From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 2: 5:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cecov.masternet.it (cecov.masternet.it [194.184.65.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A53537B401 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 02:05:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gmarco@scotty.masternet.it) Received: from usul.scotty.masternet.it (modem34.masternet.it [194.184.65.229]) by cecov.masternet.it (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6195YB02113 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:05:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gmarco@scotty.masternet.it) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010701110225.03ad5558@194.184.65.7> X-Sender: gmarco@194.184.65.7 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 11:02:37 +0200 To: stable@freebsd.org From: Gianmarco Giovannelli Subject: Re: make kernel is broken on ipfilter (4.3-STABLE) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 01/07/2001, you wrote: >I have a 4.3-STABLE laptop, installed from a 4.3 CDROM. > >If I do a: >cd /usr/src >make kernel > >with KERNCONF=FREEBSD it stops in this way: > >make: don't know how to make >/usr/src/sys/modules/ipfilter/../../netinet/mlfk_ipl.c. Stop > >While if I build the kernel in the old way everything works just fine: >config -r FREEBSD >cd ../../compile/FREEBSD >make depend && make && make install > >The strange thing is that if I do >make kernel >with KERNCONF=GENERIC it WORKS !!! > > >Here is the kernel: > >---> My kernel, "FREEBSD" <-- Opps, wrong kernel... here is it the right one. ---> My kernel, "FREEBSD" <-- machine i386 cpu I686_CPU ident FREEBSD maxusers 32 options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options SOFTUPDATES #Enable FFS soft updates support options PROCFS #Process filesystem options COMPAT_43 #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor options KTRACE #ktrace(1) support options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores options P1003_1B #Posix P1003_1B real-time extensions options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING options ICMP_BANDLIM #Rate limit bad replies options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev device isa device pci device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1 device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 device vga0 at isa? pseudo-device splash device sc0 at isa? flags 0x100 device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 device apm0 at nexus? flags 0x20 # Advanced Power Management device card device pcic0 at isa? irq 0 port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd0000 device pcic1 at isa? irq 0 port 0x3e2 iomem 0xd4000 disable # Serial (COM) ports device sio0 at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4 device miibus # MII bus support device fxp device ep device pcm pseudo-device loop # Network loopback pseudo-device ether # Ethernet support pseudo-device tun # Packet tunnel. pseudo-device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) pseudo-device bpf # Berkeley packet filter # USB support device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface device usb # USB Bus (required) device ugen # Generic device ums # Mouse ---> end <--- The system is -STABLE of this morning. Another strange thing is that the same kernel build without any problem on a 4.2-RELEASE system updated to 4.3-STABLE. -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Kernel build for FREEBSD completed on Sun Jul 1 10:41:45 CEST 2001 -------------------------------------------------------------- So to summarize: 1) This kernel on a 4.3-RELEASE (updated to 4.3-STABLE) installed from a 4.3 cdrom doesn't build with the : make KERNCONF=FREEBSD buildkernel And it exit with the error: >make: don't know how to make >/usr/src/sys/modules/ipfilter/../../netinet/mlfk_ipl.c. Stop 2) The same box (Portege 3440) is able to build and install without any problem the GENERIC in the same way: make KERNCONF=GENERIC buildkernel 3) The same box can build and install this kernel using the old way. >config -r FREEBSD >cd ../../compile/FREEBSD >make depend && make && make install 4) A box installed from a 4.2 cdrom, the cvsupped to 4.3-STABLE build the kernel just fine. Ideas ? Tips ? Best Regards, Gianmarco Giovannelli , "Unix expert since yesterday" http://www.giovannelli.it/~gmarco http://www2.masternet.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 3:29:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from empty1.ekahuna.com (empty1.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6E537B405 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 03:29:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pjklist@ekahuna.com) Received: from pc-02 (pc02.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.197]) by empty1.ekahuna.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 03:29:22 -0700 From: "Philip J. Koenig" Organization: The Electric Kahuna Organization To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 03:29:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Makeworld on slow machine Reply-To: pjklist@ekahuna.com Message-ID: <3B3E9910.30809.4AD0BD@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm tracking RELENG_4 on a Pentium-100 server which is working fine but make [build|install] world takes a really long time. I also have a faster machine I track RELENG_4 on, and I heard about the "make release" option, but it's reputedly wrought with peril and only for someone that really knows what they're doing. (probably not me :-) So then I thought - what if I just burn a CD with /usr/src and/or /usr/obj on it - can I makeworld with that on the slow machine? (I can't just NFS mount the drive because these machines are geographically separated) So specifically: A) Do I need both /usr/src and /usr/obj? It seems the size of both those combined on my 4.3-STABLE machines are currently perilously close to the capacity of a single CD. Do I need any files other than those? B) What do I need to do to ensure that there is nothing specific to machine A when I copy source files to machine B -- ie are the object files changed by the kernel configuration file when you make buildkernel? Thanks, Phil -- Philip J. Koenig pjklist@ekahuna.com Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 3:45:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from empty1.ekahuna.com (empty1.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DD137B403 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 03:45:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pjklist@ekahuna.com) Received: from pc-02 (pc02.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.197]) by empty1.ekahuna.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 03:45:09 -0700 From: "Philip J. Koenig" Organization: The Electric Kahuna Organization To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 03:45:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Staying *really stable* in FreeBSD Reply-To: pjklist@ekahuna.com Message-ID: <3B3E9CC4.26398.5945F4@localhost> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:56:00 -0400 > From: Bill Moran > On Wednesday, June 27, 2001 5:30 PM, Juha Saarinen [SMTP:juha@saarinen.org] wrote: > > Oh, and could you please wrap your lines? > > Yeah ... I just realized that the only way to keep Outlook from mangling > lines is to manually wrap. I'm working on site this week, far away from > my comfortable FreeBSD desktop workstation :-( so I'm stuck with > Outlook. > > I think I'll install mutt on one of the servers here and use it to get my > email via ssh ... :-) Don't tell my boss. If you're stuck with a windows box, I would consider sticking a copy of Pegasus Mail on it. (free but not open source) Doesn't have those problems, is 10x more flexible, doesn't make any significant registry changes, is not loaded with security flaws like the MS email clients, small download, etc. www.pmail.com -- Philip J. Koenig pjklist@ekahuna.com Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 3:58:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB1537B403 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 03:58:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.1]) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 15GevH-0007Cs-00; Sun, 01 Jul 2001 22:57:51 +1200 Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 22:57:51 +1200 (NZST) From: Juha Saarinen To: "Philip J. Koenig" Cc: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: Staying *really stable* in FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <3B3E9CC4.26398.5945F4@localhost> Message-ID: X-S: Always MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > > If you're stuck with a windows box, I would consider sticking a copy > of Pegasus Mail on it. (free but not open source) > > Doesn't have those problems, is 10x more flexible, doesn't make any > significant registry changes, is not loaded with security flaws like > the MS email clients, small download, etc. Nice program (by David Harris, who's in NZ like me), but it hasn't got IMAP over SSL yet. -- Regards, Juha PGP fingerprint: B7E1 CC52 5FCA 9756 B502 10C8 4CD8 B066 12F3 9544 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 6: 7:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lloydix.2y.net (wks-166-154-199.kscable.com [24.166.154.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878DA37B401 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 06:07:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glandix@lloydix.2y.net) Received: from localhost (glandix@localhost) by lloydix.2y.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f61D7lw13258 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 08:07:47 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 08:07:43 -0500 (CDT) From: gLaNDix To: Subject: newbie question about ports Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry about the "newbie-ish" questions, but I haven't found anything that addresses the following questions very thoroughly. I come from about a 5-year linux background, but am *very* close to making the plunge to FreeBSD, probably as soon as these are answered... 1.) When you use cvsup to update the ports tree, does that update the ports to the level of the kernel (ie: are the ports -RELEASE quality, or are they -STABLE/-CURRENT quality?) 2.) Let's say I have foobar-1.0 installed from the ports collection. A few days later foobar-1.2 comes out. Can I upgrade to 1.2 by first updating the ports tree (atleast for foobar) and running 'make install'? Or will this cause the same potential problem downloading the "non-port" source and installing it on top of the original port install? (ie: will this leave extra files laying around, or does it automatically take care of that problem?) Thanks a lot! Jesse Kaufman <<< Linux lloydix 2.4.5 #2 Sun Jun 10 21:09:18 CDT 2001 i586 unknown >>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 6:27:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-27-141-144.mmcable.com [24.27.141.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B53F337B403 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 06:27:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 816 invoked by uid 100); 1 Jul 2001 13:26:26 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15167.9474.360487.114710@guru.mired.org> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 08:26:26 -0500 To: gLaNDix Cc: Subject: Re: newbie question about ports In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG gLaNDix types: These get asked - and answered - on -questions regularly. I'd suggest you check the archives there for more details. > 1.) When you use cvsup to update the ports tree, does that update the > ports to the level of the kernel (ie: are the ports -RELEASE quality, or > are they -STABLE/-CURRENT quality?) Ports track their own branch, not -stable or -current. They all get built for a release, which may uncover a few errors that weren't there before, but there don't seem to be a flood of fixes in the cvs repository for that. > 2.) Let's say I have foobar-1.0 installed from the ports collection. A > few days later foobar-1.2 comes out. Can I upgrade to 1.2 by first > updating the ports tree (atleast for foobar) and running 'make install'? > Or will this cause the same potential problem downloading the "non-port" > source and installing it on top of the original port install? (ie: will > this leave extra files laying around, or does it automatically take care > of that problem?) No, it doesn't automatically take care of the problem. You need to either delete the old one before you install the new one, or decide that you can safely run them both. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 6:33:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lloydix.2y.net (wks-166-154-199.kscable.com [24.166.154.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C79E37B403 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 06:33:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glandix@lloydix.2y.net) Received: from localhost (glandix@localhost) by lloydix.2y.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f61DUWG13302; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 08:30:32 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 08:30:32 -0500 (CDT) From: gLaNDix To: Mike Meyer Cc: Subject: Re: newbie question about ports In-Reply-To: <15167.9474.360487.114710@guru.mired.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > These get asked - and answered - on -questions regularly. I'd suggest > you check the archives there for more details. Alright, thanks a lot! I'll subscribe to -questions which would probably be more informative to me at this stage! Thanks again, jesse <<< Linux lloydix 2.4.5 #2 Sun Jun 10 21:09:18 CDT 2001 i586 unknown >>> Grampa: I think Rudyard Kipling said it best: If you can make one heap of all your winnings and risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss, and lose, and start again at your beginnings, and never breathe a word about your loss, yours is the earth is everything that is in it, and, which is more, you'll be a man, my son. Homer: You'll be a bonehead! -- Trying to stop Grampa from risking it all at the casino, "Old Money" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 7:40:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com (pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com [213.105.93.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4722937B406 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 07:40:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ianjhart@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk) Received: (from root@localhost) by pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f61EeMX50884 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 15:40:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ianjhart@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk) Received: from freeloader.freeserve.co.uk (alpha.private [192.168.0.2]) by pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com (8.11.3/8.11.3av) with ESMTP id f61EeE250876 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 15:40:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ianjhart@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk) Message-ID: <3B3F364D.BA6B2A52@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 15:40:13 +0100 From: ian j hart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: make kernel is broken on ipfilter (4.3-STABLE) References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010701110225.03ad5558@194.184.65.7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [duplicate: original copy to list bounced] Gianmarco Giovannelli wrote: > > At 01/07/2001, you wrote: > > >I have a 4.3-STABLE laptop, installed from a 4.3 CDROM. > > > >If I do a: > >cd /usr/src > >make kernel > > > >with KERNCONF=FREEBSD it stops in this way: > > > >make: don't know how to make > >/usr/src/sys/modules/ipfilter/../../netinet/mlfk_ipl.c. Stop > > > >While if I build the kernel in the old way everything works just fine: > >config -r FREEBSD > >cd ../../compile/FREEBSD > >make depend && make && make install > > > >The strange thing is that if I do > >make kernel > >with KERNCONF=GENERIC it WORKS !!! > > > > > >Here is the kernel: > > > >---> My kernel, "FREEBSD" <-- > > Opps, wrong kernel... here is it the right one. > > ---> My kernel, "FREEBSD" <-- > > machine i386 > cpu I686_CPU > ident FREEBSD > maxusers 32 > > options INET #InterNETworking > options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem > options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] > options SOFTUPDATES #Enable FFS soft updates support > options PROCFS #Process filesystem > options COMPAT_43 #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] > options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console > options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor > options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor > options KTRACE #ktrace(1) support > options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory > options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues > options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores > options P1003_1B #Posix P1003_1B real-time extensions > options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING > options ICMP_BANDLIM #Rate limit bad replies > options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev > > device isa > device pci > > device ata > device atadisk # ATA disk drives > device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives > > device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD > device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1 > device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 > device vga0 at isa? > pseudo-device splash > device sc0 at isa? flags 0x100 > > device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 > > device apm0 at nexus? flags 0x20 # Advanced Power Management > > device card > device pcic0 at isa? irq 0 port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd0000 > device pcic1 at isa? irq 0 port 0x3e2 iomem 0xd4000 disable > > # Serial (COM) ports > device sio0 at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4 > > device miibus # MII bus support > device fxp > device ep > > device pcm > > pseudo-device loop # Network loopback > pseudo-device ether # Ethernet support > pseudo-device tun # Packet tunnel. > pseudo-device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) > pseudo-device bpf # Berkeley packet filter > > # USB support > device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface > device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface > device usb # USB Bus (required) > device ugen # Generic > device ums # Mouse > > ---> end <--- > > The system is -STABLE of this morning. > Another strange thing is that the same kernel build without any problem on > a 4.2-RELEASE system updated to 4.3-STABLE. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> Kernel build for FREEBSD completed on Sun Jul 1 10:41:45 CEST 2001 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > So to summarize: > 1) This kernel on a 4.3-RELEASE (updated to 4.3-STABLE) installed from a > 4.3 cdrom doesn't build with the : > make KERNCONF=FREEBSD buildkernel > > And it exit with the error: > >make: don't know how to make > >/usr/src/sys/modules/ipfilter/../../netinet/mlfk_ipl.c. Stop > > 2) The same box (Portege 3440) is able to build and install without any > problem the GENERIC in the same way: > make KERNCONF=GENERIC buildkernel > > 3) The same box can build and install this kernel using the old way. > >config -r FREEBSD > >cd ../../compile/FREEBSD > >make depend && make && make install > > 4) A box installed from a 4.2 cdrom, the cvsupped to 4.3-STABLE build the > kernel just fine. > > Ideas ? Tips ? > > Best Regards, > Gianmarco Giovannelli , "Unix expert since yesterday" > http://www.giovannelli.it/~gmarco > http://www2.masternet.it > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message grep required /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC -- ian j hart To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 7:56:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scribe.pobox.com (scribe.pobox.com [208.210.124.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929B637B401 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 07:56:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jamil_taylor@pobox.com) Received: from jamil (unknown [64.32.165.75]) by scribe.pobox.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A0CD3258B for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 10:56:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jamil Taylor" To: Subject: RE: System Hang During tar Backup Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 10:56:00 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I attempted this one more time and got it to work. What I had to do this time was reboot the machine in single user mode. I entered the following commands after pressing space during boot: unload load kernel boot -s After boot, I mounted all drives and successfully used tar to backup all files. I used the same tar syntax, with the exception of running it verbose. If I now have to use tar in single user mode, so be it. I did not have to do this previously though. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jamil Taylor Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 1:43 PM To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: System Hang During tar Backup I am encountering a problem when using tar to backup the files on my system. I am uncertain of when this problem began, but this worked a month ago. The backup seems to run for at least ten minutes, but the system seems to hang after a period of time. Keyboard input appears on the screen, but control-C has no effect. Control-Alt-Delete has no effect either, and my only option is to press the reset button or power down the machine. No services are active when the system is in this state (i.e., I cannot make a remote connection to the machine). I am running 4.3-STABLE that was built after a cvsup of RELENG_4 as of yesterday. I am using the following syntax: tar --create --totals --absolute-paths --file /dev/rsa0 / My hardware is a Seagate Scorpion STD2401LW. This is a DDS4 DAT drive. Is anyone else experiencing a similar problem? Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 11:20:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7814A37B40C for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:20:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@earthlink.net) Received: from blossom.cjclark.org (dialup-209.247.143.73.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net [209.247.143.73]) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22978; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f61IKJH00741; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:20:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:20:19 -0700 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: Gianmarco Giovannelli Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make kernel is broken on ipfilter (4.3-STABLE) Message-ID: <20010701112019.C296@blossom.cjclark.org> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010701110225.03ad5558@194.184.65.7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010701110225.03ad5558@194.184.65.7>; from gmarco@scotty.masternet.it on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 11:02:37AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 11:02:37AM +0200, Gianmarco Giovannelli wrote: > At 01/07/2001, you wrote: > > > >I have a 4.3-STABLE laptop, installed from a 4.3 CDROM. > > > >If I do a: > >cd /usr/src > >make kernel > > > >with KERNCONF=FREEBSD it stops in this way: > > > >make: don't know how to make > >/usr/src/sys/modules/ipfilter/../../netinet/mlfk_ipl.c. Stop Your src/sys/modules/ipfilter/Makefile is out of date. That file does not exist. Not exactly sure off the top of my head why building using the "old" method or GENERIC works. They should fail too if they try to build this module. > Ideas ? Tips ? Update src/sys/modules/ipfilter. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@alum.mit.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 12:52: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E85E37B403 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 12:52:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28812; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 12:51:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 12:51:53 -0700 From: "Chad R. Larson" To: Juha Saarinen Cc: "Philip J. Koenig" , "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Staying *really stable* in FreeBSD Message-ID: <20010701125153.C28736@freeway.dcfinc.com> References: <3B3E9CC4.26398.5945F4@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from juha@saarinen.org on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 10:57:51PM +1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, if we're restarting the e-mail agent wars... Eudora. Eudora. Eudora! On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 10:57:51PM +1200, Juha Saarinen wrote: > On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > > > > If you're stuck with a windows box, I would consider sticking a copy > > of Pegasus Mail on it. (free but not open source) > > > > Doesn't have those problems, is 10x more flexible, doesn't make any > > significant registry changes, is not loaded with security flaws like > > the MS email clients, small download, etc. > > Nice program (by David Harris, who's in NZ like me), but it hasn't got > IMAP over SSL yet. > > -- > Regards, > > Juha -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 14:52:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from k0r3.reflektor.cz (k0r3.reflektor.cz [212.24.129.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CF66337B401 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 14:52:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cynic@mail.cz) Received: (qmail 12081 invoked by uid 202); 1 Jul 2001 21:52:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zvahlav.mail.cz) (212.24.143.100) by k0r3.reflektor.cz with SMTP; 1 Jul 2001 21:52:54 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010701235905.0202a1a0@mail.cz> X-Sender: cynic@mail.cz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 00:01:10 +0200 To: "Chad R. Larson" , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Cynic Subject: Re: Staying *really stable* in FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20010701125153.C28736@freeway.dcfinc.com> References: <3B3E9CC4.26398.5945F4@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 21:51 7/1/2001, Chad R. Larson wrote the following: -------------------------------------------------------------- >Ok, if we're restarting the e-mail agent wars... > >Eudora. Eudora. Eudora! crashes on me at least twice a week, and likes to take my mail with it (last notable occasion was when I lost two months of new-httpd@apache.org cynic@mail.cz ------------- And the eyes of them both were opened and they saw that their files were world readable and writable, so they chmoded 600 their files. - Book of Installation chapt 3 sec 7 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 15: 1:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail15.bigmailbox.com (mail15.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF67537B401 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 15:01:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mujahidin@egypt.net) Received: œby mail15.bigmailbox.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA15398; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 15:01:42 -0700 Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 15:01:42 -0700 Message-Id: <200107012201.PAA15398@mail15.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [212.116.158.36] From: "Cheffo Izroda" To: glandix@lloydix.2y.net Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: newbie question about ports Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, gLaNDix wrote: > Sorry about the "newbie-ish" questions, but I haven't found anything that > addresses the following questions very thoroughly. I come from about a > 5-year linux background, but am *very* close to making the plunge to > FreeBSD, probably as soon as these are answered... > > 1.) When you use cvsup to update the ports tree, does that update the > ports to the level of the kernel (ie: are the ports -RELEASE quality, or > are they -STABLE/-CURRENT quality?) --- jsut read /usr/share.examples/cvsup/port-supfile ----- > > 2.) Let's say I have foobar-1.0 installed from the ports collection. A > few days later foobar-1.2 comes out. Can I upgrade to 1.2 by first > updating the ports tree (atleast for foobar) and running 'make install'? > Or will this cause the same potential problem downloading the "non-port" > source and installing it on top of the original port install? (ie: will > this leave extra files laying around, or does it automatically take care > of that problem?) > > Thanks a lot! > Jesse Kaufman ---------- Yes use portupgrade ( aslo in ports ) > > <<< Linux lloydix 2.4.5 #2 Sun Jun 10 21:09:18 CDT 2001 i586 unknown >>> > > -= Cheffo =- ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 16:19:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FDB337B406; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:19:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Txweb555@aol.com) Received: from Txweb555@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id n.29.170de885 (25309); Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:19:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Txweb555@aol.com Message-ID: <29.170de885.28710a06@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:19:34 EDT Subject: bug on c600 dell help please if you can To: stable@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Do you know of any bugs in the c600 dells.. I am getting blue screens and conflicts.. Help please with any information if you can.. Thanks Cher To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 16:24:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5ED37B403 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:24:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29267; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:24:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:24:37 -0700 From: "Chad R. Larson" To: Cynic Cc: "Chad R. Larson" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Staying *really stable* in FreeBSD Message-ID: <20010701162437.A29257@freeway.dcfinc.com> References: <3B3E9CC4.26398.5945F4@localhost> <20010701125153.C28736@freeway.dcfinc.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010701235905.0202a1a0@mail.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010701235905.0202a1a0@mail.cz>; from cynic@mail.cz on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 12:01:10AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 12:01:10AM +0200, Cynic wrote: > At 21:51 7/1/2001, Chad R. Larson wrote the following: > -------------------------------------------------------------- > >Ok, if we're restarting the e-mail agent wars... > > > >Eudora. Eudora. Eudora! > > crashes on me at least twice a week, and likes to take my mail > with it (last notable occasion was when I lost two months of > new-httpd@apache.org Well, that would be a bummer. Doesn't happen to me. I'm using 4.2.2 Pro against both POP3 and IMAP4 servers. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 16:25:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB5437B401 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:25:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from parv@worldnet.att.net) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([32.100.199.54]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20010701232518.RMXC1777.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:25:18 +0000 Received: by worldnet.att.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 711F019313; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:29:08 -0400 From: parv To: Valentin Nechayev Cc: Bill Moran , Chris BeHanna , FreeBSD-Stable Subject: how to check last cvsup time (was 'Re: releng4 no longer -STABLE?') Message-ID: <20010701192908.A632@moo.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: Valentin Nechayev , Bill Moran , Chris BeHanna , FreeBSD-Stable References: <20010622003432.D1597@iv.nn.kiev.ua> <3B326B4B.2ABF72D9@iowna.com> <20010622204515.B406@iv.nn.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010622204515.B406@iv.nn.kiev.ua>; from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua on Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 08:45:15PM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG so, Valentin Nechayev shared this in my lifetime... > Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 17:46:51, wmoran (Bill Moran) wrote about "Re: releng4 no longer -STABLE???": > ... > > > > ... How would one know the exact > > cvsup date if he hadn't recorded it? Does cvsup keep a log? > > I use script: > > #!/bin/sh > ( > date > fgrep date= /etc/stable-supfile > cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/stable-supfile > date > ) 2>&1 | tee /var/log/sup.src.`date +%s` > > (pathnames may differ) > > A few last cvsup logs are kept for seeing exact date. > > Also, on some machines src/sys/conf/newvers.sh is manually patched > every time to produce exact date/time in `uname -r' output. for checking the cvsup update date after the fact, below is my script which uses cvsup configuration file namesake variables... ------------------------ #!/bin/sh # set variables # BASE=/usr/local/etc/cvsup MODULE=src-all TAG=RELENG_4 # after variables are set.. # # 1: print 1st, 2d, & 7th field from the file # 2: get only those lines that begin w/ "C", since only these lines # have date recorded # 3: print only the datetime # 4a: make field separator to be "." instead of default (white)space, # and then sort by the year (1st field). # 4b: for those paranoid, remove '#' from the fourth line; currently # it takes only extra 0.2-0.3 seconds, for my setup. awk '{ print $1, $2, $7 }' ${BASE}/sup/${MODULE}/checkouts.cvs\:${TAG} | grep '^C ' | awk '{print $3}' | sort -bfi -t '.' -n -k 1 #-n -k 2 -n -k 3 -n -k 4 -n -k 5 -n -k 6 ------------------------ -- so, do you like word games or scrabble? - parv To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 16:38:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C0037B401 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:38:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from parv@worldnet.att.net) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([32.100.199.54]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20010701233846.CLPD5127.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:38:46 +0000 Received: by worldnet.att.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7EAC219313; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:42:35 -0400 From: parv To: Valentin Nechayev , Bill Moran , Chris BeHanna , FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: how to check last cvsup time (was 'Re: releng4 no longer -STABLE?') Message-ID: <20010701194235.A765@moo.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: Valentin Nechayev , Bill Moran , Chris BeHanna , FreeBSD-Stable References: <20010622003432.D1597@iv.nn.kiev.ua> <3B326B4B.2ABF72D9@iowna.com> <20010622204515.B406@iv.nn.kiev.ua> <20010701192908.A632@moo.holy.cow> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010701192908.A632@moo.holy.cow>; from parv_@yahoo.com on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 07:29:08PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG once i blurted in my inifite wisdom... > > for checking the cvsup update date after the fact, below is my script > which uses cvsup configuration file namesake variables... > > ------------------------ > #!/bin/sh > > # set variables > # > > BASE=/usr/local/etc/cvsup > MODULE=src-all > TAG=RELENG_4 > > # after variables are set.. > # > # 1: print 1st, 2d, & 7th field from the file > # 2: get only those lines that begin w/ "C", since only these lines > # have date recorded > # 3: print only the datetime > # 4a: make field separator to be "." instead of default (white)space, > # and then sort by the year (1st field). > # 4b: for those paranoid, remove '#' from the fourth line; currently > # it takes only extra 0.2-0.3 seconds, for my setup. > > awk '{ print $1, $2, $7 }' ${BASE}/sup/${MODULE}/checkouts.cvs\:${TAG} | > grep '^C ' | > awk '{print $3}' | > sort -bfi -t '.' -n -k 1 #-n -k 2 -n -k 3 -n -k 4 -n -k 5 -n -k 6 > ------------------------ > oops, that's rather inefficient ... i was in the "creative" process when i came up /that/ version. below is much more concise; please change comments accordingly. ------------------------ #!/bin/sh BASE=/usr/local/etc/cvsup MODULE=src-all TAG=RELENG_4 awk '/^C/ { print $7 }' ${BASE}/sup/${MODULE}/checkouts.cvs\:${TAG} | sort -bfi -t '.' -n -k 1 #-n -k 2 -n -k 3 -n -k 4 -n -k 5 -n -k 6 ------------------------ - parv To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 17:37:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jhb-proxy.mweb.co.za (jhb-proxy.mweb.co.za [196.2.48.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6807E37B403 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 17:37:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from siberiyan@mweb.co.za) Received: from siberiyan.dyndns.org ([196.3.240.9]) by jhb-proxy.mweb.co.za (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with SMTP id <0GFT00HI2LPFCT@jhb-proxy.mweb.co.za> for stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 02:37:25 +0200 (GMT-2) Received: by siberiyan.dyndns.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 02 Jul 2001 02:36:30 +0200 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 02:36:30 +0200 From: Piet Delport Subject: Re: Staying *really stable* in FreeBSD To: stable@freebsd.org Cc: Juha Saarinen , "Philip J. Koenig" Message-id: <20010702023630.A780505@ATHALON> Organization: Legion of Dynamic Discord MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AbqW5WoAjzLHHNRc" Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-ICQ-UIN: 21765600 X-Location: Cape Town, South Africa X-Operating-System: CYGWIN_98-4.10 X-GPG-Key-ID: 0x6B191427 X-GPG-Fingerprint: C7FF A540 2199 F7BF 1933 5640 CD15 0FF3 6B19 1427 References: <3B3E9CC4.26398.5945F4@localhost> <20010701125153.C28736@freeway.dcfinc.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --AbqW5WoAjzLHHNRc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [should this be moved to -chat?] On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 12:51:53PM -0700, Chad R. Larson wrote: > On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 10:57:51PM +1200, Juha Saarinen wrote: > > On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > > > > > > If you're stuck with a windows box, I would consider sticking a copy > > > of Pegasus Mail on it. (free but not open source) > > > > > > Doesn't have those problems, is 10x more flexible, doesn't make any > > > significant registry changes, is not loaded with security flaws like > > > the MS email clients, small download, etc. > >=20 > > Nice program (by David Harris, who's in NZ like me), but it hasn't got > > IMAP over SSL yet. >=20 > Ok, if we're restarting the e-mail agent wars... >=20 > Eudora. Eudora. Eudora! PocoMail! Light, powerful, robust, follows internet standards... Rare combination, in the Windows world. Then there's always rxvt+mutt (+fetchmail+procmail+gpg...), thanks to Cygwi= n. --=20 Piet Delport Today's subliminal thought is: --AbqW5WoAjzLHHNRc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (CYGWIN_98-4.10) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7P8IOzRUP82sZFCcRAvvzAJsFV7azUWF+HaEGGY3kew1OnAQRZQCfZE8/ N9bfSgTAhYpsERIDtSvJF4Y= =iiNP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AbqW5WoAjzLHHNRc-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 17:42:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from netau1.alcanet.com.au (ntp.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7353237B408 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 17:42:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: from mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au (mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au [139.188.23.1]) by netau1.alcanet.com.au (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15748; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:42:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au by cim.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #37641) with ESMTP id <01K5GB0RL1K0VFB2H7@cim.alcatel.com.au>; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:42:23 +1000 Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f620gfV18662; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:42:41 +1000 (EST envelope-from jeremyp) Content-return: prohibited Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:42:41 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: Makeworld on slow machine In-reply-to: <3B3E9910.30809.4AD0BD@localhost>; from pjklist@ekahuna.com on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 03:29:20AM -0700 To: "Philip J. Koenig" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: "Philip J. Koenig" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <20010702104241.I506@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: <3B3E9910.30809.4AD0BD@localhost> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001-Jul-01 03:29:20 -0700, "Philip J. Koenig" wrote: >So then I thought - what if I just burn a CD with /usr/src and/or >/usr/obj on it - can I makeworld with that on the slow machine? Yes, but if you're intending to mount the cdrom as /usr/{obj,src} and then run "make installworld", it will be very slow due to the poor random access performance of CD-ROM's. If you have the disk space on the P-100, you'd be better off copying the files off the CD-ROM onto local disk and then running installworld. (And tar'ing /usr/src and /usr/obj into one or two files and then just burning the tar files onto CD-ROM may be faster than copying the directory tree - you can also compress the tar files, which avoids the CD-ROM space issue). Leep in mind that both /usr/src and /usr/obj will grow over time - they are larger in -CURRENT than in -STABLE. In designing your file transfer strategy, you should take this into account. >A) Do I need both /usr/src and /usr/obj? Yes. > Do I need any files other than those? No. >B) What do I need to do to ensure that there is nothing specific to >machine A when I copy source files to machine B Assuming you aren't using CPU-specific flags in /etc/make.conf to compile for something higher than a Pentium, there will be no problems with userland or kernel modules. > -- ie are the object >files changed by the kernel configuration file when you make >buildkernel? The actual kernel is defined by you kernel configuration file. Your choices are either to have a kernel configuration file that will run on either machine, or build distinct kernels for each machine. The actual object file contents will depend on the options in your kernel configuration file. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 17:45: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.allyster.com (fw.allyster.com [194.202.29.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6237A37B403 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 17:45:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jslivko@jslivko.org) Received: (qmail 26255 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 00:47:13 -0000 Received: from mail.allyster.com (jslivko@194.202.29.35) by mail.allyster.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2001 00:47:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:47:13 +0100 (BST) From: "Jonathan M. Slivko" X-Sender: jslivko@localhost.localdomain To: Piet Delport Cc: stable@freebsd.org, Juha Saarinen , "Philip J. Koenig" Subject: Re: Staying *really stable* in FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20010702023630.A780505@ATHALON> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG uhmm... your HTML tags are a lil outta order. Now, for the more serious stuff: I happen to like Outlook Express or Netscape Mail (even though I use pine for my mail most of the time). Instead of asking should this be moved to -chat, the better question is why are we even discussing Windows based products in a FreeBSD mailing list? *hits you all with a cluestick* \|||/ (o o) /-----------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo----------------------------\ | Jonathan M. Slivko E-Mail: jslivko@jslivko.org | | IRC Nick: optix` Backup: js43064n@pace.edu | | AIM/AOL: JMSNY2001 Web : http://www.jslivko.org | |--------------------------------------------------------------------| | "History teaches us that days like this are best spent in bed" | \--------------------------------------------------------------------/ On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Piet Delport wrote: > [should this be moved to -chat?] > > On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 12:51:53PM -0700, Chad R. Larson wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 10:57:51PM +1200, Juha Saarinen wrote: > > > On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > > > > > > > > If you're stuck with a windows box, I would consider sticking a copy > > > > of Pegasus Mail on it. (free but not open source) > > > > > > > > Doesn't have those problems, is 10x more flexible, doesn't make any > > > > significant registry changes, is not loaded with security flaws like > > > > the MS email clients, small download, etc. > > > > > > Nice program (by David Harris, who's in NZ like me), but it hasn't got > > > IMAP over SSL yet. > > > > Ok, if we're restarting the e-mail agent wars... > > > > Eudora. Eudora. Eudora! > > > > PocoMail! > > Light, powerful, robust, follows internet standards... Rare combination, in > the Windows world. > > Then there's always rxvt+mutt (+fetchmail+procmail+gpg...), thanks to Cygwin. > > > > -- > Piet Delport > Today's subliminal thought is: > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 18:27:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.itga.com.au (ns.itga.com.au [202.53.40.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E35637B403 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 18:27:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by ns.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA36933; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:27:31 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by lightning.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01081; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:26:15 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200107020126.LAA01081@lightning.itga.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 05/15/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 From: Gregory Bond To: Peter Jeremy Cc: "Philip J. Koenig" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Makeworld on slow machine In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:42:41 +1000. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 11:26:15 +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Assuming you aren't using CPU-specific flags in /etc/make.conf to > compile for something higher than a Pentium, there will be no problems > with userland or kernel modules. Actually, /etc/make.conf should be the same on both systems. If one has options (e.g. NOPERL) that the other doesn't, installworld will fail in interesting ways. And make sure the clocks are synced reasonably closely (although for a CD-ROM transfer, they probably don't have to be all that close!) [The above goes for NFS installs as well.] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 18:43: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from empty1.ekahuna.com (empty1.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF0937B403 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 18:42:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pjklist@ekahuna.com) Received: from pc-02 (pc02.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.197]) by empty1.ekahuna.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with ESMTP id com; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 18:42:59 -0700 From: "Philip J. Koenig" Organization: The Electric Kahuna Organization To: Peter Jeremy , Gregory Bond Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 18:42:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Makeworld on slow machine Reply-To: pjklist@ekahuna.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3B3F6F32.13871.8EC8B6@localhost> In-reply-to: <200107020126.LAA01081@lightning.itga.com.au> References: Your message of Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:42:41 +1000. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2 Jul 2001, at 11:26, Gregory Bond boldly uttered: > > Assuming you aren't using CPU-specific flags in /etc/make.conf to > > compile for something higher than a Pentium, there will be no problems > > with userland or kernel modules. > > Actually, /etc/make.conf should be the same on both systems. If one has > options (e.g. NOPERL) that the other doesn't, installworld will fail in > interesting ways. And make sure the clocks are synced reasonably closely > (although for a CD-ROM transfer, they probably don't have to be all that > close!) > > [The above goes for NFS installs as well.] Hm, wait a sec -- since I'm talking about putting /usr/src and /usr/obj on a CD and mounting the CD or copying the files to a 2nd, distant machine -- why is it an issue if the "clocks are synced"?? Phil -- Philip J. Koenig pjklist@ekahuna.com Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 19:12:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.itga.com.au (ns.itga.com.au [202.53.40.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B970C37B406 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:12:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by ns.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA37274; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:12:08 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by lightning.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03622; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:10:53 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200107020210.MAA03622@lightning.itga.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 05/15/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 From: Gregory Bond To: pjklist@ekahuna.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Makeworld on slow machine In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 01 Jul 2001 18:42:58 -0700. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:10:53 +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hm, wait a sec -- since I'm talking about putting /usr/src and > /usr/obj on a CD and mounting the CD or copying the files to a 2nd, > distant machine -- why is it an issue if the "clocks are synced"?? If the dest machine's clock is set before the source machine's clock, then make might get confused with dates on built files in the future. This may not be too bad with a plain install, because installworld is _supposed_ to be read-only in /usr/{src,obj} (tho I have had odd issues in the past). But clock skew (in particular, system clock set to before source files are updated in the CVS repository) is a sure-fire way of breaking a build (usually during the compilation of perl). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 19:50:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C8037B403 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:50:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29814; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:50:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:50:11 -0700 From: "Chad R. Larson" To: "Jonathan M. Slivko" Cc: Piet Delport , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Juha Saarinen , "Philip J. Koenig" Subject: Re: Staying *really stable* in FreeBSD Message-ID: <20010701195011.A29775@freeway.dcfinc.com> References: <20010702023630.A780505@ATHALON> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jslivko@jslivko.org on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 01:47:13AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 01:47:13AM +0100, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: > Instead of asking should this be moved to -chat, the better question > is why are we even discussing Windows based products in a FreeBSD > mailing list? *hits you all with a cluestick* Ummm... Because a lot of people use Windows e-mail clients against SMTP servers that happen to be FreeBSD? I'm busy trying to convert my current consultees from Exchange on NT for their e-mail service. Guess what I'm gonna replace that with. Part of the sales job is to ensure them that in addition to better reliability, and easier restoration of inadvertently deleted messages, they can have their choice of e-mail clients. Personal recommendation: Eudora. But Outlook Express isn't all that bad (though it hurts me to admit it), and Netscape Communicator is alright if you want a completely integrated setup. Heck, StarOffice is pretty good there (if a bit slow). -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 22:17:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5885D37B405 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 22:17:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaltorak@quake.com.au) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AB6169.63.5724aadf) with ESMTP id baybaaaa for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:16:38 +1000 Message-ID: <3B40047B.8B3A11E7@quake.com.au> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 15:19:55 +1000 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-stable Subject: ftp vs nfs for remote install Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hiyas, Recently I was installing a new system from a local ftp on a 100mbit network, and sysinstall reported the speed at around ~2.0kbs!? I thought maybe some name resolution thing was slowing it up so I added names and IPs to host files, but no change... Since I could get faster speeds connecting to a remote site I decided to setup an nfs server, which sysinstall said was getting speeds around ~1000kbs... It seems to be something wrong with sysinstall using ftp, since now that the box is installed and running ftp connections to the same machine are as fast as would be expected... So any ideas on whats going on here? Anyone else noticed something like this before? Thanks, Kal. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 23: 8:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cecov.masternet.it (cecov.masternet.it [194.184.65.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEFA37B401 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:08:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gmarco@scotty.masternet.it) Received: from usul.scotty.masternet.it (modem13.masternet.it [194.184.65.208]) by cecov.masternet.it (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6268vB06526; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:08:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gmarco@scotty.masternet.it) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010702075503.03410bc8@194.184.65.7> X-Sender: gmarco@194.184.65.7 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 08:06:02 +0200 To: ian j hart From: Gianmarco Giovannelli Subject: Re: make kernel is broken on ipfilter (4.3-STABLE) Cc: stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3B3F364D.BA6B2A52@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010701110225.03ad5558@194.184.65.7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 01/07/2001, you wrote: > > So to summarize: > > 1) This kernel on a 4.3-RELEASE (updated to 4.3-STABLE) installed from a > > 4.3 cdrom doesn't build with the : > > make KERNCONF=FREEBSD buildkernel > > > > And it exit with the error: > > >make: don't know how to make > > >/usr/src/sys/modules/ipfilter/../../netinet/mlfk_ipl.c. Stop > > > > 2) The same box (Portege 3440) is able to build and install without any > > problem the GENERIC in the same way: > > make KERNCONF=GENERIC buildkernel > > > > 3) The same box can build and install this kernel using the old way. > > >config -r FREEBSD > > >cd ../../compile/FREEBSD > > >make depend && make && make install > > > > 4) A box installed from a 4.2 cdrom, the cvsupped to 4.3-STABLE build the > > kernel just fine. > > >grep required /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC > >-- >ian j hart Uhm !?!??! What does your answer mean ? :-) Can you please explain better ? Thanks a lot ... Best Regards, Gianmarco Giovannelli , "Unix expert since yesterday" http://www.giovannelli.it/~gmarco http://www2.masternet.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 23:22:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from solikus.sumy.net (solikus.sumy.net [194.153.148.218]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F6F37B409 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:22:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from solik@solikus.sumy.net) Received: (from solik@localhost) by solikus.sumy.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f626MYF17073 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:22:34 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from solik) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:21:52 +0300 From: Sergey Solyanik To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 3.4-RELEASE -> 4.3-STABLE ? Message-ID: <20010702092152.A17006@solikus.sumy.net> Mail-Followup-To: Sergey Solyanik , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-BeerTo: solik@sumy.net Organization: SIM, ISP Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! Is there is a way for upgrade running 3.4-RELEASE system up to 4.3-STABLE ? `make buildworld' fails at some points, even installing `gcc295' port doesn't help. Is it possible or I need to save my /etc and reinstall system from 4.3-STABLE floppy? Thanks! -- SSV3-RIPE Does your software support http://www.sumy.net/ RFC 2821 and RFC 2822? Eh? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 23:29: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cecov.masternet.it (cecov.masternet.it [194.184.65.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34CE037B401 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:28:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gmarco@scotty.masternet.it) Received: from usul.scotty.masternet.it (modem13.masternet.it [194.184.65.208]) by cecov.masternet.it (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f626T1B06604; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:29:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gmarco@scotty.masternet.it) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010702080811.01b1c7b8@194.184.65.7> X-Sender: gmarco@194.184.65.7 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 08:26:08 +0200 To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu From: Gianmarco Giovannelli Subject: Re: make kernel is broken on ipfilter (4.3-STABLE) Cc: stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20010701112019.C296@blossom.cjclark.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010701110225.03ad5558@194.184.65.7> <5.1.0.14.2.20010701110225.03ad5558@194.184.65.7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 01/07/2001, you wrote: >On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 11:02:37AM +0200, Gianmarco Giovannelli wrote: > > At 01/07/2001, you wrote: > > > > > > >I have a 4.3-STABLE laptop, installed from a 4.3 CDROM. > > > > > >If I do a: > > >cd /usr/src > > >make kernel > > > > > >with KERNCONF=FREEBSD it stops in this way: > > > > > >make: don't know how to make > > >/usr/src/sys/modules/ipfilter/../../netinet/mlfk_ipl.c. Stop > >Your src/sys/modules/ipfilter/Makefile is out of date. That file does >not exist. > >Not exactly sure off the top of my head why building using the "old" >method or GENERIC works. They should fail too if they try to build >this module. > > > Ideas ? Tips ? > >Update src/sys/modules/ipfilter. I delete the ipfilter dirs from both /sys/modules/ipfilter and from contrib tree. Then I run cvsup again and I get the new files. The same make kernel fails: preferred-stack-boundary=2 -c setdef0.c cc -O -pipe -DIPV6FIREWALL -D_KERNEL -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -I- -I. -I@ -I@/../include -m preferred-stack-boundary=2 -c setdef1.c ld -Bshareable -o ip6fw.ko setdef0.o ip6fw.kld setdef1.o ===> ipfilter make: don't know how to make /usr/src/sys/modules/ipfilter/../../netinet/mlfk_ipl.c. Stop *** Error code 2 So why it continue to stop ? Is "make kernel" and "config -r FREEBSD && cd ../../compile/FREEBSD && make depend && make install" make things using different Makefiles ? I use always mergemaster too to updated the system scripts. Btw a some considerations. a) Cvsup is running in exact mode so I allow the deletion of files too... The dir /sys/modules/ipfilter had a lot of files before I delete it, after I recreated it with cvsup I get only a Makefile with version : # $FreeBSD: src/sys/modules/ipfilter/Makefile,v 1.2.2.2 2001/06/07 05:11:44 jlemon Exp $ ... but why cvsup doesn't delete them by itself during the last updated I run (and I run a lot of them :-) ? If I didn't manually remove them I continue to carry them in my tree... b) Why any other boxes I have installed from 4.2-RELEASE and the cvsupped has the right files in the ipfilter dir ? (only a Makefile). c) Could it be a problem related to the src tree installed from the 4.3-RELEASE cdrom that cvsup is not able to handle properly ? Now I think I'll wipe all my src tree and then I try to get it again to see if the problem is still here. Please stay tuned... Best Regards, Gianmarco Giovannelli , "Unix expert since yesterday" http://www.giovannelli.it/~gmarco http://www2.masternet.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 23:47:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dart.sr.se (dart.SR.SE [193.12.91.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A07B37B405 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:47:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gunnar@pluto.sr.se) Received: from honken.sr.se ([134.25.128.27]) by dart.sr.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA46703; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:47:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar@pluto.sr.se) Received: from pluto.sr.se (pluto.SR.SE [134.25.193.91]) by honken.sr.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA53798; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:47:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar@pluto.sr.se) Received: (from root@localhost) by pluto.sr.se (8.11.2/8.11.1) id f626l6897303; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:47:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar) Received: (from gunnar@localhost) by pluto.sr.se (8.11.2/8.11.1av) id f626l4b97294; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:47:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:47:04 +0200 From: Gunnar Flygt To: Gianmarco Giovannelli Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: make kernel is broken on ipfilter (4.3-STABLE) Message-ID: <20010702084704.A97160@sr.se> Reply-To: Gunnar Flygt Mail-Followup-To: Gunnar Flygt , Gianmarco Giovannelli , FreeBSD Stable References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010701110225.03ad5558@194.184.65.7> <5.1.0.14.2.20010701110225.03ad5558@194.184.65.7> <20010701112019.C296@blossom.cjclark.org> <5.1.0.14.2.20010702080811.01b1c7b8@194.184.65.7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010702080811.01b1c7b8@194.184.65.7>; from gmarco@scotty.masternet.it on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 08:26:08AM +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 08:26:08AM +0200, Gianmarco Giovannelli wrote: > At 01/07/2001, you wrote: > >On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 11:02:37AM +0200, Gianmarco Giovannelli wrote: > > > At 01/07/2001, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >I have a 4.3-STABLE laptop, installed from a 4.3 CDROM. > > > > > > > >If I do a: > > > >cd /usr/src > > > >make kernel > > > > > > > >with KERNCONF=FREEBSD it stops in this way: > > > > > > > >make: don't know how to make > > > >/usr/src/sys/modules/ipfilter/../../netinet/mlfk_ipl.c. Stop > > > >Your src/sys/modules/ipfilter/Makefile is out of date. That file does > >not exist. > > > >Not exactly sure off the top of my head why building using the "old" > >method or GENERIC works. They should fail too if they try to build > >this module. > > > > > Ideas ? Tips ? > > > >Update src/sys/modules/ipfilter. > > I delete the ipfilter dirs from both /sys/modules/ipfilter and from contrib > tree. Then I run cvsup again and I get the new files. > > The same make kernel fails: > > preferred-stack-boundary=2 -c setdef0.c > cc -O -pipe -DIPV6FIREWALL -D_KERNEL -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs > -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual > -fformat-extensions -ansi -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -I- -I. -I@ > -I@/../include -m > preferred-stack-boundary=2 -c setdef1.c > ld -Bshareable -o ip6fw.ko setdef0.o ip6fw.kld setdef1.o > ===> ipfilter > make: don't know how to make I had the same problem. I deleted the total /usr/obj tree and remade the world, and then kernel. Then it works. You have to `chflags noschg -R /usr/obj` before you can delete the whole lot. > /usr/src/sys/modules/ipfilter/../../netinet/mlfk_ipl.c. Stop > *** Error code 2 > > So why it continue to stop ? > Is "make kernel" and "config -r FREEBSD && cd ../../compile/FREEBSD && > make depend && make install" > make things using different Makefiles ? > > I use always mergemaster too to updated the system scripts. > > Btw a some considerations. > > a) Cvsup is running in exact mode so I allow the deletion of files too... > The dir /sys/modules/ipfilter had a lot of files before I delete it, after > I recreated it with cvsup I get only a Makefile with version : > > # $FreeBSD: src/sys/modules/ipfilter/Makefile,v 1.2.2.2 2001/06/07 05:11:44 > jlemon Exp $ > > ... but why cvsup doesn't delete them by itself during the last updated I > run (and I run a lot of them :-) ? > If I didn't manually remove them I continue to carry them in my tree... > > b) Why any other boxes I have installed from 4.2-RELEASE and the cvsupped > has the right files in the ipfilter dir ? (only a Makefile). > > c) Could it be a problem related to the src tree installed from the > 4.3-RELEASE cdrom that cvsup is not able to handle properly ? Now I think > I'll wipe all my src tree and then I try to get it again to see if the > problem is still here. > > Please stay tuned... > > > > > Best Regards, > Gianmarco Giovannelli , "Unix expert since yesterday" > http://www.giovannelli.it/~gmarco > http://www2.masternet.it > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- __o regards, Gunnar ---_ \<,_ email: flygt@sr.se ---- (_)/ (_) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 1 23:56:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A20D37B408 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:56:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@earthlink.net) Received: from blossom.cjclark.org (dialup-209.245.135.39.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net [209.245.135.39]) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14353; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f626uZs12752; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:56:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:56:34 -0700 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: Sergey Solyanik Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.4-RELEASE -> 4.3-STABLE ? Message-ID: <20010701235634.W296@blossom.cjclark.org> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <20010702092152.A17006@solikus.sumy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010702092152.A17006@solikus.sumy.net>; from solik@sumy.net on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 09:21:52AM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 09:21:52AM +0300, Sergey Solyanik wrote: > Hello! > > Is there is a way for upgrade running 3.4-RELEASE system up to 4.3-STABLE ? > `make buildworld' fails at some points, even installing `gcc295' port > doesn't help. /usr/src/UPDATING > Is it possible or I need to save my /etc and reinstall system from > 4.3-STABLE floppy? ITYM, 4.3-RELEASE floppy? But that is an option too. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@alum.mit.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 2 0: 1:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sbtx.tmn.ru (sbtx.tmn.ru [212.76.160.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2EA37B409 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:01:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from serg@sbtx.tmn.ru) Received: from sv.tech.sibitex.tmn.ru (sv.tech.sibitex.tmn.ru [212.76.160.59]) by sbtx.tmn.ru (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6271LI17502; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:01:21 +0600 (YEKST) (envelope-from serg@sbtx.tmn.ru) Received: (from serg@localhost) by sv.tech.sibitex.tmn.ru (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6271LY10286; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:01:21 +0600 (YEKST) (envelope-from serg) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:01:21 +0600 From: "Sergey N. Voronkov" To: Sergey Solyanik Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.4-RELEASE -> 4.3-STABLE ? Message-ID: <20010702130121.A10238@sv.tech.sibitex.tmn.ru> References: <20010702092152.A17006@solikus.sumy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010702092152.A17006@solikus.sumy.net>; from solik@sumy.net on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 09:21:52AM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 09:21:52AM +0300, Sergey Solyanik wrote: > Hello! > > Is there is a way for upgrade running 3.4-RELEASE system up to 4.3-STABLE ? > `make buildworld' fails at some points, even installing `gcc295' port > doesn't help. > > Is it possible or I need to save my /etc and reinstall system from > 4.3-STABLE floppy? > > Thanks! Hi! Please, read maillist archive as an /usr/src/UPDATING... In short words: 1) 3.4-R -> 3.5-S 2) 3.5-S -> 4.1.1-R 3) 4.1.1-R -> 4.3-S Bye! Serg N. Voronkov. P.S.: Better you can use binary upgrade - it'l be shorter downtime... And you don't need to remove old libraries/binaries if you choose to newfs on /,/usr etc (backap your data!). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 2 1:27: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail13.bigmailbox.com (mail13.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA5E37B403 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:27:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mujahidin@egypt.net) Received: œby mail13.bigmailbox.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA25104; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:27:04 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:27:04 -0700 Message-Id: <200107020827.BAA25104@mail13.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [212.116.158.36] From: "Cheffo Izroda" To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: smbfs problem Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I can not compile my cernel with : options netsmb options netsmbcrypto options smbfs Some one to know why ??? -= Cheffo =- ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 2 1:45:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail13.bigmailbox.com (mail13.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7743637B401 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:45:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mujahidin@egypt.net) Received: œby mail13.bigmailbox.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA26480; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:45:16 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:45:16 -0700 Message-Id: <200107020845.BAA26480@mail13.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [212.116.158.36] From: "Cheffo Izroda" To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: problem with smbfs Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG When I try to deinstall smbfs I have this error root#make deinstall ===> Deinstalling for smbfs-1.4.1 pkg_delete: file `///modules/smbfs.ko' doesn't really exist pkg_delete: couldn't entirely delete package (perhaps the packing list is incorrectly specified?) Someone to know whre can be smbfs.ko ? -= Cheffo =- ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 2 1:47:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from edgemaster.zombie.org (cx497943-d.omhaw1.ne.home.com [24.3.233.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36ACA37B409 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:47:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from smkelly@zombie.org) Received: by edgemaster.zombie.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 05ACA103A06; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 03:47:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 03:47:31 -0500 From: Sean Kelly To: "Jonathan M. Slivko" Cc: Piet Delport , stable@freebsd.org, Juha Saarinen , "Philip J. Koenig" Subject: Re: Staying *really stable* in FreeBSD Message-ID: <20010702034731.A1306@edgemaster.zombie.org> References: <20010702023630.A780505@ATHALON> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 01:47:13AM +0100, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: > uhmm... your HTML tags are a lil outta order. Now, for the more serious > stuff: I happen to like Outlook Express or Netscape Mail (even though I > use pine for my mail most of the time). Instead of asking should this be > moved to -chat, the better question is why are we even discussing Windows > based products in a FreeBSD mailing list? *hits you all with a cluestick* Personally, I prefer mutt. It's easy integration with PGP/GnuPG make it an excellent choice for modern communication on the Internet. Between GnuPG and IPSec, I am fairly secure in my communications. I happen to use Mutt in thread mode. In fact, this offtopic thread has accomplished the task of branching all the way to the right edge of my monitor, which is a hint that maybe this offtopic thread needs to be silently placed under a table and never talked about again. Thank you for taking the time to read my polite rant, and feel free not to respond to me unless your response is of the positive nature. Have a nice day. --=20 Sean Kelly | PGP KeyID: 77042C7B smkelly@zombie.org | http://www.zombie.org For PGP key, send e-mail with subject "send pgp key" --Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE7QDUj2aukpHcELHsRAqyLAJ96THVooxpylv792mNEh2BSQWTX5gCfdYlX MvdhtObBLjCqB1GNw0rtc9U= =NJCx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 2 1:54:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6232C37B408; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:54:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Received: from klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE (Sturm@klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f628shg56075; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:54:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:54:43 +0200 (CEST) From: "Hartmann, O." To: Cc: Subject: HELP! Server crashes since last cvsupdate! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello. Since our last update Friday, 29th June, both SMP machines run into a "stuck" condition after a while. This happened now two times and I do not know what happens. The machines do not respond on console inputs, keyboards seem to be dead. Over network, accessing the machines via ssh or telnet results in a short message, then they hung after typing passowrd (ssh) or trying to connect (telnet). Both machines have NFS running. A third server attached to the same network node (behind a switch), an UP machine, is still alive (acts also as a NFS server) and fully accessible. What's up with FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE? Has something important been changed in networking?Oliver liver -- MfG O. Hartmann ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de ---------------------------------------------------------------- IT-Administration des Institut fuer Physik der Atmosphaere (IPA) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz Becherweg 21 55099 Mainz Tel: +496131/3924662 (Maschinenraum) Tel: +496131/3924144 FAX: +496131/3923532 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 2 2:49:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dilbert.firstcallgroup.co.uk (dilbert.firstcallgroup.co.uk [194.203.69.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD08A37B401; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 02:49:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfrench@firstcallgroup.co.uk) Received: from pfrench by dilbert.firstcallgroup.co.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15H0Kk-000344-00; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:49:34 +0100 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de Subject: Re: HELP! Server crashes since last cvsupdate! Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: From: Pete French Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:49:34 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Since our last update Friday, 29th June, both SMP machines run > into a "stuck" condition after a while. This happened now two times > and I do not know what happens. I've been seeing this effect since 4.3-RELEASE actually. WIth pretty much identical symptoms to the ones you descibe. Asking here earlier people seemed to think that it was the disc controllers getting locked up as this will lead to the effects described. Sometimes the machine will run for weeks at a time, sometimes it will freeze after a few hours. The easiest way I can make it lockup is to try and access a very large file from two processes at once. I'm currently trying to find time to work out how to use the kernel debugging stuff to connect over the network and see what sort of state the kernels in (which it is apparently posssible to do). But not really got anywhere with that yet. I'd be intyerested in knowing what sort of machine you have and what the components are to see if theres anything that both systems have in common (other than the SMP bits). cheers, -pcf. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 2 3: 3:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E83CD37B409; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 03:03:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Received: from klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE (Sturm@klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f62A3D800906; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:03:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:03:13 +0200 (CEST) From: "Hartmann, O." To: Pete French Cc: , Subject: Re: HELP! Server crashes since last cvsupdate! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Pete French wrote: Both machines are SMP systems and here I send the dmesg output. They use both an AMI MegaRAID U160 SCSI controller, the big on uses the Enterprise 1600, the smaller on the Elite 1600. ATMOS (Enterprise1600) Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #104: Mon Jul 2 11:32:08 CEST 2001 root@atmos.physik.uni-mainz.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ATMOS Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (868.57-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x683 Stepping = 3 Features=0x387fbff real memory = 2147483648 (2097152K bytes) avail memory = 2087956480 (2039020K bytes) Programming 16 pins in IOAPIC #0 IOAPIC #0 intpin 2 -> irq 0 Programming 16 pins in IOAPIC #1 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 1, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 io0 (APIC): apic id: 2, version: 0x000f0011, at 0xfec00000 io1 (APIC): apic id: 3, version: 0x000f0011, at 0xfec01000 Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0394000. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard IOAPIC #1 intpin 13 -> irq 2 IOAPIC #1 intpin 12 -> irq 16 IOAPIC #1 intpin 7 -> irq 17 pci0: on pcib0 pcib3: at device 0.1 on pci0 IOAPIC #1 intpin 1 -> irq 18 pci1: on pcib3 pci1: at 0.0 irq 18 sym0: <896> port 0xf800-0xf8ff mem 0xfeafe000-0xfeafffff,0xfeafac00-0xfeafafff irq 2 at device 1.0 on pci0 sym0: Symbios NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-40, LVD, parity checking sym0: open drain IRQ line driver, using on-chip SRAM sym0: using LOAD/STORE-based firmware. sym0: handling phase mismatch from SCRIPTS. sym1: <896> port 0xf400-0xf4ff mem 0xfeafc000-0xfeafdfff,0xfeafa800-0xfeafabff irq 16 at device 1.1 on pci0 sym1: Symbios NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-40, SE, parity checking sym1: open drain IRQ line driver, using on-chip SRAM sym1: using LOAD/STORE-based firmware. sym1: handling phase mismatch from SCRIPTS. pcib5: at device 3.0 on pci0 IOAPIC #1 intpin 2 -> irq 19 pci2: on pcib5 pcib6: at device 0.0 on pci2 IOAPIC #1 intpin 0 -> irq 20 pci3: on pcib6 amr0: mem 0xf4000000-0xf7ffffff irq 20 at device 0.0 on pci3 amr0: Firmware A159, BIOS 3.11, 64MB RAM pci2: (vendor=0x1077, dev=0x1216) at 1.0 irq 18 pci2: (vendor=0x1077, dev=0x1216) at 2.0 irq 19 fxp0: port 0xfcc0-0xfcff mem 0xfe900000-0xfe9fffff,0xfeaf9000-0xfeaf9fff irq 17 at device 7.0 on pci0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:e0:81:00:f0:d7 inphy0: on miibus0 inphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto isab0: at device 15.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pci0: at 15.1 pcib1: on motherboard pci4: on pcib1 pcib2: on motherboard pci5: on pcib2 pcib4: on motherboard pci6: on pcib4 orm0:

Hello,

I have the problem with my SMP machine.

After looking in the mailing list I found 2 topic that has the problem alike mine.

1. Last cvsup: openssl broken?

2. RELENG_4 crashes under SMP

My problem is I'm running FreeBSD4.3-Stable (cvs 3 July 2001) , on 2 of SMP machine.

All program that use Openssl (every version of openssl) will hang the machine.

eg. Net_SSLeay.pm-1.05 (make test) , Apache-SSL (make certificate)

Hope this bug will be solved soon, before too many people download and running it on production system.

Sincerely,

Nartpong A.


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http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1714636915-994358226=:33726-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 5 11:40:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1.sentex.ca [199.212.134.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6315237B407 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:40:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f65IeYN99780; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:40:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010705143316.037d4930@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 14:34:38 -0400 To: Nattapong Ampornaramweth , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: FreeBSD4.3-Stable SMP problem In-Reply-To: <20010705183706.34557.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Keep reading the maling list as you will see that the SMP fix was committed already. Also, there was a major SSL commit last night as well. So try and cvsup to the latest sources today and see if it fixes your problems which it probably will. ---Mike At 11:37 AM 7/5/01 -0700, Nattapong Ampornaramweth wrote: >Hello, > >I have the problem with my SMP machine. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 5 11:54:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (pixpat.austin.ibm.com [192.35.232.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6CE37B406 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:54:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (8.11.3/8.9.3) id f65E7Bq00444; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:07:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from grog) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:07:11 -0500 From: Greg Lehey To: Antony T Curtis Cc: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" , Josef Karthauser , lists@globalrelay.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help) Message-ID: <20010705090711.D371@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> References: <20010608134705.19635.qmail@web14701.mail.yahoo.com> <004001c0f030$36a0d3e0$0600020a@frontend> <20010612120958.G10614@tao.org.uk> <20010612192245.4ce69cf3.steveo@eircom.net> <20010613102151.G5486@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3B42F210.C49FCED8@abacus.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B42F210.C49FCED8@abacus.co.uk>; from antony@abacus.co.uk on Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 11:38:08AM +0100 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wednesday, 4 July 2001 at 11:38:08 +0100, Antony T Curtis wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, 12 June 2001 at 19:22:45 +0200, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:09:58 +0100 >>> Josef Karthauser wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 08:32:23AM -0700, Eric Parusel wrote: >>>>>>> A journalling FS for those people who just hate waiting for a >>>>> couple >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> TB of slow disks to fsck? >>>>>> >>>>>> Does ReiserFS work with FreeBSD? >>>>> >>>>>> From what I've read, XFS is quite good as well.... (Whether or not = it >>>>> could ever work with *BSD, I don't know) >>>> >>>> Apparently XFS would run better on FreeBSD than on Linux, from what >>> >>> Whatever happened to the open source release of JFS, or is JFS re= ally >>> bad ? >> >> The open source version of JFS was based on OS/2, not AIX. It's not >> an overly good fit to UNIX. > > That was only because AIX's JFS implementation was so closely bound into > their kernel that there was no easy way to "port" it out of it. Also, > AFAIK, it was written in a mesh of different languages too, including > POWER architecture assembly. > > The OS/2 version was the first clean implementation to plug into OS/2's > IFS driver model - and being written in C, it is much more 'portable'. > (AFAIK, it was supposed to be able to be recompiled for OS/2 for CHRP > PowerPC) Since writing that (quite some time ago, IIRC) I have joined IBM and am now working with the people who did the JFS port. They substantially confirm your viewpoint, with the added information that the "old" JFS, now called JFS 1, is being phased out under AIX, and the "new" AIX JFS, JFS 2, is based on the same code base as the OS/2 port. With that background, IBM's approach makes a lot more sense. It's a pity that this issue wasn't clarified earlier. > All said, I would be interested in a JFS port for FreeBSD .... I'm going to be doing a lot of work on JFS in the next few months. I don't think I'll port it to FreeBSD, but I'll be available for questions, and I'll have a better understanding. >> =01unix soit qui mal y pense You're aware that the original word of this phrase, "hon(n)i", means "ashamed"? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 5 11:59:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from host213-123-128-65.btopenworld.com (host213-123-128-65.btopenworld.com [213.123.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4DB837B405 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:59:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dominic@host213-123-128-65.btopenworld.com) Received: (from dominic@localhost) by host213-123-128-65.btopenworld.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f65Ixct84368; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:59:38 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dominic) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:58:17 +0100 From: Dominic Marks To: Paul Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: buildkernel fails in machine/atomic.h on clean/fresh source Message-ID: <20010705195817.A503@btinternet.com> References: <20010705115007.A63161@tribble.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010705115007.A63161@tribble.net>; from tribble@tribble.net on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 11:50:07AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 11:50:07AM -0600, Paul wrote: > I had this very same problem... > > I'm still not really sure exactly what it was that was causing it, but > here is what i did: > > removed/commented all entries for CPUTYPE, CFLAGS, COPTFLAGS from my > make.conf, rebuilt world, rebuilt kernel. after i did that, i could put > the cputype back in and recompile the world and kernel and it worked > fine... Superb! It worked. Perhaps the makefile gurus could figure this one out? > > it doesn't look like you're even using CPUTYPE, but perhaps some of those > other optimizations are causing you trouble. > I did use, -march=i686 previously ... could have been that. > Regards, > Paul > > http://www.tribble.net/ > > "You can't have everything. Where would you put it?" > -- Steven Wright Dominic Marks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 5 12: 6:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.pilikia.net (ns1.pilikia.net [63.173.194.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C843737B401 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:06:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from art@pilikia.net) Received: from gecko (gecko.local.net [10.25.0.9]) by ns1.pilikia.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f65J6Am27908 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:06:10 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from art@pilikia.net) Message-ID: <200107050906100800.0496E3F3@smtp> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.20.02.00 (3) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 09:06:10 -1000 Reply-To: art@pilikia.net From: "Arthur W. Neilson III" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Vinum disk mirroring Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS/NAI-uvscan-4.14 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We are building a new freebsd 4.3 based server and don't have the funding for a controller such as the AMI MegaRAID so are looking at alternatives. How well does Vinum disk mirroring work? Is it reliable enough to use on a production server? -- __ / ) _/_ It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. /--/ __ / Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, / (_/ (_<__ Instead of theories to suit facts. -- Sherlock Holmes, "A Scandal in Bohemia" Arthur W. Neilson III, WH7N - FISTS #7448 Bank of Hawaii Network Services http://www.pilikia.net art@pilikia.net, aneilson@boh.com, wh7n@arrl.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 5 12:14:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from damgwp01.corp.sprint.com (parker2.sprint.com [199.14.91.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF1A37B403 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:14:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve.d.meacham@mail.sprint.com) Received: from kcmgwp02.corp.sprint.com (kcmgwp02 [10.185.6.93]) by damgwp01.corp.sprint.com (Switch-2.0.2/Switch-2.0.2) with ESMTP id f65JR5022395; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:27:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kcopmp01.corp.sprint.com (kcopmp01m.corp.sprint.com [10.74.2.72]) by kcmgwp02.corp.sprint.com (Switch-2.0.2/Switch-2.0.2) with ESMTP id f65JE3f22346; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:14:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by kcopmp01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA09700; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:14:02 -0500 (CDT) From: steve.d.meacham@mail.sprint.com X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:14:01 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: RE: ie ethernet device driver MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ale@unixmania.net, steve.d.meacham@mail.sprint.com Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-48f87fe9-00000001" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --openmail-part-48f87fe9-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline ;Creation-Date="Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:14:01 -0500" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're right. The driver is still listed in a number of places including man, LINT, the source, etc. However, it is unusable because it has been removed from isa_compat.h so it cannot be recognized by the OS. In addition, there is an intermittent bug (PR 16214) with the driver. There is a fix available that fixes both of these problems: http://www.jfitz.com/tips/freebsd_etherexpress16.html It modifies the following files, which are the culprits for the current lack of support for the ie driver: /usr/src/sys/dev/ie/if_ie.c and /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/isa_compat.h The fix works great and I've had no issues with the machines running it, even though I put a fairly heavy load on both of them for network services. Steven -----Original Message----- From: ale [mailto:ale@unixmania.net] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 12:27 PM To: steve.d.meacham Cc: ale Subject: Re: ie ethernet device driver On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 11:35:51AM -0500, steve.d.meacham@mail.sprint.com wrote: > I have two machines which still use the ie ethernet driver. It seems > to have been removed from -STABLE for a while now, but I'm not sure why. mmm.. are you sure ? I ask because I both see "device ie0 ...." in /sys/i386/conf/LINT and "man 4 ie" works. I've not tried to compile a kernel with this, but it seems to me device ie is still available. my box is 4.3-stable hope this help :-) -- bye! Ale ale@unixmania.net --openmail-part-48f87fe9-00000001-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 5 13: 3:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB54D37B406; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:03:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Received: from klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE (Sturm@klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f65K3PU00928; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:03:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:03:25 +0200 (CEST) From: "Hartmann, O." To: Cc: Subject: Linuxulator on SMP systems broken? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello. Within the last week we rushed into a seriuos SMP problem with our SMP servers due a bug in the FBSD 4.2-STABLE code. Since then we have also on all SMP systems a problem with several Linux applications, which work perfect on UP systems with the same installation and installation date (as cvsupdated today). It is very important to have NCAR graphics 4.2.1 working here and it did before the 1. June. The phenomenon is, that an application called IDT (a visualization tool under NCARG) works perfect under all UP systems and suddenly not under our SMP machines. When applying a 'truss idt' I receive a "SIG 20" whenever I try to push a button. Does anyone else have problems with the Linuxulator after the horrible SMP problems? Maybe this problem is not related to the SMP problem, but it is very suspicous that it occured after this problem occured due the fact we did not change any kind of configuration ... -- MfG O. Hartmann ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de ---------------------------------------------------------------- IT-Administration des Institut fuer Physik der Atmosphaere (IPA) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz Becherweg 21 55099 Mainz Tel: +496131/3924662 (Maschinenraum) Tel: +496131/3924144 FAX: +496131/3923532 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 5 13:42: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (dhcp44-21.dis.org [216.240.44.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033B037B406 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:41:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f65Kt6901296; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:55:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200107052055.f65Kt6901296@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: thomas@cuivre.fr.eu.org Cc: "Scott G. Akmentins-Taylor" , Rob , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Install fail on Dell PowerEdge 1550 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 05 Jul 2001 14:50:19 +0200." <20010705145019.A8499@melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 13:55:06 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Le 2001-07-05, Scott G. Akmentins-Taylor =E9crivait : > = > > > I'm trying to install FreeBSD 4.3 from an ISO image I got from > > > ftp.uk.freebsd.org on a Dell PowerEdge 1550 server. > = > > I had this identical problem on a PowerEdge 5166. > = > Did either of you try to boot the OS through GRUB? This failure occurs before GRUB is/would be loaded. -- = =2E.. every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 5 13:51:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 210BE37B401; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:51:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from james-list@ntlworld.com) Received: from eclipse.bloodflowers.org ([62.253.132.240]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010705205123.XHAH351.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@eclipse.bloodflowers.org>; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:51:23 +0100 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:51:23 +0100 From: James Greenhalgh To: "Hartmann, O." Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linuxulator on SMP systems broken? Message-Id: <20010705215123.50d2fccc.james-list@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.66 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My machine is still suffering these problems when SMP support is enabled, and it should be noted that it hangs very much more quickly when using linuxemu (in my case opera, but also netscape). I only had 2 system hangs when in console mode, but closer to 20 with linuxemu running. These are _total_ system hangs, requiring power cycle. james On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:03:25 +0200 (CEST) "Hartmann, O." wrote: > Hello. > > Within the last week we rushed into a seriuos SMP problem with our SMP servers > due a bug in the FBSD 4.2-STABLE code. Since then we have also on all SMP systems > a problem with several Linux applications, which work perfect on UP systems with the > same installation and installation date (as cvsupdated today). > > It is very important to have NCAR graphics 4.2.1 working here and it did before > the 1. June. > > The phenomenon is, that an application called IDT (a visualization tool under > NCARG) works perfect under all UP systems and suddenly not under our SMP machines. > When applying a 'truss idt' I receive a "SIG 20" whenever I try to push a button. > > Does anyone else have problems with the Linuxulator after the horrible SMP problems? > Maybe this problem is not related to the SMP problem, but it is very suspicous that > it occured after this problem occured due the fact we did not change any kind of > configuration ... > > -- > MfG > O. Hartmann > > ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > IT-Administration des Institut fuer Physik der Atmosphaere (IPA) > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz > Becherweg 21 > 55099 Mainz > > Tel: +496131/3924662 (Maschinenraum) > Tel: +496131/3924144 > FAX: +496131/3923532 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- find great crazy-mad out-of-head experience from japan. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 5 14:43:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from netau1.alcanet.com.au (ntp.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB79637B406 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:43:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: from mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au (mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au [139.188.23.1]) by netau1.alcanet.com.au (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26089; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 07:37:24 +1000 (EST) Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au by cim.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #37640) with ESMTP id <01K5LPPSBRAOVLUKID@cim.alcatel.com.au>; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 07:37:23 +1000 Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f65LbMU68233; Fri, 06 Jul 2001 07:37:22 +1000 (EST envelope-from jeremyp) Content-return: prohibited Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 07:37:22 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help) In-reply-to: <3B4492CA.20F38CD0@abacus.co.uk>; from antony@abacus.co.uk on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 05:16:10PM +0100 To: Antony T Curtis Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: Antony T Curtis , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <20010706073722.S506@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: <20010612192245.4ce69cf3.steveo@eircom.net> <20010613102151.G5486@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3B42F210.C49FCED8@abacus.co.uk> <20010704120413G.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <3B4492CA.20F38CD0@abacus.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001-Jul-05 17:16:10 +0100, Antony T Curtis wrote: >Step two is to grab a old DASD... Create a JFS partition on it with me >ol'rusty OS/2 box and see if I can read ;) > >I wonder if something like the LVM should be ported first of all... man 8 vinum Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 5 15:41: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD2937B409; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:40:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Received: from klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE (Sturm@klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f65MeqU05406; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 00:40:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 00:40:52 +0200 (CEST) From: "Hartmann, O." To: James Greenhalgh Cc: , Subject: Re: Linuxulator on SMP systems broken? In-Reply-To: <20010705215123.50d2fccc.james-list@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, James Greenhalgh wrote: Since three hours both servers run with SMP kernel, but the Linuxulator problem is still present. What the hell is that? Am I the only one with this specific problems? Every thursday we have a course in theoretical meteorology and therefore several small Fortran programs are written by the students, producing output by NCARG via IDT tool. The malfunction occured today, when the students tried to show their results - last week, before this big catastrophy, all things run well and nothing has been changed in the Linuxulator config or in binaries. Today, only those machines running with a single CPU are capable using IDT! All SMP machines, either with or without SMP activated, fail in running IDT with a SIG 20. :>My machine is still suffering these problems when SMP support is enabled, and :>it should be noted that it hangs very much more quickly when using linuxemu :>(in my case opera, but also netscape). I only had 2 system hangs when in :>console mode, but closer to 20 with linuxemu running. These are _total_ :>system hangs, requiring power cycle. :> :>james :> :>On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:03:25 +0200 (CEST) :>"Hartmann, O." wrote: :> :>> Hello. :>> :>> Within the last week we rushed into a seriuos SMP problem with our SMP :>servers :>> due a bug in the FBSD 4.2-STABLE code. Since then we have also on all SMP :>systems :>> a problem with several Linux applications, which work perfect on UP systems :>with the :>> same installation and installation date (as cvsupdated today). :>> :>> It is very important to have NCAR graphics 4.2.1 working here and it did :>before :>> the 1. June. :>> :>> The phenomenon is, that an application called IDT (a visualization tool :>under :>> NCARG) works perfect under all UP systems and suddenly not under our SMP :>machines. :>> When applying a 'truss idt' I receive a "SIG 20" whenever I try to push a :>button. :>> :>> Does anyone else have problems with the Linuxulator after the horrible SMP :>problems? :>> Maybe this problem is not related to the SMP problem, but it is very :>suspicous that :>> it occured after this problem occured due the fact we did not change any :>kind of :>> configuration ... :>> :>> -- :>> MfG :>> O. Hartmann :>> :>> ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de :>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- :>> IT-Administration des Institut fuer Physik der Atmosphaere (IPA) :>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- :>> Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz :>> Becherweg 21 :>> 55099 Mainz :>> :>> Tel: +496131/3924662 (Maschinenraum) :>> Tel: +496131/3924144 :>> FAX: +496131/3923532 :>> :>> :>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message :> :> :>-- :> :>find great crazy-mad out-of-head experience from japan. :> -- MfG O. Hartmann ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de ---------------------------------------------------------------- IT-Administration des Institut fuer Physik der Atmosphaere (IPA) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz Becherweg 21 55099 Mainz Tel: +496131/3924662 (Maschinenraum) Tel: +496131/3924144 FAX: +496131/3923532 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 5 15:49:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hex.databits.net (hex.databits.net [207.29.192.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EBC9137B407 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:49:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from petef@hex.databits.net) Received: (qmail 5401 invoked by uid 1001); 5 Jul 2001 22:49:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:49:40 -0400 From: Pete Fritchman To: "Hartmann, O." Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linuxulator on SMP systems broken? Message-ID: <20010705184940.A4140@databits.net> References: <20010705215123.50d2fccc.james-list@ntlworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 12:40:52AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ -questions snipped from cc: ] ++ 06/07/01 00:40 +0200 - Hartmann, O.: | On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, James Greenhalgh wrote: | | Since three hours both servers run with SMP kernel, but the Linuxulator problem | is still present. What the hell is that? Am I the only one with this specific | problems? [...] | IDT tool. The malfunction occured today, when the students tried to show their | results - last week, before this big catastrophy, all things run well and nothing has If the Linuxulator is so critical for you, why don't you fall back to sources from a date that you know work? This would probably be a better idea than constantly complaining about a problem without patches. -pete -- Pete Fritchman Databits Network Services, Inc. finger petef@databits.net for PGP key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 5 15:59:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED1937B403; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:59:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from james-list@ntlworld.com) Received: from eclipse.bloodflowers.org ([62.253.132.240]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010705225935.ZTWI351.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@eclipse.bloodflowers.org>; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 23:59:35 +0100 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 23:59:36 +0100 From: James Greenhalgh To: "Hartmann, O." Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linuxulator on SMP systems broken? Message-Id: <20010705235936.5430925d.james-list@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20010705215123.50d2fccc.james-list@ntlworld.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.66 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oh well - somewhere along the line SMP and/or linux emu has been broken certainly in the past month. I'll be downgrading my machine to a backup tomorrow, I'd recommend you do the same if they're important machines. james On Fri, 6 Jul 2001 00:40:52 +0200 (CEST) "Hartmann, O." wrote: > On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, James Greenhalgh wrote: > > Since three hours both servers run with SMP kernel, but the Linuxulator problem > is still present. What the hell is that? Am I the only one with this specific > problems? > > Every thursday we have a course in theoretical meteorology and therefore several > small Fortran programs are written by the students, producing output by NCARG via > IDT tool. The malfunction occured today, when the students tried to show their > results - last week, before this big catastrophy, all things run well and nothing has > been changed in the Linuxulator config or in binaries. Today, only those machines > running with a single CPU are capable using IDT! All SMP machines, either with or > without SMP activated, fail in running IDT with a SIG 20. > > > :>My machine is still suffering these problems when SMP support is enabled, and > :>it should be noted that it hangs very much more quickly when using linuxemu > :>(in my case opera, but also netscape). I only had 2 system hangs when in > :>console mode, but closer to 20 with linuxemu running. These are _total_ > :>system hangs, requiring power cycle. > :> > :>james > :> > :>On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:03:25 +0200 (CEST) > :>"Hartmann, O." wrote: > :> > :>> Hello. > :>> > :>> Within the last week we rushed into a seriuos SMP problem with our SMP > :>servers > :>> due a bug in the FBSD 4.2-STABLE code. Since then we have also on all SMP > :>systems > :>> a problem with several Linux applications, which work perfect on UP systems > :>with the > :>> same installation and installation date (as cvsupdated today). > :>> > :>> It is very important to have NCAR graphics 4.2.1 working here and it did > :>before > :>> the 1. June. > :>> > :>> The phenomenon is, that an application called IDT (a visualization tool > :>under > :>> NCARG) works perfect under all UP systems and suddenly not under our SMP > :>machines. > :>> When applying a 'truss idt' I receive a "SIG 20" whenever I try to push a > :>button. > :>> > :>> Does anyone else have problems with the Linuxulator after the horrible SMP > :>problems? > :>> Maybe this problem is not related to the SMP problem, but it is very > :>suspicous that > :>> it occured after this problem occured due the fact we did not change any > :>kind of > :>> configuration ... > :>> > :>> -- > :>> MfG > :>> O. Hartmann > :>> > :>> ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de > :>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > :>> IT-Administration des Institut fuer Physik der Atmosphaere (IPA) > :>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > :>> Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz > :>> Becherweg 21 > :>> 55099 Mainz > :>> > :>> Tel: +496131/3924662 (Maschinenraum) > :>> Tel: +496131/3924144 > :>> FAX: +496131/3923532 > :>> > :>> > :>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > :>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > :> > :> > :>-- > :> > :>find great crazy-mad out-of-head experience from japan. > :> > > -- > MfG > O. Hartmann > > ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > IT-Administration des Institut fuer Physik der Atmosphaere (IPA) > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz > Becherweg 21 > 55099 Mainz > > Tel: +496131/3924662 (Maschinenraum) > Tel: +496131/3924144 > FAX: +496131/3923532 > -- find great crazy-mad out-of-head experience from japan. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 5 16:40: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (ip-208.54.94.63.mobilestar.net [208.54.94.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D1437B40B for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:39:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (8.11.3/8.9.3) id f65NVLK00691 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:31:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from grog) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:07:11 -0500 From: Greg Lehey To: Antony T Curtis Cc: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" , Josef Karthauser , lists@globalrelay.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help) Message-ID: <20010705090711.D371@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> References: <20010608134705.19635.qmail@web14701.mail.yahoo.com> <004001c0f030$36a0d3e0$0600020a@frontend> <20010612120958.G10614@tao.org.uk> <20010612192245.4ce69cf3.steveo@eircom.net> <20010613102151.G5486@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3B42F210.C49FCED8@abacus.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B42F210.C49FCED8@abacus.co.uk>; from antony@abacus.co.uk on Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 11:38:08AM +0100 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wednesday, 4 July 2001 at 11:38:08 +0100, Antony T Curtis wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, 12 June 2001 at 19:22:45 +0200, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:09:58 +0100 >>> Josef Karthauser wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 08:32:23AM -0700, Eric Parusel wrote: >>>>>>> A journalling FS for those people who just hate waiting for a >>>>> couple >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> TB of slow disks to fsck? >>>>>> >>>>>> Does ReiserFS work with FreeBSD? >>>>> >>>>>> From what I've read, XFS is quite good as well.... (Whether or not = it >>>>> could ever work with *BSD, I don't know) >>>> >>>> Apparently XFS would run better on FreeBSD than on Linux, from what >>> >>> Whatever happened to the open source release of JFS, or is JFS re= ally >>> bad ? >> >> The open source version of JFS was based on OS/2, not AIX. It's not >> an overly good fit to UNIX. > > That was only because AIX's JFS implementation was so closely bound into > their kernel that there was no easy way to "port" it out of it. Also, > AFAIK, it was written in a mesh of different languages too, including > POWER architecture assembly. > > The OS/2 version was the first clean implementation to plug into OS/2's > IFS driver model - and being written in C, it is much more 'portable'. > (AFAIK, it was supposed to be able to be recompiled for OS/2 for CHRP > PowerPC) Since writing that (quite some time ago, IIRC) I have joined IBM and am now working with the people who did the JFS port. They substantially confirm your viewpoint, with the added information that the "old" JFS, now called JFS 1, is being phased out under AIX, and the "new" AIX JFS, JFS 2, is based on the same code base as the OS/2 port. With that background, IBM's approach makes a lot more sense. It's a pity that this issue wasn't clarified earlier. > All said, I would be interested in a JFS port for FreeBSD .... I'm going to be doing a lot of work on JFS in the next few months. I don't think I'll port it to FreeBSD, but I'll be available for questions, and I'll have a better understanding. >> =01unix soit qui mal y pense You're aware that the original word of this phrase, "hon(n)i", means "ashamed"? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 5 16:40:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (ip-208.54.94.63.mobilestar.net [208.54.94.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B391837B440; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:39:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (8.11.3/8.9.3) id f65N0w800549; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:00:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from grog) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 17:55:38 -0500 From: Greg Lehey To: Len Conrad Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: helping Wietse help postfix on FreeBSD Message-ID: <20010705175538.C455@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010703230504.02f8fe50@mail.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010703230504.02f8fe50@mail.Go2France.com>; from LConrad@Go2France.com on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 11:08:57PM +0200 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday, 3 July 2001 at 23:08:57 +0200, Len Conrad wrote: > I´m trying to gather tuning information for Wietse Venema who says: > > "I'm writing a document that describes how to crank up FreeBSD so > that it can run lots of processes, and so that it can handle lots > of connections. > > Right now, these guidelines vary from sysctl, loader.conf, to > recompiling a kernel. This is confusing." > > Of course, what he means "lots of connections" required by 100´s and > 100´s of smtp and smtpd processes in postfix. What system does Wietse normally use? I've just discovered how very badly Linux handles a large number of processes, and it's possible that Wietse thinks that FreeBSD is as bad. Hundreds of processes are not an issue; ftp.FreeBSD.org used to handle thousands. Before we fix a problem, we should know what it is, and if it even exists. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 5 17:32: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from erouter0.it-datacntr.louisville.edu (erouter0.it-datacntr.louisville.edu [136.165.1.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC5137B405; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 17:31:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keith.stevenson@louisville.edu) Received: from osaka.louisville.edu (osaka.louisville.edu [136.165.1.114]) by erouter0.it-datacntr.louisville.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278B411B7; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by osaka.louisville.edu (Postfix, from userid 15) id BCB9018613; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:31:56 -0400 From: Keith Stevenson To: Greg Lehey Cc: Len Conrad , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: helping Wietse help postfix on FreeBSD Message-ID: <20010705203156.C38703@osaka.louisville.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010703230504.02f8fe50@mail.Go2France.com> <20010705175538.C455@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010705175538.C455@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com>; from grog@FreeBSD.org on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 05:55:38PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 05:55:38PM -0500, Greg Lehey wrote: > > What system does Wietse normally use? I've just discovered how very > badly Linux handles a large number of processes, and it's possible > that Wietse thinks that FreeBSD is as bad. Hundreds of processes are > not an issue; ftp.FreeBSD.org used to handle thousands. Before we fix > a problem, we should know what it is, and if it even exists. I'm joining in a bit late, but it's my understanding that Wietse develops postfix on an older FreeBSD system. He may have made some choice statements about FreeBSD, but his criticisms of Linux, especially the filesystems, are scorching. Regards, --Keith Stevenson-- -- Keith Stevenson System Programmer - Data Center Services - University of Louisville keith.stevenson@louisville.edu GPG key fingerprint = 332D 97F0 6321 F00F 8EE7 2D44 00D8 F384 75BB 89AE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 5 17:35: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sneakerz.org (sneakerz.org [216.33.66.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF0237B401; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 17:35:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@sneakerz.org) Received: by sneakerz.org (Postfix, from userid 1092) id 725B55D01F; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:34:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:34:50 -0500 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Keith Stevenson Cc: Greg Lehey , Len Conrad , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: helping Wietse help postfix on FreeBSD Message-ID: <20010705193450.B79818@sneakerz.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010703230504.02f8fe50@mail.Go2France.com> <20010705175538.C455@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> <20010705203156.C38703@osaka.louisville.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20010705203156.C38703@osaka.louisville.edu>; from keith.stevenson@louisville.edu on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 08:31:56PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Keith Stevenson [010705 19:32] wrote: > On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 05:55:38PM -0500, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > > What system does Wietse normally use? I've just discovered how very > > badly Linux handles a large number of processes, and it's possible > > that Wietse thinks that FreeBSD is as bad. Hundreds of processes are > > not an issue; ftp.FreeBSD.org used to handle thousands. Before we fix > > a problem, we should know what it is, and if it even exists. > > I'm joining in a bit late, but it's my understanding that Wietse develops > postfix on an older FreeBSD system. He may have made some choice > statements about FreeBSD, but his criticisms of Linux, especially the > filesystems, are scorching. Where can one read his criticisms? -- -Alfred Perlstein [alfred@freebsd.org] Ok, who wrote this damn function called '??'? And why do my programs keep crashing in it? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 5 18:32:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D680D37B401 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:32:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14355 for stable@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:32:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:32:10 -0700 From: "Chad R. Larson" To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: CVSup behavior Message-ID: <20010705183210.A14349@freeway.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Why is it, that sometimes when I update my local copy of the Repository, CVSup logs a "SetAttrs" on (seemingly) every file? Happened just now, for example. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 5 18:38:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB92637B409; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:38:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.1]) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 15IKZS-0002iG-00; Fri, 06 Jul 2001 13:38:14 +1200 Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:38:14 +1200 (NZST) From: Juha Saarinen To: Keith Stevenson Cc: "freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org" , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: helping Wietse help postfix on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20010705203156.C38703@osaka.louisville.edu> Message-ID: X-S: Always MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Keith Stevenson wrote: > I'm joining in a bit late, but it's my understanding that Wietse develops > postfix on an older FreeBSD system. He may have made some choice > statements about FreeBSD, but his criticisms of Linux, especially the > filesystems, are scorching. Are these archived somewhere? On the Postfix mailing list? -- Regards, Juha PGP fingerprint: B7E1 CC52 5FCA 9756 B502 10C8 4CD8 B066 12F3 9544 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 5 19:24:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peter3.wemm.org (c1315225-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com [65.0.135.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70CE537B405; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:24:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by peter3.wemm.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f662OYM65792; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:24:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43DC93809; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:24:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Greg Lehey Cc: Len Conrad , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: helping Wietse help postfix on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20010705175538.C455@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 19:24:34 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20010706022434.43DC93809@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > On Tuesday, 3 July 2001 at 23:08:57 +0200, Len Conrad wrote: > > I´m trying to gather tuning information for Wietse Venema who says: > > > > "I'm writing a document that describes how to crank up FreeBSD so > > that it can run lots of processes, and so that it can handle lots > > of connections. > > > > Right now, these guidelines vary from sysctl, loader.conf, to > > recompiling a kernel. This is confusing." > > > > Of course, what he means "lots of connections" required by 100´s and > > 100´s of smtp and smtpd processes in postfix. > > What system does Wietse normally use? I've just discovered how very > badly Linux handles a large number of processes, and it's possible > that Wietse thinks that FreeBSD is as bad. Hundreds of processes are > not an issue; ftp.FreeBSD.org used to handle thousands. Before we fix > a problem, we should know what it is, and if it even exists. The other interesting thing to throw into the mix is that mx2.freebsd.org really causes some pain for postfix. We needed to make quite a few tweaks to get it to run well. postfix's biggest problem is that it uses select() and is extremely vulnerable to select collisions (as in: millions per day on mx2.freebsd.org at one point). FreeBSD's scheduler is not up to the task. We run 512 parallel delivery smtp senders on mx2, and this causes severe pain for the kernel. It thrashes priorities and does generally really unhappy things. We had to do things like run certain processes in realtime priority mode to avoid the starvation when the scheduler drastically overcompensates and moves the key processes out of the top priority band slot (slot 0 in the 32 run queues). We also had to make the context switching happen a lot faster. Running sched_cpu() at 1 second intervals just SUCKS because it takes a full second to correct drastic miscalculations. (we run HZ faster, reduce kern.quantum, tweak the sched_cpu run rate and algorithms, run stuff in rtprio mode (qmgr), etc) In spite of this, we do get the majority of the mailing list recipients delivered in a few seconds. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 5 20:48:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E5C37B405 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:48:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (helo=den2) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 15IMb8-0000BX-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jul 2001 15:48:06 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: Subject: Disk recovery pointers, please Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:48:16 +1200 Message-ID: <036c01c105ce$7d0f96a0$0a01a8c0@den2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Trying to sort out a server that upon rebooting comes up with: /dev/da1s1d: CANNOT READ: BLK 16 /dev/da1s1d: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY ... THE FOLLOWING FILE SYSTEMS HAD AN UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY: /dev/da1s1d (/data) Automatic file system check failed . . . help! So, I run fsck manually, and get: CANNOT READ BLK 16 CONTINUE [yn] If I answer 'y' to that, I get: THE FOLLOWING DISK SECTORS COULD NOT BE READ: 16, 17, 18 (all the way to 31). /dev/da1s1d: NOT LABELED AS A BSD FILE SYSTEM (unused). Couldn't find anything useful in the archives or on the Web apart from "reformat"... :-( -- Juha "One pint leads to another." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 5 22:42:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D4837B401 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:42:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f665gED58463; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:42:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.0) id f665gD814959; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:42:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107060542.f665gD814959@vashon.polstra.com> To: stable@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: chad@DCFinc.com Subject: Re: CVSup behavior In-Reply-To: <20010705183210.A14349@freeway.dcfinc.com> References: <20010705183210.A14349@freeway.dcfinc.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <20010705183210.A14349@freeway.dcfinc.com>, Chad R. Larson wrote: > Why is it, that sometimes when I update my local copy of the > Repository, CVSup logs a "SetAttrs" on (seemingly) every file? It's a FAQ: http://www.polstra.com/projects/freeware/CVSup/faq.html#setattrs John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 5 22:51:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fedde.littleton.co.us (cfedde.dsl.frii.net [216.17.139.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E851C37B401 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:51:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cfedde@fedde.littleton.co.us) Received: from fedde.littleton.co.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fedde.littleton.co.us (8.11.4/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f665pJj17669; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 23:51:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200107060551.f665pJj17669@fedde.littleton.co.us> To: "Juha Saarinen" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disk recovery pointers, please In-Reply-To: <036c01c105ce$7d0f96a0$0a01a8c0@den2> From: Chris Fedde Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 23:51:19 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:48:16 +1200 "Juha Saarinen" wrote: +------------------ | Trying to sort out a server that upon rebooting comes up with: | | /dev/da1s1d: CANNOT READ: BLK 16 | /dev/da1s1d: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY | ... | THE FOLLOWING FILE SYSTEMS HAD AN UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY: | | /dev/da1s1d (/data) | | Automatic file system check failed . . . help! | | So, I run fsck manually, and get: | | CANNOT READ BLK 16 | CONTINUE [yn] | | If I answer 'y' to that, I get: | | THE FOLLOWING DISK SECTORS COULD NOT BE READ: | | 16, 17, 18 (all the way to 31). | | /dev/da1s1d: NOT LABELED AS A BSD FILE SYSTEM (unused). | | Couldn't find anything useful in the archives or on the Web apart from | "reformat"... :-( | +------------------ You can try to get fsck to succeed by using an alternate super block. Get a list of superblocks on the drive using newfs -N /dev/da1s1d. then feed one of these into fsck -yb /dev/da1s1d If this succeeds count your self lucky. If it fails it is time to reformat the drive and start recovering your backups. You do have a backup don't you? Good Luck -- Chris Fedde To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 6 1:11:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from warez.scriptkiddie.org (uswest-dsl-142-38.cortland.com [209.162.142.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB5537B405 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 01:11:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lamont@scriptkiddie.org) Received: from warez.scriptkiddie.org (warez.scriptkiddie.org [209.162.142.38]) by warez.scriptkiddie.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D8262D01 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 01:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 01:11:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Lamont Granquist To: Subject: bpf/libpcap and pthreads In-Reply-To: <200107060551.f665pJj17669@fedde.littleton.co.us> Message-ID: <20010706010251.W94746-100000@warez.scriptkiddie.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i've got a program where i'm trying to use libpcap in a posix thread and the thread is failing to get any data back. i've tried writing a sample program which was non-threaded and then simply linking with -pthread and linking that way seems to interfere with bpf/libpcap. i'm running on 4.3-STABLE and tried it on a build which was a few months old, and just tried again with a cvsup from a few hours ago (Jul 5 2001 22:00:00 or so). is there a known incompatibility between bpf/libpcap and pthreads? anyone have any notions of what is going wrong here? (is it possible that bpf is having problems waking up the thread waiting on i/o?) i'm probably going to try putting some debugging output into the kernel, but don't know how far i'll be able to get in tracking this down... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 6 3:12: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ntua.gr (achilles.noc.ntua.gr [147.102.222.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C95C37B403 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 03:12:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from past@netmode.ntua.gr) Received: from netmode.ntua.gr (dolly.netmode.ece.ntua.gr [147.102.13.10]) by ntua.gr (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f66AC1615428; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:12:01 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from past@localhost) by netmode.ntua.gr (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f66AC1x50865; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:12:01 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:12:01 +0300 From: Panagiotis Astithas To: "Arthur W. Neilson III" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Vinum disk mirroring Message-ID: <20010706131201.H49781@netmode.ece.ntua.gr> Reply-To: past@netmode.ntua.gr Mail-Followup-To: Panagiotis Astithas , "Arthur W. Neilson III" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200107050906100800.0496E3F3@smtp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200107050906100800.0496E3F3@smtp>; from art@pilikia.net on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 09:06:10AM -1000 X-Organizational-Unit: Network Management and Optimal Design Laboratory X-Organization: National Technical University of Athens, GREECE X-Work-Phone: +30-1-772-1-450 X-Work-FAX: +30-1-772-1-452 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 09:06:10AM -1000, Arthur W. Neilson III wrote: > We are building a new freebsd 4.3 based server and don't have the > funding for a controller such as the AMI MegaRAID so are looking > at alternatives. How well does Vinum disk mirroring work? Is it > reliable enough to use on a production server? Works fine here. -past To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 6 3:26:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate.abacus.co.uk (mailgate.abacus.co.uk [194.130.48.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8B737B405; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 03:26:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from antony@abacus.co.uk) Received: from abacus.co.uk (pcantony.bl.abacus.co.uk [194.130.48.111]) by mailgate.abacus.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19057; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:25:33 +0100 Message-ID: <3B459395.120DFE27@abacus.co.uk> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 11:31:49 +0100 From: Antony T Curtis Organization: Abacus Polar PLC (UK) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help) References: <20010608134705.19635.qmail@web14701.mail.yahoo.com> <004001c0f030$36a0d3e0$0600020a@frontend> <20010612120958.G10614@tao.org.uk> <20010612192245.4ce69cf3.steveo@eircom.net> <20010613102151.G5486@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3B42F210.C49FCED8@abacus.co.uk> <20010705090711.D371@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > > On Wednesday, 4 July 2001 at 11:38:08 +0100, Antony T Curtis wrote: > > Greg Lehey wrote: > >> > >> On Tuesday, 12 June 2001 at 19:22:45 +0200, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > >>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:09:58 +0100 > >>> Josef Karthauser wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 08:32:23AM -0700, Eric Parusel wrote: > >>>>>>> A journalling FS for those people who just hate waiting for a > >>>>> couple > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>> TB of slow disks to fsck? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Does ReiserFS work with FreeBSD? > >>>>> > >>>>>> From what I've read, XFS is quite good as well.... (Whether or not it > >>>>> could ever work with *BSD, I don't know) > >>>> > >>>> Apparently XFS would run better on FreeBSD than on Linux, from what > >>> > >>> Whatever happened to the open source release of JFS, or is JFS really > >>> bad ? > >> > >> The open source version of JFS was based on OS/2, not AIX. It's not > >> an overly good fit to UNIX. > > > > That was only because AIX's JFS implementation was so closely bound into > > their kernel that there was no easy way to "port" it out of it. Also, > > AFAIK, it was written in a mesh of different languages too, including > > POWER architecture assembly. > > > > The OS/2 version was the first clean implementation to plug into OS/2's > > IFS driver model - and being written in C, it is much more 'portable'. > > (AFAIK, it was supposed to be able to be recompiled for OS/2 for CHRP > > PowerPC) > > Since writing that (quite some time ago, IIRC) I have joined IBM and > am now working with the people who did the JFS port. They > substantially confirm your viewpoint, with the added information that > the "old" JFS, now called JFS 1, is being phased out under AIX, and > the "new" AIX JFS, JFS 2, is based on the same code base as the OS/2 > port. With that background, IBM's approach makes a lot more sense. > It's a pity that this issue wasn't clarified earlier. Is it JFS2 in AIX5L or will there be a backport to AIX4.3? > > All said, I would be interested in a JFS port for FreeBSD .... > > I'm going to be doing a lot of work on JFS in the next few months. I > don't think I'll port it to FreeBSD, but I'll be available for > questions, and I'll have a better understanding. Sounds great... I wonder if they'd accept back in diffs. > >> unix soit qui mal y pense > > You're aware that the original word of this phrase, "hon(n)i", means > "ashamed"? I didn't have a clue... My sig has a different fortune for every email. -- ANTONY T CURTIS Tel: +44 (1635) 36222 Abacus Polar Holdings Ltd Fax: +44 (1635) 38670 > Today is the first day of the rest of the mess To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 6 5:16:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2EE37B401 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 05:16:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from randy by rip.psg.com with local (Exim 3.30 #1) id 15IUXO-0005s7-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 06 Jul 2001 05:16:46 -0700 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: FreeBSD Stable Subject: so where did the space go? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 05:16:46 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG roam.psg.com:/var# sync roam.psg.com:/var# sync roam.psg.com:/var# sync roam.psg.com:/var# df . Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad0s3e 63503 60853 -2430 104% /var roam.psg.com:/var# du -s * 1 account 3 at 10 backups 2 crash 3 cron 2537 db 408 dns 62 games 2 lib 145 log 1 lost+found 15 mail 2 msgs 1 preserve 57 run 1 rwho 189 spool 2 tmp 20 yp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 6 5:19:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F9837B401 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 05:19:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:19:43 +0100 Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9D3A@l04.research.kpn.com> From: "Koster, K.J." To: 'Randy Bush' Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: RE: so where did the space go? Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:19:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Randy, > > roam.psg.com:/var# df . > Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/ad0s3e 63503 60853 -2430 104% /var > > roam.psg.com:/var# du -s * > 1 account *snip* > 20 yp > Not all files show up. Many programs open a temp file an immediately delete it. The deleted file is no longer visible in the filesystem, but is still open in the program and can be used. It counts towards df(1), but not du(1). Kees Jan ================================================ You are only young once, but you can stay immature all your life. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 6 5:28:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0B537B403 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 05:28:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from randy by rip.psg.com with local (Exim 3.30 #1) id 15IUj2-0006Hf-00; Fri, 06 Jul 2001 05:28:48 -0700 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Koster, K.J." Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: RE: so where did the space go? References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9D3A@l04.research.kpn.com> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 05:28:48 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> roam.psg.com:/var# df . >> Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on >> /dev/ad0s3e 63503 60853 -2430 104% /var >> >> roam.psg.com:/var# du -s * >> 1 account > *snip* >> 20 yp >> > Not all files show up. Many programs open a temp file an immediately delete > it. The deleted file is no longer visible in the filesystem, but is still > open in the program and can be used. It counts towards df(1), but not du(1). it was vmware under linux emul. randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 6 5:46:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.mdanderson.org (mail.mdanderson.org [143.111.87.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BAB337B409; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 05:46:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from syjef@hal-pc.org) Received: from jef-nt.hal-pc.org (jef-nt.mdacc.tmc.edu [143.111.69.212]) by mail.mdanderson.org (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA11774; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 07:42:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010706073728.00a63ec0@mail.hal-pc.org> X-Sender: syjef@mail.hal-pc.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 07:46:42 -0500 To: Antony T Curtis , Greg Lehey From: Jonathan Fosburgh Subject: Re: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3B459395.120DFE27@abacus.co.uk> References: <20010608134705.19635.qmail@web14701.mail.yahoo.com> <004001c0f030$36a0d3e0$0600020a@frontend> <20010612120958.G10614@tao.org.uk> <20010612192245.4ce69cf3.steveo@eircom.net> <20010613102151.G5486@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3B42F210.C49FCED8@abacus.co.uk> <20010705090711.D371@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 11:31 AM 7/6/01 +0100, Antony T Curtis wrote: > > Since writing that (quite some time ago, IIRC) I have joined IBM and > > am now working with the people who did the JFS port. They > > substantially confirm your viewpoint, with the added information that > > the "old" JFS, now called JFS 1, is being phased out under AIX, and > > the "new" AIX JFS, JFS 2, is based on the same code base as the OS/2 > > port. With that background, IBM's approach makes a lot more sense. > > It's a pity that this issue wasn't clarified earlier. > >Is it JFS2 in AIX5L or will there be a backport to AIX4.3? > > > > All said, I would be interested in a JFS port for FreeBSD .... > > > > I'm going to be doing a lot of work on JFS in the next few months. I > > don't think I'll port it to FreeBSD, but I'll be available for > > questions, and I'll have a better understanding. > >Sounds great... I wonder if they'd accept back in diffs. > > > >> unix soit qui mal y pense > > > > You're aware that the original word of this phrase, "hon(n)i", means > > "ashamed"? > I sent an email about this when the thread first appeared, but perhaps not everyone saw it. I can confirm what Greg said earlier about JFS2 being derived from OS/2's version of JFS. This information came from Share in Long Beach's UserBlue forum. There was a session about future trends in JFS presented by one of IBM's JFS developers. JFS2 was developed as part of Project Monterey and is actually ported to AIX5L on pSeries. Due to the large number of changes, it is not being backported to 4.3.3. (This next bit may not be entirely correct as I am reconstructing from memory something that I saw in February.) Even in AIX5L, JFS1 is still shipped, because JFS2 works in 64 bit mode only. If a system is installed as 32 bit, then you get JFS1. It may be possible to take the older OS/2 version and port it over to FreeBSD, but I am not sure about the ability to run it on 32 bit intel systems. Perhaps Greg will have more to offer on this. JFS2 does have a lot to offer, including creation of inodes on an as-needed basis, rather than creating all that will ever exist when the filesystem is created. This raises the interesting possibility that one may some day be able to shrink a filesystem, and on the fly to boot. ****************************************************************************** Jonathan Fosburgh | Certified AIX Administrator Software Systems Spec. III | ICQ: 32742908 Communications and Computer Services | MSN: syjef@hotmail.com UT MD Anderson Cancer Center | Jabber: syjef@jabber.org Houston, TX | Yahoo: jefosburgh ****************************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 6 9:18:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7310237B40C for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:18:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f66GIAD61923; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:18:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.0) id f66GI5L15965; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:18:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107061618.f66GI5L15965@vashon.polstra.com> To: stable@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: lamont@scriptkiddie.org Subject: Re: bpf/libpcap and pthreads In-Reply-To: <20010706010251.W94746-100000@warez.scriptkiddie.org> References: <20010706010251.W94746-100000@warez.scriptkiddie.org> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <20010706010251.W94746-100000@warez.scriptkiddie.org>, Lamont Granquist wrote: > > i've got a program where i'm trying to use libpcap in a posix thread and > the thread is failing to get any data back. i've tried writing a sample > program which was non-threaded and then simply linking with -pthread and > linking that way seems to interfere with bpf/libpcap. i'm running on > 4.3-STABLE and tried it on a build which was a few months old, and just > tried again with a cvsup from a few hours ago (Jul 5 2001 22:00:00 or > so). > > is there a known incompatibility between bpf/libpcap and pthreads? anyone > have any notions of what is going wrong here? (is it possible that bpf is > having problems waking up the thread waiting on i/o?) This sounds like a bug I fixed in -current some time ago. I thought I merged the fix into -stable, but maybe not. I'll check later on today. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 6 10:42:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C6B37B403 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:42:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f66Hg9D62542; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:42:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.0) id f66Hg8J16085; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:42:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107061742.f66Hg8J16085@vashon.polstra.com> To: stable@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: jdp@wall.polstra.com Subject: Re: bpf/libpcap and pthreads In-Reply-To: <200107061618.f66GI5L15965@vashon.polstra.com> References: <20010706010251.W94746-100000@warez.scriptkiddie.org> <200107061618.f66GI5L15965@vashon.polstra.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <200107061618.f66GI5L15965@vashon.polstra.com>, John Polstra wrote: > In article <20010706010251.W94746-100000@warez.scriptkiddie.org>, > Lamont Granquist wrote: > > > > i've got a program where i'm trying to use libpcap in a posix thread and > > the thread is failing to get any data back. i've tried writing a sample > > program which was non-threaded and then simply linking with -pthread and > > linking that way seems to interfere with bpf/libpcap. i'm running on > > 4.3-STABLE and tried it on a build which was a few months old, and just > > tried again with a cvsup from a few hours ago (Jul 5 2001 22:00:00 or > > so). > > > > is there a known incompatibility between bpf/libpcap and pthreads? anyone > > have any notions of what is going wrong here? (is it possible that bpf is > > having problems waking up the thread waiting on i/o?) > > This sounds like a bug I fixed in -current some time ago. I thought > I merged the fix into -stable, but maybe not. I'll check later on > today. Yes, I did merge the fix into -stable January 5, 2001. It is in "src/sys/net/bpf.c" revision 1.59.2.5. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 6 11:53:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from svalbard.nominum.com (svalbard.nominum.com [204.152.187.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474DD37B401 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:53:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Peter.Losher@nominum.com) Received: by svalbard.nominum.com (Postfix, from userid 10188) id B48A92A4C1; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by svalbard.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37EA26730; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:53:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Losher To: Bill Moran Cc: Subject: Re: 3.5-STABLE, NFS, and Solaris NFS clients. In-Reply-To: <3B425DC6.5415FC1@iowna.com> Message-ID: <20010706114453.A2614-100000@svalbard.nominum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Bill Moran wrote: > Section "17.4.4 Problems Integrating with other Systems" sounds like > it may be your problem. Try out the fixes suggested there and see > if they help. Tried those, while it helped to some degree on some of the Solaris boxes (we have seven) it still crashes on some of them. What I did is copied a 91MB tar file from a Solaris NFS client (w/ w=1024 in /etc/auto_master) It would copy 2/3's of the way through, then the NFS server would print this on the screen: inode syncing disks... 48 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 giving up Uptime: 7d5h8m1s On another system, it copied over fine, but the NFS client wouldn't give the prompt back until I Ctrl-C'ed it. FWIW, the NFS Server (running 3.5-STABLE) has 4 nfsd proccess running. Would increasing the number of nfsd processes help? Thsnks - Peter -- Peter.Losher@nominum.com - [ Systems Admin. | Nominum, Inc. ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 6 12:15:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from warez.scriptkiddie.org (uswest-dsl-142-38.cortland.com [209.162.142.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAEE37B403 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:15:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lamont@scriptkiddie.org) Received: from warez.scriptkiddie.org (warez.scriptkiddie.org [209.162.142.38]) by warez.scriptkiddie.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E8D62D01; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:15:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Lamont Granquist To: John Polstra Cc: , Subject: Re: bpf/libpcap and pthreads In-Reply-To: <200107061742.f66Hg8J16085@vashon.polstra.com> Message-ID: <20010706121104.U95517-100000@warez.scriptkiddie.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, John Polstra wrote: > Yes, I did merge the fix into -stable January 5, 2001. It is in > "src/sys/net/bpf.c" revision 1.59.2.5. * $FreeBSD: src/sys/net/bpf.c,v 1.59.2.5 2001/01/05 04:49:09 jdp Exp $ is what i'm using. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 6 13:17:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C402437B401 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:17:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17073 for stable@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:17:41 -0700 From: "Chad R. Larson" To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: make world fails in RELENG_4_3 Message-ID: <20010706131741.A17035@freeway.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm getting failures on "make world" or "make installworld" when trying to install openssl. The make does not have a path to the perl "pod2man" at the point ssl is being installed. Fresh CVS checkout with tag RELENG_4_3. +--------------- | ===> secure/usr.bin/telnet | install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 telnet /usr/bin | install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 /usr/src/secure/usr.bin/telnet/../../../crypto/telnet/telnet/telnet.1 /usr/share/man/man1 | ===> secure/usr.bin/openssl | install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 openssl /usr/bin | pod2man /usr/src/secure/usr.bin/openssl/../../../crypto/openssl/apps/../doc/apps//openssl.pod > openssl.1 | pod2man: not found | *** Error code 127 | | Stop in /usr/src/secure/usr.bin/openssl. | *** Error code 1 | | Stop in /usr/src/secure/usr.bin. | *** Error code 1 | | Stop in /usr/src/secure. | *** Error code 1 | | Stop in /usr/src. | *** Error code 1 | | Stop in /usr/src. | *** Error code 1 | | Stop in /usr/src. | *** Error code 1 | | Stop in /usr/src. +--------------- -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 6 13:23:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mikea.ath.cx (okc-65-26-223-53.mmcable.com [65.26.223.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B0B37B401 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:23:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikea@mikea.ath.cx) Received: (from mikea@localhost) by mikea.ath.cx (8.11.4/8.11.1) id f66KNAO21283 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:23:10 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mikea) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:23:10 -0500 From: mikea To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world fails in RELENG_4_3 Message-ID: <20010706152310.A21266@mikea.ath.cx> References: <20010706131741.A17035@freeway.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20010706131741.A17035@freeway.dcfinc.com>; from chad@DCFinc.com on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 01:17:41PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 01:17:41PM -0700, Chad R. Larson wrote: > I'm getting failures on "make world" or "make installworld" when > trying to install openssl. The make does not have a path to > the perl "pod2man" at the point ssl is being installed. > > Fresh CVS checkout with tag RELENG_4_3. > > +--------------- > | ===> secure/usr.bin/telnet > | install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 telnet /usr/bin > | install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 /usr/src/secure/usr.bin/telnet/../../../crypto/telnet/telnet/telnet.1 /usr/share/man/man1 > | ===> secure/usr.bin/openssl > | install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 openssl /usr/bin > | pod2man /usr/src/secure/usr.bin/openssl/../../../crypto/openssl/apps/../doc/apps//openssl.pod > openssl.1 > | pod2man: not found > | *** Error code 127 > | > | Stop in /usr/src/secure/usr.bin/openssl. > | *** Error code 1 > | > | Stop in /usr/src/secure/usr.bin. > | *** Error code 1 > | > | Stop in /usr/src/secure. > | *** Error code 1 I had this happen, too, and overrode it on the make command, pointing to the place where `which pod2man` pointed. Worked fine, and the rest of the make ran perfectly. -- Mike Andrews mikea@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin since 1964 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 6 13:42:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.the-i-pa.com (mail.the-i-pa.com [151.201.71.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4372237B406 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:42:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wmoran@iowna.com) Received: (qmail 96655 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 20:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iowna.com) (151.201.71.193) by mail.the-i-pa.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2001 20:51:25 -0000 Message-ID: <3B4621E8.2D505A04@iowna.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 16:39:04 -0400 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Losher Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3.5-STABLE, NFS, and Solaris NFS clients. References: <20010706114453.A2614-100000@svalbard.nominum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [I'm replying to -stable mainly because, well, I don't have much more in the way of advice ...] Peter Losher wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Bill Moran wrote: > > > Section "17.4.4 Problems Integrating with other Systems" sounds like > > it may be your problem. Try out the fixes suggested there and see > > if they help. > > Tried those, while it helped to some degree on some of the Solaris boxes > (we have seven) it still crashes on some of them. > > What I did is copied a 91MB tar file from a Solaris NFS client (w/ w=1024 > in /etc/auto_master) It would copy 2/3's of the way through, then the NFS > server would print this on the screen: > > inode > syncing disks... 48 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 > giving up > Uptime: 7d5h8m1s > > messages> > > On another system, it copied over fine, but the NFS client wouldn't give > the prompt back until I Ctrl-C'ed it. > > FWIW, the NFS Server (running 3.5-STABLE) has 4 nfsd proccess running. > Would increasing the number of nfsd processes help? Do you have a large number of clients? If the answer is yes, increasing the number of nfsd processes could help. I have a hard time believing that not having enough could panic or freeze up a system, but it's worth a try. -Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 6 13:43:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from warez.scriptkiddie.org (uswest-dsl-142-38.cortland.com [209.162.142.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA0D37B401 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:43:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lamont@scriptkiddie.org) Received: from warez.scriptkiddie.org (warez.scriptkiddie.org [209.162.142.38]) by warez.scriptkiddie.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4C462D02; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:43:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Lamont Granquist To: John Polstra Cc: , Subject: Re: bpf/libpcap and pthreads In-Reply-To: <20010706121104.U95517-100000@warez.scriptkiddie.org> Message-ID: <20010706133246.W95591-100000@warez.scriptkiddie.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG okay, i did some more debugging. it looks like it is correctly capturing all the packets. the difference comes in that when its linked with -pthreads it calls bpfread() and then goes into poll(). it then hangs in poll() for a good long time. it does not hang in bpfpoll(). turns out that i wasn't waiting long enough earlier and that it does eventually timeout and i get what looks like expected output. i'll keep playing with it and see what else i can find... On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Lamont Granquist wrote: > On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, John Polstra wrote: > > Yes, I did merge the fix into -stable January 5, 2001. It is in > > "src/sys/net/bpf.c" revision 1.59.2.5. > > * $FreeBSD: src/sys/net/bpf.c,v 1.59.2.5 2001/01/05 04:49:09 jdp Exp $ > > is what i'm using. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 6 14:32: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from warez.scriptkiddie.org (uswest-dsl-142-38.cortland.com [209.162.142.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CDE37B401 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:31:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lamont@scriptkiddie.org) Received: from warez.scriptkiddie.org (warez.scriptkiddie.org [209.162.142.38]) by warez.scriptkiddie.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6631C62D03; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:31:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Lamont Granquist To: John Polstra Cc: , Subject: Re: bpf/libpcap and pthreads In-Reply-To: <20010706133246.W95591-100000@warez.scriptkiddie.org> Message-ID: <20010706142008.G95641-100000@warez.scriptkiddie.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG sorry for the reply to the reply to the reply... freebsd has a userspace pthreads implementation, correct? so, what it appears to be doing is calling bpfread() with IO_NDELAY and bpfread() is returning EWOULDBLOCK. it then goes into poll() and sleeps waiting for input which doesn't happen until catchpacket() fills up the storage buffers and calls bpf_wakeup(). so, one hack i could do would be to put it into immediate mode, so that for every packet it calls bpf_wakeup(). to fix this and preserve the timeout for buffering in kernel space you'd have to have catchpacket() know that someone has been sleeping on the descriptor for a time that exceeded the read timeout and calls bpf_wakeup() -- except that even if you don't recieve a packet you still need to wake the thread up when it exceeds the read timeout... hmmm... right, i'm over my head... On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Lamont Granquist wrote: > okay, i did some more debugging. it looks like it is correctly capturing > all the packets. the difference comes in that when its linked with > -pthreads it calls bpfread() and then goes into poll(). it then hangs in > poll() for a good long time. it does not hang in bpfpoll(). turns out > that i wasn't waiting long enough earlier and that it does eventually > timeout and i get what looks like expected output. > > i'll keep playing with it and see what else i can find... > > On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Lamont Granquist wrote: > > On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, John Polstra wrote: > > > Yes, I did merge the fix into -stable January 5, 2001. It is in > > > "src/sys/net/bpf.c" revision 1.59.2.5. > > > > * $FreeBSD: src/sys/net/bpf.c,v 1.59.2.5 2001/01/05 04:49:09 jdp Exp $ > > > > is what i'm using. > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 6 17:52: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from forrie.net (forrie.net [216.67.14.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A992837B401 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:52:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from forrie@forrie.com) Received: from boom.forrie.com (forrie.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.132.133]) by forrie.net with id f670psH34736 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 20:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010706204719.021f8540@216.67.14.69> X-Sender: forrie@216.67.14.69 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 20:51:51 -0400 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Forrest Aldrich Subject: Suggestion for newsyslog.c Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Suggested optional feature for newsyslog.c is to enable timestamp (or similar) in the renamed files. For example: maillog.0.gz would become maillog.0.070701.gz The format could perhaps be user-specified somewhere in newsyslog.conf. It groks different time formats, so support for that is already there. This would allow someone to accumilate a large archive of logs (sometimes necessary) without having to manually rename (and move, before rotation). This could negate the current rotation of the log files... or it could be altered as well to be optional in the newsyslog.conf file. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 6 18:28:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sentry.mccalldesign.com (sentry.mccalldesign.com [208.59.239.218]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4811337B401 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:28:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikey@mccalldesign.com) Received: from mccalldesign.com ([198.140.147.31]) by sentry.mccalldesign.com (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f671SY894269 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:28:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikey@mccalldesign.com) Message-ID: <3B46676D.B4FC6051@mccalldesign.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 18:35:42 -0700 From: Michael Tse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------8BA25F5014928D8A66B1845B" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8BA25F5014928D8A66B1845B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit auth 0b8acedf subscribe freebsd-stable mikey@mccalldesign.com --------------8BA25F5014928D8A66B1845B Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="mikey.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Michael Tse Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mikey.vcf" begin:vcard n:Tse;Michael tel;fax:(415)288-8181 tel;work:(415)288-8150 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.mccalldesign.com org:McCall Design Group;MIS version:2.1 email;internet:mikey@mccalldesign.com adr;quoted-printable:;;550 Kearny Street Suite 710=0D=0A;San Francisco;California;94108;USA fn:Michael Tse end:vcard --------------8BA25F5014928D8A66B1845B-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 6 18:31: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from postal.incyte.com (postal.incyte.com [198.31.37.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B33037B405 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:31:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bl@incyte.com) Received: from blah.incyte.com (blah.incyte.com [10.99.1.40]) by postal.incyte.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f671V0h12318; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blah.incyte.com (bl@localhost) by blah.incyte.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA208868; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107070131.SAA208868@blah.incyte.com> X-Authentication-Warning: blah.incyte.com: bl owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Forrest Aldrich Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Suggestion for newsyslog.c In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 06 Jul 2001 20:51:51 EDT." <5.1.0.14.2.20010706204719.021f8540@216.67.14.69> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 18:31:03 -0700 From: "Brett G. Lemoine" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Suggested optional feature for newsyslog.c is to enable timestamp (or > similar) in the renamed files. > > For example: > > maillog.0.gz > > would become > > maillog.0.070701.gz > > The format could perhaps be user-specified somewhere in > newsyslog.conf. It groks different time formats, so support for that is > already there. > > This would allow someone to accumilate a large archive of logs (sometimes > necessary) without having to manually rename (and move, before > rotation). This could negate the current rotation of the log files... or > it could be altered as well to be optional in the newsyslog.conf file. If someone's going to go that far, it'd be nice to be able to rotate old logs into dated directory trees as well. bl -- //====== Brett G. Lemoine -=- ===============================\\ || Info. Systems Architect | || ||Core Unix System Services| Sarcasm is just one more service we offer. || || Incyte Genomics | || || Palo Alto, California | || |+-------------------------+-------------------------------------------------+| \\== PGP Key Fingerprint: 68 A1 2A 2D 82 CE E9 70 5B 80 D1 11 EC F3 FB 85 ==// To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 6 18:54:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.halplant.com (24-168-203-47.wo.cox.rr.com [24.168.203.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCFD337B401 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:54:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from A.J.Caines@halplant.com) Received: by mail.halplant.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7D4B91FBA; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 21:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 21:54:02 -0400 From: Andrew J Caines To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Suggestion for newsyslog.c Message-ID: <20010706215402.E401@hal9000.servehttp.com> Reply-To: Andrew J Caines Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010706204719.021f8540@216.67.14.69> <200107070131.SAA208868@blah.incyte.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200107070131.SAA208868@blah.incyte.com>; from bl@incyte.com on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 06:31:03PM -0700 Organization: H.A.L. Plant X-Powered-by: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE X-PGP-Fingerprint: C59A 2F74 1139 9432 B457 0B61 DDF2 AA61 67C3 18A1 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG For the record, as someone who is paid to use Solaris, whose newsyslog is the equivalent of banging two rocks together, FreeBSD's newsyslog is fantastic. > Suggested optional feature for newsyslog.c is to enable timestamp (or > similar) in the renamed files. Since no single naming scheme is going to satisfy more than a few, how about a configurable expression incorporating date values in strftime(3), as used by date(1), incorporating file paths. For example, using %f for the log filename (conveniently not used by date), a field such as /archive/%b/%d/%f would save /var/log/messages as /archive/Jul/06/messages, whereas just %b/%d/%f would save it as /var/log/Jul/06/messages and %f.%a would save it as messages.Fri. A default of - would behave as it does now. While this sounds ambitious, I would hope that code could be swiped from date(1) and/or other utilities and incorporated without great difficulty. At a pinch, you could just call date. Since I'm no coder, I'll happily test. Oh, while you're at it, how about doing it in perl so I can slap it on my Solaris boxes? -Andrew- -- ______________________________________________________________________ | -Andrew J. Caines- Unix Systems Engineer A.J.Caines@halplant.com | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 6 19: 1:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2921737B40C for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 19:01:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaltorak@quake.com.au) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AB6169.63.5724aadf) with ESMTP id jzybaaaa for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:50:09 +1000 Message-ID: <3B45605B.C81B2E3F@quake.com.au> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 16:53:15 +1000 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juha Saarinen Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disk recovery pointers, please References: <036c01c105ce$7d0f96a0$0a01a8c0@den2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Juha Saarinen wrote: > > Trying to sort out a server that upon rebooting comes up with: > > /dev/da1s1d: CANNOT READ: BLK 16 > /dev/da1s1d: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY > ... > THE FOLLOWING FILE SYSTEMS HAD AN UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY: > > /dev/da1s1d (/data) > > Automatic file system check failed . . . help! > > So, I run fsck manually, and get: > > CANNOT READ BLK 16 > CONTINUE [yn] > > If I answer 'y' to that, I get: > > THE FOLLOWING DISK SECTORS COULD NOT BE READ: > > 16, 17, 18 (all the way to 31). > > /dev/da1s1d: NOT LABELED AS A BSD FILE SYSTEM (unused). > > Couldn't find anything useful in the archives or on the Web apart from > "reformat"... :-( Using dd you can try and extract any data that is still intact off the drive if you know where it is... I had a drive die on me a while ago, the first chunk of sectors were all history, but the rest was fine... I just created a new disk label and was able to mount it and recover most of the data... Ofcause if you have backups just reformat and restore ;) (but I guess you wouldnt be asking this if you had backups right?) If you have the space on another drive I would dump the contents of the disk into a file with dd and then see if you cant get the thing to mount by fixing the disk label... Files that are still recognisable will be put in lost+found dir for you to sort though and see whats recoverable... Good Luck! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 6 19:14:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4BE37B401 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 19:14:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.1]) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 15IhcE-0000y5-00; Sat, 07 Jul 2001 14:14:38 +1200 Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:14:37 +1200 (NZST) From: Juha Saarinen To: Kal Torak Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Disk recovery pointers, please In-Reply-To: <3B45605B.C81B2E3F@quake.com.au> Message-ID: X-S: Always MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Kal Torak wrote: > Good Luck! Thanks Kal. Turned out to be two overlapping partitions... but luckily, neither contained any valuable data. All sorted now. -- Regards, Juha PGP fingerprint: B7E1 CC52 5FCA 9756 B502 10C8 4CD8 B066 12F3 9544 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 0: 3: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09C037B406 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 00:02:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4596D6ACCA; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 13:26:20 +0930 (CST) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 13:26:20 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Jonathan Fosburgh Cc: Antony T Curtis , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help) Message-ID: <20010707132620.E75626@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20010608134705.19635.qmail@web14701.mail.yahoo.com> <004001c0f030$36a0d3e0$0600020a@frontend> <20010612120958.G10614@tao.org.uk> <20010612192245.4ce69cf3.steveo@eircom.net> <20010613102151.G5486@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3B42F210.C49FCED8@abacus.co.uk> <20010705090711.D371@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> <3B459395.120DFE27@abacus.co.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20010706073728.00a63ec0@mail.hal-pc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010706073728.00a63ec0@mail.hal-pc.org>; from syjef@hal-pc.org on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 07:46:42AM -0500 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Friday, 6 July 2001 at 7:46:42 -0500, Jonathan Fosburgh wrote: > At 11:31 AM 7/6/01 +0100, Antony T Curtis wrote: > > > >>> Since writing that (quite some time ago, IIRC) I have joined IBM and >>> am now working with the people who did the JFS port. They >>> substantially confirm your viewpoint, with the added information that >>> the "old" JFS, now called JFS 1, is being phased out under AIX, and >>> the "new" AIX JFS, JFS 2, is based on the same code base as the OS/2 >>> port. With that background, IBM's approach makes a lot more sense. >>> It's a pity that this issue wasn't clarified earlier. >> >> Is it JFS2 in AIX5L or will there be a backport to AIX4.3? >> >>>> All said, I would be interested in a JFS port for FreeBSD .... >>> >>> I'm going to be doing a lot of work on JFS in the next few months. I >>> don't think I'll port it to FreeBSD, but I'll be available for >>> questions, and I'll have a better understanding. >> >> Sounds great... I wonder if they'd accept back in diffs. >> >>>>> unix soit qui mal y pense >>> >>> You're aware that the original word of this phrase, "hon(n)i", means >>> "ashamed"? >> > > I sent an email about this when the thread first appeared, but perhaps not > everyone saw it. I can confirm what Greg said earlier about JFS2 being > derived from OS/2's version of JFS. This information came from Share in > Long Beach's UserBlue forum. There was a session about future trends in > JFS presented by one of IBM's JFS developers. JFS2 was developed as part > of Project Monterey and is actually ported to AIX5L on pSeries. Due to the > large number of changes, it is not being backported to 4.3.3. (This next > bit may not be entirely correct as I am reconstructing from memory > something that I saw in February.) Even in AIX5L, JFS1 is still shipped, > because JFS2 works in 64 bit mode only. If a system is installed as 32 > bit, then you get JFS1. It may be possible to take the older OS/2 version > and port it over to FreeBSD, but I am not sure about the ability to run it > on 32 bit intel systems. Perhaps Greg will have more to offer on > this. I think "will" is the correct statement. I certainly don't at the moment, but I'm sure I'll have more info as I gain experience. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 0: 3: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DD337B405 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 00:02:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E1176ACC4; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 13:24:58 +0930 (CST) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 13:24:58 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Antony T Curtis Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help) Message-ID: <20010707132458.D75626@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20010608134705.19635.qmail@web14701.mail.yahoo.com> <004001c0f030$36a0d3e0$0600020a@frontend> <20010612120958.G10614@tao.org.uk> <20010612192245.4ce69cf3.steveo@eircom.net> <20010613102151.G5486@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3B42F210.C49FCED8@abacus.co.uk> <20010705090711.D371@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> <3B459395.120DFE27@abacus.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B459395.120DFE27@abacus.co.uk>; from antony@abacus.co.uk on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 11:31:49AM +0100 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Friday, 6 July 2001 at 11:31:49 +0100, Antony T Curtis wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, 4 July 2001 at 11:38:08 +0100, Antony T Curtis wrote: >>> Greg Lehey wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, 12 June 2001 at 19:22:45 +0200, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:09:58 +0100 >>>>> Josef Karthauser wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 08:32:23AM -0700, Eric Parusel wrote: >>>>>>>>> A journalling FS for those people who just hate waiting for a >>>>>>> couple >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> TB of slow disks to fsck? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does ReiserFS work with FreeBSD? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From what I've read, XFS is quite good as well.... (Whether or no= t it >>>>>>> could ever work with *BSD, I don't know) >>>>>> >>>>>> Apparently XFS would run better on FreeBSD than on Linux, from what >>>>> >>>>> Whatever happened to the open source release of JFS, or is JFS = really >>>>> bad ? >>>> >>>> The open source version of JFS was based on OS/2, not AIX. It's not >>>> an overly good fit to UNIX. >>> >>> That was only because AIX's JFS implementation was so closely bound into >>> their kernel that there was no easy way to "port" it out of it. Also, >>> AFAIK, it was written in a mesh of different languages too, including >>> POWER architecture assembly. >>> >>> The OS/2 version was the first clean implementation to plug into OS/2's >>> IFS driver model - and being written in C, it is much more 'portable'. >>> (AFAIK, it was supposed to be able to be recompiled for OS/2 for CHRP >>> PowerPC) >> >> Since writing that (quite some time ago, IIRC) I have joined IBM and >> am now working with the people who did the JFS port. They >> substantially confirm your viewpoint, with the added information that >> the "old" JFS, now called JFS 1, is being phased out under AIX, and >> the "new" AIX JFS, JFS 2, is based on the same code base as the OS/2 >> port. With that background, IBM's approach makes a lot more sense. >> It's a pity that this issue wasn't clarified earlier. > > Is it JFS2 in AIX5L Yes, that's the one. > or will there be a backport to AIX4.3? I haven't heard of that. That doesn't mean it won't happen. >>> All said, I would be interested in a JFS port for FreeBSD .... >> >> I'm going to be doing a lot of work on JFS in the next few months. I >> don't think I'll port it to FreeBSD, but I'll be available for >> questions, and I'll have a better understanding. > > Sounds great... I wonder if they'd accept back in diffs. I think so. >>>> =01unix soit qui mal y pense >> >> You're aware that the original word of this phrase, "hon(n)i", means >> "ashamed"? > > I didn't have a clue... My sig has a different fortune for every email. Ah. What's the ^A character for? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 0:47:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sdodson.com (64-208-224-119.nas2.TBR.gblx.net [64.208.224.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7099A37B403 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 00:47:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsi22419@gsaix2.cc.gasou.edu) Received: (from sdodson@localhost) by sdodson.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f677l6V14961 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 03:47:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gsi22419@gsaix2.cc.gasou.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: sdodson.com: sdodson set sender to gsi22419@gsaix2.cc.gasou.edu using -f Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 03:47:05 -0400 From: Scott Dodson To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: breakage in ifconfig Message-ID: <20010707034705.A14943@sdodson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386 X-Distributed: Join the Effort! http://www.distributed.net/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been trying to make a picoBSD diskette with 4.3-stable and keep getting an error in ifconfig. Odd thing is this compiles fine when I buildworld. I tried building ifconfig outside of the picoBSD build procedures and I get the same error : /usr/src/sbin/ifconfig/ifconfig.c:1362: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /usr/src/sbin/ifconfig/ifconfig.c:1362: for each function it appears in.) /usr/src/sbin/ifconfig/ifconfig.c:1364: `IN6_IFF_TEMPORARY' undeclared (first use in this function) *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sbin/ifconfig. Any clues? -- Scott Dodson EDCA2785 5CF0 D9A7 7DA0 9459 45E0 gsi22419@gsaix2.cc.gasou.edu 1790 A5F0 26CB EDCA 2785 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 1:25:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from net2.dinoex.sub.org (net2.dinoex.de [212.184.201.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4451937B405 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 01:25:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dirk.meyer@dinoex.sub.org) Received: from gate.dinoex.sub.org (dinoex@localhost) by net2.dinoex.sub.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) with BSMTP id f678P3f17660 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 10:25:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from dirk.meyer@dinoex.sub.org) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: From: dirk.meyer@dinoex.sub.org (Dirk Meyer) Organization: privat Subject: Re: Suggestion for newsyslog.c Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 10:21:47 +0200 X-Mailer: Dinoex 1.77 References: <200107070131.SAA208868@blah.incyte.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010706204719.021f8540@216.67.14.69> <200107070131.SAA208868@blah.incyte.com> <20010706215402.E401@hal9000.servehttp.com> X-Gateway: ZCONNECT gate.dinoex.sub.org [UNIX/Connect 0.91] X-Accept-Language: de,en X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 16 EC 0A D3 3A 4F 28 8A 8A 47 93 F1 CF 2F 12 X-Noad: Please don't send me ad's by mail. I'm bored by this type of mail. X-Copyright: (C) Copyright 1999 by Dirk Meyer -- All rights reserved. X-Note: sending SPAM is a violation of both german and US law and will at least trigger a complaint at your provider's postmaster. X-PGP-Key-Avail: mailto:pgp-public-keys@keys.de.pgp.net Subject:GET 0x331CDA5D X-No-Archive: yes X-ZC-VIA: 20010707000000S+2@dinoex.sub.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andrew J Caines schrieb:, > While this sounds ambitious, I would hope that code could be swiped from > date(1) and/or other utilities and incorporated without great difficulty. > At a pinch, you could just call date. strftime does all the magic work for us, but I don't know how to tweek it in the configuration file. Wiout top break the syntax with older entrys. > Oh, while you're at it, how about doing it in perl so I can slap it on my > Solaris boxes? I uses a shell/awk mix to do this on some machines :) $ ls /var/log/*.0 | awk '{print "mv " $1 " " substr( $1, 1, index( $1, ".0" ) ) strftime("%Y-%M-%d")}' kind regards Dirk - Dirk Meyer, Im Grund 4, 34317 Habichtswald, Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 3:39:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EEA37B403; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 03:38:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaltorak@quake.com.au) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AB6169.63.5724aadf) with ESMTP id yezbaaaa for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:37:21 +1000 Message-ID: <3B46E75C.D2EFE231@quake.com.au> Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 20:41:32 +1000 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-stable Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: kde2 - broken? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------C8CBB687EF13B2471E1E6F4F" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C8CBB687EF13B2471E1E6F4F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hiyas, When trying to make kde2 from the ports/x11/kde2/ dir I get a whole heap of errors about "qpngio"... I cvsup'd my ports but that didnt fix the error... So is the port broken or is my system? I will include the out put from the make and the errors it produces. Thanks! Kal. --------------C8CBB687EF13B2471E1E6F4F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="kde2error.log" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="kde2error.log" kernel/qpngio.cpp:47: png.h: No such file or directory kernel/qpngio.cpp:61: syntax error before `,' kernel/qpngio.cpp: In function `void iod_read_fn(...)': kernel/qpngio.cpp:63: `png_ptr' undeclared (first use this function) kernel/qpngio.cpp:63: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once kernel/qpngio.cpp:63: for each function it appears in.) kernel/qpngio.cpp:63: implicit declaration of function `int png_get_io_ptr(...)' kernel/qpngio.cpp:66: `length' undeclared (first use this function) kernel/qpngio.cpp:67: `data' undeclared (first use this function) kernel/qpngio.cpp:69: implicit declaration of function `int png_error(...)' kernel/qpngio.cpp: At top level: kernel/qpngio.cpp:78: syntax error before `,' kernel/qpngio.cpp:92: syntax error before `)' kernel/qpngio.cpp:105: syntax error before `,' kernel/qpngio.cpp: In function `void setup_qt(...)': kernel/qpngio.cpp:107: `info_ptr' undeclared (first use this function) kernel/qpngio.cpp:107: `PNG_INFO_gAMA' undeclared (first use this function) kernel/qpngio.cpp:107: implicit declaration of function `int png_get_valid(...)' kernel/qpngio.cpp:109: implicit declaration of function `int png_get_gAMA(...)' kernel/qpngio.cpp:115: implicit declaration of function `int png_set_gamma(...)' kernel/qpngio.cpp:119: syntax error before `;' kernel/qpngio.cpp:123: `width' undeclared (first use this function) kernel/qpngio.cpp:123: `height' undeclared (first use this function) kernel/qpngio.cpp:124: implicit declaration of function `int png_get_IHDR(...)' kernel/qpngio.cpp:126: `PNG_COLOR_TYPE_GRAY' undeclared (first use this function ) kernel/qpngio.cpp:129: implicit declaration of function `int png_set_invert_mono (...)' kernel/qpngio.cpp:130: implicit declaration of function `int png_read_update_inf o(...)' kernel/qpngio.cpp:131: `image' undeclared (first use this function) kernel/qpngio.cpp:136: implicit declaration of function `int png_set_strip_16(.. .)' kernel/qpngio.cpp:138: implicit declaration of function `int png_set_packing(... )' kernel/qpngio.cpp:146: `PNG_INFO_tRNS' undeclared (first use this function) kernel/qpngio.cpp:157: `PNG_COLOR_TYPE_PALETTE' undeclared (first use this funct ion) kernel/qpngio.cpp:157: `PNG_INFO_PLTE' undeclared (first use this function) kernel/qpngio.cpp:197: implicit declaration of function `int png_set_expand(...) ' kernel/qpngio.cpp:199: `PNG_COLOR_TYPE_GRAY_ALPHA' undeclared (first use this fu nction) kernel/qpngio.cpp:200: implicit declaration of function `int png_set_gray_to_rgb (...)' kernel/qpngio.cpp:205: `PNG_COLOR_MASK_ALPHA' undeclared (first use this functio n) kernel/qpngio.cpp:209: `PNG_FILLER_BEFORE' undeclared (first use this function) kernel/qpngio.cpp:209: `PNG_FILLER_AFTER' undeclared (first use this function) kernel/qpngio.cpp:209: implicit declaration of function `int png_set_filler(...) ' kernel/qpngio.cpp:216: implicit declaration of function `int png_set_swap_alpha( ...)' kernel/qpngio.cpp:224: implicit declaration of function `int png_set_bgr(...)' kernel/qpngio.cpp: At top level: kernel/qpngio.cpp:232: `png_structp' was not declared in this scope kernel/qpngio.cpp:232: syntax error before `)' kernel/qpngio.cpp:233: variable or field `qt_png_warning' declared void kernel/qpngio.cpp:233: initializer list being treated as compound expression kernel/qpngio.cpp:233: syntax error before `{' gmake[2]: *** [kernel/qpngio.o] Error 1 gmake[1]: *** [src-mt] Error 2 gmake: *** [src-mt] Error 2 --------------C8CBB687EF13B2471E1E6F4F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="kde2make.log" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="kde2make.log" ===> Extracting for kde-2.1.1 >> No MD5 checksum file. ===> kde-2.1.1 depends on shared library: konq.4 - not found ===> Verifying install for konq.4 in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2 ===> Extracting for kdebase-2.1.1 >> Checksum OK for kdebase-2.1.1.tar.bz2. ===> kdebase-2.1.1 depends on executable: bzip2 - found ===> kdebase-2.1.1 depends on executable: gmake - found ===> kdebase-2.1.1 depends on shared library: intl.1 - found ===> kdebase-2.1.1 depends on shared library: kdecore.4 - not found ===> Verifying install for kdecore.4 in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2 ===> Extracting for kdelibs-2.1.2 >> Checksum OK for kdelibs-2.1.2.tar.bz2. ===> kdelibs-2.1.2 depends on executable: bzip2 - found ===> kdelibs-2.1.2 depends on executable: gmake - found ===> kdelibs-2.1.2 depends on shared library: tiff.4 - found ===> kdelibs-2.1.2 depends on shared library: audiofile.0 - found ===> kdelibs-2.1.2 depends on shared library: mimelib.3 - not found ===> Verifying install for mimelib.3 in /usr/ports/converters/kdesupport2 ===> Extracting for kdesupport-2.1 >> Checksum OK for kdesupport-2.1.tar.bz2. ===> kdesupport-2.1 depends on executable: bzip2 - found ===> kdesupport-2.1 depends on executable: gmake - found ===> kdesupport-2.1 depends on shared library: png.4 - found ===> kdesupport-2.1 depends on shared library: jpeg.9 - found ===> kdesupport-2.1 depends on shared library: qt2.4 - not found ===> Verifying install for qt2.4 in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23 ===> Building for qt-2.3.1 (cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1; /usr/bin/env QTDIR=/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1 LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1/lib PORTOBJFORMAT=elf PREFIX=/usr/X11R6 LOCALBASE=/usr/local X11BASE=/usr/X11R6 MOTIFLIB="-L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXm -lXp" LIBDIR="/usr/lib" CFLAGS="-O -pipe" CXXFLAGS=" -O -pipe" BSD_INSTALL_PROGRAM="install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555" BSD_INSTALL_SCRIPT="install -c -o root -g wheel -m 555" BSD_INSTALL_DATA="install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444" BSD_INSTALL_MAN="install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444" gmake -f Makefile all) cd src/moc; gmake gmake[1]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1/src/moc' gmake[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'. gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1/src/moc' rm -f bin/moc2 cp src/moc/moc2 bin/moc2 gmake -f src-mt.mk gmake[1]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1' cd src; gmake 'QT_THREAD_SUFFIX=-mt' 'QT_LFLAGS_MT=$(SYSCONF_LFLAGS_THREAD) $(SYSCONF_LIBS_THREAD)' 'QT_CXX_MT=$(SYSCONF_CXXFLAGS_THREAD) -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT' 'QT_C_MT=$(SYSCONF_CFLAGS_THREAD) -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT' gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1/src' c++ -pthread -D_THREAD_SAFE -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -c -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1/include -pthread -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/X11R6/include -DQT_PREFIX=\"/usr/X11R6\" -pipe -O -fno-exceptions -O -pipe -I/usr/include -D_PTH_H_ -D_PTH_PTHREAD_H_ -frerun-cse-after-loop -fPIC -DQT_BUILTIN_GIF_READER=1 -DQT_XFT -fno-exceptions -I/usr/local/include -o kernel/qpngio.o kernel/qpngio.cpp gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1/src' gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1' *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/converters/kdesupport2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/converters/kdesupport2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/converters/kdesupport2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/converters/kdesupport2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/converters/kdesupport2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/converters/kdesupport2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/converters/kdesupport2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kde2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kde2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kde2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kde2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kde2. --------------C8CBB687EF13B2471E1E6F4F-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 4:52:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.urx.com (mail.urx.com [63.170.19.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A2A37B403; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 04:52:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kstewart@urx.com) Received: from urx.com [206.159.132.160] by mail.urx.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A8061D50194; Sat, 07 Jul 2001 04:52:38 -0700 Message-ID: <3B46F806.DA6A201@urx.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 04:52:38 -0700 From: Kent Stewart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kal Torak Cc: FreeBSD-stable , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kde2 - broken? References: <3B46E75C.D2EFE231@quake.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kal Torak wrote: > > Hiyas, > > When trying to make kde2 from the ports/x11/kde2/ dir > I get a whole heap of errors about "qpngio"... I cvsup'd > my ports but that didnt fix the error... > > So is the port broken or is my system? I will include the > out put from the make and the errors it produces. When I have had an error like this, it was always a port that had a run dep that was out of date. In my case it was because I built something out of order. I used pib and went down the b-deps and r-deps for KDE-2. You have to start at the bottom and make, pkg_delete, make install until you get to the KDE-2 meta port. I think that was 18 hours of build time on one machine and 3 hours on my fast one. Kent > > Thanks! > Kal. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > kernel/qpngio.cpp:47: png.h: No such file or directory > kernel/qpngio.cpp:61: syntax error before `,' > kernel/qpngio.cpp: In function `void iod_read_fn(...)': > kernel/qpngio.cpp:63: `png_ptr' undeclared (first use this function) > kernel/qpngio.cpp:63: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > kernel/qpngio.cpp:63: for each function it appears in.) > kernel/qpngio.cpp:63: implicit declaration of function `int png_get_io_ptr(...)' > > kernel/qpngio.cpp:66: `length' undeclared (first use this function) > kernel/qpngio.cpp:67: `data' undeclared (first use this function) > kernel/qpngio.cpp:69: implicit declaration of function `int png_error(...)' > kernel/qpngio.cpp: At top level: > kernel/qpngio.cpp:78: syntax error before `,' > kernel/qpngio.cpp:92: syntax error before `)' > kernel/qpngio.cpp:105: syntax error before `,' > kernel/qpngio.cpp: In function `void setup_qt(...)': > kernel/qpngio.cpp:107: `info_ptr' undeclared (first use this function) > kernel/qpngio.cpp:107: `PNG_INFO_gAMA' undeclared (first use this function) > kernel/qpngio.cpp:107: implicit declaration of function `int png_get_valid(...)' > > kernel/qpngio.cpp:109: implicit declaration of function `int png_get_gAMA(...)' > kernel/qpngio.cpp:115: implicit declaration of function `int png_set_gamma(...)' > > kernel/qpngio.cpp:119: syntax error before `;' > kernel/qpngio.cpp:123: `width' undeclared (first use this function) > kernel/qpngio.cpp:123: `height' undeclared (first use this function) > kernel/qpngio.cpp:124: implicit declaration of function `int png_get_IHDR(...)' > kernel/qpngio.cpp:126: `PNG_COLOR_TYPE_GRAY' undeclared (first use this function > ) > kernel/qpngio.cpp:129: implicit declaration of function `int png_set_invert_mono > (...)' > kernel/qpngio.cpp:130: implicit declaration of function `int png_read_update_inf > o(...)' > kernel/qpngio.cpp:131: `image' undeclared (first use this function) > kernel/qpngio.cpp:136: implicit declaration of function `int png_set_strip_16(.. > .)' > kernel/qpngio.cpp:138: implicit declaration of function `int png_set_packing(... > )' > kernel/qpngio.cpp:146: `PNG_INFO_tRNS' undeclared (first use this function) > kernel/qpngio.cpp:157: `PNG_COLOR_TYPE_PALETTE' undeclared (first use this funct > ion) > kernel/qpngio.cpp:157: `PNG_INFO_PLTE' undeclared (first use this function) > kernel/qpngio.cpp:197: implicit declaration of function `int png_set_expand(...) > ' > kernel/qpngio.cpp:199: `PNG_COLOR_TYPE_GRAY_ALPHA' undeclared (first use this fu > nction) > kernel/qpngio.cpp:200: implicit declaration of function `int png_set_gray_to_rgb > (...)' > kernel/qpngio.cpp:205: `PNG_COLOR_MASK_ALPHA' undeclared (first use this functio > n) > kernel/qpngio.cpp:209: `PNG_FILLER_BEFORE' undeclared (first use this function) > kernel/qpngio.cpp:209: `PNG_FILLER_AFTER' undeclared (first use this function) > kernel/qpngio.cpp:209: implicit declaration of function `int png_set_filler(...) > ' > kernel/qpngio.cpp:216: implicit declaration of function `int png_set_swap_alpha( > ...)' > kernel/qpngio.cpp:224: implicit declaration of function `int png_set_bgr(...)' > kernel/qpngio.cpp: At top level: > kernel/qpngio.cpp:232: `png_structp' was not declared in this scope > kernel/qpngio.cpp:232: syntax error before `)' > kernel/qpngio.cpp:233: variable or field `qt_png_warning' declared void > kernel/qpngio.cpp:233: initializer list being treated as compound expression > kernel/qpngio.cpp:233: syntax error before `{' > gmake[2]: *** [kernel/qpngio.o] Error 1 > gmake[1]: *** [src-mt] Error 2 > gmake: *** [src-mt] Error 2 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ===> Extracting for kde-2.1.1 > >> No MD5 checksum file. > ===> kde-2.1.1 depends on shared library: konq.4 - not found > ===> Verifying install for konq.4 in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2 > ===> Extracting for kdebase-2.1.1 > >> Checksum OK for kdebase-2.1.1.tar.bz2. > ===> kdebase-2.1.1 depends on executable: bzip2 - found > ===> kdebase-2.1.1 depends on executable: gmake - found > ===> kdebase-2.1.1 depends on shared library: intl.1 - found > ===> kdebase-2.1.1 depends on shared library: kdecore.4 - not found > ===> Verifying install for kdecore.4 in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2 > ===> Extracting for kdelibs-2.1.2 > >> Checksum OK for kdelibs-2.1.2.tar.bz2. > ===> kdelibs-2.1.2 depends on executable: bzip2 - found > ===> kdelibs-2.1.2 depends on executable: gmake - found > ===> kdelibs-2.1.2 depends on shared library: tiff.4 - found > ===> kdelibs-2.1.2 depends on shared library: audiofile.0 - found > ===> kdelibs-2.1.2 depends on shared library: mimelib.3 - not found > ===> Verifying install for mimelib.3 in /usr/ports/converters/kdesupport2 > ===> Extracting for kdesupport-2.1 > >> Checksum OK for kdesupport-2.1.tar.bz2. > ===> kdesupport-2.1 depends on executable: bzip2 - found > ===> kdesupport-2.1 depends on executable: gmake - found > ===> kdesupport-2.1 depends on shared library: png.4 - found > ===> kdesupport-2.1 depends on shared library: jpeg.9 - found > ===> kdesupport-2.1 depends on shared library: qt2.4 - not found > ===> Verifying install for qt2.4 in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23 > ===> Building for qt-2.3.1 > (cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1; /usr/bin/env QTDIR=/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1 LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1/lib PORTOBJFORMAT=elf PREFIX=/usr/X11R6 LOCALBASE=/usr/local X11BASE=/usr/X11R6 MOTIFLIB="-L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXm -lXp" LIBDIR="/usr/lib" CFLAGS="-O -pipe" CXXFLAGS=" -O -pipe" BSD_INSTALL_PROGRAM="install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555" BSD_INSTALL_SCRIPT="install -c -o root -g wheel -m 555" BSD_INSTALL_DATA="install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444" BSD_INSTALL_MAN="install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444" gmake -f Makefile all) > cd src/moc; gmake > gmake[1]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1/src/moc' > gmake[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'. > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1/src/moc' > rm -f bin/moc2 > cp src/moc/moc2 bin/moc2 > gmake -f src-mt.mk > gmake[1]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1' > cd src; gmake 'QT_THREAD_SUFFIX=-mt' 'QT_LFLAGS_MT=$(SYSCONF_LFLAGS_THREAD) $(SYSCONF_LIBS_THREAD)' 'QT_CXX_MT=$(SYSCONF_CXXFLAGS_THREAD) -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT' 'QT_C_MT=$(SYSCONF_CFLAGS_THREAD) -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT' > gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1/src' > c++ -pthread -D_THREAD_SAFE -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -c -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1/include -pthread -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/X11R6/include -DQT_PREFIX=\"/usr/X11R6\" -pipe -O -fno-exceptions -O -pipe -I/usr/include -D_PTH_H_ -D_PTH_PTHREAD_H_ -frerun-cse-after-loop -fPIC -DQT_BUILTIN_GIF_READER=1 -DQT_XFT -fno-exceptions -I/usr/local/include -o kernel/qpngio.o kernel/qpngio.cpp > gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1/src' > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1' > *** Error code 2 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/converters/kdesupport2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/converters/kdesupport2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/converters/kdesupport2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/converters/kdesupport2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/converters/kdesupport2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/converters/kdesupport2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/converters/kdesupport2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kde2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kde2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kde2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kde2. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kde2. -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html http://daily.daemonnews.org/ SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) @ Home http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 5:44:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from onsult-meyers.com (dialup-49-137.dplanet.ch [212.35.49.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB5937B43D; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 05:44:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 0onsult-meyers.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f67CoMg00747; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:50:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:50:21 +0200 (CEST) From: "A. L. Meyers" To: Greg Lehey Cc: Antony T Curtis , Subject: Re: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help) In-Reply-To: <20010707132458.D75626@wantadilla.lemis.com> Message-ID: <20010707144259.Q550-100000@consult-meyers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Friday, 6 July 2001 at 11:31:49 +0100, Antony T Curtis wrote: > > Greg Lehey wrote: > >> > >> On Wednesday, 4 July 2001 at 11:38:08 +0100, Antony T Curtis wrote: > >>> Greg Lehey wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On Tuesday, 12 June 2001 at 19:22:45 +0200, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > >>>>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:09:58 +0100 > >>>>> Josef Karthauser wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 08:32:23AM -0700, Eric Parusel wrote: > >>>>>>>>> A journalling FS for those people who just hate waiting for a > >>>>>>> couple > >>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>> TB of slow disks to fsck? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Does ReiserFS work with FreeBSD? ? ? ? (big snip) Hey, guys and gals, did you forget this part of the original post? Just installed SuSE Linux 7.2 with Reiser FS throughout on an Intel SMP box. The FS purrs, even on /, which doesn't mean everything is better or worse than FBSD. As far as I know, ReiserFS is GPL. What would porting it to FreeBSD be better or worse than other (newer and less stable) alternatives? Is this a technical issue or are politics involved? Greetings, Lucien To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 5:58: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from onsult-meyers.com (dialup-49-137.dplanet.ch [212.35.49.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B9337B405 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 05:57:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 0onsult-meyers.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f67D57g00863; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 15:05:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 15:05:06 +0200 (CEST) From: "A. L. Meyers" To: Cc: Subject: Re: make world fails in RELENG_4_3 Message-ID: <20010707145937.R764-100000@consult-meyers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello Mike! Had exactly the same problem using RELENG_4 (choking on pod2man) and received a solution from Kent. For us newbies could you please be a bit more verbose and list the exact make command you had to use including arguments? :-) Regards, Lucien To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 7:21:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peace.mahoroba.org (peace.calm.imasy.or.jp [202.227.26.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA0F37B406 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 07:21:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ume@mahoroba.org) Received: from localhost (IDENT:pfccHdJiUCT/82kDEqa+5PShBJKMzqsiic4XAnS/ViJvk3s7DSFuKknLLzawvDps@localhost [::1]) (authenticated as ume with CRAM-MD5) by peace.mahoroba.org (8.11.4/8.11.4/peace) with ESMTP/inet6 id f67EKwt34735; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:20:58 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from ume@mahoroba.org) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 23:20:53 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20010707.232053.45689293.ume@mahoroba.org> To: gsi22419@gsaix2.cc.gasou.edu Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: breakage in ifconfig From: Hajimu UMEMOTO In-Reply-To: <20010707034705.A14943@sdodson.com> References: <20010707034705.A14943@sdodson.com> X-Mailer: xcite1.38> Mew version 1.95b119 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 =?iso-2022-jp?B?KBskQjJWMWMbKEIp?= X-PGP-Public-Key: http://www.imasy.org/~ume/publickey.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 0C 53 FC 5D D0 37 91 05 D0 B3 EF 36 9B 6A BC X-URL: http://www.imasy.org/~ume/ X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, >>>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2001 03:47:05 -0400 >>>>> Scott Dodson said: gsi22419> I've been trying to make a picoBSD diskette with 4.3-stable and keep gsi22419> getting an error in ifconfig. Odd thing is this compiles fine when gsi22419> I buildworld. I tried building ifconfig outside of the picoBSD build gsi22419> procedures and I get the same error : gsi22419> /usr/src/sbin/ifconfig/ifconfig.c:1362: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once gsi22419> /usr/src/sbin/ifconfig/ifconfig.c:1362: for each function it appears in.) gsi22419> /usr/src/sbin/ifconfig/ifconfig.c:1364: `IN6_IFF_TEMPORARY' undeclared (first use in this function) gsi22419> *** Error code 1 gsi22419> Stop in /usr/src/sbin/ifconfig. Did you make sure to do installworld? -- Hajimu UMEMOTO @ Internet Mutual Aid Society Yokohama, Japan ume@mahoroba.org ume@bisd.hitachi.co.jp ume@{,jp.}FreeBSD.org http://www.imasy.org/~ume/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 9:31:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from arcadia.megadeb.org (cpe.atm0-0-0-218131.arcnxx5.customer.tele.dk [62.242.79.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46ACB37B406 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:31:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from munish@runbox.com) Received: (from munish@localhost) by arcadia.megadeb.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f67GXEa48888 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:33:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from munish) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:33:07 +0200 From: Munish Chopra To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: zcat errors when reading certain man pages Message-ID: <20010707183307.B271@arcadia.megadeb.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG When opening the man page "zshall" (among others), after hitting "q" to go back to the prompt, I get the following error: zcat: stdout: Broken pipe This started a while back, but recent cvsups haven't changed anything. The man page for "zsh" for instance does not show this error. I've also checked with at least two other -STABLE users running systems identically dated to mine - they don't experience this. Ideas? -- -Munish To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 9:39: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CEC837B403 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:38:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19610; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:38:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:38:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200107071638.SAA19610@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JFS In-Reply-To: <20010707144259.Q550-100000@consult-meyers.com> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable User-Agent: tin/1.5.4-20000523 ("1959") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.1-RELEASE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A. L. Meyers wrote: > Just installed SuSE Linux 7.2 with Reiser FS throughout on an > Intel SMP box. The FS purrs, even on /, which doesn't mean > everything is better or worse than FBSD. > > As far as I know, ReiserFS is GPL. What would porting it to > FreeBSD be better or worse than other (newer and less stable) > alternatives? Maybe a dumb question, but ... In what way is ReiserFS so much better than UFS + Soft- updates + background fsck, that it would justify the efforts of porting ReiseFS to FreeBSD? Just wondering. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "All that we see or seem is just a dream within a dream" (E. A. Poe) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 9:47:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB2C37B407 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:47:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from duhring@charter.net) Received: from [24.217.157.157] (HELO dave) by dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 13714759; Sat, 07 Jul 2001 12:53:42 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Dave Uhring To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Oliver Fromme Subject: Re: JFS Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 11:47:55 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <200107071638.SAA19610@lurza.secnetix.de> In-Reply-To: <200107071638.SAA19610@lurza.secnetix.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01070711475500.00362@dave> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Saturday 07 July 2001 11:38, Oliver Fromme wrote: > A. L. Meyers wrote: > > Just installed SuSE Linux 7.2 with Reiser FS throughout on an > > Intel SMP box. The FS purrs, even on /, which doesn't mean > > everything is better or worse than FBSD. > > > > As far as I know, ReiserFS is GPL. What would porting it to > > FreeBSD be better or worse than other (newer and less stable) > > alternatives? > > Maybe a dumb question, but ... > > In what way is ReiserFS so much better than UFS + Soft- > updates + background fsck, that it would justify the > efforts of porting ReiseFS to FreeBSD? > > Just wondering. > > Regards > Oliver http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-fs To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 11:51:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tp.databus.com (p101-46.acedsl.com [160.79.101.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C517737B405 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 11:51:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barney@tp.databus.com) Received: (from barney@localhost) by tp.databus.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f67Ip7h21257; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:51:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from barney) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:51:07 -0400 From: Barney Wolff To: Munish Chopra Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: zcat errors when reading certain man pages Message-ID: <20010707145107.A21230@tp.databus.com> References: <20010707183307.B271@arcadia.megadeb.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010707183307.B271@arcadia.megadeb.org>; from chopra@runbox.com on Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 06:33:07PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG See the archives. If this happens when you ssh into the box, you need to update your sshd. But the message is actually harmless. Barney Wolff On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 06:33:07PM +0200, Munish Chopra wrote: > When opening the man page "zshall" (among others), after hitting "q" to > go back to the prompt, I get the following error: > > zcat: stdout: Broken pipe > > This started a while back, but recent cvsups haven't changed anything. > The man page for "zsh" for instance does not show this error. I've also > checked with at least two other -STABLE users running systems > identically dated to mine - they don't experience this. > > Ideas? > > -- > -Munish > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 12:26:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from flake.decibel.org (flake.decibel.org [64.81.115.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0821D37B405 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:26:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@nasby.net) Received: (qmail 85109 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 19:26:34 -0000 Received: from garfield.aus.decibel.org (HELO nasby.net) (sysnasby@10.1.1.51) by flake.aus.decibel.org with SMTP; 7 Jul 2001 19:26:34 -0000 Message-ID: <3B476285.43347BA1@nasby.net> Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 14:27:01 -0500 From: "Jim C. Nasby" Organization: distributed.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Uhring Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Oliver Fromme Subject: Re: JFS References: <200107071638.SAA19610@lurza.secnetix.de> <01070711475500.00362@dave> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG That article does a good job describing RFS and contrasting it to ext2fs, but it leaves several questions left un-answered in relation to ufs. RFS might be faster or more stable than ufs, but there's no way to assume that based on it's superiority to ext2fs, since ufs is also far superior to ext2fs (I'm assuming ufs with softupdates turned on here). The ability to store data within the b-tree seems to be a valuable feature. In fact, using a b-tree instead of other forms of metadata storage is very interesting; it's similar to how most database engines impliment indexes. I'm not so convinced that a journal is the greatest thing in the world, though. I think it makes much more sense to do what softupdates do.... perform updates to the filesystem atomically and in a manner where the metadata is always written first. My $0.02, dB! Dave Uhring wrote: > > On Saturday 07 July 2001 11:38, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > A. L. Meyers wrote: > > > Just installed SuSE Linux 7.2 with Reiser FS throughout on an > > > Intel SMP box. The FS purrs, even on /, which doesn't mean > > > everything is better or worse than FBSD. > > > > > > As far as I know, ReiserFS is GPL. What would porting it to > > > FreeBSD be better or worse than other (newer and less stable) > > > alternatives? > > > > Maybe a dumb question, but ... > > > > In what way is ReiserFS so much better than UFS + Soft- > > updates + background fsck, that it would justify the > > efforts of porting ReiseFS to FreeBSD? > > > > Just wondering. > > > > Regards > > Oliver > > http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-fs > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Jim C. Nasby (aka Decibel!) /^\ jim@nasby.net /___\ Freelance lighting designer and database developer / | \ Member: Triangle Fraternity, Sports Car Club of America /___|___\ Give your computer some brain candy! www.distributed.net Team #1828 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 12:47:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11BEA37B406; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:47:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f67Jkmt93391; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:46:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com Cc: grog@FreeBSD.ORG, antony@abacus.co.uk, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help) In-Reply-To: <20010707144259.Q550-100000@consult-meyers.com> References: <20010707132458.D75626@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20010707144259.Q550-100000@consult-meyers.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010707124648D.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 12:46:48 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 12 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As usual, these threads usually go far afield of their starting points as everyone feels compelled to chime in with their own color choices or some issue entirely tangental to the topic. If you'd like to port ReiserFS to FreeBSD then I'm sure a number of people would be happy to test it. There is noone working on such a port at this time and given that it's a lot of work, I don't forsee anyone working on it in the near future. That leaves it up to you. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 13:35:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx07.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150DE37B401 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 13:35:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from duhring@charter.net) Received: from [24.217.157.157] (HELO dave) by dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 11253799; Sat, 07 Jul 2001 16:42:38 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c1074e$49d31ba0$0300a8c0@uhring.com> From: "Dave Uhring" To: "Jim C. Nasby" Cc: , "Oliver Fromme" References: <200107071638.SAA19610@lurza.secnetix.de> <01070711475500.00362@dave> <3B476285.43347BA1@nasby.net> Subject: Re: JFS Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:35:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim C. Nasby" To: "Dave Uhring" Cc: ; "Oliver Fromme" Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 2:27 PM Subject: Re: JFS > That article does a good job describing RFS and contrasting it to > ext2fs, but it leaves several questions left un-answered in relation to > ufs. > > RFS might be faster or more stable than ufs, but there's no way to > assume that based on it's superiority to ext2fs, since ufs is also far > superior to ext2fs (I'm assuming ufs with softupdates turned on here). > > The ability to store data within the b-tree seems to be a valuable > feature. In fact, using a b-tree instead of other forms of metadata > storage is very interesting; it's similar to how most database engines > impliment indexes. > > I'm not so convinced that a journal is the greatest thing in the world, > though. I think it makes much more sense to do what softupdates do.... > perform updates to the filesystem atomically and in a manner where the > metadata is always written first. > > My $0.02, > dB! > > Dave Uhring wrote: > > > > On Saturday 07 July 2001 11:38, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > > A. L. Meyers wrote: > > > > Just installed SuSE Linux 7.2 with Reiser FS throughout on an > > > > Intel SMP box. The FS purrs, even on /, which doesn't mean > > > > everything is better or worse than FBSD. > > > > > > > > As far as I know, ReiserFS is GPL. What would porting it to > > > > FreeBSD be better or worse than other (newer and less stable) > > > > alternatives? > > > > > > Maybe a dumb question, but ... > > > > > > In what way is ReiserFS so much better than UFS + Soft- > > > updates + background fsck, that it would justify the > > > efforts of porting ReiseFS to FreeBSD? > > > > > > Just wondering. > > > > > > Regards > > > Oliver > > You seem to have missed the critical point of that paper. When the system goes completely haywire and either crashes or locks up so hard that a manual reset is required, UFS/softupdates requires a substantial amount of time to run fsck. If you have a very large filesystem, you then have to w....a....i....t until fsck completes. And if you are lucky, it will not terminate with the suggestion that you run fsck by hand. With a true journalling filesystem this wait is obviated. The last transactions are rerun or truncated and the system boots up. I use "logging" on Solaris and XFS on Linux and have tried reiserfs on Linux. All are superior to UFS/softupdates when the going gets tough. Disk access times may or may not be comparable with UFS/softupdates, but the integrity of my filesystems is more important than raw speed. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 13:39:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from isotope.rootprompt.net (mail.rootprompt.net [208.53.161.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BDA37B405 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 13:39:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert@rootprompt.net) From: "Robert Banniza" To: Subject: Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 15:41:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000d01c1074e$49d31ba0$0300a8c0@uhring.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok guys, I'm running 4.3-STABLE and I have Postfix working with Maildir as well as with Courier-IMAP. However, I installed Pine from FreeBSD ports and it isn't seeing my Maildir. I installed Pine by doing the following: 1) make WITH_MAILDIR=yes 2) make install Therefore, it should have added the maildir patch, correct? Is there something else that I need to do to get Pine to see Maildir? Thanks for any help...This is Pine 4.33L2. Sorry if this is the wrong list to post to. I emailed the maintainer of Pine and haven't gotten a response in some time. Thanks, Robert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 13:43:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from isotope.rootprompt.net (mail.rootprompt.net [208.53.161.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225D337B405 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 13:43:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert@rootprompt.net) From: "Robert Banniza" To: Subject: RE: JFS Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 15:45:45 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000d01c1074e$49d31ba0$0300a8c0@uhring.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have to agree with Dave on this. Working with large Sybase and Oracle installations, I see the advantages of transaction logging every day. While it is somewhat different than FS logging, I have wanted to see this on FreeBSD for some time. One of the reasons I keep Linux around rather than going with all FreeBSD is b/c of Reiser and friends. If logging had a downside in the industry, IBM, HP, SGI and SUN wouldn't be using it in their filesystems. Robert -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Dave Uhring Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 8:36 PM To: Jim C. Nasby Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Oliver Fromme Subject: Re: JFS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim C. Nasby" To: "Dave Uhring" Cc: ; "Oliver Fromme" Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 2:27 PM Subject: Re: JFS > That article does a good job describing RFS and contrasting it to > ext2fs, but it leaves several questions left un-answered in relation to > ufs. > > RFS might be faster or more stable than ufs, but there's no way to > assume that based on it's superiority to ext2fs, since ufs is also far > superior to ext2fs (I'm assuming ufs with softupdates turned on here). > > The ability to store data within the b-tree seems to be a valuable > feature. In fact, using a b-tree instead of other forms of metadata > storage is very interesting; it's similar to how most database engines > impliment indexes. > > I'm not so convinced that a journal is the greatest thing in the world, > though. I think it makes much more sense to do what softupdates do.... > perform updates to the filesystem atomically and in a manner where the > metadata is always written first. > > My $0.02, > dB! > > Dave Uhring wrote: > > > > On Saturday 07 July 2001 11:38, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > > A. L. Meyers wrote: > > > > Just installed SuSE Linux 7.2 with Reiser FS throughout on an > > > > Intel SMP box. The FS purrs, even on /, which doesn't mean > > > > everything is better or worse than FBSD. > > > > > > > > As far as I know, ReiserFS is GPL. What would porting it to > > > > FreeBSD be better or worse than other (newer and less stable) > > > > alternatives? > > > > > > Maybe a dumb question, but ... > > > > > > In what way is ReiserFS so much better than UFS + Soft- > > > updates + background fsck, that it would justify the > > > efforts of porting ReiseFS to FreeBSD? > > > > > > Just wondering. > > > > > > Regards > > > Oliver > > You seem to have missed the critical point of that paper. When the system goes completely haywire and either crashes or locks up so hard that a manual reset is required, UFS/softupdates requires a substantial amount of time to run fsck. If you have a very large filesystem, you then have to w....a....i....t until fsck completes. And if you are lucky, it will not terminate with the suggestion that you run fsck by hand. With a true journalling filesystem this wait is obviated. The last transactions are rerun or truncated and the system boots up. I use "logging" on Solaris and XFS on Linux and have tried reiserfs on Linux. All are superior to UFS/softupdates when the going gets tough. Disk access times may or may not be comparable with UFS/softupdates, but the integrity of my filesystems is more important than raw speed. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 13:44:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from onsult-meyers.com (dialup-63-122.dplanet.ch [212.35.63.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13CE37B403; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 13:44:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 0onsult-meyers.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f67Kq2v00519; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:52:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:52:01 +0200 (CEST) From: "A. L. Meyers" To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: , , Subject: Re: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help) In-Reply-To: <20010707124648D.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: <20010707224834.R514-100000@consult-meyers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > As usual, these threads usually go far afield of their starting points > as everyone feels compelled to chime in with their own color choices > or some issue entirely tangental to the topic. (snip) Jordan, it wasn't me. The original post starting the thread mentioned both FSes, JFS and Reiser. I was just trying to find out why the thread got focussed entirely on JFS. Greetings, Lucien To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 13:55:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from onsult-meyers.com (dialup-56-245.dplanet.ch [212.35.56.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB1737B403 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 13:55:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 0onsult-meyers.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f67L3Bv00634; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:03:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:03:09 +0200 (CEST) From: "A. L. Meyers" To: Robert Banniza Cc: Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010707225925.K626-100000@consult-meyers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Robert Banniza wrote: > Ok guys, > I'm running 4.3-STABLE and I have Postfix working with Maildir as well as > with Courier-IMAP. However, I installed Pine from FreeBSD ports and it isn't > seeing my Maildir. I installed Pine by doing the following: > > 1) make WITH_MAILDIR=yes > 2) make install > > Therefore, it should have added the maildir patch, correct? Is there > something else that I need to do to get Pine to see Maildir? Thanks for any > help...This is Pine 4.33L2. Sorry if this is the wrong list to post to. I > emailed the maintainer of Pine and haven't gotten a response in some time. > > Thanks, > Robert Robert, If I'm not mistaken, you can define the Maildir in the pine setup, i. e. "S", then "C" from the mail pine menu. Or you can edit ~/.pinerc or the general config file directly. It's well documented. For good pine support try the newsgroup "comp.mail.pine". There are competent people answering queries there, e. g. Mr. Eduardo Chappas. Lucien To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 14: 4:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8F437B403 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:04:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23070; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:04:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:04:09 -0700 From: "Chad R. Larson" To: "A. L. Meyers" Cc: mikea@mikea.ath.cx, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world fails in RELENG_4_3 Message-ID: <20010707140409.A22956@freeway.dcfinc.com> References: <20010707145937.R764-100000@consult-meyers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010707145937.R764-100000@consult-meyers.com>; from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com on Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 03:05:06PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 03:05:06PM +0200, A. L. Meyers wrote: > Had exactly the same problem using RELENG_4 (choking on pod2man) > and received a solution from Kent. My solution was to cd to the perl source directory, do a "make install" and then restart the install world. It seems to be an ordering problem in install, with an inadvertent circular dependency (or something like that). I ran into it when I started doing a "newfs" on my object directory (much faster than letting the build do a clean first), so it must not be bothering most folks. Perhaps they're using the prior pod2man left over? Anyway, I posted the original not particularly because I needed help getting through the build, but because I thought someone with commit privileges would want to try to fix it. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 14: 6:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from onsult-meyers.com (dialup-59-25.dplanet.ch [212.35.59.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F1937B403 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:06:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 0onsult-meyers.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f67LEJv00650; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:14:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:14:17 +0200 (CEST) From: "A. L. Meyers" To: Robert Banniza Cc: Subject: RE: JFS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010707230738.H626-100000@consult-meyers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi again! I'd like to see continuing cooperation amoung the various more or less open source Unixes and their clones. If anyone is capable and competent to port ReiserFS to FreeBSD, it would be Hans Reiser himself and his friends. Which is not at all stating or implying that UFS is not a very good FS. But what Robert says is simply a statement of fact. Experiencing one-on how quickly a JFS (e. g. Reiser) recovers is really impressive. Good night. Lucien To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 14: 8:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.the-i-pa.com (mail.the-i-pa.com [151.201.71.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5CEC737B405 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:08:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wmoran@iowna.com) Received: (qmail 3217 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 21:17:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iowna.com) (151.201.71.193) by mail.the-i-pa.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2001 21:17:17 -0000 Message-ID: <3B477970.2CD1B73B@iowna.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 17:04:48 -0400 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JFS References: <200107071638.SAA19610@lurza.secnetix.de> <01070711475500.00362@dave> <3B476285.43347BA1@nasby.net> <000d01c1074e$49d31ba0$0300a8c0@uhring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dave Uhring wrote: > You seem to have missed the critical point of that paper. When the > system goes completely haywire and either crashes or locks up so hard > that a manual reset is required, UFS/softupdates requires a substantial > amount of time to run fsck. If you have a very large filesystem, you > then have to w....a....i....t until fsck completes. And if you are > lucky, it will not terminate with the suggestion that you run fsck by > hand. With a true journalling filesystem this wait is obviated. The > last transactions are rerun or truncated and the system boots up. Actually ... according to the article, the system boots up and _then_ determines what needs done to repair the filesystem. Also, the lack of a need for fscking is not the only benefit of RieserFS. In fact, it's a _minor_ improvement. If your system is going down so often that the speed of a fsck is a major factor in the layout of the system, you've got other issues you need to address first! The other issues that might make Reiserfs a good idea (and a possible improvement over UFS) are the various improvements such as small file storage and large directory storage. I know that I'm interested in seeing performance comparisons with regard to these factors, and so far, I've seen none that compare ReiserFS to UFS/softupdates. My $.02 -Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 14:15:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from onsult-meyers.com (dialup-59-208.dplanet.ch [212.35.59.208]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74ED37B403 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:15:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 0onsult-meyers.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f67LMlv00675; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:22:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:22:46 +0200 (CEST) From: "A. L. Meyers" To: "Chad R. Larson" Cc: , Subject: Re: make world fails in RELENG_4_3 In-Reply-To: <20010707140409.A22956@freeway.dcfinc.com> Message-ID: <20010707231847.N626-100000@consult-meyers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Chad R. Larson wrote: > On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 03:05:06PM +0200, A. L. Meyers wrote: > > Had exactly the same problem using RELENG_4 (choking on pod2man) > > and received a solution from Kent. > > My solution was to cd to the perl source directory, do a "make > install" and then restart the install world. (snip) Kent's solution was to dig down in perl source directory all the way to pod2man and make it. Then restart installworld. It worked. > > Anyway, I posted the original not particularly because I needed help > getting through the build, but because I thought someone with commit > privileges would want to try to fix it. Well, let's hope a friendly committer is reading these postings and fixes the problem :-) . Lucien To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 14:30:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f84.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9857B37B405 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:30:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from modaya72@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:30:31 -0700 Received: from 210.84.129.88 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Jul 2001 21:30:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [210.84.129.88] From: "Kashyap Kumar" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: make buildworld compile errors Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 21:30:31 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2001 21:30:31.0566 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CAC52E0:01C1072C] Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Everytime I try to do a make buildworld it comes up with this error. c++ -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/g++ -O -pipe -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/lib -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/bool-array.cc c++ -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/g++ -O -pipe -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/lib -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/gen-perf.cc /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/gen-perf.cc: In method `void Gen_Perf::change(List_Node *, List_Node *)': /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/gen-perf.cc:268: Internal compiler error. /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/gen-perf.cc:268: Please submit a full bug report. /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/gen-perf.cc:268: See for instructions. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. Any help much appriciated. Iax _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 14:40:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BA737B407 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:40:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.1]) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 15Iznw-000318-00; Sun, 08 Jul 2001 09:39:56 +1200 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:39:56 +1200 (NZST) From: Juha Saarinen To: Dave Uhring Cc: "Jim C. Nasby" , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" , Oliver Fromme Subject: Re: JFS In-Reply-To: <000d01c1074e$49d31ba0$0300a8c0@uhring.com> Message-ID: X-S: Always MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Dave Uhring wrote: > I use "logging" on Solaris and XFS on Linux and have tried reiserfs on > Linux. All are superior to UFS/softupdates when the going gets tough. > Disk access times may or may not be comparable with UFS/softupdates, but > the integrity of my filesystems is more important than raw speed. Hmmm... that's one reason I've not implemented ReiserFS on my Linux box. Read too many horror stories about how it eats your file system, and how it doesn't work with NFS etc. -- Regards, Juha PGP fingerprint: B7E1 CC52 5FCA 9756 B502 10C8 4CD8 B066 12F3 9544 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 14:42:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8A737B401 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:42:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.1]) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 15IzqT-00031G-00; Sun, 08 Jul 2001 09:42:33 +1200 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:42:33 +1200 (NZST) From: Juha Saarinen To: Robert Banniza Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-S: Always MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Robert Banniza wrote: > I'm running 4.3-STABLE and I have Postfix working with Maildir as well as > with Courier-IMAP. However, I installed Pine from FreeBSD ports and it isn't > seeing my Maildir. I installed Pine by doing the following: Have you tried: inbox-path={your.host.name/user="robert"}INBOX in .pinerc? -- Regards, Juha PGP fingerprint: B7E1 CC52 5FCA 9756 B502 10C8 4CD8 B066 12F3 9544 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 14:45:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F50C37B401 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:45:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23217 for stable@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:45:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:45:46 -0700 From: "Chad R. Larson" To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: make installworld confusion Message-ID: <20010707144546.A23172@freeway.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I installed "X User" from the 4.3-RELEASE CD set. I then did a "cvs checkout -t RELENG_4_3 /usr/src" followed by a "make world" in order to get to "very -STABLE" and populate my source tree. As mentioned earlier, the install of the newly built world fails when the OpenSSL code trys to run pod2man on its documentation. Further, I had set the NOMANCOMPRESS flag in /etc/defaults/make.conf. When the install had finally finished, "man(1)" displays two man pages. The compressed one installed from the CD, and the uncompressed one just built. Perhaps somewhere in a world build or install old manpages should be cleaned? Or, we should document in the make.conf that if you change the NOMANCOMPRESS flag you should manually clean the compressed ones. Or something like that. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 14:59:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FF637B407 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:59:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23267; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:59:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:59:45 -0700 From: "Chad R. Larson" To: "A. L. Meyers" Cc: Robert Banniza , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JFS Message-ID: <20010707145945.A23220@freeway.dcfinc.com> References: <20010707230738.H626-100000@consult-meyers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010707230738.H626-100000@consult-meyers.com>; from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com on Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 11:14:17PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 11:14:17PM +0200, A. L. Meyers wrote: > Which is not at all stating or implying that UFS is not a very > good FS. But what Robert says is simply a statement of fact. > Experiencing one-on how quickly a JFS (e. g. Reiser) recovers > is really impressive. Well, my $0.02US... I've got something like 10 years experience in commercial environments with the Veritas file system (and that of it's predecessor company Tolerant Systems). I agree that fast recovery is spiffy, and on an OLTP system where every second of down time is =real= money lost it's worth the cost. And VXFS has some other neat tricks, such as snapshots and block-level incremental backups and the ability to grow and shrink a running file system. And, some special tricks for the case you're running a database in cooked space. And... (you get the idea). But the journal itself is no magic bullet. It costs performance on anything that changes meta data. It can hurt you if you tune it incorrectly. I think the way Kirk is headed with soft updates, plus background fsck is just as good, perhaps better. So, summary: If you need the bells and whistles that more complex filesystems provide, then by all means use them. But if you're just trying to avoid the fsck wait time at boot-up, I don't think it's worth the complexity and administration time to go with something newer and less bullet-proof than what we're using now. [[Of course, we =are= still waiting for a good release of the background fsck...]] -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 15: 9:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D900337B405 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 15:09:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from duhring@charter.net) Received: from [24.217.157.157] (HELO dave) by dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 13747215; Sat, 07 Jul 2001 18:14:59 -0400 Message-ID: <002901c1075b$5c524b40$0300a8c0@uhring.com> From: "Dave Uhring" To: "Bill Moran" Cc: References: <200107071638.SAA19610@lurza.secnetix.de> <01070711475500.00362@dave> <3B476285.43347BA1@nasby.net> <000d01c1074e$49d31ba0$0300a8c0@uhring.com> <3B477970.2CD1B73B@iowna.com> Subject: Re: JFS Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:09:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Moran" Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 4:04 PM Subject: Re: JFS > Dave Uhring wrote: > > You seem to have missed the critical point of that paper. When the > > system goes completely haywire and either crashes or locks up so hard > > that a manual reset is required, UFS/softupdates requires a substantial > > amount of time to run fsck. If you have a very large filesystem, you > > then have to w....a....i....t until fsck completes. And if you are > > lucky, it will not terminate with the suggestion that you run fsck by > > hand. With a true journalling filesystem this wait is obviated. The > > last transactions are rerun or truncated and the system boots up. > > Actually ... according to the article, the system boots up and _then_ > determines what needs done to repair the filesystem. > > Also, the lack of a need for fscking is not the only benefit of > RieserFS. In fact, it's a _minor_ improvement. If your system is > going down so often that the speed of a fsck is a major factor in the > layout of the system, you've got other issues you need to address > first! > The other issues that might make Reiserfs a good idea (and a possible > improvement over UFS) are the various improvements such as small > file storage and large directory storage. I know that I'm interested > in seeing performance comparisons with regard to these factors, and > so far, I've seen none that compare ReiserFS to UFS/softupdates. > > My $.02 > > -Bill > As I indicated, my experience with ReiserFS is limited. I have been using SGI's XFS for Linux for a short time and am quite pleased with its performance and filesystem integrity. If you have a spare system available, it's easy enough to try it out. http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/1.0_installer.html Also requires the 2 install CDs for RedHat-7.1. SGI's ftp site has a patch available to bring up XFS on Linux-2.4.5 kernel, also. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 15:44:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4B437B401 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 15:44:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsikora@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.2.168.159]) by femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010707224429.WHLA17777.femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 15:44:29 -0700 Message-ID: <3B479008.19BFE7F2@home.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 18:41:12 -0400 From: Ted Sikora Reply-To: tsikora@powerusersbbs.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.5 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-US, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: JFS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Juha Saarinen wrote: > > On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Dave Uhring wrote: > > > I use "logging" on Solaris and XFS on Linux and have tried reiserfs on > > Linux. All are superior to UFS/softupdates when the going gets tough. > > Disk access times may or may not be comparable with UFS/softupdates, but > > the integrity of my filesystems is more important than raw speed. > > Hmmm... that's one reason I've not implemented ReiserFS on my Linux box. > Read too many horror stories about how it eats your file system, and how > it doesn't work with NFS etc. Absolutely false. Works perfectly... I have had it on several machines for about a year with absolutely no problems .. nada. On the other hand UFS/softupdates is pretty reliable itself albiet a little pokier. I haven't seen fsck in action for so long I almost forgot it existed. Reiserfs would be nice on FreeBSD though. IBM's JFS might be even better. -- Ted Sikora admin@unixos2.org http://www.unixos2.org http://www.powerusersbbs.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 15:46:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from empty1.ekahuna.com (empty1.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E556137B403 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 15:46:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pjklist@ekahuna.com) Received: from pc-02 (pc02.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.197]) by empty1.ekahuna.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 15:46:11 -0700 From: "Philip J. Koenig" Organization: The Electric Kahuna Organization To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 15:46:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help) Reply-To: pjklist@ekahuna.com Message-ID: <3B472EC2.13563.2FA03E@localhost> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:50:21 +0200 (CEST) > From: "A. L. Meyers" > As far as I know, ReiserFS is GPL. What would porting it to > FreeBSD be better or worse than other (newer and less stable) > alternatives? > > Is this a technical issue or are politics involved? AFAIK ReiserFS is a work in progress. There are some other established journaling FS's out there which might be candidates, ie the IBM one and one from SGI. -- Philip J. Koenig pjklist@ekahuna.com Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 15:50:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ece.cmu.edu (ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.236.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B65C37B403 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 15:50:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from allbery@ece.cmu.edu) Received: from vpn39.ece.cmu.edu (ANNEX-1.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.1]) (authenticated) by ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f67MoPg12829; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 18:50:11 -0400 From: "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" To: tsikora@powerusersbbs.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JFS Message-ID: <101770000.994546208@vpn39.ece.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <3B479008.19BFE7F2@home.com> References: <3B479008.19BFE7F2@home.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.0a6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Saturday, July 07, 2001 18:41:12 -0400, Ted Sikora wrote: +----- | Juha Saarinen wrote: | > | > On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Dave Uhring wrote: | > | > > I use "logging" on Solaris and XFS on Linux and have tried reiserfs on | > > Linux. All are superior to UFS/softupdates when the going gets tough. | > > Disk access times may or may not be comparable with UFS/softupdates, | > > but the integrity of my filesystems is more important than raw speed. | > | > Hmmm... that's one reason I've not implemented ReiserFS on my Linux box. | > Read too many horror stories about how it eats your file system, and how | > it doesn't work with NFS etc. | | Absolutely false. Works perfectly... I have had it on several machines +--->8 I think it depends on which ReiserFS you're using: the development snapshots that show up in various kernels from Linus or as patches to same, or the polished release-quality ones that show up in some Linux distributions. I've been using reiserfs as provided by SuSE for over a year without problems; but I've heard plenty of horror stories about various bleeding-edge patches. -- brandon s. allbery [os/2][linux][solaris][japh] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [WAY too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 16: 2: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E016337B401 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 16:02:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (helo=den2) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 15J15H-00034M-00; Sun, 08 Jul 2001 11:01:55 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "'Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH'" , , Subject: RE: JFS Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 11:02:02 +1200 Message-ID: <056601c10738$d5d20b40$0a01a8c0@den2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <101770000.994546208@vpn39.ece.cmu.edu> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: | Absolutely false. Works perfectly... I have had it on :: several machines Sorry, I should have been more explicit: Linux 2.4, ReiserFS and NFS has (have?) issues. Search Google, and see for yourself. 2.2.x appears to work fine, but I have no direct experience of that combo. Now, going back to FreeBSD, one of the things that I was looking at ReiserFS for was to use it as the file system for a Squid cache volume. Apparently, ReiserFS is quick with lots of small files. Are there any "tweaks" for UFS worth trying in a similar scenairo, ie. on a largish (1GB+) Squid volume? -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 16: 6:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1AE937B403 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 16:06:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #7) id 15J19i-0003sH-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:06:30 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f67N6UK26456 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:06:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:06:29 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: init hangs leaving single user mode Message-ID: <20010708000629.A26358@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I built and installed world and kernel on tuesday (4 days ago). I am running -stable on a 4010cdt toshiba satellite. I have 2 PCCards: the Noteworthy 56k modem that comes with the machine, and a Kingston ethernet card. I do this: shutdown now and then exit My modem is on sio1 and my ethernet on ed0. As multi-user mode is starting, whichever card is in the system is bumped to the next higher device number, according to the kernel (bold print) message (sio1->sio2, ed0->ed1). In either case, the machine hangs after printing this line. These messages do not appear in any log because the machine locks while writing them. If I removed the cards, start multi-user mode, then re-insert them, everything works fine. I will happily provide any other info requested. Jonathon -- Microsoft complaining about the source license used by Linux is like the event horizon calling the kettle black. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 16:32:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA0D37B405 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 16:32:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EE536ACBC; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:02:43 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:02:43 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: "A. L. Meyers" Cc: Antony T Curtis , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ReiserFS (was: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help)) Message-ID: <20010708090243.U75626@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20010707132458.D75626@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20010707144259.Q550-100000@consult-meyers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010707144259.Q550-100000@consult-meyers.com>; from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com on Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 02:50:21PM +0200 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Saturday, 7 July 2001 at 14:50:21 +0200, A. L. Meyers wrote: > On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> On Friday, 6 July 2001 at 11:31:49 +0100, Antony T Curtis wrote: >>> Greg Lehey wrote: >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, 4 July 2001 at 11:38:08 +0100, Antony T Curtis wrote: >>>>> Greg Lehey wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, 12 June 2001 at 19:22:45 +0200, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:09:58 +0100 >>>>>>> Josef Karthauser wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 08:32:23AM -0700, Eric Parusel wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> A journalling FS for those people who just hate waiting for a >>>>>>>>> couple >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> TB of slow disks to fsck? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Does ReiserFS work with FreeBSD? ? ? ? > > (big snip) > > Hey, guys and gals, did you forget this part of the original > post? No, they didn't notice it, because the Subject: line was pointing elsewhere. Piggybacking new questions onto old topics doesn't work well unless you change the Subject: line. > Just installed SuSE Linux 7.2 with Reiser FS throughout on an Intel > SMP box. The FS purrs, even on /, which doesn't mean everything is > better or worse than FBSD. I don't know enough about ReiserFS to be able to give a useful opinion. The Linux people I know are by no means in agreement about its merits, but I've heard that it's best as a "special purpose" FS for small files. I don't know how valid that statement is. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 16:57:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from net.tamu.edu (net.tamu.edu [128.194.177.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F1237B401 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 16:57:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daved@net.tamu.edu) Received: by net.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 157) id 8111615891; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:57:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:57:53 -0500 From: Dave Duchscher To: Dave Uhring Cc: "Jim C. Nasby" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Oliver Fromme Subject: Re: JFS Message-ID: <20010707185753.B27481@net.tamu.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Dave Uhring , "Jim C. Nasby" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Oliver Fromme References: <200107071638.SAA19610@lurza.secnetix.de> <01070711475500.00362@dave> <3B476285.43347BA1@nasby.net> <000d01c1074e$49d31ba0$0300a8c0@uhring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000d01c1074e$49d31ba0$0300a8c0@uhring.com>; from duhring@charter.net on Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 08:35:35PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 08:35:35PM -0500, Dave Uhring wrote: > > You seem to have missed the critical point of that paper. When the > system goes completely haywire and either crashes or locks up so hard > that a manual reset is required, UFS/softupdates requires a substantial > amount of time to run fsck. If you have a very large filesystem, you > then have to w....a....i....t until fsck completes. And if you are > lucky, it will not terminate with the suggestion that you run fsck by > hand. With a true journalling filesystem this wait is obviated. The > last transactions are rerun or truncated and the system boots up. Just to bring up a point, Softupdates will also avoid the long fsck at boot. If I understand the papers I have read and with playing with Softupdates on current, Softupdates leaves files system in a consistent state so that the file-system can be mounted after a crash/lockup/etc immediately and only a background fsck need be run to free up left over pieces laying around. You guys also might want to wonder over to Kirk's Softupdates site: http://www.McKusick.com/softdep/index.html DaveD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 17: 3:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from host213-123-129-165.btopenworld.com (host213-123-129-165.btopenworld.com [213.123.129.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C60537B401 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 17:03:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dominic@host213-123-129-165.btopenworld.com) Received: by host213-123-129-165.btopenworld.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2ECD228D; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 01:04:00 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 01:04:00 +0100 From: Dominic Marks To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Jail issues with -STABLE Message-ID: <20010708010400.A5653@btinternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, [ FreeBSD host213-123-129-165.btopenworld.com 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #2: Sat Jul 7 16:47:57 BST 2001 dominic@host213-123-129-165.btopenworld.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/APOLLO i386 ] I've been attempting to create a jailed environment on my machine for testing purposes, however I seem to have hit some problems. Having followed the instructions laid down in the man page I have successfully created a jailed file structure in /usr/jail which I can get into using: # jail /usr/jail atlas 10.0.0.137 /bin/tcsh Problems start when I attempt to add an alias for my network card. As suggested in the man page I use the following line to setup the alias from inside the jail: # ifconfig vr0 inet alias 10.0.0.137 netmask 255.255.255.255 However this fails with the following return value: ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCAIFADDR): permission denied However I am root inside the jail (observed with id(1)) so I do not fully understand why I would be denied this action. Also dmesg and top do not work, exiting with: kvm_open: short read top: kvm_read for _ccpu: Undefined error: 0 I'm assuming that this is because /kernel inside the jail is linked to /dev/null, but I wanted to make sure that this is normal behaviour... If anyone knows why I can't apply an alias to my card Id really appreciate it. Thanks Dominic Marks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 17:17:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hex.databits.net (hex.databits.net [207.29.192.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DF53C37B405 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 17:17:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from petef@hex.databits.net) Received: (qmail 66557 invoked by uid 1001); 8 Jul 2001 00:17:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:17:10 -0400 From: Pete Fritchman To: Dominic Marks Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Jail issues with -STABLE Message-ID: <20010707201710.C64749@databits.net> References: <20010708010400.A5653@btinternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010708010400.A5653@btinternet.com>; from dominic_marks@btinternet.com on Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 01:04:00AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG | Problems start when I attempt to add an alias for my network card. As | suggested in the man page I use the following line to setup the alias | from inside the jail: You need to add the alias outside the jail, and then you can start the jail and bind it on the aliased IP. Look at that section in the manpage again -- it shows you aliasing the IP address and then starting the jail. | fully understand why I would be denied this action. Also dmesg and top | do not work, exiting with: | | kvm_open: short read | top: kvm_read for _ccpu: Undefined error: 0 | | I'm assuming that this is because /kernel inside the jail is linked to | /dev/null, but I wanted to make sure that this is normal behaviour... Correct, this is normal behavior. -pete -- Pete Fritchman Databits Network Services, Inc. finger petef@databits.net for PGP key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 17:20:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from arcadia.megadeb.org (cpe.atm0-0-0-218131.arcnxx5.customer.tele.dk [62.242.79.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D4237B43A for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 17:20:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from munish@runbox.com) Received: (from munish@localhost) by arcadia.megadeb.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f680MSx61923 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 02:22:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from munish) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 02:22:23 +0200 From: Munish Chopra To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ReiserFS (was: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help)) Message-ID: <20010708022223.D271@arcadia.megadeb.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010707132458.D75626@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20010707144259.Q550-100000@consult-meyers.com> <20010708090243.U75626@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010708090243.U75626@wantadilla.lemis.com>; from grog@FreeBSD.ORG on Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 09:02:43AM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 09:02:43AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: [snip a whole boatload of stuff] > > I don't know enough about ReiserFS to be able to give a useful > opinion. The Linux people I know are by no means in agreement about > its merits, but I've heard that it's best as a "special purpose" FS > for small files. I don't know how valid that statement is. > Performance with a ton of small files is excellent, yes. It also saves space because it doesn't waste big blocks for small files etc., but for technical merits one should really read the paper on it. Real-world though, expect to find a lot of odd stuff in your lost+found dir on Linux. You can also expect weird behavior, though in general performance on (certain) kernels of the 2.4.x series has been quite good and stable. I'm still more impressed by XFS (on paper), but I've never run it on Linux myself. From those that have though, I hear it's very good, and the SGI folks seem to be putting a lot of work into key areas. Some of the kiddie diseases are wearing off apparently, and it's actually maturing nicely. Anyway, both are very interesting in the different approaches they take. -- -Munish To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 17:57:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from klentaq.com (klentaq1.emergingtech.org [199.217.151.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6911237B403 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 17:57:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stabilizer@klentaq.com) Received: (from stabilizer@localhost) by klentaq.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id TAA99806; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 19:59:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from stabilizer) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 19:59:13 -0500 From: Wayne M Barnes To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: kozak@klentaq.com, Jason W Barnes Subject: .jpg printing Message-ID: <20010707195913.A99773@klentaq.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Folks, I'd like to be able to print a .jpg picture to my HP color printer. I don't mind calling most any program you can recommend to do this. Ideally, I would even like to hit the "print" button on Netscape, and get the printer to print. As an added complication, this printer is attached to a Window98 system. I do have samba set up to print a plain ascii file, such as your answer to this email, but ... how to print a file.jpg, in color? [ The printer is an HP1175 ] I could pass the file to the printer with no filter or anything, so I don't suppose I have to ask for the samba business. -- Wayne M Barnes stabilizer@klentaq.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 17:58:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from klentaq.com (klentaq1.emergingtech.org [199.217.151.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B62637B401 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 17:58:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stabilizer@klentaq.com) Received: (from stabilizer@localhost) by klentaq.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id TAA99821; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 19:59:38 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from stabilizer) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 19:59:38 -0500 From: Wayne M Barnes To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: kozak@etaq.com, Jason W Barnes Subject: .jpg printing Message-ID: <20010707195913.A99773@klentaq.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Folks, I'd like to be able to print a .jpg picture to my HP color printer. I don't mind calling most any program you can recommend to do this. Ideally, I would even like to hit the "print" button on Netscape, and get the printer to print. As an added complication, this printer is attached to a Window98 system. I do have samba set up to print a plain ascii file, such as your answer to this email, but ... how to print a file.jpg, in color? [ The printer is an HP1175 ] I could pass the file to the printer with no filter or anything, so I don't suppose I have to ask for the samba business. -- Wayne M Barnes stabilizer@klentaq.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 18: 4:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from clyde.goodleaf.net (piscator.seanet.com [199.181.165.218]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB7437B405 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:04:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goodleaf@clyde.goodleaf.net) Received: by clyde.goodleaf.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E37CE5C69; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:22:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "J.Goodleaf" To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Benchmarks from SysAdmin mag Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 01:22:09 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010708012209.E37CE5C69@clyde.goodleaf.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I lack the technical expertise to judge this article fully. Any thoughts? FreeBSD comes out at the bottom, _below_ Win2K. http://www.samag.com/articles/2001/0107/0107a/0107a.htm -John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 18:15: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from panda.freebsdsystems.com (panda.freebsdsystems.com [216.126.95.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3657737B409 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:15:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lnb@FreeBSDsystems.com) Received: (qmail 51101 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2001 01:15:02 -0000 Received: from pm3-tor-56k-93.tht.net (HELO noemie) (216.126.89.93) by panda.freebsdsystems.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2001 01:15:02 -0000 From: "Lanny Baron" To: "'J.Goodleaf'" , Subject: RE: Benchmarks from SysAdmin mag Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 21:19:22 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20010708012209.E37CE5C69@clyde.goodleaf.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Disposition-Notification-To: "Lanny Baron" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, It looks very biased but looking at some of the words quickly. They say one thing and do another. Namely; "The operating systems were the latest version available from a commercial distribution and were not recompiled (i.e., everything was tested right out of the box)." " On the UNIX-style operating systems, it was necessary to tweak the kernel slightly to allow the use of so many connections in one process. " So the right and left hands no knot each other. --lanny -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of J.Goodleaf Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 9:22 PM To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Benchmarks from SysAdmin mag I lack the technical expertise to judge this article fully. Any thoughts? FreeBSD comes out at the bottom, _below_ Win2K. http://www.samag.com/articles/2001/0107/0107a/0107a.htm -John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 18:29:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bitbucket.extern.uniface.nl (bitbucket.extern.uniface.nl [193.78.88.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5F537B403 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:29:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from driehuis@playbeing.org) Received: from bh2.nl.compuware.com (unknown [172.16.17.82]) by bitbucket.extern.uniface.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC03A828A; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 03:29:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from trashcan.nl.compuware.com ([172.16.16.52]) by bh2.nl.compuware.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 3BVTYGS1; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 03:29:32 +0200 Received: from c1111.nl.compuware.com (c1111.nl.compuware.com [172.16.16.36]) by trashcan.nl.compuware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9261D145A4; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 03:29:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 03:29:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Bert Driehuis X-Sender: bertd@c1111.nl.compuware.com To: "J.Goodleaf" Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Benchmarks from SysAdmin mag In-Reply-To: <20010708012209.E37CE5C69@clyde.goodleaf.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, J.Goodleaf wrote: > I lack the technical expertise to judge this article fully. Any thoughts? > FreeBSD comes out at the bottom, _below_ Win2K. > > http://www.samag.com/articles/2001/0107/0107a/0107a.htm From the article: "If disk I/O occupies a significant run-time portion of your application, your disk I/O tasks will run up to 10x faster on Linux and Windows 2000, when compared to Solaris, or 6x faster than FreeBSD." Knowing that e-mail is the app under measurement, it is worth pointing out that the article mentions that file systems make a hell of a difference, but is silent about tweaking the file system, and why some filesystems are slower than others. If you don't enable softupdates on FreeBSD, mail delivery takes a significant hit. Conversely, Linux's EXT2 file system may be fast, but it is not robust with respect to file system integrity, so running a heavily loaded mail server will result in loss of mail if the server crashes. The article doesn't mention if they checked the disk was properly configured either. If SCSI tagging is not used, performance will suffer too. Etcetera, etcetera. Maybe the authors have done some homework in this area, but if they did, the article doesn't show it. I hate these quicky consumer tests. I remember, too vididly, that a Dutch consumer rag once concluded that a Mac was an order of magnitude slower than a contemporary PC because MS Word ran slow on it. Turned out they ran Windows under VirtualPC on that Mac... Cheers, -- Bert -- Bert Driehuis -- driehuis@playbeing.org -- +31-20-3116119 If the only tool you've got is an axe, every problem looks like fun! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 18:51: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from apocalypse.cdsnet.net (apocalypse.cdsnet.net [63.163.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E934B37B405 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:51:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mrcpu@apocalypse.cdsnet.net) Received: (qmail 29757 invoked by uid 29999); 8 Jul 2001 01:50:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:50:52 -0700 From: Jaye Mathisen To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Stable 3ware twe issues. Message-ID: <20010707185052.M96323@apocalypse.cdsnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG uname -a FreeBSD newsfeed-inn.meganews.com 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #3: Wed Jun 27 14:32:16 PDT 2001 root@newsfeed-inn.meganews.com:/n/FreeBSD/RELENG_4-2001-05-25/src/sys/compile/NEWSFEED-INN i386 syslog says: Jul 7 18:46:56 newsfeed-inn /kernel: twe1: command failed - device failure 3dmd shows green in the monitor, no alarms, no errors in details, and all devices show OK. So WTH? 2 6800 series controllers, 14 IBM 75 GB drives 1 7800 series controller, 4 WDC 20GB drives. The error is on 1 of the 6800's. /var/run/dmesg.boot doesn't have the kernel device stuff for some reason. All 6800's and 7800's were flashed to latest code as of 6/25. MB is an Intel l440GX. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 20:11:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.cs.uml.edu (saturn.cs.uml.edu [129.63.8.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB9C37B41C; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:11:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from acahalan@saturn.cs.uml.edu) Received: (from acahalan@localhost) by saturn.cs.uml.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) id f683BI3192583; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107080311.f683BI3192583@saturn.cs.uml.edu> From: "Albert D. Cahalan" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: grog@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ReiserFS (was: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help)) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey writes: > On Saturday, 7 July 2001 at 14:50:21 +0200, A. L. Meyers wrote: >> Just installed SuSE Linux 7.2 with Reiser FS throughout on an Intel >> SMP box. The FS purrs, even on /, which doesn't mean everything is >> better or worse than FBSD. > > I don't know enough about ReiserFS to be able to give a useful > opinion. The Linux people I know are by no means in agreement about > its merits, but I've heard that it's best as a "special purpose" FS > for small files. I don't know how valid that statement is. Old versions used "preserve lists" for integrity. New versions use a journal. The filesystem is great with huge files, up to the block device limit. With tail packing enabled, the filesystem is great with tiny files. Traditional filesystems can be slightly better in the "few kB" range. If you disable tail packing, Reiserfs behaves more like a traditional filesystem for tiny and mid-size files. For NFS, one should use the version 3 protocol and the most recent 2.4-series kernel. This is because Reiserfs needs more than just an inode number to find a file. Reiserfs doesn't really have inodes, and certainly doesn't have inode tables in fixed locations. If you try to use the NFS version 2 protocol, you lose when the client asks for a file that isn't in the server's cache. XFS and many other non-traditional filesystems also have trouble finding files by a 32-bit inode number. Reiserfs can be operated without directories for special purposes. ("ls" shows nothing) This is good for a web cache or mail server. Not that directories are slow though: you can put millions of subdirectories directly into a single parent. Porting to FreeBSD is not a sane thing to consider. Hans Reiser likes to keep the option of selling a closed-source license to people who can not accept the GPL; the BSD license would prevent him from doing this. Also the VFS layer is completely different. FreeBSD is far more inode-oriented than Linux is, isn't it? Hans Reiser would likely consider a port if you offer money. You'll need lots of money to get a BSD license on the code. Those of you doing appliance things might get a lower price. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 20:30:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from silby.com (cb34181-a.mdsn1.wi.home.com [24.14.173.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBED737B405 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:30:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from silby@silby.com) Received: (qmail 23558 invoked by uid 1000); 8 Jul 2001 03:30:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Jul 2001 03:30:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:30:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Silbersack To: Subject: Headsup: Tcp ISN generation changes from 4.2 to 4.3 Message-ID: <20010707002821.A18599-100000@achilles.silby.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If you are running 4.3-release or later, please read the entirety of this message; you are probably affected. Shortly before 4.3-release was tagged, the tcp initial sequence number generation scheme was changed to fix a weakness which could allow an attacker to reset connections. At that time, it was known that the fix would also break TIME_WAIT handling. The impact of this breakage was expected to be small. Unfortunately, recent reports on -net seem to indicate that the breakage is widespread. Consequently, I have just committed patches to -current and -stable which allow you to select the tcp initial sequence number generation scheme used by your system. If you don't wish to cvsup just for this patch, you may instead obtain it from http://www.silby.com/patches/multiple_isn_schemes.patch and manually apply the patch yourself. Once a patched / updated kernel is installed, you can change generation schemes with the sysctl net.inet.tcp.tcp_seq_genscheme. 0 = the older random positive increments, 1 = the newer randomized scheme. The newer scheme causes problems in cases where a FreeBSD is making many outgoing connections per second to the same host. For example, you may have a box which connects to a backend SQL server. If you have such a setup, you are probably seeing many rejected connections each second / other oddities in connection setup. If this is the case, you should update and toggle the system back to random positive increments. The newer scheme causes no problems in accepting incoming connections. As a result, you will probably see no problems if your servers mainly handle incoming requests and do not make many outgoing requests of their own. This sysctl will only be temporary. Once a secure _and_ compatible initial sequence number generation scheme is implemented, it will become the default. This will be at least a few weeks away, however. If you are seeing the problems described above, you should cvsup (or patch) and flip the sysctl now, rather than wait. Mike "Silby" Silbersack To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 21: 8:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6189B37B403 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 21:08:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA08525; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 21:08:03 -0700 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda08523; Sat Jul 7 21:08:02 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.4/8.9.1) id f6847vG66961; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 21:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from UNKNOWN(10.1.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdJ66959; Sat Jul 7 21:07:19 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.4/8.9.1) id f6847Ex16767; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 21:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107080407.f6847Ex16767@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpde16743; Sat Jul 7 21:06:17 2001 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-Sender: schubert To: Bert Driehuis Cc: "J.Goodleaf" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Benchmarks from SysAdmin mag In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 08 Jul 2001 03:29:32 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 21:06:17 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , B ert Driehuis writes: > On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, J.Goodleaf wrote: > > > I lack the technical expertise to judge this article fully. Any thoughts? > > FreeBSD comes out at the bottom, _below_ Win2K. > > > > http://www.samag.com/articles/2001/0107/0107a/0107a.htm > > >From the article: > > "If disk I/O occupies a significant run-time portion of your > application, your disk I/O tasks will run up to 10x faster on Linux and > Windows 2000, when compared to Solaris, or 6x faster than FreeBSD." > > Knowing that e-mail is the app under measurement, it is worth pointing > out that the article mentions that file systems make a hell of a > difference, but is silent about tweaking the file system, and why some > filesystems are slower than others. > > If you don't enable softupdates on FreeBSD, mail delivery takes a > significant hit. Conversely, Linux's EXT2 file system may be fast, but > it is not robust with respect to file system integrity, so running a > heavily loaded mail server will result in loss of mail if the server > crashes. > > The article doesn't mention if they checked the disk was properly > configured either. If SCSI tagging is not used, performance will suffer > too. Etcetera, etcetera. > > Maybe the authors have done some homework in this area, but if they did, > the article doesn't show it. I hate these quicky consumer tests. I > remember, too vididly, that a Dutch consumer rag once concluded that a > Mac was an order of magnitude slower than a contemporary PC because MS > Word ran slow on it. Turned out they ran Windows under VirtualPC on > that Mac... ... To add to what you've just said, Magazines like to play games, especially those little games that compare apples and oranges. It was DES who two years ago wrote on this list (I'm quoting from memory), "what you read in the media is true, until it's something you know about." What's my point? Marketing. Yes, marketing. 1. Softupdates has been around for a while. Many of us, including myself, use softupdates on critical production systems on a daily basis, AND on root filesystems. Should not softupdates be the default? If not the default, at least an option in sysinstall? 2. Write caching can under the right set of circumstances have a detrimental affect on RAS (Reliability, Availability, and Serviceability). That's why IDE write caching is turned off by default. Those of us who have been following the write caching arguments on this list over the past 12 months or so, have learned how to turn off write caching on SCSI drives as well. However, turning off write back cache (enabling write through cache) does have a detrimental affect on performance. I think that for marketing purposes, e.g. magazines writing articles that compare filesystem performance, a sysinstall option to enable filesystem performance -- turn on write caching -- at the expense of RAS -- and make it abundantly clear to the user that their data is at risk -- might go a long way to reducing bad press when filesystems are compared. Once again before people forget (we have short memories) let me stress that a sysinstall option to turn on write back cache should have strong words discouraging selection of the option but should also outline the performance benefit. Of course this allows the average uneducated end-user to shoot themselves in the foot, and lord knows we've had enough discussions about this concept on the various FreeBSD mailing lists over the years. For those of us technically adept enough to successfully buildworld, this is just fluff, as enabling softupdates and disabling/enabling write back cache on IDE (via loader) and SCSI (via camcontrol) drives is trivial and hardly worth discussion. However when it comes to the media and the masses, perception is reality (even though we know better). In short our choice is, do we want to give the user yet another option with its benefits and pitfalls or do we want to coddle the end user to protect them from themselves? Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/Alpha Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 21:53:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A9537B401 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 21:53:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 576B96ACBC; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:23:18 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:23:18 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Dave Duchscher Cc: Dave Uhring , "Jim C. Nasby" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Oliver Fromme Subject: Re: JFS Message-ID: <20010708142318.V80862@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200107071638.SAA19610@lurza.secnetix.de> <01070711475500.00362@dave> <3B476285.43347BA1@nasby.net> <000d01c1074e$49d31ba0$0300a8c0@uhring.com> <20010707185753.B27481@net.tamu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010707185753.B27481@net.tamu.edu>; from daved@tamu.edu on Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 06:57:53PM -0500 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Saturday, 7 July 2001 at 18:57:53 -0500, Dave Duchscher wrote: > On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 08:35:35PM -0500, Dave Uhring wrote: >> >> You seem to have missed the critical point of that paper. When the >> system goes completely haywire and either crashes or locks up so hard >> that a manual reset is required, UFS/softupdates requires a substantial >> amount of time to run fsck. If you have a very large filesystem, you >> then have to w....a....i....t until fsck completes. And if you are >> lucky, it will not terminate with the suggestion that you run fsck by >> hand. With a true journalling filesystem this wait is obviated. The >> last transactions are rerun or truncated and the system boots up. > > Just to bring up a point, Softupdates will also avoid the long fsck at > boot. If I understand the papers I have read and with playing with > Softupdates on current, Softupdates leaves files system in a > consistent state so that the file-system can be mounted after a > crash/lockup/etc immediately and only a background fsck need be run to > free up left over pieces laying around. You're thinking of snapshotting, not soft updates. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 22: 6: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA5837B401 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:06:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE70C6ACBC; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:36:01 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:36:01 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Munish Chopra Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: XFS (was: ReiserFS (was: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help)))a Message-ID: <20010708143601.A80862@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20010707132458.D75626@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20010707144259.Q550-100000@consult-meyers.com> <20010708090243.U75626@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20010708022223.D271@arcadia.megadeb.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010708022223.D271@arcadia.megadeb.org>; from chopra@runbox.com on Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 02:22:23AM +0200 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 8 July 2001 at 2:22:23 +0200, Munish Chopra wrote: > > I'm still more impressed by XFS (on paper), but I've never run it on > Linux myself. From those that have though, I hear it's very good, and > the SGI folks seem to be putting a lot of work into key areas. Some of > the kiddie diseases are wearing off apparently, and it's actually > maturing nicely. Agreed, it seems like quite a good design to me too. I have heard recently, however, that they needed to make a number of changes to the Linux kernel in order to get it to perform acceptably, and that Linux may not accept these changes. I don't know any details, however. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 7 22:20: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailout1.nyroc.rr.com (mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CBD137B401 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:19:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from James_Bond_79@yahoo.com) Received: from halstead007 (roc-24-169-196-57.rochester.rr.com [24.169.196.57]) by mailout1.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.2/RoadRunner 1.03) with SMTP id f685IKf13097; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 01:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; charset="iso-8859-1"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_U435VQOMSV8BD01UQ4XQ" From: James Halstead To: Wayne M Barnes , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: .jpg printing Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 01:26:54 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: kozak@etaq.com, Jason W Barnes References: <20010707195913.A99773@klentaq.com> In-Reply-To: <20010707195913.A99773@klentaq.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01070801265400.92848@halstead007> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --------------Boundary-00=_U435VQOMSV8BD01UQ4XQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Use cups (ports/print/cups) it has "drivers" that will allow printing to hp printers. Attached is a patch that will update the port to version 1.1.8, apply using: cd /usr/ports/print && patch < /path/to/cups.patch James On Saturday 07 July 2001 20:59, Wayne M Barnes wrote: > Dear Folks, > > I'd like to be able to print a .jpg picture to my HP color > printer. I don't mind calling most any program you > can recommend to do this. > > Ideally, I would even like to hit the "print" button on Netscape, > and get the printer to print. > > As an added complication, this printer is attached to a Window98 > system. > > I do have samba set up to print a plain ascii file, such > as your answer to this email, but ... how to print a file.jpg, > in color? 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freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from veldy.net (w028.z064001117.msp-mn.dsl.cnc.net [64.1.117.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A9137B401 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:16:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from veldy@veldy.net) Received: from cascade (cascade.veldy.net [192.168.1.1]) by veldy.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6139ABAB6 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 01:16:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003801c10775$7fb76ce0$0101a8c0@cascade> From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: References: <200107080311.f683BI3192583@saturn.cs.uml.edu> Subject: Re: ReiserFS (was: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help)) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 01:16:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG technical merits one should really read the paper on it. Real-world > though, expect to find a lot of odd stuff in your lost+found dir on > Linux. There is no "lost+found" using ReiserFS. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message