the facility in the system. I wonder how long the current Microsoft partition table has to live, anyway? Sooner or later people are going to have to move to LBA addressing, or disks will get so big that the partition table can't address them. Then, hopefully, we'll be able to use a more sane layout. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 17: 4:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1530E37B4C5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:04:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19652; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:34:24 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20001120112719.U58333@echunga.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:34:24 +1030 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Cc: Sam Zamarripa , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 20-Nov-00 Greg Lehey wrote: > OK, the more this thread continues, the more it's looking as if we're > talking about different things. I don't have (much) of an objection > to removing it from sysinstall. If that's all we're talking about, I > don't have any further objections. But I still want to have the > facility in the system. I would prefer it died, but I'm not doing the work ;) > I wonder how long the current Microsoft partition table has to live, > anyway? Sooner or later people are going to have to move to LBA > addressing, or disks will get so big that the partition table can't > address them. Then, hopefully, we'll be able to use a more sane > layout. Hah! You have too much faith in PC designers. It will be another hack of course. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 17:11:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from aslan.scsiguy.com (aslan.scsiguy.com [63.229.232.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230ED37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:11:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from aslan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aslan.scsiguy.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAK1Bm440478; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:11:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gibbs@aslan.scsiguy.com) Message-Id: <200011200111.eAK1Bm440478@aslan.scsiguy.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: tweten@nas.nasa.gov Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.2 Beta Broke ahc Support for AHA2842 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 12 Nov 2000 20:43:49 PST." <200011130443.eAD4hoG00697@gilmore.nas.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:11:48 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >My old kernel, vintage 4.1.1, works fine with my three old Adaptec SCSI host >bus adapters, two AHA1742A's and an AHA2842VL (yes, it's an old motherboard). This was actually fixed a while back (week ago?) for EISA adapters. If you card still doesn't work, please let me know. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 17:26:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6FE37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:26:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAK1QRQ20624; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:26:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA16726; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:26:26 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011200126.SAA16726@harmony.village.org> To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Sam Zamarripa In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:27:19 +1030." <20001120112719.U58333@echunga.lemis.com> References: <20001120112719.U58333@echunga.lemis.com> <200011200050.RAA16476@harmony.village.org> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:26:26 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20001120112719.U58333@echunga.lemis.com> Greg Lehey writes: : I wonder how long the current Microsoft partition table has to live, : anyway? Sooner or later people are going to have to move to LBA : addressing, or disks will get so big that the partition table can't : address them. Then, hopefully, we'll be able to use a more sane : layout. Forever. We've already passed the 8G barrier and there's a bunch of kludges to cope... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 17:31: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CE437B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:31:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAK1V3Q20646; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA16773; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:31:02 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011200131.SAA16773@harmony.village.org> To: gerti-freebsds@bitart.com Subject: Re: 4.2-BETA hangs on boot [not only laptop!] Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:56:05 CST." <20001120005607.11726.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> References: <20001120005607.11726.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> <20001119042505.A7076@medianstrip.net> <20001117172251.A34915@medianstrip.net> <20001116204344.B62344@bonsai.knology.net> <20001116195957.A62344@bonsai.knology.net> <200011170209.eAH297q51130@drugs.dv.isc.org> <20001116204344.B62344@bonsai.knology.net> <200011172203.PAA77619@harmony.village.org> <20001117172251.A34915@medianstrip.net> <200011172314.QAA78313@harmony.village.org> <200011192205.eAJM5QG03609@billy-club.village.org> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:31:02 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20001120005607.11726.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> Gerd Knops writes: : The 4.2 Beta CD does not boot on a system that has a MultiTech : MT5634ZPX PCI (aka ActionTec 56k FAX PCI Modem) modem card (yes, that : one has a controller and is supported by FreeBSD). Interestingly, once : the system is installed, the card can be replaced and the system will : boot using the generic kernel... Strange. I just booted off of cdrom with the 4.2 beta cd on my system that has an actiontec 56k modem and it didn't hang. :-(. I'll try it on a couple of boxes at work if the other modems I have don't work. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 17:44:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from morpheus.skynet.be (morpheus.skynet.be [195.238.2.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8797837B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:44:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (dialup1024.brussels2.skynet.be [194.78.238.192]) by morpheus.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C751DB2B; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 02:44:41 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001119151418.K52433@echunga.lemis.com> References: <20001119151418.K52433@echunga.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 02:44:39 +0100 To: Greg Lehey From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: rawio 1.1 on FreeBSD 4.2-BETA? Cc: FreeBSD Stable Users Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 3:14 PM +1030 2000/11/19, Greg Lehey wrote: > There is a PR. I'm not sure under what circumstances it fails. This > is, in fact, a bug in the port, not in rawio: it's in files/patch-ac. > It should work fine if you delete this patch and then make clean and > rebuild. Ahh, okay. I'll give that a shot. Thanks! Just curious -- IIRC, rawio is specific to FreeBSD, so why does there need to be a FreeBSD port for it? -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 18: 7:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3D137B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:07:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA18432; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:06:37 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-107.max1.wa.cyberlynk.net(207.227.118.107) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma018429; Sun Nov 19 20:06:22 2000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20001119194541.02267d00@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:05:49 -0600 To: Greg Lehey , Jim King From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20001120112301.T58333@echunga.lemis.com> References: <002901c0528b$e934d760$04e48486@marble> <20001120105211.O58333@echunga.lemis.com> <20001120110319.P58333@echunga.lemis.com> <002901c0528b$e934d760$04e48486@marble> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 11:23 AM 11/20/00 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 18:50:40 -0600, Jim King wrote: > > Greg Lehey wrote: > > > >>> Why is DD ever _needed_? > >> > >> Because Microsoft partition tables waste space. > > > > That's a really weak argument, given the price and size of drives > > nowadays. > >It's a matter of principle. Why waste? Losing 32KB on a 30GB disk is pretty damn insignificant. Even if it were a 512MB disk a .00625% loss is not much. Why waste time quibbling. IMO, sysinstall shouldn't allow any disks to be done dedicated. Those adamant about using DD can do so manually to prevent less experienced users from shooting themselves in the foot. Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 18:19:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from medianstrip.net (medianstrip.net [206.113.38.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B897737B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:19:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by medianstrip.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CB61F59B9; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:19:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:19:14 -0500 From: mike ryan To: Warner Losh Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.2-BETA hangs on boot Message-ID: <20001119211914.A42618@medianstrip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Warner Losh , stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20001116195957.A62344@bonsai.knology.net> <200011170209.eAH297q51130@drugs.dv.isc.org> <20001116204344.B62344@bonsai.knology.net> <200011172203.PAA77619@harmony.village.org> <20001117172251.A34915@medianstrip.net> <200011172314.QAA78313@harmony.village.org> <20001119042505.A7076@medianstrip.net> <200011192205.eAJM5QG03609@billy-club.village.org> <20001119193941.A38978@medianstrip.net> <200011200043.RAA16333@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200011200043.RAA16333@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 05:43:28PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 11/19/00, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <20001119193941.A38978@medianstrip.net> mike ryan writes: > : i'm not entirely sure i understand. "pnp o/s = no" causes the bios > : to assign an irq to the pcic controller, meaning the pcic controller > : raises that interrupt on insertions/removals, but the driver, > : operating in polling mode, never clears the interrupt so the machine > : wedges trying to service it? if this is correct, how does ddb > : manage to unwedge things? > > I'm not sure. I suspect that it is assigning other interrupts > differently. I'm not entirely sure. now i definitely don't understand. is this a response to the first question? how could interrupt assignments to other devices cause wedges on card insertion events? > : the fix in -current is the pci interrupt routing code which allows > : us to set "pnp os = yes" in the bios and let freebsd make irq > : assignments only for devices it understands? > > FreeBSD -current doesn't support this just yet. okay... so what is the circa-bsdcon interrupt-related fix in -current to which you referred then? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 18:21: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from servo.ccr.org (servo.ccr.org [198.3.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C03637B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:21:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from servo.ccr.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by servo.ccr.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA77891; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:20:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mo@servo.ccr.org) Message-Id: <200011200220.VAA77891@servo.ccr.org> To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Cc: Greg Lehey , Jim King , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, mo@servo.ccr.org Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:05:49 CST." <4.3.2.20001119194541.02267d00@207.227.119.2> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:20:43 -0500 From: "Mike O'Dell" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG having partition tables on disks is just as much part of the "PC architecture" as having to deal with the unpleasant ealities of BIOS. use the hardware, play the game. deal with it. -mo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 18:22: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from got.wedgie.org (got.wedgie.org [216.181.169.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1350737B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:22:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by got.wedgie.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1D789D905; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:21:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:21:58 -0500 From: Jason Garman To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: Marko Cuk , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE delayed until November 20th. Message-ID: <20001119212157.A93256@got.wedgie.org> Reply-To: jgarman@wedgie.org References: <49687.974363227@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <49687.974363227@winston.osd.bsdi.com>; from Jordan Hubbard on Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 12:27:07AM -0800 X-Phase-Of-Moon: The Moon is Waning Crescent (35% of Full) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 12:27:07AM -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > What is with the bridging code ?? It won't work from 4.0 !! I wrote > > about that problem many times. > > Yes, you've written about it many times but I have yet to see anything > substantial enough in the way of details to imply that anyone will be > fixing it for 4.2 unless someone else comes forward with the right > kinds of debugging information. Perhaps if someone else using the > bridging code could check this out? I don't know of [m]any people > here doing so. > Could someone elaborate on the details here? I assume we're talking about luigi's ethernet bridging code? What exactly is the problem in 4.2? I use this extensively in 4.0-stable and am thinking of upgrading to 4.2. (I use bridging+ipfw so I can firewall on my DSL connection without "wasting" IP addresses with a subnet) enjoy -- Jason Garman http://web.wedgie.org/ Student, University of Maryland jgarman@wedgie.org From fortune(1): Whois: JAG145 "... Had this been an actual emergency, we would have fled in terror, and you would not have been informed." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 18:30:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nettally.com (gossimer.nettally.com [199.44.114.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1F837B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:30:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyler [199.44.16.226] by nettally.com (SMTPD32-6.05) id ACE11040116; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:30:57 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01c05299$d9f59c40$0200a8c0@cysko.dyndns.org> From: "danny patterson" To: Subject: yet another sendmail problem. Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:30:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alrighty, I connect to the internet through my ISP and run a bunch of internet services including sendmail. Now my problem is that when i send mail to some servers, they run that anti-spam software so it doesn't accept my mail. to bypass this, I changed my sendmail setup to forward the mail sending to my ISP.. but now whenever i send a message i get: Final-Recipient: RFC822; recipient@domain.com Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.myisp.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Relay request denied, and recipient@domain.com is not a local domain name. What's up with that? The error is being delivered locally and never leaves my box. Thanks a bunch. Eagerly awaiting the 20th for 4.2-RELEASE, Danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 18:32:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bunning.skiltech.com (bunning.skiltech.com [216.235.79.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 841BA37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:32:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ashburn.skiltech.com (ashburn.skiltech.com [216.235.79.239]) by bunning.skiltech.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAK2WwR30923; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:32:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from minter@ashburn.skiltech.com) Received: (from minter@localhost) by ashburn.skiltech.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAK2Wlt42777; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:32:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from minter) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:32:47 -0500 (EST) From: "H. Wade Minter" X-Sender: minter@ashburn.skiltech.com To: Michael Davis Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bizarre email problem In-Reply-To: <005f01c05280$8454dee0$0201a8c0@datasurge.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks to Per Hedeland in comp.mail.sendmail, I've tracked down and fixed the problem. The key was this part of sendmail.cf: confDONT_PROBE_INTERFACES DontProbeInterfaces [False] If set, sendmail will _not_ insert the names and addresses of any local interfaces into class {w} (list of known "equivalent" addresses). If you set this, you must also include some support for these addresses (e.g., in a mailertable entry) -- otherwise, mail to addresses in this list will bounce with a configuration error. So, by default, sendmail adds hosts on any local IP addresses to class W, making all mail to hosts on those addresses get delivered locally. Disabling this in sendmail.cf solved all my problems. Hope this helps anyone who has run across this, or will in the future! --Wade On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, Michael Davis wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I am having the exact same problem on a webserver I have. I am using: > FreeBSD xxxxx 4.1-STABLE FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 1 16:18:24 > CDT 2000 mad@xxx:/usr/src/sys/compile/WWW i386 > > I am totally stumped as well. I even tried a completely different > sendmail configuration. > > Michael Davis > Chief Technical Officer > Data Nerds, LLC. > http://www.datanerds.net > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "H. Wade Minter" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 5:16 PM > Subject: Bizarre email problem > > > > I've run into a situation that's got me completely stumped. I'm > > running FreeBSD-4.2 Beta (cvsup'd and rebuilt last night) in a > > virtual hosting environment. I have to machines, ashburn and > > bunning. ashburn is the web host, bunning is the mail host. > > > > Most of our hosts use the ip address of ashburn, but a few have > > their own IPs, aliased onto ashburn. Yesterday, I had to change > > those IPs to new ones, also aliased onto ashburn. When I did that, > > however, strange mail stuff started happening. > > > > Clients on ashburn have various CGI scripts to send email. After > > the change, mail that originates on ashburn for the domains that > > got the new IP addresses is trying to be delievered directly to > > ashburn, even though nslookup shows that ashburn knows that the > > preferred MX host is > > bunning. There's nothing for these hosts in sendmail.cw or the > > virtusertable, either. If I try to send mail directly to > > "user@affected_domain.com" from ashburn, it bounces immediately > > with "Unknown user". Mail sent from outside ashburn gets to the > > correct place. > > > > The problem looks like the local sendmail on ashburn believes that > > these domains are listed in the sendmail.cw file, which they're > > not. > > > > If anyone has any idea what could be going on, I'd love to hear it. > > I'm completely stumped. > > > > --Wade > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBOhhiQfiUqZ9dnoKsEQKAOgCg40ZsYRr24RoGT+yHcq+jCdpUsnoAoPJI > JrVEgzWVE4JfXdps0G371ffJ > =Ewsg > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 18:33:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646BC37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAK2Qmo63665; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:56:48 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:56:48 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: "Mike O'Dell" Cc: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" , Jim King , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001120125647.B58333@echunga.lemis.com> References: <4.3.2.20001119194541.02267d00@207.227.119.2> <200011200220.VAA77891@servo.ccr.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011200220.VAA77891@servo.ccr.org>; from mo@servo.ccr.org on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 09:20:43PM -0500 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 21:20:43 -0500, Mike O'Dell wrote: > > having partition tables on disks is just as much part of > the "PC architecture" as having to deal with the unpleasant > ealities of BIOS. use the hardware, play the game. > deal with it. Fine, if there's no alternative. But you're ignoring the fact that there is. We get rid of the BIOS as soon as we can after the boot. Why stick with the disk layout? Remember, I'm not saying "let's implement dedicated disks", I'm saying "let's not throw out dedicated disks". Having said that, if this is just a mod to sysinstall, it's not such a big deal. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 18:46: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27A637B4C5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:45:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA18670; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:45:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-107.max1.wa.cyberlynk.net(207.227.118.107) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma018668; Sun Nov 19 20:45:39 2000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20001119204158.02549e90@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:45:06 -0600 To: Chris Byrnes From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: libperl error in make buildworld Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200011200025.eAK0PNE93017@awww.jeah.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 06:25 PM 11/19/00 -0600, Chris Byrnes wrote: >CVSUPd to 4.2 a few minutes ago.. > >/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c: In >function `Perl_pp_readdir': >/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3028: >dereferencing pointer to incomplete type >/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3028: >dereferencing pointer to incomplete type >/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3042: >dereferencing pointer to incomplete type >/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3042: >dereferencing pointer to incomplete type >*** Error code 1 > >Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl. >*** Error code 1 > >StopStop in /usr/src. >*** Error code 1 > >Stop in /usr/src. CVSup'd right after reading this and had no problem. Do a rm -rf /usr/obj/* and try again. Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 18:51: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD10237B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:50:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA94420; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:44:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200011200244.VAA94420@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Zero Sum" Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:23:24 -0500 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: <00111819493901.09278@shalimar.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New US CVSup mirrors Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 19:49:39 +1100, Zero Sum wrote: >... but couldn't you make a small >mod to the CVSsup server such that when over loaded, it requested from >FreeBSD.org, the name of a (nearby?) server that had been updated beyond >the rwquesting client and redirect the session to that server? >Surely it wouldn't be to hard to have the mirroring software report back up >the chain. That may not be "easy" for several reasons (i.e. determining the nearest server to you, etc..". Another possible alternative. How about allowing the client to get two or more servers. If the first one is busy try the next in the list. This would allow people to select the nearest servers and if one is busy go to the next. francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 18:51:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBACE37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:51:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA11941; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:50:37 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda11939; Sun Nov 19 18:50:27 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAK2oMs09222; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:50:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdCI9220; Sun Nov 19 18:50:09 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAK2o9Q65334; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:50:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011200250.eAK2o9Q65334@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdG65322; Sun Nov 19 18:49:34 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: "Mike O'Dell" Cc: Greg Lehey , Jim King , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Partitions (was: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated)) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:20:43 EST." <200011200220.VAA77891@servo.ccr.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:49:34 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200011200220.VAA77891@servo.ccr.org>, "Mike O'Dell" writes: > > having partition tables on disks is just as much part of > the "PC architecture" as having to deal with the unpleasant > ealities of BIOS. use the hardware, play the game. > deal with it. Partition tables are part of the BIOS architecture. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 19: 0: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E43737B4D7 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:59:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (bandix@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA73720; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:59:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:59:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: Greg Lehey Cc: Warner Losh , "Daniel O'Connor" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Sam Zamarripa Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-Reply-To: <20001120112719.U58333@echunga.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Greg Lehey wrote: >I wonder how long the current Microsoft partition table has to live, >anyway? Sooner or later people are going to have to move to LBA >addressing, or disks will get so big that the partition table can't >address them. Then, hopefully, we'll be able to use a more sane >layout. This thread is older than the day is long. The last time it was hashed out this message spelled out the reality of the future of a MBR on the Intel architecture. Get used to it folks. http://docs.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=359438+0+archive/2000/freebsd-stable/20000730.freebsd-stable -- Brandon D. Valentine "Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." -- Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 19: 4:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from flux.ptc.spbu.ru (flux.ptc.spbu.ru [195.19.225.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2C437B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:04:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from snark.ptc.spbu.ru (snark.ptc.spbu.ru [195.19.225.131]) by flux.ptc.spbu.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3/cf-1.0.rbl) with ESMTP id GAA21881 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 06:04:02 +0300 (MSK) Received: (from uwe@localhost) by snark.ptc.spbu.ru (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id GAA09447 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 06:04:01 +0300 (MSK) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 06:04:01 +0300 From: "Valeriy E. Ushakov" To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001120060401.A9409@snark.ptc.spbu.ru> Mail-Followup-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20001120110735.R58333@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.3i In-Reply-To: ; from "Daniel O'Connor" on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 11:14:26 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 11:14:26 +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > At least remove the option from sysinstall so new users don't get > stuck with it. Absolutely. First time I was setting up a FreeBSD box I was really clueless about MBR &c (all my previous machines were real hardware like VAX &c :-). So when I saw that "dangerously dedicated" option I was quick to conclude that the keyword is "dedicated", not "dangerously", and I thought I knew what I was doing. It's only when I had to set up a multiboot machine I did my homework and read docs on what MBR *really* is. So burying deeply or altogether removing that option from sysinstall would only do good for most people... Adding to the Handbook a pointer to MBR docs will help to educate people as well. SY, Uwe -- uwe@ptc.spbu.ru | Zu Grunde kommen http://www.ptc.spbu.ru/~uwe/ | Ist zu Grunde gehen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 19: 8: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADAE37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:08:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.100.1.10] ([63.201.128.43]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G4A0062VZAGQ2@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:06:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:07:17 -0800 From: David Sewell Subject: subscribe To: stable@FreeBSD.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 19:19:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from 2711.dynacom.net (2711.dynacom.net [206.107.213.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCF237B4C5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:19:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from urx.com (dsl1-160.dynacom.net [206.159.132.160]) by 2711.dynacom.net (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07659; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:18:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3A1897EB.39DAE37B@urx.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:18:03 -0800 From: Kent Stewart Reply-To: kstewart@urx.com Organization: Dynacom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warner Losh Cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , Greg Lehey , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Sam Zamarripa Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) References: <200011200050.RAA16476@harmony.village.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Warner Losh wrote: > > In message "Daniel O'Connor" writes: > : At least remove the option from sysinstall so new users don't get > : stuck with it. > > I strongly support this. It has burned me on several machines. It burned me on my first encounter with FreeBSD in 1999 and I won't touch it any more. If you want to move a disk to a new system, there isn't any guarantee that it will boot if any of the HD's are DD. The system doesn't even get to the boot process but hangs when the bios is dealing with the drive right after if finished counting memory. When it hangs at this point in the startup it is really rough to add a proper mbr back on the disk. Kent > > I don't think that anyone will remove it from the kernel... > > Warner > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 19:25:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.com (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F90E37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:25:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80C1177E17; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:31:56 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <0aef01c052a2$34fc3f60$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: , "Warner Losh" Cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , "Greg Lehey" , , "Sam Zamarripa" References: <200011200050.RAA16476@harmony.village.org> <3A1897EB.39DAE37B@urx.com> Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:30:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I originally install freebsd 2.2.5 on my server and forgot if I used this option or not. I'm currently at 4.1.1, how can I check to see if I'm dangerously dedicated or not? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent Stewart" To: "Warner Losh" Cc: "Daniel O'Connor" ; "Greg Lehey" ; ; "Sam Zamarripa" Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 9:18 PM Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) > > > Warner Losh wrote: > > > > In message "Daniel O'Connor" writes: > > : At least remove the option from sysinstall so new users don't get > > : stuck with it. > > > > I strongly support this. It has burned me on several machines. > > It burned me on my first encounter with FreeBSD in 1999 and I won't > touch it any more. If you want to move a disk to a new system, there > isn't any guarantee that it will boot if any of the HD's are DD. The > system doesn't even get to the boot process but hangs when the bios is > dealing with the drive right after if finished counting memory. When > it hangs at this point in the startup it is really rough to add a > proper mbr back on the disk. > > Kent > > > > > I don't think that anyone will remove it from the kernel... > > > > Warner > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > -- > Kent Stewart > Richland, WA > > mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com > http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html > FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 20: 1:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awww.jeah.net (awww.jeah.net [216.111.239.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BFF937B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:01:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by awww.jeah.net (8.11.1/8.11.0) id eAK3xrE66168 for stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:59:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chris) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:59:53 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Byrnes Message-Id: <200011200359.eAK3xrE66168@awww.jeah.net> To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: re: libperl problem Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c: In function `Perl_pp_readdir': /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3028: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3028: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3042: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3042: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl. *** Error code 1 StopStop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. Still there.. did a rm -rf /usr/obj ; rm -rf /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl and re-cvsup'd and same problem.. :\ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 20:12:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from 2711.dynacom.net (2711.dynacom.net [206.107.213.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CCC37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:12:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from urx.com (dsl1-160.dynacom.net [206.159.132.160]) by 2711.dynacom.net (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07884; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:12:11 -0800 Message-ID: <3A18A49B.25B8ADF4@urx.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:12:11 -0800 From: Kent Stewart Reply-To: kstewart@urx.com Organization: Dynacom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Byrnes Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: libperl problem References: <200011200359.eAK3xrE66168@awww.jeah.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris Byrnes wrote: > > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c: In function `Perl_pp_readdir': > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3028: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3028: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3042: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3042: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl. > *** Error code 1 > > StopStop in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > > Still there.. did a rm -rf /usr/obj ; rm -rf /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl and re-cvsup'd and same > problem.. What are you trying to upgrade from. Some people have had to stop building perl until the have a system and then build it. There is a variable in your /etc/make.conf and they set it to NOPERL=true. I think you can do the same thing by doing a "make -dNOPERL buildworld. The discussion is in the archives of stable. Kent > > :\ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 20:13:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awww.jeah.net (awww.jeah.net [216.111.239.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C9A37B4CF for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:13:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by awww.jeah.net (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAK4CCV66648; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:12:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:12:12 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Byrnes To: Kent Stewart Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: libperl problem In-Reply-To: <3A18A49B.25B8ADF4@urx.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > What are you trying to upgrade from. Some people have had to stop > building perl until the have a system and then build it. There is a > variable in your /etc/make.conf and they set it to NOPERL=true. I > think you can do the same thing by doing a "make -dNOPERL buildworld. 4.1.1-STABLE to 4.2. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 20:19:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from KIWI-Computer.com (kiwi-computer.com [63.224.10.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0DA737B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:19:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by KIWI-Computer.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA33447; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:17:24 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: FreeBSD Message-Id: <200011200417.WAA33447@KIWI-Computer.com> Subject: Doubtlessly Detecting Dangerously Dedicated Disks In-Reply-To: <0aef01c052a2$34fc3f60$931576d8@inethouston.net> from "David W. Chapman Jr." at "Nov 19, 2000 09:30:19 pm" To: "David W. Chapman Jr." Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:17:24 -0600 (CST) Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I originally install freebsd 2.2.5 on my server and forgot if I used this > option or not. I'm currently at 4.1.1, how can I check to see if I'm > dangerously dedicated or not? Do: "fdisk " where is something like ad0 for IDE and da0 for SCSI. It should say something "The data for partition X is:" where X is 1-4. If three of them say and the remaining (usually partition 1) says: "start 0" that means it is dangerously dedicated. If it says "start 63" or another non-zero number, it is a compatible slice. --Rick C. Petty, aka Snoopy rick@kiwi-computer.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 20:29:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from 2711.dynacom.net (2711.dynacom.net [206.107.213.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1901237B4C5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:29:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from urx.com (dsl1-160.dynacom.net [206.159.132.160]) by 2711.dynacom.net (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07953; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:29:51 -0800 Message-ID: <3A18A8BF.CC11D5F7@urx.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:29:51 -0800 From: Kent Stewart Reply-To: kstewart@urx.com Organization: Dynacom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Byrnes Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: libperl problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris Byrnes wrote: > > > What are you trying to upgrade from. Some people have had to stop > > building perl until the have a system and then build it. There is a > > variable in your /etc/make.conf and they set it to NOPERL=true. I > > think you can do the same thing by doing a "make -dNOPERL buildworld. > > 4.1.1-STABLE to 4.2. I just finished upgrading 2 machines to what is now showing up as 4.2-release and didn't have any problems. I can let you see the log files but that won't help you. If you were having problems with compiling libperl, I would have expected you to see them at 4.1.1-stable. The module pp_sys.c doesn't show up very often. What is the full text dealing with that module. Perl sometimes has problems if your system date is really out to lunch. Your email is showing up pretty close to my system date, which tracks a ntpd. Kent > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 20:30: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727C037B4C5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAK4TYI69747; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:29:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Roelof Osinga Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RC1 install size In-Reply-To: Message from Roelof Osinga of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:35:16 +0100." <3A1863B4.83304F7C@eboa.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:29:34 -0800 Message-ID: <69743.974694574@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Yeah I know. I sorta checked the FTP sites to see if they were > present before I dived in. The thing about details is that there > are so many of them. And no way to discern which are important > and which trivial. Erm, well, let's just get one thing straight first: There's only one release candidate currently under test and that's RC2. It's only available on ONE place and in ONE form, an ISO image, so there's really only: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/4.2-RC2-install.iso to test when we refer to "FTP sites." Anything else is pretty much irrelevant at this stage in the game since it's obsolete. I also announced RC2 on this mailing list so you should know about it and the location it's being offered from. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 20:32:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57B937B4C5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:32:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAK4N4564559; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:53:04 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:53:04 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: "David W. Chapman Jr." Cc: kstewart@urx.com, Warner Losh , "Daniel O'Connor" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Sam Zamarripa Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001120145304.F58333@echunga.lemis.com> References: <200011200050.RAA16476@harmony.village.org> <3A1897EB.39DAE37B@urx.com> <0aef01c052a2$34fc3f60$931576d8@inethouston.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <0aef01c052a2$34fc3f60$931576d8@inethouston.net>; from dwcjr@inethouston.net on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 09:30:19PM -0600 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 21:30:19 -0600, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > I originally install freebsd 2.2.5 on my server and forgot if I used > this option or not. I'm currently at 4.1.1, how can I check to see > if I'm dangerously dedicated or not? Run fdisk. If it shows valid partitions, you're using a Microsoft partition table. If the partitions are invalid, you're probably dedicated. Either way, it doesn't matter. Greg -- For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/email.html Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 20:35:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awww.jeah.net (awww.jeah.net [216.111.239.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3126F37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:35:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by awww.jeah.net (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAK4Y6967812; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:34:06 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:34:06 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Byrnes To: Kent Stewart Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: libperl problem In-Reply-To: <3A18A8BF.CC11D5F7@urx.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The module pp_sys.c doesn't show up very often. What is the full text > dealing with that module. cc -O -pipe -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5 -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_ctl.c -o pp_ctl.o cc -O -pipe -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5 -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c -o pp_sys.o /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c: In function `Perl_pp_readdir': /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3028: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3028: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3042: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3042: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 20:35:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE1C37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:35:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAK4Z2I69867; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:35:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Warner Losh Cc: Greg Lehey , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-Reply-To: Message from Warner Losh of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:48:14 MST." <200011200048.RAA16419@harmony.village.org> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:35:02 -0800 Message-ID: <69863.974694902@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > But like mike said, it was the ability to create these for the boot > disk that is going away from sysinstall. It causes too many problems > on too many machines. Erm, FWIW, nobody has discussed removing this with me recently and I'd need to see a lot more proof of its total obsolescence before I'd accept its being diked out of sysinstall. What I could perhaps accept would be a different key for creating DD disks so that people didn't use it except very much on purpose. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 20:36:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA0337B4C5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:36:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAK4ZdI69880; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:35:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Warner Losh Cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , Greg Lehey , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Sam Zamarripa Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-Reply-To: Message from Warner Losh of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:50:48 MST." <200011200050.RAA16476@harmony.village.org> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:35:39 -0800 Message-ID: <69877.974694939@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I strongly support this. It has burned me on several machines. Erm, then don't use it? Next I imagine you'll want us to disable the newfs command since you once used it by mistake. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 21:35:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE4037B4CF for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAK5TQI65253; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:59:26 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:59:26 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: Warner Losh , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001120155926.L58333@echunga.lemis.com> References: <69863.974694902@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <69863.974694902@winston.osd.bsdi.com>; from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 08:35:02PM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 20:35:02 -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote: >> But like mike said, it was the ability to create these for the boot >> disk that is going away from sysinstall. It causes too many problems >> on too many machines. > > Erm, FWIW, nobody has discussed removing this with me recently and I'd > need to see a lot more proof of its total obsolescence before I'd > accept its being diked out of sysinstall. What I could perhaps accept > would be a different key for creating DD disks so that people didn't > use it except very much on purpose. Agreed. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 21:37:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost01.reflexnet.net (mailhost01.reflexnet.net [64.6.192.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D0037B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:37:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from 149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com ([64.6.211.149]) by mailhost01.reflexnet.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:36:19 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by 149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eAK5bkv27215; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:37:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:37:46 -0800 From: "Crist J . Clark" To: danny patterson Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: yet another sendmail problem. Message-ID: <20001119213746.I12190@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <001c01c05299$d9f59c40$0200a8c0@cysko.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <001c01c05299$d9f59c40$0200a8c0@cysko.dyndns.org>; from dpatters@nettally.com on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 09:30:29PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 09:30:29PM -0500, danny patterson wrote: > Alrighty, I connect to the internet through my ISP and run a bunch of > internet services including sendmail. Now my problem is that when i send > mail to some servers, they run that anti-spam software so it doesn't accept > my mail. to bypass this, I changed my sendmail setup to forward the mail > sending to my ISP.. but now whenever i send a message i get: > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; recipient@domain.com > Action: failed > Status: 5.1.1 > Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.myisp.com > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Relay request denied, and recipient@domain.com is > not a local domain name. > > What's up with that? The error is being delivered locally and never leaves > my box. Thanks a bunch. Your relay request is denied, and the mail is not destined for a local user at your ISP. Sounds like your ISP does not want to relay your mail. What does this have to do with -STABLE? -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@alum.mit.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 22:15:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.asdg.ru (ns.asdg.ru [212.164.69.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3929837B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:15:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from alex ([212.164.69.25]) by ns.asdg.ru (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id eAK6FUH15346 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:15:35 +0600 (NOVT) (envelope-from alex@asdg.ru) Message-ID: <003201c052b9$55acf6c0$1945a4d4@asdg.ru> From: "Alex Markov" To: References: <20001118231633.A85206@evilcode.com> <200011190635.eAJ6ZRS94516@grumpy.dyndns.org> <20001118230305.A83848@evilcode.com> <20001119151138.A7434@bsdvm.jtjang.idv.tw> <200011192202.eAJM2cG03593@billy-club.village.org> <200011192239.eAJMdDa90818@earth.backplane.com> <200011192308.eAJN8q714360@whizzo.transsys.com> Subject: Re: cd /usr/ports; make clean Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:15:44 +0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Fidolook Express 2.000 for MS OE5 Organization: Fidolook Express 2.000 www.fidolook.da.ru Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Since I export /usr/ports read-only, I never put my work directories > > in the ports hierarchy itself. I set /etc/make.conf to: > > > > WRKDIRPREFIX= /var/tmp > > Hey, this is very cool! This should be listed in /etc/defaults/make.conf. > And I guess that you have a symlink for /usr/ports/distfiles too? One more way (i use it on my PC): DISTDIR=/arc/dist # all distfiles store WRKDIRPREFIX=/tmp # i have pretty large root fs ;-) WRKDIR=$(WRKDIRPREFIX)/$(PORTNAME) # simply decrease number of subdirs Of course, my /usr/src & /usr/ports mounted from NFS-server. Alex M. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 23: 7:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.uvd.chel.su (uvd.chel.su [195.54.2.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287A437B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:07:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from isergeya.uvd.chel.su (isergeya.uvd.chel.su [192.168.200.123]) by relay.uvd.chel.su (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551B362D6D for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:06:55 +0500 (YEKT) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:16:21 +0500 From: "Sergey A. Ivanov" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.47 Halloween Edition) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: "Sergey A. Ivanov" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <14812672445.20001120121621@pd.chel.ru> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: what's wrond with routed? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello freebsd-stable! I'm trying to tune up RIP client at # uname -a FreeBSD ras.uvd.chel.su 4.2-BETA FreeBSD 4.2-BETA #0: Mon Nov 13 12:00:43 YEKT 2000 root@ras.uvd.chel.su:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ORACLE i386 I have one NIC with aliases: # ifconfig -au rl0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.200.29 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.200.255 inet 212.57.133.29 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 212.57.133.255 inet 212.57.133.16 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 212.57.133.16 ether 00:50:ba:d0:a5:24 media: 10baseT/UTP status: active supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX 10baseT/UT P 10baseT/UTP 100baseTX lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 I'm running routed -qAdt and see: -- 12:02:58 -- Tracing actions started Add interface rl0 192.168.200.29 -->192.168.200.0/24 RCVBUF=61440 turn on RIP Add interface rl0 212.57.133.29 -->212.57.133.0/24 212.57.133.16/32 127.0.0.1/32 Add 127.0.0.1/32 -->127.0.0.1 metric=0 lo0 Add 212.57.133.0 -->212.57.133.16 metric=0 rl0 Add 212.57.133.16/32-->212.57.133.16 metric=0 rl0 Del 212.57.133.0 -->212.57.133.16 metric=0 rl0 Add 212.57.133.0 -->212.57.133.29 metric=0 rl0 Add 192.168.200.0 -->192.168.200.29 metric=0 rl0 -- 12:02:58 -- ignore RTM_NEWMADDR for AF 0 -- 12:02:58 -- Add 192.168.172.0 -->192.168.200.21 metric=3 rl0 12:02:58 Add 192.168.161.0 -->192.168.200.21 metric=4 rl0 12:02:58 Add 0.0.0.0 -->192.168.200.21 metric=3 rl0 12:02:58 Add 192.168.166.0 -->192.168.200.21 metric=3 rl0 12:02:58 Add 192.168.165.0 -->192.168.200.21 metric=3 rl0 12:02:58 Add 194.135.54.0 -->192.168.200.21 metric=3 rl0 12:02:58 Add 192.168.2.0 -->192.168.200.21 metric=3 rl0 12:02:58 Add 192.168.1.0 -->192.168.200.21 metric=5 rl0 12:02:58 Add 172.22.0.0 -->192.168.200.21 metric=3 rl0 12:02:58 Add 172.21.0.0 -->192.168.200.21 metric=3 rl0 12:02:58 Add 172.20.0.0 -->192.168.200.21 metric=3 rl0 12:02:58 Add 192.168.167.0 -->192.168.200.21 metric=3 rl0 12:02:58 Add 192.168.160.0 -->192.168.200.21 metric=3 rl0 12:02:58 Add 194.135.52.0 -->192.168.200.21 metric=2 rl0 12:02:58 Add 194.135.53.0 -->192.168.200.21 metric=3 rl0 12:02:58 Add 192.168.168.0 -->192.168.200.21 metric=4 rl0 12:02:58 Add 192.168.192.0 -->192.168.200.21 metric=2 rl0 12:02:58 Add 193.125.9.0 -->192.168.200.21 metric=2 rl0 12:02:58 Add 192.168.253.0 -->192.168.200.21 metric=1 rl0 12:02:58 192.168.200.21 is Novell netware 4.2. None of routes appears in netstat -rn: # netstat -rn Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default 212.57.133.14 UGSc 4 100 rl0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 3 13456 lo0 192.168.200 link#1 UC 0 0 rl0 => 192.168.200.1 0:60:97:18:7e:16 UHLW 2 2286 rl0 246 192.168.200.10 0:80:2d:5:53:40 UHLW 0 23633 rl0 949 192.168.200.16 link#1 UHLW 1 9723 rl0 => 192.168.200.21 0:0:21:c4:dd:b0 UHLW 0 0 rl0 1097 192.168.200.123 0:50:ba:d7:ea:b8 UHLW 2 1824 rl0 866 192.168.200.127 0:50:ba:d6:3a:88 UHLW 0 1 rl0 887 212.57.133 link#1 UC 0 0 rl0 => 212.57.133.14 0:60:97:18:7e:16 UHLW 2 78 rl0 615 212.57.133.16/32 link#1 UC 0 0 rl0 => 212.57.133.200 link#1 UHLW 1 1 rl0 => IPX: Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire What's wrong in my system? Or with novell? Best regards, Sergey mailto:lw@pd.chel.ru ICQ UIN: 49432691 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 23:18:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shalimar.net.au (shalimar.net.au [198.142.161.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F57A37B4CF for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:18:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from shalimar.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shalimar.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eAK7H2R18495; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:17:03 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from count@shalimar.net.au) From: Zero Sum Organization: Tobacco Chewers and Body Painters Association. Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:17:02 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "Francisco Reyes" , "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" References: <200011200244.VAA94420@sanson.reyes.somos.net> In-Reply-To: <200011200244.VAA94420@sanson.reyes.somos.net> Subject: Re: New US CVSup mirrors MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00112018170204.61849@shalimar.net.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday 20 November 2000 13:23, Francisco Reyes wrote: > On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 19:49:39 +1100, Zero Sum wrote: > > >... but couldn't you make a small > >mod to the CVSsup server such that when over loaded, it requested from > >FreeBSD.org, the name of a (nearby?) server that had been updated beyond > >the rwquesting client and redirect the session to that server? > > >Surely it wouldn't be to hard to have the mirroring software report back up > >the chain. > > That may not be "easy" for several reasons (i.e. determining the > nearest server to you, etc..". > > Another possible alternative. How about allowing the client to > get two or more servers. If the first one is busy try the next > in the list. This would allow people to select the nearest > servers and if one is busy go to the next. > Because that still has the problem of potentially taking you backwards or messing you up if the mirrors are not quite in sync (the normal situation). If you are going to try a second mirror within a short timeframe, it has to be further up the food chain. If the server you select is not available, then an automatic switch to the next one up the CVS mirror food chain might work. The unavailable server can inform the requesting client that it wqas last updated from xxx, and the client can automaticaly retry from xxx. Last stop cvsup.freebsd.org.... Geoff -- count@shalimar.net.au Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 23:43:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shalimar.net.au (shalimar.net.au [198.142.161.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B2F37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from shalimar.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shalimar.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eAK7gJR18568; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:42:22 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from count@shalimar.net.au) From: Zero Sum Organization: Tobacco Chewers and Body Painters Association. Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:42:19 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Roelof Osinga To: Warner Losh , Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group References: <200011191657.eAJGvnZ63007@cwsys.cwsent.com> <200011192207.eAJM7hG03622@billy-club.village.org> In-Reply-To: <200011192207.eAJM7hG03622@billy-club.village.org> Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00112018421905.61849@shalimar.net.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday 20 November 2000 09:07, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <200011191657.eAJGvnZ63007@cwsys.cwsent.com> Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group writes: > : If/when dangerously dedicated goes away, will there be special > : provision for Zip and Jazz disks? Or, will we need to put an fdisk > : style partition table on Zip and Jazz disks, then slice them with > : disklabel? > > Booting off of dangerously dedicated disks will go away. I suspect > that things will work with them. > > I'd be tempted to put an fdisk style partition on the jazz/zip disks > in any event. It is now trivial to do (fdisk -I daX), doesn't cost > much (like 32k iirc) and keeps you from shooting yourself in the head > later. Does this allow multiple partitions on a zip? Geoff -- count@shalimar.net.au Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 23:57:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719DB37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:57:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17206; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:57:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAK7vQB69865; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:57:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:57:25 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Greg Lehey Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001119235725.A69566@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200011200050.RAA16476@harmony.village.org> <3A1897EB.39DAE37B@urx.com> <0aef01c052a2$34fc3f60$931576d8@inethouston.net> <20001120145304.F58333@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001120145304.F58333@echunga.lemis.com>; from grog@lemis.com on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 02:53:04PM +1030 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 02:53:04PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > > If it shows valid partitions, you're using a Microsoft partition table. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Greg, can you read English?? Can you comprehend it?? Are you bind and in a write-only mode?? For the last time IT IS NOT A MICROSOFT PARTITION TABLE but a PC BIOS PARTITION TABLE AND DICTATED BY THE INTEL x86 PLATFORM. THEY ARE ALSO REQUIRED BY THE IA-64 PLATFORM. Why do you *insist* on calling it a "Microsoft partition table"?? To the best of my knowledge, you are not one of our boot experts, so who do you keep putting forth this FUD? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 23:58: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A3737B4C5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:58:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17211; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:57:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAK7vwD69878; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:57:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:57:58 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Greg Lehey Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001119235758.B69566@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200011200050.RAA16476@harmony.village.org> <20001120112719.U58333@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001120112719.U58333@echunga.lemis.com>; from grog@echunga.lemis.com on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 11:27:19AM +1030 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 11:27:19AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > I wonder how long the current Microsoft partition table has to live, > anyway? Forever, they are mandated on the IA-64 also. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 19 23:59:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB5A37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:59:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17218; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:59:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAK7xVc69910; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:59:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:59:31 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Greg Lehey Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001119235931.C69566@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20001120110735.R58333@echunga.lemis.com> <20001120110319.P58333@echunga.lemis.com> <20001120110735.R58333@echunga.lemis.com> <200011200048.RAA16419@harmony.village.org> <20001120112835.V58333@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001120112835.V58333@echunga.lemis.com>; from grog@lemis.com on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 11:28:35AM +1030 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 11:28:35AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > No. Unlike the Microsoft partition tables in dedicated machines, it > has advantages that make up for it. But take away my ability to write > in assembler and I'll complain too. They why don't you write Vinum in ASM?? You'd save more space then your whining about loosing here. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 0:52:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 959EA37B4C5; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:52:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAK8oif66357; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:20:44 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:20:44 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: "David O'Brien" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001120192044.Q58333@echunga.lemis.com> References: <200011200050.RAA16476@harmony.village.org> <20001120112719.U58333@echunga.lemis.com> <20001119235758.B69566@dragon.nuxi.com> <200011200050.RAA16476@harmony.village.org> <3A1897EB.39DAE37B@urx.com> <0aef01c052a2$34fc3f60$931576d8@inethouston.net> <20001120145304.F58333@echunga.lemis.com> <20001119235725.A69566@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001119235725.A69566@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 11:57:25PM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 23:57:25 -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 02:53:04PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >> >> If it shows valid partitions, you're using a Microsoft partition table. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Greg, can you read English?? Can you comprehend it?? Are you bind and in > a write-only mode?? > For the last time IT IS NOT A MICROSOFT PARTITION TABLE but a PC BIOS > PARTITION TABLE AND DICTATED BY THE INTEL x86 PLATFORM. THEY ARE ALSO > REQUIRED BY THE IA-64 PLATFORM. > > Why do you *insist* on calling it a "Microsoft partition table"?? Hmm. I was going to say "Because it was introduced with Microsoft 2.0", but I'm no longer so sure. Reading the MS-DOS 2.11 source code, it seems that they didn't have a partition table at the time. Can anybody remember when it was introduced? Anyway, it's needed for "modern" Microsoft offerings, and not really for much else. It's also not a UNIX partition table. But both work on the x86 platform, and I'm pretty sure Intel didn't have anything to do with its development, so calling it an Intel partition table is ambiguous. To call it an IBM partition table would just confuse the issue even further. > To the best of my knowledge, you are not one of our boot experts, so > who do you keep putting forth this FUD? I don't see this as FUD, it's just a terminology convention. What do you call it? On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 23:57:58 -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 11:27:19AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> I wonder how long the current Microsoft partition table has to live, >> anyway? > > Forever, they are mandated on the IA-64 also. Forever is a long time. Admittedly it's silly to keep chs alive even longer than necessary. On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 23:59:31 -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 11:28:35AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >> No. Unlike the Microsoft partition tables in dedicated machines, it >> has advantages that make up for it. But take away my ability to write >> in assembler and I'll complain too. > > They why don't you write Vinum in ASM?? You'd save more space then > your whining about loosing here. You've ignored the text above: "it (C) has advantages that make up for it.". So why are you getting all upset about this matter? I thought we had already put it to bed. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 0:55:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D9737B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:55:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAK8tqQ21974; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:55:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA20585; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:55:51 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011200855.BAA20585@harmony.village.org> To: Zero Sum Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:42:19 +1100." <00112018421905.61849@shalimar.net.au> References: <00112018421905.61849@shalimar.net.au> <200011191657.eAJGvnZ63007@cwsys.cwsent.com> <200011192207.eAJM7hG03622@billy-club.village.org> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:55:51 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <00112018421905.61849@shalimar.net.au> Zero Sum writes: : Does this allow multiple partitions on a zip? Yes, but fdisk is awkward to use for editing. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 0:58:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.libero.it (smtp1.libero.it [193.70.192.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB35337B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:58:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from libero.it (193.70.192.64) by smtp1.libero.it; 20 Nov 2000 09:58:44 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:00:31 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: minimal (binary) installation upgrade MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "robi" To: andyf@speednet.com.au Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-XaM3-API-Version: 1.1.9.1.27 X-SenderIP: 193.5.152.22 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Andy. with that ("NOMAN=3D true") I managed to install on 80 Mb /usr Then I went on and wipe out by hand all man pages and other doc under /usr/share that were previously installed when it failed... so now I even have some free space on disk. hehehe. Take care. > > On Sat, 18 Nov 2000, robi wrote: > > > How can I get a minimal installation using installworld > > like the one I had from the installation CD? (only binaries, > > no doc, no src, ...) > > Here is what I use to install a minimal system onto a 100MB disk: > (note the addition of "NOMAN=3D true" - hope this helps!) > > CFLAGS=3D -O -pipe > COPTFLAGS=3D -O -pipe > NO_CVS=3D true # do not build CVS > NO_FORTRAN=3D true # do not build g77 and related libraries > NO_LPR=3D true # do not build lpr and related programs > NO_OBJC=3D true # do not build Objective C support > NO_SHAREDOCS=3D true # do not build the 4.4BSD legacy docs > NO_X=3D true # do not compile in XWindows support (e.g. doscmd) > NODESCRYPTLINKS=3Dtrue # do not replace libcrypt -> libscrypt links > NOGAMES=3D true # do not build games (games/ subdir) > NOINFO=3D true # do not make or install info files > NOLIBC_R=3D true # do not build libc_r (re-entrant version of libc) > NOMAN=3D true # do not build or install man pages > NOPROFILE=3D true # Avoid compiling profiled libraries > NOSHARE=3D true # do not go into the share subdir > NOUUCP=3D true # do not build uucp related programs > NOPORTDOCS=3D true > > > > > > Best regards. > > -- > > Roberto Nunnari > > Luck is... miss the wrong train. > > > > -- > > :{ andyf@speednet.com.au > > Andy Farkas > System Administrator > Speednet Communications > http://www.speednet.com.au/ > > > > -- Roberto Nunnari Luck is... miss the wrong train. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 1: 5:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3CC37B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:05:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAK95eQ22485; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 02:05:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id CAA20973; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 02:05:40 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011200905.CAA20973@harmony.village.org> To: mike ryan Subject: Re: 4.2-BETA hangs on boot Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:19:14 EST." <20001119211914.A42618@medianstrip.net> References: <20001119211914.A42618@medianstrip.net> <20001116195957.A62344@bonsai.knology.net> <200011170209.eAH297q51130@drugs.dv.isc.org> <20001116204344.B62344@bonsai.knology.net> <200011172203.PAA77619@harmony.village.org> <20001117172251.A34915@medianstrip.net> <200011172314.QAA78313@harmony.village.org> <20001119042505.A7076@medianstrip.net> <200011192205.eAJM5QG03609@billy-club.village.org> <20001119193941.A38978@medianstrip.net> <200011200043.RAA16333@harmony.village.org> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 02:05:39 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20001119211914.A42618@medianstrip.net> mike ryan writes: : On 11/19/00, Warner Losh wrote: : > In message <20001119193941.A38978@medianstrip.net> mike ryan writes: : > : i'm not entirely sure i understand. "pnp o/s = no" causes the bios : > : to assign an irq to the pcic controller, meaning the pcic controller : > : raises that interrupt on insertions/removals, but the driver, : > : operating in polling mode, never clears the interrupt so the machine : > : wedges trying to service it? if this is correct, how does ddb : > : manage to unwedge things? : > : > I'm not sure. I suspect that it is assigning other interrupts : > differently. I'm not entirely sure. : : now i definitely don't understand. is this a response to the first : question? : : how could interrupt assignments to other devices cause wedges on : card insertion events? I don't know. There's something going on that I do not understand. I do not understand why breaking into the debugger somehow clears the interrupt so that the system works again. : > : the fix in -current is the pci interrupt routing code which allows : > : us to set "pnp os = yes" in the bios and let freebsd make irq : > : assignments only for devices it understands? : > : > FreeBSD -current doesn't support this just yet. : : okay... so what is the circa-bsdcon interrupt-related fix in : -current to which you referred then? Ah, that's where we start to route interrupts to the cardbus cards. Actually, that's for all pci generally. But there are a number of different changes necessary for this functionality and these changes are ongoing. They were made by myself and mike smith. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 1:22: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shark.harmonic.co.il (jupiter.harmonic.co.il [192.116.140.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B3737B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:22:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (roman@localhost) by shark.harmonic.co.il (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09112; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:21:22 +0200 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:21:22 +0200 (IST) From: Roman Shterenzon To: Donn Miller Cc: Matt Dillon , Garrett Wollman , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, mckusick@mckusick.com Subject: Re: Any outstanding soft-updates or FFS bugs (matching this description)? In-Reply-To: <3A1212BC.F648B2E9@cvzoom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Donn Miller wrote: > Matt Dillon wrote: > > > I've had filesystems blow up under test when filling a parition > > with softupdates turned on. The most recent time was last > > weekend while I was testing low-memory stuff. > > It would be nice if the softupdates code (or maybe other kernel code > could do this) could detect when filesystem space is running low, and > kick into some "fail-safe" mode. For example, when the free space drops > below 15%, softupdates could automatically shut itself off, and then > turn itself back on when the free space rises above 20% (hysteresis). I don't know if it's possible (I mean, how hard it's to implement), but 15% of 60Gb it's a lot of space (for example). Just my 0.02$ --Roman Shterenzon, UNIX System Administrator and Consultant [ Xpert UNIX Systems Ltd., Herzlia, Israel. Tel: +972-9-9522361 ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 1:25: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-178-138.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.178.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE67A37B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:24:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAK9VdF11598; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:31:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011200931.eAK9VdF11598@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Greg Lehey Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:03:19 +1030." <20001120110319.P58333@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:31:39 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >> Right, for those cases where it's needed. More specifically, we need > >> to now how non-bogus it needs to be. > > > > Why is DD ever _needed_? > > Because Microsoft partition tables waste space. This is incorrect. DD mode was created in an attempt to work around legacy geometry-related issues. It was a mistake. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 1:26:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from aifhs8.alcatel.fr (aifhs8.alcatel.fr [212.208.74.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D5B37B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:26:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from frmta003.netfr.alcatel.fr (frmta003.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.251.32]) by aifhs8.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/SMTP2) with SMTP id KAA03370; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:26:35 +0100 (MET) Received: by frmta003.netfr.alcatel.fr(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id C125699D.0033DEAF ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:26:33 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ALCATEL From: Thierry.Herbelot@alcatel.fr To: Peter Lai Cc: "'stable@freebsd.org'" Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:18:05 +0100 Subject: Re: lnc0 and AT1500 NICs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, there has been a bug the the pcn driver which inhibited the use of the lnc driver. this bug has been corrected recently. If you can get a newer floppy set, you may have a better luck installing FreeBSD via a lnc NIC TfH Peter Lai on 20/11/2000 00:26:10 To: "'stable@freebsd.org'" cc: (bcc: Thierry HERBELOT/FR/ALCATEL) Subject: lnc0 and AT1500 NICs I have a slackware system that I am converting to FreeBSD 4.1.1 I would like to do a network install via ftp. I have an AT1500 NIC (ISA) which evidently works with a lance-amd driver (in linux). I selected `lnc0' in the initial kernel startup menu (after mfsroot loads). I try to get an IP from the DHCP server which has worked in the freebsd box sitting next to this one. The DEBUG screen shows that lnc0 fails to initialise, and then finally after multiple attemtps, it says `unable to run DAD, possible driver problem?'. Is there some hack to get this NIC working? the AT1500 is listed in the handbook as definately compatible. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 1:45: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-178-138.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.178.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4858F37B65E for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:45:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAK9poF11675; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:51:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011200951.eAK9poF11675@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: FreeBSD Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks, et al. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:41:37 CST." <200011200041.SAA30068@KIWI-Computer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:51:50 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > >> The problem is the bogus MBR that the DD writes confuses some > > >> BIOSes and causes your disks to be non-bootable. > > So why don't we fix the bogus MBR so that we can still do DD? I'll offer > to help. "Fixing" the bogus MBR means using a valid partition layout. This is what is going to be done. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 1:47:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-178-138.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.178.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3757437B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:47:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAK9rtF11698; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:53:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011200953.eAK9rtF11698@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Greg Lehey Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:23:01 +1030." <20001120112301.T58333@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:53:55 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >> Because Microsoft partition tables waste space. > > > > That's a really weak argument, given the price and size of drives > > nowadays. > > It's a matter of principle. Why waste? It's a matter of principle. Why produce something that's broken? -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 1:49: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-178-138.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.178.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9723F37B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:48:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAK9tiF11715; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:55:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011200955.eAK9tiF11715@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Greg Lehey Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:27:19 +1030." <20001120112719.U58333@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:55:44 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I don't think that anyone will remove it from the kernel... > > OK, the more this thread continues, the more it's looking as if we're > talking about different things. I don't have (much) of an objection > to removing it from sysinstall. If that's all we're talking about, I > don't have any further objections. But I still want to have the > facility in the system. The ability to create disks which do not have a valid slice table will go away. End of story. > I wonder how long the current Microsoft partition table has to live, > anyway? Sooner or later people are going to have to move to LBA > addressing, or disks will get so big that the partition table can't > address them. Then, hopefully, we'll be able to use a more sane > layout. Geez Greg. You really don't have a damn clue about this, do you? Or have you conveniently overlooked the fact that the slice table already *contains* an LBA field? -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 1:52: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-178-138.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.178.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED8237B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:52:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAK9wqF11734; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:58:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011200958.eAK9wqF11734@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Greg Lehey Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:56:48 +1030." <20001120125647.B58333@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:58:52 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 21:20:43 -0500, Mike O'Dell wrote: > > > > having partition tables on disks is just as much part of > > the "PC architecture" as having to deal with the unpleasant > > ealities of BIOS. use the hardware, play the game. > > deal with it. > > Fine, if there's no alternative. But you're ignoring the fact that > there is. We get rid of the BIOS as soon as we can after the boot. > Why stick with the disk layout? Remember, I'm not saying "let's > implement dedicated disks", I'm saying "let's not throw out dedicated > disks". Just so that some poor sap that searches on this topic doesn't get swamped by your FUD, I'll answer this question *again*. Because the mere *presence* of a disk with a DD layout in the system - not the boot disk, not even a disk ever accessed by the bootstrap process - can and will in some cases cause standards-compliant adapter firmware to *crash* or otherwise fail in a fashion which renders the system unable to boot. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 2:25:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-178-138.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.178.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350B837B4C5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 02:25:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAKAVqF12141; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 02:31:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011201031.eAKAVqF12141@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Greg Lehey Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:20:44 +1030." <20001120192044.Q58333@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 02:31:52 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Why do you *insist* on calling it a "Microsoft partition table"?? > > Hmm. I was going to say "Because it was introduced with Microsoft > 2.0", but I'm no longer so sure. Reading the MS-DOS 2.11 source code, > it seems that they didn't have a partition table at the time. Can > anybody remember when it was introduced? AFAIR it was introduced with the IBM PC-DOS hard disk extensions; I believe the format predates the PC and probably came from something obscure like the System/34, or possibly one of the CP/M variants. Regardless of your bigoted outlook, it happens to be a platform standard. Whether some long-retired Microsoft employee devised it or not, it's the way that IAPC systems work. > Anyway, it's needed for "modern" Microsoft offerings, and not really > for much else. ... other than almost every other operating system that runs on IAPC hardware, a good deal of firmware for hardware supported in these systems, CHRP or PReP (I forget which) and, oh, the IA-64. > So why are you getting all upset about this matter? I thought we had > already put it to bed. You continue to spread misinformation. It's necessary to correct this or run the risk of a great many people thinking you speak from an informed background (and thus being surprised when the technically correct actions end up being taken). -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 3: 3:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (unknown [63.202.178.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE9D37B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 03:03:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAKB7hF12419; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 03:07:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011201107.eAKB7hF12419@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: mike ryan Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.2-BETA hangs on boot In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:39:41 EST." <20001119193941.A38978@medianstrip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 03:07:43 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > i'm not entirely sure i understand. "pnp o/s = no" causes the bios > to assign an irq to the pcic controller, meaning the pcic controller > raises that interrupt on insertions/removals, but the driver, > operating in polling mode, never clears the interrupt so the machine > wedges trying to service it? if this is correct, how does ddb > manage to unwedge things? In some cases, the issue is that the interrupt generated by the bridge is level-triggered, which means that a failure to handle and clear it results in an interrupt loop. I don't know why breaking to DDB would ever fix this. If the interrupt is shared with other hardware (in your case, it appears to be shared with the UHCI controller, which is normal) then the interplay simply becomes more complex (because the failure may be due to bad behaviour in other code which responds differently when single-stepped due to timing interactions with the hardware). > the fix in -current is the pci interrupt routing code which allows > us to set "pnp os = yes" in the bios and let freebsd make irq > assignments only for devices it understands? any chance this will > MFC-ed? The "correct" fix is to improve our old and badly broken pccard/cardbus code, which is a work in progress. The interrupt routing code exists so that we can deal with bridges which don't have an interrupt correctly assigned (typically it's connected OK, but we don't know where to). -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 3:30: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8B037B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 03:30:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA95856; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 06:23:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200011201123.GAA95856@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Zero Sum" Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 06:27:16 -0500 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: <00112018170204.61849@shalimar.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New US CVSup mirrors Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:17:02 +1100, Zero Sum wrote: >If you are going to try a second mirror within a short timeframe, it has to >be further up the food chain. > >If the server you select is not available, then an automatic switch to the >next one up the CVS mirror food chain might work. It may still be easier if the servers reported a last update date or some other unique way of identifying last update. The client could use this flag(s) to detect a mirror less up to date than the source tree been updated and display an error which would require some kind of override flag. After a little more thought there is another problem with your approach. It would basically require some server to always be able to indicate the next machine on the "food chain", but what happens when that machine is too busy? In other words that approach simply adds another possible step which may lessen the bottleneck and is more scalable, but is not a distributed approach. IMHO it is best to try to use schemes which distribute the load/tasks as much as possible. francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 4:40: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from aifhs8.alcatel.fr (aifhs8.alcatel.fr [212.208.74.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2411537B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 04:39:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from frmta003.netfr.alcatel.fr (frmta003.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.251.32]) by aifhs8.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/SMTP2) with SMTP id NAA05650; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:39:51 +0100 (MET) Received: by frmta003.netfr.alcatel.fr(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id C125699D.00458A2A ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:39:33 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ALCATEL From: Thierry.Herbelot@alcatel.fr To: Peter Lai Cc: stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:36:16 +0100 Subject: RE: lnc0 and AT1500 NICs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [please, do not trim the CC list : other people in the list may hvae the same problem] you may want to wait just a little for the newest and greatest 4.2. release to come out : the problem should be solved. TfH (you may also want to try one of the latest snapshots from ) Peter Lai on 20/11/2000 11:18:55 To: Thierry HERBELOT/FR/ALCATEL@ALCATEL cc: Subject: RE: lnc0 and AT1500 NICs i am using the installation floppies from 4.1.1-RELEASE. Should i get something newer? -----Original Message----- From: Thierry.Herbelot@alcatel.fr To: Peter Lai Cc: 'stable@freebsd.org' Sent: 11/20/2000 4:18 AM Subject: Re: lnc0 and AT1500 NICs Hello, there has been a bug the the pcn driver which inhibited the use of the lnc driver. this bug has been corrected recently. If you can get a newer floppy set, you may have a better luck installing FreeBSD via a lnc NIC TfH Peter Lai on 20/11/2000 00:26:10 To: "'stable@freebsd.org'" cc: (bcc: Thierry HERBELOT/FR/ALCATEL) Subject: lnc0 and AT1500 NICs I have a slackware system that I am converting to FreeBSD 4.1.1 I would like to do a network install via ftp. I have an AT1500 NIC (ISA) which evidently works with a lance-amd driver (in linux). I selected `lnc0' in the initial kernel startup menu (after mfsroot loads). I try to get an IP from the DHCP server which has worked in the freebsd box sitting next to this one. The DEBUG screen shows that lnc0 fails to initialise, and then finally after multiple attemtps, it says `unable to run DAD, possible driver problem?'. Is there some hack to get this NIC working? the AT1500 is listed in the handbook as definately compatible. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 4:46: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03C137B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 04:46:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01795; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:45:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:45:53 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: Matt Dillon Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cd /usr/ports; make clean Message-ID: <20001120074553.A1776@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20001118231633.A85206@evilcode.com> <200011190635.eAJ6ZRS94516@grumpy.dyndns.org> <20001118230305.A83848@evilcode.com> <20001119151138.A7434@bsdvm.jtjang.idv.tw> <200011192202.eAJM2cG03593@billy-club.village.org> <200011192239.eAJMdDa90818@earth.backplane.com> <200011192308.eAJN8q714360@whizzo.transsys.com> <200011192324.eAJNO1891133@earth.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200011192324.eAJNO1891133@earth.backplane.com>; from dillon@earth.backplane.com on Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 03:24:01PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG {cc's trimmed} On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 03:24:01PM -0800, Matt Dillon wrote: > It would be even better if the ports system could look in two places > for distfiles ... so I could build up local repository on the NFS > server that clients would use directly, and still allow clients > to download distributions into local directories when the NFS server > doesn't have the request. I just wrote two articles about the port system. (rummage, rummage, cut & paste) Probably the most useful option for maintainers of large FreeBSD networks is MASTER_SITE_OVERRIDE. The network administrator can build a central repository of important distfiles on a local server. The site listed in MASTER_SITE_OVERRIDE is checked for distfiles before any remote sites are contacted. This saves on exterior bandwidth and makes fetching distfiles more reliable. ==ml PS: Whoa, I knew something Matt Dillon didn't. I feel faint. ;) -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 4:50:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shark.harmonic.co.il (jupiter.harmonic.co.il [192.116.140.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D055237B479; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 04:50:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (roman@localhost) by shark.harmonic.co.il (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16130; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:50:50 +0200 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:50:49 +0200 (IST) From: Roman Shterenzon To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated In-Reply-To: <200011192231.eAJMVIF09854@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > Using what I consider to be a artifact of another operating system on a > > > > machine that doesn't use that OS seems silly to me. Unless, of course, > > > > that artifact has some useful feature(s) or functionality. If it does, I'm > > > > all ears. > > > > > > What "you consider" doesn't have much bearing on the situation. As for > > > useful functionality, this has been done to death. It should be enough > > > for you to accept that the platform requires it > > > > Except that it doesn't, as 'dangerously dedicated' mode shows. > > "DD" mode has never worked properly. Ever since it's been in existence, > it's show that a valid slice table is necessary. > > > >, and that a goodly slice > > > of platform-compliant firmware and software will fail in undesirable ways > > > if it's not present. All of which has been explained in excruciating > > > detail before. > > > > Except that the software hasn't always required it previously, and it > > previously did not fail. > > It has, and it previously did fail. > > > Some would call this 'regression', but I suppose others will call it > > 'progress'. > > Some would just call it "making stuff work", which is the whole point of > the exercise. This is a really long thread indeed. Could someone sum it up, and say why the current way isn't good? The sysinstall asks and warns about the "DD" mode, isn't that sufficient? --Roman Shterenzon, UNIX System Administrator and Consultant [ Xpert UNIX Systems Ltd., Herzlia, Israel. Tel: +972-9-9522361 ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 4:57:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DE237B479; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 04:57:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id EAA13754; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 04:57:13 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda13752; Mon Nov 20 04:57:05 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAKCutY12042; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 04:56:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdV12028; Mon Nov 20 04:56:32 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAKCuSO68175; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 04:56:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011201256.eAKCuSO68175@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdI68171; Mon Nov 20 04:56:27 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: Greg Lehey Cc: "David O'Brien" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:20:44 +1030." <20001120192044.Q58333@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 04:56:27 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20001120192044.Q58333@echunga.lemis.com>, Greg Lehey writes: > On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 23:57:25 -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 02:53:04PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> > >> If it shows valid partitions, you're using a Microsoft partition table. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Greg, can you read English?? Can you comprehend it?? Are you bind and in > > a write-only mode?? > > For the last time IT IS NOT A MICROSOFT PARTITION TABLE but a PC BIOS > > PARTITION TABLE AND DICTATED BY THE INTEL x86 PLATFORM. THEY ARE ALSO > > REQUIRED BY THE IA-64 PLATFORM. > > > > Why do you *insist* on calling it a "Microsoft partition table"?? > > Hmm. I was going to say "Because it was introduced with Microsoft > 2.0", but I'm no longer so sure. Reading the MS-DOS 2.11 source code, > it seems that they didn't have a partition table at the time. Can > anybody remember when it was introduced? IBM introduced it in the PC-XT. PC-DOS (not the same as MS-DOS) 2.0 wast the operating system shipped with the PC-XT. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 5:13: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from maile.telia.com (maile.telia.com [194.22.190.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7762537B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:13:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from svenskabutiker.se (t1o79p112.telia.com [62.20.200.112]) by maile.telia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17209; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:12:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3A1922AE.906CCCA6@svenskabutiker.se> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:10:06 +0100 From: Martin Nilsson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: roelof@eboa.com Subject: Re: Vinum versus abit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > But then we recently saw this discussion regarding IDE RAID's go > by as well that I saw some adds for e.g. abit's KT7-RAID. Hi, I have just installed 4.2-RC2 on a Abit BX133-RAID with two IBM 20GB drives in a mirror. > So now I'm wondering. Given that I care about 1. security without > backups and 2. speed what can I expect from such a board (or card). > I can imagine it would be a tad more efficient than a software only > solution and maybe faster as well. But... The speed should be the same or lower as it is a software only solution. The RAID part is that the motherboard BIOS knows about it and can boot from the array. > Does it come with FreeBSD support so that when a disk goes (hopefully > only one at a time :) I can resync the new disk without further ado? I tried to remove one IDE cable from my motherboard and then starting the computer. Result: THE HPT370 BIOS HUNG, when detecting drives and the machine never even tried to boot. Nice! Vinum would do way much better than that! As usual Taiwanese hardware proves itself as cheap junk that never fails to disappoint the advanced user. > For that, for me, is crucial above speed. Those d*d things break > down on the most awkward times. Usually when there are all sorts > of deadlines going on. So I need an easy to fix system. Use Vinum, then you know how it works or buy a real card, I have heard that the 3ware ones are good and not that expensive for a two disk solution. /Martin -- _____________________________________________________________________ | o | +---------------------------+ +---------------------------+ | o | | | | Martin Nilsson M.Sc. CS&E | | Internet & Intranet | | | | o | | Svenska Butiker AB,SWEDEN | | Applications & shopping. | | o | | | | martin@svenskabutiker.se | | UNIX, TCP/IP, Perl, C/C++ | | | | o | | Phone: +46-46-304130 | | SQL dev. & consulting | | o | | | +---------------------------+ +---------------------------+ | | | o | You know the old saying - Any technology sufficiently | o | | | advanced is indistinguishable from a Perl script | | | o | - The Camel book p.301 | o | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 5:16:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.roe35.lth2.k12.il.us (unknown [209.175.240.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F4937B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:16:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from dougs_laptop (dougs_laptop [209.175.240.20]) by mail.roe35.lth2.k12.il.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07572; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:18:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dallen@roe35.lth2.k12.il.us) Message-ID: <200011200723410333.000B7EBF@mail.roe35.lth2.k12.il.us> In-Reply-To: <200011182309.eAIN91857198@cwsys.cwsent.com> References: <200011182309.eAIN91857198@cwsys.cwsent.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.00.01.02 (1) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:23:41 -0600 From: "Douglas G. Allen" To: "Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group" Cc: "stable mailing list" Subject: Re: how to get sendmail to handle hyphenated names Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Cy, >> How do I get sendmail v.8.9.3 to accept names of the type first_name or= my.na >> me? I think I just need to adjust a rule in sendmail.cf, but am not= certain >> which rule or how specifically to adjust it. Can someone point me in= the cor >> rect direction ?? > >Userdb. Take a look at pages 642-645 of the Sendmail book 2E. Thanks. I thought I'd seen someone post a way to change a rule a few weeks= back, but I guess I was mistaken. Doug Allen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 5:33:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444C837B479; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:33:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id FAA13867; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:33:13 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda13865; Mon Nov 20 05:33:10 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAKDX4W12187; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:33:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdY12185; Mon Nov 20 05:32:33 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAKDWTB68389; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:32:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011201332.eAKDWTB68389@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdZ68385; Mon Nov 20 05:31:56 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: Warner Losh , "David O'Brien" Cc: Zero Sum , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Removal of Disklabel (was: Re: Dangerously Dedicated) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:55:51 MST." <200011200855.BAA20585@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:31:56 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200011200855.BAA20585@harmony.village.org>, Warner Losh writes: > In message <00112018421905.61849@shalimar.net.au> Zero Sum writes: > : Does this allow multiple partitions on a zip? > > Yes, but fdisk is awkward to use for editing. How about fdisk -e in similar vein as disklabel -e? As the PC architecture requires, just use an fdisk partition rather than a disklabel slice (slices are what UNIX vendors call them). For that matter I'd be happy if we removed disklabel from the picture entirely. I think that should be our goal. The architecture requires an fdisk label and disklabel is redundant. It seems like a no-brainer to me, just remove support for disklabel entirely. Simple and end of argument. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 5:40:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-178-138.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.178.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B0837B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:40:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAKDl7F12951; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:47:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011201347.eAKDl7F12951@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel (was: Re: Dangerously Dedicated) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:31:56 PST." <200011201332.eAKDWTB68389@cwsys.cwsent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:47:07 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > As the PC architecture requires, just use an fdisk partition rather > than a disklabel slice (slices are what UNIX vendors call them). For > that matter I'd be happy if we removed disklabel from the picture > entirely. I think that should be our goal. The architecture requires > an fdisk label and disklabel is redundant. It seems like a no-brainer > to me, just remove support for disklabel entirely. Simple and end of > argument. This is painful for lots of other reasons, and the counter-argument is that this is change for change's sake rather than change to a useful end. We also need a native disk divvying method for platforms that don't have their own (eg. Alpha). The BSD disklabel serves this purpose well. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 5:44:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cgi.sstar.com (cgi.sstar.com [209.205.176.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E456A37B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:44:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluto.jimking.net (root@bluto.jimking.net [216.54.255.8]) by cgi.sstar.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAKDifs08929 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:44:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jim@jimking.net) Received: from marble (marble.lgc.com [134.132.228.4]) by bluto.jimking.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eAKDiew14622; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:44:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jim@jimking.net) Message-ID: <003b01c052f8$086c3490$04e48486@marble> From: "Jim King" To: "Greg Lehey" , References: <200011200050.RAA16476@harmony.village.org> <20001120112719.U58333@echunga.lemis.com> <20001119235758.B69566@dragon.nuxi.com> <200011200050.RAA16476@harmony.village.org> <3A1897EB.39DAE37B@urx.com> <0aef01c052a2$34fc3f60$931576d8@inethouston.net> <20001120145304.F58333@echunga.lemis.com> <20001119235725.A69566@dragon.nuxi.com> <20001120192044.Q58333@echunga.lemis.com> Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:44:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 23:57:25 -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 02:53:04PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> > >> If it shows valid partitions, you're using a Microsoft partition table. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Greg, can you read English?? Can you comprehend it?? Are you bind and in > > a write-only mode?? > > For the last time IT IS NOT A MICROSOFT PARTITION TABLE but a PC BIOS > > PARTITION TABLE AND DICTATED BY THE INTEL x86 PLATFORM. THEY ARE ALSO > > REQUIRED BY THE IA-64 PLATFORM. > > > > Why do you *insist* on calling it a "Microsoft partition table"?? > > Hmm. I was going to say "Because it was introduced with Microsoft > 2.0", but I'm no longer so sure. Reading the MS-DOS 2.11 source code, > it seems that they didn't have a partition table at the time. Can > anybody remember when it was introduced? It was introduced with the IBM PC/XT, circa 1982. This would have coincided with MS-DOS 2.0. You didn't find any mention of partition tables in the MS-DOS 2.11 source because the only thing in DOS that deals with partition tables is the fdisk utility. Disk I/O, formatting, booting, etc. is done through the BIOS - the BIOS is where the important partition table code is located. If you want to be specific I guess you could call it an "IBM PC/XT partition table". Other stuff besides Microsoft OS's use the partition table. Just to name a few: BeOS, Linux, QNX, Pick, System Commander. Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 5:49:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail008.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail008.syd.optusnet.com.au [203.2.75.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D99E37B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:49:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from dingoblue.dingoblue.net.au (towax1-063.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.182.63]) by mail008.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAKDmoL13686 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:48:51 +1100 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20001120234833.00a776e0@mail.dingoblue.net.au> X-Sender: carlhako@mail.dingoblue.net.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:48:46 +1000 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org From: Carl Hakanson Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 5:51:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3685037B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:51:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id FAA13926; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:50:34 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda13924; Mon Nov 20 05:50:23 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAKDoIM12299; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:50:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdT12288; Mon Nov 20 05:49:34 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAKDnUR68625; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:49:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011201349.eAKDnUR68625@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdm68620; Mon Nov 20 05:48:57 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: Matt Dillon Cc: Warner Losh , James , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd /usr/ports; make clean In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:39:13 PST." <200011192239.eAJMdDa90818@earth.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:48:57 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200011192239.eAJMdDa90818@earth.backplane.com>, Matt Dillon writes: > > :In message <20001118231633.A85206@evilcode.com> James writes: > :: If I understand it correctly, there is a limit to the maximum number > :: of command line arguments that a program can have. > : > :Yes, but unless you've built all the ports, you won't even come close > :to hitting that limit. There are 4200 ports, which is below the > :limit as far as counts go (which is 8192, iirc). You might hit the > :64k total arg length limit. > : > :When I have a boatload of ports to delete, I use something like: > : find /usr/ports -name work -type d -prune | xargs rm -rf > :so that I don't exec too many times, but yet I don't overflow the > :argument size limits. > : > :Warner > > Since I export /usr/ports read-only, I never put my work directories > in the ports hierarchy itself. I set /etc/make.conf to: > > WRKDIRPREFIX= /var/tmp > > Or something similar, then simply 'rm -rf /var/tmp/usr' when it gets > full or I want to clean it out. (I have a big /var/tmp to accomodate it, > but there is nothing preventing you from creating a directory in /usr > to hold the workdirs either). This is an excellent idea. Could we make this the default? Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 6:11:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9C637B4CF; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 06:11:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id GAA13980; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 06:11:34 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda13978; Mon Nov 20 06:11:31 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAKEBP412379; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 06:11:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdX12377; Mon Nov 20 06:10:31 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAKEAUQ68747; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 06:10:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011201410.eAKEAUQ68747@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdZ68727; Mon Nov 20 06:09:36 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: Mike Smith Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel (was: Re: Dangerously Dedicated) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:47:07 PST." <200011201347.eAKDl7F12951@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 06:09:35 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200011201347.eAKDl7F12951@mass.osd.bsdi.com>, Mike Smith writes: > > As the PC architecture requires, just use an fdisk partition rather > > than a disklabel slice (slices are what UNIX vendors call them). For > > that matter I'd be happy if we removed disklabel from the picture > > entirely. I think that should be our goal. The architecture requires > > an fdisk label and disklabel is redundant. It seems like a no-brainer > > to me, just remove support for disklabel entirely. Simple and end of > > argument. > > This is painful for lots of other reasons, and the counter-argument is > that this is change for change's sake rather than change to a useful end. Not necessarily. Many people complain about the redundancy of partitions and slices. Let's remove one level as the suggest. As the PC architecture uses fdisk partitions, let's use that. No more arguments. > > We also need a native disk divvying method for platforms that don't have > their own (eg. Alpha). The BSD disklabel serves this purpose well. I can see other arguments for and against this, including using fdisk-only on other architectures too. I considered one argument for and two against my suggestion so status quo it is. If I don't like the decision, can I vote again? :) Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 6:13:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.nxe.de (mail.nxe.de [212.42.225.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E6F37B4C5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 06:13:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.nxe.de (8.11.1/nora-20001113) for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org (envelope-from nora) id eAKECxx24521; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:12:59 +0100 (CET) Apparently-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:12:59 +0100 From: Nora Etukudo To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: WRKDIRPREFIX= (was: cd /usr/ports; make clean) Message-ID: <20001120151259.A23459@mail.nxe.de> References: <200011192239.eAJMdDa90818@earth.backplane.com> <200011201349.eAKDnUR68625@cwsys.cwsent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200011201349.eAKDnUR68625@cwsys.cwsent.com>; from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 05:48:57AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 05:48:57AM -0800, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > This is an excellent idea. Could we make this the default? Me too! In the last years (exactly since 1994, where I converted from UNIX System V to FreeBSD 1.1.5.1), I asked myself why isen't set 'WRKDIRPREFIX=' to a tmp-directory by default? Liebe Grüße, Nora. -- nora@sappho-net.de http://www.sappho-net.de/ Lesbian Computer Networks, Finland http://www.sappho.net/ Web for Women (von Frauen, für Frauen) http://www.w4w.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 6:29:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20A1537B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 06:29:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAKERL757456; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:27:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Message-Id: <200011201427.eAKERL757456@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Francisco Reyes" Cc: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" X-Image-URL: http://www.transsys.com/louie/images/louie-mail.jpg From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: New US CVSup mirrors References: <200011201123.GAA95856@sanson.reyes.somos.net> In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 06:27:16 EST." <200011201123.GAA95856@sanson.reyes.somos.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:27:21 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The only time that you tend to see really busy servers is after a major "release" event when every file is tagged, or some other infrequent event. It's unlikely that other servers are going to be significantly less loaded than the one you decided to use in the first place. This is an interesting academic discussion, but given how well the system of CVSUP mirrors work, why fix something that's not broken? You really don't want to have more complexity in these large distributed systems than is necessary. So, pick a "close" mirror (and note that in the US, 3 new ones were just added that are likely very underutilized) and move on to the next problem. louie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 6:33:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B285237B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 06:33:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02124; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:33:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:33:37 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: Nora Etukudo Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WRKDIRPREFIX= (was: cd /usr/ports; make clean) Message-ID: <20001120093337.A2097@blackhelicopters.org> References: <200011192239.eAJMdDa90818@earth.backplane.com> <200011201349.eAKDnUR68625@cwsys.cwsent.com> <20001120151259.A23459@mail.nxe.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20001120151259.A23459@mail.nxe.de>; from nora@sappho-net.de on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 03:12:59PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You would surprise a *lot* of people doing this. I, for one, keep my work directories around for quite a while so I can check sources. A temp directory isn't really appropriate for that. It's easy enough to set yourself, though. On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 03:12:59PM +0100, Nora Etukudo wrote: > On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 05:48:57AM -0800, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > > > This is an excellent idea. Could we make this the default? > > Me too! > > In the last years (exactly since 1994, where I converted from > UNIX System V to FreeBSD 1.1.5.1), I asked myself why isen't set > 'WRKDIRPREFIX=' to a tmp-directory by default? > > Liebe Grüße, Nora. > -- > nora@sappho-net.de http://www.sappho-net.de/ > Lesbian Computer Networks, Finland http://www.sappho.net/ > Web for Women (von Frauen, für Frauen) http://www.w4w.net/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 6:51: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4300137B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 06:50:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id PAA05173; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:50:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13xsHV-0006SY-00 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:50:53 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:50:53 +0100 From: Szilveszter Adam To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WRKDIRPREFIX= (was: cd /usr/ports; make clean) Message-ID: <20001120155053.D16019@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: Szilveszter Adam , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200011192239.eAJMdDa90818@earth.backplane.com> <200011201349.eAKDnUR68625@cwsys.cwsent.com> <20001120151259.A23459@mail.nxe.de> <20001120093337.A2097@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001120093337.A2097@blackhelicopters.org>; from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 09:33:37AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 09:33:37AM -0500, Michael Lucas wrote: > You would surprise a *lot* of people doing this. I, for one, keep my > work directories around for quite a while so I can check sources. A > temp directory isn't really appropriate for that. > > It's easy enough to set yourself, though. I totally agree. I, for one, like the setting as it is, because if a port compile fails (which happens more and more often with -CURRENT) it is easier to mess around in only one directory structure. Also, I do not like having large /var partitions (I always put /var on a separate partition) just for this... I currently have 100megs, which should be enough otherwise. (this box is not a server.) I would even risk suggesting that if a centralized distribution system is your concern on your site, then why not do the compiles on the central machine too? Why recompile the same stuff on each and every machine? Just do the package building and install them with pkg_add from remote. -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 7: 2:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from KIWI-Computer.com (kiwi-computer.com [63.224.10.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1263937B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:02:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by KIWI-Computer.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA44992; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:58:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: FreeBSD Message-Id: <200011201458.IAA44992@KIWI-Computer.com> Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel In-Reply-To: <200011201332.eAKDWTB68389@cwsys.cwsent.com> from Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group at "Nov 20, 2000 05:31:56 am" To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:58:50 -0600 (CST) Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Yes, but fdisk is awkward to use for editing. > > How about fdisk -e in similar vein as disklabel -e? Good idea. This has been on my own personal project list for some time... > As the PC architecture requires, just use an fdisk partition rather > than a disklabel slice (slices are what UNIX vendors call them). For > that matter I'd be happy if we removed disklabel from the picture > entirely. I think that should be our goal. The architecture requires > an fdisk label and disklabel is redundant. It seems like a no-brainer > to me, just remove support for disklabel entirely. Simple and end of > argument. The problem with the fdisk slices is that there is only room for 4 ... disklabel gives us 8, no wait.. 6 if you have a swap and 5 if you don't. I've never been a fan of this. May I make a recommendation (flame away, boys): redo disklabel while we're at it. it seems counter-intuitive to me, as well as wasteful, to make partition "c" the whole disk and skip "d" altogether. IMHO, "da0s1" should refer to the whole disk, "da0s1a" should be the first physical partition, "da0s1b" the second partition, etc. down to "h". This gives us 8 partitions of any type: swap or FS. This is not ambiguous, the "swapon" would detect in the label p_fstype and if it were not equal to FS_SWAP it wouldn't try to swap-mount it. Same goes for any FS mount, if p_fstype != FS_BSDFFS or whatnot, it wouldn't allow mounting of that FS. I know this has been discussed and back in 2.2.5 IIRC the partitions/slices were renamed from da0a to da0s1a. But it seems pointless and stupid to keep propagating bad and very confusing methodologies just for historical purposes. Keep it simple stupid and make it make sense, and yes I've wanted to use past "h" before... One more gripe: why was s1 chosen to be the first logical slice and not s0? Did we computer scientists start counting with 1 by accident? Should I present these suggestions to -current or will I get flamed there too? =) No seriously, I think we should fix this (IMO) "broken" issue soon. Those who have current systems won't have to rebuild their systems or anything, just the sysinstaller should allocate logical partition numbers in physical order, and build the fstab in such a way. That shouldn't break current usage, just make old-timers think a little. ;) --Rick C. Petty, aka Snoopy rick@kiwi-computer.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 7:36: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from siri.nordier.com (c2-dbn-84.dial-up.net [196.34.155.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A87F537B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:35:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by siri.nordier.com (8.9.3/8.6.12) id RAA25621 for stable@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:37:40 +0200 (SAST) From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <200011201537.RAA25621@siri.nordier.com> Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) To: stable@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:37:39 +0200 (SAST) Reply-To: rnordier@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <20001120192044.Q58333@echunga.lemis.com> from "Greg Lehey" at Nov 20, 2000 07:20:44 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > > Why do you *insist* on calling it a "Microsoft partition table"?? > > Hmm. I was going to say "Because it was introduced with Microsoft > 2.0", but I'm no longer so sure. Reading the MS-DOS 2.11 source code, > it seems that they didn't have a partition table at the time. Of course they had a partition table at the time, and of course MS-DOS 2.11 used it: [io.sys] 1431 8d9fbe01 lea bx,[bx+0x1be] 1435 8b4740 mov ax,[bx+0x40] 1438 3d55aa cmp ax,0xaa55 143b 7539 jnz 0x1476 143d b90400 mov cx,0x4 1440 807f0401 cmp byte [bx+0x4],0x1 1444 7407 jz 0x144d 1446 83c310 add bx,byte +0x10 1449 e2f5 loop 0x1440 144b eb29 jmp short 0x1476 > Can anybody remember when it was introduced? In March 1983, with the release of PC-DOS 2.0. > Anyway, it's needed for "modern" Microsoft offerings, and not really > for much else. It's also not a UNIX partition table. Actually, the immediate reason for its introduction was in order to support dual-booting XENIX (Early SCO/Microsoft UNIX) on PCs. This is why the partition type numbering starts 1 DOS 2 XENIX 3 XENIX -- Robert Nordier rnordier@nordier.com rnordier@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 7:37:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from air.linkclub.or.jp (air.linkclub.or.jp [210.155.117.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8BE337B4C5; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:37:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.jp.FreeBSD.org (kumagaya3-83.ppp-1.dion.ne.jp [210.198.152.83]) by air.linkclub.or.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id AAA29731; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:37:24 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:36:56 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200011201536.AAA34840.toshi@jp.FreeBSD.org> From: Toshihiko ARAI To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 4.2R CDROM from Walnut Creek CDROM? X-Mailer: VM 5.96 (beta) / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) based on 19.34.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, In src/release/texts/*/RELNOTES.TXT for 4.2R, HEAD and 4-stable branches: |FreeBSD 4.x-RELEASE and 3.x-RELEASE CDs may be ordered on CDROM from: | | Walnut Creek CDROM | 4041 Pike Lane, Suite D | Concord CA 94520 | 1-800-786-9907, +1-925-674-0783, +1-925-674-0821 (FAX) | |Or via the Internet from orders@cdrom.com or http://www.cdrom.com. |Their current catalog can be obtained via ftp from: | | ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/cdrom/catalog Correct needless? -- Toshihiko ARAI / toshi@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 7:41:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web4502.mail.yahoo.com (web4502.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3264837B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:41:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20001120154108.5591.qmail@web4502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.251.173.34] by web4502.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:41:08 PST Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:41:08 -0800 (PST) From: Ben Hacker Jr Subject: Help with Sound. FBSDv4.2 To: list DC-FBSD , questions FBSD , Stable FBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Any help will be greatly appreciated! (Note: I am not a reader on FreeBSD Questions list) I added lines for Sound to my Kernel and recompiled. Using a text based program to test playing a wav file. It says the device is not available or it cannot find the device. I assume it is talking about the /dev/[sound device] If this configuration looks good and you suspect the software, please suggest a better text based software I can use to test my sound. I wanted to use a CD player but they seem to only want SCSI CD Devices. Mine is IDE. Below you will find my output from: uname -a dmesg cat /dev/sndstat pkg_info =====$uname -a FreeBSD localhost 4.2-BETA FreeBSD 4.2-BETA #0: Mon Nov 20 01:19:27 EST 2000 strben@localhost:/usr/src/sys/compile/RODNEY-01 i386 =====$dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.2-BETA #0: Mon Nov 20 01:19:27 EST 2000 strben@localhost:/usr/src/sys/compile/RODNEY-01 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium/P54C (132.63-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping = 12 Features=0x1bf real memory = 33554432 (32768K bytes) config> di pcic0 No such device: pcic0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di sn0 No such device: sn0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di lnc0 No such device: lnc0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di le0 No such device: le0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di ie0 No such device: ie0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di fe0 No such device: fe0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di ed0 No such device: ed0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di cs0 No such device: cs0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di bt0 No such device: bt0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di aic0 No such device: aic0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di aha0 No such device: aha0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di adv0 No such device: adv0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> q avail memory = 29138944 (28456K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc03a8000. Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc03a809c. Intel Pentium detected, installing workaround for F00F bug md0: Malloc disk npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 isab0: at device 1.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pci0: at 18.0 irq 10 atapci0: port 0x3000-0x300f at device 20.0 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 sio1: type 16550A ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 plip0: on ppbus0 sbc0: at port 0x220-0x22f irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 on isa0 pcm1: on sbc0 pca0 at port 0x40 on isa0 ad0: 2067MB [4200/16/63] at ata0-master PIO4 ad1: 6194MB [13424/15/63] at ata0-slave WDMA2 acd0: CDROM at ata1-slave using PIO3 Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a =====$cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Nov 20 2000 01:13:44 Installed devices: pcm1: at io 0x220 irq 5 drq 1:5 (1p/1r channels duplex) =====$pkg_info bzip2-1.0.1 A block-sorting file compressor cvsup-bin-16.1 A general network file distribution system optimized for CVS gettext-0.10.35 GNU gettext package gmake-3.79.1 GNU version of 'make' utility libtool-1.3.4 Generic shared library support script linux_base-6.1 The base set of packages needed in Linux mode lynx-ssl-2.8.3.1 A non-graphical, text-based ssl-enabled World-Wide Web clien mtools-3.9.6 A collection of tools for manipulating MSDOS files wavplay-1.4 A wav player and recorder =====$That's all folks... Thanks!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 7:45:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from yertle.kciLink.com (yertle.kciLink.com [208.184.13.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8B937B4D7 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:45:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from onceler.kciLink.com (onceler.kciLink.com [208.184.13.196]) by yertle.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12642E443; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:45:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from khera@localhost) by onceler.kciLink.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAKFjcT30891; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:45:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from khera) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14873.18210.555605.876050@onceler.kciLink.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:45:38 -0500 To: Szilveszter Adam Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Auto increment on kernel version In-Reply-To: <20001118101228.A19364@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> References: <00111820013502.09278@shalimar.net.au> <20001118101228.A19364@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> X-Mailer: VM 6.83 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "SA" == Szilveszter Adam writes: SA> It is increased if you reuse the same kernel config file for kernel SA> building. So, if you edit the file each time or do some other thing to it SA> that causes the mtime (modification time) or size or whatever to change, it No, it is incremented every time you build your kernel without cleaning out the destination directory. make buildkernel clears out the destination directory so it always reads kernel #0. If you use the traditional kernel build method, it will increase each time through. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera@kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 8: 6:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pcwin002.win.tue.nl (pcwin002.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F2037B65E for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:06:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by pcwin002.win.tue.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CE30A134A2; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:03:56 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:03:56 +0100 From: Stijn Hoop To: FreeBSD Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel Message-ID: <20001120170356.C74393@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> References: <200011201332.eAKDWTB68389@cwsys.cwsent.com> <200011201458.IAA44992@KIWI-Computer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011201458.IAA44992@KIWI-Computer.com>; from freebsd@kiwi-computer.com on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:58:50AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:58:50AM -0600, FreeBSD wrote: > The problem with the fdisk slices is that there is only room for 4 ... > disklabel gives us 8, no wait.. 6 if you have a swap and 5 if you don't. > > I've never been a fan of this. May I make a recommendation (flame away, > boys): redo disklabel while we're at it. it seems counter-intuitive to > me, as well as wasteful, to make partition "c" the whole disk and skip "d" > altogether. IMHO, "da0s1" should refer to the whole disk, "da0s1a" should > be the first physical partition, "da0s1b" the second partition, etc. down > to "h". This gives us 8 partitions of any type: swap or FS. Hear, hear! I would really like to see this. Installing FreeBSD is that much more confusing due to the two-layered hierarchy... And even more so due to the conventions with the partitions (c, d, etc). If we cannot do away with the two layers, at least make the second layer more intuitive. What argument, other than 'it's been this way for ages' is there for the confusing a-h convention? And what arguments are there for disklabel on the i386 anyway? I'd like to see FreeBSD do the same as Linux on the i386 - use only the partition table, along with extended partitions. Do away with disklabel *on that platform*. Yes of course the alpha would differ from i386 in disk geometry then. But since the differences in setting up the alpha/i386 are already there, why the pretense in keeping them 'the same'? One of the most FAQs I've heard from linux'ees that tried FreeBSD is 'why can't I install to an extended partition?' Fact is when I hear that question, I also wonder myself... Please note that I do not consider myself to be more than just a face in the crowd so don't take my opinions as informed ones. I'm also not looking to start a major flame war. I just want to know why it's been done the way it is. --Stijn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 8:12:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from yertle.kciLink.com (yertle.kciLink.com [208.184.13.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1E137B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:12:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from onceler.kciLink.com (onceler.kciLink.com [208.184.13.196]) by yertle.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3218F2E443 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from khera@localhost) by onceler.kciLink.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAKGCcP71323; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:12:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from khera) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14873.19830.64277.304397@onceler.kciLink.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:12:38 -0500 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.2-RC1 not (easily) bootable In-Reply-To: <20001119083822.A39683@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <3A17CDC1.7BFCA39B@eboa.com> <20001119083822.A39683@dragon.nuxi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.83 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "DO" == David O'Brien writes: DO> Why did you choose a "dangerously dedicated" install? "dangerously DO> dedicated" might go away in the future (as it doesn't leave space enough DO> space for boot0). Unless the normal slice configuration won't work for DO> you, there really is no good reason to use "dangerously dedicated". I have two machines that wouldn't boot unless I installed them in DD mode. Am I to infer that at some date they will no longer run FreeBSD because DD mode goes away? -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera@kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 8:17:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pan.ch.intel.com (pan.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1C337B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:17:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by pan.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.32 2000/10/12 22:57:04 dmccart Exp $) with ESMTP id JAA15817 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:17:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.10 2000/02/10 21:38:16 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id JAA23757 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:17:01 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-To: X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id LAA14272; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:17:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14873.20093.436668.316777@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:17:01 -0700 (MST) To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: breakage with two ed network devices - issue closed In-Reply-To: <200010242036.OAA18814@harmony.village.org> References: <14837.61891.314385.379926@hip186.ch.intel.com> <14837.61010.186980.508213@hip186.ch.intel.com> <14837.44459.876951.900524@hip186.ch.intel.com> <200010241928.NAA18251@harmony.village.org> <200010242024.OAA18667@harmony.village.org> <200010242036.OAA18814@harmony.village.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.6.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ On Tuesday, October 24, Warner Losh wrote: ] > > It should be marked as sharable... If it isn't, then the ata driver > is doing the wrong thing. Or more likely, the ata driver is fine, but > the pci bridge code isn't allowing the interrupts to be shared. I > think that's the right answer. > > Of course, the ISA bus code, it could be argued, should disallow > sharing for hardware reasons. So I'm unsure. > To close out this issue finally (the issue of the ATA code 'hogging' IRQ 15 that my ed0 card needed even though nothing was on the ata1 channel), it appears that recent commits to the ATA code have fixed the probing problem (4.2-BETA as of Saturday Nov. 18). Out of curiosity I compiled a kernel and booted verbose into single user mode to see if things had been fixed. Magically they were. I had changed nothing in the system (including leaving the second IDE channel "enabled" in the BIOS) and now the probe "fails" because nothing is hooked up to the channel, irq15 is no longer snagged and my ed0 interface works. So, this thread can come to a long-anticipated end. Thanks to sos@freebsd.org for fixing things (inadvertently or not :). Ironically I had already bought two PCI NICs to replace these aging NE2000 clones so I didn't really "need them" since the s/w is now Fixed(tm). But at least now I've got 100Mb NICs :) 4.2 looks solid.... -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 8:19:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from moriarity.grauel.com (moriarity.grauel.com [199.233.104.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C1637B479; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:19:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rjk@localhost) by moriarity.grauel.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAKGIjZ44908; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:18:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rjk) From: Richard J Kuhns MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14873.20197.276108.203733@moriarity.grauel.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:18:45 -0500 (EST) To: stable@freebsd.org Cc: wpaul@freebsd.org Subject: if_pcn.c v1.5.2.4 loses my ethernet card X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 11) "Carlsbad Caverns" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG `dmesg | grep pcn' shows nothing at all when I boot a kernel with v1.5.2.4. Booting (verbose) after reverting to v1.5.2.3 shows pcn0: port 0x10e0-0x10ff mem 0xfc018000-0xfc01801f irq 9 at device 11.0 on pci0 pcn0: Ethernet address: 00:90:f5:05:02:34 miibus0: on pcn0 ukphy0: on miibus0 ukphy0: OUI 0x00001a, model 0x0036, rev. 0 ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto bpf: pcn0 attached I'm sorry I couldn't try this any sooner, but Real Life got in the way again :(. Let me know if I can try anything... - Rich -- Richard Kuhns rjk@grauel.com PO Box 6249 Tel: (765)477-6000 \ 100 Sawmill Road x319 Lafayette, IN 47903 (800)489-4891 / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 8:40:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from netsrvr.ami.com.au (netsrvr.ami.com.au [203.55.31.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ADBA37B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:40:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from emu.os2.ami.com.au (IDENT:root@c0s09.ami.com.au [203.55.31.74]) by netsrvr.ami.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17753 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:39:57 +0800 Received: from possum.os2.ami.com.au (IDENT:root@possum.os2.ami.com.au [192.168.1.6]) by emu.os2.ami.com.au (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eAKGdjZ18418 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:39:45 +0800 Received: from possum.os2.ami.com.au (summer@localhost) by possum.os2.ami.com.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAKA3RS01865 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:03:27 +0800 Message-Id: <200011201003.eAKA3RS01865@possum.os2.ami.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-Reply-To: Message from Greg Lehey of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:20:44 +1030." <20001120192044.Q58333@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:03:27 +0800 From: John Summerfield Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG grog@lemis.com said: > On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 23:57:25 -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 02:53:04PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >> >> If > it shows valid partitions, you're using a Microsoft partition table. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Greg, can you read English?? Can you comprehend it?? Are you bind > and in > a write-only mode?? > For the last time IT IS NOT A MICROSOFT PARTITION TABLE but a PC BIOS > PARTITION TABLE AND DICTATED BY THE INTEL x86 PLATFORM. THEY ARE ALSO > REQUIRED BY THE IA-64 PLATFORM. > > Why do you *insist* on calling it a "Microsoft partition table"?? > Hmm. I was going to say "Because it was introduced with Microsoft > 2.0", but I'm no longer so sure. Reading the MS-DOS 2.11 source code, > it seems that they didn't have a partition table at the time. Can > anybody remember when it was introduced? Nothing to do with the PC BIOS: 1. The PC did not support fixed disks (introduced with the XT). The PC understood floppy disks and cassette tape. 2. The BIOS has enough intelligence to read the first sector from a disk and then jmp into it. This sector is called the Master Boot Record, and it contains the original partition table and code with enough intelligence to find the active partition, read a teensy bit of it (using BIOS calls) and pass control to the code read in this manner. If you want a dedicated BSD disk, you replace this code with equivalent code to find where BSD lives. Or Solaris. In the original implementation of these partitions, one could have no more than four. Of these, only one could be active and so PCDOS/MSDOS didn't need code to navigate much partition table. As to who concocted it, it was Microsoft and/or IBM. What uses this format natively? All the DOS family down to Windows 2000|ME and OS/2. And Linux. And the CP/M family. There is some dissension wrt extended partitions - MS keeps on introducing new codes for partition types. Here are the partition types Linux fdisk recognises: [root@emu /root]# fdisk Using /dev/hda as default device! Command (m for help): l 0 Empty c Win95 FAT32 (LB 64 Novell Netware a6 OpenBSD 1 DOS 12-bit FAT e Win95 FAT16 (LB 65 Novell Netware a7 NEXTSTEP 2 XENIX root f Win95 Extended 75 PC/IX b7 BSDI fs 3 XENIX usr 11 Hidden DOS FAT1 80 Old MINIX b8 BSDI swap 4 DOS 16-bit <32M 14 Hidden DOS FAT1 81 Linux/MINIX c7 Syrinx 5 Extended 16 Hidden DOS FAT1 82 Linux swap db CP/M 6 DOS 16-bit >=32 17 Hidden OS/2 HPF 83 Linux native e1 DOS access 7 OS/2 HPFS 40 Venix 80286 85 Linux extended e3 DOS R/O 8 AIX 41 PPC PReP Boot 93 Amoeba eb BeOS fs 9 AIX bootable 51 Novell? 94 Amoeba BBT f2 DOS secondary a OS/2 Boot Manag 52 Microport a5 BSD/386 ff BBT b Win95 FAT32 63 GNU HURD Command (m for help): How many are used natively, and how many under sufferance, I do not know. Note: this table is not completely accurate: the OS/2 definition of 0x07 is "installable filesystem." It's usually HPFS, but need not be. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 8:40:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gw-nl1.origin-it.com (gw-nl1.origin-it.com [193.79.128.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D134E37B4C5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:40:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.de.origin-it.com (localhost.origin-it.com [127.0.0.1]) by gw-nl1.origin-it.com with ESMTP id RAA15296; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:40:34 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from Helge.Oldach@de.origin-it.com) Received: from smtprelay-de1.origin-it.com(172.16.188.53) by gw-nl1.origin-it.com via mwrap (4.0a) id xma015293; Mon, 20 Nov 00 17:40:34 +0100 Received: from mailhub.de.origin-it.com (mailhub.de.origin-it.com [172.16.189.20]) by mail.de.origin-it.com (8.9.3/8.8.5-1.2.2m-19990317) with ESMTP id RAA26338; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:40:33 +0100 (MET) Received: from galaxy.de.cp.philips.com (galaxy.de.cp.philips.com [130.143.166.29]) by mailhub.de.origin-it.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/hmo23oct00) with ESMTP id eAKGeUY00686; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:40:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Helge.Oldach@de.origin-it.com) Received: (from hmo@localhost) by galaxy.de.cp.philips.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/hmo14aug98) id RAA15704; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:40:29 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200011201640.RAA15704@galaxy.de.cp.philips.com> Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-Reply-To: <200011200019.RAA16004@harmony.village.org> from Warner Losh at "Nov 19, 2000 5:19:43 pm" To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:40:28 +0100 (MET) Cc: grog@lemis.com, samz@oz.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Helge Oldach X-Address: Atos Origin, Billstrasse 80, D-20539 Hamburg, Germany X-Phone: +49 40 7886 464, Fax: +49 40 7886 235, Mobile: +49 172 4515513 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Warner Losh: >In message <20001120095100.G58333@echunga.lemis.com> Greg Lehey writes: > As far as I know, there has been no decision to remove dedicated mode. >: I for one would strongly oppose it. Arguments about bootstraps and >: BIOS are bogus: on a dedicated machine, you only need a bootstrap on >: the boot disk, so any additional disks can always be dedicated. But >: to answer your question: if you have to change from dedicated to a >: Microsoft compatible layout, yes, you'll have to rebuild all your file >: systems. > >No it isn't bogus. You can't boot off a DD disk on some machines >because the MBR is too bogus for the BIOS to cope with. > >The problem with DD is that we put a bogus MBR onto the disk. All >that is necessary to fix it would be to put a non-bgous MBR onto the >disk. If I'm not mistaken that's a contradiction. PC BIOS architecture demands that the first cylinder is not to be used. But obviously DD mode will use it. So what do you put in a non-bogus partition table? If it says the first slice starts at cylinder 0 you still have a broken MBR. If it says it starts at cylinder 1 you are stuck with inconsistency, as cylinder 0 is in fact in use. Seems to me that DD's bogus MBR can't be properly and consistently fixed. Helge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 8:45:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awww.jeah.net (awww.jeah.net [216.111.239.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6222137B4CF for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:45:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by awww.jeah.net (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAKGhjr65679; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:43:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:43:44 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Byrnes To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: libperl errors, getting annoying. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG So I did cd /usr ; rm -rf obj sup src Re-cvsup'd..figure 'hey, I'll start all over' make buildworld cc -O -pipe -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5 -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c -o pp_sys.o /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c: In function `Perl_pp_readdir': /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3028: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3028: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3042: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/pp_sys.c:3042: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. awww# :( To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 8:48:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDFA37B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:48:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAKGlCx95949; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:47:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:47:12 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200011201647.eAKGlCx95949@earth.backplane.com> To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: Warner Losh , James , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd /usr/ports; make clean References: <200011201349.eAKDnUR68625@cwsys.cwsent.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :> WRKDIRPREFIX= /var/tmp :> :> Or something similar, then simply 'rm -rf /var/tmp/usr' when it gets :> full or I want to clean it out. (I have a big /var/tmp to accomodate it, :> but there is nothing preventing you from creating a directory in /usr :> to hold the workdirs either). : :This is an excellent idea. Could we make this the default? : :Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 :Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 The problem is that /tmp or /var/tmp typically isn't very large, so on most systems it would run out of space fairly quickly. I do think that putting distfiles outside of /usr/ports by default is a good idea, though. For example, /usr/ports.distfiles rather then /usr/ports/distfiles. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 8:48:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E2A37B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:48:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAKGlt195958; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:47:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:47:55 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200011201647.eAKGlt195958@earth.backplane.com> To: Michael Lucas Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cd /usr/ports; make clean References: <20001118231633.A85206@evilcode.com> <200011190635.eAJ6ZRS94516@grumpy.dyndns.org> <20001118230305.A83848@evilcode.com> <20001119151138.A7434@bsdvm.jtjang.idv.tw> <200011192202.eAJM2cG03593@billy-club.village.org> <200011192239.eAJMdDa90818@earth.backplane.com> <200011192308.eAJN8q714360@whizzo.transsys.com> <200011192324.eAJNO1891133@earth.backplane.com> <20001120074553.A1776@blackhelicopters.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :I just wrote two articles about the port system. : :(rummage, rummage, cut & paste) : :Probably the most useful option for maintainers of large FreeBSD :networks is MASTER_SITE_OVERRIDE. The network administrator can build :a central repository of important distfiles on a local server. The :site listed in MASTER_SITE_OVERRIDE is checked for distfiles before :any remote sites are contacted. This saves on exterior bandwidth and :makes fetching distfiles more reliable. : :==ml Can MASTER_SITE_OVERRIDE be a file path? Or does it have to be a site? -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 8:51:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94DBD37B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:51:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA14710; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:51:01 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda14708; Mon Nov 20 08:50:50 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAKGojx13132; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpda13114; Mon Nov 20 08:50:35 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAKGoYV69653; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:50:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011201650.eAKGoYV69653@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdY69637; Mon Nov 20 08:49:43 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: Stijn Hoop Cc: FreeBSD , Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:03:56 +0100." <20001120170356.C74393@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:49:43 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20001120170356.C74393@pcwin002.win.tue.nl>, Stijn Hoop writes: > On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:58:50AM -0600, FreeBSD wrote: > > The problem with the fdisk slices is that there is only room for 4 ... > > disklabel gives us 8, no wait.. 6 if you have a swap and 5 if you don't. > > > > I've never been a fan of this. May I make a recommendation (flame away, > > boys): redo disklabel while we're at it. it seems counter-intuitive to > > me, as well as wasteful, to make partition "c" the whole disk and skip "d" > > altogether. IMHO, "da0s1" should refer to the whole disk, "da0s1a" should > > be the first physical partition, "da0s1b" the second partition, etc. down > > to "h". This gives us 8 partitions of any type: swap or FS. > > Hear, hear! I would really like to see this. Installing FreeBSD is that > much more confusing due to the two-layered hierarchy... And even more so > due to the conventions with the partitions (c, d, etc). If we cannot do > away with the two layers, at least make the second layer more intuitive. > What argument, other than 'it's been this way for ages' is there for the > confusing a-h convention? And what arguments are there for disklabel > on the i386 anyway? > > I'd like to see FreeBSD do the same as Linux on the i386 - use only > the partition table, along with extended partitions. Do away with disklabel > *on that platform*. > > Yes of course the alpha would differ from i386 in disk geometry then. But > since the differences in setting up the alpha/i386 are already there, why > the pretense in keeping them 'the same'? > > One of the most FAQs I've heard from linux'ees that tried FreeBSD is > 'why can't I install to an extended partition?' Fact is when I hear that > question, I also wonder myself... Extended partitions are the subdivision of one of the four partitions in the fdisk table. Disklabel does that. We could rename disklabel slices to extended partitions. IMO for most people the fdisk and disklabel interfaces (commands) are redundant. All of this should be done through sysinstall. Just as SVR4 has sysadm, and other O/S's have condoned and supported by the vendor approaches to sysdmin, we should encourage the use of sysinstall for all sysadmin activities. Sure keep fdisk and disklabel around for those of us who like the bits-and-bytes. The short of it is that sysinstall should have one interface for configuring disks, not two as it currently does. That one interface should make the user think that we have a unified disk partitioning look-and-feel just like NT and Linux do. To hide the architecture even further, device names in /dev would be hidden by the use of symlinks or hard links. Those who want to reference ad0s1a can. The rest of us can use names like disk0a or hd0a ("a" specifies the first FreeBSD partition/slice found on the disk). The disk0a or hd0a names would be independent of the type of device driver being used SCSI, IDE, etc., it would just be a generic name. The current naming convention would become esoteric and could be used if needed. In a world where most people don't care about the architecture of an operating system, I think that this would put a friendlier face on FreeBSD. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 8:53: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6C537B4C5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:53:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA14720; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:53:01 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda14718; Mon Nov 20 08:52:52 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAKGqlh13157; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:52:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011201652.eAKGqlh13157@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> Received: from localhost.osg.gov.bc.ca(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "passer.osg.gov.bc.ca" via SMTP by localhost.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpdy13144; Mon Nov 20 08:52:02 2000 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE X-Mailer: nmh 1.0.4, Exmh 2.1.1 X-Sender: cschuber To: Matt Dillon Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , Warner Losh , James , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd /usr/ports; make clean In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:47:12 PST." <200011201647.eAKGlCx95949@earth.backplane.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:52:02 -0800 From: Cy Schubert Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200011201647.eAKGlCx95949@earth.backplane.com>, Matt Dillon writes: > :> WRKDIRPREFIX= /var/tmp > :> > :> Or something similar, then simply 'rm -rf /var/tmp/usr' when it gets > :> full or I want to clean it out. (I have a big /var/tmp to accomodate > it, > :> but there is nothing preventing you from creating a directory in /usr > :> to hold the workdirs either). > : > :This is an excellent idea. Could we make this the default? > > The problem is that /tmp or /var/tmp typically isn't very large, so > on most systems it would run out of space fairly quickly. I do think > that putting distfiles outside of /usr/ports by default is a good idea, > though. For example, /usr/ports.distfiles rather then > /usr/ports/distfiles. I already do that through the use of symlinks. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 8:58:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cs.utep.edu (mail.cs.utep.edu [129.108.5.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C6737B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:58:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from gecko (gecko [129.108.5.51]) by cs.utep.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eAKGur307007; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:56:53 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:56:51 -0700 (MST) From: X-Sender: janb@gecko To: FreeBSD Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel In-Reply-To: <200011201458.IAA44992@KIWI-Computer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I could not agree more. JAn > > I've never been a fan of this. May I make a recommendation (flame away, > boys): redo disklabel while we're at it. it seems counter-intuitive to > me, as well as wasteful, to make partition "c" the whole disk and skip "d" > altogether. IMHO, "da0s1" should refer to the whole disk, "da0s1a" should > be the first physical partition, "da0s1b" the second partition, etc. down > to "h". This gives us 8 partitions of any type: swap or FS. This is not > ambiguous, the "swapon" would detect in the label p_fstype and if it were > not equal to FS_SWAP it wouldn't try to swap-mount it. Same goes for any > FS mount, if p_fstype != FS_BSDFFS or whatnot, it wouldn't allow mounting > of that FS. > > I know this has been discussed and back in 2.2.5 IIRC the partitions/slices > were renamed from da0a to da0s1a. But it seems pointless and stupid to > keep propagating bad and very confusing methodologies just for historical > purposes. Keep it simple stupid and make it make sense, and yes I've > wanted to use past "h" before... > > One more gripe: why was s1 chosen to be the first logical slice and not > s0? Did we computer scientists start counting with 1 by accident? > > Should I present these suggestions to -current or will I get flamed there > too? =) No seriously, I think we should fix this (IMO) "broken" issue soon. > Those who have current systems won't have to rebuild their systems or > anything, just the sysinstaller should allocate logical partition numbers > in physical order, and build the fstab in such a way. That shouldn't break > current usage, just make old-timers think a little. ;) > > --Rick C. Petty, aka Snoopy rick@kiwi-computer.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 9: 6:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from quack.kfu.com (quack.kfu.com [205.178.90.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A9B237B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:06:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from morpheus.kfu.com (morpheus.kfu.com [205.178.90.230]) by quack.kfu.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAKH6io63718; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:06:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from quack.kfu.com by morpheus.kfu.com with ESMTP (8.11.0//ident-1.0) id eAKH6gE22476; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:06:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A195A22.C835C3DD@quack.kfu.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:06:42 -0800 From: Nick Sayer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jgarman@wedgie.org Cc: Jordan Hubbard , Marko Cuk , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE delayed until November 20th. References: <49687.974363227@winston.osd.bsdi.com> <20001119212157.A93256@got.wedgie.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jason Garman wrote: > > [...] > Could someone elaborate on the details here? Check the cvs logs for /src/sys/net/bridge.c: I noticed for a while that broadcast UDP packets were corrupted going through the bridge. Archie helped me figure out what was going wrong. Somewhere in the UDP code, the mbuf rules are not being respected (a packet being futzed with without calling m_pullup() first or some such). The workaround was to modify both the Luigi bridge and the ng_bridge node to use m_dup() instead of m_copypacket() for copying broadcasted packets. This is a performance hit, but it can't be helped until the root cause of the problem is found. I believe the fix went into -stable somewhere between 4.1.1-RELEASE and 4.2. The symptom is that TCP works just fine, but any service relying on broadcast UDP (such as netbios queries) fails. tcpdump on broadcast packets shows that UDP broadcasts are corrupted, but ARP broadcasts (for example) are fine. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 9: 9:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A0A37B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:09:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19928; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:08:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAKH8p804968; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:08:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:08:50 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Matt Dillon Cc: Michael Lucas , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cd /usr/ports; make clean Message-ID: <20001120090850.A4906@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@freebsd.org References: <20001118231633.A85206@evilcode.com> <200011190635.eAJ6ZRS94516@grumpy.dyndns.org> <20001118230305.A83848@evilcode.com> <20001119151138.A7434@bsdvm.jtjang.idv.tw> <200011192202.eAJM2cG03593@billy-club.village.org> <200011192239.eAJMdDa90818@earth.backplane.com> <200011192308.eAJN8q714360@whizzo.transsys.com> <200011192324.eAJNO1891133@earth.backplane.com> <20001120074553.A1776@blackhelicopters.org> <200011201647.eAKGlt195958@earth.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011201647.eAKGlt195958@earth.backplane.com>; from dillon@earth.backplane.com on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:47:55AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:47:55AM -0800, Matt Dillon wrote: > :Probably the most useful option for maintainers of large FreeBSD > :networks is MASTER_SITE_OVERRIDE. The network administrator can build > :a central repository of important distfiles on a local server. The > :site listed in MASTER_SITE_OVERRIDE is checked for distfiles before > :any remote sites are contacted. This saves on exterior bandwidth and > :makes fetching distfiles more reliable. > > Can MASTER_SITE_OVERRIDE be a file path? Or does it have to be > a site? This *REALLY* needs to be moved to ports@freebsd.org where everyone would get more expert advice on this topic (and where any changes to defaults need to be discussed before changing them). To answer the question -- a site. But realize that this is a valid site: file:/cdrom/ports/distfiles/${DIST_SUBDIR}/ Which is exactly how distfiles are fetched from CDROM before going out on the network. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 9: 9:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F6E37B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:09:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAKH9WQ25302; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:09:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA24067; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:09:32 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011201709.KAA24067@harmony.village.org> To: Helge Oldach Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Cc: grog@lemis.com, samz@oz.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:40:28 +0100." <200011201640.RAA15704@galaxy.de.cp.philips.com> References: <200011201640.RAA15704@galaxy.de.cp.philips.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:09:32 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200011201640.RAA15704@galaxy.de.cp.philips.com> Helge Oldach writes: : If I'm not mistaken that's a contradiction. PC BIOS architecture demands : that the first cylinder is not to be used. But obviously DD mode will : use it. So what do you put in a non-bogus partition table? If it says : the first slice starts at cylinder 0 you still have a broken MBR. If : it says it starts at cylinder 1 you are stuck with inconsistency, as : cylinder 0 is in fact in use. : : Seems to me that DD's bogus MBR can't be properly and consistently fixed. The first 8k of the disk is reserved, even in DD. That is to say that the ufs file system starts 8k from the start. boot1 will fit into the first sector. FreeBSD is careful to shoe horn things around the MBR part of the first sector. So you can put something into this MBR. In fact, you have to on some systems or bad things will happen. Right now the bogus MBR that we put on the DD disk might be able to be fixed. I'm not positive that it can be, but it might. I don't have the right kind of machine to do testing of my ideas. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 9:12:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA4637B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:12:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02901; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:12:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:12:45 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: Matt Dillon Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cd /usr/ports; make clean Message-ID: <20001120121245.A2778@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20001118231633.A85206@evilcode.com> <200011190635.eAJ6ZRS94516@grumpy.dyndns.org> <20001118230305.A83848@evilcode.com> <20001119151138.A7434@bsdvm.jtjang.idv.tw> <200011192202.eAJM2cG03593@billy-club.village.org> <200011192239.eAJMdDa90818@earth.backplane.com> <200011192308.eAJN8q714360@whizzo.transsys.com> <200011192324.eAJNO1891133@earth.backplane.com> <20001120074553.A1776@blackhelicopters.org> <200011201647.eAKGlt195958@earth.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200011201647.eAKGlt195958@earth.backplane.com>; from dillon@earth.backplane.com on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:47:55AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:47:55AM -0800, Matt Dillon wrote: > Can MASTER_SITE_OVERRIDE be a file path? Or does it have to be > a site? Like I have a clue. :) Let's find out: turtledawn~;mv /usr/ports/distfiles/qt-x11-2.2.1.tar.gz . turtledawn~;cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt22/ turtledawn/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt22;make MASTER_SITE_OVERRIDE=file:/home/mwlucas/ fetch GIF support is disabled in QT by default due to the restrictive license on LZW compression owned by Unisys. To build with GIF support, use make -DQT_GIF_AVAILABLE [other args] or make -DHAVE_UNISYS_LICENSE [other args] >> qt-x11-2.2.1.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/. >> Attempting to fetch from file:/home/mwlucas/. Receiving qt-x11-2.2.1.tar.gz (8567286 bytes): 100% 8567286 bytes transferred in 2.8 seconds (2.94 MBps) turtledawn/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt22; I'd say "yes." ==ml -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 9:23:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34BA137B479; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:23:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22501; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:23:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16596; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:23:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14873.24098.233002.62004@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:23:46 -0700 (MST) To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: Mike Smith , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel (was: Re: Dangerously Dedicated) In-Reply-To: <200011201410.eAKEAUQ68747@cwsys.cwsent.com> References: <200011201347.eAKDl7F12951@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <200011201410.eAKEAUQ68747@cwsys.cwsent.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > As the PC architecture requires, just use an fdisk partition rather > > > than a disklabel slice (slices are what UNIX vendors call them). For > > > that matter I'd be happy if we removed disklabel from the picture > > > entirely. I think that should be our goal. The architecture requires > > > an fdisk label and disklabel is redundant. It seems like a no-brainer > > > to me, just remove support for disklabel entirely. Simple and end of > > > argument. > > > > This is painful for lots of other reasons, and the counter-argument is > > that this is change for change's sake rather than change to a useful end. > > Not necessarily. Many people complain about the redundancy of > partitions and slices. Let's remove one level as the suggest. As the > PC architecture uses fdisk partitions, let's use that. No more > arguments. That's not good enough. The PC architecture limits us to 4-total partitions, which isn't good enough. It's not even good enough for M$, so they invented 'extended partitions, which is a M$-only feature. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 9:33:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1CD37B4D7 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:33:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B856E2BD1 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:33:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA14867 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:33:22 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda14865; Mon Nov 20 09:33:19 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAKHXEo13627 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:33:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdy13616; Mon Nov 20 09:32:36 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAKHWav69881 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:32:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011201732.eAKHWav69881@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdh69878; Mon Nov 20 09:32:24 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: All This Talk About Dedicated Disks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:32:24 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Taking a queue from David O'Brien in another thread on this list, I think we should move the discussions about dedicated disks to -arch. My future comments about this will be cc'd there instead of here. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 9:35:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sabre.velocet.net (sabre.velocet.net [198.96.118.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4D837B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:35:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from office.tor.velocet.net (trooper.velocet.net [204.138.45.2]) by sabre.velocet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F2CB137F5D for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:33:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from dgilbert@localhost) by office.tor.velocet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32820; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:35:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dgilbert) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14873.24814.809777.555306@trooper.velocet.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:35:42 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Can I expect INVARIANTS and VINUM to play well together? X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Some time ago in stable, I removed INVARIANTS and INVARIANT_SUPPORT from the kernel because vinum wasn't happy with this configuration. I've now come back to a point in my debugging that I'd like to turn these back on, but I need to know if VINUM will be happy with them. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Velocet Communications. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dgilbert@velocet.net | equal if and only if they | |http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 9:38:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tigger.pacehouse.com (adsl-63-202-82-14.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66ED837B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:38:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jepace@localhost) by tigger.pacehouse.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAKHcAj12438; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:38:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jepace@pobox.com) X-Authentication-Warning: tigger.pacehouse.com: jepace owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:38:10 -0800 (PST) From: "James E. Pace" X-Sender: jepace@tigger.pacehouse.com Reply-To: "James E. Pace" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Can't boot SMP system Message-ID: X-Url: http://www.pobox.com/~jepace X-Pgp-Fingerprint: 8C E7 12 5A 3A 8C 5C 4D EC 15 7B 65 EA 82 D2 BF X-Pgp-Keyid: A49EA4D9 X-Files: The Truth Is Out There MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi. I've got a dual p5-90 system at home and I'm not able to get a 4.x SMP kernel to boot. During boot of the SMP kernel, among other things, I see: ... atapci0: ... SMP: AP CPU #1 launched! Mount root from ufs:/dev/da0s1a da0 at amd0 bus0 target0 lun0 da0: [rest of info about disk] Then it hangs. Dropping into DDB, a trace reveals: Debugger+0x34 scgetc+0x38e sckbdevent+0x1b9 atkbd_intr+0x22 atkbd_isa_intr+0x18 Xresume1+0x35 --- interrupt idle_loop+0x44 If I continue, it continues to hang. If I step for say 50 instructions, it panics. I don't have the panic string here. My config file is the lastest GENERIC plus SMP and IPFIREWALL, and removing drivers for devices I don't have. Any thoughts on what I can do? Thanks, -James This letter brought to you by: ************************************* ** James E. Pace ** ** http://www.pobox.com/~jepace ** ******************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 9:38:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com (bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com [155.208.254.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D308437B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from hpcpbla.bri.hp.com (hpcpbla.bri.hp.com [15.144.112.65]) by bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1CF41E057 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:38:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from sse0691.bri.hp.com (sse0691.bri.hp.com [15.144.0.53]) by hpcpbla.bri.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.0) with ESMTP id RAA05703 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:38:34 GMT Received: (from keithj@localhost) by sse0691.bri.hp.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAKHh9o15089 for stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:43:09 GMT (envelope-from keithj) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:43:08 +0000 From: Keith Jones To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: BootEasy and PC-XT partitions [was Re: Dedicated disks...] Message-ID: <20001120174308.A14723@moose.bri.hp.com> References: <200011201003.eAKA3RS01865@possum.os2.ami.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <200011201003.eAKA3RS01865@possum.os2.ami.com.au>; from summer@OS2.ami.com.au on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 06:03:27PM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On a slight side-note to this thread: If PC-XT based architectures require a boot sector and partition information at C0/H0/S0, but reserve the whole of C0/H0, what are the other 62 (or 126?, for the SCSI oriented) sectors used for? Specifically I'm thinking that BootEasy could do with expanding quite a bit - knowledge of more partition types than it currently handles would be a good start (e.g. Compaq diagnostics, Solaris x86). Prettifying the display would be another bonus. Unfortunately, 512 bytes is hopelessly inadequate for storing information about all known partition types, let alone anything else. Would it be safe to have a simple bootstrap in C0/H0/S0 to load code from the rest of C0/H0 and execute it, or are some OSes/applications (e.g. fdisk, disklabel) likely to hose particular parts of it? (Aside from the partition table itself, naturally.) Additionally, how many sectors can we actually *guarantee* are there if we were to include support for legacy IDE disks? (I'm guessing some of the older ones had less than 63spt, though all mine ended up in the skip long ago so I can't tell anymore...) Keith -- Keith Jones E-Business Service Introduction, GBIT-E (Bristol) E: keith_jones@non.hp.com T: [+44 117] 312-7602 I don't speak for Hewlett-Packard. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 9:55:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com (bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com [155.208.254.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557D537B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:55:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from hpcpbla.bri.hp.com (hpcpbla.bri.hp.com [15.144.112.65]) by bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D7420221; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:55:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from sse0691.bri.hp.com (sse0691.bri.hp.com [15.144.0.53]) by hpcpbla.bri.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.0) with ESMTP id RAA06860; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:55:01 GMT Received: (from keithj@localhost) by sse0691.bri.hp.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAKHxag15190; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:59:36 GMT (envelope-from keithj) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:59:36 +0000 From: Keith Jones To: Nate Williams Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel (was: Re: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001120175935.B14723@moose.bri.hp.com> References: <200011201347.eAKDl7F12951@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <200011201410.eAKEAUQ68747@cwsys.cwsent.com> <14873.24098.233002.62004@nomad.yogotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <14873.24098.233002.62004@nomad.yogotech.com>; from nate@yogotech.com on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 10:23:46AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 10:23:46AM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: > > [thread snipped] > > That's not good enough. The PC architecture limits us to 4-total > partitions, which isn't good enough. It's not even good enough for M$, > so they invented 'extended partitions, which is a M$-only feature. Me too! I'm very fond of the fact that I can have five or six slices in a single PC-style partition. I've hit that limit a couple of times, with the result that my home machine has often had two BSD partitions on the same disk, each containing a number of disk slices. (Support for DOS extended partitions would mitigate this, and although it _is_ a M$ invention AFAIK, such support would probably be a Good Thing as far as the general populace is concerned.) I'd also think very carefully about changing the disk slice nomenclature from da0s1a/ad0s1a etc. to something new - I can still remember the last time it changed and I spent a number of hours tearing my hair out getting my machines to boot after the upgrade. Keith -- Keith Jones E-Business Service Introduction, GBIT-E (Bristol) E: keith_jones@non.hp.com T: [+44 117] 312-7602 I don't speak for Hewlett-Packard. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 10: 2:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from siri.nordier.com (c2-dbn-115.dial-up.net [196.34.155.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B9A637B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:02:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by siri.nordier.com (8.9.3/8.6.12) id UAA28209; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:01:35 +0200 (SAST) From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <200011201801.UAA28209@siri.nordier.com> Subject: Re: BootEasy and PC-XT partitions [was Re: Dedicated disks...] To: keithj@sse0691.bri.hp.com (Keith Jones) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:01:35 +0200 (SAST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20001120174308.A14723@moose.bri.hp.com> from "Keith Jones" at Nov 20, 2000 05:43:08 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Keith Jones wrote: > On a slight side-note to this thread: > > If PC-XT based architectures require a boot sector and partition information > at C0/H0/S0, but reserve the whole of C0/H0, what are the other 62 (or 126?, > for the SCSI oriented) sectors used for? They're "reserved", and on some systems are already used for storing stuff. On other systems, storing anything in this area will cause problems, eg. with virus checking done by the BIOS. In other words, if DD mode is bad, this is potentially worse. > Would it be safe to have a simple bootstrap in C0/H0/S0 to load code from the > rest of C0/H0 and execute it, or are some OSes/applications (e.g. fdisk, > disklabel) likely to hose particular parts of it? (Aside from the partition > table itself, naturally.) No, it wouldn't be safe. Also, it was tried -- still is being tried in -stable -- and doesn't work very reliably for the reasons mentioned above. > Additionally, how many sectors can we actually *guarantee* are there if we > were to include support for legacy IDE disks? (I'm guessing some of the > older ones had less than 63spt, though all mine ended up in the skip long > ago so I can't tell anymore...) We can't guarantee any free sectors are there. Lots of partitions start on the sector immediately following the MBR. Some commercially-supplied FDISKs did this by default for years. It isn't a bad idea, but it isn't a workable solution in itself. It might be OK as an install *option* for a bigger boot manager, but it couldn't be the only option. (And it's really just more sensible to store the entire boot manager in a regular file system, and just store the LBA so the MBR portion can find it.) -- Robert Nordier rnordier@nordier.com rnordier@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 10: 5:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8091837B479; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAKI5GI73040; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:05:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: stable@freebsd.org Cc: developers@freebsd.org Subject: The code freeze in RELENG_4 for src is now over. Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:05:16 -0800 Message-ID: <73036.974743516@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The 4.2 RELEASE has been rolled and you may now go back to your usual restrained hacking on -stable. That is all. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 10: 8: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from 2711.dynacom.net (2711.dynacom.net [206.107.213.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E806637B4C5; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:07:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from urx.com (dsl1-160.dynacom.net [206.159.132.160]) by 2711.dynacom.net (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10556; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:07:45 -0800 Message-ID: <3A196871.4FEF2AF4@urx.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:07:45 -0800 From: Kent Stewart Reply-To: kstewart@urx.com Organization: Dynacom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Hacker Jr Cc: list DC-FBSD , questions FBSD , Stable FBSD Subject: Re: Help with Sound. FBSDv4.2 References: <20001120154108.5591.qmail@web4502.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ben Hacker Jr wrote: > > Any help will be greatly appreciated! > > (Note: I am not a reader on FreeBSD Questions > list) > > I added lines for Sound to my Kernel and > recompiled. > Using a text based program to test playing a wav > file. It says the device is not available or it > cannot find the device. I assume it is talking > about the /dev/[sound device] > > If this configuration looks good and you suspect > the software, please suggest a better text based > software I can use to test my sound. I wanted > to use a CD player but they seem to only want > SCSI CD Devices. Mine is IDE. > What I didn't see was a list of your links that are produced when you reboot and run cd /dev ./MAKEDEV snd0. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 10:25:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CCAF37B4C5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:25:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAKIP2I73166; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:25:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Vivek Khera Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.2-RC1 not (easily) bootable In-Reply-To: Message from Vivek Khera of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:12:38 EST." <14873.19830.64277.304397@onceler.kciLink.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:25:02 -0800 Message-ID: <73161.974744702@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I have two machines that wouldn't boot unless I installed them in DD > mode. Am I to infer that at some date they will no longer run > FreeBSD because DD mode goes away? No, Mike Smith will be fixing them for you. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 10:26:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from KIWI-Computer.com (kiwi-computer.com [63.224.10.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DC937B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:26:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by KIWI-Computer.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA48985; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:23:55 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: FreeBSD Filter Message-Id: <200011201823.MAA48985@KIWI-Computer.com> Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel (was: Re: Dangerously Dedicated) In-Reply-To: <14873.24098.233002.62004@nomad.yogotech.com> from Nate Williams at "Nov 20, 2000 10:23:46 am" To: Nate Williams Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:23:55 -0600 (CST) Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > That's not good enough. The PC architecture limits us to 4-total > partitions, which isn't good enough. It's not even good enough for M$, > so they invented 'extended partitions, which is a M$-only feature. Just because microsnot invented it doesn't mean they're the only ones using it. Linux does, and I'm sure others do too. --Rick C. Petty, aka Snoopy rick@kiwi-computer.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 10:29:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF5137B4C5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:29:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23663; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:29:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17053; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:29:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14873.28040.451463.172207@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:29:28 -0700 (MST) To: FreeBSD Filter Cc: Nate Williams , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel (was: Re: Dangerously Dedicated) In-Reply-To: <200011201823.MAA48985@KIWI-Computer.com> References: <14873.24098.233002.62004@nomad.yogotech.com> <200011201823.MAA48985@KIWI-Computer.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > That's not good enough. The PC architecture limits us to 4-total > > partitions, which isn't good enough. It's not even good enough for M$, > > so they invented 'extended partitions, which is a M$-only feature. > > Just because microsnot invented it doesn't mean they're the only ones using > it. Linux does, and I'm sure others do too. Linux is the *only* OS that I'm aware that follows M$ lead. I think it's that way because initially most of the Linux developers were M$ users, whereas most of the BSD developers were unix users who wanted to run a real OS on their PC. Totally different perspectives. (I for one would be *very* annoyed to see FreeBSD change it's disk format to be more M$-like, since it would be a gratiutious that would cause endless grief for existing installations, and it's bowing even more to M$.) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 10:39:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C35837B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:39:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAKId8I73217; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:39:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: Stijn Hoop , FreeBSD , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel In-Reply-To: Message from Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:49:43 PST." <200011201650.eAKGoYV69653@cwsys.cwsent.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:39:08 -0800 Message-ID: <73213.974745548@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In a world where most people don't care about the architecture of an > operating system, I think that this would put a friendlier face on > FreeBSD. Well, why not prototype something up and show it to us? These things don't write themselves. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 10:43:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DB837B4F9 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:43:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAKIhGQ25787; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:43:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA24990; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:43:16 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011201843.LAA24990@harmony.village.org> To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel (was: Re: Dangerously Dedicated) Cc: FreeBSD Filter , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:29:28 MST." <14873.28040.451463.172207@nomad.yogotech.com> References: <14873.28040.451463.172207@nomad.yogotech.com> <14873.24098.233002.62004@nomad.yogotech.com> <200011201823.MAA48985@KIWI-Computer.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:43:16 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <14873.28040.451463.172207@nomad.yogotech.com> Nate Williams writes: : (I for one would be *very* annoyed to see FreeBSD change it's disk : format to be more M$-like, since it would be a gratiutious that would : cause endless grief for existing installations, and it's bowing even : more to M$.) No one is suggesting this. We are just suggesting that new installations not create DD unless people jump through a lot of hoops. We're not proposing changing of the on disk format, just moving away from DD mode for new installs. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 10:45: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DC437B4C5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:44:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23914; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:44:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17189; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:44:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14873.28965.286468.690696@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:44:53 -0700 (MST) To: Warner Losh Cc: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams), FreeBSD Filter , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel (was: Re: Dangerously Dedicated) In-Reply-To: <200011201843.LAA24990@harmony.village.org> References: <14873.28040.451463.172207@nomad.yogotech.com> <14873.24098.233002.62004@nomad.yogotech.com> <200011201823.MAA48985@KIWI-Computer.com> <200011201843.LAA24990@harmony.village.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > : (I for one would be *very* annoyed to see FreeBSD change it's disk > : format to be more M$-like, since it would be a gratiutious that would > : cause endless grief for existing installations, and it's bowing even > : more to M$.) > > No one is suggesting this. We are just suggesting that new > installations not create DD unless people jump through a lot of > hoops. We're not proposing changing of the on disk format, just > moving away from DD mode for new installs. Right, but the bike-shed discussion must continue on until either the end of FreeBSD is mentioned, or someone starts mentioning Nazi's. It's the Usenet way. :) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 10:48: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE7C37B4C5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:47:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAKIluQ25820; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:47:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA25072; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:47:56 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011201847.LAA25072@harmony.village.org> To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel (was: Re: Dangerously Dedicated) Cc: FreeBSD Filter , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:44:53 MST." <14873.28965.286468.690696@nomad.yogotech.com> References: <14873.28965.286468.690696@nomad.yogotech.com> <14873.28040.451463.172207@nomad.yogotech.com> <14873.24098.233002.62004@nomad.yogotech.com> <200011201823.MAA48985@KIWI-Computer.com> <200011201843.LAA24990@harmony.village.org> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:47:56 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <14873.28965.286468.690696@nomad.yogotech.com> Nate Williams writes: : Right, but the bike-shed discussion must continue on until either the : end of FreeBSD is mentioned, or someone starts mentioning Nazi's. It's : the Usenet way. :) Well, we're done then. :-) You mentioned them in passing :-) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 11: 6:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from klement.dstorm.net (ip-216-145-173-163.idcnet.com [216.145.173.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD4137B4C5; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:06:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (scotty@localhost) by klement.dstorm.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAKJ4Zd11633; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:04:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scotty@klement.dstorm.net) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:04:35 -0600 (CST) From: scotty@klement.dstorm.net To: Kent Stewart Cc: Ben Hacker Jr , list DC-FBSD , questions FBSD , Stable FBSD Subject: Re: Help with Sound. FBSDv4.2 In-Reply-To: <3A196871.4FEF2AF4@urx.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Kent Stewart wrote: > Ben Hacker Jr wrote: > > > > Any help will be greatly appreciated! > > > > file. It says the device is not available or it > > cannot find the device. I assume it is talking > > about the /dev/[sound device] > > > What I didn't see was a list of your links that are produced when you > reboot and run > > cd /dev > ./MAKEDEV snd0. > > Kent Since his dmesg output shows "pcm1" as being the sound device, shouldn't it be ./MAKEDEV snd1? HTH To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 11:10:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nu.nu.cuk.nu (node.050.lc.link.si [212.30.95.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D124937B4C5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:10:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from nu.cuk.nu (cuk.localnet [192.168.6.11]) by nu.nu.cuk.nu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823031AB45; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:13:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3A19770D.C4F57BAD@nu.cuk.nu> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:10:05 +0100 From: Marko Cuk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jgarman@wedgie.org, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE delayed until November 20th. References: <49687.974363227@winston.osd.bsdi.com> <20001119212157.A93256@got.wedgie.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms6152CC92A145D7ED7234391A" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms6152CC92A145D7ED7234391A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sure. It will crash that moment, when you do sysctl -a net.link.ether.bridge_ipfw=1 . Don't upgrade unless it's fixed. Cuk Jason Garman wrote: > On Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 12:27:07AM -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > > What is with the bridging code ?? It won't work from 4.0 !! I wrote > > > about that problem many times. > > > > Yes, you've written about it many times but I have yet to see anything > > substantial enough in the way of details to imply that anyone will be > > fixing it for 4.2 unless someone else comes forward with the right > > kinds of debugging information. Perhaps if someone else using the > > bridging code could check this out? I don't know of [m]any people > > here doing so. > > > Could someone elaborate on the details here? I assume we're talking > about luigi's ethernet bridging code? What exactly is the problem in 4.2? > I use this extensively in 4.0-stable and am thinking of upgrading to 4.2. > (I use bridging+ipfw so I can firewall on my DSL connection without > "wasting" IP addresses with a subnet) > > enjoy > -- > Jason Garman http://web.wedgie.org/ > Student, University of Maryland jgarman@wedgie.org > >From fortune(1): Whois: JAG145 > "... Had this been an actual emergency, we would have fled in terror, > and you would not have been informed." > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message --------------ms6152CC92A145D7ED7234391A Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIILRwYJKoZIhvcNAQcCoIILODCCCzQCAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMAsGCSqGSIb3DQEHAaCC CUkwggJWMIIBv6ADAgECAgsBAAAAAADi6OMbGjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADBdMQswCQYDVQQG EwJCRTEZMBcGA1UEChMQR2xvYmFsU2lnbiBudi1zYTETMBEGA1UECxMKQ2xhc3MgMSBDQTEe MBwGA1UEAxMVR2xvYmFsU2lnbiBDbGFzcyAxIENBMB4XDTAwMTExODE3NTAwNloXDTAwMTIx OTE3NTAwNlowNjEWMBQGA1UEAxQNY3VrQG51LmN1ay5udTEcMBoGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYNY3Vr QG51LmN1ay5udTCBnzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOBjQAwgYkCgYEAuIuBAERjucydC5Dh3ubP ROY/sx0YtaiO0r6/6xJHfDlp7iJ6xpdj2PCK/MflRL2iUzQNODn8ng7hsa7+h8eURs7cXZIq rzOJK6Gzn57ij0hWAfv7+JFXl6EpxiadzeK9yW8sHUCiIn/3SpRmGqXtBDDfs1wmX67fzRQH 6bfAcv0CAwEAAaNDMEEwEQYJYIZIAYb4QgEBBAQDAgWgMAsGA1UdDwQEAwIE8DAfBgNVHSME GDAWgBQO3PC7Ejzd+mCnjycKm6cufnNpmjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOBgQIQ/OPaTYl3kAPP tJ33aHsVW91+3JiFc72B5ObZFSewd/UXTxSpVfG14SnTYhkUKuiF7ZQMF+ZlQW/jsi/uoxHx 9t5gSzum946riO+C+meKCvukspxXCswYGm45G98/5iqEX+FLU0Y3o8wwq6yLyCVMZ5LUO2Wm 68ATDWEKUM2IrDCCAzswggIjoAMCAQICCwIAAAAAANZ4ujryMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUAMG0x CzAJBgNVBAYTAkJFMRkwFwYDVQQKExBHbG9iYWxTaWduIG52LXNhMRswGQYDVQQLExJQcmlt YXJ5IENsYXNzIDEgQ0ExJjAkBgNVBAMTHUdsb2JhbFNpZ24gUHJpbWFyeSBDbGFzcyAxIENB MB4XDTk4MDkxNjEyMDAwMFoXDTA0MDEyODEyMDAwMFowXTELMAkGA1UEBhMCQkUxGTAXBgNV BAoTEEdsb2JhbFNpZ24gbnYtc2ExEzARBgNVBAsTCkNsYXNzIDEgQ0ExHjAcBgNVBAMTFUds b2JhbFNpZ24gQ2xhc3MgMSBDQTCBnzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOBjQAwgYkCgYEAmjJY7csS PqvryFdmTEK8cIBgADYB7t/9/V7xcuHMqjPYhGIlL+AuKyJiIq+OXl1pRW0NQ6J3a5uaMfHy EAKH4YqBnPmMYrK8ZImHVZZWfCkDtezp9llOzLi9FLEHFl6l1GfQTUmr/1nPx7Kh+2EbmYcw NY8q1a30osItFfv+23kCAwEAAaNwMG4wCwYDVR0PBAQDAgAGMB0GA1UdDgQWBBQO3PC7Ejzd +mCnjycKm6cufnNpmjAfBgNVHSMEGDAWgBT84Gb2WjWZ60Ae0rgeQ7yYjh+KwzARBglghkgB hvhCAQEEBAMCAAcwDAYDVR0TBAUwAwEB/zANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFAAOCAQEAJSGOw9tLJwJO 6BczAJXaTkYeqdcWCpt+H8YA6+z535Vy8ZbeZodRv+VR0vn0WEnwIBYj82jooZzjHuiAPJDv JscCeodgNZ8s5J9OKnJyaV+EY3FoBzFytnnj6+e2LjqQVJo7hGjsohyU3pjHjAwUrbmnBQ2/ TQiFY6827nLlNZOKv42LBI6qwOlrqhfZVhs1yGReZAT9sUI89/TDLcfn5WqALpQ6b9NYaWsD YReIp8l6/wCAooLeOj6eq4fgVk6BhbNpxYYW6Yk/uIQ3dKgwS6mbmDet1ksx6gx+z9RdvB6e RBy2CwAfZy6acD9872USMbSnpMtdWyeaAed5n10o4jCCA6wwggKUoAMCAQICCwIAAAAAANZ4 uDfPMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUAMFcxCzAJBgNVBAYTAkJFMRkwFwYDVQQKExBHbG9iYWxTaWdu IG52LXNhMRAwDgYDVQQLEwdSb290IENBMRswGQYDVQQDExJHbG9iYWxTaWduIFJvb3QgQ0Ew HhcNOTgwOTE1MTIwMDAwWhcNMDkwMTI4MTIwMDAwWjBtMQswCQYDVQQGEwJCRTEZMBcGA1UE ChMQR2xvYmFsU2lnbiBudi1zYTEbMBkGA1UECxMSUHJpbWFyeSBDbGFzcyAxIENBMSYwJAYD VQQDEx1HbG9iYWxTaWduIFByaW1hcnkgQ2xhc3MgMSBDQTCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAD ggEPADCCAQoCggEBAL0gNUfRKNYIoxI5I0cNvXAhUg5XMZWmNFdr7H5DecMGUkjNvLWhmb3Y HzK8z9ducm0udyKQgk5Lj5oMAUKa2XBZtp0f5mPRDK0dTviFgfmu75+mUmFEeRp1ReBhVkVt Qow9csumpBK3mvXWYNBgULOOpqbstPQSzX+ozu+z4YUw/nLE5ud3s55YQdZRg4gHxrZpTzbe 0QtIP73WnyF0ZG8nBj5L/Q6mm7+kSFeMkO6JGAsCgRi+Z/5TYIgnuqNzNEtaVrTecwXtmJZd 7ErnQPxLCWLr0OMxT4XReqtZZyv7iA/rqoO9Nf1hJ+xmDkJX92nCDO/8asJuSdqPQTiuSKkC AwEAAaNjMGEwDgYDVR0PAQH/BAQDAgAGMB0GA1UdDgQWBBT84Gb2WjWZ60Ae0rgeQ7yYjh+K wzAfBgNVHSMEGDAWgBRge2YaRQ2XyolQL30EzTSo//z9SzAPBgNVHRMBAf8EBTADAQH/MA0G CSqGSIb3DQEBBAUAA4IBAQCbowhEzvKQnXHzMrMFarXqzymY3lU+oBZ9BnpE1q/S+hNYjPgc x6sdtBvvaWiYXAg5j+D3+0jMIee4M9sFqjQkbErl6Xtg3oOzHwq+QXX8zDBIt8EmHQQzqrZ4 7SrLulaXMm73MZUuRvIU7ifH92KJuVxa0ziKZPU3tPGzNHLV1SE9S9d4k9cxZjUeo9hHSW8c reGAf/iYJGxzrA7CGncCoyYHt8drXbyC1SpIHWPPUDKm+xwYRxUKWwxcOCSaBJioCEhffDSH Y6stjUwAd5Qbdrr1FhijFa8vlPYpAHbBFRfT6TdNdtTLSylZJKzaSqDqY95fVLH689FFy8Vk tHMhMYIBxjCCAcICAQEwbDBdMQswCQYDVQQGEwJCRTEZMBcGA1UEChMQR2xvYmFsU2lnbiBu di1zYTETMBEGA1UECxMKQ2xhc3MgMSBDQTEeMBwGA1UEAxMVR2xvYmFsU2lnbiBDbGFzcyAx IENBAgsBAAAAAADi6OMbGjAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIGxMBgGCSqGSIb3DQEJAzELBgkqhkiG9w0B BwEwHAYJKoZIhvcNAQkFMQ8XDTAwMTEyMDE5MTAwOVowIwYJKoZIhvcNAQkEMRYEFMneYTjk lDQJhAuDEUhqpMCeBoR6MFIGCSqGSIb3DQEJDzFFMEMwCgYIKoZIhvcNAwcwDgYIKoZIhvcN AwICAgCAMAcGBSsOAwIHMA0GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgFAMA0GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgEoMA0GCSqGSIb3 DQEBAQUABIGAhaXgWBzKr0xNaPikStSgr/jRjO94q3zTMiPlhDey5uu9lLq+TSV05m85+DdW x3U3r0+xIJaG4iVQsAsrTeu6Bj+yd8NU6ji9+kS8KiklLAfAYG6jt60bkUvdMtOBC8krYdxE c2jUORyPwav7UmL8wRF+GOeE9gQKM/O1DkSaBGc= --------------ms6152CC92A145D7ED7234391A-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 11:34:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-178-138.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.178.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5E137B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:34:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAKJfWF13969; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:41:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011201941.eAKJfWF13969@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Vivek Khera Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.2-RC1 not (easily) bootable In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:12:38 EST." <14873.19830.64277.304397@onceler.kciLink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:41:32 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >>>>> "DO" == David O'Brien writes: > > DO> Why did you choose a "dangerously dedicated" install? "dangerously > DO> dedicated" might go away in the future (as it doesn't leave space enough > DO> space for boot0). Unless the normal slice configuration won't work for > DO> you, there really is no good reason to use "dangerously dedicated". > > I have two machines that wouldn't boot unless I installed them in DD > mode. Am I to infer that at some date they will no longer run > FreeBSD because DD mode goes away? Nope. You will just have to install them correctly, and you'll be fine. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 11:42:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lyra.ci.uc.pt (lyra.ci.uc.pt [193.136.200.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA5537B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:42:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from godfather.mafia.net (pm1-54.uc.pt [193.137.211.182]) by lyra.ci.uc.pt (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11027 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:42:29 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:48:05 -0000 (GMT) Reply-To: pedro@qui.uc.pt Organization: Webvolution Networks From: Pedro Almeida To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Problems with ports Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all! I've just update my system to 4.2-BETA. After this upgrade many ports doesn't install because they say that bsd.port.mk is too old. How can this be if I've just upgrade the whole source, ports and system? Any ideas? Example: ====================================================== root@godfather windowmaker# make Error: your port uses an old layout. Please update it to match this bsd.port.mk. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-wm/windowmaker. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-wm/windowmaker. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-wm/windowmaker. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-wm/windowmaker. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-wm/windowmaker. ================================================== Thanks, Pedro _______________________________________________________________ Pedro Almeida AKA GoDfAtHeR The use of "hacker" to mean "security breaker" is a confusion on the part of the mass media. We hackers refuse to recognize that meaning, and continue using the word to mean, "Someone who loves to program and enjoys being clever about it." Message sent at 19:42:53 on 20-Nov-2000 -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3ia mQCNAzlBhUwAAAEEALvHLK2QJ04G/Jhp0NZxg2QhW/FeNl8O97ImDH9hAYExvDYD zB3yvbc5N70agwI1fs2Rxjp69QL9CrsKb+VK2mmrvSE4N2HOEUC8V9iivZBg1sul hSJk6TSMvKhm5dprPGIgGRtl95WFZ8t9Rc+GWDpnZvEPUP8QLvZ0iiMXugBRAAUR tCVQZWRybyBBbG1laWRhIDxwZWRyb0B3ZWJ2b2x1dGlvbi5uZXQ+iQCVAwUQOUGF TPZ0iiMXugBRAQHOvAP/YOfh6quqnQZ0+/jxpQ50OCzpgMBuCushogJ3Owq8vtBS bJrwWXNUBK6bKVCwZV9cuJ6D1qrFJ/8aEe6E7/+lApxaE2fE3nNRwq+jjx70X9vI C1+Z8t6PjcRO3Tkcl8O7484BSvtPDpMd3kyVKEGJZg4kJyOWnpUxfPMpsEscRCU= =lJxF -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 11:45:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from merganser.its.uu.se (merganser.its.uu.se [130.238.6.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4DA37B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:45:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from regulus.student.UU.SE ([130.238.5.2]:57569 "HELO ertr1013.student.uu.se") by merganser.its.uu.se with SMTP id ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:45:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 3016 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Nov 2000 19:45:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:45:03 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: FreeBSD Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel Message-ID: <20001120204503.B2965@student.uu.se> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD , Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , stable@freebsd.org References: <200011201332.eAKDWTB68389@cwsys.cwsent.com> <200011201458.IAA44992@KIWI-Computer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011201458.IAA44992@KIWI-Computer.com>; from freebsd@KIWI-Computer.com on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:58:50AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:58:50AM -0600, FreeBSD wrote: > > The problem with the fdisk slices is that there is only room for 4 ... > disklabel gives us 8, no wait.. 6 if you have a swap and 5 if you don't. > > I've never been a fan of this. May I make a recommendation (flame away, > boys): redo disklabel while we're at it. it seems counter-intuitive to > me, as well as wasteful, to make partition "c" the whole disk and skip "d" > altogether. IMHO, "da0s1" should refer to the whole disk, "da0s1a" should > be the first physical partition, "da0s1b" the second partition, etc. down > to "h". This gives us 8 partitions of any type: swap or FS. This is not > ambiguous, the "swapon" would detect in the label p_fstype and if it were > not equal to FS_SWAP it wouldn't try to swap-mount it. Same goes for any > FS mount, if p_fstype != FS_BSDFFS or whatnot, it wouldn't allow mounting > of that FS. > I agree fully. Anybody know why it was done as it currently is originally? -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 11:45:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from merganser.its.uu.se (merganser.its.uu.se [130.238.6.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3356C37B4C5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:45:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from regulus.student.UU.SE ([130.238.5.2]:57559 "HELO ertr1013.student.uu.se") by merganser.its.uu.se with SMTP id ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:45:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 2990 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Nov 2000 19:44:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:44:54 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: Stijn Hoop Cc: FreeBSD , Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel Message-ID: <20001120204454.A2965@student.uu.se> Mail-Followup-To: Stijn Hoop , FreeBSD , Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , stable@freebsd.org References: <200011201332.eAKDWTB68389@cwsys.cwsent.com> <200011201458.IAA44992@KIWI-Computer.com> <20001120170356.C74393@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001120170356.C74393@pcwin002.win.tue.nl>; from stijn@win.tue.nl on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 05:03:56PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 05:03:56PM +0100, Stijn Hoop wrote: > > I'd like to see FreeBSD do the same as Linux on the i386 - use only > the partition table, along with extended partitions. Do away with disklabel > *on that platform*. This would be a bad idea IMNSHO. Remember that you can only have 4 primary partitions and if if you have multiple OS's you quickly start to run out of them. Personally I like the fact that I can have several BSD partitions inside one slice (DOS partition). DOS partitions are a fairly scarce resource, so we shouldn't use more of them than necessary. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 11:48:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (sivka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A306F37B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:48:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from kozlik.carrier.kiev.ua (root@kozlik.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.111]) by sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (8/Kilkenny_is_better) with ESMTP id VSN69548; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:48:10 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from igor@greyk.kiev.ua) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by kozlik.carrier.kiev.ua with UUCP id VRJ81395; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:45:09 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from igor@greyk.kiev.ua) Received: from greyk.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by kozlik.carrier.kiev.ua (rmail mypid=81394 childpid=81395) with UUCP; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:45:09 +0000 GMT Received: from greyk.kiev.ua (ntserver.greyk.kiev.ua [192.168.194.1]) by bsd.greyk.kiev.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03268; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:18:50 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from igor@greyk.kiev.ua) Message-ID: <3A197896.99E1331@greyk.kiev.ua> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:16:38 +0200 From: Igor Khavin Organization: Grey Kyiv X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,uk,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable Cc: Igor Karpov Subject: make depend fails Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Trying to make depend I got @ -> /usr/src/sys machine -> /usr/src/sys/i386/include make: don't know how to make agp_if.c. Stop *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/compile/NOVEMBER. After a number of unsuccessful attempts to build world, as was suggested in UPDATING (I have a list of errors, errors where different)I did: # rm -rf /usr/obj/* Then removed all directories from /usr/src/, then # cd /usr/src/ && make update after CVSup finished successfully # make buildworld after it finished successfully # cd /sys/i386/conf && config NOVEMBER after it finished successfully # cd ../../compile/NOVEMBER && make depend ...and got the same error. I read through UPDATING but I still cannot catch what did I do wrong. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 11:52:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.techometer.net (techometer.net [216.240.169.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC8537B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:52:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from emechler@localhost) by lucifer.techometer.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAKJptL03036; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:51:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:51:54 -0800 From: Erick Mechler To: Igor Khavin Cc: freebsd-stable , Igor Karpov Subject: Re: make depend fails Message-ID: <20001120115154.A94899@lucifer.techometer.net> References: <3A197896.99E1331@greyk.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A197896.99E1331@greyk.kiev.ua>; from Igor Khavin on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 09:16:38PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If your source is newer than July, you need to use the new buildkernel/installkernel targets (from /usr/src/UPDATING)... 20000706: Binutils were updated. In order to build a kernel after this date, you must follow the updating procedure for building kernels exactly as presented here. You may be able to get away with doing it the old way, but if it breaks, make sure that you've tried the "To build a kernel" section with a fresh /usr/obj first. Be sure to let the list know how old your source is next time, too =) Regards, Erick At Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 09:16:38PM +0200, Igor Khavin said this: :: Trying to make depend I got :: :: @ -> /usr/src/sys :: machine -> /usr/src/sys/i386/include :: make: don't know how to make agp_if.c. Stop :: *** Error code 2 :: Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules. :: *** Error code 1 :: Stop in /usr/src/sys/compile/NOVEMBER. :: :: After a number of unsuccessful attempts to build world, as was suggested :: in UPDATING (I have a list of errors, errors where different)I did: :: :: # rm -rf /usr/obj/* :: Then removed all directories from /usr/src/, then :: # cd /usr/src/ && make update :: after CVSup finished successfully :: # make buildworld :: after it finished successfully :: # cd /sys/i386/conf && config NOVEMBER :: after it finished successfully :: # cd ../../compile/NOVEMBER && make depend :: :: ...and got the same error. :: :: I read through UPDATING but I still cannot catch what did I do wrong. :: :: :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :: with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 11:52:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F8D37B4C5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:52:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAKJqIQ26222; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:52:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA26174; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:52:18 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011201952.MAA26174@harmony.village.org> To: Igor Khavin Subject: Re: make depend fails Cc: freebsd-stable , Igor Karpov In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:16:38 +0200." <3A197896.99E1331@greyk.kiev.ua> References: <3A197896.99E1331@greyk.kiev.ua> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:52:18 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <3A197896.99E1331@greyk.kiev.ua> Igor Khavin writes: : Trying to make depend I got : : @ -> /usr/src/sys : machine -> /usr/src/sys/i386/include : make: don't know how to make agp_if.c. Stop : *** Error code 2 : Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules. : *** Error code 1 : Stop in /usr/src/sys/compile/NOVEMBER. : : After a number of unsuccessful attempts to build world, as was suggested : in UPDATING (I have a list of errors, errors where different)I did: : : # rm -rf /usr/obj/* : Then removed all directories from /usr/src/, then : # cd /usr/src/ && make update : after CVSup finished successfully : # make buildworld : after it finished successfully : # cd /sys/i386/conf && config NOVEMBER : after it finished successfully : # cd ../../compile/NOVEMBER && make depend This is not in updating. Thus spake UPDATING: To build a kernel ----------------- cd /usr/src # If you have not already done so, please buildworld here # You will also need to update your config file to 4.x. Usually # people tend to start with GENERIC from 4.x and hack from there. make buildkernel KERNEL= make installkernel KERNEL= # Verify that the new kernel works, it will be installed as # /kernel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 11:56:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c1870039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2219437B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:56:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA20861; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:56:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3A1981EF.24B22EA9@eboa.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:56:31 +0100 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Nilsson Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Vinum versus abit References: <3A1922AE.906CCCA6@svenskabutiker.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Martin Nilsson wrote: > > ... > I tried to remove one IDE cable from my motherboard and then starting the > computer. Result: THE HPT370 BIOS HUNG, when detecting drives and the machine > never even tried to boot. Nice! Vinum would do way much better than that! > As usual Taiwanese hardware proves itself as cheap junk that never fails > to disappoint the advanced user. Not good :). > Use Vinum, then you know how it works or buy a real card, I have heard > that the 3ware ones are good and not that expensive for a two disk solution. Thank you and everyone else that chipped in. Looks like the deal is that vinum still rules mayhap beaten by 3ware. Think I'll go with vinum since I'm not bothered by the boot problem thanks to a separate SCSI disk. Wish I had the budget to go with a full SCSI setup but not for this project at this time, alas. Roelof To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 12: 1:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177BF37B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:01:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAKK14B81892; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:01:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3A18304B.689C2CFE@glue.umd.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:01:37 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Brandon Fosdick Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 19-Nov-00 Brandon Fosdick wrote: > David O'Brien wrote: >> >> On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 12:32:16PM -0500, Brandon Fosdick wrote: >> > So we're going to be stuck with MS style partitions on machines that only >> > run >> > FreeBSD? I don't like this idea. >> >> Can you tell why?? Just because it is "MS style partitions"?? > > Using what I consider to be a artifact of another operating system on a > machine > that doesn't use that OS seems silly to me. Unless, of course, that artifact > has > some useful feature(s) or functionality. If it does, I'm all ears. > >> BTW, slices aren't "MS style partitions", but "PC BIOS style partitions". >> As long as people insist on using Intel based computers, slices are >> demanded. Run FreeBSD on an Alpha if you don't like the idea of the PC >> BIOS 4-slot partition table with boundaries on cylinders and MBR. > > I'm a little confused here. Why are slices demanded by the Intel > arhictecture? > We've been successfully using DD mode for years now, if slices are "demanded" > what kind of voodoo have we been using? They are demanded by the BIOS, not the CPU. And we have been using seriously ugly voodoo involving a fake, invalid slice table that relied on certain equations to work out certain ways that violated the de facto standard for the way slices are laid out. As a result, some newer BIOS's choke on a DD disk. This has been discussed to death in the archives, please go read the 10 prior copies of this discussion there. Thank you. This thread should die. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 12: 2:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C593437B4C5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:02:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21098; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:02:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAKK1xw11298; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:01:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:01:59 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Pedro Almeida Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problems with ports Message-ID: <20001120120159.A11275@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from pedro@qui.uc.pt on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 07:48:05PM -0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 07:48:05PM -0000, Pedro Almeida wrote: > Hi all! This belongs in ports@freebsd.org. Please ask this there. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 12: 4: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B83437B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eAKK3pk31522; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:03:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:03:51 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: Pedro Almeida Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with ports In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Pedro Almeida wrote: > > Hi all! > > I've just update my system to 4.2-BETA. > After this upgrade many ports doesn't install because they say that > bsd.port.mk is too old. > How can this be if I've just upgrade the whole source, ports and system? > Any ideas? You have to blow away the leftover directories. Make sure you're specifying 'delete' in your CVSup file or use 'cvs update -dP' to prune empty directories. Alternately, remove and re-checkout the port. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 12:10:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c1870039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE3637B4C5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA20940; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:10:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3A198537.5AED652@eboa.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:10:31 +0100 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RC1 install size References: <69743.974694574@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > ... > Erm, well, let's just get one thing straight first: There's only one > release candidate currently under test and that's RC2. It's only > available on ONE place and in ONE form, an ISO image, so there's > really only: > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/4.2-RC2-install.iso > > to test when we refer to "FTP sites." Anything else is pretty much > irrelevant at this stage in the game since it's obsolete. I also > announced RC2 on this mailing list so you should know about it and the > location it's being offered from. Got no CD drive in that box. But I'll put one in. Downloading the ISO as we speak. Albeit from the dutch mirror. Anyway, the reason I put my comments here instead of as PR was that I wasn't certain they would amount to much. Just things that struck me as odd. Talking about odd, what I also consider to be odd is that the option All doesn't give All. Mind you I just checked with Greg's Book and the figure (5.4 Distribution selection menu @ p.79, 3rd edition) does not show the All option. So, it looks like it's a new option. If so, then maybe someone who knows what (s)he's doing ought to look at it. Hm, this one I'm sure enough to grant PR status ;). Roelof To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 12:20:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta-2.gci.net (mta-2.gci.net [208.138.130.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C5D37B4C5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mmp-1.gci.net ([208.138.130.80]) by mta-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G4CB6902.TAK for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:20:33 -0900 Received: from gci.net ([209.112.134.74]) by mmp-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G4CB6401.112 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:20:28 -0900 Message-ID: <3A19877F.2B5D18BF@gci.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:20:15 -0900 From: Jason Neumann X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stable Subject: FBSD src/version info. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greetings, I am wondering where I can look at /usr/src and find out what version of the src I have (4.1.1-STABLE 4.2-BETA, 4.2-RELEASE) etc. Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 12:24: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E5137B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:24:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAKKO1Q26553; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:24:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA26918; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:24:01 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011202024.NAA26918@harmony.village.org> To: Jason Neumann Subject: Re: FBSD src/version info. Cc: Stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:20:15 -0900." <3A19877F.2B5D18BF@gci.net> References: <3A19877F.2B5D18BF@gci.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:24:01 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <3A19877F.2B5D18BF@gci.net> Jason Neumann writes: : I am wondering where I can look at /usr/src and find out what version of : the src I have (4.1.1-STABLE 4.2-BETA, 4.2-RELEASE) etc. Assuming that it was all checked out at the same time, which you cannot easily devine, you can look at /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 12:24:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D5E37B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19454; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:23:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200011202023.MAA19454@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated In-Reply-To: <200011192210.eAJMAWG03651@billy-club.village.org> from Warner Losh at "Nov 19, 2000 03:10:32 pm" To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:23:02 -0800 (PST) Cc: bfoz@glue.umd.edu (Brandon Fosdick), Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca (Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group), stable@FreeBSD.ORG, roelof@eboa.com (Roelof Osinga) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message <3A180EA0.31926227@glue.umd.edu> Brandon Fosdick writes: > : So we're going to be stuck with MS style partitions on machines that only run > : FreeBSD? I don't like this idea. > > First, these aren't MS style partitions. They are part of the PC > spec. FreeBSD is lying to the BIOS with the MBR that we put onto the > disk, and that causes problems. Seems people are getting very confused here about what the BIOS cares about and what cares about the partition table, what the specs say and what software is actually doing what. The original IBM AT spec could give a rats ass about a partition table, all that it cares about is the boot block signature (magic 0xAA55). It is the MBR that knows what a partition table is and how to deal with it. The original spec says if there is a valid signature, load the code and jump to it passing the drive number in reg dl so that the boot code knows where it was loaded from. It was up to the MBR to decide what to do from then on. Note that some newer BIOS's have violated the original spec and intent by now looking at the partition table, bad BIOS, bad bad bad BIOS (typically oem's like gateway, compaq, dell, HP). Also note that most current BIOS's actually do follow the original spec and work just fine (Award, and non-oem modified Phoenix). Almost all partitioning tools assume that if there is a boot signature a DOS style partion table exists in the MBR, technically this software is in error. So in summary: a) The BIOS knows about a boot signature and what to do with it, it should not know about a partion table, if it does it is technically broken. b) The MBR knows about partition tables, if it cares about them. c) Software that assumes there is a partition table just becuase there is a boot signature is technically broken, but quite common. > Second, the amount of space wasted is nearly 0 (32k on most IDE disks, > 64k on scsi). The wasted space is exactly 1 track - 1 block. -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 12:30:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24DD137B4C5; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:30:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19474; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:30:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200011202030.MAA19474@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated In-Reply-To: <200011192214.eAJMEPG03693@billy-club.village.org> from Warner Losh at "Nov 19, 2000 03:14:25 pm" To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:30:36 -0800 (PST) Cc: bfoz@glue.umd.edu (Brandon Fosdick), stable@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message <3A18304B.689C2CFE@glue.umd.edu> Brandon Fosdick writes: > : Using what I consider to be a artifact of another operating system > : on a machine that doesn't use that OS seems silly to me. Unless, of > : course, that artifact has some useful feature(s) or > : functionality. If it does, I'm all ears. > > But it isn't an artifact of another OS. It is an artifact of the > BIOS. Read other email. The partition table is not an aftifact of the BIOS, it is an actifact of PC-DOS's MBR, and hence forth MS's MBR code. > : I'm a little confused here. Why are slices demanded by the Intel > : arhictecture? > > The BIOS demands that they are there. At least some modern BIOSes > don't do well when they aren't there. Any BIOS that demands they are there is broken and violating IBM AT compatibility. Very few bioses actually have problems if they are not there, just so long as 0xaa55 is there and the code in the sector runs correctly. > > It is the PC-AT architecture to be more specific. No, it is not, see other email. > : We've been successfully using DD mode for years now, if slices are "demanded" > : what kind of voodoo have we been using? > > The problem is the bogus MBR that the DD writes confuses some BIOSes > and causes your disks to be non-bootable. This is true. It is the _BOGUS_ mbr that is giving those bioses that violate the specs and try to parse the partition table. If you use a _VALID_ partition table starting at sector 0 these BIOS tend to work correctly with a dangeriously dedicated disk. > > : Is there some way or ways in which the 4-slot table is superior to DD-mode? > > The 4 slot table already is there in DD mode. It just happens to > contain completely bogus data. And that is the problem, not the DD mode, it is the bogus data. Usually just adjusting the end address of the bogus data to be cylinder alligned will fix the non-boot problem on machines with a broken BIOS. -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 12:37:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5878537B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:37:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAKKb9L97924; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:37:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:37:09 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200011202037.eAKKb9L97924@earth.backplane.com> To: Michael Lucas Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cd /usr/ports; make clean References: <20001118231633.A85206@evilcode.com> <200011190635.eAJ6ZRS94516@grumpy.dyndns.org> <20001118230305.A83848@evilcode.com> <20001119151138.A7434@bsdvm.jtjang.idv.tw> <200011192202.eAJM2cG03593@billy-club.village.org> <200011192239.eAJMdDa90818@earth.backplane.com> <200011192308.eAJN8q714360@whizzo.transsys.com> <200011192324.eAJNO1891133@earth.backplane.com> <20001120074553.A1776@blackhelicopters.org> <200011201647.eAKGlt195958@earth.backplane.com> <20001120121245.A2778@blackhelicopters.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : :On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:47:55AM -0800, Matt Dillon wrote: :> Can MASTER_SITE_OVERRIDE be a file path? Or does it have to be :> a site? : :I'd say "yes." : :==ml Very cool! -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 12:57: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B599837B6DF for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:56:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAKKtTi84150; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:55:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200011202023.MAA19454@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:56:02 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated Cc: (Roelof Osinga) , stable@FreeBSD.org, (Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group) , (Brandon Fosdick) , (Warner Losh) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 20-Nov-00 Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> In message <3A180EA0.31926227@glue.umd.edu> Brandon Fosdick writes: >> : So we're going to be stuck with MS style partitions on machines that only >> : run >> : FreeBSD? I don't like this idea. >> >> First, these aren't MS style partitions. They are part of the PC >> spec. FreeBSD is lying to the BIOS with the MBR that we put onto the >> disk, and that causes problems. > > Seems people are getting very confused here about what the BIOS cares > about and what cares about the partition table, what the specs say and > what software is actually doing what. This is true, but incomplete. :( To help deal with the problem of getting the BIOS to use a geometry that is the same as the one the OS uses to talk to it, some newer SCSI BIOS's examine the MBR to extract the geometry from that and then talk in that geometry. In this way, they can conform to any valid MBR, and you don't have problems with the geometry of the drive and the MBR being out of sync. Our bogus MBR in boot1 that is used by dangerously dedicated mode breaks this though, resulting in machines whose BIOS get a divide by zero fault when they try to read from the disk. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 13:29:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from resnetnt.resnet.uconn.edu (resnet.resnet.uconn.edu [137.99.156.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48AD937B4F9 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:29:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by resnetnt.resnet.uconn.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:26:37 -0500 Message-ID: <9F36E367710D474E9806AA393FE737FB019EC8@resnetnt.resnet.uconn.edu> From: Peter Lai To: "'Thierry.Herbelot@alcatel.fr '" Cc: "''stable@freebsd.org' '" Subject: RE: lnc0 and AT1500 NICs Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:26:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just tried the 4.2 RELEASE floppies and lnc0 still fails to initialise. lnc0 is picked up by slackware at 0x300, IRQ 11,DMA 7 -----Original Message----- From: Thierry.Herbelot@alcatel.fr To: Peter Lai Cc: 'stable@freebsd.org' Sent: 11/20/2000 4:18 AM Subject: Re: lnc0 and AT1500 NICs Hello, there has been a bug the the pcn driver which inhibited the use of the lnc driver. this bug has been corrected recently. If you can get a newer floppy set, you may have a better luck installing FreeBSD via a lnc NIC TfH Peter Lai on 20/11/2000 00:26:10 To: "'stable@freebsd.org'" cc: (bcc: Thierry HERBELOT/FR/ALCATEL) Subject: lnc0 and AT1500 NICs I have a slackware system that I am converting to FreeBSD 4.1.1 I would like to do a network install via ftp. I have an AT1500 NIC (ISA) which evidently works with a lance-amd driver (in linux). I selected `lnc0' in the initial kernel startup menu (after mfsroot loads). I try to get an IP from the DHCP server which has worked in the freebsd box sitting next to this one. The DEBUG screen shows that lnc0 fails to initialise, and then finally after multiple attemtps, it says `unable to run DAD, possible driver problem?'. Is there some hack to get this NIC working? the AT1500 is listed in the handbook as definately compatible. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 13:46:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lafontaine.cybercable.fr (lafontaine.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7CED537B4CF for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:46:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9874671 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2000 21:42:39 -0000 Received: from s011.dhcp212-229.cybercable.fr (HELO gits.dyndns.org) ([212.198.229.11]) (envelope-sender ) by lafontaine.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 20 Nov 2000 21:42:39 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by gits.dyndns.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAKLgbi43892; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:42:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from clefevre@cybercable.fr) Original-Sender: Cyrille Lefevre Original-Sender: Cyrille Lefevre To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: kernel breackage in machine/atomic.h X-Face: V|+c;4!|B?E%BE^{E6);aI.[<97Zd*>^#%Y5Cxv;%Y[PT-LW3;A:fRrJ8+^k"e7@+30g0YD0*^^3jgyShN7o?a]C la*Zv'5NA,=963bM%J^o]C From: Cyrille Lefevre Reply-To: Cyrille Lefevre Mail-Copies-To: never Date: 20 Nov 2000 22:42:31 +0100 Message-ID: <8zqemibc.fsf@gits.dyndns.org> Lines: 37 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Channel Islands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi everybody, I'm currently running 4.x-stable. I've just updated my src tree. for instance, all seems to be fine but the kernel building using the old (config, etc.) or the new method (make buildkernel). FYI, I've already updated the root tree (make install) and /etc (mergemaster). the symptom is : cc -c -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-builtin -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -g -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -fomit-frame-pointer ../../i386/i386/atomic.c In file included from ../../i386/i386/atomic.c:47: machine/atomic.h: In function `atomic_set_char': machine/atomic.h:106: inconsistent operand constraints in an `asm' ... vers.c is : [snip] char sccspad[32 - 4 /* sizeof(sccs) */] = { '\0' }; char sccs[4] = { '@', '(', '#', ')' }; char version[] = "FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE #7: Mon Nov 20 21:36:29 CET 2000\n root@gits:/disk2/4.0-stable/src/sys/compile/GENERIC\n"; char ostype[] = "FreeBSD"; char osrelease[] = "4.2-RELEASE"; int osreldate = 420000; cc -v gives : Using builtin specs. gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release) any ideas ? thanks by advance. Cyrille. -- home: mailto:clefevre@citeweb.net work: mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre@edf.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 13:52: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from atlas.bit.net.au (atlas.bit.net.au [203.18.94.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D3D37B4D7 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:51:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pdh@localhost) by atlas.bit.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eAKLpUS03758; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:51:30 +1000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:51:30 +1000 From: Phil Homewood To: FreeBSD Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel Message-ID: <20001121075130.C30239@atlas.bit.net.au> References: <200011201332.eAKDWTB68389@cwsys.cwsent.com> <200011201458.IAA44992@KIWI-Computer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011201458.IAA44992@KIWI-Computer.com>; from freebsd@KIWI-Computer.com on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:58:50AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD wrote: > The problem with the fdisk slices is that there is only room for 4 ... > disklabel gives us 8, no wait.. 6 if you have a swap and 5 if you don't. /dev/ad0s1a 1016303 48960 886039 5% / /dev/ad0s1g 1016303 111742 823257 12% /home /dev/ad0s1d 3175478 1 2921439 0% /storage /dev/ad0s1h 2032623 763713 1106301 41% /usr /dev/ad0s1e 508143 31314 436178 7% /var /dev/ad0s1f 127023 4726 112136 4% /var/log Mind you, I recall having up to 'j' on an old, pre-slices 2.x system. Or was that my 1.1.5.1 box? A long time ago, anyway. :-) > I've never been a fan of this. May I make a recommendation (flame away, > boys): redo disklabel while we're at it. it seems counter-intuitive to > me, as well as wasteful, to make partition "c" the whole disk and skip "d" > altogether. IMHO, "da0s1" should refer to the whole disk, "da0s1a" should > be the first physical partition, "da0s1b" the second partition, etc. down > to "h". This gives us 8 partitions of any type: swap or FS. Sounds good to me. Another question: Where does that "8" limit come from? I /know/ I've used >8 partitions many years ago... > One more gripe: why was s1 chosen to be the first logical slice and not > s0? Did we computer scientists start counting with 1 by accident? That's mystified me, too. -- Phil Homewood pdh@asiaonline.net Senior Technician +61 7 3620 1930 Asia Online (Queensland) http://www.asiaonline.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 13:57:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41A737B4C5; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:57:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19653; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:57:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200011202157.NAA19653@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-Reply-To: <200011201537.RAA25621@siri.nordier.com> from Robert Nordier at "Nov 20, 2000 05:37:39 pm" To: rnordier@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:57:00 -0800 (PST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Greg Lehey wrote: > > > > Why do you *insist* on calling it a "Microsoft partition table"?? > > > > Hmm. I was going to say "Because it was introduced with Microsoft > > 2.0", but I'm no longer so sure. Reading the MS-DOS 2.11 source code, > > it seems that they didn't have a partition table at the time. > > Of course they had a partition table at the time, and of course > MS-DOS 2.11 used it: > > [io.sys] > 1431 8d9fbe01 lea bx,[bx+0x1be] > 1435 8b4740 mov ax,[bx+0x40] > 1438 3d55aa cmp ax,0xaa55 > 143b 7539 jnz 0x1476 > 143d b90400 mov cx,0x4 > 1440 807f0401 cmp byte [bx+0x4],0x1 > 1444 7407 jz 0x144d > 1446 83c310 add bx,byte +0x10 > 1449 e2f5 loop 0x1440 > 144b eb29 jmp short 0x1476 Thank you for digging this out, it saved me the time. This goes to show that infact the FUD in this whole discussion is that the partition table is handled by the BIOS. The above code validates the signature and finds the active partition in the MBR. (There is similiar code in the MS and PC DOS MBR code to find boot1, but again this is the MBR code, NOT THE BIOS). Let me state this one more time loudly for those calling themselves boot code experts. THE PARTITION TABLE IN THE MBR IS NOT DEALT WITH BY THE BIOS, BIOSES THAT TRY TO MAKE HEADS OR TALES OF PARTITION TABLES ARE TECHNICALLY BROKEN AND VIOLATE IBM AT COMPATIBILITY. If you doubt this go read about BIOS service 19H, IPL load. And to further enlighten us all here is the IBM fixed disk BIOS code from the original IBM XT: H4: JMP BOOT_LOCN H5: SUB AX,AX ; reset diskette SUB DX,DX INT 13H MOV CX, 3 ; set retry count H6: PUSH CX ; save retry count MOV DX,0080H ; fixed disk zero SUB AX,AX ; reset the fixed disk INT 13H ; file I/O call JC H7 ; if error, try again MOX AX, 0201H ; read in the single sector SUB BX,BX MOV ES,BX MOV BX, offset BOOT_LOCN MOV DX,80H ; drive number MOV CX,1 ; sector 1, track 0 INT 13H ; file I/O call H7: POP CX ; recover retry count JC H8 MOV AX, word ptr BOOT_LOC+510D CMP AX, 0AA55H ; test for generic boot block JZ H4 Now perhaps Intel did some really stupid stuff in the IA64 specs that now make this a function of the BIOS, but as far as IBM PC compatible systems go the partition table is _NOT_ dealt with by the BIOS, it is dealt with by the MBR code and whatever the MBR code loads. Any BIOS that looks at more than 0xAA55 at offset 510 of the MBR is _NOT_ IBM PC/XT/AT compatible! -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 14: 3:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nebula.cybercable.fr (d217.dhcp212-126.cybercable.fr [212.198.126.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F05D37B4E5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:03:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mux@localhost) by nebula.cybercable.fr (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAKM4Qn07196 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:04:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mux) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:04:26 +0100 From: Maxime Henrion To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: NOSUIDPERL=true ignored Message-ID: <20001120230426.A7100@nebula.cybercable.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have NOSUIDPERL= true in my /etc/make.conf. However, I noticed I have suidperl and sperl binaries on my system. Is this flag broken ? I know there was some modifications in the Perl building procedure. Regards, Maxime Henrion -- Don't be fooled by cheap finnish imitations ; BSD is the One True Code To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 14:12: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shalimar.net.au (shalimar.net.au [198.142.161.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D536B37B4CF for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:11:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from shalimar.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shalimar.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eAKMBUR29499; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:11:31 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from count@shalimar.net.au) From: Zero Sum Organization: Tobacco Chewers and Body Painters Association. Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:11:29 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG To: Roelof Osinga , Jordan Hubbard References: <69743.974694574@winston.osd.bsdi.com> <3A198537.5AED652@eboa.com> In-Reply-To: <3A198537.5AED652@eboa.com> Subject: Re: RC1 install size MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00112109112902.29201@shalimar.net.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 21 November 2000 07:10, Roelof Osinga wrote: > Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > > > ... > > Erm, well, let's just get one thing straight first: There's only one > > release candidate currently under test and that's RC2. It's only > > available on ONE place and in ONE form, an ISO image, so there's > > really only: > > > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/4.2-RC2-install.iso > > > > to test when we refer to "FTP sites." Anything else is pretty much > > irrelevant at this stage in the game since it's obsolete. I also > > announced RC2 on this mailing list so you should know about it and the > > location it's being offered from. > > Got no CD drive in that box. But I'll put one in. Downloading the > ISO as we speak. Albeit from the dutch mirror. Anyway, the reason > I put my comments here instead of as PR was that I wasn't certain > they would amount to much. > Can't you just mount the ISO image? Do you actually have to install the drive? > Just things that struck me as odd. Talking about odd, what I also > consider to be odd is that the option All doesn't give All. Mind > you I just checked with Greg's Book and the figure (5.4 Distribution > selection menu @ p.79, 3rd edition) does not show the All option. > I's broken and has been for a while. Geoff -- count@shalimar.net.au Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 14:24: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7768A37B4D7 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA15939; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:23:49 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda15937; Mon Nov 20 14:23:38 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAKMNXM16421; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdg16419; Mon Nov 20 14:23:04 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eAKMN3571466; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:23:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011202223.eAKMN3571466@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdp71430; Mon Nov 20 14:22:12 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: Maxime Henrion Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NOSUIDPERL=true ignored In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:04:26 +0100." <20001120230426.A7100@nebula.cybercable.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:22:11 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20001120230426.A7100@nebula.cybercable.fr>, Maxime Henrion writes: > Hi, > > I have NOSUIDPERL= true in my /etc/make.conf. However, I noticed I have suidp > erl > and sperl binaries on my system. Is this flag broken ? I know there was some > modifications in the Perl building procedure. Take a look again. The binaries are there but the setuid bits aren't set. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 14:24:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from benevolence.rootnode.com (rootnode.com [24.144.16.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CFCA37B4D7 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:24:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from benevolence.rootnode.com (joe@benevolence.rootnode.com [192.168.137.1]) by benevolence.rootnode.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAKMO0O07920 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:24:00 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:24:00 -0600 (CST) From: joe@OpenSoftwareServices.com X-Sender: joe@benevolence.rootnode.com Reply-To: joe@OpenSoftwareServices.com To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Panic during disconnect of USB LPT device Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've experienced a repeatable panic apparently related to the USB code. I'm running 4.2-BETA from sources cvsup'ed late the afternoon of Nov 15th. FreeBSD 4.2-BETA #0: Wed Nov 15 20:46:36 CST 2000 root@benevolence.rootnode.com:/x1/obj/usr/src/sys/ABUNDANCE uhci0: port 0xd400-0xd41f irq 6 at device 4.2 on pci0 usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ulpt0: Xerox Xerox DocuPrint N2125 USB, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 2, iclass 7/1 I am using lpd and a standard printcap entry specifying /dev/ulpt0 as the printer device. No filter specified. It seems that if lpd(8) has the ulpt0 device open and is writing to it while the usb cable is unplugged from the printer, it panics. I cannot provide the output of the panic dump at the moment but will attempt to tonight. I discovered this while rebooting while a large job was in the lpd spool. LPD started printing again upon boot, and I didn't want the job, so I yanked the cable. Panic, immediately after the "ulpt0: disconnected" message on the console. Since the machine was down, I tried it a couple of times with the same result. Other than that, printing via USB works great. Note the strange IRQ (6) that the BIOS chose for the USB controller. I don't know why it did that (stupid intel architecture). The FDC is enabled, but there's no floppy drive connected. Perhaps the BIOS disables it if there isn't a drive. ata0 irq14 242068 3 ata1 irq15 110948 1 mux irq6 4434445 57 fxp0 irq5 4843 0 dpt0 irq10 103616 1 atkbd0 irq1 39 0 ppc0 irq7 1 0 clk irq0 7743843 99 rtc irq8 9912513 128 uhci0: port 0xd400-0xd41f irq 6 at device 4.2 on pci0 xl0: <3Com 3c905-TX Fast Etherlink XL> port 0xd000-0xd03f irq 6 at device 9.0 on pci0 dc0: <82c169 PNIC 10/100BaseTX> port 0xb000-0xb0ff mem 0xe1000000-0xe10000ff irq 6 at device 13.0 on pci0 This IRQ sharing doesn't seem to adversely affect any of these devices, although xl0 isn't in active use. I'll attempt to provide a more detailed dump later tonight. Thanks for your time, Joe -------+--+---++-+---+-+-++--+++ ++++ ++ + + + ++ + + Joe Koberg PO BOX 24306 Open Software Services, LLC Little Rock AR 72221-4603 joe@OpenSoftwareServices.com (501) 258-3673 http://OpenSoftwareServices.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 14:26:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peitho.fxp.org (peitho.fxp.org [209.26.95.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE25837B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:26:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by peitho.fxp.org (Postfix, from userid 1501) id D08C81360E; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:26:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:26:54 -0500 From: Chris Faulhaber To: Maxime Henrion Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NOSUIDPERL=true ignored Message-ID: <20001120172654.A85136@peitho.fxp.org> Mail-Followup-To: Chris Faulhaber , Maxime Henrion , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20001120230426.A7100@nebula.cybercable.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001120230426.A7100@nebula.cybercable.fr>; from mux@qualys.com on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 11:04:26PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 11:04:26PM +0100, Maxime Henrion wrote: > Hi, > > I have NOSUIDPERL= true in my /etc/make.conf. However, I noticed I have suidperl > and sperl binaries on my system. Is this flag broken ? I know there was some > modifications in the Perl building procedure. > RELENG_4 and HEAD now use ENABLE_SUIDPERL to enable the suid bit on /usr/bin/suidperl, otherwise, it is not installed suid by default. -- Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 14:29:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738BC37B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:29:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19805; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:28:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200011202228.OAA19805@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated In-Reply-To: <200011202023.MAA19454@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at "Nov 20, 2000 12:23:02 pm" To: freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:28:50 -0800 (PST) Cc: imp@village.org (Warner Losh), bfoz@glue.umd.edu (Brandon Fosdick), Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca (Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group), stable@FreeBSD.ORG, roelof@eboa.com (Roelof Osinga) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ... > > Second, the amount of space wasted is nearly 0 (32k on most IDE disks, > > 64k on scsi). > > The wasted space is exactly 1 track - 1 block. Whoopsss... forgot about the waste at end of the disk, which can be quite large, and is variable upto 1 cylinder - 1 block, and can be as much as 8MB. -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 14:32:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5EF37B4C5; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:32:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAKMW6H87833; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:32:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200011202157.NAA19653@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:32:39 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org, rnordier@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 20-Nov-00 Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> Greg Lehey wrote: >> >> > > Why do you *insist* on calling it a "Microsoft partition table"?? >> > >> > Hmm. I was going to say "Because it was introduced with Microsoft >> > 2.0", but I'm no longer so sure. Reading the MS-DOS 2.11 source code, >> > it seems that they didn't have a partition table at the time. >> >> Of course they had a partition table at the time, and of course >> MS-DOS 2.11 used it: >> >> [io.sys] >> 1431 8d9fbe01 lea bx,[bx+0x1be] >> 1435 8b4740 mov ax,[bx+0x40] >> 1438 3d55aa cmp ax,0xaa55 >> 143b 7539 jnz 0x1476 >> 143d b90400 mov cx,0x4 >> 1440 807f0401 cmp byte [bx+0x4],0x1 >> 1444 7407 jz 0x144d >> 1446 83c310 add bx,byte +0x10 >> 1449 e2f5 loop 0x1440 >> 144b eb29 jmp short 0x1476 > > Thank you for digging this out, it saved me the time. This goes to show > that infact the FUD in this whole discussion is that the partition table > is handled by the BIOS. The above code validates the signature and finds > the active partition in the MBR. (There is similiar code in the MS and PC > DOS MBR code to find boot1, but again this is the MBR code, NOT THE BIOS). > > Let me state this one more time loudly for those calling themselves boot > code experts. THE PARTITION TABLE IN THE MBR IS NOT DEALT WITH BY THE BIOS, > BIOSES THAT TRY TO MAKE HEADS OR TALES OF PARTITION TABLES ARE TECHNICALLY > BROKEN AND VIOLATE IBM AT COMPATIBILITY. If you doubt this go read about > BIOS service 19H, IPL load. Go rewrite Adaptec's SCSI firmware and replace all the b0rked BIOS's out in the field. Then come back with a productive answer. Thank you. I really wish you would go read all the archives for the actual real world issues. The PC arch has changed and acquired new 'de facto' standards since 1980. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 14:38:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shalimar.net.au (shalimar.net.au [198.142.161.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E0E37B4CF; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:38:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from shalimar.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shalimar.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eAKMXqR29594; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:33:56 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from count@shalimar.net.au) From: Zero Sum Organization: Tobacco Chewers and Body Painters Association. Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:33:52 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Cc: Ben Hacker Jr , list DC-FBSD , questions FBSD , Stable FBSD To: scotty@klement.dstorm.net, Kent Stewart References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Help with Sound. FBSDv4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00112109335203.29201@shalimar.net.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 21 November 2000 06:04, scotty@klement.dstorm.net wrote: > On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Kent Stewart wrote: > > Ben Hacker Jr wrote: > > > > > > Any help will be greatly appreciated! > > > > > > file. It says the device is not available or it > > > cannot find the device. I assume it is talking > > > about the /dev/[sound device] > > > > > What I didn't see was a list of your links that are produced when you > > reboot and run > > > > cd /dev > > ./MAKEDEV snd0. > > > > Kent > > Since his dmesg output shows "pcm1" as being the sound device, shouldn't > it be ./MAKEDEV snd1? > That is what worked for me. Dunno *why* it si 1 rather than 0 though... Geoff -- count@shalimar.net.au Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 15: 2:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.eastlink.ca (syd.eastlink.ca [24.222.47.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A5E37B4C5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:02:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from process.dhs.org (dest@u56n134.hfx.eastlink.ca [24.222.56.134]) by mail.eastlink.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA09950 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:02:45 -0400 From: Craig Hawco Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:04:45 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <3A19877F.2B5D18BF@gci.net> <200011202024.NAA26918@harmony.village.org> In-Reply-To: <200011202024.NAA26918@harmony.village.org> Subject: Re: FBSD src/version info. MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00112019044500.98173@process.dhs.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG And on that note... will someone commit a new newvers.sh and officially usher in 4.2-STABLE? Please! Craig On Monday 20 November 2000 16:24, you wrote: > In message <3A19877F.2B5D18BF@gci.net> Jason Neumann writes: > : I am wondering where I can look at /usr/src and find out what version of > : the src I have (4.1.1-STABLE 4.2-BETA, 4.2-RELEASE) etc. > > Assuming that it was all checked out at the same time, which you > cannot easily devine, you can look at /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh > > Warner > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- --------------- Craig Hawco To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 15:15:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from front001.cluster1.charter.net (outbound.charter.net [24.216.159.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD89837B4C5; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:15:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [24.217.128.203] (HELO charter.net) by front001.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.3.2a) with ESMTP id 7261434; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:15:19 -0500 Message-ID: <3A19B087.8D169943@charter.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:15:19 -0600 From: Dave Uhring X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 i86pc) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nate Williams Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , Mike Smith , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel (was: Re: Dangerously Dedicated) References: <200011201347.eAKDl7F12951@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <200011201410.eAKEAUQ68747@cwsys.cwsent.com> <14873.24098.233002.62004@nomad.yogotech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nate Williams wrote: > > > > > As the PC architecture requires, just use an fdisk partition rather > > > > than a disklabel slice (slices are what UNIX vendors call them). For > > > > that matter I'd be happy if we removed disklabel from the picture > > > > entirely. I think that should be our goal. The architecture requires > > > > an fdisk label and disklabel is redundant. It seems like a no-brainer > > > > to me, just remove support for disklabel entirely. Simple and end of > > > > argument. > > > > > > This is painful for lots of other reasons, and the counter-argument is > > > that this is change for change's sake rather than change to a useful end. > > > > Not necessarily. Many people complain about the redundancy of > > partitions and slices. Let's remove one level as the suggest. As the > > PC architecture uses fdisk partitions, let's use that. No more > > arguments. > > That's not good enough. The PC architecture limits us to 4-total > partitions, which isn't good enough. It's not even good enough for M$, > so they invented 'extended partitions, which is a M$-only feature. > > Nate Not M$-only feature. My Slackware Linux installation is entirely within slice 4 (extended). In Linux terms, /dev/hda5 - /dev/hda10. And I place my vote for modding FreeBSD to be able to use the same type of partitioning. Four primary disk slices is hardly enough on the large drives available now, particularly since only Linux and Windoze can use extended slices. Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 15:19:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7342937B4C5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:18:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAKNEm271251; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:44:48 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:44:48 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: John Summerfield Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001121094447.Y58333@echunga.lemis.com> References: <200011201003.eAKA3RS01865@possum.os2.ami.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011201003.eAKA3RS01865@possum.os2.ami.com.au>; from summer@OS2.ami.com.au on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 06:03:27PM +0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 20 November 2000 at 18:03:27 +0800, John Summerfield wrote: > > grog@lemis.com said: >> On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 23:57:25 -0800, David O'Brien wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 02:53:04PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >> >> If >> it shows valid partitions, you're using a Microsoft partition table. >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> Greg, can you read English?? Can you comprehend it?? Are you bind >> and in >> a write-only mode?? >> For the last time IT IS NOT A MICROSOFT PARTITION TABLE but a PC BIOS >> PARTITION TABLE AND DICTATED BY THE INTEL x86 PLATFORM. THEY ARE ALSO >> REQUIRED BY THE IA-64 PLATFORM. > >> Why do you *insist* on calling it a "Microsoft partition table"?? > >> Hmm. I was going to say "Because it was introduced with Microsoft >> 2.0", but I'm no longer so sure. Reading the MS-DOS 2.11 source code, >> it seems that they didn't have a partition table at the time. Can >> anybody remember when it was introduced? > > Nothing to do with the PC BIOS: > 1. The PC did not support fixed disks (introduced with the XT). The PC > understood floppy disks and cassette tape. Well, yes, there were various PCs. I was implicitly referring to the XT in this case. > 2. The BIOS has enough intelligence to read the first sector from a disk and > then jmp into it. This sector is called the Master Boot Record, and it > contains the original partition table and code with enough intelligence to > find the active partition, read a teensy bit of it (using BIOS calls) and pass > control to the code read in this manner. > > If you want a dedicated BSD disk, you replace this code with equivalent code > to find where BSD lives. Or Solaris. > > In the original implementation of these partitions, one could have no more > than four. Of these, only one could be active and so PCDOS/MSDOS didn't need > code to navigate much partition table. > > As to who concocted it, it was Microsoft and/or IBM. > > What uses this format natively? All the DOS family down to Windows 2000|ME and > OS/2. And Linux. And the CP/M family. > > There is some dissension wrt extended partitions - MS keeps on introducing new > codes for partition types. Thanks for the summary. I think you're inaccurate in stating that it has nothing to do with the PC BIOS, however. Agreed, that wasn't the origin, but this whole issue has come to a head because of BIOS involvement. > Here are the partition types Linux fdisk recognises: > > [root@emu /root]# fdisk > Using /dev/hda as default device! > > Command (m for help): l > > 0 Empty c Win95 FAT32 (LB 64 Novell Netware a6 OpenBSD > 1 DOS 12-bit FAT e Win95 FAT16 (LB 65 Novell Netware a7 NEXTSTEP > 2 XENIX root f Win95 Extended 75 PC/IX b7 BSDI fs > 3 XENIX usr 11 Hidden DOS FAT1 80 Old MINIX b8 BSDI swap > 4 DOS 16-bit <32M 14 Hidden DOS FAT1 81 Linux/MINIX c7 Syrinx > 5 Extended 16 Hidden DOS FAT1 82 Linux swap db CP/M > 6 DOS 16-bit >=32 17 Hidden OS/2 HPF 83 Linux native e1 DOS access > 7 OS/2 HPFS 40 Venix 80286 85 Linux extended e3 DOS R/O > 8 AIX 41 PPC PReP Boot 93 Amoeba eb BeOS fs > 9 AIX bootable 51 Novell? 94 Amoeba BBT f2 DOS secondary > a OS/2 Boot Manag 52 Microport a5 BSD/386 ff BBT > b Win95 FAT32 63 GNU HURD > > Command (m for help): > > How many are used natively, and how many under sufferance, I do not know. > > Note: this table is not completely accurate: the OS/2 definition of 0x07 is > "installable filesystem." It's usually HPFS, but need not be. There are other inaccuracies. It calls the FreeBSD partition type "BSD/386", and it doesn't know NetBSD (169/0xa9) and BSDi (forgotten which number). I've been meaning to submit patches for a while. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 15:21:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D9037B4D7; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:21:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19939; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:21:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200011202321.PAA19939@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-Reply-To: from John Baldwin at "Nov 20, 2000 02:32:39 pm" To: jhb@FreeBSD.org (John Baldwin) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:21:29 -0800 (PST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org, rnordier@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ... > > Let me state this one more time loudly for those calling themselves boot > > code experts. THE PARTITION TABLE IN THE MBR IS NOT DEALT WITH BY THE BIOS, > > BIOSES THAT TRY TO MAKE HEADS OR TALES OF PARTITION TABLES ARE TECHNICALLY > > BROKEN AND VIOLATE IBM AT COMPATIBILITY. If you doubt this go read about > > BIOS service 19H, IPL load. > > Go rewrite Adaptec's SCSI firmware and replace all the b0rked BIOS's out > in the > field. Then come back with a productive answer. Thank you. I really wish > you > would go read all the archives for the actual real world issues. The PC arch > has changed and acquired new 'de facto' standards since 1980. I am probably more informed of the real world issues than you know, having submitted problem reports to Adaptec, Symbios and DPT about improper implementations of the ``Plug and Play SCSI Specification'' version 1., March 30, 1994. Most commonly a divide by zero error due to copying verbatium the sample code in appendix A, ignoring the statement in section 8.1 which says ``Appendix A provides an example of how to determine the geometry''. The common bug found is that Head and EndHead are stored in a byte, and Endhead often has the value 255, Head = EndHead+1 stored in a byte is 0, leading to a div 0 error later in the code with you do cylinders=capacity/(Head*Sectors). This is a real bios bug and happens on any disk with a partition table that has an endhead value of 255, I have seen win95, NT and even MSDOS create these and cause a buggy 2940 to blow chunks. It just happens that FreeBSD tickles this bug because of the particular choice of EndHead in partition 4 (255). -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 15:23: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from camelot.bitart.com (BITart-45.BITart.com [206.103.221.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 28DEF37B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:23:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12962 invoked by uid 101); 20 Nov 2000 23:23:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20001120232303.12961.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.2mach v148) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.2mach (Enhance 2.2p1) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.148) From: Gerd Knops Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:23:03 -0600 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 4.2 Showstopper? Belkin KVM switch problems with FreeBSD 4.2 (Keyboard not found) Cc: Francisco Reyes Reply-To: gerti-freebsds@BITart.com Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Gang, Since I updated from 4.1 to 4.2RC1, my Belkin OmnieView Pro (F1D108-OSD) is not working properly anymore. The symptoms: If the system is rebooted while selected on the KVM switch, everything is fine. If the system is rebooted while another system is selected, the keyboard is not found: System selected: atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 Other system selected: atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 In an EMail to questions someone reported a similar problem. As I assume quite a number of people use Belkin KVMs, this is a serious problem. It could be argued that it is Belkin's problem, but considering the large base of installed KVMs I think FreeBSD should try to be KVM friendly. Gerd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 15:29:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3283737B4D7; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:29:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19970; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:29:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200011202329.PAA19970@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated In-Reply-To: from John Baldwin at "Nov 20, 2000 12:56:02 pm" To: jhb@FreeBSD.ORG (John Baldwin) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:29:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: roelof@eboa.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca, bfoz@glue.umd.edu, imp@village.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ... > > Seems people are getting very confused here about what the BIOS cares > > about and what cares about the partition table, what the specs say and > > what software is actually doing what. > > This is true, but incomplete. :( To help deal with the problem of getting the > BIOS to use a geometry that is the same as the one the OS uses to talk to it, > some newer SCSI BIOS's examine the MBR to extract the geometry from that and > then talk in that geometry. In this way, they can conform to any valid MBR, > and you don't have problems with the geometry of the drive and the MBR being > out of sync. Our bogus MBR in boot1 that is used by dangerously > dedicated mode > breaks this though, resulting in machines whose BIOS get a divide by zero > fault > when they try to read from the disk. The divide by zero fault is an actual BIOS implementation bug, and as far as I know Adaptec and Symbios have corrected their code. See other mail. -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 15:32: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com [171.71.163.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B21137B4E5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:31:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02448; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:31:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAKNVtG00803; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:31:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200011202331.eAKNVtG00803@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Craig Hawco Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FBSD src/version info. In-Reply-To: <00112019044500.98173@process.dhs.org> References: <3A19877F.2B5D18BF@gci.net> <200011202024.NAA26918@harmony.village.org> <00112019044500.98173@process.dhs.org> Comments: In-reply-to Craig Hawco message dated "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:04:45 -0400." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1375105102P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:31:55 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --==_Exmh_-1375105102P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Craig Hawco wrote: > will someone commit a new newvers.sh and officially usher in 4.2-STABLE? Done. Bruce. PS. Err...I hope I didn't overstep my bounds by doing that... --==_Exmh_-1375105102P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE6GbRr2MoxcVugUsMRAnHxAJ9CVNirL0AWFcvnbBIRvVNblG3xqgCeMO6j wqDFhhLj9I6IdYN99f6D3og= =K9oj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1375105102P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 15:40:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peitho.fxp.org (peitho.fxp.org [209.26.95.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB6D37B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:40:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by peitho.fxp.org (Postfix, from userid 1501) id C63AA1360E; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:40:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:40:50 -0500 From: Chris Faulhaber To: gerti-freebsds@BITart.com Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.2 Showstopper? Belkin KVM switch problems with FreeBSD 4.2 (Keyboard not found) Message-ID: <20001120184050.A67756@peitho.fxp.org> Mail-Followup-To: Chris Faulhaber , gerti-freebsds@BITart.com, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20001120232303.12961.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001120232303.12961.qmail@camelot.bitart.com>; from gerti@bitart.com on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 05:23:03PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 05:23:03PM -0600, Gerd Knops wrote: > Hi Gang, > > Since I updated from 4.1 to 4.2RC1, my Belkin OmnieView Pro > (F1D108-OSD) is not working properly anymore. The symptoms: If the > system is rebooted while selected on the KVM switch, everything is > fine. If the system is rebooted while another system is selected, the > keyboard is not found: > > System selected: > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 > atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 > kbd0 at atkbd0 > > Other system selected: > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 > See atkbd(4): bit 0 (FAIL_IF_NO_KBD) By default the atkbd driver will install even if a keyboard is not actually connected to the system. This option prevents the driver from being installed in this situation. -- Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 15:49:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30B337B4CF for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAKNl4Q90250; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:47:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20001120232303.12961.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:47:37 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Gerd Knops Subject: RE: 4.2 Showstopper? Belkin KVM switch problems with FreeBSD 4.2 Cc: Francisco Reyes , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 20-Nov-00 Gerd Knops wrote: > Hi Gang, > > Since I updated from 4.1 to 4.2RC1, my Belkin OmnieView Pro > (F1D108-OSD) is not working properly anymore. The symptoms: If the > system is rebooted while selected on the KVM switch, everything is > fine. If the system is rebooted while another system is selected, the > keyboard is not found: > > System selected: > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 > atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 > kbd0 at atkbd0 > > Other system selected: > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 > > In an EMail to questions someone reported a similar problem. > > As I assume quite a number of people use Belkin KVMs, this is a > serious problem. It could be argued that it is Belkin's problem, but > considering the large base of installed KVMs I think FreeBSD should try > to be KVM friendly. Compile a custom kernel and take 'flags 0x1' (detection of keyboards) out of the atkbd0 line. It is a weird problem with your KVM. My 4-port KVM (Belkin OmniCube) has no problems finding the keyboards on my 4 testboxes (2 stable and 2 current). Granted, this switch is using PS/2 keyboard and mouse ports. Perhaps it is something finicky with AT keyboards? Regardless, removing the 'flags 0x1' will fix your problem. The flag is needed so that people with USB keyboards have their keyboards recognized as the primary keyboard by the console driver on boot. > Gerd -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 16: 4:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shalimar.net.au (shalimar.net.au [198.142.161.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC5337B4C5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from shalimar.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shalimar.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eAL02SR31654; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:02:32 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from count@shalimar.net.au) From: Zero Sum Organization: Tobacco Chewers and Body Painters Association. Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:02:28 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: FreeBSD , Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , stable@FreeBSD.ORG To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , Stijn Hoop References: <200011201650.eAKGoYV69653@cwsys.cwsent.com> In-Reply-To: <200011201650.eAKGoYV69653@cwsys.cwsent.com> Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00112111022805.29201@shalimar.net.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 21 November 2000 03:49, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > In message <20001120170356.C74393@pcwin002.win.tue.nl>, Stijn Hoop > writes: > > On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:58:50AM -0600, FreeBSD wrote: > > > The problem with the fdisk slices is that there is only room for 4 ... > > > disklabel gives us 8, no wait.. 6 if you have a swap and 5 if you don't. > > > > > > I've never been a fan of this. May I make a recommendation (flame away, > > > boys): redo disklabel while we're at it. it seems counter-intuitive to > > > me, as well as wasteful, to make partition "c" the whole disk and skip "d" > > > altogether. IMHO, "da0s1" should refer to the whole disk, "da0s1a" should > > > be the first physical partition, "da0s1b" the second partition, etc. down > > > to "h". This gives us 8 partitions of any type: swap or FS. > > > > Hear, hear! I would really like to see this. Installing FreeBSD is that > > much more confusing due to the two-layered hierarchy... And even more so > > due to the conventions with the partitions (c, d, etc). If we cannot do > > away with the two layers, at least make the second layer more intuitive. > > What argument, other than 'it's been this way for ages' is there for the > > confusing a-h convention? And what arguments are there for disklabel > > on the i386 anyway? > > > > I'd like to see FreeBSD do the same as Linux on the i386 - use only > > the partition table, along with extended partitions. Do away with disklabel > > *on that platform*. > > > > Yes of course the alpha would differ from i386 in disk geometry then. But > > since the differences in setting up the alpha/i386 are already there, why > > the pretense in keeping them 'the same'? > > > > One of the most FAQs I've heard from linux'ees that tried FreeBSD is > > 'why can't I install to an extended partition?' Fact is when I hear that > > question, I also wonder myself... > > Extended partitions are the subdivision of one of the four partitions > in the fdisk table. Disklabel does that. We could rename disklabel > slices to extended partitions. IMO for most people the fdisk and > disklabel interfaces (commands) are redundant. All of this should be > done through sysinstall. Just as SVR4 has sysadm, and other O/S's have > condoned and supported by the vendor approaches to sysdmin, we should > encourage the use of sysinstall for all sysadmin activities. Sure keep > fdisk and disklabel around for those of us who like the bits-and-bytes. > > The short of it is that sysinstall should have one interface for > configuring disks, not two as it currently does. That one interface > should make the user think that we have a unified disk partitioning > look-and-feel just like NT and Linux do. > > To hide the architecture even further, device names in /dev would be > hidden by the use of symlinks or hard links. Those who want to > reference ad0s1a can. The rest of us can use names like disk0a or hd0a > ("a" specifies the first FreeBSD partition/slice found on the disk). > The disk0a or hd0a names would be independent of the type of device > driver being used SCSI, IDE, etc., it would just be a generic name. > The current naming convention would become esoteric and could be used > if needed. > > In a world where most people don't care about the architecture of an > operating system, I think that this would put a friendlier face on > FreeBSD. > > Yep. But it would wind up FreeMSDOS. Look a multi user networked operating system is not for the simple or uneducatable. Microsoft is busy proving that to the world. From the questions asked here and in Questions, the major problem people have is fundmental bits and bytes understanding of things. We should try and promote this understanding, not make it invisible except to "gurus". I have recently been trying to help a user with their installation. Their fundmental understanding is so poor that they cannot even answer questions like "please send me a copy of the output of the program 'dmesg'". It is a lost cause. I really doubt I can help this person. They are simply too used to point and click and won't calm down enough (or are unable) to answer questions. I do think that manipulating partitions in FreeBSD is rather harder than on any other Unix I have had to do it on. Moving things around in a dynamic and fluid way (which I have always consider part of tuning) is - difficult. Some better partition management tools would be rather useful. I'll think on this and maybe do something. Suggestions welcome and solicited. [Can I get arrested of soliciting on a mailing list?] Geoff -- count@shalimar.net.au Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 16:29:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from camelot.bitart.com (BITart-45.BITart.com [206.103.221.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2FBAF37B4CF for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:29:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13032 invoked by uid 101); 21 Nov 2000 00:29:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20001121002924.13031.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.2mach v148) In-Reply-To: X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.2mach (Enhance 2.2p1) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.148) From: Gerd Knops Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:29:23 -0600 To: John Baldwin Subject: Re: 4.2 Showstopper? Belkin KVM switch problems with FreeBSD 4.2 Cc: Francisco Reyes , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: gerti@BITart.com References: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Baldwin wrote: > On 20-Nov-00 Gerd Knops wrote: > > Hi Gang, > > > > Since I updated from 4.1 to 4.2RC1, my Belkin OmnieView Pro > > (F1D108-OSD) is not working properly anymore. The symptoms: If the > > system is rebooted while selected on the KVM switch, everything is > > fine. If the system is rebooted while another system is selected, > > the keyboard is not found: > > > > System selected: > > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 > > atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 > > kbd0 at atkbd0 > > > > Other system selected: > > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 > > > > In an EMail to questions someone reported a similar problem. > > > > As I assume quite a number of people use Belkin KVMs, this is a > > serious problem. It could be argued that it is Belkin's problem, > > but considering the large base of installed KVMs I think FreeBSD > > should try to be KVM friendly. > > Compile a custom kernel and take 'flags 0x1' (detection of keyboards) > out of the atkbd0 line. It is a weird problem with your KVM. My > 4-port KVM (Belkin OmniCube) has no problems finding the keyboards on > my 4 testboxes (2 stable and 2 current). Granted, this switch is > using PS/2 keyboard and mouse ports. Perhaps it is something finicky > with AT keyboards? Regardless, removing the 'flags 0x1' will fix your > problem. The flag is needed so that people with USB keyboards have > their keyboards recognized as the primary keyboard by the console > driver on boot. > Thanks, that solved it! Might warrant a note in /usr/src/UPDATING. Gerd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 16:31:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awww.jeah.net (awww.jeah.net [216.111.239.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9975037B4FE for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:31:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by awww.jeah.net (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAL0XLa04646 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:33:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:33:21 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Byrnes To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I recently went 4.1.1-stable to 4.2-release and now lots of passwords...don't work. Any ideas? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 16:37:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273F237B479; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:37:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAL0adS99764; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:36:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:36:39 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200011210036.eAL0adS99764@earth.backplane.com> To: Gerd Knops Cc: John Baldwin , Francisco Reyes , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.2 Showstopper? Belkin KVM switch problems with FreeBSD 4.2 References: <20001121002924.13031.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :.. :> using PS/2 keyboard and mouse ports. Perhaps it is something finicky :> with AT keyboards? Regardless, removing the 'flags 0x1' will fix your :> problem. The flag is needed so that people with USB keyboards have :> their keyboards recognized as the primary keyboard by the console :> driver on boot. :> :Thanks, that solved it! Might warrant a note in /usr/src/UPDATING. : :Gerd I've been wondering for a while now why I can't connect a keyboard up to a machine after it has booted... used to work, doesn't any more. Now I know. As much as I applaud the USB keyboard support, I think disabling the normal keyboard by default when it isn't found to be connected is a serious mistake. At the very least the normal keyboard driver should be installed if no other keyboard is found. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 16:41:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E4A937B4D7; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:41:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAL0fMQ27954; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:41:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA29483; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:41:22 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011210041.RAA29483@harmony.village.org> To: gerti@bitart.com Subject: Re: 4.2 Showstopper? Belkin KVM switch problems with FreeBSD 4.2 Cc: John Baldwin , Francisco Reyes , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:29:23 CST." <20001121002924.13031.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> References: <20001121002924.13031.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:41:21 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20001121002924.13031.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> Gerd Knops writes: : Thanks, that solved it! Might warrant a note in /usr/src/UPDATING. Send me a UPDATING entry. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 16:44:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCA737B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:44:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAL0hZe92108; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:43:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20001121002924.13031.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:43:35 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Gerd Knops Subject: Re: 4.2 Showstopper? Belkin KVM switch problems with FreeBSD 4.2 Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, Francisco Reyes Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 21-Nov-00 Gerd Knops wrote: > John Baldwin wrote: >> On 20-Nov-00 Gerd Knops wrote: >> > Hi Gang, >> > >> > Since I updated from 4.1 to 4.2RC1, my Belkin OmnieView Pro >> > (F1D108-OSD) is not working properly anymore. The symptoms: If the >> > system is rebooted while selected on the KVM switch, everything is >> > fine. If the system is rebooted while another system is selected, >> > the keyboard is not found: >> > >> > System selected: >> > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 >> > atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 >> > kbd0 at atkbd0 >> > >> > Other system selected: >> > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 >> > >> > In an EMail to questions someone reported a similar problem. >> > >> > As I assume quite a number of people use Belkin KVMs, this is a >> > serious problem. It could be argued that it is Belkin's problem, >> > but considering the large base of installed KVMs I think FreeBSD >> > should try to be KVM friendly. >> >> Compile a custom kernel and take 'flags 0x1' (detection of keyboards) >> out of the atkbd0 line. It is a weird problem with your KVM. My >> 4-port KVM (Belkin OmniCube) has no problems finding the keyboards on >> my 4 testboxes (2 stable and 2 current). Granted, this switch is >> using PS/2 keyboard and mouse ports. Perhaps it is something finicky >> with AT keyboards? Regardless, removing the 'flags 0x1' will fix your >> problem. The flag is needed so that people with USB keyboards have >> their keyboards recognized as the primary keyboard by the console >> driver on boot. >> > Thanks, that solved it! Might warrant a note in /usr/src/UPDATING. It has been in both stable and current since halfway between 4.0 and 4.1. :) > Gerd -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 16:46: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9F637B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:45:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAL0hZe92108; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:43:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20001121002924.13031.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:43:35 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Gerd Knops Subject: Re: 4.2 Showstopper? Belkin KVM switch problems with FreeBSD 4.2 Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, Francisco Reyes Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 21-Nov-00 Gerd Knops wrote: > John Baldwin wrote: >> On 20-Nov-00 Gerd Knops wrote: >> > Hi Gang, >> > >> > Since I updated from 4.1 to 4.2RC1, my Belkin OmnieView Pro >> > (F1D108-OSD) is not working properly anymore. The symptoms: If the >> > system is rebooted while selected on the KVM switch, everything is >> > fine. If the system is rebooted while another system is selected, >> > the keyboard is not found: >> > >> > System selected: >> > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 >> > atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 >> > kbd0 at atkbd0 >> > >> > Other system selected: >> > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 >> > >> > In an EMail to questions someone reported a similar problem. >> > >> > As I assume quite a number of people use Belkin KVMs, this is a >> > serious problem. It could be argued that it is Belkin's problem, >> > but considering the large base of installed KVMs I think FreeBSD >> > should try to be KVM friendly. >> >> Compile a custom kernel and take 'flags 0x1' (detection of keyboards) >> out of the atkbd0 line. It is a weird problem with your KVM. My >> 4-port KVM (Belkin OmniCube) has no problems finding the keyboards on >> my 4 testboxes (2 stable and 2 current). Granted, this switch is >> using PS/2 keyboard and mouse ports. Perhaps it is something finicky >> with AT keyboards? Regardless, removing the 'flags 0x1' will fix your >> problem. The flag is needed so that people with USB keyboards have >> their keyboards recognized as the primary keyboard by the console >> driver on boot. >> > Thanks, that solved it! Might warrant a note in /usr/src/UPDATING. It has been in both stable and current since halfway between 4.0 and 4.1. :) > Gerd -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 16:52:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from camelot.bitart.com (BITart-45.BITart.com [206.103.221.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1771F37B4D7 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:52:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13117 invoked by uid 101); 21 Nov 2000 00:52:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20001121005224.13116.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.2mach v148) In-Reply-To: <200011210041.RAA29483@harmony.village.org> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.2mach (Enhance 2.2p1) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.148) From: Gerd Knops Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:52:23 -0600 To: Warner Losh Subject: Re: 4.2 Showstopper? Belkin KVM switch problems with FreeBSD 4.2 Cc: John Baldwin , Francisco Reyes , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: gerti-freebsds@BITart.com References: <20001121002924.13031.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> <200011210041.RAA29483@harmony.village.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Warner Losh wrote: > In message <20001121002924.13031.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> Gerd Knops > writes: > : Thanks, that solved it! Might warrant a note in /usr/src/UPDATING. > > Send me a UPDATING entry. > Sure: KVM users heads up: In order to support USB keyboards the generic kernel does not install an atkbd0 driver if no keyboard is detected. Some KVMs fail to sufficiently emulate a keyboard, causing the system to fail to detect a keyboard if the system is not currently selected on the KVM switch. This can be avoided by removing the 'flags 0x1' portion in the atkbd0 line of the kernel configuration file, then building and installing a new kernel. Non-native speaker, so feel free to clean if felt necessary. Thanks Gerd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 17:12:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF1737B4D7 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:12:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAL193472081; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:39:03 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:39:03 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: David Gilbert Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can I expect INVARIANTS and VINUM to play well together? Message-ID: <20001121113903.C71779@echunga.lemis.com> References: <14873.24814.809777.555306@trooper.velocet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <14873.24814.809777.555306@trooper.velocet.net>; from dgilbert@velocet.ca on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 12:35:42PM -0500 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 20 November 2000 at 12:35:42 -0500, David Gilbert wrote: > Some time ago in stable, I removed INVARIANTS and INVARIANT_SUPPORT > from the kernel because vinum wasn't happy with this configuration. > I've now come back to a point in my debugging that I'd like to turn > these back on, but I need to know if VINUM will be happy with them. It's the first I've heard of it. Do you mean these entries in the kernel config file? # Configuring Vinum into the kernel is not necessary, since the kld # module gets started automatically when vinum(8) starts. This # device is also untested. Use at your own risk. # # see vinum(4) for more reasons not to use these options. pseudo-device vinum #Vinum concat/mirror/raid driver In any case, Vinum was developed with INVARIANTS and INVARIANT_SUPPORT, so I doubt this is your problem. If you do have problems, of course, you should tell me about them. I note that you've had problems with Vinum in the past, but this is the first time you mention INVARIANTS. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 17:25:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.wedgev.com (cm57-70.liwest.at [212.33.57.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B0737B4CF; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:25:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from wedge by smtp.wedgev.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1 (FreeBSD)) id 13y235-0008mN-00; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 02:16:39 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 02:16:39 +0100 From: Bernhard Valenti To: Zero Sum Cc: scotty@klement.dstorm.net, Kent Stewart , Ben Hacker Jr , list DC-FBSD , questions FBSD , Stable FBSD Subject: Re: Help with Sound. FBSDv4.2 Message-ID: <20001121021639.A33295@cipher.home.at> Reply-To: Bernhard Valenti References: <00112109335203.29201@shalimar.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00112109335203.29201@shalimar.net.au>; from count@shalimar.net.au on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 09:33:52AM +1100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 09:33:52AM +1100, Zero Sum wrote: > On Tuesday 21 November 2000 06:04, scotty@klement.dstorm.net wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Kent Stewart wrote: > > Since his dmesg output shows "pcm1" as being the sound device, shouldn't > > it be ./MAKEDEV snd1? > That is what worked for me. > Dunno *why* it si 1 rather than 0 though... probably because he has "device pcm0 at isa?..." in kernel, and the kernel reserves pcm0 for that. his card is pnp and so the kernel autodetects its irq/ port and assigns pcm1 to it. if you change it to "device pcm" the kernel will assign pcm0 to it. dont forget to run "./MAKEDEV snd0" with the new kernel. regards, bernhard valenti To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 17:34:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c1870039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9D437B4C5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:34:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA22266; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 02:33:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3A19D0F9.8EC13D1D@eboa.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 02:33:45 +0100 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zero Sum Cc: Jordan Hubbard , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RC1 install size References: <69743.974694574@winston.osd.bsdi.com> <3A198537.5AED652@eboa.com> <00112109112902.29201@shalimar.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Zero Sum wrote: > > ... > Can't you just mount the ISO image? Do you actually have to install the > drive? Probably, but I haven't done that (yet). Anyway, need the CD for an employee without 'Net access at home. > I's broken and has been for a while. That explains it. Mind you, whilest browsing the mailarchives I found to my dismay that the PowerCrypt card isn't (yet) supported. Just by OpenBSD for the moment. I suppose this hasn't been changed? Bit of a bummer in that I'd set my sights on including that card to boost SSL support. Ah well. Roelof To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 17:37:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAD837B4CF for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:37:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07021; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:36:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200011210136.SAA07021@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-Reply-To: <002901c0528b$e934d760$04e48486@marble> from Jim King at "Nov 19, 0 06:50:40 pm" To: jim@jimking.net (Jim King) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:36:53 -0700 (MST) Cc: grog@lemis.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Jim King wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: >>> Why is DD ever _needed_? >> Because Microsoft partition tables waste space. > > That's a really weak argument, given the price and size of drives > nowadays. That's really a weak argument, given that FreeBSD prides itself (at least, you'd think so from the blurbs on the CDs) on running in a small footprint. I've got 2.1.7 running on a Compaq 386/20 notebook with an 80meg hard drive. Granted, I don't do much with it, but it's =never= gonna get a bigger hard drive, no matter how much they cost. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 17:48:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7DCA37B4CF for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:48:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA98400; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:42:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200011210142.UAA98400@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Louis A. Mamakos" Cc: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:44:53 -0500 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: <200011201427.eAKERL757456@whizzo.transsys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New US CVSup mirrors Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:27:21 -0500, Louis A. Mamakos wrote: >So, pick a "close" mirror (and note that in the US, 3 new ones were just >added that are likely very underutilized) and move on to the next problem. That is basically ignoring the issue and sooner or later it will come back to hunt us.. As the user base grows it will become more and more critical to find better mechanisms to use underutilized servers. I tried two of the "new mirrors". One was too busy and the other was too slow even though it is relatively close (hops wise). In essense when new mirrors are added it is very possible that many people may give them a try and may overwhelm them. It is also possible that some of the previously existing sites made then be underutilized. I think the goal is in finding an intermediate point betwen complexity and improvements. I still think there may be some improvements if we had some type of serial indicator of a mirror's last update. Then allow clients to try a few mirrors in order and if it sees an older state than the client is then it ignores that mirror. What is wrong with that approach? francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 18: 1:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18CEC37B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA07181; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:01:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200011210201.TAA07181@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-Reply-To: <20001120060401.A9409@snark.ptc.spbu.ru> from "Valeriy E. Ushakov" at "Nov 20, 0 06:04:01 am" To: uwe@ptc.spbu.ru (Valeriy E. Ushakov) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:01:21 -0700 (MST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Valeriy E. Ushakov wrote: > On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 11:14:26 +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: >> At least remove the option from sysinstall so new users don't get >> stuck with it. > > Absolutely. The last time this got beat to death, John Baldwin suggested moving the option out from sysinstall, but adding it to fdisk. That way newbies wouldn't see it up front, but it would still be available to folks who knew what they were doing and wanted to do it. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 18:12:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from epsilon.lucida.ca (epsilon.lucida.ca [216.95.146.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8049D37B4C5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:12:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16540 invoked by uid 1000); 21 Nov 2000 02:12:14 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Nov 2000 02:12:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:12:07 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Heckaman X-Sender: matt@epsilon.lucida.ca To: Francisco Reyes Cc: "Louis A. Mamakos" , "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: New US CVSup mirrors In-Reply-To: <200011210142.UAA98400@sanson.reyes.somos.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost 1.6.2 0/1000/N Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Francisco Reyes wrote: ... : I tried two of the "new mirrors". One was too busy and the other was : too slow even though it is relatively close (hops wise). In essense : when new mirrors are added it is very possible that many people may : give them a try and may overwhelm them. It is also possible that some : of the previously existing sites made then be underutilized. I just switched here to cvsup9.freebsd.org. I am in Montreal Canada, on UUnet's network, and it's incredibly fast for me: 10 209.181.243.21 (209.181.243.21) 38.373 ms 39.691 ms 38.022 ms (0% loss) Just as fast downloading too, I'm quite thrilled. This is by far the best CVSup mirror I have come across for me. :) * Matt Heckaman - mailto:matt@lucida.qc.ca http://www.lucida.qc.ca/ * * GPG fingerprint - A9BC F3A8 278E 22F2 9BDA BFCF 74C3 2D31 C035 5390 * -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: http://www.lucida.qc.ca/pgp iD8DBQE6Gdn5dMMtMcA1U5ARAtrKAJ99XhTS8T1s6wvAbDr9guyj2fg+NgCgk1Ct GWQchNQmQRoWFmMYTpXHhHQ= =ufDZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 20:18: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94AC237B4CF; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:18:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07691; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:17:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200011210417.VAA07691@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated In-Reply-To: from Roman Shterenzon at "Nov 20, 0 02:50:49 pm" To: roman@harmonic.co.il (Roman Shterenzon) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:17:48 -0700 (MST) Cc: msmith@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Roman Shterenzon wrote: > This is a really long thread indeed. Yes, it is. It was last time, too. > Could someone sum it up, and say why the current way isn't good? As I understand it (and I'm sure someone will correct me): 1) The PC-BIOS uses a table embedded in the Master Boot Record (MBR) to locate the next layer of bootstrap code on the disk. This table is called the "partition" table by most non-UNIX documentation. FreeBSD calls it the "slice" table. FreeBSD doesn't use the BIOS for anything other than loading the bootstrap code, so all of this is only an issue early in the startup. 2) If you allow Microsoft's fdisk program to install an MBR, it builds one that wastes space. So do many other programs that try to perform the same function. The waste is caused, in part, by rounding a Logical Block Address (LBA) to a cylinder/head/sector (CHS) boundry at the end of the partitions, and reserving the first "track" on the drive. Since in modern drives, CHS and tracks are both fictional inventions (do you think your Segate Barracuda really has 63 heads?), some people are offended by the waste. Or, they're running from limited disk space such as memory cards or floppy disks and don't feel they can afford it. 4) "Dangerously Dedicated" (DD) disks do not have an MBR. Instead, the FreeBSD disk label (which contains the definition of what FreeBSD calls the partitions) sits where the MBR would have been. It has embedded in it a bogus slice table. This dummy table was sufficient to statisfy the BIOSs in general use at the time the code was written, since they only have to load the first block of the "active" slice and jump to it. 5) The BIOSs in some newer machines expect an actual, correct MBR. For example, the BIOS on a hardware RAID controller might get confused if all the drives attached to it don't have a "proper" MBR whilst trying to boot. 6) You can only generate a DD disk at system installation, or by using disklabel to hand-craft a partition table yourself. To summarize the summary: The problem comes from the fact that a PC-BIOS is permitted to insist on an MBR on each drive, and that the slices in that MBR align on certain boundries whereas FreeBSD doesn't care about such sillyness but has to use the BIOS to get launched. Simple solution? Don't use DD. Slightly less simple? Don't use DD on drives that are in any way involved with the boot process, but go ahead on data-only drives. If you fully understand your own hardware (many don't) and what it does at startup, go ahead and use DD. But don't expect to migrate the drive to some another system later and keep the data. Or to multi-boot several operating systems. My opinion? It would be good if the boot/disklabel/fdisk suite dealt with this cleaner. But unless you're jammed into it by tiny media or misbehavior on removable disks or something in that catagory, the space savings aren't worth it. > The sysinstall asks and warns about the "DD" mode, isn't that > sufficient? Apparently, not. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 20:23:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B9137B4C5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:23:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07756; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:23:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200011210423.VAA07756@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: WRKDIRPREFIX= (was: cd /usr/ports; make clean) In-Reply-To: <20001120151259.A23459@mail.nxe.de> from Nora Etukudo at "Nov 20, 0 03:12:59 pm" To: nora@sappho-net.de (Nora Etukudo) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:23:24 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Nora Etukudo wrote: > In the last years (exactly since 1994, where I converted from > UNIX System V to FreeBSD 1.1.5.1), I asked myself why isen't set > 'WRKDIRPREFIX=' to a tmp-directory by default? Because some of us like to keep the end product of a build around, in case we want/need to tweak the source and rebuild. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 20:30: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C270137B4C5; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:29:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAL4SYx73226; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:58:34 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:58:33 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001121145833.K71779@echunga.lemis.com> References: <20001120192044.Q58333@echunga.lemis.com> <200011201031.eAKAVqF12141@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <20001120125647.B58333@echunga.lemis.com> <200011200958.eAK9wqF11734@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <20001120112719.U58333@echunga.lemis.com> <200011200955.eAK9tiF11715@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <20001120112301.T58333@echunga.lemis.com> <200011200953.eAK9rtF11698@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011200953.eAK9rtF11698@mass.osd.bsdi.com>; from msmith@FreeBSD.ORG on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 01:53:55AM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 20 November 2000 at 1:55:44 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >>> I don't think that anyone will remove it from the kernel... >> >> OK, the more this thread continues, the more it's looking as if we're >> talking about different things. I don't have (much) of an objection >> to removing it from sysinstall. If that's all we're talking about, I >> don't have any further objections. But I still want to have the >> facility in the system. > > The ability to create disks which do not have a valid slice table > will go away. End of story. That's not what Jordan said yesterday. >> I wonder how long the current Microsoft partition table has to live, >> anyway? Sooner or later people are going to have to move to LBA >> addressing, or disks will get so big that the partition table can't >> address them. Then, hopefully, we'll be able to use a more sane >> layout. > > Geez Greg. You really don't have a damn clue about this, do you? Not the slightest. Are you being insulting because you have no other arguments? > Or have you conveniently overlooked the fact that the slice table > already *contains* an LBA field? No. It doesn't seem to help much in the fight against the 6 chs parameters, however. Have you "conveniently" overlooked them? The fact is that if we set them wrong, the BIOS complains. That's the whole issue we're discussing. On Monday, 20 November 2000 at 1:58:52 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >> On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 21:20:43 -0500, Mike O'Dell wrote: >>> >>> having partition tables on disks is just as much part of >>> the "PC architecture" as having to deal with the unpleasant >>> ealities of BIOS. use the hardware, play the game. >>> deal with it. >> >> Fine, if there's no alternative. But you're ignoring the fact that >> there is. We get rid of the BIOS as soon as we can after the boot. >> Why stick with the disk layout? Remember, I'm not saying "let's >> implement dedicated disks", I'm saying "let's not throw out dedicated >> disks". > > Just so that some poor sap that searches on this topic doesn't get > swamped by your FUD, I'll answer this question *again*. I wish you would stop talking about FUD. > Because the mere *presence* of a disk with a DD layout in the system > - not the boot disk, not even a disk ever accessed by the bootstrap > process - can and will in some cases cause standards-compliant > adapter firmware to *crash* or otherwise fail in a fashion which > renders the system unable to boot. For some loose definition of "standards compliant". I'd certainly disagree with this interpretation. But in my experience, and that of a large number of others, this is a very small number of systems. There are also BIOSes which fail to boot FreeBSD at all because they don't like the partition number (some ThinkPads). Should we accept this as a fact of life and go back to using some Microsoft-compatible layout instead? On Monday, 20 November 2000 at 2:31:52 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >>> Why do you *insist* on calling it a "Microsoft partition table"?? >> >> Hmm. I was going to say "Because it was introduced with Microsoft >> 2.0", but I'm no longer so sure. Reading the MS-DOS 2.11 source code, >> it seems that they didn't have a partition table at the time. Can >> anybody remember when it was introduced? > > AFAIR it was introduced with the IBM PC-DOS hard disk extensions; I > believe the format predates the PC and probably came from something > obscure like the System/34, or possibly one of the CP/M variants. Hmm. It's not impossible that it was related to the System/34, but I don't know that system at all. I'm pretty sure that it wasn't CP/M; by the time hard disks came to be partitioned, CP/M was all but dead. More likely, though, it was a new development. > Regardless of your bigoted outlook, it happens to be a platform > standard. Whether some long-retired Microsoft employee devised it > or not, it's the way that IAPC systems work. They also use the BIOS. Are you recommending that we drop our low-level kernel functionality and go back to using the BIOS? > ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his > rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want > to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force > people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E Hmm. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 20:35:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (c228380-a.sfmissn1.sfba.home.com [24.20.90.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6ACF37B4CF; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:35:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAL4gN900616; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:42:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011210442.eAL4gN900616@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: rnordier@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:57:00 PST." <200011202157.NAA19653@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:42:23 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Let me state this one more time loudly for those calling themselves boot > code experts. THE PARTITION TABLE IN THE MBR IS NOT DEALT WITH BY THE BIOS, > BIOSES THAT TRY TO MAKE HEADS OR TALES OF PARTITION TABLES ARE TECHNICALLY > BROKEN AND VIOLATE IBM AT COMPATIBILITY. If you doubt this go read about > BIOS service 19H, IPL load. It doesn't matter how loudly you shout, or what exactly you stuff in your ears. The fact is that this code exists, is part of the de-facto platform standard, and has to be dealt with as such. You are welcome to continue to dual-boot FreeBSD and PC-DOS 2.0. In the meantime, the rest of us are living in the real world, and dealing with real-world problems. Please let us get on with what has to be done. Thankyou. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 20:51:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD9E37B4CF for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:51:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07858; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:50:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200011210450.VAA07858@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel In-Reply-To: <200011201458.IAA44992@KIWI-Computer.com> from FreeBSD at "Nov 20, 0 08:58:50 am" To: freebsd@KIWI-Computer.com (FreeBSD) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:50:57 -0700 (MST) Cc: Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, FreeBSD wrote: > The problem with the fdisk slices is that there is only room for 4 ... > disklabel gives us 8, no wait.. 6 if you have a swap and 5 if you don't. No, 8. You've gotta count swap as a partition. +--------------- | 8 partitions: | # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] | a: 65536 0 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 31) | b: 196608 65536 swap # (Cyl. 32 - 127) | c: 4192256 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 2046) | d: 3192832 999424 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 488 - 2046) | e: 65536 262144 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 128 - 159) | f: 131072 327680 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 160 - 223) | g: 131072 458752 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 224 - 287) | h: 409600 589824 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 288 - 487) +--------------- > One more gripe: why was s1 chosen to be the first logical slice and not > s0? Did we computer scientists start counting with 1 by accident? No, Microsoft and/or IBM did it. > Those who have current systems won't have to rebuild their systems or > anything, just the sysinstaller should allocate logical partition > numbers in physical order, and build the fstab in such a way. You can put them in any order you like. If you don't care (like most newbies won't) it doesn't matter. If you do care, shuffle them to your little heart's content. Just accepting that you'll break a number of utilities if you don't leave "c" as the whole slice. :-) -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 20:59:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.itga.com.au (ns.itga.com.au [202.53.40.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40CD637B4CF for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:59:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by ns.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12749; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:59:16 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by lightning.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28469; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:59:15 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <200011210459.PAA28469@lightning.itga.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 From: Gregory Bond To: Phil Homewood Cc: FreeBSD , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:51:30 +1000. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:59:15 +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Another question: Where does that "8" limit come from? I /know/ I've > used >8 partitions many years ago... The limit of 8 goes _way way_ back - certainly to V7 Unix, probably to V6. We're talking mid-70s here. When all you have is a 5Mb drive, you don't need more than 8 partitions! I know of no Unix variant with more than 8 partitions/ disk - and it has been a problem for us on our Solaris systems. > > One more gripe: why was s1 chosen to be the first logical slice and not > > s0? Did we computer scientists start counting with 1 by accident? > > That's mystified me, too. I assume to be compatible with MS-DOS fdisk which calls them 1-4. Greg. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 21:18:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161A337B657 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:18:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA08133; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:17:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200011210517.WAA08133@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated In-Reply-To: <200011202023.MAA19454@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at "Nov 20, 0 12:23:02 pm" To: freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:17:18 -0700 (MST) Cc: imp@village.org, bfoz@glue.umd.edu, Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, roelof@eboa.com Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > The original IBM AT spec could give a rats ass about a partition > table, all that it cares about is the boot block signature (magic > 0xAA55). It is the MBR that knows what a partition table is and how > to deal with it. The original spec says if there is a valid > signature, load the code and jump to it passing the drive number in > reg dl so that the boot code knows where it was loaded from. It was > up to the MBR to decide what to do from then on. I think earlier in this thread was a reference to a document somewhat later than the BIOS code shipped with an AT. Do we want to start a new thread on what exactly =is= the authoritative documentation for PC architecture? The real issue is FreeBSD has to be able to boot on the hardware that's in the stores. Who's wrong, though interesting, doesn't matter. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 21:35: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B9A37B4CF; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:35:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoraida.reyes.somos.net (zoraida.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.15]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA98859; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:28:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:36:10 -0500 (EST) From: Francisco Reyes To: John Baldwin Cc: Gerd Knops , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: 4.2 Showstopper? Belkin KVM switch problems with FreeBSD 4.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, John Baldwin wrote: > On 20-Nov-00 Gerd Knops wrote: > > Hi Gang, .......... > > serious problem. It could be argued that it is Belkin's problem, but > > considering the large base of installed KVMs I think FreeBSD should try > > to be KVM friendly. I agree. > Compile a custom kernel and take 'flags 0x1' (detection of keyboards) out of > the atkbd0 line. It is a weird problem with your KVM. My 4-port KVM (Belkin > OmniCube) has no problems finding the keyboards on my 4 testboxes (2 stable and > 2 current). My understanding is that some KVMs are able to "virtualize" the keyboard when it is not there so the machine never detects it is not on that port. FreeBSD would not detect a keyboard loss on a KVM like that. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 21:36:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU (gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.edu [141.165.1.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D36F37B4D7 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:36:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from rage.sdodson.net (over21@gsdial2-7.cc.GaSoU.edu [141.165.1.177]) by gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id AAA33444 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:28:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200011210528.AAA33444@gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:36:04 -0500 From: Scott dodson To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Solution for distributing CVS server load? In-Reply-To: <200011210142.UAA98400@sanson.reyes.somos.net> References: <200011201427.eAKERL757456@whizzo.transsys.com> <200011210142.UAA98400@sanson.reyes.somos.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.1 (GTK+ 1.2.8; FreeBSD 4.2-BETA; i386) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG CVSUP updates configuration files as well. So why not have it update a generalized map of some sort. Then cvsup will determine based on the hostname/traceroute from the particular host to a known server (say www.freebsd.org) where the host lies. Then determine if it's part of a huge ISP such as UUNET and have one server designated for a group of large ISPs based on number of hops to a certain cvsup server. This should hopefully scale without much attendence since it will be unlikely that suddenly everyone on UUNet (or other large ISP) decides to use FreeBSD. I'm sure I'm overlooking something major, but this sounds like a possible solution. -- scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 21:43:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A6437B4C5; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:43:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA15384; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:12:06 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:12:06 +1030 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Francisco Reyes Subject: RE: 4.2 Showstopper? Belkin KVM switch problems with FreeBSD 4.2 Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Gerd Knops , John Baldwin Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 21-Nov-00 Francisco Reyes wrote: > > Compile a custom kernel and take 'flags 0x1' (detection of keyboards) out of > > the atkbd0 line. It is a weird problem with your KVM. My 4-port KVM (Belkin > > OmniCube) has no problems finding the keyboards on my 4 testboxes (2 stable and > > 2 current). I don't have the original mail so I am replying to the reply :) I have a keyboard (no switch or anything) which consistantly fails to detect unless a kernel is rebuilt without 'flags 0x1' for atkbd0. It is a Mitsubishi Diamond Touch, Model number - 6511-PA, Ext number - 41/MIT. The keyboard has those (annoying) Power/Sleep/WakeUp buttons, a version of the keyboard without those buttons doesn't exhibit the problem. The motherboard is Apollo MVP3 based Epox. It is running FreeBSD-4.1. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 21:44:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9882537B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:44:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA08410; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:42:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200011210542.WAA08410@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel In-Reply-To: <200011210459.PAA28469@lightning.itga.com.au> from Gregory Bond at "Nov 21, 0 03:59:15 pm" To: gnb@itga.com.au (Gregory Bond) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:42:53 -0700 (MST) Cc: pdh@bit.net.au, freebsd@KIWI-Computer.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Gregory Bond wrote: >> Another question: Where does that "8" limit come from? I /know/ I've >> used >8 partitions many years ago... > > The limit of 8 goes _way way_ back - certainly to V7 Unix, probably to > V6. We're talking mid-70s here. When all you have is a 5Mb drive, > you don't need more than 8 partitions! I know of no Unix variant with > more than 8 partitions/ disk - and it has been a problem for us on our > Solaris systems. Our Pyramids, running DC/OSx 1.1 have 16 partitions per hard drive. DC/OSx is/was the reference port of SysVr4 to the MIPS chipset, done under contract by Pyramid for Unix System Labs. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 21:47: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from camelot.bitart.com (BITart-45.BITart.com [206.103.221.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 10DCA37B4CF for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13429 invoked by uid 101); 21 Nov 2000 05:47:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20001121054704.13428.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.2mach v148) In-Reply-To: X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.2mach (Enhance 2.2p1) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.148) From: Gerd Knops Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:47:04 -0600 To: Francisco Reyes Subject: Re: 4.2 Showstopper? Belkin KVM switch problems with FreeBSD 4.2 Cc: John Baldwin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: gerti-freebsds@BITart.com References: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Francisco Reyes wrote: > On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 20-Nov-00 Gerd Knops wrote: > > > Hi Gang, > .......... > > > serious problem. It could be argued that it is Belkin's problem, > > > but considering the large base of installed KVMs I think FreeBSD > > > should try to be KVM friendly. > > I agree. > > > > Compile a custom kernel and take 'flags 0x1' (detection of > > keyboards) out of the atkbd0 line. It is a weird problem with your > > KVM. My 4-port KVM (Belkin OmniCube) has no problems finding the > > keyboards on my 4 testboxes (2 stable and 2 current). > > My understanding is that some KVMs are able to "virtualize" the > keyboard when it is not there so the machine never detects it is not > on that port. FreeBSD would not detect a keyboard loss on a KVM like > that. > The Belkin OmniView Pro8 (8 PS2 ports, stackable to 128 ports) is supposed to do just that. It seems the way FreeBSD 4.2 probles triggers something the Belkin people did not anticipate. Gerd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 21:51:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lerami.lerctr.org (lerami.lerctr.org [207.158.72.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA42037B4CF for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:51:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ler@localhost) by lerami.lerctr.org (8.11.1/8.11.1/20001028) id eAL5o7C06498; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:50:07 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ler) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:50:07 -0600 From: Larry Rosenman To: "Chad R. Larson" Cc: Gregory Bond , pdh@bit.net.au, freebsd@KIWI-Computer.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel Message-ID: <20001120235007.A6359@lerami.lerctr.org> References: <200011210459.PAA28469@lightning.itga.com.au> <200011210542.WAA08410@freeway.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.11i In-Reply-To: <200011210542.WAA08410@freeway.dcfinc.com>; from chad@DCFinc.com on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 10:42:53PM -0700 X-Mailer: Mutt http://www.mutt.org/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Chad R. Larson [001120 23:44]: > > Our Pyramids, running DC/OSx 1.1 have 16 partitions per hard drive. > DC/OSx is/was the reference port of SysVr4 to the MIPS chipset, done > under contract by Pyramid for Unix System Labs. UnixWare V2.1+ and V7+ both support 16 slices per disk partition. They only support ONE active Unix partition per harddrive. LER -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 (voice) Internet: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 22: 8:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E550437B4CF for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from lannilis.le-berre.com (pal3narpl01a.corp.hp.com [15.112.21.50]) by palrel3.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D7E2DE for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:08:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.0.20001120221433.00b3fd00@212.129.1.43> X-Sender: philippe.le.berre/le-berre.com@212.129.1.43 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.1 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:17:00 -0800 To: freebsd-Stable@freebsd.org From: Philippe Le Berre Subject: Failure in buildworld from fresh cvsup. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Anyone has a suggestion for this one? I am trying to upgrade from a 4.1.1-Release. TIA -philippe --- cc: Internal compiler error in `execute', at /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc/../../../../contrib/gcc/gcc.c:2329 Please submit a full bug report. See for instructions. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/as/i386-freebsd. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/as. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 22:51:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hand.dotat.at (sfo-gw.covalent.net [207.44.198.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B8C37B4CF for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:51:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from fanf by hand.dotat.at with local (Exim 3.15 #3) id 13y7FO-0006Su-00; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 06:49:42 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 06:49:42 +0000 From: Tony Finch To: FreeBSD Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel Message-ID: <20001121064942.L54653@hand.dotat.at> References: <200011201332.eAKDWTB68389@cwsys.cwsent.com> <200011201458.IAA44992@KIWI-Computer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200011201458.IAA44992@KIWI-Computer.com> Organization: Covalent Technologies, Inc Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD wrote: > >it seems counter-intuitive to me, as well as wasteful, to make >partition "c" the whole disk and skip "d" altogether. You don't have to skip d. a: 1606500 0 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 0 - 99) b: 1606500 1606500 swap # (Cyl. 100 - 199) c: 23567292 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 1466*) d: 1606500 16065000 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 1000 - 1099) e: 1606500 3213000 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 200 - 299) f: 8032500 4819500 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 300 - 799) g: 1606500 12852000 ISO9660 # (Cyl. 800 - 899) h: 1606500 14458500 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 900 - 999) This is what happens when you add partitions as you decide where to put things :-) Tony. -- f.a.n.finch dot@dotat.at fanf@covalent.net Chad for President! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 23:40:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ciberteca.infocentre.gva.es (ciberteca.infocentre.gva.es [195.57.208.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B8A37B4CF for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:40:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from infocentre.gva.es ([195.57.208.172]) by ciberteca.infocentre.gva.es (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA4663 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:40:08 +0100 Message-ID: <3A1A26C4.7E02D826@infocentre.gva.es> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:39:48 +0100 From: "Jose Luis Arbona Orovay" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Cannot make buildworld Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C77B3C04BA1F48D3B806EFA2" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --------------C77B3C04BA1F48D3B806EFA2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello. Release 4.2RELEASE (cvsuped today). My 'make buildworld' stops with error: -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 4: building libraries -------------------------------------------------------------- cd /usr/src; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj COMPILER_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib OBJFORMAT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec PERL5LIB=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libdata/perl/5.00503 DESTDIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386 INSTALL="sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh" PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin make -f Makefile.inc1 -DNOHTML -DNOINFO -DNOMAN -DNOFSCHG libraries cd /usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf; make depend; make all; make install rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/../common -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include /usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/crti.S /usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/crtn.S mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/../common -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include /usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/crt1.c cd /usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf; make _EXTRADEPEND cc -O -pipe -elf -Wall -fkeep-inline-functions -I/usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/../common -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/crt1.c -o crt1.o cc -I/usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/../common -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/crti.S -o crti.o cc -I/usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/../common -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/crtn.S -o crtn.o cc -O -pipe -elf -Wall -fkeep-inline-functions -I/usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/../common -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -DGCRT -c -o gcrt1.o /usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/crt1.c sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 crt1.o /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/crt1.o sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 crti.o /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/crti.o sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 crtn.o /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/crtn.o sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 gcrt1.o /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/gcrt1.o cd /usr/src/gnu/lib/csu; make depend; make all; make install echo '#include "i386/i386.h"' > tm.h echo '#include "i386/att.h"' >> tm.h echo '#include ' >> tm.h echo '#include "i386/freebsd.h"' >> tm.h echo '#include "i386/perform.h"' >> tm.h rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/csu/../../../contrib/gcc/config -I. -DIN_GCC -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include /usr/src/gnu/lib/csu/../../../contrib/gcc/crtstuff.c cd /usr/src/gnu/lib/csu; make _EXTRADEPEND cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/csu/../../../contrib/gcc/config -I. -DIN_GCC -finhibit-size-directive -fno-inline-functions -fno-exceptions -fno-omit-frame-pointer -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -g0 -DCRT_BEGIN -c -o crtbegin.o /usr/src/gnu/lib/csu/../../../contrib/gcc/crtstuff.c /usr/src/gnu/lib/csu/crtbegin.c cc: cannot specify -o with -c or -S and multiple compilations *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/lib/csu. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. Any hints? Thanks in advance. -- ______________________________ José Luis Arbona IBM GLOBAL SERVICES, S.A. Avda. Aragón, 30 - 4 planta 46021 Valencia mailto:jarbo@infocentre.gva.es tfno. 96 398 53 00 _______________________________ --------------C77B3C04BA1F48D3B806EFA2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello.

Release 4.2RELEASE (cvsuped today).

My 'make buildworld' stops with error:

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>>> stage 4: building libraries
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cd /usr/src; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj  COMPILER_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin  LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib  OBJFORMAT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec  PERL5LIB=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libdata/perl/5.00503  DESTDIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386  INSTALL="sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh"  PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin make -f Makefile.inc1 -DNOHTML -DNOINFO -DNOMAN -DNOFSCHG libraries
cd /usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf;  make depend;  make all;  make install
rm -f .depend
mkdep -f .depend -a    -I/usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/../common -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include    /usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/crti.S /usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/crtn.S
mkdep -f .depend -a    -I/usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/../common -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include  /usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/crt1.c
cd /usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf; make _EXTRADEPEND
cc -O -pipe -elf -Wall -fkeep-inline-functions  -I/usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/../common -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/crt1.c -o crt1.o
cc -I/usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/../common -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include  -c /usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/crti.S -o crti.o
cc -I/usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/../common -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include  -c /usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/crtn.S -o crtn.o
cc -O -pipe -elf -Wall -fkeep-inline-functions  -I/usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/../common -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -DGCRT -c -o gcrt1.o /usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/crt1.c
sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -c -o root -g wheel -m 444  crt1.o /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/crt1.o
sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -c -o root -g wheel -m 444  crti.o /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/crti.o
sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -c -o root -g wheel -m 444  crtn.o /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/crtn.o
sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -c -o root -g wheel -m 444  gcrt1.o /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/gcrt1.o
cd /usr/src/gnu/lib/csu;  make depend;  make all;  make install
echo '#include "i386/i386.h"'   > tm.h
echo '#include "i386/att.h"'                    >> tm.h
echo '#include <freebsd.h>'                             >> tm.h
echo '#include "i386/freebsd.h"'                >> tm.h
echo '#include "i386/perform.h"'                >> tm.h
rm -f .depend
mkdep -f .depend -a    -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/csu/../../../contrib/gcc/config -I. -DIN_GCC -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include  /usr/src/gnu/lib/csu/../../../contrib/gcc/crtstuff.c
cd /usr/src/gnu/lib/csu; make _EXTRADEPEND
cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/csu/../../../contrib/gcc/config -I. -DIN_GCC  -finhibit-size-directive -fno-inline-functions  -fno-exceptions -fno-omit-frame-pointer -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -g0 -DCRT_BEGIN  -c -o crtbegin.o  /usr/src/gnu/lib/csu/../../../contrib/gcc/crtstuff.c /usr/src/gnu/lib/csu/crtbegin.c
cc: cannot specify -o with -c or -S and multiple compilations
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/gnu/lib/csu.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.

Any hints?

Thanks in advance.
 

--
______________________________

José Luis Arbona
IBM GLOBAL SERVICES, S.A.
Avda. Aragón, 30 - 4 planta
46021 Valencia
mailto:jarbo@infocentre.gva.es
tfno. 96 398 53 00
_______________________________
  --------------C77B3C04BA1F48D3B806EFA2-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 23:48:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35F137B4CF for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:48:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25296 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:48:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAL7mpn27868 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:48:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:48:51 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Cannot make buildworld Message-ID: <20001120234851.B27827@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.org References: <3A1A26C4.7E02D826@infocentre.gva.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A1A26C4.7E02D826@infocentre.gva.es>; from jarbo@infocentre.gva.es on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 08:39:48AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 08:39:48AM +0100, Jose Luis Arbona Orovay wrote: > My 'make buildworld' stops with error: ... > Any hints? cd /usr/src/gnu/lib/csu rm *.[ch] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 23:58:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ciberteca.infocentre.gva.es (ciberteca.infocentre.gva.es [195.57.208.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B8E37B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:58:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from infocentre.gva.es ([195.57.208.172]) by ciberteca.infocentre.gva.es (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA4B6F for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:58:34 +0100 Message-ID: <3A1A2B16.C162B35E@infocentre.gva.es> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:58:14 +0100 From: "Jose Luis Arbona Orovay" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Cannot make buildworld References: <3A1A26C4.7E02D826@infocentre.gva.es> <20001120234746.A27827@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! David O'Brien wrote: > > My 'make buildworld' stops with error: > ... > > Any hints? > > cd /usr/src/gnu/lib/csu > rm *.[ch] Is this documented ? Why should we do that ? Anyway, thanks a lot. -- ______________________________ José Luis Arbona IBM GLOBAL SERVICES, S.A. Avda. Aragón, 30 - 4 planta 46021 Valencia mailto:jarbo@infocentre.gva.es tfno. 96 398 53 00 _______________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 0: 9:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22DD037B4C5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:09:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25361; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:09:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAL89be27994; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:09:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:09:37 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Gregory Bond Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel Message-ID: <20001121000936.C27827@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200011210459.PAA28469@lightning.itga.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011210459.PAA28469@lightning.itga.com.au>; from gnb@itga.com.au on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 03:59:15PM +1100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 03:59:15PM +1100, Gregory Bond wrote: > I know of no Unix variant with more than 8 partitions/ disk OpenBSD has 16 / disk. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 0:12:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808DD37B4C5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:12:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25372; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:12:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAL8CKb28012; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:12:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:12:19 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Jose Luis Arbona Orovay Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Cannot make buildworld Message-ID: <20001121001219.D27827@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.org References: <3A1A26C4.7E02D826@infocentre.gva.es> <20001120234746.A27827@dragon.nuxi.com> <3A1A2B16.C162B35E@infocentre.gva.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A1A2B16.C162B35E@infocentre.gva.es>; from jarbo@infocentre.gva.es on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 08:58:14AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 08:58:14AM +0100, Jose Luis Arbona Orovay wrote: > Is this documented ? If you kept up with this mailing list, you would have known this problem. That is why I just gave the "what to do" rather than give an explanation. Please review the recent archives when you have a problem. > Why should we do that ? You must have CVSup'ed during a window of time when I was changing the way we build crt{begin,end}.o. This caused the build problem you experienced. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 0:31:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ciberteca.infocentre.gva.es (ciberteca.infocentre.gva.es [195.57.208.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1B337B4CF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:31:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from infocentre.gva.es ([195.57.208.172]) by ciberteca.infocentre.gva.es (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA5406 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:31:24 +0100 Message-ID: <3A1A32C8.FA03F2AB@infocentre.gva.es> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:31:04 +0100 From: "Jose Luis Arbona Orovay" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Cannot make buildworld References: <3A1A26C4.7E02D826@infocentre.gva.es> <20001120234746.A27827@dragon.nuxi.com> <3A1A2B16.C162B35E@infocentre.gva.es> <20001121001219.D27827@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi David. David O'Brien wrote: > If you kept up with this mailing list, you would have known this problem. > That is why I just gave the "what to do" rather than give an explanation. > Please review the recent archives when you have a problem. You're right, next time I will review the mailing archives before asking. > You must have CVSup'ed during a window of time when I was changing the > way we build crt{begin,end}.o. This caused the build problem you > experienced. Maybe it was a "microsoft window" of time ? Thanks. (I never got an answer so fast :-) Jose Luis. ______________________________ José Luis Arbona IBM GLOBAL SERVICES, S.A. Avda. Aragón, 30 - 4 planta 46021 Valencia mailto:jarbo@infocentre.gva.es tfno. 96 398 53 00 _______________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 0:53:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rz.uni-ulm.de (sirius-giga.rz.uni-ulm.de [134.60.241.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB75537B4C5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:53:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from lilith (lilith.wohnheim.uni-ulm.de [134.60.106.64]) by mail.rz.uni-ulm.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA21381; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:53:16 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <004001c05398$7fdb8080$4011a8c0@wohnheim.uniulm.de> From: "Siegbert Baude" To: , "Roman Shterenzon" Cc: References: <200011210417.VAA07691@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:53:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Chad, good summary. Only one remark and two additions: > To summarize the summary: The problem comes from the fact that a > PC-BIOS is permitted to insist on an MBR on each drive, and that the > slices in that MBR align on certain boundries whereas FreeBSD > doesn't care about such sillyness but has to use the BIOS to get > launched. I donŽt think they do it for their fun and our work to be harder, but as a workaround for other problems the BIOS developers face. So itŽs not silly, but a consequence of the PC architecture being defined in a suboptimal fashion. > Simple solution? Don't use DD. > > Slightly less simple? Don't use DD on drives that are in any way > involved with the boot process, but go ahead on data-only drives. As some stated here, the bogus data in a dd-MBR can break booting even on non-boot-disks (i.e. your data-only drives). The mere presence will be tested, detected as faulty and therefore the process stops before anything can be done on user side. For the IA64 no dd will work at all, as a valid MBR is a strict requirement. Ciao Siegbert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 2:11:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sfinx.lasting.ro (sfinx.lasting.ro [193.230.239.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550C037B479 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 02:11:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from lasting.ro (cbredi@bofh.lasting.ro [193.230.239.12]) by sfinx.lasting.ro (8.11.0/bofh+AntiVir) with ESMTP id eALABfP07894 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:11:41 +0200 Message-ID: <3A1A4A5D.C1F0D9C0@lasting.ro> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:11:41 +0200 From: "Cristian N. Bradiceanu" Organization: LASTING System X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 4.2-STABLE cd9660: Input/output error Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------C4446576D88B66BF091FB9BE" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C4446576D88B66BF091FB9BE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Sirs, I am using 4.2-STABLE: FreeBSD bofh.lasting.ro 4.2-STABLE FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #0: Tue Nov 21 11:39:07 EET 2000 root@bofh.lasting.ro:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/OOPS i386 cvsup'd last night. acd0: CDROM at ata1-master using UDMA33 # mount /cdrom cd9660: Input/output error acd0: READ_BIG - HARDWARE ERROR asc=08 ascq=03 error=00 while trying to mount every cd-rom. It forked fine with 4.2-BETA, but had some problems with 4.1.1-STABLE. 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I couldn't think of the best place to ask this, and I am running STABLE on all production machines, so... We have a lot of proprietary code written in Java running on Wintel boxes. There's been talk of migrating to Linux, and our initial tests show performance equal to NT 4.0 under the JDK/JVM's we've tested. Is there anyone out there running a lot of mission-critical (read: updating Oracle queues responsible for 911 dispatching) Java code under FreeBSD? If so, I'd appreciate JDK/JVM reccomendations, OS tuning tips (or relevant FAQs), etc. If not... I guess I'll resign myself to letting penguins slowly infiltrate my network (ack!). Note: I've seen http://www.freebsd.org/java/. I'm asking for working knowledge, known bugs, stability, etc... and not just if a working JDK exists. Thanks, -Mike -- "IP assumes non-hostile, non-lazy, and non-clueless nodes." --Mark Mentovai To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 3:43:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate.abacus.co.uk (mailgate.abacus.co.uk [194.130.48.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDF1D37B4CF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 03:43:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from abacus.co.uk (pcantony.bl.abacus.co.uk [194.130.48.111]) by mailgate.abacus.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04706; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:41:23 GMT Message-ID: <3A1A5FC3.358F055A@abacus.co.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:42:59 +0000 From: Antony T Curtis Organization: Abacus Polar PLC (UK) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Hoskins Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Java et al References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Hoskins wrote: > > Hello, > > Excuse this if it's off-topic... I couldn't think of the best place to > ask this, and I am running STABLE on all production machines, so... > > We have a lot of proprietary code written in Java running on Wintel > boxes. There's been talk of migrating to Linux, and our initial tests > show performance equal to NT 4.0 under the JDK/JVM's we've tested. > > Is there anyone out there running a lot of mission-critical > (read: updating Oracle queues responsible for 911 dispatching) Java code > under FreeBSD? > > If so, I'd appreciate JDK/JVM reccomendations, OS tuning tips (or relevant > FAQs), etc. If not... I guess I'll resign myself to letting penguins > slowly infiltrate my network (ack!). > > Note: I've seen http://www.freebsd.org/java/. I'm asking for working > knowledge, known bugs, stability, etc... and not just if a working JDK > exists. > > Thanks, > -Mike There is a beta-source release of JDK 1.2.2 for FreeBSD. I have successfully compiled this and it does appear to work. However, no functional JIT means performance is a bit of a dog. (there are opensource JIT available but they don't always work right) I have the most success with running both IBM JDK1.3 and Sun JDK1.3 for Linux. Both require patches to the linux kld emulation in FreeBSD and both have "quirks". However, the Sun JDK can be coaxed into running large complex applications such as Borland JBuilder 4. The IBM JVM would frequently coredump on that but is perfectly acceptable at running more modest applications at speed - the IBM JVM has the advantage of correctly translating unicode characters and a whole host of other little things which the Sun JVM gets wrong. Both have a habit of "freezing" but I suspect this is due to the way how FreeBSD emulates Linux heavyweight threads. Personally, I would really want to see a native J2EE 1.3 JDK for FreeBSD which takes advantage of FreeBSD's lightweight threads... It should really fly! Using FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE (circa Oct 26) IBM Linux JVM: Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.3.0) Classic VM (build 1.3.0, J2RE 1.3.0 IBM build cx130-20000815 (JIT enabled: jitc) SUN Linux JVM: Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.3.0rc1-b17) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.3.0rc1-b17, mixed mode) FreeBSD Native JVM: java version "1.2.2" Classic VM (build jdk1.2.2-FreeBSD:root:2000/10/26-09:55, green threads, nojit) -- ANTONY T CURTIS Tel: +44 (1635) 36222 Abacus Polar Holdings Ltd Fax: +44 (1635) 38670 > God did not create the world in seven days; he screwed around for six > days and then pulled an all-nighter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 3:56:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nevermind.kiev.ua (unknown [212.109.53.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2720137B4C5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 03:56:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from never@localhost) by nevermind.kiev.ua (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eALBtgN14400; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:55:42 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from never) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:55:41 +0200 From: Nevermind To: Chris Byrnes Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: <20001121135541.A14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from chris@jeah.net on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 06:33:21PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Chris Byrnes! On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 06:33:21PM -0600, you wrote: > I recently went 4.1.1-stable to 4.2-release and now lots of > passwords...don't work. > Any ideas? The same thing... Mabe the point is in DES/md5 passwords? -- Alexandr P. Kovalenko http://nevermind.kiev.ua/ NEVE-RIPE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 4:10: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from epsilon.lucida.ca (epsilon.lucida.qc.ca [216.95.146.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BC71537B479 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 04:10:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 88527 invoked by uid 1000); 21 Nov 2000 12:09:59 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Nov 2000 12:09:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:09:57 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Heckaman X-Sender: matt@epsilon.lucida.ca To: Nevermind Cc: Chris Byrnes , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. In-Reply-To: <20001121135541.A14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost 1.6.2 0/1000/N Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Nevermind wrote: ... : The same thing... : Mabe the point is in DES/md5 passwords? FreeBSD has actually defaulted to MD5 passwords for quite a long time to those of us not within the US. However, installing the US crypto has always forced the usage of DES passwords by default. In order to switch your machine back to DES passwords from MD5 passwords, this is what you need to do: [ commands done one line at a time for clear reading ] # cd /usr/lib # rm libcrypt.a # rm libcrypt.so # rm libcrypt.so.2 # rm libcrypt_p.a # ln -s libdescrypt.a libcrypt.a # ln -s libdescrypt.so libcrypt.so # ln -s libdescrypt.so.2 libcrypt.so.2 # ln -s libdescrypt_p.a libcrypt_p.a That's it. Should you desire to switch BACK to MD5 passwords, just take those above steps and do a s/libdescrypt/libscrypt/g on it. Hope this if of help to you all. * Matt Heckaman - mailto:matt@lucida.qc.ca http://www.lucida.qc.ca/ * * GPG fingerprint - A9BC F3A8 278E 22F2 9BDA BFCF 74C3 2D31 C035 5390 * -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: http://www.lucida.qc.ca/pgp iD8DBQE6GmYXdMMtMcA1U5ARAtp6AJ995uDJnev8k6YaPt8WrP0laJuv+ACgkEAI DZE/qN+NUt8AkAZk2Mu+m/w= =VFbM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 4:38: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lafontaine.cybercable.fr (lafontaine.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 089DE37B4F9 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 04:37:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10415622 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2000 12:28:37 -0000 Received: from s011.dhcp212-229.cybercable.fr (HELO gits.dyndns.org) ([212.198.229.11]) (envelope-sender ) by lafontaine.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 21 Nov 2000 12:28:37 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by gits.dyndns.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eALCSZQ46304; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:28:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from clefevre@cybercable.fr) Original-Sender: Cyrille Lefevre Original-Sender: Cyrille Lefevre To: Larry Rosenman Cc: "Chad R. Larson" , Gregory Bond , pdh@bit.net.au, freebsd@KIWI-Computer.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel References: <200011210459.PAA28469@lightning.itga.com.au> <200011210542.WAA08410@freeway.dcfinc.com> <20001120235007.A6359@lerami.lerctr.org> X-Face: V|+c;4!|B?E%BE^{E6);aI.[<97Zd*>^#%Y5Cxv;%Y[PT-LW3;A:fRrJ8+^k"e7@+30g0YD0*^^3jgyShN7o?a]C la*Zv'5NA,=963bM%J^o]C In-Reply-To: Larry Rosenman's message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:50:07 -0600" From: Cyrille Lefevre Reply-To: Cyrille Lefevre Mail-Copies-To: never Date: 21 Nov 2000 13:28:33 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 15 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Channel Islands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Larry Rosenman writes: > * Chad R. Larson [001120 23:44]: > > > > Our Pyramids, running DC/OSx 1.1 have 16 partitions per hard drive. > > DC/OSx is/was the reference port of SysVr4 to the MIPS chipset, done > > under contract by Pyramid for Unix System Labs. > UnixWare V2.1+ and V7+ both support 16 slices per disk partition. > They only support ONE active Unix partition per harddrive. also OpenBSD. don't remember about NetBSD. Cyrille. -- home: mailto:clefevre@citeweb.net work: mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre@edf.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 4:39:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from racine.cybercable.fr (racine.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EA45737B4C5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 04:39:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10439804 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2000 12:39:06 -0000 Received: from s011.dhcp212-229.cybercable.fr (HELO gits.dyndns.org) ([212.198.229.11]) (envelope-sender ) by racine.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 21 Nov 2000 12:39:06 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by gits.dyndns.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eALCcuR47279; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:38:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from clefevre@cybercable.fr) Original-Sender: Cyrille Lefevre Original-Sender: Cyrille Lefevre To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel breackage in machine/atomic.h References: <8zqemibc.fsf@gits.dyndns.org> X-Face: V|+c;4!|B?E%BE^{E6);aI.[<97Zd*>^#%Y5Cxv;%Y[PT-LW3;A:fRrJ8+^k"e7@+30g0YD0*^^3jgyShN7o?a]C la*Zv'5NA,=963bM%J^o]C In-Reply-To: Cyrille Lefevre's message of "20 Nov 2000 22:42:31 +0100" From: Cyrille Lefevre Reply-To: Cyrille Lefevre Mail-Copies-To: never Date: 21 Nov 2000 13:38:54 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Channel Islands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Cyrille Lefevre writes: [snip] > the symptom is : > > cc -c -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-builtin -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -g -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -fomit-frame-pointer ../../i386/i386/atomic.c > In file included from ../../i386/i386/atomic.c:47: > machine/atomic.h: In function `atomic_set_char': > machine/atomic.h:106: inconsistent operand constraints in an `asm' > ... [snip] I've found the problem. cc need -O to compile this file (well, all files :) and my make.conf get rid of this. in fact, not really, since I use +=, but kernel's Makefile use ?= for COPTFLAGS. maybe it should use += also ? Cyrille. -- home: mailto:clefevre@citeweb.net work: mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre@edf.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 4:39:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nevermind.kiev.ua (unknown [212.109.53.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA50037B4D7 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 04:39:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from never@localhost) by nevermind.kiev.ua (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eALCd3N14731; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:39:03 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from never) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:39:03 +0200 From: Nevermind To: Matt Heckaman Cc: Chris Byrnes , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: <20001121143903.B14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> References: <20001121135541.A14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 07:09:57AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Matt Heckaman! On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 07:09:57AM -0500, you wrote: > FreeBSD has actually defaulted to MD5 passwords for quite a long time to > those of us not within the US. However, installing the US crypto has > always forced the usage of DES passwords by default. In order to switch > your machine back to DES passwords from MD5 passwords, this is what you > need to do: > > [ commands done one line at a time for clear reading ] > > # cd /usr/lib > > # rm libcrypt.a > # rm libcrypt.so > # rm libcrypt.so.2 > # rm libcrypt_p.a > # ln -s libdescrypt.a libcrypt.a > # ln -s libdescrypt.so libcrypt.so > # ln -s libdescrypt.so.2 libcrypt.so.2 > # ln -s libdescrypt_p.a libcrypt_p.a > > That's it. Should you desire to switch BACK to MD5 passwords, just take > those above steps and do a s/libdescrypt/libscrypt/g on it. > > Hope this if of help to you all. And if I wanna manage both -- DES & MD5? For example I have about 200 users on one machine and I have no physical ability to make them change their passwords. It seems to me it worked fine somewhere between 3.4 and 4.0. -- Alexandr P. Kovalenko http://nevermind.kiev.ua/ NEVE-RIPE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 4:44:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from epsilon.lucida.ca (epsilon.lucida.qc.ca [216.95.146.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DE2237B4C5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 04:44:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 41582 invoked by uid 1000); 21 Nov 2000 12:44:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Nov 2000 12:44:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:44:37 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Heckaman X-Sender: matt@epsilon.lucida.ca To: Nevermind Cc: Chris Byrnes , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. In-Reply-To: <20001121143903.B14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost 1.6.2 0/1000/N Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Nevermind wrote: ... : And if I wanna manage both -- DES & MD5? For example I have about 200 : users on one machine and I have no physical ability to make them : change their passwords. It seems to me it worked fine somewhere : between 3.4 and 4.0. Oh boy. To be honest Alexandr, I have no idea if this is even possible. It is my understanding that it is _not_ possible, but I've been known to be wrong before. I'll pass this question off to those on the list who are more knowledgeable than me in the area. :) * Matt Heckaman - mailto:matt@lucida.qc.ca http://www.lucida.qc.ca/ * * GPG fingerprint - A9BC F3A8 278E 22F2 9BDA BFCF 74C3 2D31 C035 5390 * -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: http://www.lucida.qc.ca/pgp iD8DBQE6Gm43dMMtMcA1U5ARAsc/AJ97bKM96lrJ0uKjfyTAz3X5tyn4ZQCg2xiX cnFcQVHNTdjLKGIBP/evP8k= =XXeU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 5:12: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (www.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [212.111.192.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF97137B4CF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 05:11:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (Postfix, from userid 1122) id 413042FA82; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:11:46 +0200 (EET) From: Yaroslav Halchinsky To: Matt Heckaman Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. In-Reply-To: User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.1-STABLE (i386)) Message-Id: <20001121131146.413042FA82@relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:11:46 +0200 (EET) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matt Heckaman wrote: > : And if I wanna manage both -- DES & MD5? For example I have about 200 > : users on one machine and I have no physical ability to make them > : change their passwords. It seems to me it worked fine somewhere > : between 3.4 and 4.0. > Oh boy. To be honest Alexandr, I have no idea if this is even possible. It > is my understanding that it is _not_ possible, but I've been known to be > wrong before. I'll pass this question off to those on the list who are > more knowledgeable than me in the area. :) Use libdescrypt. This permits to use both DES and MD5 hashes. From the times of 4.1.1-release passwd(1) honors passwd_format capability which defaults to md5. -- Regards, Yaroslav Halchinsky To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 5:43: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hse-toronto-ppp119263.sympatico.ca (HSE-Toronto-ppp261201.sympatico.ca [64.230.30.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2413637B4CF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 05:42:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 35162 invoked by uid 0); 21 Nov 2000 13:46:16 -0000 Received: from nat.inquent.com (216.6.14.45) by hse-toronto-ppp261201.sympatico.ca with SMTP; 21 Nov 2000 13:46:16 -0000 Received: from inquent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nat.inquent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF862E8 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:42:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A1A7BC6.2A7604A9@inquent.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:42:30 -0500 From: Rod Taylor Organization: InQuent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cd /usr/ports; make clean References: <200011201652.eAKGqlh13157@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Cy Schubert wrote: > > In message <200011201647.eAKGlCx95949@earth.backplane.com>, Matt Dillon writes: > > :> WRKDIRPREFIX= /var/tmp > > :> > > :> Or something similar, then simply 'rm -rf /var/tmp/usr' when it gets > > :> full or I want to clean it out. (I have a big /var/tmp to accomodate > > it, > > :> but there is nothing preventing you from creating a directory in /usr > > :> to hold the workdirs either). > > : > > :This is an excellent idea. Could we make this the default? > > > > The problem is that /tmp or /var/tmp typically isn't very large, so > > on most systems it would run out of space fairly quickly. I do think > > that putting distfiles outside of /usr/ports by default is a good idea, > > though. For example, /usr/ports.distfiles rather then > > /usr/ports/distfiles. > > I already do that through the use of symlinks. In that case do a /usr/ports.make. I want to rm -rf ports.* and clean up unused space. Or... /usr/tmp/ports.make -- Rod Taylor -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 5:54:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sneety.insync.net (sneety.insync.net [209.113.65.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F53A37B479 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 05:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from Matt (209-113-91-158.insync.net [209.113.91.158]) by sneety.insync.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA10707 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:54:47 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: From: "Matt Bettinger" To: Subject: RE: Panic during disconnect of USB LPT device Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:53:01 -0600 Message-ID: <71F816A89AA9D3119F4C00D0B7094EFC2062FB@FIN_SYN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <71F816A89AA9D3119F4C00D0B7094EFC2397B3@FIN_SYN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I too have had strange things happen when a USB plug was unplugged. Whenever i coldsync a handspring on 4.1.1 STABLE and unplug the cradle my system gives me a message and then reboots. I can't seee what the message says in time b/c the cpu reboots. This only occurs AFTER a cold sync operation. Matt -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of joe@OpenSoftwareServices.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 4:24 PM To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Panic during disconnect of USB LPT device I've experienced a repeatable panic apparently related to the USB code. I'm running 4.2-BETA from sources cvsup'ed late the afternoon of Nov 15th. FreeBSD 4.2-BETA #0: Wed Nov 15 20:46:36 CST 2000 root@benevolence.rootnode.com:/x1/obj/usr/src/sys/ABUNDANCE uhci0: port 0xd400-0xd41f irq 6 at device 4.2 on pci0 usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ulpt0: Xerox Xerox DocuPrint N2125 USB, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 2, iclass 7/1 I am using lpd and a standard printcap entry specifying /dev/ulpt0 as the printer device. No filter specified. It seems that if lpd(8) has the ulpt0 device open and is writing to it while the usb cable is unplugged from the printer, it panics. I cannot provide the output of the panic dump at the moment but will attempt to tonight. I discovered this while rebooting while a large job was in the lpd spool. LPD started printing again upon boot, and I didn't want the job, so I yanked the cable. Panic, immediately after the "ulpt0: disconnected" message on the console. Since the machine was down, I tried it a couple of times with the same result. Other than that, printing via USB works great. Note the strange IRQ (6) that the BIOS chose for the USB controller. I don't know why it did that (stupid intel architecture). The FDC is enabled, but there's no floppy drive connected. Perhaps the BIOS disables it if there isn't a drive. ata0 irq14 242068 3 ata1 irq15 110948 1 mux irq6 4434445 57 fxp0 irq5 4843 0 dpt0 irq10 103616 1 atkbd0 irq1 39 0 ppc0 irq7 1 0 clk irq0 7743843 99 rtc irq8 9912513 128 uhci0: port 0xd400-0xd41f irq 6 at device 4.2 on pci0 xl0: <3Com 3c905-TX Fast Etherlink XL> port 0xd000-0xd03f irq 6 at device 9.0 on pci0 dc0: <82c169 PNIC 10/100BaseTX> port 0xb000-0xb0ff mem 0xe1000000-0xe10000ff irq 6 at device 13.0 on pci0 This IRQ sharing doesn't seem to adversely affect any of these devices, although xl0 isn't in active use. I'll attempt to provide a more detailed dump later tonight. Thanks for your time, Joe -------+--+---++-+---+-+-++--+++ ++++ ++ + + + ++ + + Joe Koberg PO BOX 24306 Open Software Services, LLC Little Rock AR 72221-4603 joe@OpenSoftwareServices.com (501) 258-3673 http://OpenSoftwareServices.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 5:58:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from feedme.iac.iafrica.com (unknown [196.31.3.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C81D37B4CF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 05:58:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from Neil (martin.iac.iafrica.com [196.7.103.158]) by feedme.iac.iafrica.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA11083 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:58:31 +0200 (SAT) Message-ID: <000801c053c3$fa0abdf0$9e6707c4@Neil> From: "Neil Jonkers" To: Subject: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:04:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C053D4.BC8FD990" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C053D4.BC8FD990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable subscribe freebsd-stable subscribe cvs-all ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C053D4.BC8FD990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C053D4.BC8FD990-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 6: 2:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1699837B4CF; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 06:02:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 13yDzp-0004fU-00; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:02:05 +0000 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA43801; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:02:04 GMT (envelope-from jcm) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:02:04 +0000 From: j mckitrick To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: New Applix office under 4.x Message-ID: <20001121140203.A43673@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am running the new Applix Office suite (4.0?) under the blackbox windowmanager. The .doc import function does not work. It runs a program called olefilter, and the truss output shows that a symbol called 'poll' is undefined. It was suggested I install Gnome or KDE. Here is what happened: Okay, I just installed the latest version of Gnome. Here is the last few lines of truss running olefilter: access("/usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6",0) = 0 (0x0) access("/usr/lib/libm.so.2",0) = 0 (0x0) access("/usr/lib/libm.so.2",0) = 0 (0x0) /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: write(2,0xbfbff40c,26) = 26 (0x1a) /usr/local/lib/libglib12.so.3: Undefined symbol "poll"write(2,0xbfbff43c,54) = 54 (0x36) Any idea what is happening here? This is after building world last night with 4.2-stable. Is it a problem with blackbox? I am really ignorant about how BSD and unix in general handles libraries, so maybe I will learn something about this. All I really know is they are way better than DLL's! Jonathon -- "One World, One Web, One Program." - Microsoft Promotional Ad. "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer." - Adolf Hitler To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 6:56:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sabre.velocet.net (sabre.velocet.net [198.96.118.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664D837B479 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 06:56:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from office.tor.velocet.net (trooper.velocet.net [204.138.45.2]) by sabre.velocet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A244137F0D; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from dgilbert@localhost) by office.tor.velocet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA81737; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:56:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dgilbert) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14874.36116.48095.108547@trooper.velocet.net> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:56:20 -0500 (EST) To: Greg Lehey Cc: David Gilbert , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can I expect INVARIANTS and VINUM to play well together? In-Reply-To: <20001121113903.C71779@echunga.lemis.com> References: <14873.24814.809777.555306@trooper.velocet.net> <20001121113903.C71779@echunga.lemis.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Greg" == Greg Lehey writes: Greg> In any case, Vinum was developed with INVARIANTS and Greg> INVARIANT_SUPPORT, so I doubt this is your problem. If you do Greg> have problems, of course, you should tell me about them. I note Greg> that you've had problems with Vinum in the past, but this is the Greg> first time you mention INVARIANTS. Hmmm... memory's vague now. May have been a kernel with invariant support and vinum's module without. Would the new build scripts help this: where modules are rebuilt with the kernel? Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Velocet Communications. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dgilbert@velocet.net | equal if and only if they | |http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 7:23:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C2137B4CF; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:23:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA19043; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:23:19 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda19041; Tue Nov 21 07:23:18 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eALFNDc00804; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:23:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdZtF802; Tue Nov 21 07:22:51 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eALFMoL23987; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:22:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011211522.eALFMoL23987@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdy23983; Tue Nov 21 07:22:36 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: Zero Sum , jkh@freebsd.org Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , Stijn Hoop , FreeBSD , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:02:28 +1100." <00112111022805.29201@shalimar.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:22:36 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <00112111022805.29201@shalimar.net.au>, Zero Sum writes: > On Tuesday 21 November 2000 03:49, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group > wrote: > > In message <20001120170356.C74393@pcwin002.win.tue.nl>, Stijn Hoop > > writes: > > > On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:58:50AM -0600, FreeBSD wrote: > > > > The problem with the fdisk slices is that there is only room for 4 ... > > > > disklabel gives us 8, no wait.. 6 if you have a swap and 5 if you > don't. > > > > > > > > I've never been a fan of this. May I make a recommendation (flame > away, > > > > boys): redo disklabel while we're at it. it seems counter-intuitive > to > > > > me, as well as wasteful, to make partition "c" the whole disk and > skip "d" > > > > altogether. IMHO, "da0s1" should refer to the whole disk, "da0s1a" > should > > > > be the first physical partition, "da0s1b" the second partition, etc. > down > > > > to "h". This gives us 8 partitions of any type: swap or FS. > > > > > > Hear, hear! I would really like to see this. Installing FreeBSD is that > > > much more confusing due to the two-layered hierarchy... And even more so > > > due to the conventions with the partitions (c, d, etc). If we cannot do > > > away with the two layers, at least make the second layer more intuitive. > > > What argument, other than 'it's been this way for ages' is there for the > > > confusing a-h convention? And what arguments are there for disklabel > > > on the i386 anyway? > > > > > > I'd like to see FreeBSD do the same as Linux on the i386 - use only > > > the partition table, along with extended partitions. Do away with > disklabel > > > *on that platform*. > > > > > > Yes of course the alpha would differ from i386 in disk geometry then. > But > > > since the differences in setting up the alpha/i386 are already there, > why > > > the pretense in keeping them 'the same'? > > > > > > One of the most FAQs I've heard from linux'ees that tried FreeBSD is > > > 'why can't I install to an extended partition?' Fact is when I hear that > > > question, I also wonder myself... > > > > Extended partitions are the subdivision of one of the four partitions > > in the fdisk table. Disklabel does that. We could rename disklabel > > slices to extended partitions. IMO for most people the fdisk and > > disklabel interfaces (commands) are redundant. All of this should be > > done through sysinstall. Just as SVR4 has sysadm, and other O/S's have > > condoned and supported by the vendor approaches to sysdmin, we should > > encourage the use of sysinstall for all sysadmin activities. Sure keep > > fdisk and disklabel around for those of us who like the bits-and-bytes. > > > > The short of it is that sysinstall should have one interface for > > configuring disks, not two as it currently does. That one interface > > should make the user think that we have a unified disk partitioning > > look-and-feel just like NT and Linux do. > > > > To hide the architecture even further, device names in /dev would be > > hidden by the use of symlinks or hard links. Those who want to > > reference ad0s1a can. The rest of us can use names like disk0a or hd0a > > ("a" specifies the first FreeBSD partition/slice found on the disk). > > The disk0a or hd0a names would be independent of the type of device > > driver being used SCSI, IDE, etc., it would just be a generic name. > > The current naming convention would become esoteric and could be used > > if needed. > > > > In a world where most people don't care about the architecture of an > > operating system, I think that this would put a friendlier face on > > FreeBSD. > > > > > Yep. But it would wind up FreeMSDOS. > > Look a multi user networked operating system is not for the simple or > uneducatable. Microsoft is busy proving that to the world. > > >From the questions asked here and in Questions, the major problem people > have is fundmental bits and bytes understanding of things. We should try > and promote this understanding, not make it invisible except to "gurus". > > I have recently been trying to help a user with their installation. Their > fundmental understanding is so poor that they cannot even answer questions > like "please send me a copy of the output of the program 'dmesg'". It is a > lost cause. I really doubt I can help this person. They are simply too > used to point and click and won't calm down enough (or are unable) to > answer questions. > > I do think that manipulating partitions in FreeBSD is rather harder than on > any other Unix I have had to do it on. Moving things around in a dynamic > and fluid way (which I have always consider part of tuning) is - difficult. > > Some better partition management tools would be rather useful. I'll think > on this and maybe do something. Suggestions welcome and solicited. [Can I > get arrested of soliciting on a mailing list?] Before I start coding a proof of concept and reading the comments thus far I'd like to have a consensus of whether it would be a worthwhile effort or would it be a waste of my time? At first I thought it was a good idea to make FreeBSD partitions have an MS-DOS or failing that a Linux look-and-feel. Judging from the feedback, I'm not so sure whether it is a good idea or not. From what I can tell, most people don't want any changes from the status quo. I am not trying to keep the argument going here. If people generally don't like the idea and thus my effort to implement this idea has no chance of being used or incorporated into the system, then I want to save myself some effort that might be wasted towards this endeavour and put it to better use elsewhere. The last thing I want to do is force this on anyone. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 7:35:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1806837B479 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA19080; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:33:39 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda19078; Tue Nov 21 07:33:38 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eALFXRk00859; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:33:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdyqc857; Tue Nov 21 07:32:51 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eALFWnB24065; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:32:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011211532.eALFWnB24065@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdD24061; Tue Nov 21 07:32:38 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: chad@DCFinc.com Cc: uwe@ptc.spbu.ru (Valeriy E. Ushakov), stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:01:21 MST." <200011210201.TAA07181@freeway.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:32:38 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200011210201.TAA07181@freeway.dcfinc.com>, "Chad R. Larson" writes: > As I recall, Valeriy E. Ushakov wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 11:14:26 +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > >> At least remove the option from sysinstall so new users don't get > >> stuck with it. > > > > Absolutely. > > The last time this got beat to death, John Baldwin suggested moving > the option out from sysinstall, but adding it to fdisk. That way > newbies wouldn't see it up front, but it would still be available to > folks who knew what they were doing and wanted to do it. To manually create a DD disk, you don't need an option added to fdisk. Just disklabel the disk instead of fdisking it. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 7:44:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (ha1.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC35137B4D7 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:44:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by mail.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001121154442.LRKG23432.mail.rdc1.il.home.com@math.missouri.edu> for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:44:42 -0800 Message-ID: <3A1A9869.723FB7C5@math.missouri.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:44:41 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: tapping touchpad on laptops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A while back I looked into a program to configure the synaptics touchpad that comes with many laptops. For example, one might like to make it so that tapping the touchpad is not like clicking a mouse button. I wrote a port for the program tpconfig that appears on http://www.compass.com/synaptics/ but it required an additional ioctl for the mouse, that is, it required a patch to the kernel. I submitted a couple of PR's viz http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=21520 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20352 (one for the port and one for the kernel change) but I never heard back from anyone. What do people think? -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 8:18: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www3.infolink.com.br (www3.infolink.com.br [200.255.108.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B590137B4C5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from diala11 (unverified [200.255.108.11]) by www3.infolink.com.br (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.181) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:17:55 -0300 Message-ID: <009d01c053d6$9b4f8300$0b6cffc8@infolink.com.br> From: "Antonio Carlos Pina" To: Subject: internal compiler error signal 4 making buildword in 4.2-RELEASE fresh install Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:17:55 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, In a fresh 4.2-RELEASE install, I've made a new Kernel configuration from GENERIC (called TEST1, the same as GENERIC except by CPU_386, 486 and 586 are commented out) Whenever I try "make buildworld" inside "/usr/src", I get: (cc1) uid 0: exited on signal 4 (core dumped) cc: internal compiler error (got signal 4) It happens in the beginning, while compiling /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c I disabled internal and external cache, the same occurred. This is a Pentium III 800EMhz (bus 100Mhz), adaptec pci 2940w, Seagate Cheetah 9gb, 256MB. I'm starting to run a memory test, though. Any ideas ? Best regards, Antonio Carlos Pina apina@infolink.com.br To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 8:27:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from citusc17.usc.edu (citusc17.usc.edu [128.125.38.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351F137B479 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:27:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc17.usc.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eALGRpR03067; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:27:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:27:50 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Matt Heckaman Cc: Nevermind , Chris Byrnes , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: <20001121082750.A2922@citusc17.usc.edu> References: <20001121135541.A14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 07:09:57AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 07:09:57AM -0500, Matt Heckaman wrote: > On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Nevermind wrote: > ... > : The same thing... > : Mabe the point is in DES/md5 passwords? >=20 > FreeBSD has actually defaulted to MD5 passwords for quite a long time to > those of us not within the US. However, installing the US crypto has > always forced the usage of DES passwords by default. In order to switch > your machine back to DES passwords from MD5 passwords, this is what you > need to do: No longer correct. You don't need to futz with libraries and symlinks any more, only change the value of the passwd_format login capability in /etc/login.conf. The default is MD5 passwords for new accounts. Kris --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjoaooYACgkQWry0BWjoQKXaAwCfXYDJMEI0VM6FQlgMkR5TMI4B hmwAoP5eiVTATe49WivxhA9Us3+2O9M3 =vDXQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 8:31:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de (ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACAA037B4C5; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:31:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE (ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.54]) by ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eALGd7Q01750; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:39:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:39:07 +0100 (CET) From: "O. Hartmann" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: AMI Enterprise 1600 RAID and FBSD 4.2-STABLE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Sirs. Now the focus goes on AMI Enterprise 1600 RAID controler for our RAID solution and I want to ask whether this controler is also supported by FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE. I was told that FreeBSD 4.2 will support AMI Elite 1600 RAID and I hope due to similar or identical design it will support the bigger type, too. Please could anyone, who has e deeper insight into what's supported an what not tell me what the status of support of AMI Enterprise 1600 RAID is? Many thanks in advance, Oliver - MfG O. Hartmann ------------------------------------------------------------------- ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de Klimadatenserver-Abteilung des IPA IT Netz- und Systembetreuung Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz Becherweg 21 D-55099 Mainz BRD/Germany Tel: +496131/3924662 FAX: +496131/3923532 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 8:40:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from krycek.zoominternet.net (krycek.zoominternet.net [63.67.120.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BD3AA37B4CF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:40:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22777 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2000 16:38:02 -0000 Received: from lcl12.cvzoom.net (HELO cvzoom.net) (208.226.155.12) by krycek.zoominternet.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 2000 16:38:02 -0000 Message-ID: <3A1AA589.3985A422@cvzoom.net> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:40:41 -0500 From: Donn Miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Antonio Carlos Pina Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: internal compiler error signal 4 making buildword in 4.2-RELEASE fresh install References: <009d01c053d6$9b4f8300$0b6cffc8@infolink.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Antonio Carlos Pina wrote: > Whenever I try "make buildworld" inside "/usr/src", I get: > > (cc1) uid 0: exited on signal 4 (core dumped) > cc: internal compiler error (got signal 4) > > It happens in the beginning, while compiling > /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c Hmmmm.... and what CFLAGS are you using? Show us the last 20 or so compile lines. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 8:49:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from isds.duke.edu (davinci.isds.duke.edu [152.3.22.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC0737B4C5; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:49:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from feta.isds.duke.edu (feta.isds.duke.edu [152.3.22.76]) by isds.duke.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06317; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:49:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from sto@localhost) by feta.isds.duke.edu (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eALGnXj27593; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:49:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sto) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:49:33 -0500 From: "Sean O'Connell" To: Kris Kennaway Cc: FreeBSD stable Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: <20001121114933.D27266@stat.Duke.EDU> Reply-To: "Sean O'Connell" Mail-Followup-To: Sean O'Connell , Kris Kennaway , FreeBSD stable References: <20001121135541.A14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20001121082750.A2922@citusc17.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001121082750.A2922@citusc17.usc.edu>; from kris@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 08:27:50AM -0800 X-Organization: Institute of Statistics and Decision Sciences Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway stated: : On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 07:09:57AM -0500, Matt Heckaman wrote: : > On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Nevermind wrote: : > ... : > : The same thing... : > : Mabe the point is in DES/md5 passwords? : > : > FreeBSD has actually defaulted to MD5 passwords for quite a long time to : > those of us not within the US. However, installing the US crypto has : > always forced the usage of DES passwords by default. In order to switch : > your machine back to DES passwords from MD5 passwords, this is what you : > need to do: : : No longer correct. You don't need to futz with libraries and symlinks : any more, only change the value of the passwd_format login capability : in /etc/login.conf. The default is MD5 passwords for new accounts. : Kris- This issue probably could stand a little more reinforcing (see below) grep passwd_format /usr/src/UPDATING Exit 1 However, this is very nicely spelled out in the /usr/src/release/texts/ERRATA.TXT (I found this while composing the email). ---- System Update Information: The system now defaults to using an MD5-based password scheme in all cases rather than the less secure (but more interoperable) DES-based password scheme. This was not documented well; to switch to DES passwords, login.conf(5) must specify "passwd_format", eg: default:\ :passwd_format=des:\ See the login.conf(5), yp(4), and login_cap(3) manpages for documentation. Maybe we could add a :password_format=md5:\ to the default entry or create a commented out des login class like #des_users:\ # :password_format=des:\ # :tc=default: to clarify this a bit. I was surprised for a few minutes but ended up just adding the following to default :password_format=des:\ Also, as a side question, does passwd automagically stick to using DES for NIS-enabled machines so it doesn't corrupt NIS maps on other machines/os's? I suppose in a FreeBSD-only environment, this would not be a problem, but I have a bunch of Digital Unix machines that I have to support, as well. Point of clarification: based on the ERRATA, should I add the passwd_format=des to all my machines to preserve interoperablity? Thanks S ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Sean O'Connell Email: sean@stat.Duke.EDU Institute of Statistics and Decision Sciences Phone: (919) 684-5419 Duke University Fax: (919) 684-8594 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 8:55: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from citusc17.usc.edu (citusc17.usc.edu [128.125.38.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB67237B4CF; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc17.usc.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eALGtpS03593; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:55:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:55:51 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: "Sean O'Connell" , Kris Kennaway , FreeBSD stable Cc: green@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: <20001121085551.A3534@citusc17.usc.edu> References: <20001121135541.A14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20001121082750.A2922@citusc17.usc.edu> <20001121114933.D27266@stat.Duke.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001121114933.D27266@stat.Duke.EDU>; from sean@stat.Duke.EDU on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 11:49:33AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 11:49:33AM -0500, Sean O'Connell wrote: > This issue probably could stand a little more reinforcing (see below) >=20 > grep passwd_format /usr/src/UPDATING=20 > Exit 1 UPDATING is for hoops to jump through in getting your system up to date - I don't know that it's the right place for it. > Maybe we could add a >=20 > :password_format=3Dmd5:\ >=20 > to the default entry or create a commented out des login > class like >=20 > #des_users:\ > # :password_format=3Ddes:\ > # :tc=3Ddefault: >=20 > to clarify this a bit. I was surprised for a few minutes > but ended up just adding the following to default I've already suggested this to Brian Feldman.. > :password_format=3Ddes:\ >=20 > Also, as a side question, does passwd automagically stick to using=20 > DES for NIS-enabled machines so it doesn't corrupt NIS maps on other > machines/os's? I suppose in a FreeBSD-only environment, this would > not be a problem, but I have a bunch of Digital Unix machines that > I have to support, as well. No. > Point of clarification: based on the ERRATA, should I add the=20 > passwd_format=3Ddes to all my machines to preserve interoperablity? If you want the same NIS password map to be used on "legacy" UNIXes which don't talk MD5 they have to be DES passwords. Standalone machines should be MD5 for greater security. Kris --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjoaqRcACgkQWry0BWjoQKWWLwCg5KPKlIgZeXfB1r22Gyf2nb/M PVgAniEWQUe009EFYKZ6BD/G1gmZG4b7 =sb1z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 9: 7:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www3.infolink.com.br (www3.infolink.com.br [200.255.108.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2332E37B479 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:07:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from diala11 (unverified [200.255.108.11]) by www3.infolink.com.br (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.181) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:06:30 -0300 Message-ID: <002b01c053dd$6520a550$0b6cffc8@infolink.com.br> From: "Antonio Carlos Pina" To: Subject: Fw: internal compiler error signal 4 making buildword in 4.2-RELEASE fresh install Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:06:29 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, thanks for your answer. I'm using everything default. My /etc/defaults/make.conf shows #CFLAGS= -O -pipe (it's commented, but commenting it out makes no difference). Here are the last lines. -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 1: bootstrap tools -------------------------------------------------------------- cd /usr/src; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386 DESTDIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386 INSTALL="sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh" MACHINE_ARCH=i386 TOOLS_PREFIX=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386 PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:/usr/obj/u sr/src/i386/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin make -f Makefile.inc1 -DNOMAN -DNOINFO -DNOHTML bootstrap-tools cd /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile; make obj; make depend; make all; make install /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile created for /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c cd /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile; make _EXTRADEPEND echo strfile: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.a >> .depend cc -O -pipe -Wall -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 4 *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. > Hmmmm.... and what CFLAGS are you using? Show us the last 20 or so > compile lines. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 9:28:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from yez.hyperreal.org (unknown [64.211.228.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DF0E537B479 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:28:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7558 invoked by uid 1000); 21 Nov 2000 17:28:10 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Nov 2000 17:28:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:28:10 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Behlendorf X-Sender: brian@localhost To: Scott dodson Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Solution for distributing CVS server load? In-Reply-To: <200011210528.AAA33444@gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (Short plug, but it's a purely open source (BSD-licensed) project so I don't feel too guilty): "Subversion" (http://subversion.tigris.org/) is a version control system being developed that aims to fix some of the long-standing issues with CVS while staying true to what makes CVS useful for many people. One of those is the fact that CVS had client-server implemented as an afterthought; Subversion uses the DAV protocol over HTTP, and one of the many side benefits of doing that is (if we respect HTTP semantics right) we get cacheability for "free". So if your company or ISP uses an HTTP caching proxy, multiple users behind it will benefit. There's also the intriguing idea of using a service like Akamai to distribute the repository. Anyways, we're progressing towards a 1.0, and we could use help from anyone clueful who's interested in this topic. The above URL contains pointers to the development lists. Brian On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Scott dodson wrote: > CVSUP updates configuration files as well. So why not have it update a > generalized map of some sort. Then cvsup will determine based on the > hostname/traceroute from the particular host to a known server (say > www.freebsd.org) where the host lies. Then determine if it's part of > a huge ISP such as UUNET and have one server designated for a group > of large ISPs based on number of hops to a certain cvsup server. > This should hopefully scale without much attendence since it will > be unlikely that suddenly everyone on UUNet (or other large ISP) > decides to use FreeBSD. > > I'm sure I'm overlooking something major, but this sounds like a possible > solution. > > -- > scott > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= CollabNet | open source | do what's right | now hiring To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 9:59:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awww.jeah.net (awww.jeah.net [216.111.239.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A128537B4CF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by awww.jeah.net (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eALI1RN31948 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:01:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:01:27 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Byrnes To: stable@FREEBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. In-Reply-To: <20001121082750.A2922@citusc17.usc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > No longer correct. You don't need to futz with libraries and symlinks > any more, only change the value of the passwd_format login capability > in /etc/login.conf. The default is MD5 passwords for new accounts. Hrm -- I find it odd that half of my passwords were changed to MD5 and half were left DES in the upgrade, then. Any reason for this? -Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 10:26:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.a1.org.uk (ns.a1.org.uk [194.105.64.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD28637B4C5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:26:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by ns.a1.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA40356 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:23:52 GMT (envelope-from bap) From: Bap Message-Id: <200011211823.SAA40356@ns.a1.org.uk> Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. In-Reply-To: <20001121085551.A3534@citusc17.usc.edu> from Kris Kennaway at "Nov 21, 2000 08:55:51 am" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:23:51 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 11:49:33AM -0500, Sean O'Connell wrote: > > > This issue probably could stand a little more reinforcing (see below) > > > > grep passwd_format /usr/src/UPDATING > > Exit 1 > > UPDATING is for hoops to jump through in getting your system up to > date - I don't know that it's the right place for it. Surely UPDATING is where any issues that may occur when updating your system get mentioned. If login.conf was changed to reflect the change in default, then most people would pick this up in a meregemaster, or diff. So it should be in either UPDATING or login.conf(?). Bap. > > > Maybe we could add a > > > > :password_format=md5:\ > > > > to the default entry or create a commented out des login > > class like > > > > #des_users:\ > > # :password_format=des:\ > > # :tc=default: > > > > to clarify this a bit. I was surprised for a few minutes > > but ended up just adding the following to default > > I've already suggested this to Brian Feldman.. > > > :password_format=des:\ > > > > Also, as a side question, does passwd automagically stick to using > > DES for NIS-enabled machines so it doesn't corrupt NIS maps on other > > machines/os's? I suppose in a FreeBSD-only environment, this would > > not be a problem, but I have a bunch of Digital Unix machines that > > I have to support, as well. > > No. > > > Point of clarification: based on the ERRATA, should I add the > > passwd_format=des to all my machines to preserve interoperablity? > > If you want the same NIS password map to be used on "legacy" UNIXes > which don't talk MD5 they have to be DES passwords. Standalone > machines should be MD5 for greater security. > > Kris [application/pgp-signature is not supported, skipping...] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 10:52:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3849A37B4D7 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:52:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10375; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:50:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200011211850.LAA10375@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-Reply-To: <200011211532.eALFWnB24065@cwsys.cwsent.com> from Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group at "Nov 21, 0 07:32:38 am" To: Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:50:49 -0700 (MST) Cc: uwe@ptc.spbu.ru, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: >> The last time this got beat to death, John Baldwin suggested moving >> the option out from sysinstall, but adding it to fdisk. That way >> newbies wouldn't see it up front, but it would still be available to >> folks who knew what they were doing and wanted to do it. > > To manually create a DD disk, you don't need an option added to fdisk. > Just disklabel the disk instead of fdisking it. I think John's point was to make it less likely a newbie (or otherwise clueless individal) would create a DD disk thinking it sounded cool. So, it wasn't so much that the option should be in fdisk, but that it shouldn't be in sysinstall. And fdisk =does= seem like a logical place for it. That's where you'd go to make a non-DD disk that used the whole drive. This system I'm typing on has a properly fdisk'd boot drive and a bunch of DD SCSI disks as the rest. I'm happy with that, but I understand (given how obscure this issue is) the wish to make it a little tougher to do. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 10:54:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E01B037B479; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:54:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10421; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:54:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200011211854.LAA10421@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. In-Reply-To: <20001121114933.D27266@stat.Duke.EDU> from Sean O'Connell at "Nov 21, 0 11:49:33 am" To: sean@stat.Duke.EDU Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:54:49 -0700 (MST) Cc: kris@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Sean O'Connell wrote: > : No longer correct. You don't need to futz with libraries and symlinks > : any more, only change the value of the passwd_format login capability > : in /etc/login.conf. The default is MD5 passwords for new accounts. And to clarify the question asked earlier, can the passwd_format keyword live outside the default stanza? In other words, can we support mixed password formats? -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 11: 3: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9DE337B479 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:02:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eALJ2NT18016; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:02:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200011211850.LAA10375@freeway.dcfinc.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:02:32 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: "Chad R. Larson" Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org, uwe@ptc.spbu.ru, Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 21-Nov-00 Chad R. Larson wrote: > As I recall, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: >>> The last time this got beat to death, John Baldwin suggested moving >>> the option out from sysinstall, but adding it to fdisk. That way >>> newbies wouldn't see it up front, but it would still be available to >>> folks who knew what they were doing and wanted to do it. >> >> To manually create a DD disk, you don't need an option added to fdisk. >> Just disklabel the disk instead of fdisking it. > > I think John's point was to make it less likely a newbie (or > otherwise clueless individal) would create a DD disk thinking it > sounded cool. So, it wasn't so much that the option should be in > fdisk, but that it shouldn't be in sysinstall. And fdisk =does= > seem like a logical place for it. That's where you'd go to make a > non-DD disk that used the whole drive. Hmm, I don't recall making this suggestion. :-P Taking it out of sysinstall would needlessly complicate the lives of people who might actually need it. disklabel(8) can already do this via 'disklabel ad0 auto'. I think my suggestion might have been to change how sysinstall works though, so that instead of prompting the user, the fdisk editor in sysinstall would have a seperate hotkey that you hit (other than 'A') that would do a dangerously dedicated disk. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 11:23:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB9237B4C5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:23:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA35478; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:23:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: FreeBSD Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel References: <200011201458.IAA44992@KIWI-Computer.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 21 Nov 2000 20:23:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: FreeBSD's message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:58:50 -0600 (CST)" Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD writes: > The problem with the fdisk slices is that there is only room for 4 ... > disklabel gives us 8, no wait.. 6 if you have a swap and 5 if you don't. Six (a, d, e, f, g, h) plus swap (b), and there's nothing that says b has to be a swap partition, so make that seven. There's nothing that says a swap partition has to be partition b either, BTW. Technically, you can use c as well, but that's playing with fire. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 11:55:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-178-138.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.178.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B430237B4F9; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:55:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eALK1Kh00570; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:01:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011212001.eALK1Kh00570@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "O. Hartmann" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMI Enterprise 1600 RAID and FBSD 4.2-STABLE In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:39:07 +0100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:01:20 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Please again read the page at http://people.freebsd.org/~msmith/RAID/index.html#ami which lists in complete detail all of the AMI models supported. > Dear Sirs. > > Now the focus goes on AMI Enterprise 1600 RAID controler for our > RAID solution and I want to ask whether this controler is also > supported by FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE. > > I was told that FreeBSD 4.2 will support AMI Elite 1600 RAID > and I hope due to similar or identical design it will support > the bigger type, too. Please could anyone, who has e deeper insight > into what's supported an what not tell me what the status of > support of AMI Enterprise 1600 RAID is? > > Many thanks in advance, > > Oliver > > - > MfG > O. Hartmann > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de > > Klimadatenserver-Abteilung des IPA > IT Netz- und Systembetreuung > Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz > Becherweg 21 > D-55099 Mainz > BRD/Germany > > Tel: +496131/3924662 > FAX: +496131/3923532 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 12: 7: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 178BB37B4C5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19053; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:05:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00121; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:05:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14874.54687.892854.894715@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:05:51 -0700 (MST) To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: FreeBSD , Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel In-Reply-To: References: <200011201458.IAA44992@KIWI-Computer.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > FreeBSD writes: > > The problem with the fdisk slices is that there is only room for 4 ... > > disklabel gives us 8, no wait.. 6 if you have a swap and 5 if you don't. > > Six (a, d, e, f, g, h) plus swap (b), and there's nothing that says b > has to be a swap partition, so make that seven. There's nothing that > says a swap partition has to be partition b either, BTW. > > Technically, you can use c as well, but that's playing with fire. I think 'c' is reserved to be the disk. If nothing else, it *must* start at the beginning of the disk. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 12:12:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0578F37B4C5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:12:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA35665; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:12:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Cc: FreeBSD , Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel References: <200011201458.IAA44992@KIWI-Computer.com> <14874.54687.892854.894715@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 21 Nov 2000 21:12:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: Nate Williams's message of "Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:05:51 -0700 (MST)" Message-ID: Lines: 12 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nate Williams writes: > > Technically, you can use c as well, but that's playing with fire. > I think 'c' is reserved to be the disk. If nothing else, it *must* > start at the beginning of the disk. Historically, yes, but I don't think the kernel cares, though (parts of) userland may care to a varying degree depending on exactly what you are trying to do. I haven't actually checked this, though. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 12:19:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.com (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6094537B4C5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:19:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ABBE177E17; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:26:06 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <027601c053f9$3ede6be0$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: Cc: References: <200011211850.LAA10375@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:25:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think I originally installed it on my 2.2.5 machine when it first came out because I knew freebsd would be the only os on there. I didn't know that it was a workaround for some machines that had problems. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad R. Larson" To: Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 12:50 PM Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) > As I recall, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > >> The last time this got beat to death, John Baldwin suggested moving > >> the option out from sysinstall, but adding it to fdisk. That way > >> newbies wouldn't see it up front, but it would still be available to > >> folks who knew what they were doing and wanted to do it. > > > > To manually create a DD disk, you don't need an option added to fdisk. > > Just disklabel the disk instead of fdisking it. > > I think John's point was to make it less likely a newbie (or > otherwise clueless individal) would create a DD disk thinking it > sounded cool. So, it wasn't so much that the option should be in > fdisk, but that it shouldn't be in sysinstall. And fdisk =does= > seem like a logical place for it. That's where you'd go to make a > non-DD disk that used the whole drive. > > This system I'm typing on has a properly fdisk'd boot drive and a > bunch of DD SCSI disks as the rest. I'm happy with that, but I > understand (given how obscure this issue is) the wish to make it a > little tougher to do. > > -crl > -- > Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? > chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net > DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 12:25:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4323E37B4D7 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA19952 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:25:07 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda19946; Tue Nov 21 12:24:57 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eALKOqA02329 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdNM2327; Tue Nov 21 12:23:58 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eALKNwF25397 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:23:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011212023.eALKNwF25397@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdN25393; Tue Nov 21 12:23:27 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel In-reply-to: Your message of "21 Nov 2000 20:23:46 +0100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:23:26 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: > FreeBSD writes: > > The problem with the fdisk slices is that there is only room for 4 ... > > disklabel gives us 8, no wait.. 6 if you have a swap and 5 if you don't. > > Six (a, d, e, f, g, h) plus swap (b), and there's nothing that says b > has to be a swap partition, so make that seven. There's nothing that > says a swap partition has to be partition b either, BTW. > > Technically, you can use c as well, but that's playing with fire. I'm on tangent mode this afternoon, so this is not a direct reply. The use of various slices, e.g. "c" for the whole disk, is steeped in tradition, when some sites would use a dd(1) command to backup disks to tape or to other disks. Similarly slice "a" was used for the root partition and slice "b" was used for swap, and "g" & "h" were used for /usr and /export -- at least that's the say Sun sets up their systems. The "d" and "e" slices were used to divide the disk in half, if you didn't want to use any of the others. For the newbies out there, read Evi Nemith's UNIX System Administration Handbook. The first edition had a good explanation of this topic with pictures. For you newbies out there, the concept of slices and partitions in the same breath may seem overwhelming, however here is how it works. FreeBSD partitions a disk using the classic PC fdisk partitions (slices in FreeBSD speak), so that a disk may be shared with non-FreeBSD operating systems. Disklabel partitions (partitions in FreeBSD speak) are the native BSD and UNIX way of partitioning a disk. As FreeBSD is only supposed (logically from our point of view) to see the FreeBSD partition and ignore the rest (non-FreeBSD slices for all intents and purposes don't exist when we're running FreeBSD just like FreeBSD slices don't exist when you're running NT), the partitions within a slice mimic the traditional partitions on a disk on other UNIX systems, e.g. Suns. You newbies can consider FreeBSD partitions as Microsoft/IBM extended partitions. The other thing you newbies will notice is the word partition and slice being used interchangeably. BSD documentation uses the word partition to describe a partition in the context of disklabel. Of course IBM and Microsoft also use that word to describe fdisk partitions (slices in FreeBSD speak). To add to the confusion, Sun and AT&T used the word slices to describe their version of disklabel partitions, created by a format(8) command. This confusion of terms even confuses me who has been working on UNIX for quite some time. Just as everything else in UNIX-land is supposed to be standard, every vendor and author of software in this business recycles terms for their use. Here's a Rosetta Stone for all you newbies who may be terribly confused by all this partitions and slices speak. Unit FreeBSD Speak M$/IBM Speak Sun/AT&T ~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ fdisk partition slice partition - disklabel partition partition extended partition slice Of course Microsoft used AT&T's term slice to denote a disklabel partition when they marketed Xenix. Hence once again confusion reigns in the IT industry. (Don't even get me started about the telecommunications industry). For you newbies, if you use the above table, hopefully you'll be less confused. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 12:35: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7459737B4CF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:34:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA19990; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:33:07 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda19988; Tue Nov 21 12:33:02 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eALKWu002377; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:32:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdVr2369; Tue Nov 21 12:31:58 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eALKVwl25437; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:31:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011212031.eALKVwl25437@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdT25433; Tue Nov 21 12:31:28 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , FreeBSD , Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:05:51 MST." <14874.54687.892854.894715@nomad.yogotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:31:28 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <14874.54687.892854.894715@nomad.yogotech.com>, Nate Williams writes : > > FreeBSD writes: > > > The problem with the fdisk slices is that there is only room for 4 ... > > > disklabel gives us 8, no wait.. 6 if you have a swap and 5 if you don't. > > > > Six (a, d, e, f, g, h) plus swap (b), and there's nothing that says b > > has to be a swap partition, so make that seven. There's nothing that > > says a swap partition has to be partition b either, BTW. > > > > Technically, you can use c as well, but that's playing with fire. > > I think 'c' is reserved to be the disk. If nothing else, it *must* > start at the beginning of the disk. "c" doesn't have to be the entire disk, though IMO one would be a fool to fool around with it. FreeBSD is quite forgiving if you don't have a partition that starts at the start of the disk because you can always use the "parent" device node to access it. Under some vendor UNIXen, you don't have that luxury. I agree in a BSD world "c" should be the entire disk or fdisk partition. In a SYSV world, slice "2" should be the entire disk. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 12:35:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71F837B4CF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:35:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA20001; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:35:07 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda19993; Tue Nov 21 12:35:02 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eALKYvG02387; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:34:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdXd2384; Tue Nov 21 12:33:59 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.1/8.9.1) id eALKXxk25460; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:33:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011212033.eALKXxk25460@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdi25450; Tue Nov 21 12:33:11 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:23:26 PST." <200011212023.eALKNwF25397@cwsys.cwsent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:33:11 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I see that my table didn't format properly. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC In message <200011212023.eALKNwF25397@cwsys.cwsent.com>, Cy Schubert - ITSD Ope n Systems Group writes: > In message , Dag-Erling Smorgrav > writes: > > FreeBSD writes: > > > The problem with the fdisk slices is that there is only room for 4 ... > > > disklabel gives us 8, no wait.. 6 if you have a swap and 5 if you don't. > > > > Six (a, d, e, f, g, h) plus swap (b), and there's nothing that says b > > has to be a swap partition, so make that seven. There's nothing that > > says a swap partition has to be partition b either, BTW. > > > > Technically, you can use c as well, but that's playing with fire. > > I'm on tangent mode this afternoon, so this is not a direct reply. > > The use of various slices, e.g. "c" for the whole disk, is steeped in > tradition, when some sites would use a dd(1) command to backup disks to > tape or to other disks. Similarly slice "a" was used for the root > partition and slice "b" was used for swap, and "g" & "h" were used for > /usr and /export -- at least that's the say Sun sets up their systems. > The "d" and "e" slices were used to divide the disk in half, if you > didn't want to use any of the others. > > For the newbies out there, read Evi Nemith's UNIX System Administration > Handbook. The first edition had a good explanation of this topic with > pictures. > > For you newbies out there, the concept of slices and partitions in the > same breath may seem overwhelming, however here is how it works. > > FreeBSD partitions a disk using the classic PC fdisk partitions (slices > in FreeBSD speak), so that a disk may be shared with non-FreeBSD > operating systems. Disklabel partitions (partitions in FreeBSD speak) > are the native BSD and UNIX way of partitioning a disk. As FreeBSD is > only supposed (logically from our point of view) to see the FreeBSD > partition and ignore the rest (non-FreeBSD slices for all intents and > purposes don't exist when we're running FreeBSD just like FreeBSD > slices don't exist when you're running NT), the partitions within a > slice mimic the traditional partitions on a disk on other UNIX systems, > e.g. Suns. You newbies can consider FreeBSD partitions as > Microsoft/IBM extended partitions. > > The other thing you newbies will notice is the word partition and slice > being used interchangeably. BSD documentation uses the word partition > to describe a partition in the context of disklabel. Of course IBM and > Microsoft also use that word to describe fdisk partitions (slices in > FreeBSD speak). To add to the confusion, Sun and AT&T used the word > slices to describe their version of disklabel partitions, created by a > format(8) command. This confusion of terms even confuses me who has > been working on UNIX for quite some time. Just as everything else in > UNIX-land is supposed to be standard, every vendor and author of > software in this business recycles terms for their use. > > Here's a Rosetta Stone for all you newbies who may be terribly confused > by all this partitions and slices speak. > > Unit FreeBSD Speak M$/IBM Speak > Sun/AT&T > ~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~ > fdisk partition slice partition - > disklabel partition partition extended partition slice > > Of course Microsoft used AT&T's term slice to denote a disklabel > partition when they marketed Xenix. > > Hence once again confusion reigns in the IT industry. (Don't even get > me started about the telecommunications industry). > > For you newbies, if you use the above table, hopefully you'll be less > confused. > > > Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 > Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 > Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca > Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA > Province of BC > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 12:43:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2352C37B4C5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:43:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA46360; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:43:24 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:43:23 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: gerti-freebsds@bitart.com Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Francisco Reyes Subject: Re: 4.2 Showstopper? Belkin KVM switch problems with FreeBSD 4.2 (Keyboard not found) In-Reply-To: <20001120232303.12961.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Gerd Knops wrote: > Since I updated from 4.1 to 4.2RC1, my Belkin OmnieView Pro > (F1D108-OSD) is not working properly anymore. The symptoms: If the > system is rebooted while selected on the KVM switch, everything is > fine. If the system is rebooted while another system is selected, > the keyboard is not found: I doubt this is FreeBSD's problem. If you switch between systems with that switch WHILE the system is booting, you get these problems. If you leave it alone and don't switch to or away from that system while it is booting, it works fine. I've seen the same problem with a similar KVM switch, the Belkin F1D208-OSD, which is just a two-user/eight-machine version of the one you have. The problem occurred on older versions of FreeBSD (2.2.8 and 3.5) and even on NT4 Server. Anyway, I'll update the 4.1.1-STABLE box I have on there to 4.2-STABLE just to make sure. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For IA32 and Alpha architectures. IA64 and PowerPC under development. http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 12:46: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B27237B4CF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:45:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 21 Nov 2000 20:45:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:45:56 +0000 From: David Malone To: Matt Bettinger Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Panic during disconnect of USB LPT device Message-ID: <20001121204556.A81426@walton.maths.tcd.ie> References: <71F816A89AA9D3119F4C00D0B7094EFC2397B3@FIN_SYN> <71F816A89AA9D3119F4C00D0B7094EFC2062FB@FIN_SYN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <71F816A89AA9D3119F4C00D0B7094EFC2062FB@FIN_SYN>; from mattb@finsyn.com on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 07:53:01AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Machine crashing on printer disconnection] A patch for something like this was recently applied to -current, but it's not clear if it would fix the problem. You could try it and see. Nick Hibma would probably merge the change if it helped. David. Index: src/sys/dev/usb/ulpt.c diff -c src/sys/dev/usb/ulpt.c:1.32 src/sys/dev/usb/ulpt.c:1.33 *** src/sys/dev/usb/ulpt.c:1.32 Tue Oct 10 13:41:46 2000 --- src/sys/dev/usb/ulpt.c Tue Nov 7 10:50:34 2000 *************** *** 426,431 **** --- 426,436 ---- if (error != EWOULDBLOCK) { sc->sc_state = 0; return (error); + } + + if (sc->sc_dying) { + sc->sc_state = 0; + return (ENXIO); } } To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 12:54: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0B437B479 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:54:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA10892; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:52:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200011212052.NAA10892@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel In-Reply-To: <200011212031.eALKVwl25437@cwsys.cwsent.com> from Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group at "Nov 21, 0 12:31:28 pm" To: Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:52:27 -0700 (MST) Cc: nate@yogotech.com, des@ofug.org, freebsd@KIWI-Computer.com, Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > "c" doesn't have to be the entire disk, though IMO one would be a fool > to fool around with it. FreeBSD is quite forgiving if you don't have > a partition that starts at the start of the disk because you can > always use the "parent" device node to access it. Under some vendor > UNIXen, you don't have that luxury. I agree in a BSD world "c" should > be the entire disk or fdisk partition. In a SYSV world, slice "2" > should be the entire disk. Again, on our SysV Pyramids, the whole disk is slice 7. Back when Pyramids ran a kludged 4.2BSD it was slice "h" (still the seventh slice). These, like "c" in FreeBSD, are by convention. You can move things around if you like; the kernel doesn't care. But there are a lot of userland programs, mostly the ones you find documented in the 1M section of the SysV man pages and section 8 of the BSD man pages, that will do surprising things if you don't follow that convention. Solaris, which also claims to be SysV (in some goofy definition of "claims") sticks us with not enough slices. I think we should put this to rest by saying, "It's platform dependent" and leave it at that. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 12:58:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5719237B4CF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA28576; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:58:38 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-67.max1.wa.cyberlynk.net(207.227.118.67) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma028574; Tue Nov 21 14:58:22 2000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20001121142610.02280f00@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:57:37 -0600 To: Chris Byrnes From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <20001121082750.A2922@citusc17.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:01 PM 11/21/00 -0600, Chris Byrnes wrote: > > No longer correct. You don't need to futz with libraries and symlinks > > any more, only change the value of the passwd_format login capability > > in /etc/login.conf. The default is MD5 passwords for new accounts. > >Hrm -- I find it odd that half of my passwords were changed to MD5 and >half were left DES in the upgrade, then. Any reason for this? Possibly and the reason why is that when using adduser the account is created with a DES password. Changing it with 'passwd ' will then "default" to an MD5 password. For the account to be created with a MD5 password login.conf _must_ have a ":passwd_format=md5:" for the class used and cap_mkdb must be run. A fresh install has no login.conf.db and running cap_mkdb on it will not change this behavior. Looks like the entry in ERRATA.TXT needs some polishing. Did you change the password for accounts that are now using MD5? Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 12:59:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from agena.meridian-enviro.com (thunder.meridian-enviro.com [207.109.234.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6D537B4CF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:59:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from delta.meridian-enviro.com (delta.meridian-enviro.com [10.10.10.43]) by agena.meridian-enviro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA52728 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:59:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rand@meridian-enviro.com) Received: (from rand@localhost) by delta.meridian-enviro.com (8.11.1/8.9.2) id eALKxht15876; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:59:43 -0600 (CST) From: "Douglas K. Rand" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14874.57919.214727.731216@delta.meridian-enviro.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:59:43 -0600 (CST) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: pam_ssh problems X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid X-Face: $L%T~#'9fAQ])o]A][d7EH`V;"_;2K;TEPQB=v]rDf_2s%) at dpylist.c:55 #11 0x8050257 in StartDisplays () at dm.c:571 #12 0x804f638 in main (argc=2, argv=0xbfbff708) at dm.c:185 #13 0x804a5c8 in _start (arguments=0xbfbff818 "-:0 ") at /usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/crt1.c:96 The code seems to be launching the module, but I can't figure out which module it is having trouble with, although I expect it is pam_ssh.so. Here are a few more details from gdb: (gdb) print *h $8 = {must_fail = 0, func = 0x283ea1a0, actions = {-1, -3 , -1, -3 , 0, -3, -3, -3, -3, -3, -3}, argc = 0, argv = 0x0, next = 0x0} (gdb) print *pamh $9 = {authtok = 0x0, pam_conversation = 0x8065de0, oldauthtok = 0x0, prompt = 0x0, service_name = 0x8065dc0 "wdm", user = 0x8065dd0 "user", rhost = 0x0, ruser = 0x0, tty = 0x8065e00 ":0", pam_default_log = { ident = 0x0, option = 0, facility = 0}, data = 0x8065f50, env = 0x8065df0, fail_delay = {set = PAM_FALSE, delay = 0, begin = 974839469, delay_fn_ptr = 0x0}, handlers = {module = 0x806a6c0, modules_allocated = 4, modules_used = 3, handlers_loaded = 1, conf = { authenticate = 0x8069400, setcred = 0x8069500, acct_mgmt = 0x8069800, open_session = 0x8069900, close_session = 0x8069a00, chauthtok = 0x8069b00}, other = {authenticate = 0x8069c00, setcred = 0x8069d00, acct_mgmt = 0x8069e00, open_session = 0x0, close_session = 0x0, chauthtok = 0x0}}, former = {choice = 0, depth = 0, impression = 0, status = 0, want_user = 0, prompt = 0x0, update = PAM_FALSE}} I don't know if anybody else is having this problem, or know how to fix it, but any assistance would be usefule. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 13:10:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (mg128-177.ricochet.net [204.179.128.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E2337B4C5; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:10:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00447; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:09:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200011212109.NAA00447@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:09:27 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: Re: 4.2-RC1 not (easily) bootable To: msmith@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: khera@kciLink.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200011201941.eAKJfWF13969@mass.osd.bsdi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 20 Nov, Mike Smith wrote: >> >>>>> "DO" == David O'Brien writes: >> >> DO> Why did you choose a "dangerously dedicated" install? "dangerously >> DO> dedicated" might go away in the future (as it doesn't leave space enough >> DO> space for boot0). Unless the normal slice configuration won't work for >> DO> you, there really is no good reason to use "dangerously dedicated". >> >> I have two machines that wouldn't boot unless I installed them in DD >> mode. Am I to infer that at some date they will no longer run >> FreeBSD because DD mode goes away? > > Nope. You will just have to install them correctly, and you'll be fine. > Why does this feel like the phone company talking? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 13:14:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gw-nl1.origin-it.com (gw-nl1.origin-it.com [193.79.128.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00AED37B479 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:14:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.de.origin-it.com (localhost.origin-it.com [127.0.0.1]) by gw-nl1.origin-it.com with ESMTP id WAA25496; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:13:40 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from Helge.Oldach@de.origin-it.com) Received: from smtprelay-de1.origin-it.com(172.16.188.53) by gw-nl1.origin-it.com via mwrap (4.0a) id xma025494; Tue, 21 Nov 00 22:13:40 +0100 Received: from mailhub.de.origin-it.com (mailhub.de.origin-it.com [172.16.189.20]) by mail.de.origin-it.com (8.9.3/8.8.5-1.2.2m-19990317) with ESMTP id WAA09364; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:13:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from galaxy.de.cp.philips.com (galaxy.de.cp.philips.com [130.143.166.29]) by mailhub.de.origin-it.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/hmo23oct00) with ESMTP id eALLDYY31596; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:13:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Helge.Oldach@de.origin-it.com) Received: (from hmo@localhost) by galaxy.de.cp.philips.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/hmo14aug98) id WAA25921; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:13:33 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200011212113.WAA25921@galaxy.de.cp.philips.com> Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated In-Reply-To: <200011210517.WAA08133@freeway.dcfinc.com> from "Chad R. Larson" at "Nov 20, 2000 10:17:18 pm" To: chad@DCFinc.com Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:13:32 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net, imp@village.org, bfoz@glue.umd.edu, Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, roelof@eboa.com From: Helge Oldach X-Address: Atos Origin, Billstrasse 80, D-20539 Hamburg, Germany X-Phone: +49 40 7886 464, Fax: +49 40 7886 235, Mobile: +49 172 4515513 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chad R. Larson: >I think earlier in this thread was a reference to a document somewhat >later than the BIOS code shipped with an AT. Which probably makes some sense as FreeBSD won't run on a plain IBM AT box anyway... >Do we want to start a new thread on what exactly =is= the authoritative >documentation for PC architecture? > >The real issue is FreeBSD has to be able to boot on the hardware that's >in the stores. Having abandoned my i486 Overdrive box just a week ago in favor of a decent 166 MHz (gee!) Pentium CPU, I'd like to claim that FreeBSD should be able to boot on hardware that's in the field rather than in the stores. That's definitely the bigger number of variants. Helge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 13:20:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zcamail03.zca.compaq.com (zcamail03.zca.compaq.com [161.114.32.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A67237B4D7 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:20:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by zcamail03.zca.compaq.com (Postfix, from userid 12345) id 615F5515; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:20:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from exchou-gh01.cca.cpqcorp.net (exchou-gh01.cca.cpqcorp.net [16.110.248.201]) by zcamail03.zca.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7DDD22A for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:20:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by exchou-gh01.cca.cpqcorp.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) id ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:20:31 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Srinath, B.V." To: "'freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: subscribe freebsd-stable Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:20:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 13:22:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pcwin002.win.tue.nl (pcwin002.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BCA37B479 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:22:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by pcwin002.win.tue.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 02DE613418; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:20:34 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:20:34 +0100 From: Stijn Hoop To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel Message-ID: <20001121222034.A80002@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> References: <200011212023.eALKNwF25397@cwsys.cwsent.com> <200011212033.eALKXxk25460@cwsys.cwsent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011212033.eALKXxk25460@cwsys.cwsent.com>; from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 12:33:11PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 12:33:11PM -0800, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > > > > I'm on tangent mode this afternoon, so this is not a direct reply. > > [excellent explanation that makes perfect sense snipped for brevity] Even if there's nothing else gained by this discussion, can this be put in the handbook? This is definitely a very good explanation of the whole situation wrt slices/partitions and FreeBSD/other OSes. --Stijn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 13:26:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from p0016c23.us.kpmg.com (p0016c23.us.kpmg.com [199.207.255.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2177037B4CF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:26:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from p0016c56 by p0016c23.us.kpmg.com(Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA24473 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:26:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from p0016c22.kweb.us.kpmg.com by p0016c56 via smtpd (for [199.207.255.23]) with SMTP; 21 Nov 2000 21:26:31 UT Received: from usnssexc19.kweb.us.kpmg.com by kpmg.com(Pro-8.9.2/Pro-8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA16263 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:26:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from usnssexc19.kweb.us.kpmg.com (unverified) by usnssexc19.kweb.us.kpmg.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:26:23 -0500 Received: by usnssexc19.kweb.us.kpmg.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:26:23 -0500 Message-Id: <7799D023E51ED311BFB50008C75DD7B402881AB1@uschiexc05.kweb.us.kpmg.com> From: "Passki, Jonathan P" To: "'freebsd-stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: Release Information Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:26:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello All, When does the release information on the website usually get updated (http://www.freebsd.org/releases/index.html)? I've been slightly following the list, but I was just looking for a summary of changes and enhancements from 4.1.1 to 4.2. Jon ***************************************************************************** The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. ***************************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 13:40: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (mg128-177.ricochet.net [204.179.128.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CB437B4D7; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:40:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00483; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:39:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200011212139.NAA00483@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:39:04 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: Re: The code freeze in RELENG_4 for src is now over. To: jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, developers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <73036.974743516@winston.osd.bsdi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 20 Nov, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > The 4.2 RELEASE has been rolled and you may now go back to your usual > restrained hacking on -stable. That is all. > Jordan, Sorry to bother, but when will the new Release be online. I'm not familiar with your procedure. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 13:47:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www.freebsdbox.com (unknown [216.199.94.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30EDB37B4D7 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:47:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by www.freebsdbox.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eALLpTT11849 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:51:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@freebsdbox.com) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:51:29 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Steinfeld To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: perl locale not set Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I installed 4.1-release from a .ISO from ftp.freebsd.org I see that my locale is note set when ever I attempt to run my perl scripts... I keep getting ... perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LC_ALL = (unset), LC_CTYPE = "en_US", LANG = (unset) are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). I looked thru the handbooke and mailing list to find out how to set my locale, but no luck ... If anyone can please let me know ... I would appreciate it. thanks, -mike I am not currently subscribed to the list so please forward me a copy of your reply as well ... thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 13:54:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com [171.69.43.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4297C37B4C5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:54:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20087; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:54:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eALLs6E17086; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:54:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200011212154.eALLs6E17086@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Passki, Jonathan P" Cc: "'freebsd-stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Release Information In-Reply-To: <7799D023E51ED311BFB50008C75DD7B402881AB1@uschiexc05.kweb.us.kpmg.com> References: <7799D023E51ED311BFB50008C75DD7B402881AB1@uschiexc05.kweb.us.kpmg.com> Comments: In-reply-to "Passki, Jonathan P" message dated "Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:26:17 -0500." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1560916018P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:54:06 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --==_Exmh_1560916018P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, "Passki, Jonathan P" wrote: > When does the release information on the website usually get updated > (http://www.freebsd.org/releases/index.html)? I've been slightly following > the list, but I was just looking for a summary of changes and enhancements > from 4.1.1 to 4.2. The Web site gets regenerated periodically (once or twice per day?). jkh committed the change to the relevant files, but might not be visible for a little while. Each release has a file named RELNOTES.TXT in its top-level directory (e.g. on the CD-ROM, on the FTP site, etc.) that describes the changes from the prior version. This file contains the release notes describing (among other things) the changes from the previous -RELEASE. For this release, see: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.2-RELEASE/RELNOTES.TXT ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/4.2-RELEASE/RELNOTES.TXT (Pick the appropriate file for your architecture.) Bruce. --==_Exmh_1560916018P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE6Gu7+2MoxcVugUsMRAqI8AKDLqhSXv9S+H3L7+ttVPnI1qhCofwCgyLA1 3NlP6YiRtD3Ax8FrDlHmKiM= =WKzA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1560916018P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 14: 0:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CEB37B4F9 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:00:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from world.std.com (root@world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29204; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kwc@localhost) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21696; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:57:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:57:57 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth W Cochran Message-Id: <200011212157.QAA21696@world.std.com> To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 21 10:26:20 2000 >Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group >From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group >To: Zero Sum , jkh@FreeBSD.ORG >Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , > Stijn Hoop , FreeBSD , > stable@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel >Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:22:36 -0800 > >[...editing...] >> > > I'd like to see FreeBSD do the same as Linux on the i386 - use only >> > > the partition table, along with extended partitions. Do away with >> disklabel >> > > *on that platform*. >> > > >[... more editing...] >> > > One of the most FAQs I've heard from linux'ees that tried FreeBSD is >> > > 'why can't I install to an extended partition?' Fact is when I hear that >> > > question, I also wonder myself... >> > >[...more edits...] >> >> I do think that manipulating partitions in FreeBSD is rather harder than on >> any other Unix I have had to do it on. Moving things around in a dynamic (hmmm...) >> and fluid way (which I have always consider part of tuning) is - difficult. >> >> Some better partition management tools would be rather useful. I'll think >> on this and maybe do something. Suggestions welcome and solicited. [Can I >> get arrested of soliciting on a mailing list?] > >Before I start coding a proof of concept and reading the comments thus >far I'd like to have a consensus of whether it would be a worthwhile >effort or would it be a waste of my time? At first I thought it was a I think it would indeed be a worthwhile effort. >good idea to make FreeBSD partitions have an MS-DOS or failing that a >Linux look-and-feel. Judging from the feedback, I'm not so sure >whether it is a good idea or not. From what I can tell, most people >don't want any changes from the status quo. The status quo is ok, too, but some alternatives would be a Good Thing, I think... >I am not trying to keep the argument going here. If people generally >don't like the idea and thus my effort to implement this idea has no >chance of being used or incorporated into the system, then I want to >save myself some effort that might be wasted towards this endeavour and >put it to better use elsewhere. The last thing I want to do is force >this on anyone. Ok... Throwing in my $.02... My "gripes" (hmmm, too strong a word, sorry...) 1. I find BSD fdisk complex & unwieldy. I like the fdisk tools in Slackware Linux, specifically fdisk & cfdisk; Slackware's fdisk works enough like that in M$, SCO & Interactive (remember that? :) to be Reasonably Familiar. So, when I need to lay-out a hdd, I usually use the Slackware tools, but also PartitionMagic, depending on What I'm Trying To Do. Then I change the type indicator for BSD. Maybe some kind of "port" of Slackware's fdisk/cfdisk might be in order? 2. If I want to make more than 6 total filesystems on a hdd, I make more than 1 BSD slice (& on more than 1 HDD) & that's ok for now. But, that uses a (relatively scarce) Primary, so maybe it might be a Good Thing if "entries" in an Extended Partition could be used by *BSD (for "multiple" partitions a-h). (Hmmm, maybe it works; I haven't tried... :). Btw, is it Really OK for me to use partitions a & b (in another slice) for "regular" filesystems (as opposed to root & swap)? As someone suggested earlier, though, this thread should probably be better discussed in -arch (or maybe -hackers?). And as someone else has suggested, I think some kind of summary/synopsis/Rules-Of-The-Game would be *excellent* for the Handbook. Thanks, -kc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 14:24:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (mg128-177.ricochet.net [204.179.128.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE7C37B479 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:24:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00538; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:23:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200011212223.OAA00538@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:23:55 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated To: chad@DCFinc.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200011210517.WAA08133@freeway.dcfinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 20 Nov, Chad R. Larson wrote: > As I recall, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> The original IBM AT spec could give a rats ass about a partition >> table, all that it cares about is the boot block signature (magic >> 0xAA55). It is the MBR that knows what a partition table is and how >> to deal with it. The original spec says if there is a valid >> signature, load the code and jump to it passing the drive number in >> reg dl so that the boot code knows where it was loaded from. It was >> up to the MBR to decide what to do from then on. > > I think earlier in this thread was a reference to a document > somewhat later than the BIOS code shipped with an AT. > > Do we want to start a new thread on what exactly =is= the > authoritative documentation for PC architecture? > > The real issue is FreeBSD has to be able to boot on the hardware > that's in the stores. Who's wrong, though interesting, doesn't > matter. > I trimmed the CC line. It was getting a bit long. As per the spec relating to this. There is definitive information out there, That is how HD Mfgs are able to draw up new ATA specs. Most of the issue regarding this, in your outline are correct. In addition, the partition table, as has been, suggested, was not important to the IBM spec. However, many aftermarket vendors, especially the people that wrote drivers for Seagate, required the table to be in place. So, the table is important for that reason. In addition, many WinX and DOS vendors expect that some sort of table will be there. The other missing item is the magic number and a correct cksum for the block. The checksum is part of the spec and is usually written in to many install tools. However, even on this point many BIOS Mfgs ignore the cksums and just boot the system. That is, the load the code in the MBR and pass the instruction pointer to that code. Hence, even in some (now) rare cases the cksum is important. If I've mis-stated some parts, someone will correct me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 14:38:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (mg128-177.ricochet.net [204.179.128.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D37C37B479; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:38:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00557; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:37:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200011212237.OAA00557@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:37:34 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) To: msmith@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200011210442.eAL4gN900616@mass.osd.bsdi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 20 Nov, Mike Smith wrote: >> Let me state this one more time loudly for those calling themselves boot >> code experts. THE PARTITION TABLE IN THE MBR IS NOT DEALT WITH BY THE BIOS, >> BIOSES THAT TRY TO MAKE HEADS OR TALES OF PARTITION TABLES ARE TECHNICALLY >> BROKEN AND VIOLATE IBM AT COMPATIBILITY. If you doubt this go read about >> BIOS service 19H, IPL load. > > It doesn't matter how loudly you shout, or what exactly you stuff in your > ears. The fact is that this code exists, is part of the de-facto > platform standard, and has to be dealt with as such. > > You are welcome to continue to dual-boot FreeBSD and PC-DOS 2.0. In the > meantime, the rest of us are living in the real world, and dealing with > real-world problems. Please let us get on with what has to be done. > Thankyou. > Has it occured to you that perhaps there are people that really, really want DD? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 14:48:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.nxe.de (mail.nxe.de [212.42.225.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B3A637B4E5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:48:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.nxe.de (8.11.1/nora-20001113) for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org (envelope-from nora) id eALMmbU08051; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:48:37 +0100 (CET) Apparently-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:48:37 +0100 From: Nora Etukudo To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: RELEASE vs. Snapshot (BETA) question Message-ID: <20001121234837.A7270@mail.nxe.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello. What is ftp://releng4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/4.2-20001121-BETA (from Nov 21 13:49 GMT) related to ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.2-RELEASE (from Nov 20 17:49 GMT) The RELEASE seems older than the BETA. Liebe Grüße, Nora. -- nora@sappho-net.de http://www.sappho-net.de/ Lesbian Computer Networks, Finland http://www.sappho.net/ Web for Women (von Frauen, für Frauen) http://www.w4w.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 15: 3: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A44737B4D7 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:03:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1588 invoked by uid 0); 21 Nov 2000 20:15:42 -0000 Received: from p3ee21658.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO speedy.gsinet) (62.226.22.88) by mail.gmx.net (mail02) with SMTP; 21 Nov 2000 20:15:42 -0000 Received: (from sittig@localhost) by speedy.gsinet (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14861 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:53:10 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:53:10 +0100 From: Gerhard Sittig To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.2 Showstopper? Belkin KVM switch problems with FreeBSD 4.2 Message-ID: <20001121185310.K27042@speedy.gsinet> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20001121002924.13031.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> <200011210041.RAA29483@harmony.village.org> <20001121005224.13116.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20001121005224.13116.qmail@camelot.bitart.com>; from gerti@bitart.com on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 06:52:23PM -0600 Organization: System Defenestrators Inc. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 18:52 -0600, Gerd Knops wrote: > > KVM users heads up: In order to support USB keyboards > the generic kernel does not install an atkbd0 driver > if no keyboard is detected. Some KVMs fail to sufficiently > emulate a keyboard, causing the system to fail to detect a > keyboard if the system is not currently selected on the KVM > switch. This can be avoided by removing the 'flags 0x1' > portion in the atkbd0 line of the kernel configuration file, > then building and installing a new kernel. Is building and installing a new kernel necessary? Changing the flags in the USER_CONFIG menu or editing /boot/kernel.conf should suffice. So this could all be done at installation time and last for ever -- if I'm not overlooking some important point. virtually yours 82D1 9B9C 01DC 4FB4 D7B4 61BE 3F49 4F77 72DE DA76 Gerhard Sittig true | mail -s "get gpg key" Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 15: 3:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC18B37B663 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:03:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eALMxr478991; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:29:53 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:29:53 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: David Gilbert Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can I expect INVARIANTS and VINUM to play well together? Message-ID: <20001122092953.V71779@echunga.lemis.com> References: <14873.24814.809777.555306@trooper.velocet.net> <20001121113903.C71779@echunga.lemis.com> <14874.36116.48095.108547@trooper.velocet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <14874.36116.48095.108547@trooper.velocet.net>; from dgilbert@velocet.ca on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 09:56:20AM -0500 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday, 21 November 2000 at 9:56:20 -0500, David Gilbert wrote: >> "Greg" == Greg Lehey writes: > > Greg> In any case, Vinum was developed with INVARIANTS and > Greg> INVARIANT_SUPPORT, so I doubt this is your problem. If you do > Greg> have problems, of course, you should tell me about them. I note > Greg> that you've had problems with Vinum in the past, but this is the > Greg> first time you mention INVARIANTS. > > Hmmm... memory's vague now. May have been a kernel with invariant > support and vinum's module without. Hmm. I don't know whether that would cause the problem, but it's possible. > Would the new build scripts help this: where modules are rebuilt > with the kernel? Yes. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 15: 6:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A1437B4E5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:06:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eALN63I74728; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:06:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: "Passki, Jonathan P" Cc: "'freebsd-stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Release Information In-Reply-To: Message from "Passki, Jonathan P" of "Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:26:17 EST." <7799D023E51ED311BFB50008C75DD7B402881AB1@uschiexc05.kweb.us.kpmg.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:06:03 -0800 Message-ID: <74724.974847963@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > When does the release information on the website usually get updated > (http://www.freebsd.org/releases/index.html)? I've been slightly following > the list, but I was just looking for a summary of changes and enhancements > from 4.1.1 to 4.2. It's updated now; please wait 12 hours or so for the web page update script to run. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 15:13:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E7737B4D7 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:13:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eALNDII74796; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:13:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Nora Etukudo Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RELEASE vs. Snapshot (BETA) question In-Reply-To: Message from Nora Etukudo of "Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:48:37 +0100." <20001121234837.A7270@mail.nxe.de> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:13:18 -0800 Message-ID: <74793.974848398@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > ftp://releng4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/4.2-20001121-BETA > (from Nov 21 13:49 GMT) That's been fixed; I simply didn't get around to changing the BETA label until this morning and the release had already been rolled at 2am. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 15:16:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from envy.geekhouse.net (dhcp246.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF1E37B4C5; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:16:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jim@localhost) by envy.geekhouse.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eALNG4i01212; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:16:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:16:04 -0800 From: Jim Mock To: opentrax@email.com Cc: jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, developers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The code freeze in RELENG_4 for src is now over. Message-ID: <20001121151604.B1037@envy.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@lust.geekhouse.net References: <73036.974743516@winston.osd.bsdi.com> <200011212139.NAA00483@spammie.svbug.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.11i In-Reply-To: <200011212139.NAA00483@spammie.svbug.com>; from opentrax@email.com on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 01:39:04PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 at 13:39:04 -0800, opentrax@email.com wrote: > > > On 20 Nov, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > The 4.2 RELEASE has been rolled and you may now go back to your usual > > restrained hacking on -stable. That is all. > > > Jordan, > Sorry to bother, but when will the new Release be online. > I'm not familiar with your procedure. Erm, it's there, and has been since yesterday afternoon.. ncftp /.0/FreeBSD/releases/i386 > pwd ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/.0/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ ncftp /.0/FreeBSD/releases/i386 > ls -la ... drwxr-xr-x 19 2035 207 1024 Nov 20 17:49 4.2-RELEASE The ISO is there too.. ncftp ...leases/i386/ISO-IMAGES > pwd ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/.0/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ ncftp ...leases/i386/ISO-IMAGES > ls -la ... -rw-r--r-- 1 2035 207 667463680 Nov 20 21:08 4.2-install.iso - jim -- jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 15:28: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC36037B4CF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30454; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:28:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eALNS3d02098; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:28:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:28:02 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: "Sean O'Connell" Cc: FreeBSD stable Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: <20001121152802.A1910@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20001121135541.A14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20001121082750.A2922@citusc17.usc.edu> <20001121114933.D27266@stat.Duke.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001121114933.D27266@stat.Duke.EDU>; from sean@stat.Duke.EDU on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 11:49:33AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 11:49:33AM -0500, Sean O'Connell wrote: > This issue probably could stand a little more reinforcing (see below) I fully agree and had to spend more time figuring this out 3 weeks ago than I should have needed to. This work almost still feels like a WIP. > Maybe we could add a > > :password_format=md5:\ > > to the default entry I had this locally and have been considering committing it. Done. > or create a commented out des login class like I added this as well. It will come to -stable RSN with a future MFC. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 15:31:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54FC37B4D7; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:31:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30478; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:31:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eALNVDG02122; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:31:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:31:12 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: "Sean O'Connell" , FreeBSD stable , green@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: <20001121153112.B1910@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20001121135541.A14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20001121082750.A2922@citusc17.usc.edu> <20001121114933.D27266@stat.Duke.EDU> <20001121085551.A3534@citusc17.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001121085551.A3534@citusc17.usc.edu>; from kris@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 08:55:51AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 08:55:51AM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > Point of clarification: based on the ERRATA, should I add the > > passwd_format=des to all my machines to preserve interoperablity? > > If you want the same NIS password map to be used on "legacy" UNIXes > which don't talk MD5 they have to be DES passwords. Standalone > machines should be MD5 for greater security. When Kris and I discussed this functionality (before Brian went and did it); we talked about much higher granularity than Brian implemented: MD5 everywhere DES everywhere MD5 locally / DES yp Convert to MD5 Convert to DES Maybe in the future we'll get this level granularity. Or maybe this should have been folded into PAM (which really feels orphaned in FreeBSD and very few know the vision for PAM w/in FreeBSD). -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 15:32:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3F437B4CF; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:32:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30496; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:32:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eALNWoB02155; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:32:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:32:49 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Kris Kennaway Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: <20001121153249.C1910@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20001121135541.A14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20001121082750.A2922@citusc17.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001121082750.A2922@citusc17.usc.edu>; from kris@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 08:27:50AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 08:27:50AM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > No longer correct. You don't need to futz with libraries and symlinks > any more, Shouldn't we remove "NODESCRYPTLINKS" from /etc/defaults/make.conf and anywhere else it is still used? -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 15:38:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from escher.vanzoest.com (sfo-gw.covalent.net [207.44.198.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7EB3F37B4CF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:38:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 59198 invoked by uid 1021); 21 Nov 2000 23:40:23 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Nov 2000 23:40:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:40:23 -0800 (PST) From: Sander van Zoest X-Sender: sander@escher.vanzoest.com To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. In-Reply-To: <20001121153249.C1910@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 08:27:50AM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > No longer correct. You don't need to futz with libraries and symlinks > > any more, > > Shouldn't we remove "NODESCRYPTLINKS" from /etc/defaults/make.conf and > anywhere else it is still used? I do know that this define confused me several times while builing world. I didn't know if it would mean it would leave the links the way they were or it would re-link with md5 crypt links. It definately seemed to still affect things in my 4.1.1-STABLE version. -- Sander van Zoest [sander@covalent.net] Covalent Technologies, Inc. http://www.covalent.net/ (415) 536-5218 http://www.vanzoest.com/sander/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 16: 2:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [207.154.226.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08C3737B4CF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:02:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1098) id 77B6E2B2B0; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:02:36 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:02:36 -0600 From: Bill Fumerola To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: <20001121180236.U14080@elvis.mu.org> References: <20001121135541.A14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20001121082750.A2922@citusc17.usc.edu> <20001121114933.D27266@stat.Duke.EDU> <20001121085551.A3534@citusc17.usc.edu> <20001121153112.B1910@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001121153112.B1910@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 03:31:12PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.2-FEARSOME-20001103 i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 03:31:12PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > Maybe in the future we'll get this level granularity. Or maybe this > should have been folded into PAM (which really feels orphaned in FreeBSD > and very few know the vision for PAM w/in FreeBSD). It would be inappropriate for PAM to care, I don't really see what we need as far as a "vision" for PAM, its in our tree, lots of applications use it, some more should use it. I'm happy :-> -- Bill Fumerola - security yahoo / Yahoo! inc. - fumerola@yahoo-inc.com / billf@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 16:17: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de (ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE1637B4CF; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:16:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE (ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.54]) by ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAM0Ihc03743; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:18:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:18:43 +0100 (CET) From: "O. Hartmann" To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMI Enterprise 1600 RAID and FBSD 4.2-STABLE In-Reply-To: <200011212001.eALK1Kh00570@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Mike Smith wrote: Hello. Well, I'm so sorry asking that much, I read the manpages of mly and amr and I got the info I wanted. Well, today I heard that the release of the Mylex eXtreme RAID has been suspended for a while, I think until end of December. Thank you very much for your assistance. Oliver :> :>Please again read the page at :> :>http://people.freebsd.org/~msmith/RAID/index.html#ami :> :>which lists in complete detail all of the AMI models supported. :> :>> Dear Sirs. :>> :>> Now the focus goes on AMI Enterprise 1600 RAID controler for our :>> RAID solution and I want to ask whether this controler is also :>> supported by FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE. :>> :>> I was told that FreeBSD 4.2 will support AMI Elite 1600 RAID :>> and I hope due to similar or identical design it will support :>> the bigger type, too. Please could anyone, who has e deeper insight :>> into what's supported an what not tell me what the status of :>> support of AMI Enterprise 1600 RAID is? :>> :>> Many thanks in advance, :>> :>> Oliver :>> :>> - :>> MfG :>> O. Hartmann :>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- :>> ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de :>> :>> Klimadatenserver-Abteilung des IPA :>> IT Netz- und Systembetreuung :>> Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz :>> Becherweg 21 :>> D-55099 Mainz :>> BRD/Germany :>> :>> Tel: +496131/3924662 :>> FAX: +496131/3923532 :>> :>> :>> :>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message :>> :> :>-- :>... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his :>rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want :>to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force :>people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] :> V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E :> :> :> - MfG O. Hartmann ------------------------------------------------------------------- ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de Klimadatenserver-Abteilung des IPA IT Netz- und Systembetreuung Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz Becherweg 21 D-55099 Mainz BRD/Germany Tel: +496131/3924662 FAX: +496131/3923532 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 16:18: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A90937B479 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:17:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from isi.edu (hbo.isi.edu [128.9.160.75]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17797 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:17:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A1B10B1.4851D541@isi.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:17:53 -0800 From: Lars Eggert Organization: USC Information Sciences Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ATA_ENABLE_TAGS Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms05F4D846C571C25C60DEE986" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms05F4D846C571C25C60DEE986 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On a freshly updated 4.2-STABLE machine with an IBM DPTA drive, enabling tagged queueing in the kernel (ATA_ENABLE_TAGS) does nothing. Does the Intel ICH ATA66 controller not support this? (And if only some controllers support tagged queueing, maybe this could be indicated in the man page? 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Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I bought myself a Creative Nomad IImg mp3 player, which uses USB to copy things on and off the player and, alas, unsupported ... but I also bought a simple tech 64Mb smartmedia card and a smartmedia -> pcmcia adaptor. The pcmcia adaptor works fine with freebsd with this config; # simple technology smartmedia adpator card " " " " config 0x01 "ata" ? Yes, those are 5 spaces and 10 spaces. Weird, but it works. If you pop the smartmedia card out of the adaptor while the adaptor is still in the slot it picks this up as a card removal. I seem to have to remove and re-insert the pcmcia card if I insert it with no smartmedia in it, but other remove/inserts seem to work fine smartmedia cards are _tiny_ ... I copied some mp3s to the card with mtools set with 'mtools_skip_check=1', and they appear in the list on the nomad II and play fine ... So I can at least access the smartmedia half of my memory from freebsd, if not the USB connection and the internal half of the memory. P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 16:41:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.wedgev.com (cm57-70.liwest.at [212.33.57.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBB037B4CF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:41:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from wedge by smtp.wedgev.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1 (FreeBSD)) id 13yNyu-00010E-00 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:41:48 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:41:48 +0100 From: Bernhard Valenti To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: <20001122014148.A3437@cipher.home.at> Reply-To: Bernhard Valenti References: <20001121085551.A3534@citusc17.usc.edu> <200011211823.SAA40356@ns.a1.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011211823.SAA40356@ns.a1.org.uk>; from bap@a1.org.uk on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 06:23:51PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 06:23:51PM +0000, Bap wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 11:49:33AM -0500, Sean O'Connell wrote: > > UPDATING is for hoops to jump through in getting your system up to > > date - I don't know that it's the right place for it. > If login.conf was changed to reflect the change in default, then most people > would pick this up in a meregemaster, or diff. > So it should be in either UPDATING or login.conf(?). having a default in /etc/login.conf would really be the best idea i think. as almost everyone runs mergemaster after a update, people will notice something has changed. adding it to UPDATING would have been appropriate back when the change took place though(imo). kris, you mention that we dont need to bother with libraries and symlinks anymore.. can that be translated to: "NODESCRYPTLINKS=true" is obsolete now(its still in /etc/defaults/make.conf) ? regards, bernhard valenti To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 17:16:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9CE37B4D7 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAM1GkQ33213 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:16:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA39028 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:16:46 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011220116.SAA39028@harmony.village.org> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:23:51 GMT." <200011211823.SAA40356@ns.a1.org.uk> References: <200011211823.SAA40356@ns.a1.org.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:16:46 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200011211823.SAA40356@ns.a1.org.uk> Bap writes: : Surely UPDATING is where any issues that may occur when updating : your system get mentioned. If login.conf was changed to reflect the : change in default, then most people would pick this up in a : meregemaster, or diff. So it should be in either UPDATING or : login.conf(?). I think it should be in UPDATING, but haven't put it there yet. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 17:18:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79B337B4C5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:18:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAM1ITQ33221; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:18:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA39048; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:18:28 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011220118.SAA39048@harmony.village.org> To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel Cc: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams), FreeBSD , Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "21 Nov 2000 21:12:01 +0100." References: <200011201458.IAA44992@KIWI-Computer.com> <14874.54687.892854.894715@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:18:28 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: : Nate Williams writes: : > > Technically, you can use c as well, but that's playing with fire. : > I think 'c' is reserved to be the disk. If nothing else, it *must* : > start at the beginning of the disk. : : Historically, yes, but I don't think the kernel cares, though (parts : of) userland may care to a varying degree depending on exactly what : you are trying to do. I haven't actually checked this, though. The kernel does very much care. At least from my reading of sys/kern/subr_disk*.c. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 17:21:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6DC337B4C5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:21:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAM1LcQ33243; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:21:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA39083; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:21:38 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011220121.SAA39083@harmony.village.org> To: Kenneth W Cochran Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:57:57 EST." <200011212157.QAA21696@world.std.com> References: <200011212157.QAA21696@world.std.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:21:38 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200011212157.QAA21696@world.std.com> Kenneth W Cochran writes: : 1. I find BSD fdisk complex & unwieldy. I like the fdisk : tools in Slackware Linux, specifically fdisk & cfdisk; : Slackware's fdisk works enough like that in M$, SCO & : Interactive (remember that? :) to be Reasonably : Familiar. So, when I need to lay-out a hdd, I usually : use the Slackware tools, but also PartitionMagic, : depending on What I'm Trying To Do. Then I change the : type indicator for BSD. Maybe some kind of "port" of : Slackware's fdisk/cfdisk might be in order? I have a partial port of OpenBSD's fdisk, and it is much, much nicer. I also have a partial port of disklabel -E, but both of these have rotted so much they don't even compile any more. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 17:47:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from green.dyndns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7653537B479; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:47:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (cewqv5@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by green.dyndns.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAM1lQ562481; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:47:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from green@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200011220147.eAM1lQ562481@green.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: stable@FreeBSD.org Cc: "Sean O'Connell" , FreeBSD stable Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. In-Reply-To: Message from "David O'Brien" of "Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:31:12 PST." <20001121153112.B1910@dragon.nuxi.com> From: "Brian F. Feldman" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:47:25 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "David O'Brien" wrote: > On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 08:55:51AM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > Point of clarification: based on the ERRATA, should I add the > > > passwd_format=des to all my machines to preserve interoperablity? > > > > If you want the same NIS password map to be used on "legacy" UNIXes > > which don't talk MD5 they have to be DES passwords. Standalone > > machines should be MD5 for greater security. > > When Kris and I discussed this functionality (before Brian went and did > it); we talked about much higher granularity than Brian implemented: > > MD5 everywhere > DES everywhere > MD5 locally / DES yp How would this work? It would be nearly impossible to do in a reasonable way, as it appears to me. > Convert to MD5 > Convert to DES These are policies for applications including pw(8), passwd(1), etc. Personally, if anything I believe there should be a default (like in login.conf) and then a per-application override (like pw.conf). I don't really see how PAM enters into this part... > > Maybe in the future we'll get this level granularity. Or maybe this > should have been folded into PAM (which really feels orphaned in FreeBSD > and very few know the vision for PAM w/in FreeBSD). That doesn't actually address applications being able to use crypt(3) for either MD5 or DES though. Personally, I want to be able to make everything possible MD5 that is not required for interoperability, but use a strong hash otherwise; MD5 is a much more reasonable default because it is so much harder to crack than DES. Each app should be able to use crypt() but configure its behavior. At least this really does belong outside of PAM. > -- > -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) > GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX > -- Brian Fundakowski Feldman \ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! / green@FreeBSD.org `------------------------------' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 17:47:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from green.dyndns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7653537B479; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:47:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (cewqv5@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by green.dyndns.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAM1lQ562481; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:47:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from green@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200011220147.eAM1lQ562481@green.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: stable@FreeBSD.org Cc: "Sean O'Connell" , FreeBSD stable Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. In-Reply-To: Message from "David O'Brien" of "Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:31:12 PST." <20001121153112.B1910@dragon.nuxi.com> From: "Brian F. Feldman" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:47:25 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "David O'Brien" wrote: > On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 08:55:51AM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > Point of clarification: based on the ERRATA, should I add the > > > passwd_format=des to all my machines to preserve interoperablity? > > > > If you want the same NIS password map to be used on "legacy" UNIXes > > which don't talk MD5 they have to be DES passwords. Standalone > > machines should be MD5 for greater security. > > When Kris and I discussed this functionality (before Brian went and did > it); we talked about much higher granularity than Brian implemented: > > MD5 everywhere > DES everywhere > MD5 locally / DES yp How would this work? It would be nearly impossible to do in a reasonable way, as it appears to me. > Convert to MD5 > Convert to DES These are policies for applications including pw(8), passwd(1), etc. Personally, if anything I believe there should be a default (like in login.conf) and then a per-application override (like pw.conf). I don't really see how PAM enters into this part... > > Maybe in the future we'll get this level granularity. Or maybe this > should have been folded into PAM (which really feels orphaned in FreeBSD > and very few know the vision for PAM w/in FreeBSD). That doesn't actually address applications being able to use crypt(3) for either MD5 or DES though. Personally, I want to be able to make everything possible MD5 that is not required for interoperability, but use a strong hash otherwise; MD5 is a much more reasonable default because it is so much harder to crack than DES. Each app should be able to use crypt() but configure its behavior. At least this really does belong outside of PAM. > -- > -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) > GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX > -- Brian Fundakowski Feldman \ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! / green@FreeBSD.org `------------------------------' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 17:49:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6E837B479 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:49:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from isi.edu (hbo.isi.edu [128.9.160.75]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25881 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:49:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A1B2633.B290BF6A@isi.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:49:39 -0800 From: Lars Eggert Organization: USC Information Sciences Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: two identical PC cards Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------msECA2A066672E94FDE63C058C" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------msECA2A066672E94FDE63C058C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm trying to get FreeBSD to recognize two identical PC cards (3Com EtherLink III 3C589D) under -STABLE. The fist card attaches correctly, for the second card I see "No free configuration for Card 3Com Corporation" messages from pccardd. At first I thought I was out of IRQs, but modems and other (non-3C589D) cards attach as second cards. Envirnment: -STABLE from today. Kernel config has the line "options ep" in it. I'm using IRQs 3 and 4, all serial ports disabled in the BIOS, PnP turned off. The PC card bus uses IRQ 7 as management IRQ (all parallel ports disabled in the BIOS). Any ideas? Thanks, Lars PS: I just tried the same with two Linksys PCMPC100 cards, same result. 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Larson" Cc: sean@stat.Duke.EDU, kris@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: <20001121181257.A10816@citusc17.usc.edu> References: <20001121114933.D27266@stat.Duke.EDU> <200011211854.LAA10421@freeway.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="liOOAslEiF7prFVr" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011211854.LAA10421@freeway.dcfinc.com>; from chad@DCFinc.com on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 11:54:49AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --liOOAslEiF7prFVr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 11:54:49AM -0700, Chad R. Larson wrote: > As I recall, Sean O'Connell wrote: > > : No longer correct. You don't need to futz with libraries and symlinks > > : any more, only change the value of the passwd_format login capability > > : in /etc/login.conf. The default is MD5 passwords for new accounts. >=20 > And to clarify the question asked earlier, can the passwd_format > keyword live outside the default stanza? In other words, can we > support mixed password formats? Yes, it's just like any other login class. Whichever class a user is in, if that class has a passwd_format capability that is the type of password they will get, otherwise they'll get whatever is set in the default class, or "md5" if nothing at all is set. Kris --liOOAslEiF7prFVr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjobK6gACgkQWry0BWjoQKXOrQCfXx/zvB7nbNk0IqHoGPYyGGwk nJwAoKoy6D2wynSX4m9Yslm9Pq78z8Cd =sN8U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --liOOAslEiF7prFVr-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 20: 0:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wilson.acpub.duke.edu (wilson.acpub.duke.edu [152.3.233.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04F937B4E5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:00:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from bobzilla.adsl.duke.edu (bobzilla.adsl.duke.edu [152.16.67.15]) by wilson.acpub.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Duke-5.0.0) with ESMTP id XAA18547; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from sto@localhost) by bobzilla.adsl.duke.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAM40ju09787 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:00:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sto) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:00:45 -0500 From: "Sean O'Connell" To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: <20001121230045.F9650@stat.Duke.EDU> Reply-To: "Sean O'Connell" Mail-Followup-To: Sean O'Connell , stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20001121135541.A14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20001121082750.A2922@citusc17.usc.edu> <20001121114933.D27266@stat.Duke.EDU> <20001121152802.A1910@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001121152802.A1910@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 03:28:02PM -0800 X-Organization: House of Schmutzli X-Kitties: Bitty Maya CJ Keisha Jacob Hopey X-Hound: Bob X-OS-of-Choice: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David O'Brien stated: : On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 11:49:33AM -0500, Sean O'Connell wrote: : > This issue probably could stand a little more reinforcing (see below) : : I fully agree and had to spend more time figuring this out 3 weeks ago : than I should have needed to. This work almost still feels like a WIP. : : > Maybe we could add a : > : > :password_format=md5:\ : > : > to the default entry : : I had this locally and have been considering committing it. Done. : : > or create a commented out des login class like : : I added this as well. : : It will come to -stable RSN with a future MFC. : David- Cool. Thanks for pushing this through. I think it will in the long run cutdown on the surprise factor (although, I think this really falls under POLA violation for those of us in the US .. I guess this shows my bias .. and/or are trying to interoperate with other OS's). Too bad this thread didn't come up a few days ago ... S -- 1--------01---------01--------01--------01--------01--------01--------0 Sean O'Connell sean@stat.Duke.EDU To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 20:30:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-178-138.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.178.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2DA37B479; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAM4aeF00818; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:36:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011220436.eAM4aeF00818@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "O. Hartmann" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMI Enterprise 1600 RAID and FBSD 4.2-STABLE In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:18:43 +0100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:36:40 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Well, I'm so sorry asking that much, I read the manpages of mly and > amr and I got the info I wanted. Well, today I heard that the release > of the Mylex eXtreme RAID has been suspended for a while, I think until > end of December. Would you please do us all the courtesy of telling the whole story, rather than some random fragments? Mylex have a number of products in the "eXtreme RAID" family, some of which have been shipping for a year or more now. From whence did you hear this rumour, and which model(s) was it allegedly in relation to? -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 21: 3:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from racine.cybercable.fr (racine.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3BFBA37B4C5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:03:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10835305 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2000 05:03:41 -0000 Received: from s011.dhcp212-229.cybercable.fr (HELO gits.dyndns.org) ([212.198.229.11]) (envelope-sender ) by racine.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Nov 2000 05:03:41 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by gits.dyndns.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAM53d409760; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 06:03:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from clefevre@cybercable.fr) Original-Sender: Cyrille Lefevre Original-Sender: Cyrille Lefevre To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel breackage in machine/atomic.h (solution found) References: <8zqemibc.fsf@gits.dyndns.org> X-Face: V|+c;4!|B?E%BE^{E6);aI.[<97Zd*>^#%Y5Cxv;%Y[PT-LW3;A:fRrJ8+^k"e7@+30g0YD0*^^3jgyShN7o?a]C la*Zv'5NA,=963bM%J^o]C In-Reply-To: Cyrille Lefevre's message of "21 Nov 2000 13:38:54 +0100" From: Cyrille Lefevre Reply-To: Cyrille Lefevre Mail-Copies-To: never Date: 22 Nov 2000 06:03:37 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Channel Islands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Cyrille Lefevre writes: > I've found the problem. cc need -O to compile this file (well, all files :) > and my make.conf get rid of this. in fact, not really, since I use +=, but > kernel's Makefile use ?= for COPTFLAGS. maybe it should use += also ? maybe should I send a PR about that ? Cyrille. -- home: mailto:clefevre@citeweb.net work: mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre@edf.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 21:42:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n37.san.rr.com (dt051n37.san.rr.com [204.210.32.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3EA237B4CF; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:42:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from FreeBSD.org (Studded@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n37.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA57792; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:42:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <3A1B5CDD.F9C9163A@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:42:53 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.org Cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. References: <20001121135541.A14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20001121082750.A2922@citusc17.usc.edu> <20001121153249.C1910@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David O'Brien wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 08:27:50AM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > No longer correct. You don't need to futz with libraries and symlinks > > any more, > > Shouldn't we remove "NODESCRYPTLINKS" from /etc/defaults/make.conf and > anywhere else it is still used? No. It still makes a difference to crypt(). -- So what I want to know is, where does the RED brick road go? Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 21:52:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from citusc17.usc.edu (citusc17.usc.edu [128.125.38.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9B237B4CF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:52:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc17.usc.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAM5rJe14541 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:53:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:53:18 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: <20001121215318.A14339@citusc17.usc.edu> References: <20001121135541.A14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20001121082750.A2922@citusc17.usc.edu> <20001121153249.C1910@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001121153249.C1910@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 03:32:49PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 03:32:49PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 08:27:50AM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > No longer correct. You don't need to futz with libraries and symlinks > > any more, >=20 > Shouldn't we remove "NODESCRYPTLINKS" from /etc/defaults/make.conf and > anywhere else it is still used? I think so. There's no operational downside to having a library which can do DES and MD5 passwords any more, since it won't stubbornly default to DES. The original reason for the NODESCRYPTLINKS bandaid seems to be fixed, unless I'm forgetting something. Kris --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjobX04ACgkQWry0BWjoQKWrJACeIUpJPUQlkEg5U+XQP65FPV56 s9UAn3T/Mc5DqIhdyuHJ0jNnzE4zp81C =D5t6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 21:53:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833C937B4C5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:53:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29415 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:53:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eAM5rIS77523; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:53:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:53:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011220553.eAM5rIS77523@vashon.polstra.com> To: stable@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Reply-To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New US CVSup mirrors In-Reply-To: <200011210142.UAA98400@sanson.reyes.somos.net> References: <200011210142.UAA98400@sanson.reyes.somos.net> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <200011210142.UAA98400@sanson.reyes.somos.net>, Francisco Reyes wrote: > On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:27:21 -0500, Louis A. Mamakos wrote: > > >So, pick a "close" mirror (and note that in the US, 3 new ones were just > >added that are likely very underutilized) and move on to the next problem. > > That is basically ignoring the issue and sooner or later it will > come back to hunt us.. As the user base grows it will become > more and more critical to find better mechanisms to use > underutilized servers. And all of these bright ideas aren't helping a bit. Bright ideas are a dime a dozen. Even marketing people can come up with bright ideas. When somebody starts acting like an engineer, thinks through the issues all the way to the end in detail, writes down a detailed design, and builds a proof-of-concept implementation, I might take him seriously. I have explained the problems many times, and they're there in the archives for everyone to read. But no, reading them and understanding them would be too much work, wouldn't it? Much easier to just dash off an e-mail with a few unrefined and infeasible big ideas. Let somebody else do the hard part. Look, folks: all I tried to do in this thread was make you aware of some new CVSup mirrors that might make your lives easier. Use them or don't use them, as you see fit. If you like getting that "too busy" message, then by all means don't bother using the new mirrors. I won't lose any sleep over it. Reviving this same tired old discussion again and again doesn't accomplish a thing, except to make me a lot more hesitant to announce _anything_ to this list. > I tried two of the "new mirrors". One was too busy I seriously doubt that. Which one was it? What was the date and time, GMT? I bet the server logs won't support this claim. The new mirrors are hardly being used at all. I have yet to see more than 2 clients running on cvsup10 even though it has a limit of 20. > was too slow even though it is relatively close (hops wise). In > essense when new mirrors are added it is very possible that many > people may give them a try and may overwhelm them. It is also > possible that some of the previously existing sites made then be > underutilized. I have _never_ yet seen that happen. What happens is that nobody changes a thing. The new sites gradually start being utilized as _new_ users adopt them. Existing users, generally speaking, can't be bothered. Too bad for them. > I think the goal is in finding an intermediate point betwen > complexity and improvements. I still think there may be some > improvements if we had some type of serial indicator of a > mirror's last update. This just shows that you haven't bothered to read the previous discussions in the archives. There is no such thing as "the mirror's last update." How can that be, you ask? Read the archives and find out. :-) John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 22:57:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gratis.grondar.za (grouter.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8895F37B4C5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:57:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from grondar.za (grapevine.grondar.za [196.7.18.17]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAM6vOJ27790; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:57:27 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <200011220657.eAM6vOJ27790@gratis.grondar.za> To: Chris Byrnes Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: libperl errors, getting annoying. References: In-Reply-To: ; from Chris Byrnes "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:43:44 CST." Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:57:22 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > So I did cd /usr ; rm -rf obj sup src > Re-cvsup'd..figure 'hey, I'll start all over' Log the entire build after making sure you have followed all instructions in src/UPDATING. In particular, make sure you have wiped out old perl- related junk like miniperl. Put that somewhere I can fetch it - DONT MAIL IT TO ME!!! I'll take a look. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 23:15:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from iclub.nsu.ru (iclub.nsu.ru [193.124.222.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1943E37B4CF; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:15:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (fjoe@localhost) by iclub.nsu.ru (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAM7FKv70721; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:15:21 +0600 (NS) (envelope-from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:15:19 +0600 (NS) From: Max Khon To: Kris Kennaway Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. In-Reply-To: <20001121215318.A14339@citusc17.usc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, there! On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > No longer correct. You don't need to futz with libraries and symlinks > > > any more, > > > > Shouldn't we remove "NODESCRYPTLINKS" from /etc/defaults/make.conf and > > anywhere else it is still used? > > I think so. There's no operational downside to having a library which > can do DES and MD5 passwords any more, since it won't stubbornly > default to DES. The original reason for the NODESCRYPTLINKS bandaid > seems to be fixed, unless I'm forgetting something. so we will have single libcrypt and one can always rely on that fact that des_crypt is in system? /fjoe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 21 23:30:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from citusc17.usc.edu (citusc17.usc.edu [128.125.38.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD6237B4C5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:30:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc17.usc.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAM7NjJ01011; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:23:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:23:44 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Max Khon Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: <20001121232344.A983@citusc17.usc.edu> References: <20001121215318.A14339@citusc17.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 01:15:19PM +0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 01:15:19PM +0600, Max Khon wrote: > so we will have single libcrypt and one can always rely on that fact that > des_crypt is in system? No, that much still depends on whether or not you have installed the crypto sources. There has been talk of unifying them, but not yet. Kris --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjobdIAACgkQWry0BWjoQKWI9ACbBPpU0FITTJHBw5b2w967LULU To4AoJLPnCjYjjUk41itt/i6uOJYQ14s =/qWJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 0: 8:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hugo10.ka.punkt.de (unknown [194.77.232.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52DF37B4D7 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:08:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ry93@localhost) by hugo10.ka.punkt.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27008; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:08:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ry93) From: "Patrick M. Hausen" Message-Id: <200011220808.JAA27008@hugo10.ka.punkt.de> Subject: Re: Release Information In-Reply-To: <7799D023E51ED311BFB50008C75DD7B402881AB1@uschiexc05.kweb.us.kpmg.com> from "Passki, Jonathan P" at "Nov 21, 2000 04:26:17 pm" To: jpasski@kpmg.com (Passki, Jonathan P) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:08:36 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG ('freebsd-stable@freebsd.org') X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! > When does the release information on the website usually get updated > (http://www.freebsd.org/releases/index.html)? I've been slightly following > the list, but I was just looking for a summary of changes and enhancements > from 4.1.1 to 4.2. See ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.2-RELEASE/RELNOTES.TXT HTH, Patrick -- --- WEB ISS GmbH - Scheffelstr. 17a - 76135 Karlsruhe - 0721/9109-0 --- ------ Patrick M. Hausen - Technical Director - hausen@punkt.de ------- "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 0:22:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from piano.mahoroba.org (to2-093.netspace.or.jp [202.210.89.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34A837B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:22:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (IDENT:dwk41vWVjDCJ6R/Swin2E+5KgNh/E5DiaxuIPBmK6wSQc52NHejgeJI1KIKjeqrG@localhost [::1]) by piano.mahoroba.org (8.11.1/8.11.1/piano) with ESMTP id eAM8LwG59925; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:22:00 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from ume@mahoroba.org) To: rand@meridian-enviro.com Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pam_ssh problems In-Reply-To: <14874.57919.214727.731216@delta.meridian-enviro.com> References: <14874.57919.214727.731216@delta.meridian-enviro.com> X-Mailer: xcite1.20> Mew version 1.94.2 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 =?iso-2022-jp?B?KBskQjJWMWMbKEIp?= X-PGP-Public-Key: http://www.imasy.org/~ume/publickey.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 0C 53 FC 5D D0 37 91 05 D0 B3 EF 36 9B 6A BC X-URL: http://www.imasy.org/~ume/ X-OS: FreeBSD 4.2-BETA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20001122172155V.ume@mahoroba.org> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:21:55 +0900 From: Hajimu UMEMOTO X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000414(IM141) Lines: 19 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:59:43 -0600 (CST) >>>>> "Douglas K. Rand" said: rand> After a cvsup, wdm started dropping core. I've cvsup'ed a few times rand> since then also, hoping for a fix, but no luck yet. My latest cvsup rand> was yesterday. I met same problem. Following PRs solved my problem: bin/22614: pam_ssh dumps core http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=22614 bin/22670: yet another pam_ssh core dump http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=22670 -- Hajimu UMEMOTO @ Internet Mutual Aid Society Yokohama, Japan ume@mahoroba.org ume@bisd.hitachi.co.jp ume@{,jp.}FreeBSD.org http://www.imasy.org/~ume/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 1: 8:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zipcode.corp.home.net (zipcode.corp.home.net [24.0.26.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398B437B4CF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:08:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover (dialup-24-0-25-65.corp.home.net [24.0.25.65]) by zipcode.corp.home.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA04424; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:08:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Sameer R. Manek" To: "Scott dodson" , Cc: Subject: RE: Solution for distributing CVS server load? Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:08:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200011210528.AAA33444@gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Future versions of the cvsup client may want to borrow the technology that's used in multi-player games, such as quake. A central server, such as cvsup.freebsd.org, has a listener on it, that provides the cvsup client with a list of public cvsup servers. The client then performs an application level "ping", similar to the oracle tnsping, where server load is also relayed to the client. The client can then pick server based on closet server + closest available server. Unfortunately my knowledge of how cvsup works is rather limited, so I have no idea if this is feasible to implement, or where to begin, to implement this. Sameer > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Scott dodson > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 9:36 PM > To: stable@freebsd.org > Subject: Solution for distributing CVS server load? > > > CVSUP updates configuration files as well. So why not have it update a > generalized map of some sort. Then cvsup will determine based on the > hostname/traceroute from the particular host to a known server (say > www.freebsd.org) where the host lies. Then determine if it's part of > a huge ISP such as UUNET and have one server designated for a group > of large ISPs based on number of hops to a certain cvsup server. > This should hopefully scale without much attendence since it will > be unlikely that suddenly everyone on UUNet (or other large ISP) > decides to use FreeBSD. > > I'm sure I'm overlooking something major, but this sounds like a possible > solution. > > -- > scott > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 1:18:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de (ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1AB237B479; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:18:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE (ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.54]) by ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAM9KMc08315; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:20:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:20:22 +0100 (CET) From: "O. Hartmann" To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMI Enterprise 1600 RAID and FBSD 4.2-STABLE In-Reply-To: <200011220436.eAM4aeF00818@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Mike Smith wrote: Yes, of course, Mr. Smith , I'll do it. Yesterday, I wrote some emails to the German headquarter of Mylex, asking for informations for eXtreme 2000 RAID controlers. The problem I has been faced to was the fact, that Mylex' eXtreme 2000 RAID was offered and introduced since the CeBIT fair this spring, but nobody could deliver the controler. So I got this email from Mylex generaldistributor and one from another distributor for Mylex products, located near Frankfurt am Main. Both told me the same story: due to many redesigns and delivery problems of some of the used chips Mylex was not able to keep track the focused intriduction date and now I was said that the eXtreme RAID controllers are now focused for mid or end of december. Well, this is for Germany, maybe not for the U.S.! Hope this is enough to make a "whole story" :-)) Well, my thoughts are now: when the statement of "redesigns" are facts, how will FreeBSD come along with this or is there a so called unified access model? Maybe a silly question of someone who knows nothing about writing driver facilities ... but simply a thought. Hope this is of use ... Oliver :>> Well, I'm so sorry asking that much, I read the manpages of mly and :>> amr and I got the info I wanted. Well, today I heard that the release :>> of the Mylex eXtreme RAID has been suspended for a while, I think until :>> end of December. :> :>Would you please do us all the courtesy of telling the whole story, :>rather than some random fragments? :> :>Mylex have a number of products in the "eXtreme RAID" family, some of :>which have been shipping for a year or more now. From whence did you :>hear this rumour, and which model(s) was it allegedly in relation to? :> :>-- :>... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his :>rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want :>to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force :>people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] :> V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E :> :> :> - MfG O. Hartmann ------------------------------------------------------------------- ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de Klimadatenserver-Abteilung des IPA IT Netz- und Systembetreuung Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz Becherweg 21 D-55099 Mainz BRD/Germany Tel: +496131/3924662 FAX: +496131/3923532 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 1:51:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de (ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E22E37B4F9; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE (ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.54]) by ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAM9qqc08755; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:52:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:52:52 +0100 (CET) From: "O. Hartmann" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: HP SureStore DAT 40x6i/e supported by FBSD 4.2? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Sirs. We need for our server systems backup solutions and I found somnething interesting from HP, called SureStore 40x6i. It is a internal DDS-4 DAT drive with a magaizne of 6 DAT cartridges. It looks like a small juke-box to me. Can anyone tell me whether this system is supported or those auto-changing backup- boxes are generally supported? Thanks Oliver - MfG O. Hartmann ------------------------------------------------------------------- ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de Klimadatenserver-Abteilung des IPA IT Netz- und Systembetreuung Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz Becherweg 21 D-55099 Mainz BRD/Germany Tel: +496131/3924662 FAX: +496131/3923532 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 2: 1:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from citusc17.usc.edu (citusc17.usc.edu [128.125.38.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D9A37B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 02:01:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc17.usc.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAMA2lx04127; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 02:02:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 02:02:46 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Bernhard Valenti Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: <20001122020246.A4078@citusc17.usc.edu> References: <20001121085551.A3534@citusc17.usc.edu> <200011211823.SAA40356@ns.a1.org.uk> <20001122014148.A3437@cipher.home.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001122014148.A3437@cipher.home.at>; from bernhard.valenti@gmx.net on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 01:41:48AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 01:41:48AM +0100, Bernhard Valenti wrote: > kris, you mention that we dont need to bother with libraries and > symlinks anymore.. can that be translated to: "NODESCRYPTLINKS=true" > is obsolete now(its still in /etc/defaults/make.conf) ? Yes. Kris --ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjobmcYACgkQWry0BWjoQKVi/gCg+o4tl9IxFk3I2zUCxY23AZSb 4uUAnRFC4or1mR19v5H6dcGwueudtDxw =8wZc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 2: 6: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from citusc17.usc.edu (citusc17.usc.edu [128.125.38.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D645437B4CF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 02:05:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc17.usc.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAMA7Bq04212; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 02:07:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 02:07:11 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Chris Byrnes Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: <20001122020711.B4078@citusc17.usc.edu> References: <20001121082750.A2922@citusc17.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PmA2V3Z32TCmWXqI" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from chris@jeah.net on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 12:01:27PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --PmA2V3Z32TCmWXqI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 12:01:27PM -0600, Chris Byrnes wrote: > > No longer correct. You don't need to futz with libraries and symlinks > > any more, only change the value of the passwd_format login capability > > in /etc/login.conf. The default is MD5 passwords for new accounts. >=20 > Hrm -- I find it odd that half of my passwords were changed to MD5 and > half were left DES in the upgrade, then. Any reason for this? They literally could not have been changed in the upgrade - it is impossible to convert a password hash from one format to another. Perhaps the account passwords expired or something, and those accounts got new passwords. Kris --PmA2V3Z32TCmWXqI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjobms4ACgkQWry0BWjoQKVznQCcDfLU1gjmqRMVuM7SMLnEuOeX I4cAoIZISTMH7SjrX0fDULEgGSb7DBRD =EXJE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PmA2V3Z32TCmWXqI-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 2:17:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hq1.tyfon.net (hq1.tyfon.net [213.212.29.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171B937B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 02:17:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hq1.tyfon.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1AA31C7DC for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:17:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hq1.tyfon.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFADB1C7DB for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:17:04 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:17:04 +0100 (CET) From: Dan Larsson To: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: /var/log/*.offset files, what are they? Message-ID: Organization: Tyfon Svenska AB X-NCC-NIC: DL1999-RIPE X-NCC-RegID: se.tyfon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-AntiVirus: scanned for viruses by hq1.tyfon.net Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I haven't noticed them since a couple of days ago, what are they for? % ls -l /var/log/*.offset -rw------- 1 root wheel 12 Nov 15 21:56 /var/log/maillog.offset -rw------- 1 root wheel 10 Nov 15 21:56 /var/log/messages.offset -rw------- 1 root wheel 9 Nov 15 21:56 /var/log/mpd.log.offset -rw------- 1 root wheel 11 Nov 15 21:56 /var/log/sshd.log.offset % uname -sr FreeBSD 4.2-BETA % Any ideas? Regards +------ Dan Larsson | Tel: +46 8 550 120 21 Tyfon Svenska AB | Fax: +46 8 550 120 02 GPG and PGP keys | finger dl@hq1.tyfon.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 3:10:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kooga-media.com (unknown [216.122.137.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5E237B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 03:10:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from morrison.estranged.net (postfix@1Cust214.tnt2.libertyville.il.da.uu.net [63.46.212.214]) by kooga-media.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09690; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:11:13 GMT Received: by morrison.estranged.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2F5053162; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:10:03 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:10:03 -0600 From: Chris Fisher To: Dan Larsson Cc: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: Re: /var/log/*.offset files, what are they? Message-ID: <20001122051002.A19383@morrison.estranged.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from dl@tyfon.net on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 11:17:04AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wednesday, November 22, 2000, Dan Larsson wrote: > I haven't noticed them since a couple of days ago, what are they for? > > > % ls -l /var/log/*.offset > -rw------- 1 root wheel 12 Nov 15 21:56 /var/log/maillog.offset > -rw------- 1 root wheel 10 Nov 15 21:56 /var/log/messages.offset > -rw------- 1 root wheel 9 Nov 15 21:56 /var/log/mpd.log.offset > -rw------- 1 root wheel 11 Nov 15 21:56 /var/log/sshd.log.offset > % uname -sr > FreeBSD 4.2-BETA > % > > Any ideas? Probably from logcheck port (/usr/ports/security/logcheck). logcheck's INSTALL file explains what they're for. Chris Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 3:36: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nevermind.kiev.ua (unknown [212.109.53.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A4337B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 03:36:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from never@localhost) by nevermind.kiev.ua (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAMBZoV77582 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:35:50 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from never) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:35:49 +0200 From: Nevermind To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: cvsupd Message-ID: <20001122133549.D14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! I don't know if I'm posting to right maillist, but... I need to setup cvsupd that will provide full freebsd repository -- it is needed for our company. I have every-night-cvsuped cvs-all. I've already read mans but... Help me :) Thanx. -- Alexandr P. Kovalenko http://nevermind.kiev.ua/ NEVE-RIPE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 5: 0:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gate.actis.de (gate.actis.de [62.154.195.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1643537B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:00:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from isi.actis.de (root@isi.actis.de [192.54.72.178]) by gate.actis.de (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29517 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:59:50 +0100 Received: (from thk@localhost) by isi.actis.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA39509 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:59:46 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:59:46 +0100 From: Thorsten Kuehnemann To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 3.5->4.2: perl buildworld error Message-ID: <20001122135946.A88793@isi.actis.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: Atos GmbH (Berlin, Germany) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.5 X-Millennium-Info: 40 Days Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, today i try to update a system from 3.5-STABLE to 4.2-STABLE. The "make buildworld" with freshly cvsup'd sources fails while making perl: isi# uname -a FreeBSD isi.actis.de 3.5-STABLE FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE #0: Thu Sep 28 14:12:01 CEST 2000 root@isi.actis.de:/usr/src/sys/compile/ISI i386 isi# cat ~cvsup/getall.sup *default host=cvsup2.de.freebsd.org *default base=/home/1/cvsup *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4 *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress src-all ports-all tag=. doc-all tag=. isi# rm -rf /usr/obj/usr isi# rm -f /usr/bin/miniperl isi# cd /usr/src root isi:/usr/src 107# make buildworld ... building standard perl library ranlib libperl.a cd /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl && make build-tools rm -f .depend /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/GPATH /usr/obj/usr/src/ gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/GRTAGS /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/GSY MS /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/GTAGS cd /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl && make miniperl Extracting config.h (with variable substitutions) cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/../../../../contrib/perl5 -I/us r/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/ ../../../../contrib/perl5/miniperlmain.c ln -sf /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/op.c opmini. c cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/../../../../contrib/perl5 -I/us r/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl -c opmini.c cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/../../../../contrib/perl5 -I/us r/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl -L/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/m iniperl/../libperl -static -o miniperl miniperlmain.o opmini.o /usr/obj/usr/src /gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/../libperl/libperl.a -lm -lcrypt -lutil /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/../libperl/libperl.a(pp_hot.o): In fu nction `Perl_pp_aassign': pp_hot.o(.text+0x16a1): undefined reference to `setresuid' pp_hot.o(.text+0x16d4): undefined reference to `setresgid' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. root isi:/usr/src 108# exit The full script is in http://www.actis.de/~thk/buildworld.log (1MB) http://www.actis.de/~thk/buildworld.log.gz (200k) Thorsten To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 5: 9:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (mg134-015.ricochet.net [204.179.134.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F29637B4C5; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:09:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA00474; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:08:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200011221308.FAA00474@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:08:16 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: Re: The code freeze in RELENG_4 for src is now over. To: jim@lust.geekhouse.net Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, developers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20001121151604.B1037@envy.geekhouse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG With regard to the current 4.2 release I have sent a private note to Jordan expressing what I see as neccessary steps. My letter to him points out possible short falls in the procedure. If however, they are not consider shortfalls, then they might be viewed as refinements or improvements to the release procedures. The notes and questions I'm asking are of benefit to all in *BSD not just for developers who might have knowledge of current FreeBSD procedures. I extend my hand in friendship so that we might develop a better reputation for *BSD and show people the quality that is produced, which we habitually fail to enumerate. best regards, Jessem. On 21 Nov, Jim Mock wrote: > On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 at 13:39:04 -0800, opentrax@email.com wrote: >> >> >> On 20 Nov, Jordan Hubbard wrote: >> > The 4.2 RELEASE has been rolled and you may now go back to your usual >> > restrained hacking on -stable. That is all. >> > >> Jordan, >> Sorry to bother, but when will the new Release be online. >> I'm not familiar with your procedure. > > Erm, it's there, and has been since yesterday afternoon.. > > ncftp /.0/FreeBSD/releases/i386 > pwd > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/.0/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ > ncftp /.0/FreeBSD/releases/i386 > ls -la > > ... > > drwxr-xr-x 19 2035 207 1024 Nov 20 17:49 4.2-RELEASE > > The ISO is there too.. > > ncftp ...leases/i386/ISO-IMAGES > pwd > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/.0/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ > ncftp ...leases/i386/ISO-IMAGES > ls -la > > ... > > -rw-r--r-- 1 2035 207 667463680 Nov 20 21:08 4.2-install.iso > > - jim > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 5:11:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hitpro.hitachi.co.jp (hitpro.hitachi.co.jp [133.145.224.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7480837B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:11:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from bisdgw.bisd.hitachi.co.jp by hitpro.hitachi.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-hitpro) id WAA27709; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:11:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from plum.ssr.bisd.hitachi.co.jp by bisdgw.bisd.hitachi.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W-bisdgw) with ESMTP id WAA10870 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:11:25 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from ume@bisd.hitachi.co.jp) Received: from localhost (IDENT:nn80TWZIROiTzcuFisRPPWM+mQlPplsx+FvFH6+LEU9GoR2VCRkMFZ1QpdBUIBqx@localhost [::1]) by plum.ssr.bisd.hitachi.co.jp (8.11.0/8.11.0/plum) with ESMTP/inet6 id eAMDBOe12936 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:11:25 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from ume@bisd.hitachi.co.jp) Message-Id: <200011221311.eAMDBOe12936@plum.ssr.bisd.hitachi.co.jp> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3.5->4.2: perl buildworld error From: Hajimu UMEMOTO In-Reply-To: <20001122135946.A88793@isi.actis.de> References: <20001122135946.A88793@isi.actis.de> X-Mailer: xcite1.20> Mew version 1.94.2 on Emacs 20.6 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) X-PGP-Fingerprint: D3 3D D3 54 88 13 DE 22 3F 31 C4 4D A1 08 84 7B X-PGP-Public-Key: http://www.imasy.org/~ume/ume@bisd.hitachi.co.jp.asc X-URL: http://www.imasy.org/~ume/ X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:11:24 +0900 X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000414(IM141) Lines: 25 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:59:46 +0100 >>>>> thk@actis.de (Thorsten Kuehnemann) said: thk> /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/../libperl/libperl.a(pp_hot.o): In fu thk> nction `Perl_pp_aassign': thk> pp_hot.o(.text+0x16a1): undefined reference to `setresuid' thk> pp_hot.o(.text+0x16d4): undefined reference to `setresgid' thk> *** Error code 1 I'm now trying to upgrade from 3.5-RELEASE to 4.2-RELASE, and I met it, too. I changed following definitions in gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl/config.SH-elf.i386: d_setresgid='define' -> 'undef' d_setresuid='define' -> 'undef' I could avoid this problem. But, then, I met `Bad system call' during building Perl. So, I'm now trying to build kernel 1st. -- Hajimu UMEMOTO @ Business Solution System Development Div., Hitachi Ltd. E-Mail: ume@bisd.hitachi.co.jp ume@mahoroba.org ume@FreeBSD.org URL: http://www.imasy.org/~ume/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 5:20:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (mg134-015.ricochet.net [204.179.134.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975AC37B4D7 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:20:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA00488; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:19:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200011221319.FAA00488@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:19:15 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: Re: two identical PC cards To: larse@ISI.EDU Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3A1B2633.B290BF6A@isi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 21 Nov, Lars Eggert wrote: > I'm trying to get FreeBSD to recognize two identical PC cards (3Com > EtherLink III 3C589D) under -STABLE. The fist card attaches correctly, for > the second card I see "No free configuration for Card 3Com Corporation" > messages from pccardd. > > At first I thought I was out of IRQs, but modems and other (non-3C589D) > cards attach as second cards. > > Envirnment: > -STABLE from today. > Kernel config has the line "options ep" in it. > I'm using IRQs 3 and 4, all serial ports disabled in the BIOS, PnP turned > off. > The PC card bus uses IRQ 7 as management IRQ (all parallel ports disabled > in the BIOS). > > Any ideas? > It looks like flakey hardware. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 5:34:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from eos.ocn.ne.jp (eos.ocn.ne.jp [210.190.142.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA2637B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:34:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.hrslab.yi.org (p0189-ip01funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp [211.123.225.189]) by eos.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id WAA22593; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:34:15 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200011221334.WAA22593@eos.ocn.ne.jp> Received: from localhost (alph.hrslab.yi.org [192.168.0.10]) by mail.hrslab.yi.org (8.9.3/3.7W/DomainMaster) with ESMTP id WAA59823; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:33:11 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) To: thk@actis.de, ume@bisd.hitachi.co.jp Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3.5->4.2: perl buildworld error In-Reply-To: <200011221311.eAMDBOe12936@plum.ssr.bisd.hitachi.co.jp> References: <20001122135946.A88793@isi.actis.de> <200011221311.eAMDBOe12936@plum.ssr.bisd.hitachi.co.jp> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:33:10 +0900 From: Hiroki Sato X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 18 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thorsten Kuehnemann wrote in <20001122135946.A88793@isi.actis.de>: > pp_hot.o(.text+0x16a1): undefined reference to `setresuid' > pp_hot.o(.text+0x16d4): undefined reference to `setresgid' I think this is FAQ, see: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?db=mid&id=20000803152232.A74889@engelschall.com # Also, it has been reported in Japanese # at http://home.jp.FreeBSD.org/cgi-bin/showmail/FreeBSD-users-jp/56361 -- | Hiroki Sato | | sato@sekine00.ee.noda.sut.ac.jp (UNIV) | hrs@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD Project) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 6:31:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cielo.eece.unm.edu (cielo.eece.unm.edu [129.24.24.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 358E037B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 06:31:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from jalapeno.eece.unm.edu ([129.24.24.88] helo=eece.unm.edu) by cielo.eece.unm.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #4) id 13yavM-0002TG-00; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:31:00 -0700 Received: (from dbader@localhost) by eece.unm.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id HAA02406; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:30:57 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:30:57 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011221430.HAA02406@eece.unm.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: jalapeno.eece.unm.edu: dbader set sender to dbader@eece.unm.edu using -f From: "David A. Bader" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: pahowes@fair-ware.com, Chuck Robey , Aron Warren Subject: make world on 4.2-R breaking Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm trying to build 4.2-RELEASE (from cvsup), and am getting an error from "make world" identical to the one below. I found a few other pieces of email to FreeBSD lists that mention this exact problem, but any reply brushes it off as bad memory. In this email below, I realize that we both are using Cyrix-166+ processors. Has anyone found a solution for this? All of my previous updates on this box (FreeBSD 1 up to 4.1-R :-) have worked perfectly. The error is repeatable (100% of the time). Thanks, -david ------------------------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 18:24:03 -0400 >From: "Paul A. Howes" To: Subject: Makeworld is dying... Message-ID: All- When I attempt a buildworld on a brand new FreeBSD system (IBM/Cyrix-166+, 64MB memory, 20GB Maxtor drive), it dies while building the ncurses library. This happen whether it's the version of the source code on the 4.1 CD-Rom disc, or the latest and greatest 4-STABLE code from a cvsup. Any help would be appreciated. The tail of the trace log is included below. Thanks! -- Paul A. Howes pahowes@fair-ware.com cc -fpic -DPIC -O -pipe -I. -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses -I/usr/src/lib/libncur ses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/nc urses/include -Wall -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DNDEBUG -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DTERMIOS -I/u sr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses/tinfo/access.c -o access.So cc -fpic -DPIC -O -pipe -I. -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses -I/usr/src/lib/libncur ses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/nc urses/include -Wall -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DNDEBUG -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DTERMIOS -I/u sr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses/tinfo/add_tries.c -o add_tries.So cc -fpic -DPIC -O -pipe -I. -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses - /usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses -I/usr/src/lib/libncur ses/../../contrib/ncurses/include -Wall -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DNDEBUG -DHAVE_CON FIG_H -DTERMIOS -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses/tinfo/alloc_entry.c -o alloc_entry.So cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/lib/libncurses. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- David A. Bader, Ph.D. Office: 505-277-6724 Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering FAX: 505-277-1439 EECE Building University of New Mexico dbader@eece.unm.edu Albuquerque, NM 87131 http://www.eece.unm.edu/~dbader To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 6:46: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www3.infolink.com.br (www3.infolink.com.br [200.255.108.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D6537B4D7 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 06:46:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from diala11 (unverified [200.255.108.11]) by www3.infolink.com.br (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.181) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:45:57 -0300 Message-ID: <00e001c05492$eca35760$0b6cffc8@infolink.com.br> From: "Antonio Carlos Pina" To: Subject: Anyone tried fresh 4.2-RELEASE buildworld ? Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:45:57 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I'm stuck in a compiler error (signal 4) while trying "make buildworld" in a fresh 4.2-RELEASE installation. I sent a PR already, but I would like to know if anyone here has gotten 4.2-RELEASE fresh installed (I mean, not cvsup'd) and build world'd. I installed this copy via Internet (FTP). Do you think I should download the ISO and try it again (perhaps sources have been changed during my install (?!)) ? The problem is I still don't know if it is MY problem ONLY, or somebody else is suffering the same. Any suggestions ? Thanks, Antonio Carlos Pina apina@infolink.com.br To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 7: 1:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www.mmlab.cse.yzu.edu.tw (www.mmlab.cse.yzu.edu.tw [140.138.145.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B87FA37B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:01:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 34986 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2000 15:01:20 -0000 Received: from d306-5b.gdorm.yzu.edu.tw (@140.138.34.86) by www.mmlab.cse.yzu.edu.tw with SMTP; 22 Nov 2000 15:01:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:01:39 +0800 (CST) From: Tai-hwa Liang To: Subject: 4.2-RELEASE ata0-master probe failed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've tried to upgrade my laptop to 4.2-RELEASE from installation floppies this morning. It seemed that the kernel was failed to probe my hard disk on ata0-master. From my observation, the same error(ata0-master: ata_comand: timeout waiting for intr) occurred since ata-all.c, 1.50.2.7. Any solution? verbose booting message from 4.2-RELEASE: atapci0: port 0xfcd0-0xfcdf at device 3.1 on pci0 ata0: iobase=0x01f0 altiobase=0x03f6 bmaddr=0xfcd0 ata0: mask=03 status0=50 status1=50 ata0: mask=03 ostat0=50 ostat2=50 ata0-master: ATAPI probe a=00 b=00 ata0-slave: ATAPI probe a=14 b=eb ata0: mask=03 status0=50 status1=00 ata0-master: ATAPI probe a=01 b=a5 ata0: devices=09 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata0: iobase=0x0170 altiobase=0x0376 bmaddr=0xfcd8 ata0: mask=00 status0=ff status1=ff ata1: probe allocation failed . . . ata0-master: ata_comand: timeout waiting for intr ata0-master: identify failed ata0-slave: piomode=4 dmamode=2 udmamode=-1 dmaflag=1 ata0-slave: success setting WDMA2 on PIIX4 chip acd0: CDROM drive at ata0 as slave acd0: read 4134KB/s (4134KB/s), 128KB buffer, WDMA2 acd0: Reads: CD-R, CD-RW, CD-DA acd0: Audio: play, 256 volume levels acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray acd0: Medium: CD-ROM 120mm photo disc loaded, unlocked no devsw (majdev=30 bootdev=0xa0300001e) Mount root from ufs:ad0s2a no such device 'ad' setrootbyname failed ffs_mountroot: can't find rootvp Root mount failed: 6 . . . verbose booting message from 4.1.1-RELEASE(all disk probed successfully): Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE #0 Calibrating clock(s) ... TSC clock: 265248333 Hz, i8254 clock: 1193116 Hz Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193116 Hz CPU: Pentium II/Pentium II Xeon/Celeron (265.25-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x652 Stepping = 2 Features=0x183f9ff real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) Physical memory chunk(s): 0x00001000 - 0x0009efff, 647168 bytes (158 pages) 0x002e3000 - 0x03ff5fff, 64040960 bytes (15635 pages) avail memory = 62603264 (61136K bytes) bios32: Found BIOS32 Service Directory header at 0xc00f6460 bios32: Entry = 0xfd7e0 (c00fd7e0) Rev = 0 Len = 1 pcibios: PCI BIOS entry at 0x203 pnpbios: Found PnP BIOS data at 0xc00f6490 pnpbios: Entry = f0000:ac98 Rev = 1.0 Other BIOS signatures found: ACPI: 000f6440 VESA: information block 56 45 53 41 00 02 6b 00 00 c0 00 00 00 00 42 87 00 c0 20 00 00 00 12 29 00 c0 13 29 00 c0 14 29 00 c0 15 29 00 c0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 VESA: 15 mode(s) found VESA: v2.0, 2048k memory, flags:0x0, mode table:0xc00c8742 (c0008742) VESA: Copyright 1994 TRIDENT MICROSYSTEMS INC. VESA: Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled pci_open(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x80001010 pci_open(1a): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000) pci_cfgcheck: device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=00] is there (id=71928086) apm0: on motherboard apm: found APM BIOS v1.2, connected at v1.2 npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pci_open(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x00000000 pci_open(1a): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000) pci_cfgcheck: device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=00] is there (id=71928086) pcib0: on motherboard found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7192, revid=0x02 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 map[10]: type 1, range 32, base 00000000, size 26 found-> vendor=0x1023, dev=0x9388, revid=0xd3 class=03-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=9 map[10]: type 1, range 32, base fe400000, size 22 map[14]: type 1, range 32, base fede0000, size 17 map[18]: type 1, range 32, base fe800000, size 22 found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7110, revid=0x02 class=06-01-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7111, revid=0x01 class=01-01-80, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 map[20]: type 1, range 32, base 0000fcd0, size 4 found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7112, revid=0x01 class=0c-03-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=d, irq=9 map[20]: type 1, range 32, base 0000fce0, size 5 found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7113, revid=0x02 class=06-80-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 map[90]: type 1, range 32, base 0000ff80, size 4 found-> vendor=0x104c, dev=0xac19, revid=0x00 class=06-07-00, hdrtype=0x02, mfdev=1 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=255 found-> vendor=0x104c, dev=0xac19, revid=0x00 class=06-07-00, hdrtype=0x02, mfdev=1 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=b, irq=255 pci0: on pcib0 pci0: (vendor=0x1023, dev=0x9388) at 2.0 irq 9 isab0: at device 3.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xfcd0-0xfcdf at device 3.1 on pci0 ata0: iobase=0x01f0 altiobase=0x03f6 bmaddr=0xfcd0 ata0: mask=03 status0=50 status1=50 ata0: mask=03 status0=50 status1=00 ata0: devices = 0x9 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: iobase=0x0170 altiobase=0x0376 bmaddr=0xfcd8 ata1: mask=00 status0=ff status1=ff ata1: probe allocation failed pci0: (vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7112) at 3.2 irq 9 chip1: port 0xff80-0xff8f at device 3.3 on pci0 pcic-pci0: at device 10.0 on pci0 pcic-pci0: TI12XX PCI Config Reg: [speaker enable][FUNC pci int + CSC serial isa irq] pcic-pci0: Legacy address set to 0x3e0 PCI Config space: 00: ac19104c 02100047 06070000 00820000 10: 00000000 020000a0 00000000 00000000 20: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 30: 00000000 00000000 00000000 03c401ff 40: 77887878 000003e1 00000000 00000000 50: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 60: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 70: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 80: 00449020 00000000 00000000 010c1000 90: 616602c0 00000000 00000000 00000000 Cardbus Socket registers: 00: f000ff53: f000ff53: f000e2c3: f000ff53: 10: f000ff53: f000ff54: f0009c9f: f000ff53: ExCa registers: 00: eb 88 d5 43 30 d2 66 f7 f3 88 d7 5a 66 3d ff 03 10: 00 00 fb 77 44 86 c4 c0 c8 02 08 e8 40 91 88 fe 20: 28 e0 8a 66 02 38 e0 72 02 88 e0 bf 05 00 c4 5e 30: 04 50 b4 02 cd 13 5b 73 0a 4f 74 1c 30 e4 cd 13 pcic-pci1: at device 10.1 on pci0 pcic-pci1: TI12XX PCI Config Reg: [speaker enable][FUNC pci int + CSC serial isa irq] PCI Config space: 00: ac19104c 02100047 06070000 00820000 10: 00000000 020000a0 00000000 00000000 20: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 30: 00000000 00000000 00000000 03c402ff 40: 77887878 000003e1 00000000 00000000 50: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 60: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 70: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 80: 00449020 00000000 00000000 010c1000 90: 616602c0 00000000 00000000 00000000 Cardbus Socket registers: 00: f000ff53: f000ff53: f000e2c3: f000ff53: 10: f000ff53: f000ff54: f0009c9f: f000ff53: ExCa registers: 00: eb 88 d5 43 30 d2 66 f7 f3 88 d7 5a 66 3d ff 03 10: 00 00 fb 77 44 86 c4 c0 c8 02 08 e8 40 91 88 fe 20: 28 e0 8a 66 02 38 e0 72 02 88 e0 bf 05 00 c4 5e 30: 04 50 b4 02 cd 13 5b 73 0a 4f 74 1c 30 e4 cd 13 Trying Read_Port at 203 Trying Read_Port at 243 Trying Read_Port at 283 Trying Read_Port at 2c3 Trying Read_Port at 303 Trying Read_Port at 343 Trying Read_Port at 383 Trying Read_Port at 3c3 isa_probe_children: disabling PnP devices isa_probe_children: probing non-PnP devices atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 atkbd: the current kbd controller command byte 0047 atkbd: keyboard ID 0x41ab (2) kbdc: RESET_KBD return code:00fa kbdc: RESET_KBD status:00aa kbd0: atkbd0, AT 101/102 (2), config:0x0, flags:0x3d0000 psm0: current command byte:0047 kbdc: TEST_AUX_PORT status:0000 kbdc: RESET_AUX return code:00fa kbdc: RESET_AUX status:00aa kbdc: RESET_AUX ID:0000 psm: status 00 02 64 psm: status 00 00 64 psm: status 00 03 64 psm: status 00 03 64 psm: data 08 00 00 psm: status 10 00 64 psm: status 00 02 64 psm: data 08 00 00 psm: status 00 02 64 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0-00, 2 buttons psm0: config:00006000, flags:00000000, packet size:3 psm0: syncmask:c0, syncbits:00 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 fb0: vga0, vga, type:VGA (5), flags:0x700ff fb0: port:0x3c0-0x3df, crtc:0x3d4, mem:0xa0000 0x20000 fb0: init mode:24, bios mode:3, current mode:24 fb0: window:0xc00b8000 size:32k gran:32k, buf:0 size:32k VGA parameters upon power-up 50 18 10 00 00 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 03 c0 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff VGA parameters in BIOS for mode 24 50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 00 00 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff EGA/VGA parameters to be used for mode 24 50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 00 00 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> sc0: fb0, kbd0, terminal emulator: sc (syscons terminal) fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 sio0: irq maps: 0x41 0x51 0x41 0x41 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1: irq maps: 0x41 0x49 0x41 0x41 sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio1: type 16550A sbc0: at port 0x220-0x22f irq 5 drq 3 flags 0x15 on isa0 pcm0: on sbc0 pcm0: ESS1869 detected, newspeed pcm: setmap 4000, 1000; 0xc5488000 -> 4000 pcm: setmap 5000, 1000; 0xc5489000 -> 5000 pcic0: at port 0x3e0-0x3e1 irq 10 on isa0 pcic0: management irq 10 pccard0: on pcic0 pccard1: on pcic0 ppc0: parallel port found at 0x378 ppc0: using extended I/O port range ppc0: SPP ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode ppi0: on ppbus0 lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port plip0: on ppbus0 bpf: lp0 attached isa_probe_children: probing PnP devices BIOS Geometries: 0:03127f3f 0..786=787 cylinders, 0..127=128 heads, 1..63=63 sectors 0 accounted for Device configuration finished. bpf: lo0 attached ata0-master: success setting UDMA2 on PIIX4 chip ad0: ATA-3 disk at ata0 as master ad0: 3102MB (6354432 sectors), 6304 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ad0: 16 secs/int, 1 depth queue, UDMA33 ad0: piomode=4 dmamode=2 udmamode=2 cblid=0 Creating DISK ad0 Creating DISK wd0 ata0-slave: piomode=4 dmamode=2 udmamode=-1 dmaflag=1 ata0-slave: success setting WDMA2 on PIIX4 chip acd0: CDROM drive at ata0 as slave acd0: read 4134KB/s (4134KB/s), 128KB buffer, WDMA2 acd0: Reads: CD-R, CD-RW, CD-DA acd0: Audio: play, 256 volume levels acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray acd0: Medium: CD-ROM 120mm photo disc loaded, unlocked Mounting root from ufs:ad0s2a ad0s1: type 0x83, start 63, end = 2096639, size 2096577 : OK ad0s2: type 0xa5, start 2096640, end = 4193279, size 2096640 : OK ad0s3: type 0x6, start 4193280, end = 6072191, size 1878912 : OK ad0s4: type 0xa0, start 6072192, end = 6346367, size 274176 : OK pccard: card inserted, slot 1 start_init: trying /sbin/init splash: image decoder found: blank_saver Linux-ELF exec handler installed pcic: I/O win 0 flags 15 240-25f pcic: I/O win 0 flags 5 240-25f ed0 at port 0x240-0x25f irq 11 slot 1 on pccard1 pcic: I/O win 0 flags 15 240-25f bpf: ed0 attached Kernel configuration: machine i386 ident brahms maxusers 10 makeoptions CONF_CFLAGS=-fno-builtin #Don't allow use of memcmp, etc. options BLKDEV_IOSIZE=8192 options PQ_CACHESIZE=512 # color for 512k/16k cache options ROOTDEVNAME=\"ufs:ad0s2a\" cpu I686_CPU # aka Pentium Pro(tm) options NO_F00F_HACK options COMPAT_43 options SYSVSHM # include support for shared memory options SYSVSEM # include support for semaphores options SYSVMSG # include support for message queues options KTRACE #kernel tracing options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor options INET #Internet communications protocols pseudo-device ether #Generic Ethernet pseudo-device loop #Network loopback device pseudo-device bpf #Berkeley packet filter options TCP_DROP_SYNFIN #drop TCP packets with SYN+FIN options TCP_RESTRICT_RST #restrict emission of TCP RST options ICMP_BANDLIM options FFS #Fast filesystem options MFS #Memory File System options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device options SOFTUPDATES options EXT2FS options VFS_AIO options P1003_1B options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING options _KPOSIX_VERSION=199309L pseudo-device pty #Pseudo ttys pseudo-device gzip #Exec gzipped a.out's pseudo-device vn #Vnode driver (turns a file into a device) options MSGBUF_SIZE=40960 device isa options AUTO_EOI_1 options MAXMEM="(64*1024)" device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 options PSM_HOOKRESUME options PSM_RESETAFTERSUSPEND device vga0 at isa? options VESA pseudo-device splash device sc0 at isa? options MAXCONS=16 # number of virtual consoles options SC_HISTORY_SIZE=2000 # number of history buffer lines device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX flags 0x0 irq 13 device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives options ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA options IDE_DELAY=8000 # Be optimistic about Joe IDE device device fdc0 at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2 device fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 device sio0 at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4 device sio1 at isa? port IO_COM2 flags 0x10 irq 3 device pcm device sbc0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 3 flags 0x15 device apm0 device pci device pcic0 at isa? irq 10 device card device ed options PCIC_RESUME_RESET # reset after resume options PPC_PROBE_CHIPSET device ppc0 at isa? irq 7 device ppbus device lpt device plip device ppi options NSFBUFS=1024 options INIT_PATH="/sbin/init:/stand/sysinstall" options CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION options CLK_USE_TSC_CALIBRATION options SHOW_BUSYBUFS # List buffers that prevent root unmount To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 7:19:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nevermind.kiev.ua (unknown [212.109.53.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0BF37B4D7 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:19:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from never@localhost) by nevermind.kiev.ua (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAMFJWL38908 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:19:32 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from never) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:19:26 +0200 From: Nevermind To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvsupd Message-ID: <20001122171926.F14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> References: <20001122133549.D14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001122133549.D14220@nevermind.kiev.ua>; from never@nevermind.kiev.ua on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 01:35:49PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Nevermind! On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 01:35:49PM +0200, you wrote: > Hello! > > I don't know if I'm posting to right maillist, but... > > I need to setup cvsupd that will provide full freebsd repository -- it is > needed for our company. > I have every-night-cvsuped cvs-all. > I've already read mans but... > Help me :) > Thanx. Fixed. hint: use ports/net/cvsup-mirror :) -- Alexandr P. Kovalenko http://nevermind.kiev.ua/ NEVE-RIPE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 7:20:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www3.infolink.com.br (www3.infolink.com.br [200.255.108.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA7D37B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:20:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from infolink.com.br (unverified [200.255.108.32]) by www3.infolink.com.br (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.181) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:20:08 -0300 From: "Antonio Carlos Pina" Reply-To: apina@infolink.com.br To: "David A. Bader" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:20:08 est Subject: Re: make world on 4.2-R breaking Message-id: <3a1bf238.253.0@infolink.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David, I have a little program (I don't recall who wrote it, sorry) that tests memory, stressing it. I can tell that it hangs a bad machine (cpu or bus or memory) in 2 or 3 minutes. It fits in a floppy and it is a DOS program. If you want a copy, I can send it to you. > >I'm trying to build 4.2-RELEASE (from cvsup), and am getting an error >from "make world" identical to the one below. I found a few other >pieces of email to FreeBSD lists that mention this exact problem, but >any reply brushes it off as bad memory. In this email below, I realize >that we both are using Cyrix-166+ processors. Has anyone found a >solution for this? All of my previous updates on this box (FreeBSD 1 >up to 4.1-R :-) have worked perfectly. The error is repeatable (100% >of the time). > >Thanks, > -david > >------------------------------------------------ >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 18:24:03 -0400 >>From: "Paul A. Howes" >To: >Subject: Makeworld is dying... >Message-ID: > > >All- > >When I attempt a buildworld on a brand new FreeBSD system (IBM/Cyrix- 166+, >64MB memory, 20GB Maxtor drive), it dies while building the ncurses library. >This happen whether it's the version of the source code on the 4.1 CD-Rom >disc, or the latest and greatest 4-STABLE code from a cvsup. Any help would >be appreciated. The tail of the trace log is included below. > >Thanks! > >-- >Paul A. Howes >pahowes@fair-ware.com > > >cc -fpic -DPIC -O -pipe -I. -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses - I/usr/src/lib/libncur >ses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses - I/usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/nc >urses/include -Wall -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DNDEBUG -DHAVE_CONFIG_H - DTERMIOS -I/u >sr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c >/usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses/tinfo/access.c -o >access.So > >cc -fpic -DPIC -O -pipe -I. -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses - I/usr/src/lib/libncur >ses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses - I/usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/nc >urses/include -Wall -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DNDEBUG -DHAVE_CONFIG_H - DTERMIOS -I/u >sr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c >/usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses/tinfo/add_tries .c -o >add_tries.So > >cc -fpic -DPIC -O -pipe -I. -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses - >/usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses - I/usr/src/lib/libncur >ses/../../contrib/ncurses/include -Wall -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DNDEBUG - DHAVE_CON >FIG_H -DTERMIOS -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c >/usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses/tinfo/alloc_ent ry.c -o >alloc_entry.So > >cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 >*** Error code 1 > >Stop in /usr/src/lib/libncurses. >*** Error code 1 > >Stop in /usr/src. >*** Error code 1 > >Stop in /usr/src. >*** Error code 1 > >Stop in /usr/src. > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > >-- >David A. Bader, Ph.D. Office: 505-277-6724 >Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering FAX: 505-277-1439 >EECE Building >University of New Mexico dbader@eece.unm.edu >Albuquerque, NM 87131 http://www.eece.unm.edu/~dbader > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > Cordialmente, Antonio Carlos Pina apina@infolink.com.br Diretor de Tecnologia Infolink Internet http://www.infolink.com.br To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 7:31:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cielo.eece.unm.edu (cielo.eece.unm.edu [129.24.24.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9BF937B4D7 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:31:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from jalapeno.eece.unm.edu ([129.24.24.88] helo=eece.unm.edu) by cielo.eece.unm.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #4) id 13ybrk-0003Ij-00; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:31:20 -0700 Received: (from dbader@localhost) by eece.unm.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id IAA02767; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:31:20 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:31:20 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011221531.IAA02767@eece.unm.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: jalapeno.eece.unm.edu: dbader set sender to dbader@eece.unm.edu using -f From: "David A. Bader" To: apina@infolink.com.br Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <3a1bf238.253.0@infolink.com.br> (apina@infolink.com.br) Subject: Re: make world on 4.2-R breaking References: <3a1bf238.253.0@infolink.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm convinced that it is NOT a memory or CPU problem, because A) the problem is 100% repeatable B) my machine has NO prior history of any problems (never had an application or OS failure before) C) Several other messages to FreeBSD lists have "make world" breaking at this exact same spot with this exact same error. D) When I watch "top" at the same time as this particular compile, it is clear that the memory and CPU are not stressed. While it's nice and easy to blame the CPU and Memory, if I had to bet a dollar... However, if you want me to rule out a memory problem, sure, send me the DOS program, although my system is a Microsoft-virgin. Thanks, -david > From: "Antonio Carlos Pina" > Sender: apina@infolink.com.br > Reply-to: apina@infolink.com.br > Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:20:08 est > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > X-SpamBouncer: 1.2 beta (5/15/00) > X-SBPass: No Freemail Filtering > X-SBClass: OK > X-Sorted: Default > > David, I have a little program (I don't recall who wrote it, sorry) > that tests memory, stressing it. I can tell that it hangs a bad > machine (cpu or bus or memory) in 2 or 3 minutes. It fits in a floppy > and it is a DOS program. If you want a copy, I can send it to you. > > > > >I'm trying to build 4.2-RELEASE (from cvsup), and am getting an error > >from "make world" identical to the one below. I found a few other > >pieces of email to FreeBSD lists that mention this exact problem, but > >any reply brushes it off as bad memory. In this email below, I > realize > >that we both are using Cyrix-166+ processors. Has anyone found a > >solution for this? All of my previous updates on this box (FreeBSD 1 > >up to 4.1-R :-) have worked perfectly. The error is repeatable (100% > >of the time). > > > >Thanks, > > -david > > > >------------------------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 18:24:03 -0400 > >>From: "Paul A. Howes" > >To: > >Subject: Makeworld is dying... > >Message-ID: > > > > > >All- > > > >When I attempt a buildworld on a brand new FreeBSD system (IBM/Cyrix- > 166+, > >64MB memory, 20GB Maxtor drive), it dies while building the ncurses > library. > >This happen whether it's the version of the source code on the 4.1 > CD-Rom > >disc, or the latest and greatest 4-STABLE code from a cvsup. Any > help would > >be appreciated. The tail of the trace log is included below. > > > >Thanks! > > > >-- > >Paul A. Howes > >pahowes@fair-ware.com > > > > > >cc -fpic -DPIC -O -pipe -I. -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses - > I/usr/src/lib/libncur > >ses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses - > I/usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/nc > >urses/include -Wall -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DNDEBUG -DHAVE_CONFIG_H - > DTERMIOS -I/u > >sr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c > >/usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses/tinfo/access.c > -o > >access.So > > > >cc -fpic -DPIC -O -pipe -I. -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses - > I/usr/src/lib/libncur > >ses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses - > I/usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/nc > >urses/include -Wall -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DNDEBUG -DHAVE_CONFIG_H - > DTERMIOS -I/u > >sr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c > >/usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses/tinfo/add_tries > .c -o > >add_tries.So > > > >cc -fpic -DPIC -O -pipe -I. -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses - > >/usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses - > I/usr/src/lib/libncur > >ses/../../contrib/ncurses/include -Wall -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DNDEBUG - > DHAVE_CON > >FIG_H -DTERMIOS -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c > >/usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses/tinfo/alloc_ent > ry.c -o > >alloc_entry.So > > > >cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 > >*** Error code 1 > > > >Stop in /usr/src/lib/libncurses. > >*** Error code 1 > > > >Stop in /usr/src. > >*** Error code 1 > > > >Stop in /usr/src. > >*** Error code 1 > > > >Stop in /usr/src. > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > >-- > >David A. Bader, Ph.D. Office: 505-277-6724 > >Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering FAX: 505-277-1439 > >EECE Building > >University of New Mexico dbader@eece.unm.edu > >Albuquerque, NM 87131 http://www.eece.unm.edu/~dbader > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > Cordialmente, > Antonio Carlos Pina > apina@infolink.com.br > Diretor de Tecnologia > Infolink Internet > http://www.infolink.com.br > > -- David A. Bader, Ph.D. Office: 505-277-6724 Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering FAX: 505-277-1439 EECE Building University of New Mexico dbader@eece.unm.edu Albuquerque, NM 87131 http://www.eece.unm.edu/~dbader To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 7:41:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from itesec.hsc.fr (itesec.hsc.fr [192.70.106.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE03B37B4E5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:41:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from avalon.hsc.fr (avalon.hsc.fr [192.70.106.84]) by itesec.hsc.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7ACD10E05 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:41:26 +0100 (CET) Received: by avalon.hsc.fr (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ACB8438CDB; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:28:31 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:28:31 +0100 From: Frederic Lavecot To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscription Message-ID: <20001122162831.D461@hsc.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Organization: Herve Schauer Consultants X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.2-BETA Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG auth 9d521449 subscribe freebsd-stable Frederic.Lavecot@hsc.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 8:32:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4371037B4D7; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:32:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eAMGWGW15065; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:32:16 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:32:16 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: "O. Hartmann" Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HP SureStore DAT 40x6i/e supported by FBSD 4.2? Message-ID: <20001122083216.B9088@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 10:52:52AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Trimming -stable from future replies since this is a question for -hardware.] On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 10:52:52AM +0100, O. Hartmann wrote: > We need for our server systems backup solutions and I found > somnething interesting from HP, called SureStore 40x6i. It > is a internal DDS-4 DAT drive with a magaizne of 6 DAT cartridges. > It looks like a small juke-box to me. > > Can anyone tell me whether this system is supported or those > auto-changing backup- boxes are generally supported? SCSI changers are generally supported. I don't know if they mechanism supports the standard, but I've used these on systems without changer support. You can do this by putting it in a mode where it goes to the next tape on offline. I believe amanda can use them this way in gravity changer mode. On solaris there's a -o option to ufsdump which will cause the tape to advance after the dump by sending an offline. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 9:17:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hk.sina.com.hk (unknown [202.85.139.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DB11737B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:17:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8068 invoked by uid 99); 22 Nov 2000 17:21:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20001122172103.8067.qmail@hk.sina.com.hk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_----------=_97491366380240" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: shizuka00 Date: Thu Nov 23 01:21:03 HKT 2000 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Subject: WaveLAN PCI problem Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_97491366380240 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 783 Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Type: text/plain Dear all, I have a Lucent WaveLAN wireless lan card that come with a PCI PCMCIA adapter and it works fine on W98SE and RH 7.0. 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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:23:01 +0100 (CET) From: Blaz Zupan X-Sender: blaz@titanic.medinet.si To: shizuka00 Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WaveLAN PCI problem In-Reply-To: <20001122172103.8067.qmail@hk.sina.com.hk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I have a Lucent WaveLAN wireless lan card that come with a PCI PCMCIA > adapter and it works fine on W98SE and RH 7.0. However, today when I tried > it on FBSD 4.2-stable, it hang when probing pnp device. I also tried to > change BIOS setting as PnP OS = yes, then it worked fine until pccardd > recognized the card and loaded the driver. The system then hang and > Ctrl-Alt-Del didn't work unless I pressed the reset button. Please refer > to the enclosed message file when I booted with "boot -v" option. You are currently out of luck. The problem is in the pccard code, which only supports the cardbus bridge in pccard emulation mode. This works on laptops because the laptop BIOS initializes some neccesary things to make it work, but it fails on desktop machines. Your only solution right now is to use a ISA PCMCIA adapter instead of the PCI one. That works just fine (I have nearly 100 installations like that). Blaz Zupan, Medinet d.o.o, Linhartova 21, 2000 Maribor, Slovenia E-mail: blaz@amis.net, Tel: +386-2-320-6320, Fax: +386-2-320-6325 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 9:48:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from krycek.zoominternet.net (krycek.zoominternet.net [63.67.120.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E88A37B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:48:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4020 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2000 17:46:13 -0000 Received: from lcl12.cvzoom.net (HELO cvzoom.net) (208.226.155.12) by krycek.zoominternet.net with SMTP; 22 Nov 2000 17:46:13 -0000 Message-ID: <3A1C0706.23024FAF@cvzoom.net> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:48:55 -0500 From: Donn Miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Sameer R. Manek" Cc: Scott dodson , stable@freebsd.org, jdp@polstra.com Subject: Re: Solution for distributing CVS server load? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Sameer R. Manek" wrote: > The client > then performs an application level "ping", similar to the oracle tnsping, > where server load is also relayed to the client. Is there any way to determine the load average on a remote server? I'm guessing it's application dependent. > Unfortunately my knowledge of how cvsup works is rather limited, so I have > no idea if this is feasible to implement, or where to begin, to implement > this. The source for cvsup is available. It's written in Modula 3, but there's quite a few Modula 3 tutorials out there on the web. - Donn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 9:56:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server1.spo.matrix.com.br (server1.spo.matrix.com.br [200.202.7.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A543A37B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:56:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from lg.spo.matrix.com.br (lg.spo.matrix.com.br [200.202.7.254]) by server1.spo.matrix.com.br (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAMHt8s85320 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:55:13 -0200 (BRST) (envelope-from thiago@matrix.com.br) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:59:29 -0200 (EDT) From: Thiago Lucas To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: another perl problem ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello. Well.. somebody knows how I can solve this ? (I get this error in "make installworld"): ... ===> gnu/usr.bin/perl/library/SDBM_File cd /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/library/SDBM_File/ext/SDBM_File ; make -B i nstall INSTALLPRIVLIB=/usr/libdata/perl/5.00503 INSTALLARCHLIB=/usr/libdata/pe rl/5.00503/mach cd sdbm && make all rm -rf libsdbm.a ar cr libsdbm.a sdbm.o pair.o hash.o && : libsdbm.a chmod 755 libsdbm.a chmod:No such file or directory *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/library/SDBM_File/ext/SDBM_File/sdbm. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/library/SDBM_File/ext/SDBM_File. ... now, trying to do what "make installworld" fail: # cd /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/library/SDBM_File/ext/SDBM_File # cd sdbm && make all rm -rf libsdbm.a ar cr libsdbm.a sdbm.o pair.o hash.o && : libsdbm.a chmod 755 libsdbm.a /bin/sh -c true # (root!shaolin)(~)# uname -v FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #0: Wed Nov 22 13:51:12 EDT 2000 root@shaolin:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/shaolin -- My source is up to date (i cvsup'ed today). help :) --- Thiago Lucas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 10:10:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server1.spo.matrix.com.br (server1.spo.matrix.com.br [200.202.7.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B6F037B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:10:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from lg.spo.matrix.com.br (lg.spo.matrix.com.br [200.202.7.254]) by server1.spo.matrix.com.br (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAMI9js90247 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:09:57 -0200 (BRST) (envelope-from thiago@matrix.com.br) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:14:06 -0200 (EDT) From: Thiago Lucas To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry for the question.. i found how i can fix it in "freebsd-stable archives". thanks --- Thiago Lucas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 10:12: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n37.san.rr.com (dt051n37.san.rr.com [204.210.32.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB41137B479; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:12:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from FreeBSD.org (Studded@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n37.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA64447; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:12:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <3A1C0C72.22BCF791@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:12:02 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. References: <20001121135541.A14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20001121082750.A2922@citusc17.usc.edu> <20001121153249.C1910@dragon.nuxi.com> <20001121215318.A14339@citusc17.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 03:32:49PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 08:27:50AM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > No longer correct. You don't need to futz with libraries and symlinks > > > any more, > > > > Shouldn't we remove "NODESCRYPTLINKS" from /etc/defaults/make.conf and > > anywhere else it is still used? > > I think so. There's no operational downside to having a library which > can do DES and MD5 passwords any more, since it won't stubbornly > default to DES. Ok, maybe I'm the one who is missing something, but what if I *want* a crypt() that stubbornly defaults to DES? The current situation gives me that opportunity. If you remove NODESCRYPTLINKS please provide a suitable substitute, then leave it alone. This is something that's changed several times in -Stable as well as -Current, and it's getting to be a pita. Doug -- So what I want to know is, where does the RED brick road go? Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 10:23:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBE037B4E5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:23:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAMIMOI79258; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:22:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: "Antonio Carlos Pina" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone tried fresh 4.2-RELEASE buildworld ? In-Reply-To: Message from "Antonio Carlos Pina" of "Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:45:57 -0200." <00e001c05492$eca35760$0b6cffc8@infolink.com.br> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:22:24 -0800 Message-ID: <79255.974917344@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm stuck in a compiler error (signal 4) while trying "make buildworld" in a > fresh 4.2-RELEASE installation. I sent a PR already, but I would like to > know if anyone here has gotten 4.2-RELEASE fresh installed (I mean, not > cvsup'd) and build world'd. It seems very much to me as if this is a local error; I've installed 4.2 quite a few times now on various machines and not had any problems like this, nor have I received any other reports like yours. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 10:28:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (dhcp250.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B8D37B4CF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAMIZLF01055; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:35:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011221835.eAMIZLF01055@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: "Antonio Carlos Pina" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone tried fresh 4.2-RELEASE buildworld ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:22:24 PST." <79255.974917344@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:35:21 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I'm stuck in a compiler error (signal 4) while trying "make buildworld" in a > > fresh 4.2-RELEASE installation. I sent a PR already, but I would like to > > know if anyone here has gotten 4.2-RELEASE fresh installed (I mean, not > > cvsup'd) and build world'd. > > It seems very much to me as if this is a local error; I've installed > 4.2 quite a few times now on various machines and not had any problems > like this, nor have I received any other reports like yours. We've actually seen a couple of reports over time that the Cyrix 166+ CPUs do this. It's never been tracked down to either a compiler/CPU interaction or an OS/CPU/chipset interaction, but it would be fair to say that a CPU swap to another model will probably get you out of the woods. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 10:35:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hyperbate.francenet.fr (hyperbate.francenet.fr [193.149.97.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B008137B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:35:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com (pppA128.francenet.fr [193.149.100.38]) by hyperbate.francenet.fr (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAMIZLT27390; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:35:23 +0100 (MET) Received: by notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 26196E6C2F; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:32:13 +0100 (CET) To: Lars Eggert Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: two identical PC cards References: <3A1B2633.B290BF6A@isi.edu> From: Eric Masson In-Reply-To: <3A1B2633.B290BF6A@isi.edu> Date: 22 Nov 2000 19:32:11 +0100 Message-ID: <86pujnc0yc.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> Lines: 15 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Channel Islands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Lars" == Lars Eggert writes: Lars> I'm trying to get FreeBSD to recognize two identical PC cards Lars> (3Com EtherLink III 3C589D) under -STABLE. The fist card attaches Lars> correctly, for the second card I see "No free configuration for Lars> Card 3Com Corporation" messages from pccardd. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=43904+0+/usr/local/www/db/text/2000/freebsd-mobile/20001119.freebsd-mobile Follow the thread. It seems to be a design flaw of pccardd. Eric Masson -- Progress (n) : What led from smart users in front of dumb terminals to dumb users in front of smart terminals. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 10:52:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from veldy.net (w028.z064001117.msp-mn.dsl.cnc.net [64.1.117.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9459137B4CF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by veldy.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E14CA8C13; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:52:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by veldy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05D21C3E for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:52:27 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:52:27 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Major SSH problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just upgraded via sources from a 4.2-BETA to todays 4.2-STABLE. Now I can not get port forwarding to work through my SSH clients anymore. I can not find an option in /etc/ssh/sshd_config that turns this option on or off. What am I missing? Why has this option so quietly changed? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 10:56:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1.sentex.ca [199.212.134.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A4C37B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAMIuJR52411; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:56:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.0.20001122134933.00a94120@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.1 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:50:12 -0500 To: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: Major SSH problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There was a security fix related to this posted in this list a few weeks ago. It sounds like its related to that. ---Mike At 12:52 PM 11/22/00 -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: >I just upgraded via sources from a 4.2-BETA to todays 4.2-STABLE. Now I >can not get port forwarding to work through my SSH clients anymore. I can >not find an option in /etc/ssh/sshd_config that turns this option on or >off. What am I missing? Why has this option so quietly changed? > >Tom Veldhouse >veldy@veldy.net > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 10:59:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www3.infolink.com.br (www3.infolink.com.br [200.255.108.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFBD37B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:59:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from diala11 (unverified [200.255.108.11]) by www3.infolink.com.br (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.181) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:59:45 -0300 Message-ID: <008901c054b6$61deb420$0b6cffc8@infolink.com.br> From: "Antonio Carlos Pina" To: References: <200011221835.eAMIZLF01055@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Subject: Re: Anyone tried fresh 4.2-RELEASE buildworld ? Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:59:45 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello thank you for the responses. This is a Pentium III 800Emhz, asus mb. I don't know "signal 4", that's why I've posted here. The weird thing to me is because it was a fresh installation (no ports, no linux compatibility, no Xfree though). I will reinstall the whole thing. Thanks. Best Regards, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Smith" To: "Jordan Hubbard" Cc: "Antonio Carlos Pina" ; Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 4:35 PM Subject: Re: Anyone tried fresh 4.2-RELEASE buildworld ? > > > I'm stuck in a compiler error (signal 4) while trying "make buildworld" in a > > > fresh 4.2-RELEASE installation. I sent a PR already, but I would like to > > > know if anyone here has gotten 4.2-RELEASE fresh installed (I mean, not > > > cvsup'd) and build world'd. > > > > It seems very much to me as if this is a local error; I've installed > > 4.2 quite a few times now on various machines and not had any problems > > like this, nor have I received any other reports like yours. > > We've actually seen a couple of reports over time that the Cyrix 166+ CPUs > do this. It's never been tracked down to either a compiler/CPU > interaction or an OS/CPU/chipset interaction, but it would be fair to say > that a CPU swap to another model will probably get you out of the woods. > > -- > ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his > rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want > to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force > people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 11:22:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546DC37B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAMJLaI79638; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:21:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: "David A. Bader" Cc: apina@infolink.com.br, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world on 4.2-R breaking In-Reply-To: Message from "David A. Bader" of "Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:31:20 MST." <200011221531.IAA02767@eece.unm.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:21:36 -0800 Message-ID: <79634.974920896@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm convinced that it is NOT a memory or CPU problem, because > A) the problem is 100% repeatable Well, it may be 100% repeatable on your machine but not on any of the machines here. Since we're using the same software, ostensibly, how would YOU explain it then? :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 11:22:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gate.trident-uk.co.uk (mail.trident-uk.co.uk [195.166.16.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED75837B4D7 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:22:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [194.207.93.139] by gate.trident-uk.co.uk for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org id TAA26791; Wed Nov 22 19:22:05 2000 Organization: Psi-Domain Ltd. Subject: Re: another perl problem ? Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:27:13 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <00112219270401.00215@freefire.psi-domain.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <00112219270401.00215@freefire.psi-domain.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00112219273702.00215@freefire.psi-domain.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Jamie Heckford Reply-To: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had the same problem. Defining NOPERL= true in /etc/defaults/make.conf seemed to solve it for me.. On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, you wrote: > > Hello. > > > > Well.. somebody knows how I can solve this ? (I get this error in "make > > installworld"): > > > > ... > > > > ===> gnu/usr.bin/perl/library/SDBM_File > > cd /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/library/SDBM_File/ext/SDBM_File ; make -B i > > nstall INSTALLPRIVLIB=/usr/libdata/perl/5.00503 INSTALLARCHLIB=/usr/libdata/pe > > rl/5.00503/mach > > cd sdbm && make all > > rm -rf libsdbm.a > > ar cr libsdbm.a sdbm.o pair.o hash.o && : libsdbm.a > > chmod 755 libsdbm.a > > chmod:No such file or directory > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop in > > /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/library/SDBM_File/ext/SDBM_File/sdbm. > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/library/SDBM_File/ext/SDBM_File. > > > > ... > > > > now, trying to do what "make installworld" fail: > > > > # cd /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/library/SDBM_File/ext/SDBM_File > > # cd sdbm && make all > > rm -rf libsdbm.a > > ar cr libsdbm.a sdbm.o pair.o hash.o && : libsdbm.a > > chmod 755 libsdbm.a > > /bin/sh -c true > > # > > > > (root!shaolin)(~)# uname -v > > FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #0: Wed Nov 22 13:51:12 EDT 2000 > > root@shaolin:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/shaolin > > -- > > > > My source is up to date (i cvsup'ed today). > > > > help :) > > > > --- > > Thiago Lucas > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- > Jamie Heckford > Chief Network Engineer > Psi-Domain - Innovative Linux Solutions. Ask Us How. > > =================================== > email: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk > web: http://www.psi-domain.co.uk/ > > tel: +44 (0)1737 789 246 > fax: +44 (0)1737 789 245 > mobile: +44 (0)7779 646 529 > =================================== -- Jamie Heckford Chief Network Engineer Psi-Domain - Innovative Linux Solutions. Ask Us How. =================================== email: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk web: http://www.psi-domain.co.uk/ tel: +44 (0)1737 789 246 fax: +44 (0)1737 789 245 mobile: +44 (0)7779 646 529 =================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 11:52:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD28937B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAMJqlQ36621; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:52:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA44159; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:52:46 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011221952.MAA44159@harmony.village.org> To: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: two identical PC cards Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:49:39 PST." <3A1B2633.B290BF6A@isi.edu> References: <3A1B2633.B290BF6A@isi.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:52:46 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <3A1B2633.B290BF6A@isi.edu> Lars Eggert writes: : I'm trying to get FreeBSD to recognize two identical PC cards (3Com : EtherLink III 3C589D) under -STABLE. The fist card attaches correctly, for : the second card I see "No free configuration for Card 3Com Corporation" : messages from pccardd. I have never been able to get this to work. I have been told that something like the following will work: # 3Com Etherlink III 3C589D card "3Com Corporation" "3C589D" config 0x1 "ep0" ? config 0x1 "ep1" ? insert /etc/pccard_ether $device remove /sbin/ifconfig $device delete Please report back on success/failure. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 11:58:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from 2711.dynacom.net (2711.dynacom.net [206.107.213.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7591337B4CF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:58:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from urx.com (dsl1-160.dynacom.net [206.159.132.160]) by 2711.dynacom.net (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00997; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:58:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3A1C254C.FC5B0864@urx.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:58:04 -0800 From: Kent Stewart Reply-To: kstewart@urx.com Organization: Dynacom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: another perl problem ? References: <00112219270401.00215@freefire.psi-domain.co.uk> <00112219273702.00215@freefire.psi-domain.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jamie Heckford wrote: > > I had the same problem. > > Defining NOPERL= true > in /etc/defaults/make.conf seemed to solve it for me.. A better solution, at least it was for me, is to add chmod to /usr/src/Makefile.inc1 around line 301. There is a list of progs and I inserted chmod in front of chown. It shouldn't be doing a chmod since libsdbm.a isn't an executable. It also only seems to pick on you one time and then it does all of this in the buildworld where it was supposed to be done. Kent > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, you wrote: > > > Hello. > > > > > > Well.. somebody knows how I can solve this ? (I get this error in "make > > > installworld"): > > > > > > ... > > > > > > ===> gnu/usr.bin/perl/library/SDBM_File > > > cd /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/library/SDBM_File/ext/SDBM_File ; make -B i > > > nstall INSTALLPRIVLIB=/usr/libdata/perl/5.00503 INSTALLARCHLIB=/usr/libdata/pe > > > rl/5.00503/mach > > > cd sdbm && make all > > > rm -rf libsdbm.a > > > ar cr libsdbm.a sdbm.o pair.o hash.o && : libsdbm.a > > > chmod 755 libsdbm.a > > > chmod:No such file or directory > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > Stop in > > > /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/library/SDBM_File/ext/SDBM_File/sdbm. > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/library/SDBM_File/ext/SDBM_File. > > > > > > ... > > > > > > now, trying to do what "make installworld" fail: > > > > > > # cd /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/library/SDBM_File/ext/SDBM_File > > > # cd sdbm && make all > > > rm -rf libsdbm.a > > > ar cr libsdbm.a sdbm.o pair.o hash.o && : libsdbm.a > > > chmod 755 libsdbm.a > > > /bin/sh -c true > > > # > > > > > > (root!shaolin)(~)# uname -v > > > FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #0: Wed Nov 22 13:51:12 EDT 2000 > > > root@shaolin:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/shaolin > > > -- > > > > > > My source is up to date (i cvsup'ed today). > > > > > > help :) > > > > > > --- > > > Thiago Lucas > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > -- > > Jamie Heckford > > Chief Network Engineer > > Psi-Domain - Innovative Linux Solutions. Ask Us How. > > > > =================================== > > email: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk > > web: http://www.psi-domain.co.uk/ > > > > tel: +44 (0)1737 789 246 > > fax: +44 (0)1737 789 245 > > mobile: +44 (0)7779 646 529 > > =================================== > -- > Jamie Heckford > Chief Network Engineer > Psi-Domain - Innovative Linux Solutions. Ask Us How. > > =================================== > email: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk > web: http://www.psi-domain.co.uk/ > > tel: +44 (0)1737 789 246 > fax: +44 (0)1737 789 245 > mobile: +44 (0)7779 646 529 > =================================== > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 12:16:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C1E7337B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:16:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26645 invoked by uid 0); 22 Nov 2000 20:16:08 -0000 Received: from p3ee21643.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO speedy.gsinet) (62.226.22.67) by mail.gmx.net (mail01) with SMTP; 22 Nov 2000 20:16:08 -0000 Received: (from sittig@localhost) by speedy.gsinet (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA16894 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:58:06 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:58:06 +0100 From: Gerhard Sittig To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvsupd Message-ID: <20001122155806.P27042@speedy.gsinet> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20001122133549.D14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20001122133549.D14220@nevermind.kiev.ua>; from never@nevermind.kiev.ua on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 01:35:49PM +0200 Organization: System Defenestrators Inc. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 13:35 +0200, Nevermind wrote: > > I need to setup cvsupd that will provide full freebsd > repository -- it is needed for our company. Then read one of the threads on how to become a cvsup mirror (the latest in this forum just passed by two weeks ago, see Msg-Id <200011081635.eA8GZt027242@vashon.polstra.com> -- you did search before posting here, didn't you?). Visit jdp's website which contains detailled discussions about the server side as well as the client -- at least it did last time I was there. :> virtually yours 82D1 9B9C 01DC 4FB4 D7B4 61BE 3F49 4F77 72DE DA76 Gerhard Sittig true | mail -s "get gpg key" Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 12:34:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FCB137B4C5; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:34:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA37781; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:34:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAMKYaj51038; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:34:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:34:35 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Doug Barton Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: <20001122123435.A50977@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.org References: <20001121135541.A14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20001121082750.A2922@citusc17.usc.edu> <20001121153249.C1910@dragon.nuxi.com> <20001121215318.A14339@citusc17.usc.edu> <3A1C0C72.22BCF791@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A1C0C72.22BCF791@FreeBSD.org>; from DougB@FreeBSD.org on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 10:12:02AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 10:12:02AM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > Ok, maybe I'm the one who is missing something, but what if I *want* a > crypt() that stubbornly defaults to DES? Set the password type in /etc/login.conf. Or am I missing something here? > This is something that's changed several times in -Stable as well as > -Current, and it's getting to be a pita. Yeah, I know. :-( -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 12:38:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from citusc17.usc.edu (citusc17.usc.edu [128.125.38.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222ED37B479; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:38:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc17.usc.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAMKdhD13228; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:39:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:39:43 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Doug Barton Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: <20001122123943.A13194@citusc17.usc.edu> References: <20001121135541.A14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20001121082750.A2922@citusc17.usc.edu> <20001121153249.C1910@dragon.nuxi.com> <20001121215318.A14339@citusc17.usc.edu> <3A1C0C72.22BCF791@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A1C0C72.22BCF791@FreeBSD.org>; from DougB@FreeBSD.org on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 10:12:02AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 10:12:02AM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > Ok, maybe I'm the one who is missing something, but what if I *want* a > crypt() that stubbornly defaults to DES? The current situation gives me > that opportunity. If you remove NODESCRYPTLINKS please provide a > suitable substitute, then leave it alone. This is something that's > changed several times in -Stable as well as -Current, and it's getting > to be a pita. NODESCRYPTLINKS was always intended as a temporary workaround. The solution is to use passwd_format=des in your default login class. Kris --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjocLw8ACgkQWry0BWjoQKX3UwCg5jJ3YBeGTISWbDDVGqE2NY7a 0IcAoKL0WRRnUlpwXzSrqvuSLbcQ/sTJ =xodS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 12:43:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awww.jeah.net (awww.jeah.net [216.111.239.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8C637B4C5; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:43:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by awww.jeah.net (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAMKjH548231; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:45:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:45:16 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Byrnes To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Doug Barton , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. In-Reply-To: <20001122123943.A13194@citusc17.usc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > NODESCRYPTLINKS was always intended as a temporary workaround. The > solution is to use passwd_format=des in your default login class. I have: BDECFLAGS= -W -Wall -ansi -pedantic -Wbad-function-cast -Wcast-align \ -Wcast-qual -Wchar-subscripts -Wconversion -Winline \ -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith \ -Wredundant-decls -Wshadow -Wstrict-prototypes -Wwrite-strings Then: NODESCRYPTLINKS=true # do not replace libcrypt -> libscrypt link Are these at all contradicting? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 12:45:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wop21.wop.wtb.tue.nl (wop21.wop.wtb.tue.nl [131.155.56.216]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2344737B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:45:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from karelj@localhost) by wop21.wop.wtb.tue.nl (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAMKjSg00959 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:45:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from karelj) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:44:26 +0100 From: "Karel J. Bosschaart" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: panic: vm_page_free: freeing wired page Message-ID: <20001122214426.A871@wop21.wop.wtb.tue.nl> Reply-To: K.J.Bosschaart@wtb.tue.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This week one of my machines rebooted 'spontaneously' three times. The first time after an uptime of 56 days, running 4.1-RC. I cvsup'd to 4.2-BETA, and configured the kernel to crash dump. The second time it didn't save core, but today it did, after the third spontaneous reboot. The panic message is in the subject line, and the output after a 'bt' is included below. Can someone help interpreting it? Could it mean that my memory has gone bad? I did a search on the -stable list and found some issues about this panic message but that was back in the 3.1 days. Karel. (kgdb) bt #0 dumpsys () at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:469 #1 0xc01530cb in boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:309 #2 0xc0153448 in poweroff_wait (junk=0xc02c36c0, howto=4) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:556 #3 0xc023bd86 in vm_page_free_toq (m=0xc04db688) at ../../vm/vm_page.c:1109 #4 0xc0234575 in vm_fault (map=0xc76f3880, vaddr=675512320, fault_type=1 '\001', fault_flags=0) at ../../vm/vm_page.h:523 #5 0xc02901ee in trap_pfault (frame=0xc7725fa8, usermode=1, eva=675512320) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:824 #6 0xc028fcf3 in trap (frame={tf_fs = 47, tf_es = 47, tf_ds = 47, tf_edi = 134665664, tf_esi = 675512319, tf_ebp = -1, tf_isp = -948805676, tf_ebx = 362, tf_edx = 675512031, tf_ecx = 18, tf_eax = -540846655, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 4, tf_eip = 672190790, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 66071, tf_esp = -1077945364, tf_ss = 47}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:359 #7 0x2810d146 in ?? () Cannot access memory at address 0xffffffff. (kgdb) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 12:52:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E24E37B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:52:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA37885; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:52:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAMKqEC51214; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:52:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:52:14 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Bill Fumerola Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: <20001122125214.B50977@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20001121135541.A14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20001121082750.A2922@citusc17.usc.edu> <20001121114933.D27266@stat.Duke.EDU> <20001121085551.A3534@citusc17.usc.edu> <20001121153112.B1910@dragon.nuxi.com> <20001121180236.U14080@elvis.mu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001121180236.U14080@elvis.mu.org>; from billf@mu.org on Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 06:02:36PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 06:02:36PM -0600, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 03:31:12PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > Maybe in the future we'll get this level granularity. Or maybe this > > should have been folded into PAM (which really feels orphaned in FreeBSD > > and very few know the vision for PAM w/in FreeBSD). > > I don't really see what we need as far as a "vision" for PAM, its in > our tree, lots of applications use it, some more should use it. If more people understood our intended uses of PAM, maybe more would change applications to use it. > I'm happy :-> I'm not the only one that feels this way. Gerhard posted this to -security or -stable (don't remember which). Since you're pretty comfortable with PAM, could you reply to him? Maybe we'll get more documentation on it. On Sat, Nov 11, 2000 at 06:38:26PM +0100, Gerhard Sittig wrote: > While we're at this: Where can I learn more about PAM in the > FreeBSD environment? I'm aware of being OT, but this is a reply > to a -stable article and I offer to collect the answers and > summarize them for -stable, -doc or -questions (even when I'm not To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 12:52:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from citusc17.usc.edu (citusc17.usc.edu [128.125.38.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C7F37B6CA; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:52:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc17.usc.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAMKrie13572; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:53:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:53:44 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Chris Byrnes Cc: Doug Barton , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: <20001122125344.A13528@citusc17.usc.edu> References: <20001122123943.A13194@citusc17.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from chris@jeah.net on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 02:45:16PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 02:45:16PM -0600, Chris Byrnes wrote: > > NODESCRYPTLINKS was always intended as a temporary workaround. The > > solution is to use passwd_format=3Ddes in your default login class. >=20 > I have: >=20 > BDECFLAGS=3D -W -Wall -ansi -pedantic -Wbad-function-cast -Wcast-ali= gn > \ > -Wcast-qual -Wchar-subscripts -Wconversion -Winline \ > -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith \ > -Wredundant-decls -Wshadow -Wstrict-prototypes > -Wwrite-strings >=20 > Then: >=20 > NODESCRYPTLINKS=3Dtrue # do not replace libcrypt -> libscrypt link >=20 > Are these at all contradicting? Uhh..these are *completely* different things. One is a set of compiler flags to use when debugging, the other is an obsolete build option for make world. Kris --zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjocMlgACgkQWry0BWjoQKUIrACgvuJtmLLhvjabI8i8J9jEB246 5JwAnAxCeQwv5D7sTge0HTvYBhOT7f1q =FrC0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 13: 1:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546E637B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:01:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA37958; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:01:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAML1Tx51287; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:01:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:01:28 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Chris Byrnes Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: <20001122130128.C50977@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20001122123943.A13194@citusc17.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from chris@jeah.net on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 02:45:16PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 02:45:16PM -0600, Chris Byrnes wrote: > > NODESCRYPTLINKS was always intended as a temporary workaround. The > > solution is to use passwd_format=des in your default login class. > > I have: > > BDECFLAGS= -W -Wall -ansi -pedantic -Wbad-function-cast -Wcast-align > \ > -Wcast-qual -Wchar-subscripts -Wconversion -Winline \ > -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith \ > -Wredundant-decls -Wshadow -Wstrict-prototypes > -Wwrite-strings > > Then: > > NODESCRYPTLINKS=true # do not replace libcrypt -> libscrypt link > > > Are these at all contradicting? No. They are 2 totally separate things. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 13:11:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from agena.meridian-enviro.com (thunder.meridian-enviro.com [207.109.234.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCBC37B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from delta.meridian-enviro.com (delta.meridian-enviro.com [10.10.10.43]) by agena.meridian-enviro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA87970; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:11:07 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rand@meridian-enviro.com) Received: (from rand@localhost) by delta.meridian-enviro.com (8.11.1/8.9.2) id eAMLB7X30007; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:11:07 -0600 (CST) From: "Douglas K. Rand" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14876.13931.744935.819186@delta.meridian-enviro.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:11:07 -0600 (CST) To: Hajimu UMEMOTO Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pam_ssh problems In-Reply-To: <20001122172155V.ume@mahoroba.org> References: <14874.57919.214727.731216@delta.meridian-enviro.com> <20001122172155V.ume@mahoroba.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid X-Face: $L%T~#'9fAQ])o]A][d7EH`V;"_;2K;TEPQB=v]rDf_2s% After a cvsup, wdm started dropping core. I've cvsup'ed a few rand> times since then also, hoping for a fix, but no luck yet. My rand> latest cvsup was yesterday. Hajimu> I met same problem. Following PRs solved my problem: Hajimu> bin/22614: pam_ssh dumps core Hajimu> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=22614 Hajimu> bin/22670: yet another pam_ssh core dump Hajimu> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=22670 Thanks for the help. I applied the patch from the first PR, and it worked like a charm. Thats a good reminder for me that there are other sources of information out there besides -stable and -current. I never thought of checking the PR database. ;^) Thanks again. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 13:34:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www3.infolink.com.br (www3.infolink.com.br [200.255.108.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF6037B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:34:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from diala11 (unverified [200.255.108.11]) by www3.infolink.com.br (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.181) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:34:22 -0300 Message-ID: <000701c054cb$fbd10e10$0b6cffc8@infolink.com.br> From: "Antonio Carlos Pina" To: References: <79634.974920896@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Subject: Re: make world on 4.2-R breaking Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:34:24 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan & All, I apreciate all responses you guys gave me, but unfortunately I still haven't got the one I want. Let me try again ;-) Since I don't know what is "signal 4", is there anybody out there that have gotten: 1) Fresh install of 4.2-RELEASE 2) make buildworld done OK ! ? Because I would like to know about the installation (I mean, Xfree installed ? Ports installed ?Clock UTC or Local ? ;-)) since I intend to repeat the same way here. Thanks all, Antonio Carlos Pina http://www.infolink.com.br ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jordan Hubbard" To: "David A. Bader" Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 5:21 PM Subject: Re: make world on 4.2-R breaking > > I'm convinced that it is NOT a memory or CPU problem, because > > A) the problem is 100% repeatable > > Well, it may be 100% repeatable on your machine but not on any of the > machines here. Since we're using the same software, ostensibly, > how would YOU explain it then? :-) > > - Jordan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 14: 0:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from veldy.net (w028.z064001117.msp-mn.dsl.cnc.net [64.1.117.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9F137B4CF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:00:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from cascade (cascade.veldy.net [192.168.0.1]) by veldy.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 155888C11 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:59:59 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000901c054cf$6444ae40$0100a8c0@cascade> From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: Subject: OpenSSH not broken! Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:58:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I apologize for my report earlier. I was convinced that OpenSSH was not allowing me to forward packets anymore (my SSH client was complaining). In reality, the problem was caused by myself. I accidentally applied an /etc/inetd.conf to my system and had disabled a couple of services during a Mergemaster run. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 14: 2:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nemesis.worldnet.net (nemesis.worldnet.net [195.3.3.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF4A37B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:02:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from m2.worldnet.net (m2.worldnet.net [195.3.3.6]) by nemesis.worldnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32370 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:05:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from pern.worldnet.net (ppp44-net1-idf3-bas1.isdnet.net [195.154.52.44]) by m2.worldnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20319 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:02:09 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001122225500.021fddc0@pop.worldnet.net> X-Sender: chainess@pop.worldnet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:04:31 +0100 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Frederic Nguyen Subject: 4.2-RELEASE + SCSI device unable to mount file system In-Reply-To: <00e001c05492$eca35760$0b6cffc8@infolink.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, did anybody encountered that problem while upgrading from 3.5 to 4.2? (controller is an Adaptec 2940UW with an 18Gb SCSI HD) Mounting root from ufs:da0s1a da0 at ahc1 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device ... da0: 17366MB (35566480 512 byte sectros: 255H 63S/T 2213C) da0: bad sector table not supported da0s1: bad sector table not supported Root mount failed: 22 Mounting root from ufs:da0a da0: bad sector table not supported da0s1: bad sector table not supported Root mount failed: 22 Manuel root filesystem specification: : Mount using filesystem eg. ufs:/dev/da0s1a ? List valid disk boot devices Abort manual input mountroot> Thanks, Fred. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 14:21:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from postoffice.aims.com.au (advanc2.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.119.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8255D37B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:21:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from postoffice.aims.com.au (nts-ts1.aims.private [192.168.10.2]) by postoffice.aims.com.au with ESMTP id JAA95029 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:20:52 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from chris@aims.com.au) Received: from ntsts1 by aims.com.au with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.0.R) for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:21:15 +1100 Reply-To: From: "Chris Knight" To: Subject: RE: Hmm..passwords. Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:21:13 +1100 Message-ID: <002f01c054d2$86ec6ac0$020aa8c0@aims.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20001122123943.A13194@citusc17.usc.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Return-Path: chris@aims.com.au X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Howdy, > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Kris Kennaway > Sent: Thursday, 23 November 2000 7:40 > To: Doug Barton > Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. > > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 10:12:02AM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > > > Ok, maybe I'm the one who is missing something, but > what if I *want* a > > crypt() that stubbornly defaults to DES? The current > situation gives me > > that opportunity. If you remove NODESCRYPTLINKS please provide a > > suitable substitute, then leave it alone. This is something that's > > changed several times in -Stable as well as -Current, and > it's getting > > to be a pita. > > NODESCRYPTLINKS was always intended as a temporary workaround. The > solution is to use passwd_format=des in your default login class. > It's a solution for login. It's not a solution for any application that dynamically links to libcrypt, and then expects the hash algorithm to remain the same - which is a fair assumption to make. I'm exceptionally happy with NODESCRYPTLINKS, so my opinion is to leave it alone. > Kris > Regards, Chris Knight Systems Administrator AIMS Independent Computer Professionals Tel: +61 3 6334 6664 Fax: +61 3 6331 7032 Mob: +61 419 528 795 Web: http://www.aims.com.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 14:22: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2AB37B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:22:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 13yiH9-0005L3-00; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:21:59 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.1/8.11.0) id eAMMKv402581; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:20:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:20:57 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Frederic Nguyen Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.2-RELEASE + SCSI device unable to mount file system Message-ID: <20001122232057.G2163@freebie.demon.nl> References: <00e001c05492$eca35760$0b6cffc8@infolink.com.br> <5.0.0.25.2.20001122225500.021fddc0@pop.worldnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001122225500.021fddc0@pop.worldnet.net>; from chainess@worldnet.net on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 11:04:31PM +0100 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 11:04:31PM +0100, Frederic Nguyen wrote: > Hello, > > did anybody encountered that problem while upgrading from 3.5 to 4.2? > (controller is an Adaptec 2940UW with an 18Gb SCSI HD) > > Mounting root from ufs:da0s1a > da0 at ahc1 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device > ... > da0: 17366MB (35566480 512 byte sectros: 255H 63S/T 2213C) > da0: bad sector table not supported > da0s1: bad sector table not supported > Root mount failed: 22 > Mounting root from ufs:da0a > da0: bad sector table not supported > da0s1: bad sector table not supported Why do you have a badsector table on a SCSI disk?? bad144 was canned quite some time ago, I think that might be causing this. Badsect tables are for old ESDI etc drives. Never been for SCSI -- Wilko Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands wilko@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 14:22:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C8737B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:22:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAMMLgI81191; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:21:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: "Antonio Carlos Pina" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world on 4.2-R breaking In-Reply-To: Message from "Antonio Carlos Pina" of "Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:34:24 -0200." <000701c054cb$fbd10e10$0b6cffc8@infolink.com.br> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:21:41 -0800 Message-ID: <81187.974931701@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Let me try again ;-) Since I don't know what is "signal 4", is there anybody > out there that have gotten: > > 1) Fresh install of 4.2-RELEASE > 2) make buildworld done OK ! Yes to both; sorry, I thought I made that clear before. > Because I would like to know about the installation (I mean, Xfree installed > ? Ports installed ?Clock UTC or Local ? ;-)) since I intend to repeat the > same way here. X-Developer and X-user both installed, ports installed, Clock UTC. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 14:25:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n37.san.rr.com (dt051n37.san.rr.com [204.210.32.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA16837B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from slave (Studded@slave [10.0.0.1]) by dt051n37.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA65586 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:25:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:25:15 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Barton X-Sender: doug@dt051n37.san.rr.com To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. In-Reply-To: <20001122123435.A50977@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, David O'Brien wrote: > On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 10:12:02AM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > > Ok, maybe I'm the one who is missing something, but what if I *want* a > > crypt() that stubbornly defaults to DES? > > Set the password type in /etc/login.conf. Or am I missing something > here? Yes. I didn't say I wanted DES passwords, I said I want a DES (and only DES) crypt(). crypt() is used for things other than master.passwd. My original request still stands. I want to be able to define something that says, "Give me DES and only DES for my crypt(), passwords, and everything else." Doug -- So what I want to know is, where does the RED brick road go? Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 14:45:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from manston.placeware.com (manston.placeware.com [209.1.15.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1729D37B4CF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:45:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from aberwrach.hp.com (dhcp172.placeware.com [209.1.15.172]) by manston.placeware.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id XC75RQ8R; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:47:42 -0800 Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.0.20001122142036.0195b008@puccini.grenoble.hp.com> X-Sender: leberre@puccini.grenoble.hp.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.1 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:50:40 -0800 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Philippe Le Berre Subject: Error in wait while rm -f .depend at various buildworld stage ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have this box with 4.1.1-Release running (see at the end for the dmesg). I have cvsupped stable, and went on to buildworld, alas it's failing in way that puzzled me. I am thinking of a possible h/w (tyan motherboard: Thunder LE S2510 + IBM hd + 1GB) issue but I would appreciate others point-of-views. I have cvsupped at the same time on another system which is running 4.1.1-Stable and it works fine. So, the buildworld always fails on error in wait: -1 while the last command is a rm -f .depend. I have tried several make clean then make buildworld and the error appears at different place/time of the build process. Any thought, advice would be welcomed. Thanks -philippe Here's one example: ----->>-------------------->>--------------- rs.ru/koi2alt/GTAGS ===> usr.sbin/lpr/filters.ru/koi2855 rm -f .depend /usr/src/usr.sbin/lpr/filters.ru/koi2855/GPATH /usr/src/usr.sbin/lpr/filters.r u/koi2855/GRTAGS /usr/src/usr.sbin/lpr/filters.ru/koi2855/GSYMS /usr/src/usr.sbin/lpr/filte rs.ru/koi2855/GTAGS ===> usr.sbin/lpr/filters.ru/koi2alt rm -f koi2alt koi2alt.o rm -f .depend /usr/src/usr.sbin/lpr/filters.ru/koi2alt/GPATH /usr/src/usr.sbin/lpr/filters.r u/koi2alt/GRTAGS /usr/src/usr.sbin/lpr/filters.ru/koi2alt/GSYMS /usr/src/usr.sbin/lpr/filte rs.ru/koi2alt/GTAGS ===> usr.sbin/lpr/filters.ru/koi2855 rm -f koi2855 koi2855.o rm -f .depend /usr/src/usr.sbin/lpr/filters.ru/koi2855/GPATH /usr/src/usr.sbin/lpr/filters.r u/koi2855/GRTAGS /usr/src/usr.sbin/lpr/filters.ru/koi2855/GSYMS /usr/src/usr.sbin/lpr/filte rs.ru/koi2855/GTAGS error in wait: -1 *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/src/usr.sbin/lpr/filters.ru. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/usr.sbin/lpr. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/usr.sbin. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. >>-------------------->>--------------------------------- dmesg -------------------->>------------>>---------------------- Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE #0: Tue Sep 26 00:46:59 GMT 2000 jkh@narf.osd.bsdi.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (797.48-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x686 Stepping = 6 Features=0x387fbff real memory = 1073741824 (1048576K bytes) avail memory = 1041694720 (1017280K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0416000. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled md0: Malloc disk npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pci0: at 1.0 irq 11 fxp0: port 0xd400-0xd43f mem 0xfe900000-0xfe9fffff,0xfeafe 000-0xfeafefff irq 9 at device 4.0 on pci0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:e0:81:01:3f:51 fxp1: port 0xd000-0xd03f mem 0xfe700000-0xfe7fffff,0xfeafd 000-0xfeafdfff irq 5 at device 5.0 on pci0 fxp1: Ethernet address 00:e0:81:01:3f:52 isab0: at device 15.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 15.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 ohci0: mem 0xfeafc000-0xfeafcfff irq 10 at device 15.2 on pci0 usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb0: on ohci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: (unknown) OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered pcib1: on motherboard pci1: on pcib1 sym0: <1010-33> port 0xe400-0xe4ff mem 0xfebd8000-0xfebd9fff,0xfebe0000-0xfebe03ff irq 7 at device 6.0 on pci1 sym0: Symbios NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-80, LVD, parity checking sym0: open drain IRQ line driver, using on-chip SRAM sym0: using LOAD/STORE-based firmware. sym0: handling phase mismatch from SCRIPTS. sym1: <1010-33> port 0xe800-0xe8ff mem 0xfebf0000-0xfebf1fff,0xfebf8000-0xfebf83ff irq 10 at device 6.1 on pci1 sym1: Symbios NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-80, LVD, parity checking sym1: open drain IRQ line driver, using on-chip SRAM sym1: using LOAD/STORE-based firmware. sym1: handling phase mismatch from SCRIPTS. fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model IntelliMouse, device ID 3 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 sio1: type 16550A ppc0: parallel port not found. acd0: CDROM at ata1-slave using PIO4 Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle (noperiph:sym0:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered. (noperiph:sym1:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered. Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0s1a da0 at sym0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device da0: 160.000MB/s transfers (80.000MHz, offset 62, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 17501MB (35843670 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2231C) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 14:56:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nemesis.worldnet.net (nemesis.worldnet.net [195.3.3.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BAD37B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:56:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from m2.worldnet.net (m2.worldnet.net [195.3.3.6]) by nemesis.worldnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA37915; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:59:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from pern.worldnet.net (ppp44-net1-idf3-bas1.isdnet.net [195.154.52.44]) by m2.worldnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24421; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:56:37 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001122235723.022443b0@pop.worldnet.net> X-Sender: chainess@pop.worldnet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:59:00 +0100 To: Wilko Bulte From: Frederic Nguyen Subject: Re: 4.2-RELEASE + SCSI device unable to mount file system Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20001122232057.G2163@freebie.demon.nl> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001122225500.021fddc0@pop.worldnet.net> <00e001c05492$eca35760$0b6cffc8@infolink.com.br> <5.0.0.25.2.20001122225500.021fddc0@pop.worldnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What should I do then? How to remove that badsector table so that system may boot properly? > da0: bad sector table not supported > > da0s1: bad sector table not supported > >Why do you have a badsector table on a SCSI disk?? bad144 was canned quite >some time ago, I think that might be causing this. Badsect tables are for >old ESDI etc drives. Never been for SCSI To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 15: 4:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from chiark.greenend.org.uk (chiark.greenend.org.uk [195.224.76.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF0D237B4CF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:04:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from andrewm by chiark.greenend.org.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #2) id 13yiwB-0001kj-00 (Debian); Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:04:23 +0000 From: Andrew Mobbs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14876.20727.497473.625791@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:04:23 +0000 (GMT) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Mozilla M18 & PNG crash X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Am I doing something obviously wrong, or should I send-pr this? Problem: Mozilla M18 crashes whenever I try viewing a page with a PNG image, e.g. http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/ System (csvupped last week): kadath:~$ uname -a FreeBSD kadath.relativity.greenend.org.uk 4.2-BETA FreeBSD 4.2-BETA #0: Tue Nov 14 23:07:24 GMT 2000 root@kadath.relativity.greenend.org.uk:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/001007kadath i386 kadath:~$ pkg_version -v | egrep "mozilla|png" mozilla-M18 = up-to-date with index png-1.0.8_1 = up-to-date with index Trace: Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted. 0x2830430c in kill () from /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4 (gdb) bt #0 0x2830430c in kill () from /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4 #1 0x2834e64a in abort () from /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4 #2 0x2831af91 in _thread_exit () from /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4 #3 0x282dc082 in longjmp () from /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4 #4 0x2975ba77 in il_png_error_handler () from /usr/X11R6/lib/mozilla/components/libnspng.so #5 0x29782ca6 in png_error () from /usr/local/lib/libpng.so.4 #6 0x2975bdeb in PNGDecoder::ImgDInit () from /usr/X11R6/lib/mozilla/components/libnspng.so #7 0x280a3f36 in IL_StreamFirstWrite () from /usr/X11R6/lib/mozilla/./libgkgfx.so #8 0x280a10e6 in NetReaderImpl::FirstWrite () from /usr/X11R6/lib/mozilla/./libgkgfx.so #9 0x280951a3 in ImageConsumer::OnDataAvailable () from /usr/X11R6/lib/mozilla/./libgkgfx.so #10 0x288b717c in nsDocumentOpenInfo::OnDataAvailable () from /usr/X11R6/lib/mozilla/components/liburiloader.so #11 0x287604a7 in nsHTTPFinalListener::OnDataAvailable () from /usr/X11R6/lib/mozilla/components/libnecko.so #12 0x28789912 in InterceptStreamListener::OnDataAvailable () from /usr/X11R6/lib/mozilla/components/libnecko.so #13 0x2875ed89 in nsHTTPServerListener::OnDataAvailable () from /usr/X11R6/lib/mozilla/components/libnecko.so #14 0x286e5976 in nsOnDataAvailableEvent::HandleEvent () from /usr/X11R6/lib/mozilla/components/libnecko.so #15 0x286e4b5b in nsStreamListenerEvent::HandlePLEvent () from /usr/X11R6/lib/mozilla/components/libnecko.so #16 0x281589d9 in PL_HandleEvent () from /usr/X11R6/lib/mozilla/./libxpcom.so #17 0x281588e9 in PL_ProcessPendingEvents () from /usr/X11R6/lib/mozilla/./libxpcom.so #18 0x28159ee7 in nsEventQueueImpl::ProcessPendingEvents () from /usr/X11R6/lib/mozilla/./libxpcom.so #19 0x289136cb in event_processor_callback () from /usr/X11R6/lib/mozilla/components/libwidget_gtk.so #20 0x289133d2 in our_gdk_io_invoke () from /usr/X11R6/lib/mozilla/components/libwidget_gtk.so #21 0x28acd3d8 in g_io_unix_dispatch () from /usr/local/lib/libglib12.so.3 #22 0x28acea83 in g_main_dispatch () from /usr/local/lib/libglib12.so.3 #23 0x28acf0ac in g_main_iterate () from /usr/local/lib/libglib12.so.3 #24 0x28acf244 in g_main_run () from /usr/local/lib/libglib12.so.3 #25 0x289f1e57 in gtk_main () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libgtk12.so.2 #26 0x28914324 in nsAppShell::Run () from /usr/X11R6/lib/mozilla/components/libwidget_gtk.so #27 0x285258ca in nsAppShellService::Run () from /usr/X11R6/lib/mozilla/components/libnsappshell.so #28 0x8053a0b in main1 () #29 0x8053ee0 in main () #30 0x804bfa5 in _start () (gdb) -- Andrew Mobbs - http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~andrewm/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 15:15:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shalimar.net.au (shalimar.net.au [198.142.161.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237C337B4CF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:15:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from shalimar.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shalimar.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eAMNFSN05512; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:15:29 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from count@shalimar.net.au) From: Zero Sum Organization: Tobacco Chewers and Body Painters Association. Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:15:28 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "Antonio Carlos Pina" , References: <79634.974920896@winston.osd.bsdi.com> <000701c054cb$fbd10e10$0b6cffc8@infolink.com.br> In-Reply-To: <000701c054cb$fbd10e10$0b6cffc8@infolink.com.br> Subject: Re: make world on 4.2-R breaking MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00112310152803.05065@shalimar.net.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday 23 November 2000 08:34, Antonio Carlos Pina wrote: > Jordan & All, > > I apreciate all responses you guys gave me, but unfortunately I still > haven't got the one I want. > > Let me try again ;-) Since I don't know what is "signal 4", is there anybody > out there that have gotten: > Fromm errno.h... #define EINTR 4 /* Interrupted system call */ I believe that FreeBSD does not permit interupts during system calls. -- count@shalimar.net.au Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 16:42:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from grumpy.dyndns.org (cm-24-246-28-166.toney.mediacom.ispchannel.com [24.246.28.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B0C37B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:42:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumpy.dyndns.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAN0fHS03658; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:41:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Message-Id: <200011230041.eAN0fHS03658@grumpy.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: apina@infolink.com.br Cc: "David A. Bader" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: make world on 4.2-R breaking In-reply-to: Message from "Antonio Carlos Pina" of "Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:20:08 EST." <3a1bf238.253.0@infolink.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:41:17 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Antonio Carlos Pina" writes: > David, I have a little program (I don't recall who wrote it, sorry) > that tests memory, stressing it. I can tell that it hangs a bad > machine (cpu or bus or memory) in 2 or 3 minutes. It fits in a floppy > and it is a DOS program. If you want a copy, I can send it to you. Yeah. But. Remember a memory test program can not prove memory is good. It can only prove memory is bad. And then only if it happens to be very bad. Memory can and does fail when certian sequences of events happen. The trick is to reproduce that sequence. The Right Thing is to buy parity memory and enable ECC in your MB chipset. Not all MB's do ECC. But at least with ECC you can keep on running. Haven't seen if FreeBSD will or won't log an ECC correction. Good hardware such as SGI and Sun will note the corrections and their location via syslog so a good administrator can schedule a repair if ECC events persist. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 16:48:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C61237B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:48:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAN0lw616834; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:47:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:47:58 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200011230047.eAN0lw616834@earth.backplane.com> To: "David A. Bader" Cc: apina@infolink.com.br, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world on 4.2-R breaking References: <3a1bf238.253.0@infolink.com.br> <200011221531.IAA02767@eece.unm.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If you buildworld again, does it die in exactly the same place? If you do it a third time, does it die in exactly the same place? If it's dying in different places then it is almost certainly a memory problem. If it's dying in the same place then it could be a compiler bug or a cpu issue (with the compiler bug being more likely). -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 16:52:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.chem.nwu.edu (mercury.chem.nwu.edu [129.105.116.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B644F37B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:52:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by mercury.chem.nwu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA19760 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:54:40 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:54:39 -0600 (CST) From: "Frederick P. Arnold Jr." To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 16:54:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from citusc17.usc.edu (citusc17.usc.edu [128.125.38.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C754637B4D7 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:54:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc17.usc.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAN0tPs17825; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:55:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:55:24 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Andrew Mobbs Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mozilla M18 & PNG crash Message-ID: <20001122165524.A17744@citusc17.usc.edu> References: <14876.20727.497473.625791@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <14876.20727.497473.625791@chiark.greenend.org.uk>; from andrewm@chiark.greenend.org.uk on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 11:04:23PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 11:04:23PM +0000, Andrew Mobbs wrote: >=20 > Am I doing something obviously wrong, or should I send-pr this? >=20 > Problem:=20 > Mozilla M18 crashes whenever I try viewing a page with a PNG image, > e.g. http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/ Umm, it's a pre-alpha version of an unreleased third party derivative of netscape. Stability is not to be expected here ;-) [1] Report your bugs to the mozilla team..http://www.mozilla.org Kris [1] I'm using mozilla M18 as we speak, and it is much better than previous milestones, although it's still not a stable browser. --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjocavwACgkQWry0BWjoQKU2CACfTRRBhuz5F+nJaFV02AHTqlGh OccAoM9NOU3UNYVeYbSWlz746RTUFk+L =AUOD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 17: 1: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.vnet.net (smtp1.vnet.net [166.82.1.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD6037B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:01:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from dignus.com (ponds.vnet.net [166.82.177.48]) by smtp1.vnet.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eAN10EO07151; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from lakes.dignus.com (lakes.dignus.com [10.0.0.3]) by dignus.com (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA64814; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes.dignus.com (8.9.3/8.6.9) id UAA88622; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:00:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:00:12 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <200011230100.UAA88622@lakes.dignus.com> To: apina@infolink.com.br, count@shalimar.net.au, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world on 4.2-R breaking In-Reply-To: <00112310152803.05065@shalimar.net.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Zero Sum writes: > > > On Thursday 23 November 2000 08:34, Antonio Carlos Pina wrote: > > Jordan & All, > > > > I apreciate all responses you guys gave me, but unfortunately I still > > haven't got the one I want. > > > > Let me try again ;-) Since I don't know what is "signal 4", is there > anybody > > out there that have gotten: > > > Fromm errno.h... > > #define EINTR 4 /* Interrupted system call */ > > I believe that FreeBSD does not permit interupts during system calls. > > > > -- > count@shalimar.net.au > Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione > Actually, I believe you should look in /usr/include/sys/signal.h for signal number 4 - not errno #4. signal #4 is for an illegal instruction, which can be caused by faulty hardware (i.e. bad memory...) - Dave Rivers - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 17:16:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www3.infolink.com.br (www3.infolink.com.br [200.255.108.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1CB737B4CF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:16:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from diala11 (unverified [200.255.108.11]) by www3.infolink.com.br (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.181) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:16:25 -0300 Message-ID: <004e01c054eb$00683150$0b6cffc8@infolink.com.br> From: "Antonio Carlos Pina" To: "Matt Dillon" Cc: References: <3a1bf238.253.0@infolink.com.br> <200011221531.IAA02767@eece.unm.edu> <200011230047.eAN0lw616834@earth.backplane.com> Subject: Re: make world on 4.2-R breaking Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:16:25 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello Matt, thanks for your response. Hello All. Well, I got this FreeBSD installed thru Internet (FTP Installation). Since I couldn't assure that everything went RIGHT and a lot of people told me it DOES work, I downloaded the iso, burned a CD and installed it again, 20 minutes ago. Now, I've chosen "medium security" rather than "high security" (the one I selected before, just for fun), and right now I'm building world just fine. I believe it could be a bad CC1 (or one of his components). I don't believe it could be anything related to "security profile", but since it's a difference from the first try ... ;-) Thanks all and sorry for all the mess. Best Regards, Antonio Carlos Pina apina@infolink.com.br http://www.infolink.com.br ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dillon" To: "David A. Bader" Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 10:47 PM Subject: Re: make world on 4.2-R breaking > If you buildworld again, does it die in exactly the same place? If > you do it a third time, does it die in exactly the same place? > > If it's dying in different places then it is almost certainly a > memory problem. If it's dying in the same place then it could be > a compiler bug or a cpu issue (with the compiler bug being more > likely). > > -Matt > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 17:29: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cielo.eece.unm.edu (cielo.eece.unm.edu [129.24.24.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 922E737B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:29:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from jalapeno.eece.unm.edu ([129.24.24.88] helo=eece.unm.edu) by cielo.eece.unm.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #4) id 13ylCC-0004Pf-00; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:29:04 -0700 Received: (from dbader@localhost) by eece.unm.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id SAA04711; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:29:00 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:29:00 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011230129.SAA04711@eece.unm.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: jalapeno.eece.unm.edu: dbader set sender to dbader@eece.unm.edu using -f From: "David A. Bader" To: dillon@earth.backplane.com Cc: apina@infolink.com.br, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <200011230047.eAN0lw616834@earth.backplane.com> (message from Matt Dillon on Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:47:58 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: make world on 4.2-R breaking References: <3a1bf238.253.0@infolink.com.br> <200011221531.IAA02767@eece.unm.edu> <200011230047.eAN0lw616834@earth.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've done it three times now, all three die in exactly the same place.... Trying #4 now. -david > Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:47:58 -0800 (PST) > From: Matt Dillon > Cc: apina@infolink.com.br, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > X-SpamBouncer: 1.2 beta (5/15/00) > X-SBPass: No Freemail Filtering > X-SBClass: OK > X-Sorted: Default > > If you buildworld again, does it die in exactly the same place? If > you do it a third time, does it die in exactly the same place? > > If it's dying in different places then it is almost certainly a > memory problem. If it's dying in the same place then it could be > a compiler bug or a cpu issue (with the compiler bug being more > likely). > > -Matt > -- David A. Bader, Ph.D. Office: 505-277-6724 Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering FAX: 505-277-1439 EECE Building University of New Mexico dbader@eece.unm.edu Albuquerque, NM 87131 http://www.eece.unm.edu/~dbader To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 17:54: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.bna.bellsouth.net (mail1.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2335C37B4CF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:53:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from planetwe.com (adsl-63-164-15.bna.bellsouth.net [208.63.164.15]) by mail1.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id UAA24852 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:53:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A1C7B20.9020808@planetwe.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:04:16 -0600 From: Drew Sanford User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001107 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: 4.2 RELEASE - Install hangs during boot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a system (brand new, clean, never previously had anything installed on it) on which 4.2 hangs during the boot sequence when I try to install. The system is : Asus A7V MB Matrox G400 dual head IBM 45GB ATA100 Deskstar as primary master on the Promise ATA100 controler CD rom drive as primary slave on the Primary IDE port CPU: Duron 800 256 MB PC133 ram SB Live Netgear FA310TX rev D2 The ATA100 controller is detected, the hang point is always with the last line as: plip0: on ppbus0 I will continue to poke and prod and see if I can figure this out. If anyone has a solution, please let me know. -- Drew Sanford Systems Administrator drew@planetwe.com http://www.planetwe.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 18:10:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hurlame.pdl.cs.cmu.edu (HURLAME.PDL.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.189.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059EE37B4CF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:10:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from magus@localhost) by hurlame.pdl.cs.cmu.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAN29ke61464; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:09:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from magus) To: Zero Sum Cc: "Antonio Carlos Pina" , Subject: Re: make world on 4.2-R breaking References: <79634.974920896@winston.osd.bsdi.com> <000701c054cb$fbd10e10$0b6cffc8@infolink.com.br> <00112310152803.05065@shalimar.net.au> From: Nat Lanza Date: 22 Nov 2000 21:09:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: Zero Sum's message of "Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:15:28 +1100" Message-ID: Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Channel Islands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Zero Sum writes: > Fromm errno.h... > > #define EINTR 4 /* Interrupted system call */ > > I believe that FreeBSD does not permit interupts during system calls. Incorrect. errno numbers and signal numbers have nothing to do with each other. errno.h tells you what the return codes from system calls and library functions mean. You want sys/signal.h instead, which would tell you that signal 4 is SIGILL, which is caused by an illegal instruction. This is almost certainly a hardware problem. --nat -- nat lanza --------------------- research programmer, parallel data lab, cmu scs magus@cs.cmu.edu -------------------------------- http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~magus/ there are no whole truths; all truths are half-truths -- alfred north whitehead To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 18:35:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3185437B4CF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:35:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA05113; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:35:22 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-71.max1.wa.cyberlynk.net(207.227.118.71) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma005111; Wed Nov 22 20:35:19 2000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20001122201959.00cadd40@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:34:49 -0600 To: Drew Sanford From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: 4.2 RELEASE - Install hangs during boot Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3A1C7B20.9020808@planetwe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 08:04 PM 11/22/00 -0600, Drew Sanford wrote: >I have a system (brand new, clean, never previously had anything installed >on it) on which 4.2 hangs during the boot sequence when I try to install. >The system is : > >Asus A7V MB >Matrox G400 dual head >IBM 45GB ATA100 Deskstar as primary master on the Promise ATA100 controler >CD rom drive as primary slave on the Primary IDE port >CPU: Duron 800 >256 MB PC133 ram >SB Live >Netgear FA310TX rev D2 > >The ATA100 controller is detected, the hang point is always with the last >line as: > >plip0: on ppbus0 Right where the drives should show up. >I will continue to poke and prod and see if I can figure this out. If >anyone has a solution, please let me know. Try installing from the ATA-66 port. That I know works. Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 18:50:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shalimar.net.au (shalimar.net.au [198.142.161.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DAA37B4CF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:49:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from shalimar.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shalimar.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eAN2n7N06730; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:49:07 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from count@shalimar.net.au) From: Zero Sum Organization: Tobacco Chewers and Body Painters Association. Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:49:07 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: To: "Antonio Carlos Pina" , "Matt Dillon" References: <3a1bf238.253.0@infolink.com.br> <200011230047.eAN0lw616834@earth.backplane.com> <004e01c054eb$00683150$0b6cffc8@infolink.com.br> In-Reply-To: <004e01c054eb$00683150$0b6cffc8@infolink.com.br> Subject: Re: make world on 4.2-R breaking MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0011231349070H.05065@shalimar.net.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday 23 November 2000 12:16, Antonio Carlos Pina wrote: > Hello Matt, thanks for your response. Hello All. > > Well, I got this FreeBSD installed thru Internet (FTP Installation). Since I > couldn't assure that everything went RIGHT and a lot of people told me it > DOES work, I downloaded the iso, burned a CD and installed it again, 20 > minutes ago. > > Now, I've chosen "medium security" rather than "high security" (the one I > selected before, just for fun), and right now I'm building world just fine. > > I believe it could be a bad CC1 (or one of his components). I don't believe > it could be anything related to "security profile", but since it's a > difference from the first try ... ;-) > Oh, yeah? Well just don't try a kernel install with the security level set to 2. Took me a while to realise that the chflgs wasn't goint to work in that tate. Should have looked at UPDATING more closely. Geoff -- count@shalimar.net.au Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 19: 4:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.bna.bellsouth.net (mail1.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7110437B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from planetwe.com (adsl-63-164-15.bna.bellsouth.net [208.63.164.15]) by mail1.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id WAA26180; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:04:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A1C8BA3.6080003@planetwe.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:14:43 -0600 From: Drew Sanford User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001107 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.2 RELEASE - Install hangs during boot References: <4.3.2.20001122201959.00cadd40@207.227.119.2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Assuming this works as you say it will, can I switch back to the ATA100 port and expect it to work after the install? Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > At 08:04 PM 11/22/00 -0600, Drew Sanford wrote: > >> I have a system (brand new, clean, never previously had anything >> installed on it) on which 4.2 hangs during the boot sequence when I >> try to install. The system is : >> >> Asus A7V MB >> Matrox G400 dual head >> IBM 45GB ATA100 Deskstar as primary master on the Promise ATA100 >> controler >> CD rom drive as primary slave on the Primary IDE port >> CPU: Duron 800 >> 256 MB PC133 ram >> SB Live >> Netgear FA310TX rev D2 >> >> The ATA100 controller is detected, the hang point is always with the >> last line as: >> >> plip0: on ppbus0 > > > Right where the drives should show up. > >> I will continue to poke and prod and see if I can figure this out. If >> anyone has a solution, please let me know. > > > Try installing from the ATA-66 port. That I know works. > > > Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net > Systems/Network Administrator > FreeBSD - the power to serve > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Drew Sanford Systems Administrator drew@planetwe.com http://www.planetwe.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 19:12: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail0.bna.bellsouth.net (mail0.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79BD837B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:12:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from planetwe.com (adsl-63-164-15.bna.bellsouth.net [208.63.164.15]) by mail0.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id WAA28345; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:12:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A1C8D6D.3040107@planetwe.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:22:21 -0600 From: Drew Sanford User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001107 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.2 RELEASE - Install hangs during boot References: <4.3.2.20001122201959.00cadd40@207.227.119.2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > > > Right where the drives should show up. > >> I will continue to poke and prod and see if I can figure this out. If >> anyone has a solution, please let me know. > > > Try installing from the ATA-66 port. That I know works. > This did not work. I've also noticed that my 4.1-RELEASE cd, which last night booted all the way into the install before complaining about not being able to find any disks, is stopping in the same place. The box has been sitting on the floor unplugged and closed up since last night. Color me confused. -- Drew Sanford Systems Administrator drew@planetwe.com http://www.planetwe.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 19:30: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail0.bna.bellsouth.net (mail0.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 802A437B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:29:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from planetwe.com (adsl-63-164-15.bna.bellsouth.net [208.63.164.15]) by mail0.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id WAA19558; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:29:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A1C919E.4070302@planetwe.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:40:14 -0600 From: Drew Sanford User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001107 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.2 RELEASE - Install hangs during boot References: <4.3.2.20001122201959.00cadd40@207.227.119.2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am now watching an install (4.2) happen. The ATA100 drive is hooked up to the Promise controler, here's what I did: Disabled the parallel port. Once I did that, it told me it couldn't find the parallel port, then spit out non-identities for ata1-4, then went smoothly into the install. I hope I can turn the parallel port back on once everything is installed.... Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > At 08:04 PM 11/22/00 -0600, Drew Sanford wrote: > >> I have a system (brand new, clean, never previously had anything >> installed on it) on which 4.2 hangs during the boot sequence when I >> try to install. The system is : >> >> Asus A7V MB >> Matrox G400 dual head >> IBM 45GB ATA100 Deskstar as primary master on the Promise ATA100 >> controler >> CD rom drive as primary slave on the Primary IDE port >> CPU: Duron 800 >> 256 MB PC133 ram >> SB Live >> Netgear FA310TX rev D2 >> >> The ATA100 controller is detected, the hang point is always with the >> last line as: >> >> plip0: on ppbus0 > > > Right where the drives should show up. > >> I will continue to poke and prod and see if I can figure this out. If >> anyone has a solution, please let me know. > > > Try installing from the ATA-66 port. That I know works. > > > Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net > Systems/Network Administrator > FreeBSD - the power to serve -- Drew Sanford Systems Administrator drew@planetwe.com http://www.planetwe.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 20:36:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gatekeeper.veriohosting.com (gatekeeper.veriohosting.com [192.41.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97AC37B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:36:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by gatekeeper.veriohosting.com; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:36:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown(192.168.1.7) by gatekeeper.veriohosting.com via smap (V3.1.1) id xma020095; Wed, 22 Nov 00 21:36:17 -0700 Received: from vespa.orem.iserver.com (vespa.orem.iserver.com [192.168.1.144]) by orca.orem.veriohosting.com [Verio Web Hosting, Inc. 801.437.0200] (8.8.8) id VAA18716; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:36:16 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:54:57 -0700 (MST) From: Fred Clift X-Sender: fred@vespa.orem.iserver.com To: Warner Losh Cc: Brandon Fosdick , Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Roelof Osinga Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated In-Reply-To: <200011192210.eAJMAWG03651@billy-club.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > spec. FreeBSD is lying to the BIOS with the MBR that we put onto the > disk, and that causes problems. > Of course, the mbr can be fixed with a quick application of fdisk. The problem boils down to wether an fdisk partition is allowd to contain the sector that has the MBR in it. You can have 'not quite as dangerously' (my words, no this isn't a third way to install) dedicated mode by putting boot1 on the disk and fixing the partition table on it to be correct. Theoretically, you still might find a pc-bios that is trying to be smart and demonstrates it's failings by getting confused over the mbr being included in an fdisk partition. Other than that, there really isn't much difference, from a bios point of view between dedicated-with-fixed-fdisk table and 'regular' installs... As an aside, I think that there is probably still a strong desire on many people's part to have dedicated installs. Most of them are only to serve some notion of what is 'neat' or 'correct' or 'proper'. This is enough reason, in my mind, to not go out of the way to make it not work, as seems to be the sentiment lately. If some new development were to significantly increase functionality, at the expense of hosing dedicated installs, then it might be worth getting rid of dedicated installs. But, if it's just to cut down on the number of questions about it, I wouldn't think it justified. Now that there exist tools to easily automate installs in non-dedicated mode, we'll be switching our systems over to non-dedicated mode... The lack of these tools has been the hitch for more than just me, judging by the email I've recieved about it... So, perhaps somthing in the handbook after where says 'dangeroulsy dedicated' isn't the way to go unless you know you need it.... that reads 'use fdisk -foo and then disklabel -bar' to get a proper install that will work with most any hardware.... without having to do it interactively in sysinstall (yes, I know that you can script sysinstall). At any rate, this has been discussed A LOT recently. Any speculation on why it has come up so much recently compared to the not-to-distant past? Fred -- Fred Clift - fclift@verio.net -- Remember: If brute force doesn't work, you're just not using enough. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 20:46:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c1870039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D014837B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:46:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA32125 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 05:46:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3A1CA13C.903A24D3@eboa.com> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 05:46:52 +0100 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 4.2 Bummer Light (tm): Linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I don't know quite how to bring this gently. So I'll just tell it as I saw it: I was installing the released 4.2 when it became to decide whether or not to install Linux. I declined the offer, not wanting to overdo things. Next morning there was the question about ports. Again I declined. This seemed to somewhat upset the system since it responded with "a signal 11 was caught...". Mind you, all was installed and the Linux was even check in the /stand/sysinstall menu! So now I'm wondering whether or not it was indeed installed. Does anybody know how to check this? Or how to enforce a (re)new(ed) install? Mind you, I haven't been using Linux in a couple of years. So be gentle . Roelof -- Da Dog http://cairni.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 20:51:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gatekeeper.veriohosting.com (gatekeeper.veriohosting.com [192.41.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB9D37B4C5; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:51:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by gatekeeper.veriohosting.com; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:50:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown(192.168.1.7) by gatekeeper.veriohosting.com via smap (V3.1.1) id xma021245; Wed, 22 Nov 00 21:50:06 -0700 Received: from vespa.orem.iserver.com (vespa.orem.iserver.com [192.168.1.144]) by orca.orem.veriohosting.com [Verio Web Hosting, Inc. 801.437.0200] (8.8.8) id VAA19891; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:50:06 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:08:48 -0700 (MST) From: Fred Clift X-Sender: fred@vespa.orem.iserver.com To: John Baldwin Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , roelof@eboa.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca, bfoz@glue.umd.edu, imp@village.org Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > and you don't have problems with the geometry of the drive and the MBR being > out of sync. Our bogus MBR in boot1 that is used by dangerously dedicated mode > breaks this though, resulting in machines whose BIOS get a divide by zero fault > when they try to read from the disk. Another thing that can be fixed with 30 seconds of fdisk. It seems that MOST of the problems with incompatability that people experience lately (ie with 'new' hardware) are due to the bogus, but easily fixable values in boot1 that get put on the mbr. Does anyone have hardware that cant run in dedicated mode, which has had a valid fdisk table put in it? I'm sure there is some box out there like it but I bet they are very uncommon, and getting less common. Fred -- Fred Clift - fclift@verio.net -- Remember: If brute force doesn't work, you're just not using enough. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 20:56:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gatekeeper.veriohosting.com (gatekeeper.veriohosting.com [192.41.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4597537B479; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by gatekeeper.veriohosting.com; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:56:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown(192.168.1.7) by gatekeeper.veriohosting.com via smap (V3.1.1) id xma021813; Wed, 22 Nov 00 21:56:30 -0700 Received: from vespa.orem.iserver.com (vespa.orem.iserver.com [192.168.1.144]) by orca.orem.veriohosting.com [Verio Web Hosting, Inc. 801.437.0200] (8.8.8) id VAA20458; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:56:30 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:15:11 -0700 (MST) From: Fred Clift X-Sender: fred@vespa.orem.iserver.com To: "Chad R. Larson" Cc: Roman Shterenzon , msmith@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dangerously Dedicated In-Reply-To: <200011210417.VAA07691@freeway.dcfinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Simple solution? Don't use DD. > > Slightly less simple? Don't use DD on drives that are in any way > involved with the boot process, but go ahead on data-only drives. heh -- intel's LB440GX+ motherboards with recent bioses wont boot if _any_ drive in the system has 0xAA55 on the end of the sector 0, but then not valid information on the disk -- ie take any disk in the box - including non-boot disks and dd boot1 onto sector 0. The box will now no longer boot untill you remove the disk. Fortunately, PXE booting still works and you can remotely recover from problems like this if you have it set up... :) Now thats what I call and improved bios. ugh. Fred -- Fred Clift - fclift@verio.net -- Remember: If brute force doesn't work, you're just not using enough. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 21: 1:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gatekeeper.veriohosting.com (gatekeeper.veriohosting.com [192.41.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CEBF37B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:01:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by gatekeeper.veriohosting.com; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:01:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown(192.168.1.7) by gatekeeper.veriohosting.com via smap (V3.1.1) id xma022372; Wed, 22 Nov 00 22:01:07 -0700 Received: from vespa.orem.iserver.com (vespa.orem.iserver.com [192.168.1.144]) by orca.orem.veriohosting.com [Verio Web Hosting, Inc. 801.437.0200] (8.8.8) id WAA20905; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:01:07 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:19:48 -0700 (MST) From: Fred Clift X-Sender: fred@vespa.orem.iserver.com To: Siegbert Baude Cc: chad@DCFinc.com, Roman Shterenzon , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IA64booting was:Re: Dangerously Dedicated In-Reply-To: <004001c05398$7fdb8080$4011a8c0@wohnheim.uniulm.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > For the IA64 no dd will work at all, as a valid MBR is a strict requirement. When I first heard this I about threw up. It makes me sick. And a fat32 partition is required for booting too. blech. As a co-worker is fond of saying, 'All the problems with the pc-architecture can be traced back one way or another to weird bios and bios-compatability problems...' The ONE good thing about the Itanic :) and it's booting specification is that there _IS_ a specification, that specfies exactly what to do. Thus, perhaps there will be a bit more uniformity in hardware design. Fred -- Fred Clift - fclift@verio.net -- Remember: If brute force doesn't work, you're just not using enough. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 21:11:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c1870039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5971E37B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:11:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA32213 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:11:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3A1CA6FF.5D88A3F2@eboa.com> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:11:27 +0100 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ports suggestion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I oopsed. I seem to have given a 'make install' in the ../ports/www directory. During all this installation activity a number of popups passed across the screen. Interactive popups. Even so it took quite a while for me to figure out what had happened. I mean, this is a new box so a couple of popups is ok. And with the recurse and all, anything can happen. It was not until the Java Beans SDK was reported missing that I smelled something rotten in the state of Denmark. So this brings me to my small suggestion. Why not make it so that a simple Yes/No query will be asked (INTERACTIVE) in every non leaf directory? Questions will be asked anyway, so what does one (or several) more matter? Not having that question does. Believe you me . Roelof To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 21:14:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gatekeeper.veriohosting.com (gatekeeper.veriohosting.com [192.41.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7ACC37B4D7 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:14:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by gatekeeper.veriohosting.com; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:14:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown(192.168.1.7) by gatekeeper.veriohosting.com via smap (V3.1.1) id xma023404; Wed, 22 Nov 00 22:14:27 -0700 Received: from vespa.orem.iserver.com (vespa.orem.iserver.com [192.168.1.144]) by orca.orem.veriohosting.com [Verio Web Hosting, Inc. 801.437.0200] (8.8.8) id WAA22123; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:14:25 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:33:07 -0700 (MST) From: Fred Clift X-Sender: fred@vespa.orem.iserver.com To: "Daniel O'Connor" Cc: Greg Lehey , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Sam Zamarripa , Warner Losh Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Why is DD ever _needed_? mostly, for purely aesthetic reasons. On the other hand, when you have source code to your os, why should you do things in ugly ways? half the reason any non-for-pay code gets written is to satisfy someone's desire for neatness, purity, etc... To lots of people this is the 'right way'. This is why I do a lot of the 'recreational' development that I do. Oh, and perhaps we want to support other architectures besides the broken one that seesm to require this ugly kludge some times... Fred -- Fred Clift - fclift@verio.net -- Remember: If brute force doesn't work, you're just not using enough. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 21:17:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gatekeeper.veriohosting.com (gatekeeper.veriohosting.com [192.41.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956B737B4D7 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:17:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by gatekeeper.veriohosting.com; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:17:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown(192.168.1.7) by gatekeeper.veriohosting.com via smap (V3.1.1) id xma023568; Wed, 22 Nov 00 22:17:16 -0700 Received: from vespa.orem.iserver.com (vespa.orem.iserver.com [192.168.1.144]) by orca.orem.veriohosting.com [Verio Web Hosting, Inc. 801.437.0200] (8.8.8) id WAA22386; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:17:16 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:35:58 -0700 (MST) From: Fred Clift X-Sender: fred@vespa.orem.iserver.com To: "Daniel O'Connor" Cc: Greg Lehey , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Sam Zamarripa , Warner Losh Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > They _are_ necessary with certain BIOSen. Not many if we just fixed the bogus fdisk table in boot1, though there probably still are some... > > At least remove the option from sysinstall so new users don't get > stuck with it. With this I agree. Or at least hide it somewhat and have it nag you alot about it. Guiding new users into the path of least pain is _way_ _way_ different than removing functionality. Fred -- Fred Clift - fclift@verio.net -- Remember: If brute force doesn't work, you're just not using enough. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 21:19:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sbtx.tmn.ru (sbtx.tmn.ru [212.76.160.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C9D37B4CF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:19:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from sv.tech.sibitex.tmn.ru (sv.tech.sibitex.tmn.ru [212.76.160.59]) by sbtx.tmn.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17447; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:19:08 +0500 (ES) Received: (from serg@localhost) by sv.tech.sibitex.tmn.ru (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAN5J8108829; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:19:08 +0500 (YEKT) (envelope-from serg) From: "Sergey N. Voronkov" Message-Id: <200011230519.eAN5J8108829@sv.tech.sibitex.tmn.ru> Subject: Re: 4.2 RELEASE - Install hangs during boot In-Reply-To: <3A1C919E.4070302@planetwe.com> "from Drew Sanford at Nov 22, 2000 09:40:14 pm" To: Drew Sanford Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:19:08 +0500 (YEKT) Cc: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I am now watching an install (4.2) happen. The ATA100 drive is hooked up > to the Promise controler, here's what I did: Disabled the parallel port. > Once I did that, it told me it couldn't find the parallel port, then > spit out non-identities for ata1-4, then went smoothly into the install. > I hope I can turn the parallel port back on once everything is installed.... 1) Check it's IRQ/io-addr before turning it back on! 2) Check for mesconfigured kernel configuration - hardware conflicts are not resolved. 3) Different hardware on your system use LPT's resources (which are configured in GENERIC)? Best Wishes, Serg N. Voronkov. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 21:21:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c1870039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA8237B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:21:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA32264 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:21:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3A1CA948.C6B26D15@eboa.com> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:21:12 +0100 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.2 Bummer Light (tm): Linux / ports suggestion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Roelof Osinga wrote: > > I don't know quite how to bring this gently. So I'll just tell > it as I saw it: > ... > Does anybody know how to check this? Or how to enforce a (re)new(ed) > install? Never mind, found one. Seems that installing the lynx-current port recurses through, amongs others, it. This of course also means an addendum to my 'ports suggestion' that such a recursion should't mean prompting again. If, at least, it still is possible to do a make install in a non-leaf directory. Roelof To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 21:24:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gatekeeper.veriohosting.com (gatekeeper.veriohosting.com [192.41.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3D437B4C5; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:24:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by gatekeeper.veriohosting.com; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:24:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown(192.168.1.7) by gatekeeper.veriohosting.com via smap (V3.1.1) id xma024044; Wed, 22 Nov 00 22:24:14 -0700 Received: from vespa.orem.iserver.com (vespa.orem.iserver.com [192.168.1.144]) by orca.orem.veriohosting.com [Verio Web Hosting, Inc. 801.437.0200] (8.8.8) id WAA22998; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:24:14 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:42:56 -0700 (MST) From: Fred Clift X-Sender: fred@vespa.orem.iserver.com To: Mike Smith Cc: Greg Lehey , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-Reply-To: <200011200955.eAK9tiF11715@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The ability to create disks which do not have a valid slice table will go > away. End of story. Ah -- but if you can extend 'valid' to include a partition that contains the mbr, then dedicated installs are fine, as long as we fix the bogus data in the boot1/mbr Fred -- Fred Clift - fclift@verio.net -- Remember: If brute force doesn't work, you're just not using enough. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 21:26:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wilson.acpub.duke.edu (wilson.acpub.duke.edu [152.3.233.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E038637B4CF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:26:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from bobzilla.adsl.duke.edu (bobzilla.adsl.duke.edu [152.16.67.15]) by wilson.acpub.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Duke-5.0.0) with ESMTP id AAA17212; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:26:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from sto@localhost) by bobzilla.adsl.duke.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAN5QU311650 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:26:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sto) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:26:30 -0500 From: "Sean O'Connell" To: FreeBSD stable Subject: Re: 4.2-RELEASE + SCSI device unable to mount file system Message-ID: <20001123002630.B11598@stat.Duke.EDU> Reply-To: "Sean O'Connell" Mail-Followup-To: Sean O'Connell , FreeBSD stable Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Organization: House of Schmutzli X-Kitties: Bitty Maya CJ Keisha Jacob Hopey X-Hound: Bob X-OS-of-Choice: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Frederic Nguyen stated: : What should I do then? How to remove that badsector table so that system : may boot properly? : : > da0: bad sector table not supported : > > da0s1: bad sector table not supported : > : >Why do you have a badsector table on a SCSI disk?? bad144 was canned quite : >some time ago, I think that might be causing this. Badsect tables are for : >old ESDI etc drives. Never been for SCSI I think it is a simply a disklabel flag. There was a thread about this a while back. I vaguely remember that simply doing disklabel -e da0s1 and removing the badsect (or whatever) from the line flags: might fix it. This is not first hand, so no promises! S -- 1--------01---------01--------01--------01--------01--------01--------0 Sean O'Connell sean@stat.Duke.EDU To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 21:27:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lafontaine.cybercable.fr (lafontaine.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C8F7637B4CF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:27:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11277774 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2000 05:27:34 -0000 Received: from s011.dhcp212-229.cybercable.fr (HELO gits.dyndns.org) ([212.198.229.11]) (envelope-sender ) by lafontaine.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Nov 2000 05:27:34 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by gits.dyndns.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAN5RWH22029; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:27:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from clefevre@cybercable.fr) Original-Sender: Cyrille Lefevre Original-Sender: Cyrille Lefevre To: Warner Losh Cc: Kenneth W Cochran , Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removal of Disklabel References: <200011212157.QAA21696@world.std.com> <200011220121.SAA39083@harmony.village.org> X-Face: V|+c;4!|B?E%BE^{E6);aI.[<97Zd*>^#%Y5Cxv;%Y[PT-LW3;A:fRrJ8+^k"e7@+30g0YD0*^^3jgyShN7o?a]C la*Zv'5NA,=963bM%J^o]C In-Reply-To: Warner Losh's message of "Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:21:38 -0700" From: Cyrille Lefevre Reply-To: Cyrille Lefevre Mail-Copies-To: never Date: 23 Nov 2000 06:27:30 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 31 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Channel Islands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Warner Losh writes: > In message <200011212157.QAA21696@world.std.com> Kenneth W Cochran writes: > : 1. I find BSD fdisk complex & unwieldy. I like the fdisk > : tools in Slackware Linux, specifically fdisk & cfdisk; > : Slackware's fdisk works enough like that in M$, SCO & > : Interactive (remember that? :) to be Reasonably > : Familiar. So, when I need to lay-out a hdd, I usually > : use the Slackware tools, but also PartitionMagic, > : depending on What I'm Trying To Do. Then I change the > : type indicator for BSD. Maybe some kind of "port" of > : Slackware's fdisk/cfdisk might be in order? somewhere on my hard disk, I've "ported" the Linux fdisk to FreeBSD. it seems to works, but less powerfull than the Freebsd one. try to change the size of a partition w/o deleting it before. you're dead. FreeBSD fdisk can do this, while sysinstall can't :( while this port is "finished" in a simple way. I'm extending it, as well as the FreeBSD one, so they share the same partition name reference table. which is not the case, right now. > I have a partial port of OpenBSD's fdisk, and it is much, much nicer. > I also have a partial port of disklabel -E, but both of these have > rotted so much they don't even compile any more. well, I've just installed OpenBSD on a Tadpole (for fun :) and disklabel -E seems to be as near as the Linux fdisk in the spirit, no ? Cyrille. -- home: mailto:clefevre@citeweb.net work: mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre@edf.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 21:44:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pilikia.net (pilikia.net [12.36.98.183]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9CE37B4CF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:44:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from gecko (gecko [192.168.0.3]) by pilikia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00454 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:44:21 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from art@pilikia.net) Message-ID: <200011221944230040.296F5965@pilikia.net> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.10.03.02 (3) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:44:23 -1000 Reply-To: art@pilikia.net From: "Arthur W. Neilson III" To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: lint Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm looking for lint libraries on my 4.2-RELEASE system. /usr/libdata/lint= appears to be empty. How do I generate the *.ln libraries or does no one use lint= anymore? -- __ / ) _/_ It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. /--/ __ / Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, / (_/ (_<__ Instead of theories to suit facts. -- Sherlock Holmes, "A Scandal in Bohemia" Arthur W. Neilson III, WH7N - FISTS #7448 Bank of Hawaii Tech Support http://www.pilikia.net art@pilikia.net, aneilson@boh.com, wh7n@arrl.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 21:46:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lafontaine.cybercable.fr (lafontaine.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9CF6F37B4CF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:46:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11337168 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2000 05:46:45 -0000 Received: from s011.dhcp212-229.cybercable.fr (HELO gits.dyndns.org) ([212.198.229.11]) (envelope-sender ) by lafontaine.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Nov 2000 05:46:45 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by gits.dyndns.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAN5kiF22061; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:46:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from clefevre@cybercable.fr) Original-Sender: Cyrille Lefevre Original-Sender: Cyrille Lefevre To: apina@infolink.com.br Cc: "David A. Bader" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world on 4.2-R breaking References: <3a1bf238.253.0@infolink.com.br> X-Face: V|+c;4!|B?E%BE^{E6);aI.[<97Zd*>^#%Y5Cxv;%Y[PT-LW3;A:fRrJ8+^k"e7@+30g0YD0*^^3jgyShN7o?a]C la*Zv'5NA,=963bM%J^o]C In-Reply-To: "Antonio Carlos Pina"'s message of "Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:20:08 est" From: Cyrille Lefevre Reply-To: Cyrille Lefevre Mail-Copies-To: never Date: 23 Nov 2000 06:46:43 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 15 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Channel Islands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Antonio Carlos Pina" writes: > David, I have a little program (I don't recall who wrote it, sorry) > that tests memory, stressing it. I can tell that it hangs a bad > machine (cpu or bus or memory) in 2 or 3 minutes. It fits in a floppy > and it is a DOS program. If you want a copy, I can send it to you. also, there is : http://reality.sgi.com/~cbrady_denver/memtest86/ ^ not sure about the ~. Cyrille. -- home: mailto:clefevre@citeweb.net work: mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre@edf.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 21:53: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from camus.cybercable.fr (camus.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BF50437B4CF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:53:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7881687 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2000 05:43:34 -0000 Received: from s011.dhcp212-229.cybercable.fr (HELO gits.dyndns.org) ([212.198.229.11]) (envelope-sender ) by camus.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Nov 2000 05:43:34 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by gits.dyndns.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAN5hY422048; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:43:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from clefevre@cybercable.fr) Original-Sender: Cyrille Lefevre Original-Sender: Cyrille Lefevre To: opentrax@email.com Cc: msmith@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) References: <200011212237.OAA00557@spammie.svbug.com> X-Face: V|+c;4!|B?E%BE^{E6);aI.[<97Zd*>^#%Y5Cxv;%Y[PT-LW3;A:fRrJ8+^k"e7@+30g0YD0*^^3jgyShN7o?a]C la*Zv'5NA,=963bM%J^o]C In-Reply-To: opentrax@email.com's message of "Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:37:34 -0800 (PST)" From: Cyrille Lefevre Reply-To: Cyrille Lefevre Mail-Copies-To: never Date: 23 Nov 2000 06:43:33 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Channel Islands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG opentrax@email.com writes: > Has it occured to you that perhaps there are people that really, really > want DD? can someone remember me the problem w/ DD ? I guess that DD a drive is not a problem if done w/in the state of the art (or something like that). - what about to fdisk the destination drive w/ the same following values, Supply a decimal value for "sysid (165=FreeBSD)" [165] 165 Supply a decimal value for "start" [63] 0 Supply a decimal value for "size" [6506262] to make sure that the partition table is "clean" since fdisk recalculates the good parameters for begin/end CHS. - backup this label using dd. - dd your drive - restore the backuped label - disklabel -B to reinstall boot1 which don't override the partition table. well, I don't have tested anything since I don't have any free drive to burn, but the spirit is here, no ? Cyrille. -- home: mailto:clefevre@citeweb.net work: mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre@edf.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 22:20:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (mail1.rdc3.on.home.com [24.2.9.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 589AC37B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:20:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.com ([24.112.60.175]) by mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001123062047.SNRT1673.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@home.com> for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:20:47 -0800 Message-ID: <3A1CB80E.137C90F6@home.com> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:24:14 -0500 From: Mark Sturge X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: "timeout" Errors Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7FFBE9AE801306DFA94CC59F" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7FFBE9AE801306DFA94CC59F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently installed 4.1.1-RELEASE. Then I installed some apps just to get the system functional and soon after cvsup'd to 4.2-STABLE and built my custom kernel. After doing so, I started to notice that I would get alot of "timeout" errors when trying to fetch ports or connect to irc and mirabillis servers. In an attempt to troubleshoot the problem, I first booted the system from kernel.GENERIC. At this point my problems went away. That lead me to believe that my custom kernel was flawed. I recompiled without any type of firewall support, (ie. IPFILTER) but that didn't solve the problem either. On a hunch, I thought I'd recompile the GENERIC kernel with 4.2-STABLE source. I figured if 4.1.1-RELEASE GENERIC kernel wasn't giving me any problems, GENERIC from 4.2-STABLE wouldn't either. I was wrong. I'm still running into the same problems. The one thing I did include in my kernel was Berkley Packet Filter, so I could nmap myself. After doing so, namp tells me my ports are 'filtered'. This is leaving me a bit baffled. Is ipfw the culprit? It is in the base system, but I don't know how it could be functional if I don't even have support for IPFILTER as of yet in my custom kernel. nmap results using simple port scan: The TCP connect scan took 170 seconds to scan 1523 ports. All 1523 scanned ports on MY_HOST_NAME (MY_IP_ADDRESS) are: filtered Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 171 seconds I've also attached my most recent kernel config file if that may help. Some advice as to where to look next would indeed be helpful. Regards, Mark -- Mark Sturge techie-guy@home.com London, ON Canada --------------7FFBE9AE801306DFA94CC59F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="MEZZAMORPHIS" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="MEZZAMORPHIS" # /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/MEZZAMORPHIS machine i386 cpu I586_CPU ident MEZZAMORPHIS maxusers 64 options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options SOFTUPDATES #Enable FFS soft updates support options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options CD9660 #ISO 9660 Filesystem options CD9660_ROOT #CD-ROM usable as root, CD9660 required options PROCFS #Process filesystem options COMPAT_43 #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] #options SCSI_DELAY=15000 #Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor options KTRACE #ktrace(1) support options P1003_1B #Posix P1003_1B real-time extensions options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING options _KPOSIX_VERSION=199309L options ICMP_BANDLIM #Rate limit bad replies #options IPFILTER #ipfilter support #options IPFILTER_LOG #ipfilter logging options IPSEC #IP security (OpenSSL) options IPSEC_ESP #IP security (crypto; define w/IPSEC) options PQ_HUGECACHE #Color for 1024k/16k cache options PANIC_REBOOT_WAIT_TIME=60 options DDB #Enable the kernel debugger options DDB_UNATTENDED #Don't drop too DBB for a panic options PMAP_SHPGPERPROC=400 options MAXCONS=16 #Maximum number of virtual terminals options MAXDSIZ=(128*1024*1024) options DFLDSIZ=(128*1024*1024) options AUTO_EOI_1 options TCP_DROP_SYNFIN # slot architecture support device isa device pci # floppy drives device fdc0 at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2 device fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata0 at isa? port IO_WD1 irq 14 device ata1 at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15 device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives options ATA_STATIC_ID # Static device numbering options ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA # Enable DMA on ATAPI devices # SCSI peripherals (parallel port Zip Drive) device scbus # SCSI bus (required) device da # Direct Access (disks) # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1 device vga0 at isa? # splash screen/screen saver pseudo-device splash # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? flags 0x100 # Floating point support - do not disable. device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 # Power management support (see LINT for more options) device apm0 at nexus? disable flags 0x20 # Advanced Power Management # Serial (COM) ports device sio0 at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4 device sio1 at isa? port IO_COM2 flags 0x10 irq 3 # Parallel port device ppc0 at isa? irq 7 device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) device lpt # Printer device ppi # Parallel port interface device device vpo # Requires scbus and da # PCI Ethernet NIC device de # DEC/Intel DC21x4x (``Tulip'') # Creative Labs AWE64 Soundblaster device pcm device sbc device joy # Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocated. pseudo-device loop # Network loopback pseudo-device ether # Ethernet support pseudo-device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) pseudo-device bpf # Berkeley packet filter pseudo-device speaker # Keep XFree86 4.x happy options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores --------------7FFBE9AE801306DFA94CC59F-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 22:24:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from iclub.nsu.ru (iclub.nsu.ru [193.124.222.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D8837B4CF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:24:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (fjoe@localhost) by iclub.nsu.ru (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAN6Mjw13783; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:23:02 +0600 (NS) (envelope-from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:22:44 +0600 (NS) From: Max Khon To: Chris Knight Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Hmm..passwords. In-Reply-To: <002f01c054d2$86ec6ac0$020aa8c0@aims.private> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, there! On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, Chris Knight wrote: > > NODESCRYPTLINKS was always intended as a temporary workaround. The > > solution is to use passwd_format=des in your default login class. > > > It's a solution for login. It's not a solution for any application that > dynamically links to libcrypt, and then expects the hash algorithm to remain > the same - which is a fair assumption to make. I'm exceptionally happy with > NODESCRYPTLINKS, so my opinion is to leave it alone. from this point of view default format should always be 'des' with passwd_format=md5 in /etc/login.conf (most applications expect crypt to be des-crypt) /fjoe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 22:47: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from light.imasy.or.jp (light.imasy.or.jp [202.227.24.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2F337B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:47:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by light.imasy.or.jp (8.11.0+3.3W/3.7W-light) with UUCP id eAN6kX228898; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:46:33 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from ume@mahoroba.org) Received: from localhost (IDENT:w514ESHDg1h9OqTWZb3eH1Ex3Fu0UQNJokDvUZaddVdtG9nxnqQqAUF9UVOMSJlL@peace.mahoroba.org [2001:200:301:0:200:f8ff:fe05:3eae]) by mail.mahoroba.org (8.11.1/8.11.1/chaos) with ESMTP/inet6 id eAN6inn04002; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:44:49 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from ume@mahoroba.org) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:44:49 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20001123.154449.07561341.ume@mahoroba.org> To: chainess@worldnet.net Cc: wkb@freebie.demon.nl, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.2-RELEASE + SCSI device unable to mount file system From: Hajimu UMEMOTO In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001122235723.022443b0@pop.worldnet.net> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001122225500.021fddc0@pop.worldnet.net> <20001122232057.G2163@freebie.demon.nl> <5.0.0.25.2.20001122235723.022443b0@pop.worldnet.net> X-Mailer: xcite1.20> Mew version 1.95b38 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 =?iso-2022-jp?B?KBskQjJWMWMbKEIp?= X-PGP-Public-Key: http://www.imasy.org/~ume/publickey.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 0C 53 FC 5D D0 37 91 05 D0 B3 EF 36 9B 6A BC X-URL: http://www.imasy.org/~ume/ X-OS: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:59:00 +0100 >>>>> Frederic Nguyen said: chainess> What should I do then? How to remove that badsector table so that system chainess> may boot properly? chainess> > da0: bad sector table not supported > > da0s1: bad sector table not supported > >Why do you have a badsector table on a SCSI disk?? bad144 was canned quite >some time ago, I think that might be causing this. Badsect tables are for >old ESDI etc drives. Never been for SCSI Edit your disklabel by disklabel -e and delete badsect flag from flags: line. -- Hajimu UMEMOTO @ Internet Mutual Aid Society Yokohama, Japan ume@mahoroba.org ume@bisd.hitachi.co.jp ume@{,jp.}FreeBSD.org http://www.imasy.org/~ume/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Nov 22 23: 9:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from light.imasy.or.jp (light.imasy.or.jp [202.227.24.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A6137B4D7 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:09:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by light.imasy.or.jp (8.11.0+3.3W/3.7W-light) with UUCP id eAN79PZ02636; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:09:25 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from ume@mahoroba.org) Received: from localhost (IDENT:O9FribE8h+589PmNu56MPt4Tg30ocjdaqAri+wuiBX1hYfLEuanrAsL8PQzD6GbE@peace.mahoroba.org [3ffe:505:2:0:200:f8ff:fe05:3eae]) by mail.mahoroba.org (8.11.1/8.11.1/chaos) with ESMTP/inet6 id eAN77xn04088; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:08:00 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from ume@mahoroba.org) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:07:59 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20001123.160759.92504821.ume@mahoroba.org> To: hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp Cc: thk@actis.de, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3.5->4.2: perl buildworld error From: Hajimu UMEMOTO In-Reply-To: <200011221334.WAA22593@eos.ocn.ne.jp> References: <20001122135946.A88793@isi.actis.de> <200011221311.eAMDBOe12936@plum.ssr.bisd.hitachi.co.jp> <200011221334.WAA22593@eos.ocn.ne.jp> X-Mailer: xcite1.20> Mew version 1.95b38 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 =?iso-2022-jp?B?KBskQjJWMWMbKEIp?= X-PGP-Public-Key: http://www.imasy.org/~ume/publickey.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 0C 53 FC 5D D0 37 91 05 D0 B3 EF 36 9B 6A BC X-URL: http://www.imasy.org/~ume/ X-OS: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>> Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:33:10 +0900, Hiroki Sato said: hrs> Thorsten Kuehnemann wrote hrs> in <20001122135946.A88793@isi.actis.de>: > pp_hot.o(.text+0x16a1): undefined reference to `setresuid' > pp_hot.o(.text+0x16d4): undefined reference to `setresgid' hrs> I think this is FAQ, see: hrs> http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?db=mid&id=20000803152232.A74889@engelschall.com hrs> # Also, it has been reported in Japanese hrs> # at http://home.jp.FreeBSD.org/cgi-bin/showmail/FreeBSD-users-jp/56361 Thanks. I succeed to upgrade my box. Though I built kernel 1st and did buildworld on 4.2-RELEASE's kernel, after all it was end with core dump during building Perl. So, NOPERL helped me. Before upgrading, I refered UPDATING. However, it didn't mention about this. I think this topic should go to UPDATING. 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To remove your Email from the mailing list please send: jennifer@nottern.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 0:20:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nevermind.kiev.ua (unknown [212.109.53.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C69937B479 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:20:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from never@localhost) by nevermind.kiev.ua (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAN8JAG02934; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:19:10 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from never) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:19:10 +0200 From: Nevermind To: David Kelly Cc: apina@infolink.com.br, "David A. Bader" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world on 4.2-R breaking Message-ID: <20001123101910.A1019@nevermind.kiev.ua> References: <200011230041.eAN0fHS03658@grumpy.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011230041.eAN0fHS03658@grumpy.dyndns.org>; from dkelly@hiwaay.net on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 06:41:17PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, David Kelly! On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 06:41:17PM -0600, you wrote: > "Antonio Carlos Pina" writes: > > David, I have a little program (I don't recall who wrote it, sorry) > > that tests memory, stressing it. I can tell that it hangs a bad > > machine (cpu or bus or memory) in 2 or 3 minutes. It fits in a floppy > > and it is a DOS program. If you want a copy, I can send it to you. > > Yeah. But. Remember a memory test program can not prove memory is good. > It can only prove memory is bad. And then only if it happens to be very > bad. Memory can and does fail when certian sequences of events happen. > The trick is to reproduce that sequence. There is a program called testmem.com (for DOS, sure) which tests memory very good. I know, here is not much DOS-lovers, but it is the only program I found which gives true results. It is so small that it can be loaded into L1 cache so, no RAM access occurs during memory test except by this prog. -- Alexandr P. Kovalenko http://nevermind.kiev.ua/ NEVE-RIPE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 1:35:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wop21.wop.wtb.tue.nl (wop21.wop.wtb.tue.nl [131.155.56.216]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07E237B4C5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:35:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from karelj@localhost) by wop21.wop.wtb.tue.nl (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAN9Zh303299; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:35:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from karelj) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:34:43 +0100 From: "Karel J. Bosschaart" To: Roelof Osinga Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.2 Bummer Light (tm): Linux Message-ID: <20001123103443.A3275@wop21.wop.wtb.tue.nl> Reply-To: K.J.Bosschaart@wtb.tue.nl References: <3A1CA13C.903A24D3@eboa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3A1CA13C.903A24D3@eboa.com>; from roelof@eboa.com on Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 05:46:52AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 05:46:52AM +0100, Roelof Osinga wrote: > I don't know quite how to bring this gently. So I'll just tell > it as I saw it: > > I was installing the released 4.2 when it became to decide whether > or not to install Linux. I declined the offer, not wanting to overdo > things. Next morning there was the question about ports. Again I > declined. This seemed to somewhat upset the system since it > responded with "a signal 11 was caught...". > Hm, signal 11 are often signs of bad hardware. > Mind you, all was installed and the Linux was even check in the > /stand/sysinstall menu! So now I'm wondering whether or not it > was indeed installed. Type 'kldstat' and see if linux.ko is listed. Type 'ls /var/db/pkg' and see if linux_base-6.1 is listed as a directory there. If both can be answered with yes, linux mode is enabled and should be working on your machine. Have a look at '/etc/rc.conf' and if you see 'linux_enable="YES"' as one of the lines, linux compat mode will be enabled immediately after booting. Karel. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 2:56:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from apoq.skynet.be (apoq.skynet.be [195.238.2.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EDE737B479 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 02:56:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by apoq.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00EFA9957; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:56:14 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001119151418.K52433@echunga.lemis.com> References: <20001119151418.K52433@echunga.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:56:53 +0100 To: Greg Lehey From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: rawio 1.1 on FreeBSD 4.2-BETA? Cc: FreeBSD Stable Users Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 3:14 PM +1030 2000/11/19, Greg Lehey wrote: > There is a PR. I'm not sure under what circumstances it fails. This > is, in fact, a bug in the port, not in rawio: it's in files/patch-ac. > It should work fine if you delete this patch and then make clean and > rebuild. I tried deleting patch-ac, then did a "make distclean", followed by a "make". Unfortunately, it still dies: make >> rawio-1.1.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/. >> Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/. Receiving rawio-1.1.tar.gz (191472 bytes): 100% 191472 bytes transferred in 59.4 seconds (3.15 kBps) ===> Extracting for rawio-1.1 >> Checksum OK for rawio-1.1.tar.gz. ===> Patching for rawio-1.1 ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for rawio-1.1 ===> Configuring for rawio-1.1 ===> Building for rawio-1.1 cc -O -pipe -g mkrandom.c -o mkrandom mkrandom.c:57: random.h: No such file or directory *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/benchmarks/rawio/work. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/benchmarks/rawio. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/benchmarks/rawio. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/benchmarks/rawio. Do you have any other suggestions as to what I could do? Thanks! -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 3: 3:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nevermind.kiev.ua (unknown [212.109.53.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A04237B4CF for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 03:03:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from never@localhost) by nevermind.kiev.ua (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eANB3Bk71744 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:03:12 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from never) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:03:10 +0200 From: Nevermind To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Building ISO image Message-ID: <20001123130309.B1019@nevermind.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! How can I build ISO image for current -STABLE source tree? Do I need any additional files? -- Alexandr P. Kovalenko http://nevermind.kiev.ua/ NEVE-RIPE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 3:17:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4483037B4E5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 03:17:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA42117; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 03:16:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eANBGvw62306; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 03:16:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 03:16:56 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Cyrille Lefevre Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001123031656.A61355@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200011212237.OAA00557@spammie.svbug.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from clefevre@cybercable.fr on Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 06:43:33AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 06:43:33AM +0100, Cyrille Lefevre wrote: > can someone remember me the problem w/ DD ? Geez, we've just had a 30 message thread that stated many times the problem with dang.ded. drives. > well, I don't have tested anything since I don't have any free drive to burn, > but the spirit is here, no ? Use a vn(4) device as your "disk". You can then try things to your hearts content. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 3:48:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from citadel.cequrux.com (citadel.cequrux.com [192.96.22.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098AE37B4C5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 03:48:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by citadel.cequrux.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) id NAA00756 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:48:03 +0200 (SAST) Received: by citadel.cequrux.com via recvmail id 644; Thu Nov 23 13:47:18 2000 Message-ID: <3A1CEB55.2BD9EC33@cequrux.com> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:03:01 +0200 From: Graham Wheeler Organization: Cequrux Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: pccard woes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all I've got a weird one (although no doubt I'm just doing something dumb). I have a Compaq Presario 1700 laptop, with a 3Com OfficeConnect PCMCIA card (3c572). I have two HDDs. The one is an 18Gb drive that used to live in a different laptop. It contains FreeBSD 4-S, last cvsupped about three months ago. If I use this drive, the PCMCIA card is detected and works. The other drive is a 10Gb drive that has FreeBSD 4-S cvsupped a few days back. The kernel config file is identical to the older one, and so is the pccard.conf file. The relevant device should be "ep". With this drive installed, the network card doesn't work. If I run pccardd with -d and -v options, I see: Read returns -1 bytes (expected 2) pccardd: CIS code read: Device not configured Read returns -1 bytes (expected 10) No card in database for "(null)"("(null)") The weird thing is that this used to work - that was how I did the cvsup the other day. The problem isn't hardware; the same card in the same laptop works fine if I boot MS-Windows. I must be missing something; what is it?? thanks gram To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 3:56: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C48537B4CF for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 03:56:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 23 Nov 2000 11:56:05 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:56:04 +0000 From: David Malone To: "Arthur W. Neilson III" Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lint Message-ID: <20001123115604.A38054@walton.maths.tcd.ie> References: <200011221944230040.296F5965@pilikia.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011221944230040.296F5965@pilikia.net>; from art@pilikia.net on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 07:44:23PM -1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 07:44:23PM -1000, Arthur W. Neilson III wrote: > I'm looking for lint libraries on my 4.2-RELEASE system. /usr/libdata/lint appears > to be empty. How do I generate the *.ln libraries or does no one use lint anymore? Unfortunately the stuff for building lint libraries has been disabeled for a while - I keep meaning to get it going again, but haven't had a chance. David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 4:21:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ams1.aignet.ro (ams1.aignet.ro [194.176.168.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58DC37B4CF for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 04:21:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from aignet.ro (mgmt.aignet.ro [194.176.168.4]) by ams1.aignet.ro (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eANDLDX19318 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:21:14 +0200 Message-ID: <3A1D0BB7.91BC175C@aignet.ro> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:21:11 +0200 From: Mihai Claudiu Capatina X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Please help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I am new ro FreeBSD and I have a problem installing altq. This is what I did : I just installed FreeBSD 4.2 from a cd with 4.2-install.iso image on it, downloaded altq-2.2, followed their instructions ( INSTALL file ) and when I do "config ALTQ" i get "Unknown option ALTQ".... Can somebody please help me.....somebody who already installed ALTQ..... Best Regards, Mick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 4:42:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4D337B4CF for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 04:42:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA06724; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:42:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-76.max1.wa.cyberlynk.net(207.227.118.76) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma006722; Thu Nov 23 06:42:08 2000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20001123053141.00b5c580@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:41:36 -0600 To: Drew Sanford From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: 4.2 RELEASE - Install hangs during boot Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3A1C8D6D.3040107@planetwe.com> References: <4.3.2.20001122201959.00cadd40@207.227.119.2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 09:22 PM 11/22/00 -0600, Drew Sanford wrote: >This did not work. I've also noticed that my 4.1-RELEASE cd, which last >night booted all the way into the install before complaining about not >being able to find any disks, is stopping in the same place. The box has >been sitting on the floor unplugged and closed up since last night. Color >me confused. Please wrap your lines at 70 characters. The plot thickens.... Did you change any BIOS settings since 4.1R booted? When it boots pause it at the PCI device listing. Looking for an IRQ conflict. Do you have a PS/2 mouse on this system as well? I turned on the IDE controllers (VIA 686 and Promise), turned the parallel port back on, and attached a drive to the Primary ATA-100 port. There is a conflict here with IRQ10 being held by the Promise and one of the 3Ware cards I have installed, but it does not hang and probes fairly quickly. When the drive (IBM DTLA-307015) is removed, it takes a long time to probe. Could add another drive on the primary, but that would have to wait. The only thing I can suggest is to turn off the secondary on-board IDE. Won't free an IRQ, but might stop the hang (no need to probe if it isn't in use). If that doesn't work, then try pulling either the SB or NIC out. One thing I did notice is the onboard IDE listing: Nov 22 07:00:57 local4 /kernel: atapci0: at device 4.1 on pci0 Nov 22 07:00:57 local4 /kernel: atapci0: Busmastering DMA not supported Huh? Doesn't matter with the 3Ware cards, but that caught my eye. I did enable DMA at one point before the 3Ware cards came in. Should nothing work, the only suggestion would be not bother with the ATA-100 ports, especially with only one drive. There is no gain to be had (at least until a drive comes out that can saturate an ATA-66 port), but an IRQ is used. At least your hang wasn't in the BIOS. Did that when setting up the first 3Ware card. No boot and when in the BIOS setup changing to the "Boot" window would seize up the machine. Loading the defaults worked around it and I can't duplicate it. Weird. Only complaint otherwise is the lack of ECC support with the KT133 chipset. Hope VIA doesn't turn that into a trend. 8-/ Back to sleep and dream of turkey. Have a good thanksgiving! Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 4:48:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833D937B4C5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 04:48:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA06738; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:48:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-76.max1.wa.cyberlynk.net(207.227.118.76) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma006736; Thu Nov 23 06:47:55 2000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20001123064412.00d1bea0@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:47:23 -0600 To: Cyrille Lefevre , apina@infolink.com.br From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: make world on 4.2-R breaking Cc: "David A. Bader" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <"Antonio Carlos Pina"'s message of "Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:20:08 est"> <3a1bf238.253.0@infolink.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 06:46 AM 11/23/00 +0100, Cyrille Lefevre wrote: >"Antonio Carlos Pina" writes: > > > David, I have a little program (I don't recall who wrote it, sorry) > > that tests memory, stressing it. I can tell that it hangs a bad > > machine (cpu or bus or memory) in 2 or 3 minutes. It fits in a floppy > > and it is a DOS program. If you want a copy, I can send it to you. > >also, there is : > >http://reality.sgi.com/~cbrady_denver/memtest86/ > ^ not sure about the ~. ports/sysutils/memtest Any utility may or may not reveal a memory flaw, but this one did help me. YMMV Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 6:12: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mimoza.marun.edu.tr (mimoza.marun.edu.tr [193.140.143.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB9137B4C5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:11:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from crescent (crescent.marun.edu.tr [193.140.143.26]) by mimoza.marun.edu.tr with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id XGP9X0Y4; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:15:03 +0200 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:12:35 +0200 From: Huseyin YUCE X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.47 Halloween Edition) Educational Reply-To: Huseyin YUCE Organization: Marmara University X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <5630759800.20001123161235@marun.edu.tr> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD 4.2 and syslog mess. /kernel: arp: IP_ADDRESS is on fxp0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have version FreeBSD 4.2, Interface fxp0,xl0 have real IP address and connected to Internet. $ Ifconfig -a fxp0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet xxx.xxx.xxx.xx netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast xx.xxx.xxx.255 ether 00:e0:18:01:89:92 media: autoselect (100baseTX) status: active supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP xl0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet xxx.xxx.xxx.xx netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast xxx.xxx.xxx.255 ether 00:60:08:6a:25:4a media: autoselect (100baseTX) status: active supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP I have the following messages in the syslog and console turkuaz# Nov 23 17:49:53 turkuaz /kernel: arp: xxx.xxx.xxx.x is on fxp0 but got reply from 00:e0:b0:5a:8b:92 on xl0 Nov 23 17:50:14 turkuaz last message repeated 3 times Nov 23 17:50:14 turkuaz last message repeated 4 times What is happening? What I do not right? Help me please. Best regards, -- .... Huseyin e-mail:hyuce@marun.edu.tr 16:03:16 23.11.2000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 6:18:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 37B2937B4C5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:18:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from gosset.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 23 Nov 2000 14:18:40 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:18:39 +0000 From: David Malone To: Huseyin YUCE Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2 and syslog mess. /kernel: arp: IP_ADDRESS is on fxp0 Message-ID: <20001123141839.A41028@gosset.maths.tcd.ie> References: <5630759800.20001123161235@marun.edu.tr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5630759800.20001123161235@marun.edu.tr>; from hyuce@marun.edu.tr on Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 04:12:35PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 04:12:35PM +0200, Huseyin YUCE wrote: > turkuaz# Nov 23 17:49:53 turkuaz /kernel: arp: xxx.xxx.xxx.x is on fxp0 > but got reply from 00:e0:b0:5a:8b:92 on xl0 > Nov 23 17:50:14 turkuaz last message repeated 3 times > Nov 23 17:50:14 turkuaz last message repeated 4 times > > What is happening? What I do not right? Help me please. This means that there is a machine which, according to the netmask and address you have given to fxp0, should be connected to fxp0. However, it got an arp reply from that machine on xl0, which shouldn't have happened. David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 6:23:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hse-toronto-ppp119263.sympatico.ca (HSE-Toronto-ppp261201.sympatico.ca [64.230.30.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7AE7E37B479 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:23:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 86317 invoked by uid 0); 23 Nov 2000 14:27:25 -0000 Received: from nat.inquent.com (216.6.14.45) by hse-toronto-ppp261201.sympatico.ca with SMTP; 23 Nov 2000 14:27:25 -0000 Received: from inquent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nat.inquent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367D544D for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:22:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A1D2833.9B9EC200@inquent.com> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:22:43 -0500 From: Rod Taylor Organization: InQuent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2 and syslog mess. /kernel: arp: IP_ADDRESS is on fxp0 References: <5630759800.20001123161235@marun.edu.tr> <20001123141839.A41028@gosset.maths.tcd.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Malone wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 04:12:35PM +0200, Huseyin YUCE wrote: > > > turkuaz# Nov 23 17:49:53 turkuaz /kernel: arp: xxx.xxx.xxx.x is on fxp0 > > but got reply from 00:e0:b0:5a:8b:92 on xl0 > > Nov 23 17:50:14 turkuaz last message repeated 3 times > > Nov 23 17:50:14 turkuaz last message repeated 4 times > > > > What is happening? What I do not right? Help me please. > > This means that there is a machine which, according to the netmask > and address you have given to fxp0, should be connected to fxp0. > However, it got an arp reply from that machine on xl0, which > shouldn't have happened. I'm having a similar problem. 2 network cards in each of 3 machines. 3 connections to VLAN 2, 3 connections to VLAN 2. The ports are not common. For some reason (I'm assumming it's a misconfigured VLAN) no traffic is allowed to flow over VLAN 2 and the arp replies from vlan2 requests are being returned through vlan1. Am I just dumbfounded or do I need a second switch? -- Rod Taylor -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 7: 2:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mimoza.marun.edu.tr (mimoza.marun.edu.tr [193.140.143.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1445937B4CF for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:02:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from crescent (crescent.marun.edu.tr [193.140.143.26]) by mimoza.marun.edu.tr with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id XGP9X09A; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:05:25 +0200 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:02:52 +0200 From: Huseyin YUCE X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.47 Halloween Edition) Educational Reply-To: Huseyin YUCE Organization: Marmara University X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <11333776978.20001123170252@marun.edu.tr> To: David Malone Subject: Re[2]: FreeBSD 4.2 and syslog mess. /kernel: arp: IP_ADDRESS is on fxp0 In-reply-To: <20001123141839.A41028@gosset.maths.tcd.ie> References: <5630759800.20001123161235@marun.edu.tr> <20001123141839.A41028@gosset.maths.tcd.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi David, I don't understand . Can you tell me more.. Thursday, November 23, 2000, 4:18:39 PM, you wrote: DM> On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 04:12:35PM +0200, Huseyin YUCE wrote: >> turkuaz# Nov 23 17:49:53 turkuaz /kernel: arp: xxx.xxx.xxx.x is on fxp0 >> but got reply from 00:e0:b0:5a:8b:92 on xl0 >> Nov 23 17:50:14 turkuaz last message repeated 3 times >> Nov 23 17:50:14 turkuaz last message repeated 4 times >> >> What is happening? What I do not right? Help me please. DM> This means that there is a machine which, according to the netmask DM> and address you have given to fxp0, should be connected to fxp0. DM> However, it got an arp reply from that machine on xl0, which DM> shouldn't have happened. DM> David. --- Huseyin e-mail:hyuce@marun.edu.tr 16:47:11 23.11.2000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 7: 5:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (mg134-015.ricochet.net [204.179.134.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B4237B479 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:05:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02188; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:05:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200011231505.HAA02188@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:04:59 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: What about MFC? (Was: Re: HEADS UP! MFC's) To: jeff-ml@mountin.net Cc: DougB@gorean.org, dws@denverweb.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.20001028123119.00dcccf0@207.227.119.2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 28 Oct, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > At 10:37 PM 10/27/00 -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >>opentrax@email.com wrote: >> > >> > Yes, but it looks like the thought police are also on my heals. >> > =-) >> > >> > On 27 Oct, blaine wrote: >> > > He only needed a 3 word answer. Merged From Current. >> >> I think you're both missing a valid point. If no one ever teaches >>mailing list etiquette, no one ever learns it. The reminder was given in >>a friendly tone, and provided the resources for you to examine at your >>leisure. Learning to take friendly hints will get you far in life. > > Was tempted to point this out and couldn't help but recall (one of) Mike > Smith's old signatures: > > \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ > \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ > \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ > > Hopefully the latter part doesn't apply. ;) > > I'm amazed. As the original poster of "What is MFC?". To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 7:20:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from numeri.campus.luth.se (numeri.campus.luth.se [130.240.197.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94E637B479 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:20:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from numeri.campus.luth.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by numeri.campus.luth.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29023; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:24:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from k@numeri.campus.luth.se) Message-Id: <200011231524.QAA29023@numeri.campus.luth.se> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: opentrax@email.com Cc: jeff-ml@mountin.net, DougB@gorean.org, dws@denverweb.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What about MFC? (Was: Re: HEADS UP! MFC's) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:04:59 PST." <200011231505.HAA02188@spammie.svbug.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:24:30 +0100 From: Johan Karlsson Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi See the FAQ http://www.FreeBSD.org/FAQ/FAQ.html specially the misc questions. /Johan K At Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:04:59 PST, opentrax@email.com wrote: > > > On 28 Oct, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > > At 10:37 PM 10/27/00 -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > >>opentrax@email.com wrote: > >> > > >> > Yes, but it looks like the thought police are also on my heals. > >> > =-) > >> > > >> > On 27 Oct, blaine wrote: > >> > > He only needed a 3 word answer. Merged From Current. > >> > >> I think you're both missing a valid point. If no one ever teaches > >>mailing list etiquette, no one ever learns it. The reminder was given in > >>a friendly tone, and provided the resources for you to examine at your > >>leisure. Learning to take friendly hints will get you far in life. > > > > Was tempted to point this out and couldn't help but recall (one of) Mike > > Smith's old signatures: > > > > \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ > > \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ > > \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ > > > > Hopefully the latter part doesn't apply. ;) > > > > > I'm amazed. As the original poster of "What is MFC?". > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 7:25:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ct.home.com [24.2.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5504137B4D7 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:25:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from powerusersbbs.com ([24.2.168.159]) by mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001123152542.SOW6565.mail.rdc1.ct.home.com@powerusersbbs.com> for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:25:42 -0800 Message-ID: <3A1D36C7.F5A9938B@powerusersbbs.com> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:24:56 -0500 From: Ted Sikora Organization: Jtl Development Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18pre18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-US, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: arplookup error under DHCP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I get an arplookup error for 127.0.0.1 and cannot access apache(http) on the server itself using DHCP. Under static routing it's fine. (4.1.1-STABLE and 4.2-STABLE) -- Ted Sikora Jtl Development Group tsikora@powerusersbbs.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 7:53:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-x1.miway.com (unknown [202.185.206.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F82237B479 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:53:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13517 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2000 16:00:46 -0000 Received: from uranus.miway.com (HELO webcraft99.com) (192.168.10.15) by mail.miway.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2000 16:00:46 -0000 Message-ID: <3A1D3DA5.DC30647A@webcraft99.com> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:54:13 +0800 From: Feisal Umar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Networking Errors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've upgraded my host from 4.1.1 to 4.2 yesterday. I've went through the obligatory make buildworld make buildkernel KERNEL=XXXX make installkernel KERNEL=XXXX [reboot] make installworld mergemaster -a -d Everything seems to work fine; am able to "fetchmail" my emails, etc. However, the host is running SQUID2.3, and there was an error. From the logs, the error seems to "no able to connect to 127.0.0.1:8080" Further checks, like "ping 127.0.0.1" or "ping localhost", resulted in "no route to host". ifconfig -a registers the existence of "lo" though. I am stumped. All the other interfaces seems to be working OK (tun0 and ed0). Why am I having problem with the localhost interface? Since then, I've tried to re-make world, and replaced the relevant rc.* files, but the problem persists. Thanks in advance To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 7:57:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nevermind.kiev.ua (unknown [212.109.53.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F021137B4CF for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:57:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from never@localhost) by nevermind.kiev.ua (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eANFvHV13453; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:57:17 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from never) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:57:16 +0200 From: Nevermind To: Feisal Umar Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Networking Errors Message-ID: <20001123175716.A13407@nevermind.kiev.ua> References: <3A1D3DA5.DC30647A@webcraft99.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A1D3DA5.DC30647A@webcraft99.com>; from afu@webcraft99.com on Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 11:54:13PM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Feisal Umar! On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 11:54:13PM +0800, you wrote: > I've upgraded my host from 4.1.1 to 4.2 yesterday. > I've went through the obligatory > make buildworld > make buildkernel KERNEL=XXXX > make installkernel KERNEL=XXXX > [reboot] > make installworld > mergemaster -a -d > > Everything seems to work fine; am able to "fetchmail" my emails, etc. > However, the host is running SQUID2.3, and there was an error. From the > logs, the error seems to "no able to connect to 127.0.0.1:8080" > > Further checks, like "ping 127.0.0.1" or "ping localhost", resulted in > "no route to host". ifconfig -a registers the existence of "lo" though. > > I am stumped. All the other interfaces seems to be working OK (tun0 and > ed0). Why am I having problem with the localhost interface? Maybe there is a problem with your routing table? Give, please an output of netstat -rn > Since then, I've tried to re-make world, and replaced the relevant rc.* > files, but the problem persists. > > Thanks in advance -- Alexandr P. Kovalenko http://nevermind.kiev.ua/ NEVE-RIPE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 8: 8:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (mg134-015.ricochet.net [204.179.134.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C95D37B4D7; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:08:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02277; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:08:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200011231608.IAA02277@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:08:15 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) To: tlambert@primenet.com Cc: jhb@FreeBSD.ORG, msmith@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200011222253.PAA06600@usr05.primenet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry, your comments have been posted to: http://www.freebsd.org/projects/platform_issues/ddvsbios/index.html This URL is made freely available. Authors wishing to add comments are encourage to read the 'Restrictions for Inclusion' (the first paragraph). Authors do NOT have to email me for inclusion with regards to this issue, 1) if posted on 'stable' or 'arch' (I will add other ML later) 2) if posting contains 'Dedicated disks' or 'Dangreously Dedicated' in the subject line 3) if posting contains [SVBUG add me to ddvsbios] as the first line of the message (nothing else,please), and 4) if it has bullets (or points) with a for/against header. Points do not have to be balanced or neutral. Bias points are expected. Points do not have to be technical in nature, but must be at least technical in basis. Please note this is experimental and is subject to errors, arguments and unhappiness. Should this prove of some worth, this system could help relieve issues having been 'discussed in excruciating details'. Hence forth this system will be called 'Turkey Discussion' in honour of today. :-) best regards, Jessem. webmaster@svbug.com On 22 Nov, Terry Lambert wrote: > [ ... on the impending death of "Dangerously Dedicated" ... ] > >> > The only problem is that the issues _have_ been discussed in excruciating >> > detail many times. I suggest you make use of the mail archives. >> >> Mr. Smith, if the issues have been hashed out as you say, the perhaps >> a document can be pointed that outlines these issue clearly. >> Your suggestion, while a fine one, has un-seen harm of people >> associating (harsh) discussion on the matter, rather than seeing >> the bluk of the matter. I've stated my opinion, that does not >> lessen yours. Could I expect that you might be able outline >> yours points in an enumerate list or bulletize format? > > For: > > o In "Dangerously Dedicated" mode, some laptops will SPAM > your FreeBSD partition when told to "suspend to disk" > > o You can not easily add another OS to an existing system, > without a full backup and restore > > o Commerical boot managers have problems with it; this is > an issue when you have FreeBSD on one "Dangerously > Dedicated" disk, and anohter OS on a second disk > > o Commercial partition manipulation tools can not move > disk contents around opaquely; this would still be a > problem for OSs which hard code their kernel location > in their second stage boot (does NetBSD still do this?), > but would not be a problem for FreeBSD. Example: the > program "fips" can move Linux parititons around; the > commercvial program "Partition Magic" from Power Quest > supports Linux, but does not support FreeBSD (they go > so far as to actually support EXT2FS manipulation). > > o An increasing number of BIOS will divide by 0 when they > are attempting to implement LBA addressing. These > systems simply _can not boot_, given FreeBSD's fake DOS > partition table in its disklabel > > o The FreeBSD fake DOS partition table does not pass a > number BIOS-based self-consistency checks (it needs to > be fixed -- feel free to bell the cat), and so systems > which use these checks in the BIOS to protect against > boot sector virus infestation _can not boot_. > > > Against: > > o Some fictitious geometries are fictionalized in the > controller, and are opaque through one interface, but > not another. The only way these can work is if the > linear array of bytes starts at 0,0,0. Example: WD1007 > ESDI controller, without jumper J2 set. These systems > can be set up using non-default tools (in point of fact, > I have _always_ had to use NetBSD's tools to setup these > systems: FreeBSD's tools have _never_ worked for them, > even in "Dangerously Dedicated" mode; after partitioning > using NetBSD, FreeBSD can be isntalled normally). > > o Existing "Dangerously Dedicated" systems. This is really > not an issue, since what is being removed is the ability > to create them with the default tools, not the ability to > boot from existing systems after an upgrade. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 8: 9:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hk.sina.com.hk (unknown [202.85.139.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9878037B4CF for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:09:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19221 invoked by uid 99); 23 Nov 2000 16:10:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20001123161054.19220.qmail@hk.sina.com.hk> X-Mailer: SinaMail 3.0Beta (FireToad) From: shizuka00 To: Blaz Zupan , shizuka00 , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Re: WaveLAN PCI problem Date: Fri Nov 24 00:10:54 CST 2000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In this case, I have to dump either my motherboard or the adaptor because my motherboard is an ASUS CUSL2 which has no ISA slot. I may have some spare time next month, is there any doc detailed how to complete the emulation code? Thanks. > I have a Lucent WaveLAN wireless lan card that come with a PCI PCMCIA >> adapter and it works fine on W98SE and RH 7.0. However, today when I tried >> it on FBSD 4.2-stable, it hang when probing pnp device. I also tried to >> change BIOS setting as PnP OS = yes, then it worked fine until pccardd >> recognized the card and loaded the driver. The system then hang and >> Ctrl-Alt-Del didn't work unless I pressed the reset button. Please refer >> to the enclosed message file when I booted with "boot -v" option. > >You are currently out of luck. The problem is in the pccard code, which only >supports the cardbus bridge in pccard emulation mode. This works on laptops >because the laptop BIOS initializes some neccesary things to make it work, but >it fails on desktop machines. Your only solution right now is to use a ISA >PCMCIA adapter instead of the PCI one. That works just fine (I have nearly 100 >installations like that). > >Blaz Zupan, Medinet d.o.o, Linhartova 21, 2000 Maribor, Slovenia >E-mail: blaz@amis.net, Tel: +386-2-320-6320, Fax: +386-2-320-6325 > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message =================================================================== ·sźö§K¶Očq€l¶lœc http://sinamail.sina.com.hk „ߧY€Užü SinaTicker http://sinaticker.sina.com.hk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 8: 9:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hk.sina.com.hk (unknown [202.85.139.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BFF8837B4D7 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:09:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19221 invoked by uid 99); 23 Nov 2000 16:10:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20001123161054.19220.qmail@hk.sina.com.hk> X-Mailer: SinaMail 3.0Beta (FireToad) From: shizuka00 To: Blaz Zupan , shizuka00 , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Re: WaveLAN PCI problem Date: Fri Nov 24 00:10:54 CST 2000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In this case, I have to dump either my motherboard or the adaptor because my motherboard is an ASUS CUSL2 which has no ISA slot. I may have some spare time next month, is there any doc detailed how to complete the emulation code? Thanks. > I have a Lucent WaveLAN wireless lan card that come with a PCI PCMCIA >> adapter and it works fine on W98SE and RH 7.0. However, today when I tried >> it on FBSD 4.2-stable, it hang when probing pnp device. I also tried to >> change BIOS setting as PnP OS = yes, then it worked fine until pccardd >> recognized the card and loaded the driver. The system then hang and >> Ctrl-Alt-Del didn't work unless I pressed the reset button. Please refer >> to the enclosed message file when I booted with "boot -v" option. > >You are currently out of luck. The problem is in the pccard code, which only >supports the cardbus bridge in pccard emulation mode. This works on laptops >because the laptop BIOS initializes some neccesary things to make it work, but >it fails on desktop machines. Your only solution right now is to use a ISA >PCMCIA adapter instead of the PCI one. That works just fine (I have nearly 100 >installations like that). > >Blaz Zupan, Medinet d.o.o, Linhartova 21, 2000 Maribor, Slovenia >E-mail: blaz@amis.net, Tel: +386-2-320-6320, Fax: +386-2-320-6325 > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message =================================================================== ·sźö§K¶Očq€l¶lœc http://sinamail.sina.com.hk „ߧY€Užü SinaTicker http://sinaticker.sina.com.hk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 8:12:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from piranha.amis.net (piranha.amis.net [212.18.32.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3DA137B4C5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:12:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from titanic.medinet.si (titanic.medinet.si [212.18.32.66]) by piranha.amis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B635D0D; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:12:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:12:26 +0100 (CET) From: Blaz Zupan X-Sender: blaz@titanic.medinet.si To: shizuka00 Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Re: WaveLAN PCI problem In-Reply-To: <20001123161054.19220.qmail@hk.sina.com.hk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In this case, I have to dump either my motherboard or the adaptor because > my motherboard is an ASUS CUSL2 which has no ISA slot. I may have some > spare time next month, is there any doc detailed how to complete the > emulation code? Talk to Warner Losh (imp@freebsd.org), he's working on the new cardbus code in -current. Also, take a look at the source already commited to -current. Blaz Zupan, Medinet d.o.o, Linhartova 21, 2000 Maribor, Slovenia E-mail: blaz@amis.net, Tel: +386-2-320-6320, Fax: +386-2-320-6325 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 8:15:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from piranha.amis.net (piranha.amis.net [212.18.32.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA5B37B4C5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:15:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from titanic.medinet.si (titanic.medinet.si [212.18.32.66]) by piranha.amis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA3A5D0C; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:15:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:15:37 +0100 (CET) From: Blaz Zupan X-Sender: blaz@titanic.medinet.si To: shizuka00 Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Re: WaveLAN PCI problem In-Reply-To: <20001123161054.19220.qmail@hk.sina.com.hk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In this case, I have to dump either my motherboard or the adaptor because my motherboard is an ASUS CUSL2 which has no ISA slot. I may have some spare time next month, is there any doc detailed how to complete the emulation code? Almost forgot, you may also want to ask over on the freebsd-mobile mailing list. Blaz Zupan, Medinet d.o.o, Linhartova 21, 2000 Maribor, Slovenia E-mail: blaz@amis.net, Tel: +386-2-320-6320, Fax: +386-2-320-6325 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 8:35:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (www.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [212.111.192.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BAF537B4C5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from abaddon.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (unknown [10.100.8.9]) by relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25AC2FAF2 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:35:24 +0200 (EET) Received: from abaddon.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (abaddon.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.255.100.9]) by abaddon.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eANIUHY28268 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:30:26 GMT (envelope-from michael@abaddon.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:30:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ata0 problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello I have problems in FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE Nov 23 09:49:53 lucky /kernel: ata0: resetting devices .. done Nov 23 09:50:44 lucky /kernel: ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting regards, Michael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 9: 6:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gatekeeper.veriohosting.com (gatekeeper.veriohosting.com [192.41.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F7C37B4D7 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by gatekeeper.veriohosting.com; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:06:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown(192.168.1.7) by gatekeeper.veriohosting.com via smap (V3.1.1) id xma010793; Thu, 23 Nov 00 10:05:44 -0700 Received: from vespa.orem.iserver.com (vespa.orem.iserver.com [192.168.1.144]) by orca.orem.veriohosting.com [Verio Web Hosting, Inc. 801.437.0200] (8.8.8) id KAA90704; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:05:44 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:24:28 -0700 (MST) From: Fred Clift X-Sender: fred@vespa.orem.iserver.com To: opentrax@email.com Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-Reply-To: <200011231608.IAA02277@spammie.svbug.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The url provided doesn't exist, and perhaps this doesn't need to be included in any eventual comments, but some of the problems mentioned are basically due to active opposition to any support for dedicated mode. Replacing the 'bogus' boot1 partition table with valid values (keeping in mind that including the mbr in an fdisk slice _may_ still be bogus) that just include your whole disk and have reasonable values for gemoetry as calculated will remove a lot of the problems people typically discuss > > your FreeBSD partition when told to "suspend to disk" Of course the documentition, or techsupport or the manufacturer will tell you that you have to have a magic file on a fat32 filesystem somewhere. This isn't so much a problem with dedicateds as it is with not knowing the hardware you are running on. If a machine supports suspend to disk, you _will_ have to somehow reserve space for it to suspend into. Yes, a traditional 'dedicated' install will not work here, but only because it shouldn't. A non-dedicated install with only one partition entry will fail in the same ways... You could use the boot1 loader in the mbr, and define two partitions, one for your suspend, and the rest a valid fdisk table. All a dedicated install is in my mind is wether you have boot0 or boot1 in the mbr. In either case, though the documentation doesn't discuss this, you should be putting a valid fdisk table on and all of the dedicated problems I've ever seen (not relating to interoperating with other oses) go away. > > > > o You can not easily add another OS to an existing system, > > without a full backup and restore hence it is called DEDICATED mode -- ie I dont want some other os. > > > > o An increasing number of BIOS will divide by 0 when they > > are attempting to implement LBA addressing. These > > systems simply _can not boot_, given FreeBSD's fake DOS > > partition table in its disklabel again, 30 seconds in fdisk fixes this > > o The FreeBSD fake DOS partition table does not pass a > > number BIOS-based self-consistency checks (it needs to > > be fixed -- feel free to bell the cat), and so systems > > which use these checks in the BIOS to protect against > > boot sector virus infestation _can not boot_. again, 30 seconds in fdisk fixes this Several other things were mentioned that relate to dedicateds not playing well with other operating systems and utilities. The response to all of these is "Yes, but by definition, a 'dedicated' install is not required to interoperate with other systems since it is the only OS on the disk. (yes, multiple disks, a boot manager, etc but when I think dedicated, I dont think dual boot to two disks -- I think -- this is my FreeBSD web/file/print/etc server, and so why would I want to dual-boot? Fred -- Fred Clift - fclift@verio.net -- Remember: If brute force doesn't work, you're just not using enough. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 9:33:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pro.fais.net (unknown [208.249.141.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182F537B4CF for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:33:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from drnet.fais.net (drnet.fais.net [208.249.141.31]) by pro.fais.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA17177; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:19:29 -0600 Received: from wks01 (wks01.drnet.fais.net [10.64.80.10]) by drnet.fais.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id eANBR3704599; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:27:19 GMT (envelope-from jwpauler@jwpages.com) Message-ID: <005501c05572$a0a56340$0a50400a@drnet.fais.net> From: "Justin W. Pauler" To: "Nevermind" Cc: , References: <3A1D3DA5.DC30647A@webcraft99.com> <20001123175716.A13407@nevermind.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: Networking Errors Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:26:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just upgraded my system to 4.1.1-RELEASE and had a problem with lo0 too. Try the following first and see if it fixes your problem: ifconfig lo0 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 If it does, make sure that you put it in your rc.conf as: ifconfig_lo0="inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0" After I rebuilt my rc.conf it seems I had left them out and it caused some pretty drastic results. My ping times for localhost went up into the hundres of miliseconds and named locally refused to respond as well as other programs local to the machine went wacky. -jwp Justin W. Pauler (drnet) E-Mail: jwpauler@jwpages.com ICQ: 95989631 IRC: Undernet IRC Network ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nevermind" To: "Feisal Umar" Cc: Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Networking Errors > Hello, Feisal Umar! > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 11:54:13PM +0800, you wrote: > > > I've upgraded my host from 4.1.1 to 4.2 yesterday. > > I've went through the obligatory > > make buildworld > > make buildkernel KERNEL=XXXX > > make installkernel KERNEL=XXXX > > [reboot] > > make installworld > > mergemaster -a -d > > > > Everything seems to work fine; am able to "fetchmail" my emails, etc. > > However, the host is running SQUID2.3, and there was an error. From the > > logs, the error seems to "no able to connect to 127.0.0.1:8080" > > > > Further checks, like "ping 127.0.0.1" or "ping localhost", resulted in > > "no route to host". ifconfig -a registers the existence of "lo" though. > > > > I am stumped. All the other interfaces seems to be working OK (tun0 and > > ed0). Why am I having problem with the localhost interface? > Maybe there is a problem with your routing table? > Give, please an output of netstat -rn > > > Since then, I've tried to re-make world, and replaced the relevant rc.* > > files, but the problem persists. > > > > Thanks in advance > > -- > Alexandr P. Kovalenko http://nevermind.kiev.ua/ > NEVE-RIPE > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 9:44:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (mg134-015.ricochet.net [204.179.134.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714D637B4C5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:44:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02382; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:44:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200011231744.JAA02382@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:44:24 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) To: fclift@verio.net Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ACK!@!! I appoligize to everyone on this. I've made terrible mistake. The URL that was mentioned IS NOT at freebsd.org. It is at: http://www.svbug.com/projects/platform_issues/ddvsbios/index.html On 23 Nov, Fred Clift wrote: > The url provided doesn't exist, and perhaps this doesn't need to be > included in any eventual comments, but some of the problems mentioned are > basically due to active opposition to any support for dedicated mode. Fred, Thanks for your comments on my blunder. :-) Jessem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 10: 8:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU (gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.edu [141.165.1.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC83E37B479 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:08:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (gsi22419@localhost) by gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id MAA37252; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:59:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:59:47 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Dodson To: Donn Miller Cc: "Sameer R. Manek" , stable@freebsd.org, jdp@polstra.com Subject: Re: Solution for distributing CVS server load? In-Reply-To: <3A1C0706.23024FAF@cvzoom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Donn Miller wrote: > "Sameer R. Manek" wrote: > > > The client > > then performs an application level "ping", similar to the oracle tnsping, > > where server load is also relayed to the client. > > Is there any way to determine the load average on a remote server? I'm > guessing it's application dependent. It could be obtained by a "finger cvs-stat@server.com". That'd be an easy way to accomplish that. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 11:19:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.techometer.net (techometer.net [216.240.169.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1484B37B4C5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:19:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from emechler@localhost) by lucifer.techometer.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eANJJDZ40655; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:19:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:19:13 -0800 From: Erick Mechler To: "Justin W. Pauler" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Networking Errors Message-ID: <20001123111913.A40626@lucifer.techometer.net> References: <3A1D3DA5.DC30647A@webcraft99.com> <20001123175716.A13407@nevermind.kiev.ua> <005501c05572$a0a56340$0a50400a@drnet.fais.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <005501c05572$a0a56340$0a50400a@drnet.fais.net>; from Justin W. Pauler on Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 11:26:43AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ...and also be sure that "lo0" is in your "network_interfaces=" statement, else the line below won't take effect. --Erick At Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 11:26:43AM -0600, Justin W. Pauler said this: :: I just upgraded my system to 4.1.1-RELEASE and had a problem with lo0 too. :: Try the following first and see if it fixes your problem: :: :: ifconfig lo0 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 :: :: If it does, make sure that you put it in your rc.conf as: :: :: ifconfig_lo0="inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0" :: :: After I rebuilt my rc.conf it seems I had left them out and it caused some :: pretty drastic results. My ping times for localhost went up into the hundres :: of miliseconds and named locally refused to respond as well as other :: programs local to the machine went wacky. :: :: -jwp :: :: Justin W. Pauler (drnet) :: E-Mail: jwpauler@jwpages.com :: ICQ: 95989631 :: IRC: Undernet IRC Network :: :: ----- Original Message ----- :: From: "Nevermind" :: To: "Feisal Umar" :: Cc: :: Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 9:57 AM :: Subject: Re: Networking Errors :: :: :: > Hello, Feisal Umar! :: > :: > On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 11:54:13PM +0800, you wrote: :: > :: > > I've upgraded my host from 4.1.1 to 4.2 yesterday. :: > > I've went through the obligatory :: > > make buildworld :: > > make buildkernel KERNEL=XXXX :: > > make installkernel KERNEL=XXXX :: > > [reboot] :: > > make installworld :: > > mergemaster -a -d :: > > :: > > Everything seems to work fine; am able to "fetchmail" my emails, etc. :: > > However, the host is running SQUID2.3, and there was an error. From the :: > > logs, the error seems to "no able to connect to 127.0.0.1:8080" :: > > :: > > Further checks, like "ping 127.0.0.1" or "ping localhost", resulted in :: > > "no route to host". ifconfig -a registers the existence of "lo" though. :: > > :: > > I am stumped. All the other interfaces seems to be working OK (tun0 and :: > > ed0). Why am I having problem with the localhost interface? :: > Maybe there is a problem with your routing table? :: > Give, please an output of netstat -rn :: > :: > > Since then, I've tried to re-make world, and replaced the relevant rc.* :: > > files, but the problem persists. :: > > :: > > Thanks in advance :: > :: > -- :: > Alexandr P. Kovalenko http://nevermind.kiev.ua/ :: > NEVE-RIPE :: > :: > :: > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :: > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message :: > :: :: :: :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :: with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 11:19:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta-2.gci.net (mta-2.gci.net [208.138.130.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F9037B4CF for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:19:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mmp-1.gci.net ([208.138.130.80]) by mta-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G4HSD303.J7B for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:19:51 -0900 Received: from gci.net ([24.237.7.9]) by mmp-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G4HSD300.U0C for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:19:51 -0900 Message-ID: <3A1D6DDA.BA57CCCB@gci.net> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:19:54 -0900 From: Jason Neumann Organization: LAN Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable Subject: 4.2-stable hangs on boot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a Dell Inspiron 3800 currently running 4.1-RELEASE. Pentium Celeron 600 64 megs of RAM 10gig hd (ATA-33 I think) I cvsuped to 4.2-Stable a couple of days ago. The makeworld went fine, the buildkernel went well also, but after installing the new kernel and rebooting, the system hung at plip0. I think the hardware that comes next is the parallel port? Was there some code change in LPT that would cause a hang in 4.2-S? I have cvsuped this morning and I am building the new src now. If I am unable to get the new kernel to boot, I will fiddle with the LPT settings. If anyone has had a similar problem, please let me know. Thanks! JasonN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 11:21:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A3B37B4C5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:21:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17360; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:21:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200011231921.MAA17360@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: make world on 4.2-R breaking In-Reply-To: <000701c054cb$fbd10e10$0b6cffc8@infolink.com.br> from Antonio Carlos Pina at "Nov 22, 0 07:34:24 pm" To: apina@infolink.com.br (Antonio Carlos Pina) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:21:47 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Antonio Carlos Pina wrote: > Let me try again ;-) Since I don't know what is "signal 4"... If you look in /usr/include/sys/signal.h, you'll see that signal 4 is caused when your CPU encounters an illegal instruction. Which would most likely be caused by memory corruption, or a faulty processor. If there =were= a software problem, it would have to be the compiler (assembler, actually) generating bad data. But many thousands of folks are using that compiler/assembler successfully, which is why folks here are suggesting it is a problem with your system. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 11:26: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4946237B4C5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17415; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:25:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200011231925.MAA17415@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: make world on 4.2-R breaking In-Reply-To: <00112310152803.05065@shalimar.net.au> from Zero Sum at "Nov 23, 0 10:15:28 am" To: count@shalimar.net.au (Zero Sum) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:25:45 -0700 (MST) Cc: apina@infolink.com.br, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Zero Sum wrote: > Fromm errno.h... > > #define EINTR 4 /* Interrupted system call */ > > I believe that FreeBSD does not permit interupts during system calls. No, he's complaining about =signal= 4, not errno 4. Illegal instruction encounted by the CPU. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 11:38: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAAE337B4CF for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:38:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA44000; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:38:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eANJbw803571; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:37:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:37:58 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: opentrax@email.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001123113758.A3504@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200011222253.PAA06600@usr05.primenet.com> <200011231608.IAA02277@spammie.svbug.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011231608.IAA02277@spammie.svbug.com>; from opentrax@email.com on Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 08:08:15AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 08:08:15AM -0800, opentrax@email.com wrote: > Terry, > your comments have been posted to: > > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/platform_issues/ddvsbios/index.html ^^^^^^^^^^^ svbug.com It appears this is the correct URL. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 11:42:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A8737B479 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA44015; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:42:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eANJgod03600; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:42:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:42:49 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Fred Clift Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) Message-ID: <20001123114249.B3504@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200011231608.IAA02277@spammie.svbug.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from fclift@verio.net on Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 10:24:28AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 10:24:28AM -0700, Fred Clift wrote: > > > o An increasing number of BIOS will divide by 0 when they > > > are attempting to implement LBA addressing. These > > > systems simply _can not boot_, given FreeBSD's fake DOS > > > partition table in its disklabel > > again, 30 seconds in fdisk fixes this ..snip.. > again, 30 seconds in fdisk fixes this Easy for the arm-chair quarterbacks to say. Aka, There seems to be a problem with your MUA, those easy patches to the FreeBSD documentation you created to explain how to do this (which were of course well tested) seems to have gotten deleted from this email. Perhaps you could send them again?? -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 12: 3:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CC237B479 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:03:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17666; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:02:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200011232002.NAA17666@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: make world on 4.2-R breaking In-Reply-To: <20001123101910.A1019@nevermind.kiev.ua> from Nevermind at "Nov 23, 0 10:19:10 am" To: never@nevermind.kiev.ua (Nevermind) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:02:57 -0700 (MST) Cc: dkelly@hiwaay.net, apina@infolink.com.br, dbader@eece.unm.edu, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Nevermind wrote: > There is a program called testmem.com (for DOS, sure) which tests > memory very good. I know, here is not much DOS-lovers, but it is the > only program I found which gives true results. It is so small that it > can be loaded into L1 cache so, no RAM access occurs during memory > test except by this prog. Got a URL? -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 12:12:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA0137B4CF for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:12:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell-1.enteract.com (presence@shell-1.enteract.com [207.229.143.40]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA08119 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:12:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from presence@churchofinformationwarfare.org) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:12:13 -0600 (CST) From: Reverend K Kanno X-Sender: presence@shell-1.enteract.com To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: network issues Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Box A is 4.1.1.-RELEASE and should run ppp with nat for other machines. Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default 216.80.19.11 UGSc 4 2 tun0 10/24 link#1 UC 0 0 fxp0 => 10.0.0.3 0:e0:29:22:ea:42 UHLW 1 2085 fxp0 1176 10.0.0.4 0:90:27:19:2e:8e UHLW 0 49 lo0 10.0.0.10 0:e0:29:22:ea:43 UHLW 2 866 fxp0 851 10.0.0.11 0:30:65:6b:10:76 UHLW 0 0 fxp0 757 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 0 36 lo0 216.80.19.11 216.80.34.27 UH 5 0 tun0 ==== Box B is 4.2-BETA and wants to use A as it's gateway. Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default 10.0.0.4 UGSc 15 59 tx0 10/24 link#1 UC 0 0 tx0 => 10.0.0.3 0:e0:29:22:ea:42 UHLW 1 83 lo0 10.0.0.4 0:90:27:19:2e:8e UHLW 17 3943 tx0 1195 10.0.0.10 0:e0:29:22:ea:43 UHLW 1 146 tx0 871 10.0.0.11 0:30:65:6b:10:76 UHLW 0 1 tx0 776 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 1 28 lo0 ==== NAT is not working on box A as it can reach an outside network via PPP, but no other local computers can through it. Another fun thing is "ping 0" does not work on A. "ping 0" on B gets a reply from A instead. Telnetting to 0 works properly on both computers. ______________________________________________________________________________ www.churchofinformationwarfare.org information@churchofinformationwarfare.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 12:14:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.sonet.pt (unknown [195.8.11.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 15B5737B4F9 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:14:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16375 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2000 21:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO angelsp) (195.8.11.26) by 195.8.11.18 with SMTP; 23 Nov 2000 21:19:21 -0000 Message-ID: <00d001c05589$78602020$1a0b08c3@angelsp> From: "Jorge Filipe Andrade" To: , Subject: Security Advisories at FreeBSD 4.2? Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:10:48 -0000 Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?SONET_-_Servi=E7os_Internet=2C_Lda?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C05589.78462F80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C05589.78462F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Somebody can say me, if exists Securty Advisores for FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE? Thank you! -- Best Regards, Jorge Filipe Andrade ___________________________ SONET - Servi=E7os Internet, Lda http://www.sonet.pt ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C05589.78462F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C05589.78462F80-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 12:15:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 499B337B4C5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:15:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15172 invoked by uid 0); 23 Nov 2000 20:15:47 -0000 Received: from p3ee2161e.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO speedy.gsinet) (62.226.22.30) by mail.gmx.net (mail06) with SMTP; 23 Nov 2000 20:15:47 -0000 Received: (from sittig@localhost) by speedy.gsinet (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA19510 for stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:36:52 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:36:52 +0100 From: Gerhard Sittig To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lint Message-ID: <20001123193652.V27042@speedy.gsinet> Mail-Followup-To: stable@freebsd.org References: <200011221944230040.296F5965@pilikia.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200011221944230040.296F5965@pilikia.net>; from art@pilikia.net on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 07:44:23PM -1000 Organization: System Defenestrators Inc. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 19:44 -1000, Arthur W. Neilson III wrote: > > I'm looking for lint libraries on my 4.2-RELEASE system. > /usr/libdata/lint appears to be empty. How do I generate the > *.ln libraries or does no one use lint anymore? Some people will tell you that lint is obsoleted by compiling with tough compiler settings (not just -Wall, but -pedantic and friends too). But admittedly I do write / wrote code so that it passes such compiler runs without errors and warnings (as much as possible, one can hardly correct something like system header files easily), I never used lint before. So I could be absolutely wrong. It's just a hint. And of course it depends on what you want to achieve. virtually yours 82D1 9B9C 01DC 4FB4 D7B4 61BE 3F49 4F77 72DE DA76 Gerhard Sittig true | mail -s "get gpg key" Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 12:15:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B0AF137B4D7 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:15:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15275 invoked by uid 0); 23 Nov 2000 20:15:49 -0000 Received: from p3ee2161e.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO speedy.gsinet) (62.226.22.30) by mail.gmx.net (mail06) with SMTP; 23 Nov 2000 20:15:49 -0000 Received: (from sittig@localhost) by speedy.gsinet (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19489 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:53:33 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:53:32 +0100 From: Gerhard Sittig To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm..passwords. Message-ID: <20001123185332.U27042@speedy.gsinet> Mail-Followup-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20001121135541.A14220@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20001121082750.A2922@citusc17.usc.edu> <20001121114933.D27266@stat.Duke.EDU> <20001121085551.A3534@citusc17.usc.edu> <20001121153112.B1910@dragon.nuxi.com> <20001121180236.U14080@elvis.mu.org> <20001122125214.B50977@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20001122125214.B50977@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 12:52:14PM -0800 Organization: System Defenestrators Inc. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 12:52 -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 06:02:36PM -0600, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > > > I don't really see what we need as far as a "vision" for PAM, > > its in our tree, lots of applications use it, some more > > should use it. > > If more people understood our intended uses of PAM, maybe more > would change applications to use it. > > > I'm happy :-> > > I'm not the only one that feels this way. Gerhard posted this > to -security or -stable (don't remember which). Since you're > pretty comfortable with PAM, could you reply to him? Maybe > we'll get more documentation on it. > > On Sat, Nov 11, 2000 at 06:38:26PM +0100, Gerhard Sittig > wrote: > > While we're at this: Where can I learn more about PAM in > > the FreeBSD environment? I'm aware of being OT, but this > > is a reply to a -stable article and I offer to collect > > the answers and summarize them for -stable, -doc or > > -questions (even when I'm not The more important part was a little later in the message: | The background is BTW that I'm searching for a centralized user | database for all the services summing up in a LAN environment | (ssh sessions, smbfs and print services, email access, cvs | repos, maybe ftp and some others). In case I'm heading for the | wrong direction thinking of PAM I would appreciate getting | corrected and taught of alternatives, too. But I failed to see | what, say, Kerberos could do for me except for authenticating | login sessions or filesystem access. There is documentation on | how to set it up, but I haven't found what I could achieve with | it. The whole story (describing my failure to learn more about PAM in FreeBSD environments) is in <20001111183826.G25237@speedy.gsinet>. virtually yours 82D1 9B9C 01DC 4FB4 D7B4 61BE 3F49 4F77 72DE DA76 Gerhard Sittig true | mail -s "get gpg key" Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 12:49:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A405537B4CF for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:49:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17951; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:49:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200011232049.NAA17951@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: lint In-Reply-To: <20001123193652.V27042@speedy.gsinet> from Gerhard Sittig at "Nov 23, 0 07:36:52 pm" To: Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net (Gerhard Sittig) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:49:16 -0700 (MST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Gerhard Sittig wrote: > Some people will tell you that lint is obsoleted by compiling with > tough compiler settings (not just -Wall, but -pedantic and friends > too). Yeah. Lint got invented because the compilers (and computers) of the time were pretty slow. So, they moved the error checking into a seperate program, so you didn't have to work through it for production compiles, just the development process. But GCC with the right switches can do a better job than Lint anyway Because as it does register coloring and the like it's better at catching stuff like "used before initialized". -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 13:12:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DAD4637B479 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:12:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12877 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2000 21:12:14 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 23 Nov 2000 21:12:14 -0000 Received: from sonic.net (adsl-209-204-189-72.sonic.net [209.204.189.72]) by sub.sonic.net (8.11.0/8.8.5) with ESMTP id eANLCDA29493; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:12:13 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3A1D87D6.9CF39E53@sonic.net> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:10:46 -0800 From: Nathan Patrick Organization: PEM Electronics X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chad@DCFinc.com Cc: Nevermind , dkelly@hiwaay.net, apina@infolink.com.br, dbader@eece.unm.edu, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world on 4.2-R breaking References: <200011232002.NAA17666@freeway.dcfinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'd give memtest86 a shot. It's extremely comprehensive. http://reality.sgi.com/cbrady_denver/memtest86/ Both the downloadable files contain a disk image which can be written to a floppy using dd. From there, just reboot and prepare to wait. "Chad R. Larson" wrote: > As I recall, Nevermind wrote: > > There is a program called testmem.com (for DOS, sure) which tests > > memory very good. I know, here is not much DOS-lovers, but it is the > > only program I found which gives true results. It is so small that it > > can be loaded into L1 cache so, no RAM access occurs during memory > > test except by this prog. > > Got a URL? > > -crl > -- > Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? > chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net > DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 -- Nathan Patrick - PEM Electronics To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 13:27:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from citusc17.usc.edu (citusc17.usc.edu [128.125.38.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEAF537B479; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc17.usc.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eANLSpw36135; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:28:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:28:51 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Jorge Filipe Andrade Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Security Advisories at FreeBSD 4.2? Message-ID: <20001123132851.A36019@citusc17.usc.edu> References: <00d001c05589$78602020$1a0b08c3@angelsp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00d001c05589$78602020$1a0b08c3@angelsp>; from jfa@mail.sonet.pt on Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 08:10:48PM -0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 08:10:48PM -0000, Jorge Filipe Andrade wrote: > Hello, >=20 > Somebody can say me, if exists Securty Advisores for FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE? > Thank you! FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE came out on Monday. There are no known outstanding security issues against 4.2-RELEASE or later (e.g. 4.2-STABLE). Kris --7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjodjBMACgkQWry0BWjoQKU9UQCg9BEcPQWeYSVWFNPF01ASG1T/ EtUAn1my1qO/7c5nuuNrSHyAOnaW+eGT =WAtF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 13:34:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from netcabo.pt (mail.netcabo.pt [212.113.161.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7078337B479 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:34:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from netcabo ([213.22.29.45]) by netcabo.pt with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:32:18 +0000 From: "Bruno Miguel" Organization: Artists, Inc. To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:31:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2 and syslog mess. /kernel: arp: IP_ADDRESS is on fxp0 Reply-To: brunomiguel@netcabo.pt Message-ID: <3A1D8CA9.1699.1992FCA@localhost> In-reply-to: <3A1D2833.9B9EC200@inquent.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm having a similar problem. 2 network cards in each of 3 machines. 3 > connections to VLAN 2, 3 connections to VLAN 2. The ports are not > common. For some reason (I'm assumming it's a misconfigured VLAN) no > traffic is allowed to flow over VLAN 2 and the arp replies from vlan2 > requests are being returned through vlan1. > > Am I just dumbfounded or do I need a second switch? I have both real and private ips connected to the same cisco 3500XL switches and gettin' those messages like hell. I still haven't figured out what's hapening. No nic card has both private and real ips. I have separate for each sub-net. ...:-=>> The freaking Mail Band <<=-:... brunomiguel@netcabo.pt D.E.Q. @ I.S.T. - Portugal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 13:47:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [130.155.191.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26AFD37B479 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:47:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from nominum.com (localhost.dv.isc.org [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eANLklG21117; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:46:53 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@nominum.com) Message-Id: <200011232146.eANLklG21117@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Jason Neumann Cc: stable From: Mark.Andrews@nominum.com Subject: Re: 4.2-stable hangs on boot In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:19:54 -0900." <3A1D6DDA.BA57CCCB@gci.net> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:46:47 +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Give pcic0 an irq of 10. Mark > > I have a Dell Inspiron 3800 currently running 4.1-RELEASE. > > Pentium Celeron 600 > 64 megs of RAM > 10gig hd (ATA-33 I think) > > I cvsuped to 4.2-Stable a couple of days ago. The makeworld went fine, > the buildkernel went well also, but after installing the new kernel and > rebooting, the system hung at plip0. I think the hardware that comes > next is the parallel port? > > Was there some code change in LPT that would cause a hang in 4.2-S? > > I have cvsuped this morning and I am building the new src now. If I am > unable to get the new kernel to boot, I will fiddle with the LPT > settings. > > If anyone has had a similar problem, please let me know. > > Thanks! > > JasonN > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Mark Andrews, Nominum Inc. 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark.Andrews@nominum.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 15: 9:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from spitfire.velocet.net (spitfire.velocet.net [209.167.225.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C1E37B4C5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:09:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from magus (anime.ca [204.138.55.45]) by spitfire.velocet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B266419A132 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:09:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005c01c055a2$771fa780$0300a8c0@anime.ca> From: "William Wong" To: Subject: make world Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:09:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hey guys, Just a suggestion for the make world process. How about by default compiling a kernel.GENERIC (just in case)? - Will To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 15:48:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB6C37B4CF for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:48:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.15.212] (helo=grand.canyon.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 13z663-0007cR-00; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:48:07 +0000 Received: by grand.canyon.demon.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4AC022039; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 00:47:48 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 00:47:48 +0100 From: Rene de Vries To: Nevermind Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building ISO image Message-ID: <20001124004748.A1492@canyon.demon.nl> References: <20001123130309.B1019@nevermind.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001123130309.B1019@nevermind.kiev.ua>; from never@nevermind.kiev.ua on Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 01:03:10PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alexandr, Yes, this is possible. What you need is: - a CVS repository (preferably nearby, or on your local disk) - $CVSROOT should be set to this remository - a complete src tree - lots of diskspace - time, time, time, time.... cd /usr/src/release vi Makefile - remove the '#' on line 17 (BUILDNAME) and modify the 4.0-RELEASE -> 4.2-RELEASE (or some other name for STABLE) - add '#' at the beginning of line 20,21,23 (DATE, BASE, BUILDNAME) - remove the '#' at line 24 (CHROOTDIR) and modify the path to some place large enough to hold a few gigabyte. - remove the '#' at line 26 (RELEASETAG) and set the var to RELENG_4_2_0_RELEASE (this is where you define the version you are going to build). - remove the '#' at lines 61,62 (NODOC and NOPORTS) and set them as you wish (I usually only set NODOC=YES and leave the '#' in front of NOPORTS) - save the Makefile make .... wait a few hours depending on your hardware .... cd $CHROOTDIR/R/cdrom/disc1 mkisofs -o ~/FreeBSD42.iso -j -r -b floppies/boot.flp . /* you could test before burning the cd by: vnconfig -c /dev/vn0 ~/FreeBSD42.iso mount -t cd9660 /dev/vn0 /mnt cd /mnt ... browse around ... cd / umount /mnt vnconfig -u /dev/vn0 */ ... and burn this image onto a cd (cdrecord) ... This CD should be bootable, it won't have any packages nor will it have XFree, but I just installed a fresh system using such a CD and it worked!!! I hope this helps, Rene On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 01:03:10PM +0200, Nevermind wrote: > How can I build ISO image for current -STABLE source tree? > Do I need any additional files? -- Rene de Vries http://www.tcja.nl mailto:rene@tcja.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 16:43:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B40037B479 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:43:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAO0cF810373; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:08:15 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:08:14 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Brad Knowles Cc: FreeBSD Stable Users Subject: Re: rawio 1.1 on FreeBSD 4.2-BETA? Message-ID: <20001124110814.B10142@echunga.lemis.com> References: <20001119151418.K52433@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from blk@skynet.be on Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 11:56:53AM +0100 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 23 November 2000 at 11:56:53 +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 3:14 PM +1030 2000/11/19, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> There is a PR. I'm not sure under what circumstances it fails. This >> is, in fact, a bug in the port, not in rawio: it's in files/patch-ac. >> It should work fine if you delete this patch and then make clean and >> rebuild. > > I tried deleting patch-ac, then did a "make distclean", followed > by a "make". Unfortunately, it still dies: > > make >>> rawio-1.1.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/. >>> Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/. > Receiving rawio-1.1.tar.gz (191472 bytes): 100% > 191472 bytes transferred in 59.4 seconds (3.15 kBps) > ===> Extracting for rawio-1.1 At this point, of course, you have your patch-ac again. Remove it again, do a make clean and start again. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 16:56:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hoflink.com (unknown [209.139.93.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9CA537B479 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:56:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from hoflink.com (ppp3.hoflink.com [209.139.93.103]) by hoflink.com (8.10.1/8.6.12) with ESMTP id eAO13A809500 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:03:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A1DBC06.E2DA8053@hoflink.com> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:53:26 -0500 From: Michael Graziano X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) References: <200011231744.JAA02382@spammie.svbug.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Regarding some of the points raised at http://www.svbug.com/projects/platform_issues/ddvsbios/index.html, >You can not easily add another OS to an existing system, >without a full backup and restore and >Commerical boot managers have problems with it; this is >an issue when you have FreeBSD on one "Dangerously >Dedicated" disk, and anohter OS on a second disk Since this is a dedicated install, you shouldn't be trying to add other operating systems to the machine. That defeats the whole purpose of creating a dedicated FreeBSD system. The way I aways interpreted "Dangerously Dedicated" disks is that the only OS on the MACHINE should be FreeBSD - Nothing else should ever run on that box. That is how I have always treated the Dangerously Dedicated option. (before I get flamed yes I DO understand that you can have a DD Disk in a machine as the second, third or whatever drive and not boot off of it, but I feel that DD disks are really only for people who will be using FreeBSD as their ONLY OS on a given machine) >An increasing number of BIOS will divide by 0 when they >are attempting to implement LBA addressing. These I remember reading somewhere that you should turn off LBA mode when installing FreeBSD anyway (that information may be dated now, and for all I know may not have been accurate when I read it (back in the 2.2.x days)). I have always set my FreeBSD systems to use normal mode for accessing the hard drive, and have always used DD disks without a problem. Machines from Compaq, SAG Electronics, IBM desktops and Laptops as well as a variety of systems I built myself (my home-built systems all use Award or AMI BIOSen, that leaves Phoenix untested and I would like to hear from someone who has experience with them) all have no problems with DD disks. This covers a significant part of the PC BIOS market share. >The FreeBSD fake DOS partition table does not pass a >number BIOS-based self-consistency checks (it needs to >be fixed), and so systems which use these checks in the >BIOS to protect against boot sector virus infestation _can >not boot_. By all means PLEASE fix it or suggest how it can be fixed. I would be all for making it work, but I've also been burned with other operating systems and "Boot Sector Virus Protection" in BIOS (it whines about DOS installs, Linux (RedHat), NetBSD, OpenBSD, and even Win95 and 98. I have found it to be more of a hinderance than a help and have turned it off on every system I use. On a FreeBSD system I think it would be BETTER to leave it turned off. IMHO it is a stupid feature which is useful for Win/DOS users who love to boot from floppies that their friends gave them or run strange programs off the 'net, but on a UNIX box I doubt people will be booting from untrusted floppies and unless you run something funky as root you can't do much damage to the system from inside the OS. At most I would think this warrants a FAQ or Handbook entry advising people to turn off the feature (if one isn't already there). Even if there aren't many real benefits to DD Disks, I think their creation should still be allowed and supported. Perhaps a more explicit warning in sysinstall (something to the effect of "If you are using a laptop and do a suspend to disk this will hose your system" coupled with "This violates the PC-standards and may cause serious problems") is in order. The current warning is somewhat wussy (to say the least). Honestly though, I see no harm in leaving this option in and I am seriously in favor of it remaining. It follows the same logic as the IDE_DELAY option for a kernel, if people are playing with it they should know what they are doing, and if not the warning should be enough to keep them from losing a finger to the firecrackers. /~mikeg Questions, comments, problems, flames, praise, small bundles of money to mikeg@hoflink.com SPAM, dead cows, fish-in-newspaper, death threats, etc. to billgates@microsoft.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 16:59:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from DC-SRVR1.dotcast.com (mail.dotcast.com [63.80.240.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EA637B479 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:59:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by DC-SRVR1.dotcast.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:58:20 -0800 Message-ID: <52C41B218DE28244B071A1B96DD474F6280199@DC-SRVR1.dotcast.com> From: Marty Fouts To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Files not touched by 'make buildworld' -- does this list look rig ht? Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:58:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've got a system I use mainly as a gateway. I started with a 3.2 distribution and have been keeping it up to date via cvsup and buildworld/installworld. After installing 4.2-stable this way, I had some time to kill after having cvsup-ed stable, and then building and installing world and kernel, per /usr/src/UPDATING, so I thought I'd do an audit of sorts to see what random bits were lying around undeleted. Below is a list of files found that hadn't been touched by the update, or mergemaster, which I thought I'd post as a sanity check. Should any of the following have been updated by installworld/installkernel, do they have separate build processes that I'm not up to speed on, or are they left overs that I can delete? (Not considered in the below list is /etc/* /usr/include/* /usr/ports /usr/schare /usr/src and /var/*) /.cshrc /.profile /COPYRIGHT /boot/defaults/loader.conf /boot/kernel.conf /boot/loader.4th /boot/loader.conf /boot/loader.help /boot/loader.rc /boot/support.4th /modules/atapi.ko /modules/lkm.ko /root/.cshrc /root/.history /root/.klogin /root/.login /root/.profile /sbin/modload /sbin/modunload /stand/* /usr/bin/btreeop /usr/bin/gctags /usr/bin/global /usr/bin/gtags /usr/bin/htags /usr/bin/systags /usr/lib/libRSAglue.a /usr/lib/libRSAglue.so@ /usr/lib/libRSAglue.so.1 /usr/lib/libRSAglue_p.a /usr/lib/libc.so.3 /usr/lib/libc_r.so.3 /usr/lib/librsaUSA.a /usr/lib/librsaUSA.so@ /usr/lib/librsaUSA.so.1 /usr/lib/librsaUSA_p.a /usr/lib/compat/* /usr/sbin/kvm_mkdb /usr/sbin/named-bootconf To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 17:10:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301A737B4C5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:10:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19570; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:10:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAyZaanM; Thu Nov 23 18:10:47 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA05483; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:10:09 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200011240110.SAA05483@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) To: fclift@verio.net (Fred Clift) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 01:10:09 +0000 (GMT) Cc: opentrax@email.com, tlambert@primenet.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Fred Clift" at Nov 23, 2000 10:24:28 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > o An increasing number of BIOS will divide by 0 when they > > > are attempting to implement LBA addressing. These > > > systems simply _can not boot_, given FreeBSD's fake DOS > > > partition table in its disklabel > > again, 30 seconds in fdisk fixes this This can be fixed, but hasn't been. > > > o The FreeBSD fake DOS partition table does not pass a > > > number BIOS-based self-consistency checks (it needs to > > > be fixed -- feel free to bell the cat), and so systems > > > which use these checks in the BIOS to protect against > > > boot sector virus infestation _can not boot_. > > again, 30 seconds in fdisk fixes this I don't agree with this one. There is a checksum that is not valid against the FreeBSD created partition tablem regardless of what you do with FreeBSD fdisk. > Several other things were mentioned that relate to dedicateds not playing > well with other operating systems and utilities. The response to all of > these is "Yes, but by definition, a 'dedicated' install is not required > to interoperate with other systems since it is the only OS on the > disk. (yes, multiple disks, a boot manager, etc but when I think > dedicated, I dont think dual boot to two disks -- I think -- this is my > FreeBSD web/file/print/etc server, and so why would I want to dual-boot? I have yet to see a reasonable justification as to why a DOS partition table and MBR (or boot manager) causes any problems that can't be overcome. The only valid reasons I have seen put forth have come from my own postings about historical hardware, and they all have workarounds. Let me add a third in the "pro" column (I'm 3 for 3 on being the source of "pro" arguments, with this one): o If you have a disk which exceeds the allowable C/H/S values with its physical geometry, and neither the disk itself, nor the controller, fictionalizes the geometry, the DOS partition table can not describe the full disk in C/H/S terms, and some space will not be usable. The refutation of this one is rather simple: the OS should use the 32 bit sector offset and 32 bit sector count, instead of the C/H/S values, if these two values are non-zero. This is described in numerous documents written about the DOS partition table, and is even part of the PReP standard for PPC based systems. (I'm 3 for 3 on refuting them, too). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 17:24:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.flashcom.net (3ff83059.dsl.flashcom.net [63.248.48.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9639537B4CF for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cgaff@localhost) by mail.flashcom.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAO1O1U01276; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:24:01 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from cgaff) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:24:01 -0600 From: "Corey G." To: Michael Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ata0 problems Message-ID: <20001123192401.A1250@flashcom.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from michael@abaddon.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua on Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 06:30:11PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I saw the same error tonight. (if it is an error). FreeBSD 4.2 AMD K62-450 ATA-66 - Maxtor Drive ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting ata0: resetting devices .. done ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting ata0: resetting devices .. done On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 06:30:11PM +0000, Michael wrote: > Hello > I have problems in FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE > > > Nov 23 09:49:53 lucky /kernel: ata0: resetting devices .. done > Nov 23 09:50:44 lucky /kernel: ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - > resetting > > regards, Michael > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message ---end quoted text--- -- Best Regards, Corey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 17:30: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from metrocon.com (metrocon.com [198.143.64.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3660D37B4CF; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:29:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from metrocon.com (localhost.metrocon.com [127.0.0.1]) by metrocon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30302; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:29:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from zhaoc@metrocon.com) Message-Id: <200011240129.UAA30302@metrocon.com> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: zhaoc@metrocon.com, sos@freebsd.org Subject: Problem with AcerLabs Aladdin ATA33 in udma33 mode since upgrade to 4.2-stable from 4.1.1-stable Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:29:42 -0500 From: Chen Zhao Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To Soren: I don't know if you mind being copied directly, my apologies if you do; I think you handle most of the ata stuff... Yesterday I upgraded to 4.2 from 4.1.1 via cvsup. This worked perfectly, no errors (thank you developers). When I rebooted, however, I started getting the "ad0: READ command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting" errors. It eventually fell back to using pio mode. I know about the sysctl work around for this problem (for those desktops with certain (fujistu) drives and certain chipsets, but udma33 mode worked for this notebook before the upgrade. The system is an Acer 343T, using the AcerLabs Aladdin ATA33 controller, which I know from the ata man page is supported (and worked well! from personal experience). The dmesg is at the bottom. The kernel configuration for the ata section is simply using: device ata device atadisk device atapicd options ATA_STATIC_ID The end of the first ad0 line now reads WDMA2, but I know it was UDMA33 before. Please tell me if there's any information I'm forgetting, or if there's anything I can do to help track this problem. I see from the stable list that there are a few other reports of similar problems.. I wonder if they are related. (If anyone wonders about the ppc0 line, that's simply because I turned off the lpt port in the bios, and has never caused problems before.) Anyway, thanks for your time. Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #6: Wed Nov 22 16:14:57 EST 2000 root@wyndi:/usr/src/sys/compile/WYNDI Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (493.98-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x681 Stepping = 1 Features=0x383f9ff real memory = 134152192 (131008K bytes) avail memory = 127700992 (124708K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02de000. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled apm0: on motherboard apm: found APM BIOS v1.2, connected at v1.2 npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 pci1: at 0.0 irq 9 fxp0: port 0x9000-0x903f mem 0x81300000-0x813fffff,0x81200000-0x81200fff irq 9 at device 6.0 on pci0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:d0:59:0e:09:5f pci0: (vendor=0x11c1, dev=0x0447) at 6.1 irq 9 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pcm0: port 0x9414-0x9417,0x9400-0x9403,0x90f0-0x90ff,0x90d0-0x90df,0x9080-0x90bf irq 5 at device 8.0 on pci0 atapci0: port 0x7090-0x709f irq 15 at device 15.0 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 chip1: at device 17.0 on pci0 chip2: irq 9 at device 19.0 on pci0 fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> pcic0: at port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd0000 irq 10 on isa0 pcic0: management irq 10 pccard0: on pcic0 pccard1: on pcic0 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A ppc0: parallel port not found. IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled, default to accept, logging limited to 100 packets/entry by default DUMMYNET initialized (000608) BRIDGE 990810, have 2 interfaces -- index 1 type 6 phy 0 addrl 6 addr 00.d0.59.0e.09.5f ad0: 11513MB [23392/16/63] at ata0-master WDMA2 Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s2a ad0: READ command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting ata0: resetting devices .. done ad0: READ command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting ata0: resetting devices .. done ad0: READ command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting ata0: resetting devices .. done ad0: READ command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting ad0: trying fallback to PIO mode ata0: resetting devices .. done ============================================================================ | Webbing is nothing. \\ Chen Zhao // zhaoc@metrocon.com | | Admining is everything. = MetroCon Communications = 212.661.6800 x501 | | Support your local root. // Sys/Net Admin \\ 212.661.1229 Fax | ============================================================================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 18:11:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from krycek.zoominternet.net (krycek.zoominternet.net [63.67.120.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1DDC237B4C5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:11:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5940 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2000 02:08:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cvzoom.net) (208.226.155.12) by krycek.zoominternet.net with SMTP; 24 Nov 2000 02:08:35 -0000 Message-ID: <3A1DCE0A.69AE2A95@cvzoom.net> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:10:18 -0500 From: Donn Miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Wong Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world References: <005c01c055a2$771fa780$0300a8c0@anime.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG William Wong wrote: > Just a suggestion for the make world process. How about by default > compiling a kernel.GENERIC (just in case)? How about just doing make buildkernel KERNEL=kernel.GENERIC after a successful make world? For example, to automate this, you might do make buildworld installworld buildkernel installkernel KERNEL=kernel.GENERIC -Donn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 18:19: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from apoq.skynet.be (apoq.skynet.be [195.238.2.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D91F37B4C5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:19:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (dialup1389.brussels.skynet.be [194.78.233.109]) by apoq.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C169A48; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 03:19:01 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@195.238.1.45 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001124110814.B10142@echunga.lemis.com> References: <20001119151418.K52433@echunga.lemis.com> <20001124110814.B10142@echunga.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 03:18:23 +0100 To: Greg Lehey From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: rawio 1.1 on FreeBSD 4.2-BETA? Cc: FreeBSD Stable Users Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 11:08 AM +1030 2000/11/24, Greg Lehey wrote: > At this point, of course, you have your patch-ac again. Remove it > again, do a make clean and start again. I checked that before I responded. There is no patch-ac file in the directory. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 18:28:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jenna.webcraft99.alt (unknown [202.151.216.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A605A37B4CF for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:28:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28473 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2000 02:32:07 -0000 Received: from heather.webcraft99.alt (HELO webcraft99.com) (192.168.1.31) by jenna.webcraft99.alt with SMTP; 24 Nov 2000 02:32:07 -0000 Message-ID: <3A1DD327.7050300@webcraft99.com> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:32:07 +0800 From: Feisal Umar Organization: Webcraft Sdn Bhd (http://www.webcraft99.com) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001108 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Networking Errors: SOLVED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks for the pointers Yes, I had inadvertently mangled my rc.conf at some point. The host is A-OK now. Sorry for the emergency nature, being a brand-new production host, it was easy to panic instead of taking a deep breath and work my way out of the situation. Personal thanks to Justin and Alexandr Cheers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 18:33:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from spitfire.velocet.net (spitfire.velocet.net [209.167.225.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9900737B4C5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:33:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from magus (anime.ca [204.138.55.45]) by spitfire.velocet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CA4E419A134; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:33:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001401c055be$e9e32aa0$0300a8c0@anime.ca> From: "William Wong" To: "Donn Miller" Cc: References: <005c01c055a2$771fa780$0300a8c0@anime.ca> <3A1DCE0A.69AE2A95@cvzoom.net> Subject: Re: make world Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:33:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ah. Thanks for the automate command. I just find it strange since if 'make world' was designed to update the entire system, having an older kernel.GENERIC lying around by default is a bit weird. I don't think the "make world" page in the handbook states that kernel.GENERIC isn't updated by default. Maybe just a note that you could update that too. (Like how it makes a note about updating sysinstall for completeness). - Will > > Just a suggestion for the make world process. How about by default > > compiling a kernel.GENERIC (just in case)? > > How about just doing > > make buildkernel KERNEL=kernel.GENERIC > > after a successful make world? For example, to automate this, you might > do > > make buildworld installworld buildkernel installkernel > KERNEL=kernel.GENERIC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 18:54:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail-4.sjc.telocity.net (mail-4.sjc.telocity.net [216.227.56.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411F737B4CF; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:54:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoso (dsl-216-227-91-85.telocity.com [216.227.91.85]) by mail-4.sjc.telocity.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA28799; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:50:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Otter" To: "Kris Kennaway" , "Jorge Filipe Andrade" Cc: , Subject: RE: Security Advisories at FreeBSD 4.2? Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:57:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20001123132851.A36019@citusc17.usc.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG }On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 08:10:48PM -0000, Jorge Filipe Andrade wrote: }> Hello, }> }> Somebody can say me, if exists Securty Advisores for }FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE? }> Thank you! } }FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE came out on Monday. There are no known }outstanding }security issues against 4.2-RELEASE or later (e.g. 4.2-STABLE). } }Kris } AND... when/if they are announced, you can find them if you read: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.2-RELEASE/ERRATA.TXT -Otter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 19:51:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E5937B4CF for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAO3pNQ41475; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:51:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA51430; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:51:14 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011240351.UAA51430@harmony.village.org> To: shizuka00 Subject: Re: WaveLAN PCI problem Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:21:03 +0700." <20001122172103.8067.qmail@hk.sina.com.hk> References: <20001122172103.8067.qmail@hk.sina.com.hk> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:51:14 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20001122172103.8067.qmail@hk.sina.com.hk> shizuka00 writes: : I have a Lucent WaveLAN wireless lan card that come with a PCI : PCMCIA That configuration isn't currently working. I have the hardware to test this and will work on getting it working when I get the time. It won't likely be until after the holidayys that I have time. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 19:58:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5E037B4C5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAO3wmQ41487; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:58:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA51466; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:58:48 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011240358.UAA51466@harmony.village.org> To: Graham Wheeler Subject: Re: pccard woes Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:03:01 +0200." <3A1CEB55.2BD9EC33@cequrux.com> References: <3A1CEB55.2BD9EC33@cequrux.com> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:58:48 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sounds like a resource conflict introduced when you added the hard disk. Do you have a demsg from before/after? It might also be a conflict with memory. -1 is ff which is a common way things conflict. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 20: 1:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB7237B4C5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAO41kQ41505; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:01:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA51504; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:01:45 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011240401.VAA51504@harmony.village.org> To: shizuka00 Subject: Re: WaveLAN PCI problem Cc: Blaz Zupan , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Nov 2000 00:10:54 CST." <20001123161054.19220.qmail@hk.sina.com.hk> References: <20001123161054.19220.qmail@hk.sina.com.hk> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:01:45 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20001123161054.19220.qmail@hk.sina.com.hk> shizuka00 writes: : In this case, I have to dump either my motherboard or the adaptor : because my motherboard is an ASUS CUSL2 which has no ISA slot. I may : have some spare time next month, is there any doc detailed how to : complete the emulation code? The problem is with the interrupt dispatching and routing. You'll have to port the -current code as well as fix some issues with the pcic.c for pci cards. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 22: 2:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ftp.imagers.com (unknown [209.195.2.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CA0F137B4D7 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 22:02:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.imagers.com (unverified [209.195.2.3]) by ftp.imagers.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 01:05:22 -0500 Received: from [209.195.2.99] (unverified [209.195.2.99]) by mail.imagers.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 00:58:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20001119151418.K52433@echunga.lemis.com> <20001124110814.B10142@echunga.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 01:02:34 -0500 To: Brad Knowles From: Alex Lines Subject: Re: rawio 1.1 on FreeBSD 4.2-BETA? Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brad, in mkrandom.c, change line 57: #include "random.h" to read" #include "randoms.h" >At 11:08 AM +1030 2000/11/24, Greg Lehey wrote: > >>At this point, of course, you have your patch-ac again. Remove it >>again, do a make clean and start again. > > I checked that before I responded. There is no patch-ac file >in the directory. > >-- > These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy >====================================================================== >Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV >Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 >Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels >http://www.skynet.be || Belgium > >"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary >safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." > -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 23:18: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pemaquid.safeport.com (pemaquid.safeport.com [204.156.12.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E875D37B479 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:17:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by pemaquid.safeport.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29415 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 02:17:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: pemaquid.safeport.com: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 02:17:58 -0500 (EST) From: To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: addition to system.twmrc Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In trying to update KDE on a system, I wanted to use twm. twm has a default configuration file, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/twm/system.twmrc which defines a default menu. I propose the following change be made. 87a88 > "Xterm" !"xterm &" With this change twm may be used as shipped. _____ Douglas Denault doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-469-8766 Fax: 301-469-0601 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 23:37:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from isabase.philol.msu.ru (isabase.philol.msu.ru [195.208.217.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D62237B4C5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:37:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grg@localhost) by isabase.philol.msu.ru (8.11.0/8.9.2) id eAO7b8m17936; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:37:08 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from grg) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:37:08 +0300 From: Grigoriy Strokin To: "Corey G." Cc: Michael , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ata0 problems Message-ID: <20001124103708.A17893@isabase.philol.msu.ru> References: <20001123192401.A1250@flashcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20001123192401.A1250@flashcom.net>; from cgaff@flashcom.net on Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 07:24:01PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I haven't tried FreeBSD 4.2 yet, but I had this problem in 4.0 and 4.1, and described it in http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=17643. The problem report has been recently closed with the reason: Problems with the VIA 586 chipset should be fixed in 4.2 and later So it seems it should be re-opened? On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 07:24:01PM -0600, Corey G. wrote: > I saw the same error tonight. (if it is an error). > > FreeBSD 4.2 > AMD K62-450 > ATA-66 - Maxtor Drive > > ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting > ata0: resetting devices .. done > ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting > ata0: resetting devices .. done > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 06:30:11PM +0000, Michael wrote: > > Hello > > I have problems in FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE > > > > > > Nov 23 09:49:53 lucky /kernel: ata0: resetting devices .. done > > Nov 23 09:50:44 lucky /kernel: ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - > > resetting > > > > regards, Michael > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > ---end quoted text--- > > -- > Best Regards, > Corey > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- === Grigoriy Strokin, Lomonosov University (MGU), Moscow === === contact info: http://isabase.philol.msu.ru/~grg/ === To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Nov 23 23:48: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from osiris.osiricom.co.za (unknown [209.212.104.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A83C37B479 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:47:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from osiricom.co.za (boesman [192.168.1.30]) by osiris.osiricom.co.za (8.8.8/SCO5) with ESMTP id JAA11513 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:48:14 -0200 (SAT) Message-ID: <3A1E1CAC.250A43A3@osiricom.co.za> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:45:48 +0200 From: Wim Olivier Reply-To: wimo@osiricom.co.za Organization: Osiricom Professional Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-stable Subject: Suggestion: NATD configuration in /etc/rc.network Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4CA300EA9CE088C2ABD3A13B" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4CA300EA9CE088C2ABD3A13B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Suggestion for the next release: Change the NATD startup line in /etc/rc.network from "/sbin/natd -interface ed0" to rather take the natd interface from the /etc/rc.conf file instead of hardcoding it to ed0. -- Kind Regards, Wim Olivier Principal Consultant - UNIX Systems Professional Services (Africa & Middle East) OSIRICOM Holdings (Pty) Ltd. - South Africa Mobile : +27 (0) 82 6553599 http://www.osiricom.co.za Tel : +27 11 802 7415 Fax : +27 11 802 5853 --------------4CA300EA9CE088C2ABD3A13B Content-Type: text/x-vcard; 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Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13zDlB-000P4f-01; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 07:59:06 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.1/8.11.0) id eAO7qw827288; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:52:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:52:58 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Rene de Vries Cc: Nevermind , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building ISO image Message-ID: <20001124085258.B27240@freebie.demon.nl> References: <20001123130309.B1019@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20001124004748.A1492@canyon.demon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20001124004748.A1492@canyon.demon.nl>; from rene@canyon.demon.nl on Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 12:47:48AM +0100 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 12:47:48AM +0100, Rene de Vries wrote: > Alexandr, > > Yes, this is possible. What you need is: > - a CVS repository (preferably nearby, or on your local disk) > - $CVSROOT should be set to this remository > - a complete src tree > - lots of diskspace > - time, time, time, time.... > > cd /usr/src/release > vi Makefile Does not have to be: make release BUILDNAME="my foo" NOPORTS=YES NODOC=YES CHROOTDIR=/huge etc works just as well. > - remove the '#' on line 17 (BUILDNAME) and modify the > 4.0-RELEASE -> 4.2-RELEASE (or some other name for STABLE) > - add '#' at the beginning of line 20,21,23 (DATE, BASE, BUILDNAME) > - remove the '#' at line 24 (CHROOTDIR) and modify the path to some place > large enough to hold a few gigabyte. > - remove the '#' at line 26 (RELEASETAG) and set the var to > RELENG_4_2_0_RELEASE (this is where you define the version you are going > to build). > - remove the '#' at lines 61,62 (NODOC and NOPORTS) and set them as you wish > (I usually only set NODOC=YES and leave the '#' in front of NOPORTS) > - save the Makefile > make > .... wait a few hours depending on your hardware .... > cd $CHROOTDIR/R/cdrom/disc1 > mkisofs -o ~/FreeBSD42.iso -j -r -b floppies/boot.flp . > /* you could test before burning the cd by: > vnconfig -c /dev/vn0 ~/FreeBSD42.iso > mount -t cd9660 /dev/vn0 /mnt > cd /mnt > ... browse around ... > cd / > umount /mnt > vnconfig -u /dev/vn0 > */ > ... and burn this image onto a cd (cdrecord) ... -- Wilko Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands wilko@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 0:33:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from citadel.cequrux.com (citadel.cequrux.com [192.96.22.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2049D37B479 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 00:33:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by citadel.cequrux.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) id KAA16016; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:31:37 +0200 (SAST) From: User Support Message-Id: <200011240831.KAA16016@citadel.cequrux.com> Subject: Re: pccard woes In-Reply-To: <200011240358.UAA51466@harmony.village.org> from Warner Losh at "Nov 23, 0 08:58:48 pm" To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:31:37 +0200 (SAST) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Sounds like a resource conflict introduced when you added the hard > disk. Do you have a demsg from before/after? It might also be a > conflict with memory. -1 is ff which is a common way things conflict. Actually it turned out I was wrong about it working under MS-Windows. Windows detected it as a 3Com OfficeConnect, but failed to bind an IP address to it. So it seemed to be getting further than FreeBSD, but there was still a problem. I opened up the machine to see if there were any damaged pins, but it looked okay. However, after I closed it back up the card started working. So it must just be a flaky connection somewhere. Sorry for the red herring regards gram To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 0:55:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from omni.epsb.net (omni.epsb.net [199.185.95.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3FE37B4C5 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 00:55:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from epsb.net (nobody@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by omni.epsb.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA92566; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 01:54:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jspencer@epsb.net) From: Jason Spencer Received: from 129.128.23.67 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jspencer) by viaweb.epsb.net with HTTP; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 01:54:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4315.129.128.23.67.975056087.squirrel@viaweb.epsb.net> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 01:54:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Suggestion: NATD configuration in /etc/rc.network To: wimo@osiricom.co.za In-Reply-To: <3A1E1CAC.250A43A3@osiricom.co.za> References: <3A1E1CAC.250A43A3@osiricom.co.za> Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: jspencer@epsb.net X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 0.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Suggestion for the next release: > > Change the NATD startup line in /etc/rc.network from "/sbin/natd > -interface ed0" to rather take the natd interface from > the /etc/rc.conf file instead of hardcoding it to ed0. This might not be a good idea. If you're using natd, you're probably going to have more than one interface and the system would have no way of knowing which one is which. Or maybe I'm just happy because my ed0 happens to be my outside interface :) -j. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 1:28:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lavender.sanpei.org (nat06.st.keio.ac.jp [131.113.17.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151F037B4CF for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 01:28:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sanpei@localhost) by lavender.sanpei.org (8.11.0/3.7W) id eAO9Qln04461; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:26:47 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:26:47 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200011240926.eAO9Qln04461@lavender.sanpei.org> To: larse@ISI.EDU Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, imp@village.org Subject: Re: two identical PC cards In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:52:46 -0700". <200011221952.MAA44159@harmony.village.org> From: sanpei@sanpei.org (MIHIRA Yoshiro) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.22] 1999-12/19(Sun) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG imp@village.org wrote: >> I have never been able to get this to work. >> >> I have been told that something like the following will work: Or below config(I think it needs to use ``auto'' in config line or different value) # 3Com Etherlink III 3C589D card "3Com Corporation" "3C589D" config auto "ep0" ? config auto "ep1" ? insert /etc/pccard_ether $device remove /sbin/ifconfig $device delete # 3Com Etherlink III 3C589D card "3Com Corporation" "3C589D" config 0x1 "ep0" ? config 0x2 "ep1" ? insert /etc/pccard_ether $device remove /sbin/ifconfig $device delete sanpei To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 1:33:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (www.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [212.111.192.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4AA37B479 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 01:33:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from abaddon.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (unknown [10.100.8.9]) by relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6430A2EE59; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:32:48 +0200 (EET) Received: from abaddon.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (abaddon.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.255.100.9]) by abaddon.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAOBAmk00663; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:10:48 GMT (envelope-from michael@abaddon.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:10:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael To: "Corey G." Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ata0 problems In-Reply-To: <20001123192401.A1250@flashcom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD 4.2 Cyrix-166 ATA-66- WD 7200 2Mb cache On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, Corey G. wrote: > I saw the same error tonight. (if it is an error). > > FreeBSD 4.2 > AMD K62-450 > ATA-66 - Maxtor Drive > > ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting > ata0: resetting devices .. done > ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting > ata0: resetting devices .. done > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 06:30:11PM +0000, Michael wrote: > > Hello > > I have problems in FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE > > > > > > Nov 23 09:49:53 lucky /kernel: ata0: resetting devices .. done > > Nov 23 09:50:44 lucky /kernel: ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - > > resetting > > > > regards, Michael > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > ---end quoted text--- > > -- > Best Regards, > Corey > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 2:52:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6DF37B4CF for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 02:49:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eAOAnCf43540; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:49:12 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:49:12 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Wim Olivier Cc: FreeBSD-stable Subject: Re: Suggestion: NATD configuration in /etc/rc.network Message-ID: <20001124124912.B40978@sunbay.com> Mail-Followup-To: Wim Olivier , FreeBSD-stable References: <3A1E1CAC.250A43A3@osiricom.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A1E1CAC.250A43A3@osiricom.co.za>; from wimo@osiricom.co.za on Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 09:45:48AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 09:45:48AM +0200, Wim Olivier wrote: > Suggestion for the next release: > > Change the NATD startup line in /etc/rc.network from "/sbin/natd > -interface ed0" to rather take the natd interface from > the /etc/rc.conf file instead of hardcoding it to ed0. > You are apparently running a custom version of /etc/rc.network file, because it has never been hardcoded to `ed0' there... -- Ruslan Ermilov Oracle Developer/DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 3:17:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from aifhs8.alcatel.fr (aifhs8.alcatel.fr [212.208.74.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C9137B683 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 03:17:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from frmta003.netfr.alcatel.fr (frmta003.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.251.32]) by aifhs8.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/SMTP2) with SMTP id MAA18488; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:16:35 +0100 (MET) Received: by frmta003.netfr.alcatel.fr(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id C12569A1.003DE858 ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:16:11 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ALCATEL From: Thierry.Herbelot@alcatel.fr To: Grigoriy Strokin Cc: "Corey G." , Michael , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:25:40 +0100 Subject: Re: ata0 problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I also have seen it with 4.1-R and 4.1.1-R with a BX motherboard : in my case, it's most likely due to bad hard disks (which the ata(4) driver is using with all performance options "ON") TfH Grigoriy Strokin on 24/11/2000 08:37:08 To: "Corey G." cc: Michael , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG(bcc: Thierry HERBELOT/FR/ALCATEL) Subject: Re: ata0 problems I haven't tried FreeBSD 4.2 yet, but I had this problem in 4.0 and 4.1, and described it in http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=17643. The problem report has been recently closed with the reason: Problems with the VIA 586 chipset should be fixed in 4.2 and later So it seems it should be re-opened? On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 07:24:01PM -0600, Corey G. wrote: > I saw the same error tonight. (if it is an error). > > FreeBSD 4.2 > AMD K62-450 > ATA-66 - Maxtor Drive > > ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting > ata0: resetting devices .. done > ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting > ata0: resetting devices .. done > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 06:30:11PM +0000, Michael wrote: > > Hello > > I have problems in FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE > > > > > > Nov 23 09:49:53 lucky /kernel: ata0: resetting devices .. done > > Nov 23 09:50:44 lucky /kernel: ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - > > resetting > > > > regards, Michael > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > ---end quoted text--- > > -- > Best Regards, > Corey > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- === Grigoriy Strokin, Lomonosov University (MGU), Moscow === === contact info: http://isabase.philol.msu.ru/~grg/ === To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 4:17:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tech.pcx.si (tech.pcx.si [212.18.46.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB0337B479; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 04:17:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from nu.cuk.nu (unknown [192.168.1.50]) by tech.pcx.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76B9F90DF; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:18:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3A1E5C6C.797B73DB@nu.cuk.nu> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:17:48 +0100 From: Marko Cuk Organization: Pcx computers d.o.o., Tehnika X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bmilekic@technokratis.com, freebsd-net@freebsd.org, tmoestl@gmx.net, luigi@info.iet.unipi.it, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PATCH REVIEW Re: bug in bridging/dummynet code - PR kern/19551 References: <3A1DA06A.9F46ADC9@nu.cuk.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It works !!! Bridge code works in 4.2 with patched bridge.c and ip_dummynet.c from Bosko Milekic. su-2.04# netstat -m 176/624/40960 mbufs in use (current/peak/max): 173 mbufs allocated to data 3 mbufs allocated to packet headers 145/366/10240 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max) 888 Kbytes allocated to network (2% of mb_map in use) 0 requests for memory denied 0 requests for memory delayed 0 calls to protocol drain routines It remains like that after 200Mbytes transferred on 100Mbit network with 25 ipfw rules. Otherwise I have aroung 1Gbyte of traffic in and out every working day. I'll test it through weekend, as 4.0 crashed few times on saturday when there was no packet flow. Many thanks to bMilekic, Luigi ang Thomas !!!! Marko Cuk Marko Cuk wrote: > > I'll try it tommorov in my company. I'll go to bed now :). > > Cuk > > Bosko Milekic wrote: > > > I built a kernel with bridging + dummynet + ipfw and tested the diff. It > > seems to be fine on my end, although I haven't gotten further feedback > > from Marko. > > > > I've committed the fix to -CURRENT. I will wait a couple of days and MFC. > > I'll close two of the three PRs now (because they directly relate to this > > problem) and will leave the third one (already assigned to me) to close > > in the couple of days, after I MFC this and another dummynet+bridging > > related fix that went into -CURRENT about a month ago. > > > > Once again, thanks Thomas. Thank you Luigi for the input! > > > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > > > > Thomas, I have looked at and reviewed your patch, and have added one > > > > hunk to bridge.c, please take a look at the "almost ready for commit" > > > > version here: > > > > > > > > http://people.FreeBSD.org/~bmilekic/dumbridge.diff > > > > > > sounds ok to me (modulo testing). > > > > > > > Basically, I don't like the fact that we have to copy the ethernet > > > > header back into the mbuf for dummynet in bdg_forward(), especially since > > > > we just removed it before calling bdg_forward(). But, this is no fault of > > > > > > this was also part of my criticism to the original changes. > > > I posted a suggestion for keeping the ethernet header together with > > > the mbuf when calling ether_input() (in case, define a new function > > > ether_input2() if backward compatibility was a concern) to avoid > > > the need for M_PREPEND, and also (probably) to save some code in > > > the in the individual drivers where the ethernet splitting is > > > replicated and could be centralized in ether_input2(). > > > > > > But this is some change that now would require a lot of work > > > in touching the individual drivers. > > > > > > thanks Bosko and Thomas for your work > > > > > > cheers > > > luigi > > > ----------------------------------+----------------------------------------- > > > Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . ACIRI/ICSI (on leave from Univ. di Pisa) > > > http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . 1947 Center St, Berkeley CA 94704 > > > Phone: (510) 666 2927 > > > ----------------------------------+----------------------------------------- > > > > Regards, > > Bosko Milekic > > bmilekic@technokratis.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 5:17:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kingtut.osiricom.co.za (unknown [209.212.104.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2013B37B479 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 05:17:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.30] (HELO osiricom.co.za) by kingtut.osiricom.co.za (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.3.2) with ESMTP id 10005 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 15:15:25 +0200 Message-ID: <3A1E59FC.E71456ED@osiricom.co.za> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:07:25 +0200 From: Wim Olivier Reply-To: wimo@osiricom.co.za Organization: Osiricom Professional Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-stable Subject: Re: Suggestion: NATD configuration in /etc/rc.network References: <3A1E1CAC.250A43A3@osiricom.co.za> <4315.129.128.23.67.975056087.squirrel@viaweb.epsb.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------27C6223CD52DB908E65710D1" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------27C6223CD52DB908E65710D1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm running stock standard 4.0-RELEASE and ed2 is my external interface in this case. My suggestion stands, because rc.network should the the NATD interface name from the natd_interface="ed2" entry in the rc.conf file on any FreeBSD box on which natd is being configured. Jason Spencer wrote: > > Suggestion for the next release: > > > > Change the NATD startup line in /etc/rc.network from "/sbin/natd > > -interface ed0" to rather take the natd interface from > > the /etc/rc.conf file instead of hardcoding it to ed0. > > This might not be a good idea. If you're using natd, you're > probably going to have more than one interface and the system > would have no way of knowing which one is which. > > Or maybe I'm just happy because my ed0 happens to be my > outside interface :) > > -j. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Kind Regards, Wim Olivier Principal Consultant - UNIX Systems Professional Services (Africa & Middle East) OSIRICOM Holdings (Pty) Ltd. - South Africa Mobile : +27 (0) 82 6553599 http://www.osiricom.co.za Tel : +27 11 802 7415 Fax : +27 11 802 5853 --------------27C6223CD52DB908E65710D1 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="wimo.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Wim Olivier Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="wimo.vcf" begin:vcard n:Olivier;Wim tel;cell:+27 (0) 82 655 3599 tel;fax:+27 (0) 11 802 5853 tel;work:+27 (0) 11 802 7415 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.osiricom.co.za org:Osiricom Holdings (Pty) Ltd.;Professional Services Division version:2.1 email;internet:wimo@osiricom.co.za title:Principal Consultant adr;quoted-printable:;;16 Ashwood Place=0D=0AMomentum Office Park=0D=0AWoodmead;Johannesburg;Gauteng;;South Africa note;quoted-printable:Osiricom's Professional Services Division is the de facto source=0D=0Afor Professional Services in Africa & the Middle East region.=0D=0A=0D=0AOperating Systems Specilization:=0D=0A=0D=0A * UNIX (all)=0D=0A * IBM AS/400 (including specialized printing solutions)=0D=0A * NT / Win2000=0D=0A * Tarantella & Citrix Server Based (Thin Client) Computing=0D=0A=0D=0AFor more information please e-mail info@osiricom.co.za fn:Wim Olivier end:vcard --------------27C6223CD52DB908E65710D1-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 6:55:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cx587235-a.chnd1.az.home.com (cx587235-a.chnd1.az.home.com [24.11.88.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B68037B4CF for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 06:55:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from whale.home-net (whale [192.168.1.2]) by cx587235-a.chnd1.az.home.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAOEtSa09737; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 07:55:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jjreynold@home.com) Received: (from jjreynold@localhost) by whale.home-net (8.11.1/8.11.0) id eAOEtSt97719; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 07:55:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jjreynold@home.com) From: John Reynolds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14878.33120.223311.391897@whale.home-net> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 07:55:28 -0700 (MST) To: wimo@osiricom.co.za Cc: FreeBSD-stable Subject: Re: Suggestion: NATD configuration in /etc/rc.network In-Reply-To: <3A1E59FC.E71456ED@osiricom.co.za> References: <3A1E1CAC.250A43A3@osiricom.co.za> <4315.129.128.23.67.975056087.squirrel@viaweb.epsb.net> <3A1E59FC.E71456ED@osiricom.co.za> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.7.1 Cc: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ On Friday, November 24, Wim Olivier wrote: ] > I'm running stock standard 4.0-RELEASE and ed2 is my external interface > in this case. > My suggestion stands, because rc.network should the the NATD interface > name from the > natd_interface="ed2" entry in the rc.conf file on any FreeBSD box on > which natd is being configured. > I think it does ... from a 4.1.1-STABLE /etc/rc.network: # Network Address Translation daemon # case ${natd_enable} in [Yy][Ee][Ss]) if [ -n "${natd_interface}" ]; then if echo ${natd_interface} | \ grep -q -E '^[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+$'; then natd_ifarg="-a ${natd_interface}" else natd_ifarg="-n ${natd_interface}" fi echo -n ' natd'; ${natd_program:-/sbin/natd} ${natd_flags} ${natd_ifarg} fi ;; esac Same exact thing exists in 4.2-STABLE's /etc/rc.network. It looks like it was that way in 4.0-RELEASE as well from scanning the CVS repos. -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= John Reynolds Chandler Capabilities Engineering, CDS, Intel Corporation jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com My opinions are mine, not Intel's. Running jjreynold@home.com FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE. FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://members.home.com/jjreynold/ Come join us!!! @ http://www.FreeBSD.org/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 7:26:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (ftp.golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6740D37B479 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 07:26:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AH9370.63.d1acf55c) with ESMTP id fmasaaaa for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 02:31:57 +1100 Message-ID: <3A1E88A0.7C9C6BA@quake.com.au> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 02:26:24 +1100 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-stable Subject: more ata0 problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am also getting those messages since cvsup'ing from 4.1R to 4.2S, on boot it spends around 30 seconds displaying this message 3 times: ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting ata0: resetting devices .. done then eventually gives a message about falling back to PIO mode and continues with the boot... I not sure if this is related but I also found that after mounting a floppy there was continued drive activity every 10 or so seconds.. And my boot floppy lost its data after being mounted... This was on my IBM laptop, and I have had no problems with any of the previous versions... It would seem there must be some bug in the ata driver? Cheers, Kal. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 8: 5:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.bna.bellsouth.net (mail2.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438F537B4CF for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:05:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from planetwe.com (adsl-63-164-15.bna.bellsouth.net [208.63.164.15]) by mail2.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id LAA21255 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:05:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A1E91B6.3040807@planetwe.com> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:05:10 -0600 From: Drew Sanford User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001107 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Update - 4.2 install hangs while booting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have had a chance to play with 4.2 now, having gotten it installed, and narrowed down some of the hardware problems that it could be. Here's a system rundown: Asus A7V rev 1.02; Duron 800 SBLive NetGear FA 310Tx 45 GB ATA100 IBM Deskstar as Master on Primary ATA100 32x ATAPI cd rom drive as Slave on Primary UDM33/66 When I boot the system with the Parallel port enabled in the bios, regardless of the specified IRQ or IO port in bios, I get this: ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold ppbus0: IEEE1284 device found /NIBBLE/ECP Probing for PnP devices on ppbus0: ppbus0: MLC, PCL, PML lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 and here the system will hang, for at least 25 minutes. Beyond that I figured it was usless to wait and see if anything would happen, and I lost pateince besides. Here's the dmesg output for the same system, same kernel, but with the parallel port disabled in the bios: lauasanf@colossus(~)$ dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE #3: Thu Nov 23 20:51:12 CST 2000 lauasanf@colossus.cotharyus.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/Colossus Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz Timecounter "TSC" frequency 807193223 Hz CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor (807.19-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x630 Stepping = 0 Features=0x183f9ff AMD Features=0xc0440000<,AMIE,DSP,3DNow!> real memory = 268353536 (262064K bytes) avail memory = 257773568 (251732K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc037c000. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled md0: Malloc disk npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pcib2: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib2 pci1: at 0.0 irq 11 isab0: at device 4.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xd800-0xd80f at device 4.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 uhci0: port 0xd400-0xd41f irq 5 at device 4.2 on pci0 usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: port 0xd000-0xd01f irq 5 at device 4.3 on pci0 usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub2: ALCOR Generic USB Hub, class 9/0, rev 1.10/1.00, addr 2 uhub2: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered dc0: <82c169 PNIC 10/100BaseTX> port 0xa400-0xa4ff mem 0xe0000000-0xe00000ff irq 7 at device 10.0 on pci0 dc0: Ethernet address: 00:a0:cc:40:93:80 miibus0: on dc0 ukphy0: on miibus0 ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto pcm0: port 0xa000-0xa01f irq 10 at device 11.0 on pci0 atapci1: port 0x8000-0x803f,0x8400-0x8403,0x8800-0x8807,0x9000-0x9003,0x9400-0x9407 mem 0xdf800000-0xdf81ffff irq 10 at device 17.0 on pci0 ata2: at 0x9400 on atapci1 pcib1: on motherboard pci2: on pcib1 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 sio1: type 16550A ppc0: parallel port not found. ata1-slave: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr ata1-slave: identify failed ata1-master: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr ata1-master: identify failed ad4: 43979MB [89355/16/63] at ata2-master UDMA100 acd0: CDROM at ata0-slave using PIO4 Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad4s1a Despite the ata errors, everything appears to work fine (including the SBLive!). The system is blazing fast (of course the system this is replacing was a dual 233MMX) and appears to be rock solid thus far. A make -j10 buildworld from X while running a make install on the nedit and xmms ports didn't phase it. The config for the kernel is included below. If anyone can come up with any reasons for the problem with the parallel port, and a solution that doesn't call for disabling the ATA100 controler I'll give it a shot. machine i386 #cpu I586_CPU cpu I686_CPU ident Colossus maxusers 32 #makeoptions DEBUG=-g #Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols options INET #InterNETworking options INET6 #IPv6 communications protocols options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options SOFTUPDATES #Enable FFS soft updates support options NFS #Network Filesystem options CD9660 #ISO 9660 Filesystem options CD9660_ROOT #CD-ROM usable as root, CD9660 required options PROCFS #Process filesystem options COMPAT_43 #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor options KTRACE #ktrace(1) support options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores options P1003_1B #Posix P1003_1B real-time extensions options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING options ICMP_BANDLIM #Rate limit bad replies options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev # To make an SMP kernel, the next two are needed #options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel #options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O device isa device eisa device pci # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata0 at isa? port IO_WD1 irq 14 device ata1 at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15 device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives options ATA_STATIC_ID #Static device numbering #options ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA #Enable DMA on ATAPI devices # SCSI devices needed for USB storage support device scbus # SCSI bus (required) device da # Direct Access (disks) # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1 device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 device vga0 at isa? # splash screen/screen saver pseudo-device splash # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? flags 0x100 # Enable this and PCVT_FREEBSD for pcvt vt220 compatible console driver #device vt0 at isa? #options XSERVER # support for X server on a vt console #options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor # If you have a ThinkPAD, uncomment this along with the rest of the PCVT lines #options PCVT_SCANSET=2 # IBM keyboards are non-std # Floating point support - do not disable. device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 # Serial (COM) ports device sio0 at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4 device sio1 at isa? port IO_COM2 irq 3 device sio2 at isa? disable port IO_COM3 irq 5 device sio3 at isa? disable port IO_COM4 irq 9 # Parallel port device ppc0 at isa? irq 7 device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) device lpt # Printer device ppi # Parallel port interface device #device vpo # Requires scbus and da # PCI Ethernet NICs. device de # DEC/Intel DC21x4x (``Tulip'') # PCI Ethernet NICs that use the common MII bus controller code. # NOTE: Be sure to keep the 'device miibus' line in order to use these NICs! device miibus # MII bus support device dc # DEC/Intel 21143 and various workalikes # Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocated. pseudo-device loop # Network loopback pseudo-device ether # Ethernet support pseudo-device tun # Packet tunnel. pseudo-device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) pseudo-device md # Memory "disks" pseudo-device gif 4 # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling pseudo-device faith 1 # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) # The `bpf' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! pseudo-device bpf #Berkeley packet filter # SB Live support device pcm # USB support device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface device usb # USB Bus (required) device ugen # Generic device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" device ukbd # Keyboard device ulpt # Printer device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da device ums # Mouse device uscanner # Scanners # USB Ethernet, requires mii device aue # ADMtek USB ethernet device cue # CATC USB ethernet device kue # Kawasaki LSI USB ethernet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 8:13:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bumper.jellybaby.net (bumper.jellybaby.net [194.159.247.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B434237B479 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:13:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from simond@localhost) by bumper.jellybaby.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id QAA49191; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 16:12:40 GMT (envelope-from simond) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 16:12:40 +0000 From: simond@irrelevant.org To: Drew Sanford Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Update - 4.2 install hangs while booting Message-ID: <20001124161240.D41148@irrelevant.org> References: <3A1E91B6.3040807@planetwe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3A1E91B6.3040807@planetwe.com>; from drew@planetwe.com on Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 10:05:10AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 10:05:10AM -0600, Drew Sanford wrote: > I have had a chance to play with 4.2 now, having gotten it installed, > and narrowed down some of the hardware problems that it could be. Here's > a system rundown: > > Asus A7V rev 1.02; Duron 800 > SBLive > NetGear FA 310Tx > 45 GB ATA100 IBM Deskstar as Master on Primary ATA100 > 32x ATAPI cd rom drive as Slave on Primary UDM33/66 > > When I boot the system with the Parallel port enabled in the bios, > regardless of the specified IRQ or IO port in bios, I get this: > > ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 > ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode > ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold > ppbus0: IEEE1284 device found /NIBBLE/ECP > Probing for PnP devices on ppbus0: > ppbus0: MLC, PCL, PML > lpt0: on ppbus0 > lpt0: Interupt-driven port > ppi0: on ppbus0 > > and here the system will hang, for at least 25 minutes. Beyond that I > figured it was usless to wait and see if anything would happen, and I > lost pateince besides. Here's the dmesg output for the same system, same > kernel, but with the parallel port disabled in the bios: I've had the same sort of thing happen to me sometimes on my A7V, that was with 4.1-STABLE, I've not had a chance to install 4.2 yet due to FreeBSD misdetecting my 20GB IBM drive as 2GB when using ATA66. Usually I found that just resetting the box after it hung there caused it to work on the next boot. > lauasanf@colossus(~)$ dmesg > ata1-slave: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr > ata1-slave: identify failed > ata1-master: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr > ata1-master: identify failed > ad4: 43979MB [89355/16/63] at ata2-master UDMA100 I get the same errors as these too (although sometimes they don't appear). I think that is just a "feature" of the Promise controller as it could be that which makes Windows pause ages while booting. Best of luck! -- Simon Dick simond@irrelevant.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 8:24:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B57F37B4CF for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:24:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13zLdu-000FBd-00; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 16:24:06 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.1/8.11.0) id eAOGN6W00987; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 17:23:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 17:23:06 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: simond@irrelevant.org Cc: Drew Sanford , stable@freebsd.org, "Rene 'Canyon' de Vries" Subject: Re: Update - 4.2 install hangs while booting Message-ID: <20001124172306.C517@freebie.demon.nl> References: <3A1E91B6.3040807@planetwe.com> <20001124161240.D41148@irrelevant.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20001124161240.D41148@irrelevant.org>; from simond@irrelevant.org on Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 04:12:40PM +0000 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 04:12:40PM +0000, simond@irrelevant.org wrote: > On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 10:05:10AM -0600, Drew Sanford wrote: > > I have had a chance to play with 4.2 now, having gotten it installed, > > and narrowed down some of the hardware problems that it could be. Here's > > a system rundown: > > > > Asus A7V rev 1.02; Duron 800 > > SBLive > > NetGear FA 310Tx > > 45 GB ATA100 IBM Deskstar as Master on Primary ATA100 > > 32x ATAPI cd rom drive as Slave on Primary UDM33/66 > > > > When I boot the system with the Parallel port enabled in the bios, > > regardless of the specified IRQ or IO port in bios, I get this: > > > > ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 > > ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode > > ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold > > ppbus0: IEEE1284 device found /NIBBLE/ECP > > Probing for PnP devices on ppbus0: > > ppbus0: MLC, PCL, PML > > lpt0: on ppbus0 > > lpt0: Interupt-driven port > > ppi0: on ppbus0 > > > > and here the system will hang, for at least 25 minutes. Beyond that I Will it also happen without printer or ppi? I've run the same A7V with a 700Mc Duron without ever seeing this. But we had no printer connected. > > figured it was usless to wait and see if anything would happen, and I > > lost pateince besides. Here's the dmesg output for the same system, same > > kernel, but with the parallel port disabled in the bios: > > I've had the same sort of thing happen to me sometimes on my A7V, that was > with 4.1-STABLE, I've not had a chance to install 4.2 yet due to FreeBSD > misdetecting my 20GB IBM drive as 2GB when using ATA66. Usually I found > that just resetting the box after it hung there caused it to work on the > next boot. > > > lauasanf@colossus(~)$ dmesg > > ata1-slave: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr > > ata1-slave: identify failed > > ata1-master: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr > > ata1-master: identify failed > > ad4: 43979MB [89355/16/63] at ata2-master UDMA100 > > I get the same errors as these too (although sometimes they don't appear). > I think that is just a "feature" of the Promise controller as it could > be that which makes Windows pause ages while booting. As we have a ATA66 disk we have it on the ATA66 controller, not on the ATA100. -- Wilko Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands wilko@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 8:32:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cielo.eece.unm.edu (cielo.eece.unm.edu [129.24.24.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C0AA37B479 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:32:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from jalapeno.eece.unm.edu ([129.24.24.88] helo=eece.unm.edu) by cielo.eece.unm.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #4) id 13zLm3-00027P-00; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:32:31 -0700 Received: (from dbader@localhost) by eece.unm.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id JAA08991; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:32:28 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:32:28 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011241632.JAA08991@eece.unm.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: jalapeno.eece.unm.edu: dbader set sender to dbader@eece.unm.edu using -f From: "David A. Bader" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: Aron Warren , Chuck Robey Subject: Re: make world problem with 4.2-R (work around) Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Regarding the problem I reported two days ago with "make buildworld" on 4.2-RELEASE, I removed my /usr/src completely and CVSup'ed 4.2-RELEASE again, but still have an internal compiler error at the same place (ncurses' alloc_entry.c). At the time, I was running 4.1-RELEASE on a Cyrix P166 processor. After many attempts to compile this file by hand, I found a hack to get it to work, but have absolutely no idea why this worked: % grep MAX_ENTRY_SIZE /usr/src/contrib/ncurses/include/tic.h #define MAX_ENTRY_SIZE 4096 /* maximum legal entry size */ % diff -u /usr/src/contrib/ncurses/ncurses/tinfo/alloc_entry.c-orig /usr/src/contrib/ncurses/ncurses/tinfo/alloc_entry.c --- /usr/src/contrib/ncurses/ncurses/tinfo/alloc_entry.c-orig Thu Nov 23 12:53:44 2000 +++ /usr/src/contrib/ncurses/ncurses/tinfo/alloc_entry.c Fri Nov 24 09:22:04 2000 @@ -122,7 +122,7 @@ _nc_wrap_entry(ENTRY * const ep) /* copy the string parts to allocated storage, preserving pointers to it */ { - int offsets[MAX_ENTRY_SIZE / 2], useoffsets[MAX_USES]; + int offsets[2048], useoffsets[MAX_USES]; int i, n; TERMTYPE *tp = &(ep->tterm); I successfully did a "make world", and installed a new 4.2 kernel: % uname -a FreeBSD bean.eece.unm.edu 4.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE #0: Thu Nov 23 22:12:05 MST 2000 root@bean.eece.unm.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BEAN4 i386 Again, I have no idea of the real cause of this problem. If anyone is curious, I could try to rebuild the 4.2-RELEASE /usr/src using the updated version of gcc installed with 4.2-R, and see if I still have the problem with alloc_entry.c I do not think that this is limited to "just me", but I found several other emails from folks trying to build 4.x-Releases who broke at this same point. -david -- David A. Bader, Ph.D. Office: 505-277-6724 Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering FAX: 505-277-1439 EECE Building University of New Mexico dbader@eece.unm.edu Albuquerque, NM 87131 http://www.eece.unm.edu/~dbader To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 8:41:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scorba.crt.com (scorba.crt.com [209.224.167.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2628037B4C5 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:41:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from frosty.il.nbgfn.com (frosty.il.nbgfn.com [10.216.34.242]) by scorba.crt.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eAOGfBv11369 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:41:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from chitmp05.nt.il.nbgfn.com (chitmp05.nt.il.nbgfn.com [10.216.18.34]) by frosty.il.nbgfn.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23033 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:41:11 -0600 (CST) From: mike.perik@bankofamerica.com Received: by chitmp05.nt.il.nbgfn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:41:08 -0600 Message-ID: To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: GCC 2.95.x with threads enabled Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:41:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm attempting to build JTC 1.0.13 and Orbacus 4.0.3 on a SMP (2x100 mhz) box. The first step is to build JTC but it needs a version of the compiler that has threads enabled. The default gcc does not have threads enabled so I poked around in the /usr/src/contrib directory and really got no where. I downloaded the source and was going to build it and install it into /usr/local. I finally got that finished but it still doesn't seem to have threads enabled in it. JTC/Orbacus checks for thread support by doing an nm on libgcc.a and grep'ing for 'thread'. I know I used the --enable-threads option on configure so I'm at a loss as to what is the problem. Has anybody else dealt with this? How did you resolve it? I'm running a 4.1 machine. and the gcc version is 2.95.2. Thanks, Mike Perik To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 8:52:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gatekeeper.veriohosting.com (gatekeeper.veriohosting.com [192.41.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F8637B4CF; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:52:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by gatekeeper.veriohosting.com; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:52:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown(192.168.1.7) by gatekeeper.veriohosting.com via smap (V3.1.1) id xma022703; Fri, 24 Nov 00 09:52:31 -0700 Received: from vespa.orem.iserver.com (vespa.orem.iserver.com [192.168.1.144]) by orca.orem.veriohosting.com [Verio Web Hosting, Inc. 801.437.0200] (8.8.8) id JAA17013; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:52:31 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:11:20 -0700 (MST) From: Fred Clift X-Sender: fred@vespa.orem.iserver.com To: Terry Lambert Cc: Fred Clift , opentrax@email.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-Reply-To: <200011240110.SAA05483@usr06.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > o An increasing number of BIOS will divide by 0 when they > > again, 30 seconds in fdisk fixes this > > This can be fixed, but hasn't been. All I do is use disklabel to tell me the number of sectors, take that value and stuff it into the 'length' field while changing the slice table with fdisk -u and then let fdisk automatically round to the nearest cylinder boundary. A couple of snippets from my custom install program (at this point I already know how many sectors/unit there are, from a previous disklable call...) char fdiskcommand[] = "/sbin/fdisk -u da%d < /tmp/fdisk.in"; if ((fo = fopen("/tmp/fdisk.in","w")) == NULL) fprintf(fo, "\n\n\n\ny\n\n\n%d\n\ny\n\ny\n",sectorsperunit); sprintf(buff,fdiskcommand,device); Note that this has been slightly altered from it's original form for brevity and that if there are mistakes in it, it's because I too heavily edited. Essentially, I just run fdisk -u and update the disklabel with the right value. It has nothing to do with 'fixing' fdisk, but rather, with understanding that hey, my hardware does want a valid slice table, so why not give it one... (I'd need to go back and check but I think this updates the geometry info to more valid settings too...) > > > > > > o The FreeBSD fake DOS partition table does not pass a > > > > number BIOS-based self-consistency checks (it needs to ... > > again, 30 seconds in fdisk fixes this > I don't agree with this one. There is a checksum that is not > valid against the FreeBSD created partition tablem regardless > of what you do with FreeBSD fdisk. Are you saying that there are bioses out there that store the checksum of the winX MBR and get grumpy if they dont find it? I guess it's theoretically possible, but I'd not belive it till I saw it... The same machine wouldn't run dr-dos, linux, os/2, beos, etc. I might understand a bios being confused about boot1 only using slice 4, or perhaps being confused that the MBR is _included_ in the only or active partition. It probably wouldn't be that big of a deal to switch to using slice 1, but I dont know if this would break other things. I personally haven't seen bioses that are confused by having a slice that contains the mbr, but that doesn't mean they dont exist. Just not on the hardware I play with... And again, it's usually pretty easy to tell if your hadware dislikes dedicated installs. If it works the first time, the system isn't going to mysteriously stop working because of it later... > > I have yet to see a reasonable justification as to why a DOS > partition table and MBR (or boot manager) causes any problems > that can't be overcome. So, aparently asthetics mean nothing to you? I personally get embarrassed by ugly code and kludges. I have yet to see you 'refute', as you say later in your mail, my arguments in another posting for the asthetic reasons that people might have. Aparently the comleliness of the solution to a problem provides no 'reasonable justification' to you. And really, I guess it's no big deal. I dont have a neatness fetish for my own code, but I know people who do. However, peoples sense of 'doing things the right way' is a valid reason to keep support for this in the code... I have no problem with making this less encouraged for newbies to try, for making it a bit harder to do inintial installs in dedicated mode. What I do have a problem with are people (not necessarily you, I'm to lazy to go back and re-read the whole thread again...) that seem to want to remove the ability to have this work even if you know what you're doing... I have already agreed that 'hey -- if you want to guarantee compatablity, then just do it with a valid slice table'. Howver,I disagree with people who say that that can't be a dedicated install. A dedicated install with a valid slice table is probably about as compatable with any random piece of hardware you pick up as a 'normal' install. Dont take me too seriously though... :) I'm pretty much a nobody in the FreeBSd world - just a very satisfied user who has fiddled with the part of the system a lot. Fred -- Fred Clift - fclift@verio.net -- Remember: If brute force doesn't work, you're just not using enough. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 9: 1: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tower.partan.com (tower.partan.com [198.6.255.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CADD37B4CF for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:00:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asp@localhost) by tower.partan.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28914; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:00:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:00:56 -0500 From: Andrew Partan To: Marty Fouts Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Files not touched by 'make buildworld' -- does this list look right? Message-ID: <20001124120056.A26159@partan.com> References: <52C41B218DE28244B071A1B96DD474F6280199@DC-SRVR1.dotcast.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <52C41B218DE28244B071A1B96DD474F6280199@DC-SRVR1.dotcast.com>; from marty@dotcast.com on Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 04:58:15PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 04:58:15PM -0800, Marty Fouts wrote: > I've got a system I use mainly as a gateway. I started with a 3.2 > distribution and have been keeping it up to date via cvsup and > buildworld/installworld. After installing 4.2-stable this way, I had some > time to kill after having cvsup-ed stable, and then building and installing > world and kernel, per /usr/src/UPDATING, so I thought I'd do an audit of > sorts to see what random bits were lying around undeleted. I started with 4.1.1 full install and did the same (cvsup & rebuild according to the handbook). There are lots of files that were not updated. Some seem to be ports (like X & linux) - it would be real nice to know exactly which ports are part of a full binary distribution. Some seem to be that parts of the source tree use "install -C" - even though I don't have this set in my /etc/make.conf. Some seem to be bugs - e.g.: the handbook's instructions on how to rebuild /stand only builds & installs /stand/sysinstall and not the rest of /stand. Some (like kerberos and maybe the "compat" shared libraries) are not set in /etc/defaults/make.conf. It would be real nice to know exactly what needs to be set in /etc/make.conf to remake the full distribution. How exactly do you rebuild the entire world via cvs & make? --asp@partan.com (Andrew Partan) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 9:32:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from roam.psg.com (unknown [206.163.43.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5361337B4C5 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:32:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from randy by roam.psg.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13zMiF-0001pT-00; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:32:39 -0800 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Blaz Zupan Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: RE: Re: WaveLAN PCI problem Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:32:39 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG run 3.5.1+PAO To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 11: 3:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ozz.freebsd.org.ru (ozz.etrust.ru [194.84.67.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47FAC37B4C5; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:03:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from osa@localhost) by ozz.freebsd.org.ru (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAOJ34L01054; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:03:04 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from osa) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:03:04 +0300 From: Sergey Osokin To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: stranges in threads implementation... possible bug? Message-ID: <20001124220303.A1027@freebsd.org.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! My friend find some stranges in FreeBSD threads implementation... Here is a "special" code: ===================================== #include #include #include #include #include #include #define Debug(x) printf x extern "C" { typedef void *(*_THR_C_FUNC)(void *args); } typedef void *(*_THR_FUNC)(void *args); /*-----------------------------------------------------------------*/ class Mutex { public: Mutex() { assert(::pthread_mutex_init(&this->lock_, 0) == 0); } ~Mutex (void) { assert(::pthread_mutex_destroy(&this->lock_)==0); } int acquire (void) { return ::pthread_mutex_lock(&this->lock_); } int release (void) { return ::pthread_mutex_unlock (&this->lock_); } pthread_mutex_t lock_; }; /*-----------------------------------------------------------------*/ class Condition { public: Condition (Mutex &m); ~Condition (void); int wait (void); void signal (void); protected: pthread_cond_t cond_; Mutex &mutex_; }; Condition::Condition (Mutex &m) : mutex_ (m) { assert (pthread_cond_init(&this->cond_, 0) == 0); } Condition::~Condition (void) { while(::pthread_cond_destroy(&this->cond_) == -1 && errno == EBUSY) { assert(::pthread_cond_broadcast(&this->cond_) == 0); #ifdef __linux__ ::sched_yield (); #else ::pthread_yield(); #endif } } int Condition::wait (void) { return ::pthread_cond_wait(&this->cond_, &this->mutex_.lock_); } void Condition::signal (void) { assert(::pthread_cond_signal(&this->cond_) == 0); } /*-----------------------------------------------------------------*/ class Guard { public: Guard (Mutex &l); ~Guard (void); private: Mutex *lock_; }; Guard::Guard (Mutex &l) : lock_ (&l) { this->lock_->acquire (); } Guard::~Guard (void) { this->lock_->release (); } /*-----------------------------------------------------------------*/ class _Base_Thread_Adapter { public: _Base_Thread_Adapter (_THR_FUNC user_func, void *arg); void *invoke (void); _THR_C_FUNC entry_point (void) { return entry_point_; } private: _THR_FUNC user_func_; void *arg_; _THR_C_FUNC entry_point_; }; extern "C" void * _thread_adapter (void *args) { _Base_Thread_Adapter *thread_args = (_Base_Thread_Adapter*)args; void *status = thread_args->invoke (); return status; } _Base_Thread_Adapter::_Base_Thread_Adapter (_THR_FUNC user_func, void *arg) : user_func_ (user_func), arg_ (arg), entry_point_ (_thread_adapter) { } void * _Base_Thread_Adapter::invoke (void) { void *(*func)(void *) = this->user_func_; void *arg = this->arg_; delete this; return func(arg); } /*-----------------------------------------------------------------*/ class SS { public: void spawn(); static void run(); static void *WThread( void *data ); }; /*---------------------------------------------------------------------*/ static Mutex CMutex; static Condition Cond(CMutex); static Mutex m1; /*---------------------------------------------------------------------*/ #define REL(m,n) assert(m.release() != -1) #define ACQ(m,n) assert(m.acquire() != -1) /*---------------------------------------------------------------------*/ void * SS::WThread( void *data ) { Cond.signal(); Debug(("run thread...\n")); SS::run(); Debug(("thread ended\n")); return NULL; } /*---------------------------------------------------------------------*/ int thr_create (_THR_FUNC func, void *args) { _Base_Thread_Adapter *thread_args; thread_args = new _Base_Thread_Adapter(func, args); pthread_attr_t attr; if (::pthread_attr_init (&attr) != 0) return -1; ::pthread_attr_setdetachstate(&attr, PTHREAD_CREATE_DETACHED); pthread_t thr_id; assert( ::pthread_create (&thr_id, &attr, thread_args->entry_point(), thread_args) == 0 ); ::pthread_attr_destroy (&attr); } /*---------------------------------------------------------------------*/ void SS::spawn() { #ifdef BAD int rc; Guard guard(m1); // !!! #else Guard guard(m1); // !!! int rc; #endif pthread_attr_t attr; if (::pthread_attr_init (&attr) != 0) return; ::pthread_attr_setdetachstate(&attr, PTHREAD_CREATE_DETACHED); thr_create(SS::WThread, (void *)0); ::pthread_attr_destroy (&attr); ACQ(CMutex, "CMutex"); rc = Cond.wait(); if( rc == -1 ) Debug(("Cond wait failed: %s\n", strerror(errno))); REL(CMutex, "CMutex"); } /*---------------------------------------------------------------------*/ void SS::run() { string s; // !!! string s1; // !!! sleep(1); } /*=====================================================================*/ static void sp_call(SS *ss) { string s; // !!! ss->spawn(); } /*------------------------------------------------------------------*/ int main(int argc, char **argv) { SS ss; sp_call(&ss); sleep(2); Debug(("Exitting...\n")); sleep(3); return 0; } ===================================== and here is is a makefile (use gmake for build): ===================================== Goal: bad good bad: tt.cpp $(CXX) -DBAD tt.cpp -pthread -g -o bad good: tt.cpp $(CXX) tt.cpp -pthread -g -o good ===================================== After build code, try run ./good and ./bad: ===================================== $ ./good run thread... thread ended Exitting... $ ./bad run thread... zsh: segmentation fault (core dumped) ./bad $ ===================================== Thats stranges work in FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #0: Wed Nov 22 19:25:46 MSK 2000 and FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #0: Wed Nov 22 01:23:44 MSK 2000 Any idea? Make send-pr? Sergey Osokin, osa@freebsd.org.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 11: 9:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pcnet1.pcnet.com (pcnet1.pcnet.com [204.213.232.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9094237B4C5 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:09:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from eischen@localhost) by pcnet1.pcnet.com (8.8.7/PCNet) id OAA06762; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:08:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:08:47 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Eischen To: mike.perik@bankofamerica.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: GCC 2.95.x with threads enabled In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 24 Nov 2000 mike.perik@bankofamerica.com wrote: > I'm attempting to build JTC 1.0.13 and Orbacus 4.0.3 on a SMP (2x100 mhz) > box. The first step is to build JTC but it needs a version of the compiler > that has threads enabled. The default gcc does not have threads enabled so > I poked around in the /usr/src/contrib directory and really got no where. I > downloaded the source and was going to build it and install it into > /usr/local. I finally got that finished but it still doesn't seem to have > threads enabled in it. JTC/Orbacus checks for thread support by doing an nm > on libgcc.a and grep'ing for 'thread'. I know I used the --enable-threads > option on configure so I'm at a loss as to what is the problem. > I think the threaded libgcc is libgcc_r.a, not libgcc.a. Try forcing JTC/Orbacus to check libgcc_r.a for thread. -- Dan Eischen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 11:12: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scorba.crt.com (scorba.crt.com [209.224.167.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E288937B4D7 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:11:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from frosty.il.nbgfn.com (frosty.il.nbgfn.com [10.216.34.242]) by scorba.crt.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eAOJBvv14284; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:11:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from chitmp05.nt.il.nbgfn.com (chitmp05.nt.il.nbgfn.com [10.216.18.34]) by frosty.il.nbgfn.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00630; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:11:57 -0600 (CST) From: mike.perik@bankofamerica.com Received: by chitmp05.nt.il.nbgfn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:11:57 -0600 Message-ID: To: eischen@vigrid.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: GCC 2.95.x with threads enabled Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:11:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Don't recall seeing a libgcc_r.a but I'll check it when I get home tonight. Thanks, Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Eischen [SMTP:eischen@vigrid.com] > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 1:09 PM > To: Perik, Mike > Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: GCC 2.95.x with threads enabled > > On Fri, 24 Nov 2000 mike.perik@bankofamerica.com wrote: > > I'm attempting to build JTC 1.0.13 and Orbacus 4.0.3 on a SMP (2x100 > mhz) > > box. The first step is to build JTC but it needs a version of the > compiler > > that has threads enabled. The default gcc does not have threads enabled > so > > I poked around in the /usr/src/contrib directory and really got no > where. I > > downloaded the source and was going to build it and install it into > > /usr/local. I finally got that finished but it still doesn't seem to > have > > threads enabled in it. JTC/Orbacus checks for thread support by doing > an nm > > on libgcc.a and grep'ing for 'thread'. I know I used the > --enable-threads > > option on configure so I'm at a loss as to what is the problem. > > > > I think the threaded libgcc is libgcc_r.a, not libgcc.a. Try > forcing JTC/Orbacus to check libgcc_r.a for thread. > > -- > Dan Eischen > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 11:29:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wooster.jumpdata.com (flimsy.lean.to [166.90.128.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A9D37B479 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:29:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from anand@localhost) by wooster.jumpdata.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAOJTaw23028 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:29:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anand) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:29:36 -0800 From: Anand Ranganathan To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: GCC 2.95.x with threads enabled Message-ID: <20001124112936.A22949@desktop.com> Reply-To: anand@desktop.com Mail-Followup-To: Anand Ranganathan , stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from mike.perik@bankofamerica.com on Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 10:41:00AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG mike.perik@bankofamerica.com quoth: > I'm attempting to build JTC 1.0.13 and Orbacus 4.0.3 on a SMP (2x100 mhz) > box. The first step is to build JTC but it needs a version of the compiler > that has threads enabled. The default gcc does not have threads enabled so > I poked around in the /usr/src/contrib directory and really got no where. I > downloaded the source and was going to build it and install it into > /usr/local. I finally got that finished but it still doesn't seem to have > threads enabled in it. JTC/Orbacus checks for thread support by doing an nm > on libgcc.a and grep'ing for 'thread'. I know I used the --enable-threads > option on configure so I'm at a loss as to what is the problem. > > Has anybody else dealt with this? How did you resolve it? > > I'm running a 4.1 machine. and the gcc version is 2.95.2. What you need is to compile with the -pthread option. See man gcc :) Anand -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 11:53:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scorba.crt.com (scorba.crt.com [209.224.167.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AEAC37B479 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:53:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from frosty.il.nbgfn.com (frosty.il.nbgfn.com [10.216.34.242]) by scorba.crt.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eAOJrev14853; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:53:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from chitmp05.nt.il.nbgfn.com (chitmp05.nt.il.nbgfn.com [10.216.18.34]) by frosty.il.nbgfn.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01278; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:53:40 -0600 (CST) From: mike.perik@bankofamerica.com Received: by chitmp05.nt.il.nbgfn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:53:40 -0600 Message-ID: To: anand@desktop.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: GCC 2.95.x with threads enabled Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:53:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I checked my system and didn't find a libgcc_r.a When configuring JTC for building a script gets run that does a : nm 'gcc -print-libgcc-file-name' | grep pthread if it doesn't find anything it won't continue on with the configuration. For now I'm just disabling the check and adding the -pthread argument to see if that will get arround the problem. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Anand Ranganathan [SMTP:anand@desktop.com] > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 1:30 PM > To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: GCC 2.95.x with threads enabled > > mike.perik@bankofamerica.com quoth: > > I'm attempting to build JTC 1.0.13 and Orbacus 4.0.3 on a SMP (2x100 > mhz) > > box. The first step is to build JTC but it needs a version of the > compiler > > that has threads enabled. The default gcc does not have threads enabled > so > > I poked around in the /usr/src/contrib directory and really got no > where. I > > downloaded the source and was going to build it and install it into > > /usr/local. I finally got that finished but it still doesn't seem to > have > > threads enabled in it. JTC/Orbacus checks for thread support by doing > an nm > > on libgcc.a and grep'ing for 'thread'. I know I used the > --enable-threads > > option on configure so I'm at a loss as to what is the problem. > > > > Has anybody else dealt with this? How did you resolve it? > > > > I'm running a 4.1 machine. and the gcc version is 2.95.2. > > What you need is to compile with the -pthread option. See man gcc :) > > Anand > -- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 11:57:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D7F37B4C5; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:57:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16311; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:56:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAFkaqYF; Fri Nov 24 12:56:03 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26658; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:57:03 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200011241957.MAA26658@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) To: fclift@verio.net (Fred Clift) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 19:57:02 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), fclift@verio.net (Fred Clift), opentrax@email.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Fred Clift" at Nov 24, 2000 10:11:20 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > > o The FreeBSD fake DOS partition table does not pass a > > > > > number BIOS-based self-consistency checks (it needs to > ... > > > again, 30 seconds in fdisk fixes this > > > I don't agree with this one. There is a checksum that is not > > valid against the FreeBSD created partition tablem regardless > > of what you do with FreeBSD fdisk. > > Are you saying that there are bioses out there that store the checksum of > the winX MBR and get grumpy if they dont find it? I guess it's > theoretically possible, but I'd not belive it till I saw it... The same > machine wouldn't run dr-dos, linux, os/2, beos, etc. I might understand a > bios being confused about boot1 only using slice 4, or perhaps being > confused that the MBR is _included_ in the only or active partition. It > probably wouldn't be that big of a deal to switch to using slice 1, but I > dont know if this would break other things. I personally haven't seen > bioses that are confused by having a slice that contains the mbr, but that > doesn't mean they dont exist. Just not on the hardware I play > with... And again, it's usually pretty easy to tell if your hadware > dislikes dedicated installs. If it works the first time, the system isn't > going to mysteriously stop working because of it later... It's a checksum. They include it in the "garbage" data n the area immediately following the DOS partition table. This means that they can just add their stuff in (_checksum_, not CRC) and balace the books, the same way the AA55 signature and everything before it is required to checksum to zero. > > I have yet to see a reasonable justification as to why a DOS > > partition table and MBR (or boot manager) causes any problems > > that can't be overcome. > > So, aparently asthetics mean nothing to you? You mean, if I have to choose between "it's pretty" and "it always works", do I cop out and choose "it always works"? ... > I personally get embarrassed by ugly code and kludges. I have > yet to see you 'refute', as you say later in your mail, my > arguments in another posting for the asthetic reasons that > people might have. I think that if you have a sense of aesthetics in this area, you would probably not be running on PC hardware. 8-). I look at the PC hardware, and the requirements it makes of the software that runs on it, as a quaint Swiss Chalet architecture. Now you have this modern family who is moving into the chalet they just bought, and they need another room because their family is really too big for a Swiss Chalet architecture building. When they add this room, should the home owners association force the addition to be in the same style as the rest of the chalet? Or should it let the family put up an addition using modern industrial cinderblock architecture? > Aparently the comleliness of the solution to a problem provides > no 'reasonable justification' to you. And really, I guess it's > no big deal. I dont have a neatness fetish for my own code, > but I know people who do. However, peoples sense of 'doing > things the right way' is a valid reason to keep support for this > in the code... On the contrary, all other things being equal, elegance should be the determining factor, IMO. But there is a reason that Frank LLoyd Wright never designed additions to houses, only whole ones: if you are adding to something that already exists, aesthetics _demands_ that you constrain your soloution to one that fits with the existing system of constraints already in place. In its own way, using DOS partition tables _is_ elegant. It fits with the existing system; it ensures that things work as they are supposed to; it eliminates an entire class of support problems; it enables the use of an entire class of tools which can not otherwise be used; it makes knowledge of the system layout more standard, and therefore renders skills more transferrable and more marketable; it reduces the amount of code needed to deal with variant installations; it makes FreeBSD more accessible to new users. All of these things are good things. If you are partivcularly bigoted against ideas inherited from Microsoft, too bad. If your complaint is about the antiquated C/H/S values, well, I will remind you that there is a 32 bit sector offset field, which has been filled out by DOS fdisk since after DOS 2.11, which you can (and should) use instead. > I have no problem with making this less encouraged for newbies > to try, for making it a bit harder to do inintial installs in dedicated > mode. What I do have a problem with are people (not necessarily you, I'm > to lazy to go back and re-read the whole thread again...) that seem to > want to remove the ability to have this work even if you know what you're > doing... You can always do this with your own tools. The question is whether it should be allowed in sysinstall. So far, it has been nothing but trouble. I think the accessibility to new users is probably the number one consideration. The more likely we are to destroy an existing FS on a user's system, the less likely they are going to be to try FreeBSD, or stick with it, once they have tried it. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 12:35:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hawkwind.ncsa.uiuc.edu (hawkwind.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.22.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265F637B4D7 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:35:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from koziol@localhost) by hawkwind.ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAOKYxr70905 for stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:34:59 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from koziol) Message-Id: <200011242034.eAOKYxr70905@hawkwind.ncsa.uiuc.edu> Subject: Losing ATA channel? In-Reply-To: <200011242023.eAOKNBX04308@titangames.com> "from Quincey Koziol at Nov 24, 2000 02:23:11 pm" To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:34:59 -0600 (CST) From: koziol@ncsa.uiuc.edu Reply-To: koziol@ncsa.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL74 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Howdy, I'm having problems with my machine locating it's second hard drive. I've got the first hard drive and IDE ZIP drive on my first IDE channel (master and slave, respectively) and a CD-ROM as the master on my second IDE channel. I've got the second hard drive as the master on the Highpoint ATA66 controller, but every time I try to mount it with "mount /data", mount whines about "Device not configured". About two month ago I started having problems with the drive, but didn't have a chance to look into it until now. I'm running 4.2-STABLE as of November 22nd. From my dmesg output (attached below), it looks like there should be four ata devices, but only ata1-3 are being attached to my controllers and the first HPT366 is being skipped over. Here's the fstab which used to work: # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/ad0s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/ad0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad0s1f /usr ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1e /var ufs rw 2 2 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 /dev/acd0c /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/afd0c /zip ufs rw,noauto 0 0 /dev/ad4s1e /data ufs rw 2 2 It looks like the ata code might not be quite right yet... Thanks, Quincey koziol@ncsa.uiuc.edu > Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #0: Wed Nov 22 10:04:05 CST 2000 > root@clearwater.titangames.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CLEARWATER > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz > CPU: Pentium II/Pentium II Xeon/Celeron (467.73-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x665 Stepping = 5 > Features=0x183fbff > real memory = 201326592 (196608K bytes) > avail memory = 193097728 (188572K bytes) > Programming 24 pins in IOAPIC #0 > IOAPIC #0 intpin 2 -> irq 0 > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard > cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 > cpu1 (AP): apic id: 1, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 > io0 (APIC): apic id: 2, version: 0x00170011, at 0xfec00000 > Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02d0000. > VESA: v3.0, 16384k memory, flags:0x1, mode table:0xc027f222 (1000022) > VESA: NVidia > Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled > md0: Malloc disk > npx0: on motherboard > npx0: INT 16 interface > pcib0: on motherboard > pci0: on pcib0 > pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 > pci1: on pcib1 > isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 > isa0: on isab0 > atapci0: port 0xf000-0xf00f at device 7.1 on pci0 > ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 > ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 > pci0: at 7.2 irq 10 > Timecounter "PIIX" frequency 3579545 Hz > chip1: port 0x5000-0x500f at device 7.3 on pci0 > pci0: at 9.0 irq 19 > atapci1: port 0xdc00-0xdcff,0xd800-0xd803,0xd400-0xd407 irq 18 at device 19.0 on pci0 > atapci2: port 0xe800-0xe8ff,0xe400-0xe403,0xe000-0xe007 irq 18 at device 19.1 on pci0 > ata3: at 0xe000 on atapci2 > ep0: <3Com 3C509-TPC EtherLink III> at port 0x300-0x30f irq 10 on isa0 > ep0: Ethernet address 00:60:97:57:48:79 > fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 > fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold > fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 > atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 > kbd0 at atkbd0 > psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 > psm0: model VersaPad, device ID 0 > vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 > sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 > sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> > sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 > sio0: type 16550A > sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 > sio1: type 16550A > ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 > ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode > lpt0: on ppbus0 > lpt0: Interrupt-driven port > APIC_IO: Testing 8254 interrupt delivery > APIC_IO: routing 8254 via IOAPIC #0 intpin 2 > SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! > ad0: 3337MB [6780/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 > afd0: 96MB [32/64/96] at ata0-slave using PIO0 > acd0: CDROM at ata1-master using PIO3 > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 13: 5:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.bsag.ch (ns.bsag.ch [195.246.88.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2631D37B479 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:05:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hpr@localhost) by ns.bsag.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) id WAA04507 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:05:06 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:05:06 +0100 From: Hanspeter Roth Bsag To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: not waiting for SCSI devices Message-ID: <20001124220506.A4147@bs11.bsag.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, After making installkernel the new kernel doesn't wait for the Scsi devices to settle any more an hence dosen't recognise the Scsi device `da' any more. What's wrong? -Hanspeter -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 13:25:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rrlhcmal1001.lhc.redrivernet.com (rrlhcmal1001.lhc.redrivernet.com [206.162.75.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2A137B4CF for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:25:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [216.173.151.65] by rrlhcmal1001.redrivernet.com (NTMail 5.06.0016/NU7672.00.74189ec7) with ESMTP id gtqeebaa for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:25:03 -0700 Message-ID: <3A1EDCCA.267A6FD3@techie.com> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:25:30 -0700 From: Janet Sullivan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ata0 problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was getting ad0: WRITE command timeout errors on a Quantum drive & ASUS TX97 mobo regularly. I switched the drive to pio mode, which stopped the error messages, but a couple weeks later the drive died completely (won't even spin up). I'd say that if anyone is seeing WRITE command timeout errors it might be a good time to stick the drive in pio mode and make a backup "just in case". ;-) Thierry.Herbelot@alcatel.fr wrote: > > Hello, > > I also have seen it with 4.1-R and 4.1.1-R with a BX motherboard : in my case, it's most likely > due to bad hard disks (which the ata(4) driver is using with all performance options "ON") > > TfH > > Grigoriy Strokin on 24/11/2000 08:37:08 > > > > To: "Corey G." > > cc: Michael , > freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG(bcc: Thierry > HERBELOT/FR/ALCATEL) > > > > Subject: Re: ata0 problems > > > I haven't tried FreeBSD 4.2 yet, but I had > this problem in 4.0 and 4.1, and described > it in http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=17643. > > The problem report has been recently closed > with the reason: > Problems with the VIA 586 chipset should be fixed in 4.2 and later > > So it seems it should be re-opened? > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 07:24:01PM -0600, Corey G. wrote: > > I saw the same error tonight. (if it is an error). > > > > FreeBSD 4.2 > > AMD K62-450 > > ATA-66 - Maxtor Drive > > > > ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting > > ata0: resetting devices .. done > > ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting > > ata0: resetting devices .. done > > > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 06:30:11PM +0000, Michael wrote: > > > Hello > > > I have problems in FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE > > > > > > > > > Nov 23 09:49:53 lucky /kernel: ata0: resetting devices .. done > > > Nov 23 09:50:44 lucky /kernel: ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - > > > resetting > > > > > > regards, Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > ---end quoted text--- > > > > -- > > Best Regards, > > Corey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 13:38:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from citusc17.usc.edu (citusc17.usc.edu [128.125.38.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9532137B4CF for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:38:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc17.usc.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAOLdVM58674; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:39:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:39:31 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Marty Fouts Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Files not touched by 'make buildworld' -- does this list look rig ht? Message-ID: <20001124133930.A53983@citusc17.usc.edu> References: <52C41B218DE28244B071A1B96DD474F6280199@DC-SRVR1.dotcast.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <52C41B218DE28244B071A1B96DD474F6280199@DC-SRVR1.dotcast.com>; from marty@dotcast.com on Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 04:58:15PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 04:58:15PM -0800, Marty Fouts wrote: > /.cshrc > /.profile > /COPYRIGHT > /boot/defaults/loader.conf > /boot/kernel.conf > /boot/loader.4th > /boot/loader.conf > /boot/loader.help > /boot/loader.rc > /boot/support.4th > /root/.cshrc > /root/.history > /root/.klogin > /root/.login > /root/.profile Mergemaster does some of these. Others are local files not under control of the upgrade process. > /stand/* /usr/src/release/sysinstall > /usr/bin/btreeop > /usr/bin/gctags > /usr/bin/global > /usr/bin/gtags > /usr/bin/htags > /usr/bin/systags > /usr/lib/libRSAglue.a > /usr/lib/libRSAglue.so@ > /usr/lib/libRSAglue.so.1 > /usr/lib/libRSAglue_p.a > /usr/lib/libc.so.3 > /usr/lib/libc_r.so.3 > /usr/lib/librsaUSA.a > /usr/lib/librsaUSA.so@ > /usr/lib/librsaUSA.so.1 > /usr/lib/librsaUSA_p.a > /sbin/modload > /sbin/modunload > /usr/sbin/kvm_mkdb > /usr/sbin/named-bootconf > /modules/atapi.ko > /modules/lkm.ko These are old files no longer part of FreeBSD. Can be safely removed. > /usr/lib/compat/* Only installed if you enable the option in /etc/make.conf Kris --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjoe4BIACgkQWry0BWjoQKVL9QCgiXkWJzwRFEzULZIXaQVt1Nyu rSsAn35+56/gmXBI7Wq/M2fHphVMirqU =IRWH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 14: 5: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from citusc17.usc.edu (citusc17.usc.edu [128.125.38.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0341B37B4CF; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:05:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc17.usc.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAOM5xi61812; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:05:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:05:58 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Otter Cc: Jorge Filipe Andrade , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Security Advisories at FreeBSD 4.2? Message-ID: <20001124140558.B59742@citusc17.usc.edu> References: <20001123132851.A36019@citusc17.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from otterr@telocity.com on Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 09:57:58PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 09:57:58PM -0500, Otter wrote: > when/if they are announced, you can find them if you read: > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.2-RELEASE/ERRATA.TXT Actually, we don't usually update the errata when security advisories are released. There are too many other things to do. I should remove the text from there and replace it with a pointer to the list on the website. Kris --cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjoe5kYACgkQWry0BWjoQKUF8QCeLZrDVWIXJxhcDnuZvAV//HFG iFwAn1bC6Wm/KBOTlgCWj7IWi/xjLvk+ =5WQB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 14:13: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.bna.bellsouth.net (mail2.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFCF37B4CF for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:13:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from planetwe.com (adsl-63-164-15.bna.bellsouth.net [208.63.164.15]) by mail2.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id RAA21863; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 17:11:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A1EE783.2080200@planetwe.com> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 16:11:15 -0600 From: Drew Sanford User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001107 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: simond@irrelevant.org, stable@freebsd.org, "Rene 'Canyon' de Vries" Subject: Re: Update - 4.2 install hangs while booting References: <3A1E91B6.3040807@planetwe.com> <20001124161240.D41148@irrelevant.org> <20001124172306.C517@freebie.demon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Will it also happen without printer or ppi? > Yes. The configuration of the kernel doesn't seem to matter, as long as the kernel is looking for a parallel port, and the parallel port is there, it freezes. This applies for both with and without the printer. I had initially hoped that hooking the printer up to the parallel port might put a stop to this. I'm considering trying to use the printer via USB. Anyone had any luck with that? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 15: 2: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF7F37B4D7 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 15:02:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAON1xQ44231; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 16:01:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA55495; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 16:01:58 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011242301.QAA55495@harmony.village.org> To: Randy Bush Subject: Re: WaveLAN PCI problem Cc: Blaz Zupan , FreeBSD Stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:32:39 PST." References: Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 16:01:58 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Randy Bush writes: : run 3.5.1+PAO I wasn't aware that PAO had full PCI interrupt routing. Does it? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 15:20:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.west.se (unknown [194.52.130.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669A837B4CF for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 15:20:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from west.se (bashful [192.168.0.14]) by mail.west.se (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAONJws87396; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 00:19:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bjorn.tornqvist@west.se) Message-ID: <3A1EF7D9.1618CCA@west.se> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 00:20:57 +0100 From: Bjorn Tornqvist Organization: West AB X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sergey Osokin Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: stranges in threads implementation... possible bug? References: <20001124220303.A1027@freebsd.org.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG std::string is not threadsafe in the STL shipped with FreeBSD (gcc 2.95.2), so, what probably happens is that the string destructor being invoked in sp_call after the spawn interfers with the string allocations in the thread. Try the program without strings. Solution? Upgrade to gcc-2.97 (/usr/ports/lang/gcc-devel) and then compile with eg++ -pthread -D_THREAD_SAFE A note about 2.97 however; operator{==|!=|etc)(string, const char*) doesn't work for empty const char* strings, like this: works not: string hello="hello"; if (hello != "") // operator!=() fails to catch this else // and instead goes here. works: if (hello != string("")) ... Hope this helps for you, and please let me know otherwise. Greetings, Bjorn Sergey Osokin wrote: > > Hello! > My friend find some stranges in FreeBSD threads implementation... > Here is a "special" code: [SNIP] > void > SS::run() > { > string s; // !!! > string s1; // !!! > sleep(1); > } > > /*=====================================================================*/ > static void sp_call(SS *ss) > { > string s; // !!! > ss->spawn(); > } To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 15:26:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nietzsche.webcaribe.net (unknown [209.88.252.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B48837B479 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 15:26:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from nietzsche.webcaribe.net (nietzsche.webcaribe.net [209.88.252.106] (may be forged)) by nietzsche.webcaribe.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA90357 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:23:53 GMT (envelope-from operador@nietzsche.webcaribe.net) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:23:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Operador del sistema To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Upgrade problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, i use freebsd-3.4 and i want to update the system to -stable using cvsup. This is the cvsup file: tag=RELENG_3 *default host=cvsup2.freebsd.org *default prefix=/usr *default base=/usr/local/etc/cvsup *default release=cvs delete use-rel-suffix compress src-base src-bin src-contrib src-etc src-gnu src-include src-kerberosIV src-lib src-libexec src-release src-sbin src-share src-sys src-tools src-usrbin src-usrsbin doc-all cvs-crypto When i try to run cvsup, this error is shown: #cvsup -L 2 /usr/local/etc/supfile Parsing supfile "/usr/local/etc/supfile" Release not specified for collection "tag=RELENG_3" I want to know what is the error and if my supfile is well written. ********************************************** WebCaribe: La presencia Web de la costa caribe Departamento de sistemas Calle 81 # 67 - 36 Local 2 Barranquilla - Colombia Tel:5-3789671 3789167 http://www.webcaribe.net ********************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 15:31:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.west.se (unknown [194.52.130.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A2037B4D7 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 15:31:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from west.se (bashful [192.168.0.14]) by mail.west.se (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAONVes87563; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 00:31:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bjorn.tornqvist@west.se) Message-ID: <3A1EFA97.F5AFFEF8@west.se> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 00:32:39 +0100 From: Bjorn Tornqvist Organization: West AB X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sergey Osokin , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: stranges in threads implementation... possible bug? References: <20001124220303.A1027@freebsd.org.ru> <3A1EF7D9.1618CCA@west.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Correction: eg++ -pthread -D__STL_PTHREADS is what works for me. Bjorn Tornqvist wrote: > eg++ -pthread -D_THREAD_SAFE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 15:35: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E311337B479 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 15:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from platinum.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.37] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.169 #1) id 13zSMn-0007f5-00; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:34:53 +0000 Received: (from ben@localhost) by platinum.scientia.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAONYqm67028; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:34:52 GMT (envelope-from ben) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:34:52 +0000 From: Ben Smithurst To: Operador del sistema Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade problem Message-ID: <20001124233452.A11726@platinum.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Operador del sistema wrote: > using cvsup. This is the cvsup file: > tag=RELENG_3 This should say *default tag=RELENG_3 > doc-all that should say doc-all tag=. to override the default RELENG_3 tag. > cvs-crypto I'm not sure you need that, as the crypto rules have been relaxed a bit. I know that if you cvsup src-all you get everything you need. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 15:36:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from westhost15.westhost.net (westhost15.westhost.net [216.71.84.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3233937B479 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 15:36:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from beast (h0020af68b314.ne.mediaone.net [24.91.189.27]) by westhost15.westhost.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA27079; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 17:39:51 -0600 From: "Paul A. Howes" To: "Operador del sistema" , Subject: RE: Upgrade problem Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:34:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG All you should have to do is modify the "tag" line to read: *default tag=RELENG_3 Also, unless you're trying to save on disk space, you can replace all of the lines beginning with "src-..." with the single line, "src-all". This will grab everything from the repository. For example: *default tag=RELENG_3 *default host=cvsup2.freebsd.org *default prefix=/usr *default base=/usr/local/etc/cvsup *default release=cvs delete use-rel-suffix compress src-all doc-all cvs-crypto -- Paul A. Howes pahowes@fair-ware.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Operador del sistema Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 1:24 PM To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Upgrade problem Hi, i use freebsd-3.4 and i want to update the system to -stable using cvsup. This is the cvsup file: tag=RELENG_3 *default host=cvsup2.freebsd.org *default prefix=/usr *default base=/usr/local/etc/cvsup *default release=cvs delete use-rel-suffix compress src-base src-bin src-contrib src-etc src-gnu src-include src-kerberosIV src-lib src-libexec src-release src-sbin src-share src-sys src-tools src-usrbin src-usrsbin doc-all cvs-crypto When i try to run cvsup, this error is shown: #cvsup -L 2 /usr/local/etc/supfile Parsing supfile "/usr/local/etc/supfile" Release not specified for collection "tag=RELENG_3" I want to know what is the error and if my supfile is well written. ********************************************** WebCaribe: La presencia Web de la costa caribe Departamento de sistemas Calle 81 # 67 - 36 Local 2 Barranquilla - Colombia Tel:5-3789671 3789167 http://www.webcaribe.net ********************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 16:23:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from reticent.troll.no (reticent.troll.no [213.203.59.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 92CDD37B4CF for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 16:23:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 78847 invoked by uid 1001); 25 Nov 2000 00:23:10 -0000 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; charset="iso-8859-1"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_M21KDOZ62Z1NZQIHW23T" From: Bradley T.Hughes Organization: Trolltech AS To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: pthreads implementation on 4.2-RELEASE Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 01:23:10 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00112501231000.63250@reticent.troll.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --------------Boundary-00=_M21KDOZ62Z1NZQIHW23T Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Recursive mutexes on 4.2-RELEASE are completely broken. see the attached program (gcc -pthread -o blah blah.c) -- -- Bradley T. 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Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00112501231000.63250@reticent.troll.no>; from bhughes@trolltech.com on Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 01:23:10AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Bradley T.Hughes [001124 16:24] wrote: > Recursive mutexes on 4.2-RELEASE are completely broken. see the attached > program (gcc -pthread -o blah blah.c) Please upgrade to -stable, it should have been fixed sometime right after the release. sorry, -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 16:37: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from roam.psg.com (unknown [206.163.43.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 745CE37B479 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 16:36:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from randy by roam.psg.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13zTL4-0001ul-00; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 16:37:10 -0800 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Warner Losh Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: WaveLAN PCI problem References: <200011242301.QAA55495@harmony.village.org> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 16:37:10 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> run 3.5.1+PAO > I wasn't aware that PAO had full PCI interrupt routing. Does it? whoops! sorry. i looked at the old config and it was the isa, not pci, card. randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 18: 3:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ctlsgg02.ctlsg.creaf.com (unknown [203.127.170.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8BB4937B479 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from twchan.singnet.com.sg ([198.95.44.209]) by ctlsgg02.ctlsg.creaf.com (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) with SMTP id 482569A2.000B45F6; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:03:08 +0800 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001125095303.00a4f950@pop.singnet.com.sg> X-Sender: twchan@pop.singnet.com.sg (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:54:04 +0800 To: stable@freebsd.org From: Chan Tur Wei Subject: Re: Update - 4.2 install hangs while booting In-Reply-To: <3A1E91B6.3040807@planetwe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, What about booting verbose to see if there's additional info for the developers to look at? Regards -T.W.Chan- At 10:05 AM 11/24/2000 -0600, Drew Sanford wrote: >I have had a chance to play with 4.2 now, having gotten it installed, and narrowed down some of the hardware problems that it could be. Here's a system rundown: > >Asus A7V rev 1.02; Duron 800 >SBLive >NetGear FA 310Tx >45 GB ATA100 IBM Deskstar as Master on Primary ATA100 >32x ATAPI cd rom drive as Slave on Primary UDM33/66 > >When I boot the system with the Parallel port enabled in the bios, regardless of the specified IRQ or IO port in bios, I get this: > >ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 >ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode >ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold >ppbus0: IEEE1284 device found /NIBBLE/ECP >Probing for PnP devices on ppbus0: >ppbus0: MLC, PCL, PML >lpt0: on ppbus0 >lpt0: Interupt-driven port >ppi0: on ppbus0 > >and here the system will hang, for at least 25 minutes. Beyond that I figured it was usless to wait and see if anything would happen, and I lost pateince besides. Here's the dmesg output for the same system, same kernel, but with the parallel port disabled in the bios: > >lauasanf@colossus(~)$ dmesg >Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. >Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. >FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE #3: Thu Nov 23 20:51:12 CST 2000 > lauasanf@colossus.cotharyus.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/Colossus >Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz >Timecounter "TSC" frequency 807193223 Hz >CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor (807.19-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x630 Stepping = 0 >Features=0x183f9ff > AMD Features=0xc0440000<,AMIE,DSP,3DNow!> >real memory = 268353536 (262064K bytes) >avail memory = 257773568 (251732K bytes) >Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc037c000. >Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled >md0: Malloc disk >npx0: on motherboard >npx0: INT 16 interface >pcib0: on motherboard >pci0: on pcib0 >pcib2: at device 1.0 on pci0 >pci1: on pcib2 >pci1: at 0.0 irq 11 >isab0: at device 4.0 on pci0 >isa0: on isab0 >atapci0: port 0xd800-0xd80f at device 4.1 on pci0 >ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 >ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 >uhci0: port 0xd400-0xd41f irq 5 at device 4.2 on pci0 >usb0: on uhci0 >usb0: USB revision 1.0 >uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 >uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered >uhci1: port 0xd000-0xd01f irq 5 at device 4.3 on pci0 >usb1: on uhci1 >usb1: USB revision 1.0 >uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 >uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered >uhub2: ALCOR Generic USB Hub, class 9/0, rev 1.10/1.00, addr 2 >uhub2: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered >dc0: <82c169 PNIC 10/100BaseTX> port 0xa400-0xa4ff mem 0xe0000000-0xe00000ff irq 7 at device 10.0 on pci0 >dc0: Ethernet address: 00:a0:cc:40:93:80 >miibus0: on dc0 >ukphy0: on miibus0 >ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto >pcm0: port 0xa000-0xa01f irq 10 at device 11.0 on pci0 >atapci1: port 0x8000-0x803f,0x8400-0x8403,0x8800-0x8807,0x9000-0x9003,0x9400-0x9407 mem 0xdf800000-0xdf81ffff irq 10 at device 17.0 on pci0 >ata2: at 0x9400 on atapci1 >pcib1: on motherboard >pci2: on pcib1 >atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 >atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 >kbd0 at atkbd0 >psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 >psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 >vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 >sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 >sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> >sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 >sio0: type 16550A >sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 >sio1: type 16550A >ppc0: parallel port not found. >ata1-slave: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr >ata1-slave: identify failed >ata1-master: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr >ata1-master: identify failed >ad4: 43979MB [89355/16/63] at ata2-master UDMA100 >acd0: CDROM at ata0-slave using PIO4 >Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad4s1a > >Despite the ata errors, everything appears to work fine (including the SBLive!). The system is blazing fast (of course the system this is replacing was a dual 233MMX) and appears to be rock solid thus far. A make -j10 buildworld from X while running a make install on the nedit and xmms ports didn't phase it. The config for the kernel is included below. If anyone can come up with any reasons for the problem with the parallel port, and a solution that doesn't call for disabling the ATA100 controler I'll give it a shot. > >machine i386 >#cpu I586_CPU >cpu I686_CPU >ident Colossus >maxusers 32 > >#makeoptions DEBUG=-g #Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols > >options INET #InterNETworking >options INET6 #IPv6 communications protocols >options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem >options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] >options SOFTUPDATES #Enable FFS soft updates support >options NFS #Network Filesystem >options CD9660 #ISO 9660 Filesystem >options CD9660_ROOT #CD-ROM usable as root, CD9660 required >options PROCFS #Process filesystem >options COMPAT_43 #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] >options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console >options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor >options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor >options KTRACE #ktrace(1) support >options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory >options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues >options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores >options P1003_1B #Posix P1003_1B real-time extensions >options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING >options ICMP_BANDLIM #Rate limit bad replies >options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev > ># To make an SMP kernel, the next two are needed >#options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel >#options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O > >device isa >device eisa >device pci > ># ATA and ATAPI devices >device ata0 at isa? port IO_WD1 irq 14 >device ata1 at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15 >device ata >device atadisk # ATA disk drives >device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives >options ATA_STATIC_ID #Static device numbering >#options ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA #Enable DMA on ATAPI devices > ># SCSI devices needed for USB storage support >device scbus # SCSI bus (required) >device da # Direct Access (disks) ># atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse >device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD >device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1 >device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 > >device vga0 at isa? > ># splash screen/screen saver >pseudo-device splash > ># syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console >device sc0 at isa? flags 0x100 > ># Enable this and PCVT_FREEBSD for pcvt vt220 compatible console driver >#device vt0 at isa? >#options XSERVER # support for X server on a vt console >#options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor ># If you have a ThinkPAD, uncomment this along with the rest of the PCVT lines >#options PCVT_SCANSET=2 # IBM keyboards are non-std > ># Floating point support - do not disable. >device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 > ># Serial (COM) ports >device sio0 at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4 >device sio1 at isa? port IO_COM2 irq 3 >device sio2 at isa? disable port IO_COM3 irq 5 >device sio3 at isa? disable port IO_COM4 irq 9 > ># Parallel port >device ppc0 at isa? irq 7 >device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) >device lpt # Printer >device ppi # Parallel port interface device >#device vpo # Requires scbus and da > > ># PCI Ethernet NICs. >device de # DEC/Intel DC21x4x (``Tulip'') > ># PCI Ethernet NICs that use the common MII bus controller code. ># NOTE: Be sure to keep the 'device miibus' line in order to use these NICs! >device miibus # MII bus support >device dc # DEC/Intel 21143 and various workalikes > ># Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocated. >pseudo-device loop # Network loopback >pseudo-device ether # Ethernet support >pseudo-device tun # Packet tunnel. >pseudo-device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) >pseudo-device md # Memory "disks" >pseudo-device gif 4 # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling >pseudo-device faith 1 # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) > ># The `bpf' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. ># Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! >pseudo-device bpf #Berkeley packet filter > ># SB Live support >device pcm > ># USB support >device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface >device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface >device usb # USB Bus (required) >device ugen # Generic >device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" >device ukbd # Keyboard >device ulpt # Printer >device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da >device ums # Mouse >device uscanner # Scanners ># USB Ethernet, requires mii >device aue # ADMtek USB ethernet >device cue # CATC USB ethernet >device kue # Kawasaki LSI USB ethernet > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 18:42:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pcnet1.pcnet.com (pcnet1.pcnet.com [204.213.232.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6DE37B479 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:42:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from eischen@localhost) by pcnet1.pcnet.com (8.8.7/PCNet) id VAA28298; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 21:42:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 21:42:05 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Eischen To: "Bradley T.Hughes" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pthreads implementation on 4.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <00112501231000.63250@reticent.troll.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Bradley T.Hughes wrote: > Recursive mutexes on 4.2-RELEASE are completely broken. see the attached > program (gcc -pthread -o blah blah.c) Yes, I know. The fix was committed to the 4.2 branch 1 day after the release tag was laid down. CVSup and try again. -- Dan Eischen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 18:54:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from poseidon.cannoncreek.com (unknown [216.252.208.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B90737B4CF for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:54:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from nomad (nomad.cannoncreek.com [192.168.0.69]) by poseidon.cannoncreek.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA32336; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:54:59 +0800 (PHT) (envelope-from marsattack@cannoncreek.com) Message-ID: <006301c0568d$25feb1c0$4500a8c0@nomad> From: "Mars Attack" To: "Janet Sullivan" , References: <3A1EDCCA.267A6FD3@techie.com> Subject: Re: ata0 problems Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 11:09:30 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I was getting ad0: WRITE command timeout errors on a Quantum drive & > ASUS TX97 mobo regularly. I switched the drive to pio mode, which > stopped the error messages, but a couple weeks later the drive died > completely (won't even spin up). I'd say that if anyone is seeing WRITE > command timeout errors it might be a good time to stick the drive in pio > mode and make a backup "just in case". ;-) > Try upgrading to 4.2-Stable. If you already have, you might want to address your concerns to Soren, the ATA guru sos@freebsd.dk. There were some problems with the code for ATA-UDMA 66 drives. There was even a problem that went on for 2 months about UDMA-66 set as slave; but it's fixed in 4.2R as far as I can tell on my machines. see http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=22634 > Thierry.Herbelot@alcatel.fr wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I also have seen it with 4.1-R and 4.1.1-R with a BX motherboard : in my case, it's most likely > > due to bad hard disks (which the ata(4) driver is using with all performance options "ON") > > > > TfH > > > > Grigoriy Strokin on 24/11/2000 08:37:08 > > > > > > > > To: "Corey G." > > > > cc: Michael , > > freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG(bcc: Thierry > > HERBELOT/FR/ALCATEL) > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: ata0 problems > > > > > > I haven't tried FreeBSD 4.2 yet, but I had > > this problem in 4.0 and 4.1, and described > > it in http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=17643. > > > > The problem report has been recently closed > > with the reason: > > Problems with the VIA 586 chipset should be fixed in 4.2 and later > > > > So it seems it should be re-opened? > > > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 07:24:01PM -0600, Corey G. wrote: > > > I saw the same error tonight. (if it is an error). > > > > > > FreeBSD 4.2 > > > AMD K62-450 > > > ATA-66 - Maxtor Drive > > > > > > ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting > > > ata0: resetting devices .. done > > > ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting > > > ata0: resetting devices .. done > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 06:30:11PM +0000, Michael wrote: > > > > Hello > > > > I have problems in FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE > > > > > > > > > > > > Nov 23 09:49:53 lucky /kernel: ata0: resetting devices .. done > > > > Nov 23 09:50:44 lucky /kernel: ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - > > > > resetting > > > > > > > > regards, Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > ---end quoted text--- > > > > > > -- > > > Best Regards, > > > Corey > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > Cheers .marz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 20:21:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C63C37B479; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:21:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA13532; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:21:15 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-81.max1.wa.cyberlynk.net(207.227.118.81) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma013412; Fri Nov 24 22:20:43 2000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20001124215544.00a9e330@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:19:30 -0600 To: Ben Smithurst , Operador del sistema From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Upgrade problem Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20001124233452.A11726@platinum.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 11:34 PM 11/24/00 +0000, Ben Smithurst wrote: > > cvs-crypto > >I'm not sure you need that, as the crypto rules have been relaxed a bit. >I know that if you cvsup src-all you get everything you need. share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile cvs-crypto was folded into cvs-all in early July, so src-all includes the 4 crypto collections (crypto|eBones|secure|sys-crypto). This might be more of what he was looking for: *default host=cvsup10.FreeBSD.org *default base=/usr *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs delete use-rel-suffix compress *default tag=RELENG_4 src-base src-bin src-contrib src-etc #src-games src-gnu src-include #src-kerberos5 src-kerberosIV src-lib src-libexec src-release src-sbin src-share src-sys src-tools src-usrbin src-usrsbin src-crypto #src-eBones src-secure src-sys-crypto tag=. doc-all #www #ports-all Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 22:24:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from arcticbears.com (cr762385-b.poco1.bc.wave.home.com [24.112.114.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC8A37B4C5 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:24:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from CR762385C [24.113.4.109] by arcticbears.com [24.112.114.174] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:23:19 -0800 Message-ID: <00d701c056a8$46918410$6d047118@arcticbears.com> From: "Eric Paynter" To: Subject: ../../conf/files: x must be optional, mandatory or standard Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:23:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D4_01C05665.365A7F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Return-Path: eric@arcticbears.com X-MDRcpt-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-MDRemoteIP: 24.113.4.109 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01C05665.365A7F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all! I just finished a binary upgrade from 4.1 to 4.2 from the iso and all = went well! Now, I'm trying to recompile my kernel and I'm having a = problem. When I run /usr/sbin/config from within = /usr/src/sys/i386/conf, it returns ../../conf/files: coda/coda_fbsd.c = must be optional, mandatory, or standard. When I look in = ../../conf/files, I see that there are many lines with "count" in place = of "optional". My assumption is that I missed something when updating my = sources, since I've never seen this before. My CVSup file requests the following sources: doc_all ports_all src_base src_include src_lib src_sys src_sys_crypto I'm not a kernel guru; usually I just remove the lines for drivers I = don't need from the conf file and recompile. I don't know what the files = in ../../conf are and I would also like some pointers to documentation = about them. I read the man for config and it was completely unhelpful. = Also, the FBSD Handbook doesn't get into that much detail about kernel = recompiles...=20 =20 Thanks for any help! =20 -Eric ------------------------------------------------------- arctic bears - the internet - your way. 50000 domain names were reserved today. was yours? domains from US$25/year, name resolution, mail hosting. http://www.arcticbears.com =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01C05665.365A7F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all!
 
I just finished a = binary upgrade=20 from 4.1 to 4.2 from the iso and all went well! Now, I'm trying to = recompile my=20 kernel and I'm having a problem. When I run /usr/sbin/config = <myconfig>=20 from within /usr/src/sys/i386/conf, it returns ../../conf/files:=20 coda/coda_fbsd.c must be optional, mandatory, or standard. When I look = in=20 ../../conf/files, I see that there are many lines with "count" in place = of=20 "optional". My assumption is that I missed something when updating my = sources,=20 since I've never seen this before.
 
My CVSup file = requests the=20 following sources:
 
doc_all
ports_all
src_base
src_include
src_lib
src_sys
src_sys_crypto
 
I'm not a kernel = guru; usually I=20 just remove the lines for drivers I don't need from the conf file and = recompile.=20 I don't know what the files in ../../conf are and I would also like some = pointers to documentation about them. I read the man for config and it = was=20 completely unhelpful. Also, the FBSD Handbook doesn't get into that much = detail=20 about kernel recompiles...
 
Thanks for any = help!
 
-Eric

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------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01C05665.365A7F40-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 22:41:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from 2711.dynacom.net (2711.dynacom.net [206.107.213.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F9837B4CF for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:41:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from urx.com (dsl1-160.dynacom.net [206.159.132.160]) by 2711.dynacom.net (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09139; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:41:47 -0800 Message-ID: <3A1F5F2B.2AB0FE61@urx.com> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:41:47 -0800 From: Kent Stewart Reply-To: kstewart@urx.com Organization: Dynacom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Paynter Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ../../conf/files: x must be optional, mandatory or standard References: <00d701c056a8$46918410$6d047118@arcticbears.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Eric Paynter wrote: > > Hi all! > > I just finished a binary upgrade from 4.1 to 4.2 from the iso and > all went well! Now, I'm trying to recompile my kernel and I'm having > a problem. When I run /usr/sbin/config from within > /usr/src/sys/i386/conf, it returns ../../conf/files: > coda/coda_fbsd.c must be optional, mandatory, or standard. When I > look in ../../conf/files, I see that there are many lines with > "count" in place of "optional". My assumption is that I missed > something when updating my sources, since I've never seen this > before. > > My CVSup file requests the following sources: > > doc_all > ports_all > src_base > src_include > src_lib > src_sys > src_sys_crypto > > I'm not a kernel guru; usually I just remove the lines for drivers I > don't need from the conf file and recompile. I don't know what the > files in ../../conf are and I would also like some pointers to > documentation about them. I read the man for config and it was > completely unhelpful. Also, the FBSD Handbook doesn't get into that > much detail about kernel recompiles... I saw your email this morning and all I could think of that I wouldn't have done it this way. If all you are going to do is run a release, I would have done a src-all with a tag=RELENG_4_2_0_RELEASE. The doc-all and port-all need a "tag=.". You can do it doc-all tag=. but I prefer to do it on a different cvsup since I capture the log from a system cvsup but not for the ports or docs. I also wouldn't run a release. I follow the 4-stable or RELENG_4 tree. Kent > > Thanks for any help! > > -Eric > > ------------------------------------------------------- > arctic bears - the internet - your way. > 50000 domain names were reserved today. was yours? > domains from US$25/year, name resolution, mail hosting. > http://www.arcticbears.com > > -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 22:47: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from citusc17.usc.edu (citusc17.usc.edu [128.125.38.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5E837B4D7 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:47:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc17.usc.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAP6m3m79563; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:48:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:48:02 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Eric Paynter Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ../../conf/files: x must be optional, mandatory or standard Message-ID: <20001124224802.A79531@citusc17.usc.edu> References: <00d701c056a8$46918410$6d047118@arcticbears.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00d701c056a8$46918410$6d047118@arcticbears.com>; from eric@arcticbears.com on Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 10:23:46PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 10:23:46PM -0800, Eric Paynter wrote: > I just finished a binary upgrade from 4.1 to 4.2 from the iso and > all went well! Now, I'm trying to recompile my kernel and I'm having > a problem. When I run /usr/sbin/config from within > /usr/src/sys/i386/conf, it returns ../../conf/files: > coda/coda_fbsd.c must be optional, mandatory, or standard. When I > look in ../../conf/files, I see that there are many lines with > "count" in place of "optional". My assumption is that I missed > something when updating my sources, since I've never seen this > before. Sounds like you actually upgraded to 5.0-CURRENT. Please post your entire cvsupfile. Kris --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjofYKIACgkQWry0BWjoQKX+XACfTdC3gkzfNMNKmSshmH6CVEi+ RCoAoPTJhOPe2bF0EviZ64Mv7QgqpLGD =d+0w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 23:21:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777A537B479 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:21:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jon@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27192 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 18:19:08 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 18:19:04 +1100 From: Jonathan Michaels To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: howto: cvs for minimum space freebsd server (Re: Upgrade problem) Message-ID: <20001125181903.A27076@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Reply-To: jon@welearn.com.au Mail-Followup-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Paul A. Howes on Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 06:34:34PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 06:34:34PM -0500, Paul A. Howes wrote: > All you should have to do is modify the "tag" line to read: > > *default tag=RELENG_3 > > Also, unless you're trying to save on disk space, you can replace all of the > lines beginning with "src-..." with the single line, "src-all". This will > grab everything from the repository. For example: > > *default tag=RELENG_3 > *default host=cvsup2.freebsd.org > *default prefix=/usr > *default base=/usr/local/etc/cvsup > *default release=cvs delete use-rel-suffix compress > src-all > doc-all > cvs-crypto i currently run (and have done so fro, er since v2.0.5-release) -release versions. now that the cost of freebsd release cds has gone through the roof for me it might be cheaper fo follow -stable. my question is, what would a be required (in teh cvs file) to keep a minimum workable (web, mail, news, nfs, and small office internet gateway). also, teh servers hard disk has minimum space available (350 mb all up). second part of my question is, are thier any cvs servers in australia ... preferably teh east coast (sydney would be nice). with regards and thanks jonathan (finally moving to -stable, maybe) -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 23:38:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from arcticbears.com (cr762385-b.poco1.bc.wave.home.com [24.112.114.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9943537B479 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:38:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from CR762385C [24.113.4.109] by arcticbears.com [24.112.114.174] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:36:20 -0800 Message-ID: <013d01c056b2$79dc1dd0$6d047118@arcticbears.com> From: "Eric Paynter" To: "Kris Kennaway" Cc: References: <00d701c056a8$46918410$6d047118@arcticbears.com> <20001124224802.A79531@citusc17.usc.edu> Subject: Re: ../../conf/files: x must be optional, mandatory or standard Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:36:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Return-Path: eric@arcticbears.com X-MDRcpt-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-MDRemoteIP: 24.113.4.109 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Here it is. Note that while I was trying to figure out what the release was called, I tried RELENG_4_2_RELEASE and RELENG_4. Also, at one time I had src-all, but it was taking so long to get the contrib stuff that I killed it. Maybe I should "rm -r /usr/src" and start again? Thanks for the help. *default host=cvsup8.FreeBSD.org *default base=/usr *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs *default tag=RELENG_4_2_0_RELEASE *default delete use-rel-suffix *default tag=. doc-all ports-all src-base src-include src-lib src-sys src-sys-crypto ------------------------------------------------------- arctic bears - the internet - your way. 50000 domain names were reserved today. was yours? domains from US$25/year, name resolution, mail hosting. http://www.arcticbears.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Kennaway" To: "Eric Paynter" Cc: Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 10:48 PM Subject: Re: ../../conf/files: x must be optional, mandatory or standard On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 10:23:46PM -0800, Eric Paynter wrote: > I just finished a binary upgrade from 4.1 to 4.2 from the iso and > all went well! Now, I'm trying to recompile my kernel and I'm having > a problem. When I run /usr/sbin/config from within > /usr/src/sys/i386/conf, it returns ../../conf/files: > coda/coda_fbsd.c must be optional, mandatory, or standard. When I > look in ../../conf/files, I see that there are many lines with > "count" in place of "optional". My assumption is that I missed > something when updating my sources, since I've never seen this > before. Sounds like you actually upgraded to 5.0-CURRENT. Please post your entire cvsupfile. Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Nov 24 23:54: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from citusc17.usc.edu (citusc17.usc.edu [128.125.38.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3185737B479 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:53:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc17.usc.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAP7srS91314; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:54:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:54:53 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Eric Paynter Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ../../conf/files: x must be optional, mandatory or standard Message-ID: <20001124235453.C88283@citusc17.usc.edu> References: <00d701c056a8$46918410$6d047118@arcticbears.com> <20001124224802.A79531@citusc17.usc.edu> <013d01c056b2$79dc1dd0$6d047118@arcticbears.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Sr1nOIr3CvdE5hEN" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <013d01c056b2$79dc1dd0$6d047118@arcticbears.com>; from eric@arcticbears.com on Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 11:36:51PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Sr1nOIr3CvdE5hEN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 11:36:51PM -0800, Eric Paynter wrote: > Here it is. Note that while I was trying to figure out what the release w= as > called, I tried RELENG_4_2_RELEASE and RELENG_4. Also, at one time I had > src-all, but it was taking so long to get the contrib stuff that I killed > it. Maybe I should "rm -r /usr/src" and start again? Thanks for the help. >=20 > *default host=3Dcvsup8.FreeBSD.org > *default base=3D/usr > *default prefix=3D/usr > *default release=3Dcvs > *default tag=3DRELENG_4_2_0_RELEASE > *default delete use-rel-suffix > *default tag=3D. There we go. You've overridden the RELENG_4_2_0_RELEASE tag with '.', which means "get the head of the CVS tree", a.k.a 5.0-CURRENT. You probably wanted this: > *default host=3Dcvsup8.FreeBSD.org > *default base=3D/usr > *default prefix=3D/usr > *default release=3Dcvs > *default tag=3DRELENG_4_2_0_RELEASE > *default delete use-rel-suffix > src-base > src-include > src-lib > src-sys > src-sys-crypto > > *default tag=3D. > doc-all > ports-all which says "get the most recent version of doc-all and ports-all, but keep my sources at 4.2-RELEASE" Kris --Sr1nOIr3CvdE5hEN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjofcE0ACgkQWry0BWjoQKW1fACfay0vCv1Bd4Kok67rH2BISV8V MC8AoOGSkHFGpSqc2e0UnaJTC1HxNpwA =KA6c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sr1nOIr3CvdE5hEN-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 0:41:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from yez.hyperreal.org (3ff8f8da.dsl.flashcom.net [63.248.248.218]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C071637B4C5 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 00:41:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 78184 invoked by uid 1000); 25 Nov 2000 08:41:33 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Nov 2000 08:41:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 00:41:33 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Behlendorf X-Sender: brian@localhost To: Kal Torak Cc: FreeBSD-stable Subject: Re: more ata0 problems In-Reply-To: <3A1E88A0.7C9C6BA@quake.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Kal Torak wrote: > ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting > ata0: resetting devices .. done [..] > This was on my IBM laptop, and I have had no problems with any of > the previous versions... > It would seem there must be some bug in the ata driver? I suspect that it's a matter of a new diagnostic suddenly causing people to think there's a new error present, when they simply didn't see it before. I started seeing it when I did an upgrade a month ago too, and thought it was an error, before I realized I really WAS having drive problems. The only other explanation is that the ata driver is somehow causing these new errors to appear, but I consider that unlikely; since getting a new hard drive (same model, same machine, etc) I'm not seeing the errors, and the old hard drive died hard (unable to even boot now) not something I'd suspect the ata driver of causing. Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 1:24:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (ftp.golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B679137B4CF for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 01:24:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AH9370.63.d1acf55c) with ESMTP id sqasaaaa for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 20:30:25 +1100 Message-ID: <3A1F855E.AC1135BC@quake.com.au> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 20:24:46 +1100 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Behlendorf Cc: FreeBSD-stable Subject: Re: more ata0 problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brian Behlendorf wrote: > > On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Kal Torak wrote: > > ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting > > ata0: resetting devices .. done > [..] > > This was on my IBM laptop, and I have had no problems with any of > > the previous versions... > > It would seem there must be some bug in the ata driver? > > I suspect that it's a matter of a new diagnostic suddenly causing people > to think there's a new error present, when they simply didn't see it > before. I started seeing it when I did an upgrade a month ago too, and > thought it was an error, before I realized I really WAS having drive > problems. The only other explanation is that the ata driver is somehow > causing these new errors to appear, but I consider that unlikely; since > getting a new hard drive (same model, same machine, etc) I'm not seeing > the errors, and the old hard drive died hard (unable to even boot now) not > something I'd suspect the ata driver of causing. Yeah I would agree except that it only happens in udma mode, PIO mode dosent generate any errors at all... Am I supposed to use my udma disks in PIO mode? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 3:38:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gatekeeper.radio-do.de (gatekeeper.Radio-do.de [193.101.164.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F65437B4C5 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 03:38:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from trinity.radio-do.de (trinity.Radio-do.de [193.101.164.3]) by gatekeeper.radio-do.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E8D187AB; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:38:33 +0100 (CET) Received: (from fn@localhost) by trinity.radio-do.de (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAPBcX141316; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:38:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from fn@gatekeeper.radio-do.de) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:38:33 +0100 From: Frank Nobis To: mike.perik@bankofamerica.com Cc: anand@desktop.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: GCC 2.95.x with threads enabled Message-ID: <20001125123832.B41252@radio-do.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from mike.perik@bankofamerica.com on Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 01:53:36PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 01:53:36PM -0600, mike.perik@bankofamerica.com wrote: > I checked my system and didn't find a libgcc_r.a > > When configuring JTC for building a script gets run that does a : > > nm 'gcc -print-libgcc-file-name' | grep pthread > Try nm `gcc -print-file-name=libgcc_r.a` | grep pthread Gruss Frank -- ~/.signature not found: wellknown error 42 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 3:40:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gate.imamod.ru (su01.kiam.ru [194.226.58.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4CE337B479 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 03:40:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gate.imamod.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id OAA15680 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 14:39:55 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from mk@mk.pp.ru) Received: from mk.pp.ru (mk.home [192.168.2.1]) by ermine.pp.ru (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAPBLW454351 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 14:21:32 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from mk@mk.pp.ru) Message-ID: <3A1FA0A6.D291DA9B@mk.pp.ru> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 14:21:10 +0300 From: "Dmitry E. Karasev" Reply-To: mk@mk.pp.ru X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Stable Maillist Subject: Strange things in 4.2-STABLE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! It appeared after upgrade to 4.2-STABLE (cvsupped yeasterday (24/11/2000)). All was OK in 4.1.1-STABLE. However, serial ports appear to work. MB is Abit KA7-100 sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 sio1: type 16550A And I have some questions: 1. Are there any plans to support bass and treble controls in SB Live!, as it was for AWE32, for example? 2. What about hardware monitoring on VIA chipsets - can it be used in FreeBSD? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 6: 6:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hse-toronto-ppp119263.sympatico.ca (HSE-Toronto-ppp260651.sympatico.ca [64.230.28.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E730637B4CF for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 06:06:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 95631 invoked by uid 0); 25 Nov 2000 14:11:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jester) (10.0.0.101) by hse-toronto-ppp260651.sympatico.ca with SMTP; 25 Nov 2000 14:11:26 -0000 Message-ID: <007e01c05766$8b5b48b0$6500000a@jester> From: "Rod Taylor" To: Subject: Fstab issues... Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 21:05:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007B_01C05723.7D164FE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C05723.7D164FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While playing around I managed to fully erase /etc/fstab (on purpose = actually :). Anyhow, on a reboot something rather mistifying happened. It was = obvious that it wouldn't be able to find any devices to mount, and = mounted the / partition read only. Now, the strange thing is that I was = unable to mount / for write (mount /dev/ad0s1a /) without first creating = an fstab file with a fixit disk. I certainly don't believe this is expected as in 2.2.x I seem to = remember having the ability to create fstab if it was killed. As to why I deleted it, I was going to CVS /etc on some production boxes = and wanted to know what the worst case scenario would be if there was a = crash before the initial checkout. The results were using a fixit = floppy. Can this be rectified to not make mount depend on /etc/fstab existing? ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C05723.7D164FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
While playing around I managed to fully = erase=20 /etc/fstab (on purpose actually :).
 
Anyhow, on a reboot something rather = mistifying=20 happened.  It was obvious that it wouldn't be able to find any = devices to=20 mount, and mounted the / partition read only.  Now, the strange = thing is=20 that I was unable to mount / for write (mount /dev/ad0s1a /) without = first=20 creating an fstab file with a fixit disk.
 
I certainly don't believe this is = expected as in=20 2.2.x I seem to remember having the ability to create fstab if it was=20 killed.
 
 
As to why I deleted it, I was going to = CVS /etc on=20 some production boxes and wanted to know what the worst case scenario = would be=20 if there was a crash before the initial checkout.  The results were = using a=20 fixit floppy.
 
Can this be rectified to not make mount = depend on=20 /etc/fstab existing?
------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C05723.7D164FE0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 6:42:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from be-well.ilk.org (lowellg.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.184.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D90837B479 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 06:42:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from lowell@localhost) by be-well.ilk.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAPEgJB04054; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:42:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lowell) From: Lowell Gilbert To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Organization: n/a Subject: Re: another perl problem ? References: <8vh6er$10j6$1@FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw> Date: 25 Nov 2000 09:42:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk's message of "23 Nov 2000 03:23:07 +0800" Message-ID: <44snogqfjq.fsf@lowellg.ne.mediaone.net> Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk (Jamie Heckford) writes: > I had the same problem. > > Defining NOPERL= true > in /etc/defaults/make.conf seemed to solve it for me.. A less drastic workaround was committed within the last couple of days. [making chmod available in installworld] > On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, you wrote: > > > Hello. > > > > > > Well.. somebody knows how I can solve this ? (I get this error in "make > > > installworld"): > > > chmod:No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 6:59: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5EC37B4C5 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 06:58:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sdn-ar-002azphoeP175.dialsprint.net (sdn-ar-013azphoeP302.dialsprint.net [63.180.3.40]) by merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA27170; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 06:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from win95.sung.org (win95.Sung.org [192.168.255.2]) by sdn-ar-002azphoeP175.dialsprint.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAPEwkX75984; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 06:58:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cwsung@Sung.org) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001125075505.0464d4f0@sung.org> X-Sender: web714e9@sung.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 07:58:40 -0700 To: Operador del sistema From: Christian Sung Subject: Re: Upgrade problem Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Try this... *default host=cvsup2.FreeBSD.org *default base=/usr/local/etc/cvsup *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_3 *default delete use-rel-suffix src-all doc-all and if you also want to update your ports collection, add this line at the end... ports-all tag=. -christian At 06:23 PM 11/24/00 +0000, Operador del sistema wrote: >Hi, i use freebsd-3.4 and i want to update the system to -stable >using cvsup. This is the cvsup file: >tag=RELENG_3 >*default host=cvsup2.freebsd.org >*default prefix=/usr >*default base=/usr/local/etc/cvsup >*default release=cvs delete use-rel-suffix compress >src-base >src-bin >src-contrib >src-etc >src-gnu >src-include >src-kerberosIV >src-lib >src-libexec >src-release >src-sbin >src-share >src-sys >src-tools >src-usrbin >src-usrsbin >doc-all >cvs-crypto > >When i try to run cvsup, this error is shown: >#cvsup -L 2 /usr/local/etc/supfile >Parsing supfile "/usr/local/etc/supfile" >Release not specified for collection "tag=RELENG_3" > >I want to know what is the error and if my supfile is well written. > >********************************************** >WebCaribe: La presencia Web de la costa caribe >Departamento de sistemas >Calle 81 # 67 - 36 Local 2 >Barranquilla - Colombia >Tel:5-3789671 3789167 http://www.webcaribe.net >********************************************** > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 7: 3:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from be-well.ilk.org (lowellg.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.184.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D690B37B479 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 07:03:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from lowell@localhost) by be-well.ilk.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAPF3K204405; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:03:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lowell) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ntpdate and date fail to change clock by more than 1 second... References: <8vml5e$moe@dispatch.concentric.net> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 25 Nov 2000 10:03:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: "news.cncdsl.com"'s message of "24 Nov 2000 21:04:46 GMT" Message-ID: <44n1eoqeko.fsf@lowellg.ne.mediaone.net> Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "news.cncdsl.com" writes: > I have a fresh cvsup, make world and kernel from 4.2-S. > > Whenever I try to change the date using 'ntpdate' or even 'date' it doesn't > change my clock although the output seems ok: > > mls2:~ -12:56:45- # ntpdate tick.cs.unlv.edu > 23 Nov 12:56:48 ntpdate[6352]: step time server 131.216.16.9 > offset -6859.012166 sec > > At the same time, /var/log/messages shows the following line: > > Time adjustment clamped to -1 second > > The only think new I've noticed while booting since this box was installed > is: > > Raising kernel security level > kern.securelevel: -1 -> 2 > > Are these related? How do I fix this? Yes, they are related. In elevated securelevels, you are not allowed to change the system clock (reasons left as exercise for the reader). Change your rc.conf to not elevate your securelevel, or reboot every time you want to adjust your clock (and do the adjustment at startup; if you enable the automatic boot-time ntpdate (ntpdate_enable), this should occur *before* the securelevel is raised. Good luck. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 7:46:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nietzsche.webcaribe.net (unknown [209.88.252.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230FA37B4D7 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 07:46:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from nietzsche.webcaribe.net (nietzsche.webcaribe.net [209.88.252.106] (may be forged)) by nietzsche.webcaribe.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA93598 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:43:55 GMT (envelope-from operador@nietzsche.webcaribe.net) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:43:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Operador del sistema To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Upgrade kernel Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, our principal server runs freebsd-3.4, it recives a hdlc internet line using a et5025-16 board (etinc.com). In order to set up the board on freebsd, etinc.com provides a driver depending on each kernel version. Mine is 3.4 version. here it's the dmesg part: ET/5025(-16,PQ),ET/HSSI HDLC Driver v3.16-beta eth0 at 0x240-0x24f irq 5 maddr 0xd0000 on isa I would like to know what will happens when i will try to "make world" to the -stable code?, I mean, how existent driver will be added to new kernel code? Please, i really appreciate your help, this is a "productive" box and we cant stop the internet line. best regards, ********************************************** WebCaribe: La presencia Web de la costa caribe Departamento de sistemas Calle 81 # 67 - 36 Local 2 Barranquilla - Colombia Tel:5-3789671 3789167 http://www.webcaribe.net ********************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 8: 6:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hawkwind.ncsa.uiuc.edu (hawkwind.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.22.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED30537B4CF for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 08:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from koziol@localhost) by hawkwind.ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAPG6PF41111; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:06:25 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from koziol) Message-Id: <200011251606.eAPG6PF41111@hawkwind.ncsa.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Losing ATA channel? In-Reply-To: <20001124194437.B14254@stat.Duke.EDU> "from Sean O'Connell at Nov 24, 2000 07:44:37 pm" To: "Sean O'Connell" Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:06:25 -0600 (CST) Cc: stable@freebsd.org From: koziol@ncsa.uiuc.edu Reply-To: koziol@ncsa.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL74 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Sean, Here's the ATA section of my kernel config: # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata0 at isa? port IO_WD1 irq 14 device ata1 at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15 device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives options ATA_STATIC_ID #Static device numbering I've been running stable on this machine for quite a while and the drive the /data partition is on was working fine until about two months ago and then started getting the timeout messages that people have been mentioning lately. I unmounted it then and haven't had the time to take a look into it until recently. I have MAKEDEV'd ad3, ad3s1a, ad4 and ad4s1a, so the device should be configured properly. It definitely looks like the first HPT366 channel is not being attached to an ata channel and subsequently, my drive is being missed... (Not 100% certain the two are related though) Thanks for your help, Quincey > : I'm having problems with my machine locating it's second hard drive. > :I've got the first hard drive and IDE ZIP drive on my first IDE channel (master > :and slave, respectively) and a CD-ROM as the master on my second IDE channel. > :I've got the second hard drive as the master on the Highpoint ATA66 controller, > :but every time I try to mount it with "mount /data", mount whines about "Device > :not configured". About two month ago I started having problems with the drive, > :but didn't have a chance to look into it until now. I'm running 4.2-STABLE as > :of November 22nd. > : From my dmesg output (attached below), it looks like there should be four > :ata devices, but only ata1-3 are being attached to my controllers and the > :first HPT366 is being skipped over. > : Here's the fstab which used to work: > : > : # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# > : /dev/ad0s1b none swap sw 0 0 > : /dev/ad0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 > : /dev/ad0s1f /usr ufs rw 2 2 > : /dev/ad0s1e /var ufs rw 2 2 > : proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 > : /dev/acd0c /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 > : /dev/afd0c /zip ufs rw,noauto 0 0 > : /dev/ad4s1e /data ufs rw 2 2 > : > > Quincey- > > What entry/entries are in your kernel for ata support? I would > guess that you should have just > > device ata > device atadisk > device atapicd > device atapifd > > If you have > > options ATA_STATIC_ID #Static device numbering > > Did you completely wipe this machine when you did the install? The > ad4* are not part of the standard devices made. Maybe if you did > > cd /dev; sh MAKEDEV ad4 > cd /dev; sh MAKEDEV ad4s1a > > However, it doesn't seem that the drive is showing up in the boot > probe .. (not sure if that is due to the missing ad4s1* or it is > just not seeing anything on that channel). > > S > 1--------01---------01--------01--------01--------01--------01--------0 > Sean O'Connell sean@stat.Duke.EDU > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 8:36:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cs.utep.edu (mail.cs.utep.edu [129.108.5.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA0637B4C5; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 08:36:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from gecko (gecko [129.108.5.51]) by cs.utep.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eAPGagO10434; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:36:42 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:36:39 -0700 (MST) From: X-Sender: janb@gecko To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: kde2 upgrade fails in wierd fashion Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is strange. I deinstalled all kde11 type ports and then made installed the kde2 port. However, each time I got and startx, I stay with kde 1.1.2. I am using Xfree86 4.01 and a reasonably recent version of CURRENT. Has anybody got an explanation for this behavior? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 9:42:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.westbend.net (ns1.westbend.net [209.224.254.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16D637B479 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from admin.westbend.net (admin.westbend.net [209.224.254.141]) by mail.westbend.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eAPHgRN96701; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 11:42:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Message-ID: <006201c05707$11f17bc0$8dfee0d1@westbend.net> From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: "Operador del sistema" , References: Subject: Re: Upgrade kernel Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 11:42:23 -0600 Organization: West Bend Interent MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: "Operador del sistema" > Hi, our principal server runs freebsd-3.4, it recives a hdlc internet line > using a et5025-16 board (etinc.com). > In order to set up the board on freebsd, etinc.com provides a driver > depending on each kernel version. Mine is 3.4 version. here it's the dmesg > part: > > ET/5025(-16,PQ),ET/HSSI HDLC Driver v3.16-beta > eth0 at 0x240-0x24f irq 5 maddr 0xd0000 on isa > > I would like to know what will happens when i will try to "make world" to > the -stable code?, I mean, how existent driver will be added to new kernel > code? > Please, i really appreciate your help, this is a "productive" box and we > cant stop the internet line. First you need to check: ftp://ftp.etinc.com/pub/freebsd for the latest driver for the version of FreeBSD that you want to upgrade to. 4.1 freebsd41_hdlc_3.16l.tgz 3.4 freebsd34_hdlc_3.16l.tgz Then follow the instructions in /usr/hdlc/doc/bsdman.htm on how to install the driver into your kernel. Which version of FreeBSD -Stable do you want to upgrade to (3.5 or 4.2)? Scot To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 9:52: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (placeholder-dcat-1076843399.broadbandoffice.net [64.47.83.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50F037B479 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:52:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAPHod832161; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:50:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:50:39 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200011251750.eAPHod832161@earth.backplane.com> To: "David A. Bader" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Aron Warren , Chuck Robey Subject: Re: make world problem with 4.2-R (work around) References: <200011241632.JAA08991@eece.unm.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Regarding the problem I reported two days ago with "make buildworld" :on 4.2-RELEASE, I removed my /usr/src completely and CVSup'ed :4.2-RELEASE again, but still have an internal compiler error at the :same place (ncurses' alloc_entry.c). At the time, I was running :4.1-RELEASE on a Cyrix P166 processor. After many attempts to compile :this file by hand, I found a hack to get it to work, but have :absolutely no idea why this worked: : :% grep MAX_ENTRY_SIZE /usr/src/contrib/ncurses/include/tic.h :#define MAX_ENTRY_SIZE 4096 /* maximum legal entry size */ Interesting. Ok, let me make sure I got this right: using 4.1-RELEASE (not something post-4.1, not something updated since 4.1-RELEASE?), compiling the 4.2-RELEASE sources, your buildworld broke compiling ncurses alloc_entry.c ? -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 9:52:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nietzsche.webcaribe.net (unknown [209.88.252.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 137BB37B4D7 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:52:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from nietzsche.webcaribe.net (nietzsche.webcaribe.net [209.88.252.106] (may be forged)) by nietzsche.webcaribe.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA94024; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:49:18 GMT (envelope-from operador@nietzsche.webcaribe.net) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:49:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Operador del sistema To: "Scot W. Hetzel" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Upgrade kernel In-Reply-To: <006201c05707$11f17bc0$8dfee0d1@westbend.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > From: "Operador del sistema" > > Hi, our principal server runs freebsd-3.4, it recives a hdlc internet line > > using a et5025-16 board (etinc.com). > > In order to set up the board on freebsd, etinc.com provides a driver > > depending on each kernel version. Mine is 3.4 version. here it's the dmesg > > part: > > > > ET/5025(-16,PQ),ET/HSSI HDLC Driver v3.16-beta > > eth0 at 0x240-0x24f irq 5 maddr 0xd0000 on isa > > > > I would like to know what will happens when i will try to "make world" to > > the -stable code?, I mean, how existent driver will be added to new kernel > > code? > > Please, i really appreciate your help, this is a "productive" box and we > > cant stop the internet line. > > First you need to check: > > ftp://ftp.etinc.com/pub/freebsd > > for the latest driver for the version of FreeBSD that you want to upgrade > to. > > 4.1 freebsd41_hdlc_3.16l.tgz > 3.4 freebsd34_hdlc_3.16l.tgz > > Then follow the instructions in /usr/hdlc/doc/bsdman.htm on how to install > the driver into your kernel. > > Which version of FreeBSD -Stable do you want to upgrade to (3.5 or 4.2)? Well, i am confused, if i run this supfile: *default tag=RELENG_3 *default host=cvsup3.freebsd.org *default prefix=/usr *default base=/usr *default release=cvs delete use-rel-suffix compress src-base src-bin src-contrib src-etc src-gnu src-include src-kerberosIV src-lib src-libexec src-release src-sbin src-share src-sys src-tools src-usrbin src-usrsbin doc-all ports-all tag=. What "-stable" version will i recive? 3.5-stable or 4.2-stable? Also, Scot, when i installed this system (6 mouths ago, or so) i downloaded etinc.com drivers and added the code to the kernel. Now, upgrading the system to -stable, do i need to install the driver again? If i do, the same version (3.4)? Thanks for help, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 10:42:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.westbend.net (ns1.westbend.net [209.224.254.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D7437B4CF for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:42:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from admin.westbend.net (admin.westbend.net [209.224.254.141]) by mail.westbend.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eAPIgYN97218; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:42:34 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Message-ID: <00b301c0570f$78377440$8dfee0d1@westbend.net> From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: "Operador del sistema" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Upgrade kernel Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:42:31 -0600 Organization: West Bend Interent MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: "Operador del sistema" > > Which version of FreeBSD -Stable do you want to upgrade to (3.5 or 4.2)? > > Well, i am confused, if i run this supfile: > *default tag=RELENG_3 > What "-stable" version will i recive? 3.5-stable or 4.2-stable? > Your supfile will get 3.5-STABLE. > Also, Scot, when i installed this system (6 mouths ago, or so) i > downloaded etinc.com drivers and added the code to the kernel. > Now, upgrading the system to -stable, do i need to install the driver > again? If i do, the same version (3.4)? > Yes, you will need to re-install the driver into your kernel sources, as cvsup overwrites your changes, following the same procedure you did 6 months ago (see /usr/hdlc/doc/bsdman.htm). The latest version available for RELENG_3 is for FreeBSD 3.4, so you should use the latest 3.4 release (3.16L). Make sure you keep a backup of your current kernel, just in case there is any incompatibilities between the driver and 3.5-STABLE. Let me try to update my 3.4-STABLE (April) system with 3.15p drivers to 3.5-STABLE and 3.16l drivers. The card is currently not being used for any connectivity. Scot To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 11:39:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cielo.eece.unm.edu (cielo.eece.unm.edu [129.24.24.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9278837B4CF for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 11:39:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from jalapeno.eece.unm.edu ([129.24.24.88] helo=eece.unm.edu) by cielo.eece.unm.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #4) id 13zlAC-0002Fb-00; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:39:08 -0700 Received: (from dbader@localhost) by eece.unm.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id MAA14246; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:39:07 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:39:07 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011251939.MAA14246@eece.unm.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: jalapeno.eece.unm.edu: dbader set sender to dbader@eece.unm.edu using -f From: "David A. Bader" To: dillon@earth.backplane.com Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, warren@eece.unm.edu, chuckr@mat.net In-reply-to: <200011251750.eAPHod832161@earth.backplane.com> (message from Matt Dillon on Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:50:39 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: make world problem with 4.2-R (work around) References: <200011241632.JAA08991@eece.unm.edu> <200011251750.eAPHod832161@earth.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yes, precisely. I have my 4.2-RELEASE system now trying to "make buildworld" on the 4.2-RELEASE /usr/src, and will see if this works or fails (it's running on my home machine, but I'm at work right now...) -david > Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:50:39 -0800 (PST) > From: Matt Dillon > Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Aron Warren , > Chuck Robey > X-SpamBouncer: 1.2 beta (5/15/00) > X-SBPass: No Freemail Filtering > X-SBClass: OK > X-Sorted: Default > > :Regarding the problem I reported two days ago with "make buildworld" > :on 4.2-RELEASE, I removed my /usr/src completely and CVSup'ed > :4.2-RELEASE again, but still have an internal compiler error at the > :same place (ncurses' alloc_entry.c). At the time, I was running > :4.1-RELEASE on a Cyrix P166 processor. After many attempts to compile > :this file by hand, I found a hack to get it to work, but have > :absolutely no idea why this worked: > : > :% grep MAX_ENTRY_SIZE /usr/src/contrib/ncurses/include/tic.h > :#define MAX_ENTRY_SIZE 4096 /* maximum legal entry size */ > > Interesting. Ok, let me make sure I got this right: using > 4.1-RELEASE (not something post-4.1, not something updated since > 4.1-RELEASE?), compiling the 4.2-RELEASE sources, your buildworld > broke compiling ncurses alloc_entry.c ? > > -Matt > > -- David A. Bader, Ph.D. Office: 505-277-6724 Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering FAX: 505-277-1439 EECE Building University of New Mexico dbader@eece.unm.edu Albuquerque, NM 87131 http://www.eece.unm.edu/~dbader To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 11:46:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cielo.eece.unm.edu (cielo.eece.unm.edu [129.24.24.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48DE637B4CF for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 11:46:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from jalapeno.eece.unm.edu ([129.24.24.88] helo=eece.unm.edu) by cielo.eece.unm.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #4) id 13zlHb-0002Ny-00; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:46:47 -0700 Received: (from dbader@localhost) by eece.unm.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id MAA14282; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:46:47 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:46:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011251946.MAA14282@eece.unm.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: jalapeno.eece.unm.edu: dbader set sender to dbader@eece.unm.edu using -f From: "David A. Bader" To: dickey@herndon4.his.com Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <200011251937.OAA01976@home.dickey.net> Subject: Re: http://x68.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps,ST_m=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=697444318&CO References: <200011251937.OAA01976@home.dickey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Here is the compile line. Are the "-I" include directories okay? cc -fpic -DPIC -O -pipe -I. -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses -I/usr/src/lib/libncu= rses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/= ncurses/include -Wall -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DNDEBUG -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DTERMIOS -= I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib= /ncurses/ncurses/tinfo/alloc_entry.c -o alloc_entry.So cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/lib/libncurses. > Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 14:37:02 -0500 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 > X-URL: http://x68.deja.com/=3Ddnc/[ST_rn=3Dps,ST_m=3Dps]/getdoc.xp?AN=3D6= 97444318&CONTEXT=3D975180941.198049811&hitnum=3D1 > From: dickey@herndon4.his.com > Cc: dickey@herndon4.his.com > X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by home.dickey.net id= OAA01976 > X-SpamBouncer: 1.2 beta (5/15/00) > X-SBPass: No Freemail Filtering > X-SBClass: OK > X-Sorted: Default > > it most likely is an incorrect list of -I options (ncurses has to be buil= t > with its own headers; there are possible conflicts with headers already > installed on the system). > > > Re: make world problem with 4.2-R (work around) > > Author: "David A. Bader" > > Date: 2000/11/25 > > Forum: mailing.freebsd.stable > > > > more headers author posting history > > Post Reply =B7 Prev =B7 Next > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > >Regarding the problem I reported two days ago with "make buildworld" > >on 4.2-RELEASE, I removed my /usr/src completely and CVSup'ed > >4.2-RELEASE again, but still have an internal compiler error at the > >same place (ncurses' alloc_entry.c). At the time, I was running > >4.1-RELEASE on a Cyrix P166 processor. After many attempts to compile > >this file by hand, I found a hack to get it to work, but have > >absolutely no idea why this worked: > > > >% grep MAX_ENTRY_SIZE /usr/src/contrib/ncurses/include/tic.h > >#define MAX_ENTRY_SIZE 4096 /* maximum legal entry size */ > > > >% diff -u /usr/src/contrib/ncurses/ncurses/tinfo/alloc_entry.c-orig /us= r/src/c > >ontrib/ncurses/ncurses/tinfo/alloc_entry.c > >--- /usr/src/contrib/ncurses/ncurses/tinfo/alloc_entry.c-orig Thu Nov = 23 12:5 > >3:44 2000 > >+++ /usr/src/contrib/ncurses/ncurses/tinfo/alloc_entry.c Fri Nov = 24 09:2 > >2:04 2000 > >@@ -122,7 +122,7 @@ > > _nc_wrap_entry(ENTRY * const ep) > > /* copy the string parts to allocated storage, preserving pointers to i= t */ > > { > >- int offsets[MAX_ENTRY_SIZE / 2], useoffsets[MAX_USES]; > >+ int offsets[2048], useoffsets[MAX_USES]; > > int i, n; > > TERMTYPE *tp =3D &(ep->tterm); > > > >I successfully did a "make world", and installed a new 4.2 kernel: > > > >% uname -a > >FreeBSD bean.eece.unm.edu 4.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE #0: Thu Nov 23= 22:12: > >05 MST 2000 root@bean.eece.unm.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BEAN4 i386 > > > >Again, I have no idea of the real cause of this problem. If anyone is > >curious, I could try to rebuild the 4.2-RELEASE /usr/src using the > >updated version of gcc installed with 4.2-R, and see if I still have > >the problem with alloc_entry.c > > > >I do not think that this is limited to "just me", but I found several > >other emails from folks trying to build 4.x-Releases who broke at this > >same point. > > > >-david > > > >-- > >David A. Bader, Ph.D. Office: 505-277-6724 > >Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering FAX: 505-277-1439 > >EECE Building > >University of New Mexico dbader@eece.unm.edu > >Albuquerque, NM 87131 http://www.eece.unm.edu/~dbader > -- > Thomas E. Dickey > http://dickey.his.com > ftp://dickey.his.com > -- David A. Bader, Ph.D. Office: 505-277-6724 Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering FAX: 505-277-1439 EECE Building University of New Mexico dbader@eece.unm.edu Albuquerque, NM 87131 http://www.eece.unm.edu/~dbader To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 12:41:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.uniserve.com (mail2.uniserve.com [204.244.156.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C5937B4D7 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:41:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca ([204.244.186.218]) by mail2.uniserve.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13zm8l-0002jx-00; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:41:43 -0800 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:41:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: "David A. Bader" Cc: dickey@herndon4.his.com, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: http://x68.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps,ST_m=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=697444318&CO In-Reply-To: <200011251946.MAA14282@eece.unm.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, David A. Bader wrote: > Here is the compile line. Are the "-I" include directories okay? > > cc -fpic -DPIC -O -pipe -I. -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/include -Wall -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DNDEBUG -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DTERMIOS -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses/tinfo/alloc_entry.c -o alloc_entry.So > cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 > *** Error code 1 The compiler crashed. If there was a problem with the include directories, you'd expect the compiler to output an error about that and stop. However, if gcc stops with a signal 11 (segment fault), either the compiler is buggy or damaged, the OS is buggy or damaged, or the hardware is buggy or damaged. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 13: 0:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost01.reflexnet.net (mailhost01.reflexnet.net [64.6.192.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F66837B479 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from 149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com ([64.6.211.149]) by mailhost01.reflexnet.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:58:44 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by 149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eAPL0Da95564; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:00:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:00:12 -0800 From: "Crist J . Clark" To: Lowell Gilbert , me@mine.com Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ntpdate and date fail to change clock by more than 1 second... Message-ID: <20001125130012.X12190@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <8vml5e$moe@dispatch.concentric.net> <44n1eoqeko.fsf@lowellg.ne.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <44n1eoqeko.fsf@lowellg.ne.mediaone.net>; from lowell@lowellg.ne.mediaone.net on Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 10:03:19AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 10:03:19AM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > "news.cncdsl.com" writes: > > > I have a fresh cvsup, make world and kernel from 4.2-S. > > > > Whenever I try to change the date using 'ntpdate' or even 'date' it doesn't > > change my clock although the output seems ok: > > > > mls2:~ -12:56:45- # ntpdate tick.cs.unlv.edu > > 23 Nov 12:56:48 ntpdate[6352]: step time server 131.216.16.9 > > offset -6859.012166 sec > > > > At the same time, /var/log/messages shows the following line: > > > > Time adjustment clamped to -1 second > > > > The only think new I've noticed while booting since this box was installed > > is: > > > > Raising kernel security level > > kern.securelevel: -1 -> 2 > > > > Are these related? How do I fix this? > > Yes, they are related. In elevated securelevels, you are not allowed > to change the system clock (reasons left as exercise for the reader). > Change your rc.conf to not elevate your securelevel, or reboot every > time you want to adjust your clock (and do the adjustment at startup; > if you enable the automatic boot-time ntpdate (ntpdate_enable), this > should occur *before* the securelevel is raised. You can adjust the clock, just not at greater than one second increments. From init(8), 2 Highly secure mode - ... In addition, kernel time changes are restricted to less than or equal to one second. Attempts to change the time by more than this will log the message ``Time adjustment clamped to +1 second''. Run an ntpdate during boot before upping the securelevel. Provided you don't gain/lose more than a second between updates once you are up, you will be fine running at a securelevel and doing NTP updates. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@alum.mit.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 13:27:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AE237B4CF for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:27:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA56492; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:27:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAPLR4u02458; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:27:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:27:03 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Jonathan Michaels Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: howto: cvs for minimum space freebsd server (Re: Upgrade problem) Message-ID: <20001125132703.A2417@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20001125181903.A27076@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001125181903.A27076@phoenix.welearn.com.au>; from jon@welearn.com.au on Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 06:19:04PM +1100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 06:19:04PM +1100, Jonathan Michaels wrote: > i currently run (and have done so fro, er since v2.0.5-release) > -release versions. now that the cost of freebsd release cds has > gone through the roof for me How/why has the cost changed? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 13:29:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3ED37B479 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:29:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA56501; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:29:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAPLSpe02471; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:28:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:28:51 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: "David A. Bader" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: http://x68.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps,ST_m=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=697444318&CO Message-ID: <20001125132851.B2417@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@freebsd.org References: <200011251937.OAA01976@home.dickey.net> <200011251946.MAA14282@eece.unm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011251946.MAA14282@eece.unm.edu>; from dbader@eece.unm.edu on Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 12:46:47PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 12:46:47PM -0700, David A. Bader wrote: > Here is the compile line. Are the "-I" include directories okay? Add "-v" to your CFLAGS in /etc/make.conf. This will give a little more idea where the problem is. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 13:58: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost01.reflexnet.net (mailhost01.reflexnet.net [64.6.192.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BB037B479 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:57:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from 149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com ([64.6.211.149]) by mailhost01.reflexnet.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:56:24 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by 149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eAPLvmY95909; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:57:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:57:48 -0800 From: "Crist J . Clark" To: Rod Taylor Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fstab issues... Message-ID: <20001125135748.Y12190@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <007e01c05766$8b5b48b0$6500000a@jester> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <007e01c05766$8b5b48b0$6500000a@jester>; from rbt@zort.on.ca on Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 09:05:50PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 09:05:50PM -0800, Rod Taylor wrote: > While playing around I managed to fully erase /etc/fstab (on purpose actually :). > > Anyhow, on a reboot something rather mistifying happened. It was obvious that it wouldn't be able to find any devices to mount, and mounted the / partition read only. Now, the strange thing is that I was unable to mount / for write (mount /dev/ad0s1a /) without first creating an fstab file with a fixit disk. I just tried the same thing twice and had to resort to fixit.flp the first one. On the first try, I mv'ed fstab out of the way and rebooted. I got dropped to single-user mode as expected. I tried to mount the root file system, but could not. The reason I couldn't was because the kernel mounted the root filesystem as /dev/wd0s1a. I don't have any wd(4) devices since I thought they were depricated and converted everything to ad(4). I guess not. I fixed things with the fixit.flp and went in to build a set of wd0s1 partitions. I tried the disappearing fstab again. It booted into single-user and I just did, # mount /dev/wd0s1a / And it worked fine. I fixed the fstab and continued the boot into multi-user. Were you trying to mount the correct device? It is annoying that the kernel automatically mounts a wd(4) device. Those are supposed to be depricated, no? -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@alum.mit.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 14:17:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hse-toronto-ppp119263.sympatico.ca (HSE-Toronto-ppp260651.sympatico.ca [64.230.28.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4250F37B479 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 14:17:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 97320 invoked by uid 0); 25 Nov 2000 22:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jester) (10.0.0.101) by hse-toronto-ppp260651.sympatico.ca with SMTP; 25 Nov 2000 22:22:41 -0000 Message-ID: <009501c0572d$7f4691d0$6500000a@jester> From: "Rod Taylor" To: , Cc: References: <007e01c05766$8b5b48b0$6500000a@jester> <20001125135748.Y12190@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> Subject: Re: Fstab issues... Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:17:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Regarding device, I had assummed that it would be ad0, not wd0 as you said. Never even thought to look at what it had actually mounted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crist J . Clark" To: "Rod Taylor" Cc: Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 4:57 PM Subject: Re: Fstab issues... > On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 09:05:50PM -0800, Rod Taylor wrote: > > While playing around I managed to fully erase /etc/fstab (on purpose actually :). > > > > Anyhow, on a reboot something rather mistifying happened. It was obvious that it wouldn't be able to find any devices to mount, and mounted the / partition read only. Now, the strange thing is that I was unable to mount / for write (mount /dev/ad0s1a /) without first creating an fstab file with a fixit disk. > > I just tried the same thing twice and had to resort to fixit.flp the > first one. > > On the first try, I mv'ed fstab out of the way and rebooted. I got > dropped to single-user mode as expected. I tried to mount the root > file system, but could not. The reason I couldn't was because the > kernel mounted the root filesystem as /dev/wd0s1a. I don't have any > wd(4) devices since I thought they were depricated and converted > everything to ad(4). I guess not. > > I fixed things with the fixit.flp and went in to build a set of wd0s1 > partitions. I tried the disappearing fstab again. It booted into > single-user and I just did, > > # mount /dev/wd0s1a / > > And it worked fine. I fixed the fstab and continued the boot into > multi-user. > > Were you trying to mount the correct device? > > It is annoying that the kernel automatically mounts a wd(4) > device. Those are supposed to be depricated, no? > -- > Crist J. Clark cjclark@alum.mit.edu > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 14:56:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC94137B4C5 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 14:56:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from world.std.com (root@world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27940 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kwc@localhost) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06215; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:56:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:56:22 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth W Cochran Message-Id: <200011252256.RAA06215@world.std.com> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Recovering libxpg4.so.2 on 4.2-stable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I just upgraded from 4.2-release to 4.2-stable & cannot start X-windows. When I type "startx" I get the following reply: /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libxpg4.so.2" not found A day or so ago, I did indeed delete some "old" things from /usr/lib & /usr/libexec & apparently I "overdid" it. (I think that was one of the things I deleted.) :-/ How can I fix this? I tried /stand/sysinstall with 4.1 CD #1 (thinking I might just reinstall X-windows) & sysinstall seems to think it's an *audio* cd(!) This system was "originally" 4.0-release & has more-or-less tracked -stable. Help appreciated... -kc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 15:32: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697E037B4CF for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 15:32:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA56827; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 15:32:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAPNW0G09297; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 15:32:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 15:32:00 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Kenneth W Cochran Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recovering libxpg4.so.2 on 4.2-stable Message-ID: <20001125153200.A9262@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: stable@freebsd.org References: <200011252256.RAA06215@world.std.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011252256.RAA06215@world.std.com>; from kwc@world.std.com on Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 05:56:22PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 05:56:22PM -0500, Kenneth W Cochran wrote: > I just upgraded from 4.2-release to 4.2-stable & cannot start > X-windows. When I type "startx" I get the following reply: > > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libxpg4.so.2" not found Which binary is causing this? Sounds like you're using an old X11R6 distribution, or an older package. You can get libxpg4.so.2 by installing the compat3x distrubition. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 17: 1:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hypostasis.com (p22.pool1.staticadsl.iconz.net.nz [210.48.81.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A3537B4C5 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:01:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from amethyst.hypostasis.com (amethyst.hypostasis.com [192.168.2.2]) by mail.hypostasis.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAQ0jrr00698; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 13:45:53 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from kit@amethyst.hypostasis.com) Received: (from kit@localhost) by amethyst.hypostasis.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) id eAQ18MW08908; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 14:08:22 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from kit) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 14:08:22 +1300 From: kit To: Jonathan Michaels Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: howto: cvs for minimum space freebsd server (Re: Upgrade problem) Message-ID: <20001126140822.A7203@amethyst.hypostasis.com> References: <20001125181903.A27076@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001125181903.A27076@phoenix.welearn.com.au>; from jon@welearn.com.au on Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 06:19:04PM +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 06:19:04PM +1100, Jonathan Michaels wrote: > > i currently run (and have done so fro, er since v2.0.5-release) > -release versions. now that the cost of freebsd release cds has > gone through the roof for me it might be cheaper fo follow > -stable. > USD prices are painful in this part of the world :( > my question is, what would a be required (in teh cvs file) to > keep a minimum workable (web, mail, news, nfs, and small office > internet gateway). also, teh servers hard disk has minimum > space available (350 mb all up). nfs and gateway imply other machines on a lan, so an alternative approach is to have the source on one machine and install on to the other. I build on one and do make installworld as per the handbook on the others my total src is currently sitting at 357 Mb with 59Mb in the compile subtree where the kernels live. I do the same with the ports collection. nfs mount the ports directories and install the approprite bits from there which give me ~ 190 Mb used on the gateway with apache and squid installed, and some other junk. Of course I could (should) strip that down by getting rid of more, but I am not as cautious as perhaps I could be at home. > > second part of my question is, are thier any cvs servers in > australia ... preferably teh east coast (sydney would be nice). > I use cvsup.au.freebsd.org generally. about which dig says cvsup.au.freebsd.org. 11h23m11s IN CNAME www.au.freebsd.org. www.au.freebsd.org. 11h23m11s IN A 129.78.100.245 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: au.freebsd.org. 11h23m11s IN NS ns.physics.usyd.edu.au. au.freebsd.org. 11h23m11s IN NS who.cdrom.com. which is University of Sydney I guess. you might want to try http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/cvsup.html for other australian mirrors and try dig or nslookup to see where they actually are. --kit To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 18:41:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nietzsche.webcaribe.net (unknown [209.88.252.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2517A37B4CF for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 18:41:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from nietzsche.webcaribe.net (nietzsche.webcaribe.net [209.88.252.106] (may be forged)) by nietzsche.webcaribe.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00331 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 21:38:51 GMT (envelope-from operador@nietzsche.webcaribe.net) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 21:38:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Operador del sistema To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: offtopic ("Local package initialization") Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, i found problems installing apache+mod_ssl from ports, so, I install them manually and I works good. I would like to add run apache each time the servers boots, what/where are the scripts for "Local package initialization" from the boot msg? thanks alot stable - list. ********************************************** WebCaribe: La presencia Web de la costa caribe Departamento de sistemas Calle 81 # 67 - 36 Local 2 Barranquilla - Colombia Tel:5-3789671 3789167 http://www.webcaribe.net ********************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 19:24:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (placeholder-dcat-1076843399.broadbandoffice.net [64.47.83.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645A937B4C5 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 19:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAQ3OUK33656; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 19:24:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 19:24:30 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200011260324.eAQ3OUK33656@earth.backplane.com> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: MFC's to stable: descriptor races, low-memory fixes, disklabel Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A bunch of bugs relating to potential filesystem corruption were comitted to -stable last week and made it into the release. I've just now MFC'd the items that were too late for the release - the descriptor race fixes (a big issue if you use threads), the low-memory handling fixes (a big issue if you run heavily loaded systems), and the disklabel fixes (the ability to install a virgin label on a slice, so you don't have to use sysinstall to do it any more). If you run loaded or heavily threaded systems I recommend waiting a few days (in case any problems pop up) and then upgrading to the latest -stable. Note that two additional panic()'s have been MFC'd from current to catch two illegal and potentially corruptive cases. It is possible, though unlikely, that certain systems will panic more often-- but if they do then it is also likely that the panic just saved you from a corrupted filesystem. Be sure to report such panics! If you have not already upgraded to 4.2, I strongly recommend that you at least go that far. If you are still running 3.x, please keep in mind that due to their complexity very few of these bug fixes (as well as most of the serious security fixes that have gone in in the last two months) are being backported to 3.x. You really need to think about upgrading to 4.x. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 19:27:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E02F37B479 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 19:27:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from veager.siteplus.net (1Cust244.tnt1.chattanooga.tn.da.uu.net [63.26.81.244]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06731; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 19:27:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 22:27:08 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Weeks To: Operador del sistema Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: offtopic ("Local package initialization") In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG /usr/local/etc/rc.d The boot process will execute any script in this directory ending in *.sh. Don't forget to chmod +x. Also the script is passed "start" upon execution. -- Jim Weeks On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Operador del sistema wrote: > Hi, i found problems installing apache+mod_ssl from ports, so, I install > them manually and I works good. > I would like to add run apache each time the servers boots, what/where are > the scripts for "Local package initialization" from the boot msg? > > thanks alot stable - list. > > ********************************************** > WebCaribe: La presencia Web de la costa caribe > Departamento de sistemas > Calle 81 # 67 - 36 Local 2 > Barranquilla - Colombia > Tel:5-3789671 3789167 http://www.webcaribe.net > ********************************************** > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 19:35:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.westbend.net (ns1.westbend.net [209.224.254.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44AB537B4CF for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 19:35:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from admin.westbend.net (admin.westbend.net [209.224.254.141]) by mail.westbend.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eAQ3Z7W02558; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 21:35:07 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Message-ID: <012f01c05759$df018ae0$8dfee0d1@westbend.net> From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: "Operador del sistema" , References: Subject: Re: offtopic ("Local package initialization") Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 21:35:06 -0600 Organization: West Bend Interent MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: "Operador del sistema" > Hi, i found problems installing apache+mod_ssl from ports, so, I install > them manually and I works good. > I would like to add run apache each time the servers boots, what/where are > the scripts for "Local package initialization" from the boot msg? > > thanks alot stable - list. > The startup scripts are placed into /usr/local/etc/rc.d by the apache13+mod_ssl port. Since you manually installed apache, you will need to copy apache.sh to /usr/local/etc/rc.d. install -m 751 /usr/ports/www/apache13-mod_ssl/files/apache.sh /usr/local/etc/rc.d Scot To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 21: 3:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fire.starkreality.com (fire.starkreality.com [198.78.158.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390FF37B479 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 21:03:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from famine.starkreality.com (fourhorsemen.starkreality.com [198.78.158.218]) by fire.starkreality.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAQ53Ai05193 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 23:03:12 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001125224624.00a5f7a8@maggie.netspend.net> X-Sender: caesar@mail.starkreality.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 23:03:10 -0600 To: stable@freebsd.org From: "William S. Duncanson" Subject: rpc.statd memory leak? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After upgrading from 4.1.1-STABLE to 4.2-STABLE, I noticed that rpc.statd has grown to huge proportions. Well, OK, looking at the timestamps of the sources, it doesn't look like rpc.statd has changed at all. It is, however, huge: root 128 0.0 0.1 263060 604 ?? Is 10:27PM 0:00.01 rpc.statd System has been rebooted within the past half hour, but look at that vsz. Eventually, rss will grow as well. Killing rpc.statd doesn't free the memory. NFS traffic on this machine is light, to say the least, with only one client mounting /home. Any ideas what could be causing this, or how to fix it? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 22:27:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n37.san.rr.com (dt051n37.san.rr.com [204.210.32.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CE537B4C5 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 22:27:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from FreeBSD.org (Studded@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n37.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00392; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 22:26:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <3A20AD2E.B7FD190D@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 22:26:54 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "William S. Duncanson" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: rpc.statd memory leak? References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001125224624.00a5f7a8@maggie.netspend.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "William S. Duncanson" wrote: > > After upgrading from 4.1.1-STABLE to 4.2-STABLE, I noticed that rpc.statd > has grown to huge proportions. Please take a look at the mail archives on this topic. -- So what I want to know is, where does the RED brick road go? Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 25 23:57:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.com (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D99837B4CF; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 23:57:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66108177EA4; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 02:04:09 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00bf01c0577f$71f7c420$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "Matt Dillon" Cc: "stable" References: <200011260255.SAA07705@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern vfs_bio.c vfs_cluster.c vfs_subr.c vfs_vnops.c src/sys/sys buf.h vnode.h src/sys/ufs/ffs ffs_inode.c ffs_softdep.c src/sys/ufs/ufs ufs_readwrite.c src/sys/vm swap_pager.c vm_page.c vm_page.h vm_pageout.c Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 02:04:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I get this error when I try to make a kernel with sources from 2am central time linking kernel swap_pager.o: In function `swp_pager_async_iodone': swap_pager.o(.text+0x12d9): undefined reference to `vm_page_try_to_cache' *** Error code 1 Any ideas? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dillon" To: ; Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 8:55 PM Subject: cvs commit: src/sys/kern vfs_bio.c vfs_cluster.c vfs_subr.c vfs_vnops.c src/sys/sys buf.h vnode.h src/sys/ufs/ffs ffs_inode.c ffs_softdep.c src/sys/ufs/ufs ufs_readwrite.c src/sys/vm swap_pager.c vm_page.c vm_page.h vm_pageout.c To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message