From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 18 11:02:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701F137B401 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B185A43FE5 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:01:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7II1xUp068633 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:01:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h7II1xXX068627 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200308181801.h7II1xXX068627@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:02:00 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems Serious problems Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2003/01/27] advocacy/47559advocacy New FreeBSD PR campaign has been started. 1 problem total. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 18 18:13:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9908A37B401 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amsfep15-int.chello.nl (amsfep15-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3777143F93 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:13:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dodell@sitetronics.com) Received: from internal ([213.46.141.159]) by amsfep14-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030819003208.CYET15718.amsfep14-int.chello.nl@internal> for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 02:32:08 +0200 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 02:31:55 +0200 Organization: SiteTronics Message-ID: <006301c365e9$4b378160$9f8d2ed5@internal> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <200308181801.h7II1xXX068627@freefall.freebsd.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:13:31 -0000 Hey everyone, I've just gotten this email -- I'm not familiar with how the FreeBSD advocacy/bugs system works, but I was wondering if this is something = that gets sent to everybody on the list or if I'm just responsible for evangelizing :). I've no problem with this; in fact, I'm well on my way evangelizing -- just wanted to know if there are specific suggestions of things I need to do (or if I should just "disregard" this mail if it's = been sent to everyone). --Devon > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > advocacy@freebsd.org] Namens FreeBSD bugmaster > Verzonden: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:02 PM > Aan: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org > Onderwerp: Current problem reports assigned to you >=20 > Current FreeBSD problem reports > Critical problems > Serious problems > Non-critical problems >=20 > S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description > = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - > ----- > o [2003/01/27] advocacy/47559advocacy New FreeBSD PR campaign has = been > started. >=20 > 1 problem total. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 19 05:28:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F6616A4BF for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 05:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9980443F75 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 05:28:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from akruijff@www.kruijff.org) Received: from kruij557.speed.planet.nl (ipd50a97ba.speed.planet.nl [213.10.151.186]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HJV007XB9BN97@smtp05.wxs.nl> for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:28:36 +0200 (MEST) Received: from Intranet.lan (akruijff@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h7JCNMQT069238;akruijff@Intranet.lan) Received: (from akruijff@localhost) by Intranet.lan (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h7JCNLTY069237; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:23:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:23:21 +0200 From: Alex de Kruijff In-reply-to: <006301c365e9$4b378160$9f8d2ed5@internal> To: "Devon H. O'Dell" Message-id: <20030819122321.GE13873@dds.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i References: <200308181801.h7II1xXX068627@freefall.freebsd.org> <006301c365e9$4b378160$9f8d2ed5@internal> cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:28:07 -0000 On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 02:31:55AM +0200, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I've just gotten this email -- I'm not familiar with how the FreeBSD > advocacy/bugs system works, but I was wondering if this is something that > gets sent to everybody on the list or if I'm just responsible for > evangelizing :). I've no problem with this; in fact, I'm well on my way > evangelizing -- just wanted to know if there are specific suggestions of > things I need to do (or if I should just "disregard" this mail if it's been > sent to everyone). > I bleave that anyone is welcome to answer any ticket in the bug system unleas its already assigned to someone. If you feel you have a good anser for a ticket which has bin assigned to someone, then you sould mail the person to whom its bin assigned. In this case the assigned ment is send to a list. Meaning that everyone is welcome to answer it. -- Alex Articles based on solutions that I use: http://www.kruijff.org/alex/index.php?dir=docs/FreeBSD/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 20 02:44:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFBEC16A4BF for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9D543FF7 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:44:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7K9ieUp090872 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:44:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h7K9ieKc090871; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200308200944.h7K9ieKc090871@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org From: acc@anthonychavez.org Subject: Re: advocacy/47559: New FreeBSD PR campaign has been started... multiple projects underway. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: acc@anthonychavez.org List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:44:41 -0000 The following reply was made to PR advocacy/47559; it has been noted by GNATS. From: acc@anthonychavez.org To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, olivas@digiflux.org Cc: Subject: Re: advocacy/47559: New FreeBSD PR campaign has been started... multiple projects underway. Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:11:17 -0600 >State: suspended This project will (eventually) be developed on two domains: bsdevents.org (for sharing news about advocacy opportunties) and bsdadvocacy.org (a clearinghouse for advocacy resources, ammunition and the like). All members of the project currently extremely busy, so the project has been put temporarily on hold. In need of developer with PHP/Smarty (http://smarty.php.net/, /usr/ports/www/smarty) and PostgreSQL/Berkeley DB skills to put together the foundation for the sites. If interested in contributing, please join the mailing list at the following URL and let us know! https://secure.daemonnews.org/mailman/listinfo/bsd-advocacy From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 20 03:12:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799AF16A4C0 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 03:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amsfep13-int.chello.nl (amsfep13-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8FE43FBF for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 03:12:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dodell@sitetronics.com) Received: from sitetronics.com ([80.56.70.158]) by amsfep13-int.chello.nl ESMTP <20030820101245.UZNL16676.amsfep13-int.chello.nl@sitetronics.com>; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:12:45 +0200 Message-ID: <3F43498E.3000304@sitetronics.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:12:30 +0200 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20030329 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: acc@anthonychavez.org References: <200308200944.h7K9ieKc090871@freefall.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <200308200944.h7K9ieKc090871@freefall.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: advocacy/47559: New FreeBSD PR campaign has been started...multiple projects underway. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:12:49 -0000 acc@anthonychavez.org wrote: Hey Anthony, I'm definitely interested in contributing to these projects; I'm a PHP (among other languages) programmer and "supporting author" (for lack of a better word) of a couple of PHP-related titles from Wrox. Let me know what the ideas are; I'm definitely up for helping. I've joined the bsd-advocacy list on Daemon News. --Devon >The following reply was made to PR advocacy/47559; it has been noted by GNATS. > >From: acc@anthonychavez.org >To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, olivas@digiflux.org >Cc: >Subject: Re: advocacy/47559: New FreeBSD PR campaign has been started... > multiple projects underway. >Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:11:17 -0600 > > >State: suspended > This project will (eventually) be developed on two domains: > bsdevents.org (for sharing news about advocacy opportunties) and > bsdadvocacy.org (a clearinghouse for advocacy resources, ammunition > and the like). > > All members of the project currently extremely busy, so the project has > been put temporarily on hold. In need of developer with PHP/Smarty > (http://smarty.php.net/, /usr/ports/www/smarty) and PostgreSQL/Berkeley > DB skills to put together the foundation for the sites. > > If interested in contributing, please join the mailing list at the > following URL and let us know! > > https://secure.daemonnews.org/mailman/listinfo/bsd-advocacy > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 20 04:41:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605A416A4BF; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 04:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etna.obsidian.co.za (etna.obsidian.co.za [196.36.119.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0396C43FEC; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 04:41:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeandre@itvs.co.za) Received: from etna.obsidian.co.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by etna.obsidian.co.za (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KBeofJ032529; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:40:50 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost)h7KBeoef032527; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:40:50 +0200 Received: from tarcil (tarcil [172.16.1.14]) by flash.itvs.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26814; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:14:00 +0200 From: Jeandre du Toit To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1061379040.1442.1.camel@Tarcil> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.3 Date: 20 Aug 2003 13:30:40 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Loving the FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:41:06 -0000 dear mr computer, = i would like you to keep you os of my front porch. if i see windows in= or near my house again there will be trouble. i have been trying to train = it to work (this might be a new concept to it because it doesn't seem to un= derstand) but i can't. i also think that i might be allergic to windows and= this causes problems for me and my whole family. why don't you just get ri= d of windows and get yourself freebsd instead? i know your kids will be sad= at first, but they will learn to love freebsd more than they could have ev= er loved windows. your whole life will change, things will seem to be worki= ng better (because it is!) there won't be any more fights or corruption and= it is alot cheaper to maintain a freebsd than a windows. i could go on and= on, but you need to see for yourself. i havn't had my freebsd for too long= but i can tell you i have never looked back since getting it. i don't thin= k i would ever be able to live without it. i can't thank those genetic expe= rts that put freebsd together enough, thanks guys! do it for you internals! = your friendly network neighbour jeandre From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 20 04:50:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6B816A4BF for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 04:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D19A43FBF for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 04:50:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KBoKUp009075 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 04:50:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h7KBoKkB009073; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 04:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 04:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200308201150.h7KBoKkB009073@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org From: acc@anthonychavez.org Subject: Re: advocacy/47559: New FreeBSD PR campaign has been started... multiple projects underway. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: acc@anthonychavez.org List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:50:21 -0000 The following reply was made to PR advocacy/47559; it has been noted by GNATS. From: acc@anthonychavez.org To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, olivas@digiflux.org Cc: Subject: Re: advocacy/47559: New FreeBSD PR campaign has been started... multiple projects underway. Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:11:17 -0600 >State: suspended This project will (eventually) be developed on two domains: bsdevents.org (for sharing news about advocacy opportunties) and bsdadvocacy.org (a clearinghouse for advocacy resources, ammunition and the like). All members of the project currently extremely busy, so the project has been put temporarily on hold. In need of developer with PHP/Smarty (http://smarty.php.net/, /usr/ports/www/smarty) and PostgreSQL/Berkeley DB skills to put together the foundation for the sites. If interested in contributing, please join the mailing list at the following URL and let us know! https://secure.daemonnews.org/mailman/listinfo/bsd-advocacy From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 20 06:25:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C086216A4BF for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 06:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.ocsinternet.com (bast.ocsinternet.com [204.107.76.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DDA543FDD for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 06:25:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikel.king@ocsny.com) Received: from ocsny.com (fw207.ocsny.com [204.107.76.207]) by bast.ocsinternet.com (8.11.3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h7KDPO338572; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:25:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mikel.king@ocsny.com) Message-ID: <3F437771.4010201@ocsny.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:28:17 -0400 From: Mikel King User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5a) Gecko/20030718 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Devon H. O'Dell" References: <200308200944.h7K9ieKc090871@freefall.freebsd.org> <3F43498E.3000304@sitetronics.com> In-Reply-To: <3F43498E.3000304@sitetronics.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: acc@anthonychavez.org Subject: Re: advocacy/47559: New FreeBSD PR campaign has beenstarted...multiple projects underway. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:25:36 -0000 Count me in. We do alot of php stuff around here. Devon H. O'Dell wrote: > acc@anthonychavez.org wrote: > Hey Anthony, > > I'm definitely interested in contributing to these projects; I'm a PHP > (among other languages) programmer and "supporting author" (for lack > of a better word) of a couple of PHP-related titles from Wrox. Let me > know what the ideas are; I'm definitely up for helping. > > I've joined the bsd-advocacy list on Daemon News. > > --Devon > >> The following reply was made to PR advocacy/47559; it has been noted >> by GNATS. >> >> From: acc@anthonychavez.org >> To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, olivas@digiflux.org >> Cc: Subject: Re: advocacy/47559: New FreeBSD PR campaign has been >> started... >> multiple projects underway. >> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:11:17 -0600 >> >> >State: suspended >> This project will (eventually) be developed on two domains: >> bsdevents.org (for sharing news about advocacy opportunties) and >> bsdadvocacy.org (a clearinghouse for advocacy resources, ammunition >> and the like). >> >> All members of the project currently extremely busy, so the project has >> been put temporarily on hold. In need of developer with PHP/Smarty >> (http://smarty.php.net/, /usr/ports/www/smarty) and PostgreSQL/Berkeley >> DB skills to put together the foundation for the sites. >> >> If interested in contributing, please join the mailing list at the >> following URL and let us know! >> >> https://secure.daemonnews.org/mailman/listinfo/bsd-advocacy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 20 10:22:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46EC916A4BF; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC52743FCB; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:22:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:3354 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19pWf8-00028E-5J; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:22:22 -0700 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:21:14 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-151.acuson.com ([157.226.46.151]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id Q0N451BV; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:20:29 -0700 From: Johnson David To: Jeandre du Toit , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:21:32 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <1061379040.1442.1.camel@Tarcil> In-Reply-To: <1061379040.1442.1.camel@Tarcil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308201021.32294.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19pWf8-00028E-5J*OCc1hJY/ZmI* X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: Re: Loving the FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:22:29 -0000 On Wednesday 20 August 2003 04:30 am, Jeandre du Toit wrote: > i would like you to keep you os of my front porch. if i see > windows in or near my house again there will be trouble. Hee hee! I just built myself a new computer, and Windows is one of the OSs that will run on it. My first experience with Windows XP leaves me less than thrilled. Formatting a 20Gig UFS2+Softupdates partition: less than five seconds. Versus. Formatting a 20Gig NTFS partition: ten minutes. Installing FreeBSD 5.1: about ten minutes, with zero reboots. Versus. Installing Windows XP: 52 minutes, plus two reboots (fewer reboots than with 98 though!). Security advisories: FreeBSD 5.1 none that affect my system. Versus. Windows XP + SP1 + about 40Megs of critical updates. I haven't even gotten around to the fixes for those two internet shattering worms that hit during the last two weeks. Setting up a DVD player in FreeBSD: install MPlayer and everything just works. Versus. Setting up a DVD player in Windows XP: Try Windows Media Player 9.0. Media Player crashes. Try "demo" version of WinDVD. Doesn't work. Still haven't gotten DVD playback to work under Windows yet. Yes, I need more technical savvy to use FreeBSD. But since I already have some small modicum of technical savvy, the choice for me is clear. The only thing keeping Windows around for me is a tiny handful of applications and the occasional game. David From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 20 10:45:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8558116A4BF; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ukpost.com (ns0.ukpost.com [217.158.120.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2285C43F85; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:45:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rama@ukfsn.org) Received: from mail.ukfsn.org (pop3.ukfsn.org [217.158.120.143]) by mail.ukpost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3758C1F802C; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:42:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from ukfsn.org (unknown [81.5.144.97]) by mail.ukfsn.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D38CE6A85; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:39:51 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3F43B393.3010609@ukfsn.org> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:44:51 +0100 From: Ramanan Selvaratnam User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johnson David References: <1061379040.1442.1.camel@Tarcil> <200308201021.32294.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> In-Reply-To: <200308201021.32294.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Loving the FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: rama@ukfsn.org List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:45:04 -0000 Johnson David wrote: >On Wednesday 20 August 2003 04:30 am, Jeandre du Toit wrote: > > > >> i would like you to keep you os of my front porch. if i see >>windows in or near my house again there will be trouble. >> >> > >Hee hee! > >I just built myself a new computer, and Windows is one of the OSs that >will run on it. My first experience with Windows XP leaves me less than >thrilled. > >Formatting a 20Gig UFS2+Softupdates partition: less than five seconds. >Versus. Formatting a 20Gig NTFS partition: ten minutes. > >Installing FreeBSD 5.1: about ten minutes, with zero reboots. Versus. > To be fair and clear -- With a GUI 'desktop' environment and all in ten minutes? >Installing Windows XP: 52 minutes, plus two reboots (fewer reboots than >with 98 though!). > >Security advisories: FreeBSD 5.1 none that affect my system. Versus. >Windows XP + SP1 + about 40Megs of critical updates. I haven't even >gotten around to the fixes for those two internet shattering worms that >hit during the last two weeks. > >Setting up a DVD player in FreeBSD: install MPlayer and everything just >works. Versus. Setting up a DVD player in Windows XP: Try Windows Media >Player 9.0. Media Player crashes. Try "demo" version of WinDVD. Doesn't >work. Still haven't gotten DVD playback to work under Windows yet. > >Yes, I need more technical savvy to use FreeBSD. But since I already >have some small modicum of technical savvy, the choice for me is clear. >The only thing keeping Windows around for me is a tiny handful of >applications and the occasional game. > Important -- you missed the important comparision about the system respecting the user's freedoms. Less important -- Never run MS-Windows (if you have to) without Anti-Virus/Worm software (from Microsoft recommended vendors) if connecting to the internet :-) Regards, Ramanan From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 20 12:02:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E146716A4BF; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66F143FB1; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:02:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:1857 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19pYDT-0001SY-5S; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:01:55 -0700 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:00:44 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-151.acuson.com ([157.226.46.151]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id Q0N45FVD; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:59:58 -0700 From: Johnson David To: rama@ukfsn.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:01:01 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <1061379040.1442.1.camel@Tarcil> <200308201021.32294.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <3F43B393.3010609@ukfsn.org> In-Reply-To: <3F43B393.3010609@ukfsn.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308201201.02024.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19pYDT-0001SY-5S*oPR1Q95U4Ew* X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Loving the FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:02:02 -0000 On Wednesday 20 August 2003 10:44 am, Ramanan Selvaratnam wrote: > >Installing FreeBSD 5.1: about ten minutes, with zero reboots. > > Versus. > > To be fair and clear -- With a GUI 'desktop' environment and all in > ten minutes? To be fair, I didn't install KDE or GNOME at that time. But I did install XFree86 and Windowmaker. This is still pretty damned fast, so how is it possible? Simple. The system is a 2.8GHz P4, installing from DVD drive onto Serial ATA harddrive (UDMA150). > Important -- you missed the important comparision about the system > respecting the user's freedoms. Yes, I forget that. I ran into some major culture shocks when installing and using WinXP. Product activation? License agreements for *drivers*? Some of the "privacy" options while installing Media Player were absolutely bizarre! And don't even get me started on DVD regions. I have absolutely no problems with paying for software. Heck, I'm on a FreeBSD subscription, and it's free beer! But this shareware mentality in Windows land is twisted. Either these guys have delusional ideas about the quality of their software, or they're completely reprobate. David From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 20 14:32:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B288716A4BF; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0932E43F3F; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:32:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:2870 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19paZK-0003Dm-5T; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:32:38 -0700 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:31:29 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-151.acuson.com ([157.226.46.151]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id Q0N45HXQ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:30:46 -0700 From: Johnson David To: Erich Zigler Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:31:49 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <1061379040.1442.1.camel@Tarcil> <200308201201.02024.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <3F43D5D0.7050803@superhero.org> In-Reply-To: <3F43D5D0.7050803@superhero.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308201431.49758.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19paZK-0003Dm-5T*ez1uDxGoW.A* X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Loving the FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:32:44 -0000 On Wednesday 20 August 2003 01:10 pm, Erich Zigler wrote: > Primarily it has to do with encoding video, I do a lot of video work. > (It's my hobby) and must be able to encode video to DVD specs and > burn DVD's. I can handle the video extraction from the cameras easily > enough. You can burn to DVD's under FreeBSD easily enough (either burncd or dvd+rw-tools). The video encoding is going to be much more difficult. There are a few ports that are related, but I have no idea how useful they are. Check under the multimedia ports for some ideas. David From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 20 17:05:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A278F16A4BF for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B876943F75 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:05:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frumin@phreaker.net) Received: from astron (dialup-67.72.213.178.Dial1.Detroit1.Level3.net [67.72.213.178])h7L05O6Q024180 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:05:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:59:46 -0400 From: frumin To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030820195946.0405298c.frumin@phreaker.net> In-Reply-To: <200308201431.49758.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> References: <1061379040.1442.1.camel@Tarcil> <200308201201.02024.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <3F43D5D0.7050803@superhero.org> <200308201431.49758.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Loving the FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:05:27 -0000 Yes but MPlayer makes it easy enough, also ffmpeg is useful. On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:31:49 -0700 Johnson David wrote: > On Wednesday 20 August 2003 01:10 pm, Erich Zigler wrote: > > > Primarily it has to do with encoding video, I do a lot of video work. > > (It's my hobby) and must be able to encode video to DVD specs and > > burn DVD's. I can handle the video extraction from the cameras easily > > enough. > > You can burn to DVD's under FreeBSD easily enough (either burncd or > dvd+rw-tools). The video encoding is going to be much more difficult. > There are a few ports that are related, but I have no idea how useful > they are. Check under the multimedia ports for some ideas. > > David > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 21 04:45:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35DA16A4BF for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 04:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C4F8443F93 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 04:45:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from krylon@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 29036 invoked by uid 65534); 21 Aug 2003 11:45:04 -0000 Received: from B6514.pppool.de (HELO there) (213.7.101.20) by mail.gmx.net (mp003) with SMTP; 21 Aug 2003 13:45:04 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Benjamin Walkenhorst To: Johnson David , rama@ukfsn.org Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:59:14 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <1061379040.1442.1.camel@Tarcil> <3F43B393.3010609@ukfsn.org> <200308201201.02024.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> In-Reply-To: <200308201201.02024.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20030821114505.C4F8443F93@mx1.FreeBSD.org> cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Loving the FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:45:07 -0000 On Mittwoch, 20. August 2003 21:01 Johnson David wrote: > On Wednesday 20 August 2003 10:44 am, Ramanan Selvaratnam wrote: > > >Installing FreeBSD 5.1: about ten minutes, with zero reboots. > > > Versus. > > > > To be fair and clear -- With a GUI 'desktop' environment and all in > > ten minutes? Well, in my experience (my machine: PentiumIII 450), this won't do. But installation *is* amazingly quick, if you know what you are doing. (Having installed GNU/Linux, both SuSE and Debian, quite some times before, seems to help, however... Experience makes you strong!) > To be fair, I didn't install KDE or GNOME at that time. But I did > install XFree86 and Windowmaker. This is still pretty damned fast, so > how is it possible? Simple. The system is a 2.8GHz P4, installing from > DVD drive onto Serial ATA harddrive (UDMA150). Well, I like both KDE and GNOME for the applications. For desktop, I prefer Windowmaker, too: It's not ugly, it's pretty performant, and - due to dockapps - pretty pretty... =) However, performance-wise, my machine can't compare... ;-/ > > Important -- you missed the important comparision about the system > > respecting the user's freedoms. > > Yes, I forget that. I ran into some major culture shocks when installing > and using WinXP. Product activation? License agreements for *drivers*? > Some of the "privacy" options while installing Media Player were > absolutely bizarre! And don't even get me started on DVD regions. Well, these were among the reasons for me to leave windows. Since they released Windows 95, Microsoft became greedier and greedier... Especially the privacy issues bother me nowadays. Even with a firewall in between, I won't connect to the internet using Windows, *ever* again... Not using my own computer, that is... > I have absolutely no problems with paying for software. Heck, I'm on a > FreeBSD subscription, and it's free beer! But this shareware mentality > in Windows land is twisted. Either these guys have delusional ideas > about the quality of their software, or they're completely reprobate. > > David > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Benjamin Walkenhorst eMail: krylon@gmx.net homepage: http://www.krylon.de From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 21 05:34:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FEA16A4BF for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 05:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ukpost.com (ns0.ukpost.com [217.158.120.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1115243F85 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 05:34:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rama@ukfsn.org) Received: from mail.ukfsn.org (pop3.ukfsn.org [217.158.120.143]) by mail.ukpost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D80D1F8017; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:32:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from ukfsn.org (unknown [81.5.144.97]) by mail.ukfsn.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8080E6A7D; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:29:37 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3F44BC60.20804@ukfsn.org> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:34:40 +0100 From: Ramanan Selvaratnam User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benjamin Walkenhorst References: <1061379040.1442.1.camel@Tarcil> <3F43B393.3010609@ukfsn.org> <200308201201.02024.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <20030821113951.080B9E6A7D@mail.ukfsn.org> In-Reply-To: <20030821113951.080B9E6A7D@mail.ukfsn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Johnson David cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Loving the FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: rama@ukfsn.org List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:34:55 -0000 Benjamin Walkenhorst wrote: > > >>>Important -- you missed the important comparision about the system >>>respecting the user's freedoms. >>> >>> >>Yes, I forget that. I ran into some major culture shocks when installing >>and using WinXP. Product activation? License agreements for *drivers*? >>Some of the "privacy" options while installing Media Player were >>absolutely bizarre! And don't even get me started on DVD regions. >> >> > >Well, these were among the reasons for me to leave windows. Since they >released Windows 95, Microsoft became greedier and greedier... >Especially the privacy issues bother me nowadays. Even with a firewall in >between, I won't connect to the internet using Windows, *ever* again... Not >using my own computer, that is... > > > Not sure whether trusting a company that has been criminally convicted in the US as untrustworthy with privacy is the biggest freedom denied through the way Microsoft develops and maintains software .... IMHO the freedom related to software and abuse of this is a far wider issue important at every level. Personally I see privacy as less of an issue than equal opportunity to human heritage which is another freedom clearly abused. eg: I can pass on a FreeBSD CD to another in need without fearing the laws. Regards, Ramanan From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 23 01:52:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A20E16A571 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 01:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (ms-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751524464E for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 01:32:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@unixpages.org) Received: from r220-1 (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HK200DAYCH8UU@ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de> for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:19:57 +0200 (MEST) Received: from relay.RWTH-Aachen.DE ([134.130.3.1]) by r220-1 (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:19:56 +0200 (MEST) Received: from haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (daemon@haakonia.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.92]) h7N8JuaW000426 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:19:56 +0200 (MEST) Received: from gondor.middleearth (gondor.middleearth [192.168.1.42]) by haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB9729 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 08:19:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: by gondor.middleearth (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6846D4619; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:19:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:19:54 +0200 From: Christian Brueffer To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-id: <20030823081954.GC11296@unixpages.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary=ALfTUftag+2gvp1h; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT X-PGP-Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D Subject: Demonstration against software patents X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 08:52:48 -0000 --ALfTUftag+2gvp1h Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, this isn't really about FreeBSD advocacy, but I'll post it anyway :-) Next wednesday (August 27th), there'll be a demonstration against software patents in Brussels, Belgium. To learn more about the demonstration, software patents and when the European Parliament will vote about this stuff, see: http://wiki.ael.be/index.php/BigDemo27aug I'll be there. If someone wants to join me, that would be nice :-) - Christian --=20 Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D --ALfTUftag+2gvp1h Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/RyOqbHYXjKDtmC0RAtHCAJ4rrd7BizX2LPYQTuAMlgrGvejqiwCfSBNc zB9MwvrDt9h2jdkUOYZu6MM= =3HbM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ALfTUftag+2gvp1h-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 23 08:48:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D5516A4BF for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 08:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0091D43FEA for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 08:48:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from krylon@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 10769 invoked by uid 65534); 23 Aug 2003 15:48:23 -0000 Received: from Ba982.pppool.de (HELO there) (213.7.169.130) by mail.gmx.net (mp006) with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 17:48:23 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Benjamin Walkenhorst To: rama@ukfsn.org Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:41:51 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <1061379040.1442.1.camel@Tarcil> <20030821113951.080B9E6A7D@mail.ukfsn.org> <3F44BC60.20804@ukfsn.org> In-Reply-To: <3F44BC60.20804@ukfsn.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20030823154826.0091D43FEA@mx1.FreeBSD.org> cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Loving the FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:48:27 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Ramanan, On Donnerstag, 21. August 2003 14:34 Ramanan Selvaratnam wrote: > Not sure whether trusting a company that has been criminally convicted > in the US as untrustworthy with privacy is the biggest freedom denied > through the way Microsoft develops and maintains software .... Well, of course it's not only the privacy issue. But privacy is important nowadays, and Windows is doubly risky in that aspect, because a) Microsoft has not exactly a reputation for producing bug-free software; there's lots of security holes for attackers to exploit. And b) Microsoft also happens to be a bunch of greedy bastards that take every opportunity to take a close look at your private data. Just think of MediaPlayer. A friend of mine once caught defrag sending a packet to a microsoft-server containing something like an "ls -lR /" of his local harddrives (or so he told me) while setting up a firewall. I use my computer for e.g. writing my diary; I certainly do not want anybody to read my diary. > IMHO the freedom related to software and abuse of this is a far wider > issue important at every level. > Personally I see privacy as less of an issue than equal opportunity to > human heritage which is another freedom clearly abused. Of course you're right; and Microsoft's behaviour is much more repulsive than the quality of their products. Thus I'm twice as glad to be free of their monopoly. For whatever reason one prefers free software over microsft's - freedom, stability, security - it's a good choice in every respect. And it's free - what a deal! =) > eg: I can pass on a FreeBSD CD to another in need without fearing the laws. On the other hand there's plenty of windows-users who don't own legitimate copies as well. They have to go through some trouble with license keys, though. I can't remember the last time I had to enter a license key... And it's certainly something I'm glad to be rid of. ;-) > Regards, > > Ramanan Regards, Benjamin - -- Benjamin Walkenhorst eMail: krylon@gmx.net homepage: http://www.krylon.de -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Public Key available at http://www.krylon.de iD8DBQE/R4tEoYumWdMvhMQRAgFAAJ9rw48d1zl8JIhjOu/UnurhbJ4G9QCdE6/o U8tQgtOuibMN3p/bcsjUsys= =A2eB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----