From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 19 10:14:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D1237B401 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 10:14:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tower.berklix.org (bsd.bsn.com [194.221.32.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30BE043FB1 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 10:14:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from tower.berklix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h4JHEwr6037880 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 19:14:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@tower.berklix.org) Received: (from jhs@localhost) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h4JHEOge037879; Mon, 19 May 2003 19:14:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 19:14:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Julian Stacey Message-Id: <200305191714.h4JHEOge037879@tower.berklix.org> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message from "Julian Stacey" <200305171410.h4HEADoe032933@tower.berk Subject: Re: SCO sue IBM re Linux Sys V Copyright. Maybe patent danger later? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 17:14:55 -0000 lix.org> I wrote: > Worst nightmare is Microsoft (or some parasite that may not even > write code) acquiring software patents, (either deliberately, > or by accidentaly acquiring them while buying other companies), > ... & later attacking Linux & BSD & all else. Microsoft just bought rights to use Sco Unix patents etc: http://ir.sco.com/ReleaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=109360 but not the patents themselves though. M$ also bought copyright access to the SCO Unix code - Yawn - It's software patents that concern me. - Julian Stacey Freelance Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 19 10:34:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE3B37B404 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 10:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0373743F75 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 10:34:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from question+advocacy@closedsrc.org) Received: by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3A1E752F9; Mon, 19 May 2003 10:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:34:51 -0700 From: Linh Pham To: Julian Stacey Message-ID: <20030519173451.GA74718@q.closedsrc.org> References: <200305191714.h4JHEOge037879@tower.berklix.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AqsLC8rIMeq19msA" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200305191714.h4JHEOge037879@tower.berklix.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: closedsrc.org Mail-Copies-To: poster X-PGP-Key: http://olosedsrc.org/~question/pubkey.asc cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SCO sue IBM re Linux Sys V Copyright. Maybe patent danger later? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 17:34:59 -0000 --AqsLC8rIMeq19msA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2003-05-19 19:14 +0200, Julian Stacey wrote: # Microsoft just bought rights to use Sco Unix patents etc: # http://ir.sco.com/ReleaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=3D109360 # but not the patents themselves though. # M$ also bought copyright access to the SCO Unix code - Yawn - It's =20 # software patents that concern me. This definitely has a two-fold effect: 1. SCO gets more money and weight behind their fight against IBM 2. Microsoft uses this as weight against their fight against Linux Microsoft has always said that the GPL is viral and has potential effects on companies who use Linux (and other GPL'd software)... this is just another bit that they can carry in their arsenal. Hopefully, Microsoft doesn't blindly use the term "Open Source" to just mean GPL and Linux as that could also harm the BSD portion of Open Source. That's just my take. --=20 Linh Pham question+advocacy@closedsrc.org Webmaster and FreeBSD Geek http://closedsrc.org Apprentice Manager Editor and Writer http://www.daemonnews.org Courage: The things I do for love | And So Western Civilization Crumbles --AqsLC8rIMeq19msA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+yRW7whofDeWkDMIRAtRPAJ0ane9Pfv+Dn2qMWCTRcKQH9N+EAQCePnxB d3FWKgESuOp4SreY/gRUbGM= =B+7i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AqsLC8rIMeq19msA-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 19 13:13:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BC637B401 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 13:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.acuson.com (ac17859.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405D843F3F for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 13:13:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HF50089AHGVTD@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 May 2003 13:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 19 May 2003 13:02:21 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id JQ7MSMMT; Mon, 19 May 2003 13:03:48 -0700 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 13:13:09 -0700 From: Johnson David In-reply-to: <20030519173451.GA74718@q.closedsrc.org> To: Linh Pham Message-id: <200305191313.09553.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <20030519173451.GA74718@q.closedsrc.org> cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SCO sue IBM re Linux Sys V Copyright. Maybe patent danger lat er? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 20:13:38 -0000 On Monday 19 May 2003 10:34 am, Linh Pham wrote: > Microsoft has always said that the GPL is viral and has potential > effects on companies who use Linux (and other GPL'd software)... this > is just another bit that they can carry in their arsenal. But it's FUD that will only work against the ignorant. This case isn't about GPL infecting a proprietary source base, but rather about a GPL source base using proprietary code without permission. The licensing of Linux has zero bearing on the matter, the licensing of SCO's UNIX code is what matters. What if SCO found that Microsoft had used SCO UNIX code in Windows Server 2003? Is that any better? Of course not. David p.s. Of course I think the whole SCO lawsuit is baseless. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 19 23:28:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9769E37B401 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 23:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFF543FA3 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 23:28:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from user-38lc0ps.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.3.60] helo=mindspring.com) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19I0c6-0001cG-00; Mon, 19 May 2003 23:28:43 -0700 Message-ID: <3EC9CAD2.7A93DC3C@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 23:27:30 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johnson David References: <20030519173451.GA74718@q.closedsrc.org> <200305191313.09553.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4b4839c7c2f149cbe98cc9c5ae027797a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SCO sue IBM re Linux Sys V Copyright. Maybe patent danger later? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 06:28:46 -0000 Johnson David wrote: > On Monday 19 May 2003 10:34 am, Linh Pham wrote: > > Microsoft has always said that the GPL is viral and has potential > > effects on companies who use Linux (and other GPL'd software)... this > > is just another bit that they can carry in their arsenal. > > But it's FUD that will only work against the ignorant. This case isn't > about GPL infecting a proprietary source base, but rather about a GPL > source base using proprietary code without permission. The licensing of > Linux has zero bearing on the matter, the licensing of SCO's UNIX code > is what matters. > > What if SCO found that Microsoft had used SCO UNIX code in Windows > Server 2003? Is that any better? Of course not. SVR4, UnixWare, et. al. have always had Microsoft Xenix code in them in places, so Microsoft has always had an "out", in terms of cross-licensing. Clearly, this is just a PR ploy. Also, Microsoft had an equity stake in SCO at one point, as a result of SCO having licensed Microsoft's Xenix source code as part of the basis of SCO Xenix (Microsoft had two different supported platforms, Intel and 68K; the 68K was an internal Microsoft product only, and was never sold publically, to my knowledge). I believe the stake was 20% of SCO. I don't know if they kept it when Caldera acquired the SCO software group, etc.. -- Terry From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 23 09:07:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596C337B401 for ; Fri, 23 May 2003 09:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABADD43F93 for ; Fri, 23 May 2003 09:07:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19JF5A-00088j-00; Fri, 23 May 2003 09:07:48 -0700 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:07:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: BSDay 2003 held in Poland on May 21 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:07:58 -0000 Jacek Artymiak wrote about BSDday 2003 at http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/3219 He wrote that Marcin Swietochowski gave a presentation about switching from Linux to FreeBSD for the Polish Ministry of Health. Jakub Klausa presented about a VoIP network infrastructure based on FreeBSD. Przemek Frasunek spoke about FreeBSD security. Other topics covered BSD kernel internals, NetBSD, OpenBSD used as an auditing tool, and software packaging systems. Jeremy C. Reed http://www.bsdnewsletter.com/ p.s. Anyone interested in helping with a one-day BSD conference in Seattle, Washington, USA? From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 24 12:00:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E06737B401 for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 12:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DC243F85 for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 12:00:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4OJ0PUp060147 for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 12:00:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4OJ0PiZ060146; Sat, 24 May 2003 12:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 12:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305241900.h4OJ0PiZ060146@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, "Miguel Mendez" Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A31937B401 for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 11:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mindfields.energyhq.es.eu.org (213-97-200-73.uc.nombres.ttd.es [213.97.200.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D165643F3F for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 11:58:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org) Received: from scienide.energyhq.es.eu.org (scienide.energyhq.es.eu.org [192.168.100.1]) by mindfields.energyhq.es.eu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5EBD2F063 for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 20:58:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: 1053802693@scienide.energyhq.es.eu.org Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 20:58:15 +0200 From: "Miguel Mendez" To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: gtk-send-pr 0.1 Subject: advocacy/52652: Update japanese/mozilla-jlp-devel to 0.2.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:00:26 -0000 >Number: 52652 >Category: advocacy >Synopsis: Update japanese/mozilla-jlp-devel to 0.2.1 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-advocacy >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat May 24 12:00:24 PDT 2003 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Miguel Mendez >Release: FreeBSD 5.1-BETA i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD scienide.energyhq.es.eu.org 5.1-BETA FreeBSD 5.1-BETA #0: Thu May 22 10:34:47 CEST 2003 root@scienide.energyhq.es.eu.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SCIENIDE i386 >Description: 0.2.1 is out and 0.1 seems to have disappeared from the web site. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- mozilla-jlp-devel.diff begins here --- diff -ruN mozilla-jlp-devel.old/Makefile mozilla-jlp-devel/Makefile --- mozilla-jlp-devel.old/Makefile Fri May 23 03:44:04 2003 +++ mozilla-jlp-devel/Makefile Sat May 24 20:50:19 2003 @@ -7,13 +7,11 @@ PORTNAME= mozilla PORTVERSION= 1.4b -PORTREVISION?= 0 -#PORTEPOCH= 1 +PORTREVISION?= 1 CATEGORIES= japanese www MASTER_SITES= http://plaza25.mbn.or.jp/~snip/jlp/ -#MASTER_SITE_SUBDIR= jlpmoz PKGNAMESUFFIX= -jlp -DISTNAME= ${PORTNAME}${PORTVERSION}-jajppack-tm0.1 +DISTNAME= ${PORTNAME}${PORTVERSION}-jajppack-tm0.2.1 EXTRACT_SUFX= .xpi MAINTAINER= yatt@luna2.org diff -ruN mozilla-jlp-devel.old/distinfo mozilla-jlp-devel/distinfo --- mozilla-jlp-devel.old/distinfo Fri May 23 03:44:04 2003 +++ mozilla-jlp-devel/distinfo Sat May 24 18:57:52 2003 @@ -1 +1 @@ -MD5 (mozilla1.4b-jajppack-tm0.1.xpi) = aeb1457346bd55e4fc8037e0ae7a93d6 +MD5 (mozilla1.4b-jajppack-tm0.2.1.xpi) = 6e570c54e22d11711c106f63b931f31b --- mozilla-jlp-devel.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: